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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight through Entirety

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the only Doctor Who podcast that's much more than an MP3 file on

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your phone.

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It's a beacon of hope and fortitude and courage, and it's a beacon

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of love.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm Brendan.

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And I'm Dan.

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This week we head back to a happier time, a time before Trump and

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Brexit, and a time before the official London 2012 Olympics logo

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was actually unveiled.

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Someone upstairs is sharpening their Derwent Lakelands, which

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means that it's also a time to fear her.

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So, Dan, you're actually used to talking on podcasts about Doctor

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Who stories that you really love.

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Is that right?

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That's right.

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Our podcasts are new to who we generally just dive into stories

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that we have loved for a long time or our favourite ones or ones

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that we think. are good entry points, but for that reason, we

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never get to really be mean to anything and now I'm excited to be

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on your podcast and I get to pan something terribly.

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So thank you so much.

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So this isn't an all-time classic for you?

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It's not, it's not, it's not in my top 10.

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It's probably not in my top 200 or 300.

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It's not like offensively bad.

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It's just, it's just, it's a lot of middle, I think Brennan said

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earlier, it's just a lot of metal and it's right in the middle.

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It's quite it's a bit flabby.

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It's one of these ones that when DWM does, you know, it's massive

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pole, like the Mighty 200 or whatever or the 50th anniversary pole

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it tends to be the new series story that finds itself down the

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bottom.

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Now, that's not usually a good indication because those poles are

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essentially rubbish, I think.

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But it's easy to understand why it finds its way there.

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I released on my YouTube channel.

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My bottom 5 Doctor Who stories and I gave honourable mentions to

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doctors who didn't end up in the bottom 5 and fear her, for me, is

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the worst David Tennant story.

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Wow.

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However, it's not the one I enjoy the least.

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That would probably be the end of time.

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But this, I just feel, it has loads of good ideas, but it's just

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all pulling in different directions.

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And of course, it has a very troubled production history.

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This slot was originally meant to be a story written by Stephen

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Fry set in the 1920s and the idea was when they realised, 0 my god

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we've got Stephen Fry.

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They promised him lots of lovely money for special effects and

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whatnot, but then decided to put it as production block 6 when all

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the money had run out.

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So Russell T. Davies said to him, look, we can't afford to do it

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this year.

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Can we rework it for next year series?

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And Stephen Fry said, yeah, sure.

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At which point Russell said, oh, but by the way, we have a

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completely different companion and the doctor companion dynamic

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has to be different because she loves him, but he doesn't love

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her.

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And Stephen Fry said, I'm very sorry.

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I suddenly have all the other literal things I do want television

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to do.

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Can you imagine?

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can you imagine how good Stephen Fry written story might have been

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might have been great.

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I think we've got his non-union Mexican equivalent in Mark Gatus

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probably. this is true.

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So Matthew Graham was and this story were sort of an overflow

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script after the, after the scripts that fell through last year

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such as Paul Abbott script in place of Boomtown.

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Russell Julie got permission from the BBC to overcommission.

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Right.

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But what I find very interesting looking at the production history

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of this.

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Is Matthew Graham's original idea was the Doctor and Rose would

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land on an alien planet, which was entirely monochrome.

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So the leaves, the trees, the plants, everything was monochrome

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because there was a single solitary alien on this planet who had

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discovered that just like light and heat, beauty was a form of

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energy, and he could syphon off beauty.

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And you just know that that script is going to end with Billy

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Piper strapped to a table.

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And I don't know, God, who plays, let's say whoever plays Lestrade

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in Sherlock.

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What's his name?

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Rupert Graves.

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Yeah, Rupert Graves, you know, attempting to do a Vulcan mind meld

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just as David Tennant gnashes his teeth at him to stop him.

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You know, it would have been probably a bit rubbish.

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But instead, this idea developed.

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But almost uniquely, Russell said, just start working on the

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script.

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I really love your ideas.

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And I wonder if that's part of the unevenness that there was never

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a scene by scene breakdown to work on the pacing.

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So, I mean, Matthew Graham is huge though, isn't he?

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His life on Mars and ashes to ashes, and he'll come back to the

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show in series 6 for the gangers two-parter, the name of which

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currently escapes me.

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Oh, the rebel flesh and the almost people...

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I haven't watched it for a while.

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He also wrote Biker Grove, which is like a show.

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I think it was on BBC when I was a kid about, I can't remember

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what it was about, but it was a kid show.

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I remember that.

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So he's huge, isn't he?

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He's a big deal.

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Like he's like getting Paul Abbott the previous year.

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Yeah, people know who he is.

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Yeah, this does feel like a really like they run out of money and

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they had to do a low budget story with very few effects and just

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on that street, which seems like it's a set, but I can't I can't

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tell.

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Is it a set streak?

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It's not.

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It is actually a suburban Cardiff, not only that, but the house

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that Chloe's house is a real house.

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And something I do want to praise this story for is the direction

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and especially the cinematography and lighting direction in the

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house is brilliant.

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The scenes in the kitchen where they're talking and I was watching

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this going, I don't think this is a set and I looked it up and

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it's not a set.

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They're just, it looks like they're just using natural light.

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It's television, so I know they're not.

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But they go for this verisimilitude of sort of a almost a

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documentary approach.

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Now, have either of you seen something called Ghost Watch.

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I've heard of it, and I think we have referred to it on the

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podcast before.

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I don't think so.

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I don't think so. 1992, it was a 90 minute one-off drama about a

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haunted house, but it was produced like this was a live TV

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special.

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So you had Craig Charles, Michael Parkinson, Sarah Green from

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Attack of the Sidemen, and her husband, Mike, whose surname I

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forget, playing themselves as TV hosts looking into this haunted

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house.

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What?

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And there's actually imagery from that that's borrowed here

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especially Rose being drawn into the cupboard, that happens to

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Sarah Green in Ghostwatch as well.

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There were massive complaints about Ghost Watch because there were

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some people who thought it was a documentary and scared the crap

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Basically, if you missed the 1st 5 minutes and you didn't have a

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TV guide to hand, it looked real.

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Because just before, you know, with the continuity announcement

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it's like, oh, you know, a new film from Stephen Volk.

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And in the TV guide, it was, you know, this is a mockumentary.

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But yeah, it was also the same kind of terrace housing sort of

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thing.

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Watch Ghostwatch instead, by all means.

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But I think another problem with this one is it's very heavily

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derivative.

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So it's derivative of Ghostwatch is derivative of sapphire and

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steel.

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It's derivative of invasion of the body snatchers, specifically

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the 1978 version, Matthew Graham said, was a big influence with

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how he considered the possession of Chloe, the exorcist, you

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know?

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And I think it's one of these things that references those things

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but in a sort of ready player one way of going, hey, these are

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things you like.

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I mean, even on its own terms, though, like the idea isn't

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terrible, is it?

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The idea of like an ordinary suburban street.

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I mean, it's in 2012, but that's only really for the sake of the

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Olympic thing at the end.

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It is basically a present-day suburban street where something

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terrifying is happening.

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And it's all set in the kind of houses that the viewers themselves

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are living in.

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But I just don't think it sells the horror well enough.

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And you can see them trying.

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You know, you've got Chloe as a sort of shadowy figure in the

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window.

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bit like that famous Twilight Zone episode.

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the direction makes it scary enough either.

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So it's a little bit kind of, you know, it's kids TV.

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It does really feel like a kid, like this one's written for kids

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and you're right about the street.

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It does feel like they're trying to do that thing that they often

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do on Doctor Who, which is to make the ordinary scary.

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So you know, like when they made autons ter policemen.

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It's kind of like it makes that makes some all policemen

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terrifying to kids on the street the next day, you know?

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But this street's not really.

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Yeah, there's sort of some creepy music and then there's an old

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lady, you know, warning everyone of how some scary things, but

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it's just, it doesn't really work. doesn't really sell, does it?

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that opening scene, whether a lot of people standing in the street

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expositing.

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And there's all these union jacks hanging in the windows.

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That is very weird.

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And then, yeah, there's the sort of the chabby dad with his 2 kids

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playing football.

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But I, and the old lady, you know, like that, that is a kids' TV

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performance.

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She's huge. apparently, but I didn't buy her for a 2nd because

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Edna Dore?

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Yeah, that's right.

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She was in EastEnders, I remember.

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Yeah, she was Moe.

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Moe in EastEnders.

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So, I mean, she's, you know, clearly a talented actor, but she is

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going for a sort of a kid's TV reading of what's happening and the

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dialogue doesn't help.

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Like, it just isn't in any way naturalistic.

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I can't imagine Russell writing that sort of dialogue for kind of

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normal people.

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And there were also big cuts to that sort of scene.

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The fingers on lip scene.

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There were big cuts in the arguments leading up to fingers on lips

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where Kel, the council worker actually vocalises these words

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you're giving me a complex.

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That's not something people really say.

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I will praise.

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I really like the character of Kel.

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Yeah, he's great.

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He's someone who really loves tar backing.

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I feel where he's like smoothing it over.

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He's like as smooth as a baby's bottom.

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And yeah, I really adore that.

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He's an almost Avengers style eccentric in this story, you know.

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Council workers, especially in the UK, have this reputation of, you

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know, you need 10 of them to repair a road, one to repair the road

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and tend to lean on the things, and he's never just leaning on

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something, like he's running around.

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He's doing all this work and he's really, really proud of it.

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You know, he is kind of a shining, a shining beacon of hope.

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I love, I love how when, is it Rose is trying to pickaxe the

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street and he keeps saying council, like, keeps saying, cancel.

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I'm going to report you to the council.

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Yeah, that's a council street. a council piccan.

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It's a council van, you know. really enjoyed him a lot.

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He was great.

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Yeah, there was a bit I noticed in that rant.

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And I, I, I'm not sure I can quite get it right because I rewound

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it and I, I'm still not sure I quite got, got it.

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But when he's saying, no, no, come out of the van.

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That belongs to the council.

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Oh, now you've picked up a council pickaxe.

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I think he then sometimes said something like, Actually, those are

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my tools.

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That my pickaxe, but it's in the council bag.

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Well, he gets to be kind of Billy's companion when the doctor's

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indisposed.

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I mean, he's around helping her out and I think he's really good.

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Yeah.

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Like, you did it.

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You did it.

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What did you do?

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Another thing this story sort of touches on.

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Again, it doesn't develop, but there's sort of an attitude of

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nimbism.

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Which is not in my backyard.

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And we see a lot of that here in Sydney, like with the debate over

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the last 874 years about the 2nd airport.

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Like everyone wants a 2nd airport, just not near them.

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And all these residents are sort of complaining, oh, yeah, yeah

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the council's coming here and doing this.

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And even Kel says, look, the only reason this street's been tarted

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up is that the torch is going to pass by the end of it.

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Yeah.

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So you know right from the start that there's going to be some

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kind of Olympic torch scene, because not only did they say that

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but then it's constantly referenced throughout the episode, they

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keep banging on about, it's on the TV, in the background all the

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time, and so you just know something's going to happen, and I

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cannot, we're skipping ahead, but I cannot believe they actually

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had the doctor carry the, the Olympic torch.

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That is ridiculous.

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It is so ridiculous.

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I do have to say, though, the way it ends up happening, it is kind

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of slightly better than the way we could have had it because the

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reason the street is called Dame Kelly Holmes Close.

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Dame Kelly Holmes twice gold medal winner for the UK in 2004, I

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think it was, in Athens.

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Right. 81500 metres.

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She was asked to be in the show. to be the torch runner.

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And the only reason she couldn't was, she was doing Dancing on Ice

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with Bonnie Langford and John Barraman.

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But that would mean that Dame Kelly Holmes, one of the great

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female Olympians would have had to collapse while running, which

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is her sport and be kind of rescued by the doctor.

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And this is a story in which, for all its other flaws, it does

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seek to create 2 very strong female characters in Trish and

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Chloe.

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Yeah.

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I mean, they've been through a lot, and it really struck me this

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week watching it because, of course, at the time of recording, our

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current Prime Minister, and probable non-prime Minister by the

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time this is released, on International Women's Day, which was a

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few days ago, as we record this, said, words to the effect of it

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is important to work towards women equality, but women must

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maintain their place, and that equality must not come at the

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expense of men.

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Expensive men.

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Oh, man.

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And ended up on CNN.

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Oh my god.

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I shared that on Facebook with the point of, now, Prime Minister

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all you need to say is that you look forward to a time where women

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are equal to men, to which the Prime Minister responds, yes, but

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who will the men be equal to?

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And normally I don't think I would have even thought about, you

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know, the Kelly Holmes connection and having a female Olympic

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collapse at having the doctor pick it up.

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But yeah, just with that context this week.

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And it's this whole thing of the context when you originally watch

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it compared to the context of now.

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I remember when this was 1st on, I really quite enjoyed it.

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And I think, even though it is my least favourite tenant.

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I think possibly part of that is that it comes sandwich between

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The Satan Pit 2 parter, which is excellent.

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Love and Monsters, which is excellent, and Army of Ghost

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Doomsday.

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I actually think it suffers from being in the same season as The

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Idiot's Lantern as well.

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Yeah, the Idiot's Lantern is like it's sort of like that every

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street UK thing and you're dealing with a family.

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Again with an abusive father, except it's much, much better.

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Yeah.

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And it's Eros Lynn doing both episodes as well.

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And I just don't think that helps.

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And because the idiot's lantern, like it has a lot more incident.

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The climax is much more interesting, there's a villain, which this

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lacks, and the villain is Maureen Lippman, who is incredible.

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And a lot more Union Jacks as well.

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Yeah, yeah.

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For some for sort of a more sensible reason, but it is.

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It's like another great British event where an alien intervenes.

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There an abusive father, and it ends with a street party.

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I mean, there's just too much similar.

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I do have to say, though, Dan, we are not at sea, they are union

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flags.

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And the one you've got there that I can see on the screen is

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upside down.

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String me out.

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String me out.

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Yeah, I mean, the similarities to idiot's lantern.

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It's so bizarre, considering that, you know, this is a story that

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Russell T. Davies took an interest in developing and sort of sent

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straight to script to have those similarities.

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I mean, it's not just unfortunate.

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It's a massive oversight.

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Yeah.

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I do have to say it does bring up some interesting comparisons

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though, because in this story.

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We don't see any residents of the street visiting one another.

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You know, they all keep pretty much to themselves.

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In the idiot's lantern, you know, people are being disappeared and

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everyone is just sort of, oh, you know, keep calm and carry on and

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pretend nothing's happening.

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Whereas in this, everyone's frustrated about it, but no one's

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talking about it to each other.

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You know, we've got the situation with Tommy's abusive father

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which is openly discussed with members of the family.

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You know, you ought to beat that out of him.

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Yeah.

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In the 50s. oh, you know, well that's just expected.

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Whereas in this story, it's a matter of no one talks about it.

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Even after the father is gone.

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I think that's one area where the similarity between the stories

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is successful because it doesn't, no other sort of underlines, well

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this is how we should act.

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It's just kind of, it's just kind of presented as, okay, how far

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have we come in 60 years?

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Yeah, because it's such a different time.

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This is near future, right?

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which is something I really like.

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But they do treat it so differently.

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I do, that's one of the things about this story I did really enjoy

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is the sort of father subplot, how they sort of, they sort of

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skate around it a lot, like especially when their mum talks about

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it.

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They kind of skate around what he did and what happened and what

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happened to him and then Nina, so Sonia is so good in this.

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But she, like she hasn't got a lot to do, often she's just sort of

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standing around being scared of her daughter and stuff like that.

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But the bits where they talk about where she talks about the

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father or there's the confrontation at the end, I think those are

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the bits where she's best and where they all, they'll do really

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well.

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I think it's one of the best parts of the story.

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I always feel a bit sad that they wasted her on this episode when

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she is so incredibly good.

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And she had such chemistry with Tenant in Casanova.

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She's just terrific in that.

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And here I kind of think that the story needed a sort of tighter

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focus, that, you know, there is an attempt to draw a parallel

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between the isolation that Chloe feels after her father's died and

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her mother stopped talking about him.

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But kind of the space alien thing.

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And the whole episode grinds to a halt for a couple of minutes

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while the doctor explains its life cycle.

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And it's life cycle is kind of stupid and it doesn't really have

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any parallels with, you know, really mean to care about it that

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much.

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But like you were saying, yeah, the sort of parallel between the

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alien stuff can close isolation because of her dad.

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That's the whole story.

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That's a good story.

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Like if you blow those 2 things up to fill the whole story.

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It would be great.

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And a lot tighter.

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And particularly, you know, like the father in the cupboard.

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I think is that picture, we see it for such a short amount of time

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and it's so scary.

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And then the voice is incredibly good.

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Like, I think that that's really great.

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But again, it doesn't really properly fit.

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And, you know, there's this sort of ionic energy or whatever the

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ion solace projects which does whatever the plot needs it to do.

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And like that's not necessarily a fault.

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I mean, I've said before that I think the angels in blink. designed

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to do exactly what the plot of blink needs them to do.

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They don't really make sense in themselves.

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So the father comes to life when the isolus leaves for no sort of

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readily apparent reason.

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And I'm not sure what it's doing emotionally for Chloe either.

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Like we've heard that she has nightmares and that she screams in

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her nightmares and it becomes clear that that's she's dreaming

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about her father's mistreatment of her.

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But it just seems like there's all sorts of bits and pieces around

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that, but it never sort of coheres into a kind of proper story.

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And I think a well-directed, properly scary kind of suburban

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Gothic that was about Trish and Chloe dealing with the aftermath

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of the father's abuse would have been really good, but maybe they

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back off it because it's a kid's show or they just don't think the

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Doctor Who has the dramatic weight for it or something, but it

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just never coheres around that idea, I think.

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Yeah, it's all a bit disparate.

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There's lots of little bits and bobs here and there that are

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good.

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But they sort of, maybe they're trying to do too much and it all

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kind of flies apart a little bit.

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I do also wonder if this episode's status as a replacement script

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kind of does in for it because I can imagine, you know, we've got

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Stephen Fry.

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This is amazing.

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Oh, no, we've lost Stephen Fry not to denigrate Matthew Graham at

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all, but I imagine they were just relieved to have something that

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was shootable.

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Because...

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Just watching it.

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I, I kind, it's my thing.

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I kind of make connections and I just think to myself, with a

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couple of days polishing, you can connect all these disparate

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elements.

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So, for instance, Chloe's dad is on a wall in the cupboard.

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Are you going to do your Brendan head cannon?

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I think we can make everything.

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Yeah, excellent.

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So you've got in the cupboard, Chloe's dad, right?

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But then literally the other side of the room.

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You've got all of Chloe in the eyes, Dollar's other drawings.

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And she says to those drawings, I've put you together. given you

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friends.

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I've made you happy.

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So Chloe and the Isola.

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So looking out on this street where no one really talks to each

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other and finding a way for them to be together on the wall and

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it's still never enough and it's still never enough.

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But the one person who's not allowed on the wall ever is Chloe's

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dad.

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Chloe's dad has to be hidden away, but he still needs to be drawn

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to get him out of Chloe's head so she can focus on the work.

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Something else I noticed when I was watching this was early on

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when Chloe threatens to draw her mother.

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Chloe's talking to her mother and we see her face fully, but when

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she says, unless you want me to draw you, her mouth is hidden.

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And I think that's a conscious choice of who's speaking.

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You know, it's kind of like Toby and the devil a few weeks ago.

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Um, and so straight away, with that, you tie together the

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isolation of modern life, you tie together Chloe's isolation.

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You tie together why she's drawn dad in the cupboard.

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You know, as for why does dad come to life, like they have a

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little bit of ADR with rose where she goes, all the drawings have

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come to life.

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I think that the idea of isolation, which is something that you

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said that you noticed, Brendan, has a difference between this and

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idiot's lantern.

496
00:24:52.859 --> 00:24:57.000
That idea is undermined by the fact that they're all standing

497
00:24:57.000 --> 00:24:59.700
around in the street talking to one another about the problem.

498
00:24:59.759 --> 00:25:03.960
Well, but they that only happens because of the problem.

499
00:25:04.019 --> 00:25:08.160
Yeah, but also the fact that Dale, the 1st kid that we see

500
00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:12.180
disappearing is actually playing a game in the front yard with one

501
00:25:12.180 --> 00:25:12.779
of his mates.

502
00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:13.799
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

503
00:25:13.920 --> 00:25:18.480
I mean, the other thing is, like, as cute as the bit with the cat

504
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:21.839
is, you know, the cat a cat goes into a box and disappears.

505
00:25:21.900 --> 00:25:22.920
Shading his cat.

506
00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:28.980
And apparently apparently the cat was a right little moggy to work

507
00:25:28.980 --> 00:25:29.339
with.

508
00:25:29.339 --> 00:25:34.079
And the scenes we see in the episode, it's being coaxed along with

509
00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:36.420
fishing wire, which had to be digitally removed.

510
00:25:36.539 --> 00:25:38.940
I think...

511
00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:42.420
I actually think that I spotted and, you know, I'm watching it on

512
00:25:42.420 --> 00:25:45.599
a sort of big 60 inch TV on Blu-ray.

513
00:25:45.660 --> 00:25:48.660
I think I spotted some cat food.

514
00:25:48.900 --> 00:25:51.660
Oh yeah, yeah, they were toasting with me food as well.

515
00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:56.279
But, you know, I was watching that going, once the doctor and Rose

516
00:25:56.279 --> 00:25:58.140
arrived, no other kids disappear.

517
00:25:58.440 --> 00:26:03.059
And I was thinking, what if instead of the cat, you had like a 10

518
00:26:03.059 --> 00:26:04.740
year old boy going, oh, my mates are gone.

519
00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:05.339
I'll help you.

520
00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:05.940
I'll help you.

521
00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:10.140
And, you know, him helping the doctor and Rose then gives them, oh

522
00:26:10.140 --> 00:26:13.619
greater impetus because they've, they've met someone who this is

523
00:26:13.619 --> 00:26:14.160
affecting.

524
00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:19.619
Because Dr. and Rose, again, we've got this whole thing this

525
00:26:19.619 --> 00:26:22.140
season where, you know, they're a bit arrogant and they're a bit

526
00:26:22.140 --> 00:26:22.500
aloof.

527
00:26:22.500 --> 00:26:24.720
Like when they go to see Trish and Trish says, no, I don't want

528
00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:25.019
your help.

529
00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:27.660
They just go, oh, okay, and wander off. that's hilarious.

530
00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:30.960
Well, I mean, that's, you know, that's a deliberate ploy.

531
00:26:31.019 --> 00:26:34.079
We see that they're reverse psychologising.

532
00:26:34.140 --> 00:26:35.640
Yeah, and they walk off.

533
00:26:35.700 --> 00:26:36.359
A grown woman.

534
00:26:36.420 --> 00:26:36.779
Yeah.

535
00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:39.960
But it is, there's a sort of arrogant assumption that they can

536
00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:41.400
manipulate people.

537
00:26:41.460 --> 00:26:42.539
Yeah, yeah.

538
00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:45.720
Whereas, you know, I think a little bit of emotional connection

539
00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:46.380
here would help.

540
00:26:46.440 --> 00:26:49.740
And we kind of get it when, you know, when Rose is saying to the

541
00:26:49.740 --> 00:26:51.960
doctor, oh, this is just a kid's temper tantrum and the doctor's

542
00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:55.079
saying, no, this is a complex thing and children can be complex

543
00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:56.579
and it's loneliness.

544
00:26:56.640 --> 00:27:00.539
And at 1st Rose goes in and she starts shouting at Chloe, but then

545
00:27:00.539 --> 00:27:01.619
she realises, well, hold on.

546
00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:04.980
You know, just being all high and mighty isn't going to work

547
00:27:04.980 --> 00:27:05.220
here.

548
00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:10.079
I have to try and persuade you and convince you and I think that

549
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:13.079
helps soften some of the arrogance we've been getting from these 2

550
00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:13.680
recently.

551
00:27:13.740 --> 00:27:17.339
A bit like when Rose confronts Elton last week.

552
00:27:17.819 --> 00:27:22.980
But again, it's just another idea sort of floating in this story

553
00:27:22.980 --> 00:27:25.079
that isn't ever quite tight down.

554
00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:28.920
And I think, it just needed, it just needed more work with the

555
00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:31.259
script and I know it was a late commission.

556
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:37.680
But I kind of feel with, you know, last week being Russell T

557
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:41.400
Davies love letter slash commentary on fandom and next week being

558
00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:43.799
the season finale, this falls through the cracks a little bit

559
00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:44.400
unfairly.

560
00:27:53.460 --> 00:27:55.859
Let's talk about the doctor in Rose.

561
00:27:56.220 --> 00:28:02.099
So we get a great joke when they 1st arrive, something that's

562
00:28:02.099 --> 00:28:02.519
never happened before.

563
00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:07.799
I couldn't, I, when that happened, I couldn't believe I'd, they'd

564
00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:08.339
never done it before.

565
00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:10.019
The materialisation gag?

566
00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:10.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

567
00:28:10.740 --> 00:28:11.940
It's really funny, isn't it?

568
00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:14.460
And there's a sign on the gate saying do not park in front of this

569
00:28:14.460 --> 00:28:16.980
gate, which I think is kind of awesome as well.

570
00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:20.640
And that was something that was in Matthew Graham's script from

571
00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:21.480
the very beginning.

572
00:28:21.539 --> 00:28:24.480
Like that, it wasn't something Aerosling came up with.

573
00:28:24.539 --> 00:28:26.339
It was Matthew Graham going.

574
00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:30.660
How come the TARDIS always lands like in a convenient spot, you

575
00:28:30.660 --> 00:28:30.900
know?

576
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:35.880
Yeah, no, that's super cute. that's really terrific.

577
00:28:35.940 --> 00:28:39.359
And, you know, the doctor's burbling about sort of various

578
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:41.220
Olympics and things that he's been to.

579
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:43.440
So they're clearly here to see the Olympics.

580
00:28:44.819 --> 00:28:50.759
How do we feel about what they're like at this point because we've

581
00:28:50.759 --> 00:28:53.220
complained a bit about the relationship between the doctor and

582
00:28:53.220 --> 00:28:56.160
Rose and maybe we've complained a little bit about Rose.

583
00:28:56.220 --> 00:29:01.559
Um, you know, being a bit selfish and a bit thoughtless.

584
00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:06.180
And here, I think in this story, they maintain a kind of distance

585
00:29:06.180 --> 00:29:09.599
that they maintain in tooth and claw, where they seem to be

586
00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:14.579
outside and kind of above what's going on.

587
00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:17.339
I agree with that.

588
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:22.140
But I do think that Rose shows a bit more empathy than she does it

589
00:29:22.140 --> 00:29:26.880
other times, this series, particularly something that's always

590
00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:31.740
rubbed me up the wrong way with Idiot's lantern is when Mr

591
00:29:31.740 --> 00:29:32.940
Connolly leaves.

592
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:35.700
Rose sort of says to Tommy, oh no, no, you should go after him.

593
00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:36.900
He's your dad, blah, blah, blah.

594
00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:40.920
And it's kind of like, that's not a good enough reason by itself.

595
00:29:40.980 --> 00:29:41.579
Yeah.

596
00:29:41.579 --> 00:29:47.640
You know, Whereas here, when Trish is telling her about Chloe's

597
00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:51.059
dad, she just kind of listens and asks questions.

598
00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:53.339
She doesn't offer any judgements.

599
00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:57.180
And I think that's really important because something the

600
00:29:57.180 --> 00:29:59.819
production team were very aware of was dealing with an issue like

601
00:29:59.819 --> 00:30:05.880
child abuse in a meaningful, respectful way.

602
00:30:06.180 --> 00:30:11.460
And I mean, I feel they could have possibly gone further, but I

603
00:30:11.460 --> 00:30:12.779
don't think they do it wrong.

604
00:30:12.900 --> 00:30:16.140
Yeah, I think they handle it as best as they could.

605
00:30:16.259 --> 00:30:20.400
And part of that is Rose's reaction, I think, because she's us.

606
00:30:20.460 --> 00:30:22.140
Yeah, she's the audience.

607
00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:25.920
And her sort of non-judgmental reaction, I think, is really

608
00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:26.339
important.

609
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:27.660
It's something the story does get right.

610
00:30:27.779 --> 00:30:29.819
That's such a heavy part of the plot.

611
00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:30.660
Yeah, I think you're right.

612
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:31.440
They don't do it wrong.

613
00:30:31.500 --> 00:30:33.359
There's just not, I think there could have been more of it.

614
00:30:33.420 --> 00:30:33.900
Yeah.

615
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:34.740
Yeah.

616
00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:36.240
Clearer focus on it, I think.

617
00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:39.720
The other kind of issue that people have mentioned from time to

618
00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:43.440
time is just kind of the optics of the scary abusive father who's

619
00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:45.900
a sort of giant black guy as well.

620
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:50.940
And it is always this sort of weird problem with representation

621
00:30:50.940 --> 00:30:51.299
isn't it?

622
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:55.079
Like we've had 2 abusive fathers, this season.

623
00:30:55.140 --> 00:30:57.720
One of them was a cartoon white guy.

624
00:30:57.779 --> 00:31:02.099
And then, you know, well, I guess this guy's a cartoon as well

625
00:31:02.099 --> 00:31:02.759
isn't he really?

626
00:31:02.819 --> 00:31:04.019
almost literally.

627
00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:08.279
Yeah, but, you know, it's hard to know exactly how to think about

628
00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:08.519
that.

629
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:14.519
Within the context of the season where you've had actors of colour

630
00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:18.119
and major roles, you've had Zachary Crossflame, who was a very

631
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:19.740
effective leader.

632
00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:21.660
Wonderful, wonderful.

633
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:24.480
Next week we're going to have Dr. Singh.

634
00:31:24.539 --> 00:31:26.279
We're going to have Adiola.

635
00:31:26.339 --> 00:31:29.819
Now, obviously they both meet a horrible fate, but Dr. Singh is

636
00:31:29.819 --> 00:31:31.200
very brave and very intelligent.

637
00:31:31.259 --> 00:31:34.859
We've got Mickey back next week as well, becoming the hero.

638
00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:38.700
I'd forgotten that. looking forward to that now.

639
00:31:40.380 --> 00:31:44.279
There is something to be read in that.

640
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:49.500
But at the same time, if we're going to have a story about an

641
00:31:49.500 --> 00:31:55.619
abusive father, Who, who whether you visually cast in that role.

642
00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:57.839
There's going to be questions to be asked about that.

643
00:31:57.900 --> 00:31:58.380
Sure.

644
00:31:58.380 --> 00:31:59.160
Yeah, sure.

645
00:31:59.220 --> 00:32:01.680
And we don't have an actor in that role.

646
00:32:01.740 --> 00:32:03.240
I mean, we just have a voiceover guy.

647
00:32:03.299 --> 00:32:04.140
Yeah, exactly.

648
00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:11.640
And the script, I believe, for the family was if you like colour

649
00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:12.180
neutral.

650
00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:17.460
So the script describes them, that a bit like when Harry Potter

651
00:32:17.460 --> 00:32:21.720
and the Cursed Child cast, a black actor as Hermione, J.K. Rowling

652
00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:24.839
pointed out, I've only ever described Hermione's hair, and the

653
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:31.440
description for Chloe's dad was pitted skin, bearded, close

654
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:33.059
cropped hair, and big.

655
00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:37.259
So I don't I don't know if the other 2 were described in the

656
00:32:37.259 --> 00:32:39.119
script, but I don't think they were from what I've read.

657
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:45.299
Just back to Billy and David for a second.

658
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:48.359
They don't get as many light moments of like camaraderie in this

659
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:51.660
one as they do in others, but Billy does get to do something, which

660
00:32:51.660 --> 00:32:53.819
is one of my favourite things and when it happens in the new show

661
00:32:53.819 --> 00:32:56.940
is when the doctor is gone or disappears and the companion has to

662
00:32:56.940 --> 00:32:58.140
be the doctor for a little while.

663
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:02.400
I really love that, even though it's, she has to do is that weird

664
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:04.140
impossible gravity defying throw.

665
00:33:05.700 --> 00:33:08.819
But there's a bit where she gets to be the doctor and she gets to

666
00:33:08.819 --> 00:33:12.000
pick a hole in the road and run around and shout.

667
00:33:12.059 --> 00:33:14.220
I think it was really, it was fun. enjoyed it.

668
00:33:14.339 --> 00:33:16.859
It's another parallel with Idiot's lantern, isn't it?

669
00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:20.759
Where the threat is that you get turned into some kind of media

670
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:24.720
some kind of image, and it happens to beilly in the idiot's

671
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:25.140
lantern.

672
00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:29.400
It happens to the doctor in this one at about the halfway and then

673
00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:32.279
the other one of them has to sort of go around and sort of help

674
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:32.640
them out.

675
00:33:32.700 --> 00:33:36.059
I think it's a little bit of a shame that even though the doctors

676
00:33:36.059 --> 00:33:40.619
are drawing, he's the one who solves the problem.

677
00:33:40.619 --> 00:33:41.640
Oh, yeah, he does.

678
00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:43.920
And he points to the drawing of a torch.

679
00:33:43.980 --> 00:33:44.640
Yeah, yeah.

680
00:33:44.700 --> 00:33:47.579
In fact, he does the drawing of a torch somehow is the implication

681
00:33:47.579 --> 00:33:47.880
as well.

682
00:33:47.940 --> 00:33:49.799
Well, little tiny thing.

683
00:33:49.859 --> 00:33:52.920
What does he have earlier in the TARDIS when he erases scribble

684
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:53.279
creature?

685
00:33:53.339 --> 00:33:54.779
He has a pencil in his pocket?

686
00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:55.680
In his pocket.

687
00:33:55.740 --> 00:33:56.099
Yeah.

688
00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:57.900
And also, I really love the scribble creature.

689
00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:00.240
Oh, I was hoping we won't get to this.

690
00:34:00.299 --> 00:34:02.519
I love this cribble crew just because they did it so well.

691
00:34:02.579 --> 00:34:05.940
And then it's just like this superimposed scribble flying through

692
00:34:05.940 --> 00:34:08.340
the sky and it sounds like you imagine an angry scribble would

693
00:34:08.340 --> 00:34:08.519
sound.

694
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:09.360
Yeah, yeah.

695
00:34:09.420 --> 00:34:12.659
And then, um, but he shrinks it and then it's suddenly tangible

696
00:34:12.659 --> 00:34:13.679
that little thing that he holds in his hand.

697
00:34:13.739 --> 00:34:15.360
I thought that was seamless and I loved it.

698
00:34:15.420 --> 00:34:17.159
It's terribly good, isn't it?

699
00:34:17.219 --> 00:34:20.039
It actually manages to be sort of properly frightening and

700
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:20.760
intimidating.

701
00:34:20.820 --> 00:34:24.179
It's like physically, you know, it feels like it's right on top of

702
00:34:24.179 --> 00:34:24.719
Billy.

703
00:34:24.780 --> 00:34:27.780
It seems like it's right in her face and it's moving really

704
00:34:27.780 --> 00:34:30.239
rapidly and it does look kind of angry.

705
00:34:30.300 --> 00:34:31.920
It's like an angry scribble.

706
00:34:31.980 --> 00:34:33.539
Even though it's just so silly.

707
00:34:33.599 --> 00:34:37.079
Like, it's a silly on paper. an angry scribble, an angry scribble

708
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:38.039
follows Rose down the street.

709
00:34:38.099 --> 00:34:41.460
It's like, when she's sort of doing it on the paper and you can

710
00:34:41.460 --> 00:34:44.639
see, you really see how like frustrated she is, you really get

711
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:44.880
that.

712
00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:47.880
And then it translates immediately to that terrifying angry

713
00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:49.320
scribble, which is so good.

714
00:34:49.380 --> 00:34:50.039
I loved it.

715
00:34:50.099 --> 00:34:54.780
Do you think that that kind of high concept is something that

716
00:34:54.780 --> 00:34:58.920
makes it play less well with kind of Doctor Who fans?

717
00:34:58.980 --> 00:35:01.980
I'm not a very good fan in that I don't keep track.

718
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:05.400
I don't actually know that this one was widely disliked because

719
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:09.719
I'm terrible at keeping up with like sort of greater fan opinion.

720
00:35:09.780 --> 00:35:11.400
That's very wise.

721
00:35:11.460 --> 00:35:13.019
Well, it's not through.

722
00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:13.739
It's not deliberate.

723
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:14.639
I'm just very legal.

724
00:35:14.699 --> 00:35:18.000
Yeah, yeah, like, well, yeah, Fear her is getting off pretty

725
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:18.719
lightly this week.

726
00:35:18.780 --> 00:35:21.900
This week we're all angry about not seeing a polished Patrick

727
00:35:21.900 --> 00:35:23.760
Trouton in animated form.

728
00:35:23.820 --> 00:35:31.619
But that scene also prefigures Rose becoming the doctor because

729
00:35:31.619 --> 00:35:35.219
when she hears the thing, like she's very doctorish and she's

730
00:35:35.219 --> 00:35:37.980
saying not going to open it, not going to open it, not going to

731
00:35:37.980 --> 00:35:38.340
open it.

732
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:39.539
No, I'm opening it.

733
00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:44.760
It's Davidson flipping the coin and they're walking in the other

734
00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:45.119
direction.

735
00:35:45.179 --> 00:35:46.320
Yeah.

736
00:35:46.380 --> 00:35:47.400
It's really good.

737
00:35:47.460 --> 00:35:51.480
But that whole idea of people being trapped as drawings and like

738
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:55.199
animated drawings, like cartoon people, you know, Dale gets turned

739
00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:57.900
into a cartoon and sort of runs straight at the camera.

740
00:35:58.019 --> 00:36:00.599
Yeah, at the start, like that, and I mean, that just before the

741
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:04.860
sting, there's the kid runs screaming sort of towards the paper, I

742
00:36:04.860 --> 00:36:05.039
guess.

743
00:36:05.099 --> 00:36:06.179
Yeah, coming towards you.

744
00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:08.639
And that was so, that was, I forgot if that happened because I

745
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:10.139
haven't seen this since it aired.

746
00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:12.179
And actually freaked me out a little bit.

747
00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:12.659
It was good.

748
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:16.139
I was expecting to have a lot more animated drawings in the, in

749
00:36:16.139 --> 00:36:19.440
the, in the episode, but they, I guess they blew their budget on

750
00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:19.860
that.

751
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:21.659
Yeah, yeah.

752
00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:25.920
I mean, this episode, in terms of CG was super cheap.

753
00:36:25.980 --> 00:36:29.940
Like there are fewer than 10 CG shots, I believe.

754
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:33.179
I actually think too, and we'll talk a little bit more about this

755
00:36:33.179 --> 00:36:40.380
later, but the thing where the isolas pod hits the Olympic Torch.

756
00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:43.500
There is a line of dialogue later that suggests that it was struck

757
00:36:43.500 --> 00:36:46.139
by lightning, but I didn't see any light.

758
00:36:46.500 --> 00:36:47.280
That's right.

759
00:36:47.340 --> 00:36:48.780
That was a bit of a mist it, wasn't it?

760
00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:49.199
Yeah.

761
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:50.639
Maybe they cut it out or something.

762
00:36:50.699 --> 00:36:53.880
They just forgot to, they said, actually, not going to do that.

763
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:54.179
Yeah, yeah.

764
00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:57.000
We don't know what we're going to do yet because we've only got 10

765
00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:57.719
10, 10 bucks.

766
00:36:57.780 --> 00:36:58.800
So don't know.

767
00:36:58.860 --> 00:37:02.940
The weird thing for me is, and yeah, answers on the back of a

768
00:37:02.940 --> 00:37:03.960
postcard, dear listeners.

769
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:08.519
I watched this on the Blu-ray for the 1st time in preparation of

770
00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:08.699
this.

771
00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:09.840
And I am certain.

772
00:37:09.900 --> 00:37:15.179
I am certain that on broadcasting on DVD, when the pod hits

773
00:37:15.179 --> 00:37:19.320
there's a little sort of extra gush of flame, sort of thing.

774
00:37:19.380 --> 00:37:20.820
It's not on the Blu-ray.

775
00:37:21.059 --> 00:37:26.039
I watched it on a streaming service in Australia called Stan, and

776
00:37:26.039 --> 00:37:30.360
there was there was a brief little extra gout, but I do remember

777
00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:32.760
I'm sure I remember in broadcast that it was quite a dramatic

778
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:35.519
flame out, you know, like quite a long one.

779
00:37:35.579 --> 00:37:38.639
Because he freaks, the torch runner kind of freaks out a little

780
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:38.820
bit.

781
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:39.719
Yeah, yeah.

782
00:37:39.780 --> 00:37:43.980
And then, I don't know, is that, is the, the Isolus pod going into

783
00:37:43.980 --> 00:37:47.400
the, the, um, torch, the reason that he sort of collapses later

784
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:49.079
because I couldn't figure out why he fell down.

785
00:37:49.139 --> 00:37:51.599
Yeah, I think that's what we're, I think that's what we're meant

786
00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:53.820
to believe, but...

787
00:37:53.940 --> 00:37:54.420
Why?

788
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:57.780
That was my favourite thing about that is that, you know, because

789
00:37:57.780 --> 00:38:00.659
I think Nathan, you said earlier that the person gets rescued by

790
00:38:00.659 --> 00:38:01.800
the doctor, but he totally doesn't.

791
00:38:01.860 --> 00:38:03.900
The doctor just like picks up the torch and keeps running.

792
00:38:03.960 --> 00:38:07.199
He's like, leaves in there. stop to see if the guy's right.

793
00:38:07.260 --> 00:38:08.880
No, going to take this torch for some reason.

794
00:38:08.940 --> 00:38:11.460
And the commentator actually says the words.

795
00:38:11.519 --> 00:38:13.739
Does this mean the Olympic dream is dead?

796
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:15.480
It was so bad.

797
00:38:15.539 --> 00:38:19.139
Because that is the kind of thing the announcer would say. like, I

798
00:38:19.139 --> 00:38:20.579
have no idea what to say.

799
00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:21.539
I'm going.

800
00:38:21.659 --> 00:38:24.480
It going to be as bad as it possibly can be because that way if it

801
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:29.940
is bad, I got to say it was bad 1st and if it's not, then it's

802
00:38:29.940 --> 00:38:30.119
bad.

803
00:38:30.179 --> 00:38:33.420
He was he was a real low point for me as a Hugh Edwards.

804
00:38:33.480 --> 00:38:34.860
I put him in the bin.

805
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:36.119
Oh, yeah.

806
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:37.559
Really, really terrible.

807
00:38:37.619 --> 00:38:38.639
The writing.

808
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:39.900
Two bar writing.

809
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:44.340
So we had some great luck last year with Andrew Marr, I think.

810
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:47.159
You know, he was fabulous.

811
00:38:47.219 --> 00:38:51.119
But 0 my god, Hugh Edwards was just shockingly bad.

812
00:38:51.179 --> 00:38:56.519
And it turns out he did go on to commentate on the Olympic opening

813
00:38:56.519 --> 00:38:58.920
ceremony in real life.

814
00:38:58.980 --> 00:39:01.320
So he's a beloved BBC newsreader.

815
00:39:01.380 --> 00:39:04.079
But I mean, that whole thing kind of makes no sense.

816
00:39:04.139 --> 00:39:07.199
And we've got no money and we're trying to recreate the Olympics

817
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:08.280
opening ceremony.

818
00:39:08.340 --> 00:39:12.599
And so you've got this distant shot of Cardiff Millennium stadium

819
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:18.480
with some sort of CG flash bulbs, you know, sort of thrown in.

820
00:39:18.539 --> 00:39:18.960
Oh, yeah.

821
00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:22.440
And then you get these shots with a doctor, but no other people in

822
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:26.039
shot because we can't possibly afford that as he kind of runs up.

823
00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:29.039
Runs up the steps of the millennium stadium.

824
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:30.119
Yeah, carpet on.

825
00:39:30.179 --> 00:39:33.360
There's big red steps at a Dutch angle, so you can't see anything

826
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:33.539
else.

827
00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:34.920
No, that's right. was quite funny.

828
00:39:34.980 --> 00:39:40.860
He lights the thing and then he does this sort of fist pump thing

829
00:39:40.860 --> 00:39:44.400
which is his most punchable moment as the doctor.

830
00:39:44.460 --> 00:39:46.260
It's so bad.

831
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:48.539
It's so, so embarrassing.

832
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:49.980
He actually woos, doesn't he?

833
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:50.940
He says, woo, yeah.

834
00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:53.579
It's just so very it's very weird.

835
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:56.219
And it's like, is he enjoying being in the spotlight or

836
00:39:56.219 --> 00:39:56.460
something?

837
00:39:56.519 --> 00:39:58.079
Is he just happy that they won?

838
00:39:58.139 --> 00:40:02.699
Or does he have to put the torch in the flame to send the Isolas

839
00:40:02.699 --> 00:40:02.940
home?

840
00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:03.599
Yes, yeah.

841
00:40:03.659 --> 00:40:04.139
Yeah.

842
00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:09.300
Yeah, because it needs to feel the love of the whole stadium.

843
00:40:09.300 --> 00:40:11.699
And the end, right?

844
00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:14.400
So Chloe draws the crowd.

845
00:40:14.460 --> 00:40:17.460
And that drawing's really great in the picture of her, the little

846
00:40:17.460 --> 00:40:20.340
animation, like they speed up someone drawing and I think the

847
00:40:20.340 --> 00:40:21.300
drawings all look really good.

848
00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:24.300
I do like the bit where they spit up the hand. really fun.

849
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:27.000
Yeah, it looks really good and obviously, you know, it would have

850
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:30.000
been tiresome to watch for minutes on end drawing, so we have to

851
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:30.780
do it anyway.

852
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:34.619
But everyone disappears from the stadium.

853
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:37.079
But the thing just keeps on going now.

854
00:40:37.139 --> 00:40:40.559
We're going to do the torch relay, you know, and we'll get

855
00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:41.400
everyone's back.

856
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:46.139
At that moment, I was just imagining all of the, um, all of the

857
00:40:46.139 --> 00:40:49.019
horrible cheap hot dogs and beers that people have been holding

858
00:40:49.019 --> 00:40:51.480
had fallen onto their seats and smashed everywhere.

859
00:40:51.539 --> 00:40:54.300
And then all these people had reappeared and sat down on their, on

860
00:40:54.300 --> 00:40:54.599
their food.

861
00:40:54.659 --> 00:40:56.579
Or on poking glass or whatever.

862
00:40:56.639 --> 00:40:56.820
Yeah.

863
00:40:56.880 --> 00:40:58.920
I don't know why they thought of that, but that was just like, oh

864
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:00.119
God. stupid.

865
00:41:00.179 --> 00:41:02.340
I mean it is really, really stupid.

866
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:06.659
And like Doctor Who's been stupid in a sort of acceptable way

867
00:41:06.659 --> 00:41:09.059
before, but we can't afford to realise it.

868
00:41:09.179 --> 00:41:10.679
So we don't see anyone disappear.

869
00:41:10.739 --> 00:41:11.400
We get told it.

870
00:41:11.460 --> 00:41:13.380
We don't see them reappear.

871
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:17.099
You know, we don't get anyone sort of high-fiving anyone or

872
00:41:17.099 --> 00:41:17.340
anything.

873
00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:21.000
You know, like nothing, you know, and we like Christmas invasion.

874
00:41:21.059 --> 00:41:24.659
We seem to see dozens and dozens of people affected, you know, and

875
00:41:24.659 --> 00:41:28.619
going up onto the roof and people talking and people relieved when

876
00:41:28.619 --> 00:41:29.219
it was all over.

877
00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:33.239
This giant event, we just can't afford to see it at all.

878
00:41:33.300 --> 00:41:36.420
And it's just hard to know what it's doing there.

879
00:41:36.539 --> 00:41:38.639
I don't mind it so much.

880
00:41:38.699 --> 00:41:40.860
I'm willing to let that one go.

881
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:42.480
I just would have could have done without the Saccharin Street

882
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:43.380
party at the end.

883
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:47.940
I was so surprised that I was so sure that the chabby dad was

884
00:41:47.940 --> 00:41:50.219
going to say something, you know, like makes you proud to be

885
00:41:50.219 --> 00:41:51.420
British or something like that.

886
00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:52.320
I just cannot...

887
00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:54.840
I'm so surprised they didn't they didn't do that because it was

888
00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:55.619
awful.

889
00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:57.599
Yeah, even the even the chabby street pay.

890
00:41:57.659 --> 00:41:59.099
Like, Rose turns up with a cake.

891
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:00.119
Where is the rest of the cake?

892
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:06.539
Did the budget stretch to one cupcake with edible ball bearing?

893
00:42:06.780 --> 00:42:12.360
I mean, you know, we we we found out later, David Tennant had to

894
00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:14.579
go off and have a tooth replaced because they couldn't even afford

895
00:42:14.579 --> 00:42:16.679
edible ball bearings and they were just real ball bearings.

896
00:42:16.739 --> 00:42:17.280
Wow.

897
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:18.599
No one told him.

898
00:42:18.659 --> 00:42:19.559
Oh, no.

899
00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:22.079
They put them in Carol Anne Ford sandwich as well.

900
00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:27.420
Just every sandwich she ever had while she was on the show.

901
00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:29.639
That's why she left.

902
00:42:29.699 --> 00:42:32.400
It's been a year, a year of ball bearings.

903
00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:35.219
I can never see Ian McCellen again.

904
00:42:38.940 --> 00:42:41.460
Back to those drawings.

905
00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:42.719
That's one of the things I liked.

906
00:42:42.780 --> 00:42:45.420
I like that wall of drawings that she had. is a couple of shots

907
00:42:45.420 --> 00:42:49.079
later where they sort of walk in on her and she's just sat on the

908
00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:50.880
bed surrounded by this creepy wall of drawings.

909
00:42:50.940 --> 00:42:51.599
I did really like that.

910
00:42:51.659 --> 00:42:52.860
It was cool.

911
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:56.519
Also, Bridget, I don't know why, but whenever Bridget and I watch

912
00:42:56.519 --> 00:43:00.059
something that's got a teenager's bedroom is in it, like on TV or

913
00:43:00.059 --> 00:43:03.179
in a movie, I start hawking on the set dressing because I have

914
00:43:03.179 --> 00:43:06.000
never seen anything in fiction where a set dresser accurately

915
00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:07.440
reproduces a teenager's bedroom.

916
00:43:07.500 --> 00:43:10.559
It's just like hilariously watching an adult trying to remember

917
00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:12.480
what a teenager's bedroom is supposed to be like, and there's

918
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:14.760
always, always a musical instrument.

919
00:43:14.820 --> 00:43:16.380
There's always a guitar in the background.

920
00:43:16.380 --> 00:43:17.820
And I was just looking for a guitar.

921
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:18.900
There is a keyboard.

922
00:43:20.340 --> 00:43:24.960
And there's an expedit shelf just covered with the stupidest crap

923
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:28.619
you've ever seen, the blobbiest art, the stupidest knickknacks.

924
00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:31.440
And it's just, I was just imagining the set dresser with 0 budget

925
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:33.000
going, how do I do a teenager's bedroom?

926
00:43:33.059 --> 00:43:35.219
There's a lot of IKEA furniture in it.

927
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:38.159
Like a lot of visibly IKEA furniture in it.

928
00:43:47.219 --> 00:43:51.840
When I was at university, there was a cinema not far from it, so

929
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:55.139
real art house cinema called the Valhalla, and every kind of

930
00:43:55.139 --> 00:43:59.400
student accommodation thing would have a Valhalla poster in it and

931
00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:02.519
it had little pictures and stuff and they would always be showing

932
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:05.099
wings of desire and the quiet earth and stuff like that.

933
00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:07.920
But one of the films that was always on it was a thing called

934
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:08.760
Paperhouse.

935
00:44:08.820 --> 00:44:10.860
Did you ever, did you know about this?

936
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:14.579
So it's based on a novel by Catherine's store called Marianne

937
00:44:14.579 --> 00:44:17.460
Dreams, which is sort of mid-20th century.

938
00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:18.900
I'm not exactly sure when it's from.

939
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:22.260
And it's a little girl and she has a fever.

940
00:44:22.380 --> 00:44:25.980
I think she has glandular fever maybe and she's kind of isolated

941
00:44:25.980 --> 00:44:33.539
at home and she starts drawing this house and then when she has

942
00:44:33.539 --> 00:44:38.699
her fever dreams, she's trapped in that house and she meets

943
00:44:38.699 --> 00:44:40.380
someone that she's drawn.

944
00:44:40.380 --> 00:44:43.739
And it's super beautifully directed in a way that this episode

945
00:44:43.739 --> 00:44:44.579
isn't.

946
00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:47.699
And it's incredibly frightening.

947
00:44:47.699 --> 00:44:50.880
And there's one scene, I think, where she draws her father and I

948
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:54.659
can't remember the details, but she scratches his face out.

949
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:58.980
And when she appears in the dream, he's rampaging around the house

950
00:44:58.980 --> 00:45:04.260
after her because she's blinded him, it's so frightening and I

951
00:45:04.260 --> 00:45:09.960
just can't help thinking that that has to be one of the kind of

952
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:11.699
inspirations for this.

953
00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:13.980
I remember very little about it.

954
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:15.719
I'll put stuff in the show notes about it.

955
00:45:15.780 --> 00:45:19.619
I do remember Glenn Hedley was the mother and she's fabulous.

956
00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:23.699
So like that was a thing, but it was, it's a really effective and

957
00:45:23.699 --> 00:45:29.280
really, really frightening film about childhood that uses the same

958
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:32.760
medium to kind of explore childhood trauma.

959
00:45:32.820 --> 00:45:37.619
Only it does it in a really, really atmospheric and effective

960
00:45:37.619 --> 00:45:38.039
way.

961
00:45:38.219 --> 00:45:41.460
That sounds really deep and interesting in a way that this episode

962
00:45:41.460 --> 00:45:42.420
really isn't.

963
00:45:42.780 --> 00:45:44.159
Yeah, that's right.

964
00:45:44.219 --> 00:45:47.280
But it's so easily could have been. you know, like it so easily

965
00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:47.820
could have been.

966
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:51.960
It's certainly gesturing towards there, but just not getting

967
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:52.199
there.

968
00:45:52.380 --> 00:45:55.860
I don't think we specifically mentioned it, but I do want to

969
00:45:55.860 --> 00:45:58.980
praise Abby Solar Aggbaji, who plays Chloe.

970
00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:05.340
I think I think she does a very, very good job, especially because

971
00:46:05.340 --> 00:46:08.159
we don't really see Chloe.

972
00:46:08.219 --> 00:46:12.179
You know, we see Chloe just at the end when she runs to her mum

973
00:46:12.179 --> 00:46:14.280
and the sort of final threat.

974
00:46:14.340 --> 00:46:17.880
But even so, I get the impression throughout the episode.

975
00:46:17.940 --> 00:46:23.099
Yeah, we've got the scenes where she's purely isoless and we've

976
00:46:23.099 --> 00:46:27.059
got the scenes where she's Chloe trying to understand what's

977
00:46:27.059 --> 00:46:27.420
happening.

978
00:46:27.420 --> 00:46:30.840
And I think she really sells that because there's quite a few

979
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:33.960
times where she says, you know, get away from me, mum, but it

980
00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:35.699
never feels like I hate you.

981
00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:39.780
It feels more like I don't know what's happening, keep your

982
00:46:39.780 --> 00:46:40.139
distance.

983
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:41.460
I don't know what this is.

984
00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:47.099
And yeah, I think she does a really excellent job.

985
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:49.380
She didn't have much TV experience.

986
00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:54.480
Andy Pryor had seen her in the theatre and decided, you know, I

987
00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:57.780
think she'll be good for this part, but also, interestingly, I

988
00:46:57.780 --> 00:47:00.360
read this in Doctor the Complete History, and I'll actually read

989
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:01.440
the exact quotation.

990
00:47:01.739 --> 00:47:06.059
It was decided that the Webber family should be black, although

991
00:47:06.059 --> 00:47:10.139
few black child actors were put forward by agents for the role of

992
00:47:10.139 --> 00:47:10.440
Chloe.

993
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:15.300
It doesn't specify as to why, whether the agents didn't have many

994
00:47:15.300 --> 00:47:19.619
black children on their books, if they weren't of the correct age

995
00:47:19.619 --> 00:47:23.699
but that's part of the reason that Abby Solo was cast.

996
00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:29.699
And I think she brings a stage presence to the role, if you like

997
00:47:29.699 --> 00:47:35.519
there is sort of an ingenue quality to her, which makes her very

998
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:37.500
real as a lonely child.

999
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:43.320
You know, she's not grand as a performance like this might be.

1000
00:47:43.380 --> 00:47:45.360
She's very quiet and very internal.

1001
00:47:45.420 --> 00:47:49.199
Yeah, that's something that I noticed because they don't give her

1002
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:49.619
a lot.

1003
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:50.820
They don't put a lot on top of her.

1004
00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:54.900
Like when she is sort of voicing the isolus, uh, and when she's

1005
00:47:54.900 --> 00:47:57.059
angry later, she kind of speaks in a whisper.

1006
00:47:57.119 --> 00:48:00.480
And I think there's a tiny bit of treatment on her vocals, but I

1007
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:02.579
would have expected them to put, like, you know, a real heavy

1008
00:48:02.579 --> 00:48:05.940
filter over it. like it was sort of control from ghost-like, kind

1009
00:48:05.940 --> 00:48:09.239
of a sound over a voice to make distinguish that as the alien.

1010
00:48:09.300 --> 00:48:10.679
But they didn't really give her anything.

1011
00:48:10.739 --> 00:48:13.199
So effectively, she's just doing kind of a harsh whisper, which is

1012
00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:14.880
like, seemed quite hard to do.

1013
00:48:14.940 --> 00:48:18.659
And that's all she's got to make herself kind of a scary alien.

1014
00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:20.340
I think she does pretty well.

1015
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:23.280
I would have lost the whisperer, I think.

1016
00:48:23.340 --> 00:48:27.539
I think that we would understand that she was a possessed alien if

1017
00:48:27.539 --> 00:48:28.920
she just got to use her normal voice.

1018
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:31.500
And I actually think she struggles a bit with the whisper.

1019
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:33.179
I think the whisper is crap.

1020
00:48:33.239 --> 00:48:35.880
I think it a crap idea, but like, what I mean, what I mean is, like

1021
00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:39.059
even, even though they, all they gave her to use was, well, they

1022
00:48:39.059 --> 00:48:40.679
suggested she do is give her a whisper.

1023
00:48:40.739 --> 00:48:43.440
I still think she's quite believable, like she does really well.

1024
00:48:43.500 --> 00:48:46.079
I actually think too, when she's lying on the bed and she's

1025
00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:47.699
possessed and she's drawing at the same time.

1026
00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:49.440
Like, that's stupid.

1027
00:48:49.500 --> 00:48:51.119
I don't know why they thought that that was a good thing.

1028
00:48:51.179 --> 00:48:54.840
Oh, see, I think it's really great because, you know, it is an

1029
00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:55.679
exposition dump.

1030
00:48:55.739 --> 00:48:56.519
Yeah.

1031
00:48:56.519 --> 00:48:59.460
As you said earlier today, like the whole plot stops to tell us

1032
00:48:59.460 --> 00:49:00.900
what the isolas are.

1033
00:49:01.019 --> 00:49:03.780
It means it breaks that up a bit.

1034
00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:07.380
So it breaks it up 1st with the illustrations and then with the

1035
00:49:07.380 --> 00:49:10.320
actual flashback. of the creature coming to her.

1036
00:49:11.460 --> 00:49:15.539
Again, it's an example of the tone being a bit weird that we have

1037
00:49:15.539 --> 00:49:22.440
this story that ends with a mother and daughter sort of stepping

1038
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:25.860
out of the shadow of an abusive man from their past.

1039
00:49:26.099 --> 00:49:29.099
After they overcome that, we don't see them again.

1040
00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:31.079
We go back to the doctor and Rose, you know, we don't see them

1041
00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:32.579
coming out and enjoying the street party.

1042
00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:36.539
It's been it's, you know, it's been implied that Chloe was lonely

1043
00:49:36.539 --> 00:49:39.059
and didn't play with the other kids even before this, Chloe could

1044
00:49:39.059 --> 00:49:41.099
have come out and played with the other kids.

1045
00:49:41.219 --> 00:49:45.119
You know, do the other kids know what has happened to them?

1046
00:49:45.179 --> 00:49:47.519
Like, is this going to be really awkward for Chloe?

1047
00:49:47.579 --> 00:49:48.659
I would have...

1048
00:49:48.659 --> 00:49:50.280
They don't want to play with her anymore.

1049
00:49:50.340 --> 00:49:51.119
Definitely not now.

1050
00:49:51.179 --> 00:49:52.980
They all just kind of pop back into existence.

1051
00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:55.559
And I don't know if you noticed, but I thought, all the kids that

1052
00:49:55.559 --> 00:49:57.480
kind of popped back into existence were kind of, they were kind of

1053
00:49:57.480 --> 00:49:57.719
gross.

1054
00:49:57.780 --> 00:50:00.659
There's that kid who pops back in the alleyway and he's got that

1055
00:50:00.659 --> 00:50:02.519
sort of like weird thatch of hair.

1056
00:50:02.579 --> 00:50:03.780
He was I was like, put him back.

1057
00:50:04.920 --> 00:50:08.760
His dad's hot though, so it's all good.

1058
00:50:08.820 --> 00:50:12.300
But also that kid who comes back in the alleyway, the doctor and

1059
00:50:12.300 --> 00:50:15.000
Rose say he cycled in one end and never cycled out the other.

1060
00:50:15.059 --> 00:50:16.079
I'm sorry.

1061
00:50:16.139 --> 00:50:17.760
How are you getting a bike through there?

1062
00:50:18.300 --> 00:50:22.559
It's like a foot and a half wide at the corners.

1063
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:24.960
And also he doesn't come back with his bike.

1064
00:50:25.019 --> 00:50:27.239
He comes back having to jump towards a brick wall.

1065
00:50:27.300 --> 00:50:28.860
Brave actor, I must say.

1066
00:50:29.159 --> 00:50:32.579
And then they all run back to their mums like it's the end of

1067
00:50:32.579 --> 00:50:35.219
Indiana Jones in the Temple of Doom. silly.

1068
00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:38.519
Yeah, well, I suppose, you know, they've been in the illusory

1069
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:43.079
world of the isolus, so they haven't had to have a bath or change

1070
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:46.920
their clothes or defaecate or anything. think they'd be busting

1071
00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:47.400
wouldn't you?

1072
00:50:47.460 --> 00:50:50.280
Well, unless Chloe drew it, you know, you don't know what she was

1073
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:51.659
drawing in the...

1074
00:50:51.659 --> 00:50:52.739
Just labouring.

1075
00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:56.519
I'll do you next and then you, then you. draw a toilet, but then

1076
00:50:56.519 --> 00:50:57.539
I'm erasing it, okay?

1077
00:50:57.599 --> 00:50:58.500
Okay.

1078
00:51:06.059 --> 00:51:11.400
Look, I just would have liked to see a little bit of Chloe and

1079
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:12.900
Trish getting back to normal.

1080
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:13.440
Yeah.

1081
00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:16.619
You know, because we have we have an implication of that, but yeah

1082
00:51:16.619 --> 00:51:19.920
still, the last time we see them, is they're sat with their backs

1083
00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:24.300
against the door, sort of, ideas kind of thing.

1084
00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:25.019
Yeah.

1085
00:51:25.019 --> 00:51:27.780
Does the doctor do they just shout through the letter to the

1086
00:51:27.780 --> 00:51:28.559
letter slot?

1087
00:51:28.619 --> 00:51:28.920
Bye.

1088
00:51:28.980 --> 00:51:31.800
You guys seem, you guys seem fine now, all finished.

1089
00:51:31.860 --> 00:51:32.219
See you.

1090
00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:35.400
Sorry about the pickaxe to the door, you know, open plan.

1091
00:51:35.460 --> 00:51:39.179
We've got cakes to eat I mean, it just shows a lack of interest in

1092
00:51:39.179 --> 00:51:40.500
that as the theme.

1093
00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:43.559
You know, like if they had properly foregrounded that as the

1094
00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:43.860
theme.

1095
00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:47.400
If that was definitely what the episode was about, then they would

1096
00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:48.360
definitely have done it.

1097
00:51:48.420 --> 00:51:52.079
But the episode doesn't seem to be about anything in particular.

1098
00:51:52.139 --> 00:51:57.059
And so that scene which, in retrospect, is absolutely crucial

1099
00:51:57.059 --> 00:51:57.719
isn't it?

1100
00:51:57.780 --> 00:51:58.920
And you have to have a scene.

1101
00:51:58.980 --> 00:52:01.679
You're right, where she interacts with other kids.

1102
00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:05.880
The scene with the dad almost feels like an afterthought, like as

1103
00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:07.559
if the Olympic Torch thing is the climax.

1104
00:52:07.619 --> 00:52:11.400
And it's sort of, that's, the whole thing goes kind of wrong for

1105
00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:14.760
me because to me, the story is about the kid and her isolation and

1106
00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:17.880
this sort of hinted out backstory with her dad, but instead of

1107
00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:19.139
they make it about a space flower.

1108
00:52:19.260 --> 00:52:20.460
Yeah, yeah.

1109
00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:22.920
I mean, even the idiot's lantern had that scene.

1110
00:52:22.980 --> 00:52:27.239
You know, it's the scene that I think is a bit iffy, but possibly

1111
00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:31.800
deliberately iffy where Tommy goes after his dad, you know, not to

1112
00:52:31.800 --> 00:52:34.679
say, hey, come back to the house, but just to kind of go, look

1113
00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:38.519
we're still family, in spite of everything.

1114
00:52:38.579 --> 00:52:40.679
I mean, he's still escorting him off the premise.

1115
00:52:40.739 --> 00:52:41.880
Still escorting him off the ground.

1116
00:52:41.940 --> 00:52:42.780
You know, it's...

1117
00:52:42.780 --> 00:52:48.239
But it addresses the fact that these 2 people's lives will go on

1118
00:52:48.239 --> 00:52:50.219
regardless of what happens.

1119
00:52:50.340 --> 00:52:54.179
Here, the emphasis at the end get shifted to, okay, we have to

1120
00:52:54.179 --> 00:52:57.000
foreshadow the season finale.

1121
00:52:57.119 --> 00:53:00.960
And it's just kind of like, I think you could do both.

1122
00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:05.880
Even if it's just Trish and Chloe wandering out on the street and

1123
00:53:05.880 --> 00:53:08.400
waving to the doctor and going to join the party, it doesn't need

1124
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:09.000
dialogue.

1125
00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:10.739
You know?

1126
00:53:10.739 --> 00:53:13.800
Yeah, instead we get the, um, actually, it's like the dorkiest

1127
00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:14.159
way.

1128
00:53:14.219 --> 00:53:16.800
It's like the dorkiest way I've ever seen this done where someone

1129
00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:19.500
says there's a storm coming or there's a storm brew in me.

1130
00:53:19.559 --> 00:53:21.900
He says, there's a storm's approaching.

1131
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:23.699
It's like I was like, what?

1132
00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:24.659
What?

1133
00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:26.940
It's the lamest way to say that ever.

1134
00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:28.500
Oh, it was great.

1135
00:53:55.559 --> 00:53:59.400
Well, listeners, David Tennant has completely ruined the opening

1136
00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:02.760
ceremony, and Billy Piper's telling anyone who listened that she

1137
00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:04.860
plans to stay on Doctor Who forever.

1138
00:54:04.920 --> 00:54:08.699
Still, the next time trailer looks promising, so we'll see you

1139
00:54:08.699 --> 00:54:10.500
next week for Army of Ghosts.

1140
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:14.579
In the meantime, you can find us at flightthroughentirety.com

1141
00:54:14.579 --> 00:54:18.179
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1142
00:54:18.179 --> 00:54:19.199
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1143
00:54:19.260 --> 00:54:23.219
You can also find us on our other podcasts, our series 11

1144
00:54:23.219 --> 00:54:27.179
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1145
00:54:27.179 --> 00:54:31.679
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1146
00:54:30.420 --> 00:54:31.679
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1147
00:54:31.739 --> 00:54:35.639
And they're also both on Twitter, Facebook, and Apple podcasts.

1148
00:54:35.699 --> 00:54:37.800
Where can people find you, Dan?

1149
00:54:37.860 --> 00:54:42.179
Well, you can find, you can find us uh new to who.com or on iTunes

1150
00:54:42.179 --> 00:54:44.760
or wherever you get your podcasts and you can find us on Twitter

1151
00:54:44.760 --> 00:54:46.199
at new to who podcast.

1152
00:54:46.260 --> 00:54:50.760
Until next time, may all the most pivotal events in your life be

1153
00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:54.239
accompanied by a running commentary from beloved TV newsreader

1154
00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:55.260
Hugh Edwards.

1155
00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:58.619
Thank you very much for listening and good night. feel like a

1156
00:54:58.619 --> 00:55:00.059
beacon of hope and love right now.

1157
00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:00.659
Good night.

1158
00:55:00.780 --> 00:55:02.159
Truh.

1159
00:55:05.219 --> 00:55:08.280
That was Flight through Entirety, starring Nathan Bodley, Brendan

1160
00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:10.139
Jones, and Daniel from New to Who.

1161
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:12.719
Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, Strings Performance by Jane

1162
00:55:12.719 --> 00:55:13.559
Orberg.

1163
00:55:13.619 --> 00:55:17.039
This episode, most punchable moment, was recorded on the 10th of

1164
00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:19.920
March 2019 and released on the 26th of May.

1165
00:55:20.820 --> 00:55:24.840
The isolus joins a long list of Doctor Who aliens and planets

1166
00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:27.900
named after their most obvious characteristic, including the dry

1167
00:55:27.900 --> 00:55:31.679
planet Zeridius, the desperate planet desperous, the slithering

1168
00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:34.860
monster known as the slither, and the planet refuses, where

1169
00:55:34.860 --> 00:55:37.619
everyone refuses not to be in a very silly story.

1170
00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:40.260
What do you think?

1171
00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:42.659
We talked about the end of the episode.

1172
00:55:42.719 --> 00:55:43.920
Yeah, yeah.

1173
00:55:43.980 --> 00:55:46.019
We're over an hour in.

1174
00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:47.699
I think we, what do you think?

1175
00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:48.119
Yeah.

1176
00:55:48.179 --> 00:55:48.840
Yeah, feel good.

1177
00:55:49.260 --> 00:55:50.820
That was great.

1178
00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:51.780
I think that's really good.

1179
00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:53.519
I'm going to do my...

1180
00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:55.860
Edwards, right?

1181
00:55:55.920 --> 00:55:56.699
Not Evans.

1182
00:55:56.760 --> 00:55:57.840
I think it's Edwards.

1183
00:55:57.900 --> 00:55:58.860
I don't really have anything else.

1184
00:55:58.920 --> 00:55:59.820
Edwards, yeah.

1185
00:55:59.880 --> 00:56:04.199
No, the Hugh Evans, Hugh Evans was the name of the guy who did

1186
00:56:04.199 --> 00:56:07.980
mastermind in Australia back in the...

1187
00:56:09.659 --> 00:56:12.599
Did you guys have your own an Australian version of Mastermind?

1188
00:56:12.659 --> 00:56:13.980
So you didn't just screen the British one.

1189
00:56:14.039 --> 00:56:14.519
Oh, wow.

1190
00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:23.159
If you go, I don't know if it's still there, but ABC, I view.

1191
00:56:23.219 --> 00:56:26.039
If you search for something called When TV was awesome.

1192
00:56:26.099 --> 00:56:27.000
Oh right.

1193
00:56:27.059 --> 00:56:32.639
It's redubs of 1970s TV, including some redubs of mastermind.

1194
00:56:32.699 --> 00:56:36.239
I remember Mastermind. so well I remember British mastermind

1195
00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:39.300
because it seemed like it was from the 60s even when it was in the

1196
00:56:39.300 --> 00:56:40.260
80s because yeah.

1197
00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:42.360
So you mean redubs?

1198
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:43.500
Do you mean comedy redubs?

1199
00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:44.940
Comedy redubs?

1200
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:51.420
So this redub of mastermind is called Bastard. where the host is

1201
00:56:51.420 --> 00:56:55.440
insulting the question is and they lose if they call him a

1202
00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:55.980
bastard.

1203
00:56:56.639 --> 00:57:00.780
But the other brilliant one they do is man boat.

1204
00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:03.300
With just patrol boat.

1205
00:57:03.780 --> 00:57:05.519
Man boat.

1206
00:57:05.579 --> 00:57:07.980
I just thought when I said when TV was awesome.

1207
00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:11.219
I assumed it was just some like, and, you know, it's one of those

1208
00:57:11.219 --> 00:57:14.219
things of, you know, 20, 20 and 20, like one of those things where

1209
00:57:14.219 --> 00:57:16.380
they just interview about old TV and how great it was or

1210
00:57:16.380 --> 00:57:16.559
something.

1211
00:57:16.679 --> 00:57:21.119
No, it's like, it's Harry Butler and all sorts of 70s shit that I

1212
00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:24.900
grew up with or being redubbed by hilarious.

1213
00:57:24.900 --> 00:57:26.039
Like a barjas type thing.

1214
00:57:26.099 --> 00:57:30.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, very, very, very like barge arson Hercules

1215
00:57:30.059 --> 00:57:30.599
returns.

1216
00:57:30.780 --> 00:57:31.320
Yeah.

1217
00:57:31.559 --> 00:57:33.059
All right.

1218
00:57:33.420 --> 00:57:37.079
Did we talk about the frosty breath and like the fact that it's

1219
00:57:37.079 --> 00:57:38.039
meant to be July and...

1220
00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:41.400
Oh, because they say it's cold. didn't they say it's cold because

1221
00:57:41.400 --> 00:57:42.360
the alien or something like that?

1222
00:57:42.420 --> 00:57:44.039
Yeah, they're the alien goes.

1223
00:57:44.099 --> 00:57:44.579
It still cold.

1224
00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:46.320
It takes a while to walk.

1225
00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:47.340
It takes a while to warm up.

1226
00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:49.739
The doctor says, why is it so cold?

1227
00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:51.420
I was like, because you're in London.

1228
00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:52.739
But they do it again.

1229
00:57:52.800 --> 00:57:56.400
Like it's in, do you remember when they're in the Dubai desert and

1230
00:57:56.400 --> 00:58:01.079
then they go to, you know, Ed Thomas's usual factory for the

1231
00:58:01.079 --> 00:58:04.500
spaceship interiors and it's really cold and we get some dialogue

1232
00:58:04.500 --> 00:58:07.320
explaining why it's really cold there, there's always some space

1233
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:10.139
reason why it's being shot in the middle of winter.

1234
00:58:10.199 --> 00:58:13.619
I mean, this is, yeah, this one, though, is the whole ridiculous

1235
00:58:13.619 --> 00:58:14.460
thing off.

1236
00:58:14.519 --> 00:58:17.820
Let's write a story based around the Summer Olympics.

1237
00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:20.639
Yes, and film it in January.

1238
00:58:20.699 --> 00:58:21.360
Yeah.

1239
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:24.599
But that's like, that's like the runaway bride where it's like

1240
00:58:24.599 --> 00:58:26.039
incredibly hot.

1241
00:58:26.099 --> 00:58:29.159
You know, like there's a massive heat waving sun everywhere.

1242
00:58:29.219 --> 00:58:32.400
Yeah, but the thing is though, right?

1243
00:58:32.460 --> 00:58:36.300
Matthew Graham's original pitch is let's have a desolate world

1244
00:58:36.300 --> 00:58:40.260
where everything's gray and we'll even be shooting it in January

1245
00:58:40.260 --> 00:58:42.900
and Russell goes, no, let's set something during the summer.

1246
00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:45.840
Yeah, where they did that in quality and space anyway.

1247
00:58:45.900 --> 00:58:49.739
You can cut this, but you can cut this, but I don't I don't think

1248
00:58:49.739 --> 00:58:51.719
the drug stopped after Quira's photos.

1249
00:58:52.860 --> 00:58:53.519
No.

1250
00:58:53.519 --> 00:58:55.500
Yeah.

1251
00:58:55.559 --> 00:58:56.340
Nice.

1252
00:58:56.400 --> 00:58:58.739
That does explain end of time part two.

1253
00:58:58.860 --> 00:59:00.659
Ecky Tuesday.

1254
00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:01.199
Oh man.

1255
00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:04.199
See, I actually have a bigger problem with part one.

1256
00:59:04.260 --> 00:59:06.599
I have a bigger problem with part one.

1257
00:59:06.659 --> 00:59:08.159
Part one could be 15 minutes long.

1258
00:59:08.280 --> 00:59:10.380
I love the cliffhanger.

1259
00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:12.840
Look, if you absolutely, I'm on board for the cliffhanger.

1260
00:59:12.900 --> 00:59:16.440
I'll watch I'll watch Timothy Dalton, like gurning and hamming in

1261
00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:17.159
anything, I don't care.

1262
00:59:17.219 --> 00:59:17.579
It's fine.

1263
00:59:17.639 --> 00:59:18.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1264
00:59:18.480 --> 00:59:21.360
That's Alright.