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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight for Entirety, the

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only Doctor Who commentary podcast whose keyword is respect.

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Anyone who breaks these rules inadvertently or deliberately

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toothbrush.

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Understood?

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm James I'm Todd.

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I'm Peter, and I'm an acrylic Henry Hoover, full of Evelyn Waugh's

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awful offerings for this one.

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Well, so here's the background.

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This is another of our commentary podcast.

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In July 2017, just 2 years ago, we asked you to vote on 4 possible

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stories for this commentary.

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As if it was yesterday.

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So it was the mark of the Rani, the mysterious planet, terror of

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the vervoids, and revelation of the Daleks.

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And the winner, Richard's Choice, again, with 45% of the vote was

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Revelation of the Dialect.

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So we've got our DVD ready to go.

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We're on the main menu with sort of play all selected, and we'll

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press the play button when you next hear me say the code word

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spielsnape.

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Okay, I'm going to lean over and... many safe words being given

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away.

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He's for free, no extra charge.

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Wow.

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Imagine using the word spielsnape in a sort of intimate. that a

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safe word?

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James and I have never had to use our safe words, have you?

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What the same safe word?

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All right.

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We share a flex.

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Okay, we're ready to go.

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And I'm going to press Spielsnape.

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And we're off.

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So I'm going to play a drinking game with your listeners for this

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episode.

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I'd like to know what the revelation is.

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So every time you hear me say, that's a revelation or some

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variation, you need to take a drink.

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Ah, see, I always just assumed that we had genesis of the Daleks

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which is the 1st book of the Bible, and then we had resurrection

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which happened somewhere in the middle, I think, from memory.

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And then we have Revelation.

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So we're just, we're...

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I'm very disappointed we've missed out on the Leviticans of

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the...

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Leviticus of the numbers of the Dale.

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Luke of the Dale.

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Yeah, 1st Corinthians of the Daleks.

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Alright.

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So here is who's our director, Peter?

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Graham Hopper.

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Because it, I was going to say it's one of the best openings since

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Pat Trouton landed on a beach.

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It just has, doesn't that feel atmospheric?

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And doesn't it look cold?

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That's a revelation.

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Don't you?

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Just warming you up.

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Don't you think that he is desperate to recreate Caves of

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Androzani?

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It is the same opening?

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So a photographer of a distant planet than the 2 of them sort of

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wandering out and talking, but also just the complexity of the

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world.

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One of the things that we've said about Sayward is while he might

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not be great, he's kind of capable of recognising things that are

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great.

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And so a mashup of Ks of Andrazani, which is brilliant and evil

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laws, Evelyn was the loved one, you know, also brilliant.

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This doesn't feel like, like our standard take on, say, what does

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it when you think back to what we've thought in the past.

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I think both those stories are great.

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I remember saying...

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I remember saying that that was the best of the, of, say it

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scripts.

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I think this one easily is his best script.

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Have we all watched our season 19 box?

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Have we unearthed out and opened down?

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Oh, I know it pretty well.

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The earth shock one does hold up quite well, doesn't it?

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I love the score.

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Love bit of earth, love the direction. and I like the pace and I

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I think, I think if we had just done that that once, we, I would

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be happier about it, but given that we then remake it every 6

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months afterwards until, say, we decides to go away.

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Could you not say that of Evelyn Wars, bright young things

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period?

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The mutant thing has just taken the nut roast role.

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Is that what it is?

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Oh, and it just exploded.

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You know, you don't have those.

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That's a revelation. deadly.

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So, um, the mutant is, of course, played by Sir Lawrence Olivier.

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It's actually played by someone called Ken Barker, who I've never

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heard of.

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He does great job.

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But wasn't there some talk?

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Yes, JNT wanted Sir Lawrence, who I think it had become known to

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him. would be interested in role on the show and said, okay, we've

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got to have a character that's all on location.

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So I know what.

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We've got this character who comes out and rolls around in the

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snow with the doctor and goes, ah, let's offering to Sir Lawrence

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which they did, and Sir Lawrence politely declined.

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That's insane because I would have thought it would have been much

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better to offer him the role of the father in the glass Dalek.

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You know, that to me would be much more logical.

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Anything involving heavy makeup.

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But I mean, it's just such an outlandish idea.

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I've got a great role for you so, Lawrence.

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Can you drool?

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Tell me, Larry, darling.

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Can you drool?

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It's famous miserable bastard. here he is Very own Clive Swift.

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Uh, a.k.a.

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Richard.

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I didn't know you were in Doctor Who, Richard.

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This is I'm glamorous.

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Still a black bulb. for this story.

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I wonder where that will lead us.

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This opening scene is marvellous, the way it sets up the world

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pulling right back from the sarcophagus up the top, introduces all

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the characters.

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And we have Colin Spall as well, don't we?

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Is he lilt?

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lilt.

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And he will be, he was in our, um, Sigment 2 parter in series

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two.

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So one of Graham Harper's old school friends, I think we decided.

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Didn't Brendan say that?

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It was like, um, it was like Graham Harper only an actor.

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I think this is one of the few 80 stories.

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It looks like it's had a tone meeting.

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Yeah, things on board.

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Do you think there's been a crisis of consciousness for this one?

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I think Scram Harper.

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Tot and Peter. they've looked at it and said, hm, this season has

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been, um, because they were getting responses, weren't they?

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already that the media had been...

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Look, it hadn't been negative for the season, had it?

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Not overall, but it, yeah, it had quieted.

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So we've already had the announcement that it won't be back next

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year.

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That happens during the 2 doctors.

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So we already know that, but everything's in the can by that

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point.

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And, you know, the more I think about season 22.

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Like, I don't like it very much, but it does seem to be trying to

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do something a bit different.

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And I think it's something that's a little bit ill advised.

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But here, there's a sort of fantasy world thing so that the

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grossness of it isn't.

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I mean, it's our 3rd story with cannibalism in it for the season.

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She's collecting things.

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That's a revelation.

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I've never seen her do that before.

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First time ever.

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Sorry to interrupt you.

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She's decided to be a botanist.

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Yes.

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What did you say?

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Hey, I'll give Eric so good credit for this.

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He hasn't forgotten the roots of the character.

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Oh, please.

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But he gets it right, doesn't he?

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He gets the relationship between the doctor and Perry Wright, and

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it's probably the only time this season.

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It is, it's better, isn't it?

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It is.

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It's played with humour.

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So they're kind of sniping at each other like an old married

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couple, but in the end, they do like each other.

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And there's a number of times in this story where they meet.

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Revelation.

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Who knew Jenny Thomason was playing a dual role?

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I'm not going to that day, spa.

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That's a really, really strong chemical peel.

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So he will drool on Colin in a minute.

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So do keep an eye out.

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I'm having real Joan Plough, right?

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You know, everyone's going to just get changed. up for anything.

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But yes, I mean, they actually get the relationship right.

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And there's a number of times in this story where the doctor and

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Perry catch up and the 1st thing they say to each other is, are

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you all right?

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And, you know, I was worried about you.

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It kind of works.

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I think people generally sort of say that that kicks in at

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Mysterious Planet, but I think you're right to kind of locate it

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earlier.

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It is kind of the worst thing about Perry, isn't it?

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That, you know, in every story, including this one, she is just

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being manhandled by men, um, and dragged around and stuff, and, and

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in fact, the character of the, um, DJ is a nice relief from that.

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He doesn't, he's not lusting after her at all.

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They wanted to play the DJ.

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So Lawrence Olivier?

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Jenny Thomasson?

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Roger Daltry.

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Me too.

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They did.

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That's right.

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Again, politely decline.

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From his palatial terrace.

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The use of big sticks by Perry kills people.

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That's a revelation.

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No, she's killed someone.

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This is Perry's 1st murder for the story. for the for her time on

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the show.

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Does she do that to Jamie as well and the 2 doctors?

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Does she give him a whack?

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Am I thinking of that rice?

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She's bit aggressive.

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She's, well, Jamie didn't even get a chance to dance his K, but

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there's a revelation right there.

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There you go.

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But we forget how hot the casting of this was at the time, this

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was absolutely on au courant.

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Not just for young ones, but Lexi Sale had a really thriving punch

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you in the face stand-up, which was stand-up, you know, in the

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circuit crowd.

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So the young folk watching this were going, yeah, yeah, especially

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the London crowd.

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This definitely feels absolutely of the moment.

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It's just missing Grace Jones.

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Yeah, in that little scene. playing Orsini.

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Naked in body paint.

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That would be mildest.

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It's, yeah.

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Do you think he's playing against type because he's actually

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really quite sweet in this, whereas he, no.

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Alexi Sale, because, I mean, he was, you know, sort of angry and

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communist.

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Well, he's very communist.

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His parents and he, when he was a lad, his dad was a steward for

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in a Liverpool factory, but he was flown to, they were flown to

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Moscow as ambassadors for the party and shown off to the holiday

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camps. they made, like, make buttlings look like Disneyland.

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He said he's allowed. was awful.

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They put him off state communists.

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How many gunfire shots do they?

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But the poor guard just gets riddled with bullets.

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Oh, you see, I actually have a problem with those 2 characters.

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I think that they're the least successful characters in the

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story.

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But also, it sort of shows how much the series moral compass has

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kind of come off that they're meant to be good guys.

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They're sort of a, you know, a concerned daughter and a doctor

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who's accompanying her.

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And they think nothing of just gunning this guard down in machine

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gun fire.

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What happened to good guys kind of knocking out guards to get into

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places?

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Well, it is his attempt to be kind of edgy and stuff and remember

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that Holmes's story, the previous year, that this is very largely

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based on, has no good guys in it.

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Like everyone is awful.

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And so we're trying to replicate that here.

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There are no good guys in this story.

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It's like a melted pizza.

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Oh, stop it. making me hungry.

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But this again was the tenure of stand-up at the time.

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We were in the middle of, dare I say, the beginnings anyway of

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neoliberalism and Thatcher had been there for how many years was

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it, James?

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Six?

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900?

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Yeah, 5 or six.

285
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So again, there was the sense of, will this pleasure ever cease?

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Yeah.

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And we weren't, we didn't have the innocence that we had under

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Harold McMillan.

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We didn't have the innocence that we had when Heath was around. or

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the hope, you could say, there was this sense of just brittle

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burnt irony.

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And that's why I mean, this is very much of its time.

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It should have been very successful.

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This is the thing we felt...

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Listen to the commentaries that you did of season 22, gentle

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listener, if you go back to it.

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This is better than the received opinion.

298
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Yeah, I think that's true.

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I think it's probably the best story of the season.

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It's certainly the most successful, I think. works on so many

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levels.

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What do you think is the best, Peter?

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Pharos.

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Do you?

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I think Varos is terribly overrated.

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Um, Ideas wise though.

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Yeah, it's got a big idea at the centre of it.

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That's true.

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And it does build a world.

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I mean, the world doesn't look particularly successful on screen

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but I believe the world has allegory.

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It's entirely contemporary, as is this.

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This isn't entirely successful.

314
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No, but it's a trial. be successful.

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Have a look at this.

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It's where the person comes into shot here and their feet aren't

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on the floor.

318
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Yeah, yeah.

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That's where it is.

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You'd had everyone in long shots, so you'd been able to see their

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feet, it would have looked like...

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So you feel like the that it's going down the floors rather than

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being just a patent video effect.

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That's right.

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And so the fact that someone walks into frame and their bum is

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where the floor should be, if your brain was processing it, doesn't

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work.

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But it is also that idea that a lot of this is mediated through

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television.

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So we're talking about Varos and Varos is about people watching

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Doctor Who.

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And part of the thing that I like about Varos is that it imagines

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Doctor Who as being an incredibly crappy program.

334
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So what the people are watching on Varos is terrible.

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And here, everyone's watching things, everyone's on screens and

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stuff.

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So having that effect, which looks like the V hole, the vertical

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hold on your, like Richard is old enough to remember this as well

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think we all are.

340
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That's a revelation.

341
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Now, I think she's terrific.

342
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She's fantastic.

343
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Yep, absolutely superb.

344
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I can't believe that there's controversy over the fact that was

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she giving a performance as a feeble character or was she giving a

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feeble performance?

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performance is excellent.

348
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No, she manages to be downtrodden and a bully and unlikeable.

349
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I the intruders.

350
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Do you know, do you know that there is actually something to

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that?

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The beginning of this scene was cut.

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And I've seen the start of this scene.

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I can't remember how I don't know if it's on the DVD.

355
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And she has this very weird performance moment where her and

356
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Tarkas are talking.

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And he says something like, oh, you've got to let it get out of

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frustrations.

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She turns around, she goes, shut up.

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And it's the weirdest performance moment.

361
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You can see why they cut it.

362
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So they cut in just after that.

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And it gives context to her strange thing there where she goes

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fine, Ian Trudeau's.

365
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So there we go.

366
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I actually find the DJ really annoying.

367
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I kind of love him.

368
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And of course he's annoying.

369
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Yeah.

370
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And it's the one thing, the story that I don't like.

371
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So Lawrence, we've got a great role for you.

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Alexi Sal.

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I don't remember it working at the time.

374
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The Alexei sailing, so it's just felt, again, odd, but we weren't

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living, we weren't in the UK.

376
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Yeah.

377
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I guess the thing is that it pays off in the 2nd episode where I

378
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really do like him when he drops the axe.

379
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Yeah, yeah.

380
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And so I've grown to like it a lot more, but I still find it, I

381
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don't know.

382
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I don't know what's happening in even in universe.

383
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So these people are in suspended animation, but they're conscious

384
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enough to hear him talking to them.

385
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Like, this is like hospital radio, isn't it?

386
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You know, in Britain, hospitals had their own radio station.

387
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And so that's very much what this is.

388
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And so the people who are frozen in suspended animation waiting to

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be revived, who are really just being sort of chopped up and sold

390
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to their relatives to eat in a traditional season 22 way

391
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McDonald's, McDonald's.

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But we're supposed to imagine that they're that they're listening

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and they're being entertained.

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I gather that they actually pay money for the deluxe package, which

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includes the DJ talking to you.

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Why would you want to listen to a local like hospital radio

397
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station work?

398
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Would you not just listen to a radio station?

399
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It's a revelation to me because I always believe that it was more

400
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like, you know, this is like the world that the great healer has

401
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created and to, and to put a mask on it.

402
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They've got this. oh, we've got the DJ who talks to your to your

403
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loved one.

404
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So it's sort of a front so that none of the relatives actually

405
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question anything that's going on there.

406
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It's like, oh, yes, here's our DJ, blah, blah, blah.

407
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So, you know, it's covering up the fact that they're using the

408
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bodies for food.

409
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Yeah, yeah, okay.

410
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That's how I feel.

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That sounds reasonable.

412
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Yeah, so I don't like these 2 either.

413
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And I think it's very say wouldy and very nasty.

414
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And, you know, like he's a drunk as well, which again, you know

415
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just adds an extra kind of anti-hero thing to it.

416
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But like the scene of them being tortured later is really not.

417
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Oh, it's horrible. and that's where the character who I think is

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the most awful analogue of things that go wrong around this

419
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point.

420
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Richard Burton and Elizabeth Turner.

421
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Because you, I'm quite sure that's what so would had in mind as

422
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you're watching that.

423
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Were they married again for the 3rd time while this was being

424
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shot?

425
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It just feels like it.

426
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That's a bleak 7 location.

427
00:17:34.559 --> 00:17:34.920
Look at that.

428
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I have a moment to think.

429
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Yeah.

430
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Well timed, was it?

431
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The comedy turban.

432
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She's wearing it now, James isn't she?

433
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Great.

434
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I do love Eleanor Braun.

435
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She is spectacular.

436
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I would have preferred.

437
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I would have preferred Jennifer Saunders, but, you know, it still

438
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works.

439
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Imagine that.

440
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And Dawn as Davros. you imagine?

441
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Well, I would want Dawn to be Vogal.

442
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I interviewed Nick Mallet, and you know who he wanted Dawn French

443
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and Jennifer Saunders to play.

444
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I think I do.

445
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Vince and Deba.

446
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Sorry, what's that?

447
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The mysterious planet.

448
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Must be the not we here.

449
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I've ever seen the whole thing.

450
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Complete with the sort of stripy sideburns?

451
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Possibly complete with stylurian costumes.

452
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So Savalong Glitz comes back, remember in Dragonfire.

453
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Dabros.

454
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That's a revelation.

455
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I didn't realise that was actually the correct pronunciation.

456
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That's why I'm always doing it.

457
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Actually, in the Greek, how would we?

458
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Well it's not really a Greek word, but yeah, I could, yeah, you

459
00:18:41.940 --> 00:18:42.960
could say Danveros.

460
00:18:43.019 --> 00:18:45.299
Yeah, I think she's just trying to sound very continental.

461
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Like her gorgeous outfit and everything. spend the money on this

462
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fricking turban for nothing.

463
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Yeah, she really is too damn good, isn't she?

464
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She's wonderful.

465
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And actually, a lot of characters in this story have a slight

466
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accent.

467
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Yeah, the computer does.

468
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Tassenbika does sometimes.

469
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That's right.

470
00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:03.960
But no, her assistant should have been Kenneth Williams.

471
00:19:04.019 --> 00:19:06.599
Yeah, the lovely Runcible, the fatuous.

472
00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:09.960
Saywood wrote this whilst he was on Holiday Inn Roads.

473
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Did he?

474
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Yes.

475
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Okay.

476
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I don't know.

477
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I'm being full.

478
00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:16.680
Exactly.

479
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That's a revelation.

480
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Bashing around with Jackie Lane, wherever that accent took him

481
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that.

482
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I think she's superb.

483
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I wonder if this isn't a nod to the conventions.

484
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I wonder if this isn't JNT, saying, you know, like, though people

485
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light behind the scenes.

486
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Yeah, yeah.

487
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It just feels like all the bickering I've ever seen behind the

488
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gilded curtain at every convention I've ever been to.

489
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Saws.

490
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Well, maybe maybe even maybe even in a TV production.

491
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I mean, the whole thing is this sort of huge production.

492
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Yeah.

493
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Or every amateur theatrical.

494
00:19:51.720 --> 00:19:53.700
Why do you keep looking at me, Richard?

495
00:19:53.759 --> 00:19:55.980
actually trying to watch this story.

496
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Listeners, I hope you're watching this story.

497
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I don't know what these people are talking about.

498
00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:03.420
But you wouldn't think based on Saywood's past working, Doc 2, that

499
00:20:03.420 --> 00:20:04.740
he had a touch of the camp, would you?

500
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Think about slipback, which is coming up, which is him trying to

501
00:20:12.660 --> 00:20:14.039
do Douglas Adams.

502
00:20:14.099 --> 00:20:17.880
Sorry, that's just the filthiest expression we've ever used on

503
00:20:17.880 --> 00:20:18.240
this show.

504
00:20:20.880 --> 00:20:22.799
Would you like a towel?

505
00:20:24.180 --> 00:20:26.460
I need a safe word, people.

506
00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:28.440
A safe word will be slipped back.

507
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That's not safe at all.

508
00:20:32.759 --> 00:20:37.319
And this, I love the fact that we never see a camera.

509
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We know that this whole thing is being monitored.

510
00:20:40.500 --> 00:20:41.819
Everyone's on TV.

511
00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:46.500
You know, the great healers watching TV, the DJs watching TV.

512
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We never see a camera, but Joe Bell is super aware of being on

513
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camera.

514
00:20:51.960 --> 00:20:54.119
And so we just get these little moments where the characters

515
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regard the actual camera, which is sort of high up.

516
00:20:57.480 --> 00:20:58.799
It looks so great.

517
00:20:58.859 --> 00:20:59.640
It's so well done.

518
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The doctor does it at the start of episode 2 where he walks into

519
00:21:02.819 --> 00:21:05.099
the reception and just catches sight and sort of frowns.

520
00:21:05.160 --> 00:21:06.059
Yeah, well done.

521
00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:06.539
Yeah.

522
00:21:06.539 --> 00:21:07.079
Yeah.

523
00:21:07.259 --> 00:21:11.099
I guess you get that a little bit in caves too, don't you?

524
00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:17.640
With, um, uh, um, Shara's Jack in his bass watching everyone on TV

525
00:21:17.640 --> 00:21:20.099
and morgas.

526
00:21:20.160 --> 00:21:22.079
Yeah, we do see that.

527
00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:24.839
Yes, shoot 1st and ask questions later.

528
00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:28.500
The guards weaponless, so all they can do is run after them.

529
00:21:28.859 --> 00:21:30.660
Straight into the camera.

530
00:21:30.720 --> 00:21:31.079
Camera.

531
00:21:31.140 --> 00:21:31.559
Ow.

532
00:21:32.579 --> 00:21:34.259
Look at this.

533
00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:35.700
What magnificent location work?

534
00:21:35.940 --> 00:21:41.160
Yes, this is our last use of film in Doctor Who in classic Doctor

535
00:21:41.160 --> 00:21:42.960
Who, and it looks incredible.

536
00:21:43.019 --> 00:21:45.480
It really does look a lot better than videotape.

537
00:21:45.539 --> 00:21:46.079
Amaing.

538
00:21:46.140 --> 00:21:46.619
Yeah.

539
00:21:46.680 --> 00:21:47.220
Yeah.

540
00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:51.000
But Graham is one of those few directors. can do location and

541
00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:51.720
studio work.

542
00:21:51.779 --> 00:21:52.920
Yeah.

543
00:21:52.980 --> 00:21:54.059
Yeah.

544
00:21:54.119 --> 00:21:55.500
I mean, that looks lovely.

545
00:21:55.559 --> 00:21:59.400
And I think we said in our Colin Baker episode that Colin is much

546
00:21:59.400 --> 00:22:03.960
better on location. that when Colin is in a glitzy light

547
00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:08.220
entertainment studio with all of the colour saturation turned up

548
00:22:08.220 --> 00:22:13.619
to 11 to try and compete with his wretched costume, he plays it

549
00:22:13.619 --> 00:22:14.220
too big.

550
00:22:14.279 --> 00:22:18.660
But when he's on location, he's actually really considerably

551
00:22:18.660 --> 00:22:19.319
better, I think.

552
00:22:20.519 --> 00:22:22.619
Stop looking at me, Richard.

553
00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:25.140
We discussed this with Nathan.

554
00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:26.940
I'm not going over old things. is fantastic.

555
00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:28.619
Well, this is a strange thing.

556
00:22:28.680 --> 00:22:31.319
I mean, are they talking about the doctor's penis here?

557
00:22:31.380 --> 00:22:32.099
Yep, yep.

558
00:22:32.339 --> 00:22:34.200
That's a revelation.

559
00:22:34.259 --> 00:22:37.019
And at the time again, thinking this is one of the funniest

560
00:22:37.019 --> 00:22:38.339
moments in Doctor Who I've ever seen.

561
00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:40.740
It's really perfectly timed.

562
00:22:40.799 --> 00:22:42.000
Look at where his hands are.

563
00:22:42.059 --> 00:22:44.460
It's fantastic. both know what they're doing.

564
00:22:44.519 --> 00:22:45.299
They do.

565
00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:47.400
Is it apt though?

566
00:22:47.460 --> 00:22:48.359
Yes.

567
00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:49.859
Yeah, yeah.

568
00:22:49.920 --> 00:22:51.059
Look at context.

569
00:22:51.119 --> 00:22:52.740
It's all about... it's also Colin.

570
00:22:52.859 --> 00:22:54.059
I mean, what is his doctor?

571
00:22:54.119 --> 00:22:55.680
That's a revelation.

572
00:22:55.740 --> 00:22:57.420
I rarely use it.

573
00:22:57.480 --> 00:22:59.039
That's a revelation.

574
00:23:00.059 --> 00:23:05.099
I actually love his, you know, slowly hauling himself up the wall

575
00:23:05.099 --> 00:23:06.420
acting as well.

576
00:23:07.859 --> 00:23:11.819
You see, I think this crystallises the relationship between the Dr

577
00:23:11.819 --> 00:23:14.339
and Perry, how it was now, it should have been when he jumps off

578
00:23:14.339 --> 00:23:17.160
and leaves her on top.

579
00:23:17.160 --> 00:23:18.599
It's fantastic.

580
00:23:18.660 --> 00:23:20.579
Is he getting his revenge?

581
00:23:20.640 --> 00:23:23.519
He's just saying, well, screw you, you broke my thing.

582
00:23:23.579 --> 00:23:24.420
Yes.

583
00:23:24.420 --> 00:23:26.400
This is fantastic.

584
00:23:26.460 --> 00:23:26.940
I'm sorry.

585
00:23:27.059 --> 00:23:27.359
Bye.

586
00:23:28.140 --> 00:23:33.059
She kind of goes...

587
00:23:33.059 --> 00:23:38.579
Just look like the tartest food machine is set to Twinkie

588
00:23:38.579 --> 00:23:39.240
constant.

589
00:23:39.839 --> 00:23:43.019
Oh, you fat shaped shirt.

590
00:23:43.859 --> 00:23:47.640
I actually remember at the time being relieved at how much

591
00:23:47.640 --> 00:23:51.180
clothing she was wearing for a change, you know, like it wasn't

592
00:23:51.180 --> 00:23:54.900
her, all her wretched boob tubes and leotards and stuff.

593
00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:56.640
She actually had some clothes on it.

594
00:23:56.700 --> 00:23:59.519
It was a bit of a revelation time.

595
00:23:59.579 --> 00:24:02.039
She had to cover up all those nut roast rules.

596
00:24:02.099 --> 00:24:02.880
Revelation.

597
00:24:04.500 --> 00:24:07.440
Yeah, she does look so much better, doesn't she?

598
00:24:07.500 --> 00:24:08.940
And which comes in studio later on.

599
00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:11.759
She's wearing the same outfit she was in timelash, which is, you

600
00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:14.160
know, quite a fetching sort of brown tunic thing. looks based on

601
00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:14.400
that.

602
00:24:14.460 --> 00:24:15.240
Yeah, I like that too.

603
00:24:15.299 --> 00:24:17.279
Certainly, I think, one of her best.

604
00:24:18.180 --> 00:24:19.740
Costumes.

605
00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:21.480
The Mysterious Planet one is pretty good too.

606
00:24:21.539 --> 00:24:22.920
And Michael?

607
00:24:22.980 --> 00:24:25.859
Yeah, yeah. vision in pink.

608
00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:26.640
It's okay.

609
00:24:26.700 --> 00:24:28.680
But it's always those daisy duck shoes.

610
00:24:28.740 --> 00:24:29.759
Yeah.

611
00:24:29.819 --> 00:24:32.460
Those stupid things in time lash, not time lash.

612
00:24:32.579 --> 00:24:36.000
What is it, mysterious planet, when she's stomping around with the

613
00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:38.759
new forest in a pair of daisy duck pumps.

614
00:24:39.240 --> 00:24:41.279
Foolish bint.

615
00:24:41.819 --> 00:24:44.640
Have we had the Australian cliffhanger yet?

616
00:24:44.700 --> 00:24:47.279
Oh, we're about to come up.

617
00:24:47.339 --> 00:24:47.519
Yes.

618
00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:50.160
Actually, I was thinking about that because I can't remember.

619
00:24:50.220 --> 00:24:51.660
I can't remember what it is.

620
00:24:51.779 --> 00:24:52.440
I think it was.

621
00:24:52.500 --> 00:24:54.059
Yeah, I think you might be right.

622
00:24:54.119 --> 00:24:54.599
Just that.

623
00:24:54.660 --> 00:24:56.279
It wasn't the dalek.

624
00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:57.900
Just before the Dalek, wasn't it?

625
00:24:57.960 --> 00:24:59.519
That's pretty shoddy. one of the shoddy ones.

626
00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:01.079
It should have been the Dalek.

627
00:25:01.140 --> 00:25:04.140
It could have been it could have been an end of one Dalek end of

628
00:25:04.140 --> 00:25:05.519
episode one Dalek reveal.

629
00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:08.099
But we have had them before.

630
00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:09.359
But it's always the case of these.

631
00:25:09.420 --> 00:25:10.920
They just went, oh, this is the time boom.

632
00:25:10.980 --> 00:25:13.980
And if they'd gone 20 seconds or 30 seconds either side, half the

633
00:25:13.980 --> 00:25:15.180
time, it's a better cliffhanger.

634
00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:17.460
But didn't production build them in?

635
00:25:17.519 --> 00:25:18.119
No.

636
00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:24.059
That's why we had the ones, you know, where the Hacienda is this

637
00:25:24.059 --> 00:25:24.299
way.

638
00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:26.220
That's the best one ever. love that.

639
00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:26.880
It's my favourite.

640
00:25:26.940 --> 00:25:32.220
Having said that, like the cliffhanger for episode 3 of this is

641
00:25:32.220 --> 00:25:34.079
different depending on which territory you're in.

642
00:25:34.140 --> 00:25:36.299
Okay, well, let's talk about that when we get to it.

643
00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:37.799
I think you're all being very kind here.

644
00:25:37.859 --> 00:25:41.640
None of you have surpassed the Mali linoleum floor of the

645
00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:42.359
excellence.

646
00:25:42.420 --> 00:25:44.519
Yes, the bath mat of doom.

647
00:25:44.579 --> 00:25:46.859
Which, again, was not meant to be a cliffhanger.

648
00:25:47.220 --> 00:25:49.440
No, they had to move things around.

649
00:25:49.500 --> 00:25:51.480
I think it might have been trying to get into the city and the

650
00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:53.759
Daleks coming around the corner, but they said, no, we've got a

651
00:25:53.759 --> 00:25:54.359
nice bit of floor here.

652
00:25:54.420 --> 00:25:55.440
We'll make that the cliffhanger.

653
00:25:55.500 --> 00:25:58.079
Look, it would have been really hard to lay.

654
00:25:58.140 --> 00:25:59.579
I found it quite exciting.

655
00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:01.920
Obius coming back.

656
00:26:01.980 --> 00:26:05.400
Oh, I'd really like that carpet.

657
00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:07.680
Hello, still.

658
00:26:07.740 --> 00:26:08.819
I want the morpherton's back.

659
00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:09.539
Yes.

660
00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:12.119
And can we have Jackie Hill as well, please?

661
00:26:12.180 --> 00:26:13.140
Oh, please.

662
00:26:13.500 --> 00:26:17.519
Humans are unparallelled in their dexterity.

663
00:26:17.819 --> 00:26:19.859
Not fur brains.

664
00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:23.940
But Meg lost track of you or an earthly child?

665
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:25.619
I like Meg lost Jackie, actually.

666
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:27.660
This is the thing.

667
00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:28.319
She's good in everything.

668
00:26:28.380 --> 00:26:28.980
Yeah.

669
00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:32.220
I think we said at the time, she takes a very thankless role and

670
00:26:32.220 --> 00:26:34.440
humanises it. gives some dignity.

671
00:26:34.500 --> 00:26:37.619
Yeah, absolutely. wipes the walls with Lala.

672
00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:40.319
It's quite impact. kind of embarrassing, isn't it?

673
00:26:40.380 --> 00:26:40.980
Who else is on screen?

674
00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:42.119
Don't know, can't see.

675
00:26:42.839 --> 00:26:47.279
And she's got and she's got longer bangs and everything, hasn't

676
00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:47.460
she?

677
00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:48.480
Her extensions are even better.

678
00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:49.799
Yes, yeah.

679
00:26:50.220 --> 00:26:51.900
Oh dear.

680
00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:54.000
Jackie, would like you back on the series.

681
00:26:54.059 --> 00:26:55.259
We got a wonderful role for you.

682
00:26:55.319 --> 00:26:56.160
The mutant.

683
00:26:56.220 --> 00:26:58.019
All around in the snow.

684
00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:02.880
Chucky Lane.

685
00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:04.559
No, he'll.

686
00:27:04.619 --> 00:27:05.819
He does look like not the same.

687
00:27:05.819 --> 00:27:06.660
Save on a makeup, Bill.

688
00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:07.799
No, that should have been Larry.

689
00:27:07.859 --> 00:27:10.500
He does look like someone who Pierce Brosnan would have just

690
00:27:10.500 --> 00:27:12.180
dissed, doesn't he?

691
00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:15.000
They all look like pre...

692
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:17.700
No, of course this is Roger was still Bond, wasn't he?

693
00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:18.359
Yeah, yeah.

694
00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:19.259
But only for once.

695
00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:22.140
Oh, he's totally wham there. doctor.

696
00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:23.880
I thought that was Roger.

697
00:27:24.660 --> 00:27:26.700
That's a revelation.

698
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:29.579
So I... is a revelation.

699
00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:30.660
No, it's Richard Keel.

700
00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:31.319
Look at the teeth.

701
00:27:34.380 --> 00:27:36.599
It's amazingly gross, isn't it?

702
00:27:36.660 --> 00:27:39.299
They wanted to do a glass dalek for a while, I think.

703
00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:41.279
Terry Nation, the Daleks.

704
00:27:41.339 --> 00:27:41.700
Right.

705
00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:42.900
Slash mutants.

706
00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:46.680
It's actually in Doctor Who in an exciting adventure with the

707
00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:47.039
Dale.

708
00:27:47.099 --> 00:27:47.940
There's a glass darling.

709
00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:49.259
Right.

710
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:51.539
So this is something that we've always wanted to be able to do.

711
00:27:52.019 --> 00:27:54.960
It is gross, but I think it looks amazing.

712
00:27:55.019 --> 00:27:57.240
Like, I think they're clearly feeding...

713
00:27:57.240 --> 00:28:01.140
They're feeding air into sort of the stuff around his head so that

714
00:28:01.140 --> 00:28:04.799
it, like the heads all sort of throbbing and stuff. like a big old

715
00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:05.099
vein.

716
00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:07.140
And there's a lot of KY jelly beans.

717
00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:09.240
It's getting very Kenny everywhere.

718
00:28:09.299 --> 00:28:10.980
Safe word slip back.

719
00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:15.900
Are you getting Captain Crewman noises as well?

720
00:28:17.339 --> 00:28:20.160
When are we doing the Kenny Everett podcast?

721
00:28:20.220 --> 00:28:21.119
Ah, we're doing it now.

722
00:28:24.299 --> 00:28:28.920
I remember thinking that the way that he turns around so quickly

723
00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:29.759
is fantastic.

724
00:28:29.819 --> 00:28:31.920
Like, you can believe that he's a disembodied head.

725
00:28:31.980 --> 00:28:34.740
Well, I thought the ship had blown up, you know, when he was

726
00:28:34.740 --> 00:28:37.200
escaping and all that, they managed to save their head somehow.

727
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:39.480
A lot of peting going off into space.

728
00:28:39.539 --> 00:28:41.039
Can we not mention that?

729
00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:43.259
Long before Futurama. had this.

730
00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:45.480
Yeah, yeah, that's it.

731
00:28:45.539 --> 00:28:46.559
He's head in a jar.

732
00:28:46.619 --> 00:28:48.660
It kind of looks a bit like Tom Baker.

733
00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:51.240
That's true, saying.

734
00:28:51.299 --> 00:28:52.980
We've got a great role for you, Tom.

735
00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:56.279
And it's the same offscreen attitude too at the time.

736
00:28:56.339 --> 00:28:59.279
James, please tell me in what way does he look like, Tom?

737
00:28:59.339 --> 00:29:01.500
The sort of pulsating brain looks like.

738
00:29:01.619 --> 00:29:02.940
Silhouette.

739
00:29:03.059 --> 00:29:04.619
A silhouette.

740
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:05.759
It's a season 18 Tom.

741
00:29:05.819 --> 00:29:06.599
Yeah, silhouette.

742
00:29:06.660 --> 00:29:09.960
Oh, top throb. looks like an excellent to me. looks like an

743
00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:10.380
excellent.

744
00:29:10.500 --> 00:29:11.579
Oh, beautiful.

745
00:29:11.579 --> 00:29:12.839
With his big cowl over his head.

746
00:29:12.900 --> 00:29:15.000
More like a gel guard.

747
00:29:15.059 --> 00:29:16.859
Yeah, here's a bit.

748
00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:19.980
Do we know what ever happened?

749
00:29:20.039 --> 00:29:20.880
I need Brendan here.

750
00:29:20.940 --> 00:29:24.240
Do we know what ever happened to bloke on right with nice perm?

751
00:29:24.299 --> 00:29:26.819
Because he does definitely feel like someone that would have been

752
00:29:26.819 --> 00:29:30.720
in 30 seconds of bond before being thrown the keys to the higher

753
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:34.200
car and told to sod off and sort it out for yourself while I go

754
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:38.220
and taunt Caroline Monroe and my lovely knitwear ensemble.

755
00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:41.339
Yeah, the number one hit with careless whisper the next year.

756
00:29:45.299 --> 00:29:46.980
That's a revelation.

757
00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:48.420
You must say, Caroline, John.

758
00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:53.460
Caroline Monroe just did a piece for the Guardian on her career

759
00:29:53.460 --> 00:29:56.279
which mentions the lovely Roger and his knitwear.

760
00:29:56.339 --> 00:29:57.839
They both started as knitwear models.

761
00:29:58.140 --> 00:30:01.200
She said he was lovely and we talked about knitwear.

762
00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:06.539
I have to say that both of the mutants in this story, I think, give

763
00:30:06.539 --> 00:30:09.660
good performances, like one of the location and him, as it builds

764
00:30:09.660 --> 00:30:12.299
to been...

765
00:30:12.299 --> 00:30:14.099
Yeah, they're really good.

766
00:30:14.220 --> 00:30:17.519
It's quite touching when the mutant outside is dying.

767
00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:18.180
Oh, dear.

768
00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:21.119
Oh, no, now it's going horrible.

769
00:30:21.180 --> 00:30:22.319
Yeah.

770
00:30:22.380 --> 00:30:24.420
Yeah, punch the woman in the stomach.

771
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:26.400
That's what we want to see on tea time TV.

772
00:30:26.460 --> 00:30:28.200
Hashtag Davros too.

773
00:30:28.259 --> 00:30:29.759
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

774
00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:31.740
These are Graham.

775
00:30:31.859 --> 00:30:33.299
Harper's creative decisions, aren't they?

776
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:34.859
Well, I think it's the script.

777
00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:37.859
I mean, like this thing where we're going to like, you know, where

778
00:30:37.859 --> 00:30:40.200
Colin wants to carve bits of a face off.

779
00:30:40.259 --> 00:30:43.920
Like, you know, I just don't think that's the right tone for us to

780
00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:44.400
be taking.

781
00:30:44.460 --> 00:30:48.299
Yeah, I actually think Mr. Lilt there is one of the most

782
00:30:48.299 --> 00:30:51.480
misbegotten characters ever to appear in Doctor Who.

783
00:30:51.539 --> 00:30:55.859
He's so unpleasant, that he takes out a flick knife and says, I

784
00:30:55.859 --> 00:30:59.640
must mark her, which is just not Doctor Who in any way.

785
00:30:59.700 --> 00:31:01.500
No, no, he doesn't do it.

786
00:31:01.559 --> 00:31:01.859
Yeah.

787
00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:02.579
Yeah.

788
00:31:02.579 --> 00:31:05.940
So this is a great character as well.

789
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:07.440
Great actor.

790
00:31:07.500 --> 00:31:08.220
William Gordon.

791
00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:08.640
Yeah.

792
00:31:08.700 --> 00:31:10.500
So this is a response, isn't it?

793
00:31:11.940 --> 00:31:16.619
Is there something where he says, no, I want to sort of create an

794
00:31:16.619 --> 00:31:18.720
amoral kind of character who's not?

795
00:31:18.779 --> 00:31:20.339
I can't remember.

796
00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:21.660
There's some story.

797
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:22.619
Is it Lytton?

798
00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:24.059
Did he want to create his own litter?

799
00:31:24.119 --> 00:31:24.960
Well, Lytton was his.

800
00:31:25.019 --> 00:31:26.279
Yeah, Lytton was his.

801
00:31:26.339 --> 00:31:29.400
I don't know, but I think that this is that he's a good character

802
00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:33.420
and this is him trying to be Robert Holmes and having a sort of

803
00:31:33.420 --> 00:31:34.980
homesey and double act with these two.

804
00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:38.700
And I think it's reasonably successful and partly just because

805
00:31:38.700 --> 00:31:39.960
William Gaunt's really good.

806
00:31:40.859 --> 00:31:43.680
I think everybody in this scene is just amazing.

807
00:31:43.740 --> 00:31:46.799
Yeah, I mean, the characters are well written in this story, but

808
00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:49.019
they're all played to perfection.

809
00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:53.400
And in fact, the story's just full of homes and double X for want

810
00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:54.539
of using that expression.

811
00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:56.880
Fogue, Vogel and Kara.

812
00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:57.720
Fogel and Kara.

813
00:31:57.720 --> 00:31:58.559
Tarkas and Lil.

814
00:31:58.619 --> 00:32:00.900
Yeah, um, the doctor and Natasha.

815
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:02.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

816
00:32:02.940 --> 00:32:05.160
Show Bill and sorry, not the doctor.

817
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:07.740
Yeah, the young doctor a little while.

818
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:10.559
Joe Bell and Tessa Baker.

819
00:32:10.619 --> 00:32:11.039
Yeah.

820
00:32:11.099 --> 00:32:16.319
So Joe Bell is obviously based on Mr. Joyboy from which you should

821
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:19.859
just really put your iPhone down right now at this point switches

822
00:32:19.859 --> 00:32:24.960
off and then go and read the loved one, which is incredibly

823
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:25.740
brutal.

824
00:32:25.859 --> 00:32:29.220
Like, it's actually more brutal than this.

825
00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:35.160
Um, and yeah, it's really horrible and super, you know, you know

826
00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:38.519
like Evelyn Moore clearly was a truly terrible person.

827
00:32:38.579 --> 00:32:42.480
I was measuring Royal North Shore hospital with a large part of it

828
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:47.160
when I was reading that as a student and assistant architect.

829
00:32:47.220 --> 00:32:49.019
I had to go and measure lots of nasty bits of it.

830
00:32:49.019 --> 00:32:51.900
And it was the perfect thing to be reading sitting outside for a

831
00:32:51.900 --> 00:32:54.599
hour thinking, I've got to go back into the bowels of that.

832
00:32:54.660 --> 00:32:55.799
No, I'll read a bit more.

833
00:32:55.859 --> 00:32:56.819
It's more fun.

834
00:32:56.880 --> 00:32:58.259
It's really horrible.

835
00:32:58.319 --> 00:32:59.220
It's super funny.

836
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:01.200
I read it at school for some reason.

837
00:33:01.259 --> 00:33:03.839
I don't know why they thought it was appropriate, but I guess we

838
00:33:03.839 --> 00:33:06.119
didn't really understand it when we were in year nine.

839
00:33:06.180 --> 00:33:07.259
Now reading is an adult.

840
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:07.980
It's horrible.

841
00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:10.740
Are you saying that, Eric, they would turn something down?

842
00:33:10.859 --> 00:33:11.759
Yeah, a bit.

843
00:33:11.819 --> 00:33:17.160
Well, saying that this is based on the loved one is doing love and

844
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:17.700
disservice.

845
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:19.259
I mean, it's just wholesale ripped from it.

846
00:33:19.619 --> 00:33:23.099
Yeah, I mean, the loved one has lots of stuff about, you know, the

847
00:33:23.099 --> 00:33:25.799
relationship between England and America and stuff about Hollywood

848
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:29.339
and like it's broader and got more interesting things, but it's

849
00:33:29.339 --> 00:33:33.660
got this place called Whispering Glades, which is the sort of

850
00:33:33.660 --> 00:33:34.920
giant necropolis.

851
00:33:34.980 --> 00:33:37.079
So tranquil repose.

852
00:33:37.140 --> 00:33:40.200
Even that there's a little bit of dialogue about how Americans

853
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:42.240
have embarrassing names for this.

854
00:33:42.299 --> 00:33:45.119
You know, when Perry hears, it's called tranquil repose.

855
00:33:45.180 --> 00:33:47.579
She says, that's like something we would come up with in the

856
00:33:47.579 --> 00:33:47.940
states.

857
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:53.759
And so it's a massive necropolis and it's, you know, beautiful and

858
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:57.779
wonderful, but it's, you know, racially segregated and Jewish

859
00:33:57.779 --> 00:33:59.940
people aren't allowed to be buried there.

860
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:02.940
And it's really, really kind of horrible.

861
00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:07.619
Uh, and then there's the, um, the dog cemetery that the main

862
00:34:07.619 --> 00:34:11.099
character works at the pet cemetery, the name of which happy

863
00:34:11.099 --> 00:34:12.840
hunting ground, I think it's called.

864
00:34:13.019 --> 00:34:16.619
And the end of the loved one, Richard, do you remember?

865
00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:18.360
I want to spoil it.

866
00:34:18.420 --> 00:34:22.500
I'm not going to spoil it, but it is just about the blackest

867
00:34:22.500 --> 00:34:24.900
darkest thing that I've ever read.

868
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:25.980
It's wonderful.

869
00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:29.579
Well, Stephen King tried to ape it with pet symmetry, didn't he?

870
00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:30.719
But he never got quite as...

871
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:34.019
No, no, it's nowhere near as terrifying as the loved one.

872
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:38.219
This lovely location filming.

873
00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:39.480
IBM Portsmouth.

874
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:40.860
Is that where it is?

875
00:34:40.860 --> 00:34:43.679
I don't know why they built pyramids there that they did.

876
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:47.460
Still here to this day, children.

877
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:50.699
You can still go along and toss a jabble light at each other, so

878
00:34:50.699 --> 00:34:51.179
that's good.

879
00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:53.699
What do we think of the timing thing?

880
00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:58.739
People critique season 22 because they don't seem to work out

881
00:34:58.739 --> 00:35:03.659
exactly how to do two part stories with 44 minute episodes?

882
00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:07.019
Well, I think I think they've worked it out by now, but here, the

883
00:35:07.019 --> 00:35:10.019
necessity was that these 2 were doing pantomime and so they

884
00:35:10.019 --> 00:35:13.139
couldn't do certain blocks of recording in studio, so you had to

885
00:35:13.139 --> 00:35:13.800
write them on location.

886
00:35:13.860 --> 00:35:14.400
Right.

887
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:16.559
So the doctors wearing a pantsomime keep there.

888
00:35:16.619 --> 00:35:20.280
Well, I mean, they're not on in the studio at all for episode

889
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:20.579
one.

890
00:35:20.699 --> 00:35:21.360
That's right.

891
00:35:21.780 --> 00:35:27.480
And that's a lot more studio, not a lot more location stuff than

892
00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:30.239
we would ordinarily expect in a story in this era.

893
00:35:30.300 --> 00:35:33.719
Um, It's about about the same.

894
00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:35.340
I think, maybe.

895
00:35:35.340 --> 00:35:39.059
Mark of the Rani had double the... double the location filming

896
00:35:39.059 --> 00:35:39.599
allocated to it.

897
00:35:39.659 --> 00:35:42.480
But that's because they got an extra crew, right, for free.

898
00:35:42.539 --> 00:35:46.559
So, I mean, but episode two, I think there's they're indoors a lot

899
00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:46.739
more.

900
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:47.820
Yeah, yeah, right.

901
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:51.179
I think it just seems like there's more location work because it's

902
00:35:51.179 --> 00:35:52.860
all clumped together in one episode.

903
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:56.340
So, yeah, I agree, James. and the fact that Dr. and Perry are all

904
00:35:56.340 --> 00:35:57.420
on occasion for this episode.

905
00:35:57.480 --> 00:35:58.380
Just, yeah.

906
00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:03.059
Yeah, and I think people might get it in reverse in season 22

907
00:36:03.059 --> 00:36:05.519
where they say that the doctor and Perry just take forever to

908
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:06.059
arrive.

909
00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:07.139
So why are they keeping them separate?

910
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:11.099
I think they were probably trying to the inverse, which was set up

911
00:36:11.099 --> 00:36:14.760
of a convincing world and then bring the doctor into it.

912
00:36:14.820 --> 00:36:16.139
It doesn't quite work.

913
00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:17.760
But it's all right.

914
00:36:17.820 --> 00:36:20.400
Yeah, I mean, he comes in and breaks it all.

915
00:36:20.460 --> 00:36:22.559
Like they come in and just sort of wreck it.

916
00:36:22.619 --> 00:36:26.400
They and the Daleks sort of come in and wreck it, I think.

917
00:36:26.460 --> 00:36:30.300
I actually think Barris is the worst story in terms, basically, in

918
00:36:30.300 --> 00:36:34.440
terms of keeping the Dr. in Perry out of the world, through the

919
00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:37.500
whole device, in the Tartar console and having a hissy fit and all

920
00:36:37.500 --> 00:36:37.739
that.

921
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:40.260
That's the one thing in that story that I find the pacing really

922
00:36:40.260 --> 00:36:40.559
bad.

923
00:36:40.619 --> 00:36:43.500
If I had to pick an episode this season, that's where they've

924
00:36:43.500 --> 00:36:44.219
stretched.

925
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:48.960
I feel like they've stretched one episode of 25 minutes into 45.

926
00:36:49.139 --> 00:36:51.480
I mean, they do it a bit in time lash, don't they?

927
00:36:51.539 --> 00:36:54.239
running under time and they just record a whole lot of kind of

928
00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:56.940
stuff that's marking time in the TARDIS console room with

929
00:36:56.940 --> 00:36:57.420
Herbert.

930
00:36:57.480 --> 00:36:59.400
Yeah, but that's a bit later on.

931
00:36:59.460 --> 00:37:00.000
Yeah.

932
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:02.340
I think it depends on the quality of the rising here.

933
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:03.719
The scenes between them are good.

934
00:37:03.780 --> 00:37:06.059
And so you don't mind watching Adler scenes of just a doctor and

935
00:37:06.059 --> 00:37:06.840
Perry wandering around.

936
00:37:06.900 --> 00:37:10.800
And, you know, and these guys here in this scene have got so much

937
00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:14.940
exposition of world building with the great healer and the food

938
00:37:14.940 --> 00:37:18.179
across the galaxy and then their mission.

939
00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:19.260
You don't mind at all.

940
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:21.360
Oh my god, I just love this.

941
00:37:21.420 --> 00:37:22.800
I can just sit here and watch it all day.

942
00:37:22.860 --> 00:37:27.840
We missed that scene with Joe Bell talking to his assistants, and

943
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:30.420
I think it must be the only reference to nose picking in Doctor

944
00:37:30.420 --> 00:37:30.780
Who.

945
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:33.360
Not even in the new series.

946
00:37:33.420 --> 00:37:34.860
I don't think so.

947
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:37.739
I mean, Tom Baker went around with a big old booger hanger out of

948
00:37:37.739 --> 00:37:39.300
his nose in Keeper of Truck.

949
00:37:39.300 --> 00:37:40.260
He did, though, didn't he?

950
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:41.460
It's quite over.

951
00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:45.719
Well, nose picker is a cockney reference for many other.

952
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:47.280
You know what I'm saying, don't you?

953
00:37:47.340 --> 00:37:50.639
Once a nose picker always, a nose picker son. you know, it's

954
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:52.380
pretty much the same as, you know, shirtlifter.

955
00:37:52.500 --> 00:37:54.480
That's a revelation.

956
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:01.260
I don't yes.

957
00:38:01.260 --> 00:38:04.079
Sorry, guys. tuning in and out of your conversation, but I'm

958
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:07.139
actually watching this episode. thinking of the listener at home

959
00:38:07.739 --> 00:38:11.519
loves us talking all over each other on the show.

960
00:38:11.579 --> 00:38:14.099
Otherwise, you might as well just sit and watch it with this

961
00:38:14.099 --> 00:38:15.119
turned off and read them.

962
00:38:15.179 --> 00:38:17.340
Oh no, you wouldn't, you'd go and turn everything off and read the

963
00:38:17.340 --> 00:38:18.000
loved one, wouldn't you?

964
00:38:18.059 --> 00:38:18.420
Yes, exactly.

965
00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:21.599
In a comedy turban. whilst watching Soylid Green.

966
00:38:22.860 --> 00:38:28.079
Uh, yeah, which Seywood said he hadn't watched when it was when he

967
00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:28.739
was riding this.

968
00:38:28.739 --> 00:38:31.739
And it really, that, that's perfectly fair because it was so

969
00:38:31.739 --> 00:38:32.880
mimetic at the time.

970
00:38:32.940 --> 00:38:35.400
You didn't need to have seen silent green to know it.

971
00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:37.440
It's like most Kubrick films.

972
00:38:37.500 --> 00:38:38.579
You don't need to have seen them.

973
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:39.059
Yeah.

974
00:38:39.059 --> 00:38:42.659
To get the message, get the drill or get them.

975
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:44.340
I love that it's all being shot in the 0 room.

976
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:47.880
It has the same set.

977
00:38:47.940 --> 00:38:49.559
That's a revelation.

978
00:38:49.619 --> 00:38:52.380
I just found it lying around in props somewhere.

979
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:54.480
Very observant. very true.

980
00:38:54.539 --> 00:38:56.460
I'm just waiting for Bostock to levitate.

981
00:38:56.519 --> 00:38:58.199
I was going to say Bostock.

982
00:38:58.320 --> 00:38:59.639
He actually looks smelly.

983
00:38:59.699 --> 00:39:01.500
Yeah, he looks oily, doesn't he?

984
00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:05.699
He looks like a conventioner at a Dr. Convention around this

985
00:39:05.699 --> 00:39:05.880
time.

986
00:39:05.940 --> 00:39:10.559
You need a line there where Kara said, oh, it said you only have

987
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:11.519
to breathe on a victim.

988
00:39:11.579 --> 00:39:13.619
I said, no, I leave that to Boston.

989
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:18.000
I do love her line.

990
00:39:18.059 --> 00:39:20.519
The odours of nature have charms all their own.

991
00:39:20.579 --> 00:39:22.739
She is so tremendous.

992
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:25.739
You totally been to an old style, not too conventional.

993
00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:30.960
And her pleasing personality.

994
00:39:31.019 --> 00:39:33.179
That's a revelation.

995
00:39:33.300 --> 00:39:35.039
She is so good.

996
00:39:35.099 --> 00:39:36.480
I love her so much.

997
00:39:36.539 --> 00:39:38.159
It's a brilliant performance.

998
00:39:38.219 --> 00:39:41.219
And, you know, she went on to be in Emmerdale wearing a blonde

999
00:39:41.219 --> 00:39:41.579
wig.

1000
00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:42.119
Really?

1001
00:39:42.179 --> 00:39:44.460
I like to collect...

1002
00:39:44.460 --> 00:39:45.360
She wants...

1003
00:39:45.420 --> 00:39:46.860
She once rang the office.

1004
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:50.340
Gary Gillett answered the phone and almost had a coronary on the

1005
00:39:50.340 --> 00:39:52.079
spot and was like, oh, yes, right.

1006
00:39:52.139 --> 00:39:54.300
And then hung up, said, Jenny Thomasson just rang us.

1007
00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:56.519
She said she can't come to the awards because she can't get a

1008
00:39:56.519 --> 00:39:57.300
dress at Monsoon.

1009
00:39:59.099 --> 00:40:02.639
One thing about the makeup here is she's got this helmet thing

1010
00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:05.519
with the lines there, but then she's obviously meticulously drawn

1011
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:06.960
on her forehead.

1012
00:40:07.019 --> 00:40:09.659
Her forehead so that you can't actually move that helmet up her

1013
00:40:09.659 --> 00:40:11.039
tail so that it matches.

1014
00:40:11.099 --> 00:40:12.539
It is a very strange choice.

1015
00:40:12.780 --> 00:40:14.820
It's an...

1016
00:40:14.820 --> 00:40:16.019
It's a creative choice.

1017
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:17.699
Puzzling creative choice, yeah.

1018
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:18.599
But it works.

1019
00:40:18.659 --> 00:40:22.380
She's got her pseudo-layer buns at the side.

1020
00:40:22.500 --> 00:40:23.039
Yeah.

1021
00:40:23.099 --> 00:40:25.800
Yeah, she was very well regarded from, was it upstairs

1022
00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:26.460
downstairs?

1023
00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:29.039
Or the Duchess of Duke's Street.

1024
00:40:29.099 --> 00:40:29.820
It was one of the two.

1025
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:30.659
She played a lead role.

1026
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:31.559
Wow.

1027
00:40:31.619 --> 00:40:32.820
It's like someone below stairs.

1028
00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:33.659
Right, right.

1029
00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:35.039
Wow, look at that.

1030
00:40:35.099 --> 00:40:37.079
They built those purposely.

1031
00:40:37.139 --> 00:40:39.059
What are those IBM pyramids?

1032
00:40:39.780 --> 00:40:41.820
That's actually quite well done.

1033
00:40:41.880 --> 00:40:42.960
It's a glass shot, isn't it?

1034
00:40:43.019 --> 00:40:43.440
Looks amazing.

1035
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:45.480
I love this.

1036
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:46.980
This doesn't quite work.

1037
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:48.360
No, but I love it.

1038
00:40:48.360 --> 00:40:50.699
There's no way the doctor could miss sighted the dialler care.

1039
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:52.920
Oh, no, that is good.

1040
00:40:52.980 --> 00:40:56.880
Again, having it, rather than appear in the background, having

1041
00:40:56.880 --> 00:40:59.039
them in the background and having it cross in front of the

1042
00:40:59.039 --> 00:40:59.460
camera.

1043
00:40:59.579 --> 00:41:01.739
And it is an incredible location.

1044
00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:06.179
Doctor Who, until the new series, Doctor Who, oh, well, I guess, I

1045
00:41:06.179 --> 00:41:09.960
guess, uh, frontier in space using a sort of modernish building to

1046
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:13.380
be a building from the future, um, two, in fact.

1047
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:13.920
Yeah.

1048
00:41:13.980 --> 00:41:14.760
Yeah.

1049
00:41:14.820 --> 00:41:16.920
So it's not something they do very much, though.

1050
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:19.199
It is a good location.

1051
00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:22.380
I think you can see people wandering around with clipboards like

1052
00:41:22.380 --> 00:41:23.940
behind windows occasionally.

1053
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:26.099
This is so gross.

1054
00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:27.179
Oh, it's horrible.

1055
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:28.679
But again, it's nicely shot.

1056
00:41:28.739 --> 00:41:31.380
I do like, you know, Tarkas in the foreground.

1057
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:34.800
Well, we're torturing people in the background.

1058
00:41:34.860 --> 00:41:38.340
I do like my misogynist torturing to be well shot.

1059
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:39.659
Yes, yes, why?

1060
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:41.039
It's gross, isn't it?

1061
00:41:41.099 --> 00:41:42.539
Tarkas is a good character.

1062
00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:45.179
He's generally sort of amoral, isn't he?

1063
00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:47.760
Allows all of this to go on, but he does have good intentions.

1064
00:41:47.820 --> 00:41:48.960
Does he?

1065
00:41:49.019 --> 00:41:52.199
I think so. trying to safeguard tranquil repose.

1066
00:41:52.260 --> 00:41:53.579
He just wants to get back to what they're doing.

1067
00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:57.000
He says it later on and, you know, help people and save lives.

1068
00:42:00.059 --> 00:42:02.820
That's my friend tortures...

1069
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:03.239
Yeah.

1070
00:42:03.300 --> 00:42:04.440
Well, yeah, amoral.

1071
00:42:08.099 --> 00:42:11.820
You look like you're seeing this for the 1st time.

1072
00:42:11.820 --> 00:42:16.619
In some ways, I am, but I'm just remembering again British SF and

1073
00:42:16.619 --> 00:42:22.800
how it never properly veered into the Americana of Spielberg and

1074
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:23.280
Lucas.

1075
00:42:23.340 --> 00:42:27.360
It stayed post teen, didn't it?

1076
00:42:27.420 --> 00:42:30.659
It was always a thread of dystopian.

1077
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:32.760
We knew what was coming.

1078
00:42:32.820 --> 00:42:35.639
I'm just looking at the footage of the Arctic splitting up today

1079
00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:38.760
like crazy paving on the news and then looking at this and

1080
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:41.579
thinking, well, exactly there's too many people to feed and the

1081
00:42:41.579 --> 00:42:43.139
atmosphere's becoming acidic.

1082
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:44.940
We've always known this.

1083
00:42:44.940 --> 00:42:46.800
And Doctor Who was always right there.

1084
00:42:46.860 --> 00:42:49.739
We've talked about Rachel Carson's silent spring in Planet of the

1085
00:42:49.739 --> 00:42:53.280
Giants and really way, way back.

1086
00:42:53.340 --> 00:42:57.960
Again, I'm most impressed watching this and the beautiful lighting

1087
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:00.539
and the staging.

1088
00:43:00.539 --> 00:43:02.760
Carper knows how to set up a multi-shot.

1089
00:43:02.820 --> 00:43:03.420
Yeah, yeah.

1090
00:43:03.420 --> 00:43:04.980
And get it. to look interesting.

1091
00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:07.260
Really, really well.

1092
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:11.579
But also to then show us exactly what the script's going on.

1093
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:14.519
These were really intelligent creative people working on this on

1094
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:14.880
this show.

1095
00:43:14.940 --> 00:43:17.880
And then we have Alexi Sale, who again, I don't think he's well

1096
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:20.579
served by the script or by the part.

1097
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:22.320
But he's just there as a cypher, isn't he?

1098
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:23.880
Yeah.

1099
00:43:23.940 --> 00:43:27.719
Yeah, I think a story like this is a good example of the old

1100
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:31.260
studio system where the different creatives are bringing different

1101
00:43:31.260 --> 00:43:31.980
layers to things.

1102
00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:35.820
Harper's bringing an entirely new layer to this story in the way

1103
00:43:35.820 --> 00:43:36.659
that he's shooting it.

1104
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:40.380
And it just wouldn't have been there with some of the other

1105
00:43:40.380 --> 00:43:41.219
directors of the era.

1106
00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:42.239
Ron Jones.

1107
00:43:42.300 --> 00:43:42.840
Yeah.

1108
00:43:42.900 --> 00:43:43.199
Yeah.

1109
00:43:43.260 --> 00:43:43.800
Yeah.

1110
00:43:44.699 --> 00:43:46.320
Here we go.

1111
00:43:46.380 --> 00:43:50.099
So we're heading towards our cliffhanger.

1112
00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:51.539
Look at that.

1113
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:53.639
Colin's eating a few pies this season, hasn't he?

1114
00:43:53.699 --> 00:43:56.519
Yeah, well, just wait until next year.

1115
00:43:56.579 --> 00:44:00.360
Do you think that might be a restoration team special edition

1116
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:03.360
somewhere where he falls on the marble block and it shatters?

1117
00:44:03.719 --> 00:44:08.159
We have to remember his veto of the character options figure, don't

1118
00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:08.340
we?

1119
00:44:09.539 --> 00:44:11.340
I'm 23.

1120
00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:12.300
Yeah, you remember that?

1121
00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:14.219
They did a full car.

1122
00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:16.320
I'm trying to remember Edward.

1123
00:44:16.380 --> 00:44:18.599
Edward did a full carve, but they knew.

1124
00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:19.800
Colin said no.

1125
00:44:19.860 --> 00:44:21.780
That's not doing on sale.

1126
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:24.659
He's sucking my gut.

1127
00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:29.639
Had the season 22, Colin head, but the body of Joan Sim.

1128
00:44:30.179 --> 00:44:34.320
It was a little bit Thomas the Tank engine in the end.

1129
00:44:35.699 --> 00:44:40.440
I just think the hair is truly horrible in season 23 as well.

1130
00:44:40.500 --> 00:44:41.400
I give you that.

1131
00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:47.099
I do like all those fanboys when Jodie Whittaker started being the

1132
00:44:47.099 --> 00:44:49.619
doctor, all those fanboys explaining that the doctor would never

1133
00:44:49.619 --> 00:44:53.219
do anything trivial, like give herself blonde highlights and you

1134
00:44:53.219 --> 00:44:56.699
kind of go, where were you boys during the 80s, for God's sake?

1135
00:44:56.880 --> 00:44:58.920
Well, the 70s.

1136
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:03.480
I love the way with this, how that thing's rocking in the

1137
00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:04.079
background.

1138
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:05.579
I think that's great.

1139
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:06.360
It's setting it up.

1140
00:45:06.780 --> 00:45:09.000
Oh, that long shot was good.

1141
00:45:09.059 --> 00:45:10.500
I've had more of that.

1142
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:13.380
And that's, I think that's a great, there you go.

1143
00:45:13.500 --> 00:45:15.719
Well, do you know, it was originally supposed to fall onto the

1144
00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:16.619
camera and go dark?

1145
00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:19.500
So like cut to black because it had cut off all of the lights and

1146
00:45:19.500 --> 00:45:21.480
it didn't work and so he flared it to white instead.

1147
00:45:21.539 --> 00:45:22.739
Works really well.

1148
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:25.320
Rather fabulously.

1149
00:45:25.380 --> 00:45:27.960
The working title for this story was the end of the road.

1150
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:34.739
It's not a very 80s Doctor Who name.

1151
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:37.679
It's very, actually, it's a very new series.

1152
00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:40.079
Yeah, so many people.

1153
00:45:40.139 --> 00:45:43.440
Do you remember when Doctor Who used to have a big guest cast?

1154
00:45:43.500 --> 00:45:46.980
Like, you know, we have these news, like series 11 where there'll

1155
00:45:46.980 --> 00:45:49.619
be like 3 people or something?

1156
00:45:49.619 --> 00:45:50.519
One of them will be a frog.

1157
00:45:50.579 --> 00:45:51.300
No.

1158
00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:57.780
Yeah, I mean, 80s or 2 just had endless guest cards.

1159
00:45:57.840 --> 00:45:59.699
Now you look at Warriors Deep and you forget who some of the

1160
00:45:59.699 --> 00:46:00.539
characters arcs.

1161
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:01.500
There's just so many of them.

1162
00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:03.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1163
00:46:03.059 --> 00:46:04.980
And also they were names.

1164
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:07.619
They had good actors in every one of them, like we're seeing

1165
00:46:07.619 --> 00:46:07.920
here.

1166
00:46:07.980 --> 00:46:11.039
We may not know them so well out here, but if you were living in

1167
00:46:11.039 --> 00:46:14.699
the UK and ever went to rep theatre or ever just watched any of

1168
00:46:14.699 --> 00:46:15.840
the long ongoing series.

1169
00:46:15.900 --> 00:46:16.980
These were names that got you in.

1170
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:18.960
What were the ratings like on this one?

1171
00:46:19.019 --> 00:46:19.920
Do you recall?

1172
00:46:19.980 --> 00:46:22.199
The ratings were, they went up.

1173
00:46:22.260 --> 00:46:25.260
Like I remember them being strong at the end of the season.

1174
00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:26.579
A Dalek bump?

1175
00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:27.780
Yeah, no, there was a bump.

1176
00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:29.940
Yeah, that's harlic bump.

1177
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:33.780
But interestingly, the bump came for episode 2 because episode one

1178
00:46:33.780 --> 00:46:37.079
had the same ratings as Timelash episode 2 the previous.

1179
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:37.980
Episode one was...

1180
00:46:37.980 --> 00:46:40.739
7.400000 in episode 2 was 7.77.

1181
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:43.800
Right. you go. couldn't quite remember.

1182
00:46:43.860 --> 00:46:45.420
Respectable, isn't it, for the time?

1183
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:45.840
I think so.

1184
00:46:45.900 --> 00:46:49.739
And it was back in the top, it was like about 65th for the week.

1185
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:53.219
Like, from time lash onwards, the ratings and the places went up

1186
00:46:53.219 --> 00:46:55.380
but, you know, it was too late by then.

1187
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:56.940
The show was on hiatus.

1188
00:46:57.059 --> 00:47:01.320
Now we're playing too cosy hindsight moments because that's what

1189
00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:02.400
we all do, isn't it?

1190
00:47:02.460 --> 00:47:04.199
Have a have a custard cream.

1191
00:47:04.260 --> 00:47:05.940
You can leave the rich tea where they're sitting.

1192
00:47:06.059 --> 00:47:08.460
Let's go for that deep, the deep and good biscuits.

1193
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:12.900
My favourite moment of Trump in the UK this week is that little

1194
00:47:12.900 --> 00:47:17.280
sign that a grandma held up was that Dear Queen, don't give him

1195
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:18.300
the good biscuits.

1196
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:26.460
I hope that Colin is thinking the same for Dar Ross.

1197
00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:32.820
If they don't know, we've got custard creams, they're cannon

1198
00:47:32.820 --> 00:47:33.539
aren't they, bloody hell?

1199
00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:34.739
had a terrible accident.

1200
00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:36.300
That's a revelation.

1201
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:39.360
Would this have done?

1202
00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:42.840
Would this actually have gone on to simply be respectable after

1203
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:48.119
this hiccough of if we hadn't had the response from Michael Gray

1204
00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:50.699
and all the rest of them, and they just let it keep going and not

1205
00:47:50.699 --> 00:47:53.159
do the hiatus, which again, no one seemed to know what to do with

1206
00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:53.340
it.

1207
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:56.280
How would it have been if we just had 2 more years?

1208
00:47:56.340 --> 00:47:57.119
This has been good writing.

1209
00:47:57.179 --> 00:48:02.340
Well, I think that I think, I mean, I remember feeling that what

1210
00:48:02.340 --> 00:48:06.900
is, what's the problem with Doctor Who in the 80s, like the early

1211
00:48:06.900 --> 00:48:11.039
80s, is that they set a world and then they just put the doctor in

1212
00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:12.719
it and nothing very interesting happens.

1213
00:48:12.780 --> 00:48:15.420
Like there's a series of captures and escapes and stuff and then

1214
00:48:15.420 --> 00:48:16.800
just sort of we get on with our lives.

1215
00:48:16.860 --> 00:48:18.659
And so, John Wiles, you mean?

1216
00:48:19.619 --> 00:48:21.780
But the storytelling What's wrong with the space museum?

1217
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:23.280
That's an outrageous accusation.

1218
00:48:23.340 --> 00:48:25.440
I actually really like the space museum.

1219
00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:30.780
So I just think it seemed a bit tired and they stopped knowing why

1220
00:48:30.780 --> 00:48:31.380
they were doing it.

1221
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:33.360
And it has also stopped.

1222
00:48:33.420 --> 00:48:39.000
I think part of moving away from Saturday nights and just the TV

1223
00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:44.579
landscape, it just becomes yet another thing and and they're not

1224
00:48:44.579 --> 00:48:48.960
thinking about who the audience is beyond the people that J and T

1225
00:48:48.960 --> 00:48:50.280
meets the conventions and stuff.

1226
00:48:50.340 --> 00:48:53.519
I think the main problem is must be seyward.

1227
00:48:53.579 --> 00:48:56.219
I mean, I'm not as down on Eric Seywood as some people are.

1228
00:48:56.280 --> 00:48:58.800
But I don't think he's interested in the character of the doctor.

1229
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:02.460
He wants to be writing Blake 7, doesn't he?

1230
00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:05.940
Yeah, actually, he might have done better on Blake 7, although it

1231
00:49:05.940 --> 00:49:06.840
wouldn't have been clever.

1232
00:49:06.900 --> 00:49:10.199
Can you imagine Avon and Villa spouting say you would dialogue at

1233
00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:10.440
each other?

1234
00:49:10.500 --> 00:49:11.940
You must think me a fool.

1235
00:49:13.619 --> 00:49:16.380
He couldn't have done worse with season four.

1236
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:18.960
I've just started watching that again after I can't tell you how

1237
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:20.699
many years since I watched it.

1238
00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:24.659
I've never opened the DVD box, so it's at least since VHS.

1239
00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:27.059
It doesn't really stand up as well, does it?

1240
00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:29.280
Do you know, what I think is...

1241
00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:30.659
Oh, moments.

1242
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:33.659
Yeah, here's the shot of the doctor realising he's a magnificent

1243
00:49:33.659 --> 00:49:33.960
organ.

1244
00:49:34.019 --> 00:49:34.320
What?

1245
00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:36.659
I love that look too.

1246
00:49:36.780 --> 00:49:38.460
He knows something's up, right?

1247
00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:41.099
And it's underplayed too.

1248
00:49:41.159 --> 00:49:42.539
Oh, yeah, totally.

1249
00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:45.480
Colin is so on point on this...

1250
00:49:45.539 --> 00:49:47.820
He is, I actually think Colin's performance in this season is

1251
00:49:47.820 --> 00:49:49.139
pretty good.

1252
00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:51.179
It's pretty up there with everyone else.

1253
00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:54.119
I think it goes slightly off when someone meddles the next season

1254
00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:57.539
and says, no, no, play it like this and be more jolly and do this

1255
00:49:57.539 --> 00:49:59.760
take them away from his instincts and I think it goes off the

1256
00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:00.059
tracks.

1257
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:00.960
Do you?

1258
00:50:01.019 --> 00:50:01.260
Okay.

1259
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:03.480
He's actually a very good actor.

1260
00:50:03.539 --> 00:50:05.699
He's just...

1261
00:50:05.699 --> 00:50:06.239
No, no.

1262
00:50:06.900 --> 00:50:07.440
On audio.

1263
00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:12.539
But, you know, given something meaty and understanding.

1264
00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:13.619
Thank you.

1265
00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:14.099
Thank you.

1266
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:15.900
Say word slip back.

1267
00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:22.920
But given something to sink his teeth in too. he actually can do a

1268
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:23.519
pretty good job.

1269
00:50:23.579 --> 00:50:24.840
Yes, thank you.

1270
00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:28.860
I don't think it's Colin, particularly is the problem in this era

1271
00:50:28.860 --> 00:50:29.219
at all.

1272
00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:29.880
No.

1273
00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:30.300
No.

1274
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:31.019
Yeah.

1275
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:33.300
And I just think it's the tone.

1276
00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:34.619
Like something horrible is going on.

1277
00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:38.340
And I also think Colin has an inclination to play roles big.

1278
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:40.320
Sexy's normal computer voice.

1279
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:44.699
That's you, James.

1280
00:50:44.699 --> 00:50:45.599
That's a revelation.

1281
00:50:45.659 --> 00:50:49.679
And so I think if a director encourages him to bring it down, then

1282
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:51.059
you know, it's pretty good.

1283
00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:52.260
I do actually love this voice.

1284
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:54.780
Can you imagine if every Doctor Who computer had this voice?

1285
00:50:54.840 --> 00:50:56.039
Imagine the boss.

1286
00:50:56.099 --> 00:50:58.079
Sexy boss or Votan?

1287
00:50:58.139 --> 00:50:59.039
should have been.

1288
00:50:59.099 --> 00:51:01.619
They're all taking the piss out of Major Barrett, aren't they?

1289
00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:03.659
As you should.

1290
00:51:03.780 --> 00:51:05.460
Wasn't it Juno Baker doing the voice?

1291
00:51:07.019 --> 00:51:10.980
If you just had a look at the captions there, the computer in

1292
00:51:10.980 --> 00:51:13.380
brackets said sexily, you're welcome.

1293
00:51:13.500 --> 00:51:15.420
I love this scene.

1294
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:17.639
There's a moment that the doctor and Perry just look at each other

1295
00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:20.340
as she's going through things and just look at them.

1296
00:51:20.340 --> 00:51:21.599
It's fantastic.

1297
00:51:21.780 --> 00:51:24.239
Yes, yes, yes.

1298
00:51:24.300 --> 00:51:26.099
We both think the same thing.

1299
00:51:26.159 --> 00:51:28.380
And now I'm going to put on my face.

1300
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:30.239
Oh, it's fantastic.

1301
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:34.679
I think I think you're right about the size of Colin's performance

1302
00:51:34.739 --> 00:51:40.139
that he kind of lacks interiority. and like classic doctors don't

1303
00:51:40.139 --> 00:51:43.320
really have interiority, but coming back from Davison, where you

1304
00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:45.539
could very definitely tell what he was thinking, he was always

1305
00:51:45.539 --> 00:51:46.920
trying to do something with a line.

1306
00:51:46.980 --> 00:51:50.519
Um, whereas, he looks like Eric, say what that.

1307
00:51:50.579 --> 00:51:51.659
He does.

1308
00:51:51.780 --> 00:51:53.820
That's a revelation.

1309
00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:54.900
That's the revelation.

1310
00:51:55.260 --> 00:51:56.699
Wow.

1311
00:51:56.760 --> 00:51:59.280
It's one of Saywood's own wigs, I think.

1312
00:51:59.340 --> 00:52:00.719
I wonder if that wasn't deliberate.

1313
00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:05.880
Who was pissing Graham Harper off the most?

1314
00:52:05.940 --> 00:52:07.500
Precisely.

1315
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:12.360
Because he is, he really was the Dougie Cameron light, wasn't he?

1316
00:52:12.420 --> 00:52:17.579
Just because he was kept it together and held order, he still had

1317
00:52:17.579 --> 00:52:19.679
that military precision and that very short fuse.

1318
00:52:19.739 --> 00:52:22.559
Canfield had he'd worked with Canfield?

1319
00:52:22.619 --> 00:52:25.079
Yeah, he's been an Enjournue, yeah, yeah.

1320
00:52:25.139 --> 00:52:26.880
They both worked on the seeds of doom together.

1321
00:52:26.940 --> 00:52:27.659
Right.

1322
00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:31.619
I forgot that we were still on location here in what would have

1323
00:52:31.619 --> 00:52:35.699
been episode three, but you know, there is a lot of location

1324
00:52:35.699 --> 00:52:36.539
work.

1325
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:37.440
What are these things?

1326
00:52:37.500 --> 00:52:38.699
They're amazing.

1327
00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:40.920
It is a great location and it is really good.

1328
00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:46.079
And in a sort of proleptic reference to the parting of the ways.

1329
00:52:46.139 --> 00:52:52.019
We have bastic bullets here. welcome to the stage. once again.

1330
00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:53.460
I say, can I have Orsini's jacket?

1331
00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:53.940
Look at that.

1332
00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:54.539
It's amazing.

1333
00:52:54.659 --> 00:52:58.679
I like the gun. actually, with the little sort of...

1334
00:52:58.679 --> 00:52:59.940
I like the little nod too.

1335
00:52:59.940 --> 00:53:03.119
Sophie Eldred screen test we haven't seen yet and that he's

1336
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:04.380
wearing her jacket on the left there.

1337
00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:05.940
She's got bastards.

1338
00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:07.619
It's very up middle class.

1339
00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:12.840
The gun reminds me a bit of the Keys of Marinus, the little pod

1340
00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:15.059
things.

1341
00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:15.480
Yeah, yeah.

1342
00:53:15.539 --> 00:53:16.079
I don't know.

1343
00:53:16.139 --> 00:53:17.159
Words never heard.

1344
00:53:17.219 --> 00:53:19.079
That gun reminds me of the keys of marinace.

1345
00:53:19.139 --> 00:53:21.300
I like this screen as well.

1346
00:53:21.420 --> 00:53:24.840
The looking through screens, like having a transparent thing.

1347
00:53:24.900 --> 00:53:26.940
So we shoot them through a screen.

1348
00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:27.300
Yeah.

1349
00:53:27.539 --> 00:53:30.420
Did you do that a bit last year in caves?

1350
00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:32.699
Yeah, he had holograms where people walking around.

1351
00:53:32.699 --> 00:53:34.139
Walking around, they did too.

1352
00:53:34.139 --> 00:53:34.739
How beautiful it was.

1353
00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:39.539
I'm definitely getting a vibe that this scene is titillation for

1354
00:53:39.539 --> 00:53:43.380
the for the production office on how they would be casting the 7th

1355
00:53:43.380 --> 00:53:47.099
doctor and companion because honestly, tropishly, it's almost

1356
00:53:47.099 --> 00:53:48.239
scene for scene.

1357
00:53:48.300 --> 00:53:49.679
I'm not a little girl anymore.

1358
00:53:49.739 --> 00:53:52.079
I love how they both have rats' tails.

1359
00:53:52.139 --> 00:53:54.000
That's very period, isn't it?

1360
00:53:54.119 --> 00:53:56.760
And this, of course, was supposed to be a flying dalek, but they

1361
00:53:56.760 --> 00:53:59.099
couldn't manage to do it.

1362
00:53:59.159 --> 00:54:01.920
But they seem to have brought a lot of explosives.

1363
00:54:01.980 --> 00:54:03.360
It's a great explosion.

1364
00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:05.820
I believe this is an aerodrome?

1365
00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:06.719
Plastic heads.

1366
00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:07.860
That's a revelation?

1367
00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:11.460
There's plastic heads on the closed captions instead of bastic

1368
00:54:11.460 --> 00:54:12.599
which is what it actually is.

1369
00:54:12.659 --> 00:54:15.000
Long suffering person doing the captions, like, what?

1370
00:54:15.059 --> 00:54:15.300
What?

1371
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:15.840
Plastic.

1372
00:54:15.900 --> 00:54:17.820
Is it an old World War II?

1373
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:19.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1374
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:23.579
Still talking to her and getting more frustrated. fantastic.

1375
00:54:26.699 --> 00:54:28.079
Perpetually the statement.

1376
00:54:28.139 --> 00:54:33.300
I do like the use of the term, the word inhumation as well, for

1377
00:54:33.300 --> 00:54:33.900
burial.

1378
00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:39.659
I think Eric's having fun with this script, and you don't get a

1379
00:54:39.659 --> 00:54:41.280
sense that he's having fun a lot of the time.

1380
00:54:41.460 --> 00:54:45.000
I think, you know, like he's branching out.

1381
00:54:45.059 --> 00:54:47.579
I think just the military stuff, you know, that he wants to do

1382
00:54:47.579 --> 00:54:48.960
something a bit more satirical.

1383
00:54:49.019 --> 00:54:52.320
And that he was away from the production office and so maybe he

1384
00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:55.019
wasn't have the stress of, we have to remember what it was like

1385
00:54:55.019 --> 00:54:55.619
for him as well.

1386
00:54:55.679 --> 00:55:01.320
And JNT was just rattling around, really giving no feed except

1387
00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:03.780
criticism and then going to a convention and bringing back

1388
00:55:03.780 --> 00:55:07.320
whatever received fan wisdom was of the time. really didn't help.

1389
00:55:07.380 --> 00:55:11.159
But also too, J&T wasn't allowing old writers to come back.

1390
00:55:11.219 --> 00:55:14.219
You know, Eric's talked about that, you know. and that's a

1391
00:55:14.219 --> 00:55:14.400
problem.

1392
00:55:14.460 --> 00:55:18.599
Was this the era at which he was spending most of his time doing

1393
00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:20.099
his Christmas panto as well?

1394
00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:22.860
Well, that's what the Colin and Nicola were doing with Anthony

1395
00:55:22.860 --> 00:55:25.079
Anley, I think, at the time, the Christmas panto.

1396
00:55:25.139 --> 00:55:26.159
I mean, where's your priority?

1397
00:55:26.219 --> 00:55:28.440
Yeah, oh, so that's why they're not in episode one.

1398
00:55:28.440 --> 00:55:29.639
That's right.

1399
00:55:29.699 --> 00:55:30.179
Yeah.

1400
00:55:30.179 --> 00:55:33.300
I think they might have decided to shoot in Portsmouth because it

1401
00:55:33.300 --> 00:55:34.559
was near the Panto location as well.

1402
00:55:34.619 --> 00:55:36.239
Oh, God.

1403
00:55:37.139 --> 00:55:39.960
Well, look, I mean those things are still important.

1404
00:55:40.019 --> 00:55:44.280
And one of the things that Russell and like the other 3 letter

1405
00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:50.159
initialism, like that RTD and JNT have in common is that they're

1406
00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:54.300
both acutely aware that part of their job is to keep the show in

1407
00:55:54.300 --> 00:55:56.280
the public eye and make it huge.

1408
00:55:56.280 --> 00:55:59.820
And Russell manages to do that by creating the sort of, you know

1409
00:55:59.820 --> 00:56:03.960
Doctor Who cinematic universe with bunches of spinoffs and all

1410
00:56:03.960 --> 00:56:06.179
sorts of things and he does it really successfully.

1411
00:56:06.300 --> 00:56:08.519
Well, he also creates a show people want to watch.

1412
00:56:08.579 --> 00:56:10.079
Well, yeah, there's that as well.

1413
00:56:11.159 --> 00:56:14.940
Yeah, the pilot massage with Mistor didn't get off the ground.

1414
00:56:18.059 --> 00:56:20.219
Wow, I would watch the hell out of that time.

1415
00:56:21.300 --> 00:56:24.059
Spiel, Snape, Spiel, Snape.

1416
00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:26.039
Oh, Edward.

1417
00:56:27.300 --> 00:56:32.099
Our safe word for today will be either Romulus or Remus.

1418
00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:33.179
Not both at once.

1419
00:56:33.239 --> 00:56:34.440
No, they're interchangeable.

1420
00:56:34.500 --> 00:56:36.599
Haven't they been embalmed?

1421
00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:39.420
Look at that.

1422
00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:41.099
This story just looks amazing, doesn't it?

1423
00:56:41.159 --> 00:56:42.420
It looks really good.

1424
00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:46.139
I genuinely think that when the show came back in 2005.

1425
00:56:46.260 --> 00:56:48.780
This was one of the few stories you could have taken and shown

1426
00:56:48.780 --> 00:56:51.119
alongside it and it wouldn't have looked like a museum piece.

1427
00:56:52.619 --> 00:56:56.820
The Graham's really good with his studio cameras.

1428
00:56:56.880 --> 00:56:58.679
Everything's covered brilliantly.

1429
00:56:58.739 --> 00:57:00.059
It's the lighting and the setting.

1430
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:03.360
It's also the positioning of the actors and the way that the

1431
00:57:03.360 --> 00:57:04.320
camera moves around them.

1432
00:57:04.380 --> 00:57:07.500
You're not aware of a camera presence, but look how many jump cuts

1433
00:57:07.500 --> 00:57:07.860
there are.

1434
00:57:07.920 --> 00:57:10.980
There's a lot of...

1435
00:57:10.980 --> 00:57:14.280
I actually love Colin's delivery of that line.

1436
00:57:14.340 --> 00:57:15.059
Oh, yes.

1437
00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:16.559
And then boom, boom.

1438
00:57:16.619 --> 00:57:18.539
And the Christmas Daleks.

1439
00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:21.539
So excited to see Christmas Daleks.

1440
00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:23.219
They're beautiful, aren't they?

1441
00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:24.900
Who would have thought that colour scheme would work?

1442
00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:25.920
It looks amazing.

1443
00:57:25.980 --> 00:57:29.099
And they look even better when they come back. in a few years time

1444
00:57:29.099 --> 00:57:30.719
with the nice sexy eyes.

1445
00:57:30.780 --> 00:57:33.360
Oh, yeah, well, they've had a bit more money spent on them.

1446
00:57:33.420 --> 00:57:33.599
Yeah.

1447
00:57:33.659 --> 00:57:34.920
Yeah.

1448
00:57:34.980 --> 00:57:37.139
I mean they're new props, aren't they, when they come back for

1449
00:57:37.139 --> 00:57:38.579
remembrance.

1450
00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:42.480
I think they made like a half dozen new props for this.

1451
00:57:42.539 --> 00:57:44.099
I wouldn't be surprised if they reused them.

1452
00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:44.519
Oh, okay.

1453
00:57:44.519 --> 00:57:47.159
The white dialects in this island are new props.

1454
00:57:47.219 --> 00:57:48.059
Yeah, right.

1455
00:57:48.119 --> 00:57:50.460
And you can tell when the gray ones turn up at the end, they look

1456
00:57:50.460 --> 00:57:51.719
like they're a bit more rattly.

1457
00:57:51.780 --> 00:57:54.960
So this is just a redress set of the other office, isn't it?

1458
00:57:55.019 --> 00:57:56.460
Oh, so it is.

1459
00:57:56.519 --> 00:57:58.800
They've just turned the lights blue instead of pink.

1460
00:57:58.860 --> 00:58:01.619
Someone's turned on the air conditioning in the 0 room.

1461
00:58:03.059 --> 00:58:09.000
This is just like this creepiness of his character there is

1462
00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:09.780
just...

1463
00:58:09.780 --> 00:58:10.199
It's gross.

1464
00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:10.980
Oh yeah.

1465
00:58:11.039 --> 00:58:13.679
And it is weird how the doctor sends Perry off with him.

1466
00:58:13.739 --> 00:58:15.420
Go with the sexual predator Perry.

1467
00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:18.360
In, um, in the loved one.

1468
00:58:18.420 --> 00:58:22.679
In the loved one, his analogue, Mr. Joyboy, lives with his mother

1469
00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:24.900
and is coded as gay, isn't he?

1470
00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:26.280
Like, he's a cosmetician.

1471
00:58:26.340 --> 00:58:32.039
And there's a wonderful detail where there's a female lead, who's

1472
00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:35.940
not really a lead, because the book's so misogynist, and he

1473
00:58:35.940 --> 00:58:41.099
expresses his love for her by sending a series of corpses up to be

1474
00:58:41.099 --> 00:58:43.260
kind of given the finishing touches.

1475
00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:46.320
It's her job to give them finishing touches and the corpses all

1476
00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:51.420
have big smiles on them because he's so happy about how their

1477
00:58:51.420 --> 00:58:53.159
relationship is going.

1478
00:58:53.219 --> 00:58:54.719
That's what I mean by toning it down.

1479
00:58:54.780 --> 00:58:57.119
The loved one is very, very much nastier than this.

1480
00:58:57.179 --> 00:59:01.860
But I love the fact here that he drops into his English accent and

1481
00:59:01.860 --> 00:59:02.760
he's a beautiful character.

1482
00:59:02.820 --> 00:59:03.780
Yeah.

1483
00:59:03.840 --> 00:59:05.099
Yeah.

1484
00:59:05.159 --> 00:59:05.880
Yeah.

1485
00:59:05.940 --> 00:59:06.599
He is very sweet.

1486
00:59:06.659 --> 00:59:08.039
Is that shot differently?

1487
00:59:08.099 --> 00:59:10.440
Like, is there some sort of baseline or something on the lens?

1488
00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:13.380
In this in these shots?

1489
00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:14.880
Yeah, it's short and soft focus.

1490
00:59:14.940 --> 00:59:15.900
Yeah, I thought...

1491
00:59:15.900 --> 00:59:19.199
He saw one of the unsung heroes of Doctor Two.

1492
00:59:19.260 --> 00:59:21.780
These characters who come in and just align with the doctor and

1493
00:59:21.780 --> 00:59:24.360
his friends because they're good characters and then end up dying

1494
00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:24.780
horribly.

1495
00:59:24.840 --> 00:59:27.719
In fact, he's the only good person in the whole thing.

1496
00:59:28.679 --> 00:59:30.059
Yeah.

1497
00:59:30.119 --> 00:59:31.260
So he has to die.

1498
00:59:31.380 --> 00:59:31.800
Yeah.

1499
00:59:31.860 --> 00:59:33.000
Horribly.

1500
00:59:33.059 --> 00:59:36.480
Horribly. that he that he dies.

1501
00:59:36.539 --> 00:59:39.179
I like how well done that is. too.

1502
00:59:39.239 --> 00:59:42.119
Like I don't, you know, like killing character is for effect, I

1503
00:59:42.119 --> 00:59:43.920
think, is sort of terribly cheap and stuff.

1504
00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:50.579
But having it done just in audio and not hearing it, I think it's

1505
00:59:50.579 --> 00:59:52.800
really good with a doctor's reaction and stuff.

1506
00:59:53.039 --> 00:59:55.260
Oh, yeah, it's over the microphone.

1507
00:59:55.320 --> 00:59:56.460
Yeah, very sane.

1508
00:59:56.519 --> 00:59:57.179
Why don't you kill him?

1509
00:59:57.239 --> 00:59:57.960
Yeah, it's wonderful.

1510
00:59:59.219 --> 01:00:01.320
Look at this lovely scene.

1511
01:00:01.380 --> 01:00:02.400
She's doing such a good job.

1512
01:00:03.420 --> 01:00:08.219
So this is the temptation. of Tessemika.

1513
01:00:08.280 --> 01:00:08.639
Yeah.

1514
01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:10.260
It's interesting, isn't it?

1515
01:00:10.320 --> 01:00:13.619
It takes Davros's character back to where it started because in

1516
01:00:13.619 --> 01:00:15.599
the previous 2 stories he's just been a cypher.

1517
01:00:15.659 --> 01:00:20.400
Whereas in Genesis, Davros could read people. manipulate them.

1518
01:00:20.460 --> 01:00:23.880
What do you think of Molloy as Davros?

1519
01:00:23.940 --> 01:00:25.920
He does a nice line and a gurgling laugh.

1520
01:00:25.980 --> 01:00:28.860
It's hard. hard to say, isn't it?

1521
01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:31.619
Because, again, it comes down to script and direction.

1522
01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:34.800
So Malloy, again, ooh, he's good on the audios.

1523
01:00:34.860 --> 01:00:36.719
He's great with Colin in the audios.

1524
01:00:36.780 --> 01:00:40.980
Really, really nice And I, this is Molloy here now, isn't it?

1525
01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:42.239
Yeah, he's lovely in this as well.

1526
01:00:42.300 --> 01:00:46.320
He's a meteor devil, isn't he, to go with our current theme?

1527
01:00:46.380 --> 01:00:51.780
There's a lot of offal in this. awful themed podcast today isn't

1528
01:00:51.780 --> 01:00:52.019
he?

1529
01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:53.219
He's better than...

1530
01:00:53.219 --> 01:00:55.800
I like him in all of his 3 stories.

1531
01:00:55.860 --> 01:00:57.539
I think he's better than David Gooderson.

1532
01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:02.159
I think probably the problem is that, you know, in Genesis, you've

1533
01:01:02.159 --> 01:01:04.139
got 6 episodes with him.

1534
01:01:04.199 --> 01:01:08.219
You've got quite a lot of time and you get to see him before he

1535
01:01:08.219 --> 01:01:11.940
turns into the creator of the Daleks when he doesn't have that

1536
01:01:11.940 --> 01:01:12.780
mythic status.

1537
01:01:13.260 --> 01:01:15.360
I think that's also the point.

1538
01:01:15.420 --> 01:01:18.480
You get the fragility of the actor himself, Michael Wisher and the

1539
01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:21.659
tiny bath chair and the withering and you get lots of pull back

1540
01:01:21.659 --> 01:01:22.860
shots of Dave Ross.

1541
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:27.059
But Malloy definitely is a far more rubicund Davrils.

1542
01:01:27.179 --> 01:01:29.099
I've been eating better.

1543
01:01:29.159 --> 01:01:30.300
Yes.

1544
01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:32.460
What both of them get.

1545
01:01:32.519 --> 01:01:36.659
And I think what probably Julian Bleach gets as well is the

1546
01:01:36.659 --> 01:01:40.800
different registers, you know, that he has a very quiet voice and

1547
01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:45.000
perhaps even slightly camp, like a, you know, when he speaks very

1548
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:45.900
quietly.

1549
01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:47.280
I'm right here.

1550
01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:51.119
I love this, how they enter the daleks in this scene.

1551
01:01:51.239 --> 01:01:54.900
Oh, this is oh, gorgeous.

1552
01:01:55.019 --> 01:01:55.980
Oh, there he goes.

1553
01:01:56.039 --> 01:01:57.780
Oh, this look, this look.

1554
01:01:57.840 --> 01:02:00.179
Oh, the little puppy look.

1555
01:02:00.239 --> 01:02:01.440
And now he's dead.

1556
01:02:01.800 --> 01:02:05.219
He does fall in a very comfortable way, doesn't he?

1557
01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:06.780
I think it's a great extermination.

1558
01:02:06.840 --> 01:02:07.619
Yeah.

1559
01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:08.940
It's better than people just lying down.

1560
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:11.400
She barely reacts in destiny.

1561
01:02:11.460 --> 01:02:16.860
Well, in fact, I love her line, you know, like in that...

1562
01:02:16.980 --> 01:02:19.860
Well, like we were saying earlier with Colin being very external

1563
01:02:19.920 --> 01:02:22.079
and that's all interior, isn't it?

1564
01:02:22.139 --> 01:02:22.619
Yeah, yeah.

1565
01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:29.699
This is a nice little scene.

1566
01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:37.139
I like the fact that he has, um, taken him upon himself to call in

1567
01:02:37.139 --> 01:02:39.900
an outside force which we're going to see shortly.

1568
01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:42.420
Like there's something going on in the background that you don't

1569
01:02:42.420 --> 01:02:43.500
necessarily pick up.

1570
01:02:43.559 --> 01:02:43.980
Yeah.

1571
01:02:44.039 --> 01:02:47.219
And we are made privy to everyone else's.

1572
01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:48.780
You're a very naughty man.

1573
01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:50.159
It's a revelation.

1574
01:02:53.880 --> 01:02:56.159
I think we should have a little time.

1575
01:02:56.280 --> 01:02:57.239
I mean look at the framing of that.

1576
01:02:57.360 --> 01:03:00.900
Well, well, that's the that's the camera that that's what we're

1577
01:03:00.900 --> 01:03:01.440
going to see.

1578
01:03:01.500 --> 01:03:03.420
Desert Baker has been watching all along.

1579
01:03:03.480 --> 01:03:05.880
And in fact, they were all looking up in the air while they were

1580
01:03:05.880 --> 01:03:09.840
conspiring, only to discover that in fact, look, they have been

1581
01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:12.420
being observed by the great healer the whole time.

1582
01:03:14.280 --> 01:03:19.679
Do you remember how cut up this was in when we 1st saw it in

1583
01:03:19.679 --> 01:03:20.099
Australia?

1584
01:03:20.219 --> 01:03:24.960
Oh, this ripped the climax out of it, didn't they, with Joe Bell?

1585
01:03:25.019 --> 01:03:25.800
Yeah, yeah.

1586
01:03:25.860 --> 01:03:26.760
I did they?

1587
01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:27.119
Yeah.

1588
01:03:27.179 --> 01:03:30.000
So that scene, there's a, you know, the scene and we're getting

1589
01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:31.199
ahead of ourselves, but whatever.

1590
01:03:31.260 --> 01:03:34.380
Where Joe Bell dies and it's perfectly timed.

1591
01:03:34.440 --> 01:03:38.280
I don't know how it was achieved, but his 2 pay falls off onto the

1592
01:03:38.280 --> 01:03:41.820
ground, like just a moment, you know, there's a little bead

1593
01:03:41.880 --> 01:03:44.340
wonderful because at the start of that scene, he's fussing around

1594
01:03:44.340 --> 01:03:45.539
with it in the mirror.

1595
01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:50.880
But all that was cut when it was shown in Australia.

1596
01:03:51.000 --> 01:03:54.179
And so she rushes in and then she rushes off and we don't know

1597
01:03:54.179 --> 01:03:55.320
what she's done.

1598
01:03:55.380 --> 01:03:59.579
Like she threatens him and maybe goes to stab him because there's

1599
01:03:59.579 --> 01:04:02.579
a prolonged scene where he's sort of stumbling with a syringe

1600
01:04:02.579 --> 01:04:03.059
coming.

1601
01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:07.079
That's the thing where she goes to stab him, and then you hear him

1602
01:04:07.079 --> 01:04:10.619
sort of go, and then it cuts to her running through the corridor

1603
01:04:10.619 --> 01:04:12.480
so you don't see any of the aftermath.

1604
01:04:12.780 --> 01:04:15.059
Oh, okay, you don't see any of that.

1605
01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:18.300
Again, the Dalek eye stalk just came into shock when she turned

1606
01:04:18.300 --> 01:04:18.719
around.

1607
01:04:18.780 --> 01:04:22.139
Another great directional. blocking is so good on this.

1608
01:04:25.199 --> 01:04:28.500
How did oh, because he's got a gas mask on?

1609
01:04:28.559 --> 01:04:31.920
I was just wondering, how does how does Boston manage to sneak up

1610
01:04:31.920 --> 01:04:32.400
on anyone?

1611
01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:37.260
That's a revelation.

1612
01:04:37.260 --> 01:04:39.539
Smell anything in that thing.

1613
01:04:42.599 --> 01:04:44.579
The music in this as well.

1614
01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:47.880
Is Graham Harper the only director who ever got an actual scorer

1615
01:04:47.880 --> 01:04:52.500
out of Roger Lim, rather than squeaks and squawks and Ark of

1616
01:04:52.500 --> 01:04:53.579
Infinity soundscape?

1617
01:04:53.639 --> 01:04:54.539
Yeah.

1618
01:04:54.900 --> 01:04:57.179
I'm struggling to remember it.

1619
01:04:57.239 --> 01:04:59.699
But, uh, it's like Cave Zone Design.

1620
01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:01.739
It's the 2nd iteration of that.

1621
01:05:01.800 --> 01:05:02.340
Right.

1622
01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:03.599
And Roger Lim did that as well.

1623
01:05:03.659 --> 01:05:04.019
Yeah.

1624
01:05:04.079 --> 01:05:06.599
Did directors get to choose who did the music?

1625
01:05:06.659 --> 01:05:07.019
No.

1626
01:05:07.079 --> 01:05:08.460
It was just assigned?

1627
01:05:08.519 --> 01:05:09.599
No, not those.

1628
01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:13.619
Chris Cranfield always said, we'll be having none of the Aussie

1629
01:05:13.619 --> 01:05:15.599
striney, blokey type noise for me.

1630
01:05:15.659 --> 01:05:16.139
Thank you.

1631
01:05:16.199 --> 01:05:19.500
I want the London saxophone call. very much.

1632
01:05:19.559 --> 01:05:22.199
Maybe he just made his preferences known ahead of time.

1633
01:05:22.260 --> 01:05:22.980
Yeah.

1634
01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:26.280
That we did tell that story on the podcast, I think.

1635
01:05:26.340 --> 01:05:27.179
Yeah.

1636
01:05:27.239 --> 01:05:29.579
And you know, it's actually a little bit debunked, that story.

1637
01:05:29.639 --> 01:05:30.420
Is it?

1638
01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:30.840
Yeah.

1639
01:05:30.900 --> 01:05:36.780
Although, I mean, there's one... there is literally one episode of

1640
01:05:36.780 --> 01:05:41.099
the 52 Blake 7 episodes, only one of them isn't scored by Dudley

1641
01:05:41.099 --> 01:05:43.920
Simpson, and it is Canfields.

1642
01:05:43.980 --> 01:05:45.599
And do you know why that is?

1643
01:05:45.659 --> 01:05:49.139
It's because they were running behind on their schedule so much

1644
01:05:49.139 --> 01:05:52.500
that Dudley couldn't keep up with the finished episodes and Duel

1645
01:05:52.500 --> 01:05:55.559
was the only one where he said, I can either do this episode or I

1646
01:05:55.559 --> 01:05:56.340
can do the next episode.

1647
01:05:56.400 --> 01:05:56.940
You can't have both.

1648
01:05:57.000 --> 01:05:57.719
Wow.

1649
01:05:57.780 --> 01:05:58.920
So it's a coincidence.

1650
01:05:58.980 --> 01:05:59.820
It's a coincidence.

1651
01:06:03.239 --> 01:06:04.980
Richard remains unconvinced.

1652
01:06:06.119 --> 01:06:10.199
I would have liked to have played the president's wife, actually

1653
01:06:10.199 --> 01:06:11.099
if I was in this.

1654
01:06:11.159 --> 01:06:12.719
It would have been relaxing, you know.

1655
01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:14.039
Do you like a bit of frothing?

1656
01:06:14.099 --> 01:06:14.579
Yeah, yeah.

1657
01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:16.260
I can froth on command actually.

1658
01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:17.460
I can froth on command.

1659
01:06:17.519 --> 01:06:18.960
Who is lying underneath that?

1660
01:06:19.019 --> 01:06:20.280
I'm like Elizabeth Moss.

1661
01:06:23.340 --> 01:06:24.780
Or is it just a mannequin?

1662
01:06:24.840 --> 01:06:26.699
Well, the hands look real.

1663
01:06:26.760 --> 01:06:30.840
No, they borrowed from from the Thunderbirds, their Lady

1664
01:06:30.840 --> 01:06:33.599
Penelope's hands, from the close-ups in the Thunderbirds.

1665
01:06:33.659 --> 01:06:34.800
Off the Sitex cushion.

1666
01:06:35.579 --> 01:06:39.599
I told you how she's always coming and saying, Mr. Joe Bell.

1667
01:06:39.659 --> 01:06:42.420
I think Big Finishes missed a range here.

1668
01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:43.559
They could have the Mr. series.

1669
01:06:43.619 --> 01:06:45.420
I've heard Mr. Jobil.

1670
01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:46.199
And then guess who else?

1671
01:06:46.260 --> 01:06:47.340
Who else?

1672
01:06:47.400 --> 01:06:49.260
Senator Alcott from the Minder Evil.

1673
01:06:49.320 --> 01:06:50.340
Mr. Fu Pang.

1674
01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:52.019
Just stop it.

1675
01:06:52.079 --> 01:06:56.039
If you say that 3 times, Peter, there will be a box set by the

1676
01:06:56.039 --> 01:06:58.679
time we finished recording. then we'll have Mr. Mestor.

1677
01:06:58.739 --> 01:07:02.099
If you say Meshtra Fufang 3 times, a Chinese dragon appears.

1678
01:07:02.159 --> 01:07:03.420
A vinyl one.

1679
01:07:06.480 --> 01:07:08.639
Oh, so here we go.

1680
01:07:08.699 --> 01:07:10.199
Yeah, here we go.

1681
01:07:11.699 --> 01:07:14.639
I actually, she is so horrible.

1682
01:07:14.699 --> 01:07:16.500
I mean he is so horrible to her.

1683
01:07:16.559 --> 01:07:20.760
Like the, the, um, what does he say?

1684
01:07:20.820 --> 01:07:22.860
I think I would rather have sex with my own mother or something.

1685
01:07:22.920 --> 01:07:27.000
Or other snog mayor. like a fat fawning creep or something like

1686
01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:27.239
that.

1687
01:07:27.239 --> 01:07:29.039
It's really gross. really awful.

1688
01:07:29.099 --> 01:07:30.000
Yeah, yeah.

1689
01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:31.679
And she says to him, I knew you could be cruel.

1690
01:07:31.739 --> 01:07:34.679
She likes him even though he's a horrible person.

1691
01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:36.840
So here we go.

1692
01:07:36.960 --> 01:07:40.320
We're not requiring much acting from Clive, that here.

1693
01:07:41.159 --> 01:07:43.920
He does say, yeah, I have the pick of the women.

1694
01:07:43.980 --> 01:07:46.679
So I think he's really pushing his boundaries there. blank you.

1695
01:07:46.739 --> 01:07:48.059
Yeah, awful.

1696
01:07:48.119 --> 01:07:49.440
Own a falling creep.

1697
01:07:49.500 --> 01:07:52.019
Oh, yeah, that really gives an insight, doesn't it?

1698
01:07:52.079 --> 01:07:52.619
Yeah.

1699
01:07:56.880 --> 01:07:59.460
To think I almost threw up everything.

1700
01:08:02.219 --> 01:08:04.260
That's a revelation.

1701
01:08:04.320 --> 01:08:05.880
Oh my god, here we go.

1702
01:08:05.940 --> 01:08:07.079
Death by syringe.

1703
01:08:07.139 --> 01:08:08.579
I don't know if this should be in Doctor Who.

1704
01:08:08.639 --> 01:08:11.699
No, well, the ABC sensors clearly didn't think it should.

1705
01:08:11.760 --> 01:08:13.619
It's also the way she moves.

1706
01:08:13.679 --> 01:08:15.780
She's got a very pathetic kind of thing.

1707
01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:16.140
Yeah, yeah.

1708
01:08:16.199 --> 01:08:16.800
So here we go.

1709
01:08:16.859 --> 01:08:19.199
And it looks like SteadyCam as well.

1710
01:08:19.260 --> 01:08:22.140
Like, oh, yes, we're just going to walk past.

1711
01:08:22.260 --> 01:08:24.119
Yeah, we'll just nothing to see here.

1712
01:08:24.180 --> 01:08:24.720
Wow.

1713
01:08:24.720 --> 01:08:25.199
Yeah.

1714
01:08:25.260 --> 01:08:27.300
But then this.

1715
01:08:27.300 --> 01:08:28.979
She's just got a weapon in her hand.

1716
01:08:29.100 --> 01:08:31.680
And all the gunge has gone out of it into him.

1717
01:08:31.739 --> 01:08:33.840
And do we think it's embalming fluid?

1718
01:08:33.899 --> 01:08:34.920
Do we think that that's what that is?

1719
01:08:34.979 --> 01:08:35.279
Yeah.

1720
01:08:36.119 --> 01:08:38.640
So this was cut out of the Australian.

1721
01:08:38.699 --> 01:08:39.479
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1722
01:08:39.539 --> 01:08:40.859
That's unfair, isn't it?

1723
01:08:40.920 --> 01:08:42.359
But, you know, he looks down.

1724
01:08:42.420 --> 01:08:44.100
Oh my gosh, it's got a true pain.

1725
01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:45.239
That's a revelation.

1726
01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:49.380
No, it's not, but you always have to pay the entire time.

1727
01:08:49.439 --> 01:08:50.340
No, I didn't.

1728
01:08:50.460 --> 01:08:51.180
No, I didn't.

1729
01:08:51.180 --> 01:08:52.920
Goodbye, Tess and Bika. did love you.

1730
01:08:53.399 --> 01:08:56.039
Oh dear, this isn't going to go well for her.

1731
01:08:56.220 --> 01:08:57.899
Jess hands.

1732
01:08:59.819 --> 01:09:05.159
Why are Daleks italicised in the subtitles for these things?

1733
01:09:05.220 --> 01:09:06.119
I don't know.

1734
01:09:06.180 --> 01:09:10.020
No, they should bring back the Century 21 typeface, shouldn't they

1735
01:09:10.020 --> 01:09:10.319
Peter?

1736
01:09:10.380 --> 01:09:10.979
Yes.

1737
01:09:11.039 --> 01:09:13.979
Which had us cuniform mixed.

1738
01:09:14.039 --> 01:09:15.479
Yes. style to it.

1739
01:09:15.539 --> 01:09:16.979
For when the Daleks speak.

1740
01:09:17.039 --> 01:09:17.579
Yes.

1741
01:09:19.020 --> 01:09:21.720
And convert everything into Rels.

1742
01:09:22.920 --> 01:09:26.279
I wish big finish to throw some guys. like, oh, how many bells has

1743
01:09:26.279 --> 01:09:26.699
it been now?

1744
01:09:26.760 --> 01:09:27.479
It's been forever.

1745
01:09:28.319 --> 01:09:32.340
So this is one of the endings of part three.

1746
01:09:32.399 --> 01:09:33.840
Oh.

1747
01:09:33.840 --> 01:09:36.720
See, I like this too.

1748
01:09:36.779 --> 01:09:39.899
Like, and the way that he's not looking at the camera.

1749
01:09:41.100 --> 01:09:44.279
There's something there's something interesting about that

1750
01:09:44.279 --> 01:09:44.579
choice.

1751
01:09:45.479 --> 01:09:47.880
Which is actually quite a good end.

1752
01:09:48.239 --> 01:09:50.159
You're in terrible danger.

1753
01:09:50.220 --> 01:09:52.619
So he is looking at a camera.

1754
01:09:52.680 --> 01:09:57.180
It's also one of the instances where the 1st thing Perry says is

1755
01:09:57.180 --> 01:09:58.500
I've been worried about you to the doctor.

1756
01:09:58.619 --> 01:10:03.359
Yeah, yeah. is a puppet in this one, isn't it?

1757
01:10:03.420 --> 01:10:04.380
The head is a puppet.

1758
01:10:04.439 --> 01:10:06.960
No, no, the head is Terry Malloy.

1759
01:10:07.020 --> 01:10:08.220
But how does he...

1760
01:10:08.220 --> 01:10:12.239
So he's sitting on an office chair and swivelling around.

1761
01:10:12.300 --> 01:10:13.140
Not that far.

1762
01:10:13.260 --> 01:10:14.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1763
01:10:14.819 --> 01:10:16.859
And apparently it was very uncomfortable.

1764
01:10:16.920 --> 01:10:19.079
Yeah, but it's all around.

1765
01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:21.899
It's fooled me to this day.

1766
01:10:21.960 --> 01:10:23.460
It's very funny actually.

1767
01:10:23.520 --> 01:10:26.579
Oh, no, no, because you look, if you're in the close-ups, you can

1768
01:10:26.579 --> 01:10:30.779
see that you can still see the line between the latex and

1769
01:10:30.779 --> 01:10:32.100
Malloy's.

1770
01:10:32.159 --> 01:10:33.119
I assumed it was a 2 shot.

1771
01:10:33.180 --> 01:10:34.979
So when the head swivels, it was a part.

1772
01:10:35.039 --> 01:10:38.340
No, no, when the head swivels, it's him swinging round.

1773
01:10:38.460 --> 01:10:40.260
That's dedication.

1774
01:10:40.319 --> 01:10:41.100
That's cruelty.

1775
01:10:41.220 --> 01:10:41.939
Yeah, yeah.

1776
01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:43.680
But it's really affective, isn't it?

1777
01:10:43.739 --> 01:10:45.600
Because it helps sell the fact that he's just ahead.

1778
01:10:45.720 --> 01:10:49.020
James, where was the other end of...

1779
01:10:49.020 --> 01:10:52.500
It's the bit where Devil says, destroy that DJ.

1780
01:10:52.560 --> 01:10:53.760
Okay.

1781
01:10:53.760 --> 01:10:59.399
Both of them actually work. which is not that usual for a four

1782
01:10:58.920 --> 01:11:00.720
part Colin Baker story, is it?

1783
01:11:00.779 --> 01:11:02.100
Well, not in season 22.

1784
01:11:02.279 --> 01:11:03.060
That's horrible.

1785
01:11:03.119 --> 01:11:04.500
Look at the big bruise on her face.

1786
01:11:05.760 --> 01:11:11.460
We didn't comment on the bit where Grigory says I'm a doctor and

1787
01:11:11.460 --> 01:11:14.340
I'll recognise it's the awful thing that Richard talked about

1788
01:11:14.340 --> 01:11:17.520
earlier when they cut me open and things start plopping out, I'll

1789
01:11:17.520 --> 01:11:20.760
recognise the function of every, you know, major organ and stuff.

1790
01:11:20.819 --> 01:11:21.960
I think, really?

1791
01:11:22.020 --> 01:11:23.460
No, no, no, no, no, no.

1792
01:11:23.520 --> 01:11:25.439
That's a revelation.

1793
01:11:25.500 --> 01:11:28.859
You know, despite that, and despite the death by syringe and all

1794
01:11:28.859 --> 01:11:29.159
of that.

1795
01:11:29.220 --> 01:11:31.619
I do think this is a strong season.

1796
01:11:31.680 --> 01:11:33.479
Stronger than some of the ones around it.

1797
01:11:36.539 --> 01:11:37.739
I've got a question.

1798
01:11:37.800 --> 01:11:38.819
How about you?

1799
01:11:38.819 --> 01:11:40.199
I don't think, Glastonic.

1800
01:11:40.260 --> 01:11:45.060
Is the problem for critics at the time was, Saber's writing was

1801
01:11:45.060 --> 01:11:49.680
not strong enough, comedically or drily, he, in fact, he's not an

1802
01:11:49.680 --> 01:11:50.399
even watch.

1803
01:11:50.460 --> 01:11:52.800
So it isn't necessarily fun.

1804
01:11:52.859 --> 01:11:56.460
And that's the F factor that I wanted to ask you, but you will

1805
01:11:56.460 --> 01:11:56.939
today.

1806
01:11:57.659 --> 01:12:00.840
It seems a good moment as any to ask you.

1807
01:12:00.899 --> 01:12:01.260
Is this fun?

1808
01:12:01.319 --> 01:12:05.760
I think that this, I think that the performances and the direction

1809
01:12:05.760 --> 01:12:10.859
are good enough to kind of paper over that and say what's not good

1810
01:12:10.859 --> 01:12:12.840
but he's not, he's not super terrible.

1811
01:12:12.899 --> 01:12:13.979
There are some good moments.

1812
01:12:14.100 --> 01:12:14.699
Yeah, yeah.

1813
01:12:14.760 --> 01:12:16.560
Yeah, he's, but I...

1814
01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:17.699
I'm just talking about dialogue right now.

1815
01:12:17.760 --> 01:12:21.600
Yeah, his dialogue isn't good, but no, people are doing their best

1816
01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:22.260
to save it.

1817
01:12:22.319 --> 01:12:23.699
And there are some funny jokes here.

1818
01:12:23.760 --> 01:12:25.439
I think Kara's stuff is really funny.

1819
01:12:25.500 --> 01:12:27.539
You know, like...

1820
01:12:27.600 --> 01:12:35.100
Yeah, I just, I guess I think that, that it stopped being, um, a

1821
01:12:35.100 --> 01:12:39.840
family show and it, so it's the thing that, you know, your mum and

1822
01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:42.840
dad aren't going to sit and watch with you because they, they'll

1823
01:12:42.840 --> 01:12:44.399
think it's too gross and off-putting.

1824
01:12:44.939 --> 01:12:48.359
And, you know, Doctor Who is always a bit like that, I guess, but

1825
01:12:48.359 --> 01:12:50.039
this is just it turned up to 11.

1826
01:12:50.220 --> 01:12:52.979
Well, I think this would have been quite fun if it had been an

1827
01:12:52.979 --> 01:12:54.180
isolated instance.

1828
01:12:54.239 --> 01:12:57.479
If you'd had like a black humour, gruesome story in a season that

1829
01:12:57.479 --> 01:12:59.699
wasn't all black humour.

1830
01:12:59.760 --> 01:13:02.399
Whereas it just feels like it's crystallising everything rather

1831
01:13:02.399 --> 01:13:03.659
than being a fun aberration.

1832
01:13:03.779 --> 01:13:07.260
Look, I mean, I don't like, I don't dislike things being black and

1833
01:13:07.260 --> 01:13:09.180
I really like black humour and stuff.

1834
01:13:09.239 --> 01:13:10.260
I just don't think this is very good.

1835
01:13:10.319 --> 01:13:11.279
Black humour is the problem.

1836
01:13:11.340 --> 01:13:14.939
And also the inverse of what you were saying, where the directors

1837
01:13:14.939 --> 01:13:17.939
bringing a lot to it is the 2 doctors, where you have actually a

1838
01:13:17.939 --> 01:13:21.060
pretty decent script, but the director's not bringing anything to

1839
01:13:21.060 --> 01:13:23.399
it. just left to stand or fall by itself.

1840
01:13:23.460 --> 01:13:26.220
This shot here of Dove Ross flying.

1841
01:13:26.279 --> 01:13:28.619
I always got confused by as a kid, I couldn't quite work out what

1842
01:13:28.619 --> 01:13:28.979
was happening.

1843
01:13:29.039 --> 01:13:33.420
It's going a little bit beyond what the show can actually achieve

1844
01:13:33.420 --> 01:13:34.079
at this point.

1845
01:13:34.140 --> 01:13:36.779
So there's all these elements, kind of mattered onto each other.

1846
01:13:36.840 --> 01:13:38.220
It just looks like a giant mess.

1847
01:13:38.340 --> 01:13:40.859
Do you know, I've seen... the DVD?

1848
01:13:40.979 --> 01:13:44.220
I've seen a version of this story where Davros is not hovering in

1849
01:13:44.220 --> 01:13:44.699
the air there.

1850
01:13:44.760 --> 01:13:47.819
He's hovering at the top of the stairs and that's the shop.

1851
01:13:47.880 --> 01:13:50.760
He's not hovering. at the top of the stairs and speaking down to

1852
01:13:50.760 --> 01:13:51.539
Orsini.

1853
01:13:51.600 --> 01:13:53.399
So I wonder if they just thought that didn't work.

1854
01:13:53.460 --> 01:13:56.460
They've taken Davros from that and plopped him over the top.

1855
01:13:56.520 --> 01:13:57.180
I don't know.

1856
01:13:57.359 --> 01:14:00.359
But he was talking from the top of the stairs in the previous

1857
01:14:00.359 --> 01:14:01.020
shots.

1858
01:14:01.079 --> 01:14:02.699
Yeah, doesn't quite work.

1859
01:14:02.819 --> 01:14:04.619
And I can't work out what's happening here.

1860
01:14:04.680 --> 01:14:06.000
Is that a giant dalek now?

1861
01:14:06.060 --> 01:14:06.779
What's happening?

1862
01:14:06.840 --> 01:14:09.000
No, it's just the composite shot.

1863
01:14:09.000 --> 01:14:09.779
It's related to death.

1864
01:14:10.079 --> 01:14:13.920
It was supposed to be hovering above them and shooting down on the

1865
01:14:13.920 --> 01:14:18.300
bit because of the limitations of the production. couldn't make it

1866
01:14:18.300 --> 01:14:18.420
work.

1867
01:14:18.479 --> 01:14:22.619
It just goes to show how completely dispensable those characters

1868
01:14:22.619 --> 01:14:23.039
worth.

1869
01:14:23.100 --> 01:14:26.579
Or they do is chew up runtime.

1870
01:14:27.119 --> 01:14:31.079
I mean, I guess what they make the discovery of what's going

1871
01:14:31.079 --> 01:14:35.520
what's happening with the uh, with the people who are in tranquil

1872
01:14:35.520 --> 01:14:35.939
repose.

1873
01:14:36.060 --> 01:14:36.479
I don't know.

1874
01:14:36.539 --> 01:14:39.779
Well, as with so many say word characters, they're decent enough

1875
01:14:39.779 --> 01:14:42.359
by themselves, but once they've finished playing whatever role

1876
01:14:42.359 --> 01:14:45.600
they have in the story, he just, yeah, just dispose of them

1877
01:14:45.600 --> 01:14:46.920
instantly, they never get a good ending.

1878
01:14:50.220 --> 01:14:53.520
It's nice that she's sort of been brought into the main action

1879
01:14:53.520 --> 01:14:53.819
here.

1880
01:14:57.779 --> 01:15:00.180
I love her delivery.

1881
01:15:00.899 --> 01:15:06.899
Her great big bomb, like...

1882
01:15:06.960 --> 01:15:07.680
You fool.

1883
01:15:07.800 --> 01:15:08.460
It a bomb.

1884
01:15:08.520 --> 01:15:09.840
It's a great big bomb.

1885
01:15:09.899 --> 01:15:11.100
Oh, both die.

1886
01:15:11.159 --> 01:15:11.939
You before me.

1887
01:15:12.000 --> 01:15:12.779
It's so good.

1888
01:15:16.199 --> 01:15:18.779
She is just tremendous.

1889
01:15:20.520 --> 01:15:24.060
Is this her audition piece for Patsy's mother?

1890
01:15:24.119 --> 01:15:25.020
Pretty much.

1891
01:15:25.260 --> 01:15:28.979
Get the impression that Eleanor Braun was always slightly too good

1892
01:15:28.979 --> 01:15:30.300
for anything she was ever in.

1893
01:15:30.359 --> 01:15:35.100
You remember our 1st gigs were on David Frost with, that is the

1894
01:15:35.100 --> 01:15:40.260
week that was when she was, well, because she'd been hanging

1895
01:15:40.260 --> 01:15:44.100
around with Clees and Chapman and the other lads.

1896
01:15:44.159 --> 01:15:47.279
And she was there as one of the writers and one of the performers

1897
01:15:47.279 --> 01:15:48.180
right from the early days.

1898
01:15:48.600 --> 01:15:51.239
I remember her being in bedazzled.

1899
01:15:51.840 --> 01:15:53.579
Oh, yes.

1900
01:15:53.760 --> 01:15:55.319
Here we go.

1901
01:15:55.380 --> 01:15:55.979
It's bomb.

1902
01:15:56.039 --> 01:15:57.060
It's a bomb.

1903
01:15:57.600 --> 01:16:02.520
And she just... she turns to him.

1904
01:16:02.699 --> 01:16:05.279
She's so good.

1905
01:16:05.399 --> 01:16:06.000
Look at this.

1906
01:16:06.060 --> 01:16:10.800
And you see, even, even that terrible, say witty and dialogue she

1907
01:16:10.800 --> 01:16:12.119
manages as well.

1908
01:16:12.359 --> 01:16:14.699
Ah, that's a revelation.

1909
01:16:14.760 --> 01:16:15.180
All of it.

1910
01:16:15.239 --> 01:16:18.300
The way she, he sort of stabs her under the breast.

1911
01:16:18.420 --> 01:16:19.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1912
01:16:19.680 --> 01:16:22.140
That's where Leila was taught to strike underneath the

1913
01:16:22.140 --> 01:16:22.680
breastbone.

1914
01:16:22.739 --> 01:16:24.359
It's just...

1915
01:16:24.359 --> 01:16:29.399
So you know where Seward got the name of her character from?

1916
01:16:29.460 --> 01:16:34.979
A local potato in Rhodes when he was...

1917
01:16:34.979 --> 01:16:36.060
What, the car potato?

1918
01:16:36.119 --> 01:16:37.380
Yeah, the cara potato.

1919
01:16:37.439 --> 01:16:40.439
I thought he'd watched episode 5 of the Keys of Marinace and said

1920
01:16:40.439 --> 01:16:41.819
oh, I must name a character Kara.

1921
01:16:43.319 --> 01:16:49.020
And the name Tasmanbika is named for the saint of barren women.

1922
01:16:49.079 --> 01:16:51.119
Oh, it does sound like a great name, actually.

1923
01:16:51.180 --> 01:16:52.859
This is amazing.

1924
01:16:52.920 --> 01:16:54.659
Dalek's being blown up by rock and roll.

1925
01:16:54.720 --> 01:16:57.359
Can you imagine if they'd gone the whole hog and had sort of

1926
01:16:57.359 --> 01:17:00.420
ticket to ride or something being played in the background, taking

1927
01:17:00.420 --> 01:17:01.439
it all the way back to the beginning?

1928
01:17:01.500 --> 01:17:03.420
They could never have afforded it.

1929
01:17:03.479 --> 01:17:05.460
Is that the same specific gyrating in the background?

1930
01:17:06.119 --> 01:17:08.100
inspired on thing?

1931
01:17:08.100 --> 01:17:10.319
It's not a great death by him.

1932
01:17:10.380 --> 01:17:12.420
I would have liked Grandmaster Flash.

1933
01:17:13.680 --> 01:17:17.039
Just for the whole month. murdered him.

1934
01:17:17.100 --> 01:17:18.899
Yeah, Colin?

1935
01:17:18.960 --> 01:17:22.020
Yeah, it's nice to see that Colin is not the progenitor of

1936
01:17:22.020 --> 01:17:22.859
violence in this one.

1937
01:17:23.279 --> 01:17:26.159
But, I mean, that's the same thing too.

1938
01:17:26.220 --> 01:17:29.579
He just, like in earlier on in this commentary.

1939
01:17:29.640 --> 01:17:32.399
I said the doctor comes in and breaks it all, but in fact, does he

1940
01:17:32.399 --> 01:17:34.319
make any difference to the actual outcome?

1941
01:17:34.619 --> 01:17:36.239
What has he done?

1942
01:17:36.300 --> 01:17:39.180
She's kind of wandered around in the world, hasn't he?

1943
01:17:39.239 --> 01:17:39.779
Yeah.

1944
01:17:39.840 --> 01:17:41.279
The Daleks are doing it.

1945
01:17:41.340 --> 01:17:44.880
It's the Daleks turn up and...

1946
01:17:44.939 --> 01:17:45.359
Yeah, yeah.

1947
01:17:45.420 --> 01:17:50.100
But then that was a criticism of the early RTD years as well, that

1948
01:17:50.100 --> 01:17:51.600
the doctor didn't instigate action.

1949
01:17:51.659 --> 01:17:56.279
But remember that he inspires people to instigate action, and I

1950
01:17:56.279 --> 01:17:57.479
think that's a strong choice.

1951
01:17:57.539 --> 01:17:58.560
Yeah that's true.

1952
01:17:58.619 --> 01:18:02.399
Is why is that why this almost feels like a late Billy story to me

1953
01:18:02.399 --> 01:18:02.939
almost?

1954
01:18:03.000 --> 01:18:07.979
Not in the incidental action, but in the setup and the, yeah, no

1955
01:18:07.979 --> 01:18:09.119
there's only one.

1956
01:18:10.020 --> 01:18:14.520
Yeah, no, obviously not.

1957
01:18:14.579 --> 01:18:17.100
But then if you look at the motivations of the characters and the

1958
01:18:17.100 --> 01:18:21.000
behaviour between them, yeah, the Hartnell was always just just

1959
01:18:21.000 --> 01:18:22.739
keeping back and letting them shoot it out.

1960
01:18:22.800 --> 01:18:24.119
Yeah, he doesn't.

1961
01:18:24.180 --> 01:18:27.600
I mean, Hartnell doesn't become the doctor, really, that the same

1962
01:18:27.600 --> 01:18:31.560
in the sense that he's the sort of major male lead hero of the

1963
01:18:31.560 --> 01:18:36.239
show, you know, so he does wander through the world and just try

1964
01:18:36.239 --> 01:18:37.619
and get out of it alone.

1965
01:18:37.680 --> 01:18:40.680
Is your carping granny on the settee as they're sitting in the

1966
01:18:40.680 --> 01:18:41.819
corner because she still owns the house.

1967
01:18:44.220 --> 01:18:48.539
It's a shame the doctor doesn't get to talk to Kara.

1968
01:18:48.899 --> 01:18:51.000
Do you know what I like?

1969
01:18:51.060 --> 01:18:54.539
I like the way that Davros is shot completely differently.

1970
01:18:54.720 --> 01:18:57.659
Like, he looks, you know, never for a 2nd did you think that

1971
01:18:57.659 --> 01:19:02.460
Davros in the Perspex tube wasn't Davros?

1972
01:19:02.520 --> 01:19:03.539
was clearly Davros.

1973
01:19:03.600 --> 01:19:06.720
But then when you actually see him and his shot from below, And

1974
01:19:06.720 --> 01:19:08.399
the performance is slightly different.

1975
01:19:08.460 --> 01:19:10.800
You kind of think, actually, no, no, how can I have possibly

1976
01:19:10.800 --> 01:19:12.000
thought that was Davros?

1977
01:19:12.060 --> 01:19:13.199
This is really Dave Ross.

1978
01:19:14.520 --> 01:19:16.800
Are we going to shoot his fingers off now?

1979
01:19:17.819 --> 01:19:19.319
Not yet.

1980
01:19:20.819 --> 01:19:23.100
Everything's blocked so well.

1981
01:19:23.159 --> 01:19:24.720
You can follow the action brilliantly.

1982
01:19:25.439 --> 01:19:27.180
Yeah, yeah.

1983
01:19:27.239 --> 01:19:28.199
Oh look.

1984
01:19:28.260 --> 01:19:31.619
I'm just excited to be back down in Iron Gron cellar.

1985
01:19:32.520 --> 01:19:36.119
With exactly the same props from UFO Moonbase.

1986
01:19:36.180 --> 01:19:39.180
Make the serving wench playing Davros in the tank.

1987
01:19:39.420 --> 01:19:42.000
Lusty enough they are on that.

1988
01:19:46.020 --> 01:19:50.159
They really are the props from they are bosses old bits and put

1989
01:19:50.159 --> 01:19:50.699
bulbs there.

1990
01:19:50.760 --> 01:19:52.020
So we have ancient in the background.

1991
01:19:52.079 --> 01:19:53.159
Yeah, the Greek statue.

1992
01:19:53.220 --> 01:19:53.760
What's that doing?

1993
01:19:53.760 --> 01:19:54.720
Art?

1994
01:19:55.020 --> 01:19:57.539
But don't you think these sets look amazing?

1995
01:19:57.600 --> 01:20:00.479
Oh, yeah. look like they've had a ton of money thrown at them.

1996
01:20:00.539 --> 01:20:00.899
Yeah.

1997
01:20:02.100 --> 01:20:06.420
Do they who's that you get a different designer for each story

1998
01:20:06.420 --> 01:20:06.840
don't you?

1999
01:20:06.899 --> 01:20:07.439
Yes.

2000
01:20:07.500 --> 01:20:09.239
This is Roger.

2001
01:20:09.359 --> 01:20:10.800
I can't remember.

2002
01:20:10.859 --> 01:20:11.399
Right, okay.

2003
01:20:11.460 --> 01:20:12.720
Roger somebody.

2004
01:20:15.840 --> 01:20:16.979
Ah, delicious people.

2005
01:20:21.420 --> 01:20:23.939
I think the mask is good as well.

2006
01:20:24.000 --> 01:20:26.939
I do think, you know, just technically it's better than Michael

2007
01:20:26.939 --> 01:20:27.720
Wishes Mask.

2008
01:20:27.840 --> 01:20:32.100
We're only getting this writing because Britain starved, almost

2009
01:20:32.100 --> 01:20:36.180
starved during the war and didn't lose rationing until what, 54?

2010
01:20:37.500 --> 01:20:38.220
Well, into the 50s.

2011
01:20:38.279 --> 01:20:39.899
Yeah, I think it was 54.

2012
01:20:40.140 --> 01:20:43.020
We were only we were only about 4 or 5 years before that, but we

2013
01:20:43.020 --> 01:20:46.140
never went through the deprivations that they did.

2014
01:20:46.199 --> 01:20:51.600
So, and the real consciousness that we are paying the victors to

2015
01:20:51.600 --> 01:20:55.800
not start another war, and that's why we don't have an aerospace

2016
01:20:55.800 --> 01:20:59.220
industry, and that's why my pick of the week, by the way. we doing

2017
01:20:59.220 --> 01:20:59.880
pick of the week?

2018
01:20:59.939 --> 01:21:00.239
Why?

2019
01:21:00.300 --> 01:21:04.439
It's something that James has lent me, which is summer of rockets

2020
01:21:04.439 --> 01:21:08.880
with Toby Stevens, whom we own, as his young Maggie Smith's son

2021
01:21:08.880 --> 01:21:09.779
and Keely Hawes.

2022
01:21:09.840 --> 01:21:14.279
And it's about the late 50s and British rocket tournamentary and

2023
01:21:14.279 --> 01:21:15.239
how they were leading the world.

2024
01:21:15.300 --> 01:21:17.579
But it's done as a soap. really lovely.

2025
01:21:17.640 --> 01:21:19.079
It's elegant and gorgeous.

2026
01:21:19.140 --> 01:21:24.239
But no, the sense of Britain had lived through what, in effect, was

2027
01:21:24.239 --> 01:21:28.199
the effects of a civil war again, without actually finding it on

2028
01:21:28.199 --> 01:21:28.920
their own soil.

2029
01:21:28.979 --> 01:21:32.699
But the V2, the fact they saw Von Braun taking the Americans to

2030
01:21:32.699 --> 01:21:36.239
space, the same man who launched the V2s on them.

2031
01:21:36.300 --> 01:21:38.340
That anger is still here.

2032
01:21:38.399 --> 01:21:42.239
I'm actually surprised that it took so long for Doctor Who to be

2033
01:21:42.239 --> 01:21:47.039
this when this is the British consciousness of the working people

2034
01:21:47.039 --> 01:21:49.020
who are, you know, lived through this stuff.

2035
01:21:49.140 --> 01:21:50.159
This should look very familiar.

2036
01:21:50.220 --> 01:21:50.819
Yeah.

2037
01:21:50.819 --> 01:21:52.260
I love this.

2038
01:21:52.260 --> 01:21:55.979
The doctor, you know, said to Perry, I'm sorry about the DJ

2039
01:21:55.979 --> 01:21:58.079
and...

2040
01:21:58.079 --> 01:22:00.960
Yeah, that's actually quite a nice little moment for him.

2041
01:22:01.020 --> 01:22:01.680
Sorry.

2042
01:22:01.739 --> 01:22:03.779
But there is is is Davros Thatcher?

2043
01:22:03.840 --> 01:22:05.399
I'm just putting it out there.

2044
01:22:05.460 --> 01:22:07.439
And now...

2045
01:22:08.699 --> 01:22:12.180
Yeah, again, I think this is unnecessarily gross as well.

2046
01:22:12.840 --> 01:22:14.460
Like that.

2047
01:22:14.520 --> 01:22:15.960
Oh no, that's great.

2048
01:22:17.460 --> 01:22:19.500
That's a revelation.

2049
01:22:20.939 --> 01:22:22.739
Action from the doctor.

2050
01:22:22.800 --> 01:22:23.399
Oh, no.

2051
01:22:23.460 --> 01:22:25.319
Those guards were actually on point.

2052
01:22:25.380 --> 01:22:26.520
They're on the doctor, right?

2053
01:22:26.579 --> 01:22:27.359
Yeah.

2054
01:22:27.359 --> 01:22:29.039
Oh, on the bits.

2055
01:22:29.399 --> 01:22:31.319
Oh, chompy, chompy finger boots.

2056
01:22:31.380 --> 01:22:34.079
I'm glad that we've kept that too.

2057
01:22:34.140 --> 01:22:37.319
So Julian Bleach has a robot hand.

2058
01:22:37.380 --> 01:22:38.279
It does, doesn't it?

2059
01:22:38.340 --> 01:22:40.920
He's the Luke Skywalker of new series.

2060
01:22:41.039 --> 01:22:42.779
Look at these cheap and tatty models.

2061
01:22:42.840 --> 01:22:44.460
I think they're beautiful.

2062
01:22:44.520 --> 01:22:45.359
Are you right?

2063
01:22:45.420 --> 01:22:48.659
I do love that one that has the little sort of rod.

2064
01:22:48.720 --> 01:22:51.840
Why are they picking the fingers up and putting them in an esky?

2065
01:22:51.899 --> 01:22:52.800
No arm in trying.

2066
01:22:52.859 --> 01:22:54.420
Why does Davros have green blood?

2067
01:22:54.539 --> 01:22:55.979
Oh interesting.

2068
01:22:56.039 --> 01:22:59.399
Because there's more copper in it or he's a Spock fan.

2069
01:22:59.460 --> 01:23:02.399
Yes, he's a he's just cosplaying.

2070
01:23:02.460 --> 01:23:03.899
Do you mean, oh, no, Khalid's had red blood.

2071
01:23:03.960 --> 01:23:05.100
We've seen it, yeah.

2072
01:23:05.159 --> 01:23:08.399
Oh, lots of exterminations, but they can't really fire.

2073
01:23:08.460 --> 01:23:12.300
Well, I was just thinking that the suffusions of copper sulphates

2074
01:23:12.300 --> 01:23:13.739
are put through for whatever reason.

2075
01:23:14.399 --> 01:23:17.880
By the magic of the internet, James, just informed me, the

2076
01:23:17.880 --> 01:23:19.319
designer on this is Alan Spalding.

2077
01:23:19.380 --> 01:23:20.159
Oh okay.

2078
01:23:20.220 --> 01:23:21.180
There you go.

2079
01:23:21.300 --> 01:23:25.199
Well, he did that marvellous line in tennis accoutrements, of

2080
01:23:25.199 --> 01:23:25.380
course.

2081
01:23:32.039 --> 01:23:33.960
Oh, dear.

2082
01:23:34.979 --> 01:23:41.220
That's why all of Dar Ross's tennis balls are sprayed chrome.

2083
01:23:42.359 --> 01:23:45.300
You're lucky with the new Dalek colour scheme.

2084
01:23:45.359 --> 01:23:46.500
They won't sort of neon green.

2085
01:23:49.680 --> 01:23:54.420
I wonder what else Sable or JNT had wanted to do with the Dartex

2086
01:23:54.420 --> 01:23:56.460
because you know he would have wanted a rainbow darlic.

2087
01:23:56.520 --> 01:23:58.140
It would have been out there.

2088
01:23:58.199 --> 01:24:02.159
Give me, this is probably just the production team going, I think

2089
01:24:02.159 --> 01:24:03.239
we'll just go this far, John.

2090
01:24:03.300 --> 01:24:03.899
I think this...

2091
01:24:04.020 --> 01:24:05.100
You know, that rings a bell.

2092
01:24:05.159 --> 01:24:07.979
I think they were planning on having multicoloured Daleks for

2093
01:24:07.979 --> 01:24:08.460
remembrance.

2094
01:24:08.819 --> 01:24:12.180
Ah, like in the, like in the movies.

2095
01:24:12.239 --> 01:24:15.060
Like in the fabulous victory of the dialect.

2096
01:24:15.119 --> 01:24:15.840
Oh, God.

2097
01:24:15.899 --> 01:24:17.340
I love those.

2098
01:24:17.399 --> 01:24:20.640
They look like all, they know, they look like all of the ice lolly

2099
01:24:20.640 --> 01:24:22.020
ads from the 60s again.

2100
01:24:22.140 --> 01:24:23.520
It's a lovely TV 21 thing.

2101
01:24:23.640 --> 01:24:26.159
They've got such big asses, though.

2102
01:24:26.340 --> 01:24:29.039
It's the colour of baked bin sauce.

2103
01:24:29.100 --> 01:24:30.060
Yum, yum.

2104
01:24:30.119 --> 01:24:30.600
I love this.

2105
01:24:30.659 --> 01:24:33.000
Davos is trying all that he can.

2106
01:24:34.020 --> 01:24:37.140
This is a very long demo, isn't it?

2107
01:24:37.199 --> 01:24:40.619
Yeah, really extinct. waiting for you and yes.

2108
01:24:41.399 --> 01:24:43.020
I love that.

2109
01:24:43.079 --> 01:24:43.380
Wow.

2110
01:24:43.380 --> 01:24:44.880
I love that Davros goes.

2111
01:24:44.939 --> 01:24:45.779
Oh that's right.

2112
01:24:45.840 --> 01:24:48.720
I'm not getting the logic of why the doctor is still alive.

2113
01:24:49.020 --> 01:24:51.000
He's the star of the show.

2114
01:24:51.060 --> 01:24:54.060
Hang on, but why has Davros not found?

2115
01:24:54.060 --> 01:24:56.880
But also, do these Daleks realise it's the dog?

2116
01:24:56.939 --> 01:24:57.720
No they don't recognise it.

2117
01:24:57.779 --> 01:25:00.000
No, they just said that it doesn't look like the doctor, yeah.

2118
01:25:00.420 --> 01:25:03.180
Although Patrick Troughton looked like the doctor.

2119
01:25:03.359 --> 01:25:05.460
Yes, they recognised.

2120
01:25:05.520 --> 01:25:07.680
Oh, they had a sneaking suspicion, didn't they?

2121
01:25:07.739 --> 01:25:10.920
It's an electric moment when they realise who he is.

2122
01:25:10.979 --> 01:25:13.920
I guess, you know, if you want to be geeky about it, it depends on

2123
01:25:13.920 --> 01:25:15.420
the dalek timeline, doesn't it?

2124
01:25:15.479 --> 01:25:17.939
This clearly comes after resurrection, whereas who knows where

2125
01:25:17.939 --> 01:25:18.300
that comes.

2126
01:25:18.359 --> 01:25:19.560
Okay.

2127
01:25:19.619 --> 01:25:20.279
All right.

2128
01:25:20.340 --> 01:25:21.600
I'll go with that.

2129
01:25:21.659 --> 01:25:24.840
Even though I never, never, never like those explanations ever.

2130
01:25:28.439 --> 01:25:33.000
Since Daleks have time travel, which at some point is rudimentary

2131
01:25:33.000 --> 01:25:37.680
and nasty and at other points is really precise, I guess it just

2132
01:25:37.680 --> 01:25:38.159
depends.

2133
01:25:38.220 --> 01:25:40.680
Yeah. how they fiddle with their own timeline.

2134
01:25:40.739 --> 01:25:45.539
Well, they just nipped out of the DARDIS and...

2135
01:25:45.600 --> 01:25:47.159
Yeah, not that time machine.

2136
01:25:47.220 --> 01:25:47.939
The chase is called.

2137
01:25:48.000 --> 01:25:48.779
Really?

2138
01:25:48.779 --> 01:25:50.039
That's a revelation.

2139
01:25:50.100 --> 01:25:52.199
Yeah, Daleks and relative dimension in space.

2140
01:25:53.939 --> 01:25:58.979
No, really. doesn't say that. doesn't Susan say that she made up?

2141
01:25:58.979 --> 01:26:00.060
she made that up?

2142
01:26:00.119 --> 01:26:03.359
No, but she was a 5th columnist all the time, wasn't she?

2143
01:26:03.420 --> 01:26:05.399
She made up the name.

2144
01:26:05.520 --> 01:26:09.000
Yeah, she made her time relative dimension space from the

2145
01:26:09.000 --> 01:26:09.479
initials.

2146
01:26:09.539 --> 01:26:11.579
So it was called a TARDIS and then she worked out what it was.

2147
01:26:11.640 --> 01:26:12.899
Oh, okay.

2148
01:26:12.960 --> 01:26:13.739
I thought it was the other way around.

2149
01:26:13.800 --> 01:26:16.739
I thought if you meant mean capsule.

2150
01:26:16.800 --> 01:26:18.479
Why not say?

2151
01:26:18.539 --> 01:26:19.319
No, but in the dialogue.

2152
01:26:19.380 --> 01:26:20.039
Yeah.

2153
01:26:20.100 --> 01:26:23.760
It's confusing dialogue.

2154
01:26:23.760 --> 01:26:27.000
She says, I made up the name from the, yeah, it is confusing

2155
01:26:27.000 --> 01:26:27.479
dialogue.

2156
01:26:27.539 --> 01:26:30.359
You could actually...

2157
01:26:30.359 --> 01:26:32.399
Just possible that they were making it up as they went along.

2158
01:26:32.460 --> 01:26:33.600
No.

2159
01:26:33.659 --> 01:26:34.260
Yeah.

2160
01:26:34.800 --> 01:26:36.899
It's very convenient.

2161
01:26:36.960 --> 01:26:38.699
That's the revelation.

2162
01:26:38.760 --> 01:26:40.500
So it's been ceded.

2163
01:26:40.560 --> 01:26:41.939
Thank you.

2164
01:26:42.000 --> 01:26:44.460
In episode one, deliberately.

2165
01:26:45.300 --> 01:26:47.399
I would like to explude it.

2166
01:26:50.460 --> 01:26:53.579
Todd, can you come out with that at some point and say, I have a

2167
01:26:53.579 --> 01:26:55.079
bomb and I would like to explode it.

2168
01:26:56.699 --> 01:27:00.180
A great I just don't understand why they're all still alive.

2169
01:27:00.779 --> 01:27:05.340
Is that the ennui, that the rest of the week?

2170
01:27:08.460 --> 01:27:09.000
What do you mean?

2171
01:27:09.060 --> 01:27:10.380
Why are they still making this?

2172
01:27:10.439 --> 01:27:11.279
Well, yeah.

2173
01:27:11.279 --> 01:27:13.979
Well, that's what we're told to think now?

2174
01:27:14.039 --> 01:27:18.720
And that's what we were being told was the response we should be

2175
01:27:18.720 --> 01:27:19.439
having then.

2176
01:27:19.500 --> 01:27:24.060
We saw that the cancellation, but I just think it was too rapid a

2177
01:27:24.060 --> 01:27:26.399
change is what you were saying, Peter, too rapid a change too

2178
01:27:26.399 --> 01:27:26.699
soon.

2179
01:27:26.760 --> 01:27:28.800
But I don't know that it's actually ineffectual.

2180
01:27:28.859 --> 01:27:31.140
And I really like the political commentary of it now.

2181
01:27:31.260 --> 01:27:32.640
Yeah it's angry.

2182
01:27:32.699 --> 01:27:33.899
It's super, super angry.

2183
01:27:33.960 --> 01:27:35.520
It's very mid- 80s.

2184
01:27:35.579 --> 01:27:39.359
It feels the absolute rightest piece of casting or season is

2185
01:27:39.359 --> 01:27:41.460
putting Alexi say all right in the middle of this.

2186
01:27:41.520 --> 01:27:46.800
It was one of the angriest and most literate comics of his time

2187
01:27:46.800 --> 01:27:50.220
and would just talk about all the things that are going wrong and

2188
01:27:50.220 --> 01:27:52.739
all the rights and services that have been pulled away from the

2189
01:27:52.739 --> 01:27:53.760
British people.

2190
01:27:53.819 --> 01:27:57.659
And the fact you're not, you're reading about it because Murdoch

2191
01:27:57.659 --> 01:28:00.600
owns the sun and the star and you're just, you're going to look at

2192
01:28:00.600 --> 01:28:00.840
it now.

2193
01:28:00.899 --> 01:28:02.760
Yeah, same difference.

2194
01:28:03.840 --> 01:28:07.920
They elect whole governments. control the world.

2195
01:28:08.039 --> 01:28:10.560
This is very confident, this story.

2196
01:28:10.619 --> 01:28:12.539
It doesn't feel like series that's faltering.

2197
01:28:12.600 --> 01:28:13.140
No.

2198
01:28:14.520 --> 01:28:21.239
I think that rapid change is is it's a focal point that the BBC

2199
01:28:21.239 --> 01:28:23.100
can use as an excuse.

2200
01:28:23.460 --> 01:28:25.439
A focal point for the assassin's bullet.

2201
01:28:25.500 --> 01:28:28.920
But, you know, always become too dark and violent.

2202
01:28:28.979 --> 01:28:30.720
Let's rest it and rethink it.

2203
01:28:30.779 --> 01:28:32.039
That's just an excuse.

2204
01:28:32.100 --> 01:28:33.479
They've been wanting to cancel it for years.

2205
01:28:33.539 --> 01:28:36.180
If they thought it was too dark and violent, where was the head of

2206
01:28:36.180 --> 01:28:38.460
drama reading all the scripts saying this is too dark and

2207
01:28:38.460 --> 01:28:38.699
violent?

2208
01:28:38.760 --> 01:28:39.960
Exactly. just an excuse.

2209
01:28:40.020 --> 01:28:40.500
Yeah.

2210
01:28:40.560 --> 01:28:44.279
Well, I thought that they wanted to save money for breakfast TV or

2211
01:28:44.279 --> 01:28:44.640
something.

2212
01:28:44.699 --> 01:28:45.600
And EastEnders.

2213
01:28:45.659 --> 01:28:46.560
He's dangerous.

2214
01:28:46.619 --> 01:28:49.079
They needed the budget for a new twice weekly.

2215
01:28:49.140 --> 01:28:50.340
Super series.

2216
01:28:50.399 --> 01:28:52.199
But this was making money, wasn't it?

2217
01:28:52.260 --> 01:28:55.140
It was an extremely short-sighted decision.

2218
01:28:55.199 --> 01:28:58.680
It was simply that a few of them. wasn't Yentov, was it?

2219
01:28:58.739 --> 01:28:59.340
We know it was great.

2220
01:28:59.399 --> 01:29:00.659
No, it was great.

2221
01:29:00.720 --> 01:29:04.140
There's talk that the 1st mess grade had to clear up when he

2222
01:29:04.140 --> 01:29:07.439
became controller was to report on his desk that said Warriors of

2223
01:29:07.439 --> 01:29:08.880
the Deep was unfit for transmission.

2224
01:29:08.939 --> 01:29:11.039
And that sort of focussed his attention.

2225
01:29:11.159 --> 01:29:12.180
Was it?

2226
01:29:12.479 --> 01:29:13.979
Who knows?

2227
01:29:14.039 --> 01:29:14.760
Have you seen it?

2228
01:29:14.819 --> 01:29:15.899
I love it.

2229
01:29:15.960 --> 01:29:18.720
I actually quite like it as well, but there are those scenes where

2230
01:29:18.720 --> 01:29:23.279
it's clearly a rehearsal, you know, like Janet Fielding thinks

2231
01:29:23.279 --> 01:29:26.399
she's doing an in camera run through, which ends up getting put to

2232
01:29:26.399 --> 01:29:26.760
end.

2233
01:29:26.819 --> 01:29:27.479
Which is true.

2234
01:29:27.539 --> 01:29:28.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2235
01:29:28.439 --> 01:29:30.960
And, you know, green paint all over the set because the merker

2236
01:29:30.960 --> 01:29:32.279
hasn't had the chance to dry.

2237
01:29:32.340 --> 01:29:34.020
Oh, and the murker.

2238
01:29:37.079 --> 01:29:40.079
The name for a certain type of wig.

2239
01:29:40.140 --> 01:29:41.159
No, that's Merkin.

2240
01:29:41.220 --> 01:29:42.539
It's marvellous model work.

2241
01:29:43.619 --> 01:29:46.680
Everything about this story looks like it's had money thrown at

2242
01:29:46.680 --> 01:29:46.920
it.

2243
01:29:46.979 --> 01:29:47.819
Yeah.

2244
01:29:48.300 --> 01:29:52.020
Yeah, I mean, it doesn't, if there was any justice, one of those 2

2245
01:29:52.020 --> 01:29:52.800
would have been killed.

2246
01:29:52.920 --> 01:29:55.680
Yeah, but I think that's part of the thing too.

2247
01:29:55.739 --> 01:29:58.439
Don't you think that, that, you know.

2248
01:29:58.500 --> 01:29:59.579
Yes, I do.

2249
01:29:59.640 --> 01:30:03.180
Yeah. that this is the best we can hope for is people who are

2250
01:30:03.180 --> 01:30:06.000
terribly morally compromised, kind of survive, I guess.

2251
01:30:06.119 --> 01:30:08.819
But kind of good at their jobs and so might get the police back on

2252
01:30:08.819 --> 01:30:09.239
its feet.

2253
01:30:09.300 --> 01:30:10.380
Yeah.

2254
01:30:10.439 --> 01:30:12.300
We don't really care though, to be honest.

2255
01:30:12.479 --> 01:30:14.939
Well, it is feeding the galaxy.

2256
01:30:15.000 --> 01:30:15.720
Yeah.

2257
01:30:15.779 --> 01:30:16.260
Yeah.

2258
01:30:16.319 --> 01:30:18.300
Better be a galaxy.

2259
01:30:18.359 --> 01:30:19.500
It's all word peril, isn't it?

2260
01:30:20.220 --> 01:30:23.939
Now, where do we think the doctor is going to take her?

2261
01:30:24.000 --> 01:30:26.220
I would plump for bezing, Stoke?

2262
01:30:26.279 --> 01:30:28.920
Basingstoke, the planet Barcelona?

2263
01:30:28.920 --> 01:30:30.779
and Draculus one five?

2264
01:30:33.840 --> 01:30:36.180
Yeah, it's a bit cramped on pantro.

2265
01:30:36.239 --> 01:30:37.619
Why is that?

2266
01:30:37.680 --> 01:30:39.300
Why did they actually have to cut this?

2267
01:30:39.359 --> 01:30:40.439
Brisbane?

2268
01:30:41.520 --> 01:30:44.520
And that's a revelation we'll never actually know.

2269
01:30:44.579 --> 01:30:45.300
Why did they do that?

2270
01:30:45.659 --> 01:30:49.439
Because he actually had said Blackpool, which is the next story.

2271
01:30:49.560 --> 01:30:52.020
Yeah, but you don't have to have that being the next story, just

2272
01:30:52.020 --> 01:30:52.979
having a nice...

2273
01:30:53.100 --> 01:30:55.859
Right, but I think J&T made the decision that to freeze frame it

2274
01:30:55.859 --> 01:30:56.340
on there.

2275
01:30:56.399 --> 01:30:58.319
You don't know where they're going to be.

2276
01:30:58.380 --> 01:31:00.300
They've got, you know, they don't know where they're going.

2277
01:31:00.359 --> 01:31:01.859
And I actually think it's highly effective.

2278
01:31:01.920 --> 01:31:03.060
It's one, I think it's great.

2279
01:31:03.119 --> 01:31:05.699
Well, if he was going to see basiled and it's not that effective.

2280
01:31:05.760 --> 01:31:06.899
But we don't know.

2281
01:31:07.140 --> 01:31:09.180
I actually didn't.

2282
01:31:09.239 --> 01:31:11.520
I actually thought that that was an impressive cliffhanger at the

2283
01:31:11.520 --> 01:31:12.359
time when I 1st saw it.

2284
01:31:12.420 --> 01:31:13.260
I thought it was great.

2285
01:31:13.319 --> 01:31:16.199
It was better than about half we'd had this season watching in

2286
01:31:16.199 --> 01:31:16.619
Australia.

2287
01:31:16.680 --> 01:31:17.460
That's it.

2288
01:31:17.579 --> 01:31:20.579
It's not quite the Florana speech, but...

2289
01:31:20.579 --> 01:31:22.140
You know the word Blackpool doesn't exist anymore.

2290
01:31:22.199 --> 01:31:23.279
Really?

2291
01:31:23.340 --> 01:31:24.239
What?

2292
01:31:24.239 --> 01:31:27.180
It ended up on the cutting room floor and they've lost the

2293
01:31:27.180 --> 01:31:27.659
footage.

2294
01:31:30.720 --> 01:31:32.039
Oh shit, the place.

2295
01:31:32.100 --> 01:31:33.840
Yeah, yeah, that's it.

2296
01:31:33.899 --> 01:31:35.340
I thought of having a revival.

2297
01:31:35.399 --> 01:31:36.000
What are you saying?

2298
01:31:36.060 --> 01:31:38.340
So it was Pat Godfrey for this one as well.

2299
01:31:38.340 --> 01:31:42.600
And of course, Pat had designed...

2300
01:31:42.659 --> 01:31:43.680
Yes, Bongan.

2301
01:31:43.739 --> 01:31:45.539
What a marvellous story that was.

2302
01:31:45.600 --> 01:31:47.579
I agree. enjoyed it.

2303
01:31:47.640 --> 01:31:50.520
Well done, the 45% of you who voted for it.

2304
01:31:50.579 --> 01:31:51.359
It was a good choice.

2305
01:31:51.420 --> 01:31:55.500
I chose terror of the vervoids, which I think is a fine choice as

2306
01:31:55.500 --> 01:31:55.680
well.

2307
01:31:55.739 --> 01:31:56.880
And shorter.

2308
01:31:57.420 --> 01:31:59.880
I should eliminate on timelash.

2309
01:32:02.220 --> 01:32:03.119
I will like time watch too.

2310
01:32:03.180 --> 01:32:07.439
Oh, so do I, but Timelash fun. genuinely good in places.

2311
01:32:07.500 --> 01:32:10.079
In places and genuine.

2312
01:32:10.199 --> 01:32:12.239
That might be a revelation to many people.

2313
01:32:12.300 --> 01:32:13.380
Oh dear.

2314
01:32:13.380 --> 01:32:15.239
All right.

2315
01:32:16.920 --> 01:32:18.899
Did I miss something then?

2316
01:32:19.500 --> 01:32:21.659
No revelations here.

2317
01:32:22.680 --> 01:32:26.340
Well, dear listener, that's all we have time for this week.

2318
01:32:26.399 --> 01:32:30.119
We'll be back soon with a very special Christmas episode, and then

2319
01:32:30.119 --> 01:32:33.720
back in September, probably, with our coverage of series 3.

2320
01:32:33.960 --> 01:32:36.899
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts

2321
01:32:36.899 --> 01:32:39.779
and you can keep up with us at FlightthroughEntirety.com, flight

2322
01:32:39.779 --> 01:32:43.020
through entirety on Facebook and at FTE podcast on Twitter.

2323
01:32:43.079 --> 01:32:47.159
You can also find our series 11 flashcast, Jody interterra, Jody

2324
01:32:47.159 --> 01:32:51.000
interterra.com and at Jody interterra on Twitter at our James Bond

2325
01:32:51.000 --> 01:32:54.420
commentary podcast bondfinger at bondfinger.com at bondfinger on

2326
01:32:54.420 --> 01:32:56.880
Facebook and at bondfingercast on Twitter.

2327
01:32:56.939 --> 01:33:02.159
Until next time, after a lifetime of punching people and forcibly

2328
01:33:02.159 --> 01:33:03.119
let me try that again.

2329
01:33:03.779 --> 01:33:08.159
Until next time, after a life of punching people and forcibly

2330
01:33:08.159 --> 01:33:11.220
pouring Voxnik down their throats, may you retire with no

2331
01:33:11.220 --> 01:33:14.939
consequences and enjoy the life of a simple farmer.

2332
01:33:15.000 --> 01:33:16.380
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

2333
01:33:16.439 --> 01:33:16.979
Good night.

2334
01:33:17.100 --> 01:33:17.880
See you soon.

2335
01:33:17.939 --> 01:33:18.420
Good night.

2336
01:33:18.479 --> 01:33:19.619
Good mincing.