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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight or Entirety, the

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only Doctor Who podcast full of salty fats and vintage wines and

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all those Michelin star sauces.

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We're delicious.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm James.

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I'm Todd, and I'm an NHS slightly see-through oversized brine

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nylon 90 for this one.

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Of course you are.

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Well, the show ended its two-year run mere months ago, and so all

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of Britain is tuning in this week to find out whether it's even

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possible to conceive of a Doctor Who, after the shock departure of

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Camille Kaduri.

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Can anything ever be the same again after the 1st meeting of Smith

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and Joan?

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Yeah.

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What could happen on an average beautiful day?

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You never know.

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Summer breaks seasonal changes.

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It's hotcore, brother.

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On a beautiful...

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Turn out of 10 for teeth.

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Excellent teeth on the new gill.

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Very good.

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So, I mean, we open, don't we?

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Let's do this.

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Doing a street scene again.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And last week.

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Well, not last week.

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Last Christmas, we restarted the show with that opening shot of

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the moon heading down to Earth and then Donna's wedding, and I

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guess that was a way of saying, well, the show is restarting, but

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we've sort of found a way to do it.

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Here we don't have an opening thing.

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We go straight into the...

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Yeah, yeah.

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And then we see Martha.

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And I guess she's introduced to us very economically.

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It's a pretty good scene.

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It's a very now television scene, like having the mobile phone and

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cutting between all of her family and introducing.

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Could you imagine?

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Back in 1980 with Tegan, having a phone going off in the house, and

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then she's talking to her grandfather, and then Auntie Vanessa has

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a phone in the car or some big, huge gadget thing, and then

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she...

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Colin Fraser.

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She speaks to Colin. you know, and then they have to, they go down

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the freeway and then they find a police box and they talk to

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that.

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Could you imagine that?

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That's a great way to introduce all the family and selling

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regulars.

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And then her aunt gets horribly mad.

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In 25 minutes.

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But here it's all done in like 2 minutes.

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And it's very clear that what Martha's job is in the family is to

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kind of smooth things over.

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Like Tish calls to kind of get her to persuade her father not to

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bring Annalise, who is one of the great characters of the RTD.

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He names these creatures, doesn't it?

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Well, we had Naris last time, who I just think he's spectacular.

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I was about to say, like, you know, he's trying, like, for 3

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episodes in a row, we had the wonderful Jackie, and then it's like

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we don't have Jackie anymore, so now we've got Neres, and now

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we've got Annelise.

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I mean, she never appears ever again.

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But, you know, that joke at the end of the episode.

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It's just, I just burst out laughing where Martha's mum says, you

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stole my husband.

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He seduced me.

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And it's just like, he really, did he?

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Like, 0 my god.

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So we've got some people who've gone on to doing incredibly well

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as well.

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Like all of these people, like Joe Ando has been in a bunch of

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things.

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Russell's used her again.

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She's got a big career.

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Goo Goo Mabatha Raw is in everything these days, including the

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sort of spectacular San Junipero from Black Mirror, and then

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Reggie Yates, who was apparently famous, but we didn't know about

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him then.

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That's her brother Leo.

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And so Leo comes back, but not quite as often as Russell had

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originally hoped, I think.

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But Tish will be following Tish's career.

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She has a very eventful week.

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Yeah, and again, he's done the same thing with Rose, hasn't he?

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No pre-title sequence.

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I was trying to think, why is this like Rose's introduction?

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This is the new girl.

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Front and centre. and this is her family and she's here to stay.

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I really meant what I said in the opening.

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It was really hard to imagine what Doctor Who could do without the

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Powell estate without Mickey and Jackie and Rose, who had been so

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important to the show.

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And then, you know, you can't do the same thing again.

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Russell has to choose to do something different.

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And the shocking difference, I think, with the family is that

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they're...

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I was going to say, because Rose isn't upper middle class.

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No, more working class.

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Yeah, and here we've got an actress of colour cast in the role.

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And so the whole supporting cast, obviously, is.

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And it's well overdue in Doctor Who.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well, yes, it's not like they had to powder up Louise Jameson.

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But that is actually sort of a huge, a huge thing, isn't it?

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Suddenly you've got this massive cast of black actors, it has semi

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regulars, and I think it's a fantastic thing, and I think also

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it's meant to kind of sweeten the pill of having an upper middle

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class family who would otherwise be inclined to dislike.

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So looking forward to Sophie Aldred's comments on the sofa when

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this is re-released.

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That's it.

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They're not as posh as I was when I was on the show, you know.

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Well, no one was.

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And and of course, she's because she's sort of older.

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She's not being rescued from something so much.

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Yes, that nice thing that we get now in the 21st century, all we

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were supposed to get it with Liz Sladden.

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It kind of is actually a bit like Sarah James' 1st story, where

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she's very much part of the narrative and pushing it along and

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solving problems along, Geroff, murder, cup of day, that sort of

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upper middle-class behaviour.

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Yeah, very much so.

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In fact, there was quite a few little parallels to the time

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warrior.

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So she kind of has to prove herself to the doctor in this.

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And, you know, the doctor starts to like her, I think, when they

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sort of 1st meet in the hospital, but he's sort of peripheral to

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the story for quite a long time, I think.

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It does spend a lot of time establishing her.

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There are a number of moments where she actually drives the plot

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more than he does as well, where she basically, like, starts

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trying to solve the problem even before he said anything.

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When they're on the balcony, she starts working out the problem.

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She shows herself to be an intelligent and capable character quite

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quickly.

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Yeah, I like how, and you're quite right, James.

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I just like the way in which she's presented with different

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problems and she takes a moment to process it and then work out

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what she's going to do and deal with whatever she's thrown up

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against, you know?

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And there was a strength in her.

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I think there's just this strength.

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The fact that she's slightly older than Rose.

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She's obviously the older sibling, the other 2 are younger, and in

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that opening scene, you know, it's obvious the parents' marriage

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has broken down.

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And there's a real strength in Framer's performance that you can

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see the parallels with her mother.

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But she's also got aspects of her father, who's quite comedy.

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She actually has some nice little asides and one liners.

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It's actually a really beautiful nuanced performance by Freeman.

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Now, I just want to say this to the listeners, and you might have

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gathered that previously I dismissed famous performances, Martha

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has been okay.

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I've talked about Martha's blank face, where I have spoken to

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Brendan about this, where I felt that she wasn't get the motive.

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Well, I'm wrong.

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And she is just, I just, I'm just, my, my opinion has completely

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changed.

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Interesting.

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So is mine, but to back to where you were in the beginning.

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Because there's more than one slab on set.

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Wow.

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No, no, she's lovely and warm and charming, but as our friend

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Kevin Johnson, who taught it Nyder for, I think, a half a century

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almost, you know, they're C class actors.

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Oh, that's a bit harsh, isn't it?

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It's a term they use, which means that lots of warm plots of charm

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but it's not getting over.

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I'm seeing a person reading a lovely person reading lines.

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I'm not getting involved in a character.

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See, I mean, I think that, you know, the character as written is a

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little bit less.

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Well, we've had more time with Rose, I guess.

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But, you know, that sort of slight, you know, we were constantly

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sort of cross-it rows for being sort of selfish and thoughtless

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and things and that wasn't all she was.

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But in a way, Freema's character is kind of designed to be the

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perfect companion.

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And, um, you know, she's smart and resourceful and thoughtful and

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caring and selfless.

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And she's willing to put up with a whole heap of stuff to go

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through a lot of stuff to help people.

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And so maybe that character isn't quite as complex.

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But I've seen actors do a lot more with a lot less.

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No, I just think it's about performance and you know, and just the

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way to get your character.

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It's almost alchemy, the way it works on camera.

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And it's different from theatres.

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She might actually be okay in theatre.

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And she's also an angournue and all the rest of it.

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But the great warmth, great charm, and you can see just what

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magnetism she has in interviews and her enthusiasm.

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And all of that is there, but there is the quintessential. there

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is that 5th element that an actor needs to get that across.

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And we still haven't actually been able to isolate what that is.

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And you don't always know it.

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In fact, it doesn't, the camera is a filter.

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Sometimes it allows and it magnifies and sometimes it actually

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just shuts off.

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So the warmth of a person doesn't come through.

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But anyway, that's kind of what I'm getting from this episode.

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And that's a disappointment for me because it is a strong light

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story and Russell shows that you can have a Buckminster full of

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geodesic dome of great volume and surface area, but very lightness

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very much lightness of structure.

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I think that is something that I'm sort of keen to talk about

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because the actual plot, yes.

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I think we should be talking about moon architecture, considering

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the time of year that this is.

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The plot is very, very straightforward.

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And I think it works incredibly well.

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We haven't yet really properly established a pattern where the 1st

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episode is kind of light and maybe a bit comedic.

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I maybe, I guess, with the 3rd season, that's when the pattern is

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sort of finally established.

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But the fact that the initial problem is that rain is falling

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upwards is so easily comprehensible.

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It's not that the doctors, you know, getting emissions well into

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the E-band or something.

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Do you know what I mean?

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It's the rains falling up.

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And I really think that that's, you know, something that Russell

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does really well, something that we haven't ever thought of before

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and that is super obvious.

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And, you know, the technobabble used to justify the HTO scoop is

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pretty rudimentary. but it makes for a great image I think.

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I like it as a condensatory heat runoff from all that energy thing

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thing.

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We're 7 days off the moon landing after the 50th anniversary.

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That's what I mentioned, that's when we're recording.

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So there'll be lots of fascinating facts.

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Todd.

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That's your trip.

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I think this is the most confident.

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Opener to date.

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And I love that brain falling up and actually having the whole

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hospital taken up to the moon.

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It's just something that I never would have thought of.

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No, and it just works so well.

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I just think this whole story is so confident.

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And I'm going to disagree with Man City next to me, Richard.

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I, you know, Rich and I did not like Martha that much, but I just

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changed my mind completely.

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I just think she's fantastic in this entire story.

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I really think she's got the it factor.

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And I think it's really hard to follow up, Rose, and I'm glad that

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we had a brake last week.

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The doctors managed to get to a point where he can accept roses

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gone, which is so vital.

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You could not have had this companion in the Christmas special, you

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needed that stock gap.

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And I just believe that throughout this entire episode she just

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shines.

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I have only watched this far.

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I haven't watched any further into series 3 yet.

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I mean, I've watched it before, but I'm really looking forward to

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seeing how I respond to Freeman's performance.

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The hardest thing is that she's following up from Billy Piper in 2

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years of what she's delivered and the fact that she's not, she's

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the not rows, basically.

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And I think that's a real noose around her neck.

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And during this episode, of course, the doctor kisses her, for

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genetic transference and a plug device.

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Um, and when she, you know, this man's walked into her life, this

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all this stuff's happening, he owns he spits.

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Do you know what I think the kiss is?

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It's a rehash of the conversation that we had in our episode at

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the end of series one where Rose and the doctor have a kiss and

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some of us wanted to insist that it was a science fiction kiss and

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some of us wanted to say that it was a kiss.

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And here the doctor is the person who says, no, this is just a

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science fiction case.

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And Martha, for Martha, is a kiss, you know, like she reacts to

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it.

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And perhaps for me, that's the part of the episode that I don't

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like so much, is that, you know, she's immediately kind of won

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over by the doctor's invincible charms, one kiss and, you know

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she's sort of suddenly in love with him.

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And there's a scene, she does a face in the final scene in the

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Tartars, where she says, no, look, I'm not interested in you at

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all, and then sort of turns slightly to Cameron, pulls a face to

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make it clear to us, but in fact, she is.

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And, you know, like, I think that's okay.

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But I do think that it all happens rather suddenly.

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Oh, look, I would agree with you, and it's, it's really a hard

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thing to judge at this point.

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Yahoo fans only know of pros being in love with the doctor.

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And so does it make sense to go there again, as classic fans, we're

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used to not having people in love with the doctor.

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Do we just ignore the fact that people could fall in love with him

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that quickly?

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It's a road that they're taking.

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Is it a noose around this character's neck?

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And we'll see that throughout the season.

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We'll explore that.

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Because certainly the following year we react against that

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immediately, don't we?

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With the, you know, the I don't want to mate conversation that

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Donna and the doctor have in partners in crime, Russell very

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definitely kind of takes on board the criticism or sees what the

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being in love plot does to Martha as a character.

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And I think it plays out well.

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We've talked about who gets the best ending of any companion in

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New Who.

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And I reckon Martha's very much up there and it pays off the being

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in love with the doctor all the way through.

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I would agree with you, Nathan.

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I think it pays off at the end, but the path along the way is

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pretty treacherous and quite arduous at times where you kind of

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think, just drop this, you know?

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I guess we're not up to that yet.

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So from looking at the character of Martha in this one.

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I can see how the writing would, you can, you can kind of see

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where, where he's going with it, and it's, and it's a bit bronte

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isk, isn't it?

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There's definitely a setup for a fall already because innocence

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and capability will never go unpunished.

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Russell's talk to.

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And I wouldn't have cast, I think, any other type of actor.

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I think that she's, yes, the persona is there.

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And hopefully that will warm up and there'll be a bit more of the

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Tara King confidence building as the season goes on.

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I believe there was.

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But where we are with this one.

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There's a lot of flashes and distractions and a really able senior

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supporting cast.

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And you've got, um, Anne and Richard, and who else do we have?

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Oh, and Francine.

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And that's a cruel twist of lime, and that's all you get.

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Well, I mean, I wanted the full gin bottle, but I only got it.

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A little taste.

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It's a senior cast, most of whom have been in Doctor Who before.

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So Francine's been in Doctor Who before.

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Obviously, she was one of the cats.

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Sister Jack.

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Hasn't changed much.

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No, I actually really, I really like her, and the reason is that

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Jackie was such a superb effortless comic character.

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We adored her at the end of those, um, to years.

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Absolutely, you know, I've said before, that I was much more upset

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about Camille's departure from the shows than I was about

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Billy's.

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But so we get Francine and Francine instantly repels any attempt

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on our part to like her.

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She's brittle.

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She's super no nonsense.

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Um, you know, we immediately see her in conflict, like Martha has

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to kind of smooth things over so that Francine doesn't get angry

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at uh, at the party.

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Have you never cohabited with a cat?

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back in the recording studio.

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So I think she's wonderful.

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I can't wait.

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Powerful, isn't it?

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She's on the screen for nothing and that's what I remember.

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And she's kind of outshining people, I think I said Richard before

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but Roy Marsden and Anne Reed as Florence Finnegan and Mr. Stoker.

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I said that carefully. is I just, they really are propelling this

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thing along every time they're on screen, you think, this is, this

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is fantastic.

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I just wish the poet weeds or the older Doctor Who's had had

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characters that were allowed to play up the comedy.

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Because I haven't really had a pair like this since Fury from the

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D. He is really spectacular, I think.

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And he kind of underplays like the way he plays being stranded on

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the moon, you know, looking out and seeing Florida and saying, I'm

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never going to see my daughter again.

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And it's not like he doesn't overplay that.

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It's he's very restrained.

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Very believable.

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He's wonderful.

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I'm taking the medical students through and making fun of all of

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their terrible answers to his questions.

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I can't believe that he hasn't been Doctor Who before.

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Has he?

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He was in a big finish earlier that year.

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Oh, okay.

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He reminded me of who's the fellow with that incredibly fruity

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voice in the space pirate, the one that Brendan made terrible fun

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of?

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He's just got such a rich kind of BBC voice.

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He's wonderful.

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And then, of course, we have Anne Reid, who was Nurse Crane in

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Curse of Fenrik with the accent, and who we've recently seen in

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years and years, and she's spectacular in that.

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Yeah, Russell's had her back.

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And I think, you know, he really wanted to get her for this role

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and she's just so great.

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She's so good.

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Like, she just manages a menace with the humour.

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It's just a lovely layered performance.

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Like when she talks about, what does she, who does she eat?

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She eats the child princess of...

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Just keep bursting out of my little straw.

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And then burn in hell.

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She's so funny and that's such a Russell thing, you know, no, it's

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not, you know, the president of the planet Zog or anything like

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that.

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It's a little princess that she's killed in a little dress.

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Football Magnus Brewer.

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Oh, dear, and the straw is a ludicrous Bendy straw. not a science

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fiction straw.

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It doesn't have any lights or anything on it.

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It's ridiculous.

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It's just wonderful.

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And she's got her slabs with her.

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It's the line from Barbarella, isn't it?

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They are leather men.

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They have no actual substance.

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So they're completely made of leather.

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Yes, yes.

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It is from rubber.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Oh, from the planet Zavyrax.

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That's brilliant.

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Yeah, he does great terrific.

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If the listener doesn't remember, they used those ads in the 90s

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had a some bloke with a cycle helmet on because he didn't want to

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show off his massive herpes.

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He's a not a boy.

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It's a very Russell joke.

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Yeah, we had them out in Australia as well.

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Back in the old days when the only pop culture references were, you

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know, a flying saucer with Batman at the controls, which is just

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utterly baffling and incomprehensible.

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That's John Pertley, I think, in his 1st season.

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So, you know, referencing a cold sore cream. is really quite a new

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departure.

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And they get destroyed by radiation.

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Well, yeah, they get destroyed by sort of whatever's right, anti

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science science. 5000 rats, please.

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When the doctor gets to get it out of his foot or shoe or whatever

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it is.

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It's a terrible scene.

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I hate that scene.

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In fact, can we?

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Also, he has horrid feet.

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Oh, pleasant horsute, boony toes. really not what you want to see

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on.

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Have we seen the doctor there for on TV?

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Oh, we've seen Perts.

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Bert's back crack, just a little semblance. speaking of intimate

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parts of the doctor.

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I'm going to have to go back and have a look at David Tim.

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It was really horrid.

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Brace yourself.

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Okay.

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I hate that scene.

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That's a moment where I find tenants performance just completely

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embarrassing.

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And I have to say that there are.

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He's not comfortable.

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No.

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And I have to say there are a few other. scenes like that.

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You know the scene where he is, for some reason, using his sonic

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screwdriver on the monitor of the screen in order to get something

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out of a database?

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to get the patient records, which why?

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It's not a Mac?

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And he has just the worst hair.

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Like he's been running his hands through his hair and his hairs

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all over the place and he just looks stupid, I think, in that

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scene.

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Now we get the introduction of an iconic monster.

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Francine, yeah, we'll...

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And I've documented this in our podcast that I that I have not

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liked her at all.

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Like, I hate her.

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Who want to?

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There's so many choices.

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Oh, how can you not like fancy?

481
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I haven't had a cat.

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Nathan and I had a big discussion about this.

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And so at this point in time, watching just this episode, she's

484
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obviously a damaged woman.

485
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She had to be strong for her family.

486
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Yeah, right?

487
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Um, and so, It's a really good performance, and I want to say this

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she's a tremendous actress.

489
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Yeah, yeah, she's really something.

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But though I may not, I don't dislike the character at this

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point.

492
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Yeah, okay.

493
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But I think you're meant to dislike that.

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I think Russell wants that.

495
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Yeah, he's doing something different.

496
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We loved Jackie.

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She was immediately hilarious.

498
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She's the funniest thing in that 1st episode.

499
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And so now he's just getting us by bringing in some brisk and

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unlikeable.

501
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The comedy elements are being transferred to her husband.

502
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Yeah. and Annalise, but of course they don't appear ever again

503
00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:22.019
except at the end.

504
00:24:22.140 --> 00:24:22.619
I don't know.

505
00:24:22.680 --> 00:24:26.640
I would like to come in as a marginalia in praise of St.

506
00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:27.240
Francine.

507
00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:31.259
Because I would, no, seriously, I do think she is the woman who

508
00:24:31.259 --> 00:24:33.839
held the family together and has been tossed over for a younger

509
00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:34.019
one.

510
00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:35.460
I'm completely with her.

511
00:24:35.519 --> 00:24:37.200
No, no, no, I agree with you.

512
00:24:37.259 --> 00:24:38.339
This is what I'm getting out of here.

513
00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:44.039
She's she's had to be the rock of the family and her husband has

514
00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:44.819
not been a great husband.

515
00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:47.940
He's a wonderful father, but he's a terrible father. a bit of a

516
00:24:47.940 --> 00:24:48.359
dope too.

517
00:24:48.420 --> 00:24:50.640
Yeah, it's pretty obvious that the intelligence comes from

518
00:24:50.640 --> 00:24:51.299
Francine.

519
00:24:51.359 --> 00:24:52.740
It's true.

520
00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:56.759
Martha is the oldest sibling, is the one that's had to support her

521
00:24:56.759 --> 00:24:59.640
mother and look after young. and be the alpha in the family.

522
00:24:59.700 --> 00:25:02.160
And that's where she's this linchpin of the family.

523
00:25:02.220 --> 00:25:07.380
It's absolutely a beautifully constructed scenario that we're

524
00:25:07.380 --> 00:25:07.980
going to explore.

525
00:25:08.039 --> 00:25:11.220
I'm totally on board and at the time I wasn't, but I am now.

526
00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:15.059
And I think that that's what the doctor is rescuing her from at

527
00:25:15.059 --> 00:25:18.480
the end, you know, the doctor was rescuing Rose from sort of life

528
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:19.079
in a shop.

529
00:25:19.140 --> 00:25:22.559
Whereas here I think she gets into the Tartars because her family

530
00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:25.319
are having just this sort of massive public fight in the street

531
00:25:25.319 --> 00:25:28.740
and he offers her a way of escaping it.

532
00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:32.460
See, I think I prefer her father in leathers and mind warp.

533
00:25:33.059 --> 00:25:35.400
His acting has an impact.

534
00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:38.700
He's in mind warp.

535
00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:39.599
I rubbished him now.

536
00:25:39.660 --> 00:25:40.680
Which one is he's in one of the guards?

537
00:25:40.740 --> 00:25:41.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

538
00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:44.160
He's the one who says the rock was proud of his upgrading.

539
00:25:44.220 --> 00:25:47.279
When I recently watched this, I really enjoyed Goo Goo's

540
00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:49.079
performance more than Freeman's.

541
00:25:49.140 --> 00:25:50.579
Isn't she shining in this?

542
00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:52.440
She really does, doesn't she?

543
00:25:52.500 --> 00:25:56.220
But frame has leaped ahead of her this time round.

544
00:25:56.279 --> 00:25:57.839
Her performance is much more.

545
00:25:57.900 --> 00:26:00.119
She the younger, the younger sibling.

546
00:26:00.180 --> 00:26:03.180
It's much more a rose type of character, and I see that now for

547
00:26:03.180 --> 00:26:03.599
what that is.

548
00:26:03.660 --> 00:26:04.799
I mean, I like her.

549
00:26:04.859 --> 00:26:07.980
But I don't know, I just want to do this with different eyes.

550
00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:09.960
It's just, Nathan, you're smiling.

551
00:26:10.019 --> 00:26:11.460
No, no, no.

552
00:26:11.460 --> 00:26:15.000
And it's because I'm just finding so much more in this from

553
00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:15.660
Freeman.

554
00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:16.440
I just blown away.

555
00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:19.500
It's mostly because I can't think of an example where you've

556
00:26:19.500 --> 00:26:21.960
rewatched something and then reevaluate.

557
00:26:22.380 --> 00:26:24.779
That actually never happened.

558
00:26:24.779 --> 00:26:25.440
Yes.

559
00:26:25.500 --> 00:26:28.740
Richard, Nathan, listeners, that never happens.

560
00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:30.539
Yes, same chicken smile.

561
00:26:34.740 --> 00:26:40.200
Let's go on to the big monsters for this episode.

562
00:26:40.259 --> 00:26:41.819
John Coleman's not in this.

563
00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:43.440
She's not.

564
00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:44.220
She's coming soon.

565
00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:46.259
Common Bill will be able to comic on.

566
00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:48.900
I'm sure he will.

567
00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:50.279
Did you do?

568
00:26:50.700 --> 00:26:53.339
A platoon.

569
00:26:53.339 --> 00:26:56.220
Yeah, he's got his assonance generator out and running, hasn't

570
00:26:56.220 --> 00:26:56.400
he?

571
00:26:56.460 --> 00:26:57.420
I actually like that line.

572
00:26:57.480 --> 00:26:58.980
It's so random. doesn't mean anything.

573
00:26:59.039 --> 00:27:01.680
You know why that light is in there?

574
00:27:01.740 --> 00:27:07.559
It's because the double-O-N sound is really difficult for a

575
00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:09.839
Scottish person to say in an English accent.

576
00:27:11.700 --> 00:27:17.880
He's been running around with David. trying to stop him saying

577
00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:19.859
platoon.

578
00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:22.680
Like, no, it was deliberate.

579
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:26.880
It was deliberately done to... don't want to say that word.

580
00:27:26.940 --> 00:27:28.559
That is hilarious.

581
00:27:28.619 --> 00:27:33.180
No, you're right, because I've heard Tenant on his podcast talking

582
00:27:33.180 --> 00:27:36.180
about this exact thing with the double O sound with other

583
00:27:36.180 --> 00:27:37.500
hackators.

584
00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:41.940
Well, it works for the doctor because, you know, he's super, yeah

585
00:27:41.940 --> 00:27:45.299
he's super verbal, you know, like that's, we'll see that in me.

586
00:27:45.299 --> 00:27:46.140
Gum up, doesn't he?

587
00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:46.799
Yeah, yeah, ever.

588
00:27:46.859 --> 00:27:50.519
And so having him having him just play with words and the sounds

589
00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:52.200
of words, I think works really well.

590
00:27:52.259 --> 00:27:53.940
It's a fun line.

591
00:27:54.059 --> 00:27:56.339
What do we think of the monsters themselves?

592
00:27:56.400 --> 00:27:57.539
Okay.

593
00:27:57.779 --> 00:27:59.460
Here I go.

594
00:27:59.579 --> 00:28:00.599
That's own Reed, isn't it?

595
00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:04.619
Absolute fine.

596
00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:09.240
I was really upset the 1st time I watched Clip.

597
00:28:09.299 --> 00:28:09.900
Oh wow.

598
00:28:09.900 --> 00:28:10.799
Oh, because you do.

599
00:28:10.859 --> 00:28:14.279
I was really upset because I felt that they were looking off

600
00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:16.200
there's some tyrants from the classic who.

601
00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:19.380
They did feel like that. were sort of in leathers and I thought

602
00:28:19.380 --> 00:28:21.299
well, if the Satarians ever come back, what are they going to do

603
00:28:21.299 --> 00:28:21.599
with them?

604
00:28:21.660 --> 00:28:22.200
nowhere to go.

605
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:22.799
Yeah.

606
00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:24.299
Of course, now I'm over that.

607
00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:25.859
They're fantastic.

608
00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:28.319
The whole design, that whole rhino head.

609
00:28:28.380 --> 00:28:29.759
I think is brilliant.

610
00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:32.460
So we only get to see one big rhino head, don't we?

611
00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:33.839
The rest of them keep their hats on.

612
00:28:33.900 --> 00:28:36.839
There's a lot of them and they look fantastic.

613
00:28:36.900 --> 00:28:39.480
They're all very sort of fetishware, aren't they?

614
00:28:39.539 --> 00:28:43.380
So I really know where Russell spent his early 90s.

615
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:45.779
I think I prefer them with the Mohawk.

616
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:47.400
Yeah, so they're coming.

617
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:48.779
Can't wait. coming back.

618
00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:49.680
Yeah.

619
00:28:49.740 --> 00:28:51.599
And they came back for Sarah Jane Adventures.

620
00:28:51.660 --> 00:28:52.920
Well, they did too, didn't they?

621
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:53.279
Yes, yes.

622
00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:58.740
A good episode where one was a, he was a sort of cop, um, and they

623
00:28:58.740 --> 00:29:02.400
sort of played upon the sort of police thing of the jedune.

624
00:29:02.460 --> 00:29:05.640
But I love the whole, I love their spaceships.

625
00:29:05.700 --> 00:29:06.420
They look fantastic.

626
00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:11.579
I love the fact that they scooped the hospital up onto the moon

627
00:29:11.579 --> 00:29:13.680
which is just a wonderful concept.

628
00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:17.700
And then to assimilate the language to go through that whole

629
00:29:17.700 --> 00:29:21.000
little process of actually getting somebody to talk Earth English

630
00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:23.099
and put it into their translator.

631
00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:24.660
It's like nothing.

632
00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:26.220
Right, I just don't have an imagination.

633
00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:28.200
I just love the way Russell thinks about these things.

634
00:29:28.259 --> 00:29:30.480
Yeah, it's all something that we haven't seen before

635
00:29:30.539 --> 00:29:32.940
interdimensional magic marker.

636
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:34.920
Yes, I love that.

637
00:29:34.980 --> 00:29:37.380
And again, if you're going to do that.

638
00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:41.099
You know, like it's it's such a good...

639
00:29:42.779 --> 00:29:44.759
It's so good.

640
00:29:44.819 --> 00:29:48.180
It's so simple, you know, like it's not a space.

641
00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:49.980
Well, it is a space marker, isn't it?

642
00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:50.940
A space sharpie.

643
00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:54.960
But so you get across on your hand.

644
00:29:55.019 --> 00:29:57.599
I think that's what's so wonderful about Russell's writing is he

645
00:29:57.599 --> 00:30:01.319
takes something so simple and just goes with it and makes it a

646
00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:04.980
science fiction thing without having to be some some convoluted

647
00:30:04.980 --> 00:30:06.299
process.

648
00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:08.880
And it's the thing that solves the episode.

649
00:30:08.940 --> 00:30:15.180
Like we reveal and read for who she is. by Freema grabbing the

650
00:30:15.180 --> 00:30:20.099
magic marker off one of the Jadoon and pointing it at Anne Reid.

651
00:30:20.220 --> 00:30:24.779
So it's definitely there. and very well established.

652
00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:28.140
So the whole thing sort of fits together really well.

653
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:30.240
I love their language.

654
00:30:30.299 --> 00:30:35.099
Yes, it's almost as if it's post-Slavic, isn't it?

655
00:30:35.460 --> 00:30:36.539
It's very eastern block.

656
00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:39.000
Well we really know where Russell's coming with this, don't we?

657
00:30:39.059 --> 00:30:43.619
Once again, he's metering the entire discourse of our planet, at

658
00:30:43.619 --> 00:30:47.160
least as far as reportage goes, and this is just a comment, around

659
00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:51.539
2006, 2007, the cognitive dissonance of there was no moon

660
00:30:51.539 --> 00:30:52.019
landing.

661
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:53.160
Yeah, yeah.

662
00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:54.960
And that we're now at the 50th moonlighting.

663
00:30:55.019 --> 00:30:58.259
I had 3 people, just the week of the moon landing last week, say

664
00:30:58.259 --> 00:30:59.279
oh, you know it didn't happen.

665
00:30:59.339 --> 00:30:59.880
It was on TV.

666
00:30:59.940 --> 00:31:04.319
I was a chemical engineer, whose father was a senior general in

667
00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:05.519
Afghanistan.

668
00:31:05.579 --> 00:31:07.680
So she's, but she's a chemical engineer.

669
00:31:07.740 --> 00:31:09.359
Another one is an architect I worked with.

670
00:31:09.420 --> 00:31:11.759
Another one was a bloke in the queue in high views at the post

671
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:14.759
office, but they all said to me, you know, there was no moon

672
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:15.180
landing.

673
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:17.819
I said, you know, I ended up saying, I'm so sorry.

674
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:21.299
And then I got this kind of, you know, quizzical and

675
00:31:21.299 --> 00:31:22.619
confrontational.

676
00:31:22.740 --> 00:31:23.160
What do you mean?

677
00:31:23.220 --> 00:31:27.839
I said, well, I'm so sorry that, that's how you have chosen to see

678
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:34.319
450,000 people's work, including folk I've actually shaken hands

679
00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:38.160
with in Australia, who are at, you know, who are on Canberra, who

680
00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:39.000
recorded the 1st things.

681
00:31:39.059 --> 00:31:44.460
But Russell again talks about he, he, his horror of where we are

682
00:31:44.460 --> 00:31:48.599
with his lightness of touch and like the cognitive dissonance that

683
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:51.180
we are being told not to believe what's in front of our bloody

684
00:31:51.180 --> 00:31:51.539
eyes.

685
00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:54.420
So at the end of the hospital, oh no, there's that great line.

686
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:57.119
And of course, it's Annalise who gets to spiel.

687
00:31:57.180 --> 00:31:59.220
Oh, Facebook bullshit.

688
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:00.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

689
00:32:01.019 --> 00:32:04.500
Yeah, but it didn't happen, you know, and Martha's being called a

690
00:32:04.500 --> 00:32:05.400
liar, of course.

691
00:32:05.460 --> 00:32:09.240
And he goes back to that well in years and years because of course

692
00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:15.180
one of the features of the current world is, you know, people just

693
00:32:15.180 --> 00:32:19.259
choosing not to believe that the world is round.

694
00:32:19.259 --> 00:32:20.640
We've actually got that happening now.

695
00:32:20.700 --> 00:32:23.700
And I know it's my usual shtick of Todd, I know it's my usual

696
00:32:23.700 --> 00:32:26.700
stick of, oh, you're you're mattering everything and you're going

697
00:32:26.700 --> 00:32:27.180
too far.

698
00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:29.279
But I'm not because it's being proven.

699
00:32:29.339 --> 00:32:31.980
This is how Russell thinks in years and years is the evidence.

700
00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:33.839
He was always thinking like this.

701
00:32:33.900 --> 00:32:36.180
When I be doing the Years and Years podcast.

702
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:37.380
I think doing it now.

703
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:40.140
Um, I'm Tish.

704
00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:41.579
I hadn't really...

705
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:44.579
I hadn't thought along those lines at all but I think that's

706
00:32:44.579 --> 00:32:45.420
absolutely right.

707
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:49.859
And the show, because during this era of the show rightly wants to

708
00:32:49.859 --> 00:32:54.839
make alien invasions into a big public spectacle, but it still

709
00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:56.099
wants to be said in our world.

710
00:32:56.160 --> 00:33:00.539
And they made fun of that, obviously, last episode with Donna, you

711
00:33:00.539 --> 00:33:05.339
know, scuba diving during various alien invasions and missing out

712
00:33:05.339 --> 00:33:05.640
on them.

713
00:33:05.700 --> 00:33:10.619
So she gets to be someone who's sceptical about aliens because she

714
00:33:10.619 --> 00:33:13.680
was hung over or underwater or something when they all happened

715
00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:17.579
and somehow she's missed out, anyone filling her in on what

716
00:33:17.579 --> 00:33:19.259
happened while she was down there.

717
00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:22.319
And the show has sort of played with that a little bit.

718
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:26.519
I mean, even when the spaceship sort of crashes into Big Ben, by

719
00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:30.960
the end of the episode, there are, you know, headlines in the

720
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:33.599
evening standards saying that it was all a hoax.

721
00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:37.680
And so there is that kind of narrative level of it.

722
00:33:37.740 --> 00:33:42.180
But there is that thing that he wants to say, is that we are

723
00:33:42.180 --> 00:33:47.579
really good at justifying choosing not to believe in things that

724
00:33:47.579 --> 00:33:49.920
kind of we don't want to believe in.

725
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:54.240
Martha is a Bridgepoint for the viewer and for us sitting watching

726
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:58.619
it and that she is an ordinary person, very capable and higher IQ

727
00:33:58.619 --> 00:34:01.259
ordinary person, sure, but really just an ordinary person who's

728
00:34:01.259 --> 00:34:02.039
worked jolly hard.

729
00:34:02.099 --> 00:34:07.440
And with EQ and IQ and he's able to see clearly and call out the

730
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:07.980
nonsense.

731
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:11.579
And that's how it cypher enrol in this is to say, you're all

732
00:34:11.579 --> 00:34:13.019
bloody misleading yourselves.

733
00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:15.239
And that's the lovely thing.

734
00:34:15.300 --> 00:34:17.820
I think that's why she's fallen for the doctor because she's a

735
00:34:17.820 --> 00:34:20.400
she's she's actually quite a Homeric character, isn't she?

736
00:34:20.460 --> 00:34:22.380
She's constantly in search of the truth.

737
00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:25.559
And if David's doctor is her golden fleece.

738
00:34:25.619 --> 00:34:28.679
That's why she's fallen for him because he is the final

739
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:29.940
destination of truth.

740
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:31.380
Well, they're both doctors.

741
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:34.019
So they're both, you know, they're both going.

742
00:34:34.019 --> 00:34:34.860
That should be illegal, really.

743
00:34:34.860 --> 00:34:37.199
Yeah.

744
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:39.539
And that's why she's so good.

745
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:43.559
And she's been touched by all of this because her cousin...

746
00:34:44.699 --> 00:34:46.739
Stop it, man.

747
00:34:46.739 --> 00:34:47.880
Just stop he's nudging me.

748
00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:50.460
That stays in.

749
00:34:51.900 --> 00:34:53.820
Heaven help me.

750
00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:55.619
Please save me now.

751
00:34:55.739 --> 00:35:00.300
Um, like her cousin was at Canary Wharf and never returned.

752
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:01.500
And so she's been touched by this.

753
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:04.440
Just played by the same accent.

754
00:35:05.460 --> 00:35:07.139
Totally a thing.

755
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:07.980
Yeah.

756
00:35:07.980 --> 00:35:08.760
Probably.

757
00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:09.539
Well, that's all right.

758
00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:12.960
We're okay with, you know, Ian Martin turning up 2 years later, or

759
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:16.199
let's face it, Colin Baker turning up a year later in the title

760
00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:17.039
role of the show.

761
00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:22.380
Maybe her father wasn't... infidelity...

762
00:35:22.380 --> 00:35:25.800
Yeah, having a fur with Francine's sister or something.

763
00:35:25.860 --> 00:35:27.900
Oh, we didn't Twitter.

764
00:35:30.420 --> 00:35:34.199
Why didn't they explore that more during this season?

765
00:35:34.260 --> 00:35:36.300
Back to the Jadoon.

766
00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:41.460
I like the fact that the doctor describes them as like space cops

767
00:35:41.460 --> 00:35:45.179
or whatever, and then they go, that poor man that assaults them

768
00:35:45.179 --> 00:35:46.500
he's just executed.

769
00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:47.340
Yeah, yeah.

770
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:51.659
So that you get the sense that they are pretty harsh in their

771
00:35:51.659 --> 00:35:53.340
judgement.

772
00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:54.480
Give them a bit more menace.

773
00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:57.239
I thought it was for your benefit because...

774
00:35:57.300 --> 00:35:59.820
Yeah, yeah, because you get rather sort of weary if there aren't

775
00:35:59.820 --> 00:36:01.320
enough deaths in Doctor Who.

776
00:36:01.380 --> 00:36:05.340
And so we have 2 here.

777
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:10.739
We have Mr. Stoker, and we have the person who hits the Jadoon

778
00:36:10.739 --> 00:36:11.579
with a vase.

779
00:36:11.579 --> 00:36:15.360
And it also gives us a chance to do another sort of another new

780
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:17.340
effect for people being destroyed.

781
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:19.619
Because one of the things that the design always does in this era

782
00:36:19.619 --> 00:36:23.280
is completely new spaceships, like you talked about before, Todd.

783
00:36:23.340 --> 00:36:26.639
Yeah, yeah, each spaceship that we've seen has looked really

784
00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:30.719
different and isn't just the sort of standard detergent bottle

785
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:33.960
with a few things stuck on that we got in the Hingecliffe era for

786
00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:34.559
spaceships.

787
00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:36.239
You know the most exciting thing.

788
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:40.199
For me, I really wish we had got a plastic washing up bottle.

789
00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:42.000
You know who the directory is, Charles Palmer.

790
00:36:42.059 --> 00:36:45.239
And you did a whole few of this season. you know, cooking in

791
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:48.059
Shakespeare code. and I'll go on to why I think this is all about

792
00:36:48.059 --> 00:36:50.519
cognitive dissonance because the next story is about how

793
00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:52.199
Shakespeare wrote Shakespeare.

794
00:36:52.260 --> 00:36:53.519
This whole season's about that.

795
00:36:53.579 --> 00:36:56.159
But jumping back, Charles Palmer's dad is Jeffrey Palmer.

796
00:36:56.219 --> 00:36:56.940
Yes, yes.

797
00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:59.400
That's very owned Jeffrey Palmer.

798
00:36:59.460 --> 00:37:02.219
The only one who's married to Penelope Keith and everything.

799
00:37:03.059 --> 00:37:07.260
But he, of course, appears in what colony in space.

800
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:08.400
So, isn't he?

801
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:09.000
isn't he?

802
00:37:09.059 --> 00:37:10.920
Yes, he's inside your...

803
00:37:10.980 --> 00:37:15.780
Yeah, and later on he'll come back to be on the Titanic with

804
00:37:15.780 --> 00:37:16.380
Kylie.

805
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:17.039
He will.

806
00:37:17.099 --> 00:37:19.559
Well, we weren't going ahead of ourselves there.

807
00:37:19.619 --> 00:37:21.300
Back to...

808
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:22.559
Oh my god, I can't say.

809
00:37:22.619 --> 00:37:25.260
But did you say to this gorgeous shark?

810
00:37:26.699 --> 00:37:29.340
Don't do that No, I can't.

811
00:37:29.340 --> 00:37:30.300
Don't do the accent.

812
00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:33.000
Back to the space rhinos.

813
00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:37.619
I love their compensation thing with Martha as well.

814
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:38.519
That bit of comedy.

815
00:37:38.579 --> 00:37:40.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

816
00:37:40.260 --> 00:37:42.960
Like it's just... tickles my fancy.

817
00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:46.860
They are really good. and they're not villains.

818
00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:49.559
Like, we've got a proper villain who, again, is a comedy villain

819
00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:51.119
in Anne Reid.

820
00:37:51.179 --> 00:37:53.099
So these are just sort of aliens.

821
00:37:53.219 --> 00:37:55.920
And I think that they are sort of different enough from the

822
00:37:55.920 --> 00:38:00.239
Santarians in the fact that, you know, their whole sort of concept

823
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:01.320
is kind of different.

824
00:38:01.380 --> 00:38:04.079
And we bring this on tyrants back, perhaps not particularly

825
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:06.659
successfully, in the future.

826
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:10.019
Um, but, you know, until you get tracks.

827
00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:11.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

828
00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:12.840
That's when they kind of do it right.

829
00:38:12.900 --> 00:38:15.480
But they have to do it by kind of undoing this on torrance a

830
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:15.780
little bit.

831
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:18.599
I don't think we can ever use them again, for instance.

832
00:38:29.099 --> 00:38:32.579
An appreciation, audience figure of 88.

833
00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:34.980
I think I've got 8.700000 in the UK.

834
00:38:34.980 --> 00:38:35.940
It was ninth.

835
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:37.079
Not really the expert on this.

836
00:38:37.139 --> 00:38:38.699
I'm just a fanboy.

837
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:40.619
So it's in the back of my head somewhere.

838
00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:42.599
8.71 million.

839
00:38:42.659 --> 00:38:43.500
Oh, there you go.

840
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:44.039
Thank you, James.

841
00:38:44.099 --> 00:38:47.099
Let's see. most popular broadcast on television that week.

842
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:49.079
Ah, top 10 episodes.

843
00:38:49.139 --> 00:38:49.679
Yeah.

844
00:38:49.739 --> 00:38:53.159
It did better in terms of the chart than Runaway Bride.

845
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:53.880
Right.

846
00:38:53.940 --> 00:38:54.480
Really?

847
00:38:54.539 --> 00:38:55.199
Yeah.

848
00:38:55.260 --> 00:38:57.960
Well, because Runaway brides at Christmas and has about 15

849
00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:00.659
episodes of EastEnders to come in behind, probably.

850
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:01.199
Okay, yes.

851
00:39:01.260 --> 00:39:01.679
Yeah.

852
00:39:01.739 --> 00:39:05.519
I like the fact that the Sonic screwdriver gets destroyed and

853
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:06.539
then...

854
00:39:06.539 --> 00:39:09.840
Nathan did too, because he was hoping for a terrelep.

855
00:39:10.860 --> 00:39:13.079
Then I should rephrase that.

856
00:39:13.139 --> 00:39:17.039
It does cheapen the fact that it gets destroyed back in the Dark

857
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:19.860
Ages of the Davis and era. like you can just replace it like

858
00:39:19.860 --> 00:39:20.159
that.

859
00:39:20.219 --> 00:39:22.920
But it's nice to have it not there, so they actually have to find

860
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:27.059
a different way to stop things, i.e. pulling out the cord from the

861
00:39:27.059 --> 00:39:28.800
yeah, unplugging it.

862
00:39:28.860 --> 00:39:31.980
And...

863
00:39:31.980 --> 00:39:35.880
Which I just think it's just so clever and obvious that it's never

864
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:37.739
really been...

865
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:41.159
I actually really like how Martha's leafing through the

866
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:44.820
instruction manual on the MRI thing to find out what button to

867
00:39:44.820 --> 00:39:45.480
press as well.

868
00:39:45.539 --> 00:39:50.159
Like, you know, it's sort of comedy and silly, but it also is

869
00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:52.739
character stuff about how incredibly competent she is.

870
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:57.360
Yes, she's presented with a problem and she's got to solve it and

871
00:39:57.360 --> 00:39:59.099
she just deals with it, right?

872
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:00.300
This is the thing I've got to get it done.

873
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:03.239
I just think she's just so practical that way.

874
00:40:03.300 --> 00:40:05.219
It's also the moment too.

875
00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:09.000
And I'm not quite sure that Freeman completely sells it or whether

876
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:13.320
maybe the scene is a little bit overwritten, but when they're out

877
00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:17.760
kind of on the smoker's balcony, you know, uh, of the hospital

878
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:21.420
sort of near the patient lounge, and the doctor and Freeman get

879
00:40:21.420 --> 00:40:23.699
their 1st sort of proper chance to talk.

880
00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:28.800
And the 1st thing that she says is, you know, I might die, but

881
00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:29.639
this is beautiful.

882
00:40:29.699 --> 00:40:30.840
I'm on the moon.

883
00:40:30.900 --> 00:40:33.539
You know, she's the one who realises they're on the moon.

884
00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:38.099
And I think that that is kind of a mission statement here.

885
00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:40.440
It's not just that she's super competent.

886
00:40:40.500 --> 00:40:46.440
It's not just that she kind of sort of sacrifices her life in a

887
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:50.880
way, you know, to save the doctor to make sure that the doctor's

888
00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:56.579
able to sort of solve the problem and save everyone. is that she

889
00:40:56.579 --> 00:41:01.500
appreciates the beauty of the universe in a way that the doctor

890
00:41:01.500 --> 00:41:02.579
does as well.

891
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:05.340
So she ticks all the boxes.

892
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:07.079
She's kind of the perfect companion.

893
00:41:07.860 --> 00:41:12.599
It's a doctor also working through his loss of rose, still, from

894
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:16.679
the previous episodes, and it's that journey that he's undertaking

895
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:19.800
from Runaway bride through these 1st few.

896
00:41:19.860 --> 00:41:23.639
Is he horrible in this episode?

897
00:41:23.699 --> 00:41:24.719
To her?

898
00:41:24.780 --> 00:41:26.340
Well, kind of to everyone.

899
00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:28.800
There's another young woman who's presumably another medical

900
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:33.059
student in the room with a Jedun.

901
00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:34.679
No, no, with Martha.

902
00:41:34.739 --> 00:41:35.460
No, you.

903
00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:37.079
Yeah, not you. leave her.

904
00:41:37.139 --> 00:41:37.800
She's crying.

905
00:41:37.860 --> 00:41:39.000
Too slow, leave her.

906
00:41:39.059 --> 00:41:41.039
Yeah, which is really horrible.

907
00:41:41.099 --> 00:41:43.380
And she actually is horrible.

908
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:45.000
She's not incompetent.

909
00:41:45.059 --> 00:41:48.539
You know, Martha checks in with her later. to get the stuff about

910
00:41:48.539 --> 00:41:49.260
the oxygen.

911
00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:51.420
And she's actually, she's doctoring.

912
00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:53.099
She's helping people.

913
00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:55.920
She's just in a moment of terror and not coping.

914
00:41:55.980 --> 00:41:58.079
And the doctor just dismisses her immediately.

915
00:41:58.139 --> 00:41:59.460
That is this doctor.

916
00:41:59.579 --> 00:42:00.239
Yeah.

917
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:03.239
And they've never all been entirely nice. have they?

918
00:42:03.300 --> 00:42:06.420
I think we all get it wrong when we turn into certain kinds of

919
00:42:06.420 --> 00:42:08.519
fangirls and go, oh, he's so romantic and lovely.

920
00:42:08.579 --> 00:42:09.360
No, he's not.

921
00:42:09.420 --> 00:42:13.199
He'll leave you in a crater with a horrible, horrible man radiated

922
00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:15.000
with Daleks just behind your back door.

923
00:42:15.059 --> 00:42:16.320
I think...

924
00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:17.340
I think...

925
00:42:17.340 --> 00:42:22.500
Suck it, boys, poised and ready to remove the last of your hope.

926
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:25.619
But don't you think he's kind of horrible to her in?

927
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:26.400
He never comes back.

928
00:42:26.460 --> 00:42:27.659
No, no.

929
00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:32.280
Um, he's he is kind of horrible to her, though, in the TARDIS as

930
00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:36.119
well, where he says, you know, you're just going on a trip and

931
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:39.659
that's all and like, you know, you're not replacing her and you're

932
00:42:39.659 --> 00:42:43.739
kind of, um, and I don't know whether that's the lines or whether

933
00:42:43.739 --> 00:42:47.039
those lines are kind of written to us as the audience or what.

934
00:42:47.099 --> 00:42:51.239
Do you think he's being horribly, horribly meta Russell Clever and

935
00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:54.599
actually writing the doctor with some of Rose's persona because

936
00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:56.219
you know that's where he got the accent from?

937
00:42:56.280 --> 00:43:00.659
Oh, so maybe he's being sort of selfish and stuff.

938
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:05.639
Well, I like to think that Capaldi is part of Capaldi's doctor is

939
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:11.760
part of Amy, and that's why he's as preserved, well, he's as Amy

940
00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:12.420
like as he can be.

941
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:13.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

942
00:43:13.260 --> 00:43:14.579
I don't know.

943
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:18.480
I think it's a bit of bravado or...

944
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:21.900
He's just trying... he doesn't want...

945
00:43:21.900 --> 00:43:25.260
He obviously likes master.

946
00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:25.559
Yeah.

947
00:43:25.619 --> 00:43:29.280
And he's just gone through a loss, and he's seen that so many

948
00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:33.119
times, and it's him sort of dealing with that saying, well, it's

949
00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:36.179
only one trip, you know, I'm just, I can't want to cope with

950
00:43:36.179 --> 00:43:37.199
saying you're going to be here forever.

951
00:43:37.260 --> 00:43:41.099
Like, because that would be, I can't guarantee that, but he's not

952
00:43:41.099 --> 00:43:42.000
verbalising that.

953
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:46.019
He does just come across as a bit obnoxious though.

954
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:49.199
And you can see him softening even over the course of the next 2

955
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:49.559
episodes.

956
00:43:49.619 --> 00:43:51.360
He's going to be horrible to her again next week.

957
00:43:51.420 --> 00:43:53.340
He's oblivious to how horrible he is.

958
00:43:53.340 --> 00:43:55.739
And her reactions actually sell that really well.

959
00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:59.159
We all are, though, especially with those who are more in love

960
00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:00.360
with us than we are with them.

961
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:03.179
I mean, this is actually Shakespeare. we end up with him next

962
00:44:03.179 --> 00:44:03.420
week.

963
00:44:03.480 --> 00:44:04.380
It is.

964
00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:05.219
Yeah, yeah.

965
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:07.619
Can't see Mary Tam putting up with it, can you?

966
00:44:08.099 --> 00:44:11.760
She'd be straight at him with a locator muticore.

967
00:44:11.820 --> 00:44:13.139
That's right.

968
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:15.119
And burn a hole in his frontage.

969
00:44:15.539 --> 00:44:17.579
That's a big hole.

970
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:18.539
K9 did it for me.

971
00:44:18.659 --> 00:44:19.739
I've got the all in on it.

972
00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:23.699
I do like her reaction to the whole Tartars.

973
00:44:24.059 --> 00:44:26.519
I love the mouthing, yes.

974
00:44:26.579 --> 00:44:29.820
Oh, when he goes, it's bigger on the inside than the outside.

975
00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:32.460
That is massive by tenon.

976
00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:34.500
No, that's brilliant.

977
00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:36.239
And I'm so glad that she gets to say that.

978
00:44:36.300 --> 00:44:37.320
Yeah.

979
00:44:37.380 --> 00:44:38.760
It's just so perfect.

980
00:44:38.820 --> 00:44:41.940
And when he talks about being a time lord and she goes, oh, well

981
00:44:41.940 --> 00:44:42.599
not pompous at all.

982
00:44:42.659 --> 00:44:45.300
Like, that's so, that's so Martha.

983
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:46.920
I love that Martha thing.

984
00:44:46.980 --> 00:44:48.539
It's very Liz Sladden too, isn't it?

985
00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:50.519
I know you're a timelord.

986
00:44:51.300 --> 00:44:53.880
This is why I'm falling in love with her.

987
00:44:53.940 --> 00:44:56.760
She might be my MVP.

988
00:44:56.820 --> 00:44:57.960
This season.

989
00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:01.199
Yes, James, you've got those James.

990
00:45:01.619 --> 00:45:04.260
Martha's visible pantelion.

991
00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:07.739
The tattoo's visible.

992
00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:08.579
Yeah, yeah.

993
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:11.400
I know, I think she's I think she got that with the spittle

994
00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:14.340
because it's the pert wee tattoo. just keeps jumping around.

995
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:16.019
It's a tattoo.

996
00:45:16.019 --> 00:45:17.099
It's a tattoo.

997
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:20.039
You know the joke, though, that that's the Corsairs tattoo.

998
00:45:20.099 --> 00:45:22.019
Oh, he's tattoo.

999
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:23.460
Go back and watch Spearhead from Space.

1000
00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:24.780
There's shenanigans there, James.

1001
00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:27.659
Say it 3 times and there'll be a big finish spinoff about this

1002
00:45:27.659 --> 00:45:29.219
tattoo. written by boys.

1003
00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:37.980
I like and it's a very rustly thing that she observes that the

1004
00:45:37.980 --> 00:45:38.940
spaceship's made of wood.

1005
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:41.099
Your spaceship's made of wood.

1006
00:45:41.159 --> 00:45:45.960
That is, you know, again, it's just that earthy normal thing. that

1007
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:48.179
Russell kind of brings to the table.

1008
00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:48.900
It's very sweet.

1009
00:45:49.019 --> 00:45:50.820
I think he's a bit proud of that line.

1010
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:53.519
I'm sure that it gets a mention in confidential or something.

1011
00:45:53.579 --> 00:45:55.860
Except it's actually metal, isn't it?

1012
00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:57.539
Because that's what Chester Field says.

1013
00:45:57.599 --> 00:45:58.739
Oh does he?

1014
00:45:58.800 --> 00:45:59.159
Yes.

1015
00:45:59.219 --> 00:46:01.440
And of course, police boxes are concrete.

1016
00:46:01.500 --> 00:46:03.179
So yes.

1017
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:07.500
We know these things, don't we?

1018
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:08.340
So you don't have to.

1019
00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:13.260
Look, I just have to say that I thoroughly enjoyed this.

1020
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:14.760
I mean, I'm giving this a solid eight.

1021
00:46:14.820 --> 00:46:17.099
I think creamer is an absolute revelation and delight.

1022
00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:20.940
The family I'm liking the performances and it's a really confident

1023
00:46:20.940 --> 00:46:23.159
star to...

1024
00:46:23.219 --> 00:46:25.559
I'm open to seeing how we are.

1025
00:46:49.619 --> 00:46:52.619
Well, they're listening, that's all we have time for this week.

1026
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:56.519
We'll be back next week for our annual celebrity historical cage

1027
00:46:56.519 --> 00:46:59.880
match between Gareth Roberts and William Shakespeare in the

1028
00:46:59.880 --> 00:47:00.960
Shakespeare code.

1029
00:47:01.019 --> 00:47:04.559
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts

1030
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:07.320
and you can keep up with us at flightsthroughentirety.com.

1031
00:47:07.380 --> 00:47:10.619
Flight through entirety on Facebook and at FTE podcast on

1032
00:47:10.619 --> 00:47:11.039
Twitter.

1033
00:47:11.099 --> 00:47:15.000
You can also find our series 11 flashcast, Jody Intetera, at

1034
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:18.840
Jodyintetera.com, and at Jody Intetera on Twitter, and our James

1035
00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:22.260
Bond commentary podcast, Bondfinger at bondfinger.com, at

1036
00:47:22.260 --> 00:47:25.500
bondfinger on Facebook, and at bondfingercast on Twitter.

1037
00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:29.579
Until next time, please remember to be kind to your new stepmother

1038
00:47:29.579 --> 00:47:30.239
Annalise.

1039
00:47:30.300 --> 00:47:33.179
She's really very lovely when you get to know her.

1040
00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:35.039
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1041
00:47:35.099 --> 00:47:35.820
Good night.

1042
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:37.440
I was seduced.

1043
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:39.059
Again.

1044
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:42.239
Good night, everyone.

1045
00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:42.900
See you soon.

1046
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:49.320
That was Flight for Entirety, starring Todd Beeleby, Nathan

1047
00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:51.300
Bottomley, James Hellwood, and Richard Stone.

1048
00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:54.360
Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, String's performance by Jane

1049
00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:55.260
Orberg.

1050
00:47:55.320 --> 00:47:59.099
This episode, the Tara King Confidence, was recorded on the 28th

1051
00:47:59.099 --> 00:48:02.219
of July 2019 and released on the 15th of September.

1052
00:48:05.460 --> 00:48:09.780
Like many of you, we have a love of Doctor Who that owes an

1053
00:48:09.780 --> 00:48:13.260
enormous amount to the work of Terence Diggs, and so we would like

1054
00:48:13.260 --> 00:48:16.199
to dedicate this silly episode to his memory.

1055
00:48:19.260 --> 00:48:20.880
The blue suit.

1056
00:48:20.940 --> 00:48:22.500
Love the blue suit.

1057
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:24.719
I know did the blue suit. in my notes.

1058
00:48:24.780 --> 00:48:25.559
I said the blue suit.

1059
00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:28.559
Yeah, I got sort of halfway through the episode before I realised

1060
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:32.099
that we'd never seen it before, and it is really good, and it's

1061
00:48:32.099 --> 00:48:37.260
used as so often to kind of indicate the doctor a 2 time period.

1062
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:40.440
So, um, when he stops Martha in the street.

1063
00:48:40.500 --> 00:48:43.980
He's wearing his brown suit. that he takes his tie off.

1064
00:48:44.039 --> 00:48:46.500
Oh my goodness.

1065
00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:48.119
That's the joke.

1066
00:48:48.179 --> 00:48:50.099
The fact that he changed the colour of the suit.

1067
00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:51.239
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1068
00:48:51.300 --> 00:48:55.500
So he was in the blue suit and then so I actually really like that

1069
00:48:55.500 --> 00:48:58.019
that you're only allowed to cross your own timeline for the sake

1070
00:48:58.019 --> 00:48:58.800
of cheap tricks.

1071
00:48:58.860 --> 00:49:01.079
And I never got the joke.

1072
00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:01.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1073
00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:03.420
Like, I go, he's just gone into the TARDIS.

1074
00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:04.320
He's taken off his tie.

1075
00:49:04.380 --> 00:49:04.739
That's it.

1076
00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:06.780
The tires are faint.

1077
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:10.380
Yeah, is deliberately there to make you think, oh, he's just

1078
00:49:10.380 --> 00:49:14.099
taking this tie off, but do you realise in that split 2nd is

1079
00:49:14.099 --> 00:49:18.179
changed his suit and gone back in time and taken his tie off in

1080
00:49:18.179 --> 00:49:19.079
front of her and then come back?

1081
00:49:19.139 --> 00:49:19.980
Yeah.

1082
00:49:19.980 --> 00:49:23.760
Thank you, FTE, for explaining that to me because I've never got

1083
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:24.059
that before.

1084
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:28.199
I don't think I consciously realised until I was watching it like

1085
00:49:28.199 --> 00:49:28.800
last night.

1086
00:49:28.860 --> 00:49:30.179
Preparation.

1087
00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:32.579
I'm an idiot Just wait one second.

1088
00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:33.960
I don't think that's true.

1089
00:49:34.019 --> 00:49:36.539
I think he's wearing the brown suit in that final scene.

1090
00:49:36.659 --> 00:49:38.460
He is wearing the brown superfinals.

1091
00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:39.239
So he doesn't change.

1092
00:49:39.300 --> 00:49:40.800
He doesn't change suit.

1093
00:49:40.860 --> 00:49:41.099
Yeah.

1094
00:49:41.159 --> 00:49:43.139
Get it up on Plex.

1095
00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:45.719
Well, he does in the final scene, but he's wearing the blue all

1096
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:46.019
the way through.

1097
00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:47.280
So check that's different.

1098
00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:48.300
And if that's right.

1099
00:49:48.300 --> 00:49:51.780
No, I think that's fine because it is a different colour from the

1100
00:49:51.780 --> 00:49:54.239
same from the body's wearing for the rest of the episode.

1101
00:49:54.300 --> 00:49:55.559
Yeah, that's right.

1102
00:49:55.619 --> 00:49:56.219
Hang on.

1103
00:49:56.579 --> 00:50:00.239
If he still, if he's wearing the brown suit, goes into the TARDIS

1104
00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:01.440
and just says the tie, right?

1105
00:50:01.500 --> 00:50:02.699
And he's got a brown suit earlier.

1106
00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:06.360
If it's all brown, like to say we were wrong in our conversation

1107
00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:08.340
we just had, then what's the joke?

1108
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:11.219
Well, the joke is that he went back in time and took off his

1109
00:50:11.219 --> 00:50:11.579
time.

1110
00:50:11.639 --> 00:50:13.619
Yeah, which is pretty crack.

1111
00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:17.940
I can see 16 pages, threads of text on gallery base about this.

1112
00:50:18.059 --> 00:50:21.420
I only need to say it 3 times.

1113
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:26.039
When is my Anne Reid and Roy Marsden spinoff series coming

1114
00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:26.820
Nicholas Briggs?

1115
00:50:26.880 --> 00:50:27.900
Are there dollies?

1116
00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:29.099
There ought to be.

1117
00:50:29.699 --> 00:50:31.679
There ought to be.