WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 14:17:25 1 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:45.359 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast that suspended in perpetual geostationary orbit around a black hole without falling in. 2 00:00:45.420 --> 00:00:47.039 The weather's quite nice though. 3 00:00:47.100 --> 00:00:48.179 I'm Nathan. 4 00:00:48.240 --> 00:00:50.399 I'm Todd, and I'm Peter. 5 00:00:50.460 --> 00:00:50.820 Hello. 6 00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:59.460 We're somewhere in a distant galaxy, many light earths, many light years from earth, and a long buried ancient evil is rising from the depths. 7 00:00:59.520 --> 00:01:04.680 So you keep a lookout for Philip Hinchcliffe while we discuss the impossible planet. 8 00:01:19.739 --> 00:01:30.780 So, Peter, I understand that this episode's written by a friend of yours, and therefore we can pretty much safely discount anything nice you say about it. 9 00:01:30.840 --> 00:01:31.319 Is that right? 10 00:01:31.379 --> 00:01:33.239 Well, that's pretty much the situation all the time. 11 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:35.519 Yes, full disclosure. 12 00:01:35.579 --> 00:01:42.900 This is written by a good friend of mine, Matt Jones, which makes the fact that it's so good, and even greater pleasure because it means I don't have to fake anything. 13 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:45.060 I can just like wax lyrical. 14 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:53.040 I gather it this time, like during Russell's tenure, he does a passover pretty much everyone's script, is that right? 15 00:01:53.099 --> 00:01:56.040 As far as I know, yes, I don't think. 16 00:01:56.099 --> 00:02:07.560 Well, Stephen Moffat script, I think there was an agreement between him and Russell that they wouldn't edit sort of each other's material, but I think every other writer, Russell would always have a pass on. 17 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:11.939 I think, um, is it James Moran, who wrote Pfizer Pompeii? 18 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:23.879 Yeah, I've heard him on Twitter talk about how great that experience was and how Russell is able to really kind of give the dialogue a really sort of sparky, rustly kind of feel to it. 19 00:02:23.939 --> 00:02:26.400 Yeah, kind of a sprinkle of gold dust over the top. 20 00:02:26.460 --> 00:02:30.539 And you can tell because the era feels so homogeneous. 21 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:32.939 It all feels like it's part of a greater hole. 22 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:34.860 And I think that's Russell's influence. 23 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:37.919 Everything's sufficiently the same but different. 24 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:41.340 So this is our big 2 parter. 25 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:51.479 Last year it was written by Stephen Moffat, obviously the empty child and the doctor dancers, but this is a sort of big tent pole event episode, isn't it? 26 00:02:51.539 --> 00:02:53.099 Yes, it is. 27 00:02:53.159 --> 00:03:01.740 And it's the 1st time that we're not on Earth, New Earth, Parallel Earth, space station around Earth, we are far, far away. 28 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:08.219 Like it's actually the 1st time in the series, that we are that distant removed from a safe sort of environment. 29 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:09.659 That's interesting, isn't it? 30 00:03:09.719 --> 00:03:16.139 There was a very definite attempt, I think, not to alienate the audience in series one by going to Planet Zog. 31 00:03:16.199 --> 00:03:18.479 And, of course, for budgetary reasons. 32 00:03:18.539 --> 00:03:22.680 They didn't want to do a sort of crappy job of their sort of 1st new planet. 33 00:03:22.740 --> 00:03:30.180 And I guess if you don't count New Earth, the 1st time we actually ever use a location to represent an alien planet is here. 34 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:35.039 We get a quarry, our very 1st Doctor Who, 21st century quarry. 35 00:03:35.099 --> 00:03:36.719 And what a magical use of a quarry. 36 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:37.979 I mean it looks superb. 37 00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:38.879 Yeah. 38 00:03:38.939 --> 00:03:45.000 And what Todd was saying there as well, about sort of being far removed when they do go into spacing is our 1st alien world. 39 00:03:45.060 --> 00:03:47.340 There's a sense that you're very far away. 40 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:50.819 You know, this is the edge of the universe, edge of a black hole. 41 00:03:50.879 --> 00:03:54.479 It's a small group of people, help is a long, long way away. 42 00:03:54.539 --> 00:03:58.620 And that feels like those Hinchcliffe stories like Planet of Evil. 43 00:03:58.680 --> 00:04:03.539 Yeah, it was very much Planet of Evil, but it does reinvent that whole genre. 44 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:14.580 And if you think about Planet of Evil, it's one of the many stories in the Hingecliff era where Liz Sladen is the only woman in the cast and where everyone else in the cast just has a single last name. 45 00:04:14.639 --> 00:04:25.019 So it's all kind of men with a single name and no sort of particular characteristics apart from Vashinski's chest hair. 46 00:04:25.079 --> 00:04:32.699 Whereas here I think they do a fantastic job of making these people real. 47 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:34.800 It's such a diverse cast. 48 00:04:34.920 --> 00:04:37.500 And yes, you're quite right. 49 00:04:37.560 --> 00:04:39.360 All of them have different characteristics. 50 00:04:40.079 --> 00:04:49.319 From Danny, the Captain, Zachary, Crossflane, Toby, Ida Scott, Scooty, Mr. Jefferson. 51 00:04:49.379 --> 00:04:57.360 So yes, it's a diverse cast, and we even got 2 extra security officers in there just so that they can be sacrificed to the right moment in time. 52 00:04:57.480 --> 00:05:07.800 But all those other people. you actually care about and get a feel for the characters and they're all sufficiently different and they've all got their parts to play with either Rose or the doctor and I really enjoy them all. 53 00:05:07.860 --> 00:05:15.480 And I think that's one of the big strengths of this script is having such a diverse cast and such a big cast, but you get to feel for them all. 54 00:05:15.540 --> 00:05:20.819 I don't think there's a cast that, well, a cast of characters, the actors are all great. 55 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:31.800 But the characters who are that big and that's sort of strong in the entire rustle era, every one of them feels like a well-rounded person, every one of them is played by a good actor. 56 00:05:31.860 --> 00:05:40.980 And it's one of the hallmarks of kind of the good writing that people have nicknames. and so scooties called Scooty, her name is actually Scutori, I think. 57 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:46.019 And, you know, this is a real world where people have nicknames and, you know, rib each other about things. 58 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:52.740 Well, the ribbing is what really struck me is that there's no real interpersonal conflict here. 59 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:57.180 We don't get drama from the fact that the characters hate or distrust one another. 60 00:05:57.180 --> 00:06:01.680 And they joke with one another and they kind of, you know, playfully punch one another on the arm. 61 00:06:01.740 --> 00:06:03.360 Everyone seems to get on. 62 00:06:03.420 --> 00:06:11.939 We'll talk a little bit later about what happens to Toby, but he immediately at one point in this episode just thinks that Danny is pranking him. 63 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:13.800 So that must be a thing that happens. 64 00:06:13.860 --> 00:06:15.360 It's so good. 65 00:06:15.420 --> 00:06:25.920 And that little bit is in the control centre where Danny and Scooty have a little bit of a back and forth and he bops her over the head with a what looks like one of those Australia Post tubes. 66 00:06:25.980 --> 00:06:30.540 Yeah, yeah, yeah. think that must have been what I was thinking of. really is very nice. 67 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:32.819 And they are all sort of young. 68 00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:37.500 They're dressed in normal clothes, like they're not dressed in sort of space outfits. 69 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:40.740 They're dressed like people might be dressed. 70 00:06:40.800 --> 00:06:43.319 I think, you know, Danny's wearing a hoodie. 71 00:06:43.379 --> 00:06:47.100 Toby's wearing an attractive tight t-shirt. 72 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:49.500 You know, it looks modern. 73 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:52.019 It looks 21st century and it's not alienating. 74 00:06:52.079 --> 00:06:54.959 We're not all wearing kind of spandex jumpsuits. 75 00:06:55.019 --> 00:06:59.339 And it's such a hard trick to pull off, having a cast of characters that work so well. 76 00:06:59.399 --> 00:07:04.139 You look at when the series tries to do it again in episodes like 42 or the Waters of Mars. 77 00:07:04.199 --> 00:07:12.420 And they're fine, but the characters are not nearly so well defined or work so well together, and it makes you realise what a trick it is that this episode pulls off. 78 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:20.220 Yeah, I think maybe Waters of Mars comes closer, but I certainly don't remember the sort of obvious camaraderie and things. 79 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:29.819 And I think, you know, for instance, Zachary Crossflane, who is extraordinarily good, like he's a great performance and he's given just enough of a backstory. 80 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:33.300 You know, he's had to step into the captain's role at the last minute. 81 00:07:33.420 --> 00:07:35.459 He's super unsure of himself. 82 00:07:35.459 --> 00:07:43.319 And you see Ida encouraging him as they're being introduced to the Doctor and Rose. 83 00:07:43.379 --> 00:07:45.300 And it's so nice. 84 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:49.379 You know, it's so good. that informs his performance all the way through. 85 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:52.620 Yes, I think Sean Parks is really, really good. 86 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:56.459 And certainly when he allows the doctor to give him a hug. 87 00:07:56.519 --> 00:08:00.480 It's a really interesting moment that I picked up in this time around. 88 00:08:00.540 --> 00:08:03.120 I thought, is he actually attracted to the doctor? 89 00:08:03.180 --> 00:08:04.500 Is there something there? 90 00:08:04.560 --> 00:08:06.779 I never really, I just thought, is that? 91 00:08:06.839 --> 00:08:09.300 Yeah, it was just an interesting moment and I thought it was really beautiful. 92 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:11.040 Do you know how I read it? 93 00:08:11.100 --> 00:08:24.180 It was one of those things where I had remembered it as a sort of slightly annoying tenety bit of business where he sort of overacts a bit and is super sort of 10th doctorary. 94 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:27.300 But he asks permission for the hug. 95 00:08:27.360 --> 00:08:30.480 They hug, and Zach actually likes it. 96 00:08:30.540 --> 00:08:32.519 You know, not because he's attracted. 97 00:08:32.580 --> 00:08:37.019 Yeah, not because he's attracted to the doctor, but because it's a nice gesture. 98 00:08:37.019 --> 00:08:40.799 And he probably needs a hug, you know. 99 00:08:40.860 --> 00:08:42.899 And it's so well played. 100 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:46.320 It's so nicely played by Parks. 101 00:08:46.379 --> 00:08:47.399 I think it's really, really good. 102 00:08:47.460 --> 00:08:57.840 It's a nice tenant bit, but the annoying tenant bit you might be thinking of comes just before when the doctor says, oh, I'm very good and you think doctors stopped being self-aggrandizing. 103 00:08:57.899 --> 00:09:00.840 It's one of it's one of the 10th doctor's least attractive traits. 104 00:09:00.899 --> 00:09:05.879 See, when Tom does it, I think he sort of alien enough. 105 00:09:05.940 --> 00:09:10.080 You know, Tom will do, and if I'm right, and I usually am, you know, that sort of thing. 106 00:09:10.139 --> 00:09:12.120 But I don't know. 107 00:09:12.179 --> 00:09:21.179 I'm beginning to think that the more David Tennant is playing at like David Tennant, the more attractive and likeable the doctor is. 108 00:09:21.240 --> 00:09:26.700 The moments when he sort of drops the act a bit and talks normally, and there are plenty of them here. 109 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:38.220 He's really, really good, but there is an artificiality and manneredness to his performance, and he's saddled with an accent, and I sometimes find him a little bit difficult to watch. 110 00:09:38.279 --> 00:09:40.620 I think he gets better as he goes along. 111 00:09:40.679 --> 00:09:42.240 Right. looking forward to that. 112 00:09:42.299 --> 00:09:45.539 I wondered whether that's what my experience would be. 113 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:46.440 Spoilers. 114 00:09:46.500 --> 00:09:46.980 Yeah. 115 00:09:47.100 --> 00:09:53.159 But one of the things I do like here is the relationship that is built between him and Ida. 116 00:09:53.220 --> 00:09:55.860 And I think Claire Rush booked as an excellent job. 117 00:09:55.919 --> 00:10:00.360 And, you know, we've seen it earlier in the season with the love interest with Madame Pompadour. 118 00:10:00.419 --> 00:10:01.919 But here it's not a love interesting. 119 00:10:01.980 --> 00:10:04.259 It's just more of a companion role. 120 00:10:04.320 --> 00:10:14.820 And I really like the 2 of them together and it's quite immediate. like their sort of intellectual sort of bases that they're forming their friendship on. 121 00:10:29.879 --> 00:10:35.220 You were saying that, um, one of the things is, like, this is the big two parter. 122 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:37.500 Like, and I do agree with that. 123 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:45.720 I tend to find in this era of Russell T. Davies is that I actually like the 2nd two-part as more than the 1st 2 parties in every season. 124 00:10:45.779 --> 00:10:46.559 It's not the same for you. 125 00:10:46.620 --> 00:10:51.960 I know probably Nathan, but I prefer this over the Rise of the Cyberman. 126 00:10:52.019 --> 00:10:58.200 I prefer the empty child 2 parter over, um, aliens of London. 127 00:10:58.259 --> 00:10:59.639 Sorry, I always forget the name of that. 128 00:10:59.700 --> 00:11:08.039 And even next year, I prefer the 2nd 2 parter over the Dalek one and in the 4th year, I prefer the library one over the Santarian one. 129 00:11:08.100 --> 00:11:15.899 I think I prefer the library one over the Santarian one, but I think that the 22 parters play a different role, don't they? 130 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:19.320 We get a big kind of event early in the season. 131 00:11:19.379 --> 00:11:20.940 But it's always said on earth. 132 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:27.659 It tends to have like a returning monster or a marquee monster, although the 1st one, obviously, doesn't. 133 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:38.399 And it tends to be a bit lighter in tone, whereas the 2nd two-parter tends to be a bit more sombre and a bit more serious, I think. 134 00:11:38.460 --> 00:11:44.159 And so, depending on what your taste in Doctor Who is. you're going to like one of those sort of more than the other. 135 00:11:44.220 --> 00:12:00.000 And you know, I think I remember reading an interview with Russell at some point where he pointed out the fact that you have, you know, a big rollicking adventure early on to keep everyone interested and they talked about the fact that the 2nd 2 parts tends to be darker, but he made a comment saying, anyone can be dark, dark's easy. 136 00:12:00.059 --> 00:12:01.500 And that really stuck with me. 137 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:05.100 I thought, yeah, it would be easy to make all doc 2 like that, but it's nice that it's not. 138 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:06.659 Yeah, yeah, I think I agree. 139 00:12:10.559 --> 00:12:15.779 So the Dr. and Rose arrive and they're immediately kind of annoying. 140 00:12:16.139 --> 00:12:18.240 Yes, they are annoying. 141 00:12:18.299 --> 00:12:27.600 There's something about that 1st scene where they come out of the TARDIS and have a joke about the fact that they're about to be in a Doctor Who adventure, which makes them very slappable. 142 00:12:27.659 --> 00:12:29.159 Yeah, that's right. 143 00:12:29.220 --> 00:12:32.700 Should we go or should we just get back in and go away? 144 00:12:32.759 --> 00:12:41.580 Yeah, and it's one of the few times, there's a few times in this episode where Billy does a forced laughter thing and that's not her usual performance style. 145 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:44.519 So, I mean, I have a theory about their performance in this story. 146 00:12:44.580 --> 00:12:45.480 Oh really? 147 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:46.740 When was this filmed? 148 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:47.879 It's last. 149 00:12:48.059 --> 00:12:49.500 So it's her last episode. 150 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:50.159 Correct. 151 00:12:50.220 --> 00:12:51.419 And do you think that maybe that's why? 152 00:12:51.480 --> 00:12:52.379 absolutely. 153 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:57.840 I think maybe there was a little bit of kind of holiday fever setting in, you know, last day of school kind of thing. 154 00:12:57.899 --> 00:13:04.980 But also, I think that David and Billy were so chummy in real life that that's seeping into the performances here. 155 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:07.980 Was tooth and claw also filmed quite late? 156 00:13:08.100 --> 00:13:09.779 No, early. 157 00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:10.440 Okay. 158 00:13:10.500 --> 00:13:13.980 No, because that's the other one where that sort of relationship is a bit grady. 159 00:13:14.039 --> 00:13:22.799 Well, I think it's an intentional thing, and I think that, you know, the relationship between David and Billy kind of seeps into something that is sort of intended to be there. 160 00:13:22.860 --> 00:13:26.879 I think we're supposed to feel a little bit uncomfortable with how smug they are. 161 00:13:26.940 --> 00:13:29.100 Yeah, and smug is the word for it. 162 00:13:29.159 --> 00:13:31.259 And I think it's there in the racing. 163 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:33.539 I think the performance amps it up a little bit. 164 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:38.100 If a lot of these scenes were played down a little bit more, then it would be fine. 165 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:42.659 But the performance is like they always say about doing comedy in Doctor Who. 166 00:13:42.720 --> 00:13:43.980 I think it was Douglas Adams. 167 00:13:44.039 --> 00:13:49.679 You know, the actors see a funny line and they bring a comedy interpretation to it, whereas no, the funny line should just stand. 168 00:13:49.740 --> 00:13:50.879 It feels like this. 169 00:13:50.940 --> 00:13:53.100 If some of it just stood by itself, it would be fine. 170 00:13:53.159 --> 00:13:56.159 But that chumminess and that smugness is being ramped up. 171 00:13:56.220 --> 00:13:58.500 The actors are kind of leaning into it a bit too. 172 00:13:58.620 --> 00:13:58.980 Absolutely. 173 00:13:58.980 --> 00:14:06.360 And then we get the oud advancing on them saying we must feed. 174 00:14:06.419 --> 00:14:10.379 And, you know, it's our internal cliffhanger. 175 00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:20.220 So these sort of scary monsters are advancing on the doctor and Rose and they're going to eat them and, you know, both the doctor and Rose are panicking, then opening credits. 176 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:23.700 And can I just say it looks like you'd have already fed a big bowl of spaghetti. 177 00:14:23.940 --> 00:14:27.179 But it's this whole thing. fake out. 178 00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:36.659 Yeah, but it certainly puts in your mind as the viewer that, well, maybe they're not quite as friendly as all that, you know, yeah, foreshadowing. 179 00:14:36.720 --> 00:14:38.279 I think it works actually quite well. 180 00:14:38.340 --> 00:14:53.820 When I 1st was rewatching this, and we come back from the closing credits, and the Oud sort of looks at his translation ball and then shakes it to get it working again properly, and then says we must feed you if you are hungry, which seems like a very improbable thing for anyone to want to say. 181 00:14:54.480 --> 00:15:04.620 But it does foreshadow the fact that the ood start to say like scary and off-putting things all the way through is an indication that something's going wrong. 182 00:15:04.679 --> 00:15:13.860 So it's sort of a sort of daggy joke, I think, but it eventually gets justified by what ends up happening with the od. 183 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:16.139 And the odes are such a brilliant design. 184 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:17.879 I mean, they look great. 185 00:15:17.940 --> 00:15:20.519 They're easily imitatable in the schoolyard. 186 00:15:20.580 --> 00:15:24.179 You know, just have to be spaghetti face and, you know, hold your hand up and do a bit of a wiggle. 187 00:15:24.179 --> 00:15:25.379 Have a ball in your hand. 188 00:15:25.440 --> 00:15:26.220 Absolutely. 189 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:28.919 You know, they're made to be played in the school ground. 190 00:15:28.980 --> 00:15:31.320 But they're rubber masks at the end of the day. 191 00:15:31.379 --> 00:15:33.720 And yet the rubber masks can do 2 things. 192 00:15:33.779 --> 00:15:38.879 They can look really quite sweet and innocent when they're batting their eyelids and, you know, talking to Rose. 193 00:15:38.940 --> 00:15:46.259 And then when they get the old pink eye and become the spawn of the devil, they're really quite menacing. think they're amazingly good. 194 00:15:46.320 --> 00:16:14.039 So they, there must be an animatronic mask, I think, because there's eyelids and, and there are facial expressions, and they're very deliberately decided, I think, after the experience of the Slovene, not to have a mask that requires lip syncing to dialogue, because that was never particularly successful with the Slovene masks, but here, because their mouths are sort of fringed in tentacles, and because they're not really speaking, they actually look really great. 195 00:16:14.100 --> 00:16:19.980 And they've got a lot of sort of swarfiga or KY jelly or something over those tentacles. 196 00:16:20.039 --> 00:16:22.200 So they're super kind of gross. 197 00:16:22.259 --> 00:16:27.120 In fact, about time, which is super negative about these episodes for some reason. 198 00:16:27.179 --> 00:16:27.840 Nobody's perfect. 199 00:16:27.899 --> 00:16:36.480 Well, what they say is, do you really want a waiter who is sort of constantly drooling to serve your food? 200 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:38.039 Absolutely, I do. 201 00:16:38.940 --> 00:16:41.279 Have you seen remains of the day? 202 00:16:41.279 --> 00:16:44.700 With the butler with the drippy nose into the sandwiches. 203 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:48.240 He's the ood prototype. 204 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:52.080 But we didn't originally have the ood. 205 00:16:52.139 --> 00:16:53.940 I think this is something that you know about, Peter. 206 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:57.240 Yes, it was, I think, in the earliest days. 207 00:16:57.299 --> 00:16:58.440 It was meant to be the sledine. 208 00:16:58.500 --> 00:16:59.340 Really? 209 00:16:59.399 --> 00:16:59.879 Yes. 210 00:16:59.940 --> 00:17:01.799 I mean this is very early days. 211 00:17:01.860 --> 00:17:05.339 It's sort of the same reason that you bring the ice warriors back. 212 00:17:05.400 --> 00:17:11.519 You know, you've got these giant fibreglass things in a storage compartment somewhere in the BBC and you want to reuse them. 213 00:17:11.579 --> 00:17:18.299 It would be cheap to reuse them and it's why they appear a few times in the 1st series of Sarah Jane Adventures, for instance. 214 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:21.480 Yeah, and let's not forget, the Celine made a big impact. 215 00:17:21.539 --> 00:17:27.480 They didn't always work, especially in their 1st story, but you know, they were one of the takeaways from the 1st season. 216 00:17:27.539 --> 00:17:30.720 So when this episode was being written, they would have been, you know, big news. 217 00:17:30.779 --> 00:17:31.500 Yeah. 218 00:17:31.500 --> 00:17:38.759 So the idea was that they were Slovene that were kind of down on their luck and it hired themselves out to a human expedition, I think. 219 00:17:38.819 --> 00:17:44.700 But I do think that the problem with a sabine here would be that they're a little bit too comfortable. 220 00:17:44.759 --> 00:17:52.019 We've seen them a few times they're funny and having the ood, who are funny, I think. 221 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:53.759 They're great characters. 222 00:17:53.819 --> 00:17:59.160 Yeah, yeah, but they are also super alien and not very much like anything we've seen before. 223 00:17:59.220 --> 00:18:03.240 I'm just thinking ahead thinking how the hell would they get through any ventilation shots? 224 00:18:04.140 --> 00:18:05.940 Oh, that's true. 225 00:18:06.119 --> 00:18:08.579 Also, like at the beginning here. 226 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:09.720 And throughout this episode. 227 00:18:09.779 --> 00:18:27.299 I think one of the most stunning things are the visual effects, the planet's surface, the actual wind swept look, and when they open up the dome to look at the black hole, it's amazing what the visual effects are 18 months after the show started again. 228 00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:28.019 Yeah. 229 00:18:28.079 --> 00:18:32.819 You know, the sets themselves are a little bit more modern. 230 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:37.859 I mean, you think about the number of bases under siege that we've actually seen in Doctor Who. 231 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:46.140 And so having sets that are visually sort of complex and interesting to look at, particularly those corridor sets. 232 00:18:46.200 --> 00:18:47.819 I think are really good. 233 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:51.359 The lighting behind the panels sort of flashing in sequence. 234 00:18:51.420 --> 00:18:57.420 Yeah, I'm not sure about habitation area 3, whether that's quite so good. 235 00:18:57.480 --> 00:19:00.359 There's a bit too many sort of flats and things in there. 236 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:07.500 But that main control area where Zach finds himself for most of the time is also really, really good. 237 00:19:07.619 --> 00:19:19.740 There's a real sort of sense of, you know, they're solid, you know, those doors seem really kind of solid and they're a huge feature and flimsiness. like you could believe that they're they're a flat pack. 238 00:19:19.799 --> 00:19:22.079 And there's even throwaway references. 239 00:19:22.140 --> 00:19:28.440 I mean, the fact that door frames can be security level ace or whatever it is, and then the one into control is 10, so it's harder to break into. 240 00:19:28.500 --> 00:19:31.920 It's these throwaways that make it a completely believable world. 241 00:19:31.980 --> 00:19:40.019 And can I say, I think it's actually the most sophisticated and complete design work that we've had so far in the new series. 242 00:19:40.079 --> 00:19:44.220 And they do some nice long shots to be able to capture everything on the set. 243 00:19:44.279 --> 00:19:48.059 I kudos to Ed Thomas for this, the designer. 244 00:19:48.119 --> 00:19:55.680 He's someone who never saw a Cardiff backstreet or a paper factory that he didn't like to turn into something, but he really went to town on this one. 245 00:19:55.740 --> 00:19:58.619 And the whole look of the story is just fantastic. 246 00:19:58.680 --> 00:20:02.220 I think you can believe in it as a credible world in itself. 247 00:20:02.279 --> 00:20:05.220 You know, even when the doctor and Rose come out at the very start. 248 00:20:05.279 --> 00:20:16.259 There's the wind whipping outside, the doors talking, the flashing lights of the panels, the sirens, whenever one of the earthquakes hits, it all works together. 249 00:20:16.319 --> 00:20:29.339 And I think, actually, my old, my old friend and editor and housemate, Gary Gillis, said that the difference between a great Doctor 2 story and a bad Doctor 2 story is the credibility of the world that it creates. 250 00:20:29.400 --> 00:20:38.039 So robots of death, for instance, fantastic, or Andrasani major, you totally believe there's world out there, car fell in time lash. 251 00:20:38.099 --> 00:20:38.880 Maybe not. 252 00:20:38.940 --> 00:20:41.279 Whereas here, you believe the world. 253 00:20:41.339 --> 00:20:42.359 It's perfectly crafted. 254 00:20:42.420 --> 00:20:45.059 I think there is a little bit of fridge logic. 255 00:20:45.119 --> 00:20:52.859 I actually spent my 2nd viewing of this wondering how they got all this stuff here in that little sort of spaceship. 256 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:53.819 Flatback. 257 00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:57.000 But it really, really does look good. 258 00:20:57.059 --> 00:21:08.339 And I think Russell has said in the series Bible that he didn't want there to be colonists, that he wanted to use the word pioneers, and these people are obviously not colonists. 259 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:10.920 They're not trying to settle the place. 260 00:21:11.099 --> 00:21:25.259 But he wanted to make sure that space seemed scary and difficult and dangerous, and not to take space for granted. 261 00:21:25.319 --> 00:21:33.119 You know, in the late 70s, we had so many spaceships and so many space spaces and all of that sort of thing, and everyone was sort of rather blasé about travelling through space. 262 00:21:33.180 --> 00:21:42.720 But having these people be in danger and have to be brave, to be involved in it, I think, you know, sells it and makes them more likeable. 263 00:21:42.839 --> 00:21:44.039 Very true. 264 00:21:44.099 --> 00:21:48.180 And I mean, even later in this episode, Rose actually says space travel is tough. 265 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:55.200 You know, there's no anti-gravity, no teleport, which is what, you know, as viewers, we're used to the Star Trek world, everything. 266 00:21:55.259 --> 00:22:04.200 So easy and it just, I think, reinforces perhaps a bit of a difference with Doctor Who compared to other science fiction shows at various times. 267 00:22:04.259 --> 00:22:07.079 All the grimy metallic world of the liberator. 268 00:22:07.619 --> 00:22:11.220 The grimy, metallic cocktail lounge. 269 00:22:11.220 --> 00:22:18.900 I think that's an interesting point because the series goes through cycles with its approach to space. 270 00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:25.019 I interviewed Jamie Matheson, who wrote Oxygen for series 10 and he made the very same point. 271 00:22:25.079 --> 00:22:38.279 He said that Stephen Moffatt, when commissioning the story, said that he felt that space had become too safe, and Stephen used an example from his own work, which was River song floating through space in the air corridor in the time of angels. 272 00:22:38.339 --> 00:22:48.119 And he said, no, let's get back to the dangers of space and the fact that one wrong step could kill you, which is why all the characters in that episode are so on the edge. 273 00:22:55.740 --> 00:23:03.059 The thing about this is that the visual design inside and outside is just so beautiful. 274 00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:07.559 I mean, they do rip off for Lord of the Rings a bit, I think, with the whole black hole look. 275 00:23:07.619 --> 00:23:36.119 But even with them entering night shift, you know, it's such a real place, you know, and and that, I just, and sitting here, people just thinking in my head, that windy landscape, you know, when storage room, what is it, one to 6 or whatever, fall into the chasm, like those things are just etched into my mind, but backing all that up is the score, the musical score for this episode, which I just find quite haunting at times. absolutely beautiful. 276 00:23:36.180 --> 00:23:38.160 I mean, when the dog is best work, I think. 277 00:23:38.220 --> 00:23:41.940 When the doctor, well, actually there's 2 things. 278 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:45.299 When they look at it, the scarlet system. absolutely haunting music. 279 00:23:45.420 --> 00:23:51.299 And then when they also descend down in the pit, or what is it, down into the earth. 280 00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:52.140 Yeah, yeah. 281 00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:53.880 There's also beautiful. 282 00:23:53.880 --> 00:23:55.859 The music is epic on the descent of that capsule. 283 00:23:55.920 --> 00:23:56.400 Yeah. 284 00:23:56.940 --> 00:23:58.799 And I just say they're going, this is utterly beautiful. 285 00:23:58.859 --> 00:24:14.279 Originally, I did nominate to actually do these episodes, listeners, you know, I like to do ones that are my favourite and or the opposite end of the spectrum, and this season I've actually gotten neither, which is really interesting because my favorite's actually tooth and claw, and my least favourite is fear her. 286 00:24:14.339 --> 00:24:20.759 So to get something in between, like I was kind of going, oh, dear, you know, I can't just sing praises or I can't just rubbish it. 287 00:24:20.819 --> 00:24:22.140 This is going to be tough. 288 00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:25.019 But I just sat here and I always, I've always liked this. 289 00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:26.220 Like, I always thought it was very good. 290 00:24:26.339 --> 00:24:35.039 It is along with truth and claw and the girl in the fireplace, my favourites of the season. 291 00:24:35.099 --> 00:24:44.220 So really strong stuff, but it's the visual stuff and that music throughout this episode that I just underscores everything, how terrific it actually is. 292 00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:50.519 This episode feels like it's had a very long term meeting, because everything is on board. 293 00:24:50.579 --> 00:24:56.700 The music, the design of the Ude, the sets, what the characters are wearing and the way that they interact with each other. 294 00:24:56.759 --> 00:25:02.460 It all comes together to create that credible world that I was talking about. 295 00:25:02.579 --> 00:25:15.359 And Todd, the exterior shots that you're talking about with, I think there's one of scooty working on something outside when they change over to night shift and the antenna is turning around behind her and the wind is whipping. 296 00:25:15.420 --> 00:25:18.420 It's got a very strong sense of place. 297 00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:22.740 You know, exactly, you know, it feels like a real place in someone doing work. 298 00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:35.400 But then after that, with Toby outside, standing in that weird way, like he's not comfortable in his own body and Scooty looking at him through the window, I mean, that might be the contender for the best visual of the season. 299 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:39.359 Let's talk about Toby, shall we? 300 00:25:39.900 --> 00:25:56.099 We've had a few little hints of horror with the oud saying sort of weirdly inappropriate things for a moment, but no one seems to register them and we dismiss them, but quite early on in the episode, we have Toby in his quarters doing some archeology. 301 00:25:56.160 --> 00:26:02.940 And we suddenly hear the terrifying voice of TV's Gabriel Wolf. 302 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:14.339 An absolutely chilling scene, and you get you get the little teaser of it beforehand where Toby's walking through the corridor, and I think, is it the computer that says something weird at that time, the door computer? 303 00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:17.339 And every time Toby is freaked out, it's shot in the same way. 304 00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:26.160 It's shot from every conceivable angle and then the director cuts between every conceivable angle to make it feel like he's being watched from everywhere. 305 00:26:26.220 --> 00:26:30.900 I think that also sort of sells the idea of being disoriented as well. 306 00:26:31.079 --> 00:26:38.039 He'll use it again next week to reflect the doctor's very quick thought processes as well. 307 00:26:38.099 --> 00:26:39.900 But it is a good trick. 308 00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:40.619 It really works. 309 00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:42.900 And also having the camera watching him. 310 00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:48.059 So having him shot from behind while he's working. 311 00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:51.299 And that thing, that it's a very simple thing. 312 00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:57.180 There's no actual horror in it, but that don't turn around or you'll die is so frightening. 313 00:26:57.240 --> 00:27:03.480 It's, I think, the grimmest scene of certainly up until this point in New Doctor Who. 314 00:27:03.539 --> 00:27:06.839 There's nothing quite as putently frightening as that. 315 00:27:06.900 --> 00:27:12.599 You know, that whole thing of like, if you look at me, you will die, that constant reference to you're going to die. 316 00:27:12.660 --> 00:27:13.259 Yeah. 317 00:27:13.259 --> 00:27:20.160 It's quite full on for us or Dr. 2. there's a twitchy energy about Toby that makes it work. 318 00:27:20.220 --> 00:27:28.019 His look is really good too, because he is he's attractive, you know, he is attractive, but he's weird looking as well. 319 00:27:28.140 --> 00:27:30.839 Yeah, and he hardly ever cracks a smile. 320 00:27:30.900 --> 00:27:34.200 He's always worried looking even before any of this goes down. 321 00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:43.799 Yeah, in fact, it's funny, isn't it, that he is a very good looking man, but he seems to be really, really unsure of himself and a little bit sort of introverted. 322 00:27:43.859 --> 00:27:45.599 Insecure Yeah. 323 00:27:45.660 --> 00:27:49.380 No, that dialogue is, yeah, you know, doomed to turn around. 324 00:27:49.380 --> 00:27:56.940 And then the other one is like, I think the computer says he is awake and the phone call is he is awake and that keeps coming. coming back, you know. 325 00:27:57.000 --> 00:28:02.099 Oh, that one line, the beast in his armies shall rise from the pit to wage war against God. 326 00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:03.119 That's potent. 327 00:28:03.180 --> 00:28:05.880 So that's an ood talking to Billy. yeah. 328 00:28:05.940 --> 00:28:06.180 Yes. 329 00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:06.900 Yes, yes. 330 00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:08.400 So rise from the pit to make war. 331 00:28:08.460 --> 00:28:10.200 Sounds like a Sonya lyric. 332 00:28:11.099 --> 00:28:12.960 Oh, Lord. 333 00:28:13.019 --> 00:28:19.980 Yeah, it's interesting, but it's interesting how that everybody just dismisses all these little glitches in the dialogue. 334 00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:25.319 But of course, then, of course, Rose gets the phone call and flings her phone across the... 335 00:28:25.619 --> 00:28:30.059 Yeah, well, she's already she's already had the ood, say something really odd to her as well. 336 00:28:30.539 --> 00:28:42.900 And I also think what's really effective about the way that Toby's possession works is that business, about the writing disappearing from the shards of pottery and then appearing on his hands. 337 00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:53.640 And it's a wonderful surprise because he behaves like he's seen Doctor Who before and he takes his latex gloves off and looks at the back of his hands and kind of is a little bit relieved. 338 00:28:53.700 --> 00:28:55.740 Oh, okay, so it hasn't gone onto my hands. 339 00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:58.799 And then he turns his hands around and they're all on the palms of his hands. 340 00:28:58.859 --> 00:29:01.559 And then eventually on his face, and it's super effective. 341 00:29:01.619 --> 00:29:02.519 It looks amazing. 342 00:29:02.579 --> 00:29:04.619 We were talking about Planet Evil before. 343 00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:06.720 It's actually very Professor Sorensen, isn't it? 344 00:29:06.779 --> 00:29:08.279 Yeah, yeah, it really is. 345 00:29:08.339 --> 00:29:09.000 Yeah. 346 00:29:15.059 --> 00:29:27.359 So the other person who gets a really kind of terrifying scene, and who does appear to be properly freaked out by the things that the computer and the doors are saying, is Scooty, who we've had very little time to get to know. 347 00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:34.440 She's had very few lines by this point, but she's pretty and young and kind of super likeable. 348 00:29:34.500 --> 00:29:38.160 She's the intern, so we know that she's sort of inexperienced and stuff. 349 00:29:38.220 --> 00:29:40.619 She's cheerful in a way that a lot of the others aren't. 350 00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:43.200 Yeah, yeah, she's she does seem super nice. 351 00:29:43.259 --> 00:29:47.519 And there is that scene where she starts to freak out. 352 00:29:47.579 --> 00:29:57.299 And that moment where she's looking out and sees Toby outside and the glass starts to break. 353 00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:00.720 The way he's beckoning her out and she's almost on the influence. 354 00:30:00.779 --> 00:30:04.740 I mean, we've seen dozens of people do that performance in Doctor Who before. 355 00:30:04.859 --> 00:30:15.059 I don't think anyone's done it better, the way that she's stretching out her arm and she's fixed on him, but she sort of casts a little look to her arm as if to go, what am I doing? 356 00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:16.440 And that's when the spell breaks. 357 00:30:16.500 --> 00:30:17.579 It's a great performance. 358 00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:18.299 She really sells it. 359 00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:21.180 I think Toby's really frightening in that scene as well. 360 00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:22.319 We don't see him smile. 361 00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:24.660 He doesn't smile in that scene? 362 00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:25.380 He does. 363 00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:29.400 We don't see him smile before or after that, but that smile is frightening. 364 00:30:29.460 --> 00:30:33.779 It's freaky And when it goes wrong, the smile melts off his face immediately. 365 00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:35.579 It's yeah, it's really creepy. 366 00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:41.700 But yes, her performance is fantastic in that moment and then trying to get out of there. 367 00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:45.480 And then, of course, she's the 1st character killed off. 368 00:30:45.539 --> 00:30:53.039 And, you know, we get to see that her floating away, which is really quite heartbreaking, really. 369 00:30:53.099 --> 00:30:57.359 And you know as viewers, what's to come, you know, not everybody's going to survive. 370 00:30:57.420 --> 00:30:58.920 This is not going to be great. 371 00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:01.019 And, of course, David Tennant gets to go. 372 00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:02.460 I'm sorry, I'm so sorry. 373 00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:05.099 I like his delivery of that line though. 374 00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:08.339 He really means it there and he's not overdoing it. 375 00:31:08.460 --> 00:31:19.259 And the thing is that in these bases under siege full of white people with last names, people die all the time and no one really has much time to care about it. 376 00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:22.559 It's just a thing that happens to up the stakes in classic Doctor Who. 377 00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:25.500 But here, everyone's looking for her. 378 00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:29.279 We can't find her, you know, we found her shoes in habitation. 379 00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:30.539 Yeah, yeah, we go there. 380 00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:33.180 She's not to be found, and then the doctor sees her. 381 00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:46.019 And that scene that we mentioned before, where the scarlet system has died and is being pulled into the black hole, just prefigures, what happens to Scooty. 382 00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:56.579 We've seen a whole civilisation be, you know, drawn into the black holes, gravitational field, and destroyed, and now we see it happening to this character that we really like. 383 00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:00.119 And when Ida says she was 20. 384 00:32:00.420 --> 00:32:01.500 She was 20 years old. 385 00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:09.839 It's so touching, like having proper reactions from characters who we can believe in to a death like this sells it so well. 386 00:32:09.900 --> 00:32:15.660 Some of the dialogue in this story is a little bit, what's the word? 387 00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:19.259 It's a little bit up on naturalistic dialogue. 388 00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:30.539 And so when I was talking about the scarlet system, she says, ladies and gentlemen, we have witnessed its passing, which I do believe is something that I would say, but because the story is big and it has big stakes. 389 00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:36.779 It lends itself to this slightly amped up dialogue, and it's beautiful in a lot of cases. 390 00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:42.779 The moment, in fact, when the doctor says, can you leave the roof open, this before scooty dies, can you leave the roof open? 391 00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:44.099 I promise I won't go mad. 392 00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:46.140 And Ida just says to him, how would you know? 393 00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:53.640 I love that In fact, I love the fact that when Scooty's floating off, they close the roof. 394 00:32:53.819 --> 00:32:55.079 That's when they close the roof. 395 00:32:55.140 --> 00:33:07.319 I mean, it's because she left the roof open so the doctor could look at the scarlet system that the doctor sees her body floating off into space, but they close it because they can't bear to watch it anymore. 396 00:33:07.380 --> 00:33:09.180 It's really well done. 397 00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:12.960 I think the confidential has the actor in a swimming pool. 398 00:33:13.019 --> 00:33:15.180 Yeah, yeah, which is a good way out of it. 399 00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:19.859 And as you were saying earlier, told beautiful music in that secret, it's just amazing. 400 00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:48.240 So, my Anna Buring, who plays Scooty, is for fact fans, FYI, as they said in the olden days, actually dated Rory Jennings, Tommy, from the Idiot's Lantern, for quite a while. 401 00:33:48.299 --> 00:33:49.319 So there we go. 402 00:33:49.380 --> 00:33:51.299 Something about people meeting on Doc 2. 403 00:33:51.779 --> 00:33:53.579 So we've heard. 404 00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:59.220 So yeah, they would have been very cute little pixie people. 405 00:34:00.299 --> 00:34:12.000 One of the things that I picked up in this episode, which I didn't pick up originally, was there's a piece of dialogue that says the Tartis has fallen to the heart of the planet and the drills are heading the same way. 406 00:34:12.059 --> 00:34:19.139 It's a plot point for next week, but it's just something that the 1st time around when all of the Tartars fell away. 407 00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:26.940 I just kind of went, oh, you know, it's only fallen like, you know, 500 metres or whatever, but it seems to have fallen a long, long way, you know? 408 00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:29.880 And that chasm is obviously very, very big. 409 00:34:29.940 --> 00:34:31.679 Yeah, 10 miles deep. 410 00:34:31.739 --> 00:34:32.219 That's right. 411 00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:45.659 We'll talk about this next week, but there's the usual accusation that Russell's stories don't set their resolution up properly and people say, oh, it's a deusex marketer or whatever, but this is at least kind of set up. 412 00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:53.099 You know, it falls down to the centre of the planet or deep within the planet and there's a drill heading deep within the planet. 413 00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:56.340 We'll talk more about that resolution, I think, next week though. 414 00:34:56.400 --> 00:35:02.340 What I do like is that it gives rise to that conversation in habitation area 3 between the doctor and Rose. 415 00:35:02.460 --> 00:35:09.059 The one about him having to buy a house and was it get a mortgage or something like that? 416 00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:10.440 Yeah, yeah, carpets. 417 00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:24.119 What I kind of like about it is we have already talked about how the doctor and rose are a little bit too comfortable with one another, but they're not that comfortable here. 418 00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:26.760 No, they come. 419 00:35:26.820 --> 00:35:29.820 I think the doctor's comfortable as friends, but beyond that, who knows? 420 00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:39.900 And I think I'm in 2 minds about this thing because I think it's a very well written scene, and I think the performances are, you know, just off enough with each other that it really sells it. 421 00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:48.480 I think we're meant to be quite invested in the fact that the Dr. and Rose might be in love with each other as a fan. 422 00:35:48.539 --> 00:36:02.099 I'm not particularly, but I think because the series had very wide and broad mainstream appeal at this point, I think maybe the wider audience who weren't necessarily Doctor Who afficionados were invested in the Doctor and Rose. 423 00:36:02.219 --> 00:36:03.179 So this was quite important for them. 424 00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:06.179 Yeah, as a love story for this season. 425 00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:16.260 I find it really interesting watching this series back, which I will say that I've liked this series a lot more than what I originally thought about it. 426 00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:24.300 But I do find from episode episode one moment, they seem to be in love, and the next, their chums, depending on who's written it and where it is placed in the season. 427 00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:26.219 I do feel that at times. 428 00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:29.460 I don't necessarily know if I get that feeling here. 429 00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:38.340 I guess I look at the dialogue, you know, talking about, you know, my home planet's gone, the TARDIS has grown, and then, you know, the promises you made to Jackie to get Rose back. 430 00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:46.739 I'm kind of listening to all the dialogue as opposed to a love story, but I can totally get it, that people would see this as a love story at this point. 431 00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:51.300 But I just think that the relationship clearly sort of falters at some point. 432 00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:55.320 It only goes so far and both of them end up sort of slightly embarrassed. 433 00:36:55.739 --> 00:36:58.079 Rose has pushed the doctor a little bit too far. 434 00:36:58.139 --> 00:37:04.079 She's tentative about saying it might be nice to get a mortgage together because she doesn't know how he'll react. 435 00:37:04.139 --> 00:37:13.199 And his reaction is to kind of try and pretend he hasn't heard it and to get all embarrassed and then she immediately gets embarrassed about having made the suggestion. 436 00:37:13.260 --> 00:37:14.280 Yeah, yeah. 437 00:37:14.340 --> 00:37:15.900 So thank God for the phone call. 438 00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:17.460 That's right. 439 00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:18.300 That's it. 440 00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:21.780 Thank goodness the beast knew when to when to place that call. 441 00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:24.179 Thank goodness, I was a waging war against God. 442 00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:29.760 I think also told what you were saying about, you know, sometimes it feels like a romance and sometimes it doesn't. 443 00:37:29.820 --> 00:37:31.500 It depends whose point of view it's coming from. 444 00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:33.420 If you get rose pushing the scene. 445 00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:35.639 It's very definitely that romantic feel. 446 00:37:35.699 --> 00:37:36.780 If you get the doctor pushing it. 447 00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:39.239 It's a friendship and you get that all through the season. 448 00:37:39.300 --> 00:37:41.219 It's actually quite a nice arc for them. 449 00:37:41.280 --> 00:37:46.739 I think that we said earlier that the girl in the fireplace is a sort of weird exception to it. 450 00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:48.900 It's sort of untouched by Russell. 451 00:37:48.900 --> 00:37:55.739 And so it is very much, you know, Rose is paired up with Mickey while the doctor goes off and has a girlfriend. 452 00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:59.219 It's kind of like, well, he already had a girlfriend sort of, didn't he? 453 00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:03.480 So, but certainly the relationship is sort of amazingly close. 454 00:38:03.780 --> 00:38:05.219 Yes. 455 00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:08.820 And it's always good to separate close friendships. 456 00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:18.119 So we've got the doctor going down with Ida. and Rose staying up above with the rest of the crew as things begin to happen with the oud. 457 00:38:18.179 --> 00:38:19.800 I want to talk a bit more about the oud. 458 00:38:19.860 --> 00:38:34.980 Yeah, I love the fact that they really are trying to world build them as, you know, potential, like they are essentially slaves, but they talk about friends of the Oud, and, you know, Danny's got a lot to say about their telepathic fields and how he sort of treats them. 459 00:38:35.099 --> 00:38:44.099 I really like his character and the way he's sort of performed throughout all of that sort of techno babble to do with, you know, what they should be feeling or not. 460 00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:45.539 Yeah, yeah, basic five, basic 10. 461 00:38:46.500 --> 00:38:47.280 He's really likeable. 462 00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:49.079 Except, though. 463 00:38:49.139 --> 00:39:02.460 Like, I remember originally being a bit worried by the oud, and given that Rose is worried by them having slaves as well, I think we're meant to be worried by that, you know, human beings shouldn't have slaves. 464 00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:06.599 And the friend of the Ud line, which actually comes from Scooty. 465 00:39:06.659 --> 00:39:07.139 It does. 466 00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:12.659 It's a great conversation between Danny and Scooty. been set up to be the most likeable people and they're like, oh, they're just a slave race. 467 00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:17.880 And I do love friends of the Oude, because it's such a pertuy era, kind of thing, isn't it? 468 00:39:17.940 --> 00:39:22.019 Like friends of the earth, you know, like those terrible people in colony in space or whatever. 469 00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:24.780 Isn't they friends of Delta Magna or something like that as well? 470 00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:26.039 they may well be. 471 00:39:26.099 --> 00:39:27.960 You're quite right. 472 00:39:28.019 --> 00:39:34.199 So that's what we always call kind of, you know, leftist pressure groups in the Doctor Who universe. 473 00:39:34.260 --> 00:39:35.460 They're always friends of something. 474 00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:46.079 But I think the thing is that we are made more uncomfortable by Danny because Danny is actually really super horrible in the way that he talks about the oud. 475 00:39:46.139 --> 00:39:53.159 So he says they're so stupid. you know, he's really dismissive and unpleasant about them. 476 00:39:53.219 --> 00:40:01.320 And so it's really kind of off-putting to have a likeable character be so openly racist, I think. 477 00:40:01.380 --> 00:40:02.400 Absolutely. 478 00:40:02.460 --> 00:40:04.320 And he's ethics committee. 479 00:40:04.380 --> 00:40:06.239 Yeah, yeah. ethics committee. 480 00:40:06.300 --> 00:40:07.320 I think that's super funny. 481 00:40:07.380 --> 00:40:08.400 That's super clever. 482 00:40:08.460 --> 00:40:12.960 So the ethics committee, they're about how do we treat our slaves, you know? 483 00:40:13.019 --> 00:40:15.539 But also, he's the ethics committee. 484 00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:16.199 Is he a committee? 485 00:40:16.260 --> 00:40:17.760 Yeah, he's the only commit. that's it. 486 00:40:17.820 --> 00:40:18.420 He is the only member. 487 00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:35.159 Yeah, I mean, more of that next week, I think, because I think that something very deliberate is happening here and that this story fails properly to address it, and it makes Planet Viewed in series 4 absolutely necessary. 488 00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:37.079 This story fails at nothing. 489 00:40:37.139 --> 00:40:37.980 Yeah, maybe. 490 00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:49.019 There are 2 other characters on this base. 491 00:40:49.079 --> 00:40:51.059 There is the 2 security guards? 492 00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:52.500 Yeah, they're the red shirts. 493 00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:54.539 The female and the male one. 494 00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:56.219 They're not dead yet, are they? 495 00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:57.119 We're an episode one. 496 00:40:57.179 --> 00:41:00.119 No, I just need to say that the guard with the mullet. 497 00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:02.519 He has a package on him. 498 00:41:02.579 --> 00:41:03.179 Really? 499 00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:03.900 I haven't noticed. 500 00:41:03.960 --> 00:41:04.739 I'm just going to say that. 501 00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:06.360 I'm just going to say it, you know, there you go. 502 00:41:06.420 --> 00:41:08.219 It was brought flat packed from a... 503 00:41:08.219 --> 00:41:11.519 I think he looks like Bellboy's distant descendant. 504 00:41:11.579 --> 00:41:17.039 Yeah, yeah No, there was just a shot of him standing there like, you know, well, and I just noticed it. 505 00:41:17.099 --> 00:41:18.179 Thanks, people. 506 00:41:18.179 --> 00:41:19.800 This is why our listeners tune in. 507 00:41:19.860 --> 00:41:23.400 Can I give a shout out to those 2 actually, those 2 red shirts? 508 00:41:23.460 --> 00:41:31.019 Because Guy Redshirt, who gets done by nude while Danny stands by looking gormlessly, and then later girl redshirt. 509 00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:32.699 Also, Dumbai Nude. 510 00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:34.440 Well, Denny stands by looking formlessly. 511 00:41:34.500 --> 00:41:36.539 They're both really good. 512 00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:41.820 They don't have a single line, so they're background artists and they're both acting their socks off in every scene. 513 00:41:41.880 --> 00:41:44.039 It's a funny decision. isn't it? 514 00:41:44.099 --> 00:41:52.019 Because we do get to know everyone really very well and it does seem like it's just our main characters and those 2 on the base. 515 00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:52.860 There's no one else. 516 00:41:53.099 --> 00:42:00.420 I'd say even Mr. Jefferson, like for a lot of this, is in the background in this episode, is not quite to the forefront. 517 00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:03.119 Certainly towards the end of the episode more so. 518 00:42:03.179 --> 00:42:04.679 He's very good too. 519 00:42:04.739 --> 00:42:07.260 And he's really good, especially in, well, next week. 520 00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:12.239 Yeah, it's interesting that they are the other 2 characters, but they are characters, you know? 521 00:42:12.300 --> 00:42:19.320 Like they come across, like what you're saying, the performances are good enough that you, you know, they're done for, but you know that they're there. 522 00:42:19.380 --> 00:42:22.860 It's not like, you know, other stories where it's like, well, whoever's just died. 523 00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:30.480 Well, in fact, they kind of are the people who just die and no one really cares and they won't ever be mentioned again. 524 00:42:30.539 --> 00:42:32.039 But you know, you actually do care. 525 00:42:32.099 --> 00:42:42.000 I mean, I think when Girl Red Shirt dies, maybe not in this episode, maybe it's the start of the next, is actually quite a sad, horrible moment because she's been quite nice up to that point. 526 00:42:42.059 --> 00:42:43.380 You think, no, she just opens the door. 527 00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:44.579 There's a nude ready to ball up. 528 00:42:48.420 --> 00:43:09.420 So we have our 2nd cliffhanger of the season. at the end of this episode and it's another one of those kind of throw everything at the screen cliffhangers where a whole bunch of people are all in slightly different danger in different places and everything sort of ramps up to this sort of massive, giant, scary finale. 529 00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:10.619 What do you think? 530 00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:12.960 It's an amazing cliffhanger. 531 00:43:13.019 --> 00:43:14.340 I think it might be the best build. 532 00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:17.099 I mean, certainly of all of the Russell 2 parties. 533 00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:22.019 Well, yes, because we've got the doctor and I are opening the, I call it the pit, right? 534 00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:23.219 Yeah, they call it the pit. 535 00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:26.639 And that camera angle is amazing. 536 00:43:26.699 --> 00:43:28.139 So coming up on them at the end. 537 00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:28.980 Yeah, yeah. 538 00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:33.599 So something is in the pit, kind of, and it looks like it's coming up to get them. 539 00:43:33.659 --> 00:43:37.920 And then at the same time, we've got sort of ood attacking people. 540 00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:39.780 Where the Legion of the Beast, isn't it? 541 00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:42.780 Yeah, and Toby's taken over again. 542 00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:43.199 Is that right? 543 00:43:43.260 --> 00:43:47.579 He, I think the influence has just left him and gone into the Oude. 544 00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:48.659 Yeah, that's right. 545 00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:49.380 Yeah, yeah. 546 00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:51.179 Yeah, no, they're all in deadly danger. 547 00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:59.340 Yeah, it's funny that in fact, the final shot of the Cliffhanger isn't the we're all in deadly danger thread. 548 00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:03.059 It is the what on earth is going to happen next, thread. 549 00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:04.860 And I think there's enough pace. 550 00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:07.440 The music is absolutely kind of selling it. 551 00:44:07.500 --> 00:44:18.900 But it's always been my favourite sort of cliffhanger where it's not how are they going to get out of this because we all know they're going to get out of this, but what on earth is going to happen next? 552 00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:21.179 What is there in that pier? 553 00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:24.659 And the villain actually cackles evilly as the end credits come in. 554 00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:25.320 It's great. 555 00:44:25.380 --> 00:44:27.000 I talk about traditional who? 556 00:44:27.300 --> 00:44:30.360 Hasn't the male security card just been killed too? 557 00:44:30.420 --> 00:44:31.619 Doesn't he die at the end of this? 558 00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:38.099 He, yeah, he dies when, um, when they're in the new habitat and then Danny runs away and joins the others. 559 00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:39.659 Yeah, that is now, isn't it? 560 00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:40.860 It doesn't make it to me. 561 00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:43.380 Because my notes just take massive extra dead. 562 00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:45.239 Make of that what you will. 563 00:45:15.300 --> 00:45:16.320 Well done, sir. 564 00:45:16.380 --> 00:45:21.539 It looks like we're going to be spending the next week or so staring fruitlessly over the edge of this giant hole in the ground. 565 00:45:21.539 --> 00:45:26.460 Join us next week to find out what emerges from the Satan Pit. 566 00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:27.539 Spoiler alert, nothing. 567 00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:35.639 In the meantime, you can find us at FlightthroughEntirety.com, flight through entirety on Facebook and Apple Podcasts, and at FTE podcast on Twitter. 568 00:45:35.699 --> 00:45:46.139 You can also find us on our other podcasts, our series 11 flashcast Jody and Tara, and our James Bond and James Bond adjacent commentary podcast, Bondfinger. 569 00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:53.400 They're at Jodyinterterra.com and bondfinger.com respectively, as well as on Twitter, Facebook, and Apple Podcasts. 570 00:45:53.460 --> 00:45:58.679 Until next time, the Beast in his Army shall rise from the pit to make war against God. 571 00:45:58.739 --> 00:46:03.059 So you'll probably want to wear some kind of hat or flak jacket when you next go to church. 572 00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:05.639 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 573 00:46:05.699 --> 00:46:06.719 Good night. 574 00:46:06.780 --> 00:46:07.920 He is awake. 575 00:46:07.980 --> 00:46:09.780 Promise I won't go mad. 576 00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:11.159 See you soon. 577 00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:22.079 That was Flight for Entirety, starring Todd Bilby, Nathan Audley, and Peter Griffiths, theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, strings performance by Jane Orberg. 578 00:46:22.139 --> 00:46:28.800 This episode, a very long tone meeting, was recorded on the 23rd of February 2019, and released on the 5th of May. 579 00:46:32.820 --> 00:46:46.139 This is the 2nd time in the series we've done this, but if anyone knows this episode's uncredited Mail Guard, please ask him to get in touch with Todd Bealby, Care of Sanctuary Bay 6, the Planet Crop Tour in the Stellion Galaxy. 580 00:46:46.619 --> 00:46:48.900 I think we could end that there. 581 00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:49.559 What do you think? 582 00:46:50.099 --> 00:46:53.880 With another giant dick joke from Cod, as usual. 583 00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:57.360 I must be channelling somebody else from this podcast. 584 00:46:57.420 --> 00:47:00.300 You've got super relaxed over the past 4 years. 585 00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:05.219 Oh, yeah, back when you were back when you were talking about how that monoptera was so sexy. 586 00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:06.960 I wasn't around for that. 587 00:47:07.019 --> 00:47:08.699 I don't know what you're talking about Oh sorry. 588 00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:09.539 What was your 1st story? 589 00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:11.219 Terror of the Autons. 590 00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:12.179 Terror of the autumn. 591 00:47:13.019 --> 00:47:13.800 Ter of the Autom. 592 00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:15.960 Hitting on Mr. Farrell, senior, were you? 593 00:47:16.260 --> 00:47:18.599 No, I prefer the doll. 594 00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:22.920 Mr. Watt's his name. with the Northern accent. 595 00:47:22.980 --> 00:47:25.500 All right, Mr. Fu Pang. 596 00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:27.360 Mr. Fu Pang. 597 00:47:28.260 --> 00:47:30.480 The American delegate. 598 00:47:30.780 --> 00:47:32.820 Mr. Foolpang. 599 00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:35.280 Mr. Fu Pang, you're a Chinese dragon. 600 00:47:35.340 --> 00:47:35.639 What? 601 00:47:35.699 --> 00:47:37.559 Mr. Fu Pang? 602 00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:42.480 He's like a stuffed vinyl Chinese dragon though, isn't he? 603 00:47:42.539 --> 00:47:48.840 Yeah, he's staying to get one proper shot of him, and that's after Mishra Fulpang, has been dispatched. 604 00:47:48.900 --> 00:47:51.119 All right, I've got a long speech. 605 00:47:51.179 --> 00:47:52.980 Just a frrill pang? 606 00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:53.760 I might fall asleep. 607 00:47:53.820 --> 00:47:54.539 Here goes. 608 00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:55.079 All right. 609 00:47:55.139 --> 00:47:59.639 Just pretend I'm Peter Capoldi at the end of twice upon a time. 610 00:47:59.699 --> 00:48:01.199 That's fine, I'm fine with that. 611 00:48:01.260 --> 00:48:03.900 I'm going to give a long speech and throw myself around the room. 612 00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:05.519 I can't be here until next year. 613 00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:10.619 I'll pretend that you're Jodie Whitaker at any point of execution. 614 00:48:10.739 --> 00:48:11.760 She never gets along. 615 00:48:11.820 --> 00:48:12.360 Oh, she does too. 616 00:48:12.420 --> 00:48:14.099 Let me explain what the solar tract is. 617 00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:16.440 Because you care. 618 00:48:18.059 --> 00:48:21.342 Well, dear listener, it looks like we're going to be spending...