WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-04 at 12:56:49 1 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:39.179 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight through Entirety 2 00:00:39.179 --> 00:00:42.479 the only Doctor Who podcast that comes to you free with its very 3 00:00:42.479 --> 00:00:45.899 own tiresome and repetitive catchphrase, and we're doing it now. 4 00:00:45.960 --> 00:00:47.219 I'm Nathan. 5 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:48.060 I'm Brendan. 6 00:00:48.119 --> 00:00:48.840 I'm Todd. 7 00:00:48.899 --> 00:00:53.159 I'm a resprayed welding helmet and a resprayed plot for this. 8 00:00:54.000 --> 00:00:57.780 Well, the doctor has finally decided to take on Martha full-time. 9 00:00:57.840 --> 00:01:00.719 So 1st stop, plummeting headlong into a blazing sun to the 10 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:03.060 soundtrack of one of Chris Chibnell's countdowns. 11 00:01:03.119 --> 00:01:05.640 Time to pull out the Pizbooee, everyone. 12 00:01:05.700 --> 00:01:06.480 It's 42. 13 00:01:23.340 --> 00:01:25.019 Or is it? 14 00:01:25.140 --> 00:01:28.560 I can't believe we're up to the Saranga conundrum already. 15 00:01:28.620 --> 00:01:29.939 Exactly. 16 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:31.859 Oh, dear. 17 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:32.879 No, I like this one. 18 00:01:32.939 --> 00:01:34.140 This should be a wonderful show. 19 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:36.420 Well, I see, it is a triptych, isn't it? 20 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:37.859 It is a sequel to Satan Pit. 21 00:01:37.920 --> 00:01:38.519 Yeah. 22 00:01:38.579 --> 00:01:40.260 It's only got the same cozzies. 23 00:01:40.260 --> 00:01:42.959 And the same sort of crew and stylising. 24 00:01:43.019 --> 00:01:45.900 Yes, but you don't know a single one of these people's names. 25 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:48.599 Like, I just go through and I go, right, we've got the captain 26 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:51.120 we've got burn with me, we've got the old engineer, we've got the 27 00:01:51.120 --> 00:01:53.159 young engineer, we've got the medic, we've got Martha's love 28 00:01:53.159 --> 00:01:55.079 interest in the 2nd in command. 29 00:01:55.140 --> 00:01:55.920 And I don't know. 30 00:01:56.640 --> 00:01:57.659 I don't know any of their names. 31 00:01:57.719 --> 00:01:59.219 No, we don't do it. 32 00:01:59.280 --> 00:01:59.819 Okay. 33 00:01:59.879 --> 00:02:04.439 Um, Captain McDonald, um, Riley Vashti. 34 00:02:04.859 --> 00:02:08.939 Abby, who is Rosa Parks. 35 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:10.259 The MRI machine. 36 00:02:10.319 --> 00:02:12.539 The MRI machine from Smith and Jones. 37 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:14.699 Scammel. 38 00:02:14.759 --> 00:02:15.479 Scammel. 39 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:16.560 Scam Scammel. 40 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:19.379 Scamel, Scamel's the one who... 41 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:21.180 The doctor's like, oh, you're so negative. 42 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:21.780 Sorry. 43 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:23.039 Sorry, that was Billy Piper. 44 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:24.120 You're so negative. 45 00:02:24.180 --> 00:02:24.840 There we are. 46 00:02:24.900 --> 00:02:25.740 That's David Tennant. 47 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:28.860 Oh, I forget the name of the bald daddy, and that's my thing. 48 00:02:29.219 --> 00:02:30.960 You, darling. 49 00:02:31.020 --> 00:02:37.560 And Hal Corwin, and Veronica Cartwright in Alien as Arena, the 50 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:41.340 engineering sort of... 51 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:46.919 But no, this is, in terms of production, definitely set in the 52 00:02:46.919 --> 00:02:51.120 same time period as the impossible Satan Pitt of Gabriel Wolf. 53 00:02:51.180 --> 00:02:55.860 Well, I just think that that story set the kind of aesthetic for 54 00:02:55.860 --> 00:02:57.840 the gritty near future. 55 00:02:57.900 --> 00:03:02.159 You've got a couple of different types of futures in the RTD era. 56 00:03:02.219 --> 00:03:06.780 One is the sort of comedy future of New Earth or the end of the 57 00:03:06.780 --> 00:03:07.080 world. 58 00:03:07.139 --> 00:03:10.740 But this sort of gritty space pioneer future. 59 00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:14.639 I mean, it's a similar aesthetic, I think, probably to Waters of 60 00:03:14.639 --> 00:03:18.120 Mars, much later, even though that set a great deal earlier. 61 00:03:18.240 --> 00:03:21.360 But what you have is the sort of fantastic Graham Harper 62 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:21.840 direction. 63 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:23.939 It gives it a sense of urgency. 64 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:29.099 Well, this is why filming in real time. should create an enormous 65 00:03:29.099 --> 00:03:33.060 amount of interest and immediacy in caring for your characters and 66 00:03:33.060 --> 00:03:35.340 the situation in which they are placed. 67 00:03:35.400 --> 00:03:37.919 I actually think, though, that it doesn't quite work. 68 00:03:37.979 --> 00:03:41.400 Because there is still a lot of standing around and talking 69 00:03:41.400 --> 00:03:43.379 cheaply in corridors. 70 00:03:43.379 --> 00:03:48.120 And we have got this countdown that is basically the name of the 71 00:03:48.120 --> 00:03:51.780 episode and kind of the episode's gimmick, but it doesn't really 72 00:03:51.780 --> 00:03:55.740 kind of lean into the gimmick quite enough. 73 00:03:55.800 --> 00:04:00.780 And for me, the countdown just ends up being a sort of cheap way 74 00:04:00.780 --> 00:04:02.699 of creating drama. 75 00:04:02.759 --> 00:04:07.199 And it's something that we'll go on to talk about because in, I 76 00:04:07.199 --> 00:04:11.939 think the Silurian 2 Padre in series 5, I think there's no less 77 00:04:11.939 --> 00:04:16.680 than 3 occasions where they're racing against the clock to do 78 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:17.519 something. 79 00:04:17.579 --> 00:04:19.379 And here. 80 00:04:19.439 --> 00:04:22.319 It is a little bit too leisurely at times, I think. 81 00:04:22.920 --> 00:04:28.019 Look, the other thing is too, like there's this problem set up at 82 00:04:28.019 --> 00:04:30.360 the beginning, at the very beginning, we've got to get through 83 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:37.139 these doors in this sort of stupid way to get to the flight deck. 84 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:40.620 Oh, sorry, I was just listening to what you were saying. 85 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:41.160 Yes, doors. 86 00:04:41.220 --> 00:04:41.519 Sorry. 87 00:04:41.579 --> 00:04:43.560 And it turns out we just do that. 88 00:04:43.620 --> 00:04:45.360 You know, like it's impossible. 89 00:04:45.420 --> 00:04:46.920 You know, we're racing against time. 90 00:04:46.980 --> 00:04:48.120 We've got all of these doors. 91 00:04:48.180 --> 00:04:51.060 We've got less than a minute per door, but we just managed to get 92 00:04:51.060 --> 00:04:51.420 through. 93 00:04:51.480 --> 00:04:52.379 It work? 94 00:04:52.439 --> 00:04:52.860 No. 95 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:56.220 I feel like an episode of Torchwood? 96 00:04:56.279 --> 00:04:58.980 But some of these questions are just so unreal. 97 00:04:59.040 --> 00:05:03.180 Like, I mean, the whole Elvis thing, you know, I mean, I may as 98 00:05:03.180 --> 00:05:06.240 well, like, throw out a thing saying, you know, what's the name of 99 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:08.639 the banana arm single that made it to number one in the United 100 00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:11.399 States and Australia, but only got to number 8 in the UK. 101 00:05:11.459 --> 00:05:12.540 What is it? 102 00:05:12.660 --> 00:05:14.040 Venus in furs? 103 00:05:14.100 --> 00:05:14.579 I don't. 104 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:15.540 You are correct. 105 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:18.540 The end of this episode will give you the answer. 106 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:19.680 The answer is Venus. 107 00:05:20.459 --> 00:05:22.620 Well done, suppose Aussies. 108 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:25.620 Aussie, Aussie, Aussie, oi, oi, oi. 7 weeks at number one. 109 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:27.540 It does feel a bit of revision, doesn't it? 110 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:30.600 And that we throw a lot of things in or Britain's got talent and 111 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:31.620 just hope it'll all work out. 112 00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:35.459 But I think that's another nod to Douglas Adams and trying to get 113 00:05:35.459 --> 00:05:37.980 that uppity spiky. 114 00:05:38.040 --> 00:05:40.980 I know, it'll be lots of fun, like Eric Sabo did with his very 115 00:05:40.980 --> 00:05:42.540 recent Dalek novelisation. 116 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:46.439 If we just throw in crap that is entirely irrelevant to the plot. 117 00:05:46.500 --> 00:05:48.240 I mean, it's trying to be Doctor Who. 118 00:05:48.300 --> 00:05:51.180 It's trying to do something that only Doctor Who would do in this 119 00:05:51.180 --> 00:05:51.540 contest. 120 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:54.240 It's made it organic and tied it back into the plot. 121 00:05:54.300 --> 00:05:57.300 You might argue not always successfully, but he did, and we don't 122 00:05:57.300 --> 00:05:58.019 actually have that here. 123 00:05:58.079 --> 00:05:59.819 I wanted Elvis to turn up at the end. 124 00:05:59.939 --> 00:06:02.939 I wanted Elvis to be in the shining heart of the sun. 125 00:06:04.860 --> 00:06:08.879 I mean, the one listening to his Monty Python albums. 126 00:06:08.939 --> 00:06:11.879 You know, he was a massive Monty Python fan before he died. 127 00:06:11.939 --> 00:06:16.379 And Elvis was used to do Neil Innis impersonations. 128 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:19.800 So there are very few British comedians that can say Elvis did 129 00:06:19.800 --> 00:06:22.259 impersonations of me, but No, he's a very naughty boy. 130 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:25.319 Elvis used to do that all the time when he died. 131 00:06:25.379 --> 00:06:27.480 And for a little while after, I think. 132 00:06:27.540 --> 00:06:28.019 Probably. 133 00:06:28.379 --> 00:06:34.860 So that does at least. allow us the perhaps the saving grace for 134 00:06:34.860 --> 00:06:37.259 the episode is the involvement of Francine. 135 00:06:40.740 --> 00:06:45.240 Look, I like those scenes, but I think you're all being needlessly 136 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:45.779 harsh. 137 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:49.740 I said during the week on Twitter, someone asked me my least 138 00:06:49.740 --> 00:06:51.120 favourite episode of Series 11. 139 00:06:51.300 --> 00:06:54.000 I said it was Saranga conundrum because it's aggressively 140 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:55.019 mediocre. 141 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:58.860 And, you know, it should be airport 77. 142 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:02.040 It should be the Poseidon adventure, but it's more super trained. 143 00:07:02.100 --> 00:07:05.459 This is like full-blown Poseidon adventure. 144 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:08.579 And I think it is partially down to Graham Harper's direction. 145 00:07:08.699 --> 00:07:12.240 But for me, the heart of the episode is actually Freema. 146 00:07:12.300 --> 00:07:12.959 Martha. 147 00:07:13.019 --> 00:07:14.399 Well, yeah, I think so. 148 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:15.060 This one who sells it. 149 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:15.779 Yeah. 150 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:17.220 In her hot tub moment. 151 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:20.100 She's locked in the solarium with a new man. 152 00:07:20.220 --> 00:07:22.439 I have to agree with you on that. 153 00:07:22.500 --> 00:07:24.720 I've not been here since episode one. 154 00:07:24.779 --> 00:07:28.019 And if you can just indulge me for a moment. 155 00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:32.579 When I watched this series originally, at this point, we'd come 156 00:07:32.579 --> 00:07:35.459 off 3 episodes that I hadn't particularly liked, the Dalek 157 00:07:35.459 --> 00:07:37.740 episodes, which I thought just the pants. 158 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:41.279 I was so over Martha being in love with the doctor. 159 00:07:41.339 --> 00:07:44.579 I thought Freeman was just giving a Freeman blank face. 160 00:07:44.639 --> 00:07:48.000 The mother did the slap in the previous episode. 161 00:07:48.060 --> 00:07:49.439 So I was already against her. 162 00:07:49.500 --> 00:07:53.399 So when she sort of says, why are you cheating at trivia? 163 00:07:53.459 --> 00:07:55.920 I just wanted to, you know, just push her to one side. 164 00:07:55.980 --> 00:08:00.180 So I thought it was okay, but I really liked all the stuff we've 165 00:08:00.180 --> 00:08:03.779 just talked about in terms of the whole Poseidon adventure thing 166 00:08:03.779 --> 00:08:08.339 but the whole subplot with Martha, which I perceived was like, I 167 00:08:08.339 --> 00:08:10.139 couldn't care less, just put her in subplot. 168 00:08:10.199 --> 00:08:11.160 I don't really want to know about it. 169 00:08:11.220 --> 00:08:12.060 That's what I was thinking. 170 00:08:12.120 --> 00:08:13.379 But I still quite liked the episode. 171 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:19.079 Well, I've obviously been rewatching this, and 12 years later, it's 172 00:08:19.079 --> 00:08:22.860 the Martha plot that I absolutely adore, and it's the other plot 173 00:08:22.860 --> 00:08:24.779 that I think is, hmm, pants. 174 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:29.279 I've done a big flip because when I started this season, as you 175 00:08:29.279 --> 00:08:31.680 all know out there, I wanted to investigate what I thought of 176 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:35.039 Freema and Mum and the whole plot. 177 00:08:35.100 --> 00:08:39.840 And I think that Freema is just the best. 178 00:08:39.899 --> 00:08:40.980 They're Anne's pants. 179 00:08:41.100 --> 00:08:43.679 She has just got this heart and soul and this strength and this 180 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:46.919 sass and it's her story throughout all these episodes that I'm 181 00:08:46.919 --> 00:08:49.980 really invested in and I'm invested in this. 182 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:52.860 I really like the 1st 3 episodes of the season. 183 00:08:52.860 --> 00:08:57.120 And last week's episode, the Lazarus experiment has just grown on 184 00:08:57.120 --> 00:08:57.659 me so much. 185 00:08:57.720 --> 00:08:58.379 It's so much fun. 186 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:00.600 I mean, I give it like 7.8 out of 10. 187 00:09:01.620 --> 00:09:04.559 Almost an eight, almost an eight. 188 00:09:04.620 --> 00:09:05.759 No, I really, really enjoyed it. 189 00:09:05.820 --> 00:09:06.899 I really enjoyed it. 190 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:10.320 It is a series of unfortunate events, which culminates in the slap 191 00:09:10.320 --> 00:09:13.500 which I don't really think pays off, but I understand where 192 00:09:13.500 --> 00:09:14.039 they're coming from. 193 00:09:14.100 --> 00:09:17.039 I also understand like last week, Martha's only been with the 194 00:09:17.039 --> 00:09:20.100 doctor for a week or so, so I understand that she's still in love 195 00:09:20.100 --> 00:09:20.399 with him. 196 00:09:20.460 --> 00:09:21.120 So I get all that. 197 00:09:21.179 --> 00:09:24.000 I think the Dalek 2 parter weighs everything down. 198 00:09:24.059 --> 00:09:25.980 The construction of that having to be 2 parts. 199 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:27.899 I think it would have been better to cuddle the fat and make that 200 00:09:27.899 --> 00:09:32.039 one part and have one episode, put in an episode before that with 201 00:09:32.039 --> 00:09:32.820 Martha's mum. 202 00:09:32.820 --> 00:09:35.700 So you could have a series of unfortunate events and then have the 203 00:09:35.700 --> 00:09:38.039 slap in last week's episode just to build that up a bit more. 204 00:09:38.100 --> 00:09:39.539 But I totally get where they're coming from. 205 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:41.700 And now that I'm older watching it as well. 206 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:45.659 I've got female friends who are mothers and they would totally say 207 00:09:45.659 --> 00:09:48.120 to their kids, why are you cheating at a pub trivia thing? 208 00:09:48.179 --> 00:09:51.899 So I actually was really liking that. 209 00:09:51.960 --> 00:09:56.159 So I can't believe I'm saying this, but Martha's mother is okay. 210 00:09:56.220 --> 00:09:58.259 I understand where she's coming from. 211 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:02.580 Framer is just the best thing and that whole, I'm just enjoying 212 00:10:02.580 --> 00:10:03.659 her so much at this point. 213 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:05.580 And it's really great that last week and this week, we don't 214 00:10:05.580 --> 00:10:08.340 really focus on Martha being in love with the doctor, but she 215 00:10:08.340 --> 00:10:11.460 loves the doctor and there's that underlying love and I like that 216 00:10:11.460 --> 00:10:11.700 more. 217 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:13.139 So there you go. where I'm at. 218 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:13.440 Thank you. 219 00:10:13.500 --> 00:10:17.940 I also think that there's a sort of attempt to apologise for how 220 00:10:17.940 --> 00:10:20.279 horrible the doctor's been to Martha up till now. 221 00:10:20.340 --> 00:10:24.419 And so here we have the doctor really genuinely concerned about 222 00:10:24.419 --> 00:10:26.399 Martha and trying to rescue her. 223 00:10:26.460 --> 00:10:28.019 We have her faith in him. 224 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:31.860 She's absolutely confident that he is going to be able to rescue 225 00:10:31.860 --> 00:10:35.759 her, even when they're sort of plummeting an implausibly long 226 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:39.720 distance away from the Pentalion, she still believes in him. 227 00:10:39.779 --> 00:10:43.919 And then you've got the doctor trusting her, which prefigures what 228 00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:48.179 we're going to get next week when the doctor is overcome by this 229 00:10:48.179 --> 00:10:51.539 rather sort of unimpressive adversary. 230 00:10:51.600 --> 00:10:56.820 He absolutely trusts her to look after him in that situation. 231 00:10:56.879 --> 00:11:01.379 And so there is a bit of an attempt here and last week, I think, to 232 00:11:01.379 --> 00:11:04.139 kind of repair the relationship between the 2 of them. 233 00:11:04.379 --> 00:11:08.279 The scene where she puts him in the MRI machine and she's taking 234 00:11:08.279 --> 00:11:09.120 the temperature down. 235 00:11:09.179 --> 00:11:13.200 That is properly disturbing and not to take anything away from 236 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:16.379 David Tennant, who plays the agony of it very well. 237 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:19.080 And he, you know, he is doing his teeth gnashing thing, but I 238 00:11:19.080 --> 00:11:20.580 think it's actually appropriate for once. 239 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:22.799 It's Freema who sells that scene. 240 00:11:22.860 --> 00:11:25.620 It's the pain on her face having to put him through this. 241 00:11:25.679 --> 00:11:28.379 And there's just this little bit and you almost can't hear it as 242 00:11:28.379 --> 00:11:31.620 he's screaming. you cut back to Martha and she just says, yeah. 243 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:33.480 She's like yeah, I know. 244 00:11:33.539 --> 00:11:39.360 I actually weld up watching that this week, just because the whole 245 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:41.460 romance potline we've talked about before. 246 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:42.360 We'll talk about it again. 247 00:11:42.419 --> 00:11:44.159 But there are times that it works. 248 00:11:44.159 --> 00:11:51.120 And when it works is when it's not just a teenage crush when it's 249 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:54.659 clearly a deep, if quick forming affection. 250 00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:57.419 And that is one of those scenes when they're trusting each other. 251 00:11:57.480 --> 00:12:01.379 And when he, when he's screaming through the glass, I'll save you 252 00:12:01.379 --> 00:12:04.139 and you can't hear him. it's good, isn't it? 253 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:04.919 What a moment. 254 00:12:04.980 --> 00:12:06.480 Like, there's no sound. 255 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:09.840 It's just, I wrote that down in my notes, Brendan, totally agree 256 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:10.919 with you. such a moment. 257 00:12:10.980 --> 00:12:13.860 I actually like what's happening with Riley there too. 258 00:12:13.980 --> 00:12:16.559 Because, I mean, they're both attractive young persons. 259 00:12:17.220 --> 00:12:21.840 And they very quickly bond because they think they're going to die 260 00:12:21.840 --> 00:12:22.500 together. 261 00:12:22.620 --> 00:12:25.559 He's the one who encourages her to ring her mother. 262 00:12:25.620 --> 00:12:29.039 There's that little bit of physical affection between them as 263 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:29.220 well. 264 00:12:29.279 --> 00:12:33.120 Yeah, because they're going to, you know, get it on later because 265 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:34.919 there isn't going to be a later at this point. 266 00:12:34.980 --> 00:12:39.600 But just the desire to be held, you know, one last time by 267 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:40.259 someone. 268 00:12:40.379 --> 00:12:44.039 And for me, that's the best bit of the episode as well, Tom. 269 00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:45.600 I think that whole plot. 270 00:12:45.659 --> 00:12:49.080 Nathan, in that pod, you know, when she stops worrying about 271 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:51.539 herself and ask questions of him. 272 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:53.580 It's just a brilliant, brilliant moment. 273 00:12:53.639 --> 00:12:57.779 And even with her theme that runs over all that when she's talking 274 00:12:57.779 --> 00:13:00.779 to her mom and just, I mean, I overcame with emotion. 275 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:05.100 I cannot stress enough how much Martha and Freeman in this episode 276 00:13:05.100 --> 00:13:08.279 is the heart of the episode and what is really the biggest 277 00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:09.419 strength. 278 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:14.940 You know, all this other plot stuff, like, it's so generic. 279 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:17.460 It's so incredibly unambitious. 280 00:13:17.580 --> 00:13:19.980 I'm shaking my fist at this point. 281 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:23.700 The more you see showrunners that are going to come into the show 282 00:13:23.700 --> 00:13:26.639 like the more you see their stuff now or in the future, then you 283 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:28.799 look back and you can see how they construct things. 284 00:13:28.860 --> 00:13:32.580 The whole magnetising of the hull business, you know, to bring 285 00:13:32.580 --> 00:13:33.059 them back. 286 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:34.200 Like, where did that come from? 287 00:13:34.259 --> 00:13:36.539 Like, I just kind of went, you've just pulled this out of your 288 00:13:36.539 --> 00:13:41.580 butt to sort of, you know, so that we don't, and where do we put 289 00:13:41.580 --> 00:13:43.919 the controls for remagnetizing the thing? 290 00:13:43.980 --> 00:13:46.019 Obviously on the outside of the spaceship? 291 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:46.799 Where else would they go? 292 00:13:46.860 --> 00:13:48.480 Don't do that in frontier in space. 293 00:13:48.539 --> 00:13:49.019 Yes. 294 00:13:49.080 --> 00:13:51.720 Okay, I'll tell you where that comes from because this is part of 295 00:13:51.720 --> 00:13:53.519 block seven, shot with utopia. 296 00:13:53.580 --> 00:13:55.019 This is the cheapie. 297 00:13:55.080 --> 00:13:57.659 This is where the money ran out because originally, right, with 298 00:13:57.659 --> 00:14:00.179 the ship falling into the sun, the artificial gravity was going to 299 00:14:00.179 --> 00:14:02.639 be haywire, and so the whole thing, everyone would have been 300 00:14:02.639 --> 00:14:05.580 literally pushing uphill, but they couldn't afford to build a 301 00:14:05.580 --> 00:14:06.299 tilted set. 302 00:14:06.360 --> 00:14:07.200 Right, right. 303 00:14:07.259 --> 00:14:10.019 And also the doctor was going to do a spacewalk along the outside 304 00:14:10.019 --> 00:14:12.299 of the ship. couldn't afford to do that. 305 00:14:12.360 --> 00:14:16.379 So it literally becomes, and this was Russell's note to Chris. 306 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:19.500 Make it a lever on the outside of the ship he can't quite reach. 307 00:14:19.559 --> 00:14:24.539 So the whole ship is plagued is plagued within inconveniently 308 00:14:24.539 --> 00:14:25.379 placed controls. 309 00:14:25.440 --> 00:14:26.639 Do you know what I mean? 310 00:14:26.700 --> 00:14:29.940 Like, if they'd had backup controls for restarting the engine 311 00:14:29.940 --> 00:14:34.019 somewhere else, like in engineering, there are engines. 312 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:36.600 This isn't an unused terry nation. 313 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:42.240 But last week had a series of unfortunate events with Martha's mum 314 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:43.679 leading up to the slap. 315 00:14:43.740 --> 00:14:46.679 This week we've just got a series of unfortunate events, the 316 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:47.879 actual writing. 317 00:14:47.940 --> 00:14:49.440 Oh, it's terrible. 318 00:14:49.500 --> 00:14:54.059 And you've got the masked person doing a catchphrase, which is 319 00:14:54.059 --> 00:14:57.600 just borrowed from the empty child, the doctor dances. 320 00:14:57.600 --> 00:15:00.179 Yeah, yeah. 321 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:03.480 I mean, it is it's as generic as possible, man. 322 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:07.440 The point with real time and what Todd did, you know, I totally 323 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:08.039 agree with you. 324 00:15:08.100 --> 00:15:11.100 And what you're saying is the plotting, in fact, the scripting 325 00:15:11.100 --> 00:15:15.600 ought to be irrelevant because with direction and with real time 326 00:15:15.600 --> 00:15:20.340 think back to films like Run, Law, or Run, or I'm trying to think 327 00:15:20.340 --> 00:15:20.759 of other ones. 328 00:15:20.820 --> 00:15:24.899 My favourite one came out the same year as Doctor Strangelove in 329 00:15:24.899 --> 00:15:25.259 64. 330 00:15:25.259 --> 00:15:27.059 Fail Safe. 331 00:15:27.120 --> 00:15:29.399 Sidney Lumet with Henry Fonda. 332 00:15:29.460 --> 00:15:33.000 He also did dog day afternoon in 1975 that I remember as a little 333 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:35.460 boy with other people. 334 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:37.320 That was the same story. 335 00:15:37.379 --> 00:15:40.320 The setup is probably the most famous one, Robert Wise, who gave 336 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:44.159 us Star Trek, the Motionless Picture, and Sound of Music, Sound of 337 00:15:44.159 --> 00:15:46.980 Music, and a vacuum, yes, which we were enjoying here. 338 00:15:47.039 --> 00:15:51.179 United 93, if you ever saw that, that came out in 2006 about the 339 00:15:51.179 --> 00:15:55.500 911 planes, which I weirdly saw in a theatre with John Waters, but 340 00:15:55.500 --> 00:15:56.460 that's for another time. 341 00:15:56.519 --> 00:15:57.899 I really did. 342 00:15:57.960 --> 00:16:02.759 Are all wonderful films and they show that all you need to do. 343 00:16:02.820 --> 00:16:06.659 All a writer needs to do is just give absolute truthful 344 00:16:06.659 --> 00:16:08.159 narrative. 345 00:16:08.220 --> 00:16:10.200 You don't throw in quirky things. 346 00:16:10.259 --> 00:16:11.100 You're not cheeky. 347 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:12.720 You just tell it for real. 348 00:16:12.840 --> 00:16:16.559 And the pacing and marvellous direction will do the rest for you. 349 00:16:16.620 --> 00:16:20.940 And this is also beautifully lit, and this also does have great 350 00:16:20.940 --> 00:16:23.460 atmospherics. you can see it's cheap, but all the rest of it. 351 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:25.200 And yet, it's not popular. 352 00:16:25.259 --> 00:16:27.240 We're not liking this show. 353 00:16:27.299 --> 00:16:29.940 And yet, I'm saying we've got a perfect director. 354 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:33.659 We actually have a script that doesn't really do too much. 355 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:37.019 So why are we all feeling somewhat dispassionate about this? 356 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:39.899 Well, Richard, I think it comes for me. 357 00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:41.700 Like, if you look at classic Doctor Who, yes. 358 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:44.759 We have other stories that have a series of impossible things, but 359 00:16:44.759 --> 00:16:48.000 through performance or witty dialogue or things that are honest 360 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:52.320 and appear truthful and organic, we buy into it, whereas here, none 361 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:54.840 of the performances personally stand out, especially the captain 362 00:16:54.840 --> 00:16:58.620 who, I think, needs to really be the heart and the soul of this 363 00:16:58.620 --> 00:17:01.679 like she is at the crux of it, but I just think she's very by the 364 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:01.919 numbers. 365 00:17:01.980 --> 00:17:07.140 I refer back to cyberdad and coronation dad from last season. 366 00:17:07.259 --> 00:17:10.319 She's as good as them, which is, for me, not great. 367 00:17:10.380 --> 00:17:13.920 Soap actors have worked so far in this because she's in EastEnders 368 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:14.339 isn't she? 369 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:15.059 Yes, yeah. 370 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:15.660 Michelle Collins. 371 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:17.759 And I don't think she's very good at all. 372 00:17:17.819 --> 00:17:21.960 Like, yeah, I was watching it knowing that her performance isn't 373 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:22.500 too popular. 374 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:25.799 I'm sure I'm sure Peter Griffiths would kill us if we didn't 375 00:17:25.799 --> 00:17:27.839 mention that he detests her performance in this. 376 00:17:27.900 --> 00:17:30.539 I think he's poisoned me against her. 377 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:33.599 This is his least favourite episode of the season. 378 00:17:33.660 --> 00:17:37.980 For me, though, I was watching her and I'm thinking, you're not 379 00:17:37.980 --> 00:17:39.480 you're not giving a bad performance. 380 00:17:39.720 --> 00:17:45.240 But whereas I believe Beryl Reed as a freighter captain. 381 00:17:45.299 --> 00:17:46.200 Oh me too. 382 00:17:46.319 --> 00:17:47.819 I don't. the leather. 383 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:51.779 Yeah, Beryl Reed has this swagger and this bravado. 384 00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:53.940 I don't believe Michelle Collins in this role. 385 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:57.960 I believe that she is a woman whose husband has been horrifically 386 00:17:57.960 --> 00:17:59.099 transformed. 387 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:00.059 She sells that for me. 388 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:01.799 But not the captain part. 389 00:18:01.799 --> 00:18:03.299 But not the captain part. 390 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:04.920 See, for me, it's the other way around. 391 00:18:04.980 --> 00:18:09.000 I think that the shorthand that Chibnalls use to create the Corwin 392 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:11.700 McDonald relationship is that they're married. 393 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:14.339 But we never, ever, ever see that. 394 00:18:14.519 --> 00:18:17.460 And so the 1st thing that we see of Corwin is him in the Sick Bay 395 00:18:17.460 --> 00:18:19.680 already having been infected. 396 00:18:19.740 --> 00:18:24.180 And so we don't get a scene of them bantering together before this 397 00:18:24.180 --> 00:18:24.779 happens. 398 00:18:24.839 --> 00:18:28.019 We don't see them interact in any way at all. 399 00:18:28.079 --> 00:18:32.160 And just telling us that they're married is in no way interesting 400 00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:37.559 enough, and in no way, a good way of establishing that they have 401 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:38.759 an important relationship. 402 00:18:38.819 --> 00:18:42.960 And the way it ends with the 2 of them, you know, out the airlock 403 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:47.039 together kind of dancing, that should be amazing. 404 00:18:47.099 --> 00:18:49.079 Whereas it's a relief. 405 00:18:49.140 --> 00:18:51.059 Yeah, it's zero. 406 00:18:51.180 --> 00:18:52.079 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 407 00:18:52.140 --> 00:18:56.519 And in Giblon's original script, she puts him out the airlock, but 408 00:18:56.519 --> 00:19:00.240 she survives and it was discussions between him and Russell and 409 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:03.539 Julie Gardner, where they kind of said, well, no, she's got to go 410 00:19:03.539 --> 00:19:03.900 with him. 411 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:05.160 She's not coming back. 412 00:19:05.579 --> 00:19:13.140 But as you say, it doesn't mean that much because as an actress 413 00:19:13.140 --> 00:19:16.440 Michelle Collins has had to do all the emotional lifting to create 414 00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:20.220 this relationship because he's not there because Matthew Chambers 415 00:19:20.220 --> 00:19:25.079 I think, is the actor who plays cool when he has no chance to 416 00:19:25.079 --> 00:19:27.539 demonstrate his affection for this character. 417 00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:29.880 Yeah, so we don't see that at all. 418 00:19:29.940 --> 00:19:32.940 I just don't buy it So we know it's not the director because we've 419 00:19:32.940 --> 00:19:33.960 seen him be brilliant before. 420 00:19:34.019 --> 00:19:38.460 We know it's possibly not the actors because, you know, our agent 421 00:19:38.460 --> 00:19:41.279 provocateur has delivered on other levels during this script. 422 00:19:41.339 --> 00:19:45.119 She's given us warmth and real sense of, you know, heightened 423 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:45.599 drama. 424 00:19:45.660 --> 00:19:51.119 And again, we know a good director and even an adequate actor can 425 00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:54.420 bring each other up to a very high pitch and make it work. 426 00:19:54.480 --> 00:19:58.200 So we're coming back to, oh, dear, Chiba's chunkies, aren't we? 427 00:19:58.259 --> 00:20:01.380 Look, I think Chippers will go on to do better than this before 428 00:20:01.380 --> 00:20:02.339 series 11. 429 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:07.259 But this is, you know, terrifyingly unambitious, I think. 430 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:11.099 I wanted to avoid doing that to tubers because it is so much the 431 00:20:11.099 --> 00:20:12.180 source du jour. 432 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:13.740 Yeah, yeah, yeah, this month. 433 00:20:13.799 --> 00:20:18.480 But, I mean, the other thing that I think is a massive mistake is 434 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:21.779 you know, every so often you'll get a Doctor Who monster that 435 00:20:21.779 --> 00:20:27.180 doesn't really seem to deserve the fear that the doctor shows in 436 00:20:27.180 --> 00:20:27.839 its presence. 437 00:20:27.900 --> 00:20:30.359 I'm thinking, say, about the crinoid. 438 00:20:30.420 --> 00:20:33.539 You know, Tom's playing it as if he's scared of the crinoid, even 439 00:20:33.539 --> 00:20:36.839 though it's just a sort of big ass vegetable. massive rubber 440 00:20:36.839 --> 00:20:37.319 mattress. 441 00:20:37.380 --> 00:20:38.519 That's right. 442 00:20:39.180 --> 00:20:42.059 And latex. 443 00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:42.779 Sorry. 444 00:20:42.839 --> 00:20:43.559 That's it. 445 00:20:43.619 --> 00:20:45.660 A mixture of latex foam and memory foam. 446 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:49.680 Well, Paul Sarah Jane had a latex allergy to try to protect her. 447 00:20:49.740 --> 00:20:51.599 For goodness sake, you're right. 448 00:20:51.660 --> 00:20:53.460 When we've got the biggest plot device of all time. 449 00:20:53.519 --> 00:20:56.039 We've got Stanis and our limbs, Solaris. 450 00:20:56.099 --> 00:20:57.059 Yeah, the sentient sun. 451 00:20:57.119 --> 00:21:01.259 Which is possibly the most extraordinary pricey for a film and a 452 00:21:01.259 --> 00:21:02.880 wonderful book and we talk about it all the time. 453 00:21:02.940 --> 00:21:06.420 This has got everything going for it on paper. but it just doesn't 454 00:21:06.420 --> 00:21:07.019 go anywhere. 455 00:21:07.079 --> 00:21:09.299 It's more like, you know, Croll. 456 00:21:09.359 --> 00:21:13.500 It's the biggest Doctor Who monster to date, but it ends up not 457 00:21:13.500 --> 00:21:14.400 being very interesting. 458 00:21:14.460 --> 00:21:17.339 And don't know how you can say such a thing. 459 00:21:17.400 --> 00:21:23.819 Getting tenant overcome by this and so making him gurn and gnash 460 00:21:23.819 --> 00:21:28.140 his teeth and yell and crawl down the corridors and throw himself 461 00:21:28.140 --> 00:21:32.519 about the set for like a 3rd of the episode is so not what I want 462 00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:36.359 to see at this point in his career as the doctor. 463 00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:38.400 I love that. 464 00:21:38.460 --> 00:21:40.380 Do you think he's enjoying it? 465 00:21:40.440 --> 00:21:42.180 Because he looks pretty miffed to me. 466 00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:44.400 Well, I'd be very surprised if he wasn't. 467 00:21:44.460 --> 00:21:49.019 I think it's like when you get, um, later than this, obviously, but 468 00:21:49.019 --> 00:21:52.619 the Sarah Jane adventures where she's overtaken by, I think it's 469 00:21:52.619 --> 00:21:57.779 Kudlak, and Liz Sladen gets to do her whole, I am evil, thank 470 00:21:57.779 --> 00:21:58.140 you. 471 00:21:58.200 --> 00:21:58.859 Oh, that's fun. 472 00:21:58.920 --> 00:22:03.059 But, I mean, if Tenant's not enjoying this, frankly, he shouldn't 473 00:22:03.059 --> 00:22:05.460 be playing the role because, you know, every doctor needs a good 474 00:22:05.460 --> 00:22:06.720 possession storyline. 475 00:22:06.779 --> 00:22:10.559 Yeah, it just makes him do all of the terrible things about his 476 00:22:10.559 --> 00:22:11.759 performance that I ate. 477 00:22:11.819 --> 00:22:13.019 Only dialled up to 11. 478 00:22:13.200 --> 00:22:14.220 But with an excuse. 479 00:22:14.279 --> 00:22:16.559 Yeah, I know. up to Matt Smith. 480 00:22:16.680 --> 00:22:19.319 Also, original script outline. 481 00:22:19.380 --> 00:22:20.640 Martha got possessed. 482 00:22:20.700 --> 00:22:22.559 I think that could have been more interesting. 483 00:22:22.619 --> 00:22:26.039 But the thing is, Russell said, we've had Martha kind of being 484 00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:28.440 pushed away by the doctor for 6 episodes. 485 00:22:28.500 --> 00:22:33.420 We need to give her something where she is more proactive. 486 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:36.539 And Russell's idea was demonstrate a new factor of their 487 00:22:36.539 --> 00:22:36.960 relationship. 488 00:22:37.019 --> 00:22:40.559 She's still in love with him, but she is now a full companion and 489 00:22:40.559 --> 00:22:42.779 she's got the super phone and she gets the key at the end of this 490 00:22:42.779 --> 00:22:43.319 episode. 491 00:22:43.380 --> 00:22:48.059 To be honest, if it had have been Martha being possessed. 492 00:22:48.119 --> 00:22:51.720 I would have been very disappointed just because, you know, last 493 00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:55.259 week she made herself bait for Professor Lazarus. 494 00:22:55.259 --> 00:22:58.920 And, you know, before that, she was being dragged off by the pig 495 00:22:58.920 --> 00:23:03.000 slaves and in gridlock, she gets dragged off into a car and in the 496 00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:04.859 Shakespeare coach, she gets knocked out by the witches. 497 00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:07.019 You know, this is the 1st time the doctor's the one 498 00:23:07.019 --> 00:23:07.920 incapacitated. 499 00:23:07.980 --> 00:23:09.900 And as you say it earlier, Nathan. 500 00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:13.319 It prefigures the fabulous two-parter we're going to have next 501 00:23:13.319 --> 00:23:13.559 week. 502 00:23:13.619 --> 00:23:16.799 When he dresses up as a cleaner in South Wales. 503 00:23:16.859 --> 00:23:18.180 Yes, yeah, yeah. 504 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:22.920 Yes, so join us for Doctor Who next week when Doctor and Martha 505 00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:23.640 look for a watch. 506 00:23:23.700 --> 00:23:25.920 Scintillating stuff here, BBC one. 507 00:23:25.980 --> 00:23:29.460 The doctor has obviously recovered from his heat strip. 508 00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:32.279 Very 50s radio, isn't it? 509 00:23:32.339 --> 00:23:35.099 Sorry, I'm just grasping at straws. 510 00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:37.500 So I run out of stuff to say for this episode except about 511 00:23:37.500 --> 00:23:39.359 Martha's mum, which I'll talk about shortly. 512 00:23:39.420 --> 00:23:40.559 Oh, and she's extraordinary. 513 00:23:40.619 --> 00:23:42.420 I think she's the best actor in the cast. 514 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:46.380 This is the 2nd episode in a row where one of Mr. Saxon's 515 00:23:46.380 --> 00:23:55.440 underlings is working to kind of recruit poor old Francine to kind 516 00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:57.900 of separate her from the doctor, do you think? 517 00:23:57.960 --> 00:24:00.240 Certainly to drive a wedge. 518 00:24:00.299 --> 00:24:00.660 Right. 519 00:24:00.660 --> 00:24:03.299 And not so much even to drive a wedge between Francine and the 520 00:24:03.299 --> 00:24:05.220 doctor because that's already been slapped into place. 521 00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:09.539 It's to drive a wedge between Martha and her family. 522 00:24:09.599 --> 00:24:10.680 Oh yeah. 523 00:24:10.740 --> 00:24:14.339 Yeah, so, you know, we will find out later that Saxon has employed 524 00:24:14.339 --> 00:24:18.960 Tish and now he's whispering in Francine's ear. 525 00:24:19.319 --> 00:24:22.140 It was meant to be, and I got this wrong last week. 526 00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:23.460 It wasn't sinister, man. 527 00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:24.299 Creepy man. 528 00:24:24.359 --> 00:24:25.680 Mysterious man. 529 00:24:25.740 --> 00:24:28.799 It was meant to be the mysterious man from the Lazarus experiment 530 00:24:28.799 --> 00:24:32.640 sitting behind Francine listening to the thing, but he was a late 531 00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:33.539 addition to the script. 532 00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:34.319 He wasn't available. 533 00:24:34.380 --> 00:24:36.180 So we get the sinister woman. 534 00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:36.960 Okay. 535 00:24:37.019 --> 00:24:38.640 And she'll be back. 536 00:24:38.700 --> 00:24:39.839 Yeah, she'll be back. 537 00:24:39.900 --> 00:24:43.980 But it is very interesting watching those scenes and now with 538 00:24:43.980 --> 00:24:47.460 hindsight and knowing what's to come, how they're progressing that 539 00:24:47.460 --> 00:24:52.500 plot and how you sort of, well, how I am a bit offput by the mum 540 00:24:52.500 --> 00:24:55.559 saying, oh, you know, you really don't like the doctor, you're in 541 00:24:55.559 --> 00:24:58.859 cahoots, but it all just takes a little bit of a turn at the end 542 00:24:58.859 --> 00:25:01.980 there where, you know, she's not going to tell, tell her who she 543 00:25:01.980 --> 00:25:02.460 voted for. 544 00:25:02.519 --> 00:25:04.980 And the look on her face at the end means that she's not entirely 545 00:25:04.980 --> 00:25:06.359 convinced that she's done the right thing. 546 00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:09.420 And for me, that's the redemption moment for her character. 547 00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:14.819 Yeah, I think not voting for Saxon is like that's particularly 548 00:25:14.819 --> 00:25:15.420 telling. 549 00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:20.940 And all of the Saxon stuff is being reused in British politics 550 00:25:20.940 --> 00:25:21.420 right now. 551 00:25:21.420 --> 00:25:24.000 Well, in British politics right now, but also in years and years 552 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:24.779 as well. 553 00:25:24.839 --> 00:25:30.420 So it's hard to read Saxon as anything other than a kind of Emma 554 00:25:30.420 --> 00:25:31.019 Thompson. 555 00:25:31.079 --> 00:25:34.740 Yes, a proto-Emer Thompson, sort of pre-Vivian Rooks. 556 00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:40.319 So a sort of weird political outsider who's sort of populist. 557 00:25:40.380 --> 00:25:45.119 And so having Francine basically say that she didn't vote for him 558 00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:46.619 is pretty good. 559 00:25:46.680 --> 00:25:49.079 And so that means this is election day. 560 00:25:49.140 --> 00:25:54.180 And so all of the, uh, you know, the next few episodes will all 561 00:25:54.180 --> 00:25:58.500 take place like within a 24 hour period and then we arrive back on 562 00:25:58.500 --> 00:26:02.640 earth the day after that final scene of 42. 563 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:06.359 Yes, it's something that I never really picked up on, that it's 564 00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:09.299 all literally within like a week or whatever it happens to be 565 00:26:09.299 --> 00:26:13.259 which fed into my dislike of the whole Martha in love with the 566 00:26:13.259 --> 00:26:15.900 doctor, plot line, just get over it, but I totally understand it 567 00:26:15.900 --> 00:26:17.700 and understand it now. 568 00:26:17.819 --> 00:26:25.079 And due to a quirk in broadcasting, there are about 21 novels with 569 00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:29.339 Martha set during this season as well because there's only a few 570 00:26:29.339 --> 00:26:32.460 with Catherine Tate because after what happens to Catherine Tate's 571 00:26:32.460 --> 00:26:33.059 character next year. 572 00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:35.519 Russell kind of went, oh, no, I don't want to do any more Donna 573 00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:38.220 novels because, you know, the ending was so powerful. 574 00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:41.460 Whereas with Martha, you get the novels from this year and you get 575 00:26:41.460 --> 00:26:45.599 the novels from before Catherine Tate becomes the assistant, the 576 00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:46.079 following year. 577 00:26:46.140 --> 00:26:46.500 Yeah. 578 00:26:46.740 --> 00:26:49.380 Yeah, Martha, it's kind of weird. 579 00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:52.980 Her story takes place over a week in terms of the show, but she 580 00:26:52.980 --> 00:26:56.880 has some of the greatest amount of media out there out of any new 581 00:26:56.880 --> 00:27:03.720 series companion. characters I really liked in this one. 582 00:27:03.779 --> 00:27:08.039 There is no one I dislike, but as your earlier saying, there's no 583 00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:10.859 one that really sticks in the memory, but rather the cruel. 584 00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:15.960 And even I find the doctor, as you say, the gurning, yes, it's 585 00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:18.599 right for it, but it seems like he's pushing an enormous amount of 586 00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:19.859 energy for very little return. 587 00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:24.720 Yeah, it's almost as if we're being pushed through a CVE, isn't 588 00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:24.900 it? 589 00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:28.980 and reexperiencing the 2nd law of thermodynamics. 590 00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:31.740 I wonder if I wonder what St. 591 00:27:31.740 --> 00:27:33.420 Bidmead would say about this one. 592 00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:35.880 Because it's got proper scien-y-ish. 593 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:38.460 It does feel a bit meaty, doesn't it? 594 00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:41.160 Except it's not... 595 00:27:42.180 --> 00:27:45.599 No, actually, I'm working this less now. 596 00:27:45.660 --> 00:27:47.279 I came in here saying it's about a seven. 597 00:27:47.339 --> 00:27:49.680 All the Martha stuff's great, but then the rest of that stuff 598 00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:50.400 is... 599 00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:51.059 Mother's good in it. 600 00:27:51.180 --> 00:27:52.559 It's not working for me. 601 00:27:52.619 --> 00:27:55.920 That doesn't happen very often. usually find something to 602 00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:56.339 celebrate. 603 00:27:56.400 --> 00:27:59.819 This is rivalling the Dalek 2 part of my least favourite episode 604 00:27:59.819 --> 00:28:00.539 of the season. 605 00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:01.259 We loved that. 606 00:28:01.319 --> 00:28:04.200 Yeah, yeah, it's more interesting than this. 607 00:28:04.259 --> 00:28:06.000 I mean, he has got better ideas. 608 00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:08.819 And I care about the characters in that one. 609 00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:09.539 That's the deal. 610 00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:11.759 I really care about everybody, yeah. 611 00:28:11.819 --> 00:28:14.460 I mean, we were talking about it earlier, Todd, before we started 612 00:28:14.460 --> 00:28:15.180 recording. 613 00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:18.180 And if you think about the Impossible Planet, which this is trying 614 00:28:18.180 --> 00:28:21.359 to be like, We know and love those characters. 615 00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:26.579 I mean, you can you can name like Ida, and Toby, and Danny, and 616 00:28:26.579 --> 00:28:27.779 Zachary Croft's Flane. 617 00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:31.680 Scooty, you know, like, we know them and we care about them. 618 00:28:31.740 --> 00:28:32.940 Mr. Jefferson. 619 00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:36.660 Whereas I'm struggling to know anything about these people at all 620 00:28:36.660 --> 00:28:38.940 or about their relationships to one another. 621 00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:42.960 I guess there's the grumpy engineer guy who's very clear on who is 622 00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:44.339 allowed to give him orders. 623 00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:47.160 But that's not really enough. 624 00:28:47.220 --> 00:28:49.559 I mean, that's not good enough. 625 00:28:49.619 --> 00:28:52.140 Like, if you're going to care about characters, you need to really 626 00:28:52.140 --> 00:28:55.440 know their names and have those, as you were saying earlier. 627 00:28:55.500 --> 00:28:57.599 See those relationships rather than being told about them. 628 00:28:57.660 --> 00:29:01.140 And that's something that I hate saying this, but I'm finding in 629 00:29:01.140 --> 00:29:03.779 Chris Chibnall's writing, is that you get told about these things 630 00:29:03.779 --> 00:29:06.779 rather than actually seeing organic, if we see those things, then 631 00:29:06.779 --> 00:29:08.640 we're much more invested, and I think there'd be a much better 632 00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:10.259 payoff on that entire plotline. 633 00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:13.680 Yeah, well, the death of Scooty and the Impossible Planet is so 634 00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:16.920 much more heartbreaking than any of the deaths or all of the 635 00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:18.180 deaths here put together. 636 00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:20.160 I just can't bring myself to care. 637 00:29:20.220 --> 00:29:24.539 And having this sort of menacing guy that sort of wanders around 638 00:29:24.539 --> 00:29:26.579 killing you and uttering a catchphrase. 639 00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:27.539 So what? 640 00:29:27.660 --> 00:29:29.579 Riley is the only one that I really care about. 641 00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:32.339 And that's through his relationship with Martha. 642 00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:34.680 I think it's appalling that virtually everybody's just killed off 643 00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:36.119 and some of them with a joke. 644 00:29:36.180 --> 00:29:38.519 Like, I just think that's just not Doctor Who. 645 00:29:39.420 --> 00:29:44.400 And if you know my classic FTE podcast, then you'll realise that 646 00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:46.380 for me to say that, that's a big thing. 647 00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:47.099 Yeah, yeah. 648 00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:50.339 It's like Arena complaining about fetching Carrie, fetching Carrie 649 00:29:50.339 --> 00:29:50.819 kill me now. 650 00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:53.880 But, you know, that's straight out of a horror movie. 651 00:29:53.940 --> 00:29:58.559 That's some scream, 1996, a character called Tatum is cornered in 652 00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:02.519 the garage by the Ghostface Killer, but thinks it's someone in a 653 00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:06.180 costume having a joke, and she has the rather wonderful line of, no 654 00:30:06.180 --> 00:30:07.079 don't kill me. 655 00:30:07.140 --> 00:30:08.940 I want to be in the sequel. 656 00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:11.460 And then she's killed by a doggy dorm. 657 00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:14.160 I would have liked one of the women to have survived other than 658 00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:17.819 Martha, but anyway, that's a good point, actually, because, yeah 659 00:30:17.819 --> 00:30:21.359 you've got Abby Lerner, who will be Rose Parks. 660 00:30:21.420 --> 00:30:25.440 But yeah, playing the ship's doctor who basically gets a few lines 661 00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:29.519 of exposition really doesn't get much in the way of character and 662 00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:30.299 is then killed. 663 00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:31.799 And Arena's then killed. 664 00:30:31.859 --> 00:30:34.500 So, yeah, aside from cooling, like they're the 1st 2 to die, the 2 665 00:30:34.500 --> 00:30:34.859 women. 666 00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:36.599 I hadn't considered that. 667 00:30:36.660 --> 00:30:40.440 And I really, I really like Arena. 668 00:30:40.500 --> 00:30:44.400 Like she's only there for a few seeds, but she just gets the kind 669 00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:47.339 of grumpiness of being the intern across and no one ever says 670 00:30:47.339 --> 00:30:50.160 she's the intern, but she appears to be the youngest member of the 671 00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:50.519 crew. 672 00:30:50.579 --> 00:30:52.559 She is told to fetch and carry a water. 673 00:30:52.619 --> 00:30:55.440 She almost gets locked behind the doors and her 1st aid is, who's 674 00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:56.279 shutting all the doors? 675 00:30:56.339 --> 00:30:57.240 Mama's got locked in. 676 00:30:57.299 --> 00:30:58.980 She should have survived. 677 00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:00.180 Yeah, yeah, she was great. 678 00:31:00.299 --> 00:31:01.799 Her and Riley should have survived. 679 00:31:01.859 --> 00:31:02.339 Yeah, agree. 680 00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:02.880 Yeah. 681 00:31:02.940 --> 00:31:05.579 Because, you know, Scaml could have had his Mr. Jefferson moment 682 00:31:05.579 --> 00:31:08.759 of, yeah, I'm the grumpy taciturn one, but really I love all you 683 00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:09.599 crazy kids. 684 00:31:09.660 --> 00:31:10.920 Scam all the old man. 685 00:31:10.980 --> 00:31:14.880 No, Scamel's the other guy who survives at the end. the 2nd in 686 00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:15.299 charge, I think. 687 00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:15.960 Yeah, yeah. 688 00:31:16.019 --> 00:31:18.299 The one who's constantly grumpy and well that won't work and that 689 00:31:18.299 --> 00:31:19.259 won't work and that won't work. 690 00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:21.420 I have literally no memory of him. 691 00:31:21.779 --> 00:31:27.240 It's what should have been done to the Scooby-Doo cast, isn't it? 692 00:31:27.299 --> 00:31:28.140 We really do. 693 00:31:28.140 --> 00:31:29.519 We should have picked them off one by one. 694 00:31:29.579 --> 00:31:30.960 Velma and then... 695 00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:34.079 I suppose we've seen enough horror postiches to that have done 696 00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:37.319 that before this, but it almost does feel like that. 697 00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:43.259 That we've got such a setup of cyphers that, again, recognisable 698 00:31:43.259 --> 00:31:46.319 memes, tropes, tropes, tropes. 699 00:31:46.380 --> 00:31:48.420 And again, knocked off like dominoes. 700 00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:51.839 Oh, I really want to say something nice about Chipper's script 701 00:31:51.900 --> 00:31:52.619 really do. 702 00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:55.440 Look, I think he will go on to produce better scripts than this 703 00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:59.220 but it is just astonishingly... 704 00:31:59.220 --> 00:32:00.539 Better Malcolm Hulk script. 705 00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:02.339 Yeah, better Malcolm Hulk scripts than this. 706 00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:07.019 But it is really linear and it really just doesn't have anything. 707 00:32:07.140 --> 00:32:08.700 It really should work for real time. 708 00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:10.319 That's where you get the paint. 709 00:32:10.380 --> 00:32:12.359 But it'd be nice to have some plot twist or something. 710 00:32:12.420 --> 00:32:15.480 And I don't think the discovery that it's they're being killed by 711 00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:19.619 their own fuel, which could go somewhere or mean something, but 712 00:32:19.619 --> 00:32:20.160 doesn't. 713 00:32:20.220 --> 00:32:21.960 It's just a science fiction trope. 714 00:32:22.019 --> 00:32:25.440 I mean, we're all being killed by own fuel, even as we speak, but 715 00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:27.839 it doesn't actually have anything to say. 716 00:32:27.900 --> 00:32:31.980 And that's another thing about gymnal scripts is that they often 717 00:32:31.980 --> 00:32:34.619 just have no real subtext. 718 00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:38.460 They are a collection of science fiction things that happen for 42 719 00:32:38.460 --> 00:32:38.700 minutes. 720 00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:43.200 And you get the whole resolution where, you know, they jettison 721 00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:47.279 the fuel and then it just unpossesses the doctor because that's 722 00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:47.759 what we do. 723 00:32:47.819 --> 00:32:48.900 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 724 00:32:49.019 --> 00:32:53.339 It occurs to me that Star Trek Voyager did this episode at least 725 00:32:53.339 --> 00:32:53.819 twice. 726 00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:54.480 Really? 727 00:32:54.539 --> 00:32:56.700 Like living nebulas and things like that. 728 00:32:56.819 --> 00:33:00.599 To the point that, yeah, they take a bit out of the nebula and 729 00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:01.559 then they have to repair it. 730 00:33:01.619 --> 00:33:02.339 Brendan, yeah. 731 00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:03.660 Is there coffee in that nebula? 732 00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:04.799 coffee in that nebula. 733 00:33:04.859 --> 00:33:06.180 Yes, that's the one. 734 00:33:06.299 --> 00:33:07.259 I remember. 735 00:33:07.259 --> 00:33:10.140 I think that's like episode 3 of which. 736 00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:15.960 Yeah, look, I quite like this, but I think Chibnell will 737 00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:16.799 definitely do better. 738 00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:19.559 Like one of my favourite chibnal scripts is the power of three 739 00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:21.839 which we're still a few years away from. 740 00:33:21.900 --> 00:33:25.740 But I think as a debut Doctor Who script, You compare this to the 741 00:33:25.740 --> 00:33:28.380 Lazarus experiment last week with Stephen Greenhorn. 742 00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:34.859 And it seems to me, this script, it may be linear, but what 743 00:33:34.859 --> 00:33:38.400 happens is a logical progression. 744 00:33:38.460 --> 00:33:41.579 You never sort of have to make a leap to understand why we are 745 00:33:41.579 --> 00:33:42.180 where we are. 746 00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:45.240 Like with the Lazarus experiment last week, you know, there has to 747 00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:48.299 be all this talk about a cathedral in the 1st couple of acts. 748 00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:49.859 So it's Chehov's Cathedral. 749 00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:51.480 You know we know we're going to end up there. 750 00:33:51.539 --> 00:33:52.680 There's nothing like that here. 751 00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:58.200 This is one I think you can come into halfway through and you know 752 00:33:58.200 --> 00:33:59.099 what is happening. 753 00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:02.400 And I think the way I recommend coming in 5 minutes from the end. 754 00:34:03.420 --> 00:34:07.440 Right, and so it's just sort of Francine and Martha. the only 755 00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:08.099 thing you get to see. 756 00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:11.099 I will say something about the timings in this episode. 757 00:34:11.159 --> 00:34:13.920 It's not 42. not 22 minutes, is it? 758 00:34:13.980 --> 00:34:15.059 doesn't it start like that? 759 00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:16.320 It starts out pretty well. 760 00:34:16.380 --> 00:34:21.840 So our 1st time call is 4227 and our next time call just after the 761 00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:24.659 opening credits is about 10 seconds out at 4026. 762 00:34:24.900 --> 00:34:28.139 After that, all the remaining time calls are about 4 minutes out. 763 00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:29.820 And I was trying to figure out why that was. 764 00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:34.079 And then I discovered, so where we get the opening credits, with 765 00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:37.500 that pullout shot of the ship falling into the sun, which was to 766 00:34:37.500 --> 00:34:40.500 date the longest special effect sequence the mill had done. 767 00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:41.159 Wow. 768 00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:44.760 That wasn't originally the crash into the title. 769 00:34:44.820 --> 00:34:47.460 So crash into the titles came later in that scene where Martha 770 00:34:47.460 --> 00:34:50.039 says, we're stuck here. and that's why you get a big close-up of 771 00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:52.920 Freeman saying that line. and she's doing cliffhanger acting. 772 00:34:52.980 --> 00:34:53.460 Right, right. 773 00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:57.000 Because then the next time call after that is the one that's 4 774 00:34:57.000 --> 00:34:57.420 minutes out. 775 00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:00.239 So the idea is during the titles, we lose 4 minutes. 776 00:35:00.300 --> 00:35:01.019 Okay. 777 00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:03.300 Then are we then consistently 4 minutes out? 778 00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:04.920 It's then consistently 4 minutes out. 779 00:35:04.980 --> 00:35:09.119 But I think they're aware of this because I started a timer when 780 00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:10.800 the computer said 4227. 781 00:35:11.699 --> 00:35:14.039 They do here at FTE. 782 00:35:14.099 --> 00:35:18.480 And it went off as Francine was watching the sinister woman leave 783 00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:22.440 her house and the music goes into the next time trailer. 784 00:35:22.500 --> 00:35:26.699 So there is an element in there that is at least 4227. 785 00:35:26.940 --> 00:35:29.340 Because I was going to bitterly complain about that. 786 00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:32.340 It would have been better had it actually been properly, you know 787 00:35:32.340 --> 00:35:32.699 42. 788 00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:34.800 But it's good investigative work. 789 00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:35.519 Thank you for that. 790 00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:37.079 So we don't have to. 791 00:35:37.139 --> 00:35:40.619 It's something I always do when there's like a countdown in a 792 00:35:40.619 --> 00:35:40.860 movie. 793 00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:42.420 It's like we've got 10 minutes to do this. 794 00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:45.659 It's like, yeah, and in 15 minutes time, it'll be at 5 seconds. 795 00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:50.519 Can I just praise Freemur again for her screams in this episode? 796 00:35:50.579 --> 00:35:54.719 I think her screaming is just fantastic when she's in the pod and 797 00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:58.139 she's, you know, in dire deadly danger. 798 00:35:58.260 --> 00:36:01.980 Yeah, because there's one she does where she sees Corwin and it's 799 00:36:01.980 --> 00:36:03.239 not a scream of terror. 800 00:36:03.300 --> 00:36:06.000 It's a scream of, if I could get my hands on you, I would take you 801 00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:06.360 apart. 802 00:36:06.420 --> 00:36:09.360 Which you just can't imagine Billy doing. 803 00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:11.340 Oh I don't know. 804 00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:13.079 Well, maybe with her teeth. 805 00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:22.260 One more thing I will say is this completes a sort of trilogy of 806 00:36:22.260 --> 00:36:24.539 very filmmically based stories. 807 00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:28.920 So Daleks in Manhattan, that two-parter, very Frankenstein, very 808 00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:31.079 30s universal horror. 809 00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:34.559 Last week, as I said, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Flied. 810 00:36:35.099 --> 00:36:37.260 This week... 811 00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:38.820 The Carl Emley films. 812 00:36:38.820 --> 00:36:44.579 And of course, there was also Berkeley and 42nd Street, and Daleks 813 00:36:44.579 --> 00:36:47.760 and Manhattan is every great New York film from that period that I 814 00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:48.119 love. 815 00:36:48.179 --> 00:36:49.260 Yeah, you're right. 816 00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:51.420 We're seeing an homage to 30s drama. 817 00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:55.800 Yeah, and this is, as you said, Richard Solaris, it's forbidden 818 00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:56.159 Planet. 819 00:36:56.219 --> 00:37:01.199 And also alien, very obviously, with the arena comparison I 820 00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:01.559 mentioned. 821 00:37:01.619 --> 00:37:07.440 But I think of the three, this uses its references without 822 00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:09.360 directly copying them the best. 823 00:37:09.420 --> 00:37:12.360 This isn't, hey, remember Frankenstein? 824 00:37:12.420 --> 00:37:14.579 Well, here's a guy with some tentacles on his face. 825 00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:17.940 This is if you know... 826 00:37:18.059 --> 00:37:19.019 We hope they tend to go. 827 00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:19.500 Yeah. 828 00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:22.739 This is, it's like, if you know alien, and you know that scene 829 00:37:22.739 --> 00:37:28.980 where Veronica Cartwright is attacked by the alien, then arenas 830 00:37:28.980 --> 00:37:33.300 attack from the sun monster has resonance, but you don't need it 831 00:37:33.300 --> 00:37:34.500 to understand it. 832 00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:40.679 Because I remember in 2007, Todd, watching Daleks in Manhattan, an 833 00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:42.179 evolution of the Daleks at your place. 834 00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:45.719 And why do I have that memory of these things? 835 00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:46.920 There was lots of champagne. 836 00:37:46.980 --> 00:37:48.480 And I seem to record time. 837 00:37:48.539 --> 00:37:51.360 You really, really hated like human sick. 838 00:37:51.420 --> 00:37:53.340 You thought it was so ridiculous. 839 00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:55.380 And someone said, oh, but it's Frankenstein's monster. and you 840 00:37:55.380 --> 00:37:56.460 went, oh, right, fine. 841 00:37:56.519 --> 00:37:57.719 But that's the thing. 842 00:37:57.780 --> 00:38:00.179 You need to get that reference to fully appreciate the character. 843 00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:02.940 And in this one, I don't think you need the references to 844 00:38:02.940 --> 00:38:05.280 appreciate it that gives you a deeper understanding. 845 00:38:05.340 --> 00:38:07.559 A lot of these film references. 846 00:38:07.619 --> 00:38:09.539 Go totally over the top of my head. 847 00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:11.820 I like the concept of Dalek Zec now. 848 00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:15.780 Like, I still think performance wise, but I bought into that plot 849 00:38:15.780 --> 00:38:16.320 a lot more. 850 00:38:16.380 --> 00:38:19.320 What you're saying should be a real strength to this episode. 851 00:38:19.380 --> 00:38:21.360 I don't know whether it is. 852 00:38:21.420 --> 00:38:22.920 Yeah, it doesn't quite lame. 853 00:38:22.980 --> 00:38:27.239 In fact, the fact that it's the same aesthetic as alien, it's all 854 00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:31.260 sort of just terribly familiar, you know, that does operate as 855 00:38:31.260 --> 00:38:35.579 shorthand, we know where we are, but it does mean that just the 856 00:38:35.579 --> 00:38:38.519 concepts are just a bit retread, you know, like it's all stuff 857 00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:40.380 that we've seen a lot of times before. 858 00:38:40.739 --> 00:38:42.360 Oh, dear. 859 00:38:42.420 --> 00:38:46.320 I'm looking at that painting above Brendan and Todd, and it pretty 860 00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:51.900 much is the artwork for this episode, the burning sun with the 861 00:38:51.900 --> 00:38:55.500 little tiny little astronauts. tiny little actors that we'll never 862 00:38:55.500 --> 00:38:57.239 see again plummeting into... 863 00:38:57.239 --> 00:39:00.119 I'm getting into the solar sphere. 864 00:39:00.659 --> 00:39:04.320 I really want to say something good and I've been struggling all 865 00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:05.039 the way through this. 866 00:39:05.099 --> 00:39:08.159 I think it's, I think it does what it sets out to do 867 00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:09.360 successfully. 868 00:39:09.420 --> 00:39:10.679 It's entertaining. 869 00:39:10.739 --> 00:39:14.880 I wasn't uninterested watching it, but my heart's not there. 870 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:15.659 I'm sorry. 871 00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:41.820 Well, they listener, that's all we have time for this week. 872 00:39:41.880 --> 00:39:45.360 We'll be back next week to visit an old friend, as the doctor gets 873 00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:47.639 his Superman 2 on, in human nature. 874 00:39:48.300 --> 00:39:51.840 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts 875 00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:54.179 and you can keep up with us at Flightthrough Entirety on Facebook 876 00:39:54.179 --> 00:39:59.159 at FTE podcast on Twitter and on our website, FlightthroughEntirety 877 00:39:57.659 --> 00:40:02.460 com, where you'll find links to our 2 other podcasts, Bondfinger 878 00:40:02.460 --> 00:40:04.019 and Jody into Tara. 879 00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:07.739 Until next time, thanks for all your doing, dear listener, Mr 880 00:40:07.739 --> 00:40:09.179 Saxon will be very grateful. 881 00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:11.760 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 882 00:40:11.820 --> 00:40:12.480 Good night. 883 00:40:12.539 --> 00:40:14.159 See you soon. frying. 884 00:40:17.219 --> 00:40:19.920 That was Flight for Entirety, starring Todd Beelby, Nathan 885 00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:21.900 Bottleby, Brendan, Jones, and Richard Stone. 886 00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:24.780 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, strings performance by Jane 887 00:40:24.780 --> 00:40:25.679 Orberg. 888 00:40:25.739 --> 00:40:29.340 This episode, I believe Beryl Reed is afraid to captain, was 889 00:40:29.340 --> 00:40:33.179 recorded on the 1st of September 2019 and released on the 27th of 890 00:40:33.179 --> 00:40:33.659 October. 891 00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:37.800 Other things that you might plunge into from a great height in a 892 00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:41.159 Chris Chipnell episode include the Earth, a pit leading into the 893 00:40:41.159 --> 00:40:45.599 centre of the Earth, an enormous CG demon, the Earth again, a 894 00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:49.019 dinosaur, and a disused building site just across the road from 895 00:40:49.019 --> 00:40:50.400 Tim Shaw's dentist. 896 00:40:50.460 --> 00:40:54.719 And today is the 1st of September. 897 00:40:54.780 --> 00:40:59.940 And we are going to go for 42 minutes, exactly is the plan. 898 00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:02.219 So not the actual raw recording. 899 00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:06.059 We'll go a bit longer than that, but let's get started as quick as 900 00:41:06.059 --> 00:41:06.719 we possibly can. 901 00:41:06.780 --> 00:41:09.360 I've got nothing about this one, by the way. 902 00:41:09.420 --> 00:41:10.199 I've got a few things. 903 00:41:10.260 --> 00:41:11.820 But it's not about them. about other things. 904 00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:12.420 Yeah good. 905 00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:13.139 Oh, yeah. 906 00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:16.739 So the commentary is Rusty T ladies and Chris Chinball. 907 00:41:18.179 --> 00:41:20.039 Calvin, are you going? 908 00:41:21.420 --> 00:41:23.280 42 minutes. 909 00:41:23.820 --> 00:41:25.739 Yeah, we're starting now. 910 00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:28.559 Do you want me to pull across the thing? 911 00:41:28.619 --> 00:41:29.760 No, the dogs won't come. 912 00:41:29.820 --> 00:41:30.900 They'll be outside. 913 00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:32.460 I like we've got the sunny room. 914 00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:33.420 Yeah, yeah. 915 00:41:34.500 --> 00:41:35.460 Because he's going to not be. 916 00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:36.539 Yeah, because he's not going to be here. 917 00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:39.059 Sir, not appearing in this. 918 00:41:39.059 --> 00:41:41.400 They all look pretty up there. 919 00:41:41.460 --> 00:41:42.780 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 920 00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:45.420 I haven't really sort of arranged them or anything. 921 00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:46.739 They're not even... 922 00:41:46.739 --> 00:41:47.039 I know. 923 00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:48.000 A logical order. 924 00:41:48.059 --> 00:41:49.079 Look at that moment there. 925 00:41:49.619 --> 00:41:54.480 One, like 10, 12, 19 and 18. 926 00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:57.780 I think the most phones are having inner apoplexy just 927 00:41:57.780 --> 00:41:59.880 contemplates upsetting on that show.