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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety

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the only Doctor Who podcast coming to you live from the planet

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Clom, and you won't believe how appalling the neighbours are.

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I'm Nathan.

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James.

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I'm Max.

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Mere seconds have passed since the thrilling cliffhanger to our

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last episode, but we're confident that everything can be resolved

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very quickly indeed.

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So that we can get on with discussing the next episode of series

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one World War III.

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What did we think of the resolution to the Cliffhanger?

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It was a bit rubbish, wasn't it?

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Is it resolved before the opening credits?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, he just... deadly to humans, maybe.

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And then you get the sort of the, what I do love is coming in out

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of the, out of the title sequence to people who have just tuned in

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to large aliens getting sort of electrocuted and making noise.

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That's really fun, but it is very swift.

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In fact, it has that thing that all sort of cramp alien races have

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which is that they are somehow linked to one another.

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So you only need to defeat one of them.

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So we talked about how there were 3 separate attacks in the

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cliffhanger, and they're all resolved by the doctor sticking a

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sort of big thing on general answer.

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What does he stick?

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Well, he sticks his ID back.

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Which has been electrified onto...

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I see.

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Yeah.

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And so that works for all the civilines.

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It's like destroying the robot control.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Electronically.

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Not by Wi-Fi or something.

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We don't know.

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It could have been Wi-Fi?

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interstitially through space between them, yeah.

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In fact, they do actually use that properly later when sit fell

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fodge.

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Passimir day.

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Slovene is killed by Mickey and Jackie.

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And there's actually a little moment of acting, I think, where

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Joseph Green notices that.

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And it's actually quite well done.

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Yeah, I think his whole performance is quite good.

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I think I like the little moment because it's of, as he's prepping

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to go outside and make his big planet Earth is at war moment.

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And it's sort of quite believably, I bought quite believably into

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sort of that because we establish how closely links they all are.

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I like the fact that if one of them dies, they just get really

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really sort of just, that angers them and they just go forward

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with it sort of really hastily.

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And it gives that character more depth and purpose in, like, the

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speech, Thanksgiving. has more meaning, you know, makes personal

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for them.

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Yeah.

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Whereas before they were just, you know, killing the human race.

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As a side effect of wanting to turn the planet into fuel, not that

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we find that out until later in the episode.

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But now it's, well, you know, you've hurt one of our own.

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So it becomes revenge for them.

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I think it also just plausibly allows the sort of transitioning

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tone from the sort of giggling children that we see in episode one

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to someone who is making this sort of proper speech.

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And that speech, you know, thematically it might be the most

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important speech of the story, is so well delivered.

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Like it's, you know, proper political rhetoric that really kind of

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sells itself and that Murray comes in and does a beautiful job of

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kind of enhancing.

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So I think it allows that.

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It gives us a little moment for him to go from being silly to

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being serious.

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And I think it also helps.

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It helps that they're all a family.

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I like that they're not representative of their entire race.

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It's a family of creatures.

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I really, I like, like that seems to be pretty, that's a sort of

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novel take on, and it gives a bit of depth that otherwise it would

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have, and I actually think their whole plot and the sort of the

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fake alien crap, and sort of using a hoax to distract people is

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quite gleefully inventive.

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I sort of really like how there's a lot of different layers to

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it.

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And when the doctor's sort of unravelling it, you do feel like

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it's sort of a deep conspiracy that makes sort of sense.

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I like, yeah.

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I mean, we've talked, I think, in the past about alien races being

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slightly problematic, like that's a sort of slightly well.

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Yeah, racist idea.

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And so it's not our species, it's our surname.

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So they're our crime family.

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Yeah, sitting on its head and it's going, well, not all aliens.

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But, you know, like not all aliens have to be evil.

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Not all of one race of aliens is evil.

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No, I'm sure lots of Rexacorocofalipatorians are really lovely

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people.

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I think they've revisited that in the comics quite a lot.

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And that allows you to bring their race back, but it's not their

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family.

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They've painted them bread.

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Um, in, um, what's that?

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Sarah Jane invention?

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Yeah, yeah.

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The blathering.

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Simon Callow, I think.

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But still, Miriam Margoli, or something?

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Yeah, it turns out three.

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I haven't watched that for a while.

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When are we doing the Sarah Jane adventures?

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Yeah we're doing it now.

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I think also that there is a tendency that we talked a little bit

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about when we were talking about the end of the world to try and

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shift Doctor Who away from just sort of very straightforward alien

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planets with very straightforward, you know, alien races and

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stuff.

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So the big 5 or whatever, the Dale excitements on Tarans, whatever

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that that's not really how the show's operating anymore.

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And that, again, is kind of taking it away from us and giving it

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to a new group of people to enjoy.

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And it's something that Stephen Moffatt does quite a lot, once he

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takes over the show, the, it makes Doctor Who less about these

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characters encountering monster of the week, and more just makes

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it a universe.

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And that reaches a high point and say, what, series 6, like, with

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the good mangos to war, all that sort of stuff, which it's a

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trope.

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It's something that Moffat does constantly, from that point on was

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the, let's up the anti, bringing all these monsters to come in the

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background.

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Well, as early as the Pandora opens, actually.

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Well, yes, yes, so true.

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But it's very evident in that sort of midseason cliffhanger.

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Like you say, it starts in end of the world.

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I like to think of it as the Douglas Adams of Doctor Who.

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Douglas Adams was always brilliant at huge concepts, not great at

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you know, actually delivering a manuscript on time.

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But, like, you believed Hitchhiker's going to the Galaxy was a

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universe populated by fantastic aliens, in a way which he didn't

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really ever expect of Doctor Who, even when he was writing it

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because the scope of the show wasn't that great.

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How about we bring it back to the Saline?

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How do you think that they look on screen?

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Look, as a design, look, I really love them, they're identifiable

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instantly.

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You can't confuse them with anything else.

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They're queen, as um...

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I would have said.

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But I think Max had a point that he wants to make.

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Well, it's also, I'm not sure if I know, I don't think I did

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notice it at the time, but obviously in retrospect, you see the

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difference between the...

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The suits and then the CGI renditions of them.

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And there's quite a bad shot of Billy Piper and Penelope running

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through the corridor and they've clearly just been pursued by sort

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of, I know people with stinks or something. tennis ball.

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And it doesn't quite, it doesn't quite, and they get, again, they

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get better at at superimposing like CGI creatures into shots, and

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it's quite cloying.

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And I think you can obviously, like, I'm sure even then you could

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tell.

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Do you know, I have a massive soft spot for that shot.

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And the reason is, I think that there was a very early trailer or

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something, which actually showed it, and it was kind of like, oh

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my god, there are going to be CG monsters in this show.

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You know, those sort of run quite effectively, but they don't at

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all match the way that the costumes move.

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And I think it's telling that they never appear again.

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Like we never see CG Slavene in Boomtown or in Sarah Jane

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Adventures.

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We only have the costumes.

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I think there's a problem with how the costumes are shot.

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Like, then, yeah, it's I think they get better at it by Boomtown.

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Yeah, and also it might be when there's just a whole room full of

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them.

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I don't know, they look they look silly, but I mean, they kind of

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work looking silly.

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It not like you're meant to take them.

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Yeah, grave series. you know, like it doesn't necessarily throw

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you off completely, but it does, yeah.

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I think it might be a fault of the, because I think the, I think

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the costumes are quite effective, but I think it's, I think I

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think you're right.

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I think it's the presentation in the direction.

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They're not filmed to their strength.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I think it's maybe one of the 1st days in the recording block that

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they use the costumes.

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Like, and I think maybe one of the very earlier scenes is that

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scene.

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There's a scene in an office where Penelope and Billy are hiding

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from the Sabine, and I think it's Margaret initially, but another

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Sabine comes in as well.

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And they're kind of shot.

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Like I don't know why they are, where they are in the frame.

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They're shot from like waist down.

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Were they shot from a long distance away?

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Yeah, but also like there's lots of butt shots as well.

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Like they're sort of lamp shading their whole, Oh, they fart a

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lot.

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Well, I just think that, I mean, you know, Keith Boke doesn't come

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back.

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And I think there's probably a reason for that beyond just the

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kind of conflict between him and Chris.

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I don't think he's all that good.

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Although he's not universally bad, and there were certainly some

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great scenes like in last week's episode that we even talked about

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but this scene, he has no idea how to shoot these giant rubber

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costumes.

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No, and it makes the whole scene a little ridiculous.

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And you sort of still buy the threat from the strength of

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performances of Billy and Penelope.

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Yeah, they're quite, and Penelope's so good at being under

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threat.

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Yeah, she's so, and like we talked about last week when she's in

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the cupboard and she gives the whole scene genuine, like a sense

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of horror.

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And she does that so well here as well that it's still an

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effective scene.

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It just, it means that the whole scenes with them being menacing.

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They don't work as menacing creatures.

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No, they just look like people in suits at that point.

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But I think they could.

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You know what I mean?

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They had been with effect.

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Yeah, yeah.

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More effective with less bum shots.

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So one of the Sabine obviously starts to foreground herself during

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the course of this and they get Margaret out of the costume so

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that she can just act as herself and then we've got her kind of

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sidekicks and stuff.

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How do we feel she does?

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Look, I love Annette Badland and everything I've ever seen her

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in.

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I think, uh, did we talk about that last week with just how

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brilliant an actress she is.

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And it's evident that Russell really loves writing for her because

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the relish that she has when she's delivering those lines and

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we'll see it again.

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Well, I don't think I'm on that podcast.

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The podcast will see that again in Boomtown.

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She's a really quite impressive actress.

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I think she gets like she gets the job of kind of representing

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them.

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There's a sort of standoff.

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I love the scene with the scene at the threshold of the door. when

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she's decostumed and she and she's just herself.

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This scene is fantastically direct.

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Well, just the, the, the, the interplay between her and Chris with

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the, and then that scene with what you trapped in your box.

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And she's just, and then, but her face that goes from total

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Instagram, like she's, she's convinced she's winning.

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They've got it in the bag.

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And then just how seriously, like, the doctor is just sort of, it's

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a fantastic scene for the doctor where it's just, yeah, me.

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And then he closes the door.

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And then, and then when you see her face just slightly falter, like

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she goes from being totally inscrutable to, oh, no, like he could

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he could.

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There's that little, there's that slight, you can see it in her

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performance and it's just, it's fantastic.

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She she gets some moments of comedy as well because when she's

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welcoming all of the Slavene back into number 10 and she's taking

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their coats like she's taking their costumes.

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And I think sort of one of them farts and she goes, oh, that's the

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spirit, you know?

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She's not taking their coats.

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She's taking their skin.

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It's just like the absurdity of that, it's like, she's taking

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their coats.

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Yeah, yeah, they're people's bodies.

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But she's even hanging them over a coat hanger and sort of putting

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them in a closet and stuff. is really sort of wonderfully great.

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And the corresponding scene with Andrew Barr outside wondering

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what it is that all of these random people have in common.

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Like what they're doing here is unclear at this time.

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What was it?

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Who's the representative for Fisheries Commission?

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Yeah, they're all just sort of nobodies from sort of various

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government positions, but they all have one mysterious thing in

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Coleman.

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I feel like another writer might have put the Slovene in positions

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of power.

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So it was sort of a more, you know, you would, an argument could

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be made that it was a more plausible sequence where like these

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sort of chief political figures come in.

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But that just sort of robs it of all the fun.

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The fact that they're all just obscure people that they've been.

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It's kind of like they've got as close to power as they possibly

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can.

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Yeah, but they've landed at the fisheries consultant.

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Yeah, that's that still works.

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That's fine.

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I think that's strange.

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It's implying that overweight people can't achieve high office.

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No, but like I think that he does have problems with fat people.

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I think the adipost is another thing.

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I think that the guy from Clom in Love and Monsters, again, you

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know, like a big sort of fat guy monster.

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And, you know, Russell's a big man.

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And you know, a gay man in a community that has all these kind of

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body image issues.

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So I do think that he is sometimes a bit cruel about fat people.

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Even in Boomtown, where Rose looks down her nose on the person

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that Mickey's been going out with on the grounds that she's a bit

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fat.

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Like, there is a little bit of that in Russell's writing.

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And also in queer as folk, there's a scene about them refusing an

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extra slice of cake because they learn about the impact of fatness

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on their kind of, I don't know, sexual impressiveness or

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something.

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So it is a theme in Russell's writing.

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But like we said last week, there was that idea that the chubby

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kids could get to be the villains in the playground.

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But they couldn't be the heroes, only the villain.

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One of the criticisms of this episode is that the main character

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spends so much time locked in a single room.

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I like the Doctor Who stories where they're sort of, and I

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understand it from a writing point of view as well when you've got

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it's just easier to have them locked in a space to work it out.

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It's kind of the based on to see you've taken to the Mth degree.

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I also think it gives the story time. at its sort of climax when

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all sorts of things are going on to be a bit character focussed

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because we have the mobile phone and we have it sort of hooked up

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to the sort of speaker phone on the cabinet office desk, the one

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presumably that opens up and fills the room with poison gas in a

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later episode.

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Well, no, because they rebuilt it.

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Okay, fair enough.

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So we have Jackie and the doctor talking about whether Rose is

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going to be safe and about that sort of course of action.

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And we talked a little bit about the kind of family plot last

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week.

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So here I think it sort of becomes a little bit more explicit, that

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critique that you were talking about, James, of the doctor's

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life.

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I see why they did it. in the new series.

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They kind of belabour it a bit.

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I think, too, that it does answer what we saw last week.

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You know how he sort of suspected that the doctor might be having

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too much fun and that becomes a thing.

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And, you know, you think this is fun, you think this is clever.

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And Chris does get the opportunity to answer that back.

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Yeah.

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And I love how that's beautiful that he doesn't answer her until

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later he doesn't have an answer to that.

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And the way it circles back around when they're settling on what

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they have to do.

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Yeah, is really lovely, I think.

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And even you even get it with Harriet.

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I love that you're a very violent young woman.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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In fact, she makes the joke about another fat joke, by the way

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about wishing that she had a sort of compression field so that she

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could fit into a smaller sized dress and Harriet tells her off and

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then, you know, when she contemplates using nukes, Harriet tells

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her off.

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So there is this whole idea that the doctor sort of relishes

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violence and danger.

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But then Harry is the one that ends up saying, well, we're going

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to do this.

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Yeah.

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Well, but because the doctor says that no, it's not all about sort

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of fun and violence.

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It is about taking a stand and doing the right thing and, you know

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saving people's lives.

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He's not just doing it for kicks.

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He's doing it in order to do good.

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And I think that that's really good.

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And I also think I like the chance that Mickey gives Jackie the

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chance to intervene and stop him from endangering Rose.

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That's a really lovely beat for his character as well.

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Yeah, I think I think I really like Noel Clark in these 2

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episodes.

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I think he's, I always think sometimes the writing is a little bit

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less, like, like, you clearly Jackie has the really defined

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character.

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And Mickey can sometimes be a bit looser with how he's

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characterised, particularly among other writers as well.

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I think it's because he's written as a joke character to start

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with. and before they got such a good actor, Noel Clark is an

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amazing actor.

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You see, in the film work that he's done since the films that he's

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written, and directed since, like, he's a bloody good actor.

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Um, And that character is written as a joke.

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And then when they realise this guy can act, that's when he starts

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getting more depth and, you know, like, I mean, series 2, Yeah, but

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I think, you know, he's got a really clear redemption arc here

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where he's sort of rather pathetic, you know, inability to even

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contemplate going with a doctor at the end of Rose, like he's the

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dead weight that's keeping Rose tied and, you know, that nearly

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makes her decide not to go with a doctor.

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And then he kind of steps up and is brave and competent and does

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the right thing.

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And you know, the doctor stops calling him Ricky as well.

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You know, as he does that.

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Like the doctor's got quite a lot of contempt for him.

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But he's the one who realises that publicly crashing a spaceship

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into Big Ben is a strange thing to do if your plan is to take over

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the world.

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He's the one who's smart enough to realise that he's the one who

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manages to, you know, send the missile that kind of wipes the

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Sabina Buffalo.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, he's super brave.

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He's super brave and smart, even in this story.

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So, you know, and I always hop on big finish pickers.

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I love big fish.

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Hello?

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Is there a buffalo boxing?

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Almost.

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So, um, big finish retcon Buffalo is the doctor's password.

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In a 6 doctor audio from a couple of years ago, Vampire of the

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Mind.

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So that's been his password for a good 300 years.

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So they're not very serious sort of password complexity

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requirements in the unit system.

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Well, he must have got that back in the 80s, surely.

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I love that.

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I love when...

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It might actually be the AV.

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I'm not sure who writes the AV club review of this two-parter, but

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I think it's someone who does a whole suite of them, but calls

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Mickey sort of hacking to save the world very 2005.

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Or yeah, or maybe that is Santa Fe.

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I can't remember, but, um, I think it's kind of, it's charming.

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Like, it's kind of like very any sort of just typing, typing away

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keys and that like 2 fingers.

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Two fingers.

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And it happens a bit in school reunion. there's a lot of that as

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well.

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But it's, yeah, it works from a character point of view, which is

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sort of what is important about it.

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It doesn't really matter that it's sort of a crap kind of...

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I think there's an attempt not to have the sort of resolution be

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too complex and to have it something that Mickey can do.

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Yeah, of course.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Because he is an idiot.

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Yeah, well, not anymore.

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So, let's talk about Harriet Jones.

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I think everyone, she's a sort of adored character within those

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1st few years of Doctor Who.

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But I love, particularly in a story that is quite political.

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There's a character that's meant to embody what politician should

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be or an aspirational MP that stands up, even when there's aliens

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and farting aliens and the end of the world is sort of looming in

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front of her.

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She's just standing up for her constituents.

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Yeah, you know, and I think it's, um, it's a really lovely, like

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it's, it's obviously like simplistic, but I think it's, it's

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particularly placed in, in quite a politically minded story.

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I think it's a very clear indication of what Russell's trying to

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say.

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I think I think she plays that brilliantly.

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Yeah, like the wanting to talk about cottage hospitals and the um

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the acting prime minister's uh, line, oh, for God's sake, woman

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get some perspective.

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And it's like busy.

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Yeah.

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And, and, you know, just in that scene, you've got a microcosm of

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what politicians are, what politicians should represent.

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And the look on her face of being crushed when she's, you know

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she's standing up for what she believes in in this this cynical

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horrible person, just, you know, destroys her.

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She has like as an actor, she's got just an enormous amount of

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sort of personal charm.

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She's just so sweet and so incredibly lovely.

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And she's sort of properly brave and properly sensible.

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Like, she does seem like a bit of an ingenue at the beginning.

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You know, she's naive and it's bizarre that she expects to have a

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conversation about cottage hospitals on the day that aliens land.

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But she kind of stands up and takes control at the end.

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And I love how instantly the doctor warms to it.

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Like, it's literally within 5 seconds of properly, properly

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meeting her that he's already saying, I really like.

482
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Yeah, yeah.

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You're very good at this.

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Yeah.

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And I think, yeah, she just has such a, yeah, you're right.

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There's such a personal charm to her performance.

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And I think it works really.

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And I'm so like, I think obviously after seeing the strength of

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her performance, they thought, well, we've got to bring her back.

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And obviously it's not...

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I'm sure it'll be covered when she next appears, her arc into what

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she becomes as a prime minister is probably more representative of

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that Russell sort of cynicism that someone like that can

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eventually be corrupted.

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Well, she, I mean, she has that idealism.

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And, and, you know, Russell very definitely in this story kills

497
00:24:37.319 --> 00:24:43.740
Tony Blair and replaces him with someone who isn't, you know

498
00:24:43.740 --> 00:24:47.039
cynical, someone who has a faith in humanity.

499
00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:50.640
Who voted against the, I voted against that, by the way.

500
00:24:50.700 --> 00:24:57.000
Yeah. and her fall from grace later. is also sort of, Yeah, I mean

501
00:24:57.000 --> 00:25:00.000
I think that's one of the great tragedies and we'll talk about

502
00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:03.059
this definitely when we get to the Christmas invasion of any

503
00:25:03.059 --> 00:25:04.980
character in the new series.

504
00:25:05.279 --> 00:25:09.180
I think she is most poorly treated, apart from, say, Donna

505
00:25:09.180 --> 00:25:12.480
obviously, because it was like that suited the story.

506
00:25:12.539 --> 00:25:15.119
It suited the story that she would make that decision.

507
00:25:15.180 --> 00:25:16.559
She had to protect the world.

508
00:25:16.619 --> 00:25:19.500
And she's slightly ridiculous.

509
00:25:19.500 --> 00:25:22.799
Yeah, and that's horrible as well.

510
00:25:22.859 --> 00:25:24.960
She should have pre routine without being killed.

511
00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:27.960
Just because I love her so much.

512
00:25:28.019 --> 00:25:29.880
Although apparently she survives.

513
00:25:29.940 --> 00:25:33.119
Did you say that little in the poetry illustration?

514
00:25:33.180 --> 00:25:36.420
There's a sequence where she...

515
00:25:37.500 --> 00:25:40.259
And escaped on a motorbike?

516
00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:42.960
Yeah, as soon as the Daleks are about to exterminator, a trap door

517
00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:45.539
of fire ramps off on a scooter.

518
00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:47.700
Oh, brilliant. makes me much happier.

519
00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:51.420
So we talk about political cynicism and that's really what this

520
00:25:51.420 --> 00:25:55.140
entire story is aimed at because this story is a political satire

521
00:25:55.140 --> 00:25:59.759
in a way that Doctor Who hasn't quite done before, I don't think.

522
00:25:59.819 --> 00:26:09.480
So this is, of course, about 911 and about the, um, the response

523
00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:16.259
of the British and American government to that and about the, um

524
00:26:16.259 --> 00:26:19.500
the lead up to the war in Iraq.

525
00:26:20.279 --> 00:26:23.160
I'm probably the only one who remembers 911.

526
00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:24.359
Do you remember 911, James?

527
00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:28.440
I was born there, were you?

528
00:26:28.500 --> 00:26:29.460
I was born.

529
00:26:29.519 --> 00:26:31.259
Yeah, I was born.

530
00:26:31.380 --> 00:26:33.660
I was 20.

531
00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:34.619
Oh, okay.

532
00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:35.099
All right.

533
00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:35.460
Yeah.

534
00:26:35.460 --> 00:26:36.180
Yeah.

535
00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:37.619
Oh, you are old.

536
00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:39.000
You're right.

537
00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:41.460
Not as old as you are.

538
00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:42.839
No, no, no. one's as old as me.

539
00:26:42.900 --> 00:26:47.579
Yeah, no, so it was like, 911 was 8 days before my 21st birthday.

540
00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:48.660
Oh, wow, okay.

541
00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:53.759
So, you know, it's very definitely evoking those images in the 1st

542
00:26:53.759 --> 00:26:54.960
episode.

543
00:26:55.019 --> 00:26:55.980
Yeah, of course, yeah.

544
00:26:56.039 --> 00:27:00.539
I think it's, it's sort of, I mean, obviously, flew over my head

545
00:27:00.539 --> 00:27:01.200
no pun intended.

546
00:27:01.259 --> 00:27:04.500
But, but, of course, like, is it an 8 year old's not going to pick

547
00:27:04.500 --> 00:27:04.859
up?

548
00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:05.460
Yeah, yeah.

549
00:27:05.519 --> 00:27:08.759
But I think, yeah, it's obviously a deliberate, having a sort of

550
00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:12.599
unidentified flying object slice through a major landmark.

551
00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:16.980
And then sort of, it's quite a bold set piece, but it sets up the

552
00:27:16.980 --> 00:27:21.180
ensuing story and it states pretty early on what it's going to be

553
00:27:21.180 --> 00:27:21.900
concerned with. yeah.

554
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:24.480
And so you get that world-to-all media coverage that we got.

555
00:27:24.539 --> 00:27:27.420
You get a city that's sort of in lockdown, you get everyone sort

556
00:27:27.420 --> 00:27:32.099
of panicking, and it seems like this sort of huge seismic change

557
00:27:32.099 --> 00:27:35.160
in kind of the whole world order is sort of about to happen.

558
00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:42.299
But there is, um, you know, the idea that that's a ruse that 911

559
00:27:42.299 --> 00:27:46.859
is really there to put us all on alert.

560
00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:49.859
Like, you know, I don't think that there's any sort of weirdo sort

561
00:27:49.859 --> 00:27:52.920
of 911 conspiracy truther stuff behind it.

562
00:27:52.980 --> 00:27:56.759
But that event put those governments on kind of high alert and we

563
00:27:56.759 --> 00:28:02.339
started to get the sort of paranoia around Muslims at airports and

564
00:28:02.339 --> 00:28:03.359
stuff like that.

565
00:28:03.420 --> 00:28:11.579
And the governments use that sort of anti-Muslim fear as a way of

566
00:28:11.579 --> 00:28:14.940
justifying the invasion of Iraq.

567
00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:18.900
You know, even though that link isn't explicitly made, and sort of

568
00:28:18.900 --> 00:28:23.339
people know that Iraq has nothing to do with 9-11.

569
00:28:23.579 --> 00:28:28.559
I mean, the Middle East has always been, you know, one...

570
00:28:28.619 --> 00:28:31.920
No, no, but there's always been a sort of genuine problem, a sort

571
00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:33.420
of post-colonial problem.

572
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:36.720
The Middle East has always been kind of volatile and things.

573
00:28:36.779 --> 00:28:40.799
But because we don't know that much about it on the whole, and we

574
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:42.299
sort of tend to lump it all together.

575
00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:48.720
The Iraq thing and 911 seemed related, I think, in the public's

576
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:49.019
mind.

577
00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:54.960
And so it was much easier to convince the public that Iraq posed a

578
00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:55.740
threat.

579
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:58.680
And so what you get is you get that incredible scene where Joseph

580
00:28:58.680 --> 00:29:03.839
Green goes out and says, we've detected massive weapons of

581
00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:04.500
destruction.

582
00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:07.079
And it's the September dossier, isn't it?

583
00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:13.140
So from like in September 2002, the British government puts out a

584
00:29:13.140 --> 00:29:17.640
document, which says that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass

585
00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:21.359
destruction, chemical and biological weapons that it's working on

586
00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:26.819
reactivating its nuclear program, and that Britain could be under

587
00:29:26.819 --> 00:29:31.079
threat, like they could deploy these weapons within 45 minutes, and

588
00:29:31.079 --> 00:29:34.440
not 45 seconds, which is what Joseph Green says.

589
00:29:34.500 --> 00:29:38.279
And in fact, there was talk about sexing up that dossier.

590
00:29:38.339 --> 00:29:41.279
The dossier had been sexed up to make it seem a little bit more

591
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:42.599
urgent and threatening.

592
00:29:42.660 --> 00:29:46.259
And there had been a line, I think, in the original script of this

593
00:29:46.259 --> 00:29:50.099
episode, about sexing up the document that had to be card.

594
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:53.039
Oh, that would be...

595
00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:55.680
I wish, like, did they not film it?

596
00:29:55.740 --> 00:29:57.059
I wish they'd filmed it.

597
00:29:57.119 --> 00:30:00.240
I want that as a cut scene.

598
00:30:00.299 --> 00:30:02.880
Oh, it needs bits of sexy up there.

599
00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:07.980
No, and even that, even the, I mean, of course, because the

600
00:30:07.980 --> 00:30:12.539
Slovene fake an alien crash in order to make their demands and

601
00:30:12.539 --> 00:30:14.160
what they need to happen more plausible.

602
00:30:14.220 --> 00:30:18.599
So the whole, the whole structure of their strategy to get what

603
00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:18.960
they want.

604
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:22.859
It evokes the sort of fear mumbering. really.

605
00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:25.500
And it's, and I think that's, that's, I think, what makes the

606
00:30:25.500 --> 00:30:28.920
story particularly, uh, particularly what feels particularly

607
00:30:28.920 --> 00:30:30.599
urgent and relevant.

608
00:30:30.660 --> 00:30:31.799
Yeah, yeah.

609
00:30:31.859 --> 00:30:33.839
Again, the UN involvement.

610
00:30:33.900 --> 00:30:34.799
Do you know what I mean?

611
00:30:34.859 --> 00:30:37.619
The September dossier was intended to convince the UN.

612
00:30:37.740 --> 00:30:42.720
Well, the thing is, at the time, the British wouldn't have needed

613
00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:44.940
the UN to unlock their nuclear code.

614
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:46.619
No, no, no, that's all that's all made up.

615
00:30:46.859 --> 00:30:50.460
But I think it was News Night.

616
00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:52.259
The BBC late news.

617
00:30:52.380 --> 00:30:54.839
Like kind of like our late line.

618
00:30:54.900 --> 00:30:58.680
They discovered, I think it was in 2007.

619
00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:05.039
They uncovered that the British nuclear weapons were locked down

620
00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:06.599
by a set of bike keys.

621
00:31:06.660 --> 00:31:08.819
So like that's how they were operated.

622
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:13.619
They just had some bike lock keys to activate their nuclear

623
00:31:13.619 --> 00:31:14.039
weapons.

624
00:31:14.099 --> 00:31:18.660
They didn't need any sort of permission to do it, and the way they

625
00:31:18.660 --> 00:31:20.940
were controlled was literally by turning to the bike.

626
00:31:21.059 --> 00:31:24.960
But they did want the UN to kind of give blessing to the American

627
00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:27.059
and British action in Iraq.

628
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:30.359
So that's kind of turned into that's turned into that.

629
00:31:30.420 --> 00:31:34.859
And what I really like and why I think it's important that the

630
00:31:34.859 --> 00:31:39.960
Slovene fart is that the important lesson we need to learn from

631
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:44.400
this is that our politicians, or the Blair government, at least

632
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:48.599
were just a bunch of fat flatulent aliens who were concerned about

633
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:54.660
fuelling every cut price cargo ship, you know, that the whole

634
00:31:54.660 --> 00:31:58.380
thing was, in fact, about fuel, which is what we suspected.

635
00:31:58.440 --> 00:32:03.180
I remember in 2003, attending protests about the Iraq war.

636
00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:07.380
And, you know, Hans Blix was there in Iraq, hadn't found anything

637
00:32:07.380 --> 00:32:10.859
yet, but the American and the British government, obviously didn't

638
00:32:10.859 --> 00:32:11.880
want him to find nothing.

639
00:32:11.940 --> 00:32:15.420
They wanted the story that he was a real threat.

640
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:20.519
And we were all kind of suspecting that it was about oil, which it

641
00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:21.900
always is in the Middle East.

642
00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:25.980
And so that's the story that Russell's telling, the Slovene are

643
00:32:25.980 --> 00:32:28.079
here to get fuel.

644
00:32:28.140 --> 00:32:31.859
The whole thing is to allow nuclear weapons to be dropped so that

645
00:32:31.859 --> 00:32:33.240
they can sell the planet off as fuel.

646
00:32:33.299 --> 00:32:36.480
I don't think I've heard that reading before.

647
00:32:36.539 --> 00:32:39.839
I mean, like, you know, I'm familiar with the reading of the

648
00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:44.640
nuclear weapons, the the weapons of mass destruction link, but the

649
00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:49.140
whole the whole story is is actually a parody of the Iraq or not

650
00:32:49.140 --> 00:32:50.400
just that scene.

651
00:32:50.460 --> 00:32:51.180
Yeah.

652
00:32:51.180 --> 00:32:51.839
Yeah.

653
00:32:51.900 --> 00:32:55.500
So, and I think that, you know, they get Margaret Slovine to make

654
00:32:55.500 --> 00:32:55.980
that point.

655
00:32:56.039 --> 00:32:59.640
And when she talks about what the fuel is going to be used for, it

656
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:04.140
sounds like she's about to say everyone's car, but she says cut

657
00:33:04.140 --> 00:33:08.940
price cargo ship, and it just seems like, you know, she sends out

658
00:33:08.940 --> 00:33:09.599
an ad.

659
00:33:09.660 --> 00:33:12.599
It becomes really kind of sorted and commercial.

660
00:33:12.660 --> 00:33:14.579
So it's not a strategic thing at all.

661
00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:16.380
It is just about making a profit.

662
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:20.880
And particularly there's that newsreader in the dawn of the day

663
00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:25.680
after that's supposed after the UN are sort of deciding and

664
00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:26.279
deliberating.

665
00:33:26.339 --> 00:33:29.579
It says, like, yesterday saw the start of a brave new world, today

666
00:33:29.579 --> 00:33:33.900
might see it end, which is the fantastics of Doomey proclamation

667
00:33:33.900 --> 00:33:36.599
but it was like, it's, that sort of distils it into like one

668
00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:38.400
little sound bite.

669
00:33:38.460 --> 00:33:39.420
It's really good.

670
00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:40.920
He's terrific, isn't he?

671
00:33:40.980 --> 00:33:41.880
I don't know his name.

672
00:33:41.940 --> 00:33:43.140
He's a real guy though, I think.

673
00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:44.880
Yeah, I think he's another one of his actor.

674
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:46.259
Oh, he's an actor.

675
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:47.099
Oh, that's a shame.

676
00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:48.359
I thought real people.

677
00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:49.259
Yeah.

678
00:33:49.259 --> 00:33:51.000
Jack Tarleton?

679
00:33:51.059 --> 00:33:55.259
But no, I thought he was a real news reporter as well, but he's an

680
00:33:55.259 --> 00:33:55.799
actrian.

681
00:33:55.859 --> 00:33:58.019
Sorry, I'm telling Richard.

682
00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:02.940
It is, um, he does a very good job and that is a very good scene.

683
00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:07.079
And, you know, I enjoy how much of this story is mediated. through

684
00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:08.519
television broadcast.

685
00:34:08.579 --> 00:34:10.260
Well, even the doctor sitting down.

686
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:12.780
Like, they can't get closer, so they have to go back and just

687
00:34:12.780 --> 00:34:13.619
watch it on telly.

688
00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:16.920
Yeah, there's so there's so much or when they watch it on telly

689
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:17.760
inside the TARDIS.

690
00:34:17.820 --> 00:34:18.360
Yeah.

691
00:34:18.420 --> 00:34:21.179
There's just a lot of just like, oh, we can't get any really

692
00:34:21.179 --> 00:34:22.739
closer, so that's just let's just watch it.

693
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:27.179
Well, in fact, the speech, like Joseph Green's speech is relayed

694
00:34:27.179 --> 00:34:32.400
to the doctor who's trapped in the cabinet room by Mickey on his

695
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:35.940
mobile phone, holding the mobile phone to the TV. when he takes

696
00:34:35.940 --> 00:34:37.860
the photo of the of the slippine.

697
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:38.519
Yeah, yeah.

698
00:34:38.579 --> 00:34:40.440
And and uses it.

699
00:34:40.500 --> 00:34:42.900
Even that even felt like rewatching that.

700
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:46.380
I thought, oh, that's, that was like 13 years ago, but there was

701
00:34:46.380 --> 00:34:49.079
still like sort of like phone cameras, like that, that sort of

702
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:50.340
like a terrible phone.

703
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:55.500
Yes, because because the iPhone didn't get out, get released until

704
00:34:55.500 --> 00:34:56.400
about 18 months later.

705
00:34:56.460 --> 00:34:57.960
Yeah, 2007, I think.

706
00:34:58.019 --> 00:35:02.219
It was, yeah, but it surprised me how so much of that sort of

707
00:35:02.219 --> 00:35:06.119
groundwork had been laid in the 1st contemporary two-part story.

708
00:35:06.179 --> 00:35:08.880
Like, and then it's sort of come, like, if you look at something

709
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:12.360
like this igon invasion, which is sort of, probably a nice

710
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:16.320
comparison, given that they're both obviously political and

711
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:19.980
obviously concerned with a political allegory.

712
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:20.280
Yeah.

713
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:24.480
And but seeing now, then, like, sort of 11 years later, how

714
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:27.000
instrumental, like, just phone cameras are in that story.

715
00:35:27.059 --> 00:35:31.559
Evil Clara is just going around taking videos of things and

716
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:32.099
upload.

717
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:35.280
You know, like it's just, but it's nice to see how 11 years that

718
00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:37.800
Doctor Who doing a contemporary polluting thriller can change.

719
00:35:37.860 --> 00:35:41.099
I actually think, too, that that's probably the closest parallel

720
00:35:41.099 --> 00:35:41.519
isn't it?

721
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:45.360
I mean, I mean, that zygon is probably less, like, it's less fun.

722
00:35:45.420 --> 00:35:46.800
Like, it's less Jove.

723
00:35:46.860 --> 00:35:47.880
It takes itself a bit more seriously.

724
00:35:47.940 --> 00:35:49.500
Although it is still funny.

725
00:35:49.619 --> 00:35:53.460
Like it's clearly like it's well written and it's not like sort of

726
00:35:53.460 --> 00:35:54.480
doomy.

727
00:35:54.539 --> 00:35:57.599
But they are quite, they're Doctor Who doing sort of a similar.

728
00:35:57.659 --> 00:35:58.679
It's like coming from the same.

729
00:35:58.800 --> 00:35:59.519
Yeah.

730
00:35:59.579 --> 00:36:02.099
And having a sort of something that's got a real sort of global

731
00:36:02.099 --> 00:36:02.760
scale.

732
00:36:02.820 --> 00:36:06.239
Yeah, and a particularly recent political event and that's clearly

733
00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:09.780
signed, but like you have the Zygon hostage videos.

734
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:10.380
Yeah.

735
00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:12.179
And then, yeah, it was pretty.

736
00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:14.699
I remember when that I remember because I was probably more aware

737
00:36:14.699 --> 00:36:17.579
of the politics of that one when that was broadcast.

738
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:20.579
In fact, I think that's maybe a bit more telling.

739
00:36:20.579 --> 00:36:22.019
I think it's a bit more and like it's fair.

740
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:25.920
Yeah, and I think it probably it's signposting it even more loudly

741
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:26.760
I think, in that one.

742
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:34.860
Let's talk about the final scene, because we're heading towards

743
00:36:34.860 --> 00:36:36.539
the end.

744
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:39.900
We do actually get the whole thing resolved quite early and we

745
00:36:39.900 --> 00:36:43.619
have sort of something like 5 minutes or maybe even more at the

746
00:36:43.619 --> 00:36:48.780
end, which is all just about, you know, Jackie, Mickey, Rose and

747
00:36:48.780 --> 00:36:49.139
the doctor.

748
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:51.900
That's, actually, I lied before.

749
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:53.760
That's probably my favourite scene in the episode.

750
00:36:53.820 --> 00:36:59.400
That final, I love the, I can't get over the, I rewatching it.

751
00:36:59.460 --> 00:37:00.239
I'd forgotten the joke.

752
00:37:00.300 --> 00:37:02.099
Oh, what is it?

753
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:03.599
Mum's cooking dinner.

754
00:37:03.659 --> 00:37:04.380
Yeah, yeah.

755
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:07.440
Mum's cooking and it's kind of like, oh, yeah, put on a low heat

756
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:08.219
and lettuce.

757
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:09.239
It's just fantastic.

758
00:37:09.300 --> 00:37:12.599
Or her speculation that the doctor eats grass or safety pins.

759
00:37:13.500 --> 00:37:19.139
See, my favourite part of the episode is actually the scene where

760
00:37:19.139 --> 00:37:24.480
the doctor's trying to convince Rose to keep travelling with him

761
00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:31.500
and it's, look, I think it's a really conscious reference. where

762
00:37:31.500 --> 00:37:35.820
you say, oh, you know, I could show you a plasma storm in the

763
00:37:35.820 --> 00:37:36.840
horse head nebula.

764
00:37:36.900 --> 00:37:38.639
We call it the Florana speech.

765
00:37:38.699 --> 00:37:39.239
Yeah.

766
00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:44.340
And which is why I love it so much because, um, spoiler alert

767
00:37:44.340 --> 00:37:46.739
invasion that has dinosaurs is one of my favourite doctor stories

768
00:37:46.739 --> 00:37:47.280
of all time.

769
00:37:47.340 --> 00:37:48.960
I know, the puppets are crap.

770
00:37:49.019 --> 00:37:52.019
But it's just such an enjoyable story.

771
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:57.719
And that last scene, I think, is one of my favourite scenes in the

772
00:37:57.719 --> 00:37:59.099
classic series, Doctor Who.

773
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:02.699
Do we talk about it because it ends with Sarah putting her hand. no

774
00:38:02.699 --> 00:38:03.000
no, no.

775
00:38:03.059 --> 00:38:05.699
And because of that, it's like, it's one of the most beautiful

776
00:38:05.699 --> 00:38:06.840
places in the universe.

777
00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:11.880
And she's like, no, doctor. as she's covering her ears and shaking

778
00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:12.599
her head.

779
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:14.400
And that's what we go out on.

780
00:38:14.460 --> 00:38:16.380
We don't go out on her being persuaded.

781
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:19.019
We just know that her resistance is going to be overcome.

782
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:23.039
It's wonderful Yeah, it just sort of crashes into the titles and

783
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:25.380
it's just like, oh, that's just it's gorgeous.

784
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:31.380
And, and, and it really sells like Sarah Jane as, as being this

785
00:38:31.380 --> 00:38:36.780
believable real character in a way that, you know, you don't see

786
00:38:36.780 --> 00:38:38.639
for, for a while after that.

787
00:38:38.699 --> 00:38:42.480
But because of her reaction to trying to be persuaded.

788
00:38:42.659 --> 00:38:46.679
I think the doctor's actually a bit of a...

789
00:38:46.739 --> 00:38:48.179
Yeah, I'm a dick here.

790
00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:51.239
I always wanted him to go to dinner with...

791
00:38:51.300 --> 00:38:54.599
I was I still was overcome with frustration that he doesn't.

792
00:38:54.780 --> 00:38:55.920
There's no, I don't do that.

793
00:38:55.980 --> 00:38:58.260
And he manipulates her as well.

794
00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:01.619
It's kind of like, well, you can have your family, but, but

795
00:39:01.619 --> 00:39:04.800
there's the, like, yeah, but I do something.

796
00:39:04.860 --> 00:39:05.639
Yeah, more exciting.

797
00:39:05.699 --> 00:39:08.639
And I just think, which is why I think ultimately when David

798
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:11.219
Tennant goes to Christmas dinner with them and a Christmas

799
00:39:11.219 --> 00:39:12.239
invasion, it's such a.

800
00:39:12.300 --> 00:39:14.760
That's a long, slow boil thing.

801
00:39:14.820 --> 00:39:16.380
Yeah, that's a deliberate thing.

802
00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:20.159
It's being set up here, so that when you get there, you're like

803
00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:21.360
well, very satisfied.

804
00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:23.340
Like, you feel like that's a significant change.

805
00:39:23.340 --> 00:39:28.500
The doctor now feels like he can, he's accepted in a family.

806
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:30.239
Yeah, he has a family deal with him.

807
00:39:30.300 --> 00:39:35.039
Yeah, and it sells the fact that this doctor is damaged.

808
00:39:35.099 --> 00:39:39.780
Like his, you know, not that we've touched on this in the plot of

809
00:39:39.780 --> 00:39:43.079
the story in a big way yet, but the fact that he's newly

810
00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:46.380
regenerated out the time or blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

811
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:47.400
So all coming to a head next week.

812
00:39:47.460 --> 00:39:53.099
And and that's, you know, like it's, it's not just that he's a

813
00:39:53.099 --> 00:39:54.900
bastard for being a bastard's sake.

814
00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:56.639
He's damaged.

815
00:39:56.699 --> 00:40:00.300
He's been alone, he's lost himself.

816
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:02.340
I mean, I like it.

817
00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:05.820
It's a more kind of, I mean, it's not, you know, it's not exactly

818
00:40:05.820 --> 00:40:09.539
Shakespeare, but it is more sophisticated in its depiction of the

819
00:40:09.539 --> 00:40:16.199
doctor allowing him to be selfish and manipulative and a bit

820
00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:17.219
unlikeable.

821
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:19.860
Like, I think that kind of works.

822
00:40:19.980 --> 00:40:25.079
I mean, Camille just pulls it every heartstring, like that the, and

823
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:28.920
particularly when she comes in with the 2 cups of tea and she's

824
00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:32.579
packing and she's, and she seems excited by the prospect that, oh

825
00:40:32.579 --> 00:40:33.840
I can be involved in this now.

826
00:40:33.900 --> 00:40:36.059
I sort of, I sort of know what's happening now.

827
00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:39.840
We can do dinner and we can talk about it and we can, and that she

828
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:42.300
knows that she's not going to get that yet.

829
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:44.400
And she says, don't go, sweetheart.

830
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:46.380
Like, I'm sort of crying now.

831
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:48.539
But it's just such a, because you don't really get that.

832
00:40:48.599 --> 00:40:49.679
I know.

833
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:52.860
I mean, I love Russell Davis doing companions' mums.

834
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:54.360
I think that's fantastic.

835
00:40:54.420 --> 00:40:56.940
But I think she's so Camille is so good.

836
00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:01.440
And I think she's given so much more time as obviously she has the

837
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:01.980
2 seasons.

838
00:41:02.219 --> 00:41:05.099
Don't get Nathan started on Camille.

839
00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:07.320
She's there, I agree with you.

840
00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:10.920
Aside from Love of Monsters, which I think is probably her shining

841
00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:14.460
moment, I think this is just such a, it's a downbeat ending, that

842
00:41:14.460 --> 00:41:15.179
that fine.

843
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:17.579
Yeah, that 10 seconds.

844
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:20.699
I know that you're keen to talk about is just maybe one of the

845
00:41:20.699 --> 00:41:21.179
best endings.

846
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:24.059
It is great, isn't it?

847
00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:27.780
And because, like, you remember watching it at the time and not

848
00:41:27.780 --> 00:41:30.599
knowing how Rose's story ends.

849
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:31.380
Of course, yeah.

850
00:41:31.380 --> 00:41:34.260
And there's this fear that she'll come to some harm, which is what

851
00:41:34.260 --> 00:41:39.900
Jackie's been expressing all through the episode and she reassures

852
00:41:39.900 --> 00:41:43.019
Jackie that, no, it's a time machine.

853
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:44.820
I can be back in 10 seconds.

854
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:48.179
She gets on board the title and says, see you in 10 seconds and

855
00:41:48.179 --> 00:41:49.019
then doesn't come back.

856
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:53.880
And her mother's looking at her watch and counting down the

857
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:58.199
seconds after they've gone and then she turns away crestfallen and

858
00:41:58.199 --> 00:41:58.739
walks away.

859
00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:02.159
But then you also see Mickey just, he goes back to his seat and he

860
00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:02.940
just stays there.

861
00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:06.119
Yeah, he just sits and waits and he says nothing, but it's just

862
00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:07.199
fantastic.

863
00:42:07.260 --> 00:42:11.159
It's such a great little waiter in the episode It's so fresh.

864
00:42:11.219 --> 00:42:12.780
It's so fresh for Doctor Who.

865
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:15.420
He's never done this. in this way.

866
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:18.360
Yeah, we were talking last week about the unit family.

867
00:42:18.420 --> 00:42:18.840
Yeah.

868
00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:20.400
What's that last week or was it this week?

869
00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:21.659
Every week.

870
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:22.860
We're talking last week.

871
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:25.559
We were talking last week about, you know, this being the sort of

872
00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:30.179
modern take on the unit family by giving him an actual family to

873
00:42:30.179 --> 00:42:34.500
interact with and grounding that in the present day in reality in

874
00:42:34.500 --> 00:42:36.119
a way that unit never quite did.

875
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:39.480
Yeah, well, I mean, domestic reality.

876
00:42:39.539 --> 00:42:41.340
And, you know, there is that.

877
00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:45.360
I think it's fun that the doctor, maybe like some of his fans are

878
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:49.139
resisting Doctor Who being sucked into the kind of domestic realm

879
00:42:49.139 --> 00:42:52.199
but in fact, it really elevates.

880
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:52.500
Yeah.

881
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:56.400
Well, they have really bad PTSD memories of dimensions in time.

882
00:42:56.460 --> 00:42:57.780
Can you blame them?

883
00:42:57.900 --> 00:43:01.260
It's also, it's also when, I think it's when Doctor Who's at its

884
00:43:01.260 --> 00:43:04.920
best whenever it's, like, I think, when it grounds itself really

885
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:09.719
well in, in season 4 a little bit as well, and then, and then in

886
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:12.780
season eight, there's quite a bit of, or certainly Stephen

887
00:43:12.780 --> 00:43:14.880
Moffatt's most deliberate attempt to do it.

888
00:43:14.940 --> 00:43:18.239
Yeah, um, and perhaps in the upcoming season as well.

889
00:43:18.300 --> 00:43:21.239
Like I, I, I think it's, because, because it gives you the light

890
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:24.539
and shade of the whole, it, it makes when they go over to these

891
00:43:24.539 --> 00:43:25.559
fantastical places.

892
00:43:25.619 --> 00:43:29.579
It makes them feel special and it, I think it elevates everything

893
00:43:29.579 --> 00:43:34.199
around it when it's, when it's so focussed on, on a particular

894
00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:37.139
impact that this is happening or a family or.

895
00:43:37.139 --> 00:43:41.579
I think right from the very beginning of Aliens of London, where

896
00:43:41.579 --> 00:43:44.519
we see that this is going to be a story about the impact of

897
00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:48.840
travelling with the doctor on your family.

898
00:43:48.900 --> 00:43:49.739
Yeah.

899
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:52.800
And it's something that has never ever probably been done before.

900
00:43:52.860 --> 00:43:54.840
None of them ever had families.

901
00:43:54.900 --> 00:43:55.739
No, that's right.

902
00:43:55.800 --> 00:44:01.980
I mean so many orphans. or Perry just running off in a batting her

903
00:44:01.980 --> 00:44:02.400
stepfather.

904
00:44:02.460 --> 00:44:04.619
They deal with that in Big Finish as well.

905
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:05.460
Of course they do.

906
00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:09.179
He gets accused of murdering her or something.

907
00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:12.239
Is Rose the 1st companion we meet with their parents?

908
00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:14.219
We meet Leila's father.

909
00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:16.139
Oh, yes, yeah, of course.

910
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:18.059
Of course. his name?

911
00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:18.960
I can't remember.

912
00:44:19.019 --> 00:44:21.900
Her mother, her mother was Leila's mother.

913
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:23.519
I don't think her mother actually got a name.

914
00:44:23.579 --> 00:44:26.460
Yeah, but certainly we get Leila's father.

915
00:44:26.519 --> 00:44:29.460
I don't think we really get anyone else.

916
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:31.079
Dodo's an orphan.

917
00:44:31.139 --> 00:44:32.699
Sarah's an orphan.

918
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:34.380
Tegan becomes Tegan.

919
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:35.820
We meet Tegan's auntie.

920
00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:36.300
Susan?

921
00:44:36.300 --> 00:44:37.679
We meet her family.

922
00:44:37.739 --> 00:44:39.599
I suppose so.

923
00:44:39.659 --> 00:44:43.559
So this is new, but it's the kind of thing that Doctor Who has to

924
00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:45.659
do now that it comes back in the 21st century.

925
00:44:45.659 --> 00:44:48.179
And it's such an interesting thing to do.

926
00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:49.619
I think it works really well.

927
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:53.400
And one of the things that I feel sort of sad about during part of

928
00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:54.360
the moffity, right?

929
00:44:54.420 --> 00:44:55.739
is just missing that.

930
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:55.980
Yeah.

931
00:44:55.980 --> 00:44:59.820
I have said before that I always think it's a bit sad when the

932
00:44:59.820 --> 00:45:01.980
doctor and his companion have no friends.

933
00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:05.699
You know, one of the things about the Colin Baker era is that, you

934
00:45:05.699 --> 00:45:09.420
know, apart from Asmail, or maybe Professor Arthur Stengos, who's

935
00:45:09.420 --> 00:45:12.900
dead, the doctor doesn't know anyone or have any friends.

936
00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:18.900
And I think that the show works better with a larger regular car.

937
00:45:19.019 --> 00:45:23.099
And I just think Kamil Kajuri is absolutely superb and the best

938
00:45:23.099 --> 00:45:24.480
thing ever to happen to Doctor Who.

939
00:45:24.539 --> 00:45:25.920
Yeah.

940
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:28.199
Big Finish brings her back whenever they can.

941
00:45:28.260 --> 00:45:28.980
Brilliant.

942
00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:40.079
All right, we haven't done this for a while and it's something

943
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:43.320
that we used to do at the end of every series, but we didn't used

944
00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:47.400
to spend 13 or so episodes discussing a single series.

945
00:45:47.460 --> 00:45:52.380
So we're going to bring it back in every part 2 of every story.

946
00:45:52.500 --> 00:45:54.659
It's going to make season 9 interesting.

947
00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:56.760
Very repetitive.

948
00:45:56.820 --> 00:45:58.440
It's pics of the week.

949
00:45:58.500 --> 00:45:59.519
Who wants to go first?

950
00:45:59.579 --> 00:46:01.139
I'll go first.

951
00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:05.880
My pick of the week is a very English scandal, which is a three

952
00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:09.360
part TV miniseries written by Russell T. Davis.

953
00:46:09.420 --> 00:46:12.420
It stars Hugh Grant and Ben Wishaw.

954
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:13.380
It's fantastic.

955
00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:14.400
It's really really special.

956
00:46:14.460 --> 00:46:15.539
When's it set?

957
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:18.599
It's set in London, 1965.

958
00:46:18.900 --> 00:46:19.739
No, that was terrible.

959
00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:21.059
That was terrible.

960
00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:24.239
Ian says it at the end of the chase.

961
00:46:24.300 --> 00:46:26.519
So it was in the 1st doctor's little clip.

962
00:46:26.579 --> 00:46:27.780
Was that in the trailer?

963
00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:28.980
in the trailer that they showed?

964
00:46:28.980 --> 00:46:29.760
trailer for Twitch.

965
00:46:29.820 --> 00:46:31.019
Yeah, okay, right.

966
00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:32.880
1965.

967
00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:39.840
And it's the retelling of the true scandal surrounding Jeremy

968
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:46.019
Thorpe and his terrible hit, he calls out on his ex gay lover.

969
00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:50.159
And it's both the one of the funniest things I've ever seen and

970
00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:52.139
one of the most tragic things I've ever seen.

971
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:55.079
And Hugh Grant is just, I mean, Ben Wisher was always fantastic.

972
00:46:55.139 --> 00:46:59.280
But Hugh Grant's sort of a bit of a revelation in how good.

973
00:46:59.340 --> 00:47:01.980
He's also amazing in Paddington too, which I'll drop in there as

974
00:47:01.980 --> 00:47:02.400
well.

975
00:47:03.539 --> 00:47:08.699
Which has every known British guest artist like just pops up for a

976
00:47:08.699 --> 00:47:08.880
bit.

977
00:47:08.940 --> 00:47:09.840
Piticol is in it.

978
00:47:09.900 --> 00:47:13.199
But sorry, a very English scandal is is, I'm not sure where you

979
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:13.980
can see it in Australia.

980
00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:17.460
I'm just sort of, by now, by the time this comes out, I'll be out

981
00:47:17.460 --> 00:47:18.119
on DVD.

982
00:47:18.179 --> 00:47:23.280
It's either been on ABC or... definitely, definitely seek it out.

983
00:47:23.340 --> 00:47:24.599
Yeah, I loved it.

984
00:47:24.659 --> 00:47:25.440
I thought it was really great.

985
00:47:25.500 --> 00:47:26.159
Amazing.

986
00:47:26.219 --> 00:47:27.000
Very rustly.

987
00:47:27.059 --> 00:47:27.840
Very Russell.

988
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:28.199
Yeah.

989
00:47:28.260 --> 00:47:31.559
So mine's a bit more predictable, if you know me.

990
00:47:31.619 --> 00:47:33.780
It's a big finish.

991
00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:35.519
It'll probably always be a big finish.

992
00:47:35.579 --> 00:47:43.079
It's the ninth Dr. Chronicles, which is Big Finisher's attempt to

993
00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:47.760
set something in the ninth doctor here without being able to get

994
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:48.659
Eccleston back.

995
00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:55.619
Um, so it's a, it's a narrated, part acted, what do we call them

996
00:47:55.619 --> 00:47:56.760
enhanced audiobooks?

997
00:47:56.820 --> 00:47:58.980
Well, it's like what they did with the companion chronicles and

998
00:47:58.980 --> 00:47:59.159
stuff.

999
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:01.559
Yeah, it's okay, it's the kind of doctors.

1000
00:48:01.619 --> 00:48:04.139
Yeah, it's basically like the companion chronicles.

1001
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:08.760
It's got Nick Briggs narrating and doing most of the voices

1002
00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:10.679
including a bit of a ropey.

1003
00:48:10.739 --> 00:48:12.539
Northern accent.

1004
00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:16.739
But it does feature Bruno Langley.

1005
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:17.519
Oh, wow.

1006
00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:21.900
Returning as Adam Mitchell in an unseen adventure from series one

1007
00:48:21.900 --> 00:48:25.860
and brings back Camille fantastically in another episode.

1008
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:28.440
And it's just so enjoyable.

1009
00:48:28.500 --> 00:48:32.760
And like, you can tell that, like, you know, that era is held in

1010
00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:36.780
such high regard, by them, and they do it proud, even with the

1011
00:48:36.780 --> 00:48:40.679
ropey, um, the ropey Eccleston impression, I really enjoyed it.

1012
00:48:40.860 --> 00:48:45.659
Okay, well, mine is, uh, since we've had this hiatus from flight

1013
00:48:45.659 --> 00:48:47.820
through entirety, and we haven't really been recording very

1014
00:48:47.820 --> 00:48:48.360
regularly.

1015
00:48:48.420 --> 00:48:51.000
I've discovered television, just like.

1016
00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:54.360
Yeah, no, no, it's a thing that apparently Barbara and Ian

1017
00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:58.019
discovered in the 1st episode of Doctor Who, according to the

1018
00:48:58.019 --> 00:48:58.320
doctor.

1019
00:48:58.380 --> 00:48:59.699
And it's amazing.

1020
00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:03.239
And I'm going to recommend a TV show that has nothing really at

1021
00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:04.559
all to do with Doctor Who.

1022
00:49:04.619 --> 00:49:07.860
It does have a sort of weird, slightly science fiction-y

1023
00:49:07.860 --> 00:49:13.500
sensibility, and that's the good place, which is a sitcom, and I

1024
00:49:13.500 --> 00:49:14.519
can't tell you very much about it.

1025
00:49:14.579 --> 00:49:17.820
It's an American network sitcom, but the basic premise is that a

1026
00:49:17.820 --> 00:49:20.820
young woman, a sort of rather horrible young woman has died.

1027
00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:24.960
She's found herself in the afterlife and realises fairly quickly

1028
00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:29.760
that she has been sent to heaven by mistake and should have been

1029
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:33.239
sent somewhere else instead to the bad place.

1030
00:49:33.300 --> 00:49:36.900
And so she has to hide that this sort of administrative era has

1031
00:49:36.900 --> 00:49:37.260
happened.

1032
00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:43.019
And it's um, Kristen Bell and Ted Dans and um, sitcom royalty Ted

1033
00:49:43.019 --> 00:49:44.760
Dans. don't think he's ever been better.

1034
00:49:44.820 --> 00:49:50.760
You'll see, he's in the 1st 4 minutes. the funniest, those that

1035
00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:52.920
cold open for the show is just such amazing.

1036
00:49:52.980 --> 00:49:54.360
It's wonderful, isn't it?

1037
00:49:54.420 --> 00:49:57.239
And it's, it sort of does have a kind of science fiction

1038
00:49:57.239 --> 00:49:59.760
sensibility in that it creates a weird world.

1039
00:49:59.820 --> 00:50:04.920
And it's so gleefully inventive and in how it takes you down

1040
00:50:04.920 --> 00:50:08.219
little rabbit holes that you don't you never you never have a

1041
00:50:08.219 --> 00:50:09.480
handle on what the show's going to be.

1042
00:50:09.539 --> 00:50:11.460
It's the narrative collapse show.

1043
00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:15.900
Like heaps of times an episode will end. and it won't be how we're

1044
00:50:15.900 --> 00:50:16.679
going to get out of this.

1045
00:50:16.739 --> 00:50:21.360
It's going to be how can we keep on telling stories in this show

1046
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:22.139
at all?

1047
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:25.199
Yeah, this universe has just been completely turned on his head.

1048
00:50:25.260 --> 00:50:30.539
It's also, I think you've made this point, and probably the AV

1049
00:50:30.539 --> 00:50:32.519
club has made this point and everything.

1050
00:50:32.579 --> 00:50:34.500
My husband has probably made this point.

1051
00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:39.360
It's that it made something funny out of philosophy.

1052
00:50:39.420 --> 00:50:39.960
Yeah.

1053
00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:45.179
You know, it took all these quite high philosophical concepts and

1054
00:50:45.179 --> 00:50:48.480
used them as the basis for a primetime comedies kind of

1055
00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:49.139
impressive.

1056
00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:50.760
It's really special.

1057
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:52.800
And it's come back for a 3rd season, really.

1058
00:50:52.860 --> 00:50:53.099
Yep.

1059
00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:20.519
Well, they listen up, we've just seen the next time trailer, and

1060
00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:23.940
looks like we'll be spending next week running around terrified of

1061
00:51:23.940 --> 00:51:26.280
a brass pepper pot armed with a sink plunger.

1062
00:51:26.340 --> 00:51:29.159
So do join us next week for Dalek.

1063
00:51:29.219 --> 00:51:32.579
In the meantime, you can find us at flightthroughentirety.com

1064
00:51:32.579 --> 00:51:36.239
flight through entirety on Facebook and Apple Podcasts and at FT

1065
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:37.380
podcast on Twitter.

1066
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:39.539
Where can people find you, Max?

1067
00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:41.639
At max underscore Gelbart?

1068
00:51:41.699 --> 00:51:43.199
Excellent. on Twitter.

1069
00:51:43.260 --> 00:51:43.739
Okay.

1070
00:51:43.860 --> 00:51:47.280
Over on Bondfinger, we're nearing the end or perhaps have reached

1071
00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:51.599
the end or may well and truly be past the end of the series of

1072
00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:54.420
Bond films, so you can find a range of commentaries there.

1073
00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:58.019
That's bondfinger.com, bondfinger on Facebook and Apple podcast

1074
00:51:58.079 --> 00:52:00.119
and at Bondfingercast on Twitter.

1075
00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:04.199
Until next time, may none of your government dossier is advocating

1076
00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:07.800
war against another country, be sexed up for public consumption.

1077
00:52:07.860 --> 00:52:09.539
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1078
00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:10.619
Good night.

1079
00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:11.159
Good night.

1080
00:52:14.219 --> 00:52:17.760
That was Flight Through Entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, Max

1081
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:19.380
Gel Barton, James Selwood.

1082
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:22.380
Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, Strings performance by Jane

1083
00:52:22.380 --> 00:52:23.099
Orberg.

1084
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:27.960
This episode, less bum shots, was recorded on the 8th of July 2018

1085
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:31.440
and released during my wedding on the 23rd of September.

1086
00:52:34.500 --> 00:52:38.699
This episode is dedicated to husband of the podcast Calvin Yeo

1087
00:52:38.699 --> 00:52:41.639
who's been surprisingly patient with my Doctor Who obsession over

1088
00:52:41.639 --> 00:52:45.239
the past 16.5 years, but who will never, ever listen to this

1089
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:45.599
podcast.

1090
00:52:48.659 --> 00:52:52.139
We still have Peaks of the Wii.

1091
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:52.679
Oh, yeah.

1092
00:52:53.039 --> 00:52:56.099
Well, if you want to do...

1093
00:52:56.099 --> 00:52:58.980
Something else to...

1094
00:52:58.980 --> 00:52:59.159
Yeah.

1095
00:52:59.219 --> 00:53:01.559
So I've got a point here.

1096
00:53:01.619 --> 00:53:04.980
The sort of thing are basically doing what the dominators wanted

1097
00:53:04.980 --> 00:53:05.340
to do.

1098
00:53:05.460 --> 00:53:07.019
Oh.

1099
00:53:07.019 --> 00:53:09.900
So, because we could drop that in.

1100
00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:11.880
But I think that's that important.

1101
00:53:11.940 --> 00:53:14.099
Um, It's terrible.

1102
00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:16.980
But do the microphone thing because this could be.

1103
00:53:17.099 --> 00:53:17.579
Okay, yeah.

1104
00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:19.920
Well, I haven't seen, I haven't seen it, but I was watching it, um

1105
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:23.340
one of the, what, people have sort of re-uploaded all the

1106
00:53:23.340 --> 00:53:24.420
featurestes onto YouTube.

1107
00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:25.019
Right.

1108
00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:27.179
And so I was watching a Doctor Who does politics.

1109
00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:28.199
I think it was a feat.

1110
00:53:28.260 --> 00:53:30.659
I can't remember which classic release they put it on.

1111
00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:35.039
But it's a it's a 45 documentary about politics in Doctor Who.

1112
00:53:35.099 --> 00:53:35.760
It's really good.

1113
00:53:35.820 --> 00:53:37.380
I think it's done by Nicholas Pegg.

1114
00:53:37.500 --> 00:53:37.860
Okay.

1115
00:53:37.860 --> 00:53:41.159
But it talks about how the Dominators is the most transparently

1116
00:53:41.159 --> 00:53:43.260
right wing Dr. King story that there is.

1117
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:45.239
I think the arc is pretty transparently.

1118
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:45.900
That's true.

1119
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:46.380
That's true.

1120
00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:50.639
But very counter revolution. you know, like sort of a bit turning

1121
00:53:50.639 --> 00:53:54.119
the nose down at, you know, hippies and, well, yeah, an anti

1122
00:53:53.460 --> 00:53:55.679
Vietnam war protest. horrible.

1123
00:53:55.739 --> 00:54:01.440
But it was, it was talking about, um, Aliens of London, World War

1124
00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:04.679
III, and then the Christmas invasion that sort of, that sort of

1125
00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:09.780
brings the Falklands, wore into it with Harriet's decision.

1126
00:54:09.900 --> 00:54:12.960
Yeah, to attack them as they're retreating.

1127
00:54:13.019 --> 00:54:17.880
But there's, yeah, so there's, and I think there's, I know if, I

1128
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:21.000
don't know if Russell T. Davis here is, is, is viewed much as

1129
00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:22.139
being particularly political.

1130
00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:26.519
I think people complain about or people my age tend to complain

1131
00:54:26.519 --> 00:54:29.820
about the Capolio of being the most like too political.

1132
00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:32.219
But I actually think I actually think there's no...

1133
00:54:32.340 --> 00:54:35.639
I think Matt Smith's era is pretty apolitical, but I think this is

1134
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:39.539
a clear effort in Russell T. Davis era and then, and then the

1135
00:54:39.539 --> 00:54:42.960
latest even offered to do, to engage a bit more with the current

1136
00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:45.119
current political...

1137
00:54:45.179 --> 00:54:48.119
I think we said it before, I think that, you know, like, if you're

1138
00:54:48.119 --> 00:54:51.659
not, like, apolitical art is just art in support of the status

1139
00:54:51.659 --> 00:54:52.320
quo.

1140
00:54:52.380 --> 00:54:53.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1141
00:54:53.219 --> 00:54:56.099
I think that's all good tag stuff actually.

1142
00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:01.860
Let's talk about the final scene.