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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flightthrough Entirety

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the only Doctor Who podcast that's only really a profile piece.

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You know, hair and clothes and nonsense.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm James.

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I'm Todd.

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And, ooh, I'm a Terrahawk Zeroid chock fold of daimonte Kitty fans

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for this one.

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Well, it's our 3rd annual end of the world, and who could possibly

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have imagined that it would be at the hands of the prime minister

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of Great Britain.

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Yeah, a guest.

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So we're planning to run and skulk and lurk for a bit until we can

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find somewhere warm and dry to sit down and discuss the sound of

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drugs.

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All right, so Harold Saxon is the master, and he has just been

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elected Prime Minister of Great Britain.

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And he has a wife and he has a wife.

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How do we feel about that?

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Well, Stephen Moffatt actually does make that joke, doesn't he, in

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time crash a little bit later on, the master's rubbish beard and

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he's clearly referring to Lucy Saxon there.

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I think that this is something pretty amazing, and I do think that

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this episode was broadcast, you know, just a matter of days before

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Tony Blair resigns, and you have to think that John Sim is another

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Tony Blair.

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Very much so.

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Yeah, so he's young.

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But with far more charm.

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And I would say ability.

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Well, he's sort of young and charming. everyone voted for him for

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some reason, but no one can remember why.

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He's kind of a middle way, isn't he?

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Like he's a 3rd way.

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He's not Labour or Tory.

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He's in the middle somewhere.

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But with even more war crimes.

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And that's the thing, you know, so at the end of the episode

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1000000000s of bombs descent from the sky, wiping people out.

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And next week we're going to see him kind of turning all of Europe

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into, you know, like a giant missile launching pad.

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So this is Russell at his angriest, I think, at Blair, even

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angrier than when he killed him and stuffed him in a cup in Aliens

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of London 2 years ago.

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I've forgotten about that.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So this is you know, much more political, I think, than we're

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generally inclined to think of it.

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We've already been through the Congress of the willing.

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We were congressional in that past.

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We were being Australians.

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Yeah, so, you know, the full fat lie that was being discussed.

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I would like to think that had something to do with the

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destruction of Harold Saxon's reign in whatever this year was in

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2017.

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But we'd already got to the point that no war crimes and indeed

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war hardware just makes you look purposeful.

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Yes.

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That's right.

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They get things done, they slot, don't they?

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Well, this might have actually been the turning point in our

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Western history where we actually did quite like the idea of a

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Charlemagne, but with more knifey things and elephants.

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I was actually hunting on Google, like trying to find whether

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anyone else had decided that Harold Saxon was Tony Blair.

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And I did find an article that referenced sound of drums, a fairly

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recent article and said that it was very notable and memorable as

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a depiction of Tony Blair that for once wasn't being done by

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Michael Sheen.

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Actually, they've got the same waxy, polished, putrescent quality

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haven't they?

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There's something that's really so fecundly ripe that you don't

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want to poke at too much because you know it'll exude.

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It is wonderful seeing him.

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That's just his performance.

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Yes.

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It's wonderful seeing him.

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So we see him on the screen.

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Very soon after they arrive.

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So they arrive on earth in the present day, we don't see them

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escaping from last week's cliffhanger, and very soon they see him

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on television.

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And I think we discover or have discovered that it is only 4 days

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since Leo's birthday party.

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So Tish has, we were speculating about this earlier on in the

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season.

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But Tish has literally had the most impressive week career wise.

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Yes, we've been talking about this.

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Her job resume and the jobs that she goes through and how she, yeah

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and what she's doing in her week.

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Yeah, no, it's one hell of a week.

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I mean, Harold Saxon's clearly been engineering it because we

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discover that Harold Saxon was behind the Lazarus experiment.

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Professor Lazarus mentions him in the episode and we get another

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reference to it this week.

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There are so many nasty...

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Well, should you say nasty?

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Let's just say visceral RTD nods to what millennials expectations

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are as well.

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You know he's looking at all of us.

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Well, slightly younger than us saying.

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This is what you think a career path is going to be for you, don't

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you?

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Just you wait.

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There's either that line.

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How did you think that you got the job so quickly just on your

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talent?

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And she bankly looks at him.

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Yeah, well, I'm pretty.

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What do we think of John Simm?

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Let's go straight in.

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We saw him very briefly last week.

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How do we feel about him as the master in this episode?

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I think he's my least favourite master of all time.

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Oh, edgy.

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Less than Anthony Ainley.

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Less than what's his face from the beginning of the TV movie.

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Gordon Tippet.

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Oh yeah, he was stunning.

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The other one from the Pet Shop Boys always wears a hat.

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No. house in London is all glass floors.

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You don't want to go there if you, you know, have had a few.

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James, why is he your least favourite?

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Yeah, why is it your least favourite?

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I don't know.

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It's just, I liked him at the time, but he's been surpassed by

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Michelle Gomez.

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I think when he's brought back.

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We're getting ahead of ourselves.

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He's much more masterly.

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I think it's one of those things where whenever anybody comes into

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a role, they do it a certain way.

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And if you look at Tenant or Matt Smith or whatever, the 1st

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couple of episodes that they do, there's certain things that then

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they reign back and they change, right?

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And I think here he's got to make an impact immediately.

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I mean, he's following on from last week with Derek Jacobi being

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the master.

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So he's got a, you know, he's putting his stamp on what it is and

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the script is written in a certain way to make a contrast between

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what was last week and what was this week.

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I absolutely and utterly loathed him back in 2007.

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I hated him beyond all belief. can tell where this is going.

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I hated him.

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Why did you did you really?

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Because he was just so over the top and I just, and the one scene

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which I still don't like, is when he starts pulling all those

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funny faces in the cabinet and he's about to kill off the, um, the

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cabinet.

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And, uh, he's doing his thumbs up staff and pulling all those

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funny cases.

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And I just, I still don't like that sequence.

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I think it's too far.

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We've had all these things saying it's been around for 18 months

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and but we don't see it.

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It's all just said.

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So there's, the 1st thing you see is this big over the top.

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I'm, you know, destroying all these people, but we don't see the

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restraint that he's had in the last 18 months.

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I mean, to be fair, I don't think we can see that.

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Oh, no, no, no.

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That's one of the things to do with the plotting of the script.

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And where Russell is taking us with the conclusion of this season

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that you can't get around that because of the decisions that are

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made in terms of the story sequencing.

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But that one sequence in the whole episode, it just set me off

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back in 2007, 2008, and from that point in time, I just could not

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see anything, but over the top.

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Yeah.

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See, for me, that nailed that he was poultering our tenant.

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Yeah, he was really doing tenant in that scene.

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And that's what he has to do.

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He has to be tenant.

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And he's always the shadow of the doctor.

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But to go back to what you were saying is that we've now obviously

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seen more stories with him.

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And so when I came back to watch this, I edited that out of my

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head, that sequence.

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And I said, I want to see what you're doing in all the other

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sequences, which I've sort of blotted out.

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And I just think that he's absolutely and utterly stunning.

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I think he's perfect.

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There is subtlety.

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There are moments of stillness, like on the tarmac and other one

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liners, which are just fed in. and it's, it is, I've totally

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changed my mind.

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Totally, listeners, believe it or not.

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And I absolutely adore him in this episode.

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I think that they haven't got the master right since Delgado, and

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the reason is, and we said this at the time, you know, Delgado is

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just pert we only foreign.

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And Sim needs to be tenant.

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You know, he needs to be a mirror of the doctor and particularly

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for new fans.

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He can't just be some guy with a BBC press on beard, which is what

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Ainley goes.

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He has to be the doctor.

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And so they choose someone who is the star of the other big

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science fiction television program at the time.

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Life on Mars.

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Yeah.

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And so the threat is in this 2 parter.

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And it sort of happens that the master takes over from the doctor

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as the most fun and interesting thing to watch.

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And our reaction, our initial reaction to John Sim is a little bit

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like an old school fan's initial reaction, say, to Tennant or

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Smith.

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You know, the reaction that the war doctor has in Day of the

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Doctor about how these kids are running around pretending to be

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the doctor with their timey, whimey, and their giant sonic

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screwdrivers.

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Am I having a midlife crisis?

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Yeah, yeah.

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So he needs to be like tenant.

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And so I agree with you.

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That scene, I quite like the, you know, the tapping on the table

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and the gas mask stuff and all of that.

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But when he does the, when I'm being serious, I'm like this and

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when I'm not being serious, I'm like that.

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I was more on board with that this time, but I didn't much like

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that at the time.

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I thought that that was a little bit mischarged, but it's just of

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a piece with this fantastic, fantastic performance.

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When, um, Vivian Rook is killed by the Choclafane, and he opens

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and closes that door.

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I absolutely adore that. wonderful.

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See, I just, I hate that.

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It's so good.

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Like, yes.

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I, you know, look, I know that's the way you're supposed to feel.

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It's supposed to say, you know, this man is evil.

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Look at how he's treating this woman's like horrible murder.

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What would Tony and Chari have done?

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Yeah, precisely that.

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They would have done exactly that.

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But I just, like, in that sort of 4 or 5 minutes that she's in the

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episode, I really warmed that character. which is what you're

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supposed to do.

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I know.

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And then she's horribly murdered.

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And I just, it, it really upsets.

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But that's Russell.

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That's a deliberate choice by Rose.

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Russell, that's not John Sims' performance.

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And the fact that he's sort of biting his finger or, you know

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pulling a funny face as he opens the door 2 or 3 times to have her

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still screaming, that's really funny.

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He is he knows he's on television and he's treating the death like

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a sort of comedy cartoon death.

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But I love the moments just before that when she's talking to

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Lucy.

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And then it pulls back and he's standing there quietly and

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subtly.

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It's just a brilliant moment.

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And Lucy is completely unhinged, but she appears to be completely

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in control, but she's, but she's obviously...

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Lucy isn't just the British television audience.

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Lucy isn't just Susan for this episode.

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She's actually the voting public that voted Tony Blair.

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Sorry, Harold Saxon in.

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It's funny how those two.

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But do you agree?

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Because that for me is the moment that this episode actually

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crunches and goes cold metal in my heart when there is the appeal

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to Lucy's.

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It's not very kind to the Tories, is it?

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Even though we know that he's not necessarily a Tory, but there's

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that moment of, I've accepted my privilege.

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I've signed for.

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So now I'm ready to do what must be done to the Panama and

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sewers.

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Oh, I'm sorry, no, I'm not the queen, that what must be done too.

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To establish my power.

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She's a horrible, horrible poshka.

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I actually think no, well, I tend to disagree.

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I think she's just a person who's realised that a mammal that like

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the rest of us who's realised our comfort and security comes

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before.

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Can I just put in that Friday, I went to the march with, I think

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3000000 other people, 4000000 other people for the climate change

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a year after that little 16 year old girl.

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Thank you, great time.

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That's the difference.

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But for the rest of us, and for people even on the feed on the

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holy book of face was saying, you know, relatives of mine were

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saying, well, the rest of us were at work, so the children would

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have a job.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I actually got that.

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Yeah, but no, I get it. terrified.

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Yeah.

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So and and and terror demands comfort.

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And we will see more of that next week because we do find what it

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is, what has happened to Lucy, that has turned her into this kind

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of weird shell of a person who is all just sort of posh girl

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performance, but has nothing left inside her at all and much like

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this podcast.

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I thought she was actually, at the time, I thought she looked a

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bit like Kylie Minogue from various views.

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Given another couple of weeks.

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Like, please stay video and yes, but then, of course, Kylie does

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turn up in a couple of weeks and looks absolutely nothing like her

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with terrible hair.

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Well, Kylie's my age.

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But I think, is it Alexandra's performance as Lucy is just

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sublime?

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She just supports John Sims so well and it's just lovely having

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that contrast.

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And, yeah, he has just shone and just shot up in my opinion in

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this episode.

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Do you know the one moment of performance that just made my blood

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run cold is where he's looking at the camera and the camera is

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absolutely conspiring with him and he goes, peoples of the earth.

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Please attend carefully.

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And he knows it's a quote from Lagopolis.

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He's doing its camera.

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The camera moves in on him as he says it.

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He's so excited by it.

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And, you know, he's displacing the doctor.

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He offers Lucy a jelly baby as well.

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And there's no way that that isn't just, I'm going to be the

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doctor.

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And not only that, I'm going to be the most compelling and

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charismatic doctor, you know, in the history of the show.

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And that's the threat that the master poses.

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And what this does, is it has him having an incredibly successful

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plan.

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And we have never seen that before.

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Think about season 8 where every month he was being foiled by the

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doctor.

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I totally and utterly agree with you.

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This is the 1st time ever that he actually gets his plan to

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succeed.

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It never has succeeded.

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Ainley was just like, you know, thrown away with rubbish plots.

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And and Paul Roger Delgado, you just knew that it was, you know, we

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get to a point where it's all just going to go belly up.

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And this is the 1st time where he's succeeding at every single

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point along the way, you know, when he talks about the medical

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student and the bomb is already there.

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He's manipulated.

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Jeffrey Beaver's wasn't unsuccessful, was he?

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No, but the scale of what he was doing.

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I mean, he's mostly powerless.

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Yeah.

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Whereas he, just the massive scale of it, that he's doing it in

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front of the entire world and we get to see what the master would

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do if he won.

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It's not that different from right now.

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So Stephen Moffat had this thing about Missy, where he had to have

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her kill people fairly frequently because otherwise we would like

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her too much. you know?

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We still, it didn't work.

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We still loved her enormously, especially when she could kill

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Chris Addison.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But having him just kill the cabinet.

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And, you know, at the end of the episode, he kills 600000000

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people, you know, like it's super, super bleak and horrible.

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And he's just incredibly great.

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This is the best we've ever seen the master.

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It might not be the best performance, like maybe Delgado is better

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sometimes.

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But I just think this is an extraordinary story for the master.

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But in the same moment, he also fulfils Doctor Who's educational

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remit by explaining what decimate means.

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Yes, he does.

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Thank you.

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Tom moment, was it?

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I love the fact that subtly in the plot, no, we talk about the

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doctor says as if he's mesmerised the world and we're using

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current technology with the whole archangel network. so that he's

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still, the master was always sort of hypnotic.

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Like, there's all these subtle threads back to how he was with

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Roger Delgado that we're as classic series fans are going to pick

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up on.

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And the 1st time through, I think I was just so sort of like

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stunned at the overchop performance and that, a lot of things

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these subtleties that Russell has been threading through things

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over various episodes.

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I just didn't pick up on, which is why I loved this episode even

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more than I, like, this has improved so much for me.

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This is besides blink.

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This is my favourite episode of the season.

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The reason the master works now for the reboot of the series is

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the reason the series is working.

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We've come to, correct me if you, you know, disagree.

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Come to see the whole of Doctor Who, which I call real Doctor Who

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as in 63 took.

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It never ended. is because it belonged in its own alternate time

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if you like.

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And it belonged to the BBC world of Penelope Keith was just up the

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road and Tom and Barbara were just next door.

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It was a lovely universe where things, even when they went

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horribly wrong, would always be corrected, and everyone who was in

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charge was essentially okay.

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And there were a few awful characters.

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There were a few, but there was always a lovely Sir Charles, if

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there was going to be a war machine.

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You always had someone reliable, even whatever side of politics

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everyone was pretty much decent.

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But there was still contemporaneity.

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And we, and certainly by the late 70s and into the 80s, and even

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before JNT, we had that sense of things are starting to actually

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change and unravel, and we've mentioned Green Death, and we've

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mentioned the Peladon, EU, EC, crisis, and such like, but we're

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now at a point where things have moved so far in reality, in this

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truth, politics, in the environment, just the fact that we now, I

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would say there was a really good piece in the Guardian last week

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on the end of Western democracy and what We now accept as gross

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fallacies, gross mistruths and utter, in fact, denial of the

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humanity of many of the peoples that we once, you know, either in

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the colony or the way that we produce arms and that's how we make

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our money or, hi, Harold Saxon.

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We are now so complicit in this, we are actually Lucy Saxon.

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We are completely Lucy Saxon.

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It is our responsibility that this has all happened.

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And this is, because I love Russell, because even when he talks

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about his childhood, he goes to the very, very darkest place.

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I don't think you can ever underestimate how dark Russell's

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thinking actually is.

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Years and years proves it for all of us.

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Years and years is actually just this show. these 3 episodes.

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Just put slightly outside the valiant down onto earth.

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It's the same thing.

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So yeah, Russell is really pointing the blame at us and that's why

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it's uncomfortable and really entrancing to watch.

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So, I mean, the original master is sort of part of the

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establishment.

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And although he sort of kills people occasionally.

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Like the empire did.

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Yeah, he is.

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It was for a just course.

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He's still he's still not quite a monster.

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It's not until Hinchcliffe brings him back as, you know, yet

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another sort of long dead kind of threat from the distant past

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that he actually tries to sort of destroy the whole planet.

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Sorry, I think Hinchcliffe was doing that just as a naughty

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stabbed Terrence Dixon, Barry Lee, to say, this is what your show

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was like.

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Hingebeef?

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What do you think it's Robert Holmes?

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Well, I think it's both.

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But before that, the master was always sort of rather tame and he

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was part of the ensemble in season eight.

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And if you look at all the press photos and stuff like that.

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It's like he's a regular character.

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And he does risk rather being kind of a bit neutered.

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And, you know, we see him working alongside unit a couple of times

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and it is, I think, indicative of the kind of trust of the

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establishment that we had back in the 70s.

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And now that's all unmoored.

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And now that we've had, you know, very recently, a British Prime

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Minister openly telling lies about Iraq's capabilities and

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encouraging sort of a massive war that killed 100s of 1000s of

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people.

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So when the master comes back, and he comes back as the

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establishment, he's a monster.

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And however, sort of his public persona is and however

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entertaining he is, Russell makes sure that he keals just huge

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numbers of people.

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And it will only escalate next week, the sort of things that he's

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described as having done next week are appalling.

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And all the time he's dancing about in his kind of giant palace up

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in the sky completely invulnerable, you know, lying to and

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manipulating the public that voted for him.

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And I think this is a better conception of the master because it

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doesn't have that trust to the establishment that informs the

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previous master.

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I think the previous master's too cosy and too domestic.

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But he's still quite happy to send the torture team off to the

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Himalayas and not actually just kill them off.

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Well, yeah, and that, again, is a sort of comedy cartoon thing

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isn't it?

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It's like, well, why aren't tortured here?

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Well, because it's not that show.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And so he does it in a sort of comedy way.

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And we can't kill them off because...

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Well, they've got to do that.

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They got to do that themselves.

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Well, exactly.

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So we're back in Martha's apartment.

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Very high ceilings.

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She does have very nice things.

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How do you get that thing in there?

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I've always wanted a police box in the bedroom.

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We've got this team of Martha and Jack and the doctor, which was

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introduced last week, and I think it was a great chemistry between

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them all last week, and it's great to see them all working

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together again, and her bond with Jack.

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They're in Martha's bedroom.

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The doctor is trying to work out what the master's doing.

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We've got that whole sequence, which I think is a joyous sequence

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where you've got Vivian interviewing Lucy and giving her all the

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information about Harold Saxon's not real at the same time as the

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doctor is working all that out in parallel, which I always like in

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storytelling.

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We have that next week as well, a very similar thing where 2 plot

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threads converge on the same kind of revelation.

502
00:24:35.940 --> 00:24:40.619
And of course, then the whole, you know, the master is again 20

503
00:24:40.619 --> 00:24:44.039
steps ahead and has planted this bomb behind the television, which

504
00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:45.180
I just think is hilarious.

505
00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:47.099
A magpie television, did you notice?

506
00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:48.119
Yeah.

507
00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:48.779
Electricals.

508
00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:52.740
I think that this stuff now is really great and now we go into a

509
00:24:52.740 --> 00:24:53.819
political thriller.

510
00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:58.019
I think it's one of Martha's most superb moments as well. where

511
00:24:58.019 --> 00:25:00.480
she's got this great relationship with the doctor going.

512
00:25:00.539 --> 00:25:03.420
And then the moment her family's under threat, she just turned

513
00:25:03.420 --> 00:25:06.299
straight to him and says, you know, don't tell me what to do.

514
00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:08.700
That is a fantastic moment, Nathan.

515
00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:09.839
She's so good then.

516
00:25:09.900 --> 00:25:12.660
And the doctor knows better than to tell her what to do.

517
00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:14.339
And so he just goes along with her.

518
00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:17.160
But suddenly we're being chased by the government.

519
00:25:17.220 --> 00:25:20.220
There are bombs exploding and people firing machine guns and

520
00:25:20.220 --> 00:25:20.700
stuff.

521
00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:24.960
So most of most of those car chase scenes are actually freeman

522
00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:27.420
driving instead of her stunt double.

523
00:25:27.420 --> 00:25:33.059
With the visual effects supervisor sandwiched between David and

524
00:25:33.059 --> 00:25:36.059
John Barriman.

525
00:25:36.059 --> 00:25:37.140
In the backseat?

526
00:25:37.140 --> 00:25:40.680
Because her driving was far more terrifying than any stunt

527
00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:42.480
arranger could have done themselves.

528
00:25:42.539 --> 00:25:44.640
Setting off all the little explosions.

529
00:25:44.700 --> 00:25:47.759
I think that this sort of thread of the plot really works.

530
00:25:47.819 --> 00:25:50.940
I just think it's not something Doctor Who gets to do a lot

531
00:25:50.940 --> 00:25:51.420
often.

532
00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:52.319
That's wonderful.

533
00:25:52.319 --> 00:25:53.039
It's terrific.

534
00:25:53.099 --> 00:25:57.119
The closest we've had is Mike Yates backing up into a trench in

535
00:25:57.119 --> 00:25:58.200
Planet of the Spine.

536
00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:04.740
I'd love the people coming for Francine and Clive and sort of and

537
00:26:04.740 --> 00:26:07.799
you know, herding them into the back of a truck and stuff.

538
00:26:07.859 --> 00:26:13.200
And her trying to manipulate, like, it's, you know that thing

539
00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:16.380
there's a meme, you know, like, you're being held hostage by

540
00:26:16.380 --> 00:26:19.680
someone, what would you tweet that would make it clear to everyone

541
00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:23.339
that you were being held hostage without kind of giving the game

542
00:26:23.339 --> 00:26:23.880
away?

543
00:26:23.940 --> 00:26:27.240
And, you know, like I would tweet, I'm now about to sit down and

544
00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:30.539
watch my favourite Doctor Who episode of the 1960s, you know, the

545
00:26:30.539 --> 00:26:31.619
massacre.

546
00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:34.140
And what, um, what Frances?

547
00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:35.339
I would just feel you've come round.

548
00:26:35.400 --> 00:26:39.839
What Francine's tweet is, Clive and I are getting back together.

549
00:26:40.500 --> 00:26:43.380
Your father might give it another go.

550
00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:44.700
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

551
00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:47.880
Have you noticed their whole run feels like an episode of This Is

552
00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:48.420
Your Life?

553
00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:52.380
And it's the way Saxon introduces them, the family, but the whole

554
00:26:52.380 --> 00:26:52.619
thing.

555
00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:55.859
But then it ends with the chitty, chitty, bang, bang childcatcher

556
00:26:55.859 --> 00:26:58.440
throwing them into the back of the van and they're pulling exactly

557
00:26:58.440 --> 00:26:59.099
the same faces.

558
00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:03.240
And it backs up your theory about this episode because what

559
00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:06.119
they're saying is they're being bundled into the van to their

560
00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:07.619
neighbours who are watching it happen.

561
00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:11.099
They're saying you voted for Harold Saxon.

562
00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:12.779
This is what you were voting for.

563
00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:15.180
When I originally watched this.

564
00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:19.740
I just thought, you bitch about Martha's mum because I hated her

565
00:27:19.740 --> 00:27:20.039
so much.

566
00:27:20.099 --> 00:27:23.940
But now, of course, coming into it, I see how manipulated that

567
00:27:23.940 --> 00:27:27.299
she's been and how unconvinced she is, but has she made the right

568
00:27:27.299 --> 00:27:27.779
decision?

569
00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:30.000
She's still 2nd guessing herself.

570
00:27:30.059 --> 00:27:32.880
And I mean, I think it's great that Clive is the one that tells

571
00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:34.980
Martha to just run.

572
00:27:35.099 --> 00:27:38.160
Like he's not a great husband, but he's a wonderful father.

573
00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:43.619
And then Francine's, oh, but I helped was helping you out, but I

574
00:27:43.619 --> 00:27:45.059
helped you whatever she had to say.

575
00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:48.539
And at the same time, Martha is just telling the doctor off, you

576
00:27:48.539 --> 00:27:50.640
know, it's all your fault and all that sort of stuff.

577
00:27:50.700 --> 00:27:55.380
It's just magnificent and really well acted by Francine.

578
00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:56.700
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

579
00:27:56.759 --> 00:27:57.599
No, she's really something.

580
00:27:57.660 --> 00:27:59.460
But Francine wanted security.

581
00:27:59.579 --> 00:28:01.380
She voted for the safety of her family.

582
00:28:01.500 --> 00:28:04.619
Well, I think she didn't vote for Saxon, though, because...

583
00:28:04.619 --> 00:28:05.220
Oh, no, she does.

584
00:28:05.220 --> 00:28:06.599
I voted for you.

585
00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:09.660
Typical British boating public.

586
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:14.940
When she's when she confronts the sinister woman or the mysterious

587
00:28:14.940 --> 00:28:15.359
woman.

588
00:28:15.420 --> 00:28:17.279
Is she sinister or mysterious?

589
00:28:17.339 --> 00:28:18.180
Eloise.

590
00:28:19.019 --> 00:28:20.220
Yeah, sinister woman.

591
00:28:20.279 --> 00:28:21.119
Sinister woman.

592
00:28:21.180 --> 00:28:24.059
And she says, I'm not going to tell you who I voted for.

593
00:28:24.059 --> 00:28:28.259
And she's certainly playing it like she's saying that she didn't

594
00:28:28.259 --> 00:28:29.220
vote for Sax.

595
00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:31.859
When she's sort of packing up at the end of 42.

596
00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:35.099
She is quite hostile, I think.

597
00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:40.259
And perhaps because she is being manipulated, she realises she's

598
00:28:40.259 --> 00:28:42.000
being manipulated into ratting on her daughter.

599
00:28:42.059 --> 00:28:46.319
Yes, it's the 1st time that I begin to feel a bit of sympathy for

600
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:50.519
her, because she's dawning on her what she's done. she had that

601
00:28:50.519 --> 00:28:53.039
series of unfortunate events to be manipulated into this situation

602
00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:55.859
and she's now going, have I done the right thing, I probably

603
00:28:55.859 --> 00:28:56.279
haven't.

604
00:28:56.339 --> 00:29:00.240
And again, this is reinforced here when she screams out, I was

605
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:00.599
helping you.

606
00:29:00.660 --> 00:29:01.440
Yeah.

607
00:29:01.500 --> 00:29:03.180
And she's terrified.

608
00:29:03.420 --> 00:29:05.759
Her and Clive are both terrified in the kitchen with those people

609
00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:06.779
around, I think.

610
00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:08.099
And she should be.

611
00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:11.819
I don't know that any of us in the same situation with children

612
00:29:11.819 --> 00:29:13.380
would behave any differently.

613
00:29:13.500 --> 00:29:14.099
Yeah.

614
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:16.920
Well, certainly one of her biggest characteristics is how

615
00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:18.420
protective she is of her daughter.

616
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:23.220
And that continues, you know, all the way to sort of stolen earth

617
00:29:23.220 --> 00:29:25.140
when we next see her.

618
00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:30.359
She absolutely has Martha's safety as her 1st priority.

619
00:29:30.420 --> 00:29:35.279
The whole family is, um, obviously Tish is arrested and then

620
00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:36.779
Martha phones Leo.

621
00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:40.140
Of course, he's not available because he's off doing whatever top

622
00:29:40.140 --> 00:29:41.220
of the pops or something like that.

623
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:42.059
Whatever he's doing.

624
00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:46.079
So then it means that the storyline has to be written so that he's

625
00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:48.779
off in Brighton, but he manages to get into hiding.

626
00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:51.359
But of course, that leads the master is listening into that

627
00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:55.200
telephone conversation. which then leads into that wonderful

628
00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:56.759
exchange between the doctor and the master.

629
00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:01.019
I think that too, it's better than the big one that we get next

630
00:30:01.019 --> 00:30:01.319
week.

631
00:30:01.380 --> 00:30:04.019
It's the only time, like they don't actually sort of properly meet

632
00:30:04.019 --> 00:30:05.220
until the end of the episode.

633
00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:09.119
And it's the one where they get to catch up.

634
00:30:09.180 --> 00:30:12.599
We actually see what's been happening with both of them since the

635
00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:13.559
last great time war.

636
00:30:13.619 --> 00:30:17.460
Yeah, I mean, there's a bit of an info dump like the time once

637
00:30:17.460 --> 00:30:18.720
resurrected me, you know.

638
00:30:18.779 --> 00:30:24.240
But it's good to have that moment because we only see the dobby

639
00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:26.099
doctor or the doctor in really old makeup.

640
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:31.440
So it's nice to have Tenant and Sim go have a one-on-one at this

641
00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:32.519
point in the story.

642
00:30:32.579 --> 00:30:33.900
Yeah.

643
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:36.240
It is interesting too, isn't it?

644
00:30:36.299 --> 00:30:40.079
Because what fascinates the master is that the doctors killed

645
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:40.500
everyone.

646
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:43.799
But he also starts talking about the constant drumming in his head

647
00:30:43.799 --> 00:30:47.519
which, again, is this very subtle thing with Russell. going to

648
00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:49.920
come into play, obviously, a bit further down the track.

649
00:30:49.980 --> 00:30:53.819
And at the time, you just think it's related to like the story

650
00:30:53.819 --> 00:30:56.519
title or whatever, you don't really see the bigger picture.

651
00:30:56.579 --> 00:30:59.819
I think, um, there's so much going on in that phone call

652
00:30:59.880 --> 00:31:04.319
especially when he starts saying, like, does he say it or is it on

653
00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:06.059
the news that they tick every...

654
00:31:06.059 --> 00:31:09.359
No, he says they tick every demographic box and he calls him the

655
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:11.640
girly and the freak, but I'm not going to say which one is weird.

656
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:14.519
We're right here.

657
00:31:15.180 --> 00:31:18.119
That's right. much like this podcast.

658
00:31:18.180 --> 00:31:20.339
No denial on this corner.

659
00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:31.619
I think we get some really great stuff with the Dr. Jack and

660
00:31:31.619 --> 00:31:33.240
Martha when they're on the run.

661
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:34.559
I like 2 more of that, yeah.

662
00:31:34.619 --> 00:31:35.640
I love those.

663
00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:36.480
The Scooby crew.

664
00:31:36.539 --> 00:31:38.099
You know, they're eating chips.

665
00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:40.980
Jack's revealing that he works for Torchwood.

666
00:31:40.980 --> 00:31:46.019
The doctor describes standing in the great schism or whatever with

667
00:31:46.019 --> 00:31:49.140
that Gormless child that plays the master who actually played

668
00:31:49.140 --> 00:31:51.599
young David Tennant in Casanova.

669
00:31:51.660 --> 00:31:54.900
Oh, I think he's showing and was in Tortured as well.

670
00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:59.220
Yeah, yeah, some, some, yeah, obviously the kid of someone

671
00:31:59.220 --> 00:31:59.759
involved.

672
00:31:59.819 --> 00:32:03.299
But I do like that the Scooby gang are constantly referencing Rose

673
00:32:03.299 --> 00:32:04.200
Tyler's mouth.

674
00:32:04.259 --> 00:32:06.779
It's either chips going in or what did you say about the Great

675
00:32:06.779 --> 00:32:07.559
Cavern?

676
00:32:07.859 --> 00:32:10.019
Thank you, Rich.

677
00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:15.240
But also, you know, the whole archangel network and the rhythm is

678
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:15.720
everywhere.

679
00:32:15.779 --> 00:32:18.539
All this stuff that's been alluded to is just getting explained

680
00:32:18.539 --> 00:32:21.420
and then we get the 3 Tartar's key concept, which I really quite

681
00:32:21.420 --> 00:32:26.279
like, and that leads to the bit of bonding between Martha and Jack

682
00:32:26.279 --> 00:32:26.819
over.

683
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:29.400
It's like you fancy someone and they don't even know you exist.

684
00:32:29.460 --> 00:32:30.900
And Jack says you too.

685
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:32.400
Oh, see, I love that.

686
00:32:32.460 --> 00:32:33.059
I think that's great.

687
00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:35.640
And that kind of takes the sting a little bit out of that stupid

688
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:37.980
subplot that we've been contending with all year.

689
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:39.839
Can we unpack some things there?

690
00:32:39.900 --> 00:32:43.799
So we get a backstory with the master where at the age of 8 and we

691
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:47.579
have, you know, it's now canonical that time lords have childhoods

692
00:32:47.579 --> 00:32:49.200
you know, and stuff like that.

693
00:32:49.259 --> 00:32:51.660
Russell kind of humanises them a bit.

694
00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:55.079
Lala did that for us Yes, we had time tots, didn't we?

695
00:32:56.099 --> 00:32:58.559
But woven from a loom.

696
00:32:58.619 --> 00:33:00.059
No, they're not woven from a loop.

697
00:33:00.180 --> 00:33:03.119
They might still be, but no, they still had time nannies and time

698
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:06.119
attics where they would sit up there and read time Beatrix boxes.

699
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:08.279
That's exactly.

700
00:33:08.339 --> 00:33:12.480
But the so the untempered schism, they all look into the

701
00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:15.480
untempered schism and it drives the master mad.

702
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:19.559
And what the master gets as a result of that is he has the Doctor

703
00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:21.720
Who theme going on in his head.

704
00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:23.039
Right, parenting there, O Lords.

705
00:33:23.099 --> 00:33:23.640
Yeah, yeah.

706
00:33:23.700 --> 00:33:25.380
I mean, I think that's intentional.

707
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:27.119
I think we're meant to feel that's terrible.

708
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:30.180
The Russell has claimed that that has nothing to do with the

709
00:33:30.180 --> 00:33:32.460
Doctor Who theme is actually the sign of his alarm clock.

710
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:35.579
Yes, well, but he doesn't get the final say on this.

711
00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:39.599
No, everyone else kind of reads it as the Doctor Who theme. and I

712
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:40.380
think there's some...

713
00:33:40.380 --> 00:33:42.539
You can drive a child about...

714
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:44.339
We're right here.

715
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:45.839
See, I don't really like that.

716
00:33:45.900 --> 00:33:49.859
Like, you know, is the master mad from that point on or does it

717
00:33:49.859 --> 00:33:51.420
take a number of years to manifest?

718
00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:56.759
Well, I think that it is the thing where he reinvents in some way

719
00:33:56.759 --> 00:33:59.700
each of the elements of the old show that he brings back.

720
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:04.200
And I don't think, and I think El Sandefer says this at some point

721
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:04.619
as well.

722
00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:09.179
I don't think that you can see Roger Delgado larking about on the

723
00:34:09.179 --> 00:34:12.239
set of the clause of Axos and imagine that he's got drumming going

724
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:13.139
on in his...

725
00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:14.699
Not unless they slipped in a tab or two.

726
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:17.340
But I, you know, I think Katie might have been up for it.

727
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:18.659
You know.

728
00:34:18.659 --> 00:34:21.239
Have a mushroom. have too.

729
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:24.000
But Welsh, it's good for you.

730
00:34:24.059 --> 00:34:31.800
But what drives the master then is time, that the destruction that

731
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:36.659
the master reeks is the same destruction that time eventually

732
00:34:36.659 --> 00:34:42.179
reeks, that he has been affected by the time vortex, and he goes

733
00:34:42.179 --> 00:34:45.239
around dedicating himself to destruction.

734
00:34:45.300 --> 00:34:47.940
And we saw last episode.

735
00:34:48.059 --> 00:34:53.760
What destroyed all those conglomerations on the planet Malcasero?

736
00:34:53.820 --> 00:34:55.619
It was just time, just time.

737
00:34:55.679 --> 00:35:00.719
So the destruction that the master is committed to is Kylie

738
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:01.440
Minogue's hair.

739
00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:03.840
Well, that was time too.

740
00:35:03.900 --> 00:35:05.940
So it is all about time.

741
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:10.920
And I think that that just makes the master a little bit more epic

742
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:14.940
a little bit less of a cartoon villain who, you know, does things

743
00:35:14.940 --> 00:35:18.360
just to annoy the doctor or to entertain the audience.

744
00:35:18.420 --> 00:35:19.500
He's there.

745
00:35:19.739 --> 00:35:23.400
It's a peculiarly time-lord way of being villainous.

746
00:35:23.460 --> 00:35:25.199
Look, I get your point.

747
00:35:25.260 --> 00:35:29.639
And they've got to make the master a threat equal to and greater

748
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:33.239
than the previous 2 major villains, the dialects and the

749
00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:33.900
cybermen.

750
00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:38.340
So he's got to be up there and he's got to be totally unhinged and

751
00:35:38.340 --> 00:35:42.059
capable of what he, well, what are you mentioning, does do taking

752
00:35:42.059 --> 00:35:46.139
over the world, which I guess the others never quite did succeed.

753
00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:47.159
No.

754
00:35:47.219 --> 00:35:51.119
Like I said, I don't think you can watch Delgado and think that

755
00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:53.460
that's what's going on in his head, but we're bringing the

756
00:35:53.460 --> 00:35:56.760
masterback for a new audience and we have to give him something

757
00:35:56.760 --> 00:35:59.880
just a little bit more than he's the doctor's Moriarty for no

758
00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:02.639
particular reason, which was our previous backstory.

759
00:36:03.179 --> 00:36:07.199
And look, the audience seemed to like it because the ratings go up

760
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:09.119
between this episode and the next substantially.

761
00:36:09.179 --> 00:36:12.480
I think it's an amazing, like an amazing spectacle.

762
00:36:12.539 --> 00:36:17.340
And I think giving the doctor 2 companions to confront it, having

763
00:36:17.340 --> 00:36:20.460
you know, other people who we care about, having this all kind of

764
00:36:20.460 --> 00:36:25.679
built up to in this amazing way, it does feel like an old

765
00:36:25.019 --> 00:36:29.579
fashioned multi-part story, just because it's been going on for so

766
00:36:29.579 --> 00:36:29.940
long.

767
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:32.039
It works really well, I think.

768
00:36:32.099 --> 00:36:37.019
This is by now, even now, a familiar villain and a familiar

769
00:36:37.019 --> 00:36:40.500
environment, and I think it just works terrifically well.

770
00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:41.820
Well, we've had the buildup.

771
00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:46.019
We had last week and then this is building, like it's really, it

772
00:36:46.019 --> 00:36:47.639
really is stepping it up to another level.

773
00:36:47.699 --> 00:36:49.860
And obviously we get up to the valiant.

774
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:55.739
The president elect is killed by the chocolate fane.

775
00:36:55.800 --> 00:37:00.420
Again, another moment I don't particularly like, which is where

776
00:37:00.420 --> 00:37:02.880
John Sim is, what's he doing?

777
00:37:02.940 --> 00:37:06.659
I've got something here Oh, when he zips and unzips his mouth.

778
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:08.760
I hate that.

779
00:37:08.820 --> 00:37:09.480
I hate that.

780
00:37:09.539 --> 00:37:10.679
I kind of like that.

781
00:37:10.739 --> 00:37:12.059
Yeah, yeah, I would agree.

782
00:37:12.539 --> 00:37:15.659
Well, because he doesn't give a crap about the last president of

783
00:37:15.659 --> 00:37:16.440
the United States.

784
00:37:16.500 --> 00:37:18.000
And that's an incredible scene.

785
00:37:18.059 --> 00:37:19.860
That is the same scene that we were talking about before.

786
00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:21.239
The scene on the tarmac.

787
00:37:21.300 --> 00:37:27.000
And by now, the doctor, Jack, and Martha have been so successfully

788
00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:33.360
defeated by the master that they have to resort to not being

789
00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:34.139
seen.

790
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:36.000
So they've got this perception filter thing.

791
00:37:36.059 --> 00:37:38.099
And I think perception filter is a brilliant name for the

792
00:37:38.099 --> 00:37:41.159
technology because it is a real thing that we have in our head.

793
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:47.940
And so they're outside of society, they can't interact with anyone

794
00:37:47.940 --> 00:37:51.360
they've been successfully expelled from the world, and they're

795
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:54.239
there watching him, and he's being annoying.

796
00:37:54.300 --> 00:37:59.639
He's being a childish, you know, dick to the president because he

797
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:00.300
doesn't care.

798
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:01.559
He's not cowed by him.

799
00:38:01.619 --> 00:38:05.579
Yeah, I, you know, I just, it is a mask. because I think he knows

800
00:38:05.579 --> 00:38:07.739
that they're there when he's standing there on that term, actually

801
00:38:07.739 --> 00:38:09.179
senses and he knows what's going on.

802
00:38:09.300 --> 00:38:13.380
And that wonderful thing where the wind blows open his jacket and

803
00:38:13.380 --> 00:38:18.480
it's all lined in red. like, you know, like Pertuise cape or

804
00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:18.659
something.

805
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:23.340
It's a great shot and a great moment and one of his best moments.

806
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:25.199
And it is.

807
00:38:25.260 --> 00:38:25.980
It's the mask.

808
00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:29.159
It's the same mask that Tenant has, that that comedy silly

809
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:29.699
performance.

810
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:35.099
See, I love it when he welcomes the Joneses out of the van and

811
00:38:35.099 --> 00:38:38.460
he's rubbing his hands and dancing from foot to foot and spreading

812
00:38:38.460 --> 00:38:40.139
his arms out and laughing and stuff.

813
00:38:40.260 --> 00:38:41.699
Yeah, that's wonderful.

814
00:38:41.820 --> 00:38:44.280
I'm very inconsistent about what I like and don't like, but

815
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:46.320
there's certain things where I just think, oh, can you just rain

816
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:47.280
it back just a little?

817
00:38:47.340 --> 00:38:48.360
Oh, yeah, yeah.

818
00:38:48.420 --> 00:38:49.619
I just I don't want him to write it back.

819
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:51.659
I want it to be as huge as possible, I think.

820
00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:52.260
Yeah.

821
00:38:52.260 --> 00:38:58.139
So the president elect line. was Russell misunderstanding what the

822
00:38:58.139 --> 00:38:59.519
term president elect means.

823
00:38:59.579 --> 00:39:02.460
Yeah He is the president.

824
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:04.320
You know, president-elect in the...

825
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:05.699
Waiting to be...

826
00:39:05.699 --> 00:39:08.760
The president, like Donald Trump before he took power with

827
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:11.760
President... president is the president.

828
00:39:11.820 --> 00:39:12.599
Yeah.

829
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:15.300
It's just that he's misused the term.

830
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:16.440
Yeah.

831
00:39:16.500 --> 00:39:18.300
He thinks it just means elected president.

832
00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:20.219
He's wonderful.

833
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:22.440
He's got a very George Bush kind of feel to him.

834
00:39:22.500 --> 00:39:24.179
He's clearly very dim.

835
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:26.099
Do you remember him in Broken News?

836
00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:28.860
He was like the kind of dumb American newsreader in the sort of

837
00:39:28.860 --> 00:39:29.699
American cable channel?

838
00:39:29.820 --> 00:39:30.780
IBS News.

839
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:33.719
The IBS. syndrome?

840
00:39:34.019 --> 00:39:36.599
With Claudia Christian.

841
00:39:36.659 --> 00:39:37.679
Yeah, it's wonderful.

842
00:39:37.739 --> 00:39:40.980
If you can find it, there's only sort of 6 episodes.

843
00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:42.000
That sounds crazy.

844
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:43.440
It's really good.

845
00:39:43.500 --> 00:39:47.219
And, you know, that line about welcoming the master to the planet

846
00:39:47.219 --> 00:39:50.460
Earth and it's associated moon, which I just think is absolutely

847
00:39:50.460 --> 00:39:51.300
brilliant.

848
00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:54.539
And, you know, if God wants you to have mastery over me.

849
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:57.300
He's kind of a sort of dimwitted George Bush character.

850
00:39:57.360 --> 00:39:58.920
I'm rolling my eyes.

851
00:39:58.980 --> 00:39:59.699
Yes.

852
00:39:59.699 --> 00:40:00.659
Yes, it is.

853
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:02.039
You're totally right, Nathan.

854
00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:04.800
And it is part of that great tradition of killing off.

855
00:40:04.860 --> 00:40:10.800
We, as we've observed each time, we kill off the Prime Minister of

856
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:16.079
Great Britain in every single one of RTD's Doctor Who series, we

857
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:19.139
do actually properly kill off the Prime Minister next week, but

858
00:40:19.139 --> 00:40:22.079
for one brief, glorious moment, we thought we'd escalated to the

859
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:25.619
President of the United States for series three.

860
00:40:29.699 --> 00:40:35.039
Yeah, so we have already decided that ageing makeup is this

861
00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:39.840
season's BBC foam machine is going to occur over and over again.

862
00:40:39.900 --> 00:40:43.500
This is the 2nd time we've seen tenant in ageing makeup this

863
00:40:43.500 --> 00:40:44.340
season.

864
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:48.599
I've been watching these on the upscale Blu-ray versions, which

865
00:40:48.599 --> 00:40:51.300
are not kind to the ageing makeup.

866
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:56.400
So the ageing makeup for tenant in this story was actually based

867
00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:58.800
on William Hartnell.

868
00:40:58.860 --> 00:40:59.519
I've read that.

869
00:40:59.579 --> 00:41:00.300
Is that true though?

870
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:02.039
Do you think aged up?

871
00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:05.820
Because William Hart, oh, it's not that old, but they specifically

872
00:41:05.820 --> 00:41:07.199
went, Billy.

873
00:41:07.260 --> 00:41:10.380
Let's let's try and make him look like Bill Hartle.

874
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:14.699
I think too, giving the master a thing that's very time-laudy, you

875
00:41:14.699 --> 00:41:17.639
know, that's about time that's about suppressing regenerations.

876
00:41:17.699 --> 00:41:20.880
Like, think of how time laudy this master is.

877
00:41:20.940 --> 00:41:22.199
We've seen him regenerate.

878
00:41:22.260 --> 00:41:24.539
We've seen him steal a TARDIS.

879
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:27.780
Um, you know, he does timelordy things.

880
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:32.280
And now his next job, the one thing that we know that timelords do

881
00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:37.380
is be the star of the BBC television program, Doctor Who.

882
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:40.500
And so that's the next thing that the master's going to manage to

883
00:41:40.500 --> 00:41:45.239
do, and he does it by rendering, the doctor unable to do that job

884
00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:49.260
anymore, unable to run up and down corridors, unable to, you know

885
00:41:49.260 --> 00:41:54.179
be funny and witty, and he gets to take over and be the most fun

886
00:41:54.179 --> 00:41:55.619
and entertaining thing in the room.

887
00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:58.920
I, you know, like I think, I think it's great.

888
00:41:58.980 --> 00:42:01.500
I think that this is the moment where he takes over a star of the

889
00:42:01.500 --> 00:42:01.739
show.

890
00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:06.239
And, you know, like our original DVD box sets have a picture of

891
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:11.400
John Sim on one of them as if he has even taken over. on the back

892
00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:11.699
cover.

893
00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:14.579
Yeah, yeah, he's on the back cover as if he's taken over the

894
00:42:14.579 --> 00:42:14.760
show.

895
00:42:14.820 --> 00:42:19.739
Well, yes, I mean, he, he, from this point on to the cliffhanger

896
00:42:19.739 --> 00:42:23.699
we've got him showing Martha bringing in her family, he's in

897
00:42:23.699 --> 00:42:24.480
control there.

898
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:29.280
He says, if I told you the truth, your hearts would break to the

899
00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:32.760
doctor, we've got a bit of an illusion to, oh, there's a mystery

900
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:34.019
here with the talk of Fane.

901
00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:40.380
Suddenly we've got, here come the drums, sorry, voodoo child, by

902
00:42:40.380 --> 00:42:43.079
the rogue traders, and they're dancing around.

903
00:42:43.260 --> 00:42:45.659
Lucy's dancing around.

904
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:46.679
Fantastic.

905
00:42:46.739 --> 00:42:49.739
She's so out of it. foot shuffling.

906
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:50.159
Yeah, yeah.

907
00:42:50.219 --> 00:42:51.300
She's off her face on value.

908
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:51.900
Yeah, yeah.

909
00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:52.739
Valiant.

910
00:42:52.980 --> 00:42:56.400
Those fumes are pretty intoxicating aren't they?

911
00:42:56.460 --> 00:43:00.179
I have to have my little fanboy moment and say I'm just finally

912
00:43:00.179 --> 00:43:03.840
glad that Captain Jack has a role in this universe as Captain

913
00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:04.559
Scarlett.

914
00:43:04.619 --> 00:43:07.079
I know we said it before, but it's really is Captain Scarlet.

915
00:43:07.139 --> 00:43:07.380
Yeah.

916
00:43:07.380 --> 00:43:08.460
Tweet, tweak.

917
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:09.179
It's wonderful.

918
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:11.699
Same wooden acting too, go on.

919
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:17.639
Our heroes are so much on the back foot. you know, Martha exit

920
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:21.239
stage, right, but there's that glimmer of hope that when she says

921
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:21.960
I'm coming back.

922
00:43:22.019 --> 00:43:26.219
I just think it's deliciously delivered by Freeman.

923
00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:27.960
She is.

924
00:43:28.019 --> 00:43:30.539
How do you feel about that favourite in this one?

925
00:43:30.659 --> 00:43:33.960
She is the help me Obi-Wan Kenobi.

926
00:43:34.019 --> 00:43:36.059
Like she's, she is the doctor's only hope.

927
00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:37.380
Like, she is the only...

928
00:43:37.500 --> 00:43:37.980
How do I feel?

929
00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:43.260
I think this is this episode might be Martha's most shining moment

930
00:43:43.260 --> 00:43:46.920
in the entire season.

931
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:50.099
I think she is just that phenomenal in this episode.

932
00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:52.980
I have more to say about performance next week.

933
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:54.179
That'll be interesting, yeah.

934
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:55.860
I think you have to remember...

935
00:43:55.860 --> 00:43:58.260
You know how people were quite harsh on her at the time. was

936
00:43:58.260 --> 00:43:59.940
basically her 1st acting role.

937
00:44:00.059 --> 00:44:05.280
So, like, I think you could actually see her like her acting

938
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:06.840
growing in this season.

939
00:44:07.139 --> 00:44:10.679
You actually get to a point towards the end of the series where

940
00:44:10.679 --> 00:44:15.239
she kind of finds her feet and I think it's in this episode.

941
00:44:15.420 --> 00:44:20.400
I think she's quite amazing in this, but I'm prepared to go on the

942
00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:22.860
record before next week's episode to say that I think she's

943
00:44:22.860 --> 00:44:23.880
amazing next week as well.

944
00:44:23.940 --> 00:44:26.940
I'm not saying she's not, but I don't like the performance next

945
00:44:26.940 --> 00:44:27.840
week compared to this.

946
00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:32.280
What we haven't talked about marches a Toclafane.

947
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:37.139
And they're not real as far as the doctor knows.

948
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:41.099
And I do think it's telling, but there are 6000000000 of them.

949
00:44:41.159 --> 00:44:44.699
And that's the 1st hint that they're us because there's the same

950
00:44:44.699 --> 00:44:48.119
number of Toclophane as there are of us in 2007.

951
00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:49.980
I think we're probably more than that in 2007.

952
00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:51.900
But that's the number that we had in our heads.

953
00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:56.400
And so it's already a hint that they're us.

954
00:44:56.460 --> 00:45:00.059
And then the master says that the identity of the talkophane will

955
00:45:00.059 --> 00:45:01.500
break the doctor's heart.

956
00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:04.980
And so that's a kind of another indication.

957
00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:09.659
But there, of course, the monsters that were devised for Dalek, for

958
00:45:09.659 --> 00:45:11.280
absence of the Daleks.

959
00:45:11.340 --> 00:45:12.960
The absence.

960
00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:13.920
Yeah, yeah.

961
00:45:13.980 --> 00:45:18.119
So when in series one, Rob Schumann was writing the Dalek episode

962
00:45:18.119 --> 00:45:20.820
we weren't sure we were going to have the rights to the Daleks.

963
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:24.840
Yeah, so they were trying to negotiate with Tony Nations Estate.

964
00:45:25.260 --> 00:45:29.760
Very late in the day, like they were unsure that they would get

965
00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:30.000
them.

966
00:45:30.059 --> 00:45:34.440
But did you know they also were planned at one point to be used in

967
00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:35.219
the station pit?

968
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:35.820
Right.

969
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:36.360
Right.

970
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:37.019
Talk to phone.

971
00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:39.000
I'm glad that didn't happen.

972
00:45:39.059 --> 00:45:42.360
I do think that we'll find out next week that they're a great idea

973
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:44.280
that there is something about them.

974
00:45:44.340 --> 00:45:45.780
All of, you know, the best.

975
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:47.639
Jerry Anderson's for finest villains.

976
00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:51.960
But I mean, all of the best Doctor Who villains are people that

977
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:54.179
have gone wrong under some kind of moral pressure.

978
00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:56.280
Does that make Francine Zelda?

979
00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:02.699
But back to, you're saying, the writing in this episode, all the

980
00:46:02.699 --> 00:46:06.000
little setups, like from the archangel network, to what you were

981
00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:08.579
just saying there, to the TARDIS being, the paradox machine

982
00:46:08.579 --> 00:46:11.039
there's all these little subtle things that Russell is doing that

983
00:46:11.039 --> 00:46:14.820
you don't actually see where it's going and it's really very

984
00:46:14.820 --> 00:46:15.599
clever writing.

985
00:46:15.659 --> 00:46:16.440
Yeah.

986
00:46:16.500 --> 00:46:18.179
And it comes together next week, in a way.

987
00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:21.179
Like people always say, you know, Russell doesn't set things up

988
00:46:21.179 --> 00:46:21.659
properly.

989
00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:24.780
We needed another lead and exposition scene in order to sell this

990
00:46:24.780 --> 00:46:26.340
development at the end of the episode.

991
00:46:26.400 --> 00:46:29.699
But this one is absolutely no one can say that.

992
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:32.159
And Russell writes about that in the writer's tale.

993
00:46:32.219 --> 00:46:34.380
He doesn't want to stop for a dumb exposition scene.

994
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:37.739
He knows that as viewers, we've watched TV before.

995
00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:38.760
We don't need that.

996
00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:41.400
And it's not what Russell's interested in.

997
00:46:41.460 --> 00:46:43.980
But here, I think it's incredibly well set up.

998
00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:45.719
Everything comes together amazingly well.

999
00:46:45.780 --> 00:46:49.019
And as you've said, like the master is now the star of the show, he

1000
00:46:49.019 --> 00:46:51.480
gets the voiceover at the end of the episode, even though the

1001
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:55.019
close-up goes onto the doctor's phase, which looks like nothing

1002
00:46:55.019 --> 00:46:56.699
like William Hartnell, can I just say?

1003
00:46:56.760 --> 00:46:57.900
At all.

1004
00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:00.659
Well, I did just watch the 3 doctors on the Blu-ray.

1005
00:47:01.980 --> 00:47:07.139
Actually, we've been talking about paradels to the old series, but

1006
00:47:07.139 --> 00:47:09.780
I think you've both just hit on a really interesting point that

1007
00:47:09.780 --> 00:47:14.460
this is antithetical to the 70s.

1008
00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:17.820
And perhaps we look at the reason that Pertwiz area was so

1009
00:47:17.820 --> 00:47:21.719
maligned, and it probably is that the ever presence of Basil

1010
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:22.320
exposition.

1011
00:47:22.380 --> 00:47:26.880
It's not pertly, and it's certainly not Delgado, but they do a lot

1012
00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:29.579
of action figures standing around telling you what the scene's all

1013
00:47:29.579 --> 00:47:29.820
about.

1014
00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:33.599
And that may actually just come down to the way that drama was

1015
00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:34.079
written then.

1016
00:47:34.139 --> 00:47:37.019
I mean, there's a lot of people standing around, whether it be the

1017
00:47:37.019 --> 00:47:39.780
bridge of a ship or, you know, a hamlet or quarry, that they're

1018
00:47:39.780 --> 00:47:40.380
all standing outside.

1019
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:41.400
And they say, what happens there?

1020
00:47:41.460 --> 00:47:42.719
And then I'll tell you what happens next.

1021
00:47:42.780 --> 00:47:44.820
I mean, we get a fair amount of that.

1022
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:46.500
We have the conversation on the phone.

1023
00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:50.159
We have them sitting around talking about the master's backstory.

1024
00:47:50.219 --> 00:47:51.300
But quickly get that.

1025
00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:53.280
And they're doing things while they're doing it.

1026
00:47:53.340 --> 00:47:54.420
Moving about.

1027
00:47:54.539 --> 00:47:58.380
I just smell there's so much clever writing.

1028
00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:01.199
There's so much serendipity here with decisions that have been

1029
00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:06.719
made previous seasons or even this season that everything just

1030
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:08.159
comes together in this episode.

1031
00:48:08.219 --> 00:48:10.619
And well, where do you go from here?

1032
00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:39.659
Well, there is nowhere off to find a shelter somewhere and stock

1033
00:48:39.659 --> 00:48:42.900
up on some tennis racquets and baseball bats and things, so

1034
00:48:42.900 --> 00:48:46.019
there's every chance we'll survive until next week, when we'll be

1035
00:48:46.019 --> 00:48:47.760
covering Last of the Time Lords.

1036
00:48:47.820 --> 00:48:51.239
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts

1037
00:48:51.239 --> 00:48:54.059
and you can keep up with us at Flightthrough Entirety on Facebook

1038
00:48:54.059 --> 00:48:57.059
at FTE podcast on Twitter, and on our website

1039
00:48:57.059 --> 00:49:00.059
FlightthroughEntirety.com, where you'll find links to our other

1040
00:49:00.059 --> 00:49:02.760
podcasts, Bondfinger, and Jody Into Terror.

1041
00:49:02.820 --> 00:49:06.659
Until next time, remember there's no such thing as the

1042
00:49:06.659 --> 00:49:07.619
Toclophane.

1043
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:12.420
It's just a made up word. like Tory or Brexit or carbon.

1044
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:14.820
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1045
00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:15.599
Good night.

1046
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:16.440
See you soon.

1047
00:49:16.500 --> 00:49:17.039
Good then.

1048
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:24.420
That was Flight to Entirety, starring Todd Bilby, Nathan Bottomley

1049
00:49:24.420 --> 00:49:25.800
James Selwood, and Richard Stone.

1050
00:49:25.860 --> 00:49:28.860
Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, Strings performance by Jane

1051
00:49:28.860 --> 00:49:29.639
Orberg.

1052
00:49:29.699 --> 00:49:32.940
This episode, this is what you were voting for, was recorded on

1053
00:49:32.940 --> 00:49:36.480
the 22nd of September 2019 and released on the 1st of December.

1054
00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:42.900
If you've been finding all this backslapping and relentless

1055
00:49:42.900 --> 00:49:45.960
appreciation rather tiresome, please tune in next week for some

1056
00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:49.019
furious disagreement about the quality of the universally loved

1057
00:49:49.019 --> 00:49:52.079
series 3 finale, Last of the Time Lords.

1058
00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:56.820
He likes the sound of his own drums.

1059
00:49:56.940 --> 00:49:58.199
The sound of my own drums.

1060
00:49:58.260 --> 00:50:04.619
Today is the 22nd of September, and we are recording the sound of

1061
00:50:04.619 --> 00:50:05.099
drums.

1062
00:50:06.780 --> 00:50:09.420
You should just do a podcast on the song.

1063
00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:12.179
Don't you think?

1064
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:13.019
No?

1065
00:50:13.079 --> 00:50:13.559
What song?

1066
00:50:13.619 --> 00:50:14.219
Awesome.

1067
00:50:14.219 --> 00:50:16.139
Beauty, tumble the drums here comes.

1068
00:50:16.199 --> 00:50:16.619
Yeah, that one.

1069
00:50:16.980 --> 00:50:18.659
Who's sang it?

1070
00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:19.980
I don't know Morgan.

1071
00:50:19.980 --> 00:50:22.500
Natalie Basser thing, a thing waits band.

1072
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:24.059
Basset finger.

1073
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:25.139
I haven't heard at all.

1074
00:50:25.260 --> 00:50:26.820
The rouge traders.

1075
00:50:26.880 --> 00:50:27.480
Oh, thank you.

1076
00:50:27.539 --> 00:50:28.199
I'm sorry.

1077
00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:29.820
The rogue traders.

1078
00:50:30.179 --> 00:50:34.320
When they were 1st on American radio.

1079
00:50:34.380 --> 00:50:36.780
Yes. on me recording.

1080
00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:38.519
Yeah, yeah, this could be a tag.

1081
00:50:38.579 --> 00:50:39.599
You might say something funny.

1082
00:50:39.659 --> 00:50:42.719
Yeah, but the rogue traders went their 1st on American radio

1083
00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:50.699
somebody misspelt the entry on the, on the, on the digital radio

1084
00:50:50.699 --> 00:50:54.780
sort of master file as rouge traders. lovely.

1085
00:50:54.840 --> 00:50:55.260
Yeah.

1086
00:50:55.320 --> 00:51:01.739
I have to say that you are doing very well there, James, with that

1087
00:51:01.739 --> 00:51:02.400
mark technique.

1088
00:51:03.360 --> 00:51:06.179
Okay, it's all downhill from here.

1089
00:51:06.300 --> 00:51:07.079
It is.

1090
00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:11.639
Shall I start?

1091
00:51:11.699 --> 00:51:14.460
Please do, if you must.

1092
00:51:14.940 --> 00:51:18.840
I'm all nervous now. putting me off.

1093
00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:20.340
Okay.

1094
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:26.099
That was Chan's fault.

1095
00:51:26.159 --> 00:51:27.480
Why is it my fault?

1096
00:51:27.599 --> 00:51:29.280
Help me now, listeners.

1097
00:51:29.340 --> 00:51:30.000
Okay.

1098
00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:35.460
Oh, are we a point of thank you for reminding me.

1099
00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:37.800
A point of, I don't know, logic.

1100
00:51:37.860 --> 00:51:39.119
Is it listeners or listener?

1101
00:51:39.539 --> 00:51:42.179
It's normally dear listener?

1102
00:51:42.239 --> 00:51:45.000
Because there's only ever one person listening, you know, at a

1103
00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:45.239
time.

1104
00:51:45.300 --> 00:51:46.860
It's the way the Beeb does it.

1105
00:51:46.980 --> 00:51:48.059
I don't care.

1106
00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:51.000
I think it's nicer to say, for me, it's nicer to say listener

1107
00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:53.400
because it feels like you're talking to them personally.

1108
00:51:53.460 --> 00:51:55.980
Yes, but I don't do I don't do that.

1109
00:51:56.039 --> 00:51:57.539
I always do listeners, do you?

1110
00:51:57.599 --> 00:51:58.920
I do. don't want change that?

1111
00:51:58.980 --> 00:52:00.239
No, it's tag scene.

1112
00:52:00.900 --> 00:52:02.699
All right, okay.

1113
00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:04.980
You're getting me irritated already, Richard.

1114
00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:06.960
That might be good, though.

1115
00:52:07.019 --> 00:52:10.320
I don't want to be irritated for this episode You got to work up

1116
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:12.239
to it so I can be irritated for the next episode.

1117
00:52:12.300 --> 00:52:13.679
I like the next episode.

1118
00:52:13.739 --> 00:52:14.880
Yes, but you like everything.

1119
00:52:14.940 --> 00:52:16.019
No, I don't.

1120
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:17.460
I have very good time.

1121
00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:20.579
And I don't like the massacre.

1122
00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:22.559
We mentioned that.

1123
00:52:22.860 --> 00:52:25.380
I still think it's one of the best groups.

1124
00:52:25.500 --> 00:52:26.760
Yeah, probably is.

1125
00:52:26.940 --> 00:52:29.280
I'm relentlessly low brown.

1126
00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:30.000
Massacre.

1127
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:31.199
Well, middle brown.

1128
00:52:31.260 --> 00:52:32.579
Not my opinion, please.

1129
00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:33.119
Stolart.

1130
00:52:33.179 --> 00:52:34.800
All right, we're all in a mood. lets go.

1131
00:52:34.860 --> 00:52:36.239
Okay.

1132
00:52:36.300 --> 00:52:37.380
Yep, good.

1133
00:52:37.500 --> 00:52:38.280
That's what we want.

1134
00:52:41.340 --> 00:52:44.820
Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight through Entirety.