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Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety

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the only Doctor Who commentary podcast whose knives are sterilised

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before sacrifices.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Nathan I'm Todd.

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I'm James.

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James, I thought I told you that you were allowed to be on the

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podcast.

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Richard cannot join us today.

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He has family commitment.

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So he has nominated James in his stead.

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So James finally gets to be on an episode of Flight through

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Entirety, where he's not playing the master.

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Oh, are you not playing the master?

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And that's the only reason I was prepared to let you in the room.

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No, I am actually going to play the master.

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Okay, great.

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Fans of the podcast may have also noted this week that Big Finish

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have announced the Time Incorporated Masterbox set, which will

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feature James in adventures based in and around the Matrix after

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Time Incorporated.

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So today we are watching The Stones of Blood, which was nominated

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by Richard and Todd as a story.

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Um, So yes, your code word, uh, we're currently sitting on the DVD

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menu of um, the key to time, box set edition of The Stones of

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Blood, your code word will be Diploss.

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So, uh, the next time.

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Sorry.

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The next time you hear me say that word, I would like you to press

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play.

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Are you ready, dear listener?

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Diplos.

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And we're off.

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Well this is exciting.

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I love Mary Tan.

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I love this.

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No, you don't, tonsure. you don't.

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You never stop bad mouthing Mary Tam when you're off mic.

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Well, yeah, no, because I met her once.

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Did we all meet, sir?

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I certainly know.

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I wasn't at who mentioned too.

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She was lovely. was far too young. lovely.

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It is kind of heartbreaking.

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Let's get it out of the way.

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It is heartbreaking that she's no longer with us.

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She really was spectacular.

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And I think we spent a lot of time praising her ironic detachment

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and her bravery and having a little sabbatical from acting about

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you.

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I love that that crossfade between the Tartars and that.

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And the segments, yeah.

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And this very expensive set that we have here.

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I loved this set as a kid.

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Like it, it, it, just, it, It got across to me the idea that they

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can just press a few buttons in the console room and this room can

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be anything.

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I'll just love her. is the 1st time, isn't it?

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It's the 1st time that the companion has been just vastly more

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competent than the doctor.

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And I think Tom works that way.

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The same way that Colin does when he's being silly and incompetent

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as well, when he gets something wrong.

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Tom works terrifically well, having both Romanas with him, just

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because he gets to be the sort of silly anti-establishment one.

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He doesn't, you know, he's ostensibly in charge, but he gets

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someone to kind of rebel against as well, and that suits him

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perfectly, I think.

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Um, Yeah, now this is our 1st and only story this season set on

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earth.

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Yes.

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I love that shot.

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It's got footage.

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We still managed to get space corridors.

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That's true.

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And I think, yeah, this would be the 1st story set on Earth since

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Image of the Fendal.

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Okay, so we've had 6 consecutive non-earth stories.

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Oh, it's good to come back too.

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It does feel very image of the Fendal, doesn't it?

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Better than that.

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Oh, well, yes.

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Yeah, well, I think I think we discussed at the time on the

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podcast that, you know, there's 2 stories where Graham Williams

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does the Hinchcliffe thing of menace in the home counties.

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Or three.

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I mean, I, you know, does there's horror fang rock counts?

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I mean, everyone.

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That's true, I suppose, but that is semi-historical as well.

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Whereas Imogen, this are, um, present day, but I suppose, you know

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um, Pyramids of Mars was the historical.

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People are, people always claim horror of fang rock for Philip

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Hinchcliffe on the grounds that they can't believe that Graham

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Williams would produce a good story.

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I mean, I really disagree with that.

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I think that's terrible.

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And I think both image of the Fendal, which is not totally

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successful, and this story, do Hinchcliffe things more

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interestingly than weekly. and with less sort of dark sort of

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attitudes and menacing of the companion in a horrific way.

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And they have ladies in them as well.

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Yes, more than one lady.

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More than one lady.

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Here's one lady.

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Martha.

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Martha.

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At least one guest lady.

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Not two.

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This one has three, doesn't it?

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Yeah, so it's got Martha and later we'll have, of course, Professor

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Romilio Rumford and her nipples.

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And her sausage sandwich.

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And amphibian Fay.

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Now, when I was a kid, this is the scene my VHS copy cut in on

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exactly this shot of the door.

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So you thought that's where the toy started?

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Well, yeah, it meant until literally until I bought the American

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DVD set because I'll get into the DVD release in a moment.

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Literally when I bought the American DVD said in 2003, that was

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the 1st time I saw those opening scenes. love her outfit.

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I do too. and her shoes.

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I love those shoes.

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It's actually really, it's actually really quite timeless.

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And like, you know, it doesn't look that sort of 70s.

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I mean, the...

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They heard disco stew.

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I forgot about that.

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I want that hat.

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It's very Burberry, isn't it?

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Oh, it is a burberry hat, isn't it?

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Where?

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The Black Garden or something?

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Yeah, I think here, because does she know about the Black Guardian

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at this point?

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No, no, this is where she finds out because she thinks she was

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sent by the president.

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And this is literally the scene where the doctor's explaining that

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it wasn't the president, who was the white guardian who sent you.

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And I think it is about time that we reestablished the premise of

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the season as well.

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Yeah, well, this is mid-season now, so it's a good time to remind

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us.

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And also of note, this is the 100th Doctor Who story.

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They were going to take a cake out of that fridge.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I wish the doctor...

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There's that cut scene, isn't there?

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from the BBC VG tapes?

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Well, I don't think they ever shot it.

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Oh, they did.

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Okay, because I get, um, the story Daryl Blake tells is they

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ordered the cake, um, and then didn't get, didn't get to shoot the

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scene, so everyone just had cake.

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Hooray.

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But perhaps it was short.

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In a prescient march to flight through entirety.

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Yeah, that's right.

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We're having crisps today in olives rather than cake.

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And I bought, I bought a cake.

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Oh, we did have carrot cake.

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Yes, sorry.

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It was ogre themed carrot cake, actually, for those of you at

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home.

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Turn to ashes in your mouth.

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And last week when we talked about Dragonfire, of course, Richard

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made us a lovely lemon poppy seed and gin cake.

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Oh, that was so terrific.

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Such gin.

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So, so cream.

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It was a good cake print. 13 out of 10.

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Would eat again.

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And of course, you know, the benefit of having this limbo set is

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you know, you just focus on these 2 completely.

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Ah, Kane.

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See, I bought it.

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I bought it as this is a Noll space.

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Yeah, as a kid.

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Like I didn't go, oh, they went out of money.

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Like they've just hung some black drapes in a studio.

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No, it's very well done.

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It's very well done.

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And yeah, and then we've got this shot of them framed in the door

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which... doesn't look like it's in 4 by 3.

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No, it looks like it's someone shooting portrait on their iPhone.

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Damn it. those people.

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Can you not do that?

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Have you people never seen a television screen or a cinema

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screen?

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Stop shooting video in portrait, please.

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Okay, I work in reality TV.

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And so we have contestants auditioning. for shooting their own

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stuff.

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They're given several pages worth of literature saying don't shoot

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in portrait, at least one in 10.

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I don't think they understand what a portrait is.

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Oh, another bit of comedy. love this.

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Yes.

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Back when Doctor Who was fun.

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Yeah.

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I loved that.

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See, if the doctor had kept like a secret like that from the

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companion, you know, the whole, it wasn't the president was white

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garden thing, but like, what is it, 12 episodes now or 8

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episodes?

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12 episodes?

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Um, That would have been a huge thing, you know, it would have

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been a betrayal of trust in the new series.

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Love the way he throws that umbrella away.

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Little bug.

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Actually, no, you're right, James.

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It is 8 episodes because this is the 3rd story.

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Oh, and were they all 4 parties?

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Until until...

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Except for Armadillo, what?

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So, yeah.

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The armadillo faction.

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Yes.

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Oh, the K1 robots been through here.

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Can I just say that, you know, how fabulous is someone that can

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just put the heel of their shoe into a ditch like this and work

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out the massive of a creature or whatever?

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Do you think it's a reference?

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Do you remember the dandelion in robot where the doctor works

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out?

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How much?

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Because of how crushed the dandelion is.

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So she's like a version of the doctor who's just vastly more

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glamorous.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And you know, she's got her her tracer slash sonic screwdriver.

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Yeah.

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I love these these long shots of the circle and coming to it.

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I think by this time they had stopped running a wire up Mary Tam's

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leg and down her arm to light up the tracer.

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Because you're not gonna see the light on location.

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Um, because that's what she said about Ribos operation.

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You know, there was this little man running around after her and

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taping things onto her neck and, you know, uninsulated wires so

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they were getting hot.

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Why didn't they have batteries, for God's sake, in 1970.

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And also uninsulated what?

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tried to kill her.

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Well, sorry, you know, insulated from electricity, but not

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insulated from heat.

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Just like mentioning a bear copper Wyatt running down her arm.

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Spark, Spark.

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Now, the director Daryl Blake, of course, takes the, it takes the

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very wise decision here to, um, uh, fill, to shoot everything on

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video.

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So the exteriors are done on video, the internals, the studios are

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done on video as well because he hated the typical look of film

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outside and video inside and you get a visually jarring contrast

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switching between the two, which is tradition for Doctor Who.

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And in fact, in this season, in Androids of Tara, that's what they

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do.

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Yeah, yeah, you get the film.

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Here she is.

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Until, until, um, Season 23, when it became traditional to use

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video everywhere, it was just this robot... and... experiment

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where everything was done on video.

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I think I think it actually lends quite a sort of Ethereal

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otherworldly quality to the image, because the way the video picks

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up the brightness of the sky.

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I think it looks cheaper, and I think it looks more like

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children's television, and I think it's a shame.

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I don't like the jarring thing as well because it makes it really

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obvious when we're in the studio and when we aren't.

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And here, because you've got nighttime scenes in the circle that

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are shot in the studio, I think, you know, I have to say, those

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are pretty convincing, those nighttime scenes.

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And only because the daytime scenes are on videotape.

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If they weren't, you would see that, that jarring thing.

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And I always, this stuff here, I always think, looks like, um, it's

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soft focus on purpose for all the cast.

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I don't know why.

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I always thought that as a kid.

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Well, I think it's, I think it's what James said.

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I think it's to give it an ethereal quality and it looks to me

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like a filter or lens on the camera because the colours are

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bleeding.

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Oh my god.

283
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Oh, that's amazing look from Tom.

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God, he looks older than in leisure hive.

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She's so funny delivering this.

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Like just the way that she does it.

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It's like she's reaching into her memory to struggle to remember

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the line.

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You could actually see it visibly coming to the service.

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Yeah, yeah.

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She's such, such a good actress.

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And she had such an amazingly fun time working on this show.

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You know, famously, she saw John Leeson wander around taking

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photos.

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So gave her, gave him her old Lika camera from 1930 or something

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like that.

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Um, but, A, um, a friend of the podcast, and I cannot remember who

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now, so I do apologise.

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Discovered that a Christopher Isherwood novel is dedicated to

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Beatrix Lehman and her husband.

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Wow.

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I don't know which one.

303
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I can't remember that.

304
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Which husband?

305
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I don't know.

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Beatrix Lim, the 1st openly lesbian at this time.

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She had actually come out at this time, hadn't she?

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Oh, I didn't realise that.

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Maybe it's not her husband.

310
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Well, no, no, no.

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I think she was married earlier on, but by this point it was in a

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relationship with a woman.

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Is she the 1st openly lesbian guest cast member?

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I don't.

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I didn't even know she was.

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We had a number of years where they weren't very many...

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I could be completely wrong, but I always thought she was

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lesbian.

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Um, I don't know.

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Susan Engel is just wonderful here in that pink vision and she's

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just so charming, too suave. you know, you just know there's

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something not quite right straight away, you know, you can't quite

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put your finger on it.

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I think it's fabulous.

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You've got 3 wonderful women characters here with the doctor and

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you just don't see that.

327
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No.

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It's it's so refreshing.

329
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It is one of my favourite classic series stories probably because

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of the strength of female guest cast.

331
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I just love Ramana with her shoes.

332
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So, so Nathan, you're going to the UK next, aren't you?

333
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Yes.

334
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You should go to the national portrait gallery because there are

335
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12 portraits of Beatrix Lehman in the national portrait gallery.

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But they probably went to, you take photos of them.

337
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Not even selfies with them. wouldn't that be great?

338
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Hanging with Professor Rumford.

339
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I would like a hat like that.

340
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Typical man.

341
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Let's come back to my house with some sausage sandwiches.

342
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And a little bit something more.

343
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But she's still a bit less lazy than Juno Watt to face from canine

344
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and company.

345
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Oh, yes, yes, yes.

346
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Yeah, the poor man's Susan Engel.

347
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Correct.

348
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Yeah, there is something terribly light and fun about this, isn't

349
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there?

350
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Does any, you know, any story with Tommy gomping around the

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countryside.

352
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And, you know, there's very few people you can describe as yomping

353
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but I think Tom Baker is definitely one of them.

354
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Um, Here we are.

355
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In Christopher Ashwood's diaries, Issuwood describes meeting Mick

356
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Jagger, the Australian outback, where he was filming Ned Kelly.

357
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Mick Jagger, very pale, quiet, good tempered, full of fun, ugly

358
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beautiful, a bit like Beatrix Lehman.

359
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I think Beatrix Leyman is more beautiful, ugly, isn't she?

360
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Well, I actually think that probably Mick Jagger would be

361
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indistinguishable from Beatrix Lehman, like in a police lineup by

362
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this stage.

363
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Despite the fact he's a lot younger.

364
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Probably not by now.

365
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No, no, no, no.

366
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I meant back then.

367
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Okay.

368
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Yeah, so here we are in the studio.

369
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Is he about to put out this rather poorly?

370
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Like, you know, when he's put the lid on it, sort of...

371
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Yeah, it's almost like he's an actor who doesn't want to burn his

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hand off.

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Caliak.

374
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Caliak.

375
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Don't you know?

376
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And that's about as much as we can get away with without being

377
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sued by apples.

378
00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:41.159
Oh, sorry.

379
00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:46.080
So these 2 are terrible, aren't they?

380
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Oh, I think he's a bit over the top, but I really like her.

381
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No, I'm not going to leave you.

382
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Sorry, I'm sure that one of the worst decisions made by a

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supporting character in the history of the show.

384
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It's like, no, really you can.

385
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I really like this shot.

386
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Look at that, isn't that spectacular?

387
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That gate just looks terrific.

388
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The, um, that reminds me, like, I always, I always thought this

389
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scene was in, um, image of Fendal.

390
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I always matched the 2 of them together.

391
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Is there another scene in image of the pendal with him walking

392
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down the street?

393
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Like past a wall.

394
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Yes, yes, when he's on his way to the priory.

395
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Is this the same place as Seeds of Doom?

396
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Like, like, that just reminds me of them going inside.

397
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I'm being reminded of it as well.

398
00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:36.539
Like all of them have the big old Gothic house.

399
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It's a kind of, it's a sort of Avengers style thing.

400
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It's a true?

401
00:17:40.380 --> 00:17:40.920
Yeah, yeah.

402
00:17:40.980 --> 00:17:46.619
It is definitely an Avengers trope, like possibly the easiest to

403
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find example of it is one of the very early colour episodes from

404
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Venus with Love, which features John Pertwee as an old, as an old

405
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army man, and he's recording his memoirs, and he's surrounded by

406
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these record players to play the sound effects, but he's in a big

407
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country house.

408
00:18:03.539 --> 00:18:04.500
Right, yeah.

409
00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:07.200
That's not the only one that pert is in.

410
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Is he in the hidden tiger or did I dream that?

411
00:18:09.359 --> 00:18:12.299
No, no, he's not in the hidden tiger.

412
00:18:12.359 --> 00:18:13.799
Ronny Barker's in the Hidden Tiger.

413
00:18:13.859 --> 00:18:14.039
Really?

414
00:18:14.099 --> 00:18:14.519
Yeah.

415
00:18:14.579 --> 00:18:16.619
But no, Pertwi's only in one.

416
00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:17.220
Okay.

417
00:18:17.220 --> 00:18:20.880
And, um, he is the only doctor who appears in an Avengers

418
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episode.

419
00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:22.500
Doesn't dr never appear?

420
00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:23.039
No.

421
00:18:23.099 --> 00:18:25.680
Um, Anika Wills?

422
00:18:25.740 --> 00:18:27.000
is into Avengers episodes?

423
00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:33.359
Um, But I think that's also it for Doctor Who companions.

424
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It's an interesting shot, this one, because when I watch it and

425
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when I watch as a kid, Your eye is drawn to those 3 missing

426
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portraits, which of course will come into play later.

427
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It's actually quite good, isn't it?

428
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I quite like the window as well.

429
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It's very rare to have windows in shot and they don't look

430
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terrible.

431
00:18:56.700 --> 00:19:01.140
Now, I'm going to ask James directly because I have a feeling

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Nathan and Todd, you may not remember it.

433
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James, do you remember the ghosts of Motley Hall?

434
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Yes.

435
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Very vaguely.

436
00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:12.299
Very vaguely.

437
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That's the thing.

438
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As a kid, these Doctor Who stories in old houses reminded me of

439
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that.

440
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It was this old house haunted by all these ghosts.

441
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It was kind of like a British version of Casper because they were

442
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friendly ghosts and they, um, I think the family who lived there

443
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were trying to sell the house and the kid didn't want to move, so

444
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the ghosts helped the kid.

445
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Was it Cosgrove Hall series?

446
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I think it was, but live action.

447
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Yeah, yeah.

448
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Yeah.

449
00:19:34.500 --> 00:19:38.039
Like it kind of reminds me of things like Billy Webb.

450
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Do you remember Billy Webb?

451
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Terrible, terrible kids TV show from the late 80s, early 90s.

452
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That a child with a watch that could turn back time.

453
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Oh, right.

454
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Bit like Hermione.

455
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Yes, yes.

456
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I'm surprised they didn't sue Shay K. Rowling.

457
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What, like go back in time using the watch and then sue J.K

458
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Rowling.

459
00:20:02.880 --> 00:20:05.579
Now, I just, no, because it was made before JK.

460
00:20:05.640 --> 00:20:06.599
I do Potter.

461
00:20:06.660 --> 00:20:10.559
I do like the way Mr. DeFreece just drops in doctor into the

462
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conversation, having actually never been introduced to the

463
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doctor.

464
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Because the raven told him.

465
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Is it a crow?

466
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Raven. same thing.

467
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That's what I...

468
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It used to really get to me as it's like when I watched this as a

469
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kid, like, you know, that's you can't have that, but now I think

470
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it's just a bit of fun.

471
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It's nice.

472
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I think they are crows because Vivian identifies them as crows

473
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shortly, I think.

474
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Um, And just, you know, the way this shot is composed as well, just

475
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then you had, Well, here, you've got a really strong triangle in

476
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the frame of the 3 women and they're in a similar colour palette.

477
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They're all wearing shades of pink.

478
00:20:52.019 --> 00:20:56.819
Um, Professor Rumford under her, under her coat, but it ties them

479
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together and kind of emphasises how strong this story is for women

480
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characters.

481
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Apart from DeFreece's lover.

482
00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:08.880
That's true I suppose, yeah.

483
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But, you know, at the moment, we're meant to believe that

484
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Professor Romford and Vivian Faye are on the doctor and Romana's

485
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side and the other side is DeFries and Marfa.

486
00:21:19.980 --> 00:21:20.400
Yeah.

487
00:21:20.519 --> 00:21:23.460
It is a big fake out, this story, isn't it?

488
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I mean, I guess we'll talk more about it.

489
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As the best Doctor Who stories are, really.

490
00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:27.779
Yeah.

491
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Well, they trained those birds, like the shots that they're

492
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doing?

493
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They went to Rada, darling.

494
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How do you know that Crow went to Rada?

495
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He tells you.

496
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I'm just interested.

497
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Welcome to the podcast.

498
00:21:43.920 --> 00:21:46.619
It just looks like, you know what I mean?

499
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They're on the stones and that sort of thing.

500
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Do they just take advantages of them?

501
00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:50.039
know.

502
00:21:50.099 --> 00:21:53.099
Well, um, crows and ravens are very intelligent birds.

503
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So they're easier to train than, say, pigeons or parrots.

504
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You don't think they stapled them to the stones.

505
00:21:58.559 --> 00:21:59.339
No, I don't think so.

506
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I mean, you know, that being said, parrots are very intelligent as

507
00:22:01.680 --> 00:22:04.859
well, but I think crows are a bit more wilful.

508
00:22:04.920 --> 00:22:08.460
There's been all these studies done where crows will be able to

509
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figure out, for instance, you know, if they're given 3 switches

510
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which each give them a different amount of seed.

511
00:22:13.859 --> 00:22:16.500
It only takes them about 5 minutes to figure out which switch

512
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gives them the most amount of seed.

513
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And just go straight for that.

514
00:22:19.559 --> 00:22:22.859
Yeah, a crow is actually intelligent enough to have script edited

515
00:22:22.859 --> 00:22:24.960
Doctor Who for 5 years. you know that?

516
00:22:25.019 --> 00:22:26.579
At FCE Hoo Fax.

517
00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:31.200
What, between 1981 and 1986?

518
00:22:31.259 --> 00:22:32.579
Oh, okay.

519
00:22:33.660 --> 00:22:35.640
Someone's smoking.

520
00:22:35.700 --> 00:22:36.720
Why is he smoking?

521
00:22:36.839 --> 00:22:38.700
Well, this is evil.

522
00:22:38.759 --> 00:22:41.460
Actually, now we can say it was because he's evil back then it's

523
00:22:41.460 --> 00:22:43.259
just like, eh, no, that's what people did.

524
00:22:43.319 --> 00:22:45.180
It doesn't happen very often in Doctor Who.

525
00:22:45.299 --> 00:22:45.900
No, that's true.

526
00:22:45.900 --> 00:22:49.980
And generally, it's evil or suspicious looking characters that do

527
00:22:49.980 --> 00:22:50.460
it as well.

528
00:22:50.519 --> 00:22:54.420
Although those people in Resurrection of the Daleks are smoking

529
00:22:54.420 --> 00:22:58.200
just because I think, say you would think it's good.

530
00:22:59.940 --> 00:23:03.240
Like sand in uncomfortable places.

531
00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:06.059
The where, the raven, all the crowd.

532
00:23:06.779 --> 00:23:08.940
Oh, that's a nice thing.

533
00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:10.740
So it's a raven or a crow.

534
00:23:10.799 --> 00:23:11.700
It is.

535
00:23:12.599 --> 00:23:18.599
So, um, the exterior location we were talking about earlier is uh

536
00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:22.619
the Reid Business School in um, in uh, Little Compton

537
00:23:22.619 --> 00:23:23.160
Warwickshire.

538
00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:25.680
Was it even then?

539
00:23:25.740 --> 00:23:27.660
Oh, that's what it was then, yes.

540
00:23:27.720 --> 00:23:28.680
And whack.

541
00:23:28.740 --> 00:23:29.400
Here we go.

542
00:23:29.579 --> 00:23:32.819
Probably being converted into a stately home or something now.

543
00:23:33.299 --> 00:23:37.019
I think I think keeping focus on the face is a good thing. blood

544
00:23:37.019 --> 00:23:37.319
is warm.

545
00:23:37.380 --> 00:23:38.039
I know what to do.

546
00:23:38.700 --> 00:23:46.319
You see, here, you see, so, so, the evil, uh, uh, big in phase had

547
00:23:46.319 --> 00:23:51.119
to come back up to the house just for that one. to nip in, be evil

548
00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:54.240
then that changed, go back, prepare some sausage sandwiches.

549
00:23:54.299 --> 00:23:54.900
Yes.

550
00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:57.720
I went I went to outpost-gunner for once and somebody was walking

551
00:23:57.720 --> 00:23:59.400
around in a costume like that.

552
00:23:59.460 --> 00:24:00.720
Like was that good?

553
00:24:00.779 --> 00:24:02.519
Oh, you mean Gallifrey won?

554
00:24:02.579 --> 00:24:04.319
Oh, sorry, app was going.

555
00:24:04.380 --> 00:24:04.859
What am I saying?

556
00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:05.640
Can I pray one, yes?

557
00:24:05.700 --> 00:24:06.420
the same thing.

558
00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:07.319
Sorry.

559
00:24:07.859 --> 00:24:11.640
Oh, a man is going for a stroll.

560
00:24:12.180 --> 00:24:17.579
Now, this is this is the moment, of course, where Tom refused to

561
00:24:17.579 --> 00:24:22.799
appear physically because he didn't want the doctor to be a symbol

562
00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:25.380
of danger for children, which I kind of understand.

563
00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:28.319
And as a child, this, that made, that made the scene all the

564
00:24:28.319 --> 00:24:31.140
freakier because I got that Romana could see something I couldn't

565
00:24:31.140 --> 00:24:31.259
see.

566
00:24:31.380 --> 00:24:32.099
Did you?

567
00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:32.579
I didn't.

568
00:24:32.700 --> 00:24:33.059
No.

569
00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:34.440
I had no idea what was going on.

570
00:24:34.500 --> 00:24:36.779
Yeah, it renders this scene incomprehensible.

571
00:24:36.779 --> 00:24:42.480
And it is almost certainly because just Tom was being a dick. and

572
00:24:42.480 --> 00:24:45.480
refusing to cooperate because he was quite happy to lunge at

573
00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:49.799
Princess Strella's android with a big sword, you know, you know

574
00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:50.400
the following story.

575
00:24:50.460 --> 00:24:51.180
That's true.

576
00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:51.599
That is true.

577
00:24:51.660 --> 00:24:53.940
I read it in the same way as Brendan.

578
00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:55.680
I just didn't get it.

579
00:24:55.740 --> 00:24:59.579
It was only, as I got older, that I worked out, but now Mary

580
00:24:59.579 --> 00:25:02.700
Thames, just seeing the script for timelash.

581
00:25:04.140 --> 00:25:07.319
And that drop was about a metre.

582
00:25:07.380 --> 00:25:10.079
She's not a great screamer.

583
00:25:10.140 --> 00:25:13.740
No, but that's good. we want to. to be a good screamer.

584
00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:16.619
Yeah, see, in 2 stories time in Power of Crawl.

585
00:25:16.680 --> 00:25:20.220
She's going to give a traditional Doctor Who scream of just, I'm

586
00:25:20.220 --> 00:25:21.299
going to hit a musical note.

587
00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:24.779
Whereas that was a guttural, I'm about to die square.

588
00:25:24.839 --> 00:25:26.519
That's a realistic scream.

589
00:25:26.579 --> 00:25:31.019
It's like when the very rare occasions where Nissa screams, you

590
00:25:31.019 --> 00:25:33.960
know, it's a proper from the diaphragm.

591
00:25:34.019 --> 00:25:34.859
I'm actually terrified.

592
00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:35.460
Yeah.

593
00:25:35.460 --> 00:25:38.339
Well, it's a scream in context.

594
00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:40.740
It's not just a scream because I'm a doctor who go and I have to

595
00:25:40.740 --> 00:25:40.980
scream.

596
00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:43.259
It's a scream because she's actually scared.

597
00:25:43.319 --> 00:25:45.059
It's believable.

598
00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:48.720
But I agree with you, Todd, in that the scream and the power of

599
00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:51.779
Kroll that she does at the end of episode one is one of the worst

600
00:25:51.779 --> 00:25:53.099
screams ever in Doctor.

601
00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:54.599
Mary's not a screamer.

602
00:25:54.660 --> 00:25:55.140
She's no.

603
00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:56.640
Well, that's the point of her.

604
00:25:56.700 --> 00:25:57.839
You know, it...

605
00:25:57.839 --> 00:26:02.819
That's the end of the power of crawl.

606
00:26:05.700 --> 00:26:08.759
All right, Luke, how are we watching about, of course?

607
00:26:08.819 --> 00:26:12.539
Little, do you know that that's actually Tom screaming?

608
00:26:13.799 --> 00:26:17.579
See, I still, like, in this day and age, they could have got away

609
00:26:17.579 --> 00:26:21.660
with, like it was done now, Tom could have been, like, sort of see

610
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:23.579
through or some sort of effect to make it seem.

611
00:26:23.640 --> 00:26:26.039
But back then it would he would have physically had to have been

612
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:26.160
there.

613
00:26:26.220 --> 00:26:27.960
So I kind of understand that he didn't want to see the doctor

614
00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:31.740
doing damage to his companion, but, um, you know, I have to give

615
00:26:31.740 --> 00:26:33.119
it to Romana here.

616
00:26:33.180 --> 00:26:36.359
She hangs onto this cliff edge, like, you know, there's no

617
00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:36.779
tomorrow.

618
00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:40.980
If anybody's actually seen, um, the new Wonder Woman movie, it

619
00:26:40.980 --> 00:26:45.359
reminds me of a moment in Wonder Woman, where, but I'll just say

620
00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:45.720
nothing more.

621
00:26:46.500 --> 00:26:47.400
Thank you. not seen it yet.

622
00:26:47.460 --> 00:26:51.359
I'm hoping it's a very good film apart from the last 15 minutes.

623
00:26:51.420 --> 00:26:55.680
I'm hoping to go see it tomorrow, but it's a battle of wills.

624
00:26:55.740 --> 00:26:58.019
I want to see Wonder Woman 1st and Rod wants to see the mummy

625
00:26:58.019 --> 00:26:58.440
first.

626
00:26:58.859 --> 00:27:02.460
Watch the mummy 1st because then you can build to Wonder Woman

627
00:27:02.460 --> 00:27:03.779
because it's actually worth watching.

628
00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:06.900
No, no, I don't like this only just now, Martha.

629
00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:07.859
Like, you know?

630
00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:10.920
No, it was chicken in the 1st episode, you know.

631
00:27:10.980 --> 00:27:13.799
She was expressing reservations earlier, wasn't she?

632
00:27:13.859 --> 00:27:17.099
I think that that's her one character note is that she's actually

633
00:27:17.099 --> 00:27:21.119
like realises this is all really rather silly.

634
00:27:21.180 --> 00:27:21.900
Yeah, yeah.

635
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:24.480
She was just in it for the shiny cloaks and now they're trying to

636
00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:25.619
cut this guy's throat, you know.

637
00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:26.519
Space stewards.

638
00:27:26.579 --> 00:27:27.720
The space drugs.

639
00:27:27.779 --> 00:27:29.640
It is kind of weird.

640
00:27:29.700 --> 00:27:31.980
It's some, you know what?

641
00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:34.619
I think it's the same kind of material they use for front tacks

642
00:27:34.619 --> 00:27:35.279
your projection.

643
00:27:35.339 --> 00:27:37.079
That's what I was thinking You know, when they shine a light into

644
00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:37.319
it.

645
00:27:37.380 --> 00:27:39.180
So goodness knows why they don't.

646
00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:41.759
Oh, the CSA's a great thing.

647
00:27:41.819 --> 00:27:44.759
Yeah, and of course, you know, at the same time, this was on as a

648
00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:48.960
kid, when I was a kid, postcards from the edge was broadcast on

649
00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:49.559
television.

650
00:27:49.619 --> 00:27:53.880
So there's that scene where, um, is it Meryl Streep in postcards

651
00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:56.880
the Edge of Glen, Meryl Street is hanging off the side of a

652
00:27:56.880 --> 00:27:59.700
building, a director calls cut, and she just sort of shrugs and

653
00:27:59.700 --> 00:28:00.420
lifts her.

654
00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:05.279
So I've always found that scene vaguely comical.

655
00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:09.900
That being said, the actual cliffhanger where she falls off is

656
00:28:09.900 --> 00:28:13.019
much like Dragonfire last week, one of the moments I could not

657
00:28:13.019 --> 00:28:14.640
watch as a kid and I had to leave the room.

658
00:28:14.700 --> 00:28:16.140
That's great.

659
00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:18.599
For different reasons from Dragonflower.

660
00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:21.720
So here is a day for night filming?

661
00:28:21.779 --> 00:28:23.099
Well, that's the studio.

662
00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:25.259
Oh, I know that, but the shopping...

663
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:26.039
Yes, stay for night.

664
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:26.819
I really like it.

665
00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:28.079
It's like dusk.

666
00:28:28.140 --> 00:28:29.519
I really like the day for night in this.

667
00:28:29.579 --> 00:28:32.220
And they have that establishing shot of it being dusk.

668
00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:35.039
It's like, you know, it establishes.

669
00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:37.259
It's just after the sun is falling.

670
00:28:37.380 --> 00:28:39.299
What are you doing?

671
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:40.740
Well, I just tied myself to a rock.

672
00:28:40.859 --> 00:28:41.579
Exactly.

673
00:28:41.579 --> 00:28:44.819
Well, that's the thing.

674
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:46.559
She's an academic. all of this.

675
00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:47.759
Yes, that's right.

676
00:28:47.819 --> 00:28:49.799
How did you manage that, doctor?

677
00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:56.220
You know, it, I reckon if Beatrix was still alive.

678
00:28:56.220 --> 00:29:00.059
And of course, she was, what, in her 60s here, I think?

679
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:01.799
Possibly 70s.

680
00:29:01.859 --> 00:29:03.000
I reckon.

681
00:29:03.059 --> 00:29:03.299
Yeah.

682
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:06.000
I reckon if Beatrix was still alive, big finish would have had her

683
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:08.759
back by now to work with Tom.

684
00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:09.779
With her own spinoff series.

685
00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:13.859
Well, even just with Tom, because, I mean, Tom talks on the

686
00:29:13.859 --> 00:29:15.599
commentary that he adored, of course.

687
00:29:15.660 --> 00:29:16.380
Yeah, of course.

688
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:21.059
Yes, grit your teeth, Mary.

689
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:24.420
I think I kind of liking that saying, yes, she's worried she's

690
00:29:24.420 --> 00:29:26.700
hanging on the cyberclip, but also, oh, this is getting terribly

691
00:29:26.700 --> 00:29:30.720
boring. tedious, friend in one that's...

692
00:29:32.339 --> 00:29:34.559
She's rather attractive.

693
00:29:34.619 --> 00:29:35.519
She's lost on the moor.

694
00:29:35.579 --> 00:29:38.759
James has just found a glamour shot of Beryl Reed.

695
00:29:38.819 --> 00:29:40.019
I'm guessing from the 40s.

696
00:29:40.980 --> 00:29:42.180
Lehman.

697
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:46.019
All our fabulous, older women in Doctor...

698
00:29:46.140 --> 00:29:47.339
She looks like Greta Garbo.

699
00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:49.019
Oh, she was fantastic, doesn't she?

700
00:29:49.740 --> 00:29:51.720
Shoes are important people.

701
00:29:51.779 --> 00:29:53.880
So I was just trying to find out what her age was.

702
00:29:53.940 --> 00:29:56.940
She died in in July 1979.

703
00:29:57.420 --> 00:30:00.000
Only the following year. year after this.

704
00:30:00.059 --> 00:30:01.980
Is the last thing?

705
00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:04.920
Yeah, maybe he or she would have been about 75 then.

706
00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:07.500
You're a genius.

707
00:30:08.819 --> 00:30:10.799
So she was 75.

708
00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:16.799
I like I do like the way David Fisher uses K9 in his story. like

709
00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:19.680
you know, it's not, he's not necessarily with them here, but then

710
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:20.640
he's called into action.

711
00:30:20.700 --> 00:30:21.480
Yeah.

712
00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:25.680
Even the way that he, I know this is controversial on the podcast

713
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:29.339
but the way that he writes him out of the leisure hive, I actually

714
00:30:29.339 --> 00:30:29.759
quite like.

715
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:34.200
Well, also, you have to remember with the leisure hype, that was

716
00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:37.619
very heavily rewritten to suit the new production team as well.

717
00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:38.819
Who buy?

718
00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:43.619
By David Fisher, but also by a patron of the podcast, Christopher

719
00:30:43.619 --> 00:30:44.579
Hamilton bit me.

720
00:30:45.420 --> 00:30:48.599
Talented man who should have been script editor for a lot longer.

721
00:30:48.660 --> 00:30:51.359
Well, we were talking to him about...

722
00:30:51.420 --> 00:30:51.839
Yeah, yeah.

723
00:30:51.900 --> 00:30:55.799
He said that we should get a Kickstarter happening and raise

724
00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:58.740
enough money for him to hop into the TARDIS go back in time and do

725
00:30:58.740 --> 00:30:58.920
it.

726
00:30:58.980 --> 00:31:00.720
And I'd like to support that.

727
00:31:00.779 --> 00:31:04.440
So we'll put a link in the show notes to the Kickstarter page.

728
00:31:04.500 --> 00:31:05.880
No, we won't.

729
00:31:05.940 --> 00:31:08.940
I think what also helps with the day for night filming here is

730
00:31:08.940 --> 00:31:12.960
they try not to show the sky because that's the giveaway in day

731
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:13.680
for night filming.

732
00:31:13.740 --> 00:31:14.279
Okay.

733
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:17.940
But yeah, that's what makes it more effective.

734
00:31:18.059 --> 00:31:21.839
And getting back to what you were saying, Todd, about the way

735
00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:23.099
David Fisher uses K9.

736
00:31:23.339 --> 00:31:27.299
I'm laughing because it's always like, let's get on the railway

737
00:31:27.299 --> 00:31:28.200
track.

738
00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:29.700
He's not getting direction.

739
00:31:29.819 --> 00:31:31.740
He's doing a 15 point turn.

740
00:31:31.799 --> 00:31:32.460
Here we go.

741
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:33.000
Here we go.

742
00:31:33.059 --> 00:31:35.579
And onto the duckboards.

743
00:31:36.059 --> 00:31:39.900
We're about to go...

744
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:42.480
It's such a terrible prop.

745
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:49.799
But David Fisher is very conscious to not just to use K9 as a

746
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:50.099
gun.

747
00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:52.619
You know, he tracks Romana here.

748
00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:54.839
He tracks Romana in the androids of Tara.

749
00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:57.299
He's familiar with boats.

750
00:31:57.359 --> 00:31:59.460
He knows nothing about tennis.

751
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:03.900
But he does he does know all about hyperspace and how to explain

752
00:32:03.900 --> 00:32:04.140
it.

753
00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:06.480
I mean, who does understand I Spain?

754
00:32:06.539 --> 00:32:07.619
I do, shut up.

755
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:09.539
I'm not giving you a second chance.

756
00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:10.799
Oh, I love Romana.

757
00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:15.119
There was a rope built into his scarf for the scene.

758
00:32:15.180 --> 00:32:15.720
Oh really?

759
00:32:15.779 --> 00:32:16.859
Yeah, it's behind the scarf.

760
00:32:18.180 --> 00:32:21.839
Because, you know, by this point, the scarf is horribly moth eaten

761
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:25.140
and patched up and what have you, you can pause the DVDs at

762
00:32:25.140 --> 00:32:27.720
certain points and he has little tart.

763
00:32:27.779 --> 00:32:28.799
Oh, bad, bad, bad.

764
00:32:28.859 --> 00:32:29.460
Yeah, shot.

765
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:33.180
Yeah, this is a bad, um, and it's kind of the thing of, and it's

766
00:32:33.180 --> 00:32:36.660
it's still the same tracking down um, archive footage.

767
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:40.980
Um, At this point, it would have been even harder.

768
00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:43.559
He would have just, Daryl Blake would have just sent him for

769
00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:46.920
archive footage of, you know, a twilight skyline.

770
00:32:46.980 --> 00:32:48.720
And if this is what they send back to him.

771
00:32:48.779 --> 00:32:49.740
That's what he got.

772
00:32:49.740 --> 00:32:50.700
That's what he got.

773
00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:55.500
You did not have time to then do it, which is why he frames the

774
00:32:55.500 --> 00:32:59.880
setting sun behind the actors heads as much as possible to try and

775
00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:00.420
disguise it.

776
00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:03.180
You can see that he's like trying to use it as little as

777
00:33:03.180 --> 00:33:03.480
possible.

778
00:33:03.539 --> 00:33:04.500
Yeah, yeah.

779
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:09.900
And of course, it's from this story and several shots of Tom

780
00:33:09.900 --> 00:33:13.680
without his scarf that Daypole had their image references.

781
00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:14.819
Oh, really?

782
00:33:14.819 --> 00:33:18.119
To make their Tom Baker action figure, which is why it doesn't

783
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:20.759
come with a scarf because they weren't sent photos of him with a

784
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:21.059
scarf.

785
00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:23.700
And who knew that Tom Baker's doctor wore a scarf?

786
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:25.019
Oh, day poll.

787
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:28.200
And I actually love this...

788
00:33:28.500 --> 00:33:30.180
I just love it.

789
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:31.859
I think it's her best hair.

790
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:34.259
Oh, I was about to say, I love her hair down.

791
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:39.000
I have to say, I think my favourite hairstyle for this season is

792
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:40.440
actually from the Armageddon factor.

793
00:33:40.500 --> 00:33:42.299
Oh, that's pretty German too.

794
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:46.740
But I love this as a sort of day-to-day outfit.

795
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:50.579
I love the frock. and there's kind of a green petticoat under it

796
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:52.140
which you get a bit of a flash off occasionally.

797
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:55.859
Um, you know, just as a, just as a um, contrast in colour.

798
00:33:55.920 --> 00:33:56.339
It's lovely.

799
00:33:56.460 --> 00:33:59.160
This is another great scene of comedy.

800
00:34:00.180 --> 00:34:03.299
And some fabulous acting there for Mary.

801
00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:03.779
Look at her.

802
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:05.759
You can tell exactly what she's thinking.

803
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:08.639
I am...

804
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:18.300
I recently re-listened to the Auntie Matter, which is the 1st Mary

805
00:34:18.300 --> 00:34:23.219
Tam, Big Finish Tom story, and it was released posthumously, and

806
00:34:23.219 --> 00:34:26.280
in the special features, David Richardson, the producer says, you

807
00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:29.340
know, Mary wasn't Welsh. when she was recording these, but she was

808
00:34:29.340 --> 00:34:31.559
determined to do the 72 parters.

809
00:34:31.619 --> 00:34:34.380
And that's interspersed with a lovely interview from Mary herself

810
00:34:34.380 --> 00:34:36.000
talking about how much she loves Doctor Who.

811
00:34:36.780 --> 00:34:40.199
She's so good in those audios. those audios are fantastic.

812
00:34:40.260 --> 00:34:42.179
I actually don't have that 1st one.

813
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:44.159
I've got all the rest, but I've got to listen to it.

814
00:34:44.219 --> 00:34:46.199
See, and this is just wonderful.

815
00:34:46.260 --> 00:34:49.320
The framing of all of these actors, the doctor and Romana and

816
00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:50.340
canine, and now these two.

817
00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:53.280
I think he's doing a great job.

818
00:34:53.340 --> 00:34:57.179
He puts, yeah, he puts such thought into his composition of shots

819
00:34:57.179 --> 00:35:01.320
which wasn't always a priority for Doctor Who directors because

820
00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:07.139
they're working on multicam. for the very small budget. time.

821
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:09.000
Let's just join.

822
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:10.860
What's that, darling?

823
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:12.360
What's that?

824
00:35:12.420 --> 00:35:15.719
Actually, that's what I would like to answer that, but I'm not

825
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:18.179
allowed to because there's not supposed to be an innuendo at this

826
00:35:18.179 --> 00:35:18.480
podcast.

827
00:35:18.780 --> 00:35:21.480
Oh dear, I didn't think of it that way ever.

828
00:35:21.539 --> 00:35:23.159
Is that what Vivian was after?

829
00:35:23.219 --> 00:35:24.360
Yes.

830
00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:27.900
You can use it to shine your shoes.

831
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:30.059
Vivian, not Surfing.

832
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:31.619
Does it pay your potatoes and things?

833
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:34.440
Look, I think it's a sonic potato peeler.

834
00:35:34.500 --> 00:35:35.280
So clever.

835
00:35:35.340 --> 00:35:36.239
That shot again.

836
00:35:36.300 --> 00:35:38.340
Yeah, you can see all their faces, can't you, Todd?

837
00:35:38.460 --> 00:35:40.559
Everyone's acting and everyone's reacting. wonderful.

838
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:45.719
But also too descript, like, the doctor knows there's something

839
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:48.539
wrong and he knows that it's not Amelia.

840
00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:54.119
Like he suspects Vivian, but without really giving the game away.

841
00:35:54.179 --> 00:35:55.260
Yeah, yeah.

842
00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:56.219
Come on, girls.

843
00:35:56.340 --> 00:36:03.059
I think David Fisher is like an unsung hero of the Williams era.

844
00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:05.820
And you know what, especially of women?

845
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:11.039
Like, even the next story, which only has one speaking female

846
00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:12.659
character, aside from Romana.

847
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:16.500
Madame Larmia is a really well drawn character and a tragic

848
00:36:16.500 --> 00:36:16.920
character.

849
00:36:17.820 --> 00:36:20.159
Goddess of mercy.

850
00:36:20.219 --> 00:36:21.539
She's not happy.

851
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:25.320
It's not your week. mercy on us.

852
00:36:25.380 --> 00:36:26.219
Stop acting.

853
00:36:26.460 --> 00:36:28.260
Oh my god.

854
00:36:28.380 --> 00:36:32.400
I don't think we agreed with about this, did we, Brandon, but

855
00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:36.840
these giant glowing fibreglass turds are ridiculous.

856
00:36:36.900 --> 00:36:38.159
I like them.

857
00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:39.300
I think they're fantastic.

858
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:42.420
I want I want these to come back.

859
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:45.840
I actually want them to be able to levitate like and actually get

860
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:46.739
into 2nd floors.

861
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:49.920
So I actually do want the ogry back.

862
00:36:49.980 --> 00:36:52.920
And to horrifically drain people's life energy.

863
00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:53.760
Yeah.

864
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:58.380
If they did come back, I would like them to appear as per David

865
00:36:58.380 --> 00:37:02.099
Fisher's original idea, which is they are stones, which then morph

866
00:37:02.099 --> 00:37:03.480
into bipedal rock people.

867
00:37:03.539 --> 00:37:05.940
Yeah, see that would have been cool, but we're too cheap to do

868
00:37:05.940 --> 00:37:06.179
that.

869
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:07.739
Yeah, and, you know, you know what?

870
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:11.099
I think for the extra amount of money it would have cost.

871
00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:13.380
This is still effective.

872
00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:15.960
You know, and you've got to decide where you're spending the

873
00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:16.199
money.

874
00:37:16.260 --> 00:37:18.539
I love how he covers canine's eyes, so he doesn't.

875
00:37:18.599 --> 00:37:21.300
But it also draws your attention away from that body that's

876
00:37:21.300 --> 00:37:21.840
there.

877
00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:23.400
Oh, and his blood and stuff.

878
00:37:23.460 --> 00:37:23.699
Yeah.

879
00:37:23.699 --> 00:37:24.239
Yeah.

880
00:37:24.300 --> 00:37:28.199
And, you know, he's he's really actually quite well contorted

881
00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:30.480
himself into what looks like a slightly unnatural angle.

882
00:37:31.019 --> 00:37:33.119
Oh, I think it's Zanium.

883
00:37:33.539 --> 00:37:35.340
Heaven help us.

884
00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:38.880
Yeah, she's got a bit of a temper on her.

885
00:37:38.940 --> 00:37:40.860
Like, you know, failer and...

886
00:37:40.860 --> 00:37:42.599
It's real Maconite, you know?

887
00:37:42.659 --> 00:37:44.639
Yeah, yeah.

888
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:47.039
It just came canine, a helping hand, as you do.

889
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:52.440
Yep, position K9 for the next shot.

890
00:37:52.500 --> 00:37:55.739
You know, if there wasn't a recording break there, I do wonder if

891
00:37:55.739 --> 00:37:58.980
a stage hand quickly runs in and moves, K died like 2 extra feet.

892
00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:03.239
I think it just looks like Harrison Chase's place after one of his

893
00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:06.300
really more extravagant parties, don't you?

894
00:38:06.420 --> 00:38:09.840
after he's been playing all night in his ring cathedral.

895
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:12.300
Someone ate a cucumber and it just wasn't pretty after that.

896
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:15.059
Next thing you'll be saying, like, you know, we'll see some sort

897
00:38:15.059 --> 00:38:19.800
of comedy movie with the dead body and Harrison and his butler

898
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:23.760
will be having to card it around. weekend with DeFreeze.

899
00:38:26.760 --> 00:38:28.380
Oh dear.

900
00:38:29.940 --> 00:38:33.420
Now, I found I actually found those things really scary.

901
00:38:33.480 --> 00:38:37.860
You know, um, as a kid, that's the stones, like, we did.

902
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:39.659
I think it's also the heartbeat sound.

903
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:42.599
Yeah, I think the sound is...

904
00:38:42.659 --> 00:38:44.880
Because it's a primeval sound.

905
00:38:44.940 --> 00:38:48.000
You know, it's the same reason that most people when they hear a

906
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:51.179
baby crying will feel uneasy and feel distressed because we're

907
00:38:51.179 --> 00:38:52.199
genetically hardwired.

908
00:38:52.260 --> 00:38:53.699
Yeah, program for it.

909
00:38:53.699 --> 00:38:54.119
Yeah.

910
00:38:54.179 --> 00:38:58.619
Um, and, you know, so also low sounds.

911
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:00.900
Yes, it sounds like a heartbeat, but it also sounds like an animal

912
00:39:00.900 --> 00:39:03.539
growling.

913
00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:05.039
Sausage sandwiches.

914
00:39:05.099 --> 00:39:09.239
I use that in a Doctor Who charades thing once as an object.

915
00:39:09.300 --> 00:39:11.880
It was Vivian face sausage sandwiches.

916
00:39:11.940 --> 00:39:13.019
I love this.

917
00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:13.980
I love sausage sand.

918
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:15.780
That's what we should have called the podcast.

919
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:19.320
The only thing better than a sausage sandwich is curried sausage.

920
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:22.320
That's so lucky euphemism.

921
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:25.559
It wasn't, it wasn't, and I think during this scene, for sausage

922
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:28.500
sandwiches, we should give a shout out to friend of the podcast

923
00:39:28.500 --> 00:39:33.480
who were Pete on Twitter, who is a massive fan of The Stones of

924
00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:33.719
Blood.

925
00:39:33.780 --> 00:39:36.059
I think it may actually be his favourite Doctor Who story.

926
00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:38.039
He's a man of rare taste.

927
00:39:38.099 --> 00:39:39.300
Good taste, yeah.

928
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:43.860
He actually has this great, It almost a reaction GIF coming up

929
00:39:43.860 --> 00:39:48.539
from this scene where Vivian gives kind of gives Romana side eye

930
00:39:48.539 --> 00:39:49.139
about her theories.

931
00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:51.119
I'll point it out when we get there, which shot.

932
00:39:51.780 --> 00:39:56.579
Um, but yeah, I love the fact that while the doctor's off getting

933
00:39:56.579 --> 00:39:58.980
knocked out, it's the 3 women who are working on the mystery.

934
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:00.599
And not talking about him.

935
00:40:00.659 --> 00:40:03.239
Yeah, and again, the companion is getting...

936
00:40:03.239 --> 00:40:05.039
Oh, except for that.

937
00:40:05.099 --> 00:40:06.599
Wonderful line.

938
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:09.000
And 10 maybe 8.

939
00:40:09.059 --> 00:40:12.480
But the fact that Romana is investigating, again, which we'll do

940
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:15.179
next week as well, and another David Fisher script is just

941
00:40:15.179 --> 00:40:16.440
delightful.

942
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:18.599
What else did he do?

943
00:40:18.659 --> 00:40:19.739
He did leisure high.

944
00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:20.219
Did he?

945
00:40:20.219 --> 00:40:21.239
What did he do the following year?

946
00:40:21.300 --> 00:40:22.079
from the pit.

947
00:40:22.139 --> 00:40:23.760
See, that's great as well.

948
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:24.659
It's this shot.

949
00:40:27.179 --> 00:40:30.480
Oh, yes.

950
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:33.960
Oh, yes.

951
00:40:34.019 --> 00:40:36.659
Oh, I think I need to make that into a gift.

952
00:40:36.900 --> 00:40:40.980
But yeah, so he this is his 1st Doctor Who story.

953
00:40:41.039 --> 00:40:45.900
And then he was very quickly asked to write Androids of Tara, which

954
00:40:45.900 --> 00:40:48.780
was a replacement script for another story that fell through.

955
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:54.840
Uh, he then he did write a um, a plot outline for what became City

956
00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:55.260
of Death.

957
00:40:55.380 --> 00:40:57.360
I think he did, I thought he did more than that.

958
00:40:57.420 --> 00:40:59.159
I think he actually did a script and then they had to rewrote it

959
00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:00.179
without the casino.

960
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:01.320
Maybe I'm wrong.

961
00:41:01.380 --> 00:41:02.460
Maybe he did do a full script.

962
00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:06.780
And he did creature from the pit, and then, of course, he did the

963
00:41:06.780 --> 00:41:07.500
leisure hive.

964
00:41:07.619 --> 00:41:08.760
Which, yeah, was.

965
00:41:08.820 --> 00:41:10.139
Yeah, had all the jokes taken out.

966
00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:10.860
Yeah.

967
00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:14.099
You know, I think, you know, he did do a script for Christopher

968
00:41:14.099 --> 00:41:16.380
Bidmead, who then wrote it again.

969
00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:18.480
So there was a script he did for Graham Williams, then a version

970
00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:22.139
he did for Bidmead and J and T, which changed before it made the

971
00:41:22.139 --> 00:41:22.559
screen again.

972
00:41:22.619 --> 00:41:25.559
I think Bidmead has actually said that it was a mistake to take

973
00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:28.920
all of the jokes or quite so many of the jokes out of Fisher's

974
00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:29.219
script.

975
00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:31.199
But that's only because it was the 1st one.

976
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:32.519
They were reacting against that.

977
00:41:32.579 --> 00:41:36.599
Yeah, you know, even so, it's still got like Leisurehive still has

978
00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:37.079
humour in it.

979
00:41:37.139 --> 00:41:39.179
I think it's spectacular. like it a lot.

980
00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:43.139
Yeah, Paul, Paul love it, Bickford, though, and the BBCs.

981
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:46.260
Understandable policy on...

982
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:48.300
Here we go.

983
00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:49.260
Yes, I'll come back to that.

984
00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:51.000
Hooray.

985
00:41:51.059 --> 00:41:52.320
Oh, yes.

986
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:55.619
Who in America is getting arrested so carrying an offensive weapon

987
00:41:55.619 --> 00:41:56.159
for God's sake.

988
00:41:56.219 --> 00:41:58.199
What's the 1970s?

989
00:41:58.260 --> 00:42:00.719
Well, okay, I was I was talking about a friend of mine before we

990
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:01.559
started recording.

991
00:42:01.619 --> 00:42:05.280
She's a lady in my wrestling club and maybe going to the

992
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:06.179
Commonwealth Games.

993
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:08.880
She grew up in Australia and America.

994
00:42:08.940 --> 00:42:13.619
And because she has jujitsu training in several other forms of

995
00:42:13.619 --> 00:42:21.239
martial arts, If she is tacked in America, And defends herself, she

996
00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:23.820
can be countersued for assaulting someone with a dangerous

997
00:42:23.820 --> 00:42:24.179
weapon.

998
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:27.659
If you have that kind of training and then the only...

999
00:42:27.659 --> 00:42:28.679
She is the dangerous weapon.

1000
00:42:28.739 --> 00:42:30.360
Yeah, well, actually, you know what?

1001
00:42:30.420 --> 00:42:31.559
Yes, I have never won.

1002
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:33.119
I've never won. pinned her.

1003
00:42:33.179 --> 00:42:34.920
I have never won a wrestling doubt against her.

1004
00:42:34.980 --> 00:42:35.400
She is amazing.

1005
00:42:35.460 --> 00:42:40.139
Now, all of this bits and pieces and shredded paper.

1006
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:43.800
Yeah, it's a bit, you know, unconvincing.

1007
00:42:43.860 --> 00:42:47.400
I was really disturbed by this as a kid because of course I loved

1008
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:48.000
K9.

1009
00:42:48.059 --> 00:42:51.059
Yeah, and so, you know, it's practically canine having his gut

1010
00:42:51.059 --> 00:42:51.539
spilled out.

1011
00:42:51.659 --> 00:42:54.119
Oh, I know this where he says, you know, leave me.

1012
00:42:54.179 --> 00:42:57.119
And then they cannibalise me for spare parts.

1013
00:42:57.239 --> 00:42:59.639
Yeah, and then they walk away and kind of talk about, you know

1014
00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:00.840
putting him to sleep and things.

1015
00:43:00.900 --> 00:43:02.219
Oh, here we go.

1016
00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:04.199
It'll be all right, listeners, by the way.

1017
00:43:04.260 --> 00:43:08.699
And you can tell it's the empty prop canine because he's got the

1018
00:43:08.699 --> 00:43:09.780
yellow tartan collar.

1019
00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:12.900
Whereas the real canine has the red and green tartan collar.

1020
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:15.480
I don't know why they did 2 different ones.

1021
00:43:15.539 --> 00:43:18.179
If it was just a matter of on the studio floor, we need to make

1022
00:43:18.179 --> 00:43:19.079
sure we grab the right one.

1023
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:24.420
So whenever you see anyone logging canine around, it's usually the

1024
00:43:24.420 --> 00:43:25.619
yellow one.

1025
00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:29.039
I like these little... tits they have.

1026
00:43:29.099 --> 00:43:31.860
Yeah, the little technical stuff, which never sounds stupid.

1027
00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:35.880
It's never like an 80s style techno babble thing.

1028
00:43:35.940 --> 00:43:38.400
But I like how they sort of look off the camera to one side and

1029
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:40.739
like they're still talking to each other like it's, it's, yes.

1030
00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:43.860
Tom also seems to be aware in this scene that his hair's getting

1031
00:43:43.860 --> 00:43:45.780
slightly too long because he's had to push it out of his eyes

1032
00:43:45.780 --> 00:43:46.619
twice.

1033
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:50.159
Mind you, it's not as bad as when Colin Baker gets along.

1034
00:43:50.219 --> 00:43:51.480
Or is he just doing a hair flip?

1035
00:43:51.659 --> 00:43:54.000
He's whipping his hair back and forth.

1036
00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:57.840
There we go again..

1037
00:43:59.099 --> 00:44:04.019
So my recent sort of blood tests actually show that I'm actually a

1038
00:44:04.019 --> 00:44:05.579
little bit low on globulin.

1039
00:44:05.940 --> 00:44:08.639
So I did explain to the doctor that I wasn't so worried about that

1040
00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:11.760
because it would make me less vulnerable to it.

1041
00:44:11.820 --> 00:44:12.719
I agree, it's wrong.

1042
00:44:12.780 --> 00:44:15.059
They'd go for they'd go for Tom, probably.

1043
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:17.159
Maybe we should give you some variety.

1044
00:44:17.219 --> 00:44:19.920
I'm really unimpressed by these comments.

1045
00:44:19.980 --> 00:44:22.260
I'm still getting over the Twitter comments from yesterday.

1046
00:44:22.619 --> 00:44:24.539
Oh, here she is.

1047
00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:25.619
This is like hilarious.

1048
00:44:25.739 --> 00:44:27.239
Oh, is that Martha?

1049
00:44:27.300 --> 00:44:30.300
Oh, it's yeah, yeah, that's Martha and DeFreece.

1050
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:36.900
Um, and the script specifies, and you can kind of make it out that

1051
00:44:36.900 --> 00:44:39.900
um, pretty much their heads are smashed.

1052
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:42.659
I was about to say, if you're globally and deficient, does that

1053
00:44:42.659 --> 00:44:45.300
make you one of the stones of blood and we can't touch you?

1054
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:47.639
Yeah, it may in fact be unwise.

1055
00:44:47.699 --> 00:44:49.980
This is why we've never been allowed to touch Nathan.

1056
00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:51.119
But I do have that.

1057
00:44:51.179 --> 00:44:55.260
I do love the fact, James, that, um, like she has to get dressed

1058
00:44:55.260 --> 00:44:58.500
up in all this paraphernalia just to do her little ceremony.

1059
00:44:58.559 --> 00:44:59.880
Like, do you know what I mean?

1060
00:44:59.940 --> 00:45:01.079
Like, just don't know who she is.

1061
00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:02.940
I have to put this on.

1062
00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:05.340
Despite the fact that there's no one around.

1063
00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:08.099
There's only 2 dead people and some oak creeps.

1064
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:09.000
But you know what it is?

1065
00:45:09.059 --> 00:45:11.639
It's the whole Midsomer Murders thing or if you come across

1066
00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:14.699
someone in a stone circle and they're just dressed in jeans and a

1067
00:45:14.699 --> 00:45:16.079
t-shirt, you're going to say, what are you doing here?

1068
00:45:16.139 --> 00:45:18.659
If you come across someone in a stone circle and they're dressed

1069
00:45:18.659 --> 00:45:20.400
in some ridiculous queen of the mayout.

1070
00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:22.860
It's a local festival.

1071
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:24.420
Of death.

1072
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:28.619
It's the festival. the festival of the Bergeracs or something, you

1073
00:45:28.619 --> 00:45:28.860
know.

1074
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:32.820
There is a trope, isn't there, that you go off and you get dressed

1075
00:45:32.820 --> 00:45:34.380
up in your evil outfit.

1076
00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:37.139
You know, like Barusa does that in 5 doctors.

1077
00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:41.039
He goes off, puts his evil gloves on, moves some people around

1078
00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:44.880
then gets his coronet of bastard...

1079
00:45:44.940 --> 00:45:49.500
And of course, Sir Eric Roberts.

1080
00:45:49.500 --> 00:45:50.699
Yes, dressing for the occasion.

1081
00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:51.960
I love that outfit.

1082
00:45:52.019 --> 00:45:58.739
I think in Assassin too, Caroline Holdaway in Assassin, uh, uh, who

1083
00:45:58.739 --> 00:46:02.579
gets dressed up, who gets fabulous makeup and stuff done and then

1084
00:46:02.579 --> 00:46:05.760
uh, and does her hair and then menaces Avon.

1085
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:11.940
I really love this, the fact that you're in an old house and he

1086
00:46:11.940 --> 00:46:14.579
links the raven and the crow and then you're waiting for the

1087
00:46:14.579 --> 00:46:14.880
secret.

1088
00:46:14.940 --> 00:46:17.940
You're waiting for the secret room or the thing to move.

1089
00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:20.579
I actually think that looks really great.

1090
00:46:20.699 --> 00:46:23.280
Oh, yeah, I want that fireplace.

1091
00:46:23.340 --> 00:46:24.300
Yeah.

1092
00:46:24.300 --> 00:46:30.300
I saw a really bittersweet animation during the week.

1093
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:34.019
It's just Robin leaning over the bust of Shakespeare just

1094
00:46:34.019 --> 00:46:37.559
constantly opening the bat doors to the bat poles and closing it

1095
00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:37.800
again.

1096
00:46:37.860 --> 00:46:42.239
I saw that too. just love her enthusiasm and her little looks, you

1097
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:42.480
know?

1098
00:46:42.539 --> 00:46:46.739
And now here we've got whatever that is, which looks like it's a

1099
00:46:46.739 --> 00:46:50.099
beta out of it, and like electric, you know, beta where your

1100
00:46:50.099 --> 00:46:52.139
mother makes the frosting for a cake.

1101
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:54.960
And this is just a box of flashing limes.

1102
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:55.619
Or where I do.

1103
00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:58.260
But she just makes it so convincing and plugs in a few little

1104
00:46:58.260 --> 00:47:03.360
audio... that's right Is that an audio in or an audio out?

1105
00:47:06.420 --> 00:47:07.860
Oh yes.

1106
00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:11.159
And yeah, she's just quite pleased with herself.

1107
00:47:11.219 --> 00:47:11.880
Yeah, he's fine.

1108
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:12.900
I'm going outside.

1109
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:14.820
Is that him for this story?

1110
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:15.659
Does he come back?

1111
00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:16.440
No, he comes back.

1112
00:47:16.500 --> 00:47:19.260
I do love how that shot's slightly higher than usual.

1113
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:21.480
Like they've got the camera up on a...

1114
00:47:21.539 --> 00:47:23.699
Yeah, I think they I think they have a chrome because they used it

1115
00:47:23.699 --> 00:47:25.559
earlier in DeFreeze's house as well.

1116
00:47:25.619 --> 00:47:26.579
What other...

1117
00:47:26.579 --> 00:47:28.079
Doctor Who's did this guy direct?

1118
00:47:28.139 --> 00:47:29.460
Because I'm really liking his direction.

1119
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:31.079
I believe this is his only one.

1120
00:47:31.139 --> 00:47:32.820
That's a criminal.

1121
00:47:32.940 --> 00:47:34.320
Daryl Blake.

1122
00:47:34.380 --> 00:47:36.059
He's not flashy, is he?

1123
00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:38.519
Like, there's no camp field or anything.

1124
00:47:38.579 --> 00:47:43.619
He's not... doing anything sort of particularly special.

1125
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:45.239
But hearty.

1126
00:47:45.300 --> 00:47:46.679
It's just super, super competent.

1127
00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:49.739
But he's thinking about the framing and how to make it.

1128
00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:50.340
Yeah.

1129
00:47:50.340 --> 00:47:53.400
And I mean, this is fabulous.

1130
00:47:53.460 --> 00:47:54.960
Like, I just love this in the script.

1131
00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:56.219
It's a great reveal too.

1132
00:47:56.280 --> 00:47:57.539
It's super smart.

1133
00:47:57.599 --> 00:47:58.920
It was set up. forgotten it.

1134
00:47:58.980 --> 00:48:02.760
But as a kid, it's like you always suspected her, you know, and

1135
00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:06.719
and you thought it could be, you know, she's involved in that sort

1136
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:07.079
of thing.

1137
00:48:07.139 --> 00:48:09.960
So it's that thing where, as the audience you didn't feel like, oh

1138
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:10.559
yes, I knew it.

1139
00:48:10.619 --> 00:48:12.780
And so it's positive reinforcement, you know?

1140
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:15.780
And I just love the stories about her too.

1141
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:17.699
You know, like she's from different areas.

1142
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:19.440
She comes over from Brazil.

1143
00:48:19.500 --> 00:48:20.699
She kills her husband.

1144
00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:23.880
You know, she's she's really just terrific.

1145
00:48:23.940 --> 00:48:26.099
That's a great scene and a great reveal.

1146
00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:28.980
And now we're back in studio for.

1147
00:48:28.980 --> 00:48:30.840
Oh, I love this.

1148
00:48:30.900 --> 00:48:35.099
Oh, should we get, like, again, a lovely, I love the shots of this

1149
00:48:35.099 --> 00:48:36.599
and now, da da.

1150
00:48:36.659 --> 00:48:39.719
Oh, yes, and I'm still wearing my um.

1151
00:48:40.260 --> 00:48:42.659
Yes, but Romana seems not to notice because it's kind of out of

1152
00:48:42.659 --> 00:48:42.960
shot.

1153
00:48:43.619 --> 00:48:45.719
Shall we see?

1154
00:48:45.780 --> 00:48:51.000
Actually, the Romana is the perfect companion for that to happen

1155
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:52.559
to because to Romana.

1156
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:54.840
She knows nothing about earth culture.

1157
00:48:54.900 --> 00:48:55.559
Yeah it's great.

1158
00:48:55.619 --> 00:48:56.579
This is just evening wear.

1159
00:48:58.260 --> 00:49:01.739
That's an interesting thing how Romana's down and then she's

1160
00:49:01.739 --> 00:49:02.460
sitting like a statue.

1161
00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:06.179
I mean, obviously that's limitation of the technology at the time

1162
00:49:06.179 --> 00:49:07.260
but you know Romana's now.

1163
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:09.239
Who knows?

1164
00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:09.659
Who knows?

1165
00:49:09.659 --> 00:49:13.139
Disintegrated, probably. and that and that wasn't even the

1166
00:49:13.139 --> 00:49:14.280
original cliffhanger, of course.

1167
00:49:14.340 --> 00:49:18.059
The original cliffhanger was, you should recognise that face.

1168
00:49:18.119 --> 00:49:19.500
It's your friend Miss Faye.

1169
00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:22.199
And then an ogry was going to come up behind them.

1170
00:49:22.260 --> 00:49:26.699
But the episode was underrunning by about 30 seconds.

1171
00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:28.380
So we get that scene.

1172
00:49:28.440 --> 00:49:32.099
I like that kind of cliffhanger, though, where it's a new bit of

1173
00:49:32.099 --> 00:49:33.539
information that's revealed.

1174
00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:34.980
A one-two sort of punch.

1175
00:49:35.099 --> 00:49:35.880
Yeah.

1176
00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:38.099
It would have been better if it had been the original.

1177
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:38.760
Yeah.

1178
00:49:38.820 --> 00:49:46.260
Um Uh, I've been reading the new adventures each day.

1179
00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:47.579
I'm still very early on.

1180
00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:50.340
I'm currently in At time of recording.

1181
00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:51.659
I'm currently in time worm.

1182
00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:53.940
But by the time this goes out.

1183
00:49:54.420 --> 00:49:56.820
At least you're not in cat's cradle.

1184
00:49:57.239 --> 00:50:01.380
But I, um, yeah, I'm reading...

1185
00:50:01.380 --> 00:50:04.440
Timeworm Revelation by Paul Cornell.

1186
00:50:04.500 --> 00:50:07.920
And it's amazing, but I just finished Time Worm Apocalypse by

1187
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:09.659
Nigel Robinson, which is Middling.

1188
00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:12.900
And one of the problems I raise in it is you have to wait until

1189
00:50:12.900 --> 00:50:17.039
the last 20% of the book to get any answers.

1190
00:50:17.219 --> 00:50:20.880
Whereas here we get and we get an answer.

1191
00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:22.139
You drip you drip fed them.

1192
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:22.619
Exactly.

1193
00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:23.039
Exactly.

1194
00:50:23.099 --> 00:50:26.579
And I said, you know, that's a, that's an example of good Doctor

1195
00:50:26.579 --> 00:50:26.940
Who.

1196
00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:31.019
It's a big failing of the new adventures that they try to be

1197
00:50:31.019 --> 00:50:31.440
clever.

1198
00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:34.559
Sometimes they out clever themselves.

1199
00:50:34.619 --> 00:50:37.079
Yeah, and they just end up being tiresome, I think.

1200
00:50:37.139 --> 00:50:38.159
It makes it boring.

1201
00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:41.340
Like you're waiting for answers and you don't get them until too

1202
00:50:41.340 --> 00:50:42.239
late in the thing you don't care.

1203
00:50:42.300 --> 00:50:43.260
No, that's right.

1204
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:44.400
You forgotten the questions by then.

1205
00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:45.239
Yeah, yeah.

1206
00:50:45.300 --> 00:50:47.219
Oh, look, has it been going on?

1207
00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:50.219
So yes, you're right. sandwich convention. go and have a look.

1208
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:52.380
But he did to Doomwatch.

1209
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:54.599
And Ace of Wands.

1210
00:50:54.659 --> 00:50:55.440
Oh.

1211
00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:57.539
I love how she sort of just prances.

1212
00:50:57.539 --> 00:50:58.320
And Paul Temple.

1213
00:50:58.320 --> 00:50:59.579
Throws her and then...

1214
00:50:59.579 --> 00:51:01.380
And the trances to get her staff.

1215
00:51:02.219 --> 00:51:04.079
Oh boy.

1216
00:51:04.139 --> 00:51:05.639
And crossroads.

1217
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:09.059
Directed in crossroads.

1218
00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:09.599
Oh, wow.

1219
00:51:09.659 --> 00:51:11.579
And some episodes of Corey.

1220
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:19.739
He's on the commentary for this as well with Mary and Tom's on a

1221
00:51:19.739 --> 00:51:19.980
second.

1222
00:51:20.099 --> 00:51:20.760
And triangle.

1223
00:51:23.820 --> 00:51:26.519
Oh, yeah, so...

1224
00:51:26.519 --> 00:51:29.039
Sorry, it wasn't that the episode the previous episode was

1225
00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:29.760
underrunning.

1226
00:51:29.820 --> 00:51:31.800
It was overrunning, so they had to move this shot.

1227
00:51:31.860 --> 00:51:32.639
That's what it was.

1228
00:51:32.699 --> 00:51:33.900
Yeah.

1229
00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:39.719
Because this is quite quite a lengthy scene that we build up to.

1230
00:51:39.780 --> 00:51:42.239
But it's why we get a sort of weird cut coming up.

1231
00:51:42.420 --> 00:51:45.300
This weird car.

1232
00:51:45.420 --> 00:51:48.179
It was to cut the fact that this was 2 separate shots.

1233
00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:49.679
It wasn't a continuous shot.

1234
00:51:50.519 --> 00:51:52.019
Oh, dear.

1235
00:51:52.139 --> 00:51:54.059
Really, Brendan?

1236
00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:55.260
Oh, and there's an arm.

1237
00:51:55.320 --> 00:51:59.699
Oh, and there's so, and you could also briefly see the person

1238
00:51:59.699 --> 00:52:01.199
behind it pushing out.

1239
00:52:01.380 --> 00:52:04.920
So there was just a bloke standing in the archway.

1240
00:52:04.980 --> 00:52:06.360
Oh dear.

1241
00:52:06.420 --> 00:52:10.199
Maybe that's someone ate earlier that was dragging along, slowly

1242
00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:11.579
sucking the life energy out of.

1243
00:52:11.699 --> 00:52:12.780
Good head cannon there.

1244
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:13.380
Yes.

1245
00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:13.800
Yes, yes.

1246
00:52:13.860 --> 00:52:17.340
And this is also one of the few Doctor Who stories of the 70s and

1247
00:52:17.340 --> 00:52:19.139
80s where Dick Mills doesn't do the special sound.

1248
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:20.099
This is Liz Parker.

1249
00:52:20.219 --> 00:52:23.099
Who, of course, would do much of the special sound for Blake 7.

1250
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:23.400
Yeah.

1251
00:52:23.460 --> 00:52:25.559
Well, so it's women all round.

1252
00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:27.900
Apart from the director.

1253
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:29.460
And the producer.

1254
00:52:29.579 --> 00:52:30.420
I'm the star.

1255
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:31.260
And the star.

1256
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:32.579
Unlisted de Freeze.

1257
00:52:32.699 --> 00:52:33.480
And canine.

1258
00:52:33.539 --> 00:52:33.840
Yeah.

1259
00:52:33.900 --> 00:52:36.239
I mean, the jury's still allowed Mr. DeFreeze.

1260
00:52:36.300 --> 00:52:37.800
The and the Magara.

1261
00:52:37.860 --> 00:52:39.480
The Pagara women?

1262
00:52:39.539 --> 00:52:41.699
No, no. they Michael Wisher?

1263
00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:43.199
Are they?

1264
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:43.440
No.

1265
00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:45.420
Oh, this is fantastic.

1266
00:52:45.539 --> 00:52:47.280
Oh, yes.

1267
00:52:47.340 --> 00:52:49.079
Bless her. at this.

1268
00:52:50.460 --> 00:52:52.559
I want her to be a companion.

1269
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:56.219
Yeah, let's have a whole series where her and the doctor go on

1270
00:52:56.219 --> 00:52:57.599
adventures in the name of science.

1271
00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:00.239
She's some, she's good, Tom.

1272
00:53:00.300 --> 00:53:03.780
She's kind of proto Maggie Stables.

1273
00:53:03.780 --> 00:53:04.320
Yes.

1274
00:53:04.380 --> 00:53:04.980
Yes, yeah.

1275
00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:07.980
I think when they were when they were writing in Evelyn, they very

1276
00:53:07.980 --> 00:53:11.579
much had Amelia Rumford and Amelia Ducan in mind.

1277
00:53:11.940 --> 00:53:15.300
Well, and it works with Colin for the same reason it works with

1278
00:53:15.300 --> 00:53:16.199
Tom, you know.

1279
00:53:16.260 --> 00:53:18.420
Because he's so bompous and he needs to be brought down.

1280
00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:22.139
Donald Blake also did EastEnders.

1281
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:24.420
Oh, and it's oh, here we go.

1282
00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:26.219
I think this is a little bit.

1283
00:53:26.219 --> 00:53:27.539
Embarrassing.

1284
00:53:27.599 --> 00:53:30.840
The music is a bit on the nose.

1285
00:53:30.900 --> 00:53:32.340
But at least she's trying to sell it.

1286
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:33.059
Yeah.

1287
00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:36.900
Yeah, and that line is just perfect.

1288
00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:39.420
And the ogre is on the canine track.

1289
00:53:39.659 --> 00:53:41.460
Yeah, that's it.

1290
00:53:41.519 --> 00:53:46.380
They look ridiculous. twigs. hold up those twigs. look like it's

1291
00:53:46.380 --> 00:53:47.159
got some weight behind it.

1292
00:53:47.219 --> 00:53:48.300
Oh, dear.

1293
00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:52.619
It's like when one of the goodies falls off a cliff, isn't it?

1294
00:53:53.340 --> 00:53:55.860
Now, that's an interesting shot, that one.

1295
00:53:55.860 --> 00:53:57.480
That's quite good.

1296
00:53:57.539 --> 00:54:01.139
That was taken wholesale from a film.

1297
00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:03.599
And unfortunately, I did have it written down.

1298
00:54:03.659 --> 00:54:04.559
I can't find my notes.

1299
00:54:04.619 --> 00:54:05.820
But yes, it...

1300
00:54:05.940 --> 00:54:06.780
Was it the Muppet babies?

1301
00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:08.340
Yes, it was the Muppet Babies.

1302
00:54:08.460 --> 00:54:09.900
Was it?

1303
00:54:09.960 --> 00:54:11.460
Yeah, but it...

1304
00:54:11.460 --> 00:54:15.420
Meanwhile, Monty Python and the strokes of blood.

1305
00:54:15.659 --> 00:54:18.420
The same Raiders.

1306
00:54:18.420 --> 00:54:19.320
Fire.

1307
00:54:19.380 --> 00:54:19.920
Come on.

1308
00:54:19.980 --> 00:54:21.420
What are you doing, Susan?

1309
00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:23.099
For God's sake, keep it pointed.

1310
00:54:23.159 --> 00:54:24.119
He's got a wide angle.

1311
00:54:24.179 --> 00:54:25.320
Oh here we go.

1312
00:54:28.380 --> 00:54:31.260
She shouldn't be holding the staff in front of a face.

1313
00:54:32.340 --> 00:54:35.579
Oh, she's like super evil now.

1314
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:37.320
I just remember.

1315
00:54:37.380 --> 00:54:38.760
Roger Moore eyebrows, yes.

1316
00:54:38.820 --> 00:54:39.179
Yes.

1317
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:48.719
Yeah, great villain delivery.

1318
00:54:48.780 --> 00:54:53.340
There are very, very few female villains in the Tom Baker era, and

1319
00:54:53.340 --> 00:54:56.519
she would have to be really well and truly one of the best.

1320
00:54:56.579 --> 00:55:00.480
You see, I quite like the nurse from the previous story.

1321
00:55:00.539 --> 00:55:03.179
And I really like, um, addressed her.

1322
00:55:03.239 --> 00:55:04.980
Yep, another David Fisher.

1323
00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:06.059
Yep, script.

1324
00:55:06.119 --> 00:55:08.219
Adrast is fabulous, actually. really really good.

1325
00:55:09.059 --> 00:55:10.800
Who else do we have?

1326
00:55:10.860 --> 00:55:11.579
Hilda Winters.

1327
00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:15.360
Yeah, as villains, yeah, Hilda Winters.

1328
00:55:15.420 --> 00:55:18.840
Kind of Madeline, Agrisi from Space Pirates.

1329
00:55:18.900 --> 00:55:20.340
Oh, between Tom Baker.

1330
00:55:20.340 --> 00:55:21.119
In the Tom Baker.

1331
00:55:21.179 --> 00:55:22.380
Oh, just in the Tom Baker era.

1332
00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:25.679
Eldrad?.

1333
00:55:26.519 --> 00:55:28.199
Not very many.

1334
00:55:28.260 --> 00:55:29.760
No, no, there really isn't.

1335
00:55:29.820 --> 00:55:33.360
Certainly, there are hardly any women in the Hinchcliffe era.

1336
00:55:33.420 --> 00:55:33.659
Yeah.

1337
00:55:33.659 --> 00:55:33.960
Yeah.

1338
00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:37.320
I suppose you could say the Countess Scarlione?

1339
00:55:37.380 --> 00:55:38.639
No.

1340
00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:40.139
She's a dupe.

1341
00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:43.860
A very glamorous and spectacular, but she doesn't.

1342
00:55:43.860 --> 00:55:46.079
The king, the queen in, um, so.

1343
00:55:46.139 --> 00:55:47.820
Oh, yes, Camilla.

1344
00:55:47.880 --> 00:55:48.059
Yeah.

1345
00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:53.039
Lexa is a bit of a villain?

1346
00:55:53.099 --> 00:55:54.300
No, she's lovely.

1347
00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:55.860
We love Lexus.

1348
00:55:55.920 --> 00:55:59.099
She's just the intrans- intransigent base commander.

1349
00:55:59.159 --> 00:55:59.460
Yes.

1350
00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:04.559
Well, the chaplain. intransigent bass chaplain. can't imagine

1351
00:56:04.559 --> 00:56:06.179
Father Mulcahy acting like that.

1352
00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:12.300
So this is where the story takes a really weird turn because you

1353
00:56:12.300 --> 00:56:15.659
do expect it to be like image of the Fendal or like the way we

1354
00:56:15.659 --> 00:56:17.880
imagine all those Hinchcliffe stories to be.

1355
00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:23.219
Um, and it goes into like ludicrously fun science fiction.

1356
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:24.840
I love the twist.

1357
00:56:24.900 --> 00:56:29.340
Do you know, I'm actually surprised by that because, um, I love it

1358
00:56:29.340 --> 00:56:34.920
as well, but I would have guessed before I knew that you might

1359
00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:35.880
have thought it too silly.

1360
00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:41.099
I, That's very interesting that you have that impression of me.

1361
00:56:41.159 --> 00:56:41.699
I don't know.

1362
00:56:41.760 --> 00:56:44.460
It's just something that I've always liked about this story.

1363
00:56:44.519 --> 00:56:48.659
I really like the Megara and their silly little talk and trial and

1364
00:56:48.659 --> 00:56:51.239
everything like that, which of course, you know, is coming up.

1365
00:56:51.300 --> 00:56:56.820
But it is kind of, it is, it is intercut with this device and, and

1366
00:56:56.820 --> 00:56:58.380
with a tea towel on it.

1367
00:56:58.440 --> 00:57:02.099
And Amelia having to send off the ogre with K 9.

1368
00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:03.599
So there's there's other stuff going on.

1369
00:57:03.659 --> 00:57:07.980
If it had just been like in the ship for the rest of it, a bit

1370
00:57:07.980 --> 00:57:11.159
like when, like in the face of evil, when they go into the city of

1371
00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:14.760
those people, where it all just goes horribly wrong, perhaps not.

1372
00:57:14.820 --> 00:57:18.780
But I really do like, really do, oh, this sound effect.

1373
00:57:18.840 --> 00:57:19.500
Oh, it's bad.

1374
00:57:19.559 --> 00:57:20.820
Oh, I like it.

1375
00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:25.980
And and it coincides with him taking the detail off.

1376
00:57:27.840 --> 00:57:33.539
Okay, if we're going to be casting burboid like aspersions on the

1377
00:57:33.539 --> 00:57:35.699
protuberance of this thing.

1378
00:57:35.699 --> 00:57:37.380
I'm not allowed to say anything.

1379
00:57:38.460 --> 00:57:42.300
Okay, listeners, okay, dear listeners, if yours looks like that

1380
00:57:42.300 --> 00:57:42.960
see a doctor.

1381
00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:45.960
Which one?

1382
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:47.699
a bit vividly red, isn't it?

1383
00:57:50.340 --> 00:57:57.420
Oh, I love someone has described this scene as canine throwing

1384
00:57:57.420 --> 00:57:58.019
shade.

1385
00:57:59.460 --> 00:58:01.800
This is...

1386
00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:02.639
Oh, shut up, Kate.

1387
00:58:02.639 --> 00:58:04.440
So nicely done.

1388
00:58:04.500 --> 00:58:05.159
Yeah.

1389
00:58:05.219 --> 00:58:07.559
And again, you've got canine framed in between the 2 of them

1390
00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:07.860
there.

1391
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:09.300
So everyone's faces on screen.

1392
00:58:10.019 --> 00:58:16.920
But just the question she asks and his explanations and and you

1393
00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:18.539
feel a bit like that, I think, is a viewer.

1394
00:58:18.599 --> 00:58:20.760
Like you accept it, but it's sort of like, you know?

1395
00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:25.079
I also like, too, that she's asking questions not because she's

1396
00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:27.119
stupid, but because this isn't her area.

1397
00:58:27.179 --> 00:58:29.219
Yeah, he has an acquiring mind.

1398
00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:29.760
Yeah, yeah.

1399
00:58:29.820 --> 00:58:33.659
And she knows stuff about relatively even though she's not a

1400
00:58:33.659 --> 00:58:34.139
physicist.

1401
00:58:34.619 --> 00:58:37.500
You know, like all of that stuff's fun.

1402
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:41.460
So she's fun and smart and curious and is asking exposition.

1403
00:58:41.519 --> 00:58:44.940
You don't have to be a character who has no educational knowledge

1404
00:58:44.940 --> 00:58:48.360
to ask the right questions to move on the plot.

1405
00:58:48.539 --> 00:58:50.460
You don't have to be stupid.

1406
00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:53.760
Yeah, and so it serves to characterise her and her funny

1407
00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:59.280
dismissive line about this. all that stuff about academia is just

1408
00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:04.500
tremendous I think there's a real, I don't know, was it, is it

1409
00:59:04.500 --> 00:59:07.679
synergy between the script and Anthony Reid and David Fisher?

1410
00:59:07.739 --> 00:59:08.820
I just think they work really well.

1411
00:59:09.000 --> 00:59:13.139
Yeah, well, um, the impression you get watching...

1412
00:59:13.139 --> 00:59:18.599
The various making of is that Anthony Reid just seem to get on

1413
00:59:18.599 --> 00:59:19.139
with everyone.

1414
00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:25.139
You know, and he was, he seems to be very much someone who sort of

1415
00:59:25.139 --> 00:59:26.280
gave the writers their head.

1416
00:59:26.340 --> 00:59:29.579
And, you know, just communicated with them.

1417
00:59:29.639 --> 00:59:33.179
It comes across as very personable in interviews, doesn't he?

1418
00:59:33.239 --> 00:59:33.900
Yeah.

1419
00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:38.639
Whereas, yeah, even even Douglas Adams next year, you kind of get

1420
00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:42.780
the impression that he rewrote a lot himself, which the writers

1421
00:59:42.780 --> 00:59:43.440
didn't object to.

1422
00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:46.139
Yeah, in a time.

1423
00:59:47.699 --> 00:59:52.920
And now, of course, in the late 80s, there was a science fiction

1424
00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:54.360
film called inner space.

1425
00:59:54.420 --> 00:59:58.619
So, you know, again, that was just something that my childish mind

1426
00:59:58.619 --> 01:00:02.760
sort of mashed together inner space sort of being a comedic

1427
01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:03.840
version of Fantastic Voyage.

1428
01:00:03.900 --> 01:00:07.380
We would have been watching this in the late 80s, early 90s when

1429
01:00:07.380 --> 01:00:08.940
it was constantly repeated on the ABC.

1430
01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:09.420
Yes.

1431
01:00:09.420 --> 01:00:12.420
Some of us a bit earlier.

1432
01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:15.599
I think I remember seeing it the 1st time it aired on Australian

1433
01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:17.519
television, which was so exciting.

1434
01:00:17.579 --> 01:00:20.579
Like we had no idea of how it would work.

1435
01:00:20.639 --> 01:00:23.880
Actually, that's quite true because like we'd had the repeats and

1436
01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:26.760
I remember Sarah leaving and then Leila leaving and then that

1437
01:00:26.760 --> 01:00:27.119
happened.

1438
01:00:27.119 --> 01:00:29.639
And then suddenly we had Romana.

1439
01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:31.380
And, yeah.

1440
01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:37.500
I think I think I was definitely aware that this was new when I

1441
01:00:37.500 --> 01:00:38.039
watched it.

1442
01:00:38.159 --> 01:00:42.539
She, and I certainly remember the beginning of season 17 as well

1443
01:00:42.539 --> 01:00:46.199
but I remember ringing my friend, you know, after the 1st episode

1444
01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:49.860
of Rebos operation and going, ooh, I wonder whether they'll find a

1445
01:00:49.860 --> 01:00:52.679
segment of the key to time next week. because I didn't know that

1446
01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:56.460
it was going to be 6 stories, each one about segment of the key.

1447
01:00:56.579 --> 01:00:59.519
The other thing I really like about this is that there are cuts

1448
01:00:59.519 --> 01:01:00.960
from like her house.

1449
01:01:01.019 --> 01:01:01.679
They're back here.

1450
01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:04.619
And when, and even when they're running away from the ogre, they're

1451
01:01:04.619 --> 01:01:06.840
in the mansion and they're suddenly at the cliff, like it's very

1452
01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:11.159
much new style sort of storytelling, rather.

1453
01:01:11.219 --> 01:01:13.980
Yeah, rather than we're going to follow them being chased all the

1454
01:01:13.980 --> 01:01:14.219
way.

1455
01:01:14.280 --> 01:01:15.420
So suddenly boom, boom.

1456
01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:18.179
Like it's like dashing from one place to another, but you're not

1457
01:01:18.179 --> 01:01:19.860
actually showing the dash. moves the story on.

1458
01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:20.280
Yeah.

1459
01:01:20.280 --> 01:01:20.820
Yeah.

1460
01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:27.900
You know, years ago, I was thinking to myself, what makes soap

1461
01:01:27.900 --> 01:01:30.599
operas so different to regular dramas?

1462
01:01:30.659 --> 01:01:32.099
And I figured out what it was.

1463
01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:34.019
And this is especially true of American soaps.

1464
01:01:34.079 --> 01:01:36.480
It's less true of British soaps and Australian soaps, but

1465
01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:37.980
especially American soaps.

1466
01:01:38.039 --> 01:01:39.420
You don't get that.

1467
01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:44.159
You'll cut away from family A, family B. But then when you cut

1468
01:01:44.159 --> 01:01:49.559
away to cut back to family A, They'll recap their previous

1469
01:01:49.559 --> 01:01:52.139
conversation before continuing.

1470
01:01:52.260 --> 01:01:53.400
Nothing's happened off screen.

1471
01:01:53.460 --> 01:01:57.719
And I think that's where good drama succeeds, where, you know, you

1472
01:01:57.719 --> 01:01:58.739
cut out the boring bits.

1473
01:01:58.860 --> 01:02:04.079
I think soap opera has to work for an audience that isn't paying

1474
01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:05.760
attention or isn't tuning in every day.

1475
01:02:05.820 --> 01:02:06.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1476
01:02:06.840 --> 01:02:08.940
So it needs to be constant during the washing.

1477
01:02:08.940 --> 01:02:09.719
Yeah, whilst watching.

1478
01:02:09.780 --> 01:02:11.159
That's so good.

1479
01:02:11.219 --> 01:02:14.579
Just her reaction to that thing exploding in, you know?

1480
01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:17.880
I'm also struck by how long Roman is being kept offscreen.

1481
01:02:17.940 --> 01:02:19.440
Oh, in this episode.

1482
01:02:19.500 --> 01:02:20.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1483
01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:25.019
And she's she's really selling the, oh, my friend is actually evil

1484
01:02:25.019 --> 01:02:29.579
and and has kidnapped your friend.

1485
01:02:29.639 --> 01:02:31.019
Like she's really worried.

1486
01:02:31.079 --> 01:02:33.599
Yeah, it's like, what...

1487
01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:37.860
Okay, one minute 20.

1488
01:02:38.159 --> 01:02:39.000
I'm going to play.

1489
01:02:39.059 --> 01:02:42.000
One hour, 20. doing so well.

1490
01:02:42.059 --> 01:02:43.559
I know, I know.

1491
01:02:43.619 --> 01:02:45.119
I forgot this is not bond finger.

1492
01:02:46.500 --> 01:02:49.199
Bond thing is the one with the champagne.

1493
01:02:49.260 --> 01:02:50.219
Yeah.

1494
01:02:50.280 --> 01:02:51.840
Yeah, and I'm not even drunk.

1495
01:02:51.900 --> 01:02:54.360
Yeah, it's like 11.30 AM.

1496
01:02:54.420 --> 01:02:55.320
We're not drinking yet.

1497
01:02:55.380 --> 01:02:56.880
Nathan, you're right.

1498
01:02:56.940 --> 01:03:00.599
Romani is missing for a long time in this episode.

1499
01:03:00.659 --> 01:03:01.559
Yeah, yeah.

1500
01:03:01.619 --> 01:03:02.880
I think that's good.

1501
01:03:02.940 --> 01:03:06.599
I think that's really good But you don't necessarily always feel

1502
01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:09.599
like she's missing because you've got Amelia there and Romana's

1503
01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:10.619
been doing the investigating.

1504
01:03:10.679 --> 01:03:14.579
Now that you've mentioned it, yes, obviously, but why does he do

1505
01:03:14.579 --> 01:03:14.760
that?

1506
01:03:14.820 --> 01:03:16.019
Why does he have to spin like that?

1507
01:03:16.079 --> 01:03:17.340
He thinks he's being funny.

1508
01:03:17.400 --> 01:03:18.239
Well, you know what?

1509
01:03:18.300 --> 01:03:20.760
I think he's probably said to Daryl, hey, Daryl, what is this

1510
01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:21.659
effect going to look like?

1511
01:03:21.719 --> 01:03:22.739
Well it's going to look like a spiral.

1512
01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:24.420
Oh, well, how about I spin in the spiral?

1513
01:03:24.480 --> 01:03:26.519
And the directors obviously said, okay.

1514
01:03:26.579 --> 01:03:31.500
Oh, yeah, no, yes, I do agree, but I'm just saying like, you know

1515
01:03:31.500 --> 01:03:33.420
really come off.

1516
01:03:34.559 --> 01:03:38.519
Something you were saying earlier about the structure, Nathan.

1517
01:03:38.579 --> 01:03:42.780
You know, we go from this being our Hinchcliffe style horror to

1518
01:03:42.780 --> 01:03:44.760
this strange kind of spacy thing.

1519
01:03:44.820 --> 01:03:48.719
Before we started recording listeners, last week as we record was

1520
01:03:48.719 --> 01:03:53.699
Empress of Mars, the episode, and she's gone painted herself

1521
01:03:53.699 --> 01:03:54.119
silver.

1522
01:03:54.239 --> 01:03:57.900
And Nathan and I were discussing whether it might have been better

1523
01:03:57.900 --> 01:03:58.860
as a two-parter.

1524
01:03:58.920 --> 01:04:01.260
And Nathan brought up the interesting point that in the new series

1525
01:04:01.260 --> 01:04:04.019
the two-parters work best when the 2 episodes are very different

1526
01:04:04.019 --> 01:04:04.619
from each other.

1527
01:04:04.679 --> 01:04:06.119
And that's what happens here.

1528
01:04:06.179 --> 01:04:09.840
In new series terms, episodes one and 2 would be the 1st part

1529
01:04:09.840 --> 01:04:12.000
which is the horror style story.

1530
01:04:12.059 --> 01:04:13.260
And then episode two.

1531
01:04:13.320 --> 01:04:17.099
We get this science fiction explanation with the fake skeleton and

1532
01:04:17.099 --> 01:04:18.000
him looking really guilty.

1533
01:04:18.059 --> 01:04:22.920
It does it does kind of kick the pace up the...

1534
01:04:22.980 --> 01:04:24.300
Oh how hilarious.

1535
01:04:26.340 --> 01:04:30.000
I managed to sense myself that time.

1536
01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:31.739
That's all right.

1537
01:04:31.800 --> 01:04:33.119
Don't go on about it.

1538
01:04:33.179 --> 01:04:34.320
Oh dear.

1539
01:04:34.380 --> 01:04:36.780
Crow Android with big lips, yeah.

1540
01:04:39.840 --> 01:04:41.760
Now, I find it.

1541
01:04:41.820 --> 01:04:44.579
I do find it strange here that they talk about hyperspace being an

1542
01:04:44.579 --> 01:04:47.519
impossibility where we've had hyperspace in the show before, but

1543
01:04:47.519 --> 01:04:49.559
maybe this is a different kind of hyperspace.

1544
01:04:49.679 --> 01:04:51.599
Or a different script editor, right?

1545
01:04:51.659 --> 01:04:52.440
Well exactly.

1546
01:04:52.920 --> 01:04:56.699
But you know, something something like that, you know, they never

1547
01:04:56.699 --> 01:04:59.820
say something like, oh, warp drive doesn't exist because warp

1548
01:04:59.820 --> 01:05:01.559
drive is used on the show a couple of times.

1549
01:05:01.619 --> 01:05:04.619
Looks like the Sylvester McCoy title sequence in the background.

1550
01:05:04.739 --> 01:05:06.119
Sorry.

1551
01:05:09.179 --> 01:05:10.199
Love this.

1552
01:05:10.260 --> 01:05:11.579
Loved it.

1553
01:05:14.639 --> 01:05:16.619
And to be fair, I still can't draw on a computer like that.

1554
01:05:16.679 --> 01:05:17.159
So, you know.

1555
01:05:17.219 --> 01:05:20.639
No, I mean, I mean, you know, they're using the technology at the

1556
01:05:20.639 --> 01:05:24.780
time and it helps you to understand where it is and that sort of

1557
01:05:24.780 --> 01:05:24.960
thing.

1558
01:05:25.019 --> 01:05:25.679
It's effective.

1559
01:05:26.159 --> 01:05:30.179
Now, I should mention now because at the time of recording season

1560
01:05:30.179 --> 01:05:32.340
24, I wasn't sure if we were going to do this.

1561
01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:37.320
Our new flight through entirety, Sylvester McCoy era logo was

1562
01:05:37.320 --> 01:05:41.099
designed by my friend Anthony Wells of pro bono publico design.

1563
01:05:41.159 --> 01:05:43.739
And yeah, he did an amazing job.

1564
01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:45.900
So this is my, this is my 1st mention of that.

1565
01:05:45.960 --> 01:05:48.000
Of course, it's been in the show notes for several weeks now.

1566
01:05:48.059 --> 01:05:49.260
That's right.

1567
01:05:49.320 --> 01:05:50.460
You have seen it, in fact.

1568
01:05:50.519 --> 01:05:52.559
You've seen him, but, you know, I wanted to give a verbal

1569
01:05:52.559 --> 01:05:52.860
mention.

1570
01:05:52.920 --> 01:05:56.639
I can attest to that, Brendan showed it to me the other day and

1571
01:05:56.639 --> 01:05:57.119
the logo.

1572
01:05:59.099 --> 01:06:02.039
Now, this ship is terrible.

1573
01:06:02.099 --> 01:06:06.059
Made of Space 1999 Eagle commercial model kits.

1574
01:06:06.360 --> 01:06:09.420
And at the back there, microphones.

1575
01:06:09.539 --> 01:06:10.199
Yep.

1576
01:06:10.260 --> 01:06:12.239
Like the ones we're using now, actually.

1577
01:06:12.300 --> 01:06:13.800
It's terrible, isn't it?

1578
01:06:13.860 --> 01:06:18.360
And the problem is that thing where the model is so small that you

1579
01:06:18.360 --> 01:06:20.820
can't shoot it close up and so it just looks small.

1580
01:06:20.880 --> 01:06:25.320
I think the main problem is, um, you know, it's shot on video and

1581
01:06:25.320 --> 01:06:27.420
then done on green screen, so there's no depth of field.

1582
01:06:27.480 --> 01:06:29.039
No, that doesn't help either.

1583
01:06:29.159 --> 01:06:30.900
Yeah, I think...

1584
01:06:30.900 --> 01:06:33.599
I understand why they never shoot these things from below either.

1585
01:06:33.659 --> 01:06:35.099
That would help too, wouldn't it?

1586
01:06:35.159 --> 01:06:39.420
Um, I, that, you know what they did in the invasion of time.

1587
01:06:39.480 --> 01:06:42.599
The Varden ship was always shot, was almost always shot from

1588
01:06:42.599 --> 01:06:42.840
below.

1589
01:06:42.960 --> 01:06:44.880
Oh, for the film shots.

1590
01:06:44.940 --> 01:06:46.260
There are a few video shots of it.

1591
01:06:46.320 --> 01:06:49.260
But yeah, you know, I understand Daryl Blake here is trying to

1592
01:06:49.260 --> 01:06:52.139
avoid any filming as a cost-saving measure.

1593
01:06:52.199 --> 01:06:55.739
And I suppose there are so few shots of the ship you can get away

1594
01:06:55.739 --> 01:06:56.099
with it.

1595
01:06:56.099 --> 01:06:58.619
And we did get that wonderful shot earlier with the doctor walking

1596
01:06:58.619 --> 01:07:02.159
through the window and you see him from the outside, which would

1597
01:07:02.159 --> 01:07:05.639
have been more difficult to achieve on film for a Doctor Who

1598
01:07:05.639 --> 01:07:06.059
budget.

1599
01:07:06.119 --> 01:07:09.300
But yeah, it is a shame because I don't think the model's at

1600
01:07:09.300 --> 01:07:09.599
fault.

1601
01:07:09.659 --> 01:07:12.840
I think the way you shoot it is like if you look at the the

1602
01:07:12.840 --> 01:07:17.280
empress next year, the empress and the Hekate, those are really

1603
01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:19.800
good looking models, but they look so terrible on video.

1604
01:07:19.860 --> 01:07:23.280
And even the Hyperion 3 looks terrible, doesn't it, many years

1605
01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:23.639
later?

1606
01:07:23.699 --> 01:07:27.179
Maybe they should re-release all these things with CG effects.

1607
01:07:27.239 --> 01:07:28.320
Like a different option.

1608
01:07:30.119 --> 01:07:32.760
To remember the darken space?

1609
01:07:32.820 --> 01:07:34.920
Can I just say?

1610
01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:37.139
that as a kid?

1611
01:07:37.199 --> 01:07:39.000
Burgeoning awakenings?

1612
01:07:39.059 --> 01:07:39.659
Higher.

1613
01:07:39.719 --> 01:07:43.079
When this gentleman came out of the tent.

1614
01:07:43.139 --> 01:07:45.179
I always love this scene.

1615
01:07:45.239 --> 01:07:48.719
I never quite understood why. many years later.

1616
01:07:48.780 --> 01:07:49.860
That's right.

1617
01:07:49.920 --> 01:07:52.619
And of course, yeah, look at him.

1618
01:07:52.679 --> 01:07:54.179
He's well fit.

1619
01:07:54.239 --> 01:07:58.199
He's in a rather 70s hairless kind of way.

1620
01:07:58.260 --> 01:08:03.179
Yes, but James, I am from the 70s, so Pat, Pat.

1621
01:08:03.239 --> 01:08:06.300
And of course, Pat making her 2nd appearance in 2 weeks is Sharon

1622
01:08:06.300 --> 01:08:11.159
Taylor, who we saw last week as you are listening, dear listener

1623
01:08:11.159 --> 01:08:14.760
as Stella's mum in Dragonfire.

1624
01:08:14.820 --> 01:08:15.900
Oh God, she was awful.

1625
01:08:15.960 --> 01:08:17.640
Oh gosh.

1626
01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:20.100
Oh, no, no, no, no.

1627
01:08:20.159 --> 01:08:23.220
I can we point to that out when we were doing the live tweet.

1628
01:08:23.220 --> 01:08:25.619
The live tweets and I didn't make the connection.

1629
01:08:25.739 --> 01:08:29.579
I mean, this is just, like, as a chart, I actually had nightmares

1630
01:08:29.579 --> 01:08:29.939
about this.

1631
01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:31.079
Oh yeah, me too.

1632
01:08:31.140 --> 01:08:31.500
Oh, yes.

1633
01:08:31.560 --> 01:08:33.960
Like, it's really, really horrific.

1634
01:08:34.020 --> 01:08:36.779
You know what I said at the time, it looks like a tomorrow

1635
01:08:36.779 --> 01:08:37.140
person.

1636
01:08:37.859 --> 01:08:41.279
I do think that Graham Williams, when he does horror, actually

1637
01:08:41.279 --> 01:08:45.300
does it better than Hinchcliffe, because you get the these 2

1638
01:08:45.300 --> 01:08:46.680
people who we haven't seen before.

1639
01:08:46.739 --> 01:08:48.119
Obviously we won't see them again.

1640
01:08:48.180 --> 01:08:51.539
But you, you're affected to red.

1641
01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:51.779
Yeah.

1642
01:08:51.840 --> 01:08:53.579
Yeah, they're normal people.

1643
01:08:53.640 --> 01:08:56.579
In fact, you know, there's a lot of times when Doctor Who opens

1644
01:08:56.579 --> 01:09:00.000
with 2 people who'll get killed by the monster. you know, think

1645
01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:01.560
Attack of the Cyberman.

1646
01:09:01.680 --> 01:09:04.680
Yeah, for all about any other criticisms of that story.

1647
01:09:04.739 --> 01:09:06.300
That opening scene is incredibly effective.

1648
01:09:06.420 --> 01:09:09.659
Yeah, whereas here, they're normal people.

1649
01:09:09.720 --> 01:09:10.560
Do you know what I mean?

1650
01:09:10.619 --> 01:09:13.680
And they're, you know, talking about the pub the night before.

1651
01:09:13.739 --> 01:09:16.199
They've just happened to stumble into the plot.

1652
01:09:16.260 --> 01:09:16.920
Yeah, yeah.

1653
01:09:16.920 --> 01:09:19.079
And they've gone into the woods and never to be seen of again.

1654
01:09:19.140 --> 01:09:21.840
I think that must I think that must have been a particularly evil

1655
01:09:21.840 --> 01:09:23.460
we're in. because it's been locked up.

1656
01:09:23.520 --> 01:09:24.539
A naughty wearing.

1657
01:09:24.539 --> 01:09:25.380
A naughty wearing.

1658
01:09:25.920 --> 01:09:28.979
It's not got anything to do with the fact that that's all they

1659
01:09:28.979 --> 01:09:29.939
can.

1660
01:09:29.939 --> 01:09:34.140
But they're only in it for that short amount of time, but it's so

1661
01:09:34.140 --> 01:09:34.619
effective.

1662
01:09:34.680 --> 01:09:36.659
Yeah, yeah, it's a great scene.

1663
01:09:36.720 --> 01:09:38.699
The dying people are the women.

1664
01:09:39.239 --> 01:09:39.960
The dying people.

1665
01:09:40.020 --> 01:09:40.680
Sorry.

1666
01:09:40.739 --> 01:09:43.500
And now...

1667
01:09:43.500 --> 01:09:47.880
And of course, we have to dock down so the visual... and we don't

1668
01:09:47.880 --> 01:09:48.300
notice it.

1669
01:09:48.359 --> 01:09:53.460
So, um, the, the, the Magara were these little sort of um

1670
01:09:53.460 --> 01:09:58.560
sculptures, sculptures of lights, essentially, being carried

1671
01:09:58.560 --> 01:10:03.420
around and manipulated by 2 black clad puppeteers, but it's the

1672
01:10:03.420 --> 01:10:10.619
same lights that are used for Arato's voice speaking module the

1673
01:10:10.619 --> 01:10:11.159
following year.

1674
01:10:11.220 --> 01:10:13.739
It's a similar principle, but they didn't need the puppeteers.

1675
01:10:13.800 --> 01:10:17.399
No, but the way the lights go round and around with the shining

1676
01:10:17.399 --> 01:10:20.340
central, like it's clearly the same sort of prop.

1677
01:10:20.399 --> 01:10:24.359
Um, well, I think these, the light balls themselves were the

1678
01:10:24.359 --> 01:10:25.500
property of the puppeteers.

1679
01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:28.560
But yeah, I think for creature from the pit, the BBC made their

1680
01:10:28.560 --> 01:10:28.739
own.

1681
01:10:28.859 --> 01:10:35.699
And of course, we have, we have the central lights being voice

1682
01:10:35.699 --> 01:10:40.800
activated by Gerard Cross and David McAllister. doing their

1683
01:10:40.800 --> 01:10:42.060
Michael Wisher impersonation.

1684
01:10:42.239 --> 01:10:44.520
No one's eye line is right.

1685
01:10:46.140 --> 01:10:47.939
It doesn't matter.

1686
01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:50.520
Like, you know, I just think, or maybe he's looking away because

1687
01:10:50.520 --> 01:10:52.439
the light's too bright and they're blinding him.

1688
01:10:52.500 --> 01:10:53.640
More head cannon.

1689
01:10:53.699 --> 01:10:54.720
Yes, good.

1690
01:10:54.720 --> 01:10:56.880
I love this. having their own little chat.

1691
01:10:57.000 --> 01:11:00.180
You know, they're just these flashing lights and, you know, they

1692
01:11:00.180 --> 01:11:04.380
sneak off and then they get a little bit...

1693
01:11:04.380 --> 01:11:07.619
And then, like, they're not looking at him like they're just, you

1694
01:11:07.619 --> 01:11:08.520
know, I just love it.

1695
01:11:08.579 --> 01:11:09.180
I love it.

1696
01:11:09.239 --> 01:11:11.340
None can escape the magata.

1697
01:11:12.359 --> 01:11:16.260
I think the script expects them to be floating balls.

1698
01:11:16.319 --> 01:11:21.239
Yes, but Star Wars had just come out and there's that scene where

1699
01:11:21.239 --> 01:11:24.119
Luke is training with a floating ball and Daryl Blake said, I want

1700
01:11:24.119 --> 01:11:25.800
to avoid a direct comparison.

1701
01:11:25.859 --> 01:11:26.699
Well, I think he made a good choice.

1702
01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:27.600
Yeah, me too.

1703
01:11:27.659 --> 01:11:31.920
I like the lights and it ties in with the mythological idea.

1704
01:11:31.979 --> 01:11:36.420
You know, of course, the Megara were mythological beings in in

1705
01:11:36.420 --> 01:11:40.140
Celtic and, um, uh, angle mythology.

1706
01:11:41.760 --> 01:11:46.680
Yeah, so, and so to have them as lights and sort of little areas.

1707
01:11:46.739 --> 01:11:51.779
Well, I think we, I think I remember in our episode on Stones of

1708
01:11:51.779 --> 01:11:55.260
Blood, speculating about the person whose job it was to paint her

1709
01:11:55.260 --> 01:11:56.399
breast, silver.

1710
01:11:56.460 --> 01:11:58.500
Well, the...

1711
01:11:59.100 --> 01:11:59.579
I don't know.

1712
01:11:59.579 --> 01:12:00.479
John Nathan Turner.

1713
01:12:01.439 --> 01:12:03.239
Was it Beatrice?

1714
01:12:06.479 --> 01:12:10.199
I would say it was the makeup designer who was Anne Briggs.

1715
01:12:10.260 --> 01:12:12.239
Oh, thank you very much qualification.

1716
01:12:12.300 --> 01:12:13.619
Got that a bit wrong.

1717
01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:15.659
Lesbian and Briggs?

1718
01:12:15.720 --> 01:12:16.260
Okay.

1719
01:12:16.979 --> 01:12:20.340
Her pulsing staff is put paid to that other.

1720
01:12:20.340 --> 01:12:22.199
Oh, straight in the camera.

1721
01:12:22.199 --> 01:12:23.819
It's such a good makeup job.

1722
01:12:23.880 --> 01:12:26.699
Oh, agree. or whatever she's saying.

1723
01:12:26.760 --> 01:12:27.899
Oh, agree.

1724
01:12:28.439 --> 01:12:31.739
And she just does this little look at the end here.

1725
01:12:31.800 --> 01:12:33.300
She's having a moment.

1726
01:12:34.140 --> 01:12:39.359
And you can just kind of see behind that, the swirliness.

1727
01:12:39.420 --> 01:12:42.300
The camera is tilting up.

1728
01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:44.520
But because the rocks are in such shadow, it's hard to tell, but I

1729
01:12:44.520 --> 01:12:45.840
picked that up my last time watching this.

1730
01:12:45.899 --> 01:12:47.760
So she's floating up into the ship.

1731
01:12:47.819 --> 01:12:48.899
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1732
01:12:49.140 --> 01:12:54.239
But it's interesting that, like, she comes into that and and, like

1733
01:12:54.239 --> 01:12:59.460
she's just faded away. and I assume Professor's thing has to go to

1734
01:12:59.460 --> 01:12:59.760
this point.

1735
01:12:59.819 --> 01:13:01.920
Does that mean that she can just hijack that and come from any

1736
01:13:01.920 --> 01:13:02.520
point of the ship?

1737
01:13:02.579 --> 01:13:04.380
Do you know what I'm saying rather than standing where on her?

1738
01:13:04.380 --> 01:13:05.220
Yeah, yeah. coming in here.

1739
01:13:05.279 --> 01:13:07.739
Yeah, well, I think I think Vivian has complete control.

1740
01:13:08.460 --> 01:13:10.920
So that's actually her swirly thing.

1741
01:13:10.979 --> 01:13:11.340
Yeah.

1742
01:13:11.340 --> 01:13:13.859
Not the professor's swirly thing. right.

1743
01:13:13.920 --> 01:13:16.380
Yeah, because she destroyed the swelly thing and then she made her

1744
01:13:16.380 --> 01:13:17.039
own soy thing.

1745
01:13:17.100 --> 01:13:17.579
Forever.

1746
01:13:19.199 --> 01:13:23.340
And she's got a great laugh for a cliffhanger, it has to be said.

1747
01:13:23.399 --> 01:13:27.479
There's nothing wrong with that Tom sort of hugging and clutching

1748
01:13:27.479 --> 01:13:28.079
Mary there.

1749
01:13:28.140 --> 01:13:32.159
At this stage, and to the end of his tenure.

1750
01:13:32.220 --> 01:13:37.500
Tom's attitude for how does the doctor deal with women is the

1751
01:13:37.500 --> 01:13:43.140
doctor doesn't have the human heterosexual male attraction to

1752
01:13:43.140 --> 01:13:43.500
women.

1753
01:13:43.619 --> 01:13:46.560
So he, you know, he will he will just grab them and clutch them

1754
01:13:46.560 --> 01:13:49.079
clothes because we need to be close for the trans mat, you know

1755
01:13:49.079 --> 01:13:54.300
and his whole thing was the doctor doesn't see anything sexual in

1756
01:13:54.300 --> 01:13:55.560
that because it never occurs to him.

1757
01:13:55.619 --> 01:13:59.939
And it's why at the beginning, um, when Mary's saying, no, no, you

1758
01:13:59.939 --> 01:14:00.539
can't come in yet.

1759
01:14:00.600 --> 01:14:02.399
When he's saying, what do you mean I can't come in?

1760
01:14:02.460 --> 01:14:05.699
He doesn't understand that you can't walk in on someone who's

1761
01:14:05.699 --> 01:14:06.060
dressing.

1762
01:14:06.060 --> 01:14:10.859
But it was also a way where he could motivate lots of scenes of

1763
01:14:10.859 --> 01:14:13.800
him clutching his female post-star, probably.

1764
01:14:13.859 --> 01:14:16.500
Especially when they're as attractive as Mary Tam.

1765
01:14:16.560 --> 01:14:17.100
Yeah, yeah.

1766
01:14:17.100 --> 01:14:19.439
And even more when they're Lal award.

1767
01:14:19.680 --> 01:14:22.859
I think he wouldn't have dared tried it with Louise Jameson.

1768
01:14:23.340 --> 01:14:25.619
Well, he hated her at the time.

1769
01:14:25.680 --> 01:14:30.420
Well, apparently after Horror of Fang Rock, where she just said to

1770
01:14:30.420 --> 01:14:31.920
him, look, you're being very unfair.

1771
01:14:31.979 --> 01:14:34.079
Maybe you don't want to have a sidekick, but I'm here too.

1772
01:14:34.140 --> 01:14:38.039
Apparently, after that point, it wasn't the friendship it is now

1773
01:14:38.039 --> 01:14:40.800
but it was a healthy working relationship.

1774
01:14:41.760 --> 01:14:45.600
I can't believe we're...

1775
01:14:45.659 --> 01:14:47.159
It goes so quickly.

1776
01:14:47.220 --> 01:14:49.859
It's such a joy when you're watching so much fun.

1777
01:14:49.920 --> 01:14:51.479
It does seem like a jaw.

1778
01:14:51.600 --> 01:14:53.399
Yeah, he does whip along, doesn't it?

1779
01:14:53.460 --> 01:14:55.560
We're not watching the keys of barrenness again.

1780
01:14:56.100 --> 01:15:00.539
I think the trial scenes in this are so much better than the child

1781
01:15:00.539 --> 01:15:02.039
seems in trial and time lord.

1782
01:15:02.100 --> 01:15:03.060
You know why?

1783
01:15:03.119 --> 01:15:05.039
Because people are standing and moving around the set.

1784
01:15:05.100 --> 01:15:08.460
You know, why wasn't Linda Bellium painted in silver, for God's

1785
01:15:08.460 --> 01:15:08.819
sake.

1786
01:15:08.880 --> 01:15:10.560
That would have been great.

1787
01:15:10.619 --> 01:15:12.960
Okay, some good cliff.

1788
01:15:13.020 --> 01:15:15.000
Well, not quite cliffhang rending there.

1789
01:15:15.060 --> 01:15:16.020
Acting.

1790
01:15:16.020 --> 01:15:18.300
She smelt the fart.

1791
01:15:18.659 --> 01:15:20.939
Deos ex Megara.

1792
01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:24.779
Sorry.

1793
01:15:24.779 --> 01:15:29.100
And I'm, you know, these sloping panels, they don't quite meet the

1794
01:15:29.100 --> 01:15:30.119
floor, but I like it.

1795
01:15:30.180 --> 01:15:31.920
He is ours, he is ours.

1796
01:15:31.979 --> 01:15:33.300
You may have him afterwards.

1797
01:15:33.359 --> 01:15:34.319
I want four.

1798
01:15:34.319 --> 01:15:36.779
A haircut.

1799
01:15:37.199 --> 01:15:39.840
Yeah, he needs one, you're right, Brendan.

1800
01:15:39.899 --> 01:15:42.180
He's like, he's like pertly.

1801
01:15:42.239 --> 01:15:45.600
It's his 5th season and his hair is at his most buffon.

1802
01:15:45.659 --> 01:15:51.779
Is that console made of like a cushion to model of BBC Television

1803
01:15:51.779 --> 01:15:52.140
Centre?

1804
01:15:52.680 --> 01:15:55.560
Yes, from the arc in space, probably.

1805
01:15:55.619 --> 01:15:58.140
Yeah, it's another one of those control pedals for the Arkin space

1806
01:15:58.140 --> 01:16:00.119
that's been, but yeah, you're like, you're right.

1807
01:16:00.180 --> 01:16:02.520
It looks like TV centre, which is...

1808
01:16:02.520 --> 01:16:03.600
Being turned into apartment.

1809
01:16:03.600 --> 01:16:04.800
Being turned into flats, yeah.

1810
01:16:04.859 --> 01:16:08.939
I love how she's strained in that shop where she's sitting, like

1811
01:16:08.939 --> 01:16:09.300
again.

1812
01:16:09.300 --> 01:16:11.640
I think they've demolished the action, Hilton.

1813
01:16:11.699 --> 01:16:12.960
Yes, yes, they have.

1814
01:16:13.020 --> 01:16:16.680
I actually did a little pilgrimage to the BBC television centre

1815
01:16:16.680 --> 01:16:17.880
last time I was in London.

1816
01:16:17.939 --> 01:16:21.779
I just sort of sat there in quiet contemplation outside the gates

1817
01:16:21.779 --> 01:16:22.500
for a little while.

1818
01:16:22.619 --> 01:16:23.819
What did you think about?

1819
01:16:24.239 --> 01:16:26.520
They filmed this in there.

1820
01:16:26.819 --> 01:16:29.699
Pete regenerated in here, you know.

1821
01:16:29.760 --> 01:16:33.659
Amusingly, when I did the same thing when I was living in the UK

1822
01:16:33.659 --> 01:16:42.239
about eight, 9 years ago, um, as I was walking down, to, to, like

1823
01:16:42.239 --> 01:16:47.340
to television centre, a, a garbage truck went past, and the name

1824
01:16:47.340 --> 01:16:51.479
of the company was, um, disposing of the waste was TARDIS.

1825
01:16:51.899 --> 01:16:54.119
TARDIS waste disposal.

1826
01:16:54.180 --> 01:16:56.220
And it had a picture of a police box on the side of it.

1827
01:16:57.359 --> 01:17:00.840
No one in the BBC is actually looking out because, you know

1828
01:17:00.840 --> 01:17:01.439
they'll sue.

1829
01:17:01.500 --> 01:17:02.760
Exactly.

1830
01:17:02.819 --> 01:17:06.239
They even sued to the metropolitan police, didn't they?

1831
01:17:06.300 --> 01:17:06.659
Yeah.

1832
01:17:06.659 --> 01:17:13.140
So I'm just laughing at the Magara telling off Romano. up for the

1833
01:17:13.140 --> 01:17:14.100
death penalty as well.

1834
01:17:14.579 --> 01:17:17.640
Maybe we should get the Megara to impeach Trump.

1835
01:17:18.119 --> 01:17:21.060
They'd vaporise him on the spot.

1836
01:17:22.199 --> 01:17:25.680
Your testimony is irrelevant and orange.

1837
01:17:29.220 --> 01:17:32.039
She's quite liking them, really.

1838
01:17:33.600 --> 01:17:39.539
But I do wonder if they're kind of a counterpoint to the

1839
01:17:39.539 --> 01:17:43.680
envisioning of Romana as a kind of buy the book character. you

1840
01:17:43.680 --> 01:17:46.439
know, last story she's talking about in Berkeley's Planetary

1841
01:17:46.439 --> 01:17:48.119
Gazetteer and what have you.

1842
01:17:48.600 --> 01:17:53.760
And so, you know, she does soften over the season and in the

1843
01:17:53.760 --> 01:17:57.180
season of Big Finish audios that Mary did with Tom.

1844
01:17:57.239 --> 01:18:01.439
There are, there are several moments where she contemplates

1845
01:18:01.439 --> 01:18:05.460
whether she should soften slightly, whether she should adopt new

1846
01:18:05.460 --> 01:18:06.539
ideas and what have you.

1847
01:18:06.600 --> 01:18:10.680
Because she does need to be kind of lawful good so that Tom has

1848
01:18:10.680 --> 01:18:11.939
someone to rebel again.

1849
01:18:12.000 --> 01:18:12.359
Yeah.

1850
01:18:12.479 --> 01:18:12.899
Yeah, yeah.

1851
01:18:12.960 --> 01:18:13.800
Yeah, exactly.

1852
01:18:14.399 --> 01:18:18.420
And yeah, next year instead, when she's more like the doctor, of

1853
01:18:18.420 --> 01:18:22.619
course, we get fabulous repartee, but we're getting fabulous

1854
01:18:22.619 --> 01:18:24.060
repartee here as well.

1855
01:18:24.119 --> 01:18:25.020
Another...

1856
01:18:25.140 --> 01:18:28.020
Another framing shop with Vivian in the Middle dance, fantastic.

1857
01:18:28.079 --> 01:18:31.380
Yeah, Daryl Blake has an excellent sense of depth of field.

1858
01:18:31.439 --> 01:18:32.579
It had never really struck me before.

1859
01:18:33.899 --> 01:18:37.859
There's still no one's eyelines are right when...

1860
01:18:37.920 --> 01:18:39.060
Oh, I can't win them all.

1861
01:18:40.500 --> 01:18:44.399
Need a tennis ball on a stick like they had for tooth and claw.

1862
01:18:44.520 --> 01:18:45.479
Yeah that's exactly right.

1863
01:18:45.539 --> 01:18:48.779
Oh, do you remember David Tennant?

1864
01:18:48.840 --> 01:18:50.520
commentary on tooth and claw?

1865
01:18:50.579 --> 01:18:53.279
talking about the guy in the in the motion capture suit.

1866
01:18:53.340 --> 01:18:56.520
Who's in a very skin tight motion capture suit and David Tennant

1867
01:18:56.520 --> 01:18:57.539
says he was a big boy.

1868
01:18:58.739 --> 01:19:01.800
I love to look at the tennis ball, apparently.

1869
01:19:02.039 --> 01:19:05.100
It wasn't the tennis ball I was looking at.

1870
01:19:05.159 --> 01:19:09.479
I love the way that Tom just takes this...

1871
01:19:09.539 --> 01:19:11.039
That is fantastic actually.

1872
01:19:11.100 --> 01:19:15.539
Cornell Day and topping hate this. in the discontinuity guide.

1873
01:19:15.600 --> 01:19:18.180
They say the 1st 2 episodes are great lead up and it's all thrown

1874
01:19:18.180 --> 01:19:21.119
away in the last 2 episodes revolving around the doctor's

1875
01:19:21.119 --> 01:19:23.220
defensive himself in hyperspace, which is woeful.

1876
01:19:23.279 --> 01:19:25.800
Well, can I just say I completely and utterly disagreed.

1877
01:19:25.859 --> 01:19:28.859
Yeah, so do I. You know, they also say that time and the Rani

1878
01:19:28.859 --> 01:19:31.380
would only be possible if it was cut down to 3 episodes and keep

1879
01:19:31.380 --> 01:19:32.760
with the self-lobotomizing kit.

1880
01:19:32.819 --> 01:19:34.500
Well, I do agree with them.

1881
01:19:36.180 --> 01:19:40.979
And Mr. DeVara... get it wrong.

1882
01:19:41.039 --> 01:19:42.720
Yeah, well, that's the thing.

1883
01:19:42.840 --> 01:19:46.260
It written Mr. about Trilunda, but it's all, like, it's almost

1884
01:19:46.260 --> 01:19:48.840
always pronounced as Mr. Trin.

1885
01:19:48.840 --> 01:19:50.640
Trin...

1886
01:19:50.699 --> 01:19:54.899
No, no, no, like it actually they actually change it halfway

1887
01:19:54.899 --> 01:19:56.220
through by accident.

1888
01:19:56.279 --> 01:19:58.560
Someone had spelt it and they just kept...

1889
01:19:58.619 --> 01:20:02.100
So in season 16, she's Romana de Varatnalunda. and then she

1890
01:20:02.100 --> 01:20:04.739
becomes Romana Veratra Lunda in season 17.

1891
01:20:04.859 --> 01:20:05.460
Oh, really?

1892
01:20:05.640 --> 01:20:09.779
And I think in one of the Gallifrey audios, Romana has a passing

1893
01:20:09.779 --> 01:20:11.760
comment, something on the lines of, oh, you know, I tried

1894
01:20:11.760 --> 01:20:13.199
different pronunciations once.

1895
01:20:13.260 --> 01:20:17.699
That's good She's really good at repairing.

1896
01:20:17.760 --> 01:20:21.119
Yeah, maybe maybe the 2nd half of your name evolves with each

1897
01:20:21.119 --> 01:20:22.140
regeneration.

1898
01:20:22.199 --> 01:20:24.119
I'd change my name, like at school.

1899
01:20:24.180 --> 01:20:28.500
Like I'm either BLB or BLB depending on how I like to pronounce my

1900
01:20:28.500 --> 01:20:28.680
name.

1901
01:20:28.739 --> 01:20:29.579
Fair enough.

1902
01:20:29.699 --> 01:20:33.720
Well, why do other timelines all have 2 syllable names then?

1903
01:20:33.779 --> 01:20:34.739
I don't really understand.

1904
01:20:34.800 --> 01:20:38.579
Well, in the Gallifrey Audios, Android is given a longer name.

1905
01:20:38.640 --> 01:20:42.779
Oh, he's Andred Veratralunda.

1906
01:20:42.840 --> 01:20:45.720
It's got it's got...

1907
01:20:45.720 --> 01:20:48.600
It's got lots of C's in it after the Android.

1908
01:20:48.659 --> 01:20:50.159
I like that.

1909
01:20:50.699 --> 01:20:54.060
Yeah, it's got lots of C's in it after the Android.

1910
01:20:54.119 --> 01:20:57.239
It kind of sounds like a dinosaur name, like Android.

1911
01:20:57.300 --> 01:21:01.979
Um, But yeah, sort of in the Gallifrey series as much as

1912
01:21:01.979 --> 01:21:02.340
possible.

1913
01:21:02.399 --> 01:21:05.039
Um, like Maxwell is referenced.

1914
01:21:05.100 --> 01:21:06.840
I don't think he appears, but he is referenced.

1915
01:21:06.899 --> 01:21:07.920
Maxel Veratrillon.

1916
01:21:08.039 --> 01:21:08.279
Yeah.

1917
01:21:08.640 --> 01:21:12.539
What is it, the completely useless encyclopedia said, you know, the

1918
01:21:12.539 --> 01:21:15.479
real secret of Doctor Who is going to be when the master, the, um

1919
01:21:15.479 --> 01:21:18.000
when the Doctor, the Master, and the Rani's names are revealed to

1920
01:21:18.000 --> 01:21:21.359
be Takundravatral, and the Cecil Dravatral, and the Ad Bjork.

1921
01:21:22.380 --> 01:21:24.779
I thought the doctor was Gordon.

1922
01:21:27.899 --> 01:21:29.340
His real name is Dorothy.

1923
01:21:29.399 --> 01:21:32.579
I never actually, ever, ever, ever want to find out his name.

1924
01:21:32.640 --> 01:21:34.140
His surname is Bennett.

1925
01:21:34.439 --> 01:21:37.920
Yeah, I've got no interest in finding out the doctor's name.

1926
01:21:37.979 --> 01:21:40.140
I was actually thinking about this the other day because reading

1927
01:21:40.140 --> 01:21:44.100
Timeworm Revelation where Cornell does amazing things with

1928
01:21:44.100 --> 01:21:44.579
language.

1929
01:21:44.640 --> 01:21:47.880
There's a moment where the doctor speaks a word that sounds like

1930
01:21:47.880 --> 01:21:51.479
breaking glass, and that's the description you get, and it got me

1931
01:21:51.479 --> 01:21:51.779
thinking.

1932
01:21:51.840 --> 01:21:52.979
It's like, no, I don't care.

1933
01:21:53.039 --> 01:21:53.579
It doesn't matter.

1934
01:21:53.640 --> 01:21:57.420
No, there's no possible answer to the question that wouldn't be

1935
01:21:57.420 --> 01:21:57.720
stupid.

1936
01:21:57.779 --> 01:21:58.619
Yeah.

1937
01:21:58.619 --> 01:21:58.920
Yeah.

1938
01:21:58.979 --> 01:21:59.399
Yeah.

1939
01:21:59.460 --> 01:22:01.920
Um, like name of the doctor.

1940
01:22:01.979 --> 01:22:05.039
Well, that's not a good story, but you did know that you were

1941
01:22:05.039 --> 01:22:06.899
never going to get the doctor's name.

1942
01:22:06.960 --> 01:22:09.960
Going back to this, which we're actually doing commentary on.

1943
01:22:10.319 --> 01:22:12.840
I do once again?

1944
01:22:13.380 --> 01:22:15.479
I do like this trial.

1945
01:22:15.539 --> 01:22:19.380
The doctor actually has witnesses that he can actually question as

1946
01:22:19.380 --> 01:22:21.779
opposed to another trial which I've watched recently.

1947
01:22:21.840 --> 01:22:25.500
And, you know, as you as you complained about with Trial of a Time

1948
01:22:25.500 --> 01:22:26.520
Lord, and I quite agree.

1949
01:22:26.579 --> 01:22:31.079
The doctor making fun of the Valiard belittles his character.

1950
01:22:31.140 --> 01:22:36.600
Whereas here, Tom is acting like he's in a real courtroom and

1951
01:22:36.600 --> 01:22:38.340
being respectful to the judges.

1952
01:22:38.399 --> 01:22:42.060
Occasionally, he's making snide little asides, but he's not doing

1953
01:22:42.060 --> 01:22:46.199
knackyard brickers yard all. you're just fairy life. because he's

1954
01:22:46.199 --> 01:22:48.899
frustrated, not because he's being disrespectful.

1955
01:22:48.960 --> 01:22:52.859
And because the scripts are wittier in this era.

1956
01:22:52.920 --> 01:22:56.939
Well, bloody Romana, making the professor carry the tripod.

1957
01:22:57.000 --> 01:23:00.119
Here, here, a 75-year-old woman carry this heavy object.

1958
01:23:01.260 --> 01:23:03.899
She's going to protect her blow dried hair.

1959
01:23:07.260 --> 01:23:10.800
See, you know, this, I really like this.

1960
01:23:10.859 --> 01:23:15.119
And, you know, it's hard to imagine another doctor doing as well

1961
01:23:15.119 --> 01:23:15.899
with this scene.

1962
01:23:15.960 --> 01:23:19.859
Certainly pert we hated acting with green screen performers.

1963
01:23:19.920 --> 01:23:20.939
Yellow screen.

1964
01:23:21.000 --> 01:23:23.880
It's witty, but it's...

1965
01:23:23.939 --> 01:23:25.079
You know, that really sells it.

1966
01:23:25.380 --> 01:23:26.579
Yeah, it's witty dialogue.

1967
01:23:26.640 --> 01:23:27.000
That's true.

1968
01:23:27.060 --> 01:23:28.020
It's clever as well.

1969
01:23:28.079 --> 01:23:29.460
Oh, clever way, that's what I meant.

1970
01:23:29.520 --> 01:23:33.359
But I mean, the way that he finally gets them to probe her mind

1971
01:23:33.359 --> 01:23:36.779
and solved the mystery. requires him to be smart.

1972
01:23:36.840 --> 01:23:39.420
And so I think that's really good.

1973
01:23:39.479 --> 01:23:42.840
And the look on his face there where she's agreed to what I want.

1974
01:23:42.899 --> 01:23:43.319
Oh, dear.

1975
01:23:43.439 --> 01:23:48.060
You know, not that he didn't want her to agree, but he realises

1976
01:23:48.060 --> 01:23:49.020
she must have...

1977
01:23:49.020 --> 01:23:50.100
Romana has taken that.

1978
01:23:50.159 --> 01:23:51.300
Oh, contraption after all.

1979
01:23:51.359 --> 01:23:52.380
Yes, she must have felt guilty.

1980
01:23:52.500 --> 01:23:55.920
And I didn't mention this earlier, but when Amelia repairs it, the

1981
01:23:55.920 --> 01:23:58.680
tube, the projector tube is a different colour.

1982
01:23:58.739 --> 01:24:00.539
It has changed colour.

1983
01:24:00.600 --> 01:24:03.060
It was pink and now it's got some yellow in it.

1984
01:24:03.119 --> 01:24:06.899
I don't know if we'll get another good shot of it, but it's

1985
01:24:06.899 --> 01:24:10.319
showing that there's that progression and that attention to

1986
01:24:10.319 --> 01:24:10.680
detail.

1987
01:24:13.739 --> 01:24:15.239
Oh, look, the vertical holds gone.

1988
01:24:15.300 --> 01:24:16.800
Mind.

1989
01:24:16.859 --> 01:24:18.600
Oh, it's gone black and white, actually.

1990
01:24:19.439 --> 01:24:22.680
It does look like a black and white shot, doesn't it?

1991
01:24:22.739 --> 01:24:24.779
Just a little bit of colour there.

1992
01:24:24.840 --> 01:24:26.399
It's um, what's that?

1993
01:24:27.180 --> 01:24:27.960
Schindler's list.

1994
01:24:29.520 --> 01:24:33.119
I never thought we had to compare...

1995
01:24:33.119 --> 01:24:34.859
Schindler's leg.

1996
01:24:34.920 --> 01:24:38.520
I just love that how she says I did not and it gives like a .6

1997
01:24:38.520 --> 01:24:39.060
reading.

1998
01:24:39.119 --> 01:24:41.399
Like, I mean, within the legal definition.

1999
01:24:42.060 --> 01:24:43.319
She wasn't there, she didn't do it.

2000
01:24:43.380 --> 01:24:45.359
Like, it should be a one. 0 if it's out of one.

2001
01:24:45.479 --> 01:24:46.680
Like, it's so funny.

2002
01:24:46.800 --> 01:24:50.819
Or is it is it hearing that she's actually being deceitful in some

2003
01:24:50.819 --> 01:24:51.060
way?

2004
01:24:51.420 --> 01:24:56.760
You know, yeah, there's something very Douglas Adamsey about the

2005
01:24:56.760 --> 01:25:00.300
Megara and that sort of stuff, having a legal definition of truth

2006
01:25:00.300 --> 01:25:03.960
which is like a number and that the truth can be quantified as a

2007
01:25:03.960 --> 01:25:07.619
number between 0 and one, all of that stuff, even the stuff about

2008
01:25:07.619 --> 01:25:12.119
blowing up an entire galaxy in contempt of court, all of that is

2009
01:25:12.119 --> 01:25:13.979
very Douglas Adams.

2010
01:25:17.699 --> 01:25:19.560
I don't give up.

2011
01:25:19.619 --> 01:25:21.539
So your simplication.

2012
01:25:21.899 --> 01:25:25.680
It's implication that there are people in...

2013
01:25:25.680 --> 01:25:27.000
Did I miss that?

2014
01:25:27.060 --> 01:25:31.500
The people like the aliens in the dead aliens in the cells.

2015
01:25:31.560 --> 01:25:34.380
Are they actually had jury?

2016
01:25:34.439 --> 01:25:38.100
They are either prisoners or guards.

2017
01:25:38.159 --> 01:25:39.600
Okay, prisoners.

2018
01:25:39.659 --> 01:25:41.699
Yeah, I want them to be prisoners, I think.

2019
01:25:41.760 --> 01:25:43.260
Okay, so we're going to be a guard?

2020
01:25:43.380 --> 01:25:45.899
Yeah, don't be racist, Don.

2021
01:25:45.960 --> 01:25:48.180
We're in a make a good guard.

2022
01:25:48.239 --> 01:25:50.760
Yeah, yeah, do what I say or I'll improve.

2023
01:25:51.359 --> 01:25:53.460
Or I lay my pupa in you.

2024
01:25:53.520 --> 01:25:54.180
Yeah, that's right.

2025
01:25:54.239 --> 01:25:57.300
Maybe they can communicate with them, McGaragang, beep, beep, beep

2026
01:25:57.300 --> 01:25:57.659
and going.

2027
01:25:57.720 --> 01:26:00.119
Oh, well, remember the word...

2028
01:26:00.180 --> 01:26:03.119
Leave the arc.

2029
01:26:03.119 --> 01:26:04.260
They could speak.

2030
01:26:05.699 --> 01:26:09.060
Best performance, Kevin, more distance.

2031
01:26:12.119 --> 01:26:17.039
Apparently, those like little beepy noises they made.

2032
01:26:17.100 --> 01:26:19.680
What they're actually saying is, I'm Joe Cross.

2033
01:26:19.739 --> 01:26:21.420
I'm talking to my friend David McAllister.

2034
01:26:21.479 --> 01:26:22.439
And then that's just sped up.

2035
01:26:22.500 --> 01:26:26.399
Yeah, and they are just saying, bliss balls, bap, bap, bap, bap.

2036
01:26:27.000 --> 01:26:28.619
Oh dear.

2037
01:26:29.159 --> 01:26:31.979
I love this canine searching the crockery.

2038
01:26:32.039 --> 01:26:32.399
How?

2039
01:26:32.399 --> 01:26:35.279
He's probing the crockery.

2040
01:26:35.340 --> 01:26:40.979
I want a spinoff series with Beatrix Lemon as Romana's companion

2041
01:26:40.979 --> 01:26:42.720
and K9 as their sidekick.

2042
01:26:42.779 --> 01:26:46.680
But they need to investigate all these sort of druidic circles in

2043
01:26:46.680 --> 01:26:48.899
in the UK.

2044
01:26:48.899 --> 01:26:50.159
With lots of doors.

2045
01:26:50.159 --> 01:26:55.800
With a slight whiff of satific frontage.

2046
01:26:55.859 --> 01:26:59.579
I think this is actually really cleverness, whole citric, sometimes

2047
01:26:59.579 --> 01:27:00.539
of meat and all sort of thing.

2048
01:27:00.600 --> 01:27:02.159
I just don't like her blood.

2049
01:27:02.220 --> 01:27:03.420
Like, yeah, yeah.

2050
01:27:03.539 --> 01:27:05.699
Like yours, Nathan.

2051
01:27:05.819 --> 01:27:06.659
Yeah, that's right.

2052
01:27:09.420 --> 01:27:12.600
Well, Todd, well, Todd, you may get an opportunity to play the

2053
01:27:12.600 --> 01:27:15.899
door game, of course, because Ford of Doomsday was in our Peter

2054
01:27:15.899 --> 01:27:18.779
Davidson poll, which is now closed, will be announcing the winner

2055
01:27:18.779 --> 01:27:21.359
at the end of this... at the end of this episode.

2056
01:27:21.359 --> 01:27:24.600
You know what you've got to do.

2057
01:27:24.659 --> 01:27:26.279
Infinity.

2058
01:27:26.340 --> 01:27:28.079
No, it's too late by now.

2059
01:27:28.140 --> 01:27:29.939
They've already heard this. everyone's vote.

2060
01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:31.920
Todd, you'll have to tweet it.

2061
01:27:31.979 --> 01:27:34.979
Yeah, go back in time. using Hermione Granger's thing and make

2062
01:27:34.979 --> 01:27:36.119
sure that everyone does.

2063
01:27:37.560 --> 01:27:40.380
I'll just have to organise some sort of...

2064
01:27:40.380 --> 01:27:42.420
If we have to do our infinity, I think I'm going to have a family

2065
01:27:42.420 --> 01:27:43.079
event.

2066
01:27:43.140 --> 01:27:46.560
Speaking of Harmani Granger, I've just finished playing Lego Harry

2067
01:27:46.560 --> 01:27:47.039
Potter.

2068
01:27:47.159 --> 01:27:48.539
Good.

2069
01:27:48.539 --> 01:27:51.119
I really enjoy Lego games. so much fun.

2070
01:27:51.180 --> 01:27:54.840
We should have Lego stones of blood. would be fantastic.

2071
01:27:54.899 --> 01:27:57.000
There is Lego Doctor Who, so, you know.

2072
01:27:57.840 --> 01:27:59.760
They're not happy.

2073
01:27:59.819 --> 01:28:05.460
I want I want the ogri to appear in Lego dimensions as a monster.

2074
01:28:06.060 --> 01:28:07.800
Oh dear.

2075
01:28:11.699 --> 01:28:13.920
Tom's having fun now.

2076
01:28:15.000 --> 01:28:23.399
Um, Susan Engel, and I believe we mentioned this at the time, but

2077
01:28:23.399 --> 01:28:26.100
was in the frame to replace Diana Rigg in the Avengers.

2078
01:28:26.220 --> 01:28:27.180
Okay.

2079
01:28:27.180 --> 01:28:29.760
Along with Wanda Ventham.

2080
01:28:29.819 --> 01:28:33.539
Both of them auditioned for the role that eventually became Tara

2081
01:28:33.539 --> 01:28:33.840
King.

2082
01:28:33.899 --> 01:28:35.640
Imagine if it had been WandaVenth.

2083
01:28:35.699 --> 01:28:36.180
Oh my god.

2084
01:28:36.239 --> 01:28:37.859
Um, yeah.

2085
01:28:37.920 --> 01:28:43.140
And the thing is, Wanda had, in a way, had a better chance because

2086
01:28:43.140 --> 01:28:46.140
they did decide they wanted a blonde.

2087
01:28:46.140 --> 01:28:49.319
And so they dyed Linda Fawson's hair when she got the part and it

2088
01:28:49.319 --> 01:28:49.979
fell out.

2089
01:28:50.039 --> 01:28:51.180
So that's a wig.

2090
01:28:51.239 --> 01:28:54.479
So for her 1st 7 episodes, she wears a variety of wigs and then

2091
01:28:54.479 --> 01:28:55.260
she wears her own hair.

2092
01:28:55.500 --> 01:29:00.300
I love the fact that they're so intense here. and they've

2093
01:29:00.300 --> 01:29:01.199
forgotten about the oak.

2094
01:29:01.260 --> 01:29:02.640
I'm actually going to get them.

2095
01:29:02.699 --> 01:29:06.720
But they're also working out the whole Ogross system thing, which

2096
01:29:06.720 --> 01:29:12.119
I think then cuts back to his questioning of, um, well, here now.

2097
01:29:12.960 --> 01:29:15.779
Finding out the same, similar information.

2098
01:29:15.840 --> 01:29:17.460
Yeah.

2099
01:29:17.460 --> 01:29:21.479
Do you know, it's funny when we saw that door in shot a little bit

2100
01:29:21.479 --> 01:29:24.119
earlier, I thought, oh, that's that glass that they make out of

2101
01:29:24.119 --> 01:29:28.680
like toffee. yeah. and there it was smashing.

2102
01:29:28.739 --> 01:29:34.979
I always expect her to be revealed to be the, the, um, she killed

2103
01:29:34.979 --> 01:29:39.060
the child bride of, um, uh, you know that doctor episode.

2104
01:29:39.119 --> 01:29:41.039
Martha's supposed to episode with that bloodsucking vampire

2105
01:29:41.039 --> 01:29:41.460
woman.

2106
01:29:41.520 --> 01:29:45.239
Oh, oh, you expect her to be, um, um, Anne Reid?

2107
01:29:45.300 --> 01:29:49.619
No, no, no, but what Anne Reed, did she, she, she murdered the, the

2108
01:29:49.619 --> 01:29:52.500
the, the child, princess of whatever, you know, wasn't she tasty?

2109
01:29:52.560 --> 01:29:56.760
I always I always think that she did something simple.

2110
01:29:57.119 --> 01:30:04.140
Yeah, no, she has that same sort of dismissive kind of She's kind

2111
01:30:04.140 --> 01:30:06.239
of effortlessly just wicked, isn't she?

2112
01:30:06.300 --> 01:30:10.439
Gosh, that's a that's a great episode, isn't it, Smith and Jones?

2113
01:30:10.500 --> 01:30:11.159
really love it.

2114
01:30:14.220 --> 01:30:17.220
All those Michelin star sources.

2115
01:30:17.939 --> 01:30:19.680
She's so good.

2116
01:30:19.739 --> 01:30:22.199
And we've got her coming up in a couple of months.

2117
01:30:22.260 --> 01:30:22.739
We do.

2118
01:30:23.399 --> 01:30:23.880
Yeah, yeah.

2119
01:30:23.939 --> 01:30:25.619
She's in um, Gosa Fenrich.

2120
01:30:28.680 --> 01:30:32.100
Are you going to do the special edition of cursive film?

2121
01:30:32.159 --> 01:30:33.119
haven't decided yet.

2122
01:30:33.180 --> 01:30:34.560
Well, we're not commentary.

2123
01:30:34.619 --> 01:30:36.779
Well, we may do.

2124
01:30:36.840 --> 01:30:39.600
If we do, we'll put up a quick poll.

2125
01:30:39.659 --> 01:30:43.199
The thing is, you could do all the special editions as options

2126
01:30:43.199 --> 01:30:44.460
because they're actually quite good.

2127
01:30:44.520 --> 01:30:47.520
I like, unlike the Pete special editions.

2128
01:30:47.880 --> 01:30:52.800
Um, Battlefield, Curse of Fenrick.

2129
01:30:52.859 --> 01:30:54.720
That's at least one other one, isn't there?

2130
01:30:54.840 --> 01:30:56.039
Is there Battlefield?

2131
01:30:56.100 --> 01:30:57.600
Yeah, there is, yeah.

2132
01:30:57.659 --> 01:31:02.760
It's got that stuff with the um, the spiral staircase and the, the

2133
01:31:02.760 --> 01:31:04.739
terrible, like, Christmas lights wrapped around it.

2134
01:31:04.800 --> 01:31:06.000
Look how long his hair is.

2135
01:31:06.060 --> 01:31:07.800
It's sticking up.

2136
01:31:07.859 --> 01:31:10.560
There's a special edition of Paradise Towers.

2137
01:31:10.619 --> 01:31:13.199
You know, the doctor walks out and goes, hello, and then it cuts

2138
01:31:13.199 --> 01:31:14.880
to the doctor coming back in with Mel going, hello.

2139
01:31:16.199 --> 01:31:17.699
Goodbye.

2140
01:31:17.699 --> 01:31:19.560
Not a fan. not a fan Todd.

2141
01:31:19.619 --> 01:31:20.520
I'm not a fan?

2142
01:31:20.579 --> 01:31:21.659
No, what story this season?

2143
01:31:21.720 --> 01:31:24.119
I love what I tell her.

2144
01:31:24.180 --> 01:31:25.800
I love that effect.

2145
01:31:26.279 --> 01:31:30.119
Yeah, but when they stand, you know, with the arms, like, like

2146
01:31:30.119 --> 01:31:31.020
statues.

2147
01:31:31.079 --> 01:31:35.579
Yeah, didn't they do that effect in Dragonfire?

2148
01:31:35.640 --> 01:31:40.199
Well, no, I was going to say, Monks in a Pyramid. was it called?

2149
01:31:40.260 --> 01:31:40.800
Oh, yes.

2150
01:31:40.859 --> 01:31:42.000
Life of the Land.

2151
01:31:42.060 --> 01:31:43.859
Pyramid at the end of the world.

2152
01:31:43.979 --> 01:31:47.699
No, no, the next one where they like, they've got the, like, they

2153
01:31:47.699 --> 01:31:50.880
stop the bullets with their little sort of lattice work.

2154
01:31:50.939 --> 01:31:53.939
So with your face mats, just repainted.

2155
01:31:54.060 --> 01:31:55.979
Her brain might be damaged.

2156
01:31:57.239 --> 01:32:00.180
This is not Vivian Fay.

2157
01:32:03.060 --> 01:32:04.859
That's brilliant.

2158
01:32:04.920 --> 01:32:05.460
It's James.

2159
01:32:05.880 --> 01:32:07.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah. dog has just been terribly clever.

2160
01:32:07.800 --> 01:32:09.420
A great seal of...

2161
01:32:09.479 --> 01:32:10.079
And you know what?

2162
01:32:10.140 --> 01:32:13.800
That painted floor almost works as a great.

2163
01:32:13.859 --> 01:32:17.880
You know, I've only just really looked at it and noticed it's not

2164
01:32:17.880 --> 01:32:19.380
actually a cut through grate.

2165
01:32:19.439 --> 01:32:20.279
It is just painted on.

2166
01:32:20.340 --> 01:32:21.420
Are you kidding me?

2167
01:32:21.420 --> 01:32:21.960
It's not a great.

2168
01:32:22.020 --> 01:32:24.479
They've just laid...

2169
01:32:24.600 --> 01:32:27.720
Yeah, no, so did I. They've laid great over it and sprayed

2170
01:32:27.720 --> 01:32:28.199
painted.

2171
01:32:28.260 --> 01:32:30.899
Yeah, yeah, in sections. that's clever.

2172
01:32:31.020 --> 01:32:31.439
Yeah.

2173
01:32:31.500 --> 01:32:33.899
Because they've got the studio floor. underneath it.

2174
01:32:33.899 --> 01:32:34.680
Yeah.

2175
01:32:34.739 --> 01:32:37.979
I, yeah, I literally only just noticed because I thought I was

2176
01:32:37.979 --> 01:32:39.300
looking at the VFA.

2177
01:32:39.300 --> 01:32:40.199
I thought it was previously.

2178
01:32:40.260 --> 01:32:42.479
They're too good Foley on it as well, don't they?

2179
01:32:42.539 --> 01:32:44.159
Yeah, they do metal footsteps.

2180
01:32:44.220 --> 01:32:47.279
I thought it was like, you know how I mentioned at the time they

2181
01:32:47.279 --> 01:32:49.680
kept using that scaffolding, like all those different stories.

2182
01:32:49.739 --> 01:32:52.380
I just thought it was like some of that scaffolding down. over the

2183
01:32:52.380 --> 01:32:52.619
floor.

2184
01:32:52.680 --> 01:32:57.420
It's a bit like on Red Dwarf, they'll end up using corridors from

2185
01:32:57.420 --> 01:33:01.319
alien and aliens as walls and floors, which is incredibly

2186
01:33:01.319 --> 01:33:03.840
effective from series 3 onwards.

2187
01:33:03.899 --> 01:33:08.399
And there's a little kind of brace under the chair. next to Cesera

2188
01:33:08.399 --> 01:33:11.819
Diplos, which is just kind of a design feature that you might

2189
01:33:11.819 --> 01:33:14.880
expect to see if that chair is in some way modular or it can be

2190
01:33:14.880 --> 01:33:15.180
removed.

2191
01:33:15.239 --> 01:33:18.720
Or it's like a... an entry port.

2192
01:33:18.779 --> 01:33:20.159
Yeah, the under floor area.

2193
01:33:21.119 --> 01:33:24.359
My favourite thing about this is, you know, there's all these

2194
01:33:24.359 --> 01:33:28.079
penalties that are 1000s of years and she's sentenced to serve

2195
01:33:28.079 --> 01:33:29.399
them consecutively, I think.

2196
01:33:29.460 --> 01:33:31.439
Yeah, that's actually imprisonment.

2197
01:33:31.500 --> 01:33:33.300
Yes. consecutively.

2198
01:33:33.359 --> 01:33:34.260
And look at her face.

2199
01:33:34.319 --> 01:33:34.800
Look at this.

2200
01:33:37.319 --> 01:33:39.239
Fabulous work.

2201
01:33:39.420 --> 01:33:44.520
So I suppose she does a 1500 year sentence 1st and then another

2202
01:33:44.520 --> 01:33:44.819
one.

2203
01:33:44.880 --> 01:33:46.979
Yeah, and then the indefinite.

2204
01:33:47.100 --> 01:33:51.960
What I love about this is the fact that, um, They've obviously

2205
01:33:51.960 --> 01:33:53.640
cast the stone, right?

2206
01:33:53.699 --> 01:33:56.760
And so she's then got an act to make it look like she's actually

2207
01:33:56.760 --> 01:33:58.199
in the shape of the stone.

2208
01:33:59.159 --> 01:34:01.380
Oh, I like her hat.

2209
01:34:01.439 --> 01:34:06.000
And I do, I also like how the key to time part of it is just

2210
01:34:06.000 --> 01:34:06.539
throwaway.

2211
01:34:06.600 --> 01:34:07.260
It's just...

2212
01:34:07.260 --> 01:34:09.720
We almost found this thing.

2213
01:34:09.779 --> 01:34:10.920
We forgot about a...

2214
01:34:11.039 --> 01:34:13.979
I understand there and do this and there we go.

2215
01:34:14.699 --> 01:34:19.319
It is it's remarkably effective though, you know, you are working

2216
01:34:19.319 --> 01:34:20.039
backwards from it.

2217
01:34:20.100 --> 01:34:22.859
But yeah, yeah, the whole key to time thing.

2218
01:34:22.920 --> 01:34:25.680
They have been talking about how it's here but it's not here and

2219
01:34:25.680 --> 01:34:26.699
it's here, but it's not here.

2220
01:34:26.760 --> 01:34:30.420
So, you know, it then ties in with the hyperspace idea that

2221
01:34:30.420 --> 01:34:33.659
hyperspace, you're occupying the same point, but not the same

2222
01:34:33.659 --> 01:34:34.079
dimension.

2223
01:34:34.140 --> 01:34:36.960
Yeah, and it's kind of like you forget that they're even looking

2224
01:34:36.960 --> 01:34:39.960
for it and then he grabs it and you're like, ah, aha.

2225
01:34:40.500 --> 01:34:43.680
And he lets the doctor be clever, doesn't he?

2226
01:34:43.739 --> 01:34:50.100
Yeah, yeah. and uses it to send the Magara back because he fixed

2227
01:34:50.100 --> 01:34:50.579
their ship.

2228
01:34:50.640 --> 01:34:52.979
But I mean, that's, I mean, to their ship, is that why?

2229
01:34:53.039 --> 01:34:56.340
Like, is that why or was it something to do with the property of

2230
01:34:56.340 --> 01:34:58.020
the?

2231
01:34:58.380 --> 01:35:00.239
Yeah, I always thought it was to do with the property at the

2232
01:35:00.239 --> 01:35:05.279
segment because they do mention that it has the power to change

2233
01:35:05.279 --> 01:35:09.899
objects or at least their appearance. or fix high up loose ends of

2234
01:35:09.899 --> 01:35:10.319
the plot.

2235
01:35:10.380 --> 01:35:13.199
I love the fact that she has to survey everything all over again.

2236
01:35:13.439 --> 01:35:18.060
Oh, gee, that looks a bit wrong, doesn't it?

2237
01:35:18.119 --> 01:35:19.319
There's a nipple there.

2238
01:35:19.380 --> 01:35:21.239
Left nipple, clearly visible in that.

2239
01:35:25.199 --> 01:35:27.420
She's not wearing a bar.

2240
01:35:27.960 --> 01:35:29.760
You know what, though?

2241
01:35:29.760 --> 01:35:34.800
I do wonder if that is a feminist statement, like a deliberate...

2242
01:35:34.859 --> 01:35:38.159
I think there are, there are, there are mentions, like, there are

2243
01:35:38.159 --> 01:35:40.920
interviews with Tom where he says, and she refused to abroad.

2244
01:35:40.979 --> 01:35:43.739
He actually, she was, she was a wonderful woman.

2245
01:35:43.800 --> 01:35:45.060
Refused to write, right?

2246
01:35:45.119 --> 01:35:45.479
Yeah.

2247
01:35:45.539 --> 01:35:47.880
And, you know, I that's probably why he liked her so much.

2248
01:35:50.939 --> 01:35:51.840
Ray.

2249
01:35:51.899 --> 01:35:53.699
Oh, isn't this lovely?

2250
01:35:53.760 --> 01:35:56.220
Oh, great line and...

2251
01:35:56.220 --> 01:35:58.680
Lovely delivery.

2252
01:35:58.739 --> 01:36:00.899
Oh, that's wonderful.

2253
01:36:01.020 --> 01:36:01.800
Bless you.

2254
01:36:02.039 --> 01:36:06.000
But no, I do I do think if, you know, if she saw that as an

2255
01:36:06.000 --> 01:36:07.739
important part of her character.

2256
01:36:07.800 --> 01:36:08.279
And you know what?

2257
01:36:08.399 --> 01:36:11.640
You can believe that because she is this female academic who has

2258
01:36:11.640 --> 01:36:14.819
obviously had to fight hard to be taken seriously by sexist men.

2259
01:36:14.819 --> 01:36:20.159
So, you know, the idea of quote unquote, I'm simplifying the bra

2260
01:36:20.159 --> 01:36:20.939
burning feminist.

2261
01:36:21.359 --> 01:36:25.020
Did she put them back into that refrigerator?

2262
01:36:25.079 --> 01:36:27.300
Yeah, they're in a limbo cupboard in limbo.

2263
01:36:27.359 --> 01:36:29.460
The limbo area.

2264
01:36:30.060 --> 01:36:30.899
It's wonderful, isn't it?

2265
01:36:30.960 --> 01:36:33.659
Because again, he can't do the thing because he's more...

2266
01:36:33.720 --> 01:36:34.680
Look at it, look at it.

2267
01:36:34.739 --> 01:36:35.340
Look at her.

2268
01:36:36.420 --> 01:36:38.039
Oh, my God.

2269
01:36:38.100 --> 01:36:39.659
We get a subtitle where hesitating.

2270
01:36:42.479 --> 01:36:44.819
The final shot should have been.

2271
01:36:44.939 --> 01:36:47.520
Yeah, I agree.

2272
01:36:47.579 --> 01:36:49.079
Yeah, it would have been wonderful.

2273
01:36:49.199 --> 01:36:50.220
Oh, thank you, Mary.

2274
01:36:50.279 --> 01:36:51.239
Thank you. you, Mary.

2275
01:36:51.300 --> 01:36:52.020
We miss you, Mary.

2276
01:36:52.079 --> 01:36:52.979
Beatrix.

2277
01:36:53.039 --> 01:36:53.340
Lovely.

2278
01:36:53.760 --> 01:36:56.699
Well that was fantastic. was fantastic.

2279
01:36:56.760 --> 01:36:58.199
Susan Engle is still with us?

2280
01:36:58.260 --> 01:36:59.640
Yes. and still acting?

2281
01:36:59.699 --> 01:37:01.020
She's a silver fox.

2282
01:37:01.140 --> 01:37:03.720
Gerald Cross, David McAllister, right?

2283
01:37:03.779 --> 01:37:04.319
There you go.

2284
01:37:04.380 --> 01:37:08.279
She used the 3rd segment to turn herself into a silver fox.

2285
01:37:09.359 --> 01:37:13.380
So yeah, that brings us to the end of Stone to Blood.

2286
01:37:13.439 --> 01:37:18.060
And I am pleased to announce that at the end of season 25, we hope

2287
01:37:18.060 --> 01:37:21.840
commitments pending, we will be releasing our commentary on...

2288
01:37:21.840 --> 01:37:23.399
Enlightenment.

2289
01:37:23.520 --> 01:37:28.020
But next week we will be back with remembrance of the Daleks as

2290
01:37:28.020 --> 01:37:32.220
well as our nominations for our Colin Baker commentaries.

2291
01:37:32.279 --> 01:37:33.000
So do come back for that.

2292
01:37:33.060 --> 01:37:36.779
In the meantime, you can find us online at Flightthrough Entirety

2293
01:37:35.699 --> 01:37:39.659
sexy, Flight Through Entirety on Facebook and Apple Podcasts and

2294
01:37:39.659 --> 01:37:41.579
at FTE podcast on Twitter.

2295
01:37:41.640 --> 01:37:43.500
Over on Bondfinger.

2296
01:37:43.739 --> 01:37:48.119
We are nearing the end of the Pierce Brosnan era of James Bond.

2297
01:37:48.180 --> 01:37:51.180
You can find that at Bondfinger.com, Bondfinger on Facebook and

2298
01:37:51.180 --> 01:37:53.760
Apple Podcasts and at Bondfingercast on Twitter.

2299
01:37:53.819 --> 01:37:57.600
Until next time, may none of the stones around your tent suck your

2300
01:37:57.600 --> 01:37:57.899
blood.

2301
01:37:58.020 --> 01:37:59.520
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

2302
01:37:59.579 --> 01:37:59.939
Good night.

2303
01:38:00.000 --> 01:38:00.779
See you soon.

2304
01:38:00.840 --> 01:38:01.920
Ta-ta.

2305
01:38:02.039 --> 01:38:03.539
Oh, James.

2306
01:38:03.779 --> 01:38:06.060
I was waiting for that to come in.