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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flightthrough Entirety

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the only Doctor Who podcast, which sounds like it got here just in

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time.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm Todd, and I'm Peter back for more.

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Well, a couple of scripts have fallen through and there's not much

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going on.

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So this week we've decided to hang around Cardiff Bay and have

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dinner with an old friend.

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It's time for Boomtown.

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Well, I think this is the episode that no one expected.

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Yeah.

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Least of all me.

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Like, I mean, personally, I don't think the Celine were terribly

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successful in their realisation in the previous two parter, and I

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wouldn't have put my hand up to say, let's bring them back.

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But having been in the situation where they have brought them

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back.

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Russell does a great number on it and ups emotional stakes with

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their use.

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And for me, redeems them as characters.

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Yeah.

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I think the Sabine had the problem of being directed by Keith

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Bogue, you know, very, very early on in the history of the

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production, when they didn't really know what they were doing

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yet.

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Yeah, I agree.

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And this is such an unassuming little episode, but it's so good

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for the series.

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It's kind of like it's the glue that binds the series together.

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And I think if it wasn't there, it would be a much less rich

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experience, that 1st series of Doctor Who.

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Well, I agree with you.

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There's so much in here, Peter.

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We've got the rift, we've got Cardiff, we've got Mickey dealing

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with Rose's treatment of him.

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We've got the Russell being of having this joyous team all

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together before they're all ripped apart at the end of a season

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and making Jack a proper companion in it.

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That's correct.

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We've got the heart of the TARDIS introduced.

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We've still got references to Bad Wolf actually explicitly.

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There is so much here that is set up for the end of this season

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and threading through the entire season.

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It's such a crucial episode.

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And to think that he wasn't originally going to write this, was

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he?

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That's right.

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This 11th episode, I believe that they were holding the slot open

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for Paul Abbott, who's one of Britain's premier screenwriters.

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He did things like shameless and clocking off and I think Russell

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might be friends with him or knows him very well.

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And in the end, he just didn't have time to do it.

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And so Russell himself stepped in and wrote an episode, which kind

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of tied together everything so far and gave us a little bit of a

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breathing space before we went into the big two-part conclusion.

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And you need the breathing space.

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It's great breathing space.

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I think that it's something that he does later with less success, I

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think.

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Things like Love and Monsters, which is obviously very

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controversial, and maybe even the end of time, where there's a

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sort of very, very kind of thin premise.

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There's not really much going on in a sort of Doctor Who sense and

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he's writing character drama instead.

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And I like that a lot.

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And I think he absolutely lampshades how stupid the science

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fiction premises here.

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So you've got, you know, Margaret, she turns up out of nowhere.

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She's become the mayor, no one ever takes photographs of her for

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some reason, even though she's the mayor, they do take, they

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plaster over the front page.

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That's it.

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Somehow she's got this plan where she's able to get people to

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agree to knock down Cardiff Castle and build a nuclear power plan

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in the middle of the city. of the city.

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Like that's, it's so cartoonish.

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And when she's foiled, she's foiled in this sort of fantastically

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Scooby-Doo kind of way.

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That happens so early on.

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Like she's completely foiled, that whole sort of plan, uh, goes to

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hell super early on in the episode well within the sort of 1st

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half of the episode, and then we get what the thing's really

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about.

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And there are times when I sometimes think that I can detect

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Russell kind of spinning his wheels a bit.

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But he does that here so well that I don't think it's a problem

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and it will become a problem, I think, in future episodes.

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I love all the comedy moments in this.

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Like right from the get go with Margaret dashing out the window.

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That line of Chris where he says, she's dashing out the window

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isn't she?

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And he goes, yes.

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And that whole sequence of her with her like teleport and then

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coming back. so funny.

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Like how the doctor pursues her out the window saying, Margaret.

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And, you know, the comedy Mickey stuff where everyone's, you know

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Jack leaps over a tea trolly and everyone's being super heroic and

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Mickey sort of treads in a bucket, which he then trails after him

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with sort of toilet paper behind him or something.

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Like it's all really, really fun and super funny and in a way that

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Doctor Who hasn't been, that sort of slapstick comedy, like not

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treating the main plot, particularly seriously, and kind of

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throwing it away.

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And it's something that I wish Doctor Who did a little bit more.

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You know, each episode has to have a threat and an adventure and a

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climax and a plot getting foiled and all of that kind of thing.

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And I think we could afford to have episodes that weren't like

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that.

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I think it works here because you know what the thread is.

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You've experienced this, Celine before, right?

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She's out for revenge based on what's happened in the past.

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So we don't have to have all that setup.

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No, and we can have just a stupid plot and throw it away because

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it's not the focus of the episode.

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It doesn't matter.

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I think the closest parallel is for me is power of three.

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I think that's really excellent.

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That might be my favourite chibnal episode, but I think it does a

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much worse job of the science fiction plot when we finally get to

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it.

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I think that bit's kind of terrible.

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Whereas here the science fiction plot is deliberately cartoonish

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and outlandish.

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You know, all of the people who've been killed on the Blythe Drew

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project.

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It was a very icy pad.

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But also that they'd written danger explosives in Welsh and so the

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French inspection team didn't know what it meant.

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And that whole thing is so ridiculous.

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Like, not for a 2nd can you believe any of it?

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But it's also the fact that Margaret's not just going to set up

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this nuclear reactor and then, you know, send it into overload or

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something.

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She actually builds in a design floor.

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So it's designed to explode.

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And then only one person.

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I've checked the figures. detects this.

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I'm gonna disagree with you about the Mickey comedy.

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I think him running into that trolly does a disservice again to

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the character, and that has happened before in Russell's writing

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back when he tries to hug the TARDIS back in the previous Slovene

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episode.

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And I do have to say that I actually think Russell's writing of

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his character.

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He's trying to redeem him in some aspects, but I also think at

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times, I think it really just... sort of making him the butt of a

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joke doesn't sit that well.

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And I think at this point I don't want it anymore.

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And it does come back a bit, I think, in the finale as well.

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Like he's ever mourning about things.

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But here he does get to actually have a good, you left me moment

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with Rose and actually pull her up, which I like, but what he

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giveth in one hand, he taketh away in the other.

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I find it times and that really just, that's probably part of the

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episode that I don't particularly like, that he's moaning and

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complaining or is sent up as a comedy character.

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I think who would you give that to?

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I mean, if it had been Moffatt, the doctor would have been the

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less competent one, like he would have been the one who kind of

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falls over or does something silly rather than a companion.

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I mean, it's true.

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I mean, we want to see that, you know, the others are now a team.

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They mention all these other adventures they've been on.

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They're very much a unit.

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So yes, obviously it's going to be that character.

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But in fact, what's nice is him being included.

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That thing where they're having breakfast in that cafe where the

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doctor sees the picture of Margaret on the newspaper.

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Like Mickey's kind of included in the fun there, you know, and

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Jack's telling the story.

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Does Mickey give the punchline?

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He realises what the punchline is.

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That's my line.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that's nice.

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Yeah.

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I think this episode is essential for Mickey.

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I think it's the episode where both Noel Clark and Russell work

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out what to do with the character.

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And it does start off with Mickey being a klutz, which is, you

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know, consistent with what we've seen beforehand, but then it

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makes the punch of his emotional wounding at Rose's hands all the

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more powerful because, um, you've set him up as a klutz, but he's

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actually a real person with real feelings and you see that in the

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sweep of the episode.

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And he's forced into having to go out with Trisha Delaney.

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I think that that's amazing that scene.

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So you've got 2 dinners going on.

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And I had heard somewhere that the working title of this or one of

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the possible titles was dinner with monsters, and it's obviously

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the doctor has dinner with Margaret and she's a monster.

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Margaret thinks the doctor's a monster, but the other monster is

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Rose in this, and she gets some level of realisation as well.

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The final moment of the story where we have the shot of the egg.

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Heartbreaking.

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Yeah, she says it would be nice to have a chance to start over

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again. like... abuse so well And she is horrible.

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Like she's abandoned him and she's horrible about Trish.

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Like that awful.

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She's a bit big.

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You know, she lost weight.

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Like, she's just a dumb girl from a shop who won't run away and

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explore the universe and leave him behind.

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And like Rose just snaps her fingers and drags him all the way to

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Cardiff for no reason, on pretence.

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I actually like to the way that scene looks like it's going, which

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is that they're going to have dinner and then a hotel room and

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stuff.

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I thought that was really nice and something that we'd never had

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before in Doctor Who, you know, like the companion kind of is a

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grown up having relationships and like in a proper grown up way.

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And it looks like it's going so well.

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And then it just takes a real emotional turn.

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Yeah, well, that would be consistent with Rose's character because

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one of her defining characteristics is that she's selfish.

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And, you know, Billy Piper's commented on this in interviews

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before, where she says Rogue is just a selfish cow.

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And it's true because she thinks nothing of dragging Mickey to

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Cardiff on a pretence to bring her passport and then say, oh, let's

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go out to dinner and let's get a hotel because that's what she

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feels like at that very moment.

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Whereas the previous episode she was quite happy to flirt with

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Jack and see where that went and poor Mickey's just disposable.

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Yeah, a convenience, isn't he?

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I mean, it does seem that that's Swede, the way that's going, but

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it isn't.

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Like it's just her using Mickey to get her end away in between

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adventures because he's convenient and he'll come when he's

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called.

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And even at the end, like where he sort of looks at the scenes

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that are unfolding and where she is and sort of thing goes off

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without really, there's no real goodbye.

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So she goes out to sort of say goodbye.

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She has forgotten about him in the excitement.

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You know, she rushes back to the Tartars.

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She only realises that she's left Mickey behind and doesn't know

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what happened to him after everything's been resolved.

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And he could have been hurt.

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And then she runs off and Mickey sees her, but he just leaves

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without, you know, saying goodbye.

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And then Rose comes back into the Tardisan lies about having seen

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him.

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You know, he's fine, you know. powerful stuff.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's why I think this episode's so good for Mickey because at the

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end there, he retains a small shred of dignity by not going up to

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her and saying, yeah, I'm fine and sort of playing her game.

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He decides to take control.

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He makes sure that she's okay.

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He makes sure that she knows, you know, she's talking to a

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policeman, that he's not among the injured or whatever, and he

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just takes his dignity and turns around, walks away.

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It's a turning point for the character.

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It is, which is why I like the fact that he's, you know, typical

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aliens of London Mickey early in the episode because you get that

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move for his character.

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Yeah And it's been a little while since we've seen him, I guess.

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Apart from Little Mickey and Father's Day, yeah.

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Who, okay, is running around after Rose.

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And so, of course, the other big dinner that's going on is the

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dinner between the doctor and Margaret.

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And the show does take a turn into this kind of moral dilemma.

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Is it right for us to take Margaret back to

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Rexicorricofalapatorius and have her executed?

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And it looks like the doctor is fine with it.

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It does.

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There's a moment where sort of Margaret does the Sylvester McCoy

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look me in the eye and tell me it's okay and none of them can do

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it.

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And the doctor, I don't think, even attempts to look at her or

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initially pretends to be sort of engaged in something.

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And all of that is so tremendously well directed because you've

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got Margaret out of the stupid suit.

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I think we have a bit of CG Celine when she's getting out of the

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suit to attack Kathy earlier in the episode.

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Later on, she pulls off a Margaret hand.

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But basically you've just got Annette's acting performance.

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And what Russell did, of course, in the design of the Sabine is

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have them look like fat people. you know, like they've got big

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round, chubby baby faces.

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And so Margaret still looks like a Slovene, you know, and she's

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quite happy to show her sort of somewhat terrifying teeth and is

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quite happy to be shot in close up.

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You know, it's not a very forgiving way of directing her.

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She's got massive sort of close-ups of her face.

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And they light her green.

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Like they use the TARDIS atmospheric lighting to give her a green

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face in a lot of shots just to remind us that she's a saline.

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And I think it's terribly well done.

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And she lectures them.

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It's another one where the monster has the high ground, morally.

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It's a great performance from her.

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And and the things that he gets here to say like, I bet you are

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always the 1st to leave.

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At last you have consequences.

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This is something that never has been really addressed in classic

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who, for us as classic who fans.

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And also to reinforce to the new audience as well.

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You know, we're not just going to choof off and that's the end of

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it.

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You've actually got to face up to what you're about today.

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I think that sort of critique of the premise of Doctor Who, whether

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Doctor just kind of does something and then disappears and doesn't

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deal with the consequences.

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Um, It's something that will come up again.

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Have we ever had it before?

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It's never really talked about in the original run of the show.

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The doctor just ducks out at the end.

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He doesn't want to clean up any of the mess that he's created.

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Yeah.

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And he says I don't like goodbyes and things and he often just

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sort of leaves people to rebuild what he's kind of blown up.

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Yeah.

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Yes. robots of death.

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Yeah, yeah.

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You don't even get to see a goodbye.

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You know?

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Yeah.

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I mean, obviously here, you do have consequences earlier in the

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season when Rose has been away for a year.

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So you get to see that, but here they're really addressing it, and

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I just think it's very powerful, especially, you know, with the

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comedy goal that is that dinner with Margaret.

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You know, with the best doctor villain confrontations in the

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show's history, right up there with the doctor in Soutec.

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No, I seriously, I'm in it.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It is great, isn't it?

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It's so good.

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And it's something which is lacking, I think, in the new series, is

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that you don't often get Dr. Villain one-on-one.

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Like Davros in Genesis of the Daleks.

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That's right, because so often in New Doctor Who, the villain in

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Inverted Commas is, you know, misfiring tech or something like

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that.

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It's not an actual person being a villain.

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Yeah.

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Well, I think that that scene is so good because it goes from just

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the sort of hilarious comedy of the poison gas and the dart and

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him sort of breath freshening her and stuff.

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And even the just cheesy, you know, she puts a pill in his drink

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and he swaps it around.

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I mean, it couldn't possibly be cheesier and that stuff's super

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funny.

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And then you get heard discussing the details of what the

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execution entails and asking him if he's going to be there for

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him.

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And he says he will, like he'll be there to support her while it

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happens.

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Well, like that absolves his conscience.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And the thing about letting one go too.

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You know, the way that the doctor critiques her morally because

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she's congratulating herself for having spared Kathy.

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And what I think is a great scene.

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I love Kathy as a character and it is a very, very rustly thing to

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you know, she's got a boyfriend, they're pregnant, but it was a

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mistake, you know.

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She can't lose her job because her family will get mad at her.

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All of that.

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She's got a very Russell name as well.

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Kathy Salt.

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It is a very rustly thing, a very warm and kind of human thing.

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I like that a lot.

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But Margaret's congratulating herself because she didn't slaughter

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you know, Kathy.

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And she turns that around on the doctor.

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Why don't you let one go?

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You had all of my family killed a few episodes ago.

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Like, how many Sladine were there?

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There were like a dozen or something.

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There were a lot of people and the doctor just was happy to let

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them all die.

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And, you know, it's interesting that he decided to bring back

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Margaret because in, obviously in Badlands, brilliant.

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In aliens of London, Margaret's an underwritten role, there's not

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a lot of meat there.

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And so bring her back, was a decision to make this character

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something based on the performance that she did earlier on, where

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she is great in those earlier episodes as the 3rd pig in that sort

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of wheel.

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She's the one actually who is out of costume for most of the 2nd

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episode for most of World War III.

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She's the human face of the Sadine.

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So we do know her and she gets some great comedy and some good

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scenes.

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And she gets to act against Chris.

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Like, you know, when it keeps opening up the door and that sort of

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thing, like she's going one on one.

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So if there's a character he's going to bring back, she's the most

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obvious.

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There's that bit of history there.

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And she's, I mean, is she just delicious, the entire performance?

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And of course, she went on to be an EastEnders as Aunt Babe, and

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was a very popular character delivering an equally delicious

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performance.

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I love her in Wizards versus Aliens.

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I think she's just tremendous.

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She is so great.

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I'd hope that she was going to be Dolores Umbrage in the Harry

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Potter films.

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I wonder if she wasn't in them.

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Yeah, she's a relative of Willy Wonka's or something into Tim

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Burton film.

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It's interesting talking about the confrontation between the

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doctor and Margaret, you know, let one go.

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I'm not sure whether I like the fact that at the end of the

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episode, it's shown that this was all a ploy of Margaret's.

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She didn't really mean any of it. because she was just setting it

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up to get on her pan-dimensional surfboard and head off, and that

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was her plan all along.

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It felt like it should have had the stakes that she was being

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honest with him and trying to convince him.

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I don't think she was.

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I agree with you.

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It's the one thing where I kind of went, oh, that seems to come

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out of the blue.

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Like all these conveniences to get to this point. sort of, I just

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kind of doesn't ring true to me.

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Yeah, we needed a sort of climax for that stupid plot, maybe.

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And so that's the big climax at the end of the episode where we

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can have her defeated and we can pump the moral question as well.

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They get to escape from having to make the moral decision, just

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like Tom does in Genesis of the Dalek.

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We set up a big moral decision and then punt on it.

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But maybe we didn't need that confrontation scene.

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You know, maybe it was Russell just hewing a little bit too

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closely to the kind of Doctor Who formula and we would have been

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better off if that stuff hadn't been a lie.

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I think it's a little bit like Dalek, where if we think about that

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stuff being a ploy to get Rose to touch the Dalek, It's less

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effective because it's got a sort of stupid science fiction

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explanation.

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It's less effective than the Dalek being frightened and tortured

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and abused and kind of terrified.

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Yeah, it makes a little bit more sci-fi than it should have been.

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And I think it just needed in Boomtown, a clearer turn in the

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storytelling.

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You maybe needed Margaret to say, I've tried to convince you

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enough.

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I don't believe you, so I'm just going to do this.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That would have been better.

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You could have still had that big climax, the big sort of swirly

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special effect climax at the end and Margaret being threatening

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and stuff, but if she'd lost the moral argument. and decided, well

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I'm not going to be executed, so I'm going to do this.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, and that seems more organic.

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Yeah.

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But, you know, obviously in that sequence, the heart of the TARDIS

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is opened and she gets to look into that. which is very important

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for the upcoming finale.

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Without looking like it's setting things up for the upcoming

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finale.

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I mean, what happens is she gets her heart's desire.

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She looks into the heart of the Tartars and it gives her what she

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wants. and she says, thank you, and what she does want is a 2nd

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chance, a chance to do things differently.

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So maybe that's Russell's way of saying, no, actually, it wasn't a

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ploy.

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Like the doctor's discussion with her has changed her in some way

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and the thing that she wants more than anything else is to be

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brought up.

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You know, she blames her evilness on her upbringing.

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She would have been fed to the venom gloves if she hadn't.

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That's right.

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So she talks about she talks about her her upbringing and blames

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it on that.

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And so she gets the chance to have a new upbringing where they get

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you know, it's a little bit like bringing Pangol up properly this

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time.

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Possibly if she hadn't have had those conversations with the

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doctor. and examined her own actions.

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Maybe her greatest desire when she looked into the heart of the

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Tartars would have been that, you know, everyone around her was

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destroyed and she, she had it off on away.

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What do we think about the heart of the Tartars?

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One of the big criticisms of Russell's writing by people who have

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no taste is that he relies a lot on the Deus X Markina as a

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trope.

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He does, and he does it a number of times.

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This is the 1st time he does it.

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So it doesn't worry me.

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It doesn't worry you that in 2 weeks time he's going to use

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exactly the same day as Xbox.

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Oh, I don't know.

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Like, I mean, it's set up that the TARDIS is organic, that it's

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connected to the time vortex or whatever.

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I think there's enough for me anyway, and you know what I'm like

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when it comes to these sort of things.

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There's enough building their backstory and explanations that I'm

496
00:23:52.740 --> 00:23:55.799
not going to go and go, ah, this is terrible.

497
00:23:55.859 --> 00:24:00.059
I think, you know, had it just turned up in the party of the ways

498
00:24:00.059 --> 00:24:01.680
that would have been bad, I think.

499
00:24:01.740 --> 00:24:03.180
You know, we needed boom down.

500
00:24:03.299 --> 00:24:04.259
You seated the ground for it.

501
00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:09.720
And I think in Boomtown, it just does the job of making visible

502
00:24:09.720 --> 00:24:14.339
the change in Margaret, the sort of moral change that Margaret's

503
00:24:14.339 --> 00:24:15.420
experienced.

504
00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:20.279
We have this sort of magic fairy tale thing in the TARDIS that

505
00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:21.539
gives you your heart's desire.

506
00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:25.200
We get to see what our heart's desire is and we wouldn't have seen

507
00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:26.880
that quite so easily.

508
00:24:26.940 --> 00:24:28.440
And I think that's Russell all over.

509
00:24:28.500 --> 00:24:31.079
I mean, I don't think it's doing him a disservice to say that he's

510
00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:34.619
more concerned with character than plotting.

511
00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:37.740
And I think the emotional payoff for the characters is much more

512
00:24:37.740 --> 00:24:41.039
important to him than the physical payoff of ending the story.

513
00:24:41.099 --> 00:24:41.640
Yeah.

514
00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:45.359
And so it's perfectly serviceable, even though it is a DeSX

515
00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:46.200
Macina.

516
00:24:46.259 --> 00:24:49.319
But because you get the emotional payoff for Margaret and for Rose

517
00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:51.960
as well, that makes it a satisfying ending.

518
00:24:52.019 --> 00:24:56.940
I think you can overlook the sort of weakness in a plot device

519
00:24:56.940 --> 00:24:59.640
because that emotional stuff in there.

520
00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:02.640
To me, that's one, the biggest strength of his writing is that

521
00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:07.440
emotional stuff and that really sells anything, any weaker

522
00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:07.859
concept.

523
00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:11.940
The complaint is always, if we'd had some lines of dialogue in

524
00:25:11.940 --> 00:25:14.880
there, I would have bought this better.

525
00:25:14.940 --> 00:25:19.440
You know, like if we just had it addressed in dialogue, I would

526
00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:20.460
have been happy with it.

527
00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:23.519
And I kind of think, well, you know, that's a recipe for just

528
00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:25.019
technobabble, isn't it?

529
00:25:25.079 --> 00:25:28.380
Like, I'd be happy for this plot development to happen, provided

530
00:25:28.380 --> 00:25:31.140
it had some kind of technobabble name to it.

531
00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:35.579
And I'm always sort of glad, let's not have the technovabble, let's

532
00:25:35.579 --> 00:25:38.940
just provided it was explained on screen rather than working out

533
00:25:38.940 --> 00:25:40.680
what's obvious in getting on with the character stuff.

534
00:25:40.740 --> 00:25:44.039
Yeah, and I think, you know, like his biggest day at sex marketer

535
00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:45.960
has to be the end of series 3, doesn't it?

536
00:25:46.019 --> 00:25:47.039
And that's seated.

537
00:25:47.099 --> 00:25:51.660
Like there is actually an attempt earlier in the episode to set it

538
00:25:51.660 --> 00:25:51.960
up.

539
00:25:52.019 --> 00:25:57.539
So I don't think he's anywhere near as sloppy as people claim he

540
00:25:57.539 --> 00:25:57.960
is.

541
00:25:58.019 --> 00:26:01.380
I think there are weaknesses in his writing sometimes that are

542
00:26:01.380 --> 00:26:04.680
evident, but sloppy plotting is absolutely not one of them.

543
00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:07.259
And people talk about absolute, as they say, Russell's all about

544
00:26:07.259 --> 00:26:08.759
character and his plot's terrible.

545
00:26:08.819 --> 00:26:10.380
That's not right at all.

546
00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:11.700
He is all about character.

547
00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:14.519
It's just, I think his character work is stronger than his

548
00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:15.000
plotting work.

549
00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:18.660
So we've been talking about lots of things being seeded in this

550
00:26:18.660 --> 00:26:18.960
episode.

551
00:26:19.019 --> 00:26:22.619
We haven't talked very much about Captain Jack.

552
00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:26.400
And he's probably putting the background quite a bit being in the

553
00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:28.440
TARDIS, but he's dealing with the rift.

554
00:26:28.500 --> 00:26:31.559
He is wearing a blue shirt which shows off his arms.

555
00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:34.259
Sorry, I just had to get that in.

556
00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:38.640
And we are in Cardiff, which is all stuff setting up for

557
00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:39.240
Torchwood.

558
00:26:39.299 --> 00:26:40.799
I just want to throw in there as well.

559
00:26:40.859 --> 00:26:43.380
They actually talk about the clerking device being a chameleon

560
00:26:43.380 --> 00:26:43.799
circuit.

561
00:26:43.859 --> 00:26:46.079
I think this is the 1st time they actually say chameleon circuit.

562
00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:48.539
Previously it was talked about being a cloaking device.

563
00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:53.880
So we are beginning to throw in a couple of things for fans.

564
00:26:53.940 --> 00:26:56.819
Well, in fact, there's a big explanation of why the Tartars looks

565
00:26:56.819 --> 00:27:01.380
like a police box here, which is just there, I think, for fans.

566
00:27:01.500 --> 00:27:05.880
And it has a sort of slight eating up time kind of feel to it as

567
00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:06.000
well.

568
00:27:06.059 --> 00:27:08.220
But that's the beauty of this episode.

569
00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:10.380
It has the time to address things like that.

570
00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:13.500
And I think like Russell saying that it was very important to

571
00:27:13.500 --> 00:27:16.680
actually follow Rose into the Tartars, the 1st time she went in

572
00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:19.380
not like the TV movie, where you see the inside of the Tartars

573
00:27:19.380 --> 00:27:21.420
before you see the outside and they get married together

574
00:27:21.420 --> 00:27:21.839
properly.

575
00:27:21.900 --> 00:27:25.380
You needed that explanation for new fans and new viewers who'd

576
00:27:25.380 --> 00:27:27.960
come to the series who may have legitimately been wondering, why

577
00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:29.279
does it look like a police box?

578
00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:31.259
And so he allows time to address that.

579
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:35.700
In fact, the term cloaking devices from the TV movie.

580
00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:38.700
It gets called a cloaking device in the TV movie and so Russell

581
00:27:38.700 --> 00:27:39.720
addresses it.

582
00:27:39.779 --> 00:27:44.579
And he will later make fun of the TV movie as well in a couple of

583
00:27:44.579 --> 00:27:45.119
weeks time.

584
00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:47.279
Good on you, Russell.

585
00:27:47.339 --> 00:27:51.299
I actually really like the introduction where Mickey turns up.

586
00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:55.500
So he's the outsider and he sees this team of people who have got

587
00:27:55.500 --> 00:27:58.799
really super weird since he lasts.

588
00:27:58.859 --> 00:28:00.660
Yeah, yeah, really terrible.

589
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:02.519
That will continue, won't it?

590
00:28:02.579 --> 00:28:05.279
I mean, more so when David Tennant takes over the role of the

591
00:28:05.279 --> 00:28:08.279
doctor because he is, you know, insufferable.

592
00:28:08.339 --> 00:28:09.420
Sorry.

593
00:28:09.420 --> 00:28:10.259
Not personally.

594
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:13.980
I think he's very charming, but his doctor and Rose together are

595
00:28:13.980 --> 00:28:15.059
kind of bad for one another.

596
00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:17.460
It's probably a good thing that we never got run of episodes with

597
00:28:17.460 --> 00:28:19.259
the 10th doctor, Rose and Captain Jack.

598
00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:22.799
Yeah, but, you know, there's that sort of cute flirty thing too

599
00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:27.000
that goes on, which I just think is really funny, where Mickey has

600
00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:30.000
misgivings about Rose travelling with Captain Jack because Captain

601
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:32.579
Jack is handsome. think you'll find he's cheesy.

602
00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:33.480
Is he cheesy?

603
00:28:33.539 --> 00:28:35.220
Did he say Captain Cheesecake in this one?

604
00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:39.480
No, no, he says he's cheesy and he asks him what he's captain of.

605
00:28:39.539 --> 00:28:41.339
Is it the innuendo squad?

606
00:28:41.940 --> 00:28:45.599
Which, again, all of that banter is really fun.

607
00:28:45.660 --> 00:28:48.720
And the doctor's kind of slightly hurt, but Mickey isn't sort of

608
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:51.240
sexually threatened by Rose travelling with a doctor.

609
00:28:51.299 --> 00:28:56.400
You know, he comes down that sort of ladder and says, so, you know

610
00:28:56.400 --> 00:29:00.299
you're saying I'm not handsome and the crack about his ears, which

611
00:29:00.299 --> 00:29:04.380
is, like, I think that was a Moffat joke from the empty child.

612
00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:07.799
All of that stuff is so fun and so light and so wonderful.

613
00:29:07.859 --> 00:29:10.859
There's kind of a weird sexual tension between all of these

614
00:29:10.859 --> 00:29:14.279
characters because Rose was flirting very heavily with Captain

615
00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:17.460
Jack in the previous episodes. there's none of that now.

616
00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:21.420
The doctor and Jack have a little kind of banter flirtation, you

617
00:29:21.420 --> 00:29:23.039
know, buy me a drink. all of that.

618
00:29:23.099 --> 00:29:27.420
And even Jack and Mickey kind of, I don't know, there's a weird

619
00:29:27.420 --> 00:29:28.079
thing going on there.

620
00:29:28.140 --> 00:29:32.160
But the bit which I like is when Rose decides to go to dinner with

621
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:35.099
Mickey and they walk off and the doctor's watching them on the

622
00:29:35.099 --> 00:29:38.339
scanner and looks really hurt for a moment and then brush it

623
00:29:38.339 --> 00:29:38.640
aside.

624
00:29:38.700 --> 00:29:42.000
Well, I think Jack actually says what's on Italian, he says

625
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:42.240
nothing.

626
00:29:48.299 --> 00:29:52.980
This is the 1st of 3 episodes that is directed by Joe Hearn, who

627
00:29:52.980 --> 00:29:56.700
we haven't seen back on the series, and I think we may have

628
00:29:56.700 --> 00:29:58.980
already talked about this during our coverage of series one.

629
00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:02.819
Well, it's no secret, but I think there were certain frictions on

630
00:30:02.819 --> 00:30:06.480
set, uh, and that Christopher Eckleston and Joe Aherne, who

631
00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:10.259
directed Dalek and Father's Day, um, had gone on particularly well

632
00:30:10.259 --> 00:30:12.779
and so it was a good idea to bring him back to do the last

633
00:30:12.779 --> 00:30:15.539
episodes and, you know, keep the ship happy and all of that.

634
00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:20.339
There were 2 other directors who were booked to do episode 11 and

635
00:30:20.339 --> 00:30:21.119
then 12 and 13.

636
00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:24.599
In fact, one of them then came back and directed on the series

637
00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:25.500
later on.

638
00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:28.619
But I think you'd be hard pressed to get anyone who'd do a better

639
00:30:28.619 --> 00:30:30.779
job of Boomtown than Joe Oherne.

640
00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:32.460
I think Joe Hearne's great.

641
00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:36.000
I mean, the 5 episodes that he does this season are all

642
00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:36.839
outstanding.

643
00:30:36.900 --> 00:30:39.720
And I mean, he doesn't come back, does he?

644
00:30:39.779 --> 00:30:45.059
Because he'd ended up spending so much time in Cardiff that, you

645
00:30:45.059 --> 00:30:47.880
know, it was kind of in peril, I guess, relationship, I think.

646
00:30:47.940 --> 00:30:51.000
He did the Toby Haynes thing where he came back very quickly

647
00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:53.460
entered a chunk of episodes and kind of burned out and that was

648
00:30:53.460 --> 00:30:53.940
his lot.

649
00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:59.400
It is a shame because none of that seems to make it to screen, does

650
00:30:59.400 --> 00:30:59.700
it?

651
00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:02.940
I think you were saying earlier, Todd, that everyone seems to be

652
00:31:02.940 --> 00:31:04.920
getting on so well in front of the camera.

653
00:31:04.980 --> 00:31:08.519
I mean, it's a testament to the direction and to their acting that

654
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:11.220
you would never realise that there's any tension behind the

655
00:31:11.220 --> 00:31:11.759
scenes.

656
00:31:11.819 --> 00:31:16.259
And the chemistry on screen is fantastic between them all.

657
00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:18.359
It's funny, isn't it?

658
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:21.660
But we never got the chance to see series one without knowing

659
00:31:21.660 --> 00:31:25.559
right, from episode 2 that this was going to be Chris's only

660
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:25.859
season.

661
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:26.579
Yeah.

662
00:31:26.579 --> 00:31:29.339
And all, all credit to Chris.

663
00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:32.640
I mean, he supported that series right through to the end, even

664
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:35.519
after he'd essentially finished filming and left the production.

665
00:31:35.579 --> 00:31:39.240
He was there doing all the pre-publicity for the season and, you

666
00:31:39.240 --> 00:31:42.119
know, with a smile on his face and only hinting at the fact that

667
00:31:42.119 --> 00:31:44.099
he might not be back, but never saying it.

668
00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:45.779
You know, he did the series proud.

669
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:49.859
Yeah, I think there's an interview with him on the series one box

670
00:31:49.859 --> 00:31:54.839
set where he's asked are you in it for the long haul and he kind

671
00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:57.180
of says, I think I've already done the long haul.

672
00:31:57.180 --> 00:32:00.480
And, you know, that's clearly before the show goes out and any

673
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:01.559
announcement is made.

674
00:32:01.619 --> 00:32:06.240
And I think the announcement of his departure was leaked or

675
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:08.279
something or he was kind of angry about it.

676
00:32:08.339 --> 00:32:09.660
There was some problem.

677
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:12.119
It was the spin, I think, of the BBC press office where they said

678
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:14.759
he didn't want to be typecast and he was like, actually, that's

679
00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:15.720
totally untrue.

680
00:32:15.779 --> 00:32:16.740
Right, yeah.

681
00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:22.079
Yeah, it is a bit of a shame because I think one of the strengths

682
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:27.779
of this series is the family that it creates that a series where

683
00:32:27.779 --> 00:32:29.759
there's a new guest cast every week.

684
00:32:29.819 --> 00:32:33.299
There's a new location every week, a series that can go anywhere

685
00:32:33.299 --> 00:32:38.940
in time and space, has actually managed to create a coherent story

686
00:32:38.940 --> 00:32:47.519
over these episodes and a really strong, fun, regular cast bigger

687
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:49.980
than just the sort of 2 leads.

688
00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:54.000
And I think Boomtown is absolutely crucial in doing that.

689
00:32:54.059 --> 00:32:56.880
It's like, for me, like the long game.

690
00:32:56.940 --> 00:33:00.119
The long game is overlooked because of the emotional stakes around

691
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:00.359
it.

692
00:33:00.420 --> 00:33:04.559
Here you've got this single episode between 2 big two-parted

693
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:07.259
stories. and all that's going on in those.

694
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:10.980
So I think, again, it's overlooked, but it is just such an

695
00:33:10.980 --> 00:33:16.559
important episode in the creation of this new Doctor Who.

696
00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:20.819
And the writing that's going to continue on for another 10

697
00:33:20.819 --> 00:33:21.240
seasons.

698
00:33:21.299 --> 00:33:23.099
It's a little bit of a mission statement.

699
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:24.660
It puts all of the meat on the bone.

700
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:27.000
It's like, yes, this is a success from the new series.

701
00:33:27.059 --> 00:33:28.559
This is the direction that we're heading in.

702
00:33:28.619 --> 00:33:32.700
I also like the fact that it's not only shot in Cardiff, but it's

703
00:33:32.700 --> 00:33:33.660
set in Cardiff.

704
00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:37.380
So it's sort of bringing the production close to home with Doctor

705
00:33:37.380 --> 00:33:38.039
Who as well.

706
00:33:38.099 --> 00:33:39.420
Yeah.

707
00:33:39.420 --> 00:33:43.380
I mean, it was part of the thing that they had to do, didn't

708
00:33:43.380 --> 00:33:43.619
they?

709
00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:46.259
I mean, if it was BBC Wales, they really wanted to kind of

710
00:33:46.259 --> 00:33:50.759
foreground Welsh locations and Welsh actors and stuff, there's a

711
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:54.059
lot more Welsh voices than you might have otherwise heard.

712
00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:56.940
We've got 2 stories set in Wales.

713
00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:59.339
Yeah, I'm not sure if it was policy.

714
00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:02.220
It may have been, but I think Russell, you know, wanted to give

715
00:34:02.220 --> 00:34:05.099
back and say thank you and show off how beautiful Cardiff looked

716
00:34:05.099 --> 00:34:07.319
after its redevelopment, sort of down around the bay.

717
00:34:07.380 --> 00:34:11.519
And I think he ends up outsourcing that job to Torchwood.

718
00:34:11.579 --> 00:34:14.940
Obviously, once Torchwood gets going, and we don't have to go back

719
00:34:14.940 --> 00:34:16.139
to Wales quite so often.

720
00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:19.500
Can I just talk about some torchwood related news from this as

721
00:34:19.500 --> 00:34:19.739
well?

722
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:24.420
Margaret's secretary, Idris Hopper, played by Ahled Pedrick, I

723
00:34:24.420 --> 00:34:25.679
think, is so cute.

724
00:34:25.860 --> 00:34:27.599
He's does.

725
00:34:27.659 --> 00:34:30.659
I mean, he's gorgeous in that one scene that he's got where he

726
00:34:30.659 --> 00:34:34.739
says some, Oh yes, the man's just busy with some paperwork.

727
00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:39.300
And of course, he was meant to transfer across to Torchwood.

728
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:42.599
He was meant to be in the Eanto Jones role.

729
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:45.239
And I don't know why.

730
00:34:45.300 --> 00:34:47.820
It never happened and so they created Yantu, but you can just see

731
00:34:47.820 --> 00:34:49.199
how that dynamic would have worked.

732
00:34:49.260 --> 00:34:50.460
Interesting.

733
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:52.199
He's really good, isn't he?

734
00:34:52.260 --> 00:34:53.340
That is such a fun scene.

735
00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:54.539
I think we talked about that.

736
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:55.739
I love that scene alone.

737
00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:58.559
Hello, when he pursues the doctor out onto the balcony, saying

738
00:34:58.559 --> 00:34:59.460
leave the mayor alone.

739
00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:05.760
And then the doctor dispatches him by sort of grappling with him

740
00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:06.780
for a bit and he runs back inside.

741
00:35:18.900 --> 00:35:24.420
So here, for the first time, we directly reference Bad Wolf.

742
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:28.619
It appears in Welsh, and then it's translated, and then the doctor

743
00:35:28.619 --> 00:35:32.039
actually mentions that he's heard this before.

744
00:35:32.099 --> 00:35:35.760
And as an audience, if we've been picking up on things, we would

745
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:39.900
have seen or heard little things, and you may or may not be saying

746
00:35:39.900 --> 00:35:42.900
there's something in this, and then he dismisses it.

747
00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:45.480
Yeah, it's a funny fake out, isn't it?

748
00:35:45.539 --> 00:35:51.780
So we don't know whether the characters have been noticing the bad

749
00:35:51.780 --> 00:35:52.559
wolf thing.

750
00:35:52.619 --> 00:35:54.119
We know that they've heard it.

751
00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:58.199
And of course, it's painted on the TARDIS in episodes 4 and five.

752
00:35:58.260 --> 00:36:02.519
So we know that they've seen it, but we've been noticing it, and

753
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:04.199
it was something that we were talking about.

754
00:36:04.260 --> 00:36:07.920
Do you remember when this season was 1st on, we were aware of it

755
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:09.539
and we were wondering what it meant?

756
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:12.179
And so this is the 1st time that the actual characters in the show

757
00:36:12.179 --> 00:36:16.260
make it clear that there's some running bad wolf thing going on.

758
00:36:16.500 --> 00:36:19.440
It's hard to remember what we thought it was going to be.

759
00:36:19.500 --> 00:36:21.300
Like, I mean, I've really forgotten.

760
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:23.880
I know that we had huge discussions about what this was, and then

761
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:27.599
going back and watching episodes to see where it was, and you pick

762
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:29.940
up on so many different things, like, you know, Bad Wolf One

763
00:36:29.940 --> 00:36:33.059
descending, all the Bad Wolf TV, like all these little things in

764
00:36:33.059 --> 00:36:33.360
the background.

765
00:36:33.420 --> 00:36:36.659
There was a bad wolf scenario that the mocks of Balhoon talks

766
00:36:36.659 --> 00:36:36.840
about.

767
00:36:36.900 --> 00:36:38.940
You've got Gwyneth the Big Bad Wolf.

768
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:41.280
You know, it's just coming up too often.

769
00:36:41.340 --> 00:36:42.960
And when the doctor dismisses it.

770
00:36:43.019 --> 00:36:44.820
It's like, I don't think we ever bought that.

771
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:47.639
It's sort of like he's trying to cover it up as if to say, well

772
00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:51.239
it's Chris Comedy doctor performance where he's trying to change

773
00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:52.320
the subject, I think.

774
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:57.960
He doesn't quite dismiss it because it looks like the doctors

775
00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:00.960
deliberately trying to not address it.

776
00:37:01.019 --> 00:37:06.000
You remember they put out a list of episode titles and they

777
00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:07.559
left...

778
00:37:07.619 --> 00:37:08.519
They left off episode 12.

779
00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:11.880
Yeah, we didn't know what the title for episode 12 was going to

780
00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:12.179
be.

781
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:16.440
And so clearly they've got to lampshade Bad Wolf before we go into

782
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:18.480
an episode that's called Bad Wolf.

783
00:37:18.599 --> 00:37:22.079
Like it needs to be there this episode, but they want to leave the

784
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:25.980
big flashback to all of the previous uses of Bad Wolf to that

785
00:37:25.980 --> 00:37:26.699
episode.

786
00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:30.840
So he can't address it now, but it needs to be there in the

787
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:31.500
episode, I think.

788
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:35.400
And you wonder if it was an original episode 11 by Paul Abbott.

789
00:37:35.460 --> 00:37:37.679
Would this have played a similar role or is Russell taking the

790
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:41.039
opportunity to say, right, let's really foreground Bad Wolf now?

791
00:37:41.099 --> 00:37:42.659
is what he does with the whole episode.

792
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:45.480
He's sort of, he's picking and choosing the things that he wants

793
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:49.079
to kind of bring to the foreground and concentrate on and make you

794
00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:49.800
take away from the series.

795
00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:51.960
I think it's a blessing in disguise.

796
00:37:52.019 --> 00:37:55.019
As I said, this is the episode that no one expected, but it's the

797
00:37:55.019 --> 00:37:58.019
one that was needed and required all of the stuff that we've

798
00:37:58.019 --> 00:38:02.460
discussed, the setup of torchwood, bad wolf relationships, et

799
00:38:02.460 --> 00:38:02.820
cetera.

800
00:38:02.940 --> 00:38:06.960
If it had been handled by somebody else, would the emotional

801
00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:09.420
payoff happen in the next 2 stories?

802
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:12.360
Like if all of this stuff wasn't flagged to tie everything in

803
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:15.659
would it lessen the impact of this series and what people's

804
00:38:15.659 --> 00:38:19.920
perception of the writing and the plan and how he delivers the

805
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:20.460
long game?

806
00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:24.539
It is a lovely scene as well, that bad wolf scene because the

807
00:38:24.539 --> 00:38:26.579
doctor's absent for the 1st half of the scene.

808
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:29.460
He kind of disappears from the action and all the dialogue is

809
00:38:29.460 --> 00:38:31.980
between Margaret and Rose and Jack.

810
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:35.699
And then it just cuts to the doctor, looking at his back, looking

811
00:38:35.699 --> 00:38:36.539
up at the words.

812
00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:39.239
And so it's given import in the direction.

813
00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:42.179
And so to then have it dismissed him, say, oh, it's nothing.

814
00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:43.380
It like hearing a word, you know?

815
00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:44.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

816
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:46.260
And one of Rose's best eye rolls.

817
00:38:46.380 --> 00:38:51.179
You know, one of the things that Doctor Who going to a 42 minute

818
00:38:51.179 --> 00:38:56.340
format means that we have less of what Stephen Moffat calls

819
00:38:56.340 --> 00:39:00.599
talking cheaply and urgently in corridors and stuff, you know.

820
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:04.920
That stuff gets cut out and it is sort of wall-to-wall action.

821
00:39:04.980 --> 00:39:09.300
And that's good, I think, from a storytelling point of view, that

822
00:39:09.300 --> 00:39:11.760
means that Doctor Who is more interesting.

823
00:39:11.820 --> 00:39:17.880
A story that takes 4 episodes to tell can now be told in much less

824
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:18.840
than half the time.

825
00:39:18.900 --> 00:39:21.659
And I think that that's good.

826
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:27.719
But I think that this story does a lot of just standing around

827
00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:32.280
talking and getting to know characters, it doesn't have to have

828
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:34.440
relentless nonstop action.

829
00:39:34.500 --> 00:39:35.820
And I miss that.

830
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:38.039
I would like to see more of that in Doctor Who.

831
00:39:38.099 --> 00:39:39.480
What's standing around talking?

832
00:39:39.539 --> 00:39:42.360
Yeah, I would like to see just a little bit more character

833
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:43.260
interaction.

834
00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:46.980
I don't think we need to have a big alien threat every week.

835
00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:49.679
I think we could have a week off every so often.

836
00:39:49.739 --> 00:39:52.500
And it's a structural thing as well, because a lot of modern

837
00:39:52.500 --> 00:39:54.719
Doctor Who covers a lot of time.

838
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:58.980
And so you jump time sequences, whereas in Boomtown, you get the

839
00:39:58.980 --> 00:40:01.739
impression that most scenes are pretty well following from the one

840
00:40:01.739 --> 00:40:02.579
that came before.

841
00:40:03.179 --> 00:40:05.099
A couple of points.

842
00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:09.239
One, by having these 42 minute episodes with a 13 episode

843
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:12.420
structure, you actually get the opportunity to have these type of

844
00:40:12.420 --> 00:40:16.860
stories, to take the place of having these scenes in other

845
00:40:16.860 --> 00:40:17.280
stories.

846
00:40:17.340 --> 00:40:22.380
I think you need this sort of story once or twice a season to give

847
00:40:22.380 --> 00:40:25.260
us that feel of characters talking around and that sort of

848
00:40:25.260 --> 00:40:27.480
resonance of character development.

849
00:40:27.539 --> 00:40:34.019
So I think the new way of telling stories in modern television and

850
00:40:34.019 --> 00:40:35.400
allows episodes like this to happen.

851
00:40:35.460 --> 00:40:38.639
Spoiler alert, like series 11 is going to have 50 minute episodes

852
00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:40.139
as opposed to 42.

853
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:44.519
Is that extra 8 minutes going to be enough to put in more

854
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:46.860
sequences of standing around in corridors?

855
00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:50.639
Like, I'm just putting it out there that you might get more of

856
00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:55.199
that with Series 11 that's either on now or about to, well, beyond

857
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:56.579
by the time this comes out, I guess.

858
00:40:56.639 --> 00:40:59.639
Be interesting to see if we think about that when we watch.

859
00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:01.800
Yeah, it will be interesting, I think.

860
00:41:01.860 --> 00:41:02.940
I want that stuff.

861
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:06.900
I just don't think TV can be what it was, where you just have

862
00:41:06.900 --> 00:41:11.099
Sarah Jane, who is a person with no particular characteristics

863
00:41:11.099 --> 00:41:14.699
other than that she's played by Liz Slade and that she gets thrown

864
00:41:14.699 --> 00:41:16.079
downstairs every so often.

865
00:41:16.139 --> 00:41:17.519
Yeah, yeah.

866
00:41:17.579 --> 00:41:21.659
But it's quite true. 42 minutes is not enough to put that in.

867
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:23.159
Will 50 minutes be enough?

868
00:41:23.219 --> 00:41:25.860
If Doctor Who came back as 60 minute episodes, would you have got

869
00:41:25.860 --> 00:41:26.820
that mix?

870
00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:28.800
I mean, it's all what if scenarios?

871
00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:31.679
Referring back to what I was saying earlier about this, the

872
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:33.780
episode that makes Captain Jack a companion.

873
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:36.840
The reason it makes him a companion is he's not driving a plot.

874
00:41:36.900 --> 00:41:37.800
He's not there for a reason.

875
00:41:37.860 --> 00:41:41.099
He's just pottering around in the background doing companion

876
00:41:41.099 --> 00:41:41.400
stuff.

877
00:41:41.460 --> 00:41:42.719
Yeah, he's being Nissa.

878
00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:44.639
Yes, I was about to say that.

879
00:41:44.699 --> 00:41:46.920
He was Anissa all along.

880
00:41:46.980 --> 00:41:51.059
I think you find he knows quite a bit about telebiogenesis.

881
00:41:52.139 --> 00:41:54.059
Almost certainly.

882
00:41:57.179 --> 00:41:59.400
I love BTown.

883
00:41:59.460 --> 00:42:01.559
I think it's a brilliant episode, but not everyone does.

884
00:42:01.619 --> 00:42:05.039
And I don't genuinely understand why people don't like it because

885
00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:06.480
it's so much fun.

886
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:10.980
I think maybe if there's a Kinsey scale of gun and frock in Doctor

887
00:42:10.980 --> 00:42:14.460
Who, then Boomtown is a very definite 6.

888
00:42:14.579 --> 00:42:17.699
It's very frock, maybe the most frocky episode since something

889
00:42:17.699 --> 00:42:19.860
like the Androids of Tara.

890
00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:21.719
There's no gun going on in it.

891
00:42:21.780 --> 00:42:23.760
There's no people pointing guns at each other.

892
00:42:23.820 --> 00:42:26.340
There's no, you know, it's all character drama.

893
00:42:26.400 --> 00:42:29.820
And, you know, I think maybe if you think tack the site, but is

894
00:42:29.820 --> 00:42:31.199
that alt drama, then it's not for you.

895
00:42:31.260 --> 00:42:35.280
I think Phandom has a problem with anxiety about not being taken

896
00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:36.059
seriously.

897
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:43.500
And because we're fans of something that is kind of opaque and

898
00:42:43.500 --> 00:42:47.159
inexplicable to a lot of people, and perhaps because we've even

899
00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:51.179
endured playground teasing in high school for having liked it

900
00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:56.760
acutely sensitive to things not being taken seriously.

901
00:42:56.820 --> 00:43:01.500
And because Boomtown throws away the alien thread.

902
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:08.099
And because in Boomtown, it's solved in such a Scooby-Doo way.

903
00:43:08.099 --> 00:43:12.900
And because the threat is so deliberately silly and cartoonyish, I

904
00:43:12.900 --> 00:43:15.119
think people may not like it for that reason.

905
00:43:15.179 --> 00:43:17.880
And I think it's easy to conflate silliness.

906
00:43:17.940 --> 00:43:22.500
So it's the silliness of a monster looking a bit NAF or a wobbling

907
00:43:22.500 --> 00:43:26.159
and the silliness of being whimsical in the script and so people

908
00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:28.619
conflate it as it's all just silly and I don't like it.

909
00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:33.119
And that was my initial reaction to this back in the day.

910
00:43:33.179 --> 00:43:35.159
Oh god, it's the Celine again.

911
00:43:35.219 --> 00:43:36.300
Oh, it's a comedy episode.

912
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:37.920
Oh, there's no real threat.

913
00:43:37.980 --> 00:43:39.659
This is really stupid, right?

914
00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:43.440
So I was very dismissive, especially considering the stakes of the

915
00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:44.159
2 stories around.

916
00:43:44.460 --> 00:43:49.739
So I think if you come to it at a certain level of understanding

917
00:43:49.739 --> 00:43:53.639
I'm going to say superficial, but if you glance at it at a certain

918
00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:56.579
level, you could dismiss it and go, I don't really like this, but

919
00:43:56.579 --> 00:44:00.059
when you start to actually watch it and analyse it like what we've

920
00:44:00.059 --> 00:44:04.980
just done in the last 50 minutes, this is a really enjoyable

921
00:44:04.980 --> 00:44:11.099
critical episode that is undervalued and should be appreciated by

922
00:44:11.099 --> 00:44:11.699
a lot more people.

923
00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:13.739
And it's a very important episode.

924
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:17.340
I mean, bad wolf parting way is an important episode, but so is

925
00:44:17.340 --> 00:44:17.460
this.

926
00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:18.599
It's important for the series.

927
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:49.320
Well, they listen about about all we have time for this week.

928
00:44:49.380 --> 00:44:52.440
We're heading off to infiltrate the television landscape of an

929
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:56.280
entire empire, which means we'll see you next week for Bad Wolf.

930
00:44:56.340 --> 00:45:00.059
In the meantime, you can find us at Flightthrough Entirety.com

931
00:45:00.059 --> 00:45:03.960
flight through Entirety on Facebook and Apple Podcasts and at FDE

932
00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:04.739
podcast on Twitter.

933
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:08.460
If you'd like to hear more of this kind of nonsense, then why not

934
00:45:08.460 --> 00:45:11.880
check out Bondfinger, our James Bond commentary podcast.

935
00:45:11.940 --> 00:45:15.300
That's bondfinger.com, bondfinger on Facebook and Apple Podcasts

936
00:45:15.300 --> 00:45:17.400
and at bondfingercast on Twitter.

937
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:21.840
Until next time, may you always remember when dining out on the

938
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:25.500
Planet Raxacorrico Fallapatorius, don't order the soup.

939
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:27.539
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

940
00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:28.619
See you soon.

941
00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:29.940
A fascinating discussion.

942
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:30.360
Goodbye.

943
00:45:36.420 --> 00:45:40.500
That was Flight 3 Entirety, starring Todd BLB, Nathan Bottomley

944
00:45:40.500 --> 00:45:43.559
and Peter Griffiths, theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, Strings

945
00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:45.059
Performance by Jane Allberg.

946
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:48.539
This episode, going one-on-one, was recorded on the 5th of August

947
00:45:48.539 --> 00:45:51.059
2018 and released on the 4th of November.

948
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:56.639
And if you want to hear our immediate reaction to each new episode

949
00:45:56.639 --> 00:46:00.179
of Jodie Whittaker's new series, just tune in to our new flash

950
00:46:00.179 --> 00:46:01.860
cast, Jodie Interterra.

951
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:06.000
That's Jody Intoterra.com and Jody Interterra on Apple Podcasts.

952
00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:09.239
Maybe that gets to be the end.

953
00:46:09.300 --> 00:46:11.039
That's pretty good.

954
00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:12.840
Either all.

955
00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:14.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

956
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:15.179
Working around.

957
00:46:16.019 --> 00:46:17.880
Yeah, yeah.

958
00:46:17.940 --> 00:46:23.460
This is what happens when we when we do this podcast is that you I

959
00:46:23.460 --> 00:46:26.099
walk away going, 0 my goodness, it happens. like you come in with

960
00:46:26.099 --> 00:46:30.900
preconceptions and then we have discussion and and I'm

961
00:46:30.900 --> 00:46:31.559
enlightened.

962
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:35.880
Or you're enlightened or you go areas you just don't think you'd

963
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:36.239
ever go to.

964
00:46:37.019 --> 00:46:40.079
I never thought about Captain Jack and Lisa.

965
00:46:40.380 --> 00:46:43.260
That's when I was watching it this time.

966
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:46.800
I thought, oh, she's here making a thing to smash an Android.

967
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:49.500
He gets to...

968
00:46:49.619 --> 00:46:51.900
Well, it's because you've got those 2 dinners.

969
00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:52.559
Do you know what I mean?

970
00:46:52.619 --> 00:46:54.119
And so there's nowhere for Jack to be.

971
00:46:54.179 --> 00:46:57.659
You've, yeah, he's, he's a 3rd wheel in that, in that bit.

972
00:47:00.780 --> 00:47:01.980
No.

973
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:04.980
Just shag a bunch of lepers.

974
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:06.539
All right.

975
00:47:07.739 --> 00:47:10.860
I don't know until next time.

976
00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:12.000
Until next time.

977
00:47:12.059 --> 00:47:16.559
May you, then then arrived before I could...

978
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:17.400
And fall apart.

979
00:47:17.460 --> 00:47:18.900
What are we doing next time?

980
00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:21.659
Until next time until next time.

981
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:23.159
May you...

982
00:47:29.699 --> 00:47:35.039
Remember never to order the soup at a Rexacorricofalipatorian

983
00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:36.719
restaurant. sounds good.

984
00:47:36.780 --> 00:47:37.920
The next time.

985
00:47:38.820 --> 00:47:43.139
Yeah, because the soup is Margaret Slovine, you see, being melted

986
00:47:43.139 --> 00:47:43.800
into us.

987
00:47:43.980 --> 00:47:45.480
Soup.

988
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:46.739
It's an eternal order.

989
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:48.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

990
00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:49.019
Still alive.

991
00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:51.480
You always remember.

992
00:47:51.539 --> 00:47:53.460
Not to order the soup.

993
00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:56.460
No, may you remember until next time.

994
00:47:56.940 --> 00:48:00.480
Remember, because it's always a Mayu.

995
00:48:00.539 --> 00:48:01.619
It hard to say, isn't it?

996
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:06.239
Until next time, may you avoid ordering the soup?

997
00:48:06.300 --> 00:48:08.219
No, but it needs to go at the end.

998
00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:10.679
The ordering the soup needs to go at the end of it for it be a

999
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:10.860
joke.

1000
00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:21.239
So until next time, uh, when you're at, when you, until next time

1001
00:48:21.239 --> 00:48:22.800
I don't want to say next again.

1002
00:48:22.860 --> 00:48:28.440
So next time you're at Araxacoracopal... next time, I can't say

1003
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:29.460
next time again.

1004
00:48:30.900 --> 00:48:34.860
May you remember the next, may you remember?

1005
00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:35.820
When you dine?

1006
00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:38.760
Yeah, when you dine on Rights of Coron Hotel, Notorious.

1007
00:48:41.820 --> 00:48:43.920
What are the Margaret's sleeping?

1008
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:46.800
The blonde flat...

1009
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:49.139
Plus in Jets Lane soup.

1010
00:48:49.619 --> 00:48:53.579
That is an awesome line repleading for mercy out of the dead

1011
00:48:53.579 --> 00:48:54.360
woman's.

1012
00:48:57.539 --> 00:49:01.380
That's what Stockaking and Waterman said to the Reynolds girls.

1013
00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:03.300
You finally said it to Noel.

1014
00:49:03.360 --> 00:49:04.260
No, I didn't go there.

1015
00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:11.820
You did. try this Is it to Jackie or Siobhan?

1016
00:49:11.820 --> 00:49:15.599
To Jackie.

1017
00:49:15.659 --> 00:49:16.440
Oh, dear.

1018
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:25.500
Well, dear listener, that's...

1019
00:49:25.500 --> 00:49:26.280
That's blue.

1020
00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:27.300
No, that's fear her.

1021
00:49:27.300 --> 00:49:28.679
Blompell fotch.

1022
00:49:28.739 --> 00:49:29.699
It has to be nice of me.

1023
00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:32.639
So bad.

1024
00:49:32.699 --> 00:49:34.260
Brandon wants to do it.

1025
00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:35.699
I think he wants through a demon.

1026
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:40.559
If I'm doing the last 3 episodes, whatever it is, I'll have to get

1027
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:41.099
a rant.

1028
00:49:41.159 --> 00:49:42.420
So bad.

1029
00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:46.320
Well, dear listener, that's about all we have time for this week.

1030
00:49:46.380 --> 00:49:49.800
We're heading off to infiltrate the entire television landscape

1031
00:49:49.800 --> 00:49:53.099
which means that we'll see you next week for Bad Wolf.