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Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the only Doctor Who commentary podcast who's fondling the piranium as we speak.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Nathan I'm Below's BFF.

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I'm an elongated saxophony ructation for this episode.

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Hello, everyone.

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We are finally presenting for you our commentary for Death to the Daleks.

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So we have our Death to the Daleks DVD in there, and a fun little thing that's been edited out of every time I've announced that we're doing a Death to the Daleks commentary.

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Of course, the boys will be able to tell you, I keep calling it Day of the Daleks, which I then edit out, and I wasn't going to mention that here, but before you all came round, I pulled out the day of the Daleks DVD 1st and almost put it in.

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No, but all...

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I then debated, are we watching the original version or the version with new special effects and almost put it in before I thought, no, we're doing death to the Daleks.

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And then when I went to get my Doctor Who, the complete history book, I'm like, do I have Day of the Daleks yet?

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Oh, yes, I do.

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Oh, wait, no, we're doing death to the Daleks.

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So I got it wrong.

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I don't know whether it was just you or whether we were doing a mind meld because I thought it was Day of the Darks this morning too.

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I really did.

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And I was quite thrilled about getting up, you know, in you in a mini skirt on one of those big balloon tied 3 wheelers.

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Maybe that's it.

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Maybe I just wanted to be in my Joe outfit again, which I'm wearing right now.

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Okay, we do we do have our DVD ready to go.

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It's wearing that really stupid bathing outfit, massive beach ball.

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It's not hiding your shame at all.

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Go on.

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And as you have come to expect from us.

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I'm about to give you a code word, and this is the word with which use to press play.

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And that word is root.

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So the next time I say that word.

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Anthony.

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So the next time I say that word, I would like you to press, play on your play all button.

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Are you ready, dear listener?

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Root.

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And we are...

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It is an instruction.

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Hooray, my favourite title suit.

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Mine too. adore this.

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The knives coming out and...

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The knives.

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What is in your head?

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They make me think of knives.

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And the sort of wind across pert we space.

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He wasn't getting any younger.

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No, that's right.

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And this is famously, apparently, the story where he said to Barry, nah, I'm out.

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Oh, we have to spot the moment where he makes that decision.

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Really, it's actually got, as we're about to discover.

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How about that for atmosphere?

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This, of course, is was not on the version broadcast in the ABC in the 1980s.

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No, I didn't see...

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I didn't see this until I borrowed it on video from the library. who it is.

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It's Terry Walsh.

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Hooray.

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And he's not...

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It wasn't in our 70s version either, was it, gentlemen?

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I don't remember where it is.

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I don't think we got to see beating up Terry Walsh again.

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No.

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So yeah, it got this.

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And I remember the 1st time I saw that scene was when I borrowed it from the library and even then it was the omnibus edition.

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So it had bright magenta titles.

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I mean, Death to the Daleks in bright magenta.

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That outfit is horrendous.

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Which one?

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Sarah's.

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Why?

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Chrissy from Man About that.

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I was actually just going to say.

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Is this her 1st time in the Tardis that we see her in?

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Yeah.

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This is also, that is a man about a house, I should say, delicious. is what I'm watching each morning before I go to work right now. and yeah, he is.

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It's a favourite.

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Oh, you know, that was the Dolly Bird book look.

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She's adorable.

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Look at her, dear little thing.

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But it is a bit mad about the house Felicity Kendall, kind of.

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It's 70s.

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Yeah, hello.

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974.

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That is top 0 the look.

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It's 1980.

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The whole concept.

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And it's lovely to see that.

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Yes, it is a... on the console.

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This is actually the only time this season we see the interior of the TARDIS.

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I thought so.

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And after this story, we wouldn't see the interior of the TARDIS again until Planet of Evil.

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Wow.

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That's not a bad thing.

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No, I like it.

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I agree.

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I mean, you know, next year we're without the TARDIS for 2.5 stories.

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But this one, if we can get back to this story, is beautiful because I remember this as a little, little boy and the atmospheric quality of it and the impending doomness, really, really is a strong memory for children.

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It's a powerful thing to be watching.

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I love this 1st episode Well, I've said before on the podcast.

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This is the 1st episode of I ever saw in 1978.

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This is what bound you.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's a fateful moment.

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I love this stuff in the TARDIS. like just the lighting and everything.

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And again, if we can reference Edwardian fiction within Doctor Who trope, as we do.

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This is all already H Rider, how guide is there descending into the, to the darknesses of the, of the great, and we'll find out more of that as we go on.

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This is very planet of the Daleks.

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One of the things, of course, is that it's better.

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Well, it is better because Terry has now written this script about 5 times and he's really polished it into a sort of, you know, a piece of art.

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Yes, a piece of jabberlite sculpture.

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And also, this is the 1st script that Robert Holmes had a big hand in editing.

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Terrence Dix was still around, but Robert Holmes was trailing him at this time and Robert Holmes actually came up with the title.

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The original title was the Excellons.

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Oh, derived from the word elixir, because in the original script, the city was reliant on an elixir that the excellons made and Robert Holmes.

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Robert Holmes said, yeah, Terry, I see what you did there.

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It's not as clever as you think it is.

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Let's call the story depth to the Daleks and asked years later.

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Why is it called Diff to Darks?

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Because I hate them.

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I would have liked it to be called the excellence.

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It would have been a surprise that the Daleks were going to turn up.

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It is nice when it's a surprise.

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Yes.

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And then, of course, you know, 40 years later, we would have had Tom Baker and Louise Jameson in the big finish audio Death to the Daleks because the big finish, big finish have done a prequel to this.

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Cool, big.

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But she's quite gripping.

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Well, it's got it's got Louise. got Louise Jameson in it.

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You know, you put Tom Baker and Louise Jameson together.

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They could read the phone book.

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But we're not putting Tom Baker and Louise Jameson together because we've got John Pertwin and Elizabeth Sladen being charming with an oil lamp.

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Hooray for old-fashioned oil, she said, seductively.

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Wasn't there an oil crisis going on at the time?

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Yes, there was.

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Will spotted?

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Thank you.

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I was going to say this is a lovely little hand in glovingness that Doctor Who was doing at the time.

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Yes, they're referencing the enormous power outages that are going on through the UK.

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Oh, I do love it when Terry Nation is the...

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Let's get the manual crank to open up the TARDIS door.

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It's beautiful, isn't it?

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It's like starting...

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Chitty bang, bang.

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You get that there's a very early piece of steam punkiness right there.

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He does think it's a mechanical device, though.

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It does.

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Isn't that lovely though, poetry?

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You know, you can block the vents by just spewing a bit of fungus on them.

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No one can breathe inside.

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And now we're in studio.

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We are terrible studios.

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It's not a terrible one.

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I think there's some really good direction actually in this in this particular episode.

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I had a feeling this was shown.

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At this, at the time of year, it was shown in when we were young, it was winter, so we got to watch this in the dark.

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UK list, the UK listener would say, well, doctor is always on in the dark, but for, you know, for our summers, it's probably like yours.

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It was.

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Yeah, seeing this in a dark, you know, dark house and cold rooms.

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Well, I think it was, I think it was June or July when I 1st watched.

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Yeah, that's right.

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No, I joke Dan from Sarah.

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What did she say?

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I'm close to becoming petrified myself about the petrified rock.

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That's why I love that in Doctor Who.

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Did he look down at look down at her little bib when she said it?

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Because he would.

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He's being well behaved.

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After what happened with April Walker, he's certainly on his...

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He is actually on good behaviour for a good reason, isn't he?

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Yes, that's right.

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Ingabol confiscated them.

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Yes, she put them on her and she shrunk them down and put them on her tiny chessboard and emitted foul blasts.

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So Sarah's still got her page boy haircut.

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She does have a lovely 70s pretty-esque haircut, actually.

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It is, isn't it?

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Lovely little.

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Turned in bob.

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She's so young.

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She's so impossibly young.

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She was a grown-up when I 1st watched this.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I know isn't it ridiculous?

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And I love her muted hysteria.

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I like the levels Todson once that she can deliver 2 or 3 emotions at once and that's probably what made her stand out to the casual viewer.

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Really she really grabs your attention. as she's grabbing pertly's right now, even though she's shaky hand on that flame.

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But Joe creates that sort of single female companion role and does it so well is so charming and so essential to the program.

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I never felt Joe was actually in peril, but I really believe Sarah's right up against you.

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Well, I think she ups it by just being a bit better.

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Yeah.

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Oh, bless.

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Look at him.

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He does the best B Arthur you could possibly imagine that lovely erect poise.

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It's probably the last time he really properly acts and then he has 12 episodes left to sort of walk through contract.

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That's a bit slack, but, you know, he's made a decision to leave, so you know what I mean.

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No, no, I think you're absolutely right.

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This isn't as gorgeous.

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I just love the way it transitions.

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And I, as a kid, I just accepted the fact that around the TARDIS, it was like studio and then you go out to, ooh, here they come.

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Watch out.

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Curry Blyton score.

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But back to Sarah.

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I love the fact that that hideous...

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Because Eileen Wayne, not a lot of people know that.

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Can be then used in this little cute brown number, which I really like with the little I actually really like this number on her.

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Even the shot of looking over the roof of the Tartars felt fresh at the time.

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We didn't usually get high.

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I was freaked out as a kid by all this in the darkness, you know, and what's really there.

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I think it is scary, I think.

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Well, we haven't seen a lot of Doctor Who shot is at this pitch, at this, you get day for night shooting, but we haven't actually seen the screen this dark for a very long time.

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Did you avoid it?

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Yeah.

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Brandon, did you find this scary as a kid?

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I really did.

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And it wasn't helped by the fact that my copy of this as a kid is missing the last 10 minutes.

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So you never know what happened.

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I didn't until my local library got a copy of the late 80s omnibus edition on video.

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And his mother spilt a nail polish remover over his boogie board.

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I had a boogie board.

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I love this planet shot, like all of this...

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Isn't that beautiful?

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And that's the one we remember.

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How did they do all that stuff with the mist and stuff?

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It's wonderful.

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I just think they scatter dry ice around.

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Yeah, I believe it is dry ice rather than rather than a smoke machine.

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And Liz Slaton's genuine complaints.

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It was miserable. golden she horrible.

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So it's not acting.

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She said, oh, isn't that great too?

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Blooding Doctor Who.

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It's such a terry trope though, isn't it?

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Yeah, but it's her that's making this work.

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Each time I watch this.

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That's why I loved her so much.

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No, that is fantastic.

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This is gorgeous.

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So, listen, she's just running through the rocks now with all the farty mist behind her.

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Yeah, in silhouette, in silhouette.

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Yeah, just beautifully lit.

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It does feel a bit like survivors, doesn't it?

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In isolation.

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Well, out on location.

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Yeah, yeah.

238
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This in here is truly...

239
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This is the 1st time that the interior of the TARDIS, actually, since Susan and her and the pinking shears of Dune, that the inside of the TARDIS is not the point of safety.

240
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

241
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It's always been our refuge in a story.

242
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And again, that was Terry Nation.

243
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What kind of the Daleks, wasn't it, a bit?

244
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John was on the right of there. just kind of block it out.

245
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No, there was no there was no actual physical threat.

246
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Oh, in the actual...

247
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It was just John couldn't, you know, John couldn't breathe or something.

248
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He's doing the pertwee death pose, but there was no, I'm sure monster in there.

249
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Only one knee standing.

250
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Yes, right.

251
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What a great... is just horrendous.

252
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Isn't it though?

253
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I was freaked out as a kid.

254
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

255
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And the fact that we have no music here.

256
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I think it's terrible that Derby Watling's not given credit for this episode.

257
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All these came in.

258
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It's actually still in the TARDIS to this day.

259
00:12:40.799 --> 00:12:43.440
Oh my god, that's what's in the vault.

260
00:12:43.740 --> 00:12:47.639
I think he was Sylvester's phonetics coach, wasn't it?

261
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More of that later.

262
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Look, she's just so painful.

263
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Oh, it's great.

264
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Oh, doesn't this actually nicely dovetail, Eldred Must leaves...

265
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I just think, you know, she's locked herself in.

266
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Oh, yeah, and his point of view stuff. really disturbing.

267
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Like, it's actually pretty violent.

268
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I'm surprised that got.

269
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You're right, Richard.

270
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I'm surprised it got through here in Australia.

271
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Like, you know, and then running away again.

272
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Oh my goodness.

273
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Nowhere is safe Doctor Who hasn't actually gone for straight horror for a long time, I think, at this point.

274
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It was always a big cuddly, wasn't it?

275
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We like taking the phlegmatics out of Mr. Nation.

276
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Like, we like to empty his spleen, but really, he provides a corker, doesn't he, each time?

277
00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:43.500
But the fact that Robert Holmes has had input into this, this is pops the 1st bit of flavour of his what is to come, really.

278
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Yeah, I mean, that's the thing.

279
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If you look at the difference...

280
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Take that with my Felix Lighter.

281
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Oh, here we go.

282
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Come on, do the hand pose.

283
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Do the sort of so fabulous.

284
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He's going to try and hypnotise the bastard.

285
00:13:57.899 --> 00:14:04.379
But Pearl, we actually, I love it when the 3rd doctor looked, I shouldn't say, per we all, though, same person, really.

286
00:14:04.440 --> 00:14:07.440
In fact, they're not distinguishable at all.

287
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But I love it when he really does look like he's in peril because you do believe it.

288
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I think I miss this doctor.

289
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Oh yes.

290
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Oh, yes.

291
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Well, that's the thing.

292
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We all got to the end of the pert where you're at with more of an appreciation than when we started and all of us had differing levels of appreciation going in, Nathan.

293
00:14:26.820 --> 00:14:29.460
No, no, I ended up quite liking him.

294
00:14:29.519 --> 00:14:34.139
I thought he was obnoxious in season seven, but when Joe comes along and humanises him.

295
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He's great.

296
00:14:34.740 --> 00:14:37.980
He's doing a better job in this season than I remember him doing.

297
00:14:38.039 --> 00:14:42.120
I mean, I'd always said he'd retired from acting in his final season.

298
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Yeah, I had the same opinion, but then I saw 3 distinct sort of the 1st 18 months and the next 18 months and the final 2 years and now the character, how the character changed from that really harsh, humanised, and then the Arthur the last 2 years.

299
00:14:56.940 --> 00:14:59.220
Oh, anyway, what's Sarah looking at?

300
00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:02.519
Ah, I love this.

301
00:15:02.580 --> 00:15:04.139
Everybody loves white Lego.

302
00:15:04.200 --> 00:15:04.740
How could you not?

303
00:15:04.799 --> 00:15:06.360
And the sound.

304
00:15:06.419 --> 00:15:07.799
The sound is so good.

305
00:15:07.860 --> 00:15:09.240
The curry...

306
00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:10.860
Now, who was doing foley sounds?

307
00:15:10.919 --> 00:15:12.840
Because Kari Blyton, who did the beautiful school?

308
00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:18.299
I believe it's Dick Mills is doing... because it's a gorgeous, sonorous moan.

309
00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:19.980
But the CSO is not too bad here either.

310
00:15:20.100 --> 00:15:26.039
Well, what helps there is the fact that, you know, how's that for an establishing shop?

311
00:15:26.100 --> 00:15:28.799
This is like John Carter of Mars stuff.

312
00:15:28.860 --> 00:15:36.360
This is like the Boris paintings on the covers, the SF books of the 70s, which is probably where a lot of this Oh, isn't that lovely bit of camo too.

313
00:15:36.419 --> 00:15:38.340
A bit of the rock just crawled away.

314
00:15:38.399 --> 00:15:43.320
Look, I really think Eileen Way should have been in more Star Wars-esque, isn't it?

315
00:15:43.379 --> 00:15:43.919
Isn't it, though?

316
00:15:43.980 --> 00:15:46.320
I'm thinking the planet Uxarius, actually.

317
00:15:46.379 --> 00:15:54.779
It is a different location, but yes, it's not far, though, from the locations for Destiny of the Daleks and the case of Andrazani.

318
00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:57.419
They were part of the same quarry network, if you like.

319
00:15:57.480 --> 00:16:03.899
But yeah, the CSO shots of the city, I think, are so good because the model is shot on video.

320
00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:14.759
So you have a matching look, and quite often during the pert we era, you know, the CSO shots, the models will be shot on film, the live action elements on video, and so there's a very jarring thing.

321
00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:16.679
And it wobbles. and it wobbles.

322
00:16:17.519 --> 00:16:17.820
Yeah.

323
00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:20.460
Wibble, just like that.

324
00:16:20.519 --> 00:16:23.460
That's a very terry nation thing, isn't it?

325
00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:24.120
The trip wire.

326
00:16:24.539 --> 00:16:31.080
Although it also features excitingly in time and the Rani as we're about to discover soon, aren't we, all have we already discovered?

327
00:16:31.200 --> 00:16:32.340
No, we're about to discuss.

328
00:16:32.340 --> 00:16:33.480
That's discovered.

329
00:16:34.139 --> 00:16:37.440
Ah, Jeez.

330
00:16:37.500 --> 00:16:38.519
He really is.

331
00:16:38.580 --> 00:16:41.519
It's like, I feel as if I'm in the middle of a Dave Allen sketch, though.

332
00:16:41.580 --> 00:16:43.080
Somehow...

333
00:16:43.080 --> 00:16:45.539
That's fantastic.

334
00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:48.779
That's exactly what the boulders and Breath of the Wild look like as well.

335
00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:51.000
It's also puree rider, haguard, yeah.

336
00:16:51.059 --> 00:16:52.259
It's not a bad boulder.

337
00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:53.460
That's bolder.

338
00:16:53.460 --> 00:16:55.379
And now I'd do that bolder.

339
00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:56.220
Hello?

340
00:16:56.399 --> 00:16:59.519
Oh, he looks like he's had a big night.

341
00:16:59.580 --> 00:17:01.320
Oh, it's not even John.

342
00:17:01.440 --> 00:17:04.799
Oh, that was so obvious. stab Terry Walsh in the face.

343
00:17:05.339 --> 00:17:08.759
And now the man who can't stop looking at the camera.

344
00:17:09.180 --> 00:17:11.579
Oh, no, it's the other ones.

345
00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:12.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

346
00:17:12.180 --> 00:17:12.900
Well, who did he play?

347
00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:15.000
I love John Adams. he in General Carrington?

348
00:17:15.059 --> 00:17:15.539
Of course.

349
00:17:15.539 --> 00:17:18.960
And and Rangquin of the Swampies.

350
00:17:19.019 --> 00:17:20.460
Oh, my goodness.

351
00:17:20.460 --> 00:17:22.859
He looks lovely, but a bit...

352
00:17:22.920 --> 00:17:23.519
What about the other guy?

353
00:17:23.579 --> 00:17:24.420
Was he in dog 2 before?

354
00:17:24.539 --> 00:17:25.440
No, I don't think so.

355
00:17:25.500 --> 00:17:27.720
But John Abeniri has also...

356
00:17:27.779 --> 00:17:28.200
Yeah, yeah.

357
00:17:28.259 --> 00:17:31.380
And this guy's on the commentary, Todd, so you should listen to him.

358
00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:33.119
He might explain why he looks at the camera.

359
00:17:33.180 --> 00:17:40.559
But yeah, John Abeneri is also famous to genre fans as Arnold Rimmer's dad in the Red Dwarf episode back to reality.

360
00:17:40.619 --> 00:17:43.019
Yes, bit of bad fringing there.

361
00:17:43.079 --> 00:17:44.039
Yeah.

362
00:17:44.099 --> 00:17:45.539
It's all right, Peter.

363
00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:49.259
Look at the direction with the rock out of focus in the fork.

364
00:17:49.259 --> 00:17:49.980
I love her.

365
00:17:50.039 --> 00:17:51.779
I actually quite like their outfits too.

366
00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:55.799
Michael Lee Bryant does depth of field very well.

367
00:17:55.859 --> 00:17:59.460
He'll be back for amongst other stories, Robots of Death.

368
00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:01.559
Here she is, Jill Tarrant.

369
00:18:01.619 --> 00:18:04.859
Wouldn't be a Doctor Who story...

370
00:18:04.980 --> 00:18:05.880
How can you say she's dreadful?

371
00:18:05.940 --> 00:18:06.779
She's lovely.

372
00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:08.880
Is that a woman?

373
00:18:08.880 --> 00:18:09.839
I want to, sorry.

374
00:18:09.900 --> 00:18:11.160
She's a space woman.

375
00:18:11.220 --> 00:18:12.660
Yes, space woman.

376
00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:15.660
I want to place her. the blue eye shadow?

377
00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:18.420
Oh, these drones and knives are there of some sort of problem.

378
00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:19.799
We're dirty fighters we fighters.

379
00:18:19.859 --> 00:18:21.660
We fight we, he said.

380
00:18:21.900 --> 00:18:25.740
They're all a bit surly and countenanced, aren't they?

381
00:18:25.799 --> 00:18:26.579
She's lovely.

382
00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:30.660
She put up that DIY home stores shared all by herself.

383
00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:32.700
Fabulous tertiary children.

384
00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:34.440
You know they left her to do the washing up as well.

385
00:18:34.500 --> 00:18:38.400
Yeah, I do like that they specify she's a civilian and that's why her uniforms are different colour.

386
00:18:38.460 --> 00:18:41.579
And lower cut. has cups built in.

387
00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:44.579
I just like that they look like they all really like a drink.

388
00:18:44.640 --> 00:18:47.220
These are heavy going space persons.

389
00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:48.119
MSC?

390
00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:49.799
Galloway certainly does, doesn't he?

391
00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:50.519
Doesn't he, though?

392
00:18:50.579 --> 00:18:52.140
Ooh, hello.

393
00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:53.460
Giant nose.

394
00:18:53.460 --> 00:18:57.000
And they're like M. They're all wearing Federation emblems.

395
00:18:57.059 --> 00:18:59.160
Golly gosh, they are too.

396
00:18:59.220 --> 00:19:07.440
So I think that must have been specified in Terry's script that it was a sideways chevron on a circle, and of course, 4 years later he's just gone.

397
00:19:07.500 --> 00:19:10.559
Oh, a sideways chevron in a circle. a wonderful idea.

398
00:19:10.619 --> 00:19:12.660
I haven't used that before.

399
00:19:13.980 --> 00:19:20.099
He, uh, it has been remarked before that uh, this is an expedition of middle class white people.

400
00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:23.220
Galloway who...

401
00:19:23.220 --> 00:19:26.279
He has a slightly working class accent, so he's the bad guy.

402
00:19:26.339 --> 00:19:32.400
It's like, it's the racial politics of survivors, essentially transplanted to deep space.

403
00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:34.559
Oh, sacrificed.

404
00:19:34.619 --> 00:19:37.740
Oh, and there's a plague, a space plague, of course.

405
00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:40.619
So we need to get some space medicine.

406
00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:42.480
So it is another one of his obsession.

407
00:19:42.539 --> 00:19:44.940
Is there radiation on this planet, though?

408
00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:45.960
No, there isn't.

409
00:19:46.019 --> 00:19:54.900
Do you think when the TARDIS scans the environment, it also chooses the doctor's outfit because his piping matches beautifully all the edging in their little space tent?

410
00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:56.700
This is my favourite John outfit.

411
00:19:56.759 --> 00:20:00.059
If I ever, if I ever cosplay as John, this is the outfit I want to represent.

412
00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:01.740
It's a nice...

413
00:20:01.740 --> 00:20:02.759
Yeah, yeah.

414
00:20:02.819 --> 00:20:03.420
Yeah.

415
00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:06.180
And we don't get crossfades often in...

416
00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:08.099
Oh, I love that. gorgeous.

417
00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:16.619
And, you know, for once, making this sort of tiny part of the whole visually it matches and you believe she's actually at the base of this massive building.

418
00:20:16.680 --> 00:20:17.039
Do you?

419
00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:19.680
I do.

420
00:20:19.740 --> 00:20:23.160
I believe I'm believing as a nine-year-old boy.

421
00:20:23.579 --> 00:20:25.440
I love that outfit.

422
00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:32.759
I like this, you still got stuff on a bum. glows there. wailing.

423
00:20:32.819 --> 00:20:36.059
It's front axial projection, which is the way that they make the...

424
00:20:36.059 --> 00:20:36.839
The stuff on her bum.

425
00:20:36.900 --> 00:20:39.599
Whether they make the nemesis statue.

426
00:20:39.720 --> 00:20:40.500
It is, yes.

427
00:20:40.559 --> 00:20:43.079
It's a real practical effect.

428
00:20:43.140 --> 00:20:48.299
But it has to have a Liz Sladen as strontium 90 to set it off.

429
00:20:48.299 --> 00:20:48.779
She sells it.

430
00:20:48.839 --> 00:20:50.519
I mean, that's the thing.

431
00:20:50.579 --> 00:20:51.119
She really does.

432
00:20:51.180 --> 00:20:53.220
That's something people actually don't know.

433
00:20:53.279 --> 00:20:55.500
It's not Fiona Walker in the nemesis statue.

434
00:20:55.559 --> 00:20:56.640
It's Liz Slaton.

435
00:20:57.059 --> 00:20:58.440
Really?

436
00:20:59.220 --> 00:21:01.740
I thought it was Deborah Whatley.

437
00:21:01.799 --> 00:21:05.460
It's usually Debbie Waddling or and or Eileen.

438
00:21:05.460 --> 00:21:06.960
I can't I can't edit out.

439
00:21:07.019 --> 00:21:08.519
That Deborah Watling joke, top.

440
00:21:08.579 --> 00:21:12.900
That one has to stay in as opposed to the ones you make all the rest. never do that.

441
00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:14.279
I never, ever do that.

442
00:21:14.339 --> 00:21:14.940
I love you.

443
00:21:17.099 --> 00:21:20.339
It reminds me of when the crinoid.

444
00:21:20.400 --> 00:21:21.720
Remember the crinoid at the end.

445
00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:23.039
Love the wibbly.

446
00:21:24.059 --> 00:21:29.160
Yeah, wibbly wobbly crinoid. a puppy at home, dear listener, that does exactly the same thing.

447
00:21:29.220 --> 00:21:31.200
That food looks so unhappy.

448
00:21:31.259 --> 00:21:33.720
I think we should we're all going to go to IKEA for lunch after this.

449
00:21:33.779 --> 00:21:34.799
Wait, wait.

450
00:21:34.859 --> 00:21:35.640
What was it?

451
00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:36.900
perenium.

452
00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:37.859
Yes.

453
00:21:37.859 --> 00:21:42.960
It's a it's a vital part of a balanced diet is uranium.

454
00:21:43.019 --> 00:21:44.039
It's actually priceless.

455
00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:47.700
Jill's just fucking the food in, isn't she?

456
00:21:47.759 --> 00:21:48.720
She's not even bothering.

457
00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:50.460
A bit of Deb, some hot water.

458
00:21:50.519 --> 00:21:53.880
Yeah, well, I mean, the problem is sometimes your pranium is tainted.

459
00:21:54.839 --> 00:21:56.880
Or there's sand in it.

460
00:21:56.940 --> 00:21:58.079
There's some...

461
00:21:58.079 --> 00:22:00.359
Armageddon.

462
00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:06.779
Farmageddon, who, um, has a great YouTube channel.

463
00:22:06.839 --> 00:22:09.480
He does the 5 doctors recut.

464
00:22:09.539 --> 00:22:14.579
He also did the new special effects on the Day of the Dalek special edition.

465
00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:19.380
He has a very early piece of his work, which is this scene just dubbed over with farting noises.

466
00:22:20.220 --> 00:22:31.859
But he, I believe he's also done that cliffhanger from the Seeds of Doom, but when the crinoid is rushing towards the camera, it just goes, boy, yo, yo, yo, yo.

467
00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:36.000
Because it is death by mattress, isn't it?

468
00:22:36.059 --> 00:22:37.859
It looks like some sort of ravioli or something.

469
00:22:37.920 --> 00:22:39.119
I can't really tell.

470
00:22:40.019 --> 00:22:42.480
I just thought it was mash, yeah.

471
00:22:42.539 --> 00:22:45.839
They haven't even dyed at green and dotted on Adam Blackwood.

472
00:22:45.900 --> 00:22:47.880
I do like John's outfit in this story.

473
00:22:47.940 --> 00:22:49.740
It's my absolute favourite.

474
00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:52.380
And I've broken my action figure of it.

475
00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:54.180
No, it's not.

476
00:22:54.240 --> 00:22:56.400
It's actually one of John's own lovely pieces.

477
00:22:56.460 --> 00:22:58.259
It's a magnifying glasses.

478
00:22:58.319 --> 00:23:02.640
It's an antique monocle on a with a clasp.

479
00:23:02.700 --> 00:23:03.839
Just like being afterward.

480
00:23:03.900 --> 00:23:06.599
Everyone's looking at a completely different part of the sky.

481
00:23:06.660 --> 00:23:08.640
CSO is not great.

482
00:23:08.700 --> 00:23:10.920
But that was again part of the buzz.

483
00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:12.180
But then there you go.

484
00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:13.380
That's good. loved it.

485
00:23:13.440 --> 00:23:17.940
Oh, like, literally, John Abeneri's looking over there.

486
00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:19.380
Jill's looking over there.

487
00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:23.579
Tom falls off the...

488
00:23:23.579 --> 00:23:25.680
Don't trust any of those rocks.

489
00:23:26.279 --> 00:23:28.980
Has he been in the show before, this dude?

490
00:23:29.099 --> 00:23:29.819
groaning?

491
00:23:30.539 --> 00:23:32.700
Yes, it's Matt groaning.

492
00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:35.640
No idea.

493
00:23:35.700 --> 00:23:36.539
Let's have a look.

494
00:23:36.599 --> 00:23:41.940
Commander Stewart is played by Neil C. knee hinto.

495
00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:45.359
Oh, I love all these excellent and they're googly eyes.

496
00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:46.500
Yeah, they look good.

497
00:23:46.500 --> 00:23:47.400
And they're chanting.

498
00:23:47.460 --> 00:23:50.099
They're fantastic. really, really scary.

499
00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:53.759
Okay, but I now realise it's not okre, it's something else, the reason that he's read.

500
00:23:53.819 --> 00:23:58.140
And dear listeners, if you're careful, you'll see all 4 of us behind those bars.

501
00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:04.079
And I like the fact that I can speak English.

502
00:24:04.200 --> 00:24:06.059
But, of course, the TARDIS is translating.

503
00:24:06.119 --> 00:24:12.299
No, everyone in the galaxy speaks English except for people who are non-English speakers on earth.

504
00:24:12.359 --> 00:24:14.160
Dona Rana.

505
00:24:14.220 --> 00:24:14.880
We discovered that.

506
00:24:14.940 --> 00:24:17.880
Actually, Todd, your eagle eye is correct.

507
00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:22.259
Neil Sealer has appeared previously in Doctor Who.

508
00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:30.660
He was in the sea devils as the beardy radio operator, who is who is back at the base with Captain Hart and Corporal Blythe.

509
00:24:32.339 --> 00:24:34.619
I found this really scary.

510
00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:37.200
Oh, yeah, this is a sacrifice.

511
00:24:37.259 --> 00:24:39.240
And again, that's so standard.

512
00:24:39.299 --> 00:24:45.539
I think at some point I said that we had to have a moratorium on people being sacrificed to Doctor Who.

513
00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:46.619
It was really tiresome.

514
00:24:46.680 --> 00:24:58.019
But he just does it so confidently, he puts all of these sort of B movie science fiction tropes together and just creates really fun action, I think.

515
00:24:58.079 --> 00:25:01.680
The Daleks invented thermo mixes, you about to say.

516
00:25:01.740 --> 00:25:04.619
I think the other thing that really helps...

517
00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:08.279
The excellons both look and sound incredibly alien.

518
00:25:08.339 --> 00:25:12.420
You can suspend belief for a moment that there's not just a little Welsh bloke under there.

519
00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:16.859
And here they come.

520
00:25:16.920 --> 00:25:17.700
This is exciting.

521
00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:19.140
It's the end of episode one.

522
00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:21.000
What do we think is coming out?

523
00:25:21.059 --> 00:25:22.440
Three Blind Mice, according to the school.

524
00:25:24.180 --> 00:25:26.579
Oh, aren't they pretty too?

525
00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:37.259
Now, the thing is, it's quite obvious that John took a shining to Joy Stewart in this moment because immediately he sort of, he clutches her like, like Joe or Sarah.

526
00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:38.759
He clutches her what?

527
00:25:38.819 --> 00:25:39.420
Yes.

528
00:25:39.480 --> 00:25:40.380
Oh I see.

529
00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:42.180
He clutches her.

530
00:25:42.180 --> 00:25:43.500
He clutches her peranium.

531
00:25:43.559 --> 00:25:47.880
See, I just think that would have been so much better if it was called the excellence and we didn't know it was coming.

532
00:25:47.940 --> 00:25:48.599
Yeah, yeah.

533
00:25:48.660 --> 00:25:58.259
I actually, I actually like the the frisson of anticipation for Daleks appearing at the end of episode one of the Terry Nation Dalek story.

534
00:25:58.319 --> 00:26:01.559
They've all been called something of the Daleks except for the chase.

535
00:26:01.740 --> 00:26:03.059
Yes.

536
00:26:03.059 --> 00:26:04.799
Yeah, so they've all had Daleks at the time.

537
00:26:04.859 --> 00:26:05.880
Lovely Michael Wisher.

538
00:26:05.940 --> 00:26:08.880
And that episode one reveal is just sort of wonderful.

539
00:26:08.940 --> 00:26:14.099
I think it's slightly spoiled by the fact that we hold on the garlic gum not working for quite a while.

540
00:26:14.579 --> 00:26:15.240
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

541
00:26:15.299 --> 00:26:16.380
I don't know.

542
00:26:16.440 --> 00:26:19.380
It's the London saxophone.

543
00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:20.940
They're so wonderful.

544
00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:22.920
Led by Kerry Blyton.

545
00:26:22.980 --> 00:26:29.400
Mind the fact that the gun is firing because I, as a kid, just thought that was going to fire and we were just getting that point of view shot.

546
00:26:29.460 --> 00:26:31.140
So I actually think it's quite, you know.

547
00:26:31.140 --> 00:26:34.440
Brian, is that the way you spell his name, Michael?

548
00:26:34.500 --> 00:26:35.519
Yeah, yeah, I thought it had a wine.

549
00:26:35.579 --> 00:26:37.559
No, it's not like Nicola Bryant or Peter Bryant?

550
00:26:37.619 --> 00:26:38.099
Oh, okay.

551
00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:38.400
Yeah.

552
00:26:38.460 --> 00:26:40.019
P with episode two?

553
00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:42.059
Can I just say I love these opening titles?

554
00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:43.500
Yeah, still.

555
00:26:43.500 --> 00:26:44.880
I didn't know that.

556
00:26:44.940 --> 00:26:46.859
You might hear that a few more times.

557
00:26:46.920 --> 00:26:48.359
No they are my favourite.

558
00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:50.400
It's got a John Pertie shaped tunnel.

559
00:26:50.519 --> 00:26:51.359
Yeah, awesome.

560
00:26:52.019 --> 00:26:53.759
Steady on.

561
00:26:54.839 --> 00:26:59.099
And the Futura Black thing or Futura Extra Bowl.

562
00:26:59.099 --> 00:27:00.180
It's very style.

563
00:27:00.299 --> 00:27:01.259
Yes, it is.

564
00:27:01.380 --> 00:27:09.059
I remember being a bit disappointed when it went away at the start of Mask of Mandraga, which just goes to typographical nerd.

565
00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:10.740
I was already at the age of sort of 12.

566
00:27:14.819 --> 00:27:17.039
I love the doctor in this bit.

567
00:27:17.099 --> 00:27:18.960
He's like, oh, I think we're not dead.

568
00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:22.200
Is this the 1st time?

569
00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:23.940
Oh, they do look a bit rough, don't they?

570
00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:25.619
Do you love the one in the background?

571
00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:26.819
There it is.

572
00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:34.559
Just standing there. there's no one in it This is actually my this is my favourite classic series Dalek livery.

573
00:27:34.619 --> 00:27:37.319
Is it the only time they look like this?

574
00:27:37.380 --> 00:27:39.779
It's the only time they're silver and black.

575
00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:42.299
They'll become various shades of gray after now.

576
00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:43.740
But that does look great.

577
00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:44.579
Was this Colin?

578
00:27:44.579 --> 00:27:48.420
I think they look much better than the previous 2 times we've seen it.

579
00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:48.960
Yeah, yeah.

580
00:27:49.019 --> 00:27:52.019
But they still are sort of a bit beaten up, aren't they?

581
00:27:52.079 --> 00:28:00.660
Well, apparently, um, new props were made for Planet of the Daleks, but Barry was really disappointed with them.

582
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:12.599
So the 3 hero props from this date from the 60s and the other one who you see in the background there with no one in it, and will later have an operator in it, is one from Planet of the Daleks.

583
00:28:12.660 --> 00:28:13.200
It was made for that.

584
00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:14.519
What wrong with them?

585
00:28:14.579 --> 00:28:17.940
Um, I'm not exactly sure.

586
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:21.240
Just, you know, visually, I can't exactly tell.

587
00:28:21.299 --> 00:28:22.200
They were just slightly different.

588
00:28:22.259 --> 00:28:26.220
I think the drinks dispenser inside wasn't working. and the operators were complaining.

589
00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:29.160
I think also the angles were slightly different.

590
00:28:29.220 --> 00:28:32.940
So it's a matter of, you know, if you see them in the background, you're okay.

591
00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:34.920
The Darling dome nearly sort of comes off.

592
00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:37.019
They get very heated in there, don't they?

593
00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:44.220
Yeah, I think they wouldn't make they wouldn't make any new props again until Resurrection of the Daleks, I believe.

594
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:44.640
Right.

595
00:28:44.700 --> 00:28:49.319
Yeah, they're really, really looking seriously beat up by destiny of the Daleks, aren't they?

596
00:28:49.380 --> 00:28:50.099
Yeah, yeah.

597
00:28:50.339 --> 00:28:51.900
You know what?

598
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:59.640
They could have done a spinoff series with this space plague and the Marine Space Corps, they call themselves and this dynamic character.

599
00:28:59.700 --> 00:29:02.579
A lot of space white people catching a disease.

600
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:04.019
Just 12 episodes.

601
00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:09.359
That's all we need And then they're all horribly murdered at the end. especially Jill Tarrant.

602
00:29:09.420 --> 00:29:10.259
Rogue one.

603
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:12.119
No, Jill's got to live.

604
00:29:12.180 --> 00:29:13.859
She's going to be the glamorous, you know.

605
00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:17.339
Someone needs to add the boiling water to the instant mash.

606
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:19.319
A thorny weaver character.

607
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:22.799
She's a proto-sagornia.

608
00:29:22.859 --> 00:29:24.180
Oh, sacrificer.

609
00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:25.559
I love them.

610
00:29:25.619 --> 00:29:26.460
Look at their eyes.

611
00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:30.119
That is the big red one is Moisten Evans.

612
00:29:30.180 --> 00:29:31.559
Moisten?

613
00:29:31.619 --> 00:29:31.980
Yeah.

614
00:29:31.980 --> 00:29:35.099
Who was Di Evans in the Green Death?

615
00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:36.299
Oh, wow.

616
00:29:36.359 --> 00:29:37.619
He was green in that one.

617
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:38.400
He's read in this.

618
00:29:38.460 --> 00:29:38.940
Yes.

619
00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:42.359
Oh, the wee salt shakers.

620
00:29:42.900 --> 00:29:47.519
And all of the Dalek voices in this story are done by Michael Wisher.

621
00:29:47.579 --> 00:29:48.420
He doing all of them.

622
00:29:48.539 --> 00:29:51.839
I actually don't like his Dalek voices that much.

623
00:29:51.900 --> 00:29:54.539
I really seriously dislike Roy Skelton.

624
00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:55.380
It's terrible.

625
00:29:55.440 --> 00:30:03.240
Um, I don't know why we can't have nice things like uh, David Graham and help me out.

626
00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:04.259
Peter Hawkins.

627
00:30:04.259 --> 00:30:04.859
Peter Hawkins.

628
00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:06.599
David Graham still alive.

629
00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:08.460
I know he's still going Parker.

630
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:11.880
Yeah, he's playing Parker and Thunderbirds and he's...

631
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:12.599
See?

632
00:30:12.660 --> 00:30:15.960
Three of them are talking and then one of them is just standing there asleep.

633
00:30:16.019 --> 00:30:17.039
He's on a break.

634
00:30:17.819 --> 00:30:19.740
He's just standing.

635
00:30:19.740 --> 00:30:21.000
The chemical...

636
00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:21.720
The chemical again.

637
00:30:24.539 --> 00:30:26.819
And we, it is understorm.

638
00:30:26.819 --> 00:30:27.960
What's called terranium?

639
00:30:28.019 --> 00:30:29.640
We've had that...

640
00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:31.200
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

641
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:36.720
Which was originally viterranium, but they thought that that one extra syllable would be too hard for William Hartnold to pronounce.

642
00:30:36.779 --> 00:30:37.980
Yes.

643
00:30:37.980 --> 00:30:41.819
But I mean, it's essentially the magic chemical named after Terry Nation himself.

644
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:42.539
Yes.

645
00:30:43.079 --> 00:30:44.039
Shadow.

646
00:30:44.099 --> 00:30:44.640
It's shadow.

647
00:30:44.700 --> 00:30:47.039
Like Sarah Kingdom and Terry Nation.

648
00:30:47.099 --> 00:30:49.380
Jill Tarrant.

649
00:30:49.380 --> 00:30:50.579
I'm just learning to Jill Tarrant.

650
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:52.859
She doesn't look fabulous.

651
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:54.180
Dell Terrence's mother.

652
00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:55.500
Not many people know.

653
00:30:56.759 --> 00:31:00.539
But strangely enough, not Dev Terrence, mother.

654
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:03.779
They are actually dressed in the uniforms of the Terahawks, aren't they?

655
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:05.579
Terrahawks.

656
00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:07.799
That's the other thing David Graham's still doing. big finish.

657
00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:13.500
People spend all their time making nice things and then other people come along and smash them up.

658
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:15.240
It's pretty sad.

659
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:18.240
Oh, they, well, they left on some leak.

660
00:31:18.299 --> 00:31:19.740
They left a leak.

661
00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:21.539
I think...

662
00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:24.180
I thought you could see the tracks in the corner of that shop.

663
00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:25.019
You can.

664
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:29.460
That, well, that was that was my Michael Bryant's solution.

665
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:32.460
He's like, oh, you can't really take Daleks across that uneven ground.

666
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:33.779
We'll put some rails down.

667
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:37.740
And it does mean you get some good shots of them going at it fairly.

668
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:43.019
But it's like K 9 when he sort of trundles along and then gets on his rails and goes, yeah, yeah, exactly.

669
00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:43.380
Yeah.

670
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:45.240
Go and push him off.

671
00:31:45.299 --> 00:31:46.920
They're like cats, aren't they, Daleks?

672
00:31:46.980 --> 00:31:48.660
You know they're going to push the other one.

673
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:51.960
Yeah, yeah, it is. and it's a fabulous use of quarry.

674
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:55.500
And standing by himself.

675
00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:56.460
I wonder what's going to happen.

676
00:31:57.059 --> 00:32:01.500
Although, you know, YouTube have to ask why the hell is he standing by himself?

677
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:06.599
It's a bit of overcasting too, isn't it, having John Abaneri in it for essentially one episode?

678
00:32:06.660 --> 00:32:09.660
Oh, I think...

679
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:10.920
Ow, that really hurts.

680
00:32:10.980 --> 00:32:14.700
I think, you know, as we've identified before.

681
00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:17.400
It's kind of what's now known as the Deep Blue Sea casting.

682
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:23.400
When Samuel Jackson's casted Deep Blue Sea, gives a massive speech about how they're all going to get out and then is eaten by a shark.

683
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:26.519
We've referenced that before and it is great.

684
00:32:26.579 --> 00:32:32.819
The AV club this week had when good scenes happened to bad movies and that was like number one.

685
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:36.420
I like the fact that, you know, Jill is concerned.

686
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:37.799
Yes, yeah.

687
00:32:37.859 --> 00:32:39.539
There's yeah, there's a bit of humanity there.

688
00:32:40.619 --> 00:32:46.920
And they're nice little dugout pit that's just waiting for them in a couple of those shots.

689
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:49.740
And stage hands throwing arrows.

690
00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:52.440
No, it's good.

691
00:32:52.500 --> 00:32:53.400
I love this.

692
00:32:53.460 --> 00:32:56.339
Have you ever done archery, Brandon?

693
00:32:56.400 --> 00:33:00.420
Oh, at school camp years ago, years and years and years ago.

694
00:33:00.539 --> 00:33:01.019
You good?

695
00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:02.880
Um I hit the target.

696
00:33:02.940 --> 00:33:04.500
I've never managed that.

697
00:33:04.500 --> 00:33:06.059
Uniquely terrible at it.

698
00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:07.980
It's quite challenging.

699
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:10.980
They want an autograph.

700
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:18.000
Who's your favourite monster?

701
00:33:21.059 --> 00:33:21.839
Thanks for that.

702
00:33:21.900 --> 00:33:25.380
Will you read this?

703
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:26.460
the bitch.

704
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:31.380
Yeah, and oh.

705
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:39.180
Okay, and I love how they all react to this and they, you know, they actually get angry.

706
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:46.680
They're not just, I mean, they are faceless aliens in a way because they don't have faces. but they're not just cyphers.

707
00:33:46.740 --> 00:33:47.579
Yes, Richard?

708
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:51.000
They are kind of, you know, indigenous people.

709
00:33:51.059 --> 00:33:53.279
There is a kind of racism to it, obviously.

710
00:33:53.339 --> 00:33:55.380
But that's part of the genre.

711
00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:56.579
There's an effort to give them character.

712
00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:57.960
You enjoying this, Richard?

713
00:33:58.140 --> 00:33:59.579
I am.

714
00:34:02.819 --> 00:34:05.880
I had a couple of jokes, but you were all going so well.

715
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:09.599
See, that's an interesting shot that we haven't...

716
00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:12.239
Oh, I'm losing control. losing control.

717
00:34:12.300 --> 00:34:17.760
Running around with an old, um, inner tube of mum's elf foil doing the same thing.

718
00:34:17.820 --> 00:34:18.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

719
00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:19.500
I used to do that.

720
00:34:20.940 --> 00:34:28.860
And yeah, why, why does, why does the Dalek being whacked with some bows to decide, I'm gonna explode.

721
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:36.119
He's had enough his contracts off, but he's looking forward to appearing on the front cover of the novelisation, I think, at this point. true.

722
00:34:36.539 --> 00:34:41.940
Well, did you think at the time, well, the excellence, I know, we were all such little proto notes.

723
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:43.980
The excellent city affects all power systems.

724
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:53.159
Daleks may seem to have some kind of psychokinetic system, but a lot of their other systems are based on, we assume, some form of electricity, so they're more prone to injury.

725
00:34:53.219 --> 00:34:54.900
You know, that is a good point.

726
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:56.340
I hadn't considered that and that works.

727
00:34:56.400 --> 00:35:00.659
You know how children rationalise what they watch because they get a bit too involved.

728
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:04.860
But but also, you know, Terry Nation was dead against the Daleks appearing weak.

729
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:06.780
So I think you're I think you're onto something there.

730
00:35:07.739 --> 00:35:13.320
As far as we know, it's only their movement that I love the psychokinetic thing and the Daleks.

731
00:35:13.380 --> 00:35:14.880
That needs a whole lot more exploration.

732
00:35:14.940 --> 00:35:15.960
Hello, big finish.

733
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:18.059
Or perhaps we can just leave it where it is.

734
00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:20.099
Till looks very unimpressed here.

735
00:35:20.699 --> 00:35:26.940
It is a bit of a throwaway line just to say why it's only their guns that aren't affected, isn't it?

736
00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:32.039
But also the human brain uses electricity.

737
00:35:32.099 --> 00:35:33.300
So why are we not all affected?

738
00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:34.739
We probably are.

739
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:38.940
That was a plot point in a recent episode I watched of Space 1999.

740
00:35:38.940 --> 00:35:40.559
The Bringers of Wonder.

741
00:35:40.619 --> 00:35:42.119
Is that the one written by Pip and Jane?

742
00:35:42.179 --> 00:35:43.679
No, no.

743
00:35:43.739 --> 00:35:45.000
It's a few episodes after that.

744
00:35:45.059 --> 00:35:46.800
See, it's not too bad.

745
00:35:46.860 --> 00:35:48.000
Yeah I think that's okay.

746
00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:50.880
He's really trying to mask having to do that.

747
00:35:50.940 --> 00:35:54.599
Yeah, but yeah, again, he's putting stuff in the foreground and in the background.

748
00:35:54.900 --> 00:35:59.699
We have not always been fans of Mr. Bryant's work in the past, have we?

749
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:01.380
What else is he responsible for?

750
00:36:02.099 --> 00:36:02.639
on.

751
00:36:02.699 --> 00:36:07.199
Um, yeah, sea devils, this robots of death.

752
00:36:07.260 --> 00:36:08.579
He has done more than that, though.

753
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:13.260
Poor Sarah has been here for a very long time. been harassed by these guys.

754
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:14.159
She has, hasn't she?

755
00:36:14.219 --> 00:36:15.239
Off her face by now, though.

756
00:36:15.300 --> 00:36:18.179
Well, she's from 1974, 80 slash.

757
00:36:18.300 --> 00:36:18.719
So...

758
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:20.639
He's probably used to it.

759
00:36:20.699 --> 00:36:22.260
Probably just a normal Saturday night.

760
00:36:22.380 --> 00:36:27.119
Yeah, hanging around the pop plants at home, you know, craming her life away.

761
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:32.219
So Michael Bryant does Colony in Space, the Sea Devils, the Green Death.

762
00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:38.280
Death to the Daleks, Revenge of the Cyberman, and the Robots of Death.

763
00:36:38.340 --> 00:36:44.340
So I'd probably say in their colony in space and revenge of the cybermen are the ones that have great location work, but not so great studio.

764
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:45.480
But the rest are good.

765
00:36:45.539 --> 00:36:47.159
You're right about the studio difference.

766
00:36:47.219 --> 00:36:48.599
But really, is that is that fair?

767
00:36:48.659 --> 00:36:50.639
I think he does a terrific draw.

768
00:36:50.699 --> 00:36:51.300
Oh, hello.

769
00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:53.340
She is to be sacrificed.

770
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:54.480
Oh, hey, right.

771
00:36:54.539 --> 00:36:56.039
Ow.

772
00:36:56.099 --> 00:36:58.019
You chopped me in the crotch.

773
00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:00.119
I'm an alien. or is it Terry?

774
00:37:00.179 --> 00:37:01.320
Terry, isn't it?

775
00:37:01.860 --> 00:37:03.599
That'd be terrible.

776
00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:04.679
The hair looks convincing.

777
00:37:04.739 --> 00:37:08.039
But then again, John's back pain was particularly bad by this point.

778
00:37:08.099 --> 00:37:11.579
And he was bored, like anytime he's not facing the camera.

779
00:37:11.699 --> 00:37:12.960
Very Walsh, frankly.

780
00:37:14.340 --> 00:37:17.340
Again, some handheld stuff or whatever.

781
00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:18.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

782
00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:20.280
There's some good POV work in this.

783
00:37:20.340 --> 00:37:21.300
That's good.

784
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:21.900
Yeah.

785
00:37:21.900 --> 00:37:24.480
More focus onto Sarah?

786
00:37:24.539 --> 00:37:26.579
Yeah, Sarah's taking the vapours.

787
00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:28.139
Oh, vaping.

788
00:37:29.460 --> 00:37:32.340
They won't let her vape at the mall anymore.

789
00:37:33.059 --> 00:37:36.599
She has to go to a whole other space planet.

790
00:37:36.659 --> 00:37:39.000
Johnny's lying down with his leg up.

791
00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:45.840
Jill's making sure Sarah's okay.

792
00:37:45.900 --> 00:37:53.039
We haven't signed Edgar Rice Burrows yet, but when I was thinking of John Carter of Mars, that's the writer I was trying to think of.

793
00:37:53.099 --> 00:37:54.420
And of course, the Tarzan stories.

794
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:55.619
Is there a lot of Tarzan in this?

795
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:56.519
Well there's a lot of roots.

796
00:37:56.579 --> 00:37:58.860
Let's have another female Sarah can talk to.

797
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:01.320
Yes, oh, there we go.

798
00:38:01.380 --> 00:38:01.920
We had a moment.

799
00:38:01.980 --> 00:38:04.199
Were the girls talking about boys?

800
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:05.159
Probably.

801
00:38:05.219 --> 00:38:08.400
They are there, but later they will be talking about piraniums.

802
00:38:08.460 --> 00:38:10.559
I'm still boyish.

803
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:16.739
This is this bit shocked me as a child.

804
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:35.219
The, um, uh, just Galloway's incredible kind of, um, uh, you know, pragmatism and his refusal to listen to the captain about how he's unfit to command, but it is very Terry Nation, and it is something that Terry, you know, does all the time.

805
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:38.340
It's very Blake 7, you know, the sort of ruthless character.

806
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:46.679
But just as a 10 year old, you know, I'd never seen people behave like that and was terribly shocked by how amoral.

807
00:38:46.739 --> 00:38:47.340
He's seemed to be.

808
00:38:47.460 --> 00:38:49.500
I like his arc.

809
00:38:49.619 --> 00:38:51.539
I think he does a great job.

810
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:52.980
Oh, yes, yes.

811
00:38:53.039 --> 00:39:05.579
I mean, it is, um, Well, you know, I agree with you as a kid, like to see this character sort of just disregard the commander and just, you know, do it for himself, really.

812
00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:07.559
Yeah, and it's like his dying wish.

813
00:39:07.619 --> 00:39:10.139
It's the commander's dying words and he ignores them.

814
00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:11.159
It seems so shocking.

815
00:39:11.219 --> 00:39:20.579
But, you know, he has a real pragmatism because he wants to save the completely imaginary offscreen people who are suffering from this terrible disease.

816
00:39:20.579 --> 00:39:25.500
And so he's just looking at it from a different moral perspective.

817
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:27.239
And he sacrifices himself?

818
00:39:27.300 --> 00:39:29.460
Spoiler alert. to save them all.

819
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:31.559
I like that conversation with Sarah.

820
00:39:31.619 --> 00:39:33.900
John just... like the pace of this.

821
00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:35.219
The whole thing feels.

822
00:39:35.699 --> 00:39:37.800
But I think it's from really this season.

823
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:43.320
Well, last year and this year, the pace is certainly you can watch a lot of these things now quite easily.

824
00:39:43.380 --> 00:39:45.420
Except for Monster of Paladon.

825
00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:46.920
Oh, I'm Planet of the Daleks.

826
00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:48.000
I'm Plan of the Daleks.

827
00:39:48.059 --> 00:39:49.260
So the 6 parties are still a trial.

828
00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:51.780
But the fore part is very watchable.

829
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:53.340
It's a naturalistic pace.

830
00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:55.860
I know it is more contemporary, but...

831
00:39:56.159 --> 00:39:57.840
It gives the actors time.

832
00:39:57.900 --> 00:39:59.099
I love that.

833
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:01.139
Yes, they did comedy.

834
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:02.099
But did we just...

835
00:40:02.099 --> 00:40:03.719
Daleks are making those.

836
00:40:03.780 --> 00:40:07.019
We just want the term space chums.

837
00:40:09.059 --> 00:40:11.639
That's that's peak Terry.

838
00:40:11.699 --> 00:40:12.480
Classic Terry.

839
00:40:12.539 --> 00:40:14.760
But you're right, but you're right, Richard.

840
00:40:14.820 --> 00:40:22.199
There is a Dalek somewhere whose job is to make the miniature TARDIS. and all the other Daleks laugh at him, but he's like Sigourney Weaver in Galaxy Quest.

841
00:40:22.260 --> 00:40:25.739
I've got one job on this ship and it's stupid, but I'm gonna do it.

842
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:28.320
Ah, yes.

843
00:40:28.980 --> 00:40:30.420
Sorry.

844
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:33.000
We're back But didn't you cheer too?

845
00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:36.960
Oh, yeah. come back with guns like, yeah, and I do like those little pointy-pokey gun things.

846
00:40:37.019 --> 00:40:41.639
They look like something your dad would use at Easter to do the barbeque, but ooh, they really get in.

847
00:40:41.699 --> 00:40:46.679
But it's meant to be this thing too, where, you know, what happens when the Daleks are vulnerable?

848
00:40:46.739 --> 00:40:55.500
isn't that a terribly interesting new idea that Terry's had for a change and it lasts for 10 minutes into the episode and then they just get other guns and they're fine.

849
00:40:55.559 --> 00:41:05.820
I like the think that the, um, the doctor and Sarah have had this conversation about they're going to now share in the punishment and then, of course, a few minutes later, they are now sharing in the punishment.

850
00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:07.980
Yes.

851
00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:09.420
Foreshadowing dead listener.

852
00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:10.980
Uh.

853
00:41:10.980 --> 00:41:13.500
Oh, so hold on.

854
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:15.900
So there's 2 Daleks with orange lights.

855
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:16.320
Yeah.

856
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:17.760
From a mini Cooper.

857
00:41:17.820 --> 00:41:19.679
They swipe them from a mini Cooper.

858
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:21.239
Though they are mini Cooper lights.

859
00:41:21.300 --> 00:41:27.659
Morris, Morris car lights, because, you know, because we are very exact exacting in our nerditude.

860
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:30.300
Yes, no beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.

861
00:41:30.780 --> 00:41:33.000
Where are they getting all their juice?

862
00:41:33.059 --> 00:41:34.019
I haven't seen many plants.

863
00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:37.199
Perhaps they have plantations for rope.

864
00:41:37.619 --> 00:41:39.599
Kiss me, Hardy.

865
00:41:40.380 --> 00:41:42.239
Yeah, see.

866
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:49.380
You're supposed to think that, that, um...

867
00:41:49.380 --> 00:41:50.400
You're just a figurehead.

868
00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:52.260
Sorry?

869
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:57.659
Oh, just, you know, did you think at the time that Galloway may have actually had a hand in his injuries?

870
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:01.079
Oh, no, I hadn't considered that, but...

871
00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:04.260
I'm getting flashbacks too, being a little boy watching this, you say.

872
00:42:04.380 --> 00:42:09.960
But, you know, we do get a bit of building here that these people have, these 2 have known each other for a very long time.

873
00:42:10.019 --> 00:42:11.579
Well, they are terribly close.

874
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:13.199
Yes, they.

875
00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:15.360
Just had a tiff.

876
00:42:15.420 --> 00:42:16.260
There we go.

877
00:42:16.260 --> 00:42:18.420
But...

878
00:42:18.420 --> 00:42:21.719
You know, we give Terry a lot of stick and he deserves it.

879
00:42:21.780 --> 00:42:28.500
He, um, even right from his very 1st story, he's interested in morality, isn't he?

880
00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:32.219
He is, but he grew up with the same things that we love.

881
00:42:32.340 --> 00:42:36.719
It's Elwell, um, or Bulwer Lytton, E and Bulwer Lytton.

882
00:42:36.780 --> 00:42:57.780
His story of, you know, the city, you know, I can't remember the book, but it's the city, uh, and land in the centre of the earth, which is also this, that they were, but the British explorers on the 19th century, had discovered mazes, cities of mazes in, in Africa, just like this, you know, they're just built from centuries of dead kings and Todd is, I think we need to pass past the diary.

883
00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:00.539
Sorry, I was laughing at John's gurning face.

884
00:43:00.539 --> 00:43:01.199
And here they go.

885
00:43:01.260 --> 00:43:04.079
Since it wasn't Eccles who started the gurney, folks.

886
00:43:04.139 --> 00:43:05.639
Oh, God, no, no, no, no.

887
00:43:05.699 --> 00:43:07.380
It was a lovely homage to our John.

888
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:09.960
Oh, pixelons, I've got problems.

889
00:43:10.019 --> 00:43:14.519
Todd, weren't you keeping tramp of all of the instances of per tweak earning?

890
00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:15.239
Yes, yes.

891
00:43:15.300 --> 00:43:16.139
Where are we on?

892
00:43:16.139 --> 00:43:18.300
Well, there's only been one door in this so far.

893
00:43:18.360 --> 00:43:21.480
And now we jumped to the other side.

894
00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:26.699
Oh, it's another rotten, gloomy old tunnel. best.

895
00:43:26.760 --> 00:43:31.800
But that was just going to say, nation grew up on the same stories that I love, and we all love, I guess, Edwardian children's fiction.

896
00:43:31.860 --> 00:43:32.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

897
00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:35.159
That's what I was going to say about Woolitton.

898
00:43:35.219 --> 00:43:36.119
It feels like.

899
00:43:36.300 --> 00:43:39.119
He was the man who wrote beneath the rule of men entirely great.

900
00:43:39.179 --> 00:43:40.559
The pen is mightier than the sword.

901
00:43:40.619 --> 00:43:41.400
Ah.

902
00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:42.000
Yes.

903
00:43:42.059 --> 00:43:44.460
You learn a lot on these podcasts, probably.

904
00:43:44.699 --> 00:43:47.340
We have an educational remit.

905
00:43:47.340 --> 00:43:49.260
We do.

906
00:43:49.260 --> 00:43:51.119
Like, Jane Baker, the science has to work.

907
00:43:51.420 --> 00:43:54.420
So living, bubbling lump of hate.

908
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:58.139
Well, I'm glad I've got my iPad connected to my megabyte modem.

909
00:43:58.199 --> 00:43:58.920
Yes.

910
00:43:58.980 --> 00:44:00.239
I see.

911
00:44:00.300 --> 00:44:01.559
No, I don't. kind of cute.

912
00:44:02.099 --> 00:44:04.800
Was Nation the type to throw in?

913
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:08.820
He had his own politics, even though he was, as far as I know, a conservative, but...

914
00:44:08.820 --> 00:44:09.900
Yeah, he seems conservative.

915
00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:12.300
But that meant a different thing in the 70s too.

916
00:44:12.420 --> 00:44:16.440
Well, sometimes the politics gets away from him and ends up being really horrific.

917
00:44:16.500 --> 00:44:22.980
I think survivors is a good example of just how appalling and nasty his politics can be.

918
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:29.880
Like Holmes himself and like the others, it's actually the constraints of Doctor Who are quite healthy. for those writers.

919
00:44:29.940 --> 00:44:38.760
Well, I think homes is complicated because he will write things that are anti-colonial while being still very right wing.

920
00:44:38.820 --> 00:44:46.739
And I think he just thinks colonialism is ridiculous rather than like a serious moral flaw.

921
00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:50.820
You can be conflicting in your sentiments and still come out.

922
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:51.960
What were you going to say, Tom?

923
00:44:52.019 --> 00:44:54.420
I'm not quite listening because I'm actually watching this.

924
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:56.039
And sorry.

925
00:44:56.099 --> 00:44:57.179
No, no, no, that's all right.

926
00:44:57.179 --> 00:45:00.659
And I just love the fact that Galloway, is it Galloway?

927
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:06.840
Galloway tries to sort of make buddies with the daleks and say, oh, our way of thinking and all that sort of thing and they just dismiss him.

928
00:45:06.900 --> 00:45:07.920
Yeah.

929
00:45:07.980 --> 00:45:11.099
And I love this fact that, you know, they're working out.

930
00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:15.480
Sarah's working out the fact that, well, we shouldn't really go this way because we're going to be sacrificed down here.

931
00:45:15.539 --> 00:45:28.019
Yeah, this is kind of the last story for a while where we see humans try to apply human wheeler dealing to the Daleks and try to make a deal with them.

932
00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:30.719
I would argue we don't really see it again until remembrance.

933
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:39.900
Um, and it's, it's an interesting idea that Big Finish constantly pick up on, and in the Dalek Empire audio, there are constant toadies trying to save the Daleks.

934
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:40.920
Oh, but we have an alliance.

935
00:45:40.980 --> 00:45:49.800
And of course, it's dramatic irony for us because we know as the audience, Daleks don't, Daleks don't make deals, and if they do, they immediately go back on them.

936
00:45:49.860 --> 00:45:51.000
Have we had a story yet?

937
00:45:51.059 --> 00:45:52.079
Deal with the Daleks.

938
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:55.920
Well, there is a...

939
00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:57.360
Oh, we've done a deal with the excellence.

940
00:45:57.420 --> 00:45:57.840
Not really.

941
00:45:57.900 --> 00:45:59.699
Liar, liar.

942
00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:10.440
Well, you see, he's going to make a really good deal and they're still going to be part of the common market and they're still going to have freedom of movement and they're not going to have to pay money into the EU.

943
00:46:10.500 --> 00:46:12.059
I mean, into the Earth Empire.

944
00:46:12.179 --> 00:46:13.679
It's hard perineum.

945
00:46:13.739 --> 00:46:14.760
Yeah, yeah.

946
00:46:14.820 --> 00:46:17.340
Hard perineum. perine exit.

947
00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:19.800
Exit.

948
00:46:19.860 --> 00:46:21.420
Oh, no, wait.

949
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:23.400
There's a breakaway group.

950
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:24.420
2 X's, you see.

951
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:25.559
Exit Lord.

952
00:46:25.619 --> 00:46:27.239
Perenium.

953
00:46:27.300 --> 00:46:28.139
Dear.

954
00:46:31.380 --> 00:46:37.679
I mean, yeah, so here we have the sort of the pragmatic morality versus the, if you like, sentimental morality.

955
00:46:37.739 --> 00:46:42.539
And look, lovely middle class, Jill and middle class guy who looks at the camera all the time.

956
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:51.420
They're the people who we're supposed to think are right in this conversation because of, you know, just their class and she's a lady and all of that sort of thing.

957
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:57.539
And Galloway is meant to be wrong, but, you know, that's not how it works out.

958
00:46:57.599 --> 00:46:58.320
Yeah.

959
00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:03.840
It doesn't also, it also doesn't help that Julian looks like Eric Idol.

960
00:47:03.900 --> 00:47:07.500
So you expect him to break.

961
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:08.760
Yeah, burst into song, make a joke.

962
00:47:08.820 --> 00:47:14.039
I love how they're Jill and Julian and Jack and sort of lovely names, you know.

963
00:47:14.099 --> 00:47:14.579
Jill.

964
00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:16.980
I'm Galloway because I'm working class.

965
00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:19.199
I like this conversation.

966
00:47:20.099 --> 00:47:21.960
Myself mostly.

967
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:31.800
And the weird thing is, also, I'm sure that the ABC version, when was broadcast as a kid, just cuts on, who are you kidding?

968
00:47:31.860 --> 00:47:37.199
And there's an American version that cuts on that as well for no readily apparent reason.

969
00:47:37.260 --> 00:47:41.820
Ladies and gentlemen, I bring you the London saxophone quartet.

970
00:47:46.019 --> 00:47:48.119
I think music's great.

971
00:47:48.179 --> 00:47:48.900
Yeah, yeah.

972
00:47:49.019 --> 00:47:53.099
Kerry Blighton never does a bad score, I think.

973
00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:56.820
I think it's less appropriate in revenge of the cybermen.

974
00:47:56.940 --> 00:47:58.800
Has this one go?

975
00:48:04.739 --> 00:48:07.260
Probably not at this precise moment.

976
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:08.159
Sorry, dude.

977
00:48:09.059 --> 00:48:13.619
Oh, I love the, I love this humour that they have in the face of danger.

978
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:23.039
And, and, um, this is a bit like, um, the 5 doctors, I'll distribute it of reconnance.

979
00:48:23.099 --> 00:48:23.639
Wait here.

980
00:48:23.699 --> 00:48:24.480
Yeah, yeah.

981
00:48:24.539 --> 00:48:34.619
Also, we didn't comment at the time, but I love that bit in episode one where she tells him not to wander off and he immediately turns to the camera with a wicked little smile and wanders off.

982
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:36.780
He's like, oh, that's what this is like.

983
00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:37.920
No wonder they do it.

984
00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:42.480
Oh, dear.

985
00:48:43.619 --> 00:48:45.000
Yeah.

986
00:48:45.059 --> 00:48:47.280
Not happy about it, but yeah, fine.

987
00:48:47.340 --> 00:48:49.559
No, but again, look how warm she is.

988
00:48:49.619 --> 00:48:51.179
Like the smile is lovely.

989
00:48:51.300 --> 00:48:52.860
She's just so charismatic.

990
00:48:53.219 --> 00:48:59.039
You know, I do feel sorry for April Walker, but I don't think anyone could have played the part better than Liz.

991
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:07.380
For the, for those who aren't aware, of course, Liz Slaton was the 2nd casting choice for Sarah Jane.

992
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:16.079
They started rehearsals with an actress called April Walker, who was a pretty much a 6 foot tall blonde, who you will find in...

993
00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:19.380
The Fulty Towers, Psycho.

994
00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:20.460
The wedding party, yes.

995
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:21.239
She's Jean.

996
00:49:21.300 --> 00:49:22.079
She is.

997
00:49:22.139 --> 00:49:23.699
She's also drawn in the annual for this year.

998
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:26.039
They used her photo references for Sarah Jones.

999
00:49:26.099 --> 00:49:27.599
Have a look if you've got a copy of it, yeah.

1000
00:49:27.659 --> 00:49:28.679
Did John get on with her?

1001
00:49:28.739 --> 00:49:38.099
Apparently, yeah, apparently, well, apparently, according to Barry, they didn't have good chemistry in the performance.

1002
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:39.239
I don't think it was.

1003
00:49:39.300 --> 00:49:48.239
I don't think it was a personal matter whether they got on or not, but it was actually John who then said to Barry, well, look, you're not asking me about casting decisions.

1004
00:49:48.300 --> 00:49:49.800
That's why we don't have chemistry.

1005
00:49:49.860 --> 00:49:54.840
And that led to the, that led to the...

1006
00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:56.460
He is lovely.

1007
00:49:56.460 --> 00:49:57.599
This is fantastic.

1008
00:49:57.659 --> 00:49:58.860
Isn't it great?

1009
00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:01.260
Beautiful car, beautiful playing too.

1010
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:04.320
That led to the famous moment after...

1011
00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:05.519
It's the root.

1012
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:10.079
I had to crash Zoom on a route.

1013
00:50:10.139 --> 00:50:11.579
Oh end of episode.

1014
00:50:11.639 --> 00:50:18.360
But yeah, it led to the famous moment where after auditioning Elizabeth Slayton and being very happy with it.

1015
00:50:18.420 --> 00:50:22.679
Barry said to her, oh, I just need to go get something from the rehearsal room.

1016
00:50:22.739 --> 00:50:23.579
Will you come down with me?

1017
00:50:23.699 --> 00:50:38.880
And the idea was to get her to meet John without expecting that she was going to meet John, and she met John, and they talked for a few minutes, and when she turned around to Barry, John immediately raised both thumbs above her head and grinned at Barry, and that was how she got cast.

1018
00:50:38.940 --> 00:50:41.880
And I believe Liz didn't know that for several years.

1019
00:50:41.940 --> 00:50:43.679
It was several years before John told her.

1020
00:50:43.739 --> 00:50:50.159
You know, I didn't have final approval, but as soon as I met you, I knew you were right for the part.

1021
00:50:50.219 --> 00:51:01.079
Now, Richard, is that a bowedlarized and completely non-actionable version of the story, though, it wouldn't have the actual story that we've heard, which... different than that.

1022
00:51:01.139 --> 00:51:01.920
They were actually...

1023
00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:02.699
You know what?

1024
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:05.760
I just want to say that I really loved this Entitle sequence.

1025
00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:07.500
I'm happy to hear that every time.

1026
00:51:07.619 --> 00:51:10.860
I felt about it 5 years of age and I still feel it now.

1027
00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:17.639
And I wonder if it was just that we were so impressionable that perfect age when you 1st see something. imprinted on it.

1028
00:51:17.699 --> 00:51:21.179
But I think it's all, I'm so open to the subtleties.

1029
00:51:21.179 --> 00:51:23.579
If they get it, that keep the story is simple.

1030
00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:24.659
Yes, it's traduced.

1031
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:28.440
We've seen it many times before, but that doesn't diminish its potency.

1032
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:31.559
And I think that's where nation wins out.

1033
00:51:31.619 --> 00:51:32.820
There's simple stories.

1034
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:39.900
And just like Joseph Campbell, and just like Star Wars, look how, well, they've done with their little franchise, it doesn't hurt to retell an old story.

1035
00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:41.280
Yeah, exactly.

1036
00:51:41.340 --> 00:51:47.820
And if you look at the original Star Wars trilogy versus the prequel trilogy, not Stones of Campbell. not talking about any...

1037
00:51:47.820 --> 00:51:48.659
Velakovsky.

1038
00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:50.519
We talked about, sorry, have we talked about Velikovsky?

1039
00:51:50.579 --> 00:51:56.579
I think we need to because that's kind of the root of this and the whole Celtic ledge and stuff at the 19th century, but.

1040
00:51:57.539 --> 00:52:02.280
Oh, I was just going to say that, you know, those 1st 3 Star Wars movies are simple stories well told.

1041
00:52:02.340 --> 00:52:08.280
The prequel trilogy, with its focus on politics, loses that simplicity.

1042
00:52:08.340 --> 00:52:09.239
And it still pays tax.

1043
00:52:09.300 --> 00:52:09.659
Yeah.

1044
00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:10.019
Yeah.

1045
00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:12.360
And he couches in the prequel trilogy.

1046
00:52:12.420 --> 00:52:12.900
Yeah.

1047
00:52:12.900 --> 00:52:15.420
A lot of people sit on couches. much like this podcast.

1048
00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:17.880
It's Cardinal Zorak again, isn't it?

1049
00:52:17.940 --> 00:52:21.659
But yeah, and, you know, they're like this thing.

1050
00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:23.639
It's a lovely one.

1051
00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:24.539
Going in for an attack.

1052
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:32.219
Do you feel it's the front of one of those eccentric Bristol cars that from the 1970s, you know, that they were small pieces?

1053
00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:34.860
Oh, gosh, she really does tear a world, doesn't she?

1054
00:52:34.860 --> 00:52:36.719
There is a fantastic sequence.

1055
00:52:36.780 --> 00:52:37.559
Oh isn't he pretty?

1056
00:52:37.619 --> 00:52:39.659
Actually, there's a cosplay for you, Brandon.

1057
00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:40.380
Oh, practically.

1058
00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:43.139
I really wanted him to be a companion.

1059
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:47.159
Well, wasn't that actually muttered in the back room?

1060
00:52:47.219 --> 00:52:49.139
No, no, no, no, no.

1061
00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:50.820
No, I haven't heard that.

1062
00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:51.360
Never.

1063
00:52:51.420 --> 00:52:52.320
No.

1064
00:52:53.039 --> 00:52:56.699
It might have just been said as a kind thing, but I have heard it said.

1065
00:52:56.760 --> 00:53:00.179
He would have been really spectacular, wouldn't he?

1066
00:53:00.900 --> 00:53:01.860
Invasion of the dinosaurs.

1067
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:09.059
Before this, of course. has gone down to the sound.

1068
00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:18.239
I just I just love the way that she's like so nervous around him and he's been, you know, he's a bit of a racist, isn't she?

1069
00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:21.719
Yeah, and she'll be racist again next story and then apologise for it.

1070
00:53:21.780 --> 00:53:25.619
She does apologise to Alpha Centauri for judging by appearances.

1071
00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:29.099
Um, Richard, I'm I'm detecting so...

1072
00:53:29.099 --> 00:53:32.579
That way leads to...

1073
00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:35.699
I think we need to take you outside and roll you in mud.

1074
00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:42.059
Richard, I'm detecting a lot of Mary Tyler Moore in this performance.

1075
00:53:42.179 --> 00:53:44.820
Now she's going to ask him, now they're friends.

1076
00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:45.599
I love it.

1077
00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:46.739
It is very sweet.

1078
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:47.699
It is very sweet.

1079
00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:49.860
Oh, and it's...

1080
00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:53.099
Oh, I just love them.

1081
00:53:53.159 --> 00:54:00.239
I actually wanted the Belle Allen Kodal comedy half hour featuring...

1082
00:54:00.300 --> 00:54:01.440
One of them's Codal.

1083
00:54:01.500 --> 00:54:03.420
I thought Kodal was that character in numb.

1084
00:54:03.480 --> 00:54:04.260
He's goat out.

1085
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:05.099
Oh, goat out.

1086
00:54:05.099 --> 00:54:06.179
Yeah, goat out.

1087
00:54:06.179 --> 00:54:06.900
Sorry.

1088
00:54:06.900 --> 00:54:08.280
It gives the lecturer.

1089
00:54:08.340 --> 00:54:11.460
But yeah, the Bell Owl and Goatow comedy half hour.

1090
00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:13.320
The 2 sil comedy half hour, yes.

1091
00:54:13.380 --> 00:54:15.179
And they're a couple, aren't they?

1092
00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:16.139
Oh, yeah.

1093
00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:19.380
You know, featuring the, ooh, ah, dancers.

1094
00:54:20.340 --> 00:54:22.920
And this week's discussion topic.

1095
00:54:23.460 --> 00:54:31.320
Look at them. trying to stop her. absolutely killing it here because they're just standing there in rubber because they don't want to do anything.

1096
00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:33.719
She's doing some fabulous struggling age.

1097
00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:36.960
Maybe she's allergic to lighting.

1098
00:54:37.019 --> 00:54:42.059
Now, Liz, don't go too fast because they won't be able to grab you because something will break.

1099
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:44.579
Or break a seal.

1100
00:54:48.420 --> 00:54:55.440
Look, for a vacuum cleaner hose on a bit of string, it's remarkably effective.

1101
00:54:55.980 --> 00:55:00.239
We should add that, did you know Holmes changed the name to perineum?

1102
00:55:00.300 --> 00:55:03.840
And he did say it because it's because the Daleks are a pain in the arse.

1103
00:55:03.900 --> 00:55:05.880
And what was the original name?

1104
00:55:05.940 --> 00:55:06.420
Does that say?

1105
00:55:06.539 --> 00:55:09.179
Terra, Terra, Terra, Terra, Terra.

1106
00:55:09.539 --> 00:55:11.460
Oh, good shot, sir.

1107
00:55:11.579 --> 00:55:13.079
I mean, that's a bit...

1108
00:55:13.079 --> 00:55:14.280
A palpable hit.

1109
00:55:14.340 --> 00:55:15.480
I think that's a bit.

1110
00:55:15.539 --> 00:55:16.440
Oh, it's lovely.

1111
00:55:16.500 --> 00:55:19.320
And it shows that he did rewrite the 1st draft of Hamlet.

1112
00:55:19.380 --> 00:55:20.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

1113
00:55:21.179 --> 00:55:22.920
No, I must.

1114
00:55:22.980 --> 00:55:23.460
Yeah.

1115
00:55:23.460 --> 00:55:29.820
The Peranium was originally the elixir, that's the...

1116
00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:34.860
So yeah, nation kind of went, no, don't just call it the elixir.

1117
00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:40.860
Let's give it an actual scientific name and Holmes was like, oh, how about, how about, uh, piranium?

1118
00:55:40.860 --> 00:55:43.739
and Terry Nation said, oh, yes, and Holmes had a little chuckle to himself.

1119
00:55:43.980 --> 00:55:46.619
It's like his giant fart joke.

1120
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:48.360
Crawl.

1121
00:55:48.360 --> 00:55:51.360
Ha, ha, ha.

1122
00:55:51.360 --> 00:55:53.460
With the garlic gun.

1123
00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:54.900
And this is some...

1124
00:55:54.900 --> 00:56:01.920
Well, you know, I thought this was the 1st time we'd seen a Dalek gun, but of course we now know that we see a Dalek gun in Power of the Dalek.

1125
00:56:01.980 --> 00:56:04.440
Did you know the excellence were meant to originally be made?

1126
00:56:04.500 --> 00:56:06.780
Sorry, of the same.

1127
00:56:06.840 --> 00:56:11.880
The reason they blend into the hills and everything, that's kept in the thing, but they're meant to be a silicon-based life form.

1128
00:56:11.940 --> 00:56:13.380
I still see them as that.

1129
00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:19.019
And and just like El Dread and very rare Silicon-based life.

1130
00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:21.239
Yeah, ovary.

1131
00:56:22.500 --> 00:56:24.119
They're friends.

1132
00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:25.619
I was the doctor about to hit them.

1133
00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:27.659
Yes, he's such an old racist too.

1134
00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:32.460
I love the way that she makes friends with her.

1135
00:56:32.579 --> 00:56:34.500
She does, yeah, gaspingly.

1136
00:56:34.619 --> 00:56:37.739
And you know, very often she'll make friends and be sort of terrified of them.

1137
00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:39.960
And then when the doctor's terrified of them, she'll tell him all.

1138
00:56:41.820 --> 00:56:43.980
Run, run, run.

1139
00:56:44.039 --> 00:56:46.559
It's because Terry was off...

1140
00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:49.860
Terrence, I'm sorry, was off doing Mimbase 3, wasn't he?

1141
00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:51.239
So that's why Holmes was left to do this.

1142
00:56:51.300 --> 00:56:52.559
Yeah.

1143
00:56:52.619 --> 00:56:54.300
Oh, poor Moonbase three.

1144
00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:55.199
Loving those rocks.

1145
00:56:56.159 --> 00:57:06.059
Yeah, all 6 episodes exist, including, including the horrible one where it's like, oh, this guy sexually assaulted you, but we're on the moon.

1146
00:57:06.360 --> 00:57:09.360
We'll put him in another section of the space base.

1147
00:57:09.420 --> 00:57:09.780
Okay.

1148
00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:11.699
Yeah, it's awful.

1149
00:57:11.760 --> 00:57:16.139
It shows that such things should be left to Jerry Anderson and his wife.

1150
00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:20.519
Yeah, well, you know, at least they had the guts to kill people in Space 19.

1151
00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:24.300
I'm thinking of UFO And they had much more lady as well.

1152
00:57:24.360 --> 00:57:26.099
They'd had lady people, yeah.

1153
00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:41.159
You know, Jill Tarrant was going to be the leader of the exhibition for this. she and Galloway's parts were actually interchanged, but for some, I don't know why they were swapped, but just because they were so aware of the character of Rebic and the previous story being so dull.

1154
00:57:41.579 --> 00:57:47.820
I think, I think that Joel Tarrant gets a better, gets a better slice of the action in this than Rebeck did.

1155
00:57:47.880 --> 00:57:51.900
Because remember, Rebek's only there because she's chased a boyfriend down.

1156
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:53.940
And he's very cross at her.

1157
00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:54.539
Yeah.

1158
00:57:54.599 --> 00:57:57.239
Because now he has to protect her because she's a useless woman.

1159
00:57:57.300 --> 00:57:59.340
She'll sprain her ankle at any moment.

1160
00:57:59.400 --> 00:57:59.940
Yeah.

1161
00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:03.360
Whereas, you know, Jill has a very important role on this mission.

1162
00:58:03.420 --> 00:58:04.500
They're looking for this mineral.

1163
00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:05.460
She's the geologist.

1164
00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:08.159
You can't even get the cake mix into the oven.

1165
00:58:08.219 --> 00:58:09.179
It just serves it raw.

1166
00:58:09.420 --> 00:58:11.280
Jill Tarrant.

1167
00:58:11.340 --> 00:58:14.159
No one's got nothing nice to say about Jill Tarrant, really.

1168
00:58:14.219 --> 00:58:15.599
Isn't that pretty fabulous?

1169
00:58:15.659 --> 00:58:16.199
very pretty.

1170
00:58:16.260 --> 00:58:23.219
I think she's, I actually think she's lovely and she, and she gives quiet sucker to the rest of the program.

1171
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:24.539
Isn't that pretty?

1172
00:58:24.599 --> 00:58:26.280
rubber bloke here.

1173
00:58:26.340 --> 00:58:28.619
Yeah, you didn't realise that was a bloke until he moved his head.

1174
00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:29.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1175
00:58:29.460 --> 00:58:29.880
Yeah, yeah.

1176
00:58:29.940 --> 00:58:31.199
Yeah, the design works and that.

1177
00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:34.679
Yeah, so Bryant has, you know, been careful to stick to the concepts.

1178
00:58:37.019 --> 00:58:41.280
Yeah, it's a lovely sunny day on location. is gorgeous, isn't it?

1179
00:58:41.340 --> 00:58:43.559
The humans are in blue so you can see them immediately.

1180
00:58:43.619 --> 00:58:47.639
And even though the Daleks are in silver, so they're reflecting what's around them, they still stand out.

1181
00:58:48.239 --> 00:58:49.920
Yeah, me too.

1182
00:58:49.980 --> 00:58:51.480
I like Galloway a lot.

1183
00:58:51.539 --> 00:58:53.099
He's so pithy and cranky.

1184
00:58:53.159 --> 00:58:54.059
You might as well be Welsh.

1185
00:58:57.179 --> 00:58:58.980
Duncan Lamont, of course.

1186
00:58:59.460 --> 00:59:03.300
Which is why the, there was that leak.

1187
00:59:03.300 --> 00:59:05.219
The Phantom leak, somewhat.

1188
00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:07.320
Yeah, the leak is in McGuffin, isn't it?

1189
00:59:07.380 --> 00:59:11.519
I think it has a much stronger influence on the plot than we've so far realised.

1190
00:59:11.579 --> 00:59:13.800
I think it might be the beginning of an arc for the season.

1191
00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:18.360
Gosh, it is a Federation man.

1192
00:59:18.360 --> 00:59:25.440
Speaking of Federation badges, Duncan Lamont was cast and started filming the Blake 7 episode hostage.

1193
00:59:26.400 --> 00:59:31.619
But he died during production was replaced by John Abeniri. going to rush.

1194
00:59:32.460 --> 00:59:36.000
Truly, truly terrible episode of Blake Seven.

1195
00:59:36.059 --> 00:59:36.960
Shockingly bad.

1196
00:59:37.019 --> 00:59:40.139
He's he's most...

1197
00:59:40.199 --> 00:59:40.739
Oh, there they are.

1198
00:59:40.739 --> 00:59:46.260
He's most famous as the original Victor Caroon in the original Quaitamas experiment.

1199
00:59:46.559 --> 00:59:50.400
Except for any of us who've never seen that, but, yeah.

1200
00:59:50.400 --> 00:59:52.500
Have you watched the Coda Mass experiment?

1201
00:59:52.559 --> 00:59:54.539
Well, the 1st episode is all that exists.

1202
00:59:54.780 --> 00:59:57.960
Oh, well, it's pro- it's proto-do.

1203
00:59:58.019 --> 00:59:58.800
It's 50, yeah.

1204
00:59:59.099 --> 01:00:00.000
The 60s ones are good.

1205
01:00:01.079 --> 01:00:03.360
It's really dark isn't it?

1206
01:00:03.420 --> 01:00:06.300
It is really dark and I do have the brightness.

1207
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:25.139
And yeah, I love these, you know, Michael E. Bryant as someone who says, you know, with with monsters, he took the sort of Terence Dick's approach of, you know, don't don't film them always in long shot, film close-ups of them, gun arms twitching and eyes and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

1208
01:00:25.260 --> 01:00:28.079
And we just had that in that scene when the Dalek starts talking.

1209
01:00:28.139 --> 01:00:32.579
We're not looking at its at its ears, which are the talking indicator.

1210
01:00:32.639 --> 01:00:35.760
We're looking at it's gun twitching away because it wants to bloody murder something.

1211
01:00:36.420 --> 01:00:40.380
And now we get an info dump, but it's charming because it's from Balal.

1212
01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:48.480
It's so charming It's a, it's a bit like the, the colony in space backstory though, isn't it?

1213
01:00:48.539 --> 01:00:52.440
Like a degenerate race of primitives that used to have a advanced technology.

1214
01:00:52.500 --> 01:00:57.059
But, you know, instead of it being mansplained by the doctor.

1215
01:00:57.119 --> 01:00:59.880
It's actually being told by some of the indigenous life forms.

1216
01:00:59.940 --> 01:01:06.599
No, I would have liked to see Pertwee explain his ways through some hieroglyphs in order to get all this information.

1217
01:01:06.659 --> 01:01:08.880
Oh well, you've got all that to look forward to.

1218
01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:13.619
Including, actually, I just remembered foreshadowing do listener.

1219
01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:17.460
This particular episode has one of the most bizarre Doctor Who Cliffhangers.

1220
01:01:17.519 --> 01:01:19.800
I think the worst Doctor Who, please hang on.

1221
01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:25.800
Walking is all that's required for now.

1222
01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:27.599
Yeah, suppose.

1223
01:01:27.659 --> 01:01:29.519
But that wasn't intentional, was it?

1224
01:01:29.579 --> 01:01:30.300
No, that's true.

1225
01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:31.980
Well, it was chosen by the BBC.

1226
01:01:33.239 --> 01:01:35.219
Where's he going now?

1227
01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:41.159
He really has spectacular hair for a man his age, doesn't he?

1228
01:01:41.219 --> 01:01:42.000
Yeah, yeah.

1229
01:01:42.059 --> 01:01:43.260
I mean, Bilal looks amazing.

1230
01:01:43.320 --> 01:01:45.840
That's how that's how I do my hair.

1231
01:01:47.099 --> 01:01:49.260
I do my eyes that way.

1232
01:01:52.860 --> 01:01:55.559
Yeah, John, yeah, John.

1233
01:01:55.559 --> 01:01:59.159
God, she just sells it with those little smiles and looks.

1234
01:01:59.219 --> 01:02:08.340
The reason we have a paint job, apparently, is that Michael Bryant didn't realise and had them repainted as he'd seen them in the Trouton, and Billy stories.

1235
01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:08.940
They were blue.

1236
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:09.599
Oh, yes.

1237
01:02:09.599 --> 01:02:10.320
Silver, black.

1238
01:02:10.380 --> 01:02:11.699
And they cooked his all for it. going to work.

1239
01:02:11.760 --> 01:02:12.360
No, no, no.

1240
01:02:12.420 --> 01:02:15.780
They're too they're too cute and pretty, so they were done in the black and silver quickly.

1241
01:02:15.840 --> 01:02:18.840
Which, look, they look properly menacing.

1242
01:02:18.900 --> 01:02:25.019
And I think he's even given them new slats because...

1243
01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:27.179
They're not see-through, are they?

1244
01:02:27.239 --> 01:02:27.960
No.

1245
01:02:28.019 --> 01:02:35.579
Oh, well, you know, the midsection always has that wonderful gauze, which, unless you light it badly, appears opaque.

1246
01:02:36.179 --> 01:02:40.320
I think even in Genesis, you start to see like some little heads in there.

1247
01:02:40.380 --> 01:02:41.099
It's true.

1248
01:02:41.159 --> 01:02:45.000
Well, you ask yourself how you'd feel if you were being assaulted by excellence.

1249
01:02:45.059 --> 01:02:45.599
I mean, really.

1250
01:02:45.659 --> 01:02:47.460
Grabbed by the brain?

1251
01:02:47.519 --> 01:02:49.679
Yes. self-destruct immediately.

1252
01:02:49.739 --> 01:02:50.880
Salted by your excellence.

1253
01:02:50.940 --> 01:02:53.519
Imagine actually filming that rumbling secret.

1254
01:02:53.519 --> 01:02:54.119
Rumbling boot.

1255
01:02:54.179 --> 01:02:55.079
Oh, this is my favourite.

1256
01:02:56.340 --> 01:02:58.139
Get out of the water.

1257
01:02:58.199 --> 01:02:59.400
Get out of the water.

1258
01:03:00.420 --> 01:03:05.460
It does feel like a really horrible cheap British day spa holiday, doesn't it?

1259
01:03:06.059 --> 01:03:08.699
Oh, no, I've gone too deep.

1260
01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:10.079
Oh, this is wondering.

1261
01:03:10.139 --> 01:03:11.280
Oh, it's raining.

1262
01:03:11.340 --> 01:03:13.380
Oh, oh, oh, oh.

1263
01:03:13.440 --> 01:03:16.739
I think his seawater defences were a bit lacking on this one.

1264
01:03:18.360 --> 01:03:20.519
Oh, it's not going to go well.

1265
01:03:20.579 --> 01:03:26.219
Yeah, they've kind they've got a horizontal wire and a vertical wire. vertical wise, horribly visible.

1266
01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:27.599
I don't think I've ever noticed it.

1267
01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:33.539
Oh, well, you see, that's part of the problem in getting these cleaned up for DVD.

1268
01:03:34.320 --> 01:03:36.480
Is that Terry Walsh?

1269
01:03:36.539 --> 01:03:37.260
Terry Walsh?

1270
01:03:37.260 --> 01:03:37.619
That's fine.

1271
01:03:37.679 --> 01:03:38.760
Probably Terry Walsh on fire.

1272
01:03:38.820 --> 01:03:40.380
Stuff they made the costumes out of it.

1273
01:03:40.440 --> 01:03:41.880
Incredibly flammable.

1274
01:03:41.940 --> 01:03:46.559
So that probably just happened on this. standing to near the radio.

1275
01:03:46.619 --> 01:03:50.159
They're actually just lucky that the camera was turning over, really.

1276
01:03:51.119 --> 01:03:53.639
Oh, that's gorgeous.

1277
01:03:53.699 --> 01:03:55.019
Yeah, that's something else.

1278
01:03:55.079 --> 01:03:56.159
I think like back projection.

1279
01:03:56.159 --> 01:03:59.340
Yeah, that's like optical.

1280
01:03:59.460 --> 01:04:00.300
Yeah, that's really gonna work.

1281
01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:02.280
And now...

1282
01:04:02.340 --> 01:04:03.179
Yeah, go on, get it.

1283
01:04:03.300 --> 01:04:05.159
Oh, that's awesome.

1284
01:04:05.219 --> 01:04:08.219
Look at the thing collapse. tremendous. beautiful.

1285
01:04:08.219 --> 01:04:09.480
Yay.

1286
01:04:09.539 --> 01:04:13.440
There's like they've done so much to the location.

1287
01:04:13.500 --> 01:04:17.340
There's so many extras they've brought like a few wheelbarrows out.

1288
01:04:17.400 --> 01:04:22.320
You know, they've got a root and some some barrels and things. like I really like it.

1289
01:04:22.380 --> 01:04:26.219
I think they've gone to a lot of effort and you get a real sense of what that space is like.

1290
01:04:26.280 --> 01:04:27.480
Yes, yeah.

1291
01:04:27.539 --> 01:04:28.679
Yes, you do.

1292
01:04:28.739 --> 01:04:29.940
Oh, what's good?

1293
01:04:29.940 --> 01:04:30.539
Oh, I know.

1294
01:04:30.599 --> 01:04:32.340
Because later...

1295
01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:33.360
Oh, I've seen these films.

1296
01:04:33.420 --> 01:04:34.800
What happens next?

1297
01:04:34.980 --> 01:04:46.440
In um, in Destiny of the Daleks, there's some quite good quarry work in that, but because it's so sparse and sparsely populated, it's not as effective as this.

1298
01:04:46.500 --> 01:04:55.440
And I would argue that with all the um, the extras playing Dalek prisoners, there's at least as many people, but it's not shot as tightly as this is.

1299
01:04:58.559 --> 01:05:02.159
Yeah, and and now we've got this chariots of the god stuff coming in.

1300
01:05:02.519 --> 01:05:05.460
A bit of education here. kids.

1301
01:05:05.519 --> 01:05:14.340
Well, it is a, it's kind of a theme of the 70s probably ever since the demons, isn't it, that human society's been shaped by aliens.

1302
01:05:14.400 --> 01:05:20.880
Yeah, which is the Vondanic and Chariots, the Blonze thing, which actually goes back, again, Theosophist.

1303
01:05:20.940 --> 01:05:27.000
It's a really nice period in the program's history that is really diving into literary conceits.

1304
01:05:27.659 --> 01:05:30.119
The mockers on the TARDIS.

1305
01:05:30.179 --> 01:05:32.340
That's a great name for a band, is it?

1306
01:05:32.940 --> 01:05:46.920
Yeah, well, I think Liz Layden did say in later years that even though she didn't play it with her Liverpool accent, that she did try to sneak in Liverpool.

1307
01:05:46.920 --> 01:05:49.019
She threw in, could murder a cup of tea in time.

1308
01:05:49.079 --> 01:05:50.940
Yeah, we all remember that.

1309
01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:51.480
Yeah.

1310
01:05:52.320 --> 01:05:54.059
Good problem and they have a little joke.

1311
01:05:54.119 --> 01:05:55.440
I love that smile.

1312
01:05:55.500 --> 01:05:56.340
It's great.

1313
01:05:57.000 --> 01:06:05.639
No, but I'm Richard, I'm definitely seeing Mary Tyler Moore in her performance. in Sarah's performance, especially the panickiness.

1314
01:06:05.940 --> 01:06:07.679
I don't know.

1315
01:06:07.739 --> 01:06:12.480
I mean, she's rep in theatre, so it's possible she did, they, they didn't watch a lot of TV, though.

1316
01:06:12.480 --> 01:06:13.860
That's true, because they were.

1317
01:06:13.920 --> 01:06:19.619
So it could actually just be the styling of the time and you might be looking again at bigger films.

1318
01:06:19.679 --> 01:06:21.300
Yeah that's true.

1319
01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:22.380
Although...

1320
01:06:22.380 --> 01:06:26.039
I really like that tube.

1321
01:06:26.099 --> 01:06:27.599
That is so good, isn't it?

1322
01:06:27.659 --> 01:06:28.800
The point of view tube.

1323
01:06:28.860 --> 01:06:30.480
Yeah, the Dalek point of YouTube.

1324
01:06:30.539 --> 01:06:31.320
It's really great.

1325
01:06:31.380 --> 01:06:34.019
No electronic compositing or effects node.

1326
01:06:34.079 --> 01:06:35.460
Just a practical effect.

1327
01:06:35.519 --> 01:06:38.340
Also, you get a sense of the claustrophobia of the Dalek.

1328
01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:44.280
I think the only point of view Dalek point of view thing we've seen before is in power of the Daleks, is that right?

1329
01:06:44.340 --> 01:06:46.619
Well, I don't know if, is that in the original?

1330
01:06:46.679 --> 01:06:47.940
It is.

1331
01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:49.739
Yeah, there's some tele snaps of it.

1332
01:06:49.860 --> 01:06:53.340
Yeah, but it's just like a black circle.

1333
01:06:53.400 --> 01:06:53.940
Yeah, yeah.

1334
01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:57.780
Um, there was some in Hartnell stories as well.

1335
01:06:57.840 --> 01:06:58.440
Okay.

1336
01:06:58.440 --> 01:06:58.739
Yeah.

1337
01:06:58.800 --> 01:07:07.679
Well, um, actually, no, we, well, we kind of get a perspective shop, but not with a ring around it when we approach Barbara with the plug and jump.

1338
01:07:07.739 --> 01:07:09.780
That's more like the plunger comes up into shock.

1339
01:07:09.900 --> 01:07:10.440
Yeah.

1340
01:07:10.500 --> 01:07:12.480
Quiet darlic point of view.

1341
01:07:12.539 --> 01:07:14.039
Nice shot.

1342
01:07:14.099 --> 01:07:14.820
A ray.

1343
01:07:14.820 --> 01:07:15.480
Mm-hmm.

1344
01:07:15.900 --> 01:07:22.559
Yeah, I don't know what they're doing to avoid so much fringing, but maybe they're not shooting John's head in it.

1345
01:07:22.619 --> 01:07:23.699
Well, they're using yellow.

1346
01:07:23.699 --> 01:07:27.059
And they're also using amber lights. 700, what does the universe?

1347
01:07:27.119 --> 01:07:27.780
Yay.

1348
01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:29.340
Yes, it is.

1349
01:07:29.639 --> 01:07:33.300
Have you been feeling up alien cities without my permission?

1350
01:07:33.360 --> 01:07:35.699
Now, this is beautiful this moment.

1351
01:07:35.760 --> 01:07:38.280
Something fine and important for you to do.

1352
01:07:40.559 --> 01:07:43.980
Because he is actually giving her an important job to do.

1353
01:07:43.980 --> 01:07:47.940
And he's sending her away for her safety, you know.

1354
01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:49.320
She's up, what?

1355
01:07:49.380 --> 01:07:55.860
He's doing he's doing exactly what she's saying he's doing, but also he's saying no, you know, there is something you can be doing.

1356
01:07:55.980 --> 01:08:02.579
And he's about to turn and go and then he's going to come back and do something, which puts a lump in my throat every time.

1357
01:08:03.179 --> 01:08:05.519
You know, that's not for here.

1358
01:08:06.780 --> 01:08:10.619
This is a conversation he could never have had with Joe as well.

1359
01:08:10.679 --> 01:08:13.559
It's a new thing that Sarah is bringing to the table.

1360
01:08:13.619 --> 01:08:15.059
Yeah, intelligence, yeah.

1361
01:08:15.719 --> 01:08:19.680
Show is super competent and terribly intelligent.

1362
01:08:19.979 --> 01:08:21.600
Here it comes.

1363
01:08:21.720 --> 01:08:22.500
Here it comes.

1364
01:08:22.560 --> 01:08:29.579
Like, this is the moment that defines the 3rd doctor in Sarah's relationship. stroking, yeah.

1365
01:08:29.579 --> 01:08:36.239
Oh, I saw you just put that finger.

1366
01:08:36.300 --> 01:08:38.819
Don't be...

1367
01:08:39.180 --> 01:08:41.159
Yeah, that was quite sweet.

1368
01:08:41.220 --> 01:08:44.340
And I'm just going to grab your throat in case you didn't get the point.

1369
01:08:44.399 --> 01:08:46.199
But that was quite lovely.

1370
01:08:46.260 --> 01:08:47.760
I can't see a deer.

1371
01:08:47.760 --> 01:08:48.539
That's really good shit.

1372
01:08:48.600 --> 01:08:50.220
It actually was a, isn't that beautiful?

1373
01:08:50.279 --> 01:08:52.920
But yeah, that was a thank you for putting that up.

1374
01:08:52.979 --> 01:08:56.460
It was a lovely piece of acting between some...

1375
01:08:56.699 --> 01:08:59.279
And and it's mostly on Liz.

1376
01:08:59.279 --> 01:09:00.720
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1377
01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:06.359
When, uh, straight after he says, you must go, then the, the shot then lingers on Liz and stays on her.

1378
01:09:06.359 --> 01:09:17.340
And it's, it's the thing that Russell brings when he brings back the new series of telling the emotional story of Doctor Who through the eyes of the companion.

1379
01:09:17.579 --> 01:09:24.420
And it's something that arguably wasn't as prominent before Sarah.

1380
01:09:24.479 --> 01:09:31.979
You know, I think I think Joe and Victoria and Barbara all had it to an extent, but I think it comes to the fore really with Sarah.

1381
01:09:35.100 --> 01:09:36.600
Top sensitiser.

1382
01:09:36.600 --> 01:09:39.119
So they've invented touchscreens, the excellence.

1383
01:09:39.180 --> 01:09:40.199
It's nice, isn't it?

1384
01:09:40.260 --> 01:09:41.100
Multi-touch?

1385
01:09:41.159 --> 01:09:43.079
I believe they are multi-touch.

1386
01:09:43.140 --> 01:09:45.659
I think we do see the doctor touching it twice.

1387
01:09:49.020 --> 01:09:50.699
Thor Rex.

1388
01:09:50.760 --> 01:09:53.159
Have I said peranium again recently?

1389
01:09:53.819 --> 01:09:57.180
This is why he would have made a delightful companion.

1390
01:09:57.239 --> 01:09:59.460
I think I have read this before.

1391
01:09:59.520 --> 01:10:13.020
It was in Doctor Who magazine, and it could have been Robert Holmes just being cheeky in the way that he does take the maturation out of everybody, but he was home saying, you know, why don't we just ask, well, our character took PB.

1392
01:10:13.079 --> 01:10:16.439
I sure it was never taken seriously, but you can see where he's coming from.

1393
01:10:16.500 --> 01:10:22.140
I mean, you could do it now because you could have some sort of, like, cloaking device sort of projection thing over.

1394
01:10:22.199 --> 01:10:23.939
I guess now doll is a bit like that.

1395
01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:25.739
I, this is...

1396
01:10:25.739 --> 01:10:28.560
I prefer him to not, no do's, whatever his name is.

1397
01:10:28.619 --> 01:10:31.560
This was the original Cliffhanger. for this episode.

1398
01:10:31.619 --> 01:10:33.180
She must have been running very short.

1399
01:10:33.239 --> 01:10:34.020
It was.

1400
01:10:34.079 --> 01:10:37.680
And I don't know exactly why it was running short, but yeah.

1401
01:10:37.739 --> 01:10:39.720
It's a good cliffhanger too.

1402
01:10:39.779 --> 01:10:40.560
Pop, pop, pop.

1403
01:10:40.619 --> 01:10:45.960
Apparently the poor actors inside were going deaf, because those guns were so loud inside the costumes. yeah.

1404
01:10:47.100 --> 01:10:53.279
Um, I believe also this was another one of those moments where during filming they came around.

1405
01:10:53.399 --> 01:10:58.800
They came around the corner and had to be saying exterminate, exterminate, exterminate, and then, of course, John wasn't there.

1406
01:10:58.859 --> 01:10:59.880
Oh, bugger, lost.

1407
01:11:01.979 --> 01:11:06.899
Yeah, we've got the um, the, the Blake 7 skeleton gallery.

1408
01:11:06.960 --> 01:11:10.560
Well, I liked the skeleton in the foreground of that previous shot.

1409
01:11:11.520 --> 01:11:13.859
Oh, I love this trap room.

1410
01:11:15.659 --> 01:11:18.720
Do we know what happened to Arnold Yarrow?

1411
01:11:18.960 --> 01:11:20.939
Whom we are watching right now?

1412
01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:26.819
He was still he was still around when the DVD came out because he's on the making of talking about the wonderful time he had making it.

1413
01:11:26.880 --> 01:11:29.340
Didn't he make it, didn't he always make it to 100?

1414
01:11:29.399 --> 01:11:30.840
I think he died a few years ago.

1415
01:11:30.899 --> 01:11:32.579
He's lovely.

1416
01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:34.920
I know he, we left, he retired from acting.

1417
01:11:35.039 --> 01:11:38.279
No, he did, and he was a script editor for years.

1418
01:11:38.340 --> 01:11:43.260
I remember that because again, he was interviewed in DWM, but he so he lived a long time.

1419
01:11:43.319 --> 01:11:44.939
I hate to think any of these people are dead.

1420
01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:49.020
I don't know what you mean Well, Joey Harrison is, unfortunately, here with us, isn't she?

1421
01:11:49.079 --> 01:11:49.560
No.

1422
01:11:49.619 --> 01:11:50.220
Oh, stop it.

1423
01:11:50.399 --> 01:11:54.659
I don't want to play this game because it turns out a lot of people I like are not here anymore.

1424
01:11:54.720 --> 01:11:57.359
Okay, Arnold's what Tom Baker says.

1425
01:11:57.420 --> 01:12:00.659
The television is the living being entertained by the dead.

1426
01:12:00.779 --> 01:12:04.619
Arnold Yarrow is 97 and still with us, apparently.

1427
01:12:04.680 --> 01:12:06.300
I knew it was ancient.

1428
01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:10.979
Actually, let me check that about Joy Stewart.

1429
01:12:11.039 --> 01:12:12.000
She may still be with us.

1430
01:12:12.359 --> 01:12:17.520
I love this, um, like, maze thing that... go through.

1431
01:12:17.579 --> 01:12:19.739
And, of course, how does the darling tour?

1432
01:12:19.859 --> 01:12:23.220
Yeah, it's the same way he makes little cardboard models of the card.

1433
01:12:23.279 --> 01:12:26.699
Joy Harrison really squeeze his sucker right up.

1434
01:12:26.760 --> 01:12:28.380
I pity them.

1435
01:12:28.380 --> 01:12:37.439
The poor excellence who got into here and were by themselves because you couldn't, you need 2 people, want to hold, put their hand in the other to trace, I guess.

1436
01:12:37.500 --> 01:12:39.539
Oh, Joy Harrison is still with us.

1437
01:12:39.659 --> 01:12:41.579
Oh, that's right.

1438
01:12:41.640 --> 01:12:49.800
She's on the DVD, but um, I believe she's on the commentary, but it's pre-recorded bits.

1439
01:12:49.859 --> 01:12:52.020
She couldn't actually come into the studio.

1440
01:12:52.079 --> 01:12:56.220
So I think because she still had the bruises from John New.

1441
01:12:59.279 --> 01:13:00.779
Did you know those guys?

1442
01:13:00.840 --> 01:13:02.699
Sorry, I had to go back to the Dalek guns when you see them.

1443
01:13:02.760 --> 01:13:07.380
They're actually proper guns firing blanks, which is why they sound so terrible.

1444
01:13:07.439 --> 01:13:08.220
Yeah, yeah.

1445
01:13:08.220 --> 01:13:09.180
They're guns.

1446
01:13:09.239 --> 01:13:10.920
But they made old BBC.

1447
01:13:10.979 --> 01:13:17.579
You know how sometimes the video cameras are affected by the sound of guns firing, and you get the coffee stripes along the picture.

1448
01:13:17.640 --> 01:13:19.500
Like you do get that here. wonderful.

1449
01:13:19.619 --> 01:13:20.520
Yeah, yeah.

1450
01:13:20.579 --> 01:13:21.539
Why would they do that?

1451
01:13:21.600 --> 01:13:25.800
They're firing real blanks, which still can still injure prop...

1452
01:13:25.859 --> 01:13:29.579
Oh, I know why it's to keep the BBC union boys in check, isn't it?

1453
01:13:30.899 --> 01:13:32.279
want to do something.

1454
01:13:32.340 --> 01:13:33.899
Isn't this a gorgeous city, Todd?

1455
01:13:33.960 --> 01:13:36.300
This just works. doesn't it?

1456
01:13:36.420 --> 01:13:38.039
And again, you're getting a story within a story.

1457
01:13:38.159 --> 01:13:39.420
I think it does work.

1458
01:13:39.479 --> 01:13:40.979
It's very clean Yeah.

1459
01:13:40.979 --> 01:13:43.920
Our mother would be proud to be, yes.

1460
01:13:44.220 --> 01:13:45.600
Really?

1461
01:13:45.659 --> 01:13:51.960
So if you went to a restaurant and they were just sort of one or 2 corpses in the in the dining room, you'd still give it sort of 3 or 4 stars.

1462
01:13:52.079 --> 01:13:53.220
You'd say it's mostly clean.

1463
01:13:53.279 --> 01:13:55.079
We're here right now, aren't we?

1464
01:13:55.140 --> 01:13:57.960
The fact that it doesn't like other entities in it.

1465
01:13:58.020 --> 01:14:02.399
You'd think that these skeletons would have just turned to dust or they would have got rid of it.

1466
01:14:02.460 --> 01:14:05.579
The static electricity backup dust at the same time.

1467
01:14:05.579 --> 01:14:08.520
I think the Daleks are innately clean creatures.

1468
01:14:08.579 --> 01:14:09.720
Hold on to you.

1469
01:14:10.020 --> 01:14:13.500
Horses, people, because there's a cliffhanger coming.

1470
01:14:13.560 --> 01:14:15.180
That's some scariest one of all time.

1471
01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:16.619
It was so good.

1472
01:14:16.680 --> 01:14:18.479
Terrence used it again.

1473
01:14:20.279 --> 01:14:24.779
Fairly ominous floor covering. of tomb.

1474
01:14:28.140 --> 01:14:29.880
You're right, though.

1475
01:14:29.939 --> 01:14:33.479
It should have been cut and just allowed to run short because it would have been so exciting.

1476
01:14:33.539 --> 01:14:35.640
Dun, dun, dun.

1477
01:14:36.720 --> 01:14:38.819
Oh, yeah, I know.

1478
01:14:38.939 --> 01:14:40.380
I never got good as a kid.

1479
01:14:40.439 --> 01:14:42.060
Why are they stopping over that?

1480
01:14:42.060 --> 01:14:44.340
I think back in the day.

1481
01:14:44.399 --> 01:14:48.000
I think it was Rob Sheman who said maybe the doctor's just scared of rugs.

1482
01:14:48.060 --> 01:14:49.680
Could be a thing.

1483
01:14:49.739 --> 01:14:51.180
It's a proper phobia.

1484
01:14:51.239 --> 01:14:52.439
It's a DSM four.

1485
01:14:52.979 --> 01:14:56.100
Rugby, there he is.

1486
01:14:56.100 --> 01:14:57.239
Go Tal.

1487
01:14:57.300 --> 01:15:01.859
Yeah, we didn't see the Bilal and Gotal spinoff where you're longed for, did we?

1488
01:15:02.760 --> 01:15:04.319
No.

1489
01:15:04.439 --> 01:15:08.640
I mean, they're going to have discussion topics like, you know, um, Dalek mining.

1490
01:15:08.699 --> 01:15:10.979
Is it a health hazard or a great diet plan?

1491
01:15:11.039 --> 01:15:14.460
On the intensive late night news chat show, yes.

1492
01:15:14.520 --> 01:15:15.960
Can we have a round?

1493
01:15:15.960 --> 01:15:16.680
Just like a late line.

1494
01:15:16.739 --> 01:15:19.199
Can we have a round of applause for the London saxophone quartet?

1495
01:15:19.560 --> 01:15:26.220
And Michael Bryant for using them again, because you use them, of course, on what was the Revenge of the Cybermen.

1496
01:15:26.279 --> 01:15:31.979
Yeah, he will later on. haven't we had, haven't we had Mr. Blighton previously on the Salu Rings?

1497
01:15:32.039 --> 01:15:33.420
You know, I just like to say...

1498
01:15:33.420 --> 01:15:35.880
No, but he was using a kazoo, wasn't he mostly?

1499
01:15:35.939 --> 01:15:37.560
Ancient instrument.

1500
01:15:37.619 --> 01:15:41.640
I'd like to say that I really, really like this opening title sequence.

1501
01:15:42.119 --> 01:15:46.079
I've never really appreciate...

1502
01:15:46.079 --> 01:15:47.399
You know, I can hear that as often.

1503
01:15:47.460 --> 01:15:53.699
I'm going to go home and watch this again in the comfort and privacy of my own video lounge and just immerse myself in it.

1504
01:15:53.760 --> 01:15:55.859
Play with my cool action dollies.

1505
01:15:55.920 --> 01:15:57.180
Here it is.

1506
01:15:57.239 --> 01:15:58.979
I thought you were going to say peranium.

1507
01:15:59.039 --> 01:16:01.079
Well, that goes without saying.

1508
01:16:01.199 --> 01:16:06.840
No, I have started building the console room again from the 5.5 inch figures. get photos when I finally get there.

1509
01:16:07.260 --> 01:16:09.720
He makes such a great companion.

1510
01:16:09.779 --> 01:16:11.520
Thank you for pointing that out.

1511
01:16:11.579 --> 01:16:12.300
I think so.

1512
01:16:12.359 --> 01:16:15.659
I think he would be And do you fear an empty room?

1513
01:16:15.720 --> 01:16:16.739
It could carry it off.

1514
01:16:16.800 --> 01:16:19.380
Just for another story or two, just to the end.

1515
01:16:19.439 --> 01:16:20.939
Do you think Petry does this better than Handel?

1516
01:16:21.000 --> 01:16:22.079
Oh, yes.

1517
01:16:22.079 --> 01:16:24.479
I was expecting him to go 3.141.

1518
01:16:24.479 --> 01:16:26.340
265.

1519
01:16:26.520 --> 01:16:36.899
I just love how the original broadcast version of the 5 doctors uses, I believe, Herndel getting pie slightly wrong.

1520
01:16:36.960 --> 01:16:42.840
So for the special edition, they changed it to a take where Herndel gets the figure for pie completely wrong.

1521
01:16:42.960 --> 01:16:44.520
Brilliant.

1522
01:16:44.579 --> 01:16:45.119
Yeah, yeah.

1523
01:16:45.180 --> 01:16:46.439
No, there's a rounding error.

1524
01:16:46.500 --> 01:16:48.720
I think it's 539 or something.

1525
01:16:48.779 --> 01:16:51.720
So, yeah.

1526
01:16:51.779 --> 01:17:00.960
Before you start saying naughty things about Curry Blyton, he was actually a big coup and there were press releases at the time saying, because he was the, I think he was a Guildhall musician.

1527
01:17:01.020 --> 01:17:05.579
But he cited another stuff when I did big music at school.

1528
01:17:05.640 --> 01:17:09.899
At least actually goes on to bigger things.

1529
01:17:09.960 --> 01:17:16.920
No, who doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he actually gets inside the squares and not just wandering across.

1530
01:17:16.979 --> 01:17:18.779
Yes, like...

1531
01:17:18.840 --> 01:17:21.840
You know when you go along the pavement as a kid and you don't want to step on the cracks.

1532
01:17:21.899 --> 01:17:23.340
Like, it's like, you know, yes.

1533
01:17:23.399 --> 01:17:27.060
That's why Richard Herndl's later cleaning business didn't do very well at all.

1534
01:17:27.119 --> 01:17:28.439
Uncheated by that.

1535
01:17:28.500 --> 01:17:36.659
We should have seen those daleks do that friggin' maze. always annoys me. maze is horrifically easy as well.

1536
01:17:36.720 --> 01:17:42.840
Yeah, he still seems to be perplexed when there's a very straight kind of, he has to go round one corner and it's at the end.

1537
01:17:42.899 --> 01:17:43.979
It's kind of...

1538
01:17:43.979 --> 01:17:46.020
How dumb are those?

1539
01:17:46.020 --> 01:17:46.439
Yeah.

1540
01:17:46.439 --> 01:17:47.880
How stupid are those helators?

1541
01:17:47.939 --> 01:17:48.479
This is lovely.

1542
01:17:48.539 --> 01:17:49.859
Come on, come on, come on.

1543
01:17:50.399 --> 01:17:52.439
I mean, God, Arnold.

1544
01:17:52.439 --> 01:17:53.340
Yarrow is tiny.

1545
01:17:53.399 --> 01:17:54.420
He's probably shorter than me.

1546
01:17:54.479 --> 01:17:56.699
It's not possible. disappeared.

1547
01:17:57.420 --> 01:17:59.579
But his little friend, go tell, was even shorter than him.

1548
01:17:59.640 --> 01:18:00.539
Yeah, I know, I know.

1549
01:18:00.600 --> 01:18:01.619
They would have made great Daleks.

1550
01:18:02.699 --> 01:18:07.800
You would have had to chop one of their arms off, I think, to get them on a bowel, probably.

1551
01:18:08.640 --> 01:18:10.319
Oh, here we go.

1552
01:18:10.319 --> 01:18:10.979
Jubilee.

1553
01:18:11.279 --> 01:18:16.800
And yeah, yeah, Terrence just nicks this entirely for the 5 doctors.

1554
01:18:16.859 --> 01:18:22.979
Well, the entire thing, you know, like a series of sort of stupid traps to prevent you from getting into the city.

1555
01:18:23.039 --> 01:18:25.260
It is just a delaying tactic.

1556
01:18:25.319 --> 01:18:26.399
There's no...

1557
01:18:26.460 --> 01:18:29.039
But it is a, it is actually, um, a try to haggard.

1558
01:18:29.100 --> 01:18:31.800
Yeah, so it's not even original to doctor.

1559
01:18:31.920 --> 01:18:35.039
King Solomon's one. are the pleasures they have in store for us.

1560
01:18:35.039 --> 01:18:39.960
But they found these are the cities that were found in the middle of African jungles.

1561
01:18:40.020 --> 01:18:44.760
And there was a whole debate, well, early 20th century, but, you know, this is what these writers grew up on.

1562
01:18:44.819 --> 01:18:48.659
But the questions of who could have built this because you have the attrition.

1563
01:18:48.720 --> 01:18:58.319
And it was where the understanding properly came into archeology, that civilisations are entirely prone to that 2nd law of the my dynamics.

1564
01:18:58.380 --> 01:19:02.760
They're always quoting at parties, which is why we have as many friends as we have.

1565
01:19:03.060 --> 01:19:13.439
But yeah, yeah, that they actually did believe that the people came from the north to build these enormous African cities, but of course they're not wearing pith helmets and they didn't go to nice schools.

1566
01:19:13.500 --> 01:19:14.460
They couldn't have done it themselves.

1567
01:19:14.520 --> 01:19:16.560
It's Todd's favourite beach.

1568
01:19:16.619 --> 01:19:18.000
I find them doing it.

1569
01:19:18.060 --> 01:19:19.079
I find this hilarious.

1570
01:19:19.140 --> 01:19:21.060
Like the Daleks response too.

1571
01:19:21.119 --> 01:19:23.279
Oh, my mate got electric. going to shoot at the thing.

1572
01:19:23.340 --> 01:19:24.539
She's the bugger off.

1573
01:19:24.600 --> 01:19:26.399
You think Daleks are Australian?

1574
01:19:28.199 --> 01:19:33.000
Uh...

1575
01:19:33.000 --> 01:19:33.899
I would really have heard.

1576
01:19:33.960 --> 01:19:35.279
It's not even over 9000.

1577
01:19:40.199 --> 01:19:43.140
It's this proper 60s Stalic stories.

1578
01:19:43.199 --> 01:19:44.880
I like this way to observe.

1579
01:19:44.939 --> 01:19:46.560
The Darlings actually get dialogue.

1580
01:19:46.619 --> 01:19:51.960
You know, they don't have Davros to give all of the dialogue too, so that the Daleks can just say cyclocate exterminator.

1581
01:19:52.020 --> 01:19:52.739
Interesting you say that.

1582
01:19:52.800 --> 01:19:55.140
I meant thought of Davros once in this story.

1583
01:19:56.100 --> 01:19:57.960
That's what was different.

1584
01:19:58.020 --> 01:19:59.520
I can think this is different.

1585
01:19:59.579 --> 01:20:00.600
Why the diet's talking so much?

1586
01:20:00.600 --> 01:20:01.619
because Davros isn't in it.

1587
01:20:01.680 --> 01:20:05.699
They're actually interesting in their own account and they were for quite a considerable time.

1588
01:20:05.760 --> 01:20:09.359
It's an empty room just in case you didn't notice.

1589
01:20:09.420 --> 01:20:11.159
The BBC execs love these bits.

1590
01:20:11.279 --> 01:20:15.840
It's very telling that over at Big Finish for their 1st 4 years.

1591
01:20:16.079 --> 01:20:19.020
Not only did they not have the rights for Deveros.

1592
01:20:19.079 --> 01:20:23.100
They didn't seek the rights for Davros until they really wanted to use him.

1593
01:20:23.159 --> 01:20:25.739
And so in that 1st 4 years, they made Dalek Empire.

1594
01:20:25.800 --> 01:20:31.020
They made lots of Dalek stories, specifically focussing on, no, you can make a Dalek story without Daros.

1595
01:20:31.079 --> 01:20:38.460
And then when they bring Davros in, they do Davros, which doesn't feature the Daleks, and I Davros, which doesn't feature the Daleks.

1596
01:20:38.520 --> 01:20:45.060
So they explored both Daleks and Davros and proved, yes, you can do interesting dialogue with them, Mr. Saywood.

1597
01:20:45.119 --> 01:20:47.640
Well, I mean, Russell did the same thing.

1598
01:20:47.699 --> 01:20:51.899
You know, it's it's not until the end of what, season four.

1599
01:20:51.899 --> 01:20:52.500
Yeah, absolutely.

1600
01:20:52.500 --> 01:20:54.060
That we get...

1601
01:20:54.119 --> 01:20:55.500
I love all this.

1602
01:20:55.560 --> 01:20:59.819
The fact that the girls are together and actually, you know, they're going to sort out.

1603
01:20:59.819 --> 01:21:01.380
Leading the resistance, it's great.

1604
01:21:01.439 --> 01:21:03.060
This mineral mining thing.

1605
01:21:03.180 --> 01:21:04.680
Passing the Bechdel test.

1606
01:21:04.739 --> 01:21:05.939
Yeah, absolutely.

1607
01:21:06.000 --> 01:21:07.140
And back to back.

1608
01:21:07.199 --> 01:21:07.979
That's a great shock.

1609
01:21:07.979 --> 01:21:09.300
Oh, wait, we're talking about the doctor.

1610
01:21:09.479 --> 01:21:13.319
But but also, you know, these 2 are teaming up.

1611
01:21:13.380 --> 01:21:14.520
Sarah is a journalist.

1612
01:21:14.579 --> 01:21:16.979
Giel is a civilian geologist.

1613
01:21:17.039 --> 01:21:19.979
This is in a story with lots of military men acting gruff.

1614
01:21:20.279 --> 01:21:27.899
And it's these 2 who form an instrumental part in getting the drug they need on board the ship.

1615
01:21:27.899 --> 01:21:30.479
Under the noses of the Daleks.

1616
01:21:30.539 --> 01:21:32.939
It's very, very impressive.

1617
01:21:33.000 --> 01:21:37.140
I mean, putting aside the fact that I've complained about Joy Harrison's performance before.

1618
01:21:37.199 --> 01:21:38.640
But why?

1619
01:21:38.699 --> 01:21:40.500
I remember you did it on the original.

1620
01:21:40.560 --> 01:21:43.020
I just find it's all very one level.

1621
01:21:43.500 --> 01:21:53.819
You know, recently we've been watching Rod and I've been watching series 2 of the Avengers, which has Julie Stevens as Venus Smith, who isn't bad.

1622
01:21:56.220 --> 01:21:59.399
Well, particularly her singing is awful to listen to.

1623
01:21:59.460 --> 01:22:00.659
Not because she's a bad guy.

1624
01:22:01.020 --> 01:22:04.199
Not because she's a bad singer.

1625
01:22:04.260 --> 01:22:07.500
She's actually a good singer, but there is no variation.

1626
01:22:07.560 --> 01:22:09.239
Everything's just sung on the one level.

1627
01:22:09.239 --> 01:22:11.640
And that's how I see Joey Harrison's performance.

1628
01:22:11.699 --> 01:22:12.840
It's all on one level.

1629
01:22:12.899 --> 01:22:18.359
It's not necessarily bad in and of itself, but it's just like, I would like to see some light and shade in there.

1630
01:22:18.420 --> 01:22:23.460
Do you think the fact that Liz is in this giving a lot of variation might heighten that?

1631
01:22:23.520 --> 01:22:26.520
That that could also be...

1632
01:22:26.579 --> 01:22:27.119
Yeah, yeah.

1633
01:22:27.180 --> 01:22:34.199
Do you think that Jill and Sarah are at home doing the housework while the boys have adventures in the Excellon City?

1634
01:22:34.260 --> 01:22:40.319
I think the boys are mucking around playing video games in the Exalon City and Jill and Sarah are getting the proper work done.

1635
01:22:40.380 --> 01:22:42.840
I like this a lot.

1636
01:22:42.899 --> 01:22:48.539
Yeah. poetry's going to unscrew him if he doesn't put the gun down.

1637
01:22:48.659 --> 01:22:51.000
Yeah, John's giving it some proper acting here.

1638
01:22:51.060 --> 01:22:53.039
Wow, which is John acting.

1639
01:22:53.699 --> 01:22:56.819
And and then and then he gives Bilal a hug.

1640
01:22:57.600 --> 01:23:00.779
It was like a blinding, like, poor little guy.

1641
01:23:01.020 --> 01:23:02.939
Oh, it's very sweet.

1642
01:23:03.119 --> 01:23:04.979
But yeah, that's the thing.

1643
01:23:05.039 --> 01:23:07.800
I think, as you say, Nathan, it's a delaying tactic.

1644
01:23:07.859 --> 01:23:10.800
The doctor and Bala are walking on a treadmill until the blot starts again.

1645
01:23:10.859 --> 01:23:14.460
So Sarah's just like, well, bugger it. get the drug onto the spaceship.

1646
01:23:14.579 --> 01:23:16.560
But life is often like that.

1647
01:23:16.560 --> 01:23:19.079
That is true. always like that in my experience.

1648
01:23:19.199 --> 01:23:21.840
It doesn't feel like a delaying tactic, you know?

1649
01:23:21.899 --> 01:23:24.539
There's other stories where it feels like a delaying tactic here.

1650
01:23:24.600 --> 01:23:26.579
Yeah, and I think, well, there's a cause.

1651
01:23:26.699 --> 01:23:28.439
Pyramids of Mars episode four.

1652
01:23:28.500 --> 01:23:29.039
Yeah.

1653
01:23:29.039 --> 01:23:30.960
It is very definitely at the lane.

1654
01:23:31.079 --> 01:23:34.560
I think I think it's because you've split up the 2 protagonists.

1655
01:23:34.619 --> 01:23:40.619
So you've got the doctor and a new character in the form of Bilal, you've got Sarah with Jill Tarrant.

1656
01:23:40.680 --> 01:23:47.220
So, Whereas in Pyramids of Mars, you've got the doctor and Sarah together, and they're great together, but you kind of know what to expect.

1657
01:23:47.279 --> 01:23:50.699
Whereas here you get a few surprises, like Bilal turning on the doctor.

1658
01:23:50.760 --> 01:23:52.079
Now it's nighttime.

1659
01:23:52.140 --> 01:23:58.500
And this thing is happening too, with Galloway and Julian having to climb up the top of a thing.

1660
01:23:58.560 --> 01:24:07.079
Problem is whenever I hear the name Julian, and especially with his performance, I'm expecting Anne and George and Timmy the dog.

1661
01:24:07.140 --> 01:24:07.380
Yeah.

1662
01:24:09.840 --> 01:24:12.180
This is the one thing that I kind of think.

1663
01:24:12.239 --> 01:24:19.319
They've got a long way to climb and it's not like, you know, they've got to do this every single time to keep going up and up.

1664
01:24:19.380 --> 01:24:21.899
They would be exhausted by the time they get to the top of this.

1665
01:24:21.960 --> 01:24:25.380
A lot of carrying bombs around, just like in Planet of...

1666
01:24:25.439 --> 01:24:26.340
Hello, Terry.

1667
01:24:27.239 --> 01:24:30.720
I think these are I think these are even the same bulbs.

1668
01:24:30.779 --> 01:24:32.399
Great, big bulbs.

1669
01:24:33.239 --> 01:24:33.600
Yes.

1670
01:24:33.659 --> 01:24:50.279
And of course, it was after this when he started writing Genesis of Daleks and turned in a draft plot outline that Terence and Barry said, it's an excellent story, Terence, but it's the same one you sold us last year and I'm not entirely convinced you didn't sell it to us the year before that.

1671
01:24:50.340 --> 01:25:08.760
And to his credit, Terry was apparently mortified when they sat down with the 3 plot outlines together and says, you know, this is where the dialects come in and this is where they carry the bombs, et cetera, et cetera. and Terry apparently went, oh my god, you know, I didn't realise I've been writing this story since 1964.

1672
01:25:08.880 --> 01:25:11.640
She's suffering from Alzheimer's or something.

1673
01:25:11.699 --> 01:25:14.159
Well, you know, I think...

1674
01:25:14.220 --> 01:25:19.619
But in Australia, we'd only seen Planet of the Daleks, what, once in the very early 70s, before any of our memory.

1675
01:25:19.680 --> 01:25:20.399
No, we hadn't.

1676
01:25:20.460 --> 01:25:22.380
Because it had the black and white episode?

1677
01:25:22.439 --> 01:25:24.420
Yeah, but that only came later.

1678
01:25:24.479 --> 01:25:29.100
So we got to see this and Planet of the Spiders and Monster of Paladon.

1679
01:25:29.100 --> 01:25:33.720
And Time Warrior, kind of almost every 18 months throughout the end of the 70s.

1680
01:25:33.779 --> 01:25:34.859
But not much else.

1681
01:25:34.920 --> 01:25:35.520
Yeah.

1682
01:25:35.520 --> 01:25:37.979
And no Delgados.

1683
01:25:38.939 --> 01:25:40.920
Straight from spear.

1684
01:25:41.039 --> 01:25:41.460
Yeah.

1685
01:25:41.460 --> 01:25:42.899
We got Green Death.

1686
01:25:42.960 --> 01:25:46.020
We did get a few of Katie's stories, but not...

1687
01:25:46.079 --> 01:25:47.100
I remember getting those.

1688
01:25:47.159 --> 01:25:48.720
Yeah, we had 3 doctors, Green Death.

1689
01:25:48.779 --> 01:25:50.819
I remember Carnival Monsters.

1690
01:25:50.880 --> 01:25:54.659
I don't know about Day of the Daleks or the mutants, but I remember...

1691
01:25:54.720 --> 01:25:56.279
We did have Day of the Daleks a few times over.

1692
01:25:56.340 --> 01:25:57.420
We didn't have the mutants.

1693
01:25:57.479 --> 01:26:02.520
This reminds me of this guy looking at the Dr. Bell very much of the hand of fear with the other...

1694
01:26:02.520 --> 01:26:05.340
Oh, Rokon.

1695
01:26:05.340 --> 01:26:05.819
On looking.

1696
01:26:05.880 --> 01:26:07.140
Oh, is it Rogon?

1697
01:26:07.260 --> 01:26:09.180
I like that actually.

1698
01:26:09.239 --> 01:26:10.140
That does give it something.

1699
01:26:10.260 --> 01:26:12.539
Now, that person got quite a long way into the city.

1700
01:26:12.600 --> 01:26:13.380
He was super smart.

1701
01:26:13.380 --> 01:26:14.520
He's dead.

1702
01:26:14.579 --> 01:26:17.039
I'm very lucky to get over the doormat of death.

1703
01:26:17.100 --> 01:26:18.000
Yeah that's true.

1704
01:26:18.119 --> 01:26:19.079
He probably left.

1705
01:26:19.140 --> 01:26:21.239
Well, he probably had rugophobia as well.

1706
01:26:21.300 --> 01:26:22.319
It could.

1707
01:26:22.380 --> 01:26:23.520
He could have just been one of the cleaners.

1708
01:26:23.579 --> 01:26:24.840
I don't think they looked after their staff.

1709
01:26:24.899 --> 01:26:25.920
Little Bell Owls.

1710
01:26:26.039 --> 01:26:27.479
He's such a liability, isn't he?

1711
01:26:27.840 --> 01:26:30.239
and he's going to sort of fall over.

1712
01:26:30.300 --> 01:26:31.920
Oh, here he go.

1713
01:26:31.979 --> 01:26:32.460
Gurning.

1714
01:26:32.520 --> 01:26:34.619
It's just a box of flashing lights.

1715
01:26:34.859 --> 01:26:37.619
It's another as a flashback.

1716
01:26:37.680 --> 01:26:38.100
Oh my goodness.

1717
01:26:38.159 --> 01:26:40.739
We're not going into an alternative sideways universe.

1718
01:26:40.859 --> 01:26:43.859
That is pretty psychedelic. gorgeous.

1719
01:26:43.920 --> 01:26:45.600
I've forgotten this.

1720
01:26:45.659 --> 01:26:48.060
Yeah, it's what the cities were all about, kids.

1721
01:26:48.119 --> 01:26:51.300
It's the same effect that they did for Stevens, isn't it?

1722
01:26:51.359 --> 01:26:53.220
in um in Green Death.

1723
01:26:53.340 --> 01:26:55.199
Oh, and there's some Mirlon.

1724
01:26:55.260 --> 01:26:56.939
They're going all out, aren't they?

1725
01:26:57.000 --> 01:27:03.600
This is why your mum and dad used to go quite 8 at Christmas, because those lights, which all of that, the whole thing.

1726
01:27:03.659 --> 01:27:07.560
That's really, Todd's actually starting to spit out green pea soup, do you listen?

1727
01:27:07.619 --> 01:27:08.760
It's getting a bit scary in here.

1728
01:27:08.819 --> 01:27:10.560
I have to remember.

1729
01:27:10.560 --> 01:27:12.300
Oh, that's funny. bad.

1730
01:27:12.359 --> 01:27:12.840
That's bad.

1731
01:27:12.899 --> 01:27:14.939
He looks really haggard there.

1732
01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:16.140
That's the moment.

1733
01:27:16.199 --> 01:27:17.340
He's decided to quit.

1734
01:27:19.260 --> 01:27:22.979
This is the last...

1735
01:27:23.039 --> 01:27:24.300
It was.

1736
01:27:25.979 --> 01:27:27.539
What did he do for another 30 years?

1737
01:27:27.600 --> 01:27:29.699
He did that who done it show?

1738
01:27:29.699 --> 01:27:31.560
immediately afterwards, and that's it.

1739
01:27:31.619 --> 01:27:33.180
And then Woozle Gummidge.

1740
01:27:33.239 --> 01:27:36.359
Yeah, well...

1741
01:27:36.420 --> 01:27:40.260
Well, he loved it, and children loved it.

1742
01:27:40.319 --> 01:27:48.779
But, you know, he said, I was honoured when I, by the fans when I did this and, and when I did Wizel Gummage, children used to come up and pinch me.

1743
01:27:48.840 --> 01:27:58.260
But remember, like, you know, by the time he finishes gum engine, that he's in his 60s, you know, like, you know, so retirement, you know.

1744
01:27:58.260 --> 01:28:00.779
Oh, dear.

1745
01:28:00.840 --> 01:28:03.300
Did you put farting noises on this too?

1746
01:28:03.359 --> 01:28:06.659
That's awesome He was a Jedi all the time.

1747
01:28:08.340 --> 01:28:13.199
Gentlemen, I have a question for you when you when you 1st saw this in the...

1748
01:28:13.260 --> 01:28:13.800
Current of air.

1749
01:28:13.859 --> 01:28:14.399
Yes, come on.

1750
01:28:14.460 --> 01:28:15.359
Did...

1751
01:28:15.420 --> 01:28:18.659
Well, 1st of all, did you have a television at the time and 2nd of all, did you see it in colour?

1752
01:28:18.720 --> 01:28:19.560
Yes, yes.

1753
01:28:19.619 --> 01:28:22.619
78 So colour TV comes to Australia in 75.

1754
01:28:22.800 --> 01:28:23.520
Yes.

1755
01:28:23.579 --> 01:28:24.180
Yes.

1756
01:28:24.180 --> 01:28:25.800
So I definitely saw it.

1757
01:28:25.859 --> 01:28:27.359
Oh, it's a pre-orac, Aurac.

1758
01:28:27.600 --> 01:28:31.020
I think we'd had this in 77 as well.

1759
01:28:31.079 --> 01:28:32.460
Look, I'd have to go back and check.

1760
01:28:32.520 --> 01:28:36.420
I only ever remember this in colour and I'm a couple of years younger than you guys.

1761
01:28:36.479 --> 01:28:38.039
We got a colour TV series.

1762
01:28:38.100 --> 01:28:38.880
One series 7.

1763
01:28:38.939 --> 01:28:40.199
No, a couple.

1764
01:28:43.319 --> 01:28:50.340
Um, this was actually, I'm asking because I'm, I've been looking up, um, broad DW cast.

1765
01:28:50.399 --> 01:29:01.079
And according to that in New Zealand, this was the 1st story transmitted in colour in August 1976, Australia 1st transmitted it in April 1975.

1766
01:29:01.560 --> 01:29:03.359
Now by...

1767
01:29:03.359 --> 01:29:05.159
That's when we 1st saw it, yes.

1768
01:29:05.220 --> 01:29:06.960
Well, I didn't. didn't see it till 78.

1769
01:29:07.079 --> 01:29:08.279
No, that was my 1st season.

1770
01:29:08.340 --> 01:29:19.560
I saw the 75 season And um, The ABC had been sent it in 1974 as a black and white print, but it appears in early 1975.

1771
01:29:19.800 --> 01:29:22.680
They said to the BBC, could you please send us colour tapes.

1772
01:29:22.739 --> 01:29:27.180
So this may also have been one of the very 1st ones broadcasting colour.

1773
01:29:27.239 --> 01:29:32.159
This could make a sense as to why we kept seeing those pertly ones because they were the colour ones.

1774
01:29:32.279 --> 01:29:33.119
Yeah, yeah.

1775
01:29:33.180 --> 01:29:35.939
Planet of the Daleks because episode 3 was in...

1776
01:29:36.000 --> 01:29:38.100
I like this. gorgeous, isn't it?

1777
01:29:38.159 --> 01:29:38.939
It is one of the great moments.

1778
01:29:39.060 --> 01:29:41.340
This is where my childhood copy cuts out.

1779
01:29:41.399 --> 01:29:42.659
Oh, it's dear.

1780
01:29:42.720 --> 01:29:49.199
Meanwhile, they've made a very good progress and that, the bottom of that beacon, too small.

1781
01:29:49.260 --> 01:29:50.520
No, I agree.

1782
01:29:50.579 --> 01:29:54.420
But that's only because the space bottoms are so large in comparison.

1783
01:29:54.479 --> 01:29:55.199
Oh, okay.

1784
01:29:55.199 --> 01:29:56.699
It's a forced perspective.

1785
01:29:56.760 --> 01:29:57.899
Which bottom do you prefer?

1786
01:29:58.020 --> 01:30:00.239
If I had the choice, neither.

1787
01:30:00.300 --> 01:30:01.079
Okay.

1788
01:30:01.079 --> 01:30:04.560
If I have the choice, the bottom of the building.

1789
01:30:05.340 --> 01:30:07.260
They are the bombs.

1790
01:30:07.319 --> 01:30:08.279
Are they the bombs from?

1791
01:30:08.279 --> 01:30:09.960
No, they are different.

1792
01:30:10.020 --> 01:30:11.760
They aren't they are a completely different prop.

1793
01:30:11.819 --> 01:30:15.060
That's what I thought as well, but they are a completely different problem.

1794
01:30:15.180 --> 01:30:18.720
And they do they do stick on rather...

1795
01:30:18.840 --> 01:30:19.199
Oh dear.

1796
01:30:19.260 --> 01:30:21.300
We moved on. wobbled a bit.

1797
01:30:21.359 --> 01:30:28.680
The memory cheats because from the last time I watched this about a year ago, I don't remember that warble. let me do it.

1798
01:30:31.739 --> 01:30:33.180
Yeah, stop messing about.

1799
01:30:33.239 --> 01:30:34.500
It's like that, isn't it?

1800
01:30:34.500 --> 01:30:35.640
too, paddock.

1801
01:30:35.939 --> 01:30:38.279
One charge is enough, chance.

1802
01:30:38.340 --> 01:30:42.539
So he's already planning to sacrifice himself nobly, isn't he?

1803
01:30:42.600 --> 01:30:43.260
Bless him.

1804
01:30:44.039 --> 01:30:46.079
I'm not sure about that.

1805
01:30:46.140 --> 01:30:47.699
But he has a plan.

1806
01:30:47.760 --> 01:30:49.800
He just wants to blow something up, probably.

1807
01:30:49.859 --> 01:30:50.760
Maybe.

1808
01:30:50.760 --> 01:30:54.420
Because it was already one step ahead of Ronald D. Moore's cylons then.

1809
01:30:54.479 --> 01:31:00.659
Yeah, he has a plan. not just making it up as he goes along and telling everyone he has a plan in the opening credits.

1810
01:31:00.720 --> 01:31:01.680
Stephen Moffat.

1811
01:31:01.739 --> 01:31:03.720
I have failed.

1812
01:31:04.560 --> 01:31:05.640
Self-destruct.

1813
01:31:05.699 --> 01:31:06.239
I mean, really?

1814
01:31:06.239 --> 01:31:10.079
This is the most pizza female prisoner that's...

1815
01:31:10.079 --> 01:31:11.880
Yeah, so hardly matters.

1816
01:31:11.939 --> 01:31:13.739
So he they're very sexist.

1817
01:31:13.800 --> 01:31:14.699
This is a big crap.

1818
01:31:14.760 --> 01:31:15.779
Thanks, Terry.

1819
01:31:15.840 --> 01:31:20.520
Yeah, this is the most pathetic Dalek death since Frankenstein split water part.

1820
01:31:20.579 --> 01:31:22.020
Sorry, Frank, sorry.

1821
01:31:22.079 --> 01:31:27.659
I think Bob Holmes hated this, hated the Dalek so much. just went, I'm just going to leave this in because it's got Terry's name on it.

1822
01:31:27.720 --> 01:31:28.560
I'm going to save that.

1823
01:31:28.619 --> 01:31:31.439
Oh, no, this is where my copy cut out.

1824
01:31:31.800 --> 01:31:36.539
Because that line doctor, I think you should come now, is etched on my memory.

1825
01:31:39.600 --> 01:31:44.760
I actually think that the fringing, the CSA fringing on those antibody things actually works.

1826
01:31:44.819 --> 01:31:45.779
It does.

1827
01:31:45.779 --> 01:31:48.239
It makes them seem like they're not sort of fully there.

1828
01:31:48.300 --> 01:31:49.500
Which that exist.

1829
01:31:49.560 --> 01:31:53.220
But now, no, they just look terribly cheap.

1830
01:31:53.279 --> 01:31:57.960
Oh, and maybe this is where John, it's enough is enough.

1831
01:31:58.079 --> 01:32:00.300
Do we think that's Terry Walsh?

1832
01:32:00.420 --> 01:32:01.979
Not at the moment.

1833
01:32:02.039 --> 01:32:03.539
No, no, no, not John.

1834
01:32:03.600 --> 01:32:05.579
Like one of the antibodies is probably terrible.

1835
01:32:05.640 --> 01:32:06.180
Oh, okay.

1836
01:32:06.239 --> 01:32:07.079
Yes, they are.

1837
01:32:07.140 --> 01:32:08.819
Terry Walsh and Stephen Ismay.

1838
01:32:08.939 --> 01:32:09.779
There you go.

1839
01:32:09.779 --> 01:32:11.340
Stephen Ismay played an excellon as well.

1840
01:32:11.399 --> 01:32:14.340
And now...

1841
01:32:14.340 --> 01:32:18.960
Funnily enough, they weren't credited on screen for these roles, but they were credited in the radio times.

1842
01:32:19.020 --> 01:32:20.579
And they got a BAFTA age.

1843
01:32:20.579 --> 01:32:22.319
Interesting, subtle differences.

1844
01:32:22.319 --> 01:32:22.680
Oh, really?

1845
01:32:23.460 --> 01:32:24.239
They did, yeah, yeah.

1846
01:32:24.300 --> 01:32:27.060
Not a hot meal at the BBC canteen.

1847
01:32:27.600 --> 01:32:29.699
Assessed, assessed.

1848
01:32:31.199 --> 01:32:34.260
They're such racists, aren't they, honestly?

1849
01:32:34.500 --> 01:32:45.420
Stephen Ismay played loads of, um, loads of monsters and guards in the Pertwee era and also a few in the Tom era.

1850
01:32:45.479 --> 01:32:52.260
He was going to be either a Krag or a denizen of Shada as well.

1851
01:32:52.739 --> 01:32:58.739
And his last appearance was as a security guard in time flight.

1852
01:32:59.279 --> 01:33:04.079
Wow, we should go back and redo those episodes and keep an eye out for him.

1853
01:33:04.140 --> 01:33:11.819
Yeah, well, you see, it's because he also appears in a Matt Smith story and throws himself into the doctor's timeline in order to appear at various points in history.

1854
01:33:12.119 --> 01:33:14.760
That's such a great story.

1855
01:33:15.779 --> 01:33:18.300
I didn't know Clara was in this story.

1856
01:33:18.359 --> 01:33:19.619
He's the impossible guy.

1857
01:33:19.680 --> 01:33:20.699
Actually, she probably is.

1858
01:33:21.960 --> 01:33:24.479
Where is the hand of Mofford?

1859
01:33:25.439 --> 01:33:28.079
Oh, the Dalek just got hit.

1860
01:33:28.140 --> 01:33:29.340
There's Clara.

1861
01:33:30.000 --> 01:33:32.340
During her bulimic phase.

1862
01:33:32.399 --> 01:33:33.539
It was unfortunate.

1863
01:33:33.539 --> 01:33:35.760
So it was her birthday just very recently.

1864
01:33:35.819 --> 01:33:36.359
Really?

1865
01:33:36.359 --> 01:33:39.420
Clara, RTD and I share a birthday.

1866
01:33:39.479 --> 01:33:40.500
Oh, really?

1867
01:33:40.560 --> 01:33:42.720
The actor, the actress, otherwise known as...

1868
01:33:42.720 --> 01:33:44.579
She's 32, isn't she?

1869
01:33:44.640 --> 01:33:45.539
She was born in 1980.

1870
01:33:45.840 --> 01:33:46.560
My goodness.

1871
01:33:46.619 --> 01:33:49.199
She's younger than you, Brendan.

1872
01:33:49.260 --> 01:33:50.100
Yes.

1873
01:33:50.100 --> 01:33:52.619
And she's already been Queen Victoria.

1874
01:33:53.279 --> 01:33:56.460
Well, you've had G, she's age badly.

1875
01:33:56.520 --> 01:33:59.819
Presents more laid, pathetic medal.

1876
01:34:00.659 --> 01:34:02.460
Where is Jill?

1877
01:34:02.520 --> 01:34:05.640
He needs a good night's sleep, doesn't he, Julian?

1878
01:34:05.699 --> 01:34:06.899
The bags under his eyes.

1879
01:34:07.020 --> 01:34:08.220
They're huge.

1880
01:34:08.279 --> 01:34:11.399
I know you wouldn't get onto economy with those, would you?

1881
01:34:11.399 --> 01:34:12.779
And that belt is very high.

1882
01:34:12.840 --> 01:34:16.680
The belt is very high and he's got a he's got a knee holster.

1883
01:34:16.739 --> 01:34:19.979
Well, he's got dodgy knees from all that.

1884
01:34:20.039 --> 01:34:20.939
Scrubbing.

1885
01:34:21.600 --> 01:34:23.760
Oh, dear, but loud.

1886
01:34:23.819 --> 01:34:25.380
No, the sets and the costumes are gorgeous.

1887
01:34:25.439 --> 01:34:28.020
Oh, that's a great publicity shot there.

1888
01:34:28.079 --> 01:34:29.039
Yes, that's it.

1889
01:34:29.159 --> 01:34:30.300
That was in lots of our.

1890
01:34:30.420 --> 01:34:33.420
That was in the newspaper at the time to advertise it was on.

1891
01:34:33.539 --> 01:34:37.619
Arnold Yarrow was trying, his agent was trying to get him more work with that shot, saying?

1892
01:34:37.619 --> 01:34:39.960
In that outfit?

1893
01:34:40.020 --> 01:34:41.640
Watch this.

1894
01:34:41.640 --> 01:34:44.460
He was the same...

1895
01:34:44.520 --> 01:34:44.939
I love it.

1896
01:34:45.000 --> 01:34:45.479
I love it.

1897
01:34:46.079 --> 01:34:47.760
She's just so good.

1898
01:34:47.880 --> 01:34:50.819
What's it like hugging a human rock though, I don't think.

1899
01:34:50.880 --> 01:34:54.420
Pet rocks were a big trend in the early 70s, yeah.

1900
01:34:55.439 --> 01:35:00.000
But in the background, like he's explaining things to Sarah. lovely.

1901
01:35:00.060 --> 01:35:02.819
Spits of you while I point because that's doctor acting.

1902
01:35:02.880 --> 01:35:05.460
I mean, yeah, he's taking he's taken Jill's hand.

1903
01:35:05.579 --> 01:35:20.880
So John and Joy must have got on because there's nothing really in the script between the 2 characters and I'm trying I'm trying to think of a, a female guest star that the doctor, that the 3rd doctor acted sort of paternally towards.

1904
01:35:20.939 --> 01:35:22.260
And I'm really struggling.

1905
01:35:22.319 --> 01:35:26.579
That one, the ambassador at the end of, um, the curse of peloton?

1906
01:35:26.939 --> 01:35:28.920
That's quite good.

1907
01:35:28.979 --> 01:35:29.760
It's quite good.

1908
01:35:30.420 --> 01:35:36.119
Do you mean do you mean he acted patriarchally towards her in that he stole her job for 4 episodes?

1909
01:35:36.779 --> 01:35:39.659
Oh, it's so exciting.

1910
01:35:39.720 --> 01:35:41.399
Beacons destroyed.

1911
01:35:41.939 --> 01:35:44.880
It's nice watching these in isolation.

1912
01:35:45.180 --> 01:35:48.239
After seeing them in sequence.

1913
01:35:48.359 --> 01:35:50.699
He's having a moment there, isn't he?

1914
01:35:50.760 --> 01:35:54.420
We're getting a bit of presaging that I hadn't noticed before.

1915
01:35:54.479 --> 01:35:55.619
I think each doctor.

1916
01:35:55.680 --> 01:36:02.279
We'll see what happens this year with Capaldi as we're recording this just as I'm waiting for the 3rd Capaldi story to come out.

1917
01:36:02.340 --> 01:36:07.859
But each doctor seems to presage his own demise in a lovely, subtle way.

1918
01:36:07.920 --> 01:36:08.699
Billy certainly did.

1919
01:36:08.760 --> 01:36:11.100
Tom definitely in season 18.

1920
01:36:11.220 --> 01:36:14.880
And yes, I'm getting moments of that with John.

1921
01:36:14.939 --> 01:36:15.840
It's quite poignant.

1922
01:36:15.899 --> 01:36:19.619
John was also very annoyed during the making of this story.

1923
01:36:19.739 --> 01:36:21.000
Why is that Why?

1924
01:36:21.000 --> 01:36:27.000
Because the usual studio schedule involved 2 consecutive recording days once a fortnight.

1925
01:36:27.060 --> 01:36:27.359
Yes.

1926
01:36:27.359 --> 01:36:29.579
And comet.

1927
01:36:29.640 --> 01:36:32.039
So each day would essentially do one episode.

1928
01:36:32.039 --> 01:36:40.979
In order to save wear and tear on the set, Michael Bryant decided to shoot, as you would with a feature film, everything on one set and then moved to the next set.

1929
01:36:40.979 --> 01:36:46.859
And that really annoyed John because of course, you know, he'd been working with the previous method for 4 years.

1930
01:36:48.359 --> 01:36:50.579
But economic.

1931
01:36:50.579 --> 01:36:52.680
It's economic and it saves the set.

1932
01:36:53.220 --> 01:36:55.560
John was just incredibly lazy.

1933
01:36:55.619 --> 01:36:57.600
It's also the filmic way of acting.

1934
01:36:57.659 --> 01:36:58.079
Exactly.

1935
01:36:58.140 --> 01:36:59.640
It's a professional way of doing it.

1936
01:36:59.760 --> 01:37:02.699
Very magnanimous of the daleks, not to blast them.

1937
01:37:02.760 --> 01:37:04.140
Just shoot them, for God's sake.

1938
01:37:04.199 --> 01:37:05.880
I think they like to leave them.

1939
01:37:05.939 --> 01:37:07.560
Now their saucepan or whatever it is.

1940
01:37:07.619 --> 01:37:16.500
That's why they should have been Batman villains as well, because they quite like leaving them, that lovely thought of the base of the spine thought of leaving them racked in pain as they bugger off.

1941
01:37:16.619 --> 01:37:19.140
Yeah, we'll strap you to this death machine and then go away.

1942
01:37:19.199 --> 01:37:21.300
Yeah.com. yes.

1943
01:37:22.319 --> 01:37:24.600
They don't have perennials.

1944
01:37:24.720 --> 01:37:26.760
Yes, and I like how John doesn't know it either.

1945
01:37:26.819 --> 01:37:29.520
They've saved the day, but John doesn't actually realise that.

1946
01:37:29.579 --> 01:37:30.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1947
01:37:34.020 --> 01:37:36.479
I should never trusted Galloway.

1948
01:37:36.539 --> 01:37:37.319
He was clearly working class.

1949
01:37:37.739 --> 01:37:40.680
They really are terror hawks uniforms.

1950
01:37:40.739 --> 01:37:42.840
Oh, love and love it.

1951
01:37:42.840 --> 01:37:44.819
Millennial pink knob.

1952
01:37:44.880 --> 01:37:46.020
Well, you know what?

1953
01:37:46.079 --> 01:37:48.060
If it's only going to be on screen for 30 seconds.

1954
01:37:48.180 --> 01:37:49.739
Just make it basic and functional.

1955
01:37:49.800 --> 01:37:53.039
She sat there and thought, how do daleks twiddle knobs with those?

1956
01:37:53.039 --> 01:37:54.359
Oh, and...

1957
01:37:54.420 --> 01:37:56.460
And how did they make those little darlet water?

1958
01:37:56.520 --> 01:37:58.859
What favourite sound is happening at the moment?

1959
01:37:58.920 --> 01:37:59.520
here we go.

1960
01:37:59.579 --> 01:38:01.380
Come on Galloway.

1961
01:38:01.439 --> 01:38:05.220
You can do it Why can't you just set the timer on the fricker?

1962
01:38:05.279 --> 01:38:06.420
Oh, they could have found it.

1963
01:38:06.479 --> 01:38:08.699
Oh, what, and not him?

1964
01:38:08.760 --> 01:38:17.460
And actually, that's a Michael Bryant thing where you cut to the explosion. then you have just a quick cut to someone who's being exploded and then cut away again.

1965
01:38:17.520 --> 01:38:20.699
It's yours, my dear.

1966
01:38:21.539 --> 01:38:23.699
Go to acting 101.

1967
01:38:23.819 --> 01:38:26.340
Get your piranium where it is.

1968
01:38:26.340 --> 01:38:27.779
Get at your piranium, my dear.

1969
01:38:27.840 --> 01:38:28.619
Great.

1970
01:38:30.840 --> 01:38:32.579
The sound of this.

1971
01:38:33.539 --> 01:38:35.880
Those close-ups are great too.

1972
01:38:36.539 --> 01:38:37.739
Ooh.

1973
01:38:37.800 --> 01:38:40.319
Oh, it's like going to Janolan Caves.

1974
01:38:41.520 --> 01:38:44.699
Oh, that's really good. beautiful, isn't it?

1975
01:38:44.819 --> 01:38:48.720
And yeah, it's just the old trick of polystyrene sprayed with alcohol.

1976
01:38:48.779 --> 01:38:49.739
Acetone. acetone.

1977
01:38:49.800 --> 01:38:51.600
Your mom's nail polish remover.

1978
01:38:51.659 --> 01:38:55.920
Gee, it didn't really store much energy to save itself, did it?

1979
01:38:55.979 --> 01:38:57.899
No, actually, good point.

1980
01:38:57.960 --> 01:39:00.359
Oh, Sarah makes it work.

1981
01:39:00.420 --> 01:39:02.640
It's also nice to have it not explode.

1982
01:39:02.699 --> 01:39:04.800
I think that's kind of Yeah, that is nice.

1983
01:39:05.159 --> 01:39:05.579
That is nice.

1984
01:39:05.699 --> 01:39:07.020
She's here.

1985
01:39:07.920 --> 01:39:09.960
Oh, here we go.

1986
01:39:10.020 --> 01:39:11.460
Freeze frame.

1987
01:39:11.460 --> 01:39:13.979
Comedy ending.

1988
01:39:14.039 --> 01:39:16.020
Does it end on John's face?

1989
01:39:16.079 --> 01:39:16.260
Yes.

1990
01:39:16.319 --> 01:39:23.579
The thing is, it's a joke ending, but joke endings work when they're not just filled with fake laughter afterwards.

1991
01:39:23.640 --> 01:39:26.880
I'm finding that was Space 1999. season two.

1992
01:39:26.939 --> 01:39:28.260
That's that's Freddie free.

1993
01:39:28.319 --> 01:39:34.800
You know, I really think that the new showrunner of Doctor Who should try and show us the other 699 Wonders of Universe.

1994
01:39:34.920 --> 01:39:35.760
I don't think he wants.

1995
01:39:37.500 --> 01:39:41.579
Fights arranged. written by he gets another credit.

1996
01:39:42.000 --> 01:39:47.460
Interesting, because when this goes out, we might actually know. more about the new seat.

1997
01:39:47.520 --> 01:39:48.840
Oh, yeah.

1998
01:39:48.840 --> 01:39:51.060
Oh, that's been cast.

1999
01:39:51.119 --> 01:39:52.140
Jennifer Saunders.

2000
01:39:52.680 --> 01:39:55.439
Well, I hope you've enjoyed that, listen.

2001
01:39:56.520 --> 01:39:58.859
I love Colin Green's work.

2002
01:39:58.920 --> 01:40:01.079
You have something to tell us, I think.

2003
01:40:01.079 --> 01:40:16.920
I do, because as the dear listeners will know, starting with the, um, Starting with our Mind Warp podcast, of course, we asked you to vote on our Tom Baker commentary, and we can now announce the results for that.

2004
01:40:16.979 --> 01:40:26.520
So, um, of course, I nominated the Sunmakers, Nathan nominated the Horns of Naimon, uh, Richard nominated the Stones of Blood.

2005
01:40:26.819 --> 01:40:30.840
And Todd nominated the Hand of Fear.

2006
01:40:30.899 --> 01:40:35.279
And the winner is The Stones of Blood.

2007
01:40:35.340 --> 01:40:37.800
Oh, Professor Quitemus will be pleased.

2008
01:40:37.859 --> 01:40:45.779
We'll be putting that out after our 1st season of Sylvester McCoy and we'll be back next week with Time and the Rani.

2009
01:40:45.840 --> 01:40:46.859
So do come back for that.

2010
01:40:46.920 --> 01:40:48.239
You can find us online.

2011
01:40:48.359 --> 01:40:50.220
Enjoy that listener.

2012
01:40:50.279 --> 01:40:52.199
I had door time in the rain.

2013
01:40:52.260 --> 01:41:06.539
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2014
01:41:06.600 --> 01:41:12.539
You can find that on Bondfinger.com, Bondfinger on Apple Podcasts and Facebook and Bondfingercast on Twitter.

2015
01:41:12.659 --> 01:41:15.840
Until next time, may you not get sand in your peranium.

2016
01:41:15.899 --> 01:41:16.859
So good, I used it twice.

2017
01:41:16.920 --> 01:41:18.420
Thank you very much for listening good night.

2018
01:41:18.479 --> 01:41:19.079
Good night.

2019
01:41:19.140 --> 01:41:19.739
See you soon.

2020
01:41:19.800 --> 01:41:20.340
Good night.