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Hello, De Lister, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the

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only Doctor Who podcast that also functions as a subbranch of the

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Helen Rainer Fan Club.

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I'm chapter vice president.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm James I'm Peter.

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And I'm Adam.

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Well, we're back on Planet Earth in the present day and it looks

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like we're just in time to foil a terrible attack from some alien

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war potatoes.

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But in order to do that, 1st we'll need to find out a bit more

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about the Santarin strategy.

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Okay, so this is an early season 2 passer in the RTD era, which

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means that, what, everyone hates it.

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Is that the rule?

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I think it is the rule.

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Is that the rule?

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So what hang on, refresh my memory.

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We've had the oh, with the farting aliens.

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Yeah, which was new and fresh.

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Which I adore.

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Amazing.

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And, you know, manages to be about the Iraq war and sort of

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neoliberalism killing us all.

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That whole 1st RTD season is like layered with double meanings.

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And then he just was, I don't have time to write subtext anymore

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13 episodes of a show to pump out.

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No, it is because it's the thing that's been on his shelf.

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Yeah, such a long time.

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And so that story is incredible, I think.

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And you never know where it's going to go.

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It's absolutely fresh.

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But people hate it because it's got farting aliens.

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With zips in there.

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Yeah, yeah, and they want Doctor Who to be serious.

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And isn't wonderfully directed by Keith Bow and that...

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No, who insisted on...

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I mean, I think now, in hindsight, his insistence on having rubber

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suits as opposed to the CGI aliens was correct, because the CGI

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aliens are a little...

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But no one knows how to shoot it.

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You know, like they had Graham Harper on the shelf.

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They could have got him out to do it.

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But, you know, they didn't.

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And then the following year we have Rise of the Cybermen Age of

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Steel.

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Oh, that was the 2nd season one.

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Yeah.

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And of course, that has a lot to say because it is the Saideman.

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Simon have a storied history in Doctor Who, and so you can look at

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where they came from and what they mean.

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There's a lot in there.

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Russell reinvents them.

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You know, he gives some fabulous kind of parallel world acting

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like Liz Shaw got in Inferno, but instead gives it to Camille

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Kajuri, which is unbelievably great.

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She's hilarious.

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We kill the Prime Minister of Great Britain for the 2nd year in a

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row.

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So it really has quite a lot going for it.

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And then last year we had Helen Rainer do...

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Oh, the Daleks in the Daleks.

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That looks better in the rearview mirror, doesn't it?

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So, again, that's really not very well liked, but I think that we

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decided last year that had a reasonable amount going for it, at

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least in the kind of...

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It's called Andrew Garfield.

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Well, that's right.

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There's a lot of good ingredients in Daleks in Manhattan.

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And I think maybe it's a story of 2 halves.

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The 1st episode's actually pretty good. 2nd episode's actually

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pretty bad.

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You liked the Daleks a lot.

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That was that too part.

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It was Richard's favourite one of that season.

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Yeah, just because of the setting and the musical numbers and

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Tallula and all of that.

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And the gorgeous sort of art deco aesthetic.

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Yeah, yeah. there's, you know, there's sewers.

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When Doctor Who is in sewers, it's always good fun.

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That's right.

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Pick faith aliens.

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Aesthetic counts for a lot.

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What's missing this year?

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Aesthetic of any kind.

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So we're in one of sort of Ed Thomas's factories, this time

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subbing out as a factory rather than a sort of alien spaceship.

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Like, I don't think this one is well liked.

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And like I'm kind of reluctant to say that it's got nothing going

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for it, but it is a little bit...

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It's like a piece of celery that looks really nice.

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And you pick it up and you go, this is a bit limp.

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And then you put it on your lapel.

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You could put it into Bloody Mary and hope no one bit into it and

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discovered that it was limp.

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You put it on your lapel, like you wouldn't put a limp one there.

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It would be obvious that it was limp.

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They dip throughout the early 80s.

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Oh, I know.

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But I think just went limp under the hot studio lights.

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I'm sure the 1st take, it looked amazing.

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So this is the return of subtext to the Flight to Entirety after a

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long absence.

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And I think that's the problem is that this isn't particularly

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well liked, but it's not particularly anything.

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No, I don't hate it.

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They don't love it.

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And in fact, I was speaking to friend of the podcast, Stuart

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Manning about this story because I couldn't quite nail down what I

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thought about it.

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And he said that he thinks it's what detractors of RTD's era think

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the era was, even though it wasn't.

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Yeah See, the other thing that you get is that people say that

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it's like a Sarah Jane Adventures episode, and you've got, you

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know, the Loop.

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Like that's an insult.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Sarah Jane Adventures was the best.

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They had a cliffhanger every 2nd episode.

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It's, it was the best idea ever.

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It's really, really fun too.

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And like there were times I think that it was more fun than the

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parent show.

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And it was really kind of inventive, but it's kind of go to was

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there's a sort of consumer electronics device or some kind of

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thing that is suspicious.

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We have to go to the factory where it's created to investigate and

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we discover that, uh, yeah, that it's alien.

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Or, or, you know.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So it's terror of the autons every week.

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Yeah, or the invasion.

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Yeah, a problem for me.

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I love that too.

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What was the name of that juice in the opening Sarah Jane?

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Yeah, bubble shot?

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Bubble shot?

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But your man, Torrens invade via bubble shot.

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So like, I don't think that that's a terrible story to do.

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And it's the 2nd one this year because we've had adipose

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industries pills in the 1st episode.

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So we are going sort of back to it.

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But I kind of get the idea that we want a variety of things.

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You know, the reason that a Doctor Who movie never works is

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because there's just one of it.

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Yes.

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And Doctor Who goes over 13 weeks and each of the weeks has a kind

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of different tone.

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And so, you know, I think it's right to have this sort of story up

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front, but I just think this one is perhaps not very well done.

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I think, you know what?

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This is one of those, and it happens a lot with, you know, Star

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Wars movies now or Marvel movies where sometimes all you can see

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is the whiteboard in the office with all of the dot points on it

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and you're like, could you not have been a bit more creative with

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the list?

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Like, I want Martha, and I want some young guru that's got a

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website, and I'll need unit, and I'll need Santarans, and a scary

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GPS.

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Oh, and maybe make the muffler on your car, be diddly.

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Yeah, I want all of that and Donna's parents.

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And also, like, and once you've written all those things, you're

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like, well, there's no room.

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Oh, and clones, we need clones.

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In the original version of the draft outline of the story, whole

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of the factory was clones.

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Yes, I read that.

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And then they became hypnotised.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You know, that bit, for this episode, and we'll talk next week

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about the poison sky and what that has to say.

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It actually edges close to actually being about something for a

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2nd and then shies away from it.

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And it's the usual thing where Donna is horrified by an army raid

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on a factory to check kind of illegal aliens working in the

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factory.

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And so she goes to a kind of reflexive, compassionate and sort of

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left wing response to what's going on.

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And then Martha interviews that guy, who is from Poland, I guess.

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So it's almost like they're, yeah, like you say, they're edging

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towards trying to comment on something and they're not doing

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anything about it.

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No.

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So is the idea that we're thinking about the way that people who

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are brought in on particular visas or who are here illegally are

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kind of forced to are kind of dehumanised.

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Although, I mean, was this this would have been after Poland

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entered the EU.

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Yeah, yeah.

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They're allowed.

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They're allowed.

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They're allowed to wander over and do what they feel like.

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But not as far as Brexeter is there.

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No, and now they're not allowed.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So they're dehumanised for the sake of, you know, because they

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aren't able to access their rights or something.

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But that's basically 2 scenes and I'm really stretching it a bit.

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Yeah, they just crossed that off the whiteboard and gone, right

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that seems in there, we're done.

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But I think that's the problem when we were talking earlier about

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the fact that we've already done this type of story this season

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with partners in crime.

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There's a Russell formula and it's why people think the Russell

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seasons are like this.

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Russell gets it right every time because he can do it.

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He brings lightness and he can look at that kind of whiteboard and

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assemble things and make everything organic to each other.

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I think whenever other writers tries to do it.

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It doesn't work, which is why Helen, and I'm not having a

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particular go at her, couldn't quite get it to happen last year on

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the Dalek 2 parter.

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It doesn't happen here, and it doesn't happen when Chris... ultimate

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irony that the script editor of the show is the one whose scripts

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need the most editing and no one has bothered to do that.

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Like these 2 episodes.

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Someone should have gone.

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Do we know that, though?

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Well, I mean, he had a pass at it.

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Russell rewrote it, but like if you got rid of the whole Radigan

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business and his weird red hoodie cult, which adds nothing to the

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episode, other than a gurning, annoying performance, by someone

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who's older than a child actor, but not behaving like one.

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Uh, like it does nothing.

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All he's there for is to be a sacrificial lamb in the next

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episode.

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So he does he has no function in this episode whatsoever.

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He's literally a plot device.

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Yeah, he's a he's a McGuffin.

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Human McGuffin.

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Like, are we saying something about startup culture or something?

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No, you know, like it's too kind of...

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Did he invent the Atmos?

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Is that is that what's going on?

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Like that is barely mentioned.

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Yeah, there's like a one... at the factory.

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Like if that's his business.

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Why isn't he there?

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And also, can someone clarify for me what the link was between the

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GPS and the Atmos?

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Yeah.

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That was a last minute thing, apparently, in the script.

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It was always meant to be about the emissions. and then they went

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Russell was like, oh, I've always had this idea about a deadly

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GPS.

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Let's have it be a package.

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That thing, right, at the start, this is your final destination.

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I mean, that smacked very much of a Bob Baker and Dave Martin.

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Let's make up the slogan and then craft a plotter.

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And this is this is saying so much.

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That works better.

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That works better in SpyFall.

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Yes.

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Although the opening scene is great.

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Like, even Murray Gold, who sometimes, you know, gives me the

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creeping heebie-jeebies, is channelling Bernard Herman in this

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beautiful opening moment where the car is driving towards the

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water and she kind of, it's like you're like, 0 my god, this is

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great.

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This is going to be a really good episode.

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This is...

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We know a mansion.

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Yeah, it's in purple for some reason.

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Yes, I know, and everyone's got a red hoodie.

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Like it's really evocative.

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Like you think, oh, something creepy is happening here.

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Something amazing is going to happen in this episode.

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And then none of it plays out.

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Like, it all just sort of goes, eh, though, for an episode that's

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so saturated in colour. very beige.

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Well, see, this is my thing.

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I know a lot of people like to blame Helen Rayner for the writing

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but I actually think it's Douglas McKinnon, who is one of those

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bloodless directors the show has ever had.

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Like, it's kind of like the only scene that is really interesting

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is, uh, is in the next episode.

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But, you know, I tried to watch his good omens, which I found

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frustratingly annoying and indulgent, like just letting people do

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whatever they felt like.

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It's almost like he turns the cameras on and wanders away and says

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yeah, yeah, they'll sort that out and we'll fix it in the edit.

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Like, I feel like he's not actually there. as a director.

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I think that there is at least one sequence here where I think

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that the actors are really killing it and that is Donna's return

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home.

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Oh, yeah.

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But you've got 3 amazing actors.

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Like, you don't need a director for those three.

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No.

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And I think that that's absolutely the best thing about this

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episode.

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And the way it starts, you know, one of the things that happens

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all the time, and it doesn't seem to affect tenant's performance

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the way it should.

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But Donna's role is to puncture the doctor.

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So whenever the doctor does, you know, like a big, a big moment.

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Her job is to kind of bring him down to earth.

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That moment where she says she's going home.

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Yes.

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And he's gone, like, you were the best thing.

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You stopped it.

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It's like, like he goes over and she just lets him.

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Yeah, yeah, carry on being properly tenant and Russell T. Davis

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creeping little smile.

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Yes.

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Oh, I was just going home.

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Yeah, it's her reaction where she slowly just, you know, it

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becomes clear that she's just letting him do this.

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And it's like the show is parroting what has been happening for

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the last 3 years.

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Like it's going, let's let's let's upend our own paradigm.

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Well, it's the same thing at the very beginning where Martha and

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Donna 1st meet and the doctor wants them to fight and they refuse

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to.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And she calls him a prawn and then she calls him a dumbo when it's

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time to go home.

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And then she goes home and that, like even that sort of really

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cheesy walking down the street looking at people going past with

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little flashbacks to the emotional moments that she's had over the

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past few episodes.

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But then, I mean, then you get the whole thing where she stops

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like she sees her grandfather and and then he's just like waving

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his arms going, he's so excited that she's come home.

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She runs like a 10 year old.

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She's so excited.

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And then they hug it like, I just well up every time I watch it.

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But see, that's the thing.

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I think McKinnon's good at those kinds of scenes, but you give him

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anything with, you know, science fiction drama or dynamism.

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Yeah, and he's like, yeah, I don't know. all of those scenes with

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Donna's family are complete boilerplate.

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Yeah.

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I think everything that's warm and good about them is all brought

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by the performances.

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Otherwise, it's just by numbers.

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I mean, I like I've got to think that Russell pays particular

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attention to those scenes in his passover because he's done this

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incredible reinvention of Donna, which I don't think gets enough

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credit.

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Like he really, really reworks the character quite seriously in

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order to make her a going concern.

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And so properly characterising the family based on what Sylvia's

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like in Runaway bride.

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But also like the, you know, they were also hamstrung, but turned

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it to their advantage by the fact that her dad was meant to be in

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a filmed scene. these 2 episodes were written with her father, you

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know, in jeopardy in the car.

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So having to recast that as the grandfather, you know, make it a

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different kind of situation.

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Like that could have been a disaster.

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Like just getting someone to the last minute and but instead you

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get Bernard Cribbins, who's incredible.

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Well, you see, Russell has to make her into a person rather than a

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Christmas draw.

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And can I also say, I think that would have actually been better

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if it had been reversed.

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The fact that Cuddly Wolf is trapped inside the car and everyone's

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going a bit crazy about it is kind of like the obvious choice.

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It would have been much better if Sylvia was trapped in the car

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and Wolf ends up saving the day.

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That just feels more organic to me.

367
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Oh, but I just, I love like, Sylvia wielding a hammer.

368
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Yeah, I agree.

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Jackie King attacking your car.

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I'm sure Russ...

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I'm on board with Jackie.

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I'm sure Russell said this at some point in an interview that as

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soon as he got the image of her wielding that hammer that like it

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was sold for him.

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It was like, no, she has to be, she has to smash the windscreen.

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Although it is really frustrating as a cliffhanger for this

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episode because the whole time you're like, why doesn't someone

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break the bloody window?

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You're going to wait a whole week to say Jackie Kington?

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Do we not think, though, that as wonderful as she is all the time

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these episodes are a little bit regressive for Donna?

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She doesn't achieve anything?

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She's sidelined in the plot.

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And next week when we come to that, we'll find out that actually

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she's very tentative about doing things that she should be

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confident with by now.

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So it feels like a backward step for me.

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Oh, okay.

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I felt that too when I was watching.

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But they were getting ahead of ourselves, so that is next week.

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But even this week, she doesn't do much.

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She gets to be super temp, which is sort of standard Donna stuff.

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But why hang?

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I really actually find that frustrating that they have to draw

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attention to it?

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Why not just have her be intelligent?

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Why do you have, yeah, and clever and sort of, you know, have sort

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that out?

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Like, you know she worked in an office.

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You don't have to hang a hang a lantern on a train.

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Oh, I kind of thing.

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I like that, though, because it's that thing of like, just because

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your job to you feels like, oh, I just turn up and I just work in

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the secretarial thing, like that's, you know, I don't really do

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anything important.

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It's like, no, no, no, that is an important job and you know

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things about a business that no one else would know.

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And she's good at it.

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And because we had Lance in Runaway Bride talking about how stupid

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she was, how she couldn't find Germany on a map or whatever.

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You flavour of Pringle.

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You have to make her smart.

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She's totally smart.

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She's she's smart in all ways.

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She's emotionally smart, intellectually smart.

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She just plays up the fact that she's not.

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And I don't think this episode helped her very much.

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I mean, we all know that she went off into the office to get a man

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came back and found the details that she needed.

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As we all do, yeah.

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She probably found one in there and still found the details.

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She's a very busy girl.

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Although with that guy that Martha had finished interviewing

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probably still sitting in the corner with a very quick heart

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rate.

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I mean, opportunity.

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I'd never made the comlish.

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I never made the connection that she ends up working in an office

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the next major role.

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By the way, talking of Martha, who we've ignored.

431
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Much like Helen Rayner.

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So, she's engaged to the, you know, Lucifer.

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But then doesn't she end up married to Mickey?

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Did we ever...

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We never saw what happened with Lucifer and the engagement.

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Like, this is just an untold Martha story.

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I believe the fact that she ended up married to Mickey was meant

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to be tied up with Mickey's appearance in Torchwood, which never

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happened.

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Oh, and also the fact that they'd met at the end of this season.

441
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Oh, in the... when she had the Osterhagen key.

442
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well done.

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That was good.

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I just call it the anagram.

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I just remember it being such a big thing.

448
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I was like, what is it?

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What is it?

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I'm like, oh, it's a button.

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It sounds like an ice cream dog.

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I've got Osterhagen for everyone.

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It's a German vanetta.

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I love how Helen Andor Russell has the temerity to actually have

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Martha phoning in her performance in her 1st scene.

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Yeah, exactly.

457
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Literally.

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Bringing you back down to her.

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It's so, it's so, you know, like cold open acting.

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Like she's saying it like it's about to lead into the opening

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credit.

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It's like no one talks like that.

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Like she can see it flying towards her through the sky.

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We loved Martha last year.

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I think her performance is generally really good.

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And they're bringing her back for 5 episodes this year for kind of

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I don't know, consolation.

468
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She's also done 3 tortures.

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So she's had, you know, a decent 8 weeks.

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But by the end of Russell's sort of era as the showrunner on, you

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know, these 3 shows, she's been in another 9 episodes after being

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sacked.

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So they're bringing it back.

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Well, let's say let go.

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But they're not doing any of the things with her character that we

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like.

477
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Yeah.

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She's sort of very quickly kind of sidelined and then evil.

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She's back to dialects in Manhattan, Martha.

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Remember, we talked about the fact that Martha gets very little to

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do.

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She's just generic companion throughout those episodes after 3

483
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episodes of being really quite strong and well written and she's

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back to being a plot function here.

485
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So is Donna in this episode as well.

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Like, Donna barely has a plot function.

487
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Like, she finds a folder and then goes to a CFM.

488
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And that's that's shocking after you've just had Pompeii.

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And Oud, like where this character has...

490
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And you foreshadowing that something's happening to her, like

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there's important things going on.

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And you've really seen her sort of chops, I guess.

493
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You've really seen her become a sort of more...

494
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Why?

495
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Why bring in old mate, new Benton?

496
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

497
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I can see the wisdom of that.

498
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I mean, he's pretty.

499
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Well, you know, they did have a gay cast.

500
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I recently watched him in that Agatha Christie where he replaced

501
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the rapist from Gossip Girl.

502
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He's no good.

503
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I think, I mean, he's not required to do very much in this apart

504
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from Be Pretty and he does that fantastic well.

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So that's Ross Jenkins.

506
00:23:19.559 --> 00:23:22.380
And I think they had the character's name.

507
00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:24.599
They had been going to bring him back for turn left.

508
00:23:24.839 --> 00:23:27.240
But he wasn't available.

509
00:23:27.299 --> 00:23:28.920
And that would have been kind of perfect.

510
00:23:28.980 --> 00:23:30.180
Which is why they kill him off.

511
00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:30.839
Yeah.

512
00:23:30.900 --> 00:23:34.619
No, but I think they would have killed him off, but had him still

513
00:23:34.619 --> 00:23:38.640
alive in the turn left version of reality to make the decision

514
00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:40.859
about switching back.

515
00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:43.920
The time tracks more interesting because we would have been

516
00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:46.019
switching them back to a time when Ross was dead.

517
00:23:46.079 --> 00:23:47.819
And I'm not suggesting that they would have.

518
00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:49.920
Poor Donna, how many times does she have to give up an entire

519
00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:50.339
life?

520
00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:55.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah Well, I mean, to go and get back on the TARDIS.

521
00:23:55.559 --> 00:23:58.380
The reason for that, though, is that Russell doesn't rewrite

522
00:23:58.380 --> 00:24:02.400
Moffat and Russell realises that they've both written the same

523
00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:05.700
story in a while. why they have to shove midnight in between.

524
00:24:05.759 --> 00:24:06.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

525
00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:09.779
Which was apparently meant to be earlier in the season.

526
00:24:09.839 --> 00:24:12.000
I think that slot was meant to be, yes.

527
00:24:12.059 --> 00:24:16.980
Because, yeah, midnight, because the appearance of Rose in the

528
00:24:16.980 --> 00:24:20.460
next episode was originally meant to happen earlier and they're

529
00:24:20.460 --> 00:24:22.200
like, oh, we're going to have to jam her in somewhere else.

530
00:24:22.259 --> 00:24:22.859
Yeah, yeah.

531
00:24:22.859 --> 00:24:25.440
That team was shot before midnight during turn lamp.

532
00:24:25.500 --> 00:24:26.339
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

533
00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:28.500
Can we talk a little bit more about Martha?

534
00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:33.180
Because I think bring her back was a big thing for the kids.

535
00:24:33.240 --> 00:24:35.700
They would have loved seeing that, but she's given no agency in

536
00:24:35.700 --> 00:24:36.059
this story.

537
00:24:36.119 --> 00:24:37.200
She's just kind of brought back.

538
00:24:37.319 --> 00:24:40.319
They have a scene with her and the doctor and Donna, and then

539
00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:43.140
she's kind of sent off on her own storyline and has very little

540
00:24:43.140 --> 00:24:45.059
interaction with the regulars thereafter.

541
00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:48.839
So what she has, that conversation that she has with Donna, I

542
00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:49.380
think, is very good.

543
00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:51.180
Yeah, I would have watched an episode of that.

544
00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:51.720
Yep.

545
00:24:51.779 --> 00:24:54.599
I also think that leaving her, because she has the best kind of

546
00:24:54.599 --> 00:24:58.079
leaving scene in the new series, I think, where she just goes on

547
00:24:58.079 --> 00:24:58.740
her own terms.

548
00:24:58.740 --> 00:25:00.779
And we're going to see her again.

549
00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:03.420
We don't have to sort of trap her in the past or, you know, in a

550
00:25:03.420 --> 00:25:07.079
parallel universe or, you know, send her off to live in a puddle

551
00:25:07.079 --> 00:25:09.059
with a sort of space lesbian or something.

552
00:25:09.180 --> 00:25:10.680
We can just, do you know what I mean?

553
00:25:10.740 --> 00:25:14.220
She just, she just goes back to her life and we can see her

554
00:25:14.220 --> 00:25:14.579
again.

555
00:25:14.640 --> 00:25:15.839
And I really love it.

556
00:25:15.900 --> 00:25:18.839
It's kind of like they're doing all the things that fans wish to

557
00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:20.940
happen with Sarah Jane back in the day.

558
00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:21.480
Yeah.

559
00:25:21.539 --> 00:25:24.660
Like, it's like, oh, imagine if, you know, the doctor and Leila

560
00:25:24.660 --> 00:25:26.880
went back to...

561
00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:28.980
And there was Sarah Jane still hanging out with the unit.

562
00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:30.900
Yeah, doing business.

563
00:25:31.019 --> 00:25:36.480
Like Sarah Jane, Elizabeth Sleden doesn't free management do a

564
00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:38.279
great job of being kind of casually evil.

565
00:25:38.339 --> 00:25:38.940
Yeah.

566
00:25:38.940 --> 00:25:44.339
Anytime Sarah was taken over or a duplicate. you know, you were

567
00:25:44.339 --> 00:25:44.700
there for it.

568
00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:45.900
Same with Freema.

569
00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:46.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

570
00:25:46.980 --> 00:25:50.759
She does some great kind of eye rolling and kind of exasperation

571
00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:51.480
and stuff.

572
00:25:51.539 --> 00:25:55.799
She presses and like no one else ever has, I think.

573
00:25:56.099 --> 00:26:00.480
That whole, I mean, that, again, we're drifting into the 2nd

574
00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:04.259
episode, but that is part of the editing process that needed to be

575
00:26:04.259 --> 00:26:07.319
gotten rid of, that whole ongoing narrative with sending the

576
00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:07.680
bombs.

577
00:26:07.740 --> 00:26:11.279
Like, it's already established that they can't affect the

578
00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:12.119
spaceship.

579
00:26:12.180 --> 00:26:14.579
So what's the point?

580
00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:16.079
What's the point of turning them off?

581
00:26:16.140 --> 00:26:19.500
And then there's just a weird line of justification later on.

582
00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:24.059
And I, it's like, this is a, this is a single episode that somehow

583
00:26:24.059 --> 00:26:26.700
managed to blow out to a double episode.

584
00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:31.079
There's a weird thing where there's some reference made to her

585
00:26:31.079 --> 00:26:31.920
pressing N.

586
00:26:33.059 --> 00:26:35.160
But she's pressing a big button that says no.

587
00:26:35.220 --> 00:26:38.640
And I just wonder whether, like, it's like we thought it was going

588
00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:41.460
to be a blackberry, but it ends up being a big screen or something

589
00:26:41.460 --> 00:26:43.799
and no one kind of...

590
00:26:43.859 --> 00:26:48.299
Yeah, it's, yeah, no, for, yeah, it is hard to know what that's

591
00:26:48.299 --> 00:26:48.539
doing.

592
00:26:48.539 --> 00:26:51.660
Because once you, once you stop at once, all you need to do is say

593
00:26:51.660 --> 00:26:55.559
we can't fire them again or whatever for some reason.

594
00:26:55.619 --> 00:26:57.900
Instead, it's like, oh, I've gotta give Martha something else to

595
00:26:57.900 --> 00:26:58.079
do.

596
00:26:58.140 --> 00:26:59.700
Evil Martha's got to have another job.

597
00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:03.720
And that would have been structurally better for the plot as well

598
00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:09.119
if it had been, she'd taken control of it. you know, using the

599
00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:14.700
Sontarin's technology and the codes and they they realise they

600
00:27:14.700 --> 00:27:18.240
can't fire them and then it's like, what do we do now?

601
00:27:18.299 --> 00:27:20.039
Do something more interesting.

602
00:27:20.099 --> 00:27:25.440
Like, it's just literally so she has the occasional scene whilst

603
00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:28.920
she's doing nothing else for the plot, just pressing a button so

604
00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:31.859
you kind of know, you like, hey, yeah, there's still some nuclear

605
00:27:31.859 --> 00:27:32.220
weapons.

606
00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:33.539
You know what?

607
00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:38.819
Strip out that, strip out Radigan and his weird red hoodie academy

608
00:27:38.819 --> 00:27:44.640
and have pretty new Benton sacrifice himself at the end for the

609
00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:44.940
doctor.

610
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:48.599
Like, you've cut half, half, like one whole episode out.

611
00:27:48.660 --> 00:27:50.039
Everything's fine.

612
00:27:50.099 --> 00:27:52.140
I'm sure we're going to miss out on Jackie King breaking a window

613
00:27:52.140 --> 00:27:53.099
with them.

614
00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:57.539
But I'd be happy to sacrifice that for more linear storytelling.

615
00:27:57.599 --> 00:28:01.079
Apparently, I think we discussed this last week.

616
00:28:01.140 --> 00:28:07.619
The Oud story, Russell had initially considered making it a two

617
00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:07.619
part.

618
00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:08.220
Oh, yeah.

619
00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:10.740
There was there's plenty of meat in that for 2 episodes.

620
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:11.819
This one?

621
00:28:11.819 --> 00:28:14.759
No, as the episode 452 parter.

622
00:28:14.819 --> 00:28:18.000
Particularly as an answer to the Impossible Planet 2 party.

623
00:28:18.059 --> 00:28:21.539
You know, you have 2 parts on the Oud, now have 2 parts kind of

624
00:28:21.539 --> 00:28:22.079
freeing them.

625
00:28:22.140 --> 00:28:23.880
You have to bring Ida back?

626
00:28:23.940 --> 00:28:24.779
Yeah, yeah.

627
00:28:24.839 --> 00:28:26.579
And it has something political to say.

628
00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:28.140
Like, it's actually about something.

629
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:30.240
And of course, this is the problem with this episode.

630
00:28:30.299 --> 00:28:33.000
I don't think it's about anything, even though it makes pretence

631
00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:33.599
of being about something.

632
00:28:42.660 --> 00:28:44.460
You know what we haven't mentioned?

633
00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:46.380
It's DeSontara.

634
00:28:46.980 --> 00:28:49.079
They're in the title.

635
00:28:49.140 --> 00:28:52.079
The whole reason that it was a two-parter.

636
00:28:52.140 --> 00:28:53.579
We've got a returning monster.

637
00:28:53.640 --> 00:28:54.839
Same with the cybermen.

638
00:28:54.900 --> 00:28:56.519
It's like we've got a returning monster.

639
00:28:56.579 --> 00:28:59.940
We're going have a double episode to really make everyone

640
00:28:59.940 --> 00:29:00.480
excited.

641
00:29:00.539 --> 00:29:04.680
Also, that's, from the reality point of view why you do a two

642
00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:08.640
parter, is because one episode finances one of the plastic heads

643
00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:11.880
and the next episode finances the other rubber head, so you can

644
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:14.640
have 2 son torants talking instead of a bunch of helmets.

645
00:29:14.700 --> 00:29:16.680
Like the jadoon.

646
00:29:16.740 --> 00:29:21.720
So, so, I think that this proves once and for all that the Son

647
00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:24.900
Torrance don't work and that they're a dumb idea.

648
00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:25.859
You know what?

649
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:31.019
This, I think, was the, this feels like the impetus for Stephen

650
00:29:31.019 --> 00:29:34.619
Moffatt and Big Finish both going, you know what?

651
00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:38.279
They've cast comedians, and they've not given them anything funny

652
00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:38.700
to do.

653
00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:40.500
Let's make the Santarans funny.

654
00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:42.420
And they were always funny.

655
00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:45.779
Yeah, Robert Holmes writes them is extremely entertaining.

656
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:48.599
Maybe not on the nose funny like they are here.

657
00:29:48.660 --> 00:29:51.720
But it's what differentiates them from other monsters. their

658
00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:53.039
pomposity. funny.

659
00:29:53.099 --> 00:29:57.660
And the thing is that, and this is Sandafar.

660
00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:02.759
The thing is that Holmes doesn't create the Santaran so much as

661
00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:03.599
create links.

662
00:30:03.660 --> 00:30:09.180
And so in the Time Warrior, the doctor is the scientific advisor

663
00:30:09.180 --> 00:30:10.500
to a military organisation.

664
00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:15.420
Then he goes back in time and meets this sort of alien who's a

665
00:30:15.420 --> 00:30:17.759
scientific advisor to a warlord.

666
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:24.240
And links is a really, really good character and he's really funny

667
00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:28.079
and the interaction between him and David Dacre's character who is

668
00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:29.400
called Iron Gron.

669
00:30:29.700 --> 00:30:33.839
Like all of that stuff is like super, super funny.

670
00:30:33.900 --> 00:30:37.019
And the Cliffhanger to episode one, where he takes the helmet off

671
00:30:37.019 --> 00:30:39.420
and the head is the same shape as the helmet.

672
00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:42.000
That's genuinely meant to be funny, surely.

673
00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:47.279
So I think they work and then I don't think they ever work again.

674
00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:54.180
You know, you've got the same actor back in a in the Santarian

675
00:30:54.180 --> 00:30:57.660
experiment, like in a sort of sort of needlessly nasty.

676
00:30:57.720 --> 00:30:58.740
That's bothering.

677
00:30:58.859 --> 00:31:00.960
I kind of like that it's needlessly nasty, though. funny.

678
00:31:01.019 --> 00:31:04.200
Well, season is so needlessly nasty. love it.

679
00:31:04.259 --> 00:31:04.980
Yeah, it is good.

680
00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:08.759
No, it is good, but it is kind of ooh.

681
00:31:09.180 --> 00:31:11.460
So I don't think they work there.

682
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:14.160
I think they're sort of shockingly terrible in the invasion of

683
00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:14.400
time.

684
00:31:14.460 --> 00:31:15.779
They're wasted.

685
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:20.099
Um, and then you've got the Santarans being a part of another

686
00:31:20.099 --> 00:31:21.960
checklist story in the 2 doctors.

687
00:31:22.019 --> 00:31:24.779
I think the Santarans are wonderfully good in the 2 doctors.

688
00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:27.299
Do you love a?

689
00:31:27.299 --> 00:31:27.720
No, no.

690
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:28.740
Oh, you do?

691
00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:29.220
Oh, okay.

692
00:31:29.220 --> 00:31:31.079
I'm like, no, you can't be serious.

693
00:31:31.140 --> 00:31:33.779
I don't like the mask. in the 2 doctors.

694
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:34.920
No, there's a lot of problems.

695
00:31:34.980 --> 00:31:37.680
They cast far too tall and so they're not, but I think the

696
00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:41.460
characters are actually what style is based on because they're

697
00:31:41.460 --> 00:31:42.359
military buffoons.

698
00:31:42.420 --> 00:31:46.380
And that's Robert Holmes again returning to their pomposity and

699
00:31:46.380 --> 00:31:47.099
making them funny.

700
00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:49.920
And that's the template for these Santarans.

701
00:31:49.980 --> 00:31:52.140
I think Sontarans and the 2 doctors are great. the best part of

702
00:31:52.140 --> 00:31:52.440
the story.

703
00:31:52.500 --> 00:31:57.180
I think part of the problem here is that like Russell is trying to

704
00:31:57.180 --> 00:32:02.039
make a commentary on the military and make them heroic while

705
00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:05.759
making the doctor at odds with the military and he's also heroic

706
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:11.220
and then you've got the bad military, which is the Santarans, but

707
00:32:11.220 --> 00:32:16.440
he's trying so hard not to say that being in the service is a bad

708
00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:23.039
thing that the Santarans don't necessarily do anything military.

709
00:32:23.099 --> 00:32:25.859
Like the, and it's constantly said, this isn't like this on

710
00:32:25.859 --> 00:32:26.279
Torrance.

711
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:27.720
This isn't like this on Torrance at all.

712
00:32:27.779 --> 00:32:28.559
This isn't like the song.

713
00:32:28.619 --> 00:32:29.579
Well they're mine and you get someone else.

714
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:31.799
It doesn't make any sense at all.

715
00:32:31.859 --> 00:32:35.339
You get those scenes where they lock the rifles of the people who

716
00:32:35.339 --> 00:32:39.059
are fighting them, which is about the most uncourageous thing that

717
00:32:39.059 --> 00:32:42.839
you do, is turning your enemy into someone who can't fight back.

718
00:32:42.900 --> 00:32:44.700
And yet, Son Torans seem to find that good.

719
00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:46.740
So that wouldn't matter.

720
00:32:46.859 --> 00:32:47.880
But then the excitement of being shot.

721
00:32:47.940 --> 00:32:50.279
Like, oh, yes.

722
00:32:50.339 --> 00:32:51.900
This is a war.

723
00:32:52.019 --> 00:32:53.940
But it is that thing.

724
00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:54.779
That's the big problem.

725
00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:58.200
They are sort of trying to say something about the military.

726
00:32:58.259 --> 00:33:02.880
And you can see, for instance, you know, the doctor is cross with

727
00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:06.480
Colonel Mason a bit of a dick to Colonel Mays. and you have the

728
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:10.859
you have Martha calling him out on that and saying that her job is

729
00:33:10.859 --> 00:33:13.259
to be here to try and make the military better.

730
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:16.859
And you get her saying, you know, we're not here to check your

731
00:33:16.859 --> 00:33:20.039
immigration status to little Polish guy and all of that.

732
00:33:20.099 --> 00:33:22.319
So she's trying to be the nice face of it.

733
00:33:22.380 --> 00:33:26.640
But because the Sonterans have been shoehorned into this weird

734
00:33:26.640 --> 00:33:32.640
Atmos GPS plot, that they don't really work with, the whole kind

735
00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:34.740
of parallel is completely undermined.

736
00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:38.099
And I guess, you know, next week we get scenes of them shooting

737
00:33:38.099 --> 00:33:42.720
each other and maybe that's where it kind of...

738
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:45.960
That just feels like another, you know, Russell's trying to remake

739
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:46.799
his favourite episodes.

740
00:33:46.859 --> 00:33:49.259
Like, oh, he's remade Spearhead from space.

741
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:53.819
And now he's trying to remake the invasion slash to reveal it on

742
00:33:53.819 --> 00:33:56.279
slash anything with unit. attacking a factory.

743
00:33:57.539 --> 00:34:01.380
There's definitely a point there to be made about kind of military

744
00:34:01.380 --> 00:34:05.640
and an attempt to contrast the doctor with units with Son

745
00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:06.240
Torrens.

746
00:34:06.299 --> 00:34:08.880
But then that gets lost because the doctor is so needlessly

747
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:10.739
antagonistic with unit.

748
00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:13.860
He's really nasty to the characters.

749
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:15.840
Like basically telling them off all the time.

750
00:34:15.900 --> 00:34:19.440
Whereas the Pertwee doctor, for instance, was much more dry about

751
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:22.260
you know, oh, we're going to blow something up again, Brigadier

752
00:34:22.260 --> 00:34:25.079
whereas the doctor is actually just not a very nice person in

753
00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:25.619
those scenes.

754
00:34:25.739 --> 00:34:27.780
But is that...

755
00:34:27.780 --> 00:34:34.079
Is that more a limitation of tenant just going, I am ebullient or

756
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:34.380
angry.

757
00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:38.400
I have no, there's, there's no shades of gray with tenants.

758
00:34:38.460 --> 00:34:41.460
Well, you see, I think David's always trying 110% to bring

759
00:34:41.460 --> 00:34:42.119
something to it.

760
00:34:42.179 --> 00:34:43.679
But sometimes he's ill served.

761
00:34:43.739 --> 00:34:45.599
And he's all served here.

762
00:34:45.659 --> 00:34:46.679
There's nothing really to work with.

763
00:34:46.739 --> 00:34:47.519
There's no subtext.

764
00:34:47.579 --> 00:34:48.179
No.

765
00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:48.420
No.

766
00:34:48.420 --> 00:34:49.079
No.

767
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:52.679
So I think that this is kind of the death knell for the Santarians

768
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:54.059
as a kind of credible threat.

769
00:34:54.179 --> 00:34:57.300
Like, you can't imagine there being a Sonteran episode from here

770
00:34:57.300 --> 00:34:57.780
on in.

771
00:34:57.840 --> 00:34:59.400
But you know what?

772
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:02.639
They did such great work with the design of their spaceship and

773
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:06.599
how their hilarious spherical spaceships from the 70s managed to

774
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:09.119
slot into the little bump holes on the...

775
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:12.480
And it itself is a big ground sphere with sort of pointy things on

776
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:12.659
it.

777
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:13.199
The design.

778
00:35:13.260 --> 00:35:16.679
The set, the interior set is shocking people again.

779
00:35:16.739 --> 00:35:21.119
Like, what the hell are those sort of prism things, you know, the

780
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:23.340
boxes hanging off the ceiling?

781
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:24.179
Oh, no, I like this.

782
00:35:24.179 --> 00:35:28.920
One tarin's taste in light decorations.

783
00:35:28.980 --> 00:35:30.119
It's super 70s.

784
00:35:30.179 --> 00:35:32.940
Like, it's like...

785
00:35:33.659 --> 00:35:37.260
I find the blueness of them kind of distracting.

786
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:38.639
It's like why are they blue?

787
00:35:38.699 --> 00:35:42.420
Was it that's that's Russell T. Davis that?

788
00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:43.139
Yeah, why not?

789
00:35:43.139 --> 00:35:45.840
No, they are with her costume.

790
00:35:45.900 --> 00:35:46.739
They all coloured that colour.

791
00:35:46.860 --> 00:35:49.559
But don't you think it's because the Jadoon came in last year and

792
00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:52.559
they were wearing things that we at the time...

793
00:35:52.619 --> 00:35:55.980
Thought were a bit sort of like, I mean, you know, they're taller

794
00:35:55.980 --> 00:35:58.739
and it's a little bit more sort of fetish, Folsom Street.

795
00:35:59.340 --> 00:36:00.480
Oh, yeah, that skirt thing.

796
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:01.679
Yeah, yeah.

797
00:36:01.739 --> 00:36:04.139
And did you do like better Son Torans than the Son Torans?

798
00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:04.980
Yeah.

799
00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:08.519
But there is there is a Russell T. Davis thing of like, I want

800
00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:12.179
kids to be able to draw them and making them bright blue is like

801
00:36:12.179 --> 00:36:16.619
yes, I can draw their weird brown heads and their bright blue

802
00:36:16.619 --> 00:36:17.219
necks.

803
00:36:17.219 --> 00:36:20.820
And we haven't mentioned the creative hire that is sontahha.

804
00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:21.960
Oh dear.

805
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:24.300
Where they're doing the Harker.

806
00:36:24.900 --> 00:36:26.940
Santahaka.

807
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:27.719
Yeah, yeah.

808
00:36:27.780 --> 00:36:28.739
The Space Harker.

809
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:29.699
It's appropriation.

810
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:32.519
This is a, this is another thing that I'm, like, we were talking

811
00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:37.079
about, like, Santaran's meat are meant to be funny. obviously cast

812
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:39.420
Mike from the young ones because they're like, well, they're going

813
00:36:39.420 --> 00:36:39.840
to be funny.

814
00:36:39.900 --> 00:36:41.460
Like, Santarans are funny.

815
00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:44.519
We'll cast a couple of funny actors to play this on Taraans.

816
00:36:44.579 --> 00:36:48.059
And then Helen Rayner gives them nothing to do.

817
00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:52.500
But also, you know, I've read that Russell T. Davis book where he

818
00:36:52.500 --> 00:36:53.639
rewrites everyone's script.

819
00:36:53.699 --> 00:36:55.739
So he also gave them nothing to do.

820
00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:57.599
In the rewrite.

821
00:36:57.659 --> 00:37:00.900
Chris Ryan there does give wonderful Santar and side eye.

822
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:01.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

823
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:03.119
His performance is great.

824
00:37:03.179 --> 00:37:06.179
Like, rolling his R's like a crazy person.

825
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:07.980
Like, I'm in the military.

826
00:37:08.699 --> 00:37:12.539
And Dan Starkey is amazingly kind of low-key.

827
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:16.440
I had to kind of, you know, he's little sort of cute gap 2 thing

828
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:19.739
going, which is very sweet, but he's nothing at all like, come

829
00:37:19.739 --> 00:37:20.280
distracts.

830
00:37:20.340 --> 00:37:24.300
Oh, yeah, his tracks is insanely stupid.

831
00:37:24.420 --> 00:37:25.019
Yeah.

832
00:37:25.019 --> 00:37:25.800
It's a...

833
00:37:25.860 --> 00:37:26.519
I love...

834
00:37:26.579 --> 00:37:27.599
I mean I love that performance.

835
00:37:27.659 --> 00:37:30.059
If you're going to have Son Torrens, let's let's do strikes.

836
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:30.960
That's kind of better.

837
00:37:31.019 --> 00:37:35.519
To give them this story because we ended up...

838
00:37:35.579 --> 00:37:36.239
Yeah, yeah.

839
00:37:36.300 --> 00:37:41.400
And, you know, like I think that Chris Ryan got to be funny in

840
00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:42.420
Mind Warp.

841
00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:43.260
Oh, yeah.

842
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:45.719
Which is pretty much the same performance.

843
00:37:45.780 --> 00:37:46.019
Oh yeah.

844
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:47.099
No, no, I don't think...

845
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:49.800
But mind warp didn't feel like it was, it warranted the kind of

846
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:54.000
over the topness that, I mean, you, why are you going to fight

847
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:54.900
with Brian Blessard?

848
00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:57.539
take an opposing view.

849
00:37:57.780 --> 00:38:00.000
Oh, Brian, blessings there.

850
00:38:00.059 --> 00:38:01.559
Oh, less there's more here.

851
00:38:01.619 --> 00:38:04.380
But I mean, you know, what's he going to do?

852
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:06.900
He's sort of trapped in a sort of giant rubber slant kind of

853
00:38:06.900 --> 00:38:07.139
stuff.

854
00:38:07.500 --> 00:38:08.940
Yeah.

855
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:12.539
I mean, it's like, because if you watch the young ones, He's gone

856
00:38:12.539 --> 00:38:16.800
oh, I'm surrounded by 3 huge giant hams.

857
00:38:16.860 --> 00:38:21.420
My instinct as an actor is to downplay now.

858
00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:24.300
I'm just saying instinct he brought to absolutely fabulous.

859
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:26.760
Yeah, yeah, say, exactly.

860
00:38:26.820 --> 00:38:29.820
Well, because he's up against 3 giant hands.

861
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:31.079
Yeah, 3 giant hams.

862
00:38:31.139 --> 00:38:34.739
So he's like, I'll just, I'm going to have these hilariously

863
00:38:34.739 --> 00:38:37.199
written lines and I'm going to deliver them as if they're not

864
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:37.559
funny.

865
00:38:37.619 --> 00:38:40.139
And which kind of makes them even funnier.

866
00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:43.800
Like we had to do, someone did the young ones is a topic on hard

867
00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:44.340
quiz.

868
00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:47.760
And so I ended up watching a lot of it and going, oh, his

869
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:51.300
performance is actually really like, he's got some of the best

870
00:38:51.300 --> 00:38:54.659
lines in the show and he's just underplaying them so beautifully

871
00:38:54.659 --> 00:38:57.719
so that by the 3rd or 4th watching, like, you know, people

872
00:38:57.719 --> 00:38:59.340
obsessively watch things like the young ones.

873
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:03.239
You're like, oh, his lines are really funny, but because he's not

874
00:39:03.239 --> 00:39:07.800
showboating like everyone else, you get the time to kind of really

875
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:08.639
chew over them.

876
00:39:08.699 --> 00:39:13.800
So yeah, it's, in this one, I feel like he's, he's been given all

877
00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:17.099
this dialogue and he's overselling it and it's like, you've got

878
00:39:17.099 --> 00:39:18.059
nothing to work with, mate.

879
00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:19.679
I'm sorry I can't agree with that.

880
00:39:19.739 --> 00:39:21.960
At least the new series, Kevin Lindsay.

881
00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:25.860
Kevin Lindsay makes links.

882
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:27.539
Yes, magnetic.

883
00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:30.360
I think that Chris Ryan does the same with style.

884
00:39:30.420 --> 00:39:32.579
Every scene that Stahl is in, you're looking at him.

885
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:36.119
And he does a really great job of the character, which I think on

886
00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:37.500
the page is actually not up to much.

887
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:38.460
That's what I mean.

888
00:39:38.579 --> 00:39:40.559
Like he's really, he's chewing through the scenery.

889
00:39:40.619 --> 00:39:42.599
But like he's got nothing to work with.

890
00:39:42.659 --> 00:39:45.480
Like, it's like, it's almost like they've cast him and they've

891
00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:48.960
gone, he's going to be great and it's like, we don't, we don't

892
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:49.860
need to write anything for him.

893
00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:53.400
Yeah, but it would be nice. for him to have better dialogue.

894
00:39:53.460 --> 00:39:57.179
Well, that very long scene, a very long interminable scene where

895
00:39:57.179 --> 00:40:00.900
the 2 unit soldiers are confronted by style when they find the

896
00:40:00.900 --> 00:40:02.460
coffins with the liquid in them.

897
00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:04.320
And he's very funny in that.

898
00:40:04.380 --> 00:40:06.480
You know, I must reach you a 7 out of 10.

899
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:08.880
Okay, he says, he's Todd, then.

900
00:40:08.940 --> 00:40:09.719
And he's great.

901
00:40:09.780 --> 00:40:13.320
And the rest of that scene is really internally dull, but you put

902
00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:14.579
him into it and it comes live.

903
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:17.880
Oh, and the, oh, mate, in the bath.

904
00:40:17.940 --> 00:40:21.539
Like, again, a whole plot line that we could have probably done

905
00:40:21.539 --> 00:40:21.960
without.

906
00:40:22.019 --> 00:40:23.579
Yeah, so I think...

907
00:40:23.579 --> 00:40:27.539
If you got rid of fake Martha, you'd have a, like, you'd have a

908
00:40:27.539 --> 00:40:29.039
nice decent single part episode.

909
00:40:29.099 --> 00:40:34.139
So we want to do cloning because that's a thing that Santarans do

910
00:40:34.139 --> 00:40:36.659
even though it's only ever been done in dialogue before.

911
00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:40.019
So it's like, well, let's show them doing cloning to make them

912
00:40:40.019 --> 00:40:43.139
have some interesting feature or something.

913
00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:46.139
But again, it is just kind of.

914
00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:48.780
But that's the, that's like the weird thing where they go, okay

915
00:40:48.780 --> 00:40:51.900
we're going to have the people in the factory be hypnotised, like

916
00:40:51.900 --> 00:40:56.099
the, the scientists in the Time Warrior instead of B clones

917
00:40:56.099 --> 00:41:01.619
because we don't want to pull the tag on the fact that this entire

918
00:41:01.619 --> 00:41:04.619
plot in the 2nd episode turns out to be about making clones.

919
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:05.699
Yeah.

920
00:41:05.699 --> 00:41:07.019
But will make one clone.

921
00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:09.239
But the hypnotism goes nowhere.

922
00:41:09.300 --> 00:41:12.179
The cloning goes nowhere and you're left with nothing.

923
00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:12.719
Yeah.

924
00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:15.239
It's almost like you're saying this plot is half baked.

925
00:41:15.300 --> 00:41:17.039
Some might say like a potato.

926
00:41:17.099 --> 00:41:18.059
Like a potato.

927
00:41:18.059 --> 00:41:19.800
Underdone potato.

928
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:24.719
I suppose it's better baked than mash.

929
00:41:25.260 --> 00:41:27.599
I'd rather if it was roasted.

930
00:41:27.659 --> 00:41:30.420
That's what happened to Styre at the end of...

931
00:41:30.420 --> 00:41:31.260
Mashed potato.

932
00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:35.400
Can I also say, did anyone else raise an eyebrow when, sorry, I'm

933
00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:37.980
getting a little bit ahead of myself, but Stahl says, we have the

934
00:41:37.980 --> 00:41:39.059
doctor's TARDIS.

935
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:41.159
The 1st time we've ever had a time travel machine.

936
00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:43.860
And you think, well, you really did muck up your invasion of gala

937
00:41:43.860 --> 00:41:44.460
friends.

938
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:47.699
Also, they travel in time.

939
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:49.320
Like that's part of their whole thing.

940
00:41:49.380 --> 00:41:52.019
And also, like them being kept out of the time war was weird.

941
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:54.000
Like, I didn't understand what that line was about.

942
00:41:54.059 --> 00:41:56.820
Yeah, the greatest war in history and we weren't invited.

943
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:03.059
I hate how they ruin Bob Holmes's thorax joke.

944
00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:03.719
Oh yeah.

945
00:42:03.780 --> 00:42:07.739
So that is clearly, oh, look, Elise Layton has tits.

946
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:08.820
Do you know what I mean?

947
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:10.619
The thorax is a different construction.

948
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:15.119
And I think it's sort of played like Kevin Lindsay has got his

949
00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:19.920
hand on her neck as if that's her thorax because we didn't want to

950
00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:22.320
kind of make that subtext very obvious.

951
00:42:22.380 --> 00:42:26.039
And then we throw away the thorax line here by, you know, Dan

952
00:42:26.039 --> 00:42:29.340
Starkey gets to say it and it's kind of dumb and no one gets why

953
00:42:29.340 --> 00:42:30.659
that joke's funny, I think.

954
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:36.179
Why was the season 12 production team shying away from Menace?

955
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:38.159
Slayton at that point.

956
00:42:38.219 --> 00:42:38.820
I don't know.

957
00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:44.159
Not like they didn't, like, before and after that, like, 2 more

958
00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:44.579
seasons.

959
00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:48.239
Well, she was it was her 1st story and she was meant to be the

960
00:42:48.239 --> 00:42:49.199
women's lib character.

961
00:42:49.260 --> 00:42:50.820
So they're like, well, let's not grab her on the boot.

962
00:42:51.179 --> 00:42:54.539
That was their one concession towards his liberation.

963
00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:55.619
Yeah, it was a version.

964
00:42:55.739 --> 00:42:57.780
She's got a job and we won't grab her on the boob.

965
00:42:57.840 --> 00:42:59.039
That's our women's liberation.

966
00:42:59.099 --> 00:43:01.559
Why are the Santarin sexist here?

967
00:43:01.619 --> 00:43:05.820
Star is constantly talking about how terrible women are or this is

968
00:43:05.820 --> 00:43:08.940
a thing fit only for women or, you know, like why are they

969
00:43:08.940 --> 00:43:09.300
sexist?

970
00:43:09.420 --> 00:43:13.860
Well, I think that's, again, the military thing coming in, but I

971
00:43:13.860 --> 00:43:16.980
feel like the, I don't know, you've got female military officers

972
00:43:16.980 --> 00:43:20.880
but that felt like a direction choice or a casting choice as

973
00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:22.199
opposed to anything being written.

974
00:43:22.260 --> 00:43:26.820
Oh, except for the kiss at the end of the next episode.

975
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:29.219
But how much more interesting if they'd both been women?

976
00:43:29.219 --> 00:43:29.880
Yeah.

977
00:43:29.940 --> 00:43:32.460
If it had been Mike Yates kissing the brigadier at the end of the

978
00:43:32.460 --> 00:43:32.579
day.

979
00:43:32.579 --> 00:43:34.739
He's introduced to female Santarin.

980
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:36.539
I mean how interesting would that have been?

981
00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:39.119
I have to think there's so many jokes about that, having there?

982
00:43:39.179 --> 00:43:41.159
Or am I just thinking of big finish where they talked about it?

983
00:43:41.219 --> 00:43:41.940
I think that's big finish.

984
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:46.019
It's always gags about females on Torres.

985
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:49.619
But I have to think there's something going on there because it's

986
00:43:49.619 --> 00:43:50.639
a female writer.

987
00:43:50.699 --> 00:43:53.340
I don't think you'd be defaulting to that with someone like Helen

988
00:43:53.340 --> 00:43:54.059
at the helm.

989
00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:57.179
So it's meant to be making a point, which is, I don't know, not

990
00:43:57.179 --> 00:43:58.139
appearing.

991
00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:01.019
Is it just throwing another sort of nasty characteristic at our

992
00:44:01.019 --> 00:44:01.619
alien?

993
00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:04.920
So we feel less bad when they get blown up next week.

994
00:44:04.980 --> 00:44:08.880
You kind of read the original kind of joke.

995
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:10.739
Yeah, or line.

996
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:15.480
Um, as the, the, the, the, is not necessarily being misogynist.

997
00:44:15.539 --> 00:44:17.340
They just don't understand.

998
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:19.019
Well, they don't have one.

999
00:44:19.019 --> 00:44:19.860
Because that's their clients.

1000
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:25.019
And that would have been a much more interesting way of playing

1001
00:44:25.019 --> 00:44:25.260
that.

1002
00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:29.219
Yeah, no, I think he even says, does he say you have a sort of 2

1003
00:44:29.219 --> 00:44:33.659
gender system and it's very inefficient and you should get rid of

1004
00:44:33.659 --> 00:44:34.380
it or something?

1005
00:44:34.380 --> 00:44:35.940
Like he doesn't even know about sex?

1006
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:39.300
But style has sort of bracing opinions about the inferiority of

1007
00:44:39.300 --> 00:44:41.099
women for no reason at all.

1008
00:44:41.219 --> 00:44:42.000
Just seems very strange.

1009
00:44:42.059 --> 00:44:45.659
Maybe links made a report on Meg the serving wench and they take

1010
00:44:45.659 --> 00:44:46.679
it.

1011
00:44:47.579 --> 00:44:50.699
Although all that time he had Sarah chained up.

1012
00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:55.739
It's yeah, I don't know.

1013
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:58.619
It's there's a lot of stuff to like in this episode.

1014
00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:01.440
Like, there are some fun things, but...

1015
00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:03.420
But in spite of the story.

1016
00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:07.500
Yeah, like, you know, David Tennant gets kind of pushed to the

1017
00:45:07.500 --> 00:45:10.559
side a little bit, so we don't have to see too much of him gurning

1018
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:15.420
and carrying on, but it's still, but you know, I think that's a

1019
00:45:15.420 --> 00:45:18.300
bad thing for the episode because as much as David's not one of my

1020
00:45:18.300 --> 00:45:19.079
favourite doctors.

1021
00:45:19.139 --> 00:45:21.239
He was incredibly popular.

1022
00:45:21.300 --> 00:45:24.780
Any episode where you're pushing your leading man who the audience

1023
00:45:24.780 --> 00:45:26.880
loves to the side, you've got to question that.

1024
00:45:26.940 --> 00:45:27.659
Yeah.

1025
00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:28.980
He was very popular.

1026
00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:30.659
And Donna...

1027
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:33.420
Well, Donna, I loved and she, you know, no one gets anything to

1028
00:45:33.420 --> 00:45:33.599
do.

1029
00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:34.920
This episode.

1030
00:45:34.980 --> 00:45:38.639
And like all the guy that's that they've brought in is, you know

1031
00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:39.659
the faux brigadier.

1032
00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:40.980
You're like, why?

1033
00:45:40.980 --> 00:45:41.940
Let's talk about him next week.

1034
00:45:42.000 --> 00:46:15.119
I've got lots to say Well, eliter, it looks like we're going to be

1035
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:18.059
trapped in this car for the next week, but we should be free by

1036
00:46:18.059 --> 00:46:20.940
Sunday in time to contend with the poison sky.

1037
00:46:21.179 --> 00:46:24.780
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts

1038
00:46:24.780 --> 00:46:27.780
and you can keep up with us at Flightthrough Entirety on Facebook

1039
00:46:27.780 --> 00:46:31.380
at FTE Podcast on Twitter, and on our website, Flightthrough

1040
00:46:31.380 --> 00:46:34.380
Entirety.com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts

1041
00:46:34.380 --> 00:46:36.840
Bondfinger, and Jody into Terror.

1042
00:46:36.900 --> 00:46:38.940
Where can people find you, Adam?

1043
00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:41.280
Uh, Adamritchard.com.au.

1044
00:46:41.340 --> 00:46:41.880
There you go.

1045
00:46:41.940 --> 00:46:43.440
Everything goes there.

1046
00:46:43.500 --> 00:46:44.099
Brilliant.

1047
00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:47.280
So until next time, please try and get some sleep.

1048
00:46:47.340 --> 00:46:50.940
Working 24 hours a day is clearly very bad for the heart.

1049
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:53.219
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1050
00:46:53.340 --> 00:46:54.000
Good night.

1051
00:46:54.059 --> 00:46:54.719
See ya.

1052
00:46:54.780 --> 00:46:55.260
Good night.

1053
00:46:57.059 --> 00:47:01.019
That was Flight through Entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, Peter

1054
00:47:01.019 --> 00:47:03.480
Griffiths, Adam Richard, and James Selwood.

1055
00:47:03.539 --> 00:47:06.480
Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, Strings performance by Jane

1056
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:07.320
Orberg.

1057
00:47:07.380 --> 00:47:11.099
This episode, crossed that off the whiteboard, was recorded on the

1058
00:47:11.099 --> 00:47:14.159
8th of February 2020 and released on the 5th of April.

1059
00:47:17.219 --> 00:47:20.039
If you're in lockdown, join us later this month for our

1060
00:47:20.039 --> 00:47:22.860
simultaneous viewing of the Santaran stratagem.

1061
00:47:22.980 --> 00:47:26.579
Time to coincide with the 12th anniversary of its 1st broadcast.

1062
00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:30.000
We'll be tweeting on the hashtag, which one was this again?

1063
00:47:30.780 --> 00:47:35.760
Okay, let's end, like, but with that lead into next week, because

1064
00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:38.820
we are going to struggle to fill an episode.

1065
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:40.320
No, we're not.

1066
00:47:40.380 --> 00:47:41.400
Alright.

1067
00:47:41.460 --> 00:47:41.760
Okay.

1068
00:47:41.820 --> 00:47:42.900
Let me close it.

1069
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:45.179
That was really...

1070
00:47:45.179 --> 00:47:45.960
Yeah.

1071
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:47.940
It's the negative we've ever been, I think.

1072
00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:49.199
Well, negative for a while.

1073
00:47:49.260 --> 00:47:50.460
We have been negative before.

1074
00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:52.199
I yelled about the massacre.

1075
00:47:52.260 --> 00:47:52.860
You should have heard it.

1076
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:54.300
Because I tend to love everything.

1077
00:47:54.659 --> 00:47:57.480
So do I, but I just, I don't know.

1078
00:47:57.539 --> 00:48:01.199
It's the disappointment of boredom It's like, why didn't you do

1079
00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:01.920
something with this?

1080
00:48:01.980 --> 00:48:05.280
Put their mic up, just in case it ends up being tagged.

1081
00:48:05.340 --> 00:48:07.199
It's the disappointment of boredom.

1082
00:48:07.260 --> 00:48:09.539
You sort of sit there and think, there's plenty here.

1083
00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:10.559
Why didn't you do something?

1084
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:12.300
I've been on board for that.

1085
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:14.039
I wouldn't just want to do the ironing to it.

1086
00:48:14.099 --> 00:48:16.800
I'd want to sit and watch it, but this is the ultimate do the

1087
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:17.699
ironing episode.

1088
00:48:17.820 --> 00:48:18.239
Yeah.

1089
00:48:18.300 --> 00:48:20.940
All right, let me do an outro and then we'll do the next thing.

1090
00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:24.780
Well, dear listener, it looks like we're going to be trapped in

1091
00:48:24.780 --> 00:48:25.800
this car for the next week.