WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 13:46:29 1 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:33.719 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety. 2 00:00:33.780 --> 00:00:38.280 The only Doctor Who podcast whose syllogism merely requires its grim conclusion. 3 00:00:38.460 --> 00:00:38.939 I'm Brandon. 4 00:00:39.000 --> 00:00:40.320 I'm Nathan I'm Todd. 5 00:00:40.380 --> 00:00:42.119 And do we know what a syllogism is? 6 00:00:42.359 --> 00:00:44.759 Would you like to explain to the listeners at home? 7 00:00:44.820 --> 00:00:50.939 So you have 2 sort of statements that are logically connected that lead to the truth of a 3rd statement. 8 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:52.679 So all men are mortal. 9 00:00:52.740 --> 00:00:56.219 Socrates is a man, therefore Socrates is mortal. 10 00:00:56.280 --> 00:00:57.899 Elephant to pink. 11 00:00:57.960 --> 00:00:59.640 Nelly is an elephant, therefore Nelly is pink. 12 00:00:59.700 --> 00:01:00.119 Exactly. 13 00:01:00.179 --> 00:01:08.219 Well, in this case, our facts are that we are a Doctor Who podcast, we have covered every story to date up to an including mind warp. 14 00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:11.640 So the grim conclusion is it means it's time for terror of the vervoids. 15 00:01:24.840 --> 00:01:27.060 Right, what can I just say? 16 00:01:27.060 --> 00:01:27.959 A few things at this point. 17 00:01:28.079 --> 00:01:29.040 No. 18 00:01:29.099 --> 00:01:30.299 Oh thank you. 19 00:01:30.540 --> 00:01:36.659 One, the Bogus Megarian did not switch on his translator. 20 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:38.939 Two. 21 00:01:39.060 --> 00:01:41.099 I'd never been to Stella Stora. 22 00:01:41.159 --> 00:01:42.840 You're obviously confusing me with someone else. 23 00:01:43.980 --> 00:01:45.480 Three. 24 00:01:45.540 --> 00:01:48.359 Compliments. are undergoing a change. 25 00:01:49.260 --> 00:01:51.959 You should see the faces, dear listener. 26 00:01:52.500 --> 00:01:56.459 Because it was on a previous time, the doctor's path crossed mine. 27 00:01:56.519 --> 00:01:59.159 I find myself in a web of mayhem and intrigue. 28 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:05.640 You know, I really like the line about the guy being pushed into the pulverizer and in my book, that's murder. 29 00:02:06.420 --> 00:02:10.919 And of course, when exactly does Edwards want Mel to break her neck? 30 00:02:11.039 --> 00:02:23.159 I never realised that like at the end of that cliffhanger, until it was pointed out by the commentary or whatever it was, that he's obviously going to murder people and do things, but you know, he gets killed first. 31 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:30.780 There is a slightly more innocent interpretation of that sentence, which is we don't want you breaking your neck, at least not until you're not my responsibility. 32 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:33.659 I think he was being cute and funny there. 33 00:02:33.719 --> 00:02:35.159 Yeah, yeah, cute. 34 00:02:35.159 --> 00:02:38.580 It's funny by taking her down a Darkened Dally and talking about breaking her neck. 35 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:40.439 Is he a member of Gamer Gate or something? 36 00:02:40.500 --> 00:02:41.580 He is charming. 37 00:02:41.639 --> 00:02:49.139 So Todd, I think he might be pinpointing a really horrific flaw in not only this story, but in fact, the rest of the trial. 38 00:02:49.199 --> 00:02:51.780 Well, that is written by Pip and Jane Baker. 39 00:02:51.840 --> 00:02:56.159 Terrible, terrible dialogue He's not signing on as a martyr yet, you know. 40 00:02:56.219 --> 00:02:58.620 I'm not going to completely diss this story. 41 00:02:58.740 --> 00:02:59.340 Okay. 42 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:03.479 I have alluded to the fact before that I really have not liked this. 43 00:03:03.539 --> 00:03:07.500 And if I watch it in isolation, I probably give it about a 6.5 out of 10. 44 00:03:07.740 --> 00:03:15.900 But when I find that I actually watch it after Mind Warp, I actually give it a bit more, like 7.one, I actually enjoy it more than mine more, perhaps because of its simplicity. 45 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:21.659 But I do find it's like this deck of cards that has been set up, you know, with different beats along the way. 46 00:03:21.719 --> 00:03:25.860 And you just have to flick one of the cards and that whole premise just falls apart. 47 00:03:25.979 --> 00:03:42.780 I mean, I have to give some kudos to Pip and Jane Baker that they asked to come in and write this after, you know, other writers fail to be able to deliver a script or or at least, you know, other writers fail to deliver a script that Eric Saywood was prepared to go with. 48 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:44.460 Okay, yeah, that's fair enough. 49 00:03:44.520 --> 00:03:58.259 I think that you've identified something good about the shift in tone at this and it's commented on in the trial where the Valiant asks the doctor, is his defence that he improves. 50 00:03:58.319 --> 00:04:18.000 And it is, you know, very definitely, we've had a horrifically cynical story that exemplifies all of the horrible things that have gone on in this era, particularly with the mistreatment of Perry, but also with that just, say, would adolescent cynicism that's plagued the story for quite some time. 51 00:04:18.060 --> 00:04:21.360 And this is actually a real relief from that. 52 00:04:21.420 --> 00:04:24.480 Yeah, I think that's what I get when I get to it. 53 00:04:24.540 --> 00:04:26.519 It is a relief from that oppression. 54 00:04:26.579 --> 00:04:28.680 And so he's not around because he's quit. 55 00:04:28.740 --> 00:04:37.620 Now, this was filmed 4th after the ultimate faux episodes 13 and 14, which, of course, led to Eric leaving as script editor. 56 00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:43.079 As you alluded to, they had horrible troubles filling this slot in the season. 57 00:04:43.199 --> 00:04:52.740 So initially they thought they could have 2 connected 2 part stories using the same sets, much like the Ark and Space and Revenge of the Cybermen. 58 00:04:52.800 --> 00:04:53.819 Or the Ark. 59 00:04:53.819 --> 00:04:55.079 Or the Ark, indeed. 60 00:04:55.139 --> 00:04:56.459 Who are the writers? 61 00:04:56.519 --> 00:04:59.699 The writers were David Halliwell and Jack Trevor story. 62 00:04:59.759 --> 00:05:01.259 So both completely new to Doctor Who. 63 00:05:01.319 --> 00:05:05.279 David Halliwell came up with full scripts. 64 00:05:05.339 --> 00:05:11.699 They do exist for a two-part story called Attack of the Mind, which dealt with the Freds and the Penelopeians. 65 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:25.860 The Freds are tunnelling Rodent Society, and the Penelopeans are these beautiful people and who say they're under attack from the Freds, but actually they're using their psychic powers to attack the Freds, and the doctor and Mel barely escape having caused a civil war. 66 00:05:25.920 --> 00:05:28.560 So it was another piece of prosecution from the valiard. 67 00:05:28.620 --> 00:05:43.379 The 2nd coming, which, as the title suggests, was meant to be the doctor coming back, there's not much known about it because Jack Trevor Story, the writer, according to Eric Saywood, couldn't get his head around writing for Doctor Who and would just get fixated on just images. 68 00:05:43.379 --> 00:05:46.620 Like, sort of Eric would say to him, like, okay, what are you considering? 69 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:50.519 And he'd say, I'm considering a man playing a saxophone in a gasometer. 70 00:05:50.699 --> 00:05:53.459 And Eric would say, and the story? 71 00:05:53.519 --> 00:05:55.620 Yeah, well, that's coming, you know. 72 00:05:55.680 --> 00:05:56.879 So that got rejected. 73 00:05:56.939 --> 00:06:02.759 So, Eric thought, let's go with an experienced writer and approached Christopher Hamilton Bitmead. 74 00:06:02.819 --> 00:06:04.079 Didn't he just say no? 75 00:06:04.139 --> 00:06:16.079 No, no, he came up with an idea called The Last Adventure, also known as Pinacophica, which was to be set in a museum of key times and places within history. 76 00:06:16.079 --> 00:06:18.240 And again, full scripts of that were written. 77 00:06:18.300 --> 00:06:23.160 But Eric didn't reject it by talking to Bidmead. 78 00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:27.779 Eric said to John Nathan Turner, this is boring and unuseable. 79 00:06:28.079 --> 00:06:32.879 Bid me then contacted the production office a month later to say to John, I haven't heard from Eric. 80 00:06:33.180 --> 00:06:40.019 Now, the next story to be commissioned for this slot was Paradise 5, which one of the missing audios. 81 00:06:40.079 --> 00:06:45.480 Yeah, which due to the unavailability of Bonnie Langford, they adapted instead with Nicola Bryant. 82 00:06:45.540 --> 00:06:47.339 And that's quite good. 83 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:48.839 It's written by P.J. 84 00:06:48.839 --> 00:06:51.420 Hammond of Sapphire and Steel and Torchwood fame. 85 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:52.860 You know, it's not brilliant. 86 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:54.540 It shares some similarities with this. 87 00:06:54.660 --> 00:06:56.819 But the creatures in there could never have been realised. 88 00:06:56.879 --> 00:06:59.279 No, they were sort of chariubs who could speak. 89 00:06:59.339 --> 00:07:16.439 So with all of those falling through, they turned to Pip and Jane Baker to write this story very quickly, as you've said, Todd, and also with John Nathan Turner script editing rather than Eric Saywood, because Eric Saywood had left and was just about to do his tell all interview. 90 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:20.639 Did say would commission Pip and Jane Baker or did that all happen after he left? 91 00:07:20.699 --> 00:07:25.439 No, I think he commissioned them because I think the scripts came in and he just, that was it. 92 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:32.220 Yeah, he just kind of went, yeah, all right. regardless of what else he may have thought, he did also know they were a pair of safe hands. 93 00:07:32.699 --> 00:07:38.759 And it is a competent script and it does do some things, you know, that don't happen in this era. 94 00:07:38.819 --> 00:07:47.939 I've complained that these stories are always set in underground space tunnels that all look the same to Perry and that sort of nasty, cynical things happen. 95 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:55.079 You know, they set up this world and then just have the doctor run around being captured and menaced and escaping and that kind of thing and nothing really happens. 96 00:07:55.139 --> 00:08:02.100 Whereas this story develops a bit and it does have a mystery and like various different things happen. 97 00:08:02.160 --> 00:08:08.399 I just love your face as you're describing this because it's like you're screwing up your face going, ooh, you know? 98 00:08:08.399 --> 00:08:11.220 Yeah, look, I don't think it's great, and it's certainly not inventive. 99 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:21.600 I guess the best analogue from a previous story is robots of death, where you've got people on a confined luxury vessel being picked off one by one. 100 00:08:21.660 --> 00:08:34.139 Here, it's a little bit more diffuse because you've got Raj, and you've got Howard, and you've got Lasky, and you've got the Megarians, you know, you've got a whole bunch of people who all want to take over the ship for one reason or another. 101 00:08:34.200 --> 00:08:40.080 So it's not particularly clear, but it does mean that a bunch of different things go on. 102 00:08:40.139 --> 00:08:44.340 And so it's not just a sort of linear capturing and escaping plot. 103 00:08:44.460 --> 00:08:46.320 In fact, it's not really that at all. 104 00:08:46.379 --> 00:08:48.360 Like the doctor doesn't get captured at all. 105 00:08:48.419 --> 00:08:56.159 Mel gets knocked out. once, but essentially they're given free run of the ship and they get to find out what's going on. 106 00:08:56.220 --> 00:08:57.659 They investigate things. 107 00:08:57.720 --> 00:09:02.820 And then given the free run of the ship, because the doctor has met Tonka Travers. 108 00:09:02.879 --> 00:09:06.419 What a name. his old friend. 109 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:10.559 And it's one thing that I absolutely detest in Doctor Who when we meet an old friend. 110 00:09:10.620 --> 00:09:18.360 And he's also met Mr. Hallett, who he describes as being, he admired him or some such thing. 111 00:09:18.419 --> 00:09:22.200 And unfortunately because of the casting of the most pathetic actor. 112 00:09:22.259 --> 00:09:26.100 You just kind of think, why is the doctor, why does the doctor admire this man? 113 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:28.200 Because he's just he's just a cretin? 114 00:09:28.259 --> 00:09:36.120 See, for once, I don't have a problem with, you know, the doctor running into old friends because we already know that this is at some point in his future. 115 00:09:36.179 --> 00:09:42.299 And as you said last week, Nathan, it gives us gaps in the doctor's timeline where we can imagine this has happened. 116 00:09:42.360 --> 00:09:44.220 And I don't know. 117 00:09:44.279 --> 00:10:00.600 I think possibly also because of the relationship between the doctor and Travers, it does feel like 2 people who've met before, you know, it's not the people of Carfell saying, oh, doctor, you know, you came here several generations ago, but there's no chemistry between anyone. 118 00:10:00.600 --> 00:10:12.059 Because Colin is now in full-blown, cuddly Colin mode, you know, he's lovely and he's sweet and he's silly and Travers is just like, I don't want you on my ship. 119 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:14.639 For God's sake, why are you here? 120 00:10:14.820 --> 00:10:17.879 Like Michael Craig is playing at Lake Judith Lucy, and it's rather fabulous. 121 00:10:17.940 --> 00:10:20.220 I think the relationship between the 2 is good. 122 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:34.620 I think I agree with Todd, that having the doctor made 2 old friends is incredibly lazy, and we did see that in the pretend season 23 that never happened, which was just lousy with the doctor meeting old friends in sort of every story. 123 00:10:34.740 --> 00:10:38.340 But it does give us a bit of shorthand. 124 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:41.340 You know, it's the psychic paper for this episode. 125 00:10:41.399 --> 00:10:45.120 It's why he doesn't have to prove himself to the authorities. 126 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:48.360 And the relationship between him and Michael Craig's character is pretty good. 127 00:10:48.419 --> 00:10:49.559 It is, actually. 128 00:10:49.620 --> 00:10:52.080 I do like the way they play against each other. 129 00:10:52.139 --> 00:11:02.340 I do think Michael Craig, however, does have this thing where you take an actor from a real-life setting and put him into a science fiction show and he has to deliver lines in a stilted sort of way. 130 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:05.940 So I actually don't particularly think he's great. 131 00:11:06.120 --> 00:11:11.519 He, of course, start in the ABC TV series GP after this. 132 00:11:11.580 --> 00:11:12.659 He was great in that. 133 00:11:13.139 --> 00:11:17.159 But he's in a real world situation like on earth, not in a fake spaceship. 134 00:11:17.220 --> 00:11:22.019 But having said all of that, you know, as much as I criticising, I actually do like him. 135 00:11:22.139 --> 00:11:26.100 Whereas the actor playing Hellot or Mr. Grenville is so pathetic. 136 00:11:26.100 --> 00:11:29.460 And there's an outtake which you can never unsee. 137 00:11:29.519 --> 00:11:30.720 So people go and watch them. 138 00:11:31.259 --> 00:11:33.600 You know, he's just spoken to Mr. Kimber. 139 00:11:33.659 --> 00:11:37.259 Mr. Kimber's revealed that he's actually, you know, was an investigator. 140 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:54.779 And this outtake, oh my goodness, he walks into his cabin, sits down, bumps his hand on his knee, as if annoyed, then he has to think about what he's going to do next, so he takes a pistol grip to his chin and sort of scratches his chin, and then he gets a bright idea, and he clicks his fingers and gets up and walks out. 141 00:11:54.840 --> 00:12:01.980 It is so, so pathetic and it is one of the best decisions in this story not to include that scene. 142 00:12:02.039 --> 00:12:04.500 I like how he's got a sort of slightly northern accent. 143 00:12:04.559 --> 00:12:09.899 And so when his dresses are Megarian, he's a Megarian with a slightly northern accent as well, which is quite good. 144 00:12:09.960 --> 00:12:10.860 Alert. 145 00:12:10.919 --> 00:12:11.820 Alert. 146 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:15.600 See, the thing that does my head in with this whole story is the fact that it's in the future. 147 00:12:15.659 --> 00:12:17.879 And so the Matrix can just extrapolate all this. 148 00:12:17.940 --> 00:12:24.419 Well, in the Deadly Assassin, they do say that they use the Matrix to extrapolate possible futures. just don't buy it. 149 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:26.940 That underlining premise just doesn't sit well with me. 150 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:28.860 Well, I mean, it is kind of stupid. 151 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:32.220 Imagine that this is a real trial, presumably during the recess. 152 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:37.919 Colin's gone and just watched a whole bunch of his future stories and has picked the best one. 153 00:12:37.980 --> 00:12:45.059 And so he'll leave here knowing all about going to happen. doesn't pick the Marion conspiracy. 154 00:12:45.299 --> 00:12:48.179 He doesn't pick arrangements for war. 155 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:48.899 I mean honestly. 156 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:50.340 Is he the one doctor? 157 00:12:50.700 --> 00:13:08.759 But there's another problem here, which is that what seems to happen is that the doctor actually seems to successfully defend himself and his defence isn't that in all of the prosecution evidence he was actually doing the right thing. 158 00:13:08.820 --> 00:13:13.559 He's intervened to make that point from time to time during those stories. 159 00:13:13.620 --> 00:13:26.820 But here, it's played as if he actually delivers a decisive blow on the prosecution, when we see Travers asking for him to solve the problem. 160 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:39.720 And he says, you know, I'm explicitly asked for help, and then and only then do I intervene, and the Inquisitor says, yes, uh, and that's irrefutable evidence, Valeyard. 161 00:13:39.779 --> 00:13:47.220 And so all he has to prove is on this one occasion, like his interference was asked for. 162 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:49.919 And that just doesn't make any sense. 163 00:13:49.980 --> 00:14:01.080 And then it's the genocide thing that comes in that gets him in trouble again, but it almost is meant to look, and it's too ineptly done to actually sort of come off. 164 00:14:01.139 --> 00:14:09.840 But it looks like the script is saying that the doctors actually won the case at that and then it's derailed by the genocide thing. 165 00:14:09.899 --> 00:14:13.379 But isn't the genocide thing just in the next story, just then dismissed? 166 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:15.059 Aren't you forgetting about article seven? 167 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:20.279 Like, isn't it isn't it the case with all of all of these stories that we're going to forget about the secrets? 168 00:14:20.340 --> 00:14:21.600 We going to forget about Perry's death. 169 00:14:21.659 --> 00:14:23.279 We going to forget about the genocide. 170 00:14:23.340 --> 00:14:25.559 It's just like we get to a and then it's like reset button. 171 00:14:25.620 --> 00:14:26.279 Yeah. 172 00:14:26.340 --> 00:14:29.460 So it's not one big giant 14 episode epic at all. 173 00:14:29.580 --> 00:14:33.000 It is just business as usual with some trial scenes thrown in. 174 00:14:33.059 --> 00:14:37.320 And the trial scenes at this point do really start to detract from the story. 175 00:14:37.379 --> 00:14:44.399 And it's probably going to come as a surprise to no one listening that this is my favourite story of the season. 176 00:14:44.460 --> 00:14:47.100 What was your favourite story last season? 177 00:14:47.159 --> 00:14:48.059 Mark of the Rani. 178 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:49.200 And is it for the same reason? 179 00:14:49.259 --> 00:14:52.860 It's Pip and Jane Baker, write fun, Doctor Who. 180 00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:59.759 It's not necessarily sophisticated by any means, but it's fun, reliable Doctor Who with the beginning, middle, and end. 181 00:14:59.820 --> 00:15:02.580 There's clearly defined characters. 182 00:15:02.639 --> 00:15:07.679 And in all 3 of their Doctor Who stories, and I suppose we can say 3.5 really. 183 00:15:07.799 --> 00:15:19.259 They do rely on the series mythos, you know, they've got time lords and they've got old friends of the doctor and what have you, but it never feels as leaden as when other writers do it for some reason. 184 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:25.620 Now, I think it's possibly because as you say, Nathan, when they do it, it's it's right to shorthand. 185 00:15:25.679 --> 00:15:33.659 It's saying, you know, the reason doctor can ingratiate himself in this situation. not going to spend 20 minutes of him doing it, is because he knows the captain of this ship. 186 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:39.779 And yeah, it is a convenience that 2 old friends of the doctor happen to be on the same ship at the same time. 187 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:41.820 I won't deny that for a second. 188 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:44.279 But, You know what? 189 00:15:44.340 --> 00:15:51.720 I never noticed that convenience until you mentioned it just now, Todd, and I think it's possible because the story just breezes along at a clip. 190 00:15:51.779 --> 00:15:55.379 You know, we don't have to wait 25 minutes for the doctor and Mel to arrive in the story. 191 00:15:55.440 --> 00:15:59.759 They're there right at the beginning, getting in amongst it. 192 00:15:59.879 --> 00:16:06.000 And I quite like the doctors. perceived reluctance to get involved. 193 00:16:06.059 --> 00:16:14.039 You know, he's still getting involved, but it means also that Mel, who, as we don't have an introduction story for her, this is her introduction story. 194 00:16:14.340 --> 00:16:20.159 She gets involved in the investigation and she's coming to the doctor and saying, well, this is what I think is going on. 195 00:16:20.220 --> 00:16:22.019 She's taking a proactive role. 196 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:27.419 The screaming at this stage is not a character problem. 197 00:16:27.480 --> 00:16:33.600 You know, she screams in understandable situations except for the cliffhanger to episode nine, which is just bloody ridiculous. 198 00:16:33.659 --> 00:16:35.759 Like, he screams in the right key. 199 00:16:36.539 --> 00:16:39.059 So that the closing sting fits. 200 00:16:39.120 --> 00:16:59.159 Yeah, like, I think Mel's screams are far more effective in the last episode when they're just little yelps of fear, like because she is surrounded by killer plant monsters in a dark room, you know, it's like that's an understandable thing, but the kind of sustain a scream note for 5 seconds. 201 00:16:59.279 --> 00:17:01.799 I don't blame Bonnie for this. 202 00:17:01.860 --> 00:17:04.440 I don't even think I really blame Chris Clough. 203 00:17:04.500 --> 00:17:06.240 I think this was coming from JNT. 204 00:17:06.299 --> 00:17:07.799 Oh yeah, no, it very definitely was. 205 00:17:07.859 --> 00:17:18.240 Do you remember the sort of publicity around Bonnie Langford when she was 1st cast where she was presented as a return to the companions from the 60s who screamed? 206 00:17:18.299 --> 00:17:22.799 And she doesn't play it like Victoria at all? 207 00:17:22.859 --> 00:17:26.579 You know, she's much more plucky, she's much more brave. 208 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:29.220 I really like Bonnie Langford. 209 00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:30.240 I think she's really good. 210 00:17:30.299 --> 00:17:32.700 I like her character a lot. 211 00:17:32.759 --> 00:17:42.059 I think she's overly stagey here and it is a problem that will continue. 212 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:47.579 She's a bit too presentational and she's playing it as kind of children's television. 213 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:49.440 She's not playing it naturalistically. 214 00:17:49.500 --> 00:17:57.359 And that is compounded by the terrible artificiality of the dialogue that she's given, that makes it worse. 215 00:17:57.420 --> 00:18:05.519 But, you know, at least she's not being menaced by anyone and her relationship with Colin is not antagonistic, it's nice. 216 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:08.460 I agree with a lot of what you've just said. 217 00:18:08.519 --> 00:18:16.500 I can't fault Bonnie's enthusiasm and the way in which she throws herself into the role during her time on the show, but she is very stagey. 218 00:18:16.559 --> 00:18:20.640 And I think it's heightened here because the doctor has to take a backseat, right? 219 00:18:20.700 --> 00:18:23.400 And so the companion has to be the one driving it. 220 00:18:23.460 --> 00:18:25.559 So it's sort of heightened a bit more. 221 00:18:25.619 --> 00:18:33.000 Yeah, and there is times when she does drop it back a bit. in this, but I love her relationship with the Colin Baker doctor. 222 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:36.180 Like I actually think they work for me, they work, they work. 223 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:44.160 Whereas next year I think it does become a problem in the 1st 8 episodes where she's like 150% full throttle and that really undermines things. 224 00:18:44.220 --> 00:18:48.240 And it's a shame that it takes so long for the character of Mel to actually get onto earth. 225 00:18:48.299 --> 00:18:48.839 Yeah. 226 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:52.680 Because you've mentioned this before, that when we do get to Delton Man and she's on Earth. 227 00:18:52.859 --> 00:18:55.079 There's a more naturalistic performance there. 228 00:18:55.140 --> 00:19:03.779 But we're going to get 12, 14 episodes of that children's acting and that for me becomes a problem. 229 00:19:03.779 --> 00:19:04.920 At the moment, it's not. 230 00:19:04.980 --> 00:19:09.420 The other thing too is, you know, there's a character called Janet in this, the stewardess. 231 00:19:09.480 --> 00:19:16.859 And unfortunately, the actress passed away a few years ago from cancer, but she's so natural in her performance. 232 00:19:16.859 --> 00:19:22.859 And with Colin, she has little scenes with Colin, very few, but there's just this, there's just this wonderful moments with them. 233 00:19:22.859 --> 00:19:24.359 And it's sort of like when I watch it. 234 00:19:24.420 --> 00:19:26.640 I mean, yeah, melon the doctor's great, right? 235 00:19:26.759 --> 00:19:29.460 I go, why couldn't you have come with the doctor? 236 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:30.180 Yeah. 237 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:38.099 My favourite moment with Janet in this, it is such a little tiny moment, it's when Grenville slash Hallet has been killed. 238 00:19:38.279 --> 00:19:41.880 And Kimba says, I recognise him, remember? 239 00:19:41.940 --> 00:19:44.160 And you come to Janet and she actually shakes her head. 240 00:19:44.220 --> 00:19:47.160 It's like, I'm not going to remember that tiny little thing. 241 00:19:47.220 --> 00:19:49.799 You know, I attend to all these needs on the cruise ship. 242 00:19:49.859 --> 00:19:51.779 And it just makes her a real character. 243 00:19:51.839 --> 00:20:00.000 You know, very often in Agatha Christie's because this was inspired by Murder on the Orient Express, um, and then there were none, et cetera. 244 00:20:00.059 --> 00:20:17.700 Very often in Agatha Christie stories, characters will remember tiny little details which you wouldn't remember as a real person, and it makes her a real person, and that bit at the end where the ship's under siege, and when it's over, she just sort of cuddles up to one of the security guards. 245 00:20:17.759 --> 00:20:19.559 You're right, Todd. 246 00:20:19.619 --> 00:20:22.920 She is such a naturalistic, likeable character. 247 00:20:22.980 --> 00:20:37.380 And it's kind of weird because she's not given anymore to do than, say, Madame Katrona, who was fabulous last week, and we just didn't get around to mentioning her, and she was fabulous. 248 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:44.279 But Janet makes more of an impact just by sort of inhabiting a reality within her world. 249 00:20:44.339 --> 00:20:52.559 She plays it real, whereas I think other people in this production and I've talked about, you know, Michael Craig play it like, well, we're acting on a spaceship. 250 00:20:52.619 --> 00:20:55.019 Yeah, you know, a sheet entertainment set. 251 00:20:55.079 --> 00:20:57.180 Yeah, where she actually does play it real. 252 00:20:57.240 --> 00:21:01.740 And that relationship with the 6th doctor, which I think is just lovely. 253 00:21:01.740 --> 00:21:04.920 And Colin is, as you said, is never more cuddly than he is here. 254 00:21:04.980 --> 00:21:07.019 I think there's a lightness of touch. 255 00:21:07.079 --> 00:21:09.839 There's the whole going down the wrong corridor, sort of thing. 256 00:21:09.900 --> 00:21:24.240 I will say this, however, this is my least favourite look for him in his entire time of the show, that hideous, hideous waistcoat with that awful yellow bow tie, and then his hair is never as long as it is red. 257 00:21:24.240 --> 00:21:25.500 It just looks dreadful. 258 00:21:25.559 --> 00:21:30.359 And then the director chooses to put him and Bonnie Langford against a green screen thing in space. 259 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:32.400 So you get all that fringing around their curly hair. 260 00:21:32.940 --> 00:21:34.799 How are you doing? 261 00:21:34.859 --> 00:21:44.220 Yeah, I mean, this is another Doctor Who episode where the model shots are done on video because they've spent all the money at the beginning of the season on the trial spaceship. they don't look good. 262 00:21:44.279 --> 00:21:45.240 They don't look good. 263 00:21:45.299 --> 00:21:51.660 But that being said, I do like the tracking shot into the lounge at the beginning where you see the side of the ship and then it comes up into the lounge. 264 00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:56.220 And I like the idea of that green screen looking out the observation dome. 265 00:21:56.279 --> 00:21:58.440 The fringing, as you say, Todd, is a problem. 266 00:21:58.500 --> 00:22:00.299 They have cleaned it up slightly for the DVD. 267 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:03.779 And the heads up display on the bridge where it was great. 268 00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:06.240 The black hole of Tartarus and all that, that looks quite good. 269 00:22:06.299 --> 00:22:12.779 And they actually need it for a plot thing because we need to see that Bruckner is driving the ship into the black hole. 270 00:22:12.839 --> 00:22:16.859 Yeah, I mean, the thing is, it's supposed to be this luxury liner, is that correct? 271 00:22:16.920 --> 00:22:23.519 It looks really cheap and tacky, like with the chairs and the really small cabins that don't seem to look out into anywhere. 272 00:22:23.579 --> 00:22:24.839 Like, I just find it looks really cheap. 273 00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:29.039 There's a sort of deco thing, which is kind of looking at murder on the Art Express. 274 00:22:29.099 --> 00:22:32.220 So I think the problem was... lighting? 275 00:22:32.279 --> 00:22:36.420 The lighting's a problem, but I also think just the complete lack of extras. 276 00:22:36.839 --> 00:22:41.220 Yeah, yeah, seem to be, you know, maybe 5 people on this. 277 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:45.779 Oh, especially when the Mogarians or whoever does that voiceover thing saying stay in your cabins. 278 00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:46.799 How convenient. 279 00:22:47.160 --> 00:23:00.720 Which is bizarre because the scene where Grenville Hallett slips into the Hydroponics Bay, there's about 10 technicians there who you think just put them in some other costumes and have them sitting in the back of shots just to fill out the space. 280 00:23:00.779 --> 00:23:07.859 Yeah, I mean, the doctor wanders into the gym at one and it's empty and he wanders into the lounge at one and it's completely empty. 281 00:23:07.920 --> 00:23:10.319 I mean, the ship is largely deserted. 282 00:23:10.380 --> 00:23:12.660 See, I have a problem with the gym set. 283 00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:15.539 Oh, it's really cheap and tactic. terrible, you know? 284 00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:35.279 But I like the hydroponics, but, you know, there's things like, well, you've got these creatures in these pods, but you're going to booby trap the whole thing, sort of explodes, and they're released, and then you've got this assistant who's obviously, you know, infected, but it undermines, I don't know, the security guard and the captain, like, these are the things that annoy me about it. 285 00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:36.720 Then when you start to think about these things. 286 00:23:36.779 --> 00:23:41.700 It's sort of like it's all artificially created so that we can get to certain cliffhangers and certain beats in the plot. 287 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:46.440 But when you pull it apart, I find that it falls apart in certain aspects. 288 00:23:46.500 --> 00:23:51.720 And that's what I, that's a continuing problem that I will have with Pip and Jane Baker's scripts from this point on. 289 00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:57.779 Speaking of cliffhangers, one cliffhanger in this story, I particularly hate and it could have been really good. 290 00:23:57.839 --> 00:24:04.019 It's like, okay, so they use that display on the ship to show that the ship is headed into the black hole of Tartarus. 291 00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:04.980 Okay, that's the cliffhanger. 292 00:24:05.039 --> 00:24:09.660 Okay, no, no, we're getting a really good shot of Bruckner's face looking in awe at the black hole. 293 00:24:09.720 --> 00:24:10.619 That's the cliffhanger. 294 00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:12.720 Oh, no, no, we're back out in the corridor now. 295 00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:19.859 And it has to be a close-up of Colin Baker saying, your colleague is aiming this ship into the black hole of Tartarus. 296 00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:21.960 It's like, we did not need that. 297 00:24:22.019 --> 00:24:25.500 A terrible, terrible cliffhanger too, because that seems like 2 minutes long. 298 00:24:25.559 --> 00:24:32.400 Like they just come in and it just gives Colin the chance to turn what could have been a visual threat into word peril. 299 00:24:32.460 --> 00:24:34.680 You know, we're standing in a corridor. 300 00:24:34.740 --> 00:24:38.940 I love the delivery of that line into the black hole of Tartarus. 301 00:24:39.000 --> 00:24:42.180 It cuts to Laski's face and she goes, whatever. 302 00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:46.440 And then it should go to Cliffhanger if we're going to be in the corridor, but it has to come back to him. 303 00:24:46.500 --> 00:24:49.980 And it's like when they find the mutant, like they open it up. 304 00:24:50.039 --> 00:24:52.440 Mel screams and then it zooms in on Colin's face. 305 00:24:52.500 --> 00:24:54.240 It's like, are you thinking about this people? 306 00:24:54.299 --> 00:24:56.099 Just the reveal of the mutant would be enough? 307 00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:56.759 Yeah, yeah. 308 00:24:57.420 --> 00:24:58.200 Colin screaming? 309 00:24:58.259 --> 00:25:00.960 Well, Colin's face is covered by a gas mask. 310 00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:06.539 You do like when everything explodes in episode one and she screams. 311 00:25:06.539 --> 00:25:10.019 Yeah, I think that is a good cliffhanger. that coming out. 312 00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:19.019 Something that has often been raised about the story is, you know, Lasky says, oh, you know, the verboids are designed to be servants and they don't need food and blah, blah. 313 00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:22.319 And it's like, why give them a bloody deadly sting then? 314 00:25:22.380 --> 00:25:24.779 But she does have a line. 315 00:25:24.839 --> 00:25:27.420 It's sort of an aside, so it's often overlooked. 316 00:25:27.539 --> 00:25:31.559 She does have a line where she says something must have gone wrong with the DNA profile. 317 00:25:31.619 --> 00:25:39.900 So some mutation has happened, which allows them to be aggressive and it's implied and not, it should be more explicitly stated, but it's implied that's Dolan's work. 318 00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:47.940 But the thing is this, to me, it's sort of like, they're so paranoid about everything down there in these things getting out, right? 319 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:50.099 Does that mean they've actually hatched one before? 320 00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:57.359 Like, to me, it's sort of like they've actually had to deal with a real vervoid, because would they then actually know that it's actually going to be successful? 321 00:25:57.420 --> 00:26:02.940 Yeah, Brugner knows too, that once the vervoids escape, everyone's in terrible danger. 322 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:04.799 Yeah, so maybe she does know they have a stinger. 323 00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:11.880 I think that they've just read Day of the Triffords and they know that genetically engineered plants inevitably rise up and wipe out all of human civilisation. 324 00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:22.380 You know, I think, come to think of it, I think that's another thing I like about Pip and Jane Baker stories is that they take the David Whittaker approach if they take a scientific idea and construct a story around it. 325 00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:31.559 So for Marco the Rani, it was the idea that an amoral scientist would see humanity is just walking piles of chemicals. 326 00:26:31.619 --> 00:26:41.160 In this story, it was because in their research they found out that plants and humans had at that point recently been revealed to share some of the same hormones. 327 00:26:41.339 --> 00:26:43.380 So what would that work include? 328 00:26:43.500 --> 00:26:50.400 Later on in time in the Rani, it's the idea of a cerebral mass changing time, you know, and it gets a bit more esoteric. 329 00:26:50.460 --> 00:26:51.960 Oh, and strange matter. 330 00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:52.619 And strange matter. 331 00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:53.940 Because that was only recently discovered. 332 00:26:54.059 --> 00:26:54.960 Yeah, yeah. 333 00:26:55.019 --> 00:27:10.200 So, you know, they, unlike, say timelash, you know, timelash has science fiction ideas, but it's not about taking real recognisable science, copyright, Christopher Hamilton, Bidmead and turning it into science fiction. 334 00:27:10.859 --> 00:27:17.940 Now, we, of course, have spoken about Brian Blessed as the big guest star last week and Joan Sims 2 weeks beforehand. 335 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:20.339 Of course, this time we have honour Blackman. 336 00:27:20.700 --> 00:27:24.059 I actually really like her in this. 337 00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:26.940 I think it's a bit thankless and it is a bit wasted. 338 00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:29.640 Like, it's kind of overcasting, isn't it? 339 00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:35.279 But she, I mean, she is so brilliantly fabulous in Goldfinger. 340 00:27:35.339 --> 00:27:46.859 Like, she must be one of the best Bond girls in the history of the show until that roll in the hay, which is, you know, deeply insulting and kind of embarrassing on all sorts of levels. 341 00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:51.539 She's, you know, a cut above everyone else when it comes to actual acting. 342 00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:54.299 She has a class about it. 343 00:27:54.359 --> 00:27:58.259 I think she's got it written into her contract that this is my best side of my face. 344 00:27:58.319 --> 00:28:00.180 At some point she gets knocked out or killed. 345 00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:01.980 Like you have to show this part of it. 346 00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:11.579 I think people need to play the Demeter seat game. where she's in the lounge in pink and then somebody will come up to her and say, well, there's a problem. 347 00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:14.339 Go and check the hydroponics, have a Demeter seed. 348 00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:17.700 Then she's in her purple outfit in the gym. 349 00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:23.099 Somebody interrupts her, oh, quick go and check the isolation room, have a Demeter seat. 350 00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:29.039 Then she's had it allowed in her pink outfit, reading something and something happens to me to see. 351 00:28:29.099 --> 00:28:30.599 Then she's back into the gym again. 352 00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:32.640 It's very funny if you actually watch. 353 00:28:32.700 --> 00:28:34.259 There's a couple instances where that doesn't happen. 354 00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:38.579 But throughout the whole thing, I just kind of go, okay, she's there, she's there. all the way through. 355 00:28:38.700 --> 00:28:42.359 And in fact, she does hate having her routine interrupted, doesn't she? 356 00:28:42.420 --> 00:28:42.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 357 00:28:43.019 --> 00:28:48.359 But, you know, a routine seems to be, you know, a bit of reading and then the gym. 358 00:28:48.420 --> 00:28:55.140 And that's that seems to be her routine and let her minions sort of worry about everything else, which is quite fabulous and quite funny. 359 00:28:55.200 --> 00:29:00.180 And she's got that wonderful scene with the doctor and Mel with the Demeter seed in the lounge, which I really do like. 360 00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:09.240 And that's something that we've done before where the doctor's companion is much better at dealing with people than the doctor is, but the doctor thinks he's better. 361 00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:11.940 You know, like Mary and Tom in the pirate planet. 362 00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:14.940 And I think that that's terrifically good. 363 00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:17.039 I like her relationship with Colin. 364 00:29:17.099 --> 00:29:18.720 I think that's really funny. 365 00:29:18.779 --> 00:29:26.460 And the great thing about that Demeter seed scene is the men in the scene are completely locked out by the women having a scientific conversation. 366 00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:27.900 It's really great. 367 00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:32.579 And then, of course, you know, when Raj finally turns up, Lasky's like, oh, what do you want? 368 00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:34.859 And it's actually the doctor who jumps through his face. 369 00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:35.940 You said for him. 370 00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:36.839 This is your fault. 371 00:29:36.900 --> 00:29:39.839 You know, they're things that I don't particularly like. 372 00:29:39.900 --> 00:29:43.140 Like you talked about the key, like, you know, in the dialogue. 373 00:29:43.259 --> 00:29:46.859 The key 6 is, no, it's key 9, your luggage is, like, I mean... 374 00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:47.460 How does she get in? 375 00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:48.359 Yeah, yeah. 376 00:29:48.420 --> 00:29:49.740 If it's the wrong key handed she get in. 377 00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:58.500 And then, you know, we put old towels in a bucket and we're just going to put them into a furnace, like, you know, you know, so Mel's going to be put into furnaces. 378 00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:05.099 Everything, like, it just seems like a complete waste of, you know, rather than washing it or whatever. just right down there. 379 00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:06.299 Like, do you know what I'm saying? 380 00:30:06.660 --> 00:30:09.960 When you start to think about it, that makes no sense. 381 00:30:10.019 --> 00:30:18.119 Yeah, I mean, why couldn't the line earlier have been, whoever was in that bucket has been thrown into the washing machine and give it a solid rinse ticket in my book, that's murder. 382 00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:25.680 Things like that just drive me up the wall. 383 00:30:25.740 --> 00:30:40.019 I think too, there's something really kind of childish about the 6 and 9 thing. you know, and it's like the McGarian who doesn't switch on his translator, which goes on for about 15 minutes, that scene, and it's not, you don't have to be that smart, you know? 384 00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:45.539 Sign posted in episode one when, you know, Janet encounters a Megarian and doesn't switch on his translator. 385 00:30:45.660 --> 00:30:55.680 Like, I mean, that's the thing I have with this, is the fact that I find that it is pitched very childish, which, you know, fair enough, but when I watch it, I just kind of think, okay, didn't switch it on. 386 00:30:55.740 --> 00:30:57.720 Oh, Rudge, she's up to something. 387 00:30:57.779 --> 00:31:01.619 This is a complete slide plot just so that we have an episode three. you know how we don't. 388 00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:09.059 And then so when the doctor actually vocalises that, you know, this is just a sideshow, well, I go, yes, it's just a side plot to continue the story for an extra episode. 389 00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:13.619 Whereas in other Doctor Who's, there are side plots that do that, but you don't think that as that happens. 390 00:31:13.740 --> 00:31:15.299 Yeah, it's not a sign person. 391 00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:23.279 I think, though, you know, what could have happened is the doctor could have been locked up for episode 3 to prevent us from getting to the resolution. 392 00:31:23.339 --> 00:31:24.660 That's peaky. 393 00:31:24.660 --> 00:31:25.799 That's pizza, right? 394 00:31:25.859 --> 00:31:26.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 395 00:31:26.700 --> 00:31:34.920 At least the story develops and there's a series of different threats, which aren't related to one another, but, you know, are reasonably interesting. 396 00:31:34.980 --> 00:31:41.039 But I think it is TV written by kind of dumb people who think they're being smart. 397 00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:45.779 And obviously that's really clear in all of the dialogue. 398 00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:54.059 You know, the way that words are used, like big words are unnecessarily used and make everyone sound sort of terribly artificial. 399 00:31:54.119 --> 00:31:57.420 Is your study of all 1980s, Doctor Who's so antidiluvian? 400 00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:11.940 Yeah, the antediluvian and the brown study and all of that sort of stuff, which is just like hanging a lampshade on the fact that no one talks normally, everyone sort of speaks in these sort of stupid, stupid, abstruse, weird, rare words. 401 00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:13.140 Here's the question. 402 00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:14.579 We call them vervoids. 403 00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:15.900 Why? 404 00:32:16.019 --> 00:32:21.480 I think there's a kind of plant called vervain. and that's what they're named after. 405 00:32:21.539 --> 00:32:23.579 But yeah, no, I don't know. 406 00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:24.359 Are you making that up? 407 00:32:24.420 --> 00:32:25.619 No, that's a real thing. 408 00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:26.460 It's a real thing. 409 00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:27.779 Kelly Ann Conway told me. 410 00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:31.140 They also apparently slightly look like volvers but I wouldn't know. 411 00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:35.279 Oh yeah, well, it's a great tradition of Doctor Who monsters that look somewhat rude. 412 00:32:35.339 --> 00:32:37.200 I never understood. 413 00:32:37.259 --> 00:32:39.359 No, I still don't really wonder why that is. 414 00:32:39.420 --> 00:32:41.880 I think they look like cauliflower. 415 00:32:41.940 --> 00:32:44.220 With the sort of Banksia for a mouth. 416 00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:48.720 But it's quite funny because they, you know, when they do their gas out of their, whatever. 417 00:32:48.779 --> 00:32:51.359 And there's a little bit that comes out sometimes. 418 00:32:51.420 --> 00:32:59.279 And then other times when people are in showers and stuff, it's like they've farted rather than... something like stacks and stacks of it. 419 00:32:59.339 --> 00:33:00.000 Do you know what I'm saying? 420 00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:04.079 Like when you watch it, you kind of go... it's just a little bit coming out and then all of a sudden it's like... 421 00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:07.980 And then, of course, when Mel covers her mouth, it's like, oh, God, that's... 422 00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:10.559 I would have been eating. 423 00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:15.000 You know, a sign from old man from the state of decay. 424 00:33:15.059 --> 00:33:17.759 What do we think of the verbo performances? 425 00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:21.720 I think they're hilarious. 426 00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:27.660 We are doing splendidly. for the next 30 minutes, at least. 427 00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:32.819 And they come out speaking English and knowing who everyone is. 428 00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:33.900 Do you know what I mean? 429 00:33:33.960 --> 00:33:35.579 They know Professor Lasky. 430 00:33:35.579 --> 00:33:36.599 Yeah, yes, we know who you are. 431 00:33:36.660 --> 00:33:37.079 Yeah, yeah. 432 00:33:37.140 --> 00:33:42.480 They're actually a bit terrifying when they actually do confront everybody in a group, like in the corridor and drag them back to that. 433 00:33:42.539 --> 00:33:44.339 Yeah, I think that's quite good. 434 00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:49.259 And I think Mel's best reaction is when she sees that compost heap. 435 00:33:49.319 --> 00:34:05.039 And it does the thing that was kind of promised with Collins doctor where he's alien and has different values because he interprets that as the vervoids following instinct and compares it to the compost heat that Mel had at home. 436 00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:14.639 And that's a true way of looking at it, but a different way from how Mel's looking at it, but he still respects her feelings enough to comfort her. 437 00:34:14.699 --> 00:34:18.599 And her reaction to that, her being upset, I think, is well played. 438 00:34:18.659 --> 00:34:25.980 I think that whenever she's given a proper emotional reaction to things, even though her tendency is to overplay things. 439 00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:27.599 I think that that's when she's at her best. 440 00:34:27.659 --> 00:34:48.480 One of the things Eric Saywood says in the various interviews he has on these discs is that, you know, he was against her casting, but he wrote a specific circular logic scene for her and Colin to play, and they did it as an audition, and he actually says that he was actually quite surprised at how, like, she actually did it well, and he actually says this could work. actually admits to that. 441 00:34:48.539 --> 00:35:02.940 Yeah, it was a big problem because, of course, she was a famous child actor in the Just William TV series where she played Violet Elizabeth Bott, who was always going to scream and scream and scream until she was sick or something like that. 442 00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:06.659 And so she grew up being kind of hated on television. 443 00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:15.480 And then there's that terrible kind of Noel coward line about her in that play, which let's not repeat it. 444 00:35:15.539 --> 00:35:17.519 But I might link to it in the show. 445 00:35:17.579 --> 00:35:18.239 No, no, no. 446 00:35:18.300 --> 00:35:19.019 I think we're going to. 447 00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:20.519 So she was in a play with an elephant. 448 00:35:20.579 --> 00:35:22.199 No, no, I think it was just a horse. 449 00:35:22.260 --> 00:35:23.639 There was a horse on stage. 450 00:35:23.699 --> 00:35:24.239 Oh, right. 451 00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:26.579 And the horse defecated on stage. 452 00:35:26.699 --> 00:35:33.059 And Noel Coward said that the 2 biggest problems in the play could have been solved by kind of inserting the child actor into the horse. 453 00:35:34.139 --> 00:35:37.739 Oh my lord, which is really horrible. 454 00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:40.199 And I mean, I love Bonnie Langford. 455 00:35:40.260 --> 00:35:41.340 I just think she's terrific. 456 00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:42.659 And she's all funny. 457 00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:43.800 It is really funny. 458 00:35:43.860 --> 00:35:45.719 But I think she's lovely in the show. 459 00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:55.500 It's unfortunate that her 1st what, 14 episodes or something or 1st 10 episodes are written by Pip and Jane Baker. 460 00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:59.219 So that's a big problem for establishing her character. 461 00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:00.900 But I think she's really plucky. 462 00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:01.980 She's likeable. 463 00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:07.980 She has some advantages over Perry in that they don't have the antagonistic relationship. 464 00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:11.280 She's not constantly being threatened in a sort of sexual way. 465 00:36:11.340 --> 00:36:13.619 She's never sexualised in the way that Perry is. 466 00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:15.840 And since the show's been on. 467 00:36:15.900 --> 00:36:18.000 She's just been lovely, you know, afterwards. 468 00:36:18.059 --> 00:36:22.679 Yeah, I mean, she's now in EastEnders and she's absolutely killing it in the role there. 469 00:36:22.739 --> 00:36:25.559 And her stuff on audio is just amazing. 470 00:36:25.619 --> 00:36:37.019 Like, they get the character and she's given light and shade and, um, in this, one of the things that I have a problem with is that, I don't know if it's in this story. they say that she's a computer programmer or whatever, which I never buy. 471 00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:41.039 Because the 1st scene she's to do with health and fitness. 472 00:36:41.099 --> 00:36:52.440 And it's sort of like I could buy her as like owner of the gym or personal trainer or something like that. referencing Colin's weight in that way in the show, I think, is a mistake in that scene. 473 00:36:52.500 --> 00:36:54.780 I mean, they play it for last, but I don't think it really worked. 474 00:36:54.900 --> 00:36:57.900 It's not fun And then she's in the gym all the time in this. 475 00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:01.380 So it just leads me to that she's a fitness fanatic, you know? 476 00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:08.519 The problem with her being a computer programmer is they don't get anyone to write or edit the scripts who knows anything about computers. 477 00:37:08.940 --> 00:37:15.239 Because, you know, the few references we get to computers over her tenure are written by Pip and Jane Baker. 478 00:37:15.300 --> 00:37:17.519 And the whole megabyte modem thing. 479 00:37:17.579 --> 00:37:29.519 They do explain that in the making of as Mel is wrong when she says it's a megabyte modem, but the idea of the megabyte modem was cutting edge technology then, and there was a fear it could be used in the Cold War, et cetera. 480 00:37:29.579 --> 00:37:38.699 So if she sees a piece of advanced technology, she's going to think it's that, and they both say, as it's realised on screen, a box with flashing lights, it's a stupid line. 481 00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:41.039 Well, I mean, it's kind of a stupid line. 482 00:37:41.099 --> 00:37:42.539 Is there really a megabyte modem? 483 00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:45.840 It just sounds like 2 words to do with computers that have been smushed together. 484 00:37:45.900 --> 00:37:48.840 She doesn't strike you as a real person at all, really. 485 00:37:48.900 --> 00:37:50.039 And that is a problem. 486 00:37:50.099 --> 00:37:50.340 Yeah. 487 00:37:50.340 --> 00:37:50.699 Yeah. 488 00:37:50.820 --> 00:37:53.579 So other people in this cast. 489 00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:55.260 We've got Rudge. 490 00:37:55.320 --> 00:37:55.860 Yep. 491 00:37:55.920 --> 00:37:59.219 And Doland and Bruckner? 492 00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:02.159 I think they're all reasonably competent at times. 493 00:38:02.219 --> 00:38:08.820 Yeah, I think Brookner can sell that cliffhanger to episode 3 and going slightly crazier as things go along. 494 00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:11.340 He was Stimson in the leisure hive. 495 00:38:11.460 --> 00:38:12.179 Yes, that's right. 496 00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:15.059 Doland, I think, is pretty good. 497 00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:19.800 He was quite terrifying in one of the English House of Cards miniseries. 498 00:38:19.860 --> 00:38:20.760 He's pretty good in that. 499 00:38:20.820 --> 00:38:21.599 I think he's okay. 500 00:38:21.659 --> 00:38:22.679 He underplays it here. 501 00:38:22.739 --> 00:38:25.500 I think he has to because he's supposed to be the villain. 502 00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:32.159 But I think that's hilarious because, like, you know, when the Mogarians get their deadly coffee, both he and Janet are not there. 503 00:38:32.219 --> 00:38:33.059 What's Janet doing? 504 00:38:33.179 --> 00:38:34.139 Is she filing her nails? 505 00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:35.099 like, you know, what's going on? 506 00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:38.340 Because, you know, I reckon she could have been the mastermind of this whole thing. 507 00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:39.300 That would have been hilarious. 508 00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:40.920 We did not ask for refreshment. 509 00:38:40.980 --> 00:38:45.179 Yeah, I think Pip and Jane are trying to create a red herring where we think it's. 510 00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:53.519 I kind of hope that she was going to be the sister of the poor mutant girl and she's after revenge on everyone. being the poor stewardess as well. 511 00:38:53.579 --> 00:38:54.539 Yo, that's the thing. 512 00:38:54.599 --> 00:39:01.139 At the end of the story, she and the Commodore, who, of course, has his arm injury, wander off into the dark shadows, then she kills him. 513 00:39:03.239 --> 00:39:09.300 Speaking of dark shadows, you know, in the bits of the ducting with the vervoids in their compost peep. 514 00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:10.619 Again, we've turned the lights down. 515 00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:29.400 So there's a contrast between the bright lights of the cruise ship public areas, which would be brightly lit, and the dim light of the ventilation shaft, and it's not like a Star Trek ventilation shaft where everything's neat and tidy and in metal tubes. like, well, no, this is behind the scenes of a consumer area. 516 00:39:29.460 --> 00:39:33.960 So, you know, it's not a complete mess, but it's utilitarian. 517 00:39:34.019 --> 00:39:45.000 And then we get the sort of emergency red lighting in the conclusion, which also looks great, and the sets look really good under that, and it does look scary. 518 00:39:45.059 --> 00:39:48.000 I think that those whole sequences are great. 519 00:39:48.059 --> 00:39:49.860 And when they use the v, what is it? 520 00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:50.579 Viennesium. 521 00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:53.159 Oh, yes, another wonderful rare metal. 522 00:39:53.219 --> 00:39:55.800 It's probably the most valuable substance in the universe, actually. 523 00:39:55.860 --> 00:40:00.119 After that substance that was found on the floor of silicone. 524 00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:03.300 Of 2 twins, plates. or Maconite. or zanium. 525 00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:04.739 That's right on J3. 526 00:40:04.980 --> 00:40:07.619 I was going somewhere. methane. 527 00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:09.840 But, you know, it's really quite gravel. 528 00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:13.679 Why do I have to put up with this? 529 00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:19.679 But it's really quite haunting, you know, all of, and they're dying as well, I think is pretty good. 530 00:40:19.739 --> 00:40:23.760 There is that shot of the fake doctor's hand with the with the leaf, you know? 531 00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:25.679 I don't know, that leaf should blow away. 532 00:40:25.739 --> 00:40:27.179 It shouldn't sort of vanish. 533 00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:29.099 The whole point of it is it's autumn. 534 00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:36.300 You know, they do that great colour thing where the vervoids change colour and they just do that on the video. 535 00:40:36.300 --> 00:40:54.239 And the idea is, uh, and it's a very Pip and Jane idea, it's kind of trying to be smart and scientific, but not quite coming off, but the idea that they accelerate the life cycle and it goes from spring to summer to autumn and they all die. 536 00:40:54.300 --> 00:40:58.260 And the music kind of sells it as a sad moment. 537 00:40:58.320 --> 00:40:59.699 At that point. 538 00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:04.739 Like some of the music is very clunky, you know, in the 1st scenes like, you know, they're bang, bang. 539 00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:06.239 Well, it's Malcolm Cline. 540 00:41:06.300 --> 00:41:08.340 Yeah, so Malcolm Clark did twin dilemma. 541 00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:10.260 You did attack of the Cymon, did you? 542 00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:16.860 He did attack assignment and he had a bad tendency in attack of the cybermen to underline all of the jokes. 543 00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:22.860 So to do a little comedy sting when something funny happened, and he does do that here, and that's kind of embarrassing. 544 00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:26.340 Oh, yes, is that that sort of panpipe music that you do-doo-doo thing. 545 00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:34.739 Yeah, it's not quite that, but at certain times when the doctor says some really pathetic jokes, like, don't throw a talent meal or whatever, then there's a little... happy moment. 546 00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:36.960 Do you know, I hate the line. 547 00:41:37.019 --> 00:41:39.420 I wish I could get rid of my waste as easily. 548 00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:45.840 Because I never read it as W-A-I-S-T. Oh, clearly what it's meant to be. 549 00:41:45.900 --> 00:41:51.599 I always read it as W-A-S-T-E, and it's kind of like, couldn't you just nip off to the loo, Colin? 550 00:41:51.659 --> 00:41:52.079 Like, really? 551 00:41:52.380 --> 00:41:57.900 Sorry, he wants to go in a bucket. to go down to the furnace or whatever it's called. 552 00:41:57.960 --> 00:41:59.039 Choking in a furnace. 553 00:41:59.099 --> 00:42:00.420 The pulverizer. 554 00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:01.440 Is it a pulverizer? 555 00:42:01.500 --> 00:42:05.280 It's like a moment out of... 556 00:42:05.340 --> 00:42:10.079 Sorry, Galaxy Quest, you know, where she's going, who puts these chompy things in? 557 00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:12.599 We've got the pulverizer this week. 558 00:42:12.659 --> 00:42:14.579 Can I like the iris thing? 559 00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:15.599 I think that's. 560 00:42:15.659 --> 00:42:16.619 Yeah, it's really well done. 561 00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:18.179 Now, rating. 562 00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:20.699 Ratings Mel debuts to 5.2 million. 563 00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:24.179 Yeah, I thought that she would probably get a lot of people in because she is famous. 564 00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:25.619 This is big casting, isn't it? 565 00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:27.119 Then it drops down to 4.6. 566 00:42:27.300 --> 00:42:32.280 Then we're back up to 5.3 and I think 5.2 for the final episode. 567 00:42:32.340 --> 00:42:42.000 So, you know, it's the one it's the one story that does rate above 5 million, but it's still all 85 to 93, you know, we're still in that sort of sort of range. 568 00:42:42.059 --> 00:42:44.699 I mean, next week it's going to drop down to 4.4. 569 00:42:44.940 --> 00:42:47.159 Figure that out for the penultimate episode. 570 00:42:47.219 --> 00:42:55.019 I think the penultimate episode, spoiler alert for next week might be the strongest episode of the, not the strongest story, but the strongest single episode. 571 00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:56.639 It's always the way, isn't it? 572 00:42:56.699 --> 00:43:01.739 that often really great strong doctor episodes don't rate as much. 573 00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:13.380 And then the next week, because the final episode of season will get 5.6. suddenly like then the one after gets the viewers in to see something that perhaps is not quite as good as what they missed the previous week. 574 00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:17.219 But look, you know, I came into this expecting to really dislike it. 575 00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:32.340 Like with all the, we've discussed all of its sports and they're all there and I consider Pip and Jane Baker scripts to be like colouring in books with, you know, you've got all, it's all cenciled out with all the numbers, then you've just got to get your, your crayon and, and, you know, fill it in, right? 576 00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:38.159 And sometimes I go in the lines and I do a really great job and other times it's like, I've just scribbled over everything. 577 00:43:38.219 --> 00:43:43.380 And so I actually quite enjoyed this after doing my head in the previous story. 578 00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:45.300 There's banal dialogue. 579 00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:47.159 There's situations that don't make sense. 580 00:43:47.219 --> 00:43:49.440 There's some poor direction, but there's some good performances. 581 00:43:49.500 --> 00:43:52.739 I think Colin's just lovely throughout the entire thing. 582 00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:55.440 Bonnie's really in there giving it an all. 583 00:43:55.500 --> 00:43:56.820 Lasky's fabulous. 584 00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:58.139 I love Janet. 585 00:43:58.199 --> 00:43:59.519 The Commodore works. 586 00:43:59.579 --> 00:44:06.059 I don't particularly like a lot of the costumes, been these jumpsuits and those shoulder paddy things. 587 00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:07.199 I think you like them, don't you? 588 00:44:07.260 --> 00:44:09.239 Well, I don't necessarily like them. 589 00:44:09.300 --> 00:44:12.119 They're not necessarily something like cosplay in, but I like that. 590 00:44:12.179 --> 00:44:15.480 There's a design aesthetic in this universe. 591 00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:24.179 And the crew of the ship have uniforms whose lines reflect the casual wear of the society. 592 00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:31.260 Like if you look at military uniforms in our world, they're based around formal attire in the civilian world. 593 00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:55.260 So the sort of having the mid-chest panel, which is a common feature in all the costumes, or most of the costumes, and then having a similar mid-chest panel on the crew uniforms, it's just a subtle little thing that makes the world feel connected, and it's not just, let's put everyone in curtains like in time lash. 594 00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:57.300 That's why I like them. 595 00:44:57.360 --> 00:44:58.800 I also love Mr. Kimba. 596 00:44:58.860 --> 00:44:59.940 Any show with Mr. Kimberley? 597 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:01.019 against bonus points. 598 00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:02.219 Arthur Hewitt? 599 00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:03.059 Arthur Hewlett. 600 00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:03.960 I'll have to show you this. 601 00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:08.400 He's in a very early episode of The Avengers, along with Ortron from The Monster of Palette. 602 00:45:08.460 --> 00:45:11.099 Oh, no, they would have been really young. 603 00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:19.500 I would say Frank Gatliff is in his 40s and Kimber looks like he's in his 50s and that's 20 years before things. 604 00:45:20.219 --> 00:45:23.039 He's Steed's boss in that one story. 605 00:45:23.099 --> 00:45:25.500 Because he was in state of decay, wasn't he? 606 00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:26.579 Yes, he was Calmar. 607 00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:27.840 No, he's charming in this. 608 00:45:27.900 --> 00:45:28.380 He's lovely. 609 00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:29.820 So, you know, when he dies. 610 00:45:29.820 --> 00:45:31.559 I really feel sad at that point. 611 00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:33.300 Yeah, Janet's reaction is great. 612 00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:33.960 Yeah, yeah. 613 00:45:33.960 --> 00:45:36.239 Janet's reaction's really good. it's really terrific. 614 00:45:36.300 --> 00:45:40.440 Look, I like season 23 more than season 22. 615 00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:45.900 I'm kind of glad that the miserable cynicism of the Sabred era is now over. 616 00:45:45.960 --> 00:46:03.840 I don't think this is very good, but it's pleasant and brightly coloured and reasonably enjoyable and it is Colin's doctor looking really horrific, but actually being really rather lovely and playing to Colin's strengths as an actor, I think. 617 00:46:03.900 --> 00:46:06.719 And I'm just going to say this coming from me. 618 00:46:06.780 --> 00:46:08.099 You know, I love season 22. 619 00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:11.039 I love I love the friction and I love all that. 620 00:46:11.940 --> 00:46:18.659 Had this been his doctor from day one, maybe things might have played out very differently. 621 00:46:18.719 --> 00:46:20.039 I think they would have done. 622 00:46:20.099 --> 00:46:20.940 I think you're absolutely right. 623 00:46:21.059 --> 00:46:24.659 And that is possibly the reason that this is my favourite Colin Baker story. 624 00:46:24.780 --> 00:46:28.019 I agree, there's nothing particularly groundbreaking about it. 625 00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:32.099 Not only is it kind of standard Doctor Who tropes. 626 00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:34.380 It's standard Agatha Christie tropes in there as well. 627 00:46:34.380 --> 00:46:39.059 And even then, you know, when Doland is revealed as the murderer. 628 00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:40.679 It's actually not terribly clear. 629 00:46:40.739 --> 00:46:47.400 I think because Malcolm Tierney's performance is very good, but because he's so understated, that moment is understated as well. 630 00:46:47.460 --> 00:46:49.260 As a kid, I never realised he was the murderer. 631 00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:53.519 But to me, as a kid, who was the murderer didn't matter because there was monsters. 632 00:46:53.579 --> 00:46:58.920 So I think also it fulfils the Doctor Who brief of, you know, it works on different levels for kids and adults. 633 00:46:58.980 --> 00:47:05.639 But yet, it's just Colin is clearly really enjoying himself, that comes across in the performance. 634 00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:10.139 He has immediate and great chemistry with Bonnie. 635 00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:22.199 The rest of the cast seem to be enjoying themselves on a black man has said later that while she enjoyed herself on it, she felt that the BBC weren't giving the show the support that it used to have, and she was right. 636 00:47:22.260 --> 00:47:33.119 Michael Craig had was told off by the director several times because whenever he fired his gun, he'd go, and they had to explain to him, no, Michael, we do that in post. 637 00:47:33.179 --> 00:47:34.260 Oh, sorry, I'm just so excited. 638 00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:36.119 Like, he was really happy to be in it. 639 00:47:36.179 --> 00:47:37.500 It's nice to hear. 640 00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:48.360 Yeah, so it seems to be sort of a callback to those early Peter Davidson days where when the guest cars talk about it, they're like, oh, you know, we were in Doctor Who and we were having such a fun time. 641 00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:52.380 Doctor Who is starting to be fun again. 642 00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:53.639 That's why I love this one so much. 643 00:48:17.699 --> 00:48:28.019 Well, dear listener, we've been charged with genocide, so we're going to come back next week, but it had just all that swept onto the rug, because, I don't know, we've paid no tax or something. 644 00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:30.960 It's the ultimate foe next week, so do come back for that. 645 00:48:31.019 --> 00:48:38.280 In the meantime, you can find us online at flightthroughentirety.sexy, flight through entirety on Facebook and iTunes and FTE podcast on Twitter. 646 00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:50.699 Don't forget, you can vote in our Tom Baker commentary, and the 4 options are the hand of fear, the sun makers, the stones of blood, and the horns of Nymon. 647 00:48:50.760 --> 00:49:09.239 You can find a link to the poll in the show notes, and also at flightthroughentirety.sexy to see what James Bond was up to at roughly the same time as this, or maybe about a year later, check out Bondfinger.com, Bondfinger on Facebook and iTunes and Bondfinger cast on Twitter, where we are currently slumming it with Timothy Dalton. 648 00:49:09.300 --> 00:49:15.539 Until next week, may none of you forget that you're not supposed to be able to have oxygen, so why are you drinking a water-based beverage? 649 00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:17.159 Thank you very much for listening a good night. 650 00:49:17.219 --> 00:49:17.880 Good night. 651 00:49:17.940 --> 00:49:18.960 See you soon. 652 00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:27.480 That was Flight through Entirety, starring Todd BLB, Nathan Bottomley, and Brendan Jones. theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb. 653 00:49:27.539 --> 00:49:31.860 This episode, the Demeter seed game, was recorded on the 1st of April 2017. 654 00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:35.400 The next episode will be released on the 21st of May. 655 00:49:35.579 --> 00:49:48.539 Fans of the Doctor Who cookbook will also enjoy the vegetarian cookbook we've just released at Flight 3 Entirety Press, including recipes for smashed vervoid on toast, Varga primavera, and lush aggressive Musaka. 656 00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:51.960 Now, what's my line? 657 00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:56.579 I'm surprised that you didn't say anything really rude about slumming it with Timothy Dolson. 658 00:49:57.179 --> 00:50:01.019 I've already been a sexual predator enough about Timothy Dalton, I think. 659 00:50:02.460 --> 00:50:04.559 Just formulating a line. 660 00:50:07.619 --> 00:50:09.960 This is Colin's last story. 661 00:50:10.019 --> 00:50:11.519 This is the last one he filmed. 662 00:50:11.579 --> 00:50:11.880 Yeah. 663 00:50:11.940 --> 00:50:13.980 Finally, they get it right for him. 664 00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:16.739 So unfair. 665 00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:22.440 Like, you know, he, he, he's given so much and he's tried, The character's changed. 666 00:50:22.500 --> 00:50:26.280 He's really, you know, he doesn't deserve the treatment that he got. 667 00:50:26.340 --> 00:50:34.440 Yeah, he's responded to all the criticism. gone above and beyond because it's not his job to fix, you know, and yeah, he. 668 00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:36.900 They just don't want the show and they just don't want the show. 669 00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:40.199 Yeah, there are times when I can hardly blame them. 670 00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:45.300 Yeah, well, yeah, but they make decisions to ensure that they just don't want the show. 671 00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:45.780 Yeah, yeah.