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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flightthrough Entirety

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the only Doctor Who podcast that was secretly doing Sean behind

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Vicki's back the whole time.

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Sorry, Martha.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm James.

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I'm Todd. and I'm 2 buckets of Nembutal in a red dress with a cock

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pistol for this one.

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Well, it's been an entire year since our last episode, and we've

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been going from house to house telling everyone we meet about how

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much we all owe to the work of Eric Seyward.

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Have our efforts been in vain?

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Let's find out as we discuss the series 3 finale, Last of the Time

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Lords.

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I can't decide whether you should live or die or you'll probably

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blow it ever.

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Please don't hang your head and grind, I wonder why my heart feels

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dead inside.

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It's going hard and petrified.

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Lock the doors and close fly.

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Going for a ride.

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So we open it.

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One year later.

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So Russell says that he got this idea from Battlestar Galactica, I

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think.

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And so you might remember that Battlestar Galactica has this

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incredible thing, which happens, it doesn't even happen at a

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commercial break or at a season finale or, you know, in between

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episodes.

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It happens in the middle of an act where Gaius Baltar puts his

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head in his hands and then it's a year later.

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And it's wonderful.

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I mean, it's such a great idea.

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And I think Russell says no one watched Battlestone Galactica in

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England, so he could afford to do it on his lovely show, which

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1000000s and 1000000s of people were watching every Saturday.

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You're so joyous about this fact.

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I am not.

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I loved it on Battlestar Galactica up to this point.

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Very few shows like these days we've got, like in the last 10

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years, so many shows do time jumps all around the place has just

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become ad hoc in any American thing.

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But up to this point, you know, it's a science fiction concept.

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The moment I saw it, I just went, oh, great.

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We're going to have a Voyager reset button happening and it just

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put me off the entire episode.

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Oh, but come on.

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We must have known there was a reset button happening by the end

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of last week's episode.

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I think the giveaway was Bobby Ewing in the shower.

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Yeah, that's right.

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With John Sims and Lucy.

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The rest of the show isn't going to continue after a 10th of the

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earth's population has been destroyed, which happens at the end of

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the previous thing.

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And we've seen the paradox machine.

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And I think if we have our wits about us.

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We't mention the paradox machine last week.

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Red Wedding Tardis.

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Well, I didn't have my wits about me, right?

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And so the paradox machine just went over my head.

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Like, and it still goes over my head.

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I mean, I see that it's there.

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It's all, Russell has, has got everything set up.

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You said last week, you know, people complain about him just

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making it up on the spot, but this time around, It's actually all

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plotted out so that we're going to be able to get to an end where

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the master doesn't just jump into his TARDIS, which happens to be

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in the corner as a grandfather clock, right?

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There are consequences.

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And we know that their companion is getting written out, right?

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So he's actually moving all the elements to an end.

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But I just loathe one here later.

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It's a personal thing and it's one of many little things in this

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episode that, for me, take the shine off where it's going, right?

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And they just annoy me, right?

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So I think it's a good idea, and I think the reason is that it

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gives the masters victory a chance to stick.

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So the master's victory lasts for a long time and has a massive

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effect on the world.

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So it enables the scale of the master's victory to be something

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that we've never, ever seen before.

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So it's a little bit like the Dalek invasion of Earth, where we

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arrive, and the Daleks have been in control of Earth for a long

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time, and we get to see that here.

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We get to see the master have a massive effect on the world.

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And so the scale of what he's able to achieve wouldn't have been

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possible.

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And that makes the stakes so much higher.

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And I do think that the reset button, which, as we said, is just

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inevitable from the moment that he destroys a 10th of the world's

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population last week, is earned, and it's not a proper reset bung

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because it still happened, as Francine says, at the very end.

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All of those things still happened.

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I remember them.

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And so it's the effect that it has on the characters that we care

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about, that means that it's not all thrown away.

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You know, very often on Voyagers, as you say, Todd, they'll have

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an adventure and no one remembers it, except ask the audience.

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And so who cares?

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But here, it has a massive devastating effect on Martha and her

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family and as a result, the doctor.

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I don't disagree with you.

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Like in that thing.

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I just don't feel it.

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I don't feel the effect on the mother.

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I don't feel it.

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When they say like Martha's the only person to get out of Japan

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alive.

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I just rolled my eyes and went, yeah, okay.

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Yeah, you're making your point that, you know, this is the

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devastating thing, but we're not really going to see that.

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You know, Martha's walk to the earth.

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What we see is a budgetary constraints where she walks on a beach

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and we get a flashback to her beach and we get a flashback to the

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11 lot of room that she sits in to talk to people.

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Like, we don't see all those things we get told about it.

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And that's, as I said, it's a budgetary thing here where you don't

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get to see all those things where I really want to see that, to

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really feel it and I don't feel it.

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So what Russell does instead is he does some representative bits

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of that.

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So we get to see what her life is like, not by spending a year

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going around with her and, you know, some spinoff media will do

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that later.

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But we get to see sort of what that must have been like.

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And again, you know, the master is always risking being cute and

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cuddly because the job of the master is to make us like him or her

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more than we like, the doctor.

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And the master is often successful at that.

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Missy is a past mistress at it.

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We love her enormously and she is much more fun, even than

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Capaldi's doctor, I think.

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Surely she's a past master.

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She is a past master.

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Not yet.

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She's a future master at it.

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So having him kill everyone in Japan, having him devastate the

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world and reduce them to sort of slave workers helps Russell to

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make his political point, you know, that...

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Yeah, well, the...

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It's not high Wickham, is it?

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But it is, it's neoliberalism. you know, turning the world into a

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machine for manufacturing things to give power to a small number

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of people.

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It's a beautiful point.

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It's exactly what this master.

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Well, it's late stage capitalism in apotheosis.

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No, that's it. in the room, yes.

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And so I just think that it creates an enormous scale for what the

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master does.

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And we had to go up.

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It was so hard not to do that.

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Not just because the previous 2 finales were the end of the world

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as I said, in the intro of last week's episode.

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But because the master had, you know, trying to invade Earth so

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many times with the help of another alien race.

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He really had to win once Oh totally agree.

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I thought Toya Wilcox wasn't available and the and the Teletubbies

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were already signed up.

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Well, they were in last week's episode, actually.

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So quite early on in the episode, we get the doctor, Francine, Jack

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Tish, and Clive trying to stage a coup against the master, which

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ultimately fails with this number three.

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And it's alluded that this is not the 1st time they've tried

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this.

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No, but it's a heist and that's really fun.

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So it gives us, it reminds us who all of these characters are. that

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they haven't been completely cowered by the master, but it does

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tell us how Michael Kane would have done it if he was posited into

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this film.

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Not a lot.

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People know that.

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My God, it's the Italian job.

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It's wonderfully fine. middle of this.

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It's quite cleverly also sitting up the whole countdown concept

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that Martha uses at the end of the episode.

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They do the 3 because they're at 3 o'clock, they are going to try

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this.

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And so it's setting up watch the clock.

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giant attack that the master's going to launch on the rest of the

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universe from Earth.

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And it gets people to do their shtick.

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And it also kind of justifies a really wonderful scene, I think

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with the Jones family when they're all in prison afterwards.

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And they're all there talking about killing the master.

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And Francine and Clive do this kind of, you know, the kiss where

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they're kind of, you know, they've turned evil and so they're sort

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of back together, they're going to kill the master, all 3 of them

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even Tish will kill the master, given the chance, and they do a

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sort of wonderful conspiratorial kiss.

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Clive and Francine.

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And it sells, I think, what's coming up later, which is the fact

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that Francine very nearly kills the master and is rescued from

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that. by the doctor.

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It also sells the impact that this year has had on these

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characters.

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It's damaged them quite a lot.

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Look how Todd feels.

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Thanks, Richard.

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And he was just watching it.

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But it sells the fact that Martha has to leave the doctor, even if

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you know, but the whole I'm in love with you and you don't want me

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thing aside, she has to leave because she has to look after her

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family.

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And she's a doctor.

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And that's the 1st thing we ever saw her do.

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She's the doctor. yeah.

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Yeah, that's the 1st thing.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, 1st thing we ever see her do is to try and prevent Clive

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from bringing Annalise to Leo's party.

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Whatever happened to Annalise?

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Wow, I would have loved to see the maids uniform.

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It's the cruellest thing that she's not in this, really.

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Or in a talklafane head.

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Maybe she's floating around in a Toclophane mirror ball up there

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you know, banging away to the rouge continuum or whatever it is.

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I've got a question though.

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Do we know under what religion Russell was brought up?

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Was it a Welsh Baptist?

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I don't know.

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Harry, the Church of Harry Seacam.

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There's a lot of New Testament references in this, would you not

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say?

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Yeah, yeah.

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I'm not even getting to that, to when it all, it all goes up to

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the post-revelations, Andrew Lloyd Webber moments at the end.

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Well, I think Russell, and we've observed this before, even this

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year, where gridlock is largely about religion, I mean, it's also

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about capitalism too, but it is, you know, to a great degree about

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religion and has some very obvious Protestant religious elements

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in it.

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And this one here has a religious resolution where it's faith.

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You know, the master mocks Martha and says, so that's your

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solution, is that prayer?

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And prayer works.

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The faith of these people actually works.

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See, I think that's where Russell's continue where Russell's

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position falls down because I can see Russell talking to Matt

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Gruning about just, you know, just put a whole panel of thoughts

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and prayers buttons in front of him.

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Yeah, and then get or in front of Mr. Burns and then give him the

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do nothing button.

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Because I really believe that after, you know, if this is, can be

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parallel to the shootings in the US, of which what day is it now?

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Russell, I'm really surprised at that.

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And that's the one point of this.

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I wonder if that's something that has annoyed Todd in the way that

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it was perhaps disappointing and how this was brought about.

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I really like where he's coming from.

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And I'm actually quite serious about the, has he come from a, from

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that from that Welsh church background, which is a little bit

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Methodist in a way that it's, you know, it's very much this

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collective can do attitude.

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You know, we will keep a welcome in that hillside.

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I think that there is something about the resolution that is very

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human.

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So we get this faint, don't we?

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And we will talk in more detail about Martha's Quest and so on.

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But what we think the quest is about is about, it's like a science

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fiction quest to collect bits of a gun to assemble and so that

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Martha can shoot the master in the head and he can't regenerate.

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And I think we should be uncomfortable about that when we hear

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about it, but I'm not sure that we are.

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And part of the reason is that the situation is so incredibly

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desperate.

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Like, you know, this is the worst things have ever got, perhaps in

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a Doctor Who episode, apart from what Inferno episode, 5 or

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whatever, when the world's on fire. things are very bad.

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And so maybe in that situation, Doctor Who thinks we have to shoot

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the villain in the head for once.

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And then we discovered that that's not what's happening.

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And what it is that saves us.

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Isn't the doctor does something really clever, although he plays

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his part and he's a focus of it.

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It's human faith and it's human solidarity.

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It's that these people hope that there's a better story than we

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just shoot the villain in the head.

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And that's Doctor Who.

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You know, that's the ethics of Doctor Who.

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Now it turns out Lucy just shoots the villain in the head anyway.

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So it is a little bit, you know, it's a little bit of a cheat.

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It is the Simpsons.

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But, um, I think that this is Russell at his most rustly, because

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Russell, as you said last week, Richard, you can't, it's

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impossible to overstate how cynical and bleak Russell can be in

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his darkest moments, and we saw that in years and years.

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We saw it in cucumber.

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We saw it, you know, all the way back, I think, to queer as folk.

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There were really sort of terrible sort of nihilistic elements in

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that.

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We'll go on to see it next year in, I think, midnight and turn

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left, you know.

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His stuff can be incredibly bleak, but here he goes for the human

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response.

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We don't just have, I mean, we don't have, you know, Jesus, doctor

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resurrected by the power of prayer and glowing and all of that, and

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all of that's sort of slightly embarrassing.

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And I'm sure that Todd would agree with me about that.

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But the fact that the solution comes from people and that it's

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about talking.

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It's about doing what we've done all our lives.

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What this podcast is about is telling people about Doctor Who.

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And it's talking about the doctor as a hero and aspiring to be

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like the doctor that saves the situation.

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And so I love it, you know.

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I feel like I had my own small part in the master's downfall here

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saving the world with the power of podcasts.

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Yes, exactly.

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One pair of earbuds at the time.

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I like the idea.

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I like the idea.

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I find the execution of it a little more clunky than what... perhaps

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what you do.

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I find that we don't get to see Martha really walking the earth.

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She gets to be hidden using the key.

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But her brother is also hidden.

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He hides away from the master, right?

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Without.

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With Annalise.

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Without.

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With the power, for the power of Annalise.

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Say 3 times it's a big finish series.

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Yeah, yeah.

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He manages to do it without that special power.

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Like he can just hide by himself, right?

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It's called fame.

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He's too popular to be in the show.

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I'm just saying it's just a little thing for me.

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Yeah, I agree.

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I love Francine's storyline all the way.

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She makes this work.

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She really makes it work.

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And when she collapses into the doctor's arms at the end for that

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brief moment, it's like, I wish there could be just a little bit

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more, but you then get that lovely, when she looks out the window

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that sort of begrudging sort of thing, yeah, we've been through

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this together.

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I respect you.

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You respect me.

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I love that.

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And that is so powerful.

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We also get, and you're going to explain this to me, Nathan

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because I know that you'll have an answer, right?

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So in the previous episode, the doctor whispers something to

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Martha, right?

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Which seems to take about how many seconds?

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Yeah.

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10.

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Oh, if that.

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If that.

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And so in those 10 seconds.

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Does he then tell her, just correct me if I, you're going to

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correct me because I'm obviously wrong, that she needs to walk the

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earth to tell the story and she needs to be at this point at a

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certain time because there's going to be a countdown and at the

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same time come up with some other means to sort of...

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Do you know what I'm saying?

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Oh no, I agree.

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And so it's like, what has he said to her?

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like that makes all this happen.

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She's obviously a resourceful woman and so there's the whole 4

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potions gunplot thing, which is not his idea.

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But at this time on this day in a year, and at the same time, he

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recognises that he's going to be able to tune himself into this

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the network.

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And so then, you know, at that point in time, he'll be able to

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undo the Dobby doctor through magic and sort of be this floating

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Kai figure that is like Rose from series one.

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Do you know what I'm saying?

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Like all these little things that I've just mentioned, just set me

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off, like I'm shaking right now in this room, listener, that they

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just, it undermines what I think is a really good concept.

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Like it's just hasn't quite got it for me.

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Like, I'm sorry.

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I mean, I just, it's not what Christopher H.

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Bidmead would have done.

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I just think that it needs to hang together long enough for us to

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get to the end of the episode.

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And I think that, I mean, we've had a lot of time to ruminate on

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this.

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And I think that, you know, there is some sort of fridge logic

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where he just hopes we don't press it too hard.

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But I mean, Doctor Who's been doing that, you know, ever since it

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began.

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And I think it just sort of needs to work on a sort of level of

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themes and spectacle, I think.

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And so I don't know what the doctor says to her and, you know, he

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couldn't sort of possibly tell us.

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Maybe he just said, tell people about me and be back here on such

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a date or something.

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But how would he even know that?

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And I mean, the clever thing is the Archangel Network, which has

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the perfect name, doesn't it?

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which is being used by a timelord to hypnotise all of humanity.

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And the doctor sort of counters it and uses it against the master

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which is absolutely classic per twee defeating Delgado, isn't it?

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I love the arcade to me.

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This is the one thing in this rewatch that I actually really do

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like.

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Yeah, all of that.

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They could have easily had a couple of scenes where, you know, when

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they're trying to defeat the master with the whole, you know, like

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3 o'clock thing, why not have had that then getting some

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information out to Martha.

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Like, I mean, they could have been a way of explaining that, you

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know, they had actually been conspiring with her the entire time

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which would fix that issue.

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Yeah, I mean, I think that any solution, and usually the solutions

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to things about RTD plots that annoy people, normally the solution

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to that is why couldn't we have this exposition scene?

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And I know that's not what you're asking for here, but he doesn't

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want to do that.

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He doesn't want to have the exposition scene and he wants us to

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find out at the same time as the master finds out.

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He wants us to believe the story about the gun.

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Yeah.

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Don't you think?

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I think that he really can.

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Oh, yes, yes.

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I definitely thought that's where they were going.

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My further problem with all of this is that we get, for most of

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the episode.

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Freema has to act, keeping herself very much her emotions to

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herself.

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Yeah.

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And I mentioned many moons ago, I had this perception of Martha

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blank face.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. being quite restrained and wooden and wooden.

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And I realise watching this, this is the episode that I get it

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from because it's so unlike Martha in every other situation.

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Even when she's protecting the doctor before World War I in the

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family of blood, she's still emoting, she's still showing her true

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character, whereas here for so much of the episode, it's just this

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blank wall.

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And it's a great performance, but I just struggle with it because

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I don't feel emotionally invested.

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When she sits down in that house to tell those people about the

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doctor.

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I feel like she could be saying, he cooked a great hamburger and

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you should eat those hamburgers because they were, the cows were

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out in the field and it was all lovely.

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Like I, I, my care factor is literally close to zero.

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And I know that's unfair on whether it's the writing, the

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performance or the direction, the fact that we get that one

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sequence in the recap where I think there should be more scenes

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with different types of people in different situations.

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It all compounds me.

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And then we get the Toclophane.

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When they open the chocolate thing, like we then get, oh, they're

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all a hive mind, so they all know about Crete and is it supposed

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to be Crete?

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Like, no, it's not.

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But to me, it gives the impression that through the eyes and that

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sort of thing and her reaction that it is like that.

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And I think that's a mistake.

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Yeah, no, and I think that he walks up to the edge of that.

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He didn't want to have the little kid who won a competition to be

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the guest star in Utopia, end up being a shrivelled head in a

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ball.

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That's what I feel.

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Yeah.

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And so he gets as close to that as possible by having him say the

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skies are full of diamonds or something like that.

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But then we get a line saying, no, we all share the same memory.

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So we know it's not that.

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We know, but we do have Crete ending up like that.

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That's the really, really dark thing about it, and it's as dark as

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Doctor Who has ever gone, because utopia, we talked about this 2

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weeks ago.

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There's something incredible about the setup for utopia, which

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makes it kind of emblematic about the human condition.

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You know, we all face some kind of mortality.

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Many of us spend much of our lives trying to escape it or forget

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about it or mitigate it or do something, trying to make our lives

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mean something in the face of the end of everything.

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And these people look like, you know, there's a moment of triumph

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where the rocket ship goes off, heads to utopia, and they've

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escaped and we're excited, and what's in utopia, it's, you know

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the planet Mustafa with less CGI, and everyone just turns

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themselves into a sort of bouncing robot head.

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You know, like it's horrible.

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It's really as bleak as Russell's ever been.

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There's no escape from death. they turn themselves into monsters

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in order to try and escape it.

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And that's never solved.

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That's never solved.

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No, and he's not going to solve it.

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Like, like, the ultimate end to the human race is death.

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Yeah.

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They're stuck at the end of the year.

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They're going to die. is no salvation.

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No.

498
00:23:57.359 --> 00:23:59.220
It is actually never a result.

499
00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:01.740
We are in a loop, but no, that's still how it ends.

500
00:24:01.799 --> 00:24:03.480
Well, and there's no St.

501
00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:05.099
Francisine to say.

502
00:24:05.220 --> 00:24:06.240
So the loop gets broken.

503
00:24:06.299 --> 00:24:09.779
So the point of the paradox machine is, of course, it permits the

504
00:24:09.779 --> 00:24:12.839
grandfather paradox to take place where you can go back in time

505
00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:15.420
and kill your ancestors and still exist.

506
00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:16.980
That's why we have the paradox machine.

507
00:24:16.980 --> 00:24:19.259
So that photographane don't wink out of...

508
00:24:19.319 --> 00:24:21.960
Kill this hit show. after killing all of these people.

509
00:24:22.019 --> 00:24:24.059
And so it snaps back.

510
00:24:24.119 --> 00:24:25.079
It's solved.

511
00:24:25.140 --> 00:24:30.839
But what isn't solved is what you say, James, the ultimate fate of

512
00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:36.000
humanity is disgusting and horrifying and we turn ourselves into

513
00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:38.640
monsters at the end of all things.

514
00:24:38.700 --> 00:24:43.559
And it's like the end of, you know, series 3 of Blake 7, where we

515
00:24:43.559 --> 00:24:46.079
all turn into the tar and woodbeast, you know?

516
00:24:46.799 --> 00:24:50.279
Terrence Woodburst. would be.

517
00:24:50.940 --> 00:24:52.440
Title.

518
00:24:55.019 --> 00:24:57.839
And this is much worse than that.

519
00:24:57.900 --> 00:24:59.279
M much, much worse than that.

520
00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:04.140
And even worse than, you know, the master killing huge sways of

521
00:25:04.140 --> 00:25:07.380
the population and turning us into a giant missile base to kill

522
00:25:07.380 --> 00:25:13.319
everyone else with turning, you know, the West into this giant

523
00:25:13.319 --> 00:25:17.339
military machine whose job is basically to launch missiles to kill

524
00:25:17.339 --> 00:25:18.420
other people remotely.

525
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:22.859
You know, much worse than that is the fact that everyone will die

526
00:25:22.859 --> 00:25:24.720
and there's no escaping it.

527
00:25:24.779 --> 00:25:28.920
We were using drone tech in Afghanistan. back then.

528
00:25:28.980 --> 00:25:29.819
Russell doesn't miss much.

529
00:25:29.880 --> 00:25:30.599
No no.

530
00:25:30.660 --> 00:25:33.779
It's really amazingly, amazingly dark.

531
00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:35.579
Oh, definitely.

532
00:25:35.640 --> 00:25:38.759
Sorry, I'm still struggling with the whole paradox machine thing

533
00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:41.220
because it goes back to something like Day of the Daleks, which I

534
00:25:41.220 --> 00:25:45.660
always struggle with where, you know, by coming back in time

535
00:25:45.660 --> 00:25:48.480
they've created the paradox that they blow up the house and all

536
00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:48.900
that sort of thing.

537
00:25:49.019 --> 00:25:50.759
But they have a Tartar, so they prevent it from happening.

538
00:25:50.819 --> 00:25:51.720
That's what that's called.

539
00:25:51.779 --> 00:25:53.339
It's 60s SF stuff.

540
00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:55.619
It goes back to and you see, you know, my head in.

541
00:25:55.680 --> 00:26:00.480
Good writers did it in original Star Trek, Harlan Ellison, of

542
00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:02.339
course, is a writer who used it a lot.

543
00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:03.960
Samuel Delaney used it.

544
00:26:04.079 --> 00:26:08.099
Yeah, it's a trope that I think it might actually work better in

545
00:26:08.099 --> 00:26:11.519
fiction when you've got 400 pages than an hour's TV.

546
00:26:11.579 --> 00:26:14.279
And it has to be the sort of thing that the master does because

547
00:26:14.279 --> 00:26:18.299
the master can't just be a guy in a nice suit who does

548
00:26:18.299 --> 00:26:19.019
conspiracies.

549
00:26:19.079 --> 00:26:22.140
He has to be a time lord, and so he has to play with time.

550
00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:25.019
And so the paradox machine enables him to do that.

551
00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:28.680
And have a think too, we just alluded to this earlier on about

552
00:26:28.680 --> 00:26:29.460
Lucy.

553
00:26:29.819 --> 00:26:34.500
Like the reason that Lucy is why she is is because she's seen

554
00:26:34.500 --> 00:26:35.460
utopia.

555
00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:41.339
The master took her to see utopia and she realised that everything

556
00:26:41.339 --> 00:26:45.180
dies, everything ends and therefore nothing matters.

557
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:47.099
Yeah, to break her.

558
00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:47.759
Yeah.

559
00:26:47.819 --> 00:26:48.539
Yeah.

560
00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:50.160
But that's what he's like.

561
00:26:50.220 --> 00:26:53.039
You know, he's motivated by, we said this last week.

562
00:26:53.099 --> 00:26:54.240
I talked about it last week.

563
00:26:54.299 --> 00:26:58.500
He's motivated by being the agent of time in the sense that he

564
00:26:58.500 --> 00:27:00.539
destroys things.

565
00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:02.940
He's the ultimate end of everything.

566
00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:08.579
And so to make her his henchman, he shows her that truth.

567
00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:14.519
It's some Russell is, you know, for all of that jolliness for all

568
00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:14.819
of that.

569
00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:17.819
Everything's marvellous and wasn't everything wonderful and all

570
00:27:17.819 --> 00:27:20.519
those Doctor Who confidentials where he was, you know, so excited

571
00:27:20.519 --> 00:27:21.119
by everything.

572
00:27:21.180 --> 00:27:23.220
As he kicks over a sand car.

573
00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:24.779
And it's all for the kids.

574
00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:29.880
Hey, kids, one day everyone you love will be dead and so will

575
00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:30.119
you.

576
00:27:36.059 --> 00:27:38.279
I have to praise.

577
00:27:38.339 --> 00:27:40.200
John Simm.

578
00:27:40.259 --> 00:27:43.259
Yeah, and I have to praise very much.

579
00:27:43.259 --> 00:27:46.619
Lucy, for their performances in this episode.

580
00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:51.180
I believe that it is an absolute tour de force for him, and I

581
00:27:51.180 --> 00:27:56.099
without him, for me, this episode would have fallen to pieces.

582
00:27:56.099 --> 00:28:00.000
And because he's acting against the Doppy Doctor, and I know that

583
00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:03.059
happened because David Tennant was filming other things and they

584
00:28:03.059 --> 00:28:07.380
needed to go there, but I absolutely hate the Doppy Doctor beyond

585
00:28:07.380 --> 00:28:08.400
all.

586
00:28:08.460 --> 00:28:10.140
I just really dislike it, right?

587
00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:14.339
I love the moment when John Simpson sneaks up behind the door.

588
00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:18.599
He's in the cage and he's in his dressing gown and he sneaks in

589
00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:20.160
like on tiptoe into the room.

590
00:28:20.279 --> 00:28:20.819
It's wonderful.

591
00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:23.460
But his whole performance through this where the doctor tries to

592
00:28:23.460 --> 00:28:25.799
say things to him and he goes, he stops him all the time.

593
00:28:25.859 --> 00:28:32.099
And then obviously at the end where he is shot and refuses to

594
00:28:32.099 --> 00:28:32.819
regenerate.

595
00:28:32.940 --> 00:28:36.539
He's just phenomenal throughout that whole thing.

596
00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:39.119
Russell has thought through all these things, right?

597
00:28:39.180 --> 00:28:42.059
I love the fact that we, you know, he's not going to be locked up

598
00:28:42.059 --> 00:28:45.779
on an island with a governor, right?

599
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:49.019
Or that he's going to escape in a cock to come back again.

600
00:28:49.140 --> 00:28:53.400
But he's got a, he's got the whole get out of jail card with the

601
00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:55.740
ring that's picked up out of the fire.

602
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:58.140
I think that's all, it all ties it together.

603
00:28:58.200 --> 00:29:02.339
And I think John Sims performance acting against nothing dealing

604
00:29:02.339 --> 00:29:06.599
with the family and then Lucy, just the battered wife syndrome.

605
00:29:06.660 --> 00:29:07.200
Yeah, yeah.

606
00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:09.839
Just, again, all of that is just amazing.

607
00:29:09.900 --> 00:29:13.200
And I really, that's the part, that's the aspects of the episode

608
00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:18.779
that I really connected with and helped me get through.

609
00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:22.859
I think the battered wife thing is actually maybe just slightly

610
00:29:22.859 --> 00:29:26.460
too dark for Doctor Who, but it is not overplayed.

611
00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:27.839
I also really like.

612
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:31.200
There's a moment, you know, when the Dolby Doctor 1st emerges, like

613
00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:35.099
crawls out of David Tennant's suit, and then the master gives this

614
00:29:35.099 --> 00:29:39.299
look, like he's seen how crap the special effect is and he's

615
00:29:39.299 --> 00:29:43.319
slightly embarrassed on the doctor's behalf, which I think is

616
00:29:43.319 --> 00:29:43.619
great.

617
00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:46.680
Look, this season, and we've said it over and over again.

618
00:29:46.740 --> 00:29:50.519
We said it over and over again, they reach further than they can

619
00:29:50.519 --> 00:29:52.920
grasp special effects wise.

620
00:29:52.980 --> 00:29:55.740
And I would sooner they did that than be timid.

621
00:29:55.799 --> 00:30:00.539
I would sooner endure a crappy special effect than a lack of

622
00:30:00.539 --> 00:30:01.140
ambition.

623
00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:04.079
And so the Dolby doctor doesn't really work.

624
00:30:04.140 --> 00:30:07.259
It looks nothing like David Tennant. really slightly

625
00:30:07.259 --> 00:30:07.980
embarrassing.

626
00:30:08.579 --> 00:30:12.180
In fact, that's actually one of the most Doctor Who things about

627
00:30:12.180 --> 00:30:17.279
series 3 is that Doctor Who has always reached for than the

628
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:18.539
special effects could manage.

629
00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:20.819
Look at the CSO in the 70s.

630
00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:22.259
Yeah, no, that's why we love it.

631
00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:22.680
Yeah.

632
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:23.039
Yeah.

633
00:30:23.099 --> 00:30:27.900
It's the ambition of the, of it to make something brilliant even

634
00:30:27.900 --> 00:30:30.720
when you don't have, you know, 2 pennies to rub together.

635
00:30:30.779 --> 00:30:31.200
Yeah.

636
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:31.980
Yeah.

637
00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:36.299
I mean, you know, he basically takes over the show.

638
00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:40.740
It's the absence of David Tennant apart from a voice and the big

639
00:30:40.740 --> 00:30:44.759
thing that's fun to watch is John Sim is the master. just

640
00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:45.240
tremendous.

641
00:30:45.299 --> 00:30:47.099
He is tremendous.

642
00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:49.140
The other 2 people I really love in this episode.

643
00:30:49.259 --> 00:30:53.099
Tom Ellis, who is Tom Milligan.

644
00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:55.619
I cannot go past his performance.

645
00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:57.180
Most of performance.

646
00:30:57.240 --> 00:30:58.019
Most of us.

647
00:30:58.019 --> 00:31:00.240
That's what I'm talking.

648
00:31:00.299 --> 00:31:04.859
Well, if you watch Lucifer, then you'll know his performance just

649
00:31:04.859 --> 00:31:06.119
gets better and better, really.

650
00:31:06.180 --> 00:31:09.059
Most of us paused abruptly when he appeared on the screen.

651
00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:10.319
Well, what is he playing with?

652
00:31:10.380 --> 00:31:11.339
Lucifer.

653
00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:11.759
That's him.

654
00:31:11.819 --> 00:31:13.559
Oh, he has done well for himself.

655
00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:14.579
It has indeed.

656
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:17.579
And the other person is John Barrowman, who I think does a really

657
00:31:17.579 --> 00:31:19.019
stellar performance, is Jack.

658
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:21.299
Yeah, Tom Milligan's really great.

659
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:26.099
Let's talk about that little bit that going to see the Toclafane

660
00:31:26.099 --> 00:31:30.480
reveal with Alison Doherty, Professor Doherty.

661
00:31:30.539 --> 00:31:35.039
I just think that is so well told, so economically told.

662
00:31:35.099 --> 00:31:38.160
You know, it's the sort of thing that would have taken easily an

663
00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:40.980
episode or 2 in the classic series, but they just sort of rush

664
00:31:40.980 --> 00:31:41.279
in.

665
00:31:41.339 --> 00:31:43.319
Everything's told really super economically.

666
00:31:43.380 --> 00:31:45.539
Then we get the sort of giant reveal.

667
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:49.259
And then we humanise it with Professor Doherty, who I just think

668
00:31:49.259 --> 00:31:53.279
is an amazingly good character with a, you know, pining for

669
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:56.160
countdown and all of that.

670
00:31:56.220 --> 00:31:58.980
I hate the fact that at the end Martha goes and gives her

671
00:31:58.980 --> 00:31:59.279
flowers.

672
00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:00.480
I see, I loved that.

673
00:32:00.539 --> 00:32:01.319
No, I hate it.

674
00:32:01.380 --> 00:32:01.799
Why?

675
00:32:01.859 --> 00:32:02.099
Why?

676
00:32:02.099 --> 00:32:03.839
Because it just doesn't ring true to me.

677
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:05.160
She didn't actually do those things.

678
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:07.680
But she didn't.

679
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:08.460
No, it didn't.

680
00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:10.019
But in the bubble universe, it happened.

681
00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:13.740
And I had that potential in her as we all do when your family is

682
00:32:13.740 --> 00:32:14.339
threatened.

683
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:15.839
You will do anything to say.

684
00:32:15.900 --> 00:32:17.339
I think that's the message.

685
00:32:17.460 --> 00:32:18.720
I think Martha knows that.

686
00:32:18.779 --> 00:32:21.359
And so that's just about Martha forgiving her.

687
00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:25.200
I think that there's something humane about that.

688
00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:29.160
Our response to the master is to want to kill him with a big gun.

689
00:32:29.220 --> 00:32:34.740
Alison Doherty betrays Martha and has her delivered to the master

690
00:32:34.740 --> 00:32:38.460
and it just shows us some forgiveness.

691
00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:41.640
And I actually quite like the sort of little baffled, you know, I

692
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:46.200
quite like seeing her what her life is like without that year.

693
00:32:46.259 --> 00:32:47.339
Do you know what I mean?

694
00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:49.259
She's an academic at university.

695
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:50.339
She's happy.

696
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:55.440
It's really our only chance to see the world set right again, you

697
00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:58.500
know, because the world isn't set right really properly for the

698
00:32:58.500 --> 00:32:59.579
people on the valiant.

699
00:32:59.700 --> 00:33:02.880
So the only sign that everyone's sort of gone back to normal.

700
00:33:02.940 --> 00:33:06.119
I guess it's that and then when she rings Tom in the hospital and

701
00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:09.480
and then hangs up because she knows she can go and get him later

702
00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:10.079
you know.

703
00:33:10.140 --> 00:33:11.819
She doesn't, unfortunately.

704
00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:12.599
Well, maybe she does.

705
00:33:12.660 --> 00:33:13.680
Look, I take your point.

706
00:33:13.740 --> 00:33:15.779
It doesn't move me at all.

707
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:20.099
I don't particularly like her performance in the show, like I

708
00:33:20.099 --> 00:33:22.019
don't think it's a stellar performance.

709
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:23.160
I think it's by the numbers.

710
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:27.359
And I like her phoning Tom, I like that sort of thing.

711
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:29.579
That's fine, but it just doesn't work for me.

712
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:33.240
See, the closest we get to sort of a normal person reflecting on

713
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:35.220
what her life has become in this year, I think.

714
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:36.420
True.

715
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:43.259
Tom Milligan point and the destruction of Milligan by Doggerty is

716
00:33:43.259 --> 00:33:46.500
I think, the point of redemption and why I still assume that

717
00:33:46.500 --> 00:33:50.819
Russell is coming from the old Welsh Church position of, you know

718
00:33:50.819 --> 00:33:54.359
forgive everything and be redeemed in turn, buy it.

719
00:33:54.420 --> 00:33:58.559
You may lose everything, but you will actually still be yourself.

720
00:33:58.619 --> 00:33:59.400
Yeah.

721
00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:02.700
Yeah, I think that's that sort of moment of forgiveness.

722
00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:05.400
Like he gets killed and the master makes a fantastic joke.

723
00:34:05.460 --> 00:34:07.619
Like it's horribly bleak, isn't it?

724
00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:10.980
The way that the master kind of shoots him and then does that

725
00:34:10.980 --> 00:34:12.059
throwaway line about it.

726
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:13.500
Oh, I've never killed anyone before.

727
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:17.579
My 1st blood, you know, he says, and he kind of laughs and stuff

728
00:34:17.579 --> 00:34:18.599
and it's horrible.

729
00:34:18.659 --> 00:34:20.760
Like the master is sort of super horrible in it.

730
00:34:20.820 --> 00:34:26.099
But just, just having it put right, you know, Tom's okay and

731
00:34:26.099 --> 00:34:31.320
Alison's forgiven and we can move on and I guess that's what

732
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:34.679
Martha's job is at the end of the episode, isn't it?

733
00:34:34.739 --> 00:34:37.619
to kind of fix what they've experienced.

734
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:40.679
It is super religious, isn't it?

735
00:34:40.739 --> 00:34:45.659
You know, the world has gone to hell and it's saved through faith

736
00:34:45.659 --> 00:34:49.440
and it's a very anti-Russell.

737
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:50.400
Yeah.

738
00:34:50.460 --> 00:34:53.280
It's a very anti-Russell position to take.

739
00:34:53.340 --> 00:34:54.900
I would have thought, but perhaps not.

740
00:34:54.900 --> 00:34:58.619
Well, I think that, yeah, every cynic is actually an optimist in

741
00:34:58.619 --> 00:35:00.300
search of the truth and redemption.

742
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:05.519
Yeah, or, you know, like he seems to have a sort of wistful kind

743
00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:06.900
of feeling about religion.

744
00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:10.440
You know, his 1st mention of religion is in the end of the world

745
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:14.579
where he lists it as one of the weapons that's forbidden on

746
00:35:14.579 --> 00:35:16.079
platform one.

747
00:35:16.139 --> 00:35:21.480
But gridlock talks about religion being a positive unifying force

748
00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:25.920
that enables these people, all of these disparate, diverse people

749
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:29.460
to find a way of living together under really difficult

750
00:35:29.460 --> 00:35:31.260
circumstances.

751
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:35.880
But at the same time, he sees it as a thing that prevents them

752
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:38.219
from doing anything about those terrible circumstances.

753
00:35:38.340 --> 00:35:43.920
So he's not one way or another about religion, and he's not

754
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:48.480
religious, but he's clearly interested in it, and he's happy to

755
00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:49.920
borrow its iconography.

756
00:35:49.980 --> 00:35:53.579
These are stories that, you know, permeate our culture and and

757
00:35:53.579 --> 00:35:57.119
even though we're all sort of, you know, in a post-religious

758
00:35:57.119 --> 00:35:59.639
environment, those stories are really resonant.

759
00:35:59.699 --> 00:36:04.980
I think that it's nice to see him kind of dip in and use them.

760
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:25.019
So, of course, Martha just happens to survive through chance, Tom

761
00:36:25.019 --> 00:36:27.480
running out and saving her, the master's quite prepared to kill

762
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:31.679
off a Doctor Who companion, and then she just happens to get taken

763
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:35.940
up to the craft just in time for the countdown to be going down

764
00:36:35.940 --> 00:36:42.360
and a series of conveniences, and she's still Martha Blankface up

765
00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:44.280
until the point where she begins to laugh.

766
00:36:44.340 --> 00:36:48.420
I find it. great to see that happening, but I find it so jarring

767
00:36:48.420 --> 00:36:52.139
after an episode of very little, for me, emotion from her.

768
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:58.380
Suddenly it's like this, this laughter, but in that moment, it

769
00:36:58.380 --> 00:37:02.219
reminded me of how much I really love Freema, and she's such a

770
00:37:02.219 --> 00:37:03.719
this is such a Joe Grant moment.

771
00:37:03.900 --> 00:37:05.639
I just feel that.

772
00:37:05.699 --> 00:37:10.440
And the fact that we then see everybody chanting the doctor at the

773
00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:13.019
same time, and I'm getting chills now.

774
00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:16.380
I really love that moment, you know, obviously through this, I've

775
00:37:16.380 --> 00:37:17.940
been talking about all these nickels that I have.

776
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:20.639
But I just want to say to people, I still like this episode

777
00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:21.480
right?

778
00:37:21.539 --> 00:37:24.659
I still give it 7 or 7.5 , but that's 2 points less than what I

779
00:37:24.659 --> 00:37:26.760
would give last week because of those things.

780
00:37:26.820 --> 00:37:32.460
But through her actions at the end, through getting rid of the

781
00:37:32.460 --> 00:37:36.420
dormy doctor, through John Sims performance, through her mum's

782
00:37:36.420 --> 00:37:42.119
performance, the sheer will of the performances get me through to

783
00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:42.659
this point.

784
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:45.480
And I think I can't see any other way of doing it.

785
00:37:45.539 --> 00:37:47.519
Like Russell has plotted everything out, right?

786
00:37:47.579 --> 00:37:49.679
And it's, I think it's some of the best plotting that he's ever

787
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:51.300
really done and set up.

788
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:53.519
And he ties up everything.

789
00:37:53.579 --> 00:37:55.920
But for some reason, I'm for some reason.

790
00:37:55.980 --> 00:37:59.820
I'm still at this point, slightly unsatisfied, which is why it's

791
00:37:59.820 --> 00:38:03.239
not my favourite finale of these 1st 3 years.

792
00:38:03.300 --> 00:38:08.699
But in that moment, in that moment of everybody chanting the

793
00:38:08.699 --> 00:38:12.179
doctor, I think it's, I think that's a magical moment, magical.

794
00:38:12.420 --> 00:38:16.019
What I think is a little bit less magical is David Tennant

795
00:38:16.019 --> 00:38:21.719
cradling John Simmons in his arms and blubbing and boring snort

796
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:28.079
all over him and just doing his usual horrible overacting thing.

797
00:38:28.139 --> 00:38:30.719
I just found that all just a little bit hard to take.

798
00:38:30.780 --> 00:38:34.380
This is where I think John Simm absolutely shines in that moment

799
00:38:34.380 --> 00:38:36.360
and it makes David Tennant.

800
00:38:36.420 --> 00:38:39.659
He's saying, I would rather die than continue this scene with

801
00:38:39.659 --> 00:38:40.199
him.

802
00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:47.159
But making a joke out of it, but actually, this comes back to what

803
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:50.219
we were saying earlier about the masters never really won.

804
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:52.380
And in that moment, he wins.

805
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:53.099
Yeah.

806
00:38:53.099 --> 00:38:55.800
He says, well, you know, you've defeated my plan.

807
00:38:55.860 --> 00:39:00.239
You, you know, you want to imprison me in your Tartars for the, for

808
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:01.260
the rest of eternity.

809
00:39:01.260 --> 00:39:03.539
No, I get to win.

810
00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:05.699
I'm going to win in this situation.

811
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:06.480
I'm going to die.

812
00:39:06.539 --> 00:39:07.380
Yeah.

813
00:39:07.380 --> 00:39:08.159
He doesn't die.

814
00:39:08.219 --> 00:39:09.480
He's got another plan.

815
00:39:09.659 --> 00:39:12.900
Russell said it's the Rani that rescues the ring.

816
00:39:13.019 --> 00:39:13.860
Yeah, yeah.

817
00:39:13.860 --> 00:39:14.519
Back in the day.

818
00:39:14.579 --> 00:39:17.099
Or it ends up being Mrs. Trefusis, doesn't it?

819
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:19.139
Which, of course, is Vivian Faye, isn't it?

820
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:19.800
Yes Yeah.

821
00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:24.119
But I think it's, you know, the governor of Wentworth cell block

822
00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:24.480
age.

823
00:39:24.539 --> 00:39:25.920
I think it's some, definitely.

824
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:27.119
Mrs. Davidson.

825
00:39:27.179 --> 00:39:30.119
Well, no, it's actually like it's actually Tracy Simpson's hand.

826
00:39:30.179 --> 00:39:31.739
Okay, right, right.

827
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:33.719
And that is set up.

828
00:39:33.780 --> 00:39:37.559
So it does look like he wins by dying, but he does have a sort of

829
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:38.699
evil backup land.

830
00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:40.679
Yeah, get out of jail free car.

831
00:39:40.739 --> 00:39:43.920
But I like that because so often in the original series, he's like

832
00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:47.940
burnt to death and then no explanation as to why he's been

833
00:39:47.940 --> 00:39:48.539
resurrected.

834
00:39:48.539 --> 00:39:52.139
And I like that little touches that you can take it or leave it.

835
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:53.400
But it will come back into play.

836
00:39:53.460 --> 00:39:55.980
So he did escape from Castrovava after all.

837
00:39:57.659 --> 00:40:01.139
But they, I mean, he does get to talk about the sea devils and the

838
00:40:01.139 --> 00:40:01.619
axons.

839
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:02.460
I like that stuff.

840
00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:03.059
It's very good.

841
00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:10.139
But there's no escaping the end of the season and the departure of

842
00:40:10.139 --> 00:40:12.840
Martha Jones, if we can talk about this for a moment.

843
00:40:12.900 --> 00:40:13.559
Yeah.

844
00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:17.820
I think it's the best companion departure in you who, having now

845
00:40:17.820 --> 00:40:19.019
watched 11 years.

846
00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:23.159
For once somebody gets to leave on their own terms, without being

847
00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:27.179
displaced in time, near death, you know, away from their real

848
00:40:27.179 --> 00:40:27.599
world.

849
00:40:27.659 --> 00:40:31.260
And yes, she's got a job to do, but it's her job and the strength

850
00:40:31.260 --> 00:40:34.619
that she shows in that sequence.

851
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:39.719
I'm just so in awe of not only the character and the writing, but

852
00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:44.039
the performance of Freema and my opinion of her has just

853
00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:45.059
completely changed.

854
00:40:45.179 --> 00:40:47.760
I would tend to agree with you on that.

855
00:40:47.820 --> 00:40:53.460
So this character for the entire season has been robbed somewhat

856
00:40:53.460 --> 00:40:54.239
of her agency.

857
00:40:54.300 --> 00:41:00.599
She's got a crush on this man who basically takes perfect

858
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:01.260
granted.

859
00:41:01.380 --> 00:41:05.400
And in that moment she says, no, I'm in control of my life.

860
00:41:05.460 --> 00:41:07.380
I'm making this decision.

861
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:11.039
I'm leaving because this is my life.

862
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:13.679
I like how she gets to say it.

863
00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:17.519
Like, initially, she says, I have to leave and look after my

864
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:21.360
family, and that's what she has always done.

865
00:41:21.420 --> 00:41:25.019
You know, she is caring in a way that Rose wasn't.

866
00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:28.980
And then she comes back and says, no, actually, here's why I'm

867
00:41:28.980 --> 00:41:29.280
leaving.

868
00:41:29.340 --> 00:41:34.800
And I really, really like that scene and I kind of like it because

869
00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:36.239
we've talked before.

870
00:41:36.300 --> 00:41:38.099
I cry at companion departures.

871
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:41.159
I don't cry when the doctor regenerates, particularly because

872
00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:46.079
they're still the doctor, but this one, I just think, is amazing.

873
00:41:46.139 --> 00:41:49.739
And I love her coming back and telling that story and the doctor

874
00:41:49.739 --> 00:41:51.719
kind of goes, is this going anywhere?

875
00:41:51.780 --> 00:41:53.099
you know, where is this going?

876
00:41:53.219 --> 00:41:57.420
And then she makes her point and she gets to leave triumphantly.

877
00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:01.320
And it's a problem, you know, that the show has, basically the

878
00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:04.380
only way you can write someone out is having the doctor lock the

879
00:42:04.380 --> 00:42:07.559
door on them and leave them outside the 1st time they meet some

880
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:08.639
passing Scotsman.

881
00:42:08.699 --> 00:42:09.599
Yeah.

882
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:11.099
Doing the accent.

883
00:42:11.159 --> 00:42:12.119
That's right.

884
00:42:12.179 --> 00:42:15.059
And now that the doctor can control the TARDIS and come back

885
00:42:15.059 --> 00:42:15.900
whenever he wants.

886
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:18.059
Why would a companion ever have to leave at all?

887
00:42:18.119 --> 00:42:20.639
And they went to great lengths to get rid of Billy.

888
00:42:20.699 --> 00:42:22.800
And this one is brilliant.

889
00:42:22.860 --> 00:42:24.599
She just says, nope, I'm done.

890
00:42:24.659 --> 00:42:28.679
I've had enough, and it's not a sort of Tegan, I can't cope with

891
00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:30.420
another Eric Saywood story.

892
00:42:30.780 --> 00:42:32.579
I've got to go.

893
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:33.480
See?

894
00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:37.380
Yes. 9 stories, 900 stories.

895
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:43.199
I mean, we've talked about, you know, companion departures in the

896
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:48.000
classic series being a case of, uh, contract Hodson's contract

897
00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:48.840
roulette.

898
00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:49.920
That's right.

899
00:42:49.980 --> 00:42:56.460
And so how so many of them are so poorly flagged and visualised.

900
00:42:56.460 --> 00:43:00.539
And here, it is just so well done.

901
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:04.559
I think I hope that, obviously, we've just watched the 1st series

902
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:05.280
of Jody.

903
00:43:05.340 --> 00:43:09.659
I hope that when these 3 companions go, that Chris takes a note of

904
00:43:09.659 --> 00:43:13.440
this rather than having to kill them or pseudo kill them or

905
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:16.500
whatever it is, that they can leave on their own terms like this

906
00:43:16.500 --> 00:43:19.139
because I just think it should have happened more than when it's

907
00:43:19.139 --> 00:43:19.440
happened now.

908
00:43:19.500 --> 00:43:22.440
But it makes it unique at this and that's why it's so powerful.

909
00:43:22.500 --> 00:43:26.579
So she's the only companion who doesn't leave for science fiction

910
00:43:26.579 --> 00:43:27.480
reasons.

911
00:43:27.539 --> 00:43:28.500
Is that right?

912
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:30.059
In the new series.

913
00:43:30.300 --> 00:43:33.780
Well, I mean, look at look at Rose.

914
00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:36.119
Like, so she's an alternative thing.

915
00:43:36.179 --> 00:43:41.280
You look at Rory and Amy, like they've been zapped back in time, so

916
00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:42.360
they can't see the family.

917
00:43:42.420 --> 00:43:44.760
I mean she gets the choice to make, but he doesn't.

918
00:43:44.820 --> 00:43:49.380
Yeah, and then Clara and Bill both travel in time together and

919
00:43:49.380 --> 00:43:50.519
become the doctor and stuff.

920
00:43:50.579 --> 00:43:52.380
But then dead or alive.

921
00:43:52.500 --> 00:43:53.760
Depending on what you think.

922
00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:54.659
Or a puddle.

923
00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:56.219
Play a radio puddle.

924
00:43:56.460 --> 00:43:57.960
To me.

925
00:43:58.019 --> 00:44:00.900
And then, of course, Donna, the version of Donna is not the same

926
00:44:00.900 --> 00:44:01.320
version.

927
00:44:01.380 --> 00:44:02.940
Like, she dies in a way.

928
00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:06.000
So that's why I really love this departure.

929
00:44:06.059 --> 00:44:09.960
I think they always sort of play it in such a way and they do it

930
00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:14.519
kind of deliberately, you know, that thing where in a companion's

931
00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:18.360
last episode, they say there's no way I could ever leave you, ever

932
00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:19.559
ever, ever sort of thing.

933
00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:22.619
And then they're, you know, a bird flies into them or something.

934
00:44:22.980 --> 00:44:24.539
You know.

935
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:27.960
And so just having someone leave for normal character reasons, I

936
00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:29.400
think is great. is brilliant.

937
00:44:29.460 --> 00:44:30.900
And Martha, we'll be back next year.

938
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:34.380
She makes that quite clear and in fact, I think she does 4

939
00:44:34.380 --> 00:44:39.719
episodes next year, 4 or 5 episodes, and she'll do a few

940
00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:40.800
torchwoods as well.

941
00:44:40.860 --> 00:44:47.639
So she is back, perhaps not quite as rewardingly as we might have

942
00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:49.619
hoped, but she'll be back.

943
00:44:49.619 --> 00:44:53.880
And I think it's the best companion departure, like you, Todd.

944
00:44:53.940 --> 00:44:55.920
I think it's the best companion departure of the new series.

945
00:45:04.980 --> 00:45:06.659
I'll go with my pick at the wink.

946
00:45:06.780 --> 00:45:10.500
And as always, I'm going to go with a classic Doctor Who story.

947
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:11.219
Brilliant.

948
00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:15.119
One which has the Toclafane of the original series.

949
00:45:15.179 --> 00:45:19.320
Very shimmery and I'm sure their ultimate reveal will just make

950
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:20.340
you dumbfounded.

951
00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:21.300
Vardens.

952
00:45:22.019 --> 00:45:27.179
It's got the original space rhinos of the original series, the

953
00:45:27.179 --> 00:45:28.139
Santarans.

954
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:30.179
It's even got Time Lords in it.

955
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:34.199
And it's got one of the best companion departures ever in the

956
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:35.519
history of Doctor Who.

957
00:45:35.579 --> 00:45:38.519
This is how it should be done in contract roulette.

958
00:45:38.579 --> 00:45:43.800
It's even got a slight cliffhanger into the next series with a bit

959
00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:44.519
of a reveal.

960
00:45:44.579 --> 00:45:49.500
So, of course, as we know it here, it's Tom Barker and Lois

961
00:45:49.500 --> 00:45:54.539
Jemison in carry on Galafreeing, or as you will know it, the

962
00:45:54.539 --> 00:45:55.320
invasion of time.

963
00:45:55.440 --> 00:45:56.940
Good choice.

964
00:45:57.000 --> 00:45:57.840
I thought I was wrong.

965
00:46:00.900 --> 00:46:03.659
It is actually a very good story for all the reasons it shouldn't

966
00:46:03.659 --> 00:46:03.840
be.

967
00:46:03.900 --> 00:46:05.280
Invasion of time.

968
00:46:05.340 --> 00:46:07.500
Maybe there's got some parallels to this one because of that as

969
00:46:07.500 --> 00:46:07.739
well.

970
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:08.880
Maybe.

971
00:46:08.940 --> 00:46:11.460
You know, it's for the companion departure, right?

972
00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:13.500
As a...

973
00:46:13.500 --> 00:46:16.260
Are you saying it's unparallel with this companion?

974
00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:17.940
We've just seen how good it can be.

975
00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:20.760
Oh, I think they wanted to go back and see, well, you know.

976
00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:24.780
Dodo sends her love and I hope so.

977
00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:27.059
Ow.

978
00:46:28.380 --> 00:46:32.159
So my pick of the week is life on Mars.

979
00:46:32.219 --> 00:46:33.539
Oh, good choice.

980
00:46:33.599 --> 00:46:34.260
Oh, wow, yeah.

981
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:40.920
I still think it is one of the best mystery, police procedural

982
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:45.300
supernatural sci-fi fantasy shows that the BBC has ever made.

983
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:46.860
And they've made a lot of them.

984
00:46:46.980 --> 00:46:49.619
It shows that Matthew Graham can actually write.

985
00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:50.460
Yeah.

986
00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:53.460
Sorry, what else did you do for me and the listeners?

987
00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:54.480
Fear.

988
00:46:55.260 --> 00:46:56.940
And the rebel flesh, the also people.

989
00:46:57.059 --> 00:46:58.019
Oh, well, that's very good.

990
00:46:58.079 --> 00:46:59.760
Did he do the doctor's daughter as well?

991
00:46:59.820 --> 00:47:02.039
No, that's Stephen Greenwood. sorry.

992
00:47:02.699 --> 00:47:03.420
I forgot that.

993
00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:05.760
I was thinking the doctor's wife.

994
00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:07.199
We're cutting all this.

995
00:47:07.260 --> 00:47:08.880
It makes us look like we don't know about Doctor Who.

996
00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:11.460
I'm shocked that you haven't chosen a big finish.

997
00:47:11.579 --> 00:47:12.840
I know.

998
00:47:12.900 --> 00:47:17.340
So am I. Yes, I mean, I really love life on Mars.

999
00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:21.239
I think it is brilliant and ashes to ashes, I think, actually

1000
00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:22.199
improves on it.

1001
00:47:22.260 --> 00:47:23.579
So go and watch them now.

1002
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:24.539
Brilliant.

1003
00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:27.119
When are we doing the life on Mars Ashes to Ashes podcast?

1004
00:47:27.179 --> 00:47:28.260
You just did it, darling.

1005
00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:28.980
Hey.

1006
00:47:28.980 --> 00:47:30.599
That was it.

1007
00:47:32.219 --> 00:47:37.739
We are coming up on the 2 year mark since the yes result in the

1008
00:47:37.739 --> 00:47:39.360
postal survey.

1009
00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:45.480
And on a personal note, we're recording this on the day before, uh

1010
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:50.760
well, the the day before my 1st anniversary, 1st wedding

1011
00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:55.199
anniversary, and of course, the 1st anniversary of the release of

1012
00:47:55.199 --> 00:47:58.619
our World War 3 episode just as importantly.

1013
00:47:59.099 --> 00:48:04.320
And so what I want to recommend is a book called How Powerful We

1014
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:09.360
Are by Sally Rugg, who ran the Marriage Equality Campaign.

1015
00:48:09.420 --> 00:48:14.760
She was an activist who used to work for get up, and it is an

1016
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:22.619
account of the years of work that led up to our final victory in

1017
00:48:22.619 --> 00:48:26.099
that horrific postal survey that was inflicted on us.

1018
00:48:26.219 --> 00:48:32.280
It is a hard read at times and it does bring back memories of a

1019
00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:38.519
pretty rough few weeks, but it is absolutely, I think, worth

1020
00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:40.559
remembering and commemorating.

1021
00:48:40.619 --> 00:48:43.320
So that Sally Rugg, how powerful we are.

1022
00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:49.980
It's also kind of draws a parallel to the power of the human

1023
00:48:49.980 --> 00:48:51.840
spirit to turn doctor into an angel.

1024
00:48:51.900 --> 00:48:56.219
Oh, it's Martha going around the world and telling people to vote

1025
00:48:56.219 --> 00:48:57.360
yes, in the postal service.

1026
00:48:57.420 --> 00:49:00.420
My only pick of the week and it's really little.

1027
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:02.519
And I think you can actually get it free.

1028
00:49:02.639 --> 00:49:06.960
Just because it's grabbed for me this week, what Russell's been

1029
00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:07.500
writing about.

1030
00:49:07.500 --> 00:49:10.739
And because of lovely friend of the podcast, Richard Ewitt, I have

1031
00:49:10.739 --> 00:49:13.440
subscription to the London review of books.

1032
00:49:13.500 --> 00:49:14.820
And thank you, Richard.

1033
00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:20.460
And John Manchester, who's one of the really good writers, talks

1034
00:49:20.460 --> 00:49:23.280
about the case for the universal basic income.

1035
00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:26.760
And it really does feel like, oh, this is just another Russell

1036
00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:28.739
episode if he actually stuck around.

1037
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:32.340
I think it's what this story has been telling us, if we simply

1038
00:49:32.340 --> 00:49:36.059
have a structure of society that supports everyone, no matter what

1039
00:49:36.059 --> 00:49:40.440
side of politics you come from, we could avoid the Saxons.

1040
00:49:40.500 --> 00:49:42.420
Although they are fun.

1041
00:49:42.539 --> 00:49:43.500
They are fun.

1042
00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:45.539
For a little while.

1043
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:47.340
It's difficult, isn't it?

1044
00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:48.420
How much fun do you need?

1045
00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:21.900
Well, there is her, we're off to hunt whatever's still left of our

1046
00:50:21.900 --> 00:50:25.079
families at this point, so that's all the time we have for this

1047
00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:25.380
week.

1048
00:50:25.380 --> 00:50:28.800
We'll be back next week to clear up all the mess we've made in the

1049
00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:31.980
last few months in our series 3 retrospective.

1050
00:50:32.099 --> 00:50:35.880
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts

1051
00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:38.639
and you can keep up with us at Flight Through Entirety on Facebook

1052
00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:42.239
at FTE podcast on Twitter, and on our website, Flightthrough

1053
00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:45.659
Entirety.com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts

1054
00:50:45.659 --> 00:50:47.760
Bondfinger and Jody Interterra.

1055
00:50:48.179 --> 00:50:53.280
Until next time, remember that the universe ends in a 100 trillion

1056
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:56.400
years, so you've probably got enough time for just one more space

1057
00:50:56.400 --> 00:50:58.440
1999 marathon.

1058
00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:00.900
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1059
00:51:01.500 --> 00:51:03.239
See you soon.

1060
00:51:03.300 --> 00:51:04.500
Good everything.

1061
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:10.920
That was Flight Through Entirety, starring Todd Bilby, Nathan

1062
00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:12.900
Bottomley, James Selwood, and Richard Stone.

1063
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:16.019
Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, Strings Performance by Jane

1064
00:51:16.019 --> 00:51:16.679
Orberg.

1065
00:51:16.739 --> 00:51:20.219
This episode, saving the world with the power of podcasting, was

1066
00:51:20.219 --> 00:51:23.880
recorded on the 22nd of September 2019 and released on the 8th of

1067
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:24.179
December.

1068
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:29.820
It took us about 12 years to come up with all that nonsense about

1069
00:51:29.820 --> 00:51:31.260
last of the time, Lords.

1070
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:33.420
If you want to see what we can come up with in just a couple of

1071
00:51:33.420 --> 00:51:36.119
days, make sure you're still subscribed to our Doctor Who

1072
00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:39.300
flashcast Jody into Tara, which will be starting up again in the

1073
00:51:39.300 --> 00:51:39.719
new year.

1074
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:43.260
Do you know the Sean and Vicky reference that I did?

1075
00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:44.280
Sean and Vicky.

1076
00:51:44.340 --> 00:51:47.280
Nathan, I've got no idea what you just mentioned about the Sean

1077
00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:48.179
and Vicky records.

1078
00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:49.679
I've got no idea This isn't going in.

1079
00:51:49.739 --> 00:51:54.539
So it's, it's, um, it's, Sean, Vicky is the person who was in love

1080
00:51:54.539 --> 00:51:56.039
with Sean, the flatmate.

1081
00:51:56.099 --> 00:51:58.920
She was in love with Sean the whole time, but he never noticed

1082
00:51:58.920 --> 00:51:59.219
her.

1083
00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:02.340
It's the story that Martha comes in and tells the dog.

1084
00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:04.260
That's right.

1085
00:52:06.659 --> 00:52:11.039
So we were doing Sean the whole time behind Vicki's back.

1086
00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:12.780
Okay, thank you.

1087
00:52:12.780 --> 00:52:13.739
I was so proud of that.

1088
00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:15.239
That's very clever.

1089
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:16.019
That's my jokes.

1090
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:16.860
That's all right.

1091
00:52:17.219 --> 00:52:18.780
All right.

1092
00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:20.820
So director Colin Teague is back.

1093
00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:21.780
Hooray.

1094
00:52:21.780 --> 00:52:22.559
For part two.

1095
00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:24.059
What's he done besides these 2 episodes?

1096
00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:24.659
Torchwood.

1097
00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:25.920
Oh okay.

1098
00:52:25.980 --> 00:52:27.360
Lots and lots of torchwood.

1099
00:52:27.420 --> 00:52:29.820
Tortured in the Sarah Jane adventures mostly.

1100
00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:30.659
Right, okay.

1101
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:32.820
But no other Doctor Who other than these two episodes?

1102
00:52:34.019 --> 00:52:36.840
I think he comes back. he?

1103
00:52:36.900 --> 00:52:38.340
Can we look it up?

1104
00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:40.260
Yeah, I think we really ought too, James.

1105
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:42.059
Keep talking when it's slow.

1106
00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:43.320
Well, wait, no, no, don't keep talking.

1107
00:52:43.380 --> 00:52:44.280
We can't solve anything.

1108
00:52:44.460 --> 00:52:47.880
Uh, Wiki.

1109
00:52:50.940 --> 00:52:52.679
Also, more graphy.

1110
00:52:52.739 --> 00:52:54.360
I am almost there.

1111
00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:57.179
I heard a cry.

1112
00:52:57.300 --> 00:52:58.980
That was me.

1113
00:52:59.099 --> 00:53:01.139
I heard a cry.

1114
00:53:01.500 --> 00:53:03.900
That was...

1115
00:53:03.900 --> 00:53:07.860
Holby City, lovers burning shooters, Sarah Jane tortured Doctor

1116
00:53:07.860 --> 00:53:11.099
Who, 3 episodes, 2007 to 2008.

1117
00:53:11.219 --> 00:53:12.599
So you must have done one next year.

1118
00:53:12.659 --> 00:53:14.940
Being human, hustle.

1119
00:53:16.619 --> 00:53:18.059
Okay.

1120
00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:20.099
Maybe we could talk to that.

1121
00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:23.820
So this is this is Colin 2nd episode.

1122
00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:26.280
Yeah, and we'll do one more next year.

1123
00:53:26.340 --> 00:53:27.780
So we open.

1124
00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:30.420
One year later.