WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 14:30:57 1 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:43.320 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flightthrough Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast that's only really a profile piece. 2 00:00:43.380 --> 00:00:46.920 You know, hair and clothes and nonsense. 3 00:00:46.979 --> 00:00:48.119 I'm Nathan. 4 00:00:48.179 --> 00:00:48.960 I'm James. 5 00:00:49.020 --> 00:00:50.039 I'm Todd. 6 00:00:50.039 --> 00:00:57.420 And, ooh, I'm a Terrahawk Zeroid chock fold of daimonte Kitty fans for this one. 7 00:00:57.479 --> 00:01:05.819 Well, it's our 3rd annual end of the world, and who could possibly have imagined that it would be at the hands of the prime minister of Great Britain. 8 00:01:05.939 --> 00:01:07.500 Yeah, a guest. 9 00:01:07.560 --> 00:01:15.840 So we're planning to run and skulk and lurk for a bit until we can find somewhere warm and dry to sit down and discuss the sound of drugs. 10 00:01:34.140 --> 00:01:42.480 All right, so Harold Saxon is the master, and he has just been elected Prime Minister of Great Britain. 11 00:01:42.540 --> 00:01:45.060 And he has a wife and he has a wife. 12 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:46.500 How do we feel about that? 13 00:01:48.480 --> 00:01:59.159 Well, Stephen Moffatt actually does make that joke, doesn't he, in time crash a little bit later on, the master's rubbish beard and he's clearly referring to Lucy Saxon there. 14 00:01:59.219 --> 00:02:18.360 I think that this is something pretty amazing, and I do think that this episode was broadcast, you know, just a matter of days before Tony Blair resigns, and you have to think that John Sim is another Tony Blair. 15 00:02:18.419 --> 00:02:19.139 Very much so. 16 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:20.580 Yeah, so he's young. 17 00:02:20.639 --> 00:02:22.919 But with far more charm. 18 00:02:22.979 --> 00:02:24.599 And I would say ability. 19 00:02:24.659 --> 00:02:31.379 Well, he's sort of young and charming. everyone voted for him for some reason, but no one can remember why. 20 00:02:32.759 --> 00:02:35.759 He's kind of a middle way, isn't he? 21 00:02:35.819 --> 00:02:36.900 Like he's a 3rd way. 22 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:39.180 He's not Labour or Tory. 23 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:40.319 He's in the middle somewhere. 24 00:02:40.379 --> 00:02:42.180 But with even more war crimes. 25 00:02:43.139 --> 00:02:51.000 And that's the thing, you know, so at the end of the episode, 1000000000s of bombs descent from the sky, wiping people out. 26 00:02:51.060 --> 00:03:00.840 And next week we're going to see him kind of turning all of Europe into, you know, like a giant missile launching pad. 27 00:03:00.900 --> 00:03:10.620 So this is Russell at his angriest, I think, at Blair, even angrier than when he killed him and stuffed him in a cup in Aliens of London 2 years ago. 28 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:14.759 I've forgotten about that. 29 00:03:14.819 --> 00:03:15.539 Yeah, yeah. 30 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:20.280 So this is you know, much more political, I think, than we're generally inclined to think of it. 31 00:03:20.340 --> 00:03:23.879 We've already been through the Congress of the willing. 32 00:03:23.939 --> 00:03:25.560 We were congressional in that past. 33 00:03:25.620 --> 00:03:27.419 We were being Australians. 34 00:03:27.479 --> 00:03:30.840 Yeah, so, you know, the full fat lie that was being discussed. 35 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:38.879 I would like to think that had something to do with the destruction of Harold Saxon's reign in whatever this year was in 2017. 36 00:03:39.060 --> 00:03:45.180 But we'd already got to the point that no war crimes and indeed war hardware just makes you look purposeful. 37 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:45.900 Yes. 38 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:47.280 That's right. 39 00:03:47.340 --> 00:03:49.620 They get things done, they slot, don't they? 40 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:58.860 Well, this might have actually been the turning point in our Western history where we actually did quite like the idea of a Charlemagne, but with more knifey things and elephants. 41 00:03:58.919 --> 00:04:06.659 I was actually hunting on Google, like trying to find whether anyone else had decided that Harold Saxon was Tony Blair. 42 00:04:06.719 --> 00:04:20.699 And I did find an article that referenced sound of drums, a fairly recent article and said that it was very notable and memorable as a depiction of Tony Blair that for once wasn't being done by Michael Sheen. 43 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:28.019 Actually, they've got the same waxy, polished, putrescent quality, haven't they? 44 00:04:28.079 --> 00:04:33.300 There's something that's really so fecundly ripe that you don't want to poke at too much because you know it'll exude. 45 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:35.220 It is wonderful seeing him. 46 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:36.420 That's just his performance. 47 00:04:36.540 --> 00:04:36.959 Yes. 48 00:04:36.959 --> 00:04:38.639 It's wonderful seeing him. 49 00:04:38.699 --> 00:04:39.839 So we see him on the screen. 50 00:04:39.899 --> 00:04:41.399 Very soon after they arrive. 51 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:48.660 So they arrive on earth in the present day, we don't see them escaping from last week's cliffhanger, and very soon they see him on television. 52 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:57.180 And I think we discover or have discovered that it is only 4 days since Leo's birthday party. 53 00:04:57.240 --> 00:05:01.620 So Tish has, we were speculating about this earlier on in the season. 54 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:07.500 But Tish has literally had the most impressive week career wise. 55 00:05:08.579 --> 00:05:09.899 Yes, we've been talking about this. 56 00:05:09.959 --> 00:05:15.000 Her job resume and the jobs that she goes through and how she, yeah, and what she's doing in her week. 57 00:05:15.060 --> 00:05:16.680 Yeah, no, it's one hell of a week. 58 00:05:16.740 --> 00:05:23.040 I mean, Harold Saxon's clearly been engineering it because we discover that Harold Saxon was behind the Lazarus experiment. 59 00:05:23.100 --> 00:05:28.379 Professor Lazarus mentions him in the episode and we get another reference to it this week. 60 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:32.220 There are so many nasty... 61 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:33.480 Well, should you say nasty? 62 00:05:33.540 --> 00:05:39.060 Let's just say visceral RTD nods to what millennials expectations are as well. 63 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:40.560 You know he's looking at all of us. 64 00:05:40.620 --> 00:05:42.120 Well, slightly younger than us saying. 65 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:45.180 This is what you think a career path is going to be for you, don't you? 66 00:05:45.240 --> 00:05:46.500 Just you wait. 67 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:49.319 There's either that line. 68 00:05:49.379 --> 00:05:56.399 How did you think that you got the job so quickly just on your talent? 69 00:05:56.399 --> 00:05:57.720 And she bankly looks at him. 70 00:05:57.779 --> 00:05:58.620 Yeah, well, I'm pretty. 71 00:05:59.160 --> 00:06:01.560 What do we think of John Simm? 72 00:06:01.620 --> 00:06:02.399 Let's go straight in. 73 00:06:02.459 --> 00:06:03.959 We saw him very briefly last week. 74 00:06:04.019 --> 00:06:06.240 How do we feel about him as the master in this episode? 75 00:06:06.420 --> 00:06:09.779 I think he's my least favourite master of all time. 76 00:06:09.839 --> 00:06:11.100 Oh, edgy. 77 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:13.319 Less than Anthony Ainley. 78 00:06:13.379 --> 00:06:16.920 Less than what's his face from the beginning of the TV movie. 79 00:06:16.980 --> 00:06:18.060 Gordon Tippet. 80 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:19.980 Oh yeah, he was stunning. 81 00:06:20.220 --> 00:06:24.540 The other one from the Pet Shop Boys always wears a hat. 82 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:29.220 No. house in London is all glass floors. 83 00:06:29.279 --> 00:06:31.379 You don't want to go there if you, you know, have had a few. 84 00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:33.899 James, why is he your least favourite? 85 00:06:34.019 --> 00:06:35.160 Yeah, why is it your least favourite? 86 00:06:35.220 --> 00:06:36.660 I don't know. 87 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:43.560 It's just, I liked him at the time, but he's been surpassed by Michelle Gomez. 88 00:06:43.620 --> 00:06:44.100 Yeah. 89 00:06:44.100 --> 00:06:46.620 I think when he's brought back. 90 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:48.600 We're getting ahead of ourselves. 91 00:06:48.660 --> 00:06:52.019 He's much more masterly. 92 00:06:52.079 --> 00:06:59.040 I think it's one of those things where whenever anybody comes into a role, they do it a certain way. 93 00:06:59.100 --> 00:07:08.519 And if you look at Tenant or Matt Smith or whatever, the 1st couple of episodes that they do, there's certain things that then they reign back and they change, right? 94 00:07:08.579 --> 00:07:11.220 And I think here he's got to make an impact immediately. 95 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:16.680 I mean, he's following on from last week with Derek Jacobi being the master. 96 00:07:16.740 --> 00:07:24.660 So he's got a, you know, he's putting his stamp on what it is and the script is written in a certain way to make a contrast between what was last week and what was this week. 97 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:29.339 I absolutely and utterly loathed him back in 2007. 98 00:07:29.459 --> 00:07:33.240 I hated him beyond all belief. can tell where this is going. 99 00:07:33.779 --> 00:07:35.639 I hated him. 100 00:07:35.699 --> 00:07:37.319 Why did you did you really? 101 00:07:37.379 --> 00:07:49.439 Because he was just so over the top and I just, and the one scene, which I still don't like, is when he starts pulling all those funny faces in the cabinet and he's about to kill off the, um, the cabinet. 102 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:53.279 And, uh, he's doing his thumbs up staff and pulling all those funny cases. 103 00:07:53.279 --> 00:07:55.560 And I just, I still don't like that sequence. 104 00:07:55.620 --> 00:07:56.819 I think it's too far. 105 00:07:56.939 --> 00:08:03.360 We've had all these things saying it's been around for 18 months and but we don't see it. 106 00:08:03.420 --> 00:08:04.379 It's all just said. 107 00:08:04.439 --> 00:08:08.459 So there's, the 1st thing you see is this big over the top. 108 00:08:08.519 --> 00:08:15.600 I'm, you know, destroying all these people, but we don't see the restraint that he's had in the last 18 months. 109 00:08:15.660 --> 00:08:17.639 I mean, to be fair, I don't think we can see that. 110 00:08:17.699 --> 00:08:18.899 Oh, no, no, no. 111 00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:21.899 That's one of the things to do with the plotting of the script. 112 00:08:21.899 --> 00:08:30.000 And where Russell is taking us with the conclusion of this season that you can't get around that because of the decisions that are made in terms of the story sequencing. 113 00:08:30.060 --> 00:08:41.100 But that one sequence in the whole episode, it just set me off back in 2007, 2008, and from that point in time, I just could not see anything, but over the top. 114 00:08:41.159 --> 00:08:41.879 Yeah. 115 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:47.639 See, for me, that nailed that he was poultering our tenant. 116 00:08:47.700 --> 00:08:50.340 Yeah, he was really doing tenant in that scene. 117 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:52.559 And that's what he has to do. 118 00:08:52.620 --> 00:08:54.000 He has to be tenant. 119 00:08:54.059 --> 00:08:55.799 And he's always the shadow of the doctor. 120 00:08:55.860 --> 00:09:02.220 But to go back to what you were saying is that we've now obviously seen more stories with him. 121 00:09:02.279 --> 00:09:07.440 And so when I came back to watch this, I edited that out of my head, that sequence. 122 00:09:07.500 --> 00:09:10.799 And I said, I want to see what you're doing in all the other sequences, which I've sort of blotted out. 123 00:09:10.919 --> 00:09:16.019 And I just think that he's absolutely and utterly stunning. 124 00:09:16.139 --> 00:09:17.220 I think he's perfect. 125 00:09:17.340 --> 00:09:18.539 There is subtlety. 126 00:09:18.600 --> 00:09:27.779 There are moments of stillness, like on the tarmac and other one-liners, which are just fed in. and it's, it is, I've totally changed my mind. 127 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:30.179 Totally, listeners, believe it or not. 128 00:09:30.659 --> 00:09:35.820 And I absolutely adore him in this episode. 129 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:44.700 I think that they haven't got the master right since Delgado, and the reason is, and we said this at the time, you know, Delgado is just pert we only foreign. 130 00:09:44.759 --> 00:09:48.419 And Sim needs to be tenant. 131 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:53.340 You know, he needs to be a mirror of the doctor and particularly for new fans. 132 00:09:53.399 --> 00:09:58.679 He can't just be some guy with a BBC press on beard, which is what Ainley goes. 133 00:09:58.740 --> 00:10:01.620 He has to be the doctor. 134 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:09.299 And so they choose someone who is the star of the other big science fiction television program at the time. 135 00:10:09.299 --> 00:10:10.679 Life on Mars. 136 00:10:10.740 --> 00:10:11.220 Yeah. 137 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:14.879 And so the threat is in this 2 parter. 138 00:10:14.940 --> 00:10:23.639 And it sort of happens that the master takes over from the doctor as the most fun and interesting thing to watch. 139 00:10:23.700 --> 00:10:34.740 And our reaction, our initial reaction to John Sim is a little bit like an old school fan's initial reaction, say, to Tennant or Smith. 140 00:10:34.799 --> 00:10:45.059 You know, the reaction that the war doctor has in Day of the Doctor about how these kids are running around pretending to be the doctor with their timey, whimey, and their giant sonic screwdrivers. 141 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:46.679 Am I having a midlife crisis? 142 00:10:46.740 --> 00:10:47.580 Yeah, yeah. 143 00:10:47.639 --> 00:10:49.799 So he needs to be like tenant. 144 00:10:49.860 --> 00:10:52.019 And so I agree with you. 145 00:10:52.139 --> 00:10:57.240 That scene, I quite like the, you know, the tapping on the table and the gas mask stuff and all of that. 146 00:10:57.299 --> 00:11:02.220 But when he does the, when I'm being serious, I'm like this and when I'm not being serious, I'm like that. 147 00:11:02.279 --> 00:11:06.240 I was more on board with that this time, but I didn't much like that at the time. 148 00:11:06.299 --> 00:11:12.480 I thought that that was a little bit mischarged, but it's just of a piece with this fantastic, fantastic performance. 149 00:11:13.259 --> 00:11:19.500 When, um, Vivian Rook is killed by the Choclafane, and he opens and closes that door. 150 00:11:19.559 --> 00:11:21.059 I absolutely adore that. wonderful. 151 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:22.980 See, I just, I hate that. 152 00:11:23.100 --> 00:11:25.440 It's so good. 153 00:11:25.500 --> 00:11:26.879 Like, yes. 154 00:11:26.879 --> 00:11:31.500 I, you know, look, I know that's the way you're supposed to feel. 155 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:33.960 It's supposed to say, you know, this man is evil. 156 00:11:34.019 --> 00:11:38.820 Look at how he's treating this woman's like horrible murder. 157 00:11:38.879 --> 00:11:40.620 What would Tony and Chari have done? 158 00:11:40.679 --> 00:11:41.879 Yeah, precisely that. 159 00:11:41.940 --> 00:11:43.320 They would have done exactly that. 160 00:11:45.419 --> 00:11:55.379 But I just, like, in that sort of 4 or 5 minutes that she's in the episode, I really warmed that character. which is what you're supposed to do. 161 00:11:55.440 --> 00:11:55.799 I know. 162 00:11:55.860 --> 00:11:57.720 And then she's horribly murdered. 163 00:11:57.779 --> 00:12:00.360 And I just, it, it really upsets. 164 00:12:00.419 --> 00:12:01.500 But that's Russell. 165 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:03.059 That's a deliberate choice by Rose. 166 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:04.620 Russell, that's not John Sims' performance. 167 00:12:04.679 --> 00:12:12.779 And the fact that he's sort of biting his finger or, you know, pulling a funny face as he opens the door 2 or 3 times to have her still screaming, that's really funny. 168 00:12:12.840 --> 00:12:19.860 He is he knows he's on television and he's treating the death like a sort of comedy cartoon death. 169 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:24.659 But I love the moments just before that when she's talking to Lucy. 170 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:28.620 And then it pulls back and he's standing there quietly and subtly. 171 00:12:28.620 --> 00:12:31.200 It's just a brilliant moment. 172 00:12:31.259 --> 00:12:39.120 And Lucy is completely unhinged, but she appears to be completely in control, but she's, but she's obviously... 173 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:42.179 Lucy isn't just the British television audience. 174 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:44.399 Lucy isn't just Susan for this episode. 175 00:12:44.460 --> 00:12:49.200 She's actually the voting public that voted Tony Blair. 176 00:12:49.259 --> 00:12:50.759 Sorry, Harold Saxon in. 177 00:12:50.820 --> 00:12:52.080 It's funny how those two. 178 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:53.820 But do you agree? 179 00:12:53.879 --> 00:13:02.159 Because that for me is the moment that this episode actually crunches and goes cold metal in my heart when there is the appeal to Lucy's. 180 00:13:02.220 --> 00:13:04.620 It's not very kind to the Tories, is it? 181 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:09.299 Even though we know that he's not necessarily a Tory, but there's that moment of, I've accepted my privilege. 182 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:11.159 I've signed for. 183 00:13:11.220 --> 00:13:15.419 So now I'm ready to do what must be done to the Panama and sewers. 184 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:18.179 Oh, I'm sorry, no, I'm not the queen, that what must be done too. 185 00:13:18.179 --> 00:13:20.100 To establish my power. 186 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:22.139 She's a horrible, horrible poshka. 187 00:13:22.259 --> 00:13:24.899 I actually think no, well, I tend to disagree. 188 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:31.559 I think she's just a person who's realised that a mammal that like the rest of us who's realised our comfort and security comes before. 189 00:13:32.700 --> 00:13:42.659 Can I just put in that Friday, I went to the march with, I think, 3000000 other people, 4000000 other people for the climate change, a year after that little 16 year old girl. 190 00:13:42.720 --> 00:13:43.740 Thank you, great time. 191 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:45.539 That's the difference. 192 00:13:45.659 --> 00:13:55.320 But for the rest of us, and for people even on the feed on the holy book of face was saying, you know, relatives of mine were saying, well, the rest of us were at work, so the children would have a job. 193 00:13:55.379 --> 00:13:56.580 Yeah, yeah. 194 00:13:56.639 --> 00:13:57.480 I actually got that. 195 00:13:57.779 --> 00:14:01.320 Yeah, but no, I get it. terrified. 196 00:14:01.379 --> 00:14:01.860 Yeah. 197 00:14:01.860 --> 00:14:04.980 So and and and terror demands comfort. 198 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:23.820 And we will see more of that next week because we do find what it is, what has happened to Lucy, that has turned her into this kind of weird shell of a person who is all just sort of posh girl performance, but has nothing left inside her at all and much like this podcast. 199 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:32.039 I thought she was actually, at the time, I thought she looked a bit like Kylie Minogue from various views. 200 00:14:32.100 --> 00:14:34.080 Given another couple of weeks. 201 00:14:34.139 --> 00:14:41.879 Like, please stay video and yes, but then, of course, Kylie does turn up in a couple of weeks and looks absolutely nothing like her with terrible hair. 202 00:14:41.940 --> 00:14:43.080 Well, Kylie's my age. 203 00:14:43.500 --> 00:14:50.460 But I think, is it Alexandra's performance as Lucy is just sublime? 204 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:54.120 She just supports John Sims so well and it's just lovely having that contrast. 205 00:14:54.120 --> 00:15:00.299 And, yeah, he has just shone and just shot up in my opinion in this episode. 206 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:12.840 Do you know the one moment of performance that just made my blood run cold is where he's looking at the camera and the camera is absolutely conspiring with him and he goes, peoples of the earth. 207 00:15:12.899 --> 00:15:14.940 Please attend carefully. 208 00:15:15.059 --> 00:15:18.120 And he knows it's a quote from Lagopolis. 209 00:15:18.179 --> 00:15:19.259 He's doing its camera. 210 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:22.200 The camera moves in on him as he says it. 211 00:15:22.259 --> 00:15:23.940 He's so excited by it. 212 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:26.399 And, you know, he's displacing the doctor. 213 00:15:26.460 --> 00:15:28.860 He offers Lucy a jelly baby as well. 214 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:33.240 And there's no way that that isn't just, I'm going to be the doctor. 215 00:15:33.299 --> 00:15:39.179 And not only that, I'm going to be the most compelling and charismatic doctor, you know, in the history of the show. 216 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:42.059 And that's the threat that the master poses. 217 00:15:42.120 --> 00:15:48.600 And what this does, is it has him having an incredibly successful plan. 218 00:15:48.659 --> 00:15:50.159 And we have never seen that before. 219 00:15:50.220 --> 00:15:55.559 Think about season 8 where every month he was being foiled by the doctor. 220 00:15:55.620 --> 00:15:57.899 I totally and utterly agree with you. 221 00:15:57.960 --> 00:16:02.039 This is the 1st time ever that he actually gets his plan to succeed. 222 00:16:02.100 --> 00:16:04.080 It never has succeeded. 223 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:07.200 Ainley was just like, you know, thrown away with rubbish plots. 224 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:13.200 And and Paul Roger Delgado, you just knew that it was, you know, we get to a point where it's all just going to go belly up. 225 00:16:13.259 --> 00:16:23.159 And this is the 1st time where he's succeeding at every single point along the way, you know, when he talks about the medical student and the bomb is already there. 226 00:16:23.220 --> 00:16:24.299 He's manipulated. 227 00:16:24.360 --> 00:16:27.659 Jeffrey Beaver's wasn't unsuccessful, was he? 228 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:30.419 No, but the scale of what he was doing. 229 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:32.580 I mean, he's mostly powerless. 230 00:16:32.639 --> 00:16:33.179 Yeah. 231 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:42.659 Whereas he, just the massive scale of it, that he's doing it in front of the entire world and we get to see what the master would do if he won. 232 00:16:43.019 --> 00:16:46.019 It's not that different from right now. 233 00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:55.620 So Stephen Moffat had this thing about Missy, where he had to have her kill people fairly frequently because otherwise we would like her too much. you know? 234 00:16:55.679 --> 00:16:57.720 We still, it didn't work. 235 00:16:57.779 --> 00:17:01.379 We still loved her enormously, especially when she could kill Chris Addison. 236 00:17:01.440 --> 00:17:02.279 Yeah, yeah. 237 00:17:02.340 --> 00:17:05.099 But having him just kill the cabinet. 238 00:17:05.160 --> 00:17:16.859 And, you know, at the end of the episode, he kills 600000000 people, you know, like it's super, super bleak and horrible. 239 00:17:16.859 --> 00:17:19.019 And he's just incredibly great. 240 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:21.420 This is the best we've ever seen the master. 241 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:26.940 It might not be the best performance, like maybe Delgado is better sometimes. 242 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:31.319 But I just think this is an extraordinary story for the master. 243 00:17:31.380 --> 00:17:37.799 But in the same moment, he also fulfils Doctor Who's educational remit by explaining what decimate means. 244 00:17:37.859 --> 00:17:38.819 Yes, he does. 245 00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:39.180 Thank you. 246 00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:40.859 Tom moment, was it? 247 00:17:49.920 --> 00:18:05.759 I love the fact that subtly in the plot, no, we talk about the doctor says as if he's mesmerised the world and we're using current technology with the whole archangel network. so that he's still, the master was always sort of hypnotic. 248 00:18:05.819 --> 00:18:13.440 Like, there's all these subtle threads back to how he was with Roger Delgado that we're as classic series fans are going to pick up on. 249 00:18:13.500 --> 00:18:26.099 And the 1st time through, I think I was just so sort of like stunned at the overchop performance and that, a lot of things, these subtleties that Russell has been threading through things over various episodes. 250 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:34.259 I just didn't pick up on, which is why I loved this episode even more than I, like, this has improved so much for me. 251 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:36.119 This is besides blink. 252 00:18:36.180 --> 00:18:37.799 This is my favourite episode of the season. 253 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:45.180 The reason the master works now for the reboot of the series is the reason the series is working. 254 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:49.380 We've come to, correct me if you, you know, disagree. 255 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:57.180 Come to see the whole of Doctor Who, which I call real Doctor Who, as in 63 took. 256 00:18:57.359 --> 00:19:05.099 It never ended. is because it belonged in its own alternate time, if you like. 257 00:19:05.160 --> 00:19:10.980 And it belonged to the BBC world of Penelope Keith was just up the road and Tom and Barbara were just next door. 258 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:18.000 It was a lovely universe where things, even when they went horribly wrong, would always be corrected, and everyone who was in charge was essentially okay. 259 00:19:18.059 --> 00:19:20.160 And there were a few awful characters. 260 00:19:20.220 --> 00:19:23.759 There were a few, but there was always a lovely Sir Charles, if there was going to be a war machine. 261 00:19:23.819 --> 00:19:28.259 You always had someone reliable, even whatever side of politics. everyone was pretty much decent. 262 00:19:28.799 --> 00:19:32.640 But there was still contemporaneity. 263 00:19:32.700 --> 00:20:13.619 And we, and certainly by the late 70s and into the 80s, and even before JNT, we had that sense of things are starting to actually change and unravel, and we've mentioned Green Death, and we've mentioned the Peladon, EU, EC, crisis, and such like, but we're now at a point where things have moved so far in reality, in this truth, politics, in the environment, just the fact that we now, I would say there was a really good piece in the Guardian last week on the end of Western democracy and what We now accept as gross fallacies, gross mistruths and utter, in fact, denial of the humanity of many of 264 00:20:13.619 --> 00:20:21.180 the peoples that we once, you know, either in the colony or the way that we produce arms and that's how we make our money or, hi, Harold Saxon. 265 00:20:21.240 --> 00:20:25.740 We are now so complicit in this, we are actually Lucy Saxon. 266 00:20:25.799 --> 00:20:27.660 We are completely Lucy Saxon. 267 00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:31.859 It is our responsibility that this has all happened. 268 00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:39.180 And this is, because I love Russell, because even when he talks about his childhood, he goes to the very, very darkest place. 269 00:20:39.240 --> 00:20:43.079 I don't think you can ever underestimate how dark Russell's thinking actually is. 270 00:20:43.079 --> 00:20:45.000 Years and years proves it for all of us. 271 00:20:45.059 --> 00:20:50.700 Years and years is actually just this show. these 3 episodes. 272 00:20:50.759 --> 00:20:54.420 Just put slightly outside the valiant down onto earth. 273 00:20:54.480 --> 00:20:55.259 It's the same thing. 274 00:20:55.319 --> 00:21:02.339 So yeah, Russell is really pointing the blame at us and that's why it's uncomfortable and really entrancing to watch. 275 00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:07.740 So, I mean, the original master is sort of part of the establishment. 276 00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:11.460 And although he sort of kills people occasionally. 277 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:13.440 Like the empire did. 278 00:21:13.500 --> 00:21:14.279 Yeah, he is. 279 00:21:14.279 --> 00:21:15.720 It was for a just course. 280 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:19.259 He's still he's still not quite a monster. 281 00:21:19.319 --> 00:21:29.160 It's not until Hinchcliffe brings him back as, you know, yet another sort of long dead kind of threat from the distant past that he actually tries to sort of destroy the whole planet. 282 00:21:29.579 --> 00:21:36.660 Sorry, I think Hinchcliffe was doing that just as a naughty stabbed Terrence Dixon, Barry Lee, to say, this is what your show was like. 283 00:21:36.720 --> 00:21:38.279 Hingebeef? 284 00:21:38.339 --> 00:21:39.420 What do you think it's Robert Holmes? 285 00:21:39.480 --> 00:21:40.319 Well, I think it's both. 286 00:21:40.440 --> 00:21:46.500 But before that, the master was always sort of rather tame and he was part of the ensemble in season eight. 287 00:21:46.559 --> 00:21:49.500 And if you look at all the press photos and stuff like that. 288 00:21:49.559 --> 00:21:51.359 It's like he's a regular character. 289 00:21:51.420 --> 00:21:57.900 And he does risk rather being kind of a bit neutered. 290 00:21:57.900 --> 00:22:08.700 And, you know, we see him working alongside unit a couple of times and it is, I think, indicative of the kind of trust of the establishment that we had back in the 70s. 291 00:22:08.759 --> 00:22:10.440 And now that's all unmoored. 292 00:22:10.500 --> 00:22:24.059 And now that we've had, you know, very recently, a British Prime Minister openly telling lies about Iraq's capabilities and encouraging sort of a massive war that killed 100s of 1000s of people. 293 00:22:24.119 --> 00:22:31.740 So when the master comes back, and he comes back as the establishment, he's a monster. 294 00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:41.640 And however, sort of his public persona is and however entertaining he is, Russell makes sure that he keals just huge numbers of people. 295 00:22:41.700 --> 00:22:49.019 And it will only escalate next week, the sort of things that he's described as having done next week are appalling. 296 00:22:49.019 --> 00:23:00.240 And all the time he's dancing about in his kind of giant palace up in the sky completely invulnerable, you know, lying to and manipulating the public that voted for him. 297 00:23:00.299 --> 00:23:08.880 And I think this is a better conception of the master because it doesn't have that trust to the establishment that informs the previous master. 298 00:23:08.940 --> 00:23:12.119 I think the previous master's too cosy and too domestic. 299 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:16.680 But he's still quite happy to send the torture team off to the Himalayas and not actually just kill them off. 300 00:23:16.740 --> 00:23:20.759 Well, yeah, and that, again, is a sort of comedy cartoon thing, isn't it? 301 00:23:20.819 --> 00:23:22.380 It's like, well, why aren't tortured here? 302 00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:23.819 Well, because it's not that show. 303 00:23:23.819 --> 00:23:26.279 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 304 00:23:26.339 --> 00:23:28.380 And so he does it in a sort of comedy way. 305 00:23:28.440 --> 00:23:30.720 And we can't kill them off because... 306 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:32.339 Well, they've got to do that. 307 00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:34.019 They got to do that themselves. 308 00:23:34.140 --> 00:23:35.700 Well, exactly. 309 00:23:39.599 --> 00:23:42.779 So we're back in Martha's apartment. 310 00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:44.759 Very high ceilings. 311 00:23:44.819 --> 00:23:46.440 She does have very nice things. 312 00:23:46.500 --> 00:23:47.339 How do you get that thing in there? 313 00:23:48.900 --> 00:23:51.480 I've always wanted a police box in the bedroom. 314 00:23:51.539 --> 00:24:09.059 We've got this team of Martha and Jack and the doctor, which was introduced last week, and I think it was a great chemistry between them all last week, and it's great to see them all working together again, and her bond with Jack. 315 00:24:09.180 --> 00:24:11.640 They're in Martha's bedroom. 316 00:24:11.700 --> 00:24:15.359 The doctor is trying to work out what the master's doing. 317 00:24:15.420 --> 00:24:30.359 We've got that whole sequence, which I think is a joyous sequence where you've got Vivian interviewing Lucy and giving her all the information about Harold Saxon's not real at the same time as the doctor is working all that out in parallel, which I always like in storytelling. 318 00:24:30.420 --> 00:24:35.880 We have that next week as well, a very similar thing where 2 plot threads converge on the same kind of revelation. 319 00:24:35.940 --> 00:24:45.180 And of course, then the whole, you know, the master is again 20 steps ahead and has planted this bomb behind the television, which I just think is hilarious. 320 00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:47.099 A magpie television, did you notice? 321 00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:48.119 Yeah. 322 00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:48.779 Electricals. 323 00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:53.819 I think that this stuff now is really great and now we go into a political thriller. 324 00:24:53.880 --> 00:25:00.480 I think it's one of Martha's most superb moments as well. where she's got this great relationship with the doctor going. 325 00:25:00.539 --> 00:25:06.299 And then the moment her family's under threat, she just turned straight to him and says, you know, don't tell me what to do. 326 00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:08.700 That is a fantastic moment, Nathan. 327 00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:09.839 She's so good then. 328 00:25:09.900 --> 00:25:12.660 And the doctor knows better than to tell her what to do. 329 00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:14.339 And so he just goes along with her. 330 00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:17.160 But suddenly we're being chased by the government. 331 00:25:17.220 --> 00:25:20.700 There are bombs exploding and people firing machine guns and stuff. 332 00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:27.420 So most of most of those car chase scenes are actually freeman driving instead of her stunt double. 333 00:25:27.420 --> 00:25:36.059 With the visual effects supervisor sandwiched between David and John Barriman. 334 00:25:36.059 --> 00:25:37.140 In the backseat? 335 00:25:37.140 --> 00:25:42.480 Because her driving was far more terrifying than any stunt arranger could have done themselves. 336 00:25:42.539 --> 00:25:44.640 Setting off all the little explosions. 337 00:25:44.700 --> 00:25:47.759 I think that this sort of thread of the plot really works. 338 00:25:47.819 --> 00:25:51.420 I just think it's not something Doctor Who gets to do a lot often. 339 00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:52.319 That's wonderful. 340 00:25:52.319 --> 00:25:53.039 It's terrific. 341 00:25:53.099 --> 00:25:58.200 The closest we've had is Mike Yates backing up into a trench in Planet of the Spine. 342 00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:07.799 I'd love the people coming for Francine and Clive and sort of and, you know, herding them into the back of a truck and stuff. 343 00:26:07.859 --> 00:26:23.880 And her trying to manipulate, like, it's, you know that thing, there's a meme, you know, like, you're being held hostage by someone, what would you tweet that would make it clear to everyone that you were being held hostage without kind of giving the game away? 344 00:26:23.940 --> 00:26:31.619 And, you know, like I would tweet, I'm now about to sit down and watch my favourite Doctor Who episode of the 1960s, you know, the massacre. 345 00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:34.140 And what, um, what Frances? 346 00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:35.339 I would just feel you've come round. 347 00:26:35.400 --> 00:26:39.839 What Francine's tweet is, Clive and I are getting back together. 348 00:26:40.500 --> 00:26:43.380 Your father might give it another go. 349 00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:44.700 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 350 00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:48.420 Have you noticed their whole run feels like an episode of This Is Your Life? 351 00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:52.619 And it's the way Saxon introduces them, the family, but the whole thing. 352 00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:59.099 But then it ends with the chitty, chitty, bang, bang childcatcher, throwing them into the back of the van and they're pulling exactly the same faces. 353 00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:07.619 And it backs up your theory about this episode because what they're saying is they're being bundled into the van to their neighbours who are watching it happen. 354 00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:11.099 They're saying you voted for Harold Saxon. 355 00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:12.779 This is what you were voting for. 356 00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:15.180 When I originally watched this. 357 00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:20.039 I just thought, you bitch about Martha's mum because I hated her so much. 358 00:27:20.099 --> 00:27:27.779 But now, of course, coming into it, I see how manipulated that she's been and how unconvinced she is, but has she made the right decision? 359 00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:30.000 She's still 2nd guessing herself. 360 00:27:30.059 --> 00:27:34.980 And I mean, I think it's great that Clive is the one that tells Martha to just run. 361 00:27:35.099 --> 00:27:38.160 Like he's not a great husband, but he's a wonderful father. 362 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:45.059 And then Francine's, oh, but I helped was helping you out, but I helped you whatever she had to say. 363 00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:50.640 And at the same time, Martha is just telling the doctor off, you know, it's all your fault and all that sort of stuff. 364 00:27:50.700 --> 00:27:55.380 It's just magnificent and really well acted by Francine. 365 00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:56.700 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 366 00:27:56.759 --> 00:27:57.599 No, she's really something. 367 00:27:57.660 --> 00:27:59.460 But Francine wanted security. 368 00:27:59.579 --> 00:28:01.380 She voted for the safety of her family. 369 00:28:01.500 --> 00:28:04.619 Well, I think she didn't vote for Saxon, though, because... 370 00:28:04.619 --> 00:28:05.220 Oh, no, she does. 371 00:28:05.220 --> 00:28:06.599 I voted for you. 372 00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:09.660 Typical British boating public. 373 00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:15.359 When she's when she confronts the sinister woman or the mysterious woman. 374 00:28:15.420 --> 00:28:17.279 Is she sinister or mysterious? 375 00:28:17.339 --> 00:28:18.180 Eloise. 376 00:28:19.019 --> 00:28:20.220 Yeah, sinister woman. 377 00:28:20.279 --> 00:28:21.119 Sinister woman. 378 00:28:21.180 --> 00:28:24.059 And she says, I'm not going to tell you who I voted for. 379 00:28:24.059 --> 00:28:29.220 And she's certainly playing it like she's saying that she didn't vote for Sax. 380 00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:31.859 When she's sort of packing up at the end of 42. 381 00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:35.099 She is quite hostile, I think. 382 00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:42.000 And perhaps because she is being manipulated, she realises she's being manipulated into ratting on her daughter. 383 00:28:42.059 --> 00:28:56.279 Yes, it's the 1st time that I begin to feel a bit of sympathy for her, because she's dawning on her what she's done. she had that series of unfortunate events to be manipulated into this situation and she's now going, have I done the right thing, I probably haven't. 384 00:28:56.339 --> 00:29:00.599 And again, this is reinforced here when she screams out, I was helping you. 385 00:29:00.660 --> 00:29:01.440 Yeah. 386 00:29:01.500 --> 00:29:03.180 And she's terrified. 387 00:29:03.420 --> 00:29:06.779 Her and Clive are both terrified in the kitchen with those people around, I think. 388 00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:08.099 And she should be. 389 00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:13.380 I don't know that any of us in the same situation with children would behave any differently. 390 00:29:13.500 --> 00:29:14.099 Yeah. 391 00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:18.420 Well, certainly one of her biggest characteristics is how protective she is of her daughter. 392 00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:25.140 And that continues, you know, all the way to sort of stolen earth when we next see her. 393 00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:30.359 She absolutely has Martha's safety as her 1st priority. 394 00:29:30.420 --> 00:29:36.779 The whole family is, um, obviously Tish is arrested and then Martha phones Leo. 395 00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:41.220 Of course, he's not available because he's off doing whatever top of the pops or something like that. 396 00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:42.059 Whatever he's doing. 397 00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:48.779 So then it means that the storyline has to be written so that he's off in Brighton, but he manages to get into hiding. 398 00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:56.759 But of course, that leads the master is listening into that telephone conversation. which then leads into that wonderful exchange between the doctor and the master. 399 00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:01.319 I think that too, it's better than the big one that we get next week. 400 00:30:01.380 --> 00:30:05.220 It's the only time, like they don't actually sort of properly meet until the end of the episode. 401 00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:09.119 And it's the one where they get to catch up. 402 00:30:09.180 --> 00:30:13.559 We actually see what's been happening with both of them since the last great time war. 403 00:30:13.619 --> 00:30:18.720 Yeah, I mean, there's a bit of an info dump like the time once resurrected me, you know. 404 00:30:18.779 --> 00:30:26.099 But it's good to have that moment because we only see the dobby doctor or the doctor in really old makeup. 405 00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:32.519 So it's nice to have Tenant and Sim go have a one-on-one at this point in the story. 406 00:30:32.579 --> 00:30:33.900 Yeah. 407 00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:36.240 It is interesting too, isn't it? 408 00:30:36.299 --> 00:30:40.500 Because what fascinates the master is that the doctors killed everyone. 409 00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:49.920 But he also starts talking about the constant drumming in his head, which, again, is this very subtle thing with Russell. going to come into play, obviously, a bit further down the track. 410 00:30:49.980 --> 00:30:56.519 And at the time, you just think it's related to like the story title or whatever, you don't really see the bigger picture. 411 00:30:56.579 --> 00:31:06.059 I think, um, there's so much going on in that phone call. especially when he starts saying, like, does he say it or is it on the news that they tick every... 412 00:31:06.059 --> 00:31:11.640 No, he says they tick every demographic box and he calls him the girly and the freak, but I'm not going to say which one is weird. 413 00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:14.519 We're right here. 414 00:31:15.180 --> 00:31:18.119 That's right. much like this podcast. 415 00:31:18.180 --> 00:31:20.339 No denial on this corner. 416 00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:33.240 I think we get some really great stuff with the Dr. Jack and Martha when they're on the run. 417 00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:34.559 I like 2 more of that, yeah. 418 00:31:34.619 --> 00:31:35.640 I love those. 419 00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:36.480 The Scooby crew. 420 00:31:36.539 --> 00:31:38.099 You know, they're eating chips. 421 00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:40.980 Jack's revealing that he works for Torchwood. 422 00:31:40.980 --> 00:31:51.599 The doctor describes standing in the great schism or whatever with that Gormless child that plays the master who actually played young David Tennant in Casanova. 423 00:31:51.660 --> 00:31:54.900 Oh, I think he's showing and was in Tortured as well. 424 00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:59.759 Yeah, yeah, some, some, yeah, obviously the kid of someone involved. 425 00:31:59.819 --> 00:32:04.200 But I do like that the Scooby gang are constantly referencing Rose Tyler's mouth. 426 00:32:04.259 --> 00:32:07.559 It's either chips going in or what did you say about the Great Cavern? 427 00:32:07.859 --> 00:32:10.019 Thank you, Rich. 428 00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:15.720 But also, you know, the whole archangel network and the rhythm is everywhere. 429 00:32:15.779 --> 00:32:26.819 All this stuff that's been alluded to is just getting explained, and then we get the 3 Tartar's key concept, which I really quite like, and that leads to the bit of bonding between Martha and Jack over. 430 00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:29.400 It's like you fancy someone and they don't even know you exist. 431 00:32:29.460 --> 00:32:30.900 And Jack says you too. 432 00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:32.400 Oh, see, I love that. 433 00:32:32.460 --> 00:32:33.059 I think that's great. 434 00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:37.980 And that kind of takes the sting a little bit out of that stupid subplot that we've been contending with all year. 435 00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:39.839 Can we unpack some things there? 436 00:32:39.900 --> 00:32:49.200 So we get a backstory with the master where at the age of 8 and we have, you know, it's now canonical that time lords have childhoods, you know, and stuff like that. 437 00:32:49.259 --> 00:32:51.660 Russell kind of humanises them a bit. 438 00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:55.079 Lala did that for us Yes, we had time tots, didn't we? 439 00:32:56.099 --> 00:32:58.559 But woven from a loom. 440 00:32:58.619 --> 00:33:00.059 No, they're not woven from a loop. 441 00:33:00.180 --> 00:33:06.119 They might still be, but no, they still had time nannies and time attics where they would sit up there and read time Beatrix boxes. 442 00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:08.279 That's exactly. 443 00:33:08.339 --> 00:33:15.480 But the so the untempered schism, they all look into the untempered schism and it drives the master mad. 444 00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:21.720 And what the master gets as a result of that is he has the Doctor Who theme going on in his head. 445 00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:23.039 Right, parenting there, O Lords. 446 00:33:23.099 --> 00:33:23.640 Yeah, yeah. 447 00:33:23.700 --> 00:33:25.380 I mean, I think that's intentional. 448 00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:27.119 I think we're meant to feel that's terrible. 449 00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:32.460 The Russell has claimed that that has nothing to do with the Doctor Who theme is actually the sign of his alarm clock. 450 00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:35.579 Yes, well, but he doesn't get the final say on this. 451 00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:40.380 No, everyone else kind of reads it as the Doctor Who theme. and I think there's some... 452 00:33:40.380 --> 00:33:42.539 You can drive a child about... 453 00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:44.339 We're right here. 454 00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:45.839 See, I don't really like that. 455 00:33:45.900 --> 00:33:51.420 Like, you know, is the master mad from that point on or does it take a number of years to manifest? 456 00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:59.700 Well, I think that it is the thing where he reinvents in some way each of the elements of the old show that he brings back. 457 00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:04.619 And I don't think, and I think El Sandefer says this at some point as well. 458 00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:13.139 I don't think that you can see Roger Delgado larking about on the set of the clause of Axos and imagine that he's got drumming going on in his... 459 00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:14.699 Not unless they slipped in a tab or two. 460 00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:17.340 But I, you know, I think Katie might have been up for it. 461 00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:18.659 You know. 462 00:34:18.659 --> 00:34:21.239 Have a mushroom. have too. 463 00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:24.000 But Welsh, it's good for you. 464 00:34:24.059 --> 00:34:45.239 But what drives the master then is time, that the destruction that the master reeks is the same destruction that time eventually reeks, that he has been affected by the time vortex, and he goes around dedicating himself to destruction. 465 00:34:45.300 --> 00:34:47.940 And we saw last episode. 466 00:34:48.059 --> 00:34:53.760 What destroyed all those conglomerations on the planet Malcasero? 467 00:34:53.820 --> 00:34:55.619 It was just time, just time. 468 00:34:55.679 --> 00:35:01.440 So the destruction that the master is committed to is Kylie Minogue's hair. 469 00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:03.840 Well, that was time too. 470 00:35:03.900 --> 00:35:05.940 So it is all about time. 471 00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:18.360 And I think that that just makes the master a little bit more epic, a little bit less of a cartoon villain who, you know, does things just to annoy the doctor or to entertain the audience. 472 00:35:18.420 --> 00:35:19.500 He's there. 473 00:35:19.739 --> 00:35:23.400 It's a peculiarly time-lord way of being villainous. 474 00:35:23.460 --> 00:35:25.199 Look, I get your point. 475 00:35:25.260 --> 00:35:33.900 And they've got to make the master a threat equal to and greater than the previous 2 major villains, the dialects and the cybermen. 476 00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:46.139 So he's got to be up there and he's got to be totally unhinged and capable of what he, well, what are you mentioning, does do taking over the world, which I guess the others never quite did succeed. 477 00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:47.159 No. 478 00:35:47.219 --> 00:36:02.639 Like I said, I don't think you can watch Delgado and think that that's what's going on in his head, but we're bringing the masterback for a new audience and we have to give him something just a little bit more than he's the doctor's Moriarty for no particular reason, which was our previous backstory. 479 00:36:03.179 --> 00:36:09.119 And look, the audience seemed to like it because the ratings go up between this episode and the next substantially. 480 00:36:09.179 --> 00:36:12.480 I think it's an amazing, like an amazing spectacle. 481 00:36:12.539 --> 00:36:29.940 And I think giving the doctor 2 companions to confront it, having, you know, other people who we care about, having this all kind of built up to in this amazing way, it does feel like an old-fashioned multi-part story, just because it's been going on for so long. 482 00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:32.039 It works really well, I think. 483 00:36:32.099 --> 00:36:40.500 This is by now, even now, a familiar villain and a familiar environment, and I think it just works terrifically well. 484 00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:41.820 Well, we've had the buildup. 485 00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:47.639 We had last week and then this is building, like it's really, it really is stepping it up to another level. 486 00:36:47.699 --> 00:36:49.860 And obviously we get up to the valiant. 487 00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:55.739 The president elect is killed by the chocolate fane. 488 00:36:55.800 --> 00:37:02.880 Again, another moment I don't particularly like, which is where John Sim is, what's he doing? 489 00:37:02.940 --> 00:37:06.659 I've got something here Oh, when he zips and unzips his mouth. 490 00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:08.760 I hate that. 491 00:37:08.820 --> 00:37:09.480 I hate that. 492 00:37:09.539 --> 00:37:10.679 I kind of like that. 493 00:37:10.739 --> 00:37:12.059 Yeah, yeah, I would agree. 494 00:37:12.539 --> 00:37:16.440 Well, because he doesn't give a crap about the last president of the United States. 495 00:37:16.500 --> 00:37:18.000 And that's an incredible scene. 496 00:37:18.059 --> 00:37:19.860 That is the same scene that we were talking about before. 497 00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:21.239 The scene on the tarmac. 498 00:37:21.300 --> 00:37:34.139 And by now, the doctor, Jack, and Martha have been so successfully defeated by the master that they have to resort to not being seen. 499 00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:36.000 So they've got this perception filter thing. 500 00:37:36.059 --> 00:37:41.159 And I think perception filter is a brilliant name for the technology because it is a real thing that we have in our head. 501 00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:54.239 And so they're outside of society, they can't interact with anyone, they've been successfully expelled from the world, and they're there watching him, and he's being annoying. 502 00:37:54.300 --> 00:38:00.300 He's being a childish, you know, dick to the president because he doesn't care. 503 00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:01.559 He's not cowed by him. 504 00:38:01.619 --> 00:38:09.179 Yeah, I, you know, I just, it is a mask. because I think he knows that they're there when he's standing there on that term, actually, senses and he knows what's going on. 505 00:38:09.300 --> 00:38:18.659 And that wonderful thing where the wind blows open his jacket and it's all lined in red. like, you know, like Pertuise cape or something. 506 00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:23.340 It's a great shot and a great moment and one of his best moments. 507 00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:25.199 And it is. 508 00:38:25.260 --> 00:38:25.980 It's the mask. 509 00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:29.699 It's the same mask that Tenant has, that that comedy silly performance. 510 00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:40.139 See, I love it when he welcomes the Joneses out of the van and he's rubbing his hands and dancing from foot to foot and spreading his arms out and laughing and stuff. 511 00:38:40.260 --> 00:38:41.699 Yeah, that's wonderful. 512 00:38:41.820 --> 00:38:47.280 I'm very inconsistent about what I like and don't like, but there's certain things where I just think, oh, can you just rain it back just a little? 513 00:38:47.340 --> 00:38:48.360 Oh, yeah, yeah. 514 00:38:48.420 --> 00:38:49.619 I just I don't want him to write it back. 515 00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:51.659 I want it to be as huge as possible, I think. 516 00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:52.260 Yeah. 517 00:38:52.260 --> 00:38:59.519 So the president elect line. was Russell misunderstanding what the term president elect means. 518 00:38:59.579 --> 00:39:02.460 Yeah He is the president. 519 00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:04.320 You know, president-elect in the... 520 00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:05.699 Waiting to be... 521 00:39:05.699 --> 00:39:11.760 The president, like Donald Trump before he took power with President... president is the president. 522 00:39:11.820 --> 00:39:12.599 Yeah. 523 00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:15.300 It's just that he's misused the term. 524 00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:16.440 Yeah. 525 00:39:16.500 --> 00:39:18.300 He thinks it just means elected president. 526 00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:20.219 He's wonderful. 527 00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:22.440 He's got a very George Bush kind of feel to him. 528 00:39:22.500 --> 00:39:24.179 He's clearly very dim. 529 00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:26.099 Do you remember him in Broken News? 530 00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:29.699 He was like the kind of dumb American newsreader in the sort of American cable channel? 531 00:39:29.820 --> 00:39:30.780 IBS News. 532 00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:33.719 The IBS. syndrome? 533 00:39:34.019 --> 00:39:36.599 With Claudia Christian. 534 00:39:36.659 --> 00:39:37.679 Yeah, it's wonderful. 535 00:39:37.739 --> 00:39:40.980 If you can find it, there's only sort of 6 episodes. 536 00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:42.000 That sounds crazy. 537 00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:43.440 It's really good. 538 00:39:43.500 --> 00:39:51.300 And, you know, that line about welcoming the master to the planet Earth and it's associated moon, which I just think is absolutely brilliant. 539 00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:54.539 And, you know, if God wants you to have mastery over me. 540 00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:57.300 He's kind of a sort of dimwitted George Bush character. 541 00:39:57.360 --> 00:39:58.920 I'm rolling my eyes. 542 00:39:58.980 --> 00:39:59.699 Yes. 543 00:39:59.699 --> 00:40:00.659 Yes, it is. 544 00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:02.039 You're totally right, Nathan. 545 00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:04.800 And it is part of that great tradition of killing off. 546 00:40:04.860 --> 00:40:25.619 We, as we've observed each time, we kill off the Prime Minister of Great Britain in every single one of RTD's Doctor Who series, we do actually properly kill off the Prime Minister next week, but for one brief, glorious moment, we thought we'd escalated to the President of the United States for series three. 547 00:40:29.699 --> 00:40:39.840 Yeah, so we have already decided that ageing makeup is this season's BBC foam machine is going to occur over and over again. 548 00:40:39.900 --> 00:40:44.340 This is the 2nd time we've seen tenant in ageing makeup this season. 549 00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:51.300 I've been watching these on the upscale Blu-ray versions, which are not kind to the ageing makeup. 550 00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:58.800 So the ageing makeup for tenant in this story was actually based on William Hartnell. 551 00:40:58.860 --> 00:40:59.519 I've read that. 552 00:40:59.579 --> 00:41:00.300 Is that true though? 553 00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:02.039 Do you think aged up? 554 00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:07.199 Because William Hart, oh, it's not that old, but they specifically went, Billy. 555 00:41:07.260 --> 00:41:10.380 Let's let's try and make him look like Bill Hartle. 556 00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:17.639 I think too, giving the master a thing that's very time-laudy, you know, that's about time that's about suppressing regenerations. 557 00:41:17.699 --> 00:41:20.880 Like, think of how time laudy this master is. 558 00:41:20.940 --> 00:41:22.199 We've seen him regenerate. 559 00:41:22.260 --> 00:41:24.539 We've seen him steal a TARDIS. 560 00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:27.780 Um, you know, he does timelordy things. 561 00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:37.380 And now his next job, the one thing that we know that timelords do is be the star of the BBC television program, Doctor Who. 562 00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:55.619 And so that's the next thing that the master's going to manage to do, and he does it by rendering, the doctor unable to do that job anymore, unable to run up and down corridors, unable to, you know, be funny and witty, and he gets to take over and be the most fun and entertaining thing in the room. 563 00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:58.920 I, you know, like I think, I think it's great. 564 00:41:58.980 --> 00:42:01.739 I think that this is the moment where he takes over a star of the show. 565 00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:11.699 And, you know, like our original DVD box sets have a picture of John Sim on one of them as if he has even taken over. on the back cover. 566 00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:14.760 Yeah, yeah, he's on the back cover as if he's taken over the show. 567 00:42:14.820 --> 00:42:24.480 Well, yes, I mean, he, he, from this point on to the cliffhanger, we've got him showing Martha bringing in her family, he's in control there. 568 00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:34.019 He says, if I told you the truth, your hearts would break to the doctor, we've got a bit of an illusion to, oh, there's a mystery here with the talk of Fane. 569 00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:43.079 Suddenly we've got, here come the drums, sorry, voodoo child, by the rogue traders, and they're dancing around. 570 00:42:43.260 --> 00:42:45.659 Lucy's dancing around. 571 00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:46.679 Fantastic. 572 00:42:46.739 --> 00:42:49.739 She's so out of it. foot shuffling. 573 00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:50.159 Yeah, yeah. 574 00:42:50.219 --> 00:42:51.300 She's off her face on value. 575 00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:51.900 Yeah, yeah. 576 00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:52.739 Valiant. 577 00:42:52.980 --> 00:42:56.400 Those fumes are pretty intoxicating aren't they? 578 00:42:56.460 --> 00:43:04.559 I have to have my little fanboy moment and say I'm just finally glad that Captain Jack has a role in this universe as Captain Scarlett. 579 00:43:04.619 --> 00:43:07.079 I know we said it before, but it's really is Captain Scarlet. 580 00:43:07.139 --> 00:43:07.380 Yeah. 581 00:43:07.380 --> 00:43:08.460 Tweet, tweak. 582 00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:09.179 It's wonderful. 583 00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:11.699 Same wooden acting too, go on. 584 00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:21.960 Our heroes are so much on the back foot. you know, Martha exit stage, right, but there's that glimmer of hope that when she says I'm coming back. 585 00:43:22.019 --> 00:43:26.219 I just think it's deliciously delivered by Freeman. 586 00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:27.960 She is. 587 00:43:28.019 --> 00:43:30.539 How do you feel about that favourite in this one? 588 00:43:30.659 --> 00:43:33.960 She is the help me Obi-Wan Kenobi. 589 00:43:34.019 --> 00:43:36.059 Like she's, she is the doctor's only hope. 590 00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:37.380 Like, she is the only... 591 00:43:37.500 --> 00:43:37.980 How do I feel? 592 00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:46.920 I think this is this episode might be Martha's most shining moment in the entire season. 593 00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:50.099 I think she is just that phenomenal in this episode. 594 00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:52.980 I have more to say about performance next week. 595 00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:54.179 That'll be interesting, yeah. 596 00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:55.860 I think you have to remember... 597 00:43:55.860 --> 00:43:59.940 You know how people were quite harsh on her at the time. was basically her 1st acting role. 598 00:44:00.059 --> 00:44:06.840 So, like, I think you could actually see her like her acting growing in this season. 599 00:44:07.139 --> 00:44:15.239 You actually get to a point towards the end of the series where she kind of finds her feet and I think it's in this episode. 600 00:44:15.420 --> 00:44:23.880 I think she's quite amazing in this, but I'm prepared to go on the record before next week's episode to say that I think she's amazing next week as well. 601 00:44:23.940 --> 00:44:27.840 I'm not saying she's not, but I don't like the performance next week compared to this. 602 00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:32.280 What we haven't talked about marches a Toclafane. 603 00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:37.139 And they're not real as far as the doctor knows. 604 00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:41.099 And I do think it's telling, but there are 6000000000 of them. 605 00:44:41.159 --> 00:44:48.119 And that's the 1st hint that they're us because there's the same number of Toclophane as there are of us in 2007. 606 00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:49.980 I think we're probably more than that in 2007. 607 00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:51.900 But that's the number that we had in our heads. 608 00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:56.400 And so it's already a hint that they're us. 609 00:44:56.460 --> 00:45:01.500 And then the master says that the identity of the talkophane will break the doctor's heart. 610 00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:04.980 And so that's a kind of another indication. 611 00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:11.280 But there, of course, the monsters that were devised for Dalek, for absence of the Daleks. 612 00:45:11.340 --> 00:45:12.960 The absence. 613 00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:13.920 Yeah, yeah. 614 00:45:13.980 --> 00:45:20.820 So when in series one, Rob Schumann was writing the Dalek episode, we weren't sure we were going to have the rights to the Daleks. 615 00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:24.840 Yeah, so they were trying to negotiate with Tony Nations Estate. 616 00:45:25.260 --> 00:45:30.000 Very late in the day, like they were unsure that they would get them. 617 00:45:30.059 --> 00:45:35.219 But did you know they also were planned at one point to be used in the station pit? 618 00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:35.820 Right. 619 00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:36.360 Right. 620 00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:37.019 Talk to phone. 621 00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:39.000 I'm glad that didn't happen. 622 00:45:39.059 --> 00:45:44.280 I do think that we'll find out next week that they're a great idea, that there is something about them. 623 00:45:44.340 --> 00:45:45.780 All of, you know, the best. 624 00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:47.639 Jerry Anderson's for finest villains. 625 00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:54.179 But I mean, all of the best Doctor Who villains are people that have gone wrong under some kind of moral pressure. 626 00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:56.280 Does that make Francine Zelda? 627 00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:15.599 But back to, you're saying, the writing in this episode, all the little setups, like from the archangel network, to what you were just saying there, to the TARDIS being, the paradox machine, there's all these little subtle things that Russell is doing that you don't actually see where it's going and it's really very clever writing. 628 00:46:15.659 --> 00:46:16.440 Yeah. 629 00:46:16.500 --> 00:46:18.179 And it comes together next week, in a way. 630 00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:21.659 Like people always say, you know, Russell doesn't set things up properly. 631 00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:26.340 We needed another lead and exposition scene in order to sell this development at the end of the episode. 632 00:46:26.400 --> 00:46:29.699 But this one is absolutely no one can say that. 633 00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:32.159 And Russell writes about that in the writer's tale. 634 00:46:32.219 --> 00:46:34.380 He doesn't want to stop for a dumb exposition scene. 635 00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:37.739 He knows that as viewers, we've watched TV before. 636 00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:38.760 We don't need that. 637 00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:41.400 And it's not what Russell's interested in. 638 00:46:41.460 --> 00:46:43.980 But here, I think it's incredibly well set up. 639 00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:45.719 Everything comes together amazingly well. 640 00:46:45.780 --> 00:46:56.699 And as you've said, like the master is now the star of the show, he gets the voiceover at the end of the episode, even though the close-up goes onto the doctor's phase, which looks like nothing like William Hartnell, can I just say? 641 00:46:56.760 --> 00:46:57.900 At all. 642 00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:00.659 Well, I did just watch the 3 doctors on the Blu-ray. 643 00:47:01.980 --> 00:47:14.460 Actually, we've been talking about paradels to the old series, but I think you've both just hit on a really interesting point that this is antithetical to the 70s. 644 00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:22.320 And perhaps we look at the reason that Pertwiz area was so maligned, and it probably is that the ever presence of Basil exposition. 645 00:47:22.380 --> 00:47:29.820 It's not pertly, and it's certainly not Delgado, but they do a lot of action figures standing around telling you what the scene's all about. 646 00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:34.079 And that may actually just come down to the way that drama was written then. 647 00:47:34.139 --> 00:47:40.380 I mean, there's a lot of people standing around, whether it be the bridge of a ship or, you know, a hamlet or quarry, that they're all standing outside. 648 00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:41.400 And they say, what happens there? 649 00:47:41.460 --> 00:47:42.719 And then I'll tell you what happens next. 650 00:47:42.780 --> 00:47:44.820 I mean, we get a fair amount of that. 651 00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:46.500 We have the conversation on the phone. 652 00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:50.159 We have them sitting around talking about the master's backstory. 653 00:47:50.219 --> 00:47:51.300 But quickly get that. 654 00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:53.280 And they're doing things while they're doing it. 655 00:47:53.340 --> 00:47:54.420 Moving about. 656 00:47:54.539 --> 00:47:58.380 I just smell there's so much clever writing. 657 00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:08.159 There's so much serendipity here with decisions that have been made previous seasons or even this season that everything just comes together in this episode. 658 00:48:08.219 --> 00:48:10.619 And well, where do you go from here? 659 00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:47.760 Well, there is nowhere off to find a shelter somewhere and stock up on some tennis racquets and baseball bats and things, so there's every chance we'll survive until next week, when we'll be covering Last of the Time Lords. 660 00:48:47.820 --> 00:49:02.760 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts and you can keep up with us at Flightthrough Entirety on Facebook, at FTE podcast on Twitter, and on our website, FlightthroughEntirety.com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger, and Jody Into Terror. 661 00:49:02.820 --> 00:49:07.619 Until next time, remember there's no such thing as the Toclophane. 662 00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:12.420 It's just a made up word. like Tory or Brexit or carbon. 663 00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:14.820 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 664 00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:15.599 Good night. 665 00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:16.440 See you soon. 666 00:49:16.500 --> 00:49:17.039 Good then. 667 00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:25.800 That was Flight to Entirety, starring Todd Bilby, Nathan Bottomley, James Selwood, and Richard Stone. 668 00:49:25.860 --> 00:49:29.639 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, Strings performance by Jane Orberg. 669 00:49:29.699 --> 00:49:36.480 This episode, this is what you were voting for, was recorded on the 22nd of September 2019 and released on the 1st of December. 670 00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:52.079 If you've been finding all this backslapping and relentless appreciation rather tiresome, please tune in next week for some furious disagreement about the quality of the universally loved series 3 finale, Last of the Time Lords. 671 00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:56.820 He likes the sound of his own drums. 672 00:49:56.940 --> 00:49:58.199 The sound of my own drums. 673 00:49:58.260 --> 00:50:05.099 Today is the 22nd of September, and we are recording the sound of drums. 674 00:50:06.780 --> 00:50:09.420 You should just do a podcast on the song. 675 00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:12.179 Don't you think? 676 00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:13.019 No? 677 00:50:13.079 --> 00:50:13.559 What song? 678 00:50:13.619 --> 00:50:14.219 Awesome. 679 00:50:14.219 --> 00:50:16.139 Beauty, tumble the drums here comes. 680 00:50:16.199 --> 00:50:16.619 Yeah, that one. 681 00:50:16.980 --> 00:50:18.659 Who's sang it? 682 00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:19.980 I don't know Morgan. 683 00:50:19.980 --> 00:50:22.500 Natalie Basser thing, a thing waits band. 684 00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:24.059 Basset finger. 685 00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:25.139 I haven't heard at all. 686 00:50:25.260 --> 00:50:26.820 The rouge traders. 687 00:50:26.880 --> 00:50:27.480 Oh, thank you. 688 00:50:27.539 --> 00:50:28.199 I'm sorry. 689 00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:29.820 The rogue traders. 690 00:50:30.179 --> 00:50:34.320 When they were 1st on American radio. 691 00:50:34.380 --> 00:50:36.780 Yes. on me recording. 692 00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:38.519 Yeah, yeah, this could be a tag. 693 00:50:38.579 --> 00:50:39.599 You might say something funny. 694 00:50:39.659 --> 00:50:54.780 Yeah, but the rogue traders went their 1st on American radio, somebody misspelt the entry on the, on the, on the digital radio sort of master file as rouge traders. lovely. 695 00:50:54.840 --> 00:50:55.260 Yeah. 696 00:50:55.320 --> 00:51:02.400 I have to say that you are doing very well there, James, with that mark technique. 697 00:51:03.360 --> 00:51:06.179 Okay, it's all downhill from here. 698 00:51:06.300 --> 00:51:07.079 It is. 699 00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:11.639 Shall I start? 700 00:51:11.699 --> 00:51:14.460 Please do, if you must. 701 00:51:14.940 --> 00:51:18.840 I'm all nervous now. putting me off. 702 00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:20.340 Okay. 703 00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:26.099 That was Chan's fault. 704 00:51:26.159 --> 00:51:27.480 Why is it my fault? 705 00:51:27.599 --> 00:51:29.280 Help me now, listeners. 706 00:51:29.340 --> 00:51:30.000 Okay. 707 00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:35.460 Oh, are we a point of thank you for reminding me. 708 00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:37.800 A point of, I don't know, logic. 709 00:51:37.860 --> 00:51:39.119 Is it listeners or listener? 710 00:51:39.539 --> 00:51:42.179 It's normally dear listener? 711 00:51:42.239 --> 00:51:45.239 Because there's only ever one person listening, you know, at a time. 712 00:51:45.300 --> 00:51:46.860 It's the way the Beeb does it. 713 00:51:46.980 --> 00:51:48.059 I don't care. 714 00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:53.400 I think it's nicer to say, for me, it's nicer to say listener because it feels like you're talking to them personally. 715 00:51:53.460 --> 00:51:55.980 Yes, but I don't do I don't do that. 716 00:51:56.039 --> 00:51:57.539 I always do listeners, do you? 717 00:51:57.599 --> 00:51:58.920 I do. don't want change that? 718 00:51:58.980 --> 00:52:00.239 No, it's tag scene. 719 00:52:00.900 --> 00:52:02.699 All right, okay. 720 00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:04.980 You're getting me irritated already, Richard. 721 00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:06.960 That might be good, though. 722 00:52:07.019 --> 00:52:12.239 I don't want to be irritated for this episode You got to work up to it so I can be irritated for the next episode. 723 00:52:12.300 --> 00:52:13.679 I like the next episode. 724 00:52:13.739 --> 00:52:14.880 Yes, but you like everything. 725 00:52:14.940 --> 00:52:16.019 No, I don't. 726 00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:17.460 I have very good time. 727 00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:20.579 And I don't like the massacre. 728 00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:22.559 We mentioned that. 729 00:52:22.860 --> 00:52:25.380 I still think it's one of the best groups. 730 00:52:25.500 --> 00:52:26.760 Yeah, probably is. 731 00:52:26.940 --> 00:52:29.280 I'm relentlessly low brown. 732 00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:30.000 Massacre. 733 00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:31.199 Well, middle brown. 734 00:52:31.260 --> 00:52:32.579 Not my opinion, please. 735 00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:33.119 Stolart. 736 00:52:33.179 --> 00:52:34.800 All right, we're all in a mood. lets go. 737 00:52:34.860 --> 00:52:36.239 Okay. 738 00:52:36.300 --> 00:52:37.380 Yep, good. 739 00:52:37.500 --> 00:52:38.280 That's what we want. 740 00:52:41.340 --> 00:52:44.820 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight through Entirety.