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Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety

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the only Doctor Who commentary podcast who is half heterosexual on

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our grandmother's sides.

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That's not Canon.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm Chad.

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Richard for this one.

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And after 3.5 years we have finished the classic series and we

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jump forward 7 years in time, we're not subjecting you to

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dimensions in time, although in the show notes for this one, we're

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going to give you the link for the wonderful Andrew Auton's

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production notes version of dimensions in time, which has to be

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read to be believed.

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But today we are giving you a commentary on the telemovie starring

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Paul McGann, starring Paul McGann being the on-screen title for

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this movie.

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That comes up immediately after the word.

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So one of the other ones of whom there are many, many.

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Yes.

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Yes, the Magan is the smallest.

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They are actually a babushka doll set, aren't they?

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They're a Russian gossip, but McGain is the one that you opened

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last.

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Right.

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So we do have our copy of the Telemovie DVD in our DVD player.

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Now, this is the copy from the revisitations box set rather than

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the original edition, but as I understand, they run at the same

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speed, so everything should be fine.

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And we will be going slightly longer than the movie as just sort

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of having a postmortem and anything we didn't get a chance to say

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during it.

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But yeah.

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Billings, he's got filling.

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Grace was very busy on that operating table.

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We're just watching the little, you know, Did Clayton Hickman do

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the cards for these?

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No, no, but he did do the cover for this one, which is gorgeous.

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Yeah, yeah, we're just sitting on the menu watching Paul's

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fillings.

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Less fillings than Pete, though.

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Yeah.

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Mind you, Richard raises an interesting point that he's got

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fillings immediately after his regeneration, whereas Davison had

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them in Resurrection of the Dialects after Tegan had been punching

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him in the face for 3 years.

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Which really hurt.

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It was awesome.

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So your code word, of course, for this film, to press play is is

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clock.

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Oh, clock.

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Is that going to be my word?

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Don't don't drink.

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Don't do it when Tom says it.

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There are doors and phones in this film, Botox, so you're fine.

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Okay, so are you ready to, listener?

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clock.

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And we're away.

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The planet Scaro, which has lost its rings since, remember, it's

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the Daleks.

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There's no marbled beef.

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Skyro.

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Yeah, the faster.

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The final frontier.

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Is the 3rd of, he really is TNTNG, isn't it?

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Is this the 3rd or 4th time we've had the doctor?

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Oh, hello?

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No, it's the pet shop.

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The doctor.

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The Time Lord.

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Hang on.

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We're still in survival.

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Gallifrant.

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No, it is the old tenant. was right.

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Yeah, it's like in 11 seconds, they introduced up...

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It took 11 years to introduce this stuff in the classic series.

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Now, that was Gordon Tipple who just exploded, who is credited at

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the end of the Old Master because he was originally doing the

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opening monologue. the film.

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Oh, Lord, it's Jerry Goldsmith light.

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I hate... just awful.

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I hope.

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Well, you can see exactly what they're up to. can't you?

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This is TNG for the box set viewers at home and, oh, look, it's

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just like the X-Files only.

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It's not.

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It's a little bit like trick.

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It's a little bit like, hang on, we've already had.

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Oh, yes, it is.

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Starring poem again.

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It really is.

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Can I just say how much I hate the typography here?

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It's truly, truly awesome. is a special guest star.

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Yeah, because he won't be back.

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I was going to be his glittering future career, but I decided

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that.

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Who's that?

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Which is exactly, which is what every kid sitting at home watching

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this was saying, yeah.

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But this actually did quite well.

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It was up against, wasn't it a really big episode of Roseanne?

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The finale.

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The final episode of Roseanne.

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We didn't do well at all.

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9.08 million. in the UK, but not in the US.

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Well, to give an idea, the premiere of Enterprise, which was 6

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years after this, got 4000000 and that was seen as a great

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success.

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So this got actually quite a good rating for a TV show, but a very

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poor rating for a film.

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Or as Fox put it, the lower to average end.

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No, harsh to refer to Sylvester like that when he's spending

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over.

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That toolbox that we just saw was full of things from the Doctor

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Who Technical Manual.

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So that just goes to show exactly what sort of fanboy we're

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looking at here.

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And I think...

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Well, we are.

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And all of that stuff about nearing the end of my 7th life and

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Galifrey and Daleks and time lords and things, which is all

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horrifically boring.

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Can I just say, he's a time loan.

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Get it?

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Sorry. don't even need to know that.

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The word does the word timelord appear in in rose?

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No, um, the nesting kind of says it, but it's not front and

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centre.

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No, you don't need any of that.

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No.

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I mean, that's the problem with this, is that it is for the X

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Files, Star Trek, the Next Generation audience, both of which

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shows by this stage have a sort of massive, Actually, I don't know

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what point the X-Files is at, but year three.

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Okay, they eventually have this huge mythology, don't they?

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But it's just so wrong.

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Like in the 1st 20 seconds, all this stuff just thrown at the

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casual viewer.

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I mean, who the hell's going to engage with that?

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And who's this guy?

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Well, exactly.

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He's horrendous.

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I hate that.

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Oh, no. so thrilled at the time.

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Oh, so was I. We had Sylvester, but now I see it as a mistake.

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Yeah, see, at the time. casting my mind back, guys, I'm not going

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to labour this point too much, but you know how you talk about

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when you were sort of 10, 11, 12, and watching Doctor Who.

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Just getting a drink for this one.

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This came on when I was 12.

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Okay.

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And Doctor Who had been off the air and my family wanted to watch

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Adam's family value.

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So I had to tape it.

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That's outrageous.

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I can't believe that that's even true.

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I know, right?

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I know which one I'd choose to watch.

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That was a video easy. have gone up the road and got that.

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Video easy being a video higher store, a video, dear listener. is

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something.

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But anyway, it is a mad loop box. comes to you in tiny individual

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plastic boxes.

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Ew.

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Bruce.

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Right in front of my console.

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But I sat up after Adam's family values and rewound the tape and

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pulled out the sofa bed and watched it by myself.

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And when the credits rolled, I rewound the tape and watched it by

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myself again, for a fan at the time, this was so exciting.

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But I totally agree that for a casual audience, what the hell is

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going on?

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Look, where is he?

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Yeah, yeah.

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That is even in a, in, in what's that police box in that?

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Yeah, exactly.

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Like, you've got no idea.

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I don't think what's going on.

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They've totally thrown the major reveal, which they could build an

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entire...

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Yeah, what's this?

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Where's the junkyard?

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Where's the surprise?

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Well, that's the surprise in the box.

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And it's for a 12-year-old boy watching this.

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That would actually be quite a lot of impact right now, wouldn't

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it?

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Ew, Brendan, clean your room.

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Your poor mother.

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No wonder she insisted you get some family values.

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Oh, I love this shot.

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This should be where the movie starts.

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Yes.

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Right up the fishhead.

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Oh, all that stuff really has had.

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All that stuff we've just had can be a flashback. explaining how

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he got there.

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So the 1st time we see the doctor is when in a moment the TARDIS

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arrives and he just steps out.

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Well, except that he steps out to be like completely gunned down.

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Exactly.

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It's just ridiculous.

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Because he never checks the scanner.

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Like, we can get a screen just then saying scanner malfunction.

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Yeah, yeah.

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You should have said warning, you're in America. everyone has a

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big gun.

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Arch manipulator.

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They're in the flat part of San Francisco.

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Vancouver.

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Yes, the little moon.

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It's Vancouver, they call it.

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Oh, okay.

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It's the Canadian quarter.

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Now, Yiji So is absolutely lovely and he's worth following on

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Twitter, isn't he?

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He's terribly sweet.

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He's liked some of our stuff before.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And he also has a wonderful book out which is sort of his photo

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diary of working on the film.

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I don't know if he was a fan but he understood that this was

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something with a big history.

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So he was just thrilled to be involved.

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He's done conventions ever since.

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He gets kicked in the hand, you know.

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It's freezing cold.

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Certainly Vancouver, isn't it?

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Okay, so we just chase them over a fence so that we've got other

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people just waiting to get them.

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You remember that when this went out on the BBC, a lot of this

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sort of gunfire was cut because we'd had the Dunblane massacre

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just...

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Well, and Pertley's passing.

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So it's really referring to, that's what the plastic bags were so

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contentious, so there's body bags everywhere, which are also a

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feature of this film.

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That's actually, there was a week of national mourning in the UK

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when pert we died in 96. you remember?

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Oh, no, it was actually, it was quite intense in the media.

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And of course, you know, people were seeing another way for

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British nostalgia.

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Whooshing.

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So this is something that's new.

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Normally the TARDIS just appears via rollback and mix, but this is

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something that sticks, isn't it?

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We do get wind.

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Yeah, we often.

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We do.

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And the TARDIS materialising around?

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Or is it in front of us?

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In front of us. a bit of a shame. apologies.

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That's quite good with all them.

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It's gorgeous.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Gunshots.

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But now, yeah, like, you know, you don't even check.

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He didn't hear that.

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Oh, that's, please.

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That's awful.

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Oh, so you don't do that.

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He said like a line of dialogue, you know?

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and then boom.

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Well, we didn't even get the he didn't even get the opening

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monologue.

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And of course he shouldn't because no one will understand.

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It was on the planet Skaro, yes.

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And they're not too subtle like promotion of visiting London

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behind the TARDIS as well.

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Well, that's okay though.

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I think that's, you know, thoughtful.

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See, one thing I always praise this film for is the direction and

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the visual design.

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It does, yes.

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Everything's blue and orange, just like everything else in the

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90s.

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Blue and orange.

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Class was all...

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That's true, but Lois and Clark was shot like this.

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So were X-Files.

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So it's actually quite a lot of Deep Space 9.

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Oh, Bruce, really.

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Stop it.

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Stop it.

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Yes.

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It was a British writer, a British director, both of whom living

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in America, but Jeffrey Sachs, the director, was one of the few

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elements that both the BBC and Fox universally agreed on.

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They had a list of directors.

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Philip Siegel, the executive producer, had a list of directors, and

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he showed it to Joe Wright, who was the producer for the BBC, and

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she said, oh, Jeff Sachs, I like him.

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And then the executive, they were working with for Fox, was in

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their office and he came out and said, oh, guys, I've got to go to

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a meeting, looked at the list, and said, oh, Jeff Sachs, I like

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him.

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So it was pretty much decided then and there.

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And here's Eric Roberts.

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Hello, Eric.

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It's like before we leave, Jeff, because there'll be a lot more of

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Eric.

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Here's the reason that we get these uncanny, um, awesome worlds

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like shots, like the fish eye dissolving from the, which is

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actually all coming from the legally Bible, which we'll touch on

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I'm sure.

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But yeah, the quirkiness of this and the jump cuts and the things

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that are actually surprising and odd for American audiences is

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down to Jeffrey Sachs.

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And really lovely editing.

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Every little moment here.

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It's just like watching an episode of the New Avengers, isn't it

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Brendan?

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And I really like the fact that there's a nod there to John Smith

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like that substitute little subtle things like that I think are

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good.

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Well, I mean, I do remember at the time, I think I saw this for

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the 1st time at a sort of day event or something, you know

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Erskineville in the church hall and, uh, and, you know, obviously

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we're sort of hugely excited and we wanted it to be good.

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We so wanted it to be good.

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And it does look good, I think.

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I mean, you know, it looks like 90s television, but because Doctor

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Who had looked like sort of 80s videotape kind of, you know, in

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the studio for so long, this does look really good, the direction

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does things that the show's never done before, just a pity about

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the story.

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Now, and I just noticed something as the doctor was being wheeled

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through the reception that I don't think any censorship department

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has ever noticed.

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You looked up your skirt.

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I did.

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But they say that his heart is going wild, he must have taken

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something.

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I've never picked up.

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It's a bloody drug reference in a Doctor Who.

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And this was after damaged goods, I believe.

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I think the CGI is quite good in this.

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For 96 is actually really...

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Far off as Odo.

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No, Odo is happening.

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Yeah, Odo's happening right now from...

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Same year as the X-Files.

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So you can you can really see that Fox is just going through its

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own.

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Yeah, very on top.

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And but the thing is, there's so much about this that we're

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actually seeing on screen that meant it could have actually

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worked.

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I think, is it, we're not going to get there yet, but is it

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actually the interference of Siegel's fanboyishness and so many

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nods to the past and also maybe just that Joe Wright had no idea

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what she was doing.

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Well, this is my...

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This is the 3rd script, weren't there other scripts with like... the

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master and the Dr. Beanhart Brothers and all this sort of stuff.

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Like, I mean, I think we get out of it pretty good.

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It could have been vastly worse.

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And it could have been vastly worse if it had gone to series and

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continued.

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Could you imagine some of the mythology stuff?

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I don't think it would have necessarily had the new series if this

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had gone...

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Well, you know why Legally wasn't involved in this script.

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He was rewriting the gunfighters for the further episodes.

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So they were bringing back Dodo.

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I actually have I actually have here Leakley's 1st series pitch of

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the stories he would have written.

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Can I just comment about this shot?

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wonderful.

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Can I just say, hey, we need more frock in it.

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I have met Daphne Ashbrook cosplayed in a male version of that

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outfit in Turkish trousers.

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She was not terribly amused, but Paul McGann told me I looked

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fabulous.

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Or the saucy minxy book too.

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Well, and also that was when Debbie Watling said to me, I thought

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you were one of the normal ones.

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But, um, so...

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The 1st series was going to consist of the pirates, which was a

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reworking of the smugglers.

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A new version of the Talons of Wang Chiang in present-day New

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York.

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With Chinese actors.

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With Chinese actors.

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Earth Shock.

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Horror of Fang Rock set in Nantucket in 1906.

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That could have worked.

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The Celestial Toy Maker.

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No, that's a disaster.

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There's not so many Mr. as hits here, are they?

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The Gunfighters was going to be retitled Don't Shoot.

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I' the doctor.

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That just looks like the opening credits of survivors there for a

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second.

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Yeah, I was thinking shit elsewhere.

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We're really, in fact, it's fair game because we're not doing

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we're not necessarily doing our, whereas this come from thing for

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this story because it's come from everywhere.

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Old Sylv, isn't he lovely?

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Clock.

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But yeah, this film is all about clocks and eyes.

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So, Brendan, those stories.

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Are they like part of like telly movies or like 45 minute episodes

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or what?

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The plan was to do 13 one hour episodes.

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And how this came about was essentially through a series of

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misadventures and particularly Spielberg, who was very heavily

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involved until the legally script turned up and was basically an

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Indiana Jones ripoff.

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And Spielberg went, well, if we're not doing something new, I

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don't see the point of being involved.

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After various attempts, it went to the Fox movie, um, telemovies

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department.

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And the guy there was really keen, but Philip C.

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Gle said, look, I want to make a series.

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So one of the financiers said, I will finance this as a backdoor

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pilot.

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The guy at Fox agreed, it's a backdoor pilot.

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So Fox didn't know that it might have gone to a series.

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But that's what this guy would have presented.

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He would have said, hey, the ratings were 12 million.

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How about we do a series of this?

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Oh, here's some treatments we've got.

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So it was the idea was 13 one hour episodes after this.

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And getting back to something you asked earlier, Richard, I think

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really the only reason it didn't go to that was the Roseanne

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finale, because the rating it got was, as I said earlier, the

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lower end of average, say without Roseanne's audience, which I

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believe was in the double digits, if a few more 1000000 watched

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this, say up to, I think they were looking for 8 to 9000000 to go

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to a series.

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I reckon we could have had a series of American Doctor Who, with

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what we got with Russell and Stephen Moffatt.

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I glad we didn't.

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But at the time, I remember I was really sad and devastated

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especially with how well it did in the UK.

439
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Yeah, no, you know what?

440
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Yeah, same here.

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I wanted to go to series.

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But I mean, but again, I think there's fundamental mistakes with

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guest starring Grace, you know, but we'll talk about that.

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Well, the chemistry.

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I mean, look, there's actually more on the shelf and in the tubes

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than there is between the 2 leads, isn't there?

447
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I can't help thinking that Anita Sarkesian is up there watching

448
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this. one of those people looks very much like her.

449
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Do you know we're all there?

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lets kill him.

451
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Yeah.

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Oh, this.

453
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No, we've only paid for him for another 3 minutes.

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He's got to go.

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You know that everyone looks like Eric Roberts.

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You know, the continuing saga was all about the search for

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Ulysses.

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Bendon's just perked up a bit because he thinks he's in Ulysses 31

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again.

460
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But, oh, but yeah, bye, bye, Silver.

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This is really horrific.

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But that final moment where he sits up and goes, That as a

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classic.

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That made this scene not so sad for me because that's classic

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silve, exactly.

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And that's Brendan's safe word now.

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It's a very subtle difference.

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But yeah, you're right, Richard.

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The series was going to be about the doctor and his half-brother

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the master, who were grandsons of Barusa, who's now, who was

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almost Peter Toole and the console.

472
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. was a hologram inside the console after he was

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killed by the master and he and the doctor go off searching for

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the doctor's father, Ulysses.

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Yes.

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Who was also K-ops?

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He was also Keops. was one of the pharaohs.

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And his mother was his mother was humans.

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I'm just getting more and more despondent.

480
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The more you talk about that.

481
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Every single story was about his father was also going to be a

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brigand pirate.

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And in one script treatment, Bluebeard.

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Yes.

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So dad, it's really just, there's a whole lot of that damn bloody

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awful Joseph Campbell.

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Hero has a 1000 faces thing.

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And if you want to understand where this is really coming from

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every bloody journey treatment in a profiling Oprah Winfrey guest

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convo is about, is where this script was coming from.

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There's got to be a journey.

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And there's got to be a parental thing. you know, Star Wars did it

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really well.

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Campbell was right to keep it to that and not get involved with

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other treatments afterwards, but not after Lucas's success.

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The next 20 years was all this same story.

497
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Was Grace going to be in any of this series?

498
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No, the chemistry, they already decided by the time they finished

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shooting, that there was actually, you can have more fun putting

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bicarbon lemon juice on it, in a beak and then you'll get from

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having McGan and grace on stage.

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Really, I like their chemistry and I still do.

503
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I think the problem is that it's told from her point of view, and

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I've heard this said before, and I can't remember whether it was

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Gary Russell, or who, um, disturbingly little Gary Russell, that

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that this looks like the pilot for a show about, it might even

507
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have been Paul Cornell, friend of someone.

508
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Paul Cornell, the musical?

509
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No, no, the idea is that, you know, Grace is a surgeon in San

510
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Francisco and every week a new alien sort of appears, you know

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hospital and she has an adventure with them.

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And you know what?

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It's kind of surprising they didn't do that show.

514
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He's a poor woman.

515
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I love her.

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Now hang on.

517
00:20:57.299 --> 00:20:59.819
Eric Roberts wife is in this.

518
00:20:59.880 --> 00:21:00.779
That's her.

519
00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:01.559
That's the one.

520
00:21:01.619 --> 00:21:03.119
And he's in her and all.

521
00:21:03.180 --> 00:21:03.539
Yes.

522
00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:04.440
We go.

523
00:21:04.500 --> 00:21:05.880
She's lovely, isn't she?

524
00:21:05.940 --> 00:21:09.059
Not only does she have to be married to Bruce, she has to be

525
00:21:09.059 --> 00:21:10.500
married to Eric Roberts.

526
00:21:10.559 --> 00:21:11.700
Yeah, contract.

527
00:21:14.039 --> 00:21:16.319
See, again, another interesting shot.

528
00:21:16.440 --> 00:21:16.799
Yeah.

529
00:21:16.859 --> 00:21:20.400
Yeah, really artful, an expensive camera.

530
00:21:20.460 --> 00:21:23.279
We know how hard that was to get on happiness patrol and how they

531
00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:23.940
had to book.

532
00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:26.160
I wonder how many times she's told him not to put his uniform just

533
00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:28.079
on the bloody chair when he gets home.

534
00:21:28.140 --> 00:21:29.160
You hang it up.

535
00:21:29.220 --> 00:21:31.559
As many times as Rod has told me, I imagine.

536
00:21:31.799 --> 00:21:34.440
Now, these 2 have lovely chemistry.

537
00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:39.000
I mean, the snake and Bruce, but none of the...

538
00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:40.680
Oh, look at that. pretty cool.

539
00:21:40.740 --> 00:21:45.359
Now, I remember one of the earliest pieces of news about this was

540
00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:48.420
that the doctor was going to be bitten by a snake that was

541
00:21:48.420 --> 00:21:51.240
possessed by the master, stumble back into the TARDIS, pilot his

542
00:21:51.240 --> 00:21:53.339
way to earth, and that somehow became this.

543
00:21:53.400 --> 00:21:56.579
Now, the chap in the back here, who is the main mortician is Will

544
00:21:56.579 --> 00:21:59.759
Sasso, who has gone on to have a very good career.

545
00:21:59.819 --> 00:22:03.299
So after this, he joined the cast of Mad TV, sketch comedy show.

546
00:22:03.359 --> 00:22:08.400
Um, and uh, yeah, he's a really famous comedian.

547
00:22:08.400 --> 00:22:12.180
Most recently, his biggest role was in the Three Stooges movie

548
00:22:12.180 --> 00:22:15.180
with Sean Hayes and he played Curly, the new Curly.

549
00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:17.819
I was about to say that I'd seen him in a number of things.

550
00:22:17.880 --> 00:22:21.119
Like he did a number of, like, television stuff at this time he

551
00:22:21.119 --> 00:22:22.319
was doing these sort of little parts.

552
00:22:23.460 --> 00:22:26.819
But what's his character here?

553
00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:27.720
Pete or something?

554
00:22:27.720 --> 00:22:28.079
Pete?

555
00:22:28.079 --> 00:22:30.480
We need to get some foot rot ointment for silver.

556
00:22:30.539 --> 00:22:33.119
I mean, that's starting to get quite...

557
00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:34.799
No, he just needs to have a pedicure.

558
00:22:34.859 --> 00:22:35.940
People are eating at home, you know.

559
00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:36.599
Yeah, yeah.

560
00:22:36.599 --> 00:22:40.259
It's a, you know, it's okay to be a cadaver, but, you know, you

561
00:22:40.259 --> 00:22:40.980
still have to groom.

562
00:22:42.299 --> 00:22:47.160
Many moons ago, I did, I knew a lovely, a lovely mortician. and

563
00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:49.200
funeral home director.

564
00:22:49.259 --> 00:22:51.599
And he is this going to go?

565
00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:54.059
He's gonna have a little problem in a moment.

566
00:22:54.180 --> 00:22:58.079
Oh, Bruce. pause to reflect.

567
00:22:58.079 --> 00:22:59.519
What is your safety word?

568
00:22:59.579 --> 00:23:00.119
Open wide.

569
00:23:00.180 --> 00:23:01.079
Oh dear.

570
00:23:04.140 --> 00:23:04.980
Richard.

571
00:23:05.220 --> 00:23:07.380
Deep throat the misery.

572
00:23:07.380 --> 00:23:08.519
Oh, she's so impressed.

573
00:23:08.579 --> 00:23:13.740
No, the thing is...

574
00:23:13.799 --> 00:23:15.000
It's working for me.

575
00:23:15.059 --> 00:23:15.480
How about you?

576
00:23:15.539 --> 00:23:19.500
I have to say, if I hear Rod stop breathing in the night and can't

577
00:23:19.500 --> 00:23:22.500
listen out for his breathing, my 1st reaction is not, oh, that's

578
00:23:22.500 --> 00:23:23.700
better, I can get some sleep.

579
00:23:23.819 --> 00:23:26.759
Oh, I can usually hear him breathing.

580
00:23:26.819 --> 00:23:28.019
Is this something to worry about?

581
00:23:28.079 --> 00:23:30.240
Miranda, you horrible woman.

582
00:23:30.299 --> 00:23:32.220
Is that the character's name?

583
00:23:32.279 --> 00:23:33.119
That's the character's name.

584
00:23:33.180 --> 00:23:34.380
Miranda the horrible woman.

585
00:23:34.440 --> 00:23:35.759
Miranda horror.

586
00:23:35.819 --> 00:23:37.799
Oh, horrible.

587
00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:40.200
James Whale, just in case we missed it the 1st time now.

588
00:23:40.259 --> 00:23:43.319
Which is also, you know, been borrowed before by Doctor Who.

589
00:23:43.380 --> 00:23:45.240
I think this is a bit on the nose, actually.

590
00:23:45.299 --> 00:23:47.160
Yeah, having watched it now.

591
00:23:47.220 --> 00:23:50.039
Like at the time I thought, oh, how clever and, you know, the

592
00:23:50.039 --> 00:23:52.740
parallels, but now it's like, yeah, really?

593
00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:54.180
Terribly terribly obvious.

594
00:23:54.240 --> 00:23:56.460
Well, also, this is 1996.

595
00:23:56.640 --> 00:24:00.119
I think this is also somewhat distasteful considering that could

596
00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:01.980
well be John Pertwee on the content.

597
00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:05.400
Okay, yeah, we're now 21 minutes into this.

598
00:24:05.519 --> 00:24:08.400
And 21 years, we still have Sylvester McCoy.

599
00:24:08.460 --> 00:24:10.259
And 21 years, yes, yeah.

600
00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:12.119
And that unbalances it.

601
00:24:12.180 --> 00:24:12.779
Do you know what I mean?

602
00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:16.140
Yeah, it's a, it was just a really terrible idea.

603
00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:18.480
So they don't and what is Sylvester doing?

604
00:24:18.539 --> 00:24:20.339
No, no CG here.

605
00:24:20.400 --> 00:24:22.859
That's just Sylvester.

606
00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:23.400
Yeah.

607
00:24:23.460 --> 00:24:26.160
Clayton Hickman raises a good point about this in one of the DVD

608
00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:30.240
special features of, you know, Silver's doing full gurning and

609
00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:32.519
Paul's kind of doing, oh, do I have to?

610
00:24:33.539 --> 00:24:36.119
So the vision doesn't quite match.

611
00:24:36.180 --> 00:24:39.240
An old friend of mine, Peter Beckett, did say about this scene at

612
00:24:39.240 --> 00:24:39.539
the time.

613
00:24:39.599 --> 00:24:43.200
He's like, I get what they were going for, but you do not equate

614
00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:46.980
the rebirth of the hero with a rebirth of a monster.

615
00:24:46.980 --> 00:24:52.500
Because the Frank Whale Frankensteins monster, despite the fact

616
00:24:52.500 --> 00:24:53.940
you know, he's kind to the little girl.

617
00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:57.420
He does throw her in the pond and he is classically seen as

618
00:24:57.420 --> 00:24:59.039
monstrous rather than pitiful.

619
00:24:59.099 --> 00:25:02.460
But I mean, I guess what we want to do is a sort of comedy scare

620
00:25:02.460 --> 00:25:05.400
thing with Pete, where Pete's been watching a monster come alive

621
00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:09.480
and then, you know, so, you know, Paul McGann's playing the role

622
00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:12.180
of the pig, you're in aliens.

623
00:25:12.180 --> 00:25:14.160
Yeah, that is true.

624
00:25:17.220 --> 00:25:19.559
Which is a much better story than this.

625
00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:23.940
Oh, but again, this is so nicely directed.

626
00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:27.779
It feels a lot like a reboot of Spearhead from Space.

627
00:25:27.900 --> 00:25:30.000
Well, I think we've said this.

628
00:25:30.059 --> 00:25:31.140
Haven't we said this before?

629
00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:36.299
Both like this reboot Spearhead from Space, and we'll get the

630
00:25:36.299 --> 00:25:40.200
scene where he gets his costume, which is a direct ripoff of

631
00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:41.160
Spearhead from Space.

632
00:25:41.220 --> 00:25:44.339
And then, of course, Moffatt does that when he relaunches the

633
00:25:44.339 --> 00:25:45.420
program with Matt Smith.

634
00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:50.039
He completely rips off, rips off spear.

635
00:25:50.099 --> 00:25:50.700
Shroud.

636
00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:53.220
And you could say Russell does. his Jesus.

637
00:25:53.279 --> 00:25:55.920
Yeah, there's a lot of that.

638
00:25:56.339 --> 00:25:59.579
No, well, I think I think Spearhead from Space is the classic

639
00:25:59.579 --> 00:26:00.240
reboot.

640
00:26:00.299 --> 00:26:03.599
And whenever we want to reboot the show, we go back and redo some

641
00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:04.859
aspect of Sphere.

642
00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:06.900
And right, Rose does as well.

643
00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:08.160
That wig is horrendous.

644
00:26:08.220 --> 00:26:08.940
It is.

645
00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:12.779
Now, the wig came about because when Paul auditioned and his

646
00:26:12.779 --> 00:26:14.579
audition footage does exist and you can see it.

647
00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:18.420
When Paul auditioned, he had long hair and then he had to cut it

648
00:26:18.420 --> 00:26:20.519
off for another role and the production team didn't realise.

649
00:26:20.640 --> 00:26:22.680
It wasn't aliens, alien three.

650
00:26:22.740 --> 00:26:23.940
I think it was Alien 3.

651
00:26:24.119 --> 00:26:25.980
I mean, he did that before this.

652
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:28.319
Well, Alien 3 was 1993.

653
00:26:28.500 --> 00:26:32.759
So I think I think it had been, you know, this was already in its

654
00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:37.319
second reboot in 92, that Siegel had joined ambulance, had left

655
00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:40.559
coast to coast or green light or whatever they were damn calling

656
00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:43.619
themselves this week, gone to someone else, and then gone to

657
00:26:43.619 --> 00:26:44.220
ambulance.

658
00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:45.119
That's right.

659
00:26:45.180 --> 00:26:48.240
He was originally with Columbia, which is why the BBC was...

660
00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:50.220
But once he had Spielberg on.

661
00:26:50.279 --> 00:26:54.599
Well, Echo, this was never explained, but apparently cunning

662
00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:55.019
fucks.

663
00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:55.859
Yeah, exactly.

664
00:26:55.920 --> 00:26:56.759
Yeah.

665
00:26:56.819 --> 00:26:58.619
And yeah, I never I never understood as well.

666
00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:02.160
But in a later scene, Grace's boss says, I have to keep this

667
00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:05.039
hospital open because of course, this is the American healthcare

668
00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:05.339
system.

669
00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:06.420
Oh, that'd be it.

670
00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:08.819
I thought maybe it had been taken to the moon by the Jadoon.

671
00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:13.019
Yeah, like yeah, totally.

672
00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:17.220
Like, it's like, why are we walking into this dilapidated part of

673
00:27:17.220 --> 00:27:17.700
the hospital?

674
00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:18.359
Like, you know?

675
00:27:18.420 --> 00:27:21.180
Yeah, I mean, I'm already loving McGann. my doctor.

676
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:24.900
No, I really love it. horrifically here.

677
00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:29.460
He manages to save the execrable.

678
00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:31.559
So imagine how good he'd be with good scripts.

679
00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:33.000
There were 7 mirrors there.

680
00:27:33.059 --> 00:27:35.819
That was a deliberate, that was a deliberate choice.

681
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:39.900
The peak of humulus?

682
00:27:39.900 --> 00:27:40.799
Castravalva.

683
00:27:40.859 --> 00:27:42.480
It's also the fly.

684
00:27:42.539 --> 00:27:43.440
Yeah, you're right.

685
00:27:43.980 --> 00:27:45.960
And now he's Jesus.

686
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:50.880
Why hast thou forsaken me on this...

687
00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:52.380
I'm sorry that Hoover film set.

688
00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:53.220
That is so painful.

689
00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:54.660
Oh, yeah.

690
00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:56.460
I mean, well, it's it's hokey.

691
00:27:56.519 --> 00:27:58.200
And it's also the 90s.

692
00:27:58.259 --> 00:27:58.680
Oh, Bruce.

693
00:27:58.799 --> 00:27:59.519
Do you need a tearing?

694
00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:02.400
You've got to, you've got to, oh, bruise.

695
00:28:02.460 --> 00:28:04.619
You need an apple, something on your face.

696
00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:05.039
Yeah.

697
00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:10.500
But yeah, um, Siegel had 1st approached the BBC.

698
00:28:10.500 --> 00:28:13.859
A week before Ghostlight aired.

699
00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:18.720
That is how long Siegel had been developing this ever since Doctor

700
00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:19.440
Who went off the air.

701
00:28:19.500 --> 00:28:23.519
Do you know he'd actually been writing test scripts in the 70s as

702
00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:24.599
a child, he admits?

703
00:28:24.779 --> 00:28:27.420
Do you know who one of the other people who auditioned?

704
00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:28.079
Have we done this yet?

705
00:28:28.140 --> 00:28:30.420
We thought about listening to the other folk audition for the

706
00:28:30.420 --> 00:28:30.599
part.

707
00:28:30.660 --> 00:28:32.880
Peter Capel.aldi?

708
00:28:32.940 --> 00:28:33.359
Yes.

709
00:28:33.420 --> 00:28:36.779
John Sessions, who I would have loved, Tony Slattery.

710
00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:39.000
John Sessions has been in Doctor Who, of course.

711
00:28:39.059 --> 00:28:42.960
He was Gus in Mummy on the Island Express.

712
00:28:43.019 --> 00:28:44.519
Oh, please.

713
00:28:44.579 --> 00:28:45.599
I love John Sessions.

714
00:28:45.660 --> 00:28:48.059
Philip Siegel described that as a kiss to the past.

715
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:48.599
Sorry, go on.

716
00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:50.579
She's to the part, well, more a belch, really.

717
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:53.579
Yeah, yeah.

718
00:28:53.640 --> 00:28:57.779
Capaldi has been hovering around just like Segal has for years.

719
00:28:57.839 --> 00:28:59.220
Is it my guy yet?

720
00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:00.000
Is it my guy yet?

721
00:29:00.059 --> 00:29:00.779
And a few years.

722
00:29:00.779 --> 00:29:01.500
Oh, nod.

723
00:29:01.559 --> 00:29:04.740
A few years before this, of course, Capaldi auditioned for Captain

724
00:29:04.740 --> 00:29:06.420
Cisco we discovered recently.

725
00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:09.180
It didn't go very far.

726
00:29:09.299 --> 00:29:11.700
He was always getting into drag, wasn't he?

727
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:17.460
Oh, one of the big names that I think when it was at Amblem that

728
00:29:17.460 --> 00:29:20.039
they wanted, and apparently was interested, was Donald

729
00:29:20.039 --> 00:29:20.579
Sutherland.

730
00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:22.319
Oh, yeah, that was good for.

731
00:29:22.380 --> 00:29:23.640
Yeah, I think I remember that too.

732
00:29:23.700 --> 00:29:24.779
I liked the movie.

733
00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:27.000
And Caroline Monroe.

734
00:29:27.059 --> 00:29:30.960
Before Paul McGann, because as soon as someone suggested Paul

735
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:34.500
McGann, Philip Siegel said, I watched with Nail and I decided, yes

736
00:29:34.500 --> 00:29:34.980
he was perfect.

737
00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:39.059
But before that, um, Philip Siegel, who insisted it had to be a

738
00:29:39.059 --> 00:29:42.119
British actor, uh, his favourite...

739
00:29:42.180 --> 00:29:43.680
That was the main BBC thing, yeah.

740
00:29:43.740 --> 00:29:46.079
His favourite for the role was Michael Crawford.

741
00:29:46.140 --> 00:29:48.839
Yes, they did actually try Michael Crawford.

742
00:29:48.900 --> 00:29:50.279
Yeah, he completely shot.

743
00:29:50.339 --> 00:29:52.019
No, he was going it was going to happen, but he completely

744
00:29:52.019 --> 00:29:53.460
destroyed his entire career.

745
00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:54.960
It's a reason you haven't seen him for years.

746
00:29:55.019 --> 00:29:57.420
He was very, very naughty and mouthy.

747
00:29:57.480 --> 00:30:00.480
I thought you were going to say like he fell into the set and it

748
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:01.259
all collapsed.

749
00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:02.579
He kind of fell on top of him.

750
00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:07.799
He had a Kevin Rudd meltdown period on Broadway and off and just

751
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:09.779
being, well, there are many others.

752
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:12.059
Teresa May's leaders falling off the wall, you know.

753
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:14.759
Amanda's going to be in for a little bit of a shock.

754
00:30:14.819 --> 00:30:15.420
Yeah.

755
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:20.400
This was another one of the cuts in the UK, not vision, but the

756
00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:24.059
audio coming up was heavily muted.

757
00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:26.400
Oh, is there a sort of crunching noise?

758
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:27.420
crunching noise, yeah.

759
00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:30.839
Oh, he's expertly billed, isn't he, old Eric?

760
00:30:30.900 --> 00:30:34.019
And I would like to say also they're still together and they do

761
00:30:34.019 --> 00:30:35.700
lots of charity work together, these two actors.

762
00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:36.299
Lovely.

763
00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:38.579
Well, is that what they call their acting now, charity?

764
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:41.460
I have to say, the chemistry between these 2 is fantastic and I

765
00:30:41.460 --> 00:30:45.059
want to be married, but really, if the 2 leads, already, one of

766
00:30:45.059 --> 00:30:47.759
them is actually, although I love Paul is capturing more attention

767
00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:51.059
for me, I think Eric Roberts gets this exactly right for an

768
00:30:51.059 --> 00:30:51.599
American audience.

769
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:55.559
There's lots of homage to the 70s, but he's like a lot of the

770
00:30:55.559 --> 00:30:58.319
actors who were living in the UK at the time and had watched it

771
00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:01.440
he's not slavishly trying to follow it, and neither is McGann.

772
00:31:01.500 --> 00:31:04.380
Well, I gather that Eric, he was cast very late.

773
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:07.019
Oh, this is one of my favourite lines in the film.

774
00:31:11.460 --> 00:31:16.440
And Will Sasso has talked about this film and said, you know, it

775
00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:17.220
was my big break.

776
00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:18.420
Casting agent saw me.

777
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:19.140
I got some jokes.

778
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:20.279
I got to do slapstick.

779
00:31:20.339 --> 00:31:23.519
We should say for that, we should say... drug reference, we should

780
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:24.720
say...

781
00:31:24.839 --> 00:31:28.140
We should say for the listeners listening to this on the train.

782
00:31:28.259 --> 00:31:31.019
Oh, sorry, the line was Grace says, I don't think the 2nd coming

783
00:31:31.019 --> 00:31:34.500
happens here to which Pete replies, do you think he's going to go

784
00:31:34.500 --> 00:31:35.220
to a better hospital?

785
00:31:35.940 --> 00:31:38.220
Okay, can we talk the costume?

786
00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:40.200
Oh, it's shockingly bad.

787
00:31:40.259 --> 00:31:43.680
I mean, yeah, it's neo-romantic poets.

788
00:31:43.740 --> 00:31:46.380
Actually, although where was pop music going to go at this time?

789
00:31:46.619 --> 00:31:52.680
But I failed to register the costume as terrifically bad because

790
00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:54.420
all I see is the hair.

791
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:55.980
It is bad.

792
00:31:56.099 --> 00:31:59.759
And they justify the costume in the plot because we found out in

793
00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:02.099
an earlier scene, there's a costume party coming up at the

794
00:32:02.099 --> 00:32:03.900
hospital, which we'll see later.

795
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:07.799
It's not like pert we just stealing a particularly camp surgeons

796
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:08.940
sort of cape.

797
00:32:08.940 --> 00:32:10.380
Well, he's actually stolen.

798
00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:11.940
The other...

799
00:32:11.940 --> 00:32:15.539
He's stolen the other morgue attendance costume.

800
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:18.180
Because the other morgue attendant said earlier on, I'm going as

801
00:32:18.180 --> 00:32:19.319
Wild Bill Hickock.

802
00:32:19.380 --> 00:32:21.299
It's the Wild Bill Hickock costume.

803
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:27.599
I got a local costume shop to remake this costume for my year 10

804
00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:28.079
formal.

805
00:32:28.140 --> 00:32:30.839
It wasn't made out of velvet.

806
00:32:30.900 --> 00:32:31.559
That's gorgeous.

807
00:32:31.619 --> 00:32:33.599
It is...

808
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:34.920
I was going to say that's sad.

809
00:32:34.980 --> 00:32:36.839
But anyway, it's both.

810
00:32:36.900 --> 00:32:38.700
It's yes.

811
00:32:38.700 --> 00:32:39.839
Do you still have it?

812
00:32:39.900 --> 00:32:41.819
No. no, no, no.

813
00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:45.059
They made it on the proviso that they would then be able to rent

814
00:32:45.059 --> 00:32:47.700
it out as a riverboat gambler costume.

815
00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:48.299
Okay, okay.

816
00:32:48.299 --> 00:32:48.599
Yeah.

817
00:32:48.660 --> 00:32:51.720
So it didn't cost any more than a normal rental because they got

818
00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:52.140
to keep it.

819
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:54.299
So is this the same night?

820
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:56.460
So she's gone in the next morning?

821
00:32:56.519 --> 00:32:58.440
It's the next morning, but she's been there all night.

822
00:32:58.500 --> 00:32:59.460
She hasn't been home.

823
00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:00.180
Yeah.

824
00:33:00.180 --> 00:33:04.380
So when she gets home, Bruce has already cleared all of her stuff

825
00:33:04.380 --> 00:33:05.519
out of the apartment.

826
00:33:05.940 --> 00:33:10.799
Brian has taken all his Brian and Simon have both. cleared it

827
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:10.980
out.

828
00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:14.099
Oh, dear.

829
00:33:14.099 --> 00:33:17.759
Well, I think that he's probably having an affair behind her back

830
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:22.680
with a removalist or even a whole bunch of removalists.

831
00:33:22.740 --> 00:33:24.180
I picked that up as well.

832
00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:26.700
I think he's the one that keeps insisting on frocking up and going

833
00:33:26.700 --> 00:33:27.359
to Paccini.

834
00:33:27.420 --> 00:33:28.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah. for the ride.

835
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:30.599
Can we go back to that?

836
00:33:30.660 --> 00:33:33.839
I really found that irritating that the Paccini playing in the

837
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:36.599
surgeon scene this time around when I watched it recently.

838
00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:38.220
Again, it's very ER St.

839
00:33:38.220 --> 00:33:38.640
Elsewhere.

840
00:33:38.700 --> 00:33:41.519
I liked it at the time, but again, it's like, I just kind of

841
00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:42.119
rolled my eyes.

842
00:33:42.180 --> 00:33:44.759
They're very heavy handed with the, aren't we gorgeous stuff?

843
00:33:44.819 --> 00:33:47.880
Yeah, yeah, they're right. as you might say.

844
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:53.220
But I think I think it is wonderful to have a production team who

845
00:33:53.220 --> 00:33:57.359
clearly care, not just about wanting to make a good show, but they

846
00:33:57.359 --> 00:34:00.359
want, they want to bring it back and they want it.

847
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:03.059
Hey, stop being a creep.

848
00:34:03.119 --> 00:34:08.219
Yeah, they want it not to be the doctor's searching for his father

849
00:34:08.219 --> 00:34:11.760
with the ghost of his grandfather in the crystals of the Tartars

850
00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:14.579
appearing like Jorrell to give him his mission at the start of

851
00:34:14.579 --> 00:34:14.880
every hour.

852
00:34:14.940 --> 00:34:15.900
No, no.

853
00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:18.480
I mean, it is it could have been much worse, but it's still bad.

854
00:34:18.539 --> 00:34:19.559
It's still too much.

855
00:34:19.619 --> 00:34:23.519
It's actually a comic strip presents remake of an American

856
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:24.179
classic.

857
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:28.019
Do you remember that one they did the strike with Arthur Skargill

858
00:34:28.019 --> 00:34:31.139
as Al Pacino and Jennifer Saunders as Meryl Streep?

859
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:32.699
That's what we're seeing right.

860
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:37.860
I've got to get onto a Harley Davidson and rescue and compound it

861
00:34:37.860 --> 00:34:41.579
or imploding mindful shaft full of orphan children before I get

862
00:34:41.579 --> 00:34:42.360
into the Land Rover.

863
00:34:42.420 --> 00:34:46.079
I'm glad she's got a Land Rover, like Bambera and all of them.

864
00:34:46.139 --> 00:34:48.960
I'm not back to...

865
00:34:49.019 --> 00:34:50.519
That's also said in 1999.

866
00:34:50.699 --> 00:34:51.420
Oh, okay.

867
00:34:51.900 --> 00:34:53.519
I like this.

868
00:34:53.579 --> 00:34:54.179
I do like this.

869
00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:57.840
Is she the Caroline John of this story that we would have had.

870
00:34:57.900 --> 00:35:00.900
I mean, I'm still feeling we're in a unit car park.

871
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:03.000
I really wanted her to go with him.

872
00:35:03.059 --> 00:35:06.059
Yeah, I think the only reason she didn't was they didn't know

873
00:35:06.059 --> 00:35:09.480
whether it would go to a series and...

874
00:35:09.539 --> 00:35:12.239
That's the other end of Cheryl and Finn, isn't it?

875
00:35:12.300 --> 00:35:14.340
After she does that thing with a cherry stork.

876
00:35:15.059 --> 00:35:17.099
I don't know what that means.

877
00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:18.960
Twin Peaks.

878
00:35:19.619 --> 00:35:20.880
Yeah, the twin peaks, mate.

879
00:35:20.940 --> 00:35:21.960
Oh, 2 hearts. here we go.

880
00:35:22.019 --> 00:35:22.619
More information.

881
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:23.699
Another great line.

882
00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:25.980
You have to get me out of here before they kill me again.

883
00:35:26.039 --> 00:35:28.739
And the thing is, he just delivers it like, you have to get me out

884
00:35:28.739 --> 00:35:32.880
of here before they they stub my toe. really inconvenient.

885
00:35:32.940 --> 00:35:35.099
It's a good moment from Paul, then.

886
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:35.760
Yeah, yeah.

887
00:35:35.820 --> 00:35:40.440
I find that he has like, for me, it's like Nicole Kidman.

888
00:35:40.500 --> 00:35:43.500
She has these moments of like nothing and then he's Nicole Kidman

889
00:35:43.500 --> 00:35:45.960
acting moment, and I find that with Paul, he's the Paul McGann

890
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:48.119
acting moment, but whereas I hate her acting moments, I really

891
00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:49.320
like his really...

892
00:35:49.380 --> 00:35:51.480
Well, if you've met Nicole, you might want to expand your

893
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:53.219
opinion.

894
00:35:53.219 --> 00:35:55.860
I've had the displeasure of several times.

895
00:35:55.920 --> 00:35:58.079
Lots of stories which aren't for the podcast.

896
00:35:58.139 --> 00:35:59.519
What's her name?

897
00:35:59.579 --> 00:36:01.199
She's good, isn't she?

898
00:36:01.260 --> 00:36:02.820
The character is called Wheeler.

899
00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:04.559
Now this scene...

900
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:06.480
She's the Joan Sims of this film, isn't she?

901
00:36:06.539 --> 00:36:07.199
Yeah, she is.

902
00:36:07.260 --> 00:36:10.139
This scene, there was in, there was intended to be a cameo from

903
00:36:10.139 --> 00:36:13.320
Silv in this scene when...

904
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:14.099
Oh, yeah.

905
00:36:14.099 --> 00:36:16.980
I never got this as a kid.

906
00:36:17.099 --> 00:36:20.699
Because in the script and in Gary Russell's novelisation, It

907
00:36:20.699 --> 00:36:25.260
explains that the human body cannot contain the time lord energy.

908
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:28.860
So he is a walking corpse and he is rapidly decaying, which is why

909
00:36:28.860 --> 00:36:31.739
he's got this urge that I have to steal the doctor's body.

910
00:36:31.860 --> 00:36:33.480
Is that Anthony Amy's career?

911
00:36:33.539 --> 00:36:34.380
Yes, that's right.

912
00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:37.079
But in this scene, um, the Asian child.

913
00:36:37.139 --> 00:36:39.659
I mean, I'm going to lie. love the way he delivers it.

914
00:36:39.780 --> 00:36:42.480
I also like that he's getting used to the idea of talking through

915
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:42.960
this body.

916
00:36:43.019 --> 00:36:44.639
Yeah, yeah, they're cameos.

917
00:36:44.699 --> 00:36:49.320
That's like the brigadier and Joe Grant and flew them all to

918
00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:49.980
Vancouver.

919
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:53.340
It's pretty confident, isn't it?

920
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:55.860
But yeah, Bruce was going to be stalking this guy through the

921
00:36:55.860 --> 00:36:59.099
corridors of the hospital who looked like Sylv and it was, I

922
00:36:59.099 --> 00:37:01.980
gather going to be Sylv in a little bit of makeup, but the idea

923
00:37:01.980 --> 00:37:07.019
was it wasn't him, but it was to establish that he, this is the

924
00:37:07.019 --> 00:37:07.860
doctor's enemy.

925
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:11.820
But they dropped it because it would have been an extra scene for

926
00:37:11.820 --> 00:37:12.239
Sil.

927
00:37:12.300 --> 00:37:13.920
They already had days cut out of the production.

928
00:37:13.980 --> 00:37:15.300
It was meant to be a 30 day production.

929
00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:20.219
It ended up being 28, but they had cut it back to 24, which.

930
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:23.219
Jeffrey Sax only agreed to do it because it had longer than the

931
00:37:23.219 --> 00:37:26.639
usual telly movie to shoot and then they kept cutting gays and he

932
00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:27.119
wasn't impressed.

933
00:37:27.179 --> 00:37:29.699
He liked that sofa. didn't like the telemark.

934
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:31.619
I like everything about this scene together.

935
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:34.139
This is one of the doctory moments that made me realise I really

936
00:37:34.139 --> 00:37:34.500
like him.

937
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:35.400
Yeah, yeah.

938
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:38.340
Well, just because he's actually getting to do stuff just straight

939
00:37:38.340 --> 00:37:41.519
to camera without lots of idiot effects going off all around him.

940
00:37:41.579 --> 00:37:43.500
But yeah, he has great charm.

941
00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:45.780
Have you noticed how clever the shooting is to make him.

942
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:47.039
Oh my lord, you know who that is?

943
00:37:47.099 --> 00:37:49.199
Just in case you missed it.

944
00:37:49.260 --> 00:37:49.800
That's St.

945
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:50.039
Anne.

946
00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:53.400
That's Leonardo's sketch of Mary's mother.

947
00:37:53.460 --> 00:37:56.699
Just in case you're missing the immaculate conception motif.

948
00:37:56.760 --> 00:37:58.559
Oh, my goodness.

949
00:37:58.619 --> 00:38:01.139
They just beat me around the head with a fricken brick.

950
00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:06.179
In especially this scene where she's trying to come up with all

951
00:38:06.179 --> 00:38:09.119
sorts of justifications, but eventually has to accept that he does

952
00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:09.900
have 2 hearts.

953
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:11.219
Scully.

954
00:38:11.340 --> 00:38:15.420
It's quite good in this show, even though she's intensely non, but

955
00:38:15.420 --> 00:38:18.179
it's a nice thing to have the doctor meeting people who are just

956
00:38:18.179 --> 00:38:18.719
not English.

957
00:38:21.059 --> 00:38:22.980
And also independently intelligent.

958
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:23.940
Yes, yes.

959
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:26.340
Which is why she's reminding me of Liz Shaw.

960
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:28.380
And not just that, yeah. in any ways over.

961
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:29.519
I'm with Todd.

962
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:31.139
I actually really like these 2 together.

963
00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:32.880
And what's on the mantlepiece?

964
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:34.079
I think this is great.

965
00:38:34.139 --> 00:38:36.119
And they're getting to exposition.

966
00:38:36.179 --> 00:38:37.320
Oh, Mr. Clark.

967
00:38:37.500 --> 00:38:39.179
Take 2 drinks.

968
00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:41.579
I'm just misemerized by them.

969
00:38:41.639 --> 00:38:42.960
I have 13 lights.

970
00:38:43.019 --> 00:38:45.539
Another bit of information too much for us.

971
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:49.320
We need that, and we need that episode's down the track, not now.

972
00:38:49.380 --> 00:38:52.860
Well, the 1st season of Doctor Who, and obviously this wasn't

973
00:38:52.860 --> 00:38:56.519
planned, the 1st series, rather, of Doctor Who, has a regeneration

974
00:38:56.519 --> 00:38:58.320
at the end, but doesn't mention it.

975
00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:02.280
And I think Russell's Bible says let's not mention regeneration.

976
00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:03.780
Let's not have any of that.

977
00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:07.019
Yeah, let's not throw everything in a garden.

978
00:39:07.139 --> 00:39:09.599
I mean Gallifrey's not even mentioned until when.

979
00:39:09.659 --> 00:39:12.360
The Christmas special with Catherine Tann.

980
00:39:12.420 --> 00:39:12.719
The date.

981
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:14.519
Yeah, so that mentioned the planet's name.

982
00:39:14.579 --> 00:39:16.079
I mean, that sense.

983
00:39:16.139 --> 00:39:16.320
Yeah.

984
00:39:16.380 --> 00:39:20.519
Now, here where he seems to see into Grace's past, that was a

985
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:24.420
conception of the writer, Matthew Jacobs, son of the gunfighters

986
00:39:24.420 --> 00:39:25.619
actor Anthony Jacobs.

987
00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:26.519
I like this.

988
00:39:26.579 --> 00:39:28.559
I like it, the fact that he has these moments.

989
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:30.119
Yeah, it really worked, didn't it?

990
00:39:30.179 --> 00:39:33.420
That's better than Sylvester McCoy's Malapropisms in time of the

991
00:39:33.420 --> 00:39:34.019
Rani anyway.

992
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:35.880
Well, anything's better than that.

993
00:39:35.940 --> 00:39:39.539
Again, I would recommend to anyone seek out a copy of Gary

994
00:39:39.539 --> 00:39:45.179
Russell's novelisation because as Gary put it once, you know, I

995
00:39:45.179 --> 00:39:49.079
was adapting a very fast paced 100 minute script.

996
00:39:49.139 --> 00:39:51.360
So I included stuff from the character sketches.

997
00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:54.059
And the character sketch for Grace is the reason she became a

998
00:39:54.059 --> 00:39:56.400
doctor is her mother passed away from cancer.

999
00:39:56.519 --> 00:40:00.420
So the whole, and that's the doctor looking into her past, saying

1000
00:40:00.420 --> 00:40:01.380
it's a childish dream.

1001
00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:04.019
Yeah, holding back, holding back.

1002
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:07.380
So he gets the companion moment of discovering the Tartars.

1003
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:08.159
Which is fantastic.

1004
00:40:08.219 --> 00:40:11.760
I do see Chang Li as a companion in the mould of Turlo.

1005
00:40:11.820 --> 00:40:13.980
And if it had gone to a series, it would have been great if he had

1006
00:40:13.980 --> 00:40:15.599
gone back and picked up Grayson Chang.

1007
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:17.159
Better Turlo than Adrick.

1008
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:22.079
Okay, how are we feeling about this set?

1009
00:40:22.139 --> 00:40:23.940
Now we hear, oh, I should say this TARDIS.

1010
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:25.260
I like it.

1011
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:27.360
I actually really liked it at the time.

1012
00:40:27.420 --> 00:40:29.099
You know, like, I think it's pretty good.

1013
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:30.719
It's just not a TARDIS.

1014
00:40:30.780 --> 00:40:37.619
Well, it's got a kind of steampunk...

1015
00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:44.039
I mean, it is, you know, and the time machine, obviously, you know

1016
00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:46.380
like Welles's time machine, which he was obviously pictured

1017
00:40:46.380 --> 00:40:46.739
reading.

1018
00:40:47.340 --> 00:40:49.199
Just in case you missed it.

1019
00:40:49.260 --> 00:40:49.980
Yeah, yeah.

1020
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:52.500
Yeah, well, in fact, it was the only way of knowing that you were

1021
00:40:52.500 --> 00:40:54.360
in a time machine, as Todd pointed out.

1022
00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:57.000
Yeah, I like the fact that here you've got, like, you says, the

1023
00:40:57.000 --> 00:40:59.639
TARDIS really likes you, like making the TARDIS sort of a lie.

1024
00:40:59.699 --> 00:41:00.539
But do we really need this?

1025
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:02.280
The audiences don't know what the tartis is.

1026
00:41:02.340 --> 00:41:02.880
No, exactly.

1027
00:41:03.179 --> 00:41:06.659
Everything is inverted in the wrong in a way that isn't

1028
00:41:06.659 --> 00:41:07.199
pleasurable.

1029
00:41:07.260 --> 00:41:11.280
And this would have been a great moment to have the master do the

1030
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:13.679
whole time and relative dimension in space.

1031
00:41:13.739 --> 00:41:15.480
It's bigger on the inside than the outside, which would have

1032
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:17.880
explained to the audience and been a nice thing for fans to have

1033
00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:18.659
the master do that.

1034
00:41:18.719 --> 00:41:22.019
I just want to say earlier on in this scene, Chang Li immediately

1035
00:41:22.019 --> 00:41:25.860
recognises Bruce by name, he's got a fantastic memory for a

1036
00:41:25.860 --> 00:41:26.460
paramedic.

1037
00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:27.599
Paramedic guy.

1038
00:41:27.659 --> 00:41:29.519
He just he just rode with for like 10 minutes.

1039
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:34.380
And I like, I like, the fact that he's sort of mesmerised by the

1040
00:41:34.380 --> 00:41:37.619
eyes, a nice nod back to hypnotism.

1041
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:39.300
Yeah.

1042
00:41:39.300 --> 00:41:40.800
But you have to really know that, really.

1043
00:41:40.860 --> 00:41:45.539
Like, well, I think I think, though, with the popularity of the X

1044
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:48.000
Files, people are used to the ideas of hypnotism, he's got funny

1045
00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:50.639
eyes now, so he can hypnotise people.

1046
00:41:50.699 --> 00:41:57.119
Um, So is the best thing about this. this whole thing is that it's

1047
00:41:57.119 --> 00:42:02.159
an object lesson to Russell T. Davies, about how not to launch the

1048
00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:02.699
series.

1049
00:42:03.059 --> 00:42:04.260
Well, that's how he describes it.

1050
00:42:04.260 --> 00:42:05.579
Do any of these things?

1051
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:08.159
Yeah, he actually... listen to the opposite.

1052
00:42:08.219 --> 00:42:09.780
Doctor Who, what not today?

1053
00:42:10.860 --> 00:42:14.760
Yeah, I think what I think, though, what saves it is, there are

1054
00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:17.099
lots of lovely scenes and lots of lovely moments.

1055
00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:18.960
And the character work is good.

1056
00:42:19.019 --> 00:42:20.099
The direction is good.

1057
00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:25.320
It's just, they needed to show the script to someone outside the

1058
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:26.099
organisation.

1059
00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:29.639
They needed to show the script to someone who had no idea what

1060
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:30.239
Doctor Who was.

1061
00:42:30.300 --> 00:42:31.079
Yes.

1062
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:35.579
This is a great indication of why Baron Putnam, as he is now.

1063
00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:40.260
David Putman left Columbia and went on to, you know, he's now

1064
00:42:40.260 --> 00:42:42.719
because he simply said that, you know, he made lovely films like

1065
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:48.179
local hero starring Peter Capaldi and all of, you know, and was

1066
00:42:48.179 --> 00:42:48.780
mates with everyone.

1067
00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:52.260
He said, there were too many suits writing the scripts behind us.

1068
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:53.940
We just couldn't get over what we wanted.

1069
00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:55.920
We're right in the middle of the heat of that.

1070
00:42:55.980 --> 00:43:00.539
But you know that Siegel said that this was his least favourite of

1071
00:43:00.539 --> 00:43:01.320
the 3 scripts.

1072
00:43:01.380 --> 00:43:02.880
He wanted the legally script.

1073
00:43:02.940 --> 00:43:03.780
Gosh, did he?

1074
00:43:03.900 --> 00:43:08.219
And he's the one that insisted keeping the stuff with the eyes, the

1075
00:43:08.219 --> 00:43:10.440
mother who's, you know, half human.

1076
00:43:10.500 --> 00:43:13.380
Oh, so we have, oh, actually, does anyone else notice that?

1077
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:17.579
We have a time travelling half human who's landed back from the

1078
00:43:17.579 --> 00:43:20.099
future into San Francisco and where are the whales?

1079
00:43:20.699 --> 00:43:22.860
Voyage home, isn't it?

1080
00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:27.840
Well, and Leonard Nemoy has another connection to this film

1081
00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:30.719
process, which I'll talk about in a moment.

1082
00:43:30.780 --> 00:43:31.860
That's when that's when you know.

1083
00:43:31.860 --> 00:43:34.380
That's a really good moment when he...

1084
00:43:34.380 --> 00:43:36.300
How you find him as a doctor, Todd?

1085
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:36.960
Sorry, Brendan.

1086
00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:38.159
No, that's all right.

1087
00:43:38.219 --> 00:43:40.380
But he's not one of my favourites.

1088
00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:41.039
Really?

1089
00:43:41.099 --> 00:43:43.199
You haven't had a lot to see for him, have you?

1090
00:43:43.260 --> 00:43:47.760
No, a human audio, and so I stopped I stopped listening.

1091
00:43:47.820 --> 00:43:48.840
Really?

1092
00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:52.800
He was my favourite big finish audio doctor for a long time.

1093
00:43:52.860 --> 00:43:55.619
I think his voice is not good for audio.

1094
00:43:55.619 --> 00:43:59.519
And so I got to the end of the Charlie audios, if you know the

1095
00:43:59.519 --> 00:43:59.880
audios.

1096
00:43:59.880 --> 00:44:02.280
And then I just went, okay, I will now retire.

1097
00:44:02.340 --> 00:44:04.139
Wow, I kind of agree.

1098
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:08.820
I get the impression that he's got so little to work with and no

1099
00:44:08.820 --> 00:44:10.079
one knows how to rise him.

1100
00:44:10.139 --> 00:44:14.159
And the new the new adventures obviously only have one 8th doctor

1101
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:15.000
novel, don't they?

1102
00:44:15.059 --> 00:44:16.019
Like the very last...

1103
00:44:16.019 --> 00:44:17.159
Yeah, the dying dying dying days.

1104
00:44:17.219 --> 00:44:19.440
And then BBC...

1105
00:44:19.500 --> 00:44:21.480
I got no idea what to do.

1106
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:23.519
Like they don't know what to do with him.

1107
00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:28.139
I think that their idea is that he kind of flies by the seat of

1108
00:44:28.139 --> 00:44:32.159
the pants would be there's a reaction against Sylvester. and he's

1109
00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:33.480
cheerful or something.

1110
00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:36.420
There are some good BBC novels.

1111
00:44:36.539 --> 00:44:40.380
Lance Parkins ones, Lloyd Rose's books, I would highly recommend.

1112
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:40.619
Yeah.

1113
00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:43.920
There's one thing I would have liked to have seen 13 episodes with

1114
00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:44.460
him to see.

1115
00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:47.340
Like, because he's only got, like, how many minutes in this?

1116
00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:49.139
It's what 70 odd minutes?

1117
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:50.940
He's not in it very much either.

1118
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:54.000
And then you've got all this taken up with these guys who, I think

1119
00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:54.480
are great together.

1120
00:44:54.539 --> 00:44:56.760
Yeah, yeah, that would have been a spinoff.

1121
00:44:56.820 --> 00:44:58.559
I would have liked to have seen, yeah.

1122
00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:01.199
Paul given the chance to delve more into the character.

1123
00:45:01.260 --> 00:45:02.340
There's nice little moments in this.

1124
00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:06.780
But you've got a much clearer idea of the ninth doctor by the end

1125
00:45:06.780 --> 00:45:11.760
of Rose, which is, you know, half the length, a much, much better

1126
00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:12.719
idea of what he's like.

1127
00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:16.500
This stuff here in the Taras Tataras is so big, they'd have to be

1128
00:45:16.500 --> 00:45:19.260
doing bottle shows inside the TARDIS is part of the series

1129
00:45:19.260 --> 00:45:19.739
wouldn't they?

1130
00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:23.699
Well, here's I think standing set, just, yeah.

1131
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:28.619
So, um, Matthew Jacobs wrote in the Cloister Room as the place

1132
00:45:28.619 --> 00:45:30.179
where the eye of Harmony is, right?

1133
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:30.900
Great.

1134
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:33.599
Now, he didn't he didn't he didn't describe it.

1135
00:45:33.659 --> 00:45:38.940
He didn't describe it much because in a lot of American film

1136
00:45:38.940 --> 00:45:43.500
scripts apparently, you don't describe the set unless you have

1137
00:45:43.500 --> 00:45:43.739
to.

1138
00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:45.179
That's the job of the set designer.

1139
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:48.059
I think that's actually all going back to Terry Nation's big white

1140
00:45:48.059 --> 00:45:49.260
room.

1141
00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:52.619
But don't we have, don't we sort of have the eye of harmony-esque

1142
00:45:52.619 --> 00:45:54.539
thing in journey to the centre of the Tatars or something like

1143
00:45:54.539 --> 00:45:54.719
that?

1144
00:45:54.780 --> 00:45:56.400
Isn't there some energy source down the bottom?

1145
00:45:56.519 --> 00:45:57.239
I've forgotten.

1146
00:45:57.300 --> 00:45:59.039
I blanked that one out.

1147
00:45:59.099 --> 00:45:59.820
It was terrible.

1148
00:45:59.880 --> 00:46:00.780
But it's a not to this.

1149
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:01.980
They sort of link it to this.

1150
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:06.300
Matthew Jacobs did write this as it's a link to the Eye of Harmony

1151
00:46:06.300 --> 00:46:08.880
not the original and in script editing.

1152
00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:09.960
They just simplified it.

1153
00:46:10.019 --> 00:46:14.639
But the other thing was, he wrote it as the small kind of room we

1154
00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:18.119
see in Lagopolis because a cloister room is a small room.

1155
00:46:18.179 --> 00:46:21.360
Well, it's a room that has a colonnade around it.

1156
00:46:21.420 --> 00:46:21.780
Exactly.

1157
00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:24.179
Yeah, because the cloister's just your veranda, right?

1158
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:27.960
Yeah, and apparently, I don't know what his original scripted

1159
00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:31.739
ending was, but the new ending, but his original scripted ending

1160
00:46:31.739 --> 00:46:34.320
didn't involve the fight we get in the cloister room later.

1161
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:37.019
But I love a slap. didn't you want to see Teagan go full on

1162
00:46:37.019 --> 00:46:39.780
handbags with Tom in that one, I did.

1163
00:46:39.900 --> 00:46:40.860
But that's the thing.

1164
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:43.559
They called him and said, right, we need a fight, a big action

1165
00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:46.380
fight in the console in the cloister room at the end of the show.

1166
00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:49.920
And he said, but how do you have a big action fight in the

1167
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:53.099
cloister room, but close to room's tiny, and apparently Jeffrey

1168
00:46:53.099 --> 00:46:55.079
Sachs just said to him, it's not anymore.

1169
00:46:55.619 --> 00:46:59.400
Because they couldn't afford to fly the writer up to Vancouver.

1170
00:46:59.460 --> 00:47:00.480
Does this make any sense?

1171
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:05.760
Only if it is Janet Fielding inside that big stone bubble.

1172
00:47:05.820 --> 00:47:07.260
Thankfully, um...

1173
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:10.260
As you know, Jenna, was Paul's agent and advised him against doing

1174
00:47:10.260 --> 00:47:11.039
this wrong.

1175
00:47:11.099 --> 00:47:12.480
Exactly where I'm coming from.

1176
00:47:12.539 --> 00:47:13.199
Thank you, Todd.

1177
00:47:13.260 --> 00:47:14.460
Yeah, good honour.

1178
00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:19.380
Oh, a kiss, a kiss, fan voice, a...

1179
00:47:19.380 --> 00:47:21.420
After we've seen what's coming out of Bruce's mouth.

1180
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:23.519
And now she's ecstatic.

1181
00:47:23.579 --> 00:47:24.840
Obviously Brian didn't do it for her.

1182
00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:28.320
Brian was busy with Simon the whole time.

1183
00:47:28.380 --> 00:47:29.760
Hi guys.

1184
00:47:29.820 --> 00:47:35.280
Now, the thing is, I, okay, you know, as a 12-year-old boy, I had

1185
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:38.099
absolutely no problem with those 2 kisses, because the 1st one, the

1186
00:47:38.099 --> 00:47:39.840
1st one is he's overcome with emotion.

1187
00:47:39.900 --> 00:47:41.760
They were going to talk about the outfit.

1188
00:47:41.820 --> 00:47:43.079
Yeah, it's fabulous.

1189
00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:44.880
Are they going to do all the doctors in that thing?

1190
00:47:44.940 --> 00:47:45.599
Like all of them?

1191
00:47:45.659 --> 00:47:47.340
They were going to.

1192
00:47:47.340 --> 00:47:48.000
They were going to.

1193
00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:50.519
And they could they just couldn't make it work with archive

1194
00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:51.960
footage to get the 3D effects.

1195
00:47:52.019 --> 00:47:54.239
And that's why that's why they didn't do it.

1196
00:47:54.300 --> 00:47:56.460
But yeah, Silv's out 1st in this is so much better.

1197
00:47:56.519 --> 00:48:00.059
And when Silv agreed to come back, he said to Philip Siegel.

1198
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:03.420
Look, about the costume and Philip Siegel said, look, can we get

1199
00:48:03.420 --> 00:48:04.619
rid of the question mark, pull over?

1200
00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:05.159
I hate.

1201
00:48:05.219 --> 00:48:06.599
Okay, here it is.

1202
00:48:06.659 --> 00:48:07.260
Yeah.

1203
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:09.119
How does it, why, this doesn't, what?

1204
00:48:09.179 --> 00:48:09.900
Why, where, what?

1205
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:12.780
Okay, I have a reconning fan theory about this.

1206
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:15.000
Please do it now. doctor is half human.

1207
00:48:15.059 --> 00:48:19.619
The 8th doctor is half human because before he went in for the

1208
00:48:19.619 --> 00:48:22.320
operation, he was given a blood transfusion. right.

1209
00:48:22.380 --> 00:48:23.940
But that's exactly right.

1210
00:48:23.940 --> 00:48:28.380
There's a reference to it in the series finale for series one

1211
00:48:28.380 --> 00:48:32.820
where someone accuses the Daleks of being half human and they

1212
00:48:32.820 --> 00:48:37.559
reply that is blasphemy and that's a reference to fan reaction to

1213
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:38.460
this revelation.

1214
00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:42.719
But, but, but Russell also covered that when he said when Chris

1215
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:45.059
Eccleston said, I can turn into, you know, there was that line

1216
00:48:45.059 --> 00:48:46.199
that I can become anything.

1217
00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:49.980
I might have 2 eds or no ed or another species.

1218
00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:55.619
But the meta crisis at the end of series 4 says that there's never

1219
00:48:55.619 --> 00:48:59.159
been a half human, the human time Lord hybrid and that makes no

1220
00:48:59.159 --> 00:48:59.460
sense.

1221
00:49:00.300 --> 00:49:02.340
Just have another go.

1222
00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:03.480
The German military.

1223
00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:04.320
What was Todd going to say?

1224
00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:05.280
No, no, no.

1225
00:49:05.340 --> 00:49:07.500
We just had a whole lot of info dump in this scene.

1226
00:49:08.099 --> 00:49:10.619
Nonfancy be going, what the hell is this?

1227
00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:13.559
Yeah, I mean, he's finally exterminated by the Daleks. casual if

1228
00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:13.920
you're right.

1229
00:49:13.980 --> 00:49:14.940
I just keep going back.

1230
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:17.340
This kind of works for the UK because it's a continuation.

1231
00:49:17.460 --> 00:49:20.880
Yeah, I don't think it does after sort of 7 years.

1232
00:49:20.940 --> 00:49:23.280
You know, like, I don't see why that works in the UK.

1233
00:49:23.340 --> 00:49:24.659
It looks pretty.

1234
00:49:25.139 --> 00:49:27.780
Well, there's enough fans to know that it knows.

1235
00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:31.500
The thing is, though, 1993, we had dimensions in time, which, even

1236
00:49:31.500 --> 00:49:34.500
though it was only 15 minutes, was very heavily publicised, also

1237
00:49:34.500 --> 00:49:39.000
1992 to 1994, Alan Yentob pushed and pushed and pushed and got

1238
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:41.519
reruns happening on the ACC 2.

1239
00:49:41.639 --> 00:49:46.139
You've got to remember that's now 1987 because of Brendan's...

1240
00:49:46.139 --> 00:49:47.280
My unit dating period.

1241
00:49:47.460 --> 00:49:47.880
Right.

1242
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:51.900
Because of Su Tech leaving the back door open and all everything

1243
00:49:51.900 --> 00:49:52.920
rushing back.

1244
00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:53.699
A bit of laughter.

1245
00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:55.920
There was horrible interlacing in that shot of grace running

1246
00:49:55.920 --> 00:49:56.280
inside.

1247
00:49:56.400 --> 00:49:57.179
I don't know how that happened.

1248
00:49:58.380 --> 00:49:59.760
Sorry.

1249
00:49:59.880 --> 00:50:01.139
Clock.

1250
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:04.380
It's getting my shit now.

1251
00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:07.019
Nothing left, listeners, nothing left.

1252
00:50:07.500 --> 00:50:10.920
Stick we've seen before, big, big trouble, little China.

1253
00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:13.079
Terminator.

1254
00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:15.059
Lordy, here we go.

1255
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:19.079
Oh, but as you've always said, Richard, Doctor Who is at its best

1256
00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:20.039
when it's doing other things.

1257
00:50:20.940 --> 00:50:25.019
Also, yes, but it still needs to have a heart of knowing word and

1258
00:50:25.019 --> 00:50:25.980
who it is itself.

1259
00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:27.000
This isn't Doctor Who.

1260
00:50:27.059 --> 00:50:29.940
This is just a lot of other things with the X-Files, and I would

1261
00:50:29.940 --> 00:50:35.219
also say Scarecrow, Mrs. King. rather than the Avengers, which was

1262
00:50:35.219 --> 00:50:35.760
a big show.

1263
00:50:35.820 --> 00:50:39.059
But it's also borrowing just as the Avengers did, borrowing from

1264
00:50:39.059 --> 00:50:41.400
Nick and Nora Charles and the Thin Man series.

1265
00:50:41.460 --> 00:50:43.980
It's just a lovely the pairing thing, but there's nothing really

1266
00:50:43.980 --> 00:50:46.860
in this that tells me it's Doctor Who other than slapping me in

1267
00:50:46.860 --> 00:50:48.179
the face with a wet-eyed fish.

1268
00:50:48.300 --> 00:50:49.019
Yeah, yeah.

1269
00:50:49.619 --> 00:50:52.980
Why did not Gallifrey, Time Lords, 13 live sort of stuff?

1270
00:50:53.099 --> 00:50:54.059
Why midnight?

1271
00:50:54.119 --> 00:50:54.960
Yeah, midnight.

1272
00:50:55.019 --> 00:50:57.179
Yeah, because it gets saucy then.

1273
00:50:57.239 --> 00:50:58.679
Well, dramatic plot purposes.

1274
00:50:58.739 --> 00:51:02.039
Not many people know that midnight happens at the same time all

1275
00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:03.059
around the world.

1276
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:07.019
Hang on, when did Greenwich mean move to San Francisco?

1277
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:08.099
Slash ramp.

1278
00:51:08.159 --> 00:51:08.460
Yeah.

1279
00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:10.619
We loved that at the time, didn't we?

1280
00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:13.019
What about other people are experiencing?

1281
00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:18.840
This, for me, this is the moment when I was a 12 years old, where

1282
00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:22.739
I just went, yep, here's the doctor now. this line coming up that

1283
00:51:22.739 --> 00:51:26.159
he just delivers it with such utter sincerity.

1284
00:51:26.219 --> 00:51:30.599
Brendan does grace his eyebrow beautifully too. still do that.

1285
00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:37.860
Doctor, I love you, and we only have 3 hours left to save the

1286
00:51:37.860 --> 00:51:38.159
earth.

1287
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:44.639
I think that it's a nod to the time scanner in image of the fender

1288
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:49.139
which will destroy the planet in exactly 100 hours after they

1289
00:51:49.139 --> 00:51:50.039
start operating.

1290
00:51:50.219 --> 00:51:50.940
Lip.

1291
00:51:50.940 --> 00:51:52.739
Lip.

1292
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:53.400
Oh wait, no.

1293
00:51:53.460 --> 00:51:55.079
That's what I weigh.

1294
00:51:55.559 --> 00:51:57.659
Again, is very small.

1295
00:51:57.719 --> 00:51:59.280
It's got...

1296
00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:00.480
That was the other thing I was going to say.

1297
00:52:00.539 --> 00:52:03.300
Have you noticed how much time they're spending trying to shoot

1298
00:52:03.300 --> 00:52:04.619
him to make him look taller?

1299
00:52:04.860 --> 00:52:06.659
In every shot.

1300
00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:09.119
He's the same height as silve, if not a little shorter.

1301
00:52:09.179 --> 00:52:13.679
He, I believe he is 3 foot two. 5 foot eight.

1302
00:52:13.739 --> 00:52:14.820
No, he's not.

1303
00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:15.059
No.

1304
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:15.420
No?

1305
00:52:15.420 --> 00:52:18.719
Like, here's a nod to Russell does as well.

1306
00:52:18.780 --> 00:52:21.119
Like, you know, he has the American news readers, you know?

1307
00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:22.019
Trinity Wells.

1308
00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:22.980
Yeah, love her.

1309
00:52:23.579 --> 00:52:27.719
See, you know, in when we get Doctor Who coming back for the new

1310
00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:32.579
series, in the UK, they use real British newsreaders.

1311
00:52:32.579 --> 00:52:37.679
They look too similar in the face.

1312
00:52:37.739 --> 00:52:40.679
Oh my God, their brother and sister.

1313
00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:43.500
No, well, Star Wars again.

1314
00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:45.659
But...

1315
00:52:45.659 --> 00:52:46.739
Here's Reba McIntyre.

1316
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:52.500
Because America has so many local and regionalised TV networks

1317
00:52:52.500 --> 00:52:54.599
you'd never know if they were real news readers.

1318
00:52:54.659 --> 00:52:55.019
There it is.

1319
00:52:55.019 --> 00:52:57.599
Oh, hang on.

1320
00:52:57.659 --> 00:52:58.199
I was right.

1321
00:52:58.260 --> 00:53:00.000
It is meantime in San Francisco.

1322
00:53:00.059 --> 00:53:03.000
No, they're switching meantime to San Francisco tonight.

1323
00:53:03.059 --> 00:53:05.400
Because it's the America.

1324
00:53:06.300 --> 00:53:11.159
Most accurate atomic clock, atomic clock, atomic clock in the

1325
00:53:11.159 --> 00:53:11.340
world.

1326
00:53:11.579 --> 00:53:15.480
And so the doctor has to steal it to make the TARDIS work.

1327
00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:19.139
Wasn't it working before?

1328
00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:22.260
Well, remember there was the critical timing malfunction because

1329
00:53:22.260 --> 00:53:23.039
Bruce...

1330
00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:26.579
Splooshed all over the console.

1331
00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:27.239
Yeah, fair enough.

1332
00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:32.579
I guess that's why the doctor hasn't had a teenage male

1333
00:53:32.579 --> 00:53:34.019
companion.

1334
00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:36.780
He's suitably mincy, isn't he?

1335
00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:37.619
Our master.

1336
00:53:37.739 --> 00:53:38.400
Oh my god.

1337
00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:38.940
Our Bruce.

1338
00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:43.019
There's a hell of a lot of pork mince in his performance.

1339
00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:48.239
He kind of nails it without having really seen the... without

1340
00:53:48.239 --> 00:53:50.760
having seen the show before, but I mean, the mask is such a thin

1341
00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:51.000
character.

1342
00:53:51.539 --> 00:53:53.340
Yeah, well, yeah.

1343
00:53:53.340 --> 00:53:56.880
Yeah, in the in the electronic crest kit interviews for this, Eric

1344
00:53:56.880 --> 00:54:00.420
Roberts says, I don't know much about the character, but...

1345
00:54:00.420 --> 00:54:02.039
I know a lot about Tilly Biogenesis.

1346
00:54:02.099 --> 00:54:05.820
But he said, you know, he's the archetypal villain.

1347
00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:06.599
He's the bad guy.

1348
00:54:06.659 --> 00:54:07.980
He's the guy in the black hat.

1349
00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:10.079
So you've just got to play it totally evil.

1350
00:54:10.139 --> 00:54:11.639
And keep it.

1351
00:54:11.699 --> 00:54:13.500
Yeah, keep it thin and keep it light.

1352
00:54:13.559 --> 00:54:17.699
And there's a line coming up here that he suggested, which showed

1353
00:54:17.699 --> 00:54:20.219
that, you know, that he was taking the script seriously.

1354
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:23.039
His response here tells you.

1355
00:54:23.099 --> 00:54:26.460
That was Eric Roberts and his rationale was, this is a British

1356
00:54:26.460 --> 00:54:27.119
character.

1357
00:54:27.179 --> 00:54:31.139
He would correct an American's grammar, even though I'm American.

1358
00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:35.039
He's also ended 3 sentences with a preposition before that

1359
00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:35.579
moment.

1360
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:36.539
Nothing wrongly counting.

1361
00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:38.460
Chicken's chicken.

1362
00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:39.000
Hang on.

1363
00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:40.079
The chickens?

1364
00:54:40.139 --> 00:54:42.780
It was a chicken truck that overtook Jagarov.

1365
00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:45.780
I'm having to eat the chicken. having a Gary Gillett moment now.

1366
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:47.219
Oh my god.

1367
00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:48.960
Oh, that's just not good.

1368
00:54:49.019 --> 00:54:51.059
Well we know the answer for that question.

1369
00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:55.079
What is it?

1370
00:54:55.139 --> 00:54:58.019
Alien blood from, well, aliens.

1371
00:54:58.079 --> 00:54:59.639
Blood is a word.

1372
00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:01.380
Oh, I've always wondered.

1373
00:55:01.380 --> 00:55:02.099
I can't be injured.

1374
00:55:02.159 --> 00:55:04.199
I've always wondered what that line was.

1375
00:55:04.260 --> 00:55:06.480
I thought he said I was just beginning to like it.

1376
00:55:06.539 --> 00:55:08.340
Get it off me, get it off me.

1377
00:55:09.239 --> 00:55:14.280
Ah, so what he's saying is because his body's deteriorating, he

1378
00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:15.420
has to recover quickly.

1379
00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:18.780
That makes sense by eating paper towels, it seems.

1380
00:55:18.840 --> 00:55:19.800
Wow.

1381
00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:22.559
And this seems...

1382
00:55:22.619 --> 00:55:24.239
There's a moment that's about to come up here.

1383
00:55:24.300 --> 00:55:26.820
Well, I actually think Paul McGinn becomes the doctor and I...

1384
00:55:26.820 --> 00:55:28.440
Yeah, I have... though.

1385
00:55:28.500 --> 00:55:31.199
No, I like what he threatens to shoot himself in the hair.

1386
00:55:31.260 --> 00:55:34.139
He's just trying to think, oh, please, no, come on.

1387
00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:36.840
I know we're in America, but it doesn't have to all be gum.

1388
00:55:36.960 --> 00:55:40.199
No, but for an American audience, they would expect the hero to

1389
00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:42.059
take the take the gun and turn it on the cops.

1390
00:55:42.119 --> 00:55:43.559
So it tells the American audience.

1391
00:55:43.619 --> 00:55:44.940
No, this is a different kind of hero.

1392
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:47.039
But I agree with you, Todd.

1393
00:55:47.099 --> 00:55:50.039
I think it's a very doctor-ish moment and especially also coming

1394
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:54.000
up right now where Grace is arguing with him. excuse me.

1395
00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:54.719
This is a lovely one.

1396
00:55:54.840 --> 00:55:59.460
Importantly, while the gun is producing any of the cop now, which

1397
00:55:59.460 --> 00:56:00.000
I don't like.

1398
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:01.260
His finger is off the trigger.

1399
00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:04.139
It's hard to see, but yeah..

1400
00:56:04.199 --> 00:56:06.239
I was just unexpected that he would pull it on himself.

1401
00:56:06.300 --> 00:56:08.699
Like, and I just thought there's a very doctorary thing to do and

1402
00:56:08.699 --> 00:56:11.099
have this argument with the companion and I felt it was a bit

1403
00:56:11.099 --> 00:56:11.940
doctor-ish.

1404
00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:12.360
Yeah.

1405
00:56:12.420 --> 00:56:15.539
And there's a cut moment coming up right here where after she

1406
00:56:15.539 --> 00:56:19.440
shoots it and says, give him the keys, the cop starts arguing

1407
00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:22.079
again, and the whole crowd goes, give him the keys.

1408
00:56:23.820 --> 00:56:26.219
Oh, yeah, it doesn't work.

1409
00:56:26.280 --> 00:56:29.880
It's totally stupid, but it's very Doctor Who, but it's totally

1410
00:56:29.880 --> 00:56:30.239
stupid.

1411
00:56:30.300 --> 00:56:31.260
Chickens.

1412
00:56:31.320 --> 00:56:31.679
Yep.

1413
00:56:31.739 --> 00:56:33.059
Delicious chickens.

1414
00:56:33.179 --> 00:56:37.380
There is a line they thankfully cut out here where Changli goes up

1415
00:56:37.380 --> 00:56:38.820
on the sidewalk.

1416
00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:40.139
I can say that because it's American.

1417
00:56:40.199 --> 00:56:42.840
He says, don't mess with an Asian driver.

1418
00:56:42.900 --> 00:56:44.460
Oh, please.

1419
00:56:44.460 --> 00:56:46.739
And I don't I don't even think that made it to the set.

1420
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:47.699
Good.

1421
00:56:47.699 --> 00:56:47.940
Yeah.

1422
00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:51.780
And now we have the obligatory chase.

1423
00:56:51.840 --> 00:56:55.079
And look, I mean, Doctor Who has had car chases before.

1424
00:56:55.139 --> 00:56:58.800
They've obviously not been as good as this. just a budget leap

1425
00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:00.000
from the wheelchair, isn't it?

1426
00:57:00.059 --> 00:57:01.079
Yeah, exactly.

1427
00:57:01.860 --> 00:57:04.320
And the trike and the Ogrons.

1428
00:57:04.380 --> 00:57:05.760
Run a private road now.

1429
00:57:05.820 --> 00:57:07.139
Is that how they do it?

1430
00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:08.280
No, I don't well, I don't know.

1431
00:57:08.340 --> 00:57:09.539
Because there's no one else here.

1432
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:13.679
I believe it is a closed loop that was built in Vancouver to use

1433
00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:14.699
for TV shows.

1434
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:17.880
I think I say breathe in when things like that happen.

1435
00:57:17.940 --> 00:57:21.900
I think that's another one of the, you know, lines from Doctor Who

1436
00:57:21.900 --> 00:57:23.820
that...

1437
00:57:23.880 --> 00:57:26.280
Yeah, yeah.

1438
00:57:26.340 --> 00:57:26.880
Probably.

1439
00:57:28.139 --> 00:57:29.820
Oh, dear.

1440
00:57:29.820 --> 00:57:33.239
It does look better than Doctor Who's.

1441
00:57:33.300 --> 00:57:33.900
It's gorgeous.

1442
00:57:33.960 --> 00:57:34.920
It's just not Doctor Who.

1443
00:57:34.980 --> 00:57:35.280
No.

1444
00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:37.320
It's sweet.

1445
00:57:37.380 --> 00:57:42.059
I'm having a lot of nostalgia for my slim what was then remainder

1446
00:57:42.059 --> 00:57:44.820
of my youth in the 90s because everything in the 90s looked like

1447
00:57:44.820 --> 00:57:45.000
this.

1448
00:57:45.059 --> 00:57:46.619
Every American show.

1449
00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:49.320
That's that's Frasier and Niles.

1450
00:57:49.500 --> 00:57:52.800
I always call it like Dr. Queen Medicine Woman.

1451
00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:55.980
So I go with Doctor Who Magic Man or whatever it happens to be.

1452
00:57:56.039 --> 00:57:57.900
They're the credits that I want for this.

1453
00:57:57.960 --> 00:57:58.619
I don't know.

1454
00:57:58.679 --> 00:58:00.599
Of course, Philip...

1455
00:58:00.599 --> 00:58:01.260
That's so grainy.

1456
00:58:01.320 --> 00:58:02.159
Is that because of the...

1457
00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:03.960
It is shot or shot on film.

1458
00:58:04.019 --> 00:58:07.920
It is all shot on film, but mastered and edited on Digibita, which

1459
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:12.179
is why the Blu-ray of this is not a true film conversion.

1460
00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:13.920
It's an upscale.

1461
00:58:13.980 --> 00:58:16.440
And there has been a campaign for years to go back to the original

1462
00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:20.880
film negatives which do exist, but much like DS9 and Voyager, Blue

1463
00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:21.119
Room.

1464
00:58:21.780 --> 00:58:24.239
Well, it would just be too expensive to do the digital effects.

1465
00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:27.840
Yeah, not that many people like this.

1466
00:58:27.900 --> 00:58:31.079
Yeah, it's it's and you know, is that dim?

1467
00:58:31.139 --> 00:58:31.559
No.

1468
00:58:32.099 --> 00:58:34.199
It's Terry Walsh.

1469
00:58:34.260 --> 00:58:35.699
I wish.

1470
00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:40.019
And apparently, Grace saying not again was designed as a tribute

1471
00:58:40.019 --> 00:58:40.980
to Douglas Adams.

1472
00:58:40.980 --> 00:58:45.719
As is the later line from the master, life is wasted on the

1473
00:58:45.719 --> 00:58:45.960
living.

1474
00:58:46.019 --> 00:58:48.179
I need the right guy and he's from another planet.

1475
00:58:48.300 --> 00:58:51.780
But still, you'll make the choice not to go with him, you silly

1476
00:58:51.780 --> 00:58:52.260
one.

1477
00:58:52.320 --> 00:58:53.639
He's not the right guy.

1478
00:58:53.699 --> 00:58:55.559
Oh, that is really grainy, isn't it?

1479
00:58:55.619 --> 00:58:56.579
Terrible.

1480
00:58:56.639 --> 00:58:57.900
Yeah, it's not really, yeah.

1481
00:58:57.900 --> 00:59:00.239
And that's cribbed from a Sarah Jane line.

1482
00:59:00.300 --> 00:59:00.659
I sure.

1483
00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:03.239
Sarah at one point says, well, I don't, yeah, I've only got one

1484
00:59:03.239 --> 00:59:03.480
life.

1485
00:59:03.539 --> 00:59:04.559
So you try and remember that.

1486
00:59:05.460 --> 00:59:07.500
No, that was it.

1487
00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:09.179
I've only got one life and I've had enough already.

1488
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:11.039
Is it Victor?

1489
00:59:11.039 --> 00:59:13.139
Sorry, Victor.

1490
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:17.280
Excellent work, Grace.

1491
00:59:18.059 --> 00:59:20.219
Where are the chocolate fame?

1492
00:59:20.280 --> 00:59:21.239
No, only in the 1st minute.

1493
00:59:21.300 --> 00:59:21.900
I want them.

1494
00:59:21.960 --> 00:59:24.239
Only they are again as hats.

1495
00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:27.119
But like there's no monsters.

1496
00:59:27.179 --> 00:59:29.760
You relaunch the series and you decide we're not going to do

1497
00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:30.239
monsters.

1498
00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:33.000
Grace's jawlines shot at a certain angle.

1499
00:59:33.059 --> 00:59:34.380
It's terrifying, me.

1500
00:59:34.679 --> 00:59:36.420
Oh, the Gareth joke.

1501
00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:39.239
We need to cover over the character of Gareth and why the Gareth

1502
00:59:39.239 --> 00:59:40.139
joke is so hilarious.

1503
00:59:40.199 --> 00:59:43.260
We're just about to meet Gareth, that ain't Gareth right there.

1504
00:59:43.320 --> 00:59:45.960
Do we all remember in a fix with Santarans?

1505
00:59:46.019 --> 00:59:46.980
Oh, yes, of course.

1506
00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:47.699
Yes.

1507
00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:50.460
Oh, that little Doctor Who skit.

1508
00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:52.619
Yeah, that's Gareth Jenkins, the child.

1509
00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:54.900
This is meant to be Gareth Jenkins coming up right now.

1510
00:59:54.960 --> 00:59:55.500
Really?

1511
00:59:56.039 --> 00:59:57.659
Yep, that's why he's called Gareth.

1512
00:59:57.719 --> 01:00:00.179
And harsh but fair.

1513
01:00:00.300 --> 01:00:04.800
Yeah, on, if, if you haven't already bought the 2 doctors on DVD

1514
01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:09.300
you will not find interfix with Santaris on any future editions of

1515
01:00:09.300 --> 01:00:09.719
it.

1516
01:00:09.780 --> 01:00:12.239
It has been reissued because of Jimmy Savile, yeah.

1517
01:00:12.300 --> 01:00:15.539
Because of John Fielding, she's been completely excised from

1518
01:00:15.539 --> 01:00:16.019
humanity.

1519
01:00:16.079 --> 01:00:17.699
Yeah, I know her hair.

1520
01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:18.960
I believe that one.

1521
01:00:19.019 --> 01:00:20.280
I believe that...

1522
01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:23.880
Oh, it's very dynasty on a...

1523
01:00:23.940 --> 01:00:25.920
Colby's is very cold.

1524
01:00:25.980 --> 01:00:29.340
Is it worth pointing out that the year 2000 on the thing looks

1525
01:00:29.340 --> 01:00:30.300
like a coiled snake?

1526
01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:32.880
Oh, the nicely mean there.

1527
01:00:32.940 --> 01:00:34.260
There's the monster.

1528
01:00:35.460 --> 01:00:38.400
Philip Segal famously said at conventions.

1529
01:00:38.460 --> 01:00:41.639
The reason we're not doing monsters is because we would only have

1530
01:00:41.639 --> 01:00:44.280
the budget to do 2 monster suits and I don't think that's

1531
01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:44.579
effective.

1532
01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:47.579
Well, that never worked in Doctor Who before, did it?

1533
01:00:47.639 --> 01:00:52.019
That's why in the dying days, which is the only Virgin New

1534
01:00:52.019 --> 01:00:56.519
Adventures, 8th doctor novel, Lance Parkin, wrote it that only 2

1535
01:00:56.519 --> 01:01:00.179
Itharias ever appear in any scene any time.

1536
01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:01.739
Just to prove that it could have worked.

1537
01:01:01.860 --> 01:01:03.239
Is this guy in the opening credits?

1538
01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:06.360
I don't believe so.

1539
01:01:06.420 --> 01:01:09.000
Then who are those last 2 names in the opening credits?

1540
01:01:09.059 --> 01:01:13.800
They were the cardiologists who assist Grace and the head of the

1541
01:01:13.800 --> 01:01:14.579
hospital, I believe.

1542
01:01:14.699 --> 01:01:15.539
Oh, okay.

1543
01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:17.519
I always thought he got a credit and I thought, why?

1544
01:01:17.579 --> 01:01:18.000
But anyway.

1545
01:01:18.599 --> 01:01:20.460
So...

1546
01:01:20.460 --> 01:01:23.219
Oh, Lord.

1547
01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:25.679
Yeah, Professor Wag, just then, was.

1548
01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:28.559
Dave, um, Hertebees.

1549
01:01:29.699 --> 01:01:34.739
So, yeah, John Novak was Salinger, who was the assistant

1550
01:01:34.739 --> 01:01:38.039
cardiologist and Michael David Sims was Dr. Swift.

1551
01:01:38.099 --> 01:01:40.199
Was that the head of the hospital?

1552
01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:40.860
The head of the hospital.

1553
01:01:40.980 --> 01:01:43.500
Yeah, nice to see me. seen him do other things before in his TV

1554
01:01:43.500 --> 01:01:43.860
shows.

1555
01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:47.039
I mean, I can't tell you how incredible this seemed at the time

1556
01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:53.400
where we're on in an actual building, like, you know, which we did

1557
01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:56.940
you know, maybe twice in the classic series, you know, you know

1558
01:01:56.940 --> 01:02:01.199
inside the house in Silver Nemesis or inside the church, in Curse

1559
01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:04.260
of Fenrich, but basically, if we were in a building, we used to be

1560
01:02:04.260 --> 01:02:05.519
in a BBC studio.

1561
01:02:05.579 --> 01:02:09.659
And here it's a huge massive building that they've spent stacks of

1562
01:02:09.659 --> 01:02:13.619
money redressing and it looks great and it looks fabulously

1563
01:02:13.619 --> 01:02:14.280
futury.

1564
01:02:14.340 --> 01:02:16.500
So here's Gareth Jenkins.

1565
01:02:16.619 --> 01:02:18.659
I do think it looks gorgeous.

1566
01:02:18.780 --> 01:02:22.139
Because, of course, in in a Fix with Son Torrance, we're told that

1567
01:02:22.139 --> 01:02:26.760
in about 15 years from when this film is set, the Gareth Jenkins

1568
01:02:26.760 --> 01:02:28.619
will repel us on Tara an invasion.

1569
01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:31.380
I never realised he was meant to be Gareth Jenkins.

1570
01:02:31.440 --> 01:02:34.739
But yeah, the idea is he meets the doctor and goes on to predict

1571
01:02:34.739 --> 01:02:35.219
earthquake.

1572
01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:38.940
I like his, like, answer the 2nd question, not the 3rd thing.

1573
01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:40.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1574
01:02:40.380 --> 01:02:41.760
That is cute.

1575
01:02:41.880 --> 01:02:42.360
Yeah.

1576
01:02:42.420 --> 01:02:44.760
Jelly babies, do we really have to keep bringing them up?

1577
01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:47.639
But gobstoppers.

1578
01:02:47.699 --> 01:02:49.260
Plus, Patrick Trout in love.

1579
01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:51.300
In America, they don't have jelly babies.

1580
01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:53.820
He likes other men's wives.

1581
01:02:54.239 --> 01:02:56.940
They do now, of course, but yeah.

1582
01:02:57.000 --> 01:03:01.500
But, you know, they've mentioned jelly babies a few times in the

1583
01:03:01.500 --> 01:03:04.139
new series, but it's not really been the thing it is here.

1584
01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:13.380
Now, earlier on, I mentioned an involvement from Leonard Nemoy.

1585
01:03:13.860 --> 01:03:16.440
Now, when...

1586
01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:19.800
How much goo?

1587
01:03:19.860 --> 01:03:21.000
That's I know.

1588
01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:23.159
He must have been saving up for weeks.

1589
01:03:23.219 --> 01:03:24.780
That's a lot of life.

1590
01:03:24.840 --> 01:03:27.059
A lot of love in one moment, isn't it?

1591
01:03:28.260 --> 01:03:31.500
Pretty much, don't touch it, Grace.

1592
01:03:31.559 --> 01:03:32.760
Stop it, Grace.

1593
01:03:33.360 --> 01:03:38.760
One of the things that held up getting this film, getting a new TV

1594
01:03:38.760 --> 01:03:42.480
series made was a company called Coast Coast, otherwise known as

1595
01:03:42.480 --> 01:03:46.679
Dawn Trees and Greenlight, had the rights to the film from the

1596
01:03:46.679 --> 01:03:47.159
BBC.

1597
01:03:47.219 --> 01:03:52.019
They'd paid £750,000 for the rides, but had lots of trouble

1598
01:03:52.019 --> 01:03:52.980
getting...

1599
01:03:52.980 --> 01:03:56.460
With a crap script about the doctor being the last time lord and

1600
01:03:56.460 --> 01:03:58.619
there having been a time, well, who'd ever run with that?

1601
01:03:58.679 --> 01:04:01.320
Three scripts written by Johnny Byrne.

1602
01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:03.900
Yeah, TV's Johnny Burns.

1603
01:04:03.960 --> 01:04:06.420
TV Johnny Byrne of the Keeper of Trunk and an Arc of Infinity and

1604
01:04:06.420 --> 01:04:07.500
Warriors of the Deep.

1605
01:04:09.000 --> 01:04:12.179
Although, the, the, the, the, the, already said, actually as a

1606
01:04:12.179 --> 01:04:13.500
script idea, really quite clever.

1607
01:04:13.559 --> 01:04:14.219
Yeah, yeah.

1608
01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:18.599
But what happened was, pretty much, Cigar was negotiating for the

1609
01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:23.760
TV rights, and the BBC's concern was we can't have a separate film

1610
01:04:23.760 --> 01:04:26.219
and TV series happening at one time.

1611
01:04:26.219 --> 01:04:27.539
Star Trek.

1612
01:04:28.079 --> 01:04:29.880
Who could imagine that?

1613
01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:30.480
Yeah.

1614
01:04:30.539 --> 01:04:33.659
So they had 40 days to go on their contract.

1615
01:04:33.659 --> 01:04:36.480
And their contract merely stated that by the end of that 40 days

1616
01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:38.039
they had to have started filming.

1617
01:04:38.099 --> 01:04:43.619
So they engaged Leonard Nemoy to start filming 2nd unit.

1618
01:04:43.679 --> 01:04:46.320
Basically, he was going to come up to wherever they were shooting

1619
01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:49.739
and just shoot location shots and that would count as having

1620
01:04:49.739 --> 01:04:50.519
started production.

1621
01:04:50.579 --> 01:04:54.659
Philip Segal got wind of this and called Leonard and said, look

1622
01:04:54.659 --> 01:04:55.500
this is what they're doing.

1623
01:04:55.559 --> 01:04:57.179
It's purely to keep the contract.

1624
01:04:57.239 --> 01:04:58.619
It's not actually anything creative.

1625
01:04:58.679 --> 01:04:59.579
They don't even have a script.

1626
01:04:59.639 --> 01:05:02.579
And Leonard said, okay, well, I won't do it then because I

1627
01:05:02.579 --> 01:05:05.400
actually care about, you know, this is a respected property.

1628
01:05:05.460 --> 01:05:06.960
He knew about it.

1629
01:05:07.380 --> 01:05:07.739
Yeah, yeah.

1630
01:05:07.860 --> 01:05:10.860
I don't think he, like, watched loads of it, but he's like, okay

1631
01:05:10.860 --> 01:05:12.420
no, I don't want to treat it like that.

1632
01:05:12.420 --> 01:05:13.920
If I'm making a movie, I make a movie.

1633
01:05:13.980 --> 01:05:17.219
And that's how, um, Segal managed to get the rights.

1634
01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:18.360
Cloaking device.

1635
01:05:18.420 --> 01:05:18.900
Yeah.

1636
01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:22.260
Yeah, that no, I lost a layer of enamel to that line.

1637
01:05:22.320 --> 01:05:24.659
No, but I mean, it's reconed in Boomtown.

1638
01:05:24.719 --> 01:05:25.619
Russell addresses it.

1639
01:05:25.679 --> 01:05:27.360
He would, wouldn't he?

1640
01:05:27.420 --> 01:05:29.340
Any effect, Boomtown has a lot in common.

1641
01:05:29.400 --> 01:05:32.400
Like the big climax of Boomtown has a lot in common with the big

1642
01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:33.239
climax of this.

1643
01:05:33.300 --> 01:05:34.800
I mean, as funny as that can be.

1644
01:05:34.860 --> 01:05:36.179
And it was once.

1645
01:05:36.239 --> 01:05:42.000
Like, you know, there is, there is like all the stuff that we've

1646
01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:42.659
seen in the title.

1647
01:05:42.719 --> 01:05:45.420
Surely he just goes careering into one of the objects, expect on

1648
01:05:45.420 --> 01:05:46.260
the steps.

1649
01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:49.139
Actually, the Tartars turned it into a ramp while he was in

1650
01:05:49.139 --> 01:05:49.320
there.

1651
01:05:49.559 --> 01:05:51.480
This is amazing.

1652
01:05:51.539 --> 01:05:54.960
I don't want to love the set, but I really do.

1653
01:05:55.019 --> 01:05:55.800
I believe too.

1654
01:05:55.800 --> 01:05:57.300
It's fabulous.

1655
01:05:57.360 --> 01:05:58.739
It just needs a hooka.

1656
01:05:58.800 --> 01:06:01.199
Is that related to Beryl Reed?

1657
01:06:01.320 --> 01:06:03.119
It's named after Beryl.

1658
01:06:03.179 --> 01:06:06.239
But the problem is because of all the humidity changes.

1659
01:06:06.300 --> 01:06:10.619
Her hair, his wig just go from go completely different volumes and

1660
01:06:10.619 --> 01:06:11.099
friziness.

1661
01:06:11.159 --> 01:06:12.960
Do you know that they...

1662
01:06:13.019 --> 01:06:14.219
They may have decay all over again.

1663
01:06:14.280 --> 01:06:15.539
Not on it after Silla Black.

1664
01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:16.139
Did you know that?

1665
01:06:17.159 --> 01:06:19.559
Ixnay on the illusate.

1666
01:06:19.619 --> 01:06:23.159
I love how she's just completely unfa- Like once she has the

1667
01:06:23.159 --> 01:06:24.719
explanation of how it's bigger inside than out.

1668
01:06:24.780 --> 01:06:25.559
She's like, oh, okay.

1669
01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:28.559
Which is really what you would do.

1670
01:06:28.619 --> 01:06:31.199
Yeah, just batanas need a beroleum clock anyway.

1671
01:06:31.260 --> 01:06:33.360
No, because he'd have a critical timing malfunction.

1672
01:06:33.420 --> 01:06:35.159
Oh, thank you for explaining that.

1673
01:06:35.219 --> 01:06:38.219
Well, it was just explained to me by Brendan a little bit

1674
01:06:38.219 --> 01:06:40.139
earlier.

1675
01:06:40.199 --> 01:06:42.539
Yeah, it's it's the it's the bit of the film that I was really

1676
01:06:42.539 --> 01:06:43.739
disappointed with.

1677
01:06:43.800 --> 01:06:48.179
It's repaired the Tartars with a microcassette. 11 minutes. stole

1678
01:06:48.179 --> 01:06:49.139
it. was so mean.

1679
01:06:49.199 --> 01:06:50.159
I didn't mind that.

1680
01:06:50.219 --> 01:06:51.000
I did like that.

1681
01:06:51.059 --> 01:06:51.780
Yeah, yeah.

1682
01:06:51.840 --> 01:06:55.980
And this is, and it's quite similar to the shot we get in, um

1683
01:06:55.980 --> 01:07:00.659
remembrance of the Daleks, except, you know, except 1996.

1684
01:07:00.780 --> 01:07:03.360
It's cheap, isn't it, to have the scanner on the ceiling because

1685
01:07:03.360 --> 01:07:06.300
then you don't have to, like, compose it around the actors.

1686
01:07:07.019 --> 01:07:09.480
It is rather fabulous, though.

1687
01:07:09.539 --> 01:07:11.579
He's never opened the eye before.

1688
01:07:11.940 --> 01:07:13.800
That's so boring.

1689
01:07:13.860 --> 01:07:16.199
I mean, all of this stuff about the TARDIS as well.

1690
01:07:16.260 --> 01:07:20.579
I mean, Big Finish had to wreck on this, a few years later, in the

1691
01:07:20.579 --> 01:07:23.880
apocalypse element, where they explained, the eye being opened by

1692
01:07:23.880 --> 01:07:25.440
a human is a security measure.

1693
01:07:25.500 --> 01:07:27.239
So a timelord can't open it.

1694
01:07:27.300 --> 01:07:32.820
So you would have to go to earth, kidnap like an earthling and

1695
01:07:32.820 --> 01:07:34.619
then, you know, force him to look into the thing.

1696
01:07:34.679 --> 01:07:35.579
Exactly.

1697
01:07:35.639 --> 01:07:37.619
Another of Gary's character moments.

1698
01:07:37.619 --> 01:07:39.719
Tell him to some gas tags after that, probably.

1699
01:07:39.780 --> 01:07:40.260
Yeah.

1700
01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:42.420
I reckon they should have come to Lakersian.

1701
01:07:42.480 --> 01:07:46.739
Another of Gary's character moments is when the doctor asks Grace

1702
01:07:46.739 --> 01:07:49.199
if she can reset an alarm clock, Gary's got a paragraph of how

1703
01:07:49.199 --> 01:07:51.960
Grace could never reset an alarm clock and she and Brian were

1704
01:07:51.960 --> 01:07:54.840
always late for work because she couldn't set, she could do heart

1705
01:07:54.840 --> 01:07:56.880
surgery, but she couldn't set an alarm clock.

1706
01:07:56.880 --> 01:08:00.000
At that point, I'm reading it and Gary had already said to me, I

1707
01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:01.199
had to put in so much character stuff.

1708
01:08:01.260 --> 01:08:03.900
I'm like, okay, Gaz, yeah, you're just trying to finish off this

1709
01:08:03.900 --> 01:08:04.619
page, aren't you?

1710
01:08:04.679 --> 01:08:06.300
Okay, here we go.

1711
01:08:06.360 --> 01:08:07.980
Oh, that really hurt.

1712
01:08:08.039 --> 01:08:09.420
I got funny eyes now.

1713
01:08:09.539 --> 01:08:11.880
And that's not even the neutron ram.

1714
01:08:11.940 --> 01:08:13.019
No, it's not.

1715
01:08:13.139 --> 01:08:14.760
Do we know what that is?

1716
01:08:14.820 --> 01:08:16.619
It's Paul Darrow's door prop.

1717
01:08:16.680 --> 01:08:18.420
He used to play with it as well in Blake 7.

1718
01:08:18.479 --> 01:08:20.460
I believe that's the moog drone club.

1719
01:08:20.520 --> 01:08:21.539
It is, yes.

1720
01:08:21.779 --> 01:08:24.479
If you've got a moog synthesiser.

1721
01:08:24.539 --> 01:08:26.220
You need one of those drone clips.

1722
01:08:26.279 --> 01:08:30.180
All of those things appeared. early on in Earth shock.

1723
01:08:30.239 --> 01:08:32.220
That's right, yes.

1724
01:08:32.220 --> 01:08:39.420
And also appeared very slightly in vengeance on Varos and the twin

1725
01:08:39.420 --> 01:08:39.899
dilemma.

1726
01:08:39.960 --> 01:08:40.560
Oh, really?

1727
01:08:40.680 --> 01:08:42.720
The props were still lying around.

1728
01:08:43.680 --> 01:08:46.260
Well, the technical manual was.

1729
01:08:46.319 --> 01:08:49.020
Which no one ever took seriously anyway.

1730
01:08:49.079 --> 01:08:50.220
No, no.

1731
01:08:50.279 --> 01:08:51.840
It was a very weird fanboy.

1732
01:08:51.899 --> 01:08:53.279
Very weird blue and white thing.

1733
01:08:53.340 --> 01:08:55.079
That perspective shot.

1734
01:08:55.140 --> 01:08:58.739
Interested me as a child because, you know, it's quite it's quite

1735
01:08:58.739 --> 01:08:59.279
blown out.

1736
01:08:59.340 --> 01:09:01.859
So it's like, is that how the doctor sees everything because he's

1737
01:09:01.859 --> 01:09:03.539
an alien and his eyes are slightly different?

1738
01:09:03.600 --> 01:09:04.800
Oh, but his eyes are meant to be human.

1739
01:09:04.859 --> 01:09:06.659
As a kid, I didn't see that as a mistake.

1740
01:09:06.720 --> 01:09:07.979
I saw that as something intriguing.

1741
01:09:08.039 --> 01:09:09.960
Oh, she keeps doing that, Nathan.

1742
01:09:10.020 --> 01:09:11.399
Yeah, it really hurt.

1743
01:09:11.460 --> 01:09:11.819
Yeah.

1744
01:09:11.819 --> 01:09:15.300
Oh.

1745
01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:17.880
It's as if Brendan was writing the entire script.

1746
01:09:17.939 --> 01:09:19.619
You still got the cowboy boots on, right?

1747
01:09:21.779 --> 01:09:28.560
And the tie back is that the the undersuit of that, the black

1748
01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:34.859
undersuit is a Nehru suit and what is being worn by Gordon Tipple

1749
01:09:34.859 --> 01:09:35.760
at the beginning of the film.

1750
01:09:35.819 --> 01:09:37.020
So it is.

1751
01:09:37.020 --> 01:09:39.659
There's some really subtle things in here, listeners, that, you

1752
01:09:39.659 --> 01:09:39.899
know.

1753
01:09:39.899 --> 01:09:41.460
And the cloak ain't one of them.

1754
01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:43.380
Yeah, just too subtle.

1755
01:09:43.439 --> 01:09:45.899
They don't make it anymore entertaining. or anything.

1756
01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:46.859
No, no, no.

1757
01:09:46.920 --> 01:09:49.859
It's either sledgehammer tactics or it's just too soft.

1758
01:09:49.920 --> 01:09:50.220
Yeah.

1759
01:09:50.279 --> 01:09:54.119
But are we all getting a lot of Timothy Dalton in this

1760
01:09:54.119 --> 01:09:54.479
performance?

1761
01:09:56.279 --> 01:09:59.159
My, my body, my TARDIS.

1762
01:09:59.279 --> 01:10:03.479
Oh, can I say how much I adore Timothy Dalton this wrestle on?

1763
01:10:03.539 --> 01:10:07.680
He's so superb. is maybe the only really very good thing about the

1764
01:10:07.680 --> 01:10:08.460
end of time.

1765
01:10:08.520 --> 01:10:09.659
I love that shot.

1766
01:10:09.720 --> 01:10:15.239
It's more Jesus stuff, though. just in case, yeah, that's right.

1767
01:10:15.300 --> 01:10:17.880
And I've never counted them, but apparently there's 13 on there

1768
01:10:17.880 --> 01:10:18.720
but I think that's a lie.

1769
01:10:18.840 --> 01:10:19.920
Boom, boom.

1770
01:10:20.039 --> 01:10:22.920
So here's that costume party.

1771
01:10:22.979 --> 01:10:25.140
It's really going off, isn't it?

1772
01:10:25.199 --> 01:10:27.899
And I love this girl who's about to turn around.

1773
01:10:27.960 --> 01:10:31.020
What an amazing mask.

1774
01:10:31.079 --> 01:10:32.640
The moon is fantastic.

1775
01:10:33.060 --> 01:10:39.960
I think that that McGann should have taken the Nixon Mask.

1776
01:10:39.960 --> 01:10:41.640
And nothing else.

1777
01:10:41.699 --> 01:10:44.340
Yeah, no, I was really disappointed that Pertwee stopped wearing

1778
01:10:44.340 --> 01:10:47.279
that piece of last over his mouth.

1779
01:10:47.340 --> 01:10:48.539
When he says it's getting hard.

1780
01:10:48.600 --> 01:10:51.960
I just think of like planet of the spiders.

1781
01:10:52.020 --> 01:10:54.539
You know, it's probably a tribute to Barry.

1782
01:10:57.600 --> 01:11:01.439
Apparently after the press screening of Rose, Barry did come up to

1783
01:11:01.439 --> 01:11:04.560
Russell and Z. Now, that's how you do it, and that was so much

1784
01:11:04.560 --> 01:11:06.359
better than what we got in 1996.

1785
01:11:06.539 --> 01:11:10.380
Well, I mean, they did borrow from Barry's first.

1786
01:11:10.439 --> 01:11:12.060
Well, it's not his first, is it?

1787
01:11:12.119 --> 01:11:12.539
Yeah.

1788
01:11:12.600 --> 01:11:15.539
But as much as, you know, Russell took this as a guide what not to

1789
01:11:15.539 --> 01:11:20.100
do, I do think there's elements here that inform...

1790
01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:24.180
Yeah, they inform what Russell did beyond just don't do that.

1791
01:11:25.319 --> 01:11:27.000
No, no, no.

1792
01:11:27.060 --> 01:11:31.319
There's nods to this and in things like, you know, that mystical

1793
01:11:31.319 --> 01:11:33.960
energy that heals them and all that sort of thing is like the

1794
01:11:33.960 --> 01:11:36.899
regeneration energy, that sort of thing. magic eye lighting.

1795
01:11:37.079 --> 01:11:40.680
There is a kind of through line from survival through this.

1796
01:11:40.800 --> 01:11:44.460
And and and Philip Segal, when he was asked, you know, you've got

1797
01:11:44.460 --> 01:11:45.899
the set of the doctor in it, is Ace in it.

1798
01:11:45.960 --> 01:11:48.600
He said, no, I think Ace's story has been very well dealt with

1799
01:11:48.600 --> 01:11:49.680
with the new adventures novels.

1800
01:11:49.739 --> 01:11:51.180
Oh, yeah.

1801
01:11:51.180 --> 01:11:56.220
And again, I don't know if you read them, but he at least, there

1802
01:11:56.220 --> 01:11:58.319
are early documents when he's planning this.

1803
01:11:58.380 --> 01:12:02.460
There are letters going back and forth of, okay, we've got Silv.

1804
01:12:02.520 --> 01:12:03.479
What about Ace?

1805
01:12:03.539 --> 01:12:04.920
And I think that's how he's informed all.

1806
01:12:04.979 --> 01:12:07.140
She been written out in the novels, but he's like, nope, that

1807
01:12:07.140 --> 01:12:07.319
works.

1808
01:12:07.380 --> 01:12:12.180
I get really cheased off with this with the half of the face on

1809
01:12:12.180 --> 01:12:13.319
the screen and half not.

1810
01:12:13.380 --> 01:12:14.039
I don't know why.

1811
01:12:14.279 --> 01:12:16.020
It's too much.

1812
01:12:16.079 --> 01:12:17.939
Yeah, it's too on the nose.

1813
01:12:18.000 --> 01:12:21.720
Well, it's a little too artfully produced.

1814
01:12:21.779 --> 01:12:23.939
There's just a bit too much gorgy.

1815
01:12:24.000 --> 01:12:27.060
Are they trying to inject things into it?

1816
01:12:27.119 --> 01:12:30.479
Try to inject depth, breadth, and interest or sideways interest to

1817
01:12:30.479 --> 01:12:32.039
something that has no depth in itself.

1818
01:12:32.100 --> 01:12:33.300
The script is meaningless.

1819
01:12:33.479 --> 01:12:35.640
Carter-product, dude.

1820
01:12:37.439 --> 01:12:39.600
In railroads itself.

1821
01:12:39.779 --> 01:12:42.600
It's that loop road in Vancouver.

1822
01:12:42.659 --> 01:12:44.039
Yeah, unlike his performance.

1823
01:12:44.100 --> 01:12:45.239
Which one?

1824
01:12:45.239 --> 01:12:45.600
Yeah.

1825
01:12:45.659 --> 01:12:47.220
I think he does a really good job.

1826
01:12:47.279 --> 01:12:48.659
Eric Roberts or both of them.

1827
01:12:48.720 --> 01:12:49.079
Both of them.

1828
01:12:49.079 --> 01:12:49.319
Yeah.

1829
01:12:49.380 --> 01:12:52.739
Yeah, in fact, really, that's the most romantic moment in the...

1830
01:12:52.800 --> 01:12:53.939
Oh, I don't know.

1831
01:12:54.000 --> 01:12:54.659
We've all been there.

1832
01:12:54.720 --> 01:12:57.960
And I mean, love goes wrong, you know.

1833
01:12:58.020 --> 01:13:01.500
You know, you, you, um, yeah, you, Chang Li.

1834
01:13:01.560 --> 01:13:04.079
That's the thing. not an innocent. you know, he's shooting people

1835
01:13:04.079 --> 01:13:05.100
at the beginning of the film.

1836
01:13:05.159 --> 01:13:10.079
But at the same time, he's not an evil character.

1837
01:13:10.140 --> 01:13:12.779
And, you know, the master does have a line there where basically

1838
01:13:12.779 --> 01:13:14.159
he's a victim of circumstance.

1839
01:13:14.220 --> 01:13:16.020
Yeah, yuck.

1840
01:13:16.800 --> 01:13:19.680
Yeah, see that's as creepy as anything.

1841
01:13:19.739 --> 01:13:21.420
When the lights come on at palms.

1842
01:13:23.939 --> 01:13:26.579
You never know what's working around the corner.

1843
01:13:26.640 --> 01:13:29.520
That makes XL for our UK listeners.

1844
01:13:29.579 --> 01:13:31.739
Okay, now we're in the eye.

1845
01:13:31.739 --> 01:13:34.079
We have lots of lights, flashing lights.

1846
01:13:34.079 --> 01:13:35.640
I don't know what's going on.

1847
01:13:35.699 --> 01:13:36.960
Yeah, so he's shaking.

1848
01:13:37.020 --> 01:13:39.479
Pretty much from this point, this is where they went.

1849
01:13:39.479 --> 01:13:40.380
I wish we were too, honey.

1850
01:13:40.439 --> 01:13:44.039
The original ending, which I don't know what it was, isn't

1851
01:13:44.039 --> 01:13:44.279
working.

1852
01:13:44.340 --> 01:13:45.300
We need a new ending.

1853
01:13:45.359 --> 01:13:48.600
And that's why the ending of the film really is just sound and

1854
01:13:48.600 --> 01:13:50.399
light to punching people in the face.

1855
01:13:50.460 --> 01:13:54.180
It's like the par wraiths plot at the end of day, Space nine, which

1856
01:13:54.180 --> 01:13:57.300
just ends up people firing special effects at one another and

1857
01:13:57.300 --> 01:13:58.020
stops being interesting.

1858
01:13:58.079 --> 01:14:02.520
The original, the original concept of this is, and it was kind of

1859
01:14:02.520 --> 01:14:07.619
dropped, is that when Changli realises this is a time machine, He

1860
01:14:07.619 --> 01:14:10.260
realises that his father who was killed by the gangs and why

1861
01:14:10.260 --> 01:14:13.260
Changli got involved with the gangs, maybe he can see him again.

1862
01:14:13.319 --> 01:14:17.279
And I gather, from what I've been able to find out, the original

1863
01:14:17.279 --> 01:14:20.279
conclusion actually involved them going inside the eye of harmony

1864
01:14:20.279 --> 01:14:22.560
which is a bit like the nexus in Star Trek generations.

1865
01:14:22.619 --> 01:14:25.500
So that's possibly why they dropped that idea because that had

1866
01:14:25.500 --> 01:14:26.579
just been out the year before.

1867
01:14:26.640 --> 01:14:30.479
But the idea was you can go inside and yeah, you can see everyone

1868
01:14:30.479 --> 01:14:33.720
who's passed away, but you can never come back out and you can

1869
01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:34.439
never have a real life.

1870
01:14:34.500 --> 01:14:38.579
So the ending was the doctor, Grace and Chang escaping by choosing

1871
01:14:38.579 --> 01:14:42.600
to be alive and, you know, deal with the pain of their past rather

1872
01:14:42.600 --> 01:14:44.640
than get mired.

1873
01:14:44.699 --> 01:14:48.720
Whereas the master just wants to extend his past and his misery

1874
01:14:48.720 --> 01:14:52.140
and whatnot, which I think would have been better than this ending

1875
01:14:52.140 --> 01:14:55.260
but I think cost was a factor as well, because it's very expensive

1876
01:14:55.260 --> 01:14:55.979
to do that.

1877
01:14:56.039 --> 01:14:59.159
But I mean, this is just classic word peril.

1878
01:14:59.220 --> 01:15:01.260
Is it like what the hell is going on?

1879
01:15:01.319 --> 01:15:03.840
Like, you couldn't look at it.

1880
01:15:03.899 --> 01:15:05.520
It's like Peter Davidson is still alive.

1881
01:15:05.640 --> 01:15:08.039
It's not like people attacking people and stuff.

1882
01:15:08.100 --> 01:15:10.920
It's just a whole bunch of special effects on this set and people

1883
01:15:10.920 --> 01:15:12.600
shouting about things that are happening.

1884
01:15:12.659 --> 01:15:14.159
Grace getting a sudden purr.

1885
01:15:14.279 --> 01:15:15.539
How does she know how to do this?

1886
01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:19.800
Well, and but also also, you know, the doctor calling out these

1887
01:15:19.800 --> 01:15:21.119
things, like the rules.

1888
01:15:21.180 --> 01:15:24.300
No, she can't look in the thing because she doesn't have human

1889
01:15:24.300 --> 01:15:27.420
eyes, no, the thing's pinning him there so he can't move.

1890
01:15:27.479 --> 01:15:28.739
Like none of that's obvious.

1891
01:15:28.800 --> 01:15:31.500
It's all just... no, it was in the last script.

1892
01:15:32.039 --> 01:15:36.479
And, you know, no wonder no wonder Grace is bad at setting alarm

1893
01:15:36.479 --> 01:15:36.960
clocks.

1894
01:15:37.020 --> 01:15:39.180
If her idea of setting an alarm clock is to rip out all the

1895
01:15:39.180 --> 01:15:39.659
wires.

1896
01:15:39.779 --> 01:15:41.880
Yeah she does that every morning.

1897
01:15:42.840 --> 01:15:45.720
Brian buys another one on the way home.

1898
01:15:45.720 --> 01:15:49.500
I just said it was a nod back to like Tom Baker doing a lot of

1899
01:15:49.500 --> 01:15:50.279
ripping.

1900
01:15:50.340 --> 01:15:52.920
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the real Power of Crawl episode four.

1901
01:15:52.979 --> 01:15:56.220
Yeah, it just makes no sense of your analogy.

1902
01:15:56.279 --> 01:15:59.220
You know, they've just written an alarm clock because an alarm

1903
01:15:59.220 --> 01:16:00.060
clock is a clock.

1904
01:16:03.239 --> 01:16:04.979
Why is that there?

1905
01:16:05.039 --> 01:16:07.260
The last time this happened, we were in Cardiff.

1906
01:16:07.319 --> 01:16:08.159
Actually, you know what?

1907
01:16:08.220 --> 01:16:10.619
I think I figured out why it seems to be midnight everywhere in

1908
01:16:10.619 --> 01:16:12.000
the world in a moment.

1909
01:16:12.060 --> 01:16:13.979
Like they cut to...

1910
01:16:14.100 --> 01:16:16.680
Because the screenwriters are not aware of other countries or

1911
01:16:16.680 --> 01:16:17.880
indeed other time zones.

1912
01:16:17.939 --> 01:16:20.579
No, because it's all the replicas in Vegas.

1913
01:16:20.760 --> 01:16:27.539
Oh, and I believe Vegas is in the same time zone as San

1914
01:16:27.539 --> 01:16:28.199
Francisco.

1915
01:16:28.260 --> 01:16:29.460
So it's not real different countries.

1916
01:16:29.520 --> 01:16:33.119
No, it's surprised there isn't a shining ancient Egypt. you know

1917
01:16:33.119 --> 01:16:33.479
what I mean?

1918
01:16:35.460 --> 01:16:37.199
What the hell?

1919
01:16:37.199 --> 01:16:39.659
Meanwhile, Cumanian era.

1920
01:16:39.659 --> 01:16:42.000
Fireworks.

1921
01:16:42.060 --> 01:16:43.079
What is happening?

1922
01:16:43.140 --> 01:16:46.500
I don't know what's happening Some energy thing whooshing.

1923
01:16:47.460 --> 01:16:51.060
Yeah, the ending makes no sense whatsoever.

1924
01:16:51.119 --> 01:16:51.539
What?

1925
01:16:51.539 --> 01:16:53.640
Humanian era, please.

1926
01:16:53.699 --> 01:16:57.000
The other things, the other things on the turney thing said

1927
01:16:57.000 --> 01:16:59.520
Menusen era and sensorian era.

1928
01:16:59.640 --> 01:17:02.640
I think there's a Wrestleon and a Wrestleonian era, Wrestleon era

1929
01:17:02.640 --> 01:17:02.819
yeah.

1930
01:17:02.880 --> 01:17:05.460
Now she's thinking alarm clock after you see...

1931
01:17:05.460 --> 01:17:06.600
But yeah, something...

1932
01:17:06.720 --> 01:17:08.460
Manusa is just the word.

1933
01:17:08.520 --> 01:17:10.439
I think it's the Pali word for humanity.

1934
01:17:10.500 --> 01:17:11.520
Oh right.

1935
01:17:11.579 --> 01:17:12.899
There you go.

1936
01:17:12.960 --> 01:17:13.680
Kids at home.

1937
01:17:13.739 --> 01:17:17.279
And of course, what's a temporal orbit became a thing in fandom

1938
01:17:17.279 --> 01:17:17.640
for a while?

1939
01:17:17.640 --> 01:17:19.680
Because, yes, indeed, what is a temporal orbit?

1940
01:17:19.800 --> 01:17:23.340
A friend of the podcast, Matthew Rayner, had a fans ink called

1941
01:17:23.340 --> 01:17:27.960
Temporal Orbit, for about 18 issues that I was a regular writer

1942
01:17:27.960 --> 01:17:32.159
for when, you know, fanzines were put together by hand and more

1943
01:17:32.159 --> 01:17:32.520
happy.

1944
01:17:32.579 --> 01:17:33.840
So everyone's dead now.

1945
01:17:33.899 --> 01:17:37.680
Yeah, yeah, everyone's dead and the time vortex isn't happy, which

1946
01:17:37.680 --> 01:17:39.420
is why we've got this digital shaking effect.

1947
01:17:39.479 --> 01:17:40.739
Oh dear.

1948
01:17:40.800 --> 01:17:44.039
So I imagine here's how I think it's going to go.

1949
01:17:44.100 --> 01:17:46.439
There'll be a lot of talking and then everything will be all right

1950
01:17:46.439 --> 01:17:46.739
again.

1951
01:17:47.340 --> 01:17:50.640
Everyone's going to sit down to tea and biscuits because we're all

1952
01:17:50.640 --> 01:17:51.060
British.

1953
01:17:51.119 --> 01:17:57.659
Okay, so the subtitle there for the no was N-O dash 0 dash 0 dash

1954
01:17:57.659 --> 01:18:01.560
O. Oh, my name's got the idea from.

1955
01:18:01.619 --> 01:18:03.539
The camera's shaking and then it's not shaking.

1956
01:18:03.600 --> 01:18:04.619
Yeah.

1957
01:18:04.619 --> 01:18:10.260
He's going to a lot of effort to get a new hairdo.

1958
01:18:11.699 --> 01:18:14.399
He can literally just take it off his head.

1959
01:18:17.460 --> 01:18:19.260
Watch out, Grace.

1960
01:18:19.319 --> 01:18:21.239
Shaky bannister.com.

1961
01:18:21.300 --> 01:18:22.140
Oh, Lord.

1962
01:18:22.140 --> 01:18:24.180
Oh, we have to do that.

1963
01:18:24.180 --> 01:18:28.140
I could be wrong, but I believe that that stopped was done by Pat

1964
01:18:28.140 --> 01:18:28.800
Tallman.

1965
01:18:28.920 --> 01:18:30.899
And who's Pat Torman?

1966
01:18:30.960 --> 01:18:34.260
Pat Tallman was a regular stunt actor and background artist on

1967
01:18:34.260 --> 01:18:36.960
Star Trek the Next Generation, but most famous, I think, to genre

1968
01:18:36.960 --> 01:18:39.119
fans as Lita Alexander from Babylon 5.

1969
01:18:39.119 --> 01:18:40.199
The Telepack.

1970
01:18:40.260 --> 01:18:41.460
I've never heard of that There you are.

1971
01:18:41.520 --> 01:18:43.319
Neither have I. Watch out.

1972
01:18:43.380 --> 01:18:46.800
But yeah, she's a great actress as well as a great starwoman.

1973
01:18:49.859 --> 01:18:52.979
Now, this, I remember as a kid, I'm like, wow, that is, you know

1974
01:18:52.979 --> 01:18:54.899
the master has never punched the doctor.

1975
01:18:54.960 --> 01:18:56.340
Sorry, kicked the doctor in the stomach.

1976
01:18:56.460 --> 01:19:00.000
I think it's appropriate for the film, but, you know, it really

1977
01:19:00.000 --> 01:19:00.479
got my attention.

1978
01:19:00.600 --> 01:19:04.199
Well, maybe he's compatible with a little of Bruce and maybe there

1979
01:19:04.199 --> 01:19:06.359
was a bit of tree mass in him previously.

1980
01:19:06.840 --> 01:19:10.859
The master is maybe the worst idea possible for bringing the show

1981
01:19:10.859 --> 01:19:11.880
back, don't you think?

1982
01:19:11.939 --> 01:19:14.399
It's definitely throwing a whole lot of really, what?

1983
01:19:14.460 --> 01:19:17.399
Yeah, well, I mean, like we had what?

1984
01:19:17.460 --> 01:19:20.399
Seven years of Doctor Who before the Master came in it.

1985
01:19:20.460 --> 01:19:23.279
If the master's the doctor's opposite, we need to know who the

1986
01:19:23.279 --> 01:19:23.880
doctor is.

1987
01:19:24.359 --> 01:19:25.380
Yeah, and we don't.

1988
01:19:26.880 --> 01:19:29.640
It's like introducing Sherlock with the Reichenbuck for...

1989
01:19:29.699 --> 01:19:32.039
So it should be an unknown alien threat.

1990
01:19:32.100 --> 01:19:32.880
It should be.

1991
01:19:32.880 --> 01:19:35.579
Yeah, it should be the autons in bridal gown.

1992
01:19:35.640 --> 01:19:36.060
Always.

1993
01:19:36.119 --> 01:19:38.819
Actually, you know what it could be?

1994
01:19:38.880 --> 01:19:43.020
Grace's boss. could actually be covering up the doctor being an

1995
01:19:43.020 --> 01:19:45.000
alien because he's in league with aliens.

1996
01:19:46.020 --> 01:19:47.100
Now, I've got a confession to make.

1997
01:19:47.220 --> 01:19:50.939
I saw a version of this before it actually got released with the

1998
01:19:50.939 --> 01:19:52.260
green screen of that.

1999
01:19:52.319 --> 01:19:52.920
Oh, really?

2000
01:19:52.920 --> 01:19:56.340
And all the other dialogue, like a few days it got it got leaked.

2001
01:19:56.340 --> 01:19:56.939
The slash print.

2002
01:19:57.000 --> 01:19:57.300
I remember.

2003
01:19:57.359 --> 01:19:58.680
So I saw the slash print.

2004
01:19:58.739 --> 01:19:59.880
And so they had to talk about that.

2005
01:19:59.939 --> 01:20:02.760
Had had him just going rotating around on some green.

2006
01:20:04.979 --> 01:20:07.199
That's how you'll always see it.

2007
01:20:07.319 --> 01:20:08.159
That's how I always see it.

2008
01:20:08.220 --> 01:20:09.600
I've never seen that.

2009
01:20:09.659 --> 01:20:11.819
And I wish I hadn't.

2010
01:20:11.880 --> 01:20:16.859
There's also there's also a bit where when Paul was doing the

2011
01:20:16.859 --> 01:20:19.380
green screen to appear in the Eye of Harmony, there's a lovely

2012
01:20:19.380 --> 01:20:24.359
outtake where he's holding his son Joe. Is it Joe, his son?

2013
01:20:24.359 --> 01:20:25.199
Or one of it?

2014
01:20:25.739 --> 01:20:30.840
But his son who later plays Alex in the Alex foreman in the audios

2015
01:20:30.840 --> 01:20:33.000
you know, when he's like 2 or 3 years old, he's holding him on the

2016
01:20:33.000 --> 01:20:33.600
green screen.

2017
01:20:33.659 --> 01:20:37.199
And so in the slash print, that is put in when the doctor appears

2018
01:20:37.199 --> 01:20:39.840
in the thing, just as a placeholder.

2019
01:20:39.899 --> 01:20:40.500
Yeah.

2020
01:20:40.560 --> 01:20:45.239
See, they had fun making this, but didn't, um, again, say or one

2021
01:20:45.239 --> 01:20:47.520
of them, con that no one actually knew what was going.

2022
01:20:47.579 --> 01:20:49.439
Where did all those leads come from?

2023
01:20:49.500 --> 01:20:51.000
Like with the nervoids there or something?

2024
01:20:52.140 --> 01:20:54.239
Where did the bats come from?

2025
01:20:54.300 --> 01:20:57.779
Actually, I like to think that Harrison Chase survived and is now

2026
01:20:57.779 --> 01:21:01.619
just doing pottaging and botanical supervision in the Tartar

2027
01:21:01.619 --> 01:21:01.920
bowels.

2028
01:21:01.979 --> 01:21:02.460
And what's this?

2029
01:21:02.520 --> 01:21:04.859
Well, that's the...

2030
01:21:04.920 --> 01:21:06.300
Regenerative energy.

2031
01:21:06.659 --> 01:21:09.960
Yeah, actually, I think that's probably why in the new series. the

2032
01:21:09.960 --> 01:21:10.920
1st time we've seen it look like that.

2033
01:21:10.979 --> 01:21:13.500
That's right Oh, dear, it comes from this.

2034
01:21:13.560 --> 01:21:14.880
I thought of that before.

2035
01:21:15.000 --> 01:21:16.319
Yeah, that's a good point.

2036
01:21:16.380 --> 01:21:16.680
Yeah.

2037
01:21:16.800 --> 01:21:19.560
And the thing is, I like that the doctor looks surprised by this.

2038
01:21:19.619 --> 01:21:20.880
He's not expecting it to happen.

2039
01:21:20.939 --> 01:21:22.560
He's not a magician making it happen.

2040
01:21:22.619 --> 01:21:24.239
Yeah, exactly.

2041
01:21:25.140 --> 01:21:29.460
I believe also in, it's either Gary Russell's novelisation or the

2042
01:21:29.460 --> 01:21:30.420
original script.

2043
01:21:32.220 --> 01:21:35.699
Chang Li does have his neck broken and the TARDIS heals him, but

2044
01:21:35.699 --> 01:21:38.220
Grace is just stunned from the fall.

2045
01:21:38.279 --> 01:21:40.739
I mean, I mean, it doesn't quite work.

2046
01:21:40.800 --> 01:21:43.199
I mean, she doesn't hold back, yeah, if she gets killed and then

2047
01:21:43.199 --> 01:21:44.100
she gets better.

2048
01:21:44.220 --> 01:21:45.539
She can actually do anything.

2049
01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:48.300
Or he's talking about her holding back his death.

2050
01:21:48.359 --> 01:21:49.140
Maybe.

2051
01:21:49.140 --> 01:21:49.619
Yeah.

2052
01:21:49.680 --> 01:21:51.000
That's how I always took it.

2053
01:21:51.060 --> 01:21:54.479
And I love this shot and this shot convinces me they would have

2054
01:21:54.479 --> 01:21:55.199
been a great team.

2055
01:21:55.260 --> 01:21:56.579
I think they would have been too.

2056
01:21:56.640 --> 01:21:59.279
And I think if we just dropped the background.

2057
01:21:59.340 --> 01:22:01.739
I think there's nothing wrong with keeping them together at the

2058
01:22:01.739 --> 01:22:04.079
end because then if they went to series and didn't want them, you

2059
01:22:04.079 --> 01:22:06.659
can just say, well, I returned to Earth.

2060
01:22:06.779 --> 01:22:07.800
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

2061
01:22:07.800 --> 01:22:09.359
My boyfriend's gone.

2062
01:22:09.420 --> 01:22:12.180
She's lost a job, she's lost a sofa, and yet she's still going to

2063
01:22:12.180 --> 01:22:13.079
choose not to dress.

2064
01:22:13.079 --> 01:22:15.840
Oh, yes, yes, dress sense as well.

2065
01:22:15.899 --> 01:22:19.140
But it's like, really, like, that's the script.

2066
01:22:19.199 --> 01:22:22.920
See, I think the reason they didn't was, they were so conscious of

2067
01:22:22.920 --> 01:22:25.859
the fact that the Fox movie department knew this was a backdoor

2068
01:22:25.859 --> 01:22:28.020
pilot, but the Fox television department didn't.

2069
01:22:28.140 --> 01:22:31.500
So they were very sensitive of not treading on their toes at the

2070
01:22:31.500 --> 01:22:35.819
risk of the television department, losing it and saying, no, no

2071
01:22:35.819 --> 01:22:39.180
where, you know, it's, it's like the original thing of Doctor Who

2072
01:22:39.180 --> 01:22:42.119
in the 1960s when nobody wanted to take control of it.

2073
01:22:42.180 --> 01:22:45.479
So Lambert said, no, we're a cereal, where part of the drama

2074
01:22:45.479 --> 01:22:46.319
department, deal with it.

2075
01:22:47.579 --> 01:22:49.680
We can see that really well.

2076
01:22:49.800 --> 01:22:51.000
I...

2077
01:22:51.060 --> 01:22:51.420
There you go.

2078
01:22:51.479 --> 01:22:52.500
250?

2079
01:22:52.560 --> 01:22:53.399
Oh, it's further away now.

2080
01:22:55.079 --> 01:22:57.300
It's just so funny now.

2081
01:22:57.359 --> 01:22:58.800
Blow it up.

2082
01:22:58.859 --> 01:23:04.920
Come on, Russell. get rid of it Oh, actually, Todd, we should

2083
01:23:04.920 --> 01:23:10.680
mention, of course, that Daphne Ashbrook was a guest star on your

2084
01:23:10.680 --> 01:23:11.579
favourite Star Trek.

2085
01:23:11.699 --> 01:23:13.439
Oh, Deep Space Nine.

2086
01:23:13.500 --> 01:23:14.340
Deep Space 9, yeah.

2087
01:23:14.399 --> 01:23:16.140
Yeah, she played Men Laura.

2088
01:23:16.199 --> 01:23:21.659
The character from a low gravity planet that in our gravity had to

2089
01:23:21.659 --> 01:23:22.319
be in a wheelchair.

2090
01:23:22.380 --> 01:23:23.939
I think she did a great job in that.

2091
01:23:24.000 --> 01:23:24.479
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2092
01:23:24.479 --> 01:23:27.720
It's not a well liked episode, but I think she actually thought it

2093
01:23:27.720 --> 01:23:28.140
wasn't bad.

2094
01:23:28.199 --> 01:23:31.859
And what particular latex disfunction did she have on her

2095
01:23:31.859 --> 01:23:32.520
forehead?

2096
01:23:32.579 --> 01:23:36.420
She had ridges and then she had this blonde wig. wig.

2097
01:23:36.479 --> 01:23:36.840
Yeah.

2098
01:23:36.840 --> 01:23:39.420
And she had to kiss Alexander Saddig.

2099
01:23:39.479 --> 01:23:40.199
Oh dear.

2100
01:23:40.260 --> 01:23:42.000
It's hard life.

2101
01:23:42.000 --> 01:23:42.960
In a harness.

2102
01:23:43.020 --> 01:23:45.659
Oh, no, we're flying around. that's right.

2103
01:23:45.720 --> 01:23:52.319
But as Melora, she has had a post-life in the Star Trek novels, I

2104
01:23:52.319 --> 01:23:54.899
believe she's currently on the USS Titan under Captain Riker.

2105
01:23:54.960 --> 01:23:57.000
Oh, if you'll pardon the expression.

2106
01:23:57.060 --> 01:23:59.220
Yeah, frequently under Captain Roger.

2107
01:23:59.279 --> 01:24:01.079
Oh, yes, New Year.

2108
01:24:02.039 --> 01:24:03.779
I love that guy.

2109
01:24:03.840 --> 01:24:05.159
He gets to have a party.

2110
01:24:05.220 --> 01:24:06.180
That seems unfair.

2111
01:24:06.239 --> 01:24:10.020
I think if he wanted to, I think he's perfectly happy not having a

2112
01:24:10.020 --> 01:24:10.199
party.

2113
01:24:10.260 --> 01:24:11.220
Okay fair enough.

2114
01:24:11.279 --> 01:24:16.739
And and that that young lady gets a gets a whole subplot in the

2115
01:24:16.739 --> 01:24:17.340
novel.

2116
01:24:17.399 --> 01:24:20.520
She is Professor Wag's daughter and has been eyeing off Gareth all

2117
01:24:20.520 --> 01:24:23.340
night and just wishes he'd come over and talk to her and the end

2118
01:24:23.340 --> 01:24:24.479
just goes stuff it.

2119
01:24:24.840 --> 01:24:27.479
The novel just seems better than this.

2120
01:24:27.539 --> 01:24:31.560
Well, the novel was done on the last but one draft.

2121
01:24:31.619 --> 01:24:33.659
Yeah, I haven't seen seen them.

2122
01:24:33.720 --> 01:24:34.199
Yeah.

2123
01:24:34.260 --> 01:24:38.220
And Gary tries to redress the ending a bit and explain it a bit

2124
01:24:38.220 --> 01:24:40.800
more, which you can do in prose in a way that you can't do in

2125
01:24:40.800 --> 01:24:43.140
dialogue without even more word peril.

2126
01:24:43.199 --> 01:24:45.119
So had Gary seen the sets or...

2127
01:24:45.119 --> 01:24:46.439
I don't think so.

2128
01:24:46.500 --> 01:24:47.579
I don't think he flew out there.

2129
01:24:47.640 --> 01:24:51.060
I think he saw lots of photographs, but I'm not sure whether they

2130
01:24:51.060 --> 01:24:52.020
flew him out there or not.

2131
01:24:52.079 --> 01:24:55.500
Mind you, the BBC wanted this to be a big success and did a

2132
01:24:55.500 --> 01:24:56.460
merchandise bonanza.

2133
01:24:56.520 --> 01:24:57.779
So they may have sent it out there.

2134
01:24:57.840 --> 01:24:59.159
You know, and here we go.

2135
01:24:59.279 --> 01:25:00.420
I can be horrible.

2136
01:25:00.479 --> 01:25:03.479
I can say with the bad guy, but I'm still going to get my reward

2137
01:25:03.479 --> 01:25:04.739
which is pots of gold.

2138
01:25:04.859 --> 01:25:08.939
But I think here what's what's happened is that the doctor

2139
01:25:08.939 --> 01:25:11.279
recognises the good in him.

2140
01:25:11.340 --> 01:25:12.840
Yeah, right?

2141
01:25:12.899 --> 01:25:13.920
Yeah, I think so.

2142
01:25:13.920 --> 01:25:17.340
He's not going to have to be in a gun toting gang if he's got lots

2143
01:25:17.340 --> 01:25:17.760
of money.

2144
01:25:17.819 --> 01:25:18.779
He'll...

2145
01:25:18.779 --> 01:25:20.520
I'd like him to be in a gun.

2146
01:25:21.359 --> 01:25:23.579
Start up a business and exploit the workers.

2147
01:25:23.640 --> 01:25:24.539
I think...

2148
01:25:24.600 --> 01:25:25.140
Okay, okay.

2149
01:25:25.199 --> 01:25:27.960
Oh, yes.

2150
01:25:27.960 --> 01:25:31.859
And she's had a, she's really learned something today.

2151
01:25:31.920 --> 01:25:32.579
Yeah.

2152
01:25:32.579 --> 01:25:34.619
Yes, but I'm not going to go with you.

2153
01:25:34.680 --> 01:25:36.600
They both have our hair looks so similar right now.

2154
01:25:36.659 --> 01:25:38.699
We can't tell one of them from the back.

2155
01:25:38.760 --> 01:25:40.079
And do you come with me?

2156
01:25:40.140 --> 01:25:41.340
There's no through line with that at all.

2157
01:25:41.460 --> 01:25:45.779
Well, the thing is, I'm sorry, I just really hate this.

2158
01:25:45.840 --> 01:25:49.500
What I got as a key because I wanted her to go with him, but I

2159
01:25:49.500 --> 01:25:52.020
kind of got her rationale in that, you know, at the beginning of

2160
01:25:52.020 --> 01:25:53.340
the film.

2161
01:25:53.399 --> 01:25:55.619
She's worrying about what Brian will think.

2162
01:25:55.680 --> 01:25:59.100
And when she's saying, I realised, I realised now who I am, and

2163
01:25:59.100 --> 01:26:01.920
she says, no, you come with me, she's saying, no, my life is just

2164
01:26:01.920 --> 01:26:02.880
as important as yours.

2165
01:26:03.239 --> 01:26:05.880
I don't have to sacrifice my life.

2166
01:26:05.939 --> 01:26:07.260
How about you sacrifice you?

2167
01:26:07.319 --> 01:26:09.239
Yes, we've never heard...

2168
01:26:09.300 --> 01:26:09.659
No.

2169
01:26:10.380 --> 01:26:12.840
You really are defending this well, Brendan. you really must love

2170
01:26:12.840 --> 01:26:15.960
it Um, you know, it's the nostalgia fact.

2171
01:26:16.020 --> 01:26:18.359
I recognise the failings, and I certainly get what you say, Todd.

2172
01:26:18.420 --> 01:26:22.680
Why wouldn't she go with him, but I see that there is an intent to

2173
01:26:22.680 --> 01:26:24.300
explain why she wouldn't go with him.

2174
01:26:24.359 --> 01:26:25.800
It's not 100% convincing.

2175
01:26:26.579 --> 01:26:29.100
I guess I just get annoyed when I see so many different American

2176
01:26:29.100 --> 01:26:32.460
movies or telly movies or shows where they have this happy ending

2177
01:26:32.460 --> 01:26:35.279
with people laughing and, you know, you know, that sort of thing

2178
01:26:35.279 --> 01:26:37.500
and that's what I get here and it just irritates me a bit.

2179
01:26:37.560 --> 01:26:40.680
But I personally really like her in this and I wish she had

2180
01:26:40.680 --> 01:26:41.340
continued with him.

2181
01:26:41.399 --> 01:26:41.880
Yeah.

2182
01:26:41.880 --> 01:26:46.020
It's such a shame that Universal won't hardly released the rights

2183
01:26:46.020 --> 01:26:48.060
for the characters and that's why we've never had Grace in the

2184
01:26:48.060 --> 01:26:48.359
audios.

2185
01:26:48.420 --> 01:26:50.939
She only comes up in the comics once.

2186
01:26:51.000 --> 01:26:55.260
Panini made a special arrangement for her to appear. for Grace to

2187
01:26:55.260 --> 01:26:55.920
appear rather.

2188
01:26:55.979 --> 01:26:59.039
But yeah, that's why Daphne has done audios, but not as great.

2189
01:26:59.039 --> 01:27:01.020
And Yi, but not as Chang.

2190
01:27:01.500 --> 01:27:04.319
So this is Lee, I should say.

2191
01:27:04.380 --> 01:27:10.680
This is the doctor hasn't learnt anything at all from his

2192
01:27:10.680 --> 01:27:11.220
adventure.

2193
01:27:11.279 --> 01:27:14.220
I need to go and sit back in the same chair and read exactly the

2194
01:27:14.220 --> 01:27:16.079
same book and listen to exactly the same record.

2195
01:27:16.140 --> 01:27:17.340
Reboot once more.

2196
01:27:17.399 --> 01:27:18.239
Yeah, yes.

2197
01:27:18.300 --> 01:27:21.659
But, I mean, they're saying he's the same man, you know.

2198
01:27:21.720 --> 01:27:22.739
I know, I know.

2199
01:27:22.739 --> 01:27:25.199
This is what I was doing this morning, damn it.

2200
01:27:25.260 --> 01:27:26.880
I'm going to finish this book if it kills me.

2201
01:27:26.939 --> 01:27:28.140
Like last time.

2202
01:27:29.939 --> 01:27:32.699
And he's in Tim's chair from the goodies.

2203
01:27:32.760 --> 01:27:33.960
All is right with the...

2204
01:27:34.020 --> 01:27:34.920
No, quite.

2205
01:27:34.979 --> 01:27:38.640
So I guess we'll see him again for the 50th anniversary.

2206
01:27:38.699 --> 01:27:41.220
That tune was written for this.

2207
01:27:41.279 --> 01:27:43.500
It's not an old jazz piece.

2208
01:27:43.800 --> 01:27:49.739
And there was a different tune in the slash print, which was a

2209
01:27:49.739 --> 01:27:52.079
classic, but I don't think they I don't think they ever intended

2210
01:27:52.079 --> 01:27:53.520
on using it while it's just a placeholder.

2211
01:27:53.579 --> 01:27:56.880
So if anyone wants to know why I haven't redesigned the website to

2212
01:27:56.880 --> 01:27:57.960
match these credits.

2213
01:27:58.020 --> 01:28:02.460
I have in the past is because they're bloody horrible.

2214
01:28:02.520 --> 01:28:06.119
So we'd have to look at them for months and months.

2215
01:28:06.180 --> 01:28:09.300
And we're not doing a theme team?

2216
01:28:09.359 --> 01:28:10.800
No, no, no.

2217
01:28:10.859 --> 01:28:12.180
This is a comment.

2218
01:28:12.239 --> 01:28:14.460
I can't afford to. right.

2219
01:28:14.520 --> 01:28:15.840
Love you, Cameron.

2220
01:28:17.100 --> 01:28:18.720
Oh dear.

2221
01:28:18.779 --> 01:28:22.319
Look at the old BBC worldwide logo and universal.

2222
01:28:22.439 --> 01:28:24.720
Yeah, that just shows you how well this really is, doesn't it?

2223
01:28:24.779 --> 01:28:27.060
So do we have closing statements?

2224
01:28:27.119 --> 01:28:29.819
Well, is there anything anyone wanted to say that they didn't get

2225
01:28:29.819 --> 01:28:30.300
a chance to?

2226
01:28:31.739 --> 01:28:34.920
Surprisingly, this is much, much thinner.

2227
01:28:35.100 --> 01:28:37.439
I feel very thin.

2228
01:28:37.500 --> 01:28:38.399
I feel glum.

2229
01:28:38.520 --> 01:28:39.779
Glum.

2230
01:28:39.779 --> 01:28:40.739
Glum, good word.

2231
01:28:40.800 --> 01:28:45.239
Well, in fact, like this, maybe more than not renewing the show

2232
01:28:45.239 --> 01:28:48.720
after season 26, this killed it.

2233
01:28:48.779 --> 01:28:49.680
Do you know what I mean?

2234
01:28:49.739 --> 01:28:53.399
Like, I think immediately after this, it seemed much, much less

2235
01:28:53.399 --> 01:28:56.399
likely that Doctor Who would ever come back because they tried

2236
01:28:56.399 --> 01:28:56.819
once.

2237
01:28:56.880 --> 01:28:58.560
It didn't work.

2238
01:28:58.619 --> 01:29:03.180
And, you know, like it was a real kind of failure.

2239
01:29:03.239 --> 01:29:08.880
Like, you know, they tried to reinvent it as a cult TV show from

2240
01:29:08.880 --> 01:29:13.439
the 90s in America and it was exactly the wrong approach to take

2241
01:29:13.439 --> 01:29:15.119
on every level.

2242
01:29:15.539 --> 01:29:17.220
Yeah, I at the time.

2243
01:29:17.279 --> 01:29:21.180
Oh, in between years, I'm really wanted them to do like 3 tilli

2244
01:29:21.180 --> 01:29:24.180
movies, like if they were going to do 3 and then make a decision

2245
01:29:24.180 --> 01:29:26.159
on the series to see how it performed over a few weeks.

2246
01:29:27.659 --> 01:29:31.140
If they did with a previous series in America, the $6000000 man

2247
01:29:31.140 --> 01:29:33.239
had three telemovies before it went.

2248
01:29:33.359 --> 01:29:35.579
But like, you know, one in the present, one in the past, one in

2249
01:29:35.579 --> 01:29:36.899
the futures type of thing.

2250
01:29:36.960 --> 01:29:40.739
So you get a feel and don't have all this crap about regeneration

2251
01:29:40.739 --> 01:29:42.479
just, you know, she discovers the doctor, right?

2252
01:29:42.539 --> 01:29:43.859
Like what, you know, has gone down.

2253
01:29:43.920 --> 01:29:46.500
You don't need a backstory to be interested in a character.

2254
01:29:46.560 --> 01:29:49.439
Then you can bring the backstory in slowly if you want to go

2255
01:29:49.439 --> 01:29:49.680
there.

2256
01:29:49.739 --> 01:29:53.039
But, you know, in a way, it's a blessing and a curse.

2257
01:29:53.100 --> 01:29:57.180
Like I'm glad that it's there in some aspects because I, you know

2258
01:29:57.180 --> 01:29:59.460
as much as I'm not a big fan of Paul McGann.

2259
01:29:59.520 --> 01:30:02.279
I think there's some lovely moments in there, but I'm also glad

2260
01:30:02.279 --> 01:30:05.939
that we didn't get the series because I just don't think we would

2261
01:30:05.939 --> 01:30:07.500
have got what we've had in the last 10 years.

2262
01:30:07.560 --> 01:30:13.260
Yeah, I think had we had a series of this, it would have been

2263
01:30:13.260 --> 01:30:14.880
mediocre.

2264
01:30:14.939 --> 01:30:22.199
Because despite the fact that the 90s was kind of a Renaissance

2265
01:30:22.199 --> 01:30:29.100
for TV sci-fi, a lot of it you look back on and Most of it is good

2266
01:30:29.100 --> 01:30:32.939
but there's very, there's only a few series that stand out as

2267
01:30:32.939 --> 01:30:33.899
really amazing stuff.

2268
01:30:33.960 --> 01:30:38.279
You know, even the X-Files, which was so massive at the time, and

2269
01:30:38.279 --> 01:30:40.319
you know, which they'd recently brought back for some reason.

2270
01:30:40.380 --> 01:30:45.359
Doesn't seem to have, doesn't seem to have had the lasting impact

2271
01:30:45.359 --> 01:30:46.380
that you might have expected.

2272
01:30:46.439 --> 01:30:48.239
Don't you think it was huge.

2273
01:30:48.300 --> 01:30:49.319
It was enormous.

2274
01:30:49.380 --> 01:30:52.560
And even towards the end, you know, when David Dakovney was

2275
01:30:52.560 --> 01:30:53.699
appearing less and less.

2276
01:30:53.760 --> 01:30:56.880
It really lost its impact and it lost its cultural capital.

2277
01:30:56.939 --> 01:30:58.020
I think I stopped watching.

2278
01:30:58.079 --> 01:31:00.600
I mean, they kept making it out of habit, I think.

2279
01:31:00.659 --> 01:31:05.220
The only sort of comparable thing I've seen since something that

2280
01:31:05.220 --> 01:31:09.060
had such a massive impact and then just faded away was Avatar, the

2281
01:31:09.060 --> 01:31:09.899
James Cameron film.

2282
01:31:09.960 --> 01:31:14.460
Because in the middle of making no less than 25 sequels to that

2283
01:31:14.460 --> 01:31:14.880
right now.

2284
01:31:14.939 --> 01:31:18.720
But, you know, for the year after its release, it was everywhere

2285
01:31:18.720 --> 01:31:23.159
and people were getting in blue makeup to get married and all this

2286
01:31:23.159 --> 01:31:26.640
crazy stuff and just kept saying...

2287
01:31:26.640 --> 01:31:31.560
He kept, you know, Cameron kept saying that, yeah, I'm going to

2288
01:31:31.560 --> 01:31:32.760
make a sequel. going make a sequel.

2289
01:31:32.819 --> 01:31:35.279
And now, you know, everyone knows what it was, like with the

2290
01:31:35.279 --> 01:31:38.399
Matrix, but it doesn't have the lasting impact.

2291
01:31:39.180 --> 01:31:43.500
It didn't work because most dates that start like this don't

2292
01:31:43.500 --> 01:31:43.979
actually work.

2293
01:31:44.039 --> 01:31:46.800
This was actually so much of its time and that it's a gay dart

2294
01:31:46.800 --> 01:31:47.100
date.

2295
01:31:47.100 --> 01:31:51.300
Or wet or kind of like inbound in a wheelchair.

2296
01:31:51.359 --> 01:31:55.380
I do think that it was, it was prescient casting to put Daphne

2297
01:31:55.380 --> 01:31:59.399
Ashbrook having her last SF role being a person in a wheelchair.

2298
01:31:59.399 --> 01:32:02.399
Because that whole thing of someone who just hasn't met that many

2299
01:32:02.399 --> 01:32:05.520
people in their life, lives mostly through the keyboard, is that

2300
01:32:05.520 --> 01:32:08.279
I'm going to tell you everything about myself in the 1st 5 minutes

2301
01:32:08.279 --> 01:32:11.100
because then you'll really like me and we'll have a really

2302
01:32:11.100 --> 01:32:13.979
meaningful relationship because you're only the 3rd person I've

2303
01:32:13.979 --> 01:32:15.239
ever gone out on a date with.

2304
01:32:15.479 --> 01:32:19.680
That's what this film is and that's why it was doomed to.

2305
01:32:19.739 --> 01:32:22.140
It's not even going to get into the 2nd cider.

2306
01:32:22.260 --> 01:32:23.220
Yeah, yeah.

2307
01:32:23.279 --> 01:32:26.880
Because you're terrifying the bejesus out of me, Bruce.

2308
01:32:27.000 --> 01:32:29.100
So stop marrying a boy.

2309
01:32:30.659 --> 01:32:33.960
Jeffrey Sachs, Matthew Jacob.

2310
01:32:34.020 --> 01:32:34.739
Oh, harsh.

2311
01:32:34.800 --> 01:32:35.880
Philip Segolf.

2312
01:32:35.939 --> 01:32:38.039
No, I'm avoiding them all.

2313
01:32:38.100 --> 01:32:41.220
No, I think sex is excellent and I want to also say that is it

2314
01:32:41.220 --> 01:32:43.380
Lissa, Patrick Lucia, the editor.

2315
01:32:43.439 --> 01:32:44.340
Oh, yes, they're both.

2316
01:32:44.399 --> 01:32:45.899
I would snog and marry both of them.

2317
01:32:45.960 --> 01:32:50.100
And I think Jacobs did an amazing thing because, you know, Jacobs

2318
01:32:50.100 --> 01:32:54.899
script actually stops. about a 3rd of the way through, and then

2319
01:32:54.899 --> 01:32:57.840
the suits take over and start dumping stuff in.

2320
01:32:57.899 --> 01:33:00.300
So a lot of the info dumping was Siegel.

2321
01:33:00.359 --> 01:33:01.079
It needs to be noted.

2322
01:33:01.199 --> 01:33:03.239
That bloody seagull crappy jet.

2323
01:33:03.300 --> 01:33:05.520
I think that was Philip Siegel who was leaving all that Zhuji

2324
01:33:05.520 --> 01:33:07.920
stuff all over all the guards and everyone because he's been

2325
01:33:07.920 --> 01:33:10.079
crapping from a great hide on this script all the way through.

2326
01:33:10.140 --> 01:33:15.539
I will agree with you that the editing and the direction say save

2327
01:33:15.539 --> 01:33:16.439
a lot. everything.

2328
01:33:16.500 --> 01:33:20.460
It makes it watchable, something that is actually, I haven't, I've

2329
01:33:20.460 --> 01:33:24.060
got to admit, I haven't read Gary Russell's novel because when I

2330
01:33:24.060 --> 01:33:26.039
even at the time seeing this, I thought, yeah, the script is the

2331
01:33:26.039 --> 01:33:27.180
least interesting thing about this.

2332
01:33:27.479 --> 01:33:32.220
Patrick Lossier has gone on to be an editor in his own writer, very

2333
01:33:32.220 --> 01:33:33.300
very respected editor.

2334
01:33:33.539 --> 01:33:38.220
In answer to Todd's question, I would snog Jeffrey Sachs because

2335
01:33:38.220 --> 01:33:39.479
he's just incredibly talented.

2336
01:33:40.199 --> 01:33:42.479
I haven't said his teeth though.

2337
01:33:43.500 --> 01:33:48.960
I would marry Matthew Jacobs because watching the um, watching the

2338
01:33:48.960 --> 01:33:51.779
documentary, the 7-year hitch, which is very good.

2339
01:33:52.800 --> 01:33:57.899
Well, it's just that of everyone and everyone's very enthusiastic

2340
01:33:57.899 --> 01:34:03.119
in the documentary, but his enthusiasm seems kind of the most pure

2341
01:34:03.119 --> 01:34:06.119
and the most lovely and he's just like, you know, they asked me to

2342
01:34:06.119 --> 01:34:09.479
write the script and I was so thrilled and I wanted to do a good

2343
01:34:09.479 --> 01:34:10.920
job and I think in the end we did.

2344
01:34:11.039 --> 01:34:13.739
It wasn't everything I wanted, but et cetera.

2345
01:34:13.800 --> 01:34:17.579
And just his his enthusiasm and his honesty really appealed to

2346
01:34:17.579 --> 01:34:17.819
me.

2347
01:34:17.880 --> 01:34:21.000
So I would be avoiding Philip Segel.

2348
01:34:21.840 --> 01:34:24.779
It's it's not a hard avoid.

2349
01:34:24.840 --> 01:34:25.800
It's a default avoid.

2350
01:34:25.859 --> 01:34:29.039
We haven't mentioned Seagull DSV, have we?

2351
01:34:29.100 --> 01:34:30.720
Or what's the other thing he did?

2352
01:34:30.779 --> 01:34:33.359
Well, that's how he wooed Alan Yentor.

2353
01:34:33.420 --> 01:34:34.560
What did he do?

2354
01:34:34.619 --> 01:34:36.539
He didn't do... did see Quest yesterday.

2355
01:34:36.659 --> 01:34:37.680
Sequest, yeah.

2356
01:34:37.739 --> 01:34:41.760
Oh my goodness. just thinking about that series.

2357
01:34:41.819 --> 01:34:44.520
But yeah, but everyone who's sort of young enough, wasn't it?

2358
01:34:44.520 --> 01:34:47.399
It was like Star Trek, but in a submarine.

2359
01:34:47.399 --> 01:34:47.939
In a submarine.

2360
01:34:47.939 --> 01:34:49.380
Oh, yeah.

2361
01:34:49.380 --> 01:34:53.760
In a scene with Trek and a whole lot of woo-woo. dolphin kissing

2362
01:34:53.760 --> 01:34:55.739
thrown in because it was that period.

2363
01:34:55.800 --> 01:34:56.220
Yeah.

2364
01:34:56.279 --> 01:34:59.579
It had some really meaningful, great ideas, but...

2365
01:34:59.579 --> 01:35:01.619
But yeah, Alan Yen...

2366
01:35:01.680 --> 01:35:04.260
Alan Yentob, then controller of BBC 2.

2367
01:35:04.560 --> 01:35:10.140
Okay, came over to America to see the new shows that the UK might

2368
01:35:10.140 --> 01:35:10.439
buy.

2369
01:35:10.500 --> 01:35:13.800
It was, I believe, Alan Yentob, who brought Star Trek, the Next

2370
01:35:13.800 --> 01:35:18.180
Generation to the UK in a popular nightly time slot.

2371
01:35:18.239 --> 01:35:25.140
But as Siegel was giving him the tour of the Sequest DSV sets.

2372
01:35:25.199 --> 01:35:28.619
He would just occasionally say, oh, I understand you're doing lots

2373
01:35:28.619 --> 01:35:29.819
of Doctor Who reruns.

2374
01:35:30.119 --> 01:35:32.340
Which would you talk about?

2375
01:35:32.340 --> 01:35:33.119
Yeah.

2376
01:35:33.180 --> 01:35:35.340
Yeah, I've been thinking about Dr. and the way Alan Yadtop

2377
01:35:35.340 --> 01:35:38.159
described it is, you know, he was pitching to me all the way

2378
01:35:38.159 --> 01:35:44.399
through the tour and but he says that is... in my eyes, people.

2379
01:35:44.460 --> 01:35:45.180
I want vomit.

2380
01:35:45.239 --> 01:35:49.260
But yeah, Ali Antorp was like, that enthusiasm. gave me the clout

2381
01:35:49.260 --> 01:35:52.439
to go back to the BBC and say, we've got someone who wants to do a

2382
01:35:52.439 --> 01:35:53.159
co-production.

2383
01:35:53.220 --> 01:35:56.100
Let's do this because Alan Yenthob had wanted to bring Doctor Who

2384
01:35:56.100 --> 01:35:57.779
back, but knew he couldn't do it in general.

2385
01:35:57.840 --> 01:36:00.960
And they needed the guns because, you know, you can't just do it

2386
01:36:00.960 --> 01:36:01.859
with frock, can you?

2387
01:36:01.920 --> 01:36:04.680
I have got another snob, Mary avoid.

2388
01:36:04.739 --> 01:36:05.159
Yes.

2389
01:36:05.279 --> 01:36:07.079
If you'd like to.

2390
01:36:07.140 --> 01:36:08.159
All right.

2391
01:36:08.220 --> 01:36:11.760
Bruce, Brian, Chang Li.

2392
01:36:11.819 --> 01:36:15.119
Oh, I'd marry Chang Li.

2393
01:36:15.180 --> 01:36:16.260
Yeah, me too. rich.

2394
01:36:17.520 --> 01:36:22.140
But also small window into...

2395
01:36:22.199 --> 01:36:24.720
I was going to say just because Year Year is lovely.

2396
01:36:24.779 --> 01:36:26.640
I'd marry, he's very sweet.

2397
01:36:26.699 --> 01:36:34.680
You know, I'd snog Bruce, obviously, because he's snacked and I'd

2398
01:36:34.680 --> 01:36:38.579
avoid Brian because he's super absent anyway as a boyfriend, isn't

2399
01:36:38.579 --> 01:36:38.699
he?

2400
01:36:38.760 --> 01:36:41.640
Yeah, well, the thing is, I would actually snonk Brian because I

2401
01:36:41.640 --> 01:36:45.479
know he's going to leave anyway, so it's fine. stay on the sofa

2402
01:36:45.479 --> 01:36:45.779
with him.

2403
01:36:45.840 --> 01:36:48.779
And we'd rather say that dating in the 90s, isn't it?

2404
01:36:48.840 --> 01:36:55.979
And yeah, I, yeah, I'd avoid Bruce because... the, you know, neck

2405
01:36:55.979 --> 01:36:56.579
cracking thing.

2406
01:36:56.640 --> 01:36:59.340
Well, I was just going to say goop is fine, but not mind control

2407
01:36:59.340 --> 01:37:00.359
goop, thank you.

2408
01:37:02.279 --> 01:37:06.779
And when I said Patrick Lossier is a respected director.

2409
01:37:06.840 --> 01:37:08.579
He did do Terminator Genesis.

2410
01:37:08.640 --> 01:37:09.899
So...

2411
01:37:09.899 --> 01:37:11.399
His cache is just gone down.

2412
01:37:11.460 --> 01:37:12.600
Actually, though, editing...

2413
01:37:12.600 --> 01:37:14.220
I did have an inflation...

2414
01:37:14.279 --> 01:37:16.859
He did the screen films, which are amazing.

2415
01:37:16.920 --> 01:37:18.060
Sorry, Richard, go on.

2416
01:37:18.180 --> 01:37:19.859
No, I was just going to say, editor, right?

2417
01:37:19.920 --> 01:37:24.539
This is there's so many nods to our favourite periods of cinema in

2418
01:37:24.539 --> 01:37:24.779
this.

2419
01:37:24.840 --> 01:37:26.819
I'm not going to feed you, Nathan.

2420
01:37:29.100 --> 01:37:33.359
In this, that, yeah, I mean, it's not...

2421
01:37:33.420 --> 01:37:35.340
There's lots of things in this I really, really like.

2422
01:37:35.399 --> 01:37:39.000
And yes, there is even my Lena Dietrich lighting on Paul in these

2423
01:37:39.000 --> 01:37:41.760
in these, you can see them on the title cards here, just the

2424
01:37:41.760 --> 01:37:44.159
moment before that when he takes his hands away from his eyes and

2425
01:37:44.159 --> 01:37:46.380
he's pure Joseph on Sternberg.

2426
01:37:46.439 --> 01:37:50.159
These boys know their cinema history and were aiming for the

2427
01:37:50.159 --> 01:37:51.180
absolute height.

2428
01:37:51.239 --> 01:37:53.279
They were trying to do the absolute best job they could.

2429
01:37:53.340 --> 01:37:57.359
Some people just aren't very good at knowing what to put in and

2430
01:37:57.359 --> 01:38:00.060
what to leave out and some of them just tried too hard, Mr

2431
01:38:00.060 --> 01:38:00.600
Siegel.

2432
01:38:00.659 --> 01:38:01.199
Yeah.

2433
01:38:01.199 --> 01:38:05.039
And your fat, fidgety little fingers that just kept pushing into

2434
01:38:05.039 --> 01:38:05.520
the dough.

2435
01:38:05.579 --> 01:38:09.119
If you're trying to make a lovely cake as this podcast, because

2436
01:38:09.119 --> 01:38:11.819
we're almost at the end, we should go back to our roots, shouldn't

2437
01:38:11.819 --> 01:38:13.020
we, as this show was trying to do.

2438
01:38:13.079 --> 01:38:15.960
If you're trying to make a lobby scone, for example, don't be

2439
01:38:15.960 --> 01:38:20.819
pummelling the dough too much, because your gluten intolerance is

2440
01:38:20.819 --> 01:38:25.859
going to go through the atmospheric scanner ceiling in it.

2441
01:38:25.979 --> 01:38:27.119
Just too many cooks.

2442
01:38:27.180 --> 01:38:28.079
Yeah.

2443
01:38:28.140 --> 01:38:30.420
I saw what you just did there.

2444
01:38:31.140 --> 01:38:34.439
I'm not using the same episode name twice.

2445
01:38:36.479 --> 01:38:40.260
It's one of our glorious Todd rant episodes, I believe.

2446
01:38:41.880 --> 01:38:44.279
We haven't had a Todd rant yet.

2447
01:38:44.340 --> 01:38:50.279
Oh, there was a pretty serious one, what, a week ago?

2448
01:38:50.460 --> 01:38:53.399
And you all enjoyed it and love me for it?

2449
01:38:53.460 --> 01:38:55.199
I'm editing all that out.

2450
01:38:55.979 --> 01:39:00.659
I'm editing that WhatsApp, but I'm going to cut myself some more

2451
01:39:00.659 --> 01:39:01.859
cake now that Richard mentioned.

2452
01:39:01.920 --> 01:39:03.060
Yeah, I was just talking about the cake.

2453
01:39:03.119 --> 01:39:03.960
Oh, who would I stock?

2454
01:39:04.020 --> 01:39:06.840
I just like to party with Bruce like it's 1996.

2455
01:39:07.739 --> 01:39:10.020
Six slash nine.

2456
01:39:10.079 --> 01:39:11.819
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2457
01:39:12.479 --> 01:39:14.520
Yeah, I agree with you.

2458
01:39:14.579 --> 01:39:16.319
At the time I was very disappointed.

2459
01:39:16.380 --> 01:39:18.300
It didn't go ahead, but it would have gone ahead on the wrong

2460
01:39:18.300 --> 01:39:18.840
premise.

2461
01:39:18.899 --> 01:39:20.220
I would have liked McGann.

2462
01:39:20.279 --> 01:39:24.239
I did keep thinking, even, even at the last shot is, oh, couldn't

2463
01:39:24.239 --> 01:39:25.619
we have just had McGam for a season?

2464
01:39:25.680 --> 01:39:27.720
So that's always been there for me.

2465
01:39:27.779 --> 01:39:30.659
And a lot of my friends who I take very seriously in fandom

2466
01:39:30.659 --> 01:39:33.239
because they also write, I'm not necessarily going to name them

2467
01:39:33.239 --> 01:39:35.939
but you know, folk that some of them listen to the podcast and

2468
01:39:35.939 --> 01:39:39.720
others don't, but and quite women as well, actually, probably

2469
01:39:39.720 --> 01:39:42.840
mostly women, now I think about it, really wanted McGain to have a

2470
01:39:42.840 --> 01:39:43.079
shot.

2471
01:39:43.079 --> 01:39:47.399
And he's the reason that this thing is still given any regard or

2472
01:39:47.399 --> 01:39:48.359
any light and love.

2473
01:39:48.420 --> 01:39:51.659
Well, obviously he's done the time of the doctor 15th anniversary

2474
01:39:51.659 --> 01:39:51.899
thing.

2475
01:39:51.960 --> 01:39:53.699
And I think he looks really good in that and does a great job.

2476
01:39:53.760 --> 01:39:55.140
And really nicely.

2477
01:39:55.199 --> 01:40:00.060
And also his dark eyes, quadro lodgy, which is now into, I think

2478
01:40:00.060 --> 01:40:00.960
it's 8th series.

2479
01:40:01.020 --> 01:40:01.979
How many?

2480
01:40:01.979 --> 01:40:03.539
Because you said it 3 times, Nathan.

2481
01:40:03.600 --> 01:40:05.159
Yeah, but he's aged very well.

2482
01:40:05.220 --> 01:40:07.739
Like, he looks very... really well too.

2483
01:40:07.800 --> 01:40:08.939
He really gets it.

2484
01:40:09.000 --> 01:40:10.560
He's just enough and not too much.

2485
01:40:10.619 --> 01:40:12.359
And Eric Roberts is the same.

2486
01:40:12.420 --> 01:40:13.979
I would have liked a lot of just them.

2487
01:40:14.039 --> 01:40:16.920
That would have been fine, but without all the shtick.

2488
01:40:16.979 --> 01:40:19.560
Just Eric Roberts playing it as he'd like to play it.

2489
01:40:19.619 --> 01:40:23.399
Well, I would have I would have nixed Derek Robinson replaced him

2490
01:40:23.399 --> 01:40:24.779
with a bunch of Tereleptils, actually.

2491
01:40:24.840 --> 01:40:27.659
Well, I mean, you know, that's always on. always, isn't it?

2492
01:40:30.720 --> 01:40:31.739
Sorry, I'm having some...

2493
01:40:31.739 --> 01:40:32.640
No, you've got a mouthful.

2494
01:40:32.699 --> 01:40:35.340
I think we're...

2495
01:40:36.600 --> 01:40:39.000
Yeah, so I think it's time to move on.

2496
01:40:39.060 --> 01:40:44.399
So we will be back next week, new listeners, for a special

2497
01:40:44.399 --> 01:40:48.060
retrospective episode on the whole damn thing, what we've done in

2498
01:40:48.060 --> 01:40:48.779
the last 3 years.

2499
01:40:48.840 --> 01:40:51.060
So do come back for that.

2500
01:40:51.119 --> 01:40:55.560
We will be just to telegraph it early, we will be taking a break

2501
01:40:55.560 --> 01:40:59.819
after that into early next year before we start the new series.

2502
01:40:59.880 --> 01:41:02.579
We um but I'll talk more about that.

2503
01:41:02.640 --> 01:41:04.199
Next episode.

2504
01:41:05.760 --> 01:41:10.079
Sorry, I will edit this because I just want to do that again

2505
01:41:10.079 --> 01:41:11.279
because it was very disjointed.

2506
01:41:11.340 --> 01:41:17.159
Um, So that's all the time we have for the telly movie, but do

2507
01:41:17.159 --> 01:41:17.520
come back.

2508
01:41:17.579 --> 01:41:19.020
Fuck, what is wrong with me?

2509
01:41:19.079 --> 01:41:21.300
Okay. think you should leave all this in.

2510
01:41:23.039 --> 01:41:27.359
Well, that's all the time we have for the telly movie, but we will

2511
01:41:27.359 --> 01:41:32.460
be back next week for one last very special episode on the whole

2512
01:41:32.460 --> 01:41:35.640
classic series on what we've done over the last 3 years.

2513
01:41:36.840 --> 01:41:38.880
All your fault, Frank.

2514
01:41:38.939 --> 01:41:39.659
I know, right?

2515
01:41:39.720 --> 01:41:42.899
After that, we will be taking a break of a couple of months before

2516
01:41:42.899 --> 01:41:47.399
we start the new series, but as previously mentioned, we will have

2517
01:41:47.399 --> 01:41:50.399
a couple of commentaries dotted here and there, the fan choice

2518
01:41:50.399 --> 01:41:54.000
commentaries that you, as our dear listeners, have chosen.

2519
01:41:54.060 --> 01:41:58.020
So we haven't forgotten those, are it's just that heading into the

2520
01:41:58.020 --> 01:42:02.220
end of the year, we have availability issues with ourselves.

2521
01:42:02.279 --> 01:42:08.699
We have Nathan going on galavanting off for months on end and well

2522
01:42:07.739 --> 01:42:08.699
deserved.

2523
01:42:09.000 --> 01:42:13.560
So, yeah, that's why those will be a bit later.

2524
01:42:13.680 --> 01:42:16.199
But in the meantime, check out our website on flight through

2525
01:42:16.199 --> 01:42:19.439
entirety.sexy, flight through entirety on Facebook and Apple

2526
01:42:19.439 --> 01:42:22.020
Podcasts and at FTE podcasts on Twitter.

2527
01:42:22.079 --> 01:42:24.060
I would like to take this opportunity.

2528
01:42:24.119 --> 01:42:27.119
You may have noticed, dear listeners, that we have moved website

2529
01:42:27.119 --> 01:42:27.960
hosts.

2530
01:42:28.020 --> 01:42:30.420
Nathan did a very good job in keeping everything looking the

2531
01:42:30.420 --> 01:42:30.720
same.

2532
01:42:30.779 --> 01:42:32.340
So it wasn't a jarring move.

2533
01:42:32.399 --> 01:42:36.000
But that means for the 1st time we have proper analytics because

2534
01:42:36.000 --> 01:42:40.920
until about 3 weeks ago, we had no concrete idea of how many

2535
01:42:40.920 --> 01:42:41.880
people were listening.

2536
01:42:41.939 --> 01:42:45.300
So, you know, generally speaking, in terms of people we interact

2537
01:42:45.300 --> 01:42:48.060
with on social media on a regular basis, you know, we kind of knew

2538
01:42:48.060 --> 01:42:51.479
definitely that we had 20 people listening a week.

2539
01:42:51.539 --> 01:42:55.859
And Nathan has been sending us figures that we've got a thousand

2540
01:42:55.859 --> 01:43:00.239
1200, 1300 individual listens or downloads.

2541
01:43:00.300 --> 01:43:02.880
And that's not just about new episodes, but people going back and

2542
01:43:02.880 --> 01:43:05.279
listening to our old episodes, and that is so immensely

2543
01:43:05.279 --> 01:43:05.819
gratifying.

2544
01:43:05.880 --> 01:43:08.880
So before I go on to the next bit of housekeeping, I just want to

2545
01:43:08.880 --> 01:43:10.680
thank everyone out there who is listening.

2546
01:43:10.739 --> 01:43:15.239
It is, it's wonderful to know that something that is a passion

2547
01:43:15.239 --> 01:43:21.420
project for the 4 of us. is being enjoyed by people and people are

2548
01:43:21.420 --> 01:43:23.640
coming back and listening to more of it.

2549
01:43:24.119 --> 01:43:28.920
So, yeah, just thank you very, very much.

2550
01:43:28.979 --> 01:43:29.939
Thank you.

2551
01:43:30.000 --> 01:43:30.720
Thank you.

2552
01:43:30.840 --> 01:43:33.239
I don't know how you managed it.

2553
01:43:34.079 --> 01:43:36.300
Over on Bondfinger.

2554
01:43:36.359 --> 01:43:38.340
We have finally returned from a long hiatus.

2555
01:43:38.399 --> 01:43:41.399
I would like to apologise because I just haven't been sending days

2556
01:43:41.399 --> 01:43:42.539
on the recordings.

2557
01:43:42.600 --> 01:43:44.579
I've just been really, really busy.

2558
01:43:44.699 --> 01:43:48.840
But we have some special bond fingers coming up in the next couple

2559
01:43:48.840 --> 01:43:52.199
of months once we finish Pierce Brosnan's era.

2560
01:43:52.380 --> 01:43:54.899
So do listen out for those.

2561
01:43:54.960 --> 01:43:58.199
So check out Bondfinger.com, Bondfinger on Facebook and Apple

2562
01:43:58.199 --> 01:44:00.479
Podcasts on Twitter.

2563
01:44:00.539 --> 01:44:04.500
Look, Bondfinger doesn't have as many listeners as Flight through

2564
01:44:04.500 --> 01:44:05.100
Entirety.

2565
01:44:05.159 --> 01:44:08.340
It is more of a...

2566
01:44:08.399 --> 01:44:09.420
Drunkenfest.

2567
01:44:09.479 --> 01:44:10.380
It's commentaries.

2568
01:44:10.439 --> 01:44:12.479
So people watch them with the film.

2569
01:44:12.539 --> 01:44:13.439
Some people watch them without.

2570
01:44:13.500 --> 01:44:16.739
But again, if you listen to both of our podcasts, thank you

2571
01:44:16.739 --> 01:44:20.100
especially, if you want to give Bondfinger a go, we've got about

2572
01:44:20.100 --> 01:44:23.159
20 up there at the moment, we've got a huge bag catalogue to look

2573
01:44:23.159 --> 01:44:25.920
through, and you can just look for your favourite Bond film.

2574
01:44:26.039 --> 01:44:26.460
Just start with mine.

2575
01:44:26.579 --> 01:44:29.039
Yeah, it's the worst.

2576
01:44:29.100 --> 01:44:31.800
Yeah, actually, I think if you want to get a taste of what

2577
01:44:31.800 --> 01:44:35.039
Bondfinger is actually like, go for Moonbreaker.

2578
01:44:35.520 --> 01:44:37.619
Take a sedative first.

2579
01:44:38.699 --> 01:44:43.619
But until next time, May, none of your special guest stars cover

2580
01:44:43.619 --> 01:44:44.579
you in goo.

2581
01:44:44.640 --> 01:44:46.199
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

2582
01:44:46.260 --> 01:44:46.560
Good night.

2583
01:44:46.619 --> 01:44:47.460
See you soon.

2584
01:44:47.520 --> 01:44:48.300
Good night.