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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flightthrough Entirety

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the only Doctor Who podcast from a parallel universe where every

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beloved Doctor Who classic is in reality just terribly tiresome.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm Brendan.

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And I'm a complimentary tray of WD 40 centred spumanti for this

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one. since I'm in the kitchen again.

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Hi folks.

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Well, the entire time vortex has collapsed, and we've landed in a

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dystopian version of Britain, where the bewildered populace are

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skulking in the streets, while the Toffs are sailing around in

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Zeppelins, drinking champagne and generally enjoying Brexit.

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Thank God, really, for the rise of the cybermen.

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So, uh, can we all agree that Roger Lloyd Pack is really terrible

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in this?

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No.

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I can never decide whether I like him or not, but I think I fall

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on the side of liking him.

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I appreciate his aimoral disdain for the audience.

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I appreciate that he is seeing us all as some panto hoopla, sticky

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children, and he's just throwing us a whole lot of really, look, it

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actually, it's Barnum and Bailey.

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It's just, or, you know, any vaudeville old act, and I think

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Doctor Who does vaudeville beautifully.

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So really, he's the celestial toy maker.

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It's really weird to go from sort of scenes where you've got Billy

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and Noll and David Tennant kind of doing sort of proper, you know

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emotional acting and then you go to Roger Lloyd Pack and his

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little friend.

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Well, this is something I was going to bring up later.

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Are they?

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Or is it actually that Billy and Noel are really giving us Fabe?

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Um, and this is no denigration?

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Because we all know how good these shows can actually be, Fabe

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Corey realism, or whatever, whatever the Welsh equivalent is.

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And then we've got Tenant doing his Dick Van Dyke Shtick, which is

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Canon because it's named in the actual program.

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Yes.

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And then, and I think, I'm wondering if Roger, who is a great

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funny bloke and a proper comedian and loved by everyone in the

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industry for being a genuine wit and dry and super smart on set.

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So I'm sure not having seen the um, yet.

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I'm sure the gentle listener has watched the, you know, commentary

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but I haven't seen Tenets one.

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But I know that those 2 would have been sparring off each other.

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So I actually think Roger might be picking up on tenants, acting

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style, which I'll be talking about throughout the podcast.

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Yes, a friend of the podcast, Fiona Tomney, was complaining about

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his general face pulling and sharp behaviour.

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She works with horses.

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So she knows what that's all about.

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You could stick a bridle in that thing and it'll still be gurning

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away.

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Yes, quite.

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Ah, dear.

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He does seem, you know, he is sort of a low rent version of Davros

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isn't he?

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Like he's disabled.

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David Tennant, absolutely.

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He's disabled, which is obviously unfortunate.

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No one can be as camp as Deveraux.

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No.

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Well, I mean, you compare him to Davros and Davros has...

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Well, he has Nider, but he has the range, doesn't he, darling?

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He really has the range.

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So he goes from shouty to being sort of quite quiet to being

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thoughtful.

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It's a really impressive performance from Michael Wisher.

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I agree.

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No, look, Lloyd Pack is definitely pantoing this.

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I think he's seeing it as a kiddie show.

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But I do honestly believe he's getting that from David's

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performance, which is quite hypertrophied and shticky.

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It does feel quite Disney fight.

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And watching the sensitive scenes, he, at least, well, I was going

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to say, he can't boldlerize those moments between Noel and Billy

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that I'm still sticking with the 1st episode when they're

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realising they're going down because the camera's not on him.

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When you look at it, the emotional moments work when tenants face

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isn't tenanting in the room.

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I loved him at the time, but I'm getting a real sense of you're

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acting a lot here, aren't you?

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Whereas the others are giving, I would say, a performance that I

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can feel.

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We actually talked about this at the end of last week's episode

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because he's devastated by the death of Renette at the end of the

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girl in the fireplace and he comes.

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So much so that he dated her for a little while.

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He did, yes.

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He comes into the TARDIS and he's really sombre and he's

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absolutely not doing the Doctor Who acting thing that he does.

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And it's wonderful.

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It was nice change, wasn't it?

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I think that Tennant does try to delineate between the, you know

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Dick Van Dyke apples and pears, whatever.

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And there's a scene where that really comes to the full in this

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episode where, you know, he's just done the bit with the crystal

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with Mickey, which is full-blown Dick Van Dyke, you know.

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Just wasted 10 minutes, my life.

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I like that every second.

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I really like it as well.

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And then he comes to Rose and say, oh, look, I fixed it.

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We'll be going home soon, blah, blah, blah.

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And, you know, Rose has just research Pete and Tenet's face falls

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and he's like, what is it?

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It's a total switch between grinning idiot too.

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Did you do the thing?

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I told you not to do this.

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Did you do the thing?

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You did that thing.

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Okay.

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And then you've got Mickey going off in one direction, Rose going

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off in the other.

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Am I having am I having Salford withdrawal syndrome?

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Am I?

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Am I having Eccles withdrawal?

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Um, oh, well, God, I'm still having echles because I'm measuring

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echles.

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I'm watching these again.

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I'd love to know what the lovely Liz Miles and Stevens have said

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in earlier episodes of the podcast, which are available to Down

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there. from your choice of Nathanisms. that, you know, how how

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everyone else has been taking it because I'm still seeing what

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would asking myself, what would Eccles do?

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He'd be amazing in this one.

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I'm pretty sure that the girl in the fireplace started development

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with Eccleston, and that was part of the dichotomy there that you

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had the rough Salford lad and the aristocratic mistress of the

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king of France.

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I was Lady Penelope, you know.

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Best thing about that.

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Just nobody.

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Tenant's interesting because, yeah, actually, yeah, this is the

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1st podcast I've done on a tenant story, isn't it?

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Ten is interesting because when I look back on the era, I feel

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he's the weakest of the new series doctors, but then I actually go

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back and watch them as like, oh, actually it's really hard for me

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to fault you.

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I also got the best stories.

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I mean, I, yeah, I agree.

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I feel the same way.

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I always kind of expect to be slightly irritated by him, but you

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go back and watch an episode and you are slightly irritated by him

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but it's very clear why he is one of the best remembered new

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series doctors because he had Graham Harper.

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Well, Graham Harper and Russell T. Davies as well.

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These are great seasons of Doctor Who.

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Which brings up my question, he does, is the, um, is his own 2IC

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Nider, actually Graham Harper in apotheosis in this episode

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because the casting, the bloke, I know the actor. trying to think

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who he is.

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He looks just like Graham Harper.

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Colin Spald.

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That's it, Colin Spald.

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Who is in?

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He sounds like Graham.

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He is in Revelation of the Dialects.

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He's Lil, type thing.

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Yes.

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Also, he and Graham went to school together.

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They've known each other since they were 10 or 11.

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Yeah, he's doing it.

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And so he's cast him as well.

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So we have Graham Harper and he does, I think, 4 episodes this

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season.

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That's right.

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He does these 2 and he does the finale, and these were all part of

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the one block.

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It took me 3 days.

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They exhausted the elderly gentleman, didn't they?

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to, I think, to the point that he said, I'm getting on bit for

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this.

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Well, he was very famous, I think, in his 2 classic stories of

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being super, super active and kind of running around.

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He was one of the people.

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Silicon suit, wasn't he?

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He was doing the whole dance moves.

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Sarah's Jack and everything.

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But he would direct from the floor.

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And we said, I think, at the time in our episode on Caves of

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Andrazani, that it was an astonishingly well-directed story and

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vastly, vastly better than everything that surrounded it and

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really, really stylish.

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Now he's slightly older.

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It's still, I think, very well directed, but not as markedly well

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directed because all the other directors in the era are very good

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as well.

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And visual tropes of, did we, what did we just say?

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Visual conceits have caught up as well.

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But he, I actually get that this is a nice traditional way of

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directing a program.

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There's those lovely vistas.

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I actually felt it was a little bit Disney and rocketeer.

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We'll get onto the cyberman designs in a bit, but the way it was

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shot was definitely filmic.

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And also it felt very much like some of my favourite World War 2

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British films and his shooting of the of the dirigibles of the

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airships was very much like Sir Carol Reed's shooting in his war

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biopics, which might possibly pick of the week.

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So, let's talk about the parallel universe.

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The parallel universe is kind of stolen a bit from Philip

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Pullman's his dark materials.

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Thank you for bringing that up.

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It really is, isn't it?

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And Philip Pullman actually, I think, writes the introduction to

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the writer's tale and talks about being ripped off.

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And so, um, and, you know, in an, in an admiring way, you know, um

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so the parallel universe where there are Zeppelins is the universe

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from uh, the Golden Compass, which is also called Northern

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Lights.

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Yes, it's the his dark materials.

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Yeah, Triptic.

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And he's brought out another one.

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I've got all 4 of them, another one. coming up.

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Oh, there's so many pics of the week.

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They're really great.

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I mean, if they don't come up as peaks of the week in next week's

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episode, then you really astonished or forgetful.

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Yeah, exactly. one of those.

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It is incredible.

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And it's where that image of the 2 people trapped on either side

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of a barrier between parallel universes comes from.

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So the 2 leads end up being split up and unable to get to each

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other's universe and they meet in Oxford and sit on the same park

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bench, but in different universes.

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And we will talk about that at the end of the season because, you

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know, it's, it's a huge, a huge image and and one of the most

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memorable scenes, I think, in modern who.

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That's a lovely presage because we get that moment with a wall

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don't we?

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I'm remembering.

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A friend of mine's just had chemo, which didn't work. and he's now

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because none of us are getting any younger.

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It's all right, this is a light end to this.

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That didn't work.

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So they now use this really super version of radiation therapy

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which would be the sort of thing that Roger Lloyd Pax's character

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had been having here.

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No, it's true, and the walking thing is all very difficult.

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But there are amazing results now with people who we were losing

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even just last year on this fabulous trial.

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But the nurse said to him after his 1st radiation treatment.

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Now I'll take a picky of you, look at this.

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He had an aura and he glows and she said, no, you can get a cab

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home.

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You've got to sit in the back seat and you can't share a sensitive

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moment with anyone, not even through a hole in a wall.

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She was 23.

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How does she know?

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I say, well, so I would actually note that to both Billy and David

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for the end of the year.

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So just be careful where you go with this.

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That's a plot for Star.

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So we've had a parallel universe before.

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And it was in Inferno.

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Yeah, aren't we lucky we didn't accidentally end up in this one?

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It's like, oh, we've fallen out of things and we've ended up on a

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radioactive cinder. floating around.

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Oh, there's Liz's wig.

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No, I guess I want 7 episodes and Billy and a Helen Shapiro black

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Motown wig.

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I want that.

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I mean, with a moustache.

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I think I've said before that Inferno is a bit overrated. and it's

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extraordinary.

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I think.

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Well, we can't all be right.

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No, no, no, that's true.

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I am wrong sometimes.

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I think Elle Sander says that it's the most egregious padding in a

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Doctor Who episode because you have a bunch of episodes where they

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just redo the previous episodes again in a parallel universe.

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But the thing that the parallel universe does, is gives actors at

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the end of the season, the chance to camp it up and play different

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versions of themselves.

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And so here we've got Rose's family.

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We get wonderful Sean Dingwell back with less hair, you know, as a

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successful version of himself.

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And I think attending a few fitness classes in the meantime.

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He's looking well lickable in this one.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Well, you know, he does do his health drinks.

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No, but they're just pop.

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They don't actually work.

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They just pop.

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But the interesting thing about his health drinks is that Lumek

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has a line in his voiceover of how cybers works, that the brain

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will be suspended in a blend of patent chemicals.

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Oh, you think it's viting?

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I think this is why he's bought Vitex.

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Because, you know, you consider you see all those videos.

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Well, you know, here's what coke can do to a coin and it can clean

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things and it can preserve things and it can, you know, clean your

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loo and teach your children how to do algebra.

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I think the brain is suspended in Vitex drinks.

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And I think that was the joke at the time.

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And I remember laughing at that and my mum and dad going, what?

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Nothing, nothing.

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It's copyrighted chemicals, isn't it?

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Exactly.

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Yes.

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Yeah, it's there's a sort of darkness to this too, because the

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health drinks don't work.

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They're a fake.

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And there's something about the world being sick.

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And I think that... the Mark Platt...

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Yeah.

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So Mark Platt gets a with thanks to Mark Platt credit here, even

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though Spare Parts is not very much like this story.

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Indeed, but the original concept was that it would be not exactly

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an adaptation of spare parts, but draw on it more heavily.

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And the initial drafts by Tom McRae. who was kind of a protégé of

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Russell T. Davis.

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Do we know how he got the job?

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This isn't salacious.

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I had to say that because of my face, Richard.

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Silent Muise in the room, yeah.

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No, but in...

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Had a maleficent moment.

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Shortly after queer as folk.

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Russell Davies was doing a signing and Tom McRae turned up with a

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few spec scripts.

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And so I said, Russell, I think you're wonderful.

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Could you give me some feedback?

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And Russell did and sort of nurtured him from then on.

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And yeah, gave him this opportunity.

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He was 25 when he wrote these scripts.

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It was always a parallel universe, but it was going to be a

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parallel universe where there was a plague, and that's why people

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were going in for these upgrades.

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And Russell kind of thought, well, hold on, back in the 60s, it

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was all about, oh, if you replace things with prosthetics and

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whatnot, you'll become a cyberman.

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And Russell's like, well, we have people who are amputees now who

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are experimenting with this thing and it's enriching their lives.

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It's not taking over them.

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Let's go for a different angle and that's when they decided on the

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consumerism angle.

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And even then it was going to be people going in and getting their

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arms replaced as a fashion statement and Russell went, oh, I think

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that's a bit far, but look at this new thing called an iPod.

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And I think we were a few months away from the 1st iPhone or a few

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a couple of years away from the 1st iPhone.

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So they decided to go down that angle instead.

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And that's why it moves away from spare parts so much.

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But Mark Platt did get a fee sort of for the ideas.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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I also think that the world was going to be more dystopian that it

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ends up being.

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And I gather that they pulled back on it because that was where

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Rose and Jackie were going to end up at the end of the season.

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So it couldn't be a sort of terrible world where everyone was sick

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and where there was, because there's a huge demarkation between

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rich and poor, and they do talk about food cues.

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And they do talk about, you know, the absence, the lack of

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employment.

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Yeah.

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Perfuse, heaps of homelessness.

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It's a little bit April in 2019, isn't it?

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rather than April in Paris.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And in fact, it is amazingly prescient because as you say, Brendan

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the iPhone, I think, is announced in 2006 and comes out in 2007.

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Is it that long ago?

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I heard one in two, okay.

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Yeah, yeah. it didn't come out here in Australia until a year

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later.

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So you see the phones.

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Like, Rose has a new phone for this story.

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She doesn't have her old little colourful Nokia.

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She does have a sort of upgraded phone and it is funny seeing

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these people with what are called AirPods, but look and function

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like AirPods, which you see people wearing all the time now.

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In fact, Apple does use the term AirPods for the wide headphones

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that I'm actually currently wearing.

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They're called AirPods.

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And Joe. And the idea that we all sort of have this sort of

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similar experience.

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There's that scene, which I'm not sure quite comes off, where all

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these extras stop moving in the morning and everything gets

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downloaded to them, the news and the weather and stuff.

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And it just seems to me like Twitter, you know, like every day on

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Twitter, there's something that more or less everyone is talking

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about, something that there'll be, you know, a report in the

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newspaper a day later about.

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Here's what we're talking about on Twitter today.

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And so there is this kind of cyber world that we're all sort of

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plugged into.

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And we all isolate ourselves by creating our own soundscapes, by

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not interacting with each other.

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Everyone on the bus is on their phone.

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And this is the new thing that we're anxious about.

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And we seem to be kind of, you know, anxious about it in

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anticipation because it hasn't quite hit yet in 2006, but it is

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going to hit.

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And that's the cyberman.

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And, you know, keep Pedler's original idea doesn't work anymore as

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a conception of the cybermen.

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And so we have a new reinvention of the cybermen that works really

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well now.

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We used the term cyber now in a way that wasn't really current in

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1960.

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And we have a parallel Earth instead of an upside down Earth that

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sort of wandered back into our orbit.

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I'm sure that's Malaysia.

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It's just a trick of the light, my dear, if I stand you the right

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way.

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That's Norway.

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I do have a question, though, about the AirPods, right?

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And the daily update.

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What the hell happens to bus drivers?

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crane operators and crapees artists.

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Bicyclists like myself.

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I mean, and if it's a matter of, oh, you know when the daily

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update's going to come, you pull over, why is that person in the

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middle of the road?

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I just, hmm.

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Yes.

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Yeah, it doesn't...

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I mean, that doesn't really work, the all stopping thing, but it

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is a very sort of quick and handy kind of exposition scene.

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The AirPods were, obviously not for the extras, but for the lead

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actors, were specially fitted, which didn't work and they

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constantly kept falling out.

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And you can see it most in that scene towards the end where Pete

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is talking to Rose about his marriage.

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Sean Dingwall sort of tries to keep his left ear mostly on camera

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because if he turns, you see the giant fluoro earplug that the

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AirPods are based off halfway out of his ear and he's sort of

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angling his head and trying to will it back in.

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And according to Noel Clark, is like, yeah, that's exactly what

436
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Sean Digwall was doing. is like, this is coming out.

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Can we get through the scene?

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Can we get, can we get, can we get, we did it?

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Okay.

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It's the craft, my dear.

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With sort of rigid plastic earphones, I don't know about anyone

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else.

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But if I smile with them, yeah, I can feel them shifting within my

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ear, and I'm sure that's what they can't take into account with

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these things is, yeah, when you move your mouth, which you

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occasionally do as an actor, it's gonna make the AirPods.

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Pounce up and down.

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Billy Piper manage.

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She does wear them, but they're fake, you see.

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Well, differently.

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One grin from her and her ears.

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And also they couldn't hear each other.

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The actor could hear each other.

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It's the Gene Wilder thing in, speak no evil, here, no evil.

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Or hear no evil.

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Speak, no evil, whatever that film is called.

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You know, the actors just have to look at each other and, okay

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have you finished?

459
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No, sorry, sorry, sorry.

460
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You still going?

461
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Okay.

462
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I love that scene at the party.

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You know, with Rose so angry that she has to serve people food.

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Well, again, she's a 2 weeks later.

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She needs a bath.

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I absolutely adore that scene.

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It's absolutely one of my favourite things.

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And it's when you hear Jackie calling for Rose.

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And I think it's clear a little bit too early that Rose must be a

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dog from the way that she keeps calling her.

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And then the little sort of horrible Yorkie comes in.

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It was horrible Yorkie.

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But the great thing is that Rose is about to go off on a sort of

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really soulful kind of angsty thing about how her mother in this

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universe doesn't love her or something.

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And then the dog turns up and Tenet just looks at her and herself

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laughing and completely kind of forestalls any sort of weepy

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nonsense that was about to take place.

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I think the scene where Jackie is horrible to Rose is really

480
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really. really hard to watch.

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I think it's superb.

482
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This is a real levelling moment.

483
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I was going to bring this up with the best thing about the Russell

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era is that we, you've said it many times, we care about the

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characters, and that's really what we've missed.

486
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We only really got it in seasons 10 and 11.

487
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We've had to wait this long.

488
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Yeah, this long.

489
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But the whole thing is that I really didn't care too much when

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when this Jackie, well, that Jackie disappeared into a rather

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fabulous rocketeer Art Deco hood ornament suit at the end of the

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end of the story.

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Because she's horrible.

494
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Well, it's just that I also really loved it and there's the

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subtleties and nuances of just this is a family and people are

496
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awful to each other just as much as they're not, just as much as

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they're loving.

498
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But I really like seeing them both together with a turn again.

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So I could see it's such a nice bookend to Father's Day.

500
00:23:58.440 --> 00:24:01.980
Well, we now have the roles kind of traversed and that we've

501
00:24:01.980 --> 00:24:02.339
got...

502
00:24:02.819 --> 00:24:06.900
I can really see roses, acumen and insight and subtlety as all

503
00:24:06.900 --> 00:24:12.059
Pete, but her emotional Sturman Drung and her wilful selfishness

504
00:24:12.059 --> 00:24:15.960
is a mother, of course, and they, and they, but we are all all

505
00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:18.359
things at once, depending on which we favour.

506
00:24:18.420 --> 00:24:22.559
She's emotionally like parallel universe, Jackie, actually.

507
00:24:22.619 --> 00:24:24.599
She looks bloody good too.

508
00:24:24.660 --> 00:24:28.680
Yeah, she brings her breasts with her after this episode. full

509
00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:29.700
frontal and forward, yes.

510
00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:34.140
And according to Camille, she was only 39 during filming.

511
00:24:34.920 --> 00:24:39.960
But interestingly enough, Cuba Gooding Jr. who Jackie cites says

512
00:24:39.960 --> 00:24:40.980
we've got the same birthday.

513
00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:46.980
Cuba Gooding Jr. was born in 1968. and with Russell's Everything

514
00:24:46.980 --> 00:24:53.160
is one year forward in the Tenant era, 2007 would make Jackie 39.

515
00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:56.160
That very cheeky of you Russell.

516
00:24:56.220 --> 00:24:57.960
And of course, the cybermen are 40.

517
00:24:58.140 --> 00:24:59.099
Yes.

518
00:24:59.160 --> 00:25:00.420
Yes, of course.

519
00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:00.720
Yeah.

520
00:25:00.779 --> 00:25:01.859
That's true.

521
00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:02.339
That's true.

522
00:25:02.519 --> 00:25:07.859
Something I really love about Jackie and Pete in this episode is

523
00:25:07.859 --> 00:25:12.180
you know, when we last saw Pete in Father's Day, Jackie's quite

524
00:25:12.180 --> 00:25:12.779
horrible to him.

525
00:25:13.380 --> 00:25:16.980
Deservedly so, from the way he carries on.

526
00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:21.839
But there's an implication that Pete's death and having to bring

527
00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:26.819
up Rose by herself softens her and not exactly makes her a better

528
00:25:26.819 --> 00:25:30.059
person because she was already that person, but gives her

529
00:25:30.059 --> 00:25:34.079
perspective she didn't already have, whereas Pete's survival in

530
00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:36.839
this universe, which isn't the divergent point because Rose had

531
00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:37.920
already been bored by that stage.

532
00:25:37.980 --> 00:25:41.880
Pete's survival in this universe makes him more sensitive and

533
00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:45.660
Jackie very much still in the Father's Day mode.

534
00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:47.099
Is he sensitive though?

535
00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:49.980
He's still whacking a whole lot of Fanta at the kids.

536
00:25:50.039 --> 00:25:50.759
Is he?

537
00:25:50.819 --> 00:25:55.380
Yeah, he is dark, but I think we'll see next episode that he's

538
00:25:55.380 --> 00:25:59.519
redeemed a bit, you know, when it becomes clear what his actual

539
00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:00.000
deal is.

540
00:26:00.059 --> 00:26:00.720
Yeah.

541
00:26:00.779 --> 00:26:01.440
Yeah.

542
00:26:01.980 --> 00:26:07.019
Part of the reason I love that scene with Jackie and Rose, where

543
00:26:07.019 --> 00:26:12.660
she tells her off, is it's a masterclass from Camille, because

544
00:26:12.660 --> 00:26:16.799
when Rose sits down next to her, She wants to open up to this

545
00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:17.099
girl.

546
00:26:17.099 --> 00:26:18.660
She doesn't quite know why.

547
00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:22.920
That in itself annoys her and it all plays out on her face.

548
00:26:22.980 --> 00:26:27.720
So she's not just annoyed that this waitress wants to have a word

549
00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:31.799
but she's annoyed at herself because why am I why am I talking to

550
00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:33.119
you about how I like my tea?

551
00:26:33.180 --> 00:26:37.140
Because self-loathing will demonstrate itself in many different

552
00:26:37.140 --> 00:26:40.559
ways and the most is seeing oneself at a younger age, right next

553
00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:42.359
to you being sensitive and open.

554
00:26:42.420 --> 00:26:45.359
I don't want to be feeling these things right now.

555
00:26:45.420 --> 00:26:47.519
And how dare you make them?

556
00:26:47.579 --> 00:26:49.259
And also I come from nothing.

557
00:26:49.259 --> 00:26:51.059
And thank you for reminding me of that.

558
00:26:51.119 --> 00:26:54.900
There's no greater snob than those who are self-made.

559
00:26:54.960 --> 00:26:58.079
Yeah, I think that's absolutely right, isn't it?

560
00:26:58.140 --> 00:26:59.220
Oh, exactly.

561
00:26:59.220 --> 00:27:00.539
Jane.

562
00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:05.519
Her disdain for staff is self-hatred. you know, in many ways.

563
00:27:09.660 --> 00:27:12.059
Let's talk about Mickey's family.

564
00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:14.640
Oh, that scene.

565
00:27:14.700 --> 00:27:16.319
God, Noel is brilliant.

566
00:27:16.380 --> 00:27:17.099
We don't deserve him.

567
00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:18.539
It is so great, isn't he?

568
00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:20.279
Takes a good slap and two, doesn't he?

569
00:27:20.339 --> 00:27:22.680
Is this the scene in the chair with the undies?

570
00:27:22.740 --> 00:27:23.220
Where are we?

571
00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:24.420
No, no, no.

572
00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:26.700
So he goes back to visit his grandmother.

573
00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:32.160
And it's really interesting because we've never thought to ask

574
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:35.099
about Mickey's family.

575
00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:37.500
He seems to live on the estate on his own.

576
00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:41.519
It makes perfect sense that the other boys that we see even when

577
00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:42.420
he's in the workshop.

578
00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:45.240
He's indefinitely the beta or the delta.

579
00:27:45.299 --> 00:27:47.220
He's never the alpha male.

580
00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:49.680
And we sort of have to ask himself, well, why is that?

581
00:27:49.740 --> 00:27:52.019
And of course, he doesn't have the confidence that other children

582
00:27:52.019 --> 00:27:55.440
had growing up because he didn't have the examples of that.

583
00:27:55.500 --> 00:27:56.339
Yeah.

584
00:27:56.400 --> 00:28:00.299
And it turns out that he's living with just terrible guilt over an

585
00:28:00.299 --> 00:28:02.400
accident that happened to his grandmother.

586
00:28:02.460 --> 00:28:07.380
And in fact, I find myself really warming to Rose in that scene

587
00:28:07.380 --> 00:28:13.740
where she explains Mickey's background to the doctor and talks

588
00:28:13.740 --> 00:28:18.180
about what a great woman his grandmother was and, you know, about

589
00:28:18.180 --> 00:28:19.259
Mickey's loss.

590
00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:22.559
And it's just one little moment where she's thinking of someone

591
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:26.519
else, where she's not, where she's not being rose wrapped up in

592
00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:26.880
herself.

593
00:28:26.940 --> 00:28:28.440
It's nice.

594
00:28:28.500 --> 00:28:32.220
And the, it's actually a little bit horrible when the preachers

595
00:28:32.220 --> 00:28:37.259
kind of grab him and leave his grandmother kind of bereft not

596
00:28:37.259 --> 00:28:38.279
knowing what's happened to him.

597
00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:40.019
It's great.

598
00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:40.980
She's really good.

599
00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:44.640
And, you know, all of that stuff early on where the doctor talks

600
00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:49.980
about a parallel universe being a honey trap and it's a bad thing

601
00:28:49.980 --> 00:28:52.859
for Rose to go and see her parents.

602
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:55.259
And you kind of think, well, why are you even saying that?

603
00:28:55.319 --> 00:28:57.180
That's so that seems odd.

604
00:28:57.240 --> 00:29:01.619
And he's so easily defeated by Rose pulling a funny face and he

605
00:29:01.619 --> 00:29:04.740
just eventually goes, oh, all right, we'll go and do it.

606
00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:07.680
But in fact, it turns out that he was right.

607
00:29:07.740 --> 00:29:12.960
And they will see next week how it leads to the loss of Mickey, the

608
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:17.819
parallel universe is so seductive that we actually lose someone to

609
00:29:17.819 --> 00:29:18.059
it.

610
00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:24.960
Because it gives us the opportunity to see how we can ourselves be

611
00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:26.460
better.

612
00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:28.259
And well, it gives us mindfulness.

613
00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:32.160
It gives, it's the, it is the Buddhist uh, Maya.

614
00:29:32.220 --> 00:29:36.539
It is the world of the 2nd opportunity or the observant world.

615
00:29:36.539 --> 00:29:40.920
And how often do we have esprit descaglia, do we have staircase, we

616
00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:44.220
can look back at what we just said a moment ago, an hour ago, years

617
00:29:44.220 --> 00:29:45.660
ago quite often?

618
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:48.359
Everything would have changed if I just hadn't said that in that

619
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:51.779
moment or hadn't been a smart arse or just or had actually just

620
00:29:51.779 --> 00:29:55.619
listened to that friend or listened to that person, my whole life

621
00:29:55.619 --> 00:29:56.279
would be different.

622
00:29:56.339 --> 00:29:58.380
I can count so many times where that's happened.

623
00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:03.480
In this very podcast, episode after episode.

624
00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:09.660
In discovery, the Federation decides to keep the Mirror Universe

625
00:30:09.660 --> 00:30:14.160
secret for precisely that reason because the Mirror Universe is

626
00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:20.220
presumably full of our friends and loved ones who haven't died.

627
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:23.700
And for Mickey and Rose.

628
00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:27.539
They have a dead relative that's still alive in this universe.

629
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:31.740
And if only things had gone a different way.

630
00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:35.579
So that kind of over the top, you know, this is a terrible

631
00:30:35.579 --> 00:30:36.180
dangerous place.

632
00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:37.920
You don't know what you're doing messing with this.

633
00:30:37.980 --> 00:30:39.480
You can't meet your father.

634
00:30:39.539 --> 00:30:41.640
He's not your father, all of that sort of stuff.

635
00:30:41.700 --> 00:30:44.759
It seemed a bit over the top, but it does seem justified, I

636
00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:44.940
think.

637
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:49.559
Something I love about Noel in the 1st half of this episode, not

638
00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:54.119
just the meeting with his grandmother, which is tear jerking, and

639
00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:57.420
I think it's a very smart decision to have Mickey start crying.

640
00:30:58.019 --> 00:31:04.259
Because when we'd previously seen Mickey at the height of despair

641
00:31:04.259 --> 00:31:07.500
it was in Boomtown and he's screaming and this is a very quiet

642
00:31:07.500 --> 00:31:08.460
moment instead.

643
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:11.880
But we get a counterpoint to that moment in Boomtown as well

644
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:13.440
because in Boomtown, he screams at Rose.

645
00:31:13.500 --> 00:31:14.880
It's always the doctor and it's never me.

646
00:31:14.940 --> 00:31:15.420
Yeah.

647
00:31:15.420 --> 00:31:18.960
Here he says to the doctor, it's always going to be Rose and it's

648
00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:19.380
never me.

649
00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:22.740
But again, it's very quiet when the doctor's deciding who to go

650
00:31:22.740 --> 00:31:22.920
after.

651
00:31:22.980 --> 00:31:25.619
Because it's acknowledged and they both admit it.

652
00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:26.279
Yeah.

653
00:31:26.339 --> 00:31:28.019
Well, they're really horrible to him.

654
00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:29.819
Like the opening.

655
00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:32.700
The opening scene in the TARDIS, he's been standing there pressing

656
00:31:32.700 --> 00:31:33.720
a button for half an hour.

657
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:35.279
It's the Leila moment.

658
00:31:35.339 --> 00:31:36.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

659
00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:37.559
It's as nasty.

660
00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:38.759
I thought it was making the magic work.

661
00:31:38.819 --> 00:31:41.880
Yeah, and I know that's what they're harking back to.

662
00:31:41.940 --> 00:31:45.480
And that was just as, can I use the racist word?

663
00:31:45.539 --> 00:31:48.900
That was just as you're a primitive person, you don't get where we

664
00:31:48.900 --> 00:31:52.619
come from, whether it be a person of colour or just a person of

665
00:31:52.619 --> 00:31:57.119
lacked opportunity or just hasn't had our generous experiences.

666
00:31:57.180 --> 00:31:59.339
You haven't been lucky enough to be as smart as we are.

667
00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:02.460
Yeah, yeah, no, they're super horrible.

668
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:03.299
I can't wait.

669
00:32:03.420 --> 00:32:04.140
I think they're awful.

670
00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:06.539
I hope something genuinely wrong happens to both.

671
00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:08.700
Well, I mean, they lose Mickey at the end of this.

672
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:10.079
You know, they lose.

673
00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:11.279
Because they don't deserve to keep it.

674
00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:12.839
Because they don't...

675
00:32:12.900 --> 00:32:13.500
Absolutely.

676
00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:17.700
Because despite what Mickey goes through there and fun moment on

677
00:32:17.700 --> 00:32:20.700
the commentary, because the commentary for this episode is Camille

678
00:32:20.700 --> 00:32:26.819
Noel and Andrew Hayden Smith, Camille says, Clarkey, do you think

679
00:32:26.819 --> 00:32:29.759
that the doctor knew what he was doing there and you holding that

680
00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:33.000
button for half an hour would send you into the parallel universe

681
00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:34.079
where you needed to be?

682
00:32:34.140 --> 00:32:37.559
Do you think maybe he was manipulating you into that?

683
00:32:37.619 --> 00:32:39.599
And Noel responds.

684
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:43.619
Well, that's entirely possible, of course, because the doctor can

685
00:32:43.619 --> 00:32:46.740
see through dimensions, and that's why he's been calling me Ricky

686
00:32:46.740 --> 00:32:47.579
since season one.

687
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:50.039
No one's a massive Doctor Who fan.

688
00:32:50.099 --> 00:32:51.240
That's his head cannon.

689
00:32:51.299 --> 00:32:55.200
Because he also then says, because Camille says, how do they know

690
00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:56.400
that they're cyberman?

691
00:32:56.400 --> 00:32:59.279
And Noel says, well, Rose hasn't met them before, but in season

692
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:03.299
one, episode six, she saw a cyberhead in Bad Statens Museum.

693
00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:05.460
This is literally what he says in the commentary.

694
00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:06.059
I love this man.

695
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:10.680
You shall be like us.

696
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:17.460
But what I so love about him, and Mickey, in this 1st episode is

697
00:33:17.460 --> 00:33:22.559
despite how the doctor and rose treat him, when the doctor is

698
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:26.160
mourning the TARDIS, Mickey actually comes in and sits with him

699
00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:29.400
and mimics his body language, which is a basic psychological

700
00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:32.759
technique for making someone feel comfortable with you and sort of

701
00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:33.960
tries to encourage him.

702
00:33:34.019 --> 00:33:36.539
Oh, but we can hop back between dimensions, that's easy.

703
00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:38.579
We can hook that up to the national grid and get power.

704
00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:39.180
We can do this.

705
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:39.960
We can do this.

706
00:33:40.019 --> 00:33:42.119
And it's just this coaxing of the doctor.

707
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:45.000
So while Rose is off thinking about, oh, how can I meet my dad

708
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:48.420
despite the fact my best friends told me it's a bad idea, and I'm

709
00:33:48.420 --> 00:33:49.920
arguing with my designated driver.

710
00:33:49.980 --> 00:33:54.180
Mickey's like, okay, no, you've had a massive loss here.

711
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:55.259
I get that.

712
00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:59.400
It's like the end of last week where Mickey gets, oh my god

713
00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:01.019
someone he loved is dead.

714
00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:03.119
Rose, just shut up and come off.

715
00:34:03.180 --> 00:34:03.839
Yeah, yeah.

716
00:34:03.900 --> 00:34:07.380
Yeah, it's the sensitivity of the character and it's something

717
00:34:07.380 --> 00:34:11.579
that Russell wanted to explore after Chris persuaded him.

718
00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:12.480
No keep this guy on.

719
00:34:12.539 --> 00:34:15.659
Russell actually sat down with him and said, I am writing Mickey

720
00:34:15.659 --> 00:34:17.820
out next series, but here's how I'm going to do it.

721
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:18.480
What do you think?

722
00:34:18.539 --> 00:34:21.119
And I was like, yeah, I'm up for that.

723
00:34:21.179 --> 00:34:24.360
So this script was always envisioned as this is the moment Mickey

724
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:24.960
becomes a hero.

725
00:34:34.019 --> 00:34:37.559
Actually, something Mickey, we haven't discussed, and Richard, I'll

726
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:38.280
throw back to you for this one.

727
00:34:38.340 --> 00:34:40.559
He does end up tied to a chair in his pants.

728
00:34:41.340 --> 00:34:45.840
And of course, it's only a few months since the premiere of Casino

729
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:46.980
Royale Redocks.

730
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:48.719
When are we going to talk about that?

731
00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:50.760
We should do a podcast.

732
00:34:50.820 --> 00:34:53.340
When are we doing the James Vaughan commentary podcast?

733
00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:56.400
But it is a lovely nod to, as you said, Russell really gets this

734
00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:58.920
zeitgeist, and you might even say he's a little bit premonitory

735
00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:02.639
about it, but there's, I actually think it's a take on the

736
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:08.940
sadistic level of the general take on what is sauciness now.

737
00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:14.099
And you can really look at this against, say, the carry-ons of the

738
00:35:14.099 --> 00:35:16.500
60s, which we really ought to discuss at some point.

739
00:35:16.860 --> 00:35:24.659
And how what was humourous and what was au current then is now

740
00:35:24.659 --> 00:35:26.760
salacious and darker.

741
00:35:26.820 --> 00:35:30.179
We're getting older, but and we've grown up, but not necessarily

742
00:35:30.179 --> 00:35:31.980
in the way that our parents had hoped.

743
00:35:32.099 --> 00:35:37.320
Do you think it's like, you know, in the 80s, Nissa drops a skirt

744
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:41.639
when she leaves the program and Turlow sheds his trousers before

745
00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:45.300
leaving the program and so Mickey's about to go, so they strip him

746
00:35:45.300 --> 00:35:48.000
down to his undies, you know, because we've only got one more

747
00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:49.619
chance to have Noel in the show.

748
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:53.579
I think they have a lot to Kenny Everett and other Phillips hot

749
00:35:53.579 --> 00:35:54.420
gossip as well.

750
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:56.099
It's very British postcard humour.

751
00:35:56.159 --> 00:35:59.579
But yes, no, I definitely believe that again, as we've said many

752
00:35:59.579 --> 00:36:02.400
times, Doctor Who is at its best when it's reflecting what's going

753
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:03.000
on around it.

754
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:05.039
And this is definitely it.

755
00:36:05.099 --> 00:36:08.039
What do we think of Noel's performance as Ricky?

756
00:36:08.099 --> 00:36:12.480
It's pretty flawless in that it's, I feel, in that it's exactly

757
00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:16.559
what a homespun boy would be doing, is overcompensating.

758
00:36:16.619 --> 00:36:19.559
So yes, it's hyperbolic and over the top, but I think it's

759
00:36:19.559 --> 00:36:22.079
actually a very nice counterfoil for tenants.

760
00:36:22.139 --> 00:36:25.320
And I would like to think that Noel was actually taking a little

761
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:29.340
of the mixture it against our 10 hour David.

762
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:32.400
With the sort of snarling and baring his teeth and things

763
00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:33.480
possibly.

764
00:36:33.659 --> 00:36:37.320
Mickey is a character who's changed so much from his initial

765
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:40.619
conception and Noel has always managed to keep a track of that and

766
00:36:40.619 --> 00:36:41.340
keep a handle on it.

767
00:36:41.460 --> 00:36:48.059
So he has this other character to create Ricky and he has one line

768
00:36:48.059 --> 00:36:50.579
to sell the facts that this is a different person.

769
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:52.079
What am I doing here?

770
00:36:52.139 --> 00:36:53.039
What am I doing there?

771
00:36:53.099 --> 00:36:53.760
Yeah.

772
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:56.460
So, yeah, I agree.

773
00:36:56.519 --> 00:36:59.039
In that moment, it's over the top, but it's over the top because

774
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:00.840
as you say, Richard, he's overcompensating.

775
00:37:00.900 --> 00:37:04.860
We discover next week what he is London's most wanted for.

776
00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:08.219
And you know, it's not for robbing banks or anything like that.

777
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:13.559
So yeah, it's a performance of bravado, but from someone who is

778
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:15.119
genuinely brave anyway.

779
00:37:15.179 --> 00:37:20.400
You know, it's not, it's not a bravado born of cowardice, but it's

780
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:23.039
a bravado born of, I need to own this room.

781
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:26.820
And also something really weird's just happened, and I still need

782
00:37:26.820 --> 00:37:27.539
to own this room.

783
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:32.280
Um, We've got the other 2 members of the preachers as well.

784
00:37:32.340 --> 00:37:37.739
We've got Jake played by Andrew Hayden Smith, who was 22.

785
00:37:38.099 --> 00:37:39.239
No way.

786
00:37:39.300 --> 00:37:41.820
And Mrs. Moore.

787
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:45.659
Oh, I think we'll talk about Mrs. Moore a lot more next week

788
00:37:45.659 --> 00:37:47.760
because that's when she really gets to shine.

789
00:37:47.820 --> 00:37:49.559
She's really great.

790
00:37:49.619 --> 00:37:54.360
Jake is obviously there quite early on to see the homeless people

791
00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:55.559
getting hoovered up.

792
00:37:55.619 --> 00:38:01.079
And it's amazing watching this again, how much this story owes to

793
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:01.679
the invasion.

794
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:08.340
So the invasion, uh, we get international electromatics mentioned

795
00:38:08.340 --> 00:38:12.840
here, they're on the side of the uh, big truck that the homeless

796
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:13.800
people are going into.

797
00:38:13.860 --> 00:38:19.559
But Tobias Vaughan's plan was to take over the world by giving

798
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:24.360
everyone a small electronic device, a music player that would

799
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:28.019
eventually make a noise that would, you know, take over everyone's

800
00:38:28.019 --> 00:38:28.440
mind.

801
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:31.260
And that's exactly the plan here.

802
00:38:31.380 --> 00:38:36.780
And it's a long story set on sort of a near future earth.

803
00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:38.159
It really is very similar.

804
00:38:38.219 --> 00:38:42.420
Yeah, and also Graham Harper, specifically sites.

805
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:44.880
His mentor, Douglas Canfield.

806
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:45.659
Right, okay.

807
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:47.400
As his influence here.

808
00:38:47.460 --> 00:38:49.139
And of course, Douglas Canfield directed the invasion.

809
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:51.420
It's a similar style too, they both have, yeah.

810
00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:56.219
There are certain shots that Harper says, yep, that's because

811
00:38:56.219 --> 00:38:58.980
that's the kind of thing doggie did.

812
00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:03.239
They work together specifically on the seeds of doom. and possibly

813
00:39:03.239 --> 00:39:07.860
other stories, but also that is why the cybermen march in time.

814
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:10.380
Harper said, I want that.

815
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:15.719
And in order to achieve that, The choreographer Alsa Burke, 1st of

816
00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:19.500
all, auditioned 20 actors and then whittled it down to 10 actors

817
00:39:19.500 --> 00:39:20.940
who could actually stomp and march.

818
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:25.679
But then she got to set and discovered how restrictive the vision

819
00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:26.699
in the costumes were.

820
00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:30.960
So after Cybermen got into formation. they tied them together with

821
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:32.639
rubber bands at the wrist.

822
00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:34.079
Really?

823
00:39:34.139 --> 00:39:37.019
Because they couldn't see each other to stay in formation.

824
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:39.420
They could just use the sensation of their own. that's how tense

825
00:39:39.420 --> 00:39:39.960
it should be.

826
00:39:40.019 --> 00:39:43.679
And that's how they stayed in that sort of bowling pin formation

827
00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:44.340
that they have.

828
00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:45.900
We're feeling it now.

829
00:39:46.019 --> 00:39:47.400
What do I think?

830
00:39:47.460 --> 00:39:49.199
What do we actually think of the Cyberman?

831
00:39:49.260 --> 00:39:53.460
I mean, he keeps them out of shot or like out of focus?

832
00:39:53.699 --> 00:39:58.199
Yeah, until the end of episode one reveal, really.

833
00:39:58.260 --> 00:40:00.179
Well, it's Will Eisnett design.

834
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:01.440
I mean, it is the rocketeer.

835
00:40:01.500 --> 00:40:05.159
It is those gorgeous deco things, which is never far away from our

836
00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:05.579
thoughts.

837
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:09.659
And his style, as I was trying to say before, is very 30s, 40s, and

838
00:40:09.659 --> 00:40:12.780
the filming, especially with the big Vista pullback shots, and, you

839
00:40:12.780 --> 00:40:16.139
know, those grand sweeping, melodramatic, emotional shots.

840
00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:17.880
Yeah, he's he's deaf.

841
00:40:17.940 --> 00:40:19.860
It really is flawless with the direction.

842
00:40:19.980 --> 00:40:23.880
That's what makes me happiest when editing direction design is

843
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:24.300
there.

844
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:27.059
And then the actors are free to do exactly what they need to do

845
00:40:27.059 --> 00:40:27.840
and they're not.

846
00:40:27.900 --> 00:40:31.380
They're supported because I really probably care about the former

847
00:40:31.380 --> 00:40:32.159
more than the latter.

848
00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:38.460
I mean, they've gone away from that sort of 70s design, and from

849
00:40:38.460 --> 00:40:40.559
the invasion design, with a big bun head.

850
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:44.039
Well, he did say he didn't, he, he's really tired of that whole

851
00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:47.579
Harley Berry wetsuit paints all the thing, isn't he?

852
00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:51.179
Yeah, so they're very much, and they're very much steel rather

853
00:40:51.179 --> 00:40:52.199
than silver.

854
00:40:52.260 --> 00:40:55.260
He's very definite that they're...

855
00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:57.420
Oh yeah, that's right. fibreglass.

856
00:40:57.480 --> 00:40:58.739
I feel that heavy.

857
00:40:58.800 --> 00:40:59.280
No.

858
00:40:59.340 --> 00:41:02.639
But no, they clunk beautifully and how do we feel about the

859
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:03.119
flares?

860
00:41:03.179 --> 00:41:07.440
speaking as nods to the 70s. think it's got an anime feel to it.

861
00:41:07.500 --> 00:41:10.800
Because the original design had the shin pieces turned the other

862
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:10.980
way.

863
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:11.639
Right.

864
00:41:11.639 --> 00:41:15.480
So, well, more so, so they had nice tapered mod ankles.

865
00:41:15.659 --> 00:41:18.360
Oh, God, yes, disco ankles.

866
00:41:18.420 --> 00:41:20.699
Yeah, it does sort of flare out.

867
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:22.500
And I'm on the fence about that.

868
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:26.460
Sometimes I think the overall design is a little bit too layered

869
00:41:26.460 --> 00:41:28.980
and sometimes I look at it and think, oh, that's just right.

870
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:30.539
So I think it's all dependent on angles.

871
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:34.619
The faces, um, are based on the Chrysler building, uh

872
00:41:34.619 --> 00:41:35.159
incidentally.

873
00:41:35.219 --> 00:41:38.880
And yeah, there is a bodysuit element underneath that looks like

874
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:40.679
tubes, which I think is wonderful.

875
00:41:40.739 --> 00:41:43.739
Overall, I like the design.

876
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:47.699
I miss the wetsuit a bit because my favourite design is the

877
00:41:47.699 --> 00:41:52.079
invasion design, but I get why you can't have that today.

878
00:41:52.139 --> 00:41:55.920
It's a bit like if you look at Star Trek, even though the Borg are

879
00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:59.639
based on a full bodysuit, they then cover it with layers and

880
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:02.760
layers and layers of like tubes, pieces.

881
00:42:02.820 --> 00:42:03.659
Yeah.

882
00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:06.360
And I'm glad we went with a uniformed look because as the doctor

883
00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:09.059
says next week, ooh, they're a brand.

884
00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:13.199
And so, yes, of course, they look sleek and they, you know, they

885
00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:16.380
look like technology you could have in your home, like one of

886
00:42:16.380 --> 00:42:18.780
those shin pieces could be like an Alexa.

887
00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:25.079
But I do like, I like the idea that they are hefty and

888
00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:26.280
invulnerable.

889
00:42:26.340 --> 00:42:30.300
And I think that that fits thematically with where we go next

890
00:42:30.300 --> 00:42:30.719
week.

891
00:42:30.780 --> 00:42:33.539
And one of the things that Russell said.

892
00:42:33.659 --> 00:42:36.599
I think Russell tended to give the designers real freedom to do

893
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:37.920
what they wanted.

894
00:42:37.980 --> 00:42:42.360
And he said, we obviously need the head handles because that's, you

895
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:43.860
know, what the cybermen are.

896
00:42:43.860 --> 00:42:49.739
And he wanted the teardrop, which I think appears 1st in wheel in

897
00:42:49.739 --> 00:42:50.039
space.

898
00:42:50.099 --> 00:42:51.900
I believe it does.

899
00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:52.440
Yeah.

900
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:56.639
And again, for that very reason of what's going to happen next

901
00:42:56.639 --> 00:43:00.059
week because the actors can't see out of the main eye.

902
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:05.099
No, but it's it's about, is that the reason that probably is the

903
00:43:05.099 --> 00:43:06.900
reason they're there in Wheeling Space?

904
00:43:07.500 --> 00:43:12.840
Because it's about the way that we isolate ourselves from each

905
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:15.900
other through this technology.

906
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:19.739
And so the teardrop thing is, you know, about tears.

907
00:43:19.739 --> 00:43:23.579
And in the end of the year, we'll see a tear, a teardrop and oil

908
00:43:23.579 --> 00:43:26.099
teardrop coming out of Tracy Ann Cyberman's eye.

909
00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:30.059
She didn't get picked up for that next season at EastEnders, did

910
00:43:30.059 --> 00:43:30.300
you?

911
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:31.320
tearing in.

912
00:43:31.380 --> 00:43:32.400
Well, that's a 2nd mortgage.

913
00:43:36.539 --> 00:43:39.719
So let's talk about the cliffhanger, okay?

914
00:43:39.780 --> 00:43:40.800
We're at the party.

915
00:43:40.860 --> 00:43:41.760
It's huge.

916
00:43:41.820 --> 00:43:44.219
We have the president of Great Britain.

917
00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:46.320
Don Warrington.

918
00:43:46.500 --> 00:43:48.900
Yeah, big finishes wrestle on.

919
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:50.760
I was going to say, in an alternative universe.

920
00:43:50.820 --> 00:43:51.900
James Bond.

921
00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:54.239
We really should talk about that one day.

922
00:43:54.300 --> 00:43:55.920
And on a podcast.

923
00:43:56.340 --> 00:44:02.219
Also, he was the actor that Noel Clark saw as a little boy and

924
00:44:02.219 --> 00:44:04.800
thought, oh, maybe I can be on television.

925
00:44:04.980 --> 00:44:06.659
Department of S?

926
00:44:06.659 --> 00:44:07.800
Rising Damp.

927
00:44:07.860 --> 00:44:08.340
Rising?

928
00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:09.239
Oh, he was.

929
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:10.679
And he was a proper hottie in that.

930
00:44:10.739 --> 00:44:11.519
Yes, yes, he was.

931
00:44:11.579 --> 00:44:11.880
Yes.

932
00:44:11.940 --> 00:44:14.400
And he'd done some ITC stuff as well.

933
00:44:14.460 --> 00:44:15.900
But yeah, much like, yeah.

934
00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:18.300
Yeah, for Koto, are you going to say?

935
00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:23.099
Much like Yasmin Bannerman and Gisette Simon, seeing she's at

936
00:44:23.099 --> 00:44:25.920
Simon and thinking, oh, there's a black woman on television.

937
00:44:25.980 --> 00:44:27.119
I can be on television.

938
00:44:27.179 --> 00:44:29.579
Noel Clark saw Don Warrington and said, oh, there's a black man on

939
00:44:29.579 --> 00:44:32.039
television and he's a main character and he's sympathetic and

940
00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:32.579
likeable.

941
00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:35.460
He's really got the gravitas for the role as well.

942
00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:40.920
He is terrific. when he when he dresses down Roger Lloyd Pax's

943
00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:41.280
character.

944
00:44:41.340 --> 00:44:42.719
He's so impressive.

945
00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:43.860
He's really, really good.

946
00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:47.219
And that's, of course, why he has to be killed at the party

947
00:44:47.219 --> 00:44:51.179
because he's standing in the way of the sort of his sort of cyber

948
00:44:51.179 --> 00:44:51.900
thing.

949
00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:57.179
He's actually the chunky beefy Obama we got before we got.

950
00:44:57.719 --> 00:44:59.460
Limlined Madmen version.

951
00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:04.320
It's funny, but every single year Russell kills the Prime Minister

952
00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:06.239
of Great Britain.

953
00:45:06.300 --> 00:45:08.460
Oh my Lord, he really does.

954
00:45:08.579 --> 00:45:08.940
Wow.

955
00:45:08.940 --> 00:45:12.300
Can we get him back chippers?

956
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:16.860
Yeah, chippers could take a year off and we could get we could get

957
00:45:16.860 --> 00:45:18.420
him back to deal with the current mares.

958
00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:22.619
And then in his last year, he replaces the president of America

959
00:45:22.619 --> 00:45:25.500
with the Prime Minister of Great Britain.

960
00:45:25.619 --> 00:45:26.760
Yeah, who gets killed again?

961
00:45:26.820 --> 00:45:27.420
Who gets killed again?

962
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:27.840
Yeah.

963
00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:32.760
So, yes, literally every year Russell kills the Prime Minister

964
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:37.199
which is a tradition that I'm sad has not been picked up by his

965
00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:38.039
successes.

966
00:45:38.099 --> 00:45:40.199
Who's the Prime Minister this week?

967
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:42.420
Charles Jones.

968
00:45:42.539 --> 00:45:43.619
That's it.

969
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:45.179
I don't know. been gone 18 months.

970
00:45:46.500 --> 00:45:49.679
I have 2 questions about the Clefhanger.

971
00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:53.940
First of all, why do the cybermen need consent exactly when

972
00:45:53.940 --> 00:45:55.679
they're going to control people with AirPods?

973
00:45:55.739 --> 00:45:57.420
Yeah, no, that's crazy.

974
00:45:57.480 --> 00:45:59.639
Well, because there's a terms of agreement.

975
00:45:59.699 --> 00:46:01.619
Oh, right.

976
00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:03.599
No one ever reads.

977
00:46:03.659 --> 00:46:06.300
The human senti pad still can't read.

978
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:08.039
Yes, that's it. the Euler.

979
00:46:09.059 --> 00:46:12.900
And also, when we when we do get to the cliffhanger, which is

980
00:46:12.900 --> 00:46:16.619
beautifully directed by Graham Harper, although it suffers from

981
00:46:16.619 --> 00:46:19.260
the Prometheus thing of you know you can run sideways.

982
00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:23.639
Title.

983
00:46:25.019 --> 00:46:28.260
What the hell is maximum deletion?

984
00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:31.980
Given that deleting involves electrocuting you to death anyway.

985
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:33.179
That's an auton line.

986
00:46:33.179 --> 00:46:34.139
Where...

987
00:46:34.139 --> 00:46:34.800
No, you remember.

988
00:46:34.860 --> 00:46:36.780
That's a...

989
00:46:36.900 --> 00:46:37.980
That's when you reverse that.

990
00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:38.400
Yes.

991
00:46:38.460 --> 00:46:39.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

992
00:46:39.059 --> 00:46:40.679
Destroy maximum destruction.

993
00:46:40.739 --> 00:46:41.460
Yeah, fair enough.

994
00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:44.579
Yeah, and I suppose as we don't see maximum deletion.

995
00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:44.880
Yeah.

996
00:46:44.940 --> 00:46:45.420
Okay, good.

997
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:46.380
I'm satisfied now.

998
00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:49.019
But what about that gallant man at the party who is being

999
00:46:49.019 --> 00:46:49.860
electrocuted?

1000
00:46:49.860 --> 00:46:52.800
and so grabs his girlfriend so she gets electrocuted as well

1001
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:54.780
because both of them.

1002
00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:59.880
That's not well till death do us part means love. kill a lot of

1003
00:46:59.880 --> 00:47:01.980
people at that party. satisfying.

1004
00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:02.519
It's great.

1005
00:47:02.579 --> 00:47:03.780
There's no one there you want to talk to.

1006
00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:04.559
No, no.

1007
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:10.260
Harper wanted 100 people at the party and the casting agent, not

1008
00:47:10.260 --> 00:47:14.460
Andy Pryor, but Andy Pryor's assistant said, um, how about 20?

1009
00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:17.159
Which they make work brilliantly?

1010
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:20.280
Keeping them all in the four, yeah.

1011
00:47:22.260 --> 00:47:25.679
And according to Camille, the people who owned the house.

1012
00:47:25.739 --> 00:47:27.179
It was their family home.

1013
00:47:27.179 --> 00:47:29.519
And they were absolutely lovely.

1014
00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:32.159
Like, she thought, oh, you know, better be on best behaviour

1015
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:34.079
because she made a bit of jewellery, didn't she?

1016
00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:36.599
whole stone lion.

1017
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:42.179
But yeah, apparently they were so thrilled for Doctor Who to be

1018
00:47:42.179 --> 00:47:45.659
filming there, how times will change for Amy Pond's house in a few

1019
00:47:45.659 --> 00:47:47.880
years, but we're getting ahead of ourselves.

1020
00:48:13.380 --> 00:48:16.320
Well, there was her at Flight through Entirety.

1021
00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:18.900
We love a good party, and so we'll be spending the next seven days

1022
00:48:18.900 --> 00:48:22.440
hiding in the cupboard, drinking Pete Tyler's champagne and trying

1023
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:24.119
to avoid the cybermen.

1024
00:48:24.179 --> 00:48:27.119
We'll be back next week for the age of steel.

1025
00:48:27.300 --> 00:48:31.079
In the meantime, you can find us at FlightthroughEntirety.com

1026
00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:34.320
flight through entirety on Facebook and Apple Podcasts and at FTE

1027
00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:35.460
Podcast on Twitter.

1028
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:39.480
You can also find us at our series 11 flashcast, Jody

1029
00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:42.780
Interterterra, which is at Jody Interterra.com, Jody Interterra on

1030
00:48:42.780 --> 00:48:46.380
Apple Podcasts, and at Jody Interterra on Twitter, and at our

1031
00:48:46.380 --> 00:48:51.059
James Bond Commentary podcast, Bondfinger, which is at bondfinger

1032
00:48:50.099 --> 00:48:53.219
com, Bondfinger on Facebook and Apple Podcasts, and at

1033
00:48:53.219 --> 00:48:54.840
Bondfingercast on Twitter.

1034
00:48:54.900 --> 00:48:59.280
Until next time, remember that your brain is the most valuable

1035
00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:00.480
thing in the universe.

1036
00:49:00.539 --> 00:49:06.480
Apart from Spectrox and Jethric and Argonite and gravel.

1037
00:49:06.539 --> 00:49:08.880
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1038
00:49:08.940 --> 00:49:10.800
I love my silly tone mug.

1039
00:49:10.860 --> 00:49:11.219
Good night.

1040
00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:12.179
Good then.

1041
00:49:16.619 --> 00:49:20.280
That was Flight through Entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley

1042
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:21.719
Brendan Jones, and Richard Stone.

1043
00:49:21.780 --> 00:49:24.719
Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, Strings performance by Jane

1044
00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:25.380
Allberg.

1045
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:28.800
This episode, Horrible Yorkie, was recorded on the 2nd of February

1046
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:31.559
2019 and released on the 14th of April.

1047
00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:39.119
Fans of FDE will be delighted to learn that to commemorate this

1048
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:43.500
episode of the podcast, Star Wars 9, The Rise of Cider Man will be

1049
00:49:43.500 --> 00:49:45.780
released in cinemas on 20th of December this year.

1050
00:49:48.840 --> 00:49:52.139
Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight through Entirety

1051
00:49:52.139 --> 00:49:55.800
the only Doctor Who podcast from a parallel universe where every

1052
00:49:55.800 --> 00:50:02.940
beloved Doctor Who classic is... racist. is actually really

1053
00:50:02.940 --> 00:50:03.480
racist.

1054
00:50:05.099 --> 00:50:08.579
Oh, well, the entire time vortex has collapsed.

1055
00:50:08.639 --> 00:50:11.159
Let me say that again, because I pronounce the word vortex wrong.

1056
00:50:11.219 --> 00:50:13.679
The entire fuck.

1057
00:50:14.460 --> 00:50:15.960
Oh, please let that keep that.

1058
00:50:16.019 --> 00:50:18.000
Brandon's so good at this.

1059
00:50:18.119 --> 00:50:21.179
Why can't we be from a parallel universe where Brendan still does

1060
00:50:21.179 --> 00:50:21.780
the intro?

1061
00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:25.031
The entire time vortex has collapsed and we...