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Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety

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the only Doctor Who podcast coming at you forwards in time

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backwards in time and sideways in time.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm a pointy bitter chalk and a gaudily hilted prop sword for this

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one, so you watch yourself.

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It's about to get a trifle sharpish on the battlefield.

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It's a really terrible prop sword.

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Something that gets to be enclosive.

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On all the time.

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I'm thinking, didn't I get this in a show bag?

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This is part of the 1988 Doctor Who showback, which the year

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before had invisible ink and a cutout pregnant looking Mary Tan.

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She's in this and all, isn't she?

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Guess who we've got?

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We've got Gene Marsh.

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We have.

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And we've got Angela Douglas.

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We have, carry on.

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Brigadier.

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Actually, was Gene Martian a carry-on?

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She wasn't, she should be.

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I don't believe she was, but I could be wrong.

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I was saying to you during the week, Richard.

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I'm surprised that fewer carry-on actors were in the Avengers.

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You know, we've had a few in...

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They just saw themselves, saw themselves a little bit middle to

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high brow for what they were doing.

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So they didn't lampoon themselves quite that way.

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They had half the cast of dad's army.

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Yeah, well, class.

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And dad's army didn't start till late 67.

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Ah, well.

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But no, I just found that odd because, of course, Angela Douglas

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was the female lead in about 3 or 4 carry-ons, I think.

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She was.

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Carry on up the kyber.

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No, I'm not joking.

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And carry on up the jungle.

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Why is it up everything?

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She's always in the...

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Don't you love how these seasons have started?

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You know, for one of them, we've got an extraordinary moment in

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you know, above the earth, hovering with malcontent and fizzling

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with expectation, and then another season, we have a starburst and

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the death of a doctor, and now we have a lovely garden centre and

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some retired people. that's the best opening.

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I think that's why people like this season so much as it's like

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every villain is going to be Patricia Rutledge, you expect.

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And I have to say, Richard, I think great minds think alike here

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because our dear listener, other Pete, made the same

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observations.

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No, we did not.

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During doing marathons.

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I did not, did he?

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I love you other people.

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Get off my patch.

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It's a lovely opening and it is in a way...

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They said that of him as well.

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Well, you know, when we had all of that sort of introduction of

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who the brigadier was and stuff in Morden undead, you know, now

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Sergeant Benton's a used car dealer and all of that sort of thing

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that was...

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Yeah, better than he ought to be, either.

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But this is really terribly sweet.

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Wasn't that fronty of them to say that too.

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I mean, where's Mike Yeates now?

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He runs a fish shop.

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They don't even mention him next to a primary school.

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And in Richard Franklin's novel, Operation Hate.

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Oh, ow.

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Really hurt.

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I believe it is implied that, of course, Yeats had his

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dishonourable discharge with the dinosaur invasion, but of course

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that novel is also about Yeats coming to terms with his sexuality

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in a time that was, you know, difficult.

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So Richard Franklin has said, yes, this is semi-autobiographical

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and I'm putting some of my own life into Yeats' life.

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Still in publication?

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So originally it was called The Killing Stone, and it's been

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rewritten and retitled Operation H, which I believe is still in

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publication.

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And people have said, it's not actually bad.

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Wasn't that the 3rd reboot of Thunderball with Joe Collins as

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Fatima Blush?

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Everything goes blurry in the wash doesn't it?

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George Lazenby as Bond.

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George decay as Fiona Volpe.

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Actually, I would so pay to watch that.

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Do you know why this show is so freaking great, kids?

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It's not for any of the lovely garden scenes.

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I'm staying in the bloody garden scenes.

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I love this.

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How the hell would he get that house?

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I think Doris.

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I think I think Doris.

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I think he married up.

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I think it's Doris' money.

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This is the same universe as Ambassadors of Death.

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Get it?

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Get it?

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No, it really is.

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Mars Landings in the 70s.

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Britain has a space program.

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No, okay, it's still Doctor Who, so of course it's the same

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universe, but it is actually LinkedIn really nicely.

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You know what?

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I think you're onto something there, though, with the brig

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marrying up, because when he leaves, Doris asks, does all this

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mean so little to you as if this is what she is offering?

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Yeah, this is...

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Am I just your cash cow?

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This is her house.

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She answers the phone.

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She does too, doesn't she?

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And when at the end, she's like, make dinner for us.

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Yeah, because you are my B at.

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B for BH, Brigg.

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Except that the name Doris, of course, comes from Planet of the

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Spider.

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She's a nice watch.

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She's a bit of a scrubber. that's right.

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I thought she was a sort of good time girl and he was kind of...

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He was sort of embarrassed to have had this liaison with her in

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Brighton, presumably while still married to Fiona.

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Volpe.

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He was still very starchy though, and the 70s were, that's Sutech

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agrees.

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Yeah, he was very starchy.

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So judgy, isn't she?

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No, those opening scenes are properly charming.

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And this is closest Doctor Who gets to to the manor born.

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This is Doctor Who does Sigma.

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And it's really time we had this.

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There's so much.

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I don't want to get to the rewritten, a hastily rewritten end

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scene because you know that this was meant to be the last story of

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the brig.

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And that there were, in fact, as Nick let spill in one of the

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things there were, it was the end of the Death of the Greyhound.

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So they did, in fact, rehearse 2 tag scenes, 2 end scenes.

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So I think that the narrative still is building up to the death of

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the brigadier because, you know, we see him suit up, we see him

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decide to go back.

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We even see the moment where he would have been killed where the

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destroyer.

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Yeah, all full of busty promise standing there twitching away like

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quite like a would-be extra for a Mel Gibson casting call covered

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in wad and full of mock Scottish promise. even for a poll anyway.

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I think is he the greatest pole of the season?

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Marek Anton?

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Oh, my.

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Oh, if you could only have seen young Brendan's face light up.

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It was like you got full tilt on the pinball.

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We'll see more of him in a couple of weeks, yes.

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Oh, I see quite a bit of him here.

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Is it just in my head that he's got a blue painted chest?

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Do you actually not see it in this?

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No, you do.

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Yeah.

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You pause and your whole, your sad old VHS is stretched like a

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tacky old bit of playground rubber band by the end of it because

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you've been pausing on that scene for so long.

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There's a photograph with Sue Mansfield fitting his head, as it

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were.

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And yeah, he's not wearing anything.

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Right in front of her salad.

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Gigantic nipples, right, in front of her cell.

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Is he still with us?

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I think so.

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Well, of course, we had our viewing marathon for this a couple of

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weeks ago and we were watching from various locations.

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I think you were having work done in your bathroom.

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Not a euphemism.

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But no, James and I were sitting together watching Maracanton in

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Curse of Fenrich and just kind of gushing, as it were.

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And I believe I have found, I found a website of a Merrick Anton.

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The face shape is similar.

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He looks very different, of course, because it's 30 years on.

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But he's aged rather well.

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So it seems he's still with us.

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He's still doing bathroom renovations in London, like most Polish

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gentlemen.

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That is a euphemism.

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No, something I really love about those early scenes with the

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brig.

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I kind of like, and I kind of don't like the disillusionment in

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Modron Undead because a lot of season 20 relates to the

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destruction or erosion of dreams, snake dance, for instance.

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Terminus, of course, you know, people are promised a cure, but

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just kind of thrown in a radiation chamber and we hope for the

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best.

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Given Sarah Sutton instead.

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In enlightenment, you know, the Eternals basically want to be able

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to dream and they can't.

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You know, with unit, it was kind of seen as this golden age of

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Doctor Who even then, but what Modron Undead does is goes, no, this

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is the real world, you know, soldiers do retire and they do go on

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to prosaic day jobs.

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Well, this kind, it still honours that because Doris refers to the

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teaching.

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I think, yeah, that's what rescued him.

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They obviously had a falling out.

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He had a breakdown.

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Oh, this is such a soap, isn't it?

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Yeah, I'm surprised that Russell didn't refilm all of this, do

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we?

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Probably did.

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But yeah, and then and then she rescued him from his.

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So he goes from chalk from his bitter chalk.

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Yeah, he goes from living in like a studio caravan on the school

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grounds to this grand old country house with a wife who adores

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him.

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It's reclaiming some of that, but also still honouring what's come

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before.

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It's one of the more deft moves of continuity we have in the 1980s

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because you don't need to have seen that he was a teacher in order

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to understand that scene.

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Yeah, better not to, really.

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I think the one the one sort of flaw in that scene is where poor

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Doris has to say, you don't regret it, do you?

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he's like, regret what?

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Leaving United Nations intelligence task force.

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Binary location. 01 zero.

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You kind of go, oh, yeah, that kind of makes sense.

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People need to know what it is. central.

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Anyone who knows what unit means.

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If she just says unit will understand it.

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Anyone who doesn't know what unit means is still going to go

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United Nation Intelligence Task Force.

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What the hell is that?

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It's it's the Blofeld moment from Spectre.

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We're back to the...

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But yeah, Angela Douglas and Charming.

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It's a really strong female cast in this one.

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Angela Bruce and Angela Douglas actually conflated my head.

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I don't know how, but I really would have liked to have seen some

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standoffs between them.

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But we'll get that, won't we?

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Miss Whittaker.

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We will.

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Well, I mean, but later on, unit becomes a sort of completely

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female organisation.

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I think they're all women in the Zygon invasion and the Zygon

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inversion, apart from a few grants.

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This is really pressing it, isn't it?

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It's the 1st time that it's actually looked like something from

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the United Nations that has a little bit groovy casting.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So you have Zabegnyev and you have, you know, actual people who

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are from other countries.

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You know who he is, don't you?

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He's Frobisher in the audios.

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Yes, he really.

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Robert Jessak.

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He's Frobisher.

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I know, isn't it great?

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Don't you wish?

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Throw a bit of that in.

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But what it does.

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And it's what happened so rarely was to bring an element of the

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past back and give it something completely new to do.

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And when I say completely new.

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I guess the nearest analogue is the demons where we see unit

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confronting the devil in essence and magic and stuff like that.

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And it is given a scientific explanation, but Miss Hawthorne

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points out, well, that scientific explanation is just going to say

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that, yes, magic is real.

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So we have had unit facing magic and the supernatural.

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Here we have it again in a really sort of sword and sorcery way.

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Something that we've never seen unit confront.

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You know, it was endless sort of aliens invading the home

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counties.

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Here we have something really different where unit confronts this

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myth, this Arthurian myth, where it confronts the doctor's future

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confronts the other greatest piece of British mythology of all

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time.

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And we haven't really seen it done in media.

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Monty Python and John Borman's Excalibur do not count as current

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you know, as current modern reinterpretations.

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The closest, in fact, we had in media at the time was, um, and I

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was already starting to really date, which is, of course, talking

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and whatever media representations of Lord of the Rings.

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Butch isn't really exactly Arthurian, but it's probably the

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closest that we had.

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Yeah, the King Arthur Myth is right up there with Anibelund.

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Yeah, we're about almost 10 years on from Ralph Baske's attempts

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to do the Lord of the Rings animated films, which tripped me out

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as a kid.

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And they're actually so bloody Wagner anyway.

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He's he's taken it all from the Norse stuff.

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So in the extended version of Battlefield, because this, Nathan

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you've mentioned this problem of, you know, they write too much

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material. and it's a big thing this season, pretty much every

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story this season overruns in terms of shot material.

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And there's a bit that's on the special edition DVD.

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And it wasn't actually cut because of time.

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It was cut because it didn't look very good.

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It's the doctor and ace walking up a spiral staircase to get to

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after the spaceship.

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But they cut the bit where Ace is asking how magic exists and the

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doctor explains, have you heard of Clark's law, which is any form

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of sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from

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magic, and the doctor has the wonderful line of the reverse is

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also true.

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Any form of significantly advanced.

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Magic is indistinguishable from technology.

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So I actually think that is, you know, that's a take on the

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demon's explanation, but it's much better and it's not...

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Yeah, you know, we kind of agreed that Pertwee is a bit

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patronising towards Miss Hawthorne.

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Which isn't, which isn't...

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Every single person.

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Yeah, here's your superior offer.

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He's even a little bit withering at the Maypole, isn't it?

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I'm glad you're mentioning cut scenes because that's where this

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story gets interesting.

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Have you watched the elongation?

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I have ages ago. did for this one.

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Yeah.

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Most of the cut scenes.

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Well, there's a there's a line in any of them anyway.

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They mentioned that this is the time of the Azanian ceasefire

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that's occupying most of unit forces.

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It was one of the proposed names for a post-apartheid South Africa

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which is, you know, sadly, when Nelson Mandela, then a multiracial

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democracy.

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He didn't turn to even war for inspiration, oddly enough.

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But it is mentioned in Scoop.

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Right.

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And it was one of the perceived things.

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So we're actually now back in an even war universe.

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Which is nice.

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I like that.

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All right, we probably aren't.

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You could be.

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Again, it's tagging and feeling into other great British

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literary.

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There's the word.

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Yeah, no.

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Go on.

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What I was going to say is just to pleasure our listeners.

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Tropes.

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Bingo cards at the ready.

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What I was going to say is that, of course, Aronovich's 1st story

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goes back in time to look at the history of the program in

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remembrance of the Darlings.

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And now his story is the opposite of that.

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He's going forward in time.

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Sideways.

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And what, to ITV?

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Yes.

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And using it as a way of also examining the past of the program by

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bringing us back the unit era, but also by talking about Doctor

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Who being a new modern thing.

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Like this time, Doctor Who is set in the distant future of 1999, I

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think.

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They don't say it on in the script, but yeah, I think that that's

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what it's supposed to be.

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And so we've got, you know, that stupid phone, like Peter Walmsley

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has a car phone.

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You know, The brigadier doesn't care if it's the king on the

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phone.

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So Doctor Who was killed Queen Elizabeth?

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No wonder she was avoiding him down and, you know.

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Well, it's their revenge for Silver Nemesis and not being able to

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get Andrew.

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Or was Edward?

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It's Edward.

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Wonder.

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They're always the glove puppet children on the goodies.

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Oh, I did say with it being said in 1999.

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It's like, 0 yeah, £5 for 2 soft drinks.

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I remember those.

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This, as you alluded, Nathan, was actually Ben Aronovich's 1st

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pitch for the show, Stormover of Valley on.

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Yes, we're a Valiant, and that's the, so our world is available.

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In fact, in that extended version, the storm. is actually much

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more of an element in that 1st episode.

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You know, there's this big inexplicable storm.

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It's why the missile convoy is stuck in the mud and it's clearly

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associated with the arrival of these knights from an alternative

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dimension.

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In a real Warner Brothers, bugs, bunny one.

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But that doesn't really sort of survive the savage cuts that the

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thing has to understand.

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And that's the problem. also a budget cut.

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I think the reason this doesn't work.

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And okay, we know the publicity because it is, Brendan, go on as

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far as ratings goes.

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We have the lowest rated episode of Doctor Who of the classic

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season as part of this.

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The 1st episode gets 3.1 million.

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Which is almost respectable for today's audiences, considering

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everyone's on an iPad.

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I believe.

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Yeah, for a 1st run.

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Yeah, the lie of the land is the only episode to get a lower 1st

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run figure.

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Now, part of the reason for that was the lie of the land was up

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against the X Factor final, which was unusual because the X Factor

404
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final was going to be on Sunday, but Sunday there was a benefit

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concert after the Manchester bombings.

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And pretty much every other channel put something on that wasn't

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going to rate very well anyway.

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But that meant moving the X Factor finale opposite Doctor Who

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which is why they should have taken Doctor Who off for that week

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really.

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It was the live, the land.

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I mean, no big loss.

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And yes, and of course, you know, you can see that this is a

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really even-handed play on Britain at the time and the real

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dangers that the world was seeing.

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The wall was just about to come down in Berlin and Sophie Aldred

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almost died because of it.

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Yeah, no, she apparently was also got sick from having to stay

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under the water and try and hold her sorted up price.

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It's real hard to hold these things straight and maintain an upper

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middle class disposition.

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It's actually really funny, that scene, because she just...

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Hands anselling the sword and says, here, you can be king of

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England.

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Yeah.

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Factually.

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That for post-tach.

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For anyone who doesn't know, 102nd version.

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When Sophie Eldred is in the water tank and it's filling with

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water, the glass wasn't thick enough.

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When you see it break on screen.

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It actually bows, you can see it.

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It breaks for real.

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Water goes over the floor and Sylvester, it shouts out to everyone

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you know, get off the cables, get Sophie out of the tank.

436
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And yeah, if she, the glass never broke completely.

437
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It just kind of crashed out.

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There's electrocution that could have actually been the problem.

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But also, you know, she could have passed through it and got quite

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badly cut.

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And for years afterwards, that studio footage was used in a BBC

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production safety tape on working with water tanks.

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Working with So Field.

444
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Well, she's only allowed to do voiceovers.

445
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It's not exactly glittering.

446
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Yeah, she's only allowed to do voiceover since Doctor Who.

447
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How's it to your health?

448
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It's not very good either because they clearly don't.

449
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Well, they don't have enough coverage for that scene.

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So one of the shots, like there are some shots where the camera's

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struggling to gain focus.

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There's shots where the glass is breaking and there's shots where

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studio guys have their sort of hands around Sophie Aldred and are

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hauling them.

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Yeah, which was pretty much a daily a car.

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As received, wisdom will take.

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I have to say just generally, I don't think this story is very

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well directed.

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It's not.

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It's chunky.

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And the reason I don't think it works.

462
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It's budget and it's time, but it's also props.

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Those guns, come on.

464
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You know the armour was meant to be robocop looking?

465
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Yeah, yeah.

466
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The designs for them to be stock armour, don't they?

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Which you've seen in lots of other BBC period productions as

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well.

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It's probably stuff, you know, that was in Black Adder and

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things.

471
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You know, I think it's the weakest story of Sylvester's era.

472
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I would not disagree.

473
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Well, you know, it fights it out down the bottom there with Silver

474
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Nemesis, but the fact that these are the weaker stories of the era

475
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I think, is really telling, because I found Battlefield incredibly

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entertaining.

477
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Much more fun than I remember, and I hadn't watched it for many

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years.

479
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Yeah, And it has that unit comfort food thing going.

480
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You know, the fact that unit, we're on earth, which is nice, you

481
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know, we're on location a lot.

482
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We're in a lovely part of England.

483
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Yeah, it's really a holiday brochure to go and get shot for, isn't

484
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it?

485
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You know?

486
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Have a nice old witch queen, you know, kill your bint, but she'll

487
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also cue a blindness.

488
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But you've got exactly you've got the fabulous Gene Marsh in her

489
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what, 3rd appearance in the program?

490
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I think the cat disagrees, but no, it is the 3rd appearance.

491
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And she's wonderful.

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I mean she's just tremendous.

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She really holds it together.

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It's just on the edge of how, of, you can see that JNT would have

495
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thought, oh, get a whole hour of panto out of this. stretch it

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up.

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And she is slightly painter, but she manages to keep it.

498
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The scene with the brig and Gene Marsh, or the bion twins.

499
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You know, I didn't even think that.

500
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That's wonderful, isn't it?

501
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I killed you before.

502
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She said, now you have and you just watch yourself because it's

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Margot now.

504
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That's the whole thing of yes.

505
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Oh, and yeah, but that's also very Nibelundi, isn't it?

506
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Actually, although it's, no, the Arthurian.

507
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No, no, no, let's not go to those Norses.

508
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I'll go to those Ikea people. you know, with their Alan Keying

509
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their stories together.

510
00:22:24.359 --> 00:22:25.140
No, no.

511
00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:26.160
It's an English story.

512
00:22:26.220 --> 00:22:31.920
So of course it has incest, rape, and buggery. pork pies.

513
00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:36.960
Oh, for you Game of Thrones fans out there, there is a shot of the

514
00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:40.140
actors who play Jamie Lannister and you're on Grey Joy at the

515
00:22:40.140 --> 00:22:42.480
football together, but not looking terribly happy and someone's

516
00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:45.359
put the caption on it when you are forced to hang out with your

517
00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:46.440
sister's new boyfriend.

518
00:22:48.180 --> 00:22:50.460
Now I understand that, man.

519
00:22:50.519 --> 00:22:52.980
I've seen them all week and had no idea what it was about.

520
00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:55.019
Can we talk about?

521
00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:57.359
can we talk about the thematic stuff?

522
00:22:57.420 --> 00:23:00.839
Like I actually think, well, despite the fact that it is a fun

523
00:23:00.839 --> 00:23:03.180
romp in that sort of unit style.

524
00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:05.880
It does at least attempt to have something to say.

525
00:23:05.880 --> 00:23:09.779
And what's interesting about it is that there are 2 types of

526
00:23:09.779 --> 00:23:10.740
soldier in it.

527
00:23:10.799 --> 00:23:13.980
There's the brigadier and the people from unit.

528
00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:18.420
And, um, you know, Morgan recognises that he's a soldier and

529
00:23:18.420 --> 00:23:20.339
recognises that he's steeped in blood.

530
00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:21.779
He's killed a lot of people.

531
00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:27.299
And then there's more gain and, you know, all of the people from

532
00:23:27.299 --> 00:23:28.619
the parallel universe.

533
00:23:28.680 --> 00:23:36.180
And you get those 2 viewpoints exemplified by Winifred Bambera and

534
00:23:36.180 --> 00:23:40.380
Anselon, who have that gorgeous sort of rom-com arc, which I think

535
00:23:40.380 --> 00:23:43.859
works so terrifically well and should really have happened all the

536
00:23:43.859 --> 00:23:44.940
time in Doctor Who.

537
00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:46.980
There should always be a rom-comer, I think.

538
00:23:47.460 --> 00:23:53.099
And it's one of the few times we actually get token extras who are

539
00:23:53.099 --> 00:23:55.140
meant to be Totty, who are in fact attractive.

540
00:23:55.200 --> 00:23:55.799
Yeah, yeah.

541
00:23:55.799 --> 00:23:58.200
Both Mordred Nance and you think, oh, you know, it depends whether

542
00:23:58.200 --> 00:24:00.660
you play which side of the chessboard you play on, you've got a

543
00:24:00.660 --> 00:24:00.900
piece.

544
00:24:02.759 --> 00:24:07.259
So there's a scene after the big final battle, you know, which is

545
00:24:07.259 --> 00:24:09.359
really incredibly poorly done.

546
00:24:09.420 --> 00:24:13.140
It should have been done with the Yakety Yak theme tune from Betty

547
00:24:13.140 --> 00:24:14.700
Hill, and then it would have worked.

548
00:24:14.759 --> 00:24:16.619
Yeah, no, it's not very well.

549
00:24:16.680 --> 00:24:18.720
No, it's real.

550
00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:22.200
Well, just tighter and less time between them and maybe a few more

551
00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:23.519
mixing the shots up.

552
00:24:23.579 --> 00:24:25.799
Yeah, well, it's just a lot of people running around shooting in

553
00:24:25.799 --> 00:24:29.819
each other. got no idea of how the battle's going or what's

554
00:24:29.819 --> 00:24:30.420
happening or anything.

555
00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:34.619
And it's why people criticise Silv when he runs in and says there

556
00:24:34.619 --> 00:24:35.460
will be no battle here.

557
00:24:35.460 --> 00:24:37.740
And people kind of go, oh, it's completely inappropriate. like, no

558
00:24:37.740 --> 00:24:40.680
it's not inappropriate if he's shouting it to a 1000 people, which

559
00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:44.339
is what Silv has read the scene and what the scene is written as.

560
00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:48.960
But as we see it on screen, there's like Mordred and Anselin and

561
00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:52.140
one guy off behind a tree who's a bit embarrassed to be in the

562
00:24:52.140 --> 00:24:52.380
shot.

563
00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:56.279
It's actually the Californian Monty Python Appreciation Society

564
00:24:56.279 --> 00:25:00.660
meeting the Society of a Creative Anachronists to make them make

565
00:25:00.660 --> 00:25:04.799
their own chain mail out of dad's old beer cans and they're

566
00:25:04.799 --> 00:25:05.519
meeting together.

567
00:25:05.579 --> 00:25:06.240
Yeah, nah.

568
00:25:06.299 --> 00:25:07.559
It's not going to work.

569
00:25:07.619 --> 00:25:11.640
And the Wigan Women's Country Association reenacting the Battle of

570
00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:13.019
Trafalgar.

571
00:25:13.079 --> 00:25:13.859
Oh, how delicious.

572
00:25:13.920 --> 00:25:16.380
That was awesome. remember that.

573
00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:19.019
I'll put that in the show notes, you have to say.

574
00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:22.500
Actually, how good would it have been if they'd been entirely in

575
00:25:22.500 --> 00:25:23.700
mud and drag?

576
00:25:24.839 --> 00:25:29.099
The weird thing is, like with those big battle scenes, the bits I

577
00:25:29.099 --> 00:25:33.180
really like are the bits where, you know, Mordred, Anselon, and

578
00:25:33.180 --> 00:25:35.759
Bambera actually have lines in interaction with each other, like

579
00:25:35.759 --> 00:25:39.900
there's that great bit where Anselon, um, swans on and Morden says

580
00:25:39.900 --> 00:25:43.559
I'll teach you about courage, and Anselon just, um, Marcus Gilbert

581
00:25:43.559 --> 00:25:44.880
just completely goes off at the top.

582
00:25:44.940 --> 00:25:52.859
Courage from the man who fled the field... such a bummer, isn't

583
00:25:52.859 --> 00:25:53.039
it?

584
00:25:54.180 --> 00:25:59.519
It's just the thing is, it wouldn't work if he wasn't an Arthorian

585
00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:00.119
knight, you know?

586
00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:05.039
Had we had Kenneth Brenner's endless four-hour version of Hamlet

587
00:26:05.039 --> 00:26:05.579
at this point?

588
00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:07.980
I'm not sure. really good?

589
00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:09.839
Like everything Brandon does.

590
00:26:09.900 --> 00:26:12.359
It's just because it's Branner that we discouraged it.

591
00:26:12.420 --> 00:26:14.339
Have you seen Dunkirk yet?

592
00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:17.220
Dear listener, go and have a look. at Brenner's favourite moment

593
00:26:17.220 --> 00:26:18.359
because he's hardly in it.

594
00:26:18.420 --> 00:26:19.500
But no, it's really, yeah.

595
00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:21.059
Yeah, Brenner has gravitated.

596
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:21.480
I am.

597
00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:23.940
So just much unlike this episode.

598
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:28.259
I'm actually looking forward to Kenneth Braner as Poirot in Murder

599
00:26:28.259 --> 00:26:31.500
on the Orient Express with Judy Dench and Daisy Ridley.

600
00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:34.740
Butchers, though.

601
00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:37.079
Both is Miss Levin.

602
00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:38.819
Yeah.

603
00:26:38.819 --> 00:26:39.960
Meanwhile.

604
00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:43.559
Um, and then and then we get that great bit at the end where um

605
00:26:43.559 --> 00:26:46.440
Ansel and and Morda are having their sword fight and the doctor

606
00:26:46.440 --> 00:26:50.160
wanders in between them and hello and they both do a double take

607
00:26:50.160 --> 00:26:50.880
which shouldn't work.

608
00:26:50.940 --> 00:26:53.039
But it really does.

609
00:26:53.099 --> 00:26:56.220
And yeah, I think it's one of the few instances where just having

610
00:26:56.220 --> 00:26:59.400
a static camera works because it lets the actors do their job.

611
00:26:59.460 --> 00:27:03.660
I'm just hoping that Jodie Whitaker puts on one of Nicole Kidman's

612
00:27:03.660 --> 00:27:07.140
old cast off ginger wigs and then we could redo this.

613
00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:09.960
I have been waiting all this time for the ginger doctor and we all

614
00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:10.380
have been.

615
00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:12.720
It's even, you know, everybody thought.

616
00:27:12.779 --> 00:27:16.140
Everybody thought that Tennant was lampooning Chris Evans when he

617
00:27:16.140 --> 00:27:19.319
says I'm my ginger, and it was a take on Billy's ex-husband in

618
00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:20.339
Indoctrine.

619
00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:21.839
But no, he's actually referencing this story.

620
00:27:21.900 --> 00:27:25.259
Because in the novelisation, which is actually by Mark Platt

621
00:27:25.259 --> 00:27:26.339
because it's good.

622
00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:30.359
Well, Beneronovich used to not be able to write... notorious.

623
00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:31.559
Yeah, having a hissy.

624
00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:33.119
And not using a backtop.

625
00:27:33.180 --> 00:27:36.240
Yeah, well, so Mark Blatt had to step in and finish the

626
00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:36.900
novelisation.

627
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:39.480
He was the Kate Orman all the time, wasn't he?

628
00:27:39.539 --> 00:27:42.119
Well, Kate Orman had to step in and finish one of his new

629
00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:43.140
adventures novels.

630
00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:46.740
Which, spoiler alert, is one where a main character dies and it

631
00:27:46.740 --> 00:27:47.700
was delayed by about five.

632
00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:51.000
It was technically brought out after Virgin had lost the license.

633
00:27:51.059 --> 00:27:52.440
So it was just a...

634
00:27:52.500 --> 00:27:55.259
Yeah, it was a good grace arrangement with the BBC.

635
00:27:55.319 --> 00:27:56.099
Yeah.

636
00:27:56.099 --> 00:27:58.859
Well, I mean, they'd already published the novels that came after

637
00:27:58.859 --> 00:28:00.599
that in which that character was dead.

638
00:28:00.660 --> 00:28:03.420
And of course, now he's a very successful novelist.

639
00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:05.819
But it is a very good novelisation, I think.

640
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:10.079
Again, like Aronovich's remembrance of the Daleks.

641
00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:12.839
It spends a lot of time in the characters heads telling us a

642
00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:14.099
little bit more about what they think.

643
00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:18.480
But can I just get back to that, that sort of conflict between 2

644
00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:20.700
kinds of ways of looking at soldiering.

645
00:28:20.759 --> 00:28:24.839
So at the end of that battle, there's a scene where Anselon and

646
00:28:24.839 --> 00:28:27.299
Winifred are resting afterwards.

647
00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:32.160
And Winifred sees the dead body of the guard captain, the young

648
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:37.200
man who gets one or 2 lines earlier on and he's died and she's

649
00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:40.380
she's sad about that.

650
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:43.799
And Anselon says something about it being a glorious battle and

651
00:28:43.799 --> 00:28:45.299
she looks at him in horror.

652
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:52.140
And in that moment, our conception of the way war works where it's

653
00:28:52.140 --> 00:28:58.680
deplorable and tragic and not glorious, not something that we

654
00:28:58.680 --> 00:29:02.099
should be proud of, that scene is superior.

655
00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:06.539
But then at the very end, the way that Gene Marsh is defeated, you

656
00:29:06.539 --> 00:29:10.859
know, she, the doctor doesn't cross some wires or press buttons or

657
00:29:10.859 --> 00:29:13.440
do something to defeat the enemy in this.

658
00:29:13.500 --> 00:29:15.960
He goes...

659
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:16.740
He persuades her.

660
00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:21.240
But what he persuades her off is the superiority of her own

661
00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:23.700
morality as a warrior.

662
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:25.980
He poshes it up. doesn't he?

663
00:29:26.099 --> 00:29:29.759
Well, he just says you wouldn't you wouldn't deploy weapons of

664
00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:32.039
mass destruction against civilian population.

665
00:29:32.099 --> 00:29:33.000
Thatcha.

666
00:29:33.059 --> 00:29:33.720
Yeah.

667
00:29:33.779 --> 00:29:36.240
And that's what that's what...

668
00:29:36.299 --> 00:29:37.319
Yeah, exactly.

669
00:29:37.380 --> 00:29:38.279
That's what this is about.

670
00:29:38.339 --> 00:29:42.359
You know, like the nuclear weapon convoy, which is taken straight

671
00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:43.859
from mind of evil, isn't it?

672
00:29:46.380 --> 00:29:51.119
You know, the nuclear weapon is there to...

673
00:29:51.180 --> 00:29:56.400
Yeah, it's there to embody our attitude to war, which is vast

674
00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:59.640
deaths among innocent civilian populations.

675
00:29:59.700 --> 00:30:03.119
Yeah, and it goes back to what the doctor said in Happiness Patrol

676
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:05.640
and it goes back to something that Mordred does to the doctor

677
00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:06.000
here.

678
00:30:06.059 --> 00:30:07.619
Look me in the eye, end my life.

679
00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:11.819
And it predicates survival in a really nice, gee, this is a good 3

680
00:30:11.819 --> 00:30:13.079
years of doctor.

681
00:30:13.140 --> 00:30:15.599
But yeah, that scene is so powerful.

682
00:30:15.660 --> 00:30:19.740
And the doctor's speech, you know, a child turns its eyes to the

683
00:30:19.740 --> 00:30:21.900
sun and its eyes turn to cinders.

684
00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:26.400
When I hear that, I think of Sarah Connor's nightmare in

685
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:29.039
Terminator 2 when she's standing outside the playground.

686
00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:32.700
And I know Spielberg watched Doctor Who, I don't know if James

687
00:30:32.700 --> 00:30:33.240
Cameron did.

688
00:30:33.299 --> 00:30:34.680
They all did.

689
00:30:34.740 --> 00:30:35.279
Yeah.

690
00:30:35.339 --> 00:30:38.940
Well, you know, Joe Michael Strazinsky says he did, George Lucas

691
00:30:38.940 --> 00:30:40.799
Steven Spielberg, all those people.

692
00:30:40.859 --> 00:30:41.579
George stole.

693
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:44.640
I think it's more of, you know, it's easy to not to say.

694
00:30:44.700 --> 00:30:49.859
Empress of Mars is entirely a George Lucas rift.

695
00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:52.740
You know, it was actually George ghosting on that story.

696
00:30:52.740 --> 00:30:53.880
There is no Mark Gatis.

697
00:30:53.940 --> 00:30:56.220
No, there's only Sam Kisgard.

698
00:30:58.019 --> 00:31:00.180
We are so fan.

699
00:31:00.299 --> 00:31:05.700
Something else, it presages is Ace's attitude to racism, which

700
00:31:05.700 --> 00:31:08.700
will become important in ghost light and in survival and in the

701
00:31:08.700 --> 00:31:09.240
new adventures.

702
00:31:09.299 --> 00:31:10.619
I am a little bit disappointed.

703
00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:12.900
I know it's the 80s and we get it with Benny Summerfield in the

704
00:31:12.900 --> 00:31:14.579
books, but I'm a little bit disappointed.

705
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:17.640
She's not a little bit girl on girl because a lot of young ladies

706
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:21.359
watching this were getting their very first, you know, and we know

707
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:24.660
this from, even at the time, certainly now, it wasn't just the

708
00:31:24.660 --> 00:31:27.059
little boys having a girl, a companion they could actually

709
00:31:27.059 --> 00:31:30.900
identify with young queer women, we're saying, this is the 1st

710
00:31:30.900 --> 00:31:32.819
time I've actually felt involved in Doctor Who.

711
00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:34.259
I am now being represented.

712
00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:36.299
So just a little bit of flirtation would have been nice.

713
00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:37.799
Yeah, yeah.

714
00:31:37.859 --> 00:31:39.960
I mean, with one of the one or 2 of the guilds.

715
00:31:40.019 --> 00:31:40.380
Why not?

716
00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:42.660
Oh, we get that in ghost light. am I saying?

717
00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:46.740
Who knows what's going on behind those screens?

718
00:31:46.859 --> 00:31:54.779
But also in this last season is just when Ace starts developing as

719
00:31:54.779 --> 00:31:59.460
a romantic or sexually interested character, I'm not a little girl

720
00:31:59.460 --> 00:32:01.680
anymore, Captain Soren.

721
00:32:01.740 --> 00:32:04.019
We don't really see it in this story, but we see it.

722
00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:06.180
We see it there.

723
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:09.359
And we did have a little bit of it with Mike last year, of

724
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:09.599
course.

725
00:32:09.660 --> 00:32:13.259
We've really moved on from here to the 70s, haven't we?

726
00:32:13.380 --> 00:32:19.380
But also, I think, and, you know, I'm not quite knowing where of, I

727
00:32:19.380 --> 00:32:23.460
speak here, but I think Ace could be seen as a role model for

728
00:32:23.460 --> 00:32:27.539
queer women because in terms of the mould of the Doctor Who

729
00:32:27.539 --> 00:32:28.079
assistant.

730
00:32:28.140 --> 00:32:33.480
She is already queer in that she, you know, her interest in

731
00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:37.859
explosives and fighting and her physical attitude and her sort of

732
00:32:37.859 --> 00:32:39.059
righteous anger about things.

733
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:41.099
We haven't really seen that in any other Doctor Who companion

734
00:32:41.099 --> 00:32:41.880
except Leila.

735
00:32:41.940 --> 00:32:44.880
And it's entirely, exactly, and it's entirely appropriate for a

736
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:47.099
period where there was an illness decimating the community.

737
00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:53.400
Another deleted scene in this, of course, is when the brigadier

738
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:58.019
just reduces Ace to the latest one and she gets really annoyed

739
00:32:58.019 --> 00:32:58.380
about that.

740
00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:00.180
She does face, doesn't she?

741
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:03.599
Yeah, and she storms off and the brigadier says, oh, I just can't

742
00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:05.339
understand women.

743
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:09.779
And the thing is, I think that scene kind of critiques, that old

744
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:13.799
fashioned attitude without moralising or sermonising. you know, it

745
00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:14.579
happens organically.

746
00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:17.339
And I love the doctor's response, which is don't worry, brigadier

747
00:33:17.339 --> 00:33:21.240
people will be shooting at you soon, which is why later on in the

748
00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:24.000
car, the doctor's like, the brigadier, are you happy now?

749
00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:29.339
It does feel as if everyone's on holiday. doesn't it Yeah.

750
00:33:29.339 --> 00:33:30.240
Despite the death thing.

751
00:33:30.299 --> 00:33:31.559
In fact, the deafiness, that's the thing.

752
00:33:31.619 --> 00:33:33.359
There is no real threat of deathiness in this.

753
00:33:33.420 --> 00:33:34.859
And that's what kind of lets it down.

754
00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:36.240
It's lovely. and frothy.

755
00:33:36.299 --> 00:33:39.059
And you've got everyone working terribly hard to say, no, no, it's

756
00:33:39.059 --> 00:33:41.339
actually serious and people are going, no, they're not going to

757
00:33:41.339 --> 00:33:45.059
get hurt at all unless it's by a low-flying eccles cake or, you

758
00:33:45.059 --> 00:33:47.940
know, one of those bloody pork pies again or a scabbard.

759
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:50.640
That's the most threatening thing in this whole production.

760
00:33:50.819 --> 00:33:54.720
I do think that the one death in this that's really effective.

761
00:33:54.779 --> 00:33:58.319
And we touched on it earlier, is the death of Flight Lieutenant

762
00:33:58.319 --> 00:33:59.099
Lavelle.

763
00:33:59.160 --> 00:33:59.940
Thank you.

764
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:02.279
That is actually the only poignant moment, isn't it?

765
00:34:02.339 --> 00:34:04.200
And it's handled quite well, do you think?

766
00:34:04.259 --> 00:34:05.279
it's handled quite well.

767
00:34:05.339 --> 00:34:07.079
I mean, with a dustbuster.

768
00:34:07.140 --> 00:34:07.380
Yes.

769
00:34:07.619 --> 00:34:10.619
Aside from Bambera.

770
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:13.559
Lavelle is given the most character development of the new

771
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:17.159
soldiers, and she's really fun and likeable, like...

772
00:34:17.579 --> 00:34:21.059
Do you speak Czech lieutenant only when I'm drunk, sir?

773
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:23.280
So what have you got on you?

774
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:27.179
But having her a young woman as well and having the brigadier kind

775
00:34:27.179 --> 00:34:30.599
of misgendering the new brigadier, you know, because he's such a

776
00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:31.860
crusty old thing.

777
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:35.159
And she is really sort of terribly sweet.

778
00:34:35.219 --> 00:34:38.400
She's got a foreign accent, so she's not English like unit was

779
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:39.840
back in the 1970s.

780
00:34:39.900 --> 00:34:41.699
She is really good.

781
00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:44.940
And I think the way that she's killed by Gene Marsh's character is

782
00:34:44.940 --> 00:34:49.199
another way of selling her alien morality.

783
00:34:49.260 --> 00:34:52.980
You know, she'll kill Lavelle, but then pick up the tab, you

784
00:34:52.980 --> 00:34:53.159
know.

785
00:34:53.219 --> 00:34:56.219
I mean, I especially love all good killers should.

786
00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:59.219
Lavelle confronting Mordred.

787
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:00.900
And he says, am I to do nothing?

788
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:02.519
Well, you can get the tab if you want.

789
00:35:02.579 --> 00:35:05.639
And he's like, yeah, you know, and it's that thing you were

790
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:08.219
talking about earlier, Nathan, they see each other as warriors and

791
00:35:08.219 --> 00:35:10.019
they understand what that means.

792
00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:15.480
And yet that bit where Gene Marsh restores Pat's eyesight paid by

793
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:18.480
Beryl Reed's girlfriend of June Bland.

794
00:35:19.139 --> 00:35:22.139
Yeah, that bit where she restores...

795
00:35:22.260 --> 00:35:23.880
With exactly the same haircut.

796
00:35:23.940 --> 00:35:27.900
I think she had that haircut from 1962 and she never got rid of

797
00:35:27.900 --> 00:35:28.079
it.

798
00:35:28.139 --> 00:35:29.760
Well, when you're onto a good thing.

799
00:35:29.820 --> 00:35:32.099
But she's very good in this, isn't she?

800
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:33.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

801
00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:34.679
Much better than she was in Earth Shore.

802
00:35:34.739 --> 00:35:41.039
She does some terribly unconvincing braille reading. to be able to

803
00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:43.079
see what she's doing, Nathan, obviously, so judgy.

804
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:44.519
Like she's playing the piano, though.

805
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:48.780
I read a wonderful opinion piece.

806
00:35:48.840 --> 00:35:49.920
Well, I say wonderful.

807
00:35:49.980 --> 00:35:52.980
Wonderful in terms of its evocativeness and terrible in what it

808
00:35:52.980 --> 00:35:53.340
was about.

809
00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:56.699
A blind woman whose husband, of course, parks in disabled spots

810
00:35:56.699 --> 00:35:59.400
when he's taking her places and they constantly get challenged

811
00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:02.519
despite the fact she's got a cane and glasses and she finishes the

812
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:05.579
article on what a lot of people don't realise is that not all

813
00:36:05.579 --> 00:36:06.599
disabilities are visible.

814
00:36:06.780 --> 00:36:09.960
And I just thought, oh, what an amazing choice of words.

815
00:36:10.019 --> 00:36:11.519
A lot of it is fandom.

816
00:36:12.300 --> 00:36:13.800
Indeed.

817
00:36:13.860 --> 00:36:19.260
Ruin this for me, Chibnell. vomit. all over my microphone.

818
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:24.420
Now, of course, the problem with with Pat and Elizabeth and Mr

819
00:36:24.420 --> 00:36:27.719
Walmsley is when the plot runs out for them, they're just

820
00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:29.519
evacuated at the end of episode three.

821
00:36:29.579 --> 00:36:32.880
Well, I mean, that is a step up from hurting them onto a bus and

822
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:33.539
blowing them up.

823
00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:35.039
That's true We haven't learned.

824
00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:39.420
They just heard them onto a bus with a bit of casual racism and

825
00:36:39.420 --> 00:36:41.340
hypnotism.

826
00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:45.000
That bit where Pat challenges Major Husack by saying, you can't

827
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:45.539
tell me what to do.

828
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:46.440
You not English, are you?

829
00:36:46.500 --> 00:36:48.719
But that's exactly what he would have said.

830
00:36:48.780 --> 00:36:50.340
Oh, yeah, absolutely. realistic.

831
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:54.360
And that there's the soft, the pianoforte peddling of that, that

832
00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:57.000
yes, I mean, they're likeable characters, but they're still racist

833
00:36:57.000 --> 00:37:00.119
bug beats because they are of a certain age.

834
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:01.380
People are like them.

835
00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:02.820
Speaking of proof.

836
00:37:02.820 --> 00:37:04.019
Dismissal.

837
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:06.239
So I was going to say, because you were talking about more gain in

838
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:09.300
the in the caravan of courage, again, which is with all the

839
00:37:09.300 --> 00:37:10.079
blinking lights.

840
00:37:10.139 --> 00:37:12.300
It does, it does feel very early career.

841
00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:14.099
Chris Brosnan doesn't understand.

842
00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:16.260
Well, there's dangerous blinking lights, cook off at any second.

843
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:17.219
It's a terrible set.

844
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:19.920
Well, he takes the key and as if she's not going to do anything

845
00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:20.519
but that's the point.

846
00:37:20.579 --> 00:37:23.280
She will submit to being shackled.

847
00:37:23.340 --> 00:37:25.980
Receive phantom at the time was what a ridiculous ending.

848
00:37:26.039 --> 00:37:28.260
She's, you can't leave unit to lock her up.

849
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:29.880
She's a star destroyer.

850
00:37:29.940 --> 00:37:34.800
She's an enormous, delta shaped wedgie in space that can destroy

851
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:35.460
her, you know.

852
00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:40.320
Ornithopter at like 50 paces just to glance.

853
00:37:40.380 --> 00:37:41.340
But that's the point.

854
00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:44.039
It's because it's nobility, you know, it's morality.

855
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:46.019
And she would, she would allow herself to blow it away and she

856
00:37:46.019 --> 00:37:47.460
probably just disappears quietly, you know?

857
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:49.500
In the novelisation.

858
00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:50.519
The ending's very different.

859
00:37:50.579 --> 00:37:51.360
Do you remember this?

860
00:37:51.420 --> 00:37:55.679
That someone comes from the parallel world that they're all from

861
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:59.460
to the brigadier and says, actually, we've got an opening for king

862
00:37:59.460 --> 00:38:00.179
of England.

863
00:38:01.500 --> 00:38:04.559
So he heads back to replace King Arthur.

864
00:38:04.619 --> 00:38:07.199
Did I dream that or is that a thing that happened?

865
00:38:07.260 --> 00:38:08.400
Scott, that can read it.

866
00:38:08.460 --> 00:38:09.840
That'll be worth it.

867
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:10.199
Yes.

868
00:38:10.260 --> 00:38:12.780
The thing is, the other thing that topples more gain.

869
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:16.619
And this is something, it's a recurring thing in the Sylvester

870
00:38:16.619 --> 00:38:17.340
McCoy era.

871
00:38:17.340 --> 00:38:22.019
And that is Andrew Kartmel's Vision of Doctor Who is that all

872
00:38:22.019 --> 00:38:26.579
humanoid beings in some way or another are driven by their love

873
00:38:26.579 --> 00:38:28.079
and affection for another.

874
00:38:28.139 --> 00:38:31.559
So, you know, the other...

875
00:38:32.460 --> 00:38:34.440
It should have always been that way.

876
00:38:34.500 --> 00:38:35.699
It kind of always was though.

877
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:38.760
Except for locking out your...

878
00:38:38.820 --> 00:38:41.760
When she gets the 1st whiff of hormones.

879
00:38:42.059 --> 00:38:44.340
We haven't always done it have we?

880
00:38:44.460 --> 00:38:44.940
Yeah.

881
00:38:44.940 --> 00:38:46.199
Well, that's the thing, you know.

882
00:38:46.260 --> 00:38:49.860
Doctor Who's approach to love used to just be, and then she runs

883
00:38:49.860 --> 00:38:51.539
off with some blokes she's never met.

884
00:38:51.659 --> 00:38:52.860
My good room, you don't.

885
00:38:52.860 --> 00:38:56.639
Whereas at the end of the Happiness Patrol, Helen A is finally

886
00:38:56.639 --> 00:39:00.780
stopped because her dog is dying and she absolutely loves Fifi and

887
00:39:00.780 --> 00:39:03.480
the planet's going to be okay because Earl Sigma and Susan Q

888
00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:06.300
appear to be going on a romance.

889
00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:07.860
The brigadier is asked at the beginning.

890
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:08.820
It's bit hot, actually.

891
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:11.699
The brigadier is asked at the beginning of this.

892
00:39:11.699 --> 00:39:14.579
Bye, Doris. you know, do I mean so little to you?

893
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:15.539
She's appealing?

894
00:39:15.659 --> 00:39:17.400
She's appealing to his love?

895
00:39:17.460 --> 00:39:20.820
And Mulgain, you know, her last words are about how much she loved

896
00:39:20.820 --> 00:39:23.280
Arthur and now he's gone and she'll never see him again.

897
00:39:23.340 --> 00:39:25.079
So what is the point in fighting anymore?

898
00:39:25.139 --> 00:39:29.400
Is this the polarity of duty and love and really what Britain and

899
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:32.099
the Western world were going through at the time on what are we

900
00:39:32.099 --> 00:39:34.260
and what are our structures, but who are we?

901
00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:35.639
And they're not necessarily the same thing.

902
00:39:35.699 --> 00:39:38.639
And if you think about your own life, dear listener, there's

903
00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:42.480
probably a single person or a group of people whose approval and

904
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:46.380
affection and love, you kind of base some of your actions on.

905
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:50.039
Some of the people at home that could be a group of dogs can they

906
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:51.420
just intervene?

907
00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:52.679
Yeah, that's true.

908
00:39:52.739 --> 00:39:55.260
That's fine, even-handed, we're not, yes.

909
00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:57.539
Something we're not judgy about your pets.

910
00:39:57.659 --> 00:40:00.480
Something we've joked about in the last few episodes. is, of

911
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:03.599
course, Ian Levine's reaction to the casting of Jodie Whittaker.

912
00:40:03.659 --> 00:40:05.400
But when you view...

913
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:07.980
I have such a gentle space for Ian living in my heart.

914
00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:08.519
I really do.

915
00:40:08.579 --> 00:40:09.239
I really get him.

916
00:40:09.300 --> 00:40:12.780
But just like, for instance, okay, we can understand Gene Marsh's

917
00:40:12.780 --> 00:40:16.800
character is driven in part by the love for Arthur, which I don't

918
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:18.000
think weakens her character in any way.

919
00:40:18.059 --> 00:40:20.280
No, it's strength, it makes it so much more interesting.

920
00:40:20.340 --> 00:40:23.280
That doesn't excuse that she's killed Lavelle. just gives us a

921
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:23.760
better understanding.

922
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:26.820
Well, she saw Lavelle as a peasant.

923
00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:30.539
That's why Oh, but she sees her as a warrior too.

924
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:32.340
Yeah, but I think, yes, that's right.

925
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:33.840
There's a there for an excuse to do so.

926
00:40:33.900 --> 00:40:36.480
And she doesn't kill her out of sadism.

927
00:40:36.539 --> 00:40:37.619
She kills her to get information.

928
00:40:37.739 --> 00:40:40.559
Now if you look at something like Game of Thrones.

929
00:40:40.619 --> 00:40:43.980
The end of the 1st episode where Jamie pushes Brian out of the

930
00:40:43.980 --> 00:40:47.579
window, he does so with the explanation, the things we do for

931
00:40:47.579 --> 00:40:47.880
love.

932
00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:52.139
It's the only book of Game of Thrones I've read and it's really

933
00:40:52.139 --> 00:40:52.920
good in the book.

934
00:40:52.980 --> 00:40:53.820
Yeah, yeah.

935
00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:56.760
But it's a common feature of very good drama, and it's something

936
00:40:56.760 --> 00:40:59.280
that... right. right.

937
00:40:59.340 --> 00:41:01.380
Louise Jamison was there 1st though, wasn't she?

938
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:02.340
long before.

939
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:05.579
But also, remember, it's something that Silv said was his approach

940
00:41:05.579 --> 00:41:09.000
to the character, that his elderly grandmother who was so sad

941
00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:10.500
because everyone she loved was gone.

942
00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:13.559
When she turned to 100 and she said that, she said, that's it. and

943
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:15.239
she's never, she was a teetotaller.

944
00:41:15.300 --> 00:41:19.500
She was a very careful Scottish Presbyterian lady who never

945
00:41:19.500 --> 00:41:22.800
touched alcohol, never smoked cigarettes, and she that hoisted up

946
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:26.039
her skirts, said, that's it, and started on the whiskey and fags

947
00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:28.199
and she died 3 years later, and he said the last 3 years were the

948
00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:29.099
happiest year.

949
00:41:31.860 --> 00:41:34.559
That story's not...

950
00:41:34.619 --> 00:41:40.019
It's true, retrospectively. awesome.

951
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:45.780
But, you know, all of a sudden, doctor was talking about the power

952
00:41:45.780 --> 00:41:49.139
of love, and it's not, and this isn't an indictment of the new

953
00:41:49.139 --> 00:41:51.659
series, but there are quite a few stories in the new series where

954
00:41:51.659 --> 00:41:54.239
the power of love defeats aliens because aliens don't understand

955
00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:55.260
what love is.

956
00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:56.519
Whereas this is...

957
00:41:56.519 --> 00:41:57.360
Or it's a black cube.

958
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:00.539
Oh, honestly, Stephen Moffin.

959
00:42:00.659 --> 00:42:03.539
That is one of my favourite stories he's done. yeah go on.

960
00:42:03.599 --> 00:42:04.559
Well, that's by Chipnal.

961
00:42:04.619 --> 00:42:05.699
Yeah, don't get it.

962
00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:09.599
But so's exit wounds inside the lady person.

963
00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:12.599
Just in case we're still on the subject.

964
00:42:12.659 --> 00:42:18.420
But here, love is seen as as a driving force for various

965
00:42:18.420 --> 00:42:22.920
characters, you know, for Pat and Elizabeth, for the brigadier, for

966
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:26.159
more gain, and to a lesser extent, as the story goes on, because

967
00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:28.559
they're just getting to know each other, Bambera and Ansulin.

968
00:42:28.619 --> 00:42:30.659
Mordred, Mordred loves his mum.

969
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:31.619
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

970
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:33.000
Yeah, way too much.

971
00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:34.739
Yeah, and you know what?

972
00:42:34.739 --> 00:42:37.559
He is the child of an incestual relationship.

973
00:42:37.619 --> 00:42:38.460
So it's no wonder.

974
00:42:38.579 --> 00:42:42.659
I do have to say, I think Christopher Bowen's performance is

975
00:42:42.659 --> 00:42:44.340
probably the weakest in the story.

976
00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:45.840
He's Mordred.

977
00:42:45.900 --> 00:42:49.199
I don't really get where he's going with his performance.

978
00:42:49.260 --> 00:42:52.380
He gets a few good moments. to be snarly and have lovely pretty

979
00:42:52.380 --> 00:42:55.980
rich boy hair and he actually thinks he's just presenting the boat

980
00:42:55.980 --> 00:42:57.179
race. folk.

981
00:42:57.239 --> 00:42:58.260
He's really just a rich kid.

982
00:42:58.320 --> 00:42:59.280
Yeah.

983
00:42:59.340 --> 00:43:02.159
He's like Eric Trump talking about his father, you know.

984
00:43:03.300 --> 00:43:04.739
Yeah.

985
00:43:05.699 --> 00:43:08.159
Make a valley on great again.

986
00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:10.739
In particular.

987
00:43:10.860 --> 00:43:14.940
And I know it's gauche to talk about this, but the laughing scene

988
00:43:14.940 --> 00:43:18.599
and I do have to wonder if just the comms unit to the floor

989
00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:21.360
manager was down and they're saying, he can stop laughing now.

990
00:43:21.420 --> 00:43:23.760
For God's sake, Christopher, stop.

991
00:43:23.820 --> 00:43:27.420
That always goes into the Panto Christmas party outtakes.

992
00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:28.440
They always do that.

993
00:43:28.500 --> 00:43:29.940
No, just...

994
00:43:29.940 --> 00:43:30.900
Keep it going, keep it going.

995
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:31.320
Keep it going.

996
00:43:31.380 --> 00:43:32.880
Dude, it's gorgeous job, Chris.

997
00:43:33.420 --> 00:43:36.300
I do have to say, I've seen him in other things and he's great.

998
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:37.380
He's not a bad actor.

999
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:40.079
I just think he misses the mark in this, although...

1000
00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:40.800
I don't think he does.

1001
00:43:40.860 --> 00:43:43.199
I think he's playing spoilt Shallow Rich boy really well.

1002
00:43:43.260 --> 00:43:46.079
And I also think he's getting the tone of the production and it

1003
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:49.559
might not be the tone that we want it, but it's the tone that we

1004
00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:49.860
get.

1005
00:43:49.860 --> 00:43:51.840
It's the tone that we deserve.

1006
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:56.820
It's actually the held over late broadcast Christmas pantos.

1007
00:43:56.880 --> 00:44:00.420
Yeah. like it's fun and light, you know, like the script clearly

1008
00:44:00.420 --> 00:44:01.380
doesn't want it to be.

1009
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:04.980
The script clearly wants it to be a bit more serious, but the

1010
00:44:04.980 --> 00:44:08.880
production clearly decides to go summary and ridiculous.

1011
00:44:08.940 --> 00:44:09.900
And that's okay.

1012
00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:12.000
That's one of the reasons why it's entertaining.

1013
00:44:12.059 --> 00:44:15.900
And we do, of course, now have the neon blue TARDIS as it was

1014
00:44:15.900 --> 00:44:19.199
repainted at the end of the happiness patrol, much to the shragrin

1015
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:20.519
of Clayton Hickman.

1016
00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:22.739
I actually think it's gorgeous.

1017
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:23.639
It goes with the whole field.

1018
00:44:23.699 --> 00:44:26.760
If you're not following Clayton Hickman on Twitter, please do.

1019
00:44:26.820 --> 00:44:28.500
He posts rare photos of TARDIS.

1020
00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:32.760
And for instance, he's explained why the 1st doctor's TARDIS in

1021
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:34.920
the upcoming Christmas special doesn't have the white windows

1022
00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:37.019
because halfway through the war machines.

1023
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:38.579
We all knew that anyway.

1024
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:42.780
But there were about 3 weeks where he just had to retweet it once

1025
00:44:42.780 --> 00:44:44.880
a week and he's like, wasting battery power.

1026
00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:45.719
We're typing that out.

1027
00:44:45.780 --> 00:44:46.380
We all knew that.

1028
00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:49.260
He kept having to retweet it, saying, I'm having to explain this

1029
00:44:49.260 --> 00:44:49.920
to people again.

1030
00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:55.320
I wasn't angry about it. frustration, can't you?

1031
00:44:55.380 --> 00:44:57.960
But yeah, if you're not following him on Twitter, he's seriously

1032
00:44:57.960 --> 00:44:58.980
lovely, so please do.

1033
00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:02.219
One other thing I would like to mention in this episode because

1034
00:45:02.219 --> 00:45:05.579
during our viewing marathon, Nathan and I had different opinions

1035
00:45:05.579 --> 00:45:09.059
on this, and so Richard, I'd be interested to hear yours, the

1036
00:45:09.059 --> 00:45:12.900
scene in the circle where Ace and Xiao Yung, can we just mention a

1037
00:45:12.900 --> 00:45:16.440
non-white supporting character, once again, much like Earl Sigma

1038
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:20.219
last year, so Doctor Who is trying to get non-white faces on

1039
00:45:20.219 --> 00:45:21.239
screen, which is fantastic.

1040
00:45:21.300 --> 00:45:22.800
In general, I really like her.

1041
00:45:22.860 --> 00:45:24.179
I think she's a good foil for ace.

1042
00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:29.460
In the circle scene where Morgain starts manipulating them and

1043
00:45:29.460 --> 00:45:33.360
Xiao Yung starts talking about how Ace is a juvenile delinquent

1044
00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:37.019
and Ace fires back with pretty much racist abuse.

1045
00:45:37.139 --> 00:45:38.940
What do we think of that scene?

1046
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:39.539
Does she?

1047
00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:40.739
Yeah, she does.

1048
00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:43.619
It's really hard to hear.

1049
00:45:43.619 --> 00:45:46.679
We're discussing it on Twitter with friend of the podcast, Andrew

1050
00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:49.679
Hodson, and I may have misheard what's said, and I don't want to

1051
00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:49.980
say it.

1052
00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:51.599
Do you know what I mean on this podcast?

1053
00:45:51.659 --> 00:45:57.179
But the trouble with it, and it's an unavoidable problem, I think

1054
00:45:57.179 --> 00:46:00.539
in that you aren't going to really broadcast, you know, on a show

1055
00:46:00.539 --> 00:46:04.199
where she constantly calls people bilge bag and toe rag and stuff

1056
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:05.699
like her kind of abuse is always.

1057
00:46:05.699 --> 00:46:09.179
So Manchu talons and fingers.

1058
00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:11.820
But she's never going to say anything that sounds like a real

1059
00:46:11.820 --> 00:46:13.019
racial slur.

1060
00:46:13.260 --> 00:46:14.639
Yeah.

1061
00:46:14.699 --> 00:46:18.900
And so it is kids TV racial slur and it is, she sort of swallows

1062
00:46:18.900 --> 00:46:20.579
it as if she's embarrassed by it.

1063
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:21.719
She certainly says it really quickly.

1064
00:46:21.780 --> 00:46:23.099
Look, I think...

1065
00:46:23.099 --> 00:46:24.840
I don't mind having those things brought to the surface.

1066
00:46:24.900 --> 00:46:27.059
No, I don't think that's bad either.

1067
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:29.400
I just don't think the scene quite works.

1068
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:34.320
It's just nice to have another young lady who doesn't have

1069
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:37.500
elongated fingernails in this one.

1070
00:46:37.619 --> 00:46:39.539
Well, I mean, it's pretty Kruger fingernails.

1071
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:42.239
It would have been nice to have Shao Jung in the show without

1072
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:45.900
having to make a point of her race at some point in the story.

1073
00:46:46.380 --> 00:46:49.260
Yeah, but it's a point of crisis.

1074
00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:54.300
It's unwrapping of the id and, you know, the removal of the super

1075
00:46:54.300 --> 00:46:58.440
ego and the seeing of the what is are the real flaws and what with

1076
00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:01.019
the true fears in both of these young people.

1077
00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:05.820
So, of course, it could actually just be a projection of, I keep

1078
00:47:05.820 --> 00:47:08.280
wanting to refer to her as the girl from the Tomorrow people

1079
00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:12.000
because she didn't register for me as a character, which is a nice

1080
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:12.420
thing.

1081
00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:15.360
She registered for me as just another girl in the show.

1082
00:47:15.420 --> 00:47:18.420
So I agree with you, and that's probably why it is a shock and why

1083
00:47:18.420 --> 00:47:21.239
I missed it, because you don't read her that way.

1084
00:47:21.300 --> 00:47:24.059
So when there is a race of slurs, because, oh, because that

1085
00:47:24.059 --> 00:47:28.079
Dorothy is your fears and probably the other girl's great fears

1086
00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:30.420
that have been projected and that Ace is picking up on.

1087
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:33.900
They're all picked, they seem to be mirroring each other's

1088
00:47:33.900 --> 00:47:34.500
darkness.

1089
00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:38.460
So it does make sense that, oh, you've seen my shame or what I

1090
00:47:38.460 --> 00:47:38.699
fear.

1091
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:40.019
Yeah.

1092
00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:41.340
I think it works really well.

1093
00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:42.360
I really like that scene.

1094
00:47:42.420 --> 00:47:46.440
It could have been cripplingly celestial toy makery, but it

1095
00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:48.719
gets...

1096
00:47:48.780 --> 00:47:51.900
Oh, and I quite like then Gene Marsh appears and she's underlit

1097
00:47:51.900 --> 00:47:54.960
because she's outside of the bright circle and also not as young

1098
00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:55.380
as she was.

1099
00:47:55.980 --> 00:47:59.460
But there's also the thing too, where the whole point is that

1100
00:47:59.460 --> 00:48:02.820
she's got to protect the sword and when she fails to do that, the

1101
00:48:02.820 --> 00:48:06.179
doctor isn't angry at her like she expects it to be a failure.

1102
00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:10.079
She's failed, but in fact, you know, provided that she stayed

1103
00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:12.780
alive. interesting that Morgan let them live.

1104
00:48:12.900 --> 00:48:17.280
Yeah, again, she does have a different morality. think that's

1105
00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:18.000
respect for Merlin.

1106
00:48:18.059 --> 00:48:18.659
Yeah.

1107
00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:21.659
And also that they are, they are non-combatants.

1108
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:22.380
They are not soldiers.

1109
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:23.340
Very true.

1110
00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:27.300
I said a few weeks ago that there was one scene where I thought

1111
00:48:27.300 --> 00:48:29.460
Silv just doesn't get the line reading, right?

1112
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:33.119
And it's actually when he comes back to the hotel when Morgain is

1113
00:48:33.119 --> 00:48:34.679
attacking ACL.

1114
00:48:34.739 --> 00:48:36.420
If they're dead.

1115
00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:40.800
It's like, it's like he's going for, if they're dead, and also

1116
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:44.699
trying to shout it at the same time, and it just, I don't get what

1117
00:48:44.699 --> 00:48:46.199
he's going for in that.

1118
00:48:46.260 --> 00:48:47.579
Pierce Brosnan either.

1119
00:48:48.059 --> 00:48:52.320
That's what you call everything bad these days, Richard.

1120
00:48:52.380 --> 00:48:53.460
Really?

1121
00:48:53.460 --> 00:48:55.199
Dinner, you know.

1122
00:48:55.260 --> 00:48:56.519
The weather.

1123
00:48:56.579 --> 00:49:00.599
Malcolm, Malcolm Turnbull's very Pierce Brosnan.

1124
00:49:00.659 --> 00:49:03.239
Actually, that could be dated by the time we put this out.

1125
00:49:03.300 --> 00:49:04.920
He may not be Prime Minister anymore.

1126
00:49:05.699 --> 00:49:09.420
We could have a potato as prime minister instead of a bag of

1127
00:49:09.420 --> 00:49:09.780
rice.

1128
00:49:10.860 --> 00:49:12.599
Anyone for chips?

1129
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:20.400
So we've got the tag scene, which feels like the end of one of the

1130
00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:23.699
early Emma Peel Colour Avengers episodes.

1131
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:25.739
Nathan, you may not have seen these.

1132
00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:30.000
So season 4 of the Avengers.

1133
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:32.219
The black and white ones thing.

1134
00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:35.280
They always drive off in a different vehicle, something related to

1135
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:36.059
the episode.

1136
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:41.280
They continue that in the 1st colour season, but it's always the

1137
00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:44.460
same country house they're driving away from, they have a little

1138
00:49:44.460 --> 00:49:47.099
conversation inside, and then all of a sudden they're out in some

1139
00:49:47.099 --> 00:49:49.920
weird car and drive out through the gate, and that's the tag

1140
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:50.340
scene.

1141
00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:54.300
And that's what this feels like to be because you've got the

1142
00:49:54.300 --> 00:49:57.420
brigadier, Anselon, and the doctor sitting out in the garden.

1143
00:49:57.420 --> 00:50:02.519
And then it turns out that all the female leads.

1144
00:50:02.579 --> 00:50:06.599
So Doris, Bambera, Xiao Jung, and Ace are going off for a drive-in

1145
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:06.900
town.

1146
00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:08.099
I had shopping.

1147
00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:10.920
Yeah, because that's what girls do. right.

1148
00:50:10.980 --> 00:50:11.699
I don't mind it.

1149
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:15.000
I wish more gain had been there as well.

1150
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:16.440
She could have gone shopping as well.

1151
00:50:16.500 --> 00:50:17.400
Wouldn't that have been awesome?

1152
00:50:17.460 --> 00:50:19.440
What is this thing you call shopping?

1153
00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:23.219
It's a very carry-on kind of ending, isn't it?

1154
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:25.559
It feels like the cover of the beano or the dandy Christmas

1155
00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:26.159
special.

1156
00:50:26.219 --> 00:50:29.159
But the script is originally heading towards the death of the

1157
00:50:29.159 --> 00:50:29.699
British.

1158
00:50:29.699 --> 00:50:30.059
Yes.

1159
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:33.719
Yeah, so we would have had a very, very different ending from

1160
00:50:33.719 --> 00:50:33.900
that.

1161
00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:37.920
But the show is no longer as cynical as it once was.

1162
00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:42.239
And this and the previous 3 and 3 quarter episodes would not have

1163
00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:43.019
supported it.

1164
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:43.980
No, exactly.

1165
00:50:44.039 --> 00:50:45.719
The tone would have been quite wrong.

1166
00:50:45.780 --> 00:50:47.880
And so it's a lovely ending.

1167
00:50:47.940 --> 00:50:51.360
And there is that thing, we'll bring a major character back and

1168
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:51.960
kill them.

1169
00:50:52.019 --> 00:50:53.099
That's drama.

1170
00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:53.880
That's so exciting.

1171
00:50:53.940 --> 00:50:56.400
But it's such a...

1172
00:50:56.400 --> 00:51:00.119
Adolescent, Saywardian kind of...

1173
00:51:01.260 --> 00:51:03.840
You know, version of drama.

1174
00:51:03.900 --> 00:51:06.480
Whereas this, I think, is so light and so funny.

1175
00:51:06.539 --> 00:51:11.880
It gets sort of ludicrous, cafe comedy cartoon music at the end of

1176
00:51:11.880 --> 00:51:12.119
it.

1177
00:51:12.179 --> 00:51:14.820
Which, you know, works for once.

1178
00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:17.940
I do think this is Kef's worst score for the show.

1179
00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:24.900
Yeah, it's a big house, I know, but, you know, okay, there's a

1180
00:51:24.900 --> 00:51:27.840
piece in Paradise Tower, which is worse than anything in this

1181
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:29.940
story, and that's the March of the Cleaners, which I've already

1182
00:51:29.940 --> 00:51:30.420
mentioned.

1183
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:33.539
Like when they have a cleaner going down a corridor.

1184
00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:34.619
Shall we speed up the footage?

1185
00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:39.360
No, let's just put on this 62nd piece of dun, dun, dun, dun, dun

1186
00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:39.780
dun.

1187
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:43.079
Yeah, I was gonna say, it makes the sorcerer's apprentice.

1188
00:51:43.139 --> 00:51:48.059
Yeah, and as I was doing that, Richard covered Soutex ears, so she

1189
00:51:48.059 --> 00:51:48.780
also upset.

1190
00:51:48.840 --> 00:51:51.480
But yet, the scene is so lovely.

1191
00:51:51.539 --> 00:51:54.300
And yeah, the death of the brig would have been terrible.

1192
00:51:54.360 --> 00:51:57.900
In the broadcast version, and the special edition version.

1193
00:51:57.960 --> 00:51:59.760
I haven't watched the 2 scenes back to back.

1194
00:51:59.820 --> 00:52:02.280
But the scene in the special edition version where the doctor's

1195
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:05.039
saying, you know, you were meant to die in bed and cradling the

1196
00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:06.059
brigadier in his arms.

1197
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:11.099
I think they must have done something to the footage because in

1198
00:52:11.099 --> 00:52:13.860
the broadcast version, Nick Courtney is just sitting there

1199
00:52:13.860 --> 00:52:14.340
blinking.

1200
00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:19.440
But in the special edition version, maybe I just haven't noticed

1201
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:22.139
but I think they've like composited earlier frames onto his face

1202
00:52:22.139 --> 00:52:25.320
so his face is still, but the bridge is waking up and saying, of

1203
00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:26.460
course I didn't stay inside.

1204
00:52:26.519 --> 00:52:28.739
It's like, that is totally in character.

1205
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:31.019
You know, back in season 10 and season 11.

1206
00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:33.480
We kind of criticise that he'd become Colonel Blimp.

1207
00:52:33.539 --> 00:52:35.760
But he's really back in force in this one.

1208
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:38.579
I love him in Spearhead from space.

1209
00:52:38.579 --> 00:52:39.300
Yeah.

1210
00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:40.739
And he's jolly rompers.

1211
00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:43.320
And just the sly and saturnine.

1212
00:52:43.380 --> 00:52:45.179
You know, this is really department S units.

1213
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:47.519
BBC being terribly glamorous, my dear.

1214
00:52:47.579 --> 00:52:52.079
I can't wait to get popping your vesty thing that you're wearing

1215
00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:52.440
right now.

1216
00:52:52.500 --> 00:52:56.219
You're expecting him to be the sort of dumb, unimaginative

1217
00:52:56.219 --> 00:52:56.820
straight man.

1218
00:52:56.880 --> 00:52:57.960
But in fact...

1219
00:52:57.960 --> 00:52:58.800
Later on years.

1220
00:52:58.860 --> 00:53:00.480
But that's not how he was written.

1221
00:53:00.539 --> 00:53:04.079
No, he's amused by the doctor.

1222
00:53:04.139 --> 00:53:05.699
How lovely was he in the invasion?

1223
00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:07.500
He was a slick call.

1224
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:11.340
And what about Webber Fear when he was the saturnine anti-hero?

1225
00:53:11.460 --> 00:53:13.500
Courtney's had a great.

1226
00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:14.340
Oh, Brett Vion.

1227
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:19.139
No, this, I mean, this is his final appearance, obviously, in the

1228
00:53:19.139 --> 00:53:19.739
classic series.

1229
00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:23.579
So, you know, it was an incredible career and really worth

1230
00:53:23.579 --> 00:53:24.659
celebrating, I think.

1231
00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:25.800
He was spectacular.

1232
00:53:25.860 --> 00:53:28.559
And that's what the story has become, and it is a later edition.

1233
00:53:28.619 --> 00:53:31.019
There was no brigadier written into the story.

1234
00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:32.519
It was JNT suggestion.

1235
00:53:32.579 --> 00:53:35.039
Oh, if you're having a brig, why don't we use this one?

1236
00:53:35.099 --> 00:53:36.960
She was a USAF colonel, wasn't she?

1237
00:53:37.019 --> 00:53:38.579
Yeah, I think that's right.

1238
00:53:38.579 --> 00:53:39.480
I'm meant to be American.

1239
00:53:39.539 --> 00:53:41.579
Yeah, back in Silver Nemesis.

1240
00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:43.800
Nicholas Courtney was one of the tourists wandering around

1241
00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:44.400
Windsor.

1242
00:53:44.460 --> 00:53:47.940
And that's when he got chatting to JNT and JNT said...

1243
00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:51.480
Well, it was actually JNT who said to him, hey, if we wrote a

1244
00:53:51.480 --> 00:53:53.340
script, would you like to come back?

1245
00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:54.420
And he said, oh, yes, please.

1246
00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:57.300
And Janti said, what if we killed you off in a blaze of glory?

1247
00:53:57.360 --> 00:53:58.139
Oh, yes, please.

1248
00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:00.659
Because you know, any actor wants to do a death scene?

1249
00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:05.280
But I mean, I'm glad goodness they didn't do that. yeah It would

1250
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:05.880
have been inappropriate.

1251
00:54:05.940 --> 00:54:06.599
And I love that sign.

1252
00:54:06.659 --> 00:54:09.119
You were meant to die in your sleep, and then, of course, Russell

1253
00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:12.239
would have really stuck to that for Sarah Jane.

1254
00:54:12.300 --> 00:54:13.380
It's just lovely.

1255
00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:16.500
And a really appropriate sendoff, yeah.

1256
00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:17.099
Yeah, yeah.

1257
00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:18.119
This is his story.

1258
00:54:18.179 --> 00:54:19.860
I don't mind that it's his story.

1259
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:21.239
He deserves it.

1260
00:54:21.300 --> 00:54:24.300
But I do wish he'd been Brett Vion.

1261
00:54:55.260 --> 00:54:59.159
Well, dear listeners, Sylvester McCoy has just cooked us lovely

1262
00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:02.460
supper, but now we're off to somewhere where you really don't want

1263
00:55:02.460 --> 00:55:03.360
to try the soup.

1264
00:55:03.420 --> 00:55:05.280
We'll see you next week for ghost light.

1265
00:55:05.340 --> 00:55:08.460
You can find us online at flightthroughentirety.sexy flightthrough

1266
00:55:08.460 --> 00:55:11.880
entirety on Facebook and Apple Podcasts and at FTE podcast on

1267
00:55:11.880 --> 00:55:13.980
Twitter over on Bondfinger.

1268
00:55:14.039 --> 00:55:17.280
We are on a top of things with the Pierce Brosnan era of James

1269
00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:17.940
Bond.

1270
00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:20.699
You can find that at bondfinger.com, bondfinger on Facebook and

1271
00:55:20.699 --> 00:55:23.579
Apple Podcasts and at FTE podcast on Twitter.

1272
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:24.780
Until next time.

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00:55:24.900 --> 00:55:26.820
Boom.

1274
00:55:26.880 --> 00:55:28.679
Thank you very much for listening, good night.

1275
00:55:28.739 --> 00:55:29.340
Good night.

1276
00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:30.300
Good everything.

1277
00:55:48.900 --> 00:55:52.920
That was Flight of Entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, Brendan

1278
00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:53.820
Jones, and Richard Stone.

1279
00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:57.000
Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, logo designed by Anthony

1280
00:55:57.000 --> 00:55:57.780
Wells.

1281
00:55:57.840 --> 00:56:01.800
This episode, why is it up everything, was recorded on the 6th of

1282
00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:02.940
August 2017?

1283
00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:06.420
The next episode will be released on the 22nd of October.

1284
00:56:08.099 --> 00:56:12.780
Fans of Parallel Worlds in Doctor Who will enjoy Pete's World, the

1285
00:56:12.780 --> 00:56:16.139
world with fascists spoiling in lava, and the world where people's

1286
00:56:16.139 --> 00:56:19.260
rights aren't subject to a ridiculous postal survey.

1287
00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:23.519
It's the one where she saves the world thinking of her mum.

1288
00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:25.980
Again, again, and a puddle.

1289
00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:30.599
Left a puddle on the floor. a whole euphemism there for ladies.

1290
00:56:30.659 --> 00:56:33.599
Some moistened bin throwing around spaceships.

1291
00:56:33.659 --> 00:56:36.420
There's no representative basis for government.

1292
00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:44.564
And yes, and of course, you know, you can see that this...