WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-04 at 12:33:23 1 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:39.719 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety 2 00:00:39.719 --> 00:00:43.679 the only Doctor Who podcast, which triggers its info spike by 3 00:00:43.679 --> 00:00:46.979 Whistling 3 Guitars Mood 2, and we're doing it now. 4 00:00:47.039 --> 00:00:48.060 I'm Nathan. 5 00:00:48.119 --> 00:00:49.799 I'm Todd, and I'm Peter. 6 00:00:49.859 --> 00:00:50.159 Hello. 7 00:00:50.219 --> 00:00:53.039 Well, judging by the architecture, I'd say we're about the year 8 00:00:53.039 --> 00:00:53.939 200,000. 9 00:00:54.119 --> 00:00:57.179 Adam's still with us and someone really should think about turning 10 00:00:57.179 --> 00:00:58.079 the heating down. 11 00:00:58.140 --> 00:01:00.000 It's time for the long game. 12 00:01:15.060 --> 00:01:19.920 So, Peter, when this episode first came out, I had no idea what a 13 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:22.500 long game was, so perhaps you can explain it to us. 14 00:01:22.620 --> 00:01:26.219 A long game with someone who's keeping their eye on the future and 15 00:01:26.219 --> 00:01:29.879 I have no idea what the answer to that question is. 16 00:01:29.939 --> 00:01:30.840 How do you define a long game? 17 00:01:30.900 --> 00:01:34.500 Aren't they playing something that you don't actually see what's 18 00:01:34.500 --> 00:01:37.260 going on at this point in time, but they've got the eye on the 19 00:01:37.260 --> 00:01:39.420 prize, which might be 6 months a year down the track? 20 00:01:39.480 --> 00:01:43.379 and they're building things in the background and making little 21 00:01:43.379 --> 00:01:43.799 moves. 22 00:01:43.859 --> 00:01:47.819 And their moves are not really obvious to anyone else. but they 23 00:01:47.819 --> 00:01:49.379 know what they're doing and they're seeding the ground. 24 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:52.200 Yeah, and I think it's the production team, really, that's playing 25 00:01:52.200 --> 00:01:58.079 the long game here in that this is episode 7 and it's setting up a 26 00:01:58.079 --> 00:01:59.519 whole heap of stuff for episode 12. 27 00:01:59.879 --> 00:02:04.560 And in fact, the story kind of works on its own, but it is sort of 28 00:02:04.560 --> 00:02:09.719 a little bit low stakes, but in retrospect, it becomes vastly more 29 00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:10.800 important, I think. 30 00:02:10.860 --> 00:02:12.960 I have to say that I would agree. 31 00:02:13.020 --> 00:02:14.219 Like when I 1st watched this. 32 00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:19.139 This was probably my least favourite episode of this series, I 33 00:02:19.139 --> 00:02:20.099 don't think that anymore. 34 00:02:20.159 --> 00:02:25.919 And I think sandwiched between Dalek and Father's Day, which quite 35 00:02:25.919 --> 00:02:28.800 which have emotional stakes, quite emotional stakes, this doesn't 36 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:32.280 seem to have those stakes in in the same way, it's in any way 37 00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:32.819 shape or form. 38 00:02:32.879 --> 00:02:37.199 Obviously, in hindsight, you can see all the sets being reused 39 00:02:37.199 --> 00:02:40.860 from the finale, but also linking back to sort of platform one 40 00:02:40.860 --> 00:02:45.180 even in episode 2, sort of, you know, the space station, or the 41 00:02:45.180 --> 00:02:49.080 space platform outside the Earth's atmosphere, as far as 42 00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:51.780 Christopher Eccleston appears to get away from Earth during the 43 00:02:51.780 --> 00:02:55.139 entire run of his series, even though other things are mentioned. 44 00:02:55.199 --> 00:02:58.860 But it just sort of links everything from the beginning to the 45 00:02:58.860 --> 00:02:59.219 end. 46 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:03.539 And as you said, and as the name suggests, um, yeah, there's 47 00:03:03.539 --> 00:03:05.939 things going on here that we don't see until the finale. 48 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:09.960 I think there are rumours that this was a story that Russell had 49 00:03:09.960 --> 00:03:13.740 written a long time ago and perhaps even submitted. 50 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:15.300 Did I dream that? 51 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:16.620 Maybe I dreamt that. 52 00:03:16.680 --> 00:03:18.659 There's something along those lines. 53 00:03:18.719 --> 00:03:19.080 Yeah. 54 00:03:19.139 --> 00:03:20.879 But it is very trad. 55 00:03:20.939 --> 00:03:23.699 I mean, it's super old-fashioned. 56 00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:28.740 It doesn't look very expensive and it is completely studio bound. 57 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:31.860 It's a very sort of traditional Doctor Who story, I think. 58 00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:35.819 And it doesn't really participate in the ark as far as we can see 59 00:03:35.819 --> 00:03:36.780 up front. 60 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:41.400 It looks cheap Yeah, in fact, I remember being disappointed the 61 00:03:41.400 --> 00:03:42.180 1st time I saw it. 62 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:46.860 I went over to a friend of the podcast, Matthew Farrow's place to 63 00:03:46.860 --> 00:03:49.979 watch it because, you know, Doctor Who was back and we had the 64 00:03:49.979 --> 00:03:51.060 chance to watch it together. 65 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:54.479 And it was that thing where every new Doctor Who episode was 66 00:03:54.479 --> 00:03:56.159 absolutely crucial. 67 00:03:56.219 --> 00:03:59.699 You know, if there was a single terrible one, who knows the show 68 00:03:59.699 --> 00:04:00.900 might be cancelled again. 69 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:03.360 It was so important that it was good. 70 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:08.699 And I remember kind of feeling like I was forcing myself to say it 71 00:04:08.699 --> 00:04:09.360 was good. 72 00:04:09.419 --> 00:04:12.900 In retrospect, I think I've had the same journey as you in that I 73 00:04:12.900 --> 00:04:15.539 think it's much, much better than I thought it was the 1st time 74 00:04:15.539 --> 00:04:15.780 round. 75 00:04:15.900 --> 00:04:18.000 But that's what's cool about this episode as well. 76 00:04:18.060 --> 00:04:20.160 I mean, you mentioned kind of, you know, every episode was an 77 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:20.519 event. 78 00:04:20.579 --> 00:04:23.100 I think this is the 1st episode of New Doctor Who. 79 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:24.120 That's not an event. 80 00:04:24.180 --> 00:04:27.600 It's not, you know, Rose being introduced or going to the future 81 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:28.319 for the 1st time. 82 00:04:28.379 --> 00:04:31.920 It's not the Daleks coming back or a statement 2 parter. 83 00:04:31.980 --> 00:04:33.540 It's just an ordinary episode. 84 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:34.800 It's kind of daring to be average. 85 00:04:34.860 --> 00:04:35.459 Yeah. 86 00:04:35.579 --> 00:04:39.660 Yeah, I think we said last week that Dalek was kind of the start 87 00:04:39.660 --> 00:04:41.879 of a new kind of era for the show. 88 00:04:41.939 --> 00:04:45.660 It had done all of its initial things and shown us what sort of 89 00:04:45.660 --> 00:04:49.139 things it would do, the past, the future, you know, adventures on 90 00:04:49.139 --> 00:04:50.100 earth and things. 91 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:51.660 And then we have a break. 92 00:04:51.720 --> 00:04:54.000 It's the 1st story that doesn't really, you know, immediately 93 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:59.100 reference previous events that have gone on and it's our 1st story 94 00:04:59.100 --> 00:05:00.000 but it's so huge. 95 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:04.500 It's so important, Dalek, that this is kind of like, yeah, the 1st 96 00:05:04.500 --> 00:05:07.620 kind of regular Doctor Who episode. it's great for that. 97 00:05:11.699 --> 00:05:16.439 So let's talk a little bit about the beginning, because I think 98 00:05:16.439 --> 00:05:19.980 you've spotted something, Todd, which is that this is a redo of 99 00:05:19.980 --> 00:05:24.180 the end of the world, only with Rose as the doctor and Adam as the 100 00:05:24.180 --> 00:05:24.779 companion. 101 00:05:24.839 --> 00:05:30.120 And so they both come out of the TARDIS, the doctor and Rose, and 102 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:34.259 the doctor quickly briefs her about where we are, and then Adam 103 00:05:34.259 --> 00:05:37.860 comes out, Rose pretends that she knew all along where we were. 104 00:05:38.040 --> 00:05:40.920 We're sometime in the future, but because Rose isn't quite so good 105 00:05:40.920 --> 00:05:43.019 at being the doctor as the doctor is. 106 00:05:43.079 --> 00:05:47.459 It's only, you know, 200,000 years in the future rather than 107 00:05:47.459 --> 00:05:48.959 5000000000 years in the future. 108 00:05:49.019 --> 00:05:52.079 It's a much crappier space station. 109 00:05:52.139 --> 00:05:55.980 We get the shot of them looking out the window, you know, onto 110 00:05:55.980 --> 00:05:59.339 onto earth, just like in the end of the world. 111 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:01.259 And then of course, Adam faints. 112 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:03.120 That is comedy goal. 113 00:06:03.240 --> 00:06:06.060 He is such a good fainter, just that whole collapse. 114 00:06:06.120 --> 00:06:10.259 I just burst out laughing Every time I watch that and as the 115 00:06:10.259 --> 00:06:12.540 doctor says, he's your boyfriend. 116 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:14.759 Not anymore. just love it. 117 00:06:14.819 --> 00:06:17.939 The thing that's so perfect is that both of them fail completely 118 00:06:17.939 --> 00:06:19.980 to react at all to him fainting. 119 00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:23.759 Like they don't, you know, there's no eyebrow rays or anything 120 00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:26.819 they just deadpam their comedy lines immediately afterwards 121 00:06:26.819 --> 00:06:28.259 without realacting at all. 122 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:30.899 I think they've been watching Tams and Grieg in rehearsal. 123 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:32.339 Oh, yeah, let's do it like that. 124 00:06:33.660 --> 00:06:37.500 And of course, even after that, this is a thing that Russell does 125 00:06:37.500 --> 00:06:40.860 and he'll do it again in gridlock, where suddenly a whole heap of 126 00:06:40.860 --> 00:06:41.519 people appear. 127 00:06:41.579 --> 00:06:46.319 So the doctor and Rose and Adam get to explore the space, and it 128 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:50.579 looks deserted, and then suddenly all of those booths open and all 129 00:06:50.579 --> 00:06:53.339 of these people sort of come in and there's a whole heap of 130 00:06:53.339 --> 00:06:55.079 activity and we had it in the end of the world. 131 00:06:55.139 --> 00:06:57.839 He'll do it again in gridlock and he does it here. 132 00:06:57.839 --> 00:07:01.800 And it's, I think it's a, you know, a deliberate callback. 133 00:07:01.860 --> 00:07:04.920 It's almost as if that would be the end of episode one. 134 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:06.600 You know, it's like Ark in space. 135 00:07:06.660 --> 00:07:08.939 We get episode one where we wander around and kind of look at 136 00:07:08.939 --> 00:07:09.120 things. 137 00:07:09.180 --> 00:07:11.639 Convinced into the teaser, yeah. 138 00:07:11.639 --> 00:07:13.620 And then we get all of these people. 139 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:15.839 And it looks it looks cheap. 140 00:07:15.899 --> 00:07:16.620 They look cheap. 141 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:18.660 And those sets look so small. 142 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:24.000 Like, and they just reuse that area, you know, and redress it and 143 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:26.579 even the other white space where they lie down and get 144 00:07:26.579 --> 00:07:27.300 headspites. 145 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:29.040 Like that's redressed a couple of times. 146 00:07:29.100 --> 00:07:31.860 The director on this is Brian Grant. 147 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:34.259 Who the hell is Brian Grant people? 148 00:07:34.319 --> 00:07:35.639 I've never heard of him? 149 00:07:35.699 --> 00:07:37.620 He's never directed anything again? 150 00:07:37.680 --> 00:07:38.399 It's a legend. 151 00:07:38.459 --> 00:07:39.240 Is he? 152 00:07:39.300 --> 00:07:40.319 Absolutely. 153 00:07:40.379 --> 00:07:42.540 Do you not know his pedigree? 154 00:07:42.660 --> 00:07:44.519 I think he's in a terrible director. 155 00:07:44.579 --> 00:07:48.180 Oh, I think he's a marvellous director, but also he started off in 156 00:07:48.180 --> 00:07:48.899 music videos. 157 00:07:48.959 --> 00:07:52.079 He directed things like, um, I want to dance with somebody for 158 00:07:52.079 --> 00:07:56.459 Whitney Houston and private dancer for Tina Turner. pop music. 159 00:07:56.519 --> 00:07:57.839 Oh my. 160 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:00.959 He's got a proper pedigree and he's done loads of TV before he 161 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:01.379 came to this. 162 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:04.500 I think the reason he only did one episode is he's a bit above 163 00:08:04.500 --> 00:08:06.360 Doctor Who in his pay grade. 164 00:08:06.420 --> 00:08:07.500 Oh really? 165 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:10.319 Because I don't, I actually don't, I don't really like the 166 00:08:10.319 --> 00:08:11.639 direction in this quite a lot. 167 00:08:11.699 --> 00:08:16.199 I think it's, I just think that it's distant and I don't know. 168 00:08:16.259 --> 00:08:16.980 There's something about it. 169 00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:19.259 I really at times just think it's weak. 170 00:08:19.319 --> 00:08:23.100 It's hard to pin down what his style is, I think. 171 00:08:23.160 --> 00:08:26.819 It is very kind of season one Doctor Who direction. 172 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:27.120 I think. 173 00:08:27.180 --> 00:08:29.459 He's not clever with his camera work. 174 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:32.460 Like he's not sort of, you know, swoops and camera moves and 175 00:08:32.460 --> 00:08:32.700 everything. 176 00:08:32.759 --> 00:08:37.500 But what he does to is he makes the episode look a lot better than 177 00:08:37.500 --> 00:08:37.980 otherwise. 178 00:08:38.039 --> 00:08:39.539 What it could have looked like the Space Museum. 179 00:08:39.659 --> 00:08:41.279 Instead, it looks like leisure hive. 180 00:08:41.340 --> 00:08:44.340 And the reason is that he foregrounds a lot of objects and 181 00:08:44.340 --> 00:08:44.879 lights. 182 00:08:44.940 --> 00:08:47.879 And so when he's shooting things, you'll notice on a lot of shots 183 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:50.700 it's subliminal, you don't even notice it half the time. 184 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:53.340 He'll have the action in the background, he'll have shimmering 185 00:08:53.340 --> 00:08:56.279 lights in the foreground or an object which is out of focus in the 186 00:08:56.279 --> 00:09:00.720 foreground, which lends a lot of depth of field to the story. 187 00:09:00.779 --> 00:09:02.940 And I think without that, it would look like you were shooting in 188 00:09:02.940 --> 00:09:04.080 a corner of the studio. 189 00:09:04.139 --> 00:09:07.620 I do think that that scene with everyone sort of pouring in and 190 00:09:07.620 --> 00:09:11.759 buying Cronkburgers and things looks a lot busier and a lot more 191 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:13.500 populated than it probably was. 192 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:17.639 It is, and the few wide shots that you get, where you actually get 193 00:09:17.639 --> 00:09:19.620 to place where different things are on the set. 194 00:09:19.679 --> 00:09:23.399 So you'll get Rose and Adam sitting down and then you'll get the 195 00:09:23.399 --> 00:09:26.279 doctor with Cathica at the cash machine in the background. 196 00:09:26.340 --> 00:09:28.139 You realise they're only about 2 feet from each other. 197 00:09:28.139 --> 00:09:33.240 But, you know, like the Android invasion and East Hagborn, if 198 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:36.419 you've ever been there, it's one corner and it's made to look like 199 00:09:36.419 --> 00:09:39.000 an entire village and Brian Grant does the same thing. 200 00:09:39.059 --> 00:09:42.720 He turns this set, which is really very, very small, into quite a 201 00:09:42.720 --> 00:09:43.440 vast space. 202 00:09:43.500 --> 00:09:46.019 What Brian Grant is not is showy. 203 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:48.000 He doesn't impress you. 204 00:09:48.059 --> 00:09:51.059 He doesn't set out to impress you, but he just does a really good 205 00:09:51.059 --> 00:09:52.200 job under the radar. 206 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:54.059 Right, listeners. 207 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:54.899 I've just learned something. 208 00:09:54.960 --> 00:09:57.120 I have to go back and watch this episode again. 209 00:09:57.179 --> 00:09:59.580 See, I am open to new ideas. 210 00:09:59.639 --> 00:10:01.919 Maybe his direction isn't as bad as I thought. 211 00:10:01.980 --> 00:10:04.139 It is bad and I want to dance with somebody. 212 00:10:04.200 --> 00:10:07.379 I can tell you that because I've watched that video clip recently 213 00:10:07.379 --> 00:10:09.600 and it is shockingly awful. 214 00:10:09.779 --> 00:10:14.820 Especially Whitney Houston's little CSO Ed in the top of some 215 00:10:14.820 --> 00:10:17.399 stupid poll thing to the one side. 216 00:10:17.460 --> 00:10:18.840 You know what I'm talking about, Peter, don't you? 217 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:19.500 I do indeed. 218 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:20.039 Awful. 219 00:10:20.100 --> 00:10:21.659 But also, Toadie did some Kim Wild. 220 00:10:21.720 --> 00:10:22.799 I know you're a fan of Kim. 221 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:23.460 Yes, yes, yes. 222 00:10:23.519 --> 00:10:25.139 I'm not exactly sure. 223 00:10:25.620 --> 00:10:26.759 Well, there you go. 224 00:10:26.820 --> 00:10:29.820 Brian Branch has gone up in my opinion by 10 points. 225 00:10:29.879 --> 00:10:31.139 But also, he did a lot of drama. 226 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:33.360 He did things like bugs, and I think he might have done some 227 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:35.220 episodes of Highlander, actually. 228 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:39.899 And he did clocking off, which I'm going to guess is where Russell 229 00:10:39.899 --> 00:10:43.080 knew his work from because clocking off was written by Paul Abbott 230 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:45.539 who I think Russell Either Nose or his friends with. 231 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:48.059 He's another very, very good writer. 232 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:55.320 So he did shameless, for instance, and was slated to do episode 11 233 00:10:55.320 --> 00:10:59.519 this year. through episode 11 and I'm not entirely sure, but I 234 00:10:59.519 --> 00:11:02.820 think they might have been holding it open for him if he got the 235 00:11:02.820 --> 00:11:04.919 chance to do it because he's a very busy writer. 236 00:11:04.980 --> 00:11:06.360 And in the end he wasn't. 237 00:11:06.419 --> 00:11:08.279 So Russell ended up stepping into the void. 238 00:11:11.820 --> 00:11:17.820 It does have one link to the ongoing dialogue of things that it 239 00:11:17.820 --> 00:11:22.440 mentions the Bad Wolf Channel and the face of Beau is pregnant 240 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:23.220 right? 241 00:11:23.279 --> 00:11:24.120 Yeah, yeah. 242 00:11:24.179 --> 00:11:25.620 And so we have the face of Beau. 243 00:11:25.679 --> 00:11:29.159 And I don't know whether this is deliberate or not, but obviously 244 00:11:29.159 --> 00:11:32.519 the face of Beau, therefore, in the end of the world is over 245 00:11:32.519 --> 00:11:33.840 5000000000 years old. 246 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:37.379 And I don't know whether that was kind of a thing that he didn't 247 00:11:37.379 --> 00:11:38.700 think of or didn't care about. 248 00:11:38.759 --> 00:11:40.500 Yeah, well, that's right. 249 00:11:40.559 --> 00:11:43.440 And I think they're definitely trying to create a world. 250 00:11:43.500 --> 00:11:47.820 It's a difficult job in Doctor Who to do that because we're in a 251 00:11:47.820 --> 00:11:48.840 different place every week. 252 00:11:48.899 --> 00:11:52.500 But one of the things that season one does is create a whole 253 00:11:52.500 --> 00:11:55.019 universe for this story to take place in. 254 00:11:55.080 --> 00:11:58.679 Yeah, and I think the story does a really good job of Russell's 255 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:02.100 world building because what Russell does. 256 00:12:02.159 --> 00:12:05.820 His vision of the future is not Zog from the planet Zog. 257 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:09.779 It's people and then nature essentially unchanged throughout the 258 00:12:09.779 --> 00:12:10.440 millennia. 259 00:12:10.500 --> 00:12:14.100 And so it's ordinary people reacting to whatever unreal situation 260 00:12:14.100 --> 00:12:18.120 they've put in because it's 200,000 years in the future or 5000000 261 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:19.919 years in the future or whatever, 5 billion. 262 00:12:19.980 --> 00:12:23.340 And um, the long game sets a lot of that up. 263 00:12:23.399 --> 00:12:27.240 The long game is Russell's vision of the future and he adheres to 264 00:12:27.240 --> 00:12:30.779 that in kind of new earth and gridlock and all of those other 265 00:12:30.779 --> 00:12:31.919 future different stories. 266 00:12:31.980 --> 00:12:35.220 Well, even utopia, which is, you know, the very, very end of the 267 00:12:35.220 --> 00:12:38.399 future, the human race remains unchanged. 268 00:12:38.460 --> 00:12:41.759 It's not like Star Trek where we all kind of, you know, get rid of 269 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:45.120 money and greed and we're all sort of fabulous, enlightened 270 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:45.419 people. 271 00:12:45.480 --> 00:12:46.919 We're just people. 272 00:12:46.980 --> 00:12:50.159 And the other thing that Russell does with the future is he plays 273 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:51.720 it for comedy as well. 274 00:12:51.899 --> 00:12:55.080 And sort of fish out of water comedy and there's some great stuff 275 00:12:55.080 --> 00:12:55.740 here. 276 00:12:55.799 --> 00:12:59.580 The doctor compares time travel to going to Paris. 277 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:04.860 Uh, you know, tourism and next week, he'll compare sort of 1987 to 278 00:13:04.860 --> 00:13:05.700 the Isle of Wight. 279 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:08.340 You know, it's just tourism. 280 00:13:08.399 --> 00:13:13.620 And those scenes where that guy is selling them Cronk burgers. 281 00:13:14.940 --> 00:13:16.019 What did you just say? 282 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:16.919 No cheese. 283 00:13:17.820 --> 00:13:19.860 Kronk burgers. 284 00:13:19.919 --> 00:13:20.399 What a name. 285 00:13:20.460 --> 00:13:21.899 That would be 2 credits 20, love. 286 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:24.899 I love how he says sweetheart as well. 287 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:27.419 That's a particularly Russell thing, I think, calling people 288 00:13:27.419 --> 00:13:28.019 sweetheart. 289 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:30.360 Everything is that his thing is that he wants people at the end of 290 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:30.659 the line. 291 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:31.980 Doesn't want anyone at the start of line. 292 00:13:32.039 --> 00:13:33.120 Everyone has to go to the end of the line. 293 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:34.919 Yeah, he's really good. 294 00:13:34.980 --> 00:13:39.419 And Billy's delighted discovery. that her slush puppy is beef 295 00:13:39.419 --> 00:13:44.519 flavoured, which is just so deeply revolting sounding, but she's 296 00:13:44.519 --> 00:13:46.259 absolutely delighted by it. 297 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:49.980 You know, there's a real kind of fun to the whole sort of time 298 00:13:49.980 --> 00:13:52.379 travel thing which I think is really, really terrific. 299 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:56.039 Rose always gets into those kind of future flavours when she's in 300 00:13:56.039 --> 00:13:57.000 the impossible planet. 301 00:13:57.059 --> 00:14:00.179 She likes protein one with just a kicker 3 or something. 302 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:05.399 It reminds me of midnight where Sky and the doctor are wondering 303 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:08.820 whether they're having the chicken or the beef and he tastes it 304 00:14:08.820 --> 00:14:13.080 and decides that it's both, which is, again, just kind of deeply 305 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:16.559 revolting, I think, the taduck in a future. 306 00:14:16.620 --> 00:14:20.159 Yeah, that's right, or some gross hybrid of some kind. 307 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:23.580 That's the hybrid, the real hybrid. 308 00:14:32.220 --> 00:14:35.940 So, we get to meet a few characters here in Satellite 5. 309 00:14:36.179 --> 00:14:39.899 We've got Suki, Cattrell, whatever the rest of her name. 310 00:14:39.960 --> 00:14:41.159 Mick McGram Cantrell. 311 00:14:41.220 --> 00:14:41.639 Okay. 312 00:14:41.700 --> 00:14:43.500 And we've got Kafka. 313 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:44.759 Yeah, Kafka. 314 00:14:44.820 --> 00:14:45.480 Kathika. 315 00:14:45.539 --> 00:14:46.200 Kafka. 316 00:14:46.259 --> 00:14:46.919 Kafka. 317 00:14:48.419 --> 00:14:50.759 You know when you get one of those inserted. 318 00:14:50.820 --> 00:14:53.820 I really like how that's actually just a common future name 319 00:14:53.820 --> 00:14:56.940 because she has to specify that it's with a C, as if it was 320 00:14:56.940 --> 00:14:57.480 Catherine. 321 00:14:57.539 --> 00:14:59.039 It's kind of she's space Catherine. 322 00:14:59.340 --> 00:15:01.679 She's also space actor. 323 00:15:01.740 --> 00:15:04.200 She was one of the things I really disliked about this episode 324 00:15:04.200 --> 00:15:06.179 when I 1st watched it. 325 00:15:06.299 --> 00:15:10.620 I just thought that she just was so blank and emotionless. in her 326 00:15:10.620 --> 00:15:11.639 acting and very wooden. 327 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:14.100 Christine Adams plays her. 328 00:15:14.159 --> 00:15:18.360 But I've reevaluated that because I've watched her in, um, she's 329 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:21.299 the wife on Black Lightning, the CW Superheroes Show. 330 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:25.679 Okay. which they're just filming season 2 of as we record this. 331 00:15:25.740 --> 00:15:27.600 And I really like her in that. 332 00:15:27.659 --> 00:15:30.120 And she plays all the emotional stuff really well. 333 00:15:30.179 --> 00:15:33.539 So when I came back to watch this, her performances the one that I 334 00:15:33.539 --> 00:15:36.179 was most intrigued at to see whether or not I felt that she was 335 00:15:36.179 --> 00:15:39.179 doing more than the 1st time around, and I think she is doing a 336 00:15:39.179 --> 00:15:39.600 lot more. 337 00:15:39.659 --> 00:15:43.320 Perhaps my eye was drawn to Suki because like she's the one that 338 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:46.440 gets promoted and is pretending to be somebody she's not and 339 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:47.820 driving that part of the plot. 340 00:15:47.879 --> 00:15:52.200 But I really do like Christine's performance in this as this 341 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:55.500 character that wants to be promoted, you know, and is desperate 342 00:15:55.500 --> 00:15:59.399 for that promotion, but ultimately has to face up to the reality 343 00:15:59.399 --> 00:16:00.720 of things and actually save the day. 344 00:16:00.779 --> 00:16:04.980 I think she does a great job too, because she's a journalist, of 345 00:16:04.980 --> 00:16:08.820 course, you know, despite all that sort of space brainhead thing 346 00:16:08.820 --> 00:16:11.580 the job that she has is journalism. 347 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:15.899 And she hasn't even thought to look into the 1st thing that Rose 348 00:16:15.899 --> 00:16:20.940 notices when she gets off the TARDIS, which is that it's hot in 349 00:16:20.940 --> 00:16:21.240 here. 350 00:16:21.299 --> 00:16:21.960 Why? 351 00:16:22.019 --> 00:16:24.779 And it's never occurred to her to investigate it. 352 00:16:24.840 --> 00:16:30.240 And, um, I think that there's more to this story than their 1st 353 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:33.480 appears because I think it is just very definitely a story about 354 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:35.399 Fox, Fox News. 355 00:16:35.460 --> 00:16:37.440 And I think that that's where Bad Wolf comes from. 356 00:16:37.500 --> 00:16:39.720 Like the name Bad Wolf comes from this story. 357 00:16:39.720 --> 00:16:44.399 And, you know, 90 years later, the Bad Wolf are still in charge. 358 00:16:44.460 --> 00:16:50.639 And what we have is a world where a consortium of banks controls 359 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:56.159 all of humanity, frightens them, makes them xenophobic. 360 00:16:56.220 --> 00:17:00.000 You notice there's a sort of budget saving measure of not having 361 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:03.779 any aliens because we used all our aliens in the end of the world 362 00:17:03.779 --> 00:17:05.579 but he lampshades it. 363 00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:09.240 The reason there are no aliens is because satellite 5 is producing 364 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:15.660 a kind of journalism that causes fear and xenophobia and seduces 365 00:17:15.660 --> 00:17:19.740 people into not asking why things are the way they are. 366 00:17:19.859 --> 00:17:26.099 So for instance, you know, Max, the Jagrafess is named after Max 367 00:17:26.099 --> 00:17:29.460 Hastings, who was, you know, longtime editor-in-chief of the Daily 368 00:17:29.460 --> 00:17:30.299 Telegraph. 369 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:35.099 And he is the boss and he sends heat downwards, you know, like he 370 00:17:35.099 --> 00:17:38.279 makes it a hot environment to work in. 371 00:17:38.339 --> 00:17:41.039 And he's controlling humanity. 372 00:17:41.099 --> 00:17:43.559 And at this point, there's no idea that they're the Dalek's doing 373 00:17:43.559 --> 00:17:43.920 it. 374 00:17:43.920 --> 00:17:47.220 When we're asked who it is, It's a consortium of banks. 375 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:52.200 You know, it's the rich who are allowing this kind of journalism 376 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:56.759 to keep humanity under control to stop them from asking why things 377 00:17:56.759 --> 00:17:59.279 are the way they are, why things are going wrong. 378 00:17:59.339 --> 00:18:00.720 Spread and circuses. 379 00:18:00.779 --> 00:18:01.140 Yeah. 380 00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:04.380 But it's really interesting, like, like all that you've just said 381 00:18:04.380 --> 00:18:05.880 back in 2005. 382 00:18:06.059 --> 00:18:10.920 And then what's happening now with Trump, you know, the quote here 383 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:13.319 create a climate of fear, easy to keep borders closed. 384 00:18:13.380 --> 00:18:14.880 It's happening now. 385 00:18:14.940 --> 00:18:17.759 Well, you watch this episode now and it feels really on the nose 386 00:18:17.759 --> 00:18:18.779 but 10 years ago. 387 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:20.160 Yeah, yeah. 388 00:18:20.220 --> 00:18:20.880 It wasn't. 389 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:23.279 I mean, things weren't quite what they were, and the whole idea 390 00:18:23.279 --> 00:18:27.599 that you have in America, a whole sort of subset of the population 391 00:18:27.599 --> 00:18:32.640 who listened to, you know, news beaming direct out of satellite 5 392 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:34.740 and believe everything that they hear. 393 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:39.779 And you've got a president who encourages that and constantly 394 00:18:39.779 --> 00:18:43.319 dismisses other news sources as being fake. 395 00:18:43.380 --> 00:18:47.519 This is much, much more timely now. 396 00:18:47.579 --> 00:18:49.619 And you really believe that Trump's Twitter feed comes direct from 397 00:18:49.619 --> 00:18:50.279 satellite 5. 398 00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:56.400 It's just that sort of inchoate roaring coming from the ceiling. 399 00:18:57.660 --> 00:18:59.339 Don't look up. 400 00:19:04.140 --> 00:19:10.079 What do you think of the actual effects of the monster, like that 401 00:19:10.079 --> 00:19:11.519 giant... 402 00:19:11.519 --> 00:19:12.299 What do we call it? 403 00:19:12.359 --> 00:19:16.559 Well, I think the fun thing about it is, you know the story about 404 00:19:16.559 --> 00:19:20.940 the drashings being called Dishrags by Bob Holmes, because he just 405 00:19:20.940 --> 00:19:23.759 expected they would be massively poorly realised. 406 00:19:23.819 --> 00:19:28.319 I think that Russell calls the Jaggerfest something that makes a 407 00:19:28.319 --> 00:19:29.279 rotten foe. 408 00:19:29.339 --> 00:19:33.299 You know, like the Jagrafess of the holy hydrojassic maxa roden 409 00:19:33.299 --> 00:19:33.599 foe. 410 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:39.119 I think it's very, very deliberately him saying it's going to be a 411 00:19:39.119 --> 00:19:39.900 bit crap. 412 00:19:39.960 --> 00:19:43.440 And the meal is just bringing their A game to it. 413 00:19:43.500 --> 00:19:46.980 You know, it's a labour of love and I think it's better than we 414 00:19:46.980 --> 00:19:48.180 had any right to expect. 415 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:50.579 So I think it looks really great. 416 00:19:50.640 --> 00:19:54.900 But, you know, it's cheap to get the ceiling and replace it. 417 00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:58.859 You know how in in the TV movie. 418 00:19:58.920 --> 00:20:02.940 You've got the ceiling of the TARDIS is just replaced by, you know 419 00:20:02.940 --> 00:20:03.960 visual effects and stuff. 420 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:05.819 And you could do that because there's nothing in the way. 421 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:07.619 You don't have to mat around anything. 422 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:08.880 It's simpler. 423 00:20:08.940 --> 00:20:13.079 So having it on the ceiling, I think, is a budget saving measure 424 00:20:13.079 --> 00:20:16.799 and I think that they didn't expect it to turn out as well as it 425 00:20:16.799 --> 00:20:17.339 did. 426 00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:21.059 I think Max is a pretty good effect, but what on does it slightly 427 00:20:21.059 --> 00:20:21.960 is the perspective. 428 00:20:22.019 --> 00:20:26.039 So you get those low angle shots with Billy and the doctor in 429 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:28.920 front and Max above them and the perspective doesn't look quite 430 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:29.160 right. 431 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:31.140 It seems like it's higher up. 432 00:20:31.200 --> 00:20:35.279 When Simon Pegg is looking up and talking to it, the camera seems 433 00:20:35.279 --> 00:20:40.380 further away from him than the effect kind of does. 434 00:20:40.440 --> 00:20:42.599 And you've got a lot of people walking into this room where 435 00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:46.680 there's a sort of big blobhead thing on the ceiling and no one 436 00:20:46.680 --> 00:20:48.420 looks up or even seems to notice. 437 00:20:48.539 --> 00:20:50.759 Well, I didn't notice when we walked in today. 438 00:20:50.819 --> 00:20:51.420 I mean what's that? 439 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:55.799 Yeah, I really need to do something about that. 440 00:20:56.339 --> 00:20:58.740 What do you think of Simon Pegg? 441 00:20:58.799 --> 00:21:01.319 Um, truthfully, he's not my favourite part of the episode. 442 00:21:01.380 --> 00:21:06.119 I think in an amazing guest cast for what's not an event episode 443 00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:07.680 he's probably the least of them. 444 00:21:07.740 --> 00:21:09.420 And that's fine. 445 00:21:09.420 --> 00:21:10.500 I have that opinion, Peter. 446 00:21:11.700 --> 00:21:13.740 Why are you laughing, Nathan? 447 00:21:13.859 --> 00:21:15.539 Am I just gonna dismiss Peter's opinion? 448 00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:16.859 Like, I actually quite like him. 449 00:21:16.920 --> 00:21:20.160 But initially, no, I didn't really know who he was. 450 00:21:20.220 --> 00:21:23.700 Like, I think he'd done, had he done the Star Trek movies or the 451 00:21:23.700 --> 00:21:25.079 Mission Impossible stuff by this stage? 452 00:21:25.140 --> 00:21:25.500 No. 453 00:21:25.500 --> 00:21:25.740 No. 454 00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:28.019 No, he Don Shaun of the Dead, which was quite a big hit. 455 00:21:28.140 --> 00:21:29.160 And spaced. 456 00:21:29.220 --> 00:21:30.059 Spaced, yeah. 457 00:21:30.180 --> 00:21:31.559 Okay, which neither of which I'd seen. 458 00:21:31.619 --> 00:21:33.599 So I knew the name, but I didn't really know him. 459 00:21:33.660 --> 00:21:37.079 So, but I quite liked his sort of like, you know, I'm the editor. 460 00:21:37.079 --> 00:21:38.460 What is he? 461 00:21:38.460 --> 00:21:39.480 He's not editor in chief, is he? 462 00:21:39.599 --> 00:21:40.440 No, he's the editor. 463 00:21:40.500 --> 00:21:41.640 He's the editor. editor. 464 00:21:41.700 --> 00:21:43.680 I liked the fact that we had this human person controlling things 465 00:21:43.680 --> 00:21:46.920 and you knew that there was somebody above and I quite liked his 466 00:21:46.920 --> 00:21:47.880 performance in it. 467 00:21:47.940 --> 00:21:50.220 I mean, I think, is it Tens and Greg? 468 00:21:50.279 --> 00:21:52.500 Oh, yeah, she steals the episode, but... 469 00:21:52.500 --> 00:21:53.640 She steals the season, I think. 470 00:21:53.640 --> 00:21:54.180 She's incredible. 471 00:21:54.240 --> 00:21:55.680 She steals anything she's in. 472 00:21:55.740 --> 00:21:58.500 No, I thought he I actually quite liked him. 473 00:21:58.559 --> 00:22:00.480 Yes, no, he's all right. 474 00:22:00.539 --> 00:22:02.700 I just I don't think he's the best part of the episode. 475 00:22:02.759 --> 00:22:05.640 It is a classic kind of Holmesian villain, I think. 476 00:22:05.700 --> 00:22:09.960 Like someone who is sort of technocratic and has, you know, a 477 00:22:09.960 --> 00:22:13.259 bunch of people, sort of pushing buttons and things, but he also 478 00:22:13.259 --> 00:22:16.500 has someone above him whom he has to be kind of obsequious too. 479 00:22:16.559 --> 00:22:21.059 So it is, it's a little bit like uh, gatherer Hade from the sun 480 00:22:21.059 --> 00:22:24.539 makers, only not quite so big, uh, a performance. 481 00:22:24.599 --> 00:22:28.079 And it's done by a really, really talented comic actor. 482 00:22:28.140 --> 00:22:30.660 And it is massive overcasting too, isn't it? 483 00:22:31.440 --> 00:22:33.839 But the whole episode is massive overcasting. 484 00:22:33.900 --> 00:22:36.720 So you get someone like Anna Maxwell Martin who plays Suki. 485 00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:40.140 And she's now, I would say, as famous as David Tennant in 486 00:22:40.140 --> 00:22:40.500 Britain. 487 00:22:40.559 --> 00:22:41.880 She's huge, isn't she? 488 00:22:41.940 --> 00:22:42.720 Probably she? 489 00:22:42.779 --> 00:22:43.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 490 00:22:43.500 --> 00:22:44.039 What has she done? 491 00:22:44.160 --> 00:22:45.779 So she did Pembley. 492 00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:50.160 She was Elizabeth Bennett in the sort of BBC's sequel to Pride and 493 00:22:50.160 --> 00:22:53.339 Prejudice, which was based on a novel by PD James, I think. 494 00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:57.359 And directly after this, she was the star of the BBC adaptation of 495 00:22:57.359 --> 00:22:59.940 Bleak House, which was absolutely amazing. 496 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:03.119 It was made in half hour chunks. and was just a fantastic 497 00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:07.259 adaptation and went out after EastEnders, I think, in half hour 498 00:23:07.259 --> 00:23:10.500 chunks, or underlining the parallels between like the soaps of the 499 00:23:10.500 --> 00:23:12.839 day and, you know, Dickens. 500 00:23:12.900 --> 00:23:17.339 But she is, yeah, she's done a 1000000 drama series and won a 501 00:23:17.339 --> 00:23:20.339 1000000 awards and, you know, she's not a Carrie Mulligan or Andy 502 00:23:20.339 --> 00:23:21.480 Garfield, but she's not far off. 503 00:23:21.539 --> 00:23:24.960 I really like her and I really like when I initially watched this 504 00:23:24.960 --> 00:23:25.619 straight away. 505 00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:29.220 She was the one character on this station that I that I sort of 506 00:23:29.220 --> 00:23:30.599 felt connected to. 507 00:23:30.660 --> 00:23:34.019 I think the actor who plays Catholica, very deliberately lets her 508 00:23:34.019 --> 00:23:37.740 be foregrounded because we are going to follow her. 509 00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:41.880 Because the other thing about this story is, I think it's designed 510 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:44.700 to give Chris and Billy a break. 511 00:23:44.759 --> 00:23:46.259 Yeah, they're backgrounded, aren't they? 512 00:23:46.319 --> 00:23:47.759 They're not in it all that much. 513 00:23:47.819 --> 00:23:50.819 And we've already had that thing and we'll see it again next week 514 00:23:50.819 --> 00:23:54.779 where the doctor's job isn't so much to solve the problem as to 515 00:23:54.779 --> 00:23:56.880 inspire someone else to solve the problem. 516 00:23:56.940 --> 00:24:01.799 And that structure allows them to just have a sort of few scenes. 517 00:24:01.859 --> 00:24:05.700 And so Suki actually drives the episode for a good sort of 5 518 00:24:05.700 --> 00:24:09.539 minutes when she goes up to floor 500 and we kind of discover 519 00:24:09.539 --> 00:24:11.880 what's really happening through her eyes. 520 00:24:11.940 --> 00:24:14.880 And the doctor and Rose kind of know that they've been 521 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:15.900 backgrounded in the story. 522 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:17.880 They just kind of amble around and then decide to do something 523 00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:18.359 about it. 524 00:24:18.420 --> 00:24:22.859 They sort of turn up, eat a Cronkberger, watch demonstration, go 525 00:24:22.859 --> 00:24:25.440 upstairs and get slobbed on by Max, which is, you know, just a 526 00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:26.400 Saturday night. 527 00:24:27.480 --> 00:24:30.900 Yes, listeners, I believe that is true. 528 00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:32.400 I have witnessed that. 529 00:24:41.460 --> 00:24:44.640 There's one thing that does annoy me is the fact that Max dies 530 00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:46.259 because it gets too hot, right? 531 00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:48.000 and just falls apart like within seconds. 532 00:24:48.059 --> 00:24:52.920 Heaven forbid anything would ever go wrong with the actual cooling 533 00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:53.880 system at any point. 534 00:24:53.940 --> 00:24:57.660 But when Suki goes up and she fires her stays up. 535 00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:00.900 Like, he's immune to that, obviously, you know? 536 00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:03.119 just kind of get a bit sort of like, really? 537 00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:03.839 Like, okay. 538 00:25:03.900 --> 00:25:08.640 I think that the heat thing is a simple kind of solution, but it 539 00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:11.460 is also doing some kind of metaphorical job as well. 540 00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:15.839 I do love how he looks like he's crapping himself when he gets 541 00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:16.740 on. 542 00:25:16.799 --> 00:25:20.279 And like all of these chunks are falling down and it's all... 543 00:25:22.140 --> 00:25:26.519 It is such a great character design with the teeth and the way the 544 00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:30.240 jaws snap, you know, like it's super, super angry and it super 545 00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:35.099 fits with the just the sort of incoherent growling noise that it 546 00:25:35.099 --> 00:25:37.559 makes when it speaks, which I just think is really terrific. 547 00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:40.140 You'd be angry if you were stuck on the ceiling all the time. 548 00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:41.220 It is funny. 549 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:44.279 It is parallel back to episode one where the doctor talks to the 550 00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:48.299 nesting consciousness and it goes and the doctor can talk to it. 551 00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:52.380 Here, he can talk to Max and nobody else understands, you know 552 00:25:52.380 --> 00:25:52.920 what's going on. 553 00:25:52.980 --> 00:25:55.980 It's interesting as well because what I thought was one of the 554 00:25:55.980 --> 00:26:00.059 deficiencies in rows was that when they're talking to the nestine 555 00:26:00.059 --> 00:26:02.519 and it's basically not talking back, you don't get a doctor 556 00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:05.099 villain confrontation in the traditional sense. 557 00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:07.920 And what I thought you really needed there was like a Channing 558 00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:10.680 character from Spearhead from Space, which is putting the human 559 00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:14.339 face on the villain, enabling a conversation with the doctor. 560 00:26:14.339 --> 00:26:17.519 In the long game, you get that because you've got the editor 561 00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:18.299 there. 562 00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:20.700 And so the editor is fulfilling the confrontation role. 563 00:26:20.700 --> 00:26:21.839 And so it works a lot better. 564 00:26:21.900 --> 00:26:24.359 And it's a great confrontation because he doesn't know who they 565 00:26:24.359 --> 00:26:26.099 are for a lot of it. 566 00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:30.299 And then all of a sudden it all just kicks, kicks in with Adam and 567 00:26:30.299 --> 00:26:30.839 his spike. 568 00:26:30.900 --> 00:26:34.140 So perhaps we should talk about his little subplot and what's 569 00:26:34.140 --> 00:26:34.680 going on with him. 570 00:26:34.740 --> 00:26:37.740 The idea was that this was the companion that would fail. 571 00:26:37.859 --> 00:26:39.779 Yeah, companion who couldn't. 572 00:26:39.900 --> 00:26:42.960 And I really loved him in the previous episode. 573 00:26:43.019 --> 00:26:45.960 Like you're supposed to, you know, I really thought he was cute 574 00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:48.119 and sort of, you know, great, come on board. 575 00:26:48.180 --> 00:26:51.240 And then when he faints, you just kind of get this feeling, oh, you 576 00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:54.720 know, there's a bit of an unease and then he needs to go off by 577 00:26:54.720 --> 00:26:55.079 himself. 578 00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:59.579 You go ahead and when he takes Rose's phone, there's a look and 579 00:26:59.579 --> 00:27:03.240 you just kind of, yes, it's all just about to go a little bit pear 580 00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:03.660 shaped. 581 00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:07.079 I mean, it's that thing that you have to do at the very end of the 582 00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:09.900 cold open is the most important part of the episode. 583 00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:12.480 That's when you say what the episode's going to be about. 584 00:27:12.539 --> 00:27:15.119 And so that's when he fails. 585 00:27:15.180 --> 00:27:19.140 So we know that he's going to fail, and one of his jobs is to take 586 00:27:19.140 --> 00:27:23.700 a lot of the load off Chris and Billy so that we have another plot 587 00:27:23.700 --> 00:27:26.759 because there's a problem with having a doctor and a companion 588 00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:27.420 isn't there? 589 00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:31.980 that you do want to split the plot up, like we will do, say, in 590 00:27:31.980 --> 00:27:34.259 the empty child in a couple of weeks time. 591 00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:36.960 But the problem with that is then you don't get to see the doctor 592 00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:39.359 and the companion interact for a whole episode. 593 00:27:39.420 --> 00:27:43.799 And so we still get to see the doctor and Rose solve the problem 594 00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:45.359 or investigate the problem. 595 00:27:45.420 --> 00:27:48.900 But then we get this sort of whole world building thing with Adam 596 00:27:48.900 --> 00:27:51.900 and this sort of, I mean, it's a comedy someplot, isn't it? 597 00:27:52.019 --> 00:27:52.920 It is. 598 00:27:52.980 --> 00:27:57.779 And he gets to go and get something put in his head. 599 00:27:58.440 --> 00:28:01.019 I like the fact that he's a bit useless. 600 00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:03.960 He does what I think most people would do in that situation. 601 00:28:04.019 --> 00:28:06.480 They'd be thinking of a way of profiting from it. 602 00:28:06.539 --> 00:28:08.039 They think, oh, look at this great technology. 603 00:28:08.099 --> 00:28:09.779 Wow, I can make a huge amount of money from this. 604 00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:10.680 Yeah. 605 00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:14.400 And, um, I like the fact that he's fails. 606 00:28:14.460 --> 00:28:18.480 He's kind of like Dodo, without the groovy toy maker outfits or 607 00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:19.319 the syphilis. 608 00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:24.480 But yeah, I like his role in things. 609 00:28:24.539 --> 00:28:26.099 And I like the fact that he's an every man. 610 00:28:26.220 --> 00:28:28.859 Yeah, and I think it's set up quite well. 611 00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:33.299 I mean, last week, you know, he was in the employ of Van Staten. 612 00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:36.900 He was kind of hiding artefacts from him, like he had a collection 613 00:28:36.900 --> 00:28:39.599 of guns that he hadn't told Van Staten about. 614 00:28:39.660 --> 00:28:45.359 He was slightly problematic, you know, he was kind of the 615 00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:49.559 villain's henchman in a way. and bringing him on board and having 616 00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:52.980 him be kind of venal and seeking to profit. 617 00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:57.059 And that whole thing is so wonderfully done because, you know, he 618 00:28:57.059 --> 00:29:00.720 gets Rose's phone and rings his parents. 619 00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:04.200 And they have an answering machine and I think I'll have to 620 00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:06.240 explain in the show notes what one of those is. 621 00:29:06.299 --> 00:29:10.140 But those scenes are just wonderful. 622 00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:12.839 And the thing that makes them wonderful is that little dog. 623 00:29:12.900 --> 00:29:16.619 That little dog, those seats would have been deadly boring, you 624 00:29:16.619 --> 00:29:20.880 know, because it's just an answering machine on a table and we're 625 00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:22.559 listening to Adam Speak. 626 00:29:22.619 --> 00:29:26.099 But the fact that the dog hears Adam's voice and reacts to it and 627 00:29:26.099 --> 00:29:29.099 runs in and sort of jumps up on the table is really terrific. 628 00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:31.140 It just is a little clever. 629 00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:35.400 I don't know whether it's Russell's or the director's idea, but it 630 00:29:35.400 --> 00:29:38.640 just adds a little bit of interest in humanity to those scenes. 631 00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:42.539 And certainly when we get there at the end, you know, when we get 632 00:29:42.539 --> 00:29:45.779 back to Adam's place, it's just a normal suburban house. 633 00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:49.440 He's just a kid from the not too distant future, just an ordinary 634 00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:50.099 English kid. 635 00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:51.539 It's cute, I think. 636 00:29:55.200 --> 00:30:00.420 So, of course, he ends up on floor 16 for medical and meets the 637 00:30:00.420 --> 00:30:01.619 wonderful Tens and Greg. 638 00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:02.220 Who does she play? 639 00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:03.119 What is her character's name? 640 00:30:03.180 --> 00:30:04.380 Oh, the nurse, I think. 641 00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:05.160 Just the nurse. 642 00:30:05.220 --> 00:30:05.759 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 643 00:30:05.819 --> 00:30:08.339 But I just love all of the conversation with her. 644 00:30:08.339 --> 00:30:10.259 It's sort of like, who are you? 645 00:30:10.259 --> 00:30:13.920 And then her entire performance is based on looks, little looks. 646 00:30:14.039 --> 00:30:16.680 Yeah, and it's sort of like you from what? 647 00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:17.099 Mars? 648 00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:18.119 Has something to do with that? 649 00:30:18.180 --> 00:30:20.700 Yeah, the University of Mars or something he guesses that that 650 00:30:20.700 --> 00:30:21.720 must be a university. 651 00:30:21.779 --> 00:30:23.460 Maybe he watched Futurama or something. 652 00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:28.140 But it's almost like he's having 2nd thoughts, like, you know, but 653 00:30:28.140 --> 00:30:31.859 she just keeps next to question, then he goes back, there's 654 00:30:31.859 --> 00:30:34.680 hesitation, but it just sort of comes together, you know, with the 655 00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:36.480 unlimited... like a seduction between them. 656 00:30:36.539 --> 00:30:37.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 657 00:30:37.500 --> 00:30:39.599 It's really well structured. 658 00:30:39.660 --> 00:30:42.900 Just keeps dragging back just when you think they're going to, he's 659 00:30:42.900 --> 00:30:43.380 going to give up. 660 00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:45.660 No, drags you back in, drags you back in. 661 00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:47.759 But also, this comes down to the performance as well, because 662 00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:51.119 Tamzungri is, you know, a master of that kind of drawl delivery. 663 00:30:51.180 --> 00:30:54.779 Yeah, just absolutely deadpan, you know, really. 664 00:30:54.779 --> 00:31:00.119 Even the absurd comic moment with the vomiter massic, which is so 665 00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:01.259 wonderfully stupid. 666 00:31:01.380 --> 00:31:02.640 Brilliant, double taker. 667 00:31:02.700 --> 00:31:05.700 I just love that, the vomitomatic. 668 00:31:05.700 --> 00:31:06.960 It's still that too, you know? 669 00:31:07.019 --> 00:31:10.500 It's just so silly, but it just brings a smile to my face. 670 00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:15.359 It's Russell doing the future for laughs, which he tends to do. 671 00:31:15.420 --> 00:31:17.880 And it super humiliates Adam. 672 00:31:17.940 --> 00:31:20.700 You know, like he ends up with a sort of spike, the info spike in 673 00:31:20.700 --> 00:31:21.059 his head. 674 00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:25.559 But this just incredibly stupid moment where he sort of vomits up 675 00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:30.059 an ice cube and that's clearly that's what he's left with from now 676 00:31:30.059 --> 00:31:33.539 on, you know, like whenever he vomits, it'll just be a neat little 677 00:31:33.539 --> 00:31:35.819 ice cube that he can sort of quickly dispose of. 678 00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:41.700 It's interesting that they say, Nathan, that his spike is set to 679 00:31:41.700 --> 00:31:44.579 the default, which is the click of the fingers. 680 00:31:44.700 --> 00:31:48.720 So how does one change that default? 681 00:31:48.779 --> 00:31:49.440 There must be a way. 682 00:31:49.500 --> 00:31:50.579 There's an iPhone app. 683 00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:52.380 But of course, he never discovers that. 684 00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:54.720 So if he's stuck with his hole in the head, he has a button in the 685 00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:55.200 back of his head. 686 00:31:55.619 --> 00:31:58.559 When we never do find out, you know? 687 00:31:58.619 --> 00:32:02.579 It is such a great closing gag as well. 688 00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:06.059 On new to who they always talk about the BBC crap joke at the end 689 00:32:06.059 --> 00:32:08.700 of a Doctor Who story. you know, every so often. 690 00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:13.079 Like the worst one, I think, is Seeds of Doom, like the most 691 00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:16.380 embarrassing crap joke at the end of the story. 692 00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:20.640 But this is so wonderfully done because I think that you can just 693 00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:24.599 about see it coming because she starts to say something that's 694 00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:27.539 going to require a click of the fingers so you can just about see 695 00:32:27.539 --> 00:32:28.019 it coming. 696 00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:29.339 She clicks her fingers. 697 00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:30.359 We don't see it. 698 00:32:30.420 --> 00:32:31.559 We hear the sound. 699 00:32:31.619 --> 00:32:32.940 We don't cut to him. 700 00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:34.920 So they save money on the effect. 701 00:32:34.980 --> 00:32:39.299 But what they get is the mother's just absolutely superb reaction 702 00:32:39.299 --> 00:32:42.599 and it's so brilliantly timed straight into the credits. 703 00:32:42.660 --> 00:32:45.720 And I think it's the only time this season where we end on just an 704 00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:46.920 outright gag. 705 00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:49.079 And I think it works just wonderfully well. 706 00:32:49.140 --> 00:32:51.960 Yeah, it sort of catches the tone of the entire episode. 707 00:32:52.019 --> 00:32:54.000 It is a stunning ending. 708 00:32:54.059 --> 00:32:57.000 I just I just watched it to get to that point to see her 709 00:32:57.000 --> 00:32:57.720 reaction. 710 00:32:57.779 --> 00:32:59.759 I just think it's so clever and it's just brilliant. 711 00:32:59.819 --> 00:33:00.839 I really, really love that. 712 00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:04.200 And I love all the stuff before that with the doctor and then, of 713 00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:05.339 course, Rose, you know. 714 00:33:05.339 --> 00:33:08.700 Oh, they're torturing him by repeatedly clicking their fingers and 715 00:33:08.700 --> 00:33:09.240 stuff. 716 00:33:09.299 --> 00:33:10.319 Yeah. 717 00:33:10.380 --> 00:33:11.160 It's interesting. 718 00:33:11.220 --> 00:33:16.740 You were talking about dodo previously, like how poor syphilitic 719 00:33:16.740 --> 00:33:17.339 dodo. 720 00:33:18.420 --> 00:33:22.200 Here, Adam sort of, you know, he's the dodo. 721 00:33:22.259 --> 00:33:25.380 He talks about being in the Tartars, but we never get to see that 722 00:33:25.380 --> 00:33:25.740 reaction. 723 00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:28.500 It's not missing a trick, right? 724 00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:33.299 It's because he's a failure as a companion, that we never go there 725 00:33:33.299 --> 00:33:37.259 but the potential was to have somebody else new in the TARDIS to 726 00:33:37.259 --> 00:33:40.440 see their reaction, but it's not the point of this at all. 727 00:33:40.500 --> 00:33:43.259 Do you think it would have given him added legitimacy if we'd seen 728 00:33:43.259 --> 00:33:45.299 him sort of in the TARDIS with the doctor and rose? 729 00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:49.200 I actually think that Russell is aware of these stupid arguments 730 00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:52.980 that we have over whether so-and-so counts as a companion or not. 731 00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:57.000 So Sarah Kingdom's a companion, but Brett Vine isn't, you know, and 732 00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:57.660 stuff like that. 733 00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:01.799 And we have these lists and we have kind of rules about what makes 734 00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:03.359 a companion. 735 00:34:03.420 --> 00:34:08.039 And I think just as Russell wants to kind of get us to see stories 736 00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:09.659 in a different way as well. 737 00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:13.860 Like the main unit of narrative, I think, in the new series is the 738 00:34:13.860 --> 00:34:18.659 episode and the season and stories, you know, there's no part ones 739 00:34:18.659 --> 00:34:19.559 or part 2s. 740 00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:23.820 Here, I think series one is set up so that we have someone who's 741 00:34:23.820 --> 00:34:26.219 there for 2 episodes so that we can argue about whether his 742 00:34:26.219 --> 00:34:27.960 accounts as a companion or not. 743 00:34:28.019 --> 00:34:31.199 And then we have Jack for a bunch of episodes as well. 744 00:34:31.260 --> 00:34:35.760 And does he count as a companion and, you know, what happens when 745 00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:37.019 he's left behind and things? 746 00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:42.239 So I think Russell wants to break our way of thinking about the 747 00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:42.599 show. 748 00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:49.019 Like by the time this goes out, series 11 will have started or 749 00:34:49.019 --> 00:34:52.920 will be very close to starting and they're very definitely gone 750 00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:55.739 away from the idea that the doctor has companions and they're 751 00:34:55.739 --> 00:34:58.860 referred to in sort of publicity and things as the doctor's 752 00:34:58.860 --> 00:34:59.280 friends. 753 00:34:59.460 --> 00:35:04.019 Because I think we talked about that as well, the companion thing 754 00:35:04.019 --> 00:35:07.679 just is this relationship of a sexual nature, you know, like it's 755 00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:09.539 such an odd thing to talk about. 756 00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:13.440 So it plays with the idea of a companion, but it also kind of 757 00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:15.900 wants us to throw it away, Abe, I think. 758 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:18.420 Well, that lovely line later on in the season with the dialect 759 00:35:18.420 --> 00:35:19.920 said, the doctor, we have your associate. 760 00:35:20.940 --> 00:35:24.059 Yeah, well, the Daleks aren't going to understand what a friend 761 00:35:24.059 --> 00:35:24.420 is. 762 00:35:27.300 --> 00:35:30.480 I think Bruno and Langley does a good job of this. 763 00:35:30.539 --> 00:35:34.800 You know, he certainly is up to the task of acting against Tamsen 764 00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:35.460 and the others. 765 00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:36.900 No, I think he's underrated. 766 00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:41.099 You know, pity about all of his offscreen shenanigans later on 767 00:35:41.099 --> 00:35:43.920 with when he was in Coronation Street and letting go of that. 768 00:35:43.980 --> 00:35:48.239 But over these 2 episodes, I've really enjoyed his performance. 769 00:35:48.300 --> 00:35:51.300 Well, remember that at the time, he was well known from Coronation 770 00:35:51.300 --> 00:35:51.719 Street. 771 00:35:51.780 --> 00:35:57.000 So even though he was asopactor in voted commas, He was a well 772 00:35:56.579 --> 00:35:57.300 known face. 773 00:35:57.360 --> 00:36:00.780 And I think this is one of the brilliant things that Russell 774 00:36:00.780 --> 00:36:01.079 does. 775 00:36:01.139 --> 00:36:04.019 He's not against casting soap actors. 776 00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:06.599 He recognises how good soap actors can be. 777 00:36:06.659 --> 00:36:10.800 And so he'll cast some of the most louded talents in the land, you 778 00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:14.400 know, Simon Callow and people like that, but up against them, he'll 779 00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:18.780 put in Bruno Langley from Coronation Street or Tracy Ann Cyberman 780 00:36:18.780 --> 00:36:22.440 who is in EastEnders as Den Watt's wife, Chrissy. 781 00:36:22.500 --> 00:36:24.360 And it's good. 782 00:36:24.420 --> 00:36:27.300 He doesn't subscribe to that snobby attitude, that a soap actor is 783 00:36:27.300 --> 00:36:28.260 only a soap actor. 784 00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:30.780 And 99% of the time it works. 785 00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:31.980 You get great performances. 786 00:36:32.099 --> 00:36:35.760 And you can see that he respects soap as a medium, I think. 787 00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:40.920 You know, he, there's that scene in, um, clear as folk, where 788 00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:45.659 Vince meets a girl at a pub, and they bond over a shared love for 789 00:36:45.659 --> 00:36:49.139 Coronation Street, and, you know, they even lament the fact that 790 00:36:49.139 --> 00:36:53.880 it was put up against Doctor Who, you know, at one point. 791 00:36:53.940 --> 00:36:57.480 And so I think he likes soap and certainly when he brings the show 792 00:36:57.480 --> 00:36:57.900 back. 793 00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:02.519 I mean, every 3 weeks having us go back to earth and meet the mum 794 00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:06.000 and the boyfriend and that kind of thing, there's definite sort of 795 00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:08.340 soap storytelling going on there. 796 00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:12.539 Yeah, and I think one of Russell's previous big hits was the grand 797 00:37:12.539 --> 00:37:13.500 which was set in a hotel. 798 00:37:13.500 --> 00:37:16.320 And while it wasn't a soup, it had that kind of structure to it. 799 00:37:16.380 --> 00:37:19.260 I think Russell appreciates soap writing. 800 00:37:19.380 --> 00:37:21.960 He thinks good soap writing is some of the best writing out 801 00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:22.260 there. 802 00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:23.820 And same with performances. 803 00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:27.539 I think it's very strange that science fiction fans kind of look 804 00:37:27.539 --> 00:37:32.099 down their nose, it's so, because enjoying something long running 805 00:37:32.099 --> 00:37:35.099 like Star Trek and something long running like home and away 806 00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:38.460 they're pretty similar kind of experiences I think. 807 00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:39.119 Yeah. 808 00:37:39.179 --> 00:37:44.460 There's one other aspect of this episode that I think is quite 809 00:37:44.460 --> 00:37:46.619 unique for this season and that's the musical score. 810 00:37:46.739 --> 00:37:50.460 I think this score for this episode, with all of its bleeps and 811 00:37:50.460 --> 00:37:54.539 blops, is very old school Doctor Who, and very different from so 812 00:37:54.539 --> 00:37:57.239 many of the other episodes where you got Rose's theme and other 813 00:37:57.239 --> 00:37:58.079 themes running through it. 814 00:37:58.139 --> 00:38:01.920 I just think when I watched this back, it was something that just 815 00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:04.920 I noticed that I thought the musical school was quite different. 816 00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:06.360 It is different. 817 00:38:06.420 --> 00:38:07.920 It's not my favourite. 818 00:38:07.980 --> 00:38:09.000 Murray work. 819 00:38:09.059 --> 00:38:11.820 When he does sort of whimsical future stories. 820 00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:17.460 He tends to have those kind of tinkly tonkly, um, knowingly comedy 821 00:38:17.460 --> 00:38:21.239 scores, and I don't think it necessarily works. 822 00:38:21.300 --> 00:38:24.539 It doesn't add a whole lot, but, you know, he's 50% genius, so 823 00:38:24.539 --> 00:38:24.900 that's fine. 824 00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:27.900 I'm a big fan of the score for the end of the world. 825 00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:28.739 And the world's great. 826 00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:28.980 Yeah. 827 00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:31.980 No, I'm just saying it was just thematically very different from 828 00:38:31.980 --> 00:38:35.579 all the overarching themes that you get in his work. 829 00:38:35.579 --> 00:38:37.860 And I just didn't really pick up on any of them in this particular 830 00:38:37.860 --> 00:38:38.400 episode. 831 00:38:38.460 --> 00:38:42.360 Murray underscores emotion a lot, and there's not a lot of emotion 832 00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:44.820 in this episode, so we sort of left with scoring the action. 833 00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:47.280 Yeah, the stakes are quite low, aren't they? 834 00:38:47.340 --> 00:38:50.099 And the doctor and rows are a bit sidelined and so there isn't 835 00:38:50.099 --> 00:38:53.099 really much opportunity for their big thematic things. 836 00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:57.719 And so it is action and atmosphere that he has to that he has to 837 00:38:57.719 --> 00:38:58.139 create. 838 00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:02.099 But as a standard doctor episode, as you mentioned, Peter. 839 00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:06.119 I think that this one, it flies under the radar, and I certainly 840 00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:10.320 think it's one that people should go back and rewatch and see all 841 00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:13.679 of this interesting stuff that's going on with a new perspective. 842 00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:18.719 Yeah, and certainly now, you know, now that it is so incredibly 843 00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:19.380 timely. 844 00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:22.679 It's so prescient, it has important things to say, I think. 845 00:39:22.739 --> 00:39:26.159 Yeah, sort of, it's an average episode, but that's not a bad 846 00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:26.400 thing. 847 00:39:26.460 --> 00:39:29.460 There's a lot of good stuff in an average episode. 848 00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:57.179 Well, Elissa, we've toppled the Murdochracy and dropped Adam off 849 00:39:57.179 --> 00:40:00.480 home, so it's time to take a relaxing and not at all emotionally 850 00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:02.280 exhausting trip to the 1980s. 851 00:40:02.340 --> 00:40:04.199 We'll see you next week for Father's Day. 852 00:40:04.260 --> 00:40:07.920 In the meantime, you can find us at Flightthrough Entirety.com 853 00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:11.579 flight through Entirety on Facebook and Apple Podcasts and at FDE 854 00:40:11.579 --> 00:40:12.539 podcast on Twitter. 855 00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:16.139 Don't forget to check out Bond Finger, our commentary podcast 856 00:40:16.139 --> 00:40:19.079 covering 50 years of the James Bond films. 857 00:40:19.260 --> 00:40:22.440 That's Bondfinger.com, Bondfinger on Facebook and Apple Podcasts 858 00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:24.780 and at Bondfingercast on Twitter. 859 00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:28.440 Until next time, may you remember to bring an umbrella when the 860 00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:30.900 doctor visits your workplace and detonates your boss. 861 00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:32.579 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 862 00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:34.320 See you soon Good night. 863 00:40:34.380 --> 00:40:34.920 Thank you very much. 864 00:40:37.980 --> 00:40:41.760 That was Flight 3 Entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, Todd BLB 865 00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:45.000 and Peter Griffiths, theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, strings 866 00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:46.559 performance by Jane Orberg. 867 00:40:46.619 --> 00:40:50.639 This episode, Eater Kronkberger, was recorded on the 5th of August 868 00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:53.579 2018 and released on the 7th of October. 869 00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:59.219 Today is, of course, a historic day for Doctor Who, with the 870 00:40:59.219 --> 00:41:02.579 release of the 1st episode of the Jody Whittaker era, The Woman 871 00:41:02.579 --> 00:41:03.300 Who Fell to Earth. 872 00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:07.440 But be assured that you'll get to hear the definitive FTE take on 873 00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:09.599 it sometime in late 2023. 874 00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:17.760 So let me try and do an outro. then we'll go and walk around for a 875 00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:19.079 2nd and then we'll do... 876 00:41:19.139 --> 00:41:21.539 Did you notice, well, talking about world building earlier. 877 00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:26.820 So, conversation between us. that when they talk about the floods 878 00:41:26.820 --> 00:41:30.360 in Glasgow, it actually cuts to the screen behind Catholica and it 879 00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:34.380 says New Caledonia or Caledonia Prime floods. 880 00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:36.119 And so it's Russell's World Building. 881 00:41:36.179 --> 00:41:37.380 He not talking about real Glasgow. 882 00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:40.860 He's talking about new, new, new, new, new, Glasgow, out. 883 00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:41.760 It's great. 884 00:41:41.820 --> 00:41:42.480 I love that stuff. 885 00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:48.599 That, that, um, that whole thing, like the, there isn't actually 886 00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:51.599 that much journalism you get to see in a story that's ostensibly 887 00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:55.440 about journalism, but the little titbits are just, it's silly 888 00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:57.840 Doctor Who world stuff, which I just think is wonderful. 889 00:41:57.960 --> 00:42:01.019 Talking about the budget earlier where they couldn't afford aliens 890 00:42:01.019 --> 00:42:03.780 and things like that for this story, when they have that little 891 00:42:03.780 --> 00:42:06.179 where they're looking at the info spike for the 1st time, and 892 00:42:06.179 --> 00:42:12.000 Kathika says, ladies and gentlemen, multi-sex robot, and undecided 893 00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:14.820 there's no multi-sex robot and undecided that we can see there. 894 00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:16.559 But I think that might be us. 895 00:42:16.619 --> 00:42:18.900 I'll take robot, Todd, your multisex. 896 00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:20.219 Oh, thank you. 897 00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:21.239 There you go listeners. 898 00:42:21.300 --> 00:42:22.559 That's what I was waiting for. 899 00:42:22.619 --> 00:42:29.760 Help me now. right Let's keep laughing, Nathan. 900 00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:30.539 I will. 901 00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:31.440 I always do. 902 00:42:31.500 --> 00:42:32.460 All right, here goes. 903 00:42:33.059 --> 00:42:36.480 Well, dear listener, we've toppled the murdocracy.