WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-04 at 12:04:18 1 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:33.420 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety 2 00:00:33.420 --> 00:00:36.719 the only Doctor Who podcast whose hedgerows are all but extinct 3 00:00:36.719 --> 00:00:39.179 except for Todd, and we're going to hold him down and shave his 4 00:00:39.179 --> 00:00:39.479 head later. 5 00:00:39.539 --> 00:00:40.140 I'm Brendan. 6 00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:40.859 I'm Nathan. 7 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:41.700 I'm Todd. 8 00:00:41.759 --> 00:00:46.799 And we are not visiting Q Gardens as promised as we meet Catomara 9 00:00:46.799 --> 00:00:48.000 in Mark of the Rani. 10 00:01:06.900 --> 00:01:10.920 Tony, this is the first script with a series for Pip and Jane 11 00:01:10.920 --> 00:01:12.180 Baker, and I'm just gonna say this. 12 00:01:12.239 --> 00:01:15.359 If this was the only thing that they wrote, I think they'd be held 13 00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:16.319 in much better regard. 14 00:01:16.319 --> 00:01:21.239 I think they're even worse at writing dialogue than Eric Sale, it 15 00:01:21.239 --> 00:01:21.420 is. 16 00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:23.280 You're probably right. 17 00:01:23.579 --> 00:01:29.819 They use all of these really just strange bits of vocabulary. 18 00:01:29.939 --> 00:01:34.260 There's lines like fortuitous would be a more appetite, epithet 19 00:01:34.260 --> 00:01:36.599 and... 20 00:01:36.599 --> 00:01:37.620 And how's that for style? 21 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:38.879 Terrible. 22 00:01:38.939 --> 00:01:40.980 No one talks like that at all. 23 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:44.700 And George Stevenson, who's a big character in episode 2, is 24 00:01:44.700 --> 00:01:49.319 lumbered with this sort of horrific kind of dialect, and he does 25 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:51.719 this immensely irritating accent. 26 00:01:51.780 --> 00:01:53.640 And so that's a bit of a problem. 27 00:01:53.700 --> 00:01:58.319 They do have a tin ear for dialogue and a tendency to reach for 28 00:01:58.319 --> 00:02:02.219 words that no one would actually use, but they're not unique in 29 00:02:02.219 --> 00:02:03.359 that in this era. 30 00:02:03.420 --> 00:02:09.780 There's a sort of simplicity to the plot and a kind of naivety to 31 00:02:09.780 --> 00:02:13.199 it, which is actually a little bit of a relief. 32 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:17.400 For the last few years, we've had plots which are sometimes 33 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:18.780 needlessly complex. 34 00:02:18.840 --> 00:02:20.819 Like if you look at terminus. 35 00:02:20.879 --> 00:02:22.740 Terminus has 2 really good ideas in it. 36 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:28.379 But their execution is just so muddy and unclear that you finish 37 00:02:28.379 --> 00:02:30.479 episode 4 and you're not quite sure what you've just watched. 38 00:02:30.900 --> 00:02:33.120 Mark of the Brani. 39 00:02:33.180 --> 00:02:35.520 We have a Time Lord scientist. 40 00:02:35.580 --> 00:02:40.560 The Rani played magnificently by Kate Tamara, and we will gush all 41 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:41.340 over her later. 42 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:46.080 And she has come to earth to get a brain chemical for a race of 43 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:49.199 aliens, she rules, and the doctor has to stop her. 44 00:02:49.319 --> 00:02:50.099 That's the plot. 45 00:02:50.219 --> 00:02:54.479 Anthony only is thrown in because he signed a new contract and has 46 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:55.919 to appear at some point this year. 47 00:02:55.979 --> 00:02:58.379 So he's tacked into this script. 48 00:02:58.439 --> 00:03:00.120 Is that really why he's there? 49 00:03:00.180 --> 00:03:00.780 Yeah. 50 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:04.379 He wasn't part of the original pitch, but Pip and Jane were asked 51 00:03:04.379 --> 00:03:06.539 to include him before they started writing the script. 52 00:03:06.599 --> 00:03:07.139 Okay. 53 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:11.520 Yes, but the original approach was the fact that the doctor has a 54 00:03:11.520 --> 00:03:13.919 companion, so the master would have a companion. 55 00:03:13.979 --> 00:03:16.319 That's the original approach they were going with. 56 00:03:16.379 --> 00:03:20.699 But of course, then as they began to write it, then this sort of 57 00:03:20.699 --> 00:03:23.939 took over and then they thought, oh, somebody like Kate Tamara 58 00:03:23.939 --> 00:03:24.419 could play it. 59 00:03:24.479 --> 00:03:27.599 And of course, then they went back to JNT, of course, who was 60 00:03:27.599 --> 00:03:31.199 going, you know, wow, yes, of course, of course, because he likes 61 00:03:31.199 --> 00:03:31.979 these guest stars. 62 00:03:32.039 --> 00:03:35.039 So that was then pushed as the way to go. 63 00:03:35.159 --> 00:03:36.900 The masters pushed very much into the background. 64 00:03:37.379 --> 00:03:43.020 Last week, we had, I think, the only Colin Baker story that isn't 65 00:03:43.020 --> 00:03:46.319 steeped in continuity, right? 66 00:03:46.379 --> 00:03:46.979 The only one. 67 00:03:47.039 --> 00:03:53.159 So this week we've now got the master and the Rani, both Timelords 68 00:03:53.159 --> 00:03:58.139 you know, um, which as a child, that was rather delicious, really. 69 00:03:58.199 --> 00:03:58.740 Yes, yes. 70 00:03:58.800 --> 00:03:59.759 I really like that fact. 71 00:03:59.819 --> 00:04:02.759 But, you know, the master is shoehorned into this and he's, you 72 00:04:02.759 --> 00:04:05.699 know, Anthony Amy isn't even on location for the 1st bit where 73 00:04:05.699 --> 00:04:09.360 there's this scarecrow that's doing those, those laughs, and it's 74 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:11.460 only, you know, he's on location for the next bit when he throws 75 00:04:11.460 --> 00:04:12.000 the straw down. 76 00:04:12.060 --> 00:04:14.639 Look, I don't mind this story, right? 77 00:04:14.699 --> 00:04:18.420 But the master's just like walking around going, do you want some 78 00:04:18.420 --> 00:04:22.980 of my sweet meat, you know, basically, that's all he has to do. 79 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:25.019 He kills a dog. 80 00:04:25.079 --> 00:04:26.339 Oh, of course, and that happens too. 81 00:04:26.459 --> 00:04:29.459 That is that is really quite unpleasant. 82 00:04:29.519 --> 00:04:32.160 It's much worse than destroying Tracan, I think. 83 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:33.720 Much, much worse. 84 00:04:33.779 --> 00:04:36.600 I mean, even though he is shoehorned in. 85 00:04:36.660 --> 00:04:40.920 What I quite like about the master in this story is he actually 86 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:42.779 has a clarity of plan. 87 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:45.540 His plan is to kill the doctor. 88 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:50.040 So he has lured the doctor here, and then he's discovered the 89 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:50.819 Rani's. 90 00:04:50.879 --> 00:04:52.560 So he ropes her into his plan. 91 00:04:52.620 --> 00:04:54.300 She doesn't want to do any of that. 92 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:56.459 Oh God, why are you involving me in this? 93 00:04:56.519 --> 00:05:00.420 But at least for once, the master's like, I've got one purpose and 94 00:05:00.420 --> 00:05:01.079 I'm going to do it. 95 00:05:01.139 --> 00:05:03.720 I'm going to chuck the Tartars down that pit and then I'm going to 96 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:04.680 chuck the doctor down after it. 97 00:05:05.399 --> 00:05:07.860 He's so incompetent, isn't he? 98 00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:10.860 I mean, really, it all goes horribly wrong, but not a very 99 00:05:10.860 --> 00:05:12.600 inventive or original plan. 100 00:05:12.660 --> 00:05:15.300 There's not really that much going for it from a sort of 101 00:05:15.300 --> 00:05:16.680 entertainment standpoint. 102 00:05:16.740 --> 00:05:20.939 And as usual, he doesn't manage to bring it off in any way. 103 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:23.100 And it is a problem with the master, isn't it? 104 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:26.939 That all he does is want to kill the doctor and not succeed. 105 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:30.959 And that's really why bringing him back every year is a mistake 106 00:05:30.959 --> 00:05:34.560 because the more frequently he appears, the more incompetent he 107 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:34.920 seems. 108 00:05:34.980 --> 00:05:40.439 He had a bad year in 1971 where like a run of, you know, 6 plans 109 00:05:40.439 --> 00:05:43.500 all went belly up one after another. 110 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:45.660 Wedding can possibly go wrong. 111 00:05:45.720 --> 00:05:50.279 We don't even get like any sort of explanation as to his 112 00:05:50.279 --> 00:05:50.819 survival. 113 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:52.620 Like, it's just like, I'm indestructible. 114 00:05:52.680 --> 00:05:55.800 It's just brushed over from the last time it was burning in the 115 00:05:55.800 --> 00:05:57.300 flames of the planet of fire. 116 00:05:57.360 --> 00:06:00.360 I was a bit disappointed by that at the time because I had thought 117 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:03.779 that they'd killed the master off and that that was kind of a way 118 00:06:03.779 --> 00:06:06.000 of kind of winding up pizza era. 119 00:06:06.060 --> 00:06:08.879 And I was a little bit disappointed to see him back. 120 00:06:08.939 --> 00:06:13.019 In a way, it's kind of a pity that JNT, a bit like we've been 121 00:06:13.019 --> 00:06:15.959 discussing this in Bondfinger, cubby broccoli, sort of held onto 122 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:19.980 actors, possibly for longer than he should have because they were 123 00:06:19.980 --> 00:06:20.459 having fun. 124 00:06:20.519 --> 00:06:25.620 If they had had, with the scarecrow, he removes his mask. 125 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:26.579 You don't recognise him. 126 00:06:26.639 --> 00:06:29.939 You don't know who he is and then the episode one reveal is, I 127 00:06:29.939 --> 00:06:30.660 regenerated. 128 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:32.819 I'm the master and it's a new actor. 129 00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:37.019 That would add some interest to the character in this story. 130 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:38.399 As it is. 131 00:06:38.459 --> 00:06:41.279 It reminds me a bit of spy versus spy. 132 00:06:41.339 --> 00:06:45.480 Because in mad magazines, spy versus spy, you got the black spy 133 00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:49.019 you got the white spy, you got the black spy wins, some kind Symes 134 00:06:49.019 --> 00:06:49.860 the white spy wins. 135 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:54.600 Very shortly after it debuted, they occasionally had a gray spy 136 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:58.199 who was a lady who would constantly get it over both of them when 137 00:06:58.199 --> 00:06:58.860 she appeared. 138 00:06:58.920 --> 00:07:00.600 And that's the thing. 139 00:07:00.660 --> 00:07:04.439 The Rani comes into the story and she's constantly critiquing the 140 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:09.600 master doctor conflict as I am not interested in any of this 141 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:10.439 crap. 142 00:07:10.500 --> 00:07:12.420 Get me out of here and get me my own show. 143 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:15.540 And I mean, she's right about the monster too. 144 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:17.339 Everything she says about the master is correct. 145 00:07:17.459 --> 00:07:18.779 He's devious. 146 00:07:18.839 --> 00:07:21.839 You know, this obsession with killing the doctor is stupid, you 147 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:22.079 know. 148 00:07:22.139 --> 00:07:24.720 And this just becomes the point and maybe we're well after the 149 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:27.899 point where we can take Ainley's master seriously at all. 150 00:07:28.139 --> 00:07:31.500 I still like the fact that both of them are there. 151 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:32.819 Cato Mara. 152 00:07:32.879 --> 00:07:34.139 This is the Rani for me. 153 00:07:34.259 --> 00:07:37.500 Like, I don't like the Rani in a few years time. 154 00:07:37.560 --> 00:07:38.579 This is the one. 155 00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:41.279 I love her in the black, slimming, the hair is down. 156 00:07:41.339 --> 00:07:42.300 The outfit's great. 157 00:07:42.360 --> 00:07:47.639 The TARDIS is phenomenal, and she just delivers the lines. 158 00:07:47.699 --> 00:07:50.759 That one line where Colin is trapped and she's about to head out. 159 00:07:50.759 --> 00:07:54.300 And she says, I'll kill him if he moves, but she says, like, kill 160 00:07:54.300 --> 00:07:57.240 no, kill him if he moves pointing at the other one. 161 00:07:57.300 --> 00:08:00.180 Just the way she delivers that is so delicious. 162 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:04.439 I just adore her in this in 3 years time or whenever she's back. 163 00:08:04.500 --> 00:08:06.899 She has to do all the heavy lifting in that story, but I'm so 164 00:08:06.899 --> 00:08:09.360 disappointed in the character and what is delivered there. 165 00:08:09.420 --> 00:08:11.879 This, I just want her back like next week. 166 00:08:11.939 --> 00:08:13.079 Forget about the master. 167 00:08:13.139 --> 00:08:15.540 She is phenomenal. 168 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:16.800 And she gets that wonderful line. 169 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:21.660 Josh Tom Kill, which, as a child, we used to play Dr. Charades and 170 00:08:21.660 --> 00:08:24.899 somebody once came up with a quotable code and it was Josh Tom 171 00:08:24.899 --> 00:08:26.939 Kill and I had no idea where it was from. 172 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:28.139 But of course, it's from this story. 173 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:30.180 So every time I see it, it's got Dosh Trom Kill. 174 00:08:30.899 --> 00:08:33.179 And Josh is hot. 175 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:34.440 Yeah, is. 176 00:08:34.500 --> 00:08:37.019 Yeah, he's actually, he's almost as hot as Luke. 177 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:41.039 Yeah, Luke is sort of ridiculously pretty, isn't he? 178 00:08:41.100 --> 00:08:42.059 And he still is. 179 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:45.360 Like, if you look at him on the making of, he's like friend of the 180 00:08:45.360 --> 00:08:47.580 podcast, Peter Griffiths. just got a portrait somewhere. 181 00:08:48.419 --> 00:08:52.799 He is so fit and so pretty, but of course, the moment it says like 182 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:54.120 he's going to outdo Stevenson. 183 00:08:54.179 --> 00:08:55.919 You just sit there going, Mm-hmm. 184 00:08:55.980 --> 00:08:57.659 Yeah, I thought that too. 185 00:08:57.720 --> 00:08:59.820 That is kind of foreshadowing because there is this sort of 186 00:08:59.820 --> 00:09:00.000 thing. 187 00:09:00.059 --> 00:09:02.340 Well, wait, we don't know anything about Luke Ward from the 188 00:09:02.340 --> 00:09:05.460 history book, so we must be about to be killed. 189 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:09.179 I do like the fact that they do set this in the past with an 190 00:09:09.179 --> 00:09:10.679 historical figure sort of somewhere in the background. 191 00:09:10.740 --> 00:09:14.700 I think in terms of world building that Pip and Jane Baker are 192 00:09:14.700 --> 00:09:15.539 going to give us later on. 193 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:18.659 I much prefer this to the sci-fi things. 194 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:20.940 And the fact that you can film it outside. 195 00:09:21.059 --> 00:09:24.960 You know, Sarah Hillings, the director, goes to that one location 196 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:27.899 and the other bonus was the fact that, I know some other 197 00:09:27.899 --> 00:09:30.899 production had booked another outside broadcast unit, but they 198 00:09:30.899 --> 00:09:33.299 weren't needed or there was some problem in the BBC. 199 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:36.720 There was this whole crew that had been booked and paid for, and 200 00:09:36.720 --> 00:09:40.320 nobody could use them, or they said, well, who can use this crew? 201 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:41.700 Because they're not getting used for anything. 202 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:42.299 It was a mistake. 203 00:09:42.360 --> 00:09:45.179 And of course, John Nathan Turner put up his hand, which is why we 204 00:09:45.179 --> 00:09:48.059 get those big crane shots and that sort of thing at the beginning 205 00:09:48.059 --> 00:09:50.700 and all that sort of thing and various scenes that were supposed 206 00:09:50.700 --> 00:09:54.480 to be indoors, then got set outside, which I'm really glad about 207 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:58.500 because I really do like the use of a location in this is another 208 00:09:58.500 --> 00:09:59.340 element to the story. 209 00:09:59.399 --> 00:10:02.940 In fact, I'm not sure the studios are all that successful. 210 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:07.500 And I'm not sure that Sarah Hellings is that great with some 211 00:10:07.500 --> 00:10:08.220 elements. 212 00:10:08.279 --> 00:10:09.960 Like she can't do the action very well. 213 00:10:10.019 --> 00:10:12.240 I think the fights are all very limp. 214 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:17.039 And the sets are a little bit kind of underlit and stuff, but the 215 00:10:17.039 --> 00:10:18.539 stuff outdoors is wonderful. 216 00:10:18.539 --> 00:10:22.139 And it's sunny, you know, which is really nice. 217 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:25.500 And like everyone else, I hate Collins coat. 218 00:10:25.559 --> 00:10:30.960 But there's something actually nice about how colourful it is on 219 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:33.960 film when there's green and blue in the background. 220 00:10:34.320 --> 00:10:36.659 How funny you say that, Nathan? 221 00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:39.840 this is the one story where I think the coat is totally wrong. 222 00:10:40.080 --> 00:10:45.480 And it's because it's up against coats, like, you know, it was 223 00:10:45.480 --> 00:10:48.720 based on designs that were 18th century or 19th century and here 224 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:49.919 it's up against similar things. 225 00:10:49.919 --> 00:10:51.419 And so it looks like a costume. 226 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:53.159 I love it when he gets out of it. 227 00:10:53.220 --> 00:10:57.240 The only costume that's worse is Peris. 228 00:10:57.299 --> 00:11:02.700 Oh, which is just the most hideous upside down tulip thing ever. 229 00:11:02.759 --> 00:11:07.620 Like it's just, I mean, I think I think the previous 2 weeks of 230 00:11:07.620 --> 00:11:13.440 our pink and blue vibrant leotard with shorts aren't great, but I 231 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:15.419 think this is just horrendous. 232 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:19.019 The pink heels and the pink stockings are awful. 233 00:11:19.080 --> 00:11:23.460 When she takes that jacket off, it's a bit less offensive and 234 00:11:23.460 --> 00:11:26.279 she's got good hair, but it's really awful. 235 00:11:26.340 --> 00:11:31.500 One of the things that I really like is the fact that in the big 236 00:11:31.500 --> 00:11:34.500 finish audios, the doctor changes his coat to a blue version 237 00:11:34.500 --> 00:11:37.080 there's actually a little gift image out there, somebody's 238 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:41.399 actually recolorized the doctor's coat and hers from this story 239 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:44.820 out there on the internet, so it's all toned down and it actually 240 00:11:44.820 --> 00:11:47.639 looks really good, but this is the one story where the doctor's 241 00:11:47.639 --> 00:11:49.919 actually on an earth location for this doctor, which doesn't 242 00:11:49.919 --> 00:11:50.580 happen very often. 243 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:54.120 And I just think the coat, the 1st time ever I'm saying it just 244 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:55.740 doesn't work. 245 00:11:55.799 --> 00:11:57.779 I think that that's why it's a mistake. 246 00:11:57.840 --> 00:12:01.200 Yeah, a big problem with the coat, not the problem because there 247 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:02.340 are lots of problems with the coat. 248 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:05.460 This is something I've thought about mentioning for a few episodes 249 00:12:05.460 --> 00:12:06.960 but I think it fits very well here. 250 00:12:07.740 --> 00:12:11.580 Pat Godfrey, of course, designed the coach in desperation because 251 00:12:11.580 --> 00:12:15.600 all of her designs were being turned down because she knew how to 252 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:18.360 do her job and wasn't used to designing something terrible. 253 00:12:18.539 --> 00:12:23.159 But something Pat Godfrey has said in later, interviews, something 254 00:12:23.159 --> 00:12:27.779 she didn't take into account was that in terms of design, in set 255 00:12:27.779 --> 00:12:32.700 design and in costume design, you have to imagine colour on a 256 00:12:32.700 --> 00:12:37.320 scale from one to 100 in terms of your saturation of colour. 257 00:12:37.500 --> 00:12:42.059 And she said on television, with lenses the way they were then, and 258 00:12:42.059 --> 00:12:45.059 the way video captured the colour. 259 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:47.159 You had a range of 30. 260 00:12:47.159 --> 00:12:50.580 So everything had to be designed within that colour. 261 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:53.220 If not, it just looked drab and dull and flat. 262 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:58.500 And she said, the problem with Collins costume is it is so bright 263 00:12:58.500 --> 00:13:01.799 and especially the lapels, the front on bit are so bright. 264 00:13:01.860 --> 00:13:03.840 So everything either needs to be within that 30. 265 00:13:04.080 --> 00:13:07.740 So everything needs to be bright to that extent or it needs to be 266 00:13:07.740 --> 00:13:08.580 drab and dull. 267 00:13:08.639 --> 00:13:10.740 Now, in attack of the cybermen. 268 00:13:10.799 --> 00:13:14.100 You've got the external locations, you can't do much about the 269 00:13:14.100 --> 00:13:14.940 colour with that. 270 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:18.779 But when you get to Tellos, everything's sort of black or ice blue 271 00:13:18.779 --> 00:13:22.139 and it looks really nice and it works really well, but everything 272 00:13:22.139 --> 00:13:26.340 is that ice blue colour, the cryons of that ice blue colour or 273 00:13:26.340 --> 00:13:29.220 people are wearing black or people are wearing silver. 274 00:13:29.279 --> 00:13:32.879 Perry's as bright as the doctor, you know, so that ties them 275 00:13:32.879 --> 00:13:33.779 together visually. 276 00:13:33.779 --> 00:13:35.460 In Varos, all the sets are brown. 277 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:39.059 So instead of being bright, they're all really dark and really 278 00:13:39.059 --> 00:13:39.720 murky. 279 00:13:39.779 --> 00:13:42.240 And in this again, you were saying Nathan earlier. 280 00:13:42.299 --> 00:13:45.120 The studio sessions don't quite work for you. 281 00:13:45.179 --> 00:13:48.659 Yeah, all the walls are dull and brown, which is of the period. 282 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:53.519 But at the same time, you look at other period dramas, and 283 00:13:53.519 --> 00:13:56.399 especially period dramas not set in cities, period dramas set in 284 00:13:56.399 --> 00:13:58.860 regional locations like when the boat comes in and the palaces. 285 00:13:58.919 --> 00:14:02.820 Things are bright. things are colourful, but they can't have 286 00:14:02.820 --> 00:14:07.679 things appropriately colourful in this because they weren't as 287 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:09.240 bright as Colin's coat. 288 00:14:09.299 --> 00:14:12.720 So instead of having sort of any colour, they have to bring 289 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:14.100 everything down to browns and greys. 290 00:14:14.159 --> 00:14:16.620 See, I think that that's what I'm noticing in that location 291 00:14:16.620 --> 00:14:17.279 thing. 292 00:14:17.340 --> 00:14:19.740 When we're on film, we don't have quite the same problems as 293 00:14:19.740 --> 00:14:20.580 videotape. 294 00:14:20.580 --> 00:14:25.259 And the bright colours are against bright green, bright blue sky. 295 00:14:25.320 --> 00:14:28.379 And so, you know, like I'm not saying the costume looks pleasing 296 00:14:28.379 --> 00:14:32.399 or convincing, but it's colourful and it kind of works in that 297 00:14:32.399 --> 00:14:32.879 context. 298 00:14:32.940 --> 00:14:35.879 But yeah, from a point of view of realism, like why the hell is 299 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:39.539 anyone interacting with him at all rather than going, what the 300 00:14:39.539 --> 00:14:40.259 hell are you wearing? 301 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:42.000 you know, whenever they 1st meet him. 302 00:14:42.059 --> 00:14:46.200 And I think that that's why Collins is the only doctor to never 303 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:49.080 really go to a contemporary earth setting and interact with normal 304 00:14:49.080 --> 00:14:49.379 people. 305 00:14:49.440 --> 00:14:50.759 That is correct. 306 00:14:50.820 --> 00:14:55.200 The only contemporary earth is attacking Simon one, where they 307 00:14:55.200 --> 00:14:57.779 don't meet really anybody, like one person or whatever. 308 00:14:57.840 --> 00:15:00.899 And then... the 2 doctors. 309 00:15:01.019 --> 00:15:03.840 Okay, the 2 doctors, but he's not wearing that coat. 310 00:15:03.899 --> 00:15:04.919 Is he? 311 00:15:04.980 --> 00:15:07.200 He's wearing the, he's wearing the... 312 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:07.860 That waistcoat. 313 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:09.899 Which I quite like. actually quite works quite well. 314 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:12.179 Look, I quite like this story. 315 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:14.700 Like, I quite like the simplicity in that sort of thing and that 316 00:15:14.700 --> 00:15:15.779 location and that. 317 00:15:15.899 --> 00:15:21.360 My biggest problem is, in fact, the Dr. Perry relationship is 318 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:22.679 particularly in episode one. 319 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:25.259 In the previous 2 stories. 320 00:15:25.320 --> 00:15:27.419 It had their little bit of a bitch, and then they get over it, and 321 00:15:27.419 --> 00:15:28.080 they get on with it. 322 00:15:28.139 --> 00:15:30.240 And then for the most of us, the story, the doctor's concerned 323 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:32.820 about Perry, they have little jokes and, you know, there's a few 324 00:15:32.820 --> 00:15:34.139 little touchy moments, but it's not too bad. 325 00:15:34.200 --> 00:15:37.379 Here, it's just tat dripping. 326 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:39.059 It's just like, she says something. 327 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:39.960 He says something. 328 00:15:40.019 --> 00:15:42.899 She says something, he says something and it just keeps going on 329 00:15:42.899 --> 00:15:43.799 and on and on. 330 00:15:43.860 --> 00:15:45.299 It doesn't there's no big explosion. 331 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:46.679 We get over it, we get on with it. 332 00:15:46.740 --> 00:15:49.679 And I noticed it watching it this time around. 333 00:15:49.740 --> 00:15:51.179 I actually thought it's really grating. 334 00:15:51.240 --> 00:15:53.639 It's better in episode two, right? 335 00:15:53.700 --> 00:15:57.059 After she thinks he's dead and then he comes back and then he 336 00:15:57.059 --> 00:15:59.639 gives us something to do, like to look after the master and the 337 00:15:59.639 --> 00:16:01.860 Rani and, you know, that's much better. 338 00:16:01.919 --> 00:16:05.399 But episode one, for me, is one of the 2 episodes this season that 339 00:16:05.399 --> 00:16:09.120 I, I think the way it's written, I'm not happy with. 340 00:16:09.179 --> 00:16:12.299 I think there's a problem with the way they write Perry. 341 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:13.860 I think they make her incompetent. 342 00:16:13.919 --> 00:16:18.779 And it is something that she gets accused of by some fans, and I 343 00:16:18.779 --> 00:16:24.480 think it's unfortunate because, as I said before, she's often the 344 00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:27.179 victim of mistreatment by men. 345 00:16:27.240 --> 00:16:31.559 You know, even last week, we had Quillem, like seriously invading 346 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:37.440 her bodily autonomy, and that that's a feature that is completely 347 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:39.299 absent, I think, from this story. 348 00:16:39.600 --> 00:16:41.340 And that's nice. 349 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:42.240 That's refreshing. 350 00:16:42.299 --> 00:16:44.940 It's one of the nasty things, you know, we don't have lots of 351 00:16:44.940 --> 00:16:46.440 people attacking one another with guns. 352 00:16:46.500 --> 00:16:49.559 We don't have people slavering over Perry or pushing her around. 353 00:16:49.620 --> 00:16:51.299 But she is incompetent. 354 00:16:51.360 --> 00:16:58.019 So when the doctor's 1st attacked by the Luddites, she stands off 355 00:16:58.019 --> 00:17:01.019 and sort of throws things at them. 356 00:17:01.080 --> 00:17:05.279 The cliffhanger is her fault. 357 00:17:05.519 --> 00:17:07.619 She pushes him the wrong way. 358 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:10.200 And it stands there waving her arms around. 359 00:17:10.259 --> 00:17:12.480 I actually love that sequence. 360 00:17:12.539 --> 00:17:15.359 I just burst out laughing that he's so annoyed and she's so 361 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:18.299 incompetent, but I get a totally socially. 362 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:20.940 I totally get what... 363 00:17:21.299 --> 00:17:25.019 It's completely her fault and she's completely pathetic about it. 364 00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:28.619 And then just when it looks like she's actually doing a good job 365 00:17:28.619 --> 00:17:31.319 you know, and she's actually managed to herd the master and the 366 00:17:31.319 --> 00:17:35.339 Rani down the mines and stuff like that and has been, you know, not 367 00:17:35.339 --> 00:17:37.019 afraid to use the gun and all of that. 368 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:41.099 And then she just falls for that obvious thing from the Rani and 369 00:17:41.099 --> 00:17:42.539 he's knocked unconscious. 370 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:44.519 And I think that's a bit of a shame. 371 00:17:44.579 --> 00:17:48.059 She does get to say all these minds look the same to me. 372 00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:48.900 Brilliant. 373 00:17:48.900 --> 00:17:51.480 Yeah, so, you know, there's that in there. 374 00:17:51.539 --> 00:17:52.980 There's 2 lines from her. 375 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:56.220 I particularly love when she thinks the doctor has taken off in 376 00:17:56.220 --> 00:17:57.240 the Rani's TARDIS. 377 00:17:57.299 --> 00:18:00.119 She says, I have to find him or I'm going to be stuck in these 378 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:01.799 ridiculous skirts forever. 379 00:18:01.799 --> 00:18:04.019 And Lords Ravensworth is just what? 380 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:06.000 And then when the doctor does find it, she's okay. 381 00:18:06.059 --> 00:18:09.539 She just says, I could have been in the 1800s forever. 382 00:18:09.599 --> 00:18:12.000 Not, I'm so glad to see you. 383 00:18:12.119 --> 00:18:13.500 You bastard. 384 00:18:13.559 --> 00:18:18.059 I guess that's the thing, is that usually she'll have a bit of a 385 00:18:18.059 --> 00:18:19.920 spat, but then she'll be quite positive to the doctor. 386 00:18:19.920 --> 00:18:23.279 And so here I find her. she doesn't back down. 387 00:18:23.339 --> 00:18:24.720 She just keeps going on on and on. 388 00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:27.660 And it's just the writing, you know, and he doesn't back down 389 00:18:27.660 --> 00:18:27.960 either. 390 00:18:28.019 --> 00:18:31.799 It's just, see, Colin and Nicola have said, especially Nicola have 391 00:18:31.799 --> 00:18:35.880 said that they saw their relationship as bickering siblings, and I 392 00:18:35.880 --> 00:18:40.380 think that Pip and Jane bring that out the best, and I have no 393 00:18:40.380 --> 00:18:44.519 idea as to their personal life, but possibly because they are a 394 00:18:44.519 --> 00:18:45.359 married couple. 395 00:18:45.420 --> 00:18:47.220 So they would have disagreements in their life. 396 00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:50.759 Oh, the silly trivial things that get blown up out of all 397 00:18:50.759 --> 00:18:51.240 proportion. 398 00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:52.920 I love that last line. 399 00:18:52.980 --> 00:18:53.519 What are you doing there? 400 00:18:53.579 --> 00:18:54.839 Argue mainly. 401 00:18:54.900 --> 00:18:56.700 Yeah, that was quite good. 402 00:18:56.759 --> 00:18:58.619 Actually, I love that. 403 00:18:58.680 --> 00:19:02.279 It always brings a smile to my face that they can acknowledge that 404 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:04.019 you know, yes, that's what we do. 405 00:19:04.079 --> 00:19:07.559 And I do love, and it is a bit unbelievable because of the costume 406 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:10.859 but I do love that the doctor falls in with Lord Ravensworth and 407 00:19:10.859 --> 00:19:14.400 kind of helps out with the local problem and solves the local. 408 00:19:14.460 --> 00:19:16.619 You know, he doesn't just get rid of the master and the Rani, but 409 00:19:16.619 --> 00:19:19.859 he solves the violence problem in the community by getting back 410 00:19:19.859 --> 00:19:23.819 what was stolen and, you know, he becomes a friend to Stevenson. 411 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:27.180 Something a lot of people complain about, which I don't have a 412 00:19:27.180 --> 00:19:28.619 problem with is the tree. 413 00:19:28.680 --> 00:19:33.359 I don't have a problem with the way in which the trees are when 414 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:33.900 they actually happen. 415 00:19:34.019 --> 00:19:36.000 The explosion is fantastic. 416 00:19:36.059 --> 00:19:36.480 Yeah. 417 00:19:36.539 --> 00:19:41.099 The tree for a physical prop without it moving, right, for the 418 00:19:41.099 --> 00:19:45.539 time compared to what we get with CGI, I think is there's more 419 00:19:45.539 --> 00:19:46.319 than one tree, isn't there? 420 00:19:46.380 --> 00:19:47.460 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 421 00:19:47.519 --> 00:19:49.019 Not the loop tree. 422 00:19:49.079 --> 00:19:52.200 The other 2 are much more convincing than the Luke tree. 423 00:19:52.259 --> 00:19:57.420 The actual tree itself and I appreciate the design, but when it 424 00:19:57.420 --> 00:19:58.440 grabs Perry's breast. 425 00:19:58.500 --> 00:20:03.119 When it grabs Perry, I always go, okay, it's 1984. 426 00:20:03.539 --> 00:20:05.220 What are they going to do? 427 00:20:05.279 --> 00:20:08.160 Well, just not write that would be my suggestion. 428 00:20:08.220 --> 00:20:09.599 Okay, but they've written it. 429 00:20:09.660 --> 00:20:10.500 What are they going to do? 430 00:20:10.559 --> 00:20:12.960 And so it's not a deal breaker for me. 431 00:20:13.019 --> 00:20:14.339 But you obviously love it. 432 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:16.079 Well, see, to me as a kid. 433 00:20:16.140 --> 00:20:19.980 This is one I watched when I was 10, I think, the 1st time I 434 00:20:19.980 --> 00:20:20.279 watched it. 435 00:20:20.400 --> 00:20:25.079 And to me, I had the discontinuity guide and I'd read the 436 00:20:25.079 --> 00:20:28.019 discontinuity guide and in the discontinuity guide in the goof 437 00:20:28.019 --> 00:20:28.559 section. 438 00:20:28.619 --> 00:20:30.720 It just says the tree exclamation. 439 00:20:30.779 --> 00:20:33.240 So I had no idea. what it was. 440 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:35.880 And then the 2 trees holding up the doctor exclamation. 441 00:20:35.940 --> 00:20:38.700 So when that happened, I had no idea that Luke grabbed Perry. 442 00:20:38.759 --> 00:20:43.440 As a child, I accepted it, and I accepted, of course, he's still 443 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:47.700 in there, and it's a way to effectively get across that there is a 444 00:20:47.700 --> 00:20:49.380 consciousness in this thing. 445 00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:55.019 And I think it helps that Colin, Nicola and Kate play it for 446 00:20:55.019 --> 00:20:55.619 real. 447 00:20:55.740 --> 00:20:58.920 Like when Perry eventually gets out and gets back to the doctor 448 00:20:58.920 --> 00:21:00.420 and says, you know, we've got to help Luke. 449 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:00.960 Where's Luke? 450 00:21:01.019 --> 00:21:03.000 And the doctor just says, Luke just saved your life. 451 00:21:03.059 --> 00:21:04.980 There's no hint of irony there. 452 00:21:05.039 --> 00:21:08.579 And I think possibly for them on set, they may have looked at this 453 00:21:08.579 --> 00:21:09.299 and gone, really? 454 00:21:09.359 --> 00:21:13.859 Are we doing, but to Collins credit is given some ridiculous stuff 455 00:21:13.859 --> 00:21:18.900 to do over his 2 years, and he never gives anything other than his 456 00:21:18.900 --> 00:21:22.799 most realistic reaction to it, as opposed to Pete, who would 457 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:27.000 obviously, you know, be unenthused if he didn't like a script. 458 00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:30.720 I think there is moments where Collins's reading of certain lines 459 00:21:30.720 --> 00:21:31.200 really. 460 00:21:31.259 --> 00:21:35.519 I think people forget what he's having to deal with and what he 461 00:21:35.519 --> 00:21:36.599 actually does end up selling. 462 00:21:36.599 --> 00:21:39.900 And they look, you know, when he overemphasises things more so in 463 00:21:39.900 --> 00:21:43.140 season 23 than 22, and they're the things that stick in your head 464 00:21:43.140 --> 00:21:43.440 right? 465 00:21:43.500 --> 00:21:48.240 As opposed to these other lines where he has to make gold out of 466 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:53.099 you know, you know, not straw and he'd be lucky to get straw. 467 00:21:53.220 --> 00:21:54.660 You're right, mate. 468 00:21:55.019 --> 00:22:01.019 Yeah, like, I mean, I mean, Nicola has talked about how those 469 00:22:01.019 --> 00:22:04.200 explosions were absolutely terrifying because it was the BBC team 470 00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:07.380 doing it, and of course, it's always, oh, you're right standing 471 00:22:07.380 --> 00:22:08.220 there, you'll be fine. 472 00:22:08.339 --> 00:22:11.279 Of course, the explosions are always 10 times worse than they 473 00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:11.519 say. 474 00:22:11.579 --> 00:22:14.880 Yes, so, um, the fake cliffhangers. 475 00:22:14.940 --> 00:22:20.640 So, episode one ends with the master saying he's indestructible 476 00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:22.859 everyone should know that when he 1st meets the Rani. 477 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:24.119 Is that the end of episode? 478 00:22:24.180 --> 00:22:25.319 Actually, no, I tell a lie. 479 00:22:25.380 --> 00:22:26.339 At the end of the episode? 480 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:27.839 Is the Rani's reply? 481 00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:28.559 Is that so? 482 00:22:29.099 --> 00:22:30.960 It's a little bit forgettable. 483 00:22:31.019 --> 00:22:31.980 Yeah. 484 00:22:32.039 --> 00:22:33.180 Well, that's okay. 485 00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:34.619 Is that so I think that's quite funny. 486 00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:37.200 I'm going to have to go back and have a look at that again. 487 00:22:37.259 --> 00:22:42.420 The Cliffhanger episode 3 is when the doctor starts to suspect 488 00:22:42.420 --> 00:22:45.240 that Luke may be under the influence of Master, dashes out of the 489 00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:49.079 office, and Lord Ravensworth utters the chilling line, where's he 490 00:22:49.079 --> 00:22:49.619 off to now? 491 00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:56.579 I think the big problem here is that everything's just a little 492 00:22:56.579 --> 00:23:00.900 bit inconsequential and everything's just a kind of little bit 493 00:23:00.900 --> 00:23:02.880 routine and formulaic. 494 00:23:02.940 --> 00:23:06.660 You know, there's like, there's gas, mustard gas, and they have to 495 00:23:06.660 --> 00:23:08.579 put gas masks on, and then that stops. 496 00:23:08.700 --> 00:23:12.180 You know, they're attacked by people and then the people go away. 497 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:16.500 There's nothing really very inventive here. 498 00:23:16.559 --> 00:23:20.640 And I think that's a problem with their stuff next year and the 499 00:23:20.640 --> 00:23:21.779 year after too. 500 00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:26.160 Like I don't mind terror of the vervoids, but it's pitched kind of 501 00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:29.519 at 10 year olds and it's all been done before. 502 00:23:29.579 --> 00:23:32.819 And I think it's true of Mark of the Rani as well. 503 00:23:32.940 --> 00:23:34.440 I think you've got a great location. 504 00:23:34.500 --> 00:23:39.119 I think you've got a great guest star in Katomara, who I've now 505 00:23:39.119 --> 00:23:41.940 decided Knox, Martin, Jarvis off his purge. 506 00:23:42.180 --> 00:23:46.740 But it's all just a little bit uninventive. 507 00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:50.220 What do you think about the doctor being able to get into the 508 00:23:50.220 --> 00:23:52.680 Rani's TARDIS with his TARDIS key? 509 00:23:52.740 --> 00:23:53.160 Is that right? 510 00:23:53.220 --> 00:23:55.319 I think it's a nice bit of myth horse building. 511 00:23:55.380 --> 00:23:58.019 And I think it's a deliberate conscious moment. 512 00:23:58.079 --> 00:24:00.599 Perry comments on it, but that's the TARDIS key and the doctor 513 00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:01.559 just kind of smiles. 514 00:24:01.619 --> 00:24:05.640 We've already been told in previous stories that Time Lords, in a 515 00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:06.900 way, have the same mind. 516 00:24:06.900 --> 00:24:10.319 Or, you know, maybe the doctors made spiritual modifications to 517 00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:12.240 his key in case he ever runs into the master again. 518 00:24:12.299 --> 00:24:15.660 I think it's a cheat, but at least we're spared a long explanation 519 00:24:15.660 --> 00:24:15.900 of it. 520 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:19.980 Yeah, it... like what Russell T. Davis always said. 521 00:24:20.039 --> 00:24:23.400 You want a villain or a problem to get in the doctor's way. 522 00:24:23.460 --> 00:24:26.400 You don't want a door to hold up the plot for 25 minutes. 523 00:24:26.460 --> 00:24:30.779 Maybe she could have just left the door open like the doctor did 524 00:24:30.779 --> 00:24:32.339 in the Tank of the Cyberman. 525 00:24:33.420 --> 00:24:35.759 Colin's performance in this. 526 00:24:35.819 --> 00:24:39.059 I think this is the 4 story filmed for the year, right? 527 00:24:39.180 --> 00:24:40.859 was filmed after the shoot doctors. 528 00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:43.440 For me, there's a different energy here. 529 00:24:43.500 --> 00:24:47.700 Whether it's he's more comfortable in the role now, not aiming to 530 00:24:47.700 --> 00:24:48.059 prove it. 531 00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:50.039 So there is a slight change. 532 00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:54.599 Gary Russell, as commented, this is one of his favourite 533 00:24:54.599 --> 00:24:59.819 performances of Colin, because of his interactions with Cato Mar 534 00:24:59.819 --> 00:25:03.119 and their history being in the brothers, and there's this obvious 535 00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:03.720 rapport. 536 00:25:03.839 --> 00:25:04.259 Right. 537 00:25:04.319 --> 00:25:07.920 Well, I think the wonderful thing about Colin is in this. 538 00:25:07.980 --> 00:25:12.000 He gets moments with all the other principal speaking cast, so he 539 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:15.599 gets moments, even with Luke, Lord Ravensworth, George Stevenson. 540 00:25:15.660 --> 00:25:20.700 He has a beautiful scene with Anthony Ainley when the Rani is 541 00:25:20.700 --> 00:25:24.059 leading Perry out of the dell, and the doctor says to the master 542 00:25:24.059 --> 00:25:26.880 you know, I think you'd make a laburnum tree, and the master says 543 00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:29.160 why alaburnum tree, because it's poisonous. 544 00:25:29.220 --> 00:25:32.759 And they're not even looking at each other, delivering this 545 00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:33.240 dialogue. 546 00:25:33.299 --> 00:25:38.099 And that little scene is better than anything between Peter 547 00:25:38.099 --> 00:25:40.859 Davidson and Anthony Ainley, in my opinion. 548 00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:44.880 Even though you could cut the master out of this plot and it 549 00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:46.019 wouldn't really affect the story. 550 00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:51.900 He and Colin actually have a really good rapport straight away. 551 00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:57.119 I think part of the reason being Anthony Anley's performance style 552 00:25:57.119 --> 00:25:59.759 and actually that's being a bit unfair because Anthony Anley was 553 00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:01.740 constantly trying to bring the performance down and being told to 554 00:26:01.740 --> 00:26:05.400 ramp it up, but it's a far better fit for Collins performance 555 00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:06.779 style than it was for Peters. 556 00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:07.259 Yeah. 557 00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:09.539 That is a really nice scene. 558 00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:10.380 It's a good observation. 559 00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:11.579 Brendan, I like that. 560 00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:14.220 And of course, you know, you've got Colin and Kate getting along 561 00:26:14.220 --> 00:26:14.759 really well. 562 00:26:14.819 --> 00:26:19.440 And Kate does what Roger Delgado did in that she comes in and 563 00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:20.640 threatens to take over the show. 564 00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:25.859 But Colin, I think, in and of himself is a far more self-assured 565 00:26:25.859 --> 00:26:29.039 actor than John Pertwee was because John Pertwee was, of course, a 566 00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:32.039 little bit of freed of someone taking over the show. 567 00:26:32.099 --> 00:26:35.160 Whereas Collins attitude is, no, come in, take over the show. 568 00:26:35.220 --> 00:26:37.019 You know, it'll be fun. 569 00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:38.700 We'll have cake, that sort of thing. 570 00:26:38.819 --> 00:26:44.220 Because the doctor does state at one point that he admires the 571 00:26:44.220 --> 00:26:45.299 Rani a little bit. 572 00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:49.140 It's a very different relationship to with the master where it's 573 00:26:49.140 --> 00:26:51.960 this kind of sorrowful we were friends once kind of thing. 574 00:26:52.019 --> 00:26:55.920 But with the Rani, we get that beautiful scene where is that scene 575 00:26:55.920 --> 00:27:00.420 where he's exploring her TARDIS and the look on his face and the 576 00:27:00.420 --> 00:27:05.220 admiration and him saying, I wonder if I asked a very, no, no, no 577 00:27:05.220 --> 00:27:06.900 don't, no, we've got a job to do. 578 00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:10.740 It's the Statenheim remote control that he's impressed by, which 579 00:27:10.740 --> 00:27:12.539 will come back in the next story. 580 00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:17.640 I actually think I really like the design of the Rani's TARDIS, but 581 00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:20.400 every time I see it, It looks a little bit cheaper and less 582 00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:21.599 impressive than I remember. 583 00:27:21.660 --> 00:27:25.859 The central control with that spinning thing is great, but it's 584 00:27:25.859 --> 00:27:26.400 that big. 585 00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:29.940 The back end of it where they've built it up for whatever the 586 00:27:29.940 --> 00:27:33.059 rotors behind it, that's where you kind of go. 587 00:27:33.059 --> 00:27:34.019 But it is nice. 588 00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:34.980 Oh, something new. 589 00:27:35.099 --> 00:27:38.579 And I was, I remember when she comes back in season 24 being 590 00:27:38.579 --> 00:27:40.619 slightly disappointed not to see the setting. 591 00:27:40.680 --> 00:27:41.519 Slightly disappointed. 592 00:27:41.579 --> 00:27:42.240 I was devastated. 593 00:27:42.299 --> 00:27:43.980 I was hankering for something. 594 00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:47.700 And again, that it was another set that JNT ordered they kept. 595 00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:50.339 And I believe they did still have it in storage around that time 596 00:27:50.339 --> 00:27:51.900 but it was just literally studio space. 597 00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:54.599 They said, look, we spend a minute of the story in here. 598 00:27:54.660 --> 00:27:58.500 So we're not going to devote all the studio time to it, which is a 599 00:27:58.500 --> 00:27:58.859 great shame. 600 00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:03.839 The design element I love of Rani's tartar set. aside from the 601 00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:06.599 fact that she's got little objects dotted about the way Hartnall 602 00:28:06.599 --> 00:28:06.839 did. 603 00:28:06.900 --> 00:28:10.920 Is the recessed lighting and the lighting behind things to give it 604 00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:11.519 a bit of depth. 605 00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:15.660 And, you know, I kind of wish they'd done that for the doctor's 606 00:28:15.660 --> 00:28:19.079 TARDIS maybe at some and Peter Capaldi ends up having it when he 607 00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:21.539 adds more round things and they're sort of backlit and what have 608 00:28:21.539 --> 00:28:21.720 you. 609 00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:25.380 What I find fascinating about the running TARDIS is, of course, you 610 00:28:25.380 --> 00:28:29.339 know, it's decked out in pink, which is a stereotypically feminine 611 00:28:29.339 --> 00:28:33.960 colour, but it doesn't feel like, you know, big pens for women. 612 00:28:34.019 --> 00:28:36.119 It doesn't feel like a tokenistic effort. 613 00:28:36.180 --> 00:28:37.319 It feels... 614 00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:40.559 It could have been Laura Ashley wallpaper, you know, if we'd been 615 00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:41.160 unlucky. 616 00:28:41.220 --> 00:28:44.220 So we should, you know, count our blessing. 617 00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:44.460 Yeah. 618 00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:48.839 But it doesn't feel like a patronising token gesture. 619 00:28:48.900 --> 00:28:51.420 You know, it doesn't feel like she's a woman, so she has a pink 620 00:28:51.420 --> 00:28:52.079 TARDIS. 621 00:28:52.140 --> 00:28:55.079 It, like, actually, no, that suits her aesthetic in the leather 622 00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:59.279 gear and the sort of gold and brown colours and her and her purple 623 00:28:59.279 --> 00:28:59.940 makeup. 624 00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:03.720 No, the set fits her and she looks like a natural in it and she 625 00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:05.700 knees the master in the bowl. 626 00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:08.700 Quite right too. 627 00:29:09.180 --> 00:29:12.059 It's been joyous talking about this, Joy. 628 00:29:12.059 --> 00:29:15.960 Actually, at the moment, coming away from this going, I actually 629 00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:19.980 like this a little bit more, then I have a thought, whereas our 630 00:29:19.980 --> 00:29:22.140 last week's discussion after venturing some Paris. 631 00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:23.279 I liked it a little bit less. 632 00:29:24.299 --> 00:29:27.180 See, I don't want to be too positive. 633 00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:30.480 Just once this season, maybe. 634 00:29:30.539 --> 00:29:33.660 It's just it's a relief from what's been going. 635 00:29:33.779 --> 00:29:34.619 Yeah, yeah. 636 00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:38.940 And sometimes I worry that I only like this story because I find 637 00:29:38.940 --> 00:29:42.660 it better than what's around it, but I think on its own, it's a 638 00:29:42.660 --> 00:29:43.680 good story as well. 639 00:29:43.740 --> 00:29:45.779 It's not just enjoyable by default. 640 00:29:45.900 --> 00:29:49.500 I found myself a little bit bored. have to say. 641 00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:52.380 I think it moves slowly and I think, like I said, it's a bit 642 00:29:52.380 --> 00:29:54.900 routine, but it is lifted by some performances. 643 00:29:54.960 --> 00:29:56.160 I like it. 644 00:29:56.220 --> 00:29:58.259 I don't love it, but I like it. 645 00:29:58.319 --> 00:30:00.599 You know, I think it's overshadowed by the things in this season 646 00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:01.380 which I really love. 647 00:30:01.859 --> 00:30:03.480 Ratings. 648 00:30:03.539 --> 00:30:05.279 I need to talk about this, please. 649 00:30:05.339 --> 00:30:06.960 Episode one. 650 00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:09.480 6.3 million. 651 00:30:09.539 --> 00:30:11.160 Oh, so we've dropped. 652 00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:13.619 Episode 27.3. 653 00:30:13.799 --> 00:30:15.660 I find that really intriguing. 654 00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:17.400 I mean, it's not unprecedented. 655 00:30:17.460 --> 00:30:20.279 Like, you know, Pete's time as the doctor. 656 00:30:20.339 --> 00:30:23.460 Like, if I choose frontiers, for example, like 8000000 for episode 657 00:30:23.460 --> 00:30:28.259 one, 5.8 for episode two, 7.8 for episode three. 658 00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:32.579 Suddenly there's, you know, it's not uncommon for things to jump 659 00:30:32.579 --> 00:30:33.000 around. 660 00:30:33.059 --> 00:30:37.380 But what's concerning is that you had 8.9 at the beginning of the 661 00:30:37.380 --> 00:30:41.039 season, then 7.2, 7.27, 6.3. 662 00:30:41.220 --> 00:30:45.420 So we suddenly had this cascading going down. 663 00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:48.240 Like, if you look at it that way, and it came 111th. 664 00:30:48.299 --> 00:30:49.619 7.3 you're back to 84. 665 00:30:49.859 --> 00:30:54.299 So with less episodes, you've got less chances of, you know 666 00:30:54.299 --> 00:30:55.259 picking up audiences. 667 00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:57.240 I mean it's great that a 1000000 people came back. 668 00:30:57.299 --> 00:31:00.960 But if you're gunning for the show to be gone, hello, Michael 669 00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:03.720 Grade, you know, you've suddenly got ammunition. 670 00:31:04.500 --> 00:31:07.980 I think I remember someone saying, I wonder if it was friend of 671 00:31:07.980 --> 00:31:12.240 the podcast, Simon Moore, but it was someone who once said that 672 00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:16.740 once the show goes from being on for half the year and just 673 00:31:16.740 --> 00:31:21.660 becomes another thing that's on television for kind of, what, 3 674 00:31:21.660 --> 00:31:21.960 months? 675 00:31:22.019 --> 00:31:22.380 Three months. 676 00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:26.579 It's easier to overlook it, and it's going to be a problem from 677 00:31:26.579 --> 00:31:27.299 here on in. 678 00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:30.900 And there is obviously a general downward trend in the ratings. 679 00:31:30.900 --> 00:31:32.700 And it is part of that. 680 00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:35.940 I think, you know, Doctor Who at this point can still generate 681 00:31:35.940 --> 00:31:37.500 tabloid headlines. 682 00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:42.000 It is still something that people are sort of interested in and 683 00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:47.640 perhaps have fond memories of, but it is becoming, It's becoming a 684 00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:51.480 sort of niche product and it's becoming a little bit more easy to 685 00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:52.440 overlook. 686 00:31:52.500 --> 00:31:54.180 Only on for 13 weeks. 687 00:31:54.299 --> 00:31:57.119 Yeah, you know, you've got 9 months of the year where you're not 688 00:31:57.119 --> 00:31:57.299 on. 689 00:31:57.359 --> 00:31:57.960 You know? 690 00:31:58.019 --> 00:32:00.960 And so John Nathan Turner doing all these headlines and trying to 691 00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:01.799 get guest stars. 692 00:32:01.859 --> 00:32:04.920 You can, I can see the reasoning behind it, you know, to try and 693 00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:06.900 generate this sort of, sort of interest. 694 00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:10.380 But yeah, you know, you know 6.3 back up to 7.3. 695 00:32:10.500 --> 00:32:15.059 Look, it's it's no worse than the previous season in terms of like 696 00:32:15.059 --> 00:32:17.940 those numbers, but the fact that they're all in a row going down 697 00:32:17.940 --> 00:32:21.660 to a point and the placings are lower. 698 00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:25.380 The placings are like we've had these series outside the top 100 699 00:32:25.380 --> 00:32:27.240 more so with just 7000000 viewers. 700 00:32:28.259 --> 00:32:30.660 Michael grades just around the corner. 701 00:32:30.779 --> 00:32:32.460 Kids, I'm sorry to say. 702 00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:36.119 And, you know, if 2 doctors can't generate better ratings than 703 00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:38.579 this and they don't, you know, what are you going to do? 704 00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:41.819 Well, I think the announcement is actually made spoiler alert 705 00:32:41.819 --> 00:32:42.900 during the 2 doctors. 706 00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:45.960 That's right When the show sinks to 6000000 viewers. 707 00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:49.200 And the next thing people see after that is time lash. 708 00:32:49.500 --> 00:32:54.420 I can't help but think Michael Grade made the decision of the 709 00:32:54.420 --> 00:32:58.079 announcement, knowing that time lash was the next story, because 710 00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:02.880 uh, spoiler alert, I quite enjoy time lash, but I freely admit it 711 00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:04.140 is the weaker story of this season. 712 00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:09.660 Yes, I, I, I agree on both counts. 713 00:33:09.779 --> 00:33:13.079 But you have to remember that, you know, Gray didn't like the show 714 00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:16.200 before he came into be controller. 715 00:33:16.259 --> 00:33:19.440 And the 1st thing across his desk was an internal report on 716 00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:21.420 Warriors of the Deep and how this should never have been 717 00:33:21.420 --> 00:33:25.619 transmitted because it wasn't up to the standards of the BBC. 718 00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:28.559 And of course, you can point at the murka and all that sort of 719 00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:28.740 thing. 720 00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:31.799 But if you've got that in front of you, you know, he's got 721 00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:34.019 EastEnders about to be launched and finding money. 722 00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:35.279 He doesn't like the show. 723 00:33:35.339 --> 00:33:37.980 The ratings are going down each week, you know, you're just going 724 00:33:37.980 --> 00:33:39.000 to pull the trigger, aren't you? 725 00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:42.059 Regardless of whether it's more violent or not. 726 00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:46.980 I'm sorry, the production team, all of us are all oblivious to the 727 00:33:46.980 --> 00:33:48.599 fact that the show isn't safe. 728 00:33:48.660 --> 00:33:49.500 We think that it is. 729 00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:51.779 You know, they're already planning the end of the season with a 730 00:33:51.779 --> 00:33:53.819 cliffhanger into the next season because they think it's just 731 00:33:53.819 --> 00:33:56.700 going to come back and there's this complacency within the 732 00:33:56.700 --> 00:33:59.339 production team and they've not managed to find a new producer. 733 00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:00.539 It's shame. 734 00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:02.700 Yeah, I think you highlight a problem there in that, the 735 00:34:02.700 --> 00:34:04.319 production team had become complacent. 736 00:34:04.380 --> 00:34:09.900 And the main reason we are finding enjoyment in these stories and 737 00:34:09.900 --> 00:34:12.900 the 2 people we keep coming back to is that Colin and Nicola are 738 00:34:12.900 --> 00:34:15.719 not complacent, they are so happy to be there. 739 00:34:15.780 --> 00:34:18.119 They are so enjoying each other's company. 740 00:34:18.179 --> 00:34:22.920 And they are enjoying doing something fascinating that almost no 741 00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:24.179 other actor has done. 742 00:34:24.300 --> 00:34:27.780 But they shouldn't be left to prop up the show. 743 00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:30.000 Yeah, they're not getting the support they need. 744 00:34:30.059 --> 00:34:34.440 I think by now, the show is just being made out of habit. 745 00:34:34.500 --> 00:34:39.360 And it's been a long time since they've actually properly sat down 746 00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:41.519 and thought about what they're doing. 747 00:34:41.579 --> 00:34:46.800 And the mere fact, even now, that every week is a serial. 748 00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:48.000 Do you know what I mean? 749 00:34:48.059 --> 00:34:51.119 We never sit down in an evening and watch an entire story. 750 00:34:51.179 --> 00:34:53.519 I think by the mid 80s. 751 00:34:53.579 --> 00:34:54.059 That's weird. 752 00:34:54.179 --> 00:34:57.900 Yeah. and it is off-putting. 753 00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:02.579 I think that the show has stopped worrying about what makes 754 00:35:02.579 --> 00:35:09.119 entertaining TV for the family and has decided to just continue 755 00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:13.980 making Doctor Who, which is an institution, and that there, as 756 00:35:13.980 --> 00:35:16.860 we've said before, just pandering to the people who've been 757 00:35:16.860 --> 00:35:18.480 watching Doctor Who for a while. 758 00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:25.440 And so it's less fun and just less funny, less witty, less 759 00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:26.219 inventive. 760 00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:30.360 And everyone's sort of less likeable. 761 00:35:30.420 --> 00:35:33.719 You know, I'm not a big fan of pertwee. 762 00:35:33.780 --> 00:35:38.940 But there was a kind of fun family liveliness to the show back 763 00:35:38.940 --> 00:35:39.179 then. 764 00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:41.519 This so in his 1st season, I think. 765 00:35:41.579 --> 00:35:42.900 Oh, yeah, no, I agree. 766 00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:43.500 I think you're right. 767 00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:45.780 In fact, the 1st season isn't much like that. 768 00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:46.980 It's when Katie comes along. 769 00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:47.760 That's right. 770 00:35:47.820 --> 00:35:49.019 And it changes through that season. 771 00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:51.239 I agree with you on a lot of points. 772 00:35:51.300 --> 00:35:54.119 I still find a lot of fun and I still find a lot of inventive. 773 00:35:54.179 --> 00:35:56.039 I still find a lot of humour and I still like a lot of the 774 00:35:56.039 --> 00:35:56.519 characters. 775 00:35:56.579 --> 00:35:57.719 You haven't been this season. 776 00:35:57.780 --> 00:36:00.360 I have listeners, but I take all those other points. 777 00:36:00.420 --> 00:36:01.980 They're making for the sake of making it. 778 00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:04.380 The support that was there for Doctor Who, like it got through 779 00:36:04.380 --> 00:36:08.460 season 18, new doctor, success, the 1st season, then it's the 20th 780 00:36:08.460 --> 00:36:11.219 anniversary, Peter's leaving, casting somebody else. 781 00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:15.059 But the powers that be have all changed and the support that was 782 00:36:15.059 --> 00:36:17.880 once there is not there from the echelons. 783 00:36:17.940 --> 00:36:19.679 They're looking for the faults. 784 00:36:19.739 --> 00:36:22.320 They're looking they're looking to push that that switch. 785 00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:26.699 And of course, you know, JNT had tried to leave already at this 786 00:36:26.699 --> 00:36:26.940 stage. 787 00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:29.820 I think, you know, I think he knew his heart wasn't in it anymore 788 00:36:29.820 --> 00:36:34.559 but he was, at this point, it was just hinted to him, but it would 789 00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:37.860 become overtly state to him at the end of this season. 790 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:40.800 If you leave, we are not making the show anymore. 791 00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:47.099 And what, you know, what a horrible choice to give him because he 792 00:36:47.099 --> 00:36:50.579 clearly loves the show, and even when he wanted to leave, much 793 00:36:50.579 --> 00:36:53.400 like Russell T. Davis or Barry Letts or Verity Lambert. 794 00:36:53.460 --> 00:36:55.739 That didn't mean he didn't love the show anymore. 795 00:36:55.860 --> 00:37:00.659 And he's staying on because he loves the show, whereas Eric 796 00:37:00.659 --> 00:37:04.980 Saywood is staying on, because he loves the show, he wants Doctor 797 00:37:04.980 --> 00:37:05.880 Who to be. 798 00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:11.159 And in a way, it's hard to fault him on that, you know, he's got a 799 00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:15.780 vision that he's trying to enact, but I think, like, say, John 800 00:37:15.780 --> 00:37:20.699 Wiles, the vision is flawed with, you know, the sort of central 801 00:37:20.699 --> 00:37:22.619 ideas of Doctor Who. 802 00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:27.599 But for just this 2 weeks, it's geling a lot better than it has 803 00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:31.019 been because we have a villain with a bit of depth. 804 00:37:31.079 --> 00:37:32.760 You know, she's not trying to rule the world. 805 00:37:32.820 --> 00:37:35.579 She's got a single purpose and the doctor has stumbled on her plan 806 00:37:35.579 --> 00:37:36.960 and needs to sort it out. 807 00:37:37.019 --> 00:37:42.360 We have a guest cast whom we get to know their characters and 808 00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:47.340 sympathise a bit with them and the doctor has his heroic action 809 00:37:47.340 --> 00:37:48.000 he's doing. 810 00:37:48.059 --> 00:37:51.840 Perry uses her botany knowledge to try and solve the problem as 811 00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:52.079 well. 812 00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:53.519 They've got independence. 813 00:37:53.579 --> 00:37:55.260 They've got a bit of autonomy. 814 00:37:55.320 --> 00:38:00.000 They mostly in this have a warm relationship with each other. 815 00:38:00.059 --> 00:38:02.159 There are some very funny moments. 816 00:38:02.219 --> 00:38:04.920 And the bizarre thing is with the master. 817 00:38:04.980 --> 00:38:07.440 He is at his most underused in this story. 818 00:38:07.500 --> 00:38:10.260 But I think that takes some of the pressure off, and Anthony 819 00:38:10.260 --> 00:38:14.219 Ainley is having a lot of fun, but there's that bit where someone 820 00:38:14.219 --> 00:38:17.159 describes TARDIS as a coffee, sort of has a little laugh to 821 00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:17.880 himself. yeah. 822 00:38:17.940 --> 00:38:21.900 It's not flawless, of course, but there is so much charm to this 823 00:38:21.900 --> 00:38:22.320 story. 824 00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:25.860 And I think that's why Colin Baker says, and I agree with him that 825 00:38:25.860 --> 00:38:29.280 Pip and Jane Baker are the best writers for his doctor on 826 00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:29.820 television. 827 00:38:30.300 --> 00:38:32.159 I love Colin. 828 00:38:32.219 --> 00:38:36.659 I love Colin as a person and as as as as the doctor. 829 00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:41.699 But I couldn't disagree with him more about Vic and Jane Baker. 830 00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:43.260 I never want them back again. 831 00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:47.400 You know, next year, I'm sorry, next season, my least favourite 832 00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:52.019 writing segment of the entire year is Terror the Vivoids, and it's 833 00:38:52.019 --> 00:38:54.360 my favourite Colin Baker story on television. 834 00:38:54.420 --> 00:38:55.380 So that's interesting. 835 00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:56.760 I agree with both of you. 836 00:38:57.539 --> 00:39:00.360 I look forward to talking about this. 837 00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:02.699 With you in a few weeks time. 838 00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:29.940 Dear listeners, we've had enough arguing mainly for Mark of the 839 00:39:29.940 --> 00:39:31.199 Rani, but do come back next week. 840 00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:35.639 Along with Patrick Troughton in the two doctors, it's bound to be 841 00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:37.260 the best story ever. 842 00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:41.639 Until then, check us out on Flightthrough Entirety.sexy, Flight 843 00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:44.880 Through Entirety on Facebook and iTunes and FTE podcast on 844 00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:45.360 Twitter. 845 00:39:45.420 --> 00:39:48.239 Don't forget about Bondfinger, where we will soon be welcoming 846 00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:54.119 Timothy Dalton to the role of Bond on Bondfinger.com, Bondfinger 847 00:39:54.119 --> 00:39:56.519 on Facebook and iTunes and Bondfinger cast on Twitter. 848 00:39:56.579 --> 00:40:02.159 Don't forget, hating to love is also out, a book reassessing 52 of 849 00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:04.380 the worst Doctor Who stories of all time, for which I've written 850 00:40:04.380 --> 00:40:06.119 about 20,000 words, I think. 851 00:40:06.179 --> 00:40:09.360 You can find that link in our show notes. 852 00:40:09.420 --> 00:40:10.800 Until next time. 853 00:40:10.860 --> 00:40:13.739 May none of your sweet meats come from a black clad man in a back 854 00:40:13.739 --> 00:40:14.219 alley. 855 00:40:14.340 --> 00:40:15.659 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 856 00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:16.199 Good night. 857 00:40:16.260 --> 00:40:16.860 See you soon. 858 00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:22.500 That was Flight Through Entirety, starring Todd B.L.B. Nathan 859 00:40:22.500 --> 00:40:23.820 Bottomley and Brandon Jones. 860 00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:25.679 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb. 861 00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:28.500 This episode, much more convincing than the Luke Tree, was 862 00:40:28.500 --> 00:40:30.659 recorded on the 15th of January 2017. 863 00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:33.659 The next episode would be released on the 19th of February. 864 00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:39.420 Nordstrom have dropped the brownies range of leather trousers from 865 00:40:39.420 --> 00:40:40.079 all their stores. 866 00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:41.039 So unfair. 867 00:40:41.099 --> 00:40:44.340 She's a great person, always pushing us to do the right thing. 868 00:40:47.460 --> 00:40:48.840 What are you talking about? 869 00:40:49.380 --> 00:40:51.960 Just uninventive... 870 00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:54.539 You're talking about the Rani in some way. 871 00:40:54.539 --> 00:40:57.119 Katomara being better than Martin. 872 00:40:58.380 --> 00:41:01.199 We're supposed to gush all over her at some point. 873 00:41:01.260 --> 00:41:03.659 It's sploosh, but with semen. 874 00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:09.480 Note to self, cut that out.