WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 13:42:57 1 00:00:31.500 --> 00:00:39.780 Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast who's very often forced to come in through the side door. 2 00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:40.500 I'm Brendan. 3 00:00:40.560 --> 00:00:41.280 I'm Nathan. 4 00:00:41.340 --> 00:00:43.079 I'm not the great healer. 5 00:00:43.140 --> 00:00:47.340 And we're finishing off season 22 with Revelation of the Daleks. 6 00:00:57.600 --> 00:01:01.859 Well, this is my story, and I'm gonna say something surprising. 7 00:01:01.920 --> 00:01:06.060 I think this is Eric Saywood's best script for the program. 8 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:13.140 And I think the reason is that he has taken inspiration from 2 good previous texts. 9 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:20.579 When, say, would 1st write for the program, he did a sort of substandard ripoff of the Time Warrior with all of the fun bits taken out. 10 00:01:20.640 --> 00:01:40.200 Here, what he's doing is he's recreating last year's Caves of Andrazani, and you can see right from the 1st shot, where we're zooming into a photograph of a planet, and then the TARDIS immediately materialises on location, where we have a whole heap of different people with different interests, plotting against one another. 11 00:01:40.260 --> 00:01:42.719 There's a big sort of conflagration at the end. 12 00:01:42.780 --> 00:01:43.980 A lot of people are killed. 13 00:01:44.040 --> 00:01:47.219 It is very, very like caves of and Rosani. 14 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:55.500 But, Cleverly, it takes inspiration from one of my favourite books, which is the loved one by Evelyn Waugh. 15 00:01:55.560 --> 00:02:03.000 And when I 1st saw this, I had already read it because we actually did it at school when I was in year 9. 16 00:02:03.060 --> 00:02:14.099 And, you know, there's a lot of that book that I didn't understand at the time, but I've since reread it, and it's a really, really vicious satirical black comedy. 17 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:20.759 I really, really recommend that everyone listening to this podcast read it. 18 00:02:20.819 --> 00:02:23.460 It's not very long and it's really, really funny. 19 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:38.759 It's, uh, set in California. around a big kind of necropolis called Whispering Glades and it's a satire of sort of horrific American bad taste around death. 20 00:02:38.819 --> 00:02:48.060 It's unbelievably funny and vastly, vastly darker and nastier than anything that we've seen in season 22. 21 00:02:49.020 --> 00:03:01.919 But it is wonderful, and say what has chosen the right things to be inspired by here, and added to that, you've got Graham Harper, who directed Andrazani last year. 22 00:03:01.979 --> 00:03:07.560 I don't think this is Colin Baker's best story or maybe it is. 23 00:03:07.620 --> 00:03:12.000 It's either his best or his 2nd best story for me, along with the 2 doctors. 24 00:03:12.060 --> 00:03:12.719 I thought this was good. 25 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:20.759 I think this is beautifully directed, superbly acted by 99% of the cast. 26 00:03:20.819 --> 00:03:23.699 I adore Colin and Nicola in this. 27 00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:27.419 I draw the fact that he's wearing a blue coat over the costume in episode one. 28 00:03:27.419 --> 00:03:33.120 And I can see why people regard this as the best of the era. 29 00:03:33.180 --> 00:03:39.000 I'm completely biased because I adore Attack of Assault so much and always love that. 30 00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:42.000 And I love the 2 doctors and I love Vintage Embarrass and I love this. 31 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:45.120 And so that's 4 big hits for me this season. 32 00:03:45.180 --> 00:03:57.599 I also feel like I've had 4 big hits, so it's, for me, attack Baros, Mark of the Rani, and this, and even the last 2 stories. 33 00:03:57.659 --> 00:04:00.120 Aren't complete misses for me. 34 00:04:00.180 --> 00:04:02.039 There's still things I enjoy in them. 35 00:04:02.099 --> 00:04:03.780 So, handle my heart. 36 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:05.520 I came into season 22. 37 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:07.620 Expecting I would enjoy it. 38 00:04:08.340 --> 00:04:11.699 I've enjoyed it even more than I expected, I would. 39 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:18.240 And I thought that our dear listeners have probably already noticed that something I do is I try and look for the good in almost every story. 40 00:04:18.300 --> 00:04:27.779 I didn't have to reach very far in most of these to find not just good moments, but a good thread through each story that I could follow. 41 00:04:27.839 --> 00:04:35.339 And I do think, even though I would say 2 doctors is the worst story for pacing issues and scripting issues which I mentioned. 42 00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:40.620 I think the hardest one that sort of hangs together with a cohesion is time lash. 43 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:44.519 Getting back to your comment on 99% good performances. 44 00:04:44.579 --> 00:04:48.120 I take it the other one% is Jenny Thomasson. 45 00:04:48.180 --> 00:04:50.100 I think she's fantastic. 46 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:50.819 Thank you. 47 00:04:50.939 --> 00:04:53.040 So do I. I don't know where this is coming from. 48 00:04:53.100 --> 00:04:56.220 She plays Tessanika to absolute perfection. 49 00:04:56.279 --> 00:05:00.180 She's supposed to be this fawning little thing and, you know, frustrated and whatever. 50 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:03.600 I think it's one of the most brilliant performances. 51 00:05:03.660 --> 00:05:06.660 And I've been wondering why people don't like her. 52 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:15.720 And the only conclusion I can come to is, in Doctor Who, very often, you'll divide your characters into goodies and baddies and baddies will have certain qualities and goodies all have certain qualities. 53 00:05:15.779 --> 00:05:20.040 And ostensibly, she's not a baddie. 54 00:05:20.279 --> 00:05:22.319 And yet. 55 00:05:22.500 --> 00:05:34.139 She kills in the course of the story and she has some negative emotions, like there's there's a lot of jealousy and envy in her character and she's prone to very quick anger. 56 00:05:34.199 --> 00:05:43.079 And I think it's because her character is very hard to define and pin down that people may not be comfortable watching her because she's unpredictable. 57 00:05:43.139 --> 00:05:45.660 And there's so many good performances in this. 58 00:05:45.720 --> 00:05:49.800 She's the standout for me because as good as everyone else is, you can predict their actions. 59 00:05:50.279 --> 00:05:54.600 You can never quite predict what Tasambika's going to do. 60 00:05:54.660 --> 00:05:57.839 And I'm going to jump straight to her ending here. 61 00:05:57.899 --> 00:06:01.079 Of course, growing up watching the ABC version. 62 00:06:01.139 --> 00:06:02.759 When she stabs Jobel. 63 00:06:02.819 --> 00:06:05.759 It's incredibly cut down. 64 00:06:05.819 --> 00:06:09.300 You kind of see her arm go down and then suddenly she's running down a corridor. 65 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:10.860 You don't see him collapse. 66 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:17.160 You don't see that wonderful bit with the toupee falling off, which was the suggestion of wardrobe and makeup. 67 00:06:17.220 --> 00:06:23.220 They suggested it to Clive Swift, who suggested it to Graham Harper, and he's like, yes, that's brilliant. 68 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:25.500 Let's do that on a crane, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 69 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:36.600 And as someone who has been losing his hair since he was 18, someone served it to me very early on when I was at uni, you know, why don't you just get a toupee, it's like... 70 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:37.620 What? 71 00:06:37.680 --> 00:06:39.060 Well, I said, look. 72 00:06:39.540 --> 00:06:45.240 I'm sure there are good toupees out there that are indistinguishable from the original, but one, they probably cost 1000s of dollars. 73 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:51.420 And two, Everyone who currently knows me knows I'm losing my hair. 74 00:06:51.660 --> 00:06:54.420 Anyone I then meet afterwards. 75 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:56.579 I can never see them without the toupee. 76 00:06:56.639 --> 00:06:59.639 What is the, what is the point of a toupee? 77 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:02.339 and the point is to highlight this character's vanity? 78 00:07:02.399 --> 00:07:04.079 I agree with you, Nathan. 79 00:07:04.139 --> 00:07:04.980 This is his best script. 80 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:10.139 For once he nails characterisations and he gives us interesting characters that aren't just cyphers. 81 00:07:10.199 --> 00:07:16.740 And in each of his stories, he has managed to provide characters who aren't just cyphers, but also characters who are just cyphers. 82 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:22.259 Yeah, well, think about his 1st story about the visitation, which essentially hangs the entire story on one guest star. 83 00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:29.339 And that's a reasonably good guest star, and it's a sort of Bob Holmes style, big, larger than live character. 84 00:07:29.399 --> 00:07:35.040 Whereas here you've got a whole heap of people, all of whom are quite well characterised. 85 00:07:35.100 --> 00:07:41.459 There are some wonderful people, like Kara, Eleanor Bronze, Kara is amazing, vogel is wonderful. 86 00:07:41.579 --> 00:07:44.939 Clive Swift is just phenomenal. 87 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:46.259 The mutant. 88 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:47.639 So John Gilgood. 89 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:52.680 There was some story that they were going to offer the mutant to Sir John Gilgood. 90 00:07:52.740 --> 00:07:53.879 And to Sir Lawrence. 91 00:07:53.879 --> 00:07:55.620 I believe that wrong. 92 00:07:55.680 --> 00:08:00.899 I believe they even went as far as determining Lawrence's dates and he simply wasn't available. 93 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:05.220 So they didn't actually get round to offering him the part, but they did say to him, look, it's a small part. 94 00:08:05.279 --> 00:08:09.480 You'd only be needed for 2 days because we understand you're very busy and he just wasn't available for the days. 95 00:08:09.540 --> 00:08:12.420 He wouldn't have gone on in that cup, though. 96 00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:14.100 Please, he wouldn't have like, no. 97 00:08:14.220 --> 00:08:17.040 No, he probably looked like that by 1984. 98 00:08:17.279 --> 00:08:21.839 Eleanor Brom as Kara and her offside of Ogle. are just so delicious. 99 00:08:21.899 --> 00:08:31.439 I just love the way she talks about, oh, the great healer and she's so sucky up and and their little, you know, just their relationship with each other and their little looks whenever they're dealing with people. 100 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:40.080 I remember being in the playground and doing her whole, we did a whole death thing, like, you know, where she goes, it's a bomb. great big bomb. 101 00:08:40.139 --> 00:08:41.759 I love that line. 102 00:08:41.940 --> 00:08:45.000 I adore it. like we would literally do. 103 00:08:45.059 --> 00:08:46.440 It's a bomb. 104 00:08:46.500 --> 00:08:47.100 It a great big bomb. 105 00:08:47.159 --> 00:08:47.519 You fool. 106 00:08:47.580 --> 00:08:49.320 Now we both die and then it's you before me. 107 00:08:49.379 --> 00:09:00.179 Well, I think her great moment is where she declares that she's going to have control of the food supply of the entire galaxy and she stands up and the music goes... 108 00:09:00.299 --> 00:09:01.799 That feels like a cliffhanger. 109 00:09:01.860 --> 00:09:03.960 It's not, but it feels like it should be. 110 00:09:04.019 --> 00:09:07.679 No, she's tremendous and you're right. 111 00:09:07.740 --> 00:09:15.179 The politeness with which she treats the great healer while she's sending an assassin to kill him, you know, is just tremendous. 112 00:09:15.240 --> 00:09:28.440 I think the one thread of the story that doesn't quite work is Natasha and Gregorian, I think the his character is too nasty. like he comes in with an actual hip flask dangling around his neck. 113 00:09:28.500 --> 00:09:32.639 And I do think that some of that stuff is a little bit too over the top. 114 00:09:32.700 --> 00:09:36.059 I think that's a kind of a misstep tonally. 115 00:09:36.120 --> 00:09:37.799 But everything else is terrific. 116 00:09:37.860 --> 00:09:42.480 We haven't mentioned Alexi Sales DJ who I think is lovely, just lovely. 117 00:09:42.539 --> 00:09:44.580 That's my .one%. 118 00:09:44.639 --> 00:09:45.720 You don't quite like that. 119 00:09:45.779 --> 00:09:49.080 I don't like him during when he's the DJ. 120 00:09:49.139 --> 00:09:51.419 Like a number of those characters. 121 00:09:51.480 --> 00:09:53.639 I kind of go, oh, please just get off my screen. 122 00:09:53.759 --> 00:09:58.679 When he drops the persona and is himself, he's beautiful. 123 00:09:58.740 --> 00:10:05.039 And I recognise the fact that to appreciate that, I've got to not appreciate the other. 124 00:10:05.100 --> 00:10:05.940 Yeah, yeah. 125 00:10:05.940 --> 00:10:09.899 So for me, that's the one thing that always jars when I watch this. 126 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:22.740 But if you think about what Saywood's been doing, those endless stories of people shooting guns in corridors at each other, it's hard to imagine, Eric, say, we're putting something like the DJ in. 127 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:24.419 And I think it's a real development. 128 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:31.379 I think he's moved from just wanting to do stories about Space Marines to wanting to do something a little bit more interesting. 129 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:34.200 And like maybe it doesn't all come off. 130 00:10:34.259 --> 00:10:37.559 And in fact, it's a little bit hard to know what the DJ's for. 131 00:10:37.620 --> 00:10:47.399 But do you think he's looking at what happened in Vincent and Paris, where you've got our 2 Google Box characters there and seen how that works and sort of, you know? 132 00:10:47.460 --> 00:10:50.399 Yeah, he's explicitly in front of a television screen, isn't he? 133 00:10:50.460 --> 00:10:58.559 And he switches channels, so he actually gets to see all of the different plots going on and he gets to narrate them to the audience. 134 00:10:58.620 --> 00:11:10.379 And there's a particular moment too, where, do you remember, we get that shot of the corridors and various people walking through the corridors and there's a black line that goes up the screen? 135 00:11:10.379 --> 00:11:13.559 And I can see that you don't think that's very successful. 136 00:11:13.620 --> 00:11:15.179 I think it's good for what it is. 137 00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:24.240 But what it is, is reminding us that this is television because it looks exactly like the black bars that used to go up the screen when the vertical hold would go off. 138 00:11:24.299 --> 00:11:25.200 Yeah, that's true. 139 00:11:25.200 --> 00:11:25.980 Yeah, no, no. 140 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:27.179 This is where I'm coming from too. 141 00:11:27.240 --> 00:11:27.840 You thought it? 142 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:30.419 I thought the very hold. 143 00:11:30.480 --> 00:11:37.740 And I actually thought it doesn't come off because if it was going up like that, you'd actually see the whole, the whole corridor, not part of it. 144 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:41.940 Yeah, but it's not like the camera's going up along different floors of the building. 145 00:11:42.000 --> 00:11:44.039 But it's that's what I think it is. 146 00:11:44.100 --> 00:11:45.779 But I can see what you're saying. 147 00:11:45.840 --> 00:11:48.779 Yeah, so it's about it's about television. 148 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:56.279 And so one of the big flaws in this era is, of course, that the doctor doesn't get involved until too late in the story. 149 00:11:56.340 --> 00:12:00.779 Here, I think, it almost works, and I don't know whether it's deliberate. 150 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:08.700 You go to great lengths to set up this really complicated world and then you crash the doctor and the Daleks into it to smash the place up at the end. 151 00:12:08.759 --> 00:12:16.679 Well, of course, Colin and Nicola are off doing pantomime for John Nathan Turner, directed by Fiona Cumming. 152 00:12:16.740 --> 00:12:18.000 I think it might have been Cinderella. 153 00:12:18.059 --> 00:12:21.419 Thus, they were not available for certain recording blocks. 154 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:28.019 So they actually had to be written out of studio recordings so they could only be on location during that 1st episode. 155 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:30.899 Because they're not in the studio at all in episode one. right. 156 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:42.179 And I've said before that Collins performance benefits from not being in the studio and it's such a relief to have them in a real place interacting with each other for a period of time. 157 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:46.019 I know that's all really short on incident that stuff, but it's really entertaining. 158 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:48.299 What seems to be the problem? 159 00:12:48.299 --> 00:12:49.980 The doctor says to that mutant? 160 00:12:49.980 --> 00:12:51.000 Maybe a taxi? 161 00:12:51.059 --> 00:12:56.039 It's a really clever line, of course, because it's what the doctor says when you see the doctor. 162 00:12:56.159 --> 00:12:57.960 Yeah, and say what has proved. 163 00:12:58.019 --> 00:13:03.059 He still can't write dialogue that's convincing, but he can actually write good jokes, I think. 164 00:13:03.120 --> 00:13:03.899 Yeah, yeah. 165 00:13:03.899 --> 00:13:08.039 And when they go up over that wall, you know, and you've broken it and all that sort of thing. 166 00:13:08.100 --> 00:13:12.960 Like, even as a kid, I kind of, like, like, he talking about... talking about his penis in that scene. 167 00:13:13.019 --> 00:13:17.940 But the way in which both Colin and Nicola play it, I personally think is perfect. 168 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:21.120 Like, you know, I really love that sequence. 169 00:13:21.179 --> 00:13:25.259 In fact, he does a little bit of petty revenge because his strands are on the wall. 170 00:13:25.320 --> 00:13:28.559 Yeah, yeah, get down herself very ungraceful. 171 00:13:28.620 --> 00:13:39.480 They are so charming together in that and, you know, I think as far back as Mark of the Rani, they mostly get the bickering right. 172 00:13:39.539 --> 00:13:47.340 And I just think in Mark the Rani 2 doctors and time lash, there's just a little bit of moment of nastiness that reminds you that. 173 00:13:47.519 --> 00:13:50.460 Oh, no, they haven't quite got it right yet. 174 00:13:50.519 --> 00:14:01.379 Whereas here, I think the bickering and the back and forth is actually well balanced and you have that charming moment where she finds the plant and sort of shows it to him and he reacts like it's harmful. 175 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:03.179 And she says, oh, is it dangerous? 176 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:05.279 He's like, oh, not really. 177 00:14:05.340 --> 00:14:12.840 And it's just a nice cute little joke between them when the mutant's dying and the way the doctor comforts the mute, like... 178 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:14.159 Yeah, he's holding the mutant's hand. 179 00:14:14.220 --> 00:14:17.039 Yeah, because the mutant says, would you believe I once looked like you? 180 00:14:17.100 --> 00:14:43.559 So instead of a mutant saying, oh, you know, I miss looking like a normal person, it's subtext and the doctor realises what this person really needs right now is someone to hold his hand and Perry's reaction, like her horror at what she's done and the doctor's consoling of her, you know, it's not over the top and it's it's a situation of, you know, you had to make a split 2nd decision to save our lives. 181 00:14:43.620 --> 00:14:48.480 You know, he understands that and he he didn't want to go on. 182 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:51.179 And it doesn't comfort Perry either. 183 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:52.200 I love her reaction to it. 184 00:14:52.259 --> 00:14:59.460 And there's a wonderful shot in that sequence where Collins stands up into shot and he's clearly furious about the great healer. 185 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:00.179 Yeah. 186 00:15:00.179 --> 00:15:01.679 It's so well directed. 187 00:15:01.740 --> 00:15:02.639 It's so good. 188 00:15:02.700 --> 00:15:03.299 Yeah. 189 00:15:03.299 --> 00:15:07.440 There's not a single scene in the Tartars in this story. 190 00:15:07.500 --> 00:15:09.299 And that's such a relief. 191 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:15.720 I love it when she throws that nut roast roll, whatever it is into the lake and everything. 192 00:15:15.779 --> 00:15:17.279 Yeah, and that's just... 193 00:15:17.340 --> 00:15:18.539 And it's well directed too. 194 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:20.159 Yeah, the direction is fantastic. 195 00:15:20.220 --> 00:15:23.519 But Colin and Nicola are really hitting their stride, you know. 196 00:15:23.580 --> 00:15:33.360 And, you know, even towards the end of the episode, you know, with the whole fake face falling down and I love that bit with the dalek behind her, which was done on location. 197 00:15:33.419 --> 00:15:36.720 Like, that was, that was not on the original script. pulling the Dalek along with a string. 198 00:15:36.779 --> 00:15:40.320 I love it when they meet Tess and Beaker and they sit down and they're having that conversation. 199 00:15:40.379 --> 00:15:44.460 There's just that look they give each other when she's going off like this woman is completely insane. 200 00:15:44.519 --> 00:15:45.419 I just love that moment. 201 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:46.919 I always just... 202 00:15:46.919 --> 00:15:54.179 And there's a great bit with Tasambika that was cut just for time where after the doctor says, no, no, you don't understand. 203 00:15:54.240 --> 00:15:55.799 I'm not interested in getting buried. 204 00:15:55.860 --> 00:15:58.019 I'm interested in why there's this statue of me. 205 00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:04.440 Tezembika's scripted to get really angry that I've gone through the whole sales pitch and you weren't even listening. 206 00:16:04.500 --> 00:16:07.799 How dare you not listen to our services? 207 00:16:07.860 --> 00:16:09.539 She does yell at the doctor. 208 00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:14.580 Yes, when he asks her about Joe Bell and she says, what business is it of yours? 209 00:16:14.580 --> 00:16:17.039 And Collins's reaction there is priceless as well. 210 00:16:17.100 --> 00:16:38.460 What I find so sweet about Perry in this story is she finally meets a man who doesn't want to impregnate her or eat her or modify her body and is just utterly charmed that she can tell him about the culture he's so interested in, like her scenes with the DJ and her reaction to his death, which we only get with audio, really. 211 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:42.360 And then the doctor hears that and that affects him. 212 00:16:42.419 --> 00:16:47.399 It's a wonderful touch that we don't, we don't see her screaming at the Daleks. 213 00:16:47.460 --> 00:16:50.879 We see the doctor's reaction to the possibility that Perry's dead. 214 00:16:50.940 --> 00:16:58.139 I think it's a good choice too, because we do like Alexi Sales character by that and seeing him die or it'd be unpleasant. 215 00:16:58.200 --> 00:17:02.279 And I think that scene where we hear the audio of it's really effective. 216 00:17:02.340 --> 00:17:09.000 And I'm a huge fan of Alexi Sale destroying 2 Daleks with a beam of concentrated rock and roll. 217 00:17:09.119 --> 00:17:10.079 That's so Doctor Who. 218 00:17:10.140 --> 00:17:10.920 It's very good. 219 00:17:10.980 --> 00:17:12.480 In a way that we haven't had. 220 00:17:12.539 --> 00:17:14.579 Can you imagine Dr. Styles? 221 00:17:14.579 --> 00:17:17.940 with a beam of concentrated rock and roll? 222 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:18.720 It's hard to imagine. 223 00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:22.140 Davros, the great healer. 224 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:27.299 I think that he is extremely good. 225 00:17:27.359 --> 00:17:31.799 I think that this is his best performance as Stavros. 226 00:17:31.859 --> 00:17:41.220 I think that having him in that tube, and there's something amazing about how quickly he can turn around in the head turning around. 227 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:45.839 Like, I mean, obviously in the last story, we saw that gunk coming out of him and the spaceship was going to explode. 228 00:17:45.900 --> 00:17:53.339 So, you know, I was fooled as a kid thinking, somehow, it got away, but because of all that stuff, it's just the head. 229 00:17:53.400 --> 00:18:04.440 To get himself around on that, he had these sort of 4 bars at the compass point so he could grab the bars and sort of twist his body around underneath it, Terry Malloy. 230 00:18:04.500 --> 00:18:09.299 But the problem was, there were also these girders at knee level. 231 00:18:09.359 --> 00:18:11.880 So the 1st time he did it he almost broke his knees. 232 00:18:11.940 --> 00:18:18.720 So on the swivel chair, he is kneeling with his legs tucked and tied under himself. 233 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:24.000 So, you know, he couldn't stay in there for a long period of time because otherwise he would block off blood supply to his feet. 234 00:18:24.059 --> 00:18:27.480 But yeah, he gets amazing speed on that. 235 00:18:27.480 --> 00:18:32.279 And it's so effective and it does convince you that he is just ahead in a jar. 236 00:18:32.339 --> 00:18:39.359 You know, we're in Futurama now, head of Nixon and headless body of Agnew kind of territory. 237 00:18:39.420 --> 00:18:41.640 I love all of his scenes with Chess and Baker. 238 00:18:41.700 --> 00:18:44.220 Yeah, that seduction scene is really amazing. 239 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:48.660 And he does the quiet thing that Michael Wisher used to do. 240 00:18:48.720 --> 00:18:49.740 He does it so well. 241 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:51.660 Like he gets to rant. 242 00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:54.119 He gets to be quiet, all of that stuff. 243 00:18:54.180 --> 00:19:00.660 Even when he 1st talks about Tess and Baker and says, what a pleasing personality shit. 244 00:19:00.900 --> 00:19:04.440 It's, it's, it's really effective. 245 00:19:04.500 --> 00:19:06.599 That's a great bit of episode two, I think. 246 00:19:06.660 --> 00:19:09.839 The surprising thing is you know how we do notes for this. 247 00:19:09.900 --> 00:19:13.140 I've got, like, too busy watching it. 248 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:15.180 Yeah, there's very few rates. 249 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:16.079 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 250 00:19:16.140 --> 00:19:24.779 It's bizarre because this has a lot of the things we've criticised other stories for, namely the Dr. and Perry taking ages to get involved in the story. 251 00:19:25.079 --> 00:19:30.660 But it's so strange because they have a warmer relationship and they're more fun to watch. 252 00:19:30.660 --> 00:19:32.700 It doesn't bother you so much. 253 00:19:32.759 --> 00:19:39.779 In fact, the whole situation is resolved by Tarkas and Lilt calling for the other Daleks. to arrive. 254 00:19:39.839 --> 00:19:47.700 And really the doctor doesn't do anything very much materially and then Orsini, you know, blows up the thing. 255 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:49.859 Orseni and Boston. 256 00:19:49.859 --> 00:19:52.259 Another great double act. 257 00:19:52.380 --> 00:20:01.140 I love the way the 6 doctor attacks him and then comments only I could do such a thing, attack a grand knight at the odour of Auberon or whatever it is. 258 00:20:01.200 --> 00:20:12.900 And not only that, I saw something new in Collins performance I hadn't seen before, when he attacks Orsini, as Orsini's sort of bringing his arm back up, there's this look on the doctor's face of, I have made a terrible mistake. 259 00:20:14.579 --> 00:20:22.920 The idea that Boston stinks, you know, and does nothing about his personal dieting. is just a really fun idea. 260 00:20:22.980 --> 00:20:23.759 It doesn't matter. 261 00:20:23.819 --> 00:20:25.740 It's just a little bit of character colour. 262 00:20:25.799 --> 00:20:28.859 And the 2 of them are really terrific together. 263 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:40.680 And, You know, Orsini is sort of pompous and self-important and a bit ridiculous and gets given a noble death and I think that's really terrific. 264 00:20:40.740 --> 00:20:43.859 I don't know that there's a dud character in this. 265 00:20:44.160 --> 00:20:51.119 Orcini, of course, is played by William Gaunt, who has a long career and I believe is still acting. 266 00:20:51.180 --> 00:20:56.160 Most famous, possibly to you, dear listener, as one of the leads of the champions. 267 00:20:56.220 --> 00:20:57.900 Les Champignon. 268 00:20:57.960 --> 00:20:59.099 Les Champignon. right. 269 00:20:59.160 --> 00:21:04.440 And the inspiration for his character actually came from Colin Baker. 270 00:21:04.500 --> 00:21:12.839 And this is part 2 of a story I was telling last week because when Eric Saywood found out Colin Baker was going to be the doctor. didn't know much about him. 271 00:21:13.019 --> 00:21:27.180 So he got a copy of City at the end of the world, the Blake 7 episode where Colin was the assassin, Babe and the Butcher, and he watched it with increasing horror, thinking he's not going to play the doctor like that, is he? 272 00:21:27.299 --> 00:21:32.880 And actually went up to Colin and kind of said, oh, I've seen you in your Blake 7 episode, you did. 273 00:21:32.940 --> 00:21:38.759 Um, Were you taking the Mick with your performance a bit there? 274 00:21:38.819 --> 00:21:41.400 And Con's like, well, how would you have played it? 275 00:21:41.460 --> 00:21:50.579 I, you know, I played it unstable, so you never know what this character's going to do, and Eric said, well, personally, I would have played it straight down the line and terrified everyone, and Colin's response was, well, that's your opinion. 276 00:21:50.640 --> 00:21:52.799 That was his conception of Orsini. 277 00:21:52.859 --> 00:21:54.839 He's like, well, I've said to Colin this is what I would do. 278 00:21:54.900 --> 00:21:56.400 There's no point in saying something. 279 00:21:56.460 --> 00:21:57.720 I'm not going to back it up with that. 280 00:21:57.839 --> 00:22:03.180 So I'm going to write this assassin character who's not shouting at people. 281 00:22:03.240 --> 00:22:07.380 He just, he always keeps a very level, calm voice except when he's in battle. 282 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:09.420 And I think it's really effective. 283 00:22:09.480 --> 00:22:14.940 He's a charming character who you like, but you kind of left with the impression that, yeah, he could mess you up. 284 00:22:15.059 --> 00:22:21.000 He does kind of come off as a bit of a pompous diluted idiot, though. 285 00:22:21.059 --> 00:22:22.259 And I like that. 286 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:32.519 Like, I don't know whether that's intentional or not, but all of his stuff about mortality and his stupid leg and that ridiculous gun that doesn't work properly and all of that sort of thing. 287 00:22:32.519 --> 00:22:34.440 He's a little bit silly. 288 00:22:34.500 --> 00:22:45.720 And maybe that's why it's so shocking and so fabulously effective when he pulls out that knife and stabs Eleanor Brock at the end so quickly, like he turns on a dime. 289 00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:49.259 And suddenly we see for the 1st time him actually being genuinely deadly. 290 00:22:49.980 --> 00:22:53.519 I love a few other aspects as a fanboy. 291 00:22:53.579 --> 00:22:55.740 I love the different Daleks. 292 00:22:55.799 --> 00:22:57.539 I actually think those Daleks. 293 00:22:57.599 --> 00:22:59.339 And remember, this is the 1st time we've seen them. 294 00:22:59.400 --> 00:23:13.200 I mean, we will see them later on in a couple of years time, and they do look slightly better in that story, but they look fabulously deco, and they fit in wonderfully with the decor of tranquil repose. 295 00:23:13.259 --> 00:23:14.460 I think they're terrific. 296 00:23:14.519 --> 00:23:18.180 I actually love the gruesomeness and horror of the glass dalek as well. 297 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:19.680 Yeah, I think it really works. 298 00:23:19.799 --> 00:23:23.819 So this is this is kind of the kill me virus scene, isn't it? 299 00:23:23.880 --> 00:23:31.259 It's almost as if, you know, we were aware that we weren't allowed to do that in arc in space and so we try and do it again. 300 00:23:31.319 --> 00:23:34.319 And I think that is really good. 301 00:23:34.380 --> 00:23:38.460 It's a great performance and the perspex dalek looks amazing. 302 00:23:38.519 --> 00:23:40.680 Like it really looks extraordinary. 303 00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:44.039 They were going to do a flying dalek on location, actually. 304 00:23:44.099 --> 00:23:46.980 The one that Orsini blows up was going to be flying. 305 00:23:47.099 --> 00:23:48.059 Yeah, but they couldn't. 306 00:23:48.059 --> 00:23:49.380 I think it was actually wind. 307 00:23:49.440 --> 00:24:01.019 They had the they had the equipment on set, but on the DVD, you'll notice as part of the making of, they have, um, the film trims of that scene where they blow up the Dalek and immediately the smoke just blows over the camera. 308 00:24:01.079 --> 00:24:01.740 Right. 309 00:24:01.740 --> 00:24:04.200 So because of the wind, they couldn't really do the flying dial. 310 00:24:04.259 --> 00:24:05.579 Like, it had to be a lightweight prop. 311 00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:09.480 And if you had the wind, it would just be blowing in the wind like wind chimes. 312 00:24:09.539 --> 00:24:11.819 So they just decided to make it static. 313 00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:13.920 I think it worked. a huge explosion. 314 00:24:13.980 --> 00:24:14.819 I think it's. 315 00:24:14.940 --> 00:24:16.799 All the location stuff is terrific. 316 00:24:16.859 --> 00:24:19.079 They're like the IBM building. 317 00:24:19.140 --> 00:24:20.220 Yeah, yeah, it's great. 318 00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:20.819 Yeah. 319 00:24:20.819 --> 00:24:23.220 And we do get a levitating down Ross. 320 00:24:23.279 --> 00:24:24.539 I think that quite works for me. 321 00:24:24.599 --> 00:24:27.599 It's a bit too kind of video affecting that shot. 322 00:24:27.660 --> 00:24:34.619 There's too many video effects because you've got his beams, you've got something coming out of the bottom of Davros's chair. 323 00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:42.299 You've got the removal of William Gaunt's artificial leg, you know, and so there's just, it's just a little bit too ambitious. 324 00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:44.880 It's beyond what they can actually convincingly pull off. 325 00:24:45.180 --> 00:24:48.779 It's something I quite like and I don't know if you're going to like it. 326 00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:53.759 Deveros's hand gets blown off and then goes to shake it. 327 00:24:53.819 --> 00:24:57.960 See, that's my dark sense of humour and I actually like... 328 00:24:58.019 --> 00:25:01.500 And I just, I just burst out laughing. 329 00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:03.779 He does an armless pun too. 330 00:25:04.440 --> 00:25:06.240 No arm in trying. 331 00:25:06.299 --> 00:25:06.960 No, I'm in trying. 332 00:25:07.019 --> 00:25:09.119 I mean, it's just my pathetic. 333 00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:12.000 I thought all we could have done without the fingers on the floor, to be honest. 334 00:25:12.059 --> 00:25:15.539 Okay, but I'm just saying like just going for that and I just love it. 335 00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:20.099 To top it all off, the action figure comes with a changeable hand. 336 00:25:20.160 --> 00:25:24.539 So you can have Davros's hand in there or you can have the stumpy green bandage. 337 00:25:24.839 --> 00:25:34.140 You know, the funny thing is that when Russell brings Davros back, he obviously wants to bring classic Davros from Genesis of the Daleks back. 338 00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:44.039 And so he gives him a robotic hand, with big long fingernails, just like that Rosso's hand, because if you've only got one hand, it's really hard to trim your fingernails. 339 00:25:44.099 --> 00:25:47.819 And so that sort of works terribly well. 340 00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:53.099 The next time we see Davros, we don't see his arms at all because he's in that sort of airball thing. 341 00:25:53.099 --> 00:25:53.700 Spoiler it. 342 00:25:53.759 --> 00:25:55.980 But we're getting ahead of ourselves. 343 00:25:56.039 --> 00:26:08.819 Clearly, this story is kind of important enough for it to be referenced the next time we see the Daleks and then to be referenced finally when Davros gets brought back in the new show. 344 00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:18.480 And not much of the Colin Baker era kind of survives in fan memory in the sense that it doesn't get referenced very much in subsequent stories. 345 00:26:18.539 --> 00:26:27.359 Yeah, I think the only other element that's really been referred to in the new series is some, The Valley Yard. was briefly referred to by the great intelligence department. 346 00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:27.839 It's about it. 347 00:26:28.019 --> 00:26:30.299 So ratings for this story. 348 00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:35.099 7.400000 for the 1st episode, 7.7. 349 00:26:35.339 --> 00:26:41.400 And in terms of chart placing, they were 2 of the top ones of the season. 350 00:26:41.460 --> 00:26:52.380 So 65th and then 58th for the final episode of the year, which, you know, those chart placings compared to over the last 3 years are up there with the best of them. 351 00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:56.039 And in fact, that's Collins's highest placed episode at 58. 352 00:26:56.220 --> 00:26:58.259 And is that the Daleks, do you think? 353 00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:02.880 It's a combination of the announcement of the cancellation and the fact that Daleks are in it this week. 354 00:27:02.940 --> 00:27:05.339 Well, that's the last episode of the season. 355 00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:07.019 So, yes, I think it's the cancellation. 356 00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:10.799 It's the Daleks. people even liking the previous episode. 357 00:27:10.859 --> 00:27:11.400 Who knows? 358 00:27:11.460 --> 00:27:24.480 Of course, by this point, I think it took less than a week for the BBC to backtrack and say, oh, no, we're just resting the series for 18 months, which, you know, is unheard of these days, having to weigh 18 months for a new season. 359 00:27:24.539 --> 00:27:25.319 Outrage. 360 00:27:25.380 --> 00:27:42.779 I do have to wonder if them noticing the ratings picked up also helped the show a little bit, but then, okay, getting ahead of ourselves here, but next year the budget's going to be slashed, the episode count is going to be slashed, and there's going to be slashed, and there's going to be a lot of other bad decisions going on. 361 00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:54.299 Um, Yeah, you know, I think even if the story had gotten 100 million, the writing was on the wall and we were going to be moving to 14, 25 minute episodes, even if the series came back. 362 00:27:54.359 --> 00:27:57.599 No, the series, unless you're a soap is doing that in Britain. 363 00:27:57.660 --> 00:27:59.819 It's because it's a weird hangover. 364 00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:00.779 Yeah, it is. 365 00:28:00.779 --> 00:28:03.539 We never sat down and thought, what are we doing here? 366 00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:06.420 And, you know, one of the things a new series got right. 367 00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:22.740 And I remember at the time thinking, like being a bit anxious about it, because it didn't seem like Doctor Who, but the one thing the new series got right was, if it's going to be 45 minute episodes, and if we can afford it, they should really be self-contained stories. 368 00:28:22.859 --> 00:28:28.380 It's not that great to have a show where you tune in and you only get to see half or a quarter of a story. 369 00:28:28.380 --> 00:28:31.859 But I mean, if you look at original who and the pacing. 370 00:28:31.980 --> 00:28:35.579 I think a lot of time you can get 3 episodes into that 45 minutes. 371 00:28:35.700 --> 00:28:40.380 Yeah, because if you consider it, especially with Russell T. Davies. 372 00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:51.059 The incident that happens in part one of a classic Doctor Who 4 parter is the incident that happens in the pre-title sequence of a Russell T. Davies era, Doctor Who. 373 00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:56.160 And quite often in the Stephen Moffat doctor, he loves condensed storytelling in his opening teasers. 374 00:28:56.220 --> 00:28:58.079 And then you've got episodes. 375 00:28:58.140 --> 00:29:12.960 Really, religious episodes 2 and 4 because classically speaking, 3 is padding, runaround, escape, think we've won, and then, oh, but Terminus is going to destroy the universe unless we get a giant dog robot thing to move this lever. 376 00:29:13.079 --> 00:29:15.240 And that's how television is. changed. 377 00:29:15.299 --> 00:29:18.359 You know, time lash could have been like a dream sequence. 378 00:29:18.420 --> 00:29:20.819 Doctors knocked out a few flashes, boom, boom, boom. 379 00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:21.299 That's it. 380 00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:22.380 That's just reminded me. 381 00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:26.579 There were these 2 rumours for Davidson's last season. 382 00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:39.299 The 1st one was that Malcolm Hulk's, The Hidden Planet, which was an unmade Hartnell story, had in fact been partially filmed and they were going to film linking material with Davison to make it into a new story. 383 00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:40.619 That was an April fool's thing. 384 00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:55.440 But the other rumour was, and people associated this with Frontios for some reason, that there was going to be a story where the 5th doctor would hit his head and remember a 1st doctor adventure and they were going to make it with Richard Herndle and Carol Anne Ford. 385 00:29:55.500 --> 00:29:59.099 And there's no indication that the production team ever actually thought of this. 386 00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:08.700 And of course, famously Richard Herndle died before he got paid for the 5 doctors, but yeah, sorry, Todd, you just reminded me of that. never heard of this before in my life. 387 00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:22.559 Do you know, it reminds me of Richard's idea of a whole season of story starring the doctor, Ian, Barbara and Susan with the cast of an adventure in space and time. 388 00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:24.420 What, refilming classic? 389 00:30:24.539 --> 00:30:25.859 No, no, just new ones. 390 00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:27.119 Yeah, it would have been awesome. 391 00:30:27.180 --> 00:30:27.660 Yeah. 392 00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:31.799 Although I think he did also suggest a telemovie of Marco Polo because, hey, why not? 393 00:30:31.859 --> 00:30:32.759 Because that's brilliant. 394 00:30:32.819 --> 00:30:33.599 That'd be great. 395 00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:38.759 Um, we haven't mentioned um, very much. uh, the gay couple in this story. 396 00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:44.039 Tarkas and Lt. I actually think they're a little bit too horrible in one of their scenes. 397 00:30:44.099 --> 00:30:45.119 There's that scene. 398 00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:46.200 It is weird, yeah. 399 00:30:46.259 --> 00:31:02.460 So I already mentioned that I'm not a big fan maybe of Grigory, but when Natasha and Grigory are chained to the wall, like Tarkas and Lilt, you know, shove gun butts in their in their stomachs and they make Gregory drunk and they threaten to cut Natasha's face. 400 00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:05.099 And I think that that is taking it a bit too far. 401 00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:11.099 I think that's that's probably just unnecessarily nasty. a little bit too nasty. 402 00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:25.619 Especially seeing as most of the time they're, they're not comedy characters, but they are comic characters and they have a sense of humour and they teased Hazenbika together and not that I'm saying that's necessarily a nice thing, but it's not holding a knife up to someone's eyeball and saying let me mark her. 403 00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:26.519 Yeah, yeah. 404 00:31:26.579 --> 00:31:27.720 And they survive at the end. 405 00:31:27.779 --> 00:31:31.200 They're the people who actually survive to rebuild Necros. 406 00:31:31.259 --> 00:31:33.359 So they're not in any way punished for that. 407 00:31:33.420 --> 00:31:39.059 And I think that there's an attempt again to recreate K's of Andrazani by having no good characters. 408 00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:46.259 Like no one is a good guy here, just as no one on Andrazani, major or minor. were good guys either. 409 00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:47.880 Only the DJ. 410 00:31:47.940 --> 00:31:49.980 Yeah, the DJ's a good guy, isn't he? 411 00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:51.299 Yeah, who gets horribly murdered. 412 00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:56.640 Now, something I realised watching this, of course, because there's a shot with all 3 of them together when they're conspiring. 413 00:31:56.700 --> 00:32:02.279 This may be the classic doctor story with the most actors who've returned in the new series. 414 00:32:02.339 --> 00:32:08.220 Because, um, Colin Spall, who plays lilt, was in the Age of Steel and Rise of the Cyberman. 415 00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:09.839 Also directed by Graham Harper. 416 00:32:09.900 --> 00:32:15.359 Also directed by Graham Harper, Clive Swift, of course, is back in Voyage of the Damned. 417 00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:19.619 And he's a famous miserable bastard, and we'll be linking to that interview again. 418 00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:20.819 Fabulous. 419 00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:21.359 Is he? 420 00:32:21.420 --> 00:32:30.240 There's this wonderful interview of him in Doctor Who magazine, just for one page interview where, you know, he gets those questions like, yeah, what's it like being in such a legendary program twice. 421 00:32:30.299 --> 00:32:31.440 Oh, is it legendary? 422 00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:33.359 Very dry. 423 00:32:33.420 --> 00:32:35.039 He's really rude, actually. 424 00:32:35.099 --> 00:32:36.299 It's kind of like I did this work. 425 00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:36.960 I don't care. 426 00:32:37.019 --> 00:32:39.660 Why the hell are you still doing a magazine about this nonsense? 427 00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:42.900 He's really, he's really horrible. 428 00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:43.619 It's really funny. 429 00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:44.400 Richard loves it. 430 00:32:44.460 --> 00:32:52.920 There are some, including Richard, who've expressed the thought that he's actually sending up the whole interview process and that the interviewer is in on it as well. 431 00:32:52.980 --> 00:32:55.559 And you can read it either way and still enjoy it. 432 00:32:55.619 --> 00:32:57.720 So they're 2 of the people. 433 00:32:57.779 --> 00:32:59.339 Harper, is that the other one? 434 00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:00.119 No, no. 435 00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:01.019 Tarkas. 436 00:33:01.019 --> 00:33:02.940 Tarkas, is he the bear one? 437 00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:04.680 Yeah, yeah, he's the big bear. 438 00:33:04.740 --> 00:33:07.079 He's Friar Tuck in Robot of Sherwood. 439 00:33:07.140 --> 00:33:07.859 No. 440 00:33:07.859 --> 00:33:09.119 Yes. 441 00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:11.039 Yeah, that's him. 442 00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:13.319 That's crazy. 443 00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:15.779 I've got a sea robot. 444 00:33:15.779 --> 00:33:16.500 I've got to watch it. 445 00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:18.480 Like, is he really old in robot of Sherwood? 446 00:33:18.539 --> 00:33:20.400 He's aged surprisingly well. 447 00:33:20.579 --> 00:33:22.920 I think he's probably younger than he is. 448 00:33:22.980 --> 00:33:23.940 Yes, I think you're right. 449 00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:25.859 He must be only in his 20s. 450 00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:26.279 Yeah. 451 00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:26.700 Yeah. 452 00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:31.680 I think Eric Saywood actually gets the balance of violence right here for the 1st time. 453 00:33:31.740 --> 00:33:36.119 You know, he's always said that thing about if you're going to show violence, you have to show its consequences. 454 00:33:36.180 --> 00:33:39.720 I agree, the interrogation of Natasha and Gregory. 455 00:33:39.779 --> 00:33:41.160 It's not quite right. 456 00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:42.599 It needs to be pulled back a little. 457 00:33:42.660 --> 00:34:00.660 But, you know, considering we've got a story with Dalek Mutants begging to be shot, a hand being shot off, a woman being stabbed through the heart, a man being stabbed through the heart with a syringe, But it still doesn't feel like the violence is excessive. 458 00:34:00.660 --> 00:34:03.660 And it's not just that tiresome gun violence. 459 00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:06.480 There's sort of fantasy violence and there's sort of. 460 00:34:06.539 --> 00:34:08.219 There's laser guns and stuff. 461 00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:11.880 I just feel that having explored this season. 462 00:34:11.940 --> 00:34:14.579 This is just for me and last season was a lot of gun violence. 463 00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:17.400 This season it's more pointed and I don't know. 464 00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:19.739 Violence is not necessarily the word I would use. 465 00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:21.780 I think there's a lot of gruesome moments. 466 00:34:21.780 --> 00:34:22.980 That's the thing I feel. 467 00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:25.139 Well, it's very gruesome at times. 468 00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:28.559 And I said last week that I liked Shockeye eating the rat. 469 00:34:28.619 --> 00:34:29.880 I think that's terribly funny. 470 00:34:29.940 --> 00:34:32.519 So I'm not opposed to the gruesomeness. 471 00:34:32.579 --> 00:34:38.519 I think fingers on the floor is something that I would prefer that they had decided not to do. 472 00:34:38.579 --> 00:34:54.420 Yeah, I think that what I objected to in the violence isn't just the violence, but the kind of, the way it's just monochromatic, it's just people with guns shooting each other, resurrection of the Daleks devalues the Daleks because it just turns them into people with guns shooting each other. 473 00:34:54.420 --> 00:34:58.679 Here, because it's more grotesque, it's a fantasy environment. 474 00:34:58.739 --> 00:35:00.960 It isn't just endless guns. 475 00:35:01.019 --> 00:35:03.059 I object to the violence much less. 476 00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:05.219 I think this is much more inventive and interesting. 477 00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:08.880 Doctor Who's always been violent and has always contained death. 478 00:35:08.940 --> 00:35:10.380 And that's not a problem. 479 00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:16.800 And I also think protracted depictions of people suffering are a problem and I think that the show shouldn't do that. 480 00:35:16.860 --> 00:35:20.940 Yeah, here when people die, they get shot or they get stabbed and they fall over dead. 481 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:24.719 You know, it's not, it's not lit in getting his hands crushed. 482 00:35:24.780 --> 00:35:27.539 It's not the guy reaching up out of the acid bath. 483 00:35:28.260 --> 00:35:34.079 One thing that confused me about the violence though, and this is just a bit of a frivolous point, really. 484 00:35:34.139 --> 00:35:37.260 But it's like Natasha has this really sleek laser gun. 485 00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:50.039 And everyone else has submachine guns and there's a bit where Natasha and Grigory attack their 1st guard and kill their 1st guard and they find the laser and the machine gun at them and that alerts the Daleks. 486 00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:55.920 It's like, maybe if you just find the laser, which just goes, people might not have heard you. 487 00:35:56.340 --> 00:36:00.539 Why bring a bloody submachine gun to a stealth mission? 488 00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:12.179 It's such a stealth mission, actually, that at the very beginning where you get Mr. Joe Bell being introduced and talking to the staff at Tranquil Repose. 489 00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:20.159 That scene finishes and Natasha and Gregory walk through the same shot with machine guns and nobody notices them. 490 00:36:20.219 --> 00:36:22.440 I think that's terrifically stylish. 491 00:36:22.500 --> 00:36:25.679 I love all the blue palace that they all wear. 492 00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:30.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. and all that, which goes with the cold and the snow and everything like that. 493 00:36:30.059 --> 00:36:33.780 It's beautifully designed and compared to last week, which was so boring. 494 00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:34.800 This is so lovely. 495 00:36:34.860 --> 00:36:39.599 And something I noticed this time around that I hadn't noticed before, or rather than I thought was a mistake. 496 00:36:39.659 --> 00:36:49.920 There's that bit where Joe Bell's addressing his complete staff and telling them, you know, don't speak unless you're spoken to and treat the president's wife with respect, et cetera, et cetera. 497 00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:54.360 And I was watching it, this time going, oh, yeah, they haven't quite dyed the tunics the right colour. 498 00:36:54.420 --> 00:36:58.559 But then I realised it's different shades for male and female stars. 499 00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:04.500 And then I thought it was also different shades for the bandoleers, but the bandoleers are translucent plastic. 500 00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:07.980 So they look like different colours when they're over the top of that. 501 00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:11.880 And I thought it could have been so easy to just have the same colour for everyone. 502 00:37:11.940 --> 00:37:16.800 But either the designer pack Godfrey or Graham Harper's gone. 503 00:37:16.860 --> 00:37:18.599 No, we're gonna, we're gonna do it this way. 504 00:37:18.659 --> 00:37:23.159 The design of the um, Alec Linstead, Dalek Mutant. 505 00:37:23.219 --> 00:37:26.099 So it's Mr. Jellicoe inside that Dalek from Robot. 506 00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:27.119 Yes. 507 00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:27.900 What? 508 00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:44.639 Oh my goodness. was done by Dorkan Radzik, the makeup designer. sort of Graham Williams caper can't blanch, and she read the script, and she thought, well, if this mutant's growing, and if you look if you look at it, she's like, I'm going to put the kidneys and the liver on the outside of the head. 509 00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:48.420 Because there's blood filtration. 510 00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:53.400 Best place for blood filtration is next to the brain because that way the brain stays clear. 511 00:37:53.460 --> 00:37:55.440 It's like, what an amazing idea. 512 00:37:55.500 --> 00:38:05.579 There's an interview with her in one of the Doctor Who annuals where she talks about the time she's assigned to Doctor Who and she's like, it's so great because, you know, other shows you get to do basic makeup. 513 00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:07.440 Doctor Who, I'm designing monsters. 514 00:38:07.500 --> 00:38:08.400 This is great. 515 00:38:08.460 --> 00:38:09.179 This is amazing. 516 00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:16.380 Hugh Walters, who's Vogel, and had been Runcible, the fatuous in Deadly Assassin. 517 00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:18.599 Oh, my goodness. 518 00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:19.860 I've made that link. 519 00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:20.699 I didn't. 520 00:38:20.940 --> 00:38:24.300 He put so much thought into his character. 521 00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:31.920 Like on the making of he talks about it and he's like, you know, it's, I know it's not a big role, but with this role, I had to decide who this person was. 522 00:38:31.980 --> 00:38:40.739 So, and then I had to be shot by a Dalek, and I had this death scene, and it decided in the death scene, you know, I, I said to Graham, what's it like, oh, it's like being electrocuted. 523 00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:42.360 So I threw my arms about and screamed. 524 00:38:42.420 --> 00:38:45.000 But then just before I fall, he looks at Kara. 525 00:38:45.059 --> 00:38:47.699 And as the viewer, you're like, is there something there? 526 00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:48.659 Are they in love? 527 00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:51.659 And then he falls on the ground and you're not in love? 528 00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:52.260 He's gay. 529 00:38:52.380 --> 00:38:54.480 She's a gay icon. 530 00:38:55.440 --> 00:39:02.519 But it's just one little brief moment where he drinks in her fabulosity for one last time before dying. 531 00:39:02.579 --> 00:39:03.179 Correct. 532 00:39:03.239 --> 00:39:04.019 Who wouldn't do that? 533 00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:06.420 It's very sweet. 534 00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:13.980 I love how in that scene, they're drinking a lovely cocktail with their arms linked around each other before the Daleks come in. 535 00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:15.059 It's so incongruous. 536 00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:23.940 It's wonderful And I mean, getting back to her, we discussed it earlier, but I've gone through the full journey with Jenny Thomas and as Tassen Baker. 537 00:39:24.059 --> 00:39:31.679 As a kid, I loved her, and then as a teenager, I read some fan wisdom that she was terrible, and so for a few years, I thought she was terrible. 538 00:39:31.739 --> 00:39:38.699 But the last couple of times I've watched it, I'm like, no, like you are a complex character. 539 00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:57.420 And it's it's kind of like, it's kind of like a high school drama where you've got the geek who is transformed at the end to reveal her inner beauty, which makes her look like all the other outer beauty kind of people, you know? 540 00:39:57.480 --> 00:39:59.219 But no, it's a subversion of that. 541 00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:05.340 It's like just because she's not the quote unquote popular girl or cool girl. 542 00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:08.880 She still has emotions and feelings. 543 00:40:08.940 --> 00:40:10.619 She still needs love. 544 00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:14.280 She still needs affection and like all of us. 545 00:40:14.340 --> 00:40:20.579 There are going to be times where she shows that love and affection to the wrong people, but love makes her blind. 546 00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:34.679 And then when she discovers that Joe Bell won't give her the time of day, but he's quite happy to flirt with other people, but won't just give her a straight answer and kind of strings are along a little. 547 00:40:34.739 --> 00:40:41.099 Even then, She tries to help him and then kind of says, you've got to get away. 548 00:40:41.099 --> 00:40:47.219 And then when she kills him, she shows immediate remorse and is then horribly killed herself. 549 00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:48.900 She's incredibly tragic character. 550 00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:50.820 It's Shakespearean again, Nathan. 551 00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:59.519 She, I mean, she gets killed because while she does kill him, she does warn him about the great healer, and I think that that's why he has her killed. 552 00:40:59.579 --> 00:41:06.960 I love all of his little, the gray healers like looking at him and Clive Swift looking at the camera and, oh, no, you know. 553 00:41:07.019 --> 00:41:08.940 That's a brilliant piece of direction as well. 554 00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:17.460 We never once see a camera in tranquil repose, but we know that there are cameras everywhere, not because anyone actually mentions them. 555 00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:25.440 But because from time to time, the characters will just regard the pretend camera and Colin does one and he does a terrific reaction. 556 00:41:25.500 --> 00:41:30.599 But Joe Bell is making sure that his best side is the camera. 557 00:41:30.659 --> 00:41:32.219 It's really well done. 558 00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:35.280 Something else I absolutely love in terms of the cameras. 559 00:41:35.340 --> 00:41:36.960 You know, we talked about earlier on. 560 00:41:37.019 --> 00:41:40.440 The DJ is kind of watching what's going on, but so's Davros. 561 00:41:40.500 --> 00:41:48.360 So for the 1st episode, control of the episode is being fought over by the DJ and Davros. 562 00:41:48.420 --> 00:41:49.980 They're controlling what we see. 563 00:41:50.340 --> 00:41:58.739 And it alternates between them and that you got that great bit where Dapro says, suddenly everyone sees and knows too much. 564 00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:01.860 Well, maybe if you weren't vision switching to everything, Davros. 565 00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:04.139 It's such a clever conceit. 566 00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:16.920 Made even cleverer by the fact that this is the 1st time I've noticed that it's a storytelling conceit to get us from one location to the other because a complaint about this story is there are so many characters. 567 00:42:16.980 --> 00:42:18.599 So you have 2 hubs. 568 00:42:18.659 --> 00:42:20.460 You have Danveross and you have the DJ. 569 00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:23.039 The DJ has minimal interaction with anyone. 570 00:42:23.099 --> 00:42:24.539 He only interacts with Perry. 571 00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:25.019 Yeah. 572 00:42:25.019 --> 00:42:32.760 Davros interacts with Tasambika, Kara, Orsini, and the doctor, pretty much that's it. 573 00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:40.440 So they're kind of apart from the plot, but they are then the linking element. 574 00:42:40.500 --> 00:42:41.340 We come back to them. 575 00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:46.800 We see what their reaction is to what's going on and then we cut to somewhere else at their bidding. 576 00:42:46.860 --> 00:42:52.679 Like the DJ goes, hey, we've got a lady approaching, you know, and we'd go see what the doctor and Perry are doing. 577 00:42:52.739 --> 00:42:54.659 It actually helps. 578 00:42:55.619 --> 00:43:05.519 You make sure that you don't kind of get plot whiplash from going from plot to plot to plot plot because you've got a moment to breathe and go, okay, we were there. 579 00:43:05.579 --> 00:43:08.639 This is what we're meant to think about that, and now we're going here. 580 00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:11.099 Now, of course, the ending is freeze frame. 581 00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:14.400 Because the doctor was going to say, Blackpool. 582 00:43:14.460 --> 00:43:21.960 I'll take you to Blackpool, but never gets to say the word Blackpool, because that was going to be the next story, the 1st of season 23. 583 00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:27.719 I actually think it's very effective that it ends on a sort of cliffhanger. 584 00:43:27.780 --> 00:43:28.860 Where's he going to take her? 585 00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:30.239 Yeah, who knows? 586 00:43:30.300 --> 00:43:32.159 Okinos, Florana. 587 00:43:32.219 --> 00:43:39.119 But it comes back to this thing, the fact that there wasn't going to be a cliffhanger, and it was just a given that they were going on. 588 00:43:39.179 --> 00:43:41.400 Yeah, yeah, they just thought they were going on. 589 00:43:41.460 --> 00:43:46.440 And of course, we'll discuss this more in our in our missing season podcast. 590 00:43:46.500 --> 00:43:54.179 Yeah, so the 1st story was going to be the Nightmare Fair by Graham Williams with the Return of the Celestial Toy Maker at Blackpool Pier. 591 00:43:54.179 --> 00:44:02.340 It has been made by Big Finish now, and we'll be discussing the big finish recordings of the missing stories as well as talking about the missing stories themselves. 592 00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:08.940 But yeah, there's a good 10 or 12 scripts that were in various stages of development. 593 00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:14.940 Like, A lot of the things we've criticised, John Nathan Turner and Eric Saywood 4. 594 00:44:15.179 --> 00:44:17.340 For season 23, they were actually trying to address. 595 00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:21.239 There was already going to be less violence, more humour. 596 00:44:21.300 --> 00:44:27.480 They had, as I say, about 12 stories in various stages of development. 597 00:44:27.539 --> 00:44:36.840 So if something fell through, it could be pulled, Eric Sayward didn't want to do time lash, but John Nathan Turner was like, well, we don't have anything else. 598 00:44:36.900 --> 00:44:38.639 We're going to have to do it. 599 00:44:38.699 --> 00:44:43.320 And no, you don't have the time or money to commission someone new and you're working on your own script. 600 00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:47.219 So they were trying to avoid that problem in future. 601 00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:52.139 So it's so frustrating that really, while the ratings had dipped slightly. 602 00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:57.780 It wasn't that bad that the show had to be cancelled, and they were already addressing the criticisms. 603 00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:02.159 Which were the reasons they were given for being cancelled. 604 00:45:02.219 --> 00:45:04.079 And it was demonstrable. 605 00:45:04.139 --> 00:45:07.139 They could have turned up at a meeting and said, look, these are our new stories. 606 00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:18.599 Their heads at the BBC, not Michael Gray, obviously, as controller, but head of serials had read the Nightmare Fair and Mission to Magnus and liked the scripts and commented on the improved amount of humour. 607 00:45:18.659 --> 00:45:27.420 I don't think Mission to Magnus was actually at a script level at that point because it was only commissioned 10 days before the show was axed, right? 608 00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:30.000 Nightmare fair existed, right? 609 00:45:30.059 --> 00:45:30.840 As a full script. 610 00:45:30.900 --> 00:45:40.199 And the others, we mentioned in a previous podcast, but mission to magnus and the ultimate evil was still getting written or just about to be written. 611 00:45:40.260 --> 00:45:43.139 But that's the 1st time I've actually heard that sort of thing. 612 00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:47.280 Colin has said, you know, they were going to make it a better relationship and maybe they were going to adjust certain things. 613 00:45:47.340 --> 00:45:54.900 But in my mind, it's still like if they'd received no criticism from their BBC and just said you're getting another series and we're going ahead, would Eric have taken it? 614 00:45:55.619 --> 00:46:00.300 As a fater complete that he can keep ongoing in this direction? 615 00:46:00.780 --> 00:46:01.260 That's right. 616 00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:10.980 But, in examination, this story, I think a lot of the so-called issues, I think he's addressed, whether or not other writers have that ability to do so, I don't know. 617 00:46:11.039 --> 00:46:17.699 We at least know when it does come back after the hiatus, the relationship between the doctor and Perry is completely addressed. 618 00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:18.420 Yeah. 619 00:46:18.420 --> 00:46:18.780 Yeah. 620 00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:19.860 Or it gets one story. 621 00:46:19.860 --> 00:46:22.980 Well, it's horribly wrong, but it is like in mysterious planet. 622 00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:23.820 They're good together. 623 00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:25.500 And I think here they're good together. 624 00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:28.320 And I think they're good together a lot earlier than here. 625 00:46:28.380 --> 00:46:28.920 That's just me. 626 00:46:28.980 --> 00:46:32.519 Time for our Jenny Laird awards for most puzzling creative choice. 627 00:46:32.579 --> 00:46:34.079 For me, it's. 628 00:46:36.420 --> 00:46:38.820 It's got to be Pennant Roberts. 629 00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:40.500 Because... 630 00:46:40.500 --> 00:46:45.360 He chooses 3 really great cast members. 631 00:46:45.420 --> 00:46:51.960 Like, I still think Paul Darrow, George Chandler, and Robert Ashby give excellent performances in Time Lash. 632 00:46:52.019 --> 00:46:54.000 Also, Dean Hollingsworth is the Android. 633 00:46:54.059 --> 00:46:54.960 I love the Android. 634 00:46:55.019 --> 00:46:55.860 I think that's really well done. 635 00:46:55.920 --> 00:47:07.619 And then the rest of the cast, he just kind of fills with pretty nondescript people who, there's even moments in episode 2 where you can't hear what cats is saying. 636 00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:09.780 You know, she's just kind of mumbling her way through. 637 00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:13.980 So yeah, my puzzling creative choice has to go to Pennant Roberts for his supporting cast. 638 00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:18.539 I just, I don't understand because he's usually done a pretty good job of casting up until now. 639 00:47:18.599 --> 00:47:32.940 I think my surprising creative choice is the heavy reliance on cannibalism as a story element. this season, 3 of the stories feature some form of cannibalism. 640 00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:35.039 Oh, that's true. discuss that with Revelation. 641 00:47:35.099 --> 00:47:37.800 And also, Eric Saywood claims he's never seen Silent Green. 642 00:47:37.860 --> 00:47:38.400 Right. 643 00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:38.880 Yeah. 644 00:47:38.940 --> 00:47:47.579 Yeah, so in Revelation, they're mulching the bodies of the near dead in order to feed the galaxy, which is kind of fun. delicious. 645 00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:51.780 No, apparently it doesn't taste very good. 646 00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:53.820 They say it in dialogue. a little bit disappointing. 647 00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:55.440 It would have been great. is delicious. 648 00:47:55.500 --> 00:47:56.340 Yeah, the concept is pretty good. 649 00:47:56.400 --> 00:48:00.059 We have shockeye, the corns and grig, of course. 650 00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:03.840 And then we have those 2 charming gentlemen in nappies on vengeance on Varos. 651 00:48:04.019 --> 00:48:07.739 So that is a strange creative choice. 652 00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:21.599 And I guess, I guess it is, say, it's moved towards the grotesque, which is not quite skilled enough to pull off without being unnecessarily revolting, but which I do think eventually pays off in this story. 653 00:48:21.659 --> 00:48:22.980 So cannibals. 654 00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:26.699 Mine is the nappy men. 655 00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:31.619 I just don't understand why. 656 00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:34.440 They're hideous, aren't they? 657 00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:36.480 Right. 658 00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:38.579 Okay, pics of the week. 659 00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:43.260 I haven't plugged the new book for a couple of weeks hating to love, so do buy that. 660 00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:47.699 But my actual pick of this season is totally tasteless. 661 00:48:47.699 --> 00:48:49.860 The life of John Nathan Turner by Richard Marson. 662 00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:57.659 Now, this is essentially the same book as The Life and Scandalous Times of John Nathan Turner, the previous edition. 663 00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:10.380 This new edition includes entries from Richard Masters diary and emails he sent and received in response to the surprising and controversial content of the 1st edition. 664 00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:22.440 So this is only available in hardback because it has several sections of colour photos from the Nathan Turner and Downey estate as well as other sources. 665 00:49:22.500 --> 00:49:31.739 I'm only about halfway through it at the moment, but it is a fascinating read, and it does offer a bit of an insight into the man. 666 00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:33.960 I'm not up to where he's working on Doctor Who yet. 667 00:49:34.019 --> 00:49:36.840 So I'm hoping to talk a bit more about that next season. 668 00:49:36.900 --> 00:49:38.820 But yeah, totally tasteless. 669 00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:41.519 The life of John Nathan Turner. 670 00:49:41.579 --> 00:49:44.400 I've already recommended the loved one by Evelyn Warr. 671 00:49:44.460 --> 00:49:49.860 I think it's utterly brilliant and anyone who enjoyed this story, I think, will enjoy that even more. 672 00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:53.280 It's really clever and horrifically nasty. 673 00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:59.940 The last sentence is one of the most appalling things that I've ever read in a book anywhere. 674 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:03.179 It's really funny and really, really deeply awful. 675 00:50:03.239 --> 00:50:06.360 So I think that you should all go out and buy that. 676 00:50:06.420 --> 00:50:11.219 But I want to recommend just so that I can put it in the show notes because I forgot about it last week. 677 00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:23.039 There's a review of the DVD release of the 2 doctors, which is vastly more negative about the story than we were, but is really funny and really insightful. 678 00:50:23.099 --> 00:50:33.719 And it's by Dr. Graham Nelson, who also wrote a terrific review for another online publication of the Blake 7 DVD release of series 3. 679 00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:45.420 But he's the inventor of a computer programming language called Inform, which allows you to write text adventures, he's a poet and a mathematician. 680 00:50:45.480 --> 00:51:02.639 He's a very, very clever man who really shouldn't be slumming, uh, slumming it, writing reviews of Doctor Who, but his review of the 2 doctors is is spectacularly good, and brutally negative, if you thought that our love in about the 2 doctors was altogether too complimentary. 681 00:51:02.699 --> 00:51:04.019 It was rather surprising. 682 00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:06.480 You can make up for it by reading this review. 683 00:51:06.539 --> 00:51:13.079 It's really good Well, 1st of all, I'm not going to just go straight to my pick of the week. 684 00:51:13.139 --> 00:51:24.840 I do want to thank the team here. for inviting me onto the podcast because I was asked to do the Colin Baker era and Watching this season again is reinforced. 685 00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:25.199 What? 686 00:51:25.260 --> 00:51:29.340 I love him, and I love the 6th doctor, and I love adore this season. 687 00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:36.000 I adore Tom's 1st season adore John's and this season is why he became my favourite doctor. 688 00:51:36.059 --> 00:51:40.139 I just can't express my gratitude to you and to Colin. 689 00:51:40.380 --> 00:51:43.380 Because I just adore him. throughout all of this. 690 00:51:43.500 --> 00:51:46.739 So my pick of the week goes like this. 691 00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:48.480 Ignore fan wisdom. 692 00:51:48.599 --> 00:51:51.179 Come back and watch season 22. 693 00:51:51.300 --> 00:51:52.139 That's my pick of the week. 694 00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:58.260 Ignore, Violence, arguments, pacing. 695 00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:07.440 Because I think, for me, we've discovered a whole lot more to Colin, to Nicola, and to other elements in this season, and maybe they didn't get it all right. 696 00:52:07.500 --> 00:52:13.619 But Doctor Who is not perfect, and I love those imperfections, and I love what this season is delivered for me. 697 00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:16.019 Season 22 is my pick of the week. 698 00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:53.699 Well, dear listeners, we take off for an uncertain future, as, for the next few weeks, we will be having a number of special episodes, including our long awaited commentary track on the enemy of the world, and you still have a little bit of time to vote on your John Pertwee story for commentary choice. 699 00:52:53.760 --> 00:53:00.059 Your choices are, Spearhead from Space, the Mutants, the 3 Doctors, and Death to the Daleks. 700 00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:16.739 Also, don't forget our upcoming Big Finnish special, for which you will probably want to listen to, Jubilee, the one doctor, Doctor Who, and the Pirates, and in a slight change, Richard has decided he would rather us look at the last adventure rather than crisscross. 701 00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:23.880 Now, uh, the last adventure is a box set of 4 stories, so we'll be mainly focussing on the last story in that, the brink of death. 702 00:53:23.940 --> 00:53:28.739 If you have already bought crisscross, I do apologise, I do hope you enjoy it. 703 00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:34.440 I certainly picked it up last week and it's still very good, but we'll be discussing the last adventure instead. 704 00:53:34.500 --> 00:53:37.139 All of which are available from bigfinish.com. 705 00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:46.500 You can keep up to date with everything related to flight through entirety on our website, flight through entirety.sexy, flight through entirety on Facebook and iTunes and at FTE podcast on Twitter. 706 00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:48.239 Over on Bondfinger. 707 00:53:48.300 --> 00:53:54.480 You can also find all of our Roger Moore, David Niven, George Lazenby, and Sean Connery, commentaries there as well. 708 00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:59.039 Until next time, may none of you feel consumer resistance from eating your own relatives. 709 00:53:59.099 --> 00:54:00.539 Thank you very much for listening good night. 710 00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:01.380 Good night. 711 00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:02.340 See you soon. 712 00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:13.139 That was Fight Through Entirety with Todd BLB, Nathan Bottomley and Brendan Jones. 713 00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:15.300 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb. 714 00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:20.460 This episode, famous miserable bastard, was recorded on February the 11th, 2017. 715 00:54:20.699 --> 00:54:23.099 The next episode will be released on March 12th. 716 00:54:23.219 --> 00:54:30.000 If Davrox did make everyone a supreme Dalek, but that finally answered the question of whether pineapple belongs at a pizza. 717 00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:36.539 How old's Olivia Coleman? 718 00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:38.519 She's in her 40s. 719 00:54:38.699 --> 00:54:41.519 So she's not too old to play the doctor. 720 00:54:42.900 --> 00:54:56.699 I know these people are doing all this speculation online and saying, no, no woman, no woman, but I reckon, to get headlines and to get everybody back interested, they should, he should cast her at least for one season. 721 00:54:56.760 --> 00:54:58.920 She's so good She's so good.