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This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 14:22:46

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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flights for Entirety, the only Doctor Who commentary podcast which spent all of 2006 either hung over or scuba diving in Spain and ended up missing any number of alien invasions as a result.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm James.

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I'm Todd.

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I'm Peter.

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So this is Christmas in July for flight through entirety.

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We are actually recording this on the day that we release it, much like a late Trouton episode, as Peter observed earlier, before I started recording.

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So we are currently on the um, DVD screen or the Blu-ray screen for um, series 3.

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And we've got the Runaway Bride selected.

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So when I next say the code word, I want you to press play on your remote control.

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Nathan, what is the code word?

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So the code word for this episode is Neres.

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Yes, I wanted to be that.

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So the next time I say that, I want you to press play.

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This is just going to be one off for us this week.

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We will be back in September for the rest of series three.

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Okay.

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So, uh, I'm I'm about to press play Neres.

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And we're off.

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Oh my god, I've put Rose on by a mistake.

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All the Christmas invasion.

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All the Christmas invasion.

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We did that at the Christmas invasion too.

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It's a bit of a thing, isn't it?

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11th power?

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Uh, maybe.

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I can't remember.

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But it certainly is him relaunching the show.

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This is our 1st post, um, rose episode.

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Oh, there's a dad.

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Yeah, apparently much loved amongst the casting crew.

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So the story is that he did come back for series 4 and shot a bunch of scenes, but was so ill that they couldn't be used.

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He recorded everything for, what's that episode called?

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Partners in Crime.

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And died shortly shortly afterwards.

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And so they had to quickly recast him and we ended up with Bernard.

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Yeah, Sir Bernard, which is a pretty good thing.

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His lands?

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Good old land.

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Don Gillis?

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Chile, Chile?

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not sure.

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Okay.

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Who, of course, went on to be an EastEnders, um, and was a very big character.

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He was great in that.

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And there she goes.

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He's very pretty.

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I really like that we go back because now, now, you know, we get the exterior establishing shot and we're back in the very final scene of doomsday.

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But not actually the same recording.

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It's not the same take, but we do it.

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Because the lighting in this episode was done by different lighting supervisor, they actually reshot the scene.

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Like refilming a cliffhanger prize in the old days.

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Hooray.

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It's a cheat because he, that lighting supervisor liked to like the TARDIS in a slightly different way and that wouldn't, it didn't cut together properly, so they had to, they had to redo that scene.

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I quite like how the TARDIS looks different in different episodes, actually.

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Some people like to go. proper logo finally.

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Oh, yes, there we go.

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It looks the most impressive in Boomtown where they've let it strongly green for the sort of slithen undercurrents.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So Margaret's face is bathed in green, even when she's just, you know, a net and not a suit.

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Oh, she's shouting.

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She is shouting.

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The what?

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The what?

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Oh, dear.

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That's not even a proper word.

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Such a faint thing.

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Oh, you're listening to this episode.

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Yeah, our arse Lynn is good.

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We were pretty cross with him last year, I think, probably because he got a couple of duds.

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We were half cross with him.

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He got a couple of really good episodes too.

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Yeah, that is.

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Neres.

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And we know Neres already because it's just that person who is turning up her nose. in the wedding ceremony.

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That just has to be Neres.

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Well, and Neris comes back in the end of time.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Donna gathers everyone together and says photos with friends.

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Friends and Neres.

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She's made Neres be her bridesmaid this time and put her in something horrible.

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This is such a great choice and the music, I think, too.

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Like the music for this.

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Um, you know, really, really plays up the comedy.

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And I think you just have to do that because we straight out of the end of Doomsday.

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I mean, he was in Bad Wolf Bay projecting himself mere seconds before this opens, wasn't he?

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Yeah, and it's a bold call to go from something big like that and it's basically Doctor Who's 1st screwball comedy.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But you've got Catherine Tate, and so... right to the occasion.

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She's so good.

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And of course, she started this scene at 11.

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Um, and like at 11 out of 10, um, and then pulls it back slowly through the episode.

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And I think when she was announced as coming back, people who were not that comfortable with her casting thought that she might be at 11 all the time.

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Whereas actually they make some choices and make her into fully rounded character.

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I probably one of those people.

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Yeah.

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And so I just felt, yeah, she's talking a little bit, but she basically screams through the 1st 13 minutes of this until they're up on the roof.

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And at that point, I was just there going, who is this woman?

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Why?

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And then as they begin to have conversations and she begins to scale it back.

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I began to warm to her and well, I guess we'll get to that.

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But it's brilliant casting somebody well known in Britain.

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She just smacked him in the face. to deal with Billy Piper's departure to have this name in here. as such a contrast as well.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And, you know, there is a through line both for her and for him.

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Oh, there's roses top.

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So as it's originally scripted and shot.

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The doctor grabs the shirt off her and opens the tartar store and throws it out and they cut it in editing because it was too melodraumatic.

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David Tennant.

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Too melodramatic even for David Tennant.

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It's interesting, Harry downplays this.

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I lost her and it's all very.

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I quite like this too.

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Like he doesn't respond, but she kind of, she's, you know, she's doing proper acting.

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It isn't all just, you know, her doing a sketch comedy or anything.

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Even at this point, she's doing proper acting.

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And later on, she's going to be great.

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And that's, you know, it just makes her the perfect choice to play the companion.

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Yes, her mum.

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Oh my god, she's great.

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Jacqueline?

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Yeah, Jackie King.

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She's Doctor Who's legendary is Jackie's.

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Yeah, yeah, great.

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Yeah, Jackie Hill.

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Jackie Lane.

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Yeah, Jackie Tyler.

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She's just terrific.

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And she's so good instantly.

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And again, she comes back as a semi-regular and gets to do some proper acting as well.

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You know, this is not her 1st Doctor Who either.

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What?

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She was in a big finish.

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Oh, wow.

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I've heard you were going to say that she was a zombie.

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Everyone's been in big finishing.

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You made a few equity cards.

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Yes.

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She was in one of the unbound audios.

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The Derek Jacoby one.

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Oh, wow.

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Oh, just great.

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I was also in one of the unbound audios.

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Yeah.

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Sympathy for the devil. doing a terrible job.

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Did you get your acrupty card?

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Actually, David Tennant was in that one.

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So I met you, and this was before Doc 2, obviously.

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And so we just met in the green room and he was just, you know, regular guy, little didn't know what have waited him.

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Yeah, wow.

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Just having the doctor shout out Donna now that we've heard him do that so many times. over series 4.

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It's strange watching it in like like this with the knowledge that she'll be back.

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Of course, we were saying, you know, she goes on to become wonderful.

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Here's what you get when you cast a proper star in a companion role.

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She's meant to be a guest role here, and so she's got proper style building, but then she comes back as a regular, and, you know, there's a reason that she's so successful.

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But it's also, I think, when you cast comedians or people known for comedy in more serious roles.

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Like when they do the straight acting, there's just a gravitas that they bring to it in so many different. strange, isn't it?

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But it's a really common thing.

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I mean, I even think Bernard Cribbons, you know, who is a comedic actor.

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But I think you need, if you're a good comedian, you need to understand drama.

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And she certainly has proved that she understands how to play something dramatically.

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I love how Christmassy this is.

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We're back in the same street, actually, are we?

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We've just got like a few looks like Southside Henriks.

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Windows with Christmas and, you know, that...

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Blazing sunshine. in July.

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Apparently it was like 32, 33 degrees.

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That was a slice.

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Oh, I think I'm in drag.

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You're not fooling anyone there, mate.

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I think there's a slight nod to things later on where the doctor takes off his jacket and puts it around Donnery like, not convinced.

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They need to colour graders a bit more.

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Make it blow up.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It is very, it is really, really good.

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Lots of, um, leaves almost true as well.

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Look at David Tennant there.

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Just in the back of the cab.

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He didn't have any lines.

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He was like everything.

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Acting the whole way.

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He's just inhabits the character.

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You can tell these 2 got on really well.

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Yeah, filming this.

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They're wonderful.

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When she, you remember when they used to do sort of podcast commentaries that they would, they weren't commentaries, were they?

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They were just podcast episodes.

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Over commentaries.

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And the 2 of them together are just spectacularly funny.

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They've done, they did, I should say, at the time, several of those talk shows like Jonathan Ross and that.

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And whenever they were together, the chemistry just...

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I mean, Tenet is so he's so charismatic in that.

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Yeah, Tenet run is really cool.

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He's all arms when he runs Yeah, still not as funny as the Capoli run, though.

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Nothing is funnier than Peter Gavaldi running.

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Penguin open that's on fire.

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Yeah, that's right, but it was Armando Yunucci who said that.

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So he'd always arrange for scenes where Malcolm Tucker would have to run because Capaldi is just so hilariously coming.

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I just like everybody in the church is just walking around as if, you know, I love a major emergency.

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Well, I love how this scene, how this scene is directed too, with the camera suddenly changing directions and following someone new who comes into the scene and having the vicar about to call the police.

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It is a police matter.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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It's so such a sunny day.

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Not exploding this year.

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They put it back together pretty quickly.

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Yes, they rebuilt the whole building.

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We got surprisingly cleaned out that basement.

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I completely skipped that she actually got a tenor off that woman.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Like, oh, yeah.

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Oh, look, they're back.

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They've been redesigned, so they look better.

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They did look a bit crummy.

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They were never the best idea.

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The 1st time round.

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Did you notice Donna's shoes in that scene?

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She'd been wearing sports shoes between takes and forgot to take them off for one of the takes.

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So if you look close, where you can see her in sports shoes.

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Aeros Starling.

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What is CGI four?

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And then we get a lot of really looking fake money.

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That's so great though.

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Dr. Stealing for the 1st time?

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Yes.

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Well, no, he stole TARDAS.

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Stole some clothes.

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Apparently there was the 10 and £20 notes.

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The £10 note said, I promised to be the bearer on demand the sum of 10 setsumas.

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And the £20 mate said, there's no point being grown up because you can't be a little childish.

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So if you swap that Satsuma, does that mean money grows on trees?

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We're here all week.

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She's very shouting.

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This is so great.

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Now, so last year, we saw the TARDIS interacting with the world in a completely new way where the TARDIS appears midair and sort of bashes against the walls of the power state, you know, and then just physically landing on the ground.

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But this, you know, this is something the TARDIS has never, ever done before.

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There's a couple of firsts here.

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Yeah, at the end as well.

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I think this is absolute, this blew my mind watching this, I thought. goodness, you know, to actually have a car chase with the TARDIS actually chasing it.

243
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Like, it's just the imagination of Russell combined with the technology.

244
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Yes.

245
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I think they might have shown this scene as a teaser for the episode at one of the music of the Spheres concerts. and you could hear her celebration.

246
00:14:00.899 --> 00:14:04.919
Yeah, you could hear the audience react in real time and they loved it.

247
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I remember that.

248
00:14:05.820 --> 00:14:06.960
I absolutely remember it.

249
00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:10.200
Look how sunny it is.

250
00:14:11.940 --> 00:14:14.519
Santa's a robot.

251
00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:18.059
That gloves has a microglime.

252
00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:22.019
It may possibly it's believable if you think now.

253
00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:24.600
That is so good.

254
00:14:24.659 --> 00:14:27.419
And the fact that she can't believe it either.

255
00:14:28.980 --> 00:14:30.840
You're kidding me.

256
00:14:30.899 --> 00:14:32.759
It's so great.

257
00:14:32.879 --> 00:14:33.840
I love these kids.

258
00:14:33.899 --> 00:14:34.500
I do too.

259
00:14:34.559 --> 00:14:39.179
Giving it an audience, giving it a giving like a child audience then.

260
00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:41.519
Placing the audience in the episode, yeah.

261
00:14:41.700 --> 00:14:45.299
And the string, he does it with a bit of string.

262
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It's so good.

263
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I mean, this is probably the best line of the episode coming up.

264
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Delivery.

265
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Look at that shot.

266
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Give it to us, Catherine.

267
00:15:14.279 --> 00:15:28.559
And is that a reference to, um, it looks like a reference to the seed in tear of the autons, where the doctor pulls the face mask off the, off the, um, policeman, and it's an auton face.

268
00:15:28.620 --> 00:15:29.639
Like he's kind of doing it again.

269
00:15:29.700 --> 00:15:32.940
A central called in...

270
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The confidential that they referenced.

271
00:15:35.580 --> 00:15:37.019
That's a different reference.

272
00:15:37.139 --> 00:15:41.039
If only Mike Yates had sailed in and rescued them here, it could have improved the episode.

273
00:15:41.460 --> 00:15:46.860
Maybe no episode that wouldn't be improved by Mikey Yates coming in and rescuing you, I think.

274
00:15:47.100 --> 00:15:49.860
Maybe chancing the centre of the Tartars.

275
00:15:53.940 --> 00:15:56.159
I actually like that episode.

276
00:15:57.120 --> 00:15:58.679
Still funny.

277
00:15:59.700 --> 00:16:02.879
I like how they just, he grabs that...

278
00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:04.139
Yeah, we are like locked in.

279
00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:04.799
Yeah.

280
00:16:04.860 --> 00:16:07.559
It's well told really efficiently told, isn't it?

281
00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:20.220
Oh, wow.

282
00:16:20.279 --> 00:16:23.100
It's so exciting and it's so visceral.

283
00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:25.200
Like just the shot of the road and all of that.

284
00:16:25.259 --> 00:16:28.259
It's it's properly, you know, nerve-wracking.

285
00:16:28.679 --> 00:16:34.679
You just know they would have had to have chosen every shot so carefully to save money.

286
00:16:34.740 --> 00:16:36.299
Who else has told it so economically?

287
00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:37.080
I love this.

288
00:16:37.139 --> 00:16:41.039
Like, you know, the friend you lost and...

289
00:16:41.100 --> 00:16:44.820
This is just, you know...

290
00:16:44.940 --> 00:16:49.019
And it's the 1st time that he's that he's actually vocalising that she's not dead.

291
00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:49.620
She's alive.

292
00:16:49.679 --> 00:16:50.399
Yeah, yeah.

293
00:16:50.460 --> 00:16:52.980
It's this journey that he's going on during this episode.

294
00:16:53.039 --> 00:17:00.240
Well, I mean, we saw Christopher Eckleston's doctor hold out his hand for Linda with Hawaii to take and we saw how that turned out.

295
00:17:01.799 --> 00:17:05.220
I just love how it spins off in...

296
00:17:05.339 --> 00:17:10.859
Oh, and without a cut, her hand comes into shot or without a very obvious card.

297
00:17:10.980 --> 00:17:16.200
Oh, now this is interesting because these, I think, might have been some of the 1st scene shot for this.

298
00:17:16.259 --> 00:17:25.980
And there were Doctor Who fans watching the filming down below and they were trying to keep Catherine Tate a surprise so that when she appeared at the end of Doomsday, no one would know.

299
00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:31.319
And they could only see in long shot a woman wearing a bridal gown, but couldn't see who it was.

300
00:17:31.380 --> 00:17:33.839
And so rumours were rampant, that it was Elizabeth Sladen.

301
00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:34.980
And Sarah was coming back.

302
00:17:35.039 --> 00:17:36.420
And you can kind of you can kind of see it.

303
00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:38.279
From there, look, we're from behind.

304
00:17:38.339 --> 00:17:39.539
She's got her long hair.

305
00:17:39.599 --> 00:17:42.240
Yes, with her with her canine and company hair, yes.

306
00:17:42.359 --> 00:17:47.279
So this is where I started to thaw.

307
00:17:47.460 --> 00:17:49.380
Yeah, his character and performance.

308
00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:51.480
Well, she's kind of resigned, isn't she?

309
00:17:51.539 --> 00:17:54.599
She's she's tired and she's resigned.

310
00:17:54.660 --> 00:17:59.880
And, uh, or does she know?

311
00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:06.599
And the actress is there, you know, being so good as she is, um, peeling back the layers on the carriage.

312
00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:08.940
She knows that Donna's shoutiness is all a shield.

313
00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:12.240
She's deeply insecure and doesn't think she's very good at anything.

314
00:18:12.299 --> 00:18:15.420
And so when you get moments like this, she's just vulnerable.

315
00:18:16.079 --> 00:18:23.039
And we get, like, you know, we'll get there, but, you know, she's even more vulnerable later on.

316
00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:24.599
Cold, put that jacket around.

317
00:18:27.059 --> 00:18:29.099
Could snow at any moment.

318
00:18:38.220 --> 00:18:46.619
Another one of little Russell's things using just a an ordinary thing as a scientific explanation device.

319
00:18:46.680 --> 00:18:49.740
Yeah, even biodamp is a pretty well chosen word.

320
00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:52.380
Yeah, it's not gravitic anomalizer.

321
00:18:52.440 --> 00:18:54.299
It's a... telebiogenesis.

322
00:18:54.720 --> 00:18:58.140
I don't might be my brand of washing card.

323
00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:04.740
The robot Santas are hopeless, aren't they?

324
00:19:04.799 --> 00:19:05.759
What the hell are they?

325
00:19:05.819 --> 00:19:06.539
Oh, here we go.

326
00:19:06.599 --> 00:19:08.220
She hasn't.

327
00:19:08.279 --> 00:19:08.460
Yeah.

328
00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:16.319
And no one ever mentioned to her that there'd been a big spaceship.

329
00:19:16.380 --> 00:19:16.980
She'd never heard it.

330
00:19:17.039 --> 00:19:18.779
I love how that becomes a running theme.

331
00:19:18.839 --> 00:19:20.099
Her windows didn't shatter.

332
00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:28.140
Well, Moffatt, I think, kind of tries to put a line under it by giving it a science fiction explanation, doesn't it?

333
00:19:28.140 --> 00:19:35.519
The crack, you know, prevents everyone from remembering things, which is, you know, but I kind of like it.

334
00:19:35.579 --> 00:19:36.660
It's, I don't know.

335
00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:37.680
Is it sustainable?

336
00:19:37.740 --> 00:19:44.940
Like, do we want Doctor Who said in our world or do we want Doctor Who said in a world where there've been lots of public alien invasions?

337
00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:45.839
Russell leans into it.

338
00:19:45.900 --> 00:19:54.299
I definitely want Doctor Who set in our world, but I want comedy explanations like the fact that Donna was often May Walker.

339
00:19:54.359 --> 00:19:55.319
That's fine.

340
00:19:55.380 --> 00:19:55.920
I'm good.

341
00:19:55.980 --> 00:19:56.579
Yeah, yeah.

342
00:19:56.640 --> 00:19:57.599
Yeah, I agree with you, Peter.

343
00:19:57.660 --> 00:19:57.839
Yeah.

344
00:19:57.900 --> 00:20:00.119
Yeah, just hang a hat on it, like make it funny.

345
00:20:00.180 --> 00:20:00.779
Yeah.

346
00:20:01.740 --> 00:20:04.319
Did she punch you in the face?

347
00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:07.079
I'd say that to Tad last week.

348
00:20:07.140 --> 00:20:08.880
Stop bleeping me.

349
00:20:10.559 --> 00:20:13.440
It's not Peter, it's rich.

350
00:20:13.500 --> 00:20:16.259
Listeners, let's get back to the episode.

351
00:20:16.319 --> 00:20:18.119
Yeah, that's actually comedy flashbacks.

352
00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:18.779
Oh, yes.

353
00:20:18.779 --> 00:20:21.000
And look, this is Donna out of her...

354
00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:22.559
Battle gown.

355
00:20:22.619 --> 00:20:24.359
And so suddenly she looks like series 4, Donna.

356
00:20:24.420 --> 00:20:25.079
Yeah, yeah.

357
00:20:25.140 --> 00:20:26.220
Oh, me, me.

358
00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:27.299
Oh, yeah, have some coffee.

359
00:20:30.779 --> 00:20:34.440
It's really good in playing to her strengths.

360
00:20:34.500 --> 00:20:39.720
We have a really long exposition scene here and she's doing a head laugh.

361
00:20:39.779 --> 00:20:41.940
The sort of throw your head back when you laugh.

362
00:20:42.779 --> 00:20:51.900
And this, when we come back to, um, him begging her to marry him.

363
00:20:52.380 --> 00:20:54.839
He insisted.

364
00:20:59.039 --> 00:21:01.559
I actually think he's a very handsome man.

365
00:21:01.619 --> 00:21:02.880
He's very handsome.

366
00:21:02.940 --> 00:21:06.779
And actually his, as far as I recall, I don't know the character's name.

367
00:21:06.839 --> 00:21:07.500
I can't remember it.

368
00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:17.099
His EastEnders character had a similar trajectory that he got with Denise, who's a very beloved character, and was charming and then turned out to be a serial killer.

369
00:21:17.160 --> 00:21:18.960
I watched it.

370
00:21:19.019 --> 00:21:19.859
It was great.

371
00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:20.700
Which is so good.

372
00:21:20.759 --> 00:21:22.140
One of their banner years.

373
00:21:25.500 --> 00:21:29.700
So I think we discussed this when we were recording series two, didn't we?

374
00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:32.039
This was originally scripted.

375
00:21:32.039 --> 00:21:38.579
Well, the Russell wanted this for mid-season series two.

376
00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:41.640
That's right, because Billy was originally going to leave at the halfway point.

377
00:21:41.700 --> 00:21:45.059
And like stay behind in Pete's world.

378
00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:58.680
And then when he found out from Jane Tranton that they've been renewed for a 3rd season and another Christmas special, he went, well, actually, let's make that the Christmas special.

379
00:21:58.740 --> 00:22:00.059
Well, you can't half tell.

380
00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:03.779
I mean, there's no episode that's got Christmas shoe horned in as much as this one.

381
00:22:05.339 --> 00:22:07.079
Oh, bless.

382
00:22:07.140 --> 00:22:09.539
I was nearest dancing with Lance.

383
00:22:10.019 --> 00:22:12.720
She's made her move in her house.

384
00:22:17.279 --> 00:22:19.079
Oh my goodness.

385
00:22:19.559 --> 00:22:21.660
Ah, that's just wonderful.

386
00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:23.220
Setting it up.

387
00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:25.319
Oh, nerris.

388
00:22:25.319 --> 00:22:26.640
So great.

389
00:22:28.259 --> 00:22:31.500
You have the most promotional without me.

390
00:22:31.559 --> 00:22:32.880
Clear from steps.

391
00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:35.759
She does look like clap from steps.

392
00:22:35.819 --> 00:22:39.119
One of the girls from Mural's wedding who hates Muriels.

393
00:22:39.180 --> 00:22:40.680
Oh, the old one.

394
00:22:40.740 --> 00:22:42.240
Yeah, with Sophie Lee.

395
00:22:42.299 --> 00:22:43.559
Yes, yes, yes.

396
00:22:43.619 --> 00:22:44.819
Or monk or something like that?

397
00:22:44.880 --> 00:22:45.779
No, it's Sophie Lee.

398
00:22:46.799 --> 00:22:57.420
The doctor's really good in this 210, but yes, I gathered. is really like actually having him have to take a kind of backseat to someone who's much louder and bigger and shoutier.

399
00:22:57.480 --> 00:22:59.400
Like normally he's the centre of attention.

400
00:22:59.460 --> 00:23:02.880
But when Donna's in the room, he's kind of her sidekick.

401
00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:07.920
You can obviously mentally each time he sort of cocks his head like, I've just got to readjust my hearing.

402
00:23:07.980 --> 00:23:09.539
Okay, you got to...

403
00:23:09.539 --> 00:23:11.880
I love what she does.

404
00:23:11.940 --> 00:23:13.319
This is so subtle, isn't it, James?

405
00:23:15.180 --> 00:23:19.019
Everybody's like...

406
00:23:19.019 --> 00:23:21.119
She turns to it.

407
00:23:22.019 --> 00:23:22.680
It's fantastic.

408
00:23:24.779 --> 00:23:27.059
Putting up.

409
00:23:27.059 --> 00:23:32.400
The doctor realises what he's got on his hands, I think.

410
00:23:32.460 --> 00:23:33.779
It's wonderful, isn't it?

411
00:23:33.900 --> 00:23:35.940
And now, oh, a bit of grooving.

412
00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:37.680
This is actually really fun.

413
00:23:37.740 --> 00:23:38.400
It is.

414
00:23:38.460 --> 00:23:39.180
Yeah.

415
00:23:39.240 --> 00:23:41.099
Oh, smile.

416
00:23:41.099 --> 00:23:48.180
And this is actually a good moment for the doctor as well, I think, where we get to reestablish because we get that flashback.

417
00:23:48.180 --> 00:23:49.980
Is it to Doomsday?

418
00:23:50.039 --> 00:23:58.440
I think it's to doomsday where he looks up and sees someone dipping someone on the dance floor and then remembers.

419
00:23:58.559 --> 00:24:01.259
Yeah, isn't it, isn't it from that season opener from last year?

420
00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:03.299
Oh, actually, it might be from what, from New Earth?

421
00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:06.900
Yes, where he dips the Lady Cassandra or something.

422
00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:08.039
Yeah, maybe that's it.

423
00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:08.940
Maybe that's it.

424
00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:10.799
It's really it's really cool.

425
00:24:10.859 --> 00:24:11.940
Torchwood?

426
00:24:11.940 --> 00:24:15.539
I wish I'd get my phone to have sort of block capitals that big on the screen.

427
00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:20.099
Isn't it incredible to think 2006 is using a WAP browser.

428
00:24:20.339 --> 00:24:22.200
It's so bad.

429
00:24:22.259 --> 00:24:23.400
WAP is crap.

430
00:24:23.460 --> 00:24:28.380
But did you notice the little, like, play button on the phone?

431
00:24:28.380 --> 00:24:33.839
Like, he actually had to start the video clip playing on the phone.

432
00:24:33.900 --> 00:24:34.980
Here you go, I think.

433
00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:39.119
There it is.

434
00:24:39.180 --> 00:24:39.839
There it is.

435
00:24:39.900 --> 00:24:40.440
Yeah, it is.

436
00:24:40.500 --> 00:24:42.539
It's chips in the background there.

437
00:24:42.599 --> 00:24:42.900
Yeah.

438
00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:43.440
Yeah.

439
00:24:44.460 --> 00:24:46.259
Yeah.

440
00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:47.940
No, that's good.

441
00:24:48.059 --> 00:24:51.480
He's and then he stops wallowing in it really visibly.

442
00:24:51.539 --> 00:24:53.819
He's working through this game.

443
00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:58.319
And now we've got somebody with a huge video camera, which these days well...

444
00:24:58.319 --> 00:25:01.140
No, you just do it on your phone, or GoPro or something.

445
00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:03.180
Or tape the whole thing.

446
00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:09.839
I think one of the friends in Gavin and Stacy.

447
00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:13.019
Oh, I don't know, possibly.

448
00:25:13.200 --> 00:25:15.660
Wasn't everybody in Wales?

449
00:25:15.660 --> 00:25:16.680
Stacy.

450
00:25:18.660 --> 00:25:29.039
I quite like how everyone sort of, you know, this sort of amazing space thing happens and again, they all just kind of ignore it or rationalise it or whatever.

451
00:25:29.099 --> 00:25:30.240
Some stupid joke.

452
00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:31.559
It's just dismissed.

453
00:25:31.619 --> 00:25:38.099
I mean, in fact, Jackie's angry at Donna because that's a kind of default mode. blamed on her.

454
00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:40.920
I like there where they rewind the tape.

455
00:25:40.980 --> 00:25:45.180
It does the thing where it only happens in film TV where it makes the...

456
00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:46.380
It never does in real life.

457
00:25:46.440 --> 00:25:52.319
It's like when they hit a button on a remote in American television, it goes, click, and you think, no, nobody works, click.

458
00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:54.900
Santas are coming back.

459
00:25:54.960 --> 00:26:05.640
I also think too that he was obviously standing in the place where Auros put the cameraman because he's actually, you know, what he taped is very opening scene.

460
00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:12.960
Yeah, I think this is slightly naughty, isn't it?

461
00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:17.099
Like to have people being exploded at the reception and then we don't care about it.

462
00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:28.559
I was slightly disappointed with this coming up sequence because we we've got a Christmas tree and I really liked the original Christmas tree, Jackie, when it was spinning around.

463
00:26:28.619 --> 00:26:30.480
I actually wanted the tree to spin.

464
00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:34.680
Yeah, I guess he felt he had to he'd done that and now let's do something different.

465
00:26:34.740 --> 00:26:38.279
Yeah, even if the bubble things had spun out from the tree.

466
00:26:38.339 --> 00:26:40.680
I just wanted the tree to snare.

467
00:26:41.819 --> 00:26:50.400
It is slightly like the Moldavian massacre from dynasty where all of these exploding globes go off and then everyone picks them souls up and dusts themselves off.

468
00:26:50.460 --> 00:26:55.019
We get a line about people being out..

469
00:26:56.759 --> 00:26:59.819
That's not very good, CGI.

470
00:27:00.180 --> 00:27:04.019
Do you think if Donna got the line, I'm going to be killed by a Christmas tree.

471
00:27:04.019 --> 00:27:05.099
She'd do it better than Jackie.

472
00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:06.119
No.

473
00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:07.680
Thanks, Todd.

474
00:27:07.740 --> 00:27:10.619
No, that is one of the most brilliant.

475
00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:13.799
Yeah, that hair is so late 2000s.

476
00:27:13.859 --> 00:27:15.240
Thank you, James.

477
00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:19.380
Are we in this episode, Peter?

478
00:27:19.380 --> 00:27:24.839
It's, I mean, it's sort of quite well done.

479
00:27:24.900 --> 00:27:28.140
Oh, mate, the cake sitting there, so it's got to go at some point.

480
00:27:28.259 --> 00:27:31.259
Oh, that was awesome.

481
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:32.400
He's a member of havoc.

482
00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:36.960
So Alan Chuntz or...

483
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:38.880
Cake wick is by Howick.

484
00:27:44.940 --> 00:27:48.059
I don't think this is an especially inspired story.

485
00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:54.480
I think the mechanics of it are pretty workmanlike, but it's been dressed up really well.

486
00:27:54.539 --> 00:27:57.779
There's a lot of entertaining scenes to keep it going.

487
00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:00.180
Well, I think that that's the Christmas thing, isn't it?

488
00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:02.160
Like, it is sort of paper thin.

489
00:28:02.220 --> 00:28:11.279
Like there's, we'll get, um, you know, there's all kinds of dialogue that gets in there to kind of paper over sort of pretty gaping kind of plot problems.

490
00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:14.460
It's just like science fiction dialogue and stuff.

491
00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:15.839
Oh, I got the shakes.

492
00:28:15.900 --> 00:28:21.720
I mean, but this is good, you know, it's a sonic screwdriver and there's always a big PA system at a wedding.

493
00:28:21.779 --> 00:28:22.319
That makes sense.

494
00:28:22.380 --> 00:28:24.240
That's, you know, that's all right.

495
00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:29.279
It has to be, I think, a fun episode to an extent, considering what we've just gone through.

496
00:28:29.339 --> 00:28:30.779
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

497
00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:33.599
And like when did Doomsday screen?

498
00:28:33.660 --> 00:28:35.279
It must have been July.

499
00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:36.000
July?

500
00:28:36.059 --> 00:28:36.359
Okay.

501
00:28:36.420 --> 00:28:54.779
So we haven't had Doctor Who for 6 months and making it fun, making sure that we know that it's not all going to be super overwrought. while also not making the doctor appear callous for, you know, forgetting Rose and going off with someone else, like as a kind of fine line.

502
00:28:54.839 --> 00:29:00.720
If you're in the UK, I mean, we got this in June 2007.

503
00:29:00.900 --> 00:29:01.920
Oh, did we?

504
00:29:01.980 --> 00:29:04.980
Yes, we've got it 2 days before Smith and Jones.

505
00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:12.960
Oh, and in Canada, because of the scheduling, this was broadcast 3 or 4 hours after Smith and Jones.

506
00:29:13.740 --> 00:29:15.299
How weird.

507
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:18.960
Yeah, I think Russell got it exactly right.

508
00:29:19.019 --> 00:29:26.640
I mean, his Christmas specials sometimes get criticised for being too populist, but the series was on upward trajectory here.

509
00:29:26.700 --> 00:29:31.500
You just come off a really successful season that had a very, very successful conclusion.

510
00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:33.240
And then he comes back Christmas.

511
00:29:33.299 --> 00:29:39.960
He does something really He does something really sort of interesting and wide-ranging, which anyone can watch.

512
00:29:40.019 --> 00:29:41.519
Just boosted series profile.

513
00:29:41.579 --> 00:29:45.480
I love the direction there when they look up and then you've got her pointer.

514
00:29:45.539 --> 00:29:47.759
Yeah, and that's that's live.

515
00:29:47.819 --> 00:29:48.779
That's not mad at Ian.

516
00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:52.380
That's, you know, that's her tapping a screen.

517
00:29:52.500 --> 00:30:02.400
It doesn't always get to me when you've got these aliens that have these pointer sort of hands that, you know, how could they actually come up with technology or do anything practical?

518
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:04.559
No, exactly.

519
00:30:04.619 --> 00:30:06.480
Dalek sucker control.

520
00:30:06.539 --> 00:30:10.380
But I mean, she, this is a panto performance, isn't it?

521
00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:14.759
She's a sort of pantomime villain and she has that odd way of speaking and stuff.

522
00:30:14.819 --> 00:30:16.799
But it's that's a deliberate choice.

523
00:30:16.859 --> 00:30:17.640
Yeah.

524
00:30:17.700 --> 00:30:21.539
It's Sarah Parrish, who I think had worked with David Ten on a previous series.

525
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:23.519
So this black film together.

526
00:30:23.579 --> 00:30:24.539
Blackpool.

527
00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:27.720
Actually, definitely not just Blackpool or something else as well.

528
00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:29.519
Here we go.

529
00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:38.519
There we go.

530
00:30:38.579 --> 00:30:40.619
It's a fantastic running gag.

531
00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:41.519
It's...

532
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:51.119
I like the fact that it's an interracial couple again, a bit like, um, well, um, Rose and Mickey, Rosa Mickey.

533
00:30:51.180 --> 00:30:51.420
Yep.

534
00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:52.019
Yeah, yeah.

535
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:55.200
And when Donna gets married in the end of time as well.

536
00:30:55.259 --> 00:30:57.359
What's his what's that character goal?

537
00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:00.420
His last name's Temple.

538
00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:03.420
I want to say Simon Temple.

539
00:31:03.420 --> 00:31:04.799
I don't think that's right.

540
00:31:04.859 --> 00:31:08.819
So, of course, she's called Donna Noble because of Donna Nobi's Parkem.

541
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:09.900
Like, give us peace.

542
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:16.500
It's in Christmas carols, so she has a Christmassy name and then she gets stuck with that for, you know, the rest of the run.

543
00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:25.559
Hello, that line in the thighs of Pompeii, where the suits say, it's you who call yourself noble.

544
00:31:25.619 --> 00:31:26.279
Yeah, yeah.

545
00:31:29.819 --> 00:31:33.000
Everybody's a bit shouty in this, aren't they?

546
00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:34.680
Yeah, I kind of, I like Lance.

547
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:44.160
And again, Lance will, you know, when he reveals that he's really with the big spider lady, he'll start doing a panto performance as well.

548
00:31:44.220 --> 00:31:46.980
So he can get he gets to be a panto signkick.

549
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:52.980
I think Russell knows that, you know, it's just a big old spider, and so what he gives the Queen of the Rachnos is a sense of humour.

550
00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:56.519
She thinks everything's funny and she appreciates Lance because he's funny.

551
00:31:56.579 --> 00:32:00.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah. rather than just being straight laced.

552
00:32:00.180 --> 00:32:02.819
It's nice to have that in your panto villain.

553
00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:04.319
Yeah, no, that's good.

554
00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:12.720
I think Don is doing a great job and totally selling. don't suspect him for a moment.

555
00:32:12.779 --> 00:32:15.539
I like this, the honour and obey.

556
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:19.980
Slightly sexist.

557
00:32:20.099 --> 00:32:23.819
We're about to descend into the millennium stadium corridors as usual.

558
00:32:23.819 --> 00:32:27.960
It's sort of lit with some green and blue gels in Blake 7 fashion.

559
00:32:28.019 --> 00:32:28.619
Yep.

560
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:31.140
It's Ed Thomas on a very good day.

561
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:32.819
With a dalek lurking around the corner.

562
00:32:33.420 --> 00:32:35.519
Yes, here we are.

563
00:32:35.579 --> 00:32:37.559
This must be like a one. green.

564
00:32:38.819 --> 00:32:44.640
It reminds me of the storm cage thing that, well, there's a good reason for that.

565
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:48.000
It's the same place.

566
00:32:48.059 --> 00:32:50.160
There's a missing product placement.

567
00:32:50.220 --> 00:32:50.759
Oh, here we go.

568
00:32:50.819 --> 00:32:51.539
I was about to say.

569
00:32:51.660 --> 00:32:54.000
Weren't these scooter things fairly new at the time?

570
00:32:54.059 --> 00:32:54.960
Segues.

571
00:32:55.019 --> 00:32:56.099
LA segues?

572
00:32:56.220 --> 00:32:56.819
Yeah.

573
00:32:56.819 --> 00:32:59.160
What do you say, Wayne, too?

574
00:32:59.220 --> 00:33:00.599
thank you.

575
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:06.420
Actually, it's really great, isn't it?

576
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:09.180
With Lance kind of looking on.

577
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:12.660
You know, like the 2 of them are just sparking so well.

578
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:15.599
Like the 2 of them are really both enjoying it.

579
00:33:15.660 --> 00:33:22.019
And actually, I meant to say when they were having their little conversation when she was in the taxi and he's in the Tartars trying to coax her across.

580
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:29.400
It was reminiscent in reverse fashion of the scene in partners in crime, whether on opposite sides of the room talking to each other through the doors.

581
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:31.259
Yeah, gosh, that's great.

582
00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:32.880
I was thinking about that the other day.

583
00:33:32.940 --> 00:33:33.779
That's so genius.

584
00:33:33.900 --> 00:33:36.119
One of the key scenes of modern dot two.

585
00:33:36.180 --> 00:33:38.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely brilliant.

586
00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:46.319
Of course, if this was Christmas in the UK, it would not still be sunlight after up to 4 o'clock.

587
00:33:46.380 --> 00:33:46.920
Yeah, yeah.

588
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:48.779
Oh my god, maybe they're in a mini scoop.

589
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:52.920
Yeah, it was 3.10 p.m. earlier on on the roof, wasn't it?

590
00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:53.700
Yeah.

591
00:33:53.700 --> 00:33:55.920
That time for that dinosaur to appear.

592
00:33:55.980 --> 00:33:58.980
That was very close at what, like 430, 5 o'clock.

593
00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:01.980
Lance rips off his mask and there's major daily.

594
00:34:02.819 --> 00:34:04.740
Captain Yates.

595
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:07.559
Ian Marta.

596
00:34:13.619 --> 00:34:16.019
Oh, and now we're on top of that.

597
00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:27.900
And again, I've spoken a couple of times about the way that Russell enchants London, the way that he fills it full of sort of science fiction superbases and stuff.

598
00:34:28.019 --> 00:34:38.639
And here we have that lampshaded as a joke. you know, the secret base hidden underneath a major landmark in London, you know, who could imagine such a thing.

599
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:43.019
Oh, is that the torchwood symbol?

600
00:34:43.139 --> 00:34:44.159
It is the torture symbol.

601
00:34:44.219 --> 00:34:47.159
It's the 2nd time we've seen it because it was on another door.

602
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:50.340
HC Clements is owned wholly by torture.

603
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:51.059
Yeah, yeah.

604
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:53.579
So...

605
00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:54.539
Yeah, yeah.

606
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:54.900
Okay.

607
00:34:54.900 --> 00:35:04.800
Are these things, Todd, you've seen this more recently than me, but do they reuse these props for the for Daleks in Manhattan?

608
00:35:04.860 --> 00:35:06.480
All these tubes and stuff.

609
00:35:07.019 --> 00:35:08.880
Oh, they might well.

610
00:35:08.940 --> 00:35:11.820
Yeah, I don't think I don't think there was anything new in those.

611
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:18.179
I was thinking back to New Earth, but with all those tubes in the lift.

612
00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:20.159
But no, yeah, you're probably right.

613
00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:22.019
Do they multicolour them?

614
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:22.800
Maybe.

615
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:24.179
It looks great.

616
00:35:24.300 --> 00:35:27.059
It's pretty effective. looks good here.

617
00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:27.599
Yeah, yeah.

618
00:35:31.019 --> 00:35:38.940
I like all of the doctor's simple explanations like he had the cup and the pencil before and now this Russell makes it so accessible.

619
00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:41.519
Yeah, he does a really really good job of that.

620
00:35:41.579 --> 00:35:43.619
Maybe more than anyone else, I think.

621
00:35:43.739 --> 00:35:48.539
And David's done that thing that all of the modern doctors have done, where he's come back.

622
00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:51.059
He's refreshed after doing his 1st series has gone out.

623
00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:52.199
He knows it's been a success.

624
00:35:52.260 --> 00:35:57.480
He comes back and the 1st thing he shoots, he's just markedly more comfortable and confident in the role.

625
00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:01.079
You see it with Matt Smith in Christmas Carol and Peter Capaldi.

626
00:36:01.139 --> 00:36:01.559
Yeah.

627
00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:03.000
Yeah, so agree.

628
00:36:03.059 --> 00:36:09.900
Well, it certainly Matt Smith and Christmas Carol. kind of like Moffatt now knows what Matt's good at and just writes for that.

629
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:12.780
You know, it's a real kind of showcase for him.

630
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:21.840
I have a hunch the 1st thing Matt shot after the series had gone out and he knew that he'd been a hit was the Sarah Jane Adventure story and you can tell he's totally on top in that.

631
00:36:21.900 --> 00:36:23.460
It's like he knows what he's doing.

632
00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:26.280
You won particles.

633
00:36:26.340 --> 00:36:28.980
Yeah, they're from Tasmanian trees.

634
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:29.820
Who are they?

635
00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:30.239
No.

636
00:36:30.420 --> 00:36:33.179
It's a bit of a human cry.

637
00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:33.960
Oh, please.

638
00:36:37.019 --> 00:36:38.579
There should have been Huath particles.

639
00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:44.579
The spiders, yes. spelt with lots of peas and D's.

640
00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:47.820
Oh, and then a very big door.

641
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:55.440
Yes, and a drain because you know what you do with a spider in England if you find a spider in your house, you wash it down the sink.

642
00:36:56.519 --> 00:36:58.980
So, and it looks like a sink.

643
00:36:59.099 --> 00:37:02.039
It looks like a plug hole. like 3 o'clock in the morning.

644
00:37:02.099 --> 00:37:05.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's terrific.

645
00:37:05.460 --> 00:37:10.139
It's not sort of referencing dialogue or anything, but it's very clearly what you do.

646
00:37:10.380 --> 00:37:16.320
You could, I could imagine Carolan Ford down there. this hole.

647
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:20.880
Sheltered by Billy as they try not to have the tap tone.

648
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:23.159
I didn't get you for a moment.

649
00:37:23.219 --> 00:37:27.780
It's one of my favourite cliffhangers. someone might turn the tap on.

650
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:30.900
Just tremendous.

651
00:37:30.900 --> 00:37:32.280
When you put it like that.

652
00:37:32.340 --> 00:37:35.940
Why is Jonathan there a dinosaurs under the earth?

653
00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:40.619
It's such a bizarrely random, random little conversation.

654
00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:42.480
She's seen the lost world.

655
00:37:42.539 --> 00:37:44.639
Change to the centre of the air.

656
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:46.739
In the sky.

657
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:51.659
But it is that thing about Donna being an idiot as well, which Lance kind of says.

658
00:37:51.780 --> 00:37:54.360
So we're saying the 1st thing that comes into our head.

659
00:37:54.420 --> 00:37:55.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

660
00:37:56.039 --> 00:37:56.579
Yeah.

661
00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:00.599
So are we going to get to see her?

662
00:38:00.659 --> 00:38:02.400
She is about to appear.

663
00:38:04.019 --> 00:38:06.599
That's great line.

664
00:38:06.659 --> 00:38:07.260
Very funny.

665
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:08.699
Here we go.

666
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:09.900
You will be sick at home.

667
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:12.239
So this spider.

668
00:38:12.300 --> 00:38:13.800
How much of it's practical?

669
00:38:13.860 --> 00:38:15.360
Most of it.

670
00:38:15.420 --> 00:38:18.239
I think, yeah, most apart from her extra eyes.

671
00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:18.960
Right.

672
00:38:19.019 --> 00:38:21.780
So that's actually a prop, a big giant prop.

673
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:27.300
It's her in a giant hydraulic suit.

674
00:38:27.420 --> 00:38:28.500
It's extraordinary.

675
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:30.300
It doesn't move more.

676
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:32.699
Like, it just moves on the spot up and down, as opposed to.

677
00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:33.539
Yeah, yeah.

678
00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:35.880
But it does, I mean, it looks incredible.

679
00:38:36.059 --> 00:38:40.500
So the, yeah, the eyes were, the eyes were CG when they blinked.

680
00:38:40.619 --> 00:38:41.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

681
00:38:41.579 --> 00:38:43.079
So all of her eyes blink at the same time.

682
00:38:43.139 --> 00:38:45.360
But otherwise that's just her in a big suit.

683
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:47.519
That's incredible.

684
00:38:47.940 --> 00:38:50.159
She looks a little too human.

685
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:54.300
Yeah, I know, but it's, I mean, you know, like it's Doctor Who.

686
00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:56.099
They all be a human.

687
00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:57.119
She still looks great.

688
00:38:57.239 --> 00:38:58.019
Yeah.

689
00:38:58.079 --> 00:38:58.679
Yeah.

690
00:38:58.860 --> 00:39:01.679
And it is also the performance.

691
00:39:01.739 --> 00:39:09.539
Like somehow she's managing to deliver a really kind of fun and appealing performance despite, you know, I mean, that must have been a nightmare.

692
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:12.960
Oh, Mr. Robinson's shoes.

693
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:18.900
The laugh.

694
00:39:25.619 --> 00:39:27.480
Oh, Lord.

695
00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:29.699
This is great. having a joke with the ragnos.

696
00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:30.360
Yeah.

697
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:32.280
He's really horrible.

698
00:39:32.579 --> 00:39:37.380
And it is actually also kind of a funny speech as well.

699
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:42.539
Like the that last speech where he's horrible to Donna is, you know.

700
00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:49.440
But it's so donna that she's managing, like she's talking and talking and talking, you know, to distract someone.

701
00:39:49.500 --> 00:39:50.940
Yeah. big thing.

702
00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:59.760
Apparently, this outfit really stuffed up Sarah Parrish's bag.

703
00:39:59.820 --> 00:40:02.340
Oh, I can imagine it would mean enough.

704
00:40:02.340 --> 00:40:02.760
I understand.

705
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:06.599
Because she's kind of she's kind of lying down in it.

706
00:40:09.659 --> 00:40:11.460
But sort of vertical?

707
00:40:11.519 --> 00:40:11.940
Yeah.

708
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:16.019
It's funny.

709
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:17.519
Oh, dear.

710
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:22.320
Oh, and he's twigged to it before she has.

711
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:23.579
It's just horrible.

712
00:40:23.579 --> 00:40:28.380
It's the one I really feel... it's just dreadful Yeah, yeah.

713
00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:31.079
I can't even point to Germany on a map.

714
00:40:31.139 --> 00:40:36.239
So do you think the EastEnders writers saw this episode and deliberately referenced?

715
00:40:38.699 --> 00:40:43.019
I mean, certainly, you can see the roots of his character in the performance.

716
00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:47.579
So he has known for a long time, hasn't he?

717
00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:51.480
The doctor's known that Lance has been dosing him with the Huon particles.

718
00:40:51.539 --> 00:40:53.880
Like he's worked about, presumably in the lab.

719
00:40:53.940 --> 00:40:54.840
Well, I don't know.

720
00:40:54.900 --> 00:40:56.639
I mean, he's right out just then.

721
00:40:56.820 --> 00:40:59.820
I kept giving him suspicious looks earlier.

722
00:40:59.880 --> 00:41:01.320
I don't know.

723
00:41:01.380 --> 00:41:02.460
I have to go back and watch.

724
00:41:02.460 --> 00:41:03.480
Oh yeah, I didn't know.

725
00:41:03.539 --> 00:41:04.679
Oh, okay.

726
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:06.000
So he has personnel.

727
00:41:07.739 --> 00:41:10.079
She's seen lots of films.

728
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:19.559
And again, you know, when she's blustery.

729
00:41:19.619 --> 00:41:22.500
Like, this is this is what Donna's like when she's properly upset.

730
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:27.179
You know, and we see it over and over again in series four.

731
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:28.679
She's so good.

732
00:41:29.340 --> 00:41:30.900
Yeah.

733
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:32.940
You know, she's not yelling back.

734
00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:35.639
No, it's really heartbreaking.

735
00:41:35.699 --> 00:41:36.599
It's that line.

736
00:41:36.659 --> 00:41:39.179
The never ending fountain of fat, stupid tripping.

737
00:41:39.300 --> 00:41:39.960
Maybe a fat.

738
00:41:40.019 --> 00:41:42.000
Oh, it's just awful. good, isn't it?

739
00:41:42.059 --> 00:41:42.900
It's so well written.

740
00:41:49.019 --> 00:41:49.679
Oh, yuck.

741
00:41:50.579 --> 00:41:52.019
Wow.

742
00:41:52.139 --> 00:41:54.480
That's what made it so easy.

743
00:41:54.539 --> 00:41:56.219
It's yeah.

744
00:41:57.960 --> 00:42:00.239
Yeah, it's good, isn't it?

745
00:42:00.300 --> 00:42:03.840
I mean, this is her doing a proper reaction to something that is just ludicrous.

746
00:42:03.900 --> 00:42:08.940
I mean, you know, like a woman dress is a big giant spider and, you know, they're both doing comedy panther.

747
00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:09.840
She called a lady earlier.

748
00:42:09.900 --> 00:42:10.920
I said, listen, lady.

749
00:42:14.099 --> 00:42:19.619
Yeah, and the doctor's not got a whole lot to do, but David Tennant, as usual, acting his socks off.

750
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:20.340
Oh, that's so funny.

751
00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:22.139
Who's this little physician?

752
00:42:22.260 --> 00:42:23.820
Oh, dear.

753
00:42:26.940 --> 00:42:28.920
So what he's down there?

754
00:42:28.980 --> 00:42:30.539
Satist?

755
00:42:32.219 --> 00:42:34.320
The camera's going to come up.

756
00:42:34.980 --> 00:42:39.420
Oh, couldn't this episode be improved nicely by the addition of Ida?

757
00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:40.440
Yeah.

758
00:42:49.500 --> 00:42:50.219
Oh here we go.

759
00:42:55.019 --> 00:42:58.860
Oh, he got the, did he pick up the remote control earlier?

760
00:42:58.980 --> 00:43:00.539
Yes.

761
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:01.260
We saw him do that?

762
00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:04.619
It's one of those big old sort of noisy remote controllers.

763
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:05.159
Oh, yeah.

764
00:43:05.219 --> 00:43:07.440
It's like a big Xbox control or something.

765
00:43:10.500 --> 00:43:20.460
Oh, and again, here's something new that the TARDIS hasn't done before, something that we've never seen with a new effect, you know, that looks that makes you think of particles, right?

766
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:23.579
Because it's particles calling to particles.

767
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:32.039
I think um, at the end of, at the start of parting of the ways, um, that was the 1st time we'd seen the TARTIS materialise around, so around someone, yeah.

768
00:43:32.099 --> 00:43:37.440
And Russell does after, you know, 26 years, give the TARDIS new things to do all the time.

769
00:43:37.500 --> 00:43:43.860
So imaginative, because we also always think inside the box, like, you don't think outside that.

770
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:45.719
Yeah, what if the TARDIS did this?

771
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:50.460
And we're about to see another one too, because this is something that's never happened before either.

772
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:52.800
Where Donna...

773
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:55.500
I'm talking over her acting.

774
00:43:56.039 --> 00:44:14.699
This, again, is another one where we're sort of papering over a sort of giant plot hole, which is that it took 6 months to create the 1st key with you on energy, and now the queen's going to make lands into a key in 5 minutes because she's already calibrated the things or whatever.

775
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:17.699
Also begs the question why she didn't just use Lance in the 1st place.

776
00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:18.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

777
00:44:18.539 --> 00:44:18.840
Yeah.

778
00:44:18.900 --> 00:44:20.039
But that's fine.

779
00:44:20.099 --> 00:44:20.820
That's all good.

780
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:32.039
And like the doctor's funny too, hiding behind the TARDIS, behind the, you know, the time rotor, because he doesn't really want to deal with...

781
00:44:32.099 --> 00:44:33.059
Yeah, yeah.

782
00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:33.719
Yeah.

783
00:44:33.780 --> 00:44:36.360
She's good here, isn't she?

784
00:44:36.420 --> 00:44:37.440
She's now just tired.

785
00:44:37.500 --> 00:44:42.539
See, the other thing Lance could have done. with all that laboratory.

786
00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:45.480
He could have poisoned all the water in the building and actually poisoned a lot of people.

787
00:44:45.539 --> 00:44:48.719
But I guess it depends on how much you could generate at once.

788
00:44:48.780 --> 00:44:51.059
No, so we've never done this before, have we?

789
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:51.599
Am I wrong?

790
00:44:51.659 --> 00:44:53.639
We've never opened up the tartar stores to look outside.

791
00:44:53.820 --> 00:44:56.039
I think you might be.

792
00:44:56.099 --> 00:45:12.119
And it becomes a standard thing because the modern Tartars in the new show doesn't have a big scanner screen, the only way to see the special effects outside is it also doesn't have a void between internal and extraordinary doors.

793
00:45:12.179 --> 00:45:13.980
We looked outside earlier, didn't we?

794
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:16.800
By the beginning of the episode when she was in the task, didn't he open the doors then?

795
00:45:16.860 --> 00:45:18.840
Yeah, she wanted to charge out.

796
00:45:18.900 --> 00:45:19.320
Yeah.

797
00:45:19.380 --> 00:45:20.699
But it happens twice.

798
00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:21.480
Yeah, yeah.

799
00:45:21.539 --> 00:45:25.619
But it happens in this episode 1st and now we do it all the time.

800
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:28.380
And that too.

801
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:29.460
She reacts.

802
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:31.739
She reacts correctly, you know.

803
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:36.420
You know, that's how we want that.

804
00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:43.320
That's how the doctor wants her to react, to be excited. you know, by the creation of the world.

805
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:55.320
The line about the Isle of Wight, I think, is a joke that the production team we're making among themselves about one of the big CG rocks that goes past in the end of the world, after the world's destroyed.

806
00:45:56.639 --> 00:46:00.119
See, he's opening her eyes to possibilities, isn't it?

807
00:46:00.659 --> 00:46:04.860
And at the same time, she's opening his heart to a future.

808
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:06.659
Yeah, yeah, it's really good.

809
00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:07.920
And look at, she's smiling.

810
00:46:07.980 --> 00:46:09.719
And he's also smiling, you know?

811
00:46:10.260 --> 00:46:12.000
They're wonderful together, aren't they?

812
00:46:12.179 --> 00:46:23.280
She's just, you know, I did the big surveys for Doctor magazine, of the entire series, and they asked Favourite Doctor, her favourite companion, and she came a strong 2nd both times.

813
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:27.179
You know, even after she'd been out of the role for 6 years to Elizabeth Slayton.

814
00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:28.500
So she's got real estate power.

815
00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:29.039
Right.

816
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:29.880
Wow, that's great.

817
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:30.780
People love Donna.

818
00:46:31.260 --> 00:46:36.480
Yeah, well, I guess season 4 was probably the show at its absolute P, wasn't it?

819
00:46:36.539 --> 00:46:39.960
Which is what makes the end of series four.

820
00:46:40.019 --> 00:46:41.460
So devastating.

821
00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:42.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

822
00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:47.099
It's much worse than having the character killed.

823
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:50.519
You take away everything they learned and enjoy all that. just crippling.

824
00:46:50.579 --> 00:46:55.800
Well, I mean, we go back to Zoe and Jamie and I'm always upset about, especially Jamie.

825
00:46:55.860 --> 00:46:58.079
It is not enough people, you're right.

826
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:08.400
Oh, we could do a big count of how many aliens are trapped on Earth from the dawn of time to influence.

827
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:11.820
I think that's the joy of Doctor Who.

828
00:47:11.880 --> 00:47:13.440
We get so many different explanations.

829
00:47:13.500 --> 00:47:14.340
Yeah, that's right.

830
00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:17.340
Also, the doctor's gone further back than that, hasn't he?

831
00:47:17.460 --> 00:47:18.659
Event one?

832
00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:19.440
I guess so.

833
00:47:32.699 --> 00:47:35.400
I always love that vortex when it.

834
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:37.679
You're going in reversal.

835
00:47:37.739 --> 00:47:39.239
The blue and red.

836
00:47:39.300 --> 00:47:39.659
Yes.

837
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:41.400
Is that a real thing?

838
00:47:41.460 --> 00:47:42.000
Does actually work?

839
00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:43.619
I think it does.

840
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:55.019
I think, um, there is definitely, there's definitely some making one episode where they change direction and the vortex changes colour because they've now travelling into the future or the past.

841
00:47:55.079 --> 00:48:04.139
Well, that was the whole thing with the new series, they deliberately coded travelling past into one colour and travelling into the future with the other.

842
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:04.679
Yeah.

843
00:48:06.179 --> 00:48:09.239
Oh now we're on a different level because it's blue.

844
00:48:10.019 --> 00:48:12.000
Yes, exactly.

845
00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:14.400
Holy bride and white.

846
00:48:14.460 --> 00:48:17.159
That's the old pressure point trick, is it?

847
00:48:17.219 --> 00:48:18.420
Yeah, yeah, that's exactly it.

848
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:23.880
So where are we going now?

849
00:48:24.239 --> 00:48:34.500
Yeah, yeah. where they have a series of scenes of characters climbing down ladders which lead on from the other, and it's clearly the same ladder with just a different coloured gel.

850
00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:40.260
And it's not as inventive as that as you just made it sound.

851
00:48:40.320 --> 00:48:41.519
It's not.

852
00:48:41.579 --> 00:48:43.920
I don't need to love bleak seven.

853
00:48:44.940 --> 00:48:47.460
We're doing it now, James.

854
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:51.719
I have to be slow down.

855
00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:57.059
You've ever been so quiet.

856
00:48:57.119 --> 00:48:58.860
Yeah, that's great, isn't it?

857
00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:02.760
And he says that line without even sort of breaking the thread of his sentence either.

858
00:49:02.820 --> 00:49:03.300
It's amazing.

859
00:49:06.420 --> 00:49:08.940
Oh, look at glass painting.

860
00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:09.840
Yeah.

861
00:49:10.139 --> 00:49:15.179
What's that shame that they're in, the same on the autons we're in?

862
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:16.199
It looks like it.

863
00:49:16.260 --> 00:49:17.099
Do you think?

864
00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:17.460
Yeah.

865
00:49:17.820 --> 00:49:20.460
I'm sure the gels were a different colour.

866
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:22.980
I was thinking they were almost watching it last night.

867
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:24.480
It does look very similar, doesn't it?

868
00:49:24.539 --> 00:49:27.059
Like, actually, insist that they say I do.

869
00:49:27.179 --> 00:49:29.219
Yeah, so you should got some humour.

870
00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:32.219
Yeah, she's...

871
00:49:32.219 --> 00:49:33.719
It's very, very strange.

872
00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:43.380
Yeah, I think there must be lots of fanboys who hate this because Nathan, activate the particles.

873
00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:46.800
Some particles, but she's got more.

874
00:49:46.860 --> 00:49:52.739
Yeah, well, she's had 6 months and he's just, so, okay, they're both keys.

875
00:49:53.099 --> 00:49:55.559
What were you going to say about fanboys?

876
00:49:55.619 --> 00:49:57.420
No, well, just because she's ridiculous.

877
00:49:57.480 --> 00:49:58.380
Do you know what I mean?

878
00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:09.840
Like, she is, it's bizarre that there's a big red spider with a sort of comedy panto kind of style of talking that lives in the middle of the earth.

879
00:50:09.900 --> 00:50:11.400
It just seems absurd.

880
00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:14.159
So has she lived all this time?

881
00:50:14.460 --> 00:50:15.719
Or been in hibernation or what?

882
00:50:15.780 --> 00:50:20.159
Yeah, she's in the Webstar thing, I guess, for all that 1000000000s of years.

883
00:50:20.219 --> 00:50:21.360
So she's that old?

884
00:50:21.420 --> 00:50:22.440
I suppose.

885
00:50:22.500 --> 00:50:24.659
She's the only one who survived.

886
00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:25.920
She's pretty well preserved.

887
00:50:25.980 --> 00:50:27.239
Yeah she's looking good on it.

888
00:50:27.300 --> 00:50:28.320
Babies will be hungry.

889
00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:39.780
This episode has an advanced idea of silliness, which is, you know, what you need for Christmas, probably what, you know, some fans don't like.

890
00:50:40.260 --> 00:50:43.619
Something that's aware of its own silliness and relishes it.

891
00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:44.099
Yeah.

892
00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:45.900
There's an animus when you need it.

893
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:48.000
This hairdryer thing.

894
00:50:48.059 --> 00:50:49.079
Here we go.

895
00:50:49.139 --> 00:50:52.860
And it's the one thing she could do is cut things.

896
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:53.519
There goes Lance.

897
00:50:53.579 --> 00:50:54.539
Well, sorry.

898
00:50:54.539 --> 00:50:58.380
So they brought the Raknos back for Big Finish.

899
00:51:00.900 --> 00:51:03.659
But guess who they got to play her?

900
00:51:03.719 --> 00:51:06.719
Well, or an Empress.

901
00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:08.460
Ando.

902
00:51:13.019 --> 00:51:15.000
Right, okay, great.

903
00:51:15.059 --> 00:51:16.320
It should be great.

904
00:51:16.500 --> 00:51:19.619
Oh, lots of...

905
00:51:19.619 --> 00:51:29.519
All I can think about is in turn left later on where this happens. and people blame Ken Livingston for it.

906
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:38.579
And one of the most amusing performances, modern Doctor Who, the guy who comes into the pub and goes, everyone come out and look, it's a Christmas star.

907
00:51:41.579 --> 00:51:45.360
Really, the Webstar is to blame for Boris Johnson.

908
00:51:45.420 --> 00:51:46.320
Yep, yep.

909
00:51:58.860 --> 00:52:01.019
And so here's the doctor to flush them all down the sink.

910
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:05.880
I do think this episode ran out of story a little bit.

911
00:52:05.940 --> 00:52:08.760
This is a very protracted climax in one location.

912
00:52:08.820 --> 00:52:18.300
That this is...

913
00:52:20.579 --> 00:52:23.159
Oh, that's great.

914
00:52:23.219 --> 00:52:25.440
That's such a cartoon, isn't it?

915
00:52:25.500 --> 00:52:28.019
I heard a story, gives us a bit of comedy.

916
00:52:28.500 --> 00:52:31.559
Is there another screwball comedy, Doctor?

917
00:52:31.619 --> 00:52:33.119
Yeah, I think partner's in crime.

918
00:52:33.179 --> 00:52:35.639
Yeah No, absolutely right, yeah.

919
00:52:35.699 --> 00:52:36.599
But that's better.

920
00:52:36.659 --> 00:52:38.940
I love how he gives her one last chance.

921
00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:41.639
He has done a number of times.

922
00:52:41.639 --> 00:52:42.659
Yeah, that means.

923
00:52:43.019 --> 00:52:47.820
But I like, but like I like Donna's reaction to this.

924
00:52:47.880 --> 00:52:56.880
And again, like, um, you know, Donna's conclusion about the doctor needs someone to stop him.

925
00:52:56.940 --> 00:52:58.980
You know, he can't travel on his own.

926
00:52:59.039 --> 00:53:01.199
He needs someone who's a conscience.

927
00:53:01.260 --> 00:53:02.340
You know?

928
00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:07.860
This is, he's just very clever, writing, and relax.

929
00:53:08.219 --> 00:53:15.659
And they do, they come back to that in Pfizer, Pompeii, where they show don't tell, but the doctor needs someone to stop him and that's gone.

930
00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:17.880
Hilarious.

931
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:28.440
Of course they are. is significant.

932
00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:32.219
This is the 1st time this is mentioned.

933
00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:33.000
Yeah.

934
00:53:33.059 --> 00:53:33.840
Yeah.

935
00:53:34.860 --> 00:53:39.480
I wonder whether I was happy or sorry.

936
00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:44.940
He should have given it its full name, Caliph, and the constellation of Castobus.

937
00:53:45.059 --> 00:53:45.900
Yeah, it's long word.

938
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:48.420
It's longer than Rexaconica Falipatorian.

939
00:53:48.539 --> 00:53:57.239
Well, I think it's, I think it's just something a little, a little bit more history and we, we weren't bombarded with this back in episode one.

940
00:53:57.300 --> 00:53:57.960
No, that's right.

941
00:53:58.019 --> 00:53:59.219
That's absolutely right.

942
00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:01.800
Or in the very 1st opening monologue.

943
00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:11.519
So now is the time to introduce a little bit more and obviously it will come into significance down the track.

944
00:54:11.639 --> 00:54:12.960
Yeah, that's right.

945
00:54:13.019 --> 00:54:17.820
The end of, we need it to seat it now for the end of next year.

946
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:18.360
Yeah.

947
00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:22.440
Yeah, he does that really well, doesn't he?

948
00:54:22.500 --> 00:54:28.320
We've talked about that before, just gradually introducing a whole new generation to the mythology without overwhelming them.

949
00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:30.780
Where are those things coming from?

950
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:32.159
I don't know.

951
00:54:32.219 --> 00:54:36.000
This is a room that blows up for no reason, quite a lot, if the autons were down there.

952
00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:39.960
Is this a model shot or is this CGICG, I think?

953
00:54:40.019 --> 00:54:40.800
It's real.

954
00:54:40.860 --> 00:54:41.460
What?

955
00:54:41.519 --> 00:54:42.780
The plug is not real.

956
00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:43.739
It's all real.

957
00:54:44.460 --> 00:54:46.500
But there's a lot of water.

958
00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:48.840
I mean, they are spraying a lot of water all over the place.

959
00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:51.360
And she's not happy.

960
00:54:51.420 --> 00:54:53.099
Yeah, it's a model shot.

961
00:54:53.699 --> 00:54:56.280
The water's in slow mode.

962
00:54:56.340 --> 00:54:57.599
Yeah, the water is real, isn't it?

963
00:54:57.659 --> 00:54:59.039
To make it look.

964
00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:00.119
Yeah, you're right.

965
00:55:00.179 --> 00:55:08.099
Like, because it would be travelling down the plug hole much faster if it was, you've come a long way from that water superimposed over the doctor and Susan.

966
00:55:10.380 --> 00:55:12.900
Oh, the fish people ballet.

967
00:55:13.500 --> 00:55:15.239
Bring them back.

968
00:55:15.300 --> 00:55:17.519
Don't criticise the fish people ballet.

969
00:55:17.579 --> 00:55:22.739
I also think too that Russell does a good thing, you know, like they're her children.

970
00:55:22.860 --> 00:55:29.760
And so, you know, she's horrible, obviously, in a big spider and stuff, but there she is crying about her children dying.

971
00:55:29.820 --> 00:55:31.019
You feel pity.

972
00:55:31.079 --> 00:55:31.320
Yeah.

973
00:55:31.320 --> 00:55:39.119
And that family thing, like making the sardine or a big family and stuff like that, that's something that he does and the family of blood later.

974
00:55:39.179 --> 00:55:39.960
It's a family.

975
00:55:40.139 --> 00:55:49.559
And that's, you know, before that, the basic unit of alienness was a race, you know, like determined to conquer and destroy it.

976
00:55:49.619 --> 00:55:50.039
Yeah, yeah.

977
00:55:50.099 --> 00:55:50.820
Yeah, you're right.

978
00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:54.539
Servolan and her babies.

979
00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:55.199
Yes.

980
00:55:55.260 --> 00:55:56.699
She felt them die.

981
00:55:56.940 --> 00:56:02.039
I never understood, but I do now that, like, she's out of all of her.

982
00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:06.059
She's usually just, like, being she's defenceless, so then...

983
00:56:06.059 --> 00:56:07.679
This is Saxon can give an order.

984
00:56:07.739 --> 00:56:12.539
So this is our 2nd reference, our 1st reference in dialogue to Mr. Saxon.

985
00:56:12.599 --> 00:56:17.159
Probably even one in the 1st episode of next season at the end, I think.

986
00:56:17.219 --> 00:56:18.539
Oh yes, there is.

987
00:56:18.599 --> 00:56:21.420
The young doctor talks about, Mr. Saxon.

988
00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:23.219
But Mr. Saxon did appear.

989
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:30.300
He got mentioned in a newspaper in Love Monsters, which has references to Bad Wolf.

990
00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:32.099
Very subtle mention as far as...

991
00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:33.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

992
00:56:33.179 --> 00:56:40.619
It's hard to notice, but this is also the 2nd Christmas episode where the army or like earth forces blow up the invader.

993
00:56:41.519 --> 00:56:42.599
I like how that collapses.

994
00:56:42.659 --> 00:56:45.119
Yeah, yeah, a lot of confetti comes down.

995
00:56:45.179 --> 00:56:46.559
It's very seasonal.

996
00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:49.619
Very festive.

997
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:51.960
Christmas theme.

998
00:56:52.500 --> 00:57:02.880
Yeah, well, that moment in the last Christmas special where everyone's marvelling about how it's snowing in London and we just discover it's the ashes have burned up sick racks instead.

999
00:57:05.699 --> 00:57:08.099
Oh, a bit of comedy here.

1000
00:57:08.159 --> 00:57:10.739
That's great, isn't it?

1001
00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:12.119
Just spectacular.

1002
00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:19.139
And we're just in a suburban street.

1003
00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:20.400
Just wonderful.

1004
00:57:20.639 --> 00:57:22.860
This is such a lovely scene.

1005
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:23.940
Yeah, isn't it?

1006
00:57:24.780 --> 00:57:26.340
Yeah.

1007
00:57:26.400 --> 00:57:28.500
And just knowing now that she'll be back.

1008
00:57:31.559 --> 00:57:34.980
But by this point, you do want her to go with him.

1009
00:57:35.699 --> 00:57:38.039
But it's a good...

1010
00:57:38.099 --> 00:57:48.059
I actually think her arc is really very, very good because, you know, like what Lance said was that she's incurious about the world, that it's all celebrity gossip.

1011
00:57:48.119 --> 00:57:49.980
She can't point out Germany on a map.

1012
00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:51.900
You know, she's trivial.

1013
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:58.199
And, you know, that, you know, she wants to now make something of herself.

1014
00:57:58.260 --> 00:58:03.300
She wants to, you know, enjoy her life and do what the doctor does, but do it here on earth.

1015
00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:09.360
And she comes back from exploring the world and sort of and desperately wants to see the doctor again.

1016
00:58:09.420 --> 00:58:14.699
In fact, what I thought was really interesting and we'll get there, that she starts to do it, but then doesn't.

1017
00:58:14.760 --> 00:58:18.239
Oh, it's the 2nd time in a row that we make it snow.

1018
00:58:18.360 --> 00:58:21.179
The doctor makes it snow at Christmas in London.

1019
00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:23.820
Do we also do that spoiler next year?

1020
00:58:24.300 --> 00:58:26.280
Voyage of the Damned?

1021
00:58:26.340 --> 00:58:27.059
I can't remember.

1022
00:58:27.059 --> 00:58:29.579
With the Titanic.

1023
00:58:29.760 --> 00:58:31.440
Excitation.

1024
00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:34.679
That's a Doctor Who explanation.

1025
00:58:34.739 --> 00:58:36.179
But it's so important here.

1026
00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:39.000
Like, you could not have introduced Martha here.

1027
00:58:39.059 --> 00:58:46.800
You needed this character as a gap between the next long-term companion, and for him to come to terms with what he's lost.

1028
00:58:46.860 --> 00:58:48.659
Yeah, cool.

1029
00:58:48.719 --> 00:58:55.199
Equally, you couldn't have, although, you know, the reason that she's not in series 3 is because they didn't think they could get her.

1030
00:58:55.260 --> 00:58:56.039
Yeah, yeah.

1031
00:58:56.039 --> 00:59:03.539
I think it actually works better that she doesn't go with him here. for the for both characters.

1032
00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:10.199
Yeah, well, I like that she's learned something about him and that she gives him some advice.

1033
00:59:10.260 --> 00:59:16.199
It's, uh, And and she's not, not self-focused.

1034
00:59:16.380 --> 00:59:19.380
Although she does that little Donna what?

1035
00:59:19.380 --> 00:59:20.219
You couldn't.

1036
00:59:20.219 --> 00:59:23.579
It's actually Nan. doing mad.

1037
00:59:23.639 --> 00:59:27.179
But she's not so self-focused now as she was at the beginning of the episode.

1038
00:59:27.239 --> 00:59:33.659
And she's asked about this person that travelled with the doctor and here at the end.

1039
00:59:33.719 --> 00:59:36.119
Yeah, oh, that's beautiful, isn't it?

1040
00:59:36.719 --> 00:59:38.400
What was her name?

1041
00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:40.079
I think you need somebody.

1042
00:59:41.579 --> 00:59:43.559
Yeah, it's...

1043
00:59:43.559 --> 00:59:46.019
It's good, isn't it?

1044
00:59:46.079 --> 00:59:48.239
Also, Catherine Tate is so beautiful.

1045
00:59:48.300 --> 00:59:51.179
She's got such a beautiful, soft face.

1046
00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:51.960
Yeah.

1047
00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:52.559
Yeah.

1048
00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:54.900
You see her in close-up and your heart melts.

1049
00:59:55.019 --> 00:59:55.320
Yeah.

1050
00:59:56.340 --> 00:59:59.099
Is it a pleasant old young thing?

1051
01:00:00.420 --> 01:00:02.820
She older than the tenant?

1052
01:00:03.960 --> 01:00:07.139
I believe the only companion who's older than their doctor.

1053
01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:08.039
Yeah.

1054
01:00:08.099 --> 01:00:09.360
Not very much.

1055
01:00:09.420 --> 01:00:09.840
Is she?

1056
01:00:09.900 --> 01:00:10.380
No, not much.

1057
01:00:10.440 --> 01:00:12.840
I think she was like 2 years older than Tenant.

1058
01:00:12.900 --> 01:00:13.199
Right.

1059
01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:19.079
I mean, kindly substantially older than tenant, but spoiler alert, she doesn't last all that long.

1060
01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:25.500
Graham's older than his.

1061
01:00:25.559 --> 01:00:26.340
Yeah that's true.

1062
01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:26.940
Oh, yeah?

1063
01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:27.539
Now, yeah, yeah.

1064
01:00:28.260 --> 01:00:29.940
Oh, sorry, who?

1065
01:00:33.659 --> 01:00:35.219
I like him.

1066
01:00:35.280 --> 01:00:35.940
Thank you very much.

1067
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:40.199
I like how she knows that he's not going to come back.

1068
01:00:40.320 --> 01:00:41.099
Yes.

1069
01:00:41.159 --> 01:00:44.340
She knows that that's that's not a thing.

1070
01:00:44.400 --> 01:00:46.860
And he couldn't do Christmas dinner.

1071
01:00:46.920 --> 01:00:48.719
He couldn't do it with a new family.

1072
01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:51.179
Yeah, far too soon.

1073
01:00:51.239 --> 01:00:52.679
Bit of shoutiness, but here.

1074
01:00:56.099 --> 01:01:01.380
It's funny, the difference between the doctors because Matt Smith's really happy to sit down and have a Christmas dinner.

1075
01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:02.340
Yeah, gregarious.

1076
01:01:02.400 --> 01:01:03.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1077
01:01:04.019 --> 01:01:11.400
Well, and even that gets investigated a little bit in Day of the Doctor, I think, the difference between them.

1078
01:01:11.579 --> 01:01:15.000
Because people say that they're the doctors who are the most similar.

1079
01:01:15.059 --> 01:01:17.159
But no, they're not at all similar.

1080
01:01:17.219 --> 01:01:17.579
Yeah.

1081
01:01:17.579 --> 01:01:20.519
Sometimes you need someone to stop you.

1082
01:01:20.579 --> 01:01:23.639
It's just that they're both young with silly hair.

1083
01:01:23.699 --> 01:01:25.679
Yeah, they're just sort of, yeah, that's right.

1084
01:01:25.739 --> 01:01:30.840
Although, tenants got good hair and until about the doctor.

1085
01:01:30.900 --> 01:01:31.980
He won't next episode.

1086
01:01:32.519 --> 01:01:34.619
Until day of the doctor.

1087
01:01:34.679 --> 01:01:35.699
That hair is terrible.

1088
01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:39.119
It's obviously a week.

1089
01:01:39.179 --> 01:01:40.320
There's a story there.

1090
01:01:40.380 --> 01:01:41.340
I'll tell you later.

1091
01:01:41.400 --> 01:01:43.440
No, tell us how.

1092
01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:48.420
Oh, yes.

1093
01:01:51.480 --> 01:01:52.440
Look at him.

1094
01:01:52.500 --> 01:01:53.699
Look at that little broken face.

1095
01:01:54.059 --> 01:01:58.679
I remember watching this the 1st time and actually like feeling that emotion.

1096
01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:02.820
I'm a bit watching this in preparation for this.

1097
01:02:02.880 --> 01:02:04.019
It's well I love this.

1098
01:02:04.320 --> 01:02:06.719
And then another new effect.

1099
01:02:07.019 --> 01:02:09.360
It's awesome.

1100
01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:12.659
He just says that for cheap tricks.

1101
01:02:12.719 --> 01:02:16.380
I wonder how long they were outside filming this with that fake...

1102
01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:18.420
You know, I hope we see her again.

1103
01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:19.139
She was very good.

1104
01:02:19.199 --> 01:02:20.280
She was very good.

1105
01:02:20.340 --> 01:02:21.239
Very promising.

1106
01:02:21.300 --> 01:02:22.679
Oh, look, who's this?

1107
01:02:22.739 --> 01:02:23.699
Coming soon.

1108
01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:27.900
And so which episodes do we have here?

1109
01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:28.800
We got new earths.

1110
01:02:28.860 --> 01:02:31.199
We've got some Gridlock, Gridlock.

1111
01:02:31.320 --> 01:02:32.400
Episode two.

1112
01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:33.960
We don't mean newer.

1113
01:02:33.960 --> 01:02:35.880
Oh, the...

1114
01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:36.659
Well, not newer.

1115
01:02:36.659 --> 01:02:37.860
Smith and Jones.

1116
01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:38.820
We've got...

1117
01:02:38.820 --> 01:02:40.619
Yeah, the Dalek 2 parter.

1118
01:02:40.619 --> 01:02:42.059
Back to gridlock.

1119
01:02:42.119 --> 01:02:43.260
There's gridlock again.

1120
01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:43.980
More dialects.

1121
01:02:44.039 --> 01:02:44.400
Yeah.

1122
01:02:44.460 --> 01:02:47.280
We might have a bit of Lazarus thrown in.

1123
01:02:47.340 --> 01:02:48.840
No, I think we'll have to.

1124
01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:50.699
This one, this goes on forever, doesn't it?

1125
01:02:50.760 --> 01:02:56.039
And I guess, what, there's 3 months before we face a bow?

1126
01:02:56.099 --> 01:02:57.719
They're really trying to sell the new season.

1127
01:02:57.840 --> 01:03:00.719
Oh, it makes it look like the most exciting thing ever, which it almost was.

1128
01:03:00.780 --> 01:03:01.320
Yeah, yeah.

1129
01:03:01.380 --> 01:03:01.739
Yeah.

1130
01:03:01.800 --> 01:03:03.179
I think it's a great season.

1131
01:03:03.239 --> 01:03:05.039
Oh, look, there's Chris Quench.

1132
01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:09.179
Jeffrey Rush there with bad teeth.

1133
01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:12.059
I'll be a slicerous experiment.

1134
01:03:12.119 --> 01:03:14.400
I have such a soft swipe for Lazarus experiment.

1135
01:03:14.460 --> 01:03:16.440
I hope I don't hate it when I rewatch it.

1136
01:03:20.099 --> 01:03:22.559
You sure are, Mark.

1137
01:03:23.159 --> 01:03:26.760
Just because we need to have that.

1138
01:03:26.820 --> 01:03:27.480
Yeah.

1139
01:03:28.139 --> 01:03:29.639
There you go.

1140
01:03:29.699 --> 01:03:30.599
Oh that was really fun.

1141
01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:32.340
Final thoughts?

1142
01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:34.679
Look, I think it's fun and enjoyable.

1143
01:03:34.860 --> 01:03:36.960
I think you're right.

1144
01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:41.280
Peter, perhaps it does run out of story at points, but I think it's what you need at this point.

1145
01:03:41.340 --> 01:03:42.960
I don't think it's inspired.

1146
01:03:43.019 --> 01:03:46.860
I don't think it's something which has a big idea behind it or you're thinking, oh, that's clever.

1147
01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:50.159
It's fairly workmanlike, but it's dressed up in so much fun.

1148
01:03:50.940 --> 01:03:53.099
Oh, I think that's the thing, though.

1149
01:03:53.159 --> 01:03:59.159
It's a very straightforward, as you were saying earlier, it's a very straightforward story, but it's got such good actors, you know.

1150
01:03:59.219 --> 01:04:02.280
It's very visually engaging.

1151
01:04:02.340 --> 01:04:03.719
Individual scenes are really fun.

1152
01:04:03.780 --> 01:04:06.179
No, quite fun.

1153
01:04:06.300 --> 01:04:07.739
Cool.

1154
01:04:07.800 --> 01:04:11.639
Well, dear listener, that's all we have time for this week.

1155
01:04:11.699 --> 01:04:15.780
We'll be back in a very few weeks time with our coverage of series 3.

1156
01:04:16.019 --> 01:04:26.039
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts, and you can keep up with us at flightsthroughentirety.com, flights through entirety on Facebook, and at FT podcast on Twitter.

1157
01:04:26.099 --> 01:04:41.159
You can also find our series 11 flashcast, Jody Interterterra.com, and at Jody Interterra on Twitter, and our James Bond commentary podcast Bondfinger at Bondfinger.com, at Bondfinger on Facebook, and at Bondfingercast on Twitter.

1158
01:04:41.579 --> 01:04:52.019
Until next time, may you recover from that nasty bout of Spanish flu in time to meet the Jones family in Doctor Who's very next episode, Smith and Jones.

1159
01:04:52.079 --> 01:04:53.400
I'm Jonesing for it.

1160
01:04:53.460 --> 01:04:55.380
Kicking up with the Joneses.

1161
01:04:55.440 --> 01:04:56.039
Please.

1162
01:04:56.099 --> 01:04:58.019
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1163
01:04:58.079 --> 01:04:58.619
Good night.

1164
01:04:58.619 --> 01:04:59.280
See you soon.

1165
01:04:59.340 --> 01:05:00.059
Happy Christmas.