WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 14:31:22 1 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:43.979 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight through Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast that can carry off a decorative vegetable. 2 00:00:44.039 --> 00:00:46.439 Well, maybe not the only one. 3 00:00:46.500 --> 00:00:48.000 I'm Nathan. 4 00:00:48.060 --> 00:00:48.600 I'm James. 5 00:00:48.659 --> 00:00:49.619 I'm Stephen. 6 00:00:49.679 --> 00:00:50.700 I'm Dan. 7 00:00:50.759 --> 00:00:56.219 Well, we've just said goodbye to Martha, and we're still a couple of days away from Kylie. 8 00:00:56.280 --> 00:01:02.880 So we've decided to stand around in the console room for a few minutes and remind ourselves how much we all love Peter Davidson. 9 00:01:02.939 --> 00:01:04.799 Keep your hats on, please. 10 00:01:04.859 --> 00:01:06.180 It's time crash. 11 00:01:27.299 --> 00:01:29.579 We've never actually really done one of these before. 12 00:01:29.700 --> 00:01:39.480 There has been one earlier children in need special, obviously, just between the end of Series 1 and the Christmas invasion. 13 00:01:39.540 --> 00:01:41.159 Only one children in need special. 14 00:01:41.280 --> 00:01:41.760 Oh, really? 15 00:01:41.819 --> 00:01:42.719 Were there other ones? 16 00:01:42.780 --> 00:01:43.739 The 5 doctors. 17 00:01:43.799 --> 00:01:46.260 Oh, no. 18 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:49.140 That was a really long, really special. 19 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:50.459 That doesn't count. 20 00:01:50.519 --> 00:01:55.739 And so this aired on the sort of 17th of November, 2007. 21 00:01:55.920 --> 00:01:58.500 No, the 16th of November 2007. 22 00:01:58.500 --> 00:02:00.780 Oh, you know, I don't believe in time zones. 23 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:05.459 And so last of the time lords was sort of end of June. that right? 24 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:07.200 Or was it end of July, James? 25 00:02:07.260 --> 00:02:08.400 Okay. 26 00:02:08.460 --> 00:02:11.699 So, um, Great start. 27 00:02:14.460 --> 00:02:17.939 So what did you guys think of this? 28 00:02:18.240 --> 00:02:26.099 I had no idea it was coming for one thing, and I don't even know how I found out about it, and I don't know that I watched it on TV. 29 00:02:26.099 --> 00:02:27.300 I must have watched it on the internet. 30 00:02:27.360 --> 00:02:32.819 I've never been able to find a good way to watch it, but it just, yeah, I was so surprised and so pleased. 31 00:02:32.879 --> 00:02:37.500 And as it goes through, it's just, I think it's just really fun. 32 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:38.159 I really enjoyed it. 33 00:02:38.219 --> 00:02:44.340 And then they didn't even need that really lovely tear jerk a bit at the end where he tells him he's his doctor and I just loved it. 34 00:02:44.400 --> 00:02:45.840 It makes me moisten up every time. 35 00:02:45.900 --> 00:02:46.919 What about you, Stephen? 36 00:02:46.979 --> 00:02:53.759 So, as you can imagine, I keep saying on you to who, that Davison was my doctor, out of choice as an adolescent. 37 00:02:53.759 --> 00:02:55.919 And like Dan, I didn't know this was coming. 38 00:02:55.979 --> 00:02:57.419 I didn't even know that Davis was in it. 39 00:02:57.479 --> 00:03:04.919 This is obviously in the day before Twitter and definitely in the days before, you know, I dipped into fandom in any real way. 40 00:03:04.979 --> 00:03:11.280 So when things like this dropped, including, for instance, the Eccleston regeneration, I had no idea, I was totally unspoiled. 41 00:03:11.340 --> 00:03:18.840 So, to see, to see this and to see my favourite doctor, again, I couldn't tell you how much my Fannish heart squealed. 42 00:03:18.900 --> 00:03:20.400 It was just wonderful moment in time. 43 00:03:20.460 --> 00:03:22.259 It is super exciting. 44 00:03:22.319 --> 00:03:24.120 You know, Dan, you can actually watch it. 45 00:03:24.180 --> 00:03:30.599 When I was looking at the DVD, the series 4 DVD. 46 00:03:30.659 --> 00:03:32.099 DVD and the Blu-ray. 47 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:33.479 Yeah, has time crush on it. 48 00:03:33.539 --> 00:03:39.300 It is preserved and our listeners can watch it themselves if they didn't catch it the 1st time. 49 00:03:39.659 --> 00:03:44.400 It is very much a sort of children in need special, isn't it? 50 00:03:44.460 --> 00:03:52.379 I mean, you know, it's it's 2 actors in the standing set with sort of very minimal kind of special effects or anything. 51 00:03:53.819 --> 00:03:56.580 James looks like you're bitching to say something. 52 00:03:56.639 --> 00:03:59.280 I was going to do some of your shtick. 53 00:03:59.340 --> 00:04:04.379 Um, so, I was reading um, Titus Ruditorum. 54 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:19.860 And I thought El Santa for made a really good point, which was that it's like this story is an exquisitely crafted 8 minute sketch that works well both for people who remember the Davidson era. 55 00:04:20.220 --> 00:04:26.279 And for people who don't give a crap about Doctor Who. what actual women need. 56 00:04:26.339 --> 00:04:27.120 Yeah. 57 00:04:27.180 --> 00:04:29.459 Well, it's Moffat, isn't it? 58 00:04:29.519 --> 00:04:39.360 Like, I always sort of think that Russell's better at TV than Moffat in many ways in the sense that he's better at kind of creating something with mass audience appeal. 59 00:04:39.420 --> 00:04:41.879 But he does a very, very good job. 60 00:04:41.939 --> 00:04:45.000 I think of pitching it both for us and for the not where. 61 00:04:45.060 --> 00:04:52.259 Yeah, I think, I think the sort of the time travel, like, it's, I think it's, they make it pretty clear what's going on pretty quickly. 62 00:04:52.319 --> 00:04:57.180 Like, uh, you know, um, Tennant knows what's going on and Davison seems like blissfully ignorant for a few minutes. 63 00:04:57.240 --> 00:05:02.699 And then they sort of, uh, they they solve the crisis with a little bit of like time travel cleverness. 64 00:05:02.759 --> 00:05:10.560 Nothing like super heavy, but like a nice, simple RTD, like neat and tidy, understandable little time travel timey-wamey. 65 00:05:10.620 --> 00:05:14.699 And I just think it's so clever and so neat and it all gets tied up in a little bow. 66 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:16.560 I think it's and it's, yeah, it's really cute. 67 00:05:16.620 --> 00:05:26.819 I had to sort of reread a transcript of it to actually work out, like even though I've seen it a bunch of times, to actually work out what the threat is. 68 00:05:26.879 --> 00:05:28.079 You know what I mean? 69 00:05:29.399 --> 00:05:31.259 It's 2 tartises, right? 70 00:05:31.319 --> 00:05:33.060 It's just they've just bumped into each other or something. 71 00:05:33.120 --> 00:05:33.360 Yeah. 72 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:36.779 It's a whole the size of Belgium. 73 00:05:36.839 --> 00:05:40.019 Yes, no, I knew it was going to blow a hole in the universe size of Belgium. 74 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:41.639 I just didn't quite know why. 75 00:05:41.819 --> 00:05:44.579 I do love Hitchhiker's Guide reference. 76 00:05:44.639 --> 00:05:45.300 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 77 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:49.259 They're poorly engineered, though, these TARDIS, aren't they? 78 00:05:49.319 --> 00:05:54.060 Imagine if you blew a hole in the universe the size of Belgium every time you rear-ended someone, you know. 79 00:05:55.199 --> 00:06:09.240 And the way it's solved is something that Moffatt will, as is, won't, use, again, isn't it the way that the day of the doctor is solved? 80 00:06:09.300 --> 00:06:11.459 Yeah, I was thinking this. 81 00:06:11.519 --> 00:06:18.360 I was actually listening to the red novelisation by Nick Briggs at that just the other week and it's exactly the same trick, right? 82 00:06:18.420 --> 00:06:26.519 So how do we know, or how does the doctor know that, you know, he has to press this boothbos Libra or whatever the case is, he really makes it? 83 00:06:26.579 --> 00:06:35.939 It's, uh, it's a massive cheat, but it gets away with it, even from like my nerdish fan sort of perspective because it makes sense in many ways. 84 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:41.459 Like, if the tenant doctor doesn't remember until the Davidson doctor shows up, right? 85 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:47.939 So it's not like he's in my head anyway, like walked around with this knowledge for, you know, 5 regenerations or whatever it is. 86 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:49.920 It's not until he appears. 87 00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:57.120 And the Davidson doctor doesn't remember because at the moment he disappears, it sort of murders into the 10th doctor's timeline. 88 00:06:57.180 --> 00:07:04.079 So there's that sort of crap science around, you know, paradoxes and whatever else that I think the general audience can handle. 89 00:07:04.139 --> 00:07:08.519 But in the same way that he pulls the trick off in day at the doctor, he does the same thing here. 90 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:15.360 And it also satisfies, you know, the hardcore nerds and their obsession with continuity. amazingly clever. 91 00:07:15.420 --> 00:07:16.319 Yeah. 92 00:07:16.379 --> 00:07:23.699 I also like the way he deploys that in order to explain why Davison sort of fatter and balder than... 93 00:07:23.939 --> 00:07:27.240 And Wayne Colin Baker's costume. 94 00:07:27.300 --> 00:07:28.199 Is he really? 95 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:30.720 From the regeneration, yeah. 96 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:33.480 The extra material in the back. 97 00:07:33.660 --> 00:07:40.019 In my head, they just don't remember because they've got there's so much stuff happens in their life and they've got so many things to remember. 98 00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:41.639 And neither of them knows when it's going to happen. 99 00:07:41.699 --> 00:07:44.339 So he's just like, eh, that'll come around. 100 00:07:44.399 --> 00:07:45.120 Oh, remember at the time. 101 00:07:45.180 --> 00:07:48.600 Yeah, yeah, Davison appearing sort of jogs his memory and stuff. 102 00:07:48.660 --> 00:07:48.959 Yeah. 103 00:07:48.959 --> 00:07:56.579 And then, uh, whether or not the science of it works, it just feels like a really nice Russell kind of, uh, just, just, just, just enjoy it. 104 00:07:56.639 --> 00:07:57.360 Don't worry about it. 105 00:07:57.420 --> 00:07:58.379 It's really, it's great. 106 00:07:58.439 --> 00:07:59.699 Just going to wave my hands over here a bit. 107 00:08:00.660 --> 00:08:04.199 Where do we think this takes place for the 5th doctor then? 108 00:08:04.259 --> 00:08:07.800 Oh, no, he says he's travelling with this or in Tegan. 109 00:08:07.860 --> 00:08:09.060 Does he? 110 00:08:09.060 --> 00:08:10.500 He asks whether he's at. 111 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:12.060 Like, there's 10 stop to ask. 112 00:08:12.180 --> 00:08:12.959 Tenant asks him. 113 00:08:13.019 --> 00:08:13.680 He doesn't answer. 114 00:08:13.740 --> 00:08:14.459 Then they go straight. 115 00:08:14.579 --> 00:08:20.879 They go straight to the master beard joke, which I think is possibly my favourite thing about the entire Doctor Whoever. 116 00:08:20.939 --> 00:08:25.980 And, you know, from a straight man that I appreciate that from Moffat. pretty good. 117 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:31.439 I remember what the 1st time I saw it, I laughed so hard when he said, has he still got that rubbish beard? 118 00:08:31.500 --> 00:08:33.059 And I just thought that was so funny alone. 119 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:37.679 And then when Tenant says, no, no, no. 120 00:08:37.740 --> 00:08:38.580 And I was like, that's the end. 121 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:40.980 He's like, well, a wife, I just lost my wife. 122 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:45.360 It's so good And it moves on so quickly, like it's just a little dig. 123 00:08:45.419 --> 00:08:45.840 I love it. 124 00:08:51.899 --> 00:08:53.100 What do we think about the music? 125 00:08:53.220 --> 00:08:58.620 There's that little Davis era stab when he's when he's figuring out what's going on. 126 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:06.600 I didn't even know, I've seen it so many times, and I don't think I even noticed it until the last time, there's just like a little bit of Eddie Sinth when he's figuring out what's happening and it's lovely. 127 00:09:06.659 --> 00:09:08.700 Oh, yes, they're... 128 00:09:08.879 --> 00:09:11.399 I think it's a direct quote from something. 129 00:09:11.460 --> 00:09:13.139 Like, I don't think they're doing it. 130 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:15.840 I think it is a direct quote from a... 131 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:17.519 No, no, it's a Davison episode. 132 00:09:17.580 --> 00:09:21.960 Yeah, they've picked up the incidental music, done some filtering on it and sort of plonked in there. 133 00:09:22.019 --> 00:09:23.940 Yeah, I should be able to recognise it. 134 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:25.919 And then it goes back to Murray at the end. 135 00:09:25.980 --> 00:09:28.500 Obviously, they give Murray the sort of big emotional thing. 136 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:32.399 But I think that may even be using music cues from series 3. 137 00:09:32.580 --> 00:09:37.980 Like, I don't think they're going to hurry into, you know, bring the BBC orchestra in to do it. 138 00:09:38.039 --> 00:09:42.779 Yeah, do some music from probably, I think last of the time locks. 139 00:09:42.840 --> 00:09:43.919 Yeah, yeah. think so. 140 00:09:43.980 --> 00:09:47.220 Do you guys think it's just like 20 people in a room on a Sunday? 141 00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:47.820 making it? 142 00:09:47.879 --> 00:09:49.019 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 143 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:49.559 I think so. 144 00:09:49.620 --> 00:09:54.659 But you know, they do give it more love than it needed to have. 145 00:09:54.720 --> 00:10:00.840 I mean, if you look at this year's children in need, which I just thought was beautiful where did you guys see it? 146 00:10:00.899 --> 00:10:02.039 Yeah. 147 00:10:02.100 --> 00:10:06.240 So this is where Jody and who else is it? 148 00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:08.580 So it's Mandeep and Tosin and Jody. 149 00:10:08.639 --> 00:10:17.460 And they've got a little girl on stage who's who's sort of talking to them on like they're huge on this big screen. 150 00:10:17.580 --> 00:10:18.840 America, yeah. 151 00:10:18.899 --> 00:10:28.019 Yeah, yeah. in America shooting and then the sort of screen opens and then they come out and the little girl goes crazy and stuff and it's all like and they only needed to do that. 152 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:37.799 And there's a Matt Smith one, isn't there, where he's sort of changing clothes and you see how hairy his back is, which is sort of surprising and a bit. 153 00:10:38.940 --> 00:10:41.100 I'm searching in what way? 154 00:10:41.159 --> 00:10:41.879 I don't know. 155 00:10:41.940 --> 00:10:43.440 In my pants. 156 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:49.019 But, you know, that's all you'd need to do. 157 00:10:49.080 --> 00:10:57.840 And so the idea that they give it, you know, like a title and opening credits and they put Peter Davison in the opening credits and they make it like they sell it as a proper episode, I think. 158 00:10:57.899 --> 00:10:59.039 And I think that's lovely. 159 00:10:59.100 --> 00:11:00.120 Yeah. 160 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:04.620 I had no idea that the little girl thing was a children in need. 161 00:11:04.679 --> 00:11:06.720 That made me like, I lost it when I watched that. 162 00:11:06.779 --> 00:11:07.679 It was just so adorable. 163 00:11:07.740 --> 00:11:10.919 You could tell how much Jody loved it, how much she enjoyed it. 164 00:11:10.980 --> 00:11:12.779 It made you moisten up. 165 00:11:12.840 --> 00:11:14.159 Oh, big time. 166 00:11:14.220 --> 00:11:16.919 Oh, it's just like, there was a puddle. 167 00:11:16.980 --> 00:11:17.639 Huge puddle. 168 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:22.860 So Graham Harper's directing? 169 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:24.240 Yeah, yeah, this is Graham Harper. 170 00:11:24.299 --> 00:11:25.620 Oh, okay, all right. 171 00:11:25.679 --> 00:11:33.419 So that's, again, you know, they're giving it more love than it really needs to have or really, you know, absolutely need it. 172 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:34.980 It's much better than it ought to be. 173 00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:35.879 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 174 00:11:35.940 --> 00:11:41.039 They can get away with something a lot less elaborate and a lot less kind of pseudo-canonical. 175 00:11:41.100 --> 00:11:44.820 I also like too, that they do try and make it a proper episode. 176 00:11:44.879 --> 00:11:49.679 Like it ends with the, you know, the end of Last of the Time Lords. 177 00:11:49.679 --> 00:11:55.019 Or, you know, it clearly takes place in between sort of heartbeats. 178 00:11:55.080 --> 00:11:56.279 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 179 00:11:56.340 --> 00:11:58.139 Something weird happens with it. 180 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:00.539 Such a beautiful little cheat, isn't it? 181 00:12:00.600 --> 00:12:14.399 So like go from the end to the last of the time lords where you see the Titanic crashing through and you're expecting, obviously, you know, to go into for each of the time, but obviously this is sort of like a sneak little cutaway, but it also hearkens back to the beginning of series 3, doesn't it, with the runaway bride? 182 00:12:14.460 --> 00:12:30.240 And it's just like a lovely, uh, yeah, just, you know, Moffatt, obviously, sort of playing with the, the narrative sort of structures of Doctor Who, when hearkening back to, um, to, you know, previously in, in series 3, just on, um, use of the director. 183 00:12:30.299 --> 00:12:38.220 It's really lovely to have, you know, maybe maybe the most famous director from Davidson's maybe his best story back as well. 184 00:12:38.279 --> 00:12:41.159 I think that's a nice little nod back to 1983. 185 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:42.539 Yeah, isn't it? 186 00:12:42.600 --> 00:12:46.320 I hadn't really thought of that, but of course, Graham Harper had directed stories for both of them. 187 00:12:47.639 --> 00:12:50.100 How do we think Pete comes across? 188 00:12:50.220 --> 00:12:56.039 He does 2 things, which I really, which I really love, and I endear him to me massively in this story. 189 00:12:56.100 --> 00:13:00.419 At 1st he reacts to David Tennant, like kind of like I do and like that we all do. 190 00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:01.500 Is there something wrong with you? 191 00:13:02.460 --> 00:13:06.659 the way he tells me now that he's his father-in-law as well. 192 00:13:06.720 --> 00:13:07.860 Yeah exactly. 193 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:10.860 Let's try not to think too much about that. 194 00:13:10.919 --> 00:13:16.259 And he sort of chastises him for just babbling on about everything that's happens to be in front of him. 195 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:19.919 And he gets so, he's almost like a grumpy dad. 196 00:13:19.980 --> 00:13:28.679 Like, I remember when my dad got really mad when I changed anything about our computer, like the desktop or whatever, and he gets mad at, he gets mad at tenant for changing the desktop thing. saying you fiddled with the things. 197 00:13:29.039 --> 00:13:30.779 You've changed it. 198 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:31.799 I don't understand it anymore. 199 00:13:31.860 --> 00:13:41.460 Do you know what I think is really lovely is that we always remember Jameson as the kind doctor, but I think Nathan, you said this many times in the past as well. 200 00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:42.419 He's actually not. 201 00:13:42.539 --> 00:13:56.940 And when he's compared against Tennant, who's, you know, perhaps, you know, pub, you know, to the public at least, the most loveable, loveable doctor, I think he's closer to Hartnall than he is to Tennant, and there's that, um, you know, almost like, oh, actually, yeah, that's right. 202 00:13:57.000 --> 00:14:10.620 Peter Davidson's doctor was, you know, sometimes a stringent and acerbic and bit of a smart Alec, and it's, it sort of reminded me of, of something that maybe isn't so pronounced or well remembered about the 5th doctrine. 203 00:14:10.679 --> 00:14:13.559 It's so that he's impatient, I think. 204 00:14:13.620 --> 00:14:14.700 Exasperating. 205 00:14:14.759 --> 00:14:15.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 206 00:14:15.659 --> 00:14:16.500 I love it. 207 00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:20.399 It's my favourite thing about him. he's playing it on a different level here. 208 00:14:20.460 --> 00:14:22.740 You know, he's playing it as a sketch. 209 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:30.240 He has to play the guy who doesn't know what's going on, which is a sort of very different kind of role from what he had as a doctor. 210 00:14:30.299 --> 00:14:32.759 He's not quite like the way he played it originally. 211 00:14:32.820 --> 00:14:38.039 But I just think, you know, he's so spectacular and we were so lucky to have him as the doctor for those few years. 212 00:14:38.159 --> 00:14:45.600 I just love that he, the tenant starts immediately doing his tenet thing and sort of babbling and going really fast and being quite funny and charismatic. 213 00:14:45.659 --> 00:14:50.220 And Davison just finds it super annoying about as annoying as I do sometimes. 214 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:51.659 I just love that he reacts that way. 215 00:14:51.720 --> 00:14:53.460 Again, it's what the war doctor does. 216 00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:55.320 Like Moffatt will use this again. 217 00:14:55.379 --> 00:15:05.879 And it's the war doctor who is clearly standing in for the posh classic series doctors going, you know, who are you babbling children waving your enormous sonic screwdrivers around? 218 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:08.519 and say timey, whimey, you know. 219 00:15:08.580 --> 00:15:17.580 And so, um, here I was actually on rewatch, just a little bit surprised to see Peter Davis and agree to join in with the timey whimey, but, you know, nevertheless. 220 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:21.240 And then there's how it ends. 221 00:15:21.419 --> 00:15:24.659 And I'm going to quote El Sandra for now, James. 222 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:27.059 Take a drink, Dylan. 223 00:15:27.419 --> 00:15:35.820 There's no way that that speech makes any sense within the sort of narrative or within the way that living as the doctor would work. 224 00:15:35.879 --> 00:15:37.440 You know what I mean? 225 00:15:37.500 --> 00:15:40.080 Like, there's a little bit I loved being you or whatever. 226 00:15:40.139 --> 00:15:41.519 I got these things off you. 227 00:15:41.580 --> 00:15:44.820 But that kind of doesn't really make any sense. 228 00:15:44.879 --> 00:16:02.820 And the only way it really does make sense is as David Tennant and Stephen Moffatt, saying to Peter Davison how much they loved him as the doctor and how much sort of future, sort of versions of the doctor, you know, depend on it. 229 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:15.600 You know, we always say Troughton is the doctor who created the role, but the 1st word the doctor says in the new series is run, and the only doctor who's really ever run has been Peter Davidson. 230 00:16:15.659 --> 00:16:17.399 You know, he runs, he has the sneakers. 231 00:16:17.460 --> 00:16:25.440 You know, that that idea that he's a youngish hero, very, very bright, but still really young and lively. 232 00:16:25.500 --> 00:16:27.480 That's that's Davison. 233 00:16:27.539 --> 00:16:32.399 Even to the point where they, where they like straight up just point out the influences. 234 00:16:32.460 --> 00:16:46.139 There's like the squeaky voice, the uh, the trainers and the being young and the, um, the, uh, which is just so, so sweet, the way they, the way they, he says those lines is just beautifully directed and perfectly timed and it's just really lovely. 235 00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:55.259 I love the Brainy Specks line because it's, it just reminds me of how much Janet Fielding used to mock Peter Davison for wearing them. 236 00:17:01.379 --> 00:17:03.779 I think I read somewhere, possibly... 237 00:17:03.779 --> 00:17:06.420 El Sandoval. 238 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:11.819 Peter Davidson is the 1st modern doctor, really. 239 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:14.460 He's the 1st doctor as young man. 240 00:17:14.519 --> 00:17:20.220 He really is the template for most of the new series. 241 00:17:20.279 --> 00:17:20.940 Yeah. 242 00:17:20.940 --> 00:17:27.240 In, in, in, the doctor is sort of action hero running around hectically trying to save the world. 243 00:17:27.299 --> 00:17:33.240 He's much more in the mould of David Tennant and Matt Smith than any other doctor is. 244 00:17:33.299 --> 00:17:35.640 If you think about Lazarus experiment this year. 245 00:17:35.700 --> 00:17:41.279 And you've got, you know, the doctor leaping over consoles and all of that kind of thing. 246 00:17:41.339 --> 00:17:48.180 Like there's not a single other doctor that you can imagine doing anything like that in the classic series apart from Pete. 247 00:17:48.299 --> 00:17:50.039 No, absolutely not. 248 00:17:50.099 --> 00:18:04.380 And to the point where I sometimes think, do we have tenant in the tuxedo and, you know, subsequent doctors in the tuxedo, because there's that promo shot of Peter Davison addressed as Bond, for the, on the, uh, shoots. 249 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:13.140 Like he casts quite a long shadow into knew who, I think, Davidson, and I think it's right that, you know, he's celebrated and remembered in that way. 250 00:18:13.200 --> 00:18:25.980 I think another thing that's like really touching around this, and this is, uh, never could never have been intended at the time, but it's like what, um, I guess the tenant um, legacy is as well. 251 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:30.960 Like, obviously, it's, what, 10 years or so since, um, since, um, you know, left the role. 252 00:18:31.019 --> 00:18:42.599 But it's almost as though, you know, people will be looking back on the tenant era in the same way that, you know, when we were in the midst of the tending era, we looked back at the Davison era through this and there's something quite lovely about that. 253 00:18:42.660 --> 00:18:51.180 The passing of time is, uh, is sort of captured in that moment, but also, yeah, it's also something that, you know, continues and is still relevant. 254 00:18:51.240 --> 00:19:00.779 I still, I still look at that and I, you know, also watched it the other day and the most heartbreaking thing was the realisation that, 0 my god, this is 12 years ago. 255 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:03.180 My life has changed irrevocably. 256 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:30.539 And the young, the, you know, the, the old doctor and the young doctor, it's almost as though like, you know, I'm looking back to when I was, you know, 20 something and a skinny young idiot and, you know, there's something really touching about that portrayal between the tools and, you know, it is definitely, you know, as we say, Moffat and and tenet talking to Davidson as their favourite doctor, but I think it does also speak to the way that we all change. 257 00:19:30.539 --> 00:19:35.400 And what's that line from, you know, the last episode um, of Matt Smith? 258 00:19:35.460 --> 00:19:37.319 where all different people in the end. 259 00:19:37.380 --> 00:19:40.019 It just as long as we remember who we were. 260 00:19:40.079 --> 00:19:43.200 That sort of came to mind when I was watching this again. 261 00:19:43.440 --> 00:19:48.240 Steve, even 12 years later, Steve, you're still more beautiful than David Tennant. 262 00:19:53.579 --> 00:19:56.160 Better you've still got better hair. 263 00:19:57.059 --> 00:19:59.160 At least some of us do. 264 00:19:59.819 --> 00:20:16.140 I was going to say, in fact that it's really Moffat's 1st go at characterising the different regenerations of the doctor as different stages of development and where he does that thing about how you try and be all old and important, which is what you do when you're young. 265 00:20:16.200 --> 00:20:25.619 You know, the reason that Arnold is sort of crotchety and sort of pompous and stuff, which, of course, he isn't, is because he's young, you know, and he's trying to see him grown up. 266 00:20:25.680 --> 00:20:26.940 And I think that's gorgeous. 267 00:20:27.059 --> 00:20:28.980 I think that's absolutely superb. 268 00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:39.240 That's also that strange, like, reflective thing where he talks about being young and getting old when, in fact, almost, you know, in my mind, doctors kind of get progressively younger. 269 00:20:39.299 --> 00:20:43.440 I know it's not like exact, but they just seem to get progressively younger up until tenant. 270 00:20:43.500 --> 00:20:44.700 Yeah, yeah. 271 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:53.279 You know, for a very brief moment, this story was the highest rated episode of the new series. 272 00:20:53.339 --> 00:20:54.660 Oh really? 273 00:20:54.720 --> 00:20:58.259 Yeah, so at our, because people are tuning into too many need anyway. 274 00:20:59.579 --> 00:21:03.480 Children need only average 9.60000 viewers. 275 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:06.359 This gained another 1000000.5 viewers. 276 00:21:06.420 --> 00:21:11.039 And then it'll be knocked off by Kylie and... 277 00:21:11.099 --> 00:21:11.519 Of course. 278 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:12.000 Yeah. 279 00:21:13.319 --> 00:21:21.359 So for again, 29 days or something, it was the highest rated documentary story of the 21st century. 280 00:21:21.420 --> 00:21:24.839 I just think it's like a really fun little adventure. 281 00:21:24.900 --> 00:21:27.900 A nice little nod to Davison. 282 00:21:27.960 --> 00:21:37.380 And it would have all been fine without, even without that bit at the end where you get, they get all lovey-dovey about you and my doctor and snap and all that. 283 00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:42.480 It would have been great without it, but when they put it in, it just like, it just elevates the thing and makes it, makes it wonderful to me. 284 00:22:09.599 --> 00:22:18.420 Weldy listener, it looks like we've got a fairly extensive cleanup job ahead of us, so we'll be off, and we'll see you again at Christmas for Voyage of the Damned. 285 00:22:18.539 --> 00:22:34.859 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts, and you can keep up with us at Flightthrough Entirety on Facebook, at FTE podcast on Twitter, and on our website, FlightthroughEntirety.com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger and Jody Interterterra. 286 00:22:34.920 --> 00:22:37.500 And Stephen and Dan, where can people find you? 287 00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:41.279 Well, you can find us at Twitter at New to Who podcast. 288 00:22:41.339 --> 00:22:47.640 Yeah, you can find pretty much all of our podcast episodes at noodoohoo.com or like whatever podcast app you use. 289 00:22:47.819 --> 00:22:58.380 Until next time, may you keep zooming around space and time, saving planets, fighting monsters, and being, well, let's be honest, pretty sort of marvellous. 290 00:22:58.440 --> 00:23:00.720 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 291 00:23:00.779 --> 00:23:01.440 Good night. 292 00:23:01.500 --> 00:23:02.700 Good seeing you. 293 00:23:02.759 --> 00:23:03.660 What? 294 00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:12.480 That was Flight through Entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, James Selwood, and Stephen and Dan from New to Who. 295 00:23:12.539 --> 00:23:16.319 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, Strings performance by Jane Orberg. 296 00:23:16.380 --> 00:23:22.859 This episode, remember who we were, was recorded on the 10th of December 2019, and released on the 22nd of December. 297 00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:31.440 This episode is 3 times as long as the story it describes, which makes me think that we've undersold some important stories in the past. 298 00:23:31.500 --> 00:23:38.220 So look forward in the new year to a rerelease of our Daleks Masterplan episode, which will clock in at 5 hours. 299 00:23:39.779 --> 00:23:48.059 And sometimes there are bits where we're talking about the episode, but we're kind of flagging a bit or whatever, and I just sort of think, okay, the energy's not right for the main show. 300 00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:49.079 I'm going put it at the end. 301 00:23:49.380 --> 00:23:51.839 Much like most of the things. 302 00:23:51.900 --> 00:23:53.099 James says on this podcast. 303 00:23:53.579 --> 00:24:00.119 Please, please feel free to take out my wank about the Baker Davis and ratings. 304 00:24:00.180 --> 00:24:00.660 I always get that wrong. 305 00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:03.660 Oh, no, no. just sort of cut it so that we all look as smart as possible. 306 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:06.420 Yes, that's what... 307 00:24:06.420 --> 00:24:08.400 But no one quite as smart as Nathan. 308 00:24:08.460 --> 00:24:09.660 Well, no. 309 00:24:09.660 --> 00:24:11.579 I'll come back in and record. 310 00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:14.519 Re-record my bit, so that's something smarter. 311 00:24:15.420 --> 00:24:17.519 James didn't know I did that. 312 00:24:17.640 --> 00:24:18.539 I did. 313 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:19.019 Oh, okay. 314 00:24:19.019 --> 00:24:20.039 You just told me. 315 00:24:20.460 --> 00:24:22.619 Insert some witty jokes and like, yeah, yeah. 316 00:24:22.619 --> 00:24:24.059 Cut in laughter from somewhere else. 317 00:24:24.119 --> 00:24:25.559 Ouch, James, yeah. 318 00:24:25.799 --> 00:24:27.660 All right, here goes. 319 00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:32.759 Well, dear listener, it looks like we've got a fairly extensive.