WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 14:10:21 1 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:46.320 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast, which really does want to know where Captain Jack was hiding his compact laser deluxe. 2 00:00:46.380 --> 00:00:47.039 I'm Nathan. 3 00:00:47.100 --> 00:00:48.179 I'm Todd. 4 00:00:48.240 --> 00:00:49.020 James. 5 00:00:49.079 --> 00:00:54.359 And I'm a pair of white bakerlite, falsies, and a barely concealed pistol for this one. 6 00:00:55.679 --> 00:01:04.079 Well, we've arrived back on satellite 5 only to find ourselves trapped in the kinds of TV shows that we think it's smart to utterly despise. 7 00:01:04.200 --> 00:01:09.180 Will we beat the odds or will we succumb to the machinations of the bad wolf? 8 00:01:16.500 --> 00:01:19.319 So, I'm gonna lay my cards on the table. 9 00:01:19.379 --> 00:01:26.519 This is my favourite Doctor Who episode, or at least part one of my favourite Doctor Who story of all time. 10 00:01:27.120 --> 00:01:29.400 That's a big call, Nathan. 11 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:30.840 It is a bit of a big call. 12 00:01:30.900 --> 00:01:33.000 I happy for any of you to fight me about it, if you like. 13 00:01:33.180 --> 00:01:41.340 I would have said, if I hadn't watched it this weekend, that you were wrong, but then I fell in love with it. 14 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:43.859 I hadn't watched it for about 10 years. 15 00:01:43.920 --> 00:01:44.459 Really? 16 00:01:44.519 --> 00:01:45.120 Yeah. 17 00:01:45.180 --> 00:01:51.060 And I remembered it as being, oh, you know, fun, sort of exciting, bit a bit of a mess. 18 00:01:51.120 --> 00:01:59.459 And it's just, yeah, it was just, I think it's probably one of the best season finales of the new series. 19 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:05.579 I'd like to throw in because I will be the Todd for a 2nd before Todd gets to be Todd. 20 00:02:05.640 --> 00:02:09.900 I think it's good, but it's only good because of where it sits. 21 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:25.259 So if you isolate it and watch it just as its own Doctor Who story, it's a picture postcard TV week, maybe Daily Mirror version of what Doctor Who is thought to be, and it does put that off brilliantly, it really is a very successful. 22 00:02:25.319 --> 00:02:26.580 It's meticulous writing. 23 00:02:26.639 --> 00:02:30.599 It's how a normal person thinks a Doctor Who show should be written. 24 00:02:30.659 --> 00:02:38.939 So that doesn't necessarily allow it to ever be in my top favourite list because as you said, we like to think we're better than that. 25 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:40.620 It is very well done. 26 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:43.319 But I don't think it's not as powerful in isolation. 27 00:02:43.379 --> 00:02:47.159 It's only because of all the brilliant things, you know, and the peaks and troughs of this season. 28 00:02:47.219 --> 00:02:51.300 It's like the hills and valleys of Wales itself, he said, not doing the accent. 29 00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:55.080 But you know, you've had the lumps of rose and the lumps of rose. 30 00:02:55.139 --> 00:02:55.860 I missed that one. 31 00:02:55.919 --> 00:03:05.219 And then the peaks of aliens and World War 3 and so, you know, you've got those those big moments and then the little, it's like a beautiful little symphonette. 32 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:15.900 And then you've got little moments where you've got the Dominiento of Boomtown, which is a lovely little character piece and exactly what you needed to see everybody having a lovely time and then Mickey get to say to them. 33 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:17.400 You're awful, all of you. 34 00:03:17.460 --> 00:03:19.860 You know what happens when someone says that. 35 00:03:19.919 --> 00:03:21.960 So yeah, it is beautifully done. 36 00:03:22.020 --> 00:03:29.819 I think I've said before that the kind of basic narrative unit of the new series is the season, really, rather than the story. 37 00:03:29.879 --> 00:03:33.180 And so I think that kind of reinforces what you say. 38 00:03:33.180 --> 00:03:49.199 This story is not really a story by itself so much as a culmination of things that have happened over the past, you know, 11 episodes and it draws from all sorts of previous things in the season and sort of brings them to a head. 39 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:54.780 And it climaxes a lot of narrative threads that have been going all the way along. 40 00:03:54.840 --> 00:04:01.979 And so in context, I think it does work better than perhaps in isolation. 41 00:04:02.039 --> 00:04:03.000 I would agree with that. 42 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:05.699 Can I be me for a moment? 43 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:08.099 Hi, listeners. 44 00:04:08.159 --> 00:04:08.580 How are you? 45 00:04:08.759 --> 00:04:11.340 This is a brand new episode for me. 46 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:12.719 Wait what? 47 00:04:12.780 --> 00:04:21.180 Because, like, you know, obviously I've got no memory of this episode, because I sat down to watch it and I went, oh, it's going to start in the Big Brother house. 48 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:25.079 Well, no, we get a recap of the long game. 49 00:04:25.139 --> 00:04:27.300 And I went, I don't remember that. 50 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:39.300 And then as I was watching, whether it be Big Brother, or the weakest thing, or what not to wear, or the people controlling the games, I'm going, what is this dialogue? 51 00:04:39.300 --> 00:04:41.040 What are these camera angles? 52 00:04:41.100 --> 00:04:45.779 And I'm just there going, I have edited out of my memory so much of this episode. 53 00:04:45.839 --> 00:04:50.459 I actually sat there saying to myself, I must be insane. 54 00:04:50.519 --> 00:04:52.680 I cannot remember half the dialogue. 55 00:04:52.740 --> 00:04:58.500 I think I've watched too many YouTube clips of YouTube reactors, looking at the highlights. 56 00:04:58.620 --> 00:05:03.660 And so I've got certain lines in my head, but other things, I just had no memory of. 57 00:05:03.779 --> 00:05:11.100 Nathan, you know how like when we watch the classic series, you virtually have the whole thing playing out in your head and you know all the beats. 58 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:13.860 I just had absolutely no idea. 59 00:05:13.920 --> 00:05:24.300 I checked to get up, go to the Blu-ray case, and I looked at it because I swear to God, I thought it was a special edition director's cut. 60 00:05:26.040 --> 00:05:28.920 I just I just could not believe it. 61 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:30.600 I love it. 62 00:05:30.660 --> 00:05:31.920 I'm like you. 63 00:05:31.980 --> 00:05:33.420 This is my favourite episode of the season. 64 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:35.939 Yeah, I think it really is extraordinary. 65 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:37.980 And part of it's down to Joe Hearne. 66 00:05:38.040 --> 00:05:48.120 So Joe Aherne is the director for kind of the last recording block because Christopher Eccleston allegedly refused to work with anyone else, but he is amazingly good. 67 00:05:48.180 --> 00:05:55.439 And the way this is directed, and the lighting was one of the things that struck me is so strong. 68 00:05:55.500 --> 00:06:00.360 And there's some really, really, really terrific stylish direction in it. 69 00:06:00.540 --> 00:06:02.519 It's about the direction. 70 00:06:02.579 --> 00:06:03.779 It's about using characters. 71 00:06:03.839 --> 00:06:04.439 He gets it. 72 00:06:04.500 --> 00:06:07.680 And there's also the lovely little everyman play he throws in. 73 00:06:07.740 --> 00:06:08.819 It's a morality tale. 74 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:13.319 This could actually just be done with no set, like a proper shaking spear show. 75 00:06:13.379 --> 00:06:15.959 You don't need all the bangs and whistles. 76 00:06:16.019 --> 00:06:26.339 And that's why it's done this way, I feel, because it is about K. I really didn't like it when it 1st came on because we were all hating Big Brother for the amorality of it at the time. 77 00:06:26.399 --> 00:06:36.240 That was the discussion, is that this is allowing people to be base and venal in ways that we just didn't grow up with and we would always talk not to support. 78 00:06:36.300 --> 00:06:38.639 You're really too pleased with yourself. 79 00:06:38.699 --> 00:06:41.040 We did think that, don't be too pleased with yourself. 80 00:06:41.100 --> 00:06:45.180 Yeah, it was one of the tenets of childhood of the 70s. 81 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:51.060 That's probably why the juxtaposition of that with the morality of Doctor Who works. 82 00:06:51.120 --> 00:07:00.959 And that's why it goes so beautifully, because the most chilling moment for me is when you realise they're all on satellite 5 and there's just floors and floors of this, Death Games 2000 going on. 83 00:07:01.019 --> 00:07:01.620 Yeah. 84 00:07:01.620 --> 00:07:05.279 And they all seem they all seem quite sort of okay with it. 85 00:07:05.339 --> 00:07:06.300 That's the point. 86 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:07.500 Up until the point of the death point. 87 00:07:07.560 --> 00:07:09.600 Like, you know, in the Big Brother house. 88 00:07:09.660 --> 00:07:16.319 They're, oh, yes, it's an eviction and all this sort of stuff from all together, but it's not until the moment you have to step into the corridor of death. 89 00:07:16.379 --> 00:07:17.160 The killing booth. 90 00:07:17.220 --> 00:07:19.560 Then it's suddenly like they're all sort of emotional. 91 00:07:19.620 --> 00:07:24.779 And they're all enabling it just like Russell's been telling us for years. a beautiful morality player. 92 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:27.360 And that's why the shonkiness of the sets. 93 00:07:27.420 --> 00:07:32.579 And you can see, okay, we have to save money for the finale because we're certainly not getting it on this set, all of the rest of it. 94 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:37.379 But it works really well for that as well because he always shows the banality is humanity. 95 00:07:37.439 --> 00:07:38.639 Simplicity is humanity. 96 00:07:38.699 --> 00:07:45.720 It's the modern, the modern world and its approach to television morality take into the extreme. 97 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:53.040 Well, I mean, if you think about the game shows, I'm vastly older than nearly everyone who's listening to this. 98 00:07:53.100 --> 00:08:10.079 But the game shows of my youth were sort of rather genteel affairs and, you know, blankety blanks, blankety blanks. which was plural in Australia, in fact, and was fabulously rude and sort of naughty, but just terribly funny and silly and things like sale of the century and family feud. 99 00:08:10.139 --> 00:08:19.980 And, um, what was the competitive Richard, what was the um, show, was it pot of gold or something where you would, Bernard King would criticise your singing? 100 00:08:20.100 --> 00:08:23.399 Berner King's single entendre anal dilation show. 101 00:08:23.459 --> 00:08:25.800 I think that's pretty much what they all were. 102 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:30.240 Don't don't try and search for that on YouTube though. 103 00:08:30.540 --> 00:08:36.360 If they'd done this story in the 70s, what would the reference points have been? 104 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:49.980 Well, I mean, the thing is that you can only do it at this particular time, because there is anxiety about the kinds of moral behaviour that are rewarded in competitive reality shows. 105 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:52.139 And so those shows sort of seem dark. 106 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:57.659 And the attitude of this episode to those shows is complicated. 107 00:08:57.720 --> 00:09:07.440 So, um, clearly we're celebrating all of those shows by recreating them and using all of their music, using all of the guest stars. we get Divina McColl. 108 00:09:07.500 --> 00:09:11.399 We get, you know, the Android, we get Trinny and Susanna. 109 00:09:11.460 --> 00:09:13.740 They're all in it, like the actual people. 110 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:15.419 We've licensed the music. 111 00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:18.240 We've got the logo from Demerol or whatever. 112 00:09:18.299 --> 00:09:19.320 It's all there. 113 00:09:19.379 --> 00:09:22.919 And so it's an absolute loving homage to it. 114 00:09:22.980 --> 00:09:37.440 And even the doctor, when he's talking about watching these TV shows, he loves bear with me, the one where the bear gets in the bath with them. you know, like he loves this stuff as well and it's clear that Russell does too. 115 00:09:37.500 --> 00:10:03.299 But it's a system that is backed by capitalism and we saw that the people running satellite 5 in the long game were a consortium of bankers and we saw that that was capitalism corrupting the media and now we have capitalism corrupting game shows and this is a huge system where people are just eaten up for the entertainment of other people. 116 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:06.419 So it is really conflicted in its attitude. 117 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:10.679 It loves these shows, but it kind of recognises that they're sort of awful. 118 00:10:10.740 --> 00:10:11.279 Guilty pleasure. 119 00:10:11.340 --> 00:10:11.700 Yeah. 120 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:13.740 For me, it's... 121 00:10:13.740 --> 00:10:22.860 Because these shows were still fairly new at the time, you know, Big Brother was only about 5 years old, and even the weakest think was cooling at this point. 122 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:25.019 But it's very different from now. 123 00:10:25.080 --> 00:10:29.879 Like almost 12 years later, I think, there's a different attitude. 124 00:10:29.940 --> 00:10:34.740 We were still very new, all these reality shows and a commentary. 2 it was very fresh. 125 00:10:34.799 --> 00:10:39.000 Now we were a lot more jaded and oh, it's another one of these and this is how the people are going to react. 126 00:10:39.059 --> 00:10:46.019 And you look at the editing of them now and you can virtually call it out, what it's going to be like, you know, before the commercial break. 127 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:53.340 But I just, it's just tickles my fancy, the whole, like, different lines like Davina droid going, we're going to get you. 128 00:10:53.340 --> 00:10:55.139 And, like, they're all into it. 129 00:10:55.139 --> 00:10:57.360 Android. 130 00:10:57.419 --> 00:10:59.279 I just think that is just brilliant. 131 00:10:59.340 --> 00:11:01.259 The Android is the Android. 132 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:03.120 And all of those names. 133 00:11:03.179 --> 00:11:10.080 Like you mentioned a bare one, but I had to write them down because I just crack up, like, call my bluff with real guns. 134 00:11:10.200 --> 00:11:14.220 Countdown 30 seconds to stop the bulb. 135 00:11:14.279 --> 00:11:16.799 Ground force, get turned into compost. 136 00:11:16.860 --> 00:11:18.419 Wipeout speaks for itself. 137 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:20.399 Stars in their eyes literally. 138 00:11:20.460 --> 00:11:21.720 Don't sing, get blinded. 139 00:11:21.960 --> 00:11:23.759 What? 140 00:11:23.940 --> 00:11:26.639 What would they have done to Susan Coleman? 141 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:30.419 Yeah, no, this is pretty strictly, sadly. 142 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:37.320 Let's talk about the game shows. 143 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:39.539 And we'll start with Big Brother. 144 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:50.039 So we've got Linda with a Y, who I adore, played by Joe Joyner, who went on very next year to be in EastEnders for quite some time. 145 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:52.320 And I really like Linda with a Y. 146 00:11:52.379 --> 00:11:55.440 She was the, I actually thought she was like the alternative roads. 147 00:11:55.500 --> 00:11:58.320 I think there's an attempt to make her that. 148 00:11:58.379 --> 00:12:06.960 And certainly you get that shot when the doctor calls her out into the corridor where he's just failed to be kind of evicted from life. 149 00:12:07.019 --> 00:12:10.320 And we get her point of view shot with him holding out his hand. 150 00:12:10.379 --> 00:12:12.299 Just as in rogue. 151 00:12:12.419 --> 00:12:22.740 Yeah, and then you get that lovely moment from the end of the world where she's standing in the glass appears to be, but this time Eccles doesn't save her. 152 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:29.519 Oh, there are lots of little mirrors to rows and roses introductory 1st 2 episodes in this one. 153 00:12:29.580 --> 00:12:33.240 We'll talk a little bit more about that next week when Rose and Linda meet up. 154 00:12:33.299 --> 00:12:34.740 Oh, bum. 155 00:12:34.799 --> 00:12:37.379 I conflate these episodes because to me. 156 00:12:37.500 --> 00:12:38.820 Well, because to me it is one story. 157 00:12:38.879 --> 00:12:48.059 I do think, though, it does better than, say, aliens of London in making the 2 episodes distinct. 158 00:12:48.120 --> 00:13:03.419 Aliens of London has that big giant, terrible cliffhanger that we all hated and then just sort of resolves the cliffhanger and heads off, whereas this one has, you know, we lead up to the discovery of the Daleks and there's no sort of sign that there are going to be Daleks in it. 159 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:04.740 A massive dalek farm. 160 00:13:04.799 --> 00:13:06.720 Except for the next time trailer and Boom. 161 00:13:06.779 --> 00:13:07.379 Well, that's right. 162 00:13:10.799 --> 00:13:15.419 It is interesting how they actually get into the 3 different scenarios. 163 00:13:15.539 --> 00:13:17.519 The fact that the TARDIS is invaded. 164 00:13:17.580 --> 00:13:25.559 And this seems to be the only time that it actually happens in the new series. that I can think of, like, or the old series. 165 00:13:25.620 --> 00:13:29.820 The Tarantus is usually an impenetrable fortress that people can't get into, but for some... 166 00:13:29.820 --> 00:13:34.320 Cat came along and did it to in the pyramids of Sutek, the destroyer. 167 00:13:34.379 --> 00:13:34.620 Yeah. 168 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:36.840 Well, Sutek managed to push his way in. 169 00:13:37.139 --> 00:13:38.940 Probably-ish. 170 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:40.980 He's projected his face. 171 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:46.679 Yeah, but I mean, taxi extract them out of the TARNIS, which normally it's like force field city and you can't get in. 172 00:13:46.740 --> 00:13:48.419 But we're post-time war now. 173 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:55.379 So the dialects really do understand millennial old TARDIS and how to defeat them. think that's pretty good. 174 00:13:55.440 --> 00:14:01.379 The doctor also says that it's 15000000 times stronger than any other transmat. 175 00:14:01.799 --> 00:14:03.840 That was a new line for me. 176 00:14:03.899 --> 00:14:05.220 This episode too. 177 00:14:06.059 --> 00:14:11.039 But I think it just makes it very simple, you know, it gets us there. 178 00:14:11.100 --> 00:14:14.700 What do you think of the other characters in the Big Brother house? 179 00:14:14.759 --> 00:14:27.600 So we've got Crosby and Strewed, and Crosby is the one who is evicted from life, and Strewed is the sort of rather pissy little gay boy who is very cross at the doctor's arrival. 180 00:14:27.659 --> 00:14:32.279 And it strikes me that we haven't actually seen that at all in Doctor Who before. 181 00:14:32.340 --> 00:14:44.460 You know, there've been people who've been obviously fabulously gay, even in the classic series, but, you know, a young man who just sort of seems to be terribly camp and openly gay, that seems to be a sort of new one. 182 00:14:44.519 --> 00:14:47.460 And they're super obsessed with the rules. 183 00:14:47.519 --> 00:14:49.440 They all clearly watch Big Brother at home. 184 00:14:49.500 --> 00:14:51.179 You know, they all know about it. 185 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:53.100 But wouldn't you be freaking out? 186 00:14:53.159 --> 00:14:54.120 I'm in the Big Brother house. 187 00:14:54.179 --> 00:14:55.860 I am going to die unless I win. 188 00:14:55.919 --> 00:15:01.320 But if that's the norm of your life, if like your whole existence is watching television. 189 00:15:01.379 --> 00:15:02.580 What is it? 190 00:15:02.580 --> 00:15:06.299 Like, they quote, eat, sleep, watch, TV, go to bed. 191 00:15:06.360 --> 00:15:08.039 Oh, eat chips. 192 00:15:08.759 --> 00:15:09.120 Sorry. 193 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:19.740 If your whole existence is about watching these television shows and that anyone can be in them and the way they end is with your death. 194 00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:22.799 Like, if that's the norm of your life, why would you question it? 195 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:26.580 It's been going on for what, 4 generations by this point? 196 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:27.720 Like a 100 years? 197 00:15:27.779 --> 00:15:28.320 Yeah. 198 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:31.440 But how can the, the earth just doesn't involve? 199 00:15:31.500 --> 00:15:37.200 People can't have jobs, nothing will happen because like, you know, you can't plan anything because you're going to, like, you could be extracted at any time. 200 00:15:37.259 --> 00:15:42.899 I think the level of kind of realism that we should expect from this world that's built is sort of fairly low. 201 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:54.539 When I 1st saw this, when I was a kid, I was kind of going, how come in the year 200,000, they still know about what not to wear the weakest link and Big Brother? 202 00:15:54.600 --> 00:16:01.139 And my assumption was that the villain, the guy who at the end of the next time trailer says, they survived through me. 203 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:03.120 I thought that was Adam for sure. 204 00:16:03.179 --> 00:16:04.620 Did you? 205 00:16:04.679 --> 00:16:05.279 Yeah, yeah. 206 00:16:05.340 --> 00:16:05.820 Wow. 207 00:16:05.820 --> 00:16:08.580 Well, that was how we would have known about these game shows. 208 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:12.480 But of course, I just assumed it was Janet Fielding. 209 00:16:13.980 --> 00:16:23.279 Obviously, it turns out the reason that we have these game shows in the year, you know, 200,000 is that it's on a TV show being screened in 2005. 210 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:33.720 And I also think the reason that everyone isn't freaking out in the Big Brother house is because we need the big reveal that people are going to die. 211 00:16:33.779 --> 00:16:42.299 And the reveal that these game shows are all evil and murderous comes at roughly the same time in the episode for each one. 212 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:44.220 It definitely does. 213 00:16:44.279 --> 00:16:56.879 And it does it exactly the same way of Scandwegian crime, detective fiction, which wasn't a big genre on TV or in film in the way that it is now. you know, the girl with the dragon boat bottom, that, you know, those shows. 214 00:16:56.940 --> 00:16:58.980 I think Eccles is actually in one of them, isn't he? 215 00:16:59.039 --> 00:17:06.000 But all of that stuff existed as Scandalwegian detective fiction and was really big, but it did also exist on TV at this time. 216 00:17:06.059 --> 00:17:06.960 It had just been starting. 217 00:17:07.019 --> 00:17:21.480 So folk within TV in the same way that, say, an extraordinary show like Pose at the moment, which is groundbreaking in the way the wire was five, 6 years ago, everyone within the medium is talking about it, but our lot are only talking about it this year. 218 00:17:21.539 --> 00:17:31.079 So Russell was already watching these things and seeing the next stage of dramatic television is game shows where you actually are deaded. 219 00:17:31.140 --> 00:17:33.779 Like an episode of The Goodies from 1972. 220 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:34.740 They did this as well. 221 00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:38.880 Again, because it's our podcast, we have to talk about the ostensible threat. 222 00:17:38.940 --> 00:17:48.539 And in this case, it is TV itself and how it maligns our humanity and diminishes us and makes us into a delicious sego pudding type of fair. 223 00:17:48.599 --> 00:17:49.859 Yes. 224 00:17:49.859 --> 00:17:54.539 So, the Big Brother house has Strewdon Crosby's. 225 00:17:54.539 --> 00:17:55.680 Strudel Crosby's? 226 00:17:55.740 --> 00:17:56.039 Yes, yes. 227 00:17:56.039 --> 00:17:57.299 Denise Strudel Crosby. 228 00:17:57.359 --> 00:17:57.839 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 229 00:17:57.900 --> 00:18:01.440 But Crosby is very quickly evicted from life, isn't she? 230 00:18:01.500 --> 00:18:03.599 And that's actually quite upsetting I think. 231 00:18:03.660 --> 00:18:09.240 Well, I've noticed there's a lot of people of colour that get murdered in these episodes. you noticed that? 232 00:18:09.299 --> 00:18:12.900 People complain that Doctor Who doesn't show a lot of on-screen death, but it does hear. 233 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:13.859 Oh, does. 234 00:18:13.920 --> 00:18:14.519 It always has. 235 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:18.900 I think there is a problem with the people of colour. 236 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:27.900 Look, we're recording this the week after the series 11 opening and everyone's obviously hugely upset. exactly where I was going with that. 237 00:18:27.960 --> 00:18:30.480 So we could have had a black middle-aged female companion. 238 00:18:30.539 --> 00:18:31.259 I'm right. 239 00:18:31.619 --> 00:18:34.079 And she dies. 240 00:18:34.140 --> 00:18:42.299 But I think there is a problem that if a show is going to have diverse casting is going to have diverse deaths. 241 00:18:42.420 --> 00:18:47.039 And I think people have gone through and done the maths on this. 242 00:18:47.099 --> 00:18:50.700 But it is, you know, it is a concern. 243 00:18:50.759 --> 00:18:52.859 It's something that people are aware of, I think. 244 00:18:58.920 --> 00:19:00.180 Shall we talk about the weakest link? 245 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:01.740 Yes, let's talk about the weakest link. 246 00:19:01.799 --> 00:19:07.500 So, Todd, which vowel appears in the word dangle, but not in the word glad. don't know. 247 00:19:08.579 --> 00:19:10.140 Was it you? 248 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:18.599 Oh, Joe. This is absolutely for me the most successful of the game shows. 249 00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:23.400 And the reason it's successful is that I think Billy Piper is absolutely phenomenal. 250 00:19:23.460 --> 00:19:24.720 She nails it beautifully. 251 00:19:24.779 --> 00:19:25.799 So is Patterson Joseph. 252 00:19:25.859 --> 00:19:27.660 Oh, he's appalling. 253 00:19:27.720 --> 00:19:30.480 One of the worst actors ever perpetrated in the history of Doctor Who. 254 00:19:30.539 --> 00:19:35.880 At the time, there was all these rumours that he could possibly be the next doctor. should never be... 255 00:19:35.940 --> 00:19:39.059 We should never, ever be cast in a television show ever again. 256 00:19:39.119 --> 00:19:43.559 I think he's really massively unlikeable and I think that that is a deliberate thing. 257 00:19:43.680 --> 00:19:44.880 I think he's perfect. 258 00:19:44.940 --> 00:19:47.579 He really is all those things Todd's saying. 259 00:19:47.640 --> 00:19:48.599 He's he is. 260 00:19:48.660 --> 00:19:49.259 He's vile. 261 00:19:49.380 --> 00:19:51.720 And he's not perfect with it. 262 00:19:51.779 --> 00:19:57.960 And even he even does that awful shtick when he's about to be moidered later on spoiler alert. 263 00:19:58.019 --> 00:19:59.819 And he does that with. 264 00:19:59.880 --> 00:20:01.200 Oh, everything's over the top. 265 00:20:01.259 --> 00:20:01.740 He's perfect. 266 00:20:01.799 --> 00:20:02.880 Really liked it. 267 00:20:02.940 --> 00:20:04.799 I think he's a good foil for her. 268 00:20:04.859 --> 00:20:09.660 And I think that she absolutely sells this. 269 00:20:09.720 --> 00:20:11.279 And her trajectory is our trajectory. 270 00:20:11.339 --> 00:20:17.519 Initially, we think it's really funny that Rose has found herself on the weakest link and she thinks it's really funny as well. 271 00:20:17.579 --> 00:20:25.259 And then as that 1st round plays out, everyone is getting more and more terrified. 272 00:20:25.319 --> 00:20:30.539 And there's Fitch who loses the round and who is crying. 273 00:20:30.539 --> 00:20:35.940 And you get rose just like us going, actually, like, what's the problem? 274 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:36.960 It's just a game show. 275 00:20:37.019 --> 00:20:37.859 Why are you crying? 276 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:40.619 And then, obviously, she's killed. 277 00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:47.640 However, I think it probably dawns on us before it dawns on dawns on roads, which is very clever writing. 278 00:20:47.640 --> 00:20:49.380 Billy Piper is sensational. 279 00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:59.579 I think their character played by Patterson Joseph is really well written and is absolutely perfect and he is unlikeable. 280 00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:02.700 I just, you know some actors you just dislike. 281 00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:04.380 I just dislike him. 282 00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:05.700 That's all I can say. 283 00:21:05.759 --> 00:21:07.920 I've done a lot of the roles he plays, though. 284 00:21:07.980 --> 00:21:11.700 I think that's he's got that air about him. 285 00:21:11.759 --> 00:21:13.500 That's probably why they cast it. 286 00:21:13.559 --> 00:21:14.339 Probably. 287 00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:21.180 But it is brilliant in the way the terror and the panic of these people is coming through. 288 00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:25.079 And it's much more immediate because you only have a round and you're dead. 289 00:21:25.140 --> 00:21:28.019 In Brick Brother, you have a week in the house or 3 weeks. 290 00:21:28.079 --> 00:21:30.359 Like it's only in that last moment. 291 00:21:30.420 --> 00:21:31.559 So yes. 292 00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:36.240 I think when Linda with a Y and Jack and the doctor go to rescue Rose. 293 00:21:36.299 --> 00:21:46.619 Linda gives us the impression that the weakest link is the most terrifying of the game shows and partly it's because of the Android, but I think probably it is just the rate at which people get killed as well. 294 00:21:46.680 --> 00:21:48.359 I really love the questions. 295 00:21:48.420 --> 00:21:51.299 I think the questions are just so fantastically brilliant. 296 00:21:51.359 --> 00:21:52.799 And that final round. 297 00:21:52.859 --> 00:22:06.000 The way it works is that there's that brilliant, brilliant question and it's part of the world building, which we'll talk about a little bit later, but which Icelandic city hosted murder spree 20. 298 00:22:06.420 --> 00:22:11.700 And obviously most of us at home can only name Reykjavik. 299 00:22:11.700 --> 00:22:18.299 And this is the question that if she loses, it's clear from the chiron on the screen that if she loses, she loses the round. 300 00:22:18.299 --> 00:22:24.900 And she says, Reykjavik, and you think, well, yes, no, she's been able to think of Reykjavik. 301 00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:25.680 She'll be fine. 302 00:22:25.740 --> 00:22:27.480 And of course, it isn't that at all. 303 00:22:27.539 --> 00:22:33.240 But all that other world building stuff, like she knows who the oldest inhabitant of the Iceball galaxy is. 304 00:22:33.299 --> 00:22:36.779 That's really good, you know, harking back to the face of Bo. 305 00:22:36.900 --> 00:22:42.059 And then there's a question in there about torchwood, shadowing events that is to come. 306 00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:44.819 But no, the questions are delicious. 307 00:22:44.880 --> 00:22:49.319 Yeah, it's that Russell thing of, you know, making the future sort of silly and funny. 308 00:22:49.380 --> 00:22:51.480 But it's super dark. 309 00:22:51.539 --> 00:22:56.819 Like all of the questions build up this picture of a world that is really kind of horrible, I think. 310 00:22:56.940 --> 00:23:03.180 This story is also quite rich in references to the show's past. 311 00:23:03.420 --> 00:23:07.740 But like, you know, like it's not just the references to the web planet. 312 00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:14.400 It's also the references to lunar penal colony from frontier in space. 313 00:23:14.759 --> 00:23:21.059 The fact that the controller betrays the Daleks and is then killed. 314 00:23:21.059 --> 00:23:23.460 Day of the Daleks. 315 00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:32.819 Also, the idea that you wire a girl into your computers, if you're the Daleks, you wire someone up from a very young age, she was fired. 316 00:23:32.819 --> 00:23:34.319 She is Jasmine Brake? 317 00:23:34.380 --> 00:23:35.579 She is Jasmine. 318 00:23:35.700 --> 00:23:38.640 Wow, there's a lot of little subtle references here. 319 00:23:38.700 --> 00:23:39.839 Very clever, Russell. 320 00:23:47.460 --> 00:23:49.259 What not to wear? 321 00:23:49.319 --> 00:23:50.279 What not to wear. 322 00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:52.019 With Trini and Susanna. 323 00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:53.700 This is my favourite bit. 324 00:23:53.759 --> 00:23:55.079 I like this. 325 00:23:55.140 --> 00:23:57.000 I just really thought the robots were gorgeous. 326 00:23:57.059 --> 00:23:59.579 Those robots are great. 327 00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:05.099 And having them do the voices and even reference their own advice. never wear black with colour. 328 00:24:05.160 --> 00:24:07.740 My mother has been saying that for years, news. 329 00:24:09.359 --> 00:24:14.160 And you referenced earlier, I think, Richard, to the fact that... 330 00:24:14.220 --> 00:24:18.480 Well, Jack, Jack strokes, the breasts. 331 00:24:18.539 --> 00:24:19.079 Yes, he does. 332 00:24:19.140 --> 00:24:20.099 Yes, he really does. 333 00:24:20.220 --> 00:24:25.140 It was another moment that I had that I could not remember, which was mute for me. 334 00:24:25.500 --> 00:24:29.220 I was looking at it and going, surely that would be cut. 335 00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:32.160 And robo breasts. 336 00:24:32.220 --> 00:24:33.900 There's probably no rule. 337 00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:44.339 Yeah, like, unlike, unlike Jack's butt, which was the only cut the BBC asked for in series one was, like, originally, originally that shot. 338 00:24:44.339 --> 00:24:45.480 I thought his bum was in it. 339 00:24:45.539 --> 00:24:52.140 Well, no, but in the original film, in the original filming, they had shot at full length. 340 00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:53.039 You could see his bottom. 341 00:24:53.099 --> 00:24:58.500 And they edited it so that it cuts at just the right moment that you don't. 342 00:24:58.559 --> 00:25:02.160 James, in my extended cut that I watched. think I saw it. 343 00:25:03.779 --> 00:25:06.720 That was in your imagination. 344 00:25:06.779 --> 00:25:07.619 I swear it was there. 345 00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:09.599 I watched it last night. 346 00:25:09.660 --> 00:25:10.200 It wasn't. 347 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:13.500 Now with added butt shot. 348 00:25:13.559 --> 00:25:16.559 The fabricator. 349 00:25:16.619 --> 00:25:19.019 What a wonderful device that was. 350 00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:21.059 It's so funny. 351 00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:22.200 We're laughing about it now. 352 00:25:22.259 --> 00:25:27.000 It's just such a great play on defibrillator, but in the context. 353 00:25:27.059 --> 00:25:33.420 It's just so appropriate for them and Jack and I'm just smiling now, listeners. 354 00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:35.460 Yeah, it's really sort of terribly great. 355 00:25:35.460 --> 00:25:38.160 And it plays to Barrowman's strengths. 356 00:25:38.220 --> 00:25:40.140 You know, he's so ludicrously confident. 357 00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:51.779 There used to be this sort of story that he would get naked in radio interviews, like in the studio or he would at least sort of talk about stripping off in sort of BBC radio for interviews and stuff like that. 358 00:25:51.839 --> 00:26:01.079 He's just sort of super confident and the fact that he's completely unfazed about just sort of having his clothes dissolved on global television. 359 00:26:01.140 --> 00:26:04.019 Your reachings just went up. 360 00:26:04.079 --> 00:26:07.500 Because you could imagine that other people may not be. 361 00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:08.579 They would be freaking out. 362 00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:13.500 And I think the great thing is that you know these other 2 game shows really well. 363 00:26:13.559 --> 00:26:22.140 People may not know not what to wear as much because it's, you know, they're helping people with style and you kind of think, well, well, where's this going to go? 364 00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:28.740 And then of course, it's all about chopping off the head and stitching on whatever we've got, you know, to make you look even more fabulous. 365 00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:33.660 I think they're super menacing. fabulously fabulously menacing. 366 00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:40.440 And I think it's just before a cut to a scene where, you know, one of them pulls off their hands and reveals the big chainsaw and stuff. 367 00:26:40.500 --> 00:26:47.099 I just think all of that is so tremendously funny because it's the odd man out. 368 00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:50.099 It's not really a competitive reality show, is it? 369 00:26:50.160 --> 00:27:02.819 It's sort of more of a makeover show and they tend to be actually look, they're all about consumption and they're superficial, but it's not quite the cutthroat thing that the weakest link is, for example. 370 00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:06.779 Well, it's, I mean, we now call that lifestyle, don't we? 371 00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:09.779 Like, it's not specifically about the reality. 372 00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:10.980 It's about the style. 373 00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:13.799 I mean, it's actually, in a way, is not negative. 374 00:27:13.859 --> 00:27:20.099 Yeah, I mean, I'm a big fan of those shows where someone comes in and sort of helps someone improve their lives. 375 00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:25.680 And, you know, Gordon Ramsay, who is a person about whom it's possible to have opinions. 376 00:27:25.740 --> 00:27:40.920 You know, it swears at people and sort of screams and is generally obnoxious and then goes into a restaurant and changes it to look identical to the restaurant from the previous program, you know, but there is something sort of fun about an expert coming in to sort of help out. 377 00:27:40.980 --> 00:27:49.980 I like the fact that they turn this lifestyle show on its head with the face off at the end, which is just a brilliant name. 378 00:27:49.980 --> 00:27:56.160 But of course, Jack then has the great comedy moment of revealing. 379 00:27:56.279 --> 00:28:02.819 Where were you hiding that with the compact laser deluxe, which, of course, you don't want to think too much about. 380 00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:06.359 Like, it's one of those silly... 381 00:28:06.420 --> 00:28:09.000 It's one of those silly moments from Russell Witches. 382 00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:10.799 Great how small it was. that small. 383 00:28:10.859 --> 00:28:11.579 No? 384 00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:12.900 Oh no, it's absolutely not. 385 00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:17.819 It wasn't quite a pinecone off the Christmas tree, but it wasn't that wee. 386 00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:19.380 I'm sure he prepped. 387 00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:58.319 One of the delicious things about these game shows is they're all running parallel, which everything's getting revealed at once, and what's going on is dawning on both Rose and the doctor at the same time that things aren't as they are, and we're all heading to try and escape. and the doctor does escape with Linda to try and find the others and we then get some really nice moments between him and Linda discussing what's going on on satellite 5 when it dawns on him and that's where he is and he thinks he's put everything to right. 388 00:28:58.380 --> 00:29:07.859 But of course, he hasn't, and it's coming back to that thing about consequences and the contrast with the original series where the doctor would just leave and that's it. 389 00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:15.960 But here, leaving 5 episodes ago, um, actually has had big ramifications by just... 390 00:29:16.019 --> 00:29:18.359 And he says I created this world. 391 00:29:18.420 --> 00:29:19.619 This is the world that I created. 392 00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:21.420 He was Zoanna all the time. 393 00:29:22.019 --> 00:29:24.720 But I mean, this is the world we live in now. 394 00:29:24.779 --> 00:29:29.880 Half of us are too fat, half of us are too thin and we're all kind of anaesthetized by watching television. 395 00:29:29.940 --> 00:29:32.940 This is just what's happening now. 396 00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:39.779 In series three, we'll see the Daleks being used very explicitly as a metaphor for capitalism. 397 00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:42.839 But I think that here they are as well. 398 00:29:42.900 --> 00:29:48.119 And they're going to get even more interesting because we haven't actually seen them this episode yet. 399 00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:58.440 No, at this point, you don't quite know who's in control, but then Linda turns on the lights in the level that they're on and we get to see Bad Wolf. 400 00:29:58.500 --> 00:30:01.859 And again, we get another flashback sequence to all the... 401 00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:03.059 All the uses of bad wolf. 402 00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:03.900 Bad Wolf. 403 00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:09.059 And so Russell is very good at directing your thoughts in one direction about this corporation. 404 00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:20.700 You don't know that it's, I'm not going to talk about next week's episode, but ultimately, by the end of this episode, you believe that it is the Daleks that are... 405 00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:21.960 Thank you for that. 406 00:30:22.019 --> 00:30:29.279 But the Bad Wolf Corporation has been running satellite 5 for years, and we learn later that the Daleks have been as well. 407 00:30:29.339 --> 00:30:40.380 Just check out our episode on the long game because Bad Wolf is clearly Fox, and the long game is about the effect of the Fox network. 408 00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:43.440 And that did not occur to me until I listened to that episode. 409 00:30:43.500 --> 00:30:44.819 I watched Murphy Brown. 410 00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:49.500 Like, I kind of, oh, gosh, how stupid am I? 411 00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:50.400 No, no. 412 00:30:50.460 --> 00:30:55.380 I mean, we know that Bad Wolf is a thing, but it actually occurs natively here. 413 00:30:55.440 --> 00:31:03.420 All of the other times we'll discover that Billy scattered it through time and space, but this is the place where the words bad wolf originate from. 414 00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:07.380 So the Bad Wolf Corporation, the people who run the games. 415 00:31:07.380 --> 00:31:08.880 Or are they? 416 00:31:08.940 --> 00:31:14.460 The point of this is, again, it's working because it's not what we're just seeing on screen. 417 00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:18.180 It's what we're taking from a lot of other shoes. 418 00:31:19.019 --> 00:31:25.920 Russell's a really clever man and so is Julian, so is Phil Collinson, and they're looking at what are antecedents to this? 419 00:31:25.980 --> 00:31:27.059 He loves fairy stories. 420 00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:34.380 All these references you're talking about with Red Riding Hood or Rose Riding Hood, leaving scattering breadcrumbs in her trail. 421 00:31:34.500 --> 00:31:35.940 Again, is a grim fairy story. 422 00:31:36.059 --> 00:31:40.380 Now Russell is mates with Marina Warner, who's one of the best writers. 423 00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:49.200 She's actually the modern take on Joseph Campbell and we've referenced Joseph Campbell before because of course he wrote the 1st Star Wars script for George Lucas. 424 00:31:49.259 --> 00:31:49.559 He did. 425 00:31:49.619 --> 00:31:53.339 But he was the 1st professor of mythology, international mythology. 426 00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:58.259 I mean, that's just every guy you meet who sells comics now, but back then, it was a very rare thing. 427 00:31:58.319 --> 00:32:05.940 Marina Warner has a chair at Cambridge where she does the same thing and she writes constantly and wonderfully and has done since I left high school. 428 00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:14.160 Monuments and maidens is her 1st book, the allegory of the female form, and she talks about Mae West, the statue of liberty, and there's another American icon. 429 00:32:14.220 --> 00:32:14.640 She does. 430 00:32:14.700 --> 00:32:20.759 She's fabulous and funny and camp and clever, but she also completely dissected the grim fairy stories. 431 00:32:20.819 --> 00:32:32.039 And a lot of these references that Russell's throwing in here are very much Marina Warner's archetypes and writing about how modern culture is so imbued with exactly the same stories. 432 00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:46.859 Culture doesn't change is what Campbell and Marina Warner is saying, that we just go round and round in circles, repeating, not necessarily in a bad way, but repeating our errors and our foibles and our little ways. sometimes we part our little ways, but we're not up there yet. 433 00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:59.819 But yeah, the point is that these lovely circles of narrative and gormlessness, if you like, that the follies that we trip over ourselves, but sometimes they can be the same things that save us. 434 00:32:59.819 --> 00:33:03.119 The silliness and the childishness can be the things that rescue us. 435 00:33:03.180 --> 00:33:08.099 I won't crap on about it too much, but I think I've already presaged my pick of the week there. 436 00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:14.460 I think, too, that when Gwyneth 1st mentioned Bad Wolf. yeah that's right. 437 00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:17.640 When Gwyneth from The Unquiet Dead 1st mentions Bad Wolf. 438 00:33:17.700 --> 00:33:23.640 She says The Big Bad Wolf in the Darkness, and it sounds like just a reference to a groom's fairy tale. 439 00:33:23.700 --> 00:33:26.400 It does, that makes that egg out of Boomtown. very rude. 440 00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:39.539 Did you know, the woman who plays the female programmer? 441 00:33:39.660 --> 00:33:41.099 was a Red Kang. 442 00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:42.960 Reno. 443 00:33:43.019 --> 00:33:45.960 I knew you were going to do James's hottie list. 444 00:33:46.019 --> 00:33:47.700 Which one was she? 445 00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:50.039 She was one of the non-speaking. 446 00:33:50.099 --> 00:33:51.299 I want you to tell me she was married to? 447 00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:52.740 She was married to Turlow. 448 00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:54.660 No, too good. 449 00:33:55.140 --> 00:33:55.500 James. 450 00:33:55.559 --> 00:33:58.500 I've just taken off a point. 451 00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:02.160 Yeah, so initially they are, the love interest. 452 00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:03.960 Female programmer. 453 00:34:04.019 --> 00:34:05.160 She was one of the kennels. 454 00:34:05.220 --> 00:34:05.940 Oh that's lovely. 455 00:34:06.059 --> 00:34:09.780 Also, the controller, her father was in Doctor Who. 456 00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:10.860 What? 457 00:34:10.860 --> 00:34:14.400 Yeah, so was he the Fury from Martha Cope? 458 00:34:14.460 --> 00:34:16.320 Is that where she got all the daughter of Kenneth Cope? 459 00:34:16.380 --> 00:34:17.280 Kenneth Cope. 460 00:34:17.340 --> 00:34:19.800 He was Packard in Warrior's Gate. 461 00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:23.639 And he's actually a popper act in Randall and Hopkirk. 462 00:34:23.699 --> 00:34:26.760 I didn't realise he was no, he's an actual proper actor. 463 00:34:26.820 --> 00:34:28.199 Yes, she's his daughter. 464 00:34:28.260 --> 00:34:29.340 Oh, that's lovely. 465 00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:31.139 You know, I'm a Doctor Who fan. 466 00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:33.659 I'm like, what have I seen this person here? 467 00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:34.679 That's my husband mad. 468 00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:49.800 You know, I have to say this, and I think listeners may be wanting a rant off me, but I find it really hard to rant about a lot of episodes because they're generally of a good standard and there's only little things that sort of annoy me. 469 00:34:49.860 --> 00:34:51.480 But I'm going to move on from all of that. 470 00:34:51.539 --> 00:35:04.980 I'm going to say, we're almost up to the point where the doctor and the team are going to rescue Rose, but there is a conversation that the doctor does have with Linda, where she asks who he is, and then she actually says, I could come with you. 471 00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:10.199 And I remember watching that at the time thinking, oh, oh, that's not good. 472 00:35:10.260 --> 00:35:20.820 At the moment, I just feel that moment people say I could come with you and voice themselves on the doctor, I always get red flags as too well that could not possibly end well. 473 00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:28.800 So I might be misremembering, but it's just something that came into my mind when I watched and I kind of thought, oh, you might be doomed. 474 00:35:28.860 --> 00:35:35.460 I also think, too, that we didn't know what sort of show this was or what its rules were even now. 475 00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:48.780 And it's just possible that she comes along because something is going to happen to Rose's next episode, that we may be introducing Joe Joyner's character in order for her to replace Billy Piper. 476 00:35:48.840 --> 00:35:49.980 It's very much what it feels like. 477 00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:56.820 Yeah, but who knows that that wasn't planted in the scripts early on just to be... 478 00:35:56.880 --> 00:35:58.260 I think we'll talk about that next week. 479 00:35:58.320 --> 00:35:58.800 Yeah. 480 00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:00.900 And her character's name is Linda Moss. 481 00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:02.699 Reminds me of something else. 482 00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:04.139 Press gang. 483 00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:05.340 Who the woman in this game? 484 00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:06.659 So she's Linda Day. 485 00:36:06.780 --> 00:36:08.760 And she is Linda with a Y. 486 00:36:08.820 --> 00:36:14.579 And I also think that Linda with a Y is a great way of getting you to remember her name. 487 00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:25.019 We even get a little bit of deft exposition about Linda with an eye damaging one of the cameras when she's introducing herself, and that bit of exposition becomes, you know, crucial to the doctor's escape. 488 00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:29.039 So I think it's just a little bit of clever writing, but it's such a charming performance. 489 00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:33.300 She's so vulnerable and she's dead sweet, just like the doctor says. 490 00:36:33.360 --> 00:36:43.739 That's a beautiful little scene where she's terrified that she might be evicted because no one even knows who she is and the doctor says that she's dead sweet. 491 00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:45.420 That's foreshadowing. 492 00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:49.980 I know, but it also sort of struck me as a kind of slang that the doctor would never have used before either. 493 00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:51.900 Yeah, which is beautiful. 494 00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:53.400 Like it's such a nice scene. 495 00:36:53.460 --> 00:36:55.500 He lies to make her feel better. 496 00:36:56.280 --> 00:37:02.340 So then they go into rescue Rose at the crescendo of the weakest link. 497 00:37:02.340 --> 00:37:06.360 And I just want to say, you know, shout out. 498 00:37:06.420 --> 00:37:08.639 One of the answers is Hazel Dean. 499 00:37:08.699 --> 00:37:09.599 Yes. 500 00:37:09.659 --> 00:37:15.179 And I almost fell over because I, again, this was new to me, listeners, watching this episode. 501 00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:18.059 I think he actually says San Hazeldean. 502 00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:21.000 Like, like, he, he, like, it's a space name. 503 00:37:21.059 --> 00:37:27.900 Yeah, like, well, like, something, it was a line about, like, a fault line or an earthquake or something like that. 504 00:37:27.900 --> 00:37:28.800 I can't remember exactly. 505 00:37:28.860 --> 00:37:30.539 Where did this happen? 506 00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:31.739 San Hazeldean? 507 00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:38.639 And if you don't know Hazel Dean is a 1980s pop star in the UK who had about 3 big hits. 508 00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:43.860 It does turn out to that Jackie Collins is still a well-known author in 200,000 times. 509 00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:47.219 So anyway, Rose loses. 510 00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:50.400 And then she gets blasted into dust. 511 00:37:50.460 --> 00:37:55.079 Just as the doctor's rescuing her and she's running towards him and off she goes. 512 00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:58.260 That's another reference to the twin dilemma. 513 00:37:58.380 --> 00:37:59.880 Zanium. 514 00:37:59.940 --> 00:38:00.840 What? 515 00:38:00.900 --> 00:38:02.159 The dust on the ground. 516 00:38:02.219 --> 00:38:02.940 Yes. 517 00:38:02.940 --> 00:38:06.179 Is, is, is... of transmat being. 518 00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:08.940 If they don't say that in this episode, do they? 519 00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:12.420 No, but someone picks it up and it's silvery dust on the floor. 520 00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:15.179 I would never have believe. 521 00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:18.780 I'd be sitting here thinking that this episode links to the twin dilemma. 522 00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:20.880 But all 3 of the rest of us thought of it. 523 00:38:20.940 --> 00:38:21.599 Yeah, we did. 524 00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:22.500 So you're watching. 525 00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:23.579 Yeah, constantly. 526 00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:25.019 Thanks for that, mate. 527 00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:27.719 Despite the fact of the real Colin Baker. 528 00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:32.280 We know who the weakest link is. people. 529 00:38:32.340 --> 00:38:33.719 Goodbye. 530 00:38:35.219 --> 00:38:36.900 What a moment. 531 00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:38.039 Like, and the music. 532 00:38:38.099 --> 00:38:42.480 The music at that point, just the way, oh, and his reaction. 533 00:38:42.539 --> 00:38:45.059 I remember thinking at the time, this can't be happening. 534 00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:46.079 This can't be real. 535 00:38:46.139 --> 00:38:47.579 They have to get out of it. 536 00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:48.960 How? 537 00:38:49.019 --> 00:38:50.219 How could they possibly do it? 538 00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:51.179 Exactly. 539 00:38:51.239 --> 00:39:04.500 I also think too that that moves into some of the most smartly directed Doctor Who that we've had this episode because it's all been sort of cardboard sets because we've been doing sort of cheap game show knockoffs. 540 00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:18.420 But suddenly the camera becomes all sort of German impressionism, where we're seeing it from the doctor's point of view, there's action going on in the background, but it's out of focus and the sound is muted. 541 00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:19.500 We bring up the music. 542 00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:27.000 We're just on the doctor's face and all we're invited to think about is how devastated the doctor is by this. 543 00:39:27.059 --> 00:39:38.099 And we see, you know, they go into that sort of grungy industrialist kind of cell and it just looks like the doctor's been completely broken. 544 00:39:40.019 --> 00:39:49.559 The next sequence is a really interesting, like, in the interrogation cell or the prison cell that they're put into and just sitting there and these guys are shouting at them. 545 00:39:49.619 --> 00:39:52.320 Spoiler alert to no one. 546 00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:53.880 I had no memory of this. 547 00:39:53.940 --> 00:40:03.900 Like when I watched it, I literally sat there going, I remember them getting out of the cell, but none of this shouting at the doctor and telling them that they're going to go to the lunar colonies or whatever it is. 548 00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:06.059 It's really quite disturbing. 549 00:40:06.179 --> 00:40:16.019 It's shot very differently from the way Doctor Who normally is too, because it's like a lot of short scenes all happening in the same place, where each shot is a sort of different time period. 550 00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:19.500 They're clearly in there for a long time being sort of interrogated. 551 00:40:19.500 --> 00:40:22.440 And you get absolutely no response from the doctor at any point. 552 00:40:22.500 --> 00:40:23.880 He's done. 553 00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:26.280 But then on a dime. 554 00:40:26.340 --> 00:40:27.599 It's sort of like let's do this thing. 555 00:40:27.659 --> 00:40:29.159 Yeah, boom. 556 00:40:29.219 --> 00:40:30.300 Yeah. 557 00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:31.079 And they escape. 558 00:40:31.139 --> 00:40:34.019 But I think that, you know, that's that scene is beautifully lit. 559 00:40:34.019 --> 00:40:35.519 The sets look incredible. 560 00:40:35.579 --> 00:40:37.380 It's really something. 561 00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:43.619 And the doctor and Jack are quite violent in kind of overcoming the guards, they're sort of kicks and stuff like that. 562 00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:44.880 It's a pretty good scene. 563 00:40:44.940 --> 00:40:45.900 It is. 564 00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:51.239 And they make their way up to control, which we've seen a few times already. 565 00:40:51.300 --> 00:40:55.079 We haven't really talked about the nail and female programmer, have we? 566 00:40:55.139 --> 00:40:56.820 So is it Davish Papel? 567 00:40:56.880 --> 00:41:07.019 Well, they're actually just credited as male and female programmers and the male ones only given a name so that he can properly flirt with Captain Jack next episode. 568 00:41:07.500 --> 00:41:11.280 I think they're good performances from both of them. 569 00:41:24.780 --> 00:41:30.059 You get the feeling that she's the controller, but she's not in control. 570 00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:32.280 There's somebody behind her. 571 00:41:32.340 --> 00:41:34.019 Very much so, yes. 572 00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:35.460 And is it the banks? 573 00:41:36.059 --> 00:41:36.300 is it? 574 00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:42.239 As classic series Doctor Who fans, did we think it was the Daleks? 575 00:41:42.300 --> 00:41:46.079 I don't know that we didn't particularly, no. 576 00:41:46.139 --> 00:41:49.199 I mean, it's almost impossible to remember from this sort of distance, I think. 577 00:41:49.260 --> 00:41:56.880 I think it's impossible to tell what you would have thought if it hadn't been spoiled for you. 578 00:41:56.940 --> 00:42:06.179 I mean, I cannot separate the fact that I knew the Daleks were coming that back this week because of the next time trailer at the end of the previous episode. 579 00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:15.119 So you know, outside of the story itself, you know, you know the Daleks are behind it somehow, or they're behind something in the episode. 580 00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:26.099 If you didn't have any of those next time trailers at all, if there was no sort of lead in between episodes, it would be a much bigger surprise. 581 00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:31.860 Originally, the next time trailers were just there because the episodes were underrunning, I think. 582 00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:39.300 But Russell's previous shows had Next Time trailers, so Queer as Folk, for instance, and the Second Coming both have Next Time trailers. 583 00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:48.360 And I actually think that it manages to create a little cliffhanger in a way that, you know, we don't normally have, because we don't have that many two-part story. 584 00:42:48.420 --> 00:42:52.739 So it is a way of getting us to come back next week, which is what the cliffhanger is. 585 00:42:52.860 --> 00:43:04.500 And I also think, too, that anything kind of that's revealed outside the show, and we're sort of acutely aware of this very, very spoiler-free kind of atmosphere that we've got now with series 11. 586 00:43:04.739 --> 00:43:07.619 Everything that is released, I think, is deliberately released. 587 00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:16.559 And so I think the effect of knowing that the Daleks are back this week is that as we're watching it, we sit down waiting for the Daleks to come. 588 00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:25.380 And, you know, 30 minutes in, 35 minutes in, there's no sign of them, and maybe we've forgotten about it by then because it's all been sort of fairly engaging. 589 00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:37.440 But that does make me suspect that I probably was thinking that the controller who had been there since she was 5 might have been being controlled by the Daleks. 590 00:43:37.500 --> 00:43:39.480 But I guess I couldn't be sure. 591 00:43:39.659 --> 00:43:48.420 I think it's a sort of fairly standard scene, sort of action scene where suddenly the doctor, again, is a man with a gun running up to avenge the death of his woman. 592 00:43:48.539 --> 00:43:53.400 He's so broken that he turns into a sort of standard action hero. 593 00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:57.360 And then very quickly that's diffused with that fantastic scene. 594 00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:01.320 I like the way that Rossell always writes that that is the ultimate defeat for the doctor. 595 00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:04.440 Yeah. to become an American. 596 00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:09.840 And the last time he did that was... 597 00:44:09.900 --> 00:44:10.500 Yeah, yeah. 598 00:44:10.500 --> 00:44:12.239 So, I mean, there's another parallel. 599 00:44:12.300 --> 00:44:19.920 But he immediately throws his gun to the male programmer, which I just think is a fabulously doctor-ish thing to do. 600 00:44:19.980 --> 00:44:24.059 It's like Paul McGann holding a gun to his head, only not really, really terrible. 601 00:44:25.980 --> 00:44:29.099 Whereas I don't think Jack gives up his guns. 602 00:44:29.219 --> 00:44:31.500 No, he's not out of bounds kind of guy. 603 00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:46.619 But he does get into the Tartars and into the plot point of working out that the death rays, in fact, not the death ray, so that we can have a joyous scene between the doctor and Jack. 604 00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:48.119 Don't you think? 605 00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:54.539 He should have just rushed in and said, actually, I've just discovered that the death rays don't kill people, they just transport you. 606 00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:59.340 Instead, he just tells me that, you stand over here while I shoot him. 607 00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:02.159 It's a fantastic scene. 608 00:45:02.219 --> 00:45:04.800 It's like super amazing and she's really good in it. 609 00:45:05.099 --> 00:45:07.260 Show don't tell. 610 00:45:09.059 --> 00:45:10.440 Yes. 611 00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:13.800 Yes, she's here's one I made earlier. 612 00:45:13.860 --> 00:45:15.360 Oh, yes, I'm going to show you. 613 00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:20.039 And when she comes back, she's sort of like wobbly and stunned. 614 00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:22.440 You can't help but laugh. 615 00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:32.280 And of course, at that point, then we do cut to the Daleks spaceship and that wonderful music that is part of them. 616 00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:33.719 Well, that is Philip Glass. 617 00:45:33.780 --> 00:45:39.719 And then it's actually, um, it's actually Bernard Herman, and then it's Philip Glass. 618 00:45:39.780 --> 00:45:45.179 Murray Gold, like this podcast, like Doctor Who is always good when he's doing something else, somebody else. 619 00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:47.039 It is, it's great music. 620 00:45:47.099 --> 00:45:48.059 It's Ark Norton. 621 00:45:48.119 --> 00:45:52.139 Lifted directly from Philip Blast's opera. chanting what is... 622 00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:53.039 Oh, the chanting stuff. 623 00:45:53.340 --> 00:45:55.860 No, I was talking about the actual moments of introduction. 624 00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:57.179 No, the chanting is what? 625 00:45:57.239 --> 00:45:58.320 Yeah I don't know. 626 00:45:58.380 --> 00:46:00.480 I'd heard Hebrew as well, I think. 627 00:46:00.539 --> 00:46:05.880 The source of design is from where, you know, the source of where it's from? 628 00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:10.860 very close to the comics from the 60s, the century 21 Dalek back panel strip. 629 00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:13.500 We're back to the tiny gun again, aren't we? 630 00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:13.739 Yes. 631 00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:26.159 Do you remember the Dalek Invasion of Earth DVD release where there's a special option where you can replace the wobbly tinfoil plate with a sort of rather stately version of these. 632 00:46:26.219 --> 00:46:27.719 Yeah, it looks like them. 633 00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:29.340 And that like that predates that. 634 00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:32.400 So it is the classic sort of flying saucer things. 635 00:46:32.460 --> 00:46:47.280 And I think that Russell has said in interviews that Terry Nation had always really wanted to create a giant space opera with 1000s of Daleks and spaceships and stuff and now we can finally do it. 636 00:46:47.340 --> 00:46:50.940 So this is what Dalek Masterplan might have looked like. 637 00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:56.639 And the artists, was it Eric Eden, who drew the Century 21 strip for part of it. 638 00:46:56.699 --> 00:47:08.280 Anyway, they all started working on Frank Hampson's Dan Dare strips of the early 1950s, and just a little squee moment, the Dalek missiles directly lifted from tree missiles from Dan Dare. 639 00:47:08.340 --> 00:47:09.539 I know. 640 00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:17.820 These things are so important to people like us I really love the whole reveal of all of those ships. 641 00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:22.980 I love the fact that, you know, we've got dialogue about someone's been playing a long game. 642 00:47:24.179 --> 00:47:41.280 And then we obviously get the 1000s of ships and 1000s, half a 1000000 Daleks or whatever have been created and the Daleks, of course, monitor it and go, we have been detected and announced to the doctor that we have your associate. 643 00:47:41.340 --> 00:47:45.420 Yes, they don't have friends, Daleks. sexual association? 644 00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:49.920 No companions, no assistance, just your associate. 645 00:47:49.980 --> 00:47:53.639 So this is a different kind of cliffhanger. 646 00:47:53.699 --> 00:48:01.320 This is a rose in Peril cliffhanger, and the final shot is her being surrounded by lots of kind of Daleks floating Daleks and stuff like that. 647 00:48:01.380 --> 00:48:04.619 But it's not quite that, is it? 648 00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:06.420 Because of the doctor's speech. 649 00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:08.460 What do we think of this as a cliffhanger? 650 00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:09.179 No. 651 00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:11.699 What is the meaning of this negative, dog? 652 00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:12.480 don't know. 653 00:48:13.860 --> 00:48:16.679 I'm as confused as a dalek. 654 00:48:16.739 --> 00:48:18.659 But it's very effective. 655 00:48:18.659 --> 00:48:30.780 Traditionally, that sort of cliffhanger would have been exterminate, exterminate, exterminate, and a close-up on the companion is completely subverting what you expect. 656 00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:32.579 She's not dead. 657 00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:35.280 And she's not in immediate peril. 658 00:48:35.340 --> 00:48:38.460 She's not about to be exterminated. 659 00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:48.599 It's the doctor being powerful and triumphant and spurred on by his desire to get his friend out of out of danger. 660 00:48:48.659 --> 00:48:51.420 The only thing is not doing is the Austrian accent. 661 00:48:51.539 --> 00:48:54.960 They've already lampshaded President Schwarzenegger. 662 00:48:55.019 --> 00:49:01.199 And you think, if only that actually just watched that episode of The Simpsons and said President Trump, we were all, oh, God. 663 00:49:01.260 --> 00:49:03.300 But yeah, because it is. 664 00:49:03.360 --> 00:49:13.019 It's a Schwarzenegger moment, which in itself is a John Ford, John Houston, Western moment where everything is gone, you know, the farms are burnt, the cattle is lost. 665 00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:13.860 So what do we do? 666 00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:15.599 We just say, no, no, you haven't won. 667 00:49:15.659 --> 00:49:25.500 I'm going to come in loan without a gun and I'm going to bitch slap and tongue lash the buggery out of all of you and you go to whimper, whimper. 668 00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:29.519 Yes. with all my northern brittle edginess. 669 00:49:29.579 --> 00:49:31.199 He's quite camp. 670 00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:40.679 I think the closest parallel is the, there's one thing you don't put into a trap speech in time of angels in series five. 671 00:49:40.739 --> 00:49:43.860 We know that the doctor is going to rescue her. 672 00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:48.780 There's absolutely no doubt after that speech that she isn't in peril. 673 00:49:48.900 --> 00:49:49.679 She'll be fine. 674 00:49:49.739 --> 00:49:57.360 And so the big thing that we're looking forward to is the doctor actually doing that, what's he going to do next week? 675 00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:10.980 The next time trailer, when I was watching this, comes literally straight away, like it's not at the end of the credits, it's boom, straight up. 676 00:50:11.039 --> 00:50:19.440 And I guess I'm used to them being at the end credits based on 10 series, but in this series they're not always there. 677 00:50:19.500 --> 00:50:22.199 There's sort of like a 2nd cliffhanger. 678 00:50:22.260 --> 00:50:22.559 Yeah. 679 00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:25.500 By having that because there's that big booming voice. 680 00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:26.639 It survived through me. 681 00:50:26.699 --> 00:50:28.800 You think, what the blazes is that? 682 00:50:28.860 --> 00:50:34.260 That's another besides that I'm left with what is this big voice? 683 00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:36.420 through me, Peter. 684 00:50:36.900 --> 00:50:38.760 See, Janet. 685 00:50:38.820 --> 00:50:41.579 I think it's a great 2nd cliffhanger. 686 00:50:41.639 --> 00:50:41.940 I love it. 687 00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:44.820 Like I said, I always spent all week speculating about who the hell that was. 688 00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:45.780 I had no idea. 689 00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:51.539 And I think by then I hadn't heard the Emperor Dalek from Evil of the Daleks, whose voice that is. 690 00:50:51.539 --> 00:50:53.820 It's pretty close to it, isn't it? 691 00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:56.099 It's also a century 21 comic again. 692 00:50:56.219 --> 00:50:56.940 Yeah. 693 00:50:56.940 --> 00:50:58.019 And Janet's Mara. 694 00:50:58.079 --> 00:50:59.760 I mean, she was she's a manly far away. 695 00:50:59.880 --> 00:51:00.659 Fangirling. 696 00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:01.139 Yes. 697 00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:03.719 Have you been listening to a lot of Janet or? 698 00:51:03.719 --> 00:51:04.440 I actually do. 699 00:51:04.500 --> 00:51:05.880 It's funny. again, my pick of the week. 700 00:51:05.940 --> 00:51:07.980 I've been listening to all of the big Finnish, Janet. 701 00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:11.699 Fielding, you know, say, I will never come back to Big Finish. 702 00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:13.860 But she hasn't. 703 00:51:13.860 --> 00:51:14.820 She's the best. 704 00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:17.219 They are my favourite big finishes. 705 00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:19.860 Yeah, but that's that's your pick for next week. 706 00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:20.579 Possibly. 707 00:51:20.940 --> 00:51:23.579 Well, that's Al Cliffhager, I guess. 708 00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:26.519 You can all come back next week and find out what Richard's pick of the week is. 709 00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:28.619 Yes, his nose, probably. 710 00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:30.119 Have a biscuit. 711 00:51:58.980 --> 00:52:09.719 Well, dear listener, it looks like we're going to be spending the week trapped on that giant Dalek spaceship, but at least we're all wearing our stylish and affordable pairs of stellar pock paint shoes. 712 00:52:09.780 --> 00:52:13.679 We'll be back next week for the denouement in the parting of the waves. 713 00:52:13.739 --> 00:52:14.460 It was hats. 714 00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:24.900 In the meantime, you can find us at flightthroughentirety.com, flight through entirety on Facebook and Apple Podcasts and at FT podcast on Twitter. 715 00:52:25.019 --> 00:52:32.699 You can also find us at Jody Inter Terror, where we phone each other up in our pyjamas to debrief about each episode of series 11. 716 00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:34.860 That's Jodyinterterra.com. 717 00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:39.360 Jody Interterra on Apple Podcasts and at Jody Interterra on Twitter. 718 00:52:39.420 --> 00:52:48.059 Over on Bondfinger, we've now flown through the entire James Bond film franchise, providing expert commentary on every film. 719 00:52:48.119 --> 00:52:53.699 You can find it all at bondfinger.com, bondfinger on Facebook and Apple Podcasts and at bondfingercast on Twitter. 720 00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:57.719 Until next time, may your viewing figures always continue to go up. 721 00:52:57.780 --> 00:52:59.940 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 722 00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:01.079 See you soon. 723 00:53:01.139 --> 00:53:01.980 Ta-ta. 724 00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:03.360 I should like a hat like that. 725 00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:11.099 That was Flight through Entirety, starring Todd Bealby, Nathan Bottomley, James Selwood and Richard Stone. 726 00:53:11.159 --> 00:53:14.519 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, Strings Performance by Jane Orberg. 727 00:53:14.579 --> 00:53:21.599 This episode, your whole existence is watching television was recorded on the 14th of October 2018 and released on the 11th of November. 728 00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:34.139 Here at FDE Productions, we'd like to apologise for the length of this episode's outro, which was necessitated by the recent expansion of the FDE cinematic universe. 729 00:53:34.199 --> 00:53:38.340 Our next new podcast, The Death of Cyril Shapps, will be released sometime in late 2019. 730 00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:50.460 And I think there's a sort of large hipped woman who goes around hotels with a an ultraviolet light and checks all the bedclothes and stuff and then berates people. 731 00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:52.739 Like that's a sort of genre of TV. 732 00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:58.019 I guess what not to wear is a problem because of the consumerism aspect. 733 00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:01.019 On an aside about blue lights. 734 00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:04.619 When I worked at the ABC many years ago. 735 00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:07.980 There was a book that there was out called Spotless. 736 00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:09.059 Oh, yeah, yeah. 737 00:54:09.059 --> 00:54:09.659 I remember. 738 00:54:09.659 --> 00:54:12.480 Like, Haddie Hips to clean your house. 739 00:54:12.599 --> 00:54:21.360 And the woman, she was a housewife who had all these handy tips and she became a household name because she appeared on the ABC. 740 00:54:21.420 --> 00:54:33.539 But she used to tell people to come into the shops and buy the Sonic screwdrivers so that it could use them to look for stains on things around the house. 741 00:54:33.599 --> 00:54:35.460 Where are you going with this? 742 00:54:35.579 --> 00:54:40.320 So the light from the Sonic screwdriver would actually show up. 743 00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:44.460 Like a must for anyone who has teammates. 744 00:54:44.519 --> 00:54:46.679 Yeah, a cheap person's ultraviolet light kind of thing. 745 00:54:47.159 --> 00:54:50.039 Could they find compact laser deluxe? 746 00:54:50.219 --> 00:54:56.579 Well, you know, people complain that they don't learn anything for this podcast, but there you go. 747 00:54:56.639 --> 00:54:59.579 That's a little helpful tip that you can take into your own person. 748 00:54:59.880 --> 00:55:02.460 So you could actually use the ninth doctor's Sonic to... 749 00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:04.860 I thought it was just 201 uses. 750 00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:07.380 It's got 3 settings.