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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight through Entirety

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the only Doctor Who podcast that's overdosed horribly on Botox

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this week, and we'll be waiting in this Kage at the police station

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until it sorts itself out.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm James.

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I'm Adam, and I'm a 405 line.

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Joyce Grenfall, face suck off upper mooring mast for this one. as

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usual.

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It's London 1953, which can only mean that it's time for a

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delightfully domestic celebration of privileged imperialism and

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aristocracy.

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So please join us as we gather round in the living room to watch

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the Idiot's Lantern.

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So, Adam, David Tennant's hair.

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Yes or no?

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Oh, no.

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Like, I didn't, just all around.

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Like before the 50s and after.

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I haven't had hair since the 90s, so maybe it's jealous. none of

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us has, really.

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I actually found the Next Time trailer a bit of a relief.

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Well, although it was because I hadn't seen it in a few years.

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Like, the next time trailer, I was like, I remember his hair being

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way more sticky uppy.

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It looked flatter than I remembered.

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It is unfortunate.

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It's, yeah, it hasn't aged as well as some of the other parts of

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the show.

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We would call them coxcombs in the period.

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Or DAs.

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Yeah, ducks arse head.

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DA's or Tony Curtis.

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Yes, yeah.

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So, yeah.

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We're all Spartacus here.

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Yeah, it's the whole period thing.

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Don't.

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Well, actually, this just comes to it down to.

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Are we codifying bits of tenant or are we actually talking about

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how we receive tenant?

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back on that one again.

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We have received tenants.

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I think it will turn out that a lot of these episodes have us

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expressing reservations for tenants performance and there's plenty

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of it here.

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There's a lot of it.

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A lot of performance.

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Yeah, yeah.

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A lot of teeth, a lot of face pulling.

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Do you know what I found like towards the, like the back half of

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the episode.

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I kind of realised that, you know what, not a lot of people are

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fans of season three.

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And I think Tenet is only as good as who we're standing next to.

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And the back half of this episode feels a bit, yeah, because Billy

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Piper's gone faceless into a cupboard.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I think that was in David's contract.

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At least my faceless billion month.

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Billy Musket off her face in the season.

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I have heard some stories.

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Oh, yeah.

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That's big.

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Yeah, I think he's only as good as who he's playing off against.

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Like, I think he's a great straight man, but he's annoying. as the

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as the comedic.

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No one's called him a cypher before, but I think you're really

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onto something.

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I think there's some problem and, you know, again, it'll come up

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again and again and again, but when he is doing that accent, I

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think, you know, he's an incredibly skilled actor and he's very

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good at accents, but I do think saddled with that accent and doing

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that voice means that there's rarely any sort of interiority.

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It all kind of surface, I think.

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I think I think that's what he's like as an actor full stop.

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I think he's just one of these people that is really good at

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remembering their lines, not bumping into the furniture and, you

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know, whatever people see beneath the surface is, well, down to

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people who can see things beneath the surface that aren't there.

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There's a reason a lot of teenage girls to, you know, who were

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teenagers at the time still have that palpable Tony Curtis Cliff

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Richard slash.

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That's one of the ironic parts of this episode is where he's like

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oh, yeah, your mum would love Cliff and it's like, look who's

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talking.

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When did you ever get tied off on a rope about Kenny Everett and

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slashed on TV?

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You would wish for such career hypes.

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But yeah, I think he's he's talented at what he does, but it's, um

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yeah, I don't know.

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All the gurning and mucking around.

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It's especially after someone with the gravitas of Eccleston.

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And this is what we're only halfway through this season.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, so it's, you know, we're just sort of coming to grips with

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who he is as the doctor.

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And, like, I loved him when he was on, but now I kind of, I don't

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know, I find I find it a little bit annoying.

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I think I'm circling back around.

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I felt the same way I loved him when he was on and then I kind of

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thought maybe it's my least favourite performance from a modern

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doctor.

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And now when I watch it often, but not always, I'm relieved that

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it's not as bad as I feared it was going to be.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But certainly he gets one big kind of snarling hero moment where

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rose comes in, sort of faceless and now suddenly it's personal, you

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know, despite the fact that dozens of other people are sort of

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faceless in a cage at the police station.

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He was and he was all right with it.

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And that performance is sort of that's upsettingly terrible, I

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think.

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Look, I think Euroslin is a great director of action and like I

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love all the wacky angles and it's a great looking episode, but I

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don't think he's ever really chosen great guest stars.

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But they do have Roncook.

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Yeah, no?

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really like him.

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I like that he under pedals because what else can you do when

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you've got the tenant storm in the room, the oncoming whisper. then

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shouts.

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I'm coming back wrong.

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I really, really do like Gronkook.

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I've seen him on stage over in the UK.

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He's amazing Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I liked, look, I liked some of the performers.

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I like Nan, but you know, she was gone very quickly.

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She was Megan Jones in Fury from the Deep.

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Oh wow.

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Yeah.

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Is she old Nan from the Game of Thrones?

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Who, yeah, who passed away and was eulogised in the 1st episode.

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Wow.

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Yeah, she's great.

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I loved her.

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Hey, I'd, like, Derek from EastEnders gives me the heroids

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though.

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That's Eddie Connolly?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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The dad.

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It's a really, really weirdly misjudged performance.

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About time says that everyone's acting like they're in a different

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production apart from him who's acting like he's in a school

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play.

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It's like Samuel Beckett was 14 and writing the book.

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And none of the characters are actually talking to each other.

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That's the problem I find, though, with modern pieces.

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You tell me what you think, that when they try and do a period

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piece of 20th century, especially the BBC, They get it totally

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wrong.

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Adventure in time and space.

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Now, I love that we love the big finish audios, and you know we've

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got the wonderful David Bradley back doing those with the

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adventures in Spoon and whatever cast, but the lovely Gemma who

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plays Barbara.

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There's no tonal variance.

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It is.

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I'm doing this as an RP person.

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And she really, look, you know, just that is not what actors have

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ever been.

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We actually got more naturalism back then.

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I think it's kind of the same here.

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There haven't been any RP voices on the BBC, and on the radio

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anyway, since 2013, when they exorcised Charlotte Green, Charlotte

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Green, from the news quiz, whom the fabulous Jeremy Hardy

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described as Sonic Viagra.

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And she was saying, you know, you don't hear people like me

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anymore, except on this podcast.

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Yeah.

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So there is that sense of, oh no, we're performing rather than

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giving us some naturalism.

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They actually get it more right when they go back to the 19th

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century than they do here.

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I think here he is a big problem because he's he's such a linchpin

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of the story that everyone's kind of, you know, thrown out of

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orbit by the fact that he's so off kilter.

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It is really important, isn't it?

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And he nearly completely obscures the points of the story.

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And as you were saying before, Adam, and he's thin.

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I mean, there's not that much to it.

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But it's clearly about that generation that went through the war

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and, you know, we're getting a new sunnier future, you know, the

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doctor says, and we're going to be moving into a more modern

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Britain than the 60s and things, and that's going to be sort of

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Tommy's generation.

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And he's kind of left behind.

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And I think there's some room to have some sympathy with him, but

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he is such a horrible shouty character.

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Obviously, the script's written for us to have sympathy with him.

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Yeah, like when Tommy goes off to, you know, carries suitcase at

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the very end and it's like, oh, so we're meant to think that there

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was a human inside this over the top lunacy that's been going on.

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Yeah, I think that like that's my biggest problem with it.

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There are things I love about this episode, though.

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Anytime I see Maureen Lipman, I get excited.

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She's so great.

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Well, you know, you know that she she wanted to be in it for

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ages.

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And you know her, have you seen her stick over there, her Joyce

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Grenfell readings?

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Which is where I was coming home?

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She's obsessed in an unnatural lady fashion with the works of

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Joyce Grenfall.

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So if you remember her from the, um, um, she wasn't ever in carry

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on, but she was in St.

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Trinians.

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Was it no, she was in the new carry-on, wasn't she?

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The one with Julian Clary?

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Carry on Columbus.

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She passed by then.

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Oh, Joyce Griffith.

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I thought you were talking about Maureen Lipman.

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Just the Olivia Coleman.

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But yeah, she does this lovely piece and she's done this stand-up

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thing for years reading Grenfell's poetry, which is very funny and

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very much about the constraints and about just pushing gently.

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She was a Christian scientist.

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Wow.

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Oh wow.

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Really darkly humid as you would be.

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John Crawford.

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I was a Christian scientist wasn't she?

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Oh God, this is everything to me.

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Explained so much.

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They all were suffering with appendicitis.

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That's going to give you real grit to your performance.

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But she loves this period and she's quite obsessed with this whole

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notion.

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And the really telling thing.

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I'd like to hear Gatus talk about this.

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You would never have had a Maureen Lippman.

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No. because she's too Jewish.

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And pronunciation is actually still not quite right.

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Just because we're the kind of people that pick on that kind of

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thing.

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But that, I suppose, as a meta thing, it's quite interesting.

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I love Mark Gatas's writing, I just never get to see what it is on

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screen because 3 quarters of it, it's always cut out.

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So all the beautiful ideas and the richness of his text.

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I thought the best production of one of his scripts was the most

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recent one, the Empress of Mars.

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Like, that all felt like it was there.

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I saw everything that I was expecting.

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Because there's like a moment where in this one where Tommy's

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talking, kind of implying that, you know, he might have feelings

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for people and you'd like, it's as neutral as that.

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Yeah, like you're like, what is what are you saying?

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You know, in the original script, Tommy was supposed to actually

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have a crush on the doctor.

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There you go.

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Adam was written for Eccleston as well.

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Yeah, that all makes sense. season from Series one.

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I would have said Eccles would have minded.

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And there was going to be this whole, well, you just assume that I

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don't dance kind of conversation.

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You're assuming that I'm straight.

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Which would have been brilliant.

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Yeah, but it was all cut.

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Yeah.

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They had to turn down the gay agenda.

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This is very gay to see still though, isn't it?

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Yeah it is.

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I mean, sometimes with a gator script, I feel like I can see the

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whiteboard in from the meeting.

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Like, okay, we want 50s, we want the coronation.

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We want blank faced people.

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Maureen Lipman on television.

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It's like there's a checklist and the episode moves through the

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checklist ponderously and you get to the end and you're like, okay

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well, we ticked off everything.

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Did anything happen?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But I did, yeah.

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I like the writing of the kitchen sink drama, like in the house

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like it was terribly performed.

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I thought the mum was okay.

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But the dad was so bad that everyone seemed to be, it was kind, you

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know, I don't know if you've ever performed with someone who's

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chewing the scenery, like most of the people who perform with me.

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You end up having to really temper your performance to deal with

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what they're doing.

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Like it's just you'd never really enjoy it.

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No one ever has a good time because it's like, well, we just have

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to work around this person because they can't take direction, they

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can't listen, or maybe the director was just like, oh, yeah, you

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just, I trust you to do what you're doing. which it feels like in

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this instance. like everyone was just doing whatever they felt

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like.

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I wonder if that's eternal thing that's coming from tenant, and I

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could have been a lot cheekier with that, but I actually mean this

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seriously.

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If other people are rising to the sort of level of artificiality.

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He is the showrunner on screen anyway.

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Yeah, I mean, I mean, I guess you do take your cues from the main

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actor, the star of the show.

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But if anyone really knew what they were doing, they'd be taking

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their cues from Billy Piper, because the way the show has been set

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up in the modern era is that the doctor is the 2nd banana.

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Like a doctor gets to do all the mucking around.

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So our viewpoint character is the most normal one.

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Yeah. being Billy or Paul Freema or Catherine Tate.

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And, you know, that was the beauty of casting someone like

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Catherine Tate, is that the doctor could occasionally be the

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viewpoint character, because she could be the lunatic for an

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episode and you could flip back and forth.

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But, yeah, I guess if you are taking your cues from a prize ham.

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It's difficult not to put the glaze on.

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And where are you placing the maraschino cherry?

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Right up the top.

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You look at...

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You've really got me thinking.

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You look at how pert we would have played this, who really was a

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prize, poor scene, all of his years, and we're still doing navy

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luck.

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And really over the top thing. when he came into Doctor Who.

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I think he and Tennant's personality were probably not that

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different on set.

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You know, there is a sense of iron the entire room.

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We certainly hear that from folk who've worked on the thing.

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Not a bad thing, simply the way the actors work, but pertly would

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have, I suspect, done a whole lot of sotto voce in this one, but

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might have been quite nice, especially the snarly scene.

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Yeah, it feels like tenants taking his cues from, you know, Graham

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Williams era, Tom Baker.

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Yeah, no, I think that's it.

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Because, I mean, trying to think of a Doctor Who does anger really

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well, and it is early Tom.

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You know, he's terrific.

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He's terrifying.

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Also, when he's angry about something, like, just ludicrous.

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You're like, why are you angry about that?

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It's not something people get angry about, but whatever.

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You're out of space, man.

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Yeah, no, it's almost certainly something that happened in the

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green room shortly earlier.

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Yeah, it was.

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Someone nicked his fags.

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He'd been out of the pub for far too long.

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An hour.

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I had never noticed until now that they live on Florizel Street

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which was the original name of Coronation Street.

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No. when it was in development.

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And, you know, it's set during the coronation.

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I'm like, oh, that is so cute.

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It's such a little, you know, a little delicious nugget that if

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you, you know, if you know coronation street.

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You're like, oh, Florizel Street, who was the prince from Sleeping

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Beauty, I think.

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Oh I'm not sure.

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That's what the, what's his face?

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Tony Warren named Coronation Street after Prince Florizel, because

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there was a picture on the wall and was like, oh, yeah, that'll

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do.

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Pat Phoenix had played it naked on a cushion at the age of four

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probably did.

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It's very gay-azy though, isn't it?

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And that's why I love him.

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Well, this whole thing is this sort of incredible love letter to

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early TV.

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And it says in the script that 1953 is the 1st time that something

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is watched by 1000000s and 1000000s of people.

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It's really the birth of TV as a sort of popular medium.

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And, you know, there's a sort of through line from that, obviously

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to the fact that we're watching Doctor Who, the Doctor Who starts

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and Coronation Street starts, you know, just a very few years

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after this.

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And what we do see on TV is sort of, apart from Muffin the Mule

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obviously, is sort of...

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Which was early Jerry Anderson?

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No, no.

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Oh, no, he was the Torchy the Light boy.

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He owes his career to Roberta Tovey, who sounded exactly, was a

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singer.

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It sounded exactly like the Dear Woman.

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What was her name?

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game with the name, who did muffin.

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The mule went fat ever. forever. absolute...

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Oh my lord.

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Also, it's very carry on to put muffin the mule in the script

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because it's basically terrible British slang now for crumpet.

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Muffin the Mule is... has in later years become something other

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than a children's cartoon.

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With a puppet.

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What do they do with Maureen Lippman?

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Oh, too.

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See, this is I got distracted before.

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Maureen Lippman I've loved for a very long time.

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When I was a kid, I had like these tiny black and white television

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that I bought for $50.

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I have exactly this story.

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Keep going.

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Is it about agony?

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Yes.

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Watching it under the covers on a tiny black and white

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television.

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It was on very late. was on the ABC or something very late at

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night and it was just the most glorious show.

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There were gay people in it, which was exciting.

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I was like, oh my god.

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There's gay people on the television.

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It's late at night.

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So this is 80s, early 80s?

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Very early.

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Yeah very early.

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So it was on like, I think 11 o'clock or something, Friday night.

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She was an agony aunt at a newspaper, like she read an agony

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column for a newspaper.

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She's married to, I think, Simon Williams in the show from

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upstairs downstairs and obviously Doctor Who.

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Junkie Gilmore.

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She had like a sort of stoner musician friend called Andy Evil and

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like the 2 gay, the gay couple who were like the neighbours.

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That was the 1st gay people that I remember ever seeing on TV.

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It was so good.

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I've never been able to find it.

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No, same.

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And like, I remember there was an episode that completely

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destroyed me where when she gave birth.

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Did you ever see that one?

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I don't remember.

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Anyway, she has a baby and she names it after someone and like the

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husband comes in and goes, oh, we should call it so-and-so and

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she's like, oh, he'd love that.

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And then she realises, oh, he's died, hasn't he?

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And you're like, no.

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It is, yeah.

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He's taken an overdose.

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They try and wake him up in the shower and it's like, it's very

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funny and it's hilarious.

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And then you get to the very end of the episode.

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You're like, you've just torn my heart out of my chest.

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I love it.

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She was amazing. was really good.

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And so I knew...

442
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Sounds like a Russell T. Davies. really does, doesn't it?

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He would have like, I'm an old person.

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He would have probably been a teenager, but yeah.

445
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Yeah, it was a long time ago.

446
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Also, they don't repeat things in England, so it would have been

447
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on and then never seen again.

448
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But yeah, it was my favourite.

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I loved it so much.

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And she's, and then when I lived in the UK in the early 90s, she

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was on TV all the time, she did ads for BT, you know, their

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Telstra.

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So she was always on the television.

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There was a sitcom called all at number 20.

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I want to say, something like that. something like that.

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Yeah, I mean, I think she's marvellous, and I do remember being

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incredibly excited that she was going to do Doctor Who.

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And she's, of course, she's such a big star.

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Like she's huge.

460
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So yeah, it was very exciting, even though all of her scenes were

461
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done in a cupboard, like 3 books later.

462
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Yeah, yeah.

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In one morning.

464
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They were actually filmed at Alexandra Palace.

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Oh, wow.

466
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See, this is this is something that I feel with the old, older, now

467
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I love that we're talking about old Doctor Who and older Doctor

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Who.

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But with this series, like I feel like season 11 has done

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something that these were never really good at, which is explore

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the history of something and really give you a sense of what was

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happening, what was going on.

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This you get a sense that, yes, the coronation was fun and yeah

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it's at Alexandra Palace, but to find out any of that stuff, you

475
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have to go online and research it yourself.

476
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Yeah, it was kind of background.

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Yeah, it's just like, yeah, it's like it's just colour.

478
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But, you know, I have enjoyed that in season 11 when you get King

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James and the witch burning, you're like, oh, yeah, this is this

480
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is really what it was like.

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This is filling its original remix.

482
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Yeah, you're learning things.

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Whereas this, it's just like, oh, yeah, that's where they made TV

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and I'm like, what?

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Alexandra Palace?

486
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Why are they going?

487
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a big antenna there?

488
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Like, it's, I don't know, I felt like it was giving lip service to

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history as opposed to like just really throwing us in the middle

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of it.

491
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I think that series 11 is the 1st time that like Doctor Who

492
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doesn't do that, when it goes back to the past in the new era, it

493
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is, I think, about time calls it, kind of theme park, Britain, or

494
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Heritage Park, Britain, you know, where it just hits the beats.

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These are the things that we know about the 1950s.

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And because we don't know that much about the 1950s in Britain, we

497
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have to have all these sort of Elvis, Ed Sullivan references at

498
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the beginning just to put us in the right sort of time frame

499
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weirdly inappropriate.

500
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Also, I love that he he knows when they've gone to, but he's

501
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missed continents by quite...

502
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Well, it makes a change.

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Normally it's he's the wrong, you know, there's one digit wrong in

504
00:22:53.339 --> 00:22:57.359
the date, you know. like tooth and claw earlier in the year.

505
00:22:57.420 --> 00:22:58.920
It meant to be the 70s.

506
00:22:58.980 --> 00:23:05.160
The original the original script had Elvis in it.

507
00:23:05.220 --> 00:23:11.099
Um, was set later um, during, like, the birth of...

508
00:23:11.099 --> 00:23:13.319
So, kind of, for 3 years later.

509
00:23:13.380 --> 00:23:18.180
And so the wire wasn't the wire.

510
00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:19.980
It was a living song.

511
00:23:20.039 --> 00:23:23.039
Oh, yeah, that's hard to dramatise.

512
00:23:23.099 --> 00:23:24.900
Oh, yeah, everything.

513
00:23:25.380 --> 00:23:28.980
You could have just been day and night chasing.

514
00:23:28.980 --> 00:23:33.420
See, this sounds like a virgin new adventure.

515
00:23:33.480 --> 00:23:34.380
It really doesn't.

516
00:23:35.700 --> 00:23:38.759
It was called Mr. Sandman.

517
00:23:39.539 --> 00:23:40.740
Or Sonic.

518
00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:42.480
Oh, that episode happened.

519
00:23:43.740 --> 00:23:46.259
It took it like 10 years.

520
00:23:46.319 --> 00:23:52.619
And again, it was difficult to dramatise. yeah But he never lets

521
00:23:52.619 --> 00:23:53.460
something go.

522
00:23:53.519 --> 00:23:57.059
No, his his recycle bin is obviously very full.

523
00:23:57.299 --> 00:23:59.279
Just delete it, mate.

524
00:24:00.420 --> 00:24:02.279
Build a bridge.

525
00:24:02.339 --> 00:24:02.819
Move on.

526
00:24:03.779 --> 00:24:07.259
But yeah, I liked that it was at the coronation.

527
00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:12.180
Like, that gave me a sense, you know, but again, it's this has

528
00:24:12.180 --> 00:24:14.880
been a problem of many episodes this season.

529
00:24:14.940 --> 00:24:19.380
Like, you know, obviously you've got coming up the terrible 2012

530
00:24:19.380 --> 00:24:19.859
Olympics.

531
00:24:19.980 --> 00:24:24.059
But yeah, like the coronation, you're like, oh, it was a big party

532
00:24:24.059 --> 00:24:27.359
and everyone was excited and it's like, it's a handful of people

533
00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:29.519
in a room watching TV and then it's a handful of people standing

534
00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:31.079
at a chess or table with some bunting.

535
00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:34.200
All duplicated by CGI.

536
00:24:34.259 --> 00:24:37.680
There's lots of people who look identical to one another at the

537
00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:38.099
party.

538
00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:41.579
It makes me think of that French and Saunders on the Titanic when

539
00:24:41.579 --> 00:24:42.299
they're...

540
00:24:42.299 --> 00:24:43.920
They're like told to don't do too much.

541
00:24:43.980 --> 00:24:45.779
They're like, I'm kind of away for baby.

542
00:24:45.839 --> 00:24:49.200
Iceberg iceberg person, but they're dead baby.

543
00:24:52.259 --> 00:24:55.980
In fact, it pissed down at the coronation and all of the street

544
00:24:55.980 --> 00:24:57.059
parties were cancelled.

545
00:24:57.059 --> 00:24:58.799
Everyone was watching.

546
00:24:58.920 --> 00:25:00.960
Thats why everyone remembers watching TV.

547
00:25:01.019 --> 00:25:05.339
Yeah, so that's another, you know, like, I feel like, you know

548
00:25:05.339 --> 00:25:08.279
paying lip service to history, you miss out on the verisimilitude

549
00:25:08.279 --> 00:25:11.220
of what is what England was really like.

550
00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:14.880
Like, bad enough you're filming it in Wales and trying to make it

551
00:25:14.880 --> 00:25:15.420
be London.

552
00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:20.039
That, I believe, but then can't you go the extra step and I don't

553
00:25:20.039 --> 00:25:22.799
know, we could have done without Derek from EastEnders screaming

554
00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:26.880
at people and had a bit more excitement about the coronation.

555
00:25:26.940 --> 00:25:29.700
I did love that they had the actual coronation on the television.

556
00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:33.059
Like that is a nightmare footage to get cleared.

557
00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:34.259
Right, okay.

558
00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:35.339
I know for a fact.

559
00:25:35.759 --> 00:25:39.240
From having had contact with the palace.

560
00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:44.519
For just a photo of mum in her chair.

561
00:25:44.700 --> 00:25:53.099
So yeah, it's, you know, I guess the BBC owns a decent copyright

562
00:25:53.099 --> 00:25:54.599
of it, but she's a fan.

563
00:25:54.660 --> 00:25:55.440
She is a fan.

564
00:25:55.500 --> 00:26:00.539
Apparently she got the series one box set for Christmas. in 2005

565
00:26:00.539 --> 00:26:02.759
or something like that. took it up to Balmont.

566
00:26:03.299 --> 00:26:07.380
That's how I always feel a bit bad about tooth and claw where the

567
00:26:07.380 --> 00:26:09.480
doctor makes it very clear that they're all werewolves.

568
00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:10.559
That's RTT.

569
00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:15.599
She probably had a laugh, looked side eyes at Philip.

570
00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:19.740
Oh my God, I forgot the best story about Philip.

571
00:26:20.099 --> 00:26:22.079
Is it repeatable?

572
00:26:22.259 --> 00:26:28.200
He got lost in the River Caves ride at Sydney Lunar Park.

573
00:26:28.920 --> 00:26:32.099
Which is a ride that you just sit in until the end.

574
00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:33.180
Right.

575
00:26:33.299 --> 00:26:34.980
And he got off halfway through.

576
00:26:35.039 --> 00:26:37.200
And they could find his way out.

577
00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:41.460
How gloriously, Philip, is that?

578
00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:43.740
Getting lost on a ride, you don't get off.

579
00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:48.299
Terrifying tiny children passing by.

580
00:26:48.420 --> 00:26:50.880
Oh, it was in...

581
00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:53.400
It was in, I think, 45.

582
00:26:53.579 --> 00:26:55.259
So like it was, yeah, it was before.

583
00:26:55.680 --> 00:26:59.160
Before, like it was a sign of things to come, obviously.

584
00:26:59.220 --> 00:27:01.200
Yeah, before he went quite, quite mad.

585
00:27:01.259 --> 00:27:01.680
Yeah.

586
00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:02.039
Yeah.

587
00:27:03.420 --> 00:27:04.859
There's always one foot there, wasn't it?

588
00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:05.460
Hell, yeah.

589
00:27:05.519 --> 00:27:06.599
I love him.

590
00:27:06.660 --> 00:27:20.400
He's ridiculous We talked about Britain and its the time and how

591
00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:23.880
it was reflected, but we're only seeing, as Russell likes to do

592
00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:28.859
It's starting to grate on me that it's always so suburban.

593
00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:30.960
It's not even at the scale of urban.

594
00:27:31.019 --> 00:27:32.640
So there's a lot of other things happening.

595
00:27:32.700 --> 00:27:37.559
I've been reading again about Diana Dawes, the power that she had

596
00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:42.000
in 1953 is a bigger film star, more highly paid than a cabinet

597
00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:42.599
minister.

598
00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:45.960
Looked like Marilyn Monroe, but actually was a star before

599
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:46.859
Monroe.

600
00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:48.240
They're all based on Gene Harlow.

601
00:27:48.299 --> 00:27:52.980
Well, and any drag queen, Rhonda, Virtual, any drag queen you

602
00:27:52.980 --> 00:27:53.940
would care to sign.

603
00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:58.799
So there was a polarity in Britain, that there were also figures

604
00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:05.460
of great height and silliness and and also a celebratory notion of

605
00:28:05.460 --> 00:28:07.200
well, what do you want to call it, capitalism?

606
00:28:07.259 --> 00:28:08.640
Do you want to call it sexuality?

607
00:28:08.700 --> 00:28:11.099
Do you want to call it the burgeoning after the festival of

608
00:28:11.099 --> 00:28:15.119
Britain in 51 where I want to see a story set in that with a space

609
00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:16.140
needle in that?

610
00:28:16.140 --> 00:28:17.819
gorgeous.

611
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:21.000
And it looks like Dalek City, off the back of TV21.

612
00:28:21.180 --> 00:28:25.079
But yeah, so the scale that he always brings it down to.

613
00:28:25.140 --> 00:28:27.059
I get that because he loves it's a soap.

614
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:29.400
So, Doctor Who is now a soap, and admits to make it relatable.

615
00:28:29.460 --> 00:28:33.599
But again, look, this is my problem with Mark Gadis.

616
00:28:33.660 --> 00:28:36.599
It's being let loose in a lolly shop, but you've only got 30

617
00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:37.019
seconds.

618
00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:39.720
So you throw everything in the bag and then you've got to sit down

619
00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:41.339
and work out what's going to make it on screen.

620
00:28:41.460 --> 00:28:42.299
Adam said it.

621
00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:44.519
I don't know that we ever actually get.

622
00:28:44.579 --> 00:28:47.339
Well, you get a lot of rumination afterwards, don't you?

623
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:48.839
Because you haven't really had a full feed.

624
00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:52.019
So again, with this one, ironic, given how many times we hear the

625
00:28:52.019 --> 00:28:52.440
word hungry.

626
00:28:52.500 --> 00:28:53.039
Yeah, yeah.

627
00:28:55.259 --> 00:28:57.599
Paradise Towers again, isn't it?

628
00:28:57.660 --> 00:29:00.900
I think Paradise Towers is a lot more successful at actually

629
00:29:00.900 --> 00:29:02.759
setting a mood in a small environment.

630
00:29:02.819 --> 00:29:03.240
Thank you.

631
00:29:03.299 --> 00:29:05.759
Because that's exactly a parallel that I'd be looking at.

632
00:29:05.819 --> 00:29:08.279
I get much more of a sense of, it's J.G. Ballard.

633
00:29:08.339 --> 00:29:10.920
We talked about it, much more of a sense of world than I get

634
00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:11.160
here.

635
00:29:11.220 --> 00:29:15.779
Yeah, I mean, I kind of, I don't know, thinking about the kitchen

636
00:29:15.779 --> 00:29:19.319
sink drama part of it, like the, well, it's a lounge room sitting

637
00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:23.039
around the television drama, but the, you know, there's just a

638
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:26.640
couple of moments where I was like, yeah, I get what's going on

639
00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:28.740
here, but you haven't really addressed why.

640
00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:31.859
Like, there's a brief moment of I didn't fight a war for this

641
00:29:31.859 --> 00:29:36.119
which is where, so men were emasculated by the fact that they came

642
00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:39.059
back from war and all the women were working and they all had jobs

643
00:29:39.059 --> 00:29:42.779
and they were all, you know, like John Crawford, Mildred Pierce

644
00:29:42.779 --> 00:29:46.019
was sort of the type of woman that was on screen.

645
00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:50.279
So they were replaced very quickly by a Diana Dawes and Marilyn

646
00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:54.119
Monroe's trying to make women seem subservient and keeping house.

647
00:29:54.180 --> 00:29:58.920
And, you know, women wouldn't have done that easily given that

648
00:29:58.920 --> 00:30:02.579
they had the run of the country for, you know, the last 5 or 6

649
00:30:02.579 --> 00:30:02.880
years.

650
00:30:02.940 --> 00:30:08.039
So the fact that the woman is such a milk toast, like she just

651
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:11.099
sort of puts up with this ranting, screaming behaviour.

652
00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:14.640
So when she throws him out, it feels so out of character.

653
00:30:14.700 --> 00:30:18.240
I think that's a failure in not only performance, but writing

654
00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:19.980
because she has no dialogue.

655
00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:22.740
Apart from, no, don't.

656
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:28.019
Like, she sounds like Jackie O. Stop it, guys.

657
00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:33.059
Kyle, you can't say that.

658
00:30:35.220 --> 00:30:38.940
I've got to cover my ass with the broadcasting authority.

659
00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:41.759
There's no room on the sofa for anyone else.

660
00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:46.440
But yeah, I think there was a reason for all this behaviour.

661
00:30:46.500 --> 00:30:49.380
There was a reason men were put at the head of the household all

662
00:30:49.380 --> 00:30:51.539
of a sudden and made the breadwinners.

663
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:55.079
Like that was the cultural necessity because there were all these

664
00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:57.539
men come back from war with no jobs to do.

665
00:30:57.599 --> 00:31:00.960
So it was like, well, you go and do your wife's job. she can stay

666
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:03.420
home and that was something that happened.

667
00:31:03.539 --> 00:31:09.180
But also this weird Union flag Union Jack business that comes out

668
00:31:09.180 --> 00:31:10.380
of nowhere.

669
00:31:10.380 --> 00:31:13.559
Like, I mean, it's it's fascinating and you learn something.

670
00:31:13.619 --> 00:31:16.680
You didn't know that last season when she was hanging from a

671
00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:17.160
barrack.

672
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:23.160
It's like when I found out the red ensign, the Australian red flag

673
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:25.619
that's only so flown at sea.

674
00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:30.059
Before, you know, the craziness of the Australian flag, like

675
00:31:30.059 --> 00:31:31.440
either the red or blue were fine.

676
00:31:31.500 --> 00:31:33.299
You could fly them anywhere in Australia.

677
00:31:33.420 --> 00:31:34.319
They were both our flag.

678
00:31:34.380 --> 00:31:37.440
And then one day it was decided, yeah, the red one can just be for

679
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:38.400
the sailors.

680
00:31:40.019 --> 00:31:42.720
I love finding out things about flags.

681
00:31:42.779 --> 00:31:44.700
Well, that line.

682
00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:48.960
In fact, it's one of my favourite moments is where Billy yells at

683
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:52.799
Mr. Connolly for, you know, only an idiot hangs the union flag

684
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:55.500
upside down, which is just tremendously great.

685
00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:58.500
And then she sort of ducks out a frame and runs off as if, you

686
00:31:58.500 --> 00:32:02.640
know, she's going to be grabbed by a sort of a cartoon hunter or

687
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:02.940
something.

688
00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:06.180
Because there's a lot of Looney Tunes, Chuck Jones direction.

689
00:32:06.180 --> 00:32:07.980
Yeah, they're really troping the interrupt.

690
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:09.059
We said trope.

691
00:32:09.059 --> 00:32:10.980
That little, yeah, that.

692
00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:11.279
Yeah.

693
00:32:11.339 --> 00:32:12.779
I mean, that is sort of fun.

694
00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:17.880
I think too, with Mr. Connolly's generation, they're about to be

695
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:20.279
replaced culturally as well.

696
00:32:20.339 --> 00:32:23.579
And so he's looking into his own obsolescence, I think.

697
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:27.839
And you've got Tommy, and we've said before, Tommy's speech is

698
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:34.559
like upsettingly vague and very on the nose as well.

699
00:32:34.619 --> 00:32:38.039
Like, just even the use of the word fascism to describe.

700
00:32:38.099 --> 00:32:41.400
I think what you're saying about it being set later is where that

701
00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:44.220
speech comes from, because that feels very out of place in 53.

702
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:44.819
Yeah.

703
00:32:44.819 --> 00:32:49.500
Like 53 was very much about conformity and that kind of change

704
00:32:49.500 --> 00:32:50.819
hadn't started to happen.

705
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:55.079
Like the kind of wave of youth feeling empowered.

706
00:32:55.140 --> 00:32:58.799
Like, you know, like they don't only just got out of of

707
00:32:58.799 --> 00:32:59.460
rationing.

708
00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:01.319
So no one felt empowered.

709
00:33:01.380 --> 00:33:01.980
Everyone was hungry.

710
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:05.519
Actually, that's a good point because Murray Gold's score is an

711
00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:07.920
acronistic. should not be coming in for another 4 years.

712
00:33:08.579 --> 00:33:11.220
They were listening just to listening to Sweet.

713
00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:15.359
They were still, yeah. it was all it was all Sinatra and and and

714
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:16.500
you know, that kind of thing.

715
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:19.559
We have to wait until Vicki comes along for sort of proper youth

716
00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:20.160
culture.

717
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:23.400
That's really what we're looking forward to.

718
00:33:23.460 --> 00:33:27.420
But yeah, like the fact that the Beatles are 10 years off and he's

719
00:33:27.420 --> 00:33:29.039
talking like they've been around for 5 years.

720
00:33:29.099 --> 00:33:32.759
It feels very, you know, out of place.

721
00:33:32.819 --> 00:33:36.539
But yeah, I can see if it's, if it was written intending to be

722
00:33:36.539 --> 00:33:38.519
much later in the 50s or early 60s.

723
00:33:38.579 --> 00:33:42.420
And rock and roller didn't hit the UK until much later in the US

724
00:33:42.420 --> 00:33:42.839
as well.

725
00:33:42.900 --> 00:33:44.700
We had it earlier than they did.

726
00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:45.119
Yeah.

727
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:48.480
Well, we're at very small country, and it takes telling 3 people

728
00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:49.920
about something for it to become important.

729
00:33:49.980 --> 00:33:50.460
It's huge.

730
00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:53.819
There were actually only 3 people in the country.

731
00:33:53.819 --> 00:33:54.599
Yeah, that's true.

732
00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:57.059
They were all menzies.

733
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:03.779
But yeah, I felt like it's just, I mean, we're analysing it to

734
00:34:03.779 --> 00:34:04.019
death.

735
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:07.319
It's a bit of fluff television and it's it's not the strongest

736
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:08.159
episode in the season.

737
00:34:08.219 --> 00:34:14.639
And it has come off the back of a fairly powerful 2 parter, which

738
00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:15.480
has its own flaws.

739
00:34:15.539 --> 00:34:20.519
But yeah, it just feels like a, it's just like, oh, I don't know.

740
00:34:20.579 --> 00:34:22.800
It's like when you're in a plane waiting to land.

741
00:34:23.699 --> 00:34:27.300
I'm going to get to something good next because the next 2

742
00:34:27.300 --> 00:34:28.199
episodes are amazing.

743
00:34:28.260 --> 00:34:28.800
Yeah.

744
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:30.420
Well, think about the long game.

745
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:34.019
That's where we were this time last year, which again, like ends

746
00:34:34.019 --> 00:34:38.639
up in retrospect, having more to do with the season, but like

747
00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:41.460
seemed at the time to be sort of filler.

748
00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:45.420
I think this looks more interesting than that.

749
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:48.480
But there's really much less to it.

750
00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:51.840
I mean, yeah, the thing with the long game, though, is, and this

751
00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:54.599
is one of the problems with this episode, I think, is that the

752
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:58.440
long game, you've got some of the best actors working in Britain

753
00:34:58.500 --> 00:35:03.420
like Anna Maxwell Martin. you've got Simon Pegg, you...

754
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:05.460
Tams and Greg, for God's sake.

755
00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:09.780
Just a little cameo. and what's her face that's now in Black

756
00:35:09.780 --> 00:35:10.260
Lightning.

757
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:14.639
And it's like, it's all about the performances and they're great

758
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:15.900
performances.

759
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:20.940
Whereas all the performances in this, uh, just in search of

760
00:35:20.940 --> 00:35:24.420
something in the script that's not there, like looking for subtext

761
00:35:24.420 --> 00:35:28.380
that's not there, or obliterating it with shouting and carry on.

762
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:33.480
It's, I feel like this is probably the weakest Euros Lynn episode

763
00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:39.360
and he's a great director of action and a director of the camera

764
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:43.199
but I think he's just, he does have fear her later in the year.

765
00:35:43.260 --> 00:35:47.460
Yeah, I know In fact, there was there was one time, I mean, they

766
00:35:47.460 --> 00:35:50.519
brought this forward in the running.

767
00:35:50.579 --> 00:35:54.719
They were nearly going to have, like, fear her and this, like

768
00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:56.880
consecutively, and they're so similar.

769
00:35:56.940 --> 00:36:00.360
Like they both have, you know, angry, abusive fathers.

770
00:36:00.420 --> 00:36:05.340
They both have a big media event, which is going to cause sort of

771
00:36:05.340 --> 00:36:07.500
widespread havoc and chaos.

772
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:10.679
They have people translated into sort of some kind of visual

773
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:11.460
medium.

774
00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:13.980
It ends with a big party in the street.

775
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:14.820
Like it's the same.

776
00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:19.920
Also, it's the, I think both of these episodes we get to see why

777
00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:25.679
why the tenant and Piper team is such a team, because when you

778
00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:30.960
take one part away, what's left is kind of just flapping around in

779
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:31.380
the breeze.

780
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:33.900
Yeah, you have some time without the doctor, don't you?

781
00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:34.739
Yeah.

782
00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:35.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

783
00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:36.659
He turns into a drawing.

784
00:36:36.780 --> 00:36:37.079
Yeah.

785
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:38.820
So it is.

786
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:40.440
It's the reverse.

787
00:36:40.500 --> 00:36:44.099
Yeah, it's essentially the same story, but flipped around.

788
00:36:44.099 --> 00:36:50.159
And yeah, just as tenants quite annoying when Rose isn't around.

789
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:53.400
Yeah, Rose is quite annoying when the doctor's not around.

790
00:36:53.460 --> 00:36:56.699
I actually do think she gets a good moment in this episode, though

791
00:36:56.699 --> 00:36:59.639
where, you know, she and the doctor are separated.

792
00:36:59.699 --> 00:37:03.420
He goes off to chase the police and she investigates the

793
00:37:03.420 --> 00:37:07.260
television, then does her funny line to Connolly and then goes and

794
00:37:07.260 --> 00:37:08.519
speaks to Mr. Magpie.

795
00:37:08.579 --> 00:37:11.519
Yeah, but that's this is what I mean though.

796
00:37:11.579 --> 00:37:14.940
Like, you know, when you've got them, they can be separate in the

797
00:37:14.940 --> 00:37:17.940
same episode because you'll cut back and forth between them and

798
00:37:17.940 --> 00:37:19.559
you, they're still both there.

799
00:37:19.619 --> 00:37:22.920
But when only one of them is in charge of the story.

800
00:37:22.980 --> 00:37:28.019
It's like, eh, like Tommy's meant to be being fulfilling the rose

801
00:37:28.019 --> 00:37:31.679
role and, you know, he's a nice enough kid, I'm sure, but he's a

802
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:32.219
little bit dull.

803
00:37:32.460 --> 00:37:36.480
He's like 29 or something when he's...

804
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:41.099
I thought he was like a 30-year-old doing the sort of squeaky keen

805
00:37:41.099 --> 00:37:42.000
Simpsons.

806
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:44.880
I assume anyone attractive on television is 29.

807
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:48.000
Just to make me feel better about myself.

808
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:52.500
You know, they actually originally wanted Nicholas Holt to...

809
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:53.699
Oh, he'd have been grown.

810
00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:54.599
Is he too young?

811
00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:55.800
He was too young at the time.

812
00:37:55.860 --> 00:37:58.500
He was 17 and he would have been playing a 17 year old.

813
00:37:58.619 --> 00:38:02.219
Oh, no, the 17 thing is more about the amount of days.

814
00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:04.320
Yeah, because he's a minor and therefore.

815
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:05.579
Yeah, it wouldn't have worked.

816
00:38:05.579 --> 00:38:06.539
You're going to have a parent.

817
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:07.139
It's expensive.

818
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:07.800
Yeah.

819
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:11.280
It just wouldn't have worked with the amount you needed to be in

820
00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:11.579
the episode.

821
00:38:11.639 --> 00:38:11.880
Yeah.

822
00:38:11.940 --> 00:38:13.500
Oh, that's frustrating.

823
00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:14.340
It would have been really good.

824
00:38:14.699 --> 00:38:18.119
Even up against Ed Connolly, though?

825
00:38:18.179 --> 00:38:19.019
Yeah.

826
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:22.500
Well, see, I reckon he, this is an, oh, no, maybe he couldn't.

827
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:27.960
I watched EastEnders a lot and there's a kid in that who is

828
00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:28.440
dreadful.

829
00:38:29.940 --> 00:38:32.579
And he's like a big theatre star.

830
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:36.840
He's a great singer and he spent like a year doing episodes with

831
00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:39.780
Timothy West playing his grandfather.

832
00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:43.800
And I'm like, how do you go to work every day with Timothy West

833
00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:45.059
and not learn anything.

834
00:38:48.119 --> 00:38:49.619
Like, he was just abominable.

835
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:53.760
I'm like, there is this powerhouse, this talented, incredible

836
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:55.679
performer in front of you every day.

837
00:38:55.739 --> 00:38:59.760
And he's known to be generous on set, with younger, with ingenue

838
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:01.800
performers, with ageing juveniles.

839
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:05.219
No, he's really known to be generous.

840
00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:08.280
Yeah, this kid, other than filling out his jeans well, was doing

841
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:09.360
that.

842
00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:15.480
Have you heard the David Tennant, Jodie Whittaker podcast?

843
00:39:15.539 --> 00:39:18.360
David No. the podcast interviewing Jodie Whittaker.

844
00:39:18.420 --> 00:39:20.699
I worry about him doing a podcast.

845
00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:22.199
Does anyone get a word?

846
00:39:22.260 --> 00:39:23.579
No, no, no, it's really good.

847
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:26.760
It's Olivia Coleman, then, will be Goldberg.

848
00:39:26.820 --> 00:39:30.300
And as we record, we've just had Jodie Whittaker.

849
00:39:30.300 --> 00:39:33.059
And she talks about working with Peter O'Toole, who...

850
00:39:33.179 --> 00:39:34.139
Oh, yes, when she was a kid.

851
00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:38.579
Yeah, and she spent her whole time asking him what was it like to

852
00:39:38.579 --> 00:39:42.239
be in King Ralph talking about how great King Ralph was.

853
00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:45.300
And he was like, what?

854
00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:50.460
Oh dear, I love her even more.

855
00:39:53.099 --> 00:39:55.380
I've worked with Olivia.

856
00:39:55.739 --> 00:39:57.719
I don't care about it.

857
00:39:59.460 --> 00:40:03.900
But yeah, I think, I don't know, it's...

858
00:40:03.900 --> 00:40:07.260
He's like, yeah, he was not good at EastEnders.

859
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:11.039
He's very annoying.

860
00:40:11.219 --> 00:40:14.880
I want to say that the whole problem with the episode is him.

861
00:40:15.300 --> 00:40:17.400
And it radiates outwards.

862
00:40:17.460 --> 00:40:21.599
I think, too, that it kind of doesn't have much ambition to say

863
00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:22.019
anything.

864
00:40:22.019 --> 00:40:24.719
And Gatus does atmosphere.

865
00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:28.199
And, you know, there's a very sort of league of gentlemen feel to

866
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:32.940
the faceless grandma, you know, knocking on the floor upstairs, you

867
00:40:32.940 --> 00:40:36.539
know, like David upstairs in the local shop sort of thing and

868
00:40:36.539 --> 00:40:37.559
she's turned into a monster.

869
00:40:37.619 --> 00:40:38.579
We don't know what it is.

870
00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:42.539
I mean, that's super atmospheric and that works very well.

871
00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:45.539
And they're set pieces, but there's nothing very much to say.

872
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:49.739
And it is, you know, you've got this sort of central thing where

873
00:40:49.739 --> 00:40:54.119
television is becoming a mass, you know, a form of mass

874
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:57.780
entertainment, which is going to change the landscape of the world

875
00:40:57.780 --> 00:41:03.119
and change, you know, people and you've got the grandmother

876
00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:06.059
warning us that it turns your brains to mush and makes them leak

877
00:41:06.059 --> 00:41:06.780
out of your ears.

878
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:12.659
And if only it had had something to say about that, you know, like

879
00:41:12.659 --> 00:41:16.860
if the wire had been successful in some way, not taking people's

880
00:41:16.860 --> 00:41:19.559
faces or something, but, you know, if we'd had a sort of comedy

881
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:22.679
beat at the end where the reason that we all sit staring at this

882
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:24.539
thing for hours every day.

883
00:41:24.659 --> 00:41:26.940
She did much better when she moved to Baltimore and got her own

884
00:41:26.940 --> 00:41:27.179
show.

885
00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:31.920
I mean, look, the Beta Max bit at the end.

886
00:41:31.980 --> 00:41:33.480
I found hilarious and cute.

887
00:41:33.659 --> 00:41:37.619
I like the label where he's written something in Gallifrey and on

888
00:41:37.619 --> 00:41:40.619
it and has crossed it out because he's taped something else.

889
00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:45.780
Maybe she did succeed because Magpie Electricals exist.

890
00:41:45.780 --> 00:41:46.380
I know.

891
00:41:46.380 --> 00:41:47.039
Forever.

892
00:41:47.099 --> 00:41:48.059
I know.

893
00:41:48.059 --> 00:41:48.659
In the new series.

894
00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:51.719
I kind of like, that's another one of those weird things where the

895
00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:55.920
production team are doing something that the writers don't seem to

896
00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:56.699
notice or care about.

897
00:41:57.960 --> 00:42:01.199
I think they bring it back about 6 or 7 times.

898
00:42:01.260 --> 00:42:02.400
Yeah, it keeps coming back.

899
00:42:02.460 --> 00:42:06.300
It works very well in the beast below because obviously that's, you

900
00:42:06.300 --> 00:42:08.820
know, theme park Britain heritage thing.

901
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:13.199
And they also write into the animation of Power of the Daleks.

902
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:14.039
Oh, yeah.

903
00:42:14.940 --> 00:42:17.039
But that's what I mean.

904
00:42:17.099 --> 00:42:18.480
It's like it's not written into these things.

905
00:42:18.539 --> 00:42:21.360
It's just kind of sticky taped on.

906
00:42:21.420 --> 00:42:25.260
But like, you know, the same orange jumpsuit being used for 14

907
00:42:25.260 --> 00:42:25.679
things.

908
00:42:25.739 --> 00:42:26.940
It's like, oh yeah, we made one.

909
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:30.420
We'll keep using it and we'll keep the stupid logo on it that

910
00:42:30.420 --> 00:42:31.260
means it came from this place.

911
00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:35.460
Even when someone's wearing it, that shoe and have the logo.

912
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:41.760
Yeah, there are a few times where I think the foot was off the

913
00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:45.480
pedal, especially in the Moffatt years where like he'd written the

914
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:49.559
episode and he was happy to do interviews about the show, but I

915
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:52.920
think he was very much not paying attention to the actual

916
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:53.880
production as it was going on.

917
00:42:53.940 --> 00:42:57.900
In contrast with Russell, who all over it.

918
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:01.440
Yeah, like, you know, that Russell wouldn't even let them, wouldn't

919
00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:06.360
let like a book or a big finish episode go out that was vaguely

920
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:06.840
similar.

921
00:43:06.900 --> 00:43:11.639
Whereas, you know, you get Moffat episodes that you're like, this

922
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:14.760
is the same plot as a thing I just listened to like 2 weeks ago.

923
00:43:14.820 --> 00:43:18.659
Well, this is the same plot as a thing from that book that, you

924
00:43:18.659 --> 00:43:23.280
know, that comic story and you're like, wouldn't you have said, oh

925
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:23.820
no to that?

926
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:25.019
If you'd read it.

927
00:43:25.739 --> 00:43:29.460
So it has meant that we've got some great big finish.

928
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:30.300
Oh, yeah.

929
00:43:30.300 --> 00:43:34.500
In the meantime. because he wasn't as controlling.

930
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:35.639
Yes.

931
00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:37.260
Instead of getting, what was it?

932
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:40.739
Mr. Stream in that lost audio.

933
00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:43.559
Like, it was supposed to be the master, the master and tractators

934
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:46.380
like, lost story that you finished it.

935
00:43:46.380 --> 00:43:48.420
And he was like, no, no, you can't have the master.

936
00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:51.000
So the character is just called Mr. Stream.

937
00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:53.280
I think or Professor Stream or something.

938
00:43:53.340 --> 00:43:55.260
Well, they could have just postponed.

939
00:43:56.159 --> 00:43:57.659
Yes.

940
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:03.000
Yeah, I mean, that, but I kind of like that Russell was that hands

941
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:03.000
on.

942
00:44:03.059 --> 00:44:07.800
Yeah, I just felt like there's being hands off and then, I don't

943
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:10.139
know, I think the Metabulous thing was the thing that made me go

944
00:44:10.139 --> 00:44:11.219
oh, yeah, you're not there.

945
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:13.980
See, my theory is busy over it, Sherlock.

946
00:44:14.340 --> 00:44:18.239
My theory is that John Pertley's doctor can't pronounce the names

947
00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:20.519
of planets, which is...

948
00:44:20.579 --> 00:44:21.300
That's it.

949
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:25.440
And so he gets metabolis wrong and he gets spiral on that. yeah

950
00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:25.920
that's right.

951
00:44:40.980 --> 00:44:45.300
I didn't think it was worth noting the return of the

952
00:44:45.300 --> 00:44:49.679
insufficiently executed villain from the dawn of time.

953
00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:54.539
They were a big staple, obviously, of the late 70s.

954
00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:57.840
It's our 1st one of the new series and there'll be another one

955
00:44:57.840 --> 00:44:58.260
next week.

956
00:44:58.320 --> 00:44:59.219
Oh, yeah.

957
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:07.079
Look, I have to say, I did enjoy the scariness of it.

958
00:45:07.139 --> 00:45:11.099
It's just that it didn't pay off with anything that's scary.

959
00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:11.699
Yeah.

960
00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:15.659
Like the chanting of hungry, the face is being pulled into the

961
00:45:15.659 --> 00:45:16.139
television.

962
00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:20.159
All of that was really was really effective, but I want to be able

963
00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:23.340
to get to the end of the episode and be afraid to turn the

964
00:45:23.340 --> 00:45:24.000
television on.

965
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:24.599
Yeah.

966
00:45:24.659 --> 00:45:28.320
Whereas this I was like, meh, it's something that Doctor Who in

967
00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:29.159
this era does.

968
00:45:29.219 --> 00:45:32.400
I think I remember being tentative walking down the street not

969
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:35.579
wanting to put my hand on any solo bins, you know, like after

970
00:45:35.579 --> 00:45:36.480
series one.

971
00:45:36.539 --> 00:45:38.880
And it should have done that, should it?

972
00:45:38.940 --> 00:45:40.320
It should have made kids to turn.

973
00:45:40.739 --> 00:45:44.699
It should be like the exploding bubble wrap, which I thought was

974
00:45:44.699 --> 00:45:46.500
ludicrous, but terrifying.

975
00:45:46.500 --> 00:45:51.659
And the same with, you know, well, I had the same problem with

976
00:45:51.659 --> 00:45:52.920
bubble wrap from Ark in Space.

977
00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:57.480
But also, like, just, you know, Moffatt managed to make us

978
00:45:57.480 --> 00:46:00.059
terrified of graveyards, statues.

979
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:04.199
Like, it's Doctor Who can be terrifying, make the mundane

980
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:07.079
terrifying, and we should all be afraid to turn the television

981
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:07.559
on.

982
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:11.880
And it's almost like as a television show, that's a bold choice to

983
00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:16.380
make, but they kind of, yeah, I felt like it just didn't get there

984
00:46:16.380 --> 00:46:16.800
in the end.

985
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:44.820
Well, they listener, we've finally got our faces back, and they're

986
00:46:44.820 --> 00:46:46.440
all looking a bit hairy, and we remember.

987
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:49.800
So we'll be back next week to settle down with a mortgage and some

988
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:52.019
carpets in the impossible planet.

989
00:46:52.139 --> 00:46:55.920
In the meantime, you can find us at FlightthroughEntirety.com

990
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:58.320
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991
00:46:58.320 --> 00:46:59.880
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992
00:46:59.940 --> 00:47:03.360
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993
00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:06.300
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994
00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:09.119
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995
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:09.599
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996
00:47:09.659 --> 00:47:12.780
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997
00:47:12.780 --> 00:47:15.840
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998
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999
00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:20.400
Where can people find you, Adam?

1000
00:47:20.460 --> 00:47:25.199
At Adam Richard on Twitter and the Instagram and fabulous Adam

1001
00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:27.960
Richard on the Facebook, the faeces book.

1002
00:47:28.500 --> 00:47:33.179
And I have a monthly newsletter that I've been writing monthly

1003
00:47:33.179 --> 00:47:33.719
supposedly.

1004
00:47:34.980 --> 00:47:37.679
You can get like Adamricard.com.

1005
00:47:37.739 --> 00:47:38.519
Brilliant.

1006
00:47:38.579 --> 00:47:39.119
Awesome.

1007
00:47:39.179 --> 00:47:40.380
All right.

1008
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:43.500
Until next time, may all your evil nemeses be sufficiently

1009
00:47:43.500 --> 00:47:44.699
executed enough.

1010
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:46.380
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1011
00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:46.980
Good night.

1012
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:47.579
Bye.

1013
00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:53.880
That was Flight through Entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, James

1014
00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:56.760
Selwood, Richard Stone, and special guest star Adam Richard.

1015
00:47:56.820 --> 00:47:59.699
Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, strings performance by Jane

1016
00:47:59.699 --> 00:48:00.539
Orberg.

1017
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:04.079
This episode, put a glaze on, was recorded on the 17th of February

1018
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:06.840
2019 and released on the 28th of April.

1019
00:48:10.500 --> 00:48:15.179
The wire was, undoubtedly, a particularly evil villain, but I

1020
00:48:15.179 --> 00:48:18.000
can't help thinking that we'll all be really feeling her absence

1021
00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:21.059
when it comes time for the coronation of King Charles III.

1022
00:48:24.179 --> 00:48:25.980
Okay, I think that's good.

1023
00:48:26.039 --> 00:48:27.360
It didn't get there in the end.

1024
00:48:27.420 --> 00:48:28.800
That's the actually...

1025
00:48:29.039 --> 00:48:30.119
Exactly.

1026
00:48:30.179 --> 00:48:32.460
That's really our takeaway.

1027
00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:34.980
There's so much good stuff in it.

1028
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:38.519
It just, you know, at the end, I'm like, oh, well, I've got some

1029
00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:40.860
lolly rappers. don't feel the best afterwards.

1030
00:48:44.940 --> 00:48:46.440
All right.

1031
00:48:46.500 --> 00:48:47.099
What do you think?

1032
00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:48.239
It's a really good one.

1033
00:48:48.300 --> 00:48:51.539
It's a, that's probably the name of the I think it'll be fun.

1034
00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:54.360
I'm still thinking something about berinas.

1035
00:48:57.420 --> 00:49:00.659
You can pop that in later when you do this asylum of the dart.

1036
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:02.820
Marina and the Dale.

1037
00:49:02.820 --> 00:49:05.880
Marina and the Dale.

1038
00:49:05.940 --> 00:49:07.320
Sorry.

1039
00:49:07.500 --> 00:49:09.780
Delta and the Barina.

1040
00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:10.320
No, sorry.

1041
00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:12.780
Okay.

1042
00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:16.920
So, yeah, the title would probably be something you said.

1043
00:49:16.980 --> 00:49:18.119
Oh, don't Yeah, no.

1044
00:49:18.179 --> 00:49:22.079
It's usually something the guest, the guest says, at least on

1045
00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:24.059
their 1st view.

1046
00:49:24.179 --> 00:49:25.320
Did you use the seatball?

1047
00:49:25.380 --> 00:49:26.820
No, that was you.

1048
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:29.400
Thus evil.

1049
00:49:29.460 --> 00:49:31.800
There you go.

1050
00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:34.199
I didn't use the scene.

1051
00:49:34.380 --> 00:49:36.360
What, coronation?

1052
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:38.159
Yeah, I do say coronation.

1053
00:49:38.219 --> 00:49:40.440
I love Florence El Street.

1054
00:49:40.500 --> 00:49:44.159
If you ever want to watch, it's far superior to an adventure in

1055
00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:44.699
time and space.

1056
00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:47.760
The road to Coronation Street is a brilliant.

1057
00:49:48.059 --> 00:49:49.920
I have it on my... the same kind of thing.

1058
00:49:49.980 --> 00:49:50.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1059
00:49:50.820 --> 00:49:54.059
It's about Tony Warren creating Coronation Street.

1060
00:49:54.179 --> 00:49:54.659
And it is.

1061
00:49:54.659 --> 00:50:00.960
And it's got Cat Slainer from EastEnders as Pat Phoenix and she is

1062
00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:02.519
brilliant.

1063
00:50:02.639 --> 00:50:07.260
And Enos Sharples is old, mate, from open all hours.

1064
00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:09.599
Oh, not Linda Berlin?

1065
00:50:09.659 --> 00:50:09.840
Yes.

1066
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:10.440
Linda Barron.

1067
00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:11.940
Well, we own her.

1068
00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:12.719
The other baron.

1069
00:50:12.780 --> 00:50:14.760
The other one. we own.

1070
00:50:14.820 --> 00:50:15.179
We own.

1071
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:15.780
Yeah, 3 times.

1072
00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:19.079
When was the last time we watched the Gunfighters?

1073
00:50:19.139 --> 00:50:21.300
Because, you know, she sings, she's in action.

1074
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:23.280
Yeah, yeah, she sings the theme. not really funny.

1075
00:50:23.340 --> 00:50:24.360
It's great.

1076
00:50:24.420 --> 00:50:25.380
Oh, no, it's superb.

1077
00:50:26.219 --> 00:50:29.519
Dodo's hat of accents.

1078
00:50:29.579 --> 00:50:30.420
Yeah.

1079
00:50:30.420 --> 00:50:32.820
I think she's Dota's at her best in that one.

1080
00:50:32.820 --> 00:50:33.960
That is her best one, I think.

1081
00:50:34.019 --> 00:50:35.039
Do you know what I've noticed?

1082
00:50:35.099 --> 00:50:37.320
I've been watching Game of Thrones from the beginning with the

1083
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:37.860
other half.

1084
00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:44.099
And I had never realised that, um, oh, mate, little finger from

1085
00:50:44.099 --> 00:50:45.360
queer folk.

1086
00:50:45.420 --> 00:50:46.920
He...

1087
00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:48.059
Gillan?

1088
00:50:48.119 --> 00:50:50.699
Gillan, he dips into the hat of accents.

1089
00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:52.980
Like when you're watching week to week, it's fine.

1090
00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:56.639
When you're watching more than one back to back, you're like, oh

1091
00:50:56.639 --> 00:50:57.719
you're from somewhere different this way.

1092
00:50:57.780 --> 00:51:00.719
Like, he's like, he's all over.

1093
00:51:00.780 --> 00:51:03.300
One moment, one moment, he's from Manchester.

1094
00:51:03.360 --> 00:51:04.559
The next moment he's from Wales.

1095
00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:06.179
Seriously.

1096
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:07.500
But isn't he Irish, actually?

1097
00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:08.699
Yeah, in reality?

1098
00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:09.000
Yeah.

1099
00:51:09.059 --> 00:51:10.559
So, yeah, one way.

1100
00:51:10.619 --> 00:51:16.679
Yeah, he's he's seriously, he moves around. was the thing?

1101
00:51:16.739 --> 00:51:19.619
rattling up and down the end.

1102
00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:25.500
That reminds me of, um, it's, uh, when Pierce Brosnan says to Mrs

1103
00:51:25.500 --> 00:51:26.940
Duff, your accent's a bit muddled.

1104
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:27.960
Oh, yes, like you're tan.

1105
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:36.539
There should be someone on set, always saying that to Pierce.