WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 14:32:02 1 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:44.520 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flightthrough Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast that was secretly doing Sean behind Vicki's back the whole time. 2 00:00:44.579 --> 00:00:46.320 Sorry, Martha. 3 00:00:46.380 --> 00:00:47.219 I'm Nathan. 4 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:48.240 I'm James. 5 00:00:48.299 --> 00:00:54.600 I'm Todd. and I'm 2 buckets of Nembutal in a red dress with a cock pistol for this one. 6 00:00:54.659 --> 00:01:03.960 Well, it's been an entire year since our last episode, and we've been going from house to house telling everyone we meet about how much we all owe to the work of Eric Seyward. 7 00:01:04.019 --> 00:01:05.700 Have our efforts been in vain? 8 00:01:05.760 --> 00:01:10.739 Let's find out as we discuss the series 3 finale, Last of the Time Lords. 9 00:01:10.799 --> 00:01:17.760 I can't decide whether you should live or die or you'll probably blow it ever. 10 00:01:17.819 --> 00:01:23.219 Please don't hang your head and grind, I wonder why my heart feels dead inside. 11 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:25.799 It's going hard and petrified. 12 00:01:25.859 --> 00:01:28.379 Lock the doors and close fly. 13 00:01:28.439 --> 00:01:30.000 Going for a ride. 14 00:01:30.060 --> 00:01:31.379 So we open it. 15 00:01:31.439 --> 00:01:33.599 One year later. 16 00:01:33.659 --> 00:01:38.159 So Russell says that he got this idea from Battlestar Galactica, I think. 17 00:01:38.219 --> 00:01:50.099 And so you might remember that Battlestar Galactica has this incredible thing, which happens, it doesn't even happen at a commercial break or at a season finale or, you know, in between episodes. 18 00:01:50.159 --> 00:01:55.799 It happens in the middle of an act where Gaius Baltar puts his head in his hands and then it's a year later. 19 00:01:55.859 --> 00:01:56.939 And it's wonderful. 20 00:01:57.000 --> 00:01:58.319 I mean, it's such a great idea. 21 00:01:58.379 --> 00:02:06.900 And I think Russell says no one watched Battlestone Galactica in England, so he could afford to do it on his lovely show, which 1000000s and 1000000s of people were watching every Saturday. 22 00:02:07.140 --> 00:02:09.719 You're so joyous about this fact. 23 00:02:09.780 --> 00:02:10.620 I am not. 24 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:13.379 I loved it on Battlestar Galactica up to this point. 25 00:02:13.439 --> 00:02:22.860 Very few shows like these days we've got, like in the last 10 years, so many shows do time jumps all around the place has just become ad hoc in any American thing. 26 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:26.159 But up to this point, you know, it's a science fiction concept. 27 00:02:26.219 --> 00:02:28.680 The moment I saw it, I just went, oh, great. 28 00:02:28.740 --> 00:02:33.780 We're going to have a Voyager reset button happening and it just put me off the entire episode. 29 00:02:33.840 --> 00:02:34.800 Oh, but come on. 30 00:02:34.860 --> 00:02:38.520 We must have known there was a reset button happening by the end of last week's episode. 31 00:02:38.580 --> 00:02:41.520 I think the giveaway was Bobby Ewing in the shower. 32 00:02:41.580 --> 00:02:42.419 Yeah, that's right. 33 00:02:42.419 --> 00:02:44.219 With John Sims and Lucy. 34 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:52.139 The rest of the show isn't going to continue after a 10th of the earth's population has been destroyed, which happens at the end of the previous thing. 35 00:02:52.199 --> 00:02:54.960 And we've seen the paradox machine. 36 00:02:55.020 --> 00:02:56.759 And I think if we have our wits about us. 37 00:02:56.819 --> 00:02:58.319 We't mention the paradox machine last week. 38 00:02:58.379 --> 00:03:00.360 Red Wedding Tardis. 39 00:03:00.419 --> 00:03:03.900 Well, I didn't have my wits about me, right? 40 00:03:03.960 --> 00:03:06.300 And so the paradox machine just went over my head. 41 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:08.639 Like, and it still goes over my head. 42 00:03:08.699 --> 00:03:10.500 I mean, I see that it's there. 43 00:03:10.560 --> 00:03:13.560 It's all, Russell has, has got everything set up. 44 00:03:13.620 --> 00:03:29.639 You said last week, you know, people complain about him just making it up on the spot, but this time around, It's actually all plotted out so that we're going to be able to get to an end where the master doesn't just jump into his TARDIS, which happens to be in the corner as a grandfather clock, right? 45 00:03:29.699 --> 00:03:31.259 There are consequences. 46 00:03:31.319 --> 00:03:34.919 And we know that their companion is getting written out, right? 47 00:03:34.979 --> 00:03:37.620 So he's actually moving all the elements to an end. 48 00:03:37.740 --> 00:03:42.960 But I just loathe one here later. 49 00:03:43.020 --> 00:03:50.460 It's a personal thing and it's one of many little things in this episode that, for me, take the shine off where it's going, right? 50 00:03:50.520 --> 00:03:52.319 And they just annoy me, right? 51 00:03:52.379 --> 00:04:01.979 So I think it's a good idea, and I think the reason is that it gives the masters victory a chance to stick. 52 00:04:02.039 --> 00:04:07.560 So the master's victory lasts for a long time and has a massive effect on the world. 53 00:04:07.620 --> 00:04:14.099 So it enables the scale of the master's victory to be something that we've never, ever seen before. 54 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:25.079 So it's a little bit like the Dalek invasion of Earth, where we arrive, and the Daleks have been in control of Earth for a long time, and we get to see that here. 55 00:04:25.139 --> 00:04:27.959 We get to see the master have a massive effect on the world. 56 00:04:28.019 --> 00:04:31.740 And so the scale of what he's able to achieve wouldn't have been possible. 57 00:04:31.800 --> 00:04:34.680 And that makes the stakes so much higher. 58 00:04:34.740 --> 00:04:53.939 And I do think that the reset button, which, as we said, is just inevitable from the moment that he destroys a 10th of the world's population last week, is earned, and it's not a proper reset bung, because it still happened, as Francine says, at the very end. 59 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:55.800 All of those things still happened. 60 00:04:55.860 --> 00:04:56.819 I remember them. 61 00:04:56.879 --> 00:05:05.160 And so it's the effect that it has on the characters that we care about, that means that it's not all thrown away. 62 00:05:05.220 --> 00:05:11.759 You know, very often on Voyagers, as you say, Todd, they'll have an adventure and no one remembers it, except ask the audience. 63 00:05:11.819 --> 00:05:13.379 And so who cares? 64 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:19.800 But here, it has a massive devastating effect on Martha and her family and as a result, the doctor. 65 00:05:19.860 --> 00:05:21.660 I don't disagree with you. 66 00:05:21.779 --> 00:05:23.279 Like in that thing. 67 00:05:23.339 --> 00:05:24.360 I just don't feel it. 68 00:05:24.420 --> 00:05:27.300 I don't feel the effect on the mother. 69 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:28.079 I don't feel it. 70 00:05:28.139 --> 00:05:31.860 When they say like Martha's the only person to get out of Japan alive. 71 00:05:31.920 --> 00:05:33.839 I just rolled my eyes and went, yeah, okay. 72 00:05:33.899 --> 00:05:38.699 Yeah, you're making your point that, you know, this is the devastating thing, but we're not really going to see that. 73 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:41.040 You know, Martha's walk to the earth. 74 00:05:41.100 --> 00:05:51.300 What we see is a budgetary constraints where she walks on a beach and we get a flashback to her beach and we get a flashback to the 11 lot of room that she sits in to talk to people. 75 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:54.720 Like, we don't see all those things we get told about it. 76 00:05:54.779 --> 00:06:05.279 And that's, as I said, it's a budgetary thing here where you don't get to see all those things where I really want to see that, to really feel it and I don't feel it. 77 00:06:05.339 --> 00:06:09.060 So what Russell does instead is he does some representative bits of that. 78 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:16.620 So we get to see what her life is like, not by spending a year going around with her and, you know, some spinoff media will do that later. 79 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:20.339 But we get to see sort of what that must have been like. 80 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:33.180 And again, you know, the master is always risking being cute and cuddly because the job of the master is to make us like him or her more than we like, the doctor. 81 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:36.240 And the master is often successful at that. 82 00:06:36.300 --> 00:06:38.879 Missy is a past mistress at it. 83 00:06:38.939 --> 00:06:43.740 We love her enormously and she is much more fun, even than Capaldi's doctor, I think. 84 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:45.360 Surely she's a past master. 85 00:06:45.420 --> 00:06:46.920 She is a past master. 86 00:06:47.459 --> 00:06:48.000 Not yet. 87 00:06:48.060 --> 00:06:49.319 She's a future master at it. 88 00:06:49.379 --> 00:07:00.180 So having him kill everyone in Japan, having him devastate the world and reduce them to sort of slave workers helps Russell to make his political point, you know, that... 89 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:01.379 Yeah, well, the... 90 00:07:01.379 --> 00:07:02.639 It's not high Wickham, is it? 91 00:07:02.879 --> 00:07:15.480 But it is, it's neoliberalism. you know, turning the world into a machine for manufacturing things to give power to a small number of people. 92 00:07:15.540 --> 00:07:16.920 It's a beautiful point. 93 00:07:16.980 --> 00:07:19.319 It's exactly what this master. 94 00:07:19.439 --> 00:07:22.500 Well, it's late stage capitalism in apotheosis. 95 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:23.160 Yeah. 96 00:07:23.220 --> 00:07:24.899 No, that's it. in the room, yes. 97 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:33.420 And so I just think that it creates an enormous scale for what the master does. 98 00:07:33.480 --> 00:07:34.740 And we had to go up. 99 00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:37.019 It was so hard not to do that. 100 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:44.519 Not just because the previous 2 finales were the end of the world, as I said, in the intro of last week's episode. 101 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:50.879 But because the master had, you know, trying to invade Earth so many times with the help of another alien race. 102 00:07:50.939 --> 00:07:54.300 He really had to win once Oh totally agree. 103 00:07:54.360 --> 00:07:59.399 I thought Toya Wilcox wasn't available and the and the Teletubbies were already signed up. 104 00:07:59.459 --> 00:08:02.040 Well, they were in last week's episode, actually. 105 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:24.600 So quite early on in the episode, we get the doctor, Francine, Jack, Tish, and Clive trying to stage a coup against the master, which ultimately fails with this number three. 106 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:27.660 And it's alluded that this is not the 1st time they've tried this. 107 00:08:27.720 --> 00:08:30.420 No, but it's a heist and that's really fun. 108 00:08:30.660 --> 00:08:44.100 So it gives us, it reminds us who all of these characters are. that they haven't been completely cowered by the master, but it does tell us how Michael Kane would have done it if he was posited into this film. 109 00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:45.000 Not a lot. 110 00:08:45.059 --> 00:08:45.720 People know that. 111 00:08:45.779 --> 00:08:47.820 My God, it's the Italian job. 112 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:50.100 It's wonderfully fine. middle of this. 113 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:59.759 It's quite cleverly also sitting up the whole countdown concept that Martha uses at the end of the episode. 114 00:08:59.820 --> 00:09:05.340 They do the 3 because they're at 3 o'clock, they are going to try this. 115 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:07.860 And so it's setting up watch the clock. 116 00:09:08.100 --> 00:09:16.860 Yeah, because later on there's a big countdown to the sort of giant attack that the master's going to launch on the rest of the universe from Earth. 117 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:19.500 And it gets people to do their shtick. 118 00:09:19.559 --> 00:09:25.980 And it also kind of justifies a really wonderful scene, I think, with the Jones family when they're all in prison afterwards. 119 00:09:25.980 --> 00:09:28.740 And they're all there talking about killing the master. 120 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:48.419 And Francine and Clive do this kind of, you know, the kiss where they're kind of, you know, they've turned evil and so they're sort of back together, they're going to kill the master, all 3 of them, even Tish will kill the master, given the chance, and they do a sort of wonderful conspiratorial kiss. 121 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:51.419 Clive and Francine. 122 00:09:51.480 --> 00:10:03.480 And it sells, I think, what's coming up later, which is the fact that Francine very nearly kills the master and is rescued from that. by the doctor. 123 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:10.799 It also sells the impact that this year has had on these characters. 124 00:10:10.860 --> 00:10:13.320 It's damaged them quite a lot. 125 00:10:13.980 --> 00:10:16.019 Look how Todd feels. 126 00:10:16.500 --> 00:10:18.480 Thanks, Richard. 127 00:10:18.539 --> 00:10:19.620 And he was just watching it. 128 00:10:20.039 --> 00:10:32.580 But it sells the fact that Martha has to leave the doctor, even if, you know, but the whole I'm in love with you and you don't want me thing aside, she has to leave because she has to look after her family. 129 00:10:32.580 --> 00:10:34.259 And she's a doctor. 130 00:10:34.320 --> 00:10:36.299 And that's the 1st thing we ever saw her do. 131 00:10:36.360 --> 00:10:37.259 She's the doctor. yeah. 132 00:10:37.320 --> 00:10:38.639 Yeah, that's the 1st thing. 133 00:10:38.700 --> 00:10:39.240 Yeah, yeah. 134 00:10:39.299 --> 00:10:44.340 Well, 1st thing we ever see her do is to try and prevent Clive from bringing Annalise to Leo's party. 135 00:10:44.399 --> 00:10:46.200 Whatever happened to Annalise? 136 00:10:46.259 --> 00:10:49.559 Wow, I would have loved to see the maids uniform. 137 00:10:49.620 --> 00:10:52.080 It's the cruellest thing that she's not in this, really. 138 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:53.279 Or in a talklafane head. 139 00:10:53.340 --> 00:10:58.679 Maybe she's floating around in a Toclophane mirror ball up there, you know, banging away to the rouge continuum or whatever it is. 140 00:10:58.740 --> 00:11:00.000 I've got a question though. 141 00:11:00.059 --> 00:11:03.960 Do we know under what religion Russell was brought up? 142 00:11:04.080 --> 00:11:07.620 Was it a Welsh Baptist? 143 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:08.519 I don't know. 144 00:11:08.519 --> 00:11:10.080 Harry, the Church of Harry Seacam. 145 00:11:10.139 --> 00:11:13.440 There's a lot of New Testament references in this, would you not say? 146 00:11:13.500 --> 00:11:14.399 Yeah, yeah. 147 00:11:14.460 --> 00:11:21.960 I'm not even getting to that, to when it all, it all goes up to the post-revelations, Andrew Lloyd Webber moments at the end. 148 00:11:22.019 --> 00:11:22.679 Yeah. 149 00:11:22.740 --> 00:11:40.860 Well, I think Russell, and we've observed this before, even this year, where gridlock is largely about religion, I mean, it's also about capitalism too, but it is, you know, to a great degree about religion and has some very obvious Protestant religious elements in it. 150 00:11:40.919 --> 00:11:47.519 And this one here has a religious resolution where it's faith. 151 00:11:47.580 --> 00:11:52.080 You know, the master mocks Martha and says, so that's your solution, is that prayer? 152 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:53.700 And prayer works. 153 00:11:53.820 --> 00:11:56.460 The faith of these people actually works. 154 00:11:56.519 --> 00:12:09.299 See, I think that's where Russell's continue where Russell's position falls down because I can see Russell talking to Matt Gruning about just, you know, just put a whole panel of thoughts and prayers buttons in front of him. 155 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:14.159 Yeah, and then get or in front of Mr. Burns and then give him the do nothing button. 156 00:12:14.220 --> 00:12:21.240 Because I really believe that after, you know, if this is, can be parallel to the shootings in the US, of which what day is it now? 157 00:12:21.299 --> 00:12:23.879 Russell, I'm really surprised at that. 158 00:12:23.940 --> 00:12:25.200 And that's the one point of this. 159 00:12:25.259 --> 00:12:32.159 I wonder if that's something that has annoyed Todd in the way that it was perhaps disappointing and how this was brought about. 160 00:12:32.220 --> 00:12:33.600 I really like where he's coming from. 161 00:12:33.659 --> 00:12:45.779 And I'm actually quite serious about the, has he come from a, from that from that Welsh church background, which is a little bit Methodist in a way that it's, you know, it's very much this collective can do attitude. 162 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:48.120 You know, we will keep a welcome in that hillside. 163 00:12:48.179 --> 00:12:55.740 I think that there is something about the resolution that is very human. 164 00:12:55.799 --> 00:12:58.320 So we get this faint, don't we? 165 00:12:58.379 --> 00:13:01.440 And we will talk in more detail about Martha's Quest and so on. 166 00:13:01.500 --> 00:13:13.259 But what we think the quest is about is about, it's like a science fiction quest to collect bits of a gun to assemble and so that Martha can shoot the master in the head and he can't regenerate. 167 00:13:13.379 --> 00:13:19.139 And I think we should be uncomfortable about that when we hear about it, but I'm not sure that we are. 168 00:13:19.200 --> 00:13:22.799 And part of the reason is that the situation is so incredibly desperate. 169 00:13:22.860 --> 00:13:33.419 Like, you know, this is the worst things have ever got, perhaps in a Doctor Who episode, apart from what Inferno episode, 5 or whatever, when the world's on fire. things are very bad. 170 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:39.840 And so maybe in that situation, Doctor Who thinks we have to shoot the villain in the head for once. 171 00:13:39.899 --> 00:13:43.500 And then we discovered that that's not what's happening. 172 00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:48.000 And what it is that saves us. 173 00:13:48.059 --> 00:13:53.340 Isn't the doctor does something really clever, although he plays his part and he's a focus of it. 174 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:57.120 It's human faith and it's human solidarity. 175 00:13:57.240 --> 00:14:03.720 It's that these people hope that there's a better story than we just shoot the villain in the head. 176 00:14:03.779 --> 00:14:06.360 And that's Doctor Who. 177 00:14:06.419 --> 00:14:08.279 You know, that's the ethics of Doctor Who. 178 00:14:08.340 --> 00:14:11.639 Now it turns out Lucy just shoots the villain in the head anyway. 179 00:14:11.700 --> 00:14:15.360 So it is a little bit, you know, it's a little bit of a cheat. 180 00:14:15.960 --> 00:14:16.740 It is the Simpsons. 181 00:14:17.100 --> 00:14:35.639 But, um, I think that this is Russell at his most rustly, because Russell, as you said last week, Richard, you can't, it's impossible to overstate how cynical and bleak Russell can be in his darkest moments, and we saw that in years and years. 182 00:14:35.700 --> 00:14:37.320 We saw it in cucumber. 183 00:14:37.379 --> 00:14:41.940 We saw it, you know, all the way back, I think, to queer as folk. 184 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:46.740 There were really sort of terrible sort of nihilistic elements in that. 185 00:14:46.860 --> 00:14:51.539 We'll go on to see it next year in, I think, midnight and turn left, you know. 186 00:14:51.840 --> 00:14:57.179 His stuff can be incredibly bleak, but here he goes for the human response. 187 00:14:57.240 --> 00:15:06.360 We don't just have, I mean, we don't have, you know, Jesus, doctor resurrected by the power of prayer and glowing and all of that, and all of that's sort of slightly embarrassing. 188 00:15:06.419 --> 00:15:10.500 And I'm sure that Todd would agree with me about that. 189 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:14.820 But the fact that the solution comes from people and that it's about talking. 190 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:17.279 It's about doing what we've done all our lives. 191 00:15:17.340 --> 00:15:21.899 What this podcast is about is telling people about Doctor Who. 192 00:15:21.960 --> 00:15:30.000 And it's talking about the doctor as a hero and aspiring to be like the doctor that saves the situation. 193 00:15:30.059 --> 00:15:31.860 And so I love it, you know. 194 00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:39.419 I feel like I had my own small part in the master's downfall here. saving the world with the power of podcasts. 195 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:40.200 Yes, exactly. 196 00:15:41.700 --> 00:15:44.519 One pair of earbuds at the time. 197 00:15:44.820 --> 00:15:47.100 I like the idea. 198 00:15:47.519 --> 00:15:49.259 I like the idea. 199 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:55.139 I find the execution of it a little more clunky than what... perhaps what you do. 200 00:15:55.200 --> 00:15:59.399 I find that we don't get to see Martha really walking the earth. 201 00:15:59.460 --> 00:16:03.539 She gets to be hidden using the key. 202 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:05.639 But her brother is also hidden. 203 00:16:05.700 --> 00:16:08.340 He hides away from the master, right? 204 00:16:08.399 --> 00:16:09.120 Without. 205 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:10.139 With Annalise. 206 00:16:10.200 --> 00:16:10.919 Without. 207 00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:15.720 With the power, for the power of Annalise. 208 00:16:15.779 --> 00:16:17.279 Say 3 times it's a big finish series. 209 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:17.879 Yeah, yeah. 210 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:21.960 He manages to do it without that special power. 211 00:16:22.019 --> 00:16:23.940 Like he can just hide by himself, right? 212 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:25.019 It's called fame. 213 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:26.399 He's too popular to be in the show. 214 00:16:26.460 --> 00:16:29.279 I'm just saying it's just a little thing for me. 215 00:16:29.340 --> 00:16:30.600 Yeah, I agree. 216 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:33.480 I love Francine's storyline all the way. 217 00:16:33.539 --> 00:16:34.679 She makes this work. 218 00:16:34.740 --> 00:16:36.179 She really makes it work. 219 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:50.399 And when she collapses into the doctor's arms at the end for that brief moment, it's like, I wish there could be just a little bit more, but you then get that lovely, when she looks out the window, that sort of begrudging sort of thing, yeah, we've been through this together. 220 00:16:50.460 --> 00:16:52.080 I respect you. 221 00:16:52.139 --> 00:16:53.159 You respect me. 222 00:16:53.220 --> 00:16:54.240 I love that. 223 00:16:54.299 --> 00:16:55.559 And that is so powerful. 224 00:16:56.220 --> 00:17:02.700 We also get, and you're going to explain this to me, Nathan, because I know that you'll have an answer, right? 225 00:17:02.759 --> 00:17:05.759 So in the previous episode, the doctor whispers something to Martha, right? 226 00:17:05.819 --> 00:17:07.319 Which seems to take about how many seconds? 227 00:17:07.380 --> 00:17:07.980 Yeah. 228 00:17:07.980 --> 00:17:08.339 10. 229 00:17:08.579 --> 00:17:09.900 Oh, if that. 230 00:17:09.900 --> 00:17:10.500 If that. 231 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:12.240 And so in those 10 seconds. 232 00:17:12.299 --> 00:17:28.740 Does he then tell her, just correct me if I, you're going to correct me because I'm obviously wrong, that she needs to walk the earth to tell the story and she needs to be at this point at a certain time because there's going to be a countdown and at the same time come up with some other means to sort of... 233 00:17:29.940 --> 00:17:31.859 Do you know what I'm saying? 234 00:17:31.920 --> 00:17:33.000 Oh no, I agree. 235 00:17:33.059 --> 00:17:35.700 And so it's like, what has he said to her? 236 00:17:35.759 --> 00:17:36.900 like that makes all this happen. 237 00:17:37.019 --> 00:17:43.740 She's obviously a resourceful woman and so there's the whole 4 potions gunplot thing, which is not his idea. 238 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:52.559 But at this time on this day in a year, and at the same time, he recognises that he's going to be able to tune himself into this the network. 239 00:17:52.619 --> 00:18:04.559 And so then, you know, at that point in time, he'll be able to undo the Dobby doctor through magic and sort of be this floating Kai figure that is like Rose from series one. 240 00:18:04.619 --> 00:18:05.339 Do you know what I'm saying? 241 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:17.819 Like all these little things that I've just mentioned, just set me off, like I'm shaking right now in this room, listener, that they just, it undermines what I think is a really good concept. 242 00:18:17.880 --> 00:18:20.099 Like it's just hasn't quite got it for me. 243 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:21.299 Like, I'm sorry. 244 00:18:21.359 --> 00:18:23.220 I mean, I just, it's not what Christopher H. 245 00:18:23.220 --> 00:18:24.900 Bidmead would have done. 246 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:30.900 I just think that it needs to hang together long enough for us to get to the end of the episode. 247 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:36.000 And I think that, I mean, we've had a lot of time to ruminate on this. 248 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:41.640 And I think that, you know, there is some sort of fridge logic where he just hopes we don't press it too hard. 249 00:18:41.700 --> 00:18:45.900 But I mean, Doctor Who's been doing that, you know, ever since it began. 250 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:53.700 And I think it just sort of needs to work on a sort of level of themes and spectacle, I think. 251 00:18:53.819 --> 00:19:01.500 And so I don't know what the doctor says to her and, you know, he couldn't sort of possibly tell us. 252 00:19:01.559 --> 00:19:05.819 Maybe he just said, tell people about me and be back here on such a date or something. 253 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:07.920 But how would he even know that? 254 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:13.680 And I mean, the clever thing is the Archangel Network, which has the perfect name, doesn't it? 255 00:19:13.740 --> 00:19:18.000 which is being used by a timelord to hypnotise all of humanity. 256 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:27.059 And the doctor sort of counters it and uses it against the master, which is absolutely classic per twee defeating Delgado, isn't it? 257 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:28.740 I love the arcade to me. 258 00:19:28.799 --> 00:19:31.740 This is the one thing in this rewatch that I actually really do like. 259 00:19:31.799 --> 00:19:33.240 Yeah, all of that. 260 00:19:42.299 --> 00:19:57.240 They could have easily had a couple of scenes where, you know, when they're trying to defeat the master with the whole, you know, like 3 o'clock thing, why not have had that then getting some information out to Martha. 261 00:19:57.299 --> 00:20:04.259 Like, I mean, they could have been a way of explaining that, you know, they had actually been conspiring with her the entire time, which would fix that issue. 262 00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:16.200 Yeah, I mean, I think that any solution, and usually the solutions to things about RTD plots that annoy people, normally the solution to that is why couldn't we have this exposition scene? 263 00:20:16.259 --> 00:20:19.619 And I know that's not what you're asking for here, but he doesn't want to do that. 264 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:27.480 He doesn't want to have the exposition scene and he wants us to find out at the same time as the master finds out. 265 00:20:27.539 --> 00:20:30.839 He wants us to believe the story about the gun. 266 00:20:30.900 --> 00:20:32.160 Yeah. 267 00:20:32.700 --> 00:20:33.180 Don't you think? 268 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:34.319 I think that he really can. 269 00:20:34.380 --> 00:20:34.920 Oh, yes, yes. 270 00:20:34.980 --> 00:20:36.900 I definitely thought that's where they were going. 271 00:20:37.500 --> 00:20:44.220 My further problem with all of this is that we get, for most of the episode. 272 00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:51.119 Freema has to act, keeping herself very much her emotions to herself. 273 00:20:51.180 --> 00:20:51.660 Yeah. 274 00:20:51.660 --> 00:20:56.759 And I mentioned many moons ago, I had this perception of Martha blank face. 275 00:20:56.819 --> 00:21:00.299 Yeah, yeah, yeah. being quite restrained and wooden and wooden. 276 00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:05.460 And I realise watching this, this is the episode that I get it from because it's so unlike Martha in every other situation. 277 00:21:05.519 --> 00:21:17.880 Even when she's protecting the doctor before World War I in the family of blood, she's still emoting, she's still showing her true character, whereas here for so much of the episode, it's just this blank wall. 278 00:21:17.940 --> 00:21:23.099 And it's a great performance, but I just struggle with it because I don't feel emotionally invested. 279 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:26.279 When she sits down in that house to tell those people about the doctor. 280 00:21:26.519 --> 00:21:34.859 I feel like she could be saying, he cooked a great hamburger and you should eat those hamburgers because they were, the cows were out in the field and it was all lovely. 281 00:21:34.920 --> 00:21:39.480 Like I, I, my care factor is literally close to zero. 282 00:21:39.539 --> 00:21:52.019 And I know that's unfair on whether it's the writing, the performance or the direction, the fact that we get that one sequence in the recap where I think there should be more scenes with different types of people in different situations. 283 00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:54.000 It all compounds me. 284 00:21:54.059 --> 00:21:55.799 And then we get the Toclophane. 285 00:21:55.859 --> 00:22:03.119 When they open the chocolate thing, like we then get, oh, they're all a hive mind, so they all know about Crete and is it supposed to be Crete? 286 00:22:03.180 --> 00:22:04.559 Like, no, it's not. 287 00:22:04.619 --> 00:22:10.920 But to me, it gives the impression that through the eyes and that sort of thing and her reaction that it is like that. 288 00:22:10.980 --> 00:22:11.880 And I think that's a mistake. 289 00:22:11.940 --> 00:22:14.819 Yeah, no, and I think that he walks up to the edge of that. 290 00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:23.220 He didn't want to have the little kid who won a competition to be the guest star in Utopia, end up being a shrivelled head in a ball. 291 00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:24.420 That's what I feel. 292 00:22:24.539 --> 00:22:24.960 Yeah. 293 00:22:25.019 --> 00:22:31.740 And so he gets as close to that as possible by having him say the skies are full of diamonds or something like that. 294 00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:34.859 But then we get a line saying, no, we all share the same memory. 295 00:22:34.920 --> 00:22:36.119 So we know it's not that. 296 00:22:36.180 --> 00:22:39.599 We know, but we do have Crete ending up like that. 297 00:22:39.720 --> 00:22:49.319 That's the really, really dark thing about it, and it's as dark as Doctor Who has ever gone, because utopia, we talked about this 2 weeks ago. 298 00:22:49.380 --> 00:22:57.420 There's something incredible about the setup for utopia, which makes it kind of emblematic about the human condition. 299 00:22:57.480 --> 00:23:00.660 You know, we all face some kind of mortality. 300 00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:12.240 Many of us spend much of our lives trying to escape it or forget about it or mitigate it or do something, trying to make our lives mean something in the face of the end of everything. 301 00:23:12.359 --> 00:23:33.180 And these people look like, you know, there's a moment of triumph, where the rocket ship goes off, heads to utopia, and they've escaped and we're excited, and what's in utopia, it's, you know, the planet Mustafa with less CGI, and everyone just turns themselves into a sort of bouncing robot head. 302 00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:34.380 You know, like it's horrible. 303 00:23:34.440 --> 00:23:37.740 It's really as bleak as Russell's ever been. 304 00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:43.500 There's no escape from death. they turn themselves into monsters in order to try and escape it. 305 00:23:43.619 --> 00:23:45.119 And that's never solved. 306 00:23:45.180 --> 00:23:46.319 That's never solved. 307 00:23:46.380 --> 00:23:48.000 No, and he's not going to solve it. 308 00:23:48.059 --> 00:23:51.960 Like, like, the ultimate end to the human race is death. 309 00:23:52.019 --> 00:23:52.740 Yeah. 310 00:23:52.740 --> 00:23:55.019 They're stuck at the end of the year. 311 00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:56.700 They're going to die. is no salvation. 312 00:23:56.759 --> 00:23:57.299 No. 313 00:23:57.359 --> 00:23:59.220 It is actually never a result. 314 00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:01.740 We are in a loop, but no, that's still how it ends. 315 00:24:01.799 --> 00:24:03.480 Well, and there's no St. 316 00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:05.099 Francisine to say. 317 00:24:05.220 --> 00:24:06.240 So the loop gets broken. 318 00:24:06.299 --> 00:24:15.420 So the point of the paradox machine is, of course, it permits the grandfather paradox to take place where you can go back in time and kill your ancestors and still exist. 319 00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:16.980 That's why we have the paradox machine. 320 00:24:16.980 --> 00:24:19.259 So that photographane don't wink out of... 321 00:24:19.319 --> 00:24:21.960 Kill this hit show. after killing all of these people. 322 00:24:22.019 --> 00:24:24.059 And so it snaps back. 323 00:24:24.119 --> 00:24:25.079 It's solved. 324 00:24:25.140 --> 00:24:38.640 But what isn't solved is what you say, James, the ultimate fate of humanity is disgusting and horrifying and we turn ourselves into monsters at the end of all things. 325 00:24:38.700 --> 00:24:46.079 And it's like the end of, you know, series 3 of Blake 7, where we all turn into the tar and woodbeast, you know? 326 00:24:46.799 --> 00:24:50.279 Terrence Woodburst. would be. 327 00:24:50.940 --> 00:24:52.440 Title. 328 00:24:55.019 --> 00:24:57.839 And this is much worse than that. 329 00:24:57.900 --> 00:24:59.279 M much, much worse than that. 330 00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:18.420 And even worse than, you know, the master killing huge sways of the population and turning us into a giant missile base to kill everyone else with turning, you know, the West into this giant military machine whose job is basically to launch missiles to kill other people remotely. 331 00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:24.720 You know, much worse than that is the fact that everyone will die and there's no escaping it. 332 00:25:24.779 --> 00:25:28.920 We were using drone tech in Afghanistan. back then. 333 00:25:28.980 --> 00:25:29.819 Russell doesn't miss much. 334 00:25:29.880 --> 00:25:30.599 No no. 335 00:25:30.660 --> 00:25:33.779 It's really amazingly, amazingly dark. 336 00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:35.579 Oh, definitely. 337 00:25:35.640 --> 00:25:48.900 Sorry, I'm still struggling with the whole paradox machine thing because it goes back to something like Day of the Daleks, which I always struggle with where, you know, by coming back in time, they've created the paradox that they blow up the house and all that sort of thing. 338 00:25:49.019 --> 00:25:50.759 But they have a Tartar, so they prevent it from happening. 339 00:25:50.819 --> 00:25:51.720 That's what that's called. 340 00:25:51.779 --> 00:25:53.339 It's 60s SF stuff. 341 00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:55.619 It goes back to and you see, you know, my head in. 342 00:25:55.680 --> 00:26:02.339 Good writers did it in original Star Trek, Harlan Ellison, of course, is a writer who used it a lot. 343 00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:03.960 Samuel Delaney used it. 344 00:26:04.079 --> 00:26:11.519 Yeah, it's a trope that I think it might actually work better in fiction when you've got 400 pages than an hour's TV. 345 00:26:11.579 --> 00:26:19.019 And it has to be the sort of thing that the master does because the master can't just be a guy in a nice suit who does conspiracies. 346 00:26:19.079 --> 00:26:22.140 He has to be a time lord, and so he has to play with time. 347 00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:25.019 And so the paradox machine enables him to do that. 348 00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:29.460 And have a think too, we just alluded to this earlier on about Lucy. 349 00:26:29.819 --> 00:26:35.460 Like the reason that Lucy is why she is is because she's seen utopia. 350 00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:45.180 The master took her to see utopia and she realised that everything dies, everything ends and therefore nothing matters. 351 00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:47.099 Yeah, to break her. 352 00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:47.759 Yeah. 353 00:26:47.819 --> 00:26:48.539 Yeah. 354 00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:50.160 But that's what he's like. 355 00:26:50.220 --> 00:26:53.039 You know, he's motivated by, we said this last week. 356 00:26:53.099 --> 00:26:54.240 I talked about it last week. 357 00:26:54.299 --> 00:27:00.539 He's motivated by being the agent of time in the sense that he destroys things. 358 00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:02.940 He's the ultimate end of everything. 359 00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:08.579 And so to make her his henchman, he shows her that truth. 360 00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:14.819 It's some Russell is, you know, for all of that jolliness for all of that. 361 00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:21.119 Everything's marvellous and wasn't everything wonderful and all those Doctor Who confidentials where he was, you know, so excited by everything. 362 00:27:21.180 --> 00:27:23.220 As he kicks over a sand car. 363 00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:24.779 And it's all for the kids. 364 00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:30.119 Hey, kids, one day everyone you love will be dead and so will you. 365 00:27:36.059 --> 00:27:38.279 I have to praise. 366 00:27:38.339 --> 00:27:40.200 John Simm. 367 00:27:40.259 --> 00:27:43.259 Yeah, and I have to praise very much. 368 00:27:43.259 --> 00:27:46.619 Lucy, for their performances in this episode. 369 00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:56.099 I believe that it is an absolute tour de force for him, and I, without him, for me, this episode would have fallen to pieces. 370 00:27:56.099 --> 00:28:08.400 And because he's acting against the Doppy Doctor, and I know that happened because David Tennant was filming other things and they needed to go there, but I absolutely hate the Doppy Doctor beyond all. 371 00:28:08.460 --> 00:28:10.140 I just really dislike it, right? 372 00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:14.339 I love the moment when John Simpson sneaks up behind the door. 373 00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:20.160 He's in the cage and he's in his dressing gown and he sneaks in like on tiptoe into the room. 374 00:28:20.279 --> 00:28:20.819 It's wonderful. 375 00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:25.799 But his whole performance through this where the doctor tries to say things to him and he goes, he stops him all the time. 376 00:28:25.859 --> 00:28:32.819 And then obviously at the end where he is shot and refuses to regenerate. 377 00:28:32.940 --> 00:28:36.539 He's just phenomenal throughout that whole thing. 378 00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:39.119 Russell has thought through all these things, right? 379 00:28:39.180 --> 00:28:45.779 I love the fact that we, you know, he's not going to be locked up on an island with a governor, right? 380 00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:49.019 Or that he's going to escape in a cock to come back again. 381 00:28:49.140 --> 00:28:55.740 But he's got a, he's got the whole get out of jail card with the ring that's picked up out of the fire. 382 00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:58.140 I think that's all, it all ties it together. 383 00:28:58.200 --> 00:29:06.599 And I think John Sims performance acting against nothing dealing with the family and then Lucy, just the battered wife syndrome. 384 00:29:06.660 --> 00:29:07.200 Yeah, yeah. 385 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:09.839 Just, again, all of that is just amazing. 386 00:29:09.900 --> 00:29:18.779 And I really, that's the part, that's the aspects of the episode that I really connected with and helped me get through. 387 00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:26.460 I think the battered wife thing is actually maybe just slightly too dark for Doctor Who, but it is not overplayed. 388 00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:27.839 I also really like. 389 00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:43.619 There's a moment, you know, when the Dolby Doctor 1st emerges, like crawls out of David Tennant's suit, and then the master gives this look, like he's seen how crap the special effect is and he's slightly embarrassed on the doctor's behalf, which I think is great. 390 00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:46.680 Look, this season, and we've said it over and over again. 391 00:29:46.740 --> 00:29:52.920 We said it over and over again, they reach further than they can grasp special effects wise. 392 00:29:52.980 --> 00:29:55.740 And I would sooner they did that than be timid. 393 00:29:55.799 --> 00:30:01.140 I would sooner endure a crappy special effect than a lack of ambition. 394 00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:04.079 And so the Dolby doctor doesn't really work. 395 00:30:04.140 --> 00:30:07.980 It looks nothing like David Tennant. really slightly embarrassing. 396 00:30:08.579 --> 00:30:18.539 In fact, that's actually one of the most Doctor Who things about series 3 is that Doctor Who has always reached for than the special effects could manage. 397 00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:20.819 Look at the CSO in the 70s. 398 00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:22.259 Yeah, no, that's why we love it. 399 00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:22.680 Yeah. 400 00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:23.039 Yeah. 401 00:30:23.099 --> 00:30:30.720 It's the ambition of the, of it to make something brilliant even when you don't have, you know, 2 pennies to rub together. 402 00:30:30.779 --> 00:30:31.200 Yeah. 403 00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:31.980 Yeah. 404 00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:36.299 I mean, you know, he basically takes over the show. 405 00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:45.240 It's the absence of David Tennant apart from a voice and the big thing that's fun to watch is John Sim is the master. just tremendous. 406 00:30:45.299 --> 00:30:47.099 He is tremendous. 407 00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:49.140 The other 2 people I really love in this episode. 408 00:30:49.259 --> 00:30:53.099 Tom Ellis, who is Tom Milligan. 409 00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:55.619 I cannot go past his performance. 410 00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:57.180 Most of performance. 411 00:30:57.240 --> 00:30:58.019 Most of us. 412 00:30:58.019 --> 00:31:00.240 That's what I'm talking. 413 00:31:00.299 --> 00:31:06.119 Well, if you watch Lucifer, then you'll know his performance just gets better and better, really. 414 00:31:06.180 --> 00:31:09.059 Most of us paused abruptly when he appeared on the screen. 415 00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:10.319 Well, what is he playing with? 416 00:31:10.380 --> 00:31:11.339 Lucifer. 417 00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:11.759 That's him. 418 00:31:11.819 --> 00:31:13.559 Oh, he has done well for himself. 419 00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:14.579 It has indeed. 420 00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:19.019 And the other person is John Barrowman, who I think does a really stellar performance, is Jack. 421 00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:21.299 Yeah, Tom Milligan's really great. 422 00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:30.480 Let's talk about that little bit that going to see the Toclafane reveal with Alison Doherty, Professor Doherty. 423 00:31:30.539 --> 00:31:35.039 I just think that is so well told, so economically told. 424 00:31:35.099 --> 00:31:41.279 You know, it's the sort of thing that would have taken easily an episode or 2 in the classic series, but they just sort of rush in. 425 00:31:41.339 --> 00:31:43.319 Everything's told really super economically. 426 00:31:43.380 --> 00:31:45.539 Then we get the sort of giant reveal. 427 00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:56.160 And then we humanise it with Professor Doherty, who I just think is an amazingly good character with a, you know, pining for countdown and all of that. 428 00:31:56.220 --> 00:31:59.279 I hate the fact that at the end Martha goes and gives her flowers. 429 00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:00.480 I see, I loved that. 430 00:32:00.539 --> 00:32:01.319 No, I hate it. 431 00:32:01.380 --> 00:32:01.799 Why? 432 00:32:01.859 --> 00:32:02.099 Why? 433 00:32:02.099 --> 00:32:03.839 Because it just doesn't ring true to me. 434 00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:05.160 She didn't actually do those things. 435 00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:07.680 But she didn't. 436 00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:08.460 No, it didn't. 437 00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:10.019 But in the bubble universe, it happened. 438 00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:14.339 And I had that potential in her as we all do when your family is threatened. 439 00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:15.839 You will do anything to say. 440 00:32:15.900 --> 00:32:17.339 I think that's the message. 441 00:32:17.460 --> 00:32:18.720 I think Martha knows that. 442 00:32:18.779 --> 00:32:21.359 And so that's just about Martha forgiving her. 443 00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:25.200 I think that there's something humane about that. 444 00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:29.160 Our response to the master is to want to kill him with a big gun. 445 00:32:29.220 --> 00:32:38.460 Alison Doherty betrays Martha and has her delivered to the master, and it just shows us some forgiveness. 446 00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:46.200 And I actually quite like the sort of little baffled, you know, I quite like seeing her what her life is like without that year. 447 00:32:46.259 --> 00:32:47.339 Do you know what I mean? 448 00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:49.259 She's an academic at university. 449 00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:50.339 She's happy. 450 00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:59.579 It's really our only chance to see the world set right again, you know, because the world isn't set right really properly for the people on the valiant. 451 00:32:59.700 --> 00:33:02.880 So the only sign that everyone's sort of gone back to normal. 452 00:33:02.940 --> 00:33:10.079 I guess it's that and then when she rings Tom in the hospital and and then hangs up because she knows she can go and get him later, you know. 453 00:33:10.140 --> 00:33:11.819 She doesn't, unfortunately. 454 00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:12.599 Well, maybe she does. 455 00:33:12.660 --> 00:33:13.680 Look, I take your point. 456 00:33:13.740 --> 00:33:15.779 It doesn't move me at all. 457 00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:22.019 I don't particularly like her performance in the show, like I don't think it's a stellar performance. 458 00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:23.160 I think it's by the numbers. 459 00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:27.359 And I like her phoning Tom, I like that sort of thing. 460 00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:29.579 That's fine, but it just doesn't work for me. 461 00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:35.220 See, the closest we get to sort of a normal person reflecting on what her life has become in this year, I think. 462 00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:36.420 True. 463 00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:54.359 Tom Milligan point and the destruction of Milligan by Doggerty is, I think, the point of redemption and why I still assume that Russell is coming from the old Welsh Church position of, you know, forgive everything and be redeemed in turn, buy it. 464 00:33:54.420 --> 00:33:58.559 You may lose everything, but you will actually still be yourself. 465 00:33:58.619 --> 00:33:59.400 Yeah. 466 00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:02.700 Yeah, I think that's that sort of moment of forgiveness. 467 00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:05.400 Like he gets killed and the master makes a fantastic joke. 468 00:34:05.460 --> 00:34:07.619 Like it's horribly bleak, isn't it? 469 00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:12.059 The way that the master kind of shoots him and then does that throwaway line about it. 470 00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:13.500 Oh, I've never killed anyone before. 471 00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:18.599 My 1st blood, you know, he says, and he kind of laughs and stuff, and it's horrible. 472 00:34:18.659 --> 00:34:20.760 Like the master is sort of super horrible in it. 473 00:34:20.820 --> 00:34:34.679 But just, just having it put right, you know, Tom's okay and Alison's forgiven and we can move on and I guess that's what Martha's job is at the end of the episode, isn't it? 474 00:34:34.739 --> 00:34:37.619 to kind of fix what they've experienced. 475 00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:40.679 It is super religious, isn't it? 476 00:34:40.739 --> 00:34:49.440 You know, the world has gone to hell and it's saved through faith and it's a very anti-Russell. 477 00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:50.400 Yeah. 478 00:34:50.460 --> 00:34:53.280 It's a very anti-Russell position to take. 479 00:34:53.340 --> 00:34:54.900 I would have thought, but perhaps not. 480 00:34:54.900 --> 00:35:00.300 Well, I think that, yeah, every cynic is actually an optimist in search of the truth and redemption. 481 00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:06.900 Yeah, or, you know, like he seems to have a sort of wistful kind of feeling about religion. 482 00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:16.079 You know, his 1st mention of religion is in the end of the world where he lists it as one of the weapons that's forbidden on platform one. 483 00:35:16.139 --> 00:35:31.260 But gridlock talks about religion being a positive unifying force that enables these people, all of these disparate, diverse people to find a way of living together under really difficult circumstances. 484 00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:38.219 But at the same time, he sees it as a thing that prevents them from doing anything about those terrible circumstances. 485 00:35:38.340 --> 00:35:49.920 So he's not one way or another about religion, and he's not religious, but he's clearly interested in it, and he's happy to borrow its iconography. 486 00:35:49.980 --> 00:35:59.639 These are stories that, you know, permeate our culture and and even though we're all sort of, you know, in a post-religious environment, those stories are really resonant. 487 00:35:59.699 --> 00:36:04.980 I think that it's nice to see him kind of dip in and use them. 488 00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:44.280 So, of course, Martha just happens to survive through chance, Tom running out and saving her, the master's quite prepared to kill off a Doctor Who companion, and then she just happens to get taken up to the craft just in time for the countdown to be going down and a series of conveniences, and she's still Martha Blankface up until the point where she begins to laugh. 489 00:36:44.340 --> 00:36:52.139 I find it. great to see that happening, but I find it so jarring after an episode of very little, for me, emotion from her. 490 00:36:52.199 --> 00:37:03.719 Suddenly it's like this, this laughter, but in that moment, it reminded me of how much I really love Freema, and she's such a, this is such a Joe Grant moment. 491 00:37:03.900 --> 00:37:05.639 I just feel that. 492 00:37:05.699 --> 00:37:13.019 And the fact that we then see everybody chanting the doctor at the same time, and I'm getting chills now. 493 00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:17.940 I really love that moment, you know, obviously through this, I've been talking about all these nickels that I have. 494 00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:21.480 But I just want to say to people, I still like this episode, right? 495 00:37:21.539 --> 00:37:26.760 I still give it 7 or 7.5 , but that's 2 points less than what I would give last week because of those things. 496 00:37:26.820 --> 00:37:42.659 But through her actions at the end, through getting rid of the dormy doctor, through John Sims performance, through her mum's performance, the sheer will of the performances get me through to this point. 497 00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:45.480 And I think I can't see any other way of doing it. 498 00:37:45.539 --> 00:37:47.519 Like Russell has plotted everything out, right? 499 00:37:47.579 --> 00:37:51.300 And it's, I think it's some of the best plotting that he's ever really done and set up. 500 00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:53.519 And he ties up everything. 501 00:37:53.579 --> 00:37:55.920 But for some reason, I'm for some reason. 502 00:37:55.980 --> 00:38:03.239 I'm still at this point, slightly unsatisfied, which is why it's not my favourite finale of these 1st 3 years. 503 00:38:03.300 --> 00:38:12.179 But in that moment, in that moment of everybody chanting the doctor, I think it's, I think that's a magical moment, magical. 504 00:38:12.420 --> 00:38:28.079 What I think is a little bit less magical is David Tennant cradling John Simmons in his arms and blubbing and boring snort all over him and just doing his usual horrible overacting thing. 505 00:38:28.139 --> 00:38:30.719 I just found that all just a little bit hard to take. 506 00:38:30.780 --> 00:38:36.360 This is where I think John Simm absolutely shines in that moment and it makes David Tennant. 507 00:38:36.420 --> 00:38:40.199 He's saying, I would rather die than continue this scene with him. 508 00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:50.219 But making a joke out of it, but actually, this comes back to what we were saying earlier about the masters never really won. 509 00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:52.380 And in that moment, he wins. 510 00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:53.099 Yeah. 511 00:38:53.099 --> 00:38:55.800 He says, well, you know, you've defeated my plan. 512 00:38:55.860 --> 00:39:01.260 You, you know, you want to imprison me in your Tartars for the, for the rest of eternity. 513 00:39:01.260 --> 00:39:03.539 No, I get to win. 514 00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:05.699 I'm going to win in this situation. 515 00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:06.480 I'm going to die. 516 00:39:06.539 --> 00:39:07.380 Yeah. 517 00:39:07.380 --> 00:39:08.159 He doesn't die. 518 00:39:08.219 --> 00:39:09.480 He's got another plan. 519 00:39:09.659 --> 00:39:12.900 Russell said it's the Rani that rescues the ring. 520 00:39:13.019 --> 00:39:13.860 Yeah, yeah. 521 00:39:13.860 --> 00:39:14.519 Back in the day. 522 00:39:14.579 --> 00:39:17.099 Or it ends up being Mrs. Trefusis, doesn't it? 523 00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:19.139 Which, of course, is Vivian Faye, isn't it? 524 00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:19.800 Yes Yeah. 525 00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:24.480 But I think it's, you know, the governor of Wentworth cell block age. 526 00:39:24.539 --> 00:39:25.920 I think it's some, definitely. 527 00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:27.119 Mrs. Davidson. 528 00:39:27.179 --> 00:39:30.119 Well, no, it's actually like it's actually Tracy Simpson's hand. 529 00:39:30.179 --> 00:39:31.739 Okay, right, right. 530 00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:33.719 And that is set up. 531 00:39:33.780 --> 00:39:38.699 So it does look like he wins by dying, but he does have a sort of evil backup land. 532 00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:40.679 Yeah, get out of jail free car. 533 00:39:40.739 --> 00:39:48.539 But I like that because so often in the original series, he's like burnt to death and then no explanation as to why he's been resurrected. 534 00:39:48.539 --> 00:39:52.139 And I like that little touches that you can take it or leave it. 535 00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:53.400 But it will come back into play. 536 00:39:53.460 --> 00:39:55.980 So he did escape from Castrovava after all. 537 00:39:57.659 --> 00:40:01.619 But they, I mean, he does get to talk about the sea devils and the axons. 538 00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:02.460 I like that stuff. 539 00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:03.059 It's very good. 540 00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:12.840 But there's no escaping the end of the season and the departure of Martha Jones, if we can talk about this for a moment. 541 00:40:12.900 --> 00:40:13.559 Yeah. 542 00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:19.019 I think it's the best companion departure in you who, having now watched 11 years. 543 00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:27.599 For once somebody gets to leave on their own terms, without being displaced in time, near death, you know, away from their real world. 544 00:40:27.659 --> 00:40:34.619 And yes, she's got a job to do, but it's her job and the strength that she shows in that sequence. 545 00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:45.059 I'm just so in awe of not only the character and the writing, but the performance of Freema and my opinion of her has just completely changed. 546 00:40:45.179 --> 00:40:47.760 I would tend to agree with you on that. 547 00:40:47.820 --> 00:40:54.239 So this character for the entire season has been robbed somewhat of her agency. 548 00:40:54.300 --> 00:41:01.260 She's got a crush on this man who basically takes perfect granted. 549 00:41:01.380 --> 00:41:05.400 And in that moment she says, no, I'm in control of my life. 550 00:41:05.460 --> 00:41:07.380 I'm making this decision. 551 00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:11.039 I'm leaving because this is my life. 552 00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:13.679 I like how she gets to say it. 553 00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:21.360 Like, initially, she says, I have to leave and look after my family, and that's what she has always done. 554 00:41:21.420 --> 00:41:25.019 You know, she is caring in a way that Rose wasn't. 555 00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:29.280 And then she comes back and says, no, actually, here's why I'm leaving. 556 00:41:29.340 --> 00:41:36.239 And I really, really like that scene and I kind of like it because we've talked before. 557 00:41:36.300 --> 00:41:38.099 I cry at companion departures. 558 00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:46.079 I don't cry when the doctor regenerates, particularly because they're still the doctor, but this one, I just think, is amazing. 559 00:41:46.139 --> 00:41:51.719 And I love her coming back and telling that story and the doctor kind of goes, is this going anywhere? 560 00:41:51.780 --> 00:41:53.099 you know, where is this going? 561 00:41:53.219 --> 00:41:57.420 And then she makes her point and she gets to leave triumphantly. 562 00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:08.639 And it's a problem, you know, that the show has, basically the only way you can write someone out is having the doctor lock the door on them and leave them outside the 1st time they meet some passing Scotsman. 563 00:42:08.699 --> 00:42:09.599 Yeah. 564 00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:11.099 Doing the accent. 565 00:42:11.159 --> 00:42:12.119 That's right. 566 00:42:12.179 --> 00:42:15.900 And now that the doctor can control the TARDIS and come back whenever he wants. 567 00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:18.059 Why would a companion ever have to leave at all? 568 00:42:18.119 --> 00:42:20.639 And they went to great lengths to get rid of Billy. 569 00:42:20.699 --> 00:42:22.800 And this one is brilliant. 570 00:42:22.860 --> 00:42:24.599 She just says, nope, I'm done. 571 00:42:24.659 --> 00:42:30.420 I've had enough, and it's not a sort of Tegan, I can't cope with another Eric Saywood story. 572 00:42:30.780 --> 00:42:32.579 I've got to go. 573 00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:33.480 See? 574 00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:37.380 Yes. 9 stories, 900 stories. 575 00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:48.840 I mean, we've talked about, you know, companion departures in the classic series being a case of, uh, contract Hodson's contract roulette. 576 00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:49.920 That's right. 577 00:42:49.980 --> 00:42:56.460 And so how so many of them are so poorly flagged and visualised. 578 00:42:56.460 --> 00:43:00.539 And here, it is just so well done. 579 00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:05.280 I think I hope that, obviously, we've just watched the 1st series of Jody. 580 00:43:05.340 --> 00:43:19.440 I hope that when these 3 companions go, that Chris takes a note of this rather than having to kill them or pseudo kill them or whatever it is, that they can leave on their own terms like this because I just think it should have happened more than when it's happened now. 581 00:43:19.500 --> 00:43:22.440 But it makes it unique at this and that's why it's so powerful. 582 00:43:22.500 --> 00:43:27.480 So she's the only companion who doesn't leave for science fiction reasons. 583 00:43:27.539 --> 00:43:28.500 Is that right? 584 00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:30.059 In the new series. 585 00:43:30.300 --> 00:43:33.780 Well, I mean, look at look at Rose. 586 00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:36.119 Like, so she's an alternative thing. 587 00:43:36.179 --> 00:43:42.360 You look at Rory and Amy, like they've been zapped back in time, so they can't see the family. 588 00:43:42.420 --> 00:43:44.760 I mean she gets the choice to make, but he doesn't. 589 00:43:44.820 --> 00:43:50.519 Yeah, and then Clara and Bill both travel in time together and become the doctor and stuff. 590 00:43:50.579 --> 00:43:52.380 But then dead or alive. 591 00:43:52.500 --> 00:43:53.760 Depending on what you think. 592 00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:54.659 Or a puddle. 593 00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:56.219 Play a radio puddle. 594 00:43:56.460 --> 00:43:57.960 To me. 595 00:43:58.019 --> 00:44:01.320 And then, of course, Donna, the version of Donna is not the same version. 596 00:44:01.380 --> 00:44:02.940 Like, she dies in a way. 597 00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:06.000 So that's why I really love this departure. 598 00:44:06.059 --> 00:44:19.559 I think they always sort of play it in such a way and they do it kind of deliberately, you know, that thing where in a companion's last episode, they say there's no way I could ever leave you, ever, ever, ever sort of thing. 599 00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:22.619 And then they're, you know, a bird flies into them or something. 600 00:44:22.980 --> 00:44:24.539 You know. 601 00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:29.400 And so just having someone leave for normal character reasons, I think is great. is brilliant. 602 00:44:29.460 --> 00:44:30.900 And Martha, we'll be back next year. 603 00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:40.800 She makes that quite clear and in fact, I think she does 4 episodes next year, 4 or 5 episodes, and she'll do a few torchwoods as well. 604 00:44:40.860 --> 00:44:49.619 So she is back, perhaps not quite as rewardingly as we might have hoped, but she'll be back. 605 00:44:49.619 --> 00:44:53.880 And I think it's the best companion departure, like you, Todd. 606 00:44:53.940 --> 00:44:55.920 I think it's the best companion departure of the new series. 607 00:45:04.980 --> 00:45:06.659 I'll go with my pick at the wink. 608 00:45:06.780 --> 00:45:10.500 And as always, I'm going to go with a classic Doctor Who story. 609 00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:11.219 Brilliant. 610 00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:15.119 One which has the Toclafane of the original series. 611 00:45:15.179 --> 00:45:20.340 Very shimmery and I'm sure their ultimate reveal will just make you dumbfounded. 612 00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:21.300 Vardens. 613 00:45:22.019 --> 00:45:28.139 It's got the original space rhinos of the original series, the Santarans. 614 00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:30.179 It's even got Time Lords in it. 615 00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:35.519 And it's got one of the best companion departures ever in the history of Doctor Who. 616 00:45:35.579 --> 00:45:38.519 This is how it should be done in contract roulette. 617 00:45:38.579 --> 00:45:44.519 It's even got a slight cliffhanger into the next series with a bit of a reveal. 618 00:45:44.579 --> 00:45:55.320 So, of course, as we know it here, it's Tom Barker and Lois Jemison in carry on Galafreeing, or as you will know it, the invasion of time. 619 00:45:55.440 --> 00:45:56.940 Good choice. 620 00:45:57.000 --> 00:45:57.840 I thought I was wrong. 621 00:46:00.900 --> 00:46:03.840 It is actually a very good story for all the reasons it shouldn't be. 622 00:46:03.900 --> 00:46:05.280 Invasion of time. 623 00:46:05.340 --> 00:46:07.739 Maybe there's got some parallels to this one because of that as well. 624 00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:08.880 Maybe. 625 00:46:08.940 --> 00:46:11.460 You know, it's for the companion departure, right? 626 00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:13.500 As a... 627 00:46:13.500 --> 00:46:16.260 Are you saying it's unparallel with this companion? 628 00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:17.940 We've just seen how good it can be. 629 00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:20.760 Oh, I think they wanted to go back and see, well, you know. 630 00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:24.780 Dodo sends her love and I hope so. 631 00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:27.059 Ow. 632 00:46:28.380 --> 00:46:32.159 So my pick of the week is life on Mars. 633 00:46:32.219 --> 00:46:33.539 Oh, good choice. 634 00:46:33.599 --> 00:46:34.260 Oh, wow, yeah. 635 00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:45.300 I still think it is one of the best mystery, police procedural, supernatural sci-fi fantasy shows that the BBC has ever made. 636 00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:46.860 And they've made a lot of them. 637 00:46:46.980 --> 00:46:49.619 It shows that Matthew Graham can actually write. 638 00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:50.460 Yeah. 639 00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:53.460 Sorry, what else did you do for me and the listeners? 640 00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:54.480 Fear. 641 00:46:55.260 --> 00:46:56.940 And the rebel flesh, the also people. 642 00:46:57.059 --> 00:46:58.019 Oh, well, that's very good. 643 00:46:58.079 --> 00:46:59.760 Did he do the doctor's daughter as well? 644 00:46:59.820 --> 00:47:02.039 No, that's Stephen Greenwood. sorry. 645 00:47:02.699 --> 00:47:03.420 I forgot that. 646 00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:05.760 I was thinking the doctor's wife. 647 00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:07.199 We're cutting all this. 648 00:47:07.260 --> 00:47:08.880 It makes us look like we don't know about Doctor Who. 649 00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:11.460 I'm shocked that you haven't chosen a big finish. 650 00:47:11.579 --> 00:47:12.840 I know. 651 00:47:12.900 --> 00:47:17.340 So am I. Yes, I mean, I really love life on Mars. 652 00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:22.199 I think it is brilliant and ashes to ashes, I think, actually improves on it. 653 00:47:22.260 --> 00:47:23.579 So go and watch them now. 654 00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:24.539 Brilliant. 655 00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:27.119 When are we doing the life on Mars Ashes to Ashes podcast? 656 00:47:27.179 --> 00:47:28.260 You just did it, darling. 657 00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:28.980 Hey. 658 00:47:28.980 --> 00:47:30.599 That was it. 659 00:47:32.219 --> 00:47:39.360 We are coming up on the 2 year mark since the yes result in the postal survey. 660 00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:58.619 And on a personal note, we're recording this on the day before, uh, well, the the day before my 1st anniversary, 1st wedding anniversary, and of course, the 1st anniversary of the release of our World War 3 episode just as importantly. 661 00:47:59.099 --> 00:48:09.360 And so what I want to recommend is a book called How Powerful We Are by Sally Rugg, who ran the Marriage Equality Campaign. 662 00:48:09.420 --> 00:48:26.099 She was an activist who used to work for get up, and it is an account of the years of work that led up to our final victory in that horrific postal survey that was inflicted on us. 663 00:48:26.219 --> 00:48:40.559 It is a hard read at times and it does bring back memories of a pretty rough few weeks, but it is absolutely, I think, worth remembering and commemorating. 664 00:48:40.619 --> 00:48:43.320 So that Sally Rugg, how powerful we are. 665 00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:51.840 It's also kind of draws a parallel to the power of the human spirit to turn doctor into an angel. 666 00:48:51.900 --> 00:48:57.360 Oh, it's Martha going around the world and telling people to vote, yes, in the postal service. 667 00:48:57.420 --> 00:49:00.420 My only pick of the week and it's really little. 668 00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:02.519 And I think you can actually get it free. 669 00:49:02.639 --> 00:49:07.500 Just because it's grabbed for me this week, what Russell's been writing about. 670 00:49:07.500 --> 00:49:13.440 And because of lovely friend of the podcast, Richard Ewitt, I have subscription to the London review of books. 671 00:49:13.500 --> 00:49:14.820 And thank you, Richard. 672 00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:23.280 And John Manchester, who's one of the really good writers, talks about the case for the universal basic income. 673 00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:28.739 And it really does feel like, oh, this is just another Russell episode if he actually stuck around. 674 00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:40.440 I think it's what this story has been telling us, if we simply have a structure of society that supports everyone, no matter what side of politics you come from, we could avoid the Saxons. 675 00:49:40.500 --> 00:49:42.420 Although they are fun. 676 00:49:42.539 --> 00:49:43.500 They are fun. 677 00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:45.539 For a little while. 678 00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:47.340 It's difficult, isn't it? 679 00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:48.420 How much fun do you need? 680 00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:25.380 Well, there is her, we're off to hunt whatever's still left of our families at this point, so that's all the time we have for this week. 681 00:50:25.380 --> 00:50:31.980 We'll be back next week to clear up all the mess we've made in the last few months in our series 3 retrospective. 682 00:50:32.099 --> 00:50:47.760 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts, and you can keep up with us at Flight Through Entirety on Facebook, at FTE podcast on Twitter, and on our website, Flightthrough Entirety.com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger and Jody Interterra. 683 00:50:48.179 --> 00:50:58.440 Until next time, remember that the universe ends in a 100 trillion years, so you've probably got enough time for just one more space 1999 marathon. 684 00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:00.900 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 685 00:51:01.500 --> 00:51:03.239 See you soon. 686 00:51:03.300 --> 00:51:04.500 Good everything. 687 00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:12.900 That was Flight Through Entirety, starring Todd Bilby, Nathan Bottomley, James Selwood, and Richard Stone. 688 00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:16.679 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, Strings Performance by Jane Orberg. 689 00:51:16.739 --> 00:51:24.179 This episode, saving the world with the power of podcasting, was recorded on the 22nd of September 2019 and released on the 8th of December. 690 00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:31.260 It took us about 12 years to come up with all that nonsense about last of the time, Lords. 691 00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:39.719 If you want to see what we can come up with in just a couple of days, make sure you're still subscribed to our Doctor Who flashcast Jody into Tara, which will be starting up again in the new year. 692 00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:43.260 Do you know the Sean and Vicky reference that I did? 693 00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:44.280 Sean and Vicky. 694 00:51:44.340 --> 00:51:48.179 Nathan, I've got no idea what you just mentioned about the Sean and Vicky records. 695 00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:49.679 I've got no idea This isn't going in. 696 00:51:49.739 --> 00:51:56.039 So it's, it's, um, it's, Sean, Vicky is the person who was in love with Sean, the flatmate. 697 00:51:56.099 --> 00:51:59.219 She was in love with Sean the whole time, but he never noticed her. 698 00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:02.340 It's the story that Martha comes in and tells the dog. 699 00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:04.260 That's right. 700 00:52:06.659 --> 00:52:11.039 So we were doing Sean the whole time behind Vicki's back. 701 00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:12.780 Okay, thank you. 702 00:52:12.780 --> 00:52:13.739 I was so proud of that. 703 00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:15.239 That's very clever. 704 00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:16.019 That's my jokes. 705 00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:16.860 That's all right. 706 00:52:17.219 --> 00:52:18.780 All right. 707 00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:20.820 So director Colin Teague is back. 708 00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:21.780 Hooray. 709 00:52:21.780 --> 00:52:22.559 For part two. 710 00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:24.059 What's he done besides these 2 episodes? 711 00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:24.659 Torchwood. 712 00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:25.920 Oh okay. 713 00:52:25.980 --> 00:52:27.360 Lots and lots of torchwood. 714 00:52:27.420 --> 00:52:29.820 Tortured in the Sarah Jane adventures mostly. 715 00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:30.659 Right, okay. 716 00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:32.820 But no other Doctor Who other than these two episodes? 717 00:52:34.019 --> 00:52:36.840 I think he comes back. he? 718 00:52:36.900 --> 00:52:38.340 Can we look it up? 719 00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:40.260 Yeah, I think we really ought too, James. 720 00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:42.059 Keep talking when it's slow. 721 00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:43.320 Well, wait, no, no, don't keep talking. 722 00:52:43.380 --> 00:52:44.280 We can't solve anything. 723 00:52:44.460 --> 00:52:47.880 Uh, Wiki. 724 00:52:50.940 --> 00:52:52.679 Also, more graphy. 725 00:52:52.739 --> 00:52:54.360 I am almost there. 726 00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:57.179 I heard a cry. 727 00:52:57.300 --> 00:52:58.980 That was me. 728 00:52:59.099 --> 00:53:01.139 I heard a cry. 729 00:53:01.500 --> 00:53:03.900 That was... 730 00:53:03.900 --> 00:53:11.099 Holby City, lovers burning shooters, Sarah Jane tortured Doctor Who, 3 episodes, 2007 to 2008. 731 00:53:11.219 --> 00:53:12.599 So you must have done one next year. 732 00:53:12.659 --> 00:53:14.940 Being human, hustle. 733 00:53:16.619 --> 00:53:18.059 Okay. 734 00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:20.099 Maybe we could talk to that. 735 00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:23.820 So this is this is Colin 2nd episode. 736 00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:26.280 Yeah, and we'll do one more next year. 737 00:53:26.340 --> 00:53:27.780 So we open. 738 00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:30.420 One year later.