WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 14:37:01 1 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:48.479 Hello, dear listen, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast that firmly believes we'd have a much better show if every cliffhanger was resolved by Sylvia Noble swinging an axe. 2 00:00:48.600 --> 00:00:50.039 I'm Nathan. 3 00:00:50.100 --> 00:00:50.759 I'm James. 4 00:00:50.820 --> 00:00:51.539 I'm Peter. 5 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:52.500 I'm Adam. 6 00:00:52.560 --> 00:00:59.100 Well, we've been stuck in this Peugeot 307 for a week now and it's starting to smell like an Australian summer in here. 7 00:00:59.159 --> 00:01:04.620 The air's unbreathable, the visibility's non-existent, and we're all going to suffocate from the fuse. 8 00:01:04.680 --> 00:01:06.959 Welcome to the Poison Sky. 9 00:01:19.019 --> 00:01:22.620 It was really, really resonant watching it this time. 10 00:01:23.579 --> 00:01:29.040 And this episode perhaps drives to be about something. 11 00:01:29.099 --> 00:01:30.060 Yes. 12 00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:30.540 Yeah. 13 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:34.560 And it's about cars and emissions. 14 00:01:34.620 --> 00:01:39.900 So we're told last week that Atmos causes cars to have 0 carbon emissions. 15 00:01:40.079 --> 00:01:41.760 Which is exciting. 16 00:01:41.819 --> 00:01:43.140 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 17 00:01:43.200 --> 00:01:44.340 Well, that'd be a thing. 18 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:53.939 You know, the original suggestion was that Atmos was originally supposed to be a chimney. 19 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:55.859 Oh, yeah, a chimney attachment. 20 00:01:55.920 --> 00:01:59.219 That would be great. cars with chimneys on them. 21 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:00.959 Is that what it is? 22 00:02:02.400 --> 00:02:04.319 Oh, okay. 23 00:02:04.319 --> 00:02:05.219 For your chimney. 24 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:09.180 Yeah, so it's just going to be for upper middle class people. 25 00:02:09.240 --> 00:02:10.080 Right. 26 00:02:10.139 --> 00:02:11.159 And their chimneys. 27 00:02:11.219 --> 00:02:12.120 That worked. 28 00:02:12.180 --> 00:02:12.900 Right, right. 29 00:02:13.020 --> 00:02:17.580 They hadn't been bricked up. hadn't been bricked up and had a gas heater installed in them. 30 00:02:17.639 --> 00:02:18.659 Oh my god. 31 00:02:18.719 --> 00:02:27.419 Russell T. Davis. where does he live I genuinely thought it was cars with chimneys and I was absolutely on board. 32 00:02:27.479 --> 00:02:43.139 I would love it if it was about Eleanor of Aquitaine installing chimneys in all of her castles because she was the 1st one to do it because it was new technology back then and she lived in the south of France in like the 1100s and when she had to go off and be the queen in Paris. 33 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:45.300 She was like, it's freezing here. 34 00:02:45.719 --> 00:02:51.539 And if you look at any of her castles, especially there's like 3 fireplaces in the main room. 35 00:02:51.599 --> 00:02:54.659 So that will be in series 13. 36 00:02:54.840 --> 00:02:57.900 That's one of Gibnall's historicals. 37 00:02:57.960 --> 00:03:01.620 Yeah, going to Eleanor Aquitaine and her amazing interior decorating. 38 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:02.460 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 39 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:04.680 Only the most interesting parts of history visited. 40 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:08.099 I'll be posting this clip to Vinay Patel. 41 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:09.000 You're right. 42 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:11.340 I love that episode. 43 00:03:12.719 --> 00:03:25.560 And I think the best thing about it is that even though we have this sort of cliffhanger where, in fact, it turns out, oh, well, maybe Wilf is in danger because he's locked in a car with a fumes, but it doesn't. 44 00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:29.099 But he just gets in there when it starts behaving badly, which is why? 45 00:03:29.099 --> 00:03:29.819 Why? 46 00:03:29.879 --> 00:03:31.379 Because you go to move it off the street. 47 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:34.080 Well, he says he's going to move it off the street, but why is it on the street? 48 00:03:34.139 --> 00:03:34.379 Anyway. 49 00:03:34.439 --> 00:03:38.340 Surely you don't want to move your poison and missing car inside. 50 00:03:38.819 --> 00:03:48.599 Will's behaviour in this episode is very reminiscent of Sylvester McCloy climbing over a cliff to make an actual cliffhanger that doesn't need to happen. 51 00:03:48.840 --> 00:03:50.879 Yeah, I think that's right. 52 00:03:50.939 --> 00:03:53.219 But there is that great final shot. 53 00:03:53.280 --> 00:04:04.319 I do think the final shot of the doctor with his back to us turning around looking over his shoulder as the smoke sort of swirls in a sort of suburban street. completely defeated, has no idea how... 54 00:04:04.319 --> 00:04:04.860 It's good. 55 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:07.080 I think that's a nice... because he's got a great silhouette. 56 00:04:07.139 --> 00:04:08.759 Yeah, tenet in the big coat. 57 00:04:08.819 --> 00:04:11.879 Like, it looks good in a smoke filled street. 58 00:04:11.939 --> 00:04:18.060 And Russell's someone who has said before that one of the important things is to give the doctor a silhouette. 59 00:04:18.120 --> 00:04:19.920 Yeah, because he's a cartoonist. 60 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:21.660 Like, he draws him very simple shapes. 61 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:29.639 Like, you know, in his head, I'm sure it's everything is in big, bold colours and big, square, blocky shapes. 62 00:04:29.699 --> 00:04:32.519 Yeah, it's the opening titles of the Souess McCoy. 63 00:04:32.579 --> 00:04:33.300 Yeah. 64 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:38.939 But, you know, that sort of supersaturated colour palette that you get in the RTD era. 65 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:41.399 A bit more than Moffat. 66 00:04:41.459 --> 00:04:44.399 And you can see it in the next doctor. 67 00:04:44.459 --> 00:04:46.980 There's a scene that's kind of shot like a torchwood episode. 68 00:04:46.980 --> 00:04:53.819 And Russell in the commentary says, no, you know, that's not really our house style for Doctor Who. 69 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:59.639 We have much steadyer cameras and much more kind of saturated colours. 70 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:04.560 Hence all the all the purple. stuff here. 71 00:05:04.620 --> 00:05:08.819 Is that the one they shot an HD, but then didn't finish an HD? 72 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:12.720 Because the next one was broadcast in HD. 73 00:05:12.779 --> 00:05:23.519 So I reckon they would have been using the HD cameras and then gone, oh, the effects shots have to be SD because they are 4 times more expensive to render 4 times higher. 74 00:05:23.579 --> 00:05:25.319 Yeah that would be right. 75 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:26.879 And there's a lot of effects in that episode. 76 00:05:26.939 --> 00:05:31.680 And it doesn't go out in HD, Planet of the Dead is the 1st one that... 77 00:05:31.740 --> 00:05:32.279 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 78 00:05:32.339 --> 00:05:48.360 So I reckon they've shot it in HD and been doing all the bells and whistles and trick, because you, one of the problems with, um, I remember like, uh, Kev Carline, who directed Wentworth and Outland, my show, was talking to me when he was doing McLeod's Daughters. 79 00:05:48.420 --> 00:06:03.120 They wanted McLeod's daughters to be done in HD way back when, but it had all the problems of videotape and all of the problems of film, like too much definition and too difficult to fiddle about with. 80 00:06:03.180 --> 00:06:07.079 So they just went, let's just shoot McLeod's daughters in 16 millimetre. 81 00:06:07.139 --> 00:06:09.600 Well, and it looks amazing. 82 00:06:09.660 --> 00:06:10.079 Yeah. 83 00:06:22.139 --> 00:06:25.560 You know, I think there are two big problems with Atmos in this episode. 84 00:06:25.620 --> 00:06:28.500 One is on a writing level and one's on a production level. 85 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:39.000 I think it's not a functionally dramatic situation, having Atmos, because even before you consider the science of it, People would have to be unconscious for there to be any real damage. 86 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:45.839 And so even though they unleash it at the cliffhanger, it actually takes most of episode 2 for it to do any harm. 87 00:06:45.899 --> 00:06:48.360 And so you've got people wandering around it. 88 00:06:48.420 --> 00:06:50.100 You've got unit soldiers just standing around. 89 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:53.220 There's the occasional cough, and so the peril is nil. 90 00:06:53.339 --> 00:06:56.160 Except that that's the peril that we experience this summer. 91 00:06:56.220 --> 00:06:59.339 You know, it's gradually going up to 80%. 92 00:06:59.399 --> 00:07:02.639 People are being told to stay indoors. 93 00:07:02.699 --> 00:07:06.180 People are avoiding urban areas where they're in cars. 94 00:07:06.240 --> 00:07:09.540 And we get these numbers being quoted. 95 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:15.420 You know, it is going to go up to 80% and it starts to kill people in Tokyo, for instance. 96 00:07:16.620 --> 00:07:22.800 So I actually don't mind that because I think that that threat is more like the threat that it's trying to talk about. 97 00:07:22.860 --> 00:07:31.560 Also, there are older viewers in that audience who would have, as children, experienced the great smog. 98 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:35.699 Oh, the murderous smog that killed the secretary in the crown. 99 00:07:36.060 --> 00:07:39.480 That's the only episode of the crown that I've seen. 100 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:46.379 Isn't that the same smog that Ian ventures out of in Doctor Who and the Daleks novelisation? 101 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:46.920 Yeah. 102 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:48.480 Oil P Super. 103 00:07:48.540 --> 00:07:49.680 Well, you see, I think that's good. 104 00:07:49.740 --> 00:07:54.000 I mean, that's a good point, although it's a retroactive thing being applied to it. 105 00:07:54.060 --> 00:07:55.740 But it's still word peril. 106 00:07:55.800 --> 00:07:58.379 We don't see anyone actually in danger. 107 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:00.060 We don't see anyone. 108 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:17.279 Again, it's it's all down to the performances, but Sylvia and Wilf trying to put the towels at the door and he's he's putting the windows and they're trying to seal the house up and it's like they make it palpable, those two, because they're such great performers. 109 00:08:17.339 --> 00:08:20.399 But no one else in the episode seems to give 2 hoots. 110 00:08:20.459 --> 00:08:21.959 It's like, no, the cars have gone funny. 111 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:25.860 That scene, though, I think that scene is so great. 112 00:08:25.920 --> 00:08:38.820 And I have to think it's Russell because Sylvia is so prickly and so unlikeable and she's really mean to Will and like bosses him around and stuff all the time. 113 00:08:38.879 --> 00:08:45.120 But here, he calls her my little girl and hugs her while she cries. 114 00:08:45.179 --> 00:08:46.679 It's so good. 115 00:08:46.740 --> 00:08:51.179 It's like the old couple on the Titanic who are hugging in the bed. 116 00:08:51.240 --> 00:09:00.720 It's like the, you know, when Stephanie Forrester from Bold and the Beautiful, has been left by Robert Wagner and the Towering Inferno like it is. 117 00:09:01.740 --> 00:09:03.960 It's just one of those. 118 00:09:04.019 --> 00:09:14.580 It's like a disaster movie moment where you just have those tiny little moments to go, well, we're now going to illustrate how terrible it is because we can't show everyone freaking out. 119 00:09:14.639 --> 00:09:17.460 Let's show a couple of decent actors freaking out. 120 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:18.659 Which is really nice. 121 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:19.740 I'm on board with this. 122 00:09:19.799 --> 00:09:25.620 But functionally, that is the problem again, with the production, the production should be a wall of fog. 123 00:09:25.679 --> 00:09:26.759 Oh, yeah. 124 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:28.679 It should be the web from the web of fair. 125 00:09:28.740 --> 00:09:34.679 It should be something which makes you feel like this is encroaching on their world, whereas actually it just looks like a little bit of mist fluting around. 126 00:09:34.740 --> 00:09:45.659 And this is why I think Douglas McKinnon was not a good choice for a director because like a director with enough Nouse would go, let's not go outside. 127 00:09:45.720 --> 00:09:53.879 Like, I know it's cars, but let's do everything inside with bits of fog and just completely opaque windows. 128 00:09:53.940 --> 00:10:00.720 Well, like in that episode of The Crown, you know, where the fog is really, really thick. really, really oppressive. 129 00:10:00.779 --> 00:10:01.799 Yeah. 130 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:03.059 Because it's all shot indoors. 131 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:06.419 It's too expensive to put old cars on the street. 132 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:07.139 That's right. 133 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:14.820 And there are, you know, the news footage. thing which they do, which is a thing that I really like in the RTD era. 134 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:17.279 He 1st does it, doesn't he, in the 2nd coming. 135 00:10:17.279 --> 00:10:19.740 In order to give it a sort of global scale. 136 00:10:19.799 --> 00:10:22.019 And they have a shot of Sydney Harbour. 137 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:31.259 And there's a little bit of fog and you kind of think, wow, that would have actually counted as quite a nice day this summer in Sydney. man, it's been a horrific. 138 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:36.539 But that day that it was raining and still, I couldn't breathe because it was smoky. 139 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:38.580 That was the freakiest experience I've ever heard. 140 00:10:38.700 --> 00:10:40.200 And the rain was great. 141 00:10:40.259 --> 00:10:41.820 It was great, right? 142 00:10:41.820 --> 00:10:44.159 sludge pouring of the sky. 143 00:10:44.220 --> 00:10:49.080 Well, your car ended up covered in just sort of like dirt. 144 00:10:49.139 --> 00:10:50.639 Like, it wasn't even ash. 145 00:10:50.700 --> 00:10:54.360 Like there was also dirt from the outback. like the topsoil. 146 00:10:54.419 --> 00:11:00.419 And I was worried that I was going to get chlamydia of the lungs from breathing in all those burnt koalas. 147 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:06.539 How did you get chlamydia? 148 00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:08.639 I like this. 149 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:09.480 It was the koala. 150 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:12.179 It was smoked koala. 151 00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:14.340 Barbeque. 152 00:11:14.399 --> 00:11:19.679 Did anyone notice as well that on that map that unit had showing sort of the outbreaks of Atmos? 153 00:11:19.679 --> 00:11:20.159 No New Zealand? 154 00:11:20.220 --> 00:11:21.899 New Guinea doesn't appear to have many cars. 155 00:11:23.460 --> 00:11:25.980 Well, it's all coder, isn't it? 156 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:27.360 There's no row. 157 00:11:27.480 --> 00:11:28.740 They're mostly cheap. 158 00:11:30.659 --> 00:11:37.500 Or is that a commentary on the social... whether they can't afford atmos. 159 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:38.399 Exactly, exactly. 160 00:11:38.460 --> 00:11:40.980 Or they've all gone fully electric. 161 00:11:41.039 --> 00:11:42.480 They're like way in the future. 162 00:11:42.539 --> 00:11:52.139 Actually, I think there was a modern day iteration of that old classic series trope where you have a needle, which is slowly climbing to 100 or whatever, and someone's going to blow up. 163 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:56.399 But while it's on screen for 2 seconds, It's clearly covered half of the space it needs to. 164 00:11:57.539 --> 00:12:00.000 How do we ramp up the drama? 165 00:12:00.059 --> 00:12:01.440 Push the needle along, love. 166 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:03.720 Shout out a bigger number. 167 00:12:04.379 --> 00:12:06.240 Put the needle on it. 168 00:12:07.019 --> 00:12:08.879 Oh, Danny. 169 00:12:15.779 --> 00:12:27.360 Maybe it is only something that works in retrospect, but one of the weird things about watching this Doctor Who from 10 years ago is that they mentioned climate change kind of over and over again. 170 00:12:27.419 --> 00:12:44.759 You know what is freaking me out is like the, so at the moment, I'm being inundated by La Trolls, who are all saying, Doctor Who's terrible now, it's just constantly shoving environmental messages down my throat and I'm like, dude, it's been doing that since the 60s. 171 00:12:44.820 --> 00:12:47.039 That's not just a 2020 thing. 172 00:12:47.100 --> 00:12:48.779 Planet of Giant. 173 00:12:48.899 --> 00:12:49.860 Planet of Giants. 174 00:12:50.220 --> 00:12:52.620 Planet of the giant? 175 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:53.279 The giants? 176 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:55.379 Sorry. that now is the time. 177 00:12:55.440 --> 00:12:58.320 We need to have environmental messages thrust down other... 178 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:00.779 I know, because we've been ignoring them for the last 50 years. 179 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:04.080 Trolls are very anxious about their throats, though. 180 00:13:04.139 --> 00:13:05.399 Yeah, I know. 181 00:13:05.460 --> 00:13:22.620 Someone did, I wrote a tweet the other day saying, you know, being somewhat ironic, saying that when Doctor Who is going to have an environmental message, do we need a trigger warning for for the conservative cold loving snowflakes? 182 00:13:23.820 --> 00:13:28.019 What show have you been watching for the last 55 years? 183 00:13:28.139 --> 00:13:30.059 Don't watch science fiction? 184 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:31.799 It's about progressiveness. 185 00:13:32.639 --> 00:13:34.919 Go and watch a Western. 186 00:13:35.820 --> 00:13:38.159 They're not progressive at all. 187 00:13:38.220 --> 00:13:38.940 They're shoot people. 188 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:46.379 Well, I mean, that's, you know, that's the difference between sort of science fiction and science sort of fantasy. 189 00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:46.919 Yeah. 190 00:13:46.919 --> 00:13:48.539 So, so... 191 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:49.679 Space opera. 192 00:13:49.740 --> 00:13:49.980 Sorry. 193 00:13:50.100 --> 00:13:53.519 You know, Star Wars is not really science fiction. 194 00:13:53.580 --> 00:13:56.639 No, it has it has knights, but swords. 195 00:13:56.700 --> 00:13:57.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 196 00:13:57.600 --> 00:13:58.259 Space dragons. 197 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:00.240 It's a good and evil story. 198 00:14:00.299 --> 00:14:01.320 But like because... 199 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:01.980 It's a Western. 200 00:14:02.100 --> 00:14:03.480 Yes, a space western. 201 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:07.799 Because of its dominance in our sort of collective... 202 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:11.639 Yeah, unconsciousness, unconsciousness, over the last 40 years. 203 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:13.980 People think that that's science fiction. 204 00:14:14.820 --> 00:14:23.340 Well, I mean, I mean, Doctor Who is barely science fiction, but it does do the science fiction thing of using its nonsense to try and address something. 205 00:14:23.340 --> 00:14:29.159 And what we were complaining about last week is a kind of failure to do that last week didn't seem to be about anything. 206 00:14:29.220 --> 00:14:31.980 Here it is at least trying to address something. 207 00:14:32.039 --> 00:14:37.200 And then the resolution at the end is people stop using their cars and the world's a nicer place. 208 00:14:37.259 --> 00:14:40.200 You know, Sylvia's happy for the 1st time ever. 209 00:14:40.259 --> 00:14:45.179 And it's because people aren't using their cars and it's lovely outdoors, you know? 210 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:47.159 But that's not going to last. 211 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:52.740 Well, I'll revisit that idea in the forest of the night, weren't they? 212 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:53.519 Oh, yes. 213 00:14:53.580 --> 00:14:55.080 Hooray. 214 00:15:01.860 --> 00:15:10.379 One of the things that I've loved about these 2 episodes has been the barest dimension of the 80s. 215 00:15:10.440 --> 00:15:15.299 Like, Donna almost putting a dint in the 80s, uh, with the TARDIS. 216 00:15:15.360 --> 00:15:16.320 It's like, well someone did. 217 00:15:16.379 --> 00:15:20.399 Maybe that's what caused the unit dating. 218 00:15:20.460 --> 00:15:25.500 Well, that, I mean, that's it, he goes, oh, yeah, I worked for unit in the 70s or the 80s. 219 00:15:25.559 --> 00:15:26.820 It's a bit muddy. 220 00:15:27.720 --> 00:15:35.759 Is this is this Russell trying to gently massage retroactively the bizarre dating that goes on? 221 00:15:35.820 --> 00:15:37.620 I mean, you know what? 222 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:39.179 The whole problem is modern undead. 223 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:42.539 That is the... which was meant to be Ian. 224 00:15:42.600 --> 00:15:43.980 Not the brigadier. 225 00:15:44.039 --> 00:15:46.259 You can tell, okay? 226 00:15:47.759 --> 00:15:50.519 Not that Russell could talk. 227 00:15:50.580 --> 00:15:55.740 I mean, his version of Doctor Who was always set one year in the future after mid-series one. 228 00:15:55.799 --> 00:16:00.059 That's what that's what those unit things do in the 60s, isn't it? 229 00:16:00.179 --> 00:16:05.159 I absolutely don't care because the unit stories didn't happen. 230 00:16:05.220 --> 00:16:07.139 They were just things on television. 231 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:10.620 And so if they happened at any point, they happened when they were on television. 232 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:17.940 And, you know, it does a near future thing because it's doing that sort of 60s style spi-fi stuff in the invasion and things. 233 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:22.500 And so I think what Russell's doing is saying, chill the hell out. 234 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:26.940 You know, like the 70s, the 80s, I'm playing with you now. 235 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:29.399 It's not going to be ever resolved. 236 00:16:29.460 --> 00:16:32.220 I get that it's a concern to some people. 237 00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:37.259 The thing that they did, do you remember in Star Trek where they talked about the Klingons appearance changing? 238 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:38.100 Oh, yes. 239 00:16:38.100 --> 00:16:43.919 Absolutely the best thing possible, which is to have wharf look a bit sheepish and say we do not like to talk about it. 240 00:16:44.100 --> 00:16:56.100 That is all you ever needed, and it was brilliant, but of course, then in enterprise, when you had a fan running the show and it was being made for fans, they had to do a whole 2 passer all about... 241 00:16:56.100 --> 00:16:57.779 What happened to the Mars bars stuck to their head? 242 00:16:57.840 --> 00:17:01.200 meatloaf. absolutely terrible. 243 00:17:01.259 --> 00:17:09.720 Imagine what would happen if they ever brought wharf into Picard and we had to deal with the Klingons in Discovery. 244 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:19.619 It's, yeah. that's confronting But I think the dent in the 80s is just a reference to Thatcher, surely. 245 00:17:19.680 --> 00:17:20.460 Well, yes. 246 00:17:20.579 --> 00:17:21.119 Possibly. 247 00:17:21.180 --> 00:17:21.779 Don't you think? 248 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:25.259 Or is it the clothing, the hair. 249 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:29.039 Either way, those jackets that could turn into a backpack. 250 00:17:31.859 --> 00:17:34.680 Smash hits magazine, whatever it was. 251 00:17:35.039 --> 00:17:48.960 The thing is, and I think this is one of the things that works about this story and it's probably Russell sort of, and Russell's great with chucking in references to the past without weighing down Doctor Who most of the time. 252 00:17:49.140 --> 00:17:54.660 You know, you've got these little sort of in jokes, the thorax. 253 00:17:54.720 --> 00:17:55.799 The thorax. 254 00:17:55.859 --> 00:18:00.299 Does that one is probably the one that lands the least well. 255 00:18:00.359 --> 00:18:00.720 Yes. 256 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:07.140 But the whole mispronunciation... 257 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:08.099 Oh, great. 258 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:10.319 And we know the backstory, don't we? 259 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:10.859 Yeah. 260 00:18:10.859 --> 00:18:12.660 So Kevin Lindsay's Australian. 261 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:19.200 And Holmes intended it to be pronounced sauntering, but he's the one who goes, no, it's on time. 262 00:18:19.259 --> 00:18:21.240 I'm a bloody sontan. 263 00:18:21.420 --> 00:18:24.539 I'm from the bloody planet, I should know. 264 00:18:24.660 --> 00:18:38.279 It's funny you say that because we had in reference to Santarans in Outland, which, uh, so it's just, um, it's Christina New's character talking about one of the other lesbians because they've had the fight with the lesbians. 265 00:18:38.339 --> 00:18:39.599 She's gone, you know her. 266 00:18:39.660 --> 00:18:40.920 She looks like Santara. 267 00:18:41.339 --> 00:18:48.539 And but Christina new kept saying sauntering and we have to have to kept saying, no, it's from Doctor Who, it's Santara. 268 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:55.799 So an Australian pronounced it as Saunterin. made me go, how true is this story? 269 00:18:55.859 --> 00:19:01.680 Was he laying on the accent when he was living in London going... 270 00:19:01.740 --> 00:19:04.859 All of this talk is triggering me with metabolis 3. 271 00:19:14.220 --> 00:19:17.640 So can we talk about the portrayal of unit in this story? 272 00:19:17.700 --> 00:19:18.539 Yes. 273 00:19:18.660 --> 00:19:26.400 I think it's meant to look very high take and impressive, especially with that 1st Martha go, go, go scene where the lorries are rolling in. 274 00:19:26.460 --> 00:19:28.740 You've got all the soldiers in black with their red berries. 275 00:19:28.799 --> 00:19:33.660 And I think by the end of the story, they end up looking as ridiculous and homespun as 70s units. 276 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:34.440 Yeah. 277 00:19:34.500 --> 00:19:40.680 I mean, there's that thing in dialogue about how it was all, it's now all very high tech and it used to be very homespun, but... 278 00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:45.599 I mean, we talked a little bit about this last week, but I'm... 279 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:49.200 Just getting the truck from International Electromatics from... 280 00:19:49.259 --> 00:19:51.359 Does not a high tech make. 281 00:19:51.420 --> 00:19:56.519 And then obviously filming it in a building which is 3 times the size. 282 00:19:56.579 --> 00:20:00.779 I know it's where they go in the truck and I'm like, have they got TARDIS technology? 283 00:20:01.259 --> 00:20:10.920 I almost thought the sort of watching a bunch of soldiers directed by Dougie Canfield running around the Guinness factory felt more like a crack international organisation. 284 00:20:11.099 --> 00:20:13.980 Again, I think it's a failure of direction. 285 00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:19.319 Like the scenes where they're fighting with the Santarans and all shooting at one another. 286 00:20:19.380 --> 00:20:22.079 It's like occasionally you can see what's going on. 287 00:20:22.140 --> 00:20:26.819 I mean, having all the smog there means you can cut down on the number of actors you're shooting at. 288 00:20:27.779 --> 00:20:31.380 Unfortunately, we got the wrong Douglas. 289 00:20:32.460 --> 00:20:44.400 Can we also talk about the fact that there was a great opportunity in this story, which is entirely missed to introduce some new semi-regular characters who would have been really fun to see interact with the doctor. 290 00:20:44.460 --> 00:20:47.099 So you've got basically a brigadier surrogate. 291 00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:49.980 You've got a sergeant Benton surrogate in Lovely Ross. 292 00:20:50.460 --> 00:20:53.579 The brigadier that they've got in, who was it? 293 00:20:53.640 --> 00:20:54.720 Colonel Mace's, that is, yeah. 294 00:20:54.779 --> 00:20:57.059 Yeah, that's his name. makes absolutely no impact at all. 295 00:20:57.180 --> 00:20:57.660 No. 296 00:20:57.720 --> 00:20:59.880 Zero I would have rather have Bambera back. 297 00:20:59.940 --> 00:21:00.660 Yeah. 298 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:04.619 And she's not the best actor in the world, but I would have been happy to see her again. 299 00:21:04.680 --> 00:21:09.539 Or the character whose name I forget who shows up 1st in turn left. 300 00:21:09.599 --> 00:21:10.619 Oh, yeah. 301 00:21:10.619 --> 00:21:11.519 Who's brilliant? 302 00:21:11.579 --> 00:21:12.359 Yeah, she's really good. 303 00:21:12.420 --> 00:21:13.799 Is she the one that's implanted of the Dead? 304 00:21:13.859 --> 00:21:14.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 305 00:21:14.460 --> 00:21:15.359 Yeah, why didn't we get hurt? 306 00:21:15.420 --> 00:21:17.400 Or do you think it's because this guy is so ineffectual. 307 00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:19.319 That they get someone a little bit more. 308 00:21:19.319 --> 00:21:20.339 They've gone, let's get it. 309 00:21:20.400 --> 00:21:22.259 I mean, it's not a great performance, I have to say. 310 00:21:22.319 --> 00:21:24.180 But he doesn't have anything to work with. 311 00:21:24.240 --> 00:21:25.319 There's no character there. 312 00:21:25.380 --> 00:21:29.640 And you think, surely this should have been one of the driving forces of this script. 313 00:21:29.700 --> 00:21:38.819 You're bringing back the return of unit. unit was about the people. have a character who relates to Martha and the doctor and who you want to spend time with. 314 00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:40.559 Fill it with character rather than plot. 315 00:21:40.619 --> 00:21:45.839 Which is what actually your Moffatt pulls that off much better. much better. 316 00:21:45.900 --> 00:21:48.420 Like, you know, he goes, and he only has 2 people in unit. 317 00:21:48.480 --> 00:21:51.480 And one of them is absolutely phoning it in. 318 00:21:51.539 --> 00:21:54.240 But because... 319 00:21:54.240 --> 00:21:57.779 But because of who she is, she's phoning it in really quite well. 320 00:21:57.900 --> 00:21:58.799 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 321 00:21:58.859 --> 00:22:02.819 I mean, she's absolutely sort of visibly uninterested in what's going on, I think. 322 00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:05.160 But that conception of unit is great. 323 00:22:05.220 --> 00:22:09.359 And then do we add Rebecca Front to unit later and various other things. 324 00:22:09.480 --> 00:22:13.920 Like it becomes, you know, women, which is kind of critical. 325 00:22:13.980 --> 00:22:17.160 I'm was frustrated with that Rebecca front. 326 00:22:17.220 --> 00:22:24.779 I get frustrated with a lot of the Moffatt guest stars because it's like, and I think it's starting to happen now with Gymnals. like, we've got this person. 327 00:22:24.839 --> 00:22:28.740 It's like, great. give them something to do What are we gonna, what's it? 328 00:22:28.859 --> 00:22:30.240 Oh, yeah, there's only 2 pages for them. 329 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:33.660 They're all they're all info dumping. 330 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:37.680 It's like David Warner on the submarine. 331 00:22:37.740 --> 00:22:38.579 Yeah, what's that called? 332 00:22:38.579 --> 00:22:39.059 Cold War. 333 00:22:39.180 --> 00:22:39.720 Why? 334 00:22:39.720 --> 00:22:41.460 Why have you got David Warner? 335 00:22:41.519 --> 00:22:44.940 Why have you wasted David Warner on being obsessed with Ultravox? 336 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:46.380 I actually like that. 337 00:22:46.740 --> 00:22:49.079 That's the only good bit in the whole thing. 338 00:22:49.140 --> 00:22:50.279 It's like why is he there? 339 00:22:50.339 --> 00:22:53.819 Like, yeah, no, it's, again, McKinnon. 340 00:22:53.880 --> 00:22:54.839 Yeah. 341 00:22:54.900 --> 00:22:55.559 Cold War. 342 00:22:55.619 --> 00:22:55.859 Yeah. 343 00:22:55.920 --> 00:22:58.619 See, this is the 2nd time we've done this. 344 00:22:58.680 --> 00:23:06.480 I mean, battlefield, for all of the fact that it's maligned and it's maligned much more than it should be, does what this story does and then reintroduces a new unit. 345 00:23:06.539 --> 00:23:13.740 And it manages to populate the story with interesting characters like Bambera, Zabegnyev, and Pilate Lavelle. 346 00:23:13.799 --> 00:23:15.779 You know, people who you actually want to spend time with. 347 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:18.059 Yeah, and when Lavell is killed. 348 00:23:18.059 --> 00:23:19.380 Yeah, it matters. 349 00:23:19.440 --> 00:23:20.579 It's gutting. 350 00:23:20.640 --> 00:23:28.799 Well, because the brigadier and her have spent something like 3 weeks in a helicopter on the way from sort of London, and so they've really got to know one. 351 00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:32.339 That is a long helicopter. 352 00:23:32.519 --> 00:23:39.660 How could you miss the lesson of Battlefield, which is bring in characters who will relate to your characters. 353 00:23:39.720 --> 00:23:41.160 They're ready-made friends for the doctor. 354 00:23:41.220 --> 00:23:41.940 How do muck that up? 355 00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:47.400 Yeah, but I think that was, you know, they've insisted on having Martha. 356 00:23:47.460 --> 00:23:49.440 So it's like, well, she's got a character already. 357 00:23:49.500 --> 00:23:52.559 Not that they use her in the SM. so much in these episodes. 358 00:23:52.619 --> 00:24:11.940 And yeah, and may, look, maybe this is one of the failings of Rainer as a writer, like not creating interesting characters, but equally, I think it's McKinnon as a director, like not understanding how to direct a decent performance. 359 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:18.000 Like, you know, the only time you get interesting characters in this characters who have been created before. 360 00:24:18.059 --> 00:24:21.119 Sylvia Wilf, Donna. 361 00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:22.200 I mean, right. 362 00:24:22.259 --> 00:24:26.339 Rayna did okay last year with the characters in the Dalek 2 parter. 363 00:24:26.460 --> 00:24:28.500 That was one of the things we said, wasn't it, Nathan? 364 00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:30.119 That the characters were one of the standout points. 365 00:24:30.180 --> 00:24:42.180 But it may just be because those are not this soldier, this soldier, this soldier, this soldier, but showgirl, you know, poor guy, wise man, you know, like you've got a whole different set of things to do. 366 00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:44.160 And then you, the actors inhabited. 367 00:24:44.220 --> 00:24:48.900 But maybe part of that is that, you know, she's writing caricatures, not characters. 368 00:24:48.900 --> 00:24:53.700 And because you're right. this soldier, this soldier, this soldier, this soldier. 369 00:24:53.819 --> 00:24:54.779 How do you differentiate that? 370 00:24:54.900 --> 00:24:55.680 Well, easily. 371 00:24:55.740 --> 00:24:57.539 You go like, well, this soldier likes football. 372 00:24:57.660 --> 00:24:59.519 That soldier is into cake baking. 373 00:24:59.579 --> 00:25:02.400 Like, you know, you just give them character. 374 00:25:02.460 --> 00:25:04.319 You give them things to talk about. 375 00:25:04.380 --> 00:25:09.180 But because you've got so many things to tick off your whiteboard checklist. 376 00:25:09.240 --> 00:25:11.160 You don't have time for that. 377 00:25:11.220 --> 00:25:17.579 And in fact, there's that kiss between Price and Mace at the very end, which I think is really cool and the reaction to it is great. 378 00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:19.500 They're sort of slightly embarrassed or whatever. 379 00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:21.000 But who cares? 380 00:25:21.059 --> 00:25:23.279 All she's done is a countdown. 381 00:25:23.339 --> 00:25:24.240 I know. 382 00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:25.980 She's had little... 383 00:25:25.980 --> 00:25:28.079 Corporal Bell had better dialogue back in the... 384 00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:29.640 Corporal Bell. 385 00:25:29.700 --> 00:25:35.039 Don't we miss the days of Corporal Bell, Mike Yeats, facing off against, you know, 3 Daleks in Bessie? 386 00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:43.980 You know, apparently Jenkins was named after that line in the demon. 387 00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:44.339 Oh, yeah. 388 00:25:44.460 --> 00:25:45.960 Sorry, in the demons? 389 00:25:46.019 --> 00:25:47.220 How are we gonna pronounce that? 390 00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:48.779 like you do the Latin? 391 00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:49.799 Yeah, we... 392 00:25:49.799 --> 00:25:52.200 Pertuy changes his mind halfway through the episode. 393 00:25:52.259 --> 00:26:06.900 Also, someone was telling me that, like, Latin, like, so there's no agreed pronunciation, like, I think it might have been even a John Lecaro, where it said, like, if depending which private school you went to, is how you pronounce things in Latin. 394 00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:13.500 So in the 19th century, people speaking Latin to each other from different European countries couldn't understand one another. 395 00:26:13.559 --> 00:26:17.700 But there is a kind of standard pronunciation agreed on here. 396 00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:24.779 And when David Tennant says what I would say was Dawn I Noby's Parkam, he does church Latin version of that. 397 00:26:24.900 --> 00:26:29.220 So that's Donna Noble's name was always a Christmas joke, wasn't it? 398 00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:30.420 For Runaway Bride. 399 00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:33.000 And then it just sort of sticks, but it gets referenced here. 400 00:26:33.059 --> 00:26:53.700 And I actually quite like, um, we had reservations about this scene last week because Donna's too scared or something or too unsure of her own competence, but remember the scene where, yeah, the scene where she's talking to the doctor on the phone and going out and disabling the teleport or whatever or re-enabling it. 401 00:26:53.759 --> 00:26:59.519 I think part of the problem with that scene, like, yes, she should have more agency and she shouldn't be that scared. 402 00:26:59.579 --> 00:27:12.119 But on paper and in, and what has been verbal in this episode is that the Santarians are an absolutely ruthless, terrifying race of people. 403 00:27:12.180 --> 00:27:14.339 Like the doctor has been on about that. 404 00:27:14.460 --> 00:27:17.880 Like you can't kill them with bullets, you can't shoot nuclear weapons at them. 405 00:27:17.940 --> 00:27:20.819 They are the most vicious fighters in the universe. 406 00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:27.420 So that's been said, but it's all been tell don't show, which is a sin in television. 407 00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:28.319 Word peril. 408 00:27:28.380 --> 00:27:28.799 Yeah. 409 00:27:28.859 --> 00:27:35.220 And we haven't seen them do anything other than throw shade at a teenager that runs a website. 410 00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:40.680 That's been the worst thing they did last week Well, they did shoot 2 guys in the leg. 411 00:27:40.740 --> 00:27:44.160 It is exactly the opposite of what they're supposed to be. 412 00:27:44.220 --> 00:27:53.819 Yeah, they should be horrific, you know, martial creatures and they're so like writing wise, of course she should be more reticent than anything else she's done. 413 00:27:53.880 --> 00:28:05.880 But because we haven't seen anything, any evidence of their horrific behaviour, it feels unsatisfying that she's not prepared to go out there, but she's been told. 414 00:28:05.940 --> 00:28:07.380 Well, absolutely. 415 00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:17.099 But also, there is one scene, I think, in this episode where it is quite nasty, and it's the scene where the unit soldiers are massacred, and that's a setup for later on when they fight back. 416 00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:18.660 But it really is quite nasty. 417 00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:21.180 You see, a lot of people screaming and dying. 418 00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:23.279 And that's unusual for Russell's Doctor Who. 419 00:28:23.339 --> 00:28:24.180 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 420 00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:29.400 Oh, just unusual for unit in general, because unit episodes, generally no one can shoot straight. 421 00:28:29.460 --> 00:28:29.940 Yeah. 422 00:28:29.940 --> 00:28:31.079 On either side. 423 00:28:32.220 --> 00:28:45.000 But that would have worked if Donna had been in those scenes or experienced those scenes, but there's a disconnect there, like she's heard a lot, but she hasn't seen it. 424 00:28:45.059 --> 00:28:51.900 If she had witnessed these people being massacred, her fear would have been justified. 425 00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:54.599 Also, Dan Rosti firsthand. 426 00:28:54.660 --> 00:29:00.900 Also, the internal logic of the episode is bad because it starts with her flying the Tartars. 427 00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:02.579 It's like, oh, I'm good at this now. 428 00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:08.759 And then it ends with her being afraid to leave the target. you're like, well, you've written yourself in a circle there. 429 00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:11.640 So clearly the flying the TARDIS thing is added. 430 00:29:11.700 --> 00:29:17.640 I'm saying that's Russell, and that it's part of the ongoing arc to make the doctor and Donna the same. 431 00:29:17.700 --> 00:29:21.420 And so it is just there for that reason, don't you think? 432 00:29:21.539 --> 00:29:23.640 And you have the doctor saying, I can't believe you're doing this. 433 00:29:23.700 --> 00:29:28.140 That plot with Donna, I think, gets maybe 2 points. 434 00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:33.299 And one is the phone call when she calls Wilf and Sylvia. 435 00:29:33.299 --> 00:29:36.299 And Sylvia's 1st instinct is to put her down. 436 00:29:36.359 --> 00:29:40.980 Yeah, you know, accuse her of being too smart and all of that. 437 00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:45.839 And then she catches herself and it's like a proper supportive phone call. 438 00:29:45.900 --> 00:30:01.019 But her 1st instinct is to be nasty to Donna, and I think that characterisation and giving Donna that relationship with her mother is another part of like recreating her character to be something interesting enough to hold 13 episodes. 439 00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:02.940 Do you think there's a contrast? 440 00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:06.599 It's not particularly well drawn, but there's contrast there between the doctor building Donner up. 441 00:30:06.660 --> 00:30:07.200 You can do this. 442 00:30:07.259 --> 00:30:09.299 You can fly tires, you're all brilliant. 443 00:30:09.420 --> 00:30:12.660 And then she speaks to her mum and her mum brings her back again. 444 00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:13.799 I think that's good. 445 00:30:13.859 --> 00:30:20.400 And then I do think the other one is just that bit at the end where she says they've seen me and just her performance there. 446 00:30:20.460 --> 00:30:21.539 I think is really good. 447 00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:22.799 I'm very excited. 448 00:30:22.859 --> 00:30:25.799 You know, the big finish of doing a Donna box set. 449 00:30:25.859 --> 00:30:31.200 I want to know when big finish are going to do a box set about the American news reader because she's in so many of these roses. 450 00:30:31.259 --> 00:30:33.599 She should have her own box set. 451 00:30:33.660 --> 00:30:34.200 Surely. 452 00:30:34.259 --> 00:30:36.240 Trinity Wells Reports. 453 00:30:36.539 --> 00:30:39.839 Just say it twice more, James, and you'll get it. 454 00:30:42.900 --> 00:30:43.859 Do you want me to? 455 00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:44.339 No. 456 00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:48.720 How about we have a unit box set with our unit characters from this story? 457 00:30:48.779 --> 00:30:51.660 Oh, I hate to listen to that. you imagine? 458 00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:53.099 You don't even have to watch. 459 00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:53.640 Just listen. 460 00:30:53.700 --> 00:30:59.460 What was that thing that Josh Snares posted the other day? 461 00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:07.740 Oh, um... of Martha and Malpha. 462 00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:09.480 And apparently Martha's doing a box set. 463 00:31:09.539 --> 00:31:12.660 I know, I saw there was a thing the other day. 464 00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:18.180 You know how they find these things out because idiots put it on their CB months before. 465 00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:22.619 And yeah, someone has is in the Toclophane stories. 466 00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:26.759 Oh, it's going to be all about Martha Wandering the World, telling her story. 467 00:31:26.819 --> 00:31:28.140 I mean, there'd been 4 books of that. 468 00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:29.519 Now they're going to... 469 00:31:29.579 --> 00:31:35.579 And that's, that's a, well, that could probably work quite well going to in audio. 470 00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:36.599 Yeah. 471 00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:40.019 And look, I mean, I love Freema. 472 00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:40.980 She's great. 473 00:31:40.980 --> 00:31:41.940 Not well used this season. 474 00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:42.420 No. 475 00:31:42.420 --> 00:31:45.660 But she was great in Series 3. 476 00:31:45.900 --> 00:31:50.220 She has had a very successful career since. 477 00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:51.839 She's a good actor. 478 00:31:51.900 --> 00:31:56.819 And you know, that might be at the heart of the biggest disappointment about this story, is that Martha is really good. 479 00:31:56.819 --> 00:32:03.900 And Martha was important to the audience and then she's brought back and laid low that they don't do a lot with her. 480 00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:09.599 I mean, as much as I hate the storyline with FO Martha pressing the button over and over. 481 00:32:09.660 --> 00:32:14.279 That scene where she talks to herself is glorious. 482 00:32:14.339 --> 00:32:20.039 Like technically that is a difficult scene to play because you are talking to someone who's not there. 483 00:32:20.099 --> 00:32:24.000 Like you can't even play off the person, like it's a stand-in, obviously. 484 00:32:24.059 --> 00:32:37.500 But she plays both of those characters in such distinctly different ways that you do go, oh, this is this clone Martha is sad at what she's had to do and the life that she's been given. 485 00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:42.420 And the other Martha is like, it is a really beautiful, beautiful moment. 486 00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:51.660 And you get to see Freema Adjumen doing something that she's not been allowed to do in the whole rest of her time on the show, which is act. 487 00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:56.160 She'll get kind of acting moments next week, but they'll be stupid. 488 00:32:56.519 --> 00:33:05.339 So you have to think that that scene is kind of let's give Freeman something, you know, like something to do. 489 00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:08.640 I mean, the fact, the fact that, you know, I mean, you're going to talk about this next week. 490 00:33:08.700 --> 00:33:17.160 But the fact that she manages to carry half an episode talking to a bubble machine is incredible. 491 00:33:17.220 --> 00:33:25.140 Like anyone else could have made that as stupid as it looks, but she endows it with a lot more gravitas than it actually needs. 492 00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:26.819 Same as when she's being shot off into the sun. 493 00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:27.480 Yeah. 494 00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:29.339 But 42. 495 00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:41.400 Like, she's so good in those in that episode that you're just like, this could have been the worst thing that ever happened in this show and she drags it back down to a level that it is not as dumb as it looks. 496 00:33:41.460 --> 00:33:42.119 Yeah. 497 00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:49.079 But I have to think that someone on the production team hates her because he or she's like covered in KY. 498 00:33:49.140 --> 00:33:52.319 Next week she's flailing about in mud. 499 00:33:52.380 --> 00:33:56.220 She's got ageing makeup on torchwood this season. 500 00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:58.980 Like, she really, it's... 501 00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:00.720 It's not that anyone hates her. 502 00:34:00.779 --> 00:34:02.460 It's because they know she can do it. 503 00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:11.460 Like, I'm friends with Kimberly Cooper, who used to be on Home and Away, and she went through a period where I think she was a lesbian. 504 00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:18.300 She was possibly raped and held by terrorists, like all within the space of about 8 weeks. 505 00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:20.280 And I was like, why do they keep making you do this? 506 00:34:20.340 --> 00:34:22.679 And she's like, because the other richest can't. 507 00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:29.039 It's like they write a storyline for, say, you know, Bet can't write Nee Hewitt. 508 00:34:29.340 --> 00:34:33.360 And then they go, oh, she actually can't do this. 509 00:34:33.420 --> 00:34:38.219 And whereas with Freeman, it's like, yeah, let's put her through the ringer because she can do it. 510 00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:40.079 Like, we can trust her to do this. 511 00:34:40.139 --> 00:34:45.420 Like she's a decent actor and we can just throw anything at her and she's like, yep. mud. 512 00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:45.840 I'm in. 513 00:34:45.900 --> 00:34:47.159 I mean, I can do mud. 514 00:34:47.219 --> 00:34:52.320 Let's not forget the greatest indignity foisted upon her wearing that brown jacket for episodes on end. 515 00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:53.880 I love watching that. 516 00:35:07.260 --> 00:35:11.579 Can we talk about another fine acting performance? 517 00:35:11.940 --> 00:35:13.559 Luke. 518 00:35:13.619 --> 00:35:16.380 Everyone hates Luke, don't they? 519 00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:17.280 Are they right? 520 00:35:17.340 --> 00:35:17.699 Yeah. 521 00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:19.440 Luke Brannagan. 522 00:35:19.500 --> 00:35:20.519 Did you say Brannigan? 523 00:35:20.579 --> 00:35:20.880 Yeah. 524 00:35:20.940 --> 00:35:22.260 No, Ratican. 525 00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:23.880 No, I call him Brattigan, right? 526 00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:26.400 He's like a 12 year old. 527 00:35:26.460 --> 00:35:28.800 I keep money to call him Terence for some reason. 528 00:35:28.860 --> 00:35:29.880 It's the playwright. 529 00:35:29.940 --> 00:35:31.139 Taron's ready. 530 00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:39.659 Well, Radigan's like a recycled name because that was the original name of the foster... 531 00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:40.260 Oh, yeah, yeah. 532 00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:41.639 She was originally misreading it. 533 00:35:41.699 --> 00:35:42.960 Well, in the script, she was misreading. 534 00:35:43.019 --> 00:35:43.320 Right. 535 00:35:43.380 --> 00:35:46.619 It's a pointless character. 536 00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:48.960 It's a thoughtless performance. 537 00:35:49.019 --> 00:35:59.760 It's like why the Santarans were even, you know, lowering themselves to spend time with him, let alone join in whatever this mysterious plan is. 538 00:35:59.820 --> 00:36:10.019 And so he has a chip on his shoulder because he's very smart and people were mean to him and it causes him to behave in a way that is just absolutely incomprehensible. 539 00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:13.980 Oh my god, the running terrible joke about the Atmos system. 540 00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:16.500 It can't be system, because the Astanstra system. 541 00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:19.380 Yeah, people who go crazy about the ATM machine. 542 00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:20.159 Yeah, yeah. 543 00:36:20.219 --> 00:36:26.519 And I wrote a thing for hard quiz about DC comics because DC stands for detective comics. 544 00:36:26.579 --> 00:36:29.219 So it's technically detective comics comics. 545 00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:32.400 In fact, it's just a normal thing that happens in English all the time. 546 00:36:32.460 --> 00:36:41.519 But it's also like David Tennant correcting his use of was instead of were, which, as far as I'm concerned, is perfectly reasonable English and shut up. 547 00:36:41.579 --> 00:36:43.440 Yeah, I get... 548 00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:47.099 No, it's not. point of that scene, but it's kind of witless the way it... 549 00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:48.059 Well, yeah, yeah. 550 00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:51.719 But, well, it's a script written by a script editor. 551 00:36:51.780 --> 00:36:52.260 Yeah. 552 00:36:52.260 --> 00:37:01.199 So, of course, it's about, oh, well, I'm going to write a scene about all the things I've had to correct from all these scripts over the years, so, my lord, the things that are in these scripts are terrible. 553 00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:07.800 It's the thing where you mistake levels of formality for correctness and incorrectness. just annoys me enormously. 554 00:37:08.460 --> 00:37:17.460 And the script itself makes it clear that his reaction is stupid because he surrounded himself by geniuses, who he... 555 00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:18.000 Yes. 556 00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:18.659 Yes. 557 00:37:18.780 --> 00:37:19.980 Reggie. 558 00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:20.400 Yes, yeah. 559 00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:21.659 This weird cult that is later. 560 00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:28.019 He thinks that they're going to be Ruth and Adam in invasion of the dinosaur. 561 00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:29.579 It's a far better story. 562 00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:30.719 I know. 563 00:37:30.780 --> 00:37:32.880 Like the Golden Dawn thing is fascinating. 564 00:37:32.940 --> 00:37:34.860 But what is he doing? 565 00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:46.199 No, so he thinks that they're going to stand there and watch their families all suffocate and then happily go off with him to join his carefully worked out breeding program. 566 00:37:46.260 --> 00:37:51.119 And like, it's not really played for laughs or anything like that. 567 00:37:51.179 --> 00:37:52.440 It's super weird. 568 00:37:52.860 --> 00:37:55.800 And what's with this breeding programming? 569 00:37:55.860 --> 00:37:57.239 He's evidently a gay. 570 00:37:57.719 --> 00:37:59.639 Well, he's breeding them. 571 00:37:59.940 --> 00:38:07.260 There's a strange lapse of logic here because in the 1st episode, 1st scene when they're throwing out that journalist, they look brainwashed or something. 572 00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:08.880 They look like his private army. 573 00:38:08.940 --> 00:38:10.559 They don't have any emotional faces. 574 00:38:10.619 --> 00:38:18.179 And yet in this episode, they just look like normal people who've been standing at their benches in a laboratory developing ion drives or whatever. 575 00:38:18.420 --> 00:38:21.179 Yeah, we don't even get their own laboratories. 576 00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:22.980 They're all just in adjacent tables. 577 00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:25.199 Some of them have got test tubes. 578 00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:26.760 That's fine, yeah. 579 00:38:26.820 --> 00:38:29.820 But suddenly they're real people going, what the hell are you doing? 580 00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:31.019 And the 2 don't mesh up. 581 00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:31.920 No, no. 582 00:38:31.980 --> 00:38:38.699 I mean, it's almost, again, I'm going to blame a director who goes, oh yeah, there's hypnotised people in this episode, so you're all hypnotised. 583 00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:51.780 Like not having read the entire script or not having it in his because part of a director's job is to know the entire script backwards and forwards and to know how one scene relates to another, even if you're filming completely out of order. 584 00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:56.760 So he should know that these are not the same hypnotised people as work at the factory. 585 00:38:56.820 --> 00:38:58.980 But maybe that wasn't spelled out enough in this group. 586 00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:02.579 So he's the Peter Moffatt of the... 587 00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:04.559 Well, he does go on to direct things like listen. 588 00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:06.960 Yeah. 589 00:39:07.260 --> 00:39:10.679 Again, the monster popping up from the bed. 590 00:39:10.739 --> 00:39:12.360 How was that an imaginary monster? 591 00:39:13.139 --> 00:39:15.000 Let's not talk about this. 592 00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:18.780 I think Radikan is a difficult character to get on board with because no one likes a boy genius. 593 00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:23.579 No one learned the Wesley Crusher lesson at the Adrick. 594 00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:25.260 Well, absolutely. 595 00:39:25.380 --> 00:39:26.760 Oh my god, he's that drink. 596 00:39:26.820 --> 00:39:29.400 He's sort of smug and he's ratty. 597 00:39:29.460 --> 00:39:30.840 Why is he American? 598 00:39:30.900 --> 00:39:33.480 Do you think it's just startup culture? 599 00:39:33.539 --> 00:39:37.500 Like it's kind of like he invented a search engine so he's American for some reason? 600 00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:38.460 Why? 601 00:39:38.460 --> 00:39:39.360 Why can't I? 602 00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:39.840 Why wouldn't? 603 00:39:40.619 --> 00:39:42.719 Why has he gone to England? 604 00:39:42.780 --> 00:39:45.179 Like, he, that guy's not American, is he? 605 00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:45.840 He's British. 606 00:39:45.900 --> 00:39:46.920 He's doing an accent. 607 00:39:46.980 --> 00:39:48.659 Not well. 608 00:39:48.719 --> 00:39:50.699 Well, you know who he is? 609 00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:55.199 He's the fictional forerunner to that guy, Martin Schrelli. 610 00:39:55.260 --> 00:39:56.039 I think his name. 611 00:39:56.099 --> 00:40:08.699 Yeah, who took over the company and like, which made a toxoplasmosis drug and then hiked up the price by 1500% or something and said, well, my investors expect to return and was basically the most hated man. 612 00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:12.300 And he was the one who bought the Wu-Tang Clan album that he was only one copy of. 613 00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:12.599 Yes. 614 00:40:12.659 --> 00:40:13.139 Yes, yes. 615 00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:14.099 Is he in jail now? 616 00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:15.059 He's in jail on it. 617 00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:15.900 Hooray. 618 00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:23.820 So he was someone who was smug and annoying and ratty faced and, you know, thought that they were better than everybody else. 619 00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:25.860 And so that's the kind of character we're going for here. 620 00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:33.780 However, having said that, I remember not being particularly sold on Ryan Sampson's performance and I am now. 621 00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:37.980 I think he is doing by far the best job you could do with that character. 622 00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:47.219 He's annoying and he's abrasive and he's vulnerable and it is a weird choice of accent, but I quite like it because it makes the character more annoying. 623 00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:51.179 And I think no one could have done better with that character. 624 00:40:51.239 --> 00:41:01.679 But it does feel like we said yesterday, or yesterday, last episode, the last week, last week, when it's like a Sarah Jane Adventures character, like it's too broad. 625 00:41:01.739 --> 00:41:11.940 Yeah, but I think sometimes some of the underplaying that we get elsewhere, some of the forgettable characters elsewhere in this story, that's a worse sin. 626 00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:14.519 I think than what Radican does, probably. 627 00:41:14.579 --> 00:41:20.280 Yeah, I think the story would be much worse off without his performance because he brings a much naked colour. a failure of direction. 628 00:41:20.340 --> 00:41:22.260 It's like he should have been reined in. 629 00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:32.280 Some of the others should have been encouraged to, you know, jump in with both feet and it's instead we just get this weird, Oh yeah, whatever you're doing on the day will be fine. 630 00:41:32.340 --> 00:41:37.980 I think if he was reined in, then he would completely disappear in the scenes against David Tennant. 631 00:41:38.219 --> 00:41:42.300 Surely he's having a competition with Chris Ryan. 632 00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:44.280 Chris Ryan and David Tennant. 633 00:41:44.340 --> 00:41:46.920 I'm surprised there's any scenery left. 634 00:41:47.099 --> 00:41:50.340 Well, see, I actually don't think he's that over the top. 635 00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:51.780 I really don't. 636 00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:57.480 I think he's doing what the character is calling for him to do, which is a big ask of any actor. 637 00:41:57.539 --> 00:42:11.039 But I think he's actually pitching those scenes quite well because a defining aspect of this character is meant to be that he thinks he's cleverer than anyone else and gets extremely agitated if someone points out that he's not. 638 00:42:11.099 --> 00:42:14.760 So when things start to get away from his control, he just becomes petulant child. 639 00:42:14.820 --> 00:42:19.619 I'm not sure that was a great idea at the scripting stage, but you can't put it on Ryan. 640 00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:20.340 I think he does well. 641 00:42:20.460 --> 00:42:23.820 And also, he's in plebs, as Grumio. 642 00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:26.400 And he is fantastic. 643 00:42:26.400 --> 00:42:27.960 He's really good in... 644 00:42:28.019 --> 00:42:30.059 He's in a couple of big finishes and he's really good in that. 645 00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:31.619 He's great at comedy. 646 00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:33.179 Yeah, he's a good actor. 647 00:42:33.239 --> 00:42:38.699 It's just, this is a thankless, as you say, a thankless role and it's a nightmare of a character. 648 00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:51.300 It's just not like he's too annoying to be like this is the thing that annoys me in this episode is like everyone is painted in such broad strokes that we get nothing. 649 00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:56.820 I think it was a strange character to go for at the conceptual stage. 650 00:42:56.880 --> 00:42:58.920 Maybe something better would have been a Donald Trump Jr. 651 00:42:58.980 --> 00:43:07.679 You need someone who's got militaristic entitled tendencies who would see something like the Santarians as a key to power. 652 00:43:07.739 --> 00:43:09.900 Yeah, yeah. like a venture capitalist. 653 00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:11.219 Listen to this, Donald Trump Jr. 654 00:43:11.699 --> 00:43:14.699 He is very rarely linked to the factory. 655 00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:22.380 Like, I don't see like the unit go to the factory to investigate this machine, which supposedly has something to do with him. 656 00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:23.579 He maybe invented it. 657 00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:24.119 Who knows? 658 00:43:24.179 --> 00:43:26.159 But we never get that connection. 659 00:43:26.219 --> 00:43:30.840 Like we never have the what ties them together apart from that scene with a journalist right at the start. 660 00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:31.500 Yeah. 661 00:43:31.500 --> 00:43:34.320 And then we never hear from him being involved at all. 662 00:43:34.380 --> 00:43:37.800 Next thing, he's trying to go to another planet and he's hanging out with some tyrants. 663 00:43:37.860 --> 00:43:46.679 There's a single line from general style about we only needed you for the Atmos technology. 664 00:43:46.739 --> 00:43:47.460 That's it. 665 00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:52.500 That's like literally the script just ties them together but going, yeah, he created this thing and they used him. 666 00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:53.340 Yeah. 667 00:43:53.400 --> 00:44:00.900 And, and you know, that that collection of geniuses that were going to another planet, the Santarans just expected to just shoot them all on arrival. 668 00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:03.000 So what even is that? 669 00:44:03.059 --> 00:44:04.619 Like what's going on here? 670 00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:08.460 Again, it's, it's, listen to how evil we are. 671 00:44:08.519 --> 00:44:12.719 We're not going to do anything evil, but listen to how evil we're thinking of being. 672 00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:17.340 But also, given they're supposed to be sort of honourable in battle. 673 00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:18.900 How is that honourable in battle to shoot? 674 00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:24.059 Oh, no, there's so many mentions of them being dishonourable some Tyrons in this. 675 00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:29.760 Like, I feel like, now this is a big finish story we need to do is this dishonourable bunch of... 676 00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:38.579 It's not torrents who's split up from the main faction and they're being chased around the universe for being not properly Santarin. 677 00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:41.400 There was a flaw in their cloning. 678 00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:45.420 It may have made them slide. 679 00:44:54.900 --> 00:45:00.480 All right, it's the 2nd episode of a two-parter, and that means picks of the week. 680 00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:04.199 So James, do you have something for us? 681 00:45:04.500 --> 00:45:17.699 Yeah, so my pick of the week is, I think it's probably one of the better cleverer comedies that the BBC has made in the last 10 or so years. 682 00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:24.000 It's a Jessica Hines created, written and starring comedy. 683 00:45:24.059 --> 00:45:25.320 It was based? 684 00:45:25.380 --> 00:45:25.980 No. 685 00:45:26.039 --> 00:45:28.139 She was still Stevenson. 686 00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:29.820 It was on BBC 4. 687 00:45:30.059 --> 00:45:33.599 Okay And it's Up the Women. 688 00:45:33.659 --> 00:45:34.679 Oh, okay. 689 00:45:34.739 --> 00:45:44.039 Which takes the women's suffrage movement and makes it into quite a sort of witty little comedy. 690 00:45:44.099 --> 00:45:54.420 Get out. and it has Ryan Sampson in it playing a very effete sort of suitor to one of to one of the young ladies. and it's just fantastic. 691 00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:56.579 It also has Rebecca Front in it. 692 00:45:56.639 --> 00:45:58.920 Ah, and Nick Pepperdine. 693 00:45:59.340 --> 00:46:02.519 So, yeah, find it and watch it. 694 00:46:02.579 --> 00:46:07.619 They only lasted 9 episodes, they made a 3 episode, 1st season, a 6 episode, 2nd season. 695 00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:08.940 And then that was it. 696 00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:10.800 That's what they do in England generally. 697 00:46:10.860 --> 00:46:12.659 Like Doctor Who is an outlier. 698 00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:13.739 Really? 699 00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:16.380 Like, for doing more than 4 episodes. 700 00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:18.840 And most drama is no more than six. 701 00:46:18.900 --> 00:46:19.440 Yeah. 702 00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:22.679 Maybe it should have ended at episode 13. 703 00:46:23.099 --> 00:46:24.719 How about that? 704 00:46:24.780 --> 00:46:26.699 We would have finished this by now. 705 00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:28.260 Yeah, but you've been done. 706 00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:31.380 Adam, do you have a pic of the week? 707 00:46:33.059 --> 00:46:40.019 I watched a thing on Netflix called The Stranger, which is based on a Harlan Coben book. 708 00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:43.320 Not to be confused with The Stranger, which is on my view at the moment. 709 00:46:43.380 --> 00:46:45.780 Yeah, the old Australian tilted Doctor Who. 710 00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:48.239 Also, not to be confused with Bill Baggs, the Stranger. 711 00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:49.739 Or the Colin. 712 00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:51.840 Yes, the Colin Baker. version. 713 00:46:51.900 --> 00:46:55.440 No, it's a handy title to have. 714 00:46:55.559 --> 00:47:01.320 It's produced by Nicolas Schindler, who is the red production company. 715 00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:05.219 I've done like years and years. all that kind of thing. 716 00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:10.860 And I feel like Netflix have contacted her and gone, we want to do a broad church. 717 00:47:11.340 --> 00:47:16.320 And so it like they have thrown some money at actors. 718 00:47:16.380 --> 00:47:21.239 It's Richard Armitage, um, Hannah John Cayman, is that a name? 719 00:47:21.300 --> 00:47:23.639 you know, from the wasp and the Ant-man. 720 00:47:23.699 --> 00:47:25.739 She's the stranger. 721 00:47:26.340 --> 00:47:31.380 Jennifer Saunders is in it. won me over at that. 722 00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:33.300 This is O'Brien from downtown. 723 00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:35.760 The Morax. 724 00:47:36.179 --> 00:47:40.380 Like, it is just like, oh, Sean Dooley's in it. 725 00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:43.440 Like it is just a roll call of amazing British actors. 726 00:47:43.500 --> 00:47:44.519 This sounds wonderful. 727 00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:45.539 How have I not heard of this? 728 00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:48.179 And it is like it's, I think it's 8 episodes. 729 00:47:48.179 --> 00:47:52.739 And each one, the end of each episode is like the end of an episode of Broadchurch where you're like, no. 730 00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:55.260 I have to watch the next one. 731 00:47:55.320 --> 00:48:04.559 And then you'll get to the end and you'll be like, if this was an American show, I would have called bullshit 4 episodes ago because there are too many coincidences. 732 00:48:04.619 --> 00:48:13.559 Too many things that tie into each other and you're like, how is this not, like, that was the plot hole and now that, like, but it is because it's British, it is so compelling. 733 00:48:13.619 --> 00:48:14.519 Anthony Head is in it. 734 00:48:15.300 --> 00:48:21.239 Like you just get to the end of it and you're like, that was terrible and amazing all at the same time. 735 00:48:21.300 --> 00:48:24.179 I love, it's, it is a proper binge watch show. 736 00:48:24.239 --> 00:48:26.400 Like you can't stop watching once you got to the end of it. 737 00:48:26.460 --> 00:48:28.440 I don't want to watch the next one. 738 00:48:28.500 --> 00:48:38.880 I had a conversation with a writer recently about why am I reticent to watch a movie, but I will happily watch 8 episodes of a TV show and she goes, because a TV show doesn't ask you for 2.5 hours. 739 00:48:38.940 --> 00:48:41.340 A TV show only asks you for an hour. 740 00:48:41.400 --> 00:48:48.119 If you choose to spend another hour, that's your choice and then another hour and then another hour. 741 00:48:48.179 --> 00:48:56.639 Which is why you only get, what is it, like, 7 seconds before a streaming service flips over to the next episode? 742 00:48:56.699 --> 00:48:58.380 Oh, no, I've turned that off on all of them. 743 00:48:58.440 --> 00:48:59.159 Oh, okay. 744 00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:03.119 I've turned, like, I have to consciously press the button to go onto the next one. 745 00:49:03.179 --> 00:49:05.940 Like, it's my choice to go on to the next one. 746 00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:10.019 Like, I can't deal with skipping ahead and missing the credits. 747 00:49:10.139 --> 00:49:13.260 I love an opening question. lost whole weekends. 748 00:49:13.380 --> 00:49:16.019 I'm not sure that that model fits all. 749 00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:19.860 I mean, there's an episode coming up next week at Doc 2, which I think asks for 2.5 hours. 750 00:49:19.980 --> 00:49:22.559 And it's only 50 minutes long. 751 00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:28.559 And has some very questionable... 752 00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:30.360 Human relations behind the scenes. 753 00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:34.139 So, Peter. 754 00:49:34.139 --> 00:49:36.840 My pics of the week are going to be short and sweet. 755 00:49:36.900 --> 00:49:45.780 One is the horror of Fang Rock. fan, favourite, because you know that if Russell had stayed for 15 series, then the Rootens would have been the big comeback in the early 2 passer. 756 00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:49.079 Maybe we got one this week with Colonel Mace. 757 00:49:49.139 --> 00:49:52.079 I'm not entirely sure. 758 00:49:52.139 --> 00:49:57.300 I thought when Jody Whittaker ran up to the lighthouse the other day, there was going to be a root on it. 759 00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:16.380 I was thinking maybe it will be, I could recommend Elite, which is a Spanish school-based series on Netflix where you go behind the scenes of this very rich and impressive academy and it's filled with lots of beautiful people with lots of machinations and sex. 760 00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:19.199 And I mean, how would that have improved the Ratican Academy? 761 00:50:19.260 --> 00:50:20.460 I don't know. 762 00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:22.380 Yeah, more banging. 763 00:50:22.619 --> 00:50:25.139 Not with Luke Rattigan. 764 00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:28.019 I don't know, it's not unpretty. 765 00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:28.739 No, no, no. 766 00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:34.139 So my pick of the week is Armando Yanucci's new show, which is called Avenue 5. 767 00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:40.199 It stars Hugh Laurie, and it has Rebecca Front in it, which we were required to mention her. 768 00:50:40.260 --> 00:50:41.340 Yep, she's fabulous. 769 00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:42.300 Tragically applied. 770 00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:42.659 Yep. 771 00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:50.280 And you know how Star Trek is kind of very 60s is this sort of great liberal project. 772 00:50:50.340 --> 00:50:53.400 It's sort of multicultural route to explore the stars and stuff. 773 00:50:53.460 --> 00:50:56.460 It's got a very sort of Kennedy era vibe. 774 00:50:56.699 --> 00:51:09.480 This has a very kind of 2020 vibe where everything's being run by absolute morons and there's a massive disaster that we sort of galaxy accident that we can't agree on and all sorts of things. 775 00:51:09.539 --> 00:51:16.619 And so it is, um, you know, the TV show starring a bunch of people on a spaceship that is made for us now in 2020. 776 00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:23.159 I do love that Americans make utopian science fiction and the Brits make dystopians. 777 00:51:23.940 --> 00:51:26.099 Why is it called Avenue Five? 778 00:51:26.219 --> 00:51:28.139 It's the name of the ship, but I don't know why. 779 00:51:28.500 --> 00:51:30.119 I don't know. 780 00:51:30.179 --> 00:51:32.039 Is it a 5th Avenue reference or something? 781 00:51:32.099 --> 00:51:38.400 There's some, there are critiques of capitalism in it, obviously, because, of course, someone on 5th Avenue. 782 00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:40.739 Yeah, I'm not quite sure. 783 00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:41.460 Maybe I'll find out. 784 00:51:41.579 --> 00:51:43.500 But it's very good. 785 00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:46.260 And if you like Inucci, and of course, you do. 786 00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:49.019 I can suggest definitely checking it out. 787 00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:50.039 Well there we go. 788 00:51:50.099 --> 00:51:51.539 I'm there for 2 new series this week. 789 00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:52.320 Brilliant. 790 00:51:52.380 --> 00:51:53.880 Don't hate me for the stranger. 791 00:51:54.179 --> 00:51:57.420 It is wonderful and terrible all at the same time. 792 00:52:29.099 --> 00:52:31.500 Well, Elvisra, that's all. 793 00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:32.820 We got time for this week. 794 00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:40.619 The TARDIS is completely out of control, but we're sure we'll be back next week in time to watch a fish drown in the doctor's daughter. 795 00:52:40.739 --> 00:52:56.099 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts, and you can keep up with us at flight through entirety on Facebook at FTE podcast on Twitter, and on our website, FlightthroughEntirety.com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger, and Jody into Tara. 796 00:52:56.159 --> 00:52:58.019 Adam, where can people find you? 797 00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:03.480 At Adam Richard on Twitter and Instagram, Fabulous Adam Richard on Facebook, Adam Richard.com.au. 798 00:53:03.539 --> 00:53:06.780 Until next time, maybe leave the car at home. 799 00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:11.400 Remember that when the levels reach 80% density, we're all going to die. 800 00:53:11.460 --> 00:53:14.099 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 801 00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:15.000 Good night. 802 00:53:15.059 --> 00:53:15.539 Good night. 803 00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:16.199 Good night. 804 00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:23.760 That was Flight for Entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, Peter Griffiths, Adam Richard and James Selwood. 805 00:53:23.820 --> 00:53:27.480 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, Strings performance by Jane Orberg. 806 00:53:27.539 --> 00:53:35.340 This episode, this soldier, this soldier, this soldier, this soldier, was recorded on the 8th of February 2020, and released on the 12th of April. 807 00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:46.920 Here at FDE, we'd like to apologise that the two-month lag between recording and release means that for most of this series, we are at least one global apocalypse behind. 808 00:53:46.980 --> 00:53:49.800 We hope, at least, that you enjoy the break. 809 00:53:52.860 --> 00:53:53.760 I'm Nathan. 810 00:53:53.820 --> 00:53:54.420 I'm James. 811 00:53:54.659 --> 00:53:56.579 Oh, what? 812 00:53:56.639 --> 00:53:59.400 No, I thought I was... 813 00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:02.039 No, you're the guest. 814 00:54:02.099 --> 00:54:05.519 You're and Adam Richard as Adam. 815 00:54:05.579 --> 00:54:07.380 I was just going to... 816 00:54:07.380 --> 00:54:08.340 I was going clockwise. 817 00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:09.780 No one can see the room. 818 00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:11.219 Let's do it again. 819 00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:12.360 I'm Nathan. 820 00:54:12.420 --> 00:54:13.199 I'm James. 821 00:54:13.260 --> 00:54:13.980 I'm Adam. 822 00:54:17.039 --> 00:54:18.780 And I'm not. not what I am. 823 00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:24.119 I think we just go with that. 824 00:54:24.179 --> 00:54:27.239 All right, I've dropped the recording. who are you again? 825 00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:35.258 Well, we've been stuck in this Peugeot 307 for a week.