WEBVTT

NOTE
This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 13:46:07

1
00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:08.279
Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the only Doctor Who commentary podcast coming to you live from a bunker underneath Australia.

2
00:00:08.339 --> 00:00:09.179
Hungary?

3
00:00:09.240 --> 00:00:09.720
Where are we?

4
00:00:09.779 --> 00:00:10.259
I don't know.

5
00:00:10.320 --> 00:00:10.800
I am Brendan.

6
00:00:10.859 --> 00:00:12.480
I'm Nathan I'm relieved.

7
00:00:13.380 --> 00:00:15.480
I'm disappointed.

8
00:00:15.539 --> 00:00:16.739
It's not the massacre.

9
00:00:17.460 --> 00:00:20.460
But it is still a story about duplicates.

10
00:00:20.519 --> 00:00:24.300
This is our long-awaited commentary on the enemy of the world.

11
00:00:24.359 --> 00:00:28.440
Your code word in a moment is going to be swan dive.

12
00:00:28.500 --> 00:00:37.140
So when I say that, press play on your copy, we're watching the iTunes copy, but you can watch the DVD edition as well.

13
00:00:37.200 --> 00:00:38.700
So are you ready?

14
00:00:38.700 --> 00:00:44.520
Of course none of us could be asked to buy the DVD that we've all mysteriously lost our copies, haven't we?

15
00:00:44.700 --> 00:00:46.679
Yeah, isn't that isn't that ironic, right?

16
00:00:46.740 --> 00:00:50.640
We all have... volcano somewhere in Australia.

17
00:00:50.700 --> 00:00:51.479
Yeah.

18
00:00:51.539 --> 00:00:57.899
I think the only one of us who knows where his DVD is is Todd, who was already driving here by the time I realised I couldn't find mine.

19
00:00:57.960 --> 00:01:02.219
So without any further ado, dear listener, swan dive.

20
00:01:03.659 --> 00:01:05.760
Oh, Doctor Who theme.

21
00:01:05.819 --> 00:01:09.599
Isn't that, what, they're bringing Pierce Brosnan back at Dublin.

22
00:01:09.659 --> 00:01:14.340
It does sound like a sort of modern bond. as the newborn.

23
00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:15.840
Jane Bond.

24
00:01:15.900 --> 00:01:18.420
No, no, it's Gillian Anderson.

25
00:01:18.480 --> 00:01:27.180
So I'm relieved that for this podcast, I'm not sitting between Richard and Nathan after the harassment that went down on the keys of Mariners.

26
00:01:27.239 --> 00:01:29.280
Your knees got a lot of attention, I seem to recall.

27
00:01:29.340 --> 00:01:33.780
My knees, my ears, my, you know, whatever my comments.

28
00:01:33.840 --> 00:01:36.120
My everything. episode one.

29
00:01:36.180 --> 00:01:40.500
David Whittaker. memory of that commentary at all. don't know why.

30
00:01:40.560 --> 00:01:43.379
Climate change, this is what Australian beaches look like.

31
00:01:43.439 --> 00:01:45.060
No memory of the earth.

32
00:01:47.640 --> 00:01:54.959
Yeah, now, this, of course, is one of 2 stories that was recovered from Zambia, I think.

33
00:01:56.939 --> 00:01:59.340
Or Nigeria, by Philip Morris.

34
00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:08.159
And I just remember, uh, this came out, I think it was October because Todd, you bought me an iTunes gift card for my birthday to buy these.

35
00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:15.120
And I just remember getting chills watching them step out of the Tartars.

36
00:02:15.180 --> 00:02:16.860
Now this sequence here.

37
00:02:16.919 --> 00:02:24.300
The doctor is just scripted to take off his boots and paddle and Pat said to Barry Letts, they've worked together before.

38
00:02:24.360 --> 00:02:29.340
Oh, you know, wouldn't it be fun if I just stripped off to my long jobs and dove right in?

39
00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:32.759
It's so lovely.

40
00:02:32.819 --> 00:02:33.360
Look at him.

41
00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:35.580
He gets to do physical comedy and...

42
00:02:35.580 --> 00:02:36.900
He's so joyous.

43
00:02:36.900 --> 00:02:39.599
And, uh, Matt Smith.

44
00:02:39.719 --> 00:02:44.039
He reminds me of Matt Smith, the joy that he brings when he's the doctor, just that look he gets on the face.

45
00:02:44.099 --> 00:02:44.759
Look, there it is now.

46
00:02:44.819 --> 00:02:47.520
Like, you know, and he's, oh, yeah.

47
00:02:47.580 --> 00:02:50.099
I like to think, oh, isn't it great?

48
00:02:50.159 --> 00:02:58.199
The very the very 1st Barry Letts thing is actually that he directs or associated with the program is it does have a hover craft in it.

49
00:02:58.259 --> 00:03:00.599
It ran over Terry Walsh.

50
00:03:00.659 --> 00:03:02.099
That would be fantastic.

51
00:03:02.159 --> 00:03:05.039
Well, skin type, fleshy coloured...

52
00:03:05.039 --> 00:03:05.520
What's he doing?

53
00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:06.659
He's insane.

54
00:03:06.659 --> 00:03:08.939
Roll necks with slightly...

55
00:03:09.060 --> 00:03:12.240
And pervy men on the beach.

56
00:03:12.300 --> 00:03:13.620
They're checking out.

57
00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:15.000
I think they're looking at Jamie.

58
00:03:15.419 --> 00:03:15.599
Yeah.

59
00:03:15.659 --> 00:03:16.379
Well, those legs.

60
00:03:17.699 --> 00:03:20.460
No, I think they're definitely checking out.

61
00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:22.199
Actually, you know what?

62
00:03:22.259 --> 00:03:23.879
What, don't say it?

63
00:03:23.939 --> 00:03:25.740
He's he's no slouch.

64
00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:32.879
There is a photo of him topless, hugging Fraser on location in abominable snowman and you go, oh, hello.

65
00:03:32.939 --> 00:03:36.360
Then you realise who it is and then you realise you have to go and stop yourself right now.

66
00:03:36.419 --> 00:03:39.840
It's like, it's like you suddenly go, oh, okay.

67
00:03:39.900 --> 00:03:43.740
So suddenly Christopher Eccleston isn't the 1st doctor I had sexual feelings for.

68
00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:45.479
It's like, no, that's the 3 musketeers.

69
00:03:45.539 --> 00:03:47.099
Could you imagine Billy doing that?

70
00:03:47.159 --> 00:03:48.840
And he's married.

71
00:03:48.840 --> 00:03:49.919
Pete showing how she got the part?

72
00:03:49.979 --> 00:03:52.020
It was a Malaysia Zoom.

73
00:03:52.080 --> 00:04:01.080
She almost turned it down because in the original script, she disappears after episode 4 and she said, no, it's such a glorious part.

74
00:04:01.139 --> 00:04:05.159
I'm not just disappearing and Barry Let's rewrote the last 2 episodes.

75
00:04:05.219 --> 00:04:10.919
So he could secure her. type girl, didn't we?

76
00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:12.300
She was.

77
00:04:12.419 --> 00:04:21.600
They make Victoria such a damsel in distress in this season that they have these alternative female strong characters in a run of stories and of course she's one of them.

78
00:04:21.660 --> 00:04:23.819
And the marvellous one next story as well.

79
00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:25.920
It's not very fair. the weather fair?

80
00:04:25.980 --> 00:04:26.819
Yeah, is it Anne Travers?

81
00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:27.660
Yeah, yeah.

82
00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:31.139
It's not very fair to Victoria at all to the Debbie, is it, really?

83
00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:33.779
Well, I mean, it is what it is, you know?

84
00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:35.339
I mean, do you think she would have been able to?

85
00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:38.040
Yeah, maybe the character wouldn't have been able to address it.

86
00:04:38.040 --> 00:04:40.139
But the way the character's written.

87
00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:40.980
Yeah, yeah.

88
00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:53.519
Because when when Debbie gets gutsy stuff to do, like the stuff with the gun in tube and there's a scene in this where she's really gutsy, she's actually really good, they just write her as a damsel.

89
00:04:53.579 --> 00:04:55.259
I think it comes back to what you were talking about, Richard.

90
00:04:55.319 --> 00:04:56.459
They were trying to sell it to the US.

91
00:04:56.579 --> 00:05:05.040
So it's like when they watered down the character of MRP or for the colour season of the Avengers. you know, it's like that's what women do on US television.

92
00:05:05.399 --> 00:05:06.959
Apparently.

93
00:05:07.019 --> 00:05:09.720
Well, his long joins must be self-drying.

94
00:05:10.079 --> 00:05:12.540
Special Gallifreyan technology.

95
00:05:13.079 --> 00:05:18.420
That's why those foam covered car seats are all worn out by the time Eccles got them.

96
00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:20.040
I mean, you know, all those damp patches.

97
00:05:20.100 --> 00:05:22.199
This hovercraft...

98
00:05:22.199 --> 00:05:27.839
Like a sea monster doctor. put it away It did run over its owner.

99
00:05:27.899 --> 00:05:32.399
One of the actors ran over the owner and I think broke his angle.

100
00:05:33.300 --> 00:05:37.860
Given them the idea for pertweed to run over Barry Letts, that one.

101
00:05:38.220 --> 00:05:40.139
Barry was up for it.

102
00:05:40.199 --> 00:05:41.399
Do you think he was like, that's his thing.

103
00:05:41.459 --> 00:05:44.939
I just think it's incredible that, you know, 18 months ago.

104
00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:58.920
Like Doctor Who was like on location, it was like a big thing to be on location and they were still, you know, with the smugglers was a big location shoot, like the 1st big one and now we're at this where we've got hovercrafts and we're going to have other things at a moment at seaside.

105
00:05:58.980 --> 00:06:06.000
It's, you know, it's just technology and filming techniques and how far it's come like within 2 years, isn't it?

106
00:06:06.060 --> 00:06:09.000
It was such a surprise to see it too, when it came.

107
00:06:09.060 --> 00:06:11.579
There's so much sort of length-ish location.

108
00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:12.839
There was going to be more.

109
00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:19.379
Martin Leesmore, who was the production assistant. wasn't he the JNT all the time, but he had to simplify it, Todd, isn't it, right?

110
00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:20.879
There was going to be more...

111
00:06:20.879 --> 00:06:23.160
Twice scattered through the the 6 episodes.

112
00:06:23.220 --> 00:06:30.420
It would have been great, but it makes this 1st episode really just stand out as something that money's thrown at.

113
00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:30.660
Really?

114
00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:31.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

115
00:06:31.740 --> 00:06:35.040
And really, you can't the rest of the season.

116
00:06:35.100 --> 00:06:38.220
You know, this just nails it and supports it, doesn't it?

117
00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:50.100
Well, we'd said at the time, I think, when we were doing our regular run of episodes at this, well, I might have mentioned that I find this season rather time. despite it's um it's incredible reputation.

118
00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:51.600
Have you got your bingo cards?

119
00:06:51.600 --> 00:06:58.319
But I think this is probably the best story of the season and maybe the best trail.

120
00:06:58.379 --> 00:07:01.379
Yeah, it, I think there was a consensus.

121
00:07:01.439 --> 00:07:07.199
Obviously not everyone, but a strong consensus, when these 2 stories came back, this and the web of fear.

122
00:07:07.259 --> 00:07:09.300
People kind of went, wow, who knew this was the good one?

123
00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:11.459
Yeah, yeah. was the other thing, wasn't it?

124
00:07:11.519 --> 00:07:13.319
Everyone expected the web of fear to be the best one.

125
00:07:13.379 --> 00:07:14.279
Not me.

126
00:07:15.180 --> 00:07:24.180
No, this has always been a dark horse, and I think the fact that it is so different from everything else that stands out, but it's even better than what you...

127
00:07:24.180 --> 00:07:26.879
He didn't say Brigadoon.

128
00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:28.800
Okay, the subtitles, dear listener.

129
00:07:28.860 --> 00:07:29.879
Say Brigadude.

130
00:07:29.939 --> 00:07:30.899
He says Crigantur.

131
00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:32.220
You changed it.

132
00:07:32.279 --> 00:07:33.000
Oh, God.

133
00:07:33.120 --> 00:07:35.879
Sorry, which is... sorry.

134
00:07:36.779 --> 00:07:39.240
Yeah, like, I mean, here we go.

135
00:07:39.300 --> 00:07:41.160
Like having a chopper.

136
00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:42.540
A chopper in this, you know?

137
00:07:45.300 --> 00:07:48.720
And Deborah's on record for saying this was absolutely terrifying.

138
00:07:48.779 --> 00:07:49.439
Yeah of course.

139
00:07:49.500 --> 00:07:51.000
Who was terrifying?

140
00:07:51.060 --> 00:07:52.980
Deborah. going up in this thing.

141
00:07:54.480 --> 00:07:56.220
That's it.

142
00:07:56.279 --> 00:08:02.819
No, they just, she just never knew whether her trousers or her skirt had been loosened, you know, before she got up.

143
00:08:02.879 --> 00:08:04.920
I love how she's...

144
00:08:06.300 --> 00:08:09.000
She's cosplaying as Jamie the story.

145
00:08:09.060 --> 00:08:10.139
Yeah, yeah, she is.

146
00:08:10.740 --> 00:08:12.240
Yes.

147
00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:14.699
This doesn't actually make very much sense, does it?

148
00:08:14.759 --> 00:08:19.560
I actually don't really understand what's going on here because they're her goons, aren't they?

149
00:08:19.620 --> 00:08:23.579
that are pursuing, like these people are on the same side as Mary.

150
00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:25.019
Yeah, yeah, but true.

151
00:08:25.079 --> 00:08:26.819
But she's a triple...

152
00:08:26.819 --> 00:08:27.480
Look at that shot.

153
00:08:27.540 --> 00:08:29.879
I mean, a year ago we would not have even had that.

154
00:08:29.939 --> 00:08:32.519
And they almost crashed the chopper because...

155
00:08:32.519 --> 00:08:39.179
Oh, Lord, because the pilot went up with the camera operator, but the camera operator didn't say, I'm going to lean out.

156
00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:45.120
So, like, they got about 20 feet off the ground and came down very quickly.

157
00:08:45.179 --> 00:08:50.879
So Barry Letts was on the other side leaning out the other side of the chopper to balance the weight.

158
00:08:50.940 --> 00:08:52.980
Wow, what a trooper.

159
00:08:53.039 --> 00:08:58.080
And this is how we know it's set in 2017 or 2018 is.

160
00:08:58.259 --> 00:08:58.740
Oh my goodness.

161
00:08:58.799 --> 00:08:59.519
I never seen that before.

162
00:08:59.580 --> 00:09:00.899
And no one knew.

163
00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:04.259
Friend of the podcast, Dallas Jones was incredibly excited about that.

164
00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:09.480
Like, the episode had been up on iTunes for an hour and he posted a screen grab saying, now we know when it's set.

165
00:09:09.539 --> 00:09:13.440
And it was that exciting too. only a year away.

166
00:09:13.500 --> 00:09:15.419
It's actually right now.

167
00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:16.620
It set right now.

168
00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:18.899
Okay, as we sit on this couch and speak.

169
00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:23.940
This stuff's happening in Cape Arrow just a few 1000 kilometres west of us.

170
00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:27.899
The only thing that got wrong is despite very loud orange people.

171
00:09:28.019 --> 00:09:29.700
It's not Mexico causing the problem.

172
00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:32.279
Yes.

173
00:09:32.340 --> 00:09:35.460
Do you think salamander is busy building a wall to keep the Americans out?

174
00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:36.299
at this point?

175
00:09:37.019 --> 00:09:40.679
Titan comics who have the rights for Doctor Who comics now.

176
00:09:40.740 --> 00:09:46.320
They've done a limited 5 issue pertwi comic, and in the 4th and 5th issues.

177
00:09:46.379 --> 00:09:48.240
It reveals the villain is salamander.

178
00:09:48.299 --> 00:09:49.980
He survives the end of this story.

179
00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:52.019
Spoiler alert.

180
00:09:52.139 --> 00:09:54.659
Well, but it's up on galafropase.

181
00:09:54.659 --> 00:09:58.259
And really, you should have bought it by now, dear listener.

182
00:09:58.320 --> 00:09:59.340
I haven't.

183
00:10:00.059 --> 00:10:02.879
It's Cornell, isn't it?

184
00:10:02.940 --> 00:10:03.779
It's so much fun.

185
00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:05.700
Yeah, it's it's so it's really good.

186
00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:07.620
But yeah, it's salamander at the mast.

187
00:10:08.159 --> 00:10:12.419
I'm so pleased that they can numb overload helicopter.

188
00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:17.039
I do love Jamie and Victoria's reactions.

189
00:10:17.039 --> 00:10:25.740
Because, you know, Jamie's sitting a lot of stuff, but still, I want to see Mary zip up her helmet, which would completely cover her nose and mouth. used to have a hoodie like that.

190
00:10:25.799 --> 00:10:30.179
Yes, it's amazing that Victoria and Jamie are coping so well with this being both out of time.

191
00:10:30.299 --> 00:10:31.679
Yeah.

192
00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:32.879
But I mean, budget.

193
00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:36.840
They are very thinly characterised though, aren't they?

194
00:10:36.899 --> 00:10:37.799
At this point.

195
00:10:37.860 --> 00:10:39.299
It's Gillian and John, really.

196
00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:40.259
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

197
00:10:40.320 --> 00:10:41.100
It really is.

198
00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:48.600
And I don't know for sure, but this may be the same chopper they end up using for a fury from the deep.

199
00:10:48.659 --> 00:10:53.639
But in Fury from the Deep, it's just a bit stupid, as I remember saying at the time.

200
00:10:53.700 --> 00:10:55.679
Make a zipper helmet off so she can't breathe.

201
00:10:55.740 --> 00:10:57.299
Who stupid?

202
00:10:57.360 --> 00:10:58.620
Who directed the invasion?

203
00:10:58.679 --> 00:10:59.399
we know?

204
00:10:59.460 --> 00:11:00.360
Dr. Campfield?

205
00:11:00.419 --> 00:11:01.320
Oh of course he did.

206
00:11:01.500 --> 00:11:03.720
Oh, hello.

207
00:11:03.779 --> 00:11:04.679
And my dear.

208
00:11:04.740 --> 00:11:06.179
Where's the kitchen?

209
00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:08.700
She's like an oven basting chook, isn't she?

210
00:11:08.759 --> 00:11:10.500
It's got the same layer of elf oil underneath.

211
00:11:10.919 --> 00:11:14.159
Pat's really enjoying taking her clothes.

212
00:11:14.220 --> 00:11:16.019
There's a lot of that in this.

213
00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:17.460
Well, it is carry-on doctors.

214
00:11:17.519 --> 00:11:21.539
Yeah, this scene is beautiful because she flirts outrageously with him and he loves it.

215
00:11:22.980 --> 00:11:26.639
I think that's possibly the actor rather than the character.

216
00:11:26.700 --> 00:11:31.379
Because, you know, he did have his 2 wives and that's quite public now we can talk about that.

217
00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:33.899
Those whom we know.

218
00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:39.779
The 2 different families, like the sons from the 2 different families talk about what it was like and stuff.

219
00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:43.919
And both of them have been in Doctor Who recently.

220
00:11:45.419 --> 00:11:47.879
Yeah, here he is at Christmas.

221
00:11:47.940 --> 00:11:49.679
Pat's flirting now.

222
00:11:49.740 --> 00:11:59.100
You know that, well, Pat was making several loud noises about the complexities he was having, you know, pre-filming for the next story while recording current ones.

223
00:11:59.159 --> 00:12:01.860
So he turns out he was even busier than all of us knew.

224
00:12:03.360 --> 00:12:04.139
They have great chemistry.

225
00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:05.159
Oh, they do.

226
00:12:05.220 --> 00:12:06.000
They really do.

227
00:12:06.059 --> 00:12:07.799
I mean, Mary Peach is such a great actress.

228
00:12:08.519 --> 00:12:12.059
Victoria and Jamie look like brother and sister here.

229
00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:19.320
Now, dear listener, if you can hear that, there are construction works going on next to me, so we do apologise.

230
00:12:19.440 --> 00:12:20.460
We're just going to bear through.

231
00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:22.740
We'd edit this out normally.

232
00:12:22.860 --> 00:12:23.279
Yeah.

233
00:12:23.340 --> 00:12:26.879
It's actually just Nathan grinding his teeth because he's finding it tires.

234
00:12:26.940 --> 00:12:27.960
No, I'm not.

235
00:12:28.019 --> 00:12:29.340
That's why I'm grinding my tea.

236
00:12:31.019 --> 00:12:32.820
Oh dear.

237
00:12:32.879 --> 00:12:34.019
Not careful.

238
00:12:34.019 --> 00:12:35.639
You're not careful.

239
00:12:35.700 --> 00:12:40.679
I induce a exposition comb. think we're free of those in this story.

240
00:12:40.740 --> 00:12:45.600
I had completely forgotten about the exposition comb run until you brought it up the other week.

241
00:12:45.659 --> 00:12:47.100
I was so pleased.

242
00:12:47.159 --> 00:12:48.779
I even snuck it into the show notes.

243
00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:49.980
Richard.

244
00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:53.100
You are looking meaningfully at Lawrence Miles and Town.

245
00:12:53.159 --> 00:12:54.059
I am looking at the little notes.

246
00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:58.679
I'm just very interested to see that Peter Diamond played salamand at salamander in certain moments.

247
00:12:59.279 --> 00:13:05.159
But, you know, you were just talking about the helicopter sequence and how absolutely terrifying it all was for everyone.

248
00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:12.299
Um, Yeah, but the stock footage of, you see, helicopters is actually from Russia with love.

249
00:13:12.360 --> 00:13:14.279
So it's a nice crossover to Bondfingers.

250
00:13:14.340 --> 00:13:15.120
Yes, that's right.

251
00:13:15.179 --> 00:13:21.360
And I believe the sea devils uses helicopter footage from a bond film as well.

252
00:13:21.419 --> 00:13:25.919
I think that's why the helicopter changes completely between sharks.

253
00:13:25.980 --> 00:13:26.340
Yes.

254
00:13:26.340 --> 00:13:31.799
Yeah, I mean, given that it's exploding here, it doesn't really matter.

255
00:13:31.860 --> 00:13:35.460
It's a different helicopter. one exploding helicopter looks much like another, you might say.

256
00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:36.299
I heard that.

257
00:13:36.360 --> 00:13:44.639
Now, of course, this is Barry Lett's 1st involvement with the program and he would go on to become producer, of course, and continue directing for the show.

258
00:13:44.700 --> 00:13:51.779
However, he initially came to the attention of the production team as a potential writer.

259
00:13:51.840 --> 00:14:01.500
He pitched stories to Jerry Davis, including a story about a race of humanoids evolving into insectoid creatures.

260
00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:02.700
He pitched the mutants.

261
00:14:02.759 --> 00:14:03.480
Wow.

262
00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:07.080
What a great topic for a podcast.

263
00:14:07.259 --> 00:14:09.059
Shut up, Richard.

264
00:14:09.059 --> 00:14:11.220
We'll be announcing...

265
00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:12.240
Oh, look at that wallpaper.

266
00:14:12.299 --> 00:14:13.440
Fantastic.

267
00:14:13.500 --> 00:14:16.200
It's kind of the 3 musketeers in space, isn't it?

268
00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:18.000
so far without the Oh hello.

269
00:14:18.059 --> 00:14:21.539
I think he's stolen that beard from the judges back in Keys and Mariners.

270
00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:23.220
That's a podcast.

271
00:14:23.279 --> 00:14:24.659
Oh.

272
00:14:24.659 --> 00:14:26.159
Ow.

273
00:14:26.220 --> 00:14:27.120
That really hurts.

274
00:14:27.779 --> 00:14:30.480
And I'm just looking at the wallpaper.

275
00:14:30.539 --> 00:14:32.039
It is fabulous.

276
00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:37.259
Now, I remember when we were watching this rod was just joygasming over the chairs.

277
00:14:37.379 --> 00:14:39.419
He likes a bit of chair.

278
00:14:39.539 --> 00:14:40.679
It doesn't show no.

279
00:14:40.799 --> 00:14:41.759
So r show, aren't they?

280
00:14:41.820 --> 00:14:42.779
Sorry, you mean that?

281
00:14:42.779 --> 00:14:48.000
No, it doesn't shoot from studio to location, I'm afraid.

282
00:14:51.539 --> 00:14:54.480
It's been like that Monty Python sketch.

283
00:14:54.539 --> 00:14:56.100
We're completely surrounded by film.

284
00:14:59.940 --> 00:15:03.899
They keep it ducking into the dunes and behind.

285
00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:05.700
Oh, look at that shot. tissues.

286
00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:07.440
Oh, hello.

287
00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:08.759
Right up to Barry Litz.

288
00:15:08.820 --> 00:15:09.179
There we go.

289
00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:10.860
It'll it will too, Mary.

290
00:15:10.919 --> 00:15:12.059
It will. there it is.

291
00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:18.059
And you can see that it's a different canopy, but it doesn't really matter. because we have an exploding helicopter in Doctor Who.

292
00:15:18.179 --> 00:15:19.740
James Bond helicopter.

293
00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:20.940
So that's 2 people down for the count.

294
00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:22.259
Who is this guy?

295
00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:23.700
That's Ed Straker.

296
00:15:23.759 --> 00:15:25.860
Bill Kerr. is his name.

297
00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:27.539
He's Aussie, isn't he?

298
00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:28.080
Yeah, Aussie.

299
00:15:28.139 --> 00:15:30.360
Fresh from Tony Hancock's.

300
00:15:30.360 --> 00:15:31.019
Yes.

301
00:15:31.019 --> 00:15:33.000
Fabulous.

302
00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:34.259
Is it another Doctor Who's?

303
00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:35.639
I don't think so.

304
00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:39.899
He's just very familiar. covering up his man. manly bottom.

305
00:15:40.019 --> 00:15:43.740
He's one of those faces in the 60s he was in everything.

306
00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:50.460
Um, I love, I love I love this whole bit with Jamie and Victoria flanking the doctor.

307
00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:56.700
It just shows that these 3 when they're, especially for Victoria, when they're given a good script, they are such a great team and have such great chemistry.

308
00:15:56.759 --> 00:16:01.620
I like that bit of a joke about, like, they've been away, they've been on ice action. the last one.

309
00:16:04.679 --> 00:16:08.519
Yeah, now, Bill Kerr absolutely loved doing Doctor Who.

310
00:16:08.580 --> 00:16:15.899
There's another guest actor in this who we'll discuss later who hated working on Doctor Who and he saw it as slumming it.

311
00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:17.519
We'll talk about him when he appears.

312
00:16:17.580 --> 00:16:19.379
Is it Clive Swift again?

313
00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:20.820
It's not Clive Swift again.

314
00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:24.240
Here we go.

315
00:16:24.299 --> 00:16:33.899
Now, it's hard to tell, but they have even given him slight prosthetics to build up his cheekbones as salamander to try and make him look as different as possible.

316
00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:35.460
Yes, you can see it now.

317
00:16:35.519 --> 00:16:35.820
Yeah.

318
00:16:35.879 --> 00:16:39.600
But just the part in the hair and Oh, it's just so glorious.

319
00:16:39.659 --> 00:16:41.879
He is slightly blacked up, isn't he?

320
00:16:41.940 --> 00:16:43.919
And, well, yes, he does have a fake tan.

321
00:16:44.039 --> 00:16:47.399
And a severe side parting.

322
00:16:47.460 --> 00:16:50.340
So the parallels are astounding.

323
00:16:50.399 --> 00:16:52.200
Well, it is 2017, isn't it?

324
00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:56.460
anti, yes, the anti isn't just over the border.

325
00:16:56.519 --> 00:16:59.460
Except he believes in energy from the sun.

326
00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:07.500
At spoiler alert, he does have a little race of dum-dums hidden under the ground.

327
00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:12.240
Dumb, dumb white people, let's point out. very pale white people.

328
00:17:12.299 --> 00:17:18.480
But you know, 53% of some Amanda's voters in 2016 were white women.

329
00:17:18.539 --> 00:17:20.039
America?

330
00:17:20.099 --> 00:17:21.240
Oh, really?

331
00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:23.400
Well, in our universe, it's Trump.

332
00:17:23.460 --> 00:17:25.200
Yeah, 53%.

333
00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:30.539
Well, well, as as the doctor will shortly point out, he is quite handsome.

334
00:17:31.319 --> 00:17:35.519
Which, you know, you can't you can't say that's the reason for that.

335
00:17:35.579 --> 00:17:45.960
It's just so lovely to see Patrick doing a different character and knowing that his portrayal of the doctor is acting.

336
00:17:46.019 --> 00:17:47.220
Yeah, not just.

337
00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:50.460
Well, I mean, it's obviously himself, but acting as well, you know?

338
00:17:50.519 --> 00:17:54.299
So good at it at defining the difference between the two.

339
00:17:54.420 --> 00:17:57.539
Well, I mean, you get that with in the massacre, for goodness sake.

340
00:17:57.660 --> 00:17:59.339
The difference between the two.

341
00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:01.140
Is there a huge difference?

342
00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:02.400
Yeah, there is.

343
00:18:02.460 --> 00:18:05.579
I think we'll have to do the Green Death because of Pertwee's washerwoman.

344
00:18:07.259 --> 00:18:09.779
Todd's really nodding here.

345
00:18:09.839 --> 00:18:15.299
Well, the weird the weird thing is, um, Well, it will be for me.

346
00:18:15.779 --> 00:18:20.339
Pertwi is the only doctor of the 1st 5 not to have a doppelganger story.

347
00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:21.720
No, he does.

348
00:18:21.720 --> 00:18:26.759
He appears as a duplicate in what, Day of the Daleks, is it?

349
00:18:26.819 --> 00:18:29.220
Yeah, yeah, I suppose that's the closest it comes.

350
00:18:29.339 --> 00:18:30.240
Where, how, what?

351
00:18:30.299 --> 00:18:32.160
Don't they have that's a time duplicate.

352
00:18:32.220 --> 00:18:32.759
Oh, okay.

353
00:18:32.819 --> 00:18:37.680
I love how just then the doctor didn't ask Victoria if she found salamander attractive.

354
00:18:37.740 --> 00:18:38.460
He asked Jamie.

355
00:18:38.579 --> 00:18:42.599
Just pointing that out. movie was closer.

356
00:18:43.920 --> 00:18:45.660
In so many ways.

357
00:18:47.039 --> 00:18:48.960
Gosh, it's so good.

358
00:18:49.019 --> 00:18:50.940
So I sat here and ate cake.

359
00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:56.700
In my in my role next to my turtleneck. doesn't it show?

360
00:18:56.759 --> 00:19:00.960
I don't think you're allowed to be over 25 and just like get straight up from your face.

361
00:19:01.019 --> 00:19:02.039
It's not awesome.

362
00:19:02.099 --> 00:19:03.480
I do quite like the tack at that.

363
00:19:03.539 --> 00:19:04.200
Man bottom.

364
00:19:04.259 --> 00:19:04.740
Yeah, yeah.

365
00:19:04.799 --> 00:19:06.119
Have a drink, listen.

366
00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:08.579
Oh, hello.

367
00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:10.440
It's a young Vladimir Putin.

368
00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:11.279
It is true.

369
00:19:11.339 --> 00:19:13.500
Oh, and George W.

370
00:19:13.500 --> 00:19:13.799
Bush?

371
00:19:13.859 --> 00:19:14.940
I think bad tea.

372
00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:18.660
Do you know the YouTube guys, the French addicts?

373
00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:26.160
They watch Doctor Who, and they're French, and one of them, discovered the series and seen it all, and the other one hasn't.

374
00:19:26.279 --> 00:19:31.259
And so they were watching the new series and then they go back to the beginning and start watching various episodes.

375
00:19:31.259 --> 00:19:42.660
And one of the guys' reactions is just hilarious because when they do like the time meddler and like there's a TARDIS and and all these little, like the 3 doctors and like he's going, oh, it's, you know, hard on getting really excited, it's really wonderful.

376
00:19:42.660 --> 00:19:46.680
They should do this one just to see Patrick do these dual wrongs.

377
00:19:46.740 --> 00:19:47.700
Oh that's great.

378
00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:48.779
No, I haven't heard of that.

379
00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:49.680
Please do send this to me.

380
00:19:49.740 --> 00:19:50.339
I'm in space.

381
00:19:50.400 --> 00:19:52.140
Don't be rude.

382
00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:53.400
No, they speak in French.

383
00:19:53.460 --> 00:19:59.700
I don't understand a word, but just the excitement of him watching the different episodes.

384
00:19:59.759 --> 00:20:02.279
Doctor Who podcast enfonseis.

385
00:20:02.339 --> 00:20:03.839
We should do that.

386
00:20:03.900 --> 00:20:04.680
We should do that.

387
00:20:04.740 --> 00:20:05.880
I'll brush up.

388
00:20:05.940 --> 00:20:06.839
Je ne comre pas.

389
00:20:06.900 --> 00:20:07.740
What's trusting?

390
00:20:07.740 --> 00:20:10.980
Because it's a similar concept.

391
00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:12.180
It is a similar concept.

392
00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:14.519
Oh, they're beating us, you know.

393
00:20:14.579 --> 00:20:15.299
They're way ahead.

394
00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:17.400
They're a battlefield.

395
00:20:17.460 --> 00:20:17.940
Gosh.

396
00:20:17.940 --> 00:20:21.359
Dylan keeps quoting Gene Marr.

397
00:20:21.420 --> 00:20:22.680
And quite right too.

398
00:20:22.740 --> 00:20:24.059
She's fabulous.

399
00:20:24.119 --> 00:20:28.920
I love how they flatter the doctor here into doing it.

400
00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:32.339
He's so great, isn't he?

401
00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:33.299
He's so great.

402
00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:37.079
He's the best actor in the old series.

403
00:20:37.140 --> 00:20:48.539
And you wouldn't know he was so knackered, because as Richard was saying earlier, he, the filming before on the beach was in the middle of rehearsals for the Ice Warriors episode three, I believe.

404
00:20:48.599 --> 00:20:53.099
So they're having to do all that stuff with the Ice Warriors and then going off to film that.

405
00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:59.759
And it's not just, when you mentioned, the smugglers earlier, Todd, you know, they just kind of wander around, the story happens in studio.

406
00:20:59.819 --> 00:21:00.839
It's just for a bit of colour.

407
00:21:00.900 --> 00:21:04.920
But this was, and a supremely energetic shoot.

408
00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:07.259
And Barry Letts was very clever in that.

409
00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:08.880
I think he had 4 days to shoot it.

410
00:21:08.940 --> 00:21:13.859
He only required, and he only required the regulars for the 1st day and a half.

411
00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:20.220
And so he saved all... close-ups that didn't require their face.

412
00:21:20.279 --> 00:21:23.640
So hands, stuff from behind, that sort of thing.

413
00:21:23.700 --> 00:21:25.440
He saved that and used stand ins.

414
00:21:25.500 --> 00:21:26.279
Right, okay.

415
00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:30.839
Because he was aware of how Patrick was?

416
00:21:30.900 --> 00:21:31.380
Yeah exactly.

417
00:21:31.440 --> 00:21:33.599
And even though they had worked together before.

418
00:21:33.660 --> 00:21:37.680
They'd worked together as actors before, and Pat was actually a bit wary of Barry being a director now.

419
00:21:37.740 --> 00:21:42.960
Uh, whereas, um, Fraser was just, yeah, perfectly happy.

420
00:21:43.019 --> 00:21:50.759
Um, But Barry said he ran into a bit of problems with Pat getting them to stop playing cards to actually come to the studio to shoot things.

421
00:21:51.420 --> 00:21:53.400
All shouting at once.

422
00:21:54.960 --> 00:21:58.140
I love how he manoeuvres him into this.

423
00:21:58.200 --> 00:22:02.700
It just sets him up as not necessarily a hero very early on.

424
00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:05.700
A little less eccentric, brilliant.

425
00:22:06.660 --> 00:22:11.160
Considering what we see him wearing in the next episode, I think that's very cruel.

426
00:22:14.220 --> 00:22:15.900
Oh dear.

427
00:22:15.960 --> 00:22:18.119
He really is just such a pleasure to watch.

428
00:22:18.180 --> 00:22:19.380
I'd kind of forgotten.

429
00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:20.339
This is so awesome.

430
00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:26.039
And here we go.

431
00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:28.920
Oh, that's a great outfit.

432
00:22:28.980 --> 00:22:30.420
It's Reuben the Rooten.

433
00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:31.500
It's Reuben the Rooten.

434
00:22:31.559 --> 00:22:32.400
Is it?

435
00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:34.859
Yeah, it is, isn't it?

436
00:22:34.920 --> 00:22:35.940
Who, um...

437
00:22:35.940 --> 00:22:41.519
Who, uh, told Debbie Watling while he was working on this.

438
00:22:41.579 --> 00:22:43.319
This is the worst thing I've ever done.

439
00:22:43.380 --> 00:22:47.099
I'm certainly not coming back and I don't want to be asked.

440
00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:49.980
Well, obviously that changes when you're made into a big green blob.

441
00:22:50.039 --> 00:22:51.359
Yeah, he's fabulous.

442
00:22:51.420 --> 00:22:53.339
Yeah, yeah, he's good on this.

443
00:22:53.400 --> 00:23:00.180
I mean, the fact is he has to maintain a sort of just, I'm pissed off with everyone thing for 6 episodes.

444
00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:01.680
So maybe it's not...

445
00:23:01.740 --> 00:23:05.400
It's a very prototype Roger Delgado master outfit, isn't it?

446
00:23:08.460 --> 00:23:09.539
She looks very impressed.

447
00:23:09.660 --> 00:23:15.539
You know, a friend of the podcast, Dallas Jones, has his Anley master cosplay.

448
00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:16.859
If he ever took the gold off it.

449
00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:20.039
He could play Bruce from Bruce.

450
00:23:20.099 --> 00:23:20.579
Yeah.

451
00:23:20.640 --> 00:23:22.140
The accent.

452
00:23:22.140 --> 00:23:22.859
Are you doing that?

453
00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:24.240
He would have to shape that.

454
00:23:24.299 --> 00:23:25.859
I've never known Dallas not to have the beard.

455
00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:28.200
So yeah, probably best he sticks with the master.

456
00:23:31.259 --> 00:23:34.140
Given out, honestly, give an actor a prop.

457
00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:36.779
Look, he's just waving it about it everywhere.

458
00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:38.339
Rip the scenery apart with it.

459
00:23:38.339 --> 00:23:40.319
Maybe he's just a method.

460
00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:41.819
So he's just playing that.

461
00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:44.700
Actually, it's really, it's...

462
00:23:44.700 --> 00:23:46.559
What was his name, the buggery old root?

463
00:23:46.619 --> 00:23:47.759
Reuben.

464
00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:49.200
Reuben the Ruten.

465
00:23:50.579 --> 00:23:52.380
Oh, a hat.

466
00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:54.119
Why are you wearing that inside?

467
00:23:54.180 --> 00:23:55.799
You'd only get to mischief, you know that.

468
00:23:55.859 --> 00:23:56.880
Oh, hurrah.

469
00:23:57.000 --> 00:23:59.700
Oh, he's wearing a tactile neck.

470
00:24:00.420 --> 00:24:04.019
Did he did he jaffer up for this one?

471
00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:04.859
No.

472
00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:05.759
Tell, can we?

473
00:24:05.759 --> 00:24:06.299
Not yet.

474
00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:06.839
He will.

475
00:24:06.900 --> 00:24:08.039
A halub was.

476
00:24:09.119 --> 00:24:12.000
I'm Anstabler Blufffeld.

477
00:24:12.299 --> 00:24:15.420
It really is the bond we should have had all the time.

478
00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:18.180
It's a superb cliffhanger, too. very good.

479
00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:21.420
And definitely Barry's answer to Bond.

480
00:24:21.539 --> 00:24:27.059
Yeah, since everyone was more obsessed with that in the media than any other piece of entertainment at the time.

481
00:24:27.119 --> 00:24:40.319
The original script, um, Colin Douglas, unsurprisingly for writer David Whittaker, was apparently a lot wordier, and Barry took out not lots of words, but enough words to add in action sequences.

482
00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:42.720
Yeah, there wasn't much of pet, was there?

483
00:24:42.779 --> 00:24:43.500
It was Jamie.

484
00:24:43.680 --> 00:24:45.059
Next time.

485
00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:46.920
Yeah, next episode.

486
00:24:46.980 --> 00:24:47.700
Next time.

487
00:24:47.759 --> 00:24:49.259
Next time.

488
00:24:55.319 --> 00:24:58.319
Um, Yeah, so here we are with episode two.

489
00:24:58.380 --> 00:25:00.299
I like these opening credits.

490
00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:01.859
The beautiful, aren't they?

491
00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:03.119
Simple and modern.

492
00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:03.900
Like a butterfly.

493
00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:05.279
And the way that Pat appears.

494
00:25:05.339 --> 00:25:05.880
I think is...

495
00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:07.079
Like a spider with 8 eyes.

496
00:25:07.380 --> 00:25:09.779
Reassuring all the children.

497
00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:11.819
And it's still called Dr. Ohho, which is nice.

498
00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:12.539
A little bit.

499
00:25:12.599 --> 00:25:15.779
And these always reminded me of brains as a child.

500
00:25:17.579 --> 00:25:19.559
David Whitaker.

501
00:25:19.619 --> 00:25:21.240
It's beautiful.

502
00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:22.500
David Whittaker.

503
00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:25.980
I've just been watching Power of the Daleks colour.

504
00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:27.119
Oh, what's it like?

505
00:25:27.180 --> 00:25:30.119
Well, it's any version I've watched, so I really liked it.

506
00:25:31.140 --> 00:25:40.680
We went to the cinema and saw it in black and white with no cliffhangers or anything, and that was enjoyable, but, uh, Two people in front of us who wouldn't shut up.

507
00:25:40.740 --> 00:25:41.279
I know.

508
00:25:41.339 --> 00:25:42.839
Not many terrible people.

509
00:25:42.900 --> 00:25:45.960
I hope they listen to the podcast and they feel very bad about themselves.

510
00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:48.900
Oh dear.

511
00:25:49.140 --> 00:25:54.839
There's another thing, Barry Let's decided, was not to have much in the way of reprises.

512
00:25:54.900 --> 00:25:56.579
So here it's it was just one line.

513
00:25:56.640 --> 00:25:58.859
It was actually reshot. really neatly done.

514
00:25:58.920 --> 00:26:04.500
Was this going to be Janie and Victoria playing chess a lot?

515
00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:12.839
You know the script that Whitaker actually wanted to write and then progressed to the target novelisation and then he cruelly was with us no more.

516
00:26:12.900 --> 00:26:19.859
Ian Marta picked it up and had to redo it, but it was much more wordy and cerebral and non-visual in his bookish form.

517
00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:22.980
Did he write, he wrote the Crusades, didn't he?

518
00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:24.420
I loved that one, yes.

519
00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:27.900
Well, in his original...

520
00:26:28.140 --> 00:26:38.220
In his original script, because as we'll see, in, as we'll see coming up, Jamie becomes a rubber clad guard for a bit.

521
00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:44.220
In the original script, Victoria was going to become a guard as well, and the production team just kind of said, no, no, put her in the kitchen.

522
00:26:44.460 --> 00:26:45.779
Nice.

523
00:26:45.779 --> 00:26:48.240
Who's the producer of this one?

524
00:26:48.660 --> 00:26:51.720
I think we are still on Peter Bryant for this one.

525
00:26:51.779 --> 00:26:52.380
Okay.

526
00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:55.079
Yeah, I think in as Lloyd's gone now.

527
00:26:55.140 --> 00:26:56.640
Peter Bryant.

528
00:26:56.819 --> 00:26:59.579
Derek Sherwin, I believe.

529
00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:01.920
They are all interchanging around here.

530
00:27:01.980 --> 00:27:04.380
It's all like whatever jobs for the boys.

531
00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:05.099
We training people up.

532
00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:06.240
I can't even remember.

533
00:27:06.299 --> 00:27:07.440
No, I find it confusing.

534
00:27:07.500 --> 00:27:12.420
I'm not really up to speed on any of that in the 60s. really liked it.

535
00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:14.880
Oh, that's just fantastic.

536
00:27:14.940 --> 00:27:30.420
This was around the time where Derek Sherwin, who had his eyes on the producership anyway, despite the fact he was script editor, brought in Terence Dix as associate, um, junior unofficial associate, script...

537
00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:34.920
But it's all succession planning, which, you know, which is a good thing.

538
00:27:34.980 --> 00:27:36.000
Oh, I tell a lie.

539
00:27:36.059 --> 00:27:38.099
Story editor is still Peter Bryant at this stage.

540
00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:40.920
And producer is still in as Lloyd.

541
00:27:40.980 --> 00:27:52.440
So Derek Sherwin was the unofficial, unpaid, unannounced script editor and contacted Terence Dix during the production of this saying, when I become script editor, have it, you become my assistant.

542
00:27:52.500 --> 00:27:53.279
Okay.

543
00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:55.380
Yeah.

544
00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:58.440
It probably changes within a story or two.

545
00:27:58.500 --> 00:27:59.099
Oh, God, yeah.

546
00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:00.960
Actually, hold on.

547
00:28:01.019 --> 00:28:03.900
Let's have a look at the next story of her hair.

548
00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:06.119
Her hair reminds me of Lucille Ball.

549
00:28:06.180 --> 00:28:08.819
Yeah, it is. from here's Lucy.

550
00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:11.460
Well, of course, they're both wearing wigs.

551
00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:13.980
It's a Lego clip on piece of hair.

552
00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:14.700
It is.

553
00:28:14.700 --> 00:28:16.500
It's made of...

554
00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:19.319
I love Victoria's hair in this story.

555
00:28:19.380 --> 00:28:20.640
I just like the way it's been...

556
00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:21.779
It is, it's lovely.

557
00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:23.880
She's very, still very Alice in Wonderland.

558
00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:24.240
Yeah, yeah.

559
00:28:24.299 --> 00:28:25.559
She hasn't escaped that part at all.

560
00:28:25.619 --> 00:28:29.819
Bill Kearr's really chewing up this strange pictures there, isn't he?

561
00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:31.619
Oh, hand acting.

562
00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:34.680
I think he's do you think he's playing Jamie right now?

563
00:28:36.900 --> 00:28:38.940
He looks so much younger.

564
00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:40.740
Yeah, it's amazing, isn't it?

565
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:44.279
Not that he looked old, but I'm just saying he looked, he just looks younger.

566
00:28:44.339 --> 00:28:48.720
Well, maybe maybe maybe I mean sexier.

567
00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:51.779
Well, he...

568
00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:52.740
Oh, God.

569
00:28:52.859 --> 00:28:54.599
They lived up, didn't they?

570
00:28:54.660 --> 00:28:58.920
Oh, well, yeah, no, he enjoyed himself. 1986 when he passed away, he was 67.

571
00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:01.140
So, math is hard.

572
00:29:02.339 --> 00:29:05.759
I've got to say, I didn't look like that at 44.

573
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:07.799
He has more hair.

574
00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:11.700
Yeah, he's got more hair. more hair than me.

575
00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:18.420
She's not going to unzip any further, is she?

576
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:22.140
I mean, it must be must be having a bit of a brisk climate frisking.

577
00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:23.880
Australia of 2017.

578
00:29:24.059 --> 00:29:25.380
It's been very hot.

579
00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:30.779
I do like that even though I believe this is Villiers house, this external.

580
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:32.400
Even though...

581
00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:34.980
No, this is a factory.

582
00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:35.940
Do you have a plantary part?

583
00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:37.380
I do have a planetary pass.

584
00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:41.339
It's just thinking, I wish I'd brought it with me today, but it's in my desk drawer.

585
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:42.839
Oh good grief.

586
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:44.519
It's your castellan tot.

587
00:29:44.579 --> 00:29:45.720
It's my castellan.

588
00:29:45.779 --> 00:29:48.839
I think he looks like one of the lemon heads off adventure time.

589
00:29:49.380 --> 00:29:51.720
That's what that is, but anyway, he really does.

590
00:29:51.900 --> 00:29:54.599
What else is he apart from the castellan?

591
00:29:54.660 --> 00:29:55.680
Oh, his guy crave?

592
00:29:55.740 --> 00:29:57.420
Oh, yes, going.

593
00:29:57.480 --> 00:29:58.619
I've got my iPad up there.

594
00:29:58.980 --> 00:30:01.380
That is terrific, isn't it?

595
00:30:01.380 --> 00:30:02.099
So hideous.

596
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:04.259
He's really, really good though.

597
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:05.880
Really quite terrifying.

598
00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:09.059
Well, I mean, the hair, to begin with, and it is.

599
00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:14.160
I think he's actually like in terms of nastiness.

600
00:30:14.220 --> 00:30:16.440
He's a worse villain in this than salamander.

601
00:30:16.500 --> 00:30:17.460
Oh, yeah.

602
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:18.839
We should say we're talking about Milton John.

603
00:30:18.900 --> 00:30:19.980
Yes, yes, that's right.

604
00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:28.140
The wonderful Milton Johns, who, even when he is Guy Crayford, who's one of the biggest idiots ever in the history of the series, plays it really well.

605
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:30.599
I think his greatest calendar as well, isn't he?

606
00:30:30.660 --> 00:30:32.460
He must be really young here.

607
00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:36.779
Yeah, well, he looks really babyfaced, which is why the sadism thing works really well.

608
00:30:37.140 --> 00:30:38.880
Bates Motel.

609
00:30:39.660 --> 00:30:47.160
No, he looks very Plantagenet actually. there's a whole line of English leaders who look just like that. behave just like this too.

610
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:50.640
Look at that wonderful.

611
00:30:50.700 --> 00:30:53.400
Is that wallpaper or just some sort of grid mesh thing?

612
00:30:53.460 --> 00:30:54.299
Oil wallpaper?

613
00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:56.519
It's probably, it's probably, yeah, foil.

614
00:30:56.579 --> 00:31:01.680
Um, you know, anytime, is it a flat or is it a 3D sculptural piece?

615
00:31:01.740 --> 00:31:03.779
It's probably a flat because they're cheaper.

616
00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:07.140
Well, living in the future now.

617
00:31:07.980 --> 00:31:08.819
Thank God we're not wearing that.

618
00:31:08.940 --> 00:31:14.400
Well, I was going to say, I want my snazzy outfit and I want my pill popping wallpaper.

619
00:31:14.460 --> 00:31:15.240
Yes.

620
00:31:15.299 --> 00:31:18.480
Yeah, I'd decorate a house like that.

621
00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:20.579
There might be a few people in town tonight wearing this.

622
00:31:21.900 --> 00:31:25.500
You'll keep the rain off.

623
00:31:25.500 --> 00:31:29.039
We are recording this, dear listener, the day of the Mardi Gras parade.

624
00:31:29.099 --> 00:31:33.180
I'm not in it this year, but the wrestlers do have a float.

625
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:36.480
Is anyone in it or going standing on a milk crate?

626
00:31:36.539 --> 00:31:39.599
Been there, done that, wrote the book.

627
00:31:39.660 --> 00:31:42.539
Yeah, I was going to have a cup of tea, perhaps.

628
00:31:42.539 --> 00:31:44.160
And watch the massacre.

629
00:31:44.220 --> 00:31:46.380
SBS are doing some sort of live.

630
00:31:46.380 --> 00:31:49.500
They are doing live coverage at last, but no, it's on Sunday.

631
00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:50.640
I think it's on Sunday.

632
00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:53.400
Oh, but they're doing an Edison version on Sunday, but they are doing a live stream.

633
00:31:53.460 --> 00:31:55.680
I think on SBS 2...

634
00:31:55.740 --> 00:31:58.559
I'm sitting down and watching 14 episodes of a story.

635
00:31:58.619 --> 00:32:00.839
You're going to do trial of a timeline in one go?

636
00:32:00.900 --> 00:32:01.680
No, like hell.

637
00:32:01.740 --> 00:32:09.960
We did a political parade a couple of years ago and I did all the masks for it, but we were cut out of the commentary because SBR said it was too political.

638
00:32:10.019 --> 00:32:17.099
So after that, my friend who I can't name on this, who's been involved since day one, after 20 something years has dropped out.

639
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:18.240
Todd, what did you want to say?

640
00:32:18.539 --> 00:32:20.460
It's salamander.

641
00:32:20.460 --> 00:32:21.720
And salamander.

642
00:32:21.779 --> 00:32:23.579
And this dude.

643
00:32:23.700 --> 00:32:24.059
Yes.

644
00:32:24.059 --> 00:32:28.200
And is it the father of new series director Daniel Netheim?

645
00:32:28.259 --> 00:32:30.299
Playing Federator?

646
00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:31.740
Uncle, I think.

647
00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:32.400
I think it's uncle.

648
00:32:32.460 --> 00:32:33.720
So he directed her time?

649
00:32:33.779 --> 00:32:36.480
Yeah, he directed Zion Invasion and Zion Inversion.

650
00:32:36.539 --> 00:32:39.059
Oh, he's the dude from...

651
00:32:39.059 --> 00:32:39.960
Is he from the Mutants?

652
00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:42.480
No, oh, this guy?

653
00:32:42.539 --> 00:32:43.200
No, the other one.

654
00:32:43.259 --> 00:32:47.819
The other guy is, um, is from, from...

655
00:32:47.819 --> 00:32:49.319
Is he from the...

656
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:50.160
Oh, Deadly Assassin.

657
00:32:50.220 --> 00:32:51.359
Yeah, deadly crafts.

658
00:32:51.420 --> 00:32:51.839
Yeah, yeah.

659
00:32:51.900 --> 00:32:52.799
No, that's not right.

660
00:32:52.859 --> 00:32:54.299
Yeah, that's good.

661
00:32:54.299 --> 00:32:55.500
Deadly accent. and the mutants.

662
00:32:55.619 --> 00:32:57.000
He is from the mutants.

663
00:32:57.119 --> 00:32:58.019
Yes, he's in the mutants.

664
00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:00.480
He's actually the best series of all...

665
00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:01.799
But...

666
00:33:01.859 --> 00:33:04.619
Veteran is...

667
00:33:04.619 --> 00:33:05.099
Oh, look.

668
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:07.259
For real.

669
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:09.299
Oh, God, she's amazing.

670
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:16.440
I had a moment thinking it was Elizabeth from the Tomorrow when I 1st saw this one, but she's...

671
00:33:16.740 --> 00:33:18.240
Don't be cruel.

672
00:33:18.299 --> 00:33:18.900
Isn't she?

673
00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:21.420
I think she's the best girl to appear in Doctor Who's so far.

674
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:22.920
Did you say Carmen Canax?

675
00:33:22.980 --> 00:33:24.900
Carmen, Carmen Monroe's fabulous.

676
00:33:25.380 --> 00:33:26.039
This girl?

677
00:33:26.099 --> 00:33:28.140
Yeah, Carmen Monroe.

678
00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:28.799
Yes.

679
00:33:28.859 --> 00:33:29.579
I'm sorry.

680
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:30.779
I do disagree.

681
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:32.400
I actually think she's quite ropey.

682
00:33:32.460 --> 00:33:35.039
That's I think she's quite wooden and roping.

683
00:33:35.099 --> 00:33:36.359
I just do.

684
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:40.259
When a scene comes up where you feel. make sure you sing out.

685
00:33:40.380 --> 00:33:51.960
She has actually recorded with who talk, who are a part of a company who run wonderful conventions in the UK phantom films, phantom publishing.

686
00:33:52.019 --> 00:33:53.759
Uh, then now...

687
00:33:53.819 --> 00:33:54.900
Oh no, he's turning around now.

688
00:33:54.960 --> 00:34:00.779
They're now doing commentaries for stories that either don't have commentaries or they're doing them with people who weren't on them.

689
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:02.039
You can buy them on CD.

690
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:05.339
And Carmen Monroe is on some of the episodes for enemy of the world.

691
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:07.019
And therefore, fabulously not dead.

692
00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:08.639
But this is Gooch.

693
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:09.599
Gooch.

694
00:34:09.659 --> 00:34:10.980
Oh, of course.

695
00:34:11.099 --> 00:34:11.940
Oh, look.

696
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:13.980
And here's the lovely sound of music scene.

697
00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:15.059
I'm only 16.

698
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:16.019
We have.

699
00:34:16.019 --> 00:34:17.039
I'll soon be 17.

700
00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:18.840
Yes, that's right, Jamie, you will be.

701
00:34:18.900 --> 00:34:20.460
Indoor outdoor.

702
00:34:20.579 --> 00:34:21.780
Barry's back projection.

703
00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:26.159
Oh, because there's a bit coming up where Jamie is walking towards them.

704
00:34:26.219 --> 00:34:27.840
That's actually a back projected screen.

705
00:34:27.900 --> 00:34:32.579
So that's a film trim being played that they shot on location, especially.

706
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:36.659
He's using all of his tricks.

707
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:37.679
Yeah, yeah.

708
00:34:37.739 --> 00:34:39.719
Sean Sutton cast a few of them as well.

709
00:34:39.780 --> 00:34:46.260
Sean Sutton, later ahead of cereals as a director on Zed Cars, had used it to great success and that's why Barry used it.

710
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:48.360
Well, it actually goes right back to silent.

711
00:34:48.420 --> 00:34:49.679
No period.

712
00:34:49.739 --> 00:34:52.440
Can we mention German expressions to anyone playing bingo?

713
00:34:52.500 --> 00:34:52.800
Go on.

714
00:34:52.860 --> 00:34:54.179
No one knows when this was shot.

715
00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:55.380
No one knows.

716
00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:59.519
It's not in the episode 2 script. not in any of the shooting scripts.

717
00:34:59.579 --> 00:35:03.719
The presumption is it was shot along with this scene in episode four.

718
00:35:03.780 --> 00:35:09.480
And if you're listening to this on the train, that's Mary Pickford whispering into her tranny.

719
00:35:09.539 --> 00:35:14.280
Yeah, which should be updated to mean a transistor radio for the young people listening.

720
00:35:14.340 --> 00:35:16.079
It's not quite as scurrilous as you think.

721
00:35:16.260 --> 00:35:24.000
But also part of the reason that's assumed as well is Pat doesn't have time to get out of costume and back into costume here.

722
00:35:24.059 --> 00:35:26.219
So do you think the boy can handle it?

723
00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:31.500
Oh, I know James Selwood would be just... for this one wouldn't he?

724
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:32.699
Oh, a prisoner phone.

725
00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:36.719
Now, that phone children is actually from the set of the prisoner because, 0 no, the what?

726
00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:39.000
It's the real thing, but they did use the same model.

727
00:35:39.059 --> 00:35:47.400
I thought they were being precinct in this one and cutting the chords off and pretending they're all radio phones because no such thing existed, of course, back in 60, 7.

728
00:35:48.420 --> 00:35:50.039
Yes, this is the year we were all born.

729
00:35:50.099 --> 00:35:51.900
Hooray, a disused yeti.

730
00:35:52.019 --> 00:35:55.679
I was born in 67. 66, yeah.

731
00:35:55.739 --> 00:35:58.139
Now, this is 67.

732
00:35:58.380 --> 00:35:59.579
Yeah, 67,68.

733
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:00.360
Christmas 67.

734
00:36:00.539 --> 00:36:04.260
This episode went out on the... just fresh for this.

735
00:36:05.219 --> 00:36:07.800
I think I was born during the war game.

736
00:36:07.860 --> 00:36:08.940
Much like this podcast.

737
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:10.440
We'll do that next.

738
00:36:10.500 --> 00:36:12.599
I was born during the mutants.

739
00:36:14.579 --> 00:36:17.699
So many reasons to vote for that one, do you?

740
00:36:17.820 --> 00:36:23.039
I was born during in Australian terms during a repeat run of Terror of the Zygons.

741
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:23.880
Oh, that's quite lovely.

742
00:36:23.940 --> 00:36:24.840
That's quite...

743
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:26.159
What was the most recently?

744
00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:27.659
A month before the 5 doctors.

745
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:30.239
Oh, isn't she gorgeous?

746
00:36:30.300 --> 00:36:31.019
She's gorgeous.

747
00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:33.960
Yeah. this bit is great.

748
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:37.619
She's about to tell him about the drink.

749
00:36:39.420 --> 00:36:41.099
Now, what does that mean?

750
00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:41.699
I don't know.

751
00:36:41.699 --> 00:36:42.960
Okay, but it's in Spanish.

752
00:36:43.019 --> 00:36:44.639
I know what Todd means.

753
00:36:44.699 --> 00:36:52.079
She's very much engrenue, but I kind of like that she just has so much energy and feist and really means when she spits out these words.

754
00:36:52.139 --> 00:36:54.840
It's such a funny thing, isn't it fair?

755
00:36:54.900 --> 00:37:00.420
I think only Whizaker would have a character called Faria, and a character called Faria in the same.

756
00:37:00.539 --> 00:37:01.139
And Federate.

757
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:01.619
Yeah, yeah.

758
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:03.780
But yeah, it's...

759
00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:04.920
No one ever gets them confused.

760
00:37:04.980 --> 00:37:06.840
Well, they don't look the same.

761
00:37:06.900 --> 00:37:07.320
That's true.

762
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:11.219
And they are literally on different sides in the plot.

763
00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:15.119
I mean, not in terms of their personal politics, if you like, but yeah.

764
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:19.320
I want my crazy futuristic vinyl onesie.

765
00:37:19.380 --> 00:37:19.980
This is funny.

766
00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:21.059
I'm wearing one.

767
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:22.019
This is so funny.

768
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:32.820
I am so. brilliant.

769
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:45.599
Now, Speaking of tasting bitter, Nathan made me lick something before the podcast.

770
00:37:45.659 --> 00:37:46.800
Oh, dear listen.

771
00:37:46.860 --> 00:37:49.079
Surely you've completed your bingo card by now.

772
00:37:49.139 --> 00:37:50.760
No, I've, I've...

773
00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:52.860
You're gonna have any...

774
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:54.719
I've recently, I've got nothing to say.

775
00:37:54.780 --> 00:38:00.719
I've recently bought a Nintendo Switch, and there's been, there's been these articles about how the game cartridges for it.

776
00:38:00.780 --> 00:38:03.780
Tastes bad, and I just went, well, why are you tasting them?

777
00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:06.300
But it turns out when I got here, Nathan made me lick it.

778
00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:07.139
I can still taste it.

779
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:15.599
It has this terrible bitter aftertaste and the theory is... theory is that Nintendo have done it to discourage children eating them.

780
00:38:15.659 --> 00:38:17.280
Because they're really tiny.

781
00:38:17.340 --> 00:38:18.780
You could inhale.

782
00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:20.159
We could do this, we should do the same with them.

783
00:38:20.219 --> 00:38:22.260
It's action, Fraser.

784
00:38:22.860 --> 00:38:25.980
With Brendan's Nerf gun.

785
00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:30.360
He's a kid now. squid now, so I think we use Splatoon fan.

786
00:38:30.420 --> 00:38:32.460
A little bit Jane Fonda, but blustier, isn't it?

787
00:38:33.780 --> 00:38:36.059
Actually, Fasia's really good.

788
00:38:36.179 --> 00:38:37.079
It's a great big bomb.

789
00:38:37.139 --> 00:38:38.639
Oh, we both die.

790
00:38:38.699 --> 00:38:39.599
You perform me.

791
00:38:40.619 --> 00:38:42.119
Donald.

792
00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:46.860
Oh, that's good to have it in the studio.

793
00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:48.960
That was a very dad's army level explosion.

794
00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:50.400
Explode that backdrop.

795
00:38:51.179 --> 00:38:55.739
But I do, I do like the salamanders cosplaying as perwee.

796
00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:56.820
It's a great hustle.

797
00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:57.659
Oh, hello.

798
00:38:57.719 --> 00:38:59.039
And the robomen.

799
00:38:59.099 --> 00:38:59.639
Yes.

800
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:01.920
Bird of Crewman's in vinyl.

801
00:39:01.980 --> 00:39:04.440
I was going, where have these people come from?

802
00:39:04.500 --> 00:39:04.860
Yes.

803
00:39:05.099 --> 00:39:07.139
Cribbon's closet, yes.

804
00:39:07.260 --> 00:39:11.460
It is amazing, and I think we said...

805
00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:15.599
Well, we don't see the doctor for a while. you know, for quite a while.

806
00:39:15.659 --> 00:39:18.719
But he's just compelling as salamander.

807
00:39:18.780 --> 00:39:20.400
Oh yes, I will have a drink.

808
00:39:20.460 --> 00:39:21.119
Thank you, Richard.

809
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:28.619
We have an exciting competition to announce at the end of this one too, dear listen.

810
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:30.840
You have to listen to the end of this then.

811
00:39:30.900 --> 00:39:33.360
And if it's not exciting, well.

812
00:39:33.420 --> 00:39:34.920
Oh, is exciting.

813
00:39:34.980 --> 00:39:36.239
Well, we're excited.

814
00:39:36.300 --> 00:39:38.280
That doesn't take much, though.

815
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:41.340
Oh, I should also mention that.

816
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:42.420
Yes.

817
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:46.860
Friend of the podcast, Elijah Crayling.

818
00:39:47.340 --> 00:39:49.260
Has his own part.

819
00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:49.860
Is he in this as well?

820
00:39:49.860 --> 00:39:52.739
has his own podcast?

821
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:56.579
Of course he does. called Who Tells Your Story?

822
00:39:56.579 --> 00:39:59.039
and it's now available on iTunes.

823
00:39:59.099 --> 00:40:01.320
And he's interviewed Adrian Salmon.

824
00:40:01.380 --> 00:40:03.059
And me.

825
00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:07.980
Do you get the sense that everybody's podcasting, but nobody's pod listening?

826
00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:09.300
Yeah, no, no.

827
00:40:09.420 --> 00:40:10.079
I think that's right.

828
00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:14.519
I'm available to guest on podcasts, by the way, Brendan.

829
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:18.480
Brendan is the voice of F2, every other podcast.

830
00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:21.360
What a boy, huh?

831
00:40:21.420 --> 00:40:23.699
But no, he's...

832
00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:26.400
Speaking of, Elijah's a lovely young man.

833
00:40:26.460 --> 00:40:28.440
He's 17 and he has a podcast.

834
00:40:28.500 --> 00:40:31.320
I think he's being youngest...

835
00:40:31.380 --> 00:40:31.980
What?

836
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:35.460
Yes.

837
00:40:35.579 --> 00:40:40.679
And I don't know that we have any colour photos of this costume.

838
00:40:40.739 --> 00:40:44.099
It's been rendered with the highlights in pink and in purple.

839
00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:47.820
I didn't know there was a weeping angel in the background of this shot.

840
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:50.039
What does Brujo mean?

841
00:40:50.099 --> 00:40:50.699
We're all asking for that.

842
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:51.539
Oh there you go.

843
00:40:52.380 --> 00:40:54.119
In Mexican.

844
00:40:54.179 --> 00:40:55.500
Yeah.

845
00:40:55.559 --> 00:40:59.400
I think there used to be a magazine I subscribe to called.

846
00:40:59.460 --> 00:41:00.659
Oh, actually, I'm good.

847
00:41:00.780 --> 00:41:02.880
Oh, look, yeah, that's terribly funny.

848
00:41:02.940 --> 00:41:03.900
Yeah, yeah.

849
00:41:03.960 --> 00:41:09.599
That's the kind of thing that we were using on Zed cars to kind of extend... inventive.

850
00:41:09.659 --> 00:41:12.179
Like, you know, there's not as much budget in this episode.

851
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:13.440
You just walked out of out of the film.

852
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:20.159
Yeah, it's good No, but you know, the whole veranda set and the bomb and using that.

853
00:41:20.219 --> 00:41:21.059
Very clever.

854
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:25.739
Well, I mean, and that's really a hallmark of his period on the show as producer, isn't it?

855
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:29.519
pushing the boundaries of technology and seeing what you can do.

856
00:41:29.579 --> 00:41:32.219
And look, I don't care that it fails sometimes.

857
00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:39.420
And in fact, I think that I think we might have said when we did our tour of the autons episode that that it was actually really exciting.

858
00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:40.380
It was like a comic book.

859
00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:42.300
Yeah, it's better to take risks and, you know.

860
00:41:42.300 --> 00:41:47.340
We have to remember, though, we're watching this in isolation and you only have to go sideways.

861
00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:48.420
Oh my god, that outfit.

862
00:41:48.480 --> 00:42:00.900
You don't have to go sideways and look at, um, say even on a Blackman Avengers at the time to realise this is actually really well made because, you know, even the top level dramas at the time, as you say, like Z cars.

863
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:03.960
They were all using the same techniques and it looks clunky to us now.

864
00:42:04.019 --> 00:42:18.719
Yeah, Rod and I are watching the Kathy Gales now and it's his 1st time watching them and he keeps asking me, this is before Doctor Who. yeah I'm like, no, by now, we are we are up to the same and he's like, God, it looks like it's 3 or 4 years before.

865
00:42:18.780 --> 00:42:20.340
And that's just how innovative.

866
00:42:20.460 --> 00:42:29.639
I'm writing her more this time through because I'm seeing a lot more of her smiling and being happy and that sort of thing, whereas I think the previous time I watched this, it was just like stony faced.

867
00:42:29.699 --> 00:42:31.019
Yes, yes, yes.

868
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:35.400
Without because, dear listener, of course, we watch this without the sound and with the subtitles.

869
00:42:35.460 --> 00:42:40.380
Possibly it's without the voice because sometimes someone's voice just gets to you.

870
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:41.820
You know what I mean?

871
00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:43.199
What are you looking at when you're saying?

872
00:42:43.260 --> 00:42:44.760
I was looking at told, actually.

873
00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:50.039
I was looking at him, but I was talking about, never mind.

874
00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:54.179
And this is a...

875
00:42:54.179 --> 00:42:55.199
Salamander swallowed it.

876
00:42:55.260 --> 00:42:58.019
The boy is very confident.

877
00:42:58.079 --> 00:42:59.519
He's a big lizard.

878
00:42:59.579 --> 00:43:01.380
He's near enough.

879
00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:02.639
I'll give him to him.

880
00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:06.960
George Bravta is wonderful.

881
00:43:07.019 --> 00:43:08.639
I love his accent.

882
00:43:08.699 --> 00:43:10.199
I love always love his deliveries.

883
00:43:10.260 --> 00:43:20.460
It is kind of a silly sort of boy zone bond, but they are delivering it with as much gravitas as they can manage. has truthiness written all over his lovely face.

884
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:23.760
Mary is more pretty than she is anything else.

885
00:43:23.820 --> 00:43:25.739
It's more performative, isn't it?

886
00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:26.519
Yes, yeah.

887
00:43:26.579 --> 00:43:33.119
But, I mean, the bond thing, they throw it away before it gets tiresome.

888
00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:34.139
Which is the right thing to do.

889
00:43:34.139 --> 00:43:35.820
Yeah, in an absolutely mental direction.

890
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:42.780
I just realised we have another future villain in a very small part in this story.

891
00:43:42.900 --> 00:43:44.340
I'll point him out when we get to him.

892
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:45.300
Actually, I will just check.

893
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:47.760
I'm right on that by checking the castle list, but I just remembered.

894
00:43:47.820 --> 00:43:48.719
Ooh.

895
00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:52.019
I think he's going to turn up next episode.

896
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:57.239
And I'm wearing that tonight, actually, then those are those trousers.

897
00:43:57.300 --> 00:43:59.579
They were actually standing above them.

898
00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:00.900
That is a 2 level set.

899
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:02.400
It's not a cutaway to somewhere else.

900
00:44:02.460 --> 00:44:06.300
It's kind of a shame that they don't pull back, but they would have just shown how small the set was.

901
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:07.079
Yeah, exactly.

902
00:44:07.139 --> 00:44:09.360
And shoot off the set now.

903
00:44:09.420 --> 00:44:17.519
But he's a great, the lighting as well. so that works so well. we're we're Yes, we're reproducing it in this very room, aren't we?

904
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:18.780
We are actually.

905
00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:21.300
We're all under Brendan's coffee table.

906
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:23.880
The doctor doesn't mean this episode, has he?

907
00:44:23.940 --> 00:44:27.659
I have your elbows in my, in my, Can you just thanks, stunning.

908
00:44:30.300 --> 00:44:32.579
He was in a cutaway earlier.

909
00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:34.019
Oh was he?

910
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:34.320
Yeah.

911
00:44:34.380 --> 00:44:35.460
But they shot it.

912
00:44:35.579 --> 00:44:37.440
I believe they shot it later for episode four.

913
00:44:37.500 --> 00:44:38.280
There's no document.

914
00:44:38.340 --> 00:44:42.300
Oh, yes, you were talking about that. forgotten to squeeze Todd's neighbour into episode two.

915
00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:43.800
No, no, I'm leaving him alone.

916
00:44:43.860 --> 00:44:50.159
I've been given a thorough talking to I think we were a bit tactile with the lovely Todd last podcast.

917
00:44:50.219 --> 00:44:51.300
Well, it was very gripping.

918
00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:53.099
Actually, I was wrong.

919
00:44:54.539 --> 00:44:57.960
I thought that laughing on the inside, Richard.

920
00:44:58.019 --> 00:44:58.920
I can feel it.

921
00:44:58.980 --> 00:45:00.539
I'm right next to you on the coffee turtle.

922
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:09.119
I thought that one of the guards in the next episode was Jerome Willis later to play Jocelyn Stevens in the Green Death, but it's not...

923
00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:11.340
I'm clutching my Phantom Cardigan, right now.

924
00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:12.599
That's excitement.

925
00:45:12.659 --> 00:45:13.500
But it's not.

926
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:14.099
It's not him.

927
00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:18.420
It looks like Pat's actually got eye shadow.

928
00:45:18.539 --> 00:45:20.519
Yeah, she's done something with her eyebrows, hasn't she?

929
00:45:20.579 --> 00:45:24.360
Yeah, Sylvia James has done a wonderful job delineating the makeup.

930
00:45:24.420 --> 00:45:28.920
Of course, she was responsible for the ice warrior face makeup and giving them the pebbledash chink.

931
00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:32.340
Rice Crisp is gone to waste, but for a higher purpose.

932
00:45:32.460 --> 00:45:37.679
And Sylvia is also one of the commentary contributors on the Phantom Films commentary of this.

933
00:45:37.739 --> 00:45:40.440
Is there a commentary on the DVD?

934
00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:41.219
No, there isn't.

935
00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:43.019
They rush them out to DVD. no commentary.

936
00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:46.860
Oh, Brendan, actually, or any of you, Todd, maybe you know.

937
00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:55.800
There's lots of fan talk when these 1st came out that, oh, we're going to get the special edition later on with the commentaries and everything else. and they, does anyone know are they coming?

938
00:45:55.980 --> 00:45:58.559
I gather it was...

939
00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:01.260
It was discussed.

940
00:46:01.380 --> 00:46:09.059
Oh, stock a stock of volcanic eruptions, just like he told Castellan Spandrel was going to happen.

941
00:46:09.900 --> 00:46:12.900
But you can almost get away with it in black and white.

942
00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:14.280
Yes, it works.

943
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:15.179
There's less of a joint.

944
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:16.800
Like the Colin Baker era, yes.

945
00:46:16.860 --> 00:46:25.260
Well, I've been finding that, Richard. you're absolutely right I find, actually, I enjoy watching it when I'm in another room all day.

946
00:46:25.380 --> 00:46:33.420
As audio because Colin is great on audio, as we have discussed, and as we will be discussing in a few weeks time.

947
00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:36.300
I've actually started listening and I'm really liking it.

948
00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:37.380
Yeah.

949
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:41.639
So I might have positive things to say, which will be jarring for everyone.

950
00:46:41.699 --> 00:46:43.800
I don't think I can, but both have listened to that.

951
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:47.820
Now, as we announced last week on Revelation of the Daleks.

952
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:51.420
Richard has changed his mind instead of looking at crisscross.

953
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:53.519
Yes because he caught me in a moment.

954
00:46:53.579 --> 00:46:54.539
Oh, hello.

955
00:46:54.659 --> 00:47:03.300
We're going to be, we're going to be looking at, it's from the last adventure, which is a box set. looking at the final story, which I think is called the Brink of Death.

956
00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:05.219
Yes, with the lovely Michael Jason.

957
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:08.219
Yes, and I'd listen to the whole thing, dear listener, but you know...

958
00:47:08.219 --> 00:47:09.960
Bonnie to Melody Lice at Bangford.

959
00:47:10.019 --> 00:47:12.539
It's just beautifully written for a colony.

960
00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:16.559
He's just so nice in it. been enjoying all of the BF audios with Colin.

961
00:47:16.619 --> 00:47:17.039
Have you heard it?

962
00:47:17.099 --> 00:47:21.599
I'm not up to that in the run of audio, so I actually won't be listening to it.

963
00:47:21.900 --> 00:47:25.019
You can jump around because it does as a story.

964
00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:27.599
I understand, but no, I won't be...

965
00:47:27.780 --> 00:47:29.699
We may spoil you.

966
00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:32.579
Yeah, it's okay, but I, you know...

967
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:34.019
Do you know that he regenerates at the end?

968
00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:37.440
Bumps his head?

969
00:47:37.500 --> 00:47:39.659
Yeah, yeah, bumps his head on the...

970
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:40.619
It's a really good reason.

971
00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:42.179
Yeah, there's a far better.

972
00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:44.940
Well, don't spoil that, but we won't spoil that for you.

973
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:46.920
What are you, what's yours?

974
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:48.420
Nathan?

975
00:47:48.420 --> 00:47:50.340
I picked Jubilee, actually.

976
00:47:50.340 --> 00:47:51.300
You picked Jubilee?

977
00:47:51.300 --> 00:47:55.079
I hadn't heard it, but I just knew it from its reputation and knew that...

978
00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:55.920
I gave you a copy of that.

979
00:47:55.980 --> 00:47:56.880
Yeah, no.

980
00:47:56.880 --> 00:47:58.320
How loving of you to listen to.

981
00:47:58.380 --> 00:48:01.019
No, I've now downloaded. downloaded on the big finish hat.

982
00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:02.280
Have with my face, right?

983
00:48:02.820 --> 00:48:03.480
Have we done all that?

984
00:48:03.539 --> 00:48:05.039
Doctor Who Salamand.

985
00:48:05.099 --> 00:48:08.940
I was actually Ronnie Barker on a slingdown version with a beard, isn't it?

986
00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:10.320
That's another great question.

987
00:48:10.380 --> 00:48:14.039
Everyone looked like Rolf Harris, which was Entertainment or Mary Peach.

988
00:48:14.099 --> 00:48:14.519
It's true.

989
00:48:14.579 --> 00:48:19.380
We all have that look. funny, both of these cliffhangers aren't necessarily somebody in peril.

990
00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:23.340
Well, so Amanda or the doctor or some a statement.

991
00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:24.360
They all like that.

992
00:48:24.420 --> 00:48:25.199
Someone learns something.

993
00:48:25.260 --> 00:48:26.159
Yeah.

994
00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:28.860
Because that's how good Lets and Whittaker is.

995
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:31.860
Isn't it nice that Peter Bryant totally predicted the hipster movement?

996
00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:33.960
Penis.

997
00:48:35.099 --> 00:48:36.599
Things.

998
00:48:37.260 --> 00:48:39.000
Think about the things.

999
00:48:46.019 --> 00:48:48.179
And we're back with F3.

1000
00:48:49.019 --> 00:48:51.420
Did that auto play, Brendan?

1001
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:58.500
That auto plays, yeah. brilliant The reason we're taking strange little pauses, listeners, we weren't sure whether the iTunes version would autoplay, but it does, so there we are.

1002
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:01.619
In terms of the commentary for this.

1003
00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:04.739
So this episode three...

1004
00:49:04.739 --> 00:49:05.579
You can get commentary.

1005
00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:07.860
So episode one is Deborah Watling.

1006
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:09.539
Episode 2 is Mary Peach.

1007
00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:13.619
Episode 3 is Carmen Monroe and Bill Lyons, who plays the chief guard.

1008
00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:15.719
Episode 4 is Carmen Monroe.

1009
00:49:15.780 --> 00:49:17.760
Episode 5 is Milton Johns and Mary P.

1010
00:49:17.820 --> 00:49:24.719
And episode 6 is Milton Johns and Sylvia James, and all of those are, of course, moderated by the lovely Toby Haygo.

1011
00:49:24.780 --> 00:49:25.980
Hey, Doc, how delicious.

1012
00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:29.340
Now this is, I believe this is Bill Lyons.

1013
00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:30.539
He's fabulous.

1014
00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:31.320
I love him.

1015
00:49:31.380 --> 00:49:33.239
Oh we know.

1016
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:39.179
Oh, no, I tell, like, that's Gordon Faith.

1017
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:40.860
Bill Lyons is the guard on Danish.

1018
00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:43.980
Now, throwing shade. over there.

1019
00:49:44.039 --> 00:49:47.280
Jamie in the outfit.

1020
00:49:47.340 --> 00:49:50.579
This is the reason Joe Orton came a fan of Doctors.

1021
00:49:51.059 --> 00:49:54.780
And that was that close-up of Jamie was also the clip.

1022
00:49:54.840 --> 00:49:56.639
They used in Resurrection of the Daleks.

1023
00:49:56.699 --> 00:49:57.119
Yes.

1024
00:49:57.179 --> 00:50:05.400
Did you know that Orton wanted to cast young, Fraser, in entertaining Mr. Sloan as the ruffian?

1025
00:50:05.460 --> 00:50:09.239
Well, the ruffian in the stairs written before, but because of this episode.

1026
00:50:09.300 --> 00:50:12.719
And it's the only one mentioned in the diaries, and it's a little bit risque.

1027
00:50:12.780 --> 00:50:17.340
So if you're a young listener, I suggest you dash and read it right now, you need to learn these things.

1028
00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:28.260
Similarly, Kenneth Williams mentioned, an episode of, seem to have, a mentioned episode of the faceless ones in his diaries, where he said, put on Dr. Fortenate.

1029
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:31.139
Complete rubbish, but there was a boy with very nice legs.

1030
00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:34.800
So it was either Fraser or Andred.

1031
00:50:34.860 --> 00:50:36.599
Andred was in that episode.

1032
00:50:36.659 --> 00:50:38.460
I like D'Andrea.

1033
00:50:38.579 --> 00:50:40.500
Or WandaVenthem.

1034
00:50:40.500 --> 00:50:41.460
Or WandaVenthem.

1035
00:50:41.519 --> 00:50:43.079
Now, this is the episode.

1036
00:50:43.139 --> 00:50:47.460
This is the episode that was recovered by the BBC in the early 80s.

1037
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:49.380
Yeah, so this was the only one we'd seen.

1038
00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:50.400
Which made no sense.

1039
00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:57.059
And it was the one, this episode, like there's no location filming.

1040
00:50:57.119 --> 00:50:58.380
It's all on sets.

1041
00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:13.679
This was Barry's money saver for the 1st episode, and he expressed in his autobiography, who and me, that he was bitterly disappointed that this was the episode that existed because he's like, we did wonderful things at the beginning and at the end, and this was the money saver.

1042
00:51:13.739 --> 00:51:14.880
It's just people in corridors.

1043
00:51:14.940 --> 00:51:18.780
He's like, it's not bad as part of the whole, but on its own.

1044
00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:21.239
It's the 1st example of my Doctor Who work.

1045
00:51:21.300 --> 00:51:24.059
And I'm so sorry that we don't have everything else.

1046
00:51:24.659 --> 00:51:27.480
Was he still with us when the rest of it was found?

1047
00:51:27.539 --> 00:51:29.460
I don't think he was.

1048
00:51:29.579 --> 00:51:32.699
Oh, he just passed that year or the year before.

1049
00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:33.599
He passed.

1050
00:51:33.659 --> 00:51:35.519
Sorry, he passed 2012, I think.

1051
00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:39.179
Yeah, he had been ill for a long time, like his successive appearances.

1052
00:51:39.179 --> 00:51:42.119
DVD extras, his sicker and sicker, I think.

1053
00:51:42.179 --> 00:51:55.920
That was part of Ian Levine's objection to apparently, apparently, and I don't know what truth there is in this, but these 2 stories were recovered about a year before they were released.

1054
00:51:55.980 --> 00:51:57.059
Right.

1055
00:51:57.059 --> 00:52:11.940
And of course, part of that is restoration work, but we later found out that part of it was because episode 3 of the Web of Fear had been sold on after it was found and they were trying to get it back for that year and also try to track down other things as well.

1056
00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:13.260
And that was part of the delay.

1057
00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:21.119
But yeah, Ian Levine was very upset that Barry wasn't able to find out, hey, this whole story's back.

1058
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:24.539
Personally, I think Barry probably had bigger things on his mind.

1059
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:25.980
But...

1060
00:52:25.980 --> 00:52:27.780
And here we got the waiting.

1061
00:52:28.019 --> 00:52:32.820
Or the security corridor, which is not actually very secure at all.

1062
00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:36.659
It's easier to guard him. locked with an inch of its life, too, isn't it?

1063
00:52:36.719 --> 00:52:37.380
Look at that wallpaper.

1064
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:38.159
That outfit.

1065
00:52:38.219 --> 00:52:40.860
Brendan, really, I think we need to be expanding your cosplay.

1066
00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:41.340
Oh, hello.

1067
00:52:41.400 --> 00:52:42.000
Oh, hello, yes.

1068
00:52:42.059 --> 00:52:42.420
Who's that?

1069
00:52:42.539 --> 00:52:44.820
He's known as prison rations.

1070
00:52:45.659 --> 00:52:49.800
I thought that was Jerome Willis, but apparently that's Bill Lyons.

1071
00:52:49.860 --> 00:52:51.179
How lovely.

1072
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:54.539
It's beautifully tense, though, and elegantly scripted.

1073
00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:55.739
It does feel like.

1074
00:52:56.280 --> 00:52:59.099
Oh, security kitchen. beautifully shot.

1075
00:52:59.159 --> 00:53:00.300
No, it's Sandford.

1076
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:02.400
Nathan, did you want to touch on this?

1077
00:53:02.460 --> 00:53:03.539
Sand of a says about this episode.

1078
00:53:03.599 --> 00:53:12.059
I think I remember him saying, and I didn't read it in preparation, so I'm just sort of my memories of reading it on the loo over the past few years.

1079
00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:13.260
Best place to do it.

1080
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:27.119
Is that the interesting thing about Griffin is he's a character who would never sort of appear in Doctor Who before he's something, someone that you would just sort of never normally see. critiques the rest of this story beautifully.

1081
00:53:27.179 --> 00:53:29.159
So in a very Brechtian way.

1082
00:53:29.219 --> 00:53:31.260
He's a downstairs character.

1083
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:32.099
Yeah, exactly.

1084
00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:38.400
He, in fact, yes, he's the Jonah Lumley in the downtown abbey, sipping off all the time.

1085
00:53:38.579 --> 00:53:40.679
Remember when she did the yes?

1086
00:53:40.739 --> 00:53:43.619
That Downton Abbey at Downton Abbey.

1087
00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:44.639
Upstairs downtown Abbey?

1088
00:53:44.699 --> 00:53:45.599
Yeah, yeah.

1089
00:53:45.659 --> 00:53:48.239
With French and Saunders and China Lumley.

1090
00:53:48.300 --> 00:53:52.800
Yes, which you should be watching that while you're listening to it.

1091
00:53:52.860 --> 00:53:56.460
It's a really, really great character, isn't he?

1092
00:53:56.519 --> 00:53:57.599
So funny.

1093
00:53:57.599 --> 00:54:07.380
He's funny. saturnine and duer and very funny, and this is the point, the Doctor Who, when it does comedy, I think it does it blithely and succinctly and perfectly. and this is this is it.

1094
00:54:07.380 --> 00:54:07.860
Great comedy.

1095
00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:12.960
Yeah, importantly, Doctor Who tends to put comic characters in serious situations.

1096
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:16.380
Yeah, rather than comic situations.

1097
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:19.980
Like even the unicorn and the wasp in the new series, which is a comedy.

1098
00:54:20.039 --> 00:54:21.900
The situation is serious.

1099
00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:23.340
There are murders happening.

1100
00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:24.960
The unicorn and the wasps.

1101
00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:26.820
Oh, right, I see.

1102
00:54:26.880 --> 00:54:30.179
You know, and you have that one...

1103
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:38.280
You have that wonderful bit at the end where Christopher Benjamin confesses he, that's who you've been able to walk all this time and Agatha Christie says, actually, I was going to say you were completely innocent.

1104
00:54:39.900 --> 00:54:42.539
And he says, oh, shall I sit down?

1105
00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:45.599
All the, all the intro.

1106
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:47.820
Interference in the kitchen.

1107
00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:49.500
Oh, well, we've all been there.

1108
00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:53.219
I love Victoria's face there.

1109
00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:55.500
She's obviously had to deal with this with her servants.

1110
00:54:55.559 --> 00:54:56.159
Yes.

1111
00:54:56.159 --> 00:54:57.539
Yes, her servants.

1112
00:54:57.780 --> 00:55:00.000
That's what she calls them too.

1113
00:55:00.059 --> 00:55:05.699
So the comedy foregrounds, salamander, and the kind of world that we live in as well.

1114
00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:12.780
Yeah, poo poos this episode, but it actually ties the entire story together and makes it that much darker.

1115
00:55:12.900 --> 00:55:14.579
Yeah, by the contrast.

1116
00:55:14.639 --> 00:55:15.539
Oh, hello.

1117
00:55:15.659 --> 00:55:19.199
I mean, Sandifer wrote his essay before he'd seen it.

1118
00:55:19.260 --> 00:55:27.300
And he said that he thought it was probably the best trout and just on the basis, I think, of the soundtrack or the recons or whatever it was he watched.

1119
00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:29.039
The BBC audio of this.

1120
00:55:29.099 --> 00:55:33.420
And I still listen to it other than watch it because it just, it's, well, again, their audio plays.

1121
00:55:33.480 --> 00:55:34.139
They work beautifully.

1122
00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:35.820
Oh, with this episode in particular.

1123
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:41.519
I think you'd miss out because episode one is so remarkably...

1124
00:55:41.639 --> 00:55:47.159
At least Jamie and Victoria, actually, are doing something with wild. like them in this, don't you?

1125
00:55:47.219 --> 00:55:49.019
Yeah, yeah, I think both of them.

1126
00:55:49.079 --> 00:55:55.440
Well, I mean, I always like, I think Fraser always delivers a good performance, whether or not Jamie is written generically or whatever.

1127
00:55:55.500 --> 00:55:57.599
He does a lot with the character, doesn't he?

1128
00:55:57.659 --> 00:55:58.920
He's visually interesting.

1129
00:55:58.980 --> 00:56:04.320
Victoria, for me, unfortunately, I just think they make her be damsel in distress so often.

1130
00:56:04.380 --> 00:56:12.780
So it's good when she gets other moments and I think her best moment in the whole series is in this story, which we haven't seen yet.

1131
00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:14.760
So are they off next week?

1132
00:56:14.820 --> 00:56:16.980
Yeah, I think it's next week they're off.

1133
00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:18.360
Yeah, it's next week.

1134
00:56:18.420 --> 00:56:19.139
It's next week.

1135
00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:21.659
I can only imagine what Pat made of that.

1136
00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:24.840
There's like, I have to play 2 parts and they get a holiday.

1137
00:56:25.019 --> 00:56:29.579
Well, he spends a fair amount of his run unconscious on holiday, does he?

1138
00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:30.840
Yeah, played by Chris Jeffries.

1139
00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:33.900
Now that's definitely used in Inferno.

1140
00:56:33.960 --> 00:56:35.159
But that is so clever.

1141
00:56:35.219 --> 00:56:36.780
Like starting on the screen and pulling out.

1142
00:56:36.840 --> 00:56:39.840
I was about to say, that looks so fake like it's on a television.

1143
00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:44.639
And now we've got Giles Caravan.

1144
00:56:44.699 --> 00:56:46.739
Which is rather amazing.

1145
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:49.079
So what's...

1146
00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:52.739
They're scoping out the place in a caravan.

1147
00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:55.920
It's weird delaying tactics too, isn't it?

1148
00:56:55.980 --> 00:56:56.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1149
00:56:57.000 --> 00:56:57.719
Well, that's the thing.

1150
00:56:57.780 --> 00:57:02.159
Like, the doctor spends, like, all of this story going, no, I don't have enough evidence yet.

1151
00:57:02.219 --> 00:57:04.619
I don't have enough evidence to go after this dictator.

1152
00:57:04.679 --> 00:57:07.440
It's like, when do you ever wait for evidence ever?

1153
00:57:08.340 --> 00:57:12.900
We've got 6 episodes and we have to delay the big...

1154
00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:15.239
Is that his own picture on the wall or is that someone else?

1155
00:57:15.300 --> 00:57:18.059
I think it's meant to be his dad or maybe it's him as a young man.

1156
00:57:18.119 --> 00:57:19.920
Because there is a resemblance.

1157
00:57:20.039 --> 00:57:21.900
Seems like for ever since we've seen the doctor.

1158
00:57:21.960 --> 00:57:26.460
Yeah, yeah. only had one scene last episode. like a cushion like that.

1159
00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:47.880
Whereas, you know, now we had salamander at the beginning, and then we had 2 scenes without him to get Pat. into his proper makeup, and you'll notice that his his doctor hair is a little less scruffy during this story, where he has to change out of being salamander, because they rough it up as much as they can, but it's not truly unruly.

1160
00:57:47.940 --> 00:57:50.219
So you can still see the remains of the side parting there.

1161
00:57:50.460 --> 00:57:55.199
I mean, there would have been a recording break as well to strip off the makeup and whatnot.

1162
00:57:58.260 --> 00:58:00.900
That's a lot link.

1163
00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:05.340
They're never going to look in there. wonderful.

1164
00:58:08.940 --> 00:58:11.400
He totally looked at his man.

1165
00:58:11.460 --> 00:58:12.539
This is hello, low.

1166
00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:14.340
That's caravan.

1167
00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:15.000
So would you.

1168
00:58:15.059 --> 00:58:16.260
I might have known.

1169
00:58:17.099 --> 00:58:19.320
So we're still in Australia here.

1170
00:58:19.380 --> 00:58:21.599
Yeah, Australia, Turkey or something?

1171
00:58:21.659 --> 00:58:22.500
Hungry.

1172
00:58:22.619 --> 00:58:23.039
Hungry.

1173
00:58:23.099 --> 00:58:23.579
Yeah.

1174
00:58:23.639 --> 00:58:25.559
So Jamie and Victoria are now in Hungary.

1175
00:58:25.679 --> 00:58:29.159
Their transport system is instantaneously.

1176
00:58:29.219 --> 00:58:35.159
Well, that was always the thing, though, that people imagined in the future that you would be able to get from country to country in sort of half an hour.

1177
00:58:35.219 --> 00:58:37.019
You know, they didn't realise in 2017.

1178
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:40.139
You can't even get from suburb to suburb in half an hour.

1179
00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:41.880
It's actually got worse and worse isn't it?

1180
00:58:41.940 --> 00:58:43.079
Well, well, well.

1181
00:58:43.139 --> 00:58:43.739
Who's the daddy?

1182
00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:45.599
Oh, so we do know who it is.

1183
00:58:45.659 --> 00:58:46.440
Oh, no.

1184
00:58:46.500 --> 00:58:46.980
Okay, yeah.

1185
00:58:47.039 --> 00:58:48.960
So it does seem to be his old photo.

1186
00:58:49.619 --> 00:58:52.260
I have no right to our clutch your arms.

1187
00:58:53.460 --> 00:58:55.800
Why do you push your arms out?

1188
00:58:57.300 --> 00:59:01.380
Why did we all carry around fire extinguishers in the future?

1189
00:59:01.380 --> 00:59:02.820
In the future now?

1190
00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:06.239
How odd that we are sitting here in the future?

1191
00:59:06.300 --> 00:59:08.039
talking about something that's it.

1192
00:59:08.159 --> 00:59:10.500
We have done that in a security kitchen.

1193
00:59:10.559 --> 00:59:15.179
I mean, think about watching the 10th Planet, for instance, or Space 90s.

1194
00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:16.260
That wasn't in 79.

1195
00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:18.239
Oh, not like this.

1196
00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:19.860
Ruin all those nice things.

1197
00:59:19.860 --> 00:59:22.019
Oh, and that's that...

1198
00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:25.500
That beautiful line that...

1199
00:59:25.559 --> 00:59:27.599
Yeah, it's coming up, you know.

1200
00:59:27.659 --> 00:59:27.840
Yeah.

1201
00:59:27.900 --> 00:59:29.099
Yeah, just wait for it.

1202
00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:31.380
It's a really, really great doctor.

1203
00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:36.119
Well, particularly Troughton, but very much a doctor line, which I think is lovely.

1204
00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:40.320
We are all aware the press had now been, you know, fully opened.

1205
00:59:40.380 --> 00:59:46.920
A lot of artists were still communists were signed up to the party, but we knew that Stalin was doing this to artists and writers.

1206
00:59:46.980 --> 00:59:47.159
So.

1207
00:59:50.400 --> 00:59:53.340
Hover craft wearing. of a craft.

1208
00:59:53.400 --> 00:59:55.199
It's full of eels.

1209
01:00:00.420 --> 01:00:01.559
Oh, you see, yeah.

1210
01:00:01.619 --> 01:00:02.639
Yeah, no, I don't.

1211
01:00:03.119 --> 01:00:08.639
Oh, but do we understand that the doctor knows who Giles Candy is?

1212
01:00:08.699 --> 01:00:10.860
Yeah, I think, yeah, there's a payoff later that he suspects.

1213
01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:16.260
People spend all their time making nice things. people come along and break them.

1214
01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:17.039
That's beautiful.

1215
01:00:17.159 --> 01:00:17.699
That's lovely.

1216
01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:19.440
That's now, isn't it?

1217
01:00:19.500 --> 01:00:21.420
Yeah, no, it's it's us. people.

1218
01:00:21.539 --> 01:00:28.800
Yeah, but this is also, in fact, us saying, you know, when are we going to intercede and stop this regime?

1219
01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:30.300
Right now?

1220
01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:31.079
No, no, no.

1221
01:00:31.139 --> 01:00:32.820
She's in her new outfit for the episode.

1222
01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:37.559
You know, is it okay to punch a natural disaster causing fascist in the face?

1223
01:00:37.619 --> 01:00:38.340
Yes.

1224
01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:40.380
Captain America would.

1225
01:00:41.159 --> 01:00:41.760
So there you go.

1226
01:00:41.820 --> 01:00:44.400
She seems to be able to get into these places rather easily.

1227
01:00:44.460 --> 01:00:45.599
She's fabulous.

1228
01:00:45.659 --> 01:00:47.579
No, I'm not saying she's not.

1229
01:00:47.699 --> 01:00:49.800
The bouncers just waver straight in.

1230
01:00:49.860 --> 01:00:55.320
Well, this guy's going to because he's about to chatter up, which is an incredibly sweet moment.

1231
01:00:55.380 --> 01:00:56.039
I love this.

1232
01:00:56.519 --> 01:01:01.440
I mean, yeah, it's stereotyping, but...

1233
01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:05.639
Oh, look at her smile.

1234
01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:07.739
She's evil, gorgeous.

1235
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:08.579
Cut himself.

1236
01:01:08.639 --> 01:01:09.900
Oh, yes, I'll come back all right.

1237
01:01:16.619 --> 01:01:19.019
I actually think world leaders should have the title leader.

1238
01:01:19.079 --> 01:01:20.760
I think that's fabulous Yes.

1239
01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:22.380
Leader Trumbull.

1240
01:01:22.619 --> 01:01:31.559
This beard reminds me of Captain Sisko's beard from Deep Space 9 in the very 1st episode where he has the beard where it's not quite right.

1241
01:01:31.619 --> 01:01:32.760
It's too bushy down below.

1242
01:01:32.820 --> 01:01:34.260
Sorry, I just thought I'd picture it.

1243
01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:34.920
No, you're right.

1244
01:01:34.980 --> 01:01:42.239
And then there's that episode where they give him the new 1st contract, 1st contact uniforms, but it doesn't quite fit and his comb badge is up too high and it's on the gray bit.

1245
01:01:42.300 --> 01:01:43.619
You remember that?

1246
01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:45.360
I do know when it happens.

1247
01:01:45.420 --> 01:01:45.780
Yeah.

1248
01:01:45.780 --> 01:01:46.260
Yeah.

1249
01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:47.579
That's the thing.

1250
01:01:47.639 --> 01:01:51.780
You don't really notice in a run of episodes, but once you see it...

1251
01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:52.079
Yes.

1252
01:01:52.139 --> 01:01:54.059
Meanwhile, back in the security kitchen.

1253
01:01:54.780 --> 01:01:57.179
You just wish it all together.

1254
01:02:00.420 --> 01:02:02.159
Oh shut up.

1255
01:02:02.219 --> 01:02:04.019
He's sit down.

1256
01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:04.800
This is me.

1257
01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:08.340
That was him being chivalrous standing when a woman enters the room.

1258
01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:13.019
It's lovely Gods everywhere.

1259
01:02:13.079 --> 01:02:14.280
It's like duh.

1260
01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:18.840
They have everyone's kind of sidelined, aren't they?

1261
01:02:18.900 --> 01:02:24.360
We're just enjoying the things going on around us with Mary and Danish and all of these people.

1262
01:02:24.420 --> 01:02:26.699
Um, it works quite well.

1263
01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:29.880
Where's where's salamander?

1264
01:02:29.940 --> 01:02:31.139
Oh, here we go.

1265
01:02:31.139 --> 01:02:33.000
He's getting back into makeup.

1266
01:02:36.780 --> 01:02:40.860
God, there are editors like this at work.

1267
01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:46.019
And he's the only one doing the accent and he's not even in Australia.

1268
01:02:46.079 --> 01:02:50.280
Actually, there is a guy exactly like this, except he has hair.

1269
01:02:51.900 --> 01:02:54.239
Oh, God, it's Nathan.

1270
01:02:54.300 --> 01:02:55.619
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

1271
01:02:55.679 --> 01:02:56.460
It tiresome.

1272
01:02:56.519 --> 01:02:57.719
This food is so tiresome.

1273
01:03:01.500 --> 01:03:03.900
The firing squad would be...

1274
01:03:04.019 --> 01:03:06.840
Oh, he's a stoic. practising negative visualisation.

1275
01:03:06.900 --> 01:03:07.860
Yeah, yeah.

1276
01:03:09.119 --> 01:03:12.000
He's so strikingly weird looking as well.

1277
01:03:12.059 --> 01:03:12.719
Yes.

1278
01:03:16.079 --> 01:03:18.539
Liberty Hall, Dr. Tyler.

1279
01:03:18.599 --> 01:03:19.320
Liberty Hall.

1280
01:03:19.440 --> 01:03:23.579
Oh, this is her standouts moment coming up.

1281
01:03:23.639 --> 01:03:24.719
For real.

1282
01:03:24.719 --> 01:03:25.079
Yeah.

1283
01:03:25.139 --> 01:03:31.739
Yeah, aside from the very unfortunate scene which happens the next episode and it's very distressing because she's so lovely.

1284
01:03:32.219 --> 01:03:33.900
Spoilers.

1285
01:03:33.960 --> 01:03:34.380
Yeah.

1286
01:03:35.519 --> 01:03:37.500
Oh, this bit, yeah.

1287
01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:39.960
Yeah, what do you know?

1288
01:03:41.519 --> 01:03:51.239
And it's, it's world building as well as well as characterisation, like we're learning a bit about the world, and it doesn't all have to be explained to us.

1289
01:03:51.300 --> 01:03:52.139
Yeah, well.

1290
01:03:52.199 --> 01:03:55.320
Yes, that makes me assuming we have intelligence.

1291
01:03:55.380 --> 01:03:57.059
Yeah, it's nice, isn't it?

1292
01:03:57.119 --> 01:04:06.539
It's not, you know, where where the short, where the short, where the short, tall, fat, thin, gay atheists, why would we have names?

1293
01:04:06.599 --> 01:04:07.860
Yeah, yeah.

1294
01:04:07.860 --> 01:04:10.380
You know, which works for a second, but it's like, oh.

1295
01:04:10.380 --> 01:04:14.880
And then one of them gets horribly decapitated. you know, yay representation.

1296
01:04:17.940 --> 01:04:28.199
Yeah, that was really Moffat's response for being to being told off that there weren't enough gay people. in his Doctor Who is to put the Fat one and the thin one in.

1297
01:04:28.260 --> 01:04:31.619
The funny thing is, Good man goes to war, is it?

1298
01:04:31.679 --> 01:04:32.940
Yeah, yeah.

1299
01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:39.000
But under Russell, he constantly has men flirting with men and women flirting with women.

1300
01:04:39.059 --> 01:04:39.780
Yeah, yeah.

1301
01:04:39.840 --> 01:04:41.760
I mean maybe that's Russell rewriting it.

1302
01:04:41.820 --> 01:04:48.539
But according to Russell, the whole thing with all the all the gay characters in the doctor dances came from Moffatt.

1303
01:04:49.199 --> 01:04:49.619
Yeah.

1304
01:04:49.619 --> 01:04:53.280
But we're getting ahead of ourselves.

1305
01:04:55.440 --> 01:04:57.059
Oh, dear.

1306
01:04:57.179 --> 01:04:58.739
This is where's the salt?

1307
01:04:59.579 --> 01:05:02.940
Make Victoria look like an idiot.

1308
01:05:03.239 --> 01:05:06.480
Why isn't he going on about eggs, boiled eggs?

1309
01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:10.920
Yes, no.

1310
01:05:10.980 --> 01:05:13.440
He's got this poison to give to George Pravda.

1311
01:05:13.739 --> 01:05:16.079
What if he doesn't take salt?

1312
01:05:16.440 --> 01:05:18.360
Everyone did back then.

1313
01:05:18.420 --> 01:05:21.179
Everyone had high blind...

1314
01:05:21.239 --> 01:05:22.679
Everyone had salt, everyone smoked.

1315
01:05:23.699 --> 01:05:25.679
Everyone had 2 wives.

1316
01:05:25.739 --> 01:05:28.920
Cocaine injected directly into the buttocks.

1317
01:05:28.980 --> 01:05:30.659
I'm doing that now.

1318
01:05:31.079 --> 01:05:32.940
LDS.

1319
01:05:32.940 --> 01:05:34.079
LDS.

1320
01:05:34.139 --> 01:05:39.000
L alphabet of leisure drugs.

1321
01:05:42.059 --> 01:05:45.300
You just forget it's the doctor, then.

1322
01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:46.019
Yeah, yeah.

1323
01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:47.940
And that's that's the highest compliment.

1324
01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:48.900
We can pay him, really.

1325
01:05:48.960 --> 01:05:52.619
They flared his eyebrows. had a career before this show.

1326
01:05:52.739 --> 01:06:03.960
And what's what's telling about it is the Abbot of Amboise came around because Hartnell petitioned to play a duplicate of something.

1327
01:06:04.019 --> 01:06:05.639
I want to stretch myself down there.

1328
01:06:05.699 --> 01:06:10.019
Patrick didn't know he was he was playing a duplicate until he got the script.

1329
01:06:10.079 --> 01:06:11.519
That's a nice way to do.

1330
01:06:11.579 --> 01:06:25.800
And, you know, he was a bit worried about the load, but, um, he kind of just said, look, you know, let's just sit down and figure out a way where it's not too, where it's still like, it's like playing one part in terms of the volume.

1331
01:06:25.860 --> 01:06:26.400
Yeah.

1332
01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:29.280
But, you know, I'm happy to do it.

1333
01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:30.719
And that's the thing.

1334
01:06:30.780 --> 01:06:50.519
Like, he constantly after the show talked about how tiring it was, but you never, it never translates on screen, how tight he was, and by the end, how kind of, I think, uh, it was, Dominate as a mind robber, he was really getting frustrated, and that's why mind dropper episodes are so short, but it never comes across in his performance, that he's really angry.

1335
01:06:50.579 --> 01:06:53.099
I think he's throwing it a bit in the dominators.

1336
01:06:53.159 --> 01:06:54.539
I think he's he's cross.

1337
01:06:54.539 --> 01:06:55.739
Yeah, but that's a script.

1338
01:06:55.800 --> 01:06:57.659
Yeah, well, I think that's what he's cross at.

1339
01:06:57.719 --> 01:06:59.519
You know, maybe it's not that he's tired.

1340
01:06:59.579 --> 01:07:12.119
Maybe it's that this is really terrible and he's going to, and actually, I think when he clowns around in that final episode of The Dominators, it's pretty much the only enjoyable thing in the entire story.

1341
01:07:15.179 --> 01:07:16.559
Oh, he couldn't do it.

1342
01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:20.099
Oh, well, that's not going to do him any good, is it?

1343
01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:21.239
Poor Daniel Netheim.

1344
01:07:21.300 --> 01:07:21.840
David May time?

1345
01:07:21.900 --> 01:07:22.500
Daniel that time?

1346
01:07:22.559 --> 01:07:23.400
David and that time.

1347
01:07:23.519 --> 01:07:24.179
David at home.

1348
01:07:24.179 --> 01:07:25.260
Daniel at home is a director.

1349
01:07:25.320 --> 01:07:36.960
And I, I have to say, despite the, despite the fact that Daniel Nedheim has a full head of hair. resemblance because we saw him at the Doctor Who festival, giving a talk.

1350
01:07:37.019 --> 01:07:39.900
Yeah, there's definitely a family resemblance there.

1351
01:07:42.960 --> 01:07:46.800
Oh, you're in trouble when Salamander smiles at you.

1352
01:07:46.860 --> 01:07:51.420
And when you've given him back the poison and he offers you a drink veteran.

1353
01:07:52.260 --> 01:07:55.619
Pay attention, veteran, for God's sake.

1354
01:07:55.679 --> 01:07:59.460
How did you get to be controller of the 7th sector or whatever the hell you are?

1355
01:07:59.519 --> 01:08:00.539
What is he?

1356
01:08:00.659 --> 01:08:01.739
Yeah, good health.

1357
01:08:03.360 --> 01:08:04.019
Come on.

1358
01:08:04.079 --> 01:08:11.340
We have politicians who think getting a helicopter ride when they have a car waiting for them is a pretty neat idea.

1359
01:08:14.639 --> 01:08:15.780
Great death.

1360
01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:19.199
Actually, he gets 2 appearances in Doctor 2 and 2 great debts.

1361
01:08:19.920 --> 01:08:21.239
Yeah.

1362
01:08:21.239 --> 01:08:22.500
Get shrunk, my friend.

1363
01:08:26.520 --> 01:08:28.140
Yeah.

1364
01:08:28.140 --> 01:08:34.859
Brilliant.

1365
01:08:34.920 --> 01:08:36.119
Of course.

1366
01:08:36.420 --> 01:08:42.539
I mean, that's so Bondi and that's he disagreed with something that ate him.

1367
01:08:42.600 --> 01:08:45.359
Or Alan Rickman in Die Hard.

1368
01:08:45.420 --> 01:08:48.899
Mr. Yama Mertero won't be joining us for the rest of his life.

1369
01:08:49.199 --> 01:08:51.720
Do you know I've never seen Die Hard?

1370
01:08:51.779 --> 01:08:54.720
Neither should I. Neither have I. just seen the Alan Rickman bits.

1371
01:08:54.779 --> 01:08:56.640
That's a good word, you see.

1372
01:08:56.699 --> 01:08:58.680
Maybe next Christmas.

1373
01:08:58.739 --> 01:09:00.060
It is a Christmas movie.

1374
01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:00.899
Yeah, no I know.

1375
01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:02.640
It's joining us under the coffee table.

1376
01:09:02.699 --> 01:09:04.380
It's getting damn proud of them.

1377
01:09:05.520 --> 01:09:08.699
Why would anyone ever leave Woolamaloo?

1378
01:09:08.699 --> 01:09:11.640
That's the question I asked.

1379
01:09:11.699 --> 01:09:12.720
And so yeah.

1380
01:09:12.779 --> 01:09:14.039
In universe.

1381
01:09:14.100 --> 01:09:15.479
That's why he left Woolamaloo.

1382
01:09:15.539 --> 01:09:16.439
Oh.

1383
01:09:16.439 --> 01:09:17.159
Action.

1384
01:09:17.220 --> 01:09:19.560
Sorry, she actually says sorry, Anos there.

1385
01:09:19.619 --> 01:09:20.939
And shot in the back.

1386
01:09:22.560 --> 01:09:24.539
Trolly acting.

1387
01:09:25.199 --> 01:09:27.899
So yeah, there...

1388
01:09:27.960 --> 01:09:28.619
Wasn't it weird?

1389
01:09:29.039 --> 01:09:45.779
Um, one thing Barry Letz does say about working on this and something he he learned not to do was he kind of only shot as much as he needed and that would, that does present a problem later in this story, but that's why you get such sudden cuts.

1390
01:09:45.840 --> 01:09:52.319
And by the time he's directing in the Pertwee era, he's learned, okay, even if I think I finished the shot, just leave it for a few seconds.

1391
01:09:52.380 --> 01:09:57.060
And we see that in Carnival of Monsters because there's an extended cut of one of those episodes.

1392
01:09:57.239 --> 01:10:12.119
But yeah, that's why there's kind of a weird cut there because Barry would call cut very, like he was a very energetic director, which comes as a surprise because he's such a, you know, calm measure. super chilled, isn't he?

1393
01:10:12.180 --> 01:10:15.060
But apparently when he's directing, he's almost like Graham Harper.

1394
01:10:15.239 --> 01:10:22.680
Um, And yet, they're being taken off for a week in Skegness.

1395
01:10:22.739 --> 01:10:23.340
Off you go.

1396
01:10:23.399 --> 01:10:24.239
Off you go, guys.

1397
01:10:24.300 --> 01:10:26.279
So let's direct.

1398
01:10:26.340 --> 01:10:27.960
Does he direct during the poetry era?

1399
01:10:28.020 --> 01:10:29.579
Terror of the Autons?

1400
01:10:29.640 --> 01:10:31.140
Carnival of Monsters.

1401
01:10:31.199 --> 01:10:32.279
Who does spiders?

1402
01:10:32.340 --> 01:10:33.600
He does spiders.

1403
01:10:33.659 --> 01:10:35.640
I think he does Time Monster.

1404
01:10:35.699 --> 01:10:36.720
Does he do green death?

1405
01:10:36.899 --> 01:10:38.399
Yeah.

1406
01:10:39.239 --> 01:10:41.819
No, Michael Bryant.

1407
01:10:41.880 --> 01:10:42.600
Does Green Death.

1408
01:10:42.659 --> 01:10:47.220
But yeah, you're thinking the inadvisable overuse of CSO in that story.

1409
01:10:47.279 --> 01:10:48.779
No, he's a triple threat.

1410
01:10:48.840 --> 01:10:50.460
He a writer, director, producer.

1411
01:10:50.520 --> 01:10:54.119
Actor as well in his previous life.

1412
01:10:54.180 --> 01:10:54.659
Even more.

1413
01:10:57.720 --> 01:10:58.319
Was you?

1414
01:10:58.319 --> 01:10:59.100
Was you?

1415
01:11:02.159 --> 01:11:04.260
Wait, are we getting towards the cliffhanger?

1416
01:11:04.319 --> 01:11:06.180
We are, and it's a sudden realisation.

1417
01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:08.159
Someone like you.

1418
01:11:09.239 --> 01:11:13.800
Yeah, again, another brilliant cliffhanger where someone learns something.

1419
01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:17.039
Oh, exciting.

1420
01:11:17.100 --> 01:11:19.140
Now, salamander knows about the doctor.

1421
01:11:20.579 --> 01:11:23.159
Someone else, a double ganger.

1422
01:11:24.479 --> 01:11:27.060
Could be a, could be an auton.

1423
01:11:27.180 --> 01:11:29.880
Could be a robot replica.

1424
01:11:29.939 --> 01:11:34.979
And that's, uh, that could be something from, um, Stigron and the crafts.

1425
01:11:35.760 --> 01:11:37.500
Why are they back?

1426
01:11:37.560 --> 01:11:40.380
Oh, they are a big finish.

1427
01:11:40.439 --> 01:11:41.579
Of course.

1428
01:11:41.579 --> 01:11:43.199
Oh, everybody's back with...

1429
01:11:43.199 --> 01:11:45.060
The aside and adventure.

1430
01:11:51.119 --> 01:11:52.920
Oh Barry, we love you.

1431
01:11:55.979 --> 01:11:57.720
That's where, yeah.

1432
01:11:58.439 --> 01:12:01.260
And we are back with episode four.

1433
01:12:01.319 --> 01:12:02.699
Is this thing on?

1434
01:12:02.760 --> 01:12:04.079
That thing is on.

1435
01:12:04.140 --> 01:12:04.560
Good.

1436
01:12:04.619 --> 01:12:07.739
It does feel like you're in a car wash, doesn't it?

1437
01:12:07.800 --> 01:12:16.199
It's that moment in the 67 Casino Royale when Mary Peach comes over and presses her mouth against the windscreen wipers, while you're having an important chat.

1438
01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:27.659
You know, even though I seen Casino Royale 3 times in the last 12 months, I'm not entirely convinced that doesn't happen in it because it's the strangest movie ever made.

1439
01:12:27.720 --> 01:12:29.220
Isn't it also one of the best?

1440
01:12:29.279 --> 01:12:33.060
I was lucky enough to see it when I was 7 on TV and it was shown every year.

1441
01:12:33.119 --> 01:12:33.600
Oh, hello.

1442
01:12:33.659 --> 01:12:37.439
We actually have been a lot like Desi Watling, and I'm not being unkind.

1443
01:12:37.500 --> 01:12:42.779
It might just be the amount of makeup, the shape of the face, or the panic, but in his case, he remembers his loans.

1444
01:12:43.680 --> 01:12:51.479
Sorry, I, I, I, I, I, I've never noticed Debbie stumbling over her lines except the character.

1445
01:12:51.539 --> 01:12:54.180
Sorry, are they all just quoting Adele lines at each other?

1446
01:12:54.239 --> 01:12:55.619
someone like you.

1447
01:12:55.680 --> 01:12:59.699
Patience, Mr. when the sky falls, when it crumbles.

1448
01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:09.479
That's why we had a pre-filmed insert, of course, because in this episode, Pat has to start as the doctor.

1449
01:13:09.539 --> 01:13:12.119
And you can already see his hair is more bouffon.

1450
01:13:12.359 --> 01:13:16.739
I thought that those bit looked like it was...

1451
01:13:16.800 --> 01:13:18.119
Yeah, it was a film. different quality?

1452
01:13:18.180 --> 01:13:18.779
Insert.

1453
01:13:18.840 --> 01:13:19.680
Better.

1454
01:13:19.739 --> 01:13:21.060
Have you noticed, Todd?

1455
01:13:21.119 --> 01:13:26.819
Because I know this is something that you have said about...

1456
01:13:26.880 --> 01:13:34.739
I know this is something that you've said about Pertwee before, but have you noticed that Peter Capaldi's hair is getting more involved before as he shows a lot?

1457
01:13:34.800 --> 01:13:43.800
It is quite amazing how I've been watching a bit of deep breath and how short it is there, but how it's getting more wilder and he's listening up as the doctor.

1458
01:13:44.279 --> 01:13:47.939
When he finishes, he's actually just going to be played by an English sheet.

1459
01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:48.899
I'll have this hair.

1460
01:13:51.960 --> 01:14:08.039
Now, this is the reason the theory that the shot we saw in episode 2 of Giles and the doctor in his office was actually shot during episode 4 to save erecting the set for episode 2 when it's already in episode four. smart thing to do.

1461
01:14:08.039 --> 01:14:09.600
He's not happy.

1462
01:14:09.600 --> 01:14:12.060
So Guy Craven, there, isn't he?

1463
01:14:12.300 --> 01:14:16.800
And he's on an early moon base alpha communication station.

1464
01:14:17.100 --> 01:14:19.619
And industrial washing machine.

1465
01:14:20.220 --> 01:14:24.899
But it's all on the spin cycle at the moment, so it's just all white and sun.

1466
01:14:24.960 --> 01:14:29.159
I love it when we're in the near future and we get words like identity print.

1467
01:14:32.699 --> 01:14:34.439
Futuris.

1468
01:14:34.500 --> 01:14:35.100
I love all that.

1469
01:14:35.220 --> 01:14:38.460
I also love that so much of this is shot in the magic roundabout caravan.

1470
01:14:39.359 --> 01:14:43.140
She does very good stoic face acting.

1471
01:14:43.199 --> 01:14:45.239
Look at my face, look at my face.

1472
01:14:45.300 --> 01:14:46.800
What was going to happen?

1473
01:14:46.859 --> 01:14:48.720
She wasn't going to be in episodes 5 and six.

1474
01:14:48.779 --> 01:14:50.819
Yeah, she was just going to disappear after this episode.

1475
01:14:50.819 --> 01:14:56.880
Because episodes 5 and six, she gets involved with the underground dwellers.

1476
01:14:56.939 --> 01:14:57.779
Now, I...

1477
01:14:57.779 --> 01:14:59.880
I will say that I'm not...

1478
01:14:59.880 --> 01:15:00.479
Girl on Girl.

1479
01:15:00.539 --> 01:15:04.739
I'm not fond of Faria's raincoat.

1480
01:15:08.220 --> 01:15:13.079
The, her, her other costume is just lovely, lovely and light.

1481
01:15:13.140 --> 01:15:15.659
And even when Astrid puts on a coat of compliments, the other thing.

1482
01:15:15.720 --> 01:15:17.279
She just looks like she's wearing a bin liner.

1483
01:15:17.760 --> 01:15:21.119
She's just come from the planet Phosphoron.

1484
01:15:21.539 --> 01:15:24.539
I like her Barbara homage booth.

1485
01:15:24.600 --> 01:15:25.680
Yes, yes.

1486
01:15:25.800 --> 01:15:29.819
It's just a lot of Bondi exposition, isn't it?

1487
01:15:29.880 --> 01:15:32.399
Two female characters actually talking to each other.

1488
01:15:32.460 --> 01:15:35.279
Yeah, they aren't talking about a man though, so...

1489
01:15:35.340 --> 01:15:43.859
But they will, I believe, go on to talk about plans, like his plans, and I think under the Bechter rules that counts.

1490
01:15:44.279 --> 01:15:48.659
The official Bechdel, the board.

1491
01:15:48.720 --> 01:15:50.279
The board is ruled.

1492
01:15:50.340 --> 01:15:51.359
Yeah, that's right.

1493
01:15:51.539 --> 01:15:57.000
Yeah, they're, they're, along with all the, all the all the liberal cucks.

1494
01:15:57.119 --> 01:15:59.340
God, I wish that was a wig.

1495
01:15:59.460 --> 01:16:01.979
Yeah, that's right, it's...

1496
01:16:03.359 --> 01:16:06.600
It is really unfortunate, but I guess he's bald, is he?

1497
01:16:06.600 --> 01:16:07.020
or something?

1498
01:16:07.079 --> 01:16:11.340
Reminds me of the valleyards skull cap with his hat.

1499
01:16:12.600 --> 01:16:17.399
That was the original revelation in Eric Saywood's trial part 14.

1500
01:16:17.520 --> 01:16:19.079
He was Bennick all along.

1501
01:16:19.140 --> 01:16:20.279
I was bennick all along.

1502
01:16:20.340 --> 01:16:23.039
Vanard, as I've always known him, Benick.

1503
01:16:23.100 --> 01:16:29.399
I love how they obviously can't afford a backdrop here and his window, his gorgeous window just leads to a brick wall.

1504
01:16:29.640 --> 01:16:41.039
Is this a sense of the compartmentalisation that comes under dictatorships, which we all place ourselves in smaller and smaller boxes and try and manage in a rat's maze, smaller and smaller things.

1505
01:16:41.100 --> 01:16:42.539
I think sand of the bingo.

1506
01:16:42.600 --> 01:16:44.760
So it's something similar about this story.

1507
01:16:45.479 --> 01:16:46.920
What's happening here in Sydney?

1508
01:16:46.979 --> 01:16:53.039
Well, very much so, or indeed in the world, and we can talk about the trumpy things because this is so prescient, isn't it?

1509
01:16:53.100 --> 01:17:04.500
But there's the way that we deal with the larger threat is by making our lives smaller and more compact and more manageable and we shrink down to further and further.

1510
01:17:04.560 --> 01:17:11.399
And these tiny little peregrinations of arguments because it does seem to be, you could say, okay, it's also plot fill.

1511
01:17:11.460 --> 01:17:13.380
But I think Sandov does talk about this, doesn't he?

1512
01:17:13.500 --> 01:17:14.279
I can't quite remember.

1513
01:17:14.340 --> 01:17:15.659
No, it has been a while.

1514
01:17:15.720 --> 01:17:17.640
Suck it in, Giles, come on.

1515
01:17:17.699 --> 01:17:20.520
Yeah, I know, it's really not doing anything for him, is he?

1516
01:17:22.439 --> 01:17:26.699
In the script, but not revealed in dialogue, I believe.

1517
01:17:28.140 --> 01:17:32.579
The blackmail related to Fourier's brother.

1518
01:17:32.880 --> 01:17:39.420
Whom Salamander had had killed but still had information on him that would damage her and her family if he revealed it.

1519
01:17:39.479 --> 01:17:41.699
So she's working for him in memory of her brother.

1520
01:17:41.880 --> 01:17:43.920
I quite like that we don't find out.

1521
01:17:43.979 --> 01:17:45.000
We don't have to find out.

1522
01:17:45.060 --> 01:17:49.140
Yeah Oh, look how charming.

1523
01:17:49.199 --> 01:17:50.100
I'll get the back.

1524
01:17:50.279 --> 01:17:56.340
I think we could actually get what the doctor in this is on about not interfering.

1525
01:17:56.399 --> 01:18:01.859
When he does interfere, as you say, on planet Zog, it's fair or complete.

1526
01:18:01.920 --> 01:18:07.439
We don't know the history of the place that you could argue, neither does he, but it's that he has no other choice.

1527
01:18:07.500 --> 01:18:09.359
It is so obviously gone wrong.

1528
01:18:09.420 --> 01:18:12.960
And here he's, I really, he really doesn't get involved with politics.

1529
01:18:13.020 --> 01:18:15.779
He has always run the other way up until now.

1530
01:18:15.960 --> 01:18:35.159
I do think, like, I think it's obviously stalling in a way, but it does give us the chance to see, you know, everyone else and the rest of the world and give everyone, like, gives him a chance to be Salamander, gives us him a chance to, you know, gives us a chance to see what's going on in the rest of the world.

1531
01:18:35.640 --> 01:18:43.739
Um, Do you not also think, though, it shows just how circumspect the doctor actually is and that he's more noble because of that.

1532
01:18:43.859 --> 01:18:53.460
And that when we do see him jump right in and and defeat the cosmic, villainous, chompy things.

1533
01:18:53.520 --> 01:18:54.060
It's.

1534
01:18:54.840 --> 01:19:00.359
Does he normally construct for himself a sort of band of outsiders who then, you know, I'm thinking about.

1535
01:19:00.960 --> 01:19:02.460
He is a bit passive, aggressive.

1536
01:19:02.579 --> 01:19:12.539
Well, you know, I'm thinking about the invasion where, you know, there ends up being just a little group of people, like his friends and unit and things who then go in and sort of solve the problem.

1537
01:19:12.720 --> 01:19:18.420
Um, because they, it's a displacement to the cyber personages should not be here.

1538
01:19:18.479 --> 01:19:25.739
In this case, he will put, this is what he said, you know, he hasn't stopped the 2nd World War.

1539
01:19:25.800 --> 01:19:26.399
He didn't stop.

1540
01:19:26.880 --> 01:19:31.979
We could go on Because it's part of the natural events of history.

1541
01:19:32.039 --> 01:19:35.159
He didn't kill the Daleks off because, well, he might not.

1542
01:19:35.220 --> 01:19:38.699
We don't know that's going to happen yet because we're only not in during 2017.

1543
01:19:38.880 --> 01:19:46.979
Yeah, but I mean, there is dialogue coming up saying that I was, I just knew that Giles Kent was a bad guy and that's, that's what I was kind of waiting for.

1544
01:19:47.039 --> 01:19:48.420
Yeah, because that's the thing.

1545
01:19:48.420 --> 01:19:51.359
Like, you know, in 21st century, Doctor Who, we do.

1546
01:19:51.359 --> 01:19:53.640
Tell all men. to shoot on site.

1547
01:19:55.739 --> 01:19:57.300
And they do.

1548
01:19:57.420 --> 01:20:00.000
Joe Wharton did scripted this, didn't he?

1549
01:20:00.060 --> 01:20:01.380
I didn't mean that.

1550
01:20:01.380 --> 01:20:03.420
Yeah, but it worked.

1551
01:20:04.199 --> 01:20:09.300
I actually really like this set and this whole sequence, I think is really, really good.

1552
01:20:09.359 --> 01:20:14.399
And it's kind of like, it's cleverly shot, like, you know, for interior looking at the window and all that sort of thing.

1553
01:20:14.460 --> 01:20:16.500
Yeah, there's a sense of space, you know.

1554
01:20:16.500 --> 01:20:17.520
Look, up there.

1555
01:20:17.579 --> 01:20:19.079
This is really...

1556
01:20:19.319 --> 01:20:21.180
Look out there too.

1557
01:20:21.239 --> 01:20:21.659
Another thing.

1558
01:20:21.960 --> 01:20:24.180
Oh no, this is terrific.

1559
01:20:24.239 --> 01:20:25.680
They push that baby off them.

1560
01:20:25.739 --> 01:20:27.899
Oh, this is, oh, how fantastic.

1561
01:20:27.960 --> 01:20:29.880
Some days you can't get rid of a bomb.

1562
01:20:29.939 --> 01:20:35.100
No, that shot with the, with the, with the, it's, um, God, what is it?

1563
01:20:35.159 --> 01:20:35.640
Potemkin?

1564
01:20:35.699 --> 01:20:36.899
Ventilator sharks.

1565
01:20:36.960 --> 01:20:38.220
Yes, yes, battleship per tem.

1566
01:20:38.279 --> 01:20:39.840
Yes, the steps.

1567
01:20:39.840 --> 01:20:40.800
Which is amazing.

1568
01:20:40.859 --> 01:20:44.880
She was just passing through and refused to get out of shop.

1569
01:20:44.939 --> 01:20:46.319
No, no, no, that was planned.

1570
01:20:46.380 --> 01:20:50.100
But no, you're right. battleship attempt. picking up on those fantastic.

1571
01:20:50.159 --> 01:20:50.460
Yeah.

1572
01:20:50.699 --> 01:20:54.359
Yeah, this is all very, very messy, clever.

1573
01:20:54.420 --> 01:21:01.140
But yeah, those exteriors were recorded at Villiers house, which is the BBC building that years later when it was being decommissioned.

1574
01:21:01.199 --> 01:21:05.939
They were clearing out a cupboard and found 4 episodes of the Ice Warriors just sitting in a cupboard.

1575
01:21:06.000 --> 01:21:06.899
Billy's house.

1576
01:21:08.699 --> 01:21:12.180
Someone probably left them here while they were shooting that.

1577
01:21:12.239 --> 01:21:12.960
Yeah maybe.

1578
01:21:13.560 --> 01:21:17.699
But yeah, it's the episodes we now have one, four, 5, and six.

1579
01:21:20.159 --> 01:21:22.140
Oh, you kicked me in the balls.

1580
01:21:22.260 --> 01:21:25.020
Well, she grabbed him by the hand.

1581
01:21:28.140 --> 01:21:30.119
Get the Avengers girl.

1582
01:21:30.239 --> 01:21:31.439
Get a girl who can do both.

1583
01:21:31.500 --> 01:21:32.939
Kick you in the ball.

1584
01:21:33.000 --> 01:21:34.500
She had just been in the running for the...

1585
01:21:34.500 --> 01:21:40.260
Well, actually, before she she auditioned for the an appeal character.

1586
01:21:40.439 --> 01:21:43.800
She was in the last 5 couch.

1587
01:21:43.859 --> 01:21:46.500
She was kind of 5 with Nari Dawn Porter.

1588
01:21:46.560 --> 01:21:50.520
Um, this was after um, Elizabeth.

1589
01:21:50.579 --> 01:21:52.140
Elizabeth Shepard.

1590
01:21:52.199 --> 01:21:53.100
Yes, yes.

1591
01:21:53.220 --> 01:21:56.100
Yeah, because they'd always wanted Diary Dawn Porter.

1592
01:21:56.159 --> 01:21:58.619
Elizabeth Sladden was passed on, yes.

1593
01:21:59.939 --> 01:22:01.920
Is she in other things?

1594
01:22:01.979 --> 01:22:03.119
Mary Peach.

1595
01:22:03.300 --> 01:22:03.779
Mary Peach.

1596
01:22:03.840 --> 01:22:05.939
I think much like, um, there she is.

1597
01:22:06.000 --> 01:22:10.140
She's impeached cobbler, which was a hilarious send-up.

1598
01:22:10.199 --> 01:22:13.680
She's in James and the...

1599
01:22:13.680 --> 01:22:14.579
Giant Mary P.

1600
01:22:14.640 --> 01:22:18.539
The daughter of Bill Peach, who only our Australian.

1601
01:22:18.600 --> 01:22:19.020
Oh, no.

1602
01:22:19.079 --> 01:22:19.979
Oh.

1603
01:22:19.979 --> 01:22:21.659
That's horrid.

1604
01:22:21.899 --> 01:22:24.840
But she's fabulous in this too, isn't she?

1605
01:22:24.899 --> 01:22:26.340
She's seen it.

1606
01:22:26.340 --> 01:22:27.659
Looks like she's not enjoying it.

1607
01:22:27.720 --> 01:22:30.000
And it's like a horrible mistake. you know, like it.

1608
01:22:33.180 --> 01:22:34.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1609
01:22:34.140 --> 01:22:39.779
And but Bennett comes along and she even sort of, Like she beats him.

1610
01:22:39.779 --> 01:22:40.739
Yeah.

1611
01:22:40.859 --> 01:22:42.000
Yeah, it's...

1612
01:22:42.000 --> 01:22:44.760
It's it's amazingly adult.

1613
01:22:45.239 --> 01:22:47.939
Yeah, this is this really is.

1614
01:22:47.939 --> 01:22:50.760
Not the Doctor Who has ever just been for kids, but...

1615
01:22:50.760 --> 01:22:54.359
The criticisms that Baker's series Comm Baker series gets, this is just as bad.

1616
01:22:54.539 --> 01:22:57.420
No, I don't think it's...

1617
01:22:57.479 --> 01:22:58.920
I think it's just that old and nasty.

1618
01:22:58.979 --> 01:23:01.739
No, no, adult and adult is one thing.

1619
01:23:01.800 --> 01:23:05.399
Oh, did I think that Milton's being a bit nasty right now?

1620
01:23:05.460 --> 01:23:06.359
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1621
01:23:06.420 --> 01:23:07.020
But look at her.

1622
01:23:07.079 --> 01:23:08.760
Look how triumphant she is.

1623
01:23:08.880 --> 01:23:11.640
Yes, but we're talking about how a child is going to receive this scene.

1624
01:23:11.699 --> 01:23:14.460
Yeah, I mean, it's still all cops and robbers.

1625
01:23:14.520 --> 01:23:15.119
There's no guns.

1626
01:23:15.180 --> 01:23:16.020
I have no guns.

1627
01:23:16.079 --> 01:23:16.680
There's no guns.

1628
01:23:16.739 --> 01:23:18.539
There's no blood or anything.

1629
01:23:18.600 --> 01:23:21.300
I finally saw vengeance on Baros this year.

1630
01:23:21.359 --> 01:23:22.680
I'd never seen it all the way through.

1631
01:23:22.739 --> 01:23:26.279
I have to say, Colin does not push people into the acid bath.

1632
01:23:26.340 --> 01:23:27.840
He really isn't or the doctor anyway.

1633
01:23:27.899 --> 01:23:32.279
It really isn't as monstrous as the received wisdom habit.

1634
01:23:32.340 --> 01:23:33.779
Todd's nodding furiously.

1635
01:23:33.840 --> 01:23:35.939
Yeah, I talked to you, yeah.

1636
01:23:37.380 --> 01:23:39.239
Oh, what's it?

1637
01:23:39.239 --> 01:23:39.659
idiot.

1638
01:23:42.720 --> 01:23:43.680
I'll say this so sad.

1639
01:23:43.739 --> 01:23:48.119
The moment she gets shot, I think she's pretty weak when she collapses.

1640
01:23:48.180 --> 01:23:48.899
I don't like that moment.

1641
01:23:49.020 --> 01:23:53.819
But that final triumphant, I really like that confrontation with Bennett.

1642
01:23:53.939 --> 01:23:56.819
I think I need to go and watch her again with some sound on it.

1643
01:23:56.880 --> 01:23:58.619
Well, that well, that's the thing.

1644
01:23:58.739 --> 01:24:08.399
I mean, all 4 of us have, even in the course of our recordings, when we're discussing something, gotten new appreciations for things, things we think are awful.

1645
01:24:10.800 --> 01:24:13.500
Black Orchid is still the bottom of my list.

1646
01:24:14.159 --> 01:24:18.600
I actually I actually came up with a bottom 10 the other week, a black orchid.

1647
01:24:18.899 --> 01:24:20.520
Number one.

1648
01:24:20.579 --> 01:24:23.640
With a bullet. hang on.

1649
01:24:23.699 --> 01:24:25.619
Is he wearing Missy's clasp?

1650
01:24:27.000 --> 01:24:29.159
He was missing all along.

1651
01:24:29.340 --> 01:24:31.859
Listeners, I apologise.

1652
01:24:31.920 --> 01:24:33.300
You're about to hear me eat a cookie.

1653
01:24:33.359 --> 01:24:34.319
Carry on, Richard.

1654
01:24:34.739 --> 01:24:36.479
You want to hear this?

1655
01:24:36.659 --> 01:24:37.859
Holy.

1656
01:24:41.100 --> 01:24:44.819
How are we feeling about... slower progress.

1657
01:24:45.300 --> 01:24:51.479
But no one is, no one is breaking the rules here or the 4th wall or the tension.

1658
01:24:51.539 --> 01:24:55.560
I, I, I'm thoroughly believing all of this code because, my God.

1659
01:24:55.680 --> 01:24:58.199
Milton Johns is just a monster, isn't he?

1660
01:24:58.380 --> 01:25:01.199
It's a strange performance too, isn't it?

1661
01:25:01.260 --> 01:25:04.380
I think it's the most believable in the whole in the whole lot of them.

1662
01:25:04.619 --> 01:25:07.859
Even more so than Perth. here we go.

1663
01:25:07.920 --> 01:25:12.659
Now suddenly the story's going to take a sort of crazy, crazy left turn.

1664
01:25:12.779 --> 01:25:22.439
But I do like that the people are always encased in this, in this case, in us, you know, lovely big thermo mixer with a monitor on it.

1665
01:25:22.500 --> 01:25:26.460
Yeah, this is gorgeous too, and he's got them right under the office.

1666
01:25:26.579 --> 01:25:27.300
It's superb.

1667
01:25:27.359 --> 01:25:32.699
The reconstruction of this, and the woman's name always escapes me, unfortunately.

1668
01:25:32.760 --> 01:25:36.239
She's a great computer animator.

1669
01:25:36.300 --> 01:25:39.600
She does the cybermen stuff for the wheel in space reconstruction.

1670
01:25:39.659 --> 01:25:40.979
We were talking about that before.

1671
01:25:41.039 --> 01:25:41.699
It's really good.

1672
01:25:41.760 --> 01:25:45.960
But for this, because we've got all this waiting for this pod to come out.

1673
01:25:46.020 --> 01:25:55.199
She does this amazing animation where salamander's getting impatient and tapping his foot and pacing about because there's very little visual reference for this scene.

1674
01:25:55.260 --> 01:26:00.000
And then when we get it, it's just bloody Patrick Troughton standing on the spot. like, come on, Pat.

1675
01:26:00.600 --> 01:26:03.239
Is this from the reconstruction?

1676
01:26:03.300 --> 01:26:03.720
Yes.

1677
01:26:04.020 --> 01:26:05.520
Oh, really?

1678
01:26:05.579 --> 01:26:06.960
Do you know, I don't think I've ever seen them.

1679
01:26:07.020 --> 01:26:10.560
I think the 1st time I saw it was after this, you know, it was fun.

1680
01:26:10.560 --> 01:26:18.779
As I say, I forget her name, but she's the one who did the wheel in space and did that wonderful alien inspired trailer using all her animations for the wheel in space.

1681
01:26:18.840 --> 01:26:19.500
Yeah, terribly good.

1682
01:26:19.500 --> 01:26:22.140
They were gorgeous, yes.

1683
01:26:22.199 --> 01:26:24.300
Oh, no, that is fantastic.

1684
01:26:24.359 --> 01:26:24.840
Look at that.

1685
01:26:24.899 --> 01:26:26.579
And there's a great model shot?

1686
01:26:26.640 --> 01:26:27.359
Is it a model shot?

1687
01:26:27.420 --> 01:26:28.560
Yeah, there's a model shot coming up.

1688
01:26:29.520 --> 01:26:32.460
Oh, Patrick's holding on for dear life.

1689
01:26:32.939 --> 01:26:36.720
Honda bird does he get ejected into?

1690
01:26:36.779 --> 01:26:38.520
Thunderbird Swan?

1691
01:26:38.579 --> 01:26:39.659
Meanwhile, on film.

1692
01:26:40.079 --> 01:26:43.140
Oh, isn't that awesome?

1693
01:26:43.199 --> 01:26:44.579
Yeah. wonderful.

1694
01:26:45.000 --> 01:26:47.640
Oh, it's virtual. all the time.

1695
01:26:48.960 --> 01:26:51.659
No, that really is very impressive.

1696
01:26:51.779 --> 01:26:54.539
Well, of course, this was the year after Thunderbirds.

1697
01:26:55.439 --> 01:26:57.119
The movie, yes.

1698
01:26:57.180 --> 01:26:57.659
Yeah, yeah.

1699
01:26:57.720 --> 01:27:01.500
Yeah, and I think this was the same year as Thunderbird 6, 1968.

1700
01:27:01.619 --> 01:27:02.699
Yeah, which no one ever saw.

1701
01:27:02.699 --> 01:27:04.199
Because we're in 1968 now.

1702
01:27:04.260 --> 01:27:05.100
Ever.

1703
01:27:06.359 --> 01:27:11.460
Rod loves Thunderbirds, and he hates the end of Thunderbirds 6. everyone does.

1704
01:27:11.520 --> 01:27:13.560
It was a biplane all the time.

1705
01:27:13.619 --> 01:27:16.140
Has nobody actually ever...

1706
01:27:16.140 --> 01:27:19.199
Questioned this before.

1707
01:27:19.260 --> 01:27:23.100
Like, you know, obviously some Amanda goes down his little chute quite often.

1708
01:27:23.159 --> 01:27:27.420
But then all these people are something around here going, well, can I see him?

1709
01:27:27.479 --> 01:27:28.079
No, I can't.

1710
01:27:28.140 --> 01:27:32.039
Like, where have they been for the last?

1711
01:27:32.100 --> 01:27:35.699
It just gives them a nice opportunity to tweet from his phone, you see.

1712
01:27:35.760 --> 01:27:37.500
Yeah, something sensible.

1713
01:27:38.039 --> 01:27:39.659
Oh, okay.

1714
01:27:39.720 --> 01:27:40.199
Yeah.

1715
01:27:40.199 --> 01:27:45.840
This is, I think, Sandoval was touching on the, this, the, the people down there are the listeners.

1716
01:27:45.960 --> 01:27:47.939
And if you want to look at it politically, the boaters.

1717
01:27:47.939 --> 01:27:49.979
Yeah, they're English people, aren't they?

1718
01:27:50.039 --> 01:28:09.779
Just normally with a nice white folk from the sitcoms and we've been thrown into this quasi bond film that's about, that's actually upstairs is about the, you know, the ostensible reality, but the reality of the viewer, other people in the bunker downstairs being fed dross and believing everything they're told.

1719
01:28:09.840 --> 01:28:11.039
It's so strange.

1720
01:28:11.100 --> 01:28:12.479
Bowie song, isn't it?

1721
01:28:12.539 --> 01:28:14.279
Full Bowie.

1722
01:28:14.340 --> 01:28:15.659
I love this set too.

1723
01:28:15.720 --> 01:28:17.399
Oh, no, that's what we need.

1724
01:28:17.460 --> 01:28:18.840
Dalek bump wallpaper.

1725
01:28:18.899 --> 01:28:21.539
Yes, they're etheric beam locations, apparently.

1726
01:28:21.600 --> 01:28:23.399
And now he has a 3rd hairstyle.

1727
01:28:24.539 --> 01:28:26.340
And outfit.

1728
01:28:26.760 --> 01:28:32.520
I suppose maybe the reason Pat enjoyed doing this so much, even though he was so tired.

1729
01:28:32.579 --> 01:28:50.760
Remember, when he became the doctor, he actually wanted to play him, even, yeah, there's the blacked up idea he had, but even when that was vetoed, he still said, you know, heavy makeup, fake moustaches, fake eyebrows, he loved disguising himself the less that would get him recognised the better.

1730
01:28:50.819 --> 01:28:51.840
By his other wives.

1731
01:28:51.899 --> 01:28:55.500
Now, this guy here has been in Doctor Who after this.

1732
01:28:55.560 --> 01:28:57.659
Yes, he's in Terror of the Autons.

1733
01:28:57.720 --> 01:28:58.439
Professor Phillips?

1734
01:28:58.500 --> 01:29:00.539
Ah, Goodjin Phillips, RFC.

1735
01:29:00.539 --> 01:29:02.100
Barry Letts, yes, re-employed them.

1736
01:29:02.159 --> 01:29:04.380
And he's in Planet of the Spiders.

1737
01:29:04.439 --> 01:29:06.060
He's Lupton's officer.

1738
01:29:06.180 --> 01:29:13.800
Oh, yes, of course, that wonderful guy who, when Lupton has his big rant about everything he wants, he says, I just want peace of mind.

1739
01:29:14.220 --> 01:29:16.500
Here they are. stupid.

1740
01:29:16.560 --> 01:29:18.539
The dynamic duo destroying.

1741
01:29:18.600 --> 01:29:19.319
What's that?

1742
01:29:19.319 --> 01:29:20.760
Poland and Bloody Mary.

1743
01:29:20.819 --> 01:29:22.079
Colin Mary, bless you.

1744
01:29:22.140 --> 01:29:22.920
Oh, he's fantastic.

1745
01:29:22.979 --> 01:29:24.539
The gentleman right here.

1746
01:29:24.600 --> 01:29:27.479
Colin, also a big chair. of time.

1747
01:29:27.539 --> 01:29:32.100
That's how people call Colin Speak in Doctor Who, if you've seen Arc of Infinity.

1748
01:29:33.300 --> 01:29:36.180
Did you say he's an invasion of time, Richard?

1749
01:29:36.300 --> 01:29:38.460
Yes, he plays the deck chair beside the title.

1750
01:29:41.220 --> 01:29:43.020
That's fantastic.

1751
01:29:43.020 --> 01:29:47.760
Oh, go away to see the sun...

1752
01:29:47.819 --> 01:29:49.380
You know who these two?

1753
01:29:49.380 --> 01:29:50.220
Mary, Mary.

1754
01:29:50.279 --> 01:29:51.420
That's the splash shot.

1755
01:29:51.479 --> 01:29:52.859
Leonard, I'm not going to leave you.

1756
01:29:52.920 --> 01:29:53.220
Sorry.

1757
01:29:53.819 --> 01:29:59.939
These 2 retroactively remind me of the Armageddon factor.

1758
01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:00.720
Men out there.

1759
01:30:00.779 --> 01:30:02.939
Young men are dying for it.

1760
01:30:03.000 --> 01:30:03.479
Exactly.

1761
01:30:04.260 --> 01:30:08.880
Binky Huckabatch. and Dame Celia Maltstrangle.

1762
01:30:09.359 --> 01:30:10.859
Who are these actors, by the way?

1763
01:30:10.920 --> 01:30:11.220
Do you know?

1764
01:30:11.279 --> 01:30:11.640
Do we know?

1765
01:30:11.699 --> 01:30:16.920
Yes, so this actor on screen right now is...

1766
01:30:18.479 --> 01:30:20.520
Christopher Burgess.

1767
01:30:20.579 --> 01:30:21.060
That's it.

1768
01:30:21.119 --> 01:30:26.460
And he, he passed away not long after, um, Biss.

1769
01:30:26.520 --> 01:30:30.000
Not long. not long after the story was recovered.

1770
01:30:30.060 --> 01:30:34.739
I think when the recovery was announced, I should say, because I remember.

1771
01:30:34.800 --> 01:30:40.739
It sort of came it came out about a month before we recorded our podcast and he passed away between for 2 days.

1772
01:30:40.859 --> 01:30:43.920
Colin is played by Adam Verney.

1773
01:30:43.979 --> 01:30:46.859
And Mary is played by Margaret Hickey.

1774
01:30:48.720 --> 01:30:50.939
Vernie and Hickey.

1775
01:30:51.119 --> 01:30:52.800
You know what?

1776
01:30:52.859 --> 01:30:54.060
I am gonna journey.

1777
01:30:54.119 --> 01:30:56.279
Isn't that a name of like Tegan's grandfather?

1778
01:30:56.340 --> 01:30:57.600
Yes, all the time.

1779
01:30:57.659 --> 01:30:59.699
Well, maybe related to Tegan.

1780
01:31:00.119 --> 01:31:04.979
But then he's mysteriously disappeared, another one of her problems.

1781
01:31:05.039 --> 01:31:10.619
That's why this is perfect because they are playing the John and Marcia characters from all the soaps.

1782
01:31:10.680 --> 01:31:11.880
That's why she's called Mary.

1783
01:31:11.939 --> 01:31:12.779
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1784
01:31:12.779 --> 01:31:14.939
It's the most generic kind of name they can imagine.

1785
01:31:15.000 --> 01:31:17.640
I do love that they're wearing sort of hilarious.

1786
01:31:17.760 --> 01:31:19.079
Where else did we have these?

1787
01:31:19.140 --> 01:31:21.420
Was it ice Warriors that everyone's wearing these?

1788
01:31:21.479 --> 01:31:22.739
Resort futurology?

1789
01:31:22.739 --> 01:31:23.159
Yeah, yeah.

1790
01:31:23.220 --> 01:31:26.159
So Adam Verney, who is Colin...

1791
01:31:26.220 --> 01:31:27.180
Oh, thank goodness.

1792
01:31:27.420 --> 01:31:28.319
Kool-Aid.

1793
01:31:28.979 --> 01:31:34.859
As 10 credits to his name, including 3 episodes of Doctor in the House.

1794
01:31:34.920 --> 01:31:36.300
I love that show.

1795
01:31:36.359 --> 01:31:40.319
I think we should all dress in these outfits for next Mardi Gras, actually.

1796
01:31:40.380 --> 01:31:41.279
Well, Brendan does anyway.

1797
01:31:41.340 --> 01:31:43.680
I didn't know as the files were coming back.

1798
01:31:44.880 --> 01:31:51.899
And as for Margaret Hickey, let's look her up on internet movie database, because the funny thing is sometimes these...

1799
01:31:51.899 --> 01:31:52.979
Please don't tell me they acted again.

1800
01:31:53.039 --> 01:31:56.159
Yeah, the next suck was named after her.

1801
01:31:56.220 --> 01:32:02.640
She had a pretty brutal career. at least as far as the rest of the cast were concerned.

1802
01:32:02.699 --> 01:32:04.560
Okay, Margaret Hickey.

1803
01:32:04.619 --> 01:32:07.920
It was like when we found out that Kendron was in a bond film.

1804
01:32:08.039 --> 01:32:09.840
Kendron.

1805
01:32:09.899 --> 01:32:10.380
Oh, God.

1806
01:32:10.380 --> 01:32:13.140
So Adam Verney has 10 credits to his name.

1807
01:32:13.199 --> 01:32:15.000
Margaret Hickey has won.

1808
01:32:15.119 --> 01:32:17.699
Oh, this is her...

1809
01:32:17.760 --> 01:32:19.619
And what did she do after that?

1810
01:32:19.680 --> 01:32:22.439
She became a brain surgeon or something, an astronaut, possibly.

1811
01:32:22.500 --> 01:32:23.340
Let's find out.

1812
01:32:23.399 --> 01:32:25.979
Actually, I think she's...

1813
01:32:26.039 --> 01:32:29.399
She reminds me of that girl off the Harry Potter movies, the...

1814
01:32:29.460 --> 01:32:30.420
Luna Lovegood.

1815
01:32:30.479 --> 01:32:30.840
Yes.

1816
01:32:30.899 --> 01:32:32.159
She does.

1817
01:32:32.220 --> 01:32:33.840
Or anyone on Crystal Myth.

1818
01:32:33.899 --> 01:32:38.579
Maybe she was cryogenically frozen until like 2007.

1819
01:32:38.760 --> 01:32:39.899
I love that.

1820
01:32:39.899 --> 01:32:43.140
Margaret Hickey was an actress known for Doctor Who.

1821
01:32:43.199 --> 01:32:44.939
She died on June the 1st, 2010.

1822
01:32:45.060 --> 01:32:47.220
Oh, that's it.

1823
01:32:47.279 --> 01:32:47.819
That's it.

1824
01:32:47.819 --> 01:32:49.500
That's the extent.

1825
01:32:49.500 --> 01:32:50.640
I think it's time we added...

1826
01:32:50.640 --> 01:32:51.659
A full an event for life.

1827
01:32:51.960 --> 01:32:53.399
Come on.

1828
01:32:53.880 --> 01:32:54.899
Write in with your suggestions.

1829
01:32:54.899 --> 01:32:57.300
I'm editing IMDb as we speak.

1830
01:32:57.359 --> 01:33:02.699
Todd, B or B thinks, she's awful.

1831
01:33:02.819 --> 01:33:04.500
Brilliant.

1832
01:33:06.180 --> 01:33:08.880
We could have a hashtag, couldn't we?

1833
01:33:08.939 --> 01:33:10.079
I've got Vernie's career.

1834
01:33:10.380 --> 01:33:12.359
Margaret Hickey's career.

1835
01:33:12.420 --> 01:33:15.840
Do you think any of our dear descended relatives on any...

1836
01:33:15.899 --> 01:33:20.399
Oh, this is the family will be listening to this when we've all carved it and go, oh, gee, that would have such a legacy.

1837
01:33:20.460 --> 01:33:22.739
No, Bruce Forsyte was in this.

1838
01:33:24.119 --> 01:33:27.420
I think the potential for us having descendants is very low.

1839
01:33:27.479 --> 01:33:29.340
Well, I was saying relatives.

1840
01:33:29.760 --> 01:33:32.100
That's actually not a bad thing.

1841
01:33:33.539 --> 01:33:39.539
I mean, I'm sorry, like all those old men, like as if they're going to repopulate the air.

1842
01:33:39.600 --> 01:33:42.659
Like, you know, they all need to be Collins.

1843
01:33:42.779 --> 01:33:48.239
Well, actually, it looks like the oldest woman there is about 40.

1844
01:33:48.479 --> 01:33:50.819
So it's it's the whole Donald and Ivanka thing.

1845
01:33:51.180 --> 01:33:52.739
Do you think?

1846
01:33:52.800 --> 01:33:54.539
Oh, wait, sorry, Melania.

1847
01:33:54.659 --> 01:33:56.460
No, you meant his daughter, the one that he says.

1848
01:33:56.520 --> 01:33:57.539
Actually, yeah, fair enough.

1849
01:33:59.760 --> 01:34:01.859
I'm just going have a wank.

1850
01:34:04.260 --> 01:34:06.060
Salamander.

1851
01:34:06.119 --> 01:34:07.140
They're used to it though.

1852
01:34:07.199 --> 01:34:09.659
Jana Panda was a dishonour.

1853
01:34:10.560 --> 01:34:15.180
The designer of this was Martin Martin Bo or Martin Boff?

1854
01:34:15.239 --> 01:34:16.380
how that pronounced.

1855
01:34:16.439 --> 01:34:19.619
But he does the ice Warriors as well with their psychedelic outfits.

1856
01:34:19.680 --> 01:34:21.060
He does quite a few pats.

1857
01:34:21.119 --> 01:34:22.140
I love this.

1858
01:34:22.199 --> 01:34:23.520
He's just off and away on a cigar.

1859
01:34:23.579 --> 01:34:25.560
No, but he said it was.

1860
01:34:25.619 --> 01:34:27.000
It's a thing.

1861
01:34:27.060 --> 01:34:29.039
It's a it's a chiquito.

1862
01:34:29.100 --> 01:34:30.060
No bad happens here.

1863
01:34:30.119 --> 01:34:36.840
You can actually see him being in a bar like with a drink and a cigar in real life, can't you?

1864
01:34:37.020 --> 01:34:38.399
Yeah.

1865
01:34:38.399 --> 01:34:38.939
Oh, yeah.

1866
01:34:39.300 --> 01:34:42.779
Oh, wonderful Astrid's doing his makeup.

1867
01:34:44.819 --> 01:34:47.279
Turning him into a monoid.

1868
01:34:47.520 --> 01:34:49.800
It's Eric Saywood.

1869
01:34:49.800 --> 01:34:53.399
Do you look like a spotlight photo, dude?

1870
01:34:54.420 --> 01:35:06.300
The thing, for motivation, Pat did actually look through his old spotlight photos and said to the makeup designer, make me look like this because he's like salamander is young and vital.

1871
01:35:06.359 --> 01:35:07.680
And oh, Cliffhanger.

1872
01:35:07.739 --> 01:35:10.140
Is that the 1st time it's got slash salamander?

1873
01:35:10.140 --> 01:35:12.180
Yeah, the ones that just says...

1874
01:35:12.239 --> 01:35:12.659
Yeah.

1875
01:35:12.720 --> 01:35:13.260
Yeah.

1876
01:35:14.220 --> 01:35:18.779
But yeah, Pat did look through his 50s photos and found one.

1877
01:35:18.840 --> 01:35:25.319
I think from when he was doing Shakespeare, where he had like a bit of, not blacked up, but a bit of tang.

1878
01:35:25.380 --> 01:35:27.659
And he said, here's the one.

1879
01:35:27.779 --> 01:35:29.699
Margaret, we love you, Margaret.

1880
01:35:29.760 --> 01:35:31.199
Me too.

1881
01:35:31.260 --> 01:35:32.640
Margaret.

1882
01:35:33.300 --> 01:35:35.460
Not back next week after.

1883
01:35:35.520 --> 01:35:36.779
Christopher Pem soul, yes.

1884
01:35:36.840 --> 01:35:39.000
Salamander's come down the chute, Margaret.

1885
01:35:39.060 --> 01:35:40.079
Margaret.

1886
01:35:40.079 --> 01:35:42.239
George and Margaret.

1887
01:35:42.300 --> 01:35:45.060
I heard they're going to be in the new series.

1888
01:35:45.119 --> 01:35:48.420
Colin and Mary this season coming.

1889
01:35:51.479 --> 01:35:52.560
Here we go again.

1890
01:35:52.619 --> 01:35:53.520
Episode 5.

1891
01:35:54.840 --> 01:36:00.119
I'm sorry, they always look like claws like opening. gorgeous, isn't it?

1892
01:36:00.180 --> 01:36:02.520
No, I just think that was the listener's reaction.

1893
01:36:02.579 --> 01:36:06.840
I'm so glad we've all reached a consolidation to only do 6 partners.

1894
01:36:10.619 --> 01:36:13.680
So the Pete one is going to be Black Orchid.

1895
01:36:13.739 --> 01:36:14.579
Are you excited?

1896
01:36:14.640 --> 01:36:17.640
Oh, none of you are going to get a word in Edgway.

1897
01:36:18.060 --> 01:36:20.340
You know that thing I did?

1898
01:36:20.340 --> 01:36:21.300
We've already done a Pete one.

1899
01:36:21.359 --> 01:36:24.899
Well, yeah, we did 5 doctors, but we're going to do a proper Pete one.

1900
01:36:25.500 --> 01:36:27.539
Okay, black orchid.

1901
01:36:29.100 --> 01:36:30.840
What's the other one?

1902
01:36:30.899 --> 01:36:31.800
I just realised this...

1903
01:36:31.800 --> 01:36:32.340
Things demons.

1904
01:36:32.340 --> 01:36:33.539
See the other ones for nominating.

1905
01:36:33.600 --> 01:36:34.260
All 3 of them.

1906
01:36:34.319 --> 01:36:39.779
There's, I just, I just realised there's no rules to say you can't all nominate Black Hawk.

1907
01:36:40.140 --> 01:36:41.880
That'd be fun.

1908
01:36:43.680 --> 01:36:46.439
No, that is actually my official choice.

1909
01:36:46.560 --> 01:36:49.380
Is the 3 two-parters back to back.

1910
01:36:52.439 --> 01:36:54.840
Yeah, my official choice is season 20.

1911
01:36:59.159 --> 01:37:02.220
We can have a running body count, Todd, and we can go, oh, he's dead.

1912
01:37:02.279 --> 01:37:03.600
Oh no, he's alive. zero.

1913
01:37:03.600 --> 01:37:04.260
Still zero.

1914
01:37:04.380 --> 01:37:04.800
Shit.

1915
01:37:04.920 --> 01:37:08.819
No, we'll just watch Arc of Infinity full-time, though.

1916
01:37:09.960 --> 01:37:12.539
There is a New Zealand podcast.

1917
01:37:12.600 --> 01:37:19.439
I think it's called the worst idea in the world where they do a podcast on the same movie every week, but I can't remember the movie.

1918
01:37:19.500 --> 01:37:21.479
They mentioned it on the flop house.

1919
01:37:21.539 --> 01:37:23.159
It's like one bad movie.

1920
01:37:23.220 --> 01:37:25.140
Hold on. just look it up.

1921
01:37:25.199 --> 01:37:26.939
It's called the worst the worst idea in the world.

1922
01:37:27.000 --> 01:37:29.399
That's ridiculous. couldn't possibly do that.

1923
01:37:32.279 --> 01:37:33.720
Why?

1924
01:37:33.720 --> 01:37:34.560
Look at Pat.

1925
01:37:34.560 --> 01:37:36.239
Dressed to salamander.

1926
01:37:36.840 --> 01:37:38.939
That's gorgeous, isn't it?

1927
01:37:39.000 --> 01:37:40.979
And again, he's measuring his own meta.

1928
01:37:41.039 --> 01:37:41.880
Wonderful.

1929
01:37:42.239 --> 01:37:46.140
As Mary Pete showing that her jawline is still bigger than a week.

1930
01:37:46.199 --> 01:37:48.840
And her collar, actually. sticking out.

1931
01:37:48.899 --> 01:37:49.619
There it is.

1932
01:37:49.680 --> 01:37:50.640
And this is what episode five.

1933
01:37:50.699 --> 01:37:51.659
So she wasn't going to be in this.

1934
01:37:51.720 --> 01:37:57.180
Yeah, so I imagine that Kent in the original draft just brought him there alone.

1935
01:37:57.239 --> 01:37:57.899
Right.

1936
01:37:57.899 --> 01:38:01.079
Would she have been killed off in that room?

1937
01:38:01.140 --> 01:38:01.800
Yes.

1938
01:38:01.859 --> 01:38:07.619
No, she, according to, according to Barry and Mary, in the original script, she just disappears.

1939
01:38:07.680 --> 01:38:09.659
Like, it's like, you go off and do this.

1940
01:38:09.720 --> 01:38:14.819
Oh, they do that, don't they, in the war games with lady, whatever name is?

1941
01:38:14.939 --> 01:38:16.920
Yeah, Lady Jennifer Buckingham, who's wonderful.

1942
01:38:16.979 --> 01:38:18.300
I miss her terribly.

1943
01:38:18.359 --> 01:38:20.640
Even now I wish that she would be in things.

1944
01:38:20.699 --> 01:38:21.720
She's running for the green.

1945
01:38:21.779 --> 01:38:22.500
How did we do?

1946
01:38:22.560 --> 01:38:24.659
Why didn't we do the war games?

1947
01:38:24.720 --> 01:38:26.579
We didn't nominate that, did we?

1948
01:38:26.640 --> 01:38:27.180
No.

1949
01:38:27.239 --> 01:38:28.560
I did suggest.

1950
01:38:29.279 --> 01:38:34.920
You know, I actually really like this scene because I think Bruce is terrific.

1951
01:38:34.979 --> 01:38:53.220
You know, just that Bruce is another one of those characters like Cree Song in, um, the, abominable snowman, where he seems like a sort of harsh, um, inflexible, horrible character, but ends up being very kind of honourable and sensible.

1952
01:38:53.279 --> 01:39:03.539
And in fact, the kind of the kind of figure that children really do gravitate to because they are, there is an air of authority and predictability and rationality.

1953
01:39:03.600 --> 01:39:07.680
So in fact, they do become the moral centre of drama.

1954
01:39:07.739 --> 01:39:09.180
It is interesting.

1955
01:39:10.979 --> 01:39:16.739
He's painted as a bad guy at the beginning, but it all shifts.

1956
01:39:16.800 --> 01:39:20.640
Yeah, yeah, he's the marginalia of reason in this.

1957
01:39:20.699 --> 01:39:24.659
Everyone else is flying off centre, but he's the centre of the flower.

1958
01:39:24.720 --> 01:39:29.220
We also, um, said that about Brazen as well, in Brontios.

1959
01:39:29.699 --> 01:39:32.220
Yeah, season seems like a horrible person, but...

1960
01:39:32.520 --> 01:39:33.960
Oh, she's got the more teen can now.

1961
01:39:34.020 --> 01:39:34.920
It's not going to go well.

1962
01:39:34.979 --> 01:39:36.359
He's not impressed.

1963
01:39:36.539 --> 01:39:38.699
It's a Colin Baker look.

1964
01:39:38.939 --> 01:39:41.399
So the worst idea of all time.

1965
01:39:41.460 --> 01:39:42.479
Yes.

1966
01:39:42.479 --> 01:39:45.119
They're up to their 3rd year.

1967
01:39:45.180 --> 01:39:46.680
So they watch the same movie.

1968
01:39:46.739 --> 01:39:50.939
Hey, Jamie and Victoria back from holiday there, but they're still asleep, the lazy buggers.

1969
01:39:51.000 --> 01:39:56.819
They watch the same week, the same movie once a week for 52 weeks and do a weekly podcast.

1970
01:39:56.880 --> 01:39:58.140
So they've done grown-ups too.

1971
01:39:58.199 --> 01:39:58.800
What's that?

1972
01:39:58.800 --> 01:40:01.680
Seth Rogan.

1973
01:40:01.739 --> 01:40:05.399
I think, kind of new...

1974
01:40:05.399 --> 01:40:06.300
Bro comedy.

1975
01:40:06.359 --> 01:40:07.680
Sex and the City 2.

1976
01:40:07.859 --> 01:40:15.600
They've done for 52 weeks and they're currently in the middle of doing a film called We Are Your Friends, which I don't know about, but I think it might have Tina Fey in it.

1977
01:40:15.960 --> 01:40:21.359
Well, please never, ever get the idea that we're going to watch the same doctor.

1978
01:40:21.420 --> 01:40:22.380
What would it be?

1979
01:40:22.979 --> 01:40:23.699
What would it be?

1980
01:40:24.359 --> 01:40:25.199
The twin dilemma.

1981
01:40:25.260 --> 01:40:27.659
Even I will veto that.

1982
01:40:27.720 --> 01:40:29.100
Black Orchid.

1983
01:40:29.159 --> 01:40:30.779
Well, at least...

1984
01:40:30.779 --> 01:40:32.220
The trial of a timelord.

1985
01:40:32.699 --> 01:40:36.180
Yeah, I'd have to give up my job though, I think, probably.

1986
01:40:36.239 --> 01:40:37.859
Oh dear.

1987
01:40:37.920 --> 01:40:39.119
Oh, no.

1988
01:40:39.180 --> 01:40:42.119
No, to be, um, what's that story?

1989
01:40:42.180 --> 01:40:42.659
I can't stand.

1990
01:40:42.779 --> 01:40:44.220
Season 24.

1991
01:40:44.399 --> 01:40:46.500
Delta and the Banner.

1992
01:40:46.500 --> 01:40:46.739
Correct.

1993
01:40:46.739 --> 01:40:47.939
That would be...

1994
01:40:48.000 --> 01:40:50.159
I've watched you enjoying Delta.

1995
01:40:50.220 --> 01:40:53.520
You say that every time, Nathan, and I refuse to believe that I ever liked any of it.

1996
01:40:53.579 --> 01:40:55.380
And the good thing is, you're not going to be on that episode.

1997
01:40:55.439 --> 01:40:56.220
So we can say it again.

1998
01:40:56.699 --> 01:41:07.260
No, but earlier on, when we were talking about how serious Milton John's is Bennick, he actually kind of reminds me of Gavrock from Delta and the Batman, because Gav...

1999
01:41:07.260 --> 01:41:08.640
This is a gorgeous moment.

2000
01:41:10.020 --> 01:41:13.199
And that to me is what the doctor's always about.

2001
01:41:13.260 --> 01:41:14.939
Hand them back their instruments.

2002
01:41:15.000 --> 01:41:17.579
And it's really good when Pete does it as well.

2003
01:41:17.640 --> 01:41:26.760
Don Henderson as Gavrock plays it so deadly straight that you believe in him as a villain when it's quite frankly a ridiculous, but enjoyable the rest.

2004
01:41:26.819 --> 01:41:27.659
The rest of it's a cartoon.

2005
01:41:27.720 --> 01:41:28.020
Yeah.

2006
01:41:28.079 --> 01:41:29.159
This...

2007
01:41:29.159 --> 01:41:30.359
It does look like...

2008
01:41:30.420 --> 01:41:32.760
It's a James Bond romp.

2009
01:41:32.819 --> 01:41:38.819
And as we've discussed on Bondfinger, it's okay to have comedy in Bond films, but you have to have the villain being serious.

2010
01:41:38.880 --> 01:41:43.800
It's the, yeah, it's the whole abfab season one to the rest of the series thing.

2011
01:41:43.859 --> 01:41:46.619
You have to believe in your own characters or the whole thing falls apart.

2012
01:41:46.680 --> 01:41:50.340
So the whole thing can be a fast, but you must believe in your own performance.

2013
01:41:50.399 --> 01:41:51.180
Yeah.

2014
01:41:51.180 --> 01:41:52.739
And, and, and...

2015
01:41:52.800 --> 01:41:54.899
And the lovely thing, Billy and Pat.

2016
01:41:54.899 --> 01:42:00.720
And John, well, John up to a certain point, always held to that.

2017
01:42:00.779 --> 01:42:01.380
Tom didn't.

2018
01:42:01.500 --> 01:42:02.039
No.

2019
01:42:02.819 --> 01:42:06.779
And I don't think Pete does all the time as well because we've discussed that...

2020
01:42:06.840 --> 01:42:12.720
Yeah, I think I was going to say after Tom, the rules all go out of the... anyway, but I think I think Colin does.

2021
01:42:12.840 --> 01:42:19.920
Colin stays very true to his performance and Sylvester, once he figures out what his performance is, tries to as well.

2022
01:42:19.979 --> 01:42:26.460
I think this will be an interesting discussion for the end of the podcast series. which I know the listeners are waiting for with Bait and Grey.

2023
01:42:26.939 --> 01:42:28.979
I watch that girl.

2024
01:42:29.039 --> 01:42:29.880
Oh yeah, go on.

2025
01:42:29.939 --> 01:42:30.600
Watch that girl.

2026
01:42:30.659 --> 01:42:37.739
It's um, it's, it could so easily be fast, but and it is fast, but I love that they keep lampooning the fast with drama.

2027
01:42:37.800 --> 01:42:41.220
This is actually an inversion of the comedic trope.

2028
01:42:41.279 --> 01:42:42.420
Did we mention that yet?

2029
01:42:42.479 --> 01:42:46.140
But, yeah, no, a comedy celebrates itself as a comedy.

2030
01:42:46.199 --> 01:42:49.319
This is a drama celebrating itself as a drama by laughing at it.

2031
01:42:49.380 --> 01:42:52.319
Oh, these 2 Yeah, they are wonderful.

2032
01:42:52.380 --> 01:42:55.079
Didn't he actually, isn't isn't he also an axon?

2033
01:42:55.199 --> 01:42:57.659
No, no, that's not Bernard Holly.

2034
01:42:57.720 --> 01:43:00.479
No, he just feels sort of plastic.

2035
01:43:00.539 --> 01:43:02.520
Well, just, just, yeah.

2036
01:43:02.579 --> 01:43:05.340
If if you scrubble the gold off him.

2037
01:43:05.399 --> 01:43:08.819
Was that mail axe on ever in Doctor Who again?

2038
01:43:08.880 --> 01:43:09.779
Bernard Holly.

2039
01:43:09.840 --> 01:43:11.340
He had been in Doctor Who previously.

2040
01:43:11.399 --> 01:43:15.060
He, he, um, he is in Tomb of the Sidemen.

2041
01:43:15.119 --> 01:43:18.359
Yeah, he's a true artist because his buttocks follow you around the screen.

2042
01:43:18.420 --> 01:43:20.699
There's some...

2043
01:43:20.760 --> 01:43:23.159
There's a rather charming DVD special feature.

2044
01:43:23.220 --> 01:43:34.619
I don't know which it is, but it's the one all about action figures, and someone chose Bernard Holly, his axon action figure, and he is so chuffed that someone's made a toy of him.

2045
01:43:34.680 --> 01:43:36.600
Like, he's really just sweet and charming.

2046
01:43:36.659 --> 01:43:38.760
Oh, I had a good body then, didn't he?

2047
01:43:38.819 --> 01:43:40.680
He pretty much says that, yeah.

2048
01:43:42.060 --> 01:43:44.520
So who's preparing all this food?

2049
01:43:44.520 --> 01:43:45.960
Is it the guy in the kitchen?

2050
01:43:46.020 --> 01:43:46.739
Like, you know?

2051
01:43:46.800 --> 01:43:48.539
Is it Griffin?

2052
01:43:48.600 --> 01:43:49.680
to Australia?

2053
01:43:50.399 --> 01:43:55.020
No, but where does, like, Salamand has to organise all this stuff.

2054
01:43:55.079 --> 01:43:55.920
He must have someone.

2055
01:43:56.460 --> 01:44:00.180
Well, I suppose he's just kind of sending him tinned peaches and things.

2056
01:44:00.239 --> 01:44:03.600
So he, you know, he just gets a bulk by...

2057
01:44:03.659 --> 01:44:08.460
Yeah, we have Costco here now. sad face.

2058
01:44:11.520 --> 01:44:13.319
No, we think you are.

2059
01:44:15.119 --> 01:44:19.380
But I like that we, did you just say they didn't let people think?

2060
01:44:19.439 --> 01:44:20.640
Yes, you do.

2061
01:44:20.640 --> 01:44:22.560
How prescient?

2062
01:44:22.619 --> 01:44:23.699
Sightless worms.

2063
01:44:23.699 --> 01:44:27.239
It's got to be intentional.

2064
01:44:27.300 --> 01:44:28.260
Of course it is.

2065
01:44:28.319 --> 01:44:30.899
Yeah, deliberately like wet and ridiculous.

2066
01:44:30.960 --> 01:44:33.539
See, I think this might be a little...

2067
01:44:33.600 --> 01:44:38.279
It's I think this is a gentle lampooning of the anti-war movement.

2068
01:44:38.399 --> 01:44:43.800
Whereas the dominators is, if you don't like, well, we're going to put you in a dress because you're stupid.

2069
01:44:43.920 --> 01:44:45.300
And you'll be killed.

2070
01:44:45.359 --> 01:44:45.960
Yes.

2071
01:44:46.079 --> 01:44:50.340
This is written with great intelligence and the other one may not be.

2072
01:44:50.399 --> 01:44:51.359
Yeah Yeah.

2073
01:44:51.720 --> 01:44:56.939
Oh, well, and I just think Whitaker is vastly less nasty than...

2074
01:44:56.939 --> 01:44:58.439
Yeah, Hazman and Lincoln.

2075
01:44:58.500 --> 01:44:59.279
And that's the thing.

2076
01:44:59.340 --> 01:45:00.600
I think he's not presenting.

2077
01:45:00.600 --> 01:45:10.800
If Colin and Mary are sort of anti-war student revolutionary type characters, He's not presenting them as stupid, he's presenting them as naive.

2078
01:45:10.859 --> 01:45:12.119
Well, feckless at worst.

2079
01:45:12.180 --> 01:45:15.960
Yeah, but the thing is, meat is fragile. meat fragile.

2080
01:45:16.500 --> 01:45:18.960
It's in glass jars.

2081
01:45:19.020 --> 01:45:20.279
Oh no.

2082
01:45:20.340 --> 01:45:22.319
It's the app.

2083
01:45:22.319 --> 01:45:23.460
Oh, brilliant.

2084
01:45:23.520 --> 01:45:24.539
It's the newspaper.

2085
01:45:24.600 --> 01:45:28.560
But it's a beautiful inversion as well, because they have no internet, do they?

2086
01:45:28.619 --> 01:45:32.640
No, but he's just about to learn that Adele has released a new album.

2087
01:45:32.640 --> 01:45:37.859
Well, that La La Land is...

2088
01:45:37.859 --> 01:45:40.140
It's a lie.

2089
01:45:40.199 --> 01:45:44.760
Salamander, I'm going to let you finish, but Moonlight was the best picture of 2016.

2090
01:45:44.939 --> 01:45:48.659
Do you know how that Oscar gate happened, don't you?

2091
01:45:48.720 --> 01:45:50.699
They have been for a story.

2092
01:45:50.699 --> 01:45:57.119
I've spoken to each other for years. literally years, Beatty and Dunaway. they fought all day.

2093
01:45:57.479 --> 01:45:59.819
Who was going to pretend?

2094
01:45:59.819 --> 01:46:01.380
Two cats in a Hishing sack.

2095
01:46:01.439 --> 01:46:11.340
And the guy who was handing out the envelopes left of stage was tweeting, it's so trumpy and tweeting constantly, and because he was so busy on Twitter, he gave the wrong envelope.

2096
01:46:11.399 --> 01:46:18.960
He was handed out and it said best actress, Lala, which is why, which is why Baiti, everyone thought he was sticking.

2097
01:46:19.079 --> 01:46:19.739
Yeah.

2098
01:46:19.739 --> 01:46:23.640
And he he handed it to, he just, and he was saying, what the hell?

2099
01:46:23.699 --> 01:46:26.460
had it to Dunaway and threw her under the bus.

2100
01:46:26.579 --> 01:46:33.180
Well, the thing is, I've watched that, though, and he does sort of give her a look as if to silently say, hold on, is this right?

2101
01:46:33.239 --> 01:46:34.199
No. no?

2102
01:46:34.260 --> 01:46:36.359
But they both don't have their contacts lenses in.

2103
01:46:36.420 --> 01:46:37.619
They can only see the big font.

2104
01:46:37.680 --> 01:46:41.939
Well, in fact, she, yeah, no, he's really... anyway, we're getting off track, aren't we?

2105
01:46:42.000 --> 01:46:50.880
There was a brilliant article about the typography of those pieces of paper and the fact that best actresses written in tiny letters down the bottom of that.

2106
01:46:50.939 --> 01:47:00.720
I just love how salamander manages to convince him or almost convince him that these horrible nuclear mutants on the surface have pleasure.

2107
01:47:00.779 --> 01:47:01.439
Have a lovely holiday.

2108
01:47:01.500 --> 01:47:03.899
They're deformed in mind and body.

2109
01:47:03.960 --> 01:47:06.539
It's the inverse of Futurama.

2110
01:47:06.539 --> 01:47:09.300
On those cruises, yeah. you know, cruise lines.

2111
01:47:09.359 --> 01:47:11.819
I thought you were going to say one of those doctors.

2112
01:47:11.819 --> 01:47:15.300
I haven't been on an Atlantis cruise, but I do have to wonder.

2113
01:47:15.840 --> 01:47:19.800
Yeah, terribly devoid of all feeling, hope.

2114
01:47:19.859 --> 01:47:22.380
You know, I did love love boats.

2115
01:47:22.439 --> 01:47:24.060
Love both the next wave though.

2116
01:47:24.119 --> 01:47:25.439
I was a huge fan of that.

2117
01:47:25.500 --> 01:47:26.640
How long did that go?

2118
01:47:26.640 --> 01:47:28.439
10 episodes?

2119
01:47:28.500 --> 01:47:30.180
Not the next wave.

2120
01:47:30.239 --> 01:47:31.079
Did I remember?

2121
01:47:31.140 --> 01:47:32.640
I think it did 2 seasons.

2122
01:47:33.300 --> 01:47:38.699
I know that I know that New Fantasy Island with Malcolm McDowell didn't do very well.

2123
01:47:39.060 --> 01:47:42.359
And all of that is happening on the surface right now.

2124
01:47:42.659 --> 01:47:46.739
I think I'd rather be down there with the fabulous Darlic Bullpaper.

2125
01:47:46.800 --> 01:47:48.359
See, this is okay.

2126
01:47:48.420 --> 01:47:50.760
Like, it's salamander and this guy is good.

2127
01:47:50.819 --> 01:47:51.659
This one is good.

2128
01:47:51.720 --> 01:47:55.140
Yeah, yeah, Christopher Bird. get back into the room of the special people.

2129
01:47:55.199 --> 01:47:58.739
It's all a bit special, really. to feel that about the special people.

2130
01:47:59.579 --> 01:48:02.220
It's strange, special.

2131
01:48:02.279 --> 01:48:07.619
Because we do see him duping people upstairs and now we see him duping people in a different environment.

2132
01:48:07.739 --> 01:48:10.199
That is quite amazing how much time he's now spending down here.

2133
01:48:10.260 --> 01:48:11.520
Yeah, you know?

2134
01:48:11.640 --> 01:48:13.260
Well, now that we've had the reveal.

2135
01:48:13.319 --> 01:48:19.439
It might have been interesting to hear that Salamander was off in the records room and that's why you can't be in this bit maybe a bit earlier.

2136
01:48:19.500 --> 01:48:25.680
But it is also just an amazing kind of strange switch to how the story works.

2137
01:48:27.420 --> 01:48:29.579
And it does keep it going.

2138
01:48:29.640 --> 01:48:31.260
It's a bit genius.

2139
01:48:31.319 --> 01:48:33.000
Isn't it interesting that they were right?

2140
01:48:33.060 --> 01:48:34.739
Well, they weren't quite in the middle.

2141
01:48:34.800 --> 01:48:37.079
We are looking at our current predicament.

2142
01:48:37.199 --> 01:48:40.619
They were looking back to the 2nd World War and saying, you know, this has happened.

2143
01:48:40.680 --> 01:48:42.000
We must never let it happen again.

2144
01:48:42.060 --> 01:48:44.640
We're right here now watching it.

2145
01:48:44.699 --> 01:48:46.500
How's your research going, Brendan?

2146
01:48:46.560 --> 01:48:52.800
Well, um, love boat the next wave, and ran for 2 seasons of 25 episodes.

2147
01:48:52.859 --> 01:48:54.600
A total of 25 episodes.

2148
01:48:54.659 --> 01:48:55.500
Oh, only?

2149
01:48:55.500 --> 01:48:55.859
Yep.

2150
01:48:55.920 --> 01:48:57.479
Fent...

2151
01:48:57.479 --> 01:48:58.439
I know Robert Yuri.

2152
01:48:58.500 --> 01:49:00.720
Oh, I didn't look up the cast, but I will in a moment.

2153
01:49:00.779 --> 01:49:06.840
New Fantasy Island just called Fantasy Island, led by Malcolm McDowell, 13 episodes.

2154
01:49:06.899 --> 01:49:08.520
Michael McDowell.

2155
01:49:08.520 --> 01:49:10.560
Do you know, I would kill to watch the love boat again.

2156
01:49:10.619 --> 01:49:11.819
Why isn't that on Netflix?

2157
01:49:11.880 --> 01:49:19.920
It, you know, it, Richard, it took me 3 seasons to figure out that Murray from...

2158
01:49:19.920 --> 01:49:22.079
Mary Tyler Moore was Captain Stubing.

2159
01:49:22.619 --> 01:49:27.060
Because he finally loses all that weighty yo-yos in...

2160
01:49:27.060 --> 01:49:29.520
Wait, wait, Collins, Collins...

2161
01:49:29.579 --> 01:49:30.539
Colin's doing some acting.

2162
01:49:30.659 --> 01:49:30.960
Here we go.

2163
01:49:31.020 --> 01:49:32.159
Take me with you.

2164
01:49:32.220 --> 01:49:34.079
Don't touch the wallpaper, your dentist.

2165
01:49:34.140 --> 01:49:34.859
Does he die?

2166
01:49:34.920 --> 01:49:35.579
I've forgotten.

2167
01:49:35.640 --> 01:49:36.479
Do these people die?

2168
01:49:36.539 --> 01:49:37.560
Because I'm wishing so.

2169
01:49:37.619 --> 01:49:38.640
Just wait.

2170
01:49:38.699 --> 01:49:39.779
Actually, it's really funny.

2171
01:49:39.840 --> 01:49:41.279
I forgot and see what happens to.

2172
01:49:43.859 --> 01:49:44.939
You won't believe you get out of here.

2173
01:49:45.000 --> 01:49:45.960
We want you to get out of here.

2174
01:49:46.020 --> 01:49:48.659
You could park a speedboat in his mouth.

2175
01:49:49.260 --> 01:49:50.760
Raising.

2176
01:49:51.840 --> 01:49:53.819
We doing phrasing?

2177
01:49:54.300 --> 01:50:02.699
It seems like ever since we've seen Victoria and Jamie, but aren't we about to get her moment?

2178
01:50:02.760 --> 01:50:04.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2179
01:50:04.380 --> 01:50:08.939
Oh, and he's really frightening.

2180
01:50:09.000 --> 01:50:12.479
You know, every time he walks into a room, you think it could be a cliffhanger.

2181
01:50:12.539 --> 01:50:13.260
He's just that good.

2182
01:50:14.460 --> 01:50:20.100
He really does feel like Teresa May with mystectomy, doesn't he?

2183
01:50:20.159 --> 01:50:21.359
Yeah.

2184
01:50:21.359 --> 01:50:28.380
It's not a sight I wanted to have. we don't we don't body shame people, but even Jeremy Hardy, I think, said this week.

2185
01:50:28.439 --> 01:50:31.859
It is like watching an animated corpse whenever Theresa may presume.

2186
01:50:31.920 --> 01:50:34.020
So to speak, phrasing.

2187
01:50:34.140 --> 01:50:35.640
Dead inside.

2188
01:50:35.699 --> 01:50:36.659
No.

2189
01:50:36.720 --> 01:50:38.220
Oh, look at that love.

2190
01:50:38.279 --> 01:50:39.600
Wonderful.

2191
01:50:39.600 --> 01:50:40.199
Fabulous.

2192
01:50:40.260 --> 01:50:41.880
And there's no mirth in it at all.

2193
01:50:41.939 --> 01:50:43.380
No, not in English teeth.

2194
01:50:43.500 --> 01:50:45.779
No. resistance.

2195
01:50:46.020 --> 01:50:47.520
Boy.

2196
01:50:47.760 --> 01:50:49.319
Vim.

2197
01:50:49.680 --> 01:50:51.720
I wonder how long you'll last.

2198
01:50:52.439 --> 01:50:54.420
Oh, wandering.

2199
01:50:54.420 --> 01:50:56.819
Seriously, can we discuss whether we're doing freezer?

2200
01:50:56.880 --> 01:50:58.800
10, perhaps, really?

2201
01:50:58.859 --> 01:51:00.600
That's optimistic, surely.

2202
01:51:00.720 --> 01:51:02.039
Oh, good grief.

2203
01:51:02.100 --> 01:51:03.180
This is filth.

2204
01:51:07.439 --> 01:51:10.439
Oh, goodness.

2205
01:51:10.500 --> 01:51:11.819
That's so terrifying.

2206
01:51:11.880 --> 01:51:13.199
I want grunting too.

2207
01:51:13.260 --> 01:51:13.920
Look at him.

2208
01:51:13.979 --> 01:51:15.659
He's really really good.

2209
01:51:16.800 --> 01:51:18.659
And filthy.

2210
01:51:19.619 --> 01:51:21.840
Well, what's he doing to?

2211
01:51:21.899 --> 01:51:22.560
Oh, not much.

2212
01:51:22.739 --> 01:51:26.819
And he's just got this, like, he can freeze parts of his face.

2213
01:51:26.880 --> 01:51:29.520
Like he just freezes his eyes and everything else.

2214
01:51:29.579 --> 01:51:30.539
B Botox, yeah.

2215
01:51:30.600 --> 01:51:30.840
Yeah.

2216
01:51:30.899 --> 01:51:34.500
He never really got to be a villain properly again, did he?

2217
01:51:34.560 --> 01:51:37.439
He was always just like sidekick. to the villain.

2218
01:51:37.500 --> 01:51:39.720
But I think that...

2219
01:51:39.779 --> 01:51:45.840
I think that's kind of good though, because he plays 3 parts in Doctor Who and he shows different parts of his range in each.

2220
01:51:49.260 --> 01:51:54.359
Like Kelner, you know, starts off really efficient and then becomes a toady.

2221
01:51:54.420 --> 01:52:01.199
But no, he's always a bit kind of oleaginous, I think, at the, like even towards the doctor when the doctor's being a weirdo.

2222
01:52:01.979 --> 01:52:04.680
Veronica Vimpus?

2223
01:52:04.739 --> 01:52:07.380
There's the problem with the... with the subtitle.

2224
01:52:07.439 --> 01:52:11.279
I think that was maybe one of her other stage names we never heard about.

2225
01:52:11.340 --> 01:52:16.140
I did say at the beginning you could be watching the DVD, but I have a feeling the DVD subtitles probably don't screw that up.

2226
01:52:16.199 --> 01:52:17.579
Who knows?

2227
01:52:18.119 --> 01:52:20.039
Brigadoon.

2228
01:52:20.100 --> 01:52:22.800
I think that's what this episode should be cool.

2229
01:52:23.819 --> 01:52:26.220
This is horrible, yeah.

2230
01:52:26.279 --> 01:52:26.819
Yeah, yeah.

2231
01:52:26.819 --> 01:52:32.340
It's, it's, it is as, as dire as anything that season 22 manages.

2232
01:52:32.460 --> 01:52:35.579
Well, there's a bit less cannibalism in this than in the season.

2233
01:52:35.640 --> 01:52:36.180
Or so far.

2234
01:52:36.239 --> 01:52:38.520
We don't know what the fragile meat was.

2235
01:52:39.300 --> 01:52:43.319
I mean, you know, Drew Barham, Mary's brother.

2236
01:52:43.380 --> 01:52:45.600
Milton John's is strictly a set of ore.

2237
01:52:45.659 --> 01:52:47.460
He's not happy.

2238
01:52:48.899 --> 01:52:50.939
Yeah, here comes.

2239
01:52:51.000 --> 01:52:54.539
I agree with you, Todd. is absolutely one of Victoria's finest moments.

2240
01:52:54.840 --> 01:52:57.960
The doctor's being a bit mean here, though.

2241
01:52:58.020 --> 01:52:58.800
Why is he doing this?

2242
01:52:58.859 --> 01:53:02.460
Well, he's doing it to convince... he's got to show Bruce, yeah.

2243
01:53:02.520 --> 01:53:03.359
Yeah, Bruce.

2244
01:53:03.420 --> 01:53:04.739
Call to us.

2245
01:53:07.199 --> 01:53:09.840
Yeah, Jamie doesn't step up.

2246
01:53:14.699 --> 01:53:16.920
No, he has to prove too.

2247
01:53:16.979 --> 01:53:24.359
Yeah, yeah, he has to catch up to Victoria, which is a, is a, it's an element of his character that comes a lot more to the 4 with Zoe.

2248
01:53:24.420 --> 01:53:26.039
He's constantly competing with Zoe.

2249
01:53:26.100 --> 01:53:28.020
Yeah, which is rather sweet.

2250
01:53:28.079 --> 01:53:34.199
That lovely scene when they're on the machines in the Crotons, I think, is just spectacular.

2251
01:53:37.500 --> 01:53:40.439
Yeah, she's doing a good job here isn't she?

2252
01:53:40.500 --> 01:53:41.340
I think she's terrific.

2253
01:53:41.399 --> 01:53:44.880
It is, she is rarely given much to do.

2254
01:53:44.939 --> 01:53:48.899
And in the previous story, of course, there was lots of her running around being menaced.

2255
01:53:49.020 --> 01:53:55.500
Yeah, Todd, does this influence your received opinion to the fan base of the character of Victoria?

2256
01:53:55.979 --> 01:53:58.619
She's my least favourite.

2257
01:53:58.619 --> 01:54:00.840
Just, doesn't it, um, doesn't it elevate?

2258
01:54:00.840 --> 01:54:01.979
Trouton companion.

2259
01:54:02.039 --> 01:54:04.380
By far, but that is a fantastic moment.

2260
01:54:04.439 --> 01:54:06.539
And that's not Debbie's fault, you know?

2261
01:54:06.600 --> 01:54:07.439
No, I agree.

2262
01:54:07.500 --> 01:54:10.560
She rises to this, but I just don't I love her in this.

2263
01:54:10.560 --> 01:54:14.579
Victoria's whining and screaming and being put in peril all the time.

2264
01:54:14.699 --> 01:54:15.899
But I'm finding Perry...

2265
01:54:15.899 --> 01:54:18.600
It's kind of written the same way.

2266
01:54:18.659 --> 01:54:19.979
Yeah, I think so too.

2267
01:54:20.100 --> 01:54:25.500
But I think I think there is a season 5 problem as well as just a Victoria problem.

2268
01:54:25.560 --> 01:54:27.119
The same story over and over again.

2269
01:54:27.180 --> 01:54:28.260
Yeah, very much so.

2270
01:54:28.319 --> 01:54:29.100
Same here.

2271
01:54:29.159 --> 01:54:31.560
Well, here there's something different to do.

2272
01:54:31.619 --> 01:54:37.380
Oh, and slosh it all about. swine, you swine.

2273
01:54:37.439 --> 01:54:42.899
Um, as you said, way back when we when we 1st covered these, Richard.

2274
01:54:43.979 --> 01:54:51.119
And part of that formula problem is it means, you know, the doctor gets to do the clever eccentric things, Jamie gets to punch people in the face and Victoria gets to scream at people.

2275
01:54:51.180 --> 01:54:55.319
And the actors really try to do more with it.

2276
01:54:56.039 --> 01:55:04.680
But yeah, unfortunately, as much as, you know, watching these and watching the recons gave me a new appreciation of Victoria, I have to agree with you, Todd.

2277
01:55:04.739 --> 01:55:14.640
I think she's my least favourite trout and companion because watching the recons with Ben and Polly, I found how just how much character they jammed into those two.

2278
01:55:14.699 --> 01:55:16.260
I really like them.

2279
01:55:16.319 --> 01:55:18.899
But it's a hard choice because they're pretty much all good.

2280
01:55:18.960 --> 01:55:22.500
You know, it's not like who's your least favourite heart or companion, Dodo.

2281
01:55:22.619 --> 01:55:25.199
Yeah.

2282
01:55:25.199 --> 01:55:28.560
Yeah, she's pretty dumb.

2283
01:55:28.619 --> 01:55:28.979
Yeah.

2284
01:55:29.039 --> 01:55:32.520
I mean, you could you could say the Ormolu clock could be.

2285
01:55:32.579 --> 01:55:34.619
She's in some really terrible stories, though.

2286
01:55:34.680 --> 01:55:36.000
She's great in gunfighters.

2287
01:55:36.060 --> 01:55:36.479
Shockers.

2288
01:55:36.539 --> 01:55:37.800
Yeah, she's great in gunfighters.

2289
01:55:37.859 --> 01:55:42.840
But you're implementable in the celestial joy maker.

2290
01:55:42.899 --> 01:55:43.979
I mean, that is so awful.

2291
01:55:43.979 --> 01:55:45.960
No one comes out of that coveting glory.

2292
01:55:46.020 --> 01:55:49.140
Gary Russell still likes celestial.

2293
01:55:49.199 --> 01:55:49.859
Some people do.

2294
01:55:49.920 --> 01:55:52.140
Gary Russell likes you to a kill.

2295
01:55:52.199 --> 01:55:54.000
And he hates the spy who love me.

2296
01:55:54.060 --> 01:55:55.199
And Dr. Pussy.

2297
01:55:55.260 --> 01:55:56.039
Enough.

2298
01:55:57.659 --> 01:56:01.439
We're back with Mary in the security caravan.

2299
01:56:02.220 --> 01:56:07.739
Um, young Brandon, font of all Wiz and Dom.

2300
01:56:07.800 --> 01:56:10.680
What's um, he's not very Dom, but he's quite whiz.

2301
01:56:10.739 --> 01:56:15.600
What's your what's your take on Mary Peach's glittering career?

2302
01:56:15.960 --> 01:56:19.920
Um, I'm actually quite surprised that film.

2303
01:56:19.979 --> 01:56:22.020
I don't know her from other things.

2304
01:56:22.079 --> 01:56:22.859
Yeah, exactly.

2305
01:56:22.920 --> 01:56:25.380
And we know most of the gills of this era, don't we?

2306
01:56:25.439 --> 01:56:27.000
Yeah, she's game girl.

2307
01:56:27.060 --> 01:56:30.359
She should do a lot more stuff on stage or other British shows that I just don't know.

2308
01:56:30.420 --> 01:56:31.500
I looked around.

2309
01:56:31.560 --> 01:56:32.399
I'll look her up again.

2310
01:56:32.460 --> 01:56:37.439
I did look her up earlier, but she was after this primarily a film actress.

2311
01:56:37.500 --> 01:56:38.460
Right.

2312
01:56:38.520 --> 01:56:43.140
In other words, she actually managed to get a career after Doctor Who, which doesn't happen to many girls.

2313
01:56:43.260 --> 01:56:44.880
No, but you can see why it would, though.

2314
01:56:45.000 --> 01:56:47.340
Well, that's what she was up for, yeah.

2315
01:56:47.399 --> 01:56:51.479
She really, she was trying to get into the bond pictures and she never did, did she?

2316
01:56:51.539 --> 01:56:57.420
Yeah, one of her most famous roles was in the 1970 Scrooge film.

2317
01:56:57.479 --> 01:56:58.619
Right.

2318
01:56:58.680 --> 01:57:01.800
The famous one with was it Albert Finney?

2319
01:57:01.859 --> 01:57:02.760
Oh, the musical.

2320
01:57:02.819 --> 01:57:03.180
Yeah.

2321
01:57:03.239 --> 01:57:04.079
What is she in that?

2322
01:57:04.199 --> 01:57:05.699
Do you know that?

2323
01:57:05.760 --> 01:57:06.779
I watch it.

2324
01:57:06.840 --> 01:57:08.220
That's my favourite version of Scrooge.

2325
01:57:08.279 --> 01:57:09.180
Oh, really?

2326
01:57:09.180 --> 01:57:13.800
We watch it as kids. and so whenever it was on Wednesday. joy, isn't he?

2327
01:57:13.859 --> 01:57:14.220
Watch that.

2328
01:57:14.279 --> 01:57:16.199
That's terribly sweet.

2329
01:57:16.260 --> 01:57:20.220
Um, she was Marianne Lewis in Disraeli.

2330
01:57:20.220 --> 01:57:22.199
Mm, the Disraeli series.

2331
01:57:22.260 --> 01:57:24.420
Did we ever see Pat Trouton play Disraeli?

2332
01:57:24.479 --> 01:57:25.859
I keep feeling I did once.

2333
01:57:25.920 --> 01:57:27.840
She's not got a big part in Scrooge.

2334
01:57:27.960 --> 01:57:28.920
She's Fred's wife.

2335
01:57:29.039 --> 01:57:32.340
So when you see Fred, I don't even remember Fred.

2336
01:57:32.399 --> 01:57:33.899
But, you know, she did, she did films.

2337
01:57:33.960 --> 01:57:43.739
She did plays for today, but yeah, I don't think, except possibly for that Disraeli miniseries that she ever had a big regular role.

2338
01:57:43.800 --> 01:57:45.659
It was always small.

2339
01:57:45.720 --> 01:57:48.180
Well, sorry, it was always the guest role in something else.

2340
01:57:48.300 --> 01:57:49.739
She have kids?

2341
01:57:49.800 --> 01:57:53.460
Look, I'm about to bash someone's head in with a big lead pipe.

2342
01:57:53.520 --> 01:57:54.239
Quite right too.

2343
01:57:55.260 --> 01:57:57.000
Oh is he dead?

2344
01:57:57.060 --> 01:57:58.800
No, it's all tomato sauce.

2345
01:57:58.859 --> 01:58:01.380
And it is actually tomato sauce, which is hilarious.

2346
01:58:01.439 --> 01:58:03.300
So I was just distracted.

2347
01:58:04.859 --> 01:58:06.899
Strike the gun.

2348
01:58:06.960 --> 01:58:10.140
Oh, this is great, isn't it?

2349
01:58:10.199 --> 01:58:12.539
Someone's not being very...

2350
01:58:12.539 --> 01:58:16.020
Richard, have you written this entry on IMDb?

2351
01:58:16.079 --> 01:58:18.539
Sturdy, attractive blonde British actress.

2352
01:58:19.920 --> 01:58:22.140
Oh, we're back on location.

2353
01:58:22.199 --> 01:58:24.600
The most backhanded compliment you can possibly get.

2354
01:58:24.659 --> 01:58:26.039
Yeah, Hartnell's entry, isn't it?

2355
01:58:26.159 --> 01:58:34.859
Best known as Rock Hudson's wife who must cope with being the spouse of a military man. and homosexual in a gathering of eagles.

2356
01:58:34.920 --> 01:58:36.359
Fancy.

2357
01:58:36.420 --> 01:58:39.539
Now we're about to come up to the cliffhanger.

2358
01:58:39.600 --> 01:58:41.279
Is she on location here or back in studio?

2359
01:58:41.340 --> 01:58:42.659
No, she's back in she's back in the studio.

2360
01:58:42.720 --> 01:58:45.300
But this is we're getting up to the cliffhanger, aren't we?

2361
01:58:45.359 --> 01:58:48.479
Yeah, so she's going to wander for a bit.

2362
01:58:48.539 --> 01:58:51.300
And then Salamander's gonna...

2363
01:58:51.359 --> 01:58:51.659
Oh, yeah.

2364
01:58:51.720 --> 01:58:53.520
It's another one of these sort of...

2365
01:58:53.520 --> 01:58:57.359
Yeah, conceptual. we already know what she's about to find out.

2366
01:58:57.420 --> 01:58:59.760
So the rest of her career, yeah.

2367
01:58:59.819 --> 01:59:01.800
Yeah, that's...

2368
01:59:01.800 --> 01:59:02.760
Is she going to react?

2369
01:59:02.819 --> 01:59:06.479
Now that these 2 halves of the story have finally collided.

2370
01:59:06.539 --> 01:59:10.319
Which I think in storytelling terms, it's called dramatic irony.

2371
01:59:10.319 --> 01:59:13.500
When the audience knows something that the characters don't know yet.

2372
01:59:13.560 --> 01:59:20.340
A lovely simulac, this movement through the brush is also her fear and horror of, oh, hello.

2373
01:59:20.399 --> 01:59:21.359
Swan.

2374
01:59:21.420 --> 01:59:23.279
It is, the dying swan.

2375
01:59:24.420 --> 01:59:26.460
Not the black one.

2376
01:59:27.600 --> 01:59:29.520
Salamander.

2377
01:59:31.920 --> 01:59:33.720
That's a great.

2378
01:59:33.779 --> 01:59:34.439
Not the slashes back.

2379
01:59:34.500 --> 01:59:39.060
I'm sorry terrific story.

2380
01:59:39.119 --> 01:59:39.899
This is delicious.

2381
01:59:39.960 --> 01:59:45.180
I hope you're watching it on your iPhone on the train while you're heading off to school or whatever it is you do.

2382
01:59:45.239 --> 01:59:46.680
No, yeah, I'm just...

2383
01:59:46.739 --> 01:59:47.640
There's surprises at the end.

2384
01:59:47.699 --> 01:59:51.779
Now, I'm just thinking ahead to what Astra does in the last episode.

2385
01:59:51.779 --> 01:59:53.039
And I'm seeing that, you know what?

2386
01:59:53.100 --> 01:59:53.460
Yeah.

2387
01:59:53.520 --> 01:59:59.340
The last 2 episodes would still function in much the same way.

2388
01:59:59.399 --> 02:00:05.760
Astrid's kind of given a separate plot thread, which runs alongside, you know, finding Swan and whatnot.

2389
02:00:05.819 --> 02:00:11.399
But the thing is, as we will discover in the next episode, Kent already knows about the underground thing.

2390
02:00:11.460 --> 02:00:14.220
So it's a very clever thing that Barry and the production team have done.

2391
02:00:14.279 --> 02:00:15.779
Spoilt it for me.

2392
02:00:15.840 --> 02:00:18.119
Since we're bleeding right in.

2393
02:00:18.180 --> 02:00:20.039
This is in Lloyd's last go, isn't it?

2394
02:00:20.159 --> 02:00:23.159
Yes, Peter Bryant becomes producer from next door.

2395
02:00:23.220 --> 02:00:34.199
And it's partly because Innisloyd started... thought that the tenure had been something of a failure, and he was trying all the same things that J and T was trying with guest stars and new ideas.

2396
02:00:34.260 --> 02:00:35.699
I think he was missing.

2397
02:00:35.760 --> 02:00:37.800
What was his 1st story?

2398
02:00:37.859 --> 02:00:40.619
Is it celestial toymaker or somewhere around there?

2399
02:00:40.680 --> 02:00:42.420
We want to sub blame him for it.

2400
02:00:42.479 --> 02:00:46.619
It's, it's, it's, it is, yeah, end of, end of...

2401
02:00:46.619 --> 02:00:47.760
This acts the end of Billy.

2402
02:00:47.819 --> 02:00:48.420
End of Billy.

2403
02:00:48.479 --> 02:00:52.079
It's towards the end of Billy, but is it war machines or is it the one before?

2404
02:00:52.079 --> 02:00:53.159
Or the savages?

2405
02:00:53.220 --> 02:00:55.319
I think it might be the savages actually.

2406
02:00:55.439 --> 02:00:58.319
But the handover, you're right, Todd. was around that point, so.

2407
02:00:58.500 --> 02:01:02.880
So he's been on the show, like, a good 20 months.

2408
02:01:04.199 --> 02:01:12.300
Yeah, well, really, it's such an interesting point to go because we're getting the beginning of the let's, the unofficial beginning of a let's era.

2409
02:01:12.359 --> 02:01:16.439
And it feels so much like, I mean, the pace of it's a pertway story.

2410
02:01:16.500 --> 02:01:21.000
Well, this is Let's, but I think the Let's era is still a little way off.

2411
02:01:21.060 --> 02:01:27.960
No, no, but I mean the sense of it and the pace of it because it's remarkedly different from even early season four.

2412
02:01:28.140 --> 02:01:30.479
Yeah, you're right.

2413
02:01:30.539 --> 02:01:33.659
He ran from the celestial toy maker through to enemy of the world.

2414
02:01:33.720 --> 02:01:36.899
Although Celestial Toymaker was the typical thing then of the time.

2415
02:01:36.960 --> 02:01:38.640
I love we don't know how long he's been there.

2416
02:01:40.020 --> 02:01:42.840
That feels like it could have been the cliffhanger.

2417
02:01:42.899 --> 02:01:45.000
How did she get him down into the cave?

2418
02:01:45.060 --> 02:01:51.659
Because she's dragged dragged him by the head wound.

2419
02:01:52.079 --> 02:01:54.119
She used her hair.

2420
02:01:54.180 --> 02:01:59.220
Tomb of the Cybermen was produced by Peter Bryant as a test piece for him to then take over.

2421
02:01:59.460 --> 02:02:08.880
Um, But I don't, I think his reinvention of the show was a great success, but I think you're right, Richard.

2422
02:02:08.939 --> 02:02:18.899
He got out at the right time because he'd introduced this formula and it's, yeah, it's pretty telling that even when we get to the Barry Letts era and there's a formula of where on earth.

2423
02:02:18.960 --> 02:02:23.100
That's really the only commonality between the earth stories.

2424
02:02:23.159 --> 02:02:24.659
It's not the same beats every week.

2425
02:02:24.779 --> 02:02:26.100
I don't get bored.

2426
02:02:26.159 --> 02:02:26.399
Yeah.

2427
02:02:26.520 --> 02:02:28.199
Do you talk?

2428
02:02:28.260 --> 02:02:29.399
Well, later on.

2429
02:02:29.460 --> 02:02:33.119
Well, the patchwear is forever evolving and changing.

2430
02:02:33.180 --> 02:02:37.800
Like, you know, every season from the start to the finish. even within stories.

2431
02:02:37.800 --> 02:02:49.800
Whereas here the, well, not with this story, but with all the ones around, this really from, you know, there's that sameness about...

2432
02:02:49.859 --> 02:02:54.960
I think season 6 is a bit more experimental, even though it failed sometimes.

2433
02:02:55.020 --> 02:02:56.760
Different producer.

2434
02:02:56.819 --> 02:02:58.079
Yeah, it's.

2435
02:02:59.279 --> 02:03:02.340
It's kind of funny, really, that good shot.

2436
02:03:02.520 --> 02:03:18.659
Season 5 this season, you don't get the saminess if you dip in and out of Doctor Who like we have for a lot of our lives, but yeah, sitting down to watch it all together, kind of by the time you get to Webber Fear, you're just like, oh, God, again?

2437
02:03:19.020 --> 02:03:21.239
Again, with the robots.

2438
02:03:22.199 --> 02:03:24.600
But you watch them in...

2439
02:03:24.600 --> 02:03:26.939
You watch them individually.

2440
02:03:27.000 --> 02:03:27.420
Perhaps.

2441
02:03:27.420 --> 02:03:28.199
It seems away from me.

2442
02:03:28.260 --> 02:03:38.699
Perhaps if you say picked out a story by chance using the randomiser.net and happened to get...

2443
02:03:38.760 --> 02:03:41.520
That was the randomiser.net.

2444
02:03:41.579 --> 02:03:43.619
And, you know, you just happen to get those stories.

2445
02:03:43.680 --> 02:03:53.340
It's kind of funny that it's not made for the video era, but this season works really well in the video era. beautifully, doesn't it?

2446
02:03:53.399 --> 02:04:02.460
Well, because it understands cereal, at which developed for cinema week by week, people go along a Saturday afternoon, watch something exactly like this.

2447
02:04:02.520 --> 02:04:06.000
But, you know, at the same time, we're watching it as critical adults.

2448
02:04:06.060 --> 02:04:12.000
I think the 8 to 10 year olds would have just lapped it up without thinking, oh, this you know, but this is where the aliens invaded last month.

2449
02:04:12.060 --> 02:04:18.539
I mean, you would have had great appreciation for this having watched this at 10 because we all had feelings about underworld, didn't we, Tom?

2450
02:04:19.199 --> 02:04:21.359
Bleeding from the ears.

2451
02:04:21.659 --> 02:04:23.460
Naughty pants.

2452
02:04:24.659 --> 02:04:26.520
Oh, good on you.

2453
02:04:28.800 --> 02:04:32.279
You've kept me on hold for 10 minutes now.

2454
02:04:32.399 --> 02:04:34.079
I'm never using butter.

2455
02:04:34.140 --> 02:04:40.380
I want some Kentucky fried chicken and...

2456
02:04:40.439 --> 02:04:42.119
Hello, who's that?

2457
02:04:42.180 --> 02:04:42.720
Zoe?

2458
02:04:42.779 --> 02:04:43.560
Oh, you're coming soon.

2459
02:04:44.819 --> 02:04:46.859
You're not listening.

2460
02:04:49.979 --> 02:04:52.319
Plenty of public funds, you dirty.

2461
02:04:52.380 --> 02:04:53.939
No, I've seen your postcards.

2462
02:04:54.000 --> 02:04:56.039
Public phones in 2017.

2463
02:04:56.220 --> 02:05:01.260
Because not because it's a lovely alternate history and apps were banned along with mobiles.

2464
02:05:01.319 --> 02:05:01.920
And you know what?

2465
02:05:01.979 --> 02:05:03.539
It's probably the greatest vision for the future.

2466
02:05:03.600 --> 02:05:07.140
There'd be no Twittering if they want to know that on mobile phone.

2467
02:05:07.199 --> 02:05:08.760
But you get bored at the bus stop.

2468
02:05:08.819 --> 02:05:12.479
No, we could just have buses for each other, so we can just...

2469
02:05:12.600 --> 02:05:19.260
I do love that Nokia are bringing back the 3310 and it's just a texting and phone device with snake.

2470
02:05:19.319 --> 02:05:24.899
We won't get it here, though, because it's 2G only, and our last 2G networks are being switched off in October.

2471
02:05:24.960 --> 02:05:26.579
It's kind of beautiful, isn't it?

2472
02:05:26.640 --> 02:05:29.100
Yeah, yeah. 4 days before charging.

2473
02:05:29.159 --> 02:05:32.819
It's because you couldn't do anything on that. evaporated.

2474
02:05:34.140 --> 02:05:35.939
I was tempted.

2475
02:05:36.960 --> 02:05:38.819
What is this?

2476
02:05:39.300 --> 02:05:41.039
What is this?

2477
02:05:41.039 --> 02:05:41.819
house.

2478
02:05:41.880 --> 02:05:42.479
We live in a house.

2479
02:05:43.079 --> 02:05:45.239
Why are they lying to him now?

2480
02:05:45.300 --> 02:05:45.899
terrific.

2481
02:05:45.960 --> 02:05:48.479
Oh, I like the security.

2482
02:05:48.539 --> 02:05:49.739
It's a poisoned?

2483
02:05:49.800 --> 02:05:50.340
It's gruel.

2484
02:05:50.399 --> 02:05:52.439
No, it is it is the happiness patrol plant.

2485
02:05:52.500 --> 02:05:54.239
Food, glorious food.

2486
02:05:54.720 --> 02:06:00.359
Do you realise, though, this is, in fact, a set from the Colin Baker season 22 era?

2487
02:06:00.420 --> 02:06:01.140
Look at the costumes.

2488
02:06:01.199 --> 02:06:02.340
It really is.

2489
02:06:02.399 --> 02:06:03.359
What?

2490
02:06:03.359 --> 02:06:04.560
I would have timelash.

2491
02:06:04.619 --> 02:06:06.539
I would have loved these costumes in time.

2492
02:06:06.659 --> 02:06:08.699
I would have killed for some colour variation.

2493
02:06:08.760 --> 02:06:09.720
Feels like time rash.

2494
02:06:09.779 --> 02:06:10.800
What do think?

2495
02:06:10.859 --> 02:06:13.079
It feels like time rash.

2496
02:06:13.140 --> 02:06:16.680
It looks like Talmash, but you taste it.

2497
02:06:16.739 --> 02:06:18.720
Okay, who's worse?

2498
02:06:18.779 --> 02:06:19.920
Mary or Vina?

2499
02:06:20.279 --> 02:06:21.960
Oh, Mary.

2500
02:06:22.020 --> 02:06:22.859
I love Vina.

2501
02:06:24.000 --> 02:06:26.640
Vina does have another world leader.

2502
02:06:26.640 --> 02:06:27.960
She's stressed, we don't mean Mary Peach.

2503
02:06:28.020 --> 02:06:28.739
No, do this.

2504
02:06:28.739 --> 02:06:29.039
No.

2505
02:06:29.880 --> 02:06:31.739
Navina has that ability to sort of...

2506
02:06:31.739 --> 02:06:32.220
Mary White House.

2507
02:06:32.279 --> 02:06:33.720
Float through.

2508
02:06:34.380 --> 02:06:35.460
Yeah, float through the wall.

2509
02:06:35.460 --> 02:06:37.859
Like the evaporating.

2510
02:06:37.920 --> 02:06:38.579
Yes.

2511
02:06:39.239 --> 02:06:40.380
It's for your hair love.

2512
02:06:40.439 --> 02:06:42.060
Like you get your hair done in there.

2513
02:06:42.119 --> 02:06:43.380
You get one of those.

2514
02:06:43.439 --> 02:06:46.439
Oh, I think it's a celerium.

2515
02:06:46.500 --> 02:06:47.819
It's a machine powering off.

2516
02:06:47.880 --> 02:06:48.359
It says so.

2517
02:06:48.420 --> 02:06:49.500
I should.

2518
02:06:49.500 --> 02:06:50.699
Oh, the wormu.

2519
02:06:50.819 --> 02:06:53.039
We're not hiring you again.

2520
02:06:53.520 --> 02:06:55.199
Why are they so scared?

2521
02:06:55.260 --> 02:06:56.939
I mean, obviously she's a mutant.

2522
02:06:57.000 --> 02:06:57.600
It's a hare.

2523
02:06:57.659 --> 02:06:59.340
Yeah, yeah, she's got an evil body.

2524
02:06:59.399 --> 02:07:01.680
She's going to take off her hair and she have another head.

2525
02:07:01.739 --> 02:07:03.659
She doesn't like one of the village of the damned.

2526
02:07:03.720 --> 02:07:05.520
Or as you say, Lisa Marie from Mars Attack.

2527
02:07:06.300 --> 02:07:11.220
Actually. come to help you.

2528
02:07:11.279 --> 02:07:12.060
She's awful.

2529
02:07:12.060 --> 02:07:13.260
I'm Teresa May.

2530
02:07:13.319 --> 02:07:15.659
I've come to help you How did they get the fight?

2531
02:07:15.720 --> 02:07:16.199
Yes exactly.

2532
02:07:16.260 --> 02:07:17.699
Where did they get the farming implement?

2533
02:07:17.760 --> 02:07:19.199
Under...

2534
02:07:19.319 --> 02:07:21.899
Please stop.

2535
02:07:21.960 --> 02:07:22.979
Stop hitting me with sticks.

2536
02:07:23.039 --> 02:07:25.020
Get back getting back.

2537
02:07:25.140 --> 02:07:27.539
We're not doing the demons for years, years.

2538
02:07:27.600 --> 02:07:29.640
Oh, there's Margot in the background.

2539
02:07:29.699 --> 02:07:31.500
Margot.

2540
02:07:31.500 --> 02:07:32.760
Yeah, it looks like Margot.

2541
02:07:32.819 --> 02:07:35.039
You must be carrying.

2542
02:07:41.100 --> 02:07:42.479
Oh goodness.

2543
02:07:43.859 --> 02:07:45.420
Dead?

2544
02:07:45.479 --> 02:07:52.380
Yeah, so she really actually plays a massively crucial role, you know, overthrowning salamander in this in this episode.

2545
02:07:52.439 --> 02:07:53.819
Yeah, she's huge.

2546
02:07:53.880 --> 02:07:55.680
You know, I woman, no.

2547
02:07:55.800 --> 02:08:00.000
Do you think this could have been written for one of the companions?

2548
02:08:00.600 --> 02:08:04.020
Yeah, quite possibly, but also apparently in the 1st draft.

2549
02:08:04.079 --> 02:08:07.859
Nathan, you've alluded to a line earlier that explains what happens to these people.

2550
02:08:07.920 --> 02:08:09.000
That wasn't in there.

2551
02:08:09.060 --> 02:08:12.239
So they just kind of disappear halfway through episode six.

2552
02:08:12.300 --> 02:08:15.600
So I think it kind keeping her on kind of solved a problem.

2553
02:08:15.899 --> 02:08:18.600
I just want those fricking resort wear.

2554
02:08:18.659 --> 02:08:20.220
So fantastic.

2555
02:08:20.279 --> 02:08:21.420
I love what Mary is wearing.

2556
02:08:21.479 --> 02:08:22.739
I quite like Colin's shirt.

2557
02:08:22.800 --> 02:08:24.539
Marameka's taken over the future.

2558
02:08:25.380 --> 02:08:28.140
People did actually wear crap like this.

2559
02:08:28.199 --> 02:08:33.119
Yeah, I know, and I've got proof my parents holding me now, if it's just like, they were on the set, probably.

2560
02:08:33.180 --> 02:08:36.180
Oh, yeah, and yet she didn't have a career.

2561
02:08:36.239 --> 02:08:36.840
Look at that face.

2562
02:08:36.960 --> 02:08:43.439
I mean, surely there's people would have still been doing Dickens dramas where they needed consumptive.

2563
02:08:43.500 --> 02:08:44.760
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

2564
02:08:44.819 --> 02:08:50.100
Girl people. to stare fixedly into the middle distance for 20 minutes.

2565
02:08:50.159 --> 02:08:52.739
I'm surprised she made it to the end of the shoot.

2566
02:08:52.859 --> 02:08:55.020
This machine's up what?

2567
02:08:55.079 --> 02:08:55.800
Oh, thanks.

2568
02:08:56.460 --> 02:08:58.199
Right, keep going.

2569
02:08:58.380 --> 02:09:00.359
I love Colin.

2570
02:09:00.420 --> 02:09:03.479
Did he actually play Janet Fielding's nephew?

2571
02:09:04.380 --> 02:09:05.880
so much.

2572
02:09:05.939 --> 02:09:08.819
I thought he was going to play that grandfather.

2573
02:09:09.899 --> 02:09:11.760
No, it's 2018.

2574
02:09:11.939 --> 02:09:13.199
I'm Andrew.

2575
02:09:13.199 --> 02:09:17.039
Can you imagine what Janet would have done had she had the Mary Peach part?

2576
02:09:17.100 --> 02:09:18.899
Oh, she'd have been great.

2577
02:09:18.960 --> 02:09:19.439
Yeah.

2578
02:09:19.439 --> 02:09:21.960
Should have been great in a completely different way.

2579
02:09:22.020 --> 02:09:25.260
You're all gnongs down here.

2580
02:09:26.579 --> 02:09:28.439
Some object.

2581
02:09:28.500 --> 02:09:30.479
I've come to help you.

2582
02:09:30.539 --> 02:09:32.699
Is this real contaminated?

2583
02:09:32.760 --> 02:09:33.659
What orders?

2584
02:09:33.720 --> 02:09:34.920
Strufe.

2585
02:09:34.979 --> 02:09:35.880
He just released us.

2586
02:09:35.939 --> 02:09:37.079
I was it confirmed?

2587
02:09:37.140 --> 02:09:41.039
You know, you do forget that...

2588
02:09:42.060 --> 02:09:45.720
You do forget that Fraser Hines is only 2 inches taller than Patrick Trout.

2589
02:09:45.779 --> 02:09:47.699
They did call themselves the smallest show on Earth.

2590
02:09:47.760 --> 02:09:51.359
Everyone's terribly sure. in the TARDIS in this beer, don't they?

2591
02:09:51.420 --> 02:09:51.960
Yeah, yeah.

2592
02:09:52.020 --> 02:09:53.760
I mean, Billy was only 510, I think.

2593
02:09:53.880 --> 02:09:54.779
Oh, not that.

2594
02:09:54.840 --> 02:09:55.439
No?

2595
02:09:55.500 --> 02:09:57.119
Maybe 5' eight.

2596
02:09:57.180 --> 02:09:58.020
He was taller than Pat.

2597
02:09:58.079 --> 02:09:59.340
And Pat was 5'6.

2598
02:09:59.460 --> 02:10:00.539
Oh, look, we can all get out.

2599
02:10:00.600 --> 02:10:03.060
You can get new hairdos and new...

2600
02:10:03.180 --> 02:10:04.260
Look there's a bump on the wall.

2601
02:10:04.319 --> 02:10:05.460
There's another bump on the wall.

2602
02:10:05.520 --> 02:10:06.899
Look at that bump on the wall.

2603
02:10:07.859 --> 02:10:10.020
Back off. is my bump.

2604
02:10:11.399 --> 02:10:13.800
Can you tell me how to do your hair like that?

2605
02:10:14.220 --> 02:10:17.039
Yeah, I mean, it's so big.

2606
02:10:17.100 --> 02:10:26.220
If she's going to be prime minister, if Mary's going to be the prime minister when Astrid steps down, she'll need to have her hair done like that.

2607
02:10:26.279 --> 02:10:26.579
Yeah.

2608
02:10:27.720 --> 02:10:30.119
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

2609
02:10:31.199 --> 02:10:32.399
Oh, now this is...

2610
02:10:32.460 --> 02:10:33.239
Evil John.

2611
02:10:33.300 --> 02:10:34.260
So hold on.

2612
02:10:34.319 --> 02:10:40.859
This is the room that you can't get into and no one can see into and he can just patch it through in one button.

2613
02:10:40.859 --> 02:10:43.079
Oh, no, but he's in collusion.

2614
02:10:43.140 --> 02:10:48.539
Yeah, but it's still just one button, you know. you think someone might have pressed that button by accident.

2615
02:10:48.600 --> 02:10:49.739
Exactly, you know.

2616
02:10:49.739 --> 02:10:53.579
It may be a finger nominated. you know, maybe an app.

2617
02:10:53.699 --> 02:10:54.899
Could be touch ID.

2618
02:10:54.960 --> 02:10:58.739
Actually, yeah, we have touch ID now, so I'm hiding in the corridor.

2619
02:10:58.800 --> 02:11:00.000
I'm hiding the corridor.

2620
02:11:00.060 --> 02:11:02.819
My ribcage is straining at my turtleneck.

2621
02:11:02.880 --> 02:11:03.539
Oh hello.

2622
02:11:06.659 --> 02:11:08.460
I resign.

2623
02:11:08.520 --> 02:11:09.960
Ah, yes.

2624
02:11:10.020 --> 02:11:13.500
Maguan managed to slim down before they shove it.

2625
02:11:13.560 --> 02:11:15.180
Yes. was always.

2626
02:11:15.180 --> 02:11:16.260
Fit chat.

2627
02:11:16.920 --> 02:11:23.100
He's surprisingly sexy Patrick McGuan. for homophobic misogynistic.

2628
02:11:23.399 --> 02:11:26.520
Best mate of Mel Gibson.

2629
02:11:26.640 --> 02:11:27.359
Really?

2630
02:11:27.420 --> 02:11:28.020
Yeah.

2631
02:11:28.079 --> 02:11:32.340
Oh, you know that line when he said, never trust a woman, even the four-legged variety.

2632
02:11:32.399 --> 02:11:36.479
Maguan wrote that for that episode of Dance of the Dead because it wasn't in the original script.

2633
02:11:36.539 --> 02:11:37.079
Ew.

2634
02:11:37.800 --> 02:11:39.960
And I suppose I really like him.

2635
02:11:40.020 --> 02:11:44.460
I love his work, but yeah, I suppose he We shouldn't idolise our idols too much.

2636
02:11:44.520 --> 02:11:51.840
He is the one in Braveheart who mentions that the punishment for the gay prince is a red hot poker up the...

2637
02:11:51.899 --> 02:11:54.960
And he was an actor, so he knew what was called. scene setting.

2638
02:11:55.020 --> 02:11:55.680
Method.

2639
02:11:56.159 --> 02:11:58.739
Oh, he said the word tiresome.

2640
02:11:59.039 --> 02:12:00.960
My liars.

2641
02:12:01.020 --> 02:12:03.359
My lawyers will be onto you, Ken.

2642
02:12:03.420 --> 02:12:04.619
Finish the bottle.

2643
02:12:06.420 --> 02:12:08.039
Halt.

2644
02:12:08.100 --> 02:12:10.680
We haven't had a death in a little while.

2645
02:12:10.739 --> 02:12:12.000
I need another death.

2646
02:12:12.060 --> 02:12:13.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2647
02:12:13.680 --> 02:12:14.399
Oh, no, you know what?

2648
02:12:14.460 --> 02:12:18.000
Swan died about 10 minutes ago. wrong with you?

2649
02:12:18.420 --> 02:12:20.039
10 minutes.

2650
02:12:20.039 --> 02:12:24.060
I need a massacre. those people downstairs.

2651
02:12:24.060 --> 02:12:24.779
Great idea.

2652
02:12:24.840 --> 02:12:25.739
Do you listen?

2653
02:12:25.739 --> 02:12:28.140
Oh, the massacre.

2654
02:12:28.140 --> 02:12:31.020
Just riding is a lovely prize.

2655
02:12:31.439 --> 02:12:34.260
Well, you could do a writing vote, couldn't you?

2656
02:12:34.319 --> 02:12:38.100
Where I say, please put your name, say, you know, screw your pole.

2657
02:12:38.159 --> 02:12:40.319
I want to, yeah, he's a massive.

2658
02:12:40.380 --> 02:12:41.520
I want to vote for the NASA.

2659
02:12:42.060 --> 02:12:45.060
So Ryan-ins, they're still available.

2660
02:12:45.899 --> 02:12:47.579
Oh, dear.

2661
02:12:51.300 --> 02:12:53.039
That's pretty good.

2662
02:12:53.100 --> 02:12:55.560
It's a fire extinguisher, as we observe.

2663
02:12:55.619 --> 02:12:56.880
Oh, actually, that is really good.

2664
02:12:56.939 --> 02:12:59.819
That's and that's probably some sort of acetylene.

2665
02:12:59.880 --> 02:13:00.960
Yeah, wow.

2666
02:13:01.020 --> 02:13:07.380
That was before health and safety came along and you weren't allowed to risk actors' lives by having them burn bits of the set.

2667
02:13:07.439 --> 02:13:08.880
Pretty much.

2668
02:13:08.939 --> 02:13:14.939
Yeah, now you take the shot twice once with the operator using it and then composite the actor in.

2669
02:13:16.680 --> 02:13:19.500
You fooly breed.

2670
02:13:21.659 --> 02:13:28.859
I've been with you too many times in the past in this room No, that leads to. know what it is.

2671
02:13:28.920 --> 02:13:30.300
Oh, it's a little bolt hole.

2672
02:13:30.359 --> 02:13:34.560
It leads it, oh, camera bump. halfway down the tunnel. leads to a Batman angle.

2673
02:13:34.619 --> 02:13:36.899
Not getting in my tunnel again.

2674
02:13:36.960 --> 02:13:41.100
I was here going to Diana Mulder his way down the lift.

2675
02:13:41.159 --> 02:13:41.819
Is that what happened?

2676
02:13:41.939 --> 02:13:43.619
Oh my god, it's Patrick.

2677
02:13:43.680 --> 02:13:44.699
I'd forgotten.

2678
02:13:44.699 --> 02:13:48.479
Oh, look at him actually.

2679
02:13:48.479 --> 02:13:49.800
I'm like, that's wonderful.

2680
02:13:53.520 --> 02:13:55.680
Oh gosh.

2681
02:13:56.100 --> 02:13:58.560
So is he in league with Solomon?

2682
02:13:58.619 --> 02:13:59.699
He's in league with Salamander.

2683
02:13:59.760 --> 02:14:01.859
He took the, he took the, he took Colin and Mary down.

2684
02:14:01.920 --> 02:14:03.420
Colin and Mary are his fault.

2685
02:14:03.840 --> 02:14:05.760
That's why we hate him.

2686
02:14:05.880 --> 02:14:07.020
He needs to die then.

2687
02:14:07.140 --> 02:14:10.500
That's a completely different shock because Colin and Mary have disappeared.

2688
02:14:10.560 --> 02:14:15.300
So the studio break, Pat gets back in position.

2689
02:14:15.359 --> 02:14:19.560
Oh, I think it's just, they take, they don't, they take the shot again. cameras or mirrors.

2690
02:14:22.920 --> 02:14:24.960
Well, you deserved it, honey.

2691
02:14:31.979 --> 02:14:37.079
Oh, look, oh, look at him acting, bless him.

2692
02:14:37.140 --> 02:14:37.800
He's so good.

2693
02:14:37.859 --> 02:14:42.420
And he does that thing where he turns his lips in on themselves when he's angry.

2694
02:14:42.840 --> 02:14:45.840
Yeah, like a salamander.

2695
02:14:47.159 --> 02:14:49.979
The new song by Nicki Minaj.

2696
02:14:51.000 --> 02:14:54.960
I thought you said Nicky Webster.

2697
02:14:55.020 --> 02:14:57.539
She's relaunching her career, you know.

2698
02:14:57.600 --> 02:14:58.979
For Eurovision.

2699
02:14:59.039 --> 02:14:59.460
She's 50.

2700
02:14:59.880 --> 02:15:00.359
What?

2701
02:15:00.420 --> 02:15:01.199
Is she going to be there?

2702
02:15:01.199 --> 02:15:02.760
I have no idea.

2703
02:15:02.819 --> 02:15:03.659
They were announcing it next week.

2704
02:15:03.720 --> 02:15:06.180
She's taking over hosting from Julia Zamira.

2705
02:15:06.239 --> 02:15:07.079
Is she?

2706
02:15:07.140 --> 02:15:08.399
That's sad I have no idea.

2707
02:15:08.460 --> 02:15:09.479
She...

2708
02:15:09.479 --> 02:15:11.039
I'm really not happy about that.

2709
02:15:11.100 --> 02:15:12.659
You're too easy when I do that, darling.

2710
02:15:12.720 --> 02:15:14.220
Never believe me.

2711
02:15:14.279 --> 02:15:18.180
But I believe you because you're believable in these podcasts.

2712
02:15:18.479 --> 02:15:19.979
Others.

2713
02:15:20.699 --> 02:15:23.640
Oh, I love the mop up. is great.

2714
02:15:24.239 --> 02:15:25.920
I'd be scared.

2715
02:15:25.979 --> 02:15:27.600
I demand a trial.

2716
02:15:27.659 --> 02:15:28.260
Okay.

2717
02:15:28.319 --> 02:15:30.060
A trial of a time lord.

2718
02:15:30.180 --> 02:15:32.159
Trial by combat.

2719
02:15:32.220 --> 02:15:34.680
You have to find Haththorpe Bjorn.

2720
02:15:34.800 --> 02:15:38.760
I wonder why Colin Dagnas disliked recording this or working on this.

2721
02:15:38.819 --> 02:15:39.659
You thought it was kids TV.

2722
02:15:39.720 --> 02:15:40.439
I thought it was beneath him.

2723
02:15:40.500 --> 02:15:41.819
But did he have fun?

2724
02:15:41.880 --> 02:15:42.899
He doesn't die?

2725
02:15:43.020 --> 02:15:44.760
I don't think he does.

2726
02:15:44.819 --> 02:15:45.720
No. not in this.

2727
02:15:45.779 --> 02:15:47.039
He dies as Reuben.

2728
02:15:47.100 --> 02:15:48.479
He dies as Reuben twice.

2729
02:15:48.960 --> 02:15:50.579
No, no, no.

2730
02:15:50.640 --> 02:15:53.579
I talk about... the nasty little man.

2731
02:15:53.640 --> 02:15:58.859
Ah, no, no, no, he gets taken away for a trial because Bruce is a decent guy.

2732
02:15:58.920 --> 02:15:59.279
Yeah.

2733
02:15:59.699 --> 02:16:06.420
I've got to admit, if you're inside the maze during this production, It does feel like a rat maze.

2734
02:16:06.479 --> 02:16:08.399
You wouldn't see how good it is.

2735
02:16:08.460 --> 02:16:11.760
You've got to actually stand back and see the whole thing put together, then just.

2736
02:16:11.939 --> 02:16:17.699
How clever to be lampooning. what they're actually making, but yeah they really were.

2737
02:16:19.500 --> 02:16:20.939
Ah.

2738
02:16:24.000 --> 02:16:26.220
That's twice he's been called a fool in 5 minutes.

2739
02:16:26.279 --> 02:16:27.779
That's not going to be good for his ego.

2740
02:16:27.840 --> 02:16:28.560
Yeah, poor guy.

2741
02:16:28.619 --> 02:16:32.819
So yes, we have this lovely scene between Salamander and Kent.

2742
02:16:33.360 --> 02:16:38.760
For a 2nd I thought it was the doctor because the message...

2743
02:16:42.360 --> 02:16:45.120
And he's more, as you know, Bob.

2744
02:16:45.239 --> 02:16:47.280
I just came.

2745
02:16:48.600 --> 02:16:51.120
I didn't know it was a gay love story.

2746
02:16:51.180 --> 02:16:52.139
You and me?

2747
02:16:52.200 --> 02:16:53.280
It kind of works that way.

2748
02:16:53.340 --> 02:17:00.299
Well, they've been alone in that room too many times and we know where that leads. not the man I'm in.

2749
02:17:00.840 --> 02:17:06.360
Oh, and it's wonderful seeing... at shooting someone. want to do this for quite a while.

2750
02:17:06.420 --> 02:17:07.200
Sorry, Todd.

2751
02:17:08.340 --> 02:17:10.319
Not in the bum.

2752
02:17:10.680 --> 02:17:12.299
Not again.

2753
02:17:13.020 --> 02:17:17.760
I think Bill Kurt deliberately trying to make every rock wall wobble there.

2754
02:17:17.819 --> 02:17:18.180
Yeah.

2755
02:17:18.180 --> 02:17:22.979
Oh. tomato sauce, though.

2756
02:17:26.280 --> 02:17:37.200
As if there wasn't enough reasons to love Mary Peach, she brought in her 2 young children to meet Patrick Troughton because they loved watching Doctor Who, but they were scared of the show.

2757
02:17:37.260 --> 02:17:38.760
So they're like, no, look.

2758
02:17:38.760 --> 02:17:40.139
So they got to watch this scene.

2759
02:17:43.200 --> 02:17:48.059
And that jump from a mid-shot to a close-up with essentially the same angle.

2760
02:17:48.120 --> 02:17:50.700
But yeah, you know, you don't see that in Doctor Who.

2761
02:17:50.760 --> 02:17:51.659
No, you don't.

2762
02:17:51.659 --> 02:17:52.920
Gee, he's hanging along.

2763
02:17:52.920 --> 02:17:55.440
Here's some enormous leaders I've prepared earlier.

2764
02:17:56.579 --> 02:17:59.399
Oh, so Salamander's dead, obviously.

2765
02:17:59.459 --> 02:18:00.180
All screaming.

2766
02:18:00.239 --> 02:18:05.340
And Mary's falling and these 2 and there they go.

2767
02:18:05.399 --> 02:18:07.739
They disappear from the story, don't they?

2768
02:18:07.799 --> 02:18:08.399
Do we see them again?

2769
02:18:08.459 --> 02:18:09.659
No, no, we see them against it.

2770
02:18:09.719 --> 02:18:10.139
Are you sure?

2771
02:18:10.739 --> 02:18:12.360
Oh, actually, yeah, that might be the last shot.

2772
02:18:12.420 --> 02:18:13.020
They're gone.

2773
02:18:16.200 --> 02:18:22.440
John. what about, man, leave Mary and Colin.

2774
02:18:22.500 --> 02:18:24.899
This story just gets better and better.

2775
02:18:24.959 --> 02:18:34.500
If, if, if I may quote Stephen Caldwell discussing your death in, there's something about Magnus, the guy who drained me, leave him, leave him.

2776
02:18:34.559 --> 02:18:36.120
He's a vegetable anyway, leave him.

2777
02:18:39.780 --> 02:18:45.479
Now, this was added in by at Barry Let's request because he's like, hold on.

2778
02:18:45.540 --> 02:18:47.639
We've left all these people.

2779
02:18:47.700 --> 02:18:54.000
But we've forgotten about Colin and Mary, who are still under that polystyrene thing over there.

2780
02:18:54.059 --> 02:18:56.819
Oh, that's something landed on them there and on the...

2781
02:18:56.940 --> 02:18:58.620
That it. what happened to them. lying on the ground.

2782
02:18:58.739 --> 02:18:59.520
Were they there with?

2783
02:19:00.180 --> 02:19:00.719
Yeah they were.

2784
02:19:00.780 --> 02:19:02.459
So they were killed because they're not getting up.

2785
02:19:02.520 --> 02:19:04.020
They just never get mentioned again.

2786
02:19:04.079 --> 02:19:05.040
Good vanish.

2787
02:19:06.239 --> 02:19:09.719
Men out there, young men are dying for it.

2788
02:19:09.780 --> 02:19:16.979
Do you know, I think that they probably end up becoming popular children's television presenters, Colin and Mary, after this is all over.

2789
02:19:17.520 --> 02:19:22.020
Oh, maybe they're taking over the SBS Eurovision coverage.

2790
02:19:22.139 --> 02:19:24.239
Now, maybe they are.

2791
02:19:24.299 --> 02:19:27.239
This shot here, the boot.

2792
02:19:27.299 --> 02:19:38.399
I can't see him, but the boom operator is actually in shot because he had to get close, but they they lit it in such a way and dressed him completely in black.

2793
02:19:38.459 --> 02:19:41.520
I think he's actually there on the left that you can only just make out his foot.

2794
02:19:41.579 --> 02:19:45.000
Like, it's, it's an amazing piece.

2795
02:19:45.059 --> 02:19:46.440
I love during the Tartis's lip.

2796
02:19:46.500 --> 02:19:49.139
This is very strange though, this scene, isn't it?

2797
02:19:49.200 --> 02:19:51.659
Because we jump like we don't.

2798
02:19:51.719 --> 02:19:55.079
Yeah, straight, straight went back, didn't they, and waited for him in the dark?

2799
02:19:55.139 --> 02:19:56.399
So it was sort of set up.

2800
02:19:56.520 --> 02:19:57.659
And this is strange.

2801
02:19:57.719 --> 02:20:01.200
And this was supposed to be longer, but they had problems with the equipment for the spit screen.

2802
02:20:01.260 --> 02:20:09.959
Yeah, they for the split screen, they recorded it with the other side masked off and then some of the some of the footage jammed.

2803
02:20:10.020 --> 02:20:11.459
So they lost footage that way.

2804
02:20:11.520 --> 02:20:20.399
But Barry Letts later discovered that he shouldn't have actually masked off half the frame, just lock the frame and then shoot it again.

2805
02:20:20.399 --> 02:20:21.420
And then shoot it again.

2806
02:20:21.479 --> 02:20:21.719
Yeah.

2807
02:20:21.780 --> 02:20:23.940
But yeah, he does pretty well.

2808
02:20:24.000 --> 02:20:30.840
But this was the big scene where he decided, okay, in future, I will shoot more than I need because he had it. had real trouble editing.

2809
02:20:30.899 --> 02:20:33.540
Um, making sure it was good.

2810
02:20:34.139 --> 02:20:38.879
The long, the long shot double behind doubles and whatnot is again Peter Diamond.

2811
02:20:38.940 --> 02:20:40.319
Yes.

2812
02:20:40.379 --> 02:20:44.340
And oh, Pat is just so good against himself.

2813
02:20:44.399 --> 02:20:45.180
So good.

2814
02:20:45.780 --> 02:20:49.559
Oh, and that's glorious.

2815
02:20:49.620 --> 02:20:51.299
And that's really the only shot.

2816
02:20:51.360 --> 02:20:54.780
Oh, yeah, that's the only shot where they're at.

2817
02:20:54.899 --> 02:20:59.700
But it's not it's not split screen down the middle sort of vertically.

2818
02:20:59.760 --> 02:21:00.719
Whishing.

2819
02:21:02.159 --> 02:21:04.079
That's fantastic.

2820
02:21:04.139 --> 02:21:04.920
Yep.

2821
02:21:05.040 --> 02:21:07.440
And that's Peter Diamond as well.

2822
02:21:07.500 --> 02:21:07.860
Wow.

2823
02:21:07.920 --> 02:21:09.180
Fantastic.

2824
02:21:09.840 --> 02:21:11.579
And...

2825
02:21:11.579 --> 02:21:12.780
Diamonds are forever.

2826
02:21:12.840 --> 02:21:13.200
Wow.

2827
02:21:13.200 --> 02:21:17.579
What a lovely, lovely way. and again.

2828
02:21:17.639 --> 02:21:18.659
But don't worry, he's okay.

2829
02:21:18.719 --> 02:21:21.540
He returns to Vic's, John Purwee, in the comics.

2830
02:21:22.319 --> 02:21:24.120
So that was that.

2831
02:21:24.180 --> 02:21:24.659
Yeah.

2832
02:21:24.659 --> 02:21:26.399
Do you have announcements for it?

2833
02:21:26.459 --> 02:21:36.299
Um, yes, we are going to be taking a short break of about a month, um, because we have very special things planned for Colin.

2834
02:21:36.360 --> 02:21:38.399
Of course, we have our big finish special.

2835
02:21:38.459 --> 02:21:40.680
We have trial of a time mode.

2836
02:21:40.739 --> 02:21:42.659
We have another special that we're planning.

2837
02:21:42.719 --> 02:21:45.899
We have our lost episodes um episode as well.

2838
02:21:45.959 --> 02:21:50.760
So basically we want to make sure we have them all in the can before we start releasing.

2839
02:21:50.760 --> 02:21:57.180
Because also there's Richard, you're going to be in some of those and not others.

2840
02:21:57.239 --> 02:22:06.840
And so, you know, we just have to, uh, and of course, um, we are now going to announce our John.

2841
02:22:06.899 --> 02:22:08.040
Are we going to do that?

2842
02:22:08.100 --> 02:22:13.260
And of course, when we do come back for trial of a time, Lord.

2843
02:22:13.379 --> 02:22:14.940
Our 1st episode back.

2844
02:22:15.600 --> 02:22:17.040
Sorry.

2845
02:22:17.100 --> 02:22:27.059
When we do come back, that's when we'll announce what the John Perti commentary is going to be at the end of call. will have won the lovely prizes kindly donated by Greg Miller, friend of the podcast.

2846
02:22:27.120 --> 02:22:39.479
Richard, beautiful David Howe illustrated book of On Target was the steaming love story between Philip Hinchcliffe and Patrick Mowat on the making of the Target TV series.

2847
02:22:39.540 --> 02:22:43.920
And we also have the lovely, what's the other stupid thing he gave us?

2848
02:22:43.979 --> 02:22:46.440
Oh, yes, wave of destruction.

2849
02:22:46.500 --> 02:22:57.360
The entire history of Tom getting the curling ones done to him by J and T. So we have both of those lovely things that will go to some dear listener who has actually bothered to bloody vote.

2850
02:22:57.420 --> 02:22:59.159
So we don't know who they are.

2851
02:22:59.280 --> 02:22:59.760
Don't we?

2852
02:22:59.819 --> 02:23:01.139
Well, we've got your ISP numbers.

2853
02:23:01.200 --> 02:23:01.979
We know who you are.

2854
02:23:02.040 --> 02:23:08.040
But yeah, just write just write in and say something lovely and we'll decide who we like and give it to you that way. randomly.

2855
02:23:08.280 --> 02:23:17.579
I don't know how it's going to happen, but we're going to have a Facebook post and we'll and reply to that.

2856
02:23:17.639 --> 02:23:19.020
I think it's going to be a...

2857
02:23:19.139 --> 02:23:21.420
I think it's going to be a caption competition, isn't it, Richard?

2858
02:23:21.479 --> 02:23:23.219
Yeah, I have a photograph you've already asked.

2859
02:23:23.280 --> 02:23:24.299
So timy, yeah.

2860
02:23:24.360 --> 02:23:25.979
So I've already won it.

2861
02:23:26.040 --> 02:23:32.579
So anyway, it's a caption competition and we'll just and we'll announce when that's finished well.

2862
02:23:32.639 --> 02:23:37.319
We're recording this on the Mardi Gras weekend and the picture is going up this weekend, so you'll have seen it already.

2863
02:23:37.379 --> 02:23:38.280
It's terrific.

2864
02:23:38.340 --> 02:23:42.120
So we might Facebook and Twitter. that.

2865
02:23:42.239 --> 02:23:43.680
Yes, yeah.

2866
02:23:43.739 --> 02:23:46.319
And yeah, we will...

2867
02:23:46.379 --> 02:23:52.559
We'll get all your responses together and using an entirely scientific principle of shouting at each other.

2868
02:23:52.620 --> 02:23:55.920
We will come to a consensus and prizes will be won.

2869
02:23:56.579 --> 02:24:00.959
But yes, we will now be off for a few weeks.

2870
02:24:02.100 --> 02:24:03.959
In the meantime.

2871
02:24:04.020 --> 02:24:06.059
Because Brenton can't be asked.

2872
02:24:06.120 --> 02:24:08.819
I just bought a Nintendo Switch.

2873
02:24:08.879 --> 02:24:11.340
I don't have time for this.

2874
02:24:13.440 --> 02:24:15.780
Sucking on the battery all morning.

2875
02:24:15.840 --> 02:24:16.860
That's why I so bitter.

2876
02:24:19.920 --> 02:24:20.940
Sorry listeners.

2877
02:24:21.000 --> 02:24:28.139
In the meantime, do check out our website, flightthroughentirety.sexy flight through indicting on Facebook and iTunes and at FT podcast on Twitter.

2878
02:24:28.200 --> 02:24:30.239
Over on Bondfinger this weekend.

2879
02:24:30.299 --> 02:24:34.860
We are finally starting the Timothy Dalton era of Bond with the Living Daylights.

2880
02:24:34.920 --> 02:24:36.360
So check that out on bondfinger.com.

2881
02:24:36.420 --> 02:24:39.719
Bond Finger on Facebook iTunes Bond Finger cast on Twitter.

2882
02:24:39.780 --> 02:24:44.639
Until then, may none of your salamanders blow up a volcano.

2883
02:24:44.700 --> 02:24:45.899
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

2884
02:24:45.959 --> 02:24:46.559
Good night.

2885
02:24:46.620 --> 02:24:47.159
See you soon.

2886
02:24:47.219 --> 02:24:47.940
Good everyone.