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Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety

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the only Doctor Who commentary podcast who's fondling the piranium

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as we speak.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Nathan I'm Below's BFF.

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I'm an elongated saxophony ructation for this episode.

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Hello, everyone.

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We are finally presenting for you our commentary for Death to the

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Daleks.

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So we have our Death to the Daleks DVD in there, and a fun little

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thing that's been edited out of every time I've announced that

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we're doing a Death to the Daleks commentary.

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Of course, the boys will be able to tell you, I keep calling it

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Day of the Daleks, which I then edit out, and I wasn't going to

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mention that here, but before you all came round, I pulled out the

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day of the Daleks DVD 1st and almost put it in.

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No, but all...

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I then debated, are we watching the original version or the

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version with new special effects and almost put it in before I

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thought, no, we're doing death to the Daleks.

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And then when I went to get my Doctor Who, the complete history

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book, I'm like, do I have Day of the Daleks yet?

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Oh, yes, I do.

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Oh, wait, no, we're doing death to the Daleks.

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So I got it wrong.

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I don't know whether it was just you or whether we were doing a

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mind meld because I thought it was Day of the Darks this morning

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too.

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I really did.

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And I was quite thrilled about getting up, you know, in you in a

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mini skirt on one of those big balloon tied 3 wheelers.

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Maybe that's it.

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Maybe I just wanted to be in my Joe outfit again, which I'm

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wearing right now.

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Okay, we do we do have our DVD ready to go.

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It's wearing that really stupid bathing outfit, massive beach

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ball.

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It's not hiding your shame at all.

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Go on.

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And as you have come to expect from us.

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I'm about to give you a code word, and this is the word with which

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use to press play.

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And that word is root.

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So the next time I say that word.

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Anthony.

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So the next time I say that word, I would like you to press, play

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on your play all button.

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Are you ready, dear listener?

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Root.

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And we are...

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It is an instruction.

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Hooray, my favourite title suit.

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Mine too. adore this.

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The knives coming out and...

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The knives.

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What is in your head?

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They make me think of knives.

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And the sort of wind across pert we space.

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He wasn't getting any younger.

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No, that's right.

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And this is famously, apparently, the story where he said to Barry

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nah, I'm out.

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Oh, we have to spot the moment where he makes that decision.

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Really, it's actually got, as we're about to discover.

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How about that for atmosphere?

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This, of course, is was not on the version broadcast in the ABC in

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the 1980s.

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No, I didn't see...

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I didn't see this until I borrowed it on video from the library

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who it is.

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It's Terry Walsh.

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Hooray.

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And he's not...

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It wasn't in our 70s version either, was it, gentlemen?

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I don't remember where it is.

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I don't think we got to see beating up Terry Walsh again.

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So yeah, it got this.

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And I remember the 1st time I saw that scene was when I borrowed

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it from the library and even then it was the omnibus edition.

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So it had bright magenta titles.

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I mean, Death to the Daleks in bright magenta.

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That outfit is horrendous.

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Which one?

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Sarah's.

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Why?

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Chrissy from Man About that.

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I was actually just going to say.

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Is this her 1st time in the Tardis that we see her in?

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This is also, that is a man about a house, I should say, delicious

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is what I'm watching each morning before I go to work right now

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and yeah, he is.

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It's a favourite.

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Oh, you know, that was the Dolly Bird book look.

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She's adorable.

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Look at her, dear little thing.

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But it is a bit mad about the house Felicity Kendall, kind of.

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It's 70s.

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Yeah, hello.

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974.

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That is top 0 the look.

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It's 1980.

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The whole concept.

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And it's lovely to see that.

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Yes, it is a... on the console.

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This is actually the only time this season we see the interior of

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the TARDIS.

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I thought so.

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And after this story, we wouldn't see the interior of the TARDIS

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again until Planet of Evil.

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That's not a bad thing.

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No, I like it.

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I agree.

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I mean, you know, next year we're without the TARDIS for 2.5

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stories.

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But this one, if we can get back to this story, is beautiful

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because I remember this as a little, little boy and the

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atmospheric quality of it and the impending doomness, really

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really is a strong memory for children.

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It's a powerful thing to be watching.

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I love this 1st episode Well, I've said before on the podcast.

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This is the 1st episode of I ever saw in 1978.

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This is what bound you.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's a fateful moment.

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I love this stuff in the TARDIS. like just the lighting and

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everything.

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And again, if we can reference Edwardian fiction within Doctor Who

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trope, as we do.

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This is all already H Rider, how guide is there descending into

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the, to the darknesses of the, of the great, and we'll find out

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more of that as we go on.

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This is very planet of the Daleks.

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One of the things, of course, is that it's better.

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Well, it is better because Terry has now written this script about

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5 times and he's really polished it into a sort of, you know, a

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piece of art.

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Yes, a piece of jabberlite sculpture.

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And also, this is the 1st script that Robert Holmes had a big hand

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in editing.

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Terrence Dix was still around, but Robert Holmes was trailing him

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at this time and Robert Holmes actually came up with the title.

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The original title was the Excellons.

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Oh, derived from the word elixir, because in the original script

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the city was reliant on an elixir that the excellons made and

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Robert Holmes.

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Robert Holmes said, yeah, Terry, I see what you did there.

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It's not as clever as you think it is.

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Let's call the story depth to the Daleks and asked years later.

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Why is it called Diff to Darks?

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Because I hate them.

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I would have liked it to be called the excellence.

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It would have been a surprise that the Daleks were going to turn

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up.

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It is nice when it's a surprise.

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And then, of course, you know, 40 years later, we would have had

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Tom Baker and Louise Jameson in the big finish audio Death to the

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Daleks because the big finish, big finish have done a prequel to

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this.

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Cool, big.

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But she's quite gripping.

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Well, it's got it's got Louise. got Louise Jameson in it.

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You know, you put Tom Baker and Louise Jameson together.

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They could read the phone book.

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But we're not putting Tom Baker and Louise Jameson together

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because we've got John Pertwin and Elizabeth Sladen being charming

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with an oil lamp.

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Hooray for old-fashioned oil, she said, seductively.

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Wasn't there an oil crisis going on at the time?

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Yes, there was.

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Will spotted?

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Thank you.

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I was going to say this is a lovely little hand in glovingness

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that Doctor Who was doing at the time.

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Yes, they're referencing the enormous power outages that are going

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on through the UK.

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Oh, I do love it when Terry Nation is the...

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Let's get the manual crank to open up the TARDIS door.

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It's beautiful, isn't it?

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It's like starting...

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Chitty bang, bang.

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You get that there's a very early piece of steam punkiness right

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He does think it's a mechanical device, though.

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It does.

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Isn't that lovely though, poetry?

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You know, you can block the vents by just spewing a bit of fungus

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on them.

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No one can breathe inside.

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And now we're in studio.

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We are terrible studios.

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It's not a terrible one.

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I think there's some really good direction actually in this in

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this particular episode.

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I had a feeling this was shown.

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At this, at the time of year, it was shown in when we were young

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it was winter, so we got to watch this in the dark.

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UK list, the UK listener would say, well, doctor is always on in

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the dark, but for, you know, for our summers, it's probably like

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yours.

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It was.

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Yeah, seeing this in a dark, you know, dark house and cold rooms.

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Well, I think it was, I think it was June or July when I 1st

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watched.

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Yeah, that's right.

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No, I joke Dan from Sarah.

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What did she say?

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I'm close to becoming petrified myself about the petrified rock.

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That's why I love that in Doctor Who.

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Did he look down at look down at her little bib when she said it?

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Because he would.

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He's being well behaved.

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After what happened with April Walker, he's certainly on his...

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He is actually on good behaviour for a good reason, isn't he?

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Yes, that's right.

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Ingabol confiscated them.

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Yes, she put them on her and she shrunk them down and put them on

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her tiny chessboard and emitted foul blasts.

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So Sarah's still got her page boy haircut.

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She does have a lovely 70s pretty-esque haircut, actually.

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It is, isn't it?

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Lovely little.

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Turned in bob.

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She's so young.

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She's so impossibly young.

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She was a grown-up when I 1st watched this.

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I know isn't it ridiculous?

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And I love her muted hysteria.

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I like the levels Todson once that she can deliver 2 or 3 emotions

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at once and that's probably what made her stand out to the casual

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viewer.

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Really she really grabs your attention. as she's grabbing pertly's

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right now, even though she's shaky hand on that flame.

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But Joe creates that sort of single female companion role and does

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it so well is so charming and so essential to the program.

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I never felt Joe was actually in peril, but I really believe

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Sarah's right up against you.

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Well, I think she ups it by just being a bit better.

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Oh, bless.

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Look at him.

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He does the best B Arthur you could possibly imagine that lovely

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erect poise.

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It's probably the last time he really properly acts and then he

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has 12 episodes left to sort of walk through contract.

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That's a bit slack, but, you know, he's made a decision to leave

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so you know what I mean.

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No, no, I think you're absolutely right.

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This isn't as gorgeous.

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I just love the way it transitions.

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And I, as a kid, I just accepted the fact that around the TARDIS

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it was like studio and then you go out to, ooh, here they come.

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Watch out.

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Curry Blyton score.

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But back to Sarah.

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I love the fact that that hideous...

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Because Eileen Wayne, not a lot of people know that.

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Can be then used in this little cute brown number, which I really

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like with the little I actually really like this number on her.

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Even the shot of looking over the roof of the Tartars felt fresh

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at the time.

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We didn't usually get high.

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I was freaked out as a kid by all this in the darkness, you know

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and what's really there.

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I think it is scary, I think.

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Well, we haven't seen a lot of Doctor Who shot is at this pitch, at

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this, you get day for night shooting, but we haven't actually seen

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the screen this dark for a very long time.

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Did you avoid it?

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Yeah.

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Brandon, did you find this scary as a kid?

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I really did.

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And it wasn't helped by the fact that my copy of this as a kid is

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missing the last 10 minutes.

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So you never know what happened.

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I didn't until my local library got a copy of the late 80s omnibus

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edition on video.

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And his mother spilt a nail polish remover over his boogie board.

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I had a boogie board.

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I love this planet shot, like all of this...

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Isn't that beautiful?

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And that's the one we remember.

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How did they do all that stuff with the mist and stuff?

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It's wonderful.

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I just think they scatter dry ice around.

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Yeah, I believe it is dry ice rather than rather than a smoke

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machine.

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And Liz Slaton's genuine complaints.

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It was miserable. golden she horrible.

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So it's not acting.

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She said, oh, isn't that great too?

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Blooding Doctor Who.

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It's such a terry trope though, isn't it?

299
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Yeah, but it's her that's making this work.

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Each time I watch this.

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That's why I loved her so much.

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No, that is fantastic.

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This is gorgeous.

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So, listen, she's just running through the rocks now with all the

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farty mist behind her.

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Yeah, in silhouette, in silhouette.

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Yeah, just beautifully lit.

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It does feel a bit like survivors, doesn't it?

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In isolation.

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Well, out on location.

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Yeah, yeah.

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This in here is truly...

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This is the 1st time that the interior of the TARDIS, actually

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since Susan and her and the pinking shears of Dune, that the

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inside of the TARDIS is not the point of safety.

316
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's always been our refuge in a story.

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And again, that was Terry Nation.

319
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What kind of the Daleks, wasn't it, a bit?

320
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John was on the right of there. just kind of block it out.

321
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No, there was no there was no actual physical threat.

322
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Oh, in the actual...

323
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It was just John couldn't, you know, John couldn't breathe or

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something.

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He's doing the pertwee death pose, but there was no, I'm sure

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monster in there.

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Only one knee standing.

328
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Yes, right.

329
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What a great... is just horrendous.

330
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Isn't it though?

331
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I was freaked out as a kid.

332
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

333
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And the fact that we have no music here.

334
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I think it's terrible that Derby Watling's not given credit for

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this episode.

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All these came in.

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It's actually still in the TARDIS to this day.

338
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Oh my god, that's what's in the vault.

339
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I think he was Sylvester's phonetics coach, wasn't it?

340
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More of that later.

341
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Look, she's just so painful.

342
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Oh, it's great.

343
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Oh, doesn't this actually nicely dovetail, Eldred Must leaves...

344
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I just think, you know, she's locked herself in.

345
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Oh, yeah, and his point of view stuff. really disturbing.

346
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Like, it's actually pretty violent.

347
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I'm surprised that got.

348
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You're right, Richard.

349
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I'm surprised it got through here in Australia.

350
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Like, you know, and then running away again.

351
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Oh my goodness.

352
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Nowhere is safe Doctor Who hasn't actually gone for straight

353
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horror for a long time, I think, at this point.

354
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It was always a big cuddly, wasn't it?

355
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We like taking the phlegmatics out of Mr. Nation.

356
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Like, we like to empty his spleen, but really, he provides a

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corker, doesn't he, each time?

358
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But the fact that Robert Holmes has had input into this, this is

359
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pops the 1st bit of flavour of his what is to come, really.

360
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Yeah, I mean, that's the thing.

361
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If you look at the difference...

362
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Take that with my Felix Lighter.

363
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Oh, here we go.

364
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Come on, do the hand pose.

365
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Do the sort of so fabulous.

366
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He's going to try and hypnotise the bastard.

367
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But Pearl, we actually, I love it when the 3rd doctor looked, I

368
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shouldn't say, per we all, though, same person, really.

369
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In fact, they're not distinguishable at all.

370
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But I love it when he really does look like he's in peril because

371
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you do believe it.

372
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I think I miss this doctor.

373
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Oh yes.

374
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Oh, yes.

375
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Well, that's the thing.

376
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We all got to the end of the pert where you're at with more of an

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appreciation than when we started and all of us had differing

378
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levels of appreciation going in, Nathan.

379
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No, no, I ended up quite liking him.

380
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I thought he was obnoxious in season seven, but when Joe comes

381
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along and humanises him.

382
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He's great.

383
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He's doing a better job in this season than I remember him doing.

384
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I mean, I'd always said he'd retired from acting in his final

385
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season.

386
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Yeah, I had the same opinion, but then I saw 3 distinct sort of

387
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the 1st 18 months and the next 18 months and the final 2 years and

388
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now the character, how the character changed from that really

389
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harsh, humanised, and then the Arthur the last 2 years.

390
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Oh, anyway, what's Sarah looking at?

391
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Ah, I love this.

392
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Everybody loves white Lego.

393
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How could you not?

394
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And the sound.

395
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The sound is so good.

396
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The curry...

397
00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:10.860
Now, who was doing foley sounds?

398
00:15:10.919 --> 00:15:12.840
Because Kari Blyton, who did the beautiful school?

399
00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:16.980
I believe it's Dick Mills is doing... because it's a gorgeous

400
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sonorous moan.

401
00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:19.980
But the CSO is not too bad here either.

402
00:15:20.100 --> 00:15:25.139
Well, what helps there is the fact that, you know, how's that for

403
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an establishing shop?

404
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This is like John Carter of Mars stuff.

405
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This is like the Boris paintings on the covers, the SF books of

406
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the 70s, which is probably where a lot of this Oh, isn't that

407
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lovely bit of camo too.

408
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A bit of the rock just crawled away.

409
00:15:38.399 --> 00:15:42.960
Look, I really think Eileen Way should have been in more Star Wars

410
00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:43.320
esque, isn't it?

411
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Isn't it, though?

412
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I'm thinking the planet Uxarius, actually.

413
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It is a different location, but yes, it's not far, though, from

414
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the locations for Destiny of the Daleks and the case of

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Andrazani.

416
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They were part of the same quarry network, if you like.

417
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But yeah, the CSO shots of the city, I think, are so good because

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the model is shot on video.

419
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So you have a matching look, and quite often during the pert we

420
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era, you know, the CSO shots, the models will be shot on film, the

421
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live action elements on video, and so there's a very jarring

422
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thing.

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And it wobbles. and it wobbles.

424
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Yeah.

425
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Wibble, just like that.

426
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That's a very terry nation thing, isn't it?

427
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The trip wire.

428
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Although it also features excitingly in time and the Rani as we're

429
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about to discover soon, aren't we, all have we already

430
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discovered?

431
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No, we're about to discuss.

432
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That's discovered.

433
00:16:34.139 --> 00:16:37.440
Ah, Jeez.

434
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He really is.

435
00:16:38.580 --> 00:16:41.399
It's like, I feel as if I'm in the middle of a Dave Allen sketch

436
00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:41.519
though.

437
00:16:41.580 --> 00:16:43.080
Somehow...

438
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That's fantastic.

439
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That's exactly what the boulders and Breath of the Wild look like

440
00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:48.779
as well.

441
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It's also puree rider, haguard, yeah.

442
00:16:51.059 --> 00:16:52.259
It's not a bad boulder.

443
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That's bolder.

444
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And now I'd do that bolder.

445
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Hello?

446
00:16:56.399 --> 00:16:59.519
Oh, he looks like he's had a big night.

447
00:16:59.580 --> 00:17:01.320
Oh, it's not even John.

448
00:17:01.440 --> 00:17:04.799
Oh, that was so obvious. stab Terry Walsh in the face.

449
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And now the man who can't stop looking at the camera.

450
00:17:09.180 --> 00:17:11.579
Oh, no, it's the other ones.

451
00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:12.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

452
00:17:12.180 --> 00:17:12.900
Well, who did he play?

453
00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:15.000
I love John Adams. he in General Carrington?

454
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Of course.

455
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And and Rangquin of the Swampies.

456
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Oh, my goodness.

457
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He looks lovely, but a bit...

458
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What about the other guy?

459
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Was he in dog 2 before?

460
00:17:24.539 --> 00:17:25.440
No, I don't think so.

461
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But John Abeniri has also...

462
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Yeah, yeah.

463
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And this guy's on the commentary, Todd, so you should listen to

464
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him.

465
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He might explain why he looks at the camera.

466
00:17:33.180 --> 00:17:37.319
But yeah, John Abeneri is also famous to genre fans as Arnold

467
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Rimmer's dad in the Red Dwarf episode back to reality.

468
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Yes, bit of bad fringing there.

469
00:17:43.079 --> 00:17:44.039
Yeah.

470
00:17:44.099 --> 00:17:45.539
It's all right, Peter.

471
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Look at the direction with the rock out of focus in the fork.

472
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I love her.

473
00:17:50.039 --> 00:17:51.779
I actually quite like their outfits too.

474
00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:55.799
Michael Lee Bryant does depth of field very well.

475
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He'll be back for amongst other stories, Robots of Death.

476
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Here she is, Jill Tarrant.

477
00:18:01.619 --> 00:18:04.859
Wouldn't be a Doctor Who story...

478
00:18:04.980 --> 00:18:05.880
How can you say she's dreadful?

479
00:18:05.940 --> 00:18:06.779
She's lovely.

480
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Is that a woman?

481
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I want to, sorry.

482
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She's a space woman.

483
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Yes, space woman.

484
00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:15.660
I want to place her. the blue eye shadow?

485
00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:18.420
Oh, these drones and knives are there of some sort of problem.

486
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We're dirty fighters we fighters.

487
00:18:19.859 --> 00:18:21.660
We fight we, he said.

488
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They're all a bit surly and countenanced, aren't they?

489
00:18:25.799 --> 00:18:26.579
She's lovely.

490
00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:30.660
She put up that DIY home stores shared all by herself.

491
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Fabulous tertiary children.

492
00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:34.440
You know they left her to do the washing up as well.

493
00:18:34.500 --> 00:18:37.259
Yeah, I do like that they specify she's a civilian and that's why

494
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her uniforms are different colour.

495
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And lower cut. has cups built in.

496
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I just like that they look like they all really like a drink.

497
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These are heavy going space persons.

498
00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:48.119
MSC?

499
00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:49.799
Galloway certainly does, doesn't he?

500
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Doesn't he, though?

501
00:18:50.579 --> 00:18:52.140
Ooh, hello.

502
00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:53.460
Giant nose.

503
00:18:53.460 --> 00:18:57.000
And they're like M. They're all wearing Federation emblems.

504
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Golly gosh, they are too.

505
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So I think that must have been specified in Terry's script that it

506
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was a sideways chevron on a circle, and of course, 4 years later

507
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he's just gone.

508
00:19:07.500 --> 00:19:10.559
Oh, a sideways chevron in a circle. a wonderful idea.

509
00:19:10.619 --> 00:19:12.660
I haven't used that before.

510
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He, uh, it has been remarked before that uh, this is an expedition

511
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of middle class white people.

512
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Galloway who...

513
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He has a slightly working class accent, so he's the bad guy.

514
00:19:26.339 --> 00:19:30.839
It's like, it's the racial politics of survivors, essentially

515
00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:32.400
transplanted to deep space.

516
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Oh, sacrificed.

517
00:19:34.619 --> 00:19:37.740
Oh, and there's a plague, a space plague, of course.

518
00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:40.619
So we need to get some space medicine.

519
00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:42.480
So it is another one of his obsession.

520
00:19:42.539 --> 00:19:44.940
Is there radiation on this planet, though?

521
00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:45.960
No, there isn't.

522
00:19:46.019 --> 00:19:49.380
Do you think when the TARDIS scans the environment, it also

523
00:19:49.380 --> 00:19:52.859
chooses the doctor's outfit because his piping matches beautifully

524
00:19:52.859 --> 00:19:54.900
all the edging in their little space tent?

525
00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:56.700
This is my favourite John outfit.

526
00:19:56.759 --> 00:19:59.579
If I ever, if I ever cosplay as John, this is the outfit I want to

527
00:19:59.579 --> 00:20:00.059
represent.

528
00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:01.740
It's a nice...

529
00:20:01.740 --> 00:20:02.759
Yeah, yeah.

530
00:20:02.819 --> 00:20:03.420
Yeah.

531
00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:06.180
And we don't get crossfades often in...

532
00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:08.099
Oh, I love that. gorgeous.

533
00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:12.539
And, you know, for once, making this sort of tiny part of the

534
00:20:12.539 --> 00:20:15.480
whole visually it matches and you believe she's actually at the

535
00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:16.619
base of this massive building.

536
00:20:16.680 --> 00:20:17.039
Do you?

537
00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:19.680
I do.

538
00:20:19.740 --> 00:20:23.160
I believe I'm believing as a nine-year-old boy.

539
00:20:23.579 --> 00:20:25.440
I love that outfit.

540
00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:32.759
I like this, you still got stuff on a bum. glows there. wailing.

541
00:20:32.819 --> 00:20:35.339
It's front axial projection, which is the way that they make

542
00:20:35.339 --> 00:20:36.059
the...

543
00:20:36.059 --> 00:20:36.839
The stuff on her bum.

544
00:20:36.900 --> 00:20:39.599
Whether they make the nemesis statue.

545
00:20:39.720 --> 00:20:40.500
It is, yes.

546
00:20:40.559 --> 00:20:43.079
It's a real practical effect.

547
00:20:43.140 --> 00:20:48.299
But it has to have a Liz Sladen as strontium 90 to set it off.

548
00:20:48.299 --> 00:20:48.779
She sells it.

549
00:20:48.839 --> 00:20:50.519
I mean, that's the thing.

550
00:20:50.579 --> 00:20:51.119
She really does.

551
00:20:51.180 --> 00:20:53.220
That's something people actually don't know.

552
00:20:53.279 --> 00:20:55.500
It's not Fiona Walker in the nemesis statue.

553
00:20:55.559 --> 00:20:56.640
It's Liz Slaton.

554
00:20:57.059 --> 00:20:58.440
Really?

555
00:20:59.220 --> 00:21:01.740
I thought it was Deborah Whatley.

556
00:21:01.799 --> 00:21:05.460
It's usually Debbie Waddling or and or Eileen.

557
00:21:05.460 --> 00:21:06.960
I can't I can't edit out.

558
00:21:07.019 --> 00:21:08.519
That Deborah Watling joke, top.

559
00:21:08.579 --> 00:21:11.579
That one has to stay in as opposed to the ones you make all the

560
00:21:11.579 --> 00:21:12.900
rest. never do that.

561
00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:14.279
I never, ever do that.

562
00:21:14.339 --> 00:21:14.940
I love you.

563
00:21:17.099 --> 00:21:20.339
It reminds me of when the crinoid.

564
00:21:20.400 --> 00:21:21.720
Remember the crinoid at the end.

565
00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:23.039
Love the wibbly.

566
00:21:24.059 --> 00:21:27.839
Yeah, wibbly wobbly crinoid. a puppy at home, dear listener, that

567
00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:29.160
does exactly the same thing.

568
00:21:29.220 --> 00:21:31.200
That food looks so unhappy.

569
00:21:31.259 --> 00:21:33.299
I think we should we're all going to go to IKEA for lunch after

570
00:21:33.299 --> 00:21:33.720
this.

571
00:21:33.779 --> 00:21:34.799
Wait, wait.

572
00:21:34.859 --> 00:21:35.640
What was it?

573
00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:36.900
perenium.

574
00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:37.859
Yes.

575
00:21:37.859 --> 00:21:42.960
It's a it's a vital part of a balanced diet is uranium.

576
00:21:43.019 --> 00:21:44.039
It's actually priceless.

577
00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:47.700
Jill's just fucking the food in, isn't she?

578
00:21:47.759 --> 00:21:48.720
She's not even bothering.

579
00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:50.460
A bit of Deb, some hot water.

580
00:21:50.519 --> 00:21:53.519
Yeah, well, I mean, the problem is sometimes your pranium is

581
00:21:53.519 --> 00:21:53.880
tainted.

582
00:21:54.839 --> 00:21:56.880
Or there's sand in it.

583
00:21:56.940 --> 00:21:58.079
There's some...

584
00:21:58.079 --> 00:22:00.359
Armageddon.

585
00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:06.779
Farmageddon, who, um, has a great YouTube channel.

586
00:22:06.839 --> 00:22:09.480
He does the 5 doctors recut.

587
00:22:09.539 --> 00:22:14.039
He also did the new special effects on the Day of the Dalek

588
00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:14.579
special edition.

589
00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:17.700
He has a very early piece of his work, which is this scene just

590
00:22:17.700 --> 00:22:19.380
dubbed over with farting noises.

591
00:22:20.220 --> 00:22:25.319
But he, I believe he's also done that cliffhanger from the Seeds

592
00:22:25.319 --> 00:22:30.119
of Doom, but when the crinoid is rushing towards the camera, it

593
00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:31.859
just goes, boy, yo, yo, yo, yo.

594
00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:36.000
Because it is death by mattress, isn't it?

595
00:22:36.059 --> 00:22:37.859
It looks like some sort of ravioli or something.

596
00:22:37.920 --> 00:22:39.119
I can't really tell.

597
00:22:40.019 --> 00:22:42.480
I just thought it was mash, yeah.

598
00:22:42.539 --> 00:22:45.839
They haven't even dyed at green and dotted on Adam Blackwood.

599
00:22:45.900 --> 00:22:47.880
I do like John's outfit in this story.

600
00:22:47.940 --> 00:22:49.740
It's my absolute favourite.

601
00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:52.380
And I've broken my action figure of it.

602
00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:54.180
No, it's not.

603
00:22:54.240 --> 00:22:56.400
It's actually one of John's own lovely pieces.

604
00:22:56.460 --> 00:22:58.259
It's a magnifying glasses.

605
00:22:58.319 --> 00:23:02.640
It's an antique monocle on a with a clasp.

606
00:23:02.700 --> 00:23:03.839
Just like being afterward.

607
00:23:03.900 --> 00:23:06.599
Everyone's looking at a completely different part of the sky.

608
00:23:06.660 --> 00:23:08.640
CSO is not great.

609
00:23:08.700 --> 00:23:10.920
But that was again part of the buzz.

610
00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:12.180
But then there you go.

611
00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:13.380
That's good. loved it.

612
00:23:13.440 --> 00:23:17.940
Oh, like, literally, John Abeneri's looking over there.

613
00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:19.380
Jill's looking over there.

614
00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:23.579
Tom falls off the...

615
00:23:23.579 --> 00:23:25.680
Don't trust any of those rocks.

616
00:23:26.279 --> 00:23:28.980
Has he been in the show before, this dude?

617
00:23:29.099 --> 00:23:29.819
groaning?

618
00:23:30.539 --> 00:23:32.700
Yes, it's Matt groaning.

619
00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:35.640
No idea.

620
00:23:35.700 --> 00:23:36.539
Let's have a look.

621
00:23:36.599 --> 00:23:41.940
Commander Stewart is played by Neil C. knee hinto.

622
00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:45.359
Oh, I love all these excellent and they're googly eyes.

623
00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:46.500
Yeah, they look good.

624
00:23:46.500 --> 00:23:47.400
And they're chanting.

625
00:23:47.460 --> 00:23:50.099
They're fantastic. really, really scary.

626
00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:53.039
Okay, but I now realise it's not okre, it's something else, the

627
00:23:53.039 --> 00:23:53.759
reason that he's read.

628
00:23:53.819 --> 00:23:57.059
And dear listeners, if you're careful, you'll see all 4 of us

629
00:23:57.059 --> 00:23:58.140
behind those bars.

630
00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:04.079
And I like the fact that I can speak English.

631
00:24:04.200 --> 00:24:06.059
But, of course, the TARDIS is translating.

632
00:24:06.119 --> 00:24:10.079
No, everyone in the galaxy speaks English except for people who

633
00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:12.299
are non-English speakers on earth.

634
00:24:12.359 --> 00:24:14.160
Dona Rana.

635
00:24:14.220 --> 00:24:14.880
We discovered that.

636
00:24:14.940 --> 00:24:17.880
Actually, Todd, your eagle eye is correct.

637
00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:22.259
Neil Sealer has appeared previously in Doctor Who.

638
00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:27.720
He was in the sea devils as the beardy radio operator, who is who

639
00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:30.660
is back at the base with Captain Hart and Corporal Blythe.

640
00:24:32.339 --> 00:24:34.619
I found this really scary.

641
00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:37.200
Oh, yeah, this is a sacrifice.

642
00:24:37.259 --> 00:24:39.240
And again, that's so standard.

643
00:24:39.299 --> 00:24:43.079
I think at some point I said that we had to have a moratorium on

644
00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:45.539
people being sacrificed to Doctor Who.

645
00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:46.619
It was really tiresome.

646
00:24:46.680 --> 00:24:51.180
But he just does it so confidently, he puts all of these sort of B

647
00:24:51.180 --> 00:24:56.940
movie science fiction tropes together and just creates really fun

648
00:24:56.940 --> 00:24:58.019
action, I think.

649
00:24:58.079 --> 00:25:01.680
The Daleks invented thermo mixes, you about to say.

650
00:25:01.740 --> 00:25:04.619
I think the other thing that really helps...

651
00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:08.279
The excellons both look and sound incredibly alien.

652
00:25:08.339 --> 00:25:11.400
You can suspend belief for a moment that there's not just a little

653
00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:12.420
Welsh bloke under there.

654
00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:16.859
And here they come.

655
00:25:16.920 --> 00:25:17.700
This is exciting.

656
00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:19.140
It's the end of episode one.

657
00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:21.000
What do we think is coming out?

658
00:25:21.059 --> 00:25:22.440
Three Blind Mice, according to the school.

659
00:25:24.180 --> 00:25:26.579
Oh, aren't they pretty too?

660
00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:31.619
Now, the thing is, it's quite obvious that John took a shining to

661
00:25:31.619 --> 00:25:34.559
Joy Stewart in this moment because immediately he sort of, he

662
00:25:34.559 --> 00:25:37.259
clutches her like, like Joe or Sarah.

663
00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:38.759
He clutches her what?

664
00:25:38.819 --> 00:25:39.420
Yes.

665
00:25:39.480 --> 00:25:40.380
Oh I see.

666
00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:42.180
He clutches her.

667
00:25:42.180 --> 00:25:43.500
He clutches her peranium.

668
00:25:43.559 --> 00:25:46.200
See, I just think that would have been so much better if it was

669
00:25:46.200 --> 00:25:47.880
called the excellence and we didn't know it was coming.

670
00:25:47.940 --> 00:25:48.599
Yeah, yeah.

671
00:25:48.660 --> 00:25:54.000
I actually, I actually like the the frisson of anticipation for

672
00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:57.480
Daleks appearing at the end of episode one of the Terry Nation

673
00:25:57.480 --> 00:25:58.259
Dalek story.

674
00:25:58.319 --> 00:26:01.140
They've all been called something of the Daleks except for the

675
00:26:01.140 --> 00:26:01.559
chase.

676
00:26:01.740 --> 00:26:03.059
Yes.

677
00:26:03.059 --> 00:26:04.799
Yeah, so they've all had Daleks at the time.

678
00:26:04.859 --> 00:26:05.880
Lovely Michael Wisher.

679
00:26:05.940 --> 00:26:08.880
And that episode one reveal is just sort of wonderful.

680
00:26:08.940 --> 00:26:12.059
I think it's slightly spoiled by the fact that we hold on the

681
00:26:12.059 --> 00:26:14.099
garlic gum not working for quite a while.

682
00:26:14.579 --> 00:26:15.240
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

683
00:26:15.299 --> 00:26:16.380
I don't know.

684
00:26:16.440 --> 00:26:19.380
It's the London saxophone.

685
00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:20.940
They're so wonderful.

686
00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:22.920
Led by Kerry Blyton.

687
00:26:22.980 --> 00:26:26.880
Mind the fact that the gun is firing because I, as a kid, just

688
00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:28.740
thought that was going to fire and we were just getting that point

689
00:26:28.740 --> 00:26:29.400
of view shot.

690
00:26:29.460 --> 00:26:31.140
So I actually think it's quite, you know.

691
00:26:31.140 --> 00:26:34.440
Brian, is that the way you spell his name, Michael?

692
00:26:34.500 --> 00:26:35.519
Yeah, yeah, I thought it had a wine.

693
00:26:35.579 --> 00:26:37.559
No, it's not like Nicola Bryant or Peter Bryant?

694
00:26:37.619 --> 00:26:38.099
Oh, okay.

695
00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:38.400
Yeah.

696
00:26:38.460 --> 00:26:40.019
P with episode two?

697
00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:42.059
Can I just say I love these opening titles?

698
00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:43.500
Yeah, still.

699
00:26:43.500 --> 00:26:44.880
I didn't know that.

700
00:26:44.940 --> 00:26:46.859
You might hear that a few more times.

701
00:26:46.920 --> 00:26:48.359
No they are my favourite.

702
00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:50.400
It's got a John Pertie shaped tunnel.

703
00:26:50.519 --> 00:26:51.359
Yeah, awesome.

704
00:26:52.019 --> 00:26:53.759
Steady on.

705
00:26:54.839 --> 00:26:59.099
And the Futura Black thing or Futura Extra Bowl.

706
00:26:59.099 --> 00:27:00.180
It's very style.

707
00:27:00.299 --> 00:27:01.259
Yes, it is.

708
00:27:01.380 --> 00:27:04.140
I remember being a bit disappointed when it went away at the start

709
00:27:04.140 --> 00:27:09.059
of Mask of Mandraga, which just goes to typographical nerd.

710
00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:10.740
I was already at the age of sort of 12.

711
00:27:14.819 --> 00:27:17.039
I love the doctor in this bit.

712
00:27:17.099 --> 00:27:18.960
He's like, oh, I think we're not dead.

713
00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:22.200
Is this the 1st time?

714
00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:23.940
Oh, they do look a bit rough, don't they?

715
00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:25.619
Do you love the one in the background?

716
00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:26.819
There it is.

717
00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:31.799
Just standing there. there's no one in it This is actually my this

718
00:27:31.799 --> 00:27:34.559
is my favourite classic series Dalek livery.

719
00:27:34.619 --> 00:27:37.319
Is it the only time they look like this?

720
00:27:37.380 --> 00:27:39.779
It's the only time they're silver and black.

721
00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:42.299
They'll become various shades of gray after now.

722
00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:43.740
But that does look great.

723
00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:44.579
Was this Colin?

724
00:27:44.579 --> 00:27:48.240
I think they look much better than the previous 2 times we've seen

725
00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:48.420
it.

726
00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:48.960
Yeah, yeah.

727
00:27:49.019 --> 00:27:52.019
But they still are sort of a bit beaten up, aren't they?

728
00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:58.200
Well, apparently, um, new props were made for Planet of the Daleks

729
00:27:58.200 --> 00:28:00.660
but Barry was really disappointed with them.

730
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:04.920
So the 3 hero props from this date from the 60s and the other one

731
00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:07.500
who you see in the background there with no one in it, and will

732
00:28:07.500 --> 00:28:12.599
later have an operator in it, is one from Planet of the Daleks.

733
00:28:12.660 --> 00:28:13.200
It was made for that.

734
00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:14.519
What wrong with them?

735
00:28:14.579 --> 00:28:17.940
Um, I'm not exactly sure.

736
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:21.240
Just, you know, visually, I can't exactly tell.

737
00:28:21.299 --> 00:28:22.200
They were just slightly different.

738
00:28:22.259 --> 00:28:25.319
I think the drinks dispenser inside wasn't working. and the

739
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:26.220
operators were complaining.

740
00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:29.160
I think also the angles were slightly different.

741
00:28:29.220 --> 00:28:32.339
So it's a matter of, you know, if you see them in the background

742
00:28:32.339 --> 00:28:32.940
you're okay.

743
00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:34.920
The Darling dome nearly sort of comes off.

744
00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:37.019
They get very heated in there, don't they?

745
00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:40.859
Yeah, I think they wouldn't make they wouldn't make any new props

746
00:28:40.859 --> 00:28:44.220
again until Resurrection of the Daleks, I believe.

747
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:44.640
Right.

748
00:28:44.700 --> 00:28:48.359
Yeah, they're really, really looking seriously beat up by destiny

749
00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:49.319
of the Daleks, aren't they?

750
00:28:49.380 --> 00:28:50.099
Yeah, yeah.

751
00:28:50.339 --> 00:28:51.900
You know what?

752
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:55.500
They could have done a spinoff series with this space plague and

753
00:28:55.500 --> 00:28:58.619
the Marine Space Corps, they call themselves and this dynamic

754
00:28:58.619 --> 00:28:59.640
character.

755
00:28:59.700 --> 00:29:02.579
A lot of space white people catching a disease.

756
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:04.019
Just 12 episodes.

757
00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:07.440
That's all we need And then they're all horribly murdered at the

758
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:09.359
end. especially Jill Tarrant.

759
00:29:09.420 --> 00:29:10.259
Rogue one.

760
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:12.119
No, Jill's got to live.

761
00:29:12.180 --> 00:29:13.859
She's going to be the glamorous, you know.

762
00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:17.339
Someone needs to add the boiling water to the instant mash.

763
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:19.319
A thorny weaver character.

764
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:22.799
She's a proto-sagornia.

765
00:29:22.859 --> 00:29:24.180
Oh, sacrificer.

766
00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:25.559
I love them.

767
00:29:25.619 --> 00:29:26.460
Look at their eyes.

768
00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:30.119
That is the big red one is Moisten Evans.

769
00:29:30.180 --> 00:29:31.559
Moisten?

770
00:29:31.619 --> 00:29:31.980
Yeah.

771
00:29:31.980 --> 00:29:35.099
Who was Di Evans in the Green Death?

772
00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:36.299
Oh, wow.

773
00:29:36.359 --> 00:29:37.619
He was green in that one.

774
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:38.400
He's read in this.

775
00:29:38.460 --> 00:29:38.940
Yes.

776
00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:42.359
Oh, the wee salt shakers.

777
00:29:42.900 --> 00:29:46.740
And all of the Dalek voices in this story are done by Michael

778
00:29:46.740 --> 00:29:47.519
Wisher.

779
00:29:47.579 --> 00:29:48.420
He doing all of them.

780
00:29:48.539 --> 00:29:51.839
I actually don't like his Dalek voices that much.

781
00:29:51.900 --> 00:29:54.539
I really seriously dislike Roy Skelton.

782
00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:55.380
It's terrible.

783
00:29:55.440 --> 00:30:00.180
Um, I don't know why we can't have nice things like uh, David

784
00:30:00.180 --> 00:30:03.240
Graham and help me out.

785
00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:04.259
Peter Hawkins.

786
00:30:04.259 --> 00:30:04.859
Peter Hawkins.

787
00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:06.599
David Graham still alive.

788
00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:08.460
I know he's still going Parker.

789
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:11.880
Yeah, he's playing Parker and Thunderbirds and he's...

790
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:12.599
See?

791
00:30:12.660 --> 00:30:14.759
Three of them are talking and then one of them is just standing

792
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:15.960
there asleep.

793
00:30:16.019 --> 00:30:17.039
He's on a break.

794
00:30:17.819 --> 00:30:19.740
He's just standing.

795
00:30:19.740 --> 00:30:21.000
The chemical...

796
00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:21.720
The chemical again.

797
00:30:24.539 --> 00:30:26.819
And we, it is understorm.

798
00:30:26.819 --> 00:30:27.960
What's called terranium?

799
00:30:28.019 --> 00:30:29.640
We've had that...

800
00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:31.200
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

801
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:34.140
Which was originally viterranium, but they thought that that one

802
00:30:34.140 --> 00:30:36.480
extra syllable would be too hard for William Hartnold to

803
00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:36.720
pronounce.

804
00:30:36.779 --> 00:30:37.980
Yes.

805
00:30:37.980 --> 00:30:41.099
But I mean, it's essentially the magic chemical named after Terry

806
00:30:41.099 --> 00:30:41.819
Nation himself.

807
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:42.539
Yes.

808
00:30:43.079 --> 00:30:44.039
Shadow.

809
00:30:44.099 --> 00:30:44.640
It's shadow.

810
00:30:44.700 --> 00:30:47.039
Like Sarah Kingdom and Terry Nation.

811
00:30:47.099 --> 00:30:49.380
Jill Tarrant.

812
00:30:49.380 --> 00:30:50.579
I'm just learning to Jill Tarrant.

813
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:52.859
She doesn't look fabulous.

814
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:54.180
Dell Terrence's mother.

815
00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:55.500
Not many people know.

816
00:30:56.759 --> 00:31:00.539
But strangely enough, not Dev Terrence, mother.

817
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:03.599
They are actually dressed in the uniforms of the Terahawks, aren't

818
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:03.779
they?

819
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:05.579
Terrahawks.

820
00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:07.799
That's the other thing David Graham's still doing. big finish.

821
00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:11.759
People spend all their time making nice things and then other

822
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:13.500
people come along and smash them up.

823
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:15.240
It's pretty sad.

824
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:18.240
Oh, they, well, they left on some leak.

825
00:31:18.299 --> 00:31:19.740
They left a leak.

826
00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:21.539
I think...

827
00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:24.180
I thought you could see the tracks in the corner of that shop.

828
00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:25.019
You can.

829
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:29.460
That, well, that was that was my Michael Bryant's solution.

830
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:31.980
He's like, oh, you can't really take Daleks across that uneven

831
00:31:31.980 --> 00:31:32.460
ground.

832
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:33.779
We'll put some rails down.

833
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:36.839
And it does mean you get some good shots of them going at it

834
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:37.740
fairly.

835
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:41.099
But it's like K 9 when he sort of trundles along and then gets on

836
00:31:41.099 --> 00:31:43.019
his rails and goes, yeah, yeah, exactly.

837
00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:43.380
Yeah.

838
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:45.240
Go and push him off.

839
00:31:45.299 --> 00:31:46.920
They're like cats, aren't they, Daleks?

840
00:31:46.980 --> 00:31:48.660
You know they're going to push the other one.

841
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:51.960
Yeah, yeah, it is. and it's a fabulous use of quarry.

842
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:55.500
And standing by himself.

843
00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:56.460
I wonder what's going to happen.

844
00:31:57.059 --> 00:32:00.660
Although, you know, YouTube have to ask why the hell is he

845
00:32:00.660 --> 00:32:01.500
standing by himself?

846
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:05.220
It's a bit of overcasting too, isn't it, having John Abaneri in it

847
00:32:05.220 --> 00:32:06.599
for essentially one episode?

848
00:32:06.660 --> 00:32:09.660
Oh, I think...

849
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:10.920
Ow, that really hurts.

850
00:32:10.980 --> 00:32:14.700
I think, you know, as we've identified before.

851
00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:17.400
It's kind of what's now known as the Deep Blue Sea casting.

852
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:20.640
When Samuel Jackson's casted Deep Blue Sea, gives a massive speech

853
00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:23.160
about how they're all going to get out and then is eaten by a

854
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:23.400
shark.

855
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:26.519
We've referenced that before and it is great.

856
00:32:26.579 --> 00:32:31.200
The AV club this week had when good scenes happened to bad movies

857
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:32.819
and that was like number one.

858
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:36.420
I like the fact that, you know, Jill is concerned.

859
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:37.799
Yes, yeah.

860
00:32:37.859 --> 00:32:39.539
There's yeah, there's a bit of humanity there.

861
00:32:40.619 --> 00:32:45.359
And they're nice little dugout pit that's just waiting for them in

862
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:46.920
a couple of those shots.

863
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:49.740
And stage hands throwing arrows.

864
00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:52.440
No, it's good.

865
00:32:52.500 --> 00:32:53.400
I love this.

866
00:32:53.460 --> 00:32:56.339
Have you ever done archery, Brandon?

867
00:32:56.400 --> 00:33:00.420
Oh, at school camp years ago, years and years and years ago.

868
00:33:00.539 --> 00:33:01.019
You good?

869
00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:02.880
Um I hit the target.

870
00:33:02.940 --> 00:33:04.500
I've never managed that.

871
00:33:04.500 --> 00:33:06.059
Uniquely terrible at it.

872
00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:07.980
It's quite challenging.

873
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:10.980
They want an autograph.

874
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:18.000
Who's your favourite monster?

875
00:33:21.059 --> 00:33:21.839
Thanks for that.

876
00:33:21.900 --> 00:33:25.380
Will you read this?

877
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:26.460
the bitch.

878
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:31.380
Yeah, and oh.

879
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:38.460
Okay, and I love how they all react to this and they, you know

880
00:33:38.460 --> 00:33:39.180
they actually get angry.

881
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:42.539
They're not just, I mean, they are faceless aliens in a way

882
00:33:42.539 --> 00:33:46.680
because they don't have faces. but they're not just cyphers.

883
00:33:46.740 --> 00:33:47.579
Yes, Richard?

884
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:51.000
They are kind of, you know, indigenous people.

885
00:33:51.059 --> 00:33:53.279
There is a kind of racism to it, obviously.

886
00:33:53.339 --> 00:33:55.380
But that's part of the genre.

887
00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:56.579
There's an effort to give them character.

888
00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:57.960
You enjoying this, Richard?

889
00:33:58.140 --> 00:33:59.579
I am.

890
00:34:02.819 --> 00:34:05.880
I had a couple of jokes, but you were all going so well.

891
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:09.599
See, that's an interesting shot that we haven't...

892
00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:12.239
Oh, I'm losing control. losing control.

893
00:34:12.300 --> 00:34:17.039
Running around with an old, um, inner tube of mum's elf foil doing

894
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:17.760
the same thing.

895
00:34:17.820 --> 00:34:18.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

896
00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:19.500
I used to do that.

897
00:34:20.940 --> 00:34:25.260
And yeah, why, why does, why does the Dalek being whacked with

898
00:34:25.260 --> 00:34:28.860
some bows to decide, I'm gonna explode.

899
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:32.340
He's had enough his contracts off, but he's looking forward to

900
00:34:32.340 --> 00:34:35.159
appearing on the front cover of the novelisation, I think, at this

901
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:36.119
point. true.

902
00:34:36.539 --> 00:34:40.800
Well, did you think at the time, well, the excellence, I know, we

903
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:41.940
were all such little proto notes.

904
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:43.980
The excellent city affects all power systems.

905
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:47.579
Daleks may seem to have some kind of psychokinetic system, but a

906
00:34:47.579 --> 00:34:50.760
lot of their other systems are based on, we assume, some form of

907
00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:53.159
electricity, so they're more prone to injury.

908
00:34:53.219 --> 00:34:54.900
You know, that is a good point.

909
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:56.340
I hadn't considered that and that works.

910
00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:59.519
You know how children rationalise what they watch because they get

911
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:00.659
a bit too involved.

912
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:03.960
But but also, you know, Terry Nation was dead against the Daleks

913
00:35:03.960 --> 00:35:04.860
appearing weak.

914
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:06.780
So I think you're I think you're onto something there.

915
00:35:07.739 --> 00:35:11.699
As far as we know, it's only their movement that I love the

916
00:35:11.699 --> 00:35:13.320
psychokinetic thing and the Daleks.

917
00:35:13.380 --> 00:35:14.880
That needs a whole lot more exploration.

918
00:35:14.940 --> 00:35:15.960
Hello, big finish.

919
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:18.059
Or perhaps we can just leave it where it is.

920
00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:20.099
Till looks very unimpressed here.

921
00:35:20.699 --> 00:35:25.260
It is a bit of a throwaway line just to say why it's only their

922
00:35:25.260 --> 00:35:26.940
guns that aren't affected, isn't it?

923
00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:32.039
But also the human brain uses electricity.

924
00:35:32.099 --> 00:35:33.300
So why are we not all affected?

925
00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:34.739
We probably are.

926
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:37.800
That was a plot point in a recent episode I watched of Space

927
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:38.940
1999.

928
00:35:38.940 --> 00:35:40.559
The Bringers of Wonder.

929
00:35:40.619 --> 00:35:42.119
Is that the one written by Pip and Jane?

930
00:35:42.179 --> 00:35:43.679
No, no.

931
00:35:43.739 --> 00:35:45.000
It's a few episodes after that.

932
00:35:45.059 --> 00:35:46.800
See, it's not too bad.

933
00:35:46.860 --> 00:35:48.000
Yeah I think that's okay.

934
00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:50.880
He's really trying to mask having to do that.

935
00:35:50.940 --> 00:35:54.300
Yeah, but yeah, again, he's putting stuff in the foreground and in

936
00:35:54.300 --> 00:35:54.599
the background.

937
00:35:54.900 --> 00:35:59.460
We have not always been fans of Mr. Bryant's work in the past, have

938
00:35:59.460 --> 00:35:59.699
we?

939
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:01.380
What else is he responsible for?

940
00:36:02.099 --> 00:36:02.639
on.

941
00:36:02.699 --> 00:36:07.199
Um, yeah, sea devils, this robots of death.

942
00:36:07.260 --> 00:36:08.579
He has done more than that, though.

943
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:12.659
Poor Sarah has been here for a very long time. been harassed by

944
00:36:12.659 --> 00:36:13.260
these guys.

945
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:14.159
She has, hasn't she?

946
00:36:14.219 --> 00:36:15.239
Off her face by now, though.

947
00:36:15.300 --> 00:36:18.179
Well, she's from 1974, 80 slash.

948
00:36:18.300 --> 00:36:18.719
So...

949
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:20.639
He's probably used to it.

950
00:36:20.699 --> 00:36:22.260
Probably just a normal Saturday night.

951
00:36:22.380 --> 00:36:26.760
Yeah, hanging around the pop plants at home, you know, craming her

952
00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:27.119
life away.

953
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:31.860
So Michael Bryant does Colony in Space, the Sea Devils, the Green

954
00:36:31.860 --> 00:36:32.219
Death.

955
00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:37.980
Death to the Daleks, Revenge of the Cyberman, and the Robots of

956
00:36:37.980 --> 00:36:38.280
Death.

957
00:36:38.340 --> 00:36:40.980
So I'd probably say in their colony in space and revenge of the

958
00:36:40.980 --> 00:36:43.679
cybermen are the ones that have great location work, but not so

959
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:44.340
great studio.

960
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:45.480
But the rest are good.

961
00:36:45.539 --> 00:36:47.159
You're right about the studio difference.

962
00:36:47.219 --> 00:36:48.599
But really, is that is that fair?

963
00:36:48.659 --> 00:36:50.639
I think he does a terrific draw.

964
00:36:50.699 --> 00:36:51.300
Oh, hello.

965
00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:53.340
She is to be sacrificed.

966
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:54.480
Oh, hey, right.

967
00:36:54.539 --> 00:36:56.039
Ow.

968
00:36:56.099 --> 00:36:58.019
You chopped me in the crotch.

969
00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:00.119
I'm an alien. or is it Terry?

970
00:37:00.179 --> 00:37:01.320
Terry, isn't it?

971
00:37:01.860 --> 00:37:03.599
That'd be terrible.

972
00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:04.679
The hair looks convincing.

973
00:37:04.739 --> 00:37:07.800
But then again, John's back pain was particularly bad by this

974
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:08.039
point.

975
00:37:08.099 --> 00:37:11.579
And he was bored, like anytime he's not facing the camera.

976
00:37:11.699 --> 00:37:12.960
Very Walsh, frankly.

977
00:37:14.340 --> 00:37:17.340
Again, some handheld stuff or whatever.

978
00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:18.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

979
00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:20.280
There's some good POV work in this.

980
00:37:20.340 --> 00:37:21.300
That's good.

981
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:21.900
Yeah.

982
00:37:21.900 --> 00:37:24.480
More focus onto Sarah?

983
00:37:24.539 --> 00:37:26.579
Yeah, Sarah's taking the vapours.

984
00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:28.139
Oh, vaping.

985
00:37:29.460 --> 00:37:32.340
They won't let her vape at the mall anymore.

986
00:37:33.059 --> 00:37:36.599
She has to go to a whole other space planet.

987
00:37:36.659 --> 00:37:39.000
Johnny's lying down with his leg up.

988
00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:45.840
Jill's making sure Sarah's okay.

989
00:37:45.900 --> 00:37:50.039
We haven't signed Edgar Rice Burrows yet, but when I was thinking

990
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:52.800
of John Carter of Mars, that's the writer I was trying to think

991
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:53.039
of.

992
00:37:53.099 --> 00:37:54.420
And of course, the Tarzan stories.

993
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:55.619
Is there a lot of Tarzan in this?

994
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:56.519
Well there's a lot of roots.

995
00:37:56.579 --> 00:37:58.860
Let's have another female Sarah can talk to.

996
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:01.320
Yes, oh, there we go.

997
00:38:01.380 --> 00:38:01.920
We had a moment.

998
00:38:01.980 --> 00:38:04.199
Were the girls talking about boys?

999
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:05.159
Probably.

1000
00:38:05.219 --> 00:38:08.400
They are there, but later they will be talking about piraniums.

1001
00:38:08.460 --> 00:38:10.559
I'm still boyish.

1002
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:16.739
This is this bit shocked me as a child.

1003
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:24.119
The, um, uh, just Galloway's incredible kind of, um, uh, you know

1004
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:28.500
pragmatism and his refusal to listen to the captain about how he's

1005
00:38:28.500 --> 00:38:32.760
unfit to command, but it is very Terry Nation, and it is something

1006
00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:35.219
that Terry, you know, does all the time.

1007
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:38.340
It's very Blake 7, you know, the sort of ruthless character.

1008
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:43.380
But just as a 10 year old, you know, I'd never seen people behave

1009
00:38:43.380 --> 00:38:46.679
like that and was terribly shocked by how amoral.

1010
00:38:46.739 --> 00:38:47.340
He's seemed to be.

1011
00:38:47.460 --> 00:38:49.500
I like his arc.

1012
00:38:49.619 --> 00:38:51.539
I think he does a great job.

1013
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:52.980
Oh, yes, yes.

1014
00:38:53.039 --> 00:39:00.000
I mean, it is, um, Well, you know, I agree with you as a kid, like

1015
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:02.519
to see this character sort of just disregard the commander and

1016
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:05.579
just, you know, do it for himself, really.

1017
00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:07.559
Yeah, and it's like his dying wish.

1018
00:39:07.619 --> 00:39:10.139
It's the commander's dying words and he ignores them.

1019
00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:11.159
It seems so shocking.

1020
00:39:11.219 --> 00:39:14.639
But, you know, he has a real pragmatism because he wants to save

1021
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:19.559
the completely imaginary offscreen people who are suffering from

1022
00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:20.579
this terrible disease.

1023
00:39:20.579 --> 00:39:24.840
And so he's just looking at it from a different moral

1024
00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:25.500
perspective.

1025
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:27.239
And he sacrifices himself?

1026
00:39:27.300 --> 00:39:29.460
Spoiler alert. to save them all.

1027
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:31.559
I like that conversation with Sarah.

1028
00:39:31.619 --> 00:39:33.900
John just... like the pace of this.

1029
00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:35.219
The whole thing feels.

1030
00:39:35.699 --> 00:39:37.800
But I think it's from really this season.

1031
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:41.699
Well, last year and this year, the pace is certainly you can watch

1032
00:39:41.699 --> 00:39:43.320
a lot of these things now quite easily.

1033
00:39:43.380 --> 00:39:45.420
Except for Monster of Paladon.

1034
00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:46.920
Oh, I'm Planet of the Daleks.

1035
00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:48.000
I'm Plan of the Daleks.

1036
00:39:48.059 --> 00:39:49.260
So the 6 parties are still a trial.

1037
00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:51.780
But the fore part is very watchable.

1038
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:53.340
It's a naturalistic pace.

1039
00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:55.860
I know it is more contemporary, but...

1040
00:39:56.159 --> 00:39:57.840
It gives the actors time.

1041
00:39:57.900 --> 00:39:59.099
I love that.

1042
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:01.139
Yes, they did comedy.

1043
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:02.099
But did we just...

1044
00:40:02.099 --> 00:40:03.719
Daleks are making those.

1045
00:40:03.780 --> 00:40:07.019
We just want the term space chums.

1046
00:40:09.059 --> 00:40:11.639
That's that's peak Terry.

1047
00:40:11.699 --> 00:40:12.480
Classic Terry.

1048
00:40:12.539 --> 00:40:14.760
But you're right, but you're right, Richard.

1049
00:40:14.820 --> 00:40:17.579
There is a Dalek somewhere whose job is to make the miniature

1050
00:40:17.579 --> 00:40:19.860
TARDIS. and all the other Daleks laugh at him, but he's like

1051
00:40:19.860 --> 00:40:22.199
Sigourney Weaver in Galaxy Quest.

1052
00:40:22.260 --> 00:40:25.619
I've got one job on this ship and it's stupid, but I'm gonna do

1053
00:40:25.619 --> 00:40:25.739
it.

1054
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:28.320
Ah, yes.

1055
00:40:28.980 --> 00:40:30.420
Sorry.

1056
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:33.000
We're back But didn't you cheer too?

1057
00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:35.639
Oh, yeah. come back with guns like, yeah, and I do like those

1058
00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:36.960
little pointy-pokey gun things.

1059
00:40:37.019 --> 00:40:40.139
They look like something your dad would use at Easter to do the

1060
00:40:40.139 --> 00:40:41.639
barbeque, but ooh, they really get in.

1061
00:40:41.699 --> 00:40:45.239
But it's meant to be this thing too, where, you know, what happens

1062
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:46.679
when the Daleks are vulnerable?

1063
00:40:46.739 --> 00:40:49.739
isn't that a terribly interesting new idea that Terry's had for a

1064
00:40:49.739 --> 00:40:53.880
change and it lasts for 10 minutes into the episode and then they

1065
00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:55.500
just get other guns and they're fine.

1066
00:40:55.559 --> 00:41:00.719
I like the think that the, um, the doctor and Sarah have had this

1067
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:02.760
conversation about they're going to now share in the punishment

1068
00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:05.340
and then, of course, a few minutes later, they are now sharing in

1069
00:41:05.340 --> 00:41:05.820
the punishment.

1070
00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:07.980
Yes.

1071
00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:09.420
Foreshadowing dead listener.

1072
00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:10.980
Uh.

1073
00:41:10.980 --> 00:41:13.500
Oh, so hold on.

1074
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:15.900
So there's 2 Daleks with orange lights.

1075
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:16.320
Yeah.

1076
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:17.760
From a mini Cooper.

1077
00:41:17.820 --> 00:41:19.679
They swipe them from a mini Cooper.

1078
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:21.239
Though they are mini Cooper lights.

1079
00:41:21.300 --> 00:41:25.079
Morris, Morris car lights, because, you know, because we are very

1080
00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:27.659
exact exacting in our nerditude.

1081
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:30.300
Yes, no beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.

1082
00:41:30.780 --> 00:41:33.000
Where are they getting all their juice?

1083
00:41:33.059 --> 00:41:34.019
I haven't seen many plants.

1084
00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:37.199
Perhaps they have plantations for rope.

1085
00:41:37.619 --> 00:41:39.599
Kiss me, Hardy.

1086
00:41:40.380 --> 00:41:42.239
Yeah, see.

1087
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:49.380
You're supposed to think that, that, um...

1088
00:41:49.380 --> 00:41:50.400
You're just a figurehead.

1089
00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:52.260
Sorry?

1090
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:56.219
Oh, just, you know, did you think at the time that Galloway may

1091
00:41:56.219 --> 00:41:57.659
have actually had a hand in his injuries?

1092
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:01.079
Oh, no, I hadn't considered that, but...

1093
00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:04.019
I'm getting flashbacks too, being a little boy watching this, you

1094
00:42:04.019 --> 00:42:04.260
say.

1095
00:42:04.380 --> 00:42:07.619
But, you know, we do get a bit of building here that these people

1096
00:42:07.619 --> 00:42:09.960
have, these 2 have known each other for a very long time.

1097
00:42:10.019 --> 00:42:11.579
Well, they are terribly close.

1098
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:13.199
Yes, they.

1099
00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:15.360
Just had a tiff.

1100
00:42:15.420 --> 00:42:16.260
There we go.

1101
00:42:16.260 --> 00:42:18.420
But...

1102
00:42:18.420 --> 00:42:21.719
You know, we give Terry a lot of stick and he deserves it.

1103
00:42:21.780 --> 00:42:27.179
He, um, even right from his very 1st story, he's interested in

1104
00:42:27.179 --> 00:42:28.500
morality, isn't he?

1105
00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:32.219
He is, but he grew up with the same things that we love.

1106
00:42:32.340 --> 00:42:36.719
It's Elwell, um, or Bulwer Lytton, E and Bulwer Lytton.

1107
00:42:36.780 --> 00:42:39.539
His story of, you know, the city, you know, I can't remember the

1108
00:42:39.539 --> 00:42:43.079
book, but it's the city, uh, and land in the centre of the earth

1109
00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:46.260
which is also this, that they were, but the British explorers on

1110
00:42:46.260 --> 00:42:50.579
the 19th century, had discovered mazes, cities of mazes in, in

1111
00:42:50.579 --> 00:42:53.519
Africa, just like this, you know, they're just built from

1112
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:56.940
centuries of dead kings and Todd is, I think we need to pass past

1113
00:42:56.940 --> 00:42:57.780
the diary.

1114
00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:00.539
Sorry, I was laughing at John's gurning face.

1115
00:43:00.539 --> 00:43:01.199
And here they go.

1116
00:43:01.260 --> 00:43:04.079
Since it wasn't Eccles who started the gurney, folks.

1117
00:43:04.139 --> 00:43:05.639
Oh, God, no, no, no, no.

1118
00:43:05.699 --> 00:43:07.380
It was a lovely homage to our John.

1119
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:09.960
Oh, pixelons, I've got problems.

1120
00:43:10.019 --> 00:43:13.079
Todd, weren't you keeping tramp of all of the instances of per

1121
00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:14.519
tweak earning?

1122
00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:15.239
Yes, yes.

1123
00:43:15.300 --> 00:43:16.139
Where are we on?

1124
00:43:16.139 --> 00:43:18.300
Well, there's only been one door in this so far.

1125
00:43:18.360 --> 00:43:21.480
And now we jumped to the other side.

1126
00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:26.699
Oh, it's another rotten, gloomy old tunnel. best.

1127
00:43:26.760 --> 00:43:28.739
But that was just going to say, nation grew up on the same stories

1128
00:43:28.739 --> 00:43:31.619
that I love, and we all love, I guess, Edwardian children's

1129
00:43:31.619 --> 00:43:31.800
fiction.

1130
00:43:31.860 --> 00:43:32.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1131
00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:35.159
That's what I was going to say about Woolitton.

1132
00:43:35.219 --> 00:43:36.119
It feels like.

1133
00:43:36.300 --> 00:43:39.119
He was the man who wrote beneath the rule of men entirely great.

1134
00:43:39.179 --> 00:43:40.559
The pen is mightier than the sword.

1135
00:43:40.619 --> 00:43:41.400
Ah.

1136
00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:42.000
Yes.

1137
00:43:42.059 --> 00:43:44.460
You learn a lot on these podcasts, probably.

1138
00:43:44.699 --> 00:43:47.340
We have an educational remit.

1139
00:43:47.340 --> 00:43:49.260
We do.

1140
00:43:49.260 --> 00:43:51.119
Like, Jane Baker, the science has to work.

1141
00:43:51.420 --> 00:43:54.420
So living, bubbling lump of hate.

1142
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:58.139
Well, I'm glad I've got my iPad connected to my megabyte modem.

1143
00:43:58.199 --> 00:43:58.920
Yes.

1144
00:43:58.980 --> 00:44:00.239
I see.

1145
00:44:00.300 --> 00:44:01.559
No, I don't. kind of cute.

1146
00:44:02.099 --> 00:44:04.800
Was Nation the type to throw in?

1147
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:07.739
He had his own politics, even though he was, as far as I know, a

1148
00:44:07.739 --> 00:44:08.820
conservative, but...

1149
00:44:08.820 --> 00:44:09.900
Yeah, he seems conservative.

1150
00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:12.300
But that meant a different thing in the 70s too.

1151
00:44:12.420 --> 00:44:15.719
Well, sometimes the politics gets away from him and ends up being

1152
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:16.440
really horrific.

1153
00:44:16.500 --> 00:44:21.360
I think survivors is a good example of just how appalling and

1154
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:22.980
nasty his politics can be.

1155
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:26.099
Like Holmes himself and like the others, it's actually the

1156
00:44:26.099 --> 00:44:29.880
constraints of Doctor Who are quite healthy. for those writers.

1157
00:44:29.940 --> 00:44:33.659
Well, I think homes is complicated because he will write things

1158
00:44:33.659 --> 00:44:38.760
that are anti-colonial while being still very right wing.

1159
00:44:38.820 --> 00:44:44.820
And I think he just thinks colonialism is ridiculous rather than

1160
00:44:44.820 --> 00:44:46.739
like a serious moral flaw.

1161
00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:50.820
You can be conflicting in your sentiments and still come out.

1162
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:51.960
What were you going to say, Tom?

1163
00:44:52.019 --> 00:44:54.420
I'm not quite listening because I'm actually watching this.

1164
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:56.039
And sorry.

1165
00:44:56.099 --> 00:44:57.179
No, no, no, that's all right.

1166
00:44:57.179 --> 00:45:00.659
And I just love the fact that Galloway, is it Galloway?

1167
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:04.380
Galloway tries to sort of make buddies with the daleks and say, oh

1168
00:45:04.380 --> 00:45:06.360
our way of thinking and all that sort of thing and they just

1169
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:06.840
dismiss him.

1170
00:45:06.900 --> 00:45:07.920
Yeah.

1171
00:45:07.980 --> 00:45:11.099
And I love this fact that, you know, they're working out.

1172
00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:13.440
Sarah's working out the fact that, well, we shouldn't really go

1173
00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:15.480
this way because we're going to be sacrificed down here.

1174
00:45:15.539 --> 00:45:19.860
Yeah, this is kind of the last story for a while where we see

1175
00:45:19.860 --> 00:45:27.239
humans try to apply human wheeler dealing to the Daleks and try to

1176
00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:28.019
make a deal with them.

1177
00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:30.719
I would argue we don't really see it again until remembrance.

1178
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:35.400
Um, and it's, it's an interesting idea that Big Finish constantly

1179
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:38.400
pick up on, and in the Dalek Empire audio, there are constant

1180
00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:39.900
toadies trying to save the Daleks.

1181
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:40.920
Oh, but we have an alliance.

1182
00:45:40.980 --> 00:45:44.699
And of course, it's dramatic irony for us because we know as the

1183
00:45:44.699 --> 00:45:48.719
audience, Daleks don't, Daleks don't make deals, and if they do

1184
00:45:48.719 --> 00:45:49.800
they immediately go back on them.

1185
00:45:49.860 --> 00:45:51.000
Have we had a story yet?

1186
00:45:51.059 --> 00:45:52.079
Deal with the Daleks.

1187
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:55.920
Well, there is a...

1188
00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:57.360
Oh, we've done a deal with the excellence.

1189
00:45:57.420 --> 00:45:57.840
Not really.

1190
00:45:57.900 --> 00:45:59.699
Liar, liar.

1191
00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:03.900
Well, you see, he's going to make a really good deal and they're

1192
00:46:03.900 --> 00:46:06.179
still going to be part of the common market and they're still

1193
00:46:06.179 --> 00:46:09.000
going to have freedom of movement and they're not going to have to

1194
00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:10.440
pay money into the EU.

1195
00:46:10.500 --> 00:46:12.059
I mean, into the Earth Empire.

1196
00:46:12.179 --> 00:46:13.679
It's hard perineum.

1197
00:46:13.739 --> 00:46:14.760
Yeah, yeah.

1198
00:46:14.820 --> 00:46:17.340
Hard perineum. perine exit.

1199
00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:19.800
Exit.

1200
00:46:19.860 --> 00:46:21.420
Oh, no, wait.

1201
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:23.400
There's a breakaway group.

1202
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:24.420
2 X's, you see.

1203
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:25.559
Exit Lord.

1204
00:46:25.619 --> 00:46:27.239
Perenium.

1205
00:46:27.300 --> 00:46:28.139
Dear.

1206
00:46:31.380 --> 00:46:34.980
I mean, yeah, so here we have the sort of the pragmatic morality

1207
00:46:34.980 --> 00:46:37.679
versus the, if you like, sentimental morality.

1208
00:46:37.739 --> 00:46:41.400
And look, lovely middle class, Jill and middle class guy who looks

1209
00:46:41.400 --> 00:46:42.539
at the camera all the time.

1210
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:45.780
They're the people who we're supposed to think are right in this

1211
00:46:45.780 --> 00:46:50.099
conversation because of, you know, just their class and she's a

1212
00:46:50.099 --> 00:46:51.420
lady and all of that sort of thing.

1213
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:57.059
And Galloway is meant to be wrong, but, you know, that's not how

1214
00:46:57.059 --> 00:46:57.539
it works out.

1215
00:46:57.599 --> 00:46:58.320
Yeah.

1216
00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:03.239
It doesn't also, it also doesn't help that Julian looks like Eric

1217
00:47:03.239 --> 00:47:03.840
Idol.

1218
00:47:03.900 --> 00:47:07.500
So you expect him to break.

1219
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:08.760
Yeah, burst into song, make a joke.

1220
00:47:08.820 --> 00:47:12.239
I love how they're Jill and Julian and Jack and sort of lovely

1221
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:14.039
names, you know.

1222
00:47:14.099 --> 00:47:14.579
Jill.

1223
00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:16.980
I'm Galloway because I'm working class.

1224
00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:19.199
I like this conversation.

1225
00:47:20.099 --> 00:47:21.960
Myself mostly.

1226
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:28.800
And the weird thing is, also, I'm sure that the ABC version, when

1227
00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:31.800
was broadcast as a kid, just cuts on, who are you kidding?

1228
00:47:31.860 --> 00:47:36.179
And there's an American version that cuts on that as well for no

1229
00:47:36.179 --> 00:47:37.199
readily apparent reason.

1230
00:47:37.260 --> 00:47:41.820
Ladies and gentlemen, I bring you the London saxophone quartet.

1231
00:47:46.019 --> 00:47:48.119
I think music's great.

1232
00:47:48.179 --> 00:47:48.900
Yeah, yeah.

1233
00:47:49.019 --> 00:47:53.099
Kerry Blighton never does a bad score, I think.

1234
00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:56.820
I think it's less appropriate in revenge of the cybermen.

1235
00:47:56.940 --> 00:47:58.800
Has this one go?

1236
00:48:04.739 --> 00:48:07.260
Probably not at this precise moment.

1237
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:08.159
Sorry, dude.

1238
00:48:09.059 --> 00:48:13.320
Oh, I love the, I love this humour that they have in the face of

1239
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:13.619
danger.

1240
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:22.019
And, and, um, this is a bit like, um, the 5 doctors, I'll

1241
00:48:22.019 --> 00:48:23.039
distribute it of reconnance.

1242
00:48:23.099 --> 00:48:23.639
Wait here.

1243
00:48:23.699 --> 00:48:24.480
Yeah, yeah.

1244
00:48:24.539 --> 00:48:27.599
Also, we didn't comment at the time, but I love that bit in

1245
00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:30.420
episode one where she tells him not to wander off and he

1246
00:48:30.420 --> 00:48:33.360
immediately turns to the camera with a wicked little smile and

1247
00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:34.619
wanders off.

1248
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:36.780
He's like, oh, that's what this is like.

1249
00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:37.920
No wonder they do it.

1250
00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:42.480
Oh, dear.

1251
00:48:43.619 --> 00:48:45.000
Yeah.

1252
00:48:45.059 --> 00:48:47.280
Not happy about it, but yeah, fine.

1253
00:48:47.340 --> 00:48:49.559
No, but again, look how warm she is.

1254
00:48:49.619 --> 00:48:51.179
Like the smile is lovely.

1255
00:48:51.300 --> 00:48:52.860
She's just so charismatic.

1256
00:48:53.219 --> 00:48:56.760
You know, I do feel sorry for April Walker, but I don't think

1257
00:48:56.760 --> 00:48:59.039
anyone could have played the part better than Liz.

1258
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:05.460
For the, for those who aren't aware, of course, Liz Slaton was the

1259
00:49:05.460 --> 00:49:07.380
2nd casting choice for Sarah Jane.

1260
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:10.380
They started rehearsals with an actress called April Walker, who

1261
00:49:10.380 --> 00:49:16.079
was a pretty much a 6 foot tall blonde, who you will find in...

1262
00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:19.380
The Fulty Towers, Psycho.

1263
00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:20.460
The wedding party, yes.

1264
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:21.239
She's Jean.

1265
00:49:21.300 --> 00:49:22.079
She is.

1266
00:49:22.139 --> 00:49:23.699
She's also drawn in the annual for this year.

1267
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:26.039
They used her photo references for Sarah Jones.

1268
00:49:26.099 --> 00:49:27.599
Have a look if you've got a copy of it, yeah.

1269
00:49:27.659 --> 00:49:28.679
Did John get on with her?

1270
00:49:28.739 --> 00:49:35.280
Apparently, yeah, apparently, well, apparently, according to Barry

1271
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:38.099
they didn't have good chemistry in the performance.

1272
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:39.239
I don't think it was.

1273
00:49:39.300 --> 00:49:42.480
I don't think it was a personal matter whether they got on or not

1274
00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:46.440
but it was actually John who then said to Barry, well, look, you're

1275
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:48.239
not asking me about casting decisions.

1276
00:49:48.300 --> 00:49:49.800
That's why we don't have chemistry.

1277
00:49:49.860 --> 00:49:54.840
And that led to the, that led to the...

1278
00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:56.460
He is lovely.

1279
00:49:56.460 --> 00:49:57.599
This is fantastic.

1280
00:49:57.659 --> 00:49:58.860
Isn't it great?

1281
00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:01.260
Beautiful car, beautiful playing too.

1282
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:04.320
That led to the famous moment after...

1283
00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:05.519
It's the root.

1284
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:10.079
I had to crash Zoom on a route.

1285
00:50:10.139 --> 00:50:11.579
Oh end of episode.

1286
00:50:11.639 --> 00:50:15.599
But yeah, it led to the famous moment where after auditioning

1287
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:18.360
Elizabeth Slayton and being very happy with it.

1288
00:50:18.420 --> 00:50:21.960
Barry said to her, oh, I just need to go get something from the

1289
00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:22.679
rehearsal room.

1290
00:50:22.739 --> 00:50:23.579
Will you come down with me?

1291
00:50:23.699 --> 00:50:27.659
And the idea was to get her to meet John without expecting that

1292
00:50:27.659 --> 00:50:30.059
she was going to meet John, and she met John, and they talked for

1293
00:50:30.059 --> 00:50:32.460
a few minutes, and when she turned around to Barry, John

1294
00:50:32.460 --> 00:50:36.000
immediately raised both thumbs above her head and grinned at Barry

1295
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:38.880
and that was how she got cast.

1296
00:50:38.940 --> 00:50:41.880
And I believe Liz didn't know that for several years.

1297
00:50:41.940 --> 00:50:43.679
It was several years before John told her.

1298
00:50:43.739 --> 00:50:49.320
You know, I didn't have final approval, but as soon as I met you, I

1299
00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:50.159
knew you were right for the part.

1300
00:50:50.219 --> 00:50:54.119
Now, Richard, is that a bowedlarized and completely non-actionable

1301
00:50:54.119 --> 00:50:57.239
version of the story, though, it wouldn't have the actual story

1302
00:50:57.239 --> 00:51:01.079
that we've heard, which... different than that.

1303
00:51:01.139 --> 00:51:01.920
They were actually...

1304
00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:02.699
You know what?

1305
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:05.760
I just want to say that I really loved this Entitle sequence.

1306
00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:07.500
I'm happy to hear that every time.

1307
00:51:07.619 --> 00:51:10.860
I felt about it 5 years of age and I still feel it now.

1308
00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:14.039
And I wonder if it was just that we were so impressionable that

1309
00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:17.639
perfect age when you 1st see something. imprinted on it.

1310
00:51:17.699 --> 00:51:21.179
But I think it's all, I'm so open to the subtleties.

1311
00:51:21.179 --> 00:51:23.579
If they get it, that keep the story is simple.

1312
00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:24.659
Yes, it's traduced.

1313
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:27.840
We've seen it many times before, but that doesn't diminish its

1314
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:28.440
potency.

1315
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:31.559
And I think that's where nation wins out.

1316
00:51:31.619 --> 00:51:32.820
There's simple stories.

1317
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:35.760
And just like Joseph Campbell, and just like Star Wars, look how

1318
00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:39.059
well, they've done with their little franchise, it doesn't hurt to

1319
00:51:39.059 --> 00:51:39.900
retell an old story.

1320
00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:41.280
Yeah, exactly.

1321
00:51:41.340 --> 00:51:44.639
And if you look at the original Star Wars trilogy versus the

1322
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:47.820
prequel trilogy, not Stones of Campbell. not talking about any...

1323
00:51:47.820 --> 00:51:48.659
Velakovsky.

1324
00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:50.519
We talked about, sorry, have we talked about Velikovsky?

1325
00:51:50.579 --> 00:51:53.519
I think we need to because that's kind of the root of this and the

1326
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:56.579
whole Celtic ledge and stuff at the 19th century, but.

1327
00:51:57.539 --> 00:52:00.179
Oh, I was just going to say that, you know, those 1st 3 Star Wars

1328
00:52:00.179 --> 00:52:02.280
movies are simple stories well told.

1329
00:52:02.340 --> 00:52:06.719
The prequel trilogy, with its focus on politics, loses that

1330
00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:08.280
simplicity.

1331
00:52:08.340 --> 00:52:09.239
And it still pays tax.

1332
00:52:09.300 --> 00:52:09.659
Yeah.

1333
00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:10.019
Yeah.

1334
00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:12.360
And he couches in the prequel trilogy.

1335
00:52:12.420 --> 00:52:12.900
Yeah.

1336
00:52:12.900 --> 00:52:15.420
A lot of people sit on couches. much like this podcast.

1337
00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:17.880
It's Cardinal Zorak again, isn't it?

1338
00:52:17.940 --> 00:52:21.659
But yeah, and, you know, they're like this thing.

1339
00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:23.639
It's a lovely one.

1340
00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:24.539
Going in for an attack.

1341
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:28.380
Do you feel it's the front of one of those eccentric Bristol cars

1342
00:52:28.380 --> 00:52:32.219
that from the 1970s, you know, that they were small pieces?

1343
00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:34.860
Oh, gosh, she really does tear a world, doesn't she?

1344
00:52:34.860 --> 00:52:36.719
There is a fantastic sequence.

1345
00:52:36.780 --> 00:52:37.559
Oh isn't he pretty?

1346
00:52:37.619 --> 00:52:39.659
Actually, there's a cosplay for you, Brandon.

1347
00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:40.380
Oh, practically.

1348
00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:43.139
I really wanted him to be a companion.

1349
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:47.159
Well, wasn't that actually muttered in the back room?

1350
00:52:47.219 --> 00:52:49.139
No, no, no, no, no.

1351
00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:50.820
No, I haven't heard that.

1352
00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:51.360
Never.

1353
00:52:51.420 --> 00:52:52.320
No.

1354
00:52:53.039 --> 00:52:56.340
It might have just been said as a kind thing, but I have heard it

1355
00:52:56.340 --> 00:52:56.699
said.

1356
00:52:56.760 --> 00:53:00.179
He would have been really spectacular, wouldn't he?

1357
00:53:00.900 --> 00:53:01.860
Invasion of the dinosaurs.

1358
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:09.059
Before this, of course. has gone down to the sound.

1359
00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:14.400
I just I just love the way that she's like so nervous around him

1360
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:18.239
and he's been, you know, he's a bit of a racist, isn't she?

1361
00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:21.539
Yeah, and she'll be racist again next story and then apologise for

1362
00:53:21.539 --> 00:53:21.719
it.

1363
00:53:21.780 --> 00:53:25.619
She does apologise to Alpha Centauri for judging by appearances.

1364
00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:29.099
Um, Richard, I'm I'm detecting so...

1365
00:53:29.099 --> 00:53:32.579
That way leads to...

1366
00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:35.699
I think we need to take you outside and roll you in mud.

1367
00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:41.639
Richard, I'm detecting a lot of Mary Tyler Moore in this

1368
00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:42.059
performance.

1369
00:53:42.179 --> 00:53:44.820
Now she's going to ask him, now they're friends.

1370
00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:45.599
I love it.

1371
00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:46.739
It is very sweet.

1372
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:47.699
It is very sweet.

1373
00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:49.860
Oh, and it's...

1374
00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:53.099
Oh, I just love them.

1375
00:53:53.159 --> 00:53:57.659
I actually wanted the Belle Allen Kodal comedy half hour

1376
00:53:57.659 --> 00:54:00.239
featuring...

1377
00:54:00.300 --> 00:54:01.440
One of them's Codal.

1378
00:54:01.500 --> 00:54:03.420
I thought Kodal was that character in numb.

1379
00:54:03.480 --> 00:54:04.260
He's goat out.

1380
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:05.099
Oh, goat out.

1381
00:54:05.099 --> 00:54:06.179
Yeah, goat out.

1382
00:54:06.179 --> 00:54:06.900
Sorry.

1383
00:54:06.900 --> 00:54:08.280
It gives the lecturer.

1384
00:54:08.340 --> 00:54:11.460
But yeah, the Bell Owl and Goatow comedy half hour.

1385
00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:13.320
The 2 sil comedy half hour, yes.

1386
00:54:13.380 --> 00:54:15.179
And they're a couple, aren't they?

1387
00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:16.139
Oh, yeah.

1388
00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:19.380
You know, featuring the, ooh, ah, dancers.

1389
00:54:20.340 --> 00:54:22.920
And this week's discussion topic.

1390
00:54:23.460 --> 00:54:28.139
Look at them. trying to stop her. absolutely killing it here

1391
00:54:28.139 --> 00:54:30.360
because they're just standing there in rubber because they don't

1392
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:31.320
want to do anything.

1393
00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:33.719
She's doing some fabulous struggling age.

1394
00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:36.960
Maybe she's allergic to lighting.

1395
00:54:37.019 --> 00:54:40.920
Now, Liz, don't go too fast because they won't be able to grab you

1396
00:54:40.920 --> 00:54:42.059
because something will break.

1397
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:44.579
Or break a seal.

1398
00:54:48.420 --> 00:54:54.420
Look, for a vacuum cleaner hose on a bit of string, it's

1399
00:54:54.420 --> 00:54:55.440
remarkably effective.

1400
00:54:55.980 --> 00:54:59.400
We should add that, did you know Holmes changed the name to

1401
00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:00.239
perineum?

1402
00:55:00.300 --> 00:55:03.480
And he did say it because it's because the Daleks are a pain in

1403
00:55:03.480 --> 00:55:03.840
the arse.

1404
00:55:03.900 --> 00:55:05.880
And what was the original name?

1405
00:55:05.940 --> 00:55:06.420
Does that say?

1406
00:55:06.539 --> 00:55:09.179
Terra, Terra, Terra, Terra, Terra.

1407
00:55:09.539 --> 00:55:11.460
Oh, good shot, sir.

1408
00:55:11.579 --> 00:55:13.079
I mean, that's a bit...

1409
00:55:13.079 --> 00:55:14.280
A palpable hit.

1410
00:55:14.340 --> 00:55:15.480
I think that's a bit.

1411
00:55:15.539 --> 00:55:16.440
Oh, it's lovely.

1412
00:55:16.500 --> 00:55:19.320
And it shows that he did rewrite the 1st draft of Hamlet.

1413
00:55:19.380 --> 00:55:20.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

1414
00:55:21.179 --> 00:55:22.920
No, I must.

1415
00:55:22.980 --> 00:55:23.460
Yeah.

1416
00:55:23.460 --> 00:55:29.820
The Peranium was originally the elixir, that's the...

1417
00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:34.860
So yeah, nation kind of went, no, don't just call it the elixir.

1418
00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:38.820
Let's give it an actual scientific name and Holmes was like, oh

1419
00:55:38.820 --> 00:55:40.860
how about, how about, uh, piranium?

1420
00:55:40.860 --> 00:55:43.440
and Terry Nation said, oh, yes, and Holmes had a little chuckle to

1421
00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:43.739
himself.

1422
00:55:43.980 --> 00:55:46.619
It's like his giant fart joke.

1423
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:48.360
Crawl.

1424
00:55:48.360 --> 00:55:51.360
Ha, ha, ha.

1425
00:55:51.360 --> 00:55:53.460
With the garlic gun.

1426
00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:54.900
And this is some...

1427
00:55:54.900 --> 00:55:58.019
Well, you know, I thought this was the 1st time we'd seen a Dalek

1428
00:55:58.019 --> 00:56:01.199
gun, but of course we now know that we see a Dalek gun in Power of

1429
00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:01.920
the Dalek.

1430
00:56:01.980 --> 00:56:04.440
Did you know the excellence were meant to originally be made?

1431
00:56:04.500 --> 00:56:06.780
Sorry, of the same.

1432
00:56:06.840 --> 00:56:09.360
The reason they blend into the hills and everything, that's kept

1433
00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:11.880
in the thing, but they're meant to be a silicon-based life form.

1434
00:56:11.940 --> 00:56:13.380
I still see them as that.

1435
00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:19.019
And and just like El Dread and very rare Silicon-based life.

1436
00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:21.239
Yeah, ovary.

1437
00:56:22.500 --> 00:56:24.119
They're friends.

1438
00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:25.619
I was the doctor about to hit them.

1439
00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:27.659
Yes, he's such an old racist too.

1440
00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:32.460
I love the way that she makes friends with her.

1441
00:56:32.579 --> 00:56:34.500
She does, yeah, gaspingly.

1442
00:56:34.619 --> 00:56:37.019
And you know, very often she'll make friends and be sort of

1443
00:56:37.019 --> 00:56:37.739
terrified of them.

1444
00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:39.659
And then when the doctor's terrified of them, she'll tell him

1445
00:56:39.659 --> 00:56:39.960
all.

1446
00:56:41.820 --> 00:56:43.980
Run, run, run.

1447
00:56:44.039 --> 00:56:46.559
It's because Terry was off...

1448
00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:49.860
Terrence, I'm sorry, was off doing Mimbase 3, wasn't he?

1449
00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:51.239
So that's why Holmes was left to do this.

1450
00:56:51.300 --> 00:56:52.559
Yeah.

1451
00:56:52.619 --> 00:56:54.300
Oh, poor Moonbase three.

1452
00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:55.199
Loving those rocks.

1453
00:56:56.159 --> 00:57:01.800
Yeah, all 6 episodes exist, including, including the horrible one

1454
00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:05.760
where it's like, oh, this guy sexually assaulted you, but we're on

1455
00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:06.059
the moon.

1456
00:57:06.360 --> 00:57:09.360
We'll put him in another section of the space base.

1457
00:57:09.420 --> 00:57:09.780
Okay.

1458
00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:11.699
Yeah, it's awful.

1459
00:57:11.760 --> 00:57:15.900
It shows that such things should be left to Jerry Anderson and his

1460
00:57:15.900 --> 00:57:16.139
wife.

1461
00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:19.559
Yeah, well, you know, at least they had the guts to kill people in

1462
00:57:19.559 --> 00:57:20.519
Space 19.

1463
00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:24.300
I'm thinking of UFO And they had much more lady as well.

1464
00:57:24.360 --> 00:57:26.099
They'd had lady people, yeah.

1465
00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:29.699
You know, Jill Tarrant was going to be the leader of the

1466
00:57:29.699 --> 00:57:32.760
exhibition for this. she and Galloway's parts were actually

1467
00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:36.539
interchanged, but for some, I don't know why they were swapped, but

1468
00:57:36.539 --> 00:57:39.000
just because they were so aware of the character of Rebic and the

1469
00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:41.159
previous story being so dull.

1470
00:57:41.579 --> 00:57:45.719
I think, I think that Joel Tarrant gets a better, gets a better

1471
00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:47.820
slice of the action in this than Rebeck did.

1472
00:57:47.880 --> 00:57:51.420
Because remember, Rebek's only there because she's chased a

1473
00:57:51.420 --> 00:57:51.900
boyfriend down.

1474
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:53.940
And he's very cross at her.

1475
00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:54.539
Yeah.

1476
00:57:54.599 --> 00:57:57.239
Because now he has to protect her because she's a useless woman.

1477
00:57:57.300 --> 00:57:59.340
She'll sprain her ankle at any moment.

1478
00:57:59.400 --> 00:57:59.940
Yeah.

1479
00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:03.059
Whereas, you know, Jill has a very important role on this

1480
00:58:03.059 --> 00:58:03.360
mission.

1481
00:58:03.420 --> 00:58:04.500
They're looking for this mineral.

1482
00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:05.460
She's the geologist.

1483
00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:08.159
You can't even get the cake mix into the oven.

1484
00:58:08.219 --> 00:58:09.179
It just serves it raw.

1485
00:58:09.420 --> 00:58:11.280
Jill Tarrant.

1486
00:58:11.340 --> 00:58:14.159
No one's got nothing nice to say about Jill Tarrant, really.

1487
00:58:14.219 --> 00:58:15.599
Isn't that pretty fabulous?

1488
00:58:15.659 --> 00:58:16.199
very pretty.

1489
00:58:16.260 --> 00:58:19.500
I think she's, I actually think she's lovely and she, and she

1490
00:58:19.500 --> 00:58:23.219
gives quiet sucker to the rest of the program.

1491
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:24.539
Isn't that pretty?

1492
00:58:24.599 --> 00:58:26.280
rubber bloke here.

1493
00:58:26.340 --> 00:58:28.440
Yeah, you didn't realise that was a bloke until he moved his

1494
00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:28.619
head.

1495
00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:29.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1496
00:58:29.460 --> 00:58:29.880
Yeah, yeah.

1497
00:58:29.940 --> 00:58:31.199
Yeah, the design works and that.

1498
00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:34.260
Yeah, so Bryant has, you know, been careful to stick to the

1499
00:58:34.260 --> 00:58:34.679
concepts.

1500
00:58:37.019 --> 00:58:41.280
Yeah, it's a lovely sunny day on location. is gorgeous, isn't it?

1501
00:58:41.340 --> 00:58:43.559
The humans are in blue so you can see them immediately.

1502
00:58:43.619 --> 00:58:45.960
And even though the Daleks are in silver, so they're reflecting

1503
00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:47.639
what's around them, they still stand out.

1504
00:58:48.239 --> 00:58:49.920
Yeah, me too.

1505
00:58:49.980 --> 00:58:51.480
I like Galloway a lot.

1506
00:58:51.539 --> 00:58:53.099
He's so pithy and cranky.

1507
00:58:53.159 --> 00:58:54.059
You might as well be Welsh.

1508
00:58:57.179 --> 00:58:58.980
Duncan Lamont, of course.

1509
00:58:59.460 --> 00:59:03.300
Which is why the, there was that leak.

1510
00:59:03.300 --> 00:59:05.219
The Phantom leak, somewhat.

1511
00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:07.320
Yeah, the leak is in McGuffin, isn't it?

1512
00:59:07.380 --> 00:59:10.739
I think it has a much stronger influence on the plot than we've so

1513
00:59:10.739 --> 00:59:11.519
far realised.

1514
00:59:11.579 --> 00:59:13.800
I think it might be the beginning of an arc for the season.

1515
00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:18.360
Gosh, it is a Federation man.

1516
00:59:18.360 --> 00:59:23.579
Speaking of Federation badges, Duncan Lamont was cast and started

1517
00:59:23.579 --> 00:59:25.440
filming the Blake 7 episode hostage.

1518
00:59:26.400 --> 00:59:31.079
But he died during production was replaced by John Abeniri. going

1519
00:59:31.079 --> 00:59:31.619
to rush.

1520
00:59:32.460 --> 00:59:36.000
Truly, truly terrible episode of Blake Seven.

1521
00:59:36.059 --> 00:59:36.960
Shockingly bad.

1522
00:59:37.019 --> 00:59:40.139
He's he's most...

1523
00:59:40.199 --> 00:59:40.739
Oh, there they are.

1524
00:59:40.739 --> 00:59:45.059
He's most famous as the original Victor Caroon in the original

1525
00:59:45.059 --> 00:59:46.260
Quaitamas experiment.

1526
00:59:46.559 --> 00:59:50.400
Except for any of us who've never seen that, but, yeah.

1527
00:59:50.400 --> 00:59:52.500
Have you watched the Coda Mass experiment?

1528
00:59:52.559 --> 00:59:54.539
Well, the 1st episode is all that exists.

1529
00:59:54.780 --> 00:59:57.960
Oh, well, it's pro- it's proto-do.

1530
00:59:58.019 --> 00:59:58.800
It's 50, yeah.

1531
00:59:59.099 --> 01:00:00.000
The 60s ones are good.

1532
01:00:01.079 --> 01:00:03.360
It's really dark isn't it?

1533
01:00:03.420 --> 01:00:06.300
It is really dark and I do have the brightness.

1534
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:12.239
And yeah, I love these, you know, Michael E. Bryant as someone who

1535
01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:16.199
says, you know, with with monsters, he took the sort of Terence

1536
01:00:16.199 --> 01:00:19.739
Dick's approach of, you know, don't don't film them always in long

1537
01:00:19.739 --> 01:00:23.639
shot, film close-ups of them, gun arms twitching and eyes and et

1538
01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:25.139
cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

1539
01:00:25.260 --> 01:00:28.079
And we just had that in that scene when the Dalek starts talking.

1540
01:00:28.139 --> 01:00:31.980
We're not looking at its at its ears, which are the talking

1541
01:00:31.980 --> 01:00:32.579
indicator.

1542
01:00:32.639 --> 01:00:34.739
We're looking at it's gun twitching away because it wants to

1543
01:00:34.739 --> 01:00:35.760
bloody murder something.

1544
01:00:36.420 --> 01:00:39.780
And now we get an info dump, but it's charming because it's from

1545
01:00:39.780 --> 01:00:40.380
Balal.

1546
01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:46.980
It's so charming It's a, it's a bit like the, the colony in space

1547
01:00:46.980 --> 01:00:48.480
backstory though, isn't it?

1548
01:00:48.539 --> 01:00:52.079
Like a degenerate race of primitives that used to have a advanced

1549
01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:52.440
technology.

1550
01:00:52.500 --> 01:00:57.059
But, you know, instead of it being mansplained by the doctor.

1551
01:00:57.119 --> 01:00:59.880
It's actually being told by some of the indigenous life forms.

1552
01:00:59.940 --> 01:01:03.119
No, I would have liked to see Pertwee explain his ways through

1553
01:01:03.119 --> 01:01:06.599
some hieroglyphs in order to get all this information.

1554
01:01:06.659 --> 01:01:08.880
Oh well, you've got all that to look forward to.

1555
01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:13.619
Including, actually, I just remembered foreshadowing do listener.

1556
01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:16.619
This particular episode has one of the most bizarre Doctor Who

1557
01:01:16.619 --> 01:01:17.460
Cliffhangers.

1558
01:01:17.519 --> 01:01:19.800
I think the worst Doctor Who, please hang on.

1559
01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:25.800
Walking is all that's required for now.

1560
01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:27.599
Yeah, suppose.

1561
01:01:27.659 --> 01:01:29.519
But that wasn't intentional, was it?

1562
01:01:29.579 --> 01:01:30.300
No, that's true.

1563
01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:31.980
Well, it was chosen by the BBC.

1564
01:01:33.239 --> 01:01:35.219
Where's he going now?

1565
01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:41.159
He really has spectacular hair for a man his age, doesn't he?

1566
01:01:41.219 --> 01:01:42.000
Yeah, yeah.

1567
01:01:42.059 --> 01:01:43.260
I mean, Bilal looks amazing.

1568
01:01:43.320 --> 01:01:45.840
That's how that's how I do my hair.

1569
01:01:47.099 --> 01:01:49.260
I do my eyes that way.

1570
01:01:52.860 --> 01:01:55.559
Yeah, John, yeah, John.

1571
01:01:55.559 --> 01:01:59.159
God, she just sells it with those little smiles and looks.

1572
01:01:59.219 --> 01:02:02.940
The reason we have a paint job, apparently, is that Michael Bryant

1573
01:02:02.940 --> 01:02:05.579
didn't realise and had them repainted as he'd seen them in the

1574
01:02:05.579 --> 01:02:08.340
Trouton, and Billy stories.

1575
01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:08.940
They were blue.

1576
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:09.599
Oh, yes.

1577
01:02:09.599 --> 01:02:10.320
Silver, black.

1578
01:02:10.380 --> 01:02:11.699
And they cooked his all for it. going to work.

1579
01:02:11.760 --> 01:02:12.360
No, no, no.

1580
01:02:12.420 --> 01:02:14.880
They're too they're too cute and pretty, so they were done in the

1581
01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:15.780
black and silver quickly.

1582
01:02:15.840 --> 01:02:18.840
Which, look, they look properly menacing.

1583
01:02:18.900 --> 01:02:25.019
And I think he's even given them new slats because...

1584
01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:27.179
They're not see-through, are they?

1585
01:02:27.239 --> 01:02:27.960
No.

1586
01:02:28.019 --> 01:02:31.980
Oh, well, you know, the midsection always has that wonderful gauze

1587
01:02:31.980 --> 01:02:35.579
which, unless you light it badly, appears opaque.

1588
01:02:36.179 --> 01:02:39.900
I think even in Genesis, you start to see like some little heads

1589
01:02:39.900 --> 01:02:40.320
in there.

1590
01:02:40.380 --> 01:02:41.099
It's true.

1591
01:02:41.159 --> 01:02:44.159
Well, you ask yourself how you'd feel if you were being assaulted

1592
01:02:44.159 --> 01:02:45.000
by excellence.

1593
01:02:45.059 --> 01:02:45.599
I mean, really.

1594
01:02:45.659 --> 01:02:47.460
Grabbed by the brain?

1595
01:02:47.519 --> 01:02:49.679
Yes. self-destruct immediately.

1596
01:02:49.739 --> 01:02:50.880
Salted by your excellence.

1597
01:02:50.940 --> 01:02:53.519
Imagine actually filming that rumbling secret.

1598
01:02:53.519 --> 01:02:54.119
Rumbling boot.

1599
01:02:54.179 --> 01:02:55.079
Oh, this is my favourite.

1600
01:02:56.340 --> 01:02:58.139
Get out of the water.

1601
01:02:58.199 --> 01:02:59.400
Get out of the water.

1602
01:03:00.420 --> 01:03:04.860
It does feel like a really horrible cheap British day spa holiday

1603
01:03:04.860 --> 01:03:05.460
doesn't it?

1604
01:03:06.059 --> 01:03:08.699
Oh, no, I've gone too deep.

1605
01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:10.079
Oh, this is wondering.

1606
01:03:10.139 --> 01:03:11.280
Oh, it's raining.

1607
01:03:11.340 --> 01:03:13.380
Oh, oh, oh, oh.

1608
01:03:13.440 --> 01:03:16.739
I think his seawater defences were a bit lacking on this one.

1609
01:03:18.360 --> 01:03:20.519
Oh, it's not going to go well.

1610
01:03:20.579 --> 01:03:24.119
Yeah, they've kind they've got a horizontal wire and a vertical

1611
01:03:24.119 --> 01:03:26.219
wire. vertical wise, horribly visible.

1612
01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:27.599
I don't think I've ever noticed it.

1613
01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:32.159
Oh, well, you see, that's part of the problem in getting these

1614
01:03:32.159 --> 01:03:33.539
cleaned up for DVD.

1615
01:03:34.320 --> 01:03:36.480
Is that Terry Walsh?

1616
01:03:36.539 --> 01:03:37.260
Terry Walsh?

1617
01:03:37.260 --> 01:03:37.619
That's fine.

1618
01:03:37.679 --> 01:03:38.760
Probably Terry Walsh on fire.

1619
01:03:38.820 --> 01:03:40.380
Stuff they made the costumes out of it.

1620
01:03:40.440 --> 01:03:41.880
Incredibly flammable.

1621
01:03:41.940 --> 01:03:45.960
So that probably just happened on this. standing to near the

1622
01:03:45.960 --> 01:03:46.559
radio.

1623
01:03:46.619 --> 01:03:49.920
They're actually just lucky that the camera was turning over

1624
01:03:49.920 --> 01:03:50.159
really.

1625
01:03:51.119 --> 01:03:53.639
Oh, that's gorgeous.

1626
01:03:53.699 --> 01:03:55.019
Yeah, that's something else.

1627
01:03:55.079 --> 01:03:56.159
I think like back projection.

1628
01:03:56.159 --> 01:03:59.340
Yeah, that's like optical.

1629
01:03:59.460 --> 01:04:00.300
Yeah, that's really gonna work.

1630
01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:02.280
And now...

1631
01:04:02.340 --> 01:04:03.179
Yeah, go on, get it.

1632
01:04:03.300 --> 01:04:05.159
Oh, that's awesome.

1633
01:04:05.219 --> 01:04:08.219
Look at the thing collapse. tremendous. beautiful.

1634
01:04:08.219 --> 01:04:09.480
Yay.

1635
01:04:09.539 --> 01:04:13.440
There's like they've done so much to the location.

1636
01:04:13.500 --> 01:04:16.980
There's so many extras they've brought like a few wheelbarrows

1637
01:04:16.980 --> 01:04:17.340
out.

1638
01:04:17.400 --> 01:04:21.360
You know, they've got a root and some some barrels and things. like

1639
01:04:21.360 --> 01:04:22.320
I really like it.

1640
01:04:22.380 --> 01:04:24.599
I think they've gone to a lot of effort and you get a real sense

1641
01:04:24.599 --> 01:04:26.219
of what that space is like.

1642
01:04:26.280 --> 01:04:27.480
Yes, yeah.

1643
01:04:27.539 --> 01:04:28.679
Yes, you do.

1644
01:04:28.739 --> 01:04:29.940
Oh, what's good?

1645
01:04:29.940 --> 01:04:30.539
Oh, I know.

1646
01:04:30.599 --> 01:04:32.340
Because later...

1647
01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:33.360
Oh, I've seen these films.

1648
01:04:33.420 --> 01:04:34.800
What happens next?

1649
01:04:34.980 --> 01:04:40.860
In um, in Destiny of the Daleks, there's some quite good quarry

1650
01:04:40.860 --> 01:04:44.699
work in that, but because it's so sparse and sparsely populated

1651
01:04:44.699 --> 01:04:46.440
it's not as effective as this.

1652
01:04:46.500 --> 01:04:50.579
And I would argue that with all the um, the extras playing Dalek

1653
01:04:50.579 --> 01:04:54.420
prisoners, there's at least as many people, but it's not shot as

1654
01:04:54.420 --> 01:04:55.440
tightly as this is.

1655
01:04:58.559 --> 01:05:01.920
Yeah, and and now we've got this chariots of the god stuff coming

1656
01:05:01.920 --> 01:05:02.159
in.

1657
01:05:02.519 --> 01:05:05.460
A bit of education here. kids.

1658
01:05:05.519 --> 01:05:10.199
Well, it is a, it's kind of a theme of the 70s probably ever since

1659
01:05:10.199 --> 01:05:14.340
the demons, isn't it, that human society's been shaped by aliens.

1660
01:05:14.400 --> 01:05:18.300
Yeah, which is the Vondanic and Chariots, the Blonze thing, which

1661
01:05:18.300 --> 01:05:20.880
actually goes back, again, Theosophist.

1662
01:05:20.940 --> 01:05:25.199
It's a really nice period in the program's history that is really

1663
01:05:25.199 --> 01:05:27.000
diving into literary conceits.

1664
01:05:27.659 --> 01:05:30.119
The mockers on the TARDIS.

1665
01:05:30.179 --> 01:05:32.340
That's a great name for a band, is it?

1666
01:05:32.940 --> 01:05:38.280
Yeah, well, I think Liz Layden did say in later years that even

1667
01:05:38.280 --> 01:05:42.780
though she didn't play it with her Liverpool accent, that she did

1668
01:05:42.780 --> 01:05:46.920
try to sneak in Liverpool.

1669
01:05:46.920 --> 01:05:49.019
She threw in, could murder a cup of tea in time.

1670
01:05:49.079 --> 01:05:50.940
Yeah, we all remember that.

1671
01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:51.480
Yeah.

1672
01:05:52.320 --> 01:05:54.059
Good problem and they have a little joke.

1673
01:05:54.119 --> 01:05:55.440
I love that smile.

1674
01:05:55.500 --> 01:05:56.340
It's great.

1675
01:05:57.000 --> 01:06:01.920
No, but I'm Richard, I'm definitely seeing Mary Tyler Moore in her

1676
01:06:01.920 --> 01:06:05.639
performance. in Sarah's performance, especially the panickiness.

1677
01:06:05.940 --> 01:06:07.679
I don't know.

1678
01:06:07.739 --> 01:06:11.280
I mean, she's rep in theatre, so it's possible she did, they, they

1679
01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:12.480
didn't watch a lot of TV, though.

1680
01:06:12.480 --> 01:06:13.860
That's true, because they were.

1681
01:06:13.920 --> 01:06:17.099
So it could actually just be the styling of the time and you might

1682
01:06:17.099 --> 01:06:19.619
be looking again at bigger films.

1683
01:06:19.679 --> 01:06:21.300
Yeah that's true.

1684
01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:22.380
Although...

1685
01:06:22.380 --> 01:06:26.039
I really like that tube.

1686
01:06:26.099 --> 01:06:27.599
That is so good, isn't it?

1687
01:06:27.659 --> 01:06:28.800
The point of view tube.

1688
01:06:28.860 --> 01:06:30.480
Yeah, the Dalek point of YouTube.

1689
01:06:30.539 --> 01:06:31.320
It's really great.

1690
01:06:31.380 --> 01:06:34.019
No electronic compositing or effects node.

1691
01:06:34.079 --> 01:06:35.460
Just a practical effect.

1692
01:06:35.519 --> 01:06:38.340
Also, you get a sense of the claustrophobia of the Dalek.

1693
01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:42.179
I think the only point of view Dalek point of view thing we've

1694
01:06:42.179 --> 01:06:44.280
seen before is in power of the Daleks, is that right?

1695
01:06:44.340 --> 01:06:46.619
Well, I don't know if, is that in the original?

1696
01:06:46.679 --> 01:06:47.940
It is.

1697
01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:49.739
Yeah, there's some tele snaps of it.

1698
01:06:49.860 --> 01:06:53.340
Yeah, but it's just like a black circle.

1699
01:06:53.400 --> 01:06:53.940
Yeah, yeah.

1700
01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:57.780
Um, there was some in Hartnell stories as well.

1701
01:06:57.840 --> 01:06:58.440
Okay.

1702
01:06:58.440 --> 01:06:58.739
Yeah.

1703
01:06:58.800 --> 01:07:03.360
Well, um, actually, no, we, well, we kind of get a perspective

1704
01:07:03.360 --> 01:07:06.960
shop, but not with a ring around it when we approach Barbara with

1705
01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:07.679
the plug and jump.

1706
01:07:07.739 --> 01:07:09.780
That's more like the plunger comes up into shock.

1707
01:07:09.900 --> 01:07:10.440
Yeah.

1708
01:07:10.500 --> 01:07:12.480
Quiet darlic point of view.

1709
01:07:12.539 --> 01:07:14.039
Nice shot.

1710
01:07:14.099 --> 01:07:14.820
A ray.

1711
01:07:14.820 --> 01:07:15.480
Mm-hmm.

1712
01:07:15.900 --> 01:07:19.739
Yeah, I don't know what they're doing to avoid so much fringing

1713
01:07:19.739 --> 01:07:22.559
but maybe they're not shooting John's head in it.

1714
01:07:22.619 --> 01:07:23.699
Well, they're using yellow.

1715
01:07:23.699 --> 01:07:27.059
And they're also using amber lights. 700, what does the universe?

1716
01:07:27.119 --> 01:07:27.780
Yay.

1717
01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:29.340
Yes, it is.

1718
01:07:29.639 --> 01:07:33.300
Have you been feeling up alien cities without my permission?

1719
01:07:33.360 --> 01:07:35.699
Now, this is beautiful this moment.

1720
01:07:35.760 --> 01:07:38.280
Something fine and important for you to do.

1721
01:07:40.559 --> 01:07:43.980
Because he is actually giving her an important job to do.

1722
01:07:43.980 --> 01:07:47.940
And he's sending her away for her safety, you know.

1723
01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:49.320
She's up, what?

1724
01:07:49.380 --> 01:07:52.559
He's doing he's doing exactly what she's saying he's doing, but

1725
01:07:52.559 --> 01:07:55.679
also he's saying no, you know, there is something you can be

1726
01:07:55.679 --> 01:07:55.860
doing.

1727
01:07:55.980 --> 01:08:00.360
And he's about to turn and go and then he's going to come back and

1728
01:08:00.360 --> 01:08:02.579
do something, which puts a lump in my throat every time.

1729
01:08:03.179 --> 01:08:05.519
You know, that's not for here.

1730
01:08:06.780 --> 01:08:10.619
This is a conversation he could never have had with Joe as well.

1731
01:08:10.679 --> 01:08:13.559
It's a new thing that Sarah is bringing to the table.

1732
01:08:13.619 --> 01:08:15.059
Yeah, intelligence, yeah.

1733
01:08:15.719 --> 01:08:19.680
Show is super competent and terribly intelligent.

1734
01:08:19.979 --> 01:08:21.600
Here it comes.

1735
01:08:21.720 --> 01:08:22.500
Here it comes.

1736
01:08:22.560 --> 01:08:27.420
Like, this is the moment that defines the 3rd doctor in Sarah's

1737
01:08:27.420 --> 01:08:29.579
relationship. stroking, yeah.

1738
01:08:29.579 --> 01:08:36.239
Oh, I saw you just put that finger.

1739
01:08:36.300 --> 01:08:38.819
Don't be...

1740
01:08:39.180 --> 01:08:41.159
Yeah, that was quite sweet.

1741
01:08:41.220 --> 01:08:43.739
And I'm just going to grab your throat in case you didn't get the

1742
01:08:43.739 --> 01:08:44.340
point.

1743
01:08:44.399 --> 01:08:46.199
But that was quite lovely.

1744
01:08:46.260 --> 01:08:47.760
I can't see a deer.

1745
01:08:47.760 --> 01:08:48.539
That's really good shit.

1746
01:08:48.600 --> 01:08:50.220
It actually was a, isn't that beautiful?

1747
01:08:50.279 --> 01:08:52.920
But yeah, that was a thank you for putting that up.

1748
01:08:52.979 --> 01:08:56.460
It was a lovely piece of acting between some...

1749
01:08:56.699 --> 01:08:59.279
And and it's mostly on Liz.

1750
01:08:59.279 --> 01:09:00.720
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1751
01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:03.899
When, uh, straight after he says, you must go, then the, the shot

1752
01:09:03.899 --> 01:09:06.359
then lingers on Liz and stays on her.

1753
01:09:06.359 --> 01:09:10.680
And it's, it's the thing that Russell brings when he brings back

1754
01:09:10.680 --> 01:09:15.479
the new series of telling the emotional story of Doctor Who

1755
01:09:15.479 --> 01:09:17.340
through the eyes of the companion.

1756
01:09:17.579 --> 01:09:22.920
And it's something that arguably wasn't as prominent before

1757
01:09:22.920 --> 01:09:24.420
Sarah.

1758
01:09:24.479 --> 01:09:29.279
You know, I think I think Joe and Victoria and Barbara all had it

1759
01:09:29.279 --> 01:09:31.979
to an extent, but I think it comes to the fore really with Sarah.

1760
01:09:35.100 --> 01:09:36.600
Top sensitiser.

1761
01:09:36.600 --> 01:09:39.119
So they've invented touchscreens, the excellence.

1762
01:09:39.180 --> 01:09:40.199
It's nice, isn't it?

1763
01:09:40.260 --> 01:09:41.100
Multi-touch?

1764
01:09:41.159 --> 01:09:43.079
I believe they are multi-touch.

1765
01:09:43.140 --> 01:09:45.659
I think we do see the doctor touching it twice.

1766
01:09:49.020 --> 01:09:50.699
Thor Rex.

1767
01:09:50.760 --> 01:09:53.159
Have I said peranium again recently?

1768
01:09:53.819 --> 01:09:57.180
This is why he would have made a delightful companion.

1769
01:09:57.239 --> 01:09:59.460
I think I have read this before.

1770
01:09:59.520 --> 01:10:01.560
It was in Doctor Who magazine, and it could have been Robert

1771
01:10:01.560 --> 01:10:03.840
Holmes just being cheeky in the way that he does take the

1772
01:10:03.840 --> 01:10:10.380
maturation out of everybody, but he was home saying, you know, why

1773
01:10:10.380 --> 01:10:13.020
don't we just ask, well, our character took PB.

1774
01:10:13.079 --> 01:10:16.020
I sure it was never taken seriously, but you can see where he's

1775
01:10:16.020 --> 01:10:16.439
coming from.

1776
01:10:16.500 --> 01:10:18.720
I mean, you could do it now because you could have some sort of

1777
01:10:18.720 --> 01:10:22.140
like, cloaking device sort of projection thing over.

1778
01:10:22.199 --> 01:10:23.939
I guess now doll is a bit like that.

1779
01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:25.739
I, this is...

1780
01:10:25.739 --> 01:10:28.560
I prefer him to not, no do's, whatever his name is.

1781
01:10:28.619 --> 01:10:31.560
This was the original Cliffhanger. for this episode.

1782
01:10:31.619 --> 01:10:33.180
She must have been running very short.

1783
01:10:33.239 --> 01:10:34.020
It was.

1784
01:10:34.079 --> 01:10:37.680
And I don't know exactly why it was running short, but yeah.

1785
01:10:37.739 --> 01:10:39.720
It's a good cliffhanger too.

1786
01:10:39.779 --> 01:10:40.560
Pop, pop, pop.

1787
01:10:40.619 --> 01:10:43.079
Apparently the poor actors inside were going deaf, because those

1788
01:10:43.079 --> 01:10:45.960
guns were so loud inside the costumes. yeah.

1789
01:10:47.100 --> 01:10:51.300
Um, I believe also this was another one of those moments where

1790
01:10:51.300 --> 01:10:53.279
during filming they came around.

1791
01:10:53.399 --> 01:10:56.039
They came around the corner and had to be saying exterminate

1792
01:10:56.039 --> 01:10:58.800
exterminate, exterminate, and then, of course, John wasn't there.

1793
01:10:58.859 --> 01:10:59.880
Oh, bugger, lost.

1794
01:11:01.979 --> 01:11:06.899
Yeah, we've got the um, the, the Blake 7 skeleton gallery.

1795
01:11:06.960 --> 01:11:10.199
Well, I liked the skeleton in the foreground of that previous

1796
01:11:10.199 --> 01:11:10.560
shot.

1797
01:11:11.520 --> 01:11:13.859
Oh, I love this trap room.

1798
01:11:15.659 --> 01:11:18.720
Do we know what happened to Arnold Yarrow?

1799
01:11:18.960 --> 01:11:20.939
Whom we are watching right now?

1800
01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:23.939
He was still he was still around when the DVD came out because

1801
01:11:23.939 --> 01:11:26.520
he's on the making of talking about the wonderful time he had

1802
01:11:26.520 --> 01:11:26.819
making it.

1803
01:11:26.880 --> 01:11:29.340
Didn't he make it, didn't he always make it to 100?

1804
01:11:29.399 --> 01:11:30.840
I think he died a few years ago.

1805
01:11:30.899 --> 01:11:32.579
He's lovely.

1806
01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:34.920
I know he, we left, he retired from acting.

1807
01:11:35.039 --> 01:11:38.279
No, he did, and he was a script editor for years.

1808
01:11:38.340 --> 01:11:42.060
I remember that because again, he was interviewed in DWM, but he

1809
01:11:42.060 --> 01:11:43.260
so he lived a long time.

1810
01:11:43.319 --> 01:11:44.939
I hate to think any of these people are dead.

1811
01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:47.880
I don't know what you mean Well, Joey Harrison is, unfortunately

1812
01:11:47.880 --> 01:11:49.020
here with us, isn't she?

1813
01:11:49.079 --> 01:11:49.560
No.

1814
01:11:49.619 --> 01:11:50.220
Oh, stop it.

1815
01:11:50.399 --> 01:11:53.399
I don't want to play this game because it turns out a lot of

1816
01:11:53.399 --> 01:11:54.659
people I like are not here anymore.

1817
01:11:54.720 --> 01:11:57.359
Okay, Arnold's what Tom Baker says.

1818
01:11:57.420 --> 01:12:00.659
The television is the living being entertained by the dead.

1819
01:12:00.779 --> 01:12:04.619
Arnold Yarrow is 97 and still with us, apparently.

1820
01:12:04.680 --> 01:12:06.300
I knew it was ancient.

1821
01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:10.979
Actually, let me check that about Joy Stewart.

1822
01:12:11.039 --> 01:12:12.000
She may still be with us.

1823
01:12:12.359 --> 01:12:17.520
I love this, um, like, maze thing that... go through.

1824
01:12:17.579 --> 01:12:19.739
And, of course, how does the darling tour?

1825
01:12:19.859 --> 01:12:22.920
Yeah, it's the same way he makes little cardboard models of the

1826
01:12:22.920 --> 01:12:23.220
card.

1827
01:12:23.279 --> 01:12:26.699
Joy Harrison really squeeze his sucker right up.

1828
01:12:26.760 --> 01:12:28.380
I pity them.

1829
01:12:28.380 --> 01:12:31.079
The poor excellence who got into here and were by themselves

1830
01:12:31.079 --> 01:12:35.340
because you couldn't, you need 2 people, want to hold, put their

1831
01:12:35.340 --> 01:12:37.439
hand in the other to trace, I guess.

1832
01:12:37.500 --> 01:12:39.539
Oh, Joy Harrison is still with us.

1833
01:12:39.659 --> 01:12:41.579
Oh, that's right.

1834
01:12:41.640 --> 01:12:47.939
She's on the DVD, but um, I believe she's on the commentary, but

1835
01:12:47.939 --> 01:12:49.800
it's pre-recorded bits.

1836
01:12:49.859 --> 01:12:52.020
She couldn't actually come into the studio.

1837
01:12:52.079 --> 01:12:56.220
So I think because she still had the bruises from John New.

1838
01:12:59.279 --> 01:13:00.779
Did you know those guys?

1839
01:13:00.840 --> 01:13:02.699
Sorry, I had to go back to the Dalek guns when you see them.

1840
01:13:02.760 --> 01:13:06.720
They're actually proper guns firing blanks, which is why they

1841
01:13:06.720 --> 01:13:07.380
sound so terrible.

1842
01:13:07.439 --> 01:13:08.220
Yeah, yeah.

1843
01:13:08.220 --> 01:13:09.180
They're guns.

1844
01:13:09.239 --> 01:13:10.920
But they made old BBC.

1845
01:13:10.979 --> 01:13:13.619
You know how sometimes the video cameras are affected by the sound

1846
01:13:13.619 --> 01:13:17.579
of guns firing, and you get the coffee stripes along the picture.

1847
01:13:17.640 --> 01:13:19.500
Like you do get that here. wonderful.

1848
01:13:19.619 --> 01:13:20.520
Yeah, yeah.

1849
01:13:20.579 --> 01:13:21.539
Why would they do that?

1850
01:13:21.600 --> 01:13:25.800
They're firing real blanks, which still can still injure prop...

1851
01:13:25.859 --> 01:13:29.460
Oh, I know why it's to keep the BBC union boys in check, isn't

1852
01:13:29.460 --> 01:13:29.579
it?

1853
01:13:30.899 --> 01:13:32.279
want to do something.

1854
01:13:32.340 --> 01:13:33.899
Isn't this a gorgeous city, Todd?

1855
01:13:33.960 --> 01:13:36.300
This just works. doesn't it?

1856
01:13:36.420 --> 01:13:38.039
And again, you're getting a story within a story.

1857
01:13:38.159 --> 01:13:39.420
I think it does work.

1858
01:13:39.479 --> 01:13:40.979
It's very clean Yeah.

1859
01:13:40.979 --> 01:13:43.920
Our mother would be proud to be, yes.

1860
01:13:44.220 --> 01:13:45.600
Really?

1861
01:13:45.659 --> 01:13:47.939
So if you went to a restaurant and they were just sort of one or 2

1862
01:13:47.939 --> 01:13:51.119
corpses in the in the dining room, you'd still give it sort of 3

1863
01:13:51.119 --> 01:13:51.960
or 4 stars.

1864
01:13:52.079 --> 01:13:53.220
You'd say it's mostly clean.

1865
01:13:53.279 --> 01:13:55.079
We're here right now, aren't we?

1866
01:13:55.140 --> 01:13:57.960
The fact that it doesn't like other entities in it.

1867
01:13:58.020 --> 01:14:01.439
You'd think that these skeletons would have just turned to dust or

1868
01:14:01.439 --> 01:14:02.399
they would have got rid of it.

1869
01:14:02.460 --> 01:14:05.579
The static electricity backup dust at the same time.

1870
01:14:05.579 --> 01:14:08.520
I think the Daleks are innately clean creatures.

1871
01:14:08.579 --> 01:14:09.720
Hold on to you.

1872
01:14:10.020 --> 01:14:13.500
Horses, people, because there's a cliffhanger coming.

1873
01:14:13.560 --> 01:14:15.180
That's some scariest one of all time.

1874
01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:16.619
It was so good.

1875
01:14:16.680 --> 01:14:18.479
Terrence used it again.

1876
01:14:20.279 --> 01:14:24.779
Fairly ominous floor covering. of tomb.

1877
01:14:28.140 --> 01:14:29.880
You're right, though.

1878
01:14:29.939 --> 01:14:32.460
It should have been cut and just allowed to run short because it

1879
01:14:32.460 --> 01:14:33.479
would have been so exciting.

1880
01:14:33.539 --> 01:14:35.640
Dun, dun, dun.

1881
01:14:36.720 --> 01:14:38.819
Oh, yeah, I know.

1882
01:14:38.939 --> 01:14:40.380
I never got good as a kid.

1883
01:14:40.439 --> 01:14:42.060
Why are they stopping over that?

1884
01:14:42.060 --> 01:14:44.340
I think back in the day.

1885
01:14:44.399 --> 01:14:47.460
I think it was Rob Sheman who said maybe the doctor's just scared

1886
01:14:47.460 --> 01:14:48.000
of rugs.

1887
01:14:48.060 --> 01:14:49.680
Could be a thing.

1888
01:14:49.739 --> 01:14:51.180
It's a proper phobia.

1889
01:14:51.239 --> 01:14:52.439
It's a DSM four.

1890
01:14:52.979 --> 01:14:56.100
Rugby, there he is.

1891
01:14:56.100 --> 01:14:57.239
Go Tal.

1892
01:14:57.300 --> 01:15:01.140
Yeah, we didn't see the Bilal and Gotal spinoff where you're

1893
01:15:01.140 --> 01:15:01.859
longed for, did we?

1894
01:15:02.760 --> 01:15:04.319
No.

1895
01:15:04.439 --> 01:15:06.840
I mean, they're going to have discussion topics like, you know, um

1896
01:15:06.840 --> 01:15:08.640
Dalek mining.

1897
01:15:08.699 --> 01:15:10.979
Is it a health hazard or a great diet plan?

1898
01:15:11.039 --> 01:15:14.460
On the intensive late night news chat show, yes.

1899
01:15:14.520 --> 01:15:15.960
Can we have a round?

1900
01:15:15.960 --> 01:15:16.680
Just like a late line.

1901
01:15:16.739 --> 01:15:19.199
Can we have a round of applause for the London saxophone quartet?

1902
01:15:19.560 --> 01:15:23.279
And Michael Bryant for using them again, because you use them, of

1903
01:15:23.279 --> 01:15:26.220
course, on what was the Revenge of the Cybermen.

1904
01:15:26.279 --> 01:15:30.659
Yeah, he will later on. haven't we had, haven't we had Mr. Blighton

1905
01:15:30.659 --> 01:15:31.979
previously on the Salu Rings?

1906
01:15:32.039 --> 01:15:33.420
You know, I just like to say...

1907
01:15:33.420 --> 01:15:35.880
No, but he was using a kazoo, wasn't he mostly?

1908
01:15:35.939 --> 01:15:37.560
Ancient instrument.

1909
01:15:37.619 --> 01:15:40.859
I'd like to say that I really, really like this opening title

1910
01:15:40.859 --> 01:15:41.640
sequence.

1911
01:15:42.119 --> 01:15:46.079
I've never really appreciate...

1912
01:15:46.079 --> 01:15:47.399
You know, I can hear that as often.

1913
01:15:47.460 --> 01:15:50.460
I'm going to go home and watch this again in the comfort and

1914
01:15:50.460 --> 01:15:53.699
privacy of my own video lounge and just immerse myself in it.

1915
01:15:53.760 --> 01:15:55.859
Play with my cool action dollies.

1916
01:15:55.920 --> 01:15:57.180
Here it is.

1917
01:15:57.239 --> 01:15:58.979
I thought you were going to say peranium.

1918
01:15:59.039 --> 01:16:01.079
Well, that goes without saying.

1919
01:16:01.199 --> 01:16:04.739
No, I have started building the console room again from the 5.5

1920
01:16:04.739 --> 01:16:06.840
inch figures. get photos when I finally get there.

1921
01:16:07.260 --> 01:16:09.720
He makes such a great companion.

1922
01:16:09.779 --> 01:16:11.520
Thank you for pointing that out.

1923
01:16:11.579 --> 01:16:12.300
I think so.

1924
01:16:12.359 --> 01:16:15.659
I think he would be And do you fear an empty room?

1925
01:16:15.720 --> 01:16:16.739
It could carry it off.

1926
01:16:16.800 --> 01:16:19.380
Just for another story or two, just to the end.

1927
01:16:19.439 --> 01:16:20.939
Do you think Petry does this better than Handel?

1928
01:16:21.000 --> 01:16:22.079
Oh, yes.

1929
01:16:22.079 --> 01:16:24.479
I was expecting him to go 3.141.

1930
01:16:24.479 --> 01:16:26.340
265.

1931
01:16:26.520 --> 01:16:31.800
I just love how the original broadcast version of the 5 doctors

1932
01:16:31.800 --> 01:16:36.899
uses, I believe, Herndel getting pie slightly wrong.

1933
01:16:36.960 --> 01:16:40.380
So for the special edition, they changed it to a take where

1934
01:16:40.380 --> 01:16:42.840
Herndel gets the figure for pie completely wrong.

1935
01:16:42.960 --> 01:16:44.520
Brilliant.

1936
01:16:44.579 --> 01:16:45.119
Yeah, yeah.

1937
01:16:45.180 --> 01:16:46.439
No, there's a rounding error.

1938
01:16:46.500 --> 01:16:48.720
I think it's 539 or something.

1939
01:16:48.779 --> 01:16:51.720
So, yeah.

1940
01:16:51.779 --> 01:16:55.140
Before you start saying naughty things about Curry Blyton, he was

1941
01:16:55.140 --> 01:16:57.960
actually a big coup and there were press releases at the time

1942
01:16:57.960 --> 01:17:00.960
saying, because he was the, I think he was a Guildhall musician.

1943
01:17:01.020 --> 01:17:05.579
But he cited another stuff when I did big music at school.

1944
01:17:05.640 --> 01:17:09.899
At least actually goes on to bigger things.

1945
01:17:09.960 --> 01:17:13.380
No, who doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he actually gets inside

1946
01:17:13.380 --> 01:17:16.920
the squares and not just wandering across.

1947
01:17:16.979 --> 01:17:18.779
Yes, like...

1948
01:17:18.840 --> 01:17:21.000
You know when you go along the pavement as a kid and you don't

1949
01:17:21.000 --> 01:17:21.840
want to step on the cracks.

1950
01:17:21.899 --> 01:17:23.340
Like, it's like, you know, yes.

1951
01:17:23.399 --> 01:17:26.579
That's why Richard Herndl's later cleaning business didn't do very

1952
01:17:26.579 --> 01:17:27.060
well at all.

1953
01:17:27.119 --> 01:17:28.439
Uncheated by that.

1954
01:17:28.500 --> 01:17:33.060
We should have seen those daleks do that friggin' maze. always

1955
01:17:33.060 --> 01:17:36.659
annoys me. maze is horrifically easy as well.

1956
01:17:36.720 --> 01:17:39.720
Yeah, he still seems to be perplexed when there's a very straight

1957
01:17:39.720 --> 01:17:42.840
kind of, he has to go round one corner and it's at the end.

1958
01:17:42.899 --> 01:17:43.979
It's kind of...

1959
01:17:43.979 --> 01:17:46.020
How dumb are those?

1960
01:17:46.020 --> 01:17:46.439
Yeah.

1961
01:17:46.439 --> 01:17:47.880
How stupid are those helators?

1962
01:17:47.939 --> 01:17:48.479
This is lovely.

1963
01:17:48.539 --> 01:17:49.859
Come on, come on, come on.

1964
01:17:50.399 --> 01:17:52.439
I mean, God, Arnold.

1965
01:17:52.439 --> 01:17:53.340
Yarrow is tiny.

1966
01:17:53.399 --> 01:17:54.420
He's probably shorter than me.

1967
01:17:54.479 --> 01:17:56.699
It's not possible. disappeared.

1968
01:17:57.420 --> 01:17:59.579
But his little friend, go tell, was even shorter than him.

1969
01:17:59.640 --> 01:18:00.539
Yeah, I know, I know.

1970
01:18:00.600 --> 01:18:01.619
They would have made great Daleks.

1971
01:18:02.699 --> 01:18:05.939
You would have had to chop one of their arms off, I think, to get

1972
01:18:05.939 --> 01:18:07.800
them on a bowel, probably.

1973
01:18:08.640 --> 01:18:10.319
Oh, here we go.

1974
01:18:10.319 --> 01:18:10.979
Jubilee.

1975
01:18:11.279 --> 01:18:16.380
And yeah, yeah, Terrence just nicks this entirely for the 5

1976
01:18:16.380 --> 01:18:16.800
doctors.

1977
01:18:16.859 --> 01:18:20.819
Well, the entire thing, you know, like a series of sort of stupid

1978
01:18:20.819 --> 01:18:22.979
traps to prevent you from getting into the city.

1979
01:18:23.039 --> 01:18:25.260
It is just a delaying tactic.

1980
01:18:25.319 --> 01:18:26.399
There's no...

1981
01:18:26.460 --> 01:18:29.039
But it is a, it is actually, um, a try to haggard.

1982
01:18:29.100 --> 01:18:31.800
Yeah, so it's not even original to doctor.

1983
01:18:31.920 --> 01:18:35.039
King Solomon's one. are the pleasures they have in store for us.

1984
01:18:35.039 --> 01:18:39.000
But they found these are the cities that were found in the middle

1985
01:18:39.000 --> 01:18:39.960
of African jungles.

1986
01:18:40.020 --> 01:18:43.079
And there was a whole debate, well, early 20th century, but, you

1987
01:18:43.079 --> 01:18:44.760
know, this is what these writers grew up on.

1988
01:18:44.819 --> 01:18:48.000
But the questions of who could have built this because you have

1989
01:18:48.000 --> 01:18:48.659
the attrition.

1990
01:18:48.720 --> 01:18:53.100
And it was where the understanding properly came into archeology

1991
01:18:53.100 --> 01:18:57.840
that civilisations are entirely prone to that 2nd law of the my

1992
01:18:57.840 --> 01:18:58.319
dynamics.

1993
01:18:58.380 --> 01:19:01.979
They're always quoting at parties, which is why we have as many

1994
01:19:01.979 --> 01:19:02.760
friends as we have.

1995
01:19:03.060 --> 01:19:07.619
But yeah, yeah, that they actually did believe that the people

1996
01:19:07.619 --> 01:19:10.920
came from the north to build these enormous African cities, but of

1997
01:19:10.920 --> 01:19:13.079
course they're not wearing pith helmets and they didn't go to nice

1998
01:19:13.079 --> 01:19:13.439
schools.

1999
01:19:13.500 --> 01:19:14.460
They couldn't have done it themselves.

2000
01:19:14.520 --> 01:19:16.560
It's Todd's favourite beach.

2001
01:19:16.619 --> 01:19:18.000
I find them doing it.

2002
01:19:18.060 --> 01:19:19.079
I find this hilarious.

2003
01:19:19.140 --> 01:19:21.060
Like the Daleks response too.

2004
01:19:21.119 --> 01:19:23.279
Oh, my mate got electric. going to shoot at the thing.

2005
01:19:23.340 --> 01:19:24.539
She's the bugger off.

2006
01:19:24.600 --> 01:19:26.399
You think Daleks are Australian?

2007
01:19:28.199 --> 01:19:33.000
Uh...

2008
01:19:33.000 --> 01:19:33.899
I would really have heard.

2009
01:19:33.960 --> 01:19:35.279
It's not even over 9000.

2010
01:19:40.199 --> 01:19:43.140
It's this proper 60s Stalic stories.

2011
01:19:43.199 --> 01:19:44.880
I like this way to observe.

2012
01:19:44.939 --> 01:19:46.560
The Darlings actually get dialogue.

2013
01:19:46.619 --> 01:19:49.140
You know, they don't have Davros to give all of the dialogue too

2014
01:19:49.140 --> 01:19:51.960
so that the Daleks can just say cyclocate exterminator.

2015
01:19:52.020 --> 01:19:52.739
Interesting you say that.

2016
01:19:52.800 --> 01:19:55.140
I meant thought of Davros once in this story.

2017
01:19:56.100 --> 01:19:57.960
That's what was different.

2018
01:19:58.020 --> 01:19:59.520
I can think this is different.

2019
01:19:59.579 --> 01:20:00.600
Why the diet's talking so much?

2020
01:20:00.600 --> 01:20:01.619
because Davros isn't in it.

2021
01:20:01.680 --> 01:20:04.380
They're actually interesting in their own account and they were

2022
01:20:04.380 --> 01:20:05.699
for quite a considerable time.

2023
01:20:05.760 --> 01:20:09.359
It's an empty room just in case you didn't notice.

2024
01:20:09.420 --> 01:20:11.159
The BBC execs love these bits.

2025
01:20:11.279 --> 01:20:15.840
It's very telling that over at Big Finish for their 1st 4 years.

2026
01:20:16.079 --> 01:20:19.020
Not only did they not have the rights for Deveros.

2027
01:20:19.079 --> 01:20:22.079
They didn't seek the rights for Davros until they really wanted to

2028
01:20:22.079 --> 01:20:23.100
use him.

2029
01:20:23.159 --> 01:20:25.739
And so in that 1st 4 years, they made Dalek Empire.

2030
01:20:25.800 --> 01:20:29.039
They made lots of Dalek stories, specifically focussing on, no, you

2031
01:20:29.039 --> 01:20:31.020
can make a Dalek story without Daros.

2032
01:20:31.079 --> 01:20:34.680
And then when they bring Davros in, they do Davros, which doesn't

2033
01:20:34.680 --> 01:20:37.800
feature the Daleks, and I Davros, which doesn't feature the

2034
01:20:37.800 --> 01:20:38.460
Daleks.

2035
01:20:38.520 --> 01:20:43.199
So they explored both Daleks and Davros and proved, yes, you can

2036
01:20:43.199 --> 01:20:45.060
do interesting dialogue with them, Mr. Saywood.

2037
01:20:45.119 --> 01:20:47.640
Well, I mean, Russell did the same thing.

2038
01:20:47.699 --> 01:20:51.899
You know, it's it's not until the end of what, season four.

2039
01:20:51.899 --> 01:20:52.500
Yeah, absolutely.

2040
01:20:52.500 --> 01:20:54.060
That we get...

2041
01:20:54.119 --> 01:20:55.500
I love all this.

2042
01:20:55.560 --> 01:20:58.920
The fact that the girls are together and actually, you know

2043
01:20:58.920 --> 01:20:59.819
they're going to sort out.

2044
01:20:59.819 --> 01:21:01.380
Leading the resistance, it's great.

2045
01:21:01.439 --> 01:21:03.060
This mineral mining thing.

2046
01:21:03.180 --> 01:21:04.680
Passing the Bechdel test.

2047
01:21:04.739 --> 01:21:05.939
Yeah, absolutely.

2048
01:21:06.000 --> 01:21:07.140
And back to back.

2049
01:21:07.199 --> 01:21:07.979
That's a great shock.

2050
01:21:07.979 --> 01:21:09.300
Oh, wait, we're talking about the doctor.

2051
01:21:09.479 --> 01:21:13.319
But but also, you know, these 2 are teaming up.

2052
01:21:13.380 --> 01:21:14.520
Sarah is a journalist.

2053
01:21:14.579 --> 01:21:16.979
Giel is a civilian geologist.

2054
01:21:17.039 --> 01:21:19.979
This is in a story with lots of military men acting gruff.

2055
01:21:20.279 --> 01:21:26.279
And it's these 2 who form an instrumental part in getting the drug

2056
01:21:26.279 --> 01:21:27.899
they need on board the ship.

2057
01:21:27.899 --> 01:21:30.479
Under the noses of the Daleks.

2058
01:21:30.539 --> 01:21:32.939
It's very, very impressive.

2059
01:21:33.000 --> 01:21:36.060
I mean, putting aside the fact that I've complained about Joy

2060
01:21:36.060 --> 01:21:37.140
Harrison's performance before.

2061
01:21:37.199 --> 01:21:38.640
But why?

2062
01:21:38.699 --> 01:21:40.500
I remember you did it on the original.

2063
01:21:40.560 --> 01:21:43.020
I just find it's all very one level.

2064
01:21:43.500 --> 01:21:47.399
You know, recently we've been watching Rod and I've been watching

2065
01:21:47.399 --> 01:21:52.739
series 2 of the Avengers, which has Julie Stevens as Venus Smith

2066
01:21:52.739 --> 01:21:53.819
who isn't bad.

2067
01:21:56.220 --> 01:21:59.399
Well, particularly her singing is awful to listen to.

2068
01:21:59.460 --> 01:22:00.659
Not because she's a bad guy.

2069
01:22:01.020 --> 01:22:04.199
Not because she's a bad singer.

2070
01:22:04.260 --> 01:22:07.500
She's actually a good singer, but there is no variation.

2071
01:22:07.560 --> 01:22:09.239
Everything's just sung on the one level.

2072
01:22:09.239 --> 01:22:11.640
And that's how I see Joey Harrison's performance.

2073
01:22:11.699 --> 01:22:12.840
It's all on one level.

2074
01:22:12.899 --> 01:22:16.560
It's not necessarily bad in and of itself, but it's just like, I

2075
01:22:16.560 --> 01:22:18.359
would like to see some light and shade in there.

2076
01:22:18.420 --> 01:22:21.239
Do you think the fact that Liz is in this giving a lot of

2077
01:22:21.239 --> 01:22:23.460
variation might heighten that?

2078
01:22:23.520 --> 01:22:26.520
That that could also be...

2079
01:22:26.579 --> 01:22:27.119
Yeah, yeah.

2080
01:22:27.180 --> 01:22:31.739
Do you think that Jill and Sarah are at home doing the housework

2081
01:22:31.739 --> 01:22:34.199
while the boys have adventures in the Excellon City?

2082
01:22:34.260 --> 01:22:37.800
I think the boys are mucking around playing video games in the

2083
01:22:37.800 --> 01:22:40.319
Exalon City and Jill and Sarah are getting the proper work done.

2084
01:22:40.380 --> 01:22:42.840
I like this a lot.

2085
01:22:42.899 --> 01:22:48.239
Yeah. poetry's going to unscrew him if he doesn't put the gun

2086
01:22:48.239 --> 01:22:48.539
down.

2087
01:22:48.659 --> 01:22:51.000
Yeah, John's giving it some proper acting here.

2088
01:22:51.060 --> 01:22:53.039
Wow, which is John acting.

2089
01:22:53.699 --> 01:22:56.819
And and then and then he gives Bilal a hug.

2090
01:22:57.600 --> 01:23:00.779
It was like a blinding, like, poor little guy.

2091
01:23:01.020 --> 01:23:02.939
Oh, it's very sweet.

2092
01:23:03.119 --> 01:23:04.979
But yeah, that's the thing.

2093
01:23:05.039 --> 01:23:07.800
I think, as you say, Nathan, it's a delaying tactic.

2094
01:23:07.859 --> 01:23:10.319
The doctor and Bala are walking on a treadmill until the blot

2095
01:23:10.319 --> 01:23:10.800
starts again.

2096
01:23:10.859 --> 01:23:13.859
So Sarah's just like, well, bugger it. get the drug onto the

2097
01:23:13.859 --> 01:23:14.460
spaceship.

2098
01:23:14.579 --> 01:23:16.560
But life is often like that.

2099
01:23:16.560 --> 01:23:19.079
That is true. always like that in my experience.

2100
01:23:19.199 --> 01:23:21.840
It doesn't feel like a delaying tactic, you know?

2101
01:23:21.899 --> 01:23:24.539
There's other stories where it feels like a delaying tactic here.

2102
01:23:24.600 --> 01:23:26.579
Yeah, and I think, well, there's a cause.

2103
01:23:26.699 --> 01:23:28.439
Pyramids of Mars episode four.

2104
01:23:28.500 --> 01:23:29.039
Yeah.

2105
01:23:29.039 --> 01:23:30.960
It is very definitely at the lane.

2106
01:23:31.079 --> 01:23:34.560
I think I think it's because you've split up the 2 protagonists.

2107
01:23:34.619 --> 01:23:38.640
So you've got the doctor and a new character in the form of Bilal

2108
01:23:38.640 --> 01:23:40.619
you've got Sarah with Jill Tarrant.

2109
01:23:40.680 --> 01:23:44.279
So, Whereas in Pyramids of Mars, you've got the doctor and Sarah

2110
01:23:44.279 --> 01:23:46.800
together, and they're great together, but you kind of know what to

2111
01:23:46.800 --> 01:23:47.220
expect.

2112
01:23:47.279 --> 01:23:50.520
Whereas here you get a few surprises, like Bilal turning on the

2113
01:23:50.520 --> 01:23:50.699
doctor.

2114
01:23:50.760 --> 01:23:52.079
Now it's nighttime.

2115
01:23:52.140 --> 01:23:56.880
And this thing is happening too, with Galloway and Julian having

2116
01:23:56.880 --> 01:23:58.500
to climb up the top of a thing.

2117
01:23:58.560 --> 01:24:01.859
Problem is whenever I hear the name Julian, and especially with

2118
01:24:01.859 --> 01:24:07.079
his performance, I'm expecting Anne and George and Timmy the dog.

2119
01:24:07.140 --> 01:24:07.380
Yeah.

2120
01:24:09.840 --> 01:24:12.180
This is the one thing that I kind of think.

2121
01:24:12.239 --> 01:24:16.560
They've got a long way to climb and it's not like, you know

2122
01:24:16.560 --> 01:24:19.319
they've got to do this every single time to keep going up and up.

2123
01:24:19.380 --> 01:24:21.899
They would be exhausted by the time they get to the top of this.

2124
01:24:21.960 --> 01:24:25.380
A lot of carrying bombs around, just like in Planet of...

2125
01:24:25.439 --> 01:24:26.340
Hello, Terry.

2126
01:24:27.239 --> 01:24:30.720
I think these are I think these are even the same bulbs.

2127
01:24:30.779 --> 01:24:32.399
Great, big bulbs.

2128
01:24:33.239 --> 01:24:33.600
Yes.

2129
01:24:33.659 --> 01:24:37.199
And of course, it was after this when he started writing Genesis

2130
01:24:37.199 --> 01:24:42.420
of Daleks and turned in a draft plot outline that Terence and

2131
01:24:42.420 --> 01:24:46.199
Barry said, it's an excellent story, Terence, but it's the same

2132
01:24:46.199 --> 01:24:48.720
one you sold us last year and I'm not entirely convinced you

2133
01:24:48.720 --> 01:24:50.279
didn't sell it to us the year before that.

2134
01:24:50.340 --> 01:24:54.840
And to his credit, Terry was apparently mortified when they sat

2135
01:24:54.840 --> 01:24:58.500
down with the 3 plot outlines together and says, you know, this is

2136
01:24:58.500 --> 01:25:00.720
where the dialects come in and this is where they carry the bombs

2137
01:25:00.720 --> 01:25:04.260
et cetera, et cetera. and Terry apparently went, oh my god, you

2138
01:25:04.260 --> 01:25:08.760
know, I didn't realise I've been writing this story since 1964.

2139
01:25:08.880 --> 01:25:11.640
She's suffering from Alzheimer's or something.

2140
01:25:11.699 --> 01:25:14.159
Well, you know, I think...

2141
01:25:14.220 --> 01:25:17.100
But in Australia, we'd only seen Planet of the Daleks, what, once

2142
01:25:17.100 --> 01:25:19.619
in the very early 70s, before any of our memory.

2143
01:25:19.680 --> 01:25:20.399
No, we hadn't.

2144
01:25:20.460 --> 01:25:22.380
Because it had the black and white episode?

2145
01:25:22.439 --> 01:25:24.420
Yeah, but that only came later.

2146
01:25:24.479 --> 01:25:28.439
So we got to see this and Planet of the Spiders and Monster of

2147
01:25:28.439 --> 01:25:29.100
Paladon.

2148
01:25:29.100 --> 01:25:33.060
And Time Warrior, kind of almost every 18 months throughout the

2149
01:25:33.060 --> 01:25:33.720
end of the 70s.

2150
01:25:33.779 --> 01:25:34.859
But not much else.

2151
01:25:34.920 --> 01:25:35.520
Yeah.

2152
01:25:35.520 --> 01:25:37.979
And no Delgados.

2153
01:25:38.939 --> 01:25:40.920
Straight from spear.

2154
01:25:41.039 --> 01:25:41.460
Yeah.

2155
01:25:41.460 --> 01:25:42.899
We got Green Death.

2156
01:25:42.960 --> 01:25:46.020
We did get a few of Katie's stories, but not...

2157
01:25:46.079 --> 01:25:47.100
I remember getting those.

2158
01:25:47.159 --> 01:25:48.720
Yeah, we had 3 doctors, Green Death.

2159
01:25:48.779 --> 01:25:50.819
I remember Carnival Monsters.

2160
01:25:50.880 --> 01:25:53.819
I don't know about Day of the Daleks or the mutants, but I

2161
01:25:53.819 --> 01:25:54.659
remember...

2162
01:25:54.720 --> 01:25:56.279
We did have Day of the Daleks a few times over.

2163
01:25:56.340 --> 01:25:57.420
We didn't have the mutants.

2164
01:25:57.479 --> 01:26:00.779
This reminds me of this guy looking at the Dr. Bell very much of

2165
01:26:00.779 --> 01:26:02.520
the hand of fear with the other...

2166
01:26:02.520 --> 01:26:05.340
Oh, Rokon.

2167
01:26:05.340 --> 01:26:05.819
On looking.

2168
01:26:05.880 --> 01:26:07.140
Oh, is it Rogon?

2169
01:26:07.260 --> 01:26:09.180
I like that actually.

2170
01:26:09.239 --> 01:26:10.140
That does give it something.

2171
01:26:10.260 --> 01:26:12.539
Now, that person got quite a long way into the city.

2172
01:26:12.600 --> 01:26:13.380
He was super smart.

2173
01:26:13.380 --> 01:26:14.520
He's dead.

2174
01:26:14.579 --> 01:26:17.039
I'm very lucky to get over the doormat of death.

2175
01:26:17.100 --> 01:26:18.000
Yeah that's true.

2176
01:26:18.119 --> 01:26:19.079
He probably left.

2177
01:26:19.140 --> 01:26:21.239
Well, he probably had rugophobia as well.

2178
01:26:21.300 --> 01:26:22.319
It could.

2179
01:26:22.380 --> 01:26:23.520
He could have just been one of the cleaners.

2180
01:26:23.579 --> 01:26:24.840
I don't think they looked after their staff.

2181
01:26:24.899 --> 01:26:25.920
Little Bell Owls.

2182
01:26:26.039 --> 01:26:27.479
He's such a liability, isn't he?

2183
01:26:27.840 --> 01:26:30.239
and he's going to sort of fall over.

2184
01:26:30.300 --> 01:26:31.920
Oh, here he go.

2185
01:26:31.979 --> 01:26:32.460
Gurning.

2186
01:26:32.520 --> 01:26:34.619
It's just a box of flashing lights.

2187
01:26:34.859 --> 01:26:37.619
It's another as a flashback.

2188
01:26:37.680 --> 01:26:38.100
Oh my goodness.

2189
01:26:38.159 --> 01:26:40.739
We're not going into an alternative sideways universe.

2190
01:26:40.859 --> 01:26:43.859
That is pretty psychedelic. gorgeous.

2191
01:26:43.920 --> 01:26:45.600
I've forgotten this.

2192
01:26:45.659 --> 01:26:48.060
Yeah, it's what the cities were all about, kids.

2193
01:26:48.119 --> 01:26:51.300
It's the same effect that they did for Stevens, isn't it?

2194
01:26:51.359 --> 01:26:53.220
in um in Green Death.

2195
01:26:53.340 --> 01:26:55.199
Oh, and there's some Mirlon.

2196
01:26:55.260 --> 01:26:56.939
They're going all out, aren't they?

2197
01:26:57.000 --> 01:27:00.420
This is why your mum and dad used to go quite 8 at Christmas

2198
01:27:00.420 --> 01:27:03.600
because those lights, which all of that, the whole thing.

2199
01:27:03.659 --> 01:27:07.020
That's really, Todd's actually starting to spit out green pea soup

2200
01:27:07.020 --> 01:27:07.560
do you listen?

2201
01:27:07.619 --> 01:27:08.760
It's getting a bit scary in here.

2202
01:27:08.819 --> 01:27:10.560
I have to remember.

2203
01:27:10.560 --> 01:27:12.300
Oh, that's funny. bad.

2204
01:27:12.359 --> 01:27:12.840
That's bad.

2205
01:27:12.899 --> 01:27:14.939
He looks really haggard there.

2206
01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:16.140
That's the moment.

2207
01:27:16.199 --> 01:27:17.340
He's decided to quit.

2208
01:27:19.260 --> 01:27:22.979
This is the last...

2209
01:27:23.039 --> 01:27:24.300
It was.

2210
01:27:25.979 --> 01:27:27.539
What did he do for another 30 years?

2211
01:27:27.600 --> 01:27:29.699
He did that who done it show?

2212
01:27:29.699 --> 01:27:31.560
immediately afterwards, and that's it.

2213
01:27:31.619 --> 01:27:33.180
And then Woozle Gummidge.

2214
01:27:33.239 --> 01:27:36.359
Yeah, well...

2215
01:27:36.420 --> 01:27:40.260
Well, he loved it, and children loved it.

2216
01:27:40.319 --> 01:27:45.060
But, you know, he said, I was honoured when I, by the fans when I

2217
01:27:45.060 --> 01:27:48.000
did this and, and when I did Wizel Gummage, children used to come

2218
01:27:48.000 --> 01:27:48.779
up and pinch me.

2219
01:27:48.840 --> 01:27:53.399
But remember, like, you know, by the time he finishes gum engine

2220
01:27:53.399 --> 01:27:58.020
that he's in his 60s, you know, like, you know, so retirement, you

2221
01:27:58.020 --> 01:27:58.260
know.

2222
01:27:58.260 --> 01:28:00.779
Oh, dear.

2223
01:28:00.840 --> 01:28:03.300
Did you put farting noises on this too?

2224
01:28:03.359 --> 01:28:06.659
That's awesome He was a Jedi all the time.

2225
01:28:08.340 --> 01:28:12.300
Gentlemen, I have a question for you when you when you 1st saw

2226
01:28:12.300 --> 01:28:13.199
this in the...

2227
01:28:13.260 --> 01:28:13.800
Current of air.

2228
01:28:13.859 --> 01:28:14.399
Yes, come on.

2229
01:28:14.460 --> 01:28:15.359
Did...

2230
01:28:15.420 --> 01:28:17.699
Well, 1st of all, did you have a television at the time and 2nd of

2231
01:28:17.699 --> 01:28:18.659
all, did you see it in colour?

2232
01:28:18.720 --> 01:28:19.560
Yes, yes.

2233
01:28:19.619 --> 01:28:22.619
78 So colour TV comes to Australia in 75.

2234
01:28:22.800 --> 01:28:23.520
Yes.

2235
01:28:23.579 --> 01:28:24.180
Yes.

2236
01:28:24.180 --> 01:28:25.800
So I definitely saw it.

2237
01:28:25.859 --> 01:28:27.359
Oh, it's a pre-orac, Aurac.

2238
01:28:27.600 --> 01:28:31.020
I think we'd had this in 77 as well.

2239
01:28:31.079 --> 01:28:32.460
Look, I'd have to go back and check.

2240
01:28:32.520 --> 01:28:35.760
I only ever remember this in colour and I'm a couple of years

2241
01:28:35.760 --> 01:28:36.420
younger than you guys.

2242
01:28:36.479 --> 01:28:38.039
We got a colour TV series.

2243
01:28:38.100 --> 01:28:38.880
One series 7.

2244
01:28:38.939 --> 01:28:40.199
No, a couple.

2245
01:28:43.319 --> 01:28:47.279
Um, this was actually, I'm asking because I'm, I've been looking

2246
01:28:47.279 --> 01:28:50.340
up, um, broad DW cast.

2247
01:28:50.399 --> 01:28:54.539
And according to that in New Zealand, this was the 1st story

2248
01:28:54.539 --> 01:28:59.579
transmitted in colour in August 1976, Australia 1st transmitted it

2249
01:28:59.579 --> 01:29:01.079
in April 1975.

2250
01:29:01.560 --> 01:29:03.359
Now by...

2251
01:29:03.359 --> 01:29:05.159
That's when we 1st saw it, yes.

2252
01:29:05.220 --> 01:29:06.960
Well, I didn't. didn't see it till 78.

2253
01:29:07.079 --> 01:29:08.279
No, that was my 1st season.

2254
01:29:08.340 --> 01:29:16.680
I saw the 75 season And um, The ABC had been sent it in 1974 as a

2255
01:29:16.680 --> 01:29:19.560
black and white print, but it appears in early 1975.

2256
01:29:19.800 --> 01:29:22.680
They said to the BBC, could you please send us colour tapes.

2257
01:29:22.739 --> 01:29:26.819
So this may also have been one of the very 1st ones broadcasting

2258
01:29:26.819 --> 01:29:27.180
colour.

2259
01:29:27.239 --> 01:29:31.020
This could make a sense as to why we kept seeing those pertly ones

2260
01:29:31.020 --> 01:29:32.159
because they were the colour ones.

2261
01:29:32.279 --> 01:29:33.119
Yeah, yeah.

2262
01:29:33.180 --> 01:29:35.939
Planet of the Daleks because episode 3 was in...

2263
01:29:36.000 --> 01:29:38.100
I like this. gorgeous, isn't it?

2264
01:29:38.159 --> 01:29:38.939
It is one of the great moments.

2265
01:29:39.060 --> 01:29:41.340
This is where my childhood copy cuts out.

2266
01:29:41.399 --> 01:29:42.659
Oh, it's dear.

2267
01:29:42.720 --> 01:29:47.340
Meanwhile, they've made a very good progress and that, the bottom

2268
01:29:47.340 --> 01:29:49.199
of that beacon, too small.

2269
01:29:49.260 --> 01:29:50.520
No, I agree.

2270
01:29:50.579 --> 01:29:53.760
But that's only because the space bottoms are so large in

2271
01:29:53.760 --> 01:29:54.420
comparison.

2272
01:29:54.479 --> 01:29:55.199
Oh, okay.

2273
01:29:55.199 --> 01:29:56.699
It's a forced perspective.

2274
01:29:56.760 --> 01:29:57.899
Which bottom do you prefer?

2275
01:29:58.020 --> 01:30:00.239
If I had the choice, neither.

2276
01:30:00.300 --> 01:30:01.079
Okay.

2277
01:30:01.079 --> 01:30:04.560
If I have the choice, the bottom of the building.

2278
01:30:05.340 --> 01:30:07.260
They are the bombs.

2279
01:30:07.319 --> 01:30:08.279
Are they the bombs from?

2280
01:30:08.279 --> 01:30:09.960
No, they are different.

2281
01:30:10.020 --> 01:30:11.760
They aren't they are a completely different prop.

2282
01:30:11.819 --> 01:30:14.760
That's what I thought as well, but they are a completely different

2283
01:30:14.760 --> 01:30:15.060
problem.

2284
01:30:15.180 --> 01:30:18.720
And they do they do stick on rather...

2285
01:30:18.840 --> 01:30:19.199
Oh dear.

2286
01:30:19.260 --> 01:30:21.300
We moved on. wobbled a bit.

2287
01:30:21.359 --> 01:30:24.359
The memory cheats because from the last time I watched this about

2288
01:30:24.359 --> 01:30:28.680
a year ago, I don't remember that warble. let me do it.

2289
01:30:31.739 --> 01:30:33.180
Yeah, stop messing about.

2290
01:30:33.239 --> 01:30:34.500
It's like that, isn't it?

2291
01:30:34.500 --> 01:30:35.640
too, paddock.

2292
01:30:35.939 --> 01:30:38.279
One charge is enough, chance.

2293
01:30:38.340 --> 01:30:42.539
So he's already planning to sacrifice himself nobly, isn't he?

2294
01:30:42.600 --> 01:30:43.260
Bless him.

2295
01:30:44.039 --> 01:30:46.079
I'm not sure about that.

2296
01:30:46.140 --> 01:30:47.699
But he has a plan.

2297
01:30:47.760 --> 01:30:49.800
He just wants to blow something up, probably.

2298
01:30:49.859 --> 01:30:50.760
Maybe.

2299
01:30:50.760 --> 01:30:54.119
Because it was already one step ahead of Ronald D. Moore's cylons

2300
01:30:54.119 --> 01:30:54.420
then.

2301
01:30:54.479 --> 01:30:58.199
Yeah, he has a plan. not just making it up as he goes along and

2302
01:30:58.199 --> 01:31:00.659
telling everyone he has a plan in the opening credits.

2303
01:31:00.720 --> 01:31:01.680
Stephen Moffat.

2304
01:31:01.739 --> 01:31:03.720
I have failed.

2305
01:31:04.560 --> 01:31:05.640
Self-destruct.

2306
01:31:05.699 --> 01:31:06.239
I mean, really?

2307
01:31:06.239 --> 01:31:10.079
This is the most pizza female prisoner that's...

2308
01:31:10.079 --> 01:31:11.880
Yeah, so hardly matters.

2309
01:31:11.939 --> 01:31:13.739
So he they're very sexist.

2310
01:31:13.800 --> 01:31:14.699
This is a big crap.

2311
01:31:14.760 --> 01:31:15.779
Thanks, Terry.

2312
01:31:15.840 --> 01:31:19.500
Yeah, this is the most pathetic Dalek death since Frankenstein

2313
01:31:19.500 --> 01:31:20.520
split water part.

2314
01:31:20.579 --> 01:31:22.020
Sorry, Frank, sorry.

2315
01:31:22.079 --> 01:31:25.439
I think Bob Holmes hated this, hated the Dalek so much. just went

2316
01:31:25.439 --> 01:31:27.539
I'm just going to leave this in because it's got Terry's name on

2317
01:31:27.539 --> 01:31:27.659
it.

2318
01:31:27.720 --> 01:31:28.560
I'm going to save that.

2319
01:31:28.619 --> 01:31:31.439
Oh, no, this is where my copy cut out.

2320
01:31:31.800 --> 01:31:36.060
Because that line doctor, I think you should come now, is etched

2321
01:31:36.060 --> 01:31:36.539
on my memory.

2322
01:31:39.600 --> 01:31:43.260
I actually think that the fringing, the CSA fringing on those

2323
01:31:43.260 --> 01:31:44.760
antibody things actually works.

2324
01:31:44.819 --> 01:31:45.779
It does.

2325
01:31:45.779 --> 01:31:48.239
It makes them seem like they're not sort of fully there.

2326
01:31:48.300 --> 01:31:49.500
Which that exist.

2327
01:31:49.560 --> 01:31:53.220
But now, no, they just look terribly cheap.

2328
01:31:53.279 --> 01:31:57.960
Oh, and maybe this is where John, it's enough is enough.

2329
01:31:58.079 --> 01:32:00.300
Do we think that's Terry Walsh?

2330
01:32:00.420 --> 01:32:01.979
Not at the moment.

2331
01:32:02.039 --> 01:32:03.539
No, no, no, not John.

2332
01:32:03.600 --> 01:32:05.579
Like one of the antibodies is probably terrible.

2333
01:32:05.640 --> 01:32:06.180
Oh, okay.

2334
01:32:06.239 --> 01:32:07.079
Yes, they are.

2335
01:32:07.140 --> 01:32:08.819
Terry Walsh and Stephen Ismay.

2336
01:32:08.939 --> 01:32:09.779
There you go.

2337
01:32:09.779 --> 01:32:11.340
Stephen Ismay played an excellon as well.

2338
01:32:11.399 --> 01:32:14.340
And now...

2339
01:32:14.340 --> 01:32:17.520
Funnily enough, they weren't credited on screen for these roles

2340
01:32:17.520 --> 01:32:18.960
but they were credited in the radio times.

2341
01:32:19.020 --> 01:32:20.579
And they got a BAFTA age.

2342
01:32:20.579 --> 01:32:22.319
Interesting, subtle differences.

2343
01:32:22.319 --> 01:32:22.680
Oh, really?

2344
01:32:23.460 --> 01:32:24.239
They did, yeah, yeah.

2345
01:32:24.300 --> 01:32:27.060
Not a hot meal at the BBC canteen.

2346
01:32:27.600 --> 01:32:29.699
Assessed, assessed.

2347
01:32:31.199 --> 01:32:34.260
They're such racists, aren't they, honestly?

2348
01:32:34.500 --> 01:32:42.119
Stephen Ismay played loads of, um, loads of monsters and guards in

2349
01:32:42.119 --> 01:32:45.420
the Pertwee era and also a few in the Tom era.

2350
01:32:45.479 --> 01:32:52.260
He was going to be either a Krag or a denizen of Shada as well.

2351
01:32:52.739 --> 01:32:58.739
And his last appearance was as a security guard in time flight.

2352
01:32:59.279 --> 01:33:03.779
Wow, we should go back and redo those episodes and keep an eye out

2353
01:33:03.779 --> 01:33:04.079
for him.

2354
01:33:04.140 --> 01:33:07.500
Yeah, well, you see, it's because he also appears in a Matt Smith

2355
01:33:07.500 --> 01:33:10.260
story and throws himself into the doctor's timeline in order to

2356
01:33:10.260 --> 01:33:11.819
appear at various points in history.

2357
01:33:12.119 --> 01:33:14.760
That's such a great story.

2358
01:33:15.779 --> 01:33:18.300
I didn't know Clara was in this story.

2359
01:33:18.359 --> 01:33:19.619
He's the impossible guy.

2360
01:33:19.680 --> 01:33:20.699
Actually, she probably is.

2361
01:33:21.960 --> 01:33:24.479
Where is the hand of Mofford?

2362
01:33:25.439 --> 01:33:28.079
Oh, the Dalek just got hit.

2363
01:33:28.140 --> 01:33:29.340
There's Clara.

2364
01:33:30.000 --> 01:33:32.340
During her bulimic phase.

2365
01:33:32.399 --> 01:33:33.539
It was unfortunate.

2366
01:33:33.539 --> 01:33:35.760
So it was her birthday just very recently.

2367
01:33:35.819 --> 01:33:36.359
Really?

2368
01:33:36.359 --> 01:33:39.420
Clara, RTD and I share a birthday.

2369
01:33:39.479 --> 01:33:40.500
Oh, really?

2370
01:33:40.560 --> 01:33:42.720
The actor, the actress, otherwise known as...

2371
01:33:42.720 --> 01:33:44.579
She's 32, isn't she?

2372
01:33:44.640 --> 01:33:45.539
She was born in 1980.

2373
01:33:45.840 --> 01:33:46.560
My goodness.

2374
01:33:46.619 --> 01:33:49.199
She's younger than you, Brendan.

2375
01:33:49.260 --> 01:33:50.100
Yes.

2376
01:33:50.100 --> 01:33:52.619
And she's already been Queen Victoria.

2377
01:33:53.279 --> 01:33:56.460
Well, you've had G, she's age badly.

2378
01:33:56.520 --> 01:33:59.819
Presents more laid, pathetic medal.

2379
01:34:00.659 --> 01:34:02.460
Where is Jill?

2380
01:34:02.520 --> 01:34:05.640
He needs a good night's sleep, doesn't he, Julian?

2381
01:34:05.699 --> 01:34:06.899
The bags under his eyes.

2382
01:34:07.020 --> 01:34:08.220
They're huge.

2383
01:34:08.279 --> 01:34:11.399
I know you wouldn't get onto economy with those, would you?

2384
01:34:11.399 --> 01:34:12.779
And that belt is very high.

2385
01:34:12.840 --> 01:34:16.680
The belt is very high and he's got a he's got a knee holster.

2386
01:34:16.739 --> 01:34:19.979
Well, he's got dodgy knees from all that.

2387
01:34:20.039 --> 01:34:20.939
Scrubbing.

2388
01:34:21.600 --> 01:34:23.760
Oh, dear, but loud.

2389
01:34:23.819 --> 01:34:25.380
No, the sets and the costumes are gorgeous.

2390
01:34:25.439 --> 01:34:28.020
Oh, that's a great publicity shot there.

2391
01:34:28.079 --> 01:34:29.039
Yes, that's it.

2392
01:34:29.159 --> 01:34:30.300
That was in lots of our.

2393
01:34:30.420 --> 01:34:33.420
That was in the newspaper at the time to advertise it was on.

2394
01:34:33.539 --> 01:34:36.539
Arnold Yarrow was trying, his agent was trying to get him more

2395
01:34:36.539 --> 01:34:37.619
work with that shot, saying?

2396
01:34:37.619 --> 01:34:39.960
In that outfit?

2397
01:34:40.020 --> 01:34:41.640
Watch this.

2398
01:34:41.640 --> 01:34:44.460
He was the same...

2399
01:34:44.520 --> 01:34:44.939
I love it.

2400
01:34:45.000 --> 01:34:45.479
I love it.

2401
01:34:46.079 --> 01:34:47.760
She's just so good.

2402
01:34:47.880 --> 01:34:50.819
What's it like hugging a human rock though, I don't think.

2403
01:34:50.880 --> 01:34:54.420
Pet rocks were a big trend in the early 70s, yeah.

2404
01:34:55.439 --> 01:34:59.579
But in the background, like he's explaining things to Sarah

2405
01:34:59.640 --> 01:35:00.000
lovely.

2406
01:35:00.060 --> 01:35:02.819
Spits of you while I point because that's doctor acting.

2407
01:35:02.880 --> 01:35:05.460
I mean, yeah, he's taking he's taken Jill's hand.

2408
01:35:05.579 --> 01:35:09.239
So John and Joy must have got on because there's nothing really in

2409
01:35:09.239 --> 01:35:13.079
the script between the 2 characters and I'm trying I'm trying to

2410
01:35:13.079 --> 01:35:18.899
think of a, a female guest star that the doctor, that the 3rd

2411
01:35:18.899 --> 01:35:20.880
doctor acted sort of paternally towards.

2412
01:35:20.939 --> 01:35:22.260
And I'm really struggling.

2413
01:35:22.319 --> 01:35:26.579
That one, the ambassador at the end of, um, the curse of peloton?

2414
01:35:26.939 --> 01:35:28.920
That's quite good.

2415
01:35:28.979 --> 01:35:29.760
It's quite good.

2416
01:35:30.420 --> 01:35:34.260
Do you mean do you mean he acted patriarchally towards her in that

2417
01:35:34.260 --> 01:35:36.119
he stole her job for 4 episodes?

2418
01:35:36.779 --> 01:35:39.659
Oh, it's so exciting.

2419
01:35:39.720 --> 01:35:41.399
Beacons destroyed.

2420
01:35:41.939 --> 01:35:44.880
It's nice watching these in isolation.

2421
01:35:45.180 --> 01:35:48.239
After seeing them in sequence.

2422
01:35:48.359 --> 01:35:50.699
He's having a moment there, isn't he?

2423
01:35:50.760 --> 01:35:54.420
We're getting a bit of presaging that I hadn't noticed before.

2424
01:35:54.479 --> 01:35:55.619
I think each doctor.

2425
01:35:55.680 --> 01:35:59.100
We'll see what happens this year with Capaldi as we're recording

2426
01:35:59.100 --> 01:36:02.279
this just as I'm waiting for the 3rd Capaldi story to come out.

2427
01:36:02.340 --> 01:36:07.560
But each doctor seems to presage his own demise in a lovely, subtle

2428
01:36:07.560 --> 01:36:07.859
way.

2429
01:36:07.920 --> 01:36:08.699
Billy certainly did.

2430
01:36:08.760 --> 01:36:11.100
Tom definitely in season 18.

2431
01:36:11.220 --> 01:36:14.880
And yes, I'm getting moments of that with John.

2432
01:36:14.939 --> 01:36:15.840
It's quite poignant.

2433
01:36:15.899 --> 01:36:19.619
John was also very annoyed during the making of this story.

2434
01:36:19.739 --> 01:36:21.000
Why is that Why?

2435
01:36:21.000 --> 01:36:25.380
Because the usual studio schedule involved 2 consecutive recording

2436
01:36:25.380 --> 01:36:27.000
days once a fortnight.

2437
01:36:27.060 --> 01:36:27.359
Yes.

2438
01:36:27.359 --> 01:36:29.579
And comet.

2439
01:36:29.640 --> 01:36:32.039
So each day would essentially do one episode.

2440
01:36:32.039 --> 01:36:35.579
In order to save wear and tear on the set, Michael Bryant decided

2441
01:36:35.579 --> 01:36:39.119
to shoot, as you would with a feature film, everything on one set

2442
01:36:39.119 --> 01:36:40.979
and then moved to the next set.

2443
01:36:40.979 --> 01:36:43.920
And that really annoyed John because of course, you know, he'd

2444
01:36:43.920 --> 01:36:46.859
been working with the previous method for 4 years.

2445
01:36:48.359 --> 01:36:50.579
But economic.

2446
01:36:50.579 --> 01:36:52.680
It's economic and it saves the set.

2447
01:36:53.220 --> 01:36:55.560
John was just incredibly lazy.

2448
01:36:55.619 --> 01:36:57.600
It's also the filmic way of acting.

2449
01:36:57.659 --> 01:36:58.079
Exactly.

2450
01:36:58.140 --> 01:36:59.640
It's a professional way of doing it.

2451
01:36:59.760 --> 01:37:02.699
Very magnanimous of the daleks, not to blast them.

2452
01:37:02.760 --> 01:37:04.140
Just shoot them, for God's sake.

2453
01:37:04.199 --> 01:37:05.880
I think they like to leave them.

2454
01:37:05.939 --> 01:37:07.560
Now their saucepan or whatever it is.

2455
01:37:07.619 --> 01:37:10.020
That's why they should have been Batman villains as well, because

2456
01:37:10.020 --> 01:37:13.979
they quite like leaving them, that lovely thought of the base of

2457
01:37:13.979 --> 01:37:16.319
the spine thought of leaving them racked in pain as they bugger

2458
01:37:16.319 --> 01:37:16.500
off.

2459
01:37:16.619 --> 01:37:19.140
Yeah, we'll strap you to this death machine and then go away.

2460
01:37:19.199 --> 01:37:21.300
Yeah.com. yes.

2461
01:37:22.319 --> 01:37:24.600
They don't have perennials.

2462
01:37:24.720 --> 01:37:26.760
Yes, and I like how John doesn't know it either.

2463
01:37:26.819 --> 01:37:29.520
They've saved the day, but John doesn't actually realise that.

2464
01:37:29.579 --> 01:37:30.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2465
01:37:34.020 --> 01:37:36.479
I should never trusted Galloway.

2466
01:37:36.539 --> 01:37:37.319
He was clearly working class.

2467
01:37:37.739 --> 01:37:40.680
They really are terror hawks uniforms.

2468
01:37:40.739 --> 01:37:42.840
Oh, love and love it.

2469
01:37:42.840 --> 01:37:44.819
Millennial pink knob.

2470
01:37:44.880 --> 01:37:46.020
Well, you know what?

2471
01:37:46.079 --> 01:37:48.060
If it's only going to be on screen for 30 seconds.

2472
01:37:48.180 --> 01:37:49.739
Just make it basic and functional.

2473
01:37:49.800 --> 01:37:52.619
She sat there and thought, how do daleks twiddle knobs with

2474
01:37:52.619 --> 01:37:53.039
those?

2475
01:37:53.039 --> 01:37:54.359
Oh, and...

2476
01:37:54.420 --> 01:37:56.460
And how did they make those little darlet water?

2477
01:37:56.520 --> 01:37:58.859
What favourite sound is happening at the moment?

2478
01:37:58.920 --> 01:37:59.520
here we go.

2479
01:37:59.579 --> 01:38:01.380
Come on Galloway.

2480
01:38:01.439 --> 01:38:05.220
You can do it Why can't you just set the timer on the fricker?

2481
01:38:05.279 --> 01:38:06.420
Oh, they could have found it.

2482
01:38:06.479 --> 01:38:08.699
Oh, what, and not him?

2483
01:38:08.760 --> 01:38:11.699
And actually, that's a Michael Bryant thing where you cut to the

2484
01:38:11.699 --> 01:38:15.659
explosion. then you have just a quick cut to someone who's being

2485
01:38:15.659 --> 01:38:17.460
exploded and then cut away again.

2486
01:38:17.520 --> 01:38:20.699
It's yours, my dear.

2487
01:38:21.539 --> 01:38:23.699
Go to acting 101.

2488
01:38:23.819 --> 01:38:26.340
Get your piranium where it is.

2489
01:38:26.340 --> 01:38:27.779
Get at your piranium, my dear.

2490
01:38:27.840 --> 01:38:28.619
Great.

2491
01:38:30.840 --> 01:38:32.579
The sound of this.

2492
01:38:33.539 --> 01:38:35.880
Those close-ups are great too.

2493
01:38:36.539 --> 01:38:37.739
Ooh.

2494
01:38:37.800 --> 01:38:40.319
Oh, it's like going to Janolan Caves.

2495
01:38:41.520 --> 01:38:44.699
Oh, that's really good. beautiful, isn't it?

2496
01:38:44.819 --> 01:38:47.939
And yeah, it's just the old trick of polystyrene sprayed with

2497
01:38:47.939 --> 01:38:48.720
alcohol.

2498
01:38:48.779 --> 01:38:49.739
Acetone. acetone.

2499
01:38:49.800 --> 01:38:51.600
Your mom's nail polish remover.

2500
01:38:51.659 --> 01:38:55.920
Gee, it didn't really store much energy to save itself, did it?

2501
01:38:55.979 --> 01:38:57.899
No, actually, good point.

2502
01:38:57.960 --> 01:39:00.359
Oh, Sarah makes it work.

2503
01:39:00.420 --> 01:39:02.640
It's also nice to have it not explode.

2504
01:39:02.699 --> 01:39:04.800
I think that's kind of Yeah, that is nice.

2505
01:39:05.159 --> 01:39:05.579
That is nice.

2506
01:39:05.699 --> 01:39:07.020
She's here.

2507
01:39:07.920 --> 01:39:09.960
Oh, here we go.

2508
01:39:10.020 --> 01:39:11.460
Freeze frame.

2509
01:39:11.460 --> 01:39:13.979
Comedy ending.

2510
01:39:14.039 --> 01:39:16.020
Does it end on John's face?

2511
01:39:16.079 --> 01:39:16.260
Yes.

2512
01:39:16.319 --> 01:39:20.579
The thing is, it's a joke ending, but joke endings work when

2513
01:39:20.579 --> 01:39:23.579
they're not just filled with fake laughter afterwards.

2514
01:39:23.640 --> 01:39:26.880
I'm finding that was Space 1999. season two.

2515
01:39:26.939 --> 01:39:28.260
That's that's Freddie free.

2516
01:39:28.319 --> 01:39:30.840
You know, I really think that the new showrunner of Doctor Who

2517
01:39:30.840 --> 01:39:34.800
should try and show us the other 699 Wonders of Universe.

2518
01:39:34.920 --> 01:39:35.760
I don't think he wants.

2519
01:39:37.500 --> 01:39:41.579
Fights arranged. written by he gets another credit.

2520
01:39:42.000 --> 01:39:45.659
Interesting, because when this goes out, we might actually know

2521
01:39:45.720 --> 01:39:47.460
more about the new seat.

2522
01:39:47.520 --> 01:39:48.840
Oh, yeah.

2523
01:39:48.840 --> 01:39:51.060
Oh, that's been cast.

2524
01:39:51.119 --> 01:39:52.140
Jennifer Saunders.

2525
01:39:52.680 --> 01:39:55.439
Well, I hope you've enjoyed that, listen.

2526
01:39:56.520 --> 01:39:58.859
I love Colin Green's work.

2527
01:39:58.920 --> 01:40:01.079
You have something to tell us, I think.

2528
01:40:01.079 --> 01:40:05.939
I do, because as the dear listeners will know, starting with the

2529
01:40:05.939 --> 01:40:10.680
um, Starting with our Mind Warp podcast, of course, we asked you

2530
01:40:10.680 --> 01:40:16.020
to vote on our Tom Baker commentary, and we can now announce the

2531
01:40:16.020 --> 01:40:16.920
results for that.

2532
01:40:16.979 --> 01:40:22.199
So, um, of course, I nominated the Sunmakers, Nathan nominated the

2533
01:40:22.199 --> 01:40:26.520
Horns of Naimon, uh, Richard nominated the Stones of Blood.

2534
01:40:26.819 --> 01:40:30.840
And Todd nominated the Hand of Fear.

2535
01:40:30.899 --> 01:40:35.279
And the winner is The Stones of Blood.

2536
01:40:35.340 --> 01:40:37.800
Oh, Professor Quitemus will be pleased.

2537
01:40:37.859 --> 01:40:41.939
We'll be putting that out after our 1st season of Sylvester McCoy

2538
01:40:41.939 --> 01:40:45.779
and we'll be back next week with Time and the Rani.

2539
01:40:45.840 --> 01:40:46.859
So do come back for that.

2540
01:40:46.920 --> 01:40:48.239
You can find us online.

2541
01:40:48.359 --> 01:40:50.220
Enjoy that listener.

2542
01:40:50.279 --> 01:40:52.199
I had door time in the rain.

2543
01:40:52.260 --> 01:40:55.199
You can find us online at flightthroughentirety.sexy, flight

2544
01:40:55.199 --> 01:40:59.579
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2545
01:40:59.579 --> 01:41:04.619
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2546
01:41:04.619 --> 01:41:06.539
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You can find that on Bondfinger.com, Bondfinger on Apple Podcasts

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and Facebook and Bondfingercast on Twitter.

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Until next time, may you not get sand in your peranium.

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So good, I used it twice.

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Thank you very much for listening good night.

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Good night.

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See you soon.

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Good night.