WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 13:55:21 1 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:58.740 Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast who knows the secret of the old times. 2 00:00:58.799 --> 00:01:01.920 So it's salt, pepper, paprika tarragon. 3 00:01:01.979 --> 00:01:03.840 Oh, wait, I'm reading the wrong thing. 4 00:01:03.899 --> 00:01:04.500 I'm Brendan. 5 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:09.659 I'm Nathan And I'm Frankie Howard for this one because if you say it in his voice, it's no missus. 6 00:01:11.939 --> 00:01:17.040 We've finally reached the 25th anniversary despite almost being cancelled twice. 7 00:01:17.099 --> 00:01:18.120 It Silvan Emezis. 8 00:01:33.180 --> 00:01:34.500 What's this about? 9 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:36.120 Good question. 10 00:01:36.180 --> 00:01:38.819 It's about yomping through the countryside. 11 00:01:38.879 --> 00:01:40.379 Some Nazis. 12 00:01:40.439 --> 00:01:43.500 Five go mad in Windsor, isn't it? 13 00:01:43.980 --> 00:01:46.980 So, right. 14 00:01:47.219 --> 00:01:50.700 So, yeah, 25th anniversary special. 15 00:01:50.760 --> 00:02:04.260 As we discussed last week, this was meant to go out last, but was moved 3rd because of scheduling issues, which does lead to two hilarious. continuity errors, which I didn't bloody notice until the discontinuity guide came out. 16 00:02:04.319 --> 00:02:07.859 But we'll discuss those more next week. should have been Cliff Richard. 17 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:10.860 Anton differing was so overcast in this one. 18 00:02:10.979 --> 00:02:12.599 Well, you know who was the 1st choice? 19 00:02:12.659 --> 00:02:14.039 Charles Gray. 20 00:02:14.099 --> 00:02:14.939 Charles Gray. 21 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:15.840 Betty to his mate. 22 00:02:15.900 --> 00:02:19.319 Who kind of said, oh, you know, can it be a bit of a bigger part? 23 00:02:19.379 --> 00:02:23.819 But it turned, it turned out, I believe, he just wasn't available, but also they... 24 00:02:23.819 --> 00:02:26.639 He actually had a job because, you know, he was a working actor, yeah. 25 00:02:26.699 --> 00:02:29.699 But they also assured him he would not have to speak with a job. 26 00:02:29.759 --> 00:02:30.659 Yeah, you wouldn't have to do the accent. 27 00:02:30.659 --> 00:02:32.699 Because you know, they're not actually meant to be Nazis. 28 00:02:32.699 --> 00:02:39.240 Because RTL had bought the series from the crunch of RTL was actually Luxembourgian. 29 00:02:39.300 --> 00:02:41.520 You know what those Borges got up to. 30 00:02:41.639 --> 00:02:47.039 But they broadcast directly into Germany, and the Prussianwegians. 31 00:02:47.099 --> 00:02:51.120 And so, of course, you know, we didn't mention... 32 00:02:51.180 --> 00:02:52.919 No, we just didn't. 33 00:02:52.979 --> 00:02:53.879 It wasn't something done. 34 00:02:53.939 --> 00:02:57.780 But then, of course, lovely director Chris Clough thought, let's snash swastickers. 35 00:02:57.840 --> 00:02:58.199 Sticker. 36 00:02:58.259 --> 00:02:59.460 Come on, where's your banners? 37 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:01.439 It's not livelier. 38 00:03:01.500 --> 00:03:04.139 Come on, your home's not home without them. 39 00:03:05.340 --> 00:03:07.800 Mrs. Smith everywhere, didn't he? 40 00:03:07.860 --> 00:03:09.300 When a bit Mrs. Bid made and stuff. 41 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:11.280 No, coloured up all over the walls. 42 00:03:11.340 --> 00:03:12.539 Yeah, yeah. 43 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:14.099 Actually, they're not meant to be. 44 00:03:14.159 --> 00:03:17.280 The script is really careful. to just make them fascists. 45 00:03:17.400 --> 00:03:18.599 Yeah, well, that... 46 00:03:18.599 --> 00:03:20.699 And they cast Anton Diffwing with that accent. 47 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:24.000 Well, they were so damn sick. 48 00:03:24.060 --> 00:03:26.099 This is the last thing he ever did all his whole career. 49 00:03:26.159 --> 00:03:35.580 And being an anti-Nazi and getting out because he was queer, of course, so he had to get out of the Germany and, you know, 33, 34, I think it got out, but Nazis the whole rest of it. 50 00:03:35.639 --> 00:03:36.479 He said, oh, God. 51 00:03:36.539 --> 00:03:38.580 He said, I don't understand and it's terrible. 52 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:40.500 I'm only here for the tennis. 53 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:41.520 Yeah exactly. 54 00:03:41.580 --> 00:03:44.340 Like, he didn't understand the script. 55 00:03:44.400 --> 00:03:45.599 He was just there for Wimbledon. 56 00:03:45.659 --> 00:03:50.039 He hated playing another Nazi because he whinged and moaned. 57 00:03:50.099 --> 00:03:51.900 The whole time on set. 58 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:56.819 So Kevin Clark and Andrew Cartmel had worked very hard on the script. 59 00:03:56.879 --> 00:04:01.199 Kevin Clark had seen 2 episodes of Doctor Who before this and wasn't terribly impressed by either of them. 60 00:04:01.259 --> 00:04:02.099 I don't know what they were. 61 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:05.879 No, they were the underwater menace part five. 62 00:04:06.060 --> 00:04:07.979 Now sadly lost. 63 00:04:08.039 --> 00:04:09.900 Joe Walton's diaries. 64 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:10.259 Yes. 65 00:04:10.259 --> 00:04:12.719 And the Space really helps. 66 00:04:12.780 --> 00:04:14.639 Yeah, I think it really helps that he hadn't seen them. 67 00:04:14.699 --> 00:04:18.779 This is as far away from the Pip and Jane Niverse as it's possible to be, isn't it? 68 00:04:18.839 --> 00:04:20.699 and still be Pippin Janey. 69 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:22.439 It is still a bit, Pip and Jane. 70 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:23.879 Very different, Jane. 71 00:04:23.939 --> 00:04:33.839 They're the ones who came up with, hey, let's have Nazis in it, and it was sort of at the 5th stage of giraffe that John said, you do realise we're screening in Germany now, Andrew. 72 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:35.639 Maybe let's take them out. 73 00:04:35.699 --> 00:04:39.300 So every reference in the script was changed to paramilitaries. 74 00:04:39.779 --> 00:04:41.459 You know they're carrying Utsis, don't you? 75 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:45.779 Which are Israeli military handguns and rifles. 76 00:04:45.839 --> 00:04:52.500 Yeah, I think they're very generous on what they declare to be okay now, these neo-coff. 77 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:54.180 Look, I'm gonna... 78 00:04:54.240 --> 00:04:55.199 How beautiful did this look? 79 00:04:55.259 --> 00:04:56.699 We turned this on at the time. 80 00:04:56.759 --> 00:04:57.300 My goodness. 81 00:04:57.360 --> 00:04:59.459 Doctor Who looks as good as everything else on TV. 82 00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:03.480 It's inexplicable, I think, that it took them so long to get out of the studio. 83 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:09.120 And part of the problem with the Colin Baker era is it's so studio bound and so many space corridors. 84 00:05:09.180 --> 00:05:11.160 And here we're actually in Windsor. 85 00:05:11.220 --> 00:05:16.079 We're inside buildings, which has almost never happened on location. 86 00:05:16.139 --> 00:05:17.639 We had nice houses in sunshine. 87 00:05:17.699 --> 00:05:19.199 I believe it was South America. 88 00:05:19.259 --> 00:05:22.740 Yeah, well, inside that building, which has been dressed up. 89 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:26.699 You're inside the, you know, the cafe in Windsor. 90 00:05:26.759 --> 00:05:28.620 It looks just terrific. 91 00:05:28.740 --> 00:05:30.300 I really like it. 92 00:05:30.360 --> 00:05:31.860 There's something really fresh and light about it. 93 00:05:31.920 --> 00:05:34.439 It is actually a bit of a mess. 94 00:05:34.500 --> 00:05:36.480 You know, it doesn't really work. 95 00:05:36.779 --> 00:05:38.759 There's a lot of running around. 96 00:05:38.819 --> 00:05:44.160 Yeah, for me, the big problem is actually the Nazi slash paramilitaries. 97 00:05:44.220 --> 00:05:47.939 You can take them out and it really doesn't affect the story that much. 98 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:49.259 And 2 weeks. 99 00:05:49.439 --> 00:05:50.759 Don't lose the skinheads, though. 100 00:05:50.819 --> 00:05:52.139 Oh, no, God, no. 101 00:05:52.199 --> 00:06:05.639 Two weeks ago, when we were talking about remembrance of Daleks, Ben Aronovich had been trying to get into TV writing for 5 years and he was desperate to impress on Doctor Who, as you alluded Richard, he did pitch the story which eventually became Battlefield. 102 00:06:05.699 --> 00:06:07.980 It's called Nightfall or something originally? 103 00:06:08.040 --> 00:06:12.000 Nightfall was his 1st pitch, then Storm over Avalion. 104 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:16.379 Say that 3 times and it'll be a big Finnish. 105 00:06:16.500 --> 00:06:23.279 The reason they asked him to write remembrance of the Daleks is they were really impressed with his grasp of action sequences. 106 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:27.540 And so they said, hey, we want to do a Dalek story. 107 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:28.439 Why don't you do it? 108 00:06:28.500 --> 00:06:35.579 Now, the thing is, when he was writing it, you know, he took home Dalek tapes and he researched the Daleks because he's like, I want this to be proper. 109 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:41.939 So he thought of including fowls, and he thought of including Ogrons, but he decided, no, I'm going to keep it simple because my 1st one. 110 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:44.459 I'm not going to bore the tits off everyone. 111 00:06:44.519 --> 00:06:46.860 I wish someone had suggested this to Kevin Clark. 112 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:51.600 I wish someone at some point had said, Kevin, what are the Nazis actually doing? 113 00:06:51.720 --> 00:07:05.339 Because really their purpose just exists to get the bow into the story and even then the doctor goes to Windsor Castle to get the bow, he could pick up the bow there, they threaten Ace in episode one, but the cybermen show up. 114 00:07:05.339 --> 00:07:10.379 And this is another example of slightly poor communication on this story. 115 00:07:10.439 --> 00:07:16.680 Kevin Clark's script says that the cybermen appear and distract the paramilitaries. 116 00:07:16.740 --> 00:07:19.980 Chris Clough got that and went, oh, they appear. 117 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:22.079 They must appear in a spaceship. 118 00:07:22.139 --> 00:07:25.680 But what Kevin Clark actually meant was, no, they appear out of a portal making them. 119 00:07:25.740 --> 00:07:27.060 Yeah, appear out of Peter Miles. 120 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:30.360 That's the great sadness of this, that there is no nider in this. 121 00:07:30.420 --> 00:07:30.660 Thank you. 122 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:31.620 That's what I wanted. 123 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:32.399 Yes. 124 00:07:32.459 --> 00:07:40.860 Can you imagine if as a 25th anniversary, they'd brought back Katie as Lady Katie Miles. 125 00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:41.699 Who else would you have liked? 126 00:07:41.939 --> 00:07:47.579 Pat Trouton, just as the screaming rock, Philip Maddock in Fishnets. 127 00:07:47.639 --> 00:07:54.360 Again, I think it was Pat Trouton would have loved that because he constantly wanted to come back under a monster mask so nobody knew who he was. 128 00:07:54.420 --> 00:07:55.019 Tom. 129 00:07:55.019 --> 00:07:57.600 In fact, Tom as the screamer, really. 130 00:07:57.660 --> 00:08:00.480 We should probably name check just a correction. 131 00:08:00.540 --> 00:08:05.759 Ruth Maddock was never Philip Maddock's daughter, although she was the same age as his daughter at a previous marriage. 132 00:08:05.819 --> 00:08:07.620 She was his wife all the time. 133 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:08.759 I put that in the show notes. 134 00:08:08.819 --> 00:08:09.240 Did you? 135 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:11.399 throw that in because it's saucy. 136 00:08:11.459 --> 00:08:15.899 There should be laws against that kind of... yes. 137 00:08:16.019 --> 00:08:17.759 Says the Jones. 138 00:08:17.819 --> 00:08:25.439 So who else would we cast if we had a mythic go at being cartinal for this or JNT for this, considering it's a 25th anniversary? 139 00:08:25.500 --> 00:08:28.920 I mean, we've already nominated Brian Blessard as Lady Painful. 140 00:08:28.980 --> 00:08:29.639 Yes, that's right. 141 00:08:29.699 --> 00:08:31.920 I like Katie as as lady. 142 00:08:31.980 --> 00:08:33.600 Katie is Lady Punkfoot. works for me too. 143 00:08:33.659 --> 00:08:35.159 Carol Anne Ford as Richard. 144 00:08:35.220 --> 00:08:38.340 I thought you were going to say as the police car with a siren. 145 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:42.480 My uncle, my uncle, my ankle. 146 00:08:42.539 --> 00:08:44.039 Caralan Ford Anglia. 147 00:08:47.340 --> 00:08:50.100 So it's going to be dad jokes. 148 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:51.539 It's a 25th anniversary. 149 00:08:51.600 --> 00:08:53.519 Come on. dad jokes and cherries. 150 00:08:53.580 --> 00:08:55.259 I love this show. 151 00:08:55.320 --> 00:08:57.059 Can we just say how much I love this story? 152 00:08:57.120 --> 00:08:58.379 Fiona Walker. 153 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:04.379 There's a reason that Nathan is sitting here with crossed legs because he can't contain himself because it's got Fiona Walker. 154 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:05.580 She's wonderful, isn't she? 155 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:07.019 And she's in Keys of Marin? 156 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:11.460 Well, really, in fact, I should have just used the entire cast of the Keys of Marriage. 157 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:13.440 Yeah, Altos. and repent. 158 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:15.000 Sabitha. 159 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:17.759 The other blokes. 160 00:09:17.759 --> 00:09:19.320 A lot of white people on Mariners, aren't there? 161 00:09:19.379 --> 00:09:20.159 There are a bitch. 162 00:09:20.220 --> 00:09:22.200 George Calu is sadly no longer with us. 163 00:09:22.200 --> 00:09:24.179 The resurrected skull of George Caluris. 164 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:26.340 In one of the Morpherton brain jars. 165 00:09:26.460 --> 00:09:27.659 Yes, see, that works. 166 00:09:27.779 --> 00:09:29.340 She's so good. 167 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:33.000 Why are people maligning this as being stupid in Athena because it is. 168 00:09:33.059 --> 00:09:34.919 But I mean, you know, there are so many illusions. 169 00:09:34.980 --> 00:09:35.759 Winter's Tale. 170 00:09:35.820 --> 00:09:36.480 Yes. 171 00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:38.279 Such thing. 172 00:09:38.340 --> 00:09:40.019 Such things only happen in the theatre. 173 00:09:40.080 --> 00:09:51.120 I think the problem is that the conception of the of the story is you have 3 groups of villains racing each other to get hold of them. the wacky races. 174 00:09:51.179 --> 00:09:51.899 Yeah, yeah. 175 00:09:51.960 --> 00:09:59.879 And so that's light, that's fun, that kind of works, but as you point out, Brendan, one of those groups of people is actually surplus to requirements. 176 00:09:59.940 --> 00:10:00.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 177 00:10:00.899 --> 00:10:02.039 And Nazis. 178 00:10:02.100 --> 00:10:15.240 And, you know, also, Nazis should not be funny unless they played as in the 1st season of 1970s Wonder Woman by Jewish members of Mel Brooks' own cast. right. 179 00:10:15.299 --> 00:10:21.659 I'm going to recommend to the listeners, go out and see Mel Brookson and Bancroft in to be or not to be. 180 00:10:21.720 --> 00:10:23.039 Oh, that's my pick of the week. 181 00:10:23.100 --> 00:10:26.159 Because that has nothing to do with this show at all. yes. 182 00:10:26.220 --> 00:10:27.240 And it's so good. 183 00:10:27.299 --> 00:10:31.919 It's incredibly funny and incredibly tragic and incredibly moving and all these amazing things. 184 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:40.500 And, you know, even though it is a Mel Brooks, it's not your spaceballs, Dracula dead and loving it, men in tights kind of humour. 185 00:10:40.559 --> 00:10:43.919 It is based on an earlier film, of course, but that's all I'll say about it. 186 00:10:43.980 --> 00:10:49.320 Um, you know, how do the Nazis find out about the bloody nemesis for God's sake? 187 00:10:49.379 --> 00:10:59.700 Painful knows about it because it's hers, in a way. because we haven't mentioned them because they're the silver reflective mirrors from the last story in the room, but how do the cyber folk know about? 188 00:10:59.820 --> 00:11:02.159 This must be the lady painful. 189 00:11:02.220 --> 00:11:03.299 They were in space. 190 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:04.500 They're space people. 191 00:11:04.559 --> 00:11:05.820 This makes people can find things out. 192 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:08.100 Well, they are terrible, aren't they? 193 00:11:08.159 --> 00:11:09.419 Is this their worst story? 194 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:10.620 No, they're the best. 195 00:11:10.679 --> 00:11:11.340 They're pretty. 196 00:11:11.460 --> 00:11:14.159 They're shiny and pretty and they put their hands on their hips. 197 00:11:14.220 --> 00:11:15.899 Gold. 198 00:11:15.899 --> 00:11:19.320 I mean, what the hell? 199 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:21.120 We're doing sure Shirley Bassey again. 200 00:11:21.179 --> 00:11:23.580 No, no, it's David Banks. 201 00:11:23.639 --> 00:11:30.840 He always has an incredibly posh sidekick who says things like promises to aliens have no Belida chair. 202 00:11:30.899 --> 00:11:32.039 You know, like... 203 00:11:32.039 --> 00:11:33.360 I must protest, Lita. 204 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:35.220 So bad. 205 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:35.940 Oh my god. 206 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:37.679 The gold thing. 207 00:11:37.740 --> 00:11:38.340 Okay. 208 00:11:38.580 --> 00:11:46.799 In revenge of the side men and in earth shock, you have to get right up next to the side men and sort of shove it down there. 209 00:11:48.419 --> 00:11:55.980 Here, literally, when a cyberman is 5 feet away from gold, he wets his pants. 210 00:11:56.100 --> 00:12:01.080 Well, I actually think it's really hilarious that they're a big camp in this and all, aren't they? 211 00:12:01.139 --> 00:12:01.500 terrible. 212 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:03.360 And this carry on cyber league. 213 00:12:03.419 --> 00:12:09.960 Yeah, so they can't approach that tomb thing while Lady Painfort's firing gold arrows out there. 214 00:12:10.019 --> 00:12:12.659 And so the Nazis say, well, we don't know. 215 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:14.639 We are immute to these things. 216 00:12:14.700 --> 00:12:16.200 Unless they put us in the fan. 217 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:18.000 Not the face, not the face. 218 00:12:18.059 --> 00:12:19.799 They're poison tipped arrows. 219 00:12:19.860 --> 00:12:22.679 Like, why not see something into that? 220 00:12:22.740 --> 00:12:30.840 And like, I think that they really missed a trick by not having the arrows dipped in nail polish removed. taking out the cyberman that way. 221 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:33.419 Because we all know that word. 222 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:36.000 Because, you know... 223 00:12:36.059 --> 00:12:44.519 After Leslie French makes a time calculation. taking into account the change in calendar 200 years after his own time. 224 00:12:44.580 --> 00:12:46.860 1753 Gregorian calendar. 225 00:12:47.159 --> 00:12:52.500 And also he predicts Newton and, you know, the planetal shift. 226 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:54.299 No, no, it's very good. 227 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:56.159 Well, this is why he should have been the 1st doctor. 228 00:12:56.220 --> 00:13:00.360 And we all know he's in this because he was the 1st casting choice. 229 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:03.720 And he wasn't available or he said, no, NAF off. 230 00:13:03.779 --> 00:13:04.379 Ive got a career. 231 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:07.559 And they said, Billy's sitting around doing nothing but moaning. 232 00:13:07.620 --> 00:13:08.940 So they put Billy Hart on him. 233 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:11.340 And I'm very glad they did... 234 00:13:11.399 --> 00:13:13.620 Yeah, he could have whipped up some nail polish remover easily. 235 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:15.299 It was Leslie franchise. 236 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:18.840 Richard, you were saying why is this considered a bad story? 237 00:13:18.899 --> 00:13:25.200 Now, recently on Facebook, there was a meme going around to give your favourite and least favourite story per doctor. 238 00:13:25.259 --> 00:13:26.759 It was really fun that. 239 00:13:26.820 --> 00:13:27.779 Yeah, very nice. 240 00:13:27.840 --> 00:13:33.179 And, you know, me having to spend 20 Facebook posts explaining to people why Black Orchid is horrible. 241 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:36.419 Even my own sister, my own sister betrayed me. 242 00:13:36.480 --> 00:13:37.980 Anyway, moving on. 243 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:39.000 She's not with us. 244 00:13:39.059 --> 00:13:40.679 I list this story. 245 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:44.159 She's in a fibreglass rock in orbit, right? 246 00:13:45.059 --> 00:13:47.879 Covered in front tax of your projections. 247 00:13:47.940 --> 00:13:48.960 And cupboard. 248 00:13:49.019 --> 00:13:50.700 How the hell did it get cobwebs up there? 249 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:52.019 Space spiders. 250 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:54.240 It's very Space 1999. 251 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:55.980 The spiders of Wrestleon. 252 00:13:56.039 --> 00:14:00.419 But I list this story as my least favourite. 253 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:01.980 Oh, you know you are, darling. 254 00:14:02.039 --> 00:14:04.919 But I still give this 6 out of 10. 255 00:14:05.100 --> 00:14:06.960 I think it's a bit harsh. 256 00:14:07.019 --> 00:14:08.820 Well, I love this. 257 00:14:08.879 --> 00:14:12.179 I think it is telling that what dollies of it, Tony Bird. 258 00:14:12.299 --> 00:14:16.440 I think this is the worst Sylvester McCoy story, but that doesn't mean that it's bad. 259 00:14:16.500 --> 00:14:18.360 You know, like I would... 260 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:20.820 No, I think you can look at season 24 and find an example. 261 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:22.740 Yeah, maybe Dragonfire actually. 262 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:24.779 Although, actually, it's my favourite of season 24. 263 00:14:25.139 --> 00:14:27.240 Well, you see, they're all good. they are all good. 264 00:14:27.299 --> 00:14:30.840 And so, you know, Silver Nemesis is a giant mess. 265 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:36.240 But the thing is, even the bits of silver nemesis, which are a giant mess, are somehow satisfying. 266 00:14:36.299 --> 00:14:39.419 So, you know, episode two and half of episode three. 267 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:52.019 The Dr. and Ace just spend it wandering around the countryside. but they spend it wandering around the countryside defeating the cybermen with jazz. which is sort of really. whistling weirdly and like listening to jazz and lying in fields. 268 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:58.200 Because it's because Clark was a fan, and so was Cartmull and Courtney Pine, the acid jazz movement, it was called. 269 00:14:58.620 --> 00:15:01.320 And he'd only been, he'd been in the charts for about 2 months. 270 00:15:01.379 --> 00:15:02.759 This was his new sound. 271 00:15:02.820 --> 00:15:09.659 That thing you're hearing, you think, oh, yeah, I hear that in a 100 soundtracks and they use it an version of it as a sampling for tennis matches now. 272 00:15:09.720 --> 00:15:11.159 That was Courtney Pinestown. 273 00:15:11.220 --> 00:15:18.059 Okay, it's Sonny Rowlands and it's John Coltrane and every great sex player that ever lived, but it was Courtney Pine's take. 274 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:24.059 And for a musician, this is a really exciting new thing, as much as all of this is an exciting new thing. 275 00:15:24.179 --> 00:15:25.860 I want the duck to stay in. 276 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:27.179 Why didn't we get that done? 277 00:15:27.299 --> 00:15:28.080 Okay. 278 00:15:28.139 --> 00:15:29.759 Nathan, do you know about the duck? 279 00:15:29.820 --> 00:15:40.919 So Noel Edmund's house party had this thing where he was going to, on his house party program, had a thing where did you spot the duck in this week's drama? 280 00:15:40.980 --> 00:15:47.700 And then he would get BBC dramas to film a special scene with a duck so he could show it on the show and say, no, really, that was in it. 281 00:15:47.759 --> 00:16:00.240 So they shot an alternative version of the 1st ghetto blaster scanner screen scene where Ace is calling out to the doctor, he's in the TARDIS and he says, duck, and because they've just been attacked, she ducks. 282 00:16:00.360 --> 00:16:01.919 I'm having a massive duck. 283 00:16:01.919 --> 00:16:05.159 Oh, doesn't it make it to the, there's a special edition? 284 00:16:05.220 --> 00:16:12.539 Do you remember there was a VHS release that had extra footage and I think the duck is in it and the games for a portrait is in it? 285 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:19.379 Yeah, and Silv actually wanted the duck scene to be in the final program because he made friends with the duck. 286 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:20.940 Yes, he did. 287 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:26.159 The duck was following silver around all day and cracking after him like, yeah, because he kept feeding it. 288 00:16:26.220 --> 00:16:27.179 So he thought it was his mother. 289 00:16:27.240 --> 00:16:28.259 It's lovely. 290 00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:31.980 Dr. Seuss wrote all the dialogue for the duck for that. 291 00:16:32.340 --> 00:16:33.659 When I was a teenager. 292 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:37.559 My brother had a duck as a pet for a few years and they are incredibly affectionate, lovely. 293 00:16:37.620 --> 00:16:39.840 Like it was a really, really cute duck. 294 00:16:39.899 --> 00:16:46.259 I can't repeat its name because we would need the explicit tank. 295 00:16:46.379 --> 00:16:51.960 So the Gainsborough portrait scene, on the VHS, there is the extended edition for the DVD. 296 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:59.820 They made it just deleted scenes and there are actually some deleted scenes missing because it was a, it was a very quick package. because they're gorgeous. 297 00:16:59.879 --> 00:17:01.799 It was a quick package, wasn't it, so to speak? 298 00:17:01.860 --> 00:17:10.799 I gather there's some kind of rights issues tied up, which was also tied up in the American making of special that was made for this as well, because that's only on the video. 299 00:17:10.859 --> 00:17:15.900 The Doco, and they kept following them around and annoying the buggery out of everyone. 300 00:17:16.019 --> 00:17:21.480 This was apparently, according to Sylv and Sophie, the hardest one to film of every single story they ever did. 301 00:17:21.539 --> 00:17:23.460 They said this was so tough. 302 00:17:23.579 --> 00:17:24.900 Time was against them. 303 00:17:24.960 --> 00:17:34.680 It wasn't the story that bankrupted the Hooniverse, and, you know, one of the reasons they say it was axed, was not actually Michael Grade's dissociation and indifference. 304 00:17:34.740 --> 00:17:36.539 It was because the happiness patrol. 305 00:17:36.599 --> 00:17:37.319 You wouldn't get it. 306 00:17:37.380 --> 00:17:41.880 We didn't mention it last story, but the Happiness Patrol bankrupted the Doctor Who production office. 307 00:17:41.940 --> 00:17:44.039 What a good one to do it on though. 308 00:17:44.099 --> 00:17:46.319 But yeah, it also looks the cheap business. 309 00:17:46.380 --> 00:17:47.519 I'll see how they did that. 310 00:17:47.579 --> 00:17:53.640 Yeah, they lost a lot of time with filming, just with a lot of little accidents, things like so... 311 00:17:54.420 --> 00:17:56.640 The cyberman costumes were completely new, of course. 312 00:17:56.700 --> 00:18:01.079 It was a new kind of lighter suit. but was actually hotter for the actors to wear. 313 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:03.599 It split at the crotch. 314 00:18:03.660 --> 00:18:05.700 There were cricket gloves. 315 00:18:05.759 --> 00:18:09.000 Um, the, they have a cricket gloves. 316 00:18:09.059 --> 00:18:11.279 The helmets were redesigned to be cricket boxes. 317 00:18:11.339 --> 00:18:12.900 If only they had those, they would have done fine. 318 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:14.160 The helmets were designed to... 319 00:18:14.220 --> 00:18:14.759 The helmet. 320 00:18:14.819 --> 00:18:24.960 Well, the helmets were designed to be shiny, but also they were redesigned to be easily removeable because during Attack at the side and during Earth Shock as well. just died of asphyxiation. 321 00:18:25.019 --> 00:18:26.940 Well, they had attacks of claustrophobia. 322 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:28.920 So it was designed to get them out easily. 323 00:18:28.980 --> 00:18:38.160 The problem the problem was, however, because everything was so rushed, some of the helmets had jagged metal inside of them, which literally pierced an extras ear. 324 00:18:38.220 --> 00:18:39.359 Oh, God. 325 00:18:39.359 --> 00:18:47.160 So they also had a new coating, a chrome paint that was incredibly expensive, but it oxidised outside the studio gold. 326 00:18:47.460 --> 00:18:50.880 Yeah, so they had to come up with a different type. 327 00:18:50.940 --> 00:18:51.960 Meta, isn't it? 328 00:18:52.019 --> 00:18:54.420 I've got perfect casting for this story. 329 00:18:54.480 --> 00:18:55.380 Can I just throw it in? 330 00:18:55.440 --> 00:18:55.920 Yep. 331 00:18:55.920 --> 00:18:57.480 It shouldn't have been Anton differing. 332 00:18:57.539 --> 00:18:58.500 It should have been Kenneth Williams. 333 00:18:58.559 --> 00:18:59.279 He was still with us. 334 00:18:59.579 --> 00:19:03.119 It should have been exactly Charles Hawtree. 335 00:19:03.299 --> 00:19:05.700 Could have been Richard. 336 00:19:05.759 --> 00:19:06.599 Yes. 337 00:19:06.599 --> 00:19:11.880 And I think we could have had Hattie Jakes as Lady Painful. 338 00:19:11.940 --> 00:19:14.700 And Barbara Windsor Castle as a Rundle Castle. 339 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:18.960 We'd all been romping around inside Barbara Windsor. 340 00:19:19.019 --> 00:19:20.579 Yeah, so that works. 341 00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:27.299 So there were actually days where the documentary crew was meant to go out on the shoot and JNT said, look, I'm really sorry. 342 00:19:27.420 --> 00:19:33.359 We just have so much to do that you cannot come out this day. and you're really, and you're really annoying. 343 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:36.059 They really, really were. 344 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:37.920 And even Gary Downey. 345 00:19:37.980 --> 00:19:39.539 Who had a reputation? 346 00:19:39.599 --> 00:19:47.940 Do you know that he and Sophie, at this point, we can throw it in now because it's convention circuit gossip, had a bit of a little bit of a moment, a bit of a discussion. 347 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:48.720 Yeah, yeah. 348 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:50.220 Well, I'm like, naffing off. 349 00:19:50.279 --> 00:19:55.079 I'm bogging off in my upper middle class manner, if you, because I am, it's official. on the DVDs. 350 00:19:55.140 --> 00:19:58.140 I'm up in middle class, you bog, and I'm going at bog face. 351 00:19:58.200 --> 00:19:58.559 Are you? 352 00:19:58.619 --> 00:19:59.759 I'm going to toe rag. 353 00:19:59.819 --> 00:20:01.740 I'm going to off and you can as well. 354 00:20:01.799 --> 00:20:02.579 She did. 355 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:03.480 She did on set. 356 00:20:03.539 --> 00:20:06.660 She kind of had a reason to because he was being just a little bit bossy. 357 00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:14.099 But at the same time, being JNT's partner, I think he also understood, like, oh, I don't know if they were partners. they were. 358 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:16.740 Yeah they were. was the point that this thing has no money. 359 00:20:16.799 --> 00:20:18.359 You have to get this in the can. 360 00:20:18.420 --> 00:20:21.960 Yeah, what it was was, she kept flubbing her lines on a certain scene. 361 00:20:21.960 --> 00:20:24.000 It was also hard being outside. 362 00:20:24.059 --> 00:20:25.440 Yeah, bloody duck. 363 00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:26.700 Just wouldn't let go, would it? 364 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:33.299 And also for an event they went to for publicity, she had contracted food poisoning halfway through the shoot. 365 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:34.740 So it was dealing with that. 366 00:20:34.799 --> 00:20:38.279 It was all of that custard tinned corn, wasn't it? 367 00:20:38.339 --> 00:20:41.940 Yeah, well, greatest show in the galaxy, which had been shot before this, of course. 368 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:46.740 Gary Downey also had disagreements on that with the set designer, which we'll discuss next week. 369 00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:54.599 And not only that, but during remembrance of the Daleks, Sophie and J and T had actually had a falling out, which by this point had been repaired. 370 00:20:54.660 --> 00:20:56.279 Yeah, Sophie's a good. 371 00:20:56.400 --> 00:21:04.019 Yeah, I forgot to mention this all the time, but pretty much she had had to stay late for recording, which was absolutely fine. 372 00:21:04.079 --> 00:21:10.440 But she just said to JNT, well, look, can I get a taxi home? 373 00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:14.940 Because it's going to be difficult for me to get home. little girl sometime. 374 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:19.500 And apparently JNT lost it, but they rebonded over Greater Show. 375 00:21:19.559 --> 00:21:22.380 But yeah, this was a very tense production. 376 00:21:22.440 --> 00:21:26.819 Not helped by Doctor Who Bulletin. we know about this? 377 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:32.880 Yeah, Gary Levy, Levy, and oh, the photos they took on site are just exquisite. 378 00:21:32.940 --> 00:21:38.400 A blackboard or, you know, a bit of wood, silver in the middle of a field, looking cross. 379 00:21:38.460 --> 00:21:40.079 Anyway, what were they doing? 380 00:21:40.140 --> 00:21:42.299 Well, they bombed the site, in other words. 381 00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:49.380 Photo bombed themselves into the site and interrupted and actually did a little bit of mock terrorist fan action. 382 00:21:49.380 --> 00:21:52.799 Gary Levy's a bit of a case, isn't he, in his day? 383 00:21:52.859 --> 00:21:59.099 So, the cameo artiste, Dolores Gray, who plays Mrs. Red. 384 00:21:59.160 --> 00:22:02.460 She was in um, God, was she in Follies as well? 385 00:22:02.519 --> 00:22:03.059 Yes, she was. 386 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:04.019 She was in Follies. 387 00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:05.400 She's wonderful. 388 00:22:05.460 --> 00:22:06.119 I really like her. 389 00:22:06.180 --> 00:22:07.200 It's complete padding. 390 00:22:07.259 --> 00:22:13.200 It's completely able to be excised from the story with no real effect. entirely refuse that that's ever done. 391 00:22:13.259 --> 00:22:15.480 But it's got some of the greatest lines. 392 00:22:15.539 --> 00:22:17.279 She's really wonderful. 393 00:22:17.640 --> 00:22:26.759 So what happened was Sheldon Collings and Gary Lee from Doctor Who Bulletin turned up to take photographs of Dolores. 394 00:22:26.819 --> 00:22:32.640 Now, John didn't have a great relationship with Doctor Who Bulletin, but, you know, still gave them news and whatnot. 395 00:22:32.700 --> 00:22:35.039 But what the problem was here. 396 00:22:35.039 --> 00:22:37.019 No, they'd been at war for several years. 397 00:22:37.079 --> 00:22:40.140 Oh, yeah, but they still got information from the production office at times. 398 00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:47.579 But what had happened here was the Daily Mail had been given the exclusive on Dolores Gray being in the show. 399 00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:55.920 So John thought, hold on, if they take photographs, that's going to break our exclusivity, which of course didn't help the feud between them. 400 00:22:55.980 --> 00:22:58.380 That's actually going to be. 401 00:22:58.440 --> 00:22:59.940 That's actually going to be season 3 of you. 402 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:01.440 JNT and DWB. 403 00:23:01.500 --> 00:23:02.759 I'd watch that. 404 00:23:02.819 --> 00:23:04.680 Gary Levy was a bit of a toty in his time. 405 00:23:05.579 --> 00:23:11.519 Yeah, so, you know, with all those problems. wonder the it's a wonder the episode got made at all. 406 00:23:11.579 --> 00:23:20.759 The stuff in the hangar at the end, a lot of it was, as the cast put it, semi-improvised, you know, we had the script, but we didn't rehearse. 407 00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:21.960 And a bit dangerous. 408 00:23:22.140 --> 00:23:28.500 I'm astounded by how brave Sophie is going on that gantry with that massive drop below. 409 00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:30.359 Which he was told was 20 feet. 410 00:23:31.259 --> 00:23:32.880 It wasn't. 411 00:23:32.940 --> 00:23:37.619 The novelisation, I think the script originally sets all that stuff in a building site. 412 00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:40.920 And because you've got this sort of huge, huge space. 413 00:23:40.980 --> 00:23:42.720 Like, I think it looks terrific. 414 00:23:42.779 --> 00:23:43.559 It's a great thing. 415 00:23:43.680 --> 00:23:44.339 It a Nissan hangar. 416 00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:45.299 Do you know what that site is now? 417 00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:46.619 They knocked it down. 418 00:23:46.680 --> 00:23:49.440 It's the millennium Dome. knocked that down too, haven't they? 419 00:23:49.500 --> 00:23:50.579 have to go and have a look. 420 00:23:50.640 --> 00:23:52.259 I mean, they literally... 421 00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:54.720 It is now the side of the millennium dome afterwards, yeah. 422 00:23:54.779 --> 00:23:57.720 They knocked that warehouse down like within a week. 423 00:23:57.720 --> 00:23:59.579 The course of this show. 424 00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:02.160 But yeah, the building site is what it originally was in the script. 425 00:24:02.220 --> 00:24:12.119 They had a building site lined up, which withdrew permission about 2 weeks before the shoot, and Gary Downey actually contacted the gas board, who recommended this place. 426 00:24:12.180 --> 00:24:13.680 So it's interesting. 427 00:24:13.680 --> 00:24:17.279 Just happened to be bringing a gas ball because he liked to, you know, make prank calls. 428 00:24:17.640 --> 00:24:21.359 Me pilot's gone out again, that kind of thing. 429 00:24:21.420 --> 00:24:22.740 You get the drift. 430 00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:29.700 They did find a disused power station they could have used, but they would have had to pay 30,000 pounds to have it decontaminated before going in. 431 00:24:29.940 --> 00:24:33.779 Normally they didn't care enough about the anchors to bother doing that, I think. 432 00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:36.359 Yeah, and well, this was the last story. 433 00:24:36.420 --> 00:24:37.799 To shoot. 434 00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:43.140 Yeah, but despite all that, there is a lot in this story I love. 435 00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:47.700 And you know, a lot of it, I think, is down to Fiona Walker, who is just exquisite. 436 00:24:47.819 --> 00:24:50.819 Yeah, fabulously crazy, isn't she? 437 00:24:50.880 --> 00:24:51.900 Like really, really great. 438 00:24:52.140 --> 00:24:55.559 I think she's absolutely dead right on tone for this. 439 00:24:55.680 --> 00:24:57.420 She overplays it sure. 440 00:24:57.480 --> 00:25:00.539 But she's doing Jacobean drama, not Shakespearean. 441 00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:02.160 The much darker Jamesie and stuff. 442 00:25:02.220 --> 00:25:06.779 Gerard Murphy was in the IRC at the time and glow as beautifully. 443 00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:17.819 And he's actually, if we want to rescue despots, dictators, and murderers, I do like that he becomes all lovely and comely and squishy at the end, but he's a freaking killer. for the beginning of it. 444 00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:19.140 Yeah, no, he's the dark bastard. 445 00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:24.000 But no, we all love him. and Silv strokes his beard and the outtakes. to see that. 446 00:25:24.059 --> 00:25:27.059 There's a lot of iambic pentameter actually in the dialogue. 447 00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:31.200 Clark wanted to write all of their lines and they said, no one actually talked like that. 448 00:25:31.259 --> 00:25:36.359 No, but you want to make them sound like that in 1638. 449 00:25:36.539 --> 00:25:37.680 I think it's really... 450 00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:39.359 I think I'd like to believe that Fiona walked. 451 00:25:39.420 --> 00:25:41.819 Oh, they get the dates all horribly wrong and it's also silly. 452 00:25:41.819 --> 00:25:44.940 And, you know, she's got roundheads in her backyard, hasn't she? 453 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:46.680 But that was it didn't happen for another 10 years. 454 00:25:46.740 --> 00:25:50.160 The new model army wasn't even formed in 1638. 455 00:25:50.339 --> 00:25:51.779 She gets all horribly horribly wrong. 456 00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:54.240 Can we talk about antecedents where this show comes from? 457 00:25:54.299 --> 00:25:55.079 Yes. 458 00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:56.819 You know what actually does come from somewhere? 459 00:25:56.880 --> 00:25:58.140 Really? 460 00:25:58.140 --> 00:25:59.640 And it's proper... 461 00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:00.299 Wacky races? 462 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:01.200 A drug fever. 463 00:26:01.259 --> 00:26:05.400 No, this, does everyone remember a lovely bloke who died in the 90s? 464 00:26:05.460 --> 00:26:07.019 I think he died early 90s, actually. 465 00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:08.579 Gene Schumaker. 466 00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:15.420 Not the movie critic on the NBC late night show with Jane Pauley, not that one. 467 00:26:15.480 --> 00:26:18.599 Gene Shermaker, as in the Shoemaker Levy Comet. 468 00:26:18.660 --> 00:26:22.619 Oh, yes. that was in 92 that... after this show. 469 00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:30.539 Interestingly, that they were picking up on Shoemaker stuff because that's the 1st time that we saw a comet head into Jupiter's influence and burnup. 470 00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:31.920 So we got to learn lots of new things. 471 00:26:31.980 --> 00:26:35.339 Schoemaker had a bit of a theory that was a bit of a wild one at the time. 472 00:26:35.400 --> 00:26:42.299 And he was on TV talking about it and he wrote about, it's a really interesting and lovely and gentleman and he was a humanist and a humanitarian. 473 00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:44.099 So he's kind of crops up in other things as well. 474 00:26:44.220 --> 00:26:56.039 He talked about, because, hey, it's the late 80s, and we were all having acid flashbacks, that perhaps soul in Mutter's spiral, it actually has a twin. 475 00:26:56.099 --> 00:27:00.539 And he was using this to explain things like our odd. 476 00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:05.400 There are odd orbits of our planets, and we have certainly odd things that going on. 477 00:27:05.460 --> 00:27:08.220 Mercury one, the inclusion of Pluto. 478 00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:10.380 I not an astronomer, so please correct me, do listener. 479 00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:25.980 But one of his suppositions, he wasn't the only one that was saying it, was that our son is in a 26000000 year cycle with its binary star, which we can't see because it's a neutron star long did. 480 00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:27.720 Do you know the name he gave? 481 00:27:27.779 --> 00:27:29.039 That neutron star? 482 00:27:29.099 --> 00:27:29.880 Nemesis. 483 00:27:29.940 --> 00:27:31.500 It was called MSS. 484 00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:33.180 And it's a little theory. 485 00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:33.720 You can look at that. 486 00:27:33.779 --> 00:27:34.559 Little theory at the time. 487 00:27:34.619 --> 00:27:42.900 And he was using it to explain, and of course, the cabalists and the neo-black aquariums that we've talked about, you know, alcohol stuff will always come up. 488 00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:50.759 But he also hypothesised that every 26000000 years, all for things like, oh, those dinosaurs were going to go anyway. 489 00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:56.819 So yes, again, Matthew's entire career. completely wasted killing himself for no good reason. 490 00:27:56.880 --> 00:27:58.980 Yeah, yeah, every 26000000 years. 491 00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:04.619 And he does posit that when this came about that that's why the Donis was wiped out. 492 00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:07.680 And actually we're due for it at the beginning of the 21st century. 493 00:28:07.740 --> 00:28:16.799 Right, so... the idea... the nemesis coming back every 25 years. every time the land dragger is going to swallow the moon. yes, very bad time. 494 00:28:16.859 --> 00:28:20.819 Your cock is going to crow thrice and lay out will be. 495 00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:22.500 That's right, Nathan. 496 00:28:22.980 --> 00:28:25.200 It's not a duck at all. 497 00:28:25.259 --> 00:28:27.779 Lady Pain Forts horses did turn and eat each other. 498 00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:30.000 Do you know why she's called painful? 499 00:28:30.059 --> 00:28:31.619 Because that's what they did to witches. 500 00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:33.359 It was pressing heavy things upon them. 501 00:28:33.420 --> 00:28:34.140 Yeah. 502 00:28:34.140 --> 00:28:35.160 Brian Blissard. 503 00:28:35.220 --> 00:28:36.660 Preston and Brian Blissard upon them. 504 00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:37.319 Yeah. 505 00:28:37.380 --> 00:28:40.079 Well, she throws herself into her own stature. it's a bit gorgeous. 506 00:28:40.140 --> 00:28:41.819 We've all had moments like that, haven't we? 507 00:28:41.819 --> 00:28:43.019 Oh, yeah, I'm having it now. 508 00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:44.579 Yeah, I was going to say during the podcast. 509 00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:53.700 But isn't that beautiful that the actual one of the antecedents of this, which is what I do on this podcast, is proper wibbly wobbly non-science science. 510 00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:55.980 This is a really good story. 511 00:28:56.099 --> 00:29:01.259 I think that's why I really wish the Nazis weren't in there, so we had more time. 512 00:29:01.259 --> 00:29:04.140 Yeah, it should have been. and Charles Hortry. 513 00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:19.619 That being said, just looking over my notes, I have realised that Kevin Clark's thought with the Nazis, of course, was their obsession with the occult and the quest for the spear of destiny for which he substitutes the bow and the arrow. 514 00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:22.980 It was much, it was much less silly in the original draft. 515 00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:24.720 I think you know what? 516 00:29:24.779 --> 00:29:34.559 I think the big problem is, as we'll discover next year with one of the 3 parters as well, that he possibly wrote enough for a four-part story for a three-part slot. 517 00:29:34.619 --> 00:29:39.480 It's actually a problem in the Carmel era, which is that the scripts come in too long. 518 00:29:39.539 --> 00:29:44.099 This doesn't have to be, like, think about Curse of Fenrick had a special edition. 519 00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:46.019 We had a special edition of this. 520 00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:55.440 There are some really, really horrific edits, I think, in Happiness Patrol, where you can see we come into scenes much later than we should be. 521 00:29:55.500 --> 00:29:59.279 And so that does tend to be a problem and it does affect what's going on here. 522 00:29:59.339 --> 00:30:04.319 But it does mean it's sort of, it's, you know, it does feel quite contemporary, doesn't it? 523 00:30:04.380 --> 00:30:04.740 jump. 524 00:30:04.859 --> 00:30:05.400 Yeah. 525 00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:05.940 Yeah. 526 00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:06.420 You know what? 527 00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:08.279 If this had been the studio bound story. 528 00:30:08.339 --> 00:30:10.259 This would have been much worse. 529 00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:15.180 Being on location helps it because there is a sense of movement. fun. 530 00:30:15.299 --> 00:30:19.380 And, you know, the weird thing is, though, it's got llamas. 531 00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:20.940 And as llamas. 532 00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:26.220 It's the 25th time, according to the facts that llamas have appeared on screen. 533 00:30:28.500 --> 00:30:33.779 Paul McGann's wig is actually made out of fur from wool from those llamas. 534 00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:39.960 But even with these pacing issues, we still have the scene with Dolore is great, which is wonderful. 535 00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:44.640 But, you know, is she? 536 00:30:44.700 --> 00:30:46.440 Why is she here? 537 00:30:46.500 --> 00:30:59.759 It's one of 2 vignettes to kind of show Lady Painful interacting with the modern day, but using Lady Remington and the skinheads as 2 sort of hyper real examples of the modern day. 538 00:30:59.819 --> 00:31:01.500 Many found it so. 539 00:31:01.799 --> 00:31:05.940 I mean, the interaction with Lady Pay it for... 540 00:31:05.940 --> 00:31:14.220 Mrs. Remington is so great just because Lady Painfold has poisoned one of Mrs. Remington... 541 00:31:14.220 --> 00:31:20.519 I think that scene is slightly more worthy because it's the explanation of how they get back to the hangar. you know. 542 00:31:20.579 --> 00:31:26.880 But the 2 scenes with the skinheads are complete comic relief, but they really work because of the punchline. 543 00:31:26.940 --> 00:31:28.019 Like, who did this to you? 544 00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:29.039 social workers. 545 00:31:29.099 --> 00:31:30.240 I don't understand that. 546 00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:35.160 Do their social workers normally strip them to their underwear and tie them up and hang them from a tree? 547 00:31:35.220 --> 00:31:41.940 Because Lady Painfort and Richard are speaking all plummet and what have you, they must be social workers. 548 00:31:42.059 --> 00:31:48.900 So they think they're social workers in the 1st scene and try to mug them at which point they string them up in a tree and burn their clothes. 549 00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:53.819 And it's just the doctor's reaction of just, Ace, come and help me get these people down. 550 00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:56.220 And, you know, then we never see them again. 551 00:31:56.279 --> 00:32:00.180 We have no idea if they have to go back to town in their boxes. 552 00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:04.920 And yeah, one of them's wearing like cartoon boxes covered in kisses. 553 00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:11.880 It's a wonderful, absurd thing that you'd never get in Star Trek for God's sake. 554 00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:13.319 Well, fun, yes. 555 00:32:13.380 --> 00:32:16.380 But, you know, I'm like the lady rubbing disease. 556 00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:21.119 It just has no plot impact whatsoever, and the Mrs. Ervington scene has a very little plot impact. 557 00:32:21.180 --> 00:32:25.680 I really love that Dolores Gray is named after an intimate shaving device. 558 00:32:25.740 --> 00:32:27.119 The lady people. 559 00:32:27.420 --> 00:32:37.380 So in the 1st draft when the American tourist was referred to as Mr. Remington, they were trying to get Larry Hagman. 560 00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:38.519 Oh, my God. 561 00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:39.480 And they couldn't. 562 00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:43.799 They almost did because one of the cast members had just worked with him and were mates. 563 00:32:43.859 --> 00:32:48.059 Yeah, I get I get to wear that outfit, like the pearls and the clothes. 564 00:32:48.119 --> 00:32:49.440 He's actually up for that kind of thing. 565 00:32:49.500 --> 00:32:50.220 Yeah, yeah. 566 00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:51.839 It was really saucy and naughty. 567 00:32:51.900 --> 00:32:57.839 Apparently, he was the he was the scallywag on the set of I Drew Magini, and the reason the show went so long, and the cast all stayed together. 568 00:32:57.900 --> 00:33:00.480 You didn't get cast changes like you did in a lot of other 60s shows. 569 00:33:00.539 --> 00:33:02.880 It's because Hagman was a... 570 00:33:02.940 --> 00:33:03.420 Yeah, exactly. 571 00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:07.440 But Hagman was a real piss taker on set and everyone, it was a rough working with it. 572 00:33:07.500 --> 00:33:08.640 Super, super clever. 573 00:33:08.700 --> 00:33:14.099 Almost bipolar is in his book, if you ever used to sit and read that in the school library. 574 00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:15.839 I wonder what my librarian was like. 575 00:33:15.900 --> 00:33:17.339 She used to buy a lot of these things. 576 00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:25.259 But yeah, yeah, he had that very Peter Sellers, manic, depressive thing, but when he was up, he was really naughty. much like this podcast. 577 00:33:25.380 --> 00:33:29.759 Well, I gather he was up for it, but it was kind of a scheduling thing. 578 00:33:29.819 --> 00:33:33.240 Whereas Dolores Gray was performing in the UK at the time. 579 00:33:33.299 --> 00:33:39.779 She was performing in Follies at the time. famously and probably everyone's heard the story. 580 00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:43.920 But when her chauffeur came to drive her to set. 581 00:33:43.980 --> 00:33:45.960 She got to set and said, where are my jewels? 582 00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:54.960 And she just left this suitcase full of jewels on the pavement because people just pack her luggage. 583 00:33:55.019 --> 00:33:56.400 That's what they do. 584 00:33:56.460 --> 00:34:00.599 And thankfully, the caretaker of the building had come out and spotted it and brought it in. 585 00:34:00.660 --> 00:34:04.680 Peter Capaldi. and sent it on. 586 00:34:04.740 --> 00:34:08.159 It was £25,000 worth of uninsured jewels. 587 00:34:08.219 --> 00:34:13.559 The production didn't know she was bringing them, but she just went, oh, darling, these will go lovely with my dress. 588 00:34:13.619 --> 00:34:14.460 Where are my jewels? 589 00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:17.219 Yeah, and... she... 590 00:34:17.219 --> 00:34:19.800 And horrible in the back of that car. 591 00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:20.940 It was rancid. 592 00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:24.480 You know that look when you've got Richard leaning in? 593 00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:27.000 And she's sitting there and she says, oh, no, you're coming. 594 00:34:27.059 --> 00:34:29.880 And the reason they look like, it's not because he doesn't know how to open door handles. 595 00:34:29.940 --> 00:34:31.380 Of course, it stinks like a zoo. 596 00:34:32.460 --> 00:34:34.679 Stinks like a pert wee figure. 597 00:34:34.739 --> 00:34:35.519 It does. 598 00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:40.500 Now, of course, Kevin Clark. 599 00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:49.199 It's it's kind of weird, you know, all the writers brief. was we want to bring back mystery to the character of the doctor. 600 00:34:49.260 --> 00:34:55.440 So Kevin Clark and Andrew Cartmel interpreted this as, so in Kevin Glant's script, we'll reveal something huge about him. 601 00:34:55.500 --> 00:34:56.940 So... 602 00:34:56.940 --> 00:34:58.679 Behave. 603 00:34:59.340 --> 00:35:06.539 So Kevin Clark's concept was, let's reveal that the doctor is God. love that. 604 00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:09.539 Well, that's well, Carnwell claims it as his own. 605 00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:10.199 Oh, okay. 606 00:35:10.260 --> 00:35:12.000 Well, JNT hated it and vetoed it. 607 00:35:12.059 --> 00:35:12.599 Of course he did. 608 00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:17.940 But yeah, because they kind of saw it as if he's got Godlike powers, why doesn't he do this? 609 00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:18.780 Why doesn't he do that? 610 00:35:19.380 --> 00:35:21.000 Does he spend episode 3 locked up? 611 00:35:21.059 --> 00:35:31.380 Yeah, but Carlos point was that, no, his manipulation all through human history is that, you know, in our world, he is actually our god across all religions. 612 00:35:31.500 --> 00:35:35.099 Well, you know, because Pertwee was almost Buddha for a little while. 613 00:35:35.219 --> 00:35:36.960 It does introduce us to fire. 614 00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:38.340 That's true. 615 00:35:38.340 --> 00:35:39.179 He does. 616 00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:40.199 Isn't that St. 617 00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:41.159 Eileen way, though? 618 00:35:41.219 --> 00:35:42.780 But no, no. 619 00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:44.820 She was the Loki all the time, wasn't she? 620 00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:46.139 She wouldn't let us have the phone. 621 00:35:46.260 --> 00:35:52.380 But the problem, I think, with that is, if you do do that and you follow it to its natural conclusion, what do you get? 622 00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:54.300 You get death comes to time. 623 00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:55.500 Ouch. 624 00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:57.420 No one wants that And you know what? 625 00:35:57.480 --> 00:36:02.820 That comes to time is a very interesting concept, but you think about the fact that the doctors are god and has these godlike powers. 626 00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:04.619 He uses them spoiler alert. 627 00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:07.679 No one wants to listen to death comes to time. got it. listened to it once. 628 00:36:07.739 --> 00:36:14.159 I do apologise because I believe the writer being Colin Meek was actually Nev found it. thought it was Dan. 629 00:36:14.219 --> 00:36:15.360 Dan the director. 630 00:36:15.420 --> 00:36:16.500 I'm not sure who. 631 00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:17.639 Is it Nev who wrote it? 632 00:36:17.699 --> 00:36:18.960 I could be wrong. 633 00:36:19.019 --> 00:36:23.639 The point is, we all thought this is completely naff and silly, and we need to also mention as Ace does. 634 00:36:23.699 --> 00:36:25.440 You know how she mentions NAF in this in this show? 635 00:36:25.500 --> 00:36:28.139 Nef is polare for heterosexual. 636 00:36:28.500 --> 00:36:31.019 It was nap and it was boring. 637 00:36:31.139 --> 00:36:38.820 Um, But a lot of these ideas were actually cartwolves, like sending Ace to Timewald Universityschool.com. 638 00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:40.679 I thought, that's stupid. 639 00:36:40.739 --> 00:36:43.079 But yeah, that was the original plan. 640 00:36:43.139 --> 00:36:46.619 That's what they were going to do, as we'll find out for season 27, perhaps. 641 00:36:46.739 --> 00:36:50.880 The thing is, when death comes to time came out, I loved it, and I still... 642 00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:52.440 Stephen Fryers, the Minister of Chance. 643 00:36:52.500 --> 00:36:54.360 Jacqueline Pierce is in it? 644 00:36:54.420 --> 00:37:01.860 But I still kind of love the ideas, but how is making the doctor God and giving him godlike powers? 645 00:37:01.860 --> 00:37:07.860 Yes. any different to having the screwdriver unlock everything and canine hack into everything. 646 00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:12.960 And in fact, if we hadn't had death comes to time, we wouldn't have had you in your lovely cosplay, would we? 647 00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:18.539 I have got that on the flight through Entirety Facebook. is a bit lovely. 648 00:37:18.599 --> 00:37:24.000 The cosplaying as Sylvester in Death comes to time, along with. 649 00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:24.780 In a frock? 650 00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:29.519 Along with friend of the podcast, Aaron Kleimas cosplaying as the new adventures 7th doctor. 651 00:37:29.579 --> 00:37:30.900 Aaron J. 652 00:37:30.900 --> 00:37:31.559 Clymers went. 653 00:37:31.619 --> 00:37:33.539 I don't think he was even allowed to drink then. 654 00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:34.679 That's how young he was. 655 00:37:35.340 --> 00:37:37.440 Yeah, bit about that, huh? 656 00:37:37.500 --> 00:37:41.219 So instead, I think what we get instead is... 657 00:37:41.280 --> 00:37:50.159 I think what we get instead is better because it's painful alluding that she knows secrets and it creates fun. 658 00:37:50.219 --> 00:37:51.239 It's fun, exactly. 659 00:37:51.300 --> 00:37:52.619 It's not. 660 00:37:52.619 --> 00:37:54.119 I wasn't born. 661 00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:56.820 It's not the doctor's name is Cecil, you know? 662 00:37:56.940 --> 00:37:58.920 It's Gordon anyway. 663 00:37:58.980 --> 00:38:00.119 We all know. 664 00:38:00.659 --> 00:38:02.940 I shan't tell them. 665 00:38:02.940 --> 00:38:04.500 And that's the beautiful compact. 666 00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:06.179 I can't tell them like, no one can. 667 00:38:06.300 --> 00:38:07.980 Yeah, and I see his response. 668 00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:08.880 No what? 669 00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:10.380 The casual viewer couldn't give us stuff. 670 00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:12.000 Who is watching this? 671 00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.239 Who isn't one, you know, who of the not we is watching this? 672 00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:17.280 23rd of November means what? 673 00:38:17.340 --> 00:38:21.239 And if you weren't there in 62. you wouldn't have even known. 674 00:38:21.300 --> 00:38:22.980 And it's the 22nd anyway. 675 00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:24.780 That's the Kennedy assassination. 676 00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:26.519 You wouldn't have even known that that happened. 677 00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:36.179 Well, I think it does tell us something because those mysteries can't be solved, can't be answered because the answer has to be uninteresting. 678 00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:37.559 Exactly. 679 00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:38.940 And it's a good idea. 680 00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:44.280 Like Carmel's instinct to kind of reintroduce some kind of ambiguity about the doctor's origin. 681 00:38:44.340 --> 00:38:50.699 That's a great idea, but he can't ever reveal it without wrecking it, I think, because then it's just another tedious origin story. 682 00:38:50.820 --> 00:38:54.059 Well, yeah, and and you know, we're all in accord on that. 683 00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:56.340 And Todd and James are in accord on that as well. 684 00:38:56.400 --> 00:39:01.619 That was, in our Stones of Blood commentary a couple of weeks ago, we discussed that and Todger said, I don't ever want to find out. 685 00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:03.000 What is the point of finding out? 686 00:39:03.059 --> 00:39:05.699 Yeah, why does the doctor leave Gallifrey? 687 00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:06.539 tells us nothing. 688 00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:07.019 Yeah. 689 00:39:07.019 --> 00:39:07.559 You know? 690 00:39:07.619 --> 00:39:08.639 Where is he? 691 00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:09.840 Bloody Clara. 692 00:39:09.900 --> 00:39:15.840 I'm thinking it was like he had like massive, massive overdue fees at civic video. 693 00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:21.539 I think he was trying to get away from his granddaughter. 694 00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:23.099 Oh damn. 695 00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:24.599 Why are you in here? 696 00:39:24.659 --> 00:39:25.980 Anyway, they loom. 697 00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:27.960 Talking of a whoomed granddaughter. 698 00:39:28.019 --> 00:39:29.639 It's like a hand knitted granddaughter. 699 00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:34.920 In Kevin Clark's original script, because he went back and looked it up in the Doctor Who monster book, because Carol Anne's in there. 700 00:39:34.980 --> 00:39:38.039 He did have references to... 701 00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:39.179 She's in the monster book. 702 00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:39.960 There's a reason for that. 703 00:39:40.019 --> 00:39:45.420 When Richard and Lady Painful are discussing the doctor, it is he, et cetera, et cetera. 704 00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:53.639 There was going to be more saying, you know, his face has changed and so has that of the wench and he was going to go on and describe Billy and Susan. 705 00:39:53.699 --> 00:40:01.619 And the idea was much like remembrance of the Daleks, where it's Billy dropping off the hand of Omega. 706 00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:13.920 It's also when he left Galafraid, that's when he took the Veladium statue with him. as well as the as well as the worshipful and ancient law of galafrey. 707 00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:14.880 Yeah. 708 00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:19.260 TARDIS was really full of... 709 00:40:19.260 --> 00:40:25.679 Timothy Dalton's pyjamas. yeah that's right But yeah, this posing pouch of rational. 710 00:40:25.739 --> 00:40:30.780 This brings us to... 711 00:40:30.780 --> 00:40:38.280 This brings us to what Ace points out in the final scene, whereas this is exactly what you did to the bloody Daleks. 712 00:40:38.340 --> 00:40:40.619 And I think if this... 713 00:40:40.619 --> 00:40:41.639 Commode of the other. 714 00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:47.880 Do you actually think that there was some intention of actually wiping out the cybermen completely? 715 00:40:47.940 --> 00:40:52.739 You know, I think it may be that they're trying to restate the mystery of the show. 716 00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:56.219 So let's kiss goodbye to all the old stuff. 717 00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:57.420 So we get rid of Daleks. 718 00:40:57.480 --> 00:41:04.920 We get rid of the side, but in such a way we can always bring them back if we want to. system of Christopher Robbie. that in there, didn't he? 719 00:41:04.980 --> 00:41:05.940 But that's the thing. 720 00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:13.019 I think this works so well as the season finale because instead of just being the same plot as Remembrance of the Daleks, it's a bookend. 721 00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:15.539 The doctor starts the season by getting rid of the Daleks. 722 00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:17.579 He ends the season by getting rid of the cybermen. 723 00:41:17.699 --> 00:41:26.039 And in the middle, we have 2 strange stories about overthrowing an evil government and destroying ancient gods. 724 00:41:26.099 --> 00:41:27.059 And hippies. 725 00:41:27.179 --> 00:41:27.599 You know. 726 00:41:27.659 --> 00:41:29.159 So Ace point... 727 00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:33.780 Ace pointing out, oh, you know, that's how you nobbled the Daleks. 728 00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:36.900 It's a callback rather than a lampshade. 729 00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:40.860 And it also is giving him some kind of purpose. 730 00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:47.760 Remember, he says to the statue that he still needs her because things are still in perfect. 731 00:41:47.820 --> 00:41:48.599 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 732 00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:55.559 I kind of think that giving him a mission is kind of what they sort of need to do. 733 00:41:55.619 --> 00:41:57.059 Bionic woman, 6000000 person. 734 00:41:57.119 --> 00:42:00.900 Well, I mean, I like the idea that the doctor just travels because he wants to see the universe. 735 00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:02.940 That's what we do because we're lazy. 736 00:42:04.380 --> 00:42:05.340 I don't want to have to do anything. 737 00:42:06.179 --> 00:42:09.059 Like Pierce Davis... 738 00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:14.099 Every other episode of this season, every other story of this season is a mission. 739 00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:15.119 Yeah, it turns out. 740 00:42:15.179 --> 00:42:16.139 So was Dragonfire? 741 00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:16.860 Yes. 742 00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:17.400 Yep. 743 00:42:17.460 --> 00:42:32.699 But it turns out maybe even Delta was because he was looking for a warrior companion because he'd realised that Mel could not be what he needed to achieve in this life and he that he was looking for his Valkyrie. 744 00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:34.739 His Brunhilda. 745 00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:37.440 I should have just cast Joan Sims. 746 00:42:37.980 --> 00:42:40.079 It should been terrific. 747 00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:42.599 I mean, what do we think about? 748 00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:44.579 Please fight for mysterious planet, do this? 749 00:42:45.420 --> 00:42:49.079 So are we okay with the sort of ripoff factor then? 750 00:42:49.139 --> 00:42:50.460 Mysterious Planner. 751 00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:53.099 I've never watched it, but it's got James Sims. you need to see it. 752 00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:54.480 Rip-off factor. 753 00:42:54.539 --> 00:43:00.599 Well, I mean, what is Doctor Who ever done but rip off and do it really nicely by repositing? 754 00:43:00.659 --> 00:43:02.760 It was the 1st postmodern production on television. 755 00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:06.059 There's about what Nathan said in the very 1st story. 756 00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:07.260 It's about TV itself. 757 00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:08.219 Remember when you said that? 758 00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:09.000 I quite liked that. 759 00:43:09.059 --> 00:43:10.679 That was Nathan. 760 00:43:10.739 --> 00:43:12.360 It's the Nathan. 761 00:43:42.420 --> 00:43:52.320 Morgan, whistle, we've had enough running about the battle, Randall, so we're going to try our talents in the audition, but the psychic circus do come back for the greatest show in the galaxy next week. 762 00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:58.260 Don't forget, in our show notes, you can vote for the Colin Baker story, you'd like us to do a commentary on. 763 00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:04.559 The nominations are Mark of the Rani, Revelation of the Daleks, the Mysterious Planet, and Terror of the vervoids. 764 00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:14.099 You can find that at flightsthroughentirety.sexy, flight through entirety on Facebook and Apple Podcasts and at FTE podcast on Twitter, over on Bondfinger. 765 00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:24.059 We have the 1st 3 Pierce Brosnan Bond films, and all preceding ones on Bondfinger.com, Bondfinger on Facebook and Apple Podcasts, and at Bondfinger cast on Twitter. 766 00:44:24.179 --> 00:44:25.980 Bond Finger of Omega. 767 00:44:27.420 --> 00:44:31.559 Until next time, may none of your vile neighbours steal your cook. 768 00:44:31.619 --> 00:44:33.119 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 769 00:44:33.179 --> 00:44:33.780 Good night. 770 00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:35.340 In for me in for me. 771 00:44:53.880 --> 00:45:03.420 That was like your entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, Brendan Jones and Richard Stone, theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, logo designed by Anthony Wells. 772 00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:08.280 This episode, Exit Pursued by a Bear, was recorded on the 22nd of July 2017. 773 00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:11.820 The next episode will be released on the 20th of August. 774 00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:25.739 When the doctor relaunched the Nemesis Statue in 1988, he was sent into a slightly more distant orbit with a period of 28 to 29 Earth years, which explains a lot when you've come to think about it. 775 00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:32.039 But, I mean, that's not the initial conception, is it he travels because he can't control the TARDIS? 776 00:45:32.099 --> 00:45:41.460 Well, no, we think he's escaping, yeah, but as Newman say, Newman's Newman was boggly awful. when you look at his concepts and his 86 concept, which have we talked about that? 777 00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:42.119 Yeah, we have. 778 00:45:42.179 --> 00:45:45.360 That's great Turn it into a warmer. 779 00:45:46.739 --> 00:45:50.460 After turning it back into Patrick Trown. is the plan. 780 00:45:50.579 --> 00:45:52.980 That's what Pat would have wanted. 781 00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:03.480 There's not enough. 782 00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:07.139 I thought you were being Matt Berry. 783 00:46:07.619 --> 00:46:09.420 No difference, actually. 784 00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:11.039 He's my man crush. 785 00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:12.539 I'll just hold him up for the listener. 786 00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:13.019 There you are. 787 00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:15.119 Delicious. 788 00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:15.840 Okay. 789 00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:18.900 This canon now, because Peter Davidson's his flatmate in Toasted Canon. 790 00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:21.119 Anything anyone else wants to say? 791 00:46:22.260 --> 00:46:24.960 It's not enough nudity in this story. 792 00:46:25.019 --> 00:46:37.320 It's a little bit As Sylvester would put it, look, there were some very good looking firefighter type chaps in those side main costumes, as Sophie discovered to her delight as we were entirely on location. 793 00:46:37.380 --> 00:46:42.000 He was so naughty to out her as being a little bit frisky and that's right. 794 00:46:42.059 --> 00:46:48.420 And I've got to say for so, you know, all for so, benefit and and arger in her role, she's never denied it. 795 00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:49.440 She said, yeah, I had good time. 796 00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:52.860 I had an upper middle class, good time. 797 00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:55.079 Right upper. 798 00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:56.820 Okay. 799 00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:08.159 Wrap it up. 800 00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:11.760 I imagine. 801 00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:18.420 See, I can't look at you when I do this because I'll just completely break up. 802 00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:20.519 Comet. 803 00:47:24.539 --> 00:47:29.619 Well, dear listener, we've had enough of running about an app.