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Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety

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the only Doctor Who commentary podcast coming to you live from a

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bunker underneath Australia.

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Hungary?

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Where are we?

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I don't know.

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I am Brendan.

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I'm Nathan I'm relieved.

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I'm disappointed.

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It's not the massacre.

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But it is still a story about duplicates.

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This is our long-awaited commentary on the enemy of the world.

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Your code word in a moment is going to be swan dive.

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So when I say that, press play on your copy, we're watching the

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iTunes copy, but you can watch the DVD edition as well.

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So are you ready?

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Of course none of us could be asked to buy the DVD that we've all

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mysteriously lost our copies, haven't we?

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Yeah, isn't that isn't that ironic, right?

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We all have... volcano somewhere in Australia.

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Yeah.

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I think the only one of us who knows where his DVD is is Todd, who

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was already driving here by the time I realised I couldn't find

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mine.

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So without any further ado, dear listener, swan dive.

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Oh, Doctor Who theme.

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Isn't that, what, they're bringing Pierce Brosnan back at Dublin.

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It does sound like a sort of modern bond. as the newborn.

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Jane Bond.

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No, no, it's Gillian Anderson.

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So I'm relieved that for this podcast, I'm not sitting between

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Richard and Nathan after the harassment that went down on the keys

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of Mariners.

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Your knees got a lot of attention, I seem to recall.

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My knees, my ears, my, you know, whatever my comments.

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My everything. episode one.

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David Whittaker. memory of that commentary at all. don't know

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why.

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Climate change, this is what Australian beaches look like.

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No memory of the earth.

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Yeah, now, this, of course, is one of 2 stories that was recovered

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from Zambia, I think.

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Or Nigeria, by Philip Morris.

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And I just remember, uh, this came out, I think it was October

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because Todd, you bought me an iTunes gift card for my birthday to

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buy these.

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And I just remember getting chills watching them step out of the

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Tartars.

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Now this sequence here.

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The doctor is just scripted to take off his boots and paddle and

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Pat said to Barry Letts, they've worked together before.

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Oh, you know, wouldn't it be fun if I just stripped off to my long

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jobs and dove right in?

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It's so lovely.

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Look at him.

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He gets to do physical comedy and...

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He's so joyous.

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And, uh, Matt Smith.

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He reminds me of Matt Smith, the joy that he brings when he's the

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doctor, just that look he gets on the face.

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Look, there it is now.

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Like, you know, and he's, oh, yeah.

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I like to think, oh, isn't it great?

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The very the very 1st Barry Letts thing is actually that he

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directs or associated with the program is it does have a hover

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craft in it.

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It ran over Terry Walsh.

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That would be fantastic.

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Well, skin type, fleshy coloured...

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What's he doing?

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He's insane.

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Roll necks with slightly...

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And pervy men on the beach.

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They're checking out.

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I think they're looking at Jamie.

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Well, those legs.

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No, I think they're definitely checking out.

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Actually, you know what?

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What, don't say it?

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He's he's no slouch.

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There is a photo of him topless, hugging Fraser on location in

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abominable snowman and you go, oh, hello.

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Then you realise who it is and then you realise you have to go and

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stop yourself right now.

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It's like, it's like you suddenly go, oh, okay.

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So suddenly Christopher Eccleston isn't the 1st doctor I had

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sexual feelings for.

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It's like, no, that's the 3 musketeers.

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Could you imagine Billy doing that?

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And he's married.

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Pete showing how she got the part?

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It was a Malaysia Zoom.

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She almost turned it down because in the original script, she

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disappears after episode 4 and she said, no, it's such a glorious

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part.

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I'm not just disappearing and Barry Let's rewrote the last 2

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episodes.

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So he could secure her. type girl, didn't we?

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She was.

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They make Victoria such a damsel in distress in this season that

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they have these alternative female strong characters in a run of

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stories and of course she's one of them.

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And the marvellous one next story as well.

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It's not very fair. the weather fair?

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Yeah, is it Anne Travers?

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It's not very fair to Victoria at all to the Debbie, is it

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really?

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Well, I mean, it is what it is, you know?

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I mean, do you think she would have been able to?

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Yeah, maybe the character wouldn't have been able to address it.

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But the way the character's written.

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Because when when Debbie gets gutsy stuff to do, like the stuff

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with the gun in tube and there's a scene in this where she's

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really gutsy, she's actually really good, they just write her as a

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damsel.

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I think it comes back to what you were talking about, Richard.

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They were trying to sell it to the US.

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So it's like when they watered down the character of MRP or for

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the colour season of the Avengers. you know, it's like that's what

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women do on US television.

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Apparently.

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Well, his long joins must be self-drying.

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Special Gallifreyan technology.

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That's why those foam covered car seats are all worn out by the

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time Eccles got them.

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I mean, you know, all those damp patches.

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This hovercraft...

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Like a sea monster doctor. put it away It did run over its owner.

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One of the actors ran over the owner and I think broke his angle.

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Given them the idea for pertweed to run over Barry Letts, that

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one.

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Barry was up for it.

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Do you think he was like, that's his thing.

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I just think it's incredible that, you know, 18 months ago.

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Like Doctor Who was like on location, it was like a big thing to

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be on location and they were still, you know, with the smugglers

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was a big location shoot, like the 1st big one and now we're at

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this where we've got hovercrafts and we're going to have other

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things at a moment at seaside.

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It's, you know, it's just technology and filming techniques and

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how far it's come like within 2 years, isn't it?

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It was such a surprise to see it too, when it came.

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There's so much sort of length-ish location.

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There was going to be more.

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Martin Leesmore, who was the production assistant. wasn't he the

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JNT all the time, but he had to simplify it, Todd, isn't it

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right?

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There was going to be more...

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Twice scattered through the the 6 episodes.

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It would have been great, but it makes this 1st episode really

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just stand out as something that money's thrown at.

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Really?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And really, you can't the rest of the season.

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You know, this just nails it and supports it, doesn't it?

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Well, we'd said at the time, I think, when we were doing our

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regular run of episodes at this, well, I might have mentioned that

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I find this season rather time. despite it's um it's incredible

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reputation.

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Have you got your bingo cards?

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But I think this is probably the best story of the season and

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maybe the best trail.

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Yeah, it, I think there was a consensus.

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Obviously not everyone, but a strong consensus, when these 2

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stories came back, this and the web of fear.

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People kind of went, wow, who knew this was the good one?

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Yeah, yeah. was the other thing, wasn't it?

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Everyone expected the web of fear to be the best one.

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Not me.

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No, this has always been a dark horse, and I think the fact that

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it is so different from everything else that stands out, but it's

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even better than what you...

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He didn't say Brigadoon.

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Okay, the subtitles, dear listener.

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Say Brigadude.

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He says Crigantur.

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You changed it.

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Oh, God.

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Sorry, which is... sorry.

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Yeah, like, I mean, here we go.

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Like having a chopper.

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A chopper in this, you know?

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And Deborah's on record for saying this was absolutely

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terrifying.

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Yeah of course.

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Who was terrifying?

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Deborah. going up in this thing.

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That's it.

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No, they just, she just never knew whether her trousers or her

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skirt had been loosened, you know, before she got up.

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I love how she's...

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She's cosplaying as Jamie the story.

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Yeah, yeah, she is.

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Yes.

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This doesn't actually make very much sense, does it?

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I actually don't really understand what's going on here because

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they're her goons, aren't they?

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that are pursuing, like these people are on the same side as

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Mary.

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Yeah, yeah, but true.

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But she's a triple...

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Look at that shot.

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I mean, a year ago we would not have even had that.

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And they almost crashed the chopper because...

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Oh, Lord, because the pilot went up with the camera operator, but

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the camera operator didn't say, I'm going to lean out.

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So, like, they got about 20 feet off the ground and came down very

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quickly.

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So Barry Letts was on the other side leaning out the other side of

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the chopper to balance the weight.

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Wow, what a trooper.

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And this is how we know it's set in 2017 or 2018 is.

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Oh my goodness.

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I never seen that before.

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And no one knew.

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Friend of the podcast, Dallas Jones was incredibly excited about

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that.

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Like, the episode had been up on iTunes for an hour and he posted

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a screen grab saying, now we know when it's set.

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And it was that exciting too. only a year away.

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It's actually right now.

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It set right now.

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Okay, as we sit on this couch and speak.

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This stuff's happening in Cape Arrow just a few 1000 kilometres

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west of us.

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The only thing that got wrong is despite very loud orange people.

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It's not Mexico causing the problem.

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Yes.

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Do you think salamander is busy building a wall to keep the

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Americans out?

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at this point?

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Titan comics who have the rights for Doctor Who comics now.

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They've done a limited 5 issue pertwi comic, and in the 4th and

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5th issues.

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It reveals the villain is salamander.

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He survives the end of this story.

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Spoiler alert.

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Well, but it's up on galafropase.

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And really, you should have bought it by now, dear listener.

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I haven't.

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It's Cornell, isn't it?

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It's so much fun.

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Yeah, it's it's so it's really good.

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But yeah, it's salamander at the mast.

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I'm so pleased that they can numb overload helicopter.

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I do love Jamie and Victoria's reactions.

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Because, you know, Jamie's sitting a lot of stuff, but still, I

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want to see Mary zip up her helmet, which would completely cover

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her nose and mouth. used to have a hoodie like that.

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Yes, it's amazing that Victoria and Jamie are coping so well with

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this being both out of time.

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Yeah.

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But I mean, budget.

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They are very thinly characterised though, aren't they?

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At this point.

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It's Gillian and John, really.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It really is.

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And I don't know for sure, but this may be the same chopper they

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end up using for a fury from the deep.

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But in Fury from the Deep, it's just a bit stupid, as I remember

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saying at the time.

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Make a zipper helmet off so she can't breathe.

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Who stupid?

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Who directed the invasion?

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we know?

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Dr. Campfield?

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Oh of course he did.

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Oh, hello.

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And my dear.

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Where's the kitchen?

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She's like an oven basting chook, isn't she?

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It's got the same layer of elf oil underneath.

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Pat's really enjoying taking her clothes.

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There's a lot of that in this.

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Well, it is carry-on doctors.

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Yeah, this scene is beautiful because she flirts outrageously with

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him and he loves it.

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I think that's possibly the actor rather than the character.

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Because, you know, he did have his 2 wives and that's quite public

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now we can talk about that.

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Those whom we know.

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The 2 different families, like the sons from the 2 different

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families talk about what it was like and stuff.

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And both of them have been in Doctor Who recently.

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Yeah, here he is at Christmas.

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Pat's flirting now.

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You know that, well, Pat was making several loud noises about the

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complexities he was having, you know, pre-filming for the next

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story while recording current ones.

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So he turns out he was even busier than all of us knew.

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They have great chemistry.

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Oh, they do.

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They really do.

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I mean, Mary Peach is such a great actress.

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Victoria and Jamie look like brother and sister here.

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Now, dear listener, if you can hear that, there are construction

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works going on next to me, so we do apologise.

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We're just going to bear through.

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We'd edit this out normally.

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Yeah.

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It's actually just Nathan grinding his teeth because he's finding

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it tires.

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No, I'm not.

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That's why I'm grinding my tea.

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Oh dear.

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Not careful.

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You're not careful.

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I induce a exposition comb. think we're free of those in this

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story.

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I had completely forgotten about the exposition comb run until you

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brought it up the other week.

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I was so pleased.

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I even snuck it into the show notes.

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Richard.

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You are looking meaningfully at Lawrence Miles and Town.

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I am looking at the little notes.

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I'm just very interested to see that Peter Diamond played salamand

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at salamander in certain moments.

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But, you know, you were just talking about the helicopter sequence

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and how absolutely terrifying it all was for everyone.

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Um, Yeah, but the stock footage of, you see, helicopters is

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actually from Russia with love.

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So it's a nice crossover to Bondfingers.

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Yes, that's right.

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And I believe the sea devils uses helicopter footage from a bond

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film as well.

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I think that's why the helicopter changes completely between

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sharks.

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Yes.

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Yeah, I mean, given that it's exploding here, it doesn't really

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matter.

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It's a different helicopter. one exploding helicopter looks much

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like another, you might say.

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I heard that.

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Now, of course, this is Barry Lett's 1st involvement with the

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program and he would go on to become producer, of course, and

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continue directing for the show.

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However, he initially came to the attention of the production team

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as a potential writer.

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He pitched stories to Jerry Davis, including a story about a race

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of humanoids evolving into insectoid creatures.

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He pitched the mutants.

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Wow.

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What a great topic for a podcast.

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Shut up, Richard.

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We'll be announcing...

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Oh, look at that wallpaper.

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Fantastic.

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It's kind of the 3 musketeers in space, isn't it?

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so far without the Oh hello.

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I think he's stolen that beard from the judges back in Keys and

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Mariners.

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That's a podcast.

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Oh.

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Ow.

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That really hurts.

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And I'm just looking at the wallpaper.

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It is fabulous.

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Now, I remember when we were watching this rod was just joygasming

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over the chairs.

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He likes a bit of chair.

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It doesn't show no.

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So r show, aren't they?

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Sorry, you mean that?

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No, it doesn't shoot from studio to location, I'm afraid.

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It's been like that Monty Python sketch.

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We're completely surrounded by film.

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They keep it ducking into the dunes and behind.

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Oh, look at that shot. tissues.

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Oh, hello.

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Right up to Barry Litz.

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There we go.

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It'll it will too, Mary.

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It will. there it is.

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And you can see that it's a different canopy, but it doesn't

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really matter. because we have an exploding helicopter in Doctor

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Who.

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James Bond helicopter.

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So that's 2 people down for the count.

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Who is this guy?

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That's Ed Straker.

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Bill Kerr. is his name.

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He's Aussie, isn't he?

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Yeah, Aussie.

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Fresh from Tony Hancock's.

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Yes.

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Fabulous.

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Is it another Doctor Who's?

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I don't think so.

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He's just very familiar. covering up his man. manly bottom.

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He's one of those faces in the 60s he was in everything.

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Um, I love, I love I love this whole bit with Jamie and Victoria

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flanking the doctor.

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It just shows that these 3 when they're, especially for Victoria

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when they're given a good script, they are such a great team and

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have such great chemistry.

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I like that bit of a joke about, like, they've been away, they've

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been on ice action. the last one.

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Yeah, now, Bill Kerr absolutely loved doing Doctor Who.

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There's another guest actor in this who we'll discuss later who

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hated working on Doctor Who and he saw it as slumming it.

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We'll talk about him when he appears.

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Is it Clive Swift again?

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It's not Clive Swift again.

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Here we go.

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Now, it's hard to tell, but they have even given him slight

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prosthetics to build up his cheekbones as salamander to try and

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make him look as different as possible.

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Yes, you can see it now.

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Yeah.

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But just the part in the hair and Oh, it's just so glorious.

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He is slightly blacked up, isn't he?

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And, well, yes, he does have a fake tan.

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And a severe side parting.

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So the parallels are astounding.

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Well, it is 2017, isn't it?

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anti, yes, the anti isn't just over the border.

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Except he believes in energy from the sun.

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At spoiler alert, he does have a little race of dum-dums hidden

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under the ground.

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Dumb, dumb white people, let's point out. very pale white people.

426
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But you know, 53% of some Amanda's voters in 2016 were white

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women.

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America?

429
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Oh, really?

430
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Well, in our universe, it's Trump.

431
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Yeah, 53%.

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Well, well, as as the doctor will shortly point out, he is quite

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handsome.

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Which, you know, you can't you can't say that's the reason for

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that.

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It's just so lovely to see Patrick doing a different character and

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knowing that his portrayal of the doctor is acting.

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Yeah, not just.

439
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Well, I mean, it's obviously himself, but acting as well, you

440
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know?

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So good at it at defining the difference between the two.

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Well, I mean, you get that with in the massacre, for goodness

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sake.

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The difference between the two.

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Is there a huge difference?

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Yeah, there is.

447
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I think we'll have to do the Green Death because of Pertwee's

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washerwoman.

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Todd's really nodding here.

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Well, the weird the weird thing is, um, Well, it will be for me.

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Pertwi is the only doctor of the 1st 5 not to have a doppelganger

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story.

453
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No, he does.

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He appears as a duplicate in what, Day of the Daleks, is it?

455
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Yeah, yeah, I suppose that's the closest it comes.

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Where, how, what?

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Don't they have that's a time duplicate.

458
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Oh, okay.

459
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I love how just then the doctor didn't ask Victoria if she found

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salamander attractive.

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He asked Jamie.

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Just pointing that out. movie was closer.

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In so many ways.

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Gosh, it's so good.

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So I sat here and ate cake.

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In my in my role next to my turtleneck. doesn't it show?

467
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I don't think you're allowed to be over 25 and just like get

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straight up from your face.

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It's not awesome.

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I do quite like the tack at that.

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Man bottom.

472
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Yeah, yeah.

473
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Have a drink, listen.

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Oh, hello.

475
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It's a young Vladimir Putin.

476
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It is true.

477
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Oh, and George W.

478
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Bush?

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I think bad tea.

480
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Do you know the YouTube guys, the French addicts?

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They watch Doctor Who, and they're French, and one of them

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discovered the series and seen it all, and the other one hasn't.

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And so they were watching the new series and then they go back to

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the beginning and start watching various episodes.

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And one of the guys' reactions is just hilarious because when they

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do like the time meddler and like there's a TARDIS and and all

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these little, like the 3 doctors and like he's going, oh, it's, you

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know, hard on getting really excited, it's really wonderful.

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They should do this one just to see Patrick do these dual wrongs.

490
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Oh that's great.

491
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No, I haven't heard of that.

492
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Please do send this to me.

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I'm in space.

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Don't be rude.

495
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No, they speak in French.

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I don't understand a word, but just the excitement of him watching

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the different episodes.

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Doctor Who podcast enfonseis.

499
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We should do that.

500
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We should do that.

501
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I'll brush up.

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Je ne comre pas.

503
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What's trusting?

504
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Because it's a similar concept.

505
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It is a similar concept.

506
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Oh, they're beating us, you know.

507
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They're way ahead.

508
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They're a battlefield.

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Gosh.

510
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Dylan keeps quoting Gene Marr.

511
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And quite right too.

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She's fabulous.

513
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I love how they flatter the doctor here into doing it.

514
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He's so great, isn't he?

515
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He's so great.

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He's the best actor in the old series.

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And you wouldn't know he was so knackered, because as Richard was

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saying earlier, he, the filming before on the beach was in the

519
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middle of rehearsals for the Ice Warriors episode three, I

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believe.

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So they're having to do all that stuff with the Ice Warriors and

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then going off to film that.

523
00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:56.700
And it's not just, when you mentioned, the smugglers earlier, Todd

524
00:20:56.700 --> 00:20:59.160
you know, they just kind of wander around, the story happens in

525
00:20:59.160 --> 00:20:59.759
studio.

526
00:20:59.819 --> 00:21:00.839
It's just for a bit of colour.

527
00:21:00.900 --> 00:21:04.920
But this was, and a supremely energetic shoot.

528
00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:07.259
And Barry Letts was very clever in that.

529
00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:08.880
I think he had 4 days to shoot it.

530
00:21:08.940 --> 00:21:13.140
He only required, and he only required the regulars for the 1st

531
00:21:13.140 --> 00:21:13.859
day and a half.

532
00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:20.220
And so he saved all... close-ups that didn't require their face.

533
00:21:20.279 --> 00:21:23.640
So hands, stuff from behind, that sort of thing.

534
00:21:23.700 --> 00:21:25.440
He saved that and used stand ins.

535
00:21:25.500 --> 00:21:26.279
Right, okay.

536
00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:30.839
Because he was aware of how Patrick was?

537
00:21:30.900 --> 00:21:31.380
Yeah exactly.

538
00:21:31.440 --> 00:21:33.599
And even though they had worked together before.

539
00:21:33.660 --> 00:21:35.880
They'd worked together as actors before, and Pat was actually a

540
00:21:35.880 --> 00:21:37.680
bit wary of Barry being a director now.

541
00:21:37.740 --> 00:21:42.960
Uh, whereas, um, Fraser was just, yeah, perfectly happy.

542
00:21:43.019 --> 00:21:47.880
Um, But Barry said he ran into a bit of problems with Pat getting

543
00:21:47.880 --> 00:21:50.519
them to stop playing cards to actually come to the studio to shoot

544
00:21:50.519 --> 00:21:50.759
things.

545
00:21:51.420 --> 00:21:53.400
All shouting at once.

546
00:21:54.960 --> 00:21:58.140
I love how he manoeuvres him into this.

547
00:21:58.200 --> 00:22:02.700
It just sets him up as not necessarily a hero very early on.

548
00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:05.700
A little less eccentric, brilliant.

549
00:22:06.660 --> 00:22:10.319
Considering what we see him wearing in the next episode, I think

550
00:22:10.319 --> 00:22:11.160
that's very cruel.

551
00:22:14.220 --> 00:22:15.900
Oh dear.

552
00:22:15.960 --> 00:22:18.119
He really is just such a pleasure to watch.

553
00:22:18.180 --> 00:22:19.380
I'd kind of forgotten.

554
00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:20.339
This is so awesome.

555
00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:26.039
And here we go.

556
00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:28.920
Oh, that's a great outfit.

557
00:22:28.980 --> 00:22:30.420
It's Reuben the Rooten.

558
00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:31.500
It's Reuben the Rooten.

559
00:22:31.559 --> 00:22:32.400
Is it?

560
00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:34.859
Yeah, it is, isn't it?

561
00:22:34.920 --> 00:22:35.940
Who, um...

562
00:22:35.940 --> 00:22:41.519
Who, uh, told Debbie Watling while he was working on this.

563
00:22:41.579 --> 00:22:43.319
This is the worst thing I've ever done.

564
00:22:43.380 --> 00:22:47.099
I'm certainly not coming back and I don't want to be asked.

565
00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:49.500
Well, obviously that changes when you're made into a big green

566
00:22:49.500 --> 00:22:49.980
blob.

567
00:22:50.039 --> 00:22:51.359
Yeah, he's fabulous.

568
00:22:51.420 --> 00:22:53.339
Yeah, yeah, he's good on this.

569
00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:58.380
I mean, the fact is he has to maintain a sort of just, I'm pissed

570
00:22:58.380 --> 00:23:00.180
off with everyone thing for 6 episodes.

571
00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:01.680
So maybe it's not...

572
00:23:01.740 --> 00:23:05.400
It's a very prototype Roger Delgado master outfit, isn't it?

573
00:23:08.460 --> 00:23:09.539
She looks very impressed.

574
00:23:09.660 --> 00:23:14.400
You know, a friend of the podcast, Dallas Jones, has his Anley

575
00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:15.539
master cosplay.

576
00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:16.859
If he ever took the gold off it.

577
00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:20.039
He could play Bruce from Bruce.

578
00:23:20.099 --> 00:23:20.579
Yeah.

579
00:23:20.640 --> 00:23:22.140
The accent.

580
00:23:22.140 --> 00:23:22.859
Are you doing that?

581
00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:24.240
He would have to shape that.

582
00:23:24.299 --> 00:23:25.859
I've never known Dallas not to have the beard.

583
00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:28.200
So yeah, probably best he sticks with the master.

584
00:23:31.259 --> 00:23:34.140
Given out, honestly, give an actor a prop.

585
00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:36.779
Look, he's just waving it about it everywhere.

586
00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:38.339
Rip the scenery apart with it.

587
00:23:38.339 --> 00:23:40.319
Maybe he's just a method.

588
00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:41.819
So he's just playing that.

589
00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:44.700
Actually, it's really, it's...

590
00:23:44.700 --> 00:23:46.559
What was his name, the buggery old root?

591
00:23:46.619 --> 00:23:47.759
Reuben.

592
00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:49.200
Reuben the Ruten.

593
00:23:50.579 --> 00:23:52.380
Oh, a hat.

594
00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:54.119
Why are you wearing that inside?

595
00:23:54.180 --> 00:23:55.799
You'd only get to mischief, you know that.

596
00:23:55.859 --> 00:23:56.880
Oh, hurrah.

597
00:23:57.000 --> 00:23:59.700
Oh, he's wearing a tactile neck.

598
00:24:00.420 --> 00:24:04.019
Did he did he jaffer up for this one?

599
00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:04.859
No.

600
00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:05.759
Tell, can we?

601
00:24:05.759 --> 00:24:06.299
Not yet.

602
00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:06.839
He will.

603
00:24:06.900 --> 00:24:08.039
A halub was.

604
00:24:09.119 --> 00:24:12.000
I'm Anstabler Blufffeld.

605
00:24:12.299 --> 00:24:15.420
It really is the bond we should have had all the time.

606
00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:18.180
It's a superb cliffhanger, too. very good.

607
00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:21.420
And definitely Barry's answer to Bond.

608
00:24:21.539 --> 00:24:24.839
Yeah, since everyone was more obsessed with that in the media than

609
00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:27.059
any other piece of entertainment at the time.

610
00:24:27.119 --> 00:24:32.579
The original script, um, Colin Douglas, unsurprisingly for writer

611
00:24:32.579 --> 00:24:36.599
David Whittaker, was apparently a lot wordier, and Barry took out

612
00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:40.319
not lots of words, but enough words to add in action sequences.

613
00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:42.720
Yeah, there wasn't much of pet, was there?

614
00:24:42.779 --> 00:24:43.500
It was Jamie.

615
00:24:43.680 --> 00:24:45.059
Next time.

616
00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:46.920
Yeah, next episode.

617
00:24:46.980 --> 00:24:47.700
Next time.

618
00:24:47.759 --> 00:24:49.259
Next time.

619
00:24:55.319 --> 00:24:58.319
Um, Yeah, so here we are with episode two.

620
00:24:58.380 --> 00:25:00.299
I like these opening credits.

621
00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:01.859
The beautiful, aren't they?

622
00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:03.119
Simple and modern.

623
00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:03.900
Like a butterfly.

624
00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:05.279
And the way that Pat appears.

625
00:25:05.339 --> 00:25:05.880
I think is...

626
00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:07.079
Like a spider with 8 eyes.

627
00:25:07.380 --> 00:25:09.779
Reassuring all the children.

628
00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:11.819
And it's still called Dr. Ohho, which is nice.

629
00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:12.539
A little bit.

630
00:25:12.599 --> 00:25:15.779
And these always reminded me of brains as a child.

631
00:25:17.579 --> 00:25:19.559
David Whitaker.

632
00:25:19.619 --> 00:25:21.240
It's beautiful.

633
00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:22.500
David Whittaker.

634
00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:25.980
I've just been watching Power of the Daleks colour.

635
00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:27.119
Oh, what's it like?

636
00:25:27.180 --> 00:25:30.119
Well, it's any version I've watched, so I really liked it.

637
00:25:31.140 --> 00:25:34.619
We went to the cinema and saw it in black and white with no

638
00:25:34.619 --> 00:25:39.119
cliffhangers or anything, and that was enjoyable, but, uh, Two

639
00:25:39.119 --> 00:25:40.680
people in front of us who wouldn't shut up.

640
00:25:40.740 --> 00:25:41.279
I know.

641
00:25:41.339 --> 00:25:42.839
Not many terrible people.

642
00:25:42.900 --> 00:25:45.420
I hope they listen to the podcast and they feel very bad about

643
00:25:45.420 --> 00:25:45.960
themselves.

644
00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:48.900
Oh dear.

645
00:25:49.140 --> 00:25:53.220
There's another thing, Barry Let's decided, was not to have much

646
00:25:53.220 --> 00:25:54.839
in the way of reprises.

647
00:25:54.900 --> 00:25:56.579
So here it's it was just one line.

648
00:25:56.640 --> 00:25:58.859
It was actually reshot. really neatly done.

649
00:25:58.920 --> 00:26:04.500
Was this going to be Janie and Victoria playing chess a lot?

650
00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:08.039
You know the script that Whitaker actually wanted to write and

651
00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:12.000
then progressed to the target novelisation and then he cruelly was

652
00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:12.839
with us no more.

653
00:26:12.900 --> 00:26:15.779
Ian Marta picked it up and had to redo it, but it was much more

654
00:26:15.779 --> 00:26:19.859
wordy and cerebral and non-visual in his bookish form.

655
00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:22.980
Did he write, he wrote the Crusades, didn't he?

656
00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:24.420
I loved that one, yes.

657
00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:27.900
Well, in his original...

658
00:26:28.140 --> 00:26:34.859
In his original script, because as we'll see, in, as we'll see

659
00:26:34.859 --> 00:26:38.220
coming up, Jamie becomes a rubber clad guard for a bit.

660
00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:41.519
In the original script, Victoria was going to become a guard as

661
00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:43.799
well, and the production team just kind of said, no, no, put her

662
00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:44.220
in the kitchen.

663
00:26:44.460 --> 00:26:45.779
Nice.

664
00:26:45.779 --> 00:26:48.240
Who's the producer of this one?

665
00:26:48.660 --> 00:26:51.720
I think we are still on Peter Bryant for this one.

666
00:26:51.779 --> 00:26:52.380
Okay.

667
00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:55.079
Yeah, I think in as Lloyd's gone now.

668
00:26:55.140 --> 00:26:56.640
Peter Bryant.

669
00:26:56.819 --> 00:26:59.579
Derek Sherwin, I believe.

670
00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:01.920
They are all interchanging around here.

671
00:27:01.980 --> 00:27:04.380
It's all like whatever jobs for the boys.

672
00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:05.099
We training people up.

673
00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:06.240
I can't even remember.

674
00:27:06.299 --> 00:27:07.440
No, I find it confusing.

675
00:27:07.500 --> 00:27:12.240
I'm not really up to speed on any of that in the 60s. really liked

676
00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:12.420
it.

677
00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:14.880
Oh, that's just fantastic.

678
00:27:14.940 --> 00:27:19.019
This was around the time where Derek Sherwin, who had his eyes on

679
00:27:19.019 --> 00:27:21.720
the producership anyway, despite the fact he was script editor

680
00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:26.460
brought in Terence Dix as associate, um, junior unofficial

681
00:27:26.460 --> 00:27:30.420
associate, script...

682
00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:34.680
But it's all succession planning, which, you know, which is a good

683
00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:34.920
thing.

684
00:27:34.980 --> 00:27:36.000
Oh, I tell a lie.

685
00:27:36.059 --> 00:27:38.099
Story editor is still Peter Bryant at this stage.

686
00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:40.920
And producer is still in as Lloyd.

687
00:27:40.980 --> 00:27:45.839
So Derek Sherwin was the unofficial, unpaid, unannounced script

688
00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:49.859
editor and contacted Terence Dix during the production of this

689
00:27:49.859 --> 00:27:52.019
saying, when I become script editor, have it, you become my

690
00:27:52.019 --> 00:27:52.440
assistant.

691
00:27:52.500 --> 00:27:53.279
Okay.

692
00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:55.380
Yeah.

693
00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:58.440
It probably changes within a story or two.

694
00:27:58.500 --> 00:27:59.099
Oh, God, yeah.

695
00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:00.960
Actually, hold on.

696
00:28:01.019 --> 00:28:03.900
Let's have a look at the next story of her hair.

697
00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:06.119
Her hair reminds me of Lucille Ball.

698
00:28:06.180 --> 00:28:08.819
Yeah, it is. from here's Lucy.

699
00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:11.460
Well, of course, they're both wearing wigs.

700
00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:13.980
It's a Lego clip on piece of hair.

701
00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:14.700
It is.

702
00:28:14.700 --> 00:28:16.500
It's made of...

703
00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:19.319
I love Victoria's hair in this story.

704
00:28:19.380 --> 00:28:20.640
I just like the way it's been...

705
00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:21.779
It is, it's lovely.

706
00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:23.880
She's very, still very Alice in Wonderland.

707
00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:24.240
Yeah, yeah.

708
00:28:24.299 --> 00:28:25.559
She hasn't escaped that part at all.

709
00:28:25.619 --> 00:28:29.640
Bill Kearr's really chewing up this strange pictures there, isn't

710
00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:29.819
he?

711
00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:31.619
Oh, hand acting.

712
00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:34.680
I think he's do you think he's playing Jamie right now?

713
00:28:36.900 --> 00:28:38.940
He looks so much younger.

714
00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:40.740
Yeah, it's amazing, isn't it?

715
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:43.440
Not that he looked old, but I'm just saying he looked, he just

716
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:44.279
looks younger.

717
00:28:44.339 --> 00:28:48.720
Well, maybe maybe maybe I mean sexier.

718
00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:51.779
Well, he...

719
00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:52.740
Oh, God.

720
00:28:52.859 --> 00:28:54.599
They lived up, didn't they?

721
00:28:54.660 --> 00:28:58.440
Oh, well, yeah, no, he enjoyed himself. 1986 when he passed away

722
00:28:58.440 --> 00:28:58.920
he was 67.

723
00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:01.140
So, math is hard.

724
00:29:02.339 --> 00:29:05.759
I've got to say, I didn't look like that at 44.

725
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:07.799
He has more hair.

726
00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:11.700
Yeah, he's got more hair. more hair than me.

727
00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:18.420
She's not going to unzip any further, is she?

728
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:21.420
I mean, it must be must be having a bit of a brisk climate

729
00:29:21.420 --> 00:29:22.140
frisking.

730
00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:23.880
Australia of 2017.

731
00:29:24.059 --> 00:29:25.380
It's been very hot.

732
00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:30.359
I do like that even though I believe this is Villiers house, this

733
00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:30.779
external.

734
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:32.400
Even though...

735
00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:34.980
No, this is a factory.

736
00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:35.940
Do you have a plantary part?

737
00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:37.380
I do have a planetary pass.

738
00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:39.960
It's just thinking, I wish I'd brought it with me today, but it's

739
00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:41.339
in my desk drawer.

740
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:42.839
Oh good grief.

741
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:44.519
It's your castellan tot.

742
00:29:44.579 --> 00:29:45.720
It's my castellan.

743
00:29:45.779 --> 00:29:48.839
I think he looks like one of the lemon heads off adventure time.

744
00:29:49.380 --> 00:29:51.720
That's what that is, but anyway, he really does.

745
00:29:51.900 --> 00:29:54.599
What else is he apart from the castellan?

746
00:29:54.660 --> 00:29:55.680
Oh, his guy crave?

747
00:29:55.740 --> 00:29:57.420
Oh, yes, going.

748
00:29:57.480 --> 00:29:58.619
I've got my iPad up there.

749
00:29:58.980 --> 00:30:01.380
That is terrific, isn't it?

750
00:30:01.380 --> 00:30:02.099
So hideous.

751
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:04.259
He's really, really good though.

752
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:05.880
Really quite terrifying.

753
00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:09.059
Well, I mean, the hair, to begin with, and it is.

754
00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:14.160
I think he's actually like in terms of nastiness.

755
00:30:14.220 --> 00:30:16.440
He's a worse villain in this than salamander.

756
00:30:16.500 --> 00:30:17.460
Oh, yeah.

757
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:18.839
We should say we're talking about Milton John.

758
00:30:18.900 --> 00:30:19.980
Yes, yes, that's right.

759
00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:24.059
The wonderful Milton Johns, who, even when he is Guy Crayford

760
00:30:24.059 --> 00:30:26.700
who's one of the biggest idiots ever in the history of the series

761
00:30:26.700 --> 00:30:28.140
plays it really well.

762
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:30.599
I think his greatest calendar as well, isn't he?

763
00:30:30.660 --> 00:30:32.460
He must be really young here.

764
00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:35.700
Yeah, well, he looks really babyfaced, which is why the sadism

765
00:30:35.700 --> 00:30:36.779
thing works really well.

766
00:30:37.140 --> 00:30:38.880
Bates Motel.

767
00:30:39.660 --> 00:30:43.559
No, he looks very Plantagenet actually. there's a whole line of

768
00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:46.920
English leaders who look just like that. behave just like this

769
00:30:46.920 --> 00:30:47.160
too.

770
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:50.640
Look at that wonderful.

771
00:30:50.700 --> 00:30:53.400
Is that wallpaper or just some sort of grid mesh thing?

772
00:30:53.460 --> 00:30:54.299
Oil wallpaper?

773
00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:56.519
It's probably, it's probably, yeah, foil.

774
00:30:56.579 --> 00:31:01.319
Um, you know, anytime, is it a flat or is it a 3D sculptural

775
00:31:01.319 --> 00:31:01.680
piece?

776
00:31:01.740 --> 00:31:03.779
It's probably a flat because they're cheaper.

777
00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:07.140
Well, living in the future now.

778
00:31:07.980 --> 00:31:08.819
Thank God we're not wearing that.

779
00:31:08.940 --> 00:31:12.539
Well, I was going to say, I want my snazzy outfit and I want my

780
00:31:12.539 --> 00:31:14.400
pill popping wallpaper.

781
00:31:14.460 --> 00:31:15.240
Yes.

782
00:31:15.299 --> 00:31:18.480
Yeah, I'd decorate a house like that.

783
00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:20.579
There might be a few people in town tonight wearing this.

784
00:31:21.900 --> 00:31:25.500
You'll keep the rain off.

785
00:31:25.500 --> 00:31:28.440
We are recording this, dear listener, the day of the Mardi Gras

786
00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:29.039
parade.

787
00:31:29.099 --> 00:31:33.180
I'm not in it this year, but the wrestlers do have a float.

788
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:36.480
Is anyone in it or going standing on a milk crate?

789
00:31:36.539 --> 00:31:39.599
Been there, done that, wrote the book.

790
00:31:39.660 --> 00:31:42.539
Yeah, I was going to have a cup of tea, perhaps.

791
00:31:42.539 --> 00:31:44.160
And watch the massacre.

792
00:31:44.220 --> 00:31:46.380
SBS are doing some sort of live.

793
00:31:46.380 --> 00:31:49.500
They are doing live coverage at last, but no, it's on Sunday.

794
00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:50.640
I think it's on Sunday.

795
00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:52.619
Oh, but they're doing an Edison version on Sunday, but they are

796
00:31:52.619 --> 00:31:53.400
doing a live stream.

797
00:31:53.460 --> 00:31:55.680
I think on SBS 2...

798
00:31:55.740 --> 00:31:58.559
I'm sitting down and watching 14 episodes of a story.

799
00:31:58.619 --> 00:32:00.839
You're going to do trial of a timeline in one go?

800
00:32:00.900 --> 00:32:01.680
No, like hell.

801
00:32:01.740 --> 00:32:05.160
We did a political parade a couple of years ago and I did all the

802
00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:09.059
masks for it, but we were cut out of the commentary because SBR

803
00:32:09.059 --> 00:32:09.960
said it was too political.

804
00:32:10.019 --> 00:32:13.680
So after that, my friend who I can't name on this, who's been

805
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:17.099
involved since day one, after 20 something years has dropped out.

806
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:18.240
Todd, what did you want to say?

807
00:32:18.539 --> 00:32:20.460
It's salamander.

808
00:32:20.460 --> 00:32:21.720
And salamander.

809
00:32:21.779 --> 00:32:23.579
And this dude.

810
00:32:23.700 --> 00:32:24.059
Yes.

811
00:32:24.059 --> 00:32:28.200
And is it the father of new series director Daniel Netheim?

812
00:32:28.259 --> 00:32:30.299
Playing Federator?

813
00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:31.740
Uncle, I think.

814
00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:32.400
I think it's uncle.

815
00:32:32.460 --> 00:32:33.720
So he directed her time?

816
00:32:33.779 --> 00:32:36.480
Yeah, he directed Zion Invasion and Zion Inversion.

817
00:32:36.539 --> 00:32:39.059
Oh, he's the dude from...

818
00:32:39.059 --> 00:32:39.960
Is he from the Mutants?

819
00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:42.480
No, oh, this guy?

820
00:32:42.539 --> 00:32:43.200
No, the other one.

821
00:32:43.259 --> 00:32:47.819
The other guy is, um, is from, from...

822
00:32:47.819 --> 00:32:49.319
Is he from the...

823
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:50.160
Oh, Deadly Assassin.

824
00:32:50.220 --> 00:32:51.359
Yeah, deadly crafts.

825
00:32:51.420 --> 00:32:51.839
Yeah, yeah.

826
00:32:51.900 --> 00:32:52.799
No, that's not right.

827
00:32:52.859 --> 00:32:54.299
Yeah, that's good.

828
00:32:54.299 --> 00:32:55.500
Deadly accent. and the mutants.

829
00:32:55.619 --> 00:32:57.000
He is from the mutants.

830
00:32:57.119 --> 00:32:58.019
Yes, he's in the mutants.

831
00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:00.480
He's actually the best series of all...

832
00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:01.799
But...

833
00:33:01.859 --> 00:33:04.619
Veteran is...

834
00:33:04.619 --> 00:33:05.099
Oh, look.

835
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:07.259
For real.

836
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:09.299
Oh, God, she's amazing.

837
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:14.160
I had a moment thinking it was Elizabeth from the Tomorrow when I

838
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:16.440
1st saw this one, but she's...

839
00:33:16.740 --> 00:33:18.240
Don't be cruel.

840
00:33:18.299 --> 00:33:18.900
Isn't she?

841
00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:21.420
I think she's the best girl to appear in Doctor Who's so far.

842
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:22.920
Did you say Carmen Canax?

843
00:33:22.980 --> 00:33:24.900
Carmen, Carmen Monroe's fabulous.

844
00:33:25.380 --> 00:33:26.039
This girl?

845
00:33:26.099 --> 00:33:28.140
Yeah, Carmen Monroe.

846
00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:28.799
Yes.

847
00:33:28.859 --> 00:33:29.579
I'm sorry.

848
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:30.779
I do disagree.

849
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:32.400
I actually think she's quite ropey.

850
00:33:32.460 --> 00:33:35.039
That's I think she's quite wooden and roping.

851
00:33:35.099 --> 00:33:36.359
I just do.

852
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:40.259
When a scene comes up where you feel. make sure you sing out.

853
00:33:40.380 --> 00:33:47.220
She has actually recorded with who talk, who are a part of a

854
00:33:47.220 --> 00:33:51.059
company who run wonderful conventions in the UK phantom films

855
00:33:51.059 --> 00:33:51.960
phantom publishing.

856
00:33:52.019 --> 00:33:53.759
Uh, then now...

857
00:33:53.819 --> 00:33:54.900
Oh no, he's turning around now.

858
00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:57.839
They're now doing commentaries for stories that either don't have

859
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:00.539
commentaries or they're doing them with people who weren't on

860
00:34:00.539 --> 00:34:00.779
them.

861
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:02.039
You can buy them on CD.

862
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:05.160
And Carmen Monroe is on some of the episodes for enemy of the

863
00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:05.339
world.

864
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:07.019
And therefore, fabulously not dead.

865
00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:08.639
But this is Gooch.

866
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:09.599
Gooch.

867
00:34:09.659 --> 00:34:10.980
Oh, of course.

868
00:34:11.099 --> 00:34:11.940
Oh, look.

869
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:13.980
And here's the lovely sound of music scene.

870
00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:15.059
I'm only 16.

871
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:16.019
We have.

872
00:34:16.019 --> 00:34:17.039
I'll soon be 17.

873
00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:18.840
Yes, that's right, Jamie, you will be.

874
00:34:18.900 --> 00:34:20.460
Indoor outdoor.

875
00:34:20.579 --> 00:34:21.780
Barry's back projection.

876
00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:25.679
Oh, because there's a bit coming up where Jamie is walking towards

877
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:26.159
them.

878
00:34:26.219 --> 00:34:27.840
That's actually a back projected screen.

879
00:34:27.900 --> 00:34:32.039
So that's a film trim being played that they shot on location

880
00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:32.579
especially.

881
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:36.659
He's using all of his tricks.

882
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:37.679
Yeah, yeah.

883
00:34:37.739 --> 00:34:39.719
Sean Sutton cast a few of them as well.

884
00:34:39.780 --> 00:34:43.619
Sean Sutton, later ahead of cereals as a director on Zed Cars, had

885
00:34:43.619 --> 00:34:46.260
used it to great success and that's why Barry used it.

886
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:48.360
Well, it actually goes right back to silent.

887
00:34:48.420 --> 00:34:49.679
No period.

888
00:34:49.739 --> 00:34:52.440
Can we mention German expressions to anyone playing bingo?

889
00:34:52.500 --> 00:34:52.800
Go on.

890
00:34:52.860 --> 00:34:54.179
No one knows when this was shot.

891
00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:55.380
No one knows.

892
00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:59.039
It's not in the episode 2 script. not in any of the shooting

893
00:34:59.039 --> 00:34:59.519
scripts.

894
00:34:59.579 --> 00:35:03.059
The presumption is it was shot along with this scene in episode

895
00:35:03.059 --> 00:35:03.719
four.

896
00:35:03.780 --> 00:35:07.199
And if you're listening to this on the train, that's Mary Pickford

897
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:09.480
whispering into her tranny.

898
00:35:09.539 --> 00:35:13.500
Yeah, which should be updated to mean a transistor radio for the

899
00:35:13.500 --> 00:35:14.280
young people listening.

900
00:35:14.340 --> 00:35:16.079
It's not quite as scurrilous as you think.

901
00:35:16.260 --> 00:35:21.420
But also part of the reason that's assumed as well is Pat doesn't

902
00:35:21.420 --> 00:35:24.000
have time to get out of costume and back into costume here.

903
00:35:24.059 --> 00:35:26.219
So do you think the boy can handle it?

904
00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:31.320
Oh, I know James Selwood would be just... for this one wouldn't

905
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:31.500
he?

906
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:32.699
Oh, a prisoner phone.

907
00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:35.340
Now, that phone children is actually from the set of the prisoner

908
00:35:35.340 --> 00:35:36.719
because, 0 no, the what?

909
00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:39.000
It's the real thing, but they did use the same model.

910
00:35:39.059 --> 00:35:41.880
I thought they were being precinct in this one and cutting the

911
00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:44.400
chords off and pretending they're all radio phones because no such

912
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:47.400
thing existed, of course, back in 60, 7.

913
00:35:48.420 --> 00:35:50.039
Yes, this is the year we were all born.

914
00:35:50.099 --> 00:35:51.900
Hooray, a disused yeti.

915
00:35:52.019 --> 00:35:55.679
I was born in 67. 66, yeah.

916
00:35:55.739 --> 00:35:58.139
Now, this is 67.

917
00:35:58.380 --> 00:35:59.579
Yeah, 67,68.

918
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:00.360
Christmas 67.

919
00:36:00.539 --> 00:36:04.260
This episode went out on the... just fresh for this.

920
00:36:05.219 --> 00:36:07.800
I think I was born during the war game.

921
00:36:07.860 --> 00:36:08.940
Much like this podcast.

922
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:10.440
We'll do that next.

923
00:36:10.500 --> 00:36:12.599
I was born during the mutants.

924
00:36:14.579 --> 00:36:17.699
So many reasons to vote for that one, do you?

925
00:36:17.820 --> 00:36:22.079
I was born during in Australian terms during a repeat run of

926
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:23.039
Terror of the Zygons.

927
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:23.880
Oh, that's quite lovely.

928
00:36:23.940 --> 00:36:24.840
That's quite...

929
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:26.159
What was the most recently?

930
00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:27.659
A month before the 5 doctors.

931
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:30.239
Oh, isn't she gorgeous?

932
00:36:30.300 --> 00:36:31.019
She's gorgeous.

933
00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:33.960
Yeah. this bit is great.

934
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:37.619
She's about to tell him about the drink.

935
00:36:39.420 --> 00:36:41.099
Now, what does that mean?

936
00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:41.699
I don't know.

937
00:36:41.699 --> 00:36:42.960
Okay, but it's in Spanish.

938
00:36:43.019 --> 00:36:44.639
I know what Todd means.

939
00:36:44.699 --> 00:36:47.760
She's very much engrenue, but I kind of like that she just has so

940
00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:51.900
much energy and feist and really means when she spits out these

941
00:36:51.900 --> 00:36:52.079
words.

942
00:36:52.139 --> 00:36:54.840
It's such a funny thing, isn't it fair?

943
00:36:54.900 --> 00:36:58.320
I think only Whizaker would have a character called Faria, and a

944
00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:00.420
character called Faria in the same.

945
00:37:00.539 --> 00:37:01.139
And Federate.

946
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:01.619
Yeah, yeah.

947
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:03.780
But yeah, it's...

948
00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:04.920
No one ever gets them confused.

949
00:37:04.980 --> 00:37:06.840
Well, they don't look the same.

950
00:37:06.900 --> 00:37:07.320
That's true.

951
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:11.219
And they are literally on different sides in the plot.

952
00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:14.460
I mean, not in terms of their personal politics, if you like, but

953
00:37:14.460 --> 00:37:15.119
yeah.

954
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:19.320
I want my crazy futuristic vinyl onesie.

955
00:37:19.380 --> 00:37:19.980
This is funny.

956
00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:21.059
I'm wearing one.

957
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:22.019
This is so funny.

958
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:32.820
I am so. brilliant.

959
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:44.639
Now, Speaking of tasting bitter, Nathan made me lick something

960
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:45.599
before the podcast.

961
00:37:45.659 --> 00:37:46.800
Oh, dear listen.

962
00:37:46.860 --> 00:37:49.079
Surely you've completed your bingo card by now.

963
00:37:49.139 --> 00:37:50.760
No, I've, I've...

964
00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:52.860
You're gonna have any...

965
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:54.719
I've recently, I've got nothing to say.

966
00:37:54.780 --> 00:37:58.559
I've recently bought a Nintendo Switch, and there's been, there's

967
00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:00.719
been these articles about how the game cartridges for it.

968
00:38:00.780 --> 00:38:03.780
Tastes bad, and I just went, well, why are you tasting them?

969
00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:06.300
But it turns out when I got here, Nathan made me lick it.

970
00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:07.139
I can still taste it.

971
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:12.599
It has this terrible bitter aftertaste and the theory is... theory

972
00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:15.599
is that Nintendo have done it to discourage children eating them.

973
00:38:15.659 --> 00:38:17.280
Because they're really tiny.

974
00:38:17.340 --> 00:38:18.780
You could inhale.

975
00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:20.159
We could do this, we should do the same with them.

976
00:38:20.219 --> 00:38:22.260
It's action, Fraser.

977
00:38:22.860 --> 00:38:25.980
With Brendan's Nerf gun.

978
00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:30.360
He's a kid now. squid now, so I think we use Splatoon fan.

979
00:38:30.420 --> 00:38:32.460
A little bit Jane Fonda, but blustier, isn't it?

980
00:38:33.780 --> 00:38:36.059
Actually, Fasia's really good.

981
00:38:36.179 --> 00:38:37.079
It's a great big bomb.

982
00:38:37.139 --> 00:38:38.639
Oh, we both die.

983
00:38:38.699 --> 00:38:39.599
You perform me.

984
00:38:40.619 --> 00:38:42.119
Donald.

985
00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:46.860
Oh, that's good to have it in the studio.

986
00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:48.960
That was a very dad's army level explosion.

987
00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:50.400
Explode that backdrop.

988
00:38:51.179 --> 00:38:55.739
But I do, I do like the salamanders cosplaying as perwee.

989
00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:56.820
It's a great hustle.

990
00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:57.659
Oh, hello.

991
00:38:57.719 --> 00:38:59.039
And the robomen.

992
00:38:59.099 --> 00:38:59.639
Yes.

993
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:01.920
Bird of Crewman's in vinyl.

994
00:39:01.980 --> 00:39:04.440
I was going, where have these people come from?

995
00:39:04.500 --> 00:39:04.860
Yes.

996
00:39:05.099 --> 00:39:07.139
Cribbon's closet, yes.

997
00:39:07.260 --> 00:39:11.460
It is amazing, and I think we said...

998
00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:15.239
Well, we don't see the doctor for a while. you know, for quite a

999
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:15.599
while.

1000
00:39:15.659 --> 00:39:18.719
But he's just compelling as salamander.

1001
00:39:18.780 --> 00:39:20.400
Oh yes, I will have a drink.

1002
00:39:20.460 --> 00:39:21.119
Thank you, Richard.

1003
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:27.599
We have an exciting competition to announce at the end of this one

1004
00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:28.619
too, dear listen.

1005
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:30.840
You have to listen to the end of this then.

1006
00:39:30.900 --> 00:39:33.360
And if it's not exciting, well.

1007
00:39:33.420 --> 00:39:34.920
Oh, is exciting.

1008
00:39:34.980 --> 00:39:36.239
Well, we're excited.

1009
00:39:36.300 --> 00:39:38.280
That doesn't take much, though.

1010
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:41.340
Oh, I should also mention that.

1011
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:42.420
Yes.

1012
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:46.860
Friend of the podcast, Elijah Crayling.

1013
00:39:47.340 --> 00:39:49.260
Has his own part.

1014
00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:49.860
Is he in this as well?

1015
00:39:49.860 --> 00:39:52.739
has his own podcast?

1016
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:56.579
Of course he does. called Who Tells Your Story?

1017
00:39:56.579 --> 00:39:59.039
and it's now available on iTunes.

1018
00:39:59.099 --> 00:40:01.320
And he's interviewed Adrian Salmon.

1019
00:40:01.380 --> 00:40:03.059
And me.

1020
00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:07.619
Do you get the sense that everybody's podcasting, but nobody's pod

1021
00:40:07.619 --> 00:40:07.980
listening?

1022
00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:09.300
Yeah, no, no.

1023
00:40:09.420 --> 00:40:10.079
I think that's right.

1024
00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:14.519
I'm available to guest on podcasts, by the way, Brendan.

1025
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:18.480
Brendan is the voice of F2, every other podcast.

1026
00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:21.360
What a boy, huh?

1027
00:40:21.420 --> 00:40:23.699
But no, he's...

1028
00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:26.400
Speaking of, Elijah's a lovely young man.

1029
00:40:26.460 --> 00:40:28.440
He's 17 and he has a podcast.

1030
00:40:28.500 --> 00:40:31.320
I think he's being youngest...

1031
00:40:31.380 --> 00:40:31.980
What?

1032
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:35.460
Yes.

1033
00:40:35.579 --> 00:40:40.679
And I don't know that we have any colour photos of this costume.

1034
00:40:40.739 --> 00:40:44.099
It's been rendered with the highlights in pink and in purple.

1035
00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:47.639
I didn't know there was a weeping angel in the background of this

1036
00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:47.820
shot.

1037
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:50.039
What does Brujo mean?

1038
00:40:50.099 --> 00:40:50.699
We're all asking for that.

1039
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:51.539
Oh there you go.

1040
00:40:52.380 --> 00:40:54.119
In Mexican.

1041
00:40:54.179 --> 00:40:55.500
Yeah.

1042
00:40:55.559 --> 00:40:59.400
I think there used to be a magazine I subscribe to called.

1043
00:40:59.460 --> 00:41:00.659
Oh, actually, I'm good.

1044
00:41:00.780 --> 00:41:02.880
Oh, look, yeah, that's terribly funny.

1045
00:41:02.940 --> 00:41:03.900
Yeah, yeah.

1046
00:41:03.960 --> 00:41:07.320
That's the kind of thing that we were using on Zed cars to kind of

1047
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:09.599
extend... inventive.

1048
00:41:09.659 --> 00:41:12.179
Like, you know, there's not as much budget in this episode.

1049
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:13.440
You just walked out of out of the film.

1050
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:19.260
Yeah, it's good No, but you know, the whole veranda set and the

1051
00:41:19.260 --> 00:41:20.159
bomb and using that.

1052
00:41:20.219 --> 00:41:21.059
Very clever.

1053
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:24.659
Well, I mean, and that's really a hallmark of his period on the

1054
00:41:24.659 --> 00:41:25.739
show as producer, isn't it?

1055
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:29.519
pushing the boundaries of technology and seeing what you can do.

1056
00:41:29.579 --> 00:41:32.219
And look, I don't care that it fails sometimes.

1057
00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:34.800
And in fact, I think that I think we might have said when we did

1058
00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:38.820
our tour of the autons episode that that it was actually really

1059
00:41:38.820 --> 00:41:39.420
exciting.

1060
00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:40.380
It was like a comic book.

1061
00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:42.300
Yeah, it's better to take risks and, you know.

1062
00:41:42.300 --> 00:41:45.719
We have to remember, though, we're watching this in isolation and

1063
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:47.340
you only have to go sideways.

1064
00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:48.420
Oh my god, that outfit.

1065
00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:52.500
You don't have to go sideways and look at, um, say even on a

1066
00:41:52.500 --> 00:41:54.960
Blackman Avengers at the time to realise this is actually really

1067
00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:59.760
well made because, you know, even the top level dramas at the time

1068
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:00.900
as you say, like Z cars.

1069
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:03.780
They were all using the same techniques and it looks clunky to us

1070
00:42:03.780 --> 00:42:03.960
now.

1071
00:42:04.019 --> 00:42:09.000
Yeah, Rod and I are watching the Kathy Gales now and it's his 1st

1072
00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:12.360
time watching them and he keeps asking me, this is before Doctor

1073
00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:16.320
Who. yeah I'm like, no, by now, we are we are up to the same and

1074
00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:18.719
he's like, God, it looks like it's 3 or 4 years before.

1075
00:42:18.780 --> 00:42:20.340
And that's just how innovative.

1076
00:42:20.460 --> 00:42:22.920
I'm writing her more this time through because I'm seeing a lot

1077
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:26.219
more of her smiling and being happy and that sort of thing, whereas

1078
00:42:26.219 --> 00:42:29.159
I think the previous time I watched this, it was just like stony

1079
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:29.639
faced.

1080
00:42:29.699 --> 00:42:31.019
Yes, yes, yes.

1081
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:34.199
Without because, dear listener, of course, we watch this without

1082
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:35.400
the sound and with the subtitles.

1083
00:42:35.460 --> 00:42:39.539
Possibly it's without the voice because sometimes someone's voice

1084
00:42:39.539 --> 00:42:40.380
just gets to you.

1085
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:41.820
You know what I mean?

1086
00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:43.199
What are you looking at when you're saying?

1087
00:42:43.260 --> 00:42:44.760
I was looking at told, actually.

1088
00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:50.039
I was looking at him, but I was talking about, never mind.

1089
00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:54.179
And this is a...

1090
00:42:54.179 --> 00:42:55.199
Salamander swallowed it.

1091
00:42:55.260 --> 00:42:58.019
The boy is very confident.

1092
00:42:58.079 --> 00:42:59.519
He's a big lizard.

1093
00:42:59.579 --> 00:43:01.380
He's near enough.

1094
00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:02.639
I'll give him to him.

1095
00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:06.960
George Bravta is wonderful.

1096
00:43:07.019 --> 00:43:08.639
I love his accent.

1097
00:43:08.699 --> 00:43:10.199
I love always love his deliveries.

1098
00:43:10.260 --> 00:43:13.980
It is kind of a silly sort of boy zone bond, but they are

1099
00:43:13.980 --> 00:43:18.360
delivering it with as much gravitas as they can manage. has

1100
00:43:18.360 --> 00:43:20.460
truthiness written all over his lovely face.

1101
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:23.760
Mary is more pretty than she is anything else.

1102
00:43:23.820 --> 00:43:25.739
It's more performative, isn't it?

1103
00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:26.519
Yes, yeah.

1104
00:43:26.579 --> 00:43:31.860
But, I mean, the bond thing, they throw it away before it gets

1105
00:43:31.860 --> 00:43:33.119
tiresome.

1106
00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:34.139
Which is the right thing to do.

1107
00:43:34.139 --> 00:43:35.820
Yeah, in an absolutely mental direction.

1108
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:41.519
I just realised we have another future villain in a very small

1109
00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:42.780
part in this story.

1110
00:43:42.900 --> 00:43:44.340
I'll point him out when we get to him.

1111
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:45.300
Actually, I will just check.

1112
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:47.340
I'm right on that by checking the castle list, but I just

1113
00:43:47.340 --> 00:43:47.760
remembered.

1114
00:43:47.820 --> 00:43:48.719
Ooh.

1115
00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:52.019
I think he's going to turn up next episode.

1116
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:56.820
And I'm wearing that tonight, actually, then those are those

1117
00:43:56.820 --> 00:43:57.239
trousers.

1118
00:43:57.300 --> 00:43:59.579
They were actually standing above them.

1119
00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:00.900
That is a 2 level set.

1120
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:02.400
It's not a cutaway to somewhere else.

1121
00:44:02.460 --> 00:44:04.980
It's kind of a shame that they don't pull back, but they would

1122
00:44:04.980 --> 00:44:06.300
have just shown how small the set was.

1123
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:07.079
Yeah, exactly.

1124
00:44:07.139 --> 00:44:09.360
And shoot off the set now.

1125
00:44:09.420 --> 00:44:13.679
But he's a great, the lighting as well. so that works so well

1126
00:44:13.739 --> 00:44:17.340
we're we're Yes, we're reproducing it in this very room, aren't

1127
00:44:17.340 --> 00:44:17.519
we?

1128
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:18.780
We are actually.

1129
00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:21.300
We're all under Brendan's coffee table.

1130
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:23.880
The doctor doesn't mean this episode, has he?

1131
00:44:23.940 --> 00:44:27.659
I have your elbows in my, in my, Can you just thanks, stunning.

1132
00:44:30.300 --> 00:44:32.579
He was in a cutaway earlier.

1133
00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:34.019
Oh was he?

1134
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:34.320
Yeah.

1135
00:44:34.380 --> 00:44:35.460
But they shot it.

1136
00:44:35.579 --> 00:44:37.440
I believe they shot it later for episode four.

1137
00:44:37.500 --> 00:44:38.280
There's no document.

1138
00:44:38.340 --> 00:44:41.280
Oh, yes, you were talking about that. forgotten to squeeze Todd's

1139
00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:42.300
neighbour into episode two.

1140
00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:43.800
No, no, I'm leaving him alone.

1141
00:44:43.860 --> 00:44:47.340
I've been given a thorough talking to I think we were a bit

1142
00:44:47.340 --> 00:44:50.159
tactile with the lovely Todd last podcast.

1143
00:44:50.219 --> 00:44:51.300
Well, it was very gripping.

1144
00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:53.099
Actually, I was wrong.

1145
00:44:54.539 --> 00:44:57.960
I thought that laughing on the inside, Richard.

1146
00:44:58.019 --> 00:44:58.920
I can feel it.

1147
00:44:58.980 --> 00:45:00.539
I'm right next to you on the coffee turtle.

1148
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:03.719
I thought that one of the guards in the next episode was Jerome

1149
00:45:03.719 --> 00:45:08.760
Willis later to play Jocelyn Stevens in the Green Death, but it's

1150
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:09.119
not...

1151
00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:11.340
I'm clutching my Phantom Cardigan, right now.

1152
00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:12.599
That's excitement.

1153
00:45:12.659 --> 00:45:13.500
But it's not.

1154
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:14.099
It's not him.

1155
00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:18.420
It looks like Pat's actually got eye shadow.

1156
00:45:18.539 --> 00:45:20.519
Yeah, she's done something with her eyebrows, hasn't she?

1157
00:45:20.579 --> 00:45:24.000
Yeah, Sylvia James has done a wonderful job delineating the

1158
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:24.360
makeup.

1159
00:45:24.420 --> 00:45:27.360
Of course, she was responsible for the ice warrior face makeup and

1160
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:28.920
giving them the pebbledash chink.

1161
00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:32.340
Rice Crisp is gone to waste, but for a higher purpose.

1162
00:45:32.460 --> 00:45:35.880
And Sylvia is also one of the commentary contributors on the

1163
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:37.679
Phantom Films commentary of this.

1164
00:45:37.739 --> 00:45:40.440
Is there a commentary on the DVD?

1165
00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:41.219
No, there isn't.

1166
00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:43.019
They rush them out to DVD. no commentary.

1167
00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:46.860
Oh, Brendan, actually, or any of you, Todd, maybe you know.

1168
00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:50.280
There's lots of fan talk when these 1st came out that, oh, we're

1169
00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:52.920
going to get the special edition later on with the commentaries

1170
00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:55.800
and everything else. and they, does anyone know are they coming?

1171
00:45:55.980 --> 00:45:58.559
I gather it was...

1172
00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:01.260
It was discussed.

1173
00:46:01.380 --> 00:46:05.940
Oh, stock a stock of volcanic eruptions, just like he told

1174
00:46:05.940 --> 00:46:09.059
Castellan Spandrel was going to happen.

1175
00:46:09.900 --> 00:46:12.900
But you can almost get away with it in black and white.

1176
00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:14.280
Yes, it works.

1177
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:15.179
There's less of a joint.

1178
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:16.800
Like the Colin Baker era, yes.

1179
00:46:16.860 --> 00:46:22.260
Well, I've been finding that, Richard. you're absolutely right I

1180
00:46:22.260 --> 00:46:24.840
find, actually, I enjoy watching it when I'm in another room all

1181
00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:25.260
day.

1182
00:46:25.380 --> 00:46:30.420
As audio because Colin is great on audio, as we have discussed, and

1183
00:46:30.420 --> 00:46:33.420
as we will be discussing in a few weeks time.

1184
00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:36.300
I've actually started listening and I'm really liking it.

1185
00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:37.380
Yeah.

1186
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:40.800
So I might have positive things to say, which will be jarring for

1187
00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:41.639
everyone.

1188
00:46:41.699 --> 00:46:43.800
I don't think I can, but both have listened to that.

1189
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:47.820
Now, as we announced last week on Revelation of the Daleks.

1190
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:51.420
Richard has changed his mind instead of looking at crisscross.

1191
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:53.519
Yes because he caught me in a moment.

1192
00:46:53.579 --> 00:46:54.539
Oh, hello.

1193
00:46:54.659 --> 00:46:57.420
We're going to be, we're going to be looking at, it's from the

1194
00:46:57.420 --> 00:47:02.099
last adventure, which is a box set. looking at the final story

1195
00:47:02.099 --> 00:47:03.300
which I think is called the Brink of Death.

1196
00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:05.219
Yes, with the lovely Michael Jason.

1197
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:07.739
Yes, and I'd listen to the whole thing, dear listener, but you

1198
00:47:07.739 --> 00:47:08.219
know...

1199
00:47:08.219 --> 00:47:09.960
Bonnie to Melody Lice at Bangford.

1200
00:47:10.019 --> 00:47:12.539
It's just beautifully written for a colony.

1201
00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:15.780
He's just so nice in it. been enjoying all of the BF audios with

1202
00:47:15.780 --> 00:47:16.559
Colin.

1203
00:47:16.619 --> 00:47:17.039
Have you heard it?

1204
00:47:17.099 --> 00:47:20.940
I'm not up to that in the run of audio, so I actually won't be

1205
00:47:20.940 --> 00:47:21.599
listening to it.

1206
00:47:21.900 --> 00:47:25.019
You can jump around because it does as a story.

1207
00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:27.599
I understand, but no, I won't be...

1208
00:47:27.780 --> 00:47:29.699
We may spoil you.

1209
00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:32.579
Yeah, it's okay, but I, you know...

1210
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:34.019
Do you know that he regenerates at the end?

1211
00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:37.440
Bumps his head?

1212
00:47:37.500 --> 00:47:39.659
Yeah, yeah, bumps his head on the...

1213
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:40.619
It's a really good reason.

1214
00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:42.179
Yeah, there's a far better.

1215
00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:44.940
Well, don't spoil that, but we won't spoil that for you.

1216
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:46.920
What are you, what's yours?

1217
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:48.420
Nathan?

1218
00:47:48.420 --> 00:47:50.340
I picked Jubilee, actually.

1219
00:47:50.340 --> 00:47:51.300
You picked Jubilee?

1220
00:47:51.300 --> 00:47:54.480
I hadn't heard it, but I just knew it from its reputation and knew

1221
00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:55.079
that...

1222
00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:55.920
I gave you a copy of that.

1223
00:47:55.980 --> 00:47:56.880
Yeah, no.

1224
00:47:56.880 --> 00:47:58.320
How loving of you to listen to.

1225
00:47:58.380 --> 00:48:01.019
No, I've now downloaded. downloaded on the big finish hat.

1226
00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:02.280
Have with my face, right?

1227
00:48:02.820 --> 00:48:03.480
Have we done all that?

1228
00:48:03.539 --> 00:48:05.039
Doctor Who Salamand.

1229
00:48:05.099 --> 00:48:08.519
I was actually Ronnie Barker on a slingdown version with a beard

1230
00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:08.940
isn't it?

1231
00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:10.320
That's another great question.

1232
00:48:10.380 --> 00:48:13.500
Everyone looked like Rolf Harris, which was Entertainment or Mary

1233
00:48:13.500 --> 00:48:14.039
Peach.

1234
00:48:14.099 --> 00:48:14.519
It's true.

1235
00:48:14.579 --> 00:48:16.860
We all have that look. funny, both of these cliffhangers aren't

1236
00:48:16.860 --> 00:48:19.380
necessarily somebody in peril.

1237
00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:23.340
Well, so Amanda or the doctor or some a statement.

1238
00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:24.360
They all like that.

1239
00:48:24.420 --> 00:48:25.199
Someone learns something.

1240
00:48:25.260 --> 00:48:26.159
Yeah.

1241
00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:28.860
Because that's how good Lets and Whittaker is.

1242
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:31.500
Isn't it nice that Peter Bryant totally predicted the hipster

1243
00:48:31.500 --> 00:48:31.860
movement?

1244
00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:33.960
Penis.

1245
00:48:35.099 --> 00:48:36.599
Things.

1246
00:48:37.260 --> 00:48:39.000
Think about the things.

1247
00:48:46.019 --> 00:48:48.179
And we're back with F3.

1248
00:48:49.019 --> 00:48:51.420
Did that auto play, Brendan?

1249
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:53.880
That auto plays, yeah. brilliant The reason we're taking strange

1250
00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:56.519
little pauses, listeners, we weren't sure whether the iTunes

1251
00:48:56.519 --> 00:48:58.500
version would autoplay, but it does, so there we are.

1252
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:01.619
In terms of the commentary for this.

1253
00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:04.739
So this episode three...

1254
00:49:04.739 --> 00:49:05.579
You can get commentary.

1255
00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:07.860
So episode one is Deborah Watling.

1256
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:09.539
Episode 2 is Mary Peach.

1257
00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:13.260
Episode 3 is Carmen Monroe and Bill Lyons, who plays the chief

1258
00:49:13.260 --> 00:49:13.619
guard.

1259
00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:15.719
Episode 4 is Carmen Monroe.

1260
00:49:15.780 --> 00:49:17.760
Episode 5 is Milton Johns and Mary P.

1261
00:49:17.820 --> 00:49:21.480
And episode 6 is Milton Johns and Sylvia James, and all of those

1262
00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:24.719
are, of course, moderated by the lovely Toby Haygo.

1263
00:49:24.780 --> 00:49:25.980
Hey, Doc, how delicious.

1264
00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:29.340
Now this is, I believe this is Bill Lyons.

1265
00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:30.539
He's fabulous.

1266
00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:31.320
I love him.

1267
00:49:31.380 --> 00:49:33.239
Oh we know.

1268
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:39.179
Oh, no, I tell, like, that's Gordon Faith.

1269
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:40.860
Bill Lyons is the guard on Danish.

1270
00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:43.980
Now, throwing shade. over there.

1271
00:49:44.039 --> 00:49:47.280
Jamie in the outfit.

1272
00:49:47.340 --> 00:49:50.579
This is the reason Joe Orton came a fan of Doctors.

1273
00:49:51.059 --> 00:49:54.780
And that was that close-up of Jamie was also the clip.

1274
00:49:54.840 --> 00:49:56.639
They used in Resurrection of the Daleks.

1275
00:49:56.699 --> 00:49:57.119
Yes.

1276
00:49:57.179 --> 00:50:03.119
Did you know that Orton wanted to cast young, Fraser, in

1277
00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:05.400
entertaining Mr. Sloan as the ruffian?

1278
00:50:05.460 --> 00:50:08.519
Well, the ruffian in the stairs written before, but because of

1279
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:09.239
this episode.

1280
00:50:09.300 --> 00:50:12.119
And it's the only one mentioned in the diaries, and it's a little

1281
00:50:12.119 --> 00:50:12.719
bit risque.

1282
00:50:12.780 --> 00:50:15.360
So if you're a young listener, I suggest you dash and read it

1283
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:17.340
right now, you need to learn these things.

1284
00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:23.519
Similarly, Kenneth Williams mentioned, an episode of, seem to have

1285
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:26.099
a mentioned episode of the faceless ones in his diaries, where he

1286
00:50:26.099 --> 00:50:28.260
said, put on Dr. Fortenate.

1287
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:31.139
Complete rubbish, but there was a boy with very nice legs.

1288
00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:34.800
So it was either Fraser or Andred.

1289
00:50:34.860 --> 00:50:36.599
Andred was in that episode.

1290
00:50:36.659 --> 00:50:38.460
I like D'Andrea.

1291
00:50:38.579 --> 00:50:40.500
Or WandaVenthem.

1292
00:50:40.500 --> 00:50:41.460
Or WandaVenthem.

1293
00:50:41.519 --> 00:50:43.079
Now, this is the episode.

1294
00:50:43.139 --> 00:50:46.920
This is the episode that was recovered by the BBC in the early

1295
00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:47.460
80s.

1296
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:49.380
Yeah, so this was the only one we'd seen.

1297
00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:50.400
Which made no sense.

1298
00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:56.219
And it was the one, this episode, like there's no location

1299
00:50:56.219 --> 00:50:57.059
filming.

1300
00:50:57.119 --> 00:50:58.380
It's all on sets.

1301
00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:02.940
This was Barry's money saver for the 1st episode, and he expressed

1302
00:51:02.940 --> 00:51:07.380
in his autobiography, who and me, that he was bitterly

1303
00:51:07.380 --> 00:51:09.780
disappointed that this was the episode that existed because he's

1304
00:51:09.780 --> 00:51:12.599
like, we did wonderful things at the beginning and at the end, and

1305
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:13.679
this was the money saver.

1306
00:51:13.739 --> 00:51:14.880
It's just people in corridors.

1307
00:51:14.940 --> 00:51:18.780
He's like, it's not bad as part of the whole, but on its own.

1308
00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:21.239
It's the 1st example of my Doctor Who work.

1309
00:51:21.300 --> 00:51:24.059
And I'm so sorry that we don't have everything else.

1310
00:51:24.659 --> 00:51:27.480
Was he still with us when the rest of it was found?

1311
00:51:27.539 --> 00:51:29.460
I don't think he was.

1312
00:51:29.579 --> 00:51:32.699
Oh, he just passed that year or the year before.

1313
00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:33.599
He passed.

1314
00:51:33.659 --> 00:51:35.519
Sorry, he passed 2012, I think.

1315
00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:38.460
Yeah, he had been ill for a long time, like his successive

1316
00:51:38.460 --> 00:51:39.179
appearances.

1317
00:51:39.179 --> 00:51:42.119
DVD extras, his sicker and sicker, I think.

1318
00:51:42.179 --> 00:51:48.420
That was part of Ian Levine's objection to apparently, apparently

1319
00:51:48.420 --> 00:51:52.380
and I don't know what truth there is in this, but these 2 stories

1320
00:51:52.380 --> 00:51:55.920
were recovered about a year before they were released.

1321
00:51:55.980 --> 00:51:57.059
Right.

1322
00:51:57.059 --> 00:52:00.179
And of course, part of that is restoration work, but we later

1323
00:52:00.179 --> 00:52:03.840
found out that part of it was because episode 3 of the Web of Fear

1324
00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:08.219
had been sold on after it was found and they were trying to get it

1325
00:52:08.219 --> 00:52:11.699
back for that year and also try to track down other things as

1326
00:52:11.699 --> 00:52:11.940
well.

1327
00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:13.260
And that was part of the delay.

1328
00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:19.559
But yeah, Ian Levine was very upset that Barry wasn't able to find

1329
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:21.119
out, hey, this whole story's back.

1330
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:24.539
Personally, I think Barry probably had bigger things on his mind.

1331
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:25.980
But...

1332
00:52:25.980 --> 00:52:27.780
And here we got the waiting.

1333
00:52:28.019 --> 00:52:32.699
Or the security corridor, which is not actually very secure at

1334
00:52:32.699 --> 00:52:32.820
all.

1335
00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:36.239
It's easier to guard him. locked with an inch of its life, too

1336
00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:36.659
isn't it?

1337
00:52:36.719 --> 00:52:37.380
Look at that wallpaper.

1338
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:38.159
That outfit.

1339
00:52:38.219 --> 00:52:40.860
Brendan, really, I think we need to be expanding your cosplay.

1340
00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:41.340
Oh, hello.

1341
00:52:41.400 --> 00:52:42.000
Oh, hello, yes.

1342
00:52:42.059 --> 00:52:42.420
Who's that?

1343
00:52:42.539 --> 00:52:44.820
He's known as prison rations.

1344
00:52:45.659 --> 00:52:49.260
I thought that was Jerome Willis, but apparently that's Bill

1345
00:52:49.260 --> 00:52:49.800
Lyons.

1346
00:52:49.860 --> 00:52:51.179
How lovely.

1347
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:54.539
It's beautifully tense, though, and elegantly scripted.

1348
00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:55.739
It does feel like.

1349
00:52:56.280 --> 00:52:59.099
Oh, security kitchen. beautifully shot.

1350
00:52:59.159 --> 00:53:00.300
No, it's Sandford.

1351
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:02.400
Nathan, did you want to touch on this?

1352
00:53:02.460 --> 00:53:03.539
Sand of a says about this episode.

1353
00:53:03.599 --> 00:53:07.679
I think I remember him saying, and I didn't read it in preparation

1354
00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:11.400
so I'm just sort of my memories of reading it on the loo over the

1355
00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:12.059
past few years.

1356
00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:13.260
Best place to do it.

1357
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:17.219
Is that the interesting thing about Griffin is he's a character

1358
00:53:17.219 --> 00:53:21.840
who would never sort of appear in Doctor Who before he's something

1359
00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:25.320
someone that you would just sort of never normally see. critiques

1360
00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:27.119
the rest of this story beautifully.

1361
00:53:27.179 --> 00:53:29.159
So in a very Brechtian way.

1362
00:53:29.219 --> 00:53:31.260
He's a downstairs character.

1363
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:32.099
Yeah, exactly.

1364
00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:37.320
He, in fact, yes, he's the Jonah Lumley in the downtown abbey

1365
00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:38.400
sipping off all the time.

1366
00:53:38.579 --> 00:53:40.679
Remember when she did the yes?

1367
00:53:40.739 --> 00:53:43.619
That Downton Abbey at Downton Abbey.

1368
00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:44.639
Upstairs downtown Abbey?

1369
00:53:44.699 --> 00:53:45.599
Yeah, yeah.

1370
00:53:45.659 --> 00:53:48.239
With French and Saunders and China Lumley.

1371
00:53:48.300 --> 00:53:52.380
Yes, which you should be watching that while you're listening to

1372
00:53:52.380 --> 00:53:52.800
it.

1373
00:53:52.860 --> 00:53:56.460
It's a really, really great character, isn't he?

1374
00:53:56.519 --> 00:53:57.599
So funny.

1375
00:53:57.599 --> 00:54:01.800
He's funny. saturnine and duer and very funny, and this is the

1376
00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:03.960
point, the Doctor Who, when it does comedy, I think it does it

1377
00:54:03.960 --> 00:54:07.380
blithely and succinctly and perfectly. and this is this is it.

1378
00:54:07.380 --> 00:54:07.860
Great comedy.

1379
00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:11.760
Yeah, importantly, Doctor Who tends to put comic characters in

1380
00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:12.960
serious situations.

1381
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:16.380
Yeah, rather than comic situations.

1382
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:19.559
Like even the unicorn and the wasp in the new series, which is a

1383
00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:19.980
comedy.

1384
00:54:20.039 --> 00:54:21.900
The situation is serious.

1385
00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:23.340
There are murders happening.

1386
00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:24.960
The unicorn and the wasps.

1387
00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:26.820
Oh, right, I see.

1388
00:54:26.880 --> 00:54:30.179
You know, and you have that one...

1389
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:33.119
You have that wonderful bit at the end where Christopher Benjamin

1390
00:54:33.119 --> 00:54:35.219
confesses he, that's who you've been able to walk all this time

1391
00:54:35.219 --> 00:54:37.380
and Agatha Christie says, actually, I was going to say you were

1392
00:54:37.380 --> 00:54:38.280
completely innocent.

1393
00:54:39.900 --> 00:54:42.539
And he says, oh, shall I sit down?

1394
00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:45.599
All the, all the intro.

1395
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:47.820
Interference in the kitchen.

1396
00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:49.500
Oh, well, we've all been there.

1397
00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:53.219
I love Victoria's face there.

1398
00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:55.500
She's obviously had to deal with this with her servants.

1399
00:54:55.559 --> 00:54:56.159
Yes.

1400
00:54:56.159 --> 00:54:57.539
Yes, her servants.

1401
00:54:57.780 --> 00:55:00.000
That's what she calls them too.

1402
00:55:00.059 --> 00:55:04.619
So the comedy foregrounds, salamander, and the kind of world that

1403
00:55:04.619 --> 00:55:05.699
we live in as well.

1404
00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:10.679
Yeah, poo poos this episode, but it actually ties the entire story

1405
00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:12.780
together and makes it that much darker.

1406
00:55:12.900 --> 00:55:14.579
Yeah, by the contrast.

1407
00:55:14.639 --> 00:55:15.539
Oh, hello.

1408
00:55:15.659 --> 00:55:19.199
I mean, Sandifer wrote his essay before he'd seen it.

1409
00:55:19.260 --> 00:55:23.219
And he said that he thought it was probably the best trout and

1410
00:55:23.219 --> 00:55:26.219
just on the basis, I think, of the soundtrack or the recons or

1411
00:55:26.219 --> 00:55:27.300
whatever it was he watched.

1412
00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:29.039
The BBC audio of this.

1413
00:55:29.099 --> 00:55:32.159
And I still listen to it other than watch it because it just, it's

1414
00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:33.420
well, again, their audio plays.

1415
00:55:33.480 --> 00:55:34.139
They work beautifully.

1416
00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:35.820
Oh, with this episode in particular.

1417
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:41.519
I think you'd miss out because episode one is so remarkably...

1418
00:55:41.639 --> 00:55:45.300
At least Jamie and Victoria, actually, are doing something with

1419
00:55:45.300 --> 00:55:47.159
wild. like them in this, don't you?

1420
00:55:47.219 --> 00:55:49.019
Yeah, yeah, I think both of them.

1421
00:55:49.079 --> 00:55:52.619
Well, I mean, I always like, I think Fraser always delivers a good

1422
00:55:52.619 --> 00:55:55.019
performance, whether or not Jamie is written generically or

1423
00:55:55.019 --> 00:55:55.440
whatever.

1424
00:55:55.500 --> 00:55:57.599
He does a lot with the character, doesn't he?

1425
00:55:57.659 --> 00:55:58.920
He's visually interesting.

1426
00:55:58.980 --> 00:56:03.000
Victoria, for me, unfortunately, I just think they make her be

1427
00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:04.320
damsel in distress so often.

1428
00:56:04.380 --> 00:56:09.179
So it's good when she gets other moments and I think her best

1429
00:56:09.179 --> 00:56:12.599
moment in the whole series is in this story, which we haven't seen

1430
00:56:12.599 --> 00:56:12.780
yet.

1431
00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:14.760
So are they off next week?

1432
00:56:14.820 --> 00:56:16.980
Yeah, I think it's next week they're off.

1433
00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:18.360
Yeah, it's next week.

1434
00:56:18.420 --> 00:56:19.139
It's next week.

1435
00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:21.659
I can only imagine what Pat made of that.

1436
00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:24.840
There's like, I have to play 2 parts and they get a holiday.

1437
00:56:25.019 --> 00:56:29.099
Well, he spends a fair amount of his run unconscious on holiday

1438
00:56:29.099 --> 00:56:29.579
does he?

1439
00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:30.840
Yeah, played by Chris Jeffries.

1440
00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:33.900
Now that's definitely used in Inferno.

1441
00:56:33.960 --> 00:56:35.159
But that is so clever.

1442
00:56:35.219 --> 00:56:36.780
Like starting on the screen and pulling out.

1443
00:56:36.840 --> 00:56:39.840
I was about to say, that looks so fake like it's on a television.

1444
00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:44.639
And now we've got Giles Caravan.

1445
00:56:44.699 --> 00:56:46.739
Which is rather amazing.

1446
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:49.079
So what's...

1447
00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:52.739
They're scoping out the place in a caravan.

1448
00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:55.920
It's weird delaying tactics too, isn't it?

1449
00:56:55.980 --> 00:56:56.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1450
00:56:57.000 --> 00:56:57.719
Well, that's the thing.

1451
00:56:57.780 --> 00:57:01.320
Like, the doctor spends, like, all of this story going, no, I

1452
00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:02.159
don't have enough evidence yet.

1453
00:57:02.219 --> 00:57:04.619
I don't have enough evidence to go after this dictator.

1454
00:57:04.679 --> 00:57:07.440
It's like, when do you ever wait for evidence ever?

1455
00:57:08.340 --> 00:57:12.900
We've got 6 episodes and we have to delay the big...

1456
00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:15.239
Is that his own picture on the wall or is that someone else?

1457
00:57:15.300 --> 00:57:17.880
I think it's meant to be his dad or maybe it's him as a young

1458
00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:18.059
man.

1459
00:57:18.119 --> 00:57:19.920
Because there is a resemblance.

1460
00:57:20.039 --> 00:57:21.900
Seems like for ever since we've seen the doctor.

1461
00:57:21.960 --> 00:57:26.280
Yeah, yeah. only had one scene last episode. like a cushion like

1462
00:57:26.280 --> 00:57:26.460
that.

1463
00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:30.840
Whereas, you know, now we had salamander at the beginning, and

1464
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:35.280
then we had 2 scenes without him to get Pat. into his proper

1465
00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:38.639
makeup, and you'll notice that his his doctor hair is a little

1466
00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:41.699
less scruffy during this story, where he has to change out of

1467
00:57:41.699 --> 00:57:45.480
being salamander, because they rough it up as much as they can, but

1468
00:57:45.480 --> 00:57:47.880
it's not truly unruly.

1469
00:57:47.940 --> 00:57:50.219
So you can still see the remains of the side parting there.

1470
00:57:50.460 --> 00:57:54.059
I mean, there would have been a recording break as well to strip

1471
00:57:54.059 --> 00:57:55.199
off the makeup and whatnot.

1472
00:57:58.260 --> 00:58:00.900
That's a lot link.

1473
00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:05.340
They're never going to look in there. wonderful.

1474
00:58:08.940 --> 00:58:11.400
He totally looked at his man.

1475
00:58:11.460 --> 00:58:12.539
This is hello, low.

1476
00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:14.340
That's caravan.

1477
00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:15.000
So would you.

1478
00:58:15.059 --> 00:58:16.260
I might have known.

1479
00:58:17.099 --> 00:58:19.320
So we're still in Australia here.

1480
00:58:19.380 --> 00:58:21.599
Yeah, Australia, Turkey or something?

1481
00:58:21.659 --> 00:58:22.500
Hungry.

1482
00:58:22.619 --> 00:58:23.039
Hungry.

1483
00:58:23.099 --> 00:58:23.579
Yeah.

1484
00:58:23.639 --> 00:58:25.559
So Jamie and Victoria are now in Hungary.

1485
00:58:25.679 --> 00:58:29.159
Their transport system is instantaneously.

1486
00:58:29.219 --> 00:58:31.500
Well, that was always the thing, though, that people imagined in

1487
00:58:31.500 --> 00:58:33.900
the future that you would be able to get from country to country

1488
00:58:33.900 --> 00:58:35.159
in sort of half an hour.

1489
00:58:35.219 --> 00:58:37.019
You know, they didn't realise in 2017.

1490
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:40.139
You can't even get from suburb to suburb in half an hour.

1491
00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:41.880
It's actually got worse and worse isn't it?

1492
00:58:41.940 --> 00:58:43.079
Well, well, well.

1493
00:58:43.139 --> 00:58:43.739
Who's the daddy?

1494
00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:45.599
Oh, so we do know who it is.

1495
00:58:45.659 --> 00:58:46.440
Oh, no.

1496
00:58:46.500 --> 00:58:46.980
Okay, yeah.

1497
00:58:47.039 --> 00:58:48.960
So it does seem to be his old photo.

1498
00:58:49.619 --> 00:58:52.260
I have no right to our clutch your arms.

1499
00:58:53.460 --> 00:58:55.800
Why do you push your arms out?

1500
00:58:57.300 --> 00:59:01.380
Why did we all carry around fire extinguishers in the future?

1501
00:59:01.380 --> 00:59:02.820
In the future now?

1502
00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:06.239
How odd that we are sitting here in the future?

1503
00:59:06.300 --> 00:59:08.039
talking about something that's it.

1504
00:59:08.159 --> 00:59:10.500
We have done that in a security kitchen.

1505
00:59:10.559 --> 00:59:13.800
I mean, think about watching the 10th Planet, for instance, or

1506
00:59:13.800 --> 00:59:15.179
Space 90s.

1507
00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:16.260
That wasn't in 79.

1508
00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:18.239
Oh, not like this.

1509
00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:19.860
Ruin all those nice things.

1510
00:59:19.860 --> 00:59:22.019
Oh, and that's that...

1511
00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:25.500
That beautiful line that...

1512
00:59:25.559 --> 00:59:27.599
Yeah, it's coming up, you know.

1513
00:59:27.659 --> 00:59:27.840
Yeah.

1514
00:59:27.900 --> 00:59:29.099
Yeah, just wait for it.

1515
00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:31.380
It's a really, really great doctor.

1516
00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:35.639
Well, particularly Troughton, but very much a doctor line, which I

1517
00:59:35.639 --> 00:59:36.119
think is lovely.

1518
00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:40.320
We are all aware the press had now been, you know, fully opened.

1519
00:59:40.380 --> 00:59:43.199
A lot of artists were still communists were signed up to the party

1520
00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:46.920
but we knew that Stalin was doing this to artists and writers.

1521
00:59:46.980 --> 00:59:47.159
So.

1522
00:59:50.400 --> 00:59:53.340
Hover craft wearing. of a craft.

1523
00:59:53.400 --> 00:59:55.199
It's full of eels.

1524
01:00:00.420 --> 01:00:01.559
Oh, you see, yeah.

1525
01:00:01.619 --> 01:00:02.639
Yeah, no, I don't.

1526
01:00:03.119 --> 01:00:07.800
Oh, but do we understand that the doctor knows who Giles Candy

1527
01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:08.639
is?

1528
01:00:08.699 --> 01:00:10.860
Yeah, I think, yeah, there's a payoff later that he suspects.

1529
01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:15.719
People spend all their time making nice things. people come along

1530
01:00:15.719 --> 01:00:16.260
and break them.

1531
01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:17.039
That's beautiful.

1532
01:00:17.159 --> 01:00:17.699
That's lovely.

1533
01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:19.440
That's now, isn't it?

1534
01:00:19.500 --> 01:00:21.420
Yeah, no, it's it's us. people.

1535
01:00:21.539 --> 01:00:26.579
Yeah, but this is also, in fact, us saying, you know, when are we

1536
01:00:26.579 --> 01:00:28.800
going to intercede and stop this regime?

1537
01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:30.300
Right now?

1538
01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:31.079
No, no, no.

1539
01:00:31.139 --> 01:00:32.820
She's in her new outfit for the episode.

1540
01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:37.139
You know, is it okay to punch a natural disaster causing fascist

1541
01:00:37.139 --> 01:00:37.559
in the face?

1542
01:00:37.619 --> 01:00:38.340
Yes.

1543
01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:40.380
Captain America would.

1544
01:00:41.159 --> 01:00:41.760
So there you go.

1545
01:00:41.820 --> 01:00:44.400
She seems to be able to get into these places rather easily.

1546
01:00:44.460 --> 01:00:45.599
She's fabulous.

1547
01:00:45.659 --> 01:00:47.579
No, I'm not saying she's not.

1548
01:00:47.699 --> 01:00:49.800
The bouncers just waver straight in.

1549
01:00:49.860 --> 01:00:53.639
Well, this guy's going to because he's about to chatter up, which

1550
01:00:53.639 --> 01:00:55.320
is an incredibly sweet moment.

1551
01:00:55.380 --> 01:00:56.039
I love this.

1552
01:00:56.519 --> 01:01:01.440
I mean, yeah, it's stereotyping, but...

1553
01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:05.639
Oh, look at her smile.

1554
01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:07.739
She's evil, gorgeous.

1555
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:08.579
Cut himself.

1556
01:01:08.639 --> 01:01:09.900
Oh, yes, I'll come back all right.

1557
01:01:16.619 --> 01:01:19.019
I actually think world leaders should have the title leader.

1558
01:01:19.079 --> 01:01:20.760
I think that's fabulous Yes.

1559
01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:22.380
Leader Trumbull.

1560
01:01:22.619 --> 01:01:28.920
This beard reminds me of Captain Sisko's beard from Deep Space 9

1561
01:01:28.920 --> 01:01:31.199
in the very 1st episode where he has the beard where it's not

1562
01:01:31.199 --> 01:01:31.559
quite right.

1563
01:01:31.619 --> 01:01:32.760
It's too bushy down below.

1564
01:01:32.820 --> 01:01:34.260
Sorry, I just thought I'd picture it.

1565
01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:34.920
No, you're right.

1566
01:01:34.980 --> 01:01:36.960
And then there's that episode where they give him the new 1st

1567
01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:40.320
contract, 1st contact uniforms, but it doesn't quite fit and his

1568
01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:42.239
comb badge is up too high and it's on the gray bit.

1569
01:01:42.300 --> 01:01:43.619
You remember that?

1570
01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:45.360
I do know when it happens.

1571
01:01:45.420 --> 01:01:45.780
Yeah.

1572
01:01:45.780 --> 01:01:46.260
Yeah.

1573
01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:47.579
That's the thing.

1574
01:01:47.639 --> 01:01:50.159
You don't really notice in a run of episodes, but once you see

1575
01:01:50.159 --> 01:01:51.780
it...

1576
01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:52.079
Yes.

1577
01:01:52.139 --> 01:01:54.059
Meanwhile, back in the security kitchen.

1578
01:01:54.780 --> 01:01:57.179
You just wish it all together.

1579
01:02:00.420 --> 01:02:02.159
Oh shut up.

1580
01:02:02.219 --> 01:02:04.019
He's sit down.

1581
01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:04.800
This is me.

1582
01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:08.159
That was him being chivalrous standing when a woman enters the

1583
01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:08.340
room.

1584
01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:13.019
It's lovely Gods everywhere.

1585
01:02:13.079 --> 01:02:14.280
It's like duh.

1586
01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:18.840
They have everyone's kind of sidelined, aren't they?

1587
01:02:18.900 --> 01:02:22.739
We're just enjoying the things going on around us with Mary and

1588
01:02:22.739 --> 01:02:24.360
Danish and all of these people.

1589
01:02:24.420 --> 01:02:26.699
Um, it works quite well.

1590
01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:29.880
Where's where's salamander?

1591
01:02:29.940 --> 01:02:31.139
Oh, here we go.

1592
01:02:31.139 --> 01:02:33.000
He's getting back into makeup.

1593
01:02:36.780 --> 01:02:40.860
God, there are editors like this at work.

1594
01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:45.539
And he's the only one doing the accent and he's not even in

1595
01:02:45.539 --> 01:02:46.019
Australia.

1596
01:02:46.079 --> 01:02:50.280
Actually, there is a guy exactly like this, except he has hair.

1597
01:02:51.900 --> 01:02:54.239
Oh, God, it's Nathan.

1598
01:02:54.300 --> 01:02:55.619
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

1599
01:02:55.679 --> 01:02:56.460
It tiresome.

1600
01:02:56.519 --> 01:02:57.719
This food is so tiresome.

1601
01:03:01.500 --> 01:03:03.900
The firing squad would be...

1602
01:03:04.019 --> 01:03:06.840
Oh, he's a stoic. practising negative visualisation.

1603
01:03:06.900 --> 01:03:07.860
Yeah, yeah.

1604
01:03:09.119 --> 01:03:12.000
He's so strikingly weird looking as well.

1605
01:03:12.059 --> 01:03:12.719
Yes.

1606
01:03:16.079 --> 01:03:18.539
Liberty Hall, Dr. Tyler.

1607
01:03:18.599 --> 01:03:19.320
Liberty Hall.

1608
01:03:19.440 --> 01:03:23.579
Oh, this is her standouts moment coming up.

1609
01:03:23.639 --> 01:03:24.719
For real.

1610
01:03:24.719 --> 01:03:25.079
Yeah.

1611
01:03:25.139 --> 01:03:29.579
Yeah, aside from the very unfortunate scene which happens the next

1612
01:03:29.579 --> 01:03:31.739
episode and it's very distressing because she's so lovely.

1613
01:03:32.219 --> 01:03:33.900
Spoilers.

1614
01:03:33.960 --> 01:03:34.380
Yeah.

1615
01:03:35.519 --> 01:03:37.500
Oh, this bit, yeah.

1616
01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:39.960
Yeah, what do you know?

1617
01:03:41.519 --> 01:03:46.500
And it's, it's world building as well as well as characterisation

1618
01:03:46.500 --> 01:03:50.219
like we're learning a bit about the world, and it doesn't all have

1619
01:03:50.219 --> 01:03:51.239
to be explained to us.

1620
01:03:51.300 --> 01:03:52.139
Yeah, well.

1621
01:03:52.199 --> 01:03:55.320
Yes, that makes me assuming we have intelligence.

1622
01:03:55.380 --> 01:03:57.059
Yeah, it's nice, isn't it?

1623
01:03:57.119 --> 01:04:02.699
It's not, you know, where where the short, where the short, where

1624
01:04:02.699 --> 01:04:06.239
the short, tall, fat, thin, gay atheists, why would we have

1625
01:04:06.239 --> 01:04:06.539
names?

1626
01:04:06.599 --> 01:04:07.860
Yeah, yeah.

1627
01:04:07.860 --> 01:04:10.380
You know, which works for a second, but it's like, oh.

1628
01:04:10.380 --> 01:04:14.099
And then one of them gets horribly decapitated. you know, yay

1629
01:04:14.099 --> 01:04:14.880
representation.

1630
01:04:17.940 --> 01:04:21.119
Yeah, that was really Moffat's response for being to being told

1631
01:04:21.119 --> 01:04:24.900
off that there weren't enough gay people. in his Doctor Who is to

1632
01:04:24.900 --> 01:04:28.199
put the Fat one and the thin one in.

1633
01:04:28.260 --> 01:04:31.619
The funny thing is, Good man goes to war, is it?

1634
01:04:31.679 --> 01:04:32.940
Yeah, yeah.

1635
01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:36.119
But under Russell, he constantly has men flirting with men and

1636
01:04:36.119 --> 01:04:39.000
women flirting with women.

1637
01:04:39.059 --> 01:04:39.780
Yeah, yeah.

1638
01:04:39.840 --> 01:04:41.760
I mean maybe that's Russell rewriting it.

1639
01:04:41.820 --> 01:04:45.059
But according to Russell, the whole thing with all the all the gay

1640
01:04:45.059 --> 01:04:48.539
characters in the doctor dances came from Moffatt.

1641
01:04:49.199 --> 01:04:49.619
Yeah.

1642
01:04:49.619 --> 01:04:53.280
But we're getting ahead of ourselves.

1643
01:04:55.440 --> 01:04:57.059
Oh, dear.

1644
01:04:57.179 --> 01:04:58.739
This is where's the salt?

1645
01:04:59.579 --> 01:05:02.940
Make Victoria look like an idiot.

1646
01:05:03.239 --> 01:05:06.480
Why isn't he going on about eggs, boiled eggs?

1647
01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:10.920
Yes, no.

1648
01:05:10.980 --> 01:05:13.440
He's got this poison to give to George Pravda.

1649
01:05:13.739 --> 01:05:16.079
What if he doesn't take salt?

1650
01:05:16.440 --> 01:05:18.360
Everyone did back then.

1651
01:05:18.420 --> 01:05:21.179
Everyone had high blind...

1652
01:05:21.239 --> 01:05:22.679
Everyone had salt, everyone smoked.

1653
01:05:23.699 --> 01:05:25.679
Everyone had 2 wives.

1654
01:05:25.739 --> 01:05:28.920
Cocaine injected directly into the buttocks.

1655
01:05:28.980 --> 01:05:30.659
I'm doing that now.

1656
01:05:31.079 --> 01:05:32.940
LDS.

1657
01:05:32.940 --> 01:05:34.079
LDS.

1658
01:05:34.139 --> 01:05:39.000
L alphabet of leisure drugs.

1659
01:05:42.059 --> 01:05:45.300
You just forget it's the doctor, then.

1660
01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:46.019
Yeah, yeah.

1661
01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:47.940
And that's that's the highest compliment.

1662
01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:48.900
We can pay him, really.

1663
01:05:48.960 --> 01:05:52.619
They flared his eyebrows. had a career before this show.

1664
01:05:52.739 --> 01:05:58.500
And what's what's telling about it is the Abbot of Amboise came

1665
01:05:58.500 --> 01:06:03.420
around because Hartnell petitioned to play a duplicate of

1666
01:06:03.420 --> 01:06:03.960
something.

1667
01:06:04.019 --> 01:06:05.639
I want to stretch myself down there.

1668
01:06:05.699 --> 01:06:09.539
Patrick didn't know he was he was playing a duplicate until he got

1669
01:06:09.539 --> 01:06:10.019
the script.

1670
01:06:10.079 --> 01:06:11.519
That's a nice way to do.

1671
01:06:11.579 --> 01:06:17.219
And, you know, he was a bit worried about the load, but, um, he

1672
01:06:17.219 --> 01:06:20.159
kind of just said, look, you know, let's just sit down and figure

1673
01:06:20.159 --> 01:06:23.699
out a way where it's not too, where it's still like, it's like

1674
01:06:23.699 --> 01:06:25.800
playing one part in terms of the volume.

1675
01:06:25.860 --> 01:06:26.400
Yeah.

1676
01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:29.280
But, you know, I'm happy to do it.

1677
01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:30.719
And that's the thing.

1678
01:06:30.780 --> 01:06:34.260
Like, he constantly after the show talked about how tiring it was

1679
01:06:34.260 --> 01:06:38.159
but you never, it never translates on screen, how tight he was, and

1680
01:06:38.159 --> 01:06:43.679
by the end, how kind of, I think, uh, it was, Dominate as a mind

1681
01:06:43.679 --> 01:06:46.619
robber, he was really getting frustrated, and that's why mind

1682
01:06:46.619 --> 01:06:49.320
dropper episodes are so short, but it never comes across in his

1683
01:06:49.320 --> 01:06:50.519
performance, that he's really angry.

1684
01:06:50.579 --> 01:06:53.099
I think he's throwing it a bit in the dominators.

1685
01:06:53.159 --> 01:06:54.539
I think he's he's cross.

1686
01:06:54.539 --> 01:06:55.739
Yeah, but that's a script.

1687
01:06:55.800 --> 01:06:57.659
Yeah, well, I think that's what he's cross at.

1688
01:06:57.719 --> 01:06:59.519
You know, maybe it's not that he's tired.

1689
01:06:59.579 --> 01:07:03.960
Maybe it's that this is really terrible and he's going to, and

1690
01:07:03.960 --> 01:07:07.440
actually, I think when he clowns around in that final episode of

1691
01:07:07.440 --> 01:07:11.219
The Dominators, it's pretty much the only enjoyable thing in the

1692
01:07:11.219 --> 01:07:12.119
entire story.

1693
01:07:15.179 --> 01:07:16.559
Oh, he couldn't do it.

1694
01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:20.099
Oh, well, that's not going to do him any good, is it?

1695
01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:21.239
Poor Daniel Netheim.

1696
01:07:21.300 --> 01:07:21.840
David May time?

1697
01:07:21.900 --> 01:07:22.500
Daniel that time?

1698
01:07:22.559 --> 01:07:23.400
David and that time.

1699
01:07:23.519 --> 01:07:24.179
David at home.

1700
01:07:24.179 --> 01:07:25.260
Daniel at home is a director.

1701
01:07:25.320 --> 01:07:30.059
And I, I have to say, despite the, despite the fact that Daniel

1702
01:07:30.059 --> 01:07:33.599
Nedheim has a full head of hair. resemblance because we saw him at

1703
01:07:33.599 --> 01:07:36.960
the Doctor Who festival, giving a talk.

1704
01:07:37.019 --> 01:07:39.900
Yeah, there's definitely a family resemblance there.

1705
01:07:42.960 --> 01:07:46.800
Oh, you're in trouble when Salamander smiles at you.

1706
01:07:46.860 --> 01:07:50.639
And when you've given him back the poison and he offers you a

1707
01:07:50.639 --> 01:07:51.420
drink veteran.

1708
01:07:52.260 --> 01:07:55.619
Pay attention, veteran, for God's sake.

1709
01:07:55.679 --> 01:07:59.099
How did you get to be controller of the 7th sector or whatever the

1710
01:07:59.099 --> 01:07:59.460
hell you are?

1711
01:07:59.519 --> 01:08:00.539
What is he?

1712
01:08:00.659 --> 01:08:01.739
Yeah, good health.

1713
01:08:03.360 --> 01:08:04.019
Come on.

1714
01:08:04.079 --> 01:08:08.039
We have politicians who think getting a helicopter ride when they

1715
01:08:08.039 --> 01:08:11.340
have a car waiting for them is a pretty neat idea.

1716
01:08:14.639 --> 01:08:15.780
Great death.

1717
01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:19.199
Actually, he gets 2 appearances in Doctor 2 and 2 great debts.

1718
01:08:19.920 --> 01:08:21.239
Yeah.

1719
01:08:21.239 --> 01:08:22.500
Get shrunk, my friend.

1720
01:08:26.520 --> 01:08:28.140
Yeah.

1721
01:08:28.140 --> 01:08:34.859
Brilliant.

1722
01:08:34.920 --> 01:08:36.119
Of course.

1723
01:08:36.420 --> 01:08:41.039
I mean, that's so Bondi and that's he disagreed with something

1724
01:08:41.039 --> 01:08:42.539
that ate him.

1725
01:08:42.600 --> 01:08:45.359
Or Alan Rickman in Die Hard.

1726
01:08:45.420 --> 01:08:48.899
Mr. Yama Mertero won't be joining us for the rest of his life.

1727
01:08:49.199 --> 01:08:51.720
Do you know I've never seen Die Hard?

1728
01:08:51.779 --> 01:08:54.359
Neither should I. Neither have I. just seen the Alan Rickman

1729
01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:54.720
bits.

1730
01:08:54.779 --> 01:08:56.640
That's a good word, you see.

1731
01:08:56.699 --> 01:08:58.680
Maybe next Christmas.

1732
01:08:58.739 --> 01:09:00.060
It is a Christmas movie.

1733
01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:00.899
Yeah, no I know.

1734
01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:02.640
It's joining us under the coffee table.

1735
01:09:02.699 --> 01:09:04.380
It's getting damn proud of them.

1736
01:09:05.520 --> 01:09:08.699
Why would anyone ever leave Woolamaloo?

1737
01:09:08.699 --> 01:09:11.640
That's the question I asked.

1738
01:09:11.699 --> 01:09:12.720
And so yeah.

1739
01:09:12.779 --> 01:09:14.039
In universe.

1740
01:09:14.100 --> 01:09:15.479
That's why he left Woolamaloo.

1741
01:09:15.539 --> 01:09:16.439
Oh.

1742
01:09:16.439 --> 01:09:17.159
Action.

1743
01:09:17.220 --> 01:09:19.560
Sorry, she actually says sorry, Anos there.

1744
01:09:19.619 --> 01:09:20.939
And shot in the back.

1745
01:09:22.560 --> 01:09:24.539
Trolly acting.

1746
01:09:25.199 --> 01:09:27.899
So yeah, there...

1747
01:09:27.960 --> 01:09:28.619
Wasn't it weird?

1748
01:09:29.039 --> 01:09:33.060
Um, one thing Barry Letz does say about working on this and

1749
01:09:33.060 --> 01:09:38.460
something he he learned not to do was he kind of only shot as much

1750
01:09:38.460 --> 01:09:43.020
as he needed and that would, that does present a problem later in

1751
01:09:43.020 --> 01:09:45.779
this story, but that's why you get such sudden cuts.

1752
01:09:45.840 --> 01:09:49.500
And by the time he's directing in the Pertwee era, he's learned

1753
01:09:49.500 --> 01:09:51.960
okay, even if I think I finished the shot, just leave it for a few

1754
01:09:51.960 --> 01:09:52.319
seconds.

1755
01:09:52.380 --> 01:09:55.500
And we see that in Carnival of Monsters because there's an

1756
01:09:55.500 --> 01:09:57.060
extended cut of one of those episodes.

1757
01:09:57.239 --> 01:10:01.079
But yeah, that's why there's kind of a weird cut there because

1758
01:10:01.079 --> 01:10:06.239
Barry would call cut very, like he was a very energetic director

1759
01:10:06.239 --> 01:10:10.140
which comes as a surprise because he's such a, you know, calm

1760
01:10:10.140 --> 01:10:12.119
measure. super chilled, isn't he?

1761
01:10:12.180 --> 01:10:14.640
But apparently when he's directing, he's almost like Graham

1762
01:10:14.640 --> 01:10:15.060
Harper.

1763
01:10:15.239 --> 01:10:22.680
Um, And yet, they're being taken off for a week in Skegness.

1764
01:10:22.739 --> 01:10:23.340
Off you go.

1765
01:10:23.399 --> 01:10:24.239
Off you go, guys.

1766
01:10:24.300 --> 01:10:26.279
So let's direct.

1767
01:10:26.340 --> 01:10:27.960
Does he direct during the poetry era?

1768
01:10:28.020 --> 01:10:29.579
Terror of the Autons?

1769
01:10:29.640 --> 01:10:31.140
Carnival of Monsters.

1770
01:10:31.199 --> 01:10:32.279
Who does spiders?

1771
01:10:32.340 --> 01:10:33.600
He does spiders.

1772
01:10:33.659 --> 01:10:35.640
I think he does Time Monster.

1773
01:10:35.699 --> 01:10:36.720
Does he do green death?

1774
01:10:36.899 --> 01:10:38.399
Yeah.

1775
01:10:39.239 --> 01:10:41.819
No, Michael Bryant.

1776
01:10:41.880 --> 01:10:42.600
Does Green Death.

1777
01:10:42.659 --> 01:10:46.859
But yeah, you're thinking the inadvisable overuse of CSO in that

1778
01:10:46.859 --> 01:10:47.220
story.

1779
01:10:47.279 --> 01:10:48.779
No, he's a triple threat.

1780
01:10:48.840 --> 01:10:50.460
He a writer, director, producer.

1781
01:10:50.520 --> 01:10:54.119
Actor as well in his previous life.

1782
01:10:54.180 --> 01:10:54.659
Even more.

1783
01:10:57.720 --> 01:10:58.319
Was you?

1784
01:10:58.319 --> 01:10:59.100
Was you?

1785
01:11:02.159 --> 01:11:04.260
Wait, are we getting towards the cliffhanger?

1786
01:11:04.319 --> 01:11:06.180
We are, and it's a sudden realisation.

1787
01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:08.159
Someone like you.

1788
01:11:09.239 --> 01:11:13.020
Yeah, again, another brilliant cliffhanger where someone learns

1789
01:11:13.020 --> 01:11:13.800
something.

1790
01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:17.039
Oh, exciting.

1791
01:11:17.100 --> 01:11:19.140
Now, salamander knows about the doctor.

1792
01:11:20.579 --> 01:11:23.159
Someone else, a double ganger.

1793
01:11:24.479 --> 01:11:27.060
Could be a, could be an auton.

1794
01:11:27.180 --> 01:11:29.880
Could be a robot replica.

1795
01:11:29.939 --> 01:11:34.439
And that's, uh, that could be something from, um, Stigron and the

1796
01:11:34.439 --> 01:11:34.979
crafts.

1797
01:11:35.760 --> 01:11:37.500
Why are they back?

1798
01:11:37.560 --> 01:11:40.380
Oh, they are a big finish.

1799
01:11:40.439 --> 01:11:41.579
Of course.

1800
01:11:41.579 --> 01:11:43.199
Oh, everybody's back with...

1801
01:11:43.199 --> 01:11:45.060
The aside and adventure.

1802
01:11:51.119 --> 01:11:52.920
Oh Barry, we love you.

1803
01:11:55.979 --> 01:11:57.720
That's where, yeah.

1804
01:11:58.439 --> 01:12:01.260
And we are back with episode four.

1805
01:12:01.319 --> 01:12:02.699
Is this thing on?

1806
01:12:02.760 --> 01:12:04.079
That thing is on.

1807
01:12:04.140 --> 01:12:04.560
Good.

1808
01:12:04.619 --> 01:12:07.739
It does feel like you're in a car wash, doesn't it?

1809
01:12:07.800 --> 01:12:12.180
It's that moment in the 67 Casino Royale when Mary Peach comes

1810
01:12:12.180 --> 01:12:15.180
over and presses her mouth against the windscreen wipers, while

1811
01:12:15.180 --> 01:12:16.199
you're having an important chat.

1812
01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:21.840
You know, even though I seen Casino Royale 3 times in the last 12

1813
01:12:21.840 --> 01:12:24.479
months, I'm not entirely convinced that doesn't happen in it

1814
01:12:24.479 --> 01:12:27.659
because it's the strangest movie ever made.

1815
01:12:27.720 --> 01:12:29.220
Isn't it also one of the best?

1816
01:12:29.279 --> 01:12:32.699
I was lucky enough to see it when I was 7 on TV and it was shown

1817
01:12:32.699 --> 01:12:33.060
every year.

1818
01:12:33.119 --> 01:12:33.600
Oh, hello.

1819
01:12:33.659 --> 01:12:36.899
We actually have been a lot like Desi Watling, and I'm not being

1820
01:12:36.899 --> 01:12:37.439
unkind.

1821
01:12:37.500 --> 01:12:40.619
It might just be the amount of makeup, the shape of the face, or

1822
01:12:40.619 --> 01:12:42.779
the panic, but in his case, he remembers his loans.

1823
01:12:43.680 --> 01:12:50.460
Sorry, I, I, I, I, I, I've never noticed Debbie stumbling over her

1824
01:12:50.460 --> 01:12:51.479
lines except the character.

1825
01:12:51.539 --> 01:12:54.180
Sorry, are they all just quoting Adele lines at each other?

1826
01:12:54.239 --> 01:12:55.619
someone like you.

1827
01:12:55.680 --> 01:12:59.699
Patience, Mr. when the sky falls, when it crumbles.

1828
01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:06.539
That's why we had a pre-filmed insert, of course, because in this

1829
01:13:06.539 --> 01:13:09.479
episode, Pat has to start as the doctor.

1830
01:13:09.539 --> 01:13:12.119
And you can already see his hair is more bouffon.

1831
01:13:12.359 --> 01:13:16.739
I thought that those bit looked like it was...

1832
01:13:16.800 --> 01:13:18.119
Yeah, it was a film. different quality?

1833
01:13:18.180 --> 01:13:18.779
Insert.

1834
01:13:18.840 --> 01:13:19.680
Better.

1835
01:13:19.739 --> 01:13:21.060
Have you noticed, Todd?

1836
01:13:21.119 --> 01:13:26.819
Because I know this is something that you have said about...

1837
01:13:26.880 --> 01:13:30.960
I know this is something that you've said about Pertwee before, but

1838
01:13:30.960 --> 01:13:33.000
have you noticed that Peter Capaldi's hair is getting more

1839
01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:34.739
involved before as he shows a lot?

1840
01:13:34.800 --> 01:13:39.000
It is quite amazing how I've been watching a bit of deep breath

1841
01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:41.640
and how short it is there, but how it's getting more wilder and

1842
01:13:41.640 --> 01:13:43.800
he's listening up as the doctor.

1843
01:13:44.279 --> 01:13:47.399
When he finishes, he's actually just going to be played by an

1844
01:13:47.399 --> 01:13:47.939
English sheet.

1845
01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:48.899
I'll have this hair.

1846
01:13:51.960 --> 01:13:57.479
Now, this is the reason the theory that the shot we saw in episode

1847
01:13:57.479 --> 01:14:01.260
2 of Giles and the doctor in his office was actually shot during

1848
01:14:01.260 --> 01:14:05.460
episode 4 to save erecting the set for episode 2 when it's already

1849
01:14:05.460 --> 01:14:08.039
in episode four. smart thing to do.

1850
01:14:08.039 --> 01:14:09.600
He's not happy.

1851
01:14:09.600 --> 01:14:12.060
So Guy Craven, there, isn't he?

1852
01:14:12.300 --> 01:14:16.800
And he's on an early moon base alpha communication station.

1853
01:14:17.100 --> 01:14:19.619
And industrial washing machine.

1854
01:14:20.220 --> 01:14:24.060
But it's all on the spin cycle at the moment, so it's just all

1855
01:14:24.060 --> 01:14:24.899
white and sun.

1856
01:14:24.960 --> 01:14:28.199
I love it when we're in the near future and we get words like

1857
01:14:28.199 --> 01:14:29.159
identity print.

1858
01:14:32.699 --> 01:14:34.439
Futuris.

1859
01:14:34.500 --> 01:14:35.100
I love all that.

1860
01:14:35.220 --> 01:14:37.859
I also love that so much of this is shot in the magic roundabout

1861
01:14:37.859 --> 01:14:38.460
caravan.

1862
01:14:39.359 --> 01:14:43.140
She does very good stoic face acting.

1863
01:14:43.199 --> 01:14:45.239
Look at my face, look at my face.

1864
01:14:45.300 --> 01:14:46.800
What was going to happen?

1865
01:14:46.859 --> 01:14:48.720
She wasn't going to be in episodes 5 and six.

1866
01:14:48.779 --> 01:14:50.819
Yeah, she was just going to disappear after this episode.

1867
01:14:50.819 --> 01:14:55.560
Because episodes 5 and six, she gets involved with the underground

1868
01:14:55.560 --> 01:14:56.880
dwellers.

1869
01:14:56.939 --> 01:14:57.779
Now, I...

1870
01:14:57.779 --> 01:14:59.880
I will say that I'm not...

1871
01:14:59.880 --> 01:15:00.479
Girl on Girl.

1872
01:15:00.539 --> 01:15:04.739
I'm not fond of Faria's raincoat.

1873
01:15:08.220 --> 01:15:13.079
The, her, her other costume is just lovely, lovely and light.

1874
01:15:13.140 --> 01:15:15.420
And even when Astrid puts on a coat of compliments, the other

1875
01:15:15.420 --> 01:15:15.659
thing.

1876
01:15:15.720 --> 01:15:17.279
She just looks like she's wearing a bin liner.

1877
01:15:17.760 --> 01:15:21.119
She's just come from the planet Phosphoron.

1878
01:15:21.539 --> 01:15:24.539
I like her Barbara homage booth.

1879
01:15:24.600 --> 01:15:25.680
Yes, yes.

1880
01:15:25.800 --> 01:15:29.819
It's just a lot of Bondi exposition, isn't it?

1881
01:15:29.880 --> 01:15:32.399
Two female characters actually talking to each other.

1882
01:15:32.460 --> 01:15:35.279
Yeah, they aren't talking about a man though, so...

1883
01:15:35.340 --> 01:15:40.439
But they will, I believe, go on to talk about plans, like his

1884
01:15:40.439 --> 01:15:43.859
plans, and I think under the Bechter rules that counts.

1885
01:15:44.279 --> 01:15:48.659
The official Bechdel, the board.

1886
01:15:48.720 --> 01:15:50.279
The board is ruled.

1887
01:15:50.340 --> 01:15:51.359
Yeah, that's right.

1888
01:15:51.539 --> 01:15:56.279
Yeah, they're, they're, along with all the, all the all the

1889
01:15:56.279 --> 01:15:57.000
liberal cucks.

1890
01:15:57.119 --> 01:15:59.340
God, I wish that was a wig.

1891
01:15:59.460 --> 01:16:01.979
Yeah, that's right, it's...

1892
01:16:03.359 --> 01:16:06.600
It is really unfortunate, but I guess he's bald, is he?

1893
01:16:06.600 --> 01:16:07.020
or something?

1894
01:16:07.079 --> 01:16:11.340
Reminds me of the valleyards skull cap with his hat.

1895
01:16:12.600 --> 01:16:17.399
That was the original revelation in Eric Saywood's trial part 14.

1896
01:16:17.520 --> 01:16:19.079
He was Bennick all along.

1897
01:16:19.140 --> 01:16:20.279
I was bennick all along.

1898
01:16:20.340 --> 01:16:23.039
Vanard, as I've always known him, Benick.

1899
01:16:23.100 --> 01:16:26.279
I love how they obviously can't afford a backdrop here and his

1900
01:16:26.279 --> 01:16:29.399
window, his gorgeous window just leads to a brick wall.

1901
01:16:29.640 --> 01:16:34.079
Is this a sense of the compartmentalisation that comes under

1902
01:16:34.079 --> 01:16:37.260
dictatorships, which we all place ourselves in smaller and smaller

1903
01:16:37.260 --> 01:16:40.800
boxes and try and manage in a rat's maze, smaller and smaller

1904
01:16:40.800 --> 01:16:41.039
things.

1905
01:16:41.100 --> 01:16:42.539
I think sand of the bingo.

1906
01:16:42.600 --> 01:16:44.760
So it's something similar about this story.

1907
01:16:45.479 --> 01:16:46.920
What's happening here in Sydney?

1908
01:16:46.979 --> 01:16:50.579
Well, very much so, or indeed in the world, and we can talk about

1909
01:16:50.579 --> 01:16:53.039
the trumpy things because this is so prescient, isn't it?

1910
01:16:53.100 --> 01:16:59.939
But there's the way that we deal with the larger threat is by

1911
01:16:59.939 --> 01:17:03.000
making our lives smaller and more compact and more manageable and

1912
01:17:03.000 --> 01:17:04.500
we shrink down to further and further.

1913
01:17:04.560 --> 01:17:08.819
And these tiny little peregrinations of arguments because it does

1914
01:17:08.819 --> 01:17:11.399
seem to be, you could say, okay, it's also plot fill.

1915
01:17:11.460 --> 01:17:13.380
But I think Sandov does talk about this, doesn't he?

1916
01:17:13.500 --> 01:17:14.279
I can't quite remember.

1917
01:17:14.340 --> 01:17:15.659
No, it has been a while.

1918
01:17:15.720 --> 01:17:17.640
Suck it in, Giles, come on.

1919
01:17:17.699 --> 01:17:20.520
Yeah, I know, it's really not doing anything for him, is he?

1920
01:17:22.439 --> 01:17:26.699
In the script, but not revealed in dialogue, I believe.

1921
01:17:28.140 --> 01:17:32.579
The blackmail related to Fourier's brother.

1922
01:17:32.880 --> 01:17:36.960
Whom Salamander had had killed but still had information on him

1923
01:17:36.960 --> 01:17:39.420
that would damage her and her family if he revealed it.

1924
01:17:39.479 --> 01:17:41.699
So she's working for him in memory of her brother.

1925
01:17:41.880 --> 01:17:43.920
I quite like that we don't find out.

1926
01:17:43.979 --> 01:17:45.000
We don't have to find out.

1927
01:17:45.060 --> 01:17:49.140
Yeah Oh, look how charming.

1928
01:17:49.199 --> 01:17:50.100
I'll get the back.

1929
01:17:50.279 --> 01:17:55.260
I think we could actually get what the doctor in this is on about

1930
01:17:55.260 --> 01:17:56.340
not interfering.

1931
01:17:56.399 --> 01:18:01.500
When he does interfere, as you say, on planet Zog, it's fair or

1932
01:18:01.500 --> 01:18:01.859
complete.

1933
01:18:01.920 --> 01:18:04.020
We don't know the history of the place that you could argue

1934
01:18:04.020 --> 01:18:07.439
neither does he, but it's that he has no other choice.

1935
01:18:07.500 --> 01:18:09.359
It is so obviously gone wrong.

1936
01:18:09.420 --> 01:18:12.300
And here he's, I really, he really doesn't get involved with

1937
01:18:12.300 --> 01:18:12.960
politics.

1938
01:18:13.020 --> 01:18:15.779
He has always run the other way up until now.

1939
01:18:15.960 --> 01:18:21.300
I do think, like, I think it's obviously stalling in a way, but it

1940
01:18:21.300 --> 01:18:26.100
does give us the chance to see, you know, everyone else and the

1941
01:18:26.100 --> 01:18:29.159
rest of the world and give everyone, like, gives him a chance to

1942
01:18:29.159 --> 01:18:33.000
be Salamander, gives us him a chance to, you know, gives us a

1943
01:18:33.000 --> 01:18:35.159
chance to see what's going on in the rest of the world.

1944
01:18:35.640 --> 01:18:40.319
Um, Do you not also think, though, it shows just how circumspect

1945
01:18:40.319 --> 01:18:43.739
the doctor actually is and that he's more noble because of that.

1946
01:18:43.859 --> 01:18:49.199
And that when we do see him jump right in and and defeat the

1947
01:18:49.199 --> 01:18:53.460
cosmic, villainous, chompy things.

1948
01:18:53.520 --> 01:18:54.060
It's.

1949
01:18:54.840 --> 01:18:58.260
Does he normally construct for himself a sort of band of outsiders

1950
01:18:58.260 --> 01:19:00.359
who then, you know, I'm thinking about.

1951
01:19:00.960 --> 01:19:02.460
He is a bit passive, aggressive.

1952
01:19:02.579 --> 01:19:05.819
Well, you know, I'm thinking about the invasion where, you know

1953
01:19:05.819 --> 01:19:08.699
there ends up being just a little group of people, like his

1954
01:19:08.699 --> 01:19:12.239
friends and unit and things who then go in and sort of solve the

1955
01:19:12.239 --> 01:19:12.539
problem.

1956
01:19:12.720 --> 01:19:17.520
Um, because they, it's a displacement to the cyber personages

1957
01:19:17.520 --> 01:19:18.420
should not be here.

1958
01:19:18.479 --> 01:19:23.579
In this case, he will put, this is what he said, you know, he

1959
01:19:23.579 --> 01:19:25.739
hasn't stopped the 2nd World War.

1960
01:19:25.800 --> 01:19:26.399
He didn't stop.

1961
01:19:26.880 --> 01:19:31.560
We could go on Because it's part of the natural events of

1962
01:19:31.560 --> 01:19:31.979
history.

1963
01:19:32.039 --> 01:19:35.159
He didn't kill the Daleks off because, well, he might not.

1964
01:19:35.220 --> 01:19:37.500
We don't know that's going to happen yet because we're only not in

1965
01:19:37.500 --> 01:19:38.699
during 2017.

1966
01:19:38.880 --> 01:19:42.420
Yeah, but I mean, there is dialogue coming up saying that I was, I

1967
01:19:42.420 --> 01:19:46.199
just knew that Giles Kent was a bad guy and that's, that's what I

1968
01:19:46.199 --> 01:19:46.979
was kind of waiting for.

1969
01:19:47.039 --> 01:19:48.420
Yeah, because that's the thing.

1970
01:19:48.420 --> 01:19:51.359
Like, you know, in 21st century, Doctor Who, we do.

1971
01:19:51.359 --> 01:19:53.640
Tell all men. to shoot on site.

1972
01:19:55.739 --> 01:19:57.300
And they do.

1973
01:19:57.420 --> 01:20:00.000
Joe Wharton did scripted this, didn't he?

1974
01:20:00.060 --> 01:20:01.380
I didn't mean that.

1975
01:20:01.380 --> 01:20:03.420
Yeah, but it worked.

1976
01:20:04.199 --> 01:20:08.460
I actually really like this set and this whole sequence, I think

1977
01:20:08.460 --> 01:20:09.300
is really, really good.

1978
01:20:09.359 --> 01:20:11.939
And it's kind of like, it's cleverly shot, like, you know, for

1979
01:20:11.939 --> 01:20:14.399
interior looking at the window and all that sort of thing.

1980
01:20:14.460 --> 01:20:16.500
Yeah, there's a sense of space, you know.

1981
01:20:16.500 --> 01:20:17.520
Look, up there.

1982
01:20:17.579 --> 01:20:19.079
This is really...

1983
01:20:19.319 --> 01:20:21.180
Look out there too.

1984
01:20:21.239 --> 01:20:21.659
Another thing.

1985
01:20:21.960 --> 01:20:24.180
Oh no, this is terrific.

1986
01:20:24.239 --> 01:20:25.680
They push that baby off them.

1987
01:20:25.739 --> 01:20:27.899
Oh, this is, oh, how fantastic.

1988
01:20:27.960 --> 01:20:29.880
Some days you can't get rid of a bomb.

1989
01:20:29.939 --> 01:20:34.979
No, that shot with the, with the, with the, it's, um, God, what is

1990
01:20:34.979 --> 01:20:35.100
it?

1991
01:20:35.159 --> 01:20:35.640
Potemkin?

1992
01:20:35.699 --> 01:20:36.899
Ventilator sharks.

1993
01:20:36.960 --> 01:20:38.220
Yes, yes, battleship per tem.

1994
01:20:38.279 --> 01:20:39.840
Yes, the steps.

1995
01:20:39.840 --> 01:20:40.800
Which is amazing.

1996
01:20:40.859 --> 01:20:44.880
She was just passing through and refused to get out of shop.

1997
01:20:44.939 --> 01:20:46.319
No, no, no, that was planned.

1998
01:20:46.380 --> 01:20:49.140
But no, you're right. battleship attempt. picking up on those

1999
01:20:49.140 --> 01:20:50.100
fantastic.

2000
01:20:50.159 --> 01:20:50.460
Yeah.

2001
01:20:50.699 --> 01:20:54.359
Yeah, this is all very, very messy, clever.

2002
01:20:54.420 --> 01:20:57.899
But yeah, those exteriors were recorded at Villiers house, which

2003
01:20:57.899 --> 01:21:00.420
is the BBC building that years later when it was being

2004
01:21:00.420 --> 01:21:01.140
decommissioned.

2005
01:21:01.199 --> 01:21:04.319
They were clearing out a cupboard and found 4 episodes of the Ice

2006
01:21:04.319 --> 01:21:05.939
Warriors just sitting in a cupboard.

2007
01:21:06.000 --> 01:21:06.899
Billy's house.

2008
01:21:08.699 --> 01:21:12.180
Someone probably left them here while they were shooting that.

2009
01:21:12.239 --> 01:21:12.960
Yeah maybe.

2010
01:21:13.560 --> 01:21:17.699
But yeah, it's the episodes we now have one, four, 5, and six.

2011
01:21:20.159 --> 01:21:22.140
Oh, you kicked me in the balls.

2012
01:21:22.260 --> 01:21:25.020
Well, she grabbed him by the hand.

2013
01:21:28.140 --> 01:21:30.119
Get the Avengers girl.

2014
01:21:30.239 --> 01:21:31.439
Get a girl who can do both.

2015
01:21:31.500 --> 01:21:32.939
Kick you in the ball.

2016
01:21:33.000 --> 01:21:34.500
She had just been in the running for the...

2017
01:21:34.500 --> 01:21:39.899
Well, actually, before she she auditioned for the an appeal

2018
01:21:39.899 --> 01:21:40.260
character.

2019
01:21:40.439 --> 01:21:43.800
She was in the last 5 couch.

2020
01:21:43.859 --> 01:21:46.500
She was kind of 5 with Nari Dawn Porter.

2021
01:21:46.560 --> 01:21:50.520
Um, this was after um, Elizabeth.

2022
01:21:50.579 --> 01:21:52.140
Elizabeth Shepard.

2023
01:21:52.199 --> 01:21:53.100
Yes, yes.

2024
01:21:53.220 --> 01:21:56.100
Yeah, because they'd always wanted Diary Dawn Porter.

2025
01:21:56.159 --> 01:21:58.619
Elizabeth Sladden was passed on, yes.

2026
01:21:59.939 --> 01:22:01.920
Is she in other things?

2027
01:22:01.979 --> 01:22:03.119
Mary Peach.

2028
01:22:03.300 --> 01:22:03.779
Mary Peach.

2029
01:22:03.840 --> 01:22:05.939
I think much like, um, there she is.

2030
01:22:06.000 --> 01:22:10.140
She's impeached cobbler, which was a hilarious send-up.

2031
01:22:10.199 --> 01:22:13.680
She's in James and the...

2032
01:22:13.680 --> 01:22:14.579
Giant Mary P.

2033
01:22:14.640 --> 01:22:18.539
The daughter of Bill Peach, who only our Australian.

2034
01:22:18.600 --> 01:22:19.020
Oh, no.

2035
01:22:19.079 --> 01:22:19.979
Oh.

2036
01:22:19.979 --> 01:22:21.659
That's horrid.

2037
01:22:21.899 --> 01:22:24.840
But she's fabulous in this too, isn't she?

2038
01:22:24.899 --> 01:22:26.340
She's seen it.

2039
01:22:26.340 --> 01:22:27.659
Looks like she's not enjoying it.

2040
01:22:27.720 --> 01:22:30.000
And it's like a horrible mistake. you know, like it.

2041
01:22:33.180 --> 01:22:34.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2042
01:22:34.140 --> 01:22:39.479
And but Bennett comes along and she even sort of, Like she beats

2043
01:22:39.479 --> 01:22:39.779
him.

2044
01:22:39.779 --> 01:22:40.739
Yeah.

2045
01:22:40.859 --> 01:22:42.000
Yeah, it's...

2046
01:22:42.000 --> 01:22:44.760
It's it's amazingly adult.

2047
01:22:45.239 --> 01:22:47.939
Yeah, this is this really is.

2048
01:22:47.939 --> 01:22:50.760
Not the Doctor Who has ever just been for kids, but...

2049
01:22:50.760 --> 01:22:53.939
The criticisms that Baker's series Comm Baker series gets, this is

2050
01:22:53.939 --> 01:22:54.359
just as bad.

2051
01:22:54.539 --> 01:22:57.420
No, I don't think it's...

2052
01:22:57.479 --> 01:22:58.920
I think it's just that old and nasty.

2053
01:22:58.979 --> 01:23:01.739
No, no, adult and adult is one thing.

2054
01:23:01.800 --> 01:23:05.399
Oh, did I think that Milton's being a bit nasty right now?

2055
01:23:05.460 --> 01:23:06.359
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2056
01:23:06.420 --> 01:23:07.020
But look at her.

2057
01:23:07.079 --> 01:23:08.760
Look how triumphant she is.

2058
01:23:08.880 --> 01:23:11.279
Yes, but we're talking about how a child is going to receive this

2059
01:23:11.279 --> 01:23:11.640
scene.

2060
01:23:11.699 --> 01:23:14.460
Yeah, I mean, it's still all cops and robbers.

2061
01:23:14.520 --> 01:23:15.119
There's no guns.

2062
01:23:15.180 --> 01:23:16.020
I have no guns.

2063
01:23:16.079 --> 01:23:16.680
There's no guns.

2064
01:23:16.739 --> 01:23:18.539
There's no blood or anything.

2065
01:23:18.600 --> 01:23:21.300
I finally saw vengeance on Baros this year.

2066
01:23:21.359 --> 01:23:22.680
I'd never seen it all the way through.

2067
01:23:22.739 --> 01:23:26.279
I have to say, Colin does not push people into the acid bath.

2068
01:23:26.340 --> 01:23:27.840
He really isn't or the doctor anyway.

2069
01:23:27.899 --> 01:23:32.279
It really isn't as monstrous as the received wisdom habit.

2070
01:23:32.340 --> 01:23:33.779
Todd's nodding furiously.

2071
01:23:33.840 --> 01:23:35.939
Yeah, I talked to you, yeah.

2072
01:23:37.380 --> 01:23:39.239
Oh, what's it?

2073
01:23:39.239 --> 01:23:39.659
idiot.

2074
01:23:42.720 --> 01:23:43.680
I'll say this so sad.

2075
01:23:43.739 --> 01:23:47.579
The moment she gets shot, I think she's pretty weak when she

2076
01:23:47.579 --> 01:23:48.119
collapses.

2077
01:23:48.180 --> 01:23:48.899
I don't like that moment.

2078
01:23:49.020 --> 01:23:53.340
But that final triumphant, I really like that confrontation with

2079
01:23:53.340 --> 01:23:53.819
Bennett.

2080
01:23:53.939 --> 01:23:56.819
I think I need to go and watch her again with some sound on it.

2081
01:23:56.880 --> 01:23:58.619
Well, that well, that's the thing.

2082
01:23:58.739 --> 01:24:03.180
I mean, all 4 of us have, even in the course of our recordings

2083
01:24:03.180 --> 01:24:06.840
when we're discussing something, gotten new appreciations for

2084
01:24:06.840 --> 01:24:08.399
things, things we think are awful.

2085
01:24:10.800 --> 01:24:13.500
Black Orchid is still the bottom of my list.

2086
01:24:14.159 --> 01:24:17.819
I actually I actually came up with a bottom 10 the other week, a

2087
01:24:17.819 --> 01:24:18.600
black orchid.

2088
01:24:18.899 --> 01:24:20.520
Number one.

2089
01:24:20.579 --> 01:24:23.640
With a bullet. hang on.

2090
01:24:23.699 --> 01:24:25.619
Is he wearing Missy's clasp?

2091
01:24:27.000 --> 01:24:29.159
He was missing all along.

2092
01:24:29.340 --> 01:24:31.859
Listeners, I apologise.

2093
01:24:31.920 --> 01:24:33.300
You're about to hear me eat a cookie.

2094
01:24:33.359 --> 01:24:34.319
Carry on, Richard.

2095
01:24:34.739 --> 01:24:36.479
You want to hear this?

2096
01:24:36.659 --> 01:24:37.859
Holy.

2097
01:24:41.100 --> 01:24:44.819
How are we feeling about... slower progress.

2098
01:24:45.300 --> 01:24:50.640
But no one is, no one is breaking the rules here or the 4th wall

2099
01:24:50.640 --> 01:24:51.479
or the tension.

2100
01:24:51.539 --> 01:24:55.560
I, I, I'm thoroughly believing all of this code because, my God.

2101
01:24:55.680 --> 01:24:58.199
Milton Johns is just a monster, isn't he?

2102
01:24:58.380 --> 01:25:01.199
It's a strange performance too, isn't it?

2103
01:25:01.260 --> 01:25:04.199
I think it's the most believable in the whole in the whole lot of

2104
01:25:04.199 --> 01:25:04.380
them.

2105
01:25:04.619 --> 01:25:07.859
Even more so than Perth. here we go.

2106
01:25:07.920 --> 01:25:12.180
Now suddenly the story's going to take a sort of crazy, crazy left

2107
01:25:12.180 --> 01:25:12.659
turn.

2108
01:25:12.779 --> 01:25:17.039
But I do like that the people are always encased in this, in this

2109
01:25:17.039 --> 01:25:22.260
case, in us, you know, lovely big thermo mixer with a monitor on

2110
01:25:22.260 --> 01:25:22.439
it.

2111
01:25:22.500 --> 01:25:25.979
Yeah, this is gorgeous too, and he's got them right under the

2112
01:25:25.979 --> 01:25:26.460
office.

2113
01:25:26.579 --> 01:25:27.300
It's superb.

2114
01:25:27.359 --> 01:25:32.279
The reconstruction of this, and the woman's name always escapes me

2115
01:25:32.279 --> 01:25:32.699
unfortunately.

2116
01:25:32.760 --> 01:25:36.239
She's a great computer animator.

2117
01:25:36.300 --> 01:25:39.000
She does the cybermen stuff for the wheel in space

2118
01:25:39.000 --> 01:25:39.600
reconstruction.

2119
01:25:39.659 --> 01:25:40.979
We were talking about that before.

2120
01:25:41.039 --> 01:25:41.699
It's really good.

2121
01:25:41.760 --> 01:25:45.720
But for this, because we've got all this waiting for this pod to

2122
01:25:45.720 --> 01:25:45.960
come out.

2123
01:25:46.020 --> 01:25:49.739
She does this amazing animation where salamander's getting

2124
01:25:49.739 --> 01:25:53.520
impatient and tapping his foot and pacing about because there's

2125
01:25:53.520 --> 01:25:55.199
very little visual reference for this scene.

2126
01:25:55.260 --> 01:25:58.500
And then when we get it, it's just bloody Patrick Troughton

2127
01:25:58.500 --> 01:26:00.000
standing on the spot. like, come on, Pat.

2128
01:26:00.600 --> 01:26:03.239
Is this from the reconstruction?

2129
01:26:03.300 --> 01:26:03.720
Yes.

2130
01:26:04.020 --> 01:26:05.520
Oh, really?

2131
01:26:05.579 --> 01:26:06.960
Do you know, I don't think I've ever seen them.

2132
01:26:07.020 --> 01:26:10.260
I think the 1st time I saw it was after this, you know, it was

2133
01:26:10.260 --> 01:26:10.560
fun.

2134
01:26:10.560 --> 01:26:13.859
As I say, I forget her name, but she's the one who did the wheel

2135
01:26:13.859 --> 01:26:16.920
in space and did that wonderful alien inspired trailer using all

2136
01:26:16.920 --> 01:26:18.779
her animations for the wheel in space.

2137
01:26:18.840 --> 01:26:19.500
Yeah, terribly good.

2138
01:26:19.500 --> 01:26:22.140
They were gorgeous, yes.

2139
01:26:22.199 --> 01:26:24.300
Oh, no, that is fantastic.

2140
01:26:24.359 --> 01:26:24.840
Look at that.

2141
01:26:24.899 --> 01:26:26.579
And there's a great model shot?

2142
01:26:26.640 --> 01:26:27.359
Is it a model shot?

2143
01:26:27.420 --> 01:26:28.560
Yeah, there's a model shot coming up.

2144
01:26:29.520 --> 01:26:32.460
Oh, Patrick's holding on for dear life.

2145
01:26:32.939 --> 01:26:36.720
Honda bird does he get ejected into?

2146
01:26:36.779 --> 01:26:38.520
Thunderbird Swan?

2147
01:26:38.579 --> 01:26:39.659
Meanwhile, on film.

2148
01:26:40.079 --> 01:26:43.140
Oh, isn't that awesome?

2149
01:26:43.199 --> 01:26:44.579
Yeah. wonderful.

2150
01:26:45.000 --> 01:26:47.640
Oh, it's virtual. all the time.

2151
01:26:48.960 --> 01:26:51.659
No, that really is very impressive.

2152
01:26:51.779 --> 01:26:54.539
Well, of course, this was the year after Thunderbirds.

2153
01:26:55.439 --> 01:26:57.119
The movie, yes.

2154
01:26:57.180 --> 01:26:57.659
Yeah, yeah.

2155
01:26:57.720 --> 01:27:01.500
Yeah, and I think this was the same year as Thunderbird 6, 1968.

2156
01:27:01.619 --> 01:27:02.699
Yeah, which no one ever saw.

2157
01:27:02.699 --> 01:27:04.199
Because we're in 1968 now.

2158
01:27:04.260 --> 01:27:05.100
Ever.

2159
01:27:06.359 --> 01:27:10.319
Rod loves Thunderbirds, and he hates the end of Thunderbirds 6

2160
01:27:10.380 --> 01:27:11.460
everyone does.

2161
01:27:11.520 --> 01:27:13.560
It was a biplane all the time.

2162
01:27:13.619 --> 01:27:16.140
Has nobody actually ever...

2163
01:27:16.140 --> 01:27:19.199
Questioned this before.

2164
01:27:19.260 --> 01:27:22.260
Like, you know, obviously some Amanda goes down his little chute

2165
01:27:22.260 --> 01:27:23.100
quite often.

2166
01:27:23.159 --> 01:27:26.819
But then all these people are something around here going, well

2167
01:27:26.819 --> 01:27:27.420
can I see him?

2168
01:27:27.479 --> 01:27:28.079
No, I can't.

2169
01:27:28.140 --> 01:27:32.039
Like, where have they been for the last?

2170
01:27:32.100 --> 01:27:35.460
It just gives them a nice opportunity to tweet from his phone, you

2171
01:27:35.460 --> 01:27:35.699
see.

2172
01:27:35.760 --> 01:27:37.500
Yeah, something sensible.

2173
01:27:38.039 --> 01:27:39.659
Oh, okay.

2174
01:27:39.720 --> 01:27:40.199
Yeah.

2175
01:27:40.199 --> 01:27:43.800
This is, I think, Sandoval was touching on the, this, the, the

2176
01:27:43.800 --> 01:27:45.840
people down there are the listeners.

2177
01:27:45.960 --> 01:27:47.939
And if you want to look at it politically, the boaters.

2178
01:27:47.939 --> 01:27:49.979
Yeah, they're English people, aren't they?

2179
01:27:50.039 --> 01:27:53.640
Just normally with a nice white folk from the sitcoms and we've

2180
01:27:53.640 --> 01:27:56.760
been thrown into this quasi bond film that's about, that's

2181
01:27:56.760 --> 01:28:01.920
actually upstairs is about the, you know, the ostensible reality

2182
01:28:01.920 --> 01:28:06.239
but the reality of the viewer, other people in the bunker

2183
01:28:06.239 --> 01:28:09.779
downstairs being fed dross and believing everything they're told.

2184
01:28:09.840 --> 01:28:11.039
It's so strange.

2185
01:28:11.100 --> 01:28:12.479
Bowie song, isn't it?

2186
01:28:12.539 --> 01:28:14.279
Full Bowie.

2187
01:28:14.340 --> 01:28:15.659
I love this set too.

2188
01:28:15.720 --> 01:28:17.399
Oh, no, that's what we need.

2189
01:28:17.460 --> 01:28:18.840
Dalek bump wallpaper.

2190
01:28:18.899 --> 01:28:21.539
Yes, they're etheric beam locations, apparently.

2191
01:28:21.600 --> 01:28:23.399
And now he has a 3rd hairstyle.

2192
01:28:24.539 --> 01:28:26.340
And outfit.

2193
01:28:26.760 --> 01:28:31.680
I suppose maybe the reason Pat enjoyed doing this so much, even

2194
01:28:31.680 --> 01:28:32.520
though he was so tired.

2195
01:28:32.579 --> 01:28:36.060
Remember, when he became the doctor, he actually wanted to play

2196
01:28:36.060 --> 01:28:40.859
him, even, yeah, there's the blacked up idea he had, but even when

2197
01:28:40.859 --> 01:28:44.039
that was vetoed, he still said, you know, heavy makeup, fake

2198
01:28:44.039 --> 01:28:49.319
moustaches, fake eyebrows, he loved disguising himself the less

2199
01:28:49.319 --> 01:28:50.760
that would get him recognised the better.

2200
01:28:50.819 --> 01:28:51.840
By his other wives.

2201
01:28:51.899 --> 01:28:55.500
Now, this guy here has been in Doctor Who after this.

2202
01:28:55.560 --> 01:28:57.659
Yes, he's in Terror of the Autons.

2203
01:28:57.720 --> 01:28:58.439
Professor Phillips?

2204
01:28:58.500 --> 01:29:00.539
Ah, Goodjin Phillips, RFC.

2205
01:29:00.539 --> 01:29:02.100
Barry Letts, yes, re-employed them.

2206
01:29:02.159 --> 01:29:04.380
And he's in Planet of the Spiders.

2207
01:29:04.439 --> 01:29:06.060
He's Lupton's officer.

2208
01:29:06.180 --> 01:29:10.500
Oh, yes, of course, that wonderful guy who, when Lupton has his

2209
01:29:10.500 --> 01:29:13.619
big rant about everything he wants, he says, I just want peace of

2210
01:29:13.619 --> 01:29:13.800
mind.

2211
01:29:14.220 --> 01:29:16.500
Here they are. stupid.

2212
01:29:16.560 --> 01:29:18.539
The dynamic duo destroying.

2213
01:29:18.600 --> 01:29:19.319
What's that?

2214
01:29:19.319 --> 01:29:20.760
Poland and Bloody Mary.

2215
01:29:20.819 --> 01:29:22.079
Colin Mary, bless you.

2216
01:29:22.140 --> 01:29:22.920
Oh, he's fantastic.

2217
01:29:22.979 --> 01:29:24.539
The gentleman right here.

2218
01:29:24.600 --> 01:29:27.479
Colin, also a big chair. of time.

2219
01:29:27.539 --> 01:29:31.140
That's how people call Colin Speak in Doctor Who, if you've seen

2220
01:29:31.140 --> 01:29:32.100
Arc of Infinity.

2221
01:29:33.300 --> 01:29:36.180
Did you say he's an invasion of time, Richard?

2222
01:29:36.300 --> 01:29:38.460
Yes, he plays the deck chair beside the title.

2223
01:29:41.220 --> 01:29:43.020
That's fantastic.

2224
01:29:43.020 --> 01:29:47.760
Oh, go away to see the sun...

2225
01:29:47.819 --> 01:29:49.380
You know who these two?

2226
01:29:49.380 --> 01:29:50.220
Mary, Mary.

2227
01:29:50.279 --> 01:29:51.420
That's the splash shot.

2228
01:29:51.479 --> 01:29:52.859
Leonard, I'm not going to leave you.

2229
01:29:52.920 --> 01:29:53.220
Sorry.

2230
01:29:53.819 --> 01:29:59.939
These 2 retroactively remind me of the Armageddon factor.

2231
01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:00.720
Men out there.

2232
01:30:00.779 --> 01:30:02.939
Young men are dying for it.

2233
01:30:03.000 --> 01:30:03.479
Exactly.

2234
01:30:04.260 --> 01:30:08.880
Binky Huckabatch. and Dame Celia Maltstrangle.

2235
01:30:09.359 --> 01:30:10.859
Who are these actors, by the way?

2236
01:30:10.920 --> 01:30:11.220
Do you know?

2237
01:30:11.279 --> 01:30:11.640
Do we know?

2238
01:30:11.699 --> 01:30:16.920
Yes, so this actor on screen right now is...

2239
01:30:18.479 --> 01:30:20.520
Christopher Burgess.

2240
01:30:20.579 --> 01:30:21.060
That's it.

2241
01:30:21.119 --> 01:30:26.460
And he, he passed away not long after, um, Biss.

2242
01:30:26.520 --> 01:30:30.000
Not long. not long after the story was recovered.

2243
01:30:30.060 --> 01:30:33.659
I think when the recovery was announced, I should say, because I

2244
01:30:33.659 --> 01:30:34.739
remember.

2245
01:30:34.800 --> 01:30:37.859
It sort of came it came out about a month before we recorded our

2246
01:30:37.859 --> 01:30:40.739
podcast and he passed away between for 2 days.

2247
01:30:40.859 --> 01:30:43.920
Colin is played by Adam Verney.

2248
01:30:43.979 --> 01:30:46.859
And Mary is played by Margaret Hickey.

2249
01:30:48.720 --> 01:30:50.939
Vernie and Hickey.

2250
01:30:51.119 --> 01:30:52.800
You know what?

2251
01:30:52.859 --> 01:30:54.060
I am gonna journey.

2252
01:30:54.119 --> 01:30:56.279
Isn't that a name of like Tegan's grandfather?

2253
01:30:56.340 --> 01:30:57.600
Yes, all the time.

2254
01:30:57.659 --> 01:30:59.699
Well, maybe related to Tegan.

2255
01:31:00.119 --> 01:31:04.680
But then he's mysteriously disappeared, another one of her

2256
01:31:04.680 --> 01:31:04.979
problems.

2257
01:31:05.039 --> 01:31:08.640
That's why this is perfect because they are playing the John and

2258
01:31:08.640 --> 01:31:10.619
Marcia characters from all the soaps.

2259
01:31:10.680 --> 01:31:11.880
That's why she's called Mary.

2260
01:31:11.939 --> 01:31:12.779
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2261
01:31:12.779 --> 01:31:14.939
It's the most generic kind of name they can imagine.

2262
01:31:15.000 --> 01:31:17.640
I do love that they're wearing sort of hilarious.

2263
01:31:17.760 --> 01:31:19.079
Where else did we have these?

2264
01:31:19.140 --> 01:31:21.420
Was it ice Warriors that everyone's wearing these?

2265
01:31:21.479 --> 01:31:22.739
Resort futurology?

2266
01:31:22.739 --> 01:31:23.159
Yeah, yeah.

2267
01:31:23.220 --> 01:31:26.159
So Adam Verney, who is Colin...

2268
01:31:26.220 --> 01:31:27.180
Oh, thank goodness.

2269
01:31:27.420 --> 01:31:28.319
Kool-Aid.

2270
01:31:28.979 --> 01:31:34.560
As 10 credits to his name, including 3 episodes of Doctor in the

2271
01:31:34.560 --> 01:31:34.859
House.

2272
01:31:34.920 --> 01:31:36.300
I love that show.

2273
01:31:36.359 --> 01:31:40.020
I think we should all dress in these outfits for next Mardi Gras

2274
01:31:40.020 --> 01:31:40.319
actually.

2275
01:31:40.380 --> 01:31:41.279
Well, Brendan does anyway.

2276
01:31:41.340 --> 01:31:43.680
I didn't know as the files were coming back.

2277
01:31:44.880 --> 01:31:49.380
And as for Margaret Hickey, let's look her up on internet movie

2278
01:31:49.380 --> 01:31:51.899
database, because the funny thing is sometimes these...

2279
01:31:51.899 --> 01:31:52.979
Please don't tell me they acted again.

2280
01:31:53.039 --> 01:31:56.159
Yeah, the next suck was named after her.

2281
01:31:56.220 --> 01:32:01.920
She had a pretty brutal career. at least as far as the rest of the

2282
01:32:01.920 --> 01:32:02.640
cast were concerned.

2283
01:32:02.699 --> 01:32:04.560
Okay, Margaret Hickey.

2284
01:32:04.619 --> 01:32:07.920
It was like when we found out that Kendron was in a bond film.

2285
01:32:08.039 --> 01:32:09.840
Kendron.

2286
01:32:09.899 --> 01:32:10.380
Oh, God.

2287
01:32:10.380 --> 01:32:13.140
So Adam Verney has 10 credits to his name.

2288
01:32:13.199 --> 01:32:15.000
Margaret Hickey has won.

2289
01:32:15.119 --> 01:32:17.699
Oh, this is her...

2290
01:32:17.760 --> 01:32:19.619
And what did she do after that?

2291
01:32:19.680 --> 01:32:22.439
She became a brain surgeon or something, an astronaut, possibly.

2292
01:32:22.500 --> 01:32:23.340
Let's find out.

2293
01:32:23.399 --> 01:32:25.979
Actually, I think she's...

2294
01:32:26.039 --> 01:32:29.399
She reminds me of that girl off the Harry Potter movies, the...

2295
01:32:29.460 --> 01:32:30.420
Luna Lovegood.

2296
01:32:30.479 --> 01:32:30.840
Yes.

2297
01:32:30.899 --> 01:32:32.159
She does.

2298
01:32:32.220 --> 01:32:33.840
Or anyone on Crystal Myth.

2299
01:32:33.899 --> 01:32:38.579
Maybe she was cryogenically frozen until like 2007.

2300
01:32:38.760 --> 01:32:39.899
I love that.

2301
01:32:39.899 --> 01:32:43.140
Margaret Hickey was an actress known for Doctor Who.

2302
01:32:43.199 --> 01:32:44.939
She died on June the 1st, 2010.

2303
01:32:45.060 --> 01:32:47.220
Oh, that's it.

2304
01:32:47.279 --> 01:32:47.819
That's it.

2305
01:32:47.819 --> 01:32:49.500
That's the extent.

2306
01:32:49.500 --> 01:32:50.640
I think it's time we added...

2307
01:32:50.640 --> 01:32:51.659
A full an event for life.

2308
01:32:51.960 --> 01:32:53.399
Come on.

2309
01:32:53.880 --> 01:32:54.899
Write in with your suggestions.

2310
01:32:54.899 --> 01:32:57.300
I'm editing IMDb as we speak.

2311
01:32:57.359 --> 01:33:02.699
Todd, B or B thinks, she's awful.

2312
01:33:02.819 --> 01:33:04.500
Brilliant.

2313
01:33:06.180 --> 01:33:08.880
We could have a hashtag, couldn't we?

2314
01:33:08.939 --> 01:33:10.079
I've got Vernie's career.

2315
01:33:10.380 --> 01:33:12.359
Margaret Hickey's career.

2316
01:33:12.420 --> 01:33:15.840
Do you think any of our dear descended relatives on any...

2317
01:33:15.899 --> 01:33:18.239
Oh, this is the family will be listening to this when we've all

2318
01:33:18.239 --> 01:33:20.399
carved it and go, oh, gee, that would have such a legacy.

2319
01:33:20.460 --> 01:33:22.739
No, Bruce Forsyte was in this.

2320
01:33:24.119 --> 01:33:27.420
I think the potential for us having descendants is very low.

2321
01:33:27.479 --> 01:33:29.340
Well, I was saying relatives.

2322
01:33:29.760 --> 01:33:32.100
That's actually not a bad thing.

2323
01:33:33.539 --> 01:33:38.340
I mean, I'm sorry, like all those old men, like as if they're

2324
01:33:38.340 --> 01:33:39.539
going to repopulate the air.

2325
01:33:39.600 --> 01:33:42.659
Like, you know, they all need to be Collins.

2326
01:33:42.779 --> 01:33:48.239
Well, actually, it looks like the oldest woman there is about 40.

2327
01:33:48.479 --> 01:33:50.819
So it's it's the whole Donald and Ivanka thing.

2328
01:33:51.180 --> 01:33:52.739
Do you think?

2329
01:33:52.800 --> 01:33:54.539
Oh, wait, sorry, Melania.

2330
01:33:54.659 --> 01:33:56.460
No, you meant his daughter, the one that he says.

2331
01:33:56.520 --> 01:33:57.539
Actually, yeah, fair enough.

2332
01:33:59.760 --> 01:34:01.859
I'm just going have a wank.

2333
01:34:04.260 --> 01:34:06.060
Salamander.

2334
01:34:06.119 --> 01:34:07.140
They're used to it though.

2335
01:34:07.199 --> 01:34:09.659
Jana Panda was a dishonour.

2336
01:34:10.560 --> 01:34:15.180
The designer of this was Martin Martin Bo or Martin Boff?

2337
01:34:15.239 --> 01:34:16.380
how that pronounced.

2338
01:34:16.439 --> 01:34:19.199
But he does the ice Warriors as well with their psychedelic

2339
01:34:19.199 --> 01:34:19.619
outfits.

2340
01:34:19.680 --> 01:34:21.060
He does quite a few pats.

2341
01:34:21.119 --> 01:34:22.140
I love this.

2342
01:34:22.199 --> 01:34:23.520
He's just off and away on a cigar.

2343
01:34:23.579 --> 01:34:25.560
No, but he said it was.

2344
01:34:25.619 --> 01:34:27.000
It's a thing.

2345
01:34:27.060 --> 01:34:29.039
It's a it's a chiquito.

2346
01:34:29.100 --> 01:34:30.060
No bad happens here.

2347
01:34:30.119 --> 01:34:35.579
You can actually see him being in a bar like with a drink and a

2348
01:34:35.579 --> 01:34:36.840
cigar in real life, can't you?

2349
01:34:37.020 --> 01:34:38.399
Yeah.

2350
01:34:38.399 --> 01:34:38.939
Oh, yeah.

2351
01:34:39.300 --> 01:34:42.779
Oh, wonderful Astrid's doing his makeup.

2352
01:34:44.819 --> 01:34:47.279
Turning him into a monoid.

2353
01:34:47.520 --> 01:34:49.800
It's Eric Saywood.

2354
01:34:49.800 --> 01:34:53.399
Do you look like a spotlight photo, dude?

2355
01:34:54.420 --> 01:35:00.420
The thing, for motivation, Pat did actually look through his old

2356
01:35:00.420 --> 01:35:03.180
spotlight photos and said to the makeup designer, make me look

2357
01:35:03.180 --> 01:35:06.300
like this because he's like salamander is young and vital.

2358
01:35:06.359 --> 01:35:07.680
And oh, Cliffhanger.

2359
01:35:07.739 --> 01:35:10.140
Is that the 1st time it's got slash salamander?

2360
01:35:10.140 --> 01:35:12.180
Yeah, the ones that just says...

2361
01:35:12.239 --> 01:35:12.659
Yeah.

2362
01:35:12.720 --> 01:35:13.260
Yeah.

2363
01:35:14.220 --> 01:35:18.779
But yeah, Pat did look through his 50s photos and found one.

2364
01:35:18.840 --> 01:35:22.859
I think from when he was doing Shakespeare, where he had like a

2365
01:35:22.859 --> 01:35:25.319
bit of, not blacked up, but a bit of tang.

2366
01:35:25.380 --> 01:35:27.659
And he said, here's the one.

2367
01:35:27.779 --> 01:35:29.699
Margaret, we love you, Margaret.

2368
01:35:29.760 --> 01:35:31.199
Me too.

2369
01:35:31.260 --> 01:35:32.640
Margaret.

2370
01:35:33.300 --> 01:35:35.460
Not back next week after.

2371
01:35:35.520 --> 01:35:36.779
Christopher Pem soul, yes.

2372
01:35:36.840 --> 01:35:39.000
Salamander's come down the chute, Margaret.

2373
01:35:39.060 --> 01:35:40.079
Margaret.

2374
01:35:40.079 --> 01:35:42.239
George and Margaret.

2375
01:35:42.300 --> 01:35:45.060
I heard they're going to be in the new series.

2376
01:35:45.119 --> 01:35:48.420
Colin and Mary this season coming.

2377
01:35:51.479 --> 01:35:52.560
Here we go again.

2378
01:35:52.619 --> 01:35:53.520
Episode 5.

2379
01:35:54.840 --> 01:35:59.760
I'm sorry, they always look like claws like opening. gorgeous

2380
01:35:59.760 --> 01:36:00.119
isn't it?

2381
01:36:00.180 --> 01:36:02.520
No, I just think that was the listener's reaction.

2382
01:36:02.579 --> 01:36:06.300
I'm so glad we've all reached a consolidation to only do 6

2383
01:36:06.300 --> 01:36:06.840
partners.

2384
01:36:10.619 --> 01:36:13.680
So the Pete one is going to be Black Orchid.

2385
01:36:13.739 --> 01:36:14.579
Are you excited?

2386
01:36:14.640 --> 01:36:17.640
Oh, none of you are going to get a word in Edgway.

2387
01:36:18.060 --> 01:36:20.340
You know that thing I did?

2388
01:36:20.340 --> 01:36:21.300
We've already done a Pete one.

2389
01:36:21.359 --> 01:36:24.539
Well, yeah, we did 5 doctors, but we're going to do a proper Pete

2390
01:36:24.539 --> 01:36:24.899
one.

2391
01:36:25.500 --> 01:36:27.539
Okay, black orchid.

2392
01:36:29.100 --> 01:36:30.840
What's the other one?

2393
01:36:30.899 --> 01:36:31.800
I just realised this...

2394
01:36:31.800 --> 01:36:32.340
Things demons.

2395
01:36:32.340 --> 01:36:33.539
See the other ones for nominating.

2396
01:36:33.600 --> 01:36:34.260
All 3 of them.

2397
01:36:34.319 --> 01:36:38.100
There's, I just, I just realised there's no rules to say you can't

2398
01:36:38.100 --> 01:36:39.779
all nominate Black Hawk.

2399
01:36:40.140 --> 01:36:41.880
That'd be fun.

2400
01:36:43.680 --> 01:36:46.439
No, that is actually my official choice.

2401
01:36:46.560 --> 01:36:49.380
Is the 3 two-parters back to back.

2402
01:36:52.439 --> 01:36:54.840
Yeah, my official choice is season 20.

2403
01:36:59.159 --> 01:37:02.039
We can have a running body count, Todd, and we can go, oh, he's

2404
01:37:02.039 --> 01:37:02.220
dead.

2405
01:37:02.279 --> 01:37:03.600
Oh no, he's alive. zero.

2406
01:37:03.600 --> 01:37:04.260
Still zero.

2407
01:37:04.380 --> 01:37:04.800
Shit.

2408
01:37:04.920 --> 01:37:08.819
No, we'll just watch Arc of Infinity full-time, though.

2409
01:37:09.960 --> 01:37:12.539
There is a New Zealand podcast.

2410
01:37:12.600 --> 01:37:16.140
I think it's called the worst idea in the world where they do a

2411
01:37:16.140 --> 01:37:19.079
podcast on the same movie every week, but I can't remember the

2412
01:37:19.079 --> 01:37:19.439
movie.

2413
01:37:19.500 --> 01:37:21.479
They mentioned it on the flop house.

2414
01:37:21.539 --> 01:37:23.159
It's like one bad movie.

2415
01:37:23.220 --> 01:37:25.140
Hold on. just look it up.

2416
01:37:25.199 --> 01:37:26.939
It's called the worst the worst idea in the world.

2417
01:37:27.000 --> 01:37:29.399
That's ridiculous. couldn't possibly do that.

2418
01:37:32.279 --> 01:37:33.720
Why?

2419
01:37:33.720 --> 01:37:34.560
Look at Pat.

2420
01:37:34.560 --> 01:37:36.239
Dressed to salamander.

2421
01:37:36.840 --> 01:37:38.939
That's gorgeous, isn't it?

2422
01:37:39.000 --> 01:37:40.979
And again, he's measuring his own meta.

2423
01:37:41.039 --> 01:37:41.880
Wonderful.

2424
01:37:42.239 --> 01:37:45.840
As Mary Pete showing that her jawline is still bigger than a

2425
01:37:45.840 --> 01:37:46.140
week.

2426
01:37:46.199 --> 01:37:48.840
And her collar, actually. sticking out.

2427
01:37:48.899 --> 01:37:49.619
There it is.

2428
01:37:49.680 --> 01:37:50.640
And this is what episode five.

2429
01:37:50.699 --> 01:37:51.659
So she wasn't going to be in this.

2430
01:37:51.720 --> 01:37:56.520
Yeah, so I imagine that Kent in the original draft just brought

2431
01:37:56.520 --> 01:37:57.180
him there alone.

2432
01:37:57.239 --> 01:37:57.899
Right.

2433
01:37:57.899 --> 01:38:01.079
Would she have been killed off in that room?

2434
01:38:01.140 --> 01:38:01.800
Yes.

2435
01:38:01.859 --> 01:38:06.239
No, she, according to, according to Barry and Mary, in the

2436
01:38:06.239 --> 01:38:07.619
original script, she just disappears.

2437
01:38:07.680 --> 01:38:09.659
Like, it's like, you go off and do this.

2438
01:38:09.720 --> 01:38:14.460
Oh, they do that, don't they, in the war games with lady, whatever

2439
01:38:14.460 --> 01:38:14.819
name is?

2440
01:38:14.939 --> 01:38:16.920
Yeah, Lady Jennifer Buckingham, who's wonderful.

2441
01:38:16.979 --> 01:38:18.300
I miss her terribly.

2442
01:38:18.359 --> 01:38:20.640
Even now I wish that she would be in things.

2443
01:38:20.699 --> 01:38:21.720
She's running for the green.

2444
01:38:21.779 --> 01:38:22.500
How did we do?

2445
01:38:22.560 --> 01:38:24.659
Why didn't we do the war games?

2446
01:38:24.720 --> 01:38:26.579
We didn't nominate that, did we?

2447
01:38:26.640 --> 01:38:27.180
No.

2448
01:38:27.239 --> 01:38:28.560
I did suggest.

2449
01:38:29.279 --> 01:38:33.960
You know, I actually really like this scene because I think Bruce

2450
01:38:33.960 --> 01:38:34.920
is terrific.

2451
01:38:34.979 --> 01:38:38.640
You know, just that Bruce is another one of those characters like

2452
01:38:38.640 --> 01:38:46.439
Cree Song in, um, the, abominable snowman, where he seems like a

2453
01:38:46.439 --> 01:38:50.760
sort of harsh, um, inflexible, horrible character, but ends up

2454
01:38:50.760 --> 01:38:53.220
being very kind of honourable and sensible.

2455
01:38:53.279 --> 01:38:56.520
And in fact, the kind of the kind of figure that children really

2456
01:38:56.520 --> 01:39:01.800
do gravitate to because they are, there is an air of authority and

2457
01:39:01.800 --> 01:39:03.539
predictability and rationality.

2458
01:39:03.600 --> 01:39:07.680
So in fact, they do become the moral centre of drama.

2459
01:39:07.739 --> 01:39:09.180
It is interesting.

2460
01:39:10.979 --> 01:39:16.739
He's painted as a bad guy at the beginning, but it all shifts.

2461
01:39:16.800 --> 01:39:20.640
Yeah, yeah, he's the marginalia of reason in this.

2462
01:39:20.699 --> 01:39:24.239
Everyone else is flying off centre, but he's the centre of the

2463
01:39:24.239 --> 01:39:24.659
flower.

2464
01:39:24.720 --> 01:39:29.220
We also, um, said that about Brazen as well, in Brontios.

2465
01:39:29.699 --> 01:39:32.220
Yeah, season seems like a horrible person, but...

2466
01:39:32.520 --> 01:39:33.960
Oh, she's got the more teen can now.

2467
01:39:34.020 --> 01:39:34.920
It's not going to go well.

2468
01:39:34.979 --> 01:39:36.359
He's not impressed.

2469
01:39:36.539 --> 01:39:38.699
It's a Colin Baker look.

2470
01:39:38.939 --> 01:39:41.399
So the worst idea of all time.

2471
01:39:41.460 --> 01:39:42.479
Yes.

2472
01:39:42.479 --> 01:39:45.119
They're up to their 3rd year.

2473
01:39:45.180 --> 01:39:46.680
So they watch the same movie.

2474
01:39:46.739 --> 01:39:49.380
Hey, Jamie and Victoria back from holiday there, but they're still

2475
01:39:49.380 --> 01:39:50.939
asleep, the lazy buggers.

2476
01:39:51.000 --> 01:39:55.260
They watch the same week, the same movie once a week for 52 weeks

2477
01:39:55.260 --> 01:39:56.819
and do a weekly podcast.

2478
01:39:56.880 --> 01:39:58.140
So they've done grown-ups too.

2479
01:39:58.199 --> 01:39:58.800
What's that?

2480
01:39:58.800 --> 01:40:01.680
Seth Rogan.

2481
01:40:01.739 --> 01:40:05.399
I think, kind of new...

2482
01:40:05.399 --> 01:40:06.300
Bro comedy.

2483
01:40:06.359 --> 01:40:07.680
Sex and the City 2.

2484
01:40:07.859 --> 01:40:10.800
They've done for 52 weeks and they're currently in the middle of

2485
01:40:10.800 --> 01:40:13.920
doing a film called We Are Your Friends, which I don't know about

2486
01:40:13.920 --> 01:40:15.600
but I think it might have Tina Fey in it.

2487
01:40:15.960 --> 01:40:20.039
Well, please never, ever get the idea that we're going to watch

2488
01:40:20.039 --> 01:40:21.359
the same doctor.

2489
01:40:21.420 --> 01:40:22.380
What would it be?

2490
01:40:22.979 --> 01:40:23.699
What would it be?

2491
01:40:24.359 --> 01:40:25.199
The twin dilemma.

2492
01:40:25.260 --> 01:40:27.659
Even I will veto that.

2493
01:40:27.720 --> 01:40:29.100
Black Orchid.

2494
01:40:29.159 --> 01:40:30.779
Well, at least...

2495
01:40:30.779 --> 01:40:32.220
The trial of a timelord.

2496
01:40:32.699 --> 01:40:36.180
Yeah, I'd have to give up my job though, I think, probably.

2497
01:40:36.239 --> 01:40:37.859
Oh dear.

2498
01:40:37.920 --> 01:40:39.119
Oh, no.

2499
01:40:39.180 --> 01:40:42.119
No, to be, um, what's that story?

2500
01:40:42.180 --> 01:40:42.659
I can't stand.

2501
01:40:42.779 --> 01:40:44.220
Season 24.

2502
01:40:44.399 --> 01:40:46.500
Delta and the Banner.

2503
01:40:46.500 --> 01:40:46.739
Correct.

2504
01:40:46.739 --> 01:40:47.939
That would be...

2505
01:40:48.000 --> 01:40:50.159
I've watched you enjoying Delta.

2506
01:40:50.220 --> 01:40:52.680
You say that every time, Nathan, and I refuse to believe that I

2507
01:40:52.680 --> 01:40:53.520
ever liked any of it.

2508
01:40:53.579 --> 01:40:55.380
And the good thing is, you're not going to be on that episode.

2509
01:40:55.439 --> 01:40:56.220
So we can say it again.

2510
01:40:56.699 --> 01:41:01.319
No, but earlier on, when we were talking about how serious Milton

2511
01:41:01.319 --> 01:41:04.800
John's is Bennick, he actually kind of reminds me of Gavrock from

2512
01:41:04.800 --> 01:41:07.260
Delta and the Batman, because Gav...

2513
01:41:07.260 --> 01:41:08.640
This is a gorgeous moment.

2514
01:41:10.020 --> 01:41:13.199
And that to me is what the doctor's always about.

2515
01:41:13.260 --> 01:41:14.939
Hand them back their instruments.

2516
01:41:15.000 --> 01:41:17.579
And it's really good when Pete does it as well.

2517
01:41:17.640 --> 01:41:22.380
Don Henderson as Gavrock plays it so deadly straight that you

2518
01:41:22.380 --> 01:41:25.680
believe in him as a villain when it's quite frankly a ridiculous

2519
01:41:25.680 --> 01:41:26.760
but enjoyable the rest.

2520
01:41:26.819 --> 01:41:27.659
The rest of it's a cartoon.

2521
01:41:27.720 --> 01:41:28.020
Yeah.

2522
01:41:28.079 --> 01:41:29.159
This...

2523
01:41:29.159 --> 01:41:30.359
It does look like...

2524
01:41:30.420 --> 01:41:32.760
It's a James Bond romp.

2525
01:41:32.819 --> 01:41:35.939
And as we've discussed on Bondfinger, it's okay to have comedy in

2526
01:41:35.939 --> 01:41:38.819
Bond films, but you have to have the villain being serious.

2527
01:41:38.880 --> 01:41:43.199
It's the, yeah, it's the whole abfab season one to the rest of the

2528
01:41:43.199 --> 01:41:43.800
series thing.

2529
01:41:43.859 --> 01:41:45.960
You have to believe in your own characters or the whole thing

2530
01:41:45.960 --> 01:41:46.619
falls apart.

2531
01:41:46.680 --> 01:41:49.859
So the whole thing can be a fast, but you must believe in your own

2532
01:41:49.859 --> 01:41:50.340
performance.

2533
01:41:50.399 --> 01:41:51.180
Yeah.

2534
01:41:51.180 --> 01:41:52.739
And, and, and...

2535
01:41:52.800 --> 01:41:54.899
And the lovely thing, Billy and Pat.

2536
01:41:54.899 --> 01:42:00.720
And John, well, John up to a certain point, always held to that.

2537
01:42:00.779 --> 01:42:01.380
Tom didn't.

2538
01:42:01.500 --> 01:42:02.039
No.

2539
01:42:02.819 --> 01:42:06.000
And I don't think Pete does all the time as well because we've

2540
01:42:06.000 --> 01:42:06.779
discussed that...

2541
01:42:06.840 --> 01:42:09.239
Yeah, I think I was going to say after Tom, the rules all go out

2542
01:42:09.239 --> 01:42:12.720
of the... anyway, but I think I think Colin does.

2543
01:42:12.840 --> 01:42:17.100
Colin stays very true to his performance and Sylvester, once he

2544
01:42:17.100 --> 01:42:19.920
figures out what his performance is, tries to as well.

2545
01:42:19.979 --> 01:42:22.140
I think this will be an interesting discussion for the end of the

2546
01:42:22.140 --> 01:42:25.560
podcast series. which I know the listeners are waiting for with

2547
01:42:25.560 --> 01:42:26.460
Bait and Grey.

2548
01:42:26.939 --> 01:42:28.979
I watch that girl.

2549
01:42:29.039 --> 01:42:29.880
Oh yeah, go on.

2550
01:42:29.939 --> 01:42:30.600
Watch that girl.

2551
01:42:30.659 --> 01:42:35.220
It's um, it's, it could so easily be fast, but and it is fast, but

2552
01:42:35.220 --> 01:42:37.739
I love that they keep lampooning the fast with drama.

2553
01:42:37.800 --> 01:42:41.220
This is actually an inversion of the comedic trope.

2554
01:42:41.279 --> 01:42:42.420
Did we mention that yet?

2555
01:42:42.479 --> 01:42:46.140
But, yeah, no, a comedy celebrates itself as a comedy.

2556
01:42:46.199 --> 01:42:49.319
This is a drama celebrating itself as a drama by laughing at it.

2557
01:42:49.380 --> 01:42:52.319
Oh, these 2 Yeah, they are wonderful.

2558
01:42:52.380 --> 01:42:55.079
Didn't he actually, isn't isn't he also an axon?

2559
01:42:55.199 --> 01:42:57.659
No, no, that's not Bernard Holly.

2560
01:42:57.720 --> 01:43:00.479
No, he just feels sort of plastic.

2561
01:43:00.539 --> 01:43:02.520
Well, just, just, yeah.

2562
01:43:02.579 --> 01:43:05.340
If if you scrubble the gold off him.

2563
01:43:05.399 --> 01:43:08.819
Was that mail axe on ever in Doctor Who again?

2564
01:43:08.880 --> 01:43:09.779
Bernard Holly.

2565
01:43:09.840 --> 01:43:11.340
He had been in Doctor Who previously.

2566
01:43:11.399 --> 01:43:15.060
He, he, um, he is in Tomb of the Sidemen.

2567
01:43:15.119 --> 01:43:17.880
Yeah, he's a true artist because his buttocks follow you around

2568
01:43:17.880 --> 01:43:18.359
the screen.

2569
01:43:18.420 --> 01:43:20.699
There's some...

2570
01:43:20.760 --> 01:43:23.159
There's a rather charming DVD special feature.

2571
01:43:23.220 --> 01:43:25.079
I don't know which it is, but it's the one all about action

2572
01:43:25.079 --> 01:43:30.300
figures, and someone chose Bernard Holly, his axon action figure

2573
01:43:30.300 --> 01:43:34.619
and he is so chuffed that someone's made a toy of him.

2574
01:43:34.680 --> 01:43:36.600
Like, he's really just sweet and charming.

2575
01:43:36.659 --> 01:43:38.760
Oh, I had a good body then, didn't he?

2576
01:43:38.819 --> 01:43:40.680
He pretty much says that, yeah.

2577
01:43:42.060 --> 01:43:44.520
So who's preparing all this food?

2578
01:43:44.520 --> 01:43:45.960
Is it the guy in the kitchen?

2579
01:43:46.020 --> 01:43:46.739
Like, you know?

2580
01:43:46.800 --> 01:43:48.539
Is it Griffin?

2581
01:43:48.600 --> 01:43:49.680
to Australia?

2582
01:43:50.399 --> 01:43:54.720
No, but where does, like, Salamand has to organise all this

2583
01:43:54.720 --> 01:43:55.020
stuff.

2584
01:43:55.079 --> 01:43:55.920
He must have someone.

2585
01:43:56.460 --> 01:43:59.819
Well, I suppose he's just kind of sending him tinned peaches and

2586
01:43:59.819 --> 01:44:00.180
things.

2587
01:44:00.239 --> 01:44:03.600
So he, you know, he just gets a bulk by...

2588
01:44:03.659 --> 01:44:08.460
Yeah, we have Costco here now. sad face.

2589
01:44:11.520 --> 01:44:13.319
No, we think you are.

2590
01:44:15.119 --> 01:44:18.779
But I like that we, did you just say they didn't let people

2591
01:44:18.779 --> 01:44:19.380
think?

2592
01:44:19.439 --> 01:44:20.640
Yes, you do.

2593
01:44:20.640 --> 01:44:22.560
How prescient?

2594
01:44:22.619 --> 01:44:23.699
Sightless worms.

2595
01:44:23.699 --> 01:44:27.239
It's got to be intentional.

2596
01:44:27.300 --> 01:44:28.260
Of course it is.

2597
01:44:28.319 --> 01:44:30.899
Yeah, deliberately like wet and ridiculous.

2598
01:44:30.960 --> 01:44:33.539
See, I think this might be a little...

2599
01:44:33.600 --> 01:44:37.859
It's I think this is a gentle lampooning of the anti-war

2600
01:44:37.859 --> 01:44:38.279
movement.

2601
01:44:38.399 --> 01:44:42.000
Whereas the dominators is, if you don't like, well, we're going to

2602
01:44:42.000 --> 01:44:43.800
put you in a dress because you're stupid.

2603
01:44:43.920 --> 01:44:45.300
And you'll be killed.

2604
01:44:45.359 --> 01:44:45.960
Yes.

2605
01:44:46.079 --> 01:44:50.159
This is written with great intelligence and the other one may not

2606
01:44:50.159 --> 01:44:50.340
be.

2607
01:44:50.399 --> 01:44:51.359
Yeah Yeah.

2608
01:44:51.720 --> 01:44:56.939
Oh, well, and I just think Whitaker is vastly less nasty than...

2609
01:44:56.939 --> 01:44:58.439
Yeah, Hazman and Lincoln.

2610
01:44:58.500 --> 01:44:59.279
And that's the thing.

2611
01:44:59.340 --> 01:45:00.600
I think he's not presenting.

2612
01:45:00.600 --> 01:45:05.340
If Colin and Mary are sort of anti-war student revolutionary type

2613
01:45:05.340 --> 01:45:10.020
characters, He's not presenting them as stupid, he's presenting

2614
01:45:10.020 --> 01:45:10.800
them as naive.

2615
01:45:10.859 --> 01:45:12.119
Well, feckless at worst.

2616
01:45:12.180 --> 01:45:15.960
Yeah, but the thing is, meat is fragile. meat fragile.

2617
01:45:16.500 --> 01:45:18.960
It's in glass jars.

2618
01:45:19.020 --> 01:45:20.279
Oh no.

2619
01:45:20.340 --> 01:45:22.319
It's the app.

2620
01:45:22.319 --> 01:45:23.460
Oh, brilliant.

2621
01:45:23.520 --> 01:45:24.539
It's the newspaper.

2622
01:45:24.600 --> 01:45:27.600
But it's a beautiful inversion as well, because they have no

2623
01:45:27.600 --> 01:45:28.560
internet, do they?

2624
01:45:28.619 --> 01:45:32.279
No, but he's just about to learn that Adele has released a new

2625
01:45:32.279 --> 01:45:32.640
album.

2626
01:45:32.640 --> 01:45:37.859
Well, that La La Land is...

2627
01:45:37.859 --> 01:45:40.140
It's a lie.

2628
01:45:40.199 --> 01:45:43.560
Salamander, I'm going to let you finish, but Moonlight was the

2629
01:45:43.560 --> 01:45:44.760
best picture of 2016.

2630
01:45:44.939 --> 01:45:48.659
Do you know how that Oscar gate happened, don't you?

2631
01:45:48.720 --> 01:45:50.699
They have been for a story.

2632
01:45:50.699 --> 01:45:54.239
I've spoken to each other for years. literally years, Beatty and

2633
01:45:54.239 --> 01:45:57.119
Dunaway. they fought all day.

2634
01:45:57.479 --> 01:45:59.819
Who was going to pretend?

2635
01:45:59.819 --> 01:46:01.380
Two cats in a Hishing sack.

2636
01:46:01.439 --> 01:46:05.100
And the guy who was handing out the envelopes left of stage was

2637
01:46:05.100 --> 01:46:08.640
tweeting, it's so trumpy and tweeting constantly, and because he

2638
01:46:08.640 --> 01:46:11.340
was so busy on Twitter, he gave the wrong envelope.

2639
01:46:11.399 --> 01:46:15.840
He was handed out and it said best actress, Lala, which is why

2640
01:46:15.840 --> 01:46:18.960
which is why Baiti, everyone thought he was sticking.

2641
01:46:19.079 --> 01:46:19.739
Yeah.

2642
01:46:19.739 --> 01:46:23.460
And he he handed it to, he just, and he was saying, what the

2643
01:46:23.460 --> 01:46:23.640
hell?

2644
01:46:23.699 --> 01:46:26.460
had it to Dunaway and threw her under the bus.

2645
01:46:26.579 --> 01:46:30.180
Well, the thing is, I've watched that, though, and he does sort of

2646
01:46:30.180 --> 01:46:33.180
give her a look as if to silently say, hold on, is this right?

2647
01:46:33.239 --> 01:46:34.199
No. no?

2648
01:46:34.260 --> 01:46:36.359
But they both don't have their contacts lenses in.

2649
01:46:36.420 --> 01:46:37.619
They can only see the big font.

2650
01:46:37.680 --> 01:46:41.100
Well, in fact, she, yeah, no, he's really... anyway, we're getting

2651
01:46:41.100 --> 01:46:41.939
off track, aren't we?

2652
01:46:42.000 --> 01:46:45.539
There was a brilliant article about the typography of those pieces

2653
01:46:45.539 --> 01:46:49.199
of paper and the fact that best actresses written in tiny letters

2654
01:46:49.199 --> 01:46:50.880
down the bottom of that.

2655
01:46:50.939 --> 01:46:55.439
I just love how salamander manages to convince him or almost

2656
01:46:55.439 --> 01:46:58.859
convince him that these horrible nuclear mutants on the surface

2657
01:46:58.859 --> 01:47:00.720
have pleasure.

2658
01:47:00.779 --> 01:47:01.439
Have a lovely holiday.

2659
01:47:01.500 --> 01:47:03.899
They're deformed in mind and body.

2660
01:47:03.960 --> 01:47:06.539
It's the inverse of Futurama.

2661
01:47:06.539 --> 01:47:09.300
On those cruises, yeah. you know, cruise lines.

2662
01:47:09.359 --> 01:47:11.819
I thought you were going to say one of those doctors.

2663
01:47:11.819 --> 01:47:15.300
I haven't been on an Atlantis cruise, but I do have to wonder.

2664
01:47:15.840 --> 01:47:19.800
Yeah, terribly devoid of all feeling, hope.

2665
01:47:19.859 --> 01:47:22.380
You know, I did love love boats.

2666
01:47:22.439 --> 01:47:24.060
Love both the next wave though.

2667
01:47:24.119 --> 01:47:25.439
I was a huge fan of that.

2668
01:47:25.500 --> 01:47:26.640
How long did that go?

2669
01:47:26.640 --> 01:47:28.439
10 episodes?

2670
01:47:28.500 --> 01:47:30.180
Not the next wave.

2671
01:47:30.239 --> 01:47:31.079
Did I remember?

2672
01:47:31.140 --> 01:47:32.640
I think it did 2 seasons.

2673
01:47:33.300 --> 01:47:37.979
I know that I know that New Fantasy Island with Malcolm McDowell

2674
01:47:37.979 --> 01:47:38.699
didn't do very well.

2675
01:47:39.060 --> 01:47:42.359
And all of that is happening on the surface right now.

2676
01:47:42.659 --> 01:47:46.199
I think I'd rather be down there with the fabulous Darlic

2677
01:47:46.199 --> 01:47:46.739
Bullpaper.

2678
01:47:46.800 --> 01:47:48.359
See, this is okay.

2679
01:47:48.420 --> 01:47:50.760
Like, it's salamander and this guy is good.

2680
01:47:50.819 --> 01:47:51.659
This one is good.

2681
01:47:51.720 --> 01:47:54.539
Yeah, yeah, Christopher Bird. get back into the room of the

2682
01:47:54.539 --> 01:47:55.140
special people.

2683
01:47:55.199 --> 01:47:58.439
It's all a bit special, really. to feel that about the special

2684
01:47:58.439 --> 01:47:58.739
people.

2685
01:47:59.579 --> 01:48:02.220
It's strange, special.

2686
01:48:02.279 --> 01:48:05.640
Because we do see him duping people upstairs and now we see him

2687
01:48:05.640 --> 01:48:07.619
duping people in a different environment.

2688
01:48:07.739 --> 01:48:10.199
That is quite amazing how much time he's now spending down here.

2689
01:48:10.260 --> 01:48:11.520
Yeah, you know?

2690
01:48:11.640 --> 01:48:13.260
Well, now that we've had the reveal.

2691
01:48:13.319 --> 01:48:16.140
It might have been interesting to hear that Salamander was off in

2692
01:48:16.140 --> 01:48:18.960
the records room and that's why you can't be in this bit maybe a

2693
01:48:18.960 --> 01:48:19.439
bit earlier.

2694
01:48:19.500 --> 01:48:25.140
But it is also just an amazing kind of strange switch to how the

2695
01:48:25.140 --> 01:48:25.680
story works.

2696
01:48:27.420 --> 01:48:29.579
And it does keep it going.

2697
01:48:29.640 --> 01:48:31.260
It's a bit genius.

2698
01:48:31.319 --> 01:48:33.000
Isn't it interesting that they were right?

2699
01:48:33.060 --> 01:48:34.739
Well, they weren't quite in the middle.

2700
01:48:34.800 --> 01:48:37.079
We are looking at our current predicament.

2701
01:48:37.199 --> 01:48:40.020
They were looking back to the 2nd World War and saying, you know

2702
01:48:40.020 --> 01:48:40.619
this has happened.

2703
01:48:40.680 --> 01:48:42.000
We must never let it happen again.

2704
01:48:42.060 --> 01:48:44.640
We're right here now watching it.

2705
01:48:44.699 --> 01:48:46.500
How's your research going, Brendan?

2706
01:48:46.560 --> 01:48:52.319
Well, um, love boat the next wave, and ran for 2 seasons of 25

2707
01:48:52.319 --> 01:48:52.800
episodes.

2708
01:48:52.859 --> 01:48:54.600
A total of 25 episodes.

2709
01:48:54.659 --> 01:48:55.500
Oh, only?

2710
01:48:55.500 --> 01:48:55.859
Yep.

2711
01:48:55.920 --> 01:48:57.479
Fent...

2712
01:48:57.479 --> 01:48:58.439
I know Robert Yuri.

2713
01:48:58.500 --> 01:49:00.720
Oh, I didn't look up the cast, but I will in a moment.

2714
01:49:00.779 --> 01:49:05.640
New Fantasy Island just called Fantasy Island, led by Malcolm

2715
01:49:05.640 --> 01:49:06.840
McDowell, 13 episodes.

2716
01:49:06.899 --> 01:49:08.520
Michael McDowell.

2717
01:49:08.520 --> 01:49:10.560
Do you know, I would kill to watch the love boat again.

2718
01:49:10.619 --> 01:49:11.819
Why isn't that on Netflix?

2719
01:49:11.880 --> 01:49:17.159
It, you know, it, Richard, it took me 3 seasons to figure out that

2720
01:49:17.159 --> 01:49:19.920
Murray from...

2721
01:49:19.920 --> 01:49:22.079
Mary Tyler Moore was Captain Stubing.

2722
01:49:22.619 --> 01:49:27.060
Because he finally loses all that weighty yo-yos in...

2723
01:49:27.060 --> 01:49:29.520
Wait, wait, Collins, Collins...

2724
01:49:29.579 --> 01:49:30.539
Colin's doing some acting.

2725
01:49:30.659 --> 01:49:30.960
Here we go.

2726
01:49:31.020 --> 01:49:32.159
Take me with you.

2727
01:49:32.220 --> 01:49:34.079
Don't touch the wallpaper, your dentist.

2728
01:49:34.140 --> 01:49:34.859
Does he die?

2729
01:49:34.920 --> 01:49:35.579
I've forgotten.

2730
01:49:35.640 --> 01:49:36.479
Do these people die?

2731
01:49:36.539 --> 01:49:37.560
Because I'm wishing so.

2732
01:49:37.619 --> 01:49:38.640
Just wait.

2733
01:49:38.699 --> 01:49:39.779
Actually, it's really funny.

2734
01:49:39.840 --> 01:49:41.279
I forgot and see what happens to.

2735
01:49:43.859 --> 01:49:44.939
You won't believe you get out of here.

2736
01:49:45.000 --> 01:49:45.960
We want you to get out of here.

2737
01:49:46.020 --> 01:49:48.659
You could park a speedboat in his mouth.

2738
01:49:49.260 --> 01:49:50.760
Raising.

2739
01:49:51.840 --> 01:49:53.819
We doing phrasing?

2740
01:49:54.300 --> 01:50:01.859
It seems like ever since we've seen Victoria and Jamie, but aren't

2741
01:50:01.859 --> 01:50:02.699
we about to get her moment?

2742
01:50:02.760 --> 01:50:04.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2743
01:50:04.380 --> 01:50:08.939
Oh, and he's really frightening.

2744
01:50:09.000 --> 01:50:11.760
You know, every time he walks into a room, you think it could be a

2745
01:50:11.760 --> 01:50:12.479
cliffhanger.

2746
01:50:12.539 --> 01:50:13.260
He's just that good.

2747
01:50:14.460 --> 01:50:20.100
He really does feel like Teresa May with mystectomy, doesn't he?

2748
01:50:20.159 --> 01:50:21.359
Yeah.

2749
01:50:21.359 --> 01:50:26.039
It's not a sight I wanted to have. we don't we don't body shame

2750
01:50:26.039 --> 01:50:28.380
people, but even Jeremy Hardy, I think, said this week.

2751
01:50:28.439 --> 01:50:31.380
It is like watching an animated corpse whenever Theresa may

2752
01:50:31.380 --> 01:50:31.859
presume.

2753
01:50:31.920 --> 01:50:34.020
So to speak, phrasing.

2754
01:50:34.140 --> 01:50:35.640
Dead inside.

2755
01:50:35.699 --> 01:50:36.659
No.

2756
01:50:36.720 --> 01:50:38.220
Oh, look at that love.

2757
01:50:38.279 --> 01:50:39.600
Wonderful.

2758
01:50:39.600 --> 01:50:40.199
Fabulous.

2759
01:50:40.260 --> 01:50:41.880
And there's no mirth in it at all.

2760
01:50:41.939 --> 01:50:43.380
No, not in English teeth.

2761
01:50:43.500 --> 01:50:45.779
No. resistance.

2762
01:50:46.020 --> 01:50:47.520
Boy.

2763
01:50:47.760 --> 01:50:49.319
Vim.

2764
01:50:49.680 --> 01:50:51.720
I wonder how long you'll last.

2765
01:50:52.439 --> 01:50:54.420
Oh, wandering.

2766
01:50:54.420 --> 01:50:56.819
Seriously, can we discuss whether we're doing freezer?

2767
01:50:56.880 --> 01:50:58.800
10, perhaps, really?

2768
01:50:58.859 --> 01:51:00.600
That's optimistic, surely.

2769
01:51:00.720 --> 01:51:02.039
Oh, good grief.

2770
01:51:02.100 --> 01:51:03.180
This is filth.

2771
01:51:07.439 --> 01:51:10.439
Oh, goodness.

2772
01:51:10.500 --> 01:51:11.819
That's so terrifying.

2773
01:51:11.880 --> 01:51:13.199
I want grunting too.

2774
01:51:13.260 --> 01:51:13.920
Look at him.

2775
01:51:13.979 --> 01:51:15.659
He's really really good.

2776
01:51:16.800 --> 01:51:18.659
And filthy.

2777
01:51:19.619 --> 01:51:21.840
Well, what's he doing to?

2778
01:51:21.899 --> 01:51:22.560
Oh, not much.

2779
01:51:22.739 --> 01:51:26.819
And he's just got this, like, he can freeze parts of his face.

2780
01:51:26.880 --> 01:51:29.520
Like he just freezes his eyes and everything else.

2781
01:51:29.579 --> 01:51:30.539
B Botox, yeah.

2782
01:51:30.600 --> 01:51:30.840
Yeah.

2783
01:51:30.899 --> 01:51:34.500
He never really got to be a villain properly again, did he?

2784
01:51:34.560 --> 01:51:37.439
He was always just like sidekick. to the villain.

2785
01:51:37.500 --> 01:51:39.720
But I think that...

2786
01:51:39.779 --> 01:51:42.000
I think that's kind of good though, because he plays 3 parts in

2787
01:51:42.000 --> 01:51:45.840
Doctor Who and he shows different parts of his range in each.

2788
01:51:49.260 --> 01:51:53.159
Like Kelner, you know, starts off really efficient and then

2789
01:51:53.159 --> 01:51:54.359
becomes a toady.

2790
01:51:54.420 --> 01:51:58.439
But no, he's always a bit kind of oleaginous, I think, at the, like

2791
01:51:58.439 --> 01:52:01.199
even towards the doctor when the doctor's being a weirdo.

2792
01:52:01.979 --> 01:52:04.680
Veronica Vimpus?

2793
01:52:04.739 --> 01:52:07.380
There's the problem with the... with the subtitle.

2794
01:52:07.439 --> 01:52:11.039
I think that was maybe one of her other stage names we never heard

2795
01:52:11.039 --> 01:52:11.279
about.

2796
01:52:11.340 --> 01:52:13.859
I did say at the beginning you could be watching the DVD, but I

2797
01:52:13.859 --> 01:52:16.140
have a feeling the DVD subtitles probably don't screw that up.

2798
01:52:16.199 --> 01:52:17.579
Who knows?

2799
01:52:18.119 --> 01:52:20.039
Brigadoon.

2800
01:52:20.100 --> 01:52:22.800
I think that's what this episode should be cool.

2801
01:52:23.819 --> 01:52:26.220
This is horrible, yeah.

2802
01:52:26.279 --> 01:52:26.819
Yeah, yeah.

2803
01:52:26.819 --> 01:52:32.340
It's, it's, it is as, as dire as anything that season 22 manages.

2804
01:52:32.460 --> 01:52:35.579
Well, there's a bit less cannibalism in this than in the season.

2805
01:52:35.640 --> 01:52:36.180
Or so far.

2806
01:52:36.239 --> 01:52:38.520
We don't know what the fragile meat was.

2807
01:52:39.300 --> 01:52:43.319
I mean, you know, Drew Barham, Mary's brother.

2808
01:52:43.380 --> 01:52:45.600
Milton John's is strictly a set of ore.

2809
01:52:45.659 --> 01:52:47.460
He's not happy.

2810
01:52:48.899 --> 01:52:50.939
Yeah, here comes.

2811
01:52:51.000 --> 01:52:54.239
I agree with you, Todd. is absolutely one of Victoria's finest

2812
01:52:54.239 --> 01:52:54.539
moments.

2813
01:52:54.840 --> 01:52:57.960
The doctor's being a bit mean here, though.

2814
01:52:58.020 --> 01:52:58.800
Why is he doing this?

2815
01:52:58.859 --> 01:53:02.460
Well, he's doing it to convince... he's got to show Bruce, yeah.

2816
01:53:02.520 --> 01:53:03.359
Yeah, Bruce.

2817
01:53:03.420 --> 01:53:04.739
Call to us.

2818
01:53:07.199 --> 01:53:09.840
Yeah, Jamie doesn't step up.

2819
01:53:14.699 --> 01:53:16.920
No, he has to prove too.

2820
01:53:16.979 --> 01:53:21.420
Yeah, yeah, he has to catch up to Victoria, which is a, is a, it's

2821
01:53:21.420 --> 01:53:23.819
an element of his character that comes a lot more to the 4 with

2822
01:53:23.819 --> 01:53:24.359
Zoe.

2823
01:53:24.420 --> 01:53:26.039
He's constantly competing with Zoe.

2824
01:53:26.100 --> 01:53:28.020
Yeah, which is rather sweet.

2825
01:53:28.079 --> 01:53:33.180
That lovely scene when they're on the machines in the Crotons, I

2826
01:53:33.180 --> 01:53:34.199
think, is just spectacular.

2827
01:53:37.500 --> 01:53:40.439
Yeah, she's doing a good job here isn't she?

2828
01:53:40.500 --> 01:53:41.340
I think she's terrific.

2829
01:53:41.399 --> 01:53:44.880
It is, she is rarely given much to do.

2830
01:53:44.939 --> 01:53:47.220
And in the previous story, of course, there was lots of her

2831
01:53:47.220 --> 01:53:48.899
running around being menaced.

2832
01:53:49.020 --> 01:53:53.220
Yeah, Todd, does this influence your received opinion to the fan

2833
01:53:53.220 --> 01:53:55.500
base of the character of Victoria?

2834
01:53:55.979 --> 01:53:58.619
She's my least favourite.

2835
01:53:58.619 --> 01:54:00.840
Just, doesn't it, um, doesn't it elevate?

2836
01:54:00.840 --> 01:54:01.979
Trouton companion.

2837
01:54:02.039 --> 01:54:04.380
By far, but that is a fantastic moment.

2838
01:54:04.439 --> 01:54:06.539
And that's not Debbie's fault, you know?

2839
01:54:06.600 --> 01:54:07.439
No, I agree.

2840
01:54:07.500 --> 01:54:10.560
She rises to this, but I just don't I love her in this.

2841
01:54:10.560 --> 01:54:14.340
Victoria's whining and screaming and being put in peril all the

2842
01:54:14.340 --> 01:54:14.579
time.

2843
01:54:14.699 --> 01:54:15.899
But I'm finding Perry...

2844
01:54:15.899 --> 01:54:18.600
It's kind of written the same way.

2845
01:54:18.659 --> 01:54:19.979
Yeah, I think so too.

2846
01:54:20.100 --> 01:54:24.539
But I think I think there is a season 5 problem as well as just a

2847
01:54:24.539 --> 01:54:25.500
Victoria problem.

2848
01:54:25.560 --> 01:54:27.119
The same story over and over again.

2849
01:54:27.180 --> 01:54:28.260
Yeah, very much so.

2850
01:54:28.319 --> 01:54:29.100
Same here.

2851
01:54:29.159 --> 01:54:31.560
Well, here there's something different to do.

2852
01:54:31.619 --> 01:54:37.380
Oh, and slosh it all about. swine, you swine.

2853
01:54:37.439 --> 01:54:42.600
Um, as you said, way back when we when we 1st covered these

2854
01:54:42.600 --> 01:54:42.899
Richard.

2855
01:54:43.979 --> 01:54:46.560
And part of that formula problem is it means, you know, the doctor

2856
01:54:46.560 --> 01:54:49.260
gets to do the clever eccentric things, Jamie gets to punch people

2857
01:54:49.260 --> 01:54:51.119
in the face and Victoria gets to scream at people.

2858
01:54:51.180 --> 01:54:55.319
And the actors really try to do more with it.

2859
01:54:56.039 --> 01:55:00.840
But yeah, unfortunately, as much as, you know, watching these and

2860
01:55:00.840 --> 01:55:03.600
watching the recons gave me a new appreciation of Victoria, I have

2861
01:55:03.600 --> 01:55:04.680
to agree with you, Todd.

2862
01:55:04.739 --> 01:55:07.020
I think she's my least favourite trout and companion because

2863
01:55:07.020 --> 01:55:12.539
watching the recons with Ben and Polly, I found how just how much

2864
01:55:12.539 --> 01:55:14.640
character they jammed into those two.

2865
01:55:14.699 --> 01:55:16.260
I really like them.

2866
01:55:16.319 --> 01:55:18.899
But it's a hard choice because they're pretty much all good.

2867
01:55:18.960 --> 01:55:21.539
You know, it's not like who's your least favourite heart or

2868
01:55:21.539 --> 01:55:22.500
companion, Dodo.

2869
01:55:22.619 --> 01:55:25.199
Yeah.

2870
01:55:25.199 --> 01:55:28.560
Yeah, she's pretty dumb.

2871
01:55:28.619 --> 01:55:28.979
Yeah.

2872
01:55:29.039 --> 01:55:32.520
I mean, you could you could say the Ormolu clock could be.

2873
01:55:32.579 --> 01:55:34.619
She's in some really terrible stories, though.

2874
01:55:34.680 --> 01:55:36.000
She's great in gunfighters.

2875
01:55:36.060 --> 01:55:36.479
Shockers.

2876
01:55:36.539 --> 01:55:37.800
Yeah, she's great in gunfighters.

2877
01:55:37.859 --> 01:55:42.840
But you're implementable in the celestial joy maker.

2878
01:55:42.899 --> 01:55:43.979
I mean, that is so awful.

2879
01:55:43.979 --> 01:55:45.960
No one comes out of that coveting glory.

2880
01:55:46.020 --> 01:55:49.140
Gary Russell still likes celestial.

2881
01:55:49.199 --> 01:55:49.859
Some people do.

2882
01:55:49.920 --> 01:55:52.140
Gary Russell likes you to a kill.

2883
01:55:52.199 --> 01:55:54.000
And he hates the spy who love me.

2884
01:55:54.060 --> 01:55:55.199
And Dr. Pussy.

2885
01:55:55.260 --> 01:55:56.039
Enough.

2886
01:55:57.659 --> 01:56:01.439
We're back with Mary in the security caravan.

2887
01:56:02.220 --> 01:56:07.739
Um, young Brandon, font of all Wiz and Dom.

2888
01:56:07.800 --> 01:56:10.680
What's um, he's not very Dom, but he's quite whiz.

2889
01:56:10.739 --> 01:56:15.600
What's your what's your take on Mary Peach's glittering career?

2890
01:56:15.960 --> 01:56:19.920
Um, I'm actually quite surprised that film.

2891
01:56:19.979 --> 01:56:22.020
I don't know her from other things.

2892
01:56:22.079 --> 01:56:22.859
Yeah, exactly.

2893
01:56:22.920 --> 01:56:25.380
And we know most of the gills of this era, don't we?

2894
01:56:25.439 --> 01:56:27.000
Yeah, she's game girl.

2895
01:56:27.060 --> 01:56:29.640
She should do a lot more stuff on stage or other British shows

2896
01:56:29.640 --> 01:56:30.359
that I just don't know.

2897
01:56:30.420 --> 01:56:31.500
I looked around.

2898
01:56:31.560 --> 01:56:32.399
I'll look her up again.

2899
01:56:32.460 --> 01:56:36.840
I did look her up earlier, but she was after this primarily a film

2900
01:56:36.840 --> 01:56:37.439
actress.

2901
01:56:37.500 --> 01:56:38.460
Right.

2902
01:56:38.520 --> 01:56:41.579
In other words, she actually managed to get a career after Doctor

2903
01:56:41.579 --> 01:56:43.140
Who, which doesn't happen to many girls.

2904
01:56:43.260 --> 01:56:44.880
No, but you can see why it would, though.

2905
01:56:45.000 --> 01:56:47.340
Well, that's what she was up for, yeah.

2906
01:56:47.399 --> 01:56:50.699
She really, she was trying to get into the bond pictures and she

2907
01:56:50.699 --> 01:56:51.479
never did, did she?

2908
01:56:51.539 --> 01:56:57.420
Yeah, one of her most famous roles was in the 1970 Scrooge film.

2909
01:56:57.479 --> 01:56:58.619
Right.

2910
01:56:58.680 --> 01:57:01.800
The famous one with was it Albert Finney?

2911
01:57:01.859 --> 01:57:02.760
Oh, the musical.

2912
01:57:02.819 --> 01:57:03.180
Yeah.

2913
01:57:03.239 --> 01:57:04.079
What is she in that?

2914
01:57:04.199 --> 01:57:05.699
Do you know that?

2915
01:57:05.760 --> 01:57:06.779
I watch it.

2916
01:57:06.840 --> 01:57:08.220
That's my favourite version of Scrooge.

2917
01:57:08.279 --> 01:57:09.180
Oh, really?

2918
01:57:09.180 --> 01:57:13.439
We watch it as kids. and so whenever it was on Wednesday. joy

2919
01:57:13.439 --> 01:57:13.800
isn't he?

2920
01:57:13.859 --> 01:57:14.220
Watch that.

2921
01:57:14.279 --> 01:57:16.199
That's terribly sweet.

2922
01:57:16.260 --> 01:57:20.220
Um, she was Marianne Lewis in Disraeli.

2923
01:57:20.220 --> 01:57:22.199
Mm, the Disraeli series.

2924
01:57:22.260 --> 01:57:24.420
Did we ever see Pat Trouton play Disraeli?

2925
01:57:24.479 --> 01:57:25.859
I keep feeling I did once.

2926
01:57:25.920 --> 01:57:27.840
She's not got a big part in Scrooge.

2927
01:57:27.960 --> 01:57:28.920
She's Fred's wife.

2928
01:57:29.039 --> 01:57:32.340
So when you see Fred, I don't even remember Fred.

2929
01:57:32.399 --> 01:57:33.899
But, you know, she did, she did films.

2930
01:57:33.960 --> 01:57:38.819
She did plays for today, but yeah, I don't think, except possibly

2931
01:57:38.819 --> 01:57:43.140
for that Disraeli miniseries that she ever had a big regular

2932
01:57:43.140 --> 01:57:43.739
role.

2933
01:57:43.800 --> 01:57:45.659
It was always small.

2934
01:57:45.720 --> 01:57:48.180
Well, sorry, it was always the guest role in something else.

2935
01:57:48.300 --> 01:57:49.739
She have kids?

2936
01:57:49.800 --> 01:57:53.460
Look, I'm about to bash someone's head in with a big lead pipe.

2937
01:57:53.520 --> 01:57:54.239
Quite right too.

2938
01:57:55.260 --> 01:57:57.000
Oh is he dead?

2939
01:57:57.060 --> 01:57:58.800
No, it's all tomato sauce.

2940
01:57:58.859 --> 01:58:01.380
And it is actually tomato sauce, which is hilarious.

2941
01:58:01.439 --> 01:58:03.300
So I was just distracted.

2942
01:58:04.859 --> 01:58:06.899
Strike the gun.

2943
01:58:06.960 --> 01:58:10.140
Oh, this is great, isn't it?

2944
01:58:10.199 --> 01:58:12.539
Someone's not being very...

2945
01:58:12.539 --> 01:58:16.020
Richard, have you written this entry on IMDb?

2946
01:58:16.079 --> 01:58:18.539
Sturdy, attractive blonde British actress.

2947
01:58:19.920 --> 01:58:22.140
Oh, we're back on location.

2948
01:58:22.199 --> 01:58:24.600
The most backhanded compliment you can possibly get.

2949
01:58:24.659 --> 01:58:26.039
Yeah, Hartnell's entry, isn't it?

2950
01:58:26.159 --> 01:58:30.000
Best known as Rock Hudson's wife who must cope with being the

2951
01:58:30.000 --> 01:58:34.380
spouse of a military man. and homosexual in a gathering of

2952
01:58:34.380 --> 01:58:34.859
eagles.

2953
01:58:34.920 --> 01:58:36.359
Fancy.

2954
01:58:36.420 --> 01:58:39.539
Now we're about to come up to the cliffhanger.

2955
01:58:39.600 --> 01:58:41.279
Is she on location here or back in studio?

2956
01:58:41.340 --> 01:58:42.659
No, she's back in she's back in the studio.

2957
01:58:42.720 --> 01:58:45.300
But this is we're getting up to the cliffhanger, aren't we?

2958
01:58:45.359 --> 01:58:48.479
Yeah, so she's going to wander for a bit.

2959
01:58:48.539 --> 01:58:51.300
And then Salamander's gonna...

2960
01:58:51.359 --> 01:58:51.659
Oh, yeah.

2961
01:58:51.720 --> 01:58:53.520
It's another one of these sort of...

2962
01:58:53.520 --> 01:58:57.359
Yeah, conceptual. we already know what she's about to find out.

2963
01:58:57.420 --> 01:58:59.760
So the rest of her career, yeah.

2964
01:58:59.819 --> 01:59:01.800
Yeah, that's...

2965
01:59:01.800 --> 01:59:02.760
Is she going to react?

2966
01:59:02.819 --> 01:59:06.479
Now that these 2 halves of the story have finally collided.

2967
01:59:06.539 --> 01:59:10.319
Which I think in storytelling terms, it's called dramatic irony.

2968
01:59:10.319 --> 01:59:13.319
When the audience knows something that the characters don't know

2969
01:59:13.319 --> 01:59:13.500
yet.

2970
01:59:13.560 --> 01:59:18.840
A lovely simulac, this movement through the brush is also her fear

2971
01:59:18.840 --> 01:59:20.340
and horror of, oh, hello.

2972
01:59:20.399 --> 01:59:21.359
Swan.

2973
01:59:21.420 --> 01:59:23.279
It is, the dying swan.

2974
01:59:24.420 --> 01:59:26.460
Not the black one.

2975
01:59:27.600 --> 01:59:29.520
Salamander.

2976
01:59:31.920 --> 01:59:33.720
That's a great.

2977
01:59:33.779 --> 01:59:34.439
Not the slashes back.

2978
01:59:34.500 --> 01:59:39.060
I'm sorry terrific story.

2979
01:59:39.119 --> 01:59:39.899
This is delicious.

2980
01:59:39.960 --> 01:59:43.560
I hope you're watching it on your iPhone on the train while you're

2981
01:59:43.560 --> 01:59:45.180
heading off to school or whatever it is you do.

2982
01:59:45.239 --> 01:59:46.680
No, yeah, I'm just...

2983
01:59:46.739 --> 01:59:47.640
There's surprises at the end.

2984
01:59:47.699 --> 01:59:51.359
Now, I'm just thinking ahead to what Astra does in the last

2985
01:59:51.359 --> 01:59:51.779
episode.

2986
01:59:51.779 --> 01:59:53.039
And I'm seeing that, you know what?

2987
01:59:53.100 --> 01:59:53.460
Yeah.

2988
01:59:53.520 --> 01:59:59.340
The last 2 episodes would still function in much the same way.

2989
01:59:59.399 --> 02:00:03.000
Astrid's kind of given a separate plot thread, which runs

2990
02:00:03.000 --> 02:00:05.760
alongside, you know, finding Swan and whatnot.

2991
02:00:05.819 --> 02:00:08.760
But the thing is, as we will discover in the next episode, Kent

2992
02:00:08.760 --> 02:00:11.399
already knows about the underground thing.

2993
02:00:11.460 --> 02:00:13.920
So it's a very clever thing that Barry and the production team

2994
02:00:13.920 --> 02:00:14.220
have done.

2995
02:00:14.279 --> 02:00:15.779
Spoilt it for me.

2996
02:00:15.840 --> 02:00:18.119
Since we're bleeding right in.

2997
02:00:18.180 --> 02:00:20.039
This is in Lloyd's last go, isn't it?

2998
02:00:20.159 --> 02:00:23.159
Yes, Peter Bryant becomes producer from next door.

2999
02:00:23.220 --> 02:00:27.060
And it's partly because Innisloyd started... thought that the

3000
02:00:27.060 --> 02:00:29.760
tenure had been something of a failure, and he was trying all the

3001
02:00:29.760 --> 02:00:33.659
same things that J and T was trying with guest stars and new

3002
02:00:33.659 --> 02:00:34.199
ideas.

3003
02:00:34.260 --> 02:00:35.699
I think he was missing.

3004
02:00:35.760 --> 02:00:37.800
What was his 1st story?

3005
02:00:37.859 --> 02:00:40.619
Is it celestial toymaker or somewhere around there?

3006
02:00:40.680 --> 02:00:42.420
We want to sub blame him for it.

3007
02:00:42.479 --> 02:00:46.619
It's, it's, it's, it is, yeah, end of, end of...

3008
02:00:46.619 --> 02:00:47.760
This acts the end of Billy.

3009
02:00:47.819 --> 02:00:48.420
End of Billy.

3010
02:00:48.479 --> 02:00:51.720
It's towards the end of Billy, but is it war machines or is it the

3011
02:00:51.720 --> 02:00:52.079
one before?

3012
02:00:52.079 --> 02:00:53.159
Or the savages?

3013
02:00:53.220 --> 02:00:55.319
I think it might be the savages actually.

3014
02:00:55.439 --> 02:00:58.319
But the handover, you're right, Todd. was around that point, so.

3015
02:00:58.500 --> 02:01:02.880
So he's been on the show, like, a good 20 months.

3016
02:01:04.199 --> 02:01:08.939
Yeah, well, really, it's such an interesting point to go because

3017
02:01:08.939 --> 02:01:11.340
we're getting the beginning of the let's, the unofficial beginning

3018
02:01:11.340 --> 02:01:12.300
of a let's era.

3019
02:01:12.359 --> 02:01:16.140
And it feels so much like, I mean, the pace of it's a pertway

3020
02:01:16.140 --> 02:01:16.439
story.

3021
02:01:16.500 --> 02:01:20.460
Well, this is Let's, but I think the Let's era is still a little

3022
02:01:20.460 --> 02:01:21.000
way off.

3023
02:01:21.060 --> 02:01:24.779
No, no, but I mean the sense of it and the pace of it because it's

3024
02:01:24.779 --> 02:01:27.960
remarkedly different from even early season four.

3025
02:01:28.140 --> 02:01:30.479
Yeah, you're right.

3026
02:01:30.539 --> 02:01:33.479
He ran from the celestial toy maker through to enemy of the

3027
02:01:33.479 --> 02:01:33.659
world.

3028
02:01:33.720 --> 02:01:36.720
Although Celestial Toymaker was the typical thing then of the

3029
02:01:36.720 --> 02:01:36.899
time.

3030
02:01:36.960 --> 02:01:38.640
I love we don't know how long he's been there.

3031
02:01:40.020 --> 02:01:42.840
That feels like it could have been the cliffhanger.

3032
02:01:42.899 --> 02:01:45.000
How did she get him down into the cave?

3033
02:01:45.060 --> 02:01:51.659
Because she's dragged dragged him by the head wound.

3034
02:01:52.079 --> 02:01:54.119
She used her hair.

3035
02:01:54.180 --> 02:01:57.899
Tomb of the Cybermen was produced by Peter Bryant as a test piece

3036
02:01:57.899 --> 02:01:59.220
for him to then take over.

3037
02:01:59.460 --> 02:02:06.899
Um, But I don't, I think his reinvention of the show was a great

3038
02:02:06.899 --> 02:02:08.880
success, but I think you're right, Richard.

3039
02:02:08.939 --> 02:02:11.760
He got out at the right time because he'd introduced this formula

3040
02:02:11.760 --> 02:02:16.140
and it's, yeah, it's pretty telling that even when we get to the

3041
02:02:16.140 --> 02:02:18.899
Barry Letts era and there's a formula of where on earth.

3042
02:02:18.960 --> 02:02:23.100
That's really the only commonality between the earth stories.

3043
02:02:23.159 --> 02:02:24.659
It's not the same beats every week.

3044
02:02:24.779 --> 02:02:26.100
I don't get bored.

3045
02:02:26.159 --> 02:02:26.399
Yeah.

3046
02:02:26.520 --> 02:02:28.199
Do you talk?

3047
02:02:28.260 --> 02:02:29.399
Well, later on.

3048
02:02:29.460 --> 02:02:33.119
Well, the patchwear is forever evolving and changing.

3049
02:02:33.180 --> 02:02:37.140
Like, you know, every season from the start to the finish. even

3050
02:02:37.140 --> 02:02:37.800
within stories.

3051
02:02:37.800 --> 02:02:42.239
Whereas here the, well, not with this story, but with all the ones

3052
02:02:42.239 --> 02:02:48.119
around, this really from, you know, there's that sameness

3053
02:02:48.119 --> 02:02:49.800
about...

3054
02:02:49.859 --> 02:02:53.819
I think season 6 is a bit more experimental, even though it failed

3055
02:02:53.819 --> 02:02:54.960
sometimes.

3056
02:02:55.020 --> 02:02:56.760
Different producer.

3057
02:02:56.819 --> 02:02:58.079
Yeah, it's.

3058
02:02:59.279 --> 02:03:02.340
It's kind of funny, really, that good shot.

3059
02:03:02.520 --> 02:03:09.060
Season 5 this season, you don't get the saminess if you dip in and

3060
02:03:09.060 --> 02:03:13.680
out of Doctor Who like we have for a lot of our lives, but yeah

3061
02:03:13.680 --> 02:03:16.380
sitting down to watch it all together, kind of by the time you get

3062
02:03:16.380 --> 02:03:18.659
to Webber Fear, you're just like, oh, God, again?

3063
02:03:19.020 --> 02:03:21.239
Again, with the robots.

3064
02:03:22.199 --> 02:03:24.600
But you watch them in...

3065
02:03:24.600 --> 02:03:26.939
You watch them individually.

3066
02:03:27.000 --> 02:03:27.420
Perhaps.

3067
02:03:27.420 --> 02:03:28.199
It seems away from me.

3068
02:03:28.260 --> 02:03:35.159
Perhaps if you say picked out a story by chance using the

3069
02:03:35.159 --> 02:03:38.699
randomiser.net and happened to get...

3070
02:03:38.760 --> 02:03:41.520
That was the randomiser.net.

3071
02:03:41.579 --> 02:03:43.619
And, you know, you just happen to get those stories.

3072
02:03:43.680 --> 02:03:49.979
It's kind of funny that it's not made for the video era, but this

3073
02:03:49.979 --> 02:03:53.159
season works really well in the video era. beautifully, doesn't

3074
02:03:53.159 --> 02:03:53.340
it?

3075
02:03:53.399 --> 02:03:58.800
Well, because it understands cereal, at which developed for cinema

3076
02:03:58.800 --> 02:04:01.560
week by week, people go along a Saturday afternoon, watch

3077
02:04:01.560 --> 02:04:02.460
something exactly like this.

3078
02:04:02.520 --> 02:04:05.340
But, you know, at the same time, we're watching it as critical

3079
02:04:05.340 --> 02:04:06.000
adults.

3080
02:04:06.060 --> 02:04:08.159
I think the 8 to 10 year olds would have just lapped it up without

3081
02:04:08.159 --> 02:04:11.460
thinking, oh, this you know, but this is where the aliens invaded

3082
02:04:11.460 --> 02:04:12.000
last month.

3083
02:04:12.060 --> 02:04:14.939
I mean, you would have had great appreciation for this having

3084
02:04:14.939 --> 02:04:17.760
watched this at 10 because we all had feelings about underworld

3085
02:04:17.760 --> 02:04:18.539
didn't we, Tom?

3086
02:04:19.199 --> 02:04:21.359
Bleeding from the ears.

3087
02:04:21.659 --> 02:04:23.460
Naughty pants.

3088
02:04:24.659 --> 02:04:26.520
Oh, good on you.

3089
02:04:28.800 --> 02:04:32.279
You've kept me on hold for 10 minutes now.

3090
02:04:32.399 --> 02:04:34.079
I'm never using butter.

3091
02:04:34.140 --> 02:04:40.380
I want some Kentucky fried chicken and...

3092
02:04:40.439 --> 02:04:42.119
Hello, who's that?

3093
02:04:42.180 --> 02:04:42.720
Zoe?

3094
02:04:42.779 --> 02:04:43.560
Oh, you're coming soon.

3095
02:04:44.819 --> 02:04:46.859
You're not listening.

3096
02:04:49.979 --> 02:04:52.319
Plenty of public funds, you dirty.

3097
02:04:52.380 --> 02:04:53.939
No, I've seen your postcards.

3098
02:04:54.000 --> 02:04:56.039
Public phones in 2017.

3099
02:04:56.220 --> 02:04:59.880
Because not because it's a lovely alternate history and apps were

3100
02:04:59.880 --> 02:05:01.260
banned along with mobiles.

3101
02:05:01.319 --> 02:05:01.920
And you know what?

3102
02:05:01.979 --> 02:05:03.539
It's probably the greatest vision for the future.

3103
02:05:03.600 --> 02:05:06.720
There'd be no Twittering if they want to know that on mobile

3104
02:05:06.720 --> 02:05:07.140
phone.

3105
02:05:07.199 --> 02:05:08.760
But you get bored at the bus stop.

3106
02:05:08.819 --> 02:05:12.479
No, we could just have buses for each other, so we can just...

3107
02:05:12.600 --> 02:05:16.680
I do love that Nokia are bringing back the 3310 and it's just a

3108
02:05:16.680 --> 02:05:19.260
texting and phone device with snake.

3109
02:05:19.319 --> 02:05:22.979
We won't get it here, though, because it's 2G only, and our last

3110
02:05:22.979 --> 02:05:24.899
2G networks are being switched off in October.

3111
02:05:24.960 --> 02:05:26.579
It's kind of beautiful, isn't it?

3112
02:05:26.640 --> 02:05:29.100
Yeah, yeah. 4 days before charging.

3113
02:05:29.159 --> 02:05:32.819
It's because you couldn't do anything on that. evaporated.

3114
02:05:34.140 --> 02:05:35.939
I was tempted.

3115
02:05:36.960 --> 02:05:38.819
What is this?

3116
02:05:39.300 --> 02:05:41.039
What is this?

3117
02:05:41.039 --> 02:05:41.819
house.

3118
02:05:41.880 --> 02:05:42.479
We live in a house.

3119
02:05:43.079 --> 02:05:45.239
Why are they lying to him now?

3120
02:05:45.300 --> 02:05:45.899
terrific.

3121
02:05:45.960 --> 02:05:48.479
Oh, I like the security.

3122
02:05:48.539 --> 02:05:49.739
It's a poisoned?

3123
02:05:49.800 --> 02:05:50.340
It's gruel.

3124
02:05:50.399 --> 02:05:52.439
No, it is it is the happiness patrol plant.

3125
02:05:52.500 --> 02:05:54.239
Food, glorious food.

3126
02:05:54.720 --> 02:05:58.800
Do you realise, though, this is, in fact, a set from the Colin

3127
02:05:58.800 --> 02:06:00.359
Baker season 22 era?

3128
02:06:00.420 --> 02:06:01.140
Look at the costumes.

3129
02:06:01.199 --> 02:06:02.340
It really is.

3130
02:06:02.399 --> 02:06:03.359
What?

3131
02:06:03.359 --> 02:06:04.560
I would have timelash.

3132
02:06:04.619 --> 02:06:06.539
I would have loved these costumes in time.

3133
02:06:06.659 --> 02:06:08.699
I would have killed for some colour variation.

3134
02:06:08.760 --> 02:06:09.720
Feels like time rash.

3135
02:06:09.779 --> 02:06:10.800
What do think?

3136
02:06:10.859 --> 02:06:13.079
It feels like time rash.

3137
02:06:13.140 --> 02:06:16.680
It looks like Talmash, but you taste it.

3138
02:06:16.739 --> 02:06:18.720
Okay, who's worse?

3139
02:06:18.779 --> 02:06:19.920
Mary or Vina?

3140
02:06:20.279 --> 02:06:21.960
Oh, Mary.

3141
02:06:22.020 --> 02:06:22.859
I love Vina.

3142
02:06:24.000 --> 02:06:26.640
Vina does have another world leader.

3143
02:06:26.640 --> 02:06:27.960
She's stressed, we don't mean Mary Peach.

3144
02:06:28.020 --> 02:06:28.739
No, do this.

3145
02:06:28.739 --> 02:06:29.039
No.

3146
02:06:29.880 --> 02:06:31.739
Navina has that ability to sort of...

3147
02:06:31.739 --> 02:06:32.220
Mary White House.

3148
02:06:32.279 --> 02:06:33.720
Float through.

3149
02:06:34.380 --> 02:06:35.460
Yeah, float through the wall.

3150
02:06:35.460 --> 02:06:37.859
Like the evaporating.

3151
02:06:37.920 --> 02:06:38.579
Yes.

3152
02:06:39.239 --> 02:06:40.380
It's for your hair love.

3153
02:06:40.439 --> 02:06:42.060
Like you get your hair done in there.

3154
02:06:42.119 --> 02:06:43.380
You get one of those.

3155
02:06:43.439 --> 02:06:46.439
Oh, I think it's a celerium.

3156
02:06:46.500 --> 02:06:47.819
It's a machine powering off.

3157
02:06:47.880 --> 02:06:48.359
It says so.

3158
02:06:48.420 --> 02:06:49.500
I should.

3159
02:06:49.500 --> 02:06:50.699
Oh, the wormu.

3160
02:06:50.819 --> 02:06:53.039
We're not hiring you again.

3161
02:06:53.520 --> 02:06:55.199
Why are they so scared?

3162
02:06:55.260 --> 02:06:56.939
I mean, obviously she's a mutant.

3163
02:06:57.000 --> 02:06:57.600
It's a hare.

3164
02:06:57.659 --> 02:06:59.340
Yeah, yeah, she's got an evil body.

3165
02:06:59.399 --> 02:07:01.680
She's going to take off her hair and she have another head.

3166
02:07:01.739 --> 02:07:03.659
She doesn't like one of the village of the damned.

3167
02:07:03.720 --> 02:07:05.520
Or as you say, Lisa Marie from Mars Attack.

3168
02:07:06.300 --> 02:07:11.220
Actually. come to help you.

3169
02:07:11.279 --> 02:07:12.060
She's awful.

3170
02:07:12.060 --> 02:07:13.260
I'm Teresa May.

3171
02:07:13.319 --> 02:07:15.659
I've come to help you How did they get the fight?

3172
02:07:15.720 --> 02:07:16.199
Yes exactly.

3173
02:07:16.260 --> 02:07:17.699
Where did they get the farming implement?

3174
02:07:17.760 --> 02:07:19.199
Under...

3175
02:07:19.319 --> 02:07:21.899
Please stop.

3176
02:07:21.960 --> 02:07:22.979
Stop hitting me with sticks.

3177
02:07:23.039 --> 02:07:25.020
Get back getting back.

3178
02:07:25.140 --> 02:07:27.539
We're not doing the demons for years, years.

3179
02:07:27.600 --> 02:07:29.640
Oh, there's Margot in the background.

3180
02:07:29.699 --> 02:07:31.500
Margot.

3181
02:07:31.500 --> 02:07:32.760
Yeah, it looks like Margot.

3182
02:07:32.819 --> 02:07:35.039
You must be carrying.

3183
02:07:41.100 --> 02:07:42.479
Oh goodness.

3184
02:07:43.859 --> 02:07:45.420
Dead?

3185
02:07:45.479 --> 02:07:49.439
Yeah, so she really actually plays a massively crucial role, you

3186
02:07:49.439 --> 02:07:52.380
know, overthrowning salamander in this in this episode.

3187
02:07:52.439 --> 02:07:53.819
Yeah, she's huge.

3188
02:07:53.880 --> 02:07:55.680
You know, I woman, no.

3189
02:07:55.800 --> 02:07:58.739
Do you think this could have been written for one of the

3190
02:07:58.739 --> 02:08:00.000
companions?

3191
02:08:00.600 --> 02:08:04.020
Yeah, quite possibly, but also apparently in the 1st draft.

3192
02:08:04.079 --> 02:08:06.960
Nathan, you've alluded to a line earlier that explains what

3193
02:08:06.960 --> 02:08:07.859
happens to these people.

3194
02:08:07.920 --> 02:08:09.000
That wasn't in there.

3195
02:08:09.060 --> 02:08:12.239
So they just kind of disappear halfway through episode six.

3196
02:08:12.300 --> 02:08:15.600
So I think it kind keeping her on kind of solved a problem.

3197
02:08:15.899 --> 02:08:18.600
I just want those fricking resort wear.

3198
02:08:18.659 --> 02:08:20.220
So fantastic.

3199
02:08:20.279 --> 02:08:21.420
I love what Mary is wearing.

3200
02:08:21.479 --> 02:08:22.739
I quite like Colin's shirt.

3201
02:08:22.800 --> 02:08:24.539
Marameka's taken over the future.

3202
02:08:25.380 --> 02:08:28.140
People did actually wear crap like this.

3203
02:08:28.199 --> 02:08:31.500
Yeah, I know, and I've got proof my parents holding me now, if

3204
02:08:31.500 --> 02:08:33.119
it's just like, they were on the set, probably.

3205
02:08:33.180 --> 02:08:36.180
Oh, yeah, and yet she didn't have a career.

3206
02:08:36.239 --> 02:08:36.840
Look at that face.

3207
02:08:36.960 --> 02:08:40.560
I mean, surely there's people would have still been doing Dickens

3208
02:08:40.560 --> 02:08:43.439
dramas where they needed consumptive.

3209
02:08:43.500 --> 02:08:44.760
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

3210
02:08:44.819 --> 02:08:48.779
Girl people. to stare fixedly into the middle distance for 20

3211
02:08:48.779 --> 02:08:50.100
minutes.

3212
02:08:50.159 --> 02:08:52.739
I'm surprised she made it to the end of the shoot.

3213
02:08:52.859 --> 02:08:55.020
This machine's up what?

3214
02:08:55.079 --> 02:08:55.800
Oh, thanks.

3215
02:08:56.460 --> 02:08:58.199
Right, keep going.

3216
02:08:58.380 --> 02:09:00.359
I love Colin.

3217
02:09:00.420 --> 02:09:03.479
Did he actually play Janet Fielding's nephew?

3218
02:09:04.380 --> 02:09:05.880
so much.

3219
02:09:05.939 --> 02:09:08.819
I thought he was going to play that grandfather.

3220
02:09:09.899 --> 02:09:11.760
No, it's 2018.

3221
02:09:11.939 --> 02:09:13.199
I'm Andrew.

3222
02:09:13.199 --> 02:09:16.260
Can you imagine what Janet would have done had she had the Mary

3223
02:09:16.260 --> 02:09:17.039
Peach part?

3224
02:09:17.100 --> 02:09:18.899
Oh, she'd have been great.

3225
02:09:18.960 --> 02:09:19.439
Yeah.

3226
02:09:19.439 --> 02:09:21.960
Should have been great in a completely different way.

3227
02:09:22.020 --> 02:09:25.260
You're all gnongs down here.

3228
02:09:26.579 --> 02:09:28.439
Some object.

3229
02:09:28.500 --> 02:09:30.479
I've come to help you.

3230
02:09:30.539 --> 02:09:32.699
Is this real contaminated?

3231
02:09:32.760 --> 02:09:33.659
What orders?

3232
02:09:33.720 --> 02:09:34.920
Strufe.

3233
02:09:34.979 --> 02:09:35.880
He just released us.

3234
02:09:35.939 --> 02:09:37.079
I was it confirmed?

3235
02:09:37.140 --> 02:09:41.039
You know, you do forget that...

3236
02:09:42.060 --> 02:09:44.939
You do forget that Fraser Hines is only 2 inches taller than

3237
02:09:44.939 --> 02:09:45.720
Patrick Trout.

3238
02:09:45.779 --> 02:09:47.699
They did call themselves the smallest show on Earth.

3239
02:09:47.760 --> 02:09:51.359
Everyone's terribly sure. in the TARDIS in this beer, don't they?

3240
02:09:51.420 --> 02:09:51.960
Yeah, yeah.

3241
02:09:52.020 --> 02:09:53.760
I mean, Billy was only 510, I think.

3242
02:09:53.880 --> 02:09:54.779
Oh, not that.

3243
02:09:54.840 --> 02:09:55.439
No?

3244
02:09:55.500 --> 02:09:57.119
Maybe 5' eight.

3245
02:09:57.180 --> 02:09:58.020
He was taller than Pat.

3246
02:09:58.079 --> 02:09:59.340
And Pat was 5'6.

3247
02:09:59.460 --> 02:10:00.539
Oh, look, we can all get out.

3248
02:10:00.600 --> 02:10:03.060
You can get new hairdos and new...

3249
02:10:03.180 --> 02:10:04.260
Look there's a bump on the wall.

3250
02:10:04.319 --> 02:10:05.460
There's another bump on the wall.

3251
02:10:05.520 --> 02:10:06.899
Look at that bump on the wall.

3252
02:10:07.859 --> 02:10:10.020
Back off. is my bump.

3253
02:10:11.399 --> 02:10:13.800
Can you tell me how to do your hair like that?

3254
02:10:14.220 --> 02:10:17.039
Yeah, I mean, it's so big.

3255
02:10:17.100 --> 02:10:20.760
If she's going to be prime minister, if Mary's going to be the

3256
02:10:20.760 --> 02:10:25.380
prime minister when Astrid steps down, she'll need to have her

3257
02:10:25.380 --> 02:10:26.220
hair done like that.

3258
02:10:26.279 --> 02:10:26.579
Yeah.

3259
02:10:27.720 --> 02:10:30.119
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

3260
02:10:31.199 --> 02:10:32.399
Oh, now this is...

3261
02:10:32.460 --> 02:10:33.239
Evil John.

3262
02:10:33.300 --> 02:10:34.260
So hold on.

3263
02:10:34.319 --> 02:10:37.800
This is the room that you can't get into and no one can see into

3264
02:10:37.800 --> 02:10:40.859
and he can just patch it through in one button.

3265
02:10:40.859 --> 02:10:43.079
Oh, no, but he's in collusion.

3266
02:10:43.140 --> 02:10:47.159
Yeah, but it's still just one button, you know. you think someone

3267
02:10:47.159 --> 02:10:48.539
might have pressed that button by accident.

3268
02:10:48.600 --> 02:10:49.739
Exactly, you know.

3269
02:10:49.739 --> 02:10:53.579
It may be a finger nominated. you know, maybe an app.

3270
02:10:53.699 --> 02:10:54.899
Could be touch ID.

3271
02:10:54.960 --> 02:10:58.199
Actually, yeah, we have touch ID now, so I'm hiding in the

3272
02:10:58.199 --> 02:10:58.739
corridor.

3273
02:10:58.800 --> 02:11:00.000
I'm hiding the corridor.

3274
02:11:00.060 --> 02:11:02.819
My ribcage is straining at my turtleneck.

3275
02:11:02.880 --> 02:11:03.539
Oh hello.

3276
02:11:06.659 --> 02:11:08.460
I resign.

3277
02:11:08.520 --> 02:11:09.960
Ah, yes.

3278
02:11:10.020 --> 02:11:13.500
Maguan managed to slim down before they shove it.

3279
02:11:13.560 --> 02:11:15.180
Yes. was always.

3280
02:11:15.180 --> 02:11:16.260
Fit chat.

3281
02:11:16.920 --> 02:11:22.319
He's surprisingly sexy Patrick McGuan. for homophobic

3282
02:11:22.319 --> 02:11:23.100
misogynistic.

3283
02:11:23.399 --> 02:11:26.520
Best mate of Mel Gibson.

3284
02:11:26.640 --> 02:11:27.359
Really?

3285
02:11:27.420 --> 02:11:28.020
Yeah.

3286
02:11:28.079 --> 02:11:31.380
Oh, you know that line when he said, never trust a woman, even the

3287
02:11:31.380 --> 02:11:32.340
four-legged variety.

3288
02:11:32.399 --> 02:11:35.460
Maguan wrote that for that episode of Dance of the Dead because it

3289
02:11:35.460 --> 02:11:36.479
wasn't in the original script.

3290
02:11:36.539 --> 02:11:37.079
Ew.

3291
02:11:37.800 --> 02:11:39.960
And I suppose I really like him.

3292
02:11:40.020 --> 02:11:43.560
I love his work, but yeah, I suppose he We shouldn't idolise our

3293
02:11:43.560 --> 02:11:44.460
idols too much.

3294
02:11:44.520 --> 02:11:48.420
He is the one in Braveheart who mentions that the punishment for

3295
02:11:48.420 --> 02:11:51.840
the gay prince is a red hot poker up the...

3296
02:11:51.899 --> 02:11:54.960
And he was an actor, so he knew what was called. scene setting.

3297
02:11:55.020 --> 02:11:55.680
Method.

3298
02:11:56.159 --> 02:11:58.739
Oh, he said the word tiresome.

3299
02:11:59.039 --> 02:12:00.960
My liars.

3300
02:12:01.020 --> 02:12:03.359
My lawyers will be onto you, Ken.

3301
02:12:03.420 --> 02:12:04.619
Finish the bottle.

3302
02:12:06.420 --> 02:12:08.039
Halt.

3303
02:12:08.100 --> 02:12:10.680
We haven't had a death in a little while.

3304
02:12:10.739 --> 02:12:12.000
I need another death.

3305
02:12:12.060 --> 02:12:13.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

3306
02:12:13.680 --> 02:12:14.399
Oh, no, you know what?

3307
02:12:14.460 --> 02:12:18.000
Swan died about 10 minutes ago. wrong with you?

3308
02:12:18.420 --> 02:12:20.039
10 minutes.

3309
02:12:20.039 --> 02:12:24.060
I need a massacre. those people downstairs.

3310
02:12:24.060 --> 02:12:24.779
Great idea.

3311
02:12:24.840 --> 02:12:25.739
Do you listen?

3312
02:12:25.739 --> 02:12:28.140
Oh, the massacre.

3313
02:12:28.140 --> 02:12:31.020
Just riding is a lovely prize.

3314
02:12:31.439 --> 02:12:34.260
Well, you could do a writing vote, couldn't you?

3315
02:12:34.319 --> 02:12:37.560
Where I say, please put your name, say, you know, screw your

3316
02:12:37.560 --> 02:12:38.100
pole.

3317
02:12:38.159 --> 02:12:40.319
I want to, yeah, he's a massive.

3318
02:12:40.380 --> 02:12:41.520
I want to vote for the NASA.

3319
02:12:42.060 --> 02:12:45.060
So Ryan-ins, they're still available.

3320
02:12:45.899 --> 02:12:47.579
Oh, dear.

3321
02:12:51.300 --> 02:12:53.039
That's pretty good.

3322
02:12:53.100 --> 02:12:55.560
It's a fire extinguisher, as we observe.

3323
02:12:55.619 --> 02:12:56.880
Oh, actually, that is really good.

3324
02:12:56.939 --> 02:12:59.819
That's and that's probably some sort of acetylene.

3325
02:12:59.880 --> 02:13:00.960
Yeah, wow.

3326
02:13:01.020 --> 02:13:03.960
That was before health and safety came along and you weren't

3327
02:13:03.960 --> 02:13:06.840
allowed to risk actors' lives by having them burn bits of the

3328
02:13:06.840 --> 02:13:07.380
set.

3329
02:13:07.439 --> 02:13:08.880
Pretty much.

3330
02:13:08.939 --> 02:13:12.420
Yeah, now you take the shot twice once with the operator using it

3331
02:13:12.420 --> 02:13:14.939
and then composite the actor in.

3332
02:13:16.680 --> 02:13:19.500
You fooly breed.

3333
02:13:21.659 --> 02:13:26.640
I've been with you too many times in the past in this room No, that

3334
02:13:26.640 --> 02:13:28.859
leads to. know what it is.

3335
02:13:28.920 --> 02:13:30.300
Oh, it's a little bolt hole.

3336
02:13:30.359 --> 02:13:33.899
It leads it, oh, camera bump. halfway down the tunnel. leads to a

3337
02:13:33.899 --> 02:13:34.560
Batman angle.

3338
02:13:34.619 --> 02:13:36.899
Not getting in my tunnel again.

3339
02:13:36.960 --> 02:13:41.100
I was here going to Diana Mulder his way down the lift.

3340
02:13:41.159 --> 02:13:41.819
Is that what happened?

3341
02:13:41.939 --> 02:13:43.619
Oh my god, it's Patrick.

3342
02:13:43.680 --> 02:13:44.699
I'd forgotten.

3343
02:13:44.699 --> 02:13:48.479
Oh, look at him actually.

3344
02:13:48.479 --> 02:13:49.800
I'm like, that's wonderful.

3345
02:13:53.520 --> 02:13:55.680
Oh gosh.

3346
02:13:56.100 --> 02:13:58.560
So is he in league with Solomon?

3347
02:13:58.619 --> 02:13:59.699
He's in league with Salamander.

3348
02:13:59.760 --> 02:14:01.859
He took the, he took the, he took Colin and Mary down.

3349
02:14:01.920 --> 02:14:03.420
Colin and Mary are his fault.

3350
02:14:03.840 --> 02:14:05.760
That's why we hate him.

3351
02:14:05.880 --> 02:14:07.020
He needs to die then.

3352
02:14:07.140 --> 02:14:10.079
That's a completely different shock because Colin and Mary have

3353
02:14:10.079 --> 02:14:10.500
disappeared.

3354
02:14:10.560 --> 02:14:15.300
So the studio break, Pat gets back in position.

3355
02:14:15.359 --> 02:14:18.359
Oh, I think it's just, they take, they don't, they take the shot

3356
02:14:18.359 --> 02:14:19.560
again. cameras or mirrors.

3357
02:14:22.920 --> 02:14:24.960
Well, you deserved it, honey.

3358
02:14:31.979 --> 02:14:37.079
Oh, look, oh, look at him acting, bless him.

3359
02:14:37.140 --> 02:14:37.800
He's so good.

3360
02:14:37.859 --> 02:14:41.159
And he does that thing where he turns his lips in on themselves

3361
02:14:41.159 --> 02:14:42.420
when he's angry.

3362
02:14:42.840 --> 02:14:45.840
Yeah, like a salamander.

3363
02:14:47.159 --> 02:14:49.979
The new song by Nicki Minaj.

3364
02:14:51.000 --> 02:14:54.960
I thought you said Nicky Webster.

3365
02:14:55.020 --> 02:14:57.539
She's relaunching her career, you know.

3366
02:14:57.600 --> 02:14:58.979
For Eurovision.

3367
02:14:59.039 --> 02:14:59.460
She's 50.

3368
02:14:59.880 --> 02:15:00.359
What?

3369
02:15:00.420 --> 02:15:01.199
Is she going to be there?

3370
02:15:01.199 --> 02:15:02.760
I have no idea.

3371
02:15:02.819 --> 02:15:03.659
They were announcing it next week.

3372
02:15:03.720 --> 02:15:06.180
She's taking over hosting from Julia Zamira.

3373
02:15:06.239 --> 02:15:07.079
Is she?

3374
02:15:07.140 --> 02:15:08.399
That's sad I have no idea.

3375
02:15:08.460 --> 02:15:09.479
She...

3376
02:15:09.479 --> 02:15:11.039
I'm really not happy about that.

3377
02:15:11.100 --> 02:15:12.659
You're too easy when I do that, darling.

3378
02:15:12.720 --> 02:15:14.220
Never believe me.

3379
02:15:14.279 --> 02:15:18.180
But I believe you because you're believable in these podcasts.

3380
02:15:18.479 --> 02:15:19.979
Others.

3381
02:15:20.699 --> 02:15:23.640
Oh, I love the mop up. is great.

3382
02:15:24.239 --> 02:15:25.920
I'd be scared.

3383
02:15:25.979 --> 02:15:27.600
I demand a trial.

3384
02:15:27.659 --> 02:15:28.260
Okay.

3385
02:15:28.319 --> 02:15:30.060
A trial of a time lord.

3386
02:15:30.180 --> 02:15:32.159
Trial by combat.

3387
02:15:32.220 --> 02:15:34.680
You have to find Haththorpe Bjorn.

3388
02:15:34.800 --> 02:15:38.220
I wonder why Colin Dagnas disliked recording this or working on

3389
02:15:38.220 --> 02:15:38.760
this.

3390
02:15:38.819 --> 02:15:39.659
You thought it was kids TV.

3391
02:15:39.720 --> 02:15:40.439
I thought it was beneath him.

3392
02:15:40.500 --> 02:15:41.819
But did he have fun?

3393
02:15:41.880 --> 02:15:42.899
He doesn't die?

3394
02:15:43.020 --> 02:15:44.760
I don't think he does.

3395
02:15:44.819 --> 02:15:45.720
No. not in this.

3396
02:15:45.779 --> 02:15:47.039
He dies as Reuben.

3397
02:15:47.100 --> 02:15:48.479
He dies as Reuben twice.

3398
02:15:48.960 --> 02:15:50.579
No, no, no.

3399
02:15:50.640 --> 02:15:53.579
I talk about... the nasty little man.

3400
02:15:53.640 --> 02:15:58.140
Ah, no, no, no, he gets taken away for a trial because Bruce is a

3401
02:15:58.140 --> 02:15:58.859
decent guy.

3402
02:15:58.920 --> 02:15:59.279
Yeah.

3403
02:15:59.699 --> 02:16:04.500
I've got to admit, if you're inside the maze during this

3404
02:16:04.500 --> 02:16:06.420
production, It does feel like a rat maze.

3405
02:16:06.479 --> 02:16:08.399
You wouldn't see how good it is.

3406
02:16:08.460 --> 02:16:10.680
You've got to actually stand back and see the whole thing put

3407
02:16:10.680 --> 02:16:11.760
together, then just.

3408
02:16:11.939 --> 02:16:16.920
How clever to be lampooning. what they're actually making, but

3409
02:16:16.920 --> 02:16:17.699
yeah they really were.

3410
02:16:19.500 --> 02:16:20.939
Ah.

3411
02:16:24.000 --> 02:16:26.220
That's twice he's been called a fool in 5 minutes.

3412
02:16:26.279 --> 02:16:27.779
That's not going to be good for his ego.

3413
02:16:27.840 --> 02:16:28.560
Yeah, poor guy.

3414
02:16:28.619 --> 02:16:32.819
So yes, we have this lovely scene between Salamander and Kent.

3415
02:16:33.360 --> 02:16:38.760
For a 2nd I thought it was the doctor because the message...

3416
02:16:42.360 --> 02:16:45.120
And he's more, as you know, Bob.

3417
02:16:45.239 --> 02:16:47.280
I just came.

3418
02:16:48.600 --> 02:16:51.120
I didn't know it was a gay love story.

3419
02:16:51.180 --> 02:16:52.139
You and me?

3420
02:16:52.200 --> 02:16:53.280
It kind of works that way.

3421
02:16:53.340 --> 02:16:56.940
Well, they've been alone in that room too many times and we know

3422
02:16:56.940 --> 02:17:00.299
where that leads. not the man I'm in.

3423
02:17:00.840 --> 02:17:05.520
Oh, and it's wonderful seeing... at shooting someone. want to do

3424
02:17:05.520 --> 02:17:06.360
this for quite a while.

3425
02:17:06.420 --> 02:17:07.200
Sorry, Todd.

3426
02:17:08.340 --> 02:17:10.319
Not in the bum.

3427
02:17:10.680 --> 02:17:12.299
Not again.

3428
02:17:13.020 --> 02:17:17.100
I think Bill Kurt deliberately trying to make every rock wall

3429
02:17:17.100 --> 02:17:17.760
wobble there.

3430
02:17:17.819 --> 02:17:18.180
Yeah.

3431
02:17:18.180 --> 02:17:22.979
Oh. tomato sauce, though.

3432
02:17:26.280 --> 02:17:30.659
As if there wasn't enough reasons to love Mary Peach, she brought

3433
02:17:30.659 --> 02:17:34.079
in her 2 young children to meet Patrick Troughton because they

3434
02:17:34.079 --> 02:17:37.200
loved watching Doctor Who, but they were scared of the show.

3435
02:17:37.260 --> 02:17:38.760
So they're like, no, look.

3436
02:17:38.760 --> 02:17:40.139
So they got to watch this scene.

3437
02:17:43.200 --> 02:17:47.700
And that jump from a mid-shot to a close-up with essentially the

3438
02:17:47.700 --> 02:17:48.059
same angle.

3439
02:17:48.120 --> 02:17:50.700
But yeah, you know, you don't see that in Doctor Who.

3440
02:17:50.760 --> 02:17:51.659
No, you don't.

3441
02:17:51.659 --> 02:17:52.920
Gee, he's hanging along.

3442
02:17:52.920 --> 02:17:55.440
Here's some enormous leaders I've prepared earlier.

3443
02:17:56.579 --> 02:17:59.399
Oh, so Salamander's dead, obviously.

3444
02:17:59.459 --> 02:18:00.180
All screaming.

3445
02:18:00.239 --> 02:18:05.340
And Mary's falling and these 2 and there they go.

3446
02:18:05.399 --> 02:18:07.739
They disappear from the story, don't they?

3447
02:18:07.799 --> 02:18:08.399
Do we see them again?

3448
02:18:08.459 --> 02:18:09.659
No, no, we see them against it.

3449
02:18:09.719 --> 02:18:10.139
Are you sure?

3450
02:18:10.739 --> 02:18:12.360
Oh, actually, yeah, that might be the last shot.

3451
02:18:12.420 --> 02:18:13.020
They're gone.

3452
02:18:16.200 --> 02:18:22.440
John. what about, man, leave Mary and Colin.

3453
02:18:22.500 --> 02:18:24.899
This story just gets better and better.

3454
02:18:24.959 --> 02:18:31.620
If, if, if I may quote Stephen Caldwell discussing your death in

3455
02:18:31.620 --> 02:18:34.200
there's something about Magnus, the guy who drained me, leave him

3456
02:18:34.200 --> 02:18:34.500
leave him.

3457
02:18:34.559 --> 02:18:36.120
He's a vegetable anyway, leave him.

3458
02:18:39.780 --> 02:18:45.000
Now, this was added in by at Barry Let's request because he's like

3459
02:18:45.000 --> 02:18:45.479
hold on.

3460
02:18:45.540 --> 02:18:47.639
We've left all these people.

3461
02:18:47.700 --> 02:18:51.059
But we've forgotten about Colin and Mary, who are still under that

3462
02:18:51.059 --> 02:18:54.000
polystyrene thing over there.

3463
02:18:54.059 --> 02:18:56.819
Oh, that's something landed on them there and on the...

3464
02:18:56.940 --> 02:18:58.620
That it. what happened to them. lying on the ground.

3465
02:18:58.739 --> 02:18:59.520
Were they there with?

3466
02:19:00.180 --> 02:19:00.719
Yeah they were.

3467
02:19:00.780 --> 02:19:02.459
So they were killed because they're not getting up.

3468
02:19:02.520 --> 02:19:04.020
They just never get mentioned again.

3469
02:19:04.079 --> 02:19:05.040
Good vanish.

3470
02:19:06.239 --> 02:19:09.719
Men out there, young men are dying for it.

3471
02:19:09.780 --> 02:19:12.420
Do you know, I think that they probably end up becoming popular

3472
02:19:12.420 --> 02:19:16.680
children's television presenters, Colin and Mary, after this is

3473
02:19:16.680 --> 02:19:16.979
all over.

3474
02:19:17.520 --> 02:19:22.020
Oh, maybe they're taking over the SBS Eurovision coverage.

3475
02:19:22.139 --> 02:19:24.239
Now, maybe they are.

3476
02:19:24.299 --> 02:19:27.239
This shot here, the boot.

3477
02:19:27.299 --> 02:19:31.260
I can't see him, but the boom operator is actually in shot because

3478
02:19:31.260 --> 02:19:37.020
he had to get close, but they they lit it in such a way and

3479
02:19:37.020 --> 02:19:38.399
dressed him completely in black.

3480
02:19:38.459 --> 02:19:40.739
I think he's actually there on the left that you can only just

3481
02:19:40.739 --> 02:19:41.520
make out his foot.

3482
02:19:41.579 --> 02:19:45.000
Like, it's, it's an amazing piece.

3483
02:19:45.059 --> 02:19:46.440
I love during the Tartis's lip.

3484
02:19:46.500 --> 02:19:49.139
This is very strange though, this scene, isn't it?

3485
02:19:49.200 --> 02:19:51.659
Because we jump like we don't.

3486
02:19:51.719 --> 02:19:54.299
Yeah, straight, straight went back, didn't they, and waited for

3487
02:19:54.299 --> 02:19:55.079
him in the dark?

3488
02:19:55.139 --> 02:19:56.399
So it was sort of set up.

3489
02:19:56.520 --> 02:19:57.659
And this is strange.

3490
02:19:57.719 --> 02:19:59.639
And this was supposed to be longer, but they had problems with the

3491
02:19:59.639 --> 02:20:01.200
equipment for the spit screen.

3492
02:20:01.260 --> 02:20:04.920
Yeah, they for the split screen, they recorded it with the other

3493
02:20:04.920 --> 02:20:09.959
side masked off and then some of the some of the footage jammed.

3494
02:20:10.020 --> 02:20:11.459
So they lost footage that way.

3495
02:20:11.520 --> 02:20:14.040
But Barry Letts later discovered that he shouldn't have actually

3496
02:20:14.040 --> 02:20:20.100
masked off half the frame, just lock the frame and then shoot it

3497
02:20:20.100 --> 02:20:20.399
again.

3498
02:20:20.399 --> 02:20:21.420
And then shoot it again.

3499
02:20:21.479 --> 02:20:21.719
Yeah.

3500
02:20:21.780 --> 02:20:23.940
But yeah, he does pretty well.

3501
02:20:24.000 --> 02:20:27.299
But this was the big scene where he decided, okay, in future, I

3502
02:20:27.299 --> 02:20:30.180
will shoot more than I need because he had it. had real trouble

3503
02:20:30.180 --> 02:20:30.840
editing.

3504
02:20:30.899 --> 02:20:33.540
Um, making sure it was good.

3505
02:20:34.139 --> 02:20:38.219
The long, the long shot double behind doubles and whatnot is again

3506
02:20:38.219 --> 02:20:38.879
Peter Diamond.

3507
02:20:38.940 --> 02:20:40.319
Yes.

3508
02:20:40.379 --> 02:20:44.340
And oh, Pat is just so good against himself.

3509
02:20:44.399 --> 02:20:45.180
So good.

3510
02:20:45.780 --> 02:20:49.559
Oh, and that's glorious.

3511
02:20:49.620 --> 02:20:51.299
And that's really the only shot.

3512
02:20:51.360 --> 02:20:54.780
Oh, yeah, that's the only shot where they're at.

3513
02:20:54.899 --> 02:20:57.719
But it's not it's not split screen down the middle sort of

3514
02:20:57.719 --> 02:20:59.700
vertically.

3515
02:20:59.760 --> 02:21:00.719
Whishing.

3516
02:21:02.159 --> 02:21:04.079
That's fantastic.

3517
02:21:04.139 --> 02:21:04.920
Yep.

3518
02:21:05.040 --> 02:21:07.440
And that's Peter Diamond as well.

3519
02:21:07.500 --> 02:21:07.860
Wow.

3520
02:21:07.920 --> 02:21:09.180
Fantastic.

3521
02:21:09.840 --> 02:21:11.579
And...

3522
02:21:11.579 --> 02:21:12.780
Diamonds are forever.

3523
02:21:12.840 --> 02:21:13.200
Wow.

3524
02:21:13.200 --> 02:21:17.579
What a lovely, lovely way. and again.

3525
02:21:17.639 --> 02:21:18.659
But don't worry, he's okay.

3526
02:21:18.719 --> 02:21:21.540
He returns to Vic's, John Purwee, in the comics.

3527
02:21:22.319 --> 02:21:24.120
So that was that.

3528
02:21:24.180 --> 02:21:24.659
Yeah.

3529
02:21:24.659 --> 02:21:26.399
Do you have announcements for it?

3530
02:21:26.459 --> 02:21:31.500
Um, yes, we are going to be taking a short break of about a month

3531
02:21:31.500 --> 02:21:36.299
um, because we have very special things planned for Colin.

3532
02:21:36.360 --> 02:21:38.399
Of course, we have our big finish special.

3533
02:21:38.459 --> 02:21:40.680
We have trial of a time mode.

3534
02:21:40.739 --> 02:21:42.659
We have another special that we're planning.

3535
02:21:42.719 --> 02:21:45.899
We have our lost episodes um episode as well.

3536
02:21:45.959 --> 02:21:48.299
So basically we want to make sure we have them all in the can

3537
02:21:48.299 --> 02:21:50.760
before we start releasing.

3538
02:21:50.760 --> 02:21:55.979
Because also there's Richard, you're going to be in some of those

3539
02:21:55.979 --> 02:21:57.180
and not others.

3540
02:21:57.239 --> 02:22:02.459
And so, you know, we just have to, uh, and of course, um, we are

3541
02:22:02.459 --> 02:22:06.840
now going to announce our John.

3542
02:22:06.899 --> 02:22:08.040
Are we going to do that?

3543
02:22:08.100 --> 02:22:13.260
And of course, when we do come back for trial of a time, Lord.

3544
02:22:13.379 --> 02:22:14.940
Our 1st episode back.

3545
02:22:15.600 --> 02:22:17.040
Sorry.

3546
02:22:17.100 --> 02:22:19.739
When we do come back, that's when we'll announce what the John

3547
02:22:19.739 --> 02:22:23.520
Perti commentary is going to be at the end of call. will have won

3548
02:22:23.520 --> 02:22:26.760
the lovely prizes kindly donated by Greg Miller, friend of the

3549
02:22:26.760 --> 02:22:27.059
podcast.

3550
02:22:27.120 --> 02:22:32.579
Richard, beautiful David Howe illustrated book of On Target was

3551
02:22:32.579 --> 02:22:36.239
the steaming love story between Philip Hinchcliffe and Patrick

3552
02:22:36.239 --> 02:22:39.479
Mowat on the making of the Target TV series.

3553
02:22:39.540 --> 02:22:43.739
And we also have the lovely, what's the other stupid thing he gave

3554
02:22:43.739 --> 02:22:43.920
us?

3555
02:22:43.979 --> 02:22:46.440
Oh, yes, wave of destruction.

3556
02:22:46.500 --> 02:22:51.120
The entire history of Tom getting the curling ones done to him by

3557
02:22:51.120 --> 02:22:54.659
J and T. So we have both of those lovely things that will go to

3558
02:22:54.659 --> 02:22:57.360
some dear listener who has actually bothered to bloody vote.

3559
02:22:57.420 --> 02:22:59.159
So we don't know who they are.

3560
02:22:59.280 --> 02:22:59.760
Don't we?

3561
02:22:59.819 --> 02:23:01.139
Well, we've got your ISP numbers.

3562
02:23:01.200 --> 02:23:01.979
We know who you are.

3563
02:23:02.040 --> 02:23:04.440
But yeah, just write just write in and say something lovely and

3564
02:23:04.440 --> 02:23:08.040
we'll decide who we like and give it to you that way. randomly.

3565
02:23:08.280 --> 02:23:13.440
I don't know how it's going to happen, but we're going to have a

3566
02:23:13.440 --> 02:23:17.579
Facebook post and we'll and reply to that.

3567
02:23:17.639 --> 02:23:19.020
I think it's going to be a...

3568
02:23:19.139 --> 02:23:21.420
I think it's going to be a caption competition, isn't it, Richard?

3569
02:23:21.479 --> 02:23:23.219
Yeah, I have a photograph you've already asked.

3570
02:23:23.280 --> 02:23:24.299
So timy, yeah.

3571
02:23:24.360 --> 02:23:25.979
So I've already won it.

3572
02:23:26.040 --> 02:23:30.600
So anyway, it's a caption competition and we'll just and we'll

3573
02:23:30.600 --> 02:23:32.579
announce when that's finished well.

3574
02:23:32.639 --> 02:23:35.280
We're recording this on the Mardi Gras weekend and the picture is

3575
02:23:35.280 --> 02:23:37.319
going up this weekend, so you'll have seen it already.

3576
02:23:37.379 --> 02:23:38.280
It's terrific.

3577
02:23:38.340 --> 02:23:42.120
So we might Facebook and Twitter. that.

3578
02:23:42.239 --> 02:23:43.680
Yes, yeah.

3579
02:23:43.739 --> 02:23:46.319
And yeah, we will...

3580
02:23:46.379 --> 02:23:50.459
We'll get all your responses together and using an entirely

3581
02:23:50.459 --> 02:23:52.559
scientific principle of shouting at each other.

3582
02:23:52.620 --> 02:23:55.920
We will come to a consensus and prizes will be won.

3583
02:23:56.579 --> 02:24:00.959
But yes, we will now be off for a few weeks.

3584
02:24:02.100 --> 02:24:03.959
In the meantime.

3585
02:24:04.020 --> 02:24:06.059
Because Brenton can't be asked.

3586
02:24:06.120 --> 02:24:08.819
I just bought a Nintendo Switch.

3587
02:24:08.879 --> 02:24:11.340
I don't have time for this.

3588
02:24:13.440 --> 02:24:15.780
Sucking on the battery all morning.

3589
02:24:15.840 --> 02:24:16.860
That's why I so bitter.

3590
02:24:19.920 --> 02:24:20.940
Sorry listeners.

3591
02:24:21.000 --> 02:24:24.719
In the meantime, do check out our website, flightthroughentirety

3592
02:24:23.399 --> 02:24:27.120
sexy flight through indicting on Facebook and iTunes and at FT

3593
02:24:27.120 --> 02:24:28.139
podcast on Twitter.

3594
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Over on Bondfinger this weekend.

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We are finally starting the Timothy Dalton era of Bond with the

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Living Daylights.

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So check that out on bondfinger.com.

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Bond Finger on Facebook iTunes Bond Finger cast on Twitter.

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Until then, may none of your salamanders blow up a volcano.

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Thank you very much for listening and good night.

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Good night.

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See you soon.

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Good everyone.