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Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety

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the only Doctor Who podcast who knows the secret of the old

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times.

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So it's salt, pepper, paprika tarragon.

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Oh, wait, I'm reading the wrong thing.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Nathan And I'm Frankie Howard for this one because if you say

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it in his voice, it's no missus.

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We've finally reached the 25th anniversary despite almost being

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cancelled twice.

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It Silvan Emezis.

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What's this about?

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Good question.

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It's about yomping through the countryside.

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Some Nazis.

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Five go mad in Windsor, isn't it?

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So, right.

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So, yeah, 25th anniversary special.

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As we discussed last week, this was meant to go out last, but was

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moved 3rd because of scheduling issues, which does lead to two

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hilarious. continuity errors, which I didn't bloody notice until

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the discontinuity guide came out.

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But we'll discuss those more next week. should have been Cliff

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Richard.

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Anton differing was so overcast in this one.

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Well, you know who was the 1st choice?

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Charles Gray.

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Charles Gray.

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Betty to his mate.

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Who kind of said, oh, you know, can it be a bit of a bigger part?

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But it turned, it turned out, I believe, he just wasn't available

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but also they...

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He actually had a job because, you know, he was a working actor

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yeah.

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But they also assured him he would not have to speak with a job.

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Yeah, you wouldn't have to do the accent.

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Because you know, they're not actually meant to be Nazis.

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Because RTL had bought the series from the crunch of RTL was

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actually Luxembourgian.

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You know what those Borges got up to.

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But they broadcast directly into Germany, and the

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Prussianwegians.

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And so, of course, you know, we didn't mention...

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No, we just didn't.

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It wasn't something done.

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But then, of course, lovely director Chris Clough thought, let's

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snash swastickers.

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Sticker.

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Come on, where's your banners?

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It's not livelier.

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Come on, your home's not home without them.

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Mrs. Smith everywhere, didn't he?

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When a bit Mrs. Bid made and stuff.

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No, coloured up all over the walls.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Actually, they're not meant to be.

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The script is really careful. to just make them fascists.

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Yeah, well, that...

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And they cast Anton Diffwing with that accent.

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Well, they were so damn sick.

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This is the last thing he ever did all his whole career.

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And being an anti-Nazi and getting out because he was queer, of

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course, so he had to get out of the Germany and, you know, 33, 34

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I think it got out, but Nazis the whole rest of it.

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He said, oh, God.

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He said, I don't understand and it's terrible.

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I'm only here for the tennis.

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Yeah exactly.

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Like, he didn't understand the script.

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He was just there for Wimbledon.

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He hated playing another Nazi because he whinged and moaned.

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The whole time on set.

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So Kevin Clark and Andrew Cartmel had worked very hard on the

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script.

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Kevin Clark had seen 2 episodes of Doctor Who before this and

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wasn't terribly impressed by either of them.

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I don't know what they were.

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No, they were the underwater menace part five.

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Now sadly lost.

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Joe Walton's diaries.

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Yes.

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And the Space really helps.

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Yeah, I think it really helps that he hadn't seen them.

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This is as far away from the Pip and Jane Niverse as it's possible

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to be, isn't it?

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and still be Pippin Janey.

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It is still a bit, Pip and Jane.

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Very different, Jane.

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They're the ones who came up with, hey, let's have Nazis in it, and

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it was sort of at the 5th stage of giraffe that John said, you do

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realise we're screening in Germany now, Andrew.

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Maybe let's take them out.

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So every reference in the script was changed to paramilitaries.

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You know they're carrying Utsis, don't you?

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Which are Israeli military handguns and rifles.

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Yeah, I think they're very generous on what they declare to be

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okay now, these neo-coff.

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Look, I'm gonna...

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How beautiful did this look?

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We turned this on at the time.

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My goodness.

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Doctor Who looks as good as everything else on TV.

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It's inexplicable, I think, that it took them so long to get out

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of the studio.

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And part of the problem with the Colin Baker era is it's so studio

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bound and so many space corridors.

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And here we're actually in Windsor.

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We're inside buildings, which has almost never happened on

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location.

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We had nice houses in sunshine.

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I believe it was South America.

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Yeah, well, inside that building, which has been dressed up.

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You're inside the, you know, the cafe in Windsor.

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It looks just terrific.

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I really like it.

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There's something really fresh and light about it.

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It is actually a bit of a mess.

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You know, it doesn't really work.

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There's a lot of running around.

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Yeah, for me, the big problem is actually the Nazi slash

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paramilitaries.

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You can take them out and it really doesn't affect the story that

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much.

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And 2 weeks.

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Don't lose the skinheads, though.

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Oh, no, God, no.

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Two weeks ago, when we were talking about remembrance of Daleks

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Ben Aronovich had been trying to get into TV writing for 5 years

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and he was desperate to impress on Doctor Who, as you alluded

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Richard, he did pitch the story which eventually became

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Battlefield.

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It's called Nightfall or something originally?

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Nightfall was his 1st pitch, then Storm over Avalion.

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Say that 3 times and it'll be a big Finnish.

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The reason they asked him to write remembrance of the Daleks is

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they were really impressed with his grasp of action sequences.

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And so they said, hey, we want to do a Dalek story.

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Why don't you do it?

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Now, the thing is, when he was writing it, you know, he took home

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Dalek tapes and he researched the Daleks because he's like, I want

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this to be proper.

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So he thought of including fowls, and he thought of including

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Ogrons, but he decided, no, I'm going to keep it simple because my

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1st one.

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I'm not going to bore the tits off everyone.

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I wish someone had suggested this to Kevin Clark.

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I wish someone at some point had said, Kevin, what are the Nazis

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actually doing?

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Because really their purpose just exists to get the bow into the

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story and even then the doctor goes to Windsor Castle to get the

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bow, he could pick up the bow there, they threaten Ace in episode

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one, but the cybermen show up.

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And this is another example of slightly poor communication on this

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story.

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Kevin Clark's script says that the cybermen appear and distract

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the paramilitaries.

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Chris Clough got that and went, oh, they appear.

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They must appear in a spaceship.

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But what Kevin Clark actually meant was, no, they appear out of a

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portal making them.

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Yeah, appear out of Peter Miles.

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That's the great sadness of this, that there is no nider in this.

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Thank you.

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That's what I wanted.

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Yes.

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Can you imagine if as a 25th anniversary, they'd brought back

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Katie as Lady Katie Miles.

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Who else would you have liked?

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Pat Trouton, just as the screaming rock, Philip Maddock in

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Fishnets.

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Again, I think it was Pat Trouton would have loved that because he

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constantly wanted to come back under a monster mask so nobody knew

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who he was.

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Tom.

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In fact, Tom as the screamer, really.

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We should probably name check just a correction.

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Ruth Maddock was never Philip Maddock's daughter, although she was

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the same age as his daughter at a previous marriage.

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She was his wife all the time.

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I put that in the show notes.

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Did you?

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throw that in because it's saucy.

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There should be laws against that kind of... yes.

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Says the Jones.

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So who else would we cast if we had a mythic go at being cartinal

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for this or JNT for this, considering it's a 25th anniversary?

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I mean, we've already nominated Brian Blessard as Lady Painful.

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Yes, that's right.

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I like Katie as as lady.

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Katie is Lady Punkfoot. works for me too.

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Carol Anne Ford as Richard.

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I thought you were going to say as the police car with a siren.

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My uncle, my uncle, my ankle.

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Caralan Ford Anglia.

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So it's going to be dad jokes.

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It's a 25th anniversary.

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Come on. dad jokes and cherries.

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I love this show.

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Can we just say how much I love this story?

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Fiona Walker.

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There's a reason that Nathan is sitting here with crossed legs

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because he can't contain himself because it's got Fiona Walker.

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She's wonderful, isn't she?

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And she's in Keys of Marin?

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Well, really, in fact, I should have just used the entire cast of

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the Keys of Marriage.

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Yeah, Altos. and repent.

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Sabitha.

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The other blokes.

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A lot of white people on Mariners, aren't there?

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There are a bitch.

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George Calu is sadly no longer with us.

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The resurrected skull of George Caluris.

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In one of the Morpherton brain jars.

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Yes, see, that works.

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She's so good.

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Why are people maligning this as being stupid in Athena because it

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is.

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But I mean, you know, there are so many illusions.

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Winter's Tale.

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Yes.

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Such thing.

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Such things only happen in the theatre.

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I think the problem is that the conception of the of the story is

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you have 3 groups of villains racing each other to get hold of

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them. the wacky races.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And so that's light, that's fun, that kind of works, but as you

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point out, Brendan, one of those groups of people is actually

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surplus to requirements.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And Nazis.

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And, you know, also, Nazis should not be funny unless they played

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as in the 1st season of 1970s Wonder Woman by Jewish members of

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Mel Brooks' own cast. right.

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I'm going to recommend to the listeners, go out and see Mel

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Brookson and Bancroft in to be or not to be.

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Oh, that's my pick of the week.

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Because that has nothing to do with this show at all. yes.

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And it's so good.

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It's incredibly funny and incredibly tragic and incredibly moving

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and all these amazing things.

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And, you know, even though it is a Mel Brooks, it's not your

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spaceballs, Dracula dead and loving it, men in tights kind of

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humour.

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It is based on an earlier film, of course, but that's all I'll say

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about it.

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Um, you know, how do the Nazis find out about the bloody nemesis

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for God's sake?

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Painful knows about it because it's hers, in a way. because we

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haven't mentioned them because they're the silver reflective

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mirrors from the last story in the room, but how do the cyber folk

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know about?

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This must be the lady painful.

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They were in space.

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They're space people.

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This makes people can find things out.

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Well, they are terrible, aren't they?

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Is this their worst story?

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No, they're the best.

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They're pretty.

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They're shiny and pretty and they put their hands on their hips.

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Gold.

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I mean, what the hell?

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We're doing sure Shirley Bassey again.

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No, no, it's David Banks.

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He always has an incredibly posh sidekick who says things like

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promises to aliens have no Belida chair.

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You know, like...

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I must protest, Lita.

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So bad.

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Oh my god.

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The gold thing.

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Okay.

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In revenge of the side men and in earth shock, you have to get

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right up next to the side men and sort of shove it down there.

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Here, literally, when a cyberman is 5 feet away from gold, he wets

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his pants.

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Well, I actually think it's really hilarious that they're a big

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camp in this and all, aren't they?

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terrible.

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And this carry on cyber league.

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Yeah, so they can't approach that tomb thing while Lady Painfort's

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firing gold arrows out there.

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And so the Nazis say, well, we don't know.

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We are immute to these things.

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Unless they put us in the fan.

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Not the face, not the face.

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They're poison tipped arrows.

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Like, why not see something into that?

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And like, I think that they really missed a trick by not having

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the arrows dipped in nail polish removed. taking out the cyberman

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that way.

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Because we all know that word.

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Because, you know...

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After Leslie French makes a time calculation. taking into account

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the change in calendar 200 years after his own time.

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1753 Gregorian calendar.

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And also he predicts Newton and, you know, the planetal shift.

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No, no, it's very good.

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Well, this is why he should have been the 1st doctor.

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And we all know he's in this because he was the 1st casting

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choice.

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And he wasn't available or he said, no, NAF off.

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Ive got a career.

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And they said, Billy's sitting around doing nothing but moaning.

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So they put Billy Hart on him.

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And I'm very glad they did...

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Yeah, he could have whipped up some nail polish remover easily.

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It was Leslie franchise.

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Richard, you were saying why is this considered a bad story?

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Now, recently on Facebook, there was a meme going around to give

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your favourite and least favourite story per doctor.

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It was really fun that.

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Yeah, very nice.

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And, you know, me having to spend 20 Facebook posts explaining to

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people why Black Orchid is horrible.

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Even my own sister, my own sister betrayed me.

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Anyway, moving on.

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She's not with us.

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I list this story.

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She's in a fibreglass rock in orbit, right?

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Covered in front tax of your projections.

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And cupboard.

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How the hell did it get cobwebs up there?

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Space spiders.

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It's very Space 1999.

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The spiders of Wrestleon.

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But I list this story as my least favourite.

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Oh, you know you are, darling.

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But I still give this 6 out of 10.

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I think it's a bit harsh.

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Well, I love this.

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I think it is telling that what dollies of it, Tony Bird.

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I think this is the worst Sylvester McCoy story, but that doesn't

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mean that it's bad.

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You know, like I would...

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No, I think you can look at season 24 and find an example.

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Yeah, maybe Dragonfire actually.

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Although, actually, it's my favourite of season 24.

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Well, you see, they're all good. they are all good.

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And so, you know, Silver Nemesis is a giant mess.

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But the thing is, even the bits of silver nemesis, which are a

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giant mess, are somehow satisfying.

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So, you know, episode two and half of episode three.

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The Dr. and Ace just spend it wandering around the countryside. but

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they spend it wandering around the countryside defeating the

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cybermen with jazz. which is sort of really. whistling weirdly and

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like listening to jazz and lying in fields.

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Because it's because Clark was a fan, and so was Cartmull and

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Courtney Pine, the acid jazz movement, it was called.

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And he'd only been, he'd been in the charts for about 2 months.

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This was his new sound.

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That thing you're hearing, you think, oh, yeah, I hear that in a

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100 soundtracks and they use it an version of it as a sampling for

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tennis matches now.

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That was Courtney Pinestown.

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Okay, it's Sonny Rowlands and it's John Coltrane and every great

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sex player that ever lived, but it was Courtney Pine's take.

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And for a musician, this is a really exciting new thing, as much

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as all of this is an exciting new thing.

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I want the duck to stay in.

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Why didn't we get that done?

364
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Okay.

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Nathan, do you know about the duck?

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So Noel Edmund's house party had this thing where he was going to

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on his house party program, had a thing where did you spot the

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duck in this week's drama?

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And then he would get BBC dramas to film a special scene with a

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duck so he could show it on the show and say, no, really, that was

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in it.

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So they shot an alternative version of the 1st ghetto blaster

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scanner screen scene where Ace is calling out to the doctor, he's

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in the TARDIS and he says, duck, and because they've just been

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attacked, she ducks.

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I'm having a massive duck.

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Oh, doesn't it make it to the, there's a special edition?

378
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Do you remember there was a VHS release that had extra footage and

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I think the duck is in it and the games for a portrait is in it?

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Yeah, and Silv actually wanted the duck scene to be in the final

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program because he made friends with the duck.

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Yes, he did.

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The duck was following silver around all day and cracking after

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him like, yeah, because he kept feeding it.

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So he thought it was his mother.

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It's lovely.

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Dr. Seuss wrote all the dialogue for the duck for that.

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When I was a teenager.

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My brother had a duck as a pet for a few years and they are

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incredibly affectionate, lovely.

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Like it was a really, really cute duck.

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I can't repeat its name because we would need the explicit tank.

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So the Gainsborough portrait scene, on the VHS, there is the

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extended edition for the DVD.

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They made it just deleted scenes and there are actually some

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deleted scenes missing because it was a, it was a very quick

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package. because they're gorgeous.

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It was a quick package, wasn't it, so to speak?

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I gather there's some kind of rights issues tied up, which was

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also tied up in the American making of special that was made for

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this as well, because that's only on the video.

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The Doco, and they kept following them around and annoying the

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buggery out of everyone.

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This was apparently, according to Sylv and Sophie, the hardest one

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to film of every single story they ever did.

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They said this was so tough.

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Time was against them.

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It wasn't the story that bankrupted the Hooniverse, and, you know

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one of the reasons they say it was axed, was not actually Michael

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Grade's dissociation and indifference.

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It was because the happiness patrol.

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You wouldn't get it.

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We didn't mention it last story, but the Happiness Patrol

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bankrupted the Doctor Who production office.

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What a good one to do it on though.

416
00:17:44.099 --> 00:17:46.319
But yeah, it also looks the cheap business.

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I'll see how they did that.

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Yeah, they lost a lot of time with filming, just with a lot of

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little accidents, things like so...

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The cyberman costumes were completely new, of course.

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It was a new kind of lighter suit. but was actually hotter for the

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actors to wear.

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It split at the crotch.

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There were cricket gloves.

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Um, the, they have a cricket gloves.

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The helmets were redesigned to be cricket boxes.

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If only they had those, they would have done fine.

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The helmets were designed to...

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The helmet.

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Well, the helmets were designed to be shiny, but also they were

431
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redesigned to be easily removeable because during Attack at the

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side and during Earth Shock as well. just died of asphyxiation.

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Well, they had attacks of claustrophobia.

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So it was designed to get them out easily.

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The problem the problem was, however, because everything was so

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rushed, some of the helmets had jagged metal inside of them, which

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literally pierced an extras ear.

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Oh, God.

439
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So they also had a new coating, a chrome paint that was incredibly

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expensive, but it oxidised outside the studio gold.

441
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Yeah, so they had to come up with a different type.

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Meta, isn't it?

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I've got perfect casting for this story.

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Can I just throw it in?

445
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Yep.

446
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It shouldn't have been Anton differing.

447
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It should have been Kenneth Williams.

448
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He was still with us.

449
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It should have been exactly Charles Hawtree.

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Could have been Richard.

451
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Yes.

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And I think we could have had Hattie Jakes as Lady Painful.

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And Barbara Windsor Castle as a Rundle Castle.

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We'd all been romping around inside Barbara Windsor.

455
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Yeah, so that works.

456
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So there were actually days where the documentary crew was meant

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to go out on the shoot and JNT said, look, I'm really sorry.

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We just have so much to do that you cannot come out this day. and

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you're really, and you're really annoying.

460
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They really, really were.

461
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And even Gary Downey.

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Who had a reputation?

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Do you know that he and Sophie, at this point, we can throw it in

464
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now because it's convention circuit gossip, had a bit of a little

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bit of a moment, a bit of a discussion.

466
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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, I'm like, naffing off.

468
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I'm bogging off in my upper middle class manner, if you, because I

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am, it's official. on the DVDs.

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I'm up in middle class, you bog, and I'm going at bog face.

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Are you?

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I'm going to toe rag.

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I'm going to off and you can as well.

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She did.

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She did on set.

476
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She kind of had a reason to because he was being just a little bit

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bossy.

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But at the same time, being JNT's partner, I think he also

479
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understood, like, oh, I don't know if they were partners. they

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were.

481
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Yeah they were. was the point that this thing has no money.

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You have to get this in the can.

483
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Yeah, what it was was, she kept flubbing her lines on a certain

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scene.

485
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It was also hard being outside.

486
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Yeah, bloody duck.

487
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Just wouldn't let go, would it?

488
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And also for an event they went to for publicity, she had

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contracted food poisoning halfway through the shoot.

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So it was dealing with that.

491
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It was all of that custard tinned corn, wasn't it?

492
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Yeah, well, greatest show in the galaxy, which had been shot

493
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before this, of course.

494
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Gary Downey also had disagreements on that with the set designer

495
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which we'll discuss next week.

496
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And not only that, but during remembrance of the Daleks, Sophie

497
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and J and T had actually had a falling out, which by this point

498
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had been repaired.

499
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Yeah, Sophie's a good.

500
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Yeah, I forgot to mention this all the time, but pretty much she

501
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had had to stay late for recording, which was absolutely fine.

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But she just said to JNT, well, look, can I get a taxi home?

503
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Because it's going to be difficult for me to get home. little girl

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sometime.

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And apparently JNT lost it, but they rebonded over Greater Show.

506
00:21:19.559 --> 00:21:22.380
But yeah, this was a very tense production.

507
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Not helped by Doctor Who Bulletin. we know about this?

508
00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:31.799
Yeah, Gary Levy, Levy, and oh, the photos they took on site are

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just exquisite.

510
00:21:32.940 --> 00:21:37.259
A blackboard or, you know, a bit of wood, silver in the middle of

511
00:21:37.259 --> 00:21:38.400
a field, looking cross.

512
00:21:38.460 --> 00:21:40.079
Anyway, what were they doing?

513
00:21:40.140 --> 00:21:42.299
Well, they bombed the site, in other words.

514
00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:46.559
Photo bombed themselves into the site and interrupted and actually

515
00:21:46.559 --> 00:21:49.380
did a little bit of mock terrorist fan action.

516
00:21:49.380 --> 00:21:52.799
Gary Levy's a bit of a case, isn't he, in his day?

517
00:21:52.859 --> 00:21:59.099
So, the cameo artiste, Dolores Gray, who plays Mrs. Red.

518
00:21:59.160 --> 00:22:02.460
She was in um, God, was she in Follies as well?

519
00:22:02.519 --> 00:22:03.059
Yes, she was.

520
00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:04.019
She was in Follies.

521
00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:05.400
She's wonderful.

522
00:22:05.460 --> 00:22:06.119
I really like her.

523
00:22:06.180 --> 00:22:07.200
It's complete padding.

524
00:22:07.259 --> 00:22:11.160
It's completely able to be excised from the story with no real

525
00:22:11.160 --> 00:22:13.200
effect. entirely refuse that that's ever done.

526
00:22:13.259 --> 00:22:15.480
But it's got some of the greatest lines.

527
00:22:15.539 --> 00:22:17.279
She's really wonderful.

528
00:22:17.640 --> 00:22:23.400
So what happened was Sheldon Collings and Gary Lee from Doctor Who

529
00:22:23.400 --> 00:22:26.759
Bulletin turned up to take photographs of Dolores.

530
00:22:26.819 --> 00:22:30.119
Now, John didn't have a great relationship with Doctor Who

531
00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:32.640
Bulletin, but, you know, still gave them news and whatnot.

532
00:22:32.700 --> 00:22:35.039
But what the problem was here.

533
00:22:35.039 --> 00:22:37.019
No, they'd been at war for several years.

534
00:22:37.079 --> 00:22:39.480
Oh, yeah, but they still got information from the production

535
00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:40.140
office at times.

536
00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:44.460
But what had happened here was the Daily Mail had been given the

537
00:22:44.460 --> 00:22:47.579
exclusive on Dolores Gray being in the show.

538
00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:51.240
So John thought, hold on, if they take photographs, that's going

539
00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:54.839
to break our exclusivity, which of course didn't help the feud

540
00:22:54.839 --> 00:22:55.920
between them.

541
00:22:55.980 --> 00:22:58.380
That's actually going to be.

542
00:22:58.440 --> 00:22:59.940
That's actually going to be season 3 of you.

543
00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:01.440
JNT and DWB.

544
00:23:01.500 --> 00:23:02.759
I'd watch that.

545
00:23:02.819 --> 00:23:04.680
Gary Levy was a bit of a toty in his time.

546
00:23:05.579 --> 00:23:10.200
Yeah, so, you know, with all those problems. wonder the it's a

547
00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:11.519
wonder the episode got made at all.

548
00:23:11.579 --> 00:23:17.400
The stuff in the hangar at the end, a lot of it was, as the cast

549
00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:20.160
put it, semi-improvised, you know, we had the script, but we

550
00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:20.759
didn't rehearse.

551
00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:21.960
And a bit dangerous.

552
00:23:22.140 --> 00:23:27.240
I'm astounded by how brave Sophie is going on that gantry with

553
00:23:27.240 --> 00:23:28.500
that massive drop below.

554
00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:30.359
Which he was told was 20 feet.

555
00:23:31.259 --> 00:23:32.880
It wasn't.

556
00:23:32.940 --> 00:23:36.539
The novelisation, I think the script originally sets all that

557
00:23:36.539 --> 00:23:37.619
stuff in a building site.

558
00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:40.920
And because you've got this sort of huge, huge space.

559
00:23:40.980 --> 00:23:42.720
Like, I think it looks terrific.

560
00:23:42.779 --> 00:23:43.559
It's a great thing.

561
00:23:43.680 --> 00:23:44.339
It a Nissan hangar.

562
00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:45.299
Do you know what that site is now?

563
00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:46.619
They knocked it down.

564
00:23:46.680 --> 00:23:49.440
It's the millennium Dome. knocked that down too, haven't they?

565
00:23:49.500 --> 00:23:50.579
have to go and have a look.

566
00:23:50.640 --> 00:23:52.259
I mean, they literally...

567
00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:54.720
It is now the side of the millennium dome afterwards, yeah.

568
00:23:54.779 --> 00:23:57.720
They knocked that warehouse down like within a week.

569
00:23:57.720 --> 00:23:59.579
The course of this show.

570
00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:01.740
But yeah, the building site is what it originally was in the

571
00:24:01.740 --> 00:24:02.160
script.

572
00:24:02.220 --> 00:24:05.819
They had a building site lined up, which withdrew permission about

573
00:24:05.819 --> 00:24:09.480
2 weeks before the shoot, and Gary Downey actually contacted the

574
00:24:09.480 --> 00:24:12.119
gas board, who recommended this place.

575
00:24:12.180 --> 00:24:13.680
So it's interesting.

576
00:24:13.680 --> 00:24:16.079
Just happened to be bringing a gas ball because he liked to, you

577
00:24:16.079 --> 00:24:17.279
know, make prank calls.

578
00:24:17.640 --> 00:24:21.359
Me pilot's gone out again, that kind of thing.

579
00:24:21.420 --> 00:24:22.740
You get the drift.

580
00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:25.259
They did find a disused power station they could have used, but

581
00:24:25.259 --> 00:24:28.619
they would have had to pay 30,000 pounds to have it decontaminated

582
00:24:28.619 --> 00:24:29.700
before going in.

583
00:24:29.940 --> 00:24:33.119
Normally they didn't care enough about the anchors to bother doing

584
00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:33.779
that, I think.

585
00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:36.359
Yeah, and well, this was the last story.

586
00:24:36.420 --> 00:24:37.799
To shoot.

587
00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:43.140
Yeah, but despite all that, there is a lot in this story I love.

588
00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:46.380
And you know, a lot of it, I think, is down to Fiona Walker, who

589
00:24:46.380 --> 00:24:47.700
is just exquisite.

590
00:24:47.819 --> 00:24:50.819
Yeah, fabulously crazy, isn't she?

591
00:24:50.880 --> 00:24:51.900
Like really, really great.

592
00:24:52.140 --> 00:24:55.559
I think she's absolutely dead right on tone for this.

593
00:24:55.680 --> 00:24:57.420
She overplays it sure.

594
00:24:57.480 --> 00:25:00.539
But she's doing Jacobean drama, not Shakespearean.

595
00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:02.160
The much darker Jamesie and stuff.

596
00:25:02.220 --> 00:25:06.779
Gerard Murphy was in the IRC at the time and glow as beautifully.

597
00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:10.259
And he's actually, if we want to rescue despots, dictators, and

598
00:25:10.259 --> 00:25:13.680
murderers, I do like that he becomes all lovely and comely and

599
00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:17.339
squishy at the end, but he's a freaking killer. for the beginning

600
00:25:17.339 --> 00:25:17.819
of it.

601
00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:19.140
Yeah, no, he's the dark bastard.

602
00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:22.140
But no, we all love him. and Silv strokes his beard and the

603
00:25:22.140 --> 00:25:24.000
outtakes. to see that.

604
00:25:24.059 --> 00:25:27.059
There's a lot of iambic pentameter actually in the dialogue.

605
00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:30.299
Clark wanted to write all of their lines and they said, no one

606
00:25:30.299 --> 00:25:31.200
actually talked like that.

607
00:25:31.259 --> 00:25:36.359
No, but you want to make them sound like that in 1638.

608
00:25:36.539 --> 00:25:37.680
I think it's really...

609
00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:39.359
I think I'd like to believe that Fiona walked.

610
00:25:39.420 --> 00:25:41.819
Oh, they get the dates all horribly wrong and it's also silly.

611
00:25:41.819 --> 00:25:44.940
And, you know, she's got roundheads in her backyard, hasn't she?

612
00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:46.680
But that was it didn't happen for another 10 years.

613
00:25:46.740 --> 00:25:50.160
The new model army wasn't even formed in 1638.

614
00:25:50.339 --> 00:25:51.779
She gets all horribly horribly wrong.

615
00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:54.240
Can we talk about antecedents where this show comes from?

616
00:25:54.299 --> 00:25:55.079
Yes.

617
00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:56.819
You know what actually does come from somewhere?

618
00:25:56.880 --> 00:25:58.140
Really?

619
00:25:58.140 --> 00:25:59.640
And it's proper...

620
00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:00.299
Wacky races?

621
00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:01.200
A drug fever.

622
00:26:01.259 --> 00:26:04.920
No, this, does everyone remember a lovely bloke who died in the

623
00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:05.400
90s?

624
00:26:05.460 --> 00:26:07.019
I think he died early 90s, actually.

625
00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:08.579
Gene Schumaker.

626
00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:14.759
Not the movie critic on the NBC late night show with Jane Pauley

627
00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:15.420
not that one.

628
00:26:15.480 --> 00:26:18.599
Gene Shermaker, as in the Shoemaker Levy Comet.

629
00:26:18.660 --> 00:26:22.619
Oh, yes. that was in 92 that... after this show.

630
00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:24.960
Interestingly, that they were picking up on Shoemaker stuff

631
00:26:24.960 --> 00:26:27.539
because that's the 1st time that we saw a comet head into

632
00:26:27.539 --> 00:26:30.539
Jupiter's influence and burnup.

633
00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:31.920
So we got to learn lots of new things.

634
00:26:31.980 --> 00:26:35.039
Schoemaker had a bit of a theory that was a bit of a wild one at

635
00:26:35.039 --> 00:26:35.339
the time.

636
00:26:35.400 --> 00:26:38.880
And he was on TV talking about it and he wrote about, it's a

637
00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:41.400
really interesting and lovely and gentleman and he was a humanist

638
00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:42.299
and a humanitarian.

639
00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:44.099
So he's kind of crops up in other things as well.

640
00:26:44.220 --> 00:26:48.779
He talked about, because, hey, it's the late 80s, and we were all

641
00:26:48.779 --> 00:26:55.079
having acid flashbacks, that perhaps soul in Mutter's spiral, it

642
00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:56.039
actually has a twin.

643
00:26:56.099 --> 00:27:00.539
And he was using this to explain things like our odd.

644
00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:04.559
There are odd orbits of our planets, and we have certainly odd

645
00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:05.400
things that going on.

646
00:27:05.460 --> 00:27:08.220
Mercury one, the inclusion of Pluto.

647
00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:10.380
I not an astronomer, so please correct me, do listener.

648
00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:14.039
But one of his suppositions, he wasn't the only one that was

649
00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:21.599
saying it, was that our son is in a 26000000 year cycle with its

650
00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:25.619
binary star, which we can't see because it's a neutron star long

651
00:27:25.619 --> 00:27:25.980
did.

652
00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:27.720
Do you know the name he gave?

653
00:27:27.779 --> 00:27:29.039
That neutron star?

654
00:27:29.099 --> 00:27:29.880
Nemesis.

655
00:27:29.940 --> 00:27:31.500
It was called MSS.

656
00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:33.180
And it's a little theory.

657
00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:33.720
You can look at that.

658
00:27:33.779 --> 00:27:34.559
Little theory at the time.

659
00:27:34.619 --> 00:27:37.799
And he was using it to explain, and of course, the cabalists and

660
00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:41.700
the neo-black aquariums that we've talked about, you know, alcohol

661
00:27:41.700 --> 00:27:42.900
stuff will always come up.

662
00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:47.339
But he also hypothesised that every 26000000 years, all for things

663
00:27:47.339 --> 00:27:50.759
like, oh, those dinosaurs were going to go anyway.

664
00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:55.799
So yes, again, Matthew's entire career. completely wasted killing

665
00:27:55.799 --> 00:27:56.819
himself for no good reason.

666
00:27:56.880 --> 00:27:58.980
Yeah, yeah, every 26000000 years.

667
00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:03.660
And he does posit that when this came about that that's why the

668
00:28:03.660 --> 00:28:04.619
Donis was wiped out.

669
00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:07.259
And actually we're due for it at the beginning of the 21st

670
00:28:07.259 --> 00:28:07.680
century.

671
00:28:07.740 --> 00:28:12.660
Right, so... the idea... the nemesis coming back every 25 years

672
00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:16.380
every time the land dragger is going to swallow the moon. yes, very

673
00:28:16.380 --> 00:28:16.799
bad time.

674
00:28:16.859 --> 00:28:20.819
Your cock is going to crow thrice and lay out will be.

675
00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:22.500
That's right, Nathan.

676
00:28:22.980 --> 00:28:25.200
It's not a duck at all.

677
00:28:25.259 --> 00:28:27.779
Lady Pain Forts horses did turn and eat each other.

678
00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:30.000
Do you know why she's called painful?

679
00:28:30.059 --> 00:28:31.619
Because that's what they did to witches.

680
00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:33.359
It was pressing heavy things upon them.

681
00:28:33.420 --> 00:28:34.140
Yeah.

682
00:28:34.140 --> 00:28:35.160
Brian Blissard.

683
00:28:35.220 --> 00:28:36.660
Preston and Brian Blissard upon them.

684
00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:37.319
Yeah.

685
00:28:37.380 --> 00:28:39.720
Well, she throws herself into her own stature. it's a bit

686
00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:40.079
gorgeous.

687
00:28:40.140 --> 00:28:41.819
We've all had moments like that, haven't we?

688
00:28:41.819 --> 00:28:43.019
Oh, yeah, I'm having it now.

689
00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:44.579
Yeah, I was going to say during the podcast.

690
00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:48.539
But isn't that beautiful that the actual one of the antecedents of

691
00:28:48.539 --> 00:28:52.440
this, which is what I do on this podcast, is proper wibbly wobbly

692
00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:53.700
non-science science.

693
00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:55.980
This is a really good story.

694
00:28:56.099 --> 00:29:00.119
I think that's why I really wish the Nazis weren't in there, so we

695
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:01.259
had more time.

696
00:29:01.259 --> 00:29:04.140
Yeah, it should have been. and Charles Hortry.

697
00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:08.099
That being said, just looking over my notes, I have realised that

698
00:29:08.099 --> 00:29:12.180
Kevin Clark's thought with the Nazis, of course, was their

699
00:29:12.180 --> 00:29:15.960
obsession with the occult and the quest for the spear of destiny

700
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:19.619
for which he substitutes the bow and the arrow.

701
00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:22.980
It was much, it was much less silly in the original draft.

702
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:24.720
I think you know what?

703
00:29:24.779 --> 00:29:28.859
I think the big problem is, as we'll discover next year with one

704
00:29:28.859 --> 00:29:33.000
of the 3 parters as well, that he possibly wrote enough for a four

705
00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:34.559
part story for a three-part slot.

706
00:29:34.619 --> 00:29:38.160
It's actually a problem in the Carmel era, which is that the

707
00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:39.480
scripts come in too long.

708
00:29:39.539 --> 00:29:43.559
This doesn't have to be, like, think about Curse of Fenrick had a

709
00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:44.099
special edition.

710
00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:46.019
We had a special edition of this.

711
00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:49.140
There are some really, really horrific edits, I think, in

712
00:29:49.140 --> 00:29:53.940
Happiness Patrol, where you can see we come into scenes much later

713
00:29:53.940 --> 00:29:55.440
than we should be.

714
00:29:55.500 --> 00:29:58.680
And so that does tend to be a problem and it does affect what's

715
00:29:58.680 --> 00:29:59.279
going on here.

716
00:29:59.339 --> 00:30:02.940
But it does mean it's sort of, it's, you know, it does feel quite

717
00:30:02.940 --> 00:30:04.319
contemporary, doesn't it?

718
00:30:04.380 --> 00:30:04.740
jump.

719
00:30:04.859 --> 00:30:05.400
Yeah.

720
00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:05.940
Yeah.

721
00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:06.420
You know what?

722
00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:08.279
If this had been the studio bound story.

723
00:30:08.339 --> 00:30:10.259
This would have been much worse.

724
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:14.160
Being on location helps it because there is a sense of movement

725
00:30:14.220 --> 00:30:15.180
fun.

726
00:30:15.299 --> 00:30:19.380
And, you know, the weird thing is, though, it's got llamas.

727
00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:20.940
And as llamas.

728
00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:25.559
It's the 25th time, according to the facts that llamas have

729
00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:26.220
appeared on screen.

730
00:30:28.500 --> 00:30:33.180
Paul McGann's wig is actually made out of fur from wool from those

731
00:30:33.180 --> 00:30:33.779
llamas.

732
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:37.980
But even with these pacing issues, we still have the scene with

733
00:30:37.980 --> 00:30:39.960
Dolore is great, which is wonderful.

734
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:44.640
But, you know, is she?

735
00:30:44.700 --> 00:30:46.440
Why is she here?

736
00:30:46.500 --> 00:30:50.220
It's one of 2 vignettes to kind of show Lady Painful interacting

737
00:30:50.220 --> 00:30:56.819
with the modern day, but using Lady Remington and the skinheads as

738
00:30:56.819 --> 00:30:59.759
2 sort of hyper real examples of the modern day.

739
00:30:59.819 --> 00:31:01.500
Many found it so.

740
00:31:01.799 --> 00:31:05.940
I mean, the interaction with Lady Pay it for...

741
00:31:05.940 --> 00:31:11.099
Mrs. Remington is so great just because Lady Painfold has poisoned

742
00:31:11.099 --> 00:31:14.220
one of Mrs. Remington...

743
00:31:14.220 --> 00:31:16.980
I think that scene is slightly more worthy because it's the

744
00:31:16.980 --> 00:31:20.519
explanation of how they get back to the hangar. you know.

745
00:31:20.579 --> 00:31:24.539
But the 2 scenes with the skinheads are complete comic relief, but

746
00:31:24.539 --> 00:31:26.880
they really work because of the punchline.

747
00:31:26.940 --> 00:31:28.019
Like, who did this to you?

748
00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:29.039
social workers.

749
00:31:29.099 --> 00:31:30.240
I don't understand that.

750
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:33.299
Do their social workers normally strip them to their underwear and

751
00:31:33.299 --> 00:31:35.160
tie them up and hang them from a tree?

752
00:31:35.220 --> 00:31:39.839
Because Lady Painfort and Richard are speaking all plummet and

753
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:41.940
what have you, they must be social workers.

754
00:31:42.059 --> 00:31:45.960
So they think they're social workers in the 1st scene and try to

755
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:48.299
mug them at which point they string them up in a tree and burn

756
00:31:48.299 --> 00:31:48.900
their clothes.

757
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:52.980
And it's just the doctor's reaction of just, Ace, come and help me

758
00:31:52.980 --> 00:31:53.819
get these people down.

759
00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:56.220
And, you know, then we never see them again.

760
00:31:56.279 --> 00:32:00.180
We have no idea if they have to go back to town in their boxes.

761
00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:04.559
And yeah, one of them's wearing like cartoon boxes covered in

762
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:04.920
kisses.

763
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:10.740
It's a wonderful, absurd thing that you'd never get in Star Trek

764
00:32:10.740 --> 00:32:11.880
for God's sake.

765
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:13.319
Well, fun, yes.

766
00:32:13.380 --> 00:32:16.380
But, you know, I'm like the lady rubbing disease.

767
00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:19.680
It just has no plot impact whatsoever, and the Mrs. Ervington

768
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:21.119
scene has a very little plot impact.

769
00:32:21.180 --> 00:32:25.259
I really love that Dolores Gray is named after an intimate shaving

770
00:32:25.259 --> 00:32:25.680
device.

771
00:32:25.740 --> 00:32:27.119
The lady people.

772
00:32:27.420 --> 00:32:32.640
So in the 1st draft when the American tourist was referred to as

773
00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:37.380
Mr. Remington, they were trying to get Larry Hagman.

774
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:38.519
Oh, my God.

775
00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:39.480
And they couldn't.

776
00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:42.779
They almost did because one of the cast members had just worked

777
00:32:42.779 --> 00:32:43.799
with him and were mates.

778
00:32:43.859 --> 00:32:47.519
Yeah, I get I get to wear that outfit, like the pearls and the

779
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:48.059
clothes.

780
00:32:48.119 --> 00:32:49.440
He's actually up for that kind of thing.

781
00:32:49.500 --> 00:32:50.220
Yeah, yeah.

782
00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:51.839
It was really saucy and naughty.

783
00:32:51.900 --> 00:32:54.480
Apparently, he was the he was the scallywag on the set of I Drew

784
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:57.059
Magini, and the reason the show went so long, and the cast all

785
00:32:57.059 --> 00:32:57.839
stayed together.

786
00:32:57.900 --> 00:33:00.180
You didn't get cast changes like you did in a lot of other 60s

787
00:33:00.180 --> 00:33:00.480
shows.

788
00:33:00.539 --> 00:33:02.880
It's because Hagman was a...

789
00:33:02.940 --> 00:33:03.420
Yeah, exactly.

790
00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:06.599
But Hagman was a real piss taker on set and everyone, it was a

791
00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:07.440
rough working with it.

792
00:33:07.500 --> 00:33:08.640
Super, super clever.

793
00:33:08.700 --> 00:33:13.200
Almost bipolar is in his book, if you ever used to sit and read

794
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:14.099
that in the school library.

795
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:15.839
I wonder what my librarian was like.

796
00:33:15.900 --> 00:33:17.339
She used to buy a lot of these things.

797
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:20.279
But yeah, yeah, he had that very Peter Sellers, manic, depressive

798
00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:24.660
thing, but when he was up, he was really naughty. much like this

799
00:33:24.660 --> 00:33:25.259
podcast.

800
00:33:25.380 --> 00:33:29.460
Well, I gather he was up for it, but it was kind of a scheduling

801
00:33:29.460 --> 00:33:29.759
thing.

802
00:33:29.819 --> 00:33:33.240
Whereas Dolores Gray was performing in the UK at the time.

803
00:33:33.299 --> 00:33:38.759
She was performing in Follies at the time. famously and probably

804
00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:39.779
everyone's heard the story.

805
00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:43.920
But when her chauffeur came to drive her to set.

806
00:33:43.980 --> 00:33:45.960
She got to set and said, where are my jewels?

807
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:52.380
And she just left this suitcase full of jewels on the pavement

808
00:33:52.380 --> 00:33:54.960
because people just pack her luggage.

809
00:33:55.019 --> 00:33:56.400
That's what they do.

810
00:33:56.460 --> 00:33:59.339
And thankfully, the caretaker of the building had come out and

811
00:33:59.339 --> 00:34:00.599
spotted it and brought it in.

812
00:34:00.660 --> 00:34:04.680
Peter Capaldi. and sent it on.

813
00:34:04.740 --> 00:34:08.159
It was £25,000 worth of uninsured jewels.

814
00:34:08.219 --> 00:34:11.460
The production didn't know she was bringing them, but she just

815
00:34:11.460 --> 00:34:13.559
went, oh, darling, these will go lovely with my dress.

816
00:34:13.619 --> 00:34:14.460
Where are my jewels?

817
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:17.219
Yeah, and... she...

818
00:34:17.219 --> 00:34:19.800
And horrible in the back of that car.

819
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:20.940
It was rancid.

820
00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:24.480
You know that look when you've got Richard leaning in?

821
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:27.000
And she's sitting there and she says, oh, no, you're coming.

822
00:34:27.059 --> 00:34:28.679
And the reason they look like, it's not because he doesn't know

823
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:29.880
how to open door handles.

824
00:34:29.940 --> 00:34:31.380
Of course, it stinks like a zoo.

825
00:34:32.460 --> 00:34:34.679
Stinks like a pert wee figure.

826
00:34:34.739 --> 00:34:35.519
It does.

827
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:40.500
Now, of course, Kevin Clark.

828
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:46.559
It's it's kind of weird, you know, all the writers brief. was we

829
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:49.199
want to bring back mystery to the character of the doctor.

830
00:34:49.260 --> 00:34:52.920
So Kevin Clark and Andrew Cartmel interpreted this as, so in Kevin

831
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:55.440
Glant's script, we'll reveal something huge about him.

832
00:34:55.500 --> 00:34:56.940
So...

833
00:34:56.940 --> 00:34:58.679
Behave.

834
00:34:59.340 --> 00:35:05.340
So Kevin Clark's concept was, let's reveal that the doctor is God

835
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:06.539
love that.

836
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:09.539
Well, that's well, Carnwell claims it as his own.

837
00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:10.199
Oh, okay.

838
00:35:10.260 --> 00:35:12.000
Well, JNT hated it and vetoed it.

839
00:35:12.059 --> 00:35:12.599
Of course he did.

840
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:16.019
But yeah, because they kind of saw it as if he's got Godlike

841
00:35:16.019 --> 00:35:17.940
powers, why doesn't he do this?

842
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:18.780
Why doesn't he do that?

843
00:35:19.380 --> 00:35:21.000
Does he spend episode 3 locked up?

844
00:35:21.059 --> 00:35:25.980
Yeah, but Carlos point was that, no, his manipulation all through

845
00:35:25.980 --> 00:35:29.099
human history is that, you know, in our world, he is actually our

846
00:35:29.099 --> 00:35:31.380
god across all religions.

847
00:35:31.500 --> 00:35:34.800
Well, you know, because Pertwee was almost Buddha for a little

848
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:35.099
while.

849
00:35:35.219 --> 00:35:36.960
It does introduce us to fire.

850
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:38.340
That's true.

851
00:35:38.340 --> 00:35:39.179
He does.

852
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:40.199
Isn't that St.

853
00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:41.159
Eileen way, though?

854
00:35:41.219 --> 00:35:42.780
But no, no.

855
00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:44.820
She was the Loki all the time, wasn't she?

856
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:46.139
She wouldn't let us have the phone.

857
00:35:46.260 --> 00:35:50.519
But the problem, I think, with that is, if you do do that and you

858
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:52.380
follow it to its natural conclusion, what do you get?

859
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:54.300
You get death comes to time.

860
00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:55.500
Ouch.

861
00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:57.420
No one wants that And you know what?

862
00:35:57.480 --> 00:36:00.000
That comes to time is a very interesting concept, but you think

863
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:02.460
about the fact that the doctors are god and has these godlike

864
00:36:02.460 --> 00:36:02.820
powers.

865
00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:04.619
He uses them spoiler alert.

866
00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:07.440
No one wants to listen to death comes to time. got it. listened to

867
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:07.679
it once.

868
00:36:07.739 --> 00:36:12.179
I do apologise because I believe the writer being Colin Meek was

869
00:36:12.179 --> 00:36:14.159
actually Nev found it. thought it was Dan.

870
00:36:14.219 --> 00:36:15.360
Dan the director.

871
00:36:15.420 --> 00:36:16.500
I'm not sure who.

872
00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:17.639
Is it Nev who wrote it?

873
00:36:17.699 --> 00:36:18.960
I could be wrong.

874
00:36:19.019 --> 00:36:21.840
The point is, we all thought this is completely naff and silly, and

875
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:23.639
we need to also mention as Ace does.

876
00:36:23.699 --> 00:36:25.440
You know how she mentions NAF in this in this show?

877
00:36:25.500 --> 00:36:28.139
Nef is polare for heterosexual.

878
00:36:28.500 --> 00:36:31.019
It was nap and it was boring.

879
00:36:31.139 --> 00:36:36.239
Um, But a lot of these ideas were actually cartwolves, like

880
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:38.820
sending Ace to Timewald Universityschool.com.

881
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:40.679
I thought, that's stupid.

882
00:36:40.739 --> 00:36:43.079
But yeah, that was the original plan.

883
00:36:43.139 --> 00:36:46.380
That's what they were going to do, as we'll find out for season 27

884
00:36:46.380 --> 00:36:46.619
perhaps.

885
00:36:46.739 --> 00:36:49.980
The thing is, when death comes to time came out, I loved it, and I

886
00:36:49.980 --> 00:36:50.880
still...

887
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:52.440
Stephen Fryers, the Minister of Chance.

888
00:36:52.500 --> 00:36:54.360
Jacqueline Pierce is in it?

889
00:36:54.420 --> 00:36:59.579
But I still kind of love the ideas, but how is making the doctor

890
00:36:59.579 --> 00:37:01.860
God and giving him godlike powers?

891
00:37:01.860 --> 00:37:06.179
Yes. any different to having the screwdriver unlock everything and

892
00:37:06.179 --> 00:37:07.860
canine hack into everything.

893
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:10.860
And in fact, if we hadn't had death comes to time, we wouldn't

894
00:37:10.860 --> 00:37:12.960
have had you in your lovely cosplay, would we?

895
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:18.300
I have got that on the flight through Entirety Facebook. is a bit

896
00:37:18.300 --> 00:37:18.539
lovely.

897
00:37:18.599 --> 00:37:24.000
The cosplaying as Sylvester in Death comes to time, along with.

898
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:24.780
In a frock?

899
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:28.199
Along with friend of the podcast, Aaron Kleimas cosplaying as the

900
00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:29.519
new adventures 7th doctor.

901
00:37:29.579 --> 00:37:30.900
Aaron J.

902
00:37:30.900 --> 00:37:31.559
Clymers went.

903
00:37:31.619 --> 00:37:33.539
I don't think he was even allowed to drink then.

904
00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:34.679
That's how young he was.

905
00:37:35.340 --> 00:37:37.440
Yeah, bit about that, huh?

906
00:37:37.500 --> 00:37:41.219
So instead, I think what we get instead is...

907
00:37:41.280 --> 00:37:46.380
I think what we get instead is better because it's painful

908
00:37:46.380 --> 00:37:50.159
alluding that she knows secrets and it creates fun.

909
00:37:50.219 --> 00:37:51.239
It's fun, exactly.

910
00:37:51.300 --> 00:37:52.619
It's not.

911
00:37:52.619 --> 00:37:54.119
I wasn't born.

912
00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:56.820
It's not the doctor's name is Cecil, you know?

913
00:37:56.940 --> 00:37:58.920
It's Gordon anyway.

914
00:37:58.980 --> 00:38:00.119
We all know.

915
00:38:00.659 --> 00:38:02.940
I shan't tell them.

916
00:38:02.940 --> 00:38:04.500
And that's the beautiful compact.

917
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:06.179
I can't tell them like, no one can.

918
00:38:06.300 --> 00:38:07.980
Yeah, and I see his response.

919
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:08.880
No what?

920
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:10.380
The casual viewer couldn't give us stuff.

921
00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:12.000
Who is watching this?

922
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.239
Who isn't one, you know, who of the not we is watching this?

923
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:17.280
23rd of November means what?

924
00:38:17.340 --> 00:38:21.239
And if you weren't there in 62. you wouldn't have even known.

925
00:38:21.300 --> 00:38:22.980
And it's the 22nd anyway.

926
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:24.780
That's the Kennedy assassination.

927
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:26.519
You wouldn't have even known that that happened.

928
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:31.199
Well, I think it does tell us something because those mysteries

929
00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:35.639
can't be solved, can't be answered because the answer has to be

930
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:36.179
uninteresting.

931
00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:37.559
Exactly.

932
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:38.940
And it's a good idea.

933
00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:42.360
Like Carmel's instinct to kind of reintroduce some kind of

934
00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:44.280
ambiguity about the doctor's origin.

935
00:38:44.340 --> 00:38:47.760
That's a great idea, but he can't ever reveal it without wrecking

936
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:50.699
it, I think, because then it's just another tedious origin story.

937
00:38:50.820 --> 00:38:54.059
Well, yeah, and and you know, we're all in accord on that.

938
00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:56.340
And Todd and James are in accord on that as well.

939
00:38:56.400 --> 00:38:58.980
That was, in our Stones of Blood commentary a couple of weeks ago

940
00:38:58.980 --> 00:39:01.619
we discussed that and Todger said, I don't ever want to find out.

941
00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:03.000
What is the point of finding out?

942
00:39:03.059 --> 00:39:05.699
Yeah, why does the doctor leave Gallifrey?

943
00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:06.539
tells us nothing.

944
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:07.019
Yeah.

945
00:39:07.019 --> 00:39:07.559
You know?

946
00:39:07.619 --> 00:39:08.639
Where is he?

947
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:09.840
Bloody Clara.

948
00:39:09.900 --> 00:39:14.880
I'm thinking it was like he had like massive, massive overdue fees

949
00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:15.840
at civic video.

950
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:21.539
I think he was trying to get away from his granddaughter.

951
00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:23.099
Oh damn.

952
00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:24.599
Why are you in here?

953
00:39:24.659 --> 00:39:25.980
Anyway, they loom.

954
00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:27.960
Talking of a whoomed granddaughter.

955
00:39:28.019 --> 00:39:29.639
It's like a hand knitted granddaughter.

956
00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:32.400
In Kevin Clark's original script, because he went back and looked

957
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:34.739
it up in the Doctor Who monster book, because Carol Anne's in

958
00:39:34.739 --> 00:39:34.920
there.

959
00:39:34.980 --> 00:39:38.039
He did have references to...

960
00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:39.179
She's in the monster book.

961
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:39.960
There's a reason for that.

962
00:39:40.019 --> 00:39:44.699
When Richard and Lady Painful are discussing the doctor, it is he

963
00:39:44.699 --> 00:39:45.420
et cetera, et cetera.

964
00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:47.940
There was going to be more saying, you know, his face has changed

965
00:39:47.940 --> 00:39:50.460
and so has that of the wench and he was going to go on and

966
00:39:50.460 --> 00:39:53.639
describe Billy and Susan.

967
00:39:53.699 --> 00:39:59.219
And the idea was much like remembrance of the Daleks, where it's

968
00:39:59.219 --> 00:40:01.619
Billy dropping off the hand of Omega.

969
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:06.239
It's also when he left Galafraid, that's when he took the Veladium

970
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:12.539
statue with him. as well as the as well as the worshipful and

971
00:40:12.539 --> 00:40:13.920
ancient law of galafrey.

972
00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:14.880
Yeah.

973
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:19.260
TARDIS was really full of...

974
00:40:19.260 --> 00:40:24.360
Timothy Dalton's pyjamas. yeah that's right But yeah, this posing

975
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:25.679
pouch of rational.

976
00:40:25.739 --> 00:40:30.780
This brings us to...

977
00:40:30.780 --> 00:40:35.639
This brings us to what Ace points out in the final scene, whereas

978
00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:38.280
this is exactly what you did to the bloody Daleks.

979
00:40:38.340 --> 00:40:40.619
And I think if this...

980
00:40:40.619 --> 00:40:41.639
Commode of the other.

981
00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:45.599
Do you actually think that there was some intention of actually

982
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:47.880
wiping out the cybermen completely?

983
00:40:47.940 --> 00:40:51.900
You know, I think it may be that they're trying to restate the

984
00:40:51.900 --> 00:40:52.739
mystery of the show.

985
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:56.219
So let's kiss goodbye to all the old stuff.

986
00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:57.420
So we get rid of Daleks.

987
00:40:57.480 --> 00:40:59.340
We get rid of the side, but in such a way we can always bring them

988
00:40:59.340 --> 00:41:04.440
back if we want to. system of Christopher Robbie. that in there

989
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:04.920
didn't he?

990
00:41:04.980 --> 00:41:05.940
But that's the thing.

991
00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:09.599
I think this works so well as the season finale because instead of

992
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:12.599
just being the same plot as Remembrance of the Daleks, it's a

993
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:13.019
bookend.

994
00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:15.539
The doctor starts the season by getting rid of the Daleks.

995
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:17.579
He ends the season by getting rid of the cybermen.

996
00:41:17.699 --> 00:41:23.880
And in the middle, we have 2 strange stories about overthrowing an

997
00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:26.039
evil government and destroying ancient gods.

998
00:41:26.099 --> 00:41:27.059
And hippies.

999
00:41:27.179 --> 00:41:27.599
You know.

1000
00:41:27.659 --> 00:41:29.159
So Ace point...

1001
00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:33.179
Ace pointing out, oh, you know, that's how you nobbled the

1002
00:41:33.179 --> 00:41:33.780
Daleks.

1003
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:36.900
It's a callback rather than a lampshade.

1004
00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:40.860
And it also is giving him some kind of purpose.

1005
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:46.079
Remember, he says to the statue that he still needs her because

1006
00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:47.760
things are still in perfect.

1007
00:41:47.820 --> 00:41:48.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1008
00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:53.639
I kind of think that giving him a mission is kind of what they

1009
00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:55.559
sort of need to do.

1010
00:41:55.619 --> 00:41:57.059
Bionic woman, 6000000 person.

1011
00:41:57.119 --> 00:41:59.820
Well, I mean, I like the idea that the doctor just travels because

1012
00:41:59.820 --> 00:42:00.900
he wants to see the universe.

1013
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:02.940
That's what we do because we're lazy.

1014
00:42:04.380 --> 00:42:05.340
I don't want to have to do anything.

1015
00:42:06.179 --> 00:42:09.059
Like Pierce Davis...

1016
00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:12.960
Every other episode of this season, every other story of this

1017
00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:14.099
season is a mission.

1018
00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:15.119
Yeah, it turns out.

1019
00:42:15.179 --> 00:42:16.139
So was Dragonfire?

1020
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:16.860
Yes.

1021
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:17.400
Yep.

1022
00:42:17.460 --> 00:42:22.920
But it turns out maybe even Delta was because he was looking for a

1023
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:27.480
warrior companion because he'd realised that Mel could not be what

1024
00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:31.980
he needed to achieve in this life and he that he was looking for

1025
00:42:31.980 --> 00:42:32.699
his Valkyrie.

1026
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:34.739
His Brunhilda.

1027
00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:37.440
I should have just cast Joan Sims.

1028
00:42:37.980 --> 00:42:40.079
It should been terrific.

1029
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:42.599
I mean, what do we think about?

1030
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:44.579
Please fight for mysterious planet, do this?

1031
00:42:45.420 --> 00:42:49.079
So are we okay with the sort of ripoff factor then?

1032
00:42:49.139 --> 00:42:50.460
Mysterious Planner.

1033
00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:52.920
I've never watched it, but it's got James Sims. you need to see

1034
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:53.099
it.

1035
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:54.480
Rip-off factor.

1036
00:42:54.539 --> 00:42:59.099
Well, I mean, what is Doctor Who ever done but rip off and do it

1037
00:42:59.099 --> 00:43:00.599
really nicely by repositing?

1038
00:43:00.659 --> 00:43:02.760
It was the 1st postmodern production on television.

1039
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:06.059
There's about what Nathan said in the very 1st story.

1040
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:07.260
It's about TV itself.

1041
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:08.219
Remember when you said that?

1042
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:09.000
I quite liked that.

1043
00:43:09.059 --> 00:43:10.679
That was Nathan.

1044
00:43:10.739 --> 00:43:12.360
It's the Nathan.

1045
00:43:42.420 --> 00:43:45.719
Morgan, whistle, we've had enough running about the battle, Randall

1046
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:48.420
so we're going to try our talents in the audition, but the psychic

1047
00:43:48.420 --> 00:43:51.900
circus do come back for the greatest show in the galaxy next

1048
00:43:51.900 --> 00:43:52.320
week.

1049
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:56.159
Don't forget, in our show notes, you can vote for the Colin Baker

1050
00:43:56.159 --> 00:43:58.260
story, you'd like us to do a commentary on.

1051
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:02.039
The nominations are Mark of the Rani, Revelation of the Daleks, the

1052
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:04.559
Mysterious Planet, and Terror of the vervoids.

1053
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:08.699
You can find that at flightsthroughentirety.sexy, flight through

1054
00:44:08.699 --> 00:44:12.119
entirety on Facebook and Apple Podcasts and at FTE podcast on

1055
00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:14.099
Twitter, over on Bondfinger.

1056
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:17.940
We have the 1st 3 Pierce Brosnan Bond films, and all preceding

1057
00:44:17.940 --> 00:44:22.139
ones on Bondfinger.com, Bondfinger on Facebook and Apple Podcasts

1058
00:44:22.139 --> 00:44:24.059
and at Bondfinger cast on Twitter.

1059
00:44:24.179 --> 00:44:25.980
Bond Finger of Omega.

1060
00:44:27.420 --> 00:44:31.199
Until next time, may none of your vile neighbours steal your

1061
00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:31.559
cook.

1062
00:44:31.619 --> 00:44:33.119
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1063
00:44:33.179 --> 00:44:33.780
Good night.

1064
00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:35.340
In for me in for me.

1065
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:57.659
That was like your entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, Brendan

1066
00:44:57.659 --> 00:45:01.320
Jones and Richard Stone, theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, logo

1067
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:03.420
designed by Anthony Wells.

1068
00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:07.320
This episode, Exit Pursued by a Bear, was recorded on the 22nd of

1069
00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:08.280
July 2017.

1070
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:11.820
The next episode will be released on the 20th of August.

1071
00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:17.940
When the doctor relaunched the Nemesis Statue in 1988, he was sent

1072
00:45:17.940 --> 00:45:21.960
into a slightly more distant orbit with a period of 28 to 29 Earth

1073
00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:25.739
years, which explains a lot when you've come to think about it.

1074
00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:30.119
But, I mean, that's not the initial conception, is it he travels

1075
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:32.039
because he can't control the TARDIS?

1076
00:45:32.099 --> 00:45:36.000
Well, no, we think he's escaping, yeah, but as Newman say, Newman's

1077
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:39.659
Newman was boggly awful. when you look at his concepts and his 86

1078
00:45:39.659 --> 00:45:41.460
concept, which have we talked about that?

1079
00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:42.119
Yeah, we have.

1080
00:45:42.179 --> 00:45:45.360
That's great Turn it into a warmer.

1081
00:45:46.739 --> 00:45:50.460
After turning it back into Patrick Trown. is the plan.

1082
00:45:50.579 --> 00:45:52.980
That's what Pat would have wanted.

1083
00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:03.480
There's not enough.

1084
00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:07.139
I thought you were being Matt Berry.

1085
00:46:07.619 --> 00:46:09.420
No difference, actually.

1086
00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:11.039
He's my man crush.

1087
00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:12.539
I'll just hold him up for the listener.

1088
00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:13.019
There you are.

1089
00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:15.119
Delicious.

1090
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:15.840
Okay.

1091
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:18.480
This canon now, because Peter Davidson's his flatmate in Toasted

1092
00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:18.900
Canon.

1093
00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:21.119
Anything anyone else wants to say?

1094
00:46:22.260 --> 00:46:24.960
It's not enough nudity in this story.

1095
00:46:25.019 --> 00:46:30.900
It's a little bit As Sylvester would put it, look, there were some

1096
00:46:30.900 --> 00:46:34.199
very good looking firefighter type chaps in those side main

1097
00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:36.840
costumes, as Sophie discovered to her delight as we were entirely

1098
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:37.320
on location.

1099
00:46:37.380 --> 00:46:41.219
He was so naughty to out her as being a little bit frisky and

1100
00:46:41.219 --> 00:46:42.000
that's right.

1101
00:46:42.059 --> 00:46:46.619
And I've got to say for so, you know, all for so, benefit and and

1102
00:46:46.619 --> 00:46:48.420
arger in her role, she's never denied it.

1103
00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:49.440
She said, yeah, I had good time.

1104
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:52.860
I had an upper middle class, good time.

1105
00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:55.079
Right upper.

1106
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:56.820
Okay.

1107
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:08.159
Wrap it up.

1108
00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:11.760
I imagine.

1109
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:17.639
See, I can't look at you when I do this because I'll just

1110
00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:18.420
completely break up.

1111
00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:20.519
Comet.

1112
00:47:24.539 --> 00:47:29.619
Well, dear listener, we've had enough of running about an app.