WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 14:04:38 1 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:45.960 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast coming to you live from the planet Clom, and you won't believe how appalling the neighbours are. 2 00:00:46.020 --> 00:00:46.920 I'm Nathan. 3 00:00:46.979 --> 00:00:47.880 James. 4 00:00:47.939 --> 00:00:48.840 I'm Max. 5 00:00:48.899 --> 00:00:56.700 Mere seconds have passed since the thrilling cliffhanger to our last episode, but we're confident that everything can be resolved very quickly indeed. 6 00:00:56.820 --> 00:01:02.340 So that we can get on with discussing the next episode of series one World War III. 7 00:01:25.140 --> 00:01:28.319 What did we think of the resolution to the Cliffhanger? 8 00:01:28.379 --> 00:01:30.060 It was a bit rubbish, wasn't it? 9 00:01:30.659 --> 00:01:33.420 Is it resolved before the opening credits? 10 00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:34.560 Yeah, yeah. 11 00:01:34.620 --> 00:01:36.959 Well, he just... deadly to humans, maybe. 12 00:01:37.019 --> 00:01:48.359 And then you get the sort of the, what I do love is coming in out of the, out of the title sequence to people who have just tuned in to large aliens getting sort of electrocuted and making noise. 13 00:01:48.420 --> 00:01:51.120 That's really fun, but it is very swift. 14 00:01:51.239 --> 00:01:57.900 In fact, it has that thing that all sort of cramp alien races have, which is that they are somehow linked to one another. 15 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:00.120 So you only need to defeat one of them. 16 00:02:00.180 --> 00:02:08.460 So we talked about how there were 3 separate attacks in the cliffhanger, and they're all resolved by the doctor sticking a sort of big thing on general answer. 17 00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:09.180 What does he stick? 18 00:02:09.240 --> 00:02:12.659 Well, he sticks his ID back. 19 00:02:12.719 --> 00:02:16.080 Which has been electrified onto... 20 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:16.439 I see. 21 00:02:16.500 --> 00:02:16.919 Yeah. 22 00:02:16.979 --> 00:02:19.199 And so that works for all the civilines. 23 00:02:19.259 --> 00:02:21.419 It's like destroying the robot control. 24 00:02:21.479 --> 00:02:22.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 25 00:02:22.740 --> 00:02:23.879 Electronically. 26 00:02:23.939 --> 00:02:26.819 Not by Wi-Fi or something. 27 00:02:26.879 --> 00:02:28.319 We don't know. 28 00:02:28.379 --> 00:02:29.460 It could have been Wi-Fi? 29 00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:32.159 interstitially through space between them, yeah. 30 00:02:32.219 --> 00:02:37.259 In fact, they do actually use that properly later when sit fell fodge. 31 00:02:37.319 --> 00:02:38.280 Passimir day. 32 00:02:38.340 --> 00:02:41.460 Slovene is killed by Mickey and Jackie. 33 00:02:41.520 --> 00:02:46.500 And there's actually a little moment of acting, I think, where Joseph Green notices that. 34 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:47.219 Yeah. 35 00:02:47.280 --> 00:02:48.719 And it's actually quite well done. 36 00:02:48.780 --> 00:02:50.699 Yeah, I think his whole performance is quite good. 37 00:02:50.759 --> 00:02:57.419 I think I like the little moment because it's of, as he's prepping to go outside and make his big planet Earth is at war moment. 38 00:02:57.479 --> 00:03:04.560 And it's sort of quite believably, I bought quite believably into sort of that because we establish how closely links they all are. 39 00:03:04.620 --> 00:03:11.340 I like the fact that if one of them dies, they just get really, really sort of just, that angers them and they just go forward with it sort of really hastily. 40 00:03:11.460 --> 00:03:21.360 And it gives that character more depth and purpose in, like, the speech, Thanksgiving. has more meaning, you know, makes personal for them. 41 00:03:21.419 --> 00:03:22.080 Yeah. 42 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:25.740 Whereas before they were just, you know, killing the human race. 43 00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:31.740 As a side effect of wanting to turn the planet into fuel, not that we find that out until later in the episode. 44 00:03:31.800 --> 00:03:35.400 But now it's, well, you know, you've hurt one of our own. 45 00:03:35.460 --> 00:03:37.800 So it becomes revenge for them. 46 00:03:37.860 --> 00:03:50.520 I think it also just plausibly allows the sort of transitioning tone from the sort of giggling children that we see in episode one to someone who is making this sort of proper speech. 47 00:03:50.520 --> 00:03:58.500 And that speech, you know, thematically it might be the most important speech of the story, is so well delivered. 48 00:03:58.560 --> 00:04:08.699 Like it's, you know, proper political rhetoric that really kind of sells itself and that Murray comes in and does a beautiful job of kind of enhancing. 49 00:04:08.759 --> 00:04:11.159 So I think it allows that. 50 00:04:11.219 --> 00:04:14.699 It gives us a little moment for him to go from being silly to being serious. 51 00:04:14.759 --> 00:04:16.199 And I think it also helps. 52 00:04:16.259 --> 00:04:18.360 It helps that they're all a family. 53 00:04:18.420 --> 00:04:21.300 I like that they're not representative of their entire race. 54 00:04:21.360 --> 00:04:23.100 It's a family of creatures. 55 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:39.120 I really, I like, like that seems to be pretty, that's a sort of novel take on, and it gives a bit of depth that otherwise it would have, and I actually think their whole plot and the sort of the fake alien crap, and sort of using a hoax to distract people is quite gleefully inventive. 56 00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:41.699 I sort of really like how there's a lot of different layers to it. 57 00:04:41.759 --> 00:04:48.060 And when the doctor's sort of unravelling it, you do feel like it's sort of a deep conspiracy that makes sort of sense. 58 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:48.660 I like, yeah. 59 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:57.899 I mean, we've talked, I think, in the past about alien races being slightly problematic, like that's a sort of slightly well. 60 00:05:00.060 --> 00:05:01.500 Yeah, racist idea. 61 00:05:01.560 --> 00:05:04.199 And so it's not our species, it's our surname. 62 00:05:04.259 --> 00:05:06.300 So they're our crime family. 63 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:10.800 Yeah, sitting on its head and it's going, well, not all aliens. 64 00:05:10.860 --> 00:05:14.699 But, you know, like not all aliens have to be evil. 65 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:18.600 Not all of one race of aliens is evil. 66 00:05:18.660 --> 00:05:22.740 No, I'm sure lots of Rexacorocofalipatorians are really lovely people. 67 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:26.160 I think they've revisited that in the comics quite a lot. 68 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:32.699 And that allows you to bring their race back, but it's not their family. 69 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:34.500 They've painted them bread. 70 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:36.660 Um, in, um, what's that? 71 00:05:36.660 --> 00:05:37.560 Sarah Jane invention? 72 00:05:37.620 --> 00:05:38.040 Yeah, yeah. 73 00:05:38.100 --> 00:05:38.879 The blathering. 74 00:05:38.939 --> 00:05:39.720 Yeah. 75 00:05:39.779 --> 00:05:40.920 Simon Callow, I think. 76 00:05:40.980 --> 00:05:42.959 But still, Miriam Margoli, or something? 77 00:05:43.019 --> 00:05:44.279 Yeah, it turns out three. 78 00:05:44.339 --> 00:05:45.480 I haven't watched that for a while. 79 00:05:45.540 --> 00:05:47.220 When are we doing the Sarah Jane adventures? 80 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:48.000 Yeah we're doing it now. 81 00:05:48.420 --> 00:06:02.639 I think also that there is a tendency that we talked a little bit about when we were talking about the end of the world to try and shift Doctor Who away from just sort of very straightforward alien planets with very straightforward, you know, alien races and stuff. 82 00:06:02.759 --> 00:06:11.220 So the big 5 or whatever, the Dale excitements on Tarans, whatever, that that's not really how the show's operating anymore. 83 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:17.699 And that, again, is kind of taking it away from us and giving it to a new group of people to enjoy. 84 00:06:17.819 --> 00:06:30.480 And it's something that Stephen Moffatt does quite a lot, once he takes over the show, the, it makes Doctor Who less about these characters encountering monster of the week, and more just makes it a universe. 85 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:41.459 And that reaches a high point and say, what, series 6, like, with the good mangos to war, all that sort of stuff, which it's a trope. 86 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:50.939 It's something that Moffat does constantly, from that point on was the, let's up the anti, bringing all these monsters to come in the background. 87 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:53.040 Well, as early as the Pandora opens, actually. 88 00:06:53.100 --> 00:06:54.360 Well, yes, yes, so true. 89 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:59.819 But it's very evident in that sort of midseason cliffhanger. 90 00:06:59.879 --> 00:07:02.339 Like you say, it starts in end of the world. 91 00:07:02.399 --> 00:07:07.259 I like to think of it as the Douglas Adams of Doctor Who. 92 00:07:07.319 --> 00:07:15.480 Douglas Adams was always brilliant at huge concepts, not great at, you know, actually delivering a manuscript on time. 93 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:29.939 But, like, you believed Hitchhiker's going to the Galaxy was a universe populated by fantastic aliens, in a way which he didn't really ever expect of Doctor Who, even when he was writing it, because the scope of the show wasn't that great. 94 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:36.120 How about we bring it back to the Saline? 95 00:07:36.180 --> 00:07:38.160 How do you think that they look on screen? 96 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:45.720 Look, as a design, look, I really love them, they're identifiable instantly. 97 00:07:45.779 --> 00:07:47.519 You can't confuse them with anything else. 98 00:07:47.579 --> 00:07:51.300 They're queen, as um... 99 00:07:51.300 --> 00:07:52.560 I would have said. 100 00:07:52.620 --> 00:07:55.199 But I think Max had a point that he wants to make. 101 00:07:55.259 --> 00:08:02.220 Well, it's also, I'm not sure if I know, I don't think I did notice it at the time, but obviously in retrospect, you see the difference between the... 102 00:08:02.220 --> 00:08:04.439 The suits and then the CGI renditions of them. 103 00:08:04.500 --> 00:08:14.879 And there's quite a bad shot of Billy Piper and Penelope running through the corridor and they've clearly just been pursued by sort of, I know people with stinks or something. tennis ball. 104 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:24.899 And it doesn't quite, it doesn't quite, and they get, again, they get better at at superimposing like CGI creatures into shots, and it's quite cloying. 105 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:27.839 And I think you can obviously, like, I'm sure even then you could tell. 106 00:08:27.899 --> 00:08:28.740 Yeah. 107 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:31.259 Do you know, I have a massive soft spot for that shot. 108 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:43.259 And the reason is, I think that there was a very early trailer or something, which actually showed it, and it was kind of like, oh my god, there are going to be CG monsters in this show. 109 00:08:43.379 --> 00:08:50.639 You know, those sort of run quite effectively, but they don't at all match the way that the costumes move. 110 00:08:50.700 --> 00:08:53.759 And I think it's telling that they never appear again. 111 00:08:53.820 --> 00:08:59.639 Like we never see CG Slavene in Boomtown or in Sarah Jane Adventures. 112 00:08:59.700 --> 00:09:01.500 We only have the costumes. 113 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:04.559 I think there's a problem with how the costumes are shot. 114 00:09:04.620 --> 00:09:08.700 Like, then, yeah, it's I think they get better at it by Boomtown. 115 00:09:08.759 --> 00:09:12.360 Yeah, and also it might be when there's just a whole room full of them. 116 00:09:12.419 --> 00:09:17.340 I don't know, they look they look silly, but I mean, they kind of work looking silly. 117 00:09:17.399 --> 00:09:18.419 It not like you're meant to take them. 118 00:09:18.419 --> 00:09:23.820 Yeah, grave series. you know, like it doesn't necessarily throw you off completely, but it does, yeah. 119 00:09:23.879 --> 00:09:29.759 I think it might be a fault of the, because I think the, I think the costumes are quite effective, but I think it's, I think I think you're right. 120 00:09:29.820 --> 00:09:31.259 I think it's the presentation in the direction. 121 00:09:31.320 --> 00:09:33.600 They're not filmed to their strength. 122 00:09:33.659 --> 00:09:34.500 Yeah, yeah. 123 00:09:34.559 --> 00:09:40.980 I think it's maybe one of the 1st days in the recording block that they use the costumes. 124 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:44.519 Like, and I think maybe one of the very earlier scenes is that scene. 125 00:09:44.580 --> 00:09:55.259 There's a scene in an office where Penelope and Billy are hiding from the Sabine, and I think it's Margaret initially, but another Sabine comes in as well. 126 00:09:55.320 --> 00:09:57.779 And they're kind of shot. 127 00:09:57.840 --> 00:10:00.600 Like I don't know why they are, where they are in the frame. 128 00:10:00.659 --> 00:10:03.000 They're shot from like waist down. 129 00:10:03.539 --> 00:10:05.100 Were they shot from a long distance away? 130 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:08.220 Yeah, but also like there's lots of butt shots as well. 131 00:10:08.340 --> 00:10:13.139 Like they're sort of lamp shading their whole, Oh, they fart a lot. 132 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:17.039 Well, I just think that, I mean, you know, Keith Boke doesn't come back. 133 00:10:17.039 --> 00:10:23.399 And I think there's probably a reason for that beyond just the kind of conflict between him and Chris. 134 00:10:23.460 --> 00:10:24.720 I don't think he's all that good. 135 00:10:24.779 --> 00:10:37.980 Although he's not universally bad, and there were certainly some great scenes like in last week's episode that we even talked about, but this scene, he has no idea how to shoot these giant rubber costumes. 136 00:10:38.039 --> 00:10:40.320 No, and it makes the whole scene a little ridiculous. 137 00:10:40.379 --> 00:10:46.200 And you sort of still buy the threat from the strength of performances of Billy and Penelope. 138 00:10:46.259 --> 00:10:49.500 Yeah, they're quite, and Penelope's so good at being under threat. 139 00:10:49.559 --> 00:10:56.159 Yeah, she's so, and like we talked about last week when she's in the cupboard and she gives the whole scene genuine, like a sense of horror. 140 00:10:56.279 --> 00:10:59.879 And she does that so well here as well that it's still an effective scene. 141 00:10:59.940 --> 00:11:04.139 It just, it means that the whole scenes with them being menacing. 142 00:11:04.200 --> 00:11:05.700 They don't work as menacing creatures. 143 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:08.639 No, they just look like people in suits at that point. 144 00:11:08.700 --> 00:11:09.720 But I think they could. 145 00:11:09.779 --> 00:11:10.559 You know what I mean? 146 00:11:10.620 --> 00:11:11.759 They had been with effect. 147 00:11:11.820 --> 00:11:12.419 Yeah, yeah. 148 00:11:12.419 --> 00:11:14.519 More effective with less bum shots. 149 00:11:19.139 --> 00:11:32.580 So one of the Sabine obviously starts to foreground herself during the course of this and they get Margaret out of the costume so that she can just act as herself and then we've got her kind of sidekicks and stuff. 150 00:11:32.639 --> 00:11:35.100 How do we feel she does? 151 00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:39.779 Look, I love Annette Badland and everything I've ever seen her in. 152 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:46.980 I think, uh, did we talk about that last week with just how brilliant an actress she is. 153 00:11:47.100 --> 00:11:58.139 And it's evident that Russell really loves writing for her because the relish that she has when she's delivering those lines and we'll see it again. 154 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:01.200 Well, I don't think I'm on that podcast. 155 00:12:01.259 --> 00:12:05.399 The podcast will see that again in Boomtown. 156 00:12:05.460 --> 00:12:08.100 She's a really quite impressive actress. 157 00:12:08.159 --> 00:12:12.659 I think she gets like she gets the job of kind of representing them. 158 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:13.860 There's a sort of standoff. 159 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:21.419 I love the scene with the scene at the threshold of the door. when she's decostumed and she and she's just herself. 160 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:24.480 This scene is fantastically direct. 161 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:30.360 Well, just the, the, the, the interplay between her and Chris with the, and then that scene with what you trapped in your box. 162 00:12:30.419 --> 00:12:36.600 And she's just, and then, but her face that goes from total Instagram, like she's, she's convinced she's winning. 163 00:12:36.659 --> 00:12:38.159 They've got it in the bag. 164 00:12:38.220 --> 00:12:45.059 And then just how seriously, like, the doctor is just sort of, it's a fantastic scene for the doctor where it's just, yeah, me. 165 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:46.320 And then he closes the door. 166 00:12:46.379 --> 00:12:55.259 And then, and then when you see her face just slightly falter, like she goes from being totally inscrutable to, oh, no, like he could, he could. 167 00:12:55.320 --> 00:12:59.879 There's that little, there's that slight, you can see it in her performance and it's just, it's fantastic. 168 00:12:59.940 --> 00:13:10.080 She she gets some moments of comedy as well because when she's welcoming all of the Slavene back into number 10 and she's taking their coats like she's taking their costumes. 169 00:13:10.139 --> 00:13:14.159 And I think sort of one of them farts and she goes, oh, that's the spirit, you know? 170 00:13:14.220 --> 00:13:16.379 She's not taking their coats. 171 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:18.539 She's taking their skin. 172 00:13:19.200 --> 00:13:25.200 It's just like the absurdity of that, it's like, she's taking their coats. 173 00:13:25.320 --> 00:13:27.360 Yeah, yeah, they're people's bodies. 174 00:13:27.419 --> 00:13:33.240 But she's even hanging them over a coat hanger and sort of putting them in a closet and stuff. is really sort of wonderfully great. 175 00:13:33.299 --> 00:13:39.120 And the corresponding scene with Andrew Barr outside wondering what it is that all of these random people have in common. 176 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:42.120 Like what they're doing here is unclear at this time. 177 00:13:42.659 --> 00:13:44.279 What was it? 178 00:13:44.279 --> 00:13:46.559 Who's the representative for Fisheries Commission? 179 00:13:46.620 --> 00:13:53.879 Yeah, they're all just sort of nobodies from sort of various government positions, but they all have one mysterious thing in Coleman. 180 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:58.559 I feel like another writer might have put the Slovene in positions of power. 181 00:13:58.620 --> 00:14:06.960 So it was sort of a more, you know, you would, an argument could be made that it was a more plausible sequence where like these sort of chief political figures come in. 182 00:14:07.019 --> 00:14:09.000 But that just sort of robs it of all the fun. 183 00:14:09.059 --> 00:14:11.879 The fact that they're all just obscure people that they've been. 184 00:14:11.940 --> 00:14:14.639 It's kind of like they've got as close to power as they possibly can. 185 00:14:14.700 --> 00:14:17.700 Yeah, but they've landed at the fisheries consultant. 186 00:14:17.759 --> 00:14:19.919 Yeah, that's that still works. 187 00:14:19.980 --> 00:14:20.519 That's fine. 188 00:14:20.580 --> 00:14:21.600 I think that's strange. 189 00:14:21.659 --> 00:14:25.259 It's implying that overweight people can't achieve high office. 190 00:14:25.320 --> 00:14:29.700 No, but like I think that he does have problems with fat people. 191 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:32.159 I think the adipost is another thing. 192 00:14:32.220 --> 00:14:39.179 I think that the guy from Clom in Love and Monsters, again, you know, like a big sort of fat guy monster. 193 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:41.519 And, you know, Russell's a big man. 194 00:14:41.580 --> 00:14:47.879 And you know, a gay man in a community that has all these kind of body image issues. 195 00:14:47.940 --> 00:14:52.799 So I do think that he is sometimes a bit cruel about fat people. 196 00:14:52.919 --> 00:15:00.600 Even in Boomtown, where Rose looks down her nose on the person that Mickey's been going out with on the grounds that she's a bit fat. 197 00:15:00.659 --> 00:15:04.799 Like, there is a little bit of that in Russell's writing. 198 00:15:04.799 --> 00:15:18.240 And also in queer as folk, there's a scene about them refusing an extra slice of cake because they learn about the impact of fatness on their kind of, I don't know, sexual impressiveness or something. 199 00:15:18.299 --> 00:15:21.179 So it is a theme in Russell's writing. 200 00:15:21.240 --> 00:15:27.899 But like we said last week, there was that idea that the chubby kids could get to be the villains in the playground. 201 00:15:28.019 --> 00:15:30.840 But they couldn't be the heroes, only the villain. 202 00:15:39.899 --> 00:15:45.059 One of the criticisms of this episode is that the main character spends so much time locked in a single room. 203 00:15:45.179 --> 00:15:54.899 I like the Doctor Who stories where they're sort of, and I understand it from a writing point of view as well when you've got, it's just easier to have them locked in a space to work it out. 204 00:15:54.960 --> 00:16:00.779 It's kind of the based on to see you've taken to the Mth degree. 205 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:24.779 I also think it gives the story time. at its sort of climax when all sorts of things are going on to be a bit character focussed because we have the mobile phone and we have it sort of hooked up to the sort of speaker phone on the cabinet office desk, the one presumably that opens up and fills the room with poison gas in a later episode. 206 00:16:24.899 --> 00:16:27.299 Well, no, because they rebuilt it. 207 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:28.200 Okay, fair enough. 208 00:16:28.440 --> 00:16:37.559 So we have Jackie and the doctor talking about whether Rose is going to be safe and about that sort of course of action. 209 00:16:37.620 --> 00:16:42.539 And we talked a little bit about the kind of family plot last week. 210 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:51.779 So here I think it sort of becomes a little bit more explicit, that critique that you were talking about, James, of the doctor's life. 211 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:55.919 I see why they did it. in the new series. 212 00:16:55.980 --> 00:16:57.840 They kind of belabour it a bit. 213 00:16:57.899 --> 00:17:02.820 I think, too, that it does answer what we saw last week. 214 00:17:02.879 --> 00:17:07.680 You know how he sort of suspected that the doctor might be having too much fun and that becomes a thing. 215 00:17:07.740 --> 00:17:10.680 And, you know, you think this is fun, you think this is clever. 216 00:17:10.740 --> 00:17:14.220 And Chris does get the opportunity to answer that back. 217 00:17:14.279 --> 00:17:15.359 Yeah. 218 00:17:15.420 --> 00:17:21.359 And I love how that's beautiful that he doesn't answer her until later he doesn't have an answer to that. 219 00:17:21.420 --> 00:17:26.460 And the way it circles back around when they're settling on what they have to do. 220 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:28.619 Yeah, is really lovely, I think. 221 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:31.440 And even you even get it with Harriet. 222 00:17:31.500 --> 00:17:34.380 I love that you're a very violent young woman. 223 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:35.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 224 00:17:35.700 --> 00:17:50.579 In fact, she makes the joke about another fat joke, by the way, about wishing that she had a sort of compression field so that she could fit into a smaller sized dress and Harriet tells her off and then, you know, when she contemplates using nukes, Harriet tells her off. 225 00:17:50.640 --> 00:17:54.599 So there is this whole idea that the doctor sort of relishes violence and danger. 226 00:17:54.720 --> 00:17:59.339 But then Harry is the one that ends up saying, well, we're going to do this. 227 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:00.059 Yeah. 228 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:04.259 Well, but because the doctor says that no, it's not all about sort of fun and violence. 229 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:10.740 It is about taking a stand and doing the right thing and, you know, saving people's lives. 230 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:12.599 He's not just doing it for kicks. 231 00:18:12.660 --> 00:18:14.700 He's doing it in order to do good. 232 00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:16.559 And I think that that's really good. 233 00:18:16.619 --> 00:18:24.779 And I also think I like the chance that Mickey gives Jackie the chance to intervene and stop him from endangering Rose. 234 00:18:24.839 --> 00:18:27.839 That's a really lovely beat for his character as well. 235 00:18:27.900 --> 00:18:32.700 Yeah, I think I think I really like Noel Clark in these 2 episodes. 236 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:41.640 I think he's, I always think sometimes the writing is a little bit less, like, like, you clearly Jackie has the really defined character. 237 00:18:41.700 --> 00:18:47.519 And Mickey can sometimes be a bit looser with how he's characterised, particularly among other writers as well. 238 00:18:47.579 --> 00:18:56.940 I think it's because he's written as a joke character to start with. and before they got such a good actor, Noel Clark is an amazing actor. 239 00:18:57.000 --> 00:19:06.000 You see, in the film work that he's done since the films that he's written, and directed since, like, he's a bloody good actor. 240 00:19:06.059 --> 00:19:10.500 Um, And that character is written as a joke. 241 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:38.700 And then when they realise this guy can act, that's when he starts getting more depth and, you know, like, I mean, series 2, Yeah, but I think, you know, he's got a really clear redemption arc here where he's sort of rather pathetic, you know, inability to even contemplate going with a doctor at the end of Rose, like he's the dead weight that's keeping Rose tied and, you know, that nearly makes her decide not to go with a doctor. 242 00:19:38.700 --> 00:19:46.559 And then he kind of steps up and is brave and competent and does the right thing. 243 00:19:46.680 --> 00:19:49.500 And you know, the doctor stops calling him Ricky as well. 244 00:19:49.559 --> 00:19:51.299 You know, as he does that. 245 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:54.299 Like the doctor's got quite a lot of contempt for him. 246 00:19:54.359 --> 00:20:04.380 But he's the one who realises that publicly crashing a spaceship into Big Ben is a strange thing to do if your plan is to take over the world. 247 00:20:04.440 --> 00:20:12.779 He's the one who's smart enough to realise that he's the one who manages to, you know, send the missile that kind of wipes the Sabina Buffalo. 248 00:20:12.839 --> 00:20:13.079 Yeah. 249 00:20:13.079 --> 00:20:13.799 Yeah. 250 00:20:13.859 --> 00:20:14.940 I mean, he's super brave. 251 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:17.279 He's super brave and smart, even in this story. 252 00:20:17.339 --> 00:20:21.359 So, you know, and I always hop on big finish pickers. 253 00:20:21.420 --> 00:20:22.500 I love big fish. 254 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:22.859 Hello? 255 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:24.779 Is there a buffalo boxing? 256 00:20:25.140 --> 00:20:26.640 Almost. 257 00:20:26.700 --> 00:20:30.960 So, um, big finish retcon Buffalo is the doctor's password. 258 00:20:31.619 --> 00:20:37.440 In a 6 doctor audio from a couple of years ago, Vampire of the Mind. 259 00:20:39.359 --> 00:20:43.200 So that's been his password for a good 300 years. 260 00:20:43.619 --> 00:20:49.619 So they're not very serious sort of password complexity requirements in the unit system. 261 00:20:49.680 --> 00:20:52.859 Well, he must have got that back in the 80s, surely. 262 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:53.880 I love that. 263 00:20:53.940 --> 00:20:56.039 I love when... 264 00:20:56.039 --> 00:20:57.539 It might actually be the AV. 265 00:20:57.599 --> 00:21:08.099 I'm not sure who writes the AV club review of this two-parter, but I think it's someone who does a whole suite of them, but calls Mickey sort of hacking to save the world very 2005. 266 00:21:08.279 --> 00:21:10.619 Or yeah, or maybe that is Santa Fe. 267 00:21:10.680 --> 00:21:14.880 I can't remember, but, um, I think it's kind of, it's charming. 268 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:20.220 Like, it's kind of like very any sort of just typing, typing away keys and that like 2 fingers. 269 00:21:20.220 --> 00:21:20.940 Two fingers. 270 00:21:20.940 --> 00:21:25.500 And it happens a bit in school reunion. there's a lot of that as well. 271 00:21:25.559 --> 00:21:31.440 But it's, yeah, it works from a character point of view, which is sort of what is important about it. 272 00:21:31.500 --> 00:21:34.019 It doesn't really matter that it's sort of a crap kind of... 273 00:21:34.380 --> 00:21:42.420 I think there's an attempt not to have the sort of resolution be too complex and to have it something that Mickey can do. 274 00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:43.319 Yeah, of course. 275 00:21:43.380 --> 00:21:43.920 Yeah, yeah. 276 00:21:43.980 --> 00:21:45.539 Because he is an idiot. 277 00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:47.339 Yeah, well, not anymore. 278 00:21:57.839 --> 00:22:00.599 So, let's talk about Harriet Jones. 279 00:22:00.720 --> 00:22:06.299 I think everyone, she's a sort of adored character within those 1st few years of Doctor Who. 280 00:22:06.359 --> 00:22:09.180 But I love, particularly in a story that is quite political. 281 00:22:09.240 --> 00:22:21.900 There's a character that's meant to embody what politician should be or an aspirational MP that stands up, even when there's aliens and farting aliens and the end of the world is sort of looming in front of her. 282 00:22:21.960 --> 00:22:23.819 She's just standing up for her constituents. 283 00:22:24.000 --> 00:22:34.079 Yeah, you know, and I think it's, um, it's a really lovely, like it's, it's obviously like simplistic, but I think it's, it's particularly placed in, in quite a politically minded story. 284 00:22:34.140 --> 00:22:37.500 I think it's a very clear indication of what Russell's trying to say. 285 00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:40.140 I think I think she plays that brilliantly. 286 00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:52.920 Yeah, like the wanting to talk about cottage hospitals and the um, the acting prime minister's uh, line, oh, for God's sake, woman, get some perspective. 287 00:22:52.980 --> 00:22:54.960 And it's like busy. 288 00:22:55.019 --> 00:22:55.380 Yeah. 289 00:22:55.500 --> 00:23:03.119 And, and, you know, just in that scene, you've got a microcosm of what politicians are, what politicians should represent. 290 00:23:03.180 --> 00:23:15.240 And the look on her face of being crushed when she's, you know, she's standing up for what she believes in in this this cynical, horrible person, just, you know, destroys her. 291 00:23:15.299 --> 00:23:21.960 She has like as an actor, she's got just an enormous amount of sort of personal charm. 292 00:23:22.019 --> 00:23:25.980 She's just so sweet and so incredibly lovely. 293 00:23:26.039 --> 00:23:31.019 And she's sort of properly brave and properly sensible. 294 00:23:31.079 --> 00:23:34.859 Like, she does seem like a bit of an ingenue at the beginning. 295 00:23:34.920 --> 00:23:42.839 You know, she's naive and it's bizarre that she expects to have a conversation about cottage hospitals on the day that aliens land. 296 00:23:42.900 --> 00:23:47.099 But she kind of stands up and takes control at the end. 297 00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:50.039 And I love how instantly the doctor warms to it. 298 00:23:50.099 --> 00:23:57.180 Like, it's literally within 5 seconds of properly, properly meeting her that he's already saying, I really like. 299 00:23:57.299 --> 00:23:58.980 Yeah, yeah. 300 00:23:58.980 --> 00:24:00.180 You're very good at this. 301 00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:00.660 Yeah. 302 00:24:01.799 --> 00:24:04.440 And I think, yeah, she just has such a, yeah, you're right. 303 00:24:04.500 --> 00:24:06.900 There's such a personal charm to her performance. 304 00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:08.819 And I think it works really. 305 00:24:08.819 --> 00:24:15.420 And I'm so like, I think obviously after seeing the strength of her performance, they thought, well, we've got to bring her back. 306 00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:16.680 And obviously it's not... 307 00:24:16.859 --> 00:24:30.779 I'm sure it'll be covered when she next appears, her arc into what she becomes as a prime minister is probably more representative of that Russell sort of cynicism that someone like that can eventually be corrupted. 308 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:33.420 Well, she, I mean, she has that idealism. 309 00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:47.039 And, and, you know, Russell very definitely in this story kills Tony Blair and replaces him with someone who isn't, you know, cynical, someone who has a faith in humanity. 310 00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:50.640 Who voted against the, I voted against that, by the way. 311 00:24:50.700 --> 00:25:04.980 Yeah. and her fall from grace later. is also sort of, Yeah, I mean, I think that's one of the great tragedies and we'll talk about this definitely when we get to the Christmas invasion of any character in the new series. 312 00:25:05.279 --> 00:25:12.480 I think she is most poorly treated, apart from, say, Donna, obviously, because it was like that suited the story. 313 00:25:12.539 --> 00:25:15.119 It suited the story that she would make that decision. 314 00:25:15.180 --> 00:25:16.559 She had to protect the world. 315 00:25:16.619 --> 00:25:19.500 And she's slightly ridiculous. 316 00:25:19.500 --> 00:25:22.799 Yeah, and that's horrible as well. 317 00:25:22.859 --> 00:25:24.960 She should have pre routine without being killed. 318 00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:27.960 Just because I love her so much. 319 00:25:28.019 --> 00:25:29.880 Although apparently she survives. 320 00:25:29.940 --> 00:25:33.119 Did you say that little in the poetry illustration? 321 00:25:33.180 --> 00:25:36.420 There's a sequence where she... 322 00:25:37.500 --> 00:25:40.259 And escaped on a motorbike? 323 00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:45.539 Yeah, as soon as the Daleks are about to exterminator, a trap door of fire ramps off on a scooter. 324 00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:47.700 Oh, brilliant. makes me much happier. 325 00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:59.759 So we talk about political cynicism and that's really what this entire story is aimed at because this story is a political satire in a way that Doctor Who hasn't quite done before, I don't think. 326 00:25:59.819 --> 00:26:19.500 So this is, of course, about 911 and about the, um, the response of the British and American government to that and about the, um, the lead up to the war in Iraq. 327 00:26:20.279 --> 00:26:23.160 I'm probably the only one who remembers 911. 328 00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:24.359 Do you remember 911, James? 329 00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:28.440 I was born there, were you? 330 00:26:28.500 --> 00:26:29.460 I was born. 331 00:26:29.519 --> 00:26:31.259 Yeah, I was born. 332 00:26:31.380 --> 00:26:33.660 I was 20. 333 00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:34.619 Oh, okay. 334 00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:35.099 All right. 335 00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:35.460 Yeah. 336 00:26:35.460 --> 00:26:36.180 Yeah. 337 00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:37.619 Oh, you are old. 338 00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:39.000 You're right. 339 00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:41.460 Not as old as you are. 340 00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:42.839 No, no, no. one's as old as me. 341 00:26:42.900 --> 00:26:47.579 Yeah, no, so it was like, 911 was 8 days before my 21st birthday. 342 00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:48.660 Oh, wow, okay. 343 00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:54.960 So, you know, it's very definitely evoking those images in the 1st episode. 344 00:26:55.019 --> 00:26:55.980 Yeah, of course, yeah. 345 00:26:56.039 --> 00:27:01.200 I think it's, it's sort of, I mean, obviously, flew over my head, no pun intended. 346 00:27:01.259 --> 00:27:04.859 But, but, of course, like, is it an 8 year old's not going to pick up? 347 00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:05.460 Yeah, yeah. 348 00:27:05.519 --> 00:27:12.599 But I think, yeah, it's obviously a deliberate, having a sort of unidentified flying object slice through a major landmark. 349 00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:21.900 And then sort of, it's quite a bold set piece, but it sets up the ensuing story and it states pretty early on what it's going to be concerned with. yeah. 350 00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:24.480 And so you get that world-to-all media coverage that we got. 351 00:27:24.539 --> 00:27:35.160 You get a city that's sort of in lockdown, you get everyone sort of panicking, and it seems like this sort of huge seismic change in kind of the whole world order is sort of about to happen. 352 00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:46.859 But there is, um, you know, the idea that that's a ruse that 911 is really there to put us all on alert. 353 00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:52.920 Like, you know, I don't think that there's any sort of weirdo sort of 911 conspiracy truther stuff behind it. 354 00:27:52.980 --> 00:28:03.359 But that event put those governments on kind of high alert and we started to get the sort of paranoia around Muslims at airports and stuff like that. 355 00:28:03.420 --> 00:28:14.940 And the governments use that sort of anti-Muslim fear as a way of justifying the invasion of Iraq. 356 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:23.339 You know, even though that link isn't explicitly made, and sort of people know that Iraq has nothing to do with 9-11. 357 00:28:23.579 --> 00:28:28.559 I mean, the Middle East has always been, you know, one... 358 00:28:28.619 --> 00:28:33.420 No, no, but there's always been a sort of genuine problem, a sort of post-colonial problem. 359 00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:36.720 The Middle East has always been kind of volatile and things. 360 00:28:36.779 --> 00:28:42.299 But because we don't know that much about it on the whole, and we sort of tend to lump it all together. 361 00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:49.019 The Iraq thing and 911 seemed related, I think, in the public's mind. 362 00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:55.740 And so it was much easier to convince the public that Iraq posed a threat. 363 00:28:55.799 --> 00:29:04.500 And so what you get is you get that incredible scene where Joseph Green goes out and says, we've detected massive weapons of destruction. 364 00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:07.079 And it's the September dossier, isn't it? 365 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:34.440 So from like in September 2002, the British government puts out a document, which says that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction, chemical and biological weapons that it's working on reactivating its nuclear program, and that Britain could be under threat, like they could deploy these weapons within 45 minutes, and not 45 seconds, which is what Joseph Green says. 366 00:29:34.500 --> 00:29:38.279 And in fact, there was talk about sexing up that dossier. 367 00:29:38.339 --> 00:29:42.599 The dossier had been sexed up to make it seem a little bit more urgent and threatening. 368 00:29:42.660 --> 00:29:50.099 And there had been a line, I think, in the original script of this episode, about sexing up the document that had to be card. 369 00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:53.039 Oh, that would be... 370 00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:55.680 I wish, like, did they not film it? 371 00:29:55.740 --> 00:29:57.059 I wish they'd filmed it. 372 00:29:57.119 --> 00:30:00.240 I want that as a cut scene. 373 00:30:00.299 --> 00:30:02.880 Oh, it needs bits of sexy up there. 374 00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:14.160 No, and even that, even the, I mean, of course, because the Slovene fake an alien crash in order to make their demands and what they need to happen more plausible. 375 00:30:14.220 --> 00:30:18.960 So the whole, the whole structure of their strategy to get what they want. 376 00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:22.859 It evokes the sort of fear mumbering. really. 377 00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:30.599 And it's, and I think that's, that's, I think, what makes the story particularly, uh, particularly what feels particularly urgent and relevant. 378 00:30:30.660 --> 00:30:31.799 Yeah, yeah. 379 00:30:31.859 --> 00:30:33.839 Again, the UN involvement. 380 00:30:33.900 --> 00:30:34.799 Do you know what I mean? 381 00:30:34.859 --> 00:30:37.619 The September dossier was intended to convince the UN. 382 00:30:37.740 --> 00:30:44.940 Well, the thing is, at the time, the British wouldn't have needed the UN to unlock their nuclear code. 383 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:46.619 No, no, no, that's all that's all made up. 384 00:30:46.859 --> 00:30:50.460 But I think it was News Night. 385 00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:52.259 The BBC late news. 386 00:30:52.380 --> 00:30:54.839 Like kind of like our late line. 387 00:30:54.900 --> 00:30:58.680 They discovered, I think it was in 2007. 388 00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:06.599 They uncovered that the British nuclear weapons were locked down by a set of bike keys. 389 00:31:06.660 --> 00:31:08.819 So like that's how they were operated. 390 00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:14.039 They just had some bike lock keys to activate their nuclear weapons. 391 00:31:14.099 --> 00:31:20.940 They didn't need any sort of permission to do it, and the way they were controlled was literally by turning to the bike. 392 00:31:21.059 --> 00:31:27.059 But they did want the UN to kind of give blessing to the American and British action in Iraq. 393 00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:30.359 So that's kind of turned into that's turned into that. 394 00:31:30.420 --> 00:31:58.380 And what I really like and why I think it's important that the Slovene fart is that the important lesson we need to learn from this is that our politicians, or the Blair government, at least, were just a bunch of fat flatulent aliens who were concerned about fuelling every cut price cargo ship, you know, that the whole thing was, in fact, about fuel, which is what we suspected. 395 00:31:58.440 --> 00:32:03.180 I remember in 2003, attending protests about the Iraq war. 396 00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:11.880 And, you know, Hans Blix was there in Iraq, hadn't found anything yet, but the American and the British government, obviously didn't want him to find nothing. 397 00:32:11.940 --> 00:32:15.420 They wanted the story that he was a real threat. 398 00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:21.900 And we were all kind of suspecting that it was about oil, which it always is in the Middle East. 399 00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:28.079 And so that's the story that Russell's telling, the Slovene are here to get fuel. 400 00:32:28.140 --> 00:32:33.240 The whole thing is to allow nuclear weapons to be dropped so that they can sell the planet off as fuel. 401 00:32:33.299 --> 00:32:36.480 I don't think I've heard that reading before. 402 00:32:36.539 --> 00:32:50.400 I mean, like, you know, I'm familiar with the reading of the nuclear weapons, the the weapons of mass destruction link, but the whole the whole story is is actually a parody of the Iraq or not just that scene. 403 00:32:50.460 --> 00:32:51.180 Yeah. 404 00:32:51.180 --> 00:32:51.839 Yeah. 405 00:32:51.900 --> 00:32:55.980 So, and I think that, you know, they get Margaret Slovine to make that point. 406 00:32:56.039 --> 00:33:09.599 And when she talks about what the fuel is going to be used for, it sounds like she's about to say everyone's car, but she says cut price cargo ship, and it just seems like, you know, she sends out an ad. 407 00:33:09.660 --> 00:33:12.599 It becomes really kind of sorted and commercial. 408 00:33:12.660 --> 00:33:14.579 So it's not a strategic thing at all. 409 00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:16.380 It is just about making a profit. 410 00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:26.279 And particularly there's that newsreader in the dawn of the day after that's supposed after the UN are sort of deciding and deliberating. 411 00:33:26.339 --> 00:33:38.400 It says, like, yesterday saw the start of a brave new world, today might see it end, which is the fantastics of Doomey proclamation, but it was like, it's, that sort of distils it into like one little sound bite. 412 00:33:38.460 --> 00:33:39.420 It's really good. 413 00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:40.920 He's terrific, isn't he? 414 00:33:40.980 --> 00:33:41.880 I don't know his name. 415 00:33:41.940 --> 00:33:43.140 He's a real guy though, I think. 416 00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:44.880 Yeah, I think he's another one of his actor. 417 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:46.259 Oh, he's an actor. 418 00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:47.099 Oh, that's a shame. 419 00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:48.359 I thought real people. 420 00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:49.259 Yeah. 421 00:33:49.259 --> 00:33:51.000 Jack Tarleton? 422 00:33:51.059 --> 00:33:55.799 But no, I thought he was a real news reporter as well, but he's an actrian. 423 00:33:55.859 --> 00:33:58.019 Sorry, I'm telling Richard. 424 00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:02.940 It is, um, he does a very good job and that is a very good scene. 425 00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:08.519 And, you know, I enjoy how much of this story is mediated. through television broadcast. 426 00:34:08.579 --> 00:34:10.260 Well, even the doctor sitting down. 427 00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:13.619 Like, they can't get closer, so they have to go back and just watch it on telly. 428 00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:17.760 Yeah, there's so there's so much or when they watch it on telly inside the TARDIS. 429 00:34:17.820 --> 00:34:18.360 Yeah. 430 00:34:18.420 --> 00:34:22.739 There's just a lot of just like, oh, we can't get any really closer, so that's just let's just watch it. 431 00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:37.860 Well, in fact, the speech, like Joseph Green's speech is relayed to the doctor who's trapped in the cabinet room by Mickey on his mobile phone, holding the mobile phone to the TV. when he takes the photo of the of the slippine. 432 00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:38.519 Yeah, yeah. 433 00:34:38.579 --> 00:34:40.440 And and uses it. 434 00:34:40.500 --> 00:34:42.900 Even that even felt like rewatching that. 435 00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:50.340 I thought, oh, that's, that was like 13 years ago, but there was still like sort of like phone cameras, like that, that sort of like a terrible phone. 436 00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:56.400 Yes, because because the iPhone didn't get out, get released until about 18 months later. 437 00:34:56.460 --> 00:34:57.960 Yeah, 2007, I think. 438 00:34:58.019 --> 00:35:06.119 It was, yeah, but it surprised me how so much of that sort of groundwork had been laid in the 1st contemporary two-part story. 439 00:35:06.179 --> 00:35:19.980 Like, and then it's sort of come, like, if you look at something like this igon invasion, which is sort of, probably a nice comparison, given that they're both obviously political and obviously concerned with a political allegory. 440 00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:20.280 Yeah. 441 00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:27.000 And but seeing now, then, like, sort of 11 years later, how instrumental, like, just phone cameras are in that story. 442 00:35:27.059 --> 00:35:32.099 Evil Clara is just going around taking videos of things and upload. 443 00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:37.800 You know, like it's just, but it's nice to see how 11 years that Doctor Who doing a contemporary polluting thriller can change. 444 00:35:37.860 --> 00:35:41.519 I actually think, too, that that's probably the closest parallel, isn't it? 445 00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:45.360 I mean, I mean, that zygon is probably less, like, it's less fun. 446 00:35:45.420 --> 00:35:46.800 Like, it's less Jove. 447 00:35:46.860 --> 00:35:47.880 It takes itself a bit more seriously. 448 00:35:47.940 --> 00:35:49.500 Although it is still funny. 449 00:35:49.619 --> 00:35:54.480 Like it's clearly like it's well written and it's not like sort of doomy. 450 00:35:54.539 --> 00:35:57.599 But they are quite, they're Doctor Who doing sort of a similar. 451 00:35:57.659 --> 00:35:58.679 It's like coming from the same. 452 00:35:58.800 --> 00:35:59.519 Yeah. 453 00:35:59.579 --> 00:36:02.760 And having a sort of something that's got a real sort of global scale. 454 00:36:02.820 --> 00:36:09.780 Yeah, and a particularly recent political event and that's clearly signed, but like you have the Zygon hostage videos. 455 00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:10.380 Yeah. 456 00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:12.179 And then, yeah, it was pretty. 457 00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:17.579 I remember when that I remember because I was probably more aware of the politics of that one when that was broadcast. 458 00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:20.579 In fact, I think that's maybe a bit more telling. 459 00:36:20.579 --> 00:36:22.019 I think it's a bit more and like it's fair. 460 00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:26.760 Yeah, and I think it probably it's signposting it even more loudly, I think, in that one. 461 00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:36.539 Let's talk about the final scene, because we're heading towards the end. 462 00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:49.139 We do actually get the whole thing resolved quite early and we have sort of something like 5 minutes or maybe even more at the end, which is all just about, you know, Jackie, Mickey, Rose and the doctor. 463 00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:51.900 That's, actually, I lied before. 464 00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:53.760 That's probably my favourite scene in the episode. 465 00:36:53.820 --> 00:36:59.400 That final, I love the, I can't get over the, I rewatching it. 466 00:36:59.460 --> 00:37:00.239 I'd forgotten the joke. 467 00:37:00.300 --> 00:37:02.099 Oh, what is it? 468 00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:03.599 Mum's cooking dinner. 469 00:37:03.659 --> 00:37:04.380 Yeah, yeah. 470 00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:08.219 Mum's cooking and it's kind of like, oh, yeah, put on a low heat and lettuce. 471 00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:09.239 It's just fantastic. 472 00:37:09.300 --> 00:37:12.599 Or her speculation that the doctor eats grass or safety pins. 473 00:37:13.500 --> 00:37:36.840 See, my favourite part of the episode is actually the scene where the doctor's trying to convince Rose to keep travelling with him and it's, look, I think it's a really conscious reference. where you say, oh, you know, I could show you a plasma storm in the horse head nebula. 474 00:37:36.900 --> 00:37:38.639 We call it the Florana speech. 475 00:37:38.699 --> 00:37:39.239 Yeah. 476 00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:47.280 And which is why I love it so much because, um, spoiler alert invasion that has dinosaurs is one of my favourite doctor stories of all time. 477 00:37:47.340 --> 00:37:48.960 I know, the puppets are crap. 478 00:37:49.019 --> 00:37:52.019 But it's just such an enjoyable story. 479 00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:59.099 And that last scene, I think, is one of my favourite scenes in the classic series, Doctor Who. 480 00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:03.000 Do we talk about it because it ends with Sarah putting her hand. no, no, no. 481 00:38:03.059 --> 00:38:06.840 And because of that, it's like, it's one of the most beautiful places in the universe. 482 00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:12.599 And she's like, no, doctor. as she's covering her ears and shaking her head. 483 00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:14.400 And that's what we go out on. 484 00:38:14.460 --> 00:38:16.380 We don't go out on her being persuaded. 485 00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:19.019 We just know that her resistance is going to be overcome. 486 00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:25.380 It's wonderful Yeah, it just sort of crashes into the titles and it's just like, oh, that's just it's gorgeous. 487 00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:38.639 And, and, and it really sells like Sarah Jane as, as being this believable real character in a way that, you know, you don't see for, for a while after that. 488 00:38:38.699 --> 00:38:42.480 But because of her reaction to trying to be persuaded. 489 00:38:42.659 --> 00:38:46.679 I think the doctor's actually a bit of a... 490 00:38:46.739 --> 00:38:48.179 Yeah, I'm a dick here. 491 00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:51.239 I always wanted him to go to dinner with... 492 00:38:51.300 --> 00:38:54.599 I was I still was overcome with frustration that he doesn't. 493 00:38:54.780 --> 00:38:55.920 There's no, I don't do that. 494 00:38:55.980 --> 00:38:58.260 And he manipulates her as well. 495 00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:04.800 It's kind of like, well, you can have your family, but, but there's the, like, yeah, but I do something. 496 00:39:04.860 --> 00:39:05.639 Yeah, more exciting. 497 00:39:05.699 --> 00:39:12.239 And I just think, which is why I think ultimately when David Tennant goes to Christmas dinner with them and a Christmas invasion, it's such a. 498 00:39:12.300 --> 00:39:14.760 That's a long, slow boil thing. 499 00:39:14.820 --> 00:39:16.380 Yeah, that's a deliberate thing. 500 00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:21.360 It's being set up here, so that when you get there, you're like, well, very satisfied. 501 00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:23.340 Like, you feel like that's a significant change. 502 00:39:23.340 --> 00:39:28.500 The doctor now feels like he can, he's accepted in a family. 503 00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:30.239 Yeah, he has a family deal with him. 504 00:39:30.300 --> 00:39:35.039 Yeah, and it sells the fact that this doctor is damaged. 505 00:39:35.099 --> 00:39:46.380 Like his, you know, not that we've touched on this in the plot of the story in a big way yet, but the fact that he's newly regenerated out the time or blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 506 00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:47.400 So all coming to a head next week. 507 00:39:47.460 --> 00:39:54.900 And and that's, you know, like it's, it's not just that he's a bastard for being a bastard's sake. 508 00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:56.639 He's damaged. 509 00:39:56.699 --> 00:40:00.300 He's been alone, he's lost himself. 510 00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:02.340 I mean, I like it. 511 00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:17.219 It's a more kind of, I mean, it's not, you know, it's not exactly Shakespeare, but it is more sophisticated in its depiction of the doctor allowing him to be selfish and manipulative and a bit unlikeable. 512 00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:19.860 Like, I think that kind of works. 513 00:40:19.980 --> 00:40:33.840 I mean, Camille just pulls it every heartstring, like that the, and particularly when she comes in with the 2 cups of tea and she's packing and she's, and she seems excited by the prospect that, oh, I can be involved in this now. 514 00:40:33.900 --> 00:40:36.059 I sort of, I sort of know what's happening now. 515 00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:42.300 We can do dinner and we can talk about it and we can, and that she knows that she's not going to get that yet. 516 00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:44.400 And she says, don't go, sweetheart. 517 00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:46.380 Like, I'm sort of crying now. 518 00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:48.539 But it's just such a, because you don't really get that. 519 00:40:48.599 --> 00:40:49.679 I know. 520 00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:52.860 I mean, I love Russell Davis doing companions' mums. 521 00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:54.360 I think that's fantastic. 522 00:40:54.420 --> 00:40:56.940 But I think she's so Camille is so good. 523 00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:01.980 And I think she's given so much more time as obviously she has the 2 seasons. 524 00:41:02.219 --> 00:41:05.099 Don't get Nathan started on Camille. 525 00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:07.320 She's there, I agree with you. 526 00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:15.179 Aside from Love of Monsters, which I think is probably her shining moment, I think this is just such a, it's a downbeat ending, that that fine. 527 00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:17.579 Yeah, that 10 seconds. 528 00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:21.179 I know that you're keen to talk about is just maybe one of the best endings. 529 00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:24.059 It is great, isn't it? 530 00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:30.599 And because, like, you remember watching it at the time and not knowing how Rose's story ends. 531 00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:31.380 Of course, yeah. 532 00:41:31.380 --> 00:41:43.019 And there's this fear that she'll come to some harm, which is what Jackie's been expressing all through the episode and she reassures Jackie that, no, it's a time machine. 533 00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:44.820 I can be back in 10 seconds. 534 00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:49.019 She gets on board the title and says, see you in 10 seconds and then doesn't come back. 535 00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:58.739 And her mother's looking at her watch and counting down the seconds after they've gone and then she turns away crestfallen and walks away. 536 00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:02.940 But then you also see Mickey just, he goes back to his seat and he just stays there. 537 00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:07.199 Yeah, he just sits and waits and he says nothing, but it's just fantastic. 538 00:42:07.260 --> 00:42:11.159 It's such a great little waiter in the episode It's so fresh. 539 00:42:11.219 --> 00:42:12.780 It's so fresh for Doctor Who. 540 00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:15.420 He's never done this. in this way. 541 00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:18.360 Yeah, we were talking last week about the unit family. 542 00:42:18.420 --> 00:42:18.840 Yeah. 543 00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:20.400 What's that last week or was it this week? 544 00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:21.659 Every week. 545 00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:22.860 We're talking last week. 546 00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:36.119 We were talking last week about, you know, this being the sort of modern take on the unit family by giving him an actual family to interact with and grounding that in the present day in reality in a way that unit never quite did. 547 00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:39.480 Yeah, well, I mean, domestic reality. 548 00:42:39.539 --> 00:42:41.340 And, you know, there is that. 549 00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:52.199 I think it's fun that the doctor, maybe like some of his fans are resisting Doctor Who being sucked into the kind of domestic realm, but in fact, it really elevates. 550 00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:52.500 Yeah. 551 00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:56.400 Well, they have really bad PTSD memories of dimensions in time. 552 00:42:56.460 --> 00:42:57.780 Can you blame them? 553 00:42:57.900 --> 00:43:14.880 It's also, it's also when, I think it's when Doctor Who's at its best whenever it's, like, I think, when it grounds itself really well in, in season 4 a little bit as well, and then, and then in season eight, there's quite a bit of, or certainly Stephen Moffatt's most deliberate attempt to do it. 554 00:43:14.940 --> 00:43:18.239 Yeah, um, and perhaps in the upcoming season as well. 555 00:43:18.300 --> 00:43:25.559 Like I, I, I think it's, because, because it gives you the light and shade of the whole, it, it makes when they go over to these fantastical places. 556 00:43:25.619 --> 00:43:37.139 It makes them feel special and it, I think it elevates everything around it when it's, when it's so focussed on, on a particular impact that this is happening or a family or. 557 00:43:37.139 --> 00:43:48.840 I think right from the very beginning of Aliens of London, where we see that this is going to be a story about the impact of travelling with the doctor on your family. 558 00:43:48.900 --> 00:43:49.739 Yeah. 559 00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:52.800 And it's something that has never ever probably been done before. 560 00:43:52.860 --> 00:43:54.840 None of them ever had families. 561 00:43:54.900 --> 00:43:55.739 No, that's right. 562 00:43:55.800 --> 00:44:02.400 I mean so many orphans. or Perry just running off in a batting her stepfather. 563 00:44:02.460 --> 00:44:04.619 They deal with that in Big Finish as well. 564 00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:05.460 Of course they do. 565 00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:09.179 He gets accused of murdering her or something. 566 00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:12.239 Is Rose the 1st companion we meet with their parents? 567 00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:14.219 We meet Leila's father. 568 00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:16.139 Oh, yes, yeah, of course. 569 00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:18.059 Of course. his name? 570 00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:18.960 I can't remember. 571 00:44:19.019 --> 00:44:21.900 Her mother, her mother was Leila's mother. 572 00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:23.519 I don't think her mother actually got a name. 573 00:44:23.579 --> 00:44:26.460 Yeah, but certainly we get Leila's father. 574 00:44:26.519 --> 00:44:29.460 I don't think we really get anyone else. 575 00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:31.079 Dodo's an orphan. 576 00:44:31.139 --> 00:44:32.699 Sarah's an orphan. 577 00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:34.380 Tegan becomes Tegan. 578 00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:35.820 We meet Tegan's auntie. 579 00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:36.300 Susan? 580 00:44:36.300 --> 00:44:37.679 We meet her family. 581 00:44:37.739 --> 00:44:39.599 I suppose so. 582 00:44:39.659 --> 00:44:45.659 So this is new, but it's the kind of thing that Doctor Who has to do now that it comes back in the 21st century. 583 00:44:45.659 --> 00:44:48.179 And it's such an interesting thing to do. 584 00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:49.619 I think it works really well. 585 00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:54.360 And one of the things that I feel sort of sad about during part of the moffity, right? 586 00:44:54.420 --> 00:44:55.739 is just missing that. 587 00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:55.980 Yeah. 588 00:44:55.980 --> 00:45:01.980 I have said before that I always think it's a bit sad when the doctor and his companion have no friends. 589 00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:12.900 You know, one of the things about the Colin Baker era is that, you know, apart from Asmail, or maybe Professor Arthur Stengos, who's dead, the doctor doesn't know anyone or have any friends. 590 00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:18.900 And I think that the show works better with a larger regular car. 591 00:45:19.019 --> 00:45:24.480 And I just think Kamil Kajuri is absolutely superb and the best thing ever to happen to Doctor Who. 592 00:45:24.539 --> 00:45:25.920 Yeah. 593 00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:28.199 Big Finish brings her back whenever they can. 594 00:45:28.260 --> 00:45:28.980 Brilliant. 595 00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:47.400 All right, we haven't done this for a while and it's something that we used to do at the end of every series, but we didn't used to spend 13 or so episodes discussing a single series. 596 00:45:47.460 --> 00:45:52.380 So we're going to bring it back in every part 2 of every story. 597 00:45:52.500 --> 00:45:54.659 It's going to make season 9 interesting. 598 00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:56.760 Very repetitive. 599 00:45:56.820 --> 00:45:58.440 It's pics of the week. 600 00:45:58.500 --> 00:45:59.519 Who wants to go first? 601 00:45:59.579 --> 00:46:01.139 I'll go first. 602 00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:09.360 My pick of the week is a very English scandal, which is a three-part TV miniseries written by Russell T. Davis. 603 00:46:09.420 --> 00:46:12.420 It stars Hugh Grant and Ben Wishaw. 604 00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:13.380 It's fantastic. 605 00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:14.400 It's really really special. 606 00:46:14.460 --> 00:46:15.539 When's it set? 607 00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:18.599 It's set in London, 1965. 608 00:46:18.900 --> 00:46:19.739 No, that was terrible. 609 00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:21.059 That was terrible. 610 00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:24.239 Ian says it at the end of the chase. 611 00:46:24.300 --> 00:46:26.519 So it was in the 1st doctor's little clip. 612 00:46:26.579 --> 00:46:27.780 Was that in the trailer? 613 00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:28.980 in the trailer that they showed? 614 00:46:28.980 --> 00:46:29.760 trailer for Twitch. 615 00:46:29.820 --> 00:46:31.019 Yeah, okay, right. 616 00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:32.880 1965. 617 00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:46.019 And it's the retelling of the true scandal surrounding Jeremy Thorpe and his terrible hit, he calls out on his ex gay lover. 618 00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:52.139 And it's both the one of the funniest things I've ever seen and one of the most tragic things I've ever seen. 619 00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:55.079 And Hugh Grant is just, I mean, Ben Wisher was always fantastic. 620 00:46:55.139 --> 00:46:59.280 But Hugh Grant's sort of a bit of a revelation in how good. 621 00:46:59.340 --> 00:47:02.400 He's also amazing in Paddington too, which I'll drop in there as well. 622 00:47:03.539 --> 00:47:08.880 Which has every known British guest artist like just pops up for a bit. 623 00:47:08.940 --> 00:47:09.840 Piticol is in it. 624 00:47:09.900 --> 00:47:13.980 But sorry, a very English scandal is is, I'm not sure where you can see it in Australia. 625 00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:18.119 I'm just sort of, by now, by the time this comes out, I'll be out on DVD. 626 00:47:18.179 --> 00:47:23.280 It's either been on ABC or... definitely, definitely seek it out. 627 00:47:23.340 --> 00:47:24.599 Yeah, I loved it. 628 00:47:24.659 --> 00:47:25.440 I thought it was really great. 629 00:47:25.500 --> 00:47:26.159 Amazing. 630 00:47:26.219 --> 00:47:27.000 Very rustly. 631 00:47:27.059 --> 00:47:27.840 Very Russell. 632 00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:28.199 Yeah. 633 00:47:28.260 --> 00:47:31.559 So mine's a bit more predictable, if you know me. 634 00:47:31.619 --> 00:47:33.780 It's a big finish. 635 00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:35.519 It'll probably always be a big finish. 636 00:47:35.579 --> 00:47:48.659 It's the ninth Dr. Chronicles, which is Big Finisher's attempt to set something in the ninth doctor here without being able to get Eccleston back. 637 00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:56.760 Um, so it's a, it's a narrated, part acted, what do we call them enhanced audiobooks? 638 00:47:56.820 --> 00:47:59.159 Well, it's like what they did with the companion chronicles and stuff. 639 00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:01.559 Yeah, it's okay, it's the kind of doctors. 640 00:48:01.619 --> 00:48:04.139 Yeah, it's basically like the companion chronicles. 641 00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:10.679 It's got Nick Briggs narrating and doing most of the voices, including a bit of a ropey. 642 00:48:10.739 --> 00:48:12.539 Northern accent. 643 00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:16.739 But it does feature Bruno Langley. 644 00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:17.519 Oh, wow. 645 00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:25.860 Returning as Adam Mitchell in an unseen adventure from series one and brings back Camille fantastically in another episode. 646 00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:28.440 And it's just so enjoyable. 647 00:48:28.500 --> 00:48:40.679 And like, you can tell that, like, you know, that era is held in such high regard, by them, and they do it proud, even with the ropey, um, the ropey Eccleston impression, I really enjoyed it. 648 00:48:40.860 --> 00:48:48.360 Okay, well, mine is, uh, since we've had this hiatus from flight through entirety, and we haven't really been recording very regularly. 649 00:48:48.420 --> 00:48:51.000 I've discovered television, just like. 650 00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:58.320 Yeah, no, no, it's a thing that apparently Barbara and Ian discovered in the 1st episode of Doctor Who, according to the doctor. 651 00:48:58.380 --> 00:48:59.699 And it's amazing. 652 00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:04.559 And I'm going to recommend a TV show that has nothing really at all to do with Doctor Who. 653 00:49:04.619 --> 00:49:14.519 It does have a sort of weird, slightly science fiction-y sensibility, and that's the good place, which is a sitcom, and I can't tell you very much about it. 654 00:49:14.579 --> 00:49:20.820 It's an American network sitcom, but the basic premise is that a young woman, a sort of rather horrible young woman has died. 655 00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:33.239 She's found herself in the afterlife and realises fairly quickly that she has been sent to heaven by mistake and should have been sent somewhere else instead to the bad place. 656 00:49:33.300 --> 00:49:37.260 And so she has to hide that this sort of administrative era has happened. 657 00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:44.760 And it's um, Kristen Bell and Ted Dans and um, sitcom royalty Ted Dans. don't think he's ever been better. 658 00:49:44.820 --> 00:49:52.920 You'll see, he's in the 1st 4 minutes. the funniest, those that cold open for the show is just such amazing. 659 00:49:52.980 --> 00:49:54.360 It's wonderful, isn't it? 660 00:49:54.420 --> 00:49:59.760 And it's, it sort of does have a kind of science fiction sensibility in that it creates a weird world. 661 00:49:59.820 --> 00:50:09.480 And it's so gleefully inventive and in how it takes you down little rabbit holes that you don't you never you never have a handle on what the show's going to be. 662 00:50:09.539 --> 00:50:11.460 It's the narrative collapse show. 663 00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:16.679 Like heaps of times an episode will end. and it won't be how we're going to get out of this. 664 00:50:16.739 --> 00:50:22.139 It's going to be how can we keep on telling stories in this show at all? 665 00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:25.199 Yeah, this universe has just been completely turned on his head. 666 00:50:25.260 --> 00:50:32.519 It's also, I think you've made this point, and probably the AV club has made this point and everything. 667 00:50:32.579 --> 00:50:34.500 My husband has probably made this point. 668 00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:39.360 It's that it made something funny out of philosophy. 669 00:50:39.420 --> 00:50:39.960 Yeah. 670 00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:49.139 You know, it took all these quite high philosophical concepts and used them as the basis for a primetime comedies kind of impressive. 671 00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:50.760 It's really special. 672 00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:52.800 And it's come back for a 3rd season, really. 673 00:50:52.860 --> 00:50:53.099 Yep. 674 00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:26.280 Well, they listen up, we've just seen the next time trailer, and looks like we'll be spending next week running around terrified of a brass pepper pot armed with a sink plunger. 675 00:51:26.340 --> 00:51:29.159 So do join us next week for Dalek. 676 00:51:29.219 --> 00:51:37.380 In the meantime, you can find us at flightthroughentirety.com, flight through entirety on Facebook and Apple Podcasts and at FT podcast on Twitter. 677 00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:39.539 Where can people find you, Max? 678 00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:41.639 At max underscore Gelbart? 679 00:51:41.699 --> 00:51:43.199 Excellent. on Twitter. 680 00:51:43.260 --> 00:51:43.739 Okay. 681 00:51:43.860 --> 00:51:54.420 Over on Bondfinger, we're nearing the end or perhaps have reached the end or may well and truly be past the end of the series of Bond films, so you can find a range of commentaries there. 682 00:51:54.480 --> 00:52:00.119 That's bondfinger.com, bondfinger on Facebook and Apple podcast. and at Bondfingercast on Twitter. 683 00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:07.800 Until next time, may none of your government dossier is advocating war against another country, be sexed up for public consumption. 684 00:52:07.860 --> 00:52:09.539 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 685 00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:10.619 Good night. 686 00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:11.159 Good night. 687 00:52:14.219 --> 00:52:19.380 That was Flight Through Entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, Max Gel Barton, James Selwood. 688 00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:23.099 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, Strings performance by Jane Orberg. 689 00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:31.440 This episode, less bum shots, was recorded on the 8th of July 2018, and released during my wedding on the 23rd of September. 690 00:52:34.500 --> 00:52:45.599 This episode is dedicated to husband of the podcast Calvin Yeo, who's been surprisingly patient with my Doctor Who obsession over the past 16.5 years, but who will never, ever listen to this podcast. 691 00:52:48.659 --> 00:52:52.139 We still have Peaks of the Wii. 692 00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:52.679 Oh, yeah. 693 00:52:53.039 --> 00:52:56.099 Well, if you want to do... 694 00:52:56.099 --> 00:52:58.980 Something else to... 695 00:52:58.980 --> 00:52:59.159 Yeah. 696 00:52:59.219 --> 00:53:01.559 So I've got a point here. 697 00:53:01.619 --> 00:53:05.340 The sort of thing are basically doing what the dominators wanted to do. 698 00:53:05.460 --> 00:53:07.019 Oh. 699 00:53:07.019 --> 00:53:09.900 So, because we could drop that in. 700 00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:11.880 But I think that's that important. 701 00:53:11.940 --> 00:53:14.099 Um, It's terrible. 702 00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:16.980 But do the microphone thing because this could be. 703 00:53:17.099 --> 00:53:17.579 Okay, yeah. 704 00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:24.420 Well, I haven't seen, I haven't seen it, but I was watching it, um, one of the, what, people have sort of re-uploaded all the featurestes onto YouTube. 705 00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:25.019 Right. 706 00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:27.179 And so I was watching a Doctor Who does politics. 707 00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:28.199 I think it was a feat. 708 00:53:28.260 --> 00:53:30.659 I can't remember which classic release they put it on. 709 00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:35.039 But it's a it's a 45 documentary about politics in Doctor Who. 710 00:53:35.099 --> 00:53:35.760 It's really good. 711 00:53:35.820 --> 00:53:37.380 I think it's done by Nicholas Pegg. 712 00:53:37.500 --> 00:53:37.860 Okay. 713 00:53:37.860 --> 00:53:43.260 But it talks about how the Dominators is the most transparently right wing Dr. King story that there is. 714 00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:45.239 I think the arc is pretty transparently. 715 00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:45.900 That's true. 716 00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:46.380 That's true. 717 00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:55.679 But very counter revolution. you know, like sort of a bit turning the nose down at, you know, hippies and, well, yeah, an anti-Vietnam war protest. horrible. 718 00:53:55.739 --> 00:54:09.780 But it was, it was talking about, um, Aliens of London, World War III, and then the Christmas invasion that sort of, that sort of brings the Falklands, wore into it with Harriet's decision. 719 00:54:09.900 --> 00:54:12.960 Yeah, to attack them as they're retreating. 720 00:54:13.019 --> 00:54:22.139 But there's, yeah, so there's, and I think there's, I know if, I don't know if Russell T. Davis here is, is, is viewed much as being particularly political. 721 00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:29.820 I think people complain about or people my age tend to complain about the Capolio of being the most like too political. 722 00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:32.219 But I actually think I actually think there's no... 723 00:54:32.340 --> 00:54:45.119 I think Matt Smith's era is pretty apolitical, but I think this is a clear effort in Russell T. Davis era and then, and then the latest even offered to do, to engage a bit more with the current, current political... 724 00:54:45.179 --> 00:54:52.320 I think we said it before, I think that, you know, like, if you're not, like, apolitical art is just art in support of the status quo. 725 00:54:52.380 --> 00:54:53.159 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 726 00:54:53.219 --> 00:54:56.099 I think that's all good tag stuff actually. 727 00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:01.860 Let's talk about the final scene.