WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 14:36:15 1 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:45.780 Hello, De Lister, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast that also functions as a subbranch of the Helen Rainer Fan Club. 2 00:00:45.780 --> 00:00:47.460 I'm chapter vice president. 3 00:00:47.520 --> 00:00:48.899 I'm Nathan. 4 00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:50.579 I'm James I'm Peter. 5 00:00:50.640 --> 00:00:51.539 And I'm Adam. 6 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:59.039 Well, we're back on Planet Earth in the present day and it looks like we're just in time to foil a terrible attack from some alien war potatoes. 7 00:00:59.100 --> 00:01:04.859 But in order to do that, 1st we'll need to find out a bit more about the Santarin strategy. 8 00:01:16.920 --> 00:01:25.019 Okay, so this is an early season 2 passer in the RTD era, which means that, what, everyone hates it. 9 00:01:28.079 --> 00:01:29.819 Is that the rule? 10 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:31.079 I think it is the rule. 11 00:01:31.200 --> 00:01:31.859 Is that the rule? 12 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:34.739 So what hang on, refresh my memory. 13 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:36.599 We've had the oh, with the farting aliens. 14 00:01:36.719 --> 00:01:38.459 Yeah, which was new and fresh. 15 00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:39.420 Which I adore. 16 00:01:39.480 --> 00:01:40.439 Amazing. 17 00:01:40.500 --> 00:01:46.799 And, you know, manages to be about the Iraq war and sort of neoliberalism killing us all. 18 00:01:46.859 --> 00:01:51.900 That whole 1st RTD season is like layered with double meanings. 19 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:58.859 And then he just was, I don't have time to write subtext anymore. 13 episodes of a show to pump out. 20 00:01:58.920 --> 00:02:02.099 No, it is because it's the thing that's been on his shelf. 21 00:02:02.159 --> 00:02:03.299 Yeah, such a long time. 22 00:02:03.359 --> 00:02:06.359 And so that story is incredible, I think. 23 00:02:06.420 --> 00:02:08.099 And you never know where it's going to go. 24 00:02:08.159 --> 00:02:09.419 It's absolutely fresh. 25 00:02:09.479 --> 00:02:12.780 But people hate it because it's got farting aliens. 26 00:02:12.780 --> 00:02:13.500 With zips in there. 27 00:02:13.560 --> 00:02:15.060 Yeah, yeah, and they want Doctor Who to be serious. 28 00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:19.379 And isn't wonderfully directed by Keith Bow and that... 29 00:02:19.379 --> 00:02:20.520 No, who insisted on... 30 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:31.500 I mean, I think now, in hindsight, his insistence on having rubber suits as opposed to the CGI aliens was correct, because the CGI aliens are a little... 31 00:02:31.560 --> 00:02:33.240 But no one knows how to shoot it. 32 00:02:33.300 --> 00:02:36.000 You know, like they had Graham Harper on the shelf. 33 00:02:36.060 --> 00:02:37.439 They could have got him out to do it. 34 00:02:37.620 --> 00:02:38.580 But, you know, they didn't. 35 00:02:38.699 --> 00:02:42.479 And then the following year we have Rise of the Cybermen Age of Steel. 36 00:02:42.539 --> 00:02:44.879 Oh, that was the 2nd season one. 37 00:02:44.939 --> 00:02:45.539 Yeah. 38 00:02:45.539 --> 00:02:48.180 And of course, that has a lot to say because it is the Saideman. 39 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:54.840 Simon have a storied history in Doctor Who, and so you can look at where they came from and what they mean. 40 00:02:54.900 --> 00:02:56.039 There's a lot in there. 41 00:02:56.460 --> 00:02:58.979 Russell reinvents them. 42 00:02:59.039 --> 00:03:11.219 You know, he gives some fabulous kind of parallel world acting, like Liz Shaw got in Inferno, but instead gives it to Camille Kajuri, which is unbelievably great. 43 00:03:11.280 --> 00:03:12.479 She's hilarious. 44 00:03:12.539 --> 00:03:18.659 We kill the Prime Minister of Great Britain for the 2nd year in a row. 45 00:03:18.719 --> 00:03:21.360 So it really has quite a lot going for it. 46 00:03:21.419 --> 00:03:24.840 And then last year we had Helen Rainer do... 47 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:27.900 Oh, the Daleks in the Daleks. 48 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:30.240 That looks better in the rearview mirror, doesn't it? 49 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:41.039 So, again, that's really not very well liked, but I think that we decided last year that had a reasonable amount going for it, at least in the kind of... 50 00:03:41.039 --> 00:03:42.240 It's called Andrew Garfield. 51 00:03:42.300 --> 00:03:43.199 Yeah, yeah. 52 00:03:43.259 --> 00:03:43.740 Well, that's right. 53 00:03:43.740 --> 00:03:46.620 There's a lot of good ingredients in Daleks in Manhattan. 54 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:48.599 And I think maybe it's a story of 2 halves. 55 00:03:48.659 --> 00:03:51.900 The 1st episode's actually pretty good. 2nd episode's actually pretty bad. 56 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:54.719 You liked the Daleks a lot. 57 00:03:54.780 --> 00:03:56.280 That was that too part. 58 00:03:56.340 --> 00:03:59.219 It was Richard's favourite one of that season. 59 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:04.199 Yeah, just because of the setting and the musical numbers and Tallula and all of that. 60 00:04:04.259 --> 00:04:06.780 And the gorgeous sort of art deco aesthetic. 61 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:09.960 Yeah, yeah. there's, you know, there's sewers. 62 00:04:10.020 --> 00:04:13.199 When Doctor Who is in sewers, it's always good fun. 63 00:04:13.259 --> 00:04:13.979 That's right. 64 00:04:13.979 --> 00:04:16.319 Pick faith aliens. 65 00:04:16.379 --> 00:04:18.000 Aesthetic counts for a lot. 66 00:04:18.060 --> 00:04:19.439 What's missing this year? 67 00:04:19.500 --> 00:04:21.360 Aesthetic of any kind. 68 00:04:21.420 --> 00:04:30.300 So we're in one of sort of Ed Thomas's factories, this time subbing out as a factory rather than a sort of alien spaceship. 69 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:32.939 Like, I don't think this one is well liked. 70 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:39.120 And like I'm kind of reluctant to say that it's got nothing going for it, but it is a little bit... 71 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:43.620 It's like a piece of celery that looks really nice. 72 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:47.160 And you pick it up and you go, this is a bit limp. 73 00:04:47.220 --> 00:04:49.379 And then you put it on your lapel. 74 00:04:50.100 --> 00:04:57.000 You could put it into Bloody Mary and hope no one bit into it and discovered that it was limp. 75 00:05:00.060 --> 00:05:02.699 You put it on your lapel, like you wouldn't put a limp one there. 76 00:05:02.759 --> 00:05:04.620 It would be obvious that it was limp. 77 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:07.379 They dip throughout the early 80s. 78 00:05:07.439 --> 00:05:07.980 Oh, I know. 79 00:05:08.040 --> 00:05:11.279 But I think just went limp under the hot studio lights. 80 00:05:11.339 --> 00:05:13.740 I'm sure the 1st take, it looked amazing. 81 00:05:15.060 --> 00:05:20.459 So this is the return of subtext to the Flight to Entirety after a long absence. 82 00:05:29.519 --> 00:05:34.199 And I think that's the problem is that this isn't particularly well liked, but it's not particularly anything. 83 00:05:34.259 --> 00:05:35.699 No, I don't hate it. 84 00:05:35.759 --> 00:05:36.720 They don't love it. 85 00:05:36.779 --> 00:05:43.079 And in fact, I was speaking to friend of the podcast, Stuart Manning about this story because I couldn't quite nail down what I thought about it. 86 00:05:43.139 --> 00:05:51.060 And he said that he thinks it's what detractors of RTD's era think the era was, even though it wasn't. 87 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:58.500 Yeah See, the other thing that you get is that people say that it's like a Sarah Jane Adventures episode, and you've got, you know, the Loop. 88 00:05:58.500 --> 00:05:59.160 Like that's an insult. 89 00:05:59.220 --> 00:06:00.060 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 90 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:01.860 Sarah Jane Adventures was the best. 91 00:06:02.699 --> 00:06:06.180 They had a cliffhanger every 2nd episode. 92 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:08.879 It's, it was the best idea ever. 93 00:06:08.939 --> 00:06:11.339 It's really, really fun too. 94 00:06:11.399 --> 00:06:15.480 And like there were times I think that it was more fun than the parent show. 95 00:06:15.540 --> 00:06:26.579 And it was really kind of inventive, but it's kind of go to was there's a sort of consumer electronics device or some kind of thing that is suspicious. 96 00:06:26.639 --> 00:06:32.939 We have to go to the factory where it's created to investigate and we discover that, uh, yeah, that it's alien. 97 00:06:32.939 --> 00:06:33.899 Or, or, you know. 98 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:35.459 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 99 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:37.560 So it's terror of the autons every week. 100 00:06:37.680 --> 00:06:39.480 Yeah, or the invasion. 101 00:06:39.540 --> 00:06:40.740 Yeah, a problem for me. 102 00:06:40.800 --> 00:06:41.879 I love that too. 103 00:06:41.939 --> 00:06:45.120 What was the name of that juice in the opening Sarah Jane? 104 00:06:45.180 --> 00:06:45.899 Yeah, bubble shot? 105 00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:46.680 Bubble shot? 106 00:06:46.740 --> 00:06:50.100 But your man, Torrens invade via bubble shot. 107 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:54.899 So like, I don't think that that's a terrible story to do. 108 00:06:54.959 --> 00:07:01.019 And it's the 2nd one this year because we've had adipose industries pills in the 1st episode. 109 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:03.660 So we are going sort of back to it. 110 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:09.120 But I kind of get the idea that we want a variety of things. 111 00:07:09.180 --> 00:07:12.779 You know, the reason that a Doctor Who movie never works is because there's just one of it. 112 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:13.500 Yes. 113 00:07:13.500 --> 00:07:18.120 And Doctor Who goes over 13 weeks and each of the weeks has a kind of different tone. 114 00:07:18.180 --> 00:07:24.360 And so, you know, I think it's right to have this sort of story up front, but I just think this one is perhaps not very well done. 115 00:07:24.420 --> 00:07:26.639 I think, you know what? 116 00:07:26.699 --> 00:07:42.839 This is one of those, and it happens a lot with, you know, Star Wars movies now or Marvel movies where sometimes all you can see is the whiteboard in the office with all of the dot points on it. and you're like, could you not have been a bit more creative with the list? 117 00:07:43.259 --> 00:07:54.180 Like, I want Martha, and I want some young guru that's got a website, and I'll need unit, and I'll need Santarans, and a scary GPS. 118 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:56.759 Oh, and maybe make the muffler on your car, be diddly. 119 00:07:56.819 --> 00:07:58.980 Yeah, I want all of that and Donna's parents. 120 00:07:58.980 --> 00:08:04.199 And also, like, and once you've written all those things, you're like, well, there's no room. 121 00:08:04.259 --> 00:08:05.699 Oh, and clones, we need clones. 122 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:06.120 Yeah. 123 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:07.860 Yeah. 124 00:08:07.860 --> 00:08:13.439 In the original version of the draft outline of the story, whole of the factory was clones. 125 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:14.579 Yes, I read that. 126 00:08:14.639 --> 00:08:17.339 And then they became hypnotised. 127 00:08:17.459 --> 00:08:18.360 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 128 00:08:18.420 --> 00:08:24.839 You know, that bit, for this episode, and we'll talk next week about the poison sky and what that has to say. 129 00:08:24.899 --> 00:08:31.019 It actually edges close to actually being about something for a 2nd and then shies away from it. 130 00:08:31.079 --> 00:08:43.320 And it's the usual thing where Donna is horrified by an army raid on a factory to check kind of illegal aliens working in the factory. 131 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:51.299 And so she goes to a kind of reflexive, compassionate and sort of left wing response to what's going on. 132 00:08:51.480 --> 00:08:59.039 And then Martha interviews that guy, who is from Poland, I guess. 133 00:08:59.100 --> 00:09:05.279 So it's almost like they're, yeah, like you say, they're edging towards trying to comment on something and they're not doing anything about it. 134 00:09:05.340 --> 00:09:05.940 No. 135 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:18.120 So is the idea that we're thinking about the way that people who are brought in on particular visas or who are here illegally are kind of forced to are kind of dehumanised. 136 00:09:18.179 --> 00:09:22.080 Although, I mean, was this this would have been after Poland entered the EU. 137 00:09:22.139 --> 00:09:22.620 Yeah, yeah. 138 00:09:22.740 --> 00:09:23.940 They're allowed. 139 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:24.840 They're allowed. 140 00:09:24.899 --> 00:09:26.639 They're allowed to wander over and do what they feel like. 141 00:09:26.700 --> 00:09:29.340 But not as far as Brexeter is there. 142 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:31.080 No, and now they're not allowed. 143 00:09:31.139 --> 00:09:31.980 Yeah, yeah. 144 00:09:31.980 --> 00:09:39.539 So they're dehumanised for the sake of, you know, because they aren't able to access their rights or something. 145 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:44.460 But that's basically 2 scenes and I'm really stretching it a bit. 146 00:09:44.519 --> 00:09:47.399 Yeah, they just crossed that off the whiteboard and gone, right, that seems in there, we're done. 147 00:09:47.460 --> 00:09:52.980 But I think that's the problem when we were talking earlier about the fact that we've already done this type of story this season with partners in crime. 148 00:09:53.039 --> 00:09:57.840 There's a Russell formula and it's why people think the Russell seasons are like this. 149 00:09:57.899 --> 00:10:00.659 Russell gets it right every time because he can do it. 150 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:07.679 He brings lightness and he can look at that kind of whiteboard and assemble things and make everything organic to each other. 151 00:10:07.740 --> 00:10:09.899 I think whenever other writers tries to do it. 152 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:16.620 It doesn't work, which is why Helen, and I'm not having a particular go at her, couldn't quite get it to happen last year on the Dalek 2 parter. 153 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:28.379 It doesn't happen here, and it doesn't happen when Chris... ultimate irony that the script editor of the show is the one whose scripts need the most editing and no one has bothered to do that. 154 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:30.240 Like these 2 episodes. 155 00:10:30.299 --> 00:10:31.139 Someone should have gone. 156 00:10:31.620 --> 00:10:32.279 Do we know that, though? 157 00:10:32.340 --> 00:10:34.559 Well, I mean, he had a pass at it. 158 00:10:34.620 --> 00:10:50.279 Russell rewrote it, but like if you got rid of the whole Radigan business and his weird red hoodie cult, which adds nothing to the episode, other than a gurning, annoying performance, by someone who's older than a child actor, but not behaving like one. 159 00:10:50.340 --> 00:10:53.279 Uh, like it does nothing. 160 00:10:53.340 --> 00:11:00.539 All he's there for is to be a sacrificial lamb in the next episode. 161 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:03.360 So he does he has no function in this episode whatsoever. 162 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:04.679 He's literally a plot device. 163 00:11:04.799 --> 00:11:06.779 Yeah, he's a he's a McGuffin. 164 00:11:06.899 --> 00:11:08.279 Human McGuffin. 165 00:11:08.340 --> 00:11:12.059 Like, are we saying something about startup culture or something? 166 00:11:12.120 --> 00:11:12.240 No. 167 00:11:12.779 --> 00:11:15.720 No, you know, like it's too kind of... 168 00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:16.980 Did he invent the Atmos? 169 00:11:17.039 --> 00:11:18.299 Is that is that what's going on? 170 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:20.279 Like that is barely mentioned. 171 00:11:20.340 --> 00:11:24.299 Yeah, there's like a one... at the factory. 172 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:26.039 Like if that's his business. 173 00:11:26.100 --> 00:11:27.419 Why isn't he there? 174 00:11:27.480 --> 00:11:31.679 And also, can someone clarify for me what the link was between the GPS and the Atmos? 175 00:11:31.740 --> 00:11:32.580 Yeah. 176 00:11:32.639 --> 00:11:35.460 That was a last minute thing, apparently, in the script. 177 00:11:35.519 --> 00:11:43.440 It was always meant to be about the emissions. and then they went, Russell was like, oh, I've always had this idea about a deadly GPS. 178 00:11:43.500 --> 00:11:45.000 Let's have it be a package. 179 00:11:45.059 --> 00:11:48.299 That thing, right, at the start, this is your final destination. 180 00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:51.539 I mean, that smacked very much of a Bob Baker and Dave Martin. 181 00:11:51.600 --> 00:11:54.179 Let's make up the slogan and then craft a plotter. 182 00:11:54.299 --> 00:11:57.179 And this is this is saying so much. 183 00:11:57.240 --> 00:11:57.899 That works better. 184 00:11:57.960 --> 00:12:00.720 That works better in SpyFall. 185 00:12:00.779 --> 00:12:01.740 Yes. 186 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:04.500 Although the opening scene is great. 187 00:12:04.559 --> 00:12:19.980 Like, even Murray Gold, who sometimes, you know, gives me the creeping heebie-jeebies, is channelling Bernard Herman in this beautiful opening moment where the car is driving towards the water and she kind of, it's like you're like, 0 my god, this is great. 188 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:21.299 This is going to be a really good episode. 189 00:12:21.360 --> 00:12:22.080 This is... 190 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:23.039 We know a mansion. 191 00:12:23.100 --> 00:12:26.940 Yeah, it's in purple for some reason. 192 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:29.399 Yes, I know, and everyone's got a red hoodie. 193 00:12:29.519 --> 00:12:31.259 Like it's really evocative. 194 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:33.720 Like you think, oh, something creepy is happening here. 195 00:12:33.779 --> 00:12:35.700 Something amazing is going to happen in this episode. 196 00:12:35.820 --> 00:12:37.440 And then none of it plays out. 197 00:12:37.559 --> 00:12:45.960 Like, it all just sort of goes, eh, though, for an episode that's so saturated in colour. very beige. 198 00:12:46.019 --> 00:12:47.940 Well, see, this is my thing. 199 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:57.179 I know a lot of people like to blame Helen Rayner for the writing, but I actually think it's Douglas McKinnon, who is one of those bloodless directors the show has ever had. 200 00:12:57.240 --> 00:13:05.100 Like, it's kind of like the only scene that is really interesting is, uh, is in the next episode. 201 00:13:05.159 --> 00:13:15.299 But, you know, I tried to watch his good omens, which I found frustratingly annoying and indulgent, like just letting people do whatever they felt like. 202 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:22.139 It's almost like he turns the cameras on and wanders away and says, yeah, yeah, they'll sort that out and we'll fix it in the edit. 203 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:26.820 Like, I feel like he's not actually there. as a director. 204 00:13:27.059 --> 00:13:38.580 I think that there is at least one sequence here where I think that the actors are really killing it and that is Donna's return home. 205 00:13:38.639 --> 00:13:39.600 Oh, yeah. 206 00:13:39.659 --> 00:13:42.000 But you've got 3 amazing actors. 207 00:13:42.059 --> 00:13:43.980 Like, you don't need a director for those three. 208 00:13:44.039 --> 00:13:44.639 No. 209 00:13:44.700 --> 00:13:49.080 And I think that that's absolutely the best thing about this episode. 210 00:13:49.139 --> 00:13:57.179 And the way it starts, you know, one of the things that happens all the time, and it doesn't seem to affect tenant's performance the way it should. 211 00:13:57.240 --> 00:14:01.139 But Donna's role is to puncture the doctor. 212 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:05.100 So whenever the doctor does, you know, like a big, a big moment. 213 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:07.860 Her job is to kind of bring him down to earth. 214 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:09.720 That moment where she says she's going home. 215 00:14:09.779 --> 00:14:10.379 Yes. 216 00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:12.299 And he's gone, like, you were the best thing. 217 00:14:12.539 --> 00:14:13.080 You stopped it. 218 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:15.299 It's like, like he goes over and she just lets him. 219 00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:21.059 Yeah, yeah, carry on being properly tenant and Russell T. Davis. creeping little smile. 220 00:14:21.120 --> 00:14:21.720 Yes. 221 00:14:21.720 --> 00:14:25.379 Oh, I was just going home. 222 00:14:25.919 --> 00:14:33.960 Yeah, it's her reaction where she slowly just, you know, it becomes clear that she's just letting him do this. 223 00:14:34.019 --> 00:14:38.159 And it's like the show is parroting what has been happening for the last 3 years. 224 00:14:38.220 --> 00:14:42.059 Like it's going, let's let's let's upend our own paradigm. 225 00:14:42.179 --> 00:14:51.179 Well, it's the same thing at the very beginning where Martha and Donna 1st meet and the doctor wants them to fight and they refuse. to. 226 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:52.559 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 227 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:58.620 And she calls him a prawn and then she calls him a dumbo when it's time to go home. 228 00:14:58.679 --> 00:15:10.620 And then she goes home and that, like even that sort of really cheesy walking down the street looking at people going past with little flashbacks to the emotional moments that she's had over the past few episodes. 229 00:15:10.679 --> 00:15:22.259 But then, I mean, then you get the whole thing where she stops, like she sees her grandfather and and then he's just like waving his arms going, he's so excited that she's come home. 230 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:23.759 She runs like a 10 year old. 231 00:15:23.820 --> 00:15:24.659 She's so excited. 232 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:29.100 And then they hug it like, I just well up every time I watch it. 233 00:15:29.220 --> 00:15:29.940 But see, that's the thing. 234 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:38.159 I think McKinnon's good at those kinds of scenes, but you give him anything with, you know, science fiction drama or dynamism. 235 00:15:38.220 --> 00:15:45.179 Yeah, and he's like, yeah, I don't know. all of those scenes with Donna's family are complete boilerplate. 236 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:45.779 Yeah. 237 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:49.500 I think everything that's warm and good about them is all brought by the performances. 238 00:15:49.559 --> 00:15:52.259 Otherwise, it's just by numbers. 239 00:15:52.320 --> 00:16:06.240 I mean, I like I've got to think that Russell pays particular attention to those scenes in his passover because he's done this incredible reinvention of Donna, which I don't think gets enough credit. 240 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:12.480 Like he really, really reworks the character quite seriously in order to make her a going concern. 241 00:16:12.539 --> 00:16:19.259 And so properly characterising the family based on what Sylvia's like in Runaway bride. 242 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:32.159 But also like the, you know, they were also hamstrung, but turned it to their advantage by the fact that her dad was meant to be in a filmed scene. these 2 episodes were written with her father, you know, in jeopardy in the car. 243 00:16:32.220 --> 00:16:37.980 So having to recast that as the grandfather, you know, make it a different kind of situation. 244 00:16:38.039 --> 00:16:39.960 Like that could have been a disaster. 245 00:16:40.019 --> 00:16:45.120 Like just getting someone to the last minute and but instead you get Bernard Cribbins, who's incredible. 246 00:16:45.179 --> 00:16:49.379 Well, you see, Russell has to make her into a person rather than a Christmas draw. 247 00:16:49.440 --> 00:16:53.519 And can I also say, I think that would have actually been better if it had been reversed. 248 00:16:53.580 --> 00:16:59.940 The fact that Cuddly Wolf is trapped inside the car and everyone's going a bit crazy about it is kind of like the obvious choice. 249 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:04.740 It would have been much better if Sylvia was trapped in the car and Wolf ends up saving the day. 250 00:17:04.799 --> 00:17:06.420 That just feels more organic to me. 251 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:09.539 Oh, but I just, I love like, Sylvia wielding a hammer. 252 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:13.019 Yeah, I agree. 253 00:17:13.140 --> 00:17:15.539 Jackie King attacking your car. 254 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:17.339 I'm sure Russ... 255 00:17:17.339 --> 00:17:18.539 I'm on board with Jackie. 256 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:28.559 I'm sure Russell said this at some point in an interview that as soon as he got the image of her wielding that hammer that like it was sold for him. 257 00:17:28.619 --> 00:17:31.200 It was like, no, she has to be, she has to smash the windscreen. 258 00:17:31.319 --> 00:17:40.980 Although it is really frustrating as a cliffhanger for this episode because the whole time you're like, why doesn't someone break the bloody window? 259 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:45.420 You're going to wait a whole week to say Jackie Kington? 260 00:17:45.539 --> 00:17:52.140 Do we not think, though, that as wonderful as she is all the time, these episodes are a little bit regressive for Donna? 261 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:54.720 She doesn't achieve anything? 262 00:17:54.779 --> 00:17:56.400 She's sidelined in the plot. 263 00:17:56.460 --> 00:18:04.259 And next week when we come to that, we'll find out that actually she's very tentative about doing things that she should be confident with by now. 264 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:06.480 So it feels like a backward step for me. 265 00:18:06.539 --> 00:18:07.559 Oh, okay. 266 00:18:07.619 --> 00:18:09.779 I felt that too when I was watching. 267 00:18:09.900 --> 00:18:11.940 But they were getting ahead of ourselves, so that is next week. 268 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:14.519 But even this week, she doesn't do much. 269 00:18:14.579 --> 00:18:17.759 She gets to be super temp, which is sort of standard Donna stuff. 270 00:18:17.819 --> 00:18:18.720 But why hang? 271 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:24.000 I really actually find that frustrating that they have to draw attention to it? 272 00:18:24.059 --> 00:18:27.599 Why not just have her be intelligent? 273 00:18:27.660 --> 00:18:31.920 Why do you have, yeah, and clever and sort of, you know, have sort that out? 274 00:18:31.980 --> 00:18:33.779 Like, you know she worked in an office. 275 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:36.779 You don't have to hang a hang a lantern on a train. 276 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:37.799 Oh, I kind of thing. 277 00:18:37.859 --> 00:18:49.799 I like that, though, because it's that thing of like, just because your job to you feels like, oh, I just turn up and I just work in the secretarial thing, like that's, you know, I don't really do anything important. 278 00:18:49.859 --> 00:18:55.319 It's like, no, no, no, that is an important job and you know things about a business that no one else would know. 279 00:18:55.680 --> 00:18:57.779 And she's good at it. 280 00:18:57.839 --> 00:19:05.819 And because we had Lance in Runaway Bride talking about how stupid she was, how she couldn't find Germany on a map or whatever. 281 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:07.319 You flavour of Pringle. 282 00:19:07.380 --> 00:19:09.779 You have to make her smart. 283 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:11.460 She's totally smart. 284 00:19:11.519 --> 00:19:13.079 She's she's smart in all ways. 285 00:19:13.140 --> 00:19:15.359 She's emotionally smart, intellectually smart. 286 00:19:15.420 --> 00:19:17.279 She just plays up the fact that she's not. 287 00:19:17.339 --> 00:19:19.799 And I don't think this episode helped her very much. 288 00:19:19.859 --> 00:19:26.819 I mean, we all know that she went off into the office to get a man. came back and found the details that she needed. 289 00:19:28.079 --> 00:19:30.119 As we all do, yeah. 290 00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:34.680 She probably found one in there and still found the details. 291 00:19:34.740 --> 00:19:36.420 She's a very busy girl. 292 00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:41.519 Although with that guy that Martha had finished interviewing, probably still sitting in the corner with a very quick heart rate. 293 00:19:41.579 --> 00:19:42.660 I mean, opportunity. 294 00:19:42.720 --> 00:19:45.000 I'd never made the comlish. 295 00:19:45.059 --> 00:19:51.779 I never made the connection that she ends up working in an office, the next major role. 296 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:08.279 By the way, talking of Martha, who we've ignored. 297 00:20:08.579 --> 00:20:10.799 Much like Helen Rayner. 298 00:20:11.339 --> 00:20:16.680 So, she's engaged to the, you know, Lucifer. 299 00:20:16.680 --> 00:20:20.940 But then doesn't she end up married to Mickey? 300 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:22.799 Did we ever... 301 00:20:22.859 --> 00:20:26.819 We never saw what happened with Lucifer and the engagement. 302 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:28.980 Like, this is just an untold Martha story. 303 00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:34.980 I believe the fact that she ended up married to Mickey was meant to be tied up with Mickey's appearance in Torchwood, which never happened. 304 00:20:35.039 --> 00:20:39.839 Oh, and also the fact that they'd met at the end of this season. 305 00:20:39.900 --> 00:20:43.259 Oh, in the... when she had the Osterhagen key. 306 00:20:43.319 --> 00:20:45.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 307 00:20:45.299 --> 00:20:45.900 Yeah. 308 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:46.680 Well done. 309 00:20:46.740 --> 00:20:47.819 That was good. 310 00:20:47.880 --> 00:20:50.819 I just call it the anagram. 311 00:20:52.259 --> 00:20:54.779 I just remember it being such a big thing. 312 00:20:54.839 --> 00:20:55.799 I was like, what is it? 313 00:20:55.859 --> 00:20:56.220 What is it? 314 00:20:56.279 --> 00:20:57.480 I'm like, oh, it's a button. 315 00:20:57.779 --> 00:21:00.359 It sounds like an ice cream dog. 316 00:21:00.420 --> 00:21:02.160 I've got Osterhagen for everyone. 317 00:21:02.339 --> 00:21:05.039 It's a German vanetta. 318 00:21:05.099 --> 00:21:11.819 I love how Helen Andor Russell has the temerity to actually have Martha phoning in her performance in her 1st scene. 319 00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:12.839 Yeah, exactly. 320 00:21:12.839 --> 00:21:13.619 Literally. 321 00:21:13.619 --> 00:21:16.200 Bringing you back down to her. 322 00:21:16.259 --> 00:21:19.920 It's so, it's so, you know, like cold open acting. 323 00:21:19.980 --> 00:21:23.220 Like she's saying it like it's about to lead into the opening credit. 324 00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:24.660 It's like no one talks like that. 325 00:21:24.720 --> 00:21:27.900 Like she can see it flying towards her through the sky. 326 00:21:28.140 --> 00:21:30.539 We loved Martha last year. 327 00:21:30.599 --> 00:21:33.240 I think her performance is generally really good. 328 00:21:33.299 --> 00:21:40.259 And they're bringing her back for 5 episodes this year for kind of, I don't know, consolation. 329 00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:42.660 She's also done 3 tortures. 330 00:21:42.720 --> 00:21:44.700 So she's had, you know, a decent 8 weeks. 331 00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:53.940 But by the end of Russell's sort of era as the showrunner on, you know, these 3 shows, she's been in another 9 episodes after being sacked. 332 00:21:54.000 --> 00:21:56.339 So they're bringing it back. 333 00:21:56.400 --> 00:21:57.599 Well, let's say let go. 334 00:21:57.660 --> 00:22:02.700 But they're not doing any of the things with her character that we like. 335 00:22:02.759 --> 00:22:03.539 Yeah. 336 00:22:03.539 --> 00:22:07.380 She's sort of very quickly kind of sidelined and then evil. 337 00:22:07.500 --> 00:22:09.660 She's back to dialects in Manhattan, Martha. 338 00:22:09.720 --> 00:22:12.960 Remember, we talked about the fact that Martha gets very little to do. 339 00:22:13.019 --> 00:22:20.339 She's just generic companion throughout those episodes after 3 episodes of being really quite strong and well written and she's back to being a plot function here. 340 00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:22.140 So is Donna in this episode as well. 341 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:23.759 Like, Donna barely has a plot function. 342 00:22:23.819 --> 00:22:26.400 Like, she finds a folder and then goes to a CFM. 343 00:22:26.460 --> 00:22:31.079 And that's that's shocking after you've just had Pompeii. 344 00:22:31.140 --> 00:22:34.740 And Oud, like where this character has... 345 00:22:34.740 --> 00:22:38.700 And you foreshadowing that something's happening to her, like there's important things going on. 346 00:22:38.700 --> 00:22:42.599 And you've really seen her sort of chops, I guess. 347 00:22:42.660 --> 00:22:46.980 You've really seen her become a sort of more... 348 00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:47.519 Why? 349 00:22:47.579 --> 00:22:51.119 Why bring in old mate, new Benton? 350 00:22:51.180 --> 00:22:52.799 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 351 00:22:52.859 --> 00:22:54.359 I can see the wisdom of that. 352 00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:56.279 I mean, he's pretty. 353 00:22:56.339 --> 00:22:59.759 Well, you know, they did have a gay cast. 354 00:22:59.880 --> 00:23:08.279 I recently watched him in that Agatha Christie where he replaced the rapist from Gossip Girl. 355 00:23:08.339 --> 00:23:10.140 He's no good. 356 00:23:10.619 --> 00:23:17.880 I think, I mean, he's not required to do very much in this apart from Be Pretty and he does that fantastic well. 357 00:23:17.940 --> 00:23:19.500 So that's Ross Jenkins. 358 00:23:19.559 --> 00:23:22.380 And I think they had the character's name. 359 00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:24.599 They had been going to bring him back for turn left. 360 00:23:24.839 --> 00:23:27.240 But he wasn't available. 361 00:23:27.299 --> 00:23:28.920 And that would have been kind of perfect. 362 00:23:28.980 --> 00:23:30.180 Which is why they kill him off. 363 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:30.839 Yeah. 364 00:23:30.900 --> 00:23:40.859 No, but I think they would have killed him off, but had him still alive in the turn left version of reality to make the decision about switching back. 365 00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:46.019 The time tracks more interesting because we would have been switching them back to a time when Ross was dead. 366 00:23:46.079 --> 00:23:47.819 And I'm not suggesting that they would have. 367 00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:50.339 Poor Donna, how many times does she have to give up an entire life? 368 00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:55.500 Yeah, yeah, yeah Well, I mean, to go and get back on the TARDIS. 369 00:23:55.559 --> 00:24:05.700 The reason for that, though, is that Russell doesn't rewrite Moffat and Russell realises that they've both written the same story in a while. why they have to shove midnight in between. 370 00:24:05.759 --> 00:24:06.900 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 371 00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:09.779 Which was apparently meant to be earlier in the season. 372 00:24:09.839 --> 00:24:12.000 I think that slot was meant to be, yes. 373 00:24:12.059 --> 00:24:22.200 Because, yeah, midnight, because the appearance of Rose in the next episode was originally meant to happen earlier and they're like, oh, we're going to have to jam her in somewhere else. 374 00:24:22.259 --> 00:24:22.859 Yeah, yeah. 375 00:24:22.859 --> 00:24:25.440 That team was shot before midnight during turn lamp. 376 00:24:25.500 --> 00:24:26.339 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 377 00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:28.500 Can we talk a little bit more about Martha? 378 00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:33.180 Because I think bring her back was a big thing for the kids. 379 00:24:33.240 --> 00:24:36.059 They would have loved seeing that, but she's given no agency in this story. 380 00:24:36.119 --> 00:24:37.200 She's just kind of brought back. 381 00:24:37.319 --> 00:24:45.059 They have a scene with her and the doctor and Donna, and then she's kind of sent off on her own storyline and has very little interaction with the regulars thereafter. 382 00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:49.380 So what she has, that conversation that she has with Donna, I think, is very good. 383 00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:51.180 Yeah, I would have watched an episode of that. 384 00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:51.720 Yep. 385 00:24:51.779 --> 00:24:58.740 I also think that leaving her, because she has the best kind of leaving scene in the new series, I think, where she just goes on her own terms. 386 00:24:58.740 --> 00:25:00.779 And we're going to see her again. 387 00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:09.059 We don't have to sort of trap her in the past or, you know, in a parallel universe or, you know, send her off to live in a puddle with a sort of space lesbian or something. 388 00:25:09.180 --> 00:25:10.680 We can just, do you know what I mean? 389 00:25:10.740 --> 00:25:14.579 She just, she just goes back to her life and we can see her again. 390 00:25:14.640 --> 00:25:15.839 And I really love it. 391 00:25:15.900 --> 00:25:20.940 It's kind of like they're doing all the things that fans wish to happen with Sarah Jane back in the day. 392 00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:21.480 Yeah. 393 00:25:21.539 --> 00:25:26.880 Like, it's like, oh, imagine if, you know, the doctor and Leila went back to... 394 00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:28.980 And there was Sarah Jane still hanging out with the unit. 395 00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:30.900 Yeah, doing business. 396 00:25:31.019 --> 00:25:38.279 Like Sarah Jane, Elizabeth Sleden doesn't free management do a great job of being kind of casually evil. 397 00:25:38.339 --> 00:25:38.940 Yeah. 398 00:25:38.940 --> 00:25:44.700 Anytime Sarah was taken over or a duplicate. you know, you were there for it. 399 00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:45.900 Same with Freema. 400 00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:46.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 401 00:25:46.980 --> 00:25:51.480 She does some great kind of eye rolling and kind of exasperation and stuff. 402 00:25:51.539 --> 00:25:55.799 She presses and like no one else ever has, I think. 403 00:25:56.099 --> 00:26:07.680 That whole, I mean, that, again, we're drifting into the 2nd episode, but that is part of the editing process that needed to be gotten rid of, that whole ongoing narrative with sending the bombs. 404 00:26:07.740 --> 00:26:12.119 Like, it's already established that they can't affect the spaceship. 405 00:26:12.180 --> 00:26:14.579 So what's the point? 406 00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:16.079 What's the point of turning them off? 407 00:26:16.140 --> 00:26:19.500 And then there's just a weird line of justification later on. 408 00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:26.700 And I, it's like, this is a, this is a single episode that somehow managed to blow out to a double episode. 409 00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:31.920 There's a weird thing where there's some reference made to her pressing N. 410 00:26:33.059 --> 00:26:35.160 But she's pressing a big button that says no. 411 00:26:35.220 --> 00:26:43.799 And I just wonder whether, like, it's like we thought it was going to be a blackberry, but it ends up being a big screen or something and no one kind of... 412 00:26:43.859 --> 00:26:48.539 Yeah, it's, yeah, no, for, yeah, it is hard to know what that's doing. 413 00:26:48.539 --> 00:26:55.559 Because once you, once you stop at once, all you need to do is say we can't fire them again or whatever for some reason. 414 00:26:55.619 --> 00:26:58.079 Instead, it's like, oh, I've gotta give Martha something else to do. 415 00:26:58.140 --> 00:26:59.700 Evil Martha's got to have another job. 416 00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:18.240 And that would have been structurally better for the plot as well if it had been, she'd taken control of it. you know, using the Sontarin's technology and the codes and they they realise they can't fire them and then it's like, what do we do now? 417 00:27:18.299 --> 00:27:20.039 Do something more interesting. 418 00:27:20.099 --> 00:27:32.220 Like, it's just literally so she has the occasional scene whilst she's doing nothing else for the plot, just pressing a button so you kind of know, you like, hey, yeah, there's still some nuclear weapons. 419 00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:33.539 You know what? 420 00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:44.940 Strip out that, strip out Radigan and his weird red hoodie academy, and have pretty new Benton sacrifice himself at the end for the doctor. 421 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:48.599 Like, you've cut half, half, like one whole episode out. 422 00:27:48.660 --> 00:27:50.039 Everything's fine. 423 00:27:50.099 --> 00:27:53.099 I'm sure we're going to miss out on Jackie King breaking a window with them. 424 00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:57.539 But I'd be happy to sacrifice that for more linear storytelling. 425 00:27:57.599 --> 00:28:01.079 Apparently, I think we discussed this last week. 426 00:28:01.140 --> 00:28:07.619 The Oud story, Russell had initially considered making it a two-part. 427 00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:08.220 Oh, yeah. 428 00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:10.740 There was there's plenty of meat in that for 2 episodes. 429 00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:11.819 This one? 430 00:28:11.819 --> 00:28:14.759 No, as the episode 452 parter. 431 00:28:14.819 --> 00:28:18.000 Particularly as an answer to the Impossible Planet 2 party. 432 00:28:18.059 --> 00:28:22.079 You know, you have 2 parts on the Oud, now have 2 parts kind of freeing them. 433 00:28:22.140 --> 00:28:23.880 You have to bring Ida back? 434 00:28:23.940 --> 00:28:24.779 Yeah, yeah. 435 00:28:24.839 --> 00:28:26.579 And it has something political to say. 436 00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:28.140 Like, it's actually about something. 437 00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:30.240 And of course, this is the problem with this episode. 438 00:28:30.299 --> 00:28:33.599 I don't think it's about anything, even though it makes pretence of being about something. 439 00:28:42.660 --> 00:28:44.460 You know what we haven't mentioned? 440 00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:46.380 It's DeSontara. 441 00:28:46.980 --> 00:28:49.079 They're in the title. 442 00:28:49.140 --> 00:28:52.079 The whole reason that it was a two-parter. 443 00:28:52.140 --> 00:28:53.579 We've got a returning monster. 444 00:28:53.640 --> 00:28:54.839 Same with the cybermen. 445 00:28:54.900 --> 00:28:56.519 It's like we've got a returning monster. 446 00:28:56.579 --> 00:29:00.480 We're going have a double episode to really make everyone excited. 447 00:29:00.539 --> 00:29:14.640 Also, that's, from the reality point of view why you do a two-parter, is because one episode finances one of the plastic heads and the next episode finances the other rubber head, so you can have 2 son torants talking instead of a bunch of helmets. 448 00:29:14.700 --> 00:29:16.680 Like the jadoon. 449 00:29:16.740 --> 00:29:24.900 So, so, I think that this proves once and for all that the Son Torrance don't work and that they're a dumb idea. 450 00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:25.859 You know what? 451 00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:34.619 This, I think, was the, this feels like the impetus for Stephen Moffatt and Big Finish both going, you know what? 452 00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:38.700 They've cast comedians, and they've not given them anything funny to do. 453 00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:40.500 Let's make the Santarans funny. 454 00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:42.420 And they were always funny. 455 00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:45.779 Yeah, Robert Holmes writes them is extremely entertaining. 456 00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:48.599 Maybe not on the nose funny like they are here. 457 00:29:48.660 --> 00:29:53.039 But it's what differentiates them from other monsters. their pomposity. funny. 458 00:29:53.099 --> 00:29:57.660 And the thing is that, and this is Sandafar. 459 00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:03.599 The thing is that Holmes doesn't create the Santaran so much as create links. 460 00:30:03.660 --> 00:30:10.500 And so in the Time Warrior, the doctor is the scientific advisor to a military organisation. 461 00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:17.759 Then he goes back in time and meets this sort of alien who's a scientific advisor to a warlord. 462 00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:29.400 And links is a really, really good character and he's really funny and the interaction between him and David Dacre's character who is called Iron Gron. 463 00:30:29.700 --> 00:30:33.839 Like all of that stuff is like super, super funny. 464 00:30:33.900 --> 00:30:39.420 And the Cliffhanger to episode one, where he takes the helmet off and the head is the same shape as the helmet. 465 00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:42.000 That's genuinely meant to be funny, surely. 466 00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:47.279 So I think they work and then I don't think they ever work again. 467 00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:57.660 You know, you've got the same actor back in a in the Santarian experiment, like in a sort of sort of needlessly nasty. 468 00:30:57.720 --> 00:30:58.740 That's bothering. 469 00:30:58.859 --> 00:31:00.960 I kind of like that it's needlessly nasty, though. funny. 470 00:31:01.019 --> 00:31:04.200 Well, season is so needlessly nasty. love it. 471 00:31:04.259 --> 00:31:04.980 Yeah, it is good. 472 00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:08.759 No, it is good, but it is kind of ooh. 473 00:31:09.180 --> 00:31:11.460 So I don't think they work there. 474 00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:14.400 I think they're sort of shockingly terrible in the invasion of time. 475 00:31:14.460 --> 00:31:15.779 They're wasted. 476 00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:21.960 Um, and then you've got the Santarans being a part of another checklist story in the 2 doctors. 477 00:31:22.019 --> 00:31:24.779 I think the Santarans are wonderfully good in the 2 doctors. 478 00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:27.299 Do you love a? 479 00:31:27.299 --> 00:31:27.720 No, no. 480 00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:28.740 Oh, you do? 481 00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:29.220 Oh, okay. 482 00:31:29.220 --> 00:31:31.079 I'm like, no, you can't be serious. 483 00:31:31.140 --> 00:31:33.779 I don't like the mask. in the 2 doctors. 484 00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:34.920 No, there's a lot of problems. 485 00:31:34.980 --> 00:31:42.359 They cast far too tall and so they're not, but I think the characters are actually what style is based on because they're military buffoons. 486 00:31:42.420 --> 00:31:47.099 And that's Robert Holmes again returning to their pomposity and making them funny. 487 00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:49.920 And that's the template for these Santarans. 488 00:31:49.980 --> 00:31:52.440 I think Sontarans and the 2 doctors are great. the best part of the story. 489 00:31:52.500 --> 00:32:23.039 I think part of the problem here is that like Russell is trying to make a commentary on the military and make them heroic while making the doctor at odds with the military and he's also heroic. and then you've got the bad military, which is the Santarans, but he's trying so hard not to say that being in the service is a bad thing that the Santarans don't necessarily do anything military. 490 00:32:23.099 --> 00:32:26.279 Like the, and it's constantly said, this isn't like this on Torrance. 491 00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:27.720 This isn't like this on Torrance at all. 492 00:32:27.779 --> 00:32:28.559 This isn't like the song. 493 00:32:28.619 --> 00:32:29.579 Well they're mine and you get someone else. 494 00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:31.799 It doesn't make any sense at all. 495 00:32:31.859 --> 00:32:42.839 You get those scenes where they lock the rifles of the people who are fighting them, which is about the most uncourageous thing that you do, is turning your enemy into someone who can't fight back. 496 00:32:42.900 --> 00:32:44.700 And yet, Son Torans seem to find that good. 497 00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:46.740 So that wouldn't matter. 498 00:32:46.859 --> 00:32:47.880 But then the excitement of being shot. 499 00:32:47.940 --> 00:32:50.279 Like, oh, yes. 500 00:32:50.339 --> 00:32:51.900 This is a war. 501 00:32:52.019 --> 00:32:53.940 But it is that thing. 502 00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:54.779 That's the big problem. 503 00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:58.200 They are sort of trying to say something about the military. 504 00:32:58.259 --> 00:33:13.259 And you can see, for instance, you know, the doctor is cross with Colonel Mason a bit of a dick to Colonel Mays. and you have the you have Martha calling him out on that and saying that her job is to be here to try and make the military better. 505 00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:20.039 And you get her saying, you know, we're not here to check your immigration status to little Polish guy and all of that. 506 00:33:20.099 --> 00:33:22.319 So she's trying to be the nice face of it. 507 00:33:22.380 --> 00:33:34.740 But because the Sonterans have been shoehorned into this weird Atmos GPS plot, that they don't really work with, the whole kind of parallel is completely undermined. 508 00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:42.720 And I guess, you know, next week we get scenes of them shooting each other and maybe that's where it kind of... 509 00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:46.799 That just feels like another, you know, Russell's trying to remake his favourite episodes. 510 00:33:46.859 --> 00:33:49.259 Like, oh, he's remade Spearhead from space. 511 00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:56.279 And now he's trying to remake the invasion slash to reveal it on slash anything with unit. attacking a factory. 512 00:33:57.539 --> 00:34:06.240 There's definitely a point there to be made about kind of military and an attempt to contrast the doctor with units with Son Torrens. 513 00:34:06.299 --> 00:34:10.739 But then that gets lost because the doctor is so needlessly antagonistic with unit. 514 00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:13.860 He's really nasty to the characters. 515 00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:15.840 Like basically telling them off all the time. 516 00:34:15.900 --> 00:34:25.619 Whereas the Pertwee doctor, for instance, was much more dry about, you know, oh, we're going to blow something up again, Brigadier, whereas the doctor is actually just not a very nice person in those scenes. 517 00:34:25.739 --> 00:34:27.780 But is that... 518 00:34:27.780 --> 00:34:34.380 Is that more a limitation of tenant just going, I am ebullient or angry. 519 00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:38.400 I have no, there's, there's no shades of gray with tenants. 520 00:34:38.460 --> 00:34:42.119 Well, you see, I think David's always trying 110% to bring something to it. 521 00:34:42.179 --> 00:34:43.679 But sometimes he's ill served. 522 00:34:43.739 --> 00:34:45.599 And he's all served here. 523 00:34:45.659 --> 00:34:46.679 There's nothing really to work with. 524 00:34:46.739 --> 00:34:47.519 There's no subtext. 525 00:34:47.579 --> 00:34:48.179 No. 526 00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:48.420 No. 527 00:34:48.420 --> 00:34:49.079 No. 528 00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:54.059 So I think that this is kind of the death knell for the Santarians as a kind of credible threat. 529 00:34:54.179 --> 00:34:57.780 Like, you can't imagine there being a Sonteran episode from here on in. 530 00:34:57.840 --> 00:34:59.400 But you know what? 531 00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:09.119 They did such great work with the design of their spaceship and how their hilarious spherical spaceships from the 70s managed to slot into the little bump holes on the... 532 00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:12.659 And it itself is a big ground sphere with sort of pointy things on it. 533 00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:13.199 The design. 534 00:35:13.260 --> 00:35:16.679 The set, the interior set is shocking people again. 535 00:35:16.739 --> 00:35:23.340 Like, what the hell are those sort of prism things, you know, the boxes hanging off the ceiling? 536 00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:24.179 Oh, no, I like this. 537 00:35:24.179 --> 00:35:28.920 One tarin's taste in light decorations. 538 00:35:28.980 --> 00:35:30.119 It's super 70s. 539 00:35:30.179 --> 00:35:32.940 Like, it's like... 540 00:35:33.659 --> 00:35:37.260 I find the blueness of them kind of distracting. 541 00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:38.639 It's like why are they blue? 542 00:35:38.699 --> 00:35:42.420 Was it that's that's Russell T. Davis that? 543 00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:43.139 Yeah, why not? 544 00:35:43.139 --> 00:35:45.840 No, they are with her costume. 545 00:35:45.900 --> 00:35:46.739 They all coloured that colour. 546 00:35:46.860 --> 00:35:52.559 But don't you think it's because the Jadoon came in last year and they were wearing things that we at the time... 547 00:35:52.619 --> 00:35:58.739 Thought were a bit sort of like, I mean, you know, they're taller and it's a little bit more sort of fetish, Folsom Street. 548 00:35:59.340 --> 00:36:00.480 Oh, yeah, that skirt thing. 549 00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:01.679 Yeah, yeah. 550 00:36:01.739 --> 00:36:04.139 And did you do like better Son Torans than the Son Torans? 551 00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:04.980 Yeah. 552 00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:17.219 But there is there is a Russell T. Davis thing of like, I want kids to be able to draw them and making them bright blue is like, yes, I can draw their weird brown heads and their bright blue necks. 553 00:36:17.219 --> 00:36:20.820 And we haven't mentioned the creative hire that is sontahha. 554 00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:21.960 Oh dear. 555 00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:24.300 Where they're doing the Harker. 556 00:36:24.900 --> 00:36:26.940 Santahaka. 557 00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:27.719 Yeah, yeah. 558 00:36:27.780 --> 00:36:28.739 The Space Harker. 559 00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:29.699 It's appropriation. 560 00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:39.840 This is a, this is another thing that I'm, like, we were talking about, like, Santaran's meat are meant to be funny. obviously cast Mike from the young ones because they're like, well, they're going to be funny. 561 00:36:39.900 --> 00:36:41.460 Like, Santarans are funny. 562 00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:44.519 We'll cast a couple of funny actors to play this on Taraans. 563 00:36:44.579 --> 00:36:48.059 And then Helen Rayner gives them nothing to do. 564 00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:53.639 But also, you know, I've read that Russell T. Davis book where he rewrites everyone's script. 565 00:36:53.699 --> 00:36:55.739 So he also gave them nothing to do. 566 00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:57.599 In the rewrite. 567 00:36:57.659 --> 00:37:00.900 Chris Ryan there does give wonderful Santar and side eye. 568 00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:01.860 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 569 00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:03.119 His performance is great. 570 00:37:03.179 --> 00:37:06.179 Like, rolling his R's like a crazy person. 571 00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:07.980 Like, I'm in the military. 572 00:37:08.699 --> 00:37:12.539 And Dan Starkey is amazingly kind of low-key. 573 00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:20.280 I had to kind of, you know, he's little sort of cute gap 2 thing going, which is very sweet, but he's nothing at all like, come distracts. 574 00:37:20.340 --> 00:37:24.300 Oh, yeah, his tracks is insanely stupid. 575 00:37:24.420 --> 00:37:25.019 Yeah. 576 00:37:25.019 --> 00:37:25.800 It's a... 577 00:37:25.860 --> 00:37:26.519 I love... 578 00:37:26.579 --> 00:37:27.599 I mean I love that performance. 579 00:37:27.659 --> 00:37:30.059 If you're going to have Son Torrens, let's let's do strikes. 580 00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:30.960 That's kind of better. 581 00:37:31.019 --> 00:37:35.519 To give them this story because we ended up... 582 00:37:35.579 --> 00:37:36.239 Yeah, yeah. 583 00:37:36.300 --> 00:37:42.420 And, you know, like I think that Chris Ryan got to be funny in Mind Warp. 584 00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:43.260 Oh, yeah. 585 00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:45.719 Which is pretty much the same performance. 586 00:37:45.780 --> 00:37:46.019 Oh yeah. 587 00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:47.099 No, no, I don't think... 588 00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:54.900 But mind warp didn't feel like it was, it warranted the kind of over the topness that, I mean, you, why are you going to fight with Brian Blessard? 589 00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:57.539 take an opposing view. 590 00:37:57.780 --> 00:38:00.000 Oh, Brian, blessings there. 591 00:38:00.059 --> 00:38:01.559 Oh, less there's more here. 592 00:38:01.619 --> 00:38:04.380 But I mean, you know, what's he going to do? 593 00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:07.139 He's sort of trapped in a sort of giant rubber slant kind of stuff. 594 00:38:07.500 --> 00:38:08.940 Yeah. 595 00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:16.800 I mean, it's like, because if you watch the young ones, He's gone, oh, I'm surrounded by 3 huge giant hams. 596 00:38:16.860 --> 00:38:21.420 My instinct as an actor is to downplay now. 597 00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:24.300 I'm just saying instinct he brought to absolutely fabulous. 598 00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:26.760 Yeah, yeah, say, exactly. 599 00:38:26.820 --> 00:38:29.820 Well, because he's up against 3 giant hands. 600 00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:31.079 Yeah, 3 giant hams. 601 00:38:31.139 --> 00:38:37.559 So he's like, I'll just, I'm going to have these hilariously written lines and I'm going to deliver them as if they're not funny. 602 00:38:37.619 --> 00:38:40.139 And which kind of makes them even funnier. 603 00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:44.340 Like we had to do, someone did the young ones is a topic on hard quiz. 604 00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:59.340 And so I ended up watching a lot of it and going, oh, his performance is actually really like, he's got some of the best lines in the show and he's just underplaying them so beautifully so that by the 3rd or 4th watching, like, you know, people obsessively watch things like the young ones. 605 00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:08.639 You're like, oh, his lines are really funny, but because he's not showboating like everyone else, you get the time to kind of really chew over them. 606 00:39:08.699 --> 00:39:18.059 So yeah, it's, in this one, I feel like he's, he's been given all this dialogue and he's overselling it and it's like, you've got nothing to work with, mate. 607 00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:19.679 I'm sorry I can't agree with that. 608 00:39:19.739 --> 00:39:21.960 At least the new series, Kevin Lindsay. 609 00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:25.860 Kevin Lindsay makes links. 610 00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:27.539 Yes, magnetic. 611 00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:30.360 I think that Chris Ryan does the same with style. 612 00:39:30.420 --> 00:39:32.579 Every scene that Stahl is in, you're looking at him. 613 00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:37.500 And he does a really great job of the character, which I think on the page is actually not up to much. 614 00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:38.460 That's what I mean. 615 00:39:38.579 --> 00:39:40.559 Like he's really, he's chewing through the scenery. 616 00:39:40.619 --> 00:39:42.599 But like he's got nothing to work with. 617 00:39:42.659 --> 00:39:49.860 Like, it's like, it's almost like they've cast him and they've gone, he's going to be great and it's like, we don't, we don't need to write anything for him. 618 00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:53.400 Yeah, but it would be nice. for him to have better dialogue. 619 00:39:53.460 --> 00:40:02.460 Well, that very long scene, a very long interminable scene where the 2 unit soldiers are confronted by style when they find the coffins with the liquid in them. 620 00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:04.320 And he's very funny in that. 621 00:40:04.380 --> 00:40:06.480 You know, I must reach you a 7 out of 10. 622 00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:08.880 Okay, he says, he's Todd, then. 623 00:40:08.940 --> 00:40:09.719 And he's great. 624 00:40:09.780 --> 00:40:14.579 And the rest of that scene is really internally dull, but you put him into it and it comes live. 625 00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:17.880 Oh, and the, oh, mate, in the bath. 626 00:40:17.940 --> 00:40:21.960 Like, again, a whole plot line that we could have probably done without. 627 00:40:22.019 --> 00:40:23.579 Yeah, so I think... 628 00:40:23.579 --> 00:40:29.039 If you got rid of fake Martha, you'd have a, like, you'd have a nice decent single part episode. 629 00:40:29.099 --> 00:40:36.659 So we want to do cloning because that's a thing that Santarans do, even though it's only ever been done in dialogue before. 630 00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:43.139 So it's like, well, let's show them doing cloning to make them have some interesting feature or something. 631 00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:46.139 But again, it is just kind of. 632 00:40:46.320 --> 00:41:04.619 But that's the, that's like the weird thing where they go, okay, we're going to have the people in the factory be hypnotised, like the, the scientists in the Time Warrior instead of B clones because we don't want to pull the tag on the fact that this entire plot in the 2nd episode turns out to be about making clones. 633 00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:05.699 Yeah. 634 00:41:05.699 --> 00:41:07.019 But will make one clone. 635 00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:09.239 But the hypnotism goes nowhere. 636 00:41:09.300 --> 00:41:12.179 The cloning goes nowhere and you're left with nothing. 637 00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:12.719 Yeah. 638 00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:15.239 It's almost like you're saying this plot is half baked. 639 00:41:15.300 --> 00:41:17.039 Some might say like a potato. 640 00:41:17.099 --> 00:41:18.059 Like a potato. 641 00:41:18.059 --> 00:41:19.800 Underdone potato. 642 00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:24.719 I suppose it's better baked than mash. 643 00:41:25.260 --> 00:41:27.599 I'd rather if it was roasted. 644 00:41:27.659 --> 00:41:30.420 That's what happened to Styre at the end of... 645 00:41:30.420 --> 00:41:31.260 Mashed potato. 646 00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:39.059 Can I also say, did anyone else raise an eyebrow when, sorry, I'm getting a little bit ahead of myself, but Stahl says, we have the doctor's TARDIS. 647 00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:41.159 The 1st time we've ever had a time travel machine. 648 00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:44.460 And you think, well, you really did muck up your invasion of gala friends. 649 00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:47.699 Also, they travel in time. 650 00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:49.320 Like that's part of their whole thing. 651 00:41:49.380 --> 00:41:52.019 And also, like them being kept out of the time war was weird. 652 00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:54.000 Like, I didn't understand what that line was about. 653 00:41:54.059 --> 00:41:56.820 Yeah, the greatest war in history and we weren't invited. 654 00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:03.059 I hate how they ruin Bob Holmes's thorax joke. 655 00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:03.719 Oh yeah. 656 00:42:03.780 --> 00:42:07.739 So that is clearly, oh, look, Elise Layton has tits. 657 00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:08.820 Do you know what I mean? 658 00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:10.619 The thorax is a different construction. 659 00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:22.320 And I think it's sort of played like Kevin Lindsay has got his hand on her neck as if that's her thorax because we didn't want to kind of make that subtext very obvious. 660 00:42:22.380 --> 00:42:30.659 And then we throw away the thorax line here by, you know, Dan Starkey gets to say it and it's kind of dumb and no one gets why that joke's funny, I think. 661 00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:36.179 Why was the season 12 production team shying away from Menace? 662 00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:38.159 Slayton at that point. 663 00:42:38.219 --> 00:42:38.820 I don't know. 664 00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:44.579 Not like they didn't, like, before and after that, like, 2 more seasons. 665 00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:49.199 Well, she was it was her 1st story and she was meant to be the women's lib character. 666 00:42:49.260 --> 00:42:50.820 So they're like, well, let's not grab her on the boot. 667 00:42:51.179 --> 00:42:54.539 That was their one concession towards his liberation. 668 00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:55.619 Yeah, it was a version. 669 00:42:55.739 --> 00:42:57.780 She's got a job and we won't grab her on the boob. 670 00:42:57.840 --> 00:42:59.039 That's our women's liberation. 671 00:42:59.099 --> 00:43:01.559 Why are the Santarin sexist here? 672 00:43:01.619 --> 00:43:09.300 Star is constantly talking about how terrible women are or this is a thing fit only for women or, you know, like why are they sexist? 673 00:43:09.420 --> 00:43:22.199 Well, I think that's, again, the military thing coming in, but I feel like the, I don't know, you've got female military officers, but that felt like a direction choice or a casting choice as opposed to anything being written. 674 00:43:22.260 --> 00:43:26.820 Oh, except for the kiss at the end of the next episode. 675 00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:29.219 But how much more interesting if they'd both been women? 676 00:43:29.219 --> 00:43:29.880 Yeah. 677 00:43:29.940 --> 00:43:32.579 If it had been Mike Yates kissing the brigadier at the end of the day. 678 00:43:32.579 --> 00:43:34.739 He's introduced to female Santarin. 679 00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:36.539 I mean how interesting would that have been? 680 00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:39.119 I have to think there's so many jokes about that, having there? 681 00:43:39.179 --> 00:43:41.159 Or am I just thinking of big finish where they talked about it? 682 00:43:41.219 --> 00:43:41.940 I think that's big finish. 683 00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:46.019 It's always gags about females on Torres. 684 00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:50.639 But I have to think there's something going on there because it's a female writer. 685 00:43:50.699 --> 00:43:54.059 I don't think you'd be defaulting to that with someone like Helen at the helm. 686 00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:58.139 So it's meant to be making a point, which is, I don't know, not appearing. 687 00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:01.619 Is it just throwing another sort of nasty characteristic at our alien? 688 00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:04.920 So we feel less bad when they get blown up next week. 689 00:44:04.980 --> 00:44:08.880 You kind of read the original kind of joke. 690 00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:10.739 Yeah, or line. 691 00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:15.480 Um, as the, the, the, the, is not necessarily being misogynist. 692 00:44:15.539 --> 00:44:17.340 They just don't understand. 693 00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:19.019 Well, they don't have one. 694 00:44:19.019 --> 00:44:19.860 Because that's their clients. 695 00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:25.260 And that would have been a much more interesting way of playing that. 696 00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:34.380 Yeah, no, I think he even says, does he say you have a sort of 2 gender system and it's very inefficient and you should get rid of it or something? 697 00:44:34.380 --> 00:44:35.940 Like he doesn't even know about sex? 698 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:41.099 But style has sort of bracing opinions about the inferiority of women for no reason at all. 699 00:44:41.219 --> 00:44:42.000 Just seems very strange. 700 00:44:42.059 --> 00:44:46.679 Maybe links made a report on Meg the serving wench and they take it. 701 00:44:47.579 --> 00:44:50.699 Although all that time he had Sarah chained up. 702 00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:55.739 It's yeah, I don't know. 703 00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:58.619 It's there's a lot of stuff to like in this episode. 704 00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:01.440 Like, there are some fun things, but... 705 00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:03.420 But in spite of the story. 706 00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:19.079 Yeah, like, you know, David Tennant gets kind of pushed to the side a little bit, so we don't have to see too much of him gurning and carrying on, but it's still, but you know, I think that's a bad thing for the episode because as much as David's not one of my favourite doctors. 707 00:45:19.139 --> 00:45:21.239 He was incredibly popular. 708 00:45:21.300 --> 00:45:26.880 Any episode where you're pushing your leading man who the audience loves to the side, you've got to question that. 709 00:45:26.940 --> 00:45:27.659 Yeah. 710 00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:28.980 He was very popular. 711 00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:30.659 And Donna... 712 00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:33.599 Well, Donna, I loved and she, you know, no one gets anything to do. 713 00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:34.920 This episode. 714 00:45:34.980 --> 00:45:39.659 And like all the guy that's that they've brought in is, you know, the faux brigadier. 715 00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:40.980 You're like, why? 716 00:45:40.980 --> 00:45:41.940 Let's talk about him next week. 717 00:45:42.000 --> 00:46:20.940 I've got lots to say Well, eliter, it looks like we're going to be trapped in this car for the next week, but we should be free by Sunday in time to contend with the poison sky. 718 00:46:21.179 --> 00:46:36.840 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts and you can keep up with us at Flightthrough Entirety on Facebook, at FTE Podcast on Twitter, and on our website, Flightthrough Entirety.com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger, and Jody into Terror. 719 00:46:36.900 --> 00:46:38.940 Where can people find you, Adam? 720 00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:41.280 Uh, Adamritchard.com.au. 721 00:46:41.340 --> 00:46:41.880 There you go. 722 00:46:41.940 --> 00:46:43.440 Everything goes there. 723 00:46:43.500 --> 00:46:44.099 Brilliant. 724 00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:47.280 So until next time, please try and get some sleep. 725 00:46:47.340 --> 00:46:50.940 Working 24 hours a day is clearly very bad for the heart. 726 00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:53.219 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 727 00:46:53.340 --> 00:46:54.000 Good night. 728 00:46:54.059 --> 00:46:54.719 See ya. 729 00:46:54.780 --> 00:46:55.260 Good night. 730 00:46:57.059 --> 00:47:03.480 That was Flight through Entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, Peter Griffiths, Adam Richard, and James Selwood. 731 00:47:03.539 --> 00:47:07.320 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, Strings performance by Jane Orberg. 732 00:47:07.380 --> 00:47:14.159 This episode, crossed that off the whiteboard, was recorded on the 8th of February 2020 and released on the 5th of April. 733 00:47:17.219 --> 00:47:22.860 If you're in lockdown, join us later this month for our simultaneous viewing of the Santaran stratagem. 734 00:47:22.980 --> 00:47:26.579 Time to coincide with the 12th anniversary of its 1st broadcast. 735 00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:30.000 We'll be tweeting on the hashtag, which one was this again? 736 00:47:30.780 --> 00:47:38.820 Okay, let's end, like, but with that lead into next week, because we are going to struggle to fill an episode. 737 00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:40.320 No, we're not. 738 00:47:40.380 --> 00:47:41.400 Alright. 739 00:47:41.460 --> 00:47:41.760 Okay. 740 00:47:41.820 --> 00:47:42.900 Let me close it. 741 00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:45.179 That was really... 742 00:47:45.179 --> 00:47:45.960 Yeah. 743 00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:47.940 It's the negative we've ever been, I think. 744 00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:49.199 Well, negative for a while. 745 00:47:49.260 --> 00:47:50.460 We have been negative before. 746 00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:52.199 I yelled about the massacre. 747 00:47:52.260 --> 00:47:52.860 You should have heard it. 748 00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:54.300 Because I tend to love everything. 749 00:47:54.659 --> 00:47:57.480 So do I, but I just, I don't know. 750 00:47:57.539 --> 00:48:01.920 It's the disappointment of boredom It's like, why didn't you do something with this? 751 00:48:01.980 --> 00:48:05.280 Put their mic up, just in case it ends up being tagged. 752 00:48:05.340 --> 00:48:07.199 It's the disappointment of boredom. 753 00:48:07.260 --> 00:48:09.539 You sort of sit there and think, there's plenty here. 754 00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:10.559 Why didn't you do something? 755 00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:12.300 I've been on board for that. 756 00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:14.039 I wouldn't just want to do the ironing to it. 757 00:48:14.099 --> 00:48:17.699 I'd want to sit and watch it, but this is the ultimate do the ironing episode. 758 00:48:17.820 --> 00:48:18.239 Yeah. 759 00:48:18.300 --> 00:48:20.940 All right, let me do an outro and then we'll do the next thing. 760 00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:25.800 Well, dear listener, it looks like we're going to be trapped in this car for the next week.