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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flights for Entirety, the

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only Doctor Who commentary podcast which spent all of 2006 either

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hung over or scuba diving in Spain and ended up missing any number

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of alien invasions as a result.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm James.

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I'm Todd.

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I'm Peter.

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So this is Christmas in July for flight through entirety.

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We are actually recording this on the day that we release it, much

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like a late Trouton episode, as Peter observed earlier, before I

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started recording.

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So we are currently on the um, DVD screen or the Blu-ray screen

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for um, series 3.

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And we've got the Runaway Bride selected.

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So when I next say the code word, I want you to press play on your

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remote control.

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Nathan, what is the code word?

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So the code word for this episode is Neres.

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Yes, I wanted to be that.

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So the next time I say that, I want you to press play.

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This is just going to be one off for us this week.

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We will be back in September for the rest of series three.

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Okay.

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So, uh, I'm I'm about to press play Neres.

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And we're off.

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Oh my god, I've put Rose on by a mistake.

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All the Christmas invasion.

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All the Christmas invasion.

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We did that at the Christmas invasion too.

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It's a bit of a thing, isn't it?

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11th power?

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Uh, maybe.

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I can't remember.

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But it certainly is him relaunching the show.

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This is our 1st post, um, rose episode.

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Oh, there's a dad.

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Yeah, apparently much loved amongst the casting crew.

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So the story is that he did come back for series 4 and shot a

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bunch of scenes, but was so ill that they couldn't be used.

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He recorded everything for, what's that episode called?

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Partners in Crime.

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And died shortly shortly afterwards.

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And so they had to quickly recast him and we ended up with

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Bernard.

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Yeah, Sir Bernard, which is a pretty good thing.

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His lands?

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Good old land.

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Don Gillis?

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Chile, Chile?

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not sure.

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Okay.

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Who, of course, went on to be an EastEnders, um, and was a very

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big character.

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He was great in that.

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And there she goes.

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He's very pretty.

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I really like that we go back because now, now, you know, we get

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the exterior establishing shot and we're back in the very final

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scene of doomsday.

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But not actually the same recording.

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It's not the same take, but we do it.

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Because the lighting in this episode was done by different

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lighting supervisor, they actually reshot the scene.

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Like refilming a cliffhanger prize in the old days.

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Hooray.

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It's a cheat because he, that lighting supervisor liked to like

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the TARDIS in a slightly different way and that wouldn't, it

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didn't cut together properly, so they had to, they had to redo

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that scene.

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I quite like how the TARDIS looks different in different episodes

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actually.

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Some people like to go. proper logo finally.

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Oh, yes, there we go.

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It looks the most impressive in Boomtown where they've let it

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strongly green for the sort of slithen undercurrents.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So Margaret's face is bathed in green, even when she's just, you

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know, a net and not a suit.

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Oh, she's shouting.

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She is shouting.

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The what?

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The what?

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Oh, dear.

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That's not even a proper word.

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Such a faint thing.

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Oh, you're listening to this episode.

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Yeah, our arse Lynn is good.

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We were pretty cross with him last year, I think, probably because

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he got a couple of duds.

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We were half cross with him.

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He got a couple of really good episodes too.

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Yeah, that is.

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Neres.

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And we know Neres already because it's just that person who is

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turning up her nose. in the wedding ceremony.

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That just has to be Neres.

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Well, and Neris comes back in the end of time.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Donna gathers everyone together and says photos with friends.

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Friends and Neres.

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She's made Neres be her bridesmaid this time and put her in

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something horrible.

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This is such a great choice and the music, I think, too.

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Like the music for this.

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Um, you know, really, really plays up the comedy.

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And I think you just have to do that because we straight out of

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the end of Doomsday.

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I mean, he was in Bad Wolf Bay projecting himself mere seconds

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before this opens, wasn't he?

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Yeah, and it's a bold call to go from something big like that and

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it's basically Doctor Who's 1st screwball comedy.

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But you've got Catherine Tate, and so... right to the occasion.

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She's so good.

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And of course, she started this scene at 11.

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Um, and like at 11 out of 10, um, and then pulls it back slowly

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through the episode.

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And I think when she was announced as coming back, people who were

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not that comfortable with her casting thought that she might be at

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11 all the time.

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Whereas actually they make some choices and make her into fully

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rounded character.

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I probably one of those people.

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And so I just felt, yeah, she's talking a little bit, but she

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basically screams through the 1st 13 minutes of this until they're

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up on the roof.

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And at that point, I was just there going, who is this woman?

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And then as they begin to have conversations and she begins to

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scale it back.

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I began to warm to her and well, I guess we'll get to that.

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But it's brilliant casting somebody well known in Britain.

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She just smacked him in the face. to deal with Billy Piper's

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departure to have this name in here. as such a contrast as well.

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And, you know, there is a through line both for her and for him.

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Oh, there's roses top.

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So as it's originally scripted and shot.

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The doctor grabs the shirt off her and opens the tartar store and

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throws it out and they cut it in editing because it was too

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melodraumatic.

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David Tennant.

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Too melodramatic even for David Tennant.

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It's interesting, Harry downplays this.

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I lost her and it's all very.

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I quite like this too.

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Like he doesn't respond, but she kind of, she's, you know, she's

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doing proper acting.

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It isn't all just, you know, her doing a sketch comedy or

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anything.

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Even at this point, she's doing proper acting.

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And later on, she's going to be great.

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And that's, you know, it just makes her the perfect choice to play

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the companion.

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Yes, her mum.

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Oh my god, she's great.

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Jacqueline?

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Yeah, Jackie King.

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She's Doctor Who's legendary is Jackie's.

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Yeah, yeah, great.

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Yeah, Jackie Hill.

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Jackie Lane.

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Yeah, Jackie Tyler.

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She's just terrific.

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And she's so good instantly.

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And again, she comes back as a semi-regular and gets to do some

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proper acting as well.

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You know, this is not her 1st Doctor Who either.

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What?

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She was in a big finish.

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Oh, wow.

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I've heard you were going to say that she was a zombie.

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Everyone's been in big finishing.

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You made a few equity cards.

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Yes.

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She was in one of the unbound audios.

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The Derek Jacoby one.

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Oh, wow.

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Oh, just great.

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I was also in one of the unbound audios.

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Sympathy for the devil. doing a terrible job.

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Did you get your acrupty card?

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Actually, David Tennant was in that one.

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So I met you, and this was before Doc 2, obviously.

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And so we just met in the green room and he was just, you know

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regular guy, little didn't know what have waited him.

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Yeah, wow.

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Just having the doctor shout out Donna now that we've heard him do

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that so many times. over series 4.

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It's strange watching it in like like this with the knowledge that

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she'll be back.

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Of course, we were saying, you know, she goes on to become

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wonderful.

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Here's what you get when you cast a proper star in a companion

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role.

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She's meant to be a guest role here, and so she's got proper style

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building, but then she comes back as a regular, and, you know

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there's a reason that she's so successful.

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But it's also, I think, when you cast comedians or people known

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for comedy in more serious roles.

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Like when they do the straight acting, there's just a gravitas

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that they bring to it in so many different. strange, isn't it?

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But it's a really common thing.

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I mean, I even think Bernard Cribbons, you know, who is a comedic

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actor.

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But I think you need, if you're a good comedian, you need to

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understand drama.

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And she certainly has proved that she understands how to play

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something dramatically.

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I love how Christmassy this is.

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We're back in the same street, actually, are we?

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We've just got like a few looks like Southside Henriks.

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Windows with Christmas and, you know, that...

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Blazing sunshine. in July.

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Apparently it was like 32, 33 degrees.

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That was a slice.

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Oh, I think I'm in drag.

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You're not fooling anyone there, mate.

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I think there's a slight nod to things later on where the doctor

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takes off his jacket and puts it around Donnery like, not

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convinced.

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They need to colour graders a bit more.

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Make it blow up.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It is very, it is really, really good.

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Lots of, um, leaves almost true as well.

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Look at David Tennant there.

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Just in the back of the cab.

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He didn't have any lines.

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He was like everything.

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Acting the whole way.

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He's just inhabits the character.

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You can tell these 2 got on really well.

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Yeah, filming this.

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They're wonderful.

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When she, you remember when they used to do sort of podcast

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commentaries that they would, they weren't commentaries, were

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they?

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They were just podcast episodes.

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Over commentaries.

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And the 2 of them together are just spectacularly funny.

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They've done, they did, I should say, at the time, several of

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those talk shows like Jonathan Ross and that.

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And whenever they were together, the chemistry just...

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I mean, Tenet is so he's so charismatic in that.

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Yeah, Tenet run is really cool.

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He's all arms when he runs Yeah, still not as funny as the Capoli

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run, though.

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Nothing is funnier than Peter Gavaldi running.

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Penguin open that's on fire.

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Yeah, that's right, but it was Armando Yunucci who said that.

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So he'd always arrange for scenes where Malcolm Tucker would have

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to run because Capaldi is just so hilariously coming.

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I just like everybody in the church is just walking around as if

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you know, I love a major emergency.

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Well, I love how this scene, how this scene is directed too, with

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the camera suddenly changing directions and following someone new

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who comes into the scene and having the vicar about to call the

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police.

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It is a police matter.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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It's so such a sunny day.

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Not exploding this year.

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They put it back together pretty quickly.

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Yes, they rebuilt the whole building.

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We got surprisingly cleaned out that basement.

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I completely skipped that she actually got a tenor off that

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woman.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Like, oh, yeah.

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Oh, look, they're back.

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They've been redesigned, so they look better.

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They did look a bit crummy.

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They were never the best idea.

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The 1st time round.

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Did you notice Donna's shoes in that scene?

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She'd been wearing sports shoes between takes and forgot to take

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them off for one of the takes.

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So if you look close, where you can see her in sports shoes.

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Aeros Starling.

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What is CGI four?

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And then we get a lot of really looking fake money.

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That's so great though.

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Dr. Stealing for the 1st time?

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Yes.

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Well, no, he stole TARDAS.

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Stole some clothes.

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Apparently there was the 10 and £20 notes.

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The £10 note said, I promised to be the bearer on demand the sum

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of 10 setsumas.

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And the £20 mate said, there's no point being grown up because you

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can't be a little childish.

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So if you swap that Satsuma, does that mean money grows on trees?

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We're here all week.

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She's very shouting.

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This is so great.

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Now, so last year, we saw the TARDIS interacting with the world in

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a completely new way where the TARDIS appears midair and sort of

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bashes against the walls of the power state, you know, and then

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just physically landing on the ground.

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But this, you know, this is something the TARDIS has never, ever

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done before.

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There's a couple of firsts here.

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Yeah, at the end as well.

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I think this is absolute, this blew my mind watching this, I

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thought. goodness, you know, to actually have a car chase with the

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TARDIS actually chasing it.

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Like, it's just the imagination of Russell combined with the

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technology.

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Yes.

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I think they might have shown this scene as a teaser for the

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episode at one of the music of the Spheres concerts. and you could

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hear her celebration.

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Yeah, you could hear the audience react in real time and they

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loved it.

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I remember that.

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I absolutely remember it.

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Look how sunny it is.

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Santa's a robot.

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That gloves has a microglime.

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It may possibly it's believable if you think now.

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That is so good.

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And the fact that she can't believe it either.

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You're kidding me.

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It's so great.

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I love these kids.

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I do too.

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Giving it an audience, giving it a giving like a child audience

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then.

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Placing the audience in the episode, yeah.

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And the string, he does it with a bit of string.

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It's so good.

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I mean, this is probably the best line of the episode coming up.

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Delivery.

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Look at that shot.

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Give it to us, Catherine.

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And is that a reference to, um, it looks like a reference to the

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seed in tear of the autons, where the doctor pulls the face mask

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off the, off the, um, policeman, and it's an auton face.

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Like he's kind of doing it again.

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A central called in...

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The confidential that they referenced.

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That's a different reference.

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If only Mike Yates had sailed in and rescued them here, it could

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have improved the episode.

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Maybe no episode that wouldn't be improved by Mikey Yates coming

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in and rescuing you, I think.

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Maybe chancing the centre of the Tartars.

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I actually like that episode.

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Still funny.

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I like how they just, he grabs that...

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Yeah, we are like locked in.

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Yeah.

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It's well told really efficiently told, isn't it?

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Oh, wow.

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It's so exciting and it's so visceral.

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Like just the shot of the road and all of that.

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It's it's properly, you know, nerve-wracking.

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You just know they would have had to have chosen every shot so

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carefully to save money.

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Who else has told it so economically?

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I love this.

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Like, you know, the friend you lost and...

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This is just, you know...

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And it's the 1st time that he's that he's actually vocalising that

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she's not dead.

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She's alive.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's this journey that he's going on during this episode.

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Well, I mean, we saw Christopher Eckleston's doctor hold out his

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hand for Linda with Hawaii to take and we saw how that turned

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out.

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I just love how it spins off in...

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Oh, and without a cut, her hand comes into shot or without a very

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obvious card.

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Oh, now this is interesting because these, I think, might have

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been some of the 1st scene shot for this.

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And there were Doctor Who fans watching the filming down below and

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they were trying to keep Catherine Tate a surprise so that when

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she appeared at the end of Doomsday, no one would know.

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And they could only see in long shot a woman wearing a bridal gown

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but couldn't see who it was.

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And so rumours were rampant, that it was Elizabeth Sladen.

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And Sarah was coming back.

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And you can kind of you can kind of see it.

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From there, look, we're from behind.

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She's got her long hair.

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Yes, with her with her canine and company hair, yes.

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So this is where I started to thaw.

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Yeah, his character and performance.

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Well, she's kind of resigned, isn't she?

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She's she's tired and she's resigned.

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And, uh, or does she know?

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And the actress is there, you know, being so good as she is, um

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peeling back the layers on the carriage.

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She knows that Donna's shoutiness is all a shield.

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She's deeply insecure and doesn't think she's very good at

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anything.

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And so when you get moments like this, she's just vulnerable.

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And we get, like, you know, we'll get there, but, you know, she's

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even more vulnerable later on.

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Cold, put that jacket around.

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Could snow at any moment.

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Another one of little Russell's things using just a an ordinary

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thing as a scientific explanation device.

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Yeah, even biodamp is a pretty well chosen word.

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Yeah, it's not gravitic anomalizer.

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It's a... telebiogenesis.

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I don't might be my brand of washing card.

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The robot Santas are hopeless, aren't they?

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What the hell are they?

419
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Oh, here we go.

420
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She hasn't.

421
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Yeah.

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And no one ever mentioned to her that there'd been a big

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spaceship.

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She'd never heard it.

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I love how that becomes a running theme.

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Her windows didn't shatter.

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Well, Moffatt, I think, kind of tries to put a line under it by

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giving it a science fiction explanation, doesn't it?

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The crack, you know, prevents everyone from remembering things

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which is, you know, but I kind of like it.

431
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It's, I don't know.

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Is it sustainable?

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Like, do we want Doctor Who said in our world or do we want Doctor

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Who said in a world where there've been lots of public alien

435
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invasions?

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Russell leans into it.

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I definitely want Doctor Who set in our world, but I want comedy

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explanations like the fact that Donna was often May Walker.

439
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That's fine.

440
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I'm good.

441
00:19:55.980 --> 00:19:56.579
Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, I agree with you, Peter.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, just hang a hat on it, like make it funny.

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Yeah.

446
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Did she punch you in the face?

447
00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:07.079
I'd say that to Tad last week.

448
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Stop bleeping me.

449
00:20:10.559 --> 00:20:13.440
It's not Peter, it's rich.

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Listeners, let's get back to the episode.

451
00:20:16.319 --> 00:20:18.119
Yeah, that's actually comedy flashbacks.

452
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Oh, yes.

453
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And look, this is Donna out of her...

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Battle gown.

455
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And so suddenly she looks like series 4, Donna.

456
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Yeah, yeah.

457
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Oh, me, me.

458
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Oh, yeah, have some coffee.

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It's really good in playing to her strengths.

460
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We have a really long exposition scene here and she's doing a head

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laugh.

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The sort of throw your head back when you laugh.

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And this, when we come back to, um, him begging her to marry him.

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He insisted.

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I actually think he's a very handsome man.

466
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He's very handsome.

467
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And actually his, as far as I recall, I don't know the character's

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name.

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I can't remember it.

470
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His EastEnders character had a similar trajectory that he got with

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Denise, who's a very beloved character, and was charming and then

472
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turned out to be a serial killer.

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I watched it.

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It was great.

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Which is so good.

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One of their banner years.

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So I think we discussed this when we were recording series two

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didn't we?

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This was originally scripted.

480
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Well, the Russell wanted this for mid-season series two.

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That's right, because Billy was originally going to leave at the

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halfway point.

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And like stay behind in Pete's world.

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And then when he found out from Jane Tranton that they've been

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renewed for a 3rd season and another Christmas special, he went

486
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well, actually, let's make that the Christmas special.

487
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Well, you can't half tell.

488
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I mean, there's no episode that's got Christmas shoe horned in as

489
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much as this one.

490
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Oh, bless.

491
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I was nearest dancing with Lance.

492
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She's made her move in her house.

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Oh my goodness.

494
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Ah, that's just wonderful.

495
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Setting it up.

496
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Oh, nerris.

497
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So great.

498
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You have the most promotional without me.

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Clear from steps.

500
00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:35.759
She does look like clap from steps.

501
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One of the girls from Mural's wedding who hates Muriels.

502
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Oh, the old one.

503
00:22:40.740 --> 00:22:42.240
Yeah, with Sophie Lee.

504
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Yes, yes, yes.

505
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Or monk or something like that?

506
00:22:44.880 --> 00:22:45.779
No, it's Sophie Lee.

507
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The doctor's really good in this 210, but yes, I gathered. is

508
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really like actually having him have to take a kind of backseat to

509
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someone who's much louder and bigger and shoutier.

510
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Like normally he's the centre of attention.

511
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But when Donna's in the room, he's kind of her sidekick.

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You can obviously mentally each time he sort of cocks his head

513
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like, I've just got to readjust my hearing.

514
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Okay, you got to...

515
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I love what she does.

516
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This is so subtle, isn't it, James?

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Everybody's like...

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She turns to it.

519
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It's fantastic.

520
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Putting up.

521
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The doctor realises what he's got on his hands, I think.

522
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It's wonderful, isn't it?

523
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And now, oh, a bit of grooving.

524
00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:37.680
This is actually really fun.

525
00:23:37.740 --> 00:23:38.400
It is.

526
00:23:38.460 --> 00:23:39.180
Yeah.

527
00:23:39.240 --> 00:23:41.099
Oh, smile.

528
00:23:41.099 --> 00:23:44.099
And this is actually a good moment for the doctor as well, I think

529
00:23:44.099 --> 00:23:48.180
where we get to reestablish because we get that flashback.

530
00:23:48.180 --> 00:23:49.980
Is it to Doomsday?

531
00:23:50.039 --> 00:23:54.779
I think it's to doomsday where he looks up and sees someone

532
00:23:54.779 --> 00:23:58.440
dipping someone on the dance floor and then remembers.

533
00:23:58.559 --> 00:24:01.259
Yeah, isn't it, isn't it from that season opener from last year?

534
00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:03.299
Oh, actually, it might be from what, from New Earth?

535
00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:06.900
Yes, where he dips the Lady Cassandra or something.

536
00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:08.039
Yeah, maybe that's it.

537
00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:08.940
Maybe that's it.

538
00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:10.799
It's really it's really cool.

539
00:24:10.859 --> 00:24:11.940
Torchwood?

540
00:24:11.940 --> 00:24:15.180
I wish I'd get my phone to have sort of block capitals that big on

541
00:24:15.180 --> 00:24:15.539
the screen.

542
00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:20.099
Isn't it incredible to think 2006 is using a WAP browser.

543
00:24:20.339 --> 00:24:22.200
It's so bad.

544
00:24:22.259 --> 00:24:23.400
WAP is crap.

545
00:24:23.460 --> 00:24:28.380
But did you notice the little, like, play button on the phone?

546
00:24:28.380 --> 00:24:33.720
Like, he actually had to start the video clip playing on the

547
00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:33.839
phone.

548
00:24:33.900 --> 00:24:34.980
Here you go, I think.

549
00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:39.119
There it is.

550
00:24:39.180 --> 00:24:39.839
There it is.

551
00:24:39.900 --> 00:24:40.440
Yeah, it is.

552
00:24:40.500 --> 00:24:42.539
It's chips in the background there.

553
00:24:42.599 --> 00:24:42.900
Yeah.

554
00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:43.440
Yeah.

555
00:24:44.460 --> 00:24:46.259
Yeah.

556
00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:47.940
No, that's good.

557
00:24:48.059 --> 00:24:51.480
He's and then he stops wallowing in it really visibly.

558
00:24:51.539 --> 00:24:53.819
He's working through this game.

559
00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:57.660
And now we've got somebody with a huge video camera, which these

560
00:24:57.660 --> 00:24:58.319
days well...

561
00:24:58.319 --> 00:25:01.140
No, you just do it on your phone, or GoPro or something.

562
00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:03.180
Or tape the whole thing.

563
00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:09.839
I think one of the friends in Gavin and Stacy.

564
00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:13.019
Oh, I don't know, possibly.

565
00:25:13.200 --> 00:25:15.660
Wasn't everybody in Wales?

566
00:25:15.660 --> 00:25:16.680
Stacy.

567
00:25:18.660 --> 00:25:23.700
I quite like how everyone sort of, you know, this sort of amazing

568
00:25:23.700 --> 00:25:28.079
space thing happens and again, they all just kind of ignore it or

569
00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:29.039
rationalise it or whatever.

570
00:25:29.099 --> 00:25:30.240
Some stupid joke.

571
00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:31.559
It's just dismissed.

572
00:25:31.619 --> 00:25:34.799
I mean, in fact, Jackie's angry at Donna because that's a kind of

573
00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:38.099
default mode. blamed on her.

574
00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:40.920
I like there where they rewind the tape.

575
00:25:40.980 --> 00:25:43.920
It does the thing where it only happens in film TV where it makes

576
00:25:43.920 --> 00:25:45.180
the...

577
00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:46.380
It never does in real life.

578
00:25:46.440 --> 00:25:48.839
It's like when they hit a button on a remote in American

579
00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:51.960
television, it goes, click, and you think, no, nobody works

580
00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:52.319
click.

581
00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:54.900
Santas are coming back.

582
00:25:54.960 --> 00:25:59.519
I also think too that he was obviously standing in the place where

583
00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:03.240
Auros put the cameraman because he's actually, you know, what he

584
00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:05.640
taped is very opening scene.

585
00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:12.960
Yeah, I think this is slightly naughty, isn't it?

586
00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:16.319
Like to have people being exploded at the reception and then we

587
00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:17.099
don't care about it.

588
00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:21.420
I was slightly disappointed with this coming up sequence because

589
00:26:21.420 --> 00:26:25.980
we we've got a Christmas tree and I really liked the original

590
00:26:25.980 --> 00:26:28.559
Christmas tree, Jackie, when it was spinning around.

591
00:26:28.619 --> 00:26:30.480
I actually wanted the tree to spin.

592
00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:34.079
Yeah, I guess he felt he had to he'd done that and now let's do

593
00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:34.680
something different.

594
00:26:34.740 --> 00:26:38.279
Yeah, even if the bubble things had spun out from the tree.

595
00:26:38.339 --> 00:26:40.680
I just wanted the tree to snare.

596
00:26:41.819 --> 00:26:46.019
It is slightly like the Moldavian massacre from dynasty where all

597
00:26:46.019 --> 00:26:48.779
of these exploding globes go off and then everyone picks them

598
00:26:48.779 --> 00:26:50.400
souls up and dusts themselves off.

599
00:26:50.460 --> 00:26:55.019
We get a line about people being out..

600
00:26:56.759 --> 00:26:59.819
That's not very good, CGI.

601
00:27:00.180 --> 00:27:03.480
Do you think if Donna got the line, I'm going to be killed by a

602
00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:04.019
Christmas tree.

603
00:27:04.019 --> 00:27:05.099
She'd do it better than Jackie.

604
00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:06.119
No.

605
00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:07.680
Thanks, Todd.

606
00:27:07.740 --> 00:27:10.619
No, that is one of the most brilliant.

607
00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:13.799
Yeah, that hair is so late 2000s.

608
00:27:13.859 --> 00:27:15.240
Thank you, James.

609
00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:19.380
Are we in this episode, Peter?

610
00:27:19.380 --> 00:27:24.839
It's, I mean, it's sort of quite well done.

611
00:27:24.900 --> 00:27:27.960
Oh, mate, the cake sitting there, so it's got to go at some

612
00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:28.140
point.

613
00:27:28.259 --> 00:27:31.259
Oh, that was awesome.

614
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:32.400
He's a member of havoc.

615
00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:36.960
So Alan Chuntz or...

616
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:38.880
Cake wick is by Howick.

617
00:27:44.940 --> 00:27:48.059
I don't think this is an especially inspired story.

618
00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:53.339
I think the mechanics of it are pretty workmanlike, but it's been

619
00:27:53.339 --> 00:27:54.480
dressed up really well.

620
00:27:54.539 --> 00:27:57.779
There's a lot of entertaining scenes to keep it going.

621
00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:00.180
Well, I think that that's the Christmas thing, isn't it?

622
00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:02.160
Like, it is sort of paper thin.

623
00:28:02.220 --> 00:28:06.059
Like there's, we'll get, um, you know, there's all kinds of

624
00:28:06.059 --> 00:28:09.119
dialogue that gets in there to kind of paper over sort of pretty

625
00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:11.279
gaping kind of plot problems.

626
00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:14.460
It's just like science fiction dialogue and stuff.

627
00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:15.839
Oh, I got the shakes.

628
00:28:15.900 --> 00:28:18.839
I mean, but this is good, you know, it's a sonic screwdriver and

629
00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:21.720
there's always a big PA system at a wedding.

630
00:28:21.779 --> 00:28:22.319
That makes sense.

631
00:28:22.380 --> 00:28:24.240
That's, you know, that's all right.

632
00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:28.380
It has to be, I think, a fun episode to an extent, considering

633
00:28:28.380 --> 00:28:29.279
what we've just gone through.

634
00:28:29.339 --> 00:28:30.779
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

635
00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:33.599
And like when did Doomsday screen?

636
00:28:33.660 --> 00:28:35.279
It must have been July.

637
00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:36.000
July?

638
00:28:36.059 --> 00:28:36.359
Okay.

639
00:28:36.420 --> 00:28:40.740
So we haven't had Doctor Who for 6 months and making it fun, making

640
00:28:40.740 --> 00:28:44.940
sure that we know that it's not all going to be super overwrought

641
00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:49.980
while also not making the doctor appear callous for, you know

642
00:28:49.980 --> 00:28:54.240
forgetting Rose and going off with someone else, like as a kind of

643
00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:54.779
fine line.

644
00:28:54.839 --> 00:29:00.720
If you're in the UK, I mean, we got this in June 2007.

645
00:29:00.900 --> 00:29:01.920
Oh, did we?

646
00:29:01.980 --> 00:29:04.980
Yes, we've got it 2 days before Smith and Jones.

647
00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:11.099
Oh, and in Canada, because of the scheduling, this was broadcast 3

648
00:29:11.099 --> 00:29:12.960
or 4 hours after Smith and Jones.

649
00:29:13.740 --> 00:29:15.299
How weird.

650
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:18.960
Yeah, I think Russell got it exactly right.

651
00:29:19.019 --> 00:29:22.140
I mean, his Christmas specials sometimes get criticised for being

652
00:29:22.140 --> 00:29:26.640
too populist, but the series was on upward trajectory here.

653
00:29:26.700 --> 00:29:30.420
You just come off a really successful season that had a very, very

654
00:29:30.420 --> 00:29:31.500
successful conclusion.

655
00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:33.240
And then he comes back Christmas.

656
00:29:33.299 --> 00:29:36.539
He does something really He does something really sort of

657
00:29:36.539 --> 00:29:39.960
interesting and wide-ranging, which anyone can watch.

658
00:29:40.019 --> 00:29:41.519
Just boosted series profile.

659
00:29:41.579 --> 00:29:44.400
I love the direction there when they look up and then you've got

660
00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:45.480
her pointer.

661
00:29:45.539 --> 00:29:47.759
Yeah, and that's that's live.

662
00:29:47.819 --> 00:29:48.779
That's not mad at Ian.

663
00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:52.380
That's, you know, that's her tapping a screen.

664
00:29:52.500 --> 00:29:56.579
It doesn't always get to me when you've got these aliens that have

665
00:29:56.579 --> 00:29:59.940
these pointer sort of hands that, you know, how could they

666
00:29:59.940 --> 00:30:02.400
actually come up with technology or do anything practical?

667
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:04.559
No, exactly.

668
00:30:04.619 --> 00:30:06.480
Dalek sucker control.

669
00:30:06.539 --> 00:30:10.380
But I mean, she, this is a panto performance, isn't it?

670
00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:13.859
She's a sort of pantomime villain and she has that odd way of

671
00:30:13.859 --> 00:30:14.759
speaking and stuff.

672
00:30:14.819 --> 00:30:16.799
But it's that's a deliberate choice.

673
00:30:16.859 --> 00:30:17.640
Yeah.

674
00:30:17.700 --> 00:30:21.000
It's Sarah Parrish, who I think had worked with David Ten on a

675
00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:21.539
previous series.

676
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:23.519
So this black film together.

677
00:30:23.579 --> 00:30:24.539
Blackpool.

678
00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:27.539
Actually, definitely not just Blackpool or something else as

679
00:30:27.539 --> 00:30:27.720
well.

680
00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:29.519
Here we go.

681
00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:38.519
There we go.

682
00:30:38.579 --> 00:30:40.619
It's a fantastic running gag.

683
00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:41.519
It's...

684
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:47.099
I like the fact that it's an interracial couple again, a bit like

685
00:30:47.099 --> 00:30:51.119
um, well, um, Rose and Mickey, Rosa Mickey.

686
00:30:51.180 --> 00:30:51.420
Yep.

687
00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:52.019
Yeah, yeah.

688
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:55.200
And when Donna gets married in the end of time as well.

689
00:30:55.259 --> 00:30:57.359
What's his what's that character goal?

690
00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:00.420
His last name's Temple.

691
00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:03.420
I want to say Simon Temple.

692
00:31:03.420 --> 00:31:04.799
I don't think that's right.

693
00:31:04.859 --> 00:31:08.220
So, of course, she's called Donna Noble because of Donna Nobi's

694
00:31:08.220 --> 00:31:08.819
Parkem.

695
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:09.900
Like, give us peace.

696
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:13.799
It's in Christmas carols, so she has a Christmassy name and then

697
00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:16.500
she gets stuck with that for, you know, the rest of the run.

698
00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:23.819
Hello, that line in the thighs of Pompeii, where the suits say

699
00:31:23.819 --> 00:31:25.559
it's you who call yourself noble.

700
00:31:25.619 --> 00:31:26.279
Yeah, yeah.

701
00:31:29.819 --> 00:31:33.000
Everybody's a bit shouty in this, aren't they?

702
00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:34.680
Yeah, I kind of, I like Lance.

703
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:38.279
And again, Lance will, you know, when he reveals that he's really

704
00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:43.920
with the big spider lady, he'll start doing a panto performance as

705
00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:44.160
well.

706
00:31:44.220 --> 00:31:46.980
So he can get he gets to be a panto signkick.

707
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:50.400
I think Russell knows that, you know, it's just a big old spider

708
00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:52.680
and so what he gives the Queen of the Rachnos is a sense of

709
00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:52.980
humour.

710
00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:56.039
She thinks everything's funny and she appreciates Lance because

711
00:31:56.039 --> 00:31:56.519
he's funny.

712
00:31:56.579 --> 00:32:00.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah. rather than just being straight laced.

713
00:32:00.180 --> 00:32:02.819
It's nice to have that in your panto villain.

714
00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:04.319
Yeah, no, that's good.

715
00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:12.059
I think Don is doing a great job and totally selling. don't

716
00:32:12.059 --> 00:32:12.720
suspect him for a moment.

717
00:32:12.779 --> 00:32:15.539
I like this, the honour and obey.

718
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:19.980
Slightly sexist.

719
00:32:20.099 --> 00:32:23.519
We're about to descend into the millennium stadium corridors as

720
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:23.819
usual.

721
00:32:23.819 --> 00:32:27.539
It's sort of lit with some green and blue gels in Blake 7

722
00:32:27.539 --> 00:32:27.960
fashion.

723
00:32:28.019 --> 00:32:28.619
Yep.

724
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:31.140
It's Ed Thomas on a very good day.

725
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:32.819
With a dalek lurking around the corner.

726
00:32:33.420 --> 00:32:35.519
Yes, here we are.

727
00:32:35.579 --> 00:32:37.559
This must be like a one. green.

728
00:32:38.819 --> 00:32:44.279
It reminds me of the storm cage thing that, well, there's a good

729
00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:44.640
reason for that.

730
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:48.000
It's the same place.

731
00:32:48.059 --> 00:32:50.160
There's a missing product placement.

732
00:32:50.220 --> 00:32:50.759
Oh, here we go.

733
00:32:50.819 --> 00:32:51.539
I was about to say.

734
00:32:51.660 --> 00:32:54.000
Weren't these scooter things fairly new at the time?

735
00:32:54.059 --> 00:32:54.960
Segues.

736
00:32:55.019 --> 00:32:56.099
LA segues?

737
00:32:56.220 --> 00:32:56.819
Yeah.

738
00:32:56.819 --> 00:32:59.160
What do you say, Wayne, too?

739
00:32:59.220 --> 00:33:00.599
thank you.

740
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:06.420
Actually, it's really great, isn't it?

741
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:09.180
With Lance kind of looking on.

742
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:12.660
You know, like the 2 of them are just sparking so well.

743
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:15.599
Like the 2 of them are really both enjoying it.

744
00:33:15.660 --> 00:33:18.240
And actually, I meant to say when they were having their little

745
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:20.940
conversation when she was in the taxi and he's in the Tartars

746
00:33:20.940 --> 00:33:22.019
trying to coax her across.

747
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:26.519
It was reminiscent in reverse fashion of the scene in partners in

748
00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:28.859
crime, whether on opposite sides of the room talking to each other

749
00:33:28.859 --> 00:33:29.400
through the doors.

750
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:31.259
Yeah, gosh, that's great.

751
00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:32.880
I was thinking about that the other day.

752
00:33:32.940 --> 00:33:33.779
That's so genius.

753
00:33:33.900 --> 00:33:36.119
One of the key scenes of modern dot two.

754
00:33:36.180 --> 00:33:38.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely brilliant.

755
00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:43.559
Of course, if this was Christmas in the UK, it would not still be

756
00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:46.319
sunlight after up to 4 o'clock.

757
00:33:46.380 --> 00:33:46.920
Yeah, yeah.

758
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:48.779
Oh my god, maybe they're in a mini scoop.

759
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:52.920
Yeah, it was 3.10 p.m. earlier on on the roof, wasn't it?

760
00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:53.700
Yeah.

761
00:33:53.700 --> 00:33:55.920
That time for that dinosaur to appear.

762
00:33:55.980 --> 00:33:58.980
That was very close at what, like 430, 5 o'clock.

763
00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:01.980
Lance rips off his mask and there's major daily.

764
00:34:02.819 --> 00:34:04.740
Captain Yates.

765
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:07.559
Ian Marta.

766
00:34:13.619 --> 00:34:16.019
Oh, and now we're on top of that.

767
00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:22.139
And again, I've spoken a couple of times about the way that

768
00:34:22.139 --> 00:34:25.559
Russell enchants London, the way that he fills it full of sort of

769
00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:27.900
science fiction superbases and stuff.

770
00:34:28.019 --> 00:34:34.559
And here we have that lampshaded as a joke. you know, the secret

771
00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:37.619
base hidden underneath a major landmark in London, you know, who

772
00:34:37.619 --> 00:34:38.639
could imagine such a thing.

773
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:43.019
Oh, is that the torchwood symbol?

774
00:34:43.139 --> 00:34:44.159
It is the torture symbol.

775
00:34:44.219 --> 00:34:47.159
It's the 2nd time we've seen it because it was on another door.

776
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:50.340
HC Clements is owned wholly by torture.

777
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:51.059
Yeah, yeah.

778
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:53.579
So...

779
00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:54.539
Yeah, yeah.

780
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:54.900
Okay.

781
00:34:54.900 --> 00:34:58.019
Are these things, Todd, you've seen this more recently than me, but

782
00:34:58.019 --> 00:35:04.800
do they reuse these props for the for Daleks in Manhattan?

783
00:35:04.860 --> 00:35:06.480
All these tubes and stuff.

784
00:35:07.019 --> 00:35:08.880
Oh, they might well.

785
00:35:08.940 --> 00:35:11.039
Yeah, I don't think I don't think there was anything new in

786
00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:11.820
those.

787
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:17.880
I was thinking back to New Earth, but with all those tubes in the

788
00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:18.179
lift.

789
00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:20.159
But no, yeah, you're probably right.

790
00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:22.019
Do they multicolour them?

791
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:22.800
Maybe.

792
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:24.179
It looks great.

793
00:35:24.300 --> 00:35:27.059
It's pretty effective. looks good here.

794
00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:27.599
Yeah, yeah.

795
00:35:31.019 --> 00:35:35.099
I like all of the doctor's simple explanations like he had the cup

796
00:35:35.099 --> 00:35:38.400
and the pencil before and now this Russell makes it so

797
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:38.940
accessible.

798
00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:41.519
Yeah, he does a really really good job of that.

799
00:35:41.579 --> 00:35:43.619
Maybe more than anyone else, I think.

800
00:35:43.739 --> 00:35:47.400
And David's done that thing that all of the modern doctors have

801
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:48.539
done, where he's come back.

802
00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:51.059
He's refreshed after doing his 1st series has gone out.

803
00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:52.199
He knows it's been a success.

804
00:35:52.260 --> 00:35:55.619
He comes back and the 1st thing he shoots, he's just markedly more

805
00:35:55.619 --> 00:35:57.480
comfortable and confident in the role.

806
00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:01.079
You see it with Matt Smith in Christmas Carol and Peter Capaldi.

807
00:36:01.139 --> 00:36:01.559
Yeah.

808
00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:03.000
Yeah, so agree.

809
00:36:03.059 --> 00:36:05.579
Well, it certainly Matt Smith and Christmas Carol. kind of like

810
00:36:05.579 --> 00:36:09.900
Moffatt now knows what Matt's good at and just writes for that.

811
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:12.780
You know, it's a real kind of showcase for him.

812
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:16.440
I have a hunch the 1st thing Matt shot after the series had gone

813
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:19.920
out and he knew that he'd been a hit was the Sarah Jane Adventure

814
00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:21.840
story and you can tell he's totally on top in that.

815
00:36:21.900 --> 00:36:23.460
It's like he knows what he's doing.

816
00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:26.280
You won particles.

817
00:36:26.340 --> 00:36:28.980
Yeah, they're from Tasmanian trees.

818
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:29.820
Who are they?

819
00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:30.239
No.

820
00:36:30.420 --> 00:36:33.179
It's a bit of a human cry.

821
00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:33.960
Oh, please.

822
00:36:37.019 --> 00:36:38.579
There should have been Huath particles.

823
00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:44.579
The spiders, yes. spelt with lots of peas and D's.

824
00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:47.820
Oh, and then a very big door.

825
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:51.539
Yes, and a drain because you know what you do with a spider in

826
00:36:51.539 --> 00:36:55.079
England if you find a spider in your house, you wash it down the

827
00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:55.440
sink.

828
00:36:56.519 --> 00:36:58.980
So, and it looks like a sink.

829
00:36:59.099 --> 00:37:02.039
It looks like a plug hole. like 3 o'clock in the morning.

830
00:37:02.099 --> 00:37:05.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's terrific.

831
00:37:05.460 --> 00:37:08.940
It's not sort of referencing dialogue or anything, but it's very

832
00:37:08.940 --> 00:37:10.139
clearly what you do.

833
00:37:10.380 --> 00:37:16.320
You could, I could imagine Carolan Ford down there. this hole.

834
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:20.880
Sheltered by Billy as they try not to have the tap tone.

835
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:23.159
I didn't get you for a moment.

836
00:37:23.219 --> 00:37:27.480
It's one of my favourite cliffhangers. someone might turn the tap

837
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:27.780
on.

838
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:30.900
Just tremendous.

839
00:37:30.900 --> 00:37:32.280
When you put it like that.

840
00:37:32.340 --> 00:37:35.940
Why is Jonathan there a dinosaurs under the earth?

841
00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:40.619
It's such a bizarrely random, random little conversation.

842
00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:42.480
She's seen the lost world.

843
00:37:42.539 --> 00:37:44.639
Change to the centre of the air.

844
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:46.739
In the sky.

845
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:50.219
But it is that thing about Donna being an idiot as well, which

846
00:37:50.219 --> 00:37:51.659
Lance kind of says.

847
00:37:51.780 --> 00:37:54.360
So we're saying the 1st thing that comes into our head.

848
00:37:54.420 --> 00:37:55.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

849
00:37:56.039 --> 00:37:56.579
Yeah.

850
00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:00.599
So are we going to get to see her?

851
00:38:00.659 --> 00:38:02.400
She is about to appear.

852
00:38:04.019 --> 00:38:06.599
That's great line.

853
00:38:06.659 --> 00:38:07.260
Very funny.

854
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:08.699
Here we go.

855
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:09.900
You will be sick at home.

856
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:12.239
So this spider.

857
00:38:12.300 --> 00:38:13.800
How much of it's practical?

858
00:38:13.860 --> 00:38:15.360
Most of it.

859
00:38:15.420 --> 00:38:18.239
I think, yeah, most apart from her extra eyes.

860
00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:18.960
Right.

861
00:38:19.019 --> 00:38:21.780
So that's actually a prop, a big giant prop.

862
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:27.300
It's her in a giant hydraulic suit.

863
00:38:27.420 --> 00:38:28.500
It's extraordinary.

864
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:30.300
It doesn't move more.

865
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:32.699
Like, it just moves on the spot up and down, as opposed to.

866
00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:33.539
Yeah, yeah.

867
00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:35.880
But it does, I mean, it looks incredible.

868
00:38:36.059 --> 00:38:40.500
So the, yeah, the eyes were, the eyes were CG when they blinked.

869
00:38:40.619 --> 00:38:41.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

870
00:38:41.579 --> 00:38:43.079
So all of her eyes blink at the same time.

871
00:38:43.139 --> 00:38:45.360
But otherwise that's just her in a big suit.

872
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:47.519
That's incredible.

873
00:38:47.940 --> 00:38:50.159
She looks a little too human.

874
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:54.300
Yeah, I know, but it's, I mean, you know, like it's Doctor Who.

875
00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:56.099
They all be a human.

876
00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:57.119
She still looks great.

877
00:38:57.239 --> 00:38:58.019
Yeah.

878
00:38:58.079 --> 00:38:58.679
Yeah.

879
00:38:58.860 --> 00:39:01.679
And it is also the performance.

880
00:39:01.739 --> 00:39:05.699
Like somehow she's managing to deliver a really kind of fun and

881
00:39:05.699 --> 00:39:08.760
appealing performance despite, you know, I mean, that must have

882
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:09.539
been a nightmare.

883
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:12.960
Oh, Mr. Robinson's shoes.

884
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:18.900
The laugh.

885
00:39:25.619 --> 00:39:27.480
Oh, Lord.

886
00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:29.699
This is great. having a joke with the ragnos.

887
00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:30.360
Yeah.

888
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:32.280
He's really horrible.

889
00:39:32.579 --> 00:39:37.380
And it is actually also kind of a funny speech as well.

890
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:42.300
Like the that last speech where he's horrible to Donna is, you

891
00:39:42.300 --> 00:39:42.539
know.

892
00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:46.440
But it's so donna that she's managing, like she's talking and

893
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:49.440
talking and talking, you know, to distract someone.

894
00:39:49.500 --> 00:39:50.940
Yeah. big thing.

895
00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:59.760
Apparently, this outfit really stuffed up Sarah Parrish's bag.

896
00:39:59.820 --> 00:40:02.340
Oh, I can imagine it would mean enough.

897
00:40:02.340 --> 00:40:02.760
I understand.

898
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:06.599
Because she's kind of she's kind of lying down in it.

899
00:40:09.659 --> 00:40:11.460
But sort of vertical?

900
00:40:11.519 --> 00:40:11.940
Yeah.

901
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:16.019
It's funny.

902
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:17.519
Oh, dear.

903
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:22.320
Oh, and he's twigged to it before she has.

904
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:23.579
It's just horrible.

905
00:40:23.579 --> 00:40:28.380
It's the one I really feel... it's just dreadful Yeah, yeah.

906
00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:31.079
I can't even point to Germany on a map.

907
00:40:31.139 --> 00:40:34.320
So do you think the EastEnders writers saw this episode and

908
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:36.239
deliberately referenced?

909
00:40:38.699 --> 00:40:42.659
I mean, certainly, you can see the roots of his character in the

910
00:40:42.659 --> 00:40:43.019
performance.

911
00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:47.579
So he has known for a long time, hasn't he?

912
00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:50.940
The doctor's known that Lance has been dosing him with the Huon

913
00:40:50.940 --> 00:40:51.480
particles.

914
00:40:51.539 --> 00:40:53.880
Like he's worked about, presumably in the lab.

915
00:40:53.940 --> 00:40:54.840
Well, I don't know.

916
00:40:54.900 --> 00:40:56.639
I mean, he's right out just then.

917
00:40:56.820 --> 00:40:59.820
I kept giving him suspicious looks earlier.

918
00:40:59.880 --> 00:41:01.320
I don't know.

919
00:41:01.380 --> 00:41:02.460
I have to go back and watch.

920
00:41:02.460 --> 00:41:03.480
Oh yeah, I didn't know.

921
00:41:03.539 --> 00:41:04.679
Oh, okay.

922
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:06.000
So he has personnel.

923
00:41:07.739 --> 00:41:10.079
She's seen lots of films.

924
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:19.559
And again, you know, when she's blustery.

925
00:41:19.619 --> 00:41:22.139
Like, this is this is what Donna's like when she's properly

926
00:41:22.139 --> 00:41:22.500
upset.

927
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:27.179
You know, and we see it over and over again in series four.

928
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:28.679
She's so good.

929
00:41:29.340 --> 00:41:30.900
Yeah.

930
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:32.940
You know, she's not yelling back.

931
00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:35.639
No, it's really heartbreaking.

932
00:41:35.699 --> 00:41:36.599
It's that line.

933
00:41:36.659 --> 00:41:39.179
The never ending fountain of fat, stupid tripping.

934
00:41:39.300 --> 00:41:39.960
Maybe a fat.

935
00:41:40.019 --> 00:41:42.000
Oh, it's just awful. good, isn't it?

936
00:41:42.059 --> 00:41:42.900
It's so well written.

937
00:41:49.019 --> 00:41:49.679
Oh, yuck.

938
00:41:50.579 --> 00:41:52.019
Wow.

939
00:41:52.139 --> 00:41:54.480
That's what made it so easy.

940
00:41:54.539 --> 00:41:56.219
It's yeah.

941
00:41:57.960 --> 00:42:00.239
Yeah, it's good, isn't it?

942
00:42:00.300 --> 00:42:02.579
I mean, this is her doing a proper reaction to something that is

943
00:42:02.579 --> 00:42:03.840
just ludicrous.

944
00:42:03.900 --> 00:42:06.840
I mean, you know, like a woman dress is a big giant spider and, you

945
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:08.940
know, they're both doing comedy panther.

946
00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:09.840
She called a lady earlier.

947
00:42:09.900 --> 00:42:10.920
I said, listen, lady.

948
00:42:14.099 --> 00:42:17.460
Yeah, and the doctor's not got a whole lot to do, but David

949
00:42:17.460 --> 00:42:19.619
Tennant, as usual, acting his socks off.

950
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:20.340
Oh, that's so funny.

951
00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:22.139
Who's this little physician?

952
00:42:22.260 --> 00:42:23.820
Oh, dear.

953
00:42:26.940 --> 00:42:28.920
So what he's down there?

954
00:42:28.980 --> 00:42:30.539
Satist?

955
00:42:32.219 --> 00:42:34.320
The camera's going to come up.

956
00:42:34.980 --> 00:42:38.880
Oh, couldn't this episode be improved nicely by the addition of

957
00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:39.420
Ida?

958
00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:40.440
Yeah.

959
00:42:49.500 --> 00:42:50.219
Oh here we go.

960
00:42:55.019 --> 00:42:58.860
Oh, he got the, did he pick up the remote control earlier?

961
00:42:58.980 --> 00:43:00.539
Yes.

962
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:01.260
We saw him do that?

963
00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:04.619
It's one of those big old sort of noisy remote controllers.

964
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:05.159
Oh, yeah.

965
00:43:05.219 --> 00:43:07.440
It's like a big Xbox control or something.

966
00:43:10.500 --> 00:43:14.219
Oh, and again, here's something new that the TARDIS hasn't done

967
00:43:14.219 --> 00:43:17.579
before, something that we've never seen with a new effect, you

968
00:43:17.579 --> 00:43:20.460
know, that looks that makes you think of particles, right?

969
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:23.579
Because it's particles calling to particles.

970
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:28.559
I think um, at the end of, at the start of parting of the ways, um

971
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:31.320
that was the 1st time we'd seen the TARTIS materialise around, so

972
00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:32.039
around someone, yeah.

973
00:43:32.099 --> 00:43:36.300
And Russell does after, you know, 26 years, give the TARDIS new

974
00:43:36.300 --> 00:43:37.440
things to do all the time.

975
00:43:37.500 --> 00:43:42.300
So imaginative, because we also always think inside the box, like

976
00:43:42.300 --> 00:43:43.860
you don't think outside that.

977
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:45.719
Yeah, what if the TARDIS did this?

978
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:48.599
And we're about to see another one too, because this is something

979
00:43:48.599 --> 00:43:50.460
that's never happened before either.

980
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:52.800
Where Donna...

981
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:55.500
I'm talking over her acting.

982
00:43:56.039 --> 00:44:00.960
This, again, is another one where we're sort of papering over a

983
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:05.039
sort of giant plot hole, which is that it took 6 months to create

984
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:09.659
the 1st key with you on energy, and now the queen's going to make

985
00:44:09.659 --> 00:44:13.980
lands into a key in 5 minutes because she's already calibrated the

986
00:44:13.980 --> 00:44:14.699
things or whatever.

987
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:17.519
Also begs the question why she didn't just use Lance in the 1st

988
00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:17.699
place.

989
00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:18.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

990
00:44:18.539 --> 00:44:18.840
Yeah.

991
00:44:18.900 --> 00:44:20.039
But that's fine.

992
00:44:20.099 --> 00:44:20.820
That's all good.

993
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:25.860
And like the doctor's funny too, hiding behind the TARDIS, behind

994
00:44:25.860 --> 00:44:30.000
the, you know, the time rotor, because he doesn't really want to

995
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:32.039
deal with...

996
00:44:32.099 --> 00:44:33.059
Yeah, yeah.

997
00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:33.719
Yeah.

998
00:44:33.780 --> 00:44:36.360
She's good here, isn't she?

999
00:44:36.420 --> 00:44:37.440
She's now just tired.

1000
00:44:37.500 --> 00:44:40.679
See, the other thing Lance could have done. with all that

1001
00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:42.539
laboratory.

1002
00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:44.639
He could have poisoned all the water in the building and actually

1003
00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:45.480
poisoned a lot of people.

1004
00:44:45.539 --> 00:44:48.719
But I guess it depends on how much you could generate at once.

1005
00:44:48.780 --> 00:44:51.059
No, so we've never done this before, have we?

1006
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:51.599
Am I wrong?

1007
00:44:51.659 --> 00:44:53.639
We've never opened up the tartar stores to look outside.

1008
00:44:53.820 --> 00:44:56.039
I think you might be.

1009
00:44:56.099 --> 00:45:01.079
And it becomes a standard thing because the modern Tartars in the

1010
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:05.760
new show doesn't have a big scanner screen, the only way to see

1011
00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:10.619
the special effects outside is it also doesn't have a void between

1012
00:45:10.619 --> 00:45:12.119
internal and extraordinary doors.

1013
00:45:12.179 --> 00:45:13.980
We looked outside earlier, didn't we?

1014
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:16.079
By the beginning of the episode when she was in the task, didn't

1015
00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:16.800
he open the doors then?

1016
00:45:16.860 --> 00:45:18.840
Yeah, she wanted to charge out.

1017
00:45:18.900 --> 00:45:19.320
Yeah.

1018
00:45:19.380 --> 00:45:20.699
But it happens twice.

1019
00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:21.480
Yeah, yeah.

1020
00:45:21.539 --> 00:45:25.619
But it happens in this episode 1st and now we do it all the time.

1021
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:28.380
And that too.

1022
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:29.460
She reacts.

1023
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:31.739
She reacts correctly, you know.

1024
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:36.420
You know, that's how we want that.

1025
00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:41.940
That's how the doctor wants her to react, to be excited. you know

1026
00:45:41.940 --> 00:45:43.320
by the creation of the world.

1027
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:47.579
The line about the Isle of Wight, I think, is a joke that the

1028
00:45:47.579 --> 00:45:51.000
production team we're making among themselves about one of the big

1029
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:54.840
CG rocks that goes past in the end of the world, after the world's

1030
00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:55.320
destroyed.

1031
00:45:56.639 --> 00:46:00.119
See, he's opening her eyes to possibilities, isn't it?

1032
00:46:00.659 --> 00:46:04.860
And at the same time, she's opening his heart to a future.

1033
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:06.659
Yeah, yeah, it's really good.

1034
00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:07.920
And look at, she's smiling.

1035
00:46:07.980 --> 00:46:09.719
And he's also smiling, you know?

1036
00:46:10.260 --> 00:46:12.000
They're wonderful together, aren't they?

1037
00:46:12.179 --> 00:46:17.460
She's just, you know, I did the big surveys for Doctor magazine, of

1038
00:46:17.460 --> 00:46:20.219
the entire series, and they asked Favourite Doctor, her favourite

1039
00:46:20.219 --> 00:46:23.280
companion, and she came a strong 2nd both times.

1040
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:26.340
You know, even after she'd been out of the role for 6 years to

1041
00:46:26.340 --> 00:46:27.179
Elizabeth Slayton.

1042
00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:28.500
So she's got real estate power.

1043
00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:29.039
Right.

1044
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:29.880
Wow, that's great.

1045
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:30.780
People love Donna.

1046
00:46:31.260 --> 00:46:35.639
Yeah, well, I guess season 4 was probably the show at its absolute

1047
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:36.480
P, wasn't it?

1048
00:46:36.539 --> 00:46:39.960
Which is what makes the end of series four.

1049
00:46:40.019 --> 00:46:41.460
So devastating.

1050
00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:42.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1051
00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:47.099
It's much worse than having the character killed.

1052
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:50.099
You take away everything they learned and enjoy all that. just

1053
00:46:50.099 --> 00:46:50.519
crippling.

1054
00:46:50.579 --> 00:46:54.119
Well, I mean, we go back to Zoe and Jamie and I'm always upset

1055
00:46:54.119 --> 00:46:55.800
about, especially Jamie.

1056
00:46:55.860 --> 00:46:58.079
It is not enough people, you're right.

1057
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:05.280
Oh, we could do a big count of how many aliens are trapped on

1058
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:08.400
Earth from the dawn of time to influence.

1059
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:11.820
I think that's the joy of Doctor Who.

1060
00:47:11.880 --> 00:47:13.440
We get so many different explanations.

1061
00:47:13.500 --> 00:47:14.340
Yeah, that's right.

1062
00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:17.340
Also, the doctor's gone further back than that, hasn't he?

1063
00:47:17.460 --> 00:47:18.659
Event one?

1064
00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:19.440
I guess so.

1065
00:47:32.699 --> 00:47:35.400
I always love that vortex when it.

1066
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:37.679
You're going in reversal.

1067
00:47:37.739 --> 00:47:39.239
The blue and red.

1068
00:47:39.300 --> 00:47:39.659
Yes.

1069
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:41.400
Is that a real thing?

1070
00:47:41.460 --> 00:47:42.000
Does actually work?

1071
00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:43.619
I think it does.

1072
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:49.139
I think, um, there is definitely, there's definitely some making

1073
00:47:49.139 --> 00:47:52.079
one episode where they change direction and the vortex changes

1074
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:54.780
colour because they've now travelling into the future or the

1075
00:47:54.780 --> 00:47:55.019
past.

1076
00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:58.860
Well, that was the whole thing with the new series, they

1077
00:47:58.860 --> 00:48:03.239
deliberately coded travelling past into one colour and travelling

1078
00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:04.139
into the future with the other.

1079
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:04.679
Yeah.

1080
00:48:06.179 --> 00:48:09.239
Oh now we're on a different level because it's blue.

1081
00:48:10.019 --> 00:48:12.000
Yes, exactly.

1082
00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:14.400
Holy bride and white.

1083
00:48:14.460 --> 00:48:17.159
That's the old pressure point trick, is it?

1084
00:48:17.219 --> 00:48:18.420
Yeah, yeah, that's exactly it.

1085
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:23.880
So where are we going now?

1086
00:48:24.239 --> 00:48:28.739
Yeah, yeah. where they have a series of scenes of characters

1087
00:48:28.739 --> 00:48:31.860
climbing down ladders which lead on from the other, and it's

1088
00:48:31.860 --> 00:48:34.500
clearly the same ladder with just a different coloured gel.

1089
00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:40.260
And it's not as inventive as that as you just made it sound.

1090
00:48:40.320 --> 00:48:41.519
It's not.

1091
00:48:41.579 --> 00:48:43.920
I don't need to love bleak seven.

1092
00:48:44.940 --> 00:48:47.460
We're doing it now, James.

1093
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:51.719
I have to be slow down.

1094
00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:57.059
You've ever been so quiet.

1095
00:48:57.119 --> 00:48:58.860
Yeah, that's great, isn't it?

1096
00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:01.679
And he says that line without even sort of breaking the thread of

1097
00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:02.760
his sentence either.

1098
00:49:02.820 --> 00:49:03.300
It's amazing.

1099
00:49:06.420 --> 00:49:08.940
Oh, look at glass painting.

1100
00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:09.840
Yeah.

1101
00:49:10.139 --> 00:49:15.000
What's that shame that they're in, the same on the autons we're

1102
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:15.179
in?

1103
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:16.199
It looks like it.

1104
00:49:16.260 --> 00:49:17.099
Do you think?

1105
00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:17.460
Yeah.

1106
00:49:17.820 --> 00:49:20.460
I'm sure the gels were a different colour.

1107
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:22.980
I was thinking they were almost watching it last night.

1108
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:24.480
It does look very similar, doesn't it?

1109
00:49:24.539 --> 00:49:27.059
Like, actually, insist that they say I do.

1110
00:49:27.179 --> 00:49:29.219
Yeah, so you should got some humour.

1111
00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:32.219
Yeah, she's...

1112
00:49:32.219 --> 00:49:33.719
It's very, very strange.

1113
00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:41.159
Yeah, I think there must be lots of fanboys who hate this because

1114
00:49:41.159 --> 00:49:43.380
Nathan, activate the particles.

1115
00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:46.800
Some particles, but she's got more.

1116
00:49:46.860 --> 00:49:52.079
Yeah, well, she's had 6 months and he's just, so, okay, they're

1117
00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:52.739
both keys.

1118
00:49:53.099 --> 00:49:55.559
What were you going to say about fanboys?

1119
00:49:55.619 --> 00:49:57.420
No, well, just because she's ridiculous.

1120
00:49:57.480 --> 00:49:58.380
Do you know what I mean?

1121
00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:03.780
Like, she is, it's bizarre that there's a big red spider with a

1122
00:50:03.780 --> 00:50:09.119
sort of comedy panto kind of style of talking that lives in the

1123
00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:09.840
middle of the earth.

1124
00:50:09.900 --> 00:50:11.400
It just seems absurd.

1125
00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:14.159
So has she lived all this time?

1126
00:50:14.460 --> 00:50:15.719
Or been in hibernation or what?

1127
00:50:15.780 --> 00:50:18.960
Yeah, she's in the Webstar thing, I guess, for all that

1128
00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:20.159
1000000000s of years.

1129
00:50:20.219 --> 00:50:21.360
So she's that old?

1130
00:50:21.420 --> 00:50:22.440
I suppose.

1131
00:50:22.500 --> 00:50:24.659
She's the only one who survived.

1132
00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:25.920
She's pretty well preserved.

1133
00:50:25.980 --> 00:50:27.239
Yeah she's looking good on it.

1134
00:50:27.300 --> 00:50:28.320
Babies will be hungry.

1135
00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:35.760
This episode has an advanced idea of silliness, which is, you know

1136
00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:39.300
what you need for Christmas, probably what, you know, some fans

1137
00:50:39.300 --> 00:50:39.780
don't like.

1138
00:50:40.260 --> 00:50:43.619
Something that's aware of its own silliness and relishes it.

1139
00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:44.099
Yeah.

1140
00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:45.900
There's an animus when you need it.

1141
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:48.000
This hairdryer thing.

1142
00:50:48.059 --> 00:50:49.079
Here we go.

1143
00:50:49.139 --> 00:50:52.860
And it's the one thing she could do is cut things.

1144
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:53.519
There goes Lance.

1145
00:50:53.579 --> 00:50:54.539
Well, sorry.

1146
00:50:54.539 --> 00:50:58.380
So they brought the Raknos back for Big Finish.

1147
00:51:00.900 --> 00:51:03.659
But guess who they got to play her?

1148
00:51:03.719 --> 00:51:06.719
Well, or an Empress.

1149
00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:08.460
Ando.

1150
00:51:13.019 --> 00:51:15.000
Right, okay, great.

1151
00:51:15.059 --> 00:51:16.320
It should be great.

1152
00:51:16.500 --> 00:51:19.619
Oh, lots of...

1153
00:51:19.619 --> 00:51:24.599
All I can think about is in turn left later on where this happens

1154
00:51:26.099 --> 00:51:29.519
and people blame Ken Livingston for it.

1155
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:34.440
And one of the most amusing performances, modern Doctor Who, the

1156
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:37.380
guy who comes into the pub and goes, everyone come out and look

1157
00:51:37.380 --> 00:51:38.579
it's a Christmas star.

1158
00:51:41.579 --> 00:51:45.360
Really, the Webstar is to blame for Boris Johnson.

1159
00:51:45.420 --> 00:51:46.320
Yep, yep.

1160
00:51:58.860 --> 00:52:01.019
And so here's the doctor to flush them all down the sink.

1161
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:05.880
I do think this episode ran out of story a little bit.

1162
00:52:05.940 --> 00:52:08.760
This is a very protracted climax in one location.

1163
00:52:08.820 --> 00:52:18.300
That this is...

1164
00:52:20.579 --> 00:52:23.159
Oh, that's great.

1165
00:52:23.219 --> 00:52:25.440
That's such a cartoon, isn't it?

1166
00:52:25.500 --> 00:52:28.019
I heard a story, gives us a bit of comedy.

1167
00:52:28.500 --> 00:52:31.559
Is there another screwball comedy, Doctor?

1168
00:52:31.619 --> 00:52:33.119
Yeah, I think partner's in crime.

1169
00:52:33.179 --> 00:52:35.639
Yeah No, absolutely right, yeah.

1170
00:52:35.699 --> 00:52:36.599
But that's better.

1171
00:52:36.659 --> 00:52:38.940
I love how he gives her one last chance.

1172
00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:41.639
He has done a number of times.

1173
00:52:41.639 --> 00:52:42.659
Yeah, that means.

1174
00:52:43.019 --> 00:52:47.820
But I like, but like I like Donna's reaction to this.

1175
00:52:47.880 --> 00:52:55.739
And again, like, um, you know, Donna's conclusion about the doctor

1176
00:52:55.739 --> 00:52:56.880
needs someone to stop him.

1177
00:52:56.940 --> 00:52:58.980
You know, he can't travel on his own.

1178
00:52:59.039 --> 00:53:01.199
He needs someone who's a conscience.

1179
00:53:01.260 --> 00:53:02.340
You know?

1180
00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:07.860
This is, he's just very clever, writing, and relax.

1181
00:53:08.219 --> 00:53:12.360
And they do, they come back to that in Pfizer, Pompeii, where they

1182
00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:15.059
show don't tell, but the doctor needs someone to stop him and

1183
00:53:15.059 --> 00:53:15.659
that's gone.

1184
00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:17.880
Hilarious.

1185
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:28.440
Of course they are. is significant.

1186
00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:32.219
This is the 1st time this is mentioned.

1187
00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:33.000
Yeah.

1188
00:53:33.059 --> 00:53:33.840
Yeah.

1189
00:53:34.860 --> 00:53:39.480
I wonder whether I was happy or sorry.

1190
00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:43.800
He should have given it its full name, Caliph, and the

1191
00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:44.940
constellation of Castobus.

1192
00:53:45.059 --> 00:53:45.900
Yeah, it's long word.

1193
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:48.420
It's longer than Rexaconica Falipatorian.

1194
00:53:48.539 --> 00:53:52.559
Well, I think it's, I think it's just something a little, a little

1195
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:56.519
bit more history and we, we weren't bombarded with this back in

1196
00:53:56.519 --> 00:53:57.239
episode one.

1197
00:53:57.300 --> 00:53:57.960
No, that's right.

1198
00:53:58.019 --> 00:53:59.219
That's absolutely right.

1199
00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:01.800
Or in the very 1st opening monologue.

1200
00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:07.920
So now is the time to introduce a little bit more and obviously it

1201
00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:11.519
will come into significance down the track.

1202
00:54:11.639 --> 00:54:12.960
Yeah, that's right.

1203
00:54:13.019 --> 00:54:17.820
The end of, we need it to seat it now for the end of next year.

1204
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:18.360
Yeah.

1205
00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:22.440
Yeah, he does that really well, doesn't he?

1206
00:54:22.500 --> 00:54:25.199
We've talked about that before, just gradually introducing a whole

1207
00:54:25.199 --> 00:54:28.320
new generation to the mythology without overwhelming them.

1208
00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:30.780
Where are those things coming from?

1209
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:32.159
I don't know.

1210
00:54:32.219 --> 00:54:34.980
This is a room that blows up for no reason, quite a lot, if the

1211
00:54:34.980 --> 00:54:36.000
autons were down there.

1212
00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:39.960
Is this a model shot or is this CGICG, I think?

1213
00:54:40.019 --> 00:54:40.800
It's real.

1214
00:54:40.860 --> 00:54:41.460
What?

1215
00:54:41.519 --> 00:54:42.780
The plug is not real.

1216
00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:43.739
It's all real.

1217
00:54:44.460 --> 00:54:46.500
But there's a lot of water.

1218
00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:48.840
I mean, they are spraying a lot of water all over the place.

1219
00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:51.360
And she's not happy.

1220
00:54:51.420 --> 00:54:53.099
Yeah, it's a model shot.

1221
00:54:53.699 --> 00:54:56.280
The water's in slow mode.

1222
00:54:56.340 --> 00:54:57.599
Yeah, the water is real, isn't it?

1223
00:54:57.659 --> 00:54:59.039
To make it look.

1224
00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:00.119
Yeah, you're right.

1225
00:55:00.179 --> 00:55:03.179
Like, because it would be travelling down the plug hole much

1226
00:55:03.179 --> 00:55:06.000
faster if it was, you've come a long way from that water

1227
00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:08.099
superimposed over the doctor and Susan.

1228
00:55:10.380 --> 00:55:12.900
Oh, the fish people ballet.

1229
00:55:13.500 --> 00:55:15.239
Bring them back.

1230
00:55:15.300 --> 00:55:17.519
Don't criticise the fish people ballet.

1231
00:55:17.579 --> 00:55:21.300
I also think too that Russell does a good thing, you know, like

1232
00:55:21.300 --> 00:55:22.739
they're her children.

1233
00:55:22.860 --> 00:55:27.420
And so, you know, she's horrible, obviously, in a big spider and

1234
00:55:27.420 --> 00:55:29.760
stuff, but there she is crying about her children dying.

1235
00:55:29.820 --> 00:55:31.019
You feel pity.

1236
00:55:31.079 --> 00:55:31.320
Yeah.

1237
00:55:31.320 --> 00:55:36.000
And that family thing, like making the sardine or a big family and

1238
00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:38.400
stuff like that, that's something that he does and the family of

1239
00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:39.119
blood later.

1240
00:55:39.179 --> 00:55:39.960
It's a family.

1241
00:55:40.139 --> 00:55:45.539
And that's, you know, before that, the basic unit of alienness was

1242
00:55:45.539 --> 00:55:49.559
a race, you know, like determined to conquer and destroy it.

1243
00:55:49.619 --> 00:55:50.039
Yeah, yeah.

1244
00:55:50.099 --> 00:55:50.820
Yeah, you're right.

1245
00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:54.539
Servolan and her babies.

1246
00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:55.199
Yes.

1247
00:55:55.260 --> 00:55:56.699
She felt them die.

1248
00:55:56.940 --> 00:56:01.679
I never understood, but I do now that, like, she's out of all of

1249
00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:02.039
her.

1250
00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:06.059
She's usually just, like, being she's defenceless, so then...

1251
00:56:06.059 --> 00:56:07.679
This is Saxon can give an order.

1252
00:56:07.739 --> 00:56:12.059
So this is our 2nd reference, our 1st reference in dialogue to Mr

1253
00:56:12.059 --> 00:56:12.539
Saxon.

1254
00:56:12.599 --> 00:56:16.980
Probably even one in the 1st episode of next season at the end, I

1255
00:56:16.980 --> 00:56:17.159
think.

1256
00:56:17.219 --> 00:56:18.539
Oh yes, there is.

1257
00:56:18.599 --> 00:56:21.420
The young doctor talks about, Mr. Saxon.

1258
00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:23.219
But Mr. Saxon did appear.

1259
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:28.980
He got mentioned in a newspaper in Love Monsters, which has

1260
00:56:28.980 --> 00:56:30.300
references to Bad Wolf.

1261
00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:32.099
Very subtle mention as far as...

1262
00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:33.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1263
00:56:33.179 --> 00:56:37.079
It's hard to notice, but this is also the 2nd Christmas episode

1264
00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:40.619
where the army or like earth forces blow up the invader.

1265
00:56:41.519 --> 00:56:42.599
I like how that collapses.

1266
00:56:42.659 --> 00:56:45.119
Yeah, yeah, a lot of confetti comes down.

1267
00:56:45.179 --> 00:56:46.559
It's very seasonal.

1268
00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:49.619
Very festive.

1269
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:51.960
Christmas theme.

1270
00:56:52.500 --> 00:56:56.280
Yeah, well, that moment in the last Christmas special where

1271
00:56:56.280 --> 00:56:58.980
everyone's marvelling about how it's snowing in London and we just

1272
00:56:58.980 --> 00:57:02.880
discover it's the ashes have burned up sick racks instead.

1273
00:57:05.699 --> 00:57:08.099
Oh, a bit of comedy here.

1274
00:57:08.159 --> 00:57:10.739
That's great, isn't it?

1275
00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:12.119
Just spectacular.

1276
00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:19.139
And we're just in a suburban street.

1277
00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:20.400
Just wonderful.

1278
00:57:20.639 --> 00:57:22.860
This is such a lovely scene.

1279
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:23.940
Yeah, isn't it?

1280
00:57:24.780 --> 00:57:26.340
Yeah.

1281
00:57:26.400 --> 00:57:28.500
And just knowing now that she'll be back.

1282
00:57:31.559 --> 00:57:34.980
But by this point, you do want her to go with him.

1283
00:57:35.699 --> 00:57:38.039
But it's a good...

1284
00:57:38.099 --> 00:57:42.599
I actually think her arc is really very, very good because, you

1285
00:57:42.599 --> 00:57:45.960
know, like what Lance said was that she's incurious about the

1286
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:48.059
world, that it's all celebrity gossip.

1287
00:57:48.119 --> 00:57:49.980
She can't point out Germany on a map.

1288
00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:51.900
You know, she's trivial.

1289
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:57.659
And, you know, that, you know, she wants to now make something of

1290
00:57:57.659 --> 00:57:58.199
herself.

1291
00:57:58.260 --> 00:58:01.980
She wants to, you know, enjoy her life and do what the doctor does

1292
00:58:01.980 --> 00:58:03.300
but do it here on earth.

1293
00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:07.860
And she comes back from exploring the world and sort of and

1294
00:58:07.860 --> 00:58:09.360
desperately wants to see the doctor again.

1295
00:58:09.420 --> 00:58:12.239
In fact, what I thought was really interesting and we'll get there

1296
00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:14.699
that she starts to do it, but then doesn't.

1297
00:58:14.760 --> 00:58:18.239
Oh, it's the 2nd time in a row that we make it snow.

1298
00:58:18.360 --> 00:58:21.179
The doctor makes it snow at Christmas in London.

1299
00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:23.820
Do we also do that spoiler next year?

1300
00:58:24.300 --> 00:58:26.280
Voyage of the Damned?

1301
00:58:26.340 --> 00:58:27.059
I can't remember.

1302
00:58:27.059 --> 00:58:29.579
With the Titanic.

1303
00:58:29.760 --> 00:58:31.440
Excitation.

1304
00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:34.679
That's a Doctor Who explanation.

1305
00:58:34.739 --> 00:58:36.179
But it's so important here.

1306
00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:39.000
Like, you could not have introduced Martha here.

1307
00:58:39.059 --> 00:58:44.099
You needed this character as a gap between the next long-term

1308
00:58:44.099 --> 00:58:46.800
companion, and for him to come to terms with what he's lost.

1309
00:58:46.860 --> 00:58:48.659
Yeah, cool.

1310
00:58:48.719 --> 00:58:52.440
Equally, you couldn't have, although, you know, the reason that

1311
00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:54.960
she's not in series 3 is because they didn't think they could get

1312
00:58:54.960 --> 00:58:55.199
her.

1313
00:58:55.260 --> 00:58:56.039
Yeah, yeah.

1314
00:58:56.039 --> 00:59:01.320
I think it actually works better that she doesn't go with him here

1315
00:59:01.380 --> 00:59:03.539
for the for both characters.

1316
00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:08.820
Yeah, well, I like that she's learned something about him and that

1317
00:59:08.820 --> 00:59:10.199
she gives him some advice.

1318
00:59:10.260 --> 00:59:16.199
It's, uh, And and she's not, not self-focused.

1319
00:59:16.380 --> 00:59:19.380
Although she does that little Donna what?

1320
00:59:19.380 --> 00:59:20.219
You couldn't.

1321
00:59:20.219 --> 00:59:23.579
It's actually Nan. doing mad.

1322
00:59:23.639 --> 00:59:26.760
But she's not so self-focused now as she was at the beginning of

1323
00:59:26.760 --> 00:59:27.179
the episode.

1324
00:59:27.239 --> 00:59:32.519
And she's asked about this person that travelled with the doctor

1325
00:59:32.519 --> 00:59:33.659
and here at the end.

1326
00:59:33.719 --> 00:59:36.119
Yeah, oh, that's beautiful, isn't it?

1327
00:59:36.719 --> 00:59:38.400
What was her name?

1328
00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:40.079
I think you need somebody.

1329
00:59:41.579 --> 00:59:43.559
Yeah, it's...

1330
00:59:43.559 --> 00:59:46.019
It's good, isn't it?

1331
00:59:46.079 --> 00:59:48.239
Also, Catherine Tate is so beautiful.

1332
00:59:48.300 --> 00:59:51.179
She's got such a beautiful, soft face.

1333
00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:51.960
Yeah.

1334
00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:52.559
Yeah.

1335
00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:54.900
You see her in close-up and your heart melts.

1336
00:59:55.019 --> 00:59:55.320
Yeah.

1337
00:59:56.340 --> 00:59:59.099
Is it a pleasant old young thing?

1338
01:00:00.420 --> 01:00:02.820
She older than the tenant?

1339
01:00:03.960 --> 01:00:07.139
I believe the only companion who's older than their doctor.

1340
01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:08.039
Yeah.

1341
01:00:08.099 --> 01:00:09.360
Not very much.

1342
01:00:09.420 --> 01:00:09.840
Is she?

1343
01:00:09.900 --> 01:00:10.380
No, not much.

1344
01:00:10.440 --> 01:00:12.840
I think she was like 2 years older than Tenant.

1345
01:00:12.900 --> 01:00:13.199
Right.

1346
01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:17.760
I mean, kindly substantially older than tenant, but spoiler alert

1347
01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:19.079
she doesn't last all that long.

1348
01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:25.500
Graham's older than his.

1349
01:00:25.559 --> 01:00:26.340
Yeah that's true.

1350
01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:26.940
Oh, yeah?

1351
01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:27.539
Now, yeah, yeah.

1352
01:00:28.260 --> 01:00:29.940
Oh, sorry, who?

1353
01:00:33.659 --> 01:00:35.219
I like him.

1354
01:00:35.280 --> 01:00:35.940
Thank you very much.

1355
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:40.199
I like how she knows that he's not going to come back.

1356
01:00:40.320 --> 01:00:41.099
Yes.

1357
01:00:41.159 --> 01:00:44.340
She knows that that's that's not a thing.

1358
01:00:44.400 --> 01:00:46.860
And he couldn't do Christmas dinner.

1359
01:00:46.920 --> 01:00:48.719
He couldn't do it with a new family.

1360
01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:51.179
Yeah, far too soon.

1361
01:00:51.239 --> 01:00:52.679
Bit of shoutiness, but here.

1362
01:00:56.099 --> 01:00:58.980
It's funny, the difference between the doctors because Matt

1363
01:00:58.980 --> 01:01:01.380
Smith's really happy to sit down and have a Christmas dinner.

1364
01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:02.340
Yeah, gregarious.

1365
01:01:02.400 --> 01:01:03.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1366
01:01:04.019 --> 01:01:09.840
Well, and even that gets investigated a little bit in Day of the

1367
01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:11.400
Doctor, I think, the difference between them.

1368
01:01:11.579 --> 01:01:14.460
Because people say that they're the doctors who are the most

1369
01:01:14.460 --> 01:01:15.000
similar.

1370
01:01:15.059 --> 01:01:17.159
But no, they're not at all similar.

1371
01:01:17.219 --> 01:01:17.579
Yeah.

1372
01:01:17.579 --> 01:01:20.519
Sometimes you need someone to stop you.

1373
01:01:20.579 --> 01:01:23.639
It's just that they're both young with silly hair.

1374
01:01:23.699 --> 01:01:25.679
Yeah, they're just sort of, yeah, that's right.

1375
01:01:25.739 --> 01:01:30.840
Although, tenants got good hair and until about the doctor.

1376
01:01:30.900 --> 01:01:31.980
He won't next episode.

1377
01:01:32.519 --> 01:01:34.619
Until day of the doctor.

1378
01:01:34.679 --> 01:01:35.699
That hair is terrible.

1379
01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:39.119
It's obviously a week.

1380
01:01:39.179 --> 01:01:40.320
There's a story there.

1381
01:01:40.380 --> 01:01:41.340
I'll tell you later.

1382
01:01:41.400 --> 01:01:43.440
No, tell us how.

1383
01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:48.420
Oh, yes.

1384
01:01:51.480 --> 01:01:52.440
Look at him.

1385
01:01:52.500 --> 01:01:53.699
Look at that little broken face.

1386
01:01:54.059 --> 01:01:57.840
I remember watching this the 1st time and actually like feeling

1387
01:01:57.840 --> 01:01:58.679
that emotion.

1388
01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:02.820
I'm a bit watching this in preparation for this.

1389
01:02:02.880 --> 01:02:04.019
It's well I love this.

1390
01:02:04.320 --> 01:02:06.719
And then another new effect.

1391
01:02:07.019 --> 01:02:09.360
It's awesome.

1392
01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:12.659
He just says that for cheap tricks.

1393
01:02:12.719 --> 01:02:15.179
I wonder how long they were outside filming this with that

1394
01:02:15.179 --> 01:02:16.380
fake...

1395
01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:18.420
You know, I hope we see her again.

1396
01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:19.139
She was very good.

1397
01:02:19.199 --> 01:02:20.280
She was very good.

1398
01:02:20.340 --> 01:02:21.239
Very promising.

1399
01:02:21.300 --> 01:02:22.679
Oh, look, who's this?

1400
01:02:22.739 --> 01:02:23.699
Coming soon.

1401
01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:27.900
And so which episodes do we have here?

1402
01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:28.800
We got new earths.

1403
01:02:28.860 --> 01:02:31.199
We've got some Gridlock, Gridlock.

1404
01:02:31.320 --> 01:02:32.400
Episode two.

1405
01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:33.960
We don't mean newer.

1406
01:02:33.960 --> 01:02:35.880
Oh, the...

1407
01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:36.659
Well, not newer.

1408
01:02:36.659 --> 01:02:37.860
Smith and Jones.

1409
01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:38.820
We've got...

1410
01:02:38.820 --> 01:02:40.619
Yeah, the Dalek 2 parter.

1411
01:02:40.619 --> 01:02:42.059
Back to gridlock.

1412
01:02:42.119 --> 01:02:43.260
There's gridlock again.

1413
01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:43.980
More dialects.

1414
01:02:44.039 --> 01:02:44.400
Yeah.

1415
01:02:44.460 --> 01:02:47.280
We might have a bit of Lazarus thrown in.

1416
01:02:47.340 --> 01:02:48.840
No, I think we'll have to.

1417
01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:50.699
This one, this goes on forever, doesn't it?

1418
01:02:50.760 --> 01:02:56.039
And I guess, what, there's 3 months before we face a bow?

1419
01:02:56.099 --> 01:02:57.719
They're really trying to sell the new season.

1420
01:02:57.840 --> 01:03:00.300
Oh, it makes it look like the most exciting thing ever, which it

1421
01:03:00.300 --> 01:03:00.719
almost was.

1422
01:03:00.780 --> 01:03:01.320
Yeah, yeah.

1423
01:03:01.380 --> 01:03:01.739
Yeah.

1424
01:03:01.800 --> 01:03:03.179
I think it's a great season.

1425
01:03:03.239 --> 01:03:05.039
Oh, look, there's Chris Quench.

1426
01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:09.179
Jeffrey Rush there with bad teeth.

1427
01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:12.059
I'll be a slicerous experiment.

1428
01:03:12.119 --> 01:03:14.400
I have such a soft swipe for Lazarus experiment.

1429
01:03:14.460 --> 01:03:16.440
I hope I don't hate it when I rewatch it.

1430
01:03:20.099 --> 01:03:22.559
You sure are, Mark.

1431
01:03:23.159 --> 01:03:26.760
Just because we need to have that.

1432
01:03:26.820 --> 01:03:27.480
Yeah.

1433
01:03:28.139 --> 01:03:29.639
There you go.

1434
01:03:29.699 --> 01:03:30.599
Oh that was really fun.

1435
01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:32.340
Final thoughts?

1436
01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:34.679
Look, I think it's fun and enjoyable.

1437
01:03:34.860 --> 01:03:36.960
I think you're right.

1438
01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:39.780
Peter, perhaps it does run out of story at points, but I think

1439
01:03:39.780 --> 01:03:41.280
it's what you need at this point.

1440
01:03:41.340 --> 01:03:42.960
I don't think it's inspired.

1441
01:03:43.019 --> 01:03:45.780
I don't think it's something which has a big idea behind it or

1442
01:03:45.780 --> 01:03:46.860
you're thinking, oh, that's clever.

1443
01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:50.159
It's fairly workmanlike, but it's dressed up in so much fun.

1444
01:03:50.940 --> 01:03:53.099
Oh, I think that's the thing, though.

1445
01:03:53.159 --> 01:03:55.619
It's a very straightforward, as you were saying earlier, it's a

1446
01:03:55.619 --> 01:03:58.920
very straightforward story, but it's got such good actors, you

1447
01:03:58.920 --> 01:03:59.159
know.

1448
01:03:59.219 --> 01:04:02.280
It's very visually engaging.

1449
01:04:02.340 --> 01:04:03.719
Individual scenes are really fun.

1450
01:04:03.780 --> 01:04:06.179
No, quite fun.

1451
01:04:06.300 --> 01:04:07.739
Cool.

1452
01:04:07.800 --> 01:04:11.639
Well, dear listener, that's all we have time for this week.

1453
01:04:11.699 --> 01:04:15.480
We'll be back in a very few weeks time with our coverage of series

1454
01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:15.780
3.

1455
01:04:16.019 --> 01:04:19.739
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts

1456
01:04:19.739 --> 01:04:22.800
and you can keep up with us at flightsthroughentirety.com, flights

1457
01:04:22.800 --> 01:04:26.039
through entirety on Facebook, and at FT podcast on Twitter.

1458
01:04:26.099 --> 01:04:31.679
You can also find our series 11 flashcast, Jody Interterterra.com

1459
01:04:31.679 --> 01:04:35.460
and at Jody Interterra on Twitter, and our James Bond commentary

1460
01:04:35.460 --> 01:04:39.000
podcast Bondfinger at Bondfinger.com, at Bondfinger on Facebook

1461
01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:41.159
and at Bondfingercast on Twitter.

1462
01:04:41.579 --> 01:04:45.719
Until next time, may you recover from that nasty bout of Spanish

1463
01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:50.219
flu in time to meet the Jones family in Doctor Who's very next

1464
01:04:50.219 --> 01:04:52.019
episode, Smith and Jones.

1465
01:04:52.079 --> 01:04:53.400
I'm Jonesing for it.

1466
01:04:53.460 --> 01:04:55.380
Kicking up with the Joneses.

1467
01:04:55.440 --> 01:04:56.039
Please.

1468
01:04:56.099 --> 01:04:58.019
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1469
01:04:58.079 --> 01:04:58.619
Good night.

1470
01:04:58.619 --> 01:04:59.280
See you soon.

1471
01:04:59.340 --> 01:05:00.059
Happy Christmas.