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And Basil Brush returns at the same time next week.

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This is BBC One.

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Coming up later at 8 o'clock.

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Beryl Reed is amongst the guests joining Terry Wogan for Blankety Blank, and at 9 p.m. it's good night from him and good night from him with the 2 Ronnies.

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Now, though, we begin an exciting new adventure for the flythrough entirety team as they join Peter Davidson in Doctor Who meets the Enlightenment.

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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flightthrough Entirety, the only Doctor Who commentary podcast exhilarated by the confusion in Janet Fielding's mind.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm James.

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I'm Colin.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Todd, and I appear to be an anachronistic Dyson that sucked up Turlo as a spacesuit for this. episode.

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Watch for these, watch me stupid plastic head.

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So, you're probably like us on the menu screen for the Enlightenment DVD.

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But before we go on, let me welcome friend of the podcast, Colin Neal, who's joined us here from the UK.

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Hi, thanks for joining.

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Let me join.

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Hey, thanks for joining me. just nervous.

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Colin's come all in black as a tribute to Valentine dials.

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Exactly.

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This bird on my head. won't go away.

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That's why you're dressed in black.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's a thing.

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Did you have to choose an ibis on your head, though.

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That's my only question.

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We call them beaten chickens here.

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So in June 2017, would you believe?

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In June 2017, we asked you to vote on 4 possible stories for a Peter Davison commentary.

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Arc of Infinity, Resurrection of the Daleks, 4 to Doomsday, and Enlightenment.

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And the winner with 40% of the vote was Richard's choice enlightenment.

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So that's what we're doing today. fixed it.

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It was the Trumpian allegiate vote.

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No, you need 40% to win.

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No, exactly.

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No, he put his thumb on the Google Sheet.

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I think friend of the podcast, Stephen Bea voted 3 times for in line.

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Let's have a look at it.

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Stephen is well done, Steve.

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Checks in them.

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Anyway, so we've got our DVD ready to go.

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James's finger is hovering over the over the button of the PlayStation 4 controller.

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And we are going to press the play button the next time you hear me say the code word, hornpipe.

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Okay, are we ready?

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No, it's not rack.

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Okay, all right, everyone, let's get ready to go, James.

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Hornpipe.

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Help me.

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Here comes Doctor Who in the TARDIS.

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It's only 12 o'clock.

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No one's been drinking.

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Haven't I?

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Susan Carmen conducts the crankies.

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Don't expect anything in life.

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Right, right, right.

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They're allowed?

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They're very few and far between.

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Just not on the podcast, apparently.

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Yes.

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Is she the first?

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Is she the 1st woman to write for the show?

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Solo, I think.

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Yeah, yeah.

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The R has a co-writing credit, doesn't it?

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And this is the episode where they change the lights to match. very nice.

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This is what this is what Jameson is terribly racist.

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It is.

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It is.

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How can ginger be racist?

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He was saying that this is how he wanted the TARDIS to look all the time, as in flattering to his so-called 29-year-old bonds.

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And it diminishes the show. yeah Well, it diminishes the size of his hair, doesn't it?

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What do they all come as?

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His hair's rather long here, isn't it?

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It's whereas Tegan's isn't.

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Not until later.

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It's like they've all had a go with the garden shears, doesn't it?

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I got the 80s blunt cut was awful.

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And what about the costumes?

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Can we start on the frocks?

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Start what we mean to finish.

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I don't mind the poop tube.

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She was no fond.

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Was she?

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She was no fondler of the blue cheese. stuffed into that, isn't she?

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It's my least favourite.

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She's got an extra pair of boobs.

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She's actually got four.

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If you look at them, or at least, or at least three, centric a Columbus.

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She large one underneath.

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She was the original concept for Deanna Troy all the time because Deanna Troy was going to have 3 breasts.

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And Gene Ronbury only relented when Marina Surtees asked, how are they to be arranged?

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He is.

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I'm actually not Oh my god.

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It was whining her up.

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She could have worn one as a humble.

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When are we doing the TNG podcast?

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We're not doing it now, no, we're not doing it.

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I've given you everything you've.

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Oh, it is you, in it?

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In it.

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Oh dear.

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Always comes in one of those lovely fish scale. mobiles that we used to have in the 70s.

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Remember those?

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Those lovely things that used to tinkle and annoy.

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And what's he got in his ear?

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He's wearing a sequence dress.

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He is.

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It's such a bad take on this character, like a truly, truly terrible take on this character.

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So he's completely passive.

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He can't do anything Whereas before we saw him, he was that sort of fabulous colonial guy on a sort of plastic plantation somewhere.

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With racial, well, with solid racialist overtones and utter bastard intent.

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Yes.

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Yes, but besides not doing anything.

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Like previously, he wasn't going to let the doctor do anything ever.

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So here, it's I agree with you, Nathan. such a terrible take.

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Well, it's turning him into a science fiction character instead of a sort of bizarre, homesian kind of weird archetype.

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It does remind me a bit of of Q. like the 1st episodes of Q from the next generation, where Q would be sitting in a similar colonialist chair and he continued that character the whole way through, whereas he's just become a vague plot device with a duck on his head.

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At least at least Valentine Dale comes in and just eats the whole scene.

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But why does the Black Guardian have more seem to have more power.

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Like it's just ridiculous.

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Because the universe is out of balance.

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No, it's a well-known topic in moral philosophy that evil is actually much better than good, like much cooler.

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You ask a manual.

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Good to know.

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And much more powerful than it.

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I mean, what happened in America in 2016.

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They do seem to get more work done, don't they?

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The, the, yes, the tar covered pigeons.

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Chicks and looks so shifty all the time.

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It's so good.

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I wonder if you squeeze her, she sounds like one of those rubber chickens.

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Janet, because we're watching this with the sound turned down.

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I wonder if all her lines have been delivered as the vocal tones of a rubber chicken.

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I'm gonna throw myself against this fricking wall again.

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Well, that was that was good coordinator done.

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It was, wasn't it?

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Coordination by the team out of kilter hair.

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Oh, look at his hair.

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I think it's competing with the ducks.

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One of my favourite things that fanboys do now because he's complained about Jody Whittaker getting her hair blonded and it's kind of like, who cares?

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What's this?

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What's this?

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No doctor in history ever had their hair dye?

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No, that's not the colour.

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Good Lord intended, is it?

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Or bleached and then scrunch permed while in a harness flying with Bonnie Langford.

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Yes, that's real...

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That was Colin Baker's real hair colour.

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But we had all of those things done except with the Bonnie Langfords.

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Well, there's some stories about conventions, Richard, but you know. can I say the roundles look so dirty.

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I just want to get some cleaning.

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I've been going...

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It looks like the pointy end of Tegan's head has hollowed them all out.

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She is conical for this story.

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Like a big nib.

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They're always doing this, aren't they?

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Coming out of the box with a torch.

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You never saw torches before.

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Now they've got these lovely classy cylindrical, earth shocking and things.

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Well, they can only do overlit or underlit.

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They couldn't do just right.

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This is true.

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So, but I do remember our Dave talking about the how much he loved the lighting in this.

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That's our Dave up there.

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And Mark, of course, is hogging the scenery.

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I don't know how he manages to do that.

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Oh, me moves more than anybody else.

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Twitching about.

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Yeah.

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Twitching about and there's several scenes where he just doesn't blink. from a day.

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How many other flightless hat chickens were, you know, hidden about his person?

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makes a man uncomfortable.

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I'm annoyed by the way that the uh, that the subtitles misspell the words suppose every time it appears.

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We must mention that constantly then each time because that's got me angry already and I haven't even noticed it.

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I love the way Peter Davidson always ducks down in a hurry.

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Oh, yeah, he does it really well.

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Right behind, right behind those misspelt cases that say striker.

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You know, it's kind of really meant to say that.

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They kind of collapses out of shot, doesn't he?

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He does.

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Inflatable.

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It's like airplane.

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No, his hair takes slightly longer to go down than he does, which is...

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It's got a drag effect.

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Turn your fricking light off if you don't want to be seeing your nuts.

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Oh, whoops.

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I never noticed that before.

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Oh, everything is an 80s video, isn't it?

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Look at Steve Strange fading to gray.

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Who made that point?

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Was it Pip Madley?

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Oh, we all did back in the day.

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That was that was common parlance in my playground.

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Oh, and you got big hands.

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They're so reassuring.

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How is he holding the TARDIS?

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It just looks wrong.

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He's feeling up the...

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Isn't it, isn't the camera supposed to be in the light?

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Well.

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Can she see him?

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Creepy.

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It's very nice.

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There's a whole lot of antigenes in this, isn't there?

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There's a whole lot of stagey Shakespeare, silliness in this.

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I quite like.

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Everyone's full of portentous doom and stuffed doves.

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Here's the White Guardians exposition coma.

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Exposition coma.

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Tick the box, dear listener.

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Otherwise, there's Basil.

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Who did the frocks for this one?

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Young Brandon?

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Do we not?

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The frocks for this one were done by Dinah Collins.

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Yeah, well, who put in a lot of effort.

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When the console, um, yeah, yeah, she really wanted to research the proper historical stuff and the spacesuits we see later on in the stuff.

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Imagineering.

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Yes, the stuffed ducks as well, which Cyril Luckam found hilarious.

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Now, the reason that we...

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For the palindromes alone, the reason that the concert will just exploded was Mike, this was Mike Kelt's 1st story on Doctor Who, I believe, and he was so appalled by it, he asked JNT, do we have the budget to rebuild it?

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And JNT said maybe next season.

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And Mike said, right, can I blow it up then?

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And so they knew that this was the last time that they were going to, they were going to use it, which is why in the king's demons you get lots of close-up shots in the Tartars console room and not many wide shots because they had to paint over the scorch marks.

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Gee, these sailors do live in confined quarters, don't they?

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Yes, it must be very rough for them.

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It's all Latestian. creating all static.

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And there's Turlow wincing because he's right back at school.

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Who did the hair for this episode?

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we know?

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Cyril Lockham.

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It actually, yeah, it does actually feel like terror hawks, doesn't it?

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They've all got those really wrong wonkies, misshapen wigs and just slightly off.

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And and the revelation that Turlo's and Andrew Gum with those eyebrows.

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Any story now?

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You're right about him not blinking, Colin.

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What he got?

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What he got on his person that's Superclue, I think.

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Another one of Janet's chickens.

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So who do we have doing the makeup and hair and makeup?

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Hair and makeup is Gene Stewart, and she is joined by Carolyn Perry for the remainder of the story when we start seeing people from more cultures, if you like, or impersonating more cultures, as the case may be.

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Appropriating more cultures.

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Quite literally because, you know, they're nicking them.

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I do love this episode.

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I know it's slow and long, but it really just builds up to that great reveal.

245
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Just the whole concept coming together.

246
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Just, it's really good.

247
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I really loved it at the time.

248
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The pace is great, isn't it?

249
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The slowness of it.

250
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It's sapphire and steel with things happening.

251
00:14:01.500 --> 00:14:04.679
There's Barry from EastEnders.

252
00:14:04.740 --> 00:14:05.759
Ooh, it is too.

253
00:14:05.820 --> 00:14:11.700
Barry from EastEnders. from extras. really good in there.

254
00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:13.019
He's one of the good guys, isn't he?

255
00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:18.299
As a kid, I found this episode quite dull. but I was mourning the loss of Misa.

256
00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:19.860
Oh, yeah, of course.

257
00:14:19.919 --> 00:14:20.879
It's always a thing isn't it?

258
00:14:20.940 --> 00:14:21.480
Yeah.

259
00:14:21.539 --> 00:14:24.120
And so I actually found...

260
00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:25.980
She would have really added...

261
00:14:25.980 --> 00:14:27.600
She would have stayed in the TARDS.

262
00:14:27.720 --> 00:14:31.259
She would have held that torch with a surety as she stepped out.

263
00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:33.000
Tell me biogenesis would have come in.

264
00:14:33.059 --> 00:14:34.740
That's it.

265
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A major plot point.

266
00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:43.799
It is just an incredible cliffhanger revelation though, isn't it?

267
00:14:43.860 --> 00:14:45.659
Janet looks so disturbed, you answer.

268
00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:52.740
You can see how excited Janet actually is to be in it. smoking going on in the background too.

269
00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:53.700
Are they smoking?

270
00:14:53.759 --> 00:14:55.139
Yes, uprageous.

271
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That's been smoking for a long time after this, do they?

272
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On British television?

273
00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:04.559
I mean, you can still smoke, but it has to be period smoking.

274
00:15:04.620 --> 00:15:08.879
No, no, we're smoking in resurrection next year.

275
00:15:08.940 --> 00:15:11.159
It's everything in resurrection.

276
00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:13.440
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

277
00:15:13.500 --> 00:15:15.899
Like smoking was not banned at this point in British television.

278
00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:18.059
But it's not technically bad now.

279
00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:20.700
It's just dealt with a plot reason for it.

280
00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:24.299
Oh, hello, yeah.

281
00:15:25.139 --> 00:15:27.120
Mr. Creepy.

282
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How true.

283
00:15:30.179 --> 00:15:30.899
He's good though.

284
00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:34.139
He's very good. grind to date with that guy.

285
00:15:34.200 --> 00:15:37.919
He has that great matinee idol, British thick lips.

286
00:15:37.980 --> 00:15:38.759
Everything's too thick.

287
00:15:38.820 --> 00:15:40.200
What did you say, James?

288
00:15:40.259 --> 00:15:42.059
We're glossing over.

289
00:15:42.120 --> 00:15:42.720
No.

290
00:15:43.139 --> 00:15:45.240
So it looked like it.

291
00:15:45.779 --> 00:15:47.639
Could he read your mind?

292
00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:51.960
Well, what you were thinking, did you, darling?

293
00:15:52.019 --> 00:15:54.539
What a town my thoughts would tell.

294
00:15:55.500 --> 00:15:58.500
God, the sailors are all a bit rough, aren't they?

295
00:15:58.559 --> 00:15:59.399
It's a bit disappointing.

296
00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:03.179
Well, not that one next to Taylor.

297
00:16:03.179 --> 00:16:05.159
Less hello salary.

298
00:16:05.279 --> 00:16:06.059
So hell, no salad.

299
00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:14.580
Have they misspelt mariner as well?

300
00:16:14.580 --> 00:16:15.720
No, no.

301
00:16:15.779 --> 00:16:16.919
So Marin is felt with 2 R's.

302
00:16:16.980 --> 00:16:17.700
That's his name.

303
00:16:17.759 --> 00:16:18.240
Yeah.

304
00:16:18.299 --> 00:16:18.659
Yeah.

305
00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:24.179
It's it's the same confusion we have with Baron as well because there's 2 people called Baron in the cast.

306
00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:27.059
Hence the title of our flights for entirety episode on this one.

307
00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:32.759
So there's Linda Barron with 2 R's and then that other guy, Keith Barron with one.

308
00:16:32.820 --> 00:16:33.539
Is that right?

309
00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:34.980
Or the other way around, possibly.

310
00:16:35.279 --> 00:16:39.240
And Keith Barron is, is her mother, yes.

311
00:16:39.299 --> 00:16:40.259
Yes, yes.

312
00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:41.100
That's right.

313
00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:46.559
But there's a story, isn't there, about, we had to remount the shoot.

314
00:16:46.620 --> 00:16:47.700
Does anyone remember this?

315
00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:53.100
Yes, there was another captain person, nidge that was bollocked off.

316
00:16:53.159 --> 00:16:55.679
Can they cast someone else and then he had to pull out or died or something?

317
00:16:55.740 --> 00:16:57.179
Yeah, that's correct.

318
00:16:57.240 --> 00:16:58.860
It was Peter Salas.

319
00:16:58.919 --> 00:17:00.659
Yes, the lovely Peter Salis.

320
00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:17.640
Yeah, who had appeared in the Ice Warriors as scientist Penley, and was famous for Last of the Summer Wine, and later for playing Wallace in Wallace and Gromit, and he had to pull out because of the industrial action that affected Terminus, pushed the shooting dates back for this.

321
00:17:17.700 --> 00:17:33.480
And there's a famous story where he came into rehearsal and the director, Uh, there's a famous story where he came into rehearsal and the director Fiona coming said, and then you walk over here and he said, oh, and oh, oh, no, I was told this was a sitting part.

322
00:17:33.539 --> 00:17:35.099
I don't do walking.

323
00:17:37.859 --> 00:17:42.299
And waited a good 10 seconds before getting up and walking to the spot.

324
00:17:43.559 --> 00:17:45.720
Jesus how old was he?

325
00:17:45.779 --> 00:17:48.779
No, no, I think he was just, he was tormenting her.

326
00:17:49.740 --> 00:17:53.519
I think Keith Barron's very good in this. very good.

327
00:17:53.579 --> 00:17:58.019
Just, he sells the part of an eternal, just being uncaring.

328
00:17:58.079 --> 00:18:01.559
We're just doing this, just a race for us.

329
00:18:01.619 --> 00:18:02.700
Everything else is entertainment.

330
00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:06.240
It is, I mean, it's about class as well, isn't it?

331
00:18:06.299 --> 00:18:07.619
The Eternals are upper class.

332
00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:12.599
I mean, there's a real sort of class colonialism thing going as usual.

333
00:18:12.660 --> 00:18:19.319
And so just the impassivity of the eternals is, you know, kind of class coded.

334
00:18:19.380 --> 00:18:24.059
They're the Jacob Rismoggs of the... the Southern world. right.

335
00:18:24.119 --> 00:18:26.940
Oh, God, imagine if he was eternal.

336
00:18:27.299 --> 00:18:29.519
Imagine if he was straight.

337
00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:31.019
I don't think he's convincing anybody.

338
00:18:31.079 --> 00:18:33.960
Imagine if you'd like the Eternals run Brexit.

339
00:18:34.619 --> 00:18:36.599
Couldn't get involved.

340
00:18:36.660 --> 00:18:38.519
It does feel like a metaphor, doesn't it?

341
00:18:38.579 --> 00:18:39.000
Yeah.

342
00:18:39.059 --> 00:18:39.660
No I think it is.

343
00:18:39.720 --> 00:18:40.440
I mean, you know.

344
00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:45.900
He is a creeper though, isn't he?

345
00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:47.400
Well, at least he's not looking at a rack.

346
00:18:47.460 --> 00:18:48.900
Captain.

347
00:18:55.140 --> 00:18:56.099
I do like, sorry.

348
00:18:56.160 --> 00:19:01.259
Yeah, and I just want to know why she's not allowed to actually have breasts for this season. but go on, Colin.

349
00:19:01.319 --> 00:19:03.059
It wasn't going to be about that.

350
00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:09.119
No, I like I like the story arc over the next, these 3 or 4 episodes.

351
00:19:09.180 --> 00:19:14.220
I like the way at the end he does the Star Trek thing and says, what is this thing called love and all that?

352
00:19:14.279 --> 00:19:15.000
Spoiler.

353
00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:16.740
He's this thing called, love.

354
00:19:21.420 --> 00:19:25.500
Oh, that's the cheeky one. like the cheeky one with the bead. probably dead now.

355
00:19:25.559 --> 00:19:27.059
It's all the fun ones.

356
00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:28.859
The fun ones tend to die at sea.

357
00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:30.180
He's probably playing daddies now.

358
00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:34.319
Oh, look at his little cheeky little rubicund face.

359
00:19:34.380 --> 00:19:35.819
I can't understand what...

360
00:19:35.819 --> 00:19:38.160
Little bit of Dutch, little bit of Dutch love, he's saying.

361
00:19:38.339 --> 00:19:39.960
Dutch in you.

362
00:19:43.019 --> 00:19:43.440
Yes.

363
00:19:44.579 --> 00:19:50.160
Yes, well, Turo's managed to keep his school uniform on, which is miraculous for the...

364
00:19:50.279 --> 00:19:52.799
I'm wearing mine now. time and settings, yes you are, actually, aren't you?

365
00:19:52.859 --> 00:19:53.460
Yes.

366
00:19:53.519 --> 00:20:00.240
Yes, and they're pointing into the pipe and Peter Davidson is conspicuous by having his jumper do all of his acting for this scene.

367
00:20:01.079 --> 00:20:04.200
And then we'll give give Turlow a tickle.

368
00:20:04.259 --> 00:20:08.519
This is as close to Homeroticism as you got in classic Doctor Who.

369
00:20:08.579 --> 00:20:10.079
Oh I don't know.

370
00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:14.940
I think there's Those guys in nappies.

371
00:20:15.059 --> 00:20:15.900
Have you seen the Daleks?

372
00:20:16.319 --> 00:20:18.359
Vengeance on Barrow.

373
00:20:18.420 --> 00:20:18.900
Exactly.

374
00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:24.180
It's not exactly Brendan and Peter in canine and company with the ropes.

375
00:20:24.299 --> 00:20:25.980
Honking like mad.

376
00:20:32.099 --> 00:20:33.539
Hoop quartered.

377
00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:34.200
Yes.

378
00:20:34.259 --> 00:20:35.759
That's not a real word.

379
00:20:35.819 --> 00:20:37.380
Got dark really quickly.

380
00:20:41.579 --> 00:20:45.359
Soul, junk and hard tech, bags, turtle, be the junk.

381
00:20:45.420 --> 00:20:46.859
Yeah, title of our sex tape.

382
00:20:51.059 --> 00:20:53.039
Oh yeah, there you go.

383
00:20:53.099 --> 00:20:56.759
You go from that line about what the sailors are eating to this room full of the time.

384
00:20:56.819 --> 00:20:57.660
I love this moment.

385
00:21:02.700 --> 00:21:06.299
Did he just see her?

386
00:21:12.359 --> 00:21:13.259
Yeah.

387
00:21:14.279 --> 00:21:17.099
I think we should be doing script I was reading.

388
00:21:17.160 --> 00:21:23.339
Yes, I think we should be doing the voices to assist the listeners, so we're just bothering to listen to this. can't do an Australian accent.

389
00:21:23.400 --> 00:21:25.380
Twiver could she.

390
00:21:26.460 --> 00:21:33.480
But I'll say this, it's a much different Tegan than a year ago when she would have been screaming and shouting at this and doing your heels in.

391
00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:37.019
I really, really like her.

392
00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:38.160
I really do too.

393
00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:40.079
She gets better. spot the moment, didn't you?

394
00:21:40.140 --> 00:21:41.579
Yeah, when she's drunk, yeah.

395
00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:43.380
Yeah, that story that brain down loves.

396
00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:45.900
Well, she's Australian. after all.

397
00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:46.799
Here he is.

398
00:21:46.859 --> 00:21:48.299
Yeah, marvellous.

399
00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:54.119
There is a sense that they don't.

400
00:21:54.119 --> 00:21:54.900
The 2 behind him.

401
00:21:54.960 --> 00:22:03.660
Yeah, they don't actually achieve animation until they have contact with mortals. until they're observed by mortals and then they I always loved that.

402
00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:10.559
Oh, changing the costume?

403
00:22:10.619 --> 00:22:11.220
Patelo?

404
00:22:11.519 --> 00:22:14.160
Have they have they refrocked him?

405
00:22:14.220 --> 00:22:16.259
No, he's got a lovely hat on.

406
00:22:16.380 --> 00:22:18.539
He's like the new Malibu Malibu Stacy.

407
00:22:20.519 --> 00:22:22.619
But how's she different?

408
00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:23.339
She has a hat.

409
00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:28.259
Oh, I know how this video ends. there you go.

410
00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:30.720
That's not quite it, but still.

411
00:22:30.779 --> 00:22:33.000
Why are they all getting along so well?

412
00:22:33.059 --> 00:22:33.720
They're a crew.

413
00:22:34.500 --> 00:22:37.019
Yeah, well, you know.

414
00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:43.200
There's all sorts of team building activities that they can do at the end of their shift.

415
00:22:46.259 --> 00:22:48.599
I like that very modern window in the background.

416
00:22:48.660 --> 00:22:49.920
Yeah, that's odd, isn't it?

417
00:22:49.980 --> 00:22:52.079
Was it the 1st time he says Braveheart to take?

418
00:22:52.920 --> 00:22:54.599
I don't know.

419
00:22:54.839 --> 00:22:57.240
It did say, yeah, for sure yeah.

420
00:23:00.299 --> 00:23:05.460
No, the set design is really good on this one and the historical accuracy is there.

421
00:23:05.519 --> 00:23:08.279
Yeah, they put a lot of effort into that.

422
00:23:08.339 --> 00:23:11.700
They did, and this one, and the one iPhone window, they did.

423
00:23:11.819 --> 00:23:19.799
It is, they did have steel, they were using steel frame windows on the audience ships, so, you know, it's just a, it's 1901, I think, supposed to be.

424
00:23:19.859 --> 00:23:23.460
It is the most minuscule dining room, but I guess we're on a boat.

425
00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:24.359
So that's all right.

426
00:23:24.420 --> 00:23:27.779
I love this other bit as well in a minute where Pete is really, really hungry.

427
00:23:27.900 --> 00:23:28.619
Here we go.

428
00:23:28.680 --> 00:23:30.839
It's like, nope, I'm staying here.

429
00:23:32.220 --> 00:23:34.920
I haven't been able to eat on screen.

430
00:23:35.039 --> 00:23:37.500
That's true. year and a half .

431
00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:40.619
It doesn't have a lot of luck, usually served in the BBC canteen.

432
00:23:40.680 --> 00:23:40.980
I guess.

433
00:23:41.819 --> 00:23:46.619
There we go Wasn't the BBC canteen known for having actually decent food?

434
00:23:47.460 --> 00:23:52.380
I don't know, but it was always a gag every, like, the 2 Ronnies or everything.

435
00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:52.859
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

436
00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:56.279
I was I was thinking that was a boom. not. lantern.

437
00:23:57.420 --> 00:24:02.579
Now, for the dear kind listeners at home, we remember him from the 1960s, don't we?

438
00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:04.019
It's Chaffier.

439
00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:04.500
Yes, we do.

440
00:24:04.619 --> 00:24:06.720
One in the big...

441
00:24:06.779 --> 00:24:07.920
Yes.

442
00:24:07.980 --> 00:24:09.960
Do we all recall from?

443
00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:11.940
Brendan?

444
00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:13.380
Tony Caunter.

445
00:24:13.380 --> 00:24:19.259
Yes. who is also famous for Zed cars. which conflicted with this, in fact.

446
00:24:19.319 --> 00:24:30.359
So pretty much a Doctor Who at this point was being recorded out of sequence, but in terms of him, all of his scenes for every episode were recorded in the same recording session.

447
00:24:30.420 --> 00:24:31.980
So he could get back to Zed cars.

448
00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:34.380
So how late did Zedcars run?

449
00:24:34.440 --> 00:24:37.319
Um, That is a good question.

450
00:24:37.380 --> 00:24:38.160
Okay.

451
00:24:38.220 --> 00:24:40.200
But a long time.

452
00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:45.480
Did it overlap with the bill, because that would have been 9 years. be 900 years.

453
00:24:45.539 --> 00:24:48.119
Well, see, 110,000 years.

454
00:24:49.559 --> 00:24:51.420
Sorry, Richard.

455
00:24:57.480 --> 00:25:09.180
There's all these little clues going on, like, um, wetsuits on a awardian sailing ship and all these things that sort of gradually make you think it's not quite what it's supposed to be.

456
00:25:09.180 --> 00:25:10.559
Oh, there we go.

457
00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:11.640
I like that.

458
00:25:14.700 --> 00:25:16.500
It makes you feel clever when you're proven correct.

459
00:25:16.559 --> 00:25:17.519
Yeah.

460
00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:23.099
I mean, this is very similar, isn't it, to Carnival of Monsters?

461
00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:30.900
One, in that you're made to think you're in a historical time period and then you discover, no, it's a sort of science fiction thing.

462
00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:34.799
But, um, Carnival of Monsters, which I think is a better story than this.

463
00:25:34.859 --> 00:25:36.839
And doesn't have head chickens?

464
00:25:36.900 --> 00:25:37.680
No.

465
00:25:37.740 --> 00:25:40.980
Well, he does box chickens, got caged chickens.

466
00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:41.460
Yeah.

467
00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:43.200
So this is one up then, isn't it?

468
00:25:43.259 --> 00:25:55.079
Well, and I think this reveal, too, the reveal at the end of episode one is spectacularly interesting in a way that just some dumbass puppet monster, you know, bursting through the time.

469
00:25:55.079 --> 00:25:57.660
Spoilers.

470
00:25:58.740 --> 00:26:00.599
And here we go.

471
00:26:03.660 --> 00:26:05.339
It's a single...

472
00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:08.640
What's she doing with the Sinclair on an Igwardian racing yacht?

473
00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:11.279
You're what I sketch.

474
00:26:11.339 --> 00:26:14.400
Right in time with her lips just said it was fantastic.

475
00:26:17.460 --> 00:26:18.660
Oh, wow.

476
00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:20.160
Devastating.

477
00:26:20.640 --> 00:26:23.700
Actually, really good special effects. really good.

478
00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:24.480
That isn't bad.

479
00:26:24.539 --> 00:26:27.900
They look better than the CG versions on the special edition.

480
00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:30.599
I think the CG version though is pretty good.

481
00:26:30.660 --> 00:26:35.460
If they took all the CG from the special edition. and inserted it into this and replaced it.

482
00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:38.940
That would have made a better thing than doing a special edition, I think.

483
00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:40.859
Yeah, the special edition's not very good.

484
00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:51.180
But the, um, that shot where the camera's going along in front of the ships so that you've got a real sense of how many they are and how they are in relation to one another.

485
00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:52.859
I think is really good.

486
00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:54.720
And there's lots of racing shots as well.

487
00:26:54.779 --> 00:26:56.160
You can see the ships going really, really fast.

488
00:26:56.339 --> 00:26:59.759
Whereas in this, they're sort of just fluttering around a bit.

489
00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:03.299
Can I issue a correction?

490
00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:07.259
Oh, because ZedCars ended in 1978.

491
00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:09.000
Of course, this is 1982.

492
00:27:09.180 --> 00:27:10.380
Juliet Bravo.

493
00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:11.880
Juliet Bravo.

494
00:27:11.940 --> 00:27:13.500
He was a lead in Juliet Bravo.

495
00:27:13.920 --> 00:27:17.099
I think we're now up to the 7th Juliet.

496
00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:19.619
There's been 7 Juliet so far.

497
00:27:19.740 --> 00:27:28.680
For some reason, that's a running gag on Twitter at the moment. everyone's treating Juliet Bravo like it's Doctor Who, and there's been 7 Juliet. and, you know, the 3rd Juliet.

498
00:27:28.740 --> 00:27:31.319
I didn't even know what Juliet Bravo is listeners.

499
00:27:31.380 --> 00:27:34.500
It's kind of like a forerunner to the bill almost.

500
00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:35.819
But with a woman.

501
00:27:36.539 --> 00:27:38.579
It was groundbreaking.

502
00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:40.559
Okay, so he's part two.

503
00:27:40.859 --> 00:27:43.980
Are we swapping microphones around or are we happy?

504
00:27:44.220 --> 00:27:54.720
Well, Todd has swapped his microphone to me, but we will be sharing when he wants something, he's he's got a very sharp shock stick that he's going to poke me with.

505
00:27:55.259 --> 00:27:58.019
That stick is not with you.

506
00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:02.099
Little does he know that's like my favourite thing.

507
00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:08.579
My favourite thing is Janet in the rubber chicken for this episode.

508
00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:13.140
It's nothing like a bit of light electrocution on a Saturday morning.

509
00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:15.900
Can I just say DVD controversy?

510
00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:22.259
It's actually the wrong girth of font that in the recreated titles.

511
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:24.660
It's not quite thick enough. did notice that.

512
00:28:25.140 --> 00:28:27.839
Naughty, naughty restoration team.

513
00:28:27.900 --> 00:28:34.200
I'm also noticing just as little tony, little bit of picture distortion, which will hopefully be sorted out with the Blu-ray.

514
00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:36.000
Sorry, the tone of my voice.

515
00:28:36.059 --> 00:28:37.019
They're alarmed not.

516
00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:38.519
What you mean?

517
00:28:38.579 --> 00:28:44.339
Um, I'm just seeing little sort of digital artefacts, which I think will be cleaned up for Blu-ray.

518
00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:46.559
Are you talking about the horizontals?

519
00:28:47.339 --> 00:28:50.519
Yeah, especially down the bottom of the screen, you might be able to notice.

520
00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:58.259
I mean, hopefully, dear listener, you can't at home, possibly because it's being upscaled through a PS4 Pro, I believe.

521
00:28:58.319 --> 00:28:59.640
Is that a pro, James?

522
00:28:59.700 --> 00:29:00.839
Yes, I've only got the standard one.

523
00:29:00.900 --> 00:29:01.920
All pros here.

524
00:29:01.980 --> 00:29:03.539
It's funny how the other side live.

525
00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:05.279
Old pros.

526
00:29:05.339 --> 00:29:06.720
Just what you said.

527
00:29:06.779 --> 00:29:07.619
Oh, dear.

528
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:07.980
Yes.

529
00:29:08.099 --> 00:29:09.960
Poor Janet just looked at the next script.

530
00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:20.339
So I know we can't hear it, but I want to say how awesome I think the music is.

531
00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:24.480
This entire thing, I think it's... apart from that.

532
00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:31.319
For some reason, I've just got the harp music from 5 doctors in my head constantly.

533
00:29:31.380 --> 00:29:32.640
Hard to rustle on, again.

534
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:34.980
Is it Patty Kingsland?

535
00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:35.579
The story.

536
00:29:35.579 --> 00:29:36.599
It's Malcolm Clark.

537
00:29:36.660 --> 00:29:37.500
Oh, oh.

538
00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:39.180
Have we forgiven him now?

539
00:29:39.240 --> 00:29:41.460
Well, I think this is I think this is his good one.

540
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:44.579
I was hoping for a sea devil's rift.

541
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:48.119
You were very cross about sea devils.

542
00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:49.440
Really distracting.

543
00:29:49.500 --> 00:29:50.160
Yeah, yeah.

544
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:52.319
A lot. shall I do it?

545
00:29:52.380 --> 00:29:52.859
Yes.

546
00:29:58.019 --> 00:30:00.599
That's what this.

547
00:30:00.660 --> 00:30:02.940
I'm hoping the chicken hats will start.

548
00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:06.059
Should we all do the London saxophone quarter as well?

549
00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:12.720
Back to the action.

550
00:30:12.779 --> 00:30:15.180
You are our guest, not our prisoners.

551
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:17.700
Oh, that's always warming to hear that in it.

552
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:18.839
Oh, yes.

553
00:30:18.900 --> 00:30:21.059
Oh, and she's got lost to see, lady.

554
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:25.140
She actually spends most of the season being hungover.

555
00:30:25.140 --> 00:30:26.640
What is it?

556
00:30:26.700 --> 00:30:27.599
Rohypnol.

557
00:30:30.660 --> 00:30:36.599
Even I'm not going to drink that, and I got drunk at Cranley Manor, where a woman locked up her disabled son.

558
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:40.559
No, I will not let it go.

559
00:30:40.980 --> 00:30:42.839
It's good to know.

560
00:30:42.900 --> 00:30:43.559
Good to know.

561
00:30:43.619 --> 00:30:45.299
I love this room.

562
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:49.019
I love all the little touches that it's like, you know, There's quite a few little touches.

563
00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:50.400
And those other...

564
00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:51.599
Thanks, Richard.

565
00:30:52.380 --> 00:30:57.539
Yeah, but I like those little coolbacks, like, you know, aren't even necessary and all the other stuff.

566
00:30:57.599 --> 00:30:58.500
Oh, here we sorry.

567
00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:02.940
And what was lovely with the upcoming photo of Auntie Vanessa.

568
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:06.779
They actually got Dolore in and paid her for a photo shoot.

569
00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:08.579
It's not just her spotlight headshot.

570
00:31:08.700 --> 00:31:10.440
They specialise.

571
00:31:10.500 --> 00:31:11.160
Exactly.

572
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:17.460
Like, you know, they could have they could have at least got her in the same hat, the lovely hat she was wearing when she was hideously murdered.

573
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:20.460
They should put the doll on it. bedside table as well.

574
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:26.579
Aunt even Nessa, you're just like I remember you.

575
00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:28.079
But smaller.

576
00:31:34.140 --> 00:31:35.160
Oh.

577
00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:37.140
Keep your knees together, love.

578
00:31:37.259 --> 00:31:38.819
Mrs. frocks in the background?

579
00:31:38.940 --> 00:31:39.539
There she is.

580
00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:40.019
There she is.

581
00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:41.700
There she is, honey, Vivisa.

582
00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:45.059
No, it's...

583
00:31:45.059 --> 00:31:47.039
She's got a bloody, of course, they put...

584
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:50.160
Romana's chair, yeah.

585
00:31:50.220 --> 00:31:51.599
Oh, a planet.

586
00:31:51.660 --> 00:31:53.940
Actually, that could have been Cyril Luckam's old chair.

587
00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:55.319
I wonder where he stuffed turkeys.

588
00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:02.220
Where's his where's his absinthe gimlet that he was drinking?

589
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:02.759
Oh, yes.

590
00:32:02.819 --> 00:32:04.019
Sorry, gim...

591
00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:06.059
You can say that, I'm having one.

592
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:06.599
Oh, hello.

593
00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:09.960
I was going to say, it's Magneto.

594
00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:13.380
It's Ian McKellen when he could pull it off.

595
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:16.500
Well, it could be...

596
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:18.900
I'm not sure it is him because he's covering his crotch.

597
00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:19.920
Yeah, that's true.

598
00:32:19.980 --> 00:32:21.599
Oh, there you go.

599
00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:23.700
She missed it the 1st time.

600
00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:25.079
Just at the right moment.

601
00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:28.980
Zooming in on that red ruby thing.

602
00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:34.079
No, it's not a Nicola Bryant's photo shoot.

603
00:32:34.140 --> 00:32:35.339
This is a pub.

604
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:38.039
To focus on that ring, that red ring.

605
00:32:38.099 --> 00:32:39.000
Yes.

606
00:32:39.059 --> 00:32:39.839
I didn't see it.

607
00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:42.420
No, you're looking at something else.

608
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:45.420
But as a kid, it's like, why, like, it just stood out.

609
00:32:45.420 --> 00:32:47.339
Like, I remember going, why are they focussing on that?

610
00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:49.019
Right.

611
00:32:49.019 --> 00:32:51.900
So later on, you feel special that you work it out.

612
00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:53.519
Thanks for flagging that, Fiona coming.

613
00:32:53.579 --> 00:32:57.660
Is that Cyril Lockham's chair from...

614
00:32:57.660 --> 00:32:59.160
It feels like a joining.

615
00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:03.000
I'm sorry.

616
00:33:03.059 --> 00:33:07.319
I will say Mark Strickson checked out for a second.

617
00:33:07.380 --> 00:33:09.839
Yeah, well, you were looking at the Greek.

618
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:20.819
Mark Strickson, when he comes in, when he discovers the drink and Tegan unconscious, he does do this little, just this little facial thing of, 0 my God, she's been drugged. have to help her.

619
00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:29.819
He does sell the complexity of his character in these 3 stories of someone who has to, has to do something horrible that doesn't really want to.

620
00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:35.099
And I can see why Mark became frustrated where literally from next week onwards.

621
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:36.900
He's basically just locked in a room everywhere.

622
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:40.619
Oh that is a nice picture.

623
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:42.420
Was she ever in prisoner?

624
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:44.039
She certainly looks like she should have been.

625
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:45.359
She was in prison, I'd say.

626
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:55.740
She doesn't talk about, does Auntie Vanessa get any sort of dialogue, name check and dialogue or anything?

627
00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:56.039
No.

628
00:33:56.099 --> 00:33:58.380
Well, she just, she just said, it's my, I don't believe it.

629
00:33:58.440 --> 00:33:59.099
Auntie.

630
00:33:59.160 --> 00:33:59.460
Oh, okay.

631
00:33:59.519 --> 00:33:59.819
Yeah.

632
00:33:59.880 --> 00:34:01.859
You know, she doesn't say...

633
00:34:01.859 --> 00:34:03.359
Thanks for joining us, Nathan.

634
00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:17.039
You know, she doesn't say, she was killed by the master, who's an evil time lord from the planet Galafre, the constellation of Casturberus, who shrunk her when I met the doctor, and we went to Lagopolis, and I demanded to know where the toilet was.

635
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:19.860
Yeah.

636
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:22.619
Well, say what isn't riding this week. though, is he?

637
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:26.340
There we go.

638
00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:28.079
That's our line.

639
00:34:31.619 --> 00:34:33.239
Beautiful.

640
00:34:33.300 --> 00:34:34.920
He's so good.

641
00:34:34.980 --> 00:34:37.440
Well, he just, exactly, by doing almost nothing.

642
00:34:37.500 --> 00:34:38.159
Yeah, yeah.

643
00:34:38.219 --> 00:34:41.760
And the concept that there's someone more powerful out there than the time lords.

644
00:34:41.820 --> 00:34:43.980
Well, at the moment, it's that Mr. Dyson.

645
00:34:44.099 --> 00:34:45.659
Put your hat on.

646
00:34:45.780 --> 00:34:47.340
A Dyson hat.

647
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:49.679
He's with a back back on the back.

648
00:34:49.739 --> 00:34:51.719
That's why there's no dust on this ship.

649
00:34:51.780 --> 00:34:52.980
Sheep.

650
00:34:56.460 --> 00:35:05.159
I like that they're, that they're, um, more powerful than the Time Lords, but they basically don't interact with Doctor Who's mythology in any way.

651
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:06.900
Like they don't do anything.

652
00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:08.400
They have no position.

653
00:35:08.460 --> 00:35:09.420
They're not from a planet.

654
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:12.300
They're not, you know there's literally nothing that we know about them.

655
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:17.639
They get name checked again, maybe in, I want to say, army of ghosts.

656
00:35:17.699 --> 00:35:18.659
Really?

657
00:35:18.659 --> 00:35:22.679
Yeah, but basically, they're just this thing.

658
00:35:22.739 --> 00:35:23.699
And I love that.

659
00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:24.239
More of that.

660
00:35:24.300 --> 00:35:26.460
Don't worry, I'm sure there's a...

661
00:35:26.460 --> 00:35:31.260
For series, box set, coming.

662
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:36.360
Maybe the frog from last week's Doctor Who, the puppet frog, was an eternal.

663
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:56.099
The reason they were able to get Tony Corner, who was an in demand actor and part of a popular drama to play this role, which feels like a small role, is because in this episode, all this stuff about the rum cabinet was added at a very late stage because the script for episode 2 was underrunning.

664
00:35:56.159 --> 00:36:01.980
And once they added that and expanded the part, they realised we can approach an actor of Tony Corner's calibre.

665
00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:04.139
But it's all, who likes rum?

666
00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:12.719
But it's also why once the rum cabinet subplot is out of the way, he kind of only has one or 2 more lines.

667
00:36:12.780 --> 00:36:13.679
Yeah.

668
00:36:15.420 --> 00:36:39.780
I think there's something spectacularly romantic as well about having the race take place in the solar system and go past Venus and stuff rather than going past, you know, Rascu, Al, Colos or whatever the hell, you know, like, um, it's, it's just sort of terribly, terribly, you know, it's not very science fiction-y.

669
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:46.320
Yeah, and it doesn't, it doesn't go into that territory of like, we're flying into Earth, like, with the queen waving at you, you know.

670
00:36:46.380 --> 00:36:47.579
It's just there.

671
00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:49.019
Who would ever do that?

672
00:36:54.300 --> 00:37:07.440
I also like that there's, and I'm hoping it's just brilliant casting, but probably just a fluke, that there's kind of an Aryan similarity between Keith Baron and Mr. Stroker, sorry, Striker.

673
00:37:07.500 --> 00:37:09.659
It's the Australian expert.

674
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:10.079
Stroker?

675
00:37:10.139 --> 00:37:11.159
didn't even look it up.

676
00:37:14.219 --> 00:37:16.679
Oh, the 2 Ronnies are on when, Colin?

677
00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:19.920
9 o'clock on BBC One.

678
00:37:19.980 --> 00:37:22.380
When are we doing the 2 Ronnies podcast?

679
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:23.880
We're doing it now, darling.

680
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:27.719
Isn't that Nathan's line?

681
00:37:27.780 --> 00:37:28.739
Sorry.

682
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:30.420
I know.

683
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:34.920
This is, you know, it's a new leveller friend of the podcast.

684
00:37:34.980 --> 00:37:39.300
It's like kind of like wife of the podcast. like that.

685
00:37:40.739 --> 00:37:43.440
You think they're not bad, are they?

686
00:37:43.500 --> 00:37:44.460
Oh, they're beautiful.

687
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:45.000
Yeah, yeah.

688
00:37:45.059 --> 00:37:50.760
What I haven't even looked at the CG version. doesn't blink at all, but...

689
00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:54.960
Oh, he is now. for like 3 people.

690
00:37:55.019 --> 00:37:56.880
And then the Eternals take their hats off.

691
00:37:56.940 --> 00:38:01.079
And it's like, this is all a game to them, but they're respecting it.

692
00:38:01.139 --> 00:38:05.280
They're going, they're like full on cosplay and, you know, acting the part.

693
00:38:05.340 --> 00:38:06.480
That's gamesmanship.

694
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:22.139
But only for the Eternals that have just died, not for humans. good point Yeah, yeah, it's kind of like winnership winnership blows up all, you know, sinks to use earth parlance.

695
00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:24.300
You take your hat off and you observe a moment.

696
00:38:24.420 --> 00:38:29.400
You don't feel the emotion of the moment because we know they can't feel emotion, but that's what you do.

697
00:38:29.460 --> 00:38:30.420
It is the dumb thing.

698
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:33.539
And yeah, everything they do is because it's the dumb thing.

699
00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:34.199
Right.

700
00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:34.559
Yeah.

701
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:39.659
That's a nice shot Look at his, look at Mark Strickson's eyebrow.

702
00:38:39.780 --> 00:38:42.059
But isn't that great?

703
00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:45.480
Who's doing Janet's makeup this week?

704
00:38:45.539 --> 00:38:46.860
She looks really pale.

705
00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:50.219
The lights in her dressing room were out.

706
00:38:50.820 --> 00:38:53.699
She wasn't the one with the torch.

707
00:38:54.179 --> 00:39:02.639
It's funny, from behind, she always looks like, was it, with this haircut, I mean, was it, um, was it Jill in Day of the Triffords?

708
00:39:02.699 --> 00:39:03.840
Was that her character name?

709
00:39:03.900 --> 00:39:07.559
Always makes me think of her when I see Janet with this haircut.

710
00:39:07.619 --> 00:39:10.500
Dragged through a hedge backwards.

711
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:17.099
Well, now that Adrick's not on the show anymore, they don't need to dye her hair red so that they can be told apart.

712
00:39:19.260 --> 00:39:20.880
No, really.

713
00:39:20.940 --> 00:39:21.840
That's what John did.

714
00:39:21.900 --> 00:39:22.800
That's what John said.

715
00:39:22.860 --> 00:39:27.599
And Mark Strickson gets the same treatment, so he doesn't look like Peter Davidson in long shot.

716
00:39:27.659 --> 00:39:33.960
Despite the fact, you know, he's about 5 inches shorter and wearing a completely opposite coloured costume.

717
00:39:37.019 --> 00:39:39.900
I think JNT just fancy gingers that week.

718
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:46.500
It doesn't feel dated so much as it feels period and is there a distinction between the two?

719
00:39:46.559 --> 00:39:55.380
I can, I know this is 80s TV without, I can step aside from this being Doctor Who and I can feel the period that it's made in.

720
00:39:55.739 --> 00:40:07.260
And therefore, and it could be this use of long static shots, the way the actors stand and direct their talking at each other.

721
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:11.099
A well-cooked meal just out there.

722
00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:13.860
And I had to leave it to come here and throw these lines at you.

723
00:40:14.699 --> 00:40:18.780
You're no Beryl Reed in a sock, even if you tried.

724
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:25.079
You can hear him.

725
00:40:28.139 --> 00:40:38.699
Yeah, it's it's the tragedy of of Davidson that this, you can tell this is where he's really starting to enjoy the role, but he's also, he's already had to resign.

726
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:43.139
Um, or rather opt not to continue after next series.

727
00:40:43.260 --> 00:40:45.599
And you know, he said he said in interviews.

728
00:40:45.659 --> 00:40:47.159
It was at the end of the 2nd year.

729
00:40:47.219 --> 00:40:50.579
I started getting scripts that I thought, you know, 0 yeah, I can sync my date.

730
00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:51.300
Well, actually good.

731
00:40:51.360 --> 00:41:00.780
But, you know, by that time, I think it was possibly even during, it was before the 5 doctors. that they announced that he'd be leaving before the end of the next series.

732
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:01.920
So it's not far off.

733
00:41:01.980 --> 00:41:05.579
And so at this point he knows he's going.

734
00:41:05.820 --> 00:41:09.840
Possibly not in production, but around the time of broadcast.

735
00:41:12.900 --> 00:41:14.639
Oh, he's got that bathroom tap again.

736
00:41:14.699 --> 00:41:16.139
Not even once.

737
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:21.840
I didn't I didn't know that Turlo had an ice addiction.

738
00:41:21.900 --> 00:41:23.340
Oh.

739
00:41:24.300 --> 00:41:26.219
I'm Morton.

740
00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:27.480
Please welcome to the stage.

741
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:32.519
What meth addiction?

742
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:36.420
Crystal Beth.

743
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:42.659
It's Mariner's drag name, is it?

744
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:43.079
Yes.

745
00:41:43.860 --> 00:41:46.500
These scenes are amazing.

746
00:41:46.619 --> 00:41:48.539
These 2 together.

747
00:41:48.780 --> 00:41:52.380
Um, Janet and Christopher Brown.

748
00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:55.739
Uh, it's sort of in my head, Canon.

749
00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:59.280
Chameleon should have taken the form of Christopher Brown.

750
00:41:59.340 --> 00:42:01.739
Yeah, kind of doing it. in this episode.

751
00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:02.639
Is he even in it?

752
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:05.219
Well, no, no, he's not around here. he's coming next week.

753
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:08.159
Yeah, it's like, you know, when they're like, oh, we can't operate the robot.

754
00:42:08.219 --> 00:42:17.159
I think they should have asked Christopher Brown back and said, okay, Chameleon reaches into Tegan's mind and because he likes messing with people, he chooses a form that's going to creep her out.

755
00:42:17.219 --> 00:42:17.579
Yeah.

756
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:19.139
You've really thought about this.

757
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:21.659
Yeah, and then he spends a year sexually harassing him.

758
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:23.760
From a cupboard.

759
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:27.900
Just taking the form of Auntie Vanessa, literally.

760
00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:28.800
Volunteer.

761
00:42:34.860 --> 00:42:38.639
But there's lots of really nice variance on shots here.

762
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:40.199
Close-up crystal acting.

763
00:42:40.380 --> 00:42:42.539
I think it's really well directed.

764
00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:43.260
Yeah, it is.

765
00:42:43.260 --> 00:42:53.099
Have you seen the, um, there is a documentary on the DVD talking about the special edition, and poor old Fiona Cumming seems completely bewildered by the whole idea. technology and things.

766
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:55.079
And it just seems to have been...

767
00:42:55.139 --> 00:42:59.519
Yeah, where she seems to really have not had that much to do with it, I think.

768
00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:10.500
On the other hand, the 2 stories that get this treatment, which was Peter Davidson's idea of, you know, let's re-edit some of my stories as if they're the new series, the 2 stories that get the treatment are Fiona coming.

769
00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:16.500
So I think she was open to the idea if perhaps not quite understanding how the execution might be.

770
00:43:16.619 --> 00:43:17.579
I think that's fair enough.

771
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:18.119
What's the other one?

772
00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:20.340
Planet of Fire, which is dreadful.

773
00:43:20.460 --> 00:43:22.079
Yeah, yeah, that's a shocker.

774
00:43:22.139 --> 00:43:23.940
They get rid of the music.

775
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:27.659
They get rid of Peter Howell's school. brilliant school.

776
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:29.219
Yeah, and the, I'm sorry.

777
00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:37.980
And for this, a special edition of this, they insert lots of music that isn't Malcolm Clark into it, and it really does my head in because it doesn't fit at all.

778
00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:41.280
Yeah, it's just kind of stock, hornblower soundtrack.

779
00:43:41.340 --> 00:43:42.480
Yeah.

780
00:43:42.539 --> 00:43:46.920
We just missed Valentine Dial's comical, hilarious, bad laugh.

781
00:43:46.980 --> 00:43:48.239
They will come back.

782
00:43:48.300 --> 00:43:49.380
Yeah.

783
00:43:49.380 --> 00:43:54.480
Is Burgess Meredith?

784
00:43:54.539 --> 00:43:58.440
We just need you on the podcast all the time, Brandon, to do all of these.

785
00:43:58.500 --> 00:43:59.460
Just stop the whole thing.

786
00:43:59.820 --> 00:44:02.940
I'll get you to record a soundboard.

787
00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:06.420
I just press Brendan buttons.

788
00:44:07.860 --> 00:44:10.019
Oh, great shot.

789
00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:12.119
Excellent nap and good.

790
00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:19.860
Hmm.

791
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:28.500
There was lots of excited fan chat that we finally got the celestial toy maker reprise.

792
00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:29.519
We've always wanted.

793
00:44:29.579 --> 00:44:30.840
Do you remember all of that at the time?

794
00:44:30.900 --> 00:44:33.900
Finally look, they're just like the celestial toy maker.

795
00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:35.219
It was a big thing.

796
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:36.300
Really?

797
00:44:36.300 --> 00:44:36.960
racist.

798
00:44:37.019 --> 00:44:38.519
Well, that well, really?

799
00:44:40.380 --> 00:44:43.440
But the was stuff was going on.

800
00:44:43.500 --> 00:44:44.940
Remember TARDIS magazine?

801
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:47.099
Oh yes, it was terribly excitement.

802
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:51.599
It was such a weird period that I don't recall that to you, Brendan.

803
00:44:51.659 --> 00:44:53.219
Yeah, no, they're too young.

804
00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:57.780
But there was this sort of feeling that the celestial toy maker was an absolute sort of lost classic.

805
00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:00.480
Yeah, because no one had seen it.

806
00:45:00.539 --> 00:45:01.260
Yeah.

807
00:45:01.260 --> 00:45:05.280
Well, Gary Russell loved it and was writing about it at the time, in fact.

808
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:06.239
I'm saying it was...

809
00:45:06.300 --> 00:45:09.119
Now, now we've seen it, and it's shockingly...

810
00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:10.559
But for a child.

811
00:45:10.619 --> 00:45:11.880
It's the point of difference.

812
00:45:11.940 --> 00:45:16.440
And it was lampooning children's TV perfectly, the one-on-one thing.

813
00:45:16.500 --> 00:45:20.219
Give them exactly what they, what they see already and then make it horrid.

814
00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:26.820
I actually watched a bit of it during the week and 0 my god, Jackie Lane's accent is so bizarre.

815
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:33.780
Like it's so, so off-putting. and welcome to the stage Janet Fielding.

816
00:45:34.380 --> 00:45:38.039
I will say in terms of the celestial toy maker.

817
00:45:38.099 --> 00:45:43.619
It's in my bottom 5 TV stories, but the novelisation is excellent and it's scary.

818
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:45.000
It's Jerry Davis.

819
00:45:45.059 --> 00:45:46.380
Oh, and Alison Bingjman.

820
00:45:46.500 --> 00:45:48.719
I'm not some binge chicken.

821
00:45:48.780 --> 00:45:51.659
Yeah, I'm not sure who she is.

822
00:45:51.719 --> 00:46:01.440
Perhaps she was an editor or proofreader who ended up writing some of it because, you know, we do get stories that Jerry Davis isn't actually that good with pros in the 80s.

823
00:46:01.619 --> 00:46:05.280
But yeah, I see what you mean about.

824
00:46:05.340 --> 00:46:12.599
To me, Richard, this is kind of the celestial toy maker done right in that he's not making sort of corporeal.

825
00:46:12.659 --> 00:46:19.079
Oh, look, it's a toy, but he's making people into toys, but not in a sort of literal marionette kind of way.

826
00:46:19.139 --> 00:46:21.239
Well, not in a James mucky mouth way.

827
00:46:21.300 --> 00:46:23.460
Excuse me, I don't know what you mean.

828
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:25.500
I've never sworn in my life.

829
00:46:25.739 --> 00:46:28.199
Miss Mucky James.

830
00:46:28.260 --> 00:46:33.360
I'm going to suck you right off the deck, missing my Dyson space that you watch me.

831
00:46:35.219 --> 00:46:37.679
I could never be that filthy.

832
00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:39.840
Not on this podcast.

833
00:46:39.900 --> 00:46:45.239
Why has no one said, you've got a vegetable on your person.

834
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:47.460
He does.

835
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:49.139
Look at Mark Strickson in the back.

836
00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:49.739
Yes.

837
00:46:49.860 --> 00:46:51.659
Taking up.

838
00:46:51.659 --> 00:46:56.400
All the scenery he can. that's right Well, he's mugging really rather than an actor, isn't he?

839
00:46:56.519 --> 00:46:57.719
He did that a lot.

840
00:46:57.780 --> 00:46:59.039
He's looking at look at me.

841
00:46:59.099 --> 00:47:00.480
Are you looking at his face?

842
00:47:00.539 --> 00:47:01.139
Look at the face.

843
00:47:03.239 --> 00:47:11.699
I wonder if it's because, you know, with Mark Strickson's casting, he had the choice between doing Doctor Who and doing angels, which was very popular at the time.

844
00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:20.639
I wonder if he is just so determined that he's not going to slip into the background like Matthew Waterhouse and Sarah Sutton often did.

845
00:47:20.699 --> 00:47:22.380
And that's not critical of their performances.

846
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:28.139
But I think he's he's watched last season of Doctor Who and gone, right, I'm going to do it this way.

847
00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:35.519
Well, we've talked before about how a lot of classic companions are just the actor's performance, but he is he's got a character.

848
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:40.500
That other guy looks a bit like John Sim, that 3rd officer, that keeps coming around.

849
00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:43.139
I'm sorry, I was just trying to think who was he?

850
00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:44.340
And yeah, it just looks like...

851
00:47:44.340 --> 00:47:45.599
It's actually Sam Tyler.

852
00:47:45.659 --> 00:47:47.340
He's travel back in time.

853
00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:52.019
I love how disappointed the doctor is in Turlo there.

854
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:55.199
Because he's already suspicious about Turlow.

855
00:47:55.260 --> 00:48:00.480
We know that from Modern Undead, but just his his disappointment that Turlow would do.

856
00:48:00.539 --> 00:48:02.820
What really is quite a minor betrayal.

857
00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:09.239
And, you know, foreshadowing that he's going to discover just how much Turlo has betrayed him.

858
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:10.980
This is lovely.

859
00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:11.820
It is lovely.

860
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:22.800
Yeah, I mean, Barbara Clegg is so deaf because Mariner is creepy.

861
00:48:22.860 --> 00:48:24.420
But.

862
00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:33.360
He's he's not creepy in the way that, you know, everyone who lusts after Perry is creepy.

863
00:48:33.420 --> 00:48:34.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

864
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:36.659
You should not understand what it's all about, isn't it?

865
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:37.500
He's trying to understand.

866
00:48:38.940 --> 00:48:40.619
He's creepy as opposed to a creeper.

867
00:48:41.699 --> 00:48:49.199
I also like their technology as well, the eternals, that they're not space people from the future.

868
00:48:49.260 --> 00:48:50.820
Like that they've just...

869
00:48:50.820 --> 00:48:52.500
No, they're from the... spectrum in there.

870
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:53.760
No, no, no, that's right.

871
00:48:53.820 --> 00:48:54.900
It's all.

872
00:48:56.460 --> 00:48:58.440
They're from the ed.

873
00:48:58.679 --> 00:49:06.719
And they're kind of like very peaceful, very old people in that you want to, are you awake, dear?

874
00:49:06.780 --> 00:49:07.619
Are you listening to us?

875
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:09.900
There's just no super ego left.

876
00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:10.619
So anything.

877
00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:12.059
Oh, look at that.

878
00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:12.840
Black people.

879
00:49:12.900 --> 00:49:16.440
I mean, you just get everything that comes out of their heads at the 1st moment, don't you?

880
00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:18.599
They're the Vorons.

881
00:49:18.659 --> 00:49:19.739
Yeah, maybe.

882
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:24.719
I don't know what you're talking about When are we doing the Babylon 5 podcast?

883
00:49:24.780 --> 00:49:26.699
I've never heard of that show.

884
00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:27.840
No, for me.

885
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:37.679
It's quite good until you get to that episode in season 5 with the cleaners wandering around.

886
00:49:38.219 --> 00:49:40.619
That's Paradise Towers.

887
00:49:41.820 --> 00:49:44.519
Would you like to know something about that episode, James?

888
00:49:44.579 --> 00:49:45.599
What?

889
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:46.199
You're wrong.

890
00:49:46.260 --> 00:49:46.860
It's brilliant.

891
00:49:46.980 --> 00:49:47.880
Thank you.

892
00:49:47.940 --> 00:49:49.920
I was waiting for that Gents.

893
00:49:49.980 --> 00:49:53.639
I comment on the lovely lighting and optical montaging here.

894
00:49:53.699 --> 00:49:54.840
Why would you change this over?

895
00:49:54.900 --> 00:50:00.360
Now I've got to run away like every dear listener and look at the CG version just to see how crappy pants it is.

896
00:50:00.420 --> 00:50:03.420
You'd room that straight after this one.

897
00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:04.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

898
00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:06.059
We doing a commentary on that version.

899
00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:07.860
Did we not mention it?

900
00:50:08.699 --> 00:50:11.039
Will we get you missed it?

901
00:50:11.099 --> 00:50:13.199
You missed the Chesterton reprise.

902
00:50:13.260 --> 00:50:14.460
Will we get off, doctor?

903
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:18.420
I'll show you my wrath.

904
00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:19.559
Come and have a look at it.

905
00:50:19.619 --> 00:50:20.340
It's over here.

906
00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:25.739
It's marvellous, isn't it?

907
00:50:25.739 --> 00:50:30.179
Perpetual, Tom, except the boat's not going to last all that long, so it's really not much of a threat shit.

908
00:50:30.179 --> 00:50:31.260
Yeah, how is that eternal?

909
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:32.760
much on the ship. finishes.

910
00:50:34.260 --> 00:50:39.239
Oh, all feisty bottoms say that.

911
00:50:39.300 --> 00:50:43.860
Well, it is very much him noticing that we're 24 minutes into the heaven.

912
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:49.739
I mean, the other thing is about the Black Guardian.

913
00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:56.280
You know, he threatens Turlow one set episode for 12 episodes and it's like, no, no, I'm really, really crossed this time.

914
00:50:56.699 --> 00:50:59.400
I'm really, I'm really gonna do...

915
00:50:59.460 --> 00:51:02.039
I'm really, no, now, now I'm going to hurt you.

916
00:51:02.099 --> 00:51:03.719
Okay, not now, but next time.

917
00:51:03.780 --> 00:51:05.699
I'm really, you know, go to your room.

918
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:06.420
Go to your room.

919
00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:08.760
No, no, it's like really bad teaching, isn't it?

920
00:51:08.820 --> 00:51:10.800
You'd better not do that again.

921
00:51:10.860 --> 00:51:13.380
Or the Mueller next time.

922
00:51:13.380 --> 00:51:14.820
That's me.

923
00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:15.960
Get me as a teacher.

924
00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:18.000
That's me as a teacher.

925
00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:20.340
And I'm still teaching.

926
00:51:22.380 --> 00:51:25.019
No, really, boys, stop it.

927
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:26.280
I mean it.

928
00:51:26.460 --> 00:51:29.460
It does feel like present times, doesn't it?

929
00:51:29.460 --> 00:51:33.900
It does feel like the Mueller investigation just never stops.

930
00:51:35.460 --> 00:51:37.440
Where are we up to now?

931
00:51:37.500 --> 00:51:40.139
Eric, say, who's been called up?

932
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:45.300
Michael Cohen's being told he should have 4 years in jail. substantial prison term.

933
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:47.340
Very exciting.

934
00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:48.059
It is.

935
00:51:48.179 --> 00:51:50.579
Meanwhile, Turlo's jumped his rail.

936
00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:53.699
Okay, so this is part three.

937
00:51:55.139 --> 00:51:57.420
It's the gripping excitement.

938
00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:00.599
Which is...

939
00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:02.519
Back in his box.

940
00:52:02.639 --> 00:52:04.380
Oh sorry.

941
00:52:12.179 --> 00:52:18.420
Davidson ever get a chance to change his slightly tweaked expression for his opening titles?

942
00:52:18.480 --> 00:52:21.179
You know, it just looked like he's set on Cyril Luckham's hat.

943
00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:27.539
Yeah, I think it's the Castra Volver commentary where Janet says, Pete, Pete.

944
00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:28.980
Pete, what is it with that photo?

945
00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:30.960
You look like you've been goosed.

946
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:33.480
Well, that was you, Janet.

947
00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:42.119
Now, can I recommend if you enjoy commentaries on Peter Davidson stories, then, the commentary on this one with them in it?

948
00:52:42.179 --> 00:52:43.920
You know, is it good?

949
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:47.219
Anyone or anyone with Janet.

950
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:49.800
Pete does all of them except for...

951
00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:50.579
The Awakening.

952
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:51.000
Right.

953
00:52:51.539 --> 00:52:54.059
Who do they have on the Awakening?

954
00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:57.719
I believe it's the director and Eric Saywood.

955
00:52:58.320 --> 00:52:59.940
Scintillating.

956
00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:01.980
A horse, yeah.

957
00:53:02.340 --> 00:53:05.579
The lynch gate itself.

958
00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:07.559
We should do commentaries on the commentaries.

959
00:53:07.619 --> 00:53:10.019
This a very long reprise, isn't it?

960
00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:11.099
Isn't it?

961
00:53:11.159 --> 00:53:13.380
Episode 3 must have been under running.

962
00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:15.059
I love that shot.

963
00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:16.500
I love that show.

964
00:53:17.940 --> 00:53:23.940
Once more with feeling DVD. isn't there a sung through commentary as well?

965
00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:25.800
Oh, God, I don't know.

966
00:53:25.860 --> 00:53:29.039
It wouldn't be Alison Hannigan because she steadfastly.

967
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:30.599
That's why she's got 2 lines.

968
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:34.079
One of which is, I think this line is mostly filler.

969
00:53:37.139 --> 00:53:39.780
Getting Valentine's Dial back is...

970
00:53:39.780 --> 00:53:41.699
Singing always a good idea, isn't it?

971
00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:44.400
I mean, I think the Black Guardians are kind of stupid.

972
00:53:44.460 --> 00:53:51.000
And they are the thinnest possible motivation for season 16 to happen.

973
00:53:51.059 --> 00:53:53.519
Even William Shatner said that this week.

974
00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:54.659
Yes.

975
00:53:54.659 --> 00:53:55.920
Yeah, that was weird.

976
00:53:55.980 --> 00:53:58.800
It felt like he'd read Wikipedia about Doctor Who.

977
00:53:58.800 --> 00:53:59.820
He just spouted it off.

978
00:53:59.880 --> 00:54:04.260
He said that Willie Parnell's a fantastic doctor..

979
00:54:04.980 --> 00:54:07.260
And he's like, skip the key to time.

980
00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:10.139
But when they switch Romana's just go with it. which one is it?

981
00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:13.260
It's a bad shot.

982
00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:14.340
No, no.

983
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:15.599
Like, all of this stuff is very good.

984
00:54:15.659 --> 00:54:16.679
I think this is healing.

985
00:54:16.739 --> 00:54:17.579
And the music.

986
00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:19.199
It is healing gorgeous.

987
00:54:19.260 --> 00:54:20.639
Because you've got the flywise.

988
00:54:20.699 --> 00:54:24.360
And I do love how in the in the reprise of the cliffhanger. we just had.

989
00:54:24.420 --> 00:54:30.059
Instead of the doctor shouting, no, we get Davidson's real emotion, which is shouting at Turlo, don't be an idiot.

990
00:54:30.179 --> 00:54:34.079
It's like, Turlo, this is a minor inconvenience.

991
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:42.659
But I mean, you know, the idea that Peter's the nice doctor is absolutely wrong.

992
00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:44.159
You know, he's not.

993
00:54:44.219 --> 00:54:47.460
He's always impatient and grumpy and things.

994
00:54:48.960 --> 00:55:02.820
Speaking of impatient and grumpy, the new season 19, Blu-ray trailer, which was cut by Pip Madley, of course. has sort of front and centre that wonderful line of shh, you're spoiling my concentration.

995
00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:05.579
Like he stops the music and everything.

996
00:55:05.639 --> 00:55:07.380
It's the record scratch moment.

997
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:11.340
There's there's special effects for Castra Valva.

998
00:55:11.400 --> 00:55:11.820
Yes.

999
00:55:11.820 --> 00:55:15.420
Are they new for the new optional speckled effects?

1000
00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:16.019
Right.

1001
00:55:16.019 --> 00:55:17.820
That's a little...

1002
00:55:17.820 --> 00:55:19.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1003
00:55:20.099 --> 00:55:25.619
Although they have cleaned up the fringing, because I remember the video version of this is worse.

1004
00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:26.880
It's very goodies this moment.

1005
00:55:26.940 --> 00:55:28.800
Very good.

1006
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:30.900
Here comes Kitten Kong.

1007
00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:42.420
It's such a great choice.

1008
00:55:42.480 --> 00:55:46.139
It wasn't just necessitated by the Kirby wire work, was it?

1009
00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:51.300
Like they went to Ealing so that they could shoot this on film so that it looked like it was out.

1010
00:55:51.420 --> 00:55:55.559
Or that they happen to have a spare deck from Howard's way that wasn't being used that week.

1011
00:55:55.619 --> 00:55:57.719
No, established that?

1012
00:55:57.719 --> 00:56:07.619
Isn't that how GNT did it, just in the same way that, yeah, yeah, yeah. that Russell did it, that, you know, I want, I want pigs in spacesuits and chorus girls.

1013
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:09.840
So Barbara Clegg said, sure.

1014
00:56:09.900 --> 00:56:11.159
Brilliant.

1015
00:56:11.219 --> 00:56:14.519
Now we get new people, including Lee John, who is a person.

1016
00:56:14.579 --> 00:56:16.079
How many vows?

1017
00:56:16.139 --> 00:56:18.000
He has 3 E's.

1018
00:56:18.059 --> 00:56:19.679
He's all three.

1019
00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:21.179
Well it was the 80s and it was a party.

1020
00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:22.679
He still around?

1021
00:56:22.739 --> 00:56:24.300
I said I follow him on Twitter.

1022
00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:24.900
He still does things.

1023
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:27.179
All right.

1024
00:56:27.539 --> 00:56:29.400
The other baron.

1025
00:56:29.820 --> 00:56:34.320
You know, by the time I finally saw this in, I think, 1994.

1026
00:56:34.739 --> 00:56:38.400
I knew I liked boys, but Leo, Linda Baron.

1027
00:56:38.460 --> 00:56:39.840
Well, it's, yeah, all right.

1028
00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:44.460
Diana Dawes doing Adamance Prince Charming in a different wig, isn't it, really?

1029
00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:48.300
Oh, this got so much publicity.

1030
00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:52.019
Do you remember all the little fan mags or the TV week, all the things?

1031
00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:56.219
Mind you, he does know how to work a pair of collots, doesn't he?

1032
00:56:56.280 --> 00:56:58.260
He is actually shockingly bad.

1033
00:56:58.320 --> 00:57:01.800
He is so canned, isn't he?

1034
00:57:01.860 --> 00:57:03.000
But it's not just that his camp.

1035
00:57:03.059 --> 00:57:06.840
I mean, we've had good actors playing camp. doing it now.

1036
00:57:07.139 --> 00:57:10.500
But he's like he's in a 90s video clip.

1037
00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:16.019
Yeah, I'd argue Christopher Robin or whatever that Stroker's real name is exactly.

1038
00:57:16.019 --> 00:57:20.159
Exactly the sort.

1039
00:57:20.219 --> 00:57:21.900
Well, that's the thing.

1040
00:57:21.900 --> 00:57:25.139
I have no problem with Lee John's performance because he's playing a pirate.

1041
00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:28.619
So he, but, you know, he's an alien playing a pirate.

1042
00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:32.699
So he's like, oh, I, um, you know, I've got this movie I can watch.

1043
00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:33.480
What is it?

1044
00:57:33.539 --> 00:57:37.619
carry on up the rope or what was the carry on pirate movie?

1045
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:45.119
I'm not sure that argument ever really holds ballast for me, though, in because it's always got to be within context.

1046
00:57:45.179 --> 00:57:49.440
In context of everybody else's performances, but she's doing it very nicely.

1047
00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:52.619
Now I'm showing you a really cold fridge with a dead fish in it.

1048
00:57:52.739 --> 00:57:56.820
And it's a metaphor for you having it off with me, so don't even think about it.

1049
00:57:56.880 --> 00:57:58.440
You bum.

1050
00:57:59.460 --> 00:58:01.440
That's Australian.

1051
00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:13.380
I do think I do think there's a parallel here with this scene where she closes off her thoughts and the scene in Girl in the Fireplace with a door once opened can be crossed in 2 directions.

1052
00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:36.420
Because in both, in both scenes, the sort of, um, long-lived immortal character underestimates the mortal who then, who the mortal female, who then goes, well, no, if you can do mind tricks, so could I. And what I love about Mariner there is he's like, oh, okay, if you're going to block me out, I'm going to stop attempting to read you because this is new.

1053
00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:37.559
This is an amusement.

1054
00:58:37.619 --> 00:58:39.599
A lady has never done.

1055
00:58:39.659 --> 00:58:41.519
Well, a lady's never done anything to him before.

1056
00:58:42.659 --> 00:58:45.420
They're all dressed up in nowhere together.

1057
00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:55.440
Yes, you are.

1058
00:59:04.619 --> 00:59:12.539
So, All the ostensible threats in this. back to Linda Baron where we get positive proper ruffled threats.

1059
00:59:14.159 --> 00:59:16.199
It's true, isn't it?

1060
00:59:16.260 --> 00:59:21.059
The boys are all went to Eton, so then, you know, but she actually knows what it was that they were most afraid of and eaten.

1061
00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:22.199
Oh no, I thought that was a pencil.

1062
00:59:22.260 --> 00:59:23.340
It is a knife.

1063
00:59:23.400 --> 00:59:27.780
But she had to kudos to her for this performance because she's only into episodes.

1064
00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:30.719
And yet it's the character I remember so well.

1065
00:59:30.780 --> 00:59:31.800
Oh, she's brilliant.

1066
00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:37.260
She's acting entirely with her lower jaw. doing everything.

1067
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:39.300
And a lot of Tim Curry work there as well.

1068
00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:46.320
Slab, yes, I've got one, actually.

1069
00:59:49.380 --> 00:59:52.019
Or shall I torture you with anticipate?

1070
00:59:55.199 --> 00:59:56.460
Poltitude.

1071
00:59:56.519 --> 00:59:56.940
Yeah.

1072
00:59:56.940 --> 00:59:59.940
I'll do it in the happiness patrol coming.

1073
01:00:03.239 --> 01:00:04.679
Oh.

1074
01:00:05.099 --> 01:00:10.980
I'd say, if I was the director, I'd keep the shot in him for as long as I could just to make his eyes freeze.

1075
01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:14.219
You're right, he's hardly blinked at all.

1076
01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:15.059
No, he doesn't.

1077
01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:19.139
Do you remember he says that he was one of the tricks he did deliberately to keep everyone's attention on him.

1078
01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:20.820
And Janet's always pointing it out.

1079
01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:26.760
He's always making sure he's looking over his shoulder so everyone notices him when they're all anytime anyone's got their back to the camera.

1080
01:00:26.820 --> 01:00:28.380
He's the one looking back at the camera.

1081
01:00:28.739 --> 01:00:36.000
Yeah, it's, because he's not on the commentary for a resurrection of the Daleks, they rib him.

1082
01:00:36.119 --> 01:00:37.320
Oh, is that seriously about it?

1083
01:00:37.380 --> 01:00:48.719
Because when they find Stein, like the doctor and Tegan are talking about him, talking to Stein in the background and Mark said to the director, how about while they're doing that, I'm off here, you know, looking around to see if anyone's coming.

1084
01:00:48.780 --> 01:00:50.460
And of course, he's in the bloody foreground of the shot.

1085
01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:52.559
Here we go.

1086
01:00:52.619 --> 01:00:53.880
Hear and address.

1087
01:00:54.840 --> 01:00:57.480
And I love the doctor's reaction.

1088
01:00:57.539 --> 01:00:57.960
Exactly.

1089
01:00:58.019 --> 01:00:59.219
You've come as Albert.

1090
01:00:59.460 --> 01:01:02.880
I've already told you not to do that, Sarah Jane.

1091
01:01:02.940 --> 01:01:05.639
I've been here 2 hours and that's what you come out with.

1092
01:01:10.019 --> 01:01:12.659
She does a great Eliza Doolittle.

1093
01:01:12.719 --> 01:01:17.519
And she does always look under under complete penury and stress, doesn't she?

1094
01:01:17.579 --> 01:01:19.500
She really does look like she's starving for anything.

1095
01:01:19.559 --> 01:01:21.599
If not more tension.

1096
01:01:21.659 --> 01:01:22.980
Oh, breakfast cereal.

1097
01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:25.679
Breakfast cereal.

1098
01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:32.219
Oh, look, she's brought her breasts with her period.

1099
01:01:32.280 --> 01:01:32.820
She has.

1100
01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:33.539
She has.

1101
01:01:33.599 --> 01:01:35.099
Just the one set now.

1102
01:01:36.539 --> 01:01:39.239
These new editions or are these original?

1103
01:01:39.300 --> 01:01:40.260
No, this is the original.

1104
01:01:40.380 --> 01:01:41.400
Okay, it's good to know.

1105
01:01:41.519 --> 01:01:47.639
Because the new edition version of this is a cut down 66 minute wide screen remixed.

1106
01:01:47.760 --> 01:01:48.420
Why?

1107
01:01:48.420 --> 01:01:56.519
Because Peter Davidson said to Fiona coming on the commentary for Castro Valver, wouldn't it be wonderful if we could cut some of our old stories like the new series?

1108
01:01:56.579 --> 01:01:57.900
Oh, look, chest hair.

1109
01:01:57.900 --> 01:01:58.800
Turns out, no.

1110
01:01:58.860 --> 01:02:00.960
He just meant he just meant cut Jenna out.

1111
01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:01.320
Yeah.

1112
01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:05.940
No, I've been admiring Lee John's chest hair.

1113
01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:14.219
Yeah, Lee and Janet were actually having a bit as to who could show more chest in this story.

1114
01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:19.980
I love the way her tiara has a perfectly sized hole in it for the crystal.

1115
01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:23.340
Chekhov's tiara.

1116
01:02:23.460 --> 01:02:25.380
Oh, this is our favourite room.

1117
01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:28.139
And now we've got the on-off vacuum shield.

1118
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:29.760
This, isn't it?

1119
01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:34.139
Look, it's really bloody important that I know what's going to go on in here.

1120
01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:37.500
When I used to go into that convenience store, Turlo, I had no idea.

1121
01:02:37.679 --> 01:02:43.079
I think it looks like the planet Solos, like...

1122
01:02:43.139 --> 01:02:45.300
Well, yes, or even Trouton-esque technology.

1123
01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:47.460
It's feeling very power of the, isn't it?

1124
01:02:47.519 --> 01:02:48.719
There he goes.

1125
01:02:48.780 --> 01:02:49.860
Oh, no, she's bumpable.

1126
01:02:49.920 --> 01:02:50.940
She said he was actually...

1127
01:02:50.940 --> 01:02:52.559
Or perspective.

1128
01:02:52.619 --> 01:02:54.719
Yes, I was going to say, well, you know, your sticks are rubbing.

1129
01:02:54.780 --> 01:02:56.400
Mechanical buzzing.

1130
01:02:56.460 --> 01:02:56.880
Sorry.

1131
01:02:57.480 --> 01:02:59.219
Just being filthy.

1132
01:02:59.280 --> 01:03:01.380
Fumbling magic.

1133
01:03:07.500 --> 01:03:09.300
Same explosion.

1134
01:03:09.360 --> 01:03:10.679
Oh, was it?

1135
01:03:10.739 --> 01:03:12.300
Like space 1999, yes.

1136
01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:18.059
So that's finished in the loo.

1137
01:03:18.719 --> 01:03:27.599
I wouldn't go in there for a while. perfect sense now.

1138
01:03:27.659 --> 01:03:29.880
Squat over this big eye.

1139
01:03:33.239 --> 01:03:35.639
Those weren't asteroids.

1140
01:03:41.219 --> 01:03:44.039
Still a black is a license.

1141
01:03:44.039 --> 01:03:47.820
That's what I do.

1142
01:03:47.820 --> 01:03:48.780
Bondfinger Tom.

1143
01:03:48.840 --> 01:03:51.480
Todd, I don't know why you keep bringing up still a black, you know.

1144
01:03:51.539 --> 01:03:54.659
It's completely untoward. would never do that.

1145
01:03:55.079 --> 01:03:56.579
Just saying.

1146
01:03:59.940 --> 01:04:01.800
Some other gentlemen?

1147
01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:05.280
It feels like a future crew call for Doctor Who, doesn't it?

1148
01:04:05.340 --> 01:04:06.719
It's for to doomsday.

1149
01:04:06.780 --> 01:04:07.920
It does.

1150
01:04:08.460 --> 01:04:11.340
I am lord of the salad bar.

1151
01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:18.179
I am Willy Wonka.

1152
01:04:18.239 --> 01:04:19.559
Right behind you.

1153
01:04:19.619 --> 01:04:21.659
I think that chest hair is not real.

1154
01:04:21.719 --> 01:04:23.639
I can see spirit gum in there.

1155
01:04:23.820 --> 01:04:26.760
He'd be really good in community theatre, I think.

1156
01:04:26.820 --> 01:04:28.440
Doing it.

1157
01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:29.760
As a tree.

1158
01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:34.739
His eyes, he's acting completely with his eyes.

1159
01:04:40.800 --> 01:04:44.219
Oh, yeah, I do love a story that gives good frock.

1160
01:04:44.280 --> 01:04:45.059
Yeah.

1161
01:04:45.119 --> 01:04:47.039
And that's just the men.

1162
01:04:48.480 --> 01:04:50.519
I'm scared, doctor.

1163
01:04:50.579 --> 01:04:53.039
That's why I got dressed up specifically to come here.

1164
01:04:53.400 --> 01:04:56.219
Although it is one of her best scenes, yeah.

1165
01:04:56.519 --> 01:04:58.619
They're all in drag.

1166
01:04:58.679 --> 01:04:59.880
I think so.

1167
01:04:59.940 --> 01:05:01.980
So these are all eternals, aren't they?

1168
01:05:02.039 --> 01:05:03.420
Yeah, there's Martin Chuzzlewit.

1169
01:05:03.480 --> 01:05:04.739
Where's Martin Chuzzle?

1170
01:05:04.800 --> 01:05:09.659
So the Eternals are diverse, despite their, you know, English upper class, kind of.

1171
01:05:09.659 --> 01:05:12.239
Look at the next doctor in the background.

1172
01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:14.639
Just thinking, yes.

1173
01:05:16.260 --> 01:05:19.679
Actually, I would have loved for Colin to have that costume.

1174
01:05:19.739 --> 01:05:21.659
I think Colin would have loved for Colin to have that costume.

1175
01:05:22.380 --> 01:05:25.199
Would...

1176
01:05:25.199 --> 01:05:26.099
Alcohol and beer, yeah.

1177
01:05:26.159 --> 01:05:29.579
I love how you've changed between each episode.

1178
01:05:30.659 --> 01:05:32.699
The ducks in the bin.

1179
01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:38.159
No, see, Tegan will take any opportunity.

1180
01:05:38.219 --> 01:05:39.300
What a large...

1181
01:05:39.300 --> 01:05:48.300
Whereas, I think except for the drink in Castra Valver, Davison always finds a way to get rid of alcohol just quietly.

1182
01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:53.039
Like in the 1st episode of this, he hands his glass over to the officer who loses his.

1183
01:05:53.099 --> 01:05:55.980
He orders lemonade and black orchid.

1184
01:05:56.039 --> 01:05:59.340
And yeah, he's not going to have a sip of that either, whereas Pertwee.

1185
01:06:01.679 --> 01:06:03.840
Cheeky and sardonic.

1186
01:06:03.900 --> 01:06:05.280
Mate, the cheese table.

1187
01:06:05.340 --> 01:06:08.400
Did you say you have a wine cellar?

1188
01:06:08.460 --> 01:06:10.380
Yeah, I think your house might be haunted, maybe?

1189
01:06:10.440 --> 01:06:12.719
We'll have stay the night.

1190
01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:13.920
Yeah, maybe get out for a bit.

1191
01:06:13.980 --> 01:06:15.239
Make it a week.

1192
01:06:15.300 --> 01:06:15.780
Yeah.

1193
01:06:16.019 --> 01:06:18.719
And he takes away Tegan's drink here.

1194
01:06:18.780 --> 01:06:21.059
Perfect weather for a peace conference.

1195
01:06:21.119 --> 01:06:24.300
I was just saying to Tubby the only...

1196
01:06:26.039 --> 01:06:31.679
You know, oh, shit, well, I think we know who's got the title of racking.

1197
01:06:34.079 --> 01:06:37.199
As she grasps for the talent, yeah.

1198
01:06:37.260 --> 01:06:38.699
Oh, no.

1199
01:06:38.699 --> 01:06:41.099
She finds a bit on putting.

1200
01:06:41.880 --> 01:06:43.559
Oh, okay.

1201
01:06:43.619 --> 01:06:44.880
Can't you throw it out?

1202
01:06:44.940 --> 01:06:46.019
What if someone eats that later?

1203
01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:47.099
It's been like everywhere.

1204
01:06:47.280 --> 01:06:50.340
He's entirely made of Velcro.

1205
01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:53.699
What if they mistake it for a sword and use a fire?

1206
01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:55.320
Yeah, and just sticks on so easily too.

1207
01:06:55.440 --> 01:06:57.480
Self adhesive.

1208
01:06:57.539 --> 01:06:58.679
Is it Velcro?

1209
01:06:58.679 --> 01:07:03.360
Or did they did June Hudson go out and just buy a new bunch every every month?

1210
01:07:04.619 --> 01:07:07.260
He told us when he was here in 83.

1211
01:07:07.380 --> 01:07:08.039
It was felt.

1212
01:07:08.099 --> 01:07:09.059
Yeah, felt.

1213
01:07:09.119 --> 01:07:10.559
Fuzzy felt.

1214
01:07:10.619 --> 01:07:14.099
I did bump into Peter Davidson and Mark Spencer about a year ago.

1215
01:07:14.159 --> 01:07:15.119
He was wearing it, wasn't he?

1216
01:07:15.179 --> 01:07:15.719
No, he wasn't.

1217
01:07:15.780 --> 01:07:16.440
He was wearing the hat.

1218
01:07:16.860 --> 01:07:21.059
I was trying to find that celery and I ran out of time before the checkout.

1219
01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:23.579
Next time, next time.

1220
01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:25.980
Did you buttonhole him?

1221
01:07:26.039 --> 01:07:27.179
I'm going here.

1222
01:07:29.400 --> 01:07:33.360
Now, I have a feeling that shot is wrong because the door opens.

1223
01:07:33.420 --> 01:07:35.280
It's meant it's meant to close.

1224
01:07:35.460 --> 01:07:38.099
But it is still open there, so maybe I'm wrong.

1225
01:07:38.159 --> 01:07:39.119
Still a bit whiffy.

1226
01:07:42.179 --> 01:07:44.099
In the book, it's not a hole at all.

1227
01:07:44.159 --> 01:07:46.800
It's just a grid because it's very silly.

1228
01:07:46.860 --> 01:07:48.960
That design reminds me of...

1229
01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:52.380
Yeah, or greatest show in the galaxy.

1230
01:07:52.440 --> 01:07:53.159
Oh, yeah.

1231
01:07:53.159 --> 01:07:53.460
Yeah.

1232
01:07:53.519 --> 01:07:54.719
Blue eye.

1233
01:07:54.719 --> 01:08:08.219
This, um, when I was a kid, this was the scene that made me think Mariner would be a really good companion, because he's got these, he's got these abilities, like he's got sort of NISA psychic abilities, but they actually introduced them and explained them.

1234
01:08:08.219 --> 01:08:10.199
Acting eyebrows.

1235
01:08:10.260 --> 01:08:11.340
That is spot on.

1236
01:08:11.400 --> 01:08:12.239
That is really good.

1237
01:08:12.300 --> 01:08:14.400
I'm just imagining him now as a companion.

1238
01:08:14.460 --> 01:08:18.119
I think it's brilliant He knows all about telebiogenesis. knows about everything.

1239
01:08:18.180 --> 01:08:18.659
Yeah, yeah.

1240
01:08:18.720 --> 01:08:22.439
Great. the Diana Troy all the time, not a total fake.

1241
01:08:22.500 --> 01:08:24.119
I feel its pain and suffering.

1242
01:08:24.180 --> 01:08:26.640
Oh, and now.

1243
01:08:28.020 --> 01:08:29.760
Lush.

1244
01:08:34.680 --> 01:08:36.600
I want that sign.

1245
01:08:36.659 --> 01:08:38.640
Graham, Graham, let me out.

1246
01:08:38.699 --> 01:08:39.899
Tim, Tim, where are you?

1247
01:08:39.960 --> 01:08:41.579
It's very goodies.

1248
01:08:41.640 --> 01:08:43.859
You're our 1000000th customer.

1249
01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:47.279
I've never won anything before.

1250
01:08:47.340 --> 01:08:48.779
Well, you're about to win big.

1251
01:08:48.840 --> 01:08:50.699
Except ginger hair dye.

1252
01:08:50.760 --> 01:08:52.920
But crystals are going to help you now.

1253
01:08:54.659 --> 01:08:56.520
Or threats.

1254
01:08:56.579 --> 01:08:58.079
Oh, I warned you again.

1255
01:08:58.140 --> 01:09:00.539
This time you'll really die.

1256
01:09:01.260 --> 01:09:03.000
I mean it.

1257
01:09:03.060 --> 01:09:03.899
I mean it.

1258
01:09:03.960 --> 01:09:05.579
I'm speaking to your house master.

1259
01:09:05.640 --> 01:09:09.300
I'm even going to walk away before I'm sure you're dead.

1260
01:09:12.479 --> 01:09:16.020
It comes with a villain license. you know, certain protocols.

1261
01:09:16.079 --> 01:09:18.119
Oh, look, he's doing that thing.

1262
01:09:18.180 --> 01:09:24.119
Yeah, that thing with the coin thing that was actually Lala and...

1263
01:09:24.180 --> 01:09:24.539
Yeah.

1264
01:09:24.659 --> 01:09:26.039
Yeah.

1265
01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:29.880
Ignore the distinct conversation. ignore the ignore the corn choice.

1266
01:09:29.939 --> 01:09:30.479
Take a drink.

1267
01:09:33.539 --> 01:09:34.920
Look at him, I missed him.

1268
01:09:34.979 --> 01:09:35.520
Heres me rack.

1269
01:09:35.579 --> 01:09:37.140
Where you going, come my way.

1270
01:09:40.199 --> 01:09:41.520
Salad?

1271
01:09:42.359 --> 01:09:44.520
Not right in front of it.

1272
01:09:52.319 --> 01:09:54.539
Uh, title, right?

1273
01:09:54.539 --> 01:09:56.460
Yeah, I was gonna say in front of the commentary.

1274
01:09:57.180 --> 01:10:01.920
I was going to say, I know it breaks with tradition, but we should just call this episode Salad?

1275
01:10:04.979 --> 01:10:06.779
That's terrible.

1276
01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:09.479
Look at his bar. bum shot.

1277
01:10:09.539 --> 01:10:10.199
Look at that bum.

1278
01:10:10.260 --> 01:10:10.800
Woohoo.

1279
01:10:10.859 --> 01:10:11.640
Any excuse?

1280
01:10:11.699 --> 01:10:14.159
I know, but those are very tight trousers.

1281
01:10:14.220 --> 01:10:17.880
I'm sure that they would have violated the uniform code.

1282
01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:19.199
You could say unicorn.

1283
01:10:19.260 --> 01:10:20.279
Unicorn.

1284
01:10:20.279 --> 01:10:23.279
They could have violated a unicorn too, if you...

1285
01:10:23.279 --> 01:10:25.079
Turlo, you can't wear those trousers.

1286
01:10:25.140 --> 01:10:26.039
You'll distract the boys.

1287
01:10:27.359 --> 01:10:36.060
Now, so the air is very, very, very, very slowly and not at all explosively, quite kind of draining from the room.

1288
01:10:36.119 --> 01:10:36.899
Is that what's happening?

1289
01:10:36.960 --> 01:10:37.380
Yes.

1290
01:10:37.500 --> 01:10:41.340
While Peter walks very slowly around the ship waiting, you know, trying to find him.

1291
01:10:41.579 --> 01:10:45.060
And now it's Battle of the Brests. round two.

1292
01:10:48.180 --> 01:10:49.739
Round four I think.

1293
01:10:49.859 --> 01:10:53.699
And hair and earrings and necklace.

1294
01:10:53.760 --> 01:10:57.359
And and Janet wobbling incredibly while frozen in time.

1295
01:10:58.619 --> 01:11:00.239
Oh, yeah.

1296
01:11:00.300 --> 01:11:00.779
Oh, yeah.

1297
01:11:01.859 --> 01:11:04.800
She snore is invading rack.

1298
01:11:05.819 --> 01:11:07.800
Spinning around.

1299
01:11:08.520 --> 01:11:11.159
Now is that German expressionism there?

1300
01:11:11.220 --> 01:11:12.479
No, certainly not.

1301
01:11:12.539 --> 01:11:13.619
Is it really spinning around?

1302
01:11:13.680 --> 01:11:14.579
is it?

1303
01:11:17.640 --> 01:11:23.159
Cornell Day and topping, um, speculate that it's the effects of asphyxiation.

1304
01:11:23.220 --> 01:11:24.000
That's what I was thinking.

1305
01:11:24.060 --> 01:11:26.699
Yeah, it was like what he's feeling.

1306
01:11:27.060 --> 01:11:30.960
Where are they picking their tech from or from whom?

1307
01:11:30.960 --> 01:11:33.899
If they can choose...

1308
01:11:33.960 --> 01:11:43.319
All of time and space, but only really BBC storage from 1965 to 74. yeah How many times does he say help me?

1309
01:11:43.380 --> 01:11:45.720
It's really slow, isn't it?

1310
01:11:45.779 --> 01:11:46.380
Look at that wall.

1311
01:11:46.439 --> 01:11:47.399
Look at that, actually.

1312
01:11:48.000 --> 01:11:48.420
Yeah, yeah.

1313
01:11:48.479 --> 01:11:50.340
They've nicked the wall from the Williams era.

1314
01:11:50.399 --> 01:11:51.239
Yeah.

1315
01:11:51.239 --> 01:11:54.899
You can tell because it's got all the fag ends stumped out.

1316
01:11:56.220 --> 01:11:59.819
Speaking of faggins, this is your end, fag.

1317
01:11:59.880 --> 01:12:01.560
Why are you overacting so?

1318
01:12:01.619 --> 01:12:03.000
I think you're right.

1319
01:12:03.060 --> 01:12:03.659
It is cloth.

1320
01:12:03.720 --> 01:12:04.859
I mean, you can see in that shop.

1321
01:12:04.920 --> 01:12:06.720
I research it, you fool.

1322
01:12:08.460 --> 01:12:13.319
Yeah, Davis was slightly accent scene like, I opened the bloody door.

1323
01:12:13.800 --> 01:12:21.180
There is really no great empathy here between the doctor and Turlo and you could say there never has been.

1324
01:12:21.239 --> 01:12:25.319
The doctor works on protocols in this in this period, doesn't he?

1325
01:12:25.380 --> 01:12:27.899
I think he's more like an eternal than he is one of the kids.

1326
01:12:27.960 --> 01:12:29.760
No, I agree with you there.

1327
01:12:29.819 --> 01:12:33.659
There's very little affection from Pete's doctor, I think.

1328
01:12:33.720 --> 01:12:38.460
He kind of, you know, Davison likes to kind of touch Sarah.

1329
01:12:38.760 --> 01:12:40.380
Possibly can, John.

1330
01:12:40.439 --> 01:12:41.640
Oh, there you go.

1331
01:12:42.180 --> 01:12:44.460
Like right on Turlo's bum.

1332
01:12:44.520 --> 01:12:46.319
Eye of horse.

1333
01:12:46.380 --> 01:12:51.180
I like the way he never kind of calls Turlow on the on the deception bit.

1334
01:12:51.239 --> 01:12:57.840
He just tries to be the most positive, the most, you know, to help him in every situation and that he'll come around.

1335
01:12:57.899 --> 01:13:03.359
I think we talk about it in our episode that it's done kind of subtly, isn't it?

1336
01:13:03.420 --> 01:13:08.279
That, that, you know, and there's no kind of recriminations or any nonsense about it.

1337
01:13:08.340 --> 01:13:12.659
I mean, the show isn't the kind of thing that has sort of running emotional arcs anyway.

1338
01:13:12.720 --> 01:13:16.920
But it is kind of refreshing not to have it really brought up again.

1339
01:13:16.979 --> 01:13:20.039
I mean he still gets to be cowardly and kind of annoying and stuff.

1340
01:13:21.539 --> 01:13:24.539
That's such a, that looks terrible.

1341
01:13:24.779 --> 01:13:27.119
Yeah, so bad, isn't it?

1342
01:13:27.180 --> 01:13:29.100
Has the money run out?

1343
01:13:29.159 --> 01:13:29.640
that it?

1344
01:13:29.699 --> 01:13:32.100
We are getting towards the end of the season.

1345
01:13:32.340 --> 01:13:34.380
They spend all of the money on.

1346
01:13:34.439 --> 01:13:36.659
Amsterdam.

1347
01:13:39.720 --> 01:13:42.720
But weren't they supposed they were supposed to have the Dalek story that got canned?

1348
01:13:42.779 --> 01:13:43.500
Oh yeah, that's true.

1349
01:13:43.560 --> 01:13:45.000
So they would have had to have money somewhere.

1350
01:13:45.060 --> 01:13:45.659
Yeah.

1351
01:13:45.659 --> 01:13:46.439
Yeah.

1352
01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:57.899
I think also, um, the last 3 stories of the season were compressed in terms of production time because of the various strikes, and it's why Terminus wasn't finished properly.

1353
01:13:57.960 --> 01:14:03.060
So I do wonder if that also affected the labour of building sets and whatnot.

1354
01:14:03.300 --> 01:14:05.819
I mean, do we know who the designer was?

1355
01:14:05.880 --> 01:14:11.340
Is it someone who's very good at period stuff and like incredibly crappy at space corridors?

1356
01:14:11.399 --> 01:14:12.899
I don't know.

1357
01:14:12.960 --> 01:14:13.920
I think this is his only story.

1358
01:14:13.979 --> 01:14:14.760
Okay.

1359
01:14:14.819 --> 01:14:15.420
So yes.

1360
01:14:15.479 --> 01:14:16.079
Yes.

1361
01:14:16.680 --> 01:14:23.039
Let's just hang around in this room that's clearly dangerous and open to space and hope no one outside pulls the lever again.

1362
01:14:26.100 --> 01:14:27.779
That won't happen, Colin.

1363
01:14:27.779 --> 01:14:30.539
I've seen it before. of the room.

1364
01:14:36.600 --> 01:14:37.800
No, no.

1365
01:14:37.859 --> 01:14:38.579
Franklin.

1366
01:14:41.640 --> 01:14:43.500
Tried to brain me with a rock?

1367
01:14:46.560 --> 01:14:47.460
Not through this year.

1368
01:14:56.520 --> 01:14:57.720
Now, why did they want?

1369
01:14:57.720 --> 01:15:04.920
Yeah, the visitation. love.

1370
01:15:04.979 --> 01:15:07.319
And then someone comes in and goes, stop.

1371
01:15:07.380 --> 01:15:09.960
No, and visitation, remember?

1372
01:15:10.020 --> 01:15:11.640
Even says, oh, no, not again.

1373
01:15:11.699 --> 01:15:14.159
They should go, oh, full Tim.

1374
01:15:14.220 --> 01:15:16.140
Oh no, this is what we want for the cliffhanger.

1375
01:15:17.100 --> 01:15:19.979
That's great. on.

1376
01:15:20.039 --> 01:15:26.399
That is a much better cliffhanger than Pete gets threatened by a sword again.

1377
01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:29.939
But he will live to regret it.

1378
01:15:31.500 --> 01:15:34.020
Sorry, I was a bit too butch there.

1379
01:15:40.079 --> 01:15:42.180
It does rattle along this one.

1380
01:15:43.680 --> 01:15:45.720
I never get tired of it.

1381
01:15:45.779 --> 01:15:46.920
I can watch it all the time.

1382
01:15:46.979 --> 01:15:47.340
I love it.

1383
01:15:47.399 --> 01:15:49.920
Oh yeah, Liege.

1384
01:15:51.300 --> 01:15:52.920
Still alive?

1385
01:15:52.979 --> 01:15:54.239
Is he still alive?

1386
01:15:54.300 --> 01:15:54.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1387
01:15:54.899 --> 01:15:55.979
Like I said, I'm following him on Twitter.

1388
01:15:56.039 --> 01:15:56.880
Really?

1389
01:15:56.880 --> 01:15:57.840
He still sort of performs.

1390
01:15:57.840 --> 01:15:59.340
The only thing he talks about is this.

1391
01:15:59.399 --> 01:16:00.600
We should at him on the.

1392
01:16:00.600 --> 01:16:03.899
How old is he?

1393
01:16:03.960 --> 01:16:05.819
Mate, can you retweet this without listening?

1394
01:16:05.880 --> 01:16:06.300
Sorry.

1395
01:16:06.359 --> 01:16:09.119
It's 40,000 years.

1396
01:16:09.180 --> 01:16:10.199
He is old.

1397
01:16:10.260 --> 01:16:11.699
He's got a shaved head and stuff.

1398
01:16:11.760 --> 01:16:15.359
He looks, so, you know, he doesn't look gray.

1399
01:16:15.420 --> 01:16:16.979
No, no, I mean, he doesn't look great.

1400
01:16:17.039 --> 01:16:17.760
You know what I mean?

1401
01:16:17.819 --> 01:16:19.500
He just looks kind of older.

1402
01:16:19.560 --> 01:16:23.880
And then he still wears sort of ludicrously camp outfits and stuff.

1403
01:16:23.939 --> 01:16:25.739
He's, you know, he's reasonable value.

1404
01:16:25.979 --> 01:16:28.020
I think he's about 60.

1405
01:16:28.199 --> 01:16:30.000
Yeah, that sounds right somewhere.

1406
01:16:30.060 --> 01:16:32.159
Does he do panto?

1407
01:16:32.279 --> 01:16:34.079
doing it now.

1408
01:16:37.140 --> 01:16:38.640
Well, here we go.

1409
01:16:38.699 --> 01:16:40.140
We're now in, what, part four?

1410
01:16:40.199 --> 01:16:41.579
He's 61.

1411
01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:42.779
Okay.

1412
01:16:42.779 --> 01:16:44.220
It's reasonable.

1413
01:16:47.279 --> 01:16:49.680
He's black, so they're like Yoda.

1414
01:16:49.739 --> 01:16:55.020
They just, or, you know, they just stay looking really, really good and then they turn into Yoda, but by the time they get to 80.

1415
01:16:55.260 --> 01:16:56.399
They do.

1416
01:16:56.460 --> 01:17:00.659
They're completely ageless. ageless and deathless.

1417
01:17:00.720 --> 01:17:01.439
Oh God.

1418
01:17:01.500 --> 01:17:02.340
That's true.

1419
01:17:02.399 --> 01:17:03.960
All old singers.

1420
01:17:04.020 --> 01:17:07.020
It's like something, we're told you, we're talking. always knows what gain.

1421
01:17:07.079 --> 01:17:08.399
Just at mentioned Richard.

1422
01:17:08.699 --> 01:17:10.680
Mentioned by Richard.

1423
01:17:13.739 --> 01:17:15.899
We're getting a lot out of this door, aren't we?

1424
01:17:17.640 --> 01:17:19.140
Door.

1425
01:17:22.020 --> 01:17:25.319
It does look quite uncomfortable in that shot, doesn't he?

1426
01:17:25.380 --> 01:17:26.819
Usually does, yeah.

1427
01:17:26.880 --> 01:17:32.220
Well, that's why that's why he cuts his hair so short immediately after this, it's become, oh, people can grab this.

1428
01:17:32.279 --> 01:17:33.239
No, this is terrible.

1429
01:17:33.720 --> 01:17:35.699
That really hurt.

1430
01:17:35.760 --> 01:17:37.260
That really hurt.

1431
01:17:37.319 --> 01:17:40.439
Sorry, dear listener, I forgot I wasn't holding a microphone.

1432
01:17:40.500 --> 01:17:41.640
He went back.

1433
01:17:41.640 --> 01:17:42.659
I like how they recount that.

1434
01:17:42.720 --> 01:17:43.920
She doesn't do the evil.

1435
01:17:43.979 --> 01:17:45.659
No, no, it's disappointing, isn't it?

1436
01:17:45.720 --> 01:17:46.979
He went back to doing all creatures.

1437
01:17:47.039 --> 01:17:48.180
That's why he had his hair cut.

1438
01:17:48.300 --> 01:17:51.600
Yeah, yeah, Back for 5 doctors, he's got short hair.

1439
01:17:51.659 --> 01:17:52.140
Yeah.

1440
01:17:53.880 --> 01:17:56.100
The hair of an idiot.

1441
01:17:56.159 --> 01:17:59.159
Isn't it the Moffat line about the doctor?

1442
01:17:59.220 --> 01:17:59.819
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1443
01:17:59.880 --> 01:18:01.199
How do you recognise the doctor?

1444
01:18:01.260 --> 01:18:02.460
He's got hair of an idiot.

1445
01:18:02.579 --> 01:18:05.819
That's great Oh, I thought you were talking about Tegan.

1446
01:18:05.819 --> 01:18:07.380
And a pleasant open face.

1447
01:18:11.399 --> 01:18:13.500
He's clutching it.

1448
01:18:13.560 --> 01:18:15.000
Hang on, I don't feel...

1449
01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:16.739
Feel impugned.

1450
01:18:20.939 --> 01:18:23.279
And I've come as a sofa.

1451
01:18:23.340 --> 01:18:24.479
What have you come as, dear?

1452
01:18:25.079 --> 01:18:28.020
They have fun, don't they, the eternal?

1453
01:18:31.260 --> 01:18:36.300
I've come as Ron Moody in a scrotty old carry-on sketch, how about you?

1454
01:18:36.359 --> 01:18:37.739
Well, I've come as an egg.

1455
01:18:42.239 --> 01:18:46.560
You can't see me because all my lines are getting squashed by that bastard.

1456
01:18:46.619 --> 01:18:48.420
No here I am.

1457
01:18:48.600 --> 01:18:50.340
And the background.

1458
01:18:50.399 --> 01:18:52.079
No, I'm fascinated by that guy.

1459
01:18:52.140 --> 01:18:56.880
He's clearly got a thing on so that he's bald wig doesn't have to make hours to apply.

1460
01:18:56.939 --> 01:18:59.460
That's right, come as the me con from darn dear.

1461
01:18:59.520 --> 01:18:59.760
What?

1462
01:18:59.819 --> 01:19:00.359
No, I have.

1463
01:19:00.420 --> 01:19:02.159
You give, I am empty.

1464
01:19:02.220 --> 01:19:03.239
You give me being...

1465
01:19:03.239 --> 01:19:06.779
That's just everything's a double entendre on this show, isn't it?

1466
01:19:07.920 --> 01:19:09.899
Carry on doctoring.

1467
01:19:09.960 --> 01:19:10.560
Yeah.

1468
01:19:10.619 --> 01:19:12.479
It is the closest this season.

1469
01:19:13.619 --> 01:19:17.100
But she's pretty unsurpassable in this, isn't she?

1470
01:19:17.159 --> 01:19:19.800
She's doing naturalistic on top of everybody else's.

1471
01:19:19.979 --> 01:19:20.760
What is love?

1472
01:19:20.939 --> 01:19:29.760
It is, it is a really, uh, you know, her trajectory where she does start with the most appalling children's show acting, like in her book.

1473
01:19:29.819 --> 01:19:30.720
She really did.

1474
01:19:30.779 --> 01:19:31.380
It hurt.

1475
01:19:31.439 --> 01:19:37.920
It's clearly not, it was clearly just her decision to pitch it, that that must have been what she thought Doctor Who was.

1476
01:19:37.979 --> 01:19:39.899
So Jackie Lane continued.

1477
01:19:39.960 --> 01:19:41.520
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

1478
01:19:41.579 --> 01:19:46.199
But then she decides to just do some proper acting. later and I think she's great.

1479
01:19:46.260 --> 01:19:49.380
You know, she's an unsung hero of 80s.

1480
01:19:49.439 --> 01:19:50.340
It was spending time.

1481
01:19:50.399 --> 01:19:56.699
It might have been Sarah Sutton said, giving her, you know, a really chunky VHS of the moon stallion, saying, look, I could do this before I was your age.

1482
01:19:56.760 --> 01:19:58.020
You might have a look at this, you know.

1483
01:19:58.079 --> 01:20:00.239
This is how you do it, love.

1484
01:20:00.300 --> 01:20:00.960
I have it.

1485
01:20:01.020 --> 01:20:02.159
When are we doing the moon style?

1486
01:20:02.220 --> 01:20:03.180
I love them.

1487
01:20:03.239 --> 01:20:04.199
Oh, are we doing it now?

1488
01:20:04.260 --> 01:20:04.979
my favourite thing.

1489
01:20:05.039 --> 01:20:06.119
We can do it afterwards.

1490
01:20:06.180 --> 01:20:14.579
Dave Davidson's also doing, I mean, the recessive acting, and maybe that's why he's kind of getting lost, because maybe that's why I'm feeling he's like an eternal.

1491
01:20:14.640 --> 01:20:18.720
But no, I think this doctor is, and maybe that's why it's one of his strongest stories.

1492
01:20:18.779 --> 01:20:19.560
Another reason.

1493
01:20:19.619 --> 01:20:21.420
He's much closer to the coolness.

1494
01:20:22.260 --> 01:20:26.039
I think, I mean, I've said before, I think he's a proper actor.

1495
01:20:26.100 --> 01:20:33.119
You know, I think he's one of the best actors to ever take the role and certainly in the classic series, there's nothing, you know, he just...

1496
01:20:33.119 --> 01:20:34.380
Oh, we'll have a snort of that, love.

1497
01:20:34.439 --> 01:20:34.800
Thank you.

1498
01:20:34.920 --> 01:20:40.079
He's got such crappy lines and he just works so hard to try and make them work.

1499
01:20:40.140 --> 01:20:42.479
In my rewatch of this.

1500
01:20:42.539 --> 01:20:45.600
This is the this is the story where I began to like him.

1501
01:20:45.659 --> 01:20:46.560
Really?

1502
01:20:46.619 --> 01:20:47.399
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1503
01:20:47.460 --> 01:20:49.439
I'm with you on this, Todd.

1504
01:20:49.500 --> 01:20:53.699
I was never a massive Peter fan, although he was my era, but watching it again.

1505
01:20:53.819 --> 01:20:58.319
He's just, he's standing back, he's very deliberate, he's very calm. hes very clear.

1506
01:20:58.380 --> 01:21:01.079
It's, it's really strong.

1507
01:21:01.140 --> 01:21:07.079
And, and, you know, coming off Tom's acting performance as well.

1508
01:21:07.140 --> 01:21:09.180
You know, we had such a different expectation.

1509
01:21:09.239 --> 01:21:10.439
Oh no, I love Tom.

1510
01:21:10.500 --> 01:21:11.760
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1511
01:21:11.819 --> 01:21:12.899
I was just I was trying to do Tom.

1512
01:21:20.279 --> 01:21:27.060
Linda, Linda, Linda, darling, what you really needed this scene is a talking badger.

1513
01:21:27.479 --> 01:21:29.460
Oh, oh, I see.

1514
01:21:29.520 --> 01:21:30.960
I see you've got one on your head.

1515
01:21:31.020 --> 01:21:31.560
Never mind.

1516
01:21:33.060 --> 01:21:36.720
Miriam's left me this cabbage because she...

1517
01:21:43.380 --> 01:21:45.420
Oh wow.

1518
01:21:45.479 --> 01:21:48.600
I got very excited about the winnings just then.

1519
01:21:54.779 --> 01:21:58.800
That's when you have good microphone technique, James, when you're coughing.

1520
01:22:04.859 --> 01:22:08.880
So who created Enlightenment and why would do Eternals need it?

1521
01:22:08.939 --> 01:22:11.039
Yeah, it's strange, isn't it?

1522
01:22:11.100 --> 01:22:12.779
But again, I don't want to know.

1523
01:22:12.840 --> 01:22:20.760
Like, I don't need Jodie Whittaker to come in and give me a soil and tell you...

1524
01:22:20.819 --> 01:22:23.279
Yeah, she lady splains everything, doesn't she?

1525
01:22:23.340 --> 01:22:25.739
Don't worry, she'll do it again.

1526
01:22:28.800 --> 01:22:45.479
It does suggest that, and there's this age, age old cod comic strip thing that, you know, relative philosophy, that the greatest position to have is, is um, ephemerality or is vulnerability or is the freedom of choice and unknowing.

1527
01:22:45.539 --> 01:22:54.720
Yeah, well, they've been around for so long and so little at their lives is ever at stake that they're bored, you know, and I really, really like that.

1528
01:22:54.779 --> 01:23:03.539
And I like the idea that if there are gods, they can't possibly care about it or they can't possibly empathise with us.

1529
01:23:03.600 --> 01:23:08.399
And I think that's, you know, that's a very old observation about what the gods are like.

1530
01:23:08.460 --> 01:23:10.079
It's what they're like in the Iliad.

1531
01:23:10.140 --> 01:23:12.779
You know, I think it's great.

1532
01:23:13.739 --> 01:23:19.140
Oh, looking, he's some very diverse people on television for 1980.

1533
01:23:19.380 --> 01:23:20.220
Three?

1534
01:23:27.300 --> 01:23:29.340
We're walking the plane.

1535
01:23:29.399 --> 01:23:30.000
Whee.

1536
01:23:30.060 --> 01:23:31.859
Poor old pink show.

1537
01:23:31.920 --> 01:23:33.060
That happened a little bit early.

1538
01:23:34.619 --> 01:23:36.779
That sudden edit.

1539
01:23:36.840 --> 01:23:39.119
Let him fall off first, I think.

1540
01:23:42.180 --> 01:23:47.520
Now if you do not exist in time, therefore, our concept of that can only mean that you are static.

1541
01:23:47.760 --> 01:23:49.199
Yeah.

1542
01:23:49.260 --> 01:23:50.640
How's she ever going to finish that drink?

1543
01:23:52.140 --> 01:23:53.760
Yeah, exactly.

1544
01:23:53.819 --> 01:23:54.539
Priorities.

1545
01:23:55.260 --> 01:23:56.880
That's it.

1546
01:23:56.939 --> 01:23:59.279
The worst thing about being eternal.

1547
01:23:59.760 --> 01:24:03.060
It's completely impossible to be an alcoholic.

1548
01:24:09.119 --> 01:24:11.760
Actually, when does she not have a drink in her hand?

1549
01:24:14.819 --> 01:24:15.840
Linda or Janet?

1550
01:24:19.260 --> 01:24:22.260
And she's fingering Janet's tiara.

1551
01:24:26.220 --> 01:24:30.000
Even a mucky one such as yours, she said, yes.

1552
01:24:30.539 --> 01:24:31.979
James.

1553
01:24:33.479 --> 01:24:36.960
My God, the TV started talking back to us.

1554
01:24:43.020 --> 01:24:45.479
I'm sorry, I drowned out my catchphrase just then.

1555
01:24:45.539 --> 01:25:10.199
Even this, you know, like, is about Turlow as a character in a way that this story probably should have been, you know, more than just Valentine Dial kind of threatening him pointlessly and him kind of snivelling and stuff, having her talk about his, you know, what he's like as a person, having someone who can read his mind while all this is going on.

1556
01:25:10.260 --> 01:25:13.260
I mean, that whole thing is so massively underdeveloped, isn't it?

1557
01:25:13.319 --> 01:25:14.939
For this whole trilogy.

1558
01:25:15.000 --> 01:25:20.399
Like whenever Doctor Who does arcs at this point, they kind of bolt them on, really.

1559
01:25:20.460 --> 01:25:21.420
Yeah.

1560
01:25:21.420 --> 01:25:24.840
Is that the inside of next year's console?

1561
01:25:25.560 --> 01:25:28.020
Having a snort, yes.

1562
01:25:28.380 --> 01:25:30.300
Men heave.

1563
01:25:30.359 --> 01:25:31.380
Well, indeed.

1564
01:25:32.520 --> 01:25:38.100
I will say, though, that scene with Turlo and Rack is very clever because this is episode four.

1565
01:25:38.159 --> 01:25:40.319
It reestablishes who the Eternals are.

1566
01:25:40.380 --> 01:25:58.500
It establishes that they can't die, but also that they can read minds and they take personalities from people whose minds they read and it establishes, reestablishes Turlo's relationship with the Black Guardian and his instinct for self-preservation, all without speechifying.

1567
01:25:58.560 --> 01:25:59.399
Yeah, yeah.

1568
01:25:59.399 --> 01:26:01.079
It does it with dialogue.

1569
01:26:01.140 --> 01:26:05.819
And I'm quite a fan of Jody speechifying, but that was a masterful, masterful bit of scripture.

1570
01:26:05.880 --> 01:26:06.960
Wow, look at the acting.

1571
01:26:07.079 --> 01:26:07.739
Look at Lee John.

1572
01:26:09.779 --> 01:26:12.899
He's earning his pay this week, isn't he?

1573
01:26:12.960 --> 01:26:15.539
Bless him. pumping it out.

1574
01:26:19.739 --> 01:26:26.760
Again, there's the sense of it moves at the same paces. wind in your spinnaker, doesn't it, on a slow day?

1575
01:26:26.819 --> 01:26:27.899
And that's a good thing.

1576
01:26:27.960 --> 01:26:29.159
That is okay.

1577
01:26:29.220 --> 01:26:34.260
I do think that we don't get much of a sense of the race throughout.

1578
01:26:34.319 --> 01:26:35.340
No, we don't.

1579
01:26:35.399 --> 01:26:36.960
There's a lot of ships out of bottles.

1580
01:26:37.020 --> 01:26:38.399
You know, yeah.

1581
01:26:38.460 --> 01:26:51.720
But and I guess that would be the thing that prompted the, you know, people's desire to do a special edition because the one thing the special edition does do is a better, you know, a better job.

1582
01:26:51.720 --> 01:26:54.060
Ships moving fast rather than just fluttering away.

1583
01:26:54.119 --> 01:26:55.199
You see more of the race.

1584
01:26:55.260 --> 01:26:56.220
Yeah, yeah.

1585
01:26:56.279 --> 01:26:58.020
And the race is spectacular.

1586
01:26:58.079 --> 01:26:58.920
It's a great idea.

1587
01:27:01.979 --> 01:27:13.800
And it's so weird for this period of Doctor Who, this period of sort of tin clavic minds and, you know, bastic explosives and stuff, you know, where it's all so science fiction-y.

1588
01:27:14.399 --> 01:27:16.560
I think there's an Arthur C.

1589
01:27:16.560 --> 01:27:17.039
Clark book.

1590
01:27:17.100 --> 01:27:23.880
This may have called on the sun jammers or the wind of the sun or something like this, which is almost exactly like this.

1591
01:27:23.939 --> 01:27:26.279
There is, it reminded me as well.

1592
01:27:26.340 --> 01:27:27.300
Yep, there is.

1593
01:27:30.359 --> 01:27:34.619
If any of the ships had been done by industrial light and magic, though.

1594
01:27:35.460 --> 01:27:37.619
No, I like real prop.

1595
01:27:37.979 --> 01:27:38.460
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1596
01:27:38.520 --> 01:27:39.600
No, that's what I mean.

1597
01:27:39.659 --> 01:27:43.020
Real prop, you know, emotional controlled cameras.

1598
01:27:43.079 --> 01:27:44.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1599
01:27:44.220 --> 01:27:44.699
Yeah.

1600
01:27:44.760 --> 01:27:46.020
That's cool.

1601
01:27:46.140 --> 01:27:48.899
Oh, she's just a poor girl from a poor family.

1602
01:27:55.619 --> 01:27:56.819
Part of a duel.

1603
01:27:56.939 --> 01:28:00.239
Yes, Caramouche, speak to me.

1604
01:28:01.859 --> 01:28:04.739
Oh, and that's a twist too, isn't it?

1605
01:28:04.800 --> 01:28:09.000
I'd forgotten about that, that she's... with the black guardian.

1606
01:28:09.659 --> 01:28:12.720
She was the shadow all the time.

1607
01:28:12.779 --> 01:28:16.319
The shadow that accompanies us all.

1608
01:28:16.380 --> 01:28:17.640
I wish.

1609
01:28:17.699 --> 01:28:19.439
That would have been fun.

1610
01:28:19.800 --> 01:28:22.319
She's only got one nose, though.

1611
01:28:22.380 --> 01:28:25.380
Yeah, that's always a disappointment.

1612
01:28:31.439 --> 01:28:34.800
See, this isn't the smartest thing that Pete ever does, is it?

1613
01:28:35.220 --> 01:28:39.659
Smash it into a lot of pieces that are very hard to become.

1614
01:28:40.500 --> 01:28:44.460
As a kid, I'm going, like, it's going to blow up the ship.

1615
01:28:44.460 --> 01:28:45.899
Like, there's still some left there.

1616
01:28:46.140 --> 01:28:46.619
Get it all.

1617
01:28:47.340 --> 01:28:50.880
Why didn't you just pick up the bloody tiara?

1618
01:28:50.939 --> 01:28:54.180
Maybe it's a, well, it is a crystal.

1619
01:28:54.239 --> 01:28:58.920
You know, like maybe you just thought if he smashed it all up, then it wouldn't have its crystalline structure.

1620
01:28:58.979 --> 01:29:01.859
This has been chemistry corn.

1621
01:29:04.319 --> 01:29:06.779
Pete, you missed, mate.

1622
01:29:09.239 --> 01:29:12.359
She's taking an awful long time to focus.

1623
01:29:13.140 --> 01:29:14.819
Oh, no, come on.

1624
01:29:14.880 --> 01:29:16.859
There lots of Linda Baronheads now. here we go.

1625
01:29:16.920 --> 01:29:17.579
Yes.

1626
01:29:17.579 --> 01:29:19.020
Just like Pete's Regeneration.

1627
01:29:19.079 --> 01:29:20.159
Only much better.

1628
01:29:20.880 --> 01:29:23.220
I'm getting a bit dizzy now.

1629
01:29:23.819 --> 01:29:26.939
I can stop. making me giddy.

1630
01:29:29.039 --> 01:29:32.939
Linda, you're a wonderful actress Linda, we love you.

1631
01:29:33.000 --> 01:29:34.079
Linda, Linda.

1632
01:29:34.380 --> 01:29:41.520
Linda, Linda, you must die. wouldn't you just pick up the carpet?

1633
01:29:42.659 --> 01:29:44.399
Exactly, James.

1634
01:29:44.460 --> 01:29:45.539
Exactly.

1635
01:29:45.600 --> 01:29:48.060
What a good observation Are we still doing freezing?

1636
01:29:48.119 --> 01:29:48.659
carpet.

1637
01:29:48.720 --> 01:29:49.920
Just roll up the carpet.

1638
01:29:49.979 --> 01:29:52.140
Oh, no, let's put all these little tiny pieces.

1639
01:29:52.199 --> 01:29:53.220
Put them in getting all of them.

1640
01:29:53.279 --> 01:29:54.060
Pick that one up.

1641
01:29:54.060 --> 01:29:54.479
No.

1642
01:29:54.479 --> 01:29:56.760
No, we just have more than limited. fine.

1643
01:29:56.819 --> 01:29:57.899
Janet's old knickers.

1644
01:29:59.699 --> 01:30:01.920
I love Pete running.

1645
01:30:02.220 --> 01:30:03.659
So great.

1646
01:30:03.720 --> 01:30:04.439
He's so good.

1647
01:30:04.500 --> 01:30:06.420
Round and round the cross.

1648
01:30:06.420 --> 01:30:07.680
David Tennant rips that off.

1649
01:30:07.800 --> 01:30:08.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1650
01:30:08.760 --> 01:30:11.279
Well, I mean, Eccleston's 1st word is run.

1651
01:30:11.340 --> 01:30:15.420
I think Pete running is hugely important for how...

1652
01:30:15.479 --> 01:30:17.520
No, but I mean the style of running that run.

1653
01:30:17.579 --> 01:30:20.279
The tenant does is very Pete.

1654
01:30:20.340 --> 01:30:22.500
But then Pete was his doctor, no?

1655
01:30:22.560 --> 01:30:23.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1656
01:30:23.340 --> 01:30:24.720
And he's massively out of breath now.

1657
01:30:24.779 --> 01:30:25.739
Oh here we go.

1658
01:30:25.800 --> 01:30:27.180
I was always falling over.

1659
01:30:27.300 --> 01:30:30.300
Peed in pain falling over is always great. fun, isn't it?

1660
01:30:30.420 --> 01:30:31.260
Why is he in pain?

1661
01:30:31.319 --> 01:30:32.939
Because he's out of breath.

1662
01:30:33.119 --> 01:30:36.420
I thought he had a respiratory bypass.

1663
01:30:37.500 --> 01:30:39.479
That's going to explose.

1664
01:30:39.539 --> 01:30:41.340
Will it be the same explosion?

1665
01:30:41.399 --> 01:30:43.140
Oh, good question.

1666
01:30:46.260 --> 01:30:48.840
No, exploding knickers.

1667
01:30:49.439 --> 01:30:51.060
TM.

1668
01:30:51.119 --> 01:30:52.920
Janet's exploding knickers.

1669
01:30:52.979 --> 01:30:54.420
That is our podcast title.

1670
01:30:59.100 --> 01:31:03.539
I did think I would call it Linda Barron's ample commentary.

1671
01:31:04.979 --> 01:31:09.359
One of us would have to say that during the commentary for that to work.

1672
01:31:09.779 --> 01:31:15.000
Well, none of us said El Commentary del Mundo in the day, so that's fine.

1673
01:31:15.119 --> 01:31:16.140
That's not our rule.

1674
01:31:24.060 --> 01:31:25.560
This is great.

1675
01:31:25.619 --> 01:31:26.520
Yeah, it really is.

1676
01:31:26.579 --> 01:31:28.319
Yeah, they're empty.

1677
01:31:28.380 --> 01:31:29.340
Yeah, yeah.

1678
01:31:30.239 --> 01:31:33.359
Oh, sorry, Pete. trod on your line.

1679
01:31:36.420 --> 01:31:37.500
What is it?

1680
01:31:39.180 --> 01:31:43.500
I was gonna make a joke, but it's far too filthy for this podcast.

1681
01:31:43.920 --> 01:31:45.659
Oh here we go.

1682
01:31:45.779 --> 01:31:47.399
Oh, lady.

1683
01:31:47.399 --> 01:31:48.600
Oh, love you.

1684
01:31:49.260 --> 01:31:51.720
He just looked at the camera.

1685
01:31:53.579 --> 01:31:59.760
If only if only Matthew Waterhouse was still here to explain to do that.

1686
01:32:00.359 --> 01:32:02.220
Look at the camera.

1687
01:32:02.279 --> 01:32:06.180
Unless you're Linda Baron, it's the end it's the end of an episode, yes.

1688
01:32:06.239 --> 01:32:12.119
Yes, it really infuriated Richard and Todd when Kim Morton did that to Richard Todd.

1689
01:32:19.979 --> 01:32:23.100
When did you have time to get out of that massive frock?

1690
01:32:23.159 --> 01:32:23.760
Yes.

1691
01:32:23.819 --> 01:32:25.560
Which took a 2 hours to put on.

1692
01:32:25.619 --> 01:32:26.039
Yeah.

1693
01:32:26.100 --> 01:32:29.039
Mariner just thought about it.

1694
01:32:29.579 --> 01:32:31.560
It was super embarrassing.

1695
01:32:34.619 --> 01:32:35.819
Oh, thank you.

1696
01:32:36.600 --> 01:32:38.640
Oh, that's right.

1697
01:32:38.699 --> 01:32:40.439
It was hidden in his mind.

1698
01:32:40.560 --> 01:32:41.039
Yes.

1699
01:32:41.100 --> 01:32:42.060
Cool.

1700
01:32:42.119 --> 01:32:45.119
I love that. did the world of good.

1701
01:32:48.180 --> 01:32:52.739
Rack is completely outstripping Tegan.

1702
01:32:53.880 --> 01:32:56.460
Wow, he's so good, isn't he?

1703
01:32:56.520 --> 01:32:57.899
Whishing.

1704
01:32:57.960 --> 01:32:59.100
Wishingly good.

1705
01:32:59.159 --> 01:33:01.079
He's not meant to be able to do that.

1706
01:33:01.199 --> 01:33:02.760
I didn't just say warp, warp.

1707
01:33:02.819 --> 01:33:04.979
Yeah, or whizzing crooning.

1708
01:33:08.100 --> 01:33:09.180
No, stop.

1709
01:33:12.300 --> 01:33:14.460
How old do we think she is then?

1710
01:33:14.460 --> 01:33:18.300
Because, I mean, obviously she's back in closing time many 100s of years later.

1711
01:33:18.359 --> 01:33:21.659
No, she's still Nurse Gladys Emmanuel, most time.

1712
01:33:21.720 --> 01:33:23.760
Do you think she's 40?

1713
01:33:23.880 --> 01:33:24.779
Oh yeah.

1714
01:33:24.840 --> 01:33:26.939
Yeah, that, that, that could be it.

1715
01:33:27.000 --> 01:33:30.659
Every woman of a certain age is 40. 40 right now.

1716
01:33:30.720 --> 01:33:31.800
Oh, look at that.

1717
01:33:31.859 --> 01:33:32.579
That is a big one.

1718
01:33:32.640 --> 01:33:34.079
It is a great one, isn't it?

1719
01:33:34.140 --> 01:33:34.560
They're all.

1720
01:33:34.560 --> 01:33:44.220
But we're also getting, it's funny you mentioned the Iliad, because we're getting quite a bit of Greek acting in this, aren't we, standing up and...

1721
01:33:44.220 --> 01:33:45.359
Yeah, well, those...

1722
01:33:45.420 --> 01:33:50.819
Another 3 shot where they're just looking, not at the camera, but they're just sort of directed at the camera.

1723
01:33:50.880 --> 01:33:53.699
And it gives, she's doing a great job there too.

1724
01:33:53.760 --> 01:33:58.560
With them being super impassive. 79 now.

1725
01:33:58.619 --> 01:33:59.159
Yeah.

1726
01:34:02.220 --> 01:34:03.960
This is 36 years ago.

1727
01:34:04.020 --> 01:34:05.460
I don't know.

1728
01:34:05.520 --> 01:34:06.479
What age?

1729
01:34:06.479 --> 01:34:07.079
Around about that.

1730
01:34:07.140 --> 01:34:08.520
So yeah, it should be 43.

1731
01:34:08.939 --> 01:34:11.100
I always forget to factor in the 90s when I do this.

1732
01:34:12.359 --> 01:34:13.739
I think we all do happen.

1733
01:34:13.800 --> 01:34:15.600
They didn't happen to me either.

1734
01:34:15.659 --> 01:34:25.800
But it's interesting how, like, she and him get jettisoned and you see those images go, but the other people get put across the plank, just disappear.

1735
01:34:25.859 --> 01:34:26.340
They disappear.

1736
01:34:26.399 --> 01:34:26.579
Yeah.

1737
01:34:27.539 --> 01:34:31.920
That is a beautiful, whatever the hell that is, isn't it?

1738
01:34:32.100 --> 01:34:35.640
Yeah, I do love that line from Mariner.

1739
01:34:35.699 --> 01:34:36.239
What is grief?

1740
01:34:36.300 --> 01:34:38.640
Because we already know that Mariner doesn't know what love is.

1741
01:34:38.699 --> 01:34:44.399
And so we feel sorry for him, but then we realise, oh, this also means you would never feel sad and you would never feel sorrow.

1742
01:34:44.460 --> 01:34:45.300
Yeah.

1743
01:34:45.300 --> 01:34:45.960
Yeah.

1744
01:34:46.020 --> 01:34:51.300
And just the fact that, you know, Tegan doesn't answer, but immediately turns up, like, you know, why are we going over there?

1745
01:34:51.359 --> 01:34:54.119
Um, it's just another beautiful scene.

1746
01:34:54.180 --> 01:34:57.539
I could watch Christopher Brown and Janet Fielding just in a 2 handed play.

1747
01:34:58.079 --> 01:35:02.399
And now we have... 12 episode.

1748
01:35:02.460 --> 01:35:02.819
Yes.

1749
01:35:02.880 --> 01:35:05.039
It's a king to surprise.

1750
01:35:07.199 --> 01:35:11.220
That's the shiny crystalline ship thing.

1751
01:35:11.279 --> 01:35:12.539
Yeah.

1752
01:35:12.539 --> 01:35:17.819
And also that you don't see what enlightenment means to lots of people.

1753
01:35:17.880 --> 01:35:21.300
It would be good if you would have seen what it meant to Mariner or Tegan or whatever.

1754
01:35:21.359 --> 01:35:21.899
Exactly.

1755
01:35:21.899 --> 01:35:26.159
But now it's just like suddenly turns into a little bomb when you when you push it off a table.

1756
01:35:27.119 --> 01:35:31.439
Look at the googly eyes on Cyril Luckham's duck.

1757
01:35:34.380 --> 01:35:36.359
That's terrible.

1758
01:35:36.420 --> 01:35:43.199
It's it's like it's done a big line of coke or taking a shit.

1759
01:35:43.319 --> 01:35:44.699
Oh, it did, all over his head.

1760
01:35:46.020 --> 01:35:51.000
Okay, we're marking the time code for this..

1761
01:35:52.739 --> 01:35:54.659
One hour and 37 minutes.

1762
01:35:55.500 --> 01:36:00.659
I do feel if Bowie had lived just a bit longer, he'd have been wearing these outfits.

1763
01:36:01.619 --> 01:36:03.840
We all were back.

1764
01:36:03.899 --> 01:36:04.739
It's Cruise Green.

1765
01:36:04.800 --> 01:36:06.239
Guys are too young to remember that.

1766
01:36:06.479 --> 01:36:09.539
Is this where the Shadows and the Vorlons came from?

1767
01:36:09.600 --> 01:36:11.279
Interesting thought.

1768
01:36:11.399 --> 01:36:13.680
Because JMS was a fan.

1769
01:36:13.800 --> 01:36:14.279
He was.

1770
01:36:14.340 --> 01:36:16.739
That kind of surprise is really annoying me now.

1771
01:36:16.800 --> 01:36:19.979
You'll never, Richard's ruined that.

1772
01:36:20.520 --> 01:36:27.300
But I agree with Colin, the idea of being able to see what, what, just more of this.

1773
01:36:27.359 --> 01:36:30.239
It's really kind of too late in the day, isn't it?

1774
01:36:30.239 --> 01:36:34.920
And just a little bit of McGuffin that also works as a night light and Pokemon.

1775
01:36:34.979 --> 01:36:40.020
Yeah, and you wouldn't be able to fight in America, but you could buy a semi-automatic weapon.

1776
01:36:43.319 --> 01:36:46.079
I guess it is a McGuffin, isn't it?

1777
01:36:46.140 --> 01:36:47.159
Like, yeah.

1778
01:36:50.220 --> 01:36:53.760
Did me own air for this, just like that William Parnell.

1779
01:36:54.659 --> 01:36:57.060
Wow, he really does.

1780
01:36:57.119 --> 01:37:01.319
If Billy had lived, that's exactly what he would have been like with a duck on his head.

1781
01:37:01.380 --> 01:37:02.640
And a lot of foundation.

1782
01:37:05.699 --> 01:37:07.319
Oh, I feel sad to lose them.

1783
01:37:08.880 --> 01:37:11.880
It does look like an egg cup, doesn't it?

1784
01:37:12.239 --> 01:37:23.760
There's an implication for me there that this whole thing was set up by the White Guardian because he's the one who sends the Eternals back and he's the one who sort of dismisses Mariner when Mariner says I don't want to go.

1785
01:37:23.819 --> 01:37:25.979
He's like back, back into the void.

1786
01:37:26.100 --> 01:37:27.720
You know, it's...

1787
01:37:27.720 --> 01:37:28.500
Oh, the void.

1788
01:37:28.560 --> 01:37:29.760
That's why, yeah, yeah.

1789
01:37:29.880 --> 01:37:32.220
Now they've taken off the...

1790
01:37:32.220 --> 01:37:33.060
Top.

1791
01:37:33.539 --> 01:37:35.640
And we see the diamond.

1792
01:37:35.699 --> 01:37:37.020
Wow.

1793
01:37:37.020 --> 01:37:40.079
That really doesn't look like a diamond.

1794
01:37:41.100 --> 01:37:43.979
I think Heston Blumenthal's made that.

1795
01:37:43.979 --> 01:37:49.380
Almost like the BBC doing man of steel, isn't it?

1796
01:37:49.439 --> 01:37:52.260
Is that what we said all that was for?

1797
01:37:52.260 --> 01:37:52.920
Unless, of course.

1798
01:37:53.279 --> 01:37:55.500
Ah, yes.

1799
01:37:55.560 --> 01:37:57.659
I'm not talking out of my darkness.

1800
01:37:57.720 --> 01:37:58.439
Oh goodness.

1801
01:38:00.119 --> 01:38:02.880
Those eyebrows are stupid aren't they?

1802
01:38:02.939 --> 01:38:04.800
Has anyone ever said that?

1803
01:38:04.859 --> 01:38:09.060
Well, I think he's looked at Valentine dial and thought, how can I achieve the same look?

1804
01:38:09.960 --> 01:38:11.520
Yeah.

1805
01:38:11.579 --> 01:38:13.739
God, that duh.

1806
01:38:13.800 --> 01:38:14.939
That is so bad.

1807
01:38:15.359 --> 01:38:17.939
That's what they should have CGI.

1808
01:38:18.000 --> 01:38:18.539
Yeah.

1809
01:38:18.539 --> 01:38:22.199
Literally, CG.

1810
01:38:22.979 --> 01:38:27.960
Yeah, like they could have had the dark blinking and stuff, like doing reaction.

1811
01:38:28.020 --> 01:38:32.100
Smiling. like quirming.

1812
01:38:32.100 --> 01:38:33.960
Reaction just before that.

1813
01:38:34.020 --> 01:38:37.260
Oh, that really?

1814
01:38:38.399 --> 01:38:40.380
That's not a bad effect.

1815
01:38:40.439 --> 01:38:41.220
No, not bad.

1816
01:38:41.220 --> 01:38:43.380
We did this great effect back in 79.

1817
01:38:43.560 --> 01:38:44.220
Let's do it again.

1818
01:38:44.279 --> 01:38:46.680
No, but they set fire to that chair.

1819
01:38:46.739 --> 01:38:47.819
Yeah, really?

1820
01:38:47.819 --> 01:38:50.220
Sorry, I wasn't looking for many hours, 78?

1821
01:38:50.279 --> 01:38:55.079
And that way, Pete's just standing at the side, just observing everything and letting, well, Turlow.

1822
01:38:55.199 --> 01:38:56.159
Yeah, Colin.

1823
01:38:56.279 --> 01:38:57.539
I want Tegan to have a meltdown.

1824
01:38:57.600 --> 01:38:59.939
Oh, he's just throwing a bit of Scomo's coal in as well.

1825
01:38:59.939 --> 01:39:02.220
I want to see taking over meltdown.

1826
01:39:02.279 --> 01:39:06.180
You mean you were trying to kill us all the time, you certain person I can't say on a podcast?

1827
01:39:06.239 --> 01:39:07.619
No, where she's at.

1828
01:39:07.619 --> 01:39:08.159
James can.

1829
01:39:08.220 --> 01:39:10.140
She's actually she is cross with them.

1830
01:39:10.199 --> 01:39:10.920
Yeah.

1831
01:39:13.979 --> 01:39:14.760
Great line.

1832
01:39:14.819 --> 01:39:16.319
Yeah, that is good.

1833
01:39:16.319 --> 01:39:17.340
It is.

1834
01:39:17.579 --> 01:39:21.600
Although Charles Daniels points out, so what was the diamond then?

1835
01:39:22.560 --> 01:39:24.119
What was it?

1836
01:39:24.180 --> 01:39:25.140
Why did it make him blow up?

1837
01:39:25.199 --> 01:39:27.960
It's all part of an IKEA furniture set.

1838
01:39:28.020 --> 01:39:29.039
A bathtub.

1839
01:39:30.180 --> 01:39:31.079
So a 3rd encounter.

1840
01:39:31.140 --> 01:39:32.460
In big finish.

1841
01:39:32.699 --> 01:39:34.619
No, season 12.

1842
01:39:34.859 --> 01:39:36.180
Series 12, whatever.

1843
01:39:36.239 --> 01:39:37.260
Nah, wait.

1844
01:39:37.260 --> 01:39:38.460
Finish has already done it.

1845
01:39:40.260 --> 01:39:42.180
And it was better than this.

1846
01:39:51.239 --> 01:39:51.840
Uh.

1847
01:39:52.020 --> 01:39:54.000
No, we won't be doing that.

1848
01:39:54.060 --> 01:39:55.079
No.

1849
01:39:55.140 --> 01:39:55.619
No.

1850
01:39:55.680 --> 01:39:56.640
I've got the budget.

1851
01:39:57.180 --> 01:39:59.399
In fact, we're never going to do that.

1852
01:39:59.460 --> 01:40:02.579
It ends on such a Soto note, doesn't it?

1853
01:40:02.640 --> 01:40:06.840
It's kind of, should be an end of season thing, really, shouldn't it?

1854
01:40:06.899 --> 01:40:07.680
Yeah.

1855
01:40:07.739 --> 01:40:11.939
You can all come back next week for my demons.

1856
01:40:12.060 --> 01:40:14.640
So well, let's do the commentary on that now.

1857
01:40:15.659 --> 01:40:17.100
Bye.

1858
01:40:17.159 --> 01:40:18.119
You've got nothing on.

1859
01:40:18.180 --> 01:40:18.779
I know.

1860
01:40:18.840 --> 01:40:20.819
I'll take you to...

1861
01:40:20.880 --> 01:40:22.500
Blackpool.

1862
01:40:22.560 --> 01:40:28.680
So does anyone have any sort of closing remarks because I'm going to take the better mic off, James?

1863
01:40:28.800 --> 01:40:29.340
Rosette.

1864
01:40:30.539 --> 01:40:32.159
I enjoyed it.

1865
01:40:32.220 --> 01:40:33.359
Enjoyed it thoroughly.

1866
01:40:33.420 --> 01:40:34.380
Yeah, yeah.

1867
01:40:34.500 --> 01:40:43.619
Yeah, I think it's one of the best, if not the best Davison story. got a good plot, it's got heart, it's got good stuff for all the regulars.

1868
01:40:44.100 --> 01:40:45.659
And a pretty great guest cast.

1869
01:40:45.720 --> 01:40:48.060
I mean, even Lee John, who's not a good actor, is entertaining.

1870
01:40:48.119 --> 01:40:48.600
So, you know.

1871
01:40:48.659 --> 01:40:49.319
Exactly.

1872
01:40:52.380 --> 01:40:52.979
I love it.

1873
01:40:53.039 --> 01:40:54.539
I think it's one of my favourites as well.

1874
01:40:54.600 --> 01:40:56.640
It's beautifully directed.

1875
01:40:56.699 --> 01:40:58.079
The script is great.

1876
01:40:58.140 --> 01:41:00.359
Mariners, terrific character.

1877
01:41:00.420 --> 01:41:01.500
Great music, love it.

1878
01:41:05.100 --> 01:41:06.600
James.

1879
01:41:06.659 --> 01:41:09.659
I have no particular opinion about this story.

1880
01:41:10.319 --> 01:41:12.479
Thanks for joining us.

1881
01:41:12.539 --> 01:41:14.760
And that's why you're on the podcast.

1882
01:41:16.140 --> 01:41:16.979
All right.

1883
01:41:17.039 --> 01:41:20.159
Well, dear listener, that's all we have time for this week.

1884
01:41:20.220 --> 01:41:26.939
We'll be back soon with a very special Christmas episode and then back in the new year with our coverage of series 2.

1885
01:41:27.239 --> 01:41:29.579
Over on Jody interterra.

1886
01:41:29.640 --> 01:41:32.880
You can hear our hot takes on every episode of series 11.

1887
01:41:33.180 --> 01:41:38.880
That's Jodieintterra.com, Jodie Interterra on Apple Podcasts and at Jodie Interterra on Twitter.

1888
01:41:38.939 --> 01:41:48.000
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1889
01:41:48.060 --> 01:41:52.979
That's bondfinger.com, bondfinger on Facebook and Apple Podcasts and at bondfingercast on Twitter.

1890
01:41:53.039 --> 01:42:01.140
Until next time, may you have the wisdom to realise that Enlightenment wasn't the commentary it was the friends we made along the way.

1891
01:42:01.319 --> 01:42:04.380
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1892
01:42:04.439 --> 01:42:05.760
See you soon.

1893
01:42:05.819 --> 01:42:06.479
Good night.

1894
01:42:06.539 --> 01:42:07.020
Cheerio.

1895
01:42:07.079 --> 01:42:07.439
Good night.