WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 13:44:20 1 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:33.659 Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety. 2 00:00:33.719 --> 00:00:38.640 The only Doctor Who podcast you can have as many as six husbands, but they're not all necessarily ours. 3 00:00:38.700 --> 00:00:39.299 I'm Brendan. 4 00:00:39.359 --> 00:00:40.200 I'm Nathan. 5 00:00:40.259 --> 00:00:41.159 I'm Don. 6 00:00:41.219 --> 00:00:44.880 And it's gonna be a trial for you and for us. 7 00:00:44.939 --> 00:00:48.479 It's the mysterious planet, the 1st part of Trial of a Time Lord. 8 00:01:30.659 --> 00:01:33.840 So welcome to Trial of a Time Lord. 9 00:01:33.900 --> 00:01:36.239 Episodes one to four. 10 00:01:36.359 --> 00:01:51.120 I've talked before about the fact that things working against the show and a lot of decisions were made that just a culmination of a series of errors that were just going to get worse and worse. 11 00:01:51.180 --> 00:01:54.959 So here at this point, we've had 18 months off the air. 12 00:01:55.019 --> 00:01:57.239 The BBC are not supporting the show. 13 00:01:57.299 --> 00:02:11.219 If you actually watch the extras on trial of the time load, there's some interviews with various people, um, Eric Seywood, Michael Grade and Jonathan Powell, I think head of drama, and it's obvious that he doesn't like the show. 14 00:02:11.280 --> 00:02:14.639 They've done absolutely nothing to replace the production team. 15 00:02:14.699 --> 00:02:16.020 Interesting. 16 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:21.000 Eric Seward says that he and Jonathan Turner were talking about a theme for the new season. 17 00:02:21.180 --> 00:02:24.780 Which is always not a good thing. 18 00:02:24.900 --> 00:02:26.759 Key to time was a good thing. 19 00:02:26.819 --> 00:02:31.139 But a way of alienating perhaps the audience if you've got a theme going on. 20 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:36.539 And of course, during those discussions, then word came through that they were getting a reduced number of episodes. 21 00:02:36.900 --> 00:02:43.620 So, Eric says in his interview. that he's trying to think of the theme. 22 00:02:43.680 --> 00:02:49.020 So he's talking to his partner, June, or she's one of the production people in the doctor office. 23 00:02:49.020 --> 00:03:02.819 And just like what happened with the Oscars recently, you know how Warren Beatty just didn't know quite what was going on and just gave the envelope the best film to Faye Dunaway and threw her under the bus. 24 00:03:02.939 --> 00:03:04.259 Here in this interview. 25 00:03:04.319 --> 00:03:08.340 He just throws June under the bus because she says to him, what's going on in the show? 26 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:09.539 And he goes, well, we're on trial. 27 00:03:09.599 --> 00:03:13.379 And she goes, well, there, you've got your theme, the trial of a timelord. 28 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:16.259 So in 1000 swoop in this interview, if you watch it. 29 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:19.020 He's blaming somebody else for this. 30 00:03:19.080 --> 00:03:24.419 Anyway, he takes this wonderful idea of the trial to John Nathan Turner. 31 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:35.099 Now, of course, what they've done before is every season they look back at something in the past and they try and outdo it from gazillion years ago. 32 00:03:35.159 --> 00:03:40.259 So here we put the drop draw on trial for 14 weeks, we can have the longest running story in the history of the show. 33 00:03:40.319 --> 00:03:45.780 And even by episode three, JNT kind of thought, maybe this was a bad idea. 34 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:58.259 So we start getting recaps during the continuity announcements. which, of course, means that the continuity announcer can't pronounce things like Thorus Peter, but they are present on the DVD as well. 35 00:03:58.319 --> 00:04:00.960 It just proves that John should have gone. 36 00:04:01.020 --> 00:04:01.680 Right? 37 00:04:01.740 --> 00:04:02.340 as producer. 38 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:03.719 You're off there for 18 months. 39 00:04:03.780 --> 00:04:07.800 What you actually need is you need to have like more than one night only. 40 00:04:07.860 --> 00:04:09.780 By doing 14 episodes story. 41 00:04:09.840 --> 00:04:10.979 Youve got one night to capture everybody. 42 00:04:11.039 --> 00:04:18.660 What, you know, you want to be able to have different stories so that if something doesn't work, then you've got a new night. 43 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:23.579 Whereas here everything is about, yes, it's a new episode of the trial or a new segment of the trial, right? 44 00:04:23.639 --> 00:04:34.019 And then, of course, Eric's fleshing this out with the wonderful idea based on the Christmas Carol, that we'll have one in the past, one in the present, and one in the future, in terms of evidence. 45 00:04:34.139 --> 00:04:36.720 Well, how does that actually work, Eric, like the future? 46 00:04:36.779 --> 00:04:38.279 Does that mean the doctor actually has a future? 47 00:04:38.339 --> 00:04:40.379 And, well, what about the past? 48 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:44.459 Why would you just show something recent when you've got 23 years of Doctor Who to actually do clips from? 49 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:46.680 And who's actually putting the doctor on trial? 50 00:04:46.740 --> 00:04:48.180 Spoiler alert people. 51 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:55.860 It's actually the time lords, and it's a specific time lord, which is actually what an amalgamation of the doctor's 12th and 13th in between his lives. 52 00:04:55.920 --> 00:04:56.639 How does that work? 53 00:04:56.699 --> 00:04:57.899 Please explain that to me. 54 00:04:58.019 --> 00:05:02.519 But you know, we're going to do a trial because, you know, Eric's written so many trial dramas before. 55 00:05:02.579 --> 00:05:06.300 And we're going to take this up to Jonathan Powell, who actually approves it. 56 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:09.899 And then you would think, well, okay, we're going ahead with this concept. 57 00:05:09.959 --> 00:05:16.079 Maybe we should write the whole thing and get everything scripted before we start so we know it's going to work. 58 00:05:16.139 --> 00:05:27.240 And so the whole thing is a huge giant disaster when, of course, Eric Say would eventually leaves taking his script for episode 14 with him. 59 00:05:27.300 --> 00:05:30.180 Which is a blessing, really, because it's all terrible. 60 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:33.300 And it becomes clear that no one really knows what's going on. 61 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:35.459 So the whole thing is a massive misfire. 62 00:05:35.519 --> 00:05:40.199 And the DVD extra that you refer to, Todd, is called trials and tribulations. 63 00:05:40.259 --> 00:05:44.579 And I actually think that it is one of the best DVD extras in the entire range. 64 00:05:44.639 --> 00:05:56.220 I've spoken perhaps about the incredible hour long documentary that accompanies Doctor Who and the Silurians, which I think is a brilliant, brilliant documentary and something that we're lucky to have. 65 00:05:56.279 --> 00:05:59.279 And the DVD range has other just occasional gems. 66 00:05:59.339 --> 00:06:01.019 And I think this is remarkable. 67 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:10.620 And I think one of the most telling things about it is that Seward thinks that Jonathan Powell doesn't like the show for no reason at all. 68 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:21.360 And it's pretty clear to me that he doesn't like the show because it's not very good in his opinion and he's the head of drama at the BBC. 69 00:06:21.420 --> 00:06:32.639 And what happens is he looks at the scripts for episodes one to 4 and then sends them back with notes, and those notes survive and you actually see those notes on screen. 70 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:40.560 And all of the things that he says, and I encourage you to put the DVD on and press the pause button at this point, because you can actually read them. 71 00:06:40.620 --> 00:06:42.300 And all of the things that he says. 72 00:06:42.420 --> 00:06:46.019 He's actually identifying bits of the plot that don't work. 73 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:48.660 And he's kind of right about it. 74 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:53.879 Isn't that he's just set against the program for no reason because he's mean? 75 00:06:53.939 --> 00:06:59.579 He's kind of set against the program because he has strong opinions about what makes drama work. 76 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:06.420 And he kind of has an idea and all of the points that he makes are flaws in the story. 77 00:07:06.420 --> 00:07:19.019 And in particular, the framing story with the sleepers and all of that, which is meant to play into the greater trial, but doesn't properly because no one who's making the show has any idea about what the greater trial is actually going to do. 78 00:07:19.259 --> 00:07:21.779 All of those points are right. 79 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:29.339 And so we're in a terrible situation, I think, where we've been cancelled for 18 months. 80 00:07:29.399 --> 00:07:34.860 And we had the opportunity to go back to the drawing board and think about what's not been working. 81 00:07:35.220 --> 00:07:40.920 But we don't have enough talent or insight to work out what that is. 82 00:07:40.980 --> 00:07:42.720 And in fact, we double down on it. 83 00:07:42.779 --> 00:07:45.779 And I've said before, I hate the Time Lords. 84 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:49.439 I think they're terrible, they kill any story, stone dead. 85 00:07:49.500 --> 00:07:54.360 And here we're going to have 12 weeks of time lords, fools in stupid hats. 86 00:07:54.420 --> 00:08:00.060 It's a big misstep and it's not why people tune in for Doctor Who. 87 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:02.279 Now, that doesn't mean that I think the whole season's a failure. 88 00:08:02.339 --> 00:08:03.600 I think there are things that I like about it. 89 00:08:03.660 --> 00:08:12.660 I watch it, you know, every so often with enjoyment, but I just think the whole trial thing is just a huge fundamental stumble. 90 00:08:12.720 --> 00:08:13.740 It's a big mistake. 91 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:25.740 And even going further back, Eric say would on this documentary trials and tribulations does say upfront, I'd just done Revelation of the Daleks and I should have left. 92 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:27.660 I should have left after doing revelation. 93 00:08:27.720 --> 00:08:39.899 And I think if he had, and especially we hadn't had that meltdown interview, that he conducts where he just throws everyone else on the production under the bus and how terrible it was for him. 94 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:40.740 And you know what? 95 00:08:40.740 --> 00:08:44.399 I am sure at that point it was a toxic environment for him to work in. 96 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:50.220 But I don't think what's gone wrong is all one person's fault, you know what I mean? 97 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:59.759 I think if Eric had left after a revelation of the Daleks and we had a new script editor to hear, that he would be a lot more fondly remembered, and this would have gone a lot better. 98 00:08:59.820 --> 00:09:02.220 John Nathan Turner didn't want to be there anymore. 99 00:09:02.279 --> 00:09:04.679 He stayed on for 2 reasons. 100 00:09:04.740 --> 00:09:11.519 One, he was a staff producer at the BBC and he was one of the last ones and they refused to find him another show to go on to. 101 00:09:11.580 --> 00:09:15.659 And Jonathan Powell says on that documentary there was no show to move John on to. 102 00:09:15.720 --> 00:09:18.059 Whether that's true or not I don't know. 103 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:23.519 Jonathan Powell also says no one else was putting up their hand for Doctor Who, and that is a lie. 104 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:36.059 Because I have recently discovered that an ex-writer for the show wrote to John Nathan Turner offering to replace him on the show if John had something else to move on to. 105 00:09:36.120 --> 00:09:37.139 Who was that? 106 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:38.940 Terence Dudley. 107 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:43.139 We could have had Terrence Dudley as the producer of Doctor Who. 108 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:45.240 So remember when he was almost Verity Landit? 109 00:09:45.299 --> 00:09:54.720 That's right, I'm explored by this fact because all I can think of is the doors in in Sarah Jane's spinoff, canine and company. 110 00:09:54.779 --> 00:09:58.200 There would have been a lot of phones, a lot of doors, you know, that kind of thing. 111 00:09:58.259 --> 00:10:00.120 Yeah, so we almost got T-Duds. 112 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:01.080 So it's even worse. 113 00:10:01.860 --> 00:10:03.840 This is the thing, you know? 114 00:10:03.899 --> 00:10:10.500 The show gets put on suspension and John feels like he can't leave or just can't leave because, you know, he's responsible. 115 00:10:10.620 --> 00:10:16.740 Eric feels like, well, he should be going, but he can't leave because he needs to help the show continue. 116 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:22.860 And so it's just these decisions, you know, if John had been stronger, he may have turned around to Eric and say, look, we need a new script editor. 117 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:24.000 I need to find somebody else goodbye. 118 00:10:24.059 --> 00:10:28.559 But, you know, John's coming back, you know, we've been away for 18 months. 119 00:10:28.620 --> 00:10:34.320 This would mean the perfect time for a brand new title sequence because we've had this Starfield effect for God knows how long. 120 00:10:34.379 --> 00:10:37.799 Maybe, and also to get rid of Colin's coat and change it. 121 00:10:37.860 --> 00:10:43.919 But of course, he's so locked into his ideas that each doctor has to have their own title sequence, their own costume. 122 00:10:43.980 --> 00:10:49.740 I mean, you look at John and Tom and how their outfit changes every single season in between stories. 123 00:10:49.799 --> 00:10:51.600 And so none of that occurs. 124 00:10:51.659 --> 00:11:04.919 You know, I think Eric loses started the fact that, you know, we want to make this about a better relationship between Perry and the doctor, which does occur in this story, but then in the very next adventure, they're going to have the matrix lying and having the doctor do cruel things. 125 00:11:04.980 --> 00:11:06.360 I mean, how does that work, you know? 126 00:11:06.419 --> 00:11:09.600 Have you actually thought about how Perry is actually going to leave? 127 00:11:09.659 --> 00:11:12.899 This woman, and she's now a beautiful woman, a mature woman. 128 00:11:12.960 --> 00:11:24.779 A couple of years ago, has been disappeared from earth, whether she drowned or some people on a beach in Majorca, saw her being carted off by some guy into a blue box that she been captured. 129 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:26.700 What is Perry's ultimate fate going to be? 130 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:28.019 Have actually thought these things through? 131 00:11:28.139 --> 00:11:32.039 I agree with you that the whole thing is a miscalculation. 132 00:11:32.100 --> 00:11:38.279 And at some point, Eric should have had enough guts to say this is not working in script, we need to jettison it, but that never happened. 133 00:11:38.340 --> 00:11:42.840 I don't think he saw a problem with it, and that's what he seems to say on a documentary. 134 00:11:42.899 --> 00:11:44.100 I don't think he thinks it's bad. 135 00:11:44.159 --> 00:11:48.000 Eric's catch cry on these documentaries and it comes up quite a bit. 136 00:11:48.059 --> 00:11:53.519 You can make a drinking game out of it is, he says, some variation on it worked when it left my desk. 137 00:11:53.639 --> 00:11:59.159 So in, you know, at that point, he's saying it's the director's fault and it's the actor's fault. 138 00:11:59.220 --> 00:12:10.080 And I think there are some cases in Doctor Who, where you might be able to say that, where you might be able to look at a performance and say there is nothing wrong with this dialogue, but the actor is not giving a good performance. 139 00:12:10.440 --> 00:12:12.600 Jill Tarrant anyone. 140 00:12:12.659 --> 00:12:18.240 But to say that about a whole season, to say that about 4 whole years of Doctor Who. 141 00:12:18.299 --> 00:12:20.820 That is not a fair criticism. 142 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:23.100 And that is not a self-aware criticism, no. 143 00:12:23.159 --> 00:12:24.419 But let's think about this, okay? 144 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:26.700 We've got a courtroom for the trial for 14 episodes. 145 00:12:26.759 --> 00:12:32.460 Surely you would decide, well, if we're going to have a courtroom, we've got to make this courtroom feel real. 146 00:12:32.519 --> 00:12:33.419 We're going to think about the doctor. 147 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:37.740 I detest beyond all belief, the courtroom set. 148 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:44.039 You've got the doctor in a small box on one side, the value on another, and basically the inquisitor is on a ramp, right? 149 00:12:44.100 --> 00:12:48.960 And it's in the one side of the studio, you know, up to this video monitor. 150 00:12:49.019 --> 00:12:58.080 Now, I guess it's just me. used to American courtroom dramas where you've got the judge at the back and you've got a big space between where the prosecution and the defences. 151 00:12:58.139 --> 00:12:58.919 You've got people behind. 152 00:12:58.980 --> 00:13:07.019 You've got the jury down one side and you've got a big space where if they're making arguments, they can walk up and down and you can have witnesses in a witness box, right? 153 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:12.120 But none of this, which I consider to be in a courtroom trial is actually going to happen, you know? 154 00:13:12.179 --> 00:13:17.759 And so, We're limiting ourselves by, you know, by this concept of what it looks like. 155 00:13:17.820 --> 00:13:32.519 Now, I realise that it looks like a lot of now that I've seen a lot of British shows, like a lot of British shows, the actual courtrooms in Britain are much closer together than American ones, but I just have a problem with, well, but I think it's a corner of the studio. 156 00:13:32.580 --> 00:13:34.679 I think the courtroom looks plasticky. 157 00:13:34.740 --> 00:13:36.899 There's an attempt to make it look gothic. 158 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:46.200 There's sort of Gothic arches and things, but this story, in particular, you go from a really impressive initial model shot to a really sort of wobbly cardboard set. 159 00:13:46.259 --> 00:14:07.679 And, and, you know, the fact of the matter is the courtroom is, you know, their big concept, but basically what they do is just cough up 3 fairly standard Doctor Who stories, which are, you know, slowed down and constantly interrupted by pretty inconsequential and boring scenes, culminating in their sort of big two-part story, which is supposed to cap it off. 160 00:14:07.740 --> 00:14:14.039 But the courtroom drama is really so undercooked, that it's not really what they're doing. 161 00:14:14.100 --> 00:14:20.580 You know, they think they're putting the doctor on trial, but all they're doing is having a sort of Greek chorus over business as usual. 162 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:22.679 Yeah, they're doing what we're doing. 163 00:14:22.740 --> 00:14:24.960 The show should be better than this. 164 00:14:25.019 --> 00:14:29.759 There's lines of dialogue that the doctor says, you know, wake me when this is over and other things. 165 00:14:29.879 --> 00:14:30.899 Oh, it doesn't help. 166 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:35.580 And they have no idea that by him actually saying these things about what's going on. 167 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:39.659 It's a judgement within the actual show that we're seeing on the show. 168 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:43.019 Yeah, Colin says he was aware about this and questioned this. 169 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:49.440 He says this on the documentary that as soon as he heard that this season was going to be a trial before he even started getting scripts. 170 00:14:49.500 --> 00:14:51.299 He said to JNT, this sounds risky. 171 00:14:51.360 --> 00:14:56.399 You know, it sounds risky to parody this element of ourselves, and I agree with him. 172 00:14:56.460 --> 00:15:10.559 My big problem with the courtroom scenes is, It's just the 4 pedestal cameras, so one wide shot, one close up for the 3 speaking leads, the doctor, the inquisitor, the valley yard, and you just cut between those. 173 00:15:10.620 --> 00:15:11.820 There's no visual flair. 174 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:16.679 And I think part of that is we've got 3 directors having to work with this courtroom. 175 00:15:16.740 --> 00:15:18.960 We've got Nicholas Mallet for the 1st story. 176 00:15:19.019 --> 00:15:24.299 We've got Ron Jones for the 2nd story, and we have Chris Gloff coming in for the last two. 177 00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:33.299 And so rather than try and put their sort of directorial stamp on it, they all go middle of the road so it all matches up. 178 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:44.100 I think what the trial scenes needed is they needed a dedicated director to think, how am I going to make this 3 wall proscenium arch set look interesting? 179 00:15:44.159 --> 00:15:47.399 And the 1st thing would have been to turn the lights down. 180 00:15:47.460 --> 00:15:55.679 When the doctor 1st walks in and everything's in shadow, doesn't it look just like what is happening here? 181 00:15:55.740 --> 00:15:56.639 It's mysterious. 182 00:15:56.700 --> 00:16:01.919 When we get there next week with the 2nd element, Mind Warp. 183 00:16:01.980 --> 00:16:05.100 In spite of what you may want to say about the story. 184 00:16:05.159 --> 00:16:07.740 The lighting is dark. 185 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:11.879 It's confusing, which feeds into the confusing elements of the story. 186 00:16:11.940 --> 00:16:19.500 But for ones in the 80s, they've turned the goddamn lights down to make things atmospheric, and that continues in the last 2 stories of the season as well. 187 00:16:19.559 --> 00:16:25.980 But then we come back to this floodlit gold plastic set with as wonderful as she is. 188 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:38.580 The mum from the Oxo commercials as the inquisitor, and Linda Bellingham is fabulous, and she's in that 1st scene in the mysterious planet where she just swans in and practically ignores the doctor. 189 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:44.220 I quite like how the doctor sort of stands up because she's so fabulous and then goes, no, wait a 2nd supposed to be crossed. 190 00:16:44.279 --> 00:16:46.200 Yeah, that's great. 191 00:16:46.259 --> 00:16:49.980 And Michael Jason establishes himself well in those scenes. 192 00:16:50.039 --> 00:17:03.360 The 3 of them are the ones saving grace of these scenes because they are good actors, being given really thankless dialogue and just trying to make the best they can out of it. 193 00:17:03.419 --> 00:17:07.740 And the whole boatyard, knacker's yard, brickyard, junkyard stuff. 194 00:17:08.039 --> 00:17:10.740 Have you got a list of all of them, Todd? 195 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:13.019 I hated this. 196 00:17:13.079 --> 00:17:15.960 I hated them beyond the It belittles the doctor. 197 00:17:16.019 --> 00:17:16.559 It does. 198 00:17:16.619 --> 00:17:24.059 Boatyard, graveyard, farmyard, scrapyard, knackers yard, brickyard, rail yard, stockyard, errex, a yard. 199 00:17:25.259 --> 00:17:27.180 No, it's poor. 200 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:34.680 I mean, Colin does get some good speeches in the trial, and it kind of plays to his strengths because he's big and bombastic and oratorical. 201 00:17:34.740 --> 00:17:39.180 So he gets to give big speeches in a context where big speeches are appropriate. 202 00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:47.400 But, you know, I just think those scenes are terribly boring and they completely slow to a crawl the pace of any, you know, scene that they appear in. 203 00:17:47.579 --> 00:17:56.099 A lot of my problem is the fact that I don't like a lot of the dialogue, and Colin is a big performer, and so rather he doesn't have the space to perform, and so he's got to use his voice. 204 00:17:56.160 --> 00:17:59.460 So the overemphasis on some lines annoys me. 205 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:08.160 I like Linda Bellingham, but at times I think some of her dialogue should be the valley yards and sometimes I think his dialogue should be her dialogue throughout this. 206 00:18:08.220 --> 00:18:31.380 And what I do like about these 1st 4 or 5 episodes is the fact that Michael Jason's value is very still, very still, and very controlled, whereas the doctor is like a caged animal and is trying to get out of the cage and increasingly coming across as more and more desperate and, you know, his little tempered tantrums and everything like that because he can't. convey what he needs to convey. 207 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:37.619 And that's, I guess that's the one thing I got more this time, but I've grown more numb to the trial scenes over the years. 208 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:40.559 Like I just sit there and I watch them and yeah, okay. 209 00:18:40.619 --> 00:18:50.579 I actually think Ron Jones is a poorer job than the other 2 directors because you actually see the black floor and all the lines, whereas the other 2 are trying to mask that as much as possible. 210 00:18:50.640 --> 00:18:57.779 But in Ron Jones's defence, I would like to say that those early atmospheric scenes before the lights come on were done by Ron Jones as well. 211 00:18:57.839 --> 00:19:04.079 They were a remount because the set was erected in the wrong place for Nicholas Mallett's 1st trial session. 212 00:19:04.140 --> 00:19:05.519 So he lost time. 213 00:19:05.579 --> 00:19:28.259 But the thing is, you've got that magnificent shock to begin the season with, right, of the actual space station costing over £8000 and the 1st time they'd used that to scan technology to actually, you know, when you see that, you then expect something like end of the world, the carter should land and there should be a huge open area that is walking through, you should be able to see out to space with big windows. 214 00:19:28.380 --> 00:19:29.400 You don't get any of that. 215 00:19:29.460 --> 00:19:32.220 It could be anywhere, not this space station. 216 00:19:32.279 --> 00:19:32.819 That's the thing. 217 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:33.299 Where is it? 218 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:34.319 Is it one of those domes? 219 00:19:34.380 --> 00:19:36.059 Is it in, why is it in this little corner? 220 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:37.559 Why do the time Lords have this? 221 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:42.960 A time Lords committing these crimes every other day or are they judging other species and they're supposed to be non-interference? 222 00:19:43.019 --> 00:19:45.000 And then what's with the matrix? 223 00:19:45.059 --> 00:19:53.400 Like, you know, something that the public have never really heard of, and we've only ever gone into mentally, but later we're going to be able to physically penetrate it, and now it can record anything from a TARDIS. 224 00:19:53.460 --> 00:19:56.819 It's like compromise after compromise in order to get the evidence on the screen. 225 00:19:56.880 --> 00:19:58.019 Yeah. 226 00:19:58.019 --> 00:20:01.440 Something I wish these trial scenes had been like. 227 00:20:01.980 --> 00:20:06.420 About 10 years later, Babylon 5, and I talk about it a lot. 228 00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:07.500 But Babylon 5. 229 00:20:08.099 --> 00:20:09.059 No, I've never heard of it. 230 00:20:09.119 --> 00:20:16.440 The creator of Babylon 5 has gone on record as saying he loved classic Doctor Who and it was one of the influencers. 231 00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:21.839 The whole twist in frontier in space of how their war started between Earth and Draconia. 232 00:20:21.900 --> 00:20:28.079 He stole that idea and freely admits it for the Earth Minbari conflict. 233 00:20:28.140 --> 00:20:32.039 And the Minbari are this mystical kind of race. 234 00:20:32.099 --> 00:20:41.460 But when they put someone on trial or when they have secret meetings, it's just this black space with people standing in spotlights and it's immediately mysterious. 235 00:20:41.519 --> 00:20:44.220 It's like the war games with this abstract space. 236 00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:53.339 And part of the problem is now, Doctor Who has become a show which does not any longer take visual risks or storytelling risks. 237 00:20:53.640 --> 00:21:01.619 Next week it'll take a big storytelling risk, and then a few weeks later we'll completely say, oh, no, no, it's all traditional in Disney all along. 238 00:21:01.740 --> 00:21:04.920 But there's no longer any visual risks. 239 00:21:04.980 --> 00:21:07.680 Everything is literally represented visually. 240 00:21:08.160 --> 00:21:12.960 The trial set just could have been negative space with just those 3 actors. 241 00:21:13.019 --> 00:21:16.319 We don't need those bloody 12 time lords sitting up there. 242 00:21:16.380 --> 00:21:17.880 You know, they're just... 243 00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:22.619 There to be peril monkeys in the last episode and we still don't care about them. 244 00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:28.859 Well, I mean, they aren't there for that reason because they're being peril monkeys in the last episode is a late invention by Pip and Jane Baker. 245 00:21:28.920 --> 00:21:29.700 That was never there. 246 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:31.319 So they're really just set dressing. 247 00:21:31.380 --> 00:21:37.019 And I think they're just there so that we have some, you know, stupid galafrean collars. 248 00:21:37.380 --> 00:21:42.359 I think that that trial set looks terrible. 249 00:21:42.420 --> 00:21:43.859 It is really shockingly bad. 250 00:21:43.920 --> 00:21:52.799 And I think a contrast between that space exterior and some sort of big Gothic stone cathedral like space would have been fun to experiment with as well. 251 00:21:52.859 --> 00:21:55.140 Yeah, It really undermines things. 252 00:21:55.200 --> 00:21:57.299 All right, well, that's the trial. 253 00:21:57.359 --> 00:22:02.519 Why don't we talk about the evidence, which I call the mysterious planet, the actual evidence that we've seen. 254 00:22:03.059 --> 00:22:06.119 I think this is a bit of a return to form. 255 00:22:06.180 --> 00:22:07.799 It's nothing spectacular. 256 00:22:07.859 --> 00:22:20.759 But it starts with the Dr. and Perry just chatting and wandering through the rain and making jokes at each other, but laughing together, and he teases her, she teases him. 257 00:22:20.819 --> 00:22:27.900 She's really clever in pointing out that this, if this planet has been ravaged by fire, then this shouldn't be here and that shouldn't be here. 258 00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:40.019 It's clear that some time has passed, and they've made a conscious effort to show that in the characterisation, also the fact that, as you alluded to earlier, Todd, Perry looks older, this, to me, feels like they've been together for a few years now. 259 00:22:40.259 --> 00:22:43.319 A week ago as we discussed this. 260 00:22:43.380 --> 00:22:51.720 I actually sat down and watched every episode of Trial of a Time Lord back to back over a period of about 7 hours, you know, and live tweeted it. 261 00:22:51.779 --> 00:22:53.940 Nathan, you joined me for the mysterious planet. 262 00:22:54.000 --> 00:23:01.799 And just coming off the back of season 22, which, you know, we all said there were at least 4 stories in there we enjoyed. 263 00:23:01.859 --> 00:23:22.799 But it started to feel very claustrophobic for me, season 22, because there was so much studio stuff that everyone in this universe is horrible to each other and what have you, to then come into this scene and we're outdoors in this ethereal wood and the doctor and Perry are just wandering along, chatting amiably and being nice to each other. 264 00:23:23.099 --> 00:23:25.619 I think that's a really strong opening. 265 00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:28.380 I actually remember at the time feeling the same way. 266 00:23:28.440 --> 00:23:33.240 I hadn't liked season 22 when it 1st came out and when I saw it for the 1st time. 267 00:23:33.299 --> 00:23:35.519 And I wanted to like it. 268 00:23:35.579 --> 00:23:36.720 You know, it's Doctor Who. 269 00:23:36.779 --> 00:23:37.680 I wanted to like it. 270 00:23:37.740 --> 00:23:41.039 And here, I think Colin gets it right. 271 00:23:41.099 --> 00:23:42.059 He's really likeable. 272 00:23:42.119 --> 00:23:44.160 He's still all of the things he is. 273 00:23:44.220 --> 00:23:50.339 He's still pompous and self-regarding and all of those, but he's toned down the nastiness. 274 00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:56.460 And the 2 of them together are really great and the jokes that they make at each other's expense. 275 00:23:56.519 --> 00:24:18.960 And the interaction, once the 2 of them get down out of the location and into the studio, into Mob Station, and she gets that speech about her world being destroyed, and the doctor's response to that is otherworldly and alien, and precisely what the doctor was originally conceived to be when Colin took over, and it works really well. 276 00:24:19.019 --> 00:24:20.400 He's never unlikeable. 277 00:24:20.460 --> 00:24:22.319 He's sort of funny and silly. 278 00:24:22.380 --> 00:24:28.140 You know, when she stumbles after he leaves and he quickly sort of sticks his head back around the corner. 279 00:24:28.200 --> 00:24:30.000 He's nice. 280 00:24:30.059 --> 00:24:30.779 He's funny. 281 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:39.660 I think this is perhaps the only time they get this relationship right and they will throw it away immediately in the next story. 282 00:24:39.720 --> 00:24:41.460 I think that's a great shame. 283 00:24:41.579 --> 00:24:44.220 These are my favourite scenes of the 2 of them acting together. 284 00:24:44.700 --> 00:24:56.579 Oh, look, I love them in season 22 and here it's just icing on the cake, the fact that there is no bitchiness and, you know, I don't think it was actually originally written quite that way in the script. 285 00:24:56.640 --> 00:24:57.839 They both comment about that. 286 00:24:57.900 --> 00:25:06.599 And some of the outtakes indicate perhaps it was not as all rosy, but they play against typing those scenes purposely to ensure that they just have a wonderful relationship. 287 00:25:06.660 --> 00:25:11.400 And I think there's just a lightness of touch to Colin in this, which I just really, really love. 288 00:25:11.460 --> 00:25:19.019 And plus he's got the blue bow tie, which is my favourite one of all of his bow ties because it brings out the greens and the blues and the coat. 289 00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:23.460 In this story, like his hair does need about 2 inches off the bottom. 290 00:25:23.579 --> 00:25:29.759 He's not as overweight as in later in the season. 291 00:25:29.819 --> 00:25:33.480 You can tell he's put on a bit of weight, but it's not too distracting in this. 292 00:25:33.539 --> 00:25:44.160 And I just think both of their performances in this are just beautiful, and I think if you don't like the 6th doctor, This is the one story that you should watch to get a different opinion. 293 00:25:44.220 --> 00:25:44.819 Yeah. 294 00:25:44.819 --> 00:25:51.660 I mean, the weight thing, I think, it is something fair for us to mention, because it's going to become a plot point in a later story. 295 00:25:51.779 --> 00:25:58.799 It kind of comes back to what you were saying earlier, Todd, of whiting they get rid of the costume because all of Collin's costumes in this season are brand new. 296 00:25:58.859 --> 00:26:01.680 They recut because he has put on weight. 297 00:26:01.740 --> 00:26:04.799 Then none of them are the original coats from last year. 298 00:26:04.859 --> 00:26:08.819 It was a perfect opportunity to give him a new coat. 299 00:26:08.940 --> 00:26:20.279 When he would later do the ultimate adventure stage play, they gave him a new coat, which was still patchwork, but it was red and purples just all the way through. 300 00:26:20.339 --> 00:26:25.140 And I've only seen a photo from the front, but it doesn't look like it has any greens or blues in it. 301 00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:28.440 It's just red and purple with velvet lapels. 302 00:26:28.680 --> 00:26:37.619 And it is still out there and strange, but it has symmetry and it has complementary colours on it. 303 00:26:37.859 --> 00:26:44.460 And it just would have been a great time to give him the same cut of coat and maybe even still patchwork. 304 00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:50.819 But bring it in line with complimentary colours, you know, to indicate that this character has mellowed. 305 00:26:51.000 --> 00:27:00.660 I think that Matt Smith's 2nd costume, the one that he wears when he's with Clara is very definitely an attempt to get that costume right. 306 00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:02.160 Do you think that's a mistake? 307 00:27:02.220 --> 00:27:06.299 No, no, I quite like that. outfit and I think it does work. 308 00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:08.700 And I think Colin would have looked much better. 309 00:27:08.700 --> 00:27:13.619 And it would have had, you know, a knock-on effect with the visuals of the rest of the show. 310 00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:14.519 Yeah. 311 00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:18.900 Now, this story, I think, is very much a rewrite of the crotons for me. 312 00:27:18.900 --> 00:27:20.880 It's really very safe. 313 00:27:20.940 --> 00:27:28.440 It's Bob Holmes' greatest hits and it is, you know, Bob Holmes has come into the show before and kind of relaunched it. 314 00:27:28.500 --> 00:27:38.160 You know, he did at the beginning of season 7 and then again at the beginning of season 8 and then sort of at the beginning of season 11 and 16, you know, like he's done it a bunch of times. 315 00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:47.220 I think he's really out of ideas at this and what they've decided to do is something really very safe and traditional. 316 00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:52.019 And so I think it's all just a little bit low rent. 317 00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:59.039 We talked about the sort of high concept of the terrible ultimate evil last week. 318 00:27:59.099 --> 00:28:11.759 Here we've got people who live in a station underground where there's no water and they're high tech people and then you have people living outside in a sort of Iron Age society. 319 00:28:11.819 --> 00:28:24.420 And all of that's been sort of more or less done before, you know, humpker and tantral who live with the giant robot in the base underground are very definitely taken from the crotons, aren't they? 320 00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:27.599 And the Immortal's Palace is like the Crocodile. 321 00:28:27.660 --> 00:28:30.660 You've got to do something to get into the palace and all that sort of thing. 322 00:28:30.779 --> 00:28:33.779 And if they're outside the system, they're going to be killed and that sort of thing. 323 00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:38.819 But having said that, I just find this story so whimsical and I just sit there and I just laugh all the way through it. 324 00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:40.380 Well, it's less nasty. 325 00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:42.119 They have toned the nastiness down. 326 00:28:42.180 --> 00:28:48.299 There's one yucky bit where the leaders of the tribe of the free are kind of melted by drathrow. 327 00:28:48.420 --> 00:29:00.420 And that seems to me to be the kind of traditional yucky Doctor Who death that is what we do now, you know, when people die and that's fun and yucky, but nothing's unpleasant. 328 00:29:00.539 --> 00:29:08.400 But because we haven't had people with their hands being crushed leading up to that or guns being broken or strangled by cybermen or whatever, that's effective. 329 00:29:08.460 --> 00:29:12.119 And no one wants to have sex with Perry this time, which is a relief. 330 00:29:12.180 --> 00:29:15.480 Although, Joan Sims is trying to pimper out. 331 00:29:15.539 --> 00:29:22.980 But that's a matter of their culture. that in order for their culture to survive, they have a polygamous society. 332 00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:25.619 No, it's polyandrous, really, isn't it? 333 00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:26.759 Oh yes, I suppose so. 334 00:29:26.819 --> 00:29:36.480 That's, I mean, that is really fun and silly, and it gives Perry the opportunity for that really fun line about husbands that you riffed on earlier, Brendan. 335 00:29:36.539 --> 00:29:38.819 So all of that's fun. 336 00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:40.079 You know, Bob Holmes, right? 337 00:29:40.140 --> 00:29:45.660 funny dialogue and stuff, but, you know, it's a giant robot underground threatening people. 338 00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:49.559 One piece of casting I particularly loved is actually Joan Sims. 339 00:29:49.619 --> 00:29:52.319 I think she's perfect for the role as this matriarch. 340 00:29:52.500 --> 00:29:55.079 She's taking it seriously. 341 00:29:55.140 --> 00:29:57.720 She's not doing a silly voice and sending it up. 342 00:29:57.779 --> 00:30:04.920 And, you know, when she's saying things to Perry, like, you know, you're most welcome to join us, and I will find many good husbands for you. 343 00:30:04.980 --> 00:30:06.539 She completely, it's hilarious. 344 00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:10.440 It's so funny But she completely believes it as well. 345 00:30:10.500 --> 00:30:14.160 And when she's saying, you know, we will go and kill the immortal. 346 00:30:14.220 --> 00:30:19.680 As I tweeted at the time, is there any more purer sight than Joan Sims holding 2 laser rifles? 347 00:30:19.740 --> 00:30:21.359 She looks completely comfortable. 348 00:30:21.420 --> 00:30:29.400 You know, I believe that she is this bronze age queen of a tribe. 349 00:30:29.460 --> 00:30:32.039 It's the Beryl Reed thing again. 350 00:30:32.099 --> 00:30:35.819 She's come into it and even if she doesn't necessarily understand it. 351 00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:37.380 And we know Beryl didn't. 352 00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:38.400 I don't know if Joan did. 353 00:30:38.460 --> 00:30:42.240 But she's just kind of going, I have a truth in this character. 354 00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:54.900 And I think she's kind of glad also to be playing someone who wouldn't be in a carry-on film or wouldn't be portrayed that way in a carry-on film because actresses of this time, actresses of her age. 355 00:30:54.960 --> 00:31:00.960 Like Beryl Reed, like Molly Sugden, would get typecast in that kind of role. 356 00:31:01.019 --> 00:31:06.059 Like Molly Sogden come back, Mrs. Noah after that was basically just Mrs. Slocum in space. 357 00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:12.779 You know, whereas Joan here, she's given an interesting character to play and she decides I'm going to do this seriously. 358 00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:26.339 I think she's smart and that's really fun because she's Iron Age, but she isn't outwitted by Glitz and Dibber and she doesn't believe the doctor because she's canny, you know, and she sort of makes mistakes. 359 00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:34.740 I mean, she makes the mistake of recognising that incredibly crummy L1 L3 robot. through the wall. 360 00:31:36.660 --> 00:31:39.960 So she does make a mistake and she does get herself killed. 361 00:31:40.019 --> 00:31:41.579 But she's never mocked. 362 00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:44.940 You know, she's never regarded as stupid by the story. 363 00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:46.259 And that's nice. yeah. 364 00:31:46.500 --> 00:31:50.279 I adore like, I adore so many of the smaller characters. 365 00:31:50.339 --> 00:31:51.779 He's the book guy. 366 00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:53.099 Bellazar. 367 00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:57.599 He's really funny and I love how he calls the planet UK Habitat. 368 00:31:57.660 --> 00:31:58.440 I think that's really great. 369 00:31:58.500 --> 00:32:03.599 He was previously in a Blake 7 episode where they were bidding on slaves. 370 00:32:03.660 --> 00:32:04.380 Do you remember this? 371 00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:09.240 And he was the one who was on his phone saying that Valeria of Prin bids 300 VMs. 372 00:32:09.299 --> 00:32:10.259 No way. 373 00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:11.099 Yeah, that's him. 374 00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:15.900 And he's also subsequently in various Jeeves and Worcester stories too. 375 00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:17.940 And he goes on to play James Bond. 376 00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:19.319 What? 377 00:32:19.380 --> 00:32:27.000 Yeah, in the okay, so in the early 2000s, there was a series of James Bond video games where they had Pierce Brosnan's likeness, but Pierce wouldn't do the voice. 378 00:32:27.059 --> 00:32:29.519 So he's the voice of that James Bond. 379 00:32:29.579 --> 00:32:38.460 And there's one game where they didn't have Pierce's likeness, so they create a whole new James Bond with Adam Blackwood, but there's 3 or 4 games where Adam Blackwood is James Bond. 380 00:32:38.460 --> 00:32:41.220 And he's kind of archerish with his delivery. 381 00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:42.420 Sterling archer-ish. 382 00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:43.259 He is very good. 383 00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:48.900 The main game where it's him and not Pierce Brosnan's face is called Agent Under Fire. 384 00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:53.940 I think we can find some cutscenes of that on YouTube to put up, but that's quite fun. 385 00:32:54.000 --> 00:33:03.900 Like there's a bit where you've just played a level where you're driving around Monaco. taking out enemies with rocket launchers and when he arrives at the dock and the car's smashed up, Q comes out. 386 00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:04.500 What did you do? 387 00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:06.539 Sorry, Q. I was delayed. 388 00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:09.420 He's fabulous. 389 00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:16.859 Yeah, I love him waiting for the food machine to spew all that green gung over his face and calling the doctor the old one. 390 00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:19.380 No, I really love him and Merdine. 391 00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:20.400 Tom Chadbourne. 392 00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:23.039 Yeah, so he's Duggan from City of Death. 393 00:33:23.099 --> 00:33:24.839 I think he plays it with gravitas. 394 00:33:24.900 --> 00:33:26.160 Look, I think he does as well. 395 00:33:26.220 --> 00:33:34.440 There's a sort of plot that the cliffhanger to episode 3 hangs on, and that's the plot between him and Grell, who's that younger guard. 396 00:33:34.500 --> 00:33:42.240 And I kind of think Grell's in it so little that that plot doesn't really land and it's trying to give him something to do, but it's not really very interesting. 397 00:33:42.299 --> 00:33:48.960 And so he is a little bit wasted, but it's always nice to have someone good. even if they're in a small park. 398 00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:55.980 You know, I think he's quite watchable and his interactions over the video phone thing with the immortal are pretty good too. 399 00:33:56.039 --> 00:34:06.599 Yeah, I like the fact that that episode 3 Cliffhanger is actually shot with like him firing his little arrow gun and that's the end as opposed to episode four. 400 00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:13.800 Colin's face on episodes one and 4 and even episode 2 where he goes, oh, this could be the end, close up on the rocker's face. 401 00:34:13.860 --> 00:34:16.380 Well, actually, no, because we're actually watching this and this happened. 402 00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:17.519 So that's not actually going to happen. 403 00:34:17.579 --> 00:34:18.480 Yeah, yeah. 404 00:34:18.539 --> 00:34:22.800 And also, you've literally been chucked out into deep space several times. 405 00:34:22.860 --> 00:34:25.260 You know, you've faced firing squads. 406 00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:27.780 I don't think this is actually such a big deal. 407 00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:30.480 The immortal, Drastro. 408 00:34:30.539 --> 00:34:45.360 They go on and on and on in the actual DVD about his production and how they were making his parts actually moveable like a robot rather than having like the robots from mind robber where you've got human joints masked. 409 00:34:45.420 --> 00:34:46.800 And it's actually really great. 410 00:34:46.860 --> 00:34:48.239 Like I actually think that's really good. 411 00:34:48.300 --> 00:34:53.280 It's a pity that the actual top of the head is always at a two-thirds angle rather than full on. 412 00:34:53.340 --> 00:34:58.139 But it's one of these things in the story where I kind of go, well, you guys are focussing on this. 413 00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:00.539 They're focussing on that visual effect in episode one. 414 00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:07.619 Shouldn't we be focussing on other, more important things like, you know, casual viewers may not even pick up on this fact, is such a small minute detail. 415 00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:15.900 Well, I think that just having a big giant out of control robot is massively boring and unoriginal. 416 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:26.460 And Colin, you know, in theory, Colin should work in a scene where he is having some kind of ethical argument with the robot. 417 00:35:26.519 --> 00:35:31.860 But the dialogue there is unusually terrible for Bob Holmes, I think. 418 00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:33.179 Yeah, it's very simplistic. 419 00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:39.300 It's kind of just the doctor saying, no, things should be left to be alive because they're alive and life is good. 420 00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:43.739 Yeah, I mean, it's even sub a well-prepared meal, that speech, you know. 421 00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:45.840 And Colin does the best he can with it. 422 00:35:45.900 --> 00:35:58.139 There is a wonderful bit of that whole scene I love, which is the doctor saying that the robot is feeling hubris and just the way they choreographed the robot to look over his shoulder. 423 00:35:58.199 --> 00:35:59.940 That's a hubris. 424 00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:09.900 It's camp, but I think what really sells it, it's Collins outrage, of course, which he's so good at doing, and a robot looking over their shoulder. 425 00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:14.460 Like that's kind of, what's the word that, that incongruity of ideas. 426 00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:21.420 Two other cast members, of course, are Tony Selby and Glenn Murphy as Glitz and Dipper. 427 00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:23.159 He's very pretty. 428 00:36:23.219 --> 00:36:24.539 And he's funny too. 429 00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:27.539 I think he actually is really genuinely very funny. 430 00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:28.920 He does a great performance. 431 00:36:28.980 --> 00:36:35.039 I love his crack about how they've got so much black light in their ship that sometimes they can hardly even see. 432 00:36:35.099 --> 00:36:36.000 I think that's really good. 433 00:36:36.059 --> 00:36:40.380 I think Tony Selby actually surprised me and I tweeted this as we were watching it. 434 00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:43.440 I actually think he's not very good in this. 435 00:36:43.500 --> 00:36:46.980 He's certainly not as good as he is in his subsequent stories. 436 00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:51.360 I think he's really declarative and stagey and unrealistic. 437 00:36:51.420 --> 00:36:55.920 And I also think it is just more of the Holmes playbook. 438 00:36:55.980 --> 00:36:59.579 You know, he's Garren, again, essentially. 439 00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:01.139 Only a bit nastier. 440 00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:07.440 Interesting, because I actually really like Tony Silby in this performance, whereas maybe it's the character. 441 00:37:07.500 --> 00:37:15.360 I think the character here, you could imagine him being quite nasty, whereas I think subsequently down the track, he's much, much kinder and gentle. 442 00:37:15.420 --> 00:37:17.820 They make him more cuddly for his return. 443 00:37:17.940 --> 00:37:21.300 It's more his delivery, I think, than his character that I don't like. 444 00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:28.079 I do have to say at the time watching it, I was quite obsessed with Deborah and I couldn't quite work out. 445 00:37:28.139 --> 00:37:28.559 Why? 446 00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:31.440 I'm rolling my eyes listeners. 447 00:37:31.500 --> 00:37:36.000 And I've always liked you, bro, and I've always been bitterly disappointed that he never came. 448 00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:40.019 Yeah, he's next companion later in the season is terrible. 449 00:37:40.260 --> 00:37:42.420 Terrible, terrible. 450 00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:50.519 Also, we may have never had these awakening feelings about Dibba because do you know who the director actually wanted to play these roles? 451 00:37:51.179 --> 00:37:53.340 Jennifer Saunders. 452 00:37:53.340 --> 00:37:54.300 And Dawn French. 453 00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:58.380 French and Saunders were the 1st approach and it was literally just dates. 454 00:37:58.440 --> 00:37:59.400 They couldn't make it work. 455 00:37:59.460 --> 00:38:03.179 Jonathan Bow was perfectly up for these 2 parts being played by women. 456 00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:09.719 And I'm just imagining them as their extras personas, as we see in the trial of a Time Lord sketch, they do. 457 00:38:09.780 --> 00:38:22.619 I'm thinking Jen would have had to have been glitz, and Dawn would have had to have been Dibber, because usually in their sketches, kind of Gens, the more worldly one, and Dawn is the kind of ditzier one. 458 00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:26.579 But strangely, there's this show they made around the same time called Girls on Top. 459 00:38:26.699 --> 00:38:29.940 It was billed as a female version of the young ones. 460 00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:33.659 And of course, comic strip presents, all of them will work together before. 461 00:38:33.719 --> 00:38:42.119 So it was Jennifer, Dawn, Ruby Wax, and Tracy Ullman, and they're these 4 young women trying to live in London. 462 00:38:42.179 --> 00:38:50.940 They move into like a 2 bedroom flat, which is all they can afford above this ageing romance novel is played by Joan Greenwood. 463 00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:59.519 Now in that, Dawn French is this sort of militant feminist character who falls apart every time a man looks at her. 464 00:38:59.579 --> 00:39:17.159 Whereas Jennifer Saunders is an idiot savant. who just is, you know, plays at kind of ditsy and talks like this and everyone makes jokes at her expense, but when people make jokes at her, it's bed, you suddenly get this extreme close with Jennifer Saunders with murder in her eyes and then you cut away to something else. 465 00:39:17.219 --> 00:39:19.260 It's all on YouTube. 466 00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:20.340 It's a really good series. 467 00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:22.739 So it's possible it could have been the other way around there. 468 00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:24.000 It is possible. 469 00:39:24.059 --> 00:39:27.840 Imagine them going up against Joan Sims. great. 470 00:39:27.900 --> 00:39:30.360 I think Bob Holmes would have vetoed it. 471 00:39:30.420 --> 00:39:32.699 He would have got confused if they'd been 3 women in a story. 472 00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:37.559 There's not many women in the underground settlement, is there? 473 00:39:37.619 --> 00:39:41.219 No, but apparently they get their women in the tribe of the free. 474 00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:46.199 The reason they have women at all is that they come up from underground, but I couldn't see any underground at all. 475 00:39:46.260 --> 00:39:50.519 Maybe they'd all come up for the extra husbands that they could get if they joined the tribe. 476 00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:56.579 Yeah, well, I don't think handbag and handrail or whatever their names are would be very interesting. 477 00:39:56.639 --> 00:40:05.880 My theory is, and I tweeted it, but Humper and Tandril, that Colin gets their names from a bunch of times, he calls them humbug and handbag at one point. 478 00:40:05.940 --> 00:40:12.900 I think that that is Bob Holmes making fun of crappy 2 syllable science fiction names. 479 00:40:13.019 --> 00:40:16.440 Because it's a sin he tends not to commit. 480 00:40:16.500 --> 00:40:19.739 He tends to come up with much more interesting names than that. 481 00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:21.300 So I think it's making... 482 00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:22.019 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 483 00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:30.599 I think he's making fun of that So can we talk about the climax of the story because I think that this is where it all really falls to pieces. 484 00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:34.079 And that is not Drathrow. 485 00:40:34.139 --> 00:40:39.900 Drathrow, the immortal, is very neatly dealt with my glitz and dipper, which I think is lovely. 486 00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:44.519 The doctor doesn't manage to outwit him with the big stupid philosophical conversation. 487 00:40:44.579 --> 00:40:48.900 You know, glitz just tricks him, but it's the black light explosion. 488 00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:59.280 And I tweeted at the time that Black Light was not only a source of endless, clean energy, but an incredibly great source of word peril as well. 489 00:40:59.340 --> 00:41:04.440 So all of that is just us talking about a big explosion happening. 490 00:41:04.500 --> 00:41:08.519 And then Colin talks it up so that the entire universe is at stake. 491 00:41:08.579 --> 00:41:11.519 But it's all just words and flashing lights. 492 00:41:11.579 --> 00:41:13.739 And how is the situation resolved? 493 00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:18.480 They all meet in Jethro's palace and just press a whole bunch of buttons and then run away. 494 00:41:18.539 --> 00:41:21.840 Yeah, it is a bit disappointing in that regard. 495 00:41:21.900 --> 00:41:30.360 But on the other hand, we have just had a year of stories where it's very rare that the doctor directly resolves anything. 496 00:41:30.539 --> 00:41:41.099 So if we look at, say, attack of the cybermen, he resolves it by shooting a bunch of sidemen, if we look at vengeance on Varos, as you complained at the time, Nathan, he does nothing. 497 00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:42.239 It's just market forces. 498 00:41:42.780 --> 00:41:51.300 Mark of the Rani, he does actually do something clever to sort out the problem by fiddling with the Rani's controls, but again, it's just pushing a bunch of buttons. 499 00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:52.619 The 2 doctors. 500 00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:57.599 It's kind of, oh, I think I teched the tech and now we're fine. 501 00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:00.360 Timelash is just, oh, I'll explain that later. 502 00:42:00.420 --> 00:42:03.719 I actually thought Timelash was the one where he solved the problem probably. 503 00:42:03.780 --> 00:42:05.639 I think that's the only time when it gets it, right? 504 00:42:05.699 --> 00:42:06.840 And the revelation. 505 00:42:06.900 --> 00:42:09.900 Yeah, just waits around until Tarkasson lilt phoned the Daleks. 506 00:42:10.019 --> 00:42:10.920 Exactly. 507 00:42:10.980 --> 00:42:15.539 Whereas, unlike here with Time Lunch, we actually see what he's doing to solve the problem. 508 00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:17.699 He talks about containing the energy. 509 00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:20.039 So we at least get some form of explanation. 510 00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:26.219 And we get quite a good bit where Colin sends everyone else out of danger while he continues working. 511 00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:28.199 And as the doctor sort of staggers out. 512 00:42:28.260 --> 00:42:34.019 He says, I just hope it was enough and runs away from an explosion behind him, which is a typical action trope. 513 00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:41.340 But what I love about the story is the mysterious planet section of the story. 514 00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:43.199 It's delightfully uncomplicated. 515 00:42:43.260 --> 00:42:45.599 You know where everyone is at all times. 516 00:42:45.659 --> 00:42:49.079 You know what they're working towards, you know what each of the characters want. 517 00:42:49.139 --> 00:42:53.280 And when the doctor saves the day at the end, even though it's word peril. 518 00:42:53.340 --> 00:42:58.500 You've heard exactly what the stakes are, you know that the doctor has to fix it. 519 00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:07.320 And we are left with a little bit of a mystery at the end, and the doctor identifies that in the dialogue, clearly telling us that we should be concerned about. 520 00:43:07.380 --> 00:43:12.780 Who were the sleepers, what is Earth doing so far away from its original position in space. 521 00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:28.139 We do have the utterly stupid moment where you think, Valiard, what the hell are you doing, where he includes an inconsequential scene that anyone reading lips could then figure out, oh, it's something to do with the matrix, bleep, bleep, bleep. 522 00:43:28.260 --> 00:43:39.179 Yeah, we see, that's because the way the trial is structured is it's 3 normal Doctor Who stories, surrounded by a framing device that has nothing to do with those stories. 523 00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:49.320 And so if this was sensible, if this was actually what was happening, the vaniard would have picked something else that didn't raise all these questions. 524 00:43:49.380 --> 00:43:50.940 He would have just picked another incident. 525 00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:52.679 I mean, what does this incident prove? 526 00:43:52.739 --> 00:43:54.480 It doesn't really prove anything. 527 00:43:54.539 --> 00:43:59.699 And, you know, like what's the doctor accused of, meddling in other planets? 528 00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:07.079 You know, well, you know, fling the savages DVD on or watch that. you know there's no point to picking this. 529 00:44:07.139 --> 00:44:11.699 And so it doesn't really work raising that mystery. 530 00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:14.039 And that mystery is so inconsequential. 531 00:44:14.099 --> 00:44:21.179 This could have been done as a kind of thriller, but no one's competent enough to do that. 532 00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:28.860 And so having this little bit of a mystery, introducing this sort of weird thing about the sleepers and the matrix and all of that sort of thing. 533 00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:31.619 In more competent hands could have paid off. 534 00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:36.539 But, you know, in the context of the trial that we have just literally makes no sense at all. 535 00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:38.099 No, I agree completely with you. 536 00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:40.619 Like, I mean, why should the valued even put it in there? 537 00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:52.440 You're really just implicating ultimately the time lords of the fans of the audience to sort of work that out, that there's something wrong with this trial that's really about to begin because we've only had this investigation in these 1st 4 episodes. 538 00:44:52.500 --> 00:44:54.780 It just makes no sense to even put it in the plot. 539 00:44:54.780 --> 00:44:57.059 If they're actually really thinking about what's going on. 540 00:44:57.179 --> 00:45:15.119 What I find so bizarre about the trial setup when we keep coming back to it here is, I think it's the end of episode one where the valiard says, you know, I suggest this inquiry becomes a trial and the court will demand your life, doctor, and we get our 1st grade Colin Baker, Zoom, cliffhanger of the season. 541 00:45:15.179 --> 00:45:17.460 But when we come back in episode two. 542 00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:20.699 The inquisitor says pretty much, no, it's an inquiry. 543 00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:32.579 Shut up, but the rest of the remaining 13 episodes, then treat it like this is a situation where the doctor will lose his life if he is found guilty. 544 00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:36.300 And it's like nowhere officially does that changeover happen. 545 00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:39.840 It's just the Valleyard says, oh, wouldn't it be nice if we did this? 546 00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:42.119 And the inquisitor says, no, it wouldn't. 547 00:45:42.179 --> 00:45:45.059 But then somewhere off screen, someone says, oh, no, yes, it would. 548 00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:48.239 And it's like, that's not how the legal system works. 549 00:45:48.300 --> 00:45:51.420 No, it's a space legal system. all work like that. 550 00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:52.320 Even so. 551 00:45:52.380 --> 00:45:53.519 That's what I'm saying. 552 00:45:53.579 --> 00:45:56.340 She's totally inconsistent in what they give her in terms of dialogue. 553 00:45:56.460 --> 00:46:02.579 In one moment, she's complaining about things have been bleeped and that's a concern and next moment in the next row will just dismiss that, you know, don't worry about that. 554 00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:05.099 She knows apparently what's happened to Perry. 555 00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:06.059 We'll find that out. 556 00:46:06.179 --> 00:46:10.199 You know, the doctor's been taken out of time and space. wouldn't it be bets? 557 00:46:10.260 --> 00:46:12.179 Dirty be checked out medically or something. 558 00:46:12.179 --> 00:46:13.739 Somebody explained it. 559 00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:14.639 That would have been interesting. 560 00:46:14.699 --> 00:46:16.380 Do you know what I'm saying? 561 00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:20.639 Like, you know, some other space where we're going to, you know, doctor, you're here on this station for this reason. 562 00:46:20.699 --> 00:46:24.719 Like, none of that, it's all just, as you go along, ad hoc, whatever. 563 00:46:24.780 --> 00:46:30.480 And it's just occurred to me that we have seen a trial on Gallifrey before back in the deadly assassin. 564 00:46:30.539 --> 00:46:41.400 And even then, that was different from an earth trial in that you had this semicircle of desks with everyone facing the people talking and you had everyone standing around and it wasn't just this neat arrangement of gold plastic. 565 00:46:41.460 --> 00:46:46.559 But again, remember, that's really urgent because you've got the election and all of that sort of thing. 566 00:46:46.619 --> 00:46:55.440 And so having them all stand around doing this really kind of makeshift trial and the clock's ticking and all of that, I think that that's, you know, that is kind of different. 567 00:46:55.500 --> 00:47:06.059 But the previous trial that we saw, you know, which was just people standing in a negative space telling the doctor what a bad boy he'd been, which made the time lords look powerful and imperious. 568 00:47:06.179 --> 00:47:11.579 Here, you know, the trial is really not doing anything here. 569 00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:15.659 It occurs to me as well that that I mentioned in Deadly Assassin. 570 00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:21.599 There's kind of a parallel with the doctor here with the boatyard, knackers yard, graveyard, et cetera, et cetera. 571 00:47:21.659 --> 00:47:27.360 Because back in the deadly assassin, the doctor's drawing caricatures of the various people speaking against him. 572 00:47:27.420 --> 00:47:33.179 But I think the important distinction there is, while the doctor's doing that, no one's looking at it. 573 00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:35.039 It's not a declarative. 574 00:47:35.099 --> 00:47:37.019 Oh, look how stupid you look. 575 00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:38.699 I've drawn this picture of you. 576 00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:44.699 It's a thing that naughty children do to sort of get out their aggression and frustration. 577 00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:47.460 You know, it's a private thing like writing in a diary. 578 00:47:47.519 --> 00:47:50.400 Whereas the doctor's standing up and saying Nackers Yard graveyard. 579 00:47:50.460 --> 00:47:54.780 It weakens the character because he becomes this name calling. 580 00:47:54.780 --> 00:47:56.880 Kid, really. 581 00:47:56.940 --> 00:48:01.320 I think, you know, those previous trials had plot reasons for existing. 582 00:48:01.380 --> 00:48:07.800 The reason that this one exists is because there were previous trials, you know, in the show. 583 00:48:07.860 --> 00:48:12.659 Yeah, yeah, time lords do trials or sit around and access the Matrix. 584 00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:14.579 That's what time lords do. 585 00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:16.260 And that is all time lords do in the 80s. 586 00:48:16.380 --> 00:48:21.599 Yeah, I'm super grateful to the Daleks for blowing those buckers up, to be honest. 587 00:48:21.900 --> 00:48:23.940 Let's talk about ratings. 588 00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:26.159 Oh, it's been so long. 589 00:48:27.179 --> 00:48:31.019 So I'm just going to say that the powers that be get their wish. 590 00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:37.320 They ever wanted to cancel the show because the show comes back to 4.900000 viewers for episodes one and episode two. 591 00:48:37.380 --> 00:48:41.820 Now, episode one actually places 69th on the chart. 592 00:48:41.880 --> 00:48:46.500 Previous season, we had 8900000 and it came 71st. 593 00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:50.219 But, you know, nobody's going to worry about chart placings. 594 00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:51.840 It's all about bums on seats. 595 00:48:51.900 --> 00:48:58.800 And Doctor Who is going up against the 18 again and the A team is getting close to 12000000 viewers, right? 596 00:48:58.860 --> 00:49:05.400 So, in Doctor Who's defence, the show before it, Roland Rat is not even on the charts, like less than 2 million. 597 00:49:05.460 --> 00:49:08.280 So Doctor Who's doing this heavy lifting to try and grab an audience. 598 00:49:08.340 --> 00:49:19.440 But it's ITV's biggest night because blind date is on after the A team, which is their highest rated show on the network, like coming number 3 or something like that. 599 00:49:19.500 --> 00:49:21.840 So it's just up against it. 600 00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:28.440 Episode 3 and 4 then collapse in the ratings to 3.9 and 3.7 million. 601 00:49:28.500 --> 00:49:33.599 Now, the last time we had those ratings were with Tom Baker, where he got an episode that got, I think, 3.7. 602 00:49:33.780 --> 00:49:35.219 Now that came 180th. 603 00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:38.219 These ones came 98th and 97th. 604 00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:41.699 And they're the lowest placed episodes of the season. 605 00:49:41.760 --> 00:49:53.219 So if there's one thing about this season is that it doesn't drop out of the top 100, unlike last year, which had 4 or 5 episodes out of the top 100, but most of the episodes this season are between 80 and about and 98. 606 00:49:53.340 --> 00:50:02.460 Episode 5 will rebound to 4.8, but it's not until episode seven, they get 5.1 million. the 1st time it breaks 5000000 in the season. 607 00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:10.619 So, you know, if they ever had a case to say, well, it's just not popular, it's just not with people, here it is, you know? 608 00:50:10.679 --> 00:50:23.099 Unfortunately, Colin, won't realise it yet, but you know, he's the face of the show and the fact that they weren't willing to get rid of the producer and script editor, he's now on the chopping block with these ratings. 609 00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:25.320 We'll discuss that later on. 610 00:50:25.380 --> 00:50:34.079 The audience appreciation figures are interesting because the audience appreciation figures for this season are actually the high 60s and the early 70s. 611 00:50:34.139 --> 00:50:37.440 Now last year it was the mid to low 60s. 612 00:50:37.500 --> 00:50:41.340 And for Davidson, it was generally the mid to high 60s. 613 00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:48.119 So in fact, who's watching or whoever they're getting their audience have actually liked it because it's not violent and it's funny and it's safe perhaps. 614 00:50:48.179 --> 00:50:54.539 It's also that it's now so unpopular that it's Doctor Who fans still watching it. 615 00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:58.320 The lower the ratings get the higher, you would expect the appreciation figures to get. 616 00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:01.199 But, you know, next year they're going to be in the high 50s. 617 00:51:01.260 --> 00:51:06.360 And the other thing to remember about the audience appreciation index is it's a random sampling. 618 00:51:06.420 --> 00:51:09.719 It's not a volunteer-based thing. 619 00:51:09.780 --> 00:51:11.280 And I believe it still works this way. 620 00:51:11.340 --> 00:51:14.219 It's a bit like ratings boxes in Australia are a random sampling. 621 00:51:14.340 --> 00:51:26.099 Yeah, the audience appreciation index is the BBC contacting a bunch of people at random and saying, what did you think of this show out of a rating out of 10 or a rating out of a 100 and they collate that information. 622 00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:35.519 I wonder if in terms of casual viewership, people enjoyed this season more because even though it's not very good as a courtroom drama. 623 00:51:35.579 --> 00:51:37.619 It's more recognisable. 624 00:51:37.980 --> 00:51:50.519 So if someone was coming along and seeing this and they, for instance, used to watch Perry Mason or watching reruns of it, they would look at this and go, oh, this is a courtroom drama. 625 00:51:50.579 --> 00:51:58.139 I wonder what's happening and they might only watch one or 2 episodes before they figure out that the mystery being developed isn't very interesting. 626 00:51:58.199 --> 00:52:02.039 But for those one or 2 episodes, they're going, oh, well, why was that bleep down? 627 00:52:02.099 --> 00:52:03.659 Why aren't we allowed that information? 628 00:52:03.900 --> 00:52:07.619 Why is the doctor saving the universe a bad thing? 629 00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:16.139 But it is really interesting that there's a 1000000 viewer loss for those last 2 episodes of this story. 630 00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:20.760 You know, and luckily it then doesn't recover as much as it can. 631 00:52:20.820 --> 00:52:22.920 I mean, the average for the season is actually 4.93. 632 00:52:23.099 --> 00:52:27.360 Which is not going to be much different from next season, which is 4.96, I think. 633 00:52:27.420 --> 00:52:37.500 But, you know, different factors are at play, but, you know, you have to say we took it off and it's come back and, well, there was this outcry, but really, where have all the audience gone? 634 00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:43.199 Yeah But I do want to say this, that I really love the mysterious planet, the story. 635 00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:50.639 Yeah, and I personally, despite plot points or whatever, I actually give Mysterious Planet 9 out of 10. 636 00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:53.699 The trial of a time order, episode's one to four. 637 00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:55.739 I give 7.5 out of 10 too. 638 00:52:55.800 --> 00:52:56.159 Yeah. 639 00:52:56.219 --> 00:52:59.940 Yeah, I think the mysterious planet element of the story itself is good. 640 00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:11.340 The trial scenes, while they are banal, are not too intrusive just yet, and as I said before, they're saved by the fact that we have 3 very good actors performing in them. 641 00:53:11.460 --> 00:53:20.219 But a lot of the time, the commentary from them is just a little bit too on the nose. like I know what I just watched. 642 00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:32.219 But at the same time, I think as a kid, you might enjoy that breathing space and you might enjoy the name calling and you might enjoy the fact that Michael Jason, his stillness. 643 00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:34.739 His facial expressions are so evil. 644 00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:37.980 You are left in no doubt that you are not meant to like this character. 645 00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:49.559 I think again, Doctor Who is being made for, Not necessarily for a younger audience, but with a younger audience in mind more so than the previous 2 scenes. 646 00:53:49.619 --> 00:54:01.019 I think they have learnt something of a lesson and that making it less nasty and fixing the relationship between the 2 leads has helped a lot. 647 00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:07.980 But I think it's a shame that they couldn't be just a little bit more imaginative because this is very, very routine. 648 00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:47.280 Hey, listeners, we're taking off from, uh, Errolox, or Raffle, or whatever it's called, and, uh, we found some rather nasty phases from the Warlords of Thordon, so we're gonna find out where they're coming from. 649 00:54:47.340 --> 00:54:51.719 Do come back next week as we do that with Mind Warp or do we? 650 00:54:52.019 --> 00:55:01.860 In the meantime, you can find us online at Flightthrough Entirety.sexy, Flightthrough Entirety on Facebook and iTunes and at FTE podcast on Twitter over on Bond Finger. 651 00:55:02.460 --> 00:55:07.139 We are in the midst of the incredibly lengthy Timothy Dalton era of James Bond. 652 00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:12.719 You can find that at Bondfinger.com, Bondfinger on Facebook and iTunes and Bondfinger cast on Twitter. 653 00:55:12.900 --> 00:55:17.280 Until next week, may you always remember the name of your blonde serving boys. 654 00:55:17.340 --> 00:55:18.599 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 655 00:55:18.659 --> 00:55:19.320 Good night. 656 00:55:19.380 --> 00:55:19.980 See you soon. 657 00:55:20.460 --> 00:55:25.500 That was Flight through Entirety, starring Todd Beelby, Nathan Bottomley, and Brendan Jones. 658 00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:27.360 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb. 659 00:55:27.420 --> 00:55:32.159 This episode, I'm supposed to be cross, was recorded on the 26th of March 2017. 660 00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:35.099 The next episode will be released on the 7th of May. 661 00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:49.079 This episode of FTE was brought to you by Black Light Energy, switched to Black Light Energy for cheap and abundant lower mission electricity, and a 50% rebate on your next bill if an unexpected outage destroys the entire universe. 662 00:55:52.139 --> 00:55:56.460 I think we should go out on that, but I'm gonna ask a question that you might want to put beforehand. 663 00:55:56.519 --> 00:56:01.079 So, Time to choose between the 2 alternative dimensions. 664 00:56:01.139 --> 00:56:04.800 Would you rather have had the mysterious planet or the nightmare fair? 665 00:56:05.820 --> 00:56:07.679 Mysterious planet. 666 00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:09.840 Nightmare Fair. 667 00:56:09.900 --> 00:56:11.880 I'm mysterious planet as well. 668 00:56:12.900 --> 00:56:16.860 We could have The Nightmare Fair episode one. 669 00:56:17.340 --> 00:56:25.800 Not only episode one, and just the mysterious planet, the actual segments we see, nothing to do with... 670 00:56:25.860 --> 00:56:26.460 There we go. 671 00:56:26.519 --> 00:56:27.000 Good. 672 00:56:30.059 --> 00:56:30.719 Wrong. 673 00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:33.719 Wrong finger. 674 00:56:33.780 --> 00:56:34.980 I was keeping that in.