WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 14:27:07 1 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:45.899 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight through Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast that comes to you free with its very own tiresome and repetitive catchphrase, and we're doing it now. 2 00:00:45.960 --> 00:00:47.219 I'm Nathan. 3 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:48.060 I'm Brendan. 4 00:00:48.119 --> 00:00:48.840 I'm Todd. 5 00:00:48.899 --> 00:00:53.159 I'm a resprayed welding helmet and a resprayed plot for this. 6 00:00:54.000 --> 00:00:57.780 Well, the doctor has finally decided to take on Martha full-time. 7 00:00:57.840 --> 00:01:03.060 So 1st stop, plummeting headlong into a blazing sun to the soundtrack of one of Chris Chibnell's countdowns. 8 00:01:03.119 --> 00:01:05.640 Time to pull out the Pizbooee, everyone. 9 00:01:05.700 --> 00:01:06.480 It's 42. 10 00:01:23.340 --> 00:01:25.019 Or is it? 11 00:01:25.140 --> 00:01:28.560 I can't believe we're up to the Saranga conundrum already. 12 00:01:28.620 --> 00:01:29.939 Exactly. 13 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:31.859 Oh, dear. 14 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:32.879 No, I like this one. 15 00:01:32.939 --> 00:01:34.140 This should be a wonderful show. 16 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:36.420 Well, I see, it is a triptych, isn't it? 17 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:37.859 It is a sequel to Satan Pit. 18 00:01:37.920 --> 00:01:38.519 Yeah. 19 00:01:38.579 --> 00:01:40.260 It's only got the same cozzies. 20 00:01:40.260 --> 00:01:42.959 And the same sort of crew and stylising. 21 00:01:43.019 --> 00:01:45.900 Yes, but you don't know a single one of these people's names. 22 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:55.079 Like, I just go through and I go, right, we've got the captain, we've got burn with me, we've got the old engineer, we've got the young engineer, we've got the medic, we've got Martha's love interest in the 2nd in command. 23 00:01:55.140 --> 00:01:55.920 And I don't know. 24 00:01:56.640 --> 00:01:57.659 I don't know any of their names. 25 00:01:57.719 --> 00:01:59.219 No, we don't do it. 26 00:01:59.280 --> 00:01:59.819 Okay. 27 00:01:59.879 --> 00:02:04.439 Um, Captain McDonald, um, Riley Vashti. 28 00:02:04.859 --> 00:02:08.939 Abby, who is Rosa Parks. 29 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:10.259 The MRI machine. 30 00:02:10.319 --> 00:02:12.539 The MRI machine from Smith and Jones. 31 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:14.699 Scammel. 32 00:02:14.759 --> 00:02:15.479 Scammel. 33 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:16.560 Scam Scammel. 34 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:19.379 Scamel, Scamel's the one who... 35 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:21.180 The doctor's like, oh, you're so negative. 36 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:21.780 Sorry. 37 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:23.039 Sorry, that was Billy Piper. 38 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:24.120 You're so negative. 39 00:02:24.180 --> 00:02:24.840 There we are. 40 00:02:24.900 --> 00:02:25.740 That's David Tennant. 41 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:28.860 Oh, I forget the name of the bald daddy, and that's my thing. 42 00:02:29.219 --> 00:02:30.960 You, darling. 43 00:02:31.020 --> 00:02:41.340 And Hal Corwin, and Veronica Cartwright in Alien as Arena, the engineering sort of... 44 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:51.120 But no, this is, in terms of production, definitely set in the same time period as the impossible Satan Pitt of Gabriel Wolf. 45 00:02:51.180 --> 00:02:57.840 Well, I just think that that story set the kind of aesthetic for the gritty near future. 46 00:02:57.900 --> 00:03:02.159 You've got a couple of different types of futures in the RTD era. 47 00:03:02.219 --> 00:03:07.080 One is the sort of comedy future of New Earth or the end of the world. 48 00:03:07.139 --> 00:03:10.740 But this sort of gritty space pioneer future. 49 00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:18.120 I mean, it's a similar aesthetic, I think, probably to Waters of Mars, much later, even though that set a great deal earlier. 50 00:03:18.240 --> 00:03:21.840 But what you have is the sort of fantastic Graham Harper direction. 51 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:23.939 It gives it a sense of urgency. 52 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:35.340 Well, this is why filming in real time. should create an enormous amount of interest and immediacy in caring for your characters and the situation in which they are placed. 53 00:03:35.400 --> 00:03:37.919 I actually think, though, that it doesn't quite work. 54 00:03:37.979 --> 00:03:43.379 Because there is still a lot of standing around and talking cheaply in corridors. 55 00:03:43.379 --> 00:03:55.740 And we have got this countdown that is basically the name of the episode and kind of the episode's gimmick, but it doesn't really kind of lean into the gimmick quite enough. 56 00:03:55.800 --> 00:04:02.699 And for me, the countdown just ends up being a sort of cheap way of creating drama. 57 00:04:02.759 --> 00:04:17.519 And it's something that we'll go on to talk about because in, I think the Silurian 2 Padre in series 5, I think there's no less than 3 occasions where they're racing against the clock to do something. 58 00:04:17.579 --> 00:04:19.379 And here. 59 00:04:19.439 --> 00:04:22.319 It is a little bit too leisurely at times, I think. 60 00:04:22.920 --> 00:04:37.139 Look, the other thing is too, like there's this problem set up at the beginning, at the very beginning, we've got to get through these doors in this sort of stupid way to get to the flight deck. 61 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:40.620 Oh, sorry, I was just listening to what you were saying. 62 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:41.160 Yes, doors. 63 00:04:41.220 --> 00:04:41.519 Sorry. 64 00:04:41.579 --> 00:04:43.560 And it turns out we just do that. 65 00:04:43.620 --> 00:04:45.360 You know, like it's impossible. 66 00:04:45.420 --> 00:04:46.920 You know, we're racing against time. 67 00:04:46.980 --> 00:04:48.120 We've got all of these doors. 68 00:04:48.180 --> 00:04:51.420 We've got less than a minute per door, but we just managed to get through. 69 00:04:51.480 --> 00:04:52.379 It work? 70 00:04:52.439 --> 00:04:52.860 No. 71 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:56.220 I feel like an episode of Torchwood? 72 00:04:56.279 --> 00:04:58.980 But some of these questions are just so unreal. 73 00:04:59.040 --> 00:05:11.399 Like, I mean, the whole Elvis thing, you know, I mean, I may as well, like, throw out a thing saying, you know, what's the name of the banana arm single that made it to number one in the United States and Australia, but only got to number 8 in the UK. 74 00:05:11.459 --> 00:05:12.540 What is it? 75 00:05:12.660 --> 00:05:14.040 Venus in furs? 76 00:05:14.100 --> 00:05:14.579 I don't. 77 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:15.540 You are correct. 78 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:18.540 The end of this episode will give you the answer. 79 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:19.680 The answer is Venus. 80 00:05:20.459 --> 00:05:22.620 Well done, suppose Aussies. 81 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:25.620 Aussie, Aussie, Aussie, oi, oi, oi. 7 weeks at number one. 82 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:27.540 It does feel a bit of revision, doesn't it? 83 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:31.620 And that we throw a lot of things in or Britain's got talent and just hope it'll all work out. 84 00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:37.980 But I think that's another nod to Douglas Adams and trying to get that uppity spiky. 85 00:05:38.040 --> 00:05:42.540 I know, it'll be lots of fun, like Eric Sabo did with his very recent Dalek novelisation. 86 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:46.439 If we just throw in crap that is entirely irrelevant to the plot. 87 00:05:46.500 --> 00:05:48.240 I mean, it's trying to be Doctor Who. 88 00:05:48.300 --> 00:05:51.540 It's trying to do something that only Doctor Who would do in this contest. 89 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:54.240 It's made it organic and tied it back into the plot. 90 00:05:54.300 --> 00:05:58.019 You might argue not always successfully, but he did, and we don't actually have that here. 91 00:05:58.079 --> 00:05:59.819 I wanted Elvis to turn up at the end. 92 00:05:59.939 --> 00:06:02.939 I wanted Elvis to be in the shining heart of the sun. 93 00:06:04.860 --> 00:06:08.879 I mean, the one listening to his Monty Python albums. 94 00:06:08.939 --> 00:06:11.879 You know, he was a massive Monty Python fan before he died. 95 00:06:11.939 --> 00:06:16.379 And Elvis was used to do Neil Innis impersonations. 96 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:22.259 So there are very few British comedians that can say Elvis did impersonations of me, but No, he's a very naughty boy. 97 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:25.319 Elvis used to do that all the time when he died. 98 00:06:25.379 --> 00:06:27.480 And for a little while after, I think. 99 00:06:27.540 --> 00:06:28.019 Probably. 100 00:06:28.379 --> 00:06:37.259 So that does at least. allow us the perhaps the saving grace for the episode is the involvement of Francine. 101 00:06:40.740 --> 00:06:45.779 Look, I like those scenes, but I think you're all being needlessly harsh. 102 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:51.120 I said during the week on Twitter, someone asked me my least favourite episode of Series 11. 103 00:06:51.300 --> 00:06:55.019 I said it was Saranga conundrum because it's aggressively mediocre. 104 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:58.860 And, you know, it should be airport 77. 105 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:02.040 It should be the Poseidon adventure, but it's more super trained. 106 00:07:02.100 --> 00:07:05.459 This is like full-blown Poseidon adventure. 107 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:08.579 And I think it is partially down to Graham Harper's direction. 108 00:07:08.699 --> 00:07:12.240 But for me, the heart of the episode is actually Freema. 109 00:07:12.300 --> 00:07:12.959 Martha. 110 00:07:13.019 --> 00:07:14.399 Well, yeah, I think so. 111 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:15.060 This one who sells it. 112 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:15.779 Yeah. 113 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:17.220 In her hot tub moment. 114 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:20.100 She's locked in the solarium with a new man. 115 00:07:20.220 --> 00:07:22.439 I have to agree with you on that. 116 00:07:22.500 --> 00:07:24.720 I've not been here since episode one. 117 00:07:24.779 --> 00:07:28.019 And if you can just indulge me for a moment. 118 00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:37.740 When I watched this series originally, at this point, we'd come off 3 episodes that I hadn't particularly liked, the Dalek episodes, which I thought just the pants. 119 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:41.279 I was so over Martha being in love with the doctor. 120 00:07:41.339 --> 00:07:44.579 I thought Freeman was just giving a Freeman blank face. 121 00:07:44.639 --> 00:07:48.000 The mother did the slap in the previous episode. 122 00:07:48.060 --> 00:07:49.439 So I was already against her. 123 00:07:49.500 --> 00:07:53.399 So when she sort of says, why are you cheating at trivia? 124 00:07:53.459 --> 00:07:55.920 I just wanted to, you know, just push her to one side. 125 00:07:55.980 --> 00:08:10.139 So I thought it was okay, but I really liked all the stuff we've just talked about in terms of the whole Poseidon adventure thing, but the whole subplot with Martha, which I perceived was like, I couldn't care less, just put her in subplot. 126 00:08:10.199 --> 00:08:11.160 I don't really want to know about it. 127 00:08:11.220 --> 00:08:12.060 That's what I was thinking. 128 00:08:12.120 --> 00:08:13.379 But I still quite liked the episode. 129 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:24.779 Well, I've obviously been rewatching this, and 12 years later, it's the Martha plot that I absolutely adore, and it's the other plot that I think is, hmm, pants. 130 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:35.039 I've done a big flip because when I started this season, as you all know out there, I wanted to investigate what I thought of Freema and Mum and the whole plot. 131 00:08:35.100 --> 00:08:39.840 And I think that Freema is just the best. 132 00:08:39.899 --> 00:08:40.980 They're Anne's pants. 133 00:08:41.100 --> 00:08:49.980 She has just got this heart and soul and this strength and this sass and it's her story throughout all these episodes that I'm really invested in and I'm invested in this. 134 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:52.860 I really like the 1st 3 episodes of the season. 135 00:08:52.860 --> 00:08:57.659 And last week's episode, the Lazarus experiment has just grown on me so much. 136 00:08:57.720 --> 00:08:58.379 It's so much fun. 137 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:00.600 I mean, I give it like 7.8 out of 10. 138 00:09:01.620 --> 00:09:04.559 Almost an eight, almost an eight. 139 00:09:04.620 --> 00:09:05.759 No, I really, really enjoyed it. 140 00:09:05.820 --> 00:09:06.899 I really enjoyed it. 141 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:14.039 It is a series of unfortunate events, which culminates in the slap, which I don't really think pays off, but I understand where they're coming from. 142 00:09:14.100 --> 00:09:20.399 I also understand like last week, Martha's only been with the doctor for a week or so, so I understand that she's still in love with him. 143 00:09:20.460 --> 00:09:21.120 So I get all that. 144 00:09:21.179 --> 00:09:24.000 I think the Dalek 2 parter weighs everything down. 145 00:09:24.059 --> 00:09:25.980 The construction of that having to be 2 parts. 146 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:32.820 I think it would have been better to cuddle the fat and make that one part and have one episode, put in an episode before that with Martha's mum. 147 00:09:32.820 --> 00:09:38.039 So you could have a series of unfortunate events and then have the slap in last week's episode just to build that up a bit more. 148 00:09:38.100 --> 00:09:39.539 But I totally get where they're coming from. 149 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:41.700 And now that I'm older watching it as well. 150 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:48.120 I've got female friends who are mothers and they would totally say to their kids, why are you cheating at a pub trivia thing? 151 00:09:48.179 --> 00:09:51.899 So I actually was really liking that. 152 00:09:51.960 --> 00:09:56.159 So I can't believe I'm saying this, but Martha's mother is okay. 153 00:09:56.220 --> 00:09:58.259 I understand where she's coming from. 154 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:03.659 Framer is just the best thing and that whole, I'm just enjoying her so much at this point. 155 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:11.700 And it's really great that last week and this week, we don't really focus on Martha being in love with the doctor, but she loves the doctor and there's that underlying love and I like that more. 156 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:13.139 So there you go. where I'm at. 157 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:13.440 Thank you. 158 00:10:13.500 --> 00:10:20.279 I also think that there's a sort of attempt to apologise for how horrible the doctor's been to Martha up till now. 159 00:10:20.340 --> 00:10:26.399 And so here we have the doctor really genuinely concerned about Martha and trying to rescue her. 160 00:10:26.460 --> 00:10:28.019 We have her faith in him. 161 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:39.720 She's absolutely confident that he is going to be able to rescue her, even when they're sort of plummeting an implausibly long distance away from the Pentalion, she still believes in him. 162 00:10:39.779 --> 00:10:51.539 And then you've got the doctor trusting her, which prefigures what we're going to get next week when the doctor is overcome by this rather sort of unimpressive adversary. 163 00:10:51.600 --> 00:10:56.820 He absolutely trusts her to look after him in that situation. 164 00:10:56.879 --> 00:11:04.139 And so there is a bit of an attempt here and last week, I think, to kind of repair the relationship between the 2 of them. 165 00:11:04.379 --> 00:11:09.120 The scene where she puts him in the MRI machine and she's taking the temperature down. 166 00:11:09.179 --> 00:11:16.379 That is properly disturbing and not to take anything away from David Tennant, who plays the agony of it very well. 167 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:20.580 And he, you know, he is doing his teeth gnashing thing, but I think it's actually appropriate for once. 168 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:22.799 It's Freema who sells that scene. 169 00:11:22.860 --> 00:11:25.620 It's the pain on her face having to put him through this. 170 00:11:25.679 --> 00:11:31.620 And there's just this little bit and you almost can't hear it as he's screaming. you cut back to Martha and she just says, yeah. 171 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:33.480 She's like yeah, I know. 172 00:11:33.539 --> 00:11:41.460 I actually weld up watching that this week, just because the whole romance potline we've talked about before. 173 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:42.360 We'll talk about it again. 174 00:11:42.419 --> 00:11:44.159 But there are times that it works. 175 00:11:44.159 --> 00:11:54.659 And when it works is when it's not just a teenage crush when it's clearly a deep, if quick forming affection. 176 00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:57.419 And that is one of those scenes when they're trusting each other. 177 00:11:57.480 --> 00:12:04.139 And when he, when he's screaming through the glass, I'll save you and you can't hear him. it's good, isn't it? 178 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:04.919 What a moment. 179 00:12:04.980 --> 00:12:06.480 Like, there's no sound. 180 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:10.919 It's just, I wrote that down in my notes, Brendan, totally agree with you. such a moment. 181 00:12:10.980 --> 00:12:13.860 I actually like what's happening with Riley there too. 182 00:12:13.980 --> 00:12:16.559 Because, I mean, they're both attractive young persons. 183 00:12:17.220 --> 00:12:22.500 And they very quickly bond because they think they're going to die together. 184 00:12:22.620 --> 00:12:25.559 He's the one who encourages her to ring her mother. 185 00:12:25.620 --> 00:12:29.220 There's that little bit of physical affection between them as well. 186 00:12:29.279 --> 00:12:34.919 Yeah, because they're going to, you know, get it on later because there isn't going to be a later at this point. 187 00:12:34.980 --> 00:12:40.259 But just the desire to be held, you know, one last time by someone. 188 00:12:40.379 --> 00:12:44.039 And for me, that's the best bit of the episode as well, Tom. 189 00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:45.600 I think that whole plot. 190 00:12:45.659 --> 00:12:51.539 Nathan, in that pod, you know, when she stops worrying about herself and ask questions of him. 191 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:53.580 It's just a brilliant, brilliant moment. 192 00:12:53.639 --> 00:13:00.779 And even with her theme that runs over all that when she's talking to her mom and just, I mean, I overcame with emotion. 193 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:09.419 I cannot stress enough how much Martha and Freeman in this episode is the heart of the episode and what is really the biggest strength. 194 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:14.940 You know, all this other plot stuff, like, it's so generic. 195 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:17.460 It's so incredibly unambitious. 196 00:13:17.580 --> 00:13:19.980 I'm shaking my fist at this point. 197 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:28.799 The more you see showrunners that are going to come into the show, like the more you see their stuff now or in the future, then you look back and you can see how they construct things. 198 00:13:28.860 --> 00:13:33.059 The whole magnetising of the hull business, you know, to bring them back. 199 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:34.200 Like, where did that come from? 200 00:13:34.259 --> 00:13:43.919 Like, I just kind of went, you've just pulled this out of your butt to sort of, you know, so that we don't, and where do we put the controls for remagnetizing the thing? 201 00:13:43.980 --> 00:13:46.019 Obviously on the outside of the spaceship? 202 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:46.799 Where else would they go? 203 00:13:46.860 --> 00:13:48.480 Don't do that in frontier in space. 204 00:13:48.539 --> 00:13:49.019 Yes. 205 00:13:49.080 --> 00:13:53.519 Okay, I'll tell you where that comes from because this is part of block seven, shot with utopia. 206 00:13:53.580 --> 00:13:55.019 This is the cheapie. 207 00:13:55.080 --> 00:14:06.299 This is where the money ran out because originally, right, with the ship falling into the sun, the artificial gravity was going to be haywire, and so the whole thing, everyone would have been literally pushing uphill, but they couldn't afford to build a tilted set. 208 00:14:06.360 --> 00:14:07.200 Right, right. 209 00:14:07.259 --> 00:14:12.299 And also the doctor was going to do a spacewalk along the outside of the ship. couldn't afford to do that. 210 00:14:12.360 --> 00:14:16.379 So it literally becomes, and this was Russell's note to Chris. 211 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:19.500 Make it a lever on the outside of the ship he can't quite reach. 212 00:14:19.559 --> 00:14:25.379 So the whole ship is plagued is plagued within inconveniently placed controls. 213 00:14:25.440 --> 00:14:26.639 Do you know what I mean? 214 00:14:26.700 --> 00:14:34.019 Like, if they'd had backup controls for restarting the engine somewhere else, like in engineering, there are engines. 215 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:36.600 This isn't an unused terry nation. 216 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:43.679 But last week had a series of unfortunate events with Martha's mum leading up to the slap. 217 00:14:43.740 --> 00:14:47.879 This week we've just got a series of unfortunate events, the actual writing. 218 00:14:47.940 --> 00:14:49.440 Oh, it's terrible. 219 00:14:49.500 --> 00:14:57.600 And you've got the masked person doing a catchphrase, which is just borrowed from the empty child, the doctor dances. 220 00:14:57.600 --> 00:15:00.179 Yeah, yeah. 221 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:03.480 I mean, it is it's as generic as possible, man. 222 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:08.039 The point with real time and what Todd did, you know, I totally agree with you. 223 00:15:08.100 --> 00:15:20.759 And what you're saying is the plotting, in fact, the scripting ought to be irrelevant because with direction and with real time, think back to films like Run, Law, or Run, or I'm trying to think of other ones. 224 00:15:20.820 --> 00:15:25.259 My favourite one came out the same year as Doctor Strangelove in 64. 225 00:15:25.259 --> 00:15:27.059 Fail Safe. 226 00:15:27.120 --> 00:15:29.399 Sidney Lumet with Henry Fonda. 227 00:15:29.460 --> 00:15:35.460 He also did dog day afternoon in 1975 that I remember as a little boy with other people. 228 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:37.320 That was the same story. 229 00:15:37.379 --> 00:15:46.980 The setup is probably the most famous one, Robert Wise, who gave us Star Trek, the Motionless Picture, and Sound of Music, Sound of Music, and a vacuum, yes, which we were enjoying here. 230 00:15:47.039 --> 00:15:56.460 United 93, if you ever saw that, that came out in 2006 about the 911 planes, which I weirdly saw in a theatre with John Waters, but that's for another time. 231 00:15:56.519 --> 00:15:57.899 I really did. 232 00:15:57.960 --> 00:16:02.759 Are all wonderful films and they show that all you need to do. 233 00:16:02.820 --> 00:16:08.159 All a writer needs to do is just give absolute truthful narrative. 234 00:16:08.220 --> 00:16:10.200 You don't throw in quirky things. 235 00:16:10.259 --> 00:16:11.100 You're not cheeky. 236 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:12.720 You just tell it for real. 237 00:16:12.840 --> 00:16:16.559 And the pacing and marvellous direction will do the rest for you. 238 00:16:16.620 --> 00:16:23.460 And this is also beautifully lit, and this also does have great atmospherics. you can see it's cheap, but all the rest of it. 239 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:25.200 And yet, it's not popular. 240 00:16:25.259 --> 00:16:27.240 We're not liking this show. 241 00:16:27.299 --> 00:16:29.940 And yet, I'm saying we've got a perfect director. 242 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:33.659 We actually have a script that doesn't really do too much. 243 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:37.019 So why are we all feeling somewhat dispassionate about this? 244 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:39.899 Well, Richard, I think it comes for me. 245 00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:41.700 Like, if you look at classic Doctor Who, yes. 246 00:16:41.759 --> 00:17:01.919 We have other stories that have a series of impossible things, but through performance or witty dialogue or things that are honest and appear truthful and organic, we buy into it, whereas here, none of the performances personally stand out, especially the captain who, I think, needs to really be the heart and the soul of this, like she is at the crux of it, but I just think she's very by the numbers. 247 00:17:01.980 --> 00:17:07.140 I refer back to cyberdad and coronation dad from last season. 248 00:17:07.259 --> 00:17:10.319 She's as good as them, which is, for me, not great. 249 00:17:10.380 --> 00:17:14.339 Soap actors have worked so far in this because she's in EastEnders, isn't she? 250 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:15.059 Yes, yeah. 251 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:15.660 Michelle Collins. 252 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:17.759 And I don't think she's very good at all. 253 00:17:17.819 --> 00:17:22.500 Like, yeah, I was watching it knowing that her performance isn't too popular. 254 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:27.839 I'm sure I'm sure Peter Griffiths would kill us if we didn't mention that he detests her performance in this. 255 00:17:27.900 --> 00:17:30.539 I think he's poisoned me against her. 256 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:33.599 This is his least favourite episode of the season. 257 00:17:33.660 --> 00:17:39.480 For me, though, I was watching her and I'm thinking, you're not, you're not giving a bad performance. 258 00:17:39.720 --> 00:17:45.240 But whereas I believe Beryl Reed as a freighter captain. 259 00:17:45.299 --> 00:17:46.200 Oh me too. 260 00:17:46.319 --> 00:17:47.819 I don't. the leather. 261 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:51.779 Yeah, Beryl Reed has this swagger and this bravado. 262 00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:53.940 I don't believe Michelle Collins in this role. 263 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:59.099 I believe that she is a woman whose husband has been horrifically transformed. 264 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:00.059 She sells that for me. 265 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:01.799 But not the captain part. 266 00:18:01.799 --> 00:18:03.299 But not the captain part. 267 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:04.920 See, for me, it's the other way around. 268 00:18:04.980 --> 00:18:11.700 I think that the shorthand that Chibnalls use to create the Corwin McDonald relationship is that they're married. 269 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:14.339 But we never, ever, ever see that. 270 00:18:14.519 --> 00:18:19.680 And so the 1st thing that we see of Corwin is him in the Sick Bay already having been infected. 271 00:18:19.740 --> 00:18:24.779 And so we don't get a scene of them bantering together before this happens. 272 00:18:24.839 --> 00:18:28.019 We don't see them interact in any way at all. 273 00:18:28.079 --> 00:18:38.759 And just telling us that they're married is in no way interesting enough, and in no way, a good way of establishing that they have an important relationship. 274 00:18:38.819 --> 00:18:47.039 And the way it ends with the 2 of them, you know, out the airlock together kind of dancing, that should be amazing. 275 00:18:47.099 --> 00:18:49.079 Whereas it's a relief. 276 00:18:49.140 --> 00:18:51.059 Yeah, it's zero. 277 00:18:51.180 --> 00:18:52.079 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 278 00:18:52.140 --> 00:19:03.900 And in Giblon's original script, she puts him out the airlock, but she survives and it was discussions between him and Russell and Julie Gardner, where they kind of said, well, no, she's got to go with him. 279 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:05.160 She's not coming back. 280 00:19:05.579 --> 00:19:27.539 But as you say, it doesn't mean that much because as an actress, Michelle Collins has had to do all the emotional lifting to create this relationship because he's not there because Matthew Chambers, I think, is the actor who plays cool when he has no chance to demonstrate his affection for this character. 281 00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:29.880 Yeah, so we don't see that at all. 282 00:19:29.940 --> 00:19:33.960 I just don't buy it So we know it's not the director because we've seen him be brilliant before. 283 00:19:34.019 --> 00:19:41.279 We know it's possibly not the actors because, you know, our agent provocateur has delivered on other levels during this script. 284 00:19:41.339 --> 00:19:45.599 She's given us warmth and real sense of, you know, heightened drama. 285 00:19:45.660 --> 00:19:54.420 And again, we know a good director and even an adequate actor can bring each other up to a very high pitch and make it work. 286 00:19:54.480 --> 00:19:58.200 So we're coming back to, oh, dear, Chiba's chunkies, aren't we? 287 00:19:58.259 --> 00:20:02.339 Look, I think Chippers will go on to do better than this before series 11. 288 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:07.259 But this is, you know, terrifyingly unambitious, I think. 289 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:12.180 I wanted to avoid doing that to tubers because it is so much the source du jour. 290 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:13.740 Yeah, yeah, yeah, this month. 291 00:20:13.799 --> 00:20:27.839 But, I mean, the other thing that I think is a massive mistake is, you know, every so often you'll get a Doctor Who monster that doesn't really seem to deserve the fear that the doctor shows in its presence. 292 00:20:27.900 --> 00:20:30.359 I'm thinking, say, about the crinoid. 293 00:20:30.420 --> 00:20:37.319 You know, Tom's playing it as if he's scared of the crinoid, even though it's just a sort of big ass vegetable. massive rubber mattress. 294 00:20:37.380 --> 00:20:38.519 That's right. 295 00:20:39.180 --> 00:20:42.059 And latex. 296 00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:42.779 Sorry. 297 00:20:42.839 --> 00:20:43.559 That's it. 298 00:20:43.619 --> 00:20:45.660 A mixture of latex foam and memory foam. 299 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:49.680 Well, Paul Sarah Jane had a latex allergy to try to protect her. 300 00:20:49.740 --> 00:20:51.599 For goodness sake, you're right. 301 00:20:51.660 --> 00:20:53.460 When we've got the biggest plot device of all time. 302 00:20:53.519 --> 00:20:56.039 We've got Stanis and our limbs, Solaris. 303 00:20:56.099 --> 00:20:57.059 Yeah, the sentient sun. 304 00:20:57.119 --> 00:21:02.880 Which is possibly the most extraordinary pricey for a film and a wonderful book and we talk about it all the time. 305 00:21:02.940 --> 00:21:07.019 This has got everything going for it on paper. but it just doesn't go anywhere. 306 00:21:07.079 --> 00:21:09.299 It's more like, you know, Croll. 307 00:21:09.359 --> 00:21:14.400 It's the biggest Doctor Who monster to date, but it ends up not being very interesting. 308 00:21:14.460 --> 00:21:17.339 And don't know how you can say such a thing. 309 00:21:17.400 --> 00:21:36.359 Getting tenant overcome by this and so making him gurn and gnash his teeth and yell and crawl down the corridors and throw himself about the set for like a 3rd of the episode is so not what I want to see at this point in his career as the doctor. 310 00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:38.400 I love that. 311 00:21:38.460 --> 00:21:40.380 Do you think he's enjoying it? 312 00:21:40.440 --> 00:21:42.180 Because he looks pretty miffed to me. 313 00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:44.400 Well, I'd be very surprised if he wasn't. 314 00:21:44.460 --> 00:21:58.140 I think it's like when you get, um, later than this, obviously, but the Sarah Jane adventures where she's overtaken by, I think it's Kudlak, and Liz Sladen gets to do her whole, I am evil, thank you. 315 00:21:58.200 --> 00:21:58.859 Oh, that's fun. 316 00:21:58.920 --> 00:22:06.720 But, I mean, if Tenant's not enjoying this, frankly, he shouldn't be playing the role because, you know, every doctor needs a good possession storyline. 317 00:22:06.779 --> 00:22:11.759 Yeah, it just makes him do all of the terrible things about his performance that I ate. 318 00:22:11.819 --> 00:22:13.019 Only dialled up to 11. 319 00:22:13.200 --> 00:22:14.220 But with an excuse. 320 00:22:14.279 --> 00:22:16.559 Yeah, I know. up to Matt Smith. 321 00:22:16.680 --> 00:22:19.319 Also, original script outline. 322 00:22:19.380 --> 00:22:20.640 Martha got possessed. 323 00:22:20.700 --> 00:22:22.559 I think that could have been more interesting. 324 00:22:22.619 --> 00:22:28.440 But the thing is, Russell said, we've had Martha kind of being pushed away by the doctor for 6 episodes. 325 00:22:28.500 --> 00:22:33.420 We need to give her something where she is more proactive. 326 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:36.960 And Russell's idea was demonstrate a new factor of their relationship. 327 00:22:37.019 --> 00:22:43.319 She's still in love with him, but she is now a full companion and she's got the super phone and she gets the key at the end of this episode. 328 00:22:43.380 --> 00:22:48.059 To be honest, if it had have been Martha being possessed. 329 00:22:48.119 --> 00:22:55.259 I would have been very disappointed just because, you know, last week she made herself bait for Professor Lazarus. 330 00:22:55.259 --> 00:23:04.859 And, you know, before that, she was being dragged off by the pig slaves and in gridlock, she gets dragged off into a car and in the Shakespeare coach, she gets knocked out by the witches. 331 00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:07.920 You know, this is the 1st time the doctor's the one incapacitated. 332 00:23:07.980 --> 00:23:09.900 And as you say it earlier, Nathan. 333 00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:13.559 It prefigures the fabulous two-parter we're going to have next week. 334 00:23:13.619 --> 00:23:16.799 When he dresses up as a cleaner in South Wales. 335 00:23:16.859 --> 00:23:18.180 Yes, yeah, yeah. 336 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:23.640 Yes, so join us for Doctor Who next week when Doctor and Martha look for a watch. 337 00:23:23.700 --> 00:23:25.920 Scintillating stuff here, BBC one. 338 00:23:25.980 --> 00:23:29.460 The doctor has obviously recovered from his heat strip. 339 00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:32.279 Very 50s radio, isn't it? 340 00:23:32.339 --> 00:23:35.099 Sorry, I'm just grasping at straws. 341 00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:39.359 So I run out of stuff to say for this episode except about Martha's mum, which I'll talk about shortly. 342 00:23:39.420 --> 00:23:40.559 Oh, and she's extraordinary. 343 00:23:40.619 --> 00:23:42.420 I think she's the best actor in the cast. 344 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:57.900 This is the 2nd episode in a row where one of Mr. Saxon's underlings is working to kind of recruit poor old Francine to kind of separate her from the doctor, do you think? 345 00:23:57.960 --> 00:24:00.240 Certainly to drive a wedge. 346 00:24:00.299 --> 00:24:00.660 Right. 347 00:24:00.660 --> 00:24:05.220 And not so much even to drive a wedge between Francine and the doctor because that's already been slapped into place. 348 00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:09.539 It's to drive a wedge between Martha and her family. 349 00:24:09.599 --> 00:24:10.680 Oh yeah. 350 00:24:10.740 --> 00:24:18.960 Yeah, so, you know, we will find out later that Saxon has employed Tish and now he's whispering in Francine's ear. 351 00:24:19.319 --> 00:24:22.140 It was meant to be, and I got this wrong last week. 352 00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:23.460 It wasn't sinister, man. 353 00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:24.299 Creepy man. 354 00:24:24.359 --> 00:24:25.680 Mysterious man. 355 00:24:25.740 --> 00:24:33.539 It was meant to be the mysterious man from the Lazarus experiment sitting behind Francine listening to the thing, but he was a late addition to the script. 356 00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:34.319 He wasn't available. 357 00:24:34.380 --> 00:24:36.180 So we get the sinister woman. 358 00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:36.960 Okay. 359 00:24:37.019 --> 00:24:38.640 And she'll be back. 360 00:24:38.700 --> 00:24:39.839 Yeah, she'll be back. 361 00:24:39.900 --> 00:25:02.460 But it is very interesting watching those scenes and now with hindsight and knowing what's to come, how they're progressing that plot and how you sort of, well, how I am a bit offput by the mum saying, oh, you know, you really don't like the doctor, you're in cahoots, but it all just takes a little bit of a turn at the end there where, you know, she's not going to tell, tell her who she voted for. 362 00:25:02.519 --> 00:25:06.359 And the look on her face at the end means that she's not entirely convinced that she's done the right thing. 363 00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:09.420 And for me, that's the redemption moment for her character. 364 00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:15.420 Yeah, I think not voting for Saxon is like that's particularly telling. 365 00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:21.420 And all of the Saxon stuff is being reused in British politics right now. 366 00:25:21.420 --> 00:25:24.779 Well, in British politics right now, but also in years and years as well. 367 00:25:24.839 --> 00:25:31.019 So it's hard to read Saxon as anything other than a kind of Emma Thompson. 368 00:25:31.079 --> 00:25:34.740 Yes, a proto-Emer Thompson, sort of pre-Vivian Rooks. 369 00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:40.319 So a sort of weird political outsider who's sort of populist. 370 00:25:40.380 --> 00:25:46.619 And so having Francine basically say that she didn't vote for him is pretty good. 371 00:25:46.680 --> 00:25:49.079 And so that means this is election day. 372 00:25:49.140 --> 00:26:02.640 And so all of the, uh, you know, the next few episodes will all take place like within a 24 hour period and then we arrive back on earth the day after that final scene of 42. 373 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:17.700 Yes, it's something that I never really picked up on, that it's all literally within like a week or whatever it happens to be, which fed into my dislike of the whole Martha in love with the doctor, plot line, just get over it, but I totally understand it and understand it now. 374 00:26:17.819 --> 00:26:33.059 And due to a quirk in broadcasting, there are about 21 novels with Martha set during this season as well because there's only a few with Catherine Tate because after what happens to Catherine Tate's character next year. 375 00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:38.220 Russell kind of went, oh, no, I don't want to do any more Donna novels because, you know, the ending was so powerful. 376 00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:46.079 Whereas with Martha, you get the novels from this year and you get the novels from before Catherine Tate becomes the assistant, the following year. 377 00:26:46.140 --> 00:26:46.500 Yeah. 378 00:26:46.740 --> 00:26:49.380 Yeah, Martha, it's kind of weird. 379 00:26:49.440 --> 00:27:03.720 Her story takes place over a week in terms of the show, but she has some of the greatest amount of media out there out of any new series companion. characters I really liked in this one. 380 00:27:03.779 --> 00:27:10.859 There is no one I dislike, but as your earlier saying, there's no one that really sticks in the memory, but rather the cruel. 381 00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:19.859 And even I find the doctor, as you say, the gurning, yes, it's right for it, but it seems like he's pushing an enormous amount of energy for very little return. 382 00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:24.900 Yeah, it's almost as if we're being pushed through a CVE, isn't it? 383 00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:28.980 and reexperiencing the 2nd law of thermodynamics. 384 00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:31.740 I wonder if I wonder what St. 385 00:27:31.740 --> 00:27:33.420 Bidmead would say about this one. 386 00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:35.880 Because it's got proper scien-y-ish. 387 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:38.460 It does feel a bit meaty, doesn't it? 388 00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:41.160 Except it's not... 389 00:27:42.180 --> 00:27:45.599 No, actually, I'm working this less now. 390 00:27:45.660 --> 00:27:47.279 I came in here saying it's about a seven. 391 00:27:47.339 --> 00:27:50.400 All the Martha stuff's great, but then the rest of that stuff is... 392 00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:51.059 Mother's good in it. 393 00:27:51.180 --> 00:27:52.559 It's not working for me. 394 00:27:52.619 --> 00:27:56.339 That doesn't happen very often. usually find something to celebrate. 395 00:27:56.400 --> 00:28:00.539 This is rivalling the Dalek 2 part of my least favourite episode of the season. 396 00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:01.259 We loved that. 397 00:28:01.319 --> 00:28:04.200 Yeah, yeah, it's more interesting than this. 398 00:28:04.259 --> 00:28:06.000 I mean, he has got better ideas. 399 00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:08.819 And I care about the characters in that one. 400 00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:09.539 That's the deal. 401 00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:11.759 I really care about everybody, yeah. 402 00:28:11.819 --> 00:28:15.180 I mean, we were talking about it earlier, Todd, before we started recording. 403 00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:21.359 And if you think about the Impossible Planet, which this is trying to be like, We know and love those characters. 404 00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:27.779 I mean, you can you can name like Ida, and Toby, and Danny, and Zachary Croft's Flane. 405 00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:31.680 Scooty, you know, like, we know them and we care about them. 406 00:28:31.740 --> 00:28:32.940 Mr. Jefferson. 407 00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:38.940 Whereas I'm struggling to know anything about these people at all or about their relationships to one another. 408 00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:44.339 I guess there's the grumpy engineer guy who's very clear on who is allowed to give him orders. 409 00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:47.160 But that's not really enough. 410 00:28:47.220 --> 00:28:49.559 I mean, that's not good enough. 411 00:28:49.619 --> 00:28:55.440 Like, if you're going to care about characters, you need to really know their names and have those, as you were saying earlier. 412 00:28:55.500 --> 00:28:57.599 See those relationships rather than being told about them. 413 00:28:57.660 --> 00:29:10.259 And that's something that I hate saying this, but I'm finding in Chris Chibnall's writing, is that you get told about these things rather than actually seeing organic, if we see those things, then we're much more invested, and I think there'd be a much better payoff on that entire plotline. 414 00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:18.180 Yeah, well, the death of Scooty and the Impossible Planet is so much more heartbreaking than any of the deaths or all of the deaths here put together. 415 00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:20.160 I just can't bring myself to care. 416 00:29:20.220 --> 00:29:26.579 And having this sort of menacing guy that sort of wanders around killing you and uttering a catchphrase. 417 00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:27.539 So what? 418 00:29:27.660 --> 00:29:29.579 Riley is the only one that I really care about. 419 00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:32.339 And that's through his relationship with Martha. 420 00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:36.119 I think it's appalling that virtually everybody's just killed off and some of them with a joke. 421 00:29:36.180 --> 00:29:38.519 Like, I just think that's just not Doctor Who. 422 00:29:39.420 --> 00:29:46.380 And if you know my classic FTE podcast, then you'll realise that for me to say that, that's a big thing. 423 00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:47.099 Yeah, yeah. 424 00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:50.819 It's like Arena complaining about fetching Carrie, fetching Carrie kill me now. 425 00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:53.880 But, you know, that's straight out of a horror movie. 426 00:29:53.940 --> 00:30:07.079 That's some scream, 1996, a character called Tatum is cornered in the garage by the Ghostface Killer, but thinks it's someone in a costume having a joke, and she has the rather wonderful line of, no, don't kill me. 427 00:30:07.140 --> 00:30:08.940 I want to be in the sequel. 428 00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:11.460 And then she's killed by a doggy dorm. 429 00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:21.359 I would have liked one of the women to have survived other than Martha, but anyway, that's a good point, actually, because, yeah, you've got Abby Lerner, who will be Rose Parks. 430 00:30:21.420 --> 00:30:30.299 But yeah, playing the ship's doctor who basically gets a few lines of exposition really doesn't get much in the way of character and is then killed. 431 00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:31.799 And Arena's then killed. 432 00:30:31.859 --> 00:30:34.859 So, yeah, aside from cooling, like they're the 1st 2 to die, the 2 women. 433 00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:36.599 I hadn't considered that. 434 00:30:36.660 --> 00:30:40.440 And I really, I really like Arena. 435 00:30:40.500 --> 00:30:50.519 Like she's only there for a few seeds, but she just gets the kind of grumpiness of being the intern across and no one ever says she's the intern, but she appears to be the youngest member of the crew. 436 00:30:50.579 --> 00:30:52.559 She is told to fetch and carry a water. 437 00:30:52.619 --> 00:30:56.279 She almost gets locked behind the doors and her 1st aid is, who's shutting all the doors? 438 00:30:56.339 --> 00:30:57.240 Mama's got locked in. 439 00:30:57.299 --> 00:30:58.980 She should have survived. 440 00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:00.180 Yeah, yeah, she was great. 441 00:31:00.299 --> 00:31:01.799 Her and Riley should have survived. 442 00:31:01.859 --> 00:31:02.339 Yeah, agree. 443 00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:02.880 Yeah. 444 00:31:02.940 --> 00:31:09.599 Because, you know, Scaml could have had his Mr. Jefferson moment of, yeah, I'm the grumpy taciturn one, but really I love all you crazy kids. 445 00:31:09.660 --> 00:31:10.920 Scam all the old man. 446 00:31:10.980 --> 00:31:15.299 No, Scamel's the other guy who survives at the end. the 2nd in charge, I think. 447 00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:15.960 Yeah, yeah. 448 00:31:16.019 --> 00:31:19.259 The one who's constantly grumpy and well that won't work and that won't work and that won't work. 449 00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:21.420 I have literally no memory of him. 450 00:31:21.779 --> 00:31:27.240 It's what should have been done to the Scooby-Doo cast, isn't it? 451 00:31:27.299 --> 00:31:28.140 We really do. 452 00:31:28.140 --> 00:31:29.519 We should have picked them off one by one. 453 00:31:29.579 --> 00:31:30.960 Velma and then... 454 00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:37.319 I suppose we've seen enough horror postiches to that have done that before this, but it almost does feel like that. 455 00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:46.319 That we've got such a setup of cyphers that, again, recognisable memes, tropes, tropes, tropes. 456 00:31:46.380 --> 00:31:48.420 And again, knocked off like dominoes. 457 00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:52.619 Oh, I really want to say something nice about Chipper's script. really do. 458 00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:59.220 Look, I think he will go on to produce better scripts than this, but it is just astonishingly... 459 00:31:59.220 --> 00:32:00.539 Better Malcolm Hulk script. 460 00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:02.339 Yeah, better Malcolm Hulk scripts than this. 461 00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:07.019 But it is really linear and it really just doesn't have anything. 462 00:32:07.140 --> 00:32:08.700 It really should work for real time. 463 00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:10.319 That's where you get the paint. 464 00:32:10.380 --> 00:32:12.359 But it'd be nice to have some plot twist or something. 465 00:32:12.420 --> 00:32:20.160 And I don't think the discovery that it's they're being killed by their own fuel, which could go somewhere or mean something, but doesn't. 466 00:32:20.220 --> 00:32:21.960 It's just a science fiction trope. 467 00:32:22.019 --> 00:32:27.839 I mean, we're all being killed by own fuel, even as we speak, but it doesn't actually have anything to say. 468 00:32:27.900 --> 00:32:34.619 And that's another thing about gymnal scripts is that they often just have no real subtext. 469 00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:38.700 They are a collection of science fiction things that happen for 42 minutes. 470 00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:47.759 And you get the whole resolution where, you know, they jettison the fuel and then it just unpossesses the doctor because that's what we do. 471 00:32:47.819 --> 00:32:48.900 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 472 00:32:49.019 --> 00:32:53.819 It occurs to me that Star Trek Voyager did this episode at least twice. 473 00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:54.480 Really? 474 00:32:54.539 --> 00:32:56.700 Like living nebulas and things like that. 475 00:32:56.819 --> 00:33:01.559 To the point that, yeah, they take a bit out of the nebula and then they have to repair it. 476 00:33:01.619 --> 00:33:02.339 Brendan, yeah. 477 00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:03.660 Is there coffee in that nebula? 478 00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:04.799 coffee in that nebula. 479 00:33:04.859 --> 00:33:06.180 Yes, that's the one. 480 00:33:06.299 --> 00:33:07.259 I remember. 481 00:33:07.259 --> 00:33:10.140 I think that's like episode 3 of which. 482 00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:16.799 Yeah, look, I quite like this, but I think Chibnell will definitely do better. 483 00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:21.839 Like one of my favourite chibnal scripts is the power of three, which we're still a few years away from. 484 00:33:21.900 --> 00:33:28.380 But I think as a debut Doctor Who script, You compare this to the Lazarus experiment last week with Stephen Greenhorn. 485 00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:38.400 And it seems to me, this script, it may be linear, but what happens is a logical progression. 486 00:33:38.460 --> 00:33:42.180 You never sort of have to make a leap to understand why we are where we are. 487 00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:48.299 Like with the Lazarus experiment last week, you know, there has to be all this talk about a cathedral in the 1st couple of acts. 488 00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:49.859 So it's Chehov's Cathedral. 489 00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:51.480 You know we know we're going to end up there. 490 00:33:51.539 --> 00:33:52.680 There's nothing like that here. 491 00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:59.099 This is one I think you can come into halfway through and you know what is happening. 492 00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:02.400 And I think the way I recommend coming in 5 minutes from the end. 493 00:34:03.420 --> 00:34:08.099 Right, and so it's just sort of Francine and Martha. the only thing you get to see. 494 00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:11.099 I will say something about the timings in this episode. 495 00:34:11.159 --> 00:34:13.920 It's not 42. not 22 minutes, is it? 496 00:34:13.980 --> 00:34:15.059 doesn't it start like that? 497 00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:16.320 It starts out pretty well. 498 00:34:16.380 --> 00:34:24.659 So our 1st time call is 4227 and our next time call just after the opening credits is about 10 seconds out at 4026. 499 00:34:24.900 --> 00:34:28.139 After that, all the remaining time calls are about 4 minutes out. 500 00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:29.820 And I was trying to figure out why that was. 501 00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:40.500 And then I discovered, so where we get the opening credits, with that pullout shot of the ship falling into the sun, which was to date the longest special effect sequence the mill had done. 502 00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:41.159 Wow. 503 00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:44.760 That wasn't originally the crash into the title. 504 00:34:44.820 --> 00:34:52.920 So crash into the titles came later in that scene where Martha says, we're stuck here. and that's why you get a big close-up of Freeman saying that line. and she's doing cliffhanger acting. 505 00:34:52.980 --> 00:34:53.460 Right, right. 506 00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:57.420 Because then the next time call after that is the one that's 4 minutes out. 507 00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:00.239 So the idea is during the titles, we lose 4 minutes. 508 00:35:00.300 --> 00:35:01.019 Okay. 509 00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:03.300 Then are we then consistently 4 minutes out? 510 00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:04.920 It's then consistently 4 minutes out. 511 00:35:04.980 --> 00:35:10.800 But I think they're aware of this because I started a timer when the computer said 4227. 512 00:35:11.699 --> 00:35:14.039 They do here at FTE. 513 00:35:14.099 --> 00:35:22.440 And it went off as Francine was watching the sinister woman leave her house and the music goes into the next time trailer. 514 00:35:22.500 --> 00:35:26.699 So there is an element in there that is at least 4227. 515 00:35:26.940 --> 00:35:29.340 Because I was going to bitterly complain about that. 516 00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:32.699 It would have been better had it actually been properly, you know, 42. 517 00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:34.800 But it's good investigative work. 518 00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:35.519 Thank you for that. 519 00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:37.079 So we don't have to. 520 00:35:37.139 --> 00:35:40.860 It's something I always do when there's like a countdown in a movie. 521 00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:42.420 It's like we've got 10 minutes to do this. 522 00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:45.659 It's like, yeah, and in 15 minutes time, it'll be at 5 seconds. 523 00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:50.519 Can I just praise Freemur again for her screams in this episode? 524 00:35:50.579 --> 00:35:58.139 I think her screaming is just fantastic when she's in the pod and she's, you know, in dire deadly danger. 525 00:35:58.260 --> 00:36:03.239 Yeah, because there's one she does where she sees Corwin and it's not a scream of terror. 526 00:36:03.300 --> 00:36:06.360 It's a scream of, if I could get my hands on you, I would take you apart. 527 00:36:06.420 --> 00:36:09.360 Which you just can't imagine Billy doing. 528 00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:11.340 Oh I don't know. 529 00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:13.079 Well, maybe with her teeth. 530 00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:24.539 One more thing I will say is this completes a sort of trilogy of very filmmically based stories. 531 00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:31.079 So Daleks in Manhattan, that two-parter, very Frankenstein, very 30s universal horror. 532 00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:34.559 Last week, as I said, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Flied. 533 00:36:35.099 --> 00:36:37.260 This week... 534 00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:38.820 The Carl Emley films. 535 00:36:38.820 --> 00:36:48.119 And of course, there was also Berkeley and 42nd Street, and Daleks and Manhattan is every great New York film from that period that I love. 536 00:36:48.179 --> 00:36:49.260 Yeah, you're right. 537 00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:51.420 We're seeing an homage to 30s drama. 538 00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:56.159 Yeah, and this is, as you said, Richard Solaris, it's forbidden Planet. 539 00:36:56.219 --> 00:37:01.559 And also alien, very obviously, with the arena comparison I mentioned. 540 00:37:01.619 --> 00:37:09.360 But I think of the three, this uses its references without directly copying them the best. 541 00:37:09.420 --> 00:37:12.360 This isn't, hey, remember Frankenstein? 542 00:37:12.420 --> 00:37:14.579 Well, here's a guy with some tentacles on his face. 543 00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:17.940 This is if you know... 544 00:37:18.059 --> 00:37:19.019 We hope they tend to go. 545 00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:19.500 Yeah. 546 00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:34.500 This is, it's like, if you know alien, and you know that scene where Veronica Cartwright is attacked by the alien, then arenas attack from the sun monster has resonance, but you don't need it to understand it. 547 00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:42.179 Because I remember in 2007, Todd, watching Daleks in Manhattan, an evolution of the Daleks at your place. 548 00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:45.719 And why do I have that memory of these things? 549 00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:46.920 There was lots of champagne. 550 00:37:46.980 --> 00:37:48.480 And I seem to record time. 551 00:37:48.539 --> 00:37:51.360 You really, really hated like human sick. 552 00:37:51.420 --> 00:37:53.340 You thought it was so ridiculous. 553 00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:56.460 And someone said, oh, but it's Frankenstein's monster. and you went, oh, right, fine. 554 00:37:56.519 --> 00:37:57.719 But that's the thing. 555 00:37:57.780 --> 00:38:00.179 You need to get that reference to fully appreciate the character. 556 00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:05.280 And in this one, I don't think you need the references to appreciate it that gives you a deeper understanding. 557 00:38:05.340 --> 00:38:07.559 A lot of these film references. 558 00:38:07.619 --> 00:38:09.539 Go totally over the top of my head. 559 00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:11.820 I like the concept of Dalek Zec now. 560 00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:16.320 Like, I still think performance wise, but I bought into that plot a lot more. 561 00:38:16.380 --> 00:38:19.320 What you're saying should be a real strength to this episode. 562 00:38:19.380 --> 00:38:21.360 I don't know whether it is. 563 00:38:21.420 --> 00:38:22.920 Yeah, it doesn't quite lame. 564 00:38:22.980 --> 00:38:40.380 In fact, the fact that it's the same aesthetic as alien, it's all sort of just terribly familiar, you know, that does operate as shorthand, we know where we are, but it does mean that just the concepts are just a bit retread, you know, like it's all stuff that we've seen a lot of times before. 565 00:38:40.739 --> 00:38:42.360 Oh, dear. 566 00:38:42.420 --> 00:38:57.239 I'm looking at that painting above Brendan and Todd, and it pretty much is the artwork for this episode, the burning sun with the little tiny little astronauts. tiny little actors that we'll never see again plummeting into... 567 00:38:57.239 --> 00:39:00.119 I'm getting into the solar sphere. 568 00:39:00.659 --> 00:39:05.039 I really want to say something good and I've been struggling all the way through this. 569 00:39:05.099 --> 00:39:09.360 I think it's, I think it does what it sets out to do successfully. 570 00:39:09.420 --> 00:39:10.679 It's entertaining. 571 00:39:10.739 --> 00:39:14.880 I wasn't uninterested watching it, but my heart's not there. 572 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:15.659 I'm sorry. 573 00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:41.820 Well, they listener, that's all we have time for this week. 574 00:39:41.880 --> 00:39:47.639 We'll be back next week to visit an old friend, as the doctor gets his Superman 2 on, in human nature. 575 00:39:48.300 --> 00:40:04.019 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts and you can keep up with us at Flightthrough Entirety on Facebook at FTE podcast on Twitter and on our website, FlightthroughEntirety.com, where you'll find links to our 2 other podcasts, Bondfinger and Jody into Tara. 576 00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:09.179 Until next time, thanks for all your doing, dear listener, Mr. Saxon will be very grateful. 577 00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:11.760 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 578 00:40:11.820 --> 00:40:12.480 Good night. 579 00:40:12.539 --> 00:40:14.159 See you soon. frying. 580 00:40:17.219 --> 00:40:21.900 That was Flight for Entirety, starring Todd Beelby, Nathan Bottleby, Brendan, Jones, and Richard Stone. 581 00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:25.679 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, strings performance by Jane Orberg. 582 00:40:25.739 --> 00:40:33.659 This episode, I believe Beryl Reed is afraid to captain, was recorded on the 1st of September 2019 and released on the 27th of October. 583 00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:50.400 Other things that you might plunge into from a great height in a Chris Chipnell episode include the Earth, a pit leading into the centre of the Earth, an enormous CG demon, the Earth again, a dinosaur, and a disused building site just across the road from Tim Shaw's dentist. 584 00:40:50.460 --> 00:40:54.719 And today is the 1st of September. 585 00:40:54.780 --> 00:40:59.940 And we are going to go for 42 minutes, exactly is the plan. 586 00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:02.219 So not the actual raw recording. 587 00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:06.719 We'll go a bit longer than that, but let's get started as quick as we possibly can. 588 00:41:06.780 --> 00:41:09.360 I've got nothing about this one, by the way. 589 00:41:09.420 --> 00:41:10.199 I've got a few things. 590 00:41:10.260 --> 00:41:11.820 But it's not about them. about other things. 591 00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:12.420 Yeah good. 592 00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:13.139 Oh, yeah. 593 00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:16.739 So the commentary is Rusty T ladies and Chris Chinball. 594 00:41:18.179 --> 00:41:20.039 Calvin, are you going? 595 00:41:21.420 --> 00:41:23.280 42 minutes. 596 00:41:23.820 --> 00:41:25.739 Yeah, we're starting now. 597 00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:28.559 Do you want me to pull across the thing? 598 00:41:28.619 --> 00:41:29.760 No, the dogs won't come. 599 00:41:29.820 --> 00:41:30.900 They'll be outside. 600 00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:32.460 I like we've got the sunny room. 601 00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:33.420 Yeah, yeah. 602 00:41:34.500 --> 00:41:35.460 Because he's going to not be. 603 00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:36.539 Yeah, because he's not going to be here. 604 00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:39.059 Sir, not appearing in this. 605 00:41:39.059 --> 00:41:41.400 They all look pretty up there. 606 00:41:41.460 --> 00:41:42.780 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 607 00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:45.420 I haven't really sort of arranged them or anything. 608 00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:46.739 They're not even... 609 00:41:46.739 --> 00:41:47.039 I know. 610 00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:48.000 A logical order. 611 00:41:48.059 --> 00:41:49.079 Look at that moment there. 612 00:41:49.619 --> 00:41:54.480 One, like 10, 12, 19 and 18. 613 00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:59.880 I think the most phones are having inner apoplexy just contemplates upsetting on that show.