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And Basil Brush returns at the same time next week.

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This is BBC One.

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Coming up later at 8 o'clock.

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Beryl Reed is amongst the guests joining Terry Wogan for Blankety

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Blank, and at 9 p.m. it's good night from him and good night from

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him with the 2 Ronnies.

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Now, though, we begin an exciting new adventure for the flythrough

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entirety team as they join Peter Davidson in Doctor Who meets the

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Enlightenment.

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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flightthrough Entirety

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the only Doctor Who commentary podcast exhilarated by the

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confusion in Janet Fielding's mind.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm James.

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I'm Colin.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Todd, and I appear to be an anachronistic Dyson that sucked up

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Turlo as a spacesuit for this. episode.

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Watch for these, watch me stupid plastic head.

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So, you're probably like us on the menu screen for the

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Enlightenment DVD.

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But before we go on, let me welcome friend of the podcast, Colin

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Neal, who's joined us here from the UK.

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Hi, thanks for joining.

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Let me join.

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Hey, thanks for joining me. just nervous.

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Colin's come all in black as a tribute to Valentine dials.

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Exactly.

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This bird on my head. won't go away.

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That's why you're dressed in black.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's a thing.

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Did you have to choose an ibis on your head, though.

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That's my only question.

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We call them beaten chickens here.

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So in June 2017, would you believe?

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In June 2017, we asked you to vote on 4 possible stories for a

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Peter Davison commentary.

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Arc of Infinity, Resurrection of the Daleks, 4 to Doomsday, and

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Enlightenment.

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And the winner with 40% of the vote was Richard's choice

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enlightenment.

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So that's what we're doing today. fixed it.

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It was the Trumpian allegiate vote.

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No, you need 40% to win.

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No, exactly.

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No, he put his thumb on the Google Sheet.

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I think friend of the podcast, Stephen Bea voted 3 times for in

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line.

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Let's have a look at it.

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Stephen is well done, Steve.

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Checks in them.

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Anyway, so we've got our DVD ready to go.

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James's finger is hovering over the over the button of the

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PlayStation 4 controller.

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And we are going to press the play button the next time you hear

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me say the code word, hornpipe.

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Okay, are we ready?

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No, it's not rack.

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Okay, all right, everyone, let's get ready to go, James.

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Hornpipe.

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Help me.

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Here comes Doctor Who in the TARDIS.

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It's only 12 o'clock.

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No one's been drinking.

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Haven't I?

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Susan Carmen conducts the crankies.

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Don't expect anything in life.

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Right, right, right.

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They're allowed?

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They're very few and far between.

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Just not on the podcast, apparently.

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Yes.

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Is she the first?

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Is she the 1st woman to write for the show?

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Solo, I think.

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Yeah, yeah.

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The R has a co-writing credit, doesn't it?

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And this is the episode where they change the lights to match. very

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nice.

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This is what this is what Jameson is terribly racist.

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It is.

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It is.

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How can ginger be racist?

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He was saying that this is how he wanted the TARDIS to look all

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the time, as in flattering to his so-called 29-year-old bonds.

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And it diminishes the show. yeah Well, it diminishes the size of

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his hair, doesn't it?

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What do they all come as?

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His hair's rather long here, isn't it?

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It's whereas Tegan's isn't.

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Not until later.

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It's like they've all had a go with the garden shears, doesn't

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it?

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I got the 80s blunt cut was awful.

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And what about the costumes?

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Can we start on the frocks?

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Start what we mean to finish.

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I don't mind the poop tube.

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She was no fond.

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Was she?

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She was no fondler of the blue cheese. stuffed into that, isn't

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she?

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It's my least favourite.

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She's got an extra pair of boobs.

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She's actually got four.

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If you look at them, or at least, or at least three, centric a

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Columbus.

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She large one underneath.

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She was the original concept for Deanna Troy all the time because

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Deanna Troy was going to have 3 breasts.

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And Gene Ronbury only relented when Marina Surtees asked, how are

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they to be arranged?

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He is.

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I'm actually not Oh my god.

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It was whining her up.

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She could have worn one as a humble.

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When are we doing the TNG podcast?

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We're not doing it now, no, we're not doing it.

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I've given you everything you've.

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Oh, it is you, in it?

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In it.

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Oh dear.

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Always comes in one of those lovely fish scale. mobiles that we

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used to have in the 70s.

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Remember those?

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Those lovely things that used to tinkle and annoy.

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And what's he got in his ear?

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He's wearing a sequence dress.

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He is.

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It's such a bad take on this character, like a truly, truly

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terrible take on this character.

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So he's completely passive.

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He can't do anything Whereas before we saw him, he was that sort

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of fabulous colonial guy on a sort of plastic plantation

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somewhere.

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With racial, well, with solid racialist overtones and utter

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bastard intent.

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Yes.

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Yes, but besides not doing anything.

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Like previously, he wasn't going to let the doctor do anything

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ever.

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So here, it's I agree with you, Nathan. such a terrible take.

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Well, it's turning him into a science fiction character instead of

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a sort of bizarre, homesian kind of weird archetype.

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It does remind me a bit of of Q. like the 1st episodes of Q from

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the next generation, where Q would be sitting in a similar

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colonialist chair and he continued that character the whole way

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through, whereas he's just become a vague plot device with a duck

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on his head.

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At least at least Valentine Dale comes in and just eats the whole

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scene.

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But why does the Black Guardian have more seem to have more

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power.

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Like it's just ridiculous.

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Because the universe is out of balance.

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No, it's a well-known topic in moral philosophy that evil is

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actually much better than good, like much cooler.

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You ask a manual.

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Good to know.

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And much more powerful than it.

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I mean, what happened in America in 2016.

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They do seem to get more work done, don't they?

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The, the, yes, the tar covered pigeons.

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Chicks and looks so shifty all the time.

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It's so good.

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I wonder if you squeeze her, she sounds like one of those rubber

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chickens.

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Janet, because we're watching this with the sound turned down.

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I wonder if all her lines have been delivered as the vocal tones

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of a rubber chicken.

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I'm gonna throw myself against this fricking wall again.

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Well, that was that was good coordinator done.

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It was, wasn't it?

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Coordination by the team out of kilter hair.

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Oh, look at his hair.

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I think it's competing with the ducks.

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One of my favourite things that fanboys do now because he's

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complained about Jody Whittaker getting her hair blonded and it's

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kind of like, who cares?

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What's this?

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What's this?

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No doctor in history ever had their hair dye?

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No, that's not the colour.

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Good Lord intended, is it?

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Or bleached and then scrunch permed while in a harness flying with

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Bonnie Langford.

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Yes, that's real...

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That was Colin Baker's real hair colour.

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But we had all of those things done except with the Bonnie

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Langfords.

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Well, there's some stories about conventions, Richard, but you

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know. can I say the roundles look so dirty.

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I just want to get some cleaning.

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I've been going...

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It looks like the pointy end of Tegan's head has hollowed them all

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out.

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She is conical for this story.

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Like a big nib.

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They're always doing this, aren't they?

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Coming out of the box with a torch.

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You never saw torches before.

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Now they've got these lovely classy cylindrical, earth shocking

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and things.

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Well, they can only do overlit or underlit.

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They couldn't do just right.

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This is true.

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So, but I do remember our Dave talking about the how much he loved

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the lighting in this.

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That's our Dave up there.

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And Mark, of course, is hogging the scenery.

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I don't know how he manages to do that.

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Oh, me moves more than anybody else.

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Twitching about.

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Yeah.

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Twitching about and there's several scenes where he just doesn't

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blink. from a day.

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How many other flightless hat chickens were, you know, hidden

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about his person?

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makes a man uncomfortable.

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I'm annoyed by the way that the uh, that the subtitles misspell

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the words suppose every time it appears.

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We must mention that constantly then each time because that's got

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me angry already and I haven't even noticed it.

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I love the way Peter Davidson always ducks down in a hurry.

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Oh, yeah, he does it really well.

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Right behind, right behind those misspelt cases that say striker.

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You know, it's kind of really meant to say that.

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They kind of collapses out of shot, doesn't he?

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He does.

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Inflatable.

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It's like airplane.

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No, his hair takes slightly longer to go down than he does, which

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is...

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It's got a drag effect.

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Turn your fricking light off if you don't want to be seeing your

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nuts.

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Oh, whoops.

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I never noticed that before.

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Oh, everything is an 80s video, isn't it?

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Look at Steve Strange fading to gray.

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Who made that point?

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Was it Pip Madley?

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Oh, we all did back in the day.

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That was that was common parlance in my playground.

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Oh, and you got big hands.

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They're so reassuring.

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How is he holding the TARDIS?

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It just looks wrong.

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He's feeling up the...

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Isn't it, isn't the camera supposed to be in the light?

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Well.

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Can she see him?

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Creepy.

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It's very nice.

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There's a whole lot of antigenes in this, isn't there?

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There's a whole lot of stagey Shakespeare, silliness in this.

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I quite like.

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Everyone's full of portentous doom and stuffed doves.

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Here's the White Guardians exposition coma.

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Exposition coma.

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Tick the box, dear listener.

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Otherwise, there's Basil.

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Who did the frocks for this one?

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Young Brandon?

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Do we not?

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The frocks for this one were done by Dinah Collins.

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Yeah, well, who put in a lot of effort.

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When the console, um, yeah, yeah, she really wanted to research

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the proper historical stuff and the spacesuits we see later on in

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the stuff.

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Imagineering.

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Yes, the stuffed ducks as well, which Cyril Luckam found

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hilarious.

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Now, the reason that we...

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For the palindromes alone, the reason that the concert will just

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exploded was Mike, this was Mike Kelt's 1st story on Doctor Who, I

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believe, and he was so appalled by it, he asked JNT, do we have

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the budget to rebuild it?

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And JNT said maybe next season.

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And Mike said, right, can I blow it up then?

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And so they knew that this was the last time that they were going

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to, they were going to use it, which is why in the king's demons

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you get lots of close-up shots in the Tartars console room and not

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many wide shots because they had to paint over the scorch marks.

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Gee, these sailors do live in confined quarters, don't they?

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Yes, it must be very rough for them.

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It's all Latestian. creating all static.

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And there's Turlow wincing because he's right back at school.

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Who did the hair for this episode?

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we know?

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Cyril Lockham.

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It actually, yeah, it does actually feel like terror hawks, doesn't

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it?

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They've all got those really wrong wonkies, misshapen wigs and

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just slightly off.

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And and the revelation that Turlo's and Andrew Gum with those

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eyebrows.

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Any story now?

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You're right about him not blinking, Colin.

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What he got?

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What he got on his person that's Superclue, I think.

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Another one of Janet's chickens.

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So who do we have doing the makeup and hair and makeup?

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Hair and makeup is Gene Stewart, and she is joined by Carolyn

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Perry for the remainder of the story when we start seeing people

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from more cultures, if you like, or impersonating more cultures, as

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the case may be.

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Appropriating more cultures.

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Quite literally because, you know, they're nicking them.

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I do love this episode.

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I know it's slow and long, but it really just builds up to that

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great reveal.

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Just the whole concept coming together.

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Just, it's really good.

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I really loved it at the time.

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The pace is great, isn't it?

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The slowness of it.

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It's sapphire and steel with things happening.

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There's Barry from EastEnders.

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Ooh, it is too.

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Barry from EastEnders. from extras. really good in there.

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He's one of the good guys, isn't he?

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As a kid, I found this episode quite dull. but I was mourning the

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loss of Misa.

326
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Oh, yeah, of course.

327
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It's always a thing isn't it?

328
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Yeah.

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And so I actually found...

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She would have really added...

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She would have stayed in the TARDS.

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She would have held that torch with a surety as she stepped out.

333
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Tell me biogenesis would have come in.

334
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That's it.

335
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A major plot point.

336
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It is just an incredible cliffhanger revelation though, isn't it?

337
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Janet looks so disturbed, you answer.

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You can see how excited Janet actually is to be in it. smoking

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going on in the background too.

340
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Are they smoking?

341
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Yes, uprageous.

342
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That's been smoking for a long time after this, do they?

343
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On British television?

344
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I mean, you can still smoke, but it has to be period smoking.

345
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No, no, we're smoking in resurrection next year.

346
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It's everything in resurrection.

347
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Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

348
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Like smoking was not banned at this point in British television.

349
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But it's not technically bad now.

350
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It's just dealt with a plot reason for it.

351
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Oh, hello, yeah.

352
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Mr. Creepy.

353
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How true.

354
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He's good though.

355
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He's very good. grind to date with that guy.

356
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He has that great matinee idol, British thick lips.

357
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Everything's too thick.

358
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What did you say, James?

359
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We're glossing over.

360
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No.

361
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So it looked like it.

362
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Could he read your mind?

363
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Well, what you were thinking, did you, darling?

364
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What a town my thoughts would tell.

365
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God, the sailors are all a bit rough, aren't they?

366
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It's a bit disappointing.

367
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Well, not that one next to Taylor.

368
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Less hello salary.

369
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So hell, no salad.

370
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Have they misspelt mariner as well?

371
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No, no.

372
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So Marin is felt with 2 R's.

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That's his name.

374
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Yeah.

375
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Yeah.

376
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It's it's the same confusion we have with Baron as well because

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there's 2 people called Baron in the cast.

378
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Hence the title of our flights for entirety episode on this one.

379
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So there's Linda Barron with 2 R's and then that other guy, Keith

380
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Barron with one.

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Is that right?

382
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Or the other way around, possibly.

383
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And Keith Barron is, is her mother, yes.

384
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Yes, yes.

385
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That's right.

386
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But there's a story, isn't there, about, we had to remount the

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shoot.

388
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Does anyone remember this?

389
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Yes, there was another captain person, nidge that was bollocked

390
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off.

391
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Can they cast someone else and then he had to pull out or died or

392
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something?

393
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Yeah, that's correct.

394
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It was Peter Salas.

395
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Yes, the lovely Peter Salis.

396
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Yeah, who had appeared in the Ice Warriors as scientist Penley, and

397
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was famous for Last of the Summer Wine, and later for playing

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Wallace in Wallace and Gromit, and he had to pull out because of

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the industrial action that affected Terminus, pushed the shooting

400
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dates back for this.

401
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And there's a famous story where he came into rehearsal and the

402
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director, Uh, there's a famous story where he came into rehearsal

403
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and the director Fiona coming said, and then you walk over here

404
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and he said, oh, and oh, oh, no, I was told this was a sitting

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part.

406
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I don't do walking.

407
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And waited a good 10 seconds before getting up and walking to the

408
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spot.

409
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Jesus how old was he?

410
00:17:45.779 --> 00:17:48.779
No, no, I think he was just, he was tormenting her.

411
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I think Keith Barron's very good in this. very good.

412
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Just, he sells the part of an eternal, just being uncaring.

413
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We're just doing this, just a race for us.

414
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Everything else is entertainment.

415
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It is, I mean, it's about class as well, isn't it?

416
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The Eternals are upper class.

417
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I mean, there's a real sort of class colonialism thing going as

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usual.

419
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And so just the impassivity of the eternals is, you know, kind of

420
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class coded.

421
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They're the Jacob Rismoggs of the... the Southern world. right.

422
00:18:24.119 --> 00:18:26.940
Oh, God, imagine if he was eternal.

423
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Imagine if he was straight.

424
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I don't think he's convincing anybody.

425
00:18:31.079 --> 00:18:33.960
Imagine if you'd like the Eternals run Brexit.

426
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Couldn't get involved.

427
00:18:36.660 --> 00:18:38.519
It does feel like a metaphor, doesn't it?

428
00:18:38.579 --> 00:18:39.000
Yeah.

429
00:18:39.059 --> 00:18:39.660
No I think it is.

430
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I mean, you know.

431
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He is a creeper though, isn't he?

432
00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:47.400
Well, at least he's not looking at a rack.

433
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Captain.

434
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I do like, sorry.

435
00:18:56.160 --> 00:18:57.960
Yeah, and I just want to know why she's not allowed to actually

436
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have breasts for this season. but go on, Colin.

437
00:19:01.319 --> 00:19:03.059
It wasn't going to be about that.

438
00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:08.700
No, I like I like the story arc over the next, these 3 or 4

439
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episodes.

440
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I like the way at the end he does the Star Trek thing and says

441
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what is this thing called love and all that?

442
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Spoiler.

443
00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:16.740
He's this thing called, love.

444
00:19:21.420 --> 00:19:24.839
Oh, that's the cheeky one. like the cheeky one with the bead

445
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probably dead now.

446
00:19:25.559 --> 00:19:27.059
It's all the fun ones.

447
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The fun ones tend to die at sea.

448
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He's probably playing daddies now.

449
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Oh, look at his little cheeky little rubicund face.

450
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I can't understand what...

451
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Little bit of Dutch, little bit of Dutch love, he's saying.

452
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Dutch in you.

453
00:19:43.019 --> 00:19:43.440
Yes.

454
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Yes, well, Turo's managed to keep his school uniform on, which is

455
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miraculous for the...

456
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I'm wearing mine now. time and settings, yes you are, actually

457
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aren't you?

458
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Yes.

459
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Yes, and they're pointing into the pipe and Peter Davidson is

460
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conspicuous by having his jumper do all of his acting for this

461
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scene.

462
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And then we'll give give Turlow a tickle.

463
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This is as close to Homeroticism as you got in classic Doctor

464
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Who.

465
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Oh I don't know.

466
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I think there's Those guys in nappies.

467
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Have you seen the Daleks?

468
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Vengeance on Barrow.

469
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Exactly.

470
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It's not exactly Brendan and Peter in canine and company with the

471
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ropes.

472
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Honking like mad.

473
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Hoop quartered.

474
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Yes.

475
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That's not a real word.

476
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Got dark really quickly.

477
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Soul, junk and hard tech, bags, turtle, be the junk.

478
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Yeah, title of our sex tape.

479
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Oh yeah, there you go.

480
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You go from that line about what the sailors are eating to this

481
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room full of the time.

482
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I love this moment.

483
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Did he just see her?

484
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Yeah.

485
00:21:14.279 --> 00:21:17.099
I think we should be doing script I was reading.

486
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Yes, I think we should be doing the voices to assist the listeners

487
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so we're just bothering to listen to this. can't do an Australian

488
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accent.

489
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Twiver could she.

490
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But I'll say this, it's a much different Tegan than a year ago

491
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when she would have been screaming and shouting at this and doing

492
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your heels in.

493
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I really, really like her.

494
00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:38.160
I really do too.

495
00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:40.079
She gets better. spot the moment, didn't you?

496
00:21:40.140 --> 00:21:41.579
Yeah, when she's drunk, yeah.

497
00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:43.380
Yeah, that story that brain down loves.

498
00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:45.900
Well, she's Australian. after all.

499
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Here he is.

500
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Yeah, marvellous.

501
00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:54.119
There is a sense that they don't.

502
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The 2 behind him.

503
00:21:54.960 --> 00:21:57.660
Yeah, they don't actually achieve animation until they have

504
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contact with mortals. until they're observed by mortals and then

505
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they I always loved that.

506
00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:10.559
Oh, changing the costume?

507
00:22:10.619 --> 00:22:11.220
Patelo?

508
00:22:11.519 --> 00:22:14.160
Have they have they refrocked him?

509
00:22:14.220 --> 00:22:16.259
No, he's got a lovely hat on.

510
00:22:16.380 --> 00:22:18.539
He's like the new Malibu Malibu Stacy.

511
00:22:20.519 --> 00:22:22.619
But how's she different?

512
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She has a hat.

513
00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:28.259
Oh, I know how this video ends. there you go.

514
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That's not quite it, but still.

515
00:22:30.779 --> 00:22:33.000
Why are they all getting along so well?

516
00:22:33.059 --> 00:22:33.720
They're a crew.

517
00:22:34.500 --> 00:22:37.019
Yeah, well, you know.

518
00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:42.119
There's all sorts of team building activities that they can do at

519
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the end of their shift.

520
00:22:46.259 --> 00:22:48.599
I like that very modern window in the background.

521
00:22:48.660 --> 00:22:49.920
Yeah, that's odd, isn't it?

522
00:22:49.980 --> 00:22:52.079
Was it the 1st time he says Braveheart to take?

523
00:22:52.920 --> 00:22:54.599
I don't know.

524
00:22:54.839 --> 00:22:57.240
It did say, yeah, for sure yeah.

525
00:23:00.299 --> 00:23:04.500
No, the set design is really good on this one and the historical

526
00:23:04.500 --> 00:23:05.460
accuracy is there.

527
00:23:05.519 --> 00:23:08.279
Yeah, they put a lot of effort into that.

528
00:23:08.339 --> 00:23:11.700
They did, and this one, and the one iPhone window, they did.

529
00:23:11.819 --> 00:23:15.539
It is, they did have steel, they were using steel frame windows on

530
00:23:15.539 --> 00:23:19.140
the audience ships, so, you know, it's just a, it's 1901, I think

531
00:23:19.140 --> 00:23:19.799
supposed to be.

532
00:23:19.859 --> 00:23:23.220
It is the most minuscule dining room, but I guess we're on a

533
00:23:23.220 --> 00:23:23.460
boat.

534
00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:24.359
So that's all right.

535
00:23:24.420 --> 00:23:27.359
I love this other bit as well in a minute where Pete is really

536
00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:27.779
really hungry.

537
00:23:27.900 --> 00:23:28.619
Here we go.

538
00:23:28.680 --> 00:23:30.839
It's like, nope, I'm staying here.

539
00:23:32.220 --> 00:23:34.920
I haven't been able to eat on screen.

540
00:23:35.039 --> 00:23:37.500
That's true. year and a half .

541
00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:40.619
It doesn't have a lot of luck, usually served in the BBC canteen.

542
00:23:40.680 --> 00:23:40.980
I guess.

543
00:23:41.819 --> 00:23:45.900
There we go Wasn't the BBC canteen known for having actually

544
00:23:45.900 --> 00:23:46.619
decent food?

545
00:23:47.460 --> 00:23:51.359
I don't know, but it was always a gag every, like, the 2 Ronnies

546
00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:52.380
or everything.

547
00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:52.859
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

548
00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:56.279
I was I was thinking that was a boom. not. lantern.

549
00:23:57.420 --> 00:24:01.319
Now, for the dear kind listeners at home, we remember him from the

550
00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:02.579
1960s, don't we?

551
00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:04.019
It's Chaffier.

552
00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:04.500
Yes, we do.

553
00:24:04.619 --> 00:24:06.720
One in the big...

554
00:24:06.779 --> 00:24:07.920
Yes.

555
00:24:07.980 --> 00:24:09.960
Do we all recall from?

556
00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:11.940
Brendan?

557
00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:13.380
Tony Caunter.

558
00:24:13.380 --> 00:24:18.720
Yes. who is also famous for Zed cars. which conflicted with this

559
00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:19.259
in fact.

560
00:24:19.319 --> 00:24:23.819
So pretty much a Doctor Who at this point was being recorded out

561
00:24:23.819 --> 00:24:27.779
of sequence, but in terms of him, all of his scenes for every

562
00:24:27.779 --> 00:24:30.359
episode were recorded in the same recording session.

563
00:24:30.420 --> 00:24:31.980
So he could get back to Zed cars.

564
00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:34.380
So how late did Zedcars run?

565
00:24:34.440 --> 00:24:37.319
Um, That is a good question.

566
00:24:37.380 --> 00:24:38.160
Okay.

567
00:24:38.220 --> 00:24:40.200
But a long time.

568
00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:43.019
Did it overlap with the bill, because that would have been 9 years

569
00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:45.480
be 900 years.

570
00:24:45.539 --> 00:24:48.119
Well, see, 110,000 years.

571
00:24:49.559 --> 00:24:51.420
Sorry, Richard.

572
00:24:57.480 --> 00:25:02.279
There's all these little clues going on, like, um, wetsuits on a

573
00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:05.759
awardian sailing ship and all these things that sort of gradually

574
00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:09.180
make you think it's not quite what it's supposed to be.

575
00:25:09.180 --> 00:25:10.559
Oh, there we go.

576
00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:11.640
I like that.

577
00:25:14.700 --> 00:25:16.500
It makes you feel clever when you're proven correct.

578
00:25:16.559 --> 00:25:17.519
Yeah.

579
00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:23.099
I mean, this is very similar, isn't it, to Carnival of Monsters?

580
00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:27.599
One, in that you're made to think you're in a historical time

581
00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:30.480
period and then you discover, no, it's a sort of science fiction

582
00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:30.900
thing.

583
00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:34.380
But, um, Carnival of Monsters, which I think is a better story

584
00:25:34.380 --> 00:25:34.799
than this.

585
00:25:34.859 --> 00:25:36.839
And doesn't have head chickens?

586
00:25:36.900 --> 00:25:37.680
No.

587
00:25:37.740 --> 00:25:40.980
Well, he does box chickens, got caged chickens.

588
00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:41.460
Yeah.

589
00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:43.200
So this is one up then, isn't it?

590
00:25:43.259 --> 00:25:46.619
Well, and I think this reveal, too, the reveal at the end of

591
00:25:46.619 --> 00:25:51.000
episode one is spectacularly interesting in a way that just some

592
00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:55.079
dumbass puppet monster, you know, bursting through the time.

593
00:25:55.079 --> 00:25:57.660
Spoilers.

594
00:25:58.740 --> 00:26:00.599
And here we go.

595
00:26:03.660 --> 00:26:05.339
It's a single...

596
00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:08.640
What's she doing with the Sinclair on an Igwardian racing yacht?

597
00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:11.279
You're what I sketch.

598
00:26:11.339 --> 00:26:14.400
Right in time with her lips just said it was fantastic.

599
00:26:17.460 --> 00:26:18.660
Oh, wow.

600
00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:20.160
Devastating.

601
00:26:20.640 --> 00:26:23.700
Actually, really good special effects. really good.

602
00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:24.480
That isn't bad.

603
00:26:24.539 --> 00:26:27.900
They look better than the CG versions on the special edition.

604
00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:30.599
I think the CG version though is pretty good.

605
00:26:30.660 --> 00:26:34.500
If they took all the CG from the special edition. and inserted it

606
00:26:34.500 --> 00:26:35.460
into this and replaced it.

607
00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:38.759
That would have made a better thing than doing a special edition, I

608
00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:38.940
think.

609
00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:40.859
Yeah, the special edition's not very good.

610
00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:45.839
But the, um, that shot where the camera's going along in front of

611
00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:49.380
the ships so that you've got a real sense of how many they are and

612
00:26:49.380 --> 00:26:51.180
how they are in relation to one another.

613
00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:52.859
I think is really good.

614
00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:54.720
And there's lots of racing shots as well.

615
00:26:54.779 --> 00:26:56.160
You can see the ships going really, really fast.

616
00:26:56.339 --> 00:26:59.759
Whereas in this, they're sort of just fluttering around a bit.

617
00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:03.299
Can I issue a correction?

618
00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:07.259
Oh, because ZedCars ended in 1978.

619
00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:09.000
Of course, this is 1982.

620
00:27:09.180 --> 00:27:10.380
Juliet Bravo.

621
00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:11.880
Juliet Bravo.

622
00:27:11.940 --> 00:27:13.500
He was a lead in Juliet Bravo.

623
00:27:13.920 --> 00:27:17.099
I think we're now up to the 7th Juliet.

624
00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:19.619
There's been 7 Juliet so far.

625
00:27:19.740 --> 00:27:21.720
For some reason, that's a running gag on Twitter at the moment

626
00:27:21.779 --> 00:27:24.779
everyone's treating Juliet Bravo like it's Doctor Who, and there's

627
00:27:24.779 --> 00:27:28.680
been 7 Juliet. and, you know, the 3rd Juliet.

628
00:27:28.740 --> 00:27:31.319
I didn't even know what Juliet Bravo is listeners.

629
00:27:31.380 --> 00:27:34.500
It's kind of like a forerunner to the bill almost.

630
00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:35.819
But with a woman.

631
00:27:36.539 --> 00:27:38.579
It was groundbreaking.

632
00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:40.559
Okay, so he's part two.

633
00:27:40.859 --> 00:27:43.980
Are we swapping microphones around or are we happy?

634
00:27:44.220 --> 00:27:48.480
Well, Todd has swapped his microphone to me, but we will be

635
00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:53.279
sharing when he wants something, he's he's got a very sharp shock

636
00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:54.720
stick that he's going to poke me with.

637
00:27:55.259 --> 00:27:58.019
That stick is not with you.

638
00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:02.099
Little does he know that's like my favourite thing.

639
00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:08.220
My favourite thing is Janet in the rubber chicken for this

640
00:28:08.220 --> 00:28:08.579
episode.

641
00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:12.480
It's nothing like a bit of light electrocution on a Saturday

642
00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:13.140
morning.

643
00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:15.900
Can I just say DVD controversy?

644
00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:21.779
It's actually the wrong girth of font that in the recreated

645
00:28:21.779 --> 00:28:22.259
titles.

646
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:24.660
It's not quite thick enough. did notice that.

647
00:28:25.140 --> 00:28:27.839
Naughty, naughty restoration team.

648
00:28:27.900 --> 00:28:31.799
I'm also noticing just as little tony, little bit of picture

649
00:28:31.799 --> 00:28:34.200
distortion, which will hopefully be sorted out with the Blu-ray.

650
00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:36.000
Sorry, the tone of my voice.

651
00:28:36.059 --> 00:28:37.019
They're alarmed not.

652
00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:38.519
What you mean?

653
00:28:38.579 --> 00:28:42.779
Um, I'm just seeing little sort of digital artefacts, which I

654
00:28:42.779 --> 00:28:44.339
think will be cleaned up for Blu-ray.

655
00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:46.559
Are you talking about the horizontals?

656
00:28:47.339 --> 00:28:50.039
Yeah, especially down the bottom of the screen, you might be able

657
00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:50.519
to notice.

658
00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:53.759
I mean, hopefully, dear listener, you can't at home, possibly

659
00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:58.259
because it's being upscaled through a PS4 Pro, I believe.

660
00:28:58.319 --> 00:28:59.640
Is that a pro, James?

661
00:28:59.700 --> 00:29:00.839
Yes, I've only got the standard one.

662
00:29:00.900 --> 00:29:01.920
All pros here.

663
00:29:01.980 --> 00:29:03.539
It's funny how the other side live.

664
00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:05.279
Old pros.

665
00:29:05.339 --> 00:29:06.720
Just what you said.

666
00:29:06.779 --> 00:29:07.619
Oh, dear.

667
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:07.980
Yes.

668
00:29:08.099 --> 00:29:09.960
Poor Janet just looked at the next script.

669
00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:19.859
So I know we can't hear it, but I want to say how awesome I think

670
00:29:19.859 --> 00:29:20.339
the music is.

671
00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:24.480
This entire thing, I think it's... apart from that.

672
00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:30.660
For some reason, I've just got the harp music from 5 doctors in my

673
00:29:30.660 --> 00:29:31.319
head constantly.

674
00:29:31.380 --> 00:29:32.640
Hard to rustle on, again.

675
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:34.980
Is it Patty Kingsland?

676
00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:35.579
The story.

677
00:29:35.579 --> 00:29:36.599
It's Malcolm Clark.

678
00:29:36.660 --> 00:29:37.500
Oh, oh.

679
00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:39.180
Have we forgiven him now?

680
00:29:39.240 --> 00:29:41.460
Well, I think this is I think this is his good one.

681
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:44.579
I was hoping for a sea devil's rift.

682
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:48.119
You were very cross about sea devils.

683
00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:49.440
Really distracting.

684
00:29:49.500 --> 00:29:50.160
Yeah, yeah.

685
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:52.319
A lot. shall I do it?

686
00:29:52.380 --> 00:29:52.859
Yes.

687
00:29:58.019 --> 00:30:00.599
That's what this.

688
00:30:00.660 --> 00:30:02.940
I'm hoping the chicken hats will start.

689
00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:06.059
Should we all do the London saxophone quarter as well?

690
00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:12.720
Back to the action.

691
00:30:12.779 --> 00:30:15.180
You are our guest, not our prisoners.

692
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:17.700
Oh, that's always warming to hear that in it.

693
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:18.839
Oh, yes.

694
00:30:18.900 --> 00:30:21.059
Oh, and she's got lost to see, lady.

695
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:25.140
She actually spends most of the season being hungover.

696
00:30:25.140 --> 00:30:26.640
What is it?

697
00:30:26.700 --> 00:30:27.599
Rohypnol.

698
00:30:30.660 --> 00:30:34.859
Even I'm not going to drink that, and I got drunk at Cranley Manor

699
00:30:34.859 --> 00:30:36.599
where a woman locked up her disabled son.

700
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:40.559
No, I will not let it go.

701
00:30:40.980 --> 00:30:42.839
It's good to know.

702
00:30:42.900 --> 00:30:43.559
Good to know.

703
00:30:43.619 --> 00:30:45.299
I love this room.

704
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:48.359
I love all the little touches that it's like, you know, There's

705
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:49.019
quite a few little touches.

706
00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:50.400
And those other...

707
00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:51.599
Thanks, Richard.

708
00:30:52.380 --> 00:30:55.920
Yeah, but I like those little coolbacks, like, you know, aren't

709
00:30:55.920 --> 00:30:57.539
even necessary and all the other stuff.

710
00:30:57.599 --> 00:30:58.500
Oh, here we sorry.

711
00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:02.940
And what was lovely with the upcoming photo of Auntie Vanessa.

712
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:06.779
They actually got Dolore in and paid her for a photo shoot.

713
00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:08.579
It's not just her spotlight headshot.

714
00:31:08.700 --> 00:31:10.440
They specialise.

715
00:31:10.500 --> 00:31:11.160
Exactly.

716
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:13.440
Like, you know, they could have they could have at least got her

717
00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:16.680
in the same hat, the lovely hat she was wearing when she was

718
00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:17.460
hideously murdered.

719
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:20.460
They should put the doll on it. bedside table as well.

720
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:26.579
Aunt even Nessa, you're just like I remember you.

721
00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:28.079
But smaller.

722
00:31:34.140 --> 00:31:35.160
Oh.

723
00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:37.140
Keep your knees together, love.

724
00:31:37.259 --> 00:31:38.819
Mrs. frocks in the background?

725
00:31:38.940 --> 00:31:39.539
There she is.

726
00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:40.019
There she is.

727
00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:41.700
There she is, honey, Vivisa.

728
00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:45.059
No, it's...

729
00:31:45.059 --> 00:31:47.039
She's got a bloody, of course, they put...

730
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:50.160
Romana's chair, yeah.

731
00:31:50.220 --> 00:31:51.599
Oh, a planet.

732
00:31:51.660 --> 00:31:53.940
Actually, that could have been Cyril Luckam's old chair.

733
00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:55.319
I wonder where he stuffed turkeys.

734
00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:02.220
Where's his where's his absinthe gimlet that he was drinking?

735
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:02.759
Oh, yes.

736
00:32:02.819 --> 00:32:04.019
Sorry, gim...

737
00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:06.059
You can say that, I'm having one.

738
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:06.599
Oh, hello.

739
00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:09.960
I was going to say, it's Magneto.

740
00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:13.380
It's Ian McKellen when he could pull it off.

741
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:16.500
Well, it could be...

742
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:18.900
I'm not sure it is him because he's covering his crotch.

743
00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:19.920
Yeah, that's true.

744
00:32:19.980 --> 00:32:21.599
Oh, there you go.

745
00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:23.700
She missed it the 1st time.

746
00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:25.079
Just at the right moment.

747
00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:28.980
Zooming in on that red ruby thing.

748
00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:34.079
No, it's not a Nicola Bryant's photo shoot.

749
00:32:34.140 --> 00:32:35.339
This is a pub.

750
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:38.039
To focus on that ring, that red ring.

751
00:32:38.099 --> 00:32:39.000
Yes.

752
00:32:39.059 --> 00:32:39.839
I didn't see it.

753
00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:42.420
No, you're looking at something else.

754
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:45.420
But as a kid, it's like, why, like, it just stood out.

755
00:32:45.420 --> 00:32:47.339
Like, I remember going, why are they focussing on that?

756
00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:49.019
Right.

757
00:32:49.019 --> 00:32:51.900
So later on, you feel special that you work it out.

758
00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:53.519
Thanks for flagging that, Fiona coming.

759
00:32:53.579 --> 00:32:57.660
Is that Cyril Lockham's chair from...

760
00:32:57.660 --> 00:32:59.160
It feels like a joining.

761
00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:03.000
I'm sorry.

762
00:33:03.059 --> 00:33:07.319
I will say Mark Strickson checked out for a second.

763
00:33:07.380 --> 00:33:09.839
Yeah, well, you were looking at the Greek.

764
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:15.720
Mark Strickson, when he comes in, when he discovers the drink and

765
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:18.720
Tegan unconscious, he does do this little, just this little facial

766
00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:20.819
thing of, 0 my God, she's been drugged. have to help her.

767
00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:25.559
He does sell the complexity of his character in these 3 stories of

768
00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:29.039
someone who has to, has to do something horrible that doesn't

769
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:29.819
really want to.

770
00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:34.380
And I can see why Mark became frustrated where literally from next

771
00:33:34.380 --> 00:33:35.099
week onwards.

772
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:36.900
He's basically just locked in a room everywhere.

773
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:40.619
Oh that is a nice picture.

774
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:42.420
Was she ever in prisoner?

775
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:44.039
She certainly looks like she should have been.

776
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:45.359
She was in prison, I'd say.

777
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:53.759
She doesn't talk about, does Auntie Vanessa get any sort of

778
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:55.740
dialogue, name check and dialogue or anything?

779
00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:56.039
No.

780
00:33:56.099 --> 00:33:58.380
Well, she just, she just said, it's my, I don't believe it.

781
00:33:58.440 --> 00:33:59.099
Auntie.

782
00:33:59.160 --> 00:33:59.460
Oh, okay.

783
00:33:59.519 --> 00:33:59.819
Yeah.

784
00:33:59.880 --> 00:34:01.859
You know, she doesn't say...

785
00:34:01.859 --> 00:34:03.359
Thanks for joining us, Nathan.

786
00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:08.039
You know, she doesn't say, she was killed by the master, who's an

787
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:11.159
evil time lord from the planet Galafre, the constellation of

788
00:34:11.159 --> 00:34:14.280
Casturberus, who shrunk her when I met the doctor, and we went to

789
00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:17.039
Lagopolis, and I demanded to know where the toilet was.

790
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:19.860
Yeah.

791
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:22.619
Well, say what isn't riding this week. though, is he?

792
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:26.340
There we go.

793
00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:28.079
That's our line.

794
00:34:31.619 --> 00:34:33.239
Beautiful.

795
00:34:33.300 --> 00:34:34.920
He's so good.

796
00:34:34.980 --> 00:34:37.440
Well, he just, exactly, by doing almost nothing.

797
00:34:37.500 --> 00:34:38.159
Yeah, yeah.

798
00:34:38.219 --> 00:34:40.920
And the concept that there's someone more powerful out there than

799
00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:41.760
the time lords.

800
00:34:41.820 --> 00:34:43.980
Well, at the moment, it's that Mr. Dyson.

801
00:34:44.099 --> 00:34:45.659
Put your hat on.

802
00:34:45.780 --> 00:34:47.340
A Dyson hat.

803
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:49.679
He's with a back back on the back.

804
00:34:49.739 --> 00:34:51.719
That's why there's no dust on this ship.

805
00:34:51.780 --> 00:34:52.980
Sheep.

806
00:34:56.460 --> 00:35:01.139
I like that they're, that they're, um, more powerful than the Time

807
00:35:01.139 --> 00:35:04.199
Lords, but they basically don't interact with Doctor Who's

808
00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:05.159
mythology in any way.

809
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:06.900
Like they don't do anything.

810
00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:08.400
They have no position.

811
00:35:08.460 --> 00:35:09.420
They're not from a planet.

812
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:12.059
They're not, you know there's literally nothing that we know about

813
00:35:12.059 --> 00:35:12.300
them.

814
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:17.159
They get name checked again, maybe in, I want to say, army of

815
00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:17.639
ghosts.

816
00:35:17.699 --> 00:35:18.659
Really?

817
00:35:18.659 --> 00:35:22.679
Yeah, but basically, they're just this thing.

818
00:35:22.739 --> 00:35:23.699
And I love that.

819
00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:24.239
More of that.

820
00:35:24.300 --> 00:35:26.460
Don't worry, I'm sure there's a...

821
00:35:26.460 --> 00:35:31.260
For series, box set, coming.

822
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:35.699
Maybe the frog from last week's Doctor Who, the puppet frog, was

823
00:35:35.699 --> 00:35:36.360
an eternal.

824
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:42.300
The reason they were able to get Tony Corner, who was an in demand

825
00:35:42.300 --> 00:35:46.139
actor and part of a popular drama to play this role, which feels

826
00:35:46.139 --> 00:35:49.679
like a small role, is because in this episode, all this stuff

827
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:54.539
about the rum cabinet was added at a very late stage because the

828
00:35:54.539 --> 00:35:56.099
script for episode 2 was underrunning.

829
00:35:56.159 --> 00:35:59.099
And once they added that and expanded the part, they realised we

830
00:35:59.099 --> 00:36:01.980
can approach an actor of Tony Corner's calibre.

831
00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:04.139
But it's all, who likes rum?

832
00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:10.559
But it's also why once the rum cabinet subplot is out of the way

833
00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:12.719
he kind of only has one or 2 more lines.

834
00:36:12.780 --> 00:36:13.679
Yeah.

835
00:36:15.420 --> 00:36:20.400
I think there's something spectacularly romantic as well about

836
00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:24.780
having the race take place in the solar system and go past Venus

837
00:36:24.780 --> 00:36:30.360
and stuff rather than going past, you know, Rascu, Al, Colos or

838
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:35.639
whatever the hell, you know, like, um, it's, it's just sort of

839
00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:39.780
terribly, terribly, you know, it's not very science fiction-y.

840
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:42.840
Yeah, and it doesn't, it doesn't go into that territory of like

841
00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:46.139
we're flying into Earth, like, with the queen waving at you, you

842
00:36:46.139 --> 00:36:46.320
know.

843
00:36:46.380 --> 00:36:47.579
It's just there.

844
00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:49.019
Who would ever do that?

845
00:36:54.300 --> 00:36:58.260
I also like that there's, and I'm hoping it's just brilliant

846
00:36:58.260 --> 00:37:02.219
casting, but probably just a fluke, that there's kind of an Aryan

847
00:37:02.219 --> 00:37:07.440
similarity between Keith Baron and Mr. Stroker, sorry, Striker.

848
00:37:07.500 --> 00:37:09.659
It's the Australian expert.

849
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:10.079
Stroker?

850
00:37:10.139 --> 00:37:11.159
didn't even look it up.

851
00:37:14.219 --> 00:37:16.679
Oh, the 2 Ronnies are on when, Colin?

852
00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:19.920
9 o'clock on BBC One.

853
00:37:19.980 --> 00:37:22.380
When are we doing the 2 Ronnies podcast?

854
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:23.880
We're doing it now, darling.

855
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:27.719
Isn't that Nathan's line?

856
00:37:27.780 --> 00:37:28.739
Sorry.

857
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:30.420
I know.

858
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:34.920
This is, you know, it's a new leveller friend of the podcast.

859
00:37:34.980 --> 00:37:39.300
It's like kind of like wife of the podcast. like that.

860
00:37:40.739 --> 00:37:43.440
You think they're not bad, are they?

861
00:37:43.500 --> 00:37:44.460
Oh, they're beautiful.

862
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:45.000
Yeah, yeah.

863
00:37:45.059 --> 00:37:50.219
What I haven't even looked at the CG version. doesn't blink at all

864
00:37:50.219 --> 00:37:50.760
but...

865
00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:54.960
Oh, he is now. for like 3 people.

866
00:37:55.019 --> 00:37:56.880
And then the Eternals take their hats off.

867
00:37:56.940 --> 00:38:00.719
And it's like, this is all a game to them, but they're respecting

868
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:01.079
it.

869
00:38:01.139 --> 00:38:05.039
They're going, they're like full on cosplay and, you know, acting

870
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:05.280
the part.

871
00:38:05.340 --> 00:38:06.480
That's gamesmanship.

872
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:12.360
But only for the Eternals that have just died, not for humans. good

873
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:19.559
point Yeah, yeah, it's kind of like winnership winnership blows up

874
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:22.139
all, you know, sinks to use earth parlance.

875
00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:24.300
You take your hat off and you observe a moment.

876
00:38:24.420 --> 00:38:27.599
You don't feel the emotion of the moment because we know they

877
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:29.400
can't feel emotion, but that's what you do.

878
00:38:29.460 --> 00:38:30.420
It is the dumb thing.

879
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:33.539
And yeah, everything they do is because it's the dumb thing.

880
00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:34.199
Right.

881
00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:34.559
Yeah.

882
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:39.659
That's a nice shot Look at his, look at Mark Strickson's eyebrow.

883
00:38:39.780 --> 00:38:42.059
But isn't that great?

884
00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:45.480
Who's doing Janet's makeup this week?

885
00:38:45.539 --> 00:38:46.860
She looks really pale.

886
00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:50.219
The lights in her dressing room were out.

887
00:38:50.820 --> 00:38:53.699
She wasn't the one with the torch.

888
00:38:54.179 --> 00:38:58.920
It's funny, from behind, she always looks like, was it, with this

889
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:02.639
haircut, I mean, was it, um, was it Jill in Day of the Triffords?

890
00:39:02.699 --> 00:39:03.840
Was that her character name?

891
00:39:03.900 --> 00:39:07.559
Always makes me think of her when I see Janet with this haircut.

892
00:39:07.619 --> 00:39:10.500
Dragged through a hedge backwards.

893
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:12.900
Well, now that Adrick's not on the show anymore, they don't need

894
00:39:12.900 --> 00:39:17.099
to dye her hair red so that they can be told apart.

895
00:39:19.260 --> 00:39:20.880
No, really.

896
00:39:20.940 --> 00:39:21.840
That's what John did.

897
00:39:21.900 --> 00:39:22.800
That's what John said.

898
00:39:22.860 --> 00:39:26.159
And Mark Strickson gets the same treatment, so he doesn't look

899
00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:27.599
like Peter Davidson in long shot.

900
00:39:27.659 --> 00:39:31.199
Despite the fact, you know, he's about 5 inches shorter and

901
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:33.960
wearing a completely opposite coloured costume.

902
00:39:37.019 --> 00:39:39.900
I think JNT just fancy gingers that week.

903
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:45.539
It doesn't feel dated so much as it feels period and is there a

904
00:39:45.539 --> 00:39:46.500
distinction between the two?

905
00:39:46.559 --> 00:39:52.679
I can, I know this is 80s TV without, I can step aside from this

906
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:55.380
being Doctor Who and I can feel the period that it's made in.

907
00:39:55.739 --> 00:40:02.460
And therefore, and it could be this use of long static shots, the

908
00:40:02.460 --> 00:40:07.260
way the actors stand and direct their talking at each other.

909
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:11.099
A well-cooked meal just out there.

910
00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:13.860
And I had to leave it to come here and throw these lines at you.

911
00:40:14.699 --> 00:40:18.780
You're no Beryl Reed in a sock, even if you tried.

912
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:25.079
You can hear him.

913
00:40:28.139 --> 00:40:34.019
Yeah, it's it's the tragedy of of Davidson that this, you can tell

914
00:40:34.019 --> 00:40:37.440
this is where he's really starting to enjoy the role, but he's

915
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:38.699
also, he's already had to resign.

916
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:43.139
Um, or rather opt not to continue after next series.

917
00:40:43.260 --> 00:40:45.599
And you know, he said he said in interviews.

918
00:40:45.659 --> 00:40:47.159
It was at the end of the 2nd year.

919
00:40:47.219 --> 00:40:50.039
I started getting scripts that I thought, you know, 0 yeah, I can

920
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:50.579
sync my date.

921
00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:51.300
Well, actually good.

922
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:54.900
But, you know, by that time, I think it was possibly even during

923
00:40:54.900 --> 00:40:58.980
it was before the 5 doctors. that they announced that he'd be

924
00:40:58.980 --> 00:41:00.780
leaving before the end of the next series.

925
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:01.920
So it's not far off.

926
00:41:01.980 --> 00:41:05.579
And so at this point he knows he's going.

927
00:41:05.820 --> 00:41:09.840
Possibly not in production, but around the time of broadcast.

928
00:41:12.900 --> 00:41:14.639
Oh, he's got that bathroom tap again.

929
00:41:14.699 --> 00:41:16.139
Not even once.

930
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:21.840
I didn't I didn't know that Turlo had an ice addiction.

931
00:41:21.900 --> 00:41:23.340
Oh.

932
00:41:24.300 --> 00:41:26.219
I'm Morton.

933
00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:27.480
Please welcome to the stage.

934
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:32.519
What meth addiction?

935
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:36.420
Crystal Beth.

936
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:42.659
It's Mariner's drag name, is it?

937
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:43.079
Yes.

938
00:41:43.860 --> 00:41:46.500
These scenes are amazing.

939
00:41:46.619 --> 00:41:48.539
These 2 together.

940
00:41:48.780 --> 00:41:52.380
Um, Janet and Christopher Brown.

941
00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:55.739
Uh, it's sort of in my head, Canon.

942
00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:59.280
Chameleon should have taken the form of Christopher Brown.

943
00:41:59.340 --> 00:42:01.739
Yeah, kind of doing it. in this episode.

944
00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:02.639
Is he even in it?

945
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:05.219
Well, no, no, he's not around here. he's coming next week.

946
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:07.679
Yeah, it's like, you know, when they're like, oh, we can't operate

947
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:08.159
the robot.

948
00:42:08.219 --> 00:42:10.199
I think they should have asked Christopher Brown back and said

949
00:42:10.199 --> 00:42:13.260
okay, Chameleon reaches into Tegan's mind and because he likes

950
00:42:13.260 --> 00:42:16.980
messing with people, he chooses a form that's going to creep her

951
00:42:16.980 --> 00:42:17.159
out.

952
00:42:17.219 --> 00:42:17.579
Yeah.

953
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:19.139
You've really thought about this.

954
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:21.659
Yeah, and then he spends a year sexually harassing him.

955
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:23.760
From a cupboard.

956
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:27.900
Just taking the form of Auntie Vanessa, literally.

957
00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:28.800
Volunteer.

958
00:42:34.860 --> 00:42:38.639
But there's lots of really nice variance on shots here.

959
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:40.199
Close-up crystal acting.

960
00:42:40.380 --> 00:42:42.539
I think it's really well directed.

961
00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:43.260
Yeah, it is.

962
00:42:43.260 --> 00:42:46.679
Have you seen the, um, there is a documentary on the DVD talking

963
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:50.159
about the special edition, and poor old Fiona Cumming seems

964
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:53.099
completely bewildered by the whole idea. technology and things.

965
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:55.079
And it just seems to have been...

966
00:42:55.139 --> 00:42:58.860
Yeah, where she seems to really have not had that much to do with

967
00:42:58.860 --> 00:42:59.519
it, I think.

968
00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:03.480
On the other hand, the 2 stories that get this treatment, which

969
00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:06.300
was Peter Davidson's idea of, you know, let's re-edit some of my

970
00:43:06.300 --> 00:43:09.179
stories as if they're the new series, the 2 stories that get the

971
00:43:09.179 --> 00:43:10.500
treatment are Fiona coming.

972
00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:14.219
So I think she was open to the idea if perhaps not quite

973
00:43:14.219 --> 00:43:16.500
understanding how the execution might be.

974
00:43:16.619 --> 00:43:17.579
I think that's fair enough.

975
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:18.119
What's the other one?

976
00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:20.340
Planet of Fire, which is dreadful.

977
00:43:20.460 --> 00:43:22.079
Yeah, yeah, that's a shocker.

978
00:43:22.139 --> 00:43:23.940
They get rid of the music.

979
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:27.659
They get rid of Peter Howell's school. brilliant school.

980
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:29.219
Yeah, and the, I'm sorry.

981
00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:33.059
And for this, a special edition of this, they insert lots of music

982
00:43:33.059 --> 00:43:36.059
that isn't Malcolm Clark into it, and it really does my head in

983
00:43:36.059 --> 00:43:37.980
because it doesn't fit at all.

984
00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:41.280
Yeah, it's just kind of stock, hornblower soundtrack.

985
00:43:41.340 --> 00:43:42.480
Yeah.

986
00:43:42.539 --> 00:43:46.920
We just missed Valentine Dial's comical, hilarious, bad laugh.

987
00:43:46.980 --> 00:43:48.239
They will come back.

988
00:43:48.300 --> 00:43:49.380
Yeah.

989
00:43:49.380 --> 00:43:54.480
Is Burgess Meredith?

990
00:43:54.539 --> 00:43:58.199
We just need you on the podcast all the time, Brandon, to do all

991
00:43:58.199 --> 00:43:58.440
of these.

992
00:43:58.500 --> 00:43:59.460
Just stop the whole thing.

993
00:43:59.820 --> 00:44:02.940
I'll get you to record a soundboard.

994
00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:06.420
I just press Brendan buttons.

995
00:44:07.860 --> 00:44:10.019
Oh, great shot.

996
00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:12.119
Excellent nap and good.

997
00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:19.860
Hmm.

998
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:26.639
There was lots of excited fan chat that we finally got the

999
00:44:26.639 --> 00:44:28.500
celestial toy maker reprise.

1000
00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:29.519
We've always wanted.

1001
00:44:29.579 --> 00:44:30.840
Do you remember all of that at the time?

1002
00:44:30.900 --> 00:44:33.900
Finally look, they're just like the celestial toy maker.

1003
00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:35.219
It was a big thing.

1004
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:36.300
Really?

1005
00:44:36.300 --> 00:44:36.960
racist.

1006
00:44:37.019 --> 00:44:38.519
Well, that well, really?

1007
00:44:40.380 --> 00:44:43.440
But the was stuff was going on.

1008
00:44:43.500 --> 00:44:44.940
Remember TARDIS magazine?

1009
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:47.099
Oh yes, it was terribly excitement.

1010
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:51.179
It was such a weird period that I don't recall that to you

1011
00:44:51.179 --> 00:44:51.599
Brendan.

1012
00:44:51.659 --> 00:44:53.219
Yeah, no, they're too young.

1013
00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:55.920
But there was this sort of feeling that the celestial toy maker

1014
00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:57.780
was an absolute sort of lost classic.

1015
00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:00.480
Yeah, because no one had seen it.

1016
00:45:00.539 --> 00:45:01.260
Yeah.

1017
00:45:01.260 --> 00:45:04.739
Well, Gary Russell loved it and was writing about it at the time

1018
00:45:04.739 --> 00:45:05.280
in fact.

1019
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:06.239
I'm saying it was...

1020
00:45:06.300 --> 00:45:09.119
Now, now we've seen it, and it's shockingly...

1021
00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:10.559
But for a child.

1022
00:45:10.619 --> 00:45:11.880
It's the point of difference.

1023
00:45:11.940 --> 00:45:16.139
And it was lampooning children's TV perfectly, the one-on-one

1024
00:45:16.139 --> 00:45:16.440
thing.

1025
00:45:16.500 --> 00:45:19.679
Give them exactly what they, what they see already and then make

1026
00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:20.219
it horrid.

1027
00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:24.119
I actually watched a bit of it during the week and 0 my god, Jackie

1028
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:26.820
Lane's accent is so bizarre.

1029
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:33.239
Like it's so, so off-putting. and welcome to the stage Janet

1030
00:45:33.239 --> 00:45:33.780
Fielding.

1031
00:45:34.380 --> 00:45:38.039
I will say in terms of the celestial toy maker.

1032
00:45:38.099 --> 00:45:42.000
It's in my bottom 5 TV stories, but the novelisation is excellent

1033
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:43.619
and it's scary.

1034
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:45.000
It's Jerry Davis.

1035
00:45:45.059 --> 00:45:46.380
Oh, and Alison Bingjman.

1036
00:45:46.500 --> 00:45:48.719
I'm not some binge chicken.

1037
00:45:48.780 --> 00:45:51.659
Yeah, I'm not sure who she is.

1038
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:56.039
Perhaps she was an editor or proofreader who ended up writing some

1039
00:45:56.039 --> 00:45:58.980
of it because, you know, we do get stories that Jerry Davis isn't

1040
00:45:58.980 --> 00:46:01.440
actually that good with pros in the 80s.

1041
00:46:01.619 --> 00:46:05.280
But yeah, I see what you mean about.

1042
00:46:05.340 --> 00:46:09.179
To me, Richard, this is kind of the celestial toy maker done right

1043
00:46:09.179 --> 00:46:12.599
in that he's not making sort of corporeal.

1044
00:46:12.659 --> 00:46:17.219
Oh, look, it's a toy, but he's making people into toys, but not in

1045
00:46:17.219 --> 00:46:19.079
a sort of literal marionette kind of way.

1046
00:46:19.139 --> 00:46:21.239
Well, not in a James mucky mouth way.

1047
00:46:21.300 --> 00:46:23.460
Excuse me, I don't know what you mean.

1048
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:25.500
I've never sworn in my life.

1049
00:46:25.739 --> 00:46:28.199
Miss Mucky James.

1050
00:46:28.260 --> 00:46:32.460
I'm going to suck you right off the deck, missing my Dyson space

1051
00:46:32.460 --> 00:46:33.360
that you watch me.

1052
00:46:35.219 --> 00:46:37.679
I could never be that filthy.

1053
00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:39.840
Not on this podcast.

1054
00:46:39.900 --> 00:46:45.239
Why has no one said, you've got a vegetable on your person.

1055
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:47.460
He does.

1056
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:49.139
Look at Mark Strickson in the back.

1057
00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:49.739
Yes.

1058
00:46:49.860 --> 00:46:51.659
Taking up.

1059
00:46:51.659 --> 00:46:55.320
All the scenery he can. that's right Well, he's mugging really

1060
00:46:55.320 --> 00:46:56.400
rather than an actor, isn't he?

1061
00:46:56.519 --> 00:46:57.719
He did that a lot.

1062
00:46:57.780 --> 00:46:59.039
He's looking at look at me.

1063
00:46:59.099 --> 00:47:00.480
Are you looking at his face?

1064
00:47:00.539 --> 00:47:01.139
Look at the face.

1065
00:47:03.239 --> 00:47:07.260
I wonder if it's because, you know, with Mark Strickson's casting

1066
00:47:07.260 --> 00:47:10.260
he had the choice between doing Doctor Who and doing angels, which

1067
00:47:10.260 --> 00:47:11.699
was very popular at the time.

1068
00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:17.280
I wonder if he is just so determined that he's not going to slip

1069
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:20.219
into the background like Matthew Waterhouse and Sarah Sutton often

1070
00:47:20.219 --> 00:47:20.639
did.

1071
00:47:20.699 --> 00:47:22.380
And that's not critical of their performances.

1072
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:27.119
But I think he's he's watched last season of Doctor Who and gone

1073
00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:28.139
right, I'm going to do it this way.

1074
00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:32.039
Well, we've talked before about how a lot of classic companions

1075
00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:35.519
are just the actor's performance, but he is he's got a character.

1076
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:39.900
That other guy looks a bit like John Sim, that 3rd officer, that

1077
00:47:39.900 --> 00:47:40.500
keeps coming around.

1078
00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:43.139
I'm sorry, I was just trying to think who was he?

1079
00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:44.340
And yeah, it just looks like...

1080
00:47:44.340 --> 00:47:45.599
It's actually Sam Tyler.

1081
00:47:45.659 --> 00:47:47.340
He's travel back in time.

1082
00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:52.019
I love how disappointed the doctor is in Turlo there.

1083
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:55.199
Because he's already suspicious about Turlow.

1084
00:47:55.260 --> 00:47:59.219
We know that from Modern Undead, but just his his disappointment

1085
00:47:59.219 --> 00:48:00.480
that Turlow would do.

1086
00:48:00.539 --> 00:48:02.820
What really is quite a minor betrayal.

1087
00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:07.860
And, you know, foreshadowing that he's going to discover just how

1088
00:48:07.860 --> 00:48:09.239
much Turlo has betrayed him.

1089
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:10.980
This is lovely.

1090
00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:11.820
It is lovely.

1091
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:22.800
Yeah, I mean, Barbara Clegg is so deaf because Mariner is creepy.

1092
00:48:22.860 --> 00:48:24.420
But.

1093
00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:32.039
He's he's not creepy in the way that, you know, everyone who lusts

1094
00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:33.360
after Perry is creepy.

1095
00:48:33.420 --> 00:48:34.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1096
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:36.659
You should not understand what it's all about, isn't it?

1097
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:37.500
He's trying to understand.

1098
00:48:38.940 --> 00:48:40.619
He's creepy as opposed to a creeper.

1099
00:48:41.699 --> 00:48:47.460
I also like their technology as well, the eternals, that they're

1100
00:48:47.460 --> 00:48:49.199
not space people from the future.

1101
00:48:49.260 --> 00:48:50.820
Like that they've just...

1102
00:48:50.820 --> 00:48:52.500
No, they're from the... spectrum in there.

1103
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:53.760
No, no, no, that's right.

1104
00:48:53.820 --> 00:48:54.900
It's all.

1105
00:48:56.460 --> 00:48:58.440
They're from the ed.

1106
00:48:58.679 --> 00:49:05.400
And they're kind of like very peaceful, very old people in that

1107
00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:06.719
you want to, are you awake, dear?

1108
00:49:06.780 --> 00:49:07.619
Are you listening to us?

1109
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:09.900
There's just no super ego left.

1110
00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:10.619
So anything.

1111
00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:12.059
Oh, look at that.

1112
00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:12.840
Black people.

1113
00:49:12.900 --> 00:49:15.119
I mean, you just get everything that comes out of their heads at

1114
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:16.440
the 1st moment, don't you?

1115
00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:18.599
They're the Vorons.

1116
00:49:18.659 --> 00:49:19.739
Yeah, maybe.

1117
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:23.639
I don't know what you're talking about When are we doing the

1118
00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:24.719
Babylon 5 podcast?

1119
00:49:24.780 --> 00:49:26.699
I've never heard of that show.

1120
00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:27.840
No, for me.

1121
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:35.400
It's quite good until you get to that episode in season 5 with the

1122
00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:37.679
cleaners wandering around.

1123
00:49:38.219 --> 00:49:40.619
That's Paradise Towers.

1124
00:49:41.820 --> 00:49:44.519
Would you like to know something about that episode, James?

1125
00:49:44.579 --> 00:49:45.599
What?

1126
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:46.199
You're wrong.

1127
00:49:46.260 --> 00:49:46.860
It's brilliant.

1128
00:49:46.980 --> 00:49:47.880
Thank you.

1129
00:49:47.940 --> 00:49:49.920
I was waiting for that Gents.

1130
00:49:49.980 --> 00:49:53.639
I comment on the lovely lighting and optical montaging here.

1131
00:49:53.699 --> 00:49:54.840
Why would you change this over?

1132
00:49:54.900 --> 00:49:57.780
Now I've got to run away like every dear listener and look at the

1133
00:49:57.780 --> 00:50:00.360
CG version just to see how crappy pants it is.

1134
00:50:00.420 --> 00:50:03.420
You'd room that straight after this one.

1135
00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:04.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1136
00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:06.059
We doing a commentary on that version.

1137
00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:07.860
Did we not mention it?

1138
00:50:08.699 --> 00:50:11.039
Will we get you missed it?

1139
00:50:11.099 --> 00:50:13.199
You missed the Chesterton reprise.

1140
00:50:13.260 --> 00:50:14.460
Will we get off, doctor?

1141
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:18.420
I'll show you my wrath.

1142
00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:19.559
Come and have a look at it.

1143
00:50:19.619 --> 00:50:20.340
It's over here.

1144
00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:25.739
It's marvellous, isn't it?

1145
00:50:25.739 --> 00:50:28.679
Perpetual, Tom, except the boat's not going to last all that long

1146
00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:30.179
so it's really not much of a threat shit.

1147
00:50:30.179 --> 00:50:31.260
Yeah, how is that eternal?

1148
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:32.760
much on the ship. finishes.

1149
00:50:34.260 --> 00:50:39.239
Oh, all feisty bottoms say that.

1150
00:50:39.300 --> 00:50:43.440
Well, it is very much him noticing that we're 24 minutes into the

1151
00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:43.860
heaven.

1152
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:49.739
I mean, the other thing is about the Black Guardian.

1153
00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:53.159
You know, he threatens Turlow one set episode for 12 episodes and

1154
00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:56.280
it's like, no, no, I'm really, really crossed this time.

1155
00:50:56.699 --> 00:50:59.400
I'm really, I'm really gonna do...

1156
00:50:59.460 --> 00:51:02.039
I'm really, no, now, now I'm going to hurt you.

1157
00:51:02.099 --> 00:51:03.719
Okay, not now, but next time.

1158
00:51:03.780 --> 00:51:05.699
I'm really, you know, go to your room.

1159
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:06.420
Go to your room.

1160
00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:08.760
No, no, it's like really bad teaching, isn't it?

1161
00:51:08.820 --> 00:51:10.800
You'd better not do that again.

1162
00:51:10.860 --> 00:51:13.380
Or the Mueller next time.

1163
00:51:13.380 --> 00:51:14.820
That's me.

1164
00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:15.960
Get me as a teacher.

1165
00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:18.000
That's me as a teacher.

1166
00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:20.340
And I'm still teaching.

1167
00:51:22.380 --> 00:51:25.019
No, really, boys, stop it.

1168
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:26.280
I mean it.

1169
00:51:26.460 --> 00:51:29.460
It does feel like present times, doesn't it?

1170
00:51:29.460 --> 00:51:33.900
It does feel like the Mueller investigation just never stops.

1171
00:51:35.460 --> 00:51:37.440
Where are we up to now?

1172
00:51:37.500 --> 00:51:40.139
Eric, say, who's been called up?

1173
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:43.800
Michael Cohen's being told he should have 4 years in jail

1174
00:51:43.860 --> 00:51:45.300
substantial prison term.

1175
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:47.340
Very exciting.

1176
00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:48.059
It is.

1177
00:51:48.179 --> 00:51:50.579
Meanwhile, Turlo's jumped his rail.

1178
00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:53.699
Okay, so this is part three.

1179
00:51:55.139 --> 00:51:57.420
It's the gripping excitement.

1180
00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:00.599
Which is...

1181
00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:02.519
Back in his box.

1182
00:52:02.639 --> 00:52:04.380
Oh sorry.

1183
00:52:12.179 --> 00:52:15.960
Davidson ever get a chance to change his slightly tweaked

1184
00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:18.420
expression for his opening titles?

1185
00:52:18.480 --> 00:52:21.179
You know, it just looked like he's set on Cyril Luckham's hat.

1186
00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:26.940
Yeah, I think it's the Castra Volver commentary where Janet says

1187
00:52:26.940 --> 00:52:27.539
Pete, Pete.

1188
00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:28.980
Pete, what is it with that photo?

1189
00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:30.960
You look like you've been goosed.

1190
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:33.480
Well, that was you, Janet.

1191
00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:39.239
Now, can I recommend if you enjoy commentaries on Peter Davidson

1192
00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:42.119
stories, then, the commentary on this one with them in it?

1193
00:52:42.179 --> 00:52:43.920
You know, is it good?

1194
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:47.219
Anyone or anyone with Janet.

1195
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:49.800
Pete does all of them except for...

1196
00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:50.579
The Awakening.

1197
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:51.000
Right.

1198
00:52:51.539 --> 00:52:54.059
Who do they have on the Awakening?

1199
00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:57.719
I believe it's the director and Eric Saywood.

1200
00:52:58.320 --> 00:52:59.940
Scintillating.

1201
00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:01.980
A horse, yeah.

1202
00:53:02.340 --> 00:53:05.579
The lynch gate itself.

1203
00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:07.559
We should do commentaries on the commentaries.

1204
00:53:07.619 --> 00:53:10.019
This a very long reprise, isn't it?

1205
00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:11.099
Isn't it?

1206
00:53:11.159 --> 00:53:13.380
Episode 3 must have been under running.

1207
00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:15.059
I love that shot.

1208
00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:16.500
I love that show.

1209
00:53:17.940 --> 00:53:23.639
Once more with feeling DVD. isn't there a sung through commentary

1210
00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:23.940
as well?

1211
00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:25.800
Oh, God, I don't know.

1212
00:53:25.860 --> 00:53:29.039
It wouldn't be Alison Hannigan because she steadfastly.

1213
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:30.599
That's why she's got 2 lines.

1214
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:34.079
One of which is, I think this line is mostly filler.

1215
00:53:37.139 --> 00:53:39.780
Getting Valentine's Dial back is...

1216
00:53:39.780 --> 00:53:41.699
Singing always a good idea, isn't it?

1217
00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:44.400
I mean, I think the Black Guardians are kind of stupid.

1218
00:53:44.460 --> 00:53:50.760
And they are the thinnest possible motivation for season 16 to

1219
00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:51.000
happen.

1220
00:53:51.059 --> 00:53:53.519
Even William Shatner said that this week.

1221
00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:54.659
Yes.

1222
00:53:54.659 --> 00:53:55.920
Yeah, that was weird.

1223
00:53:55.980 --> 00:53:58.800
It felt like he'd read Wikipedia about Doctor Who.

1224
00:53:58.800 --> 00:53:59.820
He just spouted it off.

1225
00:53:59.880 --> 00:54:04.260
He said that Willie Parnell's a fantastic doctor..

1226
00:54:04.980 --> 00:54:07.260
And he's like, skip the key to time.

1227
00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:10.139
But when they switch Romana's just go with it. which one is it?

1228
00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:13.260
It's a bad shot.

1229
00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:14.340
No, no.

1230
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:15.599
Like, all of this stuff is very good.

1231
00:54:15.659 --> 00:54:16.679
I think this is healing.

1232
00:54:16.739 --> 00:54:17.579
And the music.

1233
00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:19.199
It is healing gorgeous.

1234
00:54:19.260 --> 00:54:20.639
Because you've got the flywise.

1235
00:54:20.699 --> 00:54:24.059
And I do love how in the in the reprise of the cliffhanger. we

1236
00:54:24.059 --> 00:54:24.360
just had.

1237
00:54:24.420 --> 00:54:28.019
Instead of the doctor shouting, no, we get Davidson's real emotion

1238
00:54:28.019 --> 00:54:30.059
which is shouting at Turlo, don't be an idiot.

1239
00:54:30.179 --> 00:54:34.079
It's like, Turlo, this is a minor inconvenience.

1240
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:41.639
But I mean, you know, the idea that Peter's the nice doctor is

1241
00:54:41.639 --> 00:54:42.659
absolutely wrong.

1242
00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:44.159
You know, he's not.

1243
00:54:44.219 --> 00:54:47.460
He's always impatient and grumpy and things.

1244
00:54:48.960 --> 00:54:54.239
Speaking of impatient and grumpy, the new season 19, Blu-ray

1245
00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:59.639
trailer, which was cut by Pip Madley, of course. has sort of front

1246
00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:02.099
and centre that wonderful line of shh, you're spoiling my

1247
00:55:02.099 --> 00:55:02.820
concentration.

1248
00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:05.579
Like he stops the music and everything.

1249
00:55:05.639 --> 00:55:07.380
It's the record scratch moment.

1250
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:11.340
There's there's special effects for Castra Valva.

1251
00:55:11.400 --> 00:55:11.820
Yes.

1252
00:55:11.820 --> 00:55:15.420
Are they new for the new optional speckled effects?

1253
00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:16.019
Right.

1254
00:55:16.019 --> 00:55:17.820
That's a little...

1255
00:55:17.820 --> 00:55:19.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1256
00:55:20.099 --> 00:55:23.639
Although they have cleaned up the fringing, because I remember the

1257
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:25.619
video version of this is worse.

1258
00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:26.880
It's very goodies this moment.

1259
00:55:26.940 --> 00:55:28.800
Very good.

1260
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:30.900
Here comes Kitten Kong.

1261
00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:42.420
It's such a great choice.

1262
00:55:42.480 --> 00:55:46.139
It wasn't just necessitated by the Kirby wire work, was it?

1263
00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:49.679
Like they went to Ealing so that they could shoot this on film so

1264
00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:51.300
that it looked like it was out.

1265
00:55:51.420 --> 00:55:54.539
Or that they happen to have a spare deck from Howard's way that

1266
00:55:54.539 --> 00:55:55.559
wasn't being used that week.

1267
00:55:55.619 --> 00:55:57.719
No, established that?

1268
00:55:57.719 --> 00:56:01.260
Isn't that how GNT did it, just in the same way that, yeah, yeah

1269
00:56:01.260 --> 00:56:04.559
yeah. that Russell did it, that, you know, I want, I want pigs in

1270
00:56:04.559 --> 00:56:07.619
spacesuits and chorus girls.

1271
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:09.840
So Barbara Clegg said, sure.

1272
00:56:09.900 --> 00:56:11.159
Brilliant.

1273
00:56:11.219 --> 00:56:14.519
Now we get new people, including Lee John, who is a person.

1274
00:56:14.579 --> 00:56:16.079
How many vows?

1275
00:56:16.139 --> 00:56:18.000
He has 3 E's.

1276
00:56:18.059 --> 00:56:19.679
He's all three.

1277
00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:21.179
Well it was the 80s and it was a party.

1278
00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:22.679
He still around?

1279
00:56:22.739 --> 00:56:24.300
I said I follow him on Twitter.

1280
00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:24.900
He still does things.

1281
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:27.179
All right.

1282
00:56:27.539 --> 00:56:29.400
The other baron.

1283
00:56:29.820 --> 00:56:34.320
You know, by the time I finally saw this in, I think, 1994.

1284
00:56:34.739 --> 00:56:38.400
I knew I liked boys, but Leo, Linda Baron.

1285
00:56:38.460 --> 00:56:39.840
Well, it's, yeah, all right.

1286
00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:43.679
Diana Dawes doing Adamance Prince Charming in a different wig

1287
00:56:43.679 --> 00:56:44.460
isn't it, really?

1288
00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:48.300
Oh, this got so much publicity.

1289
00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:51.780
Do you remember all the little fan mags or the TV week, all the

1290
00:56:51.780 --> 00:56:52.019
things?

1291
00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:56.219
Mind you, he does know how to work a pair of collots, doesn't he?

1292
00:56:56.280 --> 00:56:58.260
He is actually shockingly bad.

1293
00:56:58.320 --> 00:57:01.800
He is so canned, isn't he?

1294
00:57:01.860 --> 00:57:03.000
But it's not just that his camp.

1295
00:57:03.059 --> 00:57:06.840
I mean, we've had good actors playing camp. doing it now.

1296
00:57:07.139 --> 00:57:10.500
But he's like he's in a 90s video clip.

1297
00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:14.820
Yeah, I'd argue Christopher Robin or whatever that Stroker's real

1298
00:57:14.820 --> 00:57:16.019
name is exactly.

1299
00:57:16.019 --> 00:57:20.159
Exactly the sort.

1300
00:57:20.219 --> 00:57:21.900
Well, that's the thing.

1301
00:57:21.900 --> 00:57:24.539
I have no problem with Lee John's performance because he's playing

1302
00:57:24.539 --> 00:57:25.139
a pirate.

1303
00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:28.619
So he, but, you know, he's an alien playing a pirate.

1304
00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:32.400
So he's like, oh, I, um, you know, I've got this movie I can

1305
00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:32.699
watch.

1306
00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:33.480
What is it?

1307
00:57:33.539 --> 00:57:37.619
carry on up the rope or what was the carry on pirate movie?

1308
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:42.539
I'm not sure that argument ever really holds ballast for me, though

1309
00:57:42.539 --> 00:57:45.119
in because it's always got to be within context.

1310
00:57:45.179 --> 00:57:48.900
In context of everybody else's performances, but she's doing it

1311
00:57:48.900 --> 00:57:49.440
very nicely.

1312
00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:52.619
Now I'm showing you a really cold fridge with a dead fish in it.

1313
00:57:52.739 --> 00:57:56.400
And it's a metaphor for you having it off with me, so don't even

1314
00:57:56.400 --> 00:57:56.820
think about it.

1315
00:57:56.880 --> 00:57:58.440
You bum.

1316
00:57:59.460 --> 00:58:01.440
That's Australian.

1317
00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:06.840
I do think I do think there's a parallel here with this scene

1318
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:10.079
where she closes off her thoughts and the scene in Girl in the

1319
00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:13.380
Fireplace with a door once opened can be crossed in 2 directions.

1320
00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:19.380
Because in both, in both scenes, the sort of, um, long-lived

1321
00:58:19.380 --> 00:58:24.900
immortal character underestimates the mortal who then, who the

1322
00:58:24.900 --> 00:58:28.019
mortal female, who then goes, well, no, if you can do mind tricks

1323
00:58:28.019 --> 00:58:32.400
so could I. And what I love about Mariner there is he's like, oh

1324
00:58:32.400 --> 00:58:34.440
okay, if you're going to block me out, I'm going to stop

1325
00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:36.420
attempting to read you because this is new.

1326
00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:37.559
This is an amusement.

1327
00:58:37.619 --> 00:58:39.599
A lady has never done.

1328
00:58:39.659 --> 00:58:41.519
Well, a lady's never done anything to him before.

1329
00:58:42.659 --> 00:58:45.420
They're all dressed up in nowhere together.

1330
00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:55.440
Yes, you are.

1331
00:59:04.619 --> 00:59:10.380
So, All the ostensible threats in this. back to Linda Baron where

1332
00:59:10.380 --> 00:59:12.539
we get positive proper ruffled threats.

1333
00:59:14.159 --> 00:59:16.199
It's true, isn't it?

1334
00:59:16.260 --> 00:59:18.900
The boys are all went to Eton, so then, you know, but she actually

1335
00:59:18.900 --> 00:59:21.059
knows what it was that they were most afraid of and eaten.

1336
00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:22.199
Oh no, I thought that was a pencil.

1337
00:59:22.260 --> 00:59:23.340
It is a knife.

1338
00:59:23.400 --> 00:59:26.880
But she had to kudos to her for this performance because she's

1339
00:59:26.880 --> 00:59:27.780
only into episodes.

1340
00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:30.719
And yet it's the character I remember so well.

1341
00:59:30.780 --> 00:59:31.800
Oh, she's brilliant.

1342
00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:37.260
She's acting entirely with her lower jaw. doing everything.

1343
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:39.300
And a lot of Tim Curry work there as well.

1344
00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:46.320
Slab, yes, I've got one, actually.

1345
00:59:49.380 --> 00:59:52.019
Or shall I torture you with anticipate?

1346
00:59:55.199 --> 00:59:56.460
Poltitude.

1347
00:59:56.519 --> 00:59:56.940
Yeah.

1348
00:59:56.940 --> 00:59:59.940
I'll do it in the happiness patrol coming.

1349
01:00:03.239 --> 01:00:04.679
Oh.

1350
01:00:05.099 --> 01:00:09.119
I'd say, if I was the director, I'd keep the shot in him for as

1351
01:00:09.119 --> 01:00:10.980
long as I could just to make his eyes freeze.

1352
01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:14.219
You're right, he's hardly blinked at all.

1353
01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:15.059
No, he doesn't.

1354
01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:16.980
Do you remember he says that he was one of the tricks he did

1355
01:00:16.980 --> 01:00:19.139
deliberately to keep everyone's attention on him.

1356
01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:20.820
And Janet's always pointing it out.

1357
01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:23.400
He's always making sure he's looking over his shoulder so everyone

1358
01:00:23.400 --> 01:00:26.340
notices him when they're all anytime anyone's got their back to

1359
01:00:26.340 --> 01:00:26.760
the camera.

1360
01:00:26.820 --> 01:00:28.380
He's the one looking back at the camera.

1361
01:00:28.739 --> 01:00:34.019
Yeah, it's, because he's not on the commentary for a resurrection

1362
01:00:34.019 --> 01:00:36.000
of the Daleks, they rib him.

1363
01:00:36.119 --> 01:00:37.320
Oh, is that seriously about it?

1364
01:00:37.380 --> 01:00:40.920
Because when they find Stein, like the doctor and Tegan are

1365
01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:43.980
talking about him, talking to Stein in the background and Mark

1366
01:00:43.980 --> 01:00:46.380
said to the director, how about while they're doing that, I'm off

1367
01:00:46.380 --> 01:00:48.719
here, you know, looking around to see if anyone's coming.

1368
01:00:48.780 --> 01:00:50.460
And of course, he's in the bloody foreground of the shot.

1369
01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:52.559
Here we go.

1370
01:00:52.619 --> 01:00:53.880
Hear and address.

1371
01:00:54.840 --> 01:00:57.480
And I love the doctor's reaction.

1372
01:00:57.539 --> 01:00:57.960
Exactly.

1373
01:00:58.019 --> 01:00:59.219
You've come as Albert.

1374
01:00:59.460 --> 01:01:02.880
I've already told you not to do that, Sarah Jane.

1375
01:01:02.940 --> 01:01:05.639
I've been here 2 hours and that's what you come out with.

1376
01:01:10.019 --> 01:01:12.659
She does a great Eliza Doolittle.

1377
01:01:12.719 --> 01:01:17.099
And she does always look under under complete penury and stress

1378
01:01:17.099 --> 01:01:17.519
doesn't she?

1379
01:01:17.579 --> 01:01:19.500
She really does look like she's starving for anything.

1380
01:01:19.559 --> 01:01:21.599
If not more tension.

1381
01:01:21.659 --> 01:01:22.980
Oh, breakfast cereal.

1382
01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:25.679
Breakfast cereal.

1383
01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:32.219
Oh, look, she's brought her breasts with her period.

1384
01:01:32.280 --> 01:01:32.820
She has.

1385
01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:33.539
She has.

1386
01:01:33.599 --> 01:01:35.099
Just the one set now.

1387
01:01:36.539 --> 01:01:39.239
These new editions or are these original?

1388
01:01:39.300 --> 01:01:40.260
No, this is the original.

1389
01:01:40.380 --> 01:01:41.400
Okay, it's good to know.

1390
01:01:41.519 --> 01:01:45.659
Because the new edition version of this is a cut down 66 minute

1391
01:01:45.659 --> 01:01:47.639
wide screen remixed.

1392
01:01:47.760 --> 01:01:48.420
Why?

1393
01:01:48.420 --> 01:01:52.380
Because Peter Davidson said to Fiona coming on the commentary for

1394
01:01:52.380 --> 01:01:54.659
Castro Valver, wouldn't it be wonderful if we could cut some of

1395
01:01:54.659 --> 01:01:56.519
our old stories like the new series?

1396
01:01:56.579 --> 01:01:57.900
Oh, look, chest hair.

1397
01:01:57.900 --> 01:01:58.800
Turns out, no.

1398
01:01:58.860 --> 01:02:00.960
He just meant he just meant cut Jenna out.

1399
01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:01.320
Yeah.

1400
01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:05.940
No, I've been admiring Lee John's chest hair.

1401
01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:12.119
Yeah, Lee and Janet were actually having a bit as to who could

1402
01:02:12.119 --> 01:02:14.219
show more chest in this story.

1403
01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:18.420
I love the way her tiara has a perfectly sized hole in it for the

1404
01:02:18.420 --> 01:02:19.980
crystal.

1405
01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:23.340
Chekhov's tiara.

1406
01:02:23.460 --> 01:02:25.380
Oh, this is our favourite room.

1407
01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:28.139
And now we've got the on-off vacuum shield.

1408
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:29.760
This, isn't it?

1409
01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:33.539
Look, it's really bloody important that I know what's going to go

1410
01:02:33.539 --> 01:02:34.139
on in here.

1411
01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:37.199
When I used to go into that convenience store, Turlo, I had no

1412
01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:37.500
idea.

1413
01:02:37.679 --> 01:02:43.079
I think it looks like the planet Solos, like...

1414
01:02:43.139 --> 01:02:45.300
Well, yes, or even Trouton-esque technology.

1415
01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:47.460
It's feeling very power of the, isn't it?

1416
01:02:47.519 --> 01:02:48.719
There he goes.

1417
01:02:48.780 --> 01:02:49.860
Oh, no, she's bumpable.

1418
01:02:49.920 --> 01:02:50.940
She said he was actually...

1419
01:02:50.940 --> 01:02:52.559
Or perspective.

1420
01:02:52.619 --> 01:02:54.719
Yes, I was going to say, well, you know, your sticks are rubbing.

1421
01:02:54.780 --> 01:02:56.400
Mechanical buzzing.

1422
01:02:56.460 --> 01:02:56.880
Sorry.

1423
01:02:57.480 --> 01:02:59.219
Just being filthy.

1424
01:02:59.280 --> 01:03:01.380
Fumbling magic.

1425
01:03:07.500 --> 01:03:09.300
Same explosion.

1426
01:03:09.360 --> 01:03:10.679
Oh, was it?

1427
01:03:10.739 --> 01:03:12.300
Like space 1999, yes.

1428
01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:18.059
So that's finished in the loo.

1429
01:03:18.719 --> 01:03:27.599
I wouldn't go in there for a while. perfect sense now.

1430
01:03:27.659 --> 01:03:29.880
Squat over this big eye.

1431
01:03:33.239 --> 01:03:35.639
Those weren't asteroids.

1432
01:03:41.219 --> 01:03:44.039
Still a black is a license.

1433
01:03:44.039 --> 01:03:47.820
That's what I do.

1434
01:03:47.820 --> 01:03:48.780
Bondfinger Tom.

1435
01:03:48.840 --> 01:03:51.300
Todd, I don't know why you keep bringing up still a black, you

1436
01:03:51.300 --> 01:03:51.480
know.

1437
01:03:51.539 --> 01:03:54.659
It's completely untoward. would never do that.

1438
01:03:55.079 --> 01:03:56.579
Just saying.

1439
01:03:59.940 --> 01:04:01.800
Some other gentlemen?

1440
01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:05.280
It feels like a future crew call for Doctor Who, doesn't it?

1441
01:04:05.340 --> 01:04:06.719
It's for to doomsday.

1442
01:04:06.780 --> 01:04:07.920
It does.

1443
01:04:08.460 --> 01:04:11.340
I am lord of the salad bar.

1444
01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:18.179
I am Willy Wonka.

1445
01:04:18.239 --> 01:04:19.559
Right behind you.

1446
01:04:19.619 --> 01:04:21.659
I think that chest hair is not real.

1447
01:04:21.719 --> 01:04:23.639
I can see spirit gum in there.

1448
01:04:23.820 --> 01:04:26.760
He'd be really good in community theatre, I think.

1449
01:04:26.820 --> 01:04:28.440
Doing it.

1450
01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:29.760
As a tree.

1451
01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:34.739
His eyes, he's acting completely with his eyes.

1452
01:04:40.800 --> 01:04:44.219
Oh, yeah, I do love a story that gives good frock.

1453
01:04:44.280 --> 01:04:45.059
Yeah.

1454
01:04:45.119 --> 01:04:47.039
And that's just the men.

1455
01:04:48.480 --> 01:04:50.519
I'm scared, doctor.

1456
01:04:50.579 --> 01:04:53.039
That's why I got dressed up specifically to come here.

1457
01:04:53.400 --> 01:04:56.219
Although it is one of her best scenes, yeah.

1458
01:04:56.519 --> 01:04:58.619
They're all in drag.

1459
01:04:58.679 --> 01:04:59.880
I think so.

1460
01:04:59.940 --> 01:05:01.980
So these are all eternals, aren't they?

1461
01:05:02.039 --> 01:05:03.420
Yeah, there's Martin Chuzzlewit.

1462
01:05:03.480 --> 01:05:04.739
Where's Martin Chuzzle?

1463
01:05:04.800 --> 01:05:08.099
So the Eternals are diverse, despite their, you know, English

1464
01:05:08.099 --> 01:05:09.659
upper class, kind of.

1465
01:05:09.659 --> 01:05:12.239
Look at the next doctor in the background.

1466
01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:14.639
Just thinking, yes.

1467
01:05:16.260 --> 01:05:19.679
Actually, I would have loved for Colin to have that costume.

1468
01:05:19.739 --> 01:05:21.659
I think Colin would have loved for Colin to have that costume.

1469
01:05:22.380 --> 01:05:25.199
Would...

1470
01:05:25.199 --> 01:05:26.099
Alcohol and beer, yeah.

1471
01:05:26.159 --> 01:05:29.579
I love how you've changed between each episode.

1472
01:05:30.659 --> 01:05:32.699
The ducks in the bin.

1473
01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:38.159
No, see, Tegan will take any opportunity.

1474
01:05:38.219 --> 01:05:39.300
What a large...

1475
01:05:39.300 --> 01:05:45.599
Whereas, I think except for the drink in Castra Valver, Davison

1476
01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:48.300
always finds a way to get rid of alcohol just quietly.

1477
01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:51.780
Like in the 1st episode of this, he hands his glass over to the

1478
01:05:51.780 --> 01:05:53.039
officer who loses his.

1479
01:05:53.099 --> 01:05:55.980
He orders lemonade and black orchid.

1480
01:05:56.039 --> 01:05:58.619
And yeah, he's not going to have a sip of that either, whereas

1481
01:05:58.619 --> 01:05:59.340
Pertwee.

1482
01:06:01.679 --> 01:06:03.840
Cheeky and sardonic.

1483
01:06:03.900 --> 01:06:05.280
Mate, the cheese table.

1484
01:06:05.340 --> 01:06:08.400
Did you say you have a wine cellar?

1485
01:06:08.460 --> 01:06:10.380
Yeah, I think your house might be haunted, maybe?

1486
01:06:10.440 --> 01:06:12.719
We'll have stay the night.

1487
01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:13.920
Yeah, maybe get out for a bit.

1488
01:06:13.980 --> 01:06:15.239
Make it a week.

1489
01:06:15.300 --> 01:06:15.780
Yeah.

1490
01:06:16.019 --> 01:06:18.719
And he takes away Tegan's drink here.

1491
01:06:18.780 --> 01:06:21.059
Perfect weather for a peace conference.

1492
01:06:21.119 --> 01:06:24.300
I was just saying to Tubby the only...

1493
01:06:26.039 --> 01:06:30.360
You know, oh, shit, well, I think we know who's got the title of

1494
01:06:30.360 --> 01:06:31.679
racking.

1495
01:06:34.079 --> 01:06:37.199
As she grasps for the talent, yeah.

1496
01:06:37.260 --> 01:06:38.699
Oh, no.

1497
01:06:38.699 --> 01:06:41.099
She finds a bit on putting.

1498
01:06:41.880 --> 01:06:43.559
Oh, okay.

1499
01:06:43.619 --> 01:06:44.880
Can't you throw it out?

1500
01:06:44.940 --> 01:06:46.019
What if someone eats that later?

1501
01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:47.099
It's been like everywhere.

1502
01:06:47.280 --> 01:06:50.340
He's entirely made of Velcro.

1503
01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:53.699
What if they mistake it for a sword and use a fire?

1504
01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:55.320
Yeah, and just sticks on so easily too.

1505
01:06:55.440 --> 01:06:57.480
Self adhesive.

1506
01:06:57.539 --> 01:06:58.679
Is it Velcro?

1507
01:06:58.679 --> 01:07:02.579
Or did they did June Hudson go out and just buy a new bunch every

1508
01:07:02.579 --> 01:07:03.360
every month?

1509
01:07:04.619 --> 01:07:07.260
He told us when he was here in 83.

1510
01:07:07.380 --> 01:07:08.039
It was felt.

1511
01:07:08.099 --> 01:07:09.059
Yeah, felt.

1512
01:07:09.119 --> 01:07:10.559
Fuzzy felt.

1513
01:07:10.619 --> 01:07:14.099
I did bump into Peter Davidson and Mark Spencer about a year ago.

1514
01:07:14.159 --> 01:07:15.119
He was wearing it, wasn't he?

1515
01:07:15.179 --> 01:07:15.719
No, he wasn't.

1516
01:07:15.780 --> 01:07:16.440
He was wearing the hat.

1517
01:07:16.860 --> 01:07:20.639
I was trying to find that celery and I ran out of time before the

1518
01:07:20.639 --> 01:07:21.059
checkout.

1519
01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:23.579
Next time, next time.

1520
01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:25.980
Did you buttonhole him?

1521
01:07:26.039 --> 01:07:27.179
I'm going here.

1522
01:07:29.400 --> 01:07:33.360
Now, I have a feeling that shot is wrong because the door opens.

1523
01:07:33.420 --> 01:07:35.280
It's meant it's meant to close.

1524
01:07:35.460 --> 01:07:38.099
But it is still open there, so maybe I'm wrong.

1525
01:07:38.159 --> 01:07:39.119
Still a bit whiffy.

1526
01:07:42.179 --> 01:07:44.099
In the book, it's not a hole at all.

1527
01:07:44.159 --> 01:07:46.800
It's just a grid because it's very silly.

1528
01:07:46.860 --> 01:07:48.960
That design reminds me of...

1529
01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:52.380
Yeah, or greatest show in the galaxy.

1530
01:07:52.440 --> 01:07:53.159
Oh, yeah.

1531
01:07:53.159 --> 01:07:53.460
Yeah.

1532
01:07:53.519 --> 01:07:54.719
Blue eye.

1533
01:07:54.719 --> 01:07:59.219
This, um, when I was a kid, this was the scene that made me think

1534
01:07:59.219 --> 01:08:02.219
Mariner would be a really good companion, because he's got these

1535
01:08:02.219 --> 01:08:05.820
he's got these abilities, like he's got sort of NISA psychic

1536
01:08:05.820 --> 01:08:08.219
abilities, but they actually introduced them and explained them.

1537
01:08:08.219 --> 01:08:10.199
Acting eyebrows.

1538
01:08:10.260 --> 01:08:11.340
That is spot on.

1539
01:08:11.400 --> 01:08:12.239
That is really good.

1540
01:08:12.300 --> 01:08:14.400
I'm just imagining him now as a companion.

1541
01:08:14.460 --> 01:08:17.699
I think it's brilliant He knows all about telebiogenesis. knows

1542
01:08:17.699 --> 01:08:18.119
about everything.

1543
01:08:18.180 --> 01:08:18.659
Yeah, yeah.

1544
01:08:18.720 --> 01:08:22.439
Great. the Diana Troy all the time, not a total fake.

1545
01:08:22.500 --> 01:08:24.119
I feel its pain and suffering.

1546
01:08:24.180 --> 01:08:26.640
Oh, and now.

1547
01:08:28.020 --> 01:08:29.760
Lush.

1548
01:08:34.680 --> 01:08:36.600
I want that sign.

1549
01:08:36.659 --> 01:08:38.640
Graham, Graham, let me out.

1550
01:08:38.699 --> 01:08:39.899
Tim, Tim, where are you?

1551
01:08:39.960 --> 01:08:41.579
It's very goodies.

1552
01:08:41.640 --> 01:08:43.859
You're our 1000000th customer.

1553
01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:47.279
I've never won anything before.

1554
01:08:47.340 --> 01:08:48.779
Well, you're about to win big.

1555
01:08:48.840 --> 01:08:50.699
Except ginger hair dye.

1556
01:08:50.760 --> 01:08:52.920
But crystals are going to help you now.

1557
01:08:54.659 --> 01:08:56.520
Or threats.

1558
01:08:56.579 --> 01:08:58.079
Oh, I warned you again.

1559
01:08:58.140 --> 01:09:00.539
This time you'll really die.

1560
01:09:01.260 --> 01:09:03.000
I mean it.

1561
01:09:03.060 --> 01:09:03.899
I mean it.

1562
01:09:03.960 --> 01:09:05.579
I'm speaking to your house master.

1563
01:09:05.640 --> 01:09:09.300
I'm even going to walk away before I'm sure you're dead.

1564
01:09:12.479 --> 01:09:16.020
It comes with a villain license. you know, certain protocols.

1565
01:09:16.079 --> 01:09:18.119
Oh, look, he's doing that thing.

1566
01:09:18.180 --> 01:09:22.319
Yeah, that thing with the coin thing that was actually Lala

1567
01:09:22.319 --> 01:09:24.119
and...

1568
01:09:24.180 --> 01:09:24.539
Yeah.

1569
01:09:24.659 --> 01:09:26.039
Yeah.

1570
01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:29.460
Ignore the distinct conversation. ignore the ignore the corn

1571
01:09:29.460 --> 01:09:29.880
choice.

1572
01:09:29.939 --> 01:09:30.479
Take a drink.

1573
01:09:33.539 --> 01:09:34.920
Look at him, I missed him.

1574
01:09:34.979 --> 01:09:35.520
Heres me rack.

1575
01:09:35.579 --> 01:09:37.140
Where you going, come my way.

1576
01:09:40.199 --> 01:09:41.520
Salad?

1577
01:09:42.359 --> 01:09:44.520
Not right in front of it.

1578
01:09:52.319 --> 01:09:54.539
Uh, title, right?

1579
01:09:54.539 --> 01:09:56.460
Yeah, I was gonna say in front of the commentary.

1580
01:09:57.180 --> 01:10:00.180
I was going to say, I know it breaks with tradition, but we should

1581
01:10:00.180 --> 01:10:01.920
just call this episode Salad?

1582
01:10:04.979 --> 01:10:06.779
That's terrible.

1583
01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:09.479
Look at his bar. bum shot.

1584
01:10:09.539 --> 01:10:10.199
Look at that bum.

1585
01:10:10.260 --> 01:10:10.800
Woohoo.

1586
01:10:10.859 --> 01:10:11.640
Any excuse?

1587
01:10:11.699 --> 01:10:14.159
I know, but those are very tight trousers.

1588
01:10:14.220 --> 01:10:17.880
I'm sure that they would have violated the uniform code.

1589
01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:19.199
You could say unicorn.

1590
01:10:19.260 --> 01:10:20.279
Unicorn.

1591
01:10:20.279 --> 01:10:23.279
They could have violated a unicorn too, if you...

1592
01:10:23.279 --> 01:10:25.079
Turlo, you can't wear those trousers.

1593
01:10:25.140 --> 01:10:26.039
You'll distract the boys.

1594
01:10:27.359 --> 01:10:33.180
Now, so the air is very, very, very, very slowly and not at all

1595
01:10:33.180 --> 01:10:36.060
explosively, quite kind of draining from the room.

1596
01:10:36.119 --> 01:10:36.899
Is that what's happening?

1597
01:10:36.960 --> 01:10:37.380
Yes.

1598
01:10:37.500 --> 01:10:40.680
While Peter walks very slowly around the ship waiting, you know

1599
01:10:40.680 --> 01:10:41.340
trying to find him.

1600
01:10:41.579 --> 01:10:45.060
And now it's Battle of the Brests. round two.

1601
01:10:48.180 --> 01:10:49.739
Round four I think.

1602
01:10:49.859 --> 01:10:53.699
And hair and earrings and necklace.

1603
01:10:53.760 --> 01:10:57.359
And and Janet wobbling incredibly while frozen in time.

1604
01:10:58.619 --> 01:11:00.239
Oh, yeah.

1605
01:11:00.300 --> 01:11:00.779
Oh, yeah.

1606
01:11:01.859 --> 01:11:04.800
She snore is invading rack.

1607
01:11:05.819 --> 01:11:07.800
Spinning around.

1608
01:11:08.520 --> 01:11:11.159
Now is that German expressionism there?

1609
01:11:11.220 --> 01:11:12.479
No, certainly not.

1610
01:11:12.539 --> 01:11:13.619
Is it really spinning around?

1611
01:11:13.680 --> 01:11:14.579
is it?

1612
01:11:17.640 --> 01:11:21.840
Cornell Day and topping, um, speculate that it's the effects of

1613
01:11:21.840 --> 01:11:23.159
asphyxiation.

1614
01:11:23.220 --> 01:11:24.000
That's what I was thinking.

1615
01:11:24.060 --> 01:11:26.699
Yeah, it was like what he's feeling.

1616
01:11:27.060 --> 01:11:30.960
Where are they picking their tech from or from whom?

1617
01:11:30.960 --> 01:11:33.899
If they can choose...

1618
01:11:33.960 --> 01:11:40.920
All of time and space, but only really BBC storage from 1965 to 74

1619
01:11:41.039 --> 01:11:43.319
yeah How many times does he say help me?

1620
01:11:43.380 --> 01:11:45.720
It's really slow, isn't it?

1621
01:11:45.779 --> 01:11:46.380
Look at that wall.

1622
01:11:46.439 --> 01:11:47.399
Look at that, actually.

1623
01:11:48.000 --> 01:11:48.420
Yeah, yeah.

1624
01:11:48.479 --> 01:11:50.340
They've nicked the wall from the Williams era.

1625
01:11:50.399 --> 01:11:51.239
Yeah.

1626
01:11:51.239 --> 01:11:54.899
You can tell because it's got all the fag ends stumped out.

1627
01:11:56.220 --> 01:11:59.819
Speaking of faggins, this is your end, fag.

1628
01:11:59.880 --> 01:12:01.560
Why are you overacting so?

1629
01:12:01.619 --> 01:12:03.000
I think you're right.

1630
01:12:03.060 --> 01:12:03.659
It is cloth.

1631
01:12:03.720 --> 01:12:04.859
I mean, you can see in that shop.

1632
01:12:04.920 --> 01:12:06.720
I research it, you fool.

1633
01:12:08.460 --> 01:12:13.020
Yeah, Davis was slightly accent scene like, I opened the bloody

1634
01:12:13.020 --> 01:12:13.319
door.

1635
01:12:13.800 --> 01:12:19.439
There is really no great empathy here between the doctor and Turlo

1636
01:12:19.439 --> 01:12:21.180
and you could say there never has been.

1637
01:12:21.239 --> 01:12:25.319
The doctor works on protocols in this in this period, doesn't he?

1638
01:12:25.380 --> 01:12:27.899
I think he's more like an eternal than he is one of the kids.

1639
01:12:27.960 --> 01:12:29.760
No, I agree with you there.

1640
01:12:29.819 --> 01:12:33.659
There's very little affection from Pete's doctor, I think.

1641
01:12:33.720 --> 01:12:38.460
He kind of, you know, Davison likes to kind of touch Sarah.

1642
01:12:38.760 --> 01:12:40.380
Possibly can, John.

1643
01:12:40.439 --> 01:12:41.640
Oh, there you go.

1644
01:12:42.180 --> 01:12:44.460
Like right on Turlo's bum.

1645
01:12:44.520 --> 01:12:46.319
Eye of horse.

1646
01:12:46.380 --> 01:12:50.579
I like the way he never kind of calls Turlow on the on the

1647
01:12:50.579 --> 01:12:51.180
deception bit.

1648
01:12:51.239 --> 01:12:55.079
He just tries to be the most positive, the most, you know, to help

1649
01:12:55.079 --> 01:12:57.840
him in every situation and that he'll come around.

1650
01:12:57.899 --> 01:13:02.039
I think we talk about it in our episode that it's done kind of

1651
01:13:02.039 --> 01:13:03.359
subtly, isn't it?

1652
01:13:03.420 --> 01:13:07.319
That, that, you know, and there's no kind of recriminations or any

1653
01:13:07.319 --> 01:13:08.279
nonsense about it.

1654
01:13:08.340 --> 01:13:11.159
I mean, the show isn't the kind of thing that has sort of running

1655
01:13:11.159 --> 01:13:12.659
emotional arcs anyway.

1656
01:13:12.720 --> 01:13:16.560
But it is kind of refreshing not to have it really brought up

1657
01:13:16.560 --> 01:13:16.920
again.

1658
01:13:16.979 --> 01:13:19.800
I mean he still gets to be cowardly and kind of annoying and

1659
01:13:19.800 --> 01:13:20.039
stuff.

1660
01:13:21.539 --> 01:13:24.539
That's such a, that looks terrible.

1661
01:13:24.779 --> 01:13:27.119
Yeah, so bad, isn't it?

1662
01:13:27.180 --> 01:13:29.100
Has the money run out?

1663
01:13:29.159 --> 01:13:29.640
that it?

1664
01:13:29.699 --> 01:13:32.100
We are getting towards the end of the season.

1665
01:13:32.340 --> 01:13:34.380
They spend all of the money on.

1666
01:13:34.439 --> 01:13:36.659
Amsterdam.

1667
01:13:39.720 --> 01:13:41.819
But weren't they supposed they were supposed to have the Dalek

1668
01:13:41.819 --> 01:13:42.720
story that got canned?

1669
01:13:42.779 --> 01:13:43.500
Oh yeah, that's true.

1670
01:13:43.560 --> 01:13:45.000
So they would have had to have money somewhere.

1671
01:13:45.060 --> 01:13:45.659
Yeah.

1672
01:13:45.659 --> 01:13:46.439
Yeah.

1673
01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:53.220
I think also, um, the last 3 stories of the season were compressed

1674
01:13:53.220 --> 01:13:56.039
in terms of production time because of the various strikes, and

1675
01:13:56.039 --> 01:13:57.899
it's why Terminus wasn't finished properly.

1676
01:13:57.960 --> 01:14:02.399
So I do wonder if that also affected the labour of building sets

1677
01:14:02.399 --> 01:14:03.060
and whatnot.

1678
01:14:03.300 --> 01:14:05.819
I mean, do we know who the designer was?

1679
01:14:05.880 --> 01:14:08.880
Is it someone who's very good at period stuff and like incredibly

1680
01:14:08.880 --> 01:14:11.340
crappy at space corridors?

1681
01:14:11.399 --> 01:14:12.899
I don't know.

1682
01:14:12.960 --> 01:14:13.920
I think this is his only story.

1683
01:14:13.979 --> 01:14:14.760
Okay.

1684
01:14:14.819 --> 01:14:15.420
So yes.

1685
01:14:15.479 --> 01:14:16.079
Yes.

1686
01:14:16.680 --> 01:14:20.340
Let's just hang around in this room that's clearly dangerous and

1687
01:14:20.340 --> 01:14:23.039
open to space and hope no one outside pulls the lever again.

1688
01:14:26.100 --> 01:14:27.779
That won't happen, Colin.

1689
01:14:27.779 --> 01:14:30.539
I've seen it before. of the room.

1690
01:14:36.600 --> 01:14:37.800
No, no.

1691
01:14:37.859 --> 01:14:38.579
Franklin.

1692
01:14:41.640 --> 01:14:43.500
Tried to brain me with a rock?

1693
01:14:46.560 --> 01:14:47.460
Not through this year.

1694
01:14:56.520 --> 01:14:57.720
Now, why did they want?

1695
01:14:57.720 --> 01:15:04.920
Yeah, the visitation. love.

1696
01:15:04.979 --> 01:15:07.319
And then someone comes in and goes, stop.

1697
01:15:07.380 --> 01:15:09.960
No, and visitation, remember?

1698
01:15:10.020 --> 01:15:11.640
Even says, oh, no, not again.

1699
01:15:11.699 --> 01:15:14.159
They should go, oh, full Tim.

1700
01:15:14.220 --> 01:15:16.140
Oh no, this is what we want for the cliffhanger.

1701
01:15:17.100 --> 01:15:19.979
That's great. on.

1702
01:15:20.039 --> 01:15:24.000
That is a much better cliffhanger than Pete gets threatened by a

1703
01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:26.399
sword again.

1704
01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:29.939
But he will live to regret it.

1705
01:15:31.500 --> 01:15:34.020
Sorry, I was a bit too butch there.

1706
01:15:40.079 --> 01:15:42.180
It does rattle along this one.

1707
01:15:43.680 --> 01:15:45.720
I never get tired of it.

1708
01:15:45.779 --> 01:15:46.920
I can watch it all the time.

1709
01:15:46.979 --> 01:15:47.340
I love it.

1710
01:15:47.399 --> 01:15:49.920
Oh yeah, Liege.

1711
01:15:51.300 --> 01:15:52.920
Still alive?

1712
01:15:52.979 --> 01:15:54.239
Is he still alive?

1713
01:15:54.300 --> 01:15:54.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1714
01:15:54.899 --> 01:15:55.979
Like I said, I'm following him on Twitter.

1715
01:15:56.039 --> 01:15:56.880
Really?

1716
01:15:56.880 --> 01:15:57.840
He still sort of performs.

1717
01:15:57.840 --> 01:15:59.340
The only thing he talks about is this.

1718
01:15:59.399 --> 01:16:00.600
We should at him on the.

1719
01:16:00.600 --> 01:16:03.899
How old is he?

1720
01:16:03.960 --> 01:16:05.819
Mate, can you retweet this without listening?

1721
01:16:05.880 --> 01:16:06.300
Sorry.

1722
01:16:06.359 --> 01:16:09.119
It's 40,000 years.

1723
01:16:09.180 --> 01:16:10.199
He is old.

1724
01:16:10.260 --> 01:16:11.699
He's got a shaved head and stuff.

1725
01:16:11.760 --> 01:16:15.359
He looks, so, you know, he doesn't look gray.

1726
01:16:15.420 --> 01:16:16.979
No, no, I mean, he doesn't look great.

1727
01:16:17.039 --> 01:16:17.760
You know what I mean?

1728
01:16:17.819 --> 01:16:19.500
He just looks kind of older.

1729
01:16:19.560 --> 01:16:23.640
And then he still wears sort of ludicrously camp outfits and

1730
01:16:23.640 --> 01:16:23.880
stuff.

1731
01:16:23.939 --> 01:16:25.739
He's, you know, he's reasonable value.

1732
01:16:25.979 --> 01:16:28.020
I think he's about 60.

1733
01:16:28.199 --> 01:16:30.000
Yeah, that sounds right somewhere.

1734
01:16:30.060 --> 01:16:32.159
Does he do panto?

1735
01:16:32.279 --> 01:16:34.079
doing it now.

1736
01:16:37.140 --> 01:16:38.640
Well, here we go.

1737
01:16:38.699 --> 01:16:40.140
We're now in, what, part four?

1738
01:16:40.199 --> 01:16:41.579
He's 61.

1739
01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:42.779
Okay.

1740
01:16:42.779 --> 01:16:44.220
It's reasonable.

1741
01:16:47.279 --> 01:16:49.680
He's black, so they're like Yoda.

1742
01:16:49.739 --> 01:16:51.899
They just, or, you know, they just stay looking really, really

1743
01:16:51.899 --> 01:16:54.720
good and then they turn into Yoda, but by the time they get to

1744
01:16:54.720 --> 01:16:55.020
80.

1745
01:16:55.260 --> 01:16:56.399
They do.

1746
01:16:56.460 --> 01:17:00.659
They're completely ageless. ageless and deathless.

1747
01:17:00.720 --> 01:17:01.439
Oh God.

1748
01:17:01.500 --> 01:17:02.340
That's true.

1749
01:17:02.399 --> 01:17:03.960
All old singers.

1750
01:17:04.020 --> 01:17:06.359
It's like something, we're told you, we're talking. always knows

1751
01:17:06.359 --> 01:17:07.020
what gain.

1752
01:17:07.079 --> 01:17:08.399
Just at mentioned Richard.

1753
01:17:08.699 --> 01:17:10.680
Mentioned by Richard.

1754
01:17:13.739 --> 01:17:15.899
We're getting a lot out of this door, aren't we?

1755
01:17:17.640 --> 01:17:19.140
Door.

1756
01:17:22.020 --> 01:17:25.319
It does look quite uncomfortable in that shot, doesn't he?

1757
01:17:25.380 --> 01:17:26.819
Usually does, yeah.

1758
01:17:26.880 --> 01:17:29.760
Well, that's why that's why he cuts his hair so short immediately

1759
01:17:29.760 --> 01:17:32.220
after this, it's become, oh, people can grab this.

1760
01:17:32.279 --> 01:17:33.239
No, this is terrible.

1761
01:17:33.720 --> 01:17:35.699
That really hurt.

1762
01:17:35.760 --> 01:17:37.260
That really hurt.

1763
01:17:37.319 --> 01:17:40.439
Sorry, dear listener, I forgot I wasn't holding a microphone.

1764
01:17:40.500 --> 01:17:41.640
He went back.

1765
01:17:41.640 --> 01:17:42.659
I like how they recount that.

1766
01:17:42.720 --> 01:17:43.920
She doesn't do the evil.

1767
01:17:43.979 --> 01:17:45.659
No, no, it's disappointing, isn't it?

1768
01:17:45.720 --> 01:17:46.979
He went back to doing all creatures.

1769
01:17:47.039 --> 01:17:48.180
That's why he had his hair cut.

1770
01:17:48.300 --> 01:17:51.600
Yeah, yeah, Back for 5 doctors, he's got short hair.

1771
01:17:51.659 --> 01:17:52.140
Yeah.

1772
01:17:53.880 --> 01:17:56.100
The hair of an idiot.

1773
01:17:56.159 --> 01:17:59.159
Isn't it the Moffat line about the doctor?

1774
01:17:59.220 --> 01:17:59.819
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1775
01:17:59.880 --> 01:18:01.199
How do you recognise the doctor?

1776
01:18:01.260 --> 01:18:02.460
He's got hair of an idiot.

1777
01:18:02.579 --> 01:18:05.819
That's great Oh, I thought you were talking about Tegan.

1778
01:18:05.819 --> 01:18:07.380
And a pleasant open face.

1779
01:18:11.399 --> 01:18:13.500
He's clutching it.

1780
01:18:13.560 --> 01:18:15.000
Hang on, I don't feel...

1781
01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:16.739
Feel impugned.

1782
01:18:20.939 --> 01:18:23.279
And I've come as a sofa.

1783
01:18:23.340 --> 01:18:24.479
What have you come as, dear?

1784
01:18:25.079 --> 01:18:28.020
They have fun, don't they, the eternal?

1785
01:18:31.260 --> 01:18:35.880
I've come as Ron Moody in a scrotty old carry-on sketch, how about

1786
01:18:35.880 --> 01:18:36.300
you?

1787
01:18:36.359 --> 01:18:37.739
Well, I've come as an egg.

1788
01:18:42.239 --> 01:18:45.960
You can't see me because all my lines are getting squashed by that

1789
01:18:45.960 --> 01:18:46.560
bastard.

1790
01:18:46.619 --> 01:18:48.420
No here I am.

1791
01:18:48.600 --> 01:18:50.340
And the background.

1792
01:18:50.399 --> 01:18:52.079
No, I'm fascinated by that guy.

1793
01:18:52.140 --> 01:18:55.739
He's clearly got a thing on so that he's bald wig doesn't have to

1794
01:18:55.739 --> 01:18:56.880
make hours to apply.

1795
01:18:56.939 --> 01:18:59.460
That's right, come as the me con from darn dear.

1796
01:18:59.520 --> 01:18:59.760
What?

1797
01:18:59.819 --> 01:19:00.359
No, I have.

1798
01:19:00.420 --> 01:19:02.159
You give, I am empty.

1799
01:19:02.220 --> 01:19:03.239
You give me being...

1800
01:19:03.239 --> 01:19:06.659
That's just everything's a double entendre on this show, isn't

1801
01:19:06.659 --> 01:19:06.779
it?

1802
01:19:07.920 --> 01:19:09.899
Carry on doctoring.

1803
01:19:09.960 --> 01:19:10.560
Yeah.

1804
01:19:10.619 --> 01:19:12.479
It is the closest this season.

1805
01:19:13.619 --> 01:19:17.100
But she's pretty unsurpassable in this, isn't she?

1806
01:19:17.159 --> 01:19:19.800
She's doing naturalistic on top of everybody else's.

1807
01:19:19.979 --> 01:19:20.760
What is love?

1808
01:19:20.939 --> 01:19:25.920
It is, it is a really, uh, you know, her trajectory where she does

1809
01:19:25.920 --> 01:19:29.520
start with the most appalling children's show acting, like in her

1810
01:19:29.520 --> 01:19:29.760
book.

1811
01:19:29.819 --> 01:19:30.720
She really did.

1812
01:19:30.779 --> 01:19:31.380
It hurt.

1813
01:19:31.439 --> 01:19:35.399
It's clearly not, it was clearly just her decision to pitch it

1814
01:19:35.399 --> 01:19:37.920
that that must have been what she thought Doctor Who was.

1815
01:19:37.979 --> 01:19:39.899
So Jackie Lane continued.

1816
01:19:39.960 --> 01:19:41.520
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

1817
01:19:41.579 --> 01:19:45.479
But then she decides to just do some proper acting. later and I

1818
01:19:45.479 --> 01:19:46.199
think she's great.

1819
01:19:46.260 --> 01:19:49.380
You know, she's an unsung hero of 80s.

1820
01:19:49.439 --> 01:19:50.340
It was spending time.

1821
01:19:50.399 --> 01:19:52.560
It might have been Sarah Sutton said, giving her, you know, a

1822
01:19:52.560 --> 01:19:55.439
really chunky VHS of the moon stallion, saying, look, I could do

1823
01:19:55.439 --> 01:19:56.699
this before I was your age.

1824
01:19:56.760 --> 01:19:58.020
You might have a look at this, you know.

1825
01:19:58.079 --> 01:20:00.239
This is how you do it, love.

1826
01:20:00.300 --> 01:20:00.960
I have it.

1827
01:20:01.020 --> 01:20:02.159
When are we doing the moon style?

1828
01:20:02.220 --> 01:20:03.180
I love them.

1829
01:20:03.239 --> 01:20:04.199
Oh, are we doing it now?

1830
01:20:04.260 --> 01:20:04.979
my favourite thing.

1831
01:20:05.039 --> 01:20:06.119
We can do it afterwards.

1832
01:20:06.180 --> 01:20:10.560
Dave Davidson's also doing, I mean, the recessive acting, and

1833
01:20:10.560 --> 01:20:13.260
maybe that's why he's kind of getting lost, because maybe that's

1834
01:20:13.260 --> 01:20:14.579
why I'm feeling he's like an eternal.

1835
01:20:14.640 --> 01:20:17.760
But no, I think this doctor is, and maybe that's why it's one of

1836
01:20:17.760 --> 01:20:18.720
his strongest stories.

1837
01:20:18.779 --> 01:20:19.560
Another reason.

1838
01:20:19.619 --> 01:20:21.420
He's much closer to the coolness.

1839
01:20:22.260 --> 01:20:26.039
I think, I mean, I've said before, I think he's a proper actor.

1840
01:20:26.100 --> 01:20:28.500
You know, I think he's one of the best actors to ever take the

1841
01:20:28.500 --> 01:20:31.859
role and certainly in the classic series, there's nothing, you

1842
01:20:31.859 --> 01:20:33.119
know, he just...

1843
01:20:33.119 --> 01:20:34.380
Oh, we'll have a snort of that, love.

1844
01:20:34.439 --> 01:20:34.800
Thank you.

1845
01:20:34.920 --> 01:20:39.479
He's got such crappy lines and he just works so hard to try and

1846
01:20:39.479 --> 01:20:40.079
make them work.

1847
01:20:40.140 --> 01:20:42.479
In my rewatch of this.

1848
01:20:42.539 --> 01:20:45.600
This is the this is the story where I began to like him.

1849
01:20:45.659 --> 01:20:46.560
Really?

1850
01:20:46.619 --> 01:20:47.399
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1851
01:20:47.460 --> 01:20:49.439
I'm with you on this, Todd.

1852
01:20:49.500 --> 01:20:52.619
I was never a massive Peter fan, although he was my era, but

1853
01:20:52.619 --> 01:20:53.699
watching it again.

1854
01:20:53.819 --> 01:20:56.699
He's just, he's standing back, he's very deliberate, he's very

1855
01:20:56.699 --> 01:20:58.319
calm. hes very clear.

1856
01:20:58.380 --> 01:21:01.079
It's, it's really strong.

1857
01:21:01.140 --> 01:21:07.079
And, and, you know, coming off Tom's acting performance as well.

1858
01:21:07.140 --> 01:21:09.180
You know, we had such a different expectation.

1859
01:21:09.239 --> 01:21:10.439
Oh no, I love Tom.

1860
01:21:10.500 --> 01:21:11.760
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1861
01:21:11.819 --> 01:21:12.899
I was just I was trying to do Tom.

1862
01:21:20.279 --> 01:21:24.840
Linda, Linda, Linda, darling, what you really needed this scene is

1863
01:21:24.840 --> 01:21:27.060
a talking badger.

1864
01:21:27.479 --> 01:21:29.460
Oh, oh, I see.

1865
01:21:29.520 --> 01:21:30.960
I see you've got one on your head.

1866
01:21:31.020 --> 01:21:31.560
Never mind.

1867
01:21:33.060 --> 01:21:36.720
Miriam's left me this cabbage because she...

1868
01:21:43.380 --> 01:21:45.420
Oh wow.

1869
01:21:45.479 --> 01:21:48.600
I got very excited about the winnings just then.

1870
01:21:54.779 --> 01:21:58.439
That's when you have good microphone technique, James, when you're

1871
01:21:58.439 --> 01:21:58.800
coughing.

1872
01:22:04.859 --> 01:22:08.880
So who created Enlightenment and why would do Eternals need it?

1873
01:22:08.939 --> 01:22:11.039
Yeah, it's strange, isn't it?

1874
01:22:11.100 --> 01:22:12.779
But again, I don't want to know.

1875
01:22:12.840 --> 01:22:17.279
Like, I don't need Jodie Whittaker to come in and give me a soil

1876
01:22:17.279 --> 01:22:20.760
and tell you...

1877
01:22:20.819 --> 01:22:23.279
Yeah, she lady splains everything, doesn't she?

1878
01:22:23.340 --> 01:22:25.739
Don't worry, she'll do it again.

1879
01:22:28.800 --> 01:22:32.939
It does suggest that, and there's this age, age old cod comic

1880
01:22:32.939 --> 01:22:36.300
strip thing that, you know, relative philosophy, that the greatest

1881
01:22:36.300 --> 01:22:43.260
position to have is, is um, ephemerality or is vulnerability or is

1882
01:22:43.260 --> 01:22:45.479
the freedom of choice and unknowing.

1883
01:22:45.539 --> 01:22:49.079
Yeah, well, they've been around for so long and so little at their

1884
01:22:49.079 --> 01:22:53.220
lives is ever at stake that they're bored, you know, and I really

1885
01:22:53.220 --> 01:22:54.720
really like that.

1886
01:22:54.779 --> 01:23:00.000
And I like the idea that if there are gods, they can't possibly

1887
01:23:00.000 --> 01:23:03.539
care about it or they can't possibly empathise with us.

1888
01:23:03.600 --> 01:23:07.079
And I think that's, you know, that's a very old observation about

1889
01:23:07.079 --> 01:23:08.399
what the gods are like.

1890
01:23:08.460 --> 01:23:10.079
It's what they're like in the Iliad.

1891
01:23:10.140 --> 01:23:12.779
You know, I think it's great.

1892
01:23:13.739 --> 01:23:18.239
Oh, looking, he's some very diverse people on television for

1893
01:23:18.239 --> 01:23:19.140
1980.

1894
01:23:19.380 --> 01:23:20.220
Three?

1895
01:23:27.300 --> 01:23:29.340
We're walking the plane.

1896
01:23:29.399 --> 01:23:30.000
Whee.

1897
01:23:30.060 --> 01:23:31.859
Poor old pink show.

1898
01:23:31.920 --> 01:23:33.060
That happened a little bit early.

1899
01:23:34.619 --> 01:23:36.779
That sudden edit.

1900
01:23:36.840 --> 01:23:39.119
Let him fall off first, I think.

1901
01:23:42.180 --> 01:23:46.199
Now if you do not exist in time, therefore, our concept of that

1902
01:23:46.199 --> 01:23:47.520
can only mean that you are static.

1903
01:23:47.760 --> 01:23:49.199
Yeah.

1904
01:23:49.260 --> 01:23:50.640
How's she ever going to finish that drink?

1905
01:23:52.140 --> 01:23:53.760
Yeah, exactly.

1906
01:23:53.819 --> 01:23:54.539
Priorities.

1907
01:23:55.260 --> 01:23:56.880
That's it.

1908
01:23:56.939 --> 01:23:59.279
The worst thing about being eternal.

1909
01:23:59.760 --> 01:24:03.060
It's completely impossible to be an alcoholic.

1910
01:24:09.119 --> 01:24:11.760
Actually, when does she not have a drink in her hand?

1911
01:24:14.819 --> 01:24:15.840
Linda or Janet?

1912
01:24:19.260 --> 01:24:22.260
And she's fingering Janet's tiara.

1913
01:24:26.220 --> 01:24:30.000
Even a mucky one such as yours, she said, yes.

1914
01:24:30.539 --> 01:24:31.979
James.

1915
01:24:33.479 --> 01:24:36.960
My God, the TV started talking back to us.

1916
01:24:43.020 --> 01:24:45.479
I'm sorry, I drowned out my catchphrase just then.

1917
01:24:45.539 --> 01:24:51.420
Even this, you know, like, is about Turlow as a character in a way

1918
01:24:51.420 --> 01:24:56.039
that this story probably should have been, you know, more than

1919
01:24:56.039 --> 01:24:59.939
just Valentine Dial kind of threatening him pointlessly and him

1920
01:24:59.939 --> 01:25:05.399
kind of snivelling and stuff, having her talk about his, you know

1921
01:25:05.399 --> 01:25:08.039
what he's like as a person, having someone who can read his mind

1922
01:25:08.039 --> 01:25:10.199
while all this is going on.

1923
01:25:10.260 --> 01:25:13.020
I mean, that whole thing is so massively underdeveloped, isn't

1924
01:25:13.020 --> 01:25:13.260
it?

1925
01:25:13.319 --> 01:25:14.939
For this whole trilogy.

1926
01:25:15.000 --> 01:25:17.939
Like whenever Doctor Who does arcs at this point, they kind of

1927
01:25:17.939 --> 01:25:20.399
bolt them on, really.

1928
01:25:20.460 --> 01:25:21.420
Yeah.

1929
01:25:21.420 --> 01:25:24.840
Is that the inside of next year's console?

1930
01:25:25.560 --> 01:25:28.020
Having a snort, yes.

1931
01:25:28.380 --> 01:25:30.300
Men heave.

1932
01:25:30.359 --> 01:25:31.380
Well, indeed.

1933
01:25:32.520 --> 01:25:36.539
I will say, though, that scene with Turlo and Rack is very clever

1934
01:25:36.539 --> 01:25:38.100
because this is episode four.

1935
01:25:38.159 --> 01:25:40.319
It reestablishes who the Eternals are.

1936
01:25:40.380 --> 01:25:44.159
It establishes that they can't die, but also that they can read

1937
01:25:44.159 --> 01:25:48.000
minds and they take personalities from people whose minds they

1938
01:25:48.000 --> 01:25:52.500
read and it establishes, reestablishes Turlo's relationship with

1939
01:25:52.500 --> 01:25:56.340
the Black Guardian and his instinct for self-preservation, all

1940
01:25:56.340 --> 01:25:58.500
without speechifying.

1941
01:25:58.560 --> 01:25:59.399
Yeah, yeah.

1942
01:25:59.399 --> 01:26:01.079
It does it with dialogue.

1943
01:26:01.140 --> 01:26:04.859
And I'm quite a fan of Jody speechifying, but that was a masterful

1944
01:26:04.859 --> 01:26:05.819
masterful bit of scripture.

1945
01:26:05.880 --> 01:26:06.960
Wow, look at the acting.

1946
01:26:07.079 --> 01:26:07.739
Look at Lee John.

1947
01:26:09.779 --> 01:26:12.899
He's earning his pay this week, isn't he?

1948
01:26:12.960 --> 01:26:15.539
Bless him. pumping it out.

1949
01:26:19.739 --> 01:26:24.659
Again, there's the sense of it moves at the same paces. wind in

1950
01:26:24.659 --> 01:26:26.760
your spinnaker, doesn't it, on a slow day?

1951
01:26:26.819 --> 01:26:27.899
And that's a good thing.

1952
01:26:27.960 --> 01:26:29.159
That is okay.

1953
01:26:29.220 --> 01:26:32.579
I do think that we don't get much of a sense of the race

1954
01:26:32.579 --> 01:26:34.260
throughout.

1955
01:26:34.319 --> 01:26:35.340
No, we don't.

1956
01:26:35.399 --> 01:26:36.960
There's a lot of ships out of bottles.

1957
01:26:37.020 --> 01:26:38.399
You know, yeah.

1958
01:26:38.460 --> 01:26:43.500
But and I guess that would be the thing that prompted the, you

1959
01:26:43.500 --> 01:26:47.460
know, people's desire to do a special edition because the one

1960
01:26:47.460 --> 01:26:51.180
thing the special edition does do is a better, you know, a better

1961
01:26:51.180 --> 01:26:51.720
job.

1962
01:26:51.720 --> 01:26:54.060
Ships moving fast rather than just fluttering away.

1963
01:26:54.119 --> 01:26:55.199
You see more of the race.

1964
01:26:55.260 --> 01:26:56.220
Yeah, yeah.

1965
01:26:56.279 --> 01:26:58.020
And the race is spectacular.

1966
01:26:58.079 --> 01:26:58.920
It's a great idea.

1967
01:27:01.979 --> 01:27:06.300
And it's so weird for this period of Doctor Who, this period of

1968
01:27:06.300 --> 01:27:11.159
sort of tin clavic minds and, you know, bastic explosives and

1969
01:27:11.159 --> 01:27:13.800
stuff, you know, where it's all so science fiction-y.

1970
01:27:14.399 --> 01:27:16.560
I think there's an Arthur C.

1971
01:27:16.560 --> 01:27:17.039
Clark book.

1972
01:27:17.100 --> 01:27:21.479
This may have called on the sun jammers or the wind of the sun or

1973
01:27:21.479 --> 01:27:23.880
something like this, which is almost exactly like this.

1974
01:27:23.939 --> 01:27:26.279
There is, it reminded me as well.

1975
01:27:26.340 --> 01:27:27.300
Yep, there is.

1976
01:27:30.359 --> 01:27:34.439
If any of the ships had been done by industrial light and magic

1977
01:27:34.439 --> 01:27:34.619
though.

1978
01:27:35.460 --> 01:27:37.619
No, I like real prop.

1979
01:27:37.979 --> 01:27:38.460
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1980
01:27:38.520 --> 01:27:39.600
No, that's what I mean.

1981
01:27:39.659 --> 01:27:43.020
Real prop, you know, emotional controlled cameras.

1982
01:27:43.079 --> 01:27:44.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1983
01:27:44.220 --> 01:27:44.699
Yeah.

1984
01:27:44.760 --> 01:27:46.020
That's cool.

1985
01:27:46.140 --> 01:27:48.899
Oh, she's just a poor girl from a poor family.

1986
01:27:55.619 --> 01:27:56.819
Part of a duel.

1987
01:27:56.939 --> 01:28:00.239
Yes, Caramouche, speak to me.

1988
01:28:01.859 --> 01:28:04.739
Oh, and that's a twist too, isn't it?

1989
01:28:04.800 --> 01:28:09.000
I'd forgotten about that, that she's... with the black guardian.

1990
01:28:09.659 --> 01:28:12.720
She was the shadow all the time.

1991
01:28:12.779 --> 01:28:16.319
The shadow that accompanies us all.

1992
01:28:16.380 --> 01:28:17.640
I wish.

1993
01:28:17.699 --> 01:28:19.439
That would have been fun.

1994
01:28:19.800 --> 01:28:22.319
She's only got one nose, though.

1995
01:28:22.380 --> 01:28:25.380
Yeah, that's always a disappointment.

1996
01:28:31.439 --> 01:28:34.800
See, this isn't the smartest thing that Pete ever does, is it?

1997
01:28:35.220 --> 01:28:39.659
Smash it into a lot of pieces that are very hard to become.

1998
01:28:40.500 --> 01:28:44.460
As a kid, I'm going, like, it's going to blow up the ship.

1999
01:28:44.460 --> 01:28:45.899
Like, there's still some left there.

2000
01:28:46.140 --> 01:28:46.619
Get it all.

2001
01:28:47.340 --> 01:28:50.880
Why didn't you just pick up the bloody tiara?

2002
01:28:50.939 --> 01:28:54.180
Maybe it's a, well, it is a crystal.

2003
01:28:54.239 --> 01:28:56.939
You know, like maybe you just thought if he smashed it all up, then

2004
01:28:56.939 --> 01:28:58.920
it wouldn't have its crystalline structure.

2005
01:28:58.979 --> 01:29:01.859
This has been chemistry corn.

2006
01:29:04.319 --> 01:29:06.779
Pete, you missed, mate.

2007
01:29:09.239 --> 01:29:12.359
She's taking an awful long time to focus.

2008
01:29:13.140 --> 01:29:14.819
Oh, no, come on.

2009
01:29:14.880 --> 01:29:16.859
There lots of Linda Baronheads now. here we go.

2010
01:29:16.920 --> 01:29:17.579
Yes.

2011
01:29:17.579 --> 01:29:19.020
Just like Pete's Regeneration.

2012
01:29:19.079 --> 01:29:20.159
Only much better.

2013
01:29:20.880 --> 01:29:23.220
I'm getting a bit dizzy now.

2014
01:29:23.819 --> 01:29:26.939
I can stop. making me giddy.

2015
01:29:29.039 --> 01:29:32.939
Linda, you're a wonderful actress Linda, we love you.

2016
01:29:33.000 --> 01:29:34.079
Linda, Linda.

2017
01:29:34.380 --> 01:29:41.520
Linda, Linda, you must die. wouldn't you just pick up the carpet?

2018
01:29:42.659 --> 01:29:44.399
Exactly, James.

2019
01:29:44.460 --> 01:29:45.539
Exactly.

2020
01:29:45.600 --> 01:29:48.060
What a good observation Are we still doing freezing?

2021
01:29:48.119 --> 01:29:48.659
carpet.

2022
01:29:48.720 --> 01:29:49.920
Just roll up the carpet.

2023
01:29:49.979 --> 01:29:52.140
Oh, no, let's put all these little tiny pieces.

2024
01:29:52.199 --> 01:29:53.220
Put them in getting all of them.

2025
01:29:53.279 --> 01:29:54.060
Pick that one up.

2026
01:29:54.060 --> 01:29:54.479
No.

2027
01:29:54.479 --> 01:29:56.760
No, we just have more than limited. fine.

2028
01:29:56.819 --> 01:29:57.899
Janet's old knickers.

2029
01:29:59.699 --> 01:30:01.920
I love Pete running.

2030
01:30:02.220 --> 01:30:03.659
So great.

2031
01:30:03.720 --> 01:30:04.439
He's so good.

2032
01:30:04.500 --> 01:30:06.420
Round and round the cross.

2033
01:30:06.420 --> 01:30:07.680
David Tennant rips that off.

2034
01:30:07.800 --> 01:30:08.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2035
01:30:08.760 --> 01:30:11.279
Well, I mean, Eccleston's 1st word is run.

2036
01:30:11.340 --> 01:30:15.420
I think Pete running is hugely important for how...

2037
01:30:15.479 --> 01:30:17.520
No, but I mean the style of running that run.

2038
01:30:17.579 --> 01:30:20.279
The tenant does is very Pete.

2039
01:30:20.340 --> 01:30:22.500
But then Pete was his doctor, no?

2040
01:30:22.560 --> 01:30:23.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2041
01:30:23.340 --> 01:30:24.720
And he's massively out of breath now.

2042
01:30:24.779 --> 01:30:25.739
Oh here we go.

2043
01:30:25.800 --> 01:30:27.180
I was always falling over.

2044
01:30:27.300 --> 01:30:30.300
Peed in pain falling over is always great. fun, isn't it?

2045
01:30:30.420 --> 01:30:31.260
Why is he in pain?

2046
01:30:31.319 --> 01:30:32.939
Because he's out of breath.

2047
01:30:33.119 --> 01:30:36.420
I thought he had a respiratory bypass.

2048
01:30:37.500 --> 01:30:39.479
That's going to explose.

2049
01:30:39.539 --> 01:30:41.340
Will it be the same explosion?

2050
01:30:41.399 --> 01:30:43.140
Oh, good question.

2051
01:30:46.260 --> 01:30:48.840
No, exploding knickers.

2052
01:30:49.439 --> 01:30:51.060
TM.

2053
01:30:51.119 --> 01:30:52.920
Janet's exploding knickers.

2054
01:30:52.979 --> 01:30:54.420
That is our podcast title.

2055
01:30:59.100 --> 01:31:03.539
I did think I would call it Linda Barron's ample commentary.

2056
01:31:04.979 --> 01:31:09.119
One of us would have to say that during the commentary for that to

2057
01:31:09.119 --> 01:31:09.359
work.

2058
01:31:09.779 --> 01:31:14.460
Well, none of us said El Commentary del Mundo in the day, so

2059
01:31:14.460 --> 01:31:15.000
that's fine.

2060
01:31:15.119 --> 01:31:16.140
That's not our rule.

2061
01:31:24.060 --> 01:31:25.560
This is great.

2062
01:31:25.619 --> 01:31:26.520
Yeah, it really is.

2063
01:31:26.579 --> 01:31:28.319
Yeah, they're empty.

2064
01:31:28.380 --> 01:31:29.340
Yeah, yeah.

2065
01:31:30.239 --> 01:31:33.359
Oh, sorry, Pete. trod on your line.

2066
01:31:36.420 --> 01:31:37.500
What is it?

2067
01:31:39.180 --> 01:31:43.140
I was gonna make a joke, but it's far too filthy for this

2068
01:31:43.140 --> 01:31:43.500
podcast.

2069
01:31:43.920 --> 01:31:45.659
Oh here we go.

2070
01:31:45.779 --> 01:31:47.399
Oh, lady.

2071
01:31:47.399 --> 01:31:48.600
Oh, love you.

2072
01:31:49.260 --> 01:31:51.720
He just looked at the camera.

2073
01:31:53.579 --> 01:31:59.520
If only if only Matthew Waterhouse was still here to explain to do

2074
01:31:59.520 --> 01:31:59.760
that.

2075
01:32:00.359 --> 01:32:02.220
Look at the camera.

2076
01:32:02.279 --> 01:32:05.939
Unless you're Linda Baron, it's the end it's the end of an episode

2077
01:32:05.939 --> 01:32:06.180
yes.

2078
01:32:06.239 --> 01:32:10.560
Yes, it really infuriated Richard and Todd when Kim Morton did

2079
01:32:10.560 --> 01:32:12.119
that to Richard Todd.

2080
01:32:19.979 --> 01:32:23.100
When did you have time to get out of that massive frock?

2081
01:32:23.159 --> 01:32:23.760
Yes.

2082
01:32:23.819 --> 01:32:25.560
Which took a 2 hours to put on.

2083
01:32:25.619 --> 01:32:26.039
Yeah.

2084
01:32:26.100 --> 01:32:29.039
Mariner just thought about it.

2085
01:32:29.579 --> 01:32:31.560
It was super embarrassing.

2086
01:32:34.619 --> 01:32:35.819
Oh, thank you.

2087
01:32:36.600 --> 01:32:38.640
Oh, that's right.

2088
01:32:38.699 --> 01:32:40.439
It was hidden in his mind.

2089
01:32:40.560 --> 01:32:41.039
Yes.

2090
01:32:41.100 --> 01:32:42.060
Cool.

2091
01:32:42.119 --> 01:32:45.119
I love that. did the world of good.

2092
01:32:48.180 --> 01:32:52.739
Rack is completely outstripping Tegan.

2093
01:32:53.880 --> 01:32:56.460
Wow, he's so good, isn't he?

2094
01:32:56.520 --> 01:32:57.899
Whishing.

2095
01:32:57.960 --> 01:32:59.100
Wishingly good.

2096
01:32:59.159 --> 01:33:01.079
He's not meant to be able to do that.

2097
01:33:01.199 --> 01:33:02.760
I didn't just say warp, warp.

2098
01:33:02.819 --> 01:33:04.979
Yeah, or whizzing crooning.

2099
01:33:08.100 --> 01:33:09.180
No, stop.

2100
01:33:12.300 --> 01:33:14.460
How old do we think she is then?

2101
01:33:14.460 --> 01:33:17.760
Because, I mean, obviously she's back in closing time many 100s of

2102
01:33:17.760 --> 01:33:18.300
years later.

2103
01:33:18.359 --> 01:33:21.659
No, she's still Nurse Gladys Emmanuel, most time.

2104
01:33:21.720 --> 01:33:23.760
Do you think she's 40?

2105
01:33:23.880 --> 01:33:24.779
Oh yeah.

2106
01:33:24.840 --> 01:33:26.939
Yeah, that, that, that could be it.

2107
01:33:27.000 --> 01:33:30.659
Every woman of a certain age is 40. 40 right now.

2108
01:33:30.720 --> 01:33:31.800
Oh, look at that.

2109
01:33:31.859 --> 01:33:32.579
That is a big one.

2110
01:33:32.640 --> 01:33:34.079
It is a great one, isn't it?

2111
01:33:34.140 --> 01:33:34.560
They're all.

2112
01:33:34.560 --> 01:33:40.260
But we're also getting, it's funny you mentioned the Iliad, because

2113
01:33:40.260 --> 01:33:43.260
we're getting quite a bit of Greek acting in this, aren't we

2114
01:33:43.260 --> 01:33:44.220
standing up and...

2115
01:33:44.220 --> 01:33:45.359
Yeah, well, those...

2116
01:33:45.420 --> 01:33:48.659
Another 3 shot where they're just looking, not at the camera, but

2117
01:33:48.659 --> 01:33:50.819
they're just sort of directed at the camera.

2118
01:33:50.880 --> 01:33:53.699
And it gives, she's doing a great job there too.

2119
01:33:53.760 --> 01:33:58.560
With them being super impassive. 79 now.

2120
01:33:58.619 --> 01:33:59.159
Yeah.

2121
01:34:02.220 --> 01:34:03.960
This is 36 years ago.

2122
01:34:04.020 --> 01:34:05.460
I don't know.

2123
01:34:05.520 --> 01:34:06.479
What age?

2124
01:34:06.479 --> 01:34:07.079
Around about that.

2125
01:34:07.140 --> 01:34:08.520
So yeah, it should be 43.

2126
01:34:08.939 --> 01:34:11.100
I always forget to factor in the 90s when I do this.

2127
01:34:12.359 --> 01:34:13.739
I think we all do happen.

2128
01:34:13.800 --> 01:34:15.600
They didn't happen to me either.

2129
01:34:15.659 --> 01:34:21.060
But it's interesting how, like, she and him get jettisoned and you

2130
01:34:21.060 --> 01:34:24.779
see those images go, but the other people get put across the plank

2131
01:34:24.779 --> 01:34:25.800
just disappear.

2132
01:34:25.859 --> 01:34:26.340
They disappear.

2133
01:34:26.399 --> 01:34:26.579
Yeah.

2134
01:34:27.539 --> 01:34:31.920
That is a beautiful, whatever the hell that is, isn't it?

2135
01:34:32.100 --> 01:34:35.640
Yeah, I do love that line from Mariner.

2136
01:34:35.699 --> 01:34:36.239
What is grief?

2137
01:34:36.300 --> 01:34:38.640
Because we already know that Mariner doesn't know what love is.

2138
01:34:38.699 --> 01:34:41.699
And so we feel sorry for him, but then we realise, oh, this also

2139
01:34:41.699 --> 01:34:44.399
means you would never feel sad and you would never feel sorrow.

2140
01:34:44.460 --> 01:34:45.300
Yeah.

2141
01:34:45.300 --> 01:34:45.960
Yeah.

2142
01:34:46.020 --> 01:34:48.779
And just the fact that, you know, Tegan doesn't answer, but

2143
01:34:48.779 --> 01:34:51.060
immediately turns up, like, you know, why are we going over

2144
01:34:51.060 --> 01:34:51.300
there?

2145
01:34:51.359 --> 01:34:54.119
Um, it's just another beautiful scene.

2146
01:34:54.180 --> 01:34:56.880
I could watch Christopher Brown and Janet Fielding just in a 2

2147
01:34:56.880 --> 01:34:57.539
handed play.

2148
01:34:58.079 --> 01:35:02.399
And now we have... 12 episode.

2149
01:35:02.460 --> 01:35:02.819
Yes.

2150
01:35:02.880 --> 01:35:05.039
It's a king to surprise.

2151
01:35:07.199 --> 01:35:11.220
That's the shiny crystalline ship thing.

2152
01:35:11.279 --> 01:35:12.539
Yeah.

2153
01:35:12.539 --> 01:35:17.399
And also that you don't see what enlightenment means to lots of

2154
01:35:17.399 --> 01:35:17.819
people.

2155
01:35:17.880 --> 01:35:20.460
It would be good if you would have seen what it meant to Mariner

2156
01:35:20.460 --> 01:35:21.300
or Tegan or whatever.

2157
01:35:21.359 --> 01:35:21.899
Exactly.

2158
01:35:21.899 --> 01:35:24.960
But now it's just like suddenly turns into a little bomb when you

2159
01:35:24.960 --> 01:35:26.159
when you push it off a table.

2160
01:35:27.119 --> 01:35:31.439
Look at the googly eyes on Cyril Luckham's duck.

2161
01:35:34.380 --> 01:35:36.359
That's terrible.

2162
01:35:36.420 --> 01:35:43.199
It's it's like it's done a big line of coke or taking a shit.

2163
01:35:43.319 --> 01:35:44.699
Oh, it did, all over his head.

2164
01:35:46.020 --> 01:35:51.000
Okay, we're marking the time code for this..

2165
01:35:52.739 --> 01:35:54.659
One hour and 37 minutes.

2166
01:35:55.500 --> 01:35:59.760
I do feel if Bowie had lived just a bit longer, he'd have been

2167
01:35:59.760 --> 01:36:00.659
wearing these outfits.

2168
01:36:01.619 --> 01:36:03.840
We all were back.

2169
01:36:03.899 --> 01:36:04.739
It's Cruise Green.

2170
01:36:04.800 --> 01:36:06.239
Guys are too young to remember that.

2171
01:36:06.479 --> 01:36:09.539
Is this where the Shadows and the Vorlons came from?

2172
01:36:09.600 --> 01:36:11.279
Interesting thought.

2173
01:36:11.399 --> 01:36:13.680
Because JMS was a fan.

2174
01:36:13.800 --> 01:36:14.279
He was.

2175
01:36:14.340 --> 01:36:16.739
That kind of surprise is really annoying me now.

2176
01:36:16.800 --> 01:36:19.979
You'll never, Richard's ruined that.

2177
01:36:20.520 --> 01:36:26.159
But I agree with Colin, the idea of being able to see what, what

2178
01:36:26.159 --> 01:36:27.300
just more of this.

2179
01:36:27.359 --> 01:36:30.239
It's really kind of too late in the day, isn't it?

2180
01:36:30.239 --> 01:36:33.720
And just a little bit of McGuffin that also works as a night light

2181
01:36:33.720 --> 01:36:34.920
and Pokemon.

2182
01:36:34.979 --> 01:36:38.520
Yeah, and you wouldn't be able to fight in America, but you could

2183
01:36:38.520 --> 01:36:40.020
buy a semi-automatic weapon.

2184
01:36:43.319 --> 01:36:46.079
I guess it is a McGuffin, isn't it?

2185
01:36:46.140 --> 01:36:47.159
Like, yeah.

2186
01:36:50.220 --> 01:36:53.760
Did me own air for this, just like that William Parnell.

2187
01:36:54.659 --> 01:36:57.060
Wow, he really does.

2188
01:36:57.119 --> 01:36:59.399
If Billy had lived, that's exactly what he would have been like

2189
01:36:59.399 --> 01:37:01.319
with a duck on his head.

2190
01:37:01.380 --> 01:37:02.640
And a lot of foundation.

2191
01:37:05.699 --> 01:37:07.319
Oh, I feel sad to lose them.

2192
01:37:08.880 --> 01:37:11.880
It does look like an egg cup, doesn't it?

2193
01:37:12.239 --> 01:37:16.260
There's an implication for me there that this whole thing was set

2194
01:37:16.260 --> 01:37:19.140
up by the White Guardian because he's the one who sends the

2195
01:37:19.140 --> 01:37:22.680
Eternals back and he's the one who sort of dismisses Mariner when

2196
01:37:22.680 --> 01:37:23.760
Mariner says I don't want to go.

2197
01:37:23.819 --> 01:37:25.979
He's like back, back into the void.

2198
01:37:26.100 --> 01:37:27.720
You know, it's...

2199
01:37:27.720 --> 01:37:28.500
Oh, the void.

2200
01:37:28.560 --> 01:37:29.760
That's why, yeah, yeah.

2201
01:37:29.880 --> 01:37:32.220
Now they've taken off the...

2202
01:37:32.220 --> 01:37:33.060
Top.

2203
01:37:33.539 --> 01:37:35.640
And we see the diamond.

2204
01:37:35.699 --> 01:37:37.020
Wow.

2205
01:37:37.020 --> 01:37:40.079
That really doesn't look like a diamond.

2206
01:37:41.100 --> 01:37:43.979
I think Heston Blumenthal's made that.

2207
01:37:43.979 --> 01:37:49.380
Almost like the BBC doing man of steel, isn't it?

2208
01:37:49.439 --> 01:37:52.260
Is that what we said all that was for?

2209
01:37:52.260 --> 01:37:52.920
Unless, of course.

2210
01:37:53.279 --> 01:37:55.500
Ah, yes.

2211
01:37:55.560 --> 01:37:57.659
I'm not talking out of my darkness.

2212
01:37:57.720 --> 01:37:58.439
Oh goodness.

2213
01:38:00.119 --> 01:38:02.880
Those eyebrows are stupid aren't they?

2214
01:38:02.939 --> 01:38:04.800
Has anyone ever said that?

2215
01:38:04.859 --> 01:38:08.100
Well, I think he's looked at Valentine dial and thought, how can I

2216
01:38:08.100 --> 01:38:09.060
achieve the same look?

2217
01:38:09.960 --> 01:38:11.520
Yeah.

2218
01:38:11.579 --> 01:38:13.739
God, that duh.

2219
01:38:13.800 --> 01:38:14.939
That is so bad.

2220
01:38:15.359 --> 01:38:17.939
That's what they should have CGI.

2221
01:38:18.000 --> 01:38:18.539
Yeah.

2222
01:38:18.539 --> 01:38:22.199
Literally, CG.

2223
01:38:22.979 --> 01:38:27.060
Yeah, like they could have had the dark blinking and stuff, like

2224
01:38:27.060 --> 01:38:27.960
doing reaction.

2225
01:38:28.020 --> 01:38:32.100
Smiling. like quirming.

2226
01:38:32.100 --> 01:38:33.960
Reaction just before that.

2227
01:38:34.020 --> 01:38:37.260
Oh, that really?

2228
01:38:38.399 --> 01:38:40.380
That's not a bad effect.

2229
01:38:40.439 --> 01:38:41.220
No, not bad.

2230
01:38:41.220 --> 01:38:43.380
We did this great effect back in 79.

2231
01:38:43.560 --> 01:38:44.220
Let's do it again.

2232
01:38:44.279 --> 01:38:46.680
No, but they set fire to that chair.

2233
01:38:46.739 --> 01:38:47.819
Yeah, really?

2234
01:38:47.819 --> 01:38:50.220
Sorry, I wasn't looking for many hours, 78?

2235
01:38:50.279 --> 01:38:53.100
And that way, Pete's just standing at the side, just observing

2236
01:38:53.100 --> 01:38:55.079
everything and letting, well, Turlow.

2237
01:38:55.199 --> 01:38:56.159
Yeah, Colin.

2238
01:38:56.279 --> 01:38:57.539
I want Tegan to have a meltdown.

2239
01:38:57.600 --> 01:38:59.939
Oh, he's just throwing a bit of Scomo's coal in as well.

2240
01:38:59.939 --> 01:39:02.220
I want to see taking over meltdown.

2241
01:39:02.279 --> 01:39:04.739
You mean you were trying to kill us all the time, you certain

2242
01:39:04.739 --> 01:39:06.180
person I can't say on a podcast?

2243
01:39:06.239 --> 01:39:07.619
No, where she's at.

2244
01:39:07.619 --> 01:39:08.159
James can.

2245
01:39:08.220 --> 01:39:10.140
She's actually she is cross with them.

2246
01:39:10.199 --> 01:39:10.920
Yeah.

2247
01:39:13.979 --> 01:39:14.760
Great line.

2248
01:39:14.819 --> 01:39:16.319
Yeah, that is good.

2249
01:39:16.319 --> 01:39:17.340
It is.

2250
01:39:17.579 --> 01:39:21.180
Although Charles Daniels points out, so what was the diamond

2251
01:39:21.180 --> 01:39:21.600
then?

2252
01:39:22.560 --> 01:39:24.119
What was it?

2253
01:39:24.180 --> 01:39:25.140
Why did it make him blow up?

2254
01:39:25.199 --> 01:39:27.960
It's all part of an IKEA furniture set.

2255
01:39:28.020 --> 01:39:29.039
A bathtub.

2256
01:39:30.180 --> 01:39:31.079
So a 3rd encounter.

2257
01:39:31.140 --> 01:39:32.460
In big finish.

2258
01:39:32.699 --> 01:39:34.619
No, season 12.

2259
01:39:34.859 --> 01:39:36.180
Series 12, whatever.

2260
01:39:36.239 --> 01:39:37.260
Nah, wait.

2261
01:39:37.260 --> 01:39:38.460
Finish has already done it.

2262
01:39:40.260 --> 01:39:42.180
And it was better than this.

2263
01:39:51.239 --> 01:39:51.840
Uh.

2264
01:39:52.020 --> 01:39:54.000
No, we won't be doing that.

2265
01:39:54.060 --> 01:39:55.079
No.

2266
01:39:55.140 --> 01:39:55.619
No.

2267
01:39:55.680 --> 01:39:56.640
I've got the budget.

2268
01:39:57.180 --> 01:39:59.399
In fact, we're never going to do that.

2269
01:39:59.460 --> 01:40:02.579
It ends on such a Soto note, doesn't it?

2270
01:40:02.640 --> 01:40:06.659
It's kind of, should be an end of season thing, really, shouldn't

2271
01:40:06.659 --> 01:40:06.840
it?

2272
01:40:06.899 --> 01:40:07.680
Yeah.

2273
01:40:07.739 --> 01:40:11.939
You can all come back next week for my demons.

2274
01:40:12.060 --> 01:40:14.640
So well, let's do the commentary on that now.

2275
01:40:15.659 --> 01:40:17.100
Bye.

2276
01:40:17.159 --> 01:40:18.119
You've got nothing on.

2277
01:40:18.180 --> 01:40:18.779
I know.

2278
01:40:18.840 --> 01:40:20.819
I'll take you to...

2279
01:40:20.880 --> 01:40:22.500
Blackpool.

2280
01:40:22.560 --> 01:40:26.220
So does anyone have any sort of closing remarks because I'm going

2281
01:40:26.220 --> 01:40:28.680
to take the better mic off, James?

2282
01:40:28.800 --> 01:40:29.340
Rosette.

2283
01:40:30.539 --> 01:40:32.159
I enjoyed it.

2284
01:40:32.220 --> 01:40:33.359
Enjoyed it thoroughly.

2285
01:40:33.420 --> 01:40:34.380
Yeah, yeah.

2286
01:40:34.500 --> 01:40:39.600
Yeah, I think it's one of the best, if not the best Davison story

2287
01:40:39.659 --> 01:40:42.840
got a good plot, it's got heart, it's got good stuff for all the

2288
01:40:42.840 --> 01:40:43.619
regulars.

2289
01:40:44.100 --> 01:40:45.659
And a pretty great guest cast.

2290
01:40:45.720 --> 01:40:48.060
I mean, even Lee John, who's not a good actor, is entertaining.

2291
01:40:48.119 --> 01:40:48.600
So, you know.

2292
01:40:48.659 --> 01:40:49.319
Exactly.

2293
01:40:52.380 --> 01:40:52.979
I love it.

2294
01:40:53.039 --> 01:40:54.539
I think it's one of my favourites as well.

2295
01:40:54.600 --> 01:40:56.640
It's beautifully directed.

2296
01:40:56.699 --> 01:40:58.079
The script is great.

2297
01:40:58.140 --> 01:41:00.359
Mariners, terrific character.

2298
01:41:00.420 --> 01:41:01.500
Great music, love it.

2299
01:41:05.100 --> 01:41:06.600
James.

2300
01:41:06.659 --> 01:41:09.659
I have no particular opinion about this story.

2301
01:41:10.319 --> 01:41:12.479
Thanks for joining us.

2302
01:41:12.539 --> 01:41:14.760
And that's why you're on the podcast.

2303
01:41:16.140 --> 01:41:16.979
All right.

2304
01:41:17.039 --> 01:41:20.159
Well, dear listener, that's all we have time for this week.

2305
01:41:20.220 --> 01:41:24.539
We'll be back soon with a very special Christmas episode and then

2306
01:41:24.539 --> 01:41:26.939
back in the new year with our coverage of series 2.

2307
01:41:27.239 --> 01:41:29.579
Over on Jody interterra.

2308
01:41:29.640 --> 01:41:32.880
You can hear our hot takes on every episode of series 11.

2309
01:41:33.180 --> 01:41:36.899
That's Jodieintterra.com, Jodie Interterra on Apple Podcasts and

2310
01:41:36.899 --> 01:41:38.880
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2311
01:41:38.939 --> 01:41:42.659
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2312
01:41:42.659 --> 01:41:46.680
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2313
01:41:46.680 --> 01:41:48.000
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2314
01:41:48.060 --> 01:41:51.239
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2315
01:41:51.239 --> 01:41:52.979
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2316
01:41:53.039 --> 01:41:56.399
Until next time, may you have the wisdom to realise that

2317
01:41:56.399 --> 01:42:00.300
Enlightenment wasn't the commentary it was the friends we made

2318
01:42:00.300 --> 01:42:01.140
along the way.

2319
01:42:01.319 --> 01:42:04.380
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

2320
01:42:04.439 --> 01:42:05.760
See you soon.

2321
01:42:05.819 --> 01:42:06.479
Good night.

2322
01:42:06.539 --> 01:42:07.020
Cheerio.

2323
01:42:07.079 --> 01:42:07.439
Good night.