WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 14:23:15 1 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:46.619 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight or Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast full of salty fats and vintage wines and all those Michelin star sauces. 2 00:00:46.679 --> 00:00:48.119 We're delicious. 3 00:00:48.179 --> 00:00:49.380 I'm Nathan. 4 00:00:49.439 --> 00:00:50.460 I'm James. 5 00:00:50.520 --> 00:00:57.000 I'm Todd, and I'm an NHS slightly see-through oversized brine nylon 90 for this one. 6 00:00:57.119 --> 00:00:58.679 Of course you are. 7 00:00:58.740 --> 00:01:11.400 Well, the show ended its two-year run mere months ago, and so all of Britain is tuning in this week to find out whether it's even possible to conceive of a Doctor Who, after the shock departure of Camille Kaduri. 8 00:01:11.459 --> 00:01:16.920 Can anything ever be the same again after the 1st meeting of Smith and Joan? 9 00:01:16.980 --> 00:01:17.760 Yeah. 10 00:01:18.540 --> 00:01:21.540 What could happen on an average beautiful day? 11 00:01:21.599 --> 00:01:22.920 You never know. 12 00:01:23.579 --> 00:01:26.340 Summer breaks seasonal changes. 13 00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:27.840 It's hotcore, brother. 14 00:01:27.900 --> 00:01:29.819 On a beautiful... 15 00:01:29.939 --> 00:01:31.019 Turn out of 10 for teeth. 16 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:33.900 Excellent teeth on the new gill. 17 00:01:35.159 --> 00:01:36.719 Very good. 18 00:01:36.840 --> 00:01:40.379 So, I mean, we open, don't we? 19 00:01:40.439 --> 00:01:41.219 Let's do this. 20 00:01:41.280 --> 00:01:43.859 Doing a street scene again. 21 00:01:43.920 --> 00:01:44.760 Yeah, yeah. 22 00:01:44.819 --> 00:01:46.439 And last week. 23 00:01:46.500 --> 00:01:48.420 Well, not last week. 24 00:01:48.480 --> 00:02:00.000 Last Christmas, we restarted the show with that opening shot of the moon heading down to Earth and then Donna's wedding, and I guess that was a way of saying, well, the show is restarting, but we've sort of found a way to do it. 25 00:02:00.060 --> 00:02:03.239 Here we don't have an opening thing. 26 00:02:03.299 --> 00:02:05.579 We go straight into the... 27 00:02:05.640 --> 00:02:06.299 Yeah, yeah. 28 00:02:06.359 --> 00:02:08.219 And then we see Martha. 29 00:02:08.219 --> 00:02:12.180 And I guess she's introduced to us very economically. 30 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:13.560 It's a pretty good scene. 31 00:02:13.620 --> 00:02:20.159 It's a very now television scene, like having the mobile phone and cutting between all of her family and introducing. 32 00:02:20.219 --> 00:02:21.360 Could you imagine? 33 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:32.039 Back in 1980 with Tegan, having a phone going off in the house, and then she's talking to her grandfather, and then Auntie Vanessa has a phone in the car or some big, huge gadget thing, and then she... 34 00:02:32.039 --> 00:02:32.699 Colin Fraser. 35 00:02:32.759 --> 00:02:38.099 She speaks to Colin. you know, and then they have to, they go down the freeway and then they find a police box and they talk to that. 36 00:02:38.159 --> 00:02:38.879 Could you imagine that? 37 00:02:38.939 --> 00:02:42.240 That's a great way to introduce all the family and selling regulars. 38 00:02:42.300 --> 00:02:44.219 And then her aunt gets horribly mad. 39 00:02:44.219 --> 00:02:45.840 In 25 minutes. 40 00:02:45.900 --> 00:02:48.180 But here it's all done in like 2 minutes. 41 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:54.060 And it's very clear that what Martha's job is in the family is to kind of smooth things over. 42 00:02:54.120 --> 00:03:06.120 Like Tish calls to kind of get her to persuade her father not to bring Annalise, who is one of the great characters of the RTD. 43 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:08.939 He names these creatures, doesn't it? 44 00:03:09.060 --> 00:03:12.900 Well, we had Naris last time, who I just think he's spectacular. 45 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:22.379 I was about to say, like, you know, he's trying, like, for 3 episodes in a row, we had the wonderful Jackie, and then it's like we don't have Jackie anymore, so now we've got Neres, and now we've got Annelise. 46 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:23.759 I mean, she never appears ever again. 47 00:03:23.819 --> 00:03:26.580 But, you know, that joke at the end of the episode. 48 00:03:26.639 --> 00:03:33.419 It's just, I just burst out laughing where Martha's mum says, you stole my husband. 49 00:03:33.479 --> 00:03:34.680 He seduced me. 50 00:03:34.740 --> 00:03:37.199 And it's just like, he really, did he? 51 00:03:37.259 --> 00:03:39.120 Like, 0 my god. 52 00:03:39.180 --> 00:03:43.979 So we've got some people who've gone on to doing incredibly well as well. 53 00:03:44.039 --> 00:03:48.599 Like all of these people, like Joe Ando has been in a bunch of things. 54 00:03:48.659 --> 00:03:49.860 Russell's used her again. 55 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:51.360 She's got a big career. 56 00:03:51.419 --> 00:04:06.000 Goo Goo Mabatha Raw is in everything these days, including the sort of spectacular San Junipero from Black Mirror, and then Reggie Yates, who was apparently famous, but we didn't know about him then. 57 00:04:06.060 --> 00:04:07.560 That's her brother Leo. 58 00:04:07.620 --> 00:04:08.219 Yeah, yeah. 59 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:13.919 And so Leo comes back, but not quite as often as Russell had originally hoped, I think. 60 00:04:13.979 --> 00:04:17.519 But Tish will be following Tish's career. 61 00:04:17.639 --> 00:04:19.139 She has a very eventful week. 62 00:04:22.199 --> 00:04:25.680 Yeah, and again, he's done the same thing with Rose, hasn't he? 63 00:04:25.740 --> 00:04:26.699 No pre-title sequence. 64 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:29.040 I was trying to think, why is this like Rose's introduction? 65 00:04:29.100 --> 00:04:29.939 Oh, yeah, because... 66 00:04:29.939 --> 00:04:31.560 This is the new girl. 67 00:04:31.620 --> 00:04:36.120 Front and centre. and this is her family and she's here to stay. 68 00:04:36.240 --> 00:04:38.819 I really meant what I said in the opening. 69 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:47.939 It was really hard to imagine what Doctor Who could do without the Powell estate without Mickey and Jackie and Rose, who had been so important to the show. 70 00:04:48.060 --> 00:04:51.300 And then, you know, you can't do the same thing again. 71 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:54.120 Russell has to choose to do something different. 72 00:04:54.180 --> 00:04:59.399 And the shocking difference, I think, with the family is that they're... 73 00:04:59.459 --> 00:05:04.439 I was going to say, because Rose isn't upper middle class. 74 00:05:04.500 --> 00:05:06.120 No, more working class. 75 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:11.579 Yeah, and here we've got an actress of colour cast in the role. 76 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:14.100 And so the whole supporting cast, obviously, is. 77 00:05:14.160 --> 00:05:16.560 And it's well overdue in Doctor Who. 78 00:05:16.620 --> 00:05:17.279 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 79 00:05:17.339 --> 00:05:21.060 Well, yes, it's not like they had to powder up Louise Jameson. 80 00:05:23.519 --> 00:05:28.439 But that is actually sort of a huge, a huge thing, isn't it? 81 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:46.500 Suddenly you've got this massive cast of black actors, it has semi-regulars, and I think it's a fantastic thing, and I think also it's meant to kind of sweeten the pill of having an upper middle class family who would otherwise be inclined to dislike. 82 00:05:46.980 --> 00:05:52.560 So looking forward to Sophie Aldred's comments on the sofa when this is re-released. 83 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:54.600 That's it. 84 00:05:54.660 --> 00:05:57.899 They're not as posh as I was when I was on the show, you know. 85 00:05:57.959 --> 00:05:58.860 Well, no one was. 86 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:04.379 And and of course, she's because she's sort of older. 87 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:07.079 She's not being rescued from something so much. 88 00:06:07.199 --> 00:06:12.839 Yes, that nice thing that we get now in the 21st century, all we were supposed to get it with Liz Sladden. 89 00:06:12.899 --> 00:06:24.720 It kind of is actually a bit like Sarah James' 1st story, where she's very much part of the narrative and pushing it along and solving problems along, Geroff, murder, cup of day, that sort of upper middle-class behaviour. 90 00:06:24.779 --> 00:06:25.740 Yeah, very much so. 91 00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:28.680 In fact, there was quite a few little parallels to the time warrior. 92 00:06:28.740 --> 00:06:32.579 So she kind of has to prove herself to the doctor in this. 93 00:06:32.819 --> 00:06:45.000 And, you know, the doctor starts to like her, I think, when they sort of 1st meet in the hospital, but he's sort of peripheral to the story for quite a long time, I think. 94 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:48.240 It does spend a lot of time establishing her. 95 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:58.680 There are a number of moments where she actually drives the plot more than he does as well, where she basically, like, starts trying to solve the problem even before he said anything. 96 00:06:58.680 --> 00:07:02.100 When they're on the balcony, she starts working out the problem. 97 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:06.420 She shows herself to be an intelligent and capable character quite quickly. 98 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:09.540 Yeah, I like how, and you're quite right, James. 99 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:20.639 I just like the way in which she's presented with different problems and she takes a moment to process it and then work out what she's going to do and deal with whatever she's thrown up against, you know? 100 00:07:20.699 --> 00:07:23.040 And there was a strength in her. 101 00:07:23.100 --> 00:07:25.019 I think there's just this strength. 102 00:07:25.079 --> 00:07:26.759 The fact that she's slightly older than Rose. 103 00:07:26.819 --> 00:07:37.019 She's obviously the older sibling, the other 2 are younger, and in that opening scene, you know, it's obvious the parents' marriage has broken down. 104 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:44.879 And there's a real strength in Framer's performance that you can see the parallels with her mother. 105 00:07:44.939 --> 00:07:47.939 But she's also got aspects of her father, who's quite comedy. 106 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:50.879 She actually has some nice little asides and one liners. 107 00:07:50.939 --> 00:07:55.560 It's actually a really beautiful nuanced performance by Freeman. 108 00:07:55.620 --> 00:08:04.500 Now, I just want to say this to the listeners, and you might have gathered that previously I dismissed famous performances, Martha, has been okay. 109 00:08:04.560 --> 00:08:12.360 I've talked about Martha's blank face, where I have spoken to Brendan about this, where I felt that she wasn't get the motive. 110 00:08:12.420 --> 00:08:14.699 Well, I'm wrong. 111 00:08:14.819 --> 00:08:20.040 And she is just, I just, I'm just, my, my opinion has completely changed. 112 00:08:20.100 --> 00:08:21.180 Interesting. 113 00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:24.000 So is mine, but to back to where you were in the beginning. 114 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:27.660 Because there's more than one slab on set. 115 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:30.360 Wow. 116 00:08:30.420 --> 00:08:39.960 No, no, she's lovely and warm and charming, but as our friend Kevin Johnson, who taught it Nyder for, I think, a half a century, almost, you know, they're C class actors. 117 00:08:40.019 --> 00:08:42.480 Oh, that's a bit harsh, isn't it? 118 00:08:42.539 --> 00:08:46.679 It's a term they use, which means that lots of warm plots of charm, but it's not getting over. 119 00:08:46.740 --> 00:08:50.759 I'm seeing a person reading a lovely person reading lines. 120 00:08:50.820 --> 00:08:52.440 I'm not getting involved in a character. 121 00:08:52.500 --> 00:08:59.159 See, I mean, I think that, you know, the character as written is a little bit less. 122 00:08:59.340 --> 00:09:02.340 Well, we've had more time with Rose, I guess. 123 00:09:02.759 --> 00:09:13.980 But, you know, that sort of slight, you know, we were constantly sort of cross-it rows for being sort of selfish and thoughtless and things and that wasn't all she was. 124 00:09:14.039 --> 00:09:20.879 But in a way, Freema's character is kind of designed to be the perfect companion. 125 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:26.639 And, um, you know, she's smart and resourceful and thoughtful and caring and selfless. 126 00:09:26.700 --> 00:09:32.879 And she's willing to put up with a whole heap of stuff to go through a lot of stuff to help people. 127 00:09:32.940 --> 00:09:37.320 And so maybe that character isn't quite as complex. 128 00:09:37.379 --> 00:09:40.980 But I've seen actors do a lot more with a lot less. 129 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:48.539 No, I just think it's about performance and you know, and just the way to get your character. 130 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:51.840 It's almost alchemy, the way it works on camera. 131 00:09:51.899 --> 00:09:53.039 And it's different from theatres. 132 00:09:53.100 --> 00:09:54.299 She might actually be okay in theatre. 133 00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:56.340 And she's also an angournue and all the rest of it. 134 00:09:56.399 --> 00:10:03.240 But the great warmth, great charm, and you can see just what magnetism she has in interviews and her enthusiasm. 135 00:10:03.299 --> 00:10:14.460 And all of that is there, but there is the quintessential. there is that 5th element that an actor needs to get that across. 136 00:10:14.519 --> 00:10:16.799 And we still haven't actually been able to isolate what that is. 137 00:10:16.860 --> 00:10:18.360 And you don't always know it. 138 00:10:18.419 --> 00:10:20.879 In fact, it doesn't, the camera is a filter. 139 00:10:20.940 --> 00:10:25.440 Sometimes it allows and it magnifies and sometimes it actually just shuts off. 140 00:10:25.500 --> 00:10:27.840 So the warmth of a person doesn't come through. 141 00:10:27.899 --> 00:10:30.179 But anyway, that's kind of what I'm getting from this episode. 142 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:43.080 And that's a disappointment for me because it is a strong light story and Russell shows that you can have a Buckminster full of geodesic dome of great volume and surface area, but very lightness, very much lightness of structure. 143 00:10:43.139 --> 00:10:49.919 I think that is something that I'm sort of keen to talk about because the actual plot, yes. 144 00:10:49.980 --> 00:10:54.419 I think we should be talking about moon architecture, considering the time of year that this is. 145 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:59.700 The plot is very, very straightforward. 146 00:10:59.700 --> 00:11:03.059 And I think it works incredibly well. 147 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:10.620 We haven't yet really properly established a pattern where the 1st episode is kind of light and maybe a bit comedic. 148 00:11:10.679 --> 00:11:15.480 I maybe, I guess, with the 3rd season, that's when the pattern is sort of finally established. 149 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:20.519 But the fact that the initial problem is that rain is falling upwards is so easily comprehensible. 150 00:11:20.580 --> 00:11:25.379 It's not that the doctors, you know, getting emissions well into the E-band or something. 151 00:11:25.440 --> 00:11:26.159 Do you know what I mean? 152 00:11:26.220 --> 00:11:27.240 It's the rains falling up. 153 00:11:27.299 --> 00:11:36.539 And I really think that that's, you know, something that Russell does really well, something that we haven't ever thought of before and that is super obvious. 154 00:11:36.600 --> 00:11:47.879 And, you know, the technobabble used to justify the HTO scoop is pretty rudimentary. but it makes for a great image I think. 155 00:11:47.940 --> 00:11:51.600 I like it as a condensatory heat runoff from all that energy thing thing. 156 00:11:51.659 --> 00:11:55.679 We're 7 days off the moon landing after the 50th anniversary. 157 00:11:55.799 --> 00:11:57.659 That's what I mentioned, that's when we're recording. 158 00:11:57.720 --> 00:11:59.820 So there'll be lots of fascinating facts. 159 00:11:59.940 --> 00:12:01.259 Todd. 160 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:03.600 That's your trip. 161 00:12:06.659 --> 00:12:09.059 I think this is the most confident. 162 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:10.440 Opener to date. 163 00:12:10.500 --> 00:12:17.340 And I love that brain falling up and actually having the whole hospital taken up to the moon. 164 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:20.340 It's just something that I never would have thought of. 165 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:22.500 No, and it just works so well. 166 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:24.179 I just think this whole story is so confident. 167 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:27.720 And I'm going to disagree with Man City next to me, Richard. 168 00:12:27.720 --> 00:12:34.919 I, you know, Rich and I did not like Martha that much, but I just changed my mind completely. 169 00:12:34.980 --> 00:12:37.620 I just think she's fantastic in this entire story. 170 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:39.960 I really think she's got the it factor. 171 00:12:40.080 --> 00:12:44.580 And I think it's really hard to follow up, Rose, and I'm glad that we had a brake last week. 172 00:12:44.639 --> 00:12:49.320 The doctors managed to get to a point where he can accept roses gone, which is so vital. 173 00:12:49.379 --> 00:12:53.700 You could not have had this companion in the Christmas special, you needed that stock gap. 174 00:12:53.940 --> 00:13:00.059 And I just believe that throughout this entire episode she just shines. 175 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:03.000 I have only watched this far. 176 00:13:03.059 --> 00:13:05.399 I haven't watched any further into series 3 yet. 177 00:13:05.460 --> 00:13:13.320 I mean, I've watched it before, but I'm really looking forward to seeing how I respond to Freeman's performance. 178 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:22.559 The hardest thing is that she's following up from Billy Piper in 2 years of what she's delivered and the fact that she's not, she's the not rows, basically. 179 00:13:22.620 --> 00:13:24.840 And I think that's a real noose around her neck. 180 00:13:24.899 --> 00:13:31.799 And during this episode, of course, the doctor kisses her, for genetic transference and a plug device. 181 00:13:31.860 --> 00:13:39.000 Um, and when she, you know, this man's walked into her life, this, all this stuff's happening, he owns he spits. 182 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:44.399 Do you know what I think the kiss is? 183 00:13:44.460 --> 00:13:58.620 It's a rehash of the conversation that we had in our episode at the end of series one where Rose and the doctor have a kiss and some of us wanted to insist that it was a science fiction kiss and some of us wanted to say that it was a kiss. 184 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:03.360 And here the doctor is the person who says, no, this is just a science fiction case. 185 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:09.299 And Martha, for Martha, is a kiss, you know, like she reacts to it. 186 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:25.559 And perhaps for me, that's the part of the episode that I don't like so much, is that, you know, she's immediately kind of won over by the doctor's invincible charms, one kiss and, you know, she's sort of suddenly in love with him. 187 00:14:25.679 --> 00:14:39.960 And there's a scene, she does a face in the final scene in the Tartars, where she says, no, look, I'm not interested in you at all, and then sort of turns slightly to Cameron, pulls a face to make it clear to us, but in fact, she is. 188 00:14:40.019 --> 00:14:42.720 And, you know, like, I think that's okay. 189 00:14:42.779 --> 00:14:45.600 But I do think that it all happens rather suddenly. 190 00:14:45.659 --> 00:14:50.940 Oh, look, I would agree with you, and it's, it's really a hard thing to judge at this point. 191 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:55.440 Yahoo fans only know of pros being in love with the doctor. 192 00:14:55.500 --> 00:15:01.500 And so does it make sense to go there again, as classic fans, we're used to not having people in love with the doctor. 193 00:15:01.559 --> 00:15:05.340 Do we just ignore the fact that people could fall in love with him that quickly? 194 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:07.679 It's a road that they're taking. 195 00:15:07.740 --> 00:15:10.259 Is it a noose around this character's neck? 196 00:15:10.259 --> 00:15:12.419 And we'll see that throughout the season. 197 00:15:12.480 --> 00:15:13.440 We'll explore that. 198 00:15:13.500 --> 00:15:17.820 Because certainly the following year we react against that immediately, don't we? 199 00:15:17.820 --> 00:15:33.779 With the, you know, the I don't want to mate conversation that Donna and the doctor have in partners in crime, Russell very definitely kind of takes on board the criticism or sees what the being in love plot does to Martha as a character. 200 00:15:33.899 --> 00:15:36.240 And I think it plays out well. 201 00:15:36.299 --> 00:15:42.059 We've talked about who gets the best ending of any companion in New Who. 202 00:15:42.120 --> 00:15:50.399 And I reckon Martha's very much up there and it pays off the being in love with the doctor all the way through. 203 00:15:50.460 --> 00:15:52.559 I would agree with you, Nathan. 204 00:15:52.620 --> 00:16:00.240 I think it pays off at the end, but the path along the way is pretty treacherous and quite arduous at times where you kind of think, just drop this, you know? 205 00:16:00.299 --> 00:16:01.919 I guess we're not up to that yet. 206 00:16:01.980 --> 00:16:07.740 So from looking at the character of Martha in this one. 207 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:15.539 I can see how the writing would, you can, you can kind of see where, where he's going with it, and it's, and it's a bit bronte-isk, isn't it? 208 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:23.279 There's definitely a setup for a fall already because innocence and capability will never go unpunished. 209 00:16:23.340 --> 00:16:25.559 Russell's talk to. 210 00:16:26.580 --> 00:16:31.200 And I wouldn't have cast, I think, any other type of actor. 211 00:16:31.259 --> 00:16:34.799 I think that she's, yes, the persona is there. 212 00:16:34.860 --> 00:16:40.740 And hopefully that will warm up and there'll be a bit more of the Tara King confidence building as the season goes on. 213 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:42.299 I believe there was. 214 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:44.340 But where we are with this one. 215 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:50.159 There's a lot of flashes and distractions and a really able senior supporting cast. 216 00:16:50.220 --> 00:16:55.320 And you've got, um, Anne and Richard, and who else do we have? 217 00:16:55.379 --> 00:16:58.019 Oh, and Francine. 218 00:16:58.080 --> 00:17:01.679 And that's a cruel twist of lime, and that's all you get. 219 00:17:01.740 --> 00:17:04.859 Well, I mean, I wanted the full gin bottle, but I only got it. 220 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:07.380 A little taste. 221 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:11.099 It's a senior cast, most of whom have been in Doctor Who before. 222 00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:13.799 So Francine's been in Doctor Who before. 223 00:17:13.859 --> 00:17:15.299 Obviously, she was one of the cats. 224 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:16.440 Sister Jack. 225 00:17:16.500 --> 00:17:17.400 Hasn't changed much. 226 00:17:17.460 --> 00:17:28.680 No, I actually really, I really like her, and the reason is that Jackie was such a superb effortless comic character. 227 00:17:28.740 --> 00:17:32.579 We adored her at the end of those, um, to years. 228 00:17:32.640 --> 00:17:40.619 Absolutely, you know, I've said before, that I was much more upset about Camille's departure from the shows than I was about Billy's. 229 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:48.539 But so we get Francine and Francine instantly repels any attempt on our part to like her. 230 00:17:48.599 --> 00:17:50.279 She's brittle. 231 00:17:50.339 --> 00:17:53.279 She's super no nonsense. 232 00:17:53.339 --> 00:18:06.779 Um, you know, we immediately see her in conflict, like Martha has to kind of smooth things over so that Francine doesn't get angry at uh, at the party. 233 00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:08.400 Have you never cohabited with a cat? 234 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:12.839 back in the recording studio. 235 00:18:14.099 --> 00:18:16.200 So I think she's wonderful. 236 00:18:16.259 --> 00:18:17.039 I can't wait. 237 00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:17.880 Powerful, isn't it? 238 00:18:17.940 --> 00:18:20.880 She's on the screen for nothing and that's what I remember. 239 00:18:20.940 --> 00:18:27.480 And she's kind of outshining people, I think I said Richard before, but Roy Marsden and Anne Reed as Florence Finnegan and Mr. Stoker. 240 00:18:27.539 --> 00:18:35.099 I said that carefully. is I just, they really are propelling this thing along every time they're on screen, you think, this is, this is fantastic. 241 00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:40.740 I just wish the poet weeds or the older Doctor Who's had had characters that were allowed to play up the comedy. 242 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:48.119 Because I haven't really had a pair like this since Fury from the D. He is really spectacular, I think. 243 00:18:48.180 --> 00:18:56.759 And he kind of underplays like the way he plays being stranded on the moon, you know, looking out and seeing Florida and saying, I'm never going to see my daughter again. 244 00:18:56.819 --> 00:18:59.220 And it's not like he doesn't overplay that. 245 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:00.900 It's he's very restrained. 246 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:01.980 Very believable. 247 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:02.880 He's wonderful. 248 00:19:02.940 --> 00:19:09.720 I'm taking the medical students through and making fun of all of their terrible answers to his questions. 249 00:19:09.779 --> 00:19:12.420 I can't believe that he hasn't been Doctor Who before. 250 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:13.380 Has he? 251 00:19:13.440 --> 00:19:14.819 He was in a big finish earlier that year. 252 00:19:14.880 --> 00:19:15.720 Oh, okay. 253 00:19:15.779 --> 00:19:24.000 He reminded me of who's the fellow with that incredibly fruity voice in the space pirate, the one that Brendan made terrible fun of? 254 00:19:24.059 --> 00:19:28.200 He's just got such a rich kind of BBC voice. 255 00:19:28.259 --> 00:19:28.859 He's wonderful. 256 00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:41.819 And then, of course, we have Anne Reid, who was Nurse Crane in Curse of Fenrik with the accent, and who we've recently seen in years and years, and she's spectacular in that. 257 00:19:41.880 --> 00:19:43.799 Yeah, Russell's had her back. 258 00:19:43.859 --> 00:19:49.259 And I think, you know, he really wanted to get her for this role and she's just so great. 259 00:19:49.319 --> 00:19:50.940 She's so good. 260 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:55.259 Like, she just manages a menace with the humour. 261 00:19:55.319 --> 00:19:57.599 It's just a lovely layered performance. 262 00:19:57.660 --> 00:20:00.299 Like when she talks about, what does she, who does she eat? 263 00:20:00.420 --> 00:20:05.940 She eats the child princess of... 264 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:08.880 Just keep bursting out of my little straw. 265 00:20:08.940 --> 00:20:11.279 And then burn in hell. 266 00:20:12.059 --> 00:20:21.180 She's so funny and that's such a Russell thing, you know, no, it's not, you know, the president of the planet Zog or anything like that. 267 00:20:21.240 --> 00:20:24.359 It's a little princess that she's killed in a little dress. 268 00:20:24.420 --> 00:20:27.180 Football Magnus Brewer. 269 00:20:27.839 --> 00:20:34.259 Oh, dear, and the straw is a ludicrous Bendy straw. not a science fiction straw. 270 00:20:34.319 --> 00:20:36.539 It doesn't have any lights or anything on it. 271 00:20:36.599 --> 00:20:37.619 It's ridiculous. 272 00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:39.539 It's just wonderful. 273 00:20:40.019 --> 00:20:42.539 And she's got her slabs with her. 274 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:47.940 It's the line from Barbarella, isn't it? 275 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:49.079 They are leather men. 276 00:20:49.140 --> 00:20:50.880 They have no actual substance. 277 00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:53.700 So they're completely made of leather. 278 00:20:53.759 --> 00:20:54.420 Yes, yes. 279 00:20:54.480 --> 00:20:55.799 It is from rubber. 280 00:20:55.859 --> 00:20:57.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 281 00:20:57.059 --> 00:20:59.220 Oh, from the planet Zavyrax. 282 00:20:59.279 --> 00:21:00.660 That's brilliant. 283 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:02.819 Yeah, he does great terrific. 284 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:12.480 If the listener doesn't remember, they used those ads in the 90s had a some bloke with a cycle helmet on because he didn't want to show off his massive herpes. 285 00:21:13.680 --> 00:21:15.839 He's a not a boy. 286 00:21:15.900 --> 00:21:18.119 It's a very Russell joke. 287 00:21:18.180 --> 00:21:20.640 Yeah, we had them out in Australia as well. 288 00:21:21.299 --> 00:21:31.259 Back in the old days when the only pop culture references were, you know, a flying saucer with Batman at the controls, which is just utterly baffling and incomprehensible. 289 00:21:31.319 --> 00:21:34.680 That's John Pertley, I think, in his 1st season. 290 00:21:34.740 --> 00:21:42.240 So, you know, referencing a cold sore cream. is really quite a new departure. 291 00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:45.059 And they get destroyed by radiation. 292 00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:52.079 Well, yeah, they get destroyed by sort of whatever's right, anti-science science. 5000 rats, please. 293 00:21:52.140 --> 00:21:55.980 When the doctor gets to get it out of his foot or shoe or whatever it is. 294 00:21:56.039 --> 00:21:57.359 It's a terrible scene. 295 00:21:57.420 --> 00:21:58.319 I hate that scene. 296 00:21:58.380 --> 00:21:59.700 In fact, can we? 297 00:21:59.700 --> 00:22:00.779 Also, he has horrid feet. 298 00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:07.920 Oh, pleasant horsute, boony toes. really not what you want to see on. 299 00:22:07.980 --> 00:22:10.200 Have we seen the doctor there for on TV? 300 00:22:10.259 --> 00:22:12.059 Oh, we've seen Perts. 301 00:22:12.119 --> 00:22:17.279 Bert's back crack, just a little semblance. speaking of intimate parts of the doctor. 302 00:22:17.339 --> 00:22:20.400 I'm going to have to go back and have a look at David Tim. 303 00:22:20.460 --> 00:22:21.240 It was really horrid. 304 00:22:21.299 --> 00:22:22.079 Brace yourself. 305 00:22:22.140 --> 00:22:22.619 Okay. 306 00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:24.359 I hate that scene. 307 00:22:24.420 --> 00:22:29.039 That's a moment where I find tenants performance just completely embarrassing. 308 00:22:29.099 --> 00:22:31.500 And I have to say that there are. 309 00:22:31.619 --> 00:22:32.339 He's not comfortable. 310 00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:32.940 No. 311 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:36.779 And I have to say there are a few other. scenes like that. 312 00:22:37.259 --> 00:22:46.680 You know the scene where he is, for some reason, using his sonic screwdriver on the monitor of the screen in order to get something out of a database? 313 00:22:46.740 --> 00:22:49.740 to get the patient records, which why? 314 00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:51.059 It's not a Mac? 315 00:22:51.779 --> 00:22:55.200 And he has just the worst hair. 316 00:22:55.259 --> 00:23:01.200 Like he's been running his hands through his hair and his hairs all over the place and he just looks stupid, I think, in that scene. 317 00:23:10.259 --> 00:23:13.319 Now we get the introduction of an iconic monster. 318 00:23:13.380 --> 00:23:17.640 Francine, yeah, we'll... 319 00:23:17.700 --> 00:23:23.400 And I've documented this in our podcast that I that I have not liked her at all. 320 00:23:23.460 --> 00:23:24.539 Like, I hate her. 321 00:23:24.599 --> 00:23:26.220 Who want to? 322 00:23:26.220 --> 00:23:27.660 There's so many choices. 323 00:23:27.720 --> 00:23:30.180 Oh, how can you not like fancy? 324 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:31.380 I haven't had a cat. 325 00:23:31.500 --> 00:23:34.200 Nathan and I had a big discussion about this. 326 00:23:34.259 --> 00:23:41.700 And so at this point in time, watching just this episode, she's obviously a damaged woman. 327 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:42.839 She had to be strong for her family. 328 00:23:42.900 --> 00:23:43.680 Yeah, right? 329 00:23:43.740 --> 00:23:49.920 Um, and so, It's a really good performance, and I want to say this, she's a tremendous actress. 330 00:23:49.980 --> 00:23:51.779 Yeah, yeah, she's really something. 331 00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:55.680 But though I may not, I don't dislike the character at this point. 332 00:23:55.740 --> 00:23:56.700 Yeah, okay. 333 00:23:56.759 --> 00:23:59.099 But I think you're meant to dislike that. 334 00:23:59.160 --> 00:24:00.960 I think Russell wants that. 335 00:24:01.019 --> 00:24:02.819 Yeah, he's doing something different. 336 00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:04.019 We loved Jackie. 337 00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:05.819 She was immediately hilarious. 338 00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:07.799 She's the funniest thing in that 1st episode. 339 00:24:07.859 --> 00:24:13.680 And so now he's just getting us by bringing in some brisk and unlikeable. 340 00:24:13.740 --> 00:24:16.799 The comedy elements are being transferred to her husband. 341 00:24:16.859 --> 00:24:22.019 Yeah. and Annalise, but of course they don't appear ever again, except at the end. 342 00:24:22.140 --> 00:24:22.619 I don't know. 343 00:24:22.680 --> 00:24:26.640 I would like to come in as a marginalia in praise of St. 344 00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:27.240 Francine. 345 00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:34.019 Because I would, no, seriously, I do think she is the woman who held the family together and has been tossed over for a younger one. 346 00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:35.460 I'm completely with her. 347 00:24:35.519 --> 00:24:37.200 No, no, no, I agree with you. 348 00:24:37.259 --> 00:24:38.339 This is what I'm getting out of here. 349 00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:44.819 She's she's had to be the rock of the family and her husband has not been a great husband. 350 00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:48.359 He's a wonderful father, but he's a terrible father. a bit of a dope too. 351 00:24:48.420 --> 00:24:51.299 Yeah, it's pretty obvious that the intelligence comes from Francine. 352 00:24:51.359 --> 00:24:52.740 It's true. 353 00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:59.640 Martha is the oldest sibling, is the one that's had to support her mother and look after young. and be the alpha in the family. 354 00:24:59.700 --> 00:25:02.160 And that's where she's this linchpin of the family. 355 00:25:02.220 --> 00:25:07.980 It's absolutely a beautifully constructed scenario that we're going to explore. 356 00:25:08.039 --> 00:25:11.220 I'm totally on board and at the time I wasn't, but I am now. 357 00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:19.079 And I think that that's what the doctor is rescuing her from at the end, you know, the doctor was rescuing Rose from sort of life in a shop. 358 00:25:19.140 --> 00:25:28.740 Whereas here I think she gets into the Tartars because her family are having just this sort of massive public fight in the street and he offers her a way of escaping it. 359 00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:32.460 See, I think I prefer her father in leathers and mind warp. 360 00:25:33.059 --> 00:25:35.400 His acting has an impact. 361 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:38.700 He's in mind warp. 362 00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:39.599 I rubbished him now. 363 00:25:39.660 --> 00:25:40.680 Which one is he's in one of the guards? 364 00:25:40.740 --> 00:25:41.579 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 365 00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:44.160 He's the one who says the rock was proud of his upgrading. 366 00:25:44.220 --> 00:25:49.079 When I recently watched this, I really enjoyed Goo Goo's performance more than Freeman's. 367 00:25:49.140 --> 00:25:50.579 Isn't she shining in this? 368 00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:52.440 She really does, doesn't she? 369 00:25:52.500 --> 00:25:56.220 But frame has leaped ahead of her this time round. 370 00:25:56.279 --> 00:25:57.839 Her performance is much more. 371 00:25:57.900 --> 00:26:00.119 She the younger, the younger sibling. 372 00:26:00.180 --> 00:26:03.599 It's much more a rose type of character, and I see that now for what that is. 373 00:26:03.660 --> 00:26:04.799 I mean, I like her. 374 00:26:04.859 --> 00:26:07.980 But I don't know, I just want to do this with different eyes. 375 00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:09.960 It's just, Nathan, you're smiling. 376 00:26:10.019 --> 00:26:11.460 No, no, no. 377 00:26:11.460 --> 00:26:15.660 And it's because I'm just finding so much more in this from Freeman. 378 00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:16.440 I just blown away. 379 00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:21.960 It's mostly because I can't think of an example where you've rewatched something and then reevaluate. 380 00:26:22.380 --> 00:26:24.779 That actually never happened. 381 00:26:24.779 --> 00:26:25.440 Yes. 382 00:26:25.500 --> 00:26:28.740 Richard, Nathan, listeners, that never happens. 383 00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:30.539 Yes, same chicken smile. 384 00:26:34.740 --> 00:26:40.200 Let's go on to the big monsters for this episode. 385 00:26:40.259 --> 00:26:41.819 John Coleman's not in this. 386 00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:43.440 She's not. 387 00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:44.220 She's coming soon. 388 00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:46.259 Common Bill will be able to comic on. 389 00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:48.900 I'm sure he will. 390 00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:50.279 Did you do? 391 00:26:50.700 --> 00:26:53.339 A platoon. 392 00:26:53.339 --> 00:26:56.400 Yeah, he's got his assonance generator out and running, hasn't he? 393 00:26:56.460 --> 00:26:57.420 I actually like that line. 394 00:26:57.480 --> 00:26:58.980 It's so random. doesn't mean anything. 395 00:26:59.039 --> 00:27:01.680 You know why that light is in there? 396 00:27:01.740 --> 00:27:09.839 It's because the double-O-N sound is really difficult for a Scottish person to say in an English accent. 397 00:27:11.700 --> 00:27:19.859 He's been running around with David. trying to stop him saying platoon. 398 00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:22.680 Like, no, it was deliberate. 399 00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:26.880 It was deliberately done to... don't want to say that word. 400 00:27:26.940 --> 00:27:28.559 That is hilarious. 401 00:27:28.619 --> 00:27:37.500 No, you're right, because I've heard Tenant on his podcast talking about this exact thing with the double O sound with other hackators. 402 00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:45.299 Well, it works for the doctor because, you know, he's super, yeah, he's super verbal, you know, like that's, we'll see that in me. 403 00:27:45.299 --> 00:27:46.140 Gum up, doesn't he? 404 00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:46.799 Yeah, yeah, ever. 405 00:27:46.859 --> 00:27:52.200 And so having him having him just play with words and the sounds of words, I think works really well. 406 00:27:52.259 --> 00:27:53.940 It's a fun line. 407 00:27:54.059 --> 00:27:56.339 What do we think of the monsters themselves? 408 00:27:56.400 --> 00:27:57.539 Okay. 409 00:27:57.779 --> 00:27:59.460 Here I go. 410 00:27:59.579 --> 00:28:00.599 That's own Reed, isn't it? 411 00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:04.619 Absolute fine. 412 00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:09.240 I was really upset the 1st time I watched Clip. 413 00:28:09.299 --> 00:28:09.900 Oh wow. 414 00:28:09.900 --> 00:28:10.799 Oh, because you do. 415 00:28:10.859 --> 00:28:16.200 I was really upset because I felt that they were looking off there's some tyrants from the classic who. 416 00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:21.599 They did feel like that. were sort of in leathers and I thought, well, if the Satarians ever come back, what are they going to do with them? 417 00:28:21.660 --> 00:28:22.200 nowhere to go. 418 00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:22.799 Yeah. 419 00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:24.299 Of course, now I'm over that. 420 00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:25.859 They're fantastic. 421 00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:28.319 The whole design, that whole rhino head. 422 00:28:28.380 --> 00:28:29.759 I think is brilliant. 423 00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:32.460 So we only get to see one big rhino head, don't we? 424 00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:33.839 The rest of them keep their hats on. 425 00:28:33.900 --> 00:28:36.839 There's a lot of them and they look fantastic. 426 00:28:36.900 --> 00:28:39.480 They're all very sort of fetishware, aren't they? 427 00:28:39.539 --> 00:28:43.380 So I really know where Russell spent his early 90s. 428 00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:45.779 I think I prefer them with the Mohawk. 429 00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:47.400 Yeah, so they're coming. 430 00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:48.779 Can't wait. coming back. 431 00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:49.680 Yeah. 432 00:28:49.740 --> 00:28:51.599 And they came back for Sarah Jane Adventures. 433 00:28:51.660 --> 00:28:52.920 Well, they did too, didn't they? 434 00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:53.279 Yes, yes. 435 00:28:53.279 --> 00:29:02.400 A good episode where one was a, he was a sort of cop, um, and they sort of played upon the sort of police thing of the jedune. 436 00:29:02.460 --> 00:29:05.640 But I love the whole, I love their spaceships. 437 00:29:05.700 --> 00:29:06.420 They look fantastic. 438 00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:13.680 I love the fact that they scooped the hospital up onto the moon, which is just a wonderful concept. 439 00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:23.099 And then to assimilate the language to go through that whole little process of actually getting somebody to talk Earth English and put it into their translator. 440 00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:24.660 It's like nothing. 441 00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:26.220 Right, I just don't have an imagination. 442 00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:28.200 I just love the way Russell thinks about these things. 443 00:29:28.259 --> 00:29:32.940 Yeah, it's all something that we haven't seen before. interdimensional magic marker. 444 00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:34.920 Yes, I love that. 445 00:29:34.980 --> 00:29:37.380 And again, if you're going to do that. 446 00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:41.099 You know, like it's it's such a good... 447 00:29:42.779 --> 00:29:44.759 It's so good. 448 00:29:44.819 --> 00:29:48.180 It's so simple, you know, like it's not a space. 449 00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:49.980 Well, it is a space marker, isn't it? 450 00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:50.940 A space sharpie. 451 00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:54.960 But so you get across on your hand. 452 00:29:55.019 --> 00:30:06.299 I think that's what's so wonderful about Russell's writing is he takes something so simple and just goes with it and makes it a science fiction thing without having to be some some convoluted process. 453 00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:08.880 And it's the thing that solves the episode. 454 00:30:08.940 --> 00:30:20.099 Like we reveal and read for who she is. by Freema grabbing the magic marker off one of the Jadoon and pointing it at Anne Reid. 455 00:30:20.220 --> 00:30:24.779 So it's definitely there. and very well established. 456 00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:28.140 So the whole thing sort of fits together really well. 457 00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:30.240 I love their language. 458 00:30:30.299 --> 00:30:35.099 Yes, it's almost as if it's post-Slavic, isn't it? 459 00:30:35.460 --> 00:30:36.539 It's very eastern block. 460 00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:39.000 Well we really know where Russell's coming with this, don't we? 461 00:30:39.059 --> 00:30:52.019 Once again, he's metering the entire discourse of our planet, at least as far as reportage goes, and this is just a comment, around 2006, 2007, the cognitive dissonance of there was no moon landing. 462 00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:53.160 Yeah, yeah. 463 00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:54.960 And that we're now at the 50th moonlighting. 464 00:30:55.019 --> 00:30:59.279 I had 3 people, just the week of the moon landing last week, say, oh, you know it didn't happen. 465 00:30:59.339 --> 00:30:59.880 It was on TV. 466 00:30:59.940 --> 00:31:05.519 I was a chemical engineer, whose father was a senior general in Afghanistan. 467 00:31:05.579 --> 00:31:07.680 So she's, but she's a chemical engineer. 468 00:31:07.740 --> 00:31:09.359 Another one is an architect I worked with. 469 00:31:09.420 --> 00:31:15.180 Another one was a bloke in the queue in high views at the post office, but they all said to me, you know, there was no moon landing. 470 00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:17.819 I said, you know, I ended up saying, I'm so sorry. 471 00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:22.619 And then I got this kind of, you know, quizzical and confrontational. 472 00:31:22.740 --> 00:31:23.160 What do you mean? 473 00:31:23.220 --> 00:31:39.000 I said, well, I'm so sorry that, that's how you have chosen to see 450,000 people's work, including folk I've actually shaken hands with in Australia, who are at, you know, who are on Canberra, who recorded the 1st things. 474 00:31:39.059 --> 00:31:51.539 But Russell again talks about he, he, his horror of where we are with his lightness of touch and like the cognitive dissonance that we are being told not to believe what's in front of our bloody eyes. 475 00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:54.420 So at the end of the hospital, oh no, there's that great line. 476 00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:57.119 And of course, it's Annalise who gets to spiel. 477 00:31:57.180 --> 00:31:59.220 Oh, Facebook bullshit. 478 00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:00.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 479 00:32:01.019 --> 00:32:05.400 Yeah, but it didn't happen, you know, and Martha's being called a liar, of course. 480 00:32:05.460 --> 00:32:19.259 And he goes back to that well in years and years because of course, one of the features of the current world is, you know, people just choosing not to believe that the world is round. 481 00:32:19.259 --> 00:32:20.640 We've actually got that happening now. 482 00:32:20.700 --> 00:32:27.180 And I know it's my usual shtick of Todd, I know it's my usual stick of, oh, you're you're mattering everything and you're going too far. 483 00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:29.279 But I'm not because it's being proven. 484 00:32:29.339 --> 00:32:31.980 This is how Russell thinks in years and years is the evidence. 485 00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:33.839 He was always thinking like this. 486 00:32:33.900 --> 00:32:36.180 When I be doing the Years and Years podcast. 487 00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:37.380 I think doing it now. 488 00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:40.140 Um, I'm Tish. 489 00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:41.579 I hadn't really... 490 00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:45.420 I hadn't thought along those lines at all but I think that's absolutely right. 491 00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:56.099 And the show, because during this era of the show rightly wants to make alien invasions into a big public spectacle, but it still wants to be said in our world. 492 00:32:56.160 --> 00:33:05.640 And they made fun of that, obviously, last episode with Donna, you know, scuba diving during various alien invasions and missing out on them. 493 00:33:05.700 --> 00:33:19.259 So she gets to be someone who's sceptical about aliens because she was hung over or underwater or something when they all happened and somehow she's missed out, anyone filling her in on what happened while she was down there. 494 00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:22.319 And the show has sort of played with that a little bit. 495 00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:33.599 I mean, even when the spaceship sort of crashes into Big Ben, by the end of the episode, there are, you know, headlines in the evening standards saying that it was all a hoax. 496 00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:37.680 And so there is that kind of narrative level of it. 497 00:33:37.740 --> 00:33:49.920 But there is that thing that he wants to say, is that we are really good at justifying choosing not to believe in things that kind of we don't want to believe in. 498 00:33:50.039 --> 00:34:02.039 Martha is a Bridgepoint for the viewer and for us sitting watching it and that she is an ordinary person, very capable and higher IQ ordinary person, sure, but really just an ordinary person who's worked jolly hard. 499 00:34:02.099 --> 00:34:07.980 And with EQ and IQ and he's able to see clearly and call out the nonsense. 500 00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:13.019 And that's how it cypher enrol in this is to say, you're all bloody misleading yourselves. 501 00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:15.239 And that's the lovely thing. 502 00:34:15.300 --> 00:34:20.400 I think that's why she's fallen for the doctor because she's a, she's she's actually quite a Homeric character, isn't she? 503 00:34:20.460 --> 00:34:22.380 She's constantly in search of the truth. 504 00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:25.559 And if David's doctor is her golden fleece. 505 00:34:25.619 --> 00:34:29.940 That's why she's fallen for him because he is the final destination of truth. 506 00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:31.380 Well, they're both doctors. 507 00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:34.019 So they're both, you know, they're both going. 508 00:34:34.019 --> 00:34:34.860 That should be illegal, really. 509 00:34:34.860 --> 00:34:37.199 Yeah. 510 00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:39.539 And that's why she's so good. 511 00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:43.559 And she's been touched by all of this because her cousin... 512 00:34:44.699 --> 00:34:46.739 Stop it, man. 513 00:34:46.739 --> 00:34:47.880 Just stop he's nudging me. 514 00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:50.460 That stays in. 515 00:34:51.900 --> 00:34:53.820 Heaven help me. 516 00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:55.619 Please save me now. 517 00:34:55.739 --> 00:35:00.300 Um, like her cousin was at Canary Wharf and never returned. 518 00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:01.500 And so she's been touched by this. 519 00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:04.440 Just played by the same accent. 520 00:35:05.460 --> 00:35:07.139 Totally a thing. 521 00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:07.980 Yeah. 522 00:35:07.980 --> 00:35:08.760 Probably. 523 00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:09.539 Well, that's all right. 524 00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:17.039 We're okay with, you know, Ian Martin turning up 2 years later, or let's face it, Colin Baker turning up a year later in the title role of the show. 525 00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:22.380 Maybe her father wasn't... infidelity... 526 00:35:22.380 --> 00:35:25.800 Yeah, having a fur with Francine's sister or something. 527 00:35:25.860 --> 00:35:27.900 Oh, we didn't Twitter. 528 00:35:30.420 --> 00:35:34.199 Why didn't they explore that more during this season? 529 00:35:34.260 --> 00:35:36.300 Back to the Jadoon. 530 00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:46.500 I like the fact that the doctor describes them as like space cops or whatever, and then they go, that poor man that assaults them, he's just executed. 531 00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:47.340 Yeah, yeah. 532 00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:53.340 So that you get the sense that they are pretty harsh in their judgement. 533 00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:54.480 Give them a bit more menace. 534 00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:57.239 I thought it was for your benefit because... 535 00:35:57.300 --> 00:36:01.320 Yeah, yeah, because you get rather sort of weary if there aren't enough deaths in Doctor Who. 536 00:36:01.380 --> 00:36:05.340 And so we have 2 here. 537 00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:11.579 We have Mr. Stoker, and we have the person who hits the Jadoon with a vase. 538 00:36:11.579 --> 00:36:17.340 And it also gives us a chance to do another sort of another new effect for people being destroyed. 539 00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:23.280 Because one of the things that the design always does in this era is completely new spaceships, like you talked about before, Todd. 540 00:36:23.340 --> 00:36:34.559 Yeah, yeah, each spaceship that we've seen has looked really different and isn't just the sort of standard detergent bottle with a few things stuck on that we got in the Hingecliffe era for spaceships. 541 00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:36.239 You know the most exciting thing. 542 00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:40.199 For me, I really wish we had got a plastic washing up bottle. 543 00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:42.000 You know who the directory is, Charles Palmer. 544 00:36:42.059 --> 00:36:52.199 And you did a whole few of this season. you know, cooking in Shakespeare code. and I'll go on to why I think this is all about cognitive dissonance because the next story is about how Shakespeare wrote Shakespeare. 545 00:36:52.260 --> 00:36:53.519 This whole season's about that. 546 00:36:53.579 --> 00:36:56.159 But jumping back, Charles Palmer's dad is Jeffrey Palmer. 547 00:36:56.219 --> 00:36:56.940 Yes, yes. 548 00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:59.400 That's very owned Jeffrey Palmer. 549 00:36:59.460 --> 00:37:02.219 The only one who's married to Penelope Keith and everything. 550 00:37:03.059 --> 00:37:07.260 But he, of course, appears in what colony in space. 551 00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:08.400 So, isn't he? 552 00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:09.000 isn't he? 553 00:37:09.059 --> 00:37:10.920 Yes, he's inside your... 554 00:37:10.980 --> 00:37:16.380 Yeah, and later on he'll come back to be on the Titanic with Kylie. 555 00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:17.039 He will. 556 00:37:17.099 --> 00:37:19.559 Well, we weren't going ahead of ourselves there. 557 00:37:19.619 --> 00:37:21.300 Back to... 558 00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:22.559 Oh my god, I can't say. 559 00:37:22.619 --> 00:37:25.260 But did you say to this gorgeous shark? 560 00:37:26.699 --> 00:37:29.340 Don't do that No, I can't. 561 00:37:29.340 --> 00:37:30.300 Don't do the accent. 562 00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:33.000 Back to the space rhinos. 563 00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:37.619 I love their compensation thing with Martha as well. 564 00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:38.519 That bit of comedy. 565 00:37:38.579 --> 00:37:40.199 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 566 00:37:40.260 --> 00:37:42.960 Like it's just... tickles my fancy. 567 00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:46.860 They are really good. and they're not villains. 568 00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:51.119 Like, we've got a proper villain who, again, is a comedy villain in Anne Reid. 569 00:37:51.179 --> 00:37:53.099 So these are just sort of aliens. 570 00:37:53.219 --> 00:38:01.320 And I think that they are sort of different enough from the Santarians in the fact that, you know, their whole sort of concept is kind of different. 571 00:38:01.380 --> 00:38:06.659 And we bring this on tyrants back, perhaps not particularly successfully, in the future. 572 00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:10.019 Um, but, you know, until you get tracks. 573 00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:11.340 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 574 00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:12.840 That's when they kind of do it right. 575 00:38:12.900 --> 00:38:15.780 But they have to do it by kind of undoing this on torrance a little bit. 576 00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:18.599 I don't think we can ever use them again, for instance. 577 00:38:29.099 --> 00:38:32.579 An appreciation, audience figure of 88. 578 00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:34.980 I think I've got 8.700000 in the UK. 579 00:38:34.980 --> 00:38:35.940 It was ninth. 580 00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:37.079 Not really the expert on this. 581 00:38:37.139 --> 00:38:38.699 I'm just a fanboy. 582 00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:40.619 So it's in the back of my head somewhere. 583 00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:42.599 8.71 million. 584 00:38:42.659 --> 00:38:43.500 Oh, there you go. 585 00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:44.039 Thank you, James. 586 00:38:44.099 --> 00:38:47.099 Let's see. most popular broadcast on television that week. 587 00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:49.079 Ah, top 10 episodes. 588 00:38:49.139 --> 00:38:49.679 Yeah. 589 00:38:49.739 --> 00:38:53.159 It did better in terms of the chart than Runaway Bride. 590 00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:53.880 Right. 591 00:38:53.940 --> 00:38:54.480 Really? 592 00:38:54.539 --> 00:38:55.199 Yeah. 593 00:38:55.260 --> 00:39:00.659 Well, because Runaway brides at Christmas and has about 15 episodes of EastEnders to come in behind, probably. 594 00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:01.199 Okay, yes. 595 00:39:01.260 --> 00:39:01.679 Yeah. 596 00:39:01.739 --> 00:39:06.539 I like the fact that the Sonic screwdriver gets destroyed and then... 597 00:39:06.539 --> 00:39:09.840 Nathan did too, because he was hoping for a terrelep. 598 00:39:10.860 --> 00:39:13.079 Then I should rephrase that. 599 00:39:13.139 --> 00:39:20.159 It does cheapen the fact that it gets destroyed back in the Dark Ages of the Davis and era. like you can just replace it like that. 600 00:39:20.219 --> 00:39:28.800 But it's nice to have it not there, so they actually have to find a different way to stop things, i.e. pulling out the cord from the yeah, unplugging it. 601 00:39:28.860 --> 00:39:31.980 And... 602 00:39:31.980 --> 00:39:37.739 Which I just think it's just so clever and obvious that it's never really been... 603 00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:45.480 I actually really like how Martha's leafing through the instruction manual on the MRI thing to find out what button to press as well. 604 00:39:45.539 --> 00:39:52.739 Like, you know, it's sort of comedy and silly, but it also is character stuff about how incredibly competent she is. 605 00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:59.099 Yes, she's presented with a problem and she's got to solve it and she just deals with it, right? 606 00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:00.300 This is the thing I've got to get it done. 607 00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:03.239 I just think she's just so practical that way. 608 00:40:03.300 --> 00:40:05.219 It's also the moment too. 609 00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:23.699 And I'm not quite sure that Freeman completely sells it or whether maybe the scene is a little bit overwritten, but when they're out kind of on the smoker's balcony, you know, uh, of the hospital, sort of near the patient lounge, and the doctor and Freeman get their 1st sort of proper chance to talk. 610 00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:29.639 And the 1st thing that she says is, you know, I might die, but this is beautiful. 611 00:40:29.699 --> 00:40:30.840 I'm on the moon. 612 00:40:30.900 --> 00:40:33.539 You know, she's the one who realises they're on the moon. 613 00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:38.099 And I think that that is kind of a mission statement here. 614 00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:40.440 It's not just that she's super competent. 615 00:40:40.500 --> 00:41:02.579 It's not just that she kind of sort of sacrifices her life in a way, you know, to save the doctor to make sure that the doctor's able to sort of solve the problem and save everyone. is that she appreciates the beauty of the universe in a way that the doctor does as well. 616 00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:05.340 So she ticks all the boxes. 617 00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:07.079 She's kind of the perfect companion. 618 00:41:07.860 --> 00:41:19.800 It's a doctor also working through his loss of rose, still, from the previous episodes, and it's that journey that he's undertaking from Runaway bride through these 1st few. 619 00:41:19.860 --> 00:41:23.639 Is he horrible in this episode? 620 00:41:23.699 --> 00:41:24.719 To her? 621 00:41:24.780 --> 00:41:26.340 Well, kind of to everyone. 622 00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:33.059 There's another young woman who's presumably another medical student in the room with a Jedun. 623 00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:34.679 No, no, with Martha. 624 00:41:34.739 --> 00:41:35.460 No, you. 625 00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:37.079 Yeah, not you. leave her. 626 00:41:37.139 --> 00:41:37.800 She's crying. 627 00:41:37.860 --> 00:41:39.000 Too slow, leave her. 628 00:41:39.059 --> 00:41:41.039 Yeah, which is really horrible. 629 00:41:41.099 --> 00:41:43.380 And she actually is horrible. 630 00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:45.000 She's not incompetent. 631 00:41:45.059 --> 00:41:49.260 You know, Martha checks in with her later. to get the stuff about the oxygen. 632 00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:51.420 And she's actually, she's doctoring. 633 00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:53.099 She's helping people. 634 00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:55.920 She's just in a moment of terror and not coping. 635 00:41:55.980 --> 00:41:58.079 And the doctor just dismisses her immediately. 636 00:41:58.139 --> 00:41:59.460 That is this doctor. 637 00:41:59.579 --> 00:42:00.239 Yeah. 638 00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:03.239 And they've never all been entirely nice. have they? 639 00:42:03.300 --> 00:42:08.519 I think we all get it wrong when we turn into certain kinds of fangirls and go, oh, he's so romantic and lovely. 640 00:42:08.579 --> 00:42:09.360 No, he's not. 641 00:42:09.420 --> 00:42:15.000 He'll leave you in a crater with a horrible, horrible man radiated with Daleks just behind your back door. 642 00:42:15.059 --> 00:42:16.320 I think... 643 00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:17.340 I think... 644 00:42:17.340 --> 00:42:22.500 Suck it, boys, poised and ready to remove the last of your hope. 645 00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:25.619 But don't you think he's kind of horrible to her in? 646 00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:26.400 He never comes back. 647 00:42:26.460 --> 00:42:27.659 No, no. 648 00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:47.039 Um, he's he is kind of horrible to her, though, in the TARDIS as well, where he says, you know, you're just going on a trip and that's all and like, you know, you're not replacing her and you're kind of, um, and I don't know whether that's the lines or whether those lines are kind of written to us as the audience or what. 649 00:42:47.099 --> 00:42:56.219 Do you think he's being horribly, horribly meta Russell Clever and actually writing the doctor with some of Rose's persona because you know that's where he got the accent from? 650 00:42:56.280 --> 00:43:00.659 Oh, so maybe he's being sort of selfish and stuff. 651 00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:12.420 Well, I like to think that Capaldi is part of Capaldi's doctor is part of Amy, and that's why he's as preserved, well, he's as Amy-like as he can be. 652 00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:13.199 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 653 00:43:13.260 --> 00:43:14.579 I don't know. 654 00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:18.480 I think it's a bit of bravado or... 655 00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:21.900 He's just trying... he doesn't want... 656 00:43:21.900 --> 00:43:25.260 He obviously likes master. 657 00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:25.559 Yeah. 658 00:43:25.619 --> 00:43:37.199 And he's just gone through a loss, and he's seen that so many times, and it's him sort of dealing with that saying, well, it's only one trip, you know, I'm just, I can't want to cope with saying you're going to be here forever. 659 00:43:37.260 --> 00:43:42.000 Like, because that would be, I can't guarantee that, but he's not verbalising that. 660 00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:46.019 He does just come across as a bit obnoxious though. 661 00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:49.559 And you can see him softening even over the course of the next 2 episodes. 662 00:43:49.619 --> 00:43:51.360 He's going to be horrible to her again next week. 663 00:43:51.420 --> 00:43:53.340 He's oblivious to how horrible he is. 664 00:43:53.340 --> 00:43:55.739 And her reactions actually sell that really well. 665 00:43:55.800 --> 00:44:00.360 We all are, though, especially with those who are more in love with us than we are with them. 666 00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:03.420 I mean, this is actually Shakespeare. we end up with him next week. 667 00:44:03.480 --> 00:44:04.380 It is. 668 00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:05.219 Yeah, yeah. 669 00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:07.619 Can't see Mary Tam putting up with it, can you? 670 00:44:08.099 --> 00:44:11.760 She'd be straight at him with a locator muticore. 671 00:44:11.820 --> 00:44:13.139 That's right. 672 00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:15.119 And burn a hole in his frontage. 673 00:44:15.539 --> 00:44:17.579 That's a big hole. 674 00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:18.539 K9 did it for me. 675 00:44:18.659 --> 00:44:19.739 I've got the all in on it. 676 00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:23.699 I do like her reaction to the whole Tartars. 677 00:44:24.059 --> 00:44:26.519 I love the mouthing, yes. 678 00:44:26.579 --> 00:44:29.820 Oh, when he goes, it's bigger on the inside than the outside. 679 00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:32.460 That is massive by tenon. 680 00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:34.500 No, that's brilliant. 681 00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:36.239 And I'm so glad that she gets to say that. 682 00:44:36.300 --> 00:44:37.320 Yeah. 683 00:44:37.380 --> 00:44:38.760 It's just so perfect. 684 00:44:38.820 --> 00:44:42.599 And when he talks about being a time lord and she goes, oh, well, not pompous at all. 685 00:44:42.659 --> 00:44:45.300 Like, that's so, that's so Martha. 686 00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:46.920 I love that Martha thing. 687 00:44:46.980 --> 00:44:48.539 It's very Liz Sladden too, isn't it? 688 00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:50.519 I know you're a timelord. 689 00:44:51.300 --> 00:44:53.880 This is why I'm falling in love with her. 690 00:44:53.940 --> 00:44:56.760 She might be my MVP. 691 00:44:56.820 --> 00:44:57.960 This season. 692 00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:01.199 Yes, James, you've got those James. 693 00:45:01.619 --> 00:45:04.260 Martha's visible pantelion. 694 00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:07.739 The tattoo's visible. 695 00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:08.579 Yeah, yeah. 696 00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:14.340 I know, I think she's I think she got that with the spittle, because it's the pert wee tattoo. just keeps jumping around. 697 00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:16.019 It's a tattoo. 698 00:45:16.019 --> 00:45:17.099 It's a tattoo. 699 00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:20.039 You know the joke, though, that that's the Corsairs tattoo. 700 00:45:20.099 --> 00:45:22.019 Oh, he's tattoo. 701 00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:23.460 Go back and watch Spearhead from Space. 702 00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:24.780 There's shenanigans there, James. 703 00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:29.219 Say it 3 times and there'll be a big finish spinoff about this tattoo. written by boys. 704 00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:38.940 I like and it's a very rustly thing that she observes that the spaceship's made of wood. 705 00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:41.099 Your spaceship's made of wood. 706 00:45:41.159 --> 00:45:48.179 That is, you know, again, it's just that earthy normal thing. that Russell kind of brings to the table. 707 00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:48.900 It's very sweet. 708 00:45:49.019 --> 00:45:50.820 I think he's a bit proud of that line. 709 00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:53.519 I'm sure that it gets a mention in confidential or something. 710 00:45:53.579 --> 00:45:55.860 Except it's actually metal, isn't it? 711 00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:57.539 Because that's what Chester Field says. 712 00:45:57.599 --> 00:45:58.739 Oh does he? 713 00:45:58.800 --> 00:45:59.159 Yes. 714 00:45:59.219 --> 00:46:01.440 And of course, police boxes are concrete. 715 00:46:01.500 --> 00:46:03.179 So yes. 716 00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:07.500 We know these things, don't we? 717 00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:08.340 So you don't have to. 718 00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:13.260 Look, I just have to say that I thoroughly enjoyed this. 719 00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:14.760 I mean, I'm giving this a solid eight. 720 00:46:14.820 --> 00:46:17.099 I think creamer is an absolute revelation and delight. 721 00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:23.159 The family I'm liking the performances and it's a really confident star to... 722 00:46:23.219 --> 00:46:25.559 I'm open to seeing how we are. 723 00:46:49.619 --> 00:46:52.619 Well, they're listening, that's all we have time for this week. 724 00:46:52.679 --> 00:47:00.960 We'll be back next week for our annual celebrity historical cage match between Gareth Roberts and William Shakespeare in the Shakespeare code. 725 00:47:01.019 --> 00:47:07.320 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts and you can keep up with us at flightsthroughentirety.com. 726 00:47:07.380 --> 00:47:11.039 Flight through entirety on Facebook and at FTE podcast on Twitter. 727 00:47:11.099 --> 00:47:25.500 You can also find our series 11 flashcast, Jody Intetera, at Jodyintetera.com, and at Jody Intetera on Twitter, and our James Bond commentary podcast, Bondfinger at bondfinger.com, at bondfinger on Facebook, and at bondfingercast on Twitter. 728 00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:30.239 Until next time, please remember to be kind to your new stepmother, Annalise. 729 00:47:30.300 --> 00:47:33.179 She's really very lovely when you get to know her. 730 00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:35.039 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 731 00:47:35.099 --> 00:47:35.820 Good night. 732 00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:37.440 I was seduced. 733 00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:39.059 Again. 734 00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:42.239 Good night, everyone. 735 00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:42.900 See you soon. 736 00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:51.300 That was Flight for Entirety, starring Todd Beeleby, Nathan Bottomley, James Hellwood, and Richard Stone. 737 00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:55.260 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, String's performance by Jane Orberg. 738 00:47:55.320 --> 00:48:02.219 This episode, the Tara King Confidence, was recorded on the 28th of July 2019 and released on the 15th of September. 739 00:48:05.460 --> 00:48:16.199 Like many of you, we have a love of Doctor Who that owes an enormous amount to the work of Terence Diggs, and so we would like to dedicate this silly episode to his memory. 740 00:48:19.260 --> 00:48:20.880 The blue suit. 741 00:48:20.940 --> 00:48:22.500 Love the blue suit. 742 00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:24.719 I know did the blue suit. in my notes. 743 00:48:24.780 --> 00:48:25.559 I said the blue suit. 744 00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:37.260 Yeah, I got sort of halfway through the episode before I realised that we'd never seen it before, and it is really good, and it's used as so often to kind of indicate the doctor a 2 time period. 745 00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:40.440 So, um, when he stops Martha in the street. 746 00:48:40.500 --> 00:48:43.980 He's wearing his brown suit. that he takes his tie off. 747 00:48:44.039 --> 00:48:46.500 Oh my goodness. 748 00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:48.119 That's the joke. 749 00:48:48.179 --> 00:48:50.099 The fact that he changed the colour of the suit. 750 00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:51.239 Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. 751 00:48:51.300 --> 00:48:58.800 So he was in the blue suit and then so I actually really like that that you're only allowed to cross your own timeline for the sake of cheap tricks. 752 00:48:58.860 --> 00:49:01.079 And I never got the joke. 753 00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:01.860 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 754 00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:03.420 Like, I go, he's just gone into the TARDIS. 755 00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:04.320 He's taken off his tie. 756 00:49:04.380 --> 00:49:04.739 That's it. 757 00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:06.780 The tires are faint. 758 00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:19.079 Yeah, is deliberately there to make you think, oh, he's just taking this tie off, but do you realise in that split 2nd is changed his suit and gone back in time and taken his tie off in front of her and then come back? 759 00:49:19.139 --> 00:49:19.980 Yeah. 760 00:49:19.980 --> 00:49:24.059 Thank you, FTE, for explaining that to me because I've never got that before. 761 00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:28.800 I don't think I consciously realised until I was watching it like last night. 762 00:49:28.860 --> 00:49:30.179 Preparation. 763 00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:32.579 I'm an idiot Just wait one second. 764 00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:33.960 I don't think that's true. 765 00:49:34.019 --> 00:49:36.539 I think he's wearing the brown suit in that final scene. 766 00:49:36.659 --> 00:49:38.460 He is wearing the brown superfinals. 767 00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:39.239 So he doesn't change. 768 00:49:39.300 --> 00:49:40.800 He doesn't change suit. 769 00:49:40.860 --> 00:49:41.099 Yeah. 770 00:49:41.159 --> 00:49:43.139 Get it up on Plex. 771 00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:46.019 Well, he does in the final scene, but he's wearing the blue all the way through. 772 00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:47.280 So check that's different. 773 00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:48.300 And if that's right. 774 00:49:48.300 --> 00:49:54.239 No, I think that's fine because it is a different colour from the same from the body's wearing for the rest of the episode. 775 00:49:54.300 --> 00:49:55.559 Yeah, that's right. 776 00:49:55.619 --> 00:49:56.219 Hang on. 777 00:49:56.579 --> 00:50:01.440 If he still, if he's wearing the brown suit, goes into the TARDIS and just says the tie, right? 778 00:50:01.500 --> 00:50:02.699 And he's got a brown suit earlier. 779 00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:08.340 If it's all brown, like to say we were wrong in our conversation we just had, then what's the joke? 780 00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:11.579 Well, the joke is that he went back in time and took off his time. 781 00:50:11.639 --> 00:50:13.619 Yeah, which is pretty crack. 782 00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:17.940 I can see 16 pages, threads of text on gallery base about this. 783 00:50:18.059 --> 00:50:21.420 I only need to say it 3 times. 784 00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:26.820 When is my Anne Reid and Roy Marsden spinoff series coming, Nicholas Briggs? 785 00:50:26.880 --> 00:50:27.900 Are there dollies? 786 00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:29.099 There ought to be. 787 00:50:29.699 --> 00:50:31.679 There ought to be.