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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety

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the only Doctor Who podcast that suspended in perpetual

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geostationary orbit around a black hole without falling in.

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The weather's quite nice though.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm Todd, and I'm Peter.

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Hello.

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We're somewhere in a distant galaxy, many light earths, many light

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years from earth, and a long buried ancient evil is rising from

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the depths.

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So you keep a lookout for Philip Hinchcliffe while we discuss the

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impossible planet.

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So, Peter, I understand that this episode's written by a friend of

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yours, and therefore we can pretty much safely discount anything

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nice you say about it.

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Is that right?

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Well, that's pretty much the situation all the time.

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Yes, full disclosure.

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This is written by a good friend of mine, Matt Jones, which makes

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the fact that it's so good, and even greater pleasure because it

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means I don't have to fake anything.

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I can just like wax lyrical.

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I gather it this time, like during Russell's tenure, he does a

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passover pretty much everyone's script, is that right?

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As far as I know, yes, I don't think.

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Well, Stephen Moffat script, I think there was an agreement

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between him and Russell that they wouldn't edit sort of each

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other's material, but I think every other writer, Russell would

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always have a pass on.

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I think, um, is it James Moran, who wrote Pfizer Pompeii?

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Yeah, I've heard him on Twitter talk about how great that

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experience was and how Russell is able to really kind of give the

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dialogue a really sort of sparky, rustly kind of feel to it.

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Yeah, kind of a sprinkle of gold dust over the top.

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And you can tell because the era feels so homogeneous.

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It all feels like it's part of a greater hole.

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And I think that's Russell's influence.

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Everything's sufficiently the same but different.

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So this is our big 2 parter.

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Last year it was written by Stephen Moffat, obviously the empty

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child and the doctor dancers, but this is a sort of big tent pole

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event episode, isn't it?

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Yes, it is.

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And it's the 1st time that we're not on Earth, New Earth, Parallel

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Earth, space station around Earth, we are far, far away.

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Like it's actually the 1st time in the series, that we are that

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distant removed from a safe sort of environment.

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That's interesting, isn't it?

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There was a very definite attempt, I think, not to alienate the

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audience in series one by going to Planet Zog.

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And, of course, for budgetary reasons.

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They didn't want to do a sort of crappy job of their sort of 1st

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new planet.

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And I guess if you don't count New Earth, the 1st time we actually

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ever use a location to represent an alien planet is here.

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We get a quarry, our very 1st Doctor Who, 21st century quarry.

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And what a magical use of a quarry.

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I mean it looks superb.

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And what Todd was saying there as well, about sort of being far

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removed when they do go into spacing is our 1st alien world.

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There's a sense that you're very far away.

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You know, this is the edge of the universe, edge of a black hole.

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It's a small group of people, help is a long, long way away.

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And that feels like those Hinchcliffe stories like Planet of

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Evil.

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Yeah, it was very much Planet of Evil, but it does reinvent that

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whole genre.

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And if you think about Planet of Evil, it's one of the many

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stories in the Hingecliff era where Liz Sladen is the only woman

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in the cast and where everyone else in the cast just has a single

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last name.

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So it's all kind of men with a single name and no sort of

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particular characteristics apart from Vashinski's chest hair.

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Whereas here I think they do a fantastic job of making these

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people real.

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It's such a diverse cast.

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And yes, you're quite right.

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All of them have different characteristics.

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From Danny, the Captain, Zachary, Crossflane, Toby, Ida Scott

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Scooty, Mr. Jefferson.

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So yes, it's a diverse cast, and we even got 2 extra security

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officers in there just so that they can be sacrificed to the right

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moment in time.

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But all those other people. you actually care about and get a feel

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for the characters and they're all sufficiently different and

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they've all got their parts to play with either Rose or the doctor

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and I really enjoy them all.

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And I think that's one of the big strengths of this script is

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having such a diverse cast and such a big cast, but you get to

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feel for them all.

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I don't think there's a cast that, well, a cast of characters, the

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actors are all great.

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But the characters who are that big and that's sort of strong in

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the entire rustle era, every one of them feels like a well-rounded

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person, every one of them is played by a good actor.

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And it's one of the hallmarks of kind of the good writing that

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people have nicknames. and so scooties called Scooty, her name is

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actually Scutori, I think.

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And, you know, this is a real world where people have nicknames

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and, you know, rib each other about things.

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Well, the ribbing is what really struck me is that there's no real

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interpersonal conflict here.

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We don't get drama from the fact that the characters hate or

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distrust one another.

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And they joke with one another and they kind of, you know

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playfully punch one another on the arm.

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Everyone seems to get on.

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We'll talk a little bit later about what happens to Toby, but he

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immediately at one point in this episode just thinks that Danny is

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pranking him.

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So that must be a thing that happens.

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It's so good.

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And that little bit is in the control centre where Danny and

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Scooty have a little bit of a back and forth and he bops her over

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the head with a what looks like one of those Australia Post

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tubes.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. think that must have been what I was thinking of

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really is very nice.

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And they are all sort of young.

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They're dressed in normal clothes, like they're not dressed in

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sort of space outfits.

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They're dressed like people might be dressed.

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I think, you know, Danny's wearing a hoodie.

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Toby's wearing an attractive tight t-shirt.

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You know, it looks modern.

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It looks 21st century and it's not alienating.

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We're not all wearing kind of spandex jumpsuits.

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And it's such a hard trick to pull off, having a cast of

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characters that work so well.

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You look at when the series tries to do it again in episodes like

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42 or the Waters of Mars.

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And they're fine, but the characters are not nearly so well

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defined or work so well together, and it makes you realise what a

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trick it is that this episode pulls off.

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Yeah, I think maybe Waters of Mars comes closer, but I certainly

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don't remember the sort of obvious camaraderie and things.

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And I think, you know, for instance, Zachary Crossflane, who is

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extraordinarily good, like he's a great performance and he's given

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just enough of a backstory.

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You know, he's had to step into the captain's role at the last

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minute.

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He's super unsure of himself.

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And you see Ida encouraging him as they're being introduced to the

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Doctor and Rose.

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And it's so nice.

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You know, it's so good. that informs his performance all the way

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through.

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Yes, I think Sean Parks is really, really good.

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And certainly when he allows the doctor to give him a hug.

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It's a really interesting moment that I picked up in this time

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around.

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I thought, is he actually attracted to the doctor?

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Is there something there?

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I never really, I just thought, is that?

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Yeah, it was just an interesting moment and I thought it was

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really beautiful.

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Do you know how I read it?

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It was one of those things where I had remembered it as a sort of

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slightly annoying tenety bit of business where he sort of overacts

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a bit and is super sort of 10th doctorary.

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But he asks permission for the hug.

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They hug, and Zach actually likes it.

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You know, not because he's attracted.

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Yeah, not because he's attracted to the doctor, but because it's a

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nice gesture.

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And he probably needs a hug, you know.

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And it's so well played.

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It's so nicely played by Parks.

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I think it's really, really good.

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It's a nice tenant bit, but the annoying tenant bit you might be

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thinking of comes just before when the doctor says, oh, I'm very

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good and you think doctors stopped being self-aggrandizing.

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It's one of it's one of the 10th doctor's least attractive

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traits.

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See, when Tom does it, I think he sort of alien enough.

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You know, Tom will do, and if I'm right, and I usually am, you

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know, that sort of thing.

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But I don't know.

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I'm beginning to think that the more David Tennant is playing at

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like David Tennant, the more attractive and likeable the doctor

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is.

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The moments when he sort of drops the act a bit and talks normally

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and there are plenty of them here.

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He's really, really good, but there is an artificiality and

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manneredness to his performance, and he's saddled with an accent

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and I sometimes find him a little bit difficult to watch.

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I think he gets better as he goes along.

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Right. looking forward to that.

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I wondered whether that's what my experience would be.

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Spoilers.

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Yeah.

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But one of the things I do like here is the relationship that is

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built between him and Ida.

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And I think Claire Rush booked as an excellent job.

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And, you know, we've seen it earlier in the season with the love

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interest with Madame Pompadour.

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But here it's not a love interesting.

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It's just more of a companion role.

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And I really like the 2 of them together and it's quite immediate

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like their sort of intellectual sort of bases that they're forming

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their friendship on.

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You were saying that, um, one of the things is, like, this is the

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big two parter.

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Like, and I do agree with that.

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I tend to find in this era of Russell T. Davies is that I actually

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like the 2nd two-part as more than the 1st 2 parties in every

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season.

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It's not the same for you.

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I know probably Nathan, but I prefer this over the Rise of the

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Cyberman.

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I prefer the empty child 2 parter over, um, aliens of London.

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Sorry, I always forget the name of that.

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And even next year, I prefer the 2nd 2 parter over the Dalek one

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and in the 4th year, I prefer the library one over the Santarian

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one.

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I think I prefer the library one over the Santarian one, but I

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think that the 22 parters play a different role, don't they?

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We get a big kind of event early in the season.

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But it's always said on earth.

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It tends to have like a returning monster or a marquee monster

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although the 1st one, obviously, doesn't.

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And it tends to be a bit lighter in tone, whereas the 2nd two

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parter tends to be a bit more sombre and a bit more serious, I

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think.

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And so, depending on what your taste in Doctor Who is. you're

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going to like one of those sort of more than the other.

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And you know, I think I remember reading an interview with Russell

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at some point where he pointed out the fact that you have, you

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know, a big rollicking adventure early on to keep everyone

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interested and they talked about the fact that the 2nd 2 parts

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tends to be darker, but he made a comment saying, anyone can be

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dark, dark's easy.

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And that really stuck with me.

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I thought, yeah, it would be easy to make all doc 2 like that, but

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it's nice that it's not.

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Yeah, yeah, I think I agree.

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So the Dr. and Rose arrive and they're immediately kind of

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annoying.

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Yes, they are annoying.

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There's something about that 1st scene where they come out of the

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TARDIS and have a joke about the fact that they're about to be in

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a Doctor Who adventure, which makes them very slappable.

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Yeah, that's right.

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Should we go or should we just get back in and go away?

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Yeah, and it's one of the few times, there's a few times in this

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episode where Billy does a forced laughter thing and that's not

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her usual performance style.

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So, I mean, I have a theory about their performance in this

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story.

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Oh really?

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When was this filmed?

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It's last.

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So it's her last episode.

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Correct.

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And do you think that maybe that's why?

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absolutely.

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I think maybe there was a little bit of kind of holiday fever

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setting in, you know, last day of school kind of thing.

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But also, I think that David and Billy were so chummy in real life

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that that's seeping into the performances here.

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Was tooth and claw also filmed quite late?

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No, early.

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Okay.

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No, because that's the other one where that sort of relationship

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is a bit grady.

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Well, I think it's an intentional thing, and I think that, you

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know, the relationship between David and Billy kind of seeps into

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something that is sort of intended to be there.

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I think we're supposed to feel a little bit uncomfortable with how

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smug they are.

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Yeah, and smug is the word for it.

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And I think it's there in the racing.

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I think the performance amps it up a little bit.

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If a lot of these scenes were played down a little bit more, then

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it would be fine.

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But the performance is like they always say about doing comedy in

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Doctor Who.

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I think it was Douglas Adams.

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You know, the actors see a funny line and they bring a comedy

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interpretation to it, whereas no, the funny line should just

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stand.

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It feels like this.

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If some of it just stood by itself, it would be fine.

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But that chumminess and that smugness is being ramped up.

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The actors are kind of leaning into it a bit too.

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Absolutely.

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And then we get the oud advancing on them saying we must feed.

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And, you know, it's our internal cliffhanger.

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So these sort of scary monsters are advancing on the doctor and

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Rose and they're going to eat them and, you know, both the doctor

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and Rose are panicking, then opening credits.

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And can I just say it looks like you'd have already fed a big bowl

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of spaghetti.

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But it's this whole thing. fake out.

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Yeah, but it certainly puts in your mind as the viewer that, well

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maybe they're not quite as friendly as all that, you know, yeah

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foreshadowing.

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I think it works actually quite well.

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When I 1st was rewatching this, and we come back from the closing

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credits, and the Oud sort of looks at his translation ball and

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then shakes it to get it working again properly, and then says we

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must feed you if you are hungry, which seems like a very

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improbable thing for anyone to want to say.

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But it does foreshadow the fact that the ood start to say like

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scary and off-putting things all the way through is an indication

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that something's going wrong.

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So it's sort of a sort of daggy joke, I think, but it eventually

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gets justified by what ends up happening with the od.

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And the odes are such a brilliant design.

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I mean, they look great.

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They're easily imitatable in the schoolyard.

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You know, just have to be spaghetti face and, you know, hold your

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hand up and do a bit of a wiggle.

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Have a ball in your hand.

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Absolutely.

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You know, they're made to be played in the school ground.

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But they're rubber masks at the end of the day.

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And yet the rubber masks can do 2 things.

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They can look really quite sweet and innocent when they're batting

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their eyelids and, you know, talking to Rose.

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And then when they get the old pink eye and become the spawn of

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the devil, they're really quite menacing. think they're amazingly

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good.

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So they, there must be an animatronic mask, I think, because

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there's eyelids and, and there are facial expressions, and they're

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very deliberately decided, I think, after the experience of the

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Slovene, not to have a mask that requires lip syncing to dialogue

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because that was never particularly successful with the Slovene

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masks, but here, because their mouths are sort of fringed in

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tentacles, and because they're not really speaking, they actually

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look really great.

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And they've got a lot of sort of swarfiga or KY jelly or something

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over those tentacles.

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So they're super kind of gross.

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In fact, about time, which is super negative about these episodes

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for some reason.

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Nobody's perfect.

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Well, what they say is, do you really want a waiter who is sort of

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constantly drooling to serve your food?

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Absolutely, I do.

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Have you seen remains of the day?

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With the butler with the drippy nose into the sandwiches.

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He's the ood prototype.

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But we didn't originally have the ood.

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I think this is something that you know about, Peter.

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Yes, it was, I think, in the earliest days.

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It was meant to be the sledine.

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Really?

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Yes.

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I mean this is very early days.

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It's sort of the same reason that you bring the ice warriors

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back.

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You know, you've got these giant fibreglass things in a storage

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compartment somewhere in the BBC and you want to reuse them.

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It would be cheap to reuse them and it's why they appear a few

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times in the 1st series of Sarah Jane Adventures, for instance.

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Yeah, and let's not forget, the Celine made a big impact.

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They didn't always work, especially in their 1st story, but you

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know, they were one of the takeaways from the 1st season.

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So when this episode was being written, they would have been, you

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know, big news.

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Yeah.

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So the idea was that they were Slovene that were kind of down on

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their luck and it hired themselves out to a human expedition, I

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think.

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But I do think that the problem with a sabine here would be that

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they're a little bit too comfortable.

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We've seen them a few times they're funny and having the ood, who

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are funny, I think.

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They're great characters.

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Yeah, yeah, but they are also super alien and not very much like

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anything we've seen before.

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I'm just thinking ahead thinking how the hell would they get

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through any ventilation shots?

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Oh, that's true.

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Also, like at the beginning here.

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And throughout this episode.

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I think one of the most stunning things are the visual effects, the

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planet's surface, the actual wind swept look, and when they open

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up the dome to look at the black hole, it's amazing what the

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visual effects are 18 months after the show started again.

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Yeah.

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You know, the sets themselves are a little bit more modern.

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I mean, you think about the number of bases under siege that we've

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actually seen in Doctor Who.

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And so having sets that are visually sort of complex and

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interesting to look at, particularly those corridor sets.

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I think are really good.

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The lighting behind the panels sort of flashing in sequence.

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Yeah, I'm not sure about habitation area 3, whether that's quite

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so good.

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There's a bit too many sort of flats and things in there.

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But that main control area where Zach finds himself for most of

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the time is also really, really good.

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There's a real sort of sense of, you know, they're solid, you know

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those doors seem really kind of solid and they're a huge feature

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and flimsiness. like you could believe that they're they're a flat

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pack.

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And there's even throwaway references.

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I mean, the fact that door frames can be security level ace or

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whatever it is, and then the one into control is 10, so it's

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harder to break into.

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It's these throwaways that make it a completely believable world.

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And can I say, I think it's actually the most sophisticated and

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complete design work that we've had so far in the new series.

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And they do some nice long shots to be able to capture everything

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on the set.

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I kudos to Ed Thomas for this, the designer.

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He's someone who never saw a Cardiff backstreet or a paper factory

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that he didn't like to turn into something, but he really went to

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town on this one.

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And the whole look of the story is just fantastic.

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I think you can believe in it as a credible world in itself.

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You know, even when the doctor and Rose come out at the very

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start.

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There's the wind whipping outside, the doors talking, the flashing

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lights of the panels, the sirens, whenever one of the earthquakes

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hits, it all works together.

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And I think, actually, my old, my old friend and editor and

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housemate, Gary Gillis, said that the difference between a great

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Doctor 2 story and a bad Doctor 2 story is the credibility of the

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world that it creates.

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So robots of death, for instance, fantastic, or Andrasani major

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you totally believe there's world out there, car fell in time

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lash.

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Maybe not.

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Whereas here, you believe the world.

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It's perfectly crafted.

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I think there is a little bit of fridge logic.

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I actually spent my 2nd viewing of this wondering how they got all

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this stuff here in that little sort of spaceship.

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Flatback.

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But it really, really does look good.

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And I think Russell has said in the series Bible that he didn't

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want there to be colonists, that he wanted to use the word

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pioneers, and these people are obviously not colonists.

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They're not trying to settle the place.

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But he wanted to make sure that space seemed scary and difficult

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and dangerous, and not to take space for granted.

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You know, in the late 70s, we had so many spaceships and so many

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space spaces and all of that sort of thing, and everyone was sort

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of rather blasé about travelling through space.

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But having these people be in danger and have to be brave, to be

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involved in it, I think, you know, sells it and makes them more

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likeable.

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Very true.

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And I mean, even later in this episode, Rose actually says space

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travel is tough.

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You know, there's no anti-gravity, no teleport, which is what, you

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know, as viewers, we're used to the Star Trek world, everything.

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So easy and it just, I think, reinforces perhaps a bit of a

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difference with Doctor Who compared to other science fiction shows

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at various times.

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All the grimy metallic world of the liberator.

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The grimy, metallic cocktail lounge.

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I think that's an interesting point because the series goes

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through cycles with its approach to space.

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I interviewed Jamie Matheson, who wrote Oxygen for series 10 and

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he made the very same point.

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He said that Stephen Moffatt, when commissioning the story, said

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that he felt that space had become too safe, and Stephen used an

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example from his own work, which was River song floating through

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space in the air corridor in the time of angels.

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And he said, no, let's get back to the dangers of space and the

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fact that one wrong step could kill you, which is why all the

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characters in that episode are so on the edge.

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The thing about this is that the visual design inside and outside

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is just so beautiful.

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I mean, they do rip off for Lord of the Rings a bit, I think, with

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the whole black hole look.

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But even with them entering night shift, you know, it's such a

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real place, you know, and and that, I just, and sitting here

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people just thinking in my head, that windy landscape, you know

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when storage room, what is it, one to 6 or whatever, fall into the

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chasm, like those things are just etched into my mind, but backing

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all that up is the score, the musical score for this episode, which

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I just find quite haunting at times. absolutely beautiful.

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I mean, when the dog is best work, I think.

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When the doctor, well, actually there's 2 things.

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When they look at it, the scarlet system. absolutely haunting

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music.

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And then when they also descend down in the pit, or what is it

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down into the earth.

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Yeah, yeah.

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There's also beautiful.

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The music is epic on the descent of that capsule.

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Yeah.

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And I just say they're going, this is utterly beautiful.

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Originally, I did nominate to actually do these episodes, listeners

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you know, I like to do ones that are my favourite and or the

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opposite end of the spectrum, and this season I've actually gotten

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neither, which is really interesting because my favorite's

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actually tooth and claw, and my least favourite is fear her.

495
00:24:14.339 --> 00:24:17.819
So to get something in between, like I was kind of going, oh, dear

496
00:24:17.819 --> 00:24:20.759
you know, I can't just sing praises or I can't just rubbish it.

497
00:24:20.819 --> 00:24:22.140
This is going to be tough.

498
00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:25.019
But I just sat here and I always, I've always liked this.

499
00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:26.220
Like, I always thought it was very good.

500
00:24:26.339 --> 00:24:33.539
It is along with truth and claw and the girl in the fireplace, my

501
00:24:33.539 --> 00:24:35.039
favourites of the season.

502
00:24:35.099 --> 00:24:38.700
So really strong stuff, but it's the visual stuff and that music

503
00:24:38.700 --> 00:24:42.420
throughout this episode that I just underscores everything, how

504
00:24:42.420 --> 00:24:44.220
terrific it actually is.

505
00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:49.200
This episode feels like it's had a very long term meeting, because

506
00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:50.519
everything is on board.

507
00:24:50.579 --> 00:24:54.599
The music, the design of the Ude, the sets, what the characters

508
00:24:54.599 --> 00:24:56.700
are wearing and the way that they interact with each other.

509
00:24:56.759 --> 00:25:01.980
It all comes together to create that credible world that I was

510
00:25:01.980 --> 00:25:02.460
talking about.

511
00:25:02.579 --> 00:25:07.019
And Todd, the exterior shots that you're talking about with, I

512
00:25:07.019 --> 00:25:10.500
think there's one of scooty working on something outside when they

513
00:25:10.500 --> 00:25:13.440
change over to night shift and the antenna is turning around

514
00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:15.359
behind her and the wind is whipping.

515
00:25:15.420 --> 00:25:18.420
It's got a very strong sense of place.

516
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:22.140
You know, exactly, you know, it feels like a real place in someone

517
00:25:22.140 --> 00:25:22.740
doing work.

518
00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:27.720
But then after that, with Toby outside, standing in that weird way

519
00:25:27.720 --> 00:25:30.960
like he's not comfortable in his own body and Scooty looking at

520
00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:33.900
him through the window, I mean, that might be the contender for

521
00:25:33.900 --> 00:25:35.400
the best visual of the season.

522
00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:39.359
Let's talk about Toby, shall we?

523
00:25:39.900 --> 00:25:44.700
We've had a few little hints of horror with the oud saying sort of

524
00:25:44.700 --> 00:25:47.400
weirdly inappropriate things for a moment, but no one seems to

525
00:25:47.400 --> 00:25:51.119
register them and we dismiss them, but quite early on in the

526
00:25:51.119 --> 00:25:56.099
episode, we have Toby in his quarters doing some archeology.

527
00:25:56.160 --> 00:26:02.940
And we suddenly hear the terrifying voice of TV's Gabriel Wolf.

528
00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:06.779
An absolutely chilling scene, and you get you get the little

529
00:26:06.779 --> 00:26:10.079
teaser of it beforehand where Toby's walking through the corridor

530
00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:12.960
and I think, is it the computer that says something weird at that

531
00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:14.339
time, the door computer?

532
00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:17.339
And every time Toby is freaked out, it's shot in the same way.

533
00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:21.119
It's shot from every conceivable angle and then the director cuts

534
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:24.240
between every conceivable angle to make it feel like he's being

535
00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:26.160
watched from everywhere.

536
00:26:26.220 --> 00:26:30.660
I think that also sort of sells the idea of being disoriented as

537
00:26:30.660 --> 00:26:30.900
well.

538
00:26:31.079 --> 00:26:36.000
He'll use it again next week to reflect the doctor's very quick

539
00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:38.039
thought processes as well.

540
00:26:38.099 --> 00:26:39.900
But it is a good trick.

541
00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:40.619
It really works.

542
00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:42.900
And also having the camera watching him.

543
00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:48.059
So having him shot from behind while he's working.

544
00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:51.299
And that thing, that it's a very simple thing.

545
00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:54.480
There's no actual horror in it, but that don't turn around or

546
00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:57.180
you'll die is so frightening.

547
00:26:57.240 --> 00:27:02.160
It's, I think, the grimmest scene of certainly up until this point

548
00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:03.480
in New Doctor Who.

549
00:27:03.539 --> 00:27:06.839
There's nothing quite as putently frightening as that.

550
00:27:06.900 --> 00:27:09.900
You know, that whole thing of like, if you look at me, you will

551
00:27:09.900 --> 00:27:12.599
die, that constant reference to you're going to die.

552
00:27:12.660 --> 00:27:13.259
Yeah.

553
00:27:13.259 --> 00:27:18.539
It's quite full on for us or Dr. 2. there's a twitchy energy about

554
00:27:18.539 --> 00:27:20.160
Toby that makes it work.

555
00:27:20.220 --> 00:27:25.200
His look is really good too, because he is he's attractive, you

556
00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:28.019
know, he is attractive, but he's weird looking as well.

557
00:27:28.140 --> 00:27:30.839
Yeah, and he hardly ever cracks a smile.

558
00:27:30.900 --> 00:27:34.200
He's always worried looking even before any of this goes down.

559
00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:37.799
Yeah, in fact, it's funny, isn't it, that he is a very good

560
00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:41.700
looking man, but he seems to be really, really unsure of himself

561
00:27:41.700 --> 00:27:43.799
and a little bit sort of introverted.

562
00:27:43.859 --> 00:27:45.599
Insecure Yeah.

563
00:27:45.660 --> 00:27:49.380
No, that dialogue is, yeah, you know, doomed to turn around.

564
00:27:49.380 --> 00:27:52.440
And then the other one is like, I think the computer says he is

565
00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:55.500
awake and the phone call is he is awake and that keeps coming

566
00:27:55.980 --> 00:27:56.940
coming back, you know.

567
00:27:57.000 --> 00:28:00.420
Oh, that one line, the beast in his armies shall rise from the pit

568
00:28:00.420 --> 00:28:02.099
to wage war against God.

569
00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:03.119
That's potent.

570
00:28:03.180 --> 00:28:05.880
So that's an ood talking to Billy. yeah.

571
00:28:05.940 --> 00:28:06.180
Yes.

572
00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:06.900
Yes, yes.

573
00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:08.400
So rise from the pit to make war.

574
00:28:08.460 --> 00:28:10.200
Sounds like a Sonya lyric.

575
00:28:11.099 --> 00:28:12.960
Oh, Lord.

576
00:28:13.019 --> 00:28:15.900
Yeah, it's interesting, but it's interesting how that everybody

577
00:28:15.900 --> 00:28:19.980
just dismisses all these little glitches in the dialogue.

578
00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:22.740
But of course, then, of course, Rose gets the phone call and

579
00:28:22.740 --> 00:28:25.319
flings her phone across the...

580
00:28:25.619 --> 00:28:27.960
Yeah, well, she's already she's already had the ood, say something

581
00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:30.059
really odd to her as well.

582
00:28:30.539 --> 00:28:34.799
And I also think what's really effective about the way that Toby's

583
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:40.380
possession works is that business, about the writing disappearing

584
00:28:40.380 --> 00:28:42.900
from the shards of pottery and then appearing on his hands.

585
00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:47.519
And it's a wonderful surprise because he behaves like he's seen

586
00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:51.420
Doctor Who before and he takes his latex gloves off and looks at

587
00:28:51.420 --> 00:28:53.640
the back of his hands and kind of is a little bit relieved.

588
00:28:53.700 --> 00:28:55.740
Oh, okay, so it hasn't gone onto my hands.

589
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:58.380
And then he turns his hands around and they're all on the palms of

590
00:28:58.380 --> 00:28:58.799
his hands.

591
00:28:58.859 --> 00:29:01.559
And then eventually on his face, and it's super effective.

592
00:29:01.619 --> 00:29:02.519
It looks amazing.

593
00:29:02.579 --> 00:29:04.619
We were talking about Planet Evil before.

594
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:06.720
It's actually very Professor Sorensen, isn't it?

595
00:29:06.779 --> 00:29:08.279
Yeah, yeah, it really is.

596
00:29:08.339 --> 00:29:09.000
Yeah.

597
00:29:15.059 --> 00:29:18.900
So the other person who gets a really kind of terrifying scene, and

598
00:29:18.900 --> 00:29:21.660
who does appear to be properly freaked out by the things that the

599
00:29:21.660 --> 00:29:26.220
computer and the doors are saying, is Scooty, who we've had very

600
00:29:26.220 --> 00:29:27.359
little time to get to know.

601
00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:32.160
She's had very few lines by this point, but she's pretty and young

602
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:34.440
and kind of super likeable.

603
00:29:34.500 --> 00:29:37.980
She's the intern, so we know that she's sort of inexperienced and

604
00:29:37.980 --> 00:29:38.160
stuff.

605
00:29:38.220 --> 00:29:40.619
She's cheerful in a way that a lot of the others aren't.

606
00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:43.200
Yeah, yeah, she's she does seem super nice.

607
00:29:43.259 --> 00:29:47.519
And there is that scene where she starts to freak out.

608
00:29:47.579 --> 00:29:54.180
And that moment where she's looking out and sees Toby outside and

609
00:29:54.180 --> 00:29:57.299
the glass starts to break.

610
00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:00.720
The way he's beckoning her out and she's almost on the influence.

611
00:30:00.779 --> 00:30:04.019
I mean, we've seen dozens of people do that performance in Doctor

612
00:30:04.019 --> 00:30:04.740
Who before.

613
00:30:04.859 --> 00:30:07.500
I don't think anyone's done it better, the way that she's

614
00:30:07.500 --> 00:30:11.519
stretching out her arm and she's fixed on him, but she sort of

615
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:15.059
casts a little look to her arm as if to go, what am I doing?

616
00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:16.440
And that's when the spell breaks.

617
00:30:16.500 --> 00:30:17.579
It's a great performance.

618
00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:18.299
She really sells it.

619
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:21.180
I think Toby's really frightening in that scene as well.

620
00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:22.319
We don't see him smile.

621
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:24.660
He doesn't smile in that scene?

622
00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:25.380
He does.

623
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:28.799
We don't see him smile before or after that, but that smile is

624
00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:29.400
frightening.

625
00:30:29.460 --> 00:30:32.880
It's freaky And when it goes wrong, the smile melts off his face

626
00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:33.779
immediately.

627
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:35.579
It's yeah, it's really creepy.

628
00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:40.740
But yes, her performance is fantastic in that moment and then

629
00:30:40.740 --> 00:30:41.700
trying to get out of there.

630
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:45.480
And then, of course, she's the 1st character killed off.

631
00:30:45.539 --> 00:30:50.700
And, you know, we get to see that her floating away, which is

632
00:30:50.700 --> 00:30:53.039
really quite heartbreaking, really.

633
00:30:53.099 --> 00:30:56.880
And you know as viewers, what's to come, you know, not everybody's

634
00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:57.359
going to survive.

635
00:30:57.420 --> 00:30:58.920
This is not going to be great.

636
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:01.019
And, of course, David Tennant gets to go.

637
00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:02.460
I'm sorry, I'm so sorry.

638
00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:05.099
I like his delivery of that line though.

639
00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:08.339
He really means it there and he's not overdoing it.

640
00:31:08.460 --> 00:31:13.740
And the thing is that in these bases under siege full of white

641
00:31:13.740 --> 00:31:17.460
people with last names, people die all the time and no one really

642
00:31:17.460 --> 00:31:19.259
has much time to care about it.

643
00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:22.140
It's just a thing that happens to up the stakes in classic Doctor

644
00:31:22.140 --> 00:31:22.559
Who.

645
00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:25.500
But here, everyone's looking for her.

646
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:29.279
We can't find her, you know, we found her shoes in habitation.

647
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:30.539
Yeah, yeah, we go there.

648
00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:33.180
She's not to be found, and then the doctor sees her.

649
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:38.819
And that scene that we mentioned before, where the scarlet system

650
00:31:38.819 --> 00:31:44.759
has died and is being pulled into the black hole, just prefigures

651
00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:46.019
what happens to Scooty.

652
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:51.299
We've seen a whole civilisation be, you know, drawn into the black

653
00:31:51.299 --> 00:31:54.660
holes, gravitational field, and destroyed, and now we see it

654
00:31:54.660 --> 00:31:56.579
happening to this character that we really like.

655
00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:00.119
And when Ida says she was 20.

656
00:32:00.420 --> 00:32:01.500
She was 20 years old.

657
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:06.539
It's so touching, like having proper reactions from characters who

658
00:32:06.539 --> 00:32:09.839
we can believe in to a death like this sells it so well.

659
00:32:09.900 --> 00:32:15.480
Some of the dialogue in this story is a little bit, what's the

660
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:15.660
word?

661
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:19.259
It's a little bit up on naturalistic dialogue.

662
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:23.099
And so when I was talking about the scarlet system, she says

663
00:32:23.099 --> 00:32:26.339
ladies and gentlemen, we have witnessed its passing, which I do

664
00:32:26.339 --> 00:32:28.740
believe is something that I would say, but because the story is

665
00:32:28.740 --> 00:32:30.539
big and it has big stakes.

666
00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:35.640
It lends itself to this slightly amped up dialogue, and it's

667
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:36.779
beautiful in a lot of cases.

668
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:39.839
The moment, in fact, when the doctor says, can you leave the roof

669
00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:42.779
open, this before scooty dies, can you leave the roof open?

670
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:44.099
I promise I won't go mad.

671
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:46.140
And Ida just says to him, how would you know?

672
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:51.480
I love that In fact, I love the fact that when Scooty's floating

673
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:53.640
off, they close the roof.

674
00:32:53.819 --> 00:32:55.079
That's when they close the roof.

675
00:32:55.140 --> 00:32:58.140
I mean, it's because she left the roof open so the doctor could

676
00:32:58.140 --> 00:33:02.220
look at the scarlet system that the doctor sees her body floating

677
00:33:02.220 --> 00:33:06.660
off into space, but they close it because they can't bear to watch

678
00:33:06.660 --> 00:33:07.319
it anymore.

679
00:33:07.380 --> 00:33:09.180
It's really well done.

680
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:12.960
I think the confidential has the actor in a swimming pool.

681
00:33:13.019 --> 00:33:15.180
Yeah, yeah, which is a good way out of it.

682
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:18.900
And as you were saying earlier, told beautiful music in that

683
00:33:18.900 --> 00:33:19.859
secret, it's just amazing.

684
00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:40.019
So, my Anna Buring, who plays Scooty, is for fact fans, FYI, as

685
00:33:40.019 --> 00:33:45.420
they said in the olden days, actually dated Rory Jennings, Tommy

686
00:33:45.420 --> 00:33:48.240
from the Idiot's Lantern, for quite a while.

687
00:33:48.299 --> 00:33:49.319
So there we go.

688
00:33:49.380 --> 00:33:51.299
Something about people meeting on Doc 2.

689
00:33:51.779 --> 00:33:53.579
So we've heard.

690
00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:59.220
So yeah, they would have been very cute little pixie people.

691
00:34:00.299 --> 00:34:04.740
One of the things that I picked up in this episode, which I didn't

692
00:34:04.740 --> 00:34:08.400
pick up originally, was there's a piece of dialogue that says the

693
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:11.340
Tartis has fallen to the heart of the planet and the drills are

694
00:34:11.340 --> 00:34:12.000
heading the same way.

695
00:34:12.059 --> 00:34:16.980
It's a plot point for next week, but it's just something that the

696
00:34:16.980 --> 00:34:19.139
1st time around when all of the Tartars fell away.

697
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:21.780
I just kind of went, oh, you know, it's only fallen like, you know

698
00:34:21.780 --> 00:34:26.099
500 metres or whatever, but it seems to have fallen a long, long

699
00:34:26.099 --> 00:34:26.940
way, you know?

700
00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:29.880
And that chasm is obviously very, very big.

701
00:34:29.940 --> 00:34:31.679
Yeah, 10 miles deep.

702
00:34:31.739 --> 00:34:32.219
That's right.

703
00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:36.119
We'll talk about this next week, but there's the usual accusation

704
00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:40.380
that Russell's stories don't set their resolution up properly and

705
00:34:40.380 --> 00:34:44.219
people say, oh, it's a deusex marketer or whatever, but this is at

706
00:34:44.219 --> 00:34:45.659
least kind of set up.

707
00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:49.920
You know, it falls down to the centre of the planet or deep within

708
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:53.099
the planet and there's a drill heading deep within the planet.

709
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:56.340
We'll talk more about that resolution, I think, next week though.

710
00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:59.460
What I do like is that it gives rise to that conversation in

711
00:34:59.460 --> 00:35:02.340
habitation area 3 between the doctor and Rose.

712
00:35:02.460 --> 00:35:08.699
The one about him having to buy a house and was it get a mortgage

713
00:35:08.699 --> 00:35:09.059
or something like that?

714
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:10.440
Yeah, yeah, carpets.

715
00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:16.619
What I kind of like about it is we have already talked about how

716
00:35:16.619 --> 00:35:20.820
the doctor and rose are a little bit too comfortable with one

717
00:35:20.820 --> 00:35:24.119
another, but they're not that comfortable here.

718
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:26.760
No, they come.

719
00:35:26.820 --> 00:35:29.460
I think the doctor's comfortable as friends, but beyond that, who

720
00:35:29.460 --> 00:35:29.820
knows?

721
00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:33.300
And I think I'm in 2 minds about this thing because I think it's a

722
00:35:33.300 --> 00:35:36.719
very well written scene, and I think the performances are, you

723
00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:39.900
know, just off enough with each other that it really sells it.

724
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:45.239
I think we're meant to be quite invested in the fact that the Dr

725
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:48.480
and Rose might be in love with each other as a fan.

726
00:35:48.539 --> 00:35:51.900
I'm not particularly, but I think because the series had very wide

727
00:35:51.900 --> 00:35:56.940
and broad mainstream appeal at this point, I think maybe the wider

728
00:35:56.940 --> 00:36:00.420
audience who weren't necessarily Doctor Who afficionados were

729
00:36:00.420 --> 00:36:02.099
invested in the Doctor and Rose.

730
00:36:02.219 --> 00:36:03.179
So this was quite important for them.

731
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:06.179
Yeah, as a love story for this season.

732
00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:09.900
I find it really interesting watching this series back, which I

733
00:36:09.900 --> 00:36:14.340
will say that I've liked this series a lot more than what I

734
00:36:14.340 --> 00:36:16.260
originally thought about it.

735
00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:19.679
But I do find from episode episode one moment, they seem to be in

736
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:23.039
love, and the next, their chums, depending on who's written it and

737
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:24.300
where it is placed in the season.

738
00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:26.219
I do feel that at times.

739
00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:29.460
I don't necessarily know if I get that feeling here.

740
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:33.059
I guess I look at the dialogue, you know, talking about, you know

741
00:36:33.059 --> 00:36:36.360
my home planet's gone, the TARDIS has grown, and then, you know

742
00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:38.340
the promises you made to Jackie to get Rose back.

743
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:41.579
I'm kind of listening to all the dialogue as opposed to a love

744
00:36:41.579 --> 00:36:45.960
story, but I can totally get it, that people would see this as a

745
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:46.739
love story at this point.

746
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:51.000
But I just think that the relationship clearly sort of falters at

747
00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:51.300
some point.

748
00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:54.719
It only goes so far and both of them end up sort of slightly

749
00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:55.320
embarrassed.

750
00:36:55.739 --> 00:36:58.079
Rose has pushed the doctor a little bit too far.

751
00:36:58.139 --> 00:37:01.920
She's tentative about saying it might be nice to get a mortgage

752
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:04.079
together because she doesn't know how he'll react.

753
00:37:04.139 --> 00:37:08.159
And his reaction is to kind of try and pretend he hasn't heard it

754
00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:11.280
and to get all embarrassed and then she immediately gets

755
00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:13.199
embarrassed about having made the suggestion.

756
00:37:13.260 --> 00:37:14.280
Yeah, yeah.

757
00:37:14.340 --> 00:37:15.900
So thank God for the phone call.

758
00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:17.460
That's right.

759
00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:18.300
That's it.

760
00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:21.780
Thank goodness the beast knew when to when to place that call.

761
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:24.179
Thank goodness, I was a waging war against God.

762
00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:27.480
I think also told what you were saying about, you know, sometimes

763
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:29.760
it feels like a romance and sometimes it doesn't.

764
00:37:29.820 --> 00:37:31.500
It depends whose point of view it's coming from.

765
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:33.420
If you get rose pushing the scene.

766
00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:35.639
It's very definitely that romantic feel.

767
00:37:35.699 --> 00:37:36.780
If you get the doctor pushing it.

768
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:39.239
It's a friendship and you get that all through the season.

769
00:37:39.300 --> 00:37:41.219
It's actually quite a nice arc for them.

770
00:37:41.280 --> 00:37:45.719
I think that we said earlier that the girl in the fireplace is a

771
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:46.739
sort of weird exception to it.

772
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:48.900
It's sort of untouched by Russell.

773
00:37:48.900 --> 00:37:53.639
And so it is very much, you know, Rose is paired up with Mickey

774
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:55.739
while the doctor goes off and has a girlfriend.

775
00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:58.800
It's kind of like, well, he already had a girlfriend sort of

776
00:37:58.800 --> 00:37:59.219
didn't he?

777
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:03.480
So, but certainly the relationship is sort of amazingly close.

778
00:38:03.780 --> 00:38:05.219
Yes.

779
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:08.820
And it's always good to separate close friendships.

780
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:13.800
So we've got the doctor going down with Ida. and Rose staying up

781
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:17.579
above with the rest of the crew as things begin to happen with the

782
00:38:17.579 --> 00:38:18.119
oud.

783
00:38:18.179 --> 00:38:19.800
I want to talk a bit more about the oud.

784
00:38:19.860 --> 00:38:23.460
Yeah, I love the fact that they really are trying to world build

785
00:38:23.460 --> 00:38:28.559
them as, you know, potential, like they are essentially slaves, but

786
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:31.380
they talk about friends of the Oud, and, you know, Danny's got a

787
00:38:31.380 --> 00:38:34.739
lot to say about their telepathic fields and how he sort of treats

788
00:38:34.739 --> 00:38:34.980
them.

789
00:38:35.099 --> 00:38:38.400
I really like his character and the way he's sort of performed

790
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:42.360
throughout all of that sort of techno babble to do with, you know

791
00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:44.099
what they should be feeling or not.

792
00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:45.539
Yeah, yeah, basic five, basic 10.

793
00:38:46.500 --> 00:38:47.280
He's really likeable.

794
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:49.079
Except, though.

795
00:38:49.139 --> 00:38:53.760
Like, I remember originally being a bit worried by the oud, and

796
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:57.480
given that Rose is worried by them having slaves as well, I think

797
00:38:57.480 --> 00:39:00.420
we're meant to be worried by that, you know, human beings

798
00:39:00.420 --> 00:39:02.460
shouldn't have slaves.

799
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:06.599
And the friend of the Ud line, which actually comes from Scooty.

800
00:39:06.659 --> 00:39:07.139
It does.

801
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:09.840
It's a great conversation between Danny and Scooty. been set up to

802
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:12.239
be the most likeable people and they're like, oh, they're just a

803
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:12.659
slave race.

804
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:15.960
And I do love friends of the Oude, because it's such a pertuy era

805
00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:17.880
kind of thing, isn't it?

806
00:39:17.940 --> 00:39:20.760
Like friends of the earth, you know, like those terrible people in

807
00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:22.019
colony in space or whatever.

808
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:24.780
Isn't they friends of Delta Magna or something like that as well?

809
00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:26.039
they may well be.

810
00:39:26.099 --> 00:39:27.960
You're quite right.

811
00:39:28.019 --> 00:39:32.400
So that's what we always call kind of, you know, leftist pressure

812
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:34.199
groups in the Doctor Who universe.

813
00:39:34.260 --> 00:39:35.460
They're always friends of something.

814
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:40.920
But I think the thing is that we are made more uncomfortable by

815
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:44.699
Danny because Danny is actually really super horrible in the way

816
00:39:44.699 --> 00:39:46.079
that he talks about the oud.

817
00:39:46.139 --> 00:39:51.480
So he says they're so stupid. you know, he's really dismissive and

818
00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:53.159
unpleasant about them.

819
00:39:53.219 --> 00:39:57.780
And so it's really kind of off-putting to have a likeable

820
00:39:57.780 --> 00:40:01.320
character be so openly racist, I think.

821
00:40:01.380 --> 00:40:02.400
Absolutely.

822
00:40:02.460 --> 00:40:04.320
And he's ethics committee.

823
00:40:04.380 --> 00:40:06.239
Yeah, yeah. ethics committee.

824
00:40:06.300 --> 00:40:07.320
I think that's super funny.

825
00:40:07.380 --> 00:40:08.400
That's super clever.

826
00:40:08.460 --> 00:40:12.300
So the ethics committee, they're about how do we treat our slaves

827
00:40:12.300 --> 00:40:12.960
you know?

828
00:40:13.019 --> 00:40:15.539
But also, he's the ethics committee.

829
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:16.199
Is he a committee?

830
00:40:16.260 --> 00:40:17.760
Yeah, he's the only commit. that's it.

831
00:40:17.820 --> 00:40:18.420
He is the only member.

832
00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:23.159
Yeah, I mean, more of that next week, I think, because I think

833
00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:27.719
that something very deliberate is happening here and that this

834
00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:33.239
story fails properly to address it, and it makes Planet Viewed in

835
00:40:33.239 --> 00:40:35.159
series 4 absolutely necessary.

836
00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:37.079
This story fails at nothing.

837
00:40:37.139 --> 00:40:37.980
Yeah, maybe.

838
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:49.019
There are 2 other characters on this base.

839
00:40:49.079 --> 00:40:51.059
There is the 2 security guards?

840
00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:52.500
Yeah, they're the red shirts.

841
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:54.539
The female and the male one.

842
00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:56.219
They're not dead yet, are they?

843
00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:57.119
We're an episode one.

844
00:40:57.179 --> 00:41:00.119
No, I just need to say that the guard with the mullet.

845
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:02.519
He has a package on him.

846
00:41:02.579 --> 00:41:03.179
Really?

847
00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:03.900
I haven't noticed.

848
00:41:03.960 --> 00:41:04.739
I'm just going to say that.

849
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:06.360
I'm just going to say it, you know, there you go.

850
00:41:06.420 --> 00:41:08.219
It was brought flat packed from a...

851
00:41:08.219 --> 00:41:11.519
I think he looks like Bellboy's distant descendant.

852
00:41:11.579 --> 00:41:15.360
Yeah, yeah No, there was just a shot of him standing there like

853
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:17.039
you know, well, and I just noticed it.

854
00:41:17.099 --> 00:41:18.179
Thanks, people.

855
00:41:18.179 --> 00:41:19.800
This is why our listeners tune in.

856
00:41:19.860 --> 00:41:23.400
Can I give a shout out to those 2 actually, those 2 red shirts?

857
00:41:23.460 --> 00:41:28.019
Because Guy Redshirt, who gets done by nude while Danny stands by

858
00:41:28.019 --> 00:41:31.019
looking gormlessly, and then later girl redshirt.

859
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:32.699
Also, Dumbai Nude.

860
00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:34.440
Well, Denny stands by looking formlessly.

861
00:41:34.500 --> 00:41:36.539
They're both really good.

862
00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:39.960
They don't have a single line, so they're background artists and

863
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:41.820
they're both acting their socks off in every scene.

864
00:41:41.880 --> 00:41:44.039
It's a funny decision. isn't it?

865
00:41:44.099 --> 00:41:47.099
Because we do get to know everyone really very well and it does

866
00:41:47.099 --> 00:41:52.019
seem like it's just our main characters and those 2 on the base.

867
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:52.860
There's no one else.

868
00:41:53.099 --> 00:41:57.420
I'd say even Mr. Jefferson, like for a lot of this, is in the

869
00:41:57.420 --> 00:42:00.420
background in this episode, is not quite to the forefront.

870
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:03.119
Certainly towards the end of the episode more so.

871
00:42:03.179 --> 00:42:04.679
He's very good too.

872
00:42:04.739 --> 00:42:07.260
And he's really good, especially in, well, next week.

873
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:10.199
Yeah, it's interesting that they are the other 2 characters, but

874
00:42:10.199 --> 00:42:12.239
they are characters, you know?

875
00:42:12.300 --> 00:42:14.880
Like they come across, like what you're saying, the performances

876
00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:18.719
are good enough that you, you know, they're done for, but you know

877
00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:19.320
that they're there.

878
00:42:19.380 --> 00:42:22.320
It's not like, you know, other stories where it's like, well

879
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:22.860
whoever's just died.

880
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:27.719
Well, in fact, they kind of are the people who just die and no one

881
00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:30.480
really cares and they won't ever be mentioned again.

882
00:42:30.539 --> 00:42:32.039
But you know, you actually do care.

883
00:42:32.099 --> 00:42:36.539
I mean, I think when Girl Red Shirt dies, maybe not in this

884
00:42:36.539 --> 00:42:39.539
episode, maybe it's the start of the next, is actually quite a sad

885
00:42:39.539 --> 00:42:42.000
horrible moment because she's been quite nice up to that point.

886
00:42:42.059 --> 00:42:43.380
You think, no, she just opens the door.

887
00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:44.579
There's a nude ready to ball up.

888
00:42:48.420 --> 00:42:53.940
So we have our 2nd cliffhanger of the season. at the end of this

889
00:42:53.940 --> 00:42:57.599
episode and it's another one of those kind of throw everything at

890
00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:01.380
the screen cliffhangers where a whole bunch of people are all in

891
00:43:01.380 --> 00:43:05.400
slightly different danger in different places and everything sort

892
00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:09.420
of ramps up to this sort of massive, giant, scary finale.

893
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:10.619
What do you think?

894
00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:12.960
It's an amazing cliffhanger.

895
00:43:13.019 --> 00:43:14.340
I think it might be the best build.

896
00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:17.099
I mean, certainly of all of the Russell 2 parties.

897
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:20.940
Well, yes, because we've got the doctor and I are opening the, I

898
00:43:20.940 --> 00:43:22.019
call it the pit, right?

899
00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:23.219
Yeah, they call it the pit.

900
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:26.639
And that camera angle is amazing.

901
00:43:26.699 --> 00:43:28.139
So coming up on them at the end.

902
00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:28.980
Yeah, yeah.

903
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:32.219
So something is in the pit, kind of, and it looks like it's coming

904
00:43:32.219 --> 00:43:33.599
up to get them.

905
00:43:33.659 --> 00:43:37.679
And then at the same time, we've got sort of ood attacking

906
00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:37.920
people.

907
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:39.780
Where the Legion of the Beast, isn't it?

908
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:42.780
Yeah, and Toby's taken over again.

909
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:43.199
Is that right?

910
00:43:43.260 --> 00:43:47.219
He, I think the influence has just left him and gone into the

911
00:43:47.219 --> 00:43:47.579
Oude.

912
00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:48.659
Yeah, that's right.

913
00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:49.380
Yeah, yeah.

914
00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:51.179
Yeah, no, they're all in deadly danger.

915
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:56.039
Yeah, it's funny that in fact, the final shot of the Cliffhanger

916
00:43:56.039 --> 00:43:59.340
isn't the we're all in deadly danger thread.

917
00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:03.059
It is the what on earth is going to happen next, thread.

918
00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:04.860
And I think there's enough pace.

919
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:07.440
The music is absolutely kind of selling it.

920
00:44:07.500 --> 00:44:11.820
But it's always been my favourite sort of cliffhanger where it's

921
00:44:11.820 --> 00:44:14.820
not how are they going to get out of this because we all know

922
00:44:14.820 --> 00:44:18.239
they're going to get out of this, but what on earth is going to

923
00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:18.900
happen next?

924
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:21.179
What is there in that pier?

925
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:24.480
And the villain actually cackles evilly as the end credits come

926
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:24.659
in.

927
00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:25.320
It's great.

928
00:44:25.380 --> 00:44:27.000
I talk about traditional who?

929
00:44:27.300 --> 00:44:30.360
Hasn't the male security card just been killed too?

930
00:44:30.420 --> 00:44:31.619
Doesn't he die at the end of this?

931
00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:36.659
He, yeah, he dies when, um, when they're in the new habitat and

932
00:44:36.659 --> 00:44:38.099
then Danny runs away and joins the others.

933
00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:39.659
Yeah, that is now, isn't it?

934
00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:40.860
It doesn't make it to me.

935
00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:43.380
Because my notes just take massive extra dead.

936
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:45.239
Make of that what you will.

937
00:45:15.300 --> 00:45:16.320
Well done, sir.

938
00:45:16.380 --> 00:45:18.599
It looks like we're going to be spending the next week or so

939
00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:21.239
staring fruitlessly over the edge of this giant hole in the

940
00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:21.539
ground.

941
00:45:21.539 --> 00:45:26.460
Join us next week to find out what emerges from the Satan Pit.

942
00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:27.539
Spoiler alert, nothing.

943
00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:31.260
In the meantime, you can find us at FlightthroughEntirety.com

944
00:45:31.260 --> 00:45:34.619
flight through entirety on Facebook and Apple Podcasts, and at FTE

945
00:45:34.619 --> 00:45:35.639
podcast on Twitter.

946
00:45:35.699 --> 00:45:39.780
You can also find us on our other podcasts, our series 11

947
00:45:39.780 --> 00:45:43.559
flashcast Jody and Tara, and our James Bond and James Bond

948
00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:46.139
adjacent commentary podcast, Bondfinger.

949
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:50.340
They're at Jodyinterterra.com and bondfinger.com respectively, as

950
00:45:50.340 --> 00:45:53.400
well as on Twitter, Facebook, and Apple Podcasts.

951
00:45:53.460 --> 00:45:57.480
Until next time, the Beast in his Army shall rise from the pit to

952
00:45:57.480 --> 00:45:58.679
make war against God.

953
00:45:58.739 --> 00:46:02.099
So you'll probably want to wear some kind of hat or flak jacket

954
00:46:02.099 --> 00:46:03.059
when you next go to church.

955
00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:05.639
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

956
00:46:05.699 --> 00:46:06.719
Good night.

957
00:46:06.780 --> 00:46:07.920
He is awake.

958
00:46:07.980 --> 00:46:09.780
Promise I won't go mad.

959
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:11.159
See you soon.

960
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:17.699
That was Flight for Entirety, starring Todd Bilby, Nathan Audley

961
00:46:17.699 --> 00:46:20.699
and Peter Griffiths, theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, strings

962
00:46:20.699 --> 00:46:22.079
performance by Jane Orberg.

963
00:46:22.139 --> 00:46:25.860
This episode, a very long tone meeting, was recorded on the 23rd

964
00:46:25.860 --> 00:46:28.800
of February 2019, and released on the 5th of May.

965
00:46:32.820 --> 00:46:36.360
This is the 2nd time in the series we've done this, but if anyone

966
00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:39.960
knows this episode's uncredited Mail Guard, please ask him to get

967
00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:43.920
in touch with Todd Bealby, Care of Sanctuary Bay 6, the Planet

968
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:46.139
Crop Tour in the Stellion Galaxy.

969
00:46:46.619 --> 00:46:48.900
I think we could end that there.

970
00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:49.559
What do you think?

971
00:46:50.099 --> 00:46:53.880
With another giant dick joke from Cod, as usual.

972
00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:57.360
I must be channelling somebody else from this podcast.

973
00:46:57.420 --> 00:47:00.300
You've got super relaxed over the past 4 years.

974
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:03.840
Oh, yeah, back when you were back when you were talking about how

975
00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:05.219
that monoptera was so sexy.

976
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:06.960
I wasn't around for that.

977
00:47:07.019 --> 00:47:08.699
I don't know what you're talking about Oh sorry.

978
00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:09.539
What was your 1st story?

979
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:11.219
Terror of the Autons.

980
00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:12.179
Terror of the autumn.

981
00:47:13.019 --> 00:47:13.800
Ter of the Autom.

982
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:15.960
Hitting on Mr. Farrell, senior, were you?

983
00:47:16.260 --> 00:47:18.599
No, I prefer the doll.

984
00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:22.920
Mr. Watt's his name. with the Northern accent.

985
00:47:22.980 --> 00:47:25.500
All right, Mr. Fu Pang.

986
00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:27.360
Mr. Fu Pang.

987
00:47:28.260 --> 00:47:30.480
The American delegate.

988
00:47:30.780 --> 00:47:32.820
Mr. Foolpang.

989
00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:35.280
Mr. Fu Pang, you're a Chinese dragon.

990
00:47:35.340 --> 00:47:35.639
What?

991
00:47:35.699 --> 00:47:37.559
Mr. Fu Pang?

992
00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:42.480
He's like a stuffed vinyl Chinese dragon though, isn't he?

993
00:47:42.539 --> 00:47:45.239
Yeah, he's staying to get one proper shot of him, and that's after

994
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:48.840
Mishra Fulpang, has been dispatched.

995
00:47:48.900 --> 00:47:51.119
All right, I've got a long speech.

996
00:47:51.179 --> 00:47:52.980
Just a frrill pang?

997
00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:53.760
I might fall asleep.

998
00:47:53.820 --> 00:47:54.539
Here goes.

999
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:55.079
All right.

1000
00:47:55.139 --> 00:47:59.639
Just pretend I'm Peter Capoldi at the end of twice upon a time.

1001
00:47:59.699 --> 00:48:01.199
That's fine, I'm fine with that.

1002
00:48:01.260 --> 00:48:03.900
I'm going to give a long speech and throw myself around the room.

1003
00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:05.519
I can't be here until next year.

1004
00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:10.079
I'll pretend that you're Jodie Whitaker at any point of

1005
00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:10.619
execution.

1006
00:48:10.739 --> 00:48:11.760
She never gets along.

1007
00:48:11.820 --> 00:48:12.360
Oh, she does too.

1008
00:48:12.420 --> 00:48:14.099
Let me explain what the solar tract is.

1009
00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:16.440
Because you care.

1010
00:48:18.059 --> 00:48:21.342
Well, dear listener, it looks like we're going to be spending...