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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety

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the only Doctor Who podcast, which really does want to know where

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Captain Jack was hiding his compact laser deluxe.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm Todd.

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James.

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And I'm a pair of white bakerlite, falsies, and a barely concealed

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pistol for this one.

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Well, we've arrived back on satellite 5 only to find ourselves

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trapped in the kinds of TV shows that we think it's smart to

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utterly despise.

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Will we beat the odds or will we succumb to the machinations of

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the bad wolf?

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So, I'm gonna lay my cards on the table.

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This is my favourite Doctor Who episode, or at least part one of

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my favourite Doctor Who story of all time.

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That's a big call, Nathan.

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It is a bit of a big call.

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I happy for any of you to fight me about it, if you like.

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I would have said, if I hadn't watched it this weekend, that you

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were wrong, but then I fell in love with it.

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I hadn't watched it for about 10 years.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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And I remembered it as being, oh, you know, fun, sort of exciting

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bit a bit of a mess.

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And it's just, yeah, it was just, I think it's probably one of the

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best season finales of the new series.

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I'd like to throw in because I will be the Todd for a 2nd before

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Todd gets to be Todd.

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I think it's good, but it's only good because of where it sits.

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So if you isolate it and watch it just as its own Doctor Who story

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it's a picture postcard TV week, maybe Daily Mirror version of

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what Doctor Who is thought to be, and it does put that off

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brilliantly, it really is a very successful.

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It's meticulous writing.

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It's how a normal person thinks a Doctor Who show should be

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written.

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So that doesn't necessarily allow it to ever be in my top

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favourite list because as you said, we like to think we're better

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than that.

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It is very well done.

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But I don't think it's not as powerful in isolation.

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It's only because of all the brilliant things, you know, and the

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peaks and troughs of this season.

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It's like the hills and valleys of Wales itself, he said, not

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doing the accent.

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But you know, you've had the lumps of rose and the lumps of rose.

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I missed that one.

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And then the peaks of aliens and World War 3 and so, you know

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you've got those those big moments and then the little, it's like

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a beautiful little symphonette.

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And then you've got little moments where you've got the Dominiento

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of Boomtown, which is a lovely little character piece and exactly

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what you needed to see everybody having a lovely time and then

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Mickey get to say to them.

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You're awful, all of you.

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You know what happens when someone says that.

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So yeah, it is beautifully done.

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I think I've said before that the kind of basic narrative unit of

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the new series is the season, really, rather than the story.

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And so I think that kind of reinforces what you say.

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This story is not really a story by itself so much as a

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culmination of things that have happened over the past, you know

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11 episodes and it draws from all sorts of previous things in the

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season and sort of brings them to a head.

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And it climaxes a lot of narrative threads that have been going

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all the way along.

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And so in context, I think it does work better than perhaps in

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isolation.

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I would agree with that.

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Can I be me for a moment?

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Hi, listeners.

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How are you?

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This is a brand new episode for me.

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Wait what?

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Because, like, you know, obviously I've got no memory of this

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episode, because I sat down to watch it and I went, oh, it's going

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to start in the Big Brother house.

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Well, no, we get a recap of the long game.

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And I went, I don't remember that.

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And then as I was watching, whether it be Big Brother, or the

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weakest thing, or what not to wear, or the people controlling the

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games, I'm going, what is this dialogue?

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What are these camera angles?

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And I'm just there going, I have edited out of my memory so much

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of this episode.

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I actually sat there saying to myself, I must be insane.

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I cannot remember half the dialogue.

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I think I've watched too many YouTube clips of YouTube reactors

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looking at the highlights.

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And so I've got certain lines in my head, but other things, I just

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had no memory of.

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Nathan, you know how like when we watch the classic series, you

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virtually have the whole thing playing out in your head and you

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know all the beats.

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I just had absolutely no idea.

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I checked to get up, go to the Blu-ray case, and I looked at it

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because I swear to God, I thought it was a special edition

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director's cut.

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I just I just could not believe it.

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I love it.

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I'm like you.

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This is my favourite episode of the season.

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Yeah, I think it really is extraordinary.

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And part of it's down to Joe Hearne.

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So Joe Aherne is the director for kind of the last recording block

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because Christopher Eccleston allegedly refused to work with

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anyone else, but he is amazingly good.

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And the way this is directed, and the lighting was one of the

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things that struck me is so strong.

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And there's some really, really, really terrific stylish direction

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in it.

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It's about the direction.

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It's about using characters.

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He gets it.

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And there's also the lovely little everyman play he throws in.

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It's a morality tale.

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This could actually just be done with no set, like a proper

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shaking spear show.

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You don't need all the bangs and whistles.

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And that's why it's done this way, I feel, because it is about K. I

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really didn't like it when it 1st came on because we were all

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hating Big Brother for the amorality of it at the time.

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That was the discussion, is that this is allowing people to be

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base and venal in ways that we just didn't grow up with and we

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would always talk not to support.

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You're really too pleased with yourself.

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We did think that, don't be too pleased with yourself.

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Yeah, it was one of the tenets of childhood of the 70s.

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That's probably why the juxtaposition of that with the morality of

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Doctor Who works.

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And that's why it goes so beautifully, because the most chilling

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moment for me is when you realise they're all on satellite 5 and

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there's just floors and floors of this, Death Games 2000 going

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on.

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And they all seem they all seem quite sort of okay with it.

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That's the point.

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Up until the point of the death point.

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Like, you know, in the Big Brother house.

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They're, oh, yes, it's an eviction and all this sort of stuff from

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all together, but it's not until the moment you have to step into

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the corridor of death.

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The killing booth.

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Then it's suddenly like they're all sort of emotional.

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And they're all enabling it just like Russell's been telling us

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for years. a beautiful morality player.

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And that's why the shonkiness of the sets.

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And you can see, okay, we have to save money for the finale

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because we're certainly not getting it on this set, all of the

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rest of it.

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But it works really well for that as well because he always shows

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the banality is humanity.

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Simplicity is humanity.

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It's the modern, the modern world and its approach to television

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morality take into the extreme.

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Well, I mean, if you think about the game shows, I'm vastly older

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than nearly everyone who's listening to this.

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But the game shows of my youth were sort of rather genteel affairs

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and, you know, blankety blanks, blankety blanks. which was plural

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in Australia, in fact, and was fabulously rude and sort of naughty

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but just terribly funny and silly and things like sale of the

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century and family feud.

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And, um, what was the competitive Richard, what was the um, show

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was it pot of gold or something where you would, Bernard King

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would criticise your singing?

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Berner King's single entendre anal dilation show.

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I think that's pretty much what they all were.

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Don't don't try and search for that on YouTube though.

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If they'd done this story in the 70s, what would the reference

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points have been?

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Well, I mean, the thing is that you can only do it at this

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particular time, because there is anxiety about the kinds of moral

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behaviour that are rewarded in competitive reality shows.

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And so those shows sort of seem dark.

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And the attitude of this episode to those shows is complicated.

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So, um, clearly we're celebrating all of those shows by recreating

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them and using all of their music, using all of the guest stars. we

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get Divina McColl.

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We get, you know, the Android, we get Trinny and Susanna.

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They're all in it, like the actual people.

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We've licensed the music.

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We've got the logo from Demerol or whatever.

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It's all there.

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And so it's an absolute loving homage to it.

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And even the doctor, when he's talking about watching these TV

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shows, he loves bear with me, the one where the bear gets in the

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bath with them. you know, like he loves this stuff as well and

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it's clear that Russell does too.

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But it's a system that is backed by capitalism and we saw that the

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people running satellite 5 in the long game were a consortium of

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bankers and we saw that that was capitalism corrupting the media

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and now we have capitalism corrupting game shows and this is a

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huge system where people are just eaten up for the entertainment

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of other people.

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So it is really conflicted in its attitude.

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It loves these shows, but it kind of recognises that they're sort

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of awful.

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Guilty pleasure.

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For me, it's...

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Because these shows were still fairly new at the time, you know

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Big Brother was only about 5 years old, and even the weakest think

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was cooling at this point.

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But it's very different from now.

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Like almost 12 years later, I think, there's a different

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attitude.

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We were still very new, all these reality shows and a commentary. 2

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it was very fresh.

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Now we were a lot more jaded and oh, it's another one of these and

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this is how the people are going to react.

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And you look at the editing of them now and you can virtually call

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it out, what it's going to be like, you know, before the

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commercial break.

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But I just, it's just tickles my fancy, the whole, like, different

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lines like Davina droid going, we're going to get you.

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And, like, they're all into it.

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Android.

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I just think that is just brilliant.

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The Android is the Android.

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And all of those names.

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Like you mentioned a bare one, but I had to write them down

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because I just crack up, like, call my bluff with real guns.

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Countdown 30 seconds to stop the bulb.

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Ground force, get turned into compost.

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Wipeout speaks for itself.

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Stars in their eyes literally.

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Don't sing, get blinded.

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What?

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What would they have done to Susan Coleman?

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Yeah, no, this is pretty strictly, sadly.

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Let's talk about the game shows.

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And we'll start with Big Brother.

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So we've got Linda with a Y, who I adore, played by Joe Joyner, who

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went on very next year to be in EastEnders for quite some time.

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And I really like Linda with a Y.

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She was the, I actually thought she was like the alternative

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roads.

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I think there's an attempt to make her that.

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And certainly you get that shot when the doctor calls her out into

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the corridor where he's just failed to be kind of evicted from

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life.

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And we get her point of view shot with him holding out his hand.

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Just as in rogue.

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Yeah, and then you get that lovely moment from the end of the

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world where she's standing in the glass appears to be, but this

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time Eccles doesn't save her.

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Oh, there are lots of little mirrors to rows and roses

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introductory 1st 2 episodes in this one.

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We'll talk a little bit more about that next week when Rose and

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Linda meet up.

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Oh, bum.

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I conflate these episodes because to me.

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Well, because to me it is one story.

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I do think, though, it does better than, say, aliens of London in

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making the 2 episodes distinct.

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Aliens of London has that big giant, terrible cliffhanger that we

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all hated and then just sort of resolves the cliffhanger and heads

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off, whereas this one has, you know, we lead up to the discovery

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of the Daleks and there's no sort of sign that there are going to

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be Daleks in it.

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A massive dalek farm.

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Except for the next time trailer and Boom.

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Well, that's right.

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It is interesting how they actually get into the 3 different

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scenarios.

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The fact that the TARDIS is invaded.

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And this seems to be the only time that it actually happens in the

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new series. that I can think of, like, or the old series.

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The Tarantus is usually an impenetrable fortress that people can't

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get into, but for some...

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Cat came along and did it to in the pyramids of Sutek, the

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destroyer.

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Yeah.

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Well, Sutek managed to push his way in.

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Probably-ish.

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He's projected his face.

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Yeah, but I mean, taxi extract them out of the TARNIS, which

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normally it's like force field city and you can't get in.

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But we're post-time war now.

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So the dialects really do understand millennial old TARDIS and how

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to defeat them. think that's pretty good.

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The doctor also says that it's 15000000 times stronger than any

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other transmat.

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That was a new line for me.

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This episode too.

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But I think it just makes it very simple, you know, it gets us

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there.

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What do you think of the other characters in the Big Brother

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house?

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So we've got Crosby and Strewed, and Crosby is the one who is

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evicted from life, and Strewed is the sort of rather pissy little

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gay boy who is very cross at the doctor's arrival.

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And it strikes me that we haven't actually seen that at all in

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Doctor Who before.

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You know, there've been people who've been obviously fabulously

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gay, even in the classic series, but, you know, a young man who

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just sort of seems to be terribly camp and openly gay, that seems

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to be a sort of new one.

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And they're super obsessed with the rules.

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They all clearly watch Big Brother at home.

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You know, they all know about it.

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But wouldn't you be freaking out?

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I'm in the Big Brother house.

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I am going to die unless I win.

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But if that's the norm of your life, if like your whole existence

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is watching television.

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What is it?

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Like, they quote, eat, sleep, watch, TV, go to bed.

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Oh, eat chips.

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Sorry.

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If your whole existence is about watching these television shows

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and that anyone can be in them and the way they end is with your

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death.

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Like, if that's the norm of your life, why would you question it?

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It's been going on for what, 4 generations by this point?

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Like a 100 years?

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Yeah.

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But how can the, the earth just doesn't involve?

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People can't have jobs, nothing will happen because like, you know

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you can't plan anything because you're going to, like, you could

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be extracted at any time.

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I think the level of kind of realism that we should expect from

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this world that's built is sort of fairly low.

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When I 1st saw this, when I was a kid, I was kind of going, how

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come in the year 200,000, they still know about what not to wear

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the weakest link and Big Brother?

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And my assumption was that the villain, the guy who at the end of

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the next time trailer says, they survived through me.

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I thought that was Adam for sure.

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Did you?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Wow.

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Well, that was how we would have known about these game shows.

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But of course, I just assumed it was Janet Fielding.

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Obviously, it turns out the reason that we have these game shows

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in the year, you know, 200,000 is that it's on a TV show being

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screened in 2005.

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And I also think the reason that everyone isn't freaking out in

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the Big Brother house is because we need the big reveal that

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people are going to die.

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And the reveal that these game shows are all evil and murderous

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comes at roughly the same time in the episode for each one.

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It definitely does.

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And it does it exactly the same way of Scandwegian crime, detective

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fiction, which wasn't a big genre on TV or in film in the way that

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it is now. you know, the girl with the dragon boat bottom, that

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you know, those shows.

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I think Eccles is actually in one of them, isn't he?

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But all of that stuff existed as Scandalwegian detective fiction

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and was really big, but it did also exist on TV at this time.

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It had just been starting.

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So folk within TV in the same way that, say, an extraordinary show

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like Pose at the moment, which is groundbreaking in the way the

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wire was five, 6 years ago, everyone within the medium is talking

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about it, but our lot are only talking about it this year.

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So Russell was already watching these things and seeing the next

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stage of dramatic television is game shows where you actually are

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deaded.

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Like an episode of The Goodies from 1972.

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They did this as well.

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Again, because it's our podcast, we have to talk about the

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ostensible threat.

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And in this case, it is TV itself and how it maligns our humanity

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and diminishes us and makes us into a delicious sego pudding type

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of fair.

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Yes.

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So, the Big Brother house has Strewdon Crosby's.

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Strudel Crosby's?

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Yes, yes.

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Denise Strudel Crosby.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But Crosby is very quickly evicted from life, isn't she?

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And that's actually quite upsetting I think.

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Well, I've noticed there's a lot of people of colour that get

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murdered in these episodes. you noticed that?

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People complain that Doctor Who doesn't show a lot of on-screen

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death, but it does hear.

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Oh, does.

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It always has.

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I think there is a problem with the people of colour.

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Look, we're recording this the week after the series 11 opening

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and everyone's obviously hugely upset. exactly where I was going

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with that.

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So we could have had a black middle-aged female companion.

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I'm right.

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And she dies.

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But I think there is a problem that if a show is going to have

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diverse casting is going to have diverse deaths.

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And I think people have gone through and done the maths on this.

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But it is, you know, it is a concern.

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It's something that people are aware of, I think.

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Shall we talk about the weakest link?

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Yes, let's talk about the weakest link.

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So, Todd, which vowel appears in the word dangle, but not in the

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word glad. don't know.

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Was it you?

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Oh, Joe. This is absolutely for me the most successful of the game

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shows.

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And the reason it's successful is that I think Billy Piper is

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absolutely phenomenal.

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She nails it beautifully.

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So is Patterson Joseph.

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Oh, he's appalling.

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One of the worst actors ever perpetrated in the history of Doctor

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Who.

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At the time, there was all these rumours that he could possibly be

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the next doctor. should never be...

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We should never, ever be cast in a television show ever again.

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I think he's really massively unlikeable and I think that that is

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a deliberate thing.

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I think he's perfect.

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He really is all those things Todd's saying.

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He's he is.

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He's vile.

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And he's not perfect with it.

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And even he even does that awful shtick when he's about to be

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moidered later on spoiler alert.

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And he does that with.

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Oh, everything's over the top.

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He's perfect.

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Really liked it.

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I think he's a good foil for her.

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And I think that she absolutely sells this.

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And her trajectory is our trajectory.

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Initially, we think it's really funny that Rose has found herself

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on the weakest link and she thinks it's really funny as well.

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And then as that 1st round plays out, everyone is getting more and

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more terrified.

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And there's Fitch who loses the round and who is crying.

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And you get rose just like us going, actually, like, what's the

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problem?

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It's just a game show.

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Why are you crying?

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And then, obviously, she's killed.

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However, I think it probably dawns on us before it dawns on dawns

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on roads, which is very clever writing.

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Billy Piper is sensational.

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I think their character played by Patterson Joseph is really well

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written and is absolutely perfect and he is unlikeable.

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I just, you know some actors you just dislike.

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I just dislike him.

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That's all I can say.

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I've done a lot of the roles he plays, though.

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I think that's he's got that air about him.

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That's probably why they cast it.

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Probably.

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But it is brilliant in the way the terror and the panic of these

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people is coming through.

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And it's much more immediate because you only have a round and

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you're dead.

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In Brick Brother, you have a week in the house or 3 weeks.

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Like it's only in that last moment.

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So yes.

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I think when Linda with a Y and Jack and the doctor go to rescue

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Rose.

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Linda gives us the impression that the weakest link is the most

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terrifying of the game shows and partly it's because of the

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Android, but I think probably it is just the rate at which people

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get killed as well.

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I really love the questions.

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I think the questions are just so fantastically brilliant.

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And that final round.

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The way it works is that there's that brilliant, brilliant

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question and it's part of the world building, which we'll talk

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about a little bit later, but which Icelandic city hosted murder

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spree 20.

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And obviously most of us at home can only name Reykjavik.

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And this is the question that if she loses, it's clear from the

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chiron on the screen that if she loses, she loses the round.

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And she says, Reykjavik, and you think, well, yes, no, she's been

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able to think of Reykjavik.

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She'll be fine.

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And of course, it isn't that at all.

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But all that other world building stuff, like she knows who the

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oldest inhabitant of the Iceball galaxy is.

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That's really good, you know, harking back to the face of Bo.

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And then there's a question in there about torchwood, shadowing

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events that is to come.

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But no, the questions are delicious.

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Yeah, it's that Russell thing of, you know, making the future sort

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of silly and funny.

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But it's super dark.

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Like all of the questions build up this picture of a world that is

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really kind of horrible, I think.

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This story is also quite rich in references to the show's past.

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But like, you know, like it's not just the references to the web

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planet.

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It's also the references to lunar penal colony from frontier in

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space.

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The fact that the controller betrays the Daleks and is then

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killed.

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Day of the Daleks.

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Also, the idea that you wire a girl into your computers, if you're

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the Daleks, you wire someone up from a very young age, she was

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fired.

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She is Jasmine Brake?

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She is Jasmine.

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Wow, there's a lot of little subtle references here.

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Very clever, Russell.

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What not to wear?

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What not to wear.

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With Trini and Susanna.

505
00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:53.700
This is my favourite bit.

506
00:23:53.759 --> 00:23:55.079
I like this.

507
00:23:55.140 --> 00:23:57.000
I just really thought the robots were gorgeous.

508
00:23:57.059 --> 00:23:59.579
Those robots are great.

509
00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:03.359
And having them do the voices and even reference their own advice

510
00:24:03.420 --> 00:24:05.099
never wear black with colour.

511
00:24:05.160 --> 00:24:07.740
My mother has been saying that for years, news.

512
00:24:09.359 --> 00:24:14.160
And you referenced earlier, I think, Richard, to the fact that...

513
00:24:14.220 --> 00:24:18.480
Well, Jack, Jack strokes, the breasts.

514
00:24:18.539 --> 00:24:19.079
Yes, he does.

515
00:24:19.140 --> 00:24:20.099
Yes, he really does.

516
00:24:20.220 --> 00:24:24.420
It was another moment that I had that I could not remember, which

517
00:24:24.420 --> 00:24:25.140
was mute for me.

518
00:24:25.500 --> 00:24:29.220
I was looking at it and going, surely that would be cut.

519
00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:32.160
And robo breasts.

520
00:24:32.220 --> 00:24:33.900
There's probably no rule.

521
00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:38.880
Yeah, like, unlike, unlike Jack's butt, which was the only cut the

522
00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:43.799
BBC asked for in series one was, like, originally, originally that

523
00:24:43.799 --> 00:24:44.339
shot.

524
00:24:44.339 --> 00:24:45.480
I thought his bum was in it.

525
00:24:45.539 --> 00:24:50.519
Well, no, but in the original film, in the original filming, they

526
00:24:50.519 --> 00:24:52.140
had shot at full length.

527
00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:53.039
You could see his bottom.

528
00:24:53.099 --> 00:24:58.019
And they edited it so that it cuts at just the right moment that

529
00:24:58.019 --> 00:24:58.500
you don't.

530
00:24:58.559 --> 00:25:02.160
James, in my extended cut that I watched. think I saw it.

531
00:25:03.779 --> 00:25:06.720
That was in your imagination.

532
00:25:06.779 --> 00:25:07.619
I swear it was there.

533
00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:09.599
I watched it last night.

534
00:25:09.660 --> 00:25:10.200
It wasn't.

535
00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:13.500
Now with added butt shot.

536
00:25:13.559 --> 00:25:16.559
The fabricator.

537
00:25:16.619 --> 00:25:19.019
What a wonderful device that was.

538
00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:21.059
It's so funny.

539
00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:22.200
We're laughing about it now.

540
00:25:22.259 --> 00:25:27.000
It's just such a great play on defibrillator, but in the context.

541
00:25:27.059 --> 00:25:32.759
It's just so appropriate for them and Jack and I'm just smiling

542
00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:33.420
now, listeners.

543
00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:35.460
Yeah, it's really sort of terribly great.

544
00:25:35.460 --> 00:25:38.160
And it plays to Barrowman's strengths.

545
00:25:38.220 --> 00:25:40.140
You know, he's so ludicrously confident.

546
00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:43.380
There used to be this sort of story that he would get naked in

547
00:25:43.380 --> 00:25:46.500
radio interviews, like in the studio or he would at least sort of

548
00:25:46.500 --> 00:25:51.240
talk about stripping off in sort of BBC radio for interviews and

549
00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:51.779
stuff like that.

550
00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:54.660
He's just sort of super confident and the fact that he's

551
00:25:54.660 --> 00:25:59.400
completely unfazed about just sort of having his clothes dissolved

552
00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:01.079
on global television.

553
00:26:01.140 --> 00:26:04.019
Your reachings just went up.

554
00:26:04.079 --> 00:26:07.500
Because you could imagine that other people may not be.

555
00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:08.579
They would be freaking out.

556
00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:11.880
And I think the great thing is that you know these other 2 game

557
00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:13.500
shows really well.

558
00:26:13.559 --> 00:26:18.299
People may not know not what to wear as much because it's, you

559
00:26:18.299 --> 00:26:20.640
know, they're helping people with style and you kind of think, well

560
00:26:20.640 --> 00:26:22.140
well, where's this going to go?

561
00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:24.900
And then of course, it's all about chopping off the head and

562
00:26:24.900 --> 00:26:28.079
stitching on whatever we've got, you know, to make you look even

563
00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:28.740
more fabulous.

564
00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:33.660
I think they're super menacing. fabulously fabulously menacing.

565
00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:37.200
And I think it's just before a cut to a scene where, you know, one

566
00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:40.140
of them pulls off their hands and reveals the big chainsaw and

567
00:26:40.140 --> 00:26:40.440
stuff.

568
00:26:40.500 --> 00:26:46.380
I just think all of that is so tremendously funny because it's the

569
00:26:46.380 --> 00:26:47.099
odd man out.

570
00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:50.099
It's not really a competitive reality show, is it?

571
00:26:50.160 --> 00:26:53.579
It's sort of more of a makeover show and they tend to be actually

572
00:26:53.579 --> 00:26:59.220
look, they're all about consumption and they're superficial, but

573
00:26:59.220 --> 00:27:02.519
it's not quite the cutthroat thing that the weakest link is, for

574
00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:02.819
example.

575
00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:06.779
Well, it's, I mean, we now call that lifestyle, don't we?

576
00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:09.779
Like, it's not specifically about the reality.

577
00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:10.980
It's about the style.

578
00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:13.799
I mean, it's actually, in a way, is not negative.

579
00:27:13.859 --> 00:27:17.460
Yeah, I mean, I'm a big fan of those shows where someone comes in

580
00:27:17.460 --> 00:27:20.099
and sort of helps someone improve their lives.

581
00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:24.119
And, you know, Gordon Ramsay, who is a person about whom it's

582
00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:25.680
possible to have opinions.

583
00:27:25.740 --> 00:27:29.759
You know, it swears at people and sort of screams and is generally

584
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:33.240
obnoxious and then goes into a restaurant and changes it to look

585
00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:37.140
identical to the restaurant from the previous program, you know

586
00:27:37.140 --> 00:27:40.380
but there is something sort of fun about an expert coming in to

587
00:27:40.380 --> 00:27:40.920
sort of help out.

588
00:27:40.980 --> 00:27:45.359
I like the fact that they turn this lifestyle show on its head

589
00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:49.980
with the face off at the end, which is just a brilliant name.

590
00:27:49.980 --> 00:27:55.380
But of course, Jack then has the great comedy moment of

591
00:27:55.380 --> 00:27:56.160
revealing.

592
00:27:56.279 --> 00:28:00.839
Where were you hiding that with the compact laser deluxe, which, of

593
00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:02.819
course, you don't want to think too much about.

594
00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:06.359
Like, it's one of those silly...

595
00:28:06.420 --> 00:28:09.000
It's one of those silly moments from Russell Witches.

596
00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:10.799
Great how small it was. that small.

597
00:28:10.859 --> 00:28:11.579
No?

598
00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:12.900
Oh no, it's absolutely not.

599
00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:16.079
It wasn't quite a pinecone off the Christmas tree, but it wasn't

600
00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:17.819
that wee.

601
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:19.380
I'm sure he prepped.

602
00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:28.559
One of the delicious things about these game shows is they're all

603
00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:31.559
running parallel, which everything's getting revealed at once, and

604
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:36.660
what's going on is dawning on both Rose and the doctor at the same

605
00:28:36.660 --> 00:28:41.579
time that things aren't as they are, and we're all heading to try

606
00:28:41.579 --> 00:28:46.740
and escape. and the doctor does escape with Linda to try and find

607
00:28:46.740 --> 00:28:50.700
the others and we then get some really nice moments between him

608
00:28:50.700 --> 00:28:55.920
and Linda discussing what's going on on satellite 5 when it dawns

609
00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:57.900
on him and that's where he is and he thinks he's put everything to

610
00:28:57.900 --> 00:28:58.319
right.

611
00:28:58.380 --> 00:29:02.700
But of course, he hasn't, and it's coming back to that thing about

612
00:29:02.700 --> 00:29:06.420
consequences and the contrast with the original series where the

613
00:29:06.420 --> 00:29:07.859
doctor would just leave and that's it.

614
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:13.019
But here, leaving 5 episodes ago, um, actually has had big

615
00:29:13.019 --> 00:29:15.960
ramifications by just...

616
00:29:16.019 --> 00:29:18.359
And he says I created this world.

617
00:29:18.420 --> 00:29:19.619
This is the world that I created.

618
00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:21.420
He was Zoanna all the time.

619
00:29:22.019 --> 00:29:24.720
But I mean, this is the world we live in now.

620
00:29:24.779 --> 00:29:27.599
Half of us are too fat, half of us are too thin and we're all kind

621
00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:29.880
of anaesthetized by watching television.

622
00:29:29.940 --> 00:29:32.940
This is just what's happening now.

623
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:37.140
In series three, we'll see the Daleks being used very explicitly

624
00:29:37.140 --> 00:29:39.779
as a metaphor for capitalism.

625
00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:42.839
But I think that here they are as well.

626
00:29:42.900 --> 00:29:46.140
And they're going to get even more interesting because we haven't

627
00:29:46.140 --> 00:29:48.119
actually seen them this episode yet.

628
00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:53.460
No, at this point, you don't quite know who's in control, but then

629
00:29:53.460 --> 00:29:57.539
Linda turns on the lights in the level that they're on and we get

630
00:29:57.539 --> 00:29:58.440
to see Bad Wolf.

631
00:29:58.500 --> 00:30:01.859
And again, we get another flashback sequence to all the...

632
00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:03.059
All the uses of bad wolf.

633
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:03.900
Bad Wolf.

634
00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:07.319
And so Russell is very good at directing your thoughts in one

635
00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:09.059
direction about this corporation.

636
00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:13.079
You don't know that it's, I'm not going to talk about next week's

637
00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:16.440
episode, but ultimately, by the end of this episode, you believe

638
00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:20.700
that it is the Daleks that are...

639
00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:21.960
Thank you for that.

640
00:30:22.019 --> 00:30:26.039
But the Bad Wolf Corporation has been running satellite 5 for

641
00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:29.279
years, and we learn later that the Daleks have been as well.

642
00:30:29.339 --> 00:30:35.220
Just check out our episode on the long game because Bad Wolf is

643
00:30:35.220 --> 00:30:39.900
clearly Fox, and the long game is about the effect of the Fox

644
00:30:39.900 --> 00:30:40.380
network.

645
00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:43.440
And that did not occur to me until I listened to that episode.

646
00:30:43.500 --> 00:30:44.819
I watched Murphy Brown.

647
00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:49.500
Like, I kind of, oh, gosh, how stupid am I?

648
00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:50.400
No, no.

649
00:30:50.460 --> 00:30:54.420
I mean, we know that Bad Wolf is a thing, but it actually occurs

650
00:30:54.420 --> 00:30:55.380
natively here.

651
00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:58.259
All of the other times we'll discover that Billy scattered it

652
00:30:58.259 --> 00:31:01.740
through time and space, but this is the place where the words bad

653
00:31:01.740 --> 00:31:03.420
wolf originate from.

654
00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:07.380
So the Bad Wolf Corporation, the people who run the games.

655
00:31:07.380 --> 00:31:08.880
Or are they?

656
00:31:08.940 --> 00:31:12.960
The point of this is, again, it's working because it's not what

657
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:14.460
we're just seeing on screen.

658
00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:18.180
It's what we're taking from a lot of other shoes.

659
00:31:19.019 --> 00:31:22.980
Russell's a really clever man and so is Julian, so is Phil

660
00:31:22.980 --> 00:31:25.920
Collinson, and they're looking at what are antecedents to this?

661
00:31:25.980 --> 00:31:27.059
He loves fairy stories.

662
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:30.299
All these references you're talking about with Red Riding Hood or

663
00:31:30.299 --> 00:31:34.380
Rose Riding Hood, leaving scattering breadcrumbs in her trail.

664
00:31:34.500 --> 00:31:35.940
Again, is a grim fairy story.

665
00:31:36.059 --> 00:31:39.480
Now Russell is mates with Marina Warner, who's one of the best

666
00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:40.380
writers.

667
00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:44.819
She's actually the modern take on Joseph Campbell and we've

668
00:31:44.819 --> 00:31:46.859
referenced Joseph Campbell before because of course he wrote the

669
00:31:46.859 --> 00:31:49.200
1st Star Wars script for George Lucas.

670
00:31:49.259 --> 00:31:49.559
He did.

671
00:31:49.619 --> 00:31:52.619
But he was the 1st professor of mythology, international

672
00:31:52.619 --> 00:31:53.339
mythology.

673
00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:56.099
I mean, that's just every guy you meet who sells comics now, but

674
00:31:56.099 --> 00:31:58.259
back then, it was a very rare thing.

675
00:31:58.319 --> 00:32:00.900
Marina Warner has a chair at Cambridge where she does the same

676
00:32:00.900 --> 00:32:04.859
thing and she writes constantly and wonderfully and has done since

677
00:32:04.859 --> 00:32:05.940
I left high school.

678
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:08.640
Monuments and maidens is her 1st book, the allegory of the female

679
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:12.599
form, and she talks about Mae West, the statue of liberty, and

680
00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:14.160
there's another American icon.

681
00:32:14.220 --> 00:32:14.640
She does.

682
00:32:14.700 --> 00:32:17.700
She's fabulous and funny and camp and clever, but she also

683
00:32:17.700 --> 00:32:20.759
completely dissected the grim fairy stories.

684
00:32:20.819 --> 00:32:23.819
And a lot of these references that Russell's throwing in here are

685
00:32:23.819 --> 00:32:28.859
very much Marina Warner's archetypes and writing about how modern

686
00:32:28.859 --> 00:32:32.039
culture is so imbued with exactly the same stories.

687
00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:35.339
Culture doesn't change is what Campbell and Marina Warner is

688
00:32:35.339 --> 00:32:38.579
saying, that we just go round and round in circles, repeating, not

689
00:32:38.579 --> 00:32:42.599
necessarily in a bad way, but repeating our errors and our foibles

690
00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:46.380
and our little ways. sometimes we part our little ways, but we're

691
00:32:46.380 --> 00:32:46.859
not up there yet.

692
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:52.980
But yeah, the point is that these lovely circles of narrative and

693
00:32:52.980 --> 00:32:56.339
gormlessness, if you like, that the follies that we trip over

694
00:32:56.339 --> 00:32:59.339
ourselves, but sometimes they can be the same things that save

695
00:32:59.339 --> 00:32:59.819
us.

696
00:32:59.819 --> 00:33:02.880
The silliness and the childishness can be the things that rescue

697
00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:03.119
us.

698
00:33:03.180 --> 00:33:06.480
I won't crap on about it too much, but I think I've already

699
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:08.099
presaged my pick of the week there.

700
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:13.859
I think, too, that when Gwyneth 1st mentioned Bad Wolf. yeah

701
00:33:13.859 --> 00:33:14.460
that's right.

702
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:17.640
When Gwyneth from The Unquiet Dead 1st mentions Bad Wolf.

703
00:33:17.700 --> 00:33:21.539
She says The Big Bad Wolf in the Darkness, and it sounds like just

704
00:33:21.539 --> 00:33:23.640
a reference to a groom's fairy tale.

705
00:33:23.700 --> 00:33:26.400
It does, that makes that egg out of Boomtown. very rude.

706
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:39.539
Did you know, the woman who plays the female programmer?

707
00:33:39.660 --> 00:33:41.099
was a Red Kang.

708
00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:42.960
Reno.

709
00:33:43.019 --> 00:33:45.960
I knew you were going to do James's hottie list.

710
00:33:46.019 --> 00:33:47.700
Which one was she?

711
00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:50.039
She was one of the non-speaking.

712
00:33:50.099 --> 00:33:51.299
I want you to tell me she was married to?

713
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:52.740
She was married to Turlow.

714
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:54.660
No, too good.

715
00:33:55.140 --> 00:33:55.500
James.

716
00:33:55.559 --> 00:33:58.500
I've just taken off a point.

717
00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:02.160
Yeah, so initially they are, the love interest.

718
00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:03.960
Female programmer.

719
00:34:04.019 --> 00:34:05.160
She was one of the kennels.

720
00:34:05.220 --> 00:34:05.940
Oh that's lovely.

721
00:34:06.059 --> 00:34:09.780
Also, the controller, her father was in Doctor Who.

722
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:10.860
What?

723
00:34:10.860 --> 00:34:14.400
Yeah, so was he the Fury from Martha Cope?

724
00:34:14.460 --> 00:34:16.320
Is that where she got all the daughter of Kenneth Cope?

725
00:34:16.380 --> 00:34:17.280
Kenneth Cope.

726
00:34:17.340 --> 00:34:19.800
He was Packard in Warrior's Gate.

727
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:23.639
And he's actually a popper act in Randall and Hopkirk.

728
00:34:23.699 --> 00:34:26.760
I didn't realise he was no, he's an actual proper actor.

729
00:34:26.820 --> 00:34:28.199
Yes, she's his daughter.

730
00:34:28.260 --> 00:34:29.340
Oh, that's lovely.

731
00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:31.139
You know, I'm a Doctor Who fan.

732
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:33.659
I'm like, what have I seen this person here?

733
00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:34.679
That's my husband mad.

734
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:38.820
You know, I have to say this, and I think listeners may be wanting

735
00:34:38.820 --> 00:34:42.900
a rant off me, but I find it really hard to rant about a lot of

736
00:34:42.900 --> 00:34:48.119
episodes because they're generally of a good standard and there's

737
00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:49.800
only little things that sort of annoy me.

738
00:34:49.860 --> 00:34:51.480
But I'm going to move on from all of that.

739
00:34:51.539 --> 00:34:55.440
I'm going to say, we're almost up to the point where the doctor

740
00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:58.559
and the team are going to rescue Rose, but there is a conversation

741
00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:02.880
that the doctor does have with Linda, where she asks who he is, and

742
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:04.980
then she actually says, I could come with you.

743
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:09.960
And I remember watching that at the time thinking, oh, oh, that's

744
00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:10.199
not good.

745
00:35:10.260 --> 00:35:14.699
At the moment, I just feel that moment people say I could come

746
00:35:14.699 --> 00:35:17.760
with you and voice themselves on the doctor, I always get red

747
00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:20.820
flags as too well that could not possibly end well.

748
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:25.260
So I might be misremembering, but it's just something that came

749
00:35:25.260 --> 00:35:28.320
into my mind when I watched and I kind of thought, oh, you might

750
00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:28.800
be doomed.

751
00:35:28.860 --> 00:35:33.059
I also think, too, that we didn't know what sort of show this was

752
00:35:33.059 --> 00:35:35.460
or what its rules were even now.

753
00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:39.360
And it's just possible that she comes along because something is

754
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:44.519
going to happen to Rose's next episode, that we may be introducing

755
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:48.780
Joe Joyner's character in order for her to replace Billy Piper.

756
00:35:48.840 --> 00:35:49.980
It's very much what it feels like.

757
00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:53.940
Yeah, but who knows that that wasn't planted in the scripts early

758
00:35:53.940 --> 00:35:56.820
on just to be...

759
00:35:56.880 --> 00:35:58.260
I think we'll talk about that next week.

760
00:35:58.320 --> 00:35:58.800
Yeah.

761
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:00.900
And her character's name is Linda Moss.

762
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:02.699
Reminds me of something else.

763
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:04.139
Press gang.

764
00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:05.340
Who the woman in this game?

765
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:06.659
So she's Linda Day.

766
00:36:06.780 --> 00:36:08.760
And she is Linda with a Y.

767
00:36:08.820 --> 00:36:13.739
And I also think that Linda with a Y is a great way of getting you

768
00:36:13.739 --> 00:36:14.579
to remember her name.

769
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:18.300
We even get a little bit of deft exposition about Linda with an

770
00:36:18.300 --> 00:36:21.420
eye damaging one of the cameras when she's introducing herself, and

771
00:36:21.420 --> 00:36:24.300
that bit of exposition becomes, you know, crucial to the doctor's

772
00:36:24.300 --> 00:36:25.019
escape.

773
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:28.019
So I think it's just a little bit of clever writing, but it's such

774
00:36:28.019 --> 00:36:29.039
a charming performance.

775
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:32.940
She's so vulnerable and she's dead sweet, just like the doctor

776
00:36:32.940 --> 00:36:33.300
says.

777
00:36:33.360 --> 00:36:37.260
That's a beautiful little scene where she's terrified that she

778
00:36:37.260 --> 00:36:41.579
might be evicted because no one even knows who she is and the

779
00:36:41.579 --> 00:36:43.739
doctor says that she's dead sweet.

780
00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:45.420
That's foreshadowing.

781
00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:48.539
I know, but it also sort of struck me as a kind of slang that the

782
00:36:48.539 --> 00:36:49.980
doctor would never have used before either.

783
00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:51.900
Yeah, which is beautiful.

784
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:53.400
Like it's such a nice scene.

785
00:36:53.460 --> 00:36:55.500
He lies to make her feel better.

786
00:36:56.280 --> 00:37:01.980
So then they go into rescue Rose at the crescendo of the weakest

787
00:37:01.980 --> 00:37:02.340
link.

788
00:37:02.340 --> 00:37:06.360
And I just want to say, you know, shout out.

789
00:37:06.420 --> 00:37:08.639
One of the answers is Hazel Dean.

790
00:37:08.699 --> 00:37:09.599
Yes.

791
00:37:09.659 --> 00:37:13.920
And I almost fell over because I, again, this was new to me

792
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:15.179
listeners, watching this episode.

793
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:18.059
I think he actually says San Hazeldean.

794
00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:21.000
Like, like, he, he, like, it's a space name.

795
00:37:21.059 --> 00:37:25.800
Yeah, like, well, like, something, it was a line about, like, a

796
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:27.900
fault line or an earthquake or something like that.

797
00:37:27.900 --> 00:37:28.800
I can't remember exactly.

798
00:37:28.860 --> 00:37:30.539
Where did this happen?

799
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:31.739
San Hazeldean?

800
00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:37.320
And if you don't know Hazel Dean is a 1980s pop star in the UK who

801
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:38.639
had about 3 big hits.

802
00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:42.119
It does turn out to that Jackie Collins is still a well-known

803
00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:43.860
author in 200,000 times.

804
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:47.219
So anyway, Rose loses.

805
00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:50.400
And then she gets blasted into dust.

806
00:37:50.460 --> 00:37:54.000
Just as the doctor's rescuing her and she's running towards him

807
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:55.079
and off she goes.

808
00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:58.260
That's another reference to the twin dilemma.

809
00:37:58.380 --> 00:37:59.880
Zanium.

810
00:37:59.940 --> 00:38:00.840
What?

811
00:38:00.900 --> 00:38:02.159
The dust on the ground.

812
00:38:02.219 --> 00:38:02.940
Yes.

813
00:38:02.940 --> 00:38:06.179
Is, is, is... of transmat being.

814
00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:08.940
If they don't say that in this episode, do they?

815
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:12.420
No, but someone picks it up and it's silvery dust on the floor.

816
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:15.179
I would never have believe.

817
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:18.179
I'd be sitting here thinking that this episode links to the twin

818
00:38:18.179 --> 00:38:18.780
dilemma.

819
00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:20.880
But all 3 of the rest of us thought of it.

820
00:38:20.940 --> 00:38:21.599
Yeah, we did.

821
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:22.500
So you're watching.

822
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:23.579
Yeah, constantly.

823
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:25.019
Thanks for that, mate.

824
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:27.719
Despite the fact of the real Colin Baker.

825
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:32.280
We know who the weakest link is. people.

826
00:38:32.340 --> 00:38:33.719
Goodbye.

827
00:38:35.219 --> 00:38:36.900
What a moment.

828
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:38.039
Like, and the music.

829
00:38:38.099 --> 00:38:42.480
The music at that point, just the way, oh, and his reaction.

830
00:38:42.539 --> 00:38:45.059
I remember thinking at the time, this can't be happening.

831
00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:46.079
This can't be real.

832
00:38:46.139 --> 00:38:47.579
They have to get out of it.

833
00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:48.960
How?

834
00:38:49.019 --> 00:38:50.219
How could they possibly do it?

835
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:51.179
Exactly.

836
00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:54.960
I also think too that that moves into some of the most smartly

837
00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:59.039
directed Doctor Who that we've had this episode because it's all

838
00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:02.880
been sort of cardboard sets because we've been doing sort of cheap

839
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:04.500
game show knockoffs.

840
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:10.860
But suddenly the camera becomes all sort of German impressionism

841
00:39:10.860 --> 00:39:14.340
where we're seeing it from the doctor's point of view, there's

842
00:39:14.340 --> 00:39:17.159
action going on in the background, but it's out of focus and the

843
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:18.420
sound is muted.

844
00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:19.500
We bring up the music.

845
00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:23.400
We're just on the doctor's face and all we're invited to think

846
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:27.000
about is how devastated the doctor is by this.

847
00:39:27.059 --> 00:39:30.719
And we see, you know, they go into that sort of grungy

848
00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:36.719
industrialist kind of cell and it just looks like the doctor's

849
00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:38.099
been completely broken.

850
00:39:40.019 --> 00:39:43.500
The next sequence is a really interesting, like, in the

851
00:39:43.500 --> 00:39:46.980
interrogation cell or the prison cell that they're put into and

852
00:39:46.980 --> 00:39:49.559
just sitting there and these guys are shouting at them.

853
00:39:49.619 --> 00:39:52.320
Spoiler alert to no one.

854
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:53.880
I had no memory of this.

855
00:39:53.940 --> 00:39:57.059
Like when I watched it, I literally sat there going, I remember

856
00:39:57.059 --> 00:39:59.340
them getting out of the cell, but none of this shouting at the

857
00:39:59.340 --> 00:40:02.219
doctor and telling them that they're going to go to the lunar

858
00:40:02.219 --> 00:40:03.900
colonies or whatever it is.

859
00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:06.059
It's really quite disturbing.

860
00:40:06.179 --> 00:40:09.239
It's shot very differently from the way Doctor Who normally is too

861
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:12.059
because it's like a lot of short scenes all happening in the same

862
00:40:12.059 --> 00:40:16.019
place, where each shot is a sort of different time period.

863
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:18.659
They're clearly in there for a long time being sort of

864
00:40:18.659 --> 00:40:19.500
interrogated.

865
00:40:19.500 --> 00:40:22.440
And you get absolutely no response from the doctor at any point.

866
00:40:22.500 --> 00:40:23.880
He's done.

867
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:26.280
But then on a dime.

868
00:40:26.340 --> 00:40:27.599
It's sort of like let's do this thing.

869
00:40:27.659 --> 00:40:29.159
Yeah, boom.

870
00:40:29.219 --> 00:40:30.300
Yeah.

871
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:31.079
And they escape.

872
00:40:31.139 --> 00:40:34.019
But I think that, you know, that's that scene is beautifully lit.

873
00:40:34.019 --> 00:40:35.519
The sets look incredible.

874
00:40:35.579 --> 00:40:37.380
It's really something.

875
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:40.860
And the doctor and Jack are quite violent in kind of overcoming

876
00:40:40.860 --> 00:40:43.619
the guards, they're sort of kicks and stuff like that.

877
00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:44.880
It's a pretty good scene.

878
00:40:44.940 --> 00:40:45.900
It is.

879
00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:50.820
And they make their way up to control, which we've seen a few

880
00:40:50.820 --> 00:40:51.239
times already.

881
00:40:51.300 --> 00:40:54.840
We haven't really talked about the nail and female programmer, have

882
00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:55.079
we?

883
00:40:55.139 --> 00:40:56.820
So is it Davish Papel?

884
00:40:56.880 --> 00:41:00.179
Well, they're actually just credited as male and female

885
00:41:00.179 --> 00:41:04.320
programmers and the male ones only given a name so that he can

886
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:07.019
properly flirt with Captain Jack next episode.

887
00:41:07.500 --> 00:41:11.280
I think they're good performances from both of them.

888
00:41:24.780 --> 00:41:29.639
You get the feeling that she's the controller, but she's not in

889
00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:30.059
control.

890
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:32.280
There's somebody behind her.

891
00:41:32.340 --> 00:41:34.019
Very much so, yes.

892
00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:35.460
And is it the banks?

893
00:41:36.059 --> 00:41:36.300
is it?

894
00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:41.519
As classic series Doctor Who fans, did we think it was the

895
00:41:41.519 --> 00:41:42.239
Daleks?

896
00:41:42.300 --> 00:41:46.079
I don't know that we didn't particularly, no.

897
00:41:46.139 --> 00:41:48.420
I mean, it's almost impossible to remember from this sort of

898
00:41:48.420 --> 00:41:49.199
distance, I think.

899
00:41:49.260 --> 00:41:55.619
I think it's impossible to tell what you would have thought if it

900
00:41:55.619 --> 00:41:56.880
hadn't been spoiled for you.

901
00:41:56.940 --> 00:42:02.099
I mean, I cannot separate the fact that I knew the Daleks were

902
00:42:02.099 --> 00:42:05.159
coming that back this week because of the next time trailer at the

903
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:06.179
end of the previous episode.

904
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:11.639
So you know, outside of the story itself, you know, you know the

905
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:14.820
Daleks are behind it somehow, or they're behind something in the

906
00:42:14.820 --> 00:42:15.119
episode.

907
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:21.179
If you didn't have any of those next time trailers at all, if

908
00:42:21.179 --> 00:42:25.320
there was no sort of lead in between episodes, it would be a much

909
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:26.099
bigger surprise.

910
00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:30.300
Originally, the next time trailers were just there because the

911
00:42:30.300 --> 00:42:31.860
episodes were underrunning, I think.

912
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:35.760
But Russell's previous shows had Next Time trailers, so Queer as

913
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:38.699
Folk, for instance, and the Second Coming both have Next Time

914
00:42:38.699 --> 00:42:39.300
trailers.

915
00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:41.699
And I actually think that it manages to create a little

916
00:42:41.699 --> 00:42:46.199
cliffhanger in a way that, you know, we don't normally have

917
00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:48.360
because we don't have that many two-part story.

918
00:42:48.420 --> 00:42:51.599
So it is a way of getting us to come back next week, which is what

919
00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:52.739
the cliffhanger is.

920
00:42:52.860 --> 00:42:56.400
And I also think, too, that anything kind of that's revealed

921
00:42:56.400 --> 00:43:00.599
outside the show, and we're sort of acutely aware of this very

922
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:03.780
very spoiler-free kind of atmosphere that we've got now with

923
00:43:03.780 --> 00:43:04.500
series 11.

924
00:43:04.739 --> 00:43:07.619
Everything that is released, I think, is deliberately released.

925
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:10.860
And so I think the effect of knowing that the Daleks are back this

926
00:43:10.860 --> 00:43:15.420
week is that as we're watching it, we sit down waiting for the

927
00:43:15.420 --> 00:43:16.559
Daleks to come.

928
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:20.820
And, you know, 30 minutes in, 35 minutes in, there's no sign of

929
00:43:20.820 --> 00:43:24.000
them, and maybe we've forgotten about it by then because it's all

930
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:25.380
been sort of fairly engaging.

931
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:31.139
But that does make me suspect that I probably was thinking that

932
00:43:31.139 --> 00:43:34.920
the controller who had been there since she was 5 might have been

933
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:37.440
being controlled by the Daleks.

934
00:43:37.500 --> 00:43:39.480
But I guess I couldn't be sure.

935
00:43:39.659 --> 00:43:43.440
I think it's a sort of fairly standard scene, sort of action scene

936
00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:46.440
where suddenly the doctor, again, is a man with a gun running up

937
00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:48.420
to avenge the death of his woman.

938
00:43:48.539 --> 00:43:53.400
He's so broken that he turns into a sort of standard action hero.

939
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:57.360
And then very quickly that's diffused with that fantastic scene.

940
00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:00.000
I like the way that Rossell always writes that that is the

941
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:01.320
ultimate defeat for the doctor.

942
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:04.440
Yeah. to become an American.

943
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:09.840
And the last time he did that was...

944
00:44:09.900 --> 00:44:10.500
Yeah, yeah.

945
00:44:10.500 --> 00:44:12.239
So, I mean, there's another parallel.

946
00:44:12.300 --> 00:44:17.039
But he immediately throws his gun to the male programmer, which I

947
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:19.920
just think is a fabulously doctor-ish thing to do.

948
00:44:19.980 --> 00:44:23.219
It's like Paul McGann holding a gun to his head, only not really

949
00:44:23.219 --> 00:44:24.059
really terrible.

950
00:44:25.980 --> 00:44:29.099
Whereas I don't think Jack gives up his guns.

951
00:44:29.219 --> 00:44:31.500
No, he's not out of bounds kind of guy.

952
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:37.739
But he does get into the Tartars and into the plot point of

953
00:44:37.739 --> 00:44:41.760
working out that the death rays, in fact, not the death ray, so

954
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:46.619
that we can have a joyous scene between the doctor and Jack.

955
00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:48.119
Don't you think?

956
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:50.820
He should have just rushed in and said, actually, I've just

957
00:44:50.820 --> 00:44:53.820
discovered that the death rays don't kill people, they just

958
00:44:53.820 --> 00:44:54.539
transport you.

959
00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:58.019
Instead, he just tells me that, you stand over here while I shoot

960
00:44:58.019 --> 00:44:59.340
him.

961
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:02.159
It's a fantastic scene.

962
00:45:02.219 --> 00:45:04.800
It's like super amazing and she's really good in it.

963
00:45:05.099 --> 00:45:07.260
Show don't tell.

964
00:45:09.059 --> 00:45:10.440
Yes.

965
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:13.800
Yes, she's here's one I made earlier.

966
00:45:13.860 --> 00:45:15.360
Oh, yes, I'm going to show you.

967
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:20.039
And when she comes back, she's sort of like wobbly and stunned.

968
00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:22.440
You can't help but laugh.

969
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:26.099
And of course, at that point, then we do cut to the Daleks

970
00:45:26.099 --> 00:45:32.280
spaceship and that wonderful music that is part of them.

971
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:33.719
Well, that is Philip Glass.

972
00:45:33.780 --> 00:45:38.820
And then it's actually, um, it's actually Bernard Herman, and then

973
00:45:38.820 --> 00:45:39.719
it's Philip Glass.

974
00:45:39.780 --> 00:45:43.199
Murray Gold, like this podcast, like Doctor Who is always good

975
00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:45.179
when he's doing something else, somebody else.

976
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:47.039
It is, it's great music.

977
00:45:47.099 --> 00:45:48.059
It's Ark Norton.

978
00:45:48.119 --> 00:45:52.139
Lifted directly from Philip Blast's opera. chanting what is...

979
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:53.039
Oh, the chanting stuff.

980
00:45:53.340 --> 00:45:55.860
No, I was talking about the actual moments of introduction.

981
00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:57.179
No, the chanting is what?

982
00:45:57.239 --> 00:45:58.320
Yeah I don't know.

983
00:45:58.380 --> 00:46:00.480
I'd heard Hebrew as well, I think.

984
00:46:00.539 --> 00:46:05.519
The source of design is from where, you know, the source of where

985
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:05.880
it's from?

986
00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:10.079
very close to the comics from the 60s, the century 21 Dalek back

987
00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:10.860
panel strip.

988
00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:13.500
We're back to the tiny gun again, aren't we?

989
00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:13.739
Yes.

990
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:18.179
Do you remember the Dalek Invasion of Earth DVD release where

991
00:46:18.179 --> 00:46:22.079
there's a special option where you can replace the wobbly tinfoil

992
00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:26.159
plate with a sort of rather stately version of these.

993
00:46:26.219 --> 00:46:27.719
Yeah, it looks like them.

994
00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:29.340
And that like that predates that.

995
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:32.400
So it is the classic sort of flying saucer things.

996
00:46:32.460 --> 00:46:38.099
And I think that Russell has said in interviews that Terry Nation

997
00:46:38.099 --> 00:46:43.800
had always really wanted to create a giant space opera with 1000s

998
00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:47.280
of Daleks and spaceships and stuff and now we can finally do it.

999
00:46:47.340 --> 00:46:50.940
So this is what Dalek Masterplan might have looked like.

1000
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:55.920
And the artists, was it Eric Eden, who drew the Century 21 strip

1001
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:56.639
for part of it.

1002
00:46:56.699 --> 00:47:00.300
Anyway, they all started working on Frank Hampson's Dan Dare

1003
00:47:00.300 --> 00:47:03.900
strips of the early 1950s, and just a little squee moment, the

1004
00:47:03.900 --> 00:47:08.280
Dalek missiles directly lifted from tree missiles from Dan Dare.

1005
00:47:08.340 --> 00:47:09.539
I know.

1006
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:14.159
These things are so important to people like us I really love the

1007
00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:17.820
whole reveal of all of those ships.

1008
00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:21.900
I love the fact that, you know, we've got dialogue about someone's

1009
00:47:21.900 --> 00:47:22.980
been playing a long game.

1010
00:47:24.179 --> 00:47:30.119
And then we obviously get the 1000s of ships and 1000s, half a

1011
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:33.960
1000000 Daleks or whatever have been created and the Daleks, of

1012
00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:38.280
course, monitor it and go, we have been detected and announced to

1013
00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:41.280
the doctor that we have your associate.

1014
00:47:41.340 --> 00:47:45.420
Yes, they don't have friends, Daleks. sexual association?

1015
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:49.920
No companions, no assistance, just your associate.

1016
00:47:49.980 --> 00:47:53.639
So this is a different kind of cliffhanger.

1017
00:47:53.699 --> 00:47:57.239
This is a rose in Peril cliffhanger, and the final shot is her

1018
00:47:57.239 --> 00:48:00.900
being surrounded by lots of kind of Daleks floating Daleks and

1019
00:48:00.900 --> 00:48:01.320
stuff like that.

1020
00:48:01.380 --> 00:48:04.619
But it's not quite that, is it?

1021
00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:06.420
Because of the doctor's speech.

1022
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:08.460
What do we think of this as a cliffhanger?

1023
00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:09.179
No.

1024
00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:11.699
What is the meaning of this negative, dog?

1025
00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:12.480
don't know.

1026
00:48:13.860 --> 00:48:16.679
I'm as confused as a dalek.

1027
00:48:16.739 --> 00:48:18.659
But it's very effective.

1028
00:48:18.659 --> 00:48:22.019
Traditionally, that sort of cliffhanger would have been

1029
00:48:22.019 --> 00:48:27.059
exterminate, exterminate, exterminate, and a close-up on the

1030
00:48:27.059 --> 00:48:30.780
companion is completely subverting what you expect.

1031
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:32.579
She's not dead.

1032
00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:35.280
And she's not in immediate peril.

1033
00:48:35.340 --> 00:48:38.460
She's not about to be exterminated.

1034
00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:44.579
It's the doctor being powerful and triumphant and spurred on by

1035
00:48:44.579 --> 00:48:48.599
his desire to get his friend out of out of danger.

1036
00:48:48.659 --> 00:48:51.420
The only thing is not doing is the Austrian accent.

1037
00:48:51.539 --> 00:48:54.960
They've already lampshaded President Schwarzenegger.

1038
00:48:55.019 --> 00:48:58.320
And you think, if only that actually just watched that episode of

1039
00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:01.199
The Simpsons and said President Trump, we were all, oh, God.

1040
00:49:01.260 --> 00:49:03.300
But yeah, because it is.

1041
00:49:03.360 --> 00:49:06.599
It's a Schwarzenegger moment, which in itself is a John Ford, John

1042
00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:10.260
Houston, Western moment where everything is gone, you know, the

1043
00:49:10.260 --> 00:49:13.019
farms are burnt, the cattle is lost.

1044
00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:13.860
So what do we do?

1045
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:15.599
We just say, no, no, you haven't won.

1046
00:49:15.659 --> 00:49:20.280
I'm going to come in loan without a gun and I'm going to bitch

1047
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:23.820
slap and tongue lash the buggery out of all of you and you go to

1048
00:49:23.820 --> 00:49:25.500
whimper, whimper.

1049
00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:29.519
Yes. with all my northern brittle edginess.

1050
00:49:29.579 --> 00:49:31.199
He's quite camp.

1051
00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:36.840
I think the closest parallel is the, there's one thing you don't

1052
00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:40.679
put into a trap speech in time of angels in series five.

1053
00:49:40.739 --> 00:49:43.860
We know that the doctor is going to rescue her.

1054
00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:48.420
There's absolutely no doubt after that speech that she isn't in

1055
00:49:48.420 --> 00:49:48.780
peril.

1056
00:49:48.900 --> 00:49:49.679
She'll be fine.

1057
00:49:49.739 --> 00:49:54.179
And so the big thing that we're looking forward to is the doctor

1058
00:49:54.179 --> 00:49:57.360
actually doing that, what's he going to do next week?

1059
00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:05.280
The next time trailer, when I was watching this, comes literally

1060
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:09.719
straight away, like it's not at the end of the credits, it's boom

1061
00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:10.980
straight up.

1062
00:50:11.039 --> 00:50:16.800
And I guess I'm used to them being at the end credits based on 10

1063
00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:19.440
series, but in this series they're not always there.

1064
00:50:19.500 --> 00:50:22.199
There's sort of like a 2nd cliffhanger.

1065
00:50:22.260 --> 00:50:22.559
Yeah.

1066
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:25.500
By having that because there's that big booming voice.

1067
00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:26.639
It survived through me.

1068
00:50:26.699 --> 00:50:28.800
You think, what the blazes is that?

1069
00:50:28.860 --> 00:50:34.260
That's another besides that I'm left with what is this big voice?

1070
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:36.420
through me, Peter.

1071
00:50:36.900 --> 00:50:38.760
See, Janet.

1072
00:50:38.820 --> 00:50:41.579
I think it's a great 2nd cliffhanger.

1073
00:50:41.639 --> 00:50:41.940
I love it.

1074
00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:44.280
Like I said, I always spent all week speculating about who the

1075
00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:44.820
hell that was.

1076
00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:45.780
I had no idea.

1077
00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:49.920
And I think by then I hadn't heard the Emperor Dalek from Evil of

1078
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:51.539
the Daleks, whose voice that is.

1079
00:50:51.539 --> 00:50:53.820
It's pretty close to it, isn't it?

1080
00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:56.099
It's also a century 21 comic again.

1081
00:50:56.219 --> 00:50:56.940
Yeah.

1082
00:50:56.940 --> 00:50:58.019
And Janet's Mara.

1083
00:50:58.079 --> 00:50:59.760
I mean, she was she's a manly far away.

1084
00:50:59.880 --> 00:51:00.659
Fangirling.

1085
00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:01.139
Yes.

1086
00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:03.719
Have you been listening to a lot of Janet or?

1087
00:51:03.719 --> 00:51:04.440
I actually do.

1088
00:51:04.500 --> 00:51:05.880
It's funny. again, my pick of the week.

1089
00:51:05.940 --> 00:51:07.980
I've been listening to all of the big Finnish, Janet.

1090
00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:11.699
Fielding, you know, say, I will never come back to Big Finish.

1091
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:13.860
But she hasn't.

1092
00:51:13.860 --> 00:51:14.820
She's the best.

1093
00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:17.219
They are my favourite big finishes.

1094
00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:19.860
Yeah, but that's that's your pick for next week.

1095
00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:20.579
Possibly.

1096
00:51:20.940 --> 00:51:23.579
Well, that's Al Cliffhager, I guess.

1097
00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:25.980
You can all come back next week and find out what Richard's pick

1098
00:51:25.980 --> 00:51:26.519
of the week is.

1099
00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:28.619
Yes, his nose, probably.

1100
00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:30.119
Have a biscuit.

1101
00:51:58.980 --> 00:52:02.519
Well, dear listener, it looks like we're going to be spending the

1102
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:05.820
week trapped on that giant Dalek spaceship, but at least we're all

1103
00:52:05.820 --> 00:52:09.000
wearing our stylish and affordable pairs of stellar pock paint

1104
00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:09.719
shoes.

1105
00:52:09.780 --> 00:52:13.079
We'll be back next week for the denouement in the parting of the

1106
00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:13.679
waves.

1107
00:52:13.739 --> 00:52:14.460
It was hats.

1108
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:20.039
In the meantime, you can find us at flightthroughentirety.com

1109
00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:23.219
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1110
00:52:23.219 --> 00:52:24.900
podcast on Twitter.

1111
00:52:25.019 --> 00:52:28.619
You can also find us at Jody Inter Terror, where we phone each

1112
00:52:28.619 --> 00:52:31.860
other up in our pyjamas to debrief about each episode of series

1113
00:52:31.860 --> 00:52:32.699
11.

1114
00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:34.860
That's Jodyinterterra.com.

1115
00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:38.940
Jody Interterra on Apple Podcasts and at Jody Interterra on

1116
00:52:38.940 --> 00:52:39.360
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1117
00:52:39.420 --> 00:52:43.800
Over on Bondfinger, we've now flown through the entire James Bond

1118
00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:48.059
film franchise, providing expert commentary on every film.

1119
00:52:48.119 --> 00:52:51.000
You can find it all at bondfinger.com, bondfinger on Facebook and

1120
00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:53.699
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1121
00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:57.420
Until next time, may your viewing figures always continue to go

1122
00:52:57.420 --> 00:52:57.719
up.

1123
00:52:57.780 --> 00:52:59.940
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1124
00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:01.079
See you soon.

1125
00:53:01.139 --> 00:53:01.980
Ta-ta.

1126
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:03.360
I should like a hat like that.

1127
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:08.639
That was Flight through Entirety, starring Todd Bealby, Nathan

1128
00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:11.099
Bottomley, James Selwood and Richard Stone.

1129
00:53:11.159 --> 00:53:13.679
Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, Strings Performance by Jane

1130
00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:14.519
Orberg.

1131
00:53:14.579 --> 00:53:17.460
This episode, your whole existence is watching television was

1132
00:53:17.460 --> 00:53:21.179
recorded on the 14th of October 2018 and released on the 11th of

1133
00:53:21.179 --> 00:53:21.599
November.

1134
00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:28.079
Here at FDE Productions, we'd like to apologise for the length of

1135
00:53:28.079 --> 00:53:30.840
this episode's outro, which was necessitated by the recent

1136
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:34.139
expansion of the FDE cinematic universe.

1137
00:53:34.199 --> 00:53:36.659
Our next new podcast, The Death of Cyril Shapps, will be released

1138
00:53:36.659 --> 00:53:38.340
sometime in late 2019.

1139
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:43.380
And I think there's a sort of large hipped woman who goes around

1140
00:53:43.380 --> 00:53:48.659
hotels with a an ultraviolet light and checks all the bedclothes

1141
00:53:48.659 --> 00:53:50.460
and stuff and then berates people.

1142
00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:52.739
Like that's a sort of genre of TV.

1143
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:57.420
I guess what not to wear is a problem because of the consumerism

1144
00:53:57.420 --> 00:53:58.019
aspect.

1145
00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:01.019
On an aside about blue lights.

1146
00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:04.619
When I worked at the ABC many years ago.

1147
00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:07.980
There was a book that there was out called Spotless.

1148
00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:09.059
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1149
00:54:09.059 --> 00:54:09.659
I remember.

1150
00:54:09.659 --> 00:54:12.480
Like, Haddie Hips to clean your house.

1151
00:54:12.599 --> 00:54:17.579
And the woman, she was a housewife who had all these handy tips

1152
00:54:17.579 --> 00:54:21.360
and she became a household name because she appeared on the ABC.

1153
00:54:21.420 --> 00:54:25.800
But she used to tell people to come into the shops and buy the

1154
00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:31.920
Sonic screwdrivers so that it could use them to look for stains on

1155
00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:33.539
things around the house.

1156
00:54:33.599 --> 00:54:35.460
Where are you going with this?

1157
00:54:35.579 --> 00:54:40.320
So the light from the Sonic screwdriver would actually show up.

1158
00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:44.460
Like a must for anyone who has teammates.

1159
00:54:44.519 --> 00:54:46.679
Yeah, a cheap person's ultraviolet light kind of thing.

1160
00:54:47.159 --> 00:54:50.039
Could they find compact laser deluxe?

1161
00:54:50.219 --> 00:54:54.780
Well, you know, people complain that they don't learn anything for

1162
00:54:54.780 --> 00:54:56.579
this podcast, but there you go.

1163
00:54:56.639 --> 00:54:59.039
That's a little helpful tip that you can take into your own

1164
00:54:59.039 --> 00:54:59.579
person.

1165
00:54:59.880 --> 00:55:02.460
So you could actually use the ninth doctor's Sonic to...

1166
00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:04.860
I thought it was just 201 uses.

1167
00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:07.380
It's got 3 settings.