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Hello, dear listen, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety

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the only Doctor Who podcast that firmly believes we'd have a much

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better show if every cliffhanger was resolved by Sylvia Noble

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swinging an axe.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm James.

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I'm Peter.

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I'm Adam.

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Well, we've been stuck in this Peugeot 307 for a week now and it's

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starting to smell like an Australian summer in here.

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The air's unbreathable, the visibility's non-existent, and we're

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all going to suffocate from the fuse.

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Welcome to the Poison Sky.

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It was really, really resonant watching it this time.

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And this episode perhaps drives to be about something.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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And it's about cars and emissions.

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So we're told last week that Atmos causes cars to have 0 carbon

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emissions.

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Which is exciting.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well, that'd be a thing.

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You know, the original suggestion was that Atmos was originally

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supposed to be a chimney.

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Oh, yeah, a chimney attachment.

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That would be great. cars with chimneys on them.

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Is that what it is?

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Oh, okay.

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For your chimney.

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Yeah, so it's just going to be for upper middle class people.

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Right.

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And their chimneys.

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That worked.

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Right, right.

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They hadn't been bricked up. hadn't been bricked up and had a gas

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heater installed in them.

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Oh my god.

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Russell T. Davis. where does he live I genuinely thought it was

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cars with chimneys and I was absolutely on board.

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I would love it if it was about Eleanor of Aquitaine installing

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chimneys in all of her castles because she was the 1st one to do

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it because it was new technology back then and she lived in the

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south of France in like the 1100s and when she had to go off and

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be the queen in Paris.

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She was like, it's freezing here.

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And if you look at any of her castles, especially there's like 3

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fireplaces in the main room.

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So that will be in series 13.

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That's one of Gibnall's historicals.

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Yeah, going to Eleanor Aquitaine and her amazing interior

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decorating.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Only the most interesting parts of history visited.

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I'll be posting this clip to Vinay Patel.

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You're right.

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I love that episode.

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And I think the best thing about it is that even though we have

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this sort of cliffhanger where, in fact, it turns out, oh, well

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maybe Wilf is in danger because he's locked in a car with a fumes

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but it doesn't.

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But he just gets in there when it starts behaving badly, which is

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why?

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Why?

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Because you go to move it off the street.

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Well, he says he's going to move it off the street, but why is it

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on the street?

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Anyway.

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Surely you don't want to move your poison and missing car inside.

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Will's behaviour in this episode is very reminiscent of Sylvester

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McCloy climbing over a cliff to make an actual cliffhanger that

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doesn't need to happen.

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Yeah, I think that's right.

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But there is that great final shot.

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I do think the final shot of the doctor with his back to us

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turning around looking over his shoulder as the smoke sort of

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swirls in a sort of suburban street. completely defeated, has no

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idea how...

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It's good.

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I think that's a nice... because he's got a great silhouette.

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Yeah, tenet in the big coat.

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Like, it looks good in a smoke filled street.

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And Russell's someone who has said before that one of the

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important things is to give the doctor a silhouette.

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Yeah, because he's a cartoonist.

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Like, he draws him very simple shapes.

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Like, you know, in his head, I'm sure it's everything is in big

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bold colours and big, square, blocky shapes.

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Yeah, it's the opening titles of the Souess McCoy.

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Yeah.

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But, you know, that sort of supersaturated colour palette that you

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get in the RTD era.

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A bit more than Moffat.

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And you can see it in the next doctor.

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There's a scene that's kind of shot like a torchwood episode.

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And Russell in the commentary says, no, you know, that's not

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really our house style for Doctor Who.

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We have much steadyer cameras and much more kind of saturated

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colours.

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Hence all the all the purple. stuff here.

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Is that the one they shot an HD, but then didn't finish an HD?

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Because the next one was broadcast in HD.

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So I reckon they would have been using the HD cameras and then

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gone, oh, the effects shots have to be SD because they are 4 times

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more expensive to render 4 times higher.

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Yeah that would be right.

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And there's a lot of effects in that episode.

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And it doesn't go out in HD, Planet of the Dead is the 1st one

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that...

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So I reckon they've shot it in HD and been doing all the bells and

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whistles and trick, because you, one of the problems with, um, I

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remember like, uh, Kev Carline, who directed Wentworth and Outland

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my show, was talking to me when he was doing McLeod's Daughters.

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They wanted McLeod's daughters to be done in HD way back when, but

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it had all the problems of videotape and all of the problems of

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film, like too much definition and too difficult to fiddle about

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with.

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So they just went, let's just shoot McLeod's daughters in 16

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millimetre.

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Well, and it looks amazing.

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Yeah.

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You know, I think there are two big problems with Atmos in this

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episode.

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One is on a writing level and one's on a production level.

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I think it's not a functionally dramatic situation, having Atmos

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because even before you consider the science of it, People would

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have to be unconscious for there to be any real damage.

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And so even though they unleash it at the cliffhanger, it actually

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takes most of episode 2 for it to do any harm.

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And so you've got people wandering around it.

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You've got unit soldiers just standing around.

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There's the occasional cough, and so the peril is nil.

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Except that that's the peril that we experience this summer.

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You know, it's gradually going up to 80%.

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People are being told to stay indoors.

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People are avoiding urban areas where they're in cars.

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And we get these numbers being quoted.

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You know, it is going to go up to 80% and it starts to kill people

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in Tokyo, for instance.

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So I actually don't mind that because I think that that threat is

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more like the threat that it's trying to talk about.

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Also, there are older viewers in that audience who would have, as

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children, experienced the great smog.

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Oh, the murderous smog that killed the secretary in the crown.

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That's the only episode of the crown that I've seen.

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Isn't that the same smog that Ian ventures out of in Doctor Who

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and the Daleks novelisation?

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Yeah.

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Oil P Super.

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Well, you see, I think that's good.

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I mean, that's a good point, although it's a retroactive thing

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being applied to it.

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But it's still word peril.

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We don't see anyone actually in danger.

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We don't see anyone.

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Again, it's it's all down to the performances, but Sylvia and Wilf

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trying to put the towels at the door and he's he's putting the

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windows and they're trying to seal the house up and it's like they

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make it palpable, those two, because they're such great

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performers.

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But no one else in the episode seems to give 2 hoots.

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It's like, no, the cars have gone funny.

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That scene, though, I think that scene is so great.

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And I have to think it's Russell because Sylvia is so prickly and

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so unlikeable and she's really mean to Will and like bosses him

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around and stuff all the time.

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But here, he calls her my little girl and hugs her while she

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cries.

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It's so good.

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It's like the old couple on the Titanic who are hugging in the

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bed.

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It's like the, you know, when Stephanie Forrester from Bold and

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the Beautiful, has been left by Robert Wagner and the Towering

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Inferno like it is.

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It's just one of those.

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It's like a disaster movie moment where you just have those tiny

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little moments to go, well, we're now going to illustrate how

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terrible it is because we can't show everyone freaking out.

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Let's show a couple of decent actors freaking out.

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Which is really nice.

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I'm on board with this.

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But functionally, that is the problem again, with the production

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the production should be a wall of fog.

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Oh, yeah.

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It should be the web from the web of fair.

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It should be something which makes you feel like this is

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encroaching on their world, whereas actually it just looks like a

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little bit of mist fluting around.

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And this is why I think Douglas McKinnon was not a good choice for

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a director because like a director with enough Nouse would go

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let's not go outside.

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Like, I know it's cars, but let's do everything inside with bits

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of fog and just completely opaque windows.

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Well, like in that episode of The Crown, you know, where the fog

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is really, really thick. really, really oppressive.

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Because it's all shot indoors.

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It's too expensive to put old cars on the street.

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That's right.

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And there are, you know, the news footage. thing which they do

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which is a thing that I really like in the RTD era.

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He 1st does it, doesn't he, in the 2nd coming.

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In order to give it a sort of global scale.

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And they have a shot of Sydney Harbour.

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And there's a little bit of fog and you kind of think, wow, that

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would have actually counted as quite a nice day this summer in

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Sydney. man, it's been a horrific.

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But that day that it was raining and still, I couldn't breathe

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because it was smoky.

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That was the freakiest experience I've ever heard.

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And the rain was great.

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It was great, right?

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sludge pouring of the sky.

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Well, your car ended up covered in just sort of like dirt.

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Like, it wasn't even ash.

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Like there was also dirt from the outback. like the topsoil.

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And I was worried that I was going to get chlamydia of the lungs

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from breathing in all those burnt koalas.

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How did you get chlamydia?

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I like this.

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It was the koala.

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It was smoked koala.

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Barbeque.

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Did anyone notice as well that on that map that unit had showing

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sort of the outbreaks of Atmos?

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No New Zealand?

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New Guinea doesn't appear to have many cars.

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Well, it's all coder, isn't it?

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There's no row.

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They're mostly cheap.

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Or is that a commentary on the social... whether they can't afford

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atmos.

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Exactly, exactly.

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Or they've all gone fully electric.

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They're like way in the future.

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Actually, I think there was a modern day iteration of that old

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classic series trope where you have a needle, which is slowly

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climbing to 100 or whatever, and someone's going to blow up.

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But while it's on screen for 2 seconds, It's clearly covered half

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of the space it needs to.

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How do we ramp up the drama?

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Push the needle along, love.

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Shout out a bigger number.

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Put the needle on it.

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Oh, Danny.

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Maybe it is only something that works in retrospect, but one of

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the weird things about watching this Doctor Who from 10 years ago

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is that they mentioned climate change kind of over and over

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again.

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You know what is freaking me out is like the, so at the moment, I'm

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being inundated by La Trolls, who are all saying, Doctor Who's

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terrible now, it's just constantly shoving environmental messages

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down my throat and I'm like, dude, it's been doing that since the

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60s.

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That's not just a 2020 thing.

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Planet of Giant.

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Planet of Giants.

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Planet of the giant?

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The giants?

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Sorry. that now is the time.

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We need to have environmental messages thrust down other...

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I know, because we've been ignoring them for the last 50 years.

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Trolls are very anxious about their throats, though.

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Yeah, I know.

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Someone did, I wrote a tweet the other day saying, you know, being

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somewhat ironic, saying that when Doctor Who is going to have an

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environmental message, do we need a trigger warning for for the

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conservative cold loving snowflakes?

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What show have you been watching for the last 55 years?

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Don't watch science fiction?

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It's about progressiveness.

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Go and watch a Western.

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They're not progressive at all.

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They're shoot people.

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Well, I mean, that's, you know, that's the difference between sort

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of science fiction and science sort of fantasy.

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Yeah.

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So, so...

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Space opera.

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Sorry.

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You know, Star Wars is not really science fiction.

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No, it has it has knights, but swords.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Space dragons.

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It's a good and evil story.

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But like because...

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It's a Western.

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Yes, a space western.

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Because of its dominance in our sort of collective...

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Yeah, unconsciousness, unconsciousness, over the last 40 years.

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People think that that's science fiction.

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Well, I mean, I mean, Doctor Who is barely science fiction, but it

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does do the science fiction thing of using its nonsense to try and

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address something.

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And what we were complaining about last week is a kind of failure

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to do that last week didn't seem to be about anything.

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Here it is at least trying to address something.

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And then the resolution at the end is people stop using their cars

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and the world's a nicer place.

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You know, Sylvia's happy for the 1st time ever.

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And it's because people aren't using their cars and it's lovely

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outdoors, you know?

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But that's not going to last.

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Well, I'll revisit that idea in the forest of the night, weren't

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they?

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Oh, yes.

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Hooray.

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One of the things that I've loved about these 2 episodes has been

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the barest dimension of the 80s.

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Like, Donna almost putting a dint in the 80s, uh, with the

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TARDIS.

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It's like, well someone did.

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Maybe that's what caused the unit dating.

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Well, that, I mean, that's it, he goes, oh, yeah, I worked for

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unit in the 70s or the 80s.

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It's a bit muddy.

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Is this is this Russell trying to gently massage retroactively the

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bizarre dating that goes on?

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I mean, you know what?

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The whole problem is modern undead.

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That is the... which was meant to be Ian.

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Not the brigadier.

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You can tell, okay?

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Not that Russell could talk.

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I mean, his version of Doctor Who was always set one year in the

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future after mid-series one.

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That's what that's what those unit things do in the 60s, isn't

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it?

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I absolutely don't care because the unit stories didn't happen.

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They were just things on television.

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And so if they happened at any point, they happened when they were

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on television.

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And, you know, it does a near future thing because it's doing that

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sort of 60s style spi-fi stuff in the invasion and things.

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And so I think what Russell's doing is saying, chill the hell

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out.

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You know, like the 70s, the 80s, I'm playing with you now.

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It's not going to be ever resolved.

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I get that it's a concern to some people.

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The thing that they did, do you remember in Star Trek where they

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talked about the Klingons appearance changing?

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Oh, yes.

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Absolutely the best thing possible, which is to have wharf look a

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bit sheepish and say we do not like to talk about it.

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That is all you ever needed, and it was brilliant, but of course

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then in enterprise, when you had a fan running the show and it was

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being made for fans, they had to do a whole 2 passer all about...

349
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What happened to the Mars bars stuck to their head?

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meatloaf. absolutely terrible.

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Imagine what would happen if they ever brought wharf into Picard

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and we had to deal with the Klingons in Discovery.

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It's, yeah. that's confronting But I think the dent in the 80s is

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just a reference to Thatcher, surely.

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Well, yes.

356
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Possibly.

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Don't you think?

358
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Or is it the clothing, the hair.

359
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Either way, those jackets that could turn into a backpack.

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Smash hits magazine, whatever it was.

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The thing is, and I think this is one of the things that works

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about this story and it's probably Russell sort of, and Russell's

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great with chucking in references to the past without weighing

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down Doctor Who most of the time.

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You know, you've got these little sort of in jokes, the thorax.

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The thorax.

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Does that one is probably the one that lands the least well.

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Yes.

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But the whole mispronunciation...

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Oh, great.

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And we know the backstory, don't we?

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Yeah.

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So Kevin Lindsay's Australian.

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And Holmes intended it to be pronounced sauntering, but he's the

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one who goes, no, it's on time.

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I'm a bloody sontan.

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I'm from the bloody planet, I should know.

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It's funny you say that because we had in reference to Santarans

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in Outland, which, uh, so it's just, um, it's Christina New's

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character talking about one of the other lesbians because they've

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had the fight with the lesbians.

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She's gone, you know her.

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She looks like Santara.

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And but Christina new kept saying sauntering and we have to have

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to kept saying, no, it's from Doctor Who, it's Santara.

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So an Australian pronounced it as Saunterin. made me go, how true

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is this story?

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Was he laying on the accent when he was living in London going...

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All of this talk is triggering me with metabolis 3.

390
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So can we talk about the portrayal of unit in this story?

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Yes.

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I think it's meant to look very high take and impressive

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especially with that 1st Martha go, go, go scene where the lorries

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are rolling in.

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You've got all the soldiers in black with their red berries.

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And I think by the end of the story, they end up looking as

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ridiculous and homespun as 70s units.

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Yeah.

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I mean, there's that thing in dialogue about how it was all, it's

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now all very high tech and it used to be very homespun, but...

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I mean, we talked a little bit about this last week, but I'm...

402
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Just getting the truck from International Electromatics from...

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Does not a high tech make.

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And then obviously filming it in a building which is 3 times the

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size.

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I know it's where they go in the truck and I'm like, have they got

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TARDIS technology?

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I almost thought the sort of watching a bunch of soldiers directed

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by Dougie Canfield running around the Guinness factory felt more

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like a crack international organisation.

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Again, I think it's a failure of direction.

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Like the scenes where they're fighting with the Santarans and all

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shooting at one another.

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It's like occasionally you can see what's going on.

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I mean, having all the smog there means you can cut down on the

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number of actors you're shooting at.

417
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Unfortunately, we got the wrong Douglas.

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Can we also talk about the fact that there was a great opportunity

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in this story, which is entirely missed to introduce some new semi

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regular characters who would have been really fun to see interact

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with the doctor.

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So you've got basically a brigadier surrogate.

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You've got a sergeant Benton surrogate in Lovely Ross.

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The brigadier that they've got in, who was it?

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Colonel Mace's, that is, yeah.

426
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Yeah, that's his name. makes absolutely no impact at all.

427
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No.

428
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Zero I would have rather have Bambera back.

429
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Yeah.

430
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And she's not the best actor in the world, but I would have been

431
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happy to see her again.

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Or the character whose name I forget who shows up 1st in turn

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left.

434
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Oh, yeah.

435
00:21:10.619 --> 00:21:11.519
Who's brilliant?

436
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Yeah, she's really good.

437
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Is she the one that's implanted of the Dead?

438
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

439
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Yeah, why didn't we get hurt?

440
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Or do you think it's because this guy is so ineffectual.

441
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That they get someone a little bit more.

442
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They've gone, let's get it.

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I mean, it's not a great performance, I have to say.

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But he doesn't have anything to work with.

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There's no character there.

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And you think, surely this should have been one of the driving

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forces of this script.

448
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You're bringing back the return of unit. unit was about the people

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have a character who relates to Martha and the doctor and who you

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want to spend time with.

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Fill it with character rather than plot.

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Which is what actually your Moffatt pulls that off much better

453
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much better.

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Like, you know, he goes, and he only has 2 people in unit.

455
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And one of them is absolutely phoning it in.

456
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But because...

457
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But because of who she is, she's phoning it in really quite well.

458
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, she's absolutely sort of visibly uninterested in what's

460
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going on, I think.

461
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But that conception of unit is great.

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And then do we add Rebecca Front to unit later and various other

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things.

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Like it becomes, you know, women, which is kind of critical.

465
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I'm was frustrated with that Rebecca front.

466
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I get frustrated with a lot of the Moffatt guest stars because

467
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it's like, and I think it's starting to happen now with Gymnals

468
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like, we've got this person.

469
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It's like, great. give them something to do What are we gonna

470
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what's it?

471
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Oh, yeah, there's only 2 pages for them.

472
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They're all they're all info dumping.

473
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It's like David Warner on the submarine.

474
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Yeah, what's that called?

475
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Cold War.

476
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Why?

477
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Why have you got David Warner?

478
00:22:41.519 --> 00:22:44.940
Why have you wasted David Warner on being obsessed with Ultravox?

479
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I actually like that.

480
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That's the only good bit in the whole thing.

481
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It's like why is he there?

482
00:22:50.339 --> 00:22:53.819
Like, yeah, no, it's, again, McKinnon.

483
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Yeah.

484
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Cold War.

485
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Yeah.

486
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See, this is the 2nd time we've done this.

487
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I mean, battlefield, for all of the fact that it's maligned and

488
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it's maligned much more than it should be, does what this story

489
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does and then reintroduces a new unit.

490
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And it manages to populate the story with interesting characters

491
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like Bambera, Zabegnyev, and Pilate Lavelle.

492
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You know, people who you actually want to spend time with.

493
00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:18.059
Yeah, and when Lavell is killed.

494
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Yeah, it matters.

495
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It's gutting.

496
00:23:20.640 --> 00:23:24.000
Well, because the brigadier and her have spent something like 3

497
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weeks in a helicopter on the way from sort of London, and so

498
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they've really got to know one.

499
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That is a long helicopter.

500
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How could you miss the lesson of Battlefield, which is bring in

501
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characters who will relate to your characters.

502
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They're ready-made friends for the doctor.

503
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How do muck that up?

504
00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:46.799
Yeah, but I think that was, you know, they've insisted on having

505
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Martha.

506
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So it's like, well, she's got a character already.

507
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Not that they use her in the SM. so much in these episodes.

508
00:23:52.619 --> 00:23:57.660
And yeah, and may, look, maybe this is one of the failings of

509
00:23:57.660 --> 00:24:03.119
Rainer as a writer, like not creating interesting characters, but

510
00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:06.900
equally, I think it's McKinnon as a director, like not

511
00:24:06.900 --> 00:24:11.940
understanding how to direct a decent performance.

512
00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:14.940
Like, you know, the only time you get interesting characters in

513
00:24:14.940 --> 00:24:18.000
this characters who have been created before.

514
00:24:18.059 --> 00:24:21.119
Sylvia Wilf, Donna.

515
00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:22.200
I mean, right.

516
00:24:22.259 --> 00:24:25.920
Rayna did okay last year with the characters in the Dalek 2

517
00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:26.339
parter.

518
00:24:26.460 --> 00:24:28.500
That was one of the things we said, wasn't it, Nathan?

519
00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:30.119
That the characters were one of the standout points.

520
00:24:30.180 --> 00:24:33.660
But it may just be because those are not this soldier, this

521
00:24:33.660 --> 00:24:36.900
soldier, this soldier, this soldier, but showgirl, you know, poor

522
00:24:36.900 --> 00:24:40.740
guy, wise man, you know, like you've got a whole different set of

523
00:24:40.740 --> 00:24:42.180
things to do.

524
00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:44.160
And then you, the actors inhabited.

525
00:24:44.220 --> 00:24:46.740
But maybe part of that is that, you know, she's writing

526
00:24:46.740 --> 00:24:48.900
caricatures, not characters.

527
00:24:48.900 --> 00:24:53.279
And because you're right. this soldier, this soldier, this soldier

528
00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:53.700
this soldier.

529
00:24:53.819 --> 00:24:54.779
How do you differentiate that?

530
00:24:54.900 --> 00:24:55.680
Well, easily.

531
00:24:55.740 --> 00:24:57.539
You go like, well, this soldier likes football.

532
00:24:57.660 --> 00:24:59.519
That soldier is into cake baking.

533
00:24:59.579 --> 00:25:02.400
Like, you know, you just give them character.

534
00:25:02.460 --> 00:25:04.319
You give them things to talk about.

535
00:25:04.380 --> 00:25:08.220
But because you've got so many things to tick off your whiteboard

536
00:25:08.220 --> 00:25:09.180
checklist.

537
00:25:09.240 --> 00:25:11.160
You don't have time for that.

538
00:25:11.220 --> 00:25:14.759
And in fact, there's that kiss between Price and Mace at the very

539
00:25:14.759 --> 00:25:17.339
end, which I think is really cool and the reaction to it is

540
00:25:17.339 --> 00:25:17.579
great.

541
00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:19.500
They're sort of slightly embarrassed or whatever.

542
00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:21.000
But who cares?

543
00:25:21.059 --> 00:25:23.279
All she's done is a countdown.

544
00:25:23.339 --> 00:25:24.240
I know.

545
00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:25.980
She's had little...

546
00:25:25.980 --> 00:25:28.079
Corporal Bell had better dialogue back in the...

547
00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:29.640
Corporal Bell.

548
00:25:29.700 --> 00:25:32.940
Don't we miss the days of Corporal Bell, Mike Yeats, facing off

549
00:25:32.940 --> 00:25:35.039
against, you know, 3 Daleks in Bessie?

550
00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:43.500
You know, apparently Jenkins was named after that line in the

551
00:25:43.500 --> 00:25:43.980
demon.

552
00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:44.339
Oh, yeah.

553
00:25:44.460 --> 00:25:45.960
Sorry, in the demons?

554
00:25:46.019 --> 00:25:47.220
How are we gonna pronounce that?

555
00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:48.779
like you do the Latin?

556
00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:49.799
Yeah, we...

557
00:25:49.799 --> 00:25:52.200
Pertuy changes his mind halfway through the episode.

558
00:25:52.259 --> 00:25:57.660
Also, someone was telling me that, like, Latin, like, so there's

559
00:25:57.660 --> 00:26:00.359
no agreed pronunciation, like, I think it might have been even a

560
00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:03.420
John Lecaro, where it said, like, if depending which private

561
00:26:03.420 --> 00:26:06.900
school you went to, is how you pronounce things in Latin.

562
00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:10.980
So in the 19th century, people speaking Latin to each other from

563
00:26:10.980 --> 00:26:13.500
different European countries couldn't understand one another.

564
00:26:13.559 --> 00:26:17.700
But there is a kind of standard pronunciation agreed on here.

565
00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:21.539
And when David Tennant says what I would say was Dawn I Noby's

566
00:26:21.539 --> 00:26:24.779
Parkam, he does church Latin version of that.

567
00:26:24.900 --> 00:26:29.039
So that's Donna Noble's name was always a Christmas joke, wasn't

568
00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:29.220
it?

569
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:30.420
For Runaway Bride.

570
00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:33.000
And then it just sort of sticks, but it gets referenced here.

571
00:26:33.059 --> 00:26:38.400
And I actually quite like, um, we had reservations about this

572
00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:42.240
scene last week because Donna's too scared or something or too

573
00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:46.079
unsure of her own competence, but remember the scene where, yeah

574
00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:50.339
the scene where she's talking to the doctor on the phone and going

575
00:26:50.339 --> 00:26:53.700
out and disabling the teleport or whatever or re-enabling it.

576
00:26:53.759 --> 00:26:57.420
I think part of the problem with that scene, like, yes, she should

577
00:26:57.420 --> 00:26:59.519
have more agency and she shouldn't be that scared.

578
00:26:59.579 --> 00:27:06.539
But on paper and in, and what has been verbal in this episode is

579
00:27:06.539 --> 00:27:11.700
that the Santarians are an absolutely ruthless, terrifying race of

580
00:27:11.700 --> 00:27:12.119
people.

581
00:27:12.180 --> 00:27:14.339
Like the doctor has been on about that.

582
00:27:14.460 --> 00:27:17.220
Like you can't kill them with bullets, you can't shoot nuclear

583
00:27:17.220 --> 00:27:17.880
weapons at them.

584
00:27:17.940 --> 00:27:20.819
They are the most vicious fighters in the universe.

585
00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:26.460
So that's been said, but it's all been tell don't show, which is a

586
00:27:26.460 --> 00:27:27.420
sin in television.

587
00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:28.319
Word peril.

588
00:27:28.380 --> 00:27:28.799
Yeah.

589
00:27:28.859 --> 00:27:33.779
And we haven't seen them do anything other than throw shade at a

590
00:27:33.779 --> 00:27:35.220
teenager that runs a website.

591
00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:39.599
That's been the worst thing they did last week Well, they did

592
00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:40.680
shoot 2 guys in the leg.

593
00:27:40.740 --> 00:27:44.160
It is exactly the opposite of what they're supposed to be.

594
00:27:44.220 --> 00:27:48.299
Yeah, they should be horrific, you know, martial creatures and

595
00:27:48.299 --> 00:27:52.319
they're so like writing wise, of course she should be more

596
00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:53.819
reticent than anything else she's done.

597
00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:58.140
But because we haven't seen anything, any evidence of their

598
00:27:58.140 --> 00:28:03.599
horrific behaviour, it feels unsatisfying that she's not prepared

599
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:05.880
to go out there, but she's been told.

600
00:28:05.940 --> 00:28:07.380
Well, absolutely.

601
00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:10.619
But also, there is one scene, I think, in this episode where it is

602
00:28:10.619 --> 00:28:13.740
quite nasty, and it's the scene where the unit soldiers are

603
00:28:13.740 --> 00:28:17.099
massacred, and that's a setup for later on when they fight back.

604
00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:18.660
But it really is quite nasty.

605
00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:21.180
You see, a lot of people screaming and dying.

606
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:23.279
And that's unusual for Russell's Doctor Who.

607
00:28:23.339 --> 00:28:24.180
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

608
00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:28.019
Oh, just unusual for unit in general, because unit episodes

609
00:28:28.019 --> 00:28:29.400
generally no one can shoot straight.

610
00:28:29.460 --> 00:28:29.940
Yeah.

611
00:28:29.940 --> 00:28:31.079
On either side.

612
00:28:32.220 --> 00:28:39.299
But that would have worked if Donna had been in those scenes or

613
00:28:39.299 --> 00:28:43.140
experienced those scenes, but there's a disconnect there, like

614
00:28:43.140 --> 00:28:45.000
she's heard a lot, but she hasn't seen it.

615
00:28:45.059 --> 00:28:50.880
If she had witnessed these people being massacred, her fear would

616
00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:51.900
have been justified.

617
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:54.599
Also, Dan Rosti firsthand.

618
00:28:54.660 --> 00:28:58.859
Also, the internal logic of the episode is bad because it starts

619
00:28:58.859 --> 00:29:00.900
with her flying the Tartars.

620
00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:02.579
It's like, oh, I'm good at this now.

621
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:06.359
And then it ends with her being afraid to leave the target. you're

622
00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:08.759
like, well, you've written yourself in a circle there.

623
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:11.640
So clearly the flying the TARDIS thing is added.

624
00:29:11.700 --> 00:29:15.240
I'm saying that's Russell, and that it's part of the ongoing arc

625
00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:17.640
to make the doctor and Donna the same.

626
00:29:17.700 --> 00:29:21.420
And so it is just there for that reason, don't you think?

627
00:29:21.539 --> 00:29:23.400
And you have the doctor saying, I can't believe you're doing

628
00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:23.640
this.

629
00:29:23.700 --> 00:29:28.140
That plot with Donna, I think, gets maybe 2 points.

630
00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:33.299
And one is the phone call when she calls Wilf and Sylvia.

631
00:29:33.299 --> 00:29:36.299
And Sylvia's 1st instinct is to put her down.

632
00:29:36.359 --> 00:29:40.980
Yeah, you know, accuse her of being too smart and all of that.

633
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:45.299
And then she catches herself and it's like a proper supportive

634
00:29:45.299 --> 00:29:45.839
phone call.

635
00:29:45.900 --> 00:29:49.980
But her 1st instinct is to be nasty to Donna, and I think that

636
00:29:49.980 --> 00:29:53.579
characterisation and giving Donna that relationship with her

637
00:29:53.579 --> 00:29:56.940
mother is another part of like recreating her character to be

638
00:29:56.940 --> 00:30:01.019
something interesting enough to hold 13 episodes.

639
00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:02.940
Do you think there's a contrast?

640
00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:04.920
It's not particularly well drawn, but there's contrast there

641
00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:06.599
between the doctor building Donner up.

642
00:30:06.660 --> 00:30:07.200
You can do this.

643
00:30:07.259 --> 00:30:09.299
You can fly tires, you're all brilliant.

644
00:30:09.420 --> 00:30:12.660
And then she speaks to her mum and her mum brings her back again.

645
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:13.799
I think that's good.

646
00:30:13.859 --> 00:30:16.140
And then I do think the other one is just that bit at the end

647
00:30:16.140 --> 00:30:20.400
where she says they've seen me and just her performance there.

648
00:30:20.460 --> 00:30:21.539
I think is really good.

649
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:22.799
I'm very excited.

650
00:30:22.859 --> 00:30:25.799
You know, the big finish of doing a Donna box set.

651
00:30:25.859 --> 00:30:28.140
I want to know when big finish are going to do a box set about the

652
00:30:28.140 --> 00:30:31.200
American news reader because she's in so many of these roses.

653
00:30:31.259 --> 00:30:33.599
She should have her own box set.

654
00:30:33.660 --> 00:30:34.200
Surely.

655
00:30:34.259 --> 00:30:36.240
Trinity Wells Reports.

656
00:30:36.539 --> 00:30:39.839
Just say it twice more, James, and you'll get it.

657
00:30:42.900 --> 00:30:43.859
Do you want me to?

658
00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:44.339
No.

659
00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:48.359
How about we have a unit box set with our unit characters from

660
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:48.720
this story?

661
00:30:48.779 --> 00:30:51.660
Oh, I hate to listen to that. you imagine?

662
00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:53.099
You don't even have to watch.

663
00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:53.640
Just listen.

664
00:30:53.700 --> 00:30:59.460
What was that thing that Josh Snares posted the other day?

665
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:07.740
Oh, um... of Martha and Malpha.

666
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:09.480
And apparently Martha's doing a box set.

667
00:31:09.539 --> 00:31:12.660
I know, I saw there was a thing the other day.

668
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:15.779
You know how they find these things out because idiots put it on

669
00:31:15.779 --> 00:31:18.180
their CB months before.

670
00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:22.619
And yeah, someone has is in the Toclophane stories.

671
00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:26.279
Oh, it's going to be all about Martha Wandering the World, telling

672
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:26.759
her story.

673
00:31:26.819 --> 00:31:28.140
I mean, there'd been 4 books of that.

674
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:29.519
Now they're going to...

675
00:31:29.579 --> 00:31:33.359
And that's, that's a, well, that could probably work quite well

676
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:35.579
going to in audio.

677
00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:36.599
Yeah.

678
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:40.019
And look, I mean, I love Freema.

679
00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:40.980
She's great.

680
00:31:40.980 --> 00:31:41.940
Not well used this season.

681
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:42.420
No.

682
00:31:42.420 --> 00:31:45.660
But she was great in Series 3.

683
00:31:45.900 --> 00:31:50.220
She has had a very successful career since.

684
00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:51.839
She's a good actor.

685
00:31:51.900 --> 00:31:54.180
And you know, that might be at the heart of the biggest

686
00:31:54.180 --> 00:31:56.819
disappointment about this story, is that Martha is really good.

687
00:31:56.819 --> 00:31:59.880
And Martha was important to the audience and then she's brought

688
00:31:59.880 --> 00:32:03.900
back and laid low that they don't do a lot with her.

689
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:08.339
I mean, as much as I hate the storyline with FO Martha pressing

690
00:32:08.339 --> 00:32:09.599
the button over and over.

691
00:32:09.660 --> 00:32:14.279
That scene where she talks to herself is glorious.

692
00:32:14.339 --> 00:32:18.660
Like technically that is a difficult scene to play because you are

693
00:32:18.660 --> 00:32:20.039
talking to someone who's not there.

694
00:32:20.099 --> 00:32:23.700
Like you can't even play off the person, like it's a stand-in

695
00:32:23.700 --> 00:32:24.000
obviously.

696
00:32:24.059 --> 00:32:28.259
But she plays both of those characters in such distinctly

697
00:32:28.259 --> 00:32:33.059
different ways that you do go, oh, this is this clone Martha is

698
00:32:33.059 --> 00:32:37.500
sad at what she's had to do and the life that she's been given.

699
00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:41.640
And the other Martha is like, it is a really beautiful, beautiful

700
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:42.420
moment.

701
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:46.859
And you get to see Freema Adjumen doing something that she's not

702
00:32:46.859 --> 00:32:50.579
been allowed to do in the whole rest of her time on the show, which

703
00:32:50.579 --> 00:32:51.660
is act.

704
00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:55.740
She'll get kind of acting moments next week, but they'll be

705
00:32:55.740 --> 00:32:56.160
stupid.

706
00:32:56.519 --> 00:33:02.220
So you have to think that that scene is kind of let's give Freeman

707
00:33:02.220 --> 00:33:05.339
something, you know, like something to do.

708
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:07.859
I mean, the fact, the fact that, you know, I mean, you're going to

709
00:33:07.859 --> 00:33:08.640
talk about this next week.

710
00:33:08.700 --> 00:33:13.140
But the fact that she manages to carry half an episode talking to

711
00:33:13.140 --> 00:33:17.160
a bubble machine is incredible.

712
00:33:17.220 --> 00:33:21.480
Like anyone else could have made that as stupid as it looks, but

713
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:25.140
she endows it with a lot more gravitas than it actually needs.

714
00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:26.819
Same as when she's being shot off into the sun.

715
00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:27.480
Yeah.

716
00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:29.339
But 42.

717
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:32.700
Like, she's so good in those in that episode that you're just like

718
00:33:32.700 --> 00:33:35.880
this could have been the worst thing that ever happened in this

719
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:40.859
show and she drags it back down to a level that it is not as dumb

720
00:33:40.859 --> 00:33:41.400
as it looks.

721
00:33:41.460 --> 00:33:42.119
Yeah.

722
00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:45.779
But I have to think that someone on the production team hates her

723
00:33:45.779 --> 00:33:49.079
because he or she's like covered in KY.

724
00:33:49.140 --> 00:33:52.319
Next week she's flailing about in mud.

725
00:33:52.380 --> 00:33:56.220
She's got ageing makeup on torchwood this season.

726
00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:58.980
Like, she really, it's...

727
00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:00.720
It's not that anyone hates her.

728
00:34:00.779 --> 00:34:02.460
It's because they know she can do it.

729
00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:07.140
Like, I'm friends with Kimberly Cooper, who used to be on Home and

730
00:34:07.140 --> 00:34:10.679
Away, and she went through a period where I think she was a

731
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:11.460
lesbian.

732
00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:16.619
She was possibly raped and held by terrorists, like all within the

733
00:34:16.619 --> 00:34:18.300
space of about 8 weeks.

734
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:20.280
And I was like, why do they keep making you do this?

735
00:34:20.340 --> 00:34:22.679
And she's like, because the other richest can't.

736
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:28.079
It's like they write a storyline for, say, you know, Bet can't

737
00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:29.039
write Nee Hewitt.

738
00:34:29.340 --> 00:34:33.360
And then they go, oh, she actually can't do this.

739
00:34:33.420 --> 00:34:36.900
And whereas with Freeman, it's like, yeah, let's put her through

740
00:34:36.900 --> 00:34:38.219
the ringer because she can do it.

741
00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:40.079
Like, we can trust her to do this.

742
00:34:40.139 --> 00:34:43.559
Like she's a decent actor and we can just throw anything at her

743
00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:45.420
and she's like, yep. mud.

744
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:45.840
I'm in.

745
00:34:45.900 --> 00:34:47.159
I mean, I can do mud.

746
00:34:47.219 --> 00:34:50.280
Let's not forget the greatest indignity foisted upon her wearing

747
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:52.320
that brown jacket for episodes on end.

748
00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:53.880
I love watching that.

749
00:35:07.260 --> 00:35:11.579
Can we talk about another fine acting performance?

750
00:35:11.940 --> 00:35:13.559
Luke.

751
00:35:13.619 --> 00:35:16.380
Everyone hates Luke, don't they?

752
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:17.280
Are they right?

753
00:35:17.340 --> 00:35:17.699
Yeah.

754
00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:19.440
Luke Brannagan.

755
00:35:19.500 --> 00:35:20.519
Did you say Brannigan?

756
00:35:20.579 --> 00:35:20.880
Yeah.

757
00:35:20.940 --> 00:35:22.260
No, Ratican.

758
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:23.880
No, I call him Brattigan, right?

759
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:26.400
He's like a 12 year old.

760
00:35:26.460 --> 00:35:28.800
I keep money to call him Terence for some reason.

761
00:35:28.860 --> 00:35:29.880
It's the playwright.

762
00:35:29.940 --> 00:35:31.139
Taron's ready.

763
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:36.059
Well, Radigan's like a recycled name because that was the original

764
00:35:36.059 --> 00:35:39.659
name of the foster...

765
00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:40.260
Oh, yeah, yeah.

766
00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:41.639
She was originally misreading it.

767
00:35:41.699 --> 00:35:42.960
Well, in the script, she was misreading.

768
00:35:43.019 --> 00:35:43.320
Right.

769
00:35:43.380 --> 00:35:46.619
It's a pointless character.

770
00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:48.960
It's a thoughtless performance.

771
00:35:49.019 --> 00:35:54.960
It's like why the Santarans were even, you know, lowering

772
00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:58.860
themselves to spend time with him, let alone join in whatever this

773
00:35:58.860 --> 00:35:59.760
mysterious plan is.

774
00:35:59.820 --> 00:36:03.179
And so he has a chip on his shoulder because he's very smart and

775
00:36:03.179 --> 00:36:07.440
people were mean to him and it causes him to behave in a way that

776
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:10.019
is just absolutely incomprehensible.

777
00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:13.980
Oh my god, the running terrible joke about the Atmos system.

778
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:16.500
It can't be system, because the Astanstra system.

779
00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:19.380
Yeah, people who go crazy about the ATM machine.

780
00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:20.159
Yeah, yeah.

781
00:36:20.219 --> 00:36:25.440
And I wrote a thing for hard quiz about DC comics because DC

782
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:26.519
stands for detective comics.

783
00:36:26.579 --> 00:36:29.219
So it's technically detective comics comics.

784
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:32.219
In fact, it's just a normal thing that happens in English all the

785
00:36:32.219 --> 00:36:32.400
time.

786
00:36:32.460 --> 00:36:37.199
But it's also like David Tennant correcting his use of was instead

787
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:40.559
of were, which, as far as I'm concerned, is perfectly reasonable

788
00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:41.519
English and shut up.

789
00:36:41.579 --> 00:36:43.440
Yeah, I get...

790
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:46.380
No, it's not. point of that scene, but it's kind of witless the

791
00:36:46.380 --> 00:36:47.099
way it...

792
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:48.059
Well, yeah, yeah.

793
00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:51.719
But, well, it's a script written by a script editor.

794
00:36:51.780 --> 00:36:52.260
Yeah.

795
00:36:52.260 --> 00:36:55.619
So, of course, it's about, oh, well, I'm going to write a scene

796
00:36:55.619 --> 00:36:58.079
about all the things I've had to correct from all these scripts

797
00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:00.900
over the years, so, my lord, the things that are in these scripts

798
00:37:00.900 --> 00:37:01.199
are terrible.

799
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:04.260
It's the thing where you mistake levels of formality for

800
00:37:04.260 --> 00:37:07.800
correctness and incorrectness. just annoys me enormously.

801
00:37:08.460 --> 00:37:13.019
And the script itself makes it clear that his reaction is stupid

802
00:37:13.019 --> 00:37:17.460
because he surrounded himself by geniuses, who he...

803
00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:18.000
Yes.

804
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:18.659
Yes.

805
00:37:18.780 --> 00:37:19.980
Reggie.

806
00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:20.400
Yes, yeah.

807
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:21.659
This weird cult that is later.

808
00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:27.360
He thinks that they're going to be Ruth and Adam in invasion of

809
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:28.019
the dinosaur.

810
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:29.579
It's a far better story.

811
00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:30.719
I know.

812
00:37:30.780 --> 00:37:32.880
Like the Golden Dawn thing is fascinating.

813
00:37:32.940 --> 00:37:34.860
But what is he doing?

814
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:39.659
No, so he thinks that they're going to stand there and watch their

815
00:37:39.659 --> 00:37:43.559
families all suffocate and then happily go off with him to join

816
00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:46.199
his carefully worked out breeding program.

817
00:37:46.260 --> 00:37:50.820
And like, it's not really played for laughs or anything like

818
00:37:50.820 --> 00:37:51.119
that.

819
00:37:51.179 --> 00:37:52.440
It's super weird.

820
00:37:52.860 --> 00:37:55.800
And what's with this breeding programming?

821
00:37:55.860 --> 00:37:57.239
He's evidently a gay.

822
00:37:57.719 --> 00:37:59.639
Well, he's breeding them.

823
00:37:59.940 --> 00:38:03.599
There's a strange lapse of logic here because in the 1st episode

824
00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:06.239
1st scene when they're throwing out that journalist, they look

825
00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:07.260
brainwashed or something.

826
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:08.880
They look like his private army.

827
00:38:08.940 --> 00:38:10.559
They don't have any emotional faces.

828
00:38:10.619 --> 00:38:14.340
And yet in this episode, they just look like normal people who've

829
00:38:14.340 --> 00:38:17.340
been standing at their benches in a laboratory developing ion

830
00:38:17.340 --> 00:38:18.179
drives or whatever.

831
00:38:18.420 --> 00:38:21.179
Yeah, we don't even get their own laboratories.

832
00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:22.980
They're all just in adjacent tables.

833
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:25.199
Some of them have got test tubes.

834
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:26.760
That's fine, yeah.

835
00:38:26.820 --> 00:38:29.579
But suddenly they're real people going, what the hell are you

836
00:38:29.579 --> 00:38:29.820
doing?

837
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:31.019
And the 2 don't mesh up.

838
00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:31.920
No, no.

839
00:38:31.980 --> 00:38:35.639
I mean, it's almost, again, I'm going to blame a director who goes

840
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:37.980
oh yeah, there's hypnotised people in this episode, so you're all

841
00:38:37.980 --> 00:38:38.699
hypnotised.

842
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:42.179
Like not having read the entire script or not having it in his

843
00:38:42.179 --> 00:38:45.960
because part of a director's job is to know the entire script

844
00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:49.139
backwards and forwards and to know how one scene relates to

845
00:38:49.139 --> 00:38:51.780
another, even if you're filming completely out of order.

846
00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:55.860
So he should know that these are not the same hypnotised people as

847
00:38:55.860 --> 00:38:56.760
work at the factory.

848
00:38:56.820 --> 00:38:58.980
But maybe that wasn't spelled out enough in this group.

849
00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:02.579
So he's the Peter Moffatt of the...

850
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:04.559
Well, he does go on to direct things like listen.

851
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:06.960
Yeah.

852
00:39:07.260 --> 00:39:10.679
Again, the monster popping up from the bed.

853
00:39:10.739 --> 00:39:12.360
How was that an imaginary monster?

854
00:39:13.139 --> 00:39:15.000
Let's not talk about this.

855
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:17.219
I think Radikan is a difficult character to get on board with

856
00:39:17.219 --> 00:39:18.780
because no one likes a boy genius.

857
00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:23.579
No one learned the Wesley Crusher lesson at the Adrick.

858
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:25.260
Well, absolutely.

859
00:39:25.380 --> 00:39:26.760
Oh my god, he's that drink.

860
00:39:26.820 --> 00:39:29.400
He's sort of smug and he's ratty.

861
00:39:29.460 --> 00:39:30.840
Why is he American?

862
00:39:30.900 --> 00:39:33.480
Do you think it's just startup culture?

863
00:39:33.539 --> 00:39:36.659
Like it's kind of like he invented a search engine so he's

864
00:39:36.659 --> 00:39:37.500
American for some reason?

865
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:38.460
Why?

866
00:39:38.460 --> 00:39:39.360
Why can't I?

867
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:39.840
Why wouldn't?

868
00:39:40.619 --> 00:39:42.719
Why has he gone to England?

869
00:39:42.780 --> 00:39:45.179
Like, he, that guy's not American, is he?

870
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:45.840
He's British.

871
00:39:45.900 --> 00:39:46.920
He's doing an accent.

872
00:39:46.980 --> 00:39:48.659
Not well.

873
00:39:48.719 --> 00:39:50.699
Well, you know who he is?

874
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:55.199
He's the fictional forerunner to that guy, Martin Schrelli.

875
00:39:55.260 --> 00:39:56.039
I think his name.

876
00:39:56.099 --> 00:39:59.099
Yeah, who took over the company and like, which made a

877
00:39:59.099 --> 00:40:03.480
toxoplasmosis drug and then hiked up the price by 1500% or

878
00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:06.599
something and said, well, my investors expect to return and was

879
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:08.699
basically the most hated man.

880
00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:11.460
And he was the one who bought the Wu-Tang Clan album that he was

881
00:40:11.460 --> 00:40:12.300
only one copy of.

882
00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:12.599
Yes.

883
00:40:12.659 --> 00:40:13.139
Yes, yes.

884
00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:14.099
Is he in jail now?

885
00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:15.059
He's in jail on it.

886
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:15.900
Hooray.

887
00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:21.059
So he was someone who was smug and annoying and ratty faced and

888
00:40:21.059 --> 00:40:23.820
you know, thought that they were better than everybody else.

889
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:25.860
And so that's the kind of character we're going for here.

890
00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:31.440
However, having said that, I remember not being particularly sold

891
00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:33.780
on Ryan Sampson's performance and I am now.

892
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:37.679
I think he is doing by far the best job you could do with that

893
00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:37.980
character.

894
00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:43.440
He's annoying and he's abrasive and he's vulnerable and it is a

895
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:46.199
weird choice of accent, but I quite like it because it makes the

896
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:47.219
character more annoying.

897
00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:51.179
And I think no one could have done better with that character.

898
00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:54.239
But it does feel like we said yesterday, or yesterday, last

899
00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:58.800
episode, the last week, last week, when it's like a Sarah Jane

900
00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:01.679
Adventures character, like it's too broad.

901
00:41:01.739 --> 00:41:06.000
Yeah, but I think sometimes some of the underplaying that we get

902
00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:09.659
elsewhere, some of the forgettable characters elsewhere in this

903
00:41:09.659 --> 00:41:11.940
story, that's a worse sin.

904
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:14.519
I think than what Radican does, probably.

905
00:41:14.579 --> 00:41:16.980
Yeah, I think the story would be much worse off without his

906
00:41:16.980 --> 00:41:20.039
performance because he brings a much naked colour. a failure of

907
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:20.280
direction.

908
00:41:20.340 --> 00:41:22.260
It's like he should have been reined in.

909
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:26.340
Some of the others should have been encouraged to, you know, jump

910
00:41:26.340 --> 00:41:30.659
in with both feet and it's instead we just get this weird, Oh yeah

911
00:41:30.659 --> 00:41:32.280
whatever you're doing on the day will be fine.

912
00:41:32.340 --> 00:41:36.659
I think if he was reined in, then he would completely disappear in

913
00:41:36.659 --> 00:41:37.980
the scenes against David Tennant.

914
00:41:38.219 --> 00:41:42.300
Surely he's having a competition with Chris Ryan.

915
00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:44.280
Chris Ryan and David Tennant.

916
00:41:44.340 --> 00:41:46.920
I'm surprised there's any scenery left.

917
00:41:47.099 --> 00:41:50.340
Well, see, I actually don't think he's that over the top.

918
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:51.780
I really don't.

919
00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:55.260
I think he's doing what the character is calling for him to do

920
00:41:55.260 --> 00:41:57.480
which is a big ask of any actor.

921
00:41:57.539 --> 00:42:02.099
But I think he's actually pitching those scenes quite well because

922
00:42:02.099 --> 00:42:05.099
a defining aspect of this character is meant to be that he thinks

923
00:42:05.099 --> 00:42:09.480
he's cleverer than anyone else and gets extremely agitated if

924
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:11.039
someone points out that he's not.

925
00:42:11.099 --> 00:42:13.739
So when things start to get away from his control, he just becomes

926
00:42:13.739 --> 00:42:14.760
petulant child.

927
00:42:14.820 --> 00:42:18.780
I'm not sure that was a great idea at the scripting stage, but you

928
00:42:18.780 --> 00:42:19.619
can't put it on Ryan.

929
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:20.340
I think he does well.

930
00:42:20.460 --> 00:42:23.820
And also, he's in plebs, as Grumio.

931
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:26.400
And he is fantastic.

932
00:42:26.400 --> 00:42:27.960
He's really good in...

933
00:42:28.019 --> 00:42:30.059
He's in a couple of big finishes and he's really good in that.

934
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:31.619
He's great at comedy.

935
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:33.179
Yeah, he's a good actor.

936
00:42:33.239 --> 00:42:36.480
It's just, this is a thankless, as you say, a thankless role and

937
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:38.699
it's a nightmare of a character.

938
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:44.820
It's just not like he's too annoying to be like this is the thing

939
00:42:44.820 --> 00:42:48.719
that annoys me in this episode is like everyone is painted in such

940
00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:51.300
broad strokes that we get nothing.

941
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:56.340
I think it was a strange character to go for at the conceptual

942
00:42:56.340 --> 00:42:56.820
stage.

943
00:42:56.880 --> 00:42:58.920
Maybe something better would have been a Donald Trump Jr.

944
00:42:58.980 --> 00:43:04.679
You need someone who's got militaristic entitled tendencies who

945
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:07.679
would see something like the Santarians as a key to power.

946
00:43:07.739 --> 00:43:09.900
Yeah, yeah. like a venture capitalist.

947
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:11.219
Listen to this, Donald Trump Jr.

948
00:43:11.699 --> 00:43:14.699
He is very rarely linked to the factory.

949
00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:19.380
Like, I don't see like the unit go to the factory to investigate

950
00:43:19.380 --> 00:43:22.380
this machine, which supposedly has something to do with him.

951
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:23.579
He maybe invented it.

952
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:24.119
Who knows?

953
00:43:24.179 --> 00:43:26.159
But we never get that connection.

954
00:43:26.219 --> 00:43:29.519
Like we never have the what ties them together apart from that

955
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:30.840
scene with a journalist right at the start.

956
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:31.500
Yeah.

957
00:43:31.500 --> 00:43:34.320
And then we never hear from him being involved at all.

958
00:43:34.380 --> 00:43:37.019
Next thing, he's trying to go to another planet and he's hanging

959
00:43:37.019 --> 00:43:37.800
out with some tyrants.

960
00:43:37.860 --> 00:43:44.039
There's a single line from general style about we only needed you

961
00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:46.679
for the Atmos technology.

962
00:43:46.739 --> 00:43:47.460
That's it.

963
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:50.760
That's like literally the script just ties them together but going

964
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:52.500
yeah, he created this thing and they used him.

965
00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:53.340
Yeah.

966
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:56.519
And, and you know, that that collection of geniuses that were

967
00:43:56.519 --> 00:43:59.760
going to another planet, the Santarans just expected to just shoot

968
00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:00.900
them all on arrival.

969
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:03.000
So what even is that?

970
00:44:03.059 --> 00:44:04.619
Like what's going on here?

971
00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:08.460
Again, it's, it's, listen to how evil we are.

972
00:44:08.519 --> 00:44:12.000
We're not going to do anything evil, but listen to how evil we're

973
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:12.719
thinking of being.

974
00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:16.739
But also, given they're supposed to be sort of honourable in

975
00:44:16.739 --> 00:44:17.340
battle.

976
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:18.900
How is that honourable in battle to shoot?

977
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:23.340
Oh, no, there's so many mentions of them being dishonourable some

978
00:44:23.340 --> 00:44:24.059
Tyrons in this.

979
00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:27.300
Like, I feel like, now this is a big finish story we need to do is

980
00:44:27.300 --> 00:44:29.760
this dishonourable bunch of...

981
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:33.360
It's not torrents who's split up from the main faction and they're

982
00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:38.579
being chased around the universe for being not properly Santarin.

983
00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:41.400
There was a flaw in their cloning.

984
00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:45.420
It may have made them slide.

985
00:44:54.900 --> 00:44:58.800
All right, it's the 2nd episode of a two-parter, and that means

986
00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:00.480
picks of the week.

987
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:04.199
So James, do you have something for us?

988
00:45:04.500 --> 00:45:11.400
Yeah, so my pick of the week is, I think it's probably one of the

989
00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:17.099
better cleverer comedies that the BBC has made in the last 10 or

990
00:45:17.099 --> 00:45:17.699
so years.

991
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:24.000
It's a Jessica Hines created, written and starring comedy.

992
00:45:24.059 --> 00:45:25.320
It was based?

993
00:45:25.380 --> 00:45:25.980
No.

994
00:45:26.039 --> 00:45:28.139
She was still Stevenson.

995
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:29.820
It was on BBC 4.

996
00:45:30.059 --> 00:45:33.599
Okay And it's Up the Women.

997
00:45:33.659 --> 00:45:34.679
Oh, okay.

998
00:45:34.739 --> 00:45:42.059
Which takes the women's suffrage movement and makes it into quite

999
00:45:42.059 --> 00:45:44.039
a sort of witty little comedy.

1000
00:45:44.099 --> 00:45:49.800
Get out. and it has Ryan Sampson in it playing a very effete sort

1001
00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:54.000
of suitor to one of to one of the young ladies. and it's just

1002
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:54.420
fantastic.

1003
00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:56.579
It also has Rebecca Front in it.

1004
00:45:56.639 --> 00:45:58.920
Ah, and Nick Pepperdine.

1005
00:45:59.340 --> 00:46:02.519
So, yeah, find it and watch it.

1006
00:46:02.579 --> 00:46:06.480
They only lasted 9 episodes, they made a 3 episode, 1st season, a

1007
00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:07.619
6 episode, 2nd season.

1008
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:08.940
And then that was it.

1009
00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:10.800
That's what they do in England generally.

1010
00:46:10.860 --> 00:46:12.659
Like Doctor Who is an outlier.

1011
00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:13.739
Really?

1012
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:16.380
Like, for doing more than 4 episodes.

1013
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:18.840
And most drama is no more than six.

1014
00:46:18.900 --> 00:46:19.440
Yeah.

1015
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:22.679
Maybe it should have ended at episode 13.

1016
00:46:23.099 --> 00:46:24.719
How about that?

1017
00:46:24.780 --> 00:46:26.699
We would have finished this by now.

1018
00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:28.260
Yeah, but you've been done.

1019
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:31.380
Adam, do you have a pic of the week?

1020
00:46:33.059 --> 00:46:38.159
I watched a thing on Netflix called The Stranger, which is based

1021
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:40.019
on a Harlan Coben book.

1022
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:42.960
Not to be confused with The Stranger, which is on my view at the

1023
00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:43.320
moment.

1024
00:46:43.380 --> 00:46:45.780
Yeah, the old Australian tilted Doctor Who.

1025
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:48.239
Also, not to be confused with Bill Baggs, the Stranger.

1026
00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:49.739
Or the Colin.

1027
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:51.840
Yes, the Colin Baker. version.

1028
00:46:51.900 --> 00:46:55.440
No, it's a handy title to have.

1029
00:46:55.559 --> 00:47:00.960
It's produced by Nicolas Schindler, who is the red production

1030
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:01.320
company.

1031
00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:05.219
I've done like years and years. all that kind of thing.

1032
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:10.019
And I feel like Netflix have contacted her and gone, we want to do

1033
00:47:10.019 --> 00:47:10.860
a broad church.

1034
00:47:11.340 --> 00:47:16.320
And so it like they have thrown some money at actors.

1035
00:47:16.380 --> 00:47:21.239
It's Richard Armitage, um, Hannah John Cayman, is that a name?

1036
00:47:21.300 --> 00:47:23.639
you know, from the wasp and the Ant-man.

1037
00:47:23.699 --> 00:47:25.739
She's the stranger.

1038
00:47:26.340 --> 00:47:31.380
Jennifer Saunders is in it. won me over at that.

1039
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:33.300
This is O'Brien from downtown.

1040
00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:35.760
The Morax.

1041
00:47:36.179 --> 00:47:40.380
Like, it is just like, oh, Sean Dooley's in it.

1042
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:43.440
Like it is just a roll call of amazing British actors.

1043
00:47:43.500 --> 00:47:44.519
This sounds wonderful.

1044
00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:45.539
How have I not heard of this?

1045
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:48.179
And it is like it's, I think it's 8 episodes.

1046
00:47:48.179 --> 00:47:50.639
And each one, the end of each episode is like the end of an

1047
00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:52.739
episode of Broadchurch where you're like, no.

1048
00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:55.260
I have to watch the next one.

1049
00:47:55.320 --> 00:47:59.099
And then you'll get to the end and you'll be like, if this was an

1050
00:47:59.099 --> 00:48:02.519
American show, I would have called bullshit 4 episodes ago because

1051
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:04.559
there are too many coincidences.

1052
00:48:04.619 --> 00:48:07.980
Too many things that tie into each other and you're like, how is

1053
00:48:07.980 --> 00:48:11.280
this not, like, that was the plot hole and now that, like, but it

1054
00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:13.559
is because it's British, it is so compelling.

1055
00:48:13.619 --> 00:48:14.519
Anthony Head is in it.

1056
00:48:15.300 --> 00:48:18.659
Like you just get to the end of it and you're like, that was

1057
00:48:18.659 --> 00:48:21.239
terrible and amazing all at the same time.

1058
00:48:21.300 --> 00:48:24.179
I love, it's, it is a proper binge watch show.

1059
00:48:24.239 --> 00:48:26.400
Like you can't stop watching once you got to the end of it.

1060
00:48:26.460 --> 00:48:28.440
I don't want to watch the next one.

1061
00:48:28.500 --> 00:48:31.559
I had a conversation with a writer recently about why am I

1062
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:35.280
reticent to watch a movie, but I will happily watch 8 episodes of

1063
00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:38.579
a TV show and she goes, because a TV show doesn't ask you for 2.5

1064
00:48:38.579 --> 00:48:38.880
hours.

1065
00:48:38.940 --> 00:48:41.340
A TV show only asks you for an hour.

1066
00:48:41.400 --> 00:48:46.380
If you choose to spend another hour, that's your choice and then

1067
00:48:46.380 --> 00:48:48.119
another hour and then another hour.

1068
00:48:48.179 --> 00:48:53.820
Which is why you only get, what is it, like, 7 seconds before a

1069
00:48:53.820 --> 00:48:56.639
streaming service flips over to the next episode?

1070
00:48:56.699 --> 00:48:58.380
Oh, no, I've turned that off on all of them.

1071
00:48:58.440 --> 00:48:59.159
Oh, okay.

1072
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:02.400
I've turned, like, I have to consciously press the button to go

1073
00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:03.119
onto the next one.

1074
00:49:03.179 --> 00:49:05.940
Like, it's my choice to go on to the next one.

1075
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:10.019
Like, I can't deal with skipping ahead and missing the credits.

1076
00:49:10.139 --> 00:49:13.260
I love an opening question. lost whole weekends.

1077
00:49:13.380 --> 00:49:16.019
I'm not sure that that model fits all.

1078
00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:18.539
I mean, there's an episode coming up next week at Doc 2, which I

1079
00:49:18.539 --> 00:49:19.860
think asks for 2.5 hours.

1080
00:49:19.980 --> 00:49:22.559
And it's only 50 minutes long.

1081
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:28.559
And has some very questionable...

1082
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:30.360
Human relations behind the scenes.

1083
00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:34.139
So, Peter.

1084
00:49:34.139 --> 00:49:36.840
My pics of the week are going to be short and sweet.

1085
00:49:36.900 --> 00:49:40.380
One is the horror of Fang Rock. fan, favourite, because you know

1086
00:49:40.380 --> 00:49:43.800
that if Russell had stayed for 15 series, then the Rootens would

1087
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:45.780
have been the big comeback in the early 2 passer.

1088
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:49.079
Maybe we got one this week with Colonel Mace.

1089
00:49:49.139 --> 00:49:52.079
I'm not entirely sure.

1090
00:49:52.139 --> 00:49:55.619
I thought when Jody Whittaker ran up to the lighthouse the other

1091
00:49:55.619 --> 00:49:57.300
day, there was going to be a root on it.

1092
00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:02.940
I was thinking maybe it will be, I could recommend Elite, which is

1093
00:50:02.940 --> 00:50:08.039
a Spanish school-based series on Netflix where you go behind the

1094
00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:12.900
scenes of this very rich and impressive academy and it's filled

1095
00:50:12.900 --> 00:50:16.380
with lots of beautiful people with lots of machinations and sex.

1096
00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:19.199
And I mean, how would that have improved the Ratican Academy?

1097
00:50:19.260 --> 00:50:20.460
I don't know.

1098
00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:22.380
Yeah, more banging.

1099
00:50:22.619 --> 00:50:25.139
Not with Luke Rattigan.

1100
00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:28.019
I don't know, it's not unpretty.

1101
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:28.739
No, no, no.

1102
00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:33.239
So my pick of the week is Armando Yanucci's new show, which is

1103
00:50:33.239 --> 00:50:34.139
called Avenue 5.

1104
00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:38.519
It stars Hugh Laurie, and it has Rebecca Front in it, which we

1105
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:40.199
were required to mention her.

1106
00:50:40.260 --> 00:50:41.340
Yep, she's fabulous.

1107
00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:42.300
Tragically applied.

1108
00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:42.659
Yep.

1109
00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:49.139
And you know how Star Trek is kind of very 60s is this sort of

1110
00:50:49.139 --> 00:50:50.280
great liberal project.

1111
00:50:50.340 --> 00:50:53.400
It's sort of multicultural route to explore the stars and stuff.

1112
00:50:53.460 --> 00:50:56.460
It's got a very sort of Kennedy era vibe.

1113
00:50:56.699 --> 00:51:02.460
This has a very kind of 2020 vibe where everything's being run by

1114
00:51:02.460 --> 00:51:06.059
absolute morons and there's a massive disaster that we sort of

1115
00:51:06.059 --> 00:51:09.480
galaxy accident that we can't agree on and all sorts of things.

1116
00:51:09.539 --> 00:51:13.500
And so it is, um, you know, the TV show starring a bunch of people

1117
00:51:13.500 --> 00:51:16.619
on a spaceship that is made for us now in 2020.

1118
00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:20.940
I do love that Americans make utopian science fiction and the

1119
00:51:20.940 --> 00:51:23.159
Brits make dystopians.

1120
00:51:23.940 --> 00:51:26.099
Why is it called Avenue Five?

1121
00:51:26.219 --> 00:51:28.139
It's the name of the ship, but I don't know why.

1122
00:51:28.500 --> 00:51:30.119
I don't know.

1123
00:51:30.179 --> 00:51:32.039
Is it a 5th Avenue reference or something?

1124
00:51:32.099 --> 00:51:35.760
There's some, there are critiques of capitalism in it, obviously

1125
00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:38.400
because, of course, someone on 5th Avenue.

1126
00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:40.739
Yeah, I'm not quite sure.

1127
00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:41.460
Maybe I'll find out.

1128
00:51:41.579 --> 00:51:43.500
But it's very good.

1129
00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:46.260
And if you like Inucci, and of course, you do.

1130
00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:49.019
I can suggest definitely checking it out.

1131
00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:50.039
Well there we go.

1132
00:51:50.099 --> 00:51:51.539
I'm there for 2 new series this week.

1133
00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:52.320
Brilliant.

1134
00:51:52.380 --> 00:51:53.880
Don't hate me for the stranger.

1135
00:51:54.179 --> 00:51:57.420
It is wonderful and terrible all at the same time.

1136
00:52:29.099 --> 00:52:31.500
Well, Elvisra, that's all.

1137
00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:32.820
We got time for this week.

1138
00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:36.000
The TARDIS is completely out of control, but we're sure we'll be

1139
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:40.139
back next week in time to watch a fish drown in the doctor's

1140
00:52:40.139 --> 00:52:40.619
daughter.

1141
00:52:40.739 --> 00:52:44.400
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts

1142
00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:46.679
and you can keep up with us at flight through entirety on Facebook

1143
00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:50.039
at FTE podcast on Twitter, and on our website

1144
00:52:50.039 --> 00:52:52.860
FlightthroughEntirety.com, where you'll find links to our other

1145
00:52:52.860 --> 00:52:56.099
podcasts, Bondfinger, and Jody into Tara.

1146
00:52:56.159 --> 00:52:58.019
Adam, where can people find you?

1147
00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:01.500
At Adam Richard on Twitter and Instagram, Fabulous Adam Richard on

1148
00:53:01.500 --> 00:53:03.480
Facebook, Adam Richard.com.au.

1149
00:53:03.539 --> 00:53:06.780
Until next time, maybe leave the car at home.

1150
00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:10.980
Remember that when the levels reach 80% density, we're all going

1151
00:53:10.980 --> 00:53:11.400
to die.

1152
00:53:11.460 --> 00:53:14.099
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1153
00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:15.000
Good night.

1154
00:53:15.059 --> 00:53:15.539
Good night.

1155
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:16.199
Good night.

1156
00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:21.599
That was Flight for Entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, Peter

1157
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:23.760
Griffiths, Adam Richard and James Selwood.

1158
00:53:23.820 --> 00:53:26.639
Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, Strings performance by Jane

1159
00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:27.480
Orberg.

1160
00:53:27.539 --> 00:53:30.900
This episode, this soldier, this soldier, this soldier, this

1161
00:53:30.900 --> 00:53:34.619
soldier, was recorded on the 8th of February 2020, and released on

1162
00:53:34.619 --> 00:53:35.340
the 12th of April.

1163
00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:41.400
Here at FDE, we'd like to apologise that the two-month lag between

1164
00:53:41.400 --> 00:53:44.760
recording and release means that for most of this series, we are

1165
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:46.920
at least one global apocalypse behind.

1166
00:53:46.980 --> 00:53:49.800
We hope, at least, that you enjoy the break.

1167
00:53:52.860 --> 00:53:53.760
I'm Nathan.

1168
00:53:53.820 --> 00:53:54.420
I'm James.

1169
00:53:54.659 --> 00:53:56.579
Oh, what?

1170
00:53:56.639 --> 00:53:59.400
No, I thought I was...

1171
00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:02.039
No, you're the guest.

1172
00:54:02.099 --> 00:54:05.519
You're and Adam Richard as Adam.

1173
00:54:05.579 --> 00:54:07.380
I was just going to...

1174
00:54:07.380 --> 00:54:08.340
I was going clockwise.

1175
00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:09.780
No one can see the room.

1176
00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:11.219
Let's do it again.

1177
00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:12.360
I'm Nathan.

1178
00:54:12.420 --> 00:54:13.199
I'm James.

1179
00:54:13.260 --> 00:54:13.980
I'm Adam.

1180
00:54:17.039 --> 00:54:18.780
And I'm not. not what I am.

1181
00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:24.119
I think we just go with that.

1182
00:54:24.179 --> 00:54:27.239
All right, I've dropped the recording. who are you again?

1183
00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:35.258
Well, we've been stuck in this Peugeot 307 for a week.