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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight for Entirety, the only Doctor Who commentary podcast whose keyword is respect.

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Understood?

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm James I'm Todd.

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I'm Peter, and I'm an acrylic Henry Hoover, full of Evelyn Waugh's awful offerings for this one.

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Well, so here's the background.

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This is another of our commentary podcast.

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In July 2017, just 2 years ago, we asked you to vote on 4 possible stories for this commentary.

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As if it was yesterday.

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So it was the mark of the Rani, the mysterious planet, terror of the vervoids, and revelation of the Daleks.

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And the winner, Richard's Choice, again, with 45% of the vote was Revelation of the Dialect.

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So we've got our DVD ready to go.

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We're on the main menu with sort of play all selected, and we'll press the play button when you next hear me say the code word spielsnape.

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Okay, I'm going to lean over and... many safe words being given away.

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He's for free, no extra charge.

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Wow.

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Imagine using the word spielsnape in a sort of intimate. that a safe word?

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James and I have never had to use our safe words, have you?

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What the same safe word?

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All right.

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We share a flex.

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Okay, we're ready to go.

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And I'm going to press Spielsnape.

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And we're off.

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So I'm going to play a drinking game with your listeners for this episode.

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I'd like to know what the revelation is.

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So every time you hear me say, that's a revelation or some variation, you need to take a drink.

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Ah, see, I always just assumed that we had genesis of the Daleks, which is the 1st book of the Bible, and then we had resurrection, which happened somewhere in the middle, I think, from memory.

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And then we have Revelation.

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So we're just, we're...

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I'm very disappointed we've missed out on the Leviticans of the...

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Leviticus of the numbers of the Dale.

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Luke of the Dale.

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Yeah, 1st Corinthians of the Daleks.

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Alright.

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So here is who's our director, Peter?

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Graham Hopper.

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Because it, I was going to say it's one of the best openings since Pat Trouton landed on a beach.

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It just has, doesn't that feel atmospheric?

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And doesn't it look cold?

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That's a revelation.

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Don't you?

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Just warming you up.

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Don't you think that he is desperate to recreate Caves of Androzani?

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It is the same opening?

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Yeah, yep.

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So a photographer of a distant planet than the 2 of them sort of wandering out and talking, but also just the complexity of the world.

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One of the things that we've said about Sayward is while he might not be great, he's kind of capable of recognising things that are great.

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And so a mashup of Ks of Andrazani, which is brilliant and evil laws, Evelyn was the loved one, you know, also brilliant.

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This doesn't feel like, like our standard take on, say, what does it when you think back to what we've thought in the past.

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I think both those stories are great.

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Yeah Well, I think...

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I remember saying...

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I remember saying that that was the best of the, of, say it scripts.

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I think this one easily is his best script.

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Have we all watched our season 19 box?

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Have we unearthed out and opened down?

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Oh, I know it pretty well.

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The earth shock one does hold up quite well, doesn't it?

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I love the score.

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Love bit of earth, love the direction. and I like the pace and I like the writing.

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I think, I think if we had just done that that once, we, I would be happier about it, but given that we then remake it every 6 months afterwards until, say, we decides to go away.

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Could you not say that of Evelyn Wars, bright young things, period?

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I guess so.

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The mutant thing has just taken the nut roast role.

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Is that what it is?

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Yes.

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Oh, and it just exploded.

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You know, you don't have those.

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That's a revelation. deadly.

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So, um, the mutant is, of course, played by Sir Lawrence Olivier.

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It's actually played by someone called Ken Barker, who I've never heard of.

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He does great job.

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But wasn't there some talk?

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Yes, JNT wanted Sir Lawrence, who I think it had become known to him. would be interested in role on the show and said, okay, we've got to have a character that's all on location.

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So I know what.

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We've got this character who comes out and rolls around in the snow with the doctor and goes, ah, let's offering to Sir Lawrence, which they did, and Sir Lawrence politely declined.

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That's insane because I would have thought it would have been much better to offer him the role of the father in the glass Dalek.

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You know, that to me would be much more logical.

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Anything involving heavy makeup.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But I mean, it's just such an outlandish idea.

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I've got a great role for you so, Lawrence.

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Can you drool?

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Tell me, Larry, darling.

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Can you drool?

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It's famous miserable bastard. here he is Very own Clive Swift.

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Uh, a.k.a.

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Richard.

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I didn't know you were in Doctor Who, Richard.

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This is I'm glamorous.

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Still a black bulb. for this story.

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I wonder where that will lead us.

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This opening scene is marvellous, the way it sets up the world, pulling right back from the sarcophagus up the top, introduces all the characters.

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And we have Colin Spall as well, don't we?

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Is he lilt?

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lilt.

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And he will be, he was in our, um, Sigment 2 parter in series two.

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So one of Graham Harper's old school friends, I think we decided.

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Didn't Brendan say that?

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It was like, um, it was like Graham Harper only an actor.

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I think this is one of the few 80 stories.

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It looks like it's had a tone meeting.

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Yeah, things on board.

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Do you think there's been a crisis of consciousness for this one?

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I think Scram Harper.

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Tot and Peter. they've looked at it and said, hm, this season has been, um, because they were getting responses, weren't they?

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already that the media had been...

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Look, it hadn't been negative for the season, had it?

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Not overall, but it, yeah, it had quieted.

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So we've already had the announcement that it won't be back next year.

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That happens during the 2 doctors.

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So we already know that, but everything's in the can by that point.

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And, you know, the more I think about season 22.

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Like, I don't like it very much, but it does seem to be trying to do something a bit different.

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And I think it's something that's a little bit ill advised.

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But here, there's a sort of fantasy world thing so that the grossness of it isn't.

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I mean, it's our 3rd story with cannibalism in it for the season.

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She's collecting things.

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That's a revelation.

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I've never seen her do that before.

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First time ever.

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Sorry to interrupt you.

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She's decided to be a botanist.

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Yes.

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What did you say?

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Hey, I'll give Eric so good credit for this.

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He hasn't forgotten the roots of the character.

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Oh, please.

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But he gets it right, doesn't he?

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He gets the relationship between the doctor and Perry Wright, and it's probably the only time this season.

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It is, it's better, isn't it?

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It is.

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It's played with humour.

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So they're kind of sniping at each other like an old married couple, but in the end, they do like each other.

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And there's a number of times in this story where they meet.

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Revelation.

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Who knew Jenny Thomason was playing a dual role?

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I'm not going to that day, spa.

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That's a really, really strong chemical peel.

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So he will drool on Colin in a minute.

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So do keep an eye out.

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I'm having real Joan Plough, right?

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You know, everyone's going to just get changed. up for anything.

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But yes, I mean, they actually get the relationship right.

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And there's a number of times in this story where the doctor and Perry catch up and the 1st thing they say to each other is, are you all right?

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And, you know, I was worried about you.

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It kind of works.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think people generally sort of say that that kicks in at Mysterious Planet, but I think you're right to kind of locate it earlier.

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It is kind of the worst thing about Perry, isn't it?

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That, you know, in every story, including this one, she is just being manhandled by men, um, and dragged around and stuff, and, and in fact, the character of the, um, DJ is a nice relief from that.

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He doesn't, he's not lusting after her at all.

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They wanted to play the DJ.

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So Lawrence Olivier?

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Jenny Thomasson?

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Roger Daltry.

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Me too.

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They did.

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That's right.

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Again, politely decline.

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From his palatial terrace.

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The use of big sticks by Perry kills people.

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That's a revelation.

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No, she's killed someone.

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This is Perry's 1st murder for the story. for the for her time on the show.

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Does she do that to Jamie as well and the 2 doctors?

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Does she give him a whack?

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Am I thinking of that rice?

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She's bit aggressive.

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Yeah.

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She's, well, Jamie didn't even get a chance to dance his K, but there's a revelation right there.

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There you go.

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But we forget how hot the casting of this was at the time, this was absolutely on au courant.

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Not just for young ones, but Lexi Sale had a really thriving punch you in the face stand-up, which was stand-up, you know, in the circuit crowd.

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So the young folk watching this were going, yeah, yeah, especially the London crowd.

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This definitely feels absolutely of the moment.

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It's just missing Grace Jones.

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Yeah, in that little scene. playing Orsini.

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Naked in body paint.

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That would be mildest.

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It's, yeah.

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Do you think he's playing against type because he's actually really quite sweet in this, whereas he, no.

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Alexi Sale, because, I mean, he was, you know, sort of angry and communist.

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Well, he's very communist.

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His parents and he, when he was a lad, his dad was a steward for in a Liverpool factory, but he was flown to, they were flown to Moscow as ambassadors for the party and shown off to the holiday camps. they made, like, make buttlings look like Disneyland.

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He said he's allowed. was awful.

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They put him off state communists.

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How many gunfire shots do they?

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But the poor guard just gets riddled with bullets.

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Oh, you see, I actually have a problem with those 2 characters.

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I think that they're the least successful characters in the story.

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But also, it sort of shows how much the series moral compass has kind of come off that they're meant to be good guys.

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They're sort of a, you know, a concerned daughter and a doctor who's accompanying her.

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And they think nothing of just gunning this guard down in machine gun fire.

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What happened to good guys kind of knocking out guards to get into places?

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Well, it is his attempt to be kind of edgy and stuff and remember that Holmes's story, the previous year, that this is very largely based on, has no good guys in it.

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Like everyone is awful.

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And so we're trying to replicate that here.

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There are no good guys in this story.

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It's like a melted pizza.

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Oh, stop it. making me hungry.

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But this again was the tenure of stand-up at the time.

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We were in the middle of, dare I say, the beginnings anyway of neoliberalism and Thatcher had been there for how many years was it, James?

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Six?

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900?

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Yeah, 5 or six.

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So again, there was the sense of, will this pleasure ever cease?

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Yeah.

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And we weren't, we didn't have the innocence that we had under Harold McMillan.

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We didn't have the innocence that we had when Heath was around. or the hope, you could say, there was this sense of just brittle burnt irony.

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And that's why I mean, this is very much of its time.

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It should have been very successful.

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This is the thing we felt...

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Listen to the commentaries that you did of season 22, gentle listener, if you go back to it.

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This is better than the received opinion.

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Yeah, I think that's true.

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I think it's probably the best story of the season.

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It's certainly the most successful, I think. works on so many levels.

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What do you think is the best, Peter?

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Pharos.

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Do you?

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I think Varos is terribly overrated.

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Um, Ideas wise though.

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Yeah, it's got a big idea at the centre of it.

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That's true.

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And it does build a world.

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I mean, the world doesn't look particularly successful on screen, but I believe the world has allegory.

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It's entirely contemporary, as is this.

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This isn't entirely successful.

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No, but it's a trial. be successful.

235
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Have a look at this.

236
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It's where the person comes into shot here and their feet aren't on the floor.

237
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Yeah, yeah.

238
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That's where it is.

239
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You'd had everyone in long shots, so you'd been able to see their feet, it would have looked like...

240
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So you feel like the that it's going down the floors rather than being just a patent video effect.

241
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That's right.

242
00:13:21.779 --> 00:13:27.000
And so the fact that someone walks into frame and their bum is where the floor should be, if your brain was processing it, doesn't work.

243
00:13:27.059 --> 00:13:31.200
But it is also that idea that a lot of this is mediated through television.

244
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So we're talking about Varos and Varos is about people watching Doctor Who.

245
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And part of the thing that I like about Varos is that it imagines Doctor Who as being an incredibly crappy program.

246
00:13:42.720 --> 00:13:46.019
So what the people are watching on Varos is terrible.

247
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And here, everyone's watching things, everyone's on screens and stuff.

248
00:13:51.179 --> 00:14:01.620
So having that effect, which looks like the V hole, the vertical hold on your, like Richard is old enough to remember this as well. think we all are.

249
00:14:01.740 --> 00:14:02.879
That's a revelation.

250
00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:05.399
Now, I think she's terrific.

251
00:14:05.460 --> 00:14:07.379
She's fantastic.

252
00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:09.120
Yep, absolutely superb.

253
00:14:09.240 --> 00:14:16.379
I can't believe that there's controversy over the fact that was she giving a performance as a feeble character or was she giving a feeble performance?

254
00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:17.340
performance is excellent.

255
00:14:17.460 --> 00:14:21.899
No, she manages to be downtrodden and a bully and unlikeable.

256
00:14:21.960 --> 00:14:23.220
I the intruders.

257
00:14:23.279 --> 00:14:26.159
Do you know, do you know that there is actually something to that?

258
00:14:26.220 --> 00:14:27.600
The beginning of this scene was cut.

259
00:14:27.659 --> 00:14:29.759
And I've seen the start of this scene.

260
00:14:29.820 --> 00:14:31.740
I can't remember how I don't know if it's on the DVD.

261
00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:38.159
And she has this very weird performance moment where her and Tarkas are talking.

262
00:14:38.159 --> 00:14:42.179
And he says something like, oh, you've got to let it get out of frustrations.

263
00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:45.000
She turns around, she goes, shut up.

264
00:14:45.059 --> 00:14:48.000
And it's the weirdest performance moment.

265
00:14:48.059 --> 00:14:49.019
You can see why they cut it.

266
00:14:49.080 --> 00:14:50.279
So they cut in just after that.

267
00:14:50.340 --> 00:14:55.320
And it gives context to her strange thing there where she goes, fine, Ian Trudeau's.

268
00:14:55.379 --> 00:14:56.820
So there we go.

269
00:14:56.940 --> 00:15:00.299
I actually find the DJ really annoying.

270
00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:02.340
I kind of love him.

271
00:15:02.399 --> 00:15:03.840
And of course he's annoying.

272
00:15:03.899 --> 00:15:04.259
Yeah.

273
00:15:04.259 --> 00:15:06.779
And it's the one thing, the story that I don't like.

274
00:15:06.899 --> 00:15:08.940
So Lawrence, we've got a great role for you.

275
00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:11.519
Alexi Sal.

276
00:15:11.580 --> 00:15:13.980
I don't remember it working at the time.

277
00:15:14.039 --> 00:15:20.399
The Alexei sailing, so it's just felt, again, odd, but we weren't living, we weren't in the UK.

278
00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:21.120
Yeah.

279
00:15:21.179 --> 00:15:25.980
I guess the thing is that it pays off in the 2nd episode where I really do like him when he drops the axe.

280
00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:28.200
Yeah, yeah.

281
00:15:28.259 --> 00:15:31.620
And so I've grown to like it a lot more, but I still find it, I don't know.

282
00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:34.740
I don't know what's happening in even in universe.

283
00:15:34.799 --> 00:15:42.659
So these people are in suspended animation, but they're conscious enough to hear him talking to them.

284
00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:45.120
Like, this is like hospital radio, isn't it?

285
00:15:45.179 --> 00:15:51.000
You know, in Britain, hospitals had their own radio station.

286
00:15:51.059 --> 00:15:53.820
And so that's very much what this is.

287
00:15:53.879 --> 00:16:07.200
And so the people who are frozen in suspended animation waiting to be revived, who are really just being sort of chopped up and sold to their relatives to eat in a traditional season 22 way, McDonald's, McDonald's.

288
00:16:07.259 --> 00:16:11.639
But we're supposed to imagine that they're that they're listening and they're being entertained.

289
00:16:11.700 --> 00:16:17.220
I gather that they actually pay money for the deluxe package, which includes the DJ talking to you.

290
00:16:17.279 --> 00:16:20.940
Why would you want to listen to a local like hospital radio station work?

291
00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:22.379
Would you not just listen to a radio station?

292
00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:34.679
It's a revelation to me because I always believe that it was more like, you know, this is like the world that the great healer has created and to, and to put a mask on it.

293
00:16:34.740 --> 00:16:38.700
They've got this. oh, we've got the DJ who talks to your to your loved one.

294
00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:43.320
So it's sort of a front so that none of the relatives actually question anything that's going on there.

295
00:16:43.379 --> 00:16:46.500
It's like, oh, yes, here's our DJ, blah, blah, blah.

296
00:16:46.559 --> 00:16:50.279
So, you know, it's covering up the fact that they're using the bodies for food.

297
00:16:50.340 --> 00:16:51.720
Yeah, yeah, okay.

298
00:16:51.779 --> 00:16:52.679
That's how I feel.

299
00:16:52.740 --> 00:16:54.240
That sounds reasonable.

300
00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:58.019
Yeah, so I don't like these 2 either.

301
00:16:58.080 --> 00:17:00.840
And I think it's very say wouldy and very nasty.

302
00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:07.619
And, you know, like he's a drunk as well, which again, you know, just adds an extra kind of anti-hero thing to it.

303
00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:12.299
But like the scene of them being tortured later is really not.

304
00:17:12.660 --> 00:17:21.960
Oh, it's horrible. and that's where the character who I think is the most awful analogue of things that go wrong around this point.

305
00:17:22.019 --> 00:17:24.359
Richard Burton and Elizabeth Turner.

306
00:17:24.420 --> 00:17:28.740
Because you, I'm quite sure that's what so would had in mind as you're watching that.

307
00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:31.740
Were they married again for the 3rd time while this was being shot?

308
00:17:31.799 --> 00:17:32.519
It just feels like it.

309
00:17:32.579 --> 00:17:34.500
That's a bleak 7 location.

310
00:17:34.559 --> 00:17:34.920
Look at that.

311
00:17:36.660 --> 00:17:38.099
I have a moment to think.

312
00:17:38.279 --> 00:17:40.019
Yeah.

313
00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:42.900
Well timed, was it?

314
00:17:45.960 --> 00:17:48.299
The comedy turban.

315
00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:50.160
She's wearing it now, James isn't she?

316
00:17:50.220 --> 00:17:50.940
Great.

317
00:17:50.940 --> 00:17:52.140
I do love Eleanor Braun.

318
00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:53.039
She is spectacular.

319
00:17:53.099 --> 00:17:54.599
I would have preferred.

320
00:17:54.660 --> 00:17:57.660
I would have preferred Jennifer Saunders, but, you know, it still works.

321
00:17:57.900 --> 00:17:59.519
Imagine that.

322
00:17:59.579 --> 00:18:01.920
And Dawn as Davros. you imagine?

323
00:18:02.039 --> 00:18:04.019
Well, I would want Dawn to be Vogal.

324
00:18:06.299 --> 00:18:11.579
I interviewed Nick Mallet, and you know who he wanted Dawn French and Jennifer Saunders to play.

325
00:18:11.700 --> 00:18:12.960
I think I do.

326
00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:13.980
Vince and Deba.

327
00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:16.619
Sorry, what's that?

328
00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:18.480
The mysterious planet.

329
00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:19.500
Must be the not we here.

330
00:18:19.559 --> 00:18:20.880
I've ever seen the whole thing.

331
00:18:20.940 --> 00:18:23.700
Complete with the sort of stripy sideburns?

332
00:18:23.759 --> 00:18:26.279
Possibly complete with stylurian costumes.

333
00:18:26.339 --> 00:18:29.940
So Savalong Glitz comes back, remember in Dragonfire.

334
00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:31.619
Dabros.

335
00:18:31.680 --> 00:18:32.940
That's a revelation.

336
00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:34.980
I didn't realise that was actually the correct pronunciation.

337
00:18:35.039 --> 00:18:36.299
That's why I'm always doing it.

338
00:18:36.359 --> 00:18:39.299
Actually, in the Greek, how would we?

339
00:18:39.420 --> 00:18:42.960
Well it's not really a Greek word, but yeah, I could, yeah, you could say Danveros.

340
00:18:43.019 --> 00:18:45.299
Yeah, I think she's just trying to sound very continental.

341
00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:49.920
Like her gorgeous outfit and everything. spend the money on this fricking turban for nothing.

342
00:18:49.980 --> 00:18:52.440
Yeah, she really is too damn good, isn't she?

343
00:18:52.500 --> 00:18:53.579
She's wonderful.

344
00:18:53.640 --> 00:18:56.160
And actually, a lot of characters in this story have a slight accent.

345
00:18:56.220 --> 00:18:58.200
Yeah, the computer does.

346
00:18:58.259 --> 00:18:59.339
Tassenbika does sometimes.

347
00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:00.480
That's right.

348
00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:03.960
But no, her assistant should have been Kenneth Williams.

349
00:19:04.019 --> 00:19:06.599
Yeah, the lovely Runcible, the fatuous.

350
00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:09.960
Saywood wrote this whilst he was on Holiday Inn Roads.

351
00:19:10.019 --> 00:19:10.980
Did he?

352
00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:11.339
Yes.

353
00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:12.299
Okay.

354
00:19:12.359 --> 00:19:13.440
I don't know.

355
00:19:13.559 --> 00:19:14.700
I'm being full.

356
00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:16.680
Exactly.

357
00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:19.680
That's a revelation.

358
00:19:19.740 --> 00:19:23.279
Bashing around with Jackie Lane, wherever that accent took him that.

359
00:19:23.339 --> 00:19:25.319
I think she's superb.

360
00:19:25.380 --> 00:19:27.900
I wonder if this isn't a nod to the conventions.

361
00:19:27.960 --> 00:19:31.920
I wonder if this isn't JNT, saying, you know, like, though people light behind the scenes.

362
00:19:32.039 --> 00:19:34.500
Yeah, yeah.

363
00:19:34.559 --> 00:19:39.900
It just feels like all the bickering I've ever seen behind the gilded curtain at every convention I've ever been to.

364
00:19:39.960 --> 00:19:40.619
Saws.

365
00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:44.099
Well, maybe maybe even maybe even in a TV production.

366
00:19:44.160 --> 00:19:46.980
I mean, the whole thing is this sort of huge production.

367
00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:49.980
Yeah.

368
00:19:49.980 --> 00:19:51.660
Or every amateur theatrical.

369
00:19:51.720 --> 00:19:53.700
Why do you keep looking at me, Richard?

370
00:19:53.759 --> 00:19:55.980
actually trying to watch this story.

371
00:19:56.039 --> 00:19:58.500
Listeners, I hope you're watching this story.

372
00:19:58.559 --> 00:20:00.420
I don't know what these people are talking about.

373
00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:04.740
But you wouldn't think based on Saywood's past working, Doc 2, that he had a touch of the camp, would you?

374
00:20:07.740 --> 00:20:14.039
Think about slipback, which is coming up, which is him trying to do Douglas Adams.

375
00:20:14.099 --> 00:20:18.240
Sorry, that's just the filthiest expression we've ever used on this show.

376
00:20:20.880 --> 00:20:22.799
Would you like a towel?

377
00:20:24.180 --> 00:20:26.460
I need a safe word, people.

378
00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:28.440
A safe word will be slipped back.

379
00:20:29.460 --> 00:20:31.319
That's not safe at all.

380
00:20:32.759 --> 00:20:37.319
And this, I love the fact that we never see a camera.

381
00:20:37.380 --> 00:20:40.440
We know that this whole thing is being monitored.

382
00:20:40.500 --> 00:20:41.819
Everyone's on TV.

383
00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:46.500
You know, the great healers watching TV, the DJs watching TV.

384
00:20:46.559 --> 00:20:51.900
We never see a camera, but Joe Bell is super aware of being on camera.

385
00:20:51.960 --> 00:20:57.420
And so we just get these little moments where the characters regard the actual camera, which is sort of high up.

386
00:20:57.480 --> 00:20:58.799
It looks so great.

387
00:20:58.859 --> 00:20:59.640
It's so well done.

388
00:20:59.700 --> 00:21:05.099
The doctor does it at the start of episode 2 where he walks into the reception and just catches sight and sort of frowns.

389
00:21:05.160 --> 00:21:06.059
Yeah, well done.

390
00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:06.539
Yeah.

391
00:21:06.539 --> 00:21:07.079
Yeah.

392
00:21:07.259 --> 00:21:11.099
I guess you get that a little bit in caves too, don't you?

393
00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:20.099
With, um, uh, um, Shara's Jack in his bass watching everyone on TV and morgas.

394
00:21:20.160 --> 00:21:22.079
Yeah, we do see that.

395
00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:24.839
Yes, shoot 1st and ask questions later.

396
00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:28.500
The guards weaponless, so all they can do is run after them.

397
00:21:28.859 --> 00:21:30.660
Straight into the camera.

398
00:21:30.720 --> 00:21:31.079
Camera.

399
00:21:31.140 --> 00:21:31.559
Ow.

400
00:21:32.579 --> 00:21:34.259
Look at this.

401
00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:35.700
What magnificent location work?

402
00:21:35.940 --> 00:21:42.960
Yes, this is our last use of film in Doctor Who in classic Doctor Who, and it looks incredible.

403
00:21:43.019 --> 00:21:45.480
It really does look a lot better than videotape.

404
00:21:45.539 --> 00:21:46.079
Amaing.

405
00:21:46.140 --> 00:21:46.619
Yeah.

406
00:21:46.680 --> 00:21:47.220
Yeah.

407
00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:51.720
But Graham is one of those few directors. can do location and studio work.

408
00:21:51.779 --> 00:21:52.920
Yeah.

409
00:21:52.980 --> 00:21:54.059
Yeah.

410
00:21:54.119 --> 00:21:55.500
I mean, that looks lovely.

411
00:21:55.559 --> 00:22:14.220
And I think we said in our Colin Baker episode that Colin is much better on location. that when Colin is in a glitzy light entertainment studio with all of the colour saturation turned up to 11 to try and compete with his wretched costume, he plays it too big.

412
00:22:14.279 --> 00:22:19.319
But when he's on location, he's actually really considerably better, I think.

413
00:22:20.519 --> 00:22:22.619
Stop looking at me, Richard.

414
00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:25.140
We discussed this with Nathan.

415
00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:26.940
I'm not going over old things. is fantastic.

416
00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:28.619
Well, this is a strange thing.

417
00:22:28.680 --> 00:22:31.319
I mean, are they talking about the doctor's penis here?

418
00:22:31.380 --> 00:22:32.099
Yep, yep.

419
00:22:32.339 --> 00:22:34.200
That's a revelation.

420
00:22:34.259 --> 00:22:38.339
And at the time again, thinking this is one of the funniest moments in Doctor Who I've ever seen.

421
00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:40.740
It's really perfectly timed.

422
00:22:40.799 --> 00:22:42.000
Look at where his hands are.

423
00:22:42.059 --> 00:22:44.460
It's fantastic. both know what they're doing.

424
00:22:44.519 --> 00:22:45.299
They do.

425
00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:47.400
Is it apt though?

426
00:22:47.460 --> 00:22:48.359
Yes.

427
00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:49.859
Yeah, yeah.

428
00:22:49.920 --> 00:22:51.059
Look at context.

429
00:22:51.119 --> 00:22:52.740
It's all about... it's also Colin.

430
00:22:52.859 --> 00:22:54.059
I mean, what is his doctor?

431
00:22:54.119 --> 00:22:55.680
That's a revelation.

432
00:22:55.740 --> 00:22:57.420
I rarely use it.

433
00:22:57.480 --> 00:22:59.039
That's a revelation.

434
00:23:00.059 --> 00:23:06.420
I actually love his, you know, slowly hauling himself up the wall acting as well.

435
00:23:07.859 --> 00:23:17.160
You see, I think this crystallises the relationship between the Dr. and Perry, how it was now, it should have been when he jumps off and leaves her on top.

436
00:23:17.160 --> 00:23:18.599
It's fantastic.

437
00:23:18.660 --> 00:23:20.579
Is he getting his revenge?

438
00:23:20.640 --> 00:23:23.519
He's just saying, well, screw you, you broke my thing.

439
00:23:23.579 --> 00:23:24.420
Yes.

440
00:23:24.420 --> 00:23:26.400
This is fantastic.

441
00:23:26.460 --> 00:23:26.940
I'm sorry.

442
00:23:27.059 --> 00:23:27.359
Bye.

443
00:23:28.140 --> 00:23:33.059
She kind of goes...

444
00:23:33.059 --> 00:23:39.240
Just look like the tartest food machine is set to Twinkie constant.

445
00:23:39.839 --> 00:23:43.019
Oh, you fat shaped shirt.

446
00:23:43.859 --> 00:23:54.900
I actually remember at the time being relieved at how much clothing she was wearing for a change, you know, like it wasn't her, all her wretched boob tubes and leotards and stuff.

447
00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:56.640
She actually had some clothes on it.

448
00:23:56.700 --> 00:23:59.519
It was a bit of a revelation time.

449
00:23:59.579 --> 00:24:02.039
She had to cover up all those nut roast rules.

450
00:24:02.099 --> 00:24:02.880
Revelation.

451
00:24:04.500 --> 00:24:07.440
Yeah, she does look so much better, doesn't she?

452
00:24:07.500 --> 00:24:08.940
And which comes in studio later on.

453
00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:14.400
She's wearing the same outfit she was in timelash, which is, you know, quite a fetching sort of brown tunic thing. looks based on that.

454
00:24:14.460 --> 00:24:15.240
Yeah, I like that too.

455
00:24:15.299 --> 00:24:17.279
Certainly, I think, one of her best.

456
00:24:18.180 --> 00:24:19.740
Costumes.

457
00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:21.480
The Mysterious Planet one is pretty good too.

458
00:24:21.539 --> 00:24:22.920
And Michael?

459
00:24:22.980 --> 00:24:25.859
Yeah, yeah. vision in pink.

460
00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:26.640
It's okay.

461
00:24:26.700 --> 00:24:28.680
But it's always those daisy duck shoes.

462
00:24:28.740 --> 00:24:29.759
Yeah.

463
00:24:29.819 --> 00:24:32.460
Those stupid things in time lash, not time lash.

464
00:24:32.579 --> 00:24:38.759
What is it, mysterious planet, when she's stomping around with the new forest in a pair of daisy duck pumps.

465
00:24:39.240 --> 00:24:41.279
Foolish bint.

466
00:24:41.819 --> 00:24:44.640
Have we had the Australian cliffhanger yet?

467
00:24:44.700 --> 00:24:47.279
Oh, we're about to come up.

468
00:24:47.339 --> 00:24:47.519
Yes.

469
00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:50.160
Actually, I was thinking about that because I can't remember.

470
00:24:50.220 --> 00:24:51.660
I can't remember what it is.

471
00:24:51.779 --> 00:24:52.440
I think it was.

472
00:24:52.500 --> 00:24:54.059
Yeah, I think you might be right.

473
00:24:54.119 --> 00:24:54.599
Just that.

474
00:24:54.660 --> 00:24:56.279
It wasn't the dalek.

475
00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:57.900
Just before the Dalek, wasn't it?

476
00:24:57.960 --> 00:24:59.519
That's pretty shoddy. one of the shoddy ones.

477
00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:01.079
It should have been the Dalek.

478
00:25:01.140 --> 00:25:05.519
It could have been it could have been an end of one Dalek end of episode one Dalek reveal.

479
00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:08.099
But we have had them before.

480
00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:09.359
But it's always the case of these.

481
00:25:09.420 --> 00:25:10.920
They just went, oh, this is the time boom.

482
00:25:10.980 --> 00:25:15.180
And if they'd gone 20 seconds or 30 seconds either side, half the time, it's a better cliffhanger.

483
00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:17.460
But didn't production build them in?

484
00:25:17.519 --> 00:25:18.119
No.

485
00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:24.299
That's why we had the ones, you know, where the Hacienda is this way.

486
00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:26.220
That's the best one ever. love that.

487
00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:26.880
It's my favourite.

488
00:25:26.940 --> 00:25:34.079
Having said that, like the cliffhanger for episode 3 of this is different depending on which territory you're in.

489
00:25:34.140 --> 00:25:36.299
Okay, well, let's talk about that when we get to it.

490
00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:37.799
I think you're all being very kind here.

491
00:25:37.859 --> 00:25:42.359
None of you have surpassed the Mali linoleum floor of the excellence.

492
00:25:42.420 --> 00:25:44.519
Yes, the bath mat of doom.

493
00:25:44.579 --> 00:25:46.859
Which, again, was not meant to be a cliffhanger.

494
00:25:47.220 --> 00:25:49.440
No, they had to move things around.

495
00:25:49.500 --> 00:25:54.359
I think it might have been trying to get into the city and the Daleks coming around the corner, but they said, no, we've got a nice bit of floor here.

496
00:25:54.420 --> 00:25:55.440
We'll make that the cliffhanger.

497
00:25:55.500 --> 00:25:58.079
Look, it would have been really hard to lay.

498
00:25:58.140 --> 00:25:59.579
I found it quite exciting.

499
00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:01.920
Obius coming back.

500
00:26:01.980 --> 00:26:05.400
Oh, I'd really like that carpet.

501
00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:07.680
Hello, still.

502
00:26:07.740 --> 00:26:08.819
I want the morpherton's back.

503
00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:09.539
Yes.

504
00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:12.119
And can we have Jackie Hill as well, please?

505
00:26:12.180 --> 00:26:13.140
Oh, please.

506
00:26:13.500 --> 00:26:17.519
Humans are unparallelled in their dexterity.

507
00:26:17.819 --> 00:26:19.859
Not fur brains.

508
00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:23.940
But Meg lost track of you or an earthly child?

509
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:25.619
I like Meg lost Jackie, actually.

510
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:27.660
This is the thing.

511
00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:28.319
She's good in everything.

512
00:26:28.380 --> 00:26:28.980
Yeah.

513
00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:34.440
I think we said at the time, she takes a very thankless role and humanises it. gives some dignity.

514
00:26:34.500 --> 00:26:37.619
Yeah, absolutely. wipes the walls with Lala.

515
00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:40.319
It's quite impact. kind of embarrassing, isn't it?

516
00:26:40.380 --> 00:26:40.980
Who else is on screen?

517
00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:42.119
Don't know, can't see.

518
00:26:42.839 --> 00:26:47.460
And she's got and she's got longer bangs and everything, hasn't she?

519
00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:48.480
Her extensions are even better.

520
00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:49.799
Yes, yeah.

521
00:26:50.220 --> 00:26:51.900
Oh dear.

522
00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:54.000
Jackie, would like you back on the series.

523
00:26:54.059 --> 00:26:55.259
We got a wonderful role for you.

524
00:26:55.319 --> 00:26:56.160
The mutant.

525
00:26:56.220 --> 00:26:58.019
All around in the snow.

526
00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:02.880
Chucky Lane.

527
00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:04.559
No, he'll.

528
00:27:04.619 --> 00:27:05.819
He does look like not the same.

529
00:27:05.819 --> 00:27:06.660
Save on a makeup, Bill.

530
00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:07.799
No, that should have been Larry.

531
00:27:07.859 --> 00:27:12.180
He does look like someone who Pierce Brosnan would have just dissed, doesn't he?

532
00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:15.000
They all look like pre...

533
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:17.700
No, of course this is Roger was still Bond, wasn't he?

534
00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:18.359
Yeah, yeah.

535
00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:19.259
But only for once.

536
00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:22.140
Oh, he's totally wham there. doctor.

537
00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:23.880
I thought that was Roger.

538
00:27:24.660 --> 00:27:26.700
That's a revelation.

539
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:29.579
So I... is a revelation.

540
00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:30.660
No, it's Richard Keel.

541
00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:31.319
Look at the teeth.

542
00:27:34.380 --> 00:27:36.599
It's amazingly gross, isn't it?

543
00:27:36.660 --> 00:27:39.299
They wanted to do a glass dalek for a while, I think.

544
00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:41.279
Terry Nation, the Daleks.

545
00:27:41.339 --> 00:27:41.700
Right.

546
00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:42.900
Slash mutants.

547
00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:47.039
It's actually in Doctor Who in an exciting adventure with the Dale.

548
00:27:47.099 --> 00:27:47.940
There's a glass darling.

549
00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:49.259
Right.

550
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:51.539
So this is something that we've always wanted to be able to do.

551
00:27:52.019 --> 00:27:54.960
It is gross, but I think it looks amazing.

552
00:27:55.019 --> 00:27:57.240
Like, I think they're clearly feeding...

553
00:27:57.240 --> 00:28:05.099
They're feeding air into sort of the stuff around his head so that it, like the heads all sort of throbbing and stuff. like a big old vein.

554
00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:07.140
And there's a lot of KY jelly beans.

555
00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:09.240
It's getting very Kenny everywhere.

556
00:28:09.299 --> 00:28:10.980
Safe word slip back.

557
00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:15.900
Are you getting Captain Crewman noises as well?

558
00:28:17.339 --> 00:28:20.160
When are we doing the Kenny Everett podcast?

559
00:28:20.220 --> 00:28:21.119
Ah, we're doing it now.

560
00:28:24.299 --> 00:28:29.759
I remember thinking that the way that he turns around so quickly is fantastic.

561
00:28:29.819 --> 00:28:31.920
Like, you can believe that he's a disembodied head.

562
00:28:31.980 --> 00:28:37.200
Well, I thought the ship had blown up, you know, when he was escaping and all that, they managed to save their head somehow.

563
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:39.480
A lot of peting going off into space.

564
00:28:39.539 --> 00:28:41.039
Can we not mention that?

565
00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:43.259
Long before Futurama. had this.

566
00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:45.480
Yeah, yeah, that's it.

567
00:28:45.539 --> 00:28:46.559
He's head in a jar.

568
00:28:46.619 --> 00:28:48.660
It kind of looks a bit like Tom Baker.

569
00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:51.240
That's true, saying.

570
00:28:51.299 --> 00:28:52.980
We've got a great role for you, Tom.

571
00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:56.279
And it's the same offscreen attitude too at the time.

572
00:28:56.339 --> 00:28:59.279
James, please tell me in what way does he look like, Tom?

573
00:28:59.339 --> 00:29:01.500
The sort of pulsating brain looks like.

574
00:29:01.619 --> 00:29:02.940
Silhouette.

575
00:29:03.059 --> 00:29:04.619
A silhouette.

576
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:05.759
It's a season 18 Tom.

577
00:29:05.819 --> 00:29:06.599
Yeah, silhouette.

578
00:29:06.660 --> 00:29:10.380
Oh, top throb. looks like an excellent to me. looks like an excellent.

579
00:29:10.500 --> 00:29:11.579
Oh, beautiful.

580
00:29:11.579 --> 00:29:12.839
With his big cowl over his head.

581
00:29:12.900 --> 00:29:15.000
More like a gel guard.

582
00:29:15.059 --> 00:29:16.859
Yeah, here's a bit.

583
00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:19.980
Do we know what ever happened?

584
00:29:20.039 --> 00:29:20.880
I need Brendan here.

585
00:29:20.940 --> 00:29:24.240
Do we know what ever happened to bloke on right with nice perm?

586
00:29:24.299 --> 00:29:38.220
Because he does definitely feel like someone that would have been in 30 seconds of bond before being thrown the keys to the higher car and told to sod off and sort it out for yourself while I go and taunt Caroline Monroe and my lovely knitwear ensemble.

587
00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:41.339
Yeah, the number one hit with careless whisper the next year.

588
00:29:45.299 --> 00:29:46.980
That's a revelation.

589
00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:48.420
You must say, Caroline, John.

590
00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:56.279
Caroline Monroe just did a piece for the Guardian on her career, which mentions the lovely Roger and his knitwear.

591
00:29:56.339 --> 00:29:57.839
They both started as knitwear models.

592
00:29:58.140 --> 00:30:01.200
She said he was lovely and we talked about knitwear.

593
00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:12.299
I have to say that both of the mutants in this story, I think, give good performances, like one of the location and him, as it builds to been...

594
00:30:12.299 --> 00:30:14.099
Yeah, they're really good.

595
00:30:14.220 --> 00:30:17.519
It's quite touching when the mutant outside is dying.

596
00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:18.180
Oh, dear.

597
00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:21.119
Oh, no, now it's going horrible.

598
00:30:21.180 --> 00:30:22.319
Yeah.

599
00:30:22.380 --> 00:30:24.420
Yeah, punch the woman in the stomach.

600
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:26.400
That's what we want to see on tea time TV.

601
00:30:26.460 --> 00:30:28.200
Hashtag Davros too.

602
00:30:28.259 --> 00:30:29.759
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

603
00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:31.740
These are Graham.

604
00:30:31.859 --> 00:30:33.299
Harper's creative decisions, aren't they?

605
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:34.859
Well, I think it's the script.

606
00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:40.200
I mean, like this thing where we're going to like, you know, where Colin wants to carve bits of a face off.

607
00:30:40.259 --> 00:30:44.400
Like, you know, I just don't think that's the right tone for us to be taking.

608
00:30:44.460 --> 00:30:51.480
Yeah, I actually think Mr. Lilt there is one of the most misbegotten characters ever to appear in Doctor Who.

609
00:30:51.539 --> 00:30:59.640
He's so unpleasant, that he takes out a flick knife and says, I must mark her, which is just not Doctor Who in any way.

610
00:30:59.700 --> 00:31:01.500
No, no, he doesn't do it.

611
00:31:01.559 --> 00:31:01.859
Yeah.

612
00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:02.579
Yeah.

613
00:31:02.579 --> 00:31:05.940
So this is a great character as well.

614
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:07.440
Great actor.

615
00:31:07.500 --> 00:31:08.220
William Gordon.

616
00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:08.640
Yeah.

617
00:31:08.700 --> 00:31:10.500
So this is a response, isn't it?

618
00:31:11.940 --> 00:31:18.720
Is there something where he says, no, I want to sort of create an amoral kind of character who's not?

619
00:31:18.779 --> 00:31:20.339
I can't remember.

620
00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:21.660
There's some story.

621
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:22.619
Is it Lytton?

622
00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:24.059
Did he want to create his own litter?

623
00:31:24.119 --> 00:31:24.960
Well, Lytton was his.

624
00:31:25.019 --> 00:31:26.279
Yeah, Lytton was his.

625
00:31:26.339 --> 00:31:34.980
I don't know, but I think that this is that he's a good character and this is him trying to be Robert Holmes and having a sort of homesey and double act with these two.

626
00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:39.960
And I think it's reasonably successful and partly just because William Gaunt's really good.

627
00:31:40.859 --> 00:31:43.680
I think everybody in this scene is just amazing.

628
00:31:43.740 --> 00:31:49.019
Yeah, I mean, the characters are well written in this story, but they're all played to perfection.

629
00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:54.539
And in fact, the story's just full of homes and double X for want of using that expression.

630
00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:56.880
Fogue, Vogel and Kara.

631
00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:57.720
Fogel and Kara.

632
00:31:57.720 --> 00:31:58.559
Tarkas and Lil.

633
00:31:58.619 --> 00:32:00.900
Yeah, um, the doctor and Natasha.

634
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:02.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

635
00:32:02.940 --> 00:32:05.160
Show Bill and sorry, not the doctor.

636
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:07.740
Yeah, the young doctor a little while.

637
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:10.559
Joe Bell and Tessa Baker.

638
00:32:10.619 --> 00:32:11.039
Yeah.

639
00:32:11.099 --> 00:32:25.740
So Joe Bell is obviously based on Mr. Joyboy from which you should just really put your iPhone down right now at this point switches off and then go and read the loved one, which is incredibly brutal.

640
00:32:25.859 --> 00:32:29.220
Like, it's actually more brutal than this.

641
00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:38.519
Um, and yeah, it's really horrible and super, you know, you know, like Evelyn Moore clearly was a truly terrible person.

642
00:32:38.579 --> 00:32:47.160
I was measuring Royal North Shore hospital with a large part of it when I was reading that as a student and assistant architect.

643
00:32:47.220 --> 00:32:49.019
I had to go and measure lots of nasty bits of it.

644
00:32:49.019 --> 00:32:54.599
And it was the perfect thing to be reading sitting outside for a hour thinking, I've got to go back into the bowels of that.

645
00:32:54.660 --> 00:32:55.799
No, I'll read a bit more.

646
00:32:55.859 --> 00:32:56.819
It's more fun.

647
00:32:56.880 --> 00:32:58.259
It's really horrible.

648
00:32:58.319 --> 00:32:59.220
It's super funny.

649
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:01.200
I read it at school for some reason.

650
00:33:01.259 --> 00:33:06.119
I don't know why they thought it was appropriate, but I guess we didn't really understand it when we were in year nine.

651
00:33:06.180 --> 00:33:07.259
Now reading is an adult.

652
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:07.980
It's horrible.

653
00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:10.740
Are you saying that, Eric, they would turn something down?

654
00:33:10.859 --> 00:33:11.759
Yeah, a bit.

655
00:33:11.819 --> 00:33:17.700
Well, saying that this is based on the loved one is doing love and disservice.

656
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:19.259
I mean, it's just wholesale ripped from it.

657
00:33:19.619 --> 00:33:34.920
Yeah, I mean, the loved one has lots of stuff about, you know, the relationship between England and America and stuff about Hollywood and like it's broader and got more interesting things, but it's got this place called Whispering Glades, which is the sort of giant necropolis.

658
00:33:34.980 --> 00:33:37.079
So tranquil repose.

659
00:33:37.140 --> 00:33:42.240
Even that there's a little bit of dialogue about how Americans have embarrassing names for this.

660
00:33:42.299 --> 00:33:45.119
You know, when Perry hears, it's called tranquil repose.

661
00:33:45.180 --> 00:33:47.940
She says, that's like something we would come up with in the states.

662
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:59.940
And so it's a massive necropolis and it's, you know, beautiful and wonderful, but it's, you know, racially segregated and Jewish people aren't allowed to be buried there.

663
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:02.940
And it's really, really kind of horrible.

664
00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:12.840
Uh, and then there's the, um, the dog cemetery that the main character works at the pet cemetery, the name of which happy hunting ground, I think it's called.

665
00:34:13.019 --> 00:34:16.619
And the end of the loved one, Richard, do you remember?

666
00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:18.360
I want to spoil it.

667
00:34:18.420 --> 00:34:24.900
I'm not going to spoil it, but it is just about the blackest, darkest thing that I've ever read.

668
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:25.980
It's wonderful.

669
00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:29.579
Well, Stephen King tried to ape it with pet symmetry, didn't he?

670
00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:30.719
But he never got quite as...

671
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:34.019
No, no, it's nowhere near as terrifying as the loved one.

672
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:38.219
This lovely location filming.

673
00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:39.480
IBM Portsmouth.

674
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:40.860
Is that where it is?

675
00:34:40.860 --> 00:34:43.679
I don't know why they built pyramids there that they did.

676
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:47.460
Still here to this day, children.

677
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:51.179
You can still go along and toss a jabble light at each other, so that's good.

678
00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:53.699
What do we think of the timing thing?

679
00:34:53.760 --> 00:35:03.659
People critique season 22 because they don't seem to work out exactly how to do two part stories with 44 minute episodes?

680
00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:13.800
Well, I think I think they've worked it out by now, but here, the necessity was that these 2 were doing pantomime and so they couldn't do certain blocks of recording in studio, so you had to write them on location.

681
00:35:13.860 --> 00:35:14.400
Right.

682
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:16.559
So the doctors wearing a pantsomime keep there.

683
00:35:16.619 --> 00:35:20.579
Well, I mean, they're not on in the studio at all for episode one.

684
00:35:20.699 --> 00:35:21.360
That's right.

685
00:35:21.780 --> 00:35:30.239
And that's a lot more studio, not a lot more location stuff than we would ordinarily expect in a story in this era.

686
00:35:30.300 --> 00:35:33.719
Um, It's about about the same.

687
00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:35.340
I think, maybe.

688
00:35:35.340 --> 00:35:39.599
Mark of the Rani had double the... double the location filming allocated to it.

689
00:35:39.659 --> 00:35:42.480
But that's because they got an extra crew, right, for free.

690
00:35:42.539 --> 00:35:46.739
So, I mean, but episode two, I think there's they're indoors a lot more.

691
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:47.820
Yeah, yeah, right.

692
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:52.860
I think it just seems like there's more location work because it's all clumped together in one episode.

693
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:57.420
So, yeah, I agree, James. and the fact that Dr. and Perry are all on occasion for this episode.

694
00:35:57.480 --> 00:35:58.380
Just, yeah.

695
00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:06.059
Yeah, and I think people might get it in reverse in season 22 where they say that the doctor and Perry just take forever to arrive.

696
00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:07.139
So why are they keeping them separate?

697
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:14.760
I think they were probably trying to the inverse, which was set up of a convincing world and then bring the doctor into it.

698
00:36:14.820 --> 00:36:16.139
It doesn't quite work.

699
00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:17.760
But it's all right.

700
00:36:17.820 --> 00:36:20.400
Yeah, I mean, he comes in and breaks it all.

701
00:36:20.460 --> 00:36:22.559
Like they come in and just sort of wreck it.

702
00:36:22.619 --> 00:36:26.400
They and the Daleks sort of come in and wreck it, I think.

703
00:36:26.460 --> 00:36:37.739
I actually think Barris is the worst story in terms, basically, in terms of keeping the Dr. in Perry out of the world, through the whole device, in the Tartar console and having a hissy fit and all that.

704
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:40.559
That's the one thing in that story that I find the pacing really bad.

705
00:36:40.619 --> 00:36:44.219
If I had to pick an episode this season, that's where they've stretched.

706
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:48.960
I feel like they've stretched one episode of 25 minutes into 45.

707
00:36:49.139 --> 00:36:51.480
I mean, they do it a bit in time lash, don't they?

708
00:36:51.539 --> 00:36:57.420
running under time and they just record a whole lot of kind of stuff that's marking time in the TARDIS console room with Herbert.

709
00:36:57.480 --> 00:36:59.400
Yeah, but that's a bit later on.

710
00:36:59.460 --> 00:37:00.000
Yeah.

711
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:02.340
I think it depends on the quality of the rising here.

712
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:03.719
The scenes between them are good.

713
00:37:03.780 --> 00:37:06.840
And so you don't mind watching Adler scenes of just a doctor and Perry wandering around.

714
00:37:06.900 --> 00:37:18.179
And, you know, and these guys here in this scene have got so much exposition of world building with the great healer and the food across the galaxy and then their mission.

715
00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:19.260
You don't mind at all.

716
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:21.360
Oh my god, I just love this.

717
00:37:21.420 --> 00:37:22.800
I can just sit here and watch it all day.

718
00:37:22.860 --> 00:37:30.780
We missed that scene with Joe Bell talking to his assistants, and I think it must be the only reference to nose picking in Doctor Who.

719
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:33.360
Not even in the new series.

720
00:37:33.420 --> 00:37:34.860
I don't think so.

721
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:39.300
I mean, Tom Baker went around with a big old booger hanger out of his nose in Keeper of Truck.

722
00:37:39.300 --> 00:37:40.260
He did, though, didn't he?

723
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:41.460
It's quite over.

724
00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:45.719
Well, nose picker is a cockney reference for many other.

725
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:47.280
You know what I'm saying, don't you?

726
00:37:47.340 --> 00:37:52.380
Once a nose picker always, a nose picker son. you know, it's pretty much the same as, you know, shirtlifter.

727
00:37:52.500 --> 00:37:54.480
That's a revelation.

728
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:01.260
I don't yes.

729
00:38:01.260 --> 00:38:11.519
Sorry, guys. tuning in and out of your conversation, but I'm actually watching this episode. thinking of the listener at home. loves us talking all over each other on the show.

730
00:38:11.579 --> 00:38:15.119
Otherwise, you might as well just sit and watch it with this turned off and read them.

731
00:38:15.179 --> 00:38:18.000
Oh no, you wouldn't, you'd go and turn everything off and read the loved one, wouldn't you?

732
00:38:18.059 --> 00:38:18.420
Yes, exactly.

733
00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:21.599
In a comedy turban. whilst watching Soylid Green.

734
00:38:22.860 --> 00:38:28.739
Uh, yeah, which Seywood said he hadn't watched when it was when he was riding this.

735
00:38:28.739 --> 00:38:32.880
And it really, that, that's perfectly fair because it was so mimetic at the time.

736
00:38:32.940 --> 00:38:35.400
You didn't need to have seen silent green to know it.

737
00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:37.440
It's like most Kubrick films.

738
00:38:37.500 --> 00:38:38.579
You don't need to have seen them.

739
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:39.059
Yeah.

740
00:38:39.059 --> 00:38:42.659
To get the message, get the drill or get them.

741
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:44.340
I love that it's all being shot in the 0 room.

742
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:47.880
It has the same set.

743
00:38:47.940 --> 00:38:49.559
That's a revelation.

744
00:38:49.619 --> 00:38:52.380
I just found it lying around in props somewhere.

745
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:54.480
Very observant. very true.

746
00:38:54.539 --> 00:38:56.460
I'm just waiting for Bostock to levitate.

747
00:38:56.519 --> 00:38:58.199
I was going to say Bostock.

748
00:38:58.320 --> 00:38:59.639
He actually looks smelly.

749
00:38:59.699 --> 00:39:01.500
Yeah, he looks oily, doesn't he?

750
00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:05.880
He looks like a conventioner at a Dr. Convention around this time.

751
00:39:05.940 --> 00:39:11.519
You need a line there where Kara said, oh, it said you only have to breathe on a victim.

752
00:39:11.579 --> 00:39:13.619
I said, no, I leave that to Boston.

753
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:18.000
I do love her line.

754
00:39:18.059 --> 00:39:20.519
The odours of nature have charms all their own.

755
00:39:20.579 --> 00:39:22.739
She is so tremendous.

756
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:25.739
You totally been to an old style, not too conventional.

757
00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:30.960
And her pleasing personality.

758
00:39:31.019 --> 00:39:33.179
That's a revelation.

759
00:39:33.300 --> 00:39:35.039
She is so good.

760
00:39:35.099 --> 00:39:36.480
I love her so much.

761
00:39:36.539 --> 00:39:38.159
It's a brilliant performance.

762
00:39:38.219 --> 00:39:41.579
And, you know, she went on to be in Emmerdale wearing a blonde wig.

763
00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:42.119
Really?

764
00:39:42.179 --> 00:39:44.460
I like to collect...

765
00:39:44.460 --> 00:39:45.360
She wants...

766
00:39:45.420 --> 00:39:46.860
She once rang the office.

767
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:52.079
Gary Gillett answered the phone and almost had a coronary on the spot and was like, oh, yes, right.

768
00:39:52.139 --> 00:39:54.300
And then hung up, said, Jenny Thomasson just rang us.

769
00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:57.300
She said she can't come to the awards because she can't get a dress at Monsoon.

770
00:39:59.099 --> 00:40:06.960
One thing about the makeup here is she's got this helmet thing with the lines there, but then she's obviously meticulously drawn on her forehead.

771
00:40:07.019 --> 00:40:11.039
Her forehead so that you can't actually move that helmet up her tail so that it matches.

772
00:40:11.099 --> 00:40:12.539
It is a very strange choice.

773
00:40:12.780 --> 00:40:14.820
It's an...

774
00:40:14.820 --> 00:40:16.019
It's a creative choice.

775
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:17.699
Puzzling creative choice, yeah.

776
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:18.599
But it works.

777
00:40:18.659 --> 00:40:22.380
She's got her pseudo-layer buns at the side.

778
00:40:22.500 --> 00:40:23.039
Yeah.

779
00:40:23.099 --> 00:40:26.460
Yeah, she was very well regarded from, was it upstairs downstairs?

780
00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:29.039
Or the Duchess of Duke's Street.

781
00:40:29.099 --> 00:40:29.820
It was one of the two.

782
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:30.659
She played a lead role.

783
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:31.559
Wow.

784
00:40:31.619 --> 00:40:32.820
It's like someone below stairs.

785
00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:33.659
Right, right.

786
00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:35.039
Wow, look at that.

787
00:40:35.099 --> 00:40:37.079
They built those purposely.

788
00:40:37.139 --> 00:40:39.059
What are those IBM pyramids?

789
00:40:39.780 --> 00:40:41.820
That's actually quite well done.

790
00:40:41.880 --> 00:40:42.960
It's a glass shot, isn't it?

791
00:40:43.019 --> 00:40:43.440
Looks amazing.

792
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:45.480
I love this.

793
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:46.980
This doesn't quite work.

794
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:48.360
No, but I love it.

795
00:40:48.360 --> 00:40:50.699
There's no way the doctor could miss sighted the dialler care.

796
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:52.920
Oh, no, that is good.

797
00:40:52.980 --> 00:40:59.460
Again, having it, rather than appear in the background, having them in the background and having it cross in front of the camera.

798
00:40:59.579 --> 00:41:01.739
And it is an incredible location.

799
00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:13.380
Doctor Who, until the new series, Doctor Who, oh, well, I guess, I guess, uh, frontier in space using a sort of modernish building to be a building from the future, um, two, in fact.

800
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:13.920
Yeah.

801
00:41:13.980 --> 00:41:14.760
Yeah.

802
00:41:14.820 --> 00:41:16.920
So it's not something they do very much, though.

803
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:19.199
It is a good location.

804
00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:23.940
I think you can see people wandering around with clipboards like behind windows occasionally.

805
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:26.099
This is so gross.

806
00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:27.179
Oh, it's horrible.

807
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:28.679
But again, it's nicely shot.

808
00:41:28.739 --> 00:41:31.380
I do like, you know, Tarkas in the foreground.

809
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:34.800
Well, we're torturing people in the background.

810
00:41:34.860 --> 00:41:38.340
I do like my misogynist torturing to be well shot.

811
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:39.659
Yes, yes, why?

812
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:41.039
It's gross, isn't it?

813
00:41:41.099 --> 00:41:42.539
Tarkas is a good character.

814
00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:45.179
He's generally sort of amoral, isn't he?

815
00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:47.760
Allows all of this to go on, but he does have good intentions.

816
00:41:47.820 --> 00:41:48.960
Does he?

817
00:41:49.019 --> 00:41:52.199
I think so. trying to safeguard tranquil repose.

818
00:41:52.260 --> 00:41:53.579
He just wants to get back to what they're doing.

819
00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:57.000
He says it later on and, you know, help people and save lives.

820
00:42:00.059 --> 00:42:02.820
That's my friend tortures...

821
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:03.239
Yeah.

822
00:42:03.300 --> 00:42:04.440
Well, yeah, amoral.

823
00:42:08.099 --> 00:42:11.820
You look like you're seeing this for the 1st time.

824
00:42:11.820 --> 00:42:23.280
In some ways, I am, but I'm just remembering again British SF and how it never properly veered into the Americana of Spielberg and Lucas.

825
00:42:23.340 --> 00:42:27.360
It stayed post teen, didn't it?

826
00:42:27.420 --> 00:42:30.659
It was always a thread of dystopian.

827
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:32.760
We knew what was coming.

828
00:42:32.820 --> 00:42:43.139
I'm just looking at the footage of the Arctic splitting up today like crazy paving on the news and then looking at this and thinking, well, exactly there's too many people to feed and the atmosphere's becoming acidic.

829
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:44.940
We've always known this.

830
00:42:44.940 --> 00:42:46.800
And Doctor Who was always right there.

831
00:42:46.860 --> 00:42:53.280
We've talked about Rachel Carson's silent spring in Planet of the Giants and really way, way back.

832
00:42:53.340 --> 00:43:00.539
Again, I'm most impressed watching this and the beautiful lighting and the staging.

833
00:43:00.539 --> 00:43:02.760
Carper knows how to set up a multi-shot.

834
00:43:02.820 --> 00:43:03.420
Yeah, yeah.

835
00:43:03.420 --> 00:43:04.980
And get it. to look interesting.

836
00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:07.260
Really, really well.

837
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:11.579
But also to then show us exactly what the script's going on.

838
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:14.880
These were really intelligent creative people working on this on this show.

839
00:43:14.940 --> 00:43:20.579
And then we have Alexi Sale, who again, I don't think he's well served by the script or by the part.

840
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:22.320
But he's just there as a cypher, isn't he?

841
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:23.880
Yeah.

842
00:43:23.940 --> 00:43:31.980
Yeah, I think a story like this is a good example of the old studio system where the different creatives are bringing different layers to things.

843
00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:36.659
Harper's bringing an entirely new layer to this story in the way that he's shooting it.

844
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:41.219
And it just wouldn't have been there with some of the other directors of the era.

845
00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:42.239
Ron Jones.

846
00:43:42.300 --> 00:43:42.840
Yeah.

847
00:43:42.900 --> 00:43:43.199
Yeah.

848
00:43:43.260 --> 00:43:43.800
Yeah.

849
00:43:44.699 --> 00:43:46.320
Here we go.

850
00:43:46.380 --> 00:43:50.099
So we're heading towards our cliffhanger.

851
00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:51.539
Look at that.

852
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:53.639
Colin's eating a few pies this season, hasn't he?

853
00:43:53.699 --> 00:43:56.519
Yeah, well, just wait until next year.

854
00:43:56.579 --> 00:44:03.360
Do you think that might be a restoration team special edition somewhere where he falls on the marble block and it shatters?

855
00:44:03.719 --> 00:44:08.340
We have to remember his veto of the character options figure, don't we?

856
00:44:09.539 --> 00:44:11.340
I'm 23.

857
00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:12.300
Yeah, you remember that?

858
00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:14.219
They did a full car.

859
00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:16.320
I'm trying to remember Edward.

860
00:44:16.380 --> 00:44:18.599
Edward did a full carve, but they knew.

861
00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:19.800
Colin said no.

862
00:44:19.860 --> 00:44:21.780
That's not doing on sale.

863
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:24.659
He's sucking my gut.

864
00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:29.639
Had the season 22, Colin head, but the body of Joan Sim.

865
00:44:30.179 --> 00:44:34.320
It was a little bit Thomas the Tank engine in the end.

866
00:44:35.699 --> 00:44:40.440
I just think the hair is truly horrible in season 23 as well.

867
00:44:40.500 --> 00:44:41.400
I give you that.

868
00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:56.699
I do like all those fanboys when Jodie Whittaker started being the doctor, all those fanboys explaining that the doctor would never do anything trivial, like give herself blonde highlights and you kind of go, where were you boys during the 80s, for God's sake?

869
00:44:56.880 --> 00:44:58.920
Well, the 70s.

870
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:04.079
I love the way with this, how that thing's rocking in the background.

871
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:05.579
I think that's great.

872
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:06.360
It's setting it up.

873
00:45:06.780 --> 00:45:09.000
Oh, that long shot was good.

874
00:45:09.059 --> 00:45:10.500
I've had more of that.

875
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:13.380
And that's, I think that's a great, there you go.

876
00:45:13.500 --> 00:45:16.619
Well, do you know, it was originally supposed to fall onto the camera and go dark?

877
00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:21.480
So like cut to black because it had cut off all of the lights and it didn't work and so he flared it to white instead.

878
00:45:21.539 --> 00:45:22.739
Works really well.

879
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:25.320
Rather fabulously.

880
00:45:25.380 --> 00:45:27.960
The working title for this story was the end of the road.

881
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:34.739
It's not a very 80s Doctor Who name.

882
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:37.679
It's very, actually, it's a very new series.

883
00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:40.079
Yeah, so many people.

884
00:45:40.139 --> 00:45:43.440
Do you remember when Doctor Who used to have a big guest cast?

885
00:45:43.500 --> 00:45:49.619
Like, you know, we have these news, like series 11 where there'll be like 3 people or something?

886
00:45:49.619 --> 00:45:50.519
One of them will be a frog.

887
00:45:50.579 --> 00:45:51.300
No.

888
00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:57.780
Yeah, I mean, 80s or 2 just had endless guest cards.

889
00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:00.539
Now you look at Warriors Deep and you forget who some of the characters arcs.

890
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:01.500
There's just so many of them.

891
00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:03.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

892
00:46:03.059 --> 00:46:04.980
And also they were names.

893
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:07.920
They had good actors in every one of them, like we're seeing here.

894
00:46:07.980 --> 00:46:15.840
We may not know them so well out here, but if you were living in the UK and ever went to rep theatre or ever just watched any of the long ongoing series.

895
00:46:15.900 --> 00:46:16.980
These were names that got you in.

896
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:18.960
What were the ratings like on this one?

897
00:46:19.019 --> 00:46:19.920
Do you recall?

898
00:46:19.980 --> 00:46:22.199
The ratings were, they went up.

899
00:46:22.260 --> 00:46:25.260
Like I remember them being strong at the end of the season.

900
00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:26.579
A Dalek bump?

901
00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:27.780
Yeah, no, there was a bump.

902
00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:29.940
Yeah, that's harlic bump.

903
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:37.079
But interestingly, the bump came for episode 2 because episode one had the same ratings as Timelash episode 2 the previous.

904
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:37.980
Episode one was...

905
00:46:37.980 --> 00:46:40.739
7.400000 in episode 2 was 7.77.

906
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:43.800
Right. you go. couldn't quite remember.

907
00:46:43.860 --> 00:46:45.420
Respectable, isn't it, for the time?

908
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:45.840
I think so.

909
00:46:45.900 --> 00:46:49.739
And it was back in the top, it was like about 65th for the week.

910
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:55.380
Like, from time lash onwards, the ratings and the places went up, but, you know, it was too late by then.

911
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:56.940
The show was on hiatus.

912
00:46:57.059 --> 00:47:02.400
Now we're playing too cosy hindsight moments because that's what we all do, isn't it?

913
00:47:02.460 --> 00:47:04.199
Have a have a custard cream.

914
00:47:04.260 --> 00:47:05.940
You can leave the rich tea where they're sitting.

915
00:47:06.059 --> 00:47:08.460
Let's go for that deep, the deep and good biscuits.

916
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:18.300
My favourite moment of Trump in the UK this week is that little sign that a grandma held up was that Dear Queen, don't give him the good biscuits.

917
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:26.460
I hope that Colin is thinking the same for Dar Ross.

918
00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:33.539
If they don't know, we've got custard creams, they're cannon, aren't they, bloody hell?

919
00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:34.739
had a terrible accident.

920
00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:36.300
That's a revelation.

921
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:39.360
Would this have done?

922
00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:53.340
Would this actually have gone on to simply be respectable after this hiccough of if we hadn't had the response from Michael Gray and all the rest of them, and they just let it keep going and not do the hiatus, which again, no one seemed to know what to do with it.

923
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:56.280
How would it have been if we just had 2 more years?

924
00:47:56.340 --> 00:47:57.119
This has been good writing.

925
00:47:57.179 --> 00:48:12.719
Well, I think that I think, I mean, I remember feeling that what is, what's the problem with Doctor Who in the 80s, like the early 80s, is that they set a world and then they just put the doctor in it and nothing very interesting happens.

926
00:48:12.780 --> 00:48:16.800
Like there's a series of captures and escapes and stuff and then just sort of we get on with our lives.

927
00:48:16.860 --> 00:48:18.659
And so, John Wiles, you mean?

928
00:48:19.619 --> 00:48:21.780
But the storytelling What's wrong with the space museum?

929
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:23.280
That's an outrageous accusation.

930
00:48:23.340 --> 00:48:25.440
I actually really like the space museum.

931
00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:31.380
So I just think it seemed a bit tired and they stopped knowing why they were doing it.

932
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:33.360
And it has also stopped.

933
00:48:33.420 --> 00:48:50.280
I think part of moving away from Saturday nights and just the TV landscape, it just becomes yet another thing and and they're not thinking about who the audience is beyond the people that J and T meets the conventions and stuff.

934
00:48:50.340 --> 00:48:53.519
I think the main problem is must be seyward.

935
00:48:53.579 --> 00:48:56.219
I mean, I'm not as down on Eric Seywood as some people are.

936
00:48:56.280 --> 00:48:58.800
But I don't think he's interested in the character of the doctor.

937
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:02.460
He wants to be writing Blake 7, doesn't he?

938
00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:06.840
Yeah, actually, he might have done better on Blake 7, although it wouldn't have been clever.

939
00:49:06.900 --> 00:49:10.440
Can you imagine Avon and Villa spouting say you would dialogue at each other?

940
00:49:10.500 --> 00:49:11.940
You must think me a fool.

941
00:49:13.619 --> 00:49:16.380
He couldn't have done worse with season four.

942
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:20.699
I've just started watching that again after I can't tell you how many years since I watched it.

943
00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:24.659
I've never opened the DVD box, so it's at least since VHS.

944
00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:27.059
It doesn't really stand up as well, does it?

945
00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:29.280
Do you know, what I think is...

946
00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:30.659
Oh, moments.

947
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:33.960
Yeah, here's the shot of the doctor realising he's a magnificent organ.

948
00:49:34.019 --> 00:49:34.320
What?

949
00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:36.659
I love that look too.

950
00:49:36.780 --> 00:49:38.460
He knows something's up, right?

951
00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:41.099
And it's underplayed too.

952
00:49:41.159 --> 00:49:42.539
Oh, yeah, totally.

953
00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:45.480
Colin is so on point on this...

954
00:49:45.539 --> 00:49:49.139
He is, I actually think Colin's performance in this season is pretty good.

955
00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:51.179
It's pretty up there with everyone else.

956
00:49:51.239 --> 00:50:00.059
I think it goes slightly off when someone meddles the next season and says, no, no, play it like this and be more jolly and do this, take them away from his instincts and I think it goes off the tracks.

957
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:00.960
Do you?

958
00:50:01.019 --> 00:50:01.260
Okay.

959
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:03.480
He's actually a very good actor.

960
00:50:03.539 --> 00:50:05.699
He's just...

961
00:50:05.699 --> 00:50:06.239
No, no.

962
00:50:06.900 --> 00:50:07.440
On audio.

963
00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:12.539
But, you know, given something meaty and understanding.

964
00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:13.619
Thank you.

965
00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:14.099
Thank you.

966
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:15.900
Say word slip back.

967
00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:23.519
But given something to sink his teeth in too. he actually can do a pretty good job.

968
00:50:23.579 --> 00:50:24.840
Yes, thank you.

969
00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:29.219
I don't think it's Colin, particularly is the problem in this era at all.

970
00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:29.880
No.

971
00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:30.300
No.

972
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:31.019
Yeah.

973
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:33.300
And I just think it's the tone.

974
00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:34.619
Like something horrible is going on.

975
00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:38.340
And I also think Colin has an inclination to play roles big.

976
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:40.320
Sexy's normal computer voice.

977
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:44.699
That's you, James.

978
00:50:44.699 --> 00:50:45.599
That's a revelation.

979
00:50:45.659 --> 00:50:51.059
And so I think if a director encourages him to bring it down, then, you know, it's pretty good.

980
00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:52.260
I do actually love this voice.

981
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:54.780
Can you imagine if every Doctor Who computer had this voice?

982
00:50:54.840 --> 00:50:56.039
Imagine the boss.

983
00:50:56.099 --> 00:50:58.079
Sexy boss or Votan?

984
00:50:58.139 --> 00:50:59.039
should have been.

985
00:50:59.099 --> 00:51:01.619
They're all taking the piss out of Major Barrett, aren't they?

986
00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:03.659
As you should.

987
00:51:03.780 --> 00:51:05.460
Wasn't it Juno Baker doing the voice?

988
00:51:07.019 --> 00:51:13.380
If you just had a look at the captions there, the computer in brackets said sexily, you're welcome.

989
00:51:13.500 --> 00:51:15.420
I love this scene.

990
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:20.340
There's a moment that the doctor and Perry just look at each other as she's going through things and just look at them.

991
00:51:20.340 --> 00:51:21.599
It's fantastic.

992
00:51:21.780 --> 00:51:24.239
Yes, yes, yes.

993
00:51:24.300 --> 00:51:26.099
We both think the same thing.

994
00:51:26.159 --> 00:51:28.380
And now I'm going to put on my face.

995
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:30.239
Oh, it's fantastic.

996
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:46.920
I think I think you're right about the size of Colin's performance. that he kind of lacks interiority. and like classic doctors don't really have interiority, but coming back from Davison, where you could very definitely tell what he was thinking, he was always trying to do something with a line.

997
00:51:46.980 --> 00:51:50.519
Um, whereas, he looks like Eric, say what that.

998
00:51:50.579 --> 00:51:51.659
He does.

999
00:51:51.780 --> 00:51:53.820
That's a revelation.

1000
00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:54.900
That's the revelation.

1001
00:51:55.260 --> 00:51:56.699
Wow.

1002
00:51:56.760 --> 00:51:59.280
It's one of Saywood's own wigs, I think.

1003
00:51:59.340 --> 00:52:00.719
I wonder if that wasn't deliberate.

1004
00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:05.880
Who was pissing Graham Harper off the most?

1005
00:52:05.940 --> 00:52:07.500
Precisely.

1006
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:12.360
Because he is, he really was the Dougie Cameron light, wasn't he?

1007
00:52:12.420 --> 00:52:19.679
Just because he was kept it together and held order, he still had that military precision and that very short fuse.

1008
00:52:19.739 --> 00:52:22.559
Canfield had he'd worked with Canfield?

1009
00:52:22.619 --> 00:52:25.079
Yeah, he's been an Enjournue, yeah, yeah.

1010
00:52:25.139 --> 00:52:26.880
They both worked on the seeds of doom together.

1011
00:52:26.940 --> 00:52:27.659
Right.

1012
00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:36.539
I forgot that we were still on location here in what would have been episode three, but you know, there is a lot of location work.

1013
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:37.440
What are these things?

1014
00:52:37.500 --> 00:52:38.699
They're amazing.

1015
00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:40.920
It is a great location and it is really good.

1016
00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:46.079
And in a sort of proleptic reference to the parting of the ways.

1017
00:52:46.139 --> 00:52:52.019
We have bastic bullets here. welcome to the stage. once again.

1018
00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:53.460
I say, can I have Orsini's jacket?

1019
00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:53.940
Look at that.

1020
00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:54.539
It's amazing.

1021
00:52:54.659 --> 00:52:58.679
I like the gun. actually, with the little sort of...

1022
00:52:58.679 --> 00:52:59.940
I like the little nod too.

1023
00:52:59.940 --> 00:53:04.380
Sophie Eldred screen test we haven't seen yet and that he's wearing her jacket on the left there.

1024
00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:05.940
She's got bastards.

1025
00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:07.619
It's very up middle class.

1026
00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:15.059
The gun reminds me a bit of the Keys of Marinus, the little pod things.

1027
00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:15.480
Yeah, yeah.

1028
00:53:15.539 --> 00:53:16.079
I don't know.

1029
00:53:16.139 --> 00:53:17.159
Words never heard.

1030
00:53:17.219 --> 00:53:19.079
That gun reminds me of the keys of marinace.

1031
00:53:19.139 --> 00:53:21.300
I like this screen as well.

1032
00:53:21.420 --> 00:53:24.840
The looking through screens, like having a transparent thing.

1033
00:53:24.900 --> 00:53:26.940
So we shoot them through a screen.

1034
00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:27.300
Yeah.

1035
00:53:27.539 --> 00:53:30.420
Did you do that a bit last year in caves?

1036
00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:32.699
Yeah, he had holograms where people walking around.

1037
00:53:32.699 --> 00:53:34.139
Walking around, they did too.

1038
00:53:34.139 --> 00:53:34.739
How beautiful it was.

1039
00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:48.239
I'm definitely getting a vibe that this scene is titillation for the for the production office on how they would be casting the 7th doctor and companion because honestly, tropishly, it's almost scene for scene.

1040
00:53:48.300 --> 00:53:49.679
I'm not a little girl anymore.

1041
00:53:49.739 --> 00:53:52.079
I love how they both have rats' tails.

1042
00:53:52.139 --> 00:53:54.000
That's very period, isn't it?

1043
00:53:54.119 --> 00:53:59.099
And this, of course, was supposed to be a flying dalek, but they couldn't manage to do it.

1044
00:53:59.159 --> 00:54:01.920
But they seem to have brought a lot of explosives.

1045
00:54:01.980 --> 00:54:03.360
It's a great explosion.

1046
00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:05.820
I believe this is an aerodrome?

1047
00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:06.719
Plastic heads.

1048
00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:07.860
That's a revelation?

1049
00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:12.599
There's plastic heads on the closed captions instead of bastic, which is what it actually is.

1050
00:54:12.659 --> 00:54:15.000
Long suffering person doing the captions, like, what?

1051
00:54:15.059 --> 00:54:15.300
What?

1052
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:15.840
Plastic.

1053
00:54:15.900 --> 00:54:17.820
Is it an old World War II?

1054
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:19.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1055
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:23.579
Still talking to her and getting more frustrated. fantastic.

1056
00:54:26.699 --> 00:54:28.079
Perpetually the statement.

1057
00:54:28.139 --> 00:54:33.900
I do like the use of the term, the word inhumation as well, for burial.

1058
00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:41.280
I think Eric's having fun with this script, and you don't get a sense that he's having fun a lot of the time.

1059
00:54:41.460 --> 00:54:45.000
I think, you know, like he's branching out.

1060
00:54:45.059 --> 00:54:48.960
I think just the military stuff, you know, that he wants to do something a bit more satirical.

1061
00:54:49.019 --> 00:54:55.619
And that he was away from the production office and so maybe he wasn't have the stress of, we have to remember what it was like for him as well.

1062
00:54:55.679 --> 00:55:07.320
And JNT was just rattling around, really giving no feed except criticism and then going to a convention and bringing back whatever received fan wisdom was of the time. really didn't help.

1063
00:55:07.380 --> 00:55:11.159
But also too, J&T wasn't allowing old writers to come back.

1064
00:55:11.219 --> 00:55:14.400
You know, Eric's talked about that, you know. and that's a problem.

1065
00:55:14.460 --> 00:55:20.099
Was this the era at which he was spending most of his time doing his Christmas panto as well?

1066
00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:25.079
Well, that's what the Colin and Nicola were doing with Anthony Anley, I think, at the time, the Christmas panto.

1067
00:55:25.139 --> 00:55:26.159
I mean, where's your priority?

1068
00:55:26.219 --> 00:55:28.440
Yeah, oh, so that's why they're not in episode one.

1069
00:55:28.440 --> 00:55:29.639
That's right.

1070
00:55:29.699 --> 00:55:30.179
Yeah.

1071
00:55:30.179 --> 00:55:34.559
I think they might have decided to shoot in Portsmouth because it was near the Panto location as well.

1072
00:55:34.619 --> 00:55:36.239
Oh, God.

1073
00:55:37.139 --> 00:55:39.960
Well, look, I mean those things are still important.

1074
00:55:40.019 --> 00:55:56.280
And one of the things that Russell and like the other 3 letter initialism, like that RTD and JNT have in common is that they're both acutely aware that part of their job is to keep the show in the public eye and make it huge.

1075
00:55:56.280 --> 00:56:06.179
And Russell manages to do that by creating the sort of, you know, Doctor Who cinematic universe with bunches of spinoffs and all sorts of things and he does it really successfully.

1076
00:56:06.300 --> 00:56:08.519
Well, he also creates a show people want to watch.

1077
00:56:08.579 --> 00:56:10.079
Well, yeah, there's that as well.

1078
00:56:11.159 --> 00:56:14.940
Yeah, the pilot massage with Mistor didn't get off the ground.

1079
00:56:18.059 --> 00:56:20.219
Wow, I would watch the hell out of that time.

1080
00:56:21.300 --> 00:56:24.059
Spiel, Snape, Spiel, Snape.

1081
00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:26.039
Oh, Edward.

1082
00:56:27.300 --> 00:56:32.099
Our safe word for today will be either Romulus or Remus.

1083
00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:33.179
Not both at once.

1084
00:56:33.239 --> 00:56:34.440
No, they're interchangeable.

1085
00:56:34.500 --> 00:56:36.599
Haven't they been embalmed?

1086
00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:39.420
Look at that.

1087
00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:41.099
This story just looks amazing, doesn't it?

1088
00:56:41.159 --> 00:56:42.420
It looks really good.

1089
00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:46.139
I genuinely think that when the show came back in 2005.

1090
00:56:46.260 --> 00:56:51.119
This was one of the few stories you could have taken and shown alongside it and it wouldn't have looked like a museum piece.

1091
00:56:52.619 --> 00:56:56.820
The Graham's really good with his studio cameras.

1092
00:56:56.880 --> 00:56:58.679
Everything's covered brilliantly.

1093
00:56:58.739 --> 00:57:00.059
It's the lighting and the setting.

1094
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:04.320
It's also the positioning of the actors and the way that the camera moves around them.

1095
00:57:04.380 --> 00:57:07.860
You're not aware of a camera presence, but look how many jump cuts there are.

1096
00:57:07.920 --> 00:57:10.980
There's a lot of...

1097
00:57:10.980 --> 00:57:14.280
I actually love Colin's delivery of that line.

1098
00:57:14.340 --> 00:57:15.059
Oh, yes.

1099
00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:16.559
And then boom, boom.

1100
00:57:16.619 --> 00:57:18.539
And the Christmas Daleks.

1101
00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:21.539
So excited to see Christmas Daleks.

1102
00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:23.219
They're beautiful, aren't they?

1103
00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:24.900
Who would have thought that colour scheme would work?

1104
00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:25.920
It looks amazing.

1105
00:57:25.980 --> 00:57:30.719
And they look even better when they come back. in a few years time with the nice sexy eyes.

1106
00:57:30.780 --> 00:57:33.360
Oh, yeah, well, they've had a bit more money spent on them.

1107
00:57:33.420 --> 00:57:33.599
Yeah.

1108
00:57:33.659 --> 00:57:34.920
Yeah.

1109
00:57:34.980 --> 00:57:38.579
I mean they're new props, aren't they, when they come back for remembrance.

1110
00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:42.480
I think they made like a half dozen new props for this.

1111
00:57:42.539 --> 00:57:44.099
I wouldn't be surprised if they reused them.

1112
00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:44.519
Oh, okay.

1113
00:57:44.519 --> 00:57:47.159
The white dialects in this island are new props.

1114
00:57:47.219 --> 00:57:48.059
Yeah, right.

1115
00:57:48.119 --> 00:57:51.719
And you can tell when the gray ones turn up at the end, they look like they're a bit more rattly.

1116
00:57:51.780 --> 00:57:54.960
So this is just a redress set of the other office, isn't it?

1117
00:57:55.019 --> 00:57:56.460
Oh, so it is.

1118
00:57:56.519 --> 00:57:58.800
They've just turned the lights blue instead of pink.

1119
00:57:58.860 --> 00:58:01.619
Someone's turned on the air conditioning in the 0 room.

1120
00:58:03.059 --> 00:58:09.780
This is just like this creepiness of his character there is just...

1121
00:58:09.780 --> 00:58:10.199
It's gross.

1122
00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:10.980
Oh yeah.

1123
00:58:11.039 --> 00:58:13.679
And it is weird how the doctor sends Perry off with him.

1124
00:58:13.739 --> 00:58:15.420
Go with the sexual predator Perry.

1125
00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:18.360
In, um, in the loved one.

1126
00:58:18.420 --> 00:58:24.900
In the loved one, his analogue, Mr. Joyboy, lives with his mother and is coded as gay, isn't he?

1127
00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:26.280
Like, he's a cosmetician.

1128
00:58:26.340 --> 00:58:43.260
And there's a wonderful detail where there's a female lead, who's not really a lead, because the book's so misogynist, and he expresses his love for her by sending a series of corpses up to be kind of given the finishing touches.

1129
00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:53.159
It's her job to give them finishing touches and the corpses all have big smiles on them because he's so happy about how their relationship is going.

1130
00:58:53.219 --> 00:58:54.719
That's what I mean by toning it down.

1131
00:58:54.780 --> 00:58:57.119
The loved one is very, very much nastier than this.

1132
00:58:57.179 --> 00:59:02.760
But I love the fact here that he drops into his English accent and he's a beautiful character.

1133
00:59:02.820 --> 00:59:03.780
Yeah.

1134
00:59:03.840 --> 00:59:05.099
Yeah.

1135
00:59:05.159 --> 00:59:05.880
Yeah.

1136
00:59:05.940 --> 00:59:06.599
He is very sweet.

1137
00:59:06.659 --> 00:59:08.039
Is that shot differently?

1138
00:59:08.099 --> 00:59:10.440
Like, is there some sort of baseline or something on the lens?

1139
00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:13.380
In this in these shots?

1140
00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:14.880
Yeah, it's short and soft focus.

1141
00:59:14.940 --> 00:59:15.900
Yeah, I thought...

1142
00:59:15.900 --> 00:59:19.199
He saw one of the unsung heroes of Doctor Two.

1143
00:59:19.260 --> 00:59:24.780
These characters who come in and just align with the doctor and his friends because they're good characters and then end up dying horribly.

1144
00:59:24.840 --> 00:59:27.719
In fact, he's the only good person in the whole thing.

1145
00:59:28.679 --> 00:59:30.059
Yeah.

1146
00:59:30.119 --> 00:59:31.260
So he has to die.

1147
00:59:31.380 --> 00:59:31.800
Yeah.

1148
00:59:31.860 --> 00:59:33.000
Horribly.

1149
00:59:33.059 --> 00:59:36.480
Horribly. that he that he dies.

1150
00:59:36.539 --> 00:59:39.179
I like how well done that is. too.

1151
00:59:39.239 --> 00:59:43.920
Like I don't, you know, like killing character is for effect, I think, is sort of terribly cheap and stuff.

1152
00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:52.800
But having it done just in audio and not hearing it, I think it's really good with a doctor's reaction and stuff.

1153
00:59:53.039 --> 00:59:55.260
Oh, yeah, it's over the microphone.

1154
00:59:55.320 --> 00:59:56.460
Yeah, very sane.

1155
00:59:56.519 --> 00:59:57.179
Why don't you kill him?

1156
00:59:57.239 --> 00:59:57.960
Yeah, it's wonderful.

1157
00:59:59.219 --> 01:00:01.320
Look at this lovely scene.

1158
01:00:01.380 --> 01:00:02.400
She's doing such a good job.

1159
01:00:03.420 --> 01:00:08.219
So this is the temptation. of Tessemika.

1160
01:00:08.280 --> 01:00:08.639
Yeah.

1161
01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:10.260
It's interesting, isn't it?

1162
01:00:10.320 --> 01:00:15.599
It takes Davros's character back to where it started because in the previous 2 stories he's just been a cypher.

1163
01:00:15.659 --> 01:00:20.400
Whereas in Genesis, Davros could read people. manipulate them.

1164
01:00:20.460 --> 01:00:23.880
What do you think of Molloy as Davros?

1165
01:00:23.940 --> 01:00:25.920
He does a nice line and a gurgling laugh.

1166
01:00:25.980 --> 01:00:28.860
It's hard. hard to say, isn't it?

1167
01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:31.619
Because, again, it comes down to script and direction.

1168
01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:34.800
So Malloy, again, ooh, he's good on the audios.

1169
01:00:34.860 --> 01:00:36.719
He's great with Colin in the audios.

1170
01:00:36.780 --> 01:00:40.980
Really, really nice And I, this is Molloy here now, isn't it?

1171
01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:42.239
Yeah, he's lovely in this as well.

1172
01:00:42.300 --> 01:00:46.320
He's a meteor devil, isn't he, to go with our current theme?

1173
01:00:46.380 --> 01:00:52.019
There's a lot of offal in this. awful themed podcast today isn't he?

1174
01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:53.219
He's better than...

1175
01:00:53.219 --> 01:00:55.800
I like him in all of his 3 stories.

1176
01:00:55.860 --> 01:00:57.539
I think he's better than David Gooderson.

1177
01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:04.139
I think probably the problem is that, you know, in Genesis, you've got 6 episodes with him.

1178
01:01:04.199 --> 01:01:12.780
You've got quite a lot of time and you get to see him before he turns into the creator of the Daleks when he doesn't have that mythic status.

1179
01:01:13.260 --> 01:01:15.360
I think that's also the point.

1180
01:01:15.420 --> 01:01:22.860
You get the fragility of the actor himself, Michael Wisher and the tiny bath chair and the withering and you get lots of pull back shots of Dave Ross.

1181
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:27.059
But Malloy definitely is a far more rubicund Davrils.

1182
01:01:27.179 --> 01:01:29.099
I've been eating better.

1183
01:01:29.159 --> 01:01:30.300
Yes.

1184
01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:32.460
What both of them get.

1185
01:01:32.519 --> 01:01:45.900
And I think what probably Julian Bleach gets as well is the different registers, you know, that he has a very quiet voice and perhaps even slightly camp, like a, you know, when he speaks very quietly.

1186
01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:47.280
I'm right here.

1187
01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:51.119
I love this, how they enter the daleks in this scene.

1188
01:01:51.239 --> 01:01:54.900
Oh, this is oh, gorgeous.

1189
01:01:55.019 --> 01:01:55.980
Oh, there he goes.

1190
01:01:56.039 --> 01:01:57.780
Oh, this look, this look.

1191
01:01:57.840 --> 01:02:00.179
Oh, the little puppy look.

1192
01:02:00.239 --> 01:02:01.440
And now he's dead.

1193
01:02:01.800 --> 01:02:05.219
He does fall in a very comfortable way, doesn't he?

1194
01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:06.780
I think it's a great extermination.

1195
01:02:06.840 --> 01:02:07.619
Yeah.

1196
01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:08.940
It's better than people just lying down.

1197
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:11.400
She barely reacts in destiny.

1198
01:02:11.460 --> 01:02:16.860
Well, in fact, I love her line, you know, like in that...

1199
01:02:16.980 --> 01:02:22.079
Well, like we were saying earlier with Colin being very external. and that's all interior, isn't it?

1200
01:02:22.139 --> 01:02:22.619
Yeah, yeah.

1201
01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:29.699
This is a nice little scene.

1202
01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:39.900
I like the fact that he has, um, taken him upon himself to call in an outside force which we're going to see shortly.

1203
01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:43.500
Like there's something going on in the background that you don't necessarily pick up.

1204
01:02:43.559 --> 01:02:43.980
Yeah.

1205
01:02:44.039 --> 01:02:47.219
And we are made privy to everyone else's.

1206
01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:48.780
You're a very naughty man.

1207
01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:50.159
It's a revelation.

1208
01:02:53.880 --> 01:02:56.159
I think we should have a little time.

1209
01:02:56.280 --> 01:02:57.239
I mean look at the framing of that.

1210
01:02:57.360 --> 01:03:01.440
Well, well, that's the that's the camera that that's what we're going to see.

1211
01:03:01.500 --> 01:03:03.420
Desert Baker has been watching all along.

1212
01:03:03.480 --> 01:03:12.420
And in fact, they were all looking up in the air while they were conspiring, only to discover that in fact, look, they have been being observed by the great healer the whole time.

1213
01:03:14.280 --> 01:03:20.099
Do you remember how cut up this was in when we 1st saw it in Australia?

1214
01:03:20.219 --> 01:03:24.960
Oh, this ripped the climax out of it, didn't they, with Joe Bell?

1215
01:03:25.019 --> 01:03:25.800
Yeah, yeah.

1216
01:03:25.860 --> 01:03:26.760
I did they?

1217
01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:27.119
Yeah.

1218
01:03:27.179 --> 01:03:31.199
So that scene, there's a, you know, the scene and we're getting ahead of ourselves, but whatever.

1219
01:03:31.260 --> 01:03:34.380
Where Joe Bell dies and it's perfectly timed.

1220
01:03:34.440 --> 01:03:45.539
I don't know how it was achieved, but his 2 pay falls off onto the ground, like just a moment, you know, there's a little bead. wonderful because at the start of that scene, he's fussing around with it in the mirror.

1221
01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:50.880
But all that was cut when it was shown in Australia.

1222
01:03:51.000 --> 01:03:55.320
And so she rushes in and then she rushes off and we don't know what she's done.

1223
01:03:55.380 --> 01:04:03.059
Like she threatens him and maybe goes to stab him because there's a prolonged scene where he's sort of stumbling with a syringe coming.

1224
01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:12.480
That's the thing where she goes to stab him, and then you hear him sort of go, and then it cuts to her running through the corridor, so you don't see any of the aftermath.

1225
01:04:12.780 --> 01:04:15.059
Oh, okay, you don't see any of that.

1226
01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:18.719
Again, the Dalek eye stalk just came into shock when she turned around.

1227
01:04:18.780 --> 01:04:22.139
Another great directional. blocking is so good on this.

1228
01:04:25.199 --> 01:04:28.500
How did oh, because he's got a gas mask on?

1229
01:04:28.559 --> 01:04:32.400
I was just wondering, how does how does Boston manage to sneak up on anyone?

1230
01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:37.260
That's a revelation.

1231
01:04:37.260 --> 01:04:39.539
Smell anything in that thing.

1232
01:04:42.599 --> 01:04:44.579
The music in this as well.

1233
01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:53.579
Is Graham Harper the only director who ever got an actual scorer out of Roger Lim, rather than squeaks and squawks and Ark of Infinity soundscape?

1234
01:04:53.639 --> 01:04:54.539
Yeah.

1235
01:04:54.900 --> 01:04:57.179
I'm struggling to remember it.

1236
01:04:57.239 --> 01:04:59.699
But, uh, it's like Cave Zone Design.

1237
01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:01.739
It's the 2nd iteration of that.

1238
01:05:01.800 --> 01:05:02.340
Right.

1239
01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:03.599
And Roger Lim did that as well.

1240
01:05:03.659 --> 01:05:04.019
Yeah.

1241
01:05:04.079 --> 01:05:06.599
Did directors get to choose who did the music?

1242
01:05:06.659 --> 01:05:07.019
No.

1243
01:05:07.079 --> 01:05:08.460
It was just assigned?

1244
01:05:08.519 --> 01:05:09.599
No, not those.

1245
01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:15.599
Chris Cranfield always said, we'll be having none of the Aussie, striney, blokey type noise for me.

1246
01:05:15.659 --> 01:05:16.139
Thank you.

1247
01:05:16.199 --> 01:05:19.500
I want the London saxophone call. very much.

1248
01:05:19.559 --> 01:05:22.199
Maybe he just made his preferences known ahead of time.

1249
01:05:22.260 --> 01:05:22.980
Yeah.

1250
01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:26.280
That we did tell that story on the podcast, I think.

1251
01:05:26.340 --> 01:05:27.179
Yeah.

1252
01:05:27.239 --> 01:05:29.579
And you know, it's actually a little bit debunked, that story.

1253
01:05:29.639 --> 01:05:30.420
Is it?

1254
01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:30.840
Yeah.

1255
01:05:30.900 --> 01:05:43.920
Although, I mean, there's one... there is literally one episode of the 52 Blake 7 episodes, only one of them isn't scored by Dudley Simpson, and it is Canfields.

1256
01:05:43.980 --> 01:05:45.599
And do you know why that is?

1257
01:05:45.659 --> 01:05:56.340
It's because they were running behind on their schedule so much that Dudley couldn't keep up with the finished episodes and Duel was the only one where he said, I can either do this episode or I can do the next episode.

1258
01:05:56.400 --> 01:05:56.940
You can't have both.

1259
01:05:57.000 --> 01:05:57.719
Wow.

1260
01:05:57.780 --> 01:05:58.920
So it's a coincidence.

1261
01:05:58.980 --> 01:05:59.820
It's a coincidence.

1262
01:06:03.239 --> 01:06:04.980
Richard remains unconvinced.

1263
01:06:06.119 --> 01:06:11.099
I would have liked to have played the president's wife, actually, if I was in this.

1264
01:06:11.159 --> 01:06:12.719
It would have been relaxing, you know.

1265
01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:14.039
Do you like a bit of frothing?

1266
01:06:14.099 --> 01:06:14.579
Yeah, yeah.

1267
01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:16.260
I can froth on command actually.

1268
01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:17.460
I can froth on command.

1269
01:06:17.519 --> 01:06:18.960
Who is lying underneath that?

1270
01:06:19.019 --> 01:06:20.280
I'm like Elizabeth Moss.

1271
01:06:23.340 --> 01:06:24.780
Or is it just a mannequin?

1272
01:06:24.840 --> 01:06:26.699
Well, the hands look real.

1273
01:06:26.760 --> 01:06:33.599
No, they borrowed from from the Thunderbirds, their Lady Penelope's hands, from the close-ups in the Thunderbirds.

1274
01:06:33.659 --> 01:06:34.800
Off the Sitex cushion.

1275
01:06:35.579 --> 01:06:39.599
I told you how she's always coming and saying, Mr. Joe Bell.

1276
01:06:39.659 --> 01:06:42.420
I think Big Finishes missed a range here.

1277
01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:43.559
They could have the Mr. series.

1278
01:06:43.619 --> 01:06:45.420
I've heard Mr. Jobil.

1279
01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:46.199
And then guess who else?

1280
01:06:46.260 --> 01:06:47.340
Who else?

1281
01:06:47.400 --> 01:06:49.260
Senator Alcott from the Minder Evil.

1282
01:06:49.320 --> 01:06:50.340
Mr. Fu Pang.

1283
01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:52.019
Just stop it.

1284
01:06:52.079 --> 01:06:58.679
If you say that 3 times, Peter, there will be a box set by the time we finished recording. then we'll have Mr. Mestor.

1285
01:06:58.739 --> 01:07:02.099
If you say Meshtra Fufang 3 times, a Chinese dragon appears.

1286
01:07:02.159 --> 01:07:03.420
A vinyl one.

1287
01:07:06.480 --> 01:07:08.639
Oh, so here we go.

1288
01:07:08.699 --> 01:07:10.199
Yeah, here we go.

1289
01:07:11.699 --> 01:07:14.639
I actually, she is so horrible.

1290
01:07:14.699 --> 01:07:16.500
I mean he is so horrible to her.

1291
01:07:16.559 --> 01:07:20.760
Like the, the, um, what does he say?

1292
01:07:20.820 --> 01:07:22.860
I think I would rather have sex with my own mother or something.

1293
01:07:22.920 --> 01:07:27.239
Or other snog mayor. like a fat fawning creep or something like that.

1294
01:07:27.239 --> 01:07:29.039
It's really gross. really awful.

1295
01:07:29.099 --> 01:07:30.000
Yeah, yeah.

1296
01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:31.679
And she says to him, I knew you could be cruel.

1297
01:07:31.739 --> 01:07:34.679
She likes him even though he's a horrible person.

1298
01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:36.840
So here we go.

1299
01:07:36.960 --> 01:07:40.320
We're not requiring much acting from Clive, that here.

1300
01:07:41.159 --> 01:07:43.920
He does say, yeah, I have the pick of the women.

1301
01:07:43.980 --> 01:07:46.679
So I think he's really pushing his boundaries there. blank you.

1302
01:07:46.739 --> 01:07:48.059
Yeah, awful.

1303
01:07:48.119 --> 01:07:49.440
Own a falling creep.

1304
01:07:49.500 --> 01:07:52.019
Oh, yeah, that really gives an insight, doesn't it?

1305
01:07:52.079 --> 01:07:52.619
Yeah.

1306
01:07:56.880 --> 01:07:59.460
To think I almost threw up everything.

1307
01:08:02.219 --> 01:08:04.260
That's a revelation.

1308
01:08:04.320 --> 01:08:05.880
Oh my god, here we go.

1309
01:08:05.940 --> 01:08:07.079
Death by syringe.

1310
01:08:07.139 --> 01:08:08.579
I don't know if this should be in Doctor Who.

1311
01:08:08.639 --> 01:08:11.699
No, well, the ABC sensors clearly didn't think it should.

1312
01:08:11.760 --> 01:08:13.619
It's also the way she moves.

1313
01:08:13.679 --> 01:08:15.780
She's got a very pathetic kind of thing.

1314
01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:16.140
Yeah, yeah.

1315
01:08:16.199 --> 01:08:16.800
So here we go.

1316
01:08:16.859 --> 01:08:19.199
And it looks like SteadyCam as well.

1317
01:08:19.260 --> 01:08:22.140
Like, oh, yes, we're just going to walk past.

1318
01:08:22.260 --> 01:08:24.119
Yeah, we'll just nothing to see here.

1319
01:08:24.180 --> 01:08:24.720
Wow.

1320
01:08:24.720 --> 01:08:25.199
Yeah.

1321
01:08:25.260 --> 01:08:27.300
But then this.

1322
01:08:27.300 --> 01:08:28.979
She's just got a weapon in her hand.

1323
01:08:29.100 --> 01:08:31.680
And all the gunge has gone out of it into him.

1324
01:08:31.739 --> 01:08:33.840
And do we think it's embalming fluid?

1325
01:08:33.899 --> 01:08:34.920
Do we think that that's what that is?

1326
01:08:34.979 --> 01:08:35.279
Yeah.

1327
01:08:36.119 --> 01:08:38.640
So this was cut out of the Australian.

1328
01:08:38.699 --> 01:08:39.479
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1329
01:08:39.539 --> 01:08:40.859
That's unfair, isn't it?

1330
01:08:40.920 --> 01:08:42.359
But, you know, he looks down.

1331
01:08:42.420 --> 01:08:44.100
Oh my gosh, it's got a true pain.

1332
01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:45.239
That's a revelation.

1333
01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:49.380
No, it's not, but you always have to pay the entire time.

1334
01:08:49.439 --> 01:08:50.340
No, I didn't.

1335
01:08:50.460 --> 01:08:51.180
No, I didn't.

1336
01:08:51.180 --> 01:08:52.920
Goodbye, Tess and Bika. did love you.

1337
01:08:53.399 --> 01:08:56.039
Oh dear, this isn't going to go well for her.

1338
01:08:56.220 --> 01:08:57.899
Jess hands.

1339
01:08:59.819 --> 01:09:05.159
Why are Daleks italicised in the subtitles for these things?

1340
01:09:05.220 --> 01:09:06.119
I don't know.

1341
01:09:06.180 --> 01:09:10.319
No, they should bring back the Century 21 typeface, shouldn't they, Peter?

1342
01:09:10.380 --> 01:09:10.979
Yes.

1343
01:09:11.039 --> 01:09:13.979
Which had us cuniform mixed.

1344
01:09:14.039 --> 01:09:15.479
Yes. style to it.

1345
01:09:15.539 --> 01:09:16.979
For when the Daleks speak.

1346
01:09:17.039 --> 01:09:17.579
Yes.

1347
01:09:19.020 --> 01:09:21.720
And convert everything into Rels.

1348
01:09:22.920 --> 01:09:26.699
I wish big finish to throw some guys. like, oh, how many bells has it been now?

1349
01:09:26.760 --> 01:09:27.479
It's been forever.

1350
01:09:28.319 --> 01:09:32.340
So this is one of the endings of part three.

1351
01:09:32.399 --> 01:09:33.840
Oh.

1352
01:09:33.840 --> 01:09:36.720
See, I like this too.

1353
01:09:36.779 --> 01:09:39.899
Like, and the way that he's not looking at the camera.

1354
01:09:41.100 --> 01:09:44.579
There's something there's something interesting about that choice.

1355
01:09:45.479 --> 01:09:47.880
Which is actually quite a good end.

1356
01:09:48.239 --> 01:09:50.159
You're in terrible danger.

1357
01:09:50.220 --> 01:09:52.619
So he is looking at a camera.

1358
01:09:52.680 --> 01:09:58.500
It's also one of the instances where the 1st thing Perry says is I've been worried about you to the doctor.

1359
01:09:58.619 --> 01:10:03.359
Yeah, yeah. is a puppet in this one, isn't it?

1360
01:10:03.420 --> 01:10:04.380
The head is a puppet.

1361
01:10:04.439 --> 01:10:06.960
No, no, the head is Terry Malloy.

1362
01:10:07.020 --> 01:10:08.220
But how does he...

1363
01:10:08.220 --> 01:10:12.239
So he's sitting on an office chair and swivelling around.

1364
01:10:12.300 --> 01:10:13.140
Not that far.

1365
01:10:13.260 --> 01:10:14.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1366
01:10:14.819 --> 01:10:16.859
And apparently it was very uncomfortable.

1367
01:10:16.920 --> 01:10:19.079
Yeah, but it's all around.

1368
01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:21.899
It's fooled me to this day.

1369
01:10:21.960 --> 01:10:23.460
It's very funny actually.

1370
01:10:23.520 --> 01:10:32.100
Oh, no, no, because you look, if you're in the close-ups, you can see that you can still see the line between the latex and Malloy's.

1371
01:10:32.159 --> 01:10:33.119
I assumed it was a 2 shot.

1372
01:10:33.180 --> 01:10:34.979
So when the head swivels, it was a part.

1373
01:10:35.039 --> 01:10:38.340
No, no, when the head swivels, it's him swinging round.

1374
01:10:38.460 --> 01:10:40.260
That's dedication.

1375
01:10:40.319 --> 01:10:41.100
That's cruelty.

1376
01:10:41.220 --> 01:10:41.939
Yeah, yeah.

1377
01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:43.680
But it's really affective, isn't it?

1378
01:10:43.739 --> 01:10:45.600
Because it helps sell the fact that he's just ahead.

1379
01:10:45.720 --> 01:10:49.020
James, where was the other end of...

1380
01:10:49.020 --> 01:10:52.500
It's the bit where Devil says, destroy that DJ.

1381
01:10:52.560 --> 01:10:53.760
Okay.

1382
01:10:53.760 --> 01:11:00.720
Both of them actually work. which is not that usual for a four-part Colin Baker story, is it?

1383
01:11:00.779 --> 01:11:02.100
Well, not in season 22.

1384
01:11:02.279 --> 01:11:03.060
That's horrible.

1385
01:11:03.119 --> 01:11:04.500
Look at the big bruise on her face.

1386
01:11:05.760 --> 01:11:20.760
We didn't comment on the bit where Grigory says I'm a doctor and I'll recognise it's the awful thing that Richard talked about earlier when they cut me open and things start plopping out, I'll recognise the function of every, you know, major organ and stuff.

1387
01:11:20.819 --> 01:11:21.960
I think, really?

1388
01:11:22.020 --> 01:11:23.460
No, no, no, no, no, no.

1389
01:11:23.520 --> 01:11:25.439
That's a revelation.

1390
01:11:25.500 --> 01:11:29.159
You know, despite that, and despite the death by syringe and all of that.

1391
01:11:29.220 --> 01:11:31.619
I do think this is a strong season.

1392
01:11:31.680 --> 01:11:33.479
Stronger than some of the ones around it.

1393
01:11:36.539 --> 01:11:37.739
I've got a question.

1394
01:11:37.800 --> 01:11:38.819
How about you?

1395
01:11:38.819 --> 01:11:40.199
I don't think, Glastonic.

1396
01:11:40.260 --> 01:11:50.399
Is the problem for critics at the time was, Saber's writing was not strong enough, comedically or drily, he, in fact, he's not an even watch.

1397
01:11:50.460 --> 01:11:52.800
So it isn't necessarily fun.

1398
01:11:52.859 --> 01:11:56.939
And that's the F factor that I wanted to ask you, but you will today.

1399
01:11:57.659 --> 01:12:00.840
It seems a good moment as any to ask you.

1400
01:12:00.899 --> 01:12:01.260
Is this fun?

1401
01:12:01.319 --> 01:12:12.840
I think that this, I think that the performances and the direction are good enough to kind of paper over that and say what's not good, but he's not, he's not super terrible.

1402
01:12:12.899 --> 01:12:13.979
There are some good moments.

1403
01:12:14.100 --> 01:12:14.699
Yeah, yeah.

1404
01:12:14.760 --> 01:12:16.560
Yeah, he's, but I...

1405
01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:17.699
I'm just talking about dialogue right now.

1406
01:12:17.760 --> 01:12:22.260
Yeah, his dialogue isn't good, but no, people are doing their best to save it.

1407
01:12:22.319 --> 01:12:23.699
And there are some funny jokes here.

1408
01:12:23.760 --> 01:12:25.439
I think Kara's stuff is really funny.

1409
01:12:25.500 --> 01:12:27.539
You know, like...

1410
01:12:27.600 --> 01:12:44.399
Yeah, I just, I guess I think that, that it stopped being, um, a family show and it, so it's the thing that, you know, your mum and dad aren't going to sit and watch with you because they, they'll think it's too gross and off-putting.

1411
01:12:44.939 --> 01:12:50.039
And, you know, Doctor Who is always a bit like that, I guess, but this is just it turned up to 11.

1412
01:12:50.220 --> 01:12:54.180
Well, I think this would have been quite fun if it had been an isolated instance.

1413
01:12:54.239 --> 01:12:59.699
If you'd had like a black humour, gruesome story in a season that wasn't all black humour.

1414
01:12:59.760 --> 01:13:03.659
Whereas it just feels like it's crystallising everything rather than being a fun aberration.

1415
01:13:03.779 --> 01:13:09.180
Look, I mean, I don't like, I don't dislike things being black and I really like black humour and stuff.

1416
01:13:09.239 --> 01:13:10.260
I just don't think this is very good.

1417
01:13:10.319 --> 01:13:11.279
Black humour is the problem.

1418
01:13:11.340 --> 01:13:23.399
And also the inverse of what you were saying, where the directors bringing a lot to it is the 2 doctors, where you have actually a pretty decent script, but the director's not bringing anything to it. just left to stand or fall by itself.

1419
01:13:23.460 --> 01:13:26.220
This shot here of Dove Ross flying.

1420
01:13:26.279 --> 01:13:28.979
I always got confused by as a kid, I couldn't quite work out what was happening.

1421
01:13:29.039 --> 01:13:34.079
It's going a little bit beyond what the show can actually achieve at this point.

1422
01:13:34.140 --> 01:13:36.779
So there's all these elements, kind of mattered onto each other.

1423
01:13:36.840 --> 01:13:38.220
It just looks like a giant mess.

1424
01:13:38.340 --> 01:13:40.859
Do you know, I've seen... the DVD?

1425
01:13:40.979 --> 01:13:44.699
I've seen a version of this story where Davros is not hovering in the air there.

1426
01:13:44.760 --> 01:13:47.819
He's hovering at the top of the stairs and that's the shop.

1427
01:13:47.880 --> 01:13:51.539
He's not hovering. at the top of the stairs and speaking down to Orsini.

1428
01:13:51.600 --> 01:13:53.399
So I wonder if they just thought that didn't work.

1429
01:13:53.460 --> 01:13:56.460
They've taken Davros from that and plopped him over the top.

1430
01:13:56.520 --> 01:13:57.180
I don't know.

1431
01:13:57.359 --> 01:14:01.020
But he was talking from the top of the stairs in the previous shots.

1432
01:14:01.079 --> 01:14:02.699
Yeah, doesn't quite work.

1433
01:14:02.819 --> 01:14:04.619
And I can't work out what's happening here.

1434
01:14:04.680 --> 01:14:06.000
Is that a giant dalek now?

1435
01:14:06.060 --> 01:14:06.779
What's happening?

1436
01:14:06.840 --> 01:14:09.000
No, it's just the composite shot.

1437
01:14:09.000 --> 01:14:09.779
It's related to death.

1438
01:14:10.079 --> 01:14:18.420
It was supposed to be hovering above them and shooting down on the bit because of the limitations of the production. couldn't make it work.

1439
01:14:18.479 --> 01:14:23.039
It just goes to show how completely dispensable those characters worth.

1440
01:14:23.100 --> 01:14:26.579
Or they do is chew up runtime.

1441
01:14:27.119 --> 01:14:35.939
I mean, I guess what they make the discovery of what's going, what's happening with the uh, with the people who are in tranquil repose.

1442
01:14:36.060 --> 01:14:36.479
I don't know.

1443
01:14:36.539 --> 01:14:46.920
Well, as with so many say word characters, they're decent enough by themselves, but once they've finished playing whatever role they have in the story, he just, yeah, just dispose of them instantly, they never get a good ending.

1444
01:14:50.220 --> 01:14:53.819
It's nice that she's sort of been brought into the main action here.

1445
01:14:57.779 --> 01:15:00.180
I love her delivery.

1446
01:15:00.899 --> 01:15:06.899
Her great big bomb, like...

1447
01:15:06.960 --> 01:15:07.680
You fool.

1448
01:15:07.800 --> 01:15:08.460
It a bomb.

1449
01:15:08.520 --> 01:15:09.840
It's a great big bomb.

1450
01:15:09.899 --> 01:15:11.100
Oh, both die.

1451
01:15:11.159 --> 01:15:11.939
You before me.

1452
01:15:12.000 --> 01:15:12.779
It's so good.

1453
01:15:16.199 --> 01:15:18.779
She is just tremendous.

1454
01:15:20.520 --> 01:15:24.060
Is this her audition piece for Patsy's mother?

1455
01:15:24.119 --> 01:15:25.020
Pretty much.

1456
01:15:25.260 --> 01:15:30.300
Get the impression that Eleanor Braun was always slightly too good for anything she was ever in.

1457
01:15:30.359 --> 01:15:44.100
You remember our 1st gigs were on David Frost with, that is the week that was when she was, well, because she'd been hanging around with Clees and Chapman and the other lads.

1458
01:15:44.159 --> 01:15:48.180
And she was there as one of the writers and one of the performers right from the early days.

1459
01:15:48.600 --> 01:15:51.239
I remember her being in bedazzled.

1460
01:15:51.840 --> 01:15:53.579
Oh, yes.

1461
01:15:53.760 --> 01:15:55.319
Here we go.

1462
01:15:55.380 --> 01:15:55.979
It's bomb.

1463
01:15:56.039 --> 01:15:57.060
It's a bomb.

1464
01:15:57.600 --> 01:16:02.520
And she just... she turns to him.

1465
01:16:02.699 --> 01:16:05.279
She's so good.

1466
01:16:05.399 --> 01:16:06.000
Look at this.

1467
01:16:06.060 --> 01:16:12.119
And you see, even, even that terrible, say witty and dialogue she manages as well.

1468
01:16:12.359 --> 01:16:14.699
Ah, that's a revelation.

1469
01:16:14.760 --> 01:16:15.180
All of it.

1470
01:16:15.239 --> 01:16:18.300
The way she, he sort of stabs her under the breast.

1471
01:16:18.420 --> 01:16:19.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1472
01:16:19.680 --> 01:16:22.680
That's where Leila was taught to strike underneath the breastbone.

1473
01:16:22.739 --> 01:16:24.359
It's just...

1474
01:16:24.359 --> 01:16:29.399
So you know where Seward got the name of her character from?

1475
01:16:29.460 --> 01:16:34.979
A local potato in Rhodes when he was...

1476
01:16:34.979 --> 01:16:36.060
What, the car potato?

1477
01:16:36.119 --> 01:16:37.380
Yeah, the cara potato.

1478
01:16:37.439 --> 01:16:41.819
I thought he'd watched episode 5 of the Keys of Marinace and said, oh, I must name a character Kara.

1479
01:16:43.319 --> 01:16:49.020
And the name Tasmanbika is named for the saint of barren women.

1480
01:16:49.079 --> 01:16:51.119
Oh, it does sound like a great name, actually.

1481
01:16:51.180 --> 01:16:52.859
This is amazing.

1482
01:16:52.920 --> 01:16:54.659
Dalek's being blown up by rock and roll.

1483
01:16:54.720 --> 01:17:01.439
Can you imagine if they'd gone the whole hog and had sort of ticket to ride or something being played in the background, taking it all the way back to the beginning?

1484
01:17:01.500 --> 01:17:03.420
They could never have afforded it.

1485
01:17:03.479 --> 01:17:05.460
Is that the same specific gyrating in the background?

1486
01:17:06.119 --> 01:17:08.100
inspired on thing?

1487
01:17:08.100 --> 01:17:10.319
It's not a great death by him.

1488
01:17:10.380 --> 01:17:12.420
I would have liked Grandmaster Flash.

1489
01:17:13.680 --> 01:17:17.039
Just for the whole month. murdered him.

1490
01:17:17.100 --> 01:17:18.899
Yeah, Colin?

1491
01:17:18.960 --> 01:17:22.859
Yeah, it's nice to see that Colin is not the progenitor of violence in this one.

1492
01:17:23.279 --> 01:17:26.159
But, I mean, that's the same thing too.

1493
01:17:26.220 --> 01:17:29.579
He just, like in earlier on in this commentary.

1494
01:17:29.640 --> 01:17:34.319
I said the doctor comes in and breaks it all, but in fact, does he make any difference to the actual outcome?

1495
01:17:34.619 --> 01:17:36.239
What has he done?

1496
01:17:36.300 --> 01:17:39.180
She's kind of wandered around in the world, hasn't he?

1497
01:17:39.239 --> 01:17:39.779
Yeah.

1498
01:17:39.840 --> 01:17:41.279
The Daleks are doing it.

1499
01:17:41.340 --> 01:17:44.880
It's the Daleks turn up and...

1500
01:17:44.939 --> 01:17:45.359
Yeah, yeah.

1501
01:17:45.420 --> 01:17:51.600
But then that was a criticism of the early RTD years as well, that the doctor didn't instigate action.

1502
01:17:51.659 --> 01:17:57.479
But remember that he inspires people to instigate action, and I think that's a strong choice.

1503
01:17:57.539 --> 01:17:58.560
Yeah that's true.

1504
01:17:58.619 --> 01:18:02.939
Is why is that why this almost feels like a late Billy story to me, almost?

1505
01:18:03.000 --> 01:18:09.119
Not in the incidental action, but in the setup and the, yeah, no, there's only one.

1506
01:18:10.020 --> 01:18:14.520
Yeah, no, obviously not.

1507
01:18:14.579 --> 01:18:22.739
But then if you look at the motivations of the characters and the behaviour between them, yeah, the Hartnell was always just just keeping back and letting them shoot it out.

1508
01:18:22.800 --> 01:18:24.119
Yeah, he doesn't.

1509
01:18:24.180 --> 01:18:37.619
I mean, Hartnell doesn't become the doctor, really, that the same in the sense that he's the sort of major male lead hero of the show, you know, so he does wander through the world and just try and get out of it alone.

1510
01:18:37.680 --> 01:18:41.819
Is your carping granny on the settee as they're sitting in the corner because she still owns the house.

1511
01:18:44.220 --> 01:18:48.539
It's a shame the doctor doesn't get to talk to Kara.

1512
01:18:48.899 --> 01:18:51.000
Do you know what I like?

1513
01:18:51.060 --> 01:18:54.539
I like the way that Davros is shot completely differently.

1514
01:18:54.720 --> 01:19:02.460
Like, he looks, you know, never for a 2nd did you think that Davros in the Perspex tube wasn't Davros?

1515
01:19:02.520 --> 01:19:03.539
was clearly Davros.

1516
01:19:03.600 --> 01:19:08.399
But then when you actually see him and his shot from below, And the performance is slightly different.

1517
01:19:08.460 --> 01:19:12.000
You kind of think, actually, no, no, how can I have possibly thought that was Davros?

1518
01:19:12.060 --> 01:19:13.199
This is really Dave Ross.

1519
01:19:14.520 --> 01:19:16.800
Are we going to shoot his fingers off now?

1520
01:19:17.819 --> 01:19:19.319
Not yet.

1521
01:19:20.819 --> 01:19:23.100
Everything's blocked so well.

1522
01:19:23.159 --> 01:19:24.720
You can follow the action brilliantly.

1523
01:19:25.439 --> 01:19:27.180
Yeah, yeah.

1524
01:19:27.239 --> 01:19:28.199
Oh look.

1525
01:19:28.260 --> 01:19:31.619
I'm just excited to be back down in Iron Gron cellar.

1526
01:19:32.520 --> 01:19:36.119
With exactly the same props from UFO Moonbase.

1527
01:19:36.180 --> 01:19:39.180
Make the serving wench playing Davros in the tank.

1528
01:19:39.420 --> 01:19:42.000
Lusty enough they are on that.

1529
01:19:46.020 --> 01:19:50.699
They really are the props from they are bosses old bits and put bulbs there.

1530
01:19:50.760 --> 01:19:52.020
So we have ancient in the background.

1531
01:19:52.079 --> 01:19:53.159
Yeah, the Greek statue.

1532
01:19:53.220 --> 01:19:53.760
What's that doing?

1533
01:19:53.760 --> 01:19:54.720
Art?

1534
01:19:55.020 --> 01:19:57.539
But don't you think these sets look amazing?

1535
01:19:57.600 --> 01:20:00.479
Oh, yeah. look like they've had a ton of money thrown at them.

1536
01:20:00.539 --> 01:20:00.899
Yeah.

1537
01:20:02.100 --> 01:20:06.840
Do they who's that you get a different designer for each story, don't you?

1538
01:20:06.899 --> 01:20:07.439
Yes.

1539
01:20:07.500 --> 01:20:09.239
This is Roger.

1540
01:20:09.359 --> 01:20:10.800
I can't remember.

1541
01:20:10.859 --> 01:20:11.399
Right, okay.

1542
01:20:11.460 --> 01:20:12.720
Roger somebody.

1543
01:20:15.840 --> 01:20:16.979
Ah, delicious people.

1544
01:20:21.420 --> 01:20:23.939
I think the mask is good as well.

1545
01:20:24.000 --> 01:20:27.720
I do think, you know, just technically it's better than Michael Wishes Mask.

1546
01:20:27.840 --> 01:20:36.180
We're only getting this writing because Britain starved, almost starved during the war and didn't lose rationing until what, 54?

1547
01:20:37.500 --> 01:20:38.220
Well, into the 50s.

1548
01:20:38.279 --> 01:20:39.899
Yeah, I think it was 54.

1549
01:20:40.140 --> 01:20:46.140
We were only we were only about 4 or 5 years before that, but we never went through the deprivations that they did.

1550
01:20:46.199 --> 01:20:59.880
So, and the real consciousness that we are paying the victors to not start another war, and that's why we don't have an aerospace industry, and that's why my pick of the week, by the way. we doing pick of the week?

1551
01:20:59.939 --> 01:21:00.239
Why?

1552
01:21:00.300 --> 01:21:09.779
It's something that James has lent me, which is summer of rockets with Toby Stevens, whom we own, as his young Maggie Smith's son and Keely Hawes.

1553
01:21:09.840 --> 01:21:15.239
And it's about the late 50s and British rocket tournamentary and how they were leading the world.

1554
01:21:15.300 --> 01:21:17.579
But it's done as a soap. really lovely.

1555
01:21:17.640 --> 01:21:19.079
It's elegant and gorgeous.

1556
01:21:19.140 --> 01:21:28.920
But no, the sense of Britain had lived through what, in effect, was the effects of a civil war again, without actually finding it on their own soil.

1557
01:21:28.979 --> 01:21:36.239
But the V2, the fact they saw Von Braun taking the Americans to space, the same man who launched the V2s on them.

1558
01:21:36.300 --> 01:21:38.340
That anger is still here.

1559
01:21:38.399 --> 01:21:49.020
I'm actually surprised that it took so long for Doctor Who to be this when this is the British consciousness of the working people who are, you know, lived through this stuff.

1560
01:21:49.140 --> 01:21:50.159
This should look very familiar.

1561
01:21:50.220 --> 01:21:50.819
Yeah.

1562
01:21:50.819 --> 01:21:52.260
I love this.

1563
01:21:52.260 --> 01:21:58.079
The doctor, you know, said to Perry, I'm sorry about the DJ and...

1564
01:21:58.079 --> 01:22:00.960
Yeah, that's actually quite a nice little moment for him.

1565
01:22:01.020 --> 01:22:01.680
Sorry.

1566
01:22:01.739 --> 01:22:03.779
But there is is is Davros Thatcher?

1567
01:22:03.840 --> 01:22:05.399
I'm just putting it out there.

1568
01:22:05.460 --> 01:22:07.439
And now...

1569
01:22:08.699 --> 01:22:12.180
Yeah, again, I think this is unnecessarily gross as well.

1570
01:22:12.840 --> 01:22:14.460
Like that.

1571
01:22:14.520 --> 01:22:15.960
Oh no, that's great.

1572
01:22:17.460 --> 01:22:19.500
That's a revelation.

1573
01:22:20.939 --> 01:22:22.739
Action from the doctor.

1574
01:22:22.800 --> 01:22:23.399
Oh, no.

1575
01:22:23.460 --> 01:22:25.319
Those guards were actually on point.

1576
01:22:25.380 --> 01:22:26.520
They're on the doctor, right?

1577
01:22:26.579 --> 01:22:27.359
Yeah.

1578
01:22:27.359 --> 01:22:29.039
Oh, on the bits.

1579
01:22:29.399 --> 01:22:31.319
Oh, chompy, chompy finger boots.

1580
01:22:31.380 --> 01:22:34.079
I'm glad that we've kept that too.

1581
01:22:34.140 --> 01:22:37.319
So Julian Bleach has a robot hand.

1582
01:22:37.380 --> 01:22:38.279
It does, doesn't it?

1583
01:22:38.340 --> 01:22:40.920
He's the Luke Skywalker of new series.

1584
01:22:41.039 --> 01:22:42.779
Look at these cheap and tatty models.

1585
01:22:42.840 --> 01:22:44.460
I think they're beautiful.

1586
01:22:44.520 --> 01:22:45.359
Are you right?

1587
01:22:45.420 --> 01:22:48.659
I do love that one that has the little sort of rod.

1588
01:22:48.720 --> 01:22:51.840
Why are they picking the fingers up and putting them in an esky?

1589
01:22:51.899 --> 01:22:52.800
No arm in trying.

1590
01:22:52.859 --> 01:22:54.420
Why does Davros have green blood?

1591
01:22:54.539 --> 01:22:55.979
Oh interesting.

1592
01:22:56.039 --> 01:22:59.399
Because there's more copper in it or he's a Spock fan.

1593
01:22:59.460 --> 01:23:02.399
Yes, he's a he's just cosplaying.

1594
01:23:02.460 --> 01:23:03.899
Do you mean, oh, no, Khalid's had red blood.

1595
01:23:03.960 --> 01:23:05.100
We've seen it, yeah.

1596
01:23:05.159 --> 01:23:08.399
Oh, lots of exterminations, but they can't really fire.

1597
01:23:08.460 --> 01:23:13.739
Well, I was just thinking that the suffusions of copper sulphates are put through for whatever reason.

1598
01:23:14.399 --> 01:23:19.319
By the magic of the internet, James, just informed me, the designer on this is Alan Spalding.

1599
01:23:19.380 --> 01:23:20.159
Oh okay.

1600
01:23:20.220 --> 01:23:21.180
There you go.

1601
01:23:21.300 --> 01:23:25.380
Well, he did that marvellous line in tennis accoutrements, of course.

1602
01:23:32.039 --> 01:23:33.960
Oh, dear.

1603
01:23:34.979 --> 01:23:41.220
That's why all of Dar Ross's tennis balls are sprayed chrome.

1604
01:23:42.359 --> 01:23:45.300
You're lucky with the new Dalek colour scheme.

1605
01:23:45.359 --> 01:23:46.500
They won't sort of neon green.

1606
01:23:49.680 --> 01:23:56.460
I wonder what else Sable or JNT had wanted to do with the Dartex, because you know he would have wanted a rainbow darlic.

1607
01:23:56.520 --> 01:23:58.140
It would have been out there.

1608
01:23:58.199 --> 01:24:03.239
Give me, this is probably just the production team going, I think we'll just go this far, John.

1609
01:24:03.300 --> 01:24:03.899
I think this...

1610
01:24:04.020 --> 01:24:05.100
You know, that rings a bell.

1611
01:24:05.159 --> 01:24:08.460
I think they were planning on having multicoloured Daleks for remembrance.

1612
01:24:08.819 --> 01:24:12.180
Ah, like in the, like in the movies.

1613
01:24:12.239 --> 01:24:15.060
Like in the fabulous victory of the dialect.

1614
01:24:15.119 --> 01:24:15.840
Oh, God.

1615
01:24:15.899 --> 01:24:17.340
I love those.

1616
01:24:17.399 --> 01:24:22.020
They look like all, they know, they look like all of the ice lolly ads from the 60s again.

1617
01:24:22.140 --> 01:24:23.520
It's a lovely TV 21 thing.

1618
01:24:23.640 --> 01:24:26.159
They've got such big asses, though.

1619
01:24:26.340 --> 01:24:29.039
It's the colour of baked bin sauce.

1620
01:24:29.100 --> 01:24:30.060
Yum, yum.

1621
01:24:30.119 --> 01:24:30.600
I love this.

1622
01:24:30.659 --> 01:24:33.000
Davos is trying all that he can.

1623
01:24:34.020 --> 01:24:37.140
This is a very long demo, isn't it?

1624
01:24:37.199 --> 01:24:40.619
Yeah, really extinct. waiting for you and yes.

1625
01:24:41.399 --> 01:24:43.020
I love that.

1626
01:24:43.079 --> 01:24:43.380
Wow.

1627
01:24:43.380 --> 01:24:44.880
I love that Davros goes.

1628
01:24:44.939 --> 01:24:45.779
Oh that's right.

1629
01:24:45.840 --> 01:24:48.720
I'm not getting the logic of why the doctor is still alive.

1630
01:24:49.020 --> 01:24:51.000
He's the star of the show.

1631
01:24:51.060 --> 01:24:54.060
Hang on, but why has Davros not found?

1632
01:24:54.060 --> 01:24:56.880
But also, do these Daleks realise it's the dog?

1633
01:24:56.939 --> 01:24:57.720
No they don't recognise it.

1634
01:24:57.779 --> 01:25:00.000
No, they just said that it doesn't look like the doctor, yeah.

1635
01:25:00.420 --> 01:25:03.180
Although Patrick Troughton looked like the doctor.

1636
01:25:03.359 --> 01:25:05.460
Yes, they recognised.

1637
01:25:05.520 --> 01:25:07.680
Oh, they had a sneaking suspicion, didn't they?

1638
01:25:07.739 --> 01:25:10.920
It's an electric moment when they realise who he is.

1639
01:25:10.979 --> 01:25:15.420
I guess, you know, if you want to be geeky about it, it depends on the dalek timeline, doesn't it?

1640
01:25:15.479 --> 01:25:18.300
This clearly comes after resurrection, whereas who knows where that comes.

1641
01:25:18.359 --> 01:25:19.560
Okay.

1642
01:25:19.619 --> 01:25:20.279
All right.

1643
01:25:20.340 --> 01:25:21.600
I'll go with that.

1644
01:25:21.659 --> 01:25:24.840
Even though I never, never, never like those explanations ever.

1645
01:25:28.439 --> 01:25:38.159
Since Daleks have time travel, which at some point is rudimentary and nasty and at other points is really precise, I guess it just depends.

1646
01:25:38.220 --> 01:25:40.680
Yeah. how they fiddle with their own timeline.

1647
01:25:40.739 --> 01:25:45.539
Well, they just nipped out of the DARDIS and...

1648
01:25:45.600 --> 01:25:47.159
Yeah, not that time machine.

1649
01:25:47.220 --> 01:25:47.939
The chase is called.

1650
01:25:48.000 --> 01:25:48.779
Really?

1651
01:25:48.779 --> 01:25:50.039
That's a revelation.

1652
01:25:50.100 --> 01:25:52.199
Yeah, Daleks and relative dimension in space.

1653
01:25:53.939 --> 01:25:58.979
No, really. doesn't say that. doesn't Susan say that she made up?

1654
01:25:58.979 --> 01:26:00.060
she made that up?

1655
01:26:00.119 --> 01:26:03.359
No, but she was a 5th columnist all the time, wasn't she?

1656
01:26:03.420 --> 01:26:05.399
She made up the name.

1657
01:26:05.520 --> 01:26:09.479
Yeah, she made her time relative dimension space from the initials.

1658
01:26:09.539 --> 01:26:11.579
So it was called a TARDIS and then she worked out what it was.

1659
01:26:11.640 --> 01:26:12.899
Oh, okay.

1660
01:26:12.960 --> 01:26:13.739
I thought it was the other way around.

1661
01:26:13.800 --> 01:26:16.739
I thought if you meant mean capsule.

1662
01:26:16.800 --> 01:26:18.479
Why not say?

1663
01:26:18.539 --> 01:26:19.319
No, but in the dialogue.

1664
01:26:19.380 --> 01:26:20.039
Yeah.

1665
01:26:20.100 --> 01:26:23.760
It's confusing dialogue.

1666
01:26:23.760 --> 01:26:27.479
She says, I made up the name from the, yeah, it is confusing dialogue.

1667
01:26:27.539 --> 01:26:30.359
You could actually...

1668
01:26:30.359 --> 01:26:32.399
Just possible that they were making it up as they went along.

1669
01:26:32.460 --> 01:26:33.600
No.

1670
01:26:33.659 --> 01:26:34.260
Yeah.

1671
01:26:34.800 --> 01:26:36.899
It's very convenient.

1672
01:26:36.960 --> 01:26:38.699
That's the revelation.

1673
01:26:38.760 --> 01:26:40.500
So it's been ceded.

1674
01:26:40.560 --> 01:26:41.939
Thank you.

1675
01:26:42.000 --> 01:26:44.460
In episode one, deliberately.

1676
01:26:45.300 --> 01:26:47.399
I would like to explude it.

1677
01:26:50.460 --> 01:26:55.079
Todd, can you come out with that at some point and say, I have a bomb and I would like to explode it.

1678
01:26:56.699 --> 01:27:00.180
A great I just don't understand why they're all still alive.

1679
01:27:00.779 --> 01:27:05.340
Is that the ennui, that the rest of the week?

1680
01:27:08.460 --> 01:27:09.000
What do you mean?

1681
01:27:09.060 --> 01:27:10.380
Why are they still making this?

1682
01:27:10.439 --> 01:27:11.279
Well, yeah.

1683
01:27:11.279 --> 01:27:13.979
Well, that's what we're told to think now?

1684
01:27:14.039 --> 01:27:19.439
And that's what we were being told was the response we should be having then.

1685
01:27:19.500 --> 01:27:26.699
We saw that the cancellation, but I just think it was too rapid a change is what you were saying, Peter, too rapid a change too soon.

1686
01:27:26.760 --> 01:27:28.800
But I don't know that it's actually ineffectual.

1687
01:27:28.859 --> 01:27:31.140
And I really like the political commentary of it now.

1688
01:27:31.260 --> 01:27:32.640
Yeah it's angry.

1689
01:27:32.699 --> 01:27:33.899
It's super, super angry.

1690
01:27:33.960 --> 01:27:35.520
It's very mid- 80s.

1691
01:27:35.579 --> 01:27:41.460
It feels the absolute rightest piece of casting or season is putting Alexi say all right in the middle of this.

1692
01:27:41.520 --> 01:27:53.760
It was one of the angriest and most literate comics of his time and would just talk about all the things that are going wrong and all the rights and services that have been pulled away from the British people.

1693
01:27:53.819 --> 01:28:00.840
And the fact you're not, you're reading about it because Murdoch owns the sun and the star and you're just, you're going to look at it now.

1694
01:28:00.899 --> 01:28:02.760
Yeah, same difference.

1695
01:28:03.840 --> 01:28:07.920
They elect whole governments. control the world.

1696
01:28:08.039 --> 01:28:10.560
This is very confident, this story.

1697
01:28:10.619 --> 01:28:12.539
It doesn't feel like series that's faltering.

1698
01:28:12.600 --> 01:28:13.140
No.

1699
01:28:14.520 --> 01:28:23.100
I think that rapid change is is it's a focal point that the BBC can use as an excuse.

1700
01:28:23.460 --> 01:28:25.439
A focal point for the assassin's bullet.

1701
01:28:25.500 --> 01:28:28.920
But, you know, always become too dark and violent.

1702
01:28:28.979 --> 01:28:30.720
Let's rest it and rethink it.

1703
01:28:30.779 --> 01:28:32.039
That's just an excuse.

1704
01:28:32.100 --> 01:28:33.479
They've been wanting to cancel it for years.

1705
01:28:33.539 --> 01:28:38.699
If they thought it was too dark and violent, where was the head of drama reading all the scripts saying this is too dark and violent?

1706
01:28:38.760 --> 01:28:39.960
Exactly. just an excuse.

1707
01:28:40.020 --> 01:28:40.500
Yeah.

1708
01:28:40.560 --> 01:28:44.640
Well, I thought that they wanted to save money for breakfast TV or something.

1709
01:28:44.699 --> 01:28:45.600
And EastEnders.

1710
01:28:45.659 --> 01:28:46.560
He's dangerous.

1711
01:28:46.619 --> 01:28:49.079
They needed the budget for a new twice weekly.

1712
01:28:49.140 --> 01:28:50.340
Super series.

1713
01:28:50.399 --> 01:28:52.199
But this was making money, wasn't it?

1714
01:28:52.260 --> 01:28:55.140
It was an extremely short-sighted decision.

1715
01:28:55.199 --> 01:28:58.680
It was simply that a few of them. wasn't Yentov, was it?

1716
01:28:58.739 --> 01:28:59.340
We know it was great.

1717
01:28:59.399 --> 01:29:00.659
No, it was great.

1718
01:29:00.720 --> 01:29:08.880
There's talk that the 1st mess grade had to clear up when he became controller was to report on his desk that said Warriors of the Deep was unfit for transmission.

1719
01:29:08.939 --> 01:29:11.039
And that sort of focussed his attention.

1720
01:29:11.159 --> 01:29:12.180
Was it?

1721
01:29:12.479 --> 01:29:13.979
Who knows?

1722
01:29:14.039 --> 01:29:14.760
Have you seen it?

1723
01:29:14.819 --> 01:29:15.899
I love it.

1724
01:29:15.960 --> 01:29:26.760
I actually quite like it as well, but there are those scenes where it's clearly a rehearsal, you know, like Janet Fielding thinks she's doing an in camera run through, which ends up getting put to end.

1725
01:29:26.819 --> 01:29:27.479
Which is true.

1726
01:29:27.539 --> 01:29:28.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1727
01:29:28.439 --> 01:29:32.279
And, you know, green paint all over the set because the merker hasn't had the chance to dry.

1728
01:29:32.340 --> 01:29:34.020
Oh, and the murker.

1729
01:29:37.079 --> 01:29:40.079
The name for a certain type of wig.

1730
01:29:40.140 --> 01:29:41.159
No, that's Merkin.

1731
01:29:41.220 --> 01:29:42.539
It's marvellous model work.

1732
01:29:43.619 --> 01:29:46.920
Everything about this story looks like it's had money thrown at it.

1733
01:29:46.979 --> 01:29:47.819
Yeah.

1734
01:29:48.300 --> 01:29:52.800
Yeah, I mean, it doesn't, if there was any justice, one of those 2 would have been killed.

1735
01:29:52.920 --> 01:29:55.680
Yeah, but I think that's part of the thing too.

1736
01:29:55.739 --> 01:29:58.439
Don't you think that, that, you know.

1737
01:29:58.500 --> 01:29:59.579
Yes, I do.

1738
01:29:59.640 --> 01:30:06.000
Yeah. that this is the best we can hope for is people who are terribly morally compromised, kind of survive, I guess.

1739
01:30:06.119 --> 01:30:09.239
But kind of good at their jobs and so might get the police back on its feet.

1740
01:30:09.300 --> 01:30:10.380
Yeah.

1741
01:30:10.439 --> 01:30:12.300
We don't really care though, to be honest.

1742
01:30:12.479 --> 01:30:14.939
Well, it is feeding the galaxy.

1743
01:30:15.000 --> 01:30:15.720
Yeah.

1744
01:30:15.779 --> 01:30:16.260
Yeah.

1745
01:30:16.319 --> 01:30:18.300
Better be a galaxy.

1746
01:30:18.359 --> 01:30:19.500
It's all word peril, isn't it?

1747
01:30:20.220 --> 01:30:23.939
Now, where do we think the doctor is going to take her?

1748
01:30:24.000 --> 01:30:26.220
I would plump for bezing, Stoke?

1749
01:30:26.279 --> 01:30:28.920
Basingstoke, the planet Barcelona?

1750
01:30:28.920 --> 01:30:30.779
and Draculus one five?

1751
01:30:33.840 --> 01:30:36.180
Yeah, it's a bit cramped on pantro.

1752
01:30:36.239 --> 01:30:37.619
Why is that?

1753
01:30:37.680 --> 01:30:39.300
Why did they actually have to cut this?

1754
01:30:39.359 --> 01:30:40.439
Brisbane?

1755
01:30:41.520 --> 01:30:44.520
And that's a revelation we'll never actually know.

1756
01:30:44.579 --> 01:30:45.300
Why did they do that?

1757
01:30:45.659 --> 01:30:49.439
Because he actually had said Blackpool, which is the next story.

1758
01:30:49.560 --> 01:30:52.979
Yeah, but you don't have to have that being the next story, just having a nice...

1759
01:30:53.100 --> 01:30:56.340
Right, but I think J&T made the decision that to freeze frame it on there.

1760
01:30:56.399 --> 01:30:58.319
You don't know where they're going to be.

1761
01:30:58.380 --> 01:31:00.300
They've got, you know, they don't know where they're going.

1762
01:31:00.359 --> 01:31:01.859
And I actually think it's highly effective.

1763
01:31:01.920 --> 01:31:03.060
It's one, I think it's great.

1764
01:31:03.119 --> 01:31:05.699
Well, if he was going to see basiled and it's not that effective.

1765
01:31:05.760 --> 01:31:06.899
But we don't know.

1766
01:31:07.140 --> 01:31:09.180
I actually didn't.

1767
01:31:09.239 --> 01:31:12.359
I actually thought that that was an impressive cliffhanger at the time when I 1st saw it.

1768
01:31:12.420 --> 01:31:13.260
I thought it was great.

1769
01:31:13.319 --> 01:31:16.619
It was better than about half we'd had this season watching in Australia.

1770
01:31:16.680 --> 01:31:17.460
That's it.

1771
01:31:17.579 --> 01:31:20.579
It's not quite the Florana speech, but...

1772
01:31:20.579 --> 01:31:22.140
You know the word Blackpool doesn't exist anymore.

1773
01:31:22.199 --> 01:31:23.279
Really?

1774
01:31:23.340 --> 01:31:24.239
What?

1775
01:31:24.239 --> 01:31:27.659
It ended up on the cutting room floor and they've lost the footage.

1776
01:31:30.720 --> 01:31:32.039
Oh shit, the place.

1777
01:31:32.100 --> 01:31:33.840
Yeah, yeah, that's it.

1778
01:31:33.899 --> 01:31:35.340
I thought of having a revival.

1779
01:31:35.399 --> 01:31:36.000
What are you saying?

1780
01:31:36.060 --> 01:31:38.340
So it was Pat Godfrey for this one as well.

1781
01:31:38.340 --> 01:31:42.600
And of course, Pat had designed...

1782
01:31:42.659 --> 01:31:43.680
Yes, Bongan.

1783
01:31:43.739 --> 01:31:45.539
What a marvellous story that was.

1784
01:31:45.600 --> 01:31:47.579
I agree. enjoyed it.

1785
01:31:47.640 --> 01:31:50.520
Well done, the 45% of you who voted for it.

1786
01:31:50.579 --> 01:31:51.359
It was a good choice.

1787
01:31:51.420 --> 01:31:55.680
I chose terror of the vervoids, which I think is a fine choice as well.

1788
01:31:55.739 --> 01:31:56.880
And shorter.

1789
01:31:57.420 --> 01:31:59.880
I should eliminate on timelash.

1790
01:32:02.220 --> 01:32:03.119
I will like time watch too.

1791
01:32:03.180 --> 01:32:07.439
Oh, so do I, but Timelash fun. genuinely good in places.

1792
01:32:07.500 --> 01:32:10.079
In places and genuine.

1793
01:32:10.199 --> 01:32:12.239
That might be a revelation to many people.

1794
01:32:12.300 --> 01:32:13.380
Oh dear.

1795
01:32:13.380 --> 01:32:15.239
All right.

1796
01:32:16.920 --> 01:32:18.899
Did I miss something then?

1797
01:32:19.500 --> 01:32:21.659
No revelations here.

1798
01:32:22.680 --> 01:32:26.340
Well, dear listener, that's all we have time for this week.

1799
01:32:26.399 --> 01:32:33.720
We'll be back soon with a very special Christmas episode, and then back in September, probably, with our coverage of series 3.

1800
01:32:33.960 --> 01:32:43.020
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts and you can keep up with us at FlightthroughEntirety.com, flight through entirety on Facebook and at FTE podcast on Twitter.

1801
01:32:43.079 --> 01:32:56.880
You can also find our series 11 flashcast, Jody interterra, Jody interterra.com and at Jody interterra on Twitter at our James Bond commentary podcast bondfinger at bondfinger.com at bondfinger on Facebook and at bondfingercast on Twitter.

1802
01:32:56.939 --> 01:33:03.119
Until next time, after a lifetime of punching people and forcibly, let me try that again.

1803
01:33:03.779 --> 01:33:14.939
Until next time, after a life of punching people and forcibly pouring Voxnik down their throats, may you retire with no consequences and enjoy the life of a simple farmer.

1804
01:33:15.000 --> 01:33:16.380
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1805
01:33:16.439 --> 01:33:16.979
Good night.

1806
01:33:17.100 --> 01:33:17.880
See you soon.

1807
01:33:17.939 --> 01:33:18.420
Good night.

1808
01:33:18.479 --> 01:33:19.619
Good mincing.