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God, I've missed doing these with you.

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Why have we waited 2.5 seasons, Brandon?

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I demand that we do one next year.

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That were my list of things.

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Let's do the doctor's daughter, darling.

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Well, I demand that.

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Yes, that's excellent.

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I think you would probably redeem that for me.

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James, the doctor's daughter, please.

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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight Through

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Entirety.

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The only Doctor Who podcast to produce more than 185 episodes in

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just under 7 days.

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We're exhausted I'm Nathan.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Todd.

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And I'm a Hath.

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Stay away from the bathtop here.

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Well, before we launch into the triumphant home stretch of series

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four, let's take a quick pit stop at an old theatre to make time

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for Donna to do some counting, the doctor to do some gurning and

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for Martha to do some emoting and a drowning fish.

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Sorry, everyone, but it's time for you to meet the doctor's

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daughter.

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So, for me, this is really quite a complex and sensitive

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exploration of the futility of war.

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Is that how you feel about it, Todd?

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What are you talking about?

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I've never thought of it in those terms ever.

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Something about futility in there.

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Sorry, I'm still struggling with jetmag.

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I can't get my brain around that.

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There is a sense, I think, in which it kind of would quite like to

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be that.

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You've got 2 sides of sort of people who are being manufactured at

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scale in order to fight a kind of pointless war with each other.

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They are enemies of each other for no readily apparent reason.

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They're seeking something that's sort of mythological and

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absolutely not important.

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And, you know, when peace is made, the kind of leader of one of

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them can not cope with that and kind of refuses to allow it to

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happen.

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So there is a sense, I think, in which this actually attempts to

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be about something.

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Well, the doctor even references the Vietnam War when they

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discover the human command camp, if you like, in the theatre, he

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quips, oh, perhaps they're doing Miss Saigon.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That is quite good.

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Yeah, is good.

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And that is a choice.

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He's not saying perhaps they're doing any get your gun.

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He's not saying perhaps they're doing Oklahoma.

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He's not saying have a new Q. You know, he picks Miss Saigon

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because that is a musical about war.

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Yeah, with 1000s of Vietnamese children in rags swarming across

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the stage.

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And, you know, you could argue that war is always pointless, but a

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particularly pointless war and one of the 1st wars where a lot of

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the residents of the countries who were in Vietnam were saying

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actually, we probably shouldn't be doing this.

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So why is it so stupid then?

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Well, the tone is more Avenue Q. It's silly is the problem, but

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it's not silly enough to be entertaining.

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It's just it's kind of NAF.

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It's got ideas behind it, but then it doesn't execute any of them

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very well, but it also takes itself very seriously.

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There's not a lot of humour sort of endemic to the story in

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there.

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No.

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Yeah, I think I think you've hit on it there in that it's trying

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to do several things, including, it's trying to be the doctor's

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daughter thought bubble that Russell T. Davies had, and

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understandably, that's an irresistible idea, but it's also the

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Martha Trapped in space story.

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And those 2 things, as we see, are probably enough to fill an

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episode on their own.

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You put both of them together in an episode and neither is

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adequately explored.

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But I also think the problem is the stupid fish.

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I think that's like it is an absolute problem, the half are

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ridiculous.

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And they are ungainly, like they look stupid in profile.

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There's some decent sort of animatronics and stuff in the masks

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but there's whole scenes where there's no dialogue or just

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Martha's dialogue and everyone else is sort of standing around

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bubbling at each other.

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And it's absurd.

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Exactly.

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I mean, talk about a puzzling creative choice.

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Everybody's looking at me because I've gone very quiet, just

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burple at us.

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I like the Hath.

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Do you?

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Okay.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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See, I quite like them too.

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They're quite cute.

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I like them as well.

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I think the only problem with the burbling is it's not subtitled.

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It would have been interesting, I think, to subtitle them for the

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audience because at the beginning, Martha doesn't understand them

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but suddenly she starts understanding them and she's able to talk

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to Peck.

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Yeah, and we don't know at what point there's no realisation or I

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don't think it's at all clear when she, you know, that she

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understands them, isn't it?

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Well, after most of them go off.

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Is she and Pecker looking at the map?

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And the way he responds to her, she then responds to him, you know

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it seems like, oh, that's outside, yeah.

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Well, there's just a bit of radiation.

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Oh yeah, I knew you'd come with me.

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You know, she is responding to what he's saying.

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And I looked into sort of cut material and whatnot because I

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thought maybe there was a line cut where for some reason the

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TARDIS can't translate them, but they give her a translator patch

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or whatever because there's that awesome bit where they're all

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like touching her and touching her.

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Exactly.

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And just, I, God, I love Freema.

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And isn't this episode just a show of Freema will give you 100

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even when she's dealing with a script that asks her to do the most

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ridiculous thing.

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In fact, when Peck dies, she gives them much more than 100%.

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It's miserable, isn't it?

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So we talked last week or the last 2 weeks about the fact that we

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have Freeman back and we get her to play Evil Freeman.

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We don't get her to do any of the things that we really loved her

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for last year.

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And separate her from the doctor for most of those episodes.

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Yeah, that's right.

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And now, like in the cold open, she's immediately separated from

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them.

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She doesn't see them until the end.

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She has no one to kind of give her anything back.

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It's these people in these sort of preposterous masks that she's

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having to interact with the entire time.

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So she's carrying all of these scenes on her own in a plot that is

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completely disposable that could have been excised from the

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episode and we wouldn't have lost anything at all.

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It's really super thankless and they get her to flail about in the

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mud and stuff like that.

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After flailing about in the goo last story as well.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And she has to emote at a drowning fish, as I said, and she really

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goes over the top.

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But I just suspect that she was like super bored, you know?

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She gives it so much more than it deserves.

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And I just, you know, I hail her for that.

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I mean, you know, there's a fish drowning in front of you.

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Oh no.

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I mean, no, I mean, you know, does she feel guilt because she

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lured it out onto the surface and promised it, it would be okay.

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I don't know.

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She doesn't give us the opportunity to say that and she never

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refers to the fish again.

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And even if she did, it might not have understood her.

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It would have just nodded.

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It's a big waste of her.

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And the whole thing sort of screamed contractual obligation

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doesn't it?

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It's kind of like, we'll give you 7 episodes next year or 5

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episodes or whatever.

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She does five, doesn't she?

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Five and 3 torchwood.

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Yeah, it will give you that many episodes, but it really doesn't

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matter what we do with you.

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You're just a kind of warm body standing in front of the camera.

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One of the things originally. when I watched this season was that

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I completely agree with you about Martha and her treatment and

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bringing her back, her 3 episodes for me were by far the weakest

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of the entire season.

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And I really despised the Santara episodes because I hated the

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uses of Santara and how bland unit was.

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And I didn't really like Martha, like very much originally

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either.

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And it was written by Helen Rayner, who wrote that appalling Dalek

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story the previous year.

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So we just had all these black marks.

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And so they were the worst episodes.

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So this episode was slightly better, right?

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Because she actually, well, it wasn't 2 episodes off since Terence

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basically, and it wasn't Helen Rayner.

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Of course, we've explored last series. and Helen's writing of that

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Dalek story, which I probably don't like as much as everybody

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else.

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But coming back to the Santarian one, like I actually said, look

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I'm going to give this a go, like, because I actually could see

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what she was trying to do with the Dalek one.

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And I love Freeman now.

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So, of course, it went from surprise, surprise people to the

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universe.

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Like it went from 5 out of 10 to suddenly 8 out of 10.

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I thought the 1st episode was fabulous, right?

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Except for the cliffhanger, which was just terrible.

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And the 2nd episode's not as good, but I still enjoy it.

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I probably would give it like a 7.25.

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So I was really concerned coming in watching this particular

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episode because I always thought it was one of the weakest 3 of

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the season.

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And I actually think it is the weakest episode of the entire

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year.

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But I still give it.

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Oh my goodness. 7 out of 10.

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I still I enjoy it, right?

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And I enjoy all the talking between the doctor and Donna about his

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past and his family and it actually, I think, gives an opportunity

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to explore that side of things and give it a bit of breath into

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the show, like to reiterate that he does have family, right?

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And what is he like with his 2 hearts and all that sort of stuff.

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And I actually, this time around, I thought there was actually a

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lot of talking about that.

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And I really like that part of the episode.

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And actually, I like the daughter as well.

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And the fact that we've got Martha and I really adored her, right

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this time around.

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I really love.

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I actually love all Peter.

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I actually really love her crying at that fish.

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I actually get enough.

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That sequence, she's giving it.

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You have to give it to her.

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But I actually really think she does a great job there.

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And so for me, it's performances of Freemer and obviously David

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and Georgia, in particular, who I and Catherine, that make me like

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this episode.

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Right.

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It's not old Rumble Bum.

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The whatever his name is the Cobb, General Cobblers, whatever

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who's appalling, and that whole plot.

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It's just a device.

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I think it's more of an explanation about the doctor and his

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relationships with family and educating the new fans of Doctor Who

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a bit about his history, that he does have a history.

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You see, Todd, I think therein lies the problem that Martha

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Freeman is actually giving a good performance in those scenes, but

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the episode doesn't deserve it.

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The episode doesn't deserve that emotional weight because it's too

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lightweight and too disposable.

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And I was saying earlier, it's NAF, but it's not NAF in a fun way

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like New Earth or Evolution of the Daleks, maybe.

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It's just disposable.

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I think, too, that the big problem with her performance in that

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scene is that it's a stupid drowning fish. who she's had a few

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scenes with and now it's, you know, the most affecting death that

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she's ever experienced while she's been with a doctor, apparently.

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Well, she was the last personality.

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Japan.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's it.

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She's been through much, much worse than that.

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It's just bathos, you know, like it just seemed bizarre and

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inappropriate.

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It's great anguish acting, but it just seemed to be wasted on the

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wrong topic.

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Unearned.

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But I don't mind if fish actually drowning because like it's got

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its own little bubbly source of liquid, which may not be the same

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as the liquid in that lake.

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And so when that glass shatters, then it's contaminated.

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And the glass does shatter, I did notice that this time, yeah.

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See, I have never noticed the glass shattering, and I was reading

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that during the dubbing stage.

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They're like, hold on, the fish drown.

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And Russell said, oh, well, just add in the glass breaking.

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And the thing is, I've never noticed it.

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I have actually always been with Tom.

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Like I know I've joined him with a fish drowning joke, but I've

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always been told in that that doesn't look like water.

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No, no.

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You know, that doesn't look like pure water.

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And the doctors told us before, you're 70% water. you can still

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drown.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But still, is a fish that drowns.

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See, I think the purpose of that scene in the plot, which makes it

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both a success and a big problem is that the point of it is to

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give Martha a definite reason to go home.

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Now, yeah, she's already engaged, but of course, this is a massive

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temptation to go on travelling.

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So they give her a really crappy episode.

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She decides she doesn't want to stay.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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She, you know, she has a horrible time in this episode and a

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creature sacrifices itself for her and she has to watch it die.

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And so she's like, no, that's it.

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I can't do this anymore.

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I want to go home.

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But the problem is, the subtext of that is Martha is no longer

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worthy to travel in the Tartars.

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And that's what I got watching this because she's not being Donner

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and being clever and figuring out the mystery.

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Like Martha's big contribution to the plot is that someone dies

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for her.

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Right.

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Again, I don't think that's the intention, but I think that's the

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problem with jamming these 2 plots together.

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It's not considered.

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I don't think it undermines her departure last year because she

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still leaves on her own terms and she still leaves to go to

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something positive and at the very end, there's this sort of

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bizarre moment where she looks at her engagement ring and goes, oh

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that's right, I'm engaged and then kind of walks off.

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I'm engaged to Lucifer, for God's sake.

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Why am I going after that tall streak of misery?

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So, Brendan, basically, are you saying that hell hath no fury like

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a woman's gone?

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Oh God.

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Sorry.

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I actually agree with both Nathan and Brendan in the sense that I

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think this fish dying for her is just a reinforcement of, you know

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all the deaths that she has seen and it's so pointless.

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Yeah, I just think that it just reinforces her decision that this

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is not for her anymore.

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And I don't see, I don't think it undermines her at all.

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I don't see that.

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No, in fact, there's that bit at the very beginning of the episode

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where both Donna and Martha Bond over this being the fun bit of

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the episode, they go out into the TARDIS and discover what the

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world's like, and that's really fun, and both of them appreciate

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it.

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I think their relationship, Donna, and Martha, throughout these 3

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episodes, is actually great.

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I think it's really warm and lovely, and it would have been nice

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to have had another one where they actually got to team up

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separated from the doctor.

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I think that would have been nice They're both sort of in the

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companions club from the start, aren't they?

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They're kind of, even at the start of the Son Torrance, you

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party.

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They kind of embrace each other and recognise each other's kind of

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experience, even if it wasn't shared.

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It's like Rose and Sarah Jane after they got over their initial

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bump in school reunion.

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It's just, it is a lovely relationship.

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And I like at the end when they drop Martha back, how Martha and

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Donna walk off down the street leaving the doctor behind.

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That's great.

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I think it's a little bit of a shame the way the show has gone

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with kind of companions and casting and contracts and stuff that

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that's never happened again, that all of the companions from now

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on will leave for sort of stupid science fiction reasons.

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And so the doctor never ends up having a group of people on earth

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who know him, who like him.

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And I've always felt that Russell gets that right, you know, for

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those 1st 2 seasons, he has a group of people who know him.

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And I always felt that in the 80s, I mean, maybe even in the Colin

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Baker era, the fact that it's just the doctor and Perry, and they

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don't seem to know anyone else, and that always makes me feel a

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little bit sad, you know.

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Yeah, it's like, as to drag us into 2020 for a moment, as much as

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I have really enjoyed series 12 of Doctor Who, I do regret that we

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haven't spent as much time with the cons as I would have liked.

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Like we've had some great scenes with Sonya, but Naja and Hakeem

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have just been pushed off to one side and they're great.

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I would love to see more of Najia.

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Who knows?

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We literally have no idea what's going to happen to the companions

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at the end of this series.

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Yes, for once, you know.

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You know all of you at home, no.

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Yeah, by the time we've, yeah, we are recording this just before

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episode 9 goes out.

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And yeah, we don't know, and that's really exciting.

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But the other thing that made me think of that is, of course, this

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week, Chris Chibnall has said, of course I'd like to bring old

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characters back.

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And he specifically mentions Amy and Rory.

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And initially I rolled my eyes, because I've said before on the

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podcast, I don't really like Amy.

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But then I thought about cold blood, Hungry Earth, Power of 3

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dinosaurs on a spaceship, and it's like, hold on.

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Chris Gibnall writes Amy as really likeable.

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Yeah, Amy and Rory.

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He does a great job of both of them.

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I also want to mention that he wants Tegan and or Ace back as well

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and I'm totally on board for both of those, but especially Tegan.

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Definitely.

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Definitely.

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One performance I really want to praise in this episode is

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actually David Tennant.

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Oh, I dislike him enormously in this.

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Ooh, okay.

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You see, what I like about it is when he's playing the emotional

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stuff about having lost his family, for once he actually

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underplays it to Donna.

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Like when he says to Donna, I was a father.

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He, you know, it's almost a murmur or a whisper.

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He actually says it quietly instead of the rage of a time lord.

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It's, you know, it's genuine pain.

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And then whenever Jenny does anything to impress him, he looks

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thrilled, but there's still this kind of furrowed brow of, no

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don't, don't, don't get attached.

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Don't do it.

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Don't do it.

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So there's one scene where he talks about the legacy of being a

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time law, that being a time lord isn't just about having a certain

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genetics or a certain parentage, that it's about being the heir to

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a sort of long legacy of things.

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And that's when he's being sort of super grandiose and stuff.

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And he's horribly dismissive of Jenny and her identity and her

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experience.

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And I just find that performance so slappable. despite the fact

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that Murray Gold does the little, this is galafray music in a

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really sort of light, soft, gentle kind of elegiac way.

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I think that's beautiful, but tenant's performance there really

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annoys me.

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He's super smug and unlikeable.

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But that is so when he does accept Jenny later in the episode.

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It's it's effective.

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I have always read that performance where he's being like really

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snug and horrid.

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He's being egotistical.

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He's making this about him and about his man pain.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So then Donna kind of says to him, well, you know, if she's got

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the 2 hearts and she's got the perspective of wanting to explore

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and she's got the questioning of why she's fighting.

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How is she different from you?

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Yeah, she doesn't need to have a big collar or be from the sort of

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Prydonian Academy or something.

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And that's what I love about this episode, that Donna takes him

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through this journey from that point that you don't like, right?

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to obviously the scene that you do, Brendan.

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And I love I love all that.

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That's what that's, for me, the real strength and the heart of

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this episode and seeing the doctor come to that realisation.

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I think his terrible pickup a Ghana name at the general, I never

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would over the top stuff at the end.

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Utterly awful.

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Or maybe his worst performance ever.

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There is an element there, I think, of what we were saying earlier

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about Freema, where he's giving it is all to compensate for

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something that really doesn't work and isn't earned on the page.

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Yeah.

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And although shots of Freema and Donna, looking shocked, when

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Jenny shot and looking shocked when the doctor does that, were

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recorded like 2 weeks later at a completely different exterior

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garden.

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They found another botanical garden somewhere in Cardiff.

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Some of the shooting days for this story were disrupted, mainly

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the stuff in the half encampment, because that was a civic hall

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outside which there was a protest about a closing primary school.

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So after all the half leave, the scenes with just half Peck, named

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after Gregory Peck. and Martha were recorded in a totally

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different location. that they had to like redress as best they

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could.

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And look, I couldn't tell.

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And I think Alice Troughton's direction helps that because when

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all the half are there, she actually kind of shoots it from

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Martha's perspective of it's very confusing, there's lots of

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movement around her, Freema, of course, I think is about 5 foot 6

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and all the half are like 6 foot six.

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So she's surrounded by these gentle monsters, if you like.

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Look, one thing in this episode I can praise is the cinematography

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and the visual direction.

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That's not the performance direction because, yeah, you're right

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Todd, Cobb is dreadful.

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It is the most wooden performance of any spaceship stroke base

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commander since that narcoleptic old fossil in the arc.

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You know, I'm actually offended by the fact that they pick someone

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with an Irish accent to carry on this pointless war.

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And so it, don't you think it's gross?

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So it kind of takes whatever it was that went on in Ireland and

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turns it into 2 sides that have just been manufactured to hate one

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another for no reason at all.

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And they're continuing this wall.

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Well, isn't it?

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Like, I don't, I think it's about war generally, but I just think

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it's a miscalculation to give Cobb an Irish accent or to get him

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to use his Irish accent.

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I think it was a miscalculation to maybe cast that actor.

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It was a puzzling creative choice, as is his performance.

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His Wikipedia page says that he dedicated himself to the classical

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stage.

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Good luck with that.

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Just like Jenny Lair.

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I can only imagine that it was like bringing his audiences down so

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that more people wouldn't be exposed to his performances.

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Did they did they play Romeo and Juliet together?

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Romeo, my husband, my love.

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Why did you do it?

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Why, why?

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And he's got utterly awful teeth as well.

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I don't get it too.

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If those machines, the generators produce like generations

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generations and generations of young people.

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What happened?

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One of them had a fluff in its sprocket, and he, like, he, or does

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he know that we've only been fighting for a week?

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Or do they all like age really quickly?

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That's it.

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He's just 3 days old?

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I just, I just don't like that it's a 7 days since the start of

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the war.

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I just, you know, this is, this is, I just have a problem.

498
00:24:15.539 --> 00:24:19.920
And so please, Nathan and Brendan, I'm with you. stupid.

499
00:24:19.980 --> 00:24:24.000
And I'm the one who thinks that it's okay that the traffic jams in

500
00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:27.299
new, new, new, new, new, new, new, New York last for people's

501
00:24:27.299 --> 00:24:31.140
entire lifetimes because I think that's making a allegorical

502
00:24:31.140 --> 00:24:31.380
point.

503
00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:33.000
This thing for 7 days.

504
00:24:33.059 --> 00:24:34.019
Like, what the hell?

505
00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:35.460
how does it even work?

506
00:24:35.519 --> 00:24:38.700
Well, they've chosen 7 days to be a Genesis parable.

507
00:24:38.759 --> 00:24:39.240
Yeah sure.

508
00:24:39.299 --> 00:24:43.319
But I think, just logistically, a month.

509
00:24:43.380 --> 00:24:46.200
Just make it a month instead of 7 days.

510
00:24:46.259 --> 00:24:51.299
And in a month, you can conceivably have this degradation of

511
00:24:51.299 --> 00:24:52.740
knowledge, I think.

512
00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:55.920
Enough time that maybe a living memory has passed rather than

513
00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:56.279
days.

514
00:24:56.339 --> 00:25:00.059
But if we saw lots of people being killed, do you know what I

515
00:25:00.059 --> 00:25:00.240
mean?

516
00:25:00.299 --> 00:25:02.940
Like if it was a convincing war and people were going out and

517
00:25:02.940 --> 00:25:05.099
being killed in enormous numbers and they were having to

518
00:25:05.099 --> 00:25:07.799
manufacture lots of people to replace them, if there was any

519
00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:10.740
indication of that rather than we're hanging around a theatre in a

520
00:25:10.740 --> 00:25:14.279
ballroom and talking, what's you from Skins just kind of hanging

521
00:25:14.279 --> 00:25:16.200
around outside a cell dwarf?

522
00:25:16.200 --> 00:25:16.740
Yes, to his life.

523
00:25:16.799 --> 00:25:18.480
Joe Dempsey, yeah Joe Dempsey.

524
00:25:18.539 --> 00:25:20.339
Can I say he's got really bad skin in this episode?

525
00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:22.799
Yeah, well, they've got bad teeth, bad stuff.

526
00:25:22.859 --> 00:25:23.460
Listen to you.

527
00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:25.079
Send him all off to the clinic.

528
00:25:25.500 --> 00:25:29.279
But the other thing is, it doesn't make sense like 7 days.

529
00:25:29.339 --> 00:25:32.640
If we actually saw them ageing, like the people from the leisure

530
00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:34.859
hive, like really rapidly and dying.

531
00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:36.359
Then I could probably buy it.

532
00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:38.819
Or if waves and waves of them were being killed.

533
00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:45.480
And so we had, you know, um, 20 generations a day or whatever, um

534
00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:47.759
because the death hole had been so great.

535
00:25:47.819 --> 00:25:51.779
But, you know, they're all sort of hanging around in this sort of

536
00:25:51.779 --> 00:25:52.799
I mean, look at the map.

537
00:25:52.859 --> 00:25:56.400
It looks like a dungeons and dragons module, doesn't it?

538
00:25:56.460 --> 00:25:59.339
You know, like all of these rooms connected by corridors and

539
00:25:59.339 --> 00:25:59.640
things.

540
00:25:59.700 --> 00:26:03.720
And the locations, like what the hell is going on?

541
00:26:03.779 --> 00:26:06.180
I think that's a serious problem with this episode.

542
00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:10.319
I think it undermines the episode and it makes it look like

543
00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:13.680
student project in that it was a breakdown in production.

544
00:26:13.740 --> 00:26:17.039
They weren't able to find anywhere that looked suitable.

545
00:26:17.099 --> 00:26:20.940
And so you end up shooting in an old theatre.

546
00:26:20.940 --> 00:26:23.640
There's lines lampshading it everywhere when they turn up in the

547
00:26:23.640 --> 00:26:24.480
botanical gardens.

548
00:26:24.539 --> 00:26:26.640
Why does this look like a botanical garden here?

549
00:26:26.700 --> 00:26:27.539
They know it's a problem.

550
00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:28.740
And they've lampshaded it?

551
00:26:28.859 --> 00:26:32.099
But it goes back to that old problem that Ed Thomas just didn't

552
00:26:32.099 --> 00:26:32.940
build sets.

553
00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:34.500
He didn't build enough sets.

554
00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:37.259
This clearly needed to be something that was bespoke and instead

555
00:26:37.259 --> 00:26:39.420
they've they've just gone with whatever was to hand.

556
00:26:39.480 --> 00:26:46.200
Yeah, I mean, the script wants it to be a newly excavated colony.

557
00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:51.420
And instead, it's old buildings with like chandeliers and stuff

558
00:26:51.420 --> 00:26:51.779
like that.

559
00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:55.799
And, you know, down staircases with fading wallpaper and things of

560
00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:56.759
green gels everywhere.

561
00:26:56.819 --> 00:26:59.039
So the wallpapers faded in 7 days.

562
00:26:59.099 --> 00:27:00.660
They need to get a new contractor.

563
00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:06.359
It's ridiculous It needs to look like warriors of the deep, quite

564
00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:11.519
frankly, brightly lit and very stark and futury.

565
00:27:11.579 --> 00:27:13.859
Okay, I just say the Hatha, not a 1000000 miles away from those

566
00:27:13.859 --> 00:27:15.059
solurians.

567
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:19.319
But I had forgotten that it was set in an old theatre.

568
00:27:19.380 --> 00:27:21.599
Like, and I wrote in my notes, oh, it looks like an old theatre.

569
00:27:21.660 --> 00:27:23.880
And of course, then it is an old theatre.

570
00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:27.119
And so, yeah, so Jenny at the end when she's sort of lying on that

571
00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:28.680
plinth is actually just put on a stage.

572
00:27:28.740 --> 00:27:30.599
And it looks bizarre.

573
00:27:30.660 --> 00:27:32.700
Yeah, it's like, why do that?

574
00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:35.940
You know, yeah, you're doing a service for her.

575
00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:40.079
It's like, but the thing is, this is also, this is also your basis

576
00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:41.220
where people have been living.

577
00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:45.960
It's an allegorical story, but it's not allegorical enough.

578
00:27:46.019 --> 00:27:47.339
I think you said earlier, Peter.

579
00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:50.460
It's a bit silly, but it's not actually silly enough.

580
00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:54.900
There's something to be said, like, if we look back at season 24.

581
00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:59.880
It's kind of like some people are taking it seriously and some

582
00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:02.220
people are not taking it seriously and that's where the disconnect

583
00:28:02.220 --> 00:28:02.640
happens.

584
00:28:02.940 --> 00:28:06.299
Here, there's no real excuse for that.

585
00:28:06.359 --> 00:28:07.140
No.

586
00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:10.559
I mean, this is the era of tone meetings.

587
00:28:10.619 --> 00:28:11.160
Yeah.

588
00:28:23.220 --> 00:28:26.039
You see, Brendan, you talk about season 24 and Paradise Towers in

589
00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:26.339
particular.

590
00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:29.400
I think that's quite instructive in that Paradise Towers clearly

591
00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:31.920
didn't have a tone meeting or a director who was keeping everyone

592
00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:36.119
on the same page, but what it did have was a recognisable world

593
00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:38.220
because they built that world in the studio.

594
00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:41.039
Paradise Towers and the sets look amazing.

595
00:28:41.099 --> 00:28:43.619
It would have looked really bad if they'd just gone to some

596
00:28:43.619 --> 00:28:45.839
backstreets and dressed them up and sure.

597
00:28:45.900 --> 00:28:48.240
Whereas, that's what this episode lacks.

598
00:28:48.299 --> 00:28:51.180
If they built some sets and given it a sense of place.

599
00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:53.940
None of these locations look like they're tied together.

600
00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:58.200
They go from an old theatre out to a quarry, to some staircases to

601
00:28:58.200 --> 00:29:00.539
I don't know, the inside of a paper mill or whatever, and they end

602
00:29:00.539 --> 00:29:01.619
up in the botanical gardens.

603
00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:03.180
It's just bizarre.

604
00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:07.920
The bloody paper mill again. how many times do we have to see this

605
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:08.339
place?

606
00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:13.500
I also think, too, that there is a big problem at the end with the

607
00:29:13.500 --> 00:29:16.859
visuals and something that had never occurred to me before, that

608
00:29:16.859 --> 00:29:20.099
we actually go out onto the surface of the planet.

609
00:29:20.099 --> 00:29:26.579
And we see quite a fantastic shot where Peck and Martha see the

610
00:29:26.579 --> 00:29:30.960
sort of big ship thing from the outside and you've got the moons

611
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:32.519
and you've got this desolate planet.

612
00:29:32.579 --> 00:29:38.400
And then at the very end, they do the terraforming thing, and the

613
00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:41.279
terraforming thing happens at the same time as kind of peace

614
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:46.200
breaks out, and everyone's in dialogue, saying how beautiful the

615
00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:48.720
big swirly thing in that sort of set is.

616
00:29:48.779 --> 00:29:51.779
And that's the thing actually, that seems to have people make

617
00:29:51.779 --> 00:29:52.200
peace.

618
00:29:52.259 --> 00:29:54.839
They see a swirly cloud and lay down their gums rather than seeing

619
00:29:54.839 --> 00:29:55.500
the effects of it.

620
00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:56.759
But that's it.

621
00:29:56.819 --> 00:29:58.079
That's what you don't see.

622
00:29:58.140 --> 00:30:04.319
You don't see that world. turned into a beautiful paradise, and

623
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:07.079
you absolutely have to see that for that to work.

624
00:30:07.140 --> 00:30:11.339
And all we get is a swirly thing and we get some light coming in

625
00:30:11.339 --> 00:30:13.019
through the windows of the theatre.

626
00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:17.279
And what we don't see is a new world created once these people are

627
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:17.880
at peace.

628
00:30:17.940 --> 00:30:22.559
You know, it's bizarre and clearly they just didn't have the money

629
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:25.079
for the sort of effect shot, but that effect shot is so

630
00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:25.500
important.

631
00:30:25.619 --> 00:30:30.059
It's, if the story is going to be about anything, it's got to be

632
00:30:30.059 --> 00:30:35.220
about that, they're fighting to achieve something and it turns out

633
00:30:35.220 --> 00:30:39.720
what they get isn't a weapon, but a way of recreating the world

634
00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:42.359
creating a beautiful, peaceful world and we just never see it.

635
00:30:42.420 --> 00:30:45.539
So rather than word peril, it's word safety.

636
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:46.859
Yeah, that's it.

637
00:30:46.980 --> 00:30:48.839
Word victory.

638
00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:54.180
See, that's a big problem with the ending and you build up to this

639
00:30:54.180 --> 00:30:55.559
and you want the episode to be about something.

640
00:30:55.619 --> 00:30:59.519
And that just turns into that horrible collection of cliches where

641
00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:02.700
the doctor stops people who should just be shooting him because

642
00:31:02.700 --> 00:31:06.720
he's hoisting aloft their prized artefact, and then he smashes it

643
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:09.299
and still no one does anything, and then they all lay down their

644
00:31:09.299 --> 00:31:12.000
weapons just because, and then someone decides shoot the doctor

645
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:14.519
while someone else throws themselves in front of him going, no.

646
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:16.319
Yeah, I was getting awful.

647
00:31:16.380 --> 00:31:22.079
I was getting some pretty serious Jackie Hill vibes from Megloss.

648
00:31:22.140 --> 00:31:23.700
Yes, because they make survibes.

649
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:27.000
And do you know when Martha gets kidnapped at the startly

650
00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:27.359
episode?

651
00:31:27.420 --> 00:31:29.880
It's just like when Barbara gets kidnapped at the start of a

652
00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:30.359
crusade?

653
00:31:30.420 --> 00:31:33.599
And that is the only connection between those 2 episodes?

654
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:40.980
I don't know, presumably, you know, with all this single parent

655
00:31:40.980 --> 00:31:43.140
genetic stuff going on, there's there's going to be some

656
00:31:43.140 --> 00:31:43.799
interbreeding.

657
00:31:43.859 --> 00:31:46.019
Like Richard and Joanna.

658
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:46.559
Anyway.

659
00:31:46.619 --> 00:31:49.799
I could say, wouldn't it have been great if Donna was cloned?

660
00:31:49.859 --> 00:31:51.839
Can you imagine the Donna's daughter?

661
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:55.079
That would have ended the war quick, smart.

662
00:31:55.200 --> 00:32:00.299
I think I saw a few of them at Gallifrey this week. joined forces

663
00:32:00.299 --> 00:32:02.039
against their common enemy, Nerris.

664
00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:06.119
By the way, yeah, they're a schizophrenian.

665
00:32:06.180 --> 00:32:07.319
She's a lesbian.

666
00:32:07.380 --> 00:32:08.220
Is she a lesbian?

667
00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:11.700
Well, I don't know, but she's either a lesbian or a single mum

668
00:32:11.700 --> 00:32:13.019
who?

669
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:16.859
has used a turkey-based to produce her own offspring.

670
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:18.240
So there you go.

671
00:32:18.299 --> 00:32:18.900
Neres.

672
00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:19.500
Yeah.

673
00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:21.960
The funny thing is, Doctor Who, the Complete History, refers to

674
00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:24.839
that as Neres fathering twins with a turkey-based.

675
00:32:24.900 --> 00:32:28.079
And I'm like, I'm not sure, that's the right verb.

676
00:32:28.140 --> 00:32:31.799
Maybe she paid a little visit to Morocco, like Patsy.

677
00:32:40.859 --> 00:32:45.359
It might be the case that the names of the clones come from their

678
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:49.980
progenitor, because the forenamed soldiers we get aside from Jenny

679
00:32:49.980 --> 00:32:53.519
R, Cobb, Klein, Carter, and Cash.

680
00:32:54.299 --> 00:32:56.819
Maybe they're the sea generation.

681
00:32:56.819 --> 00:32:59.460
Like each generation, you know, has a different letter.

682
00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:01.259
That's why he doesn't like Jenny.

683
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:02.039
She's jumped ahead.

684
00:33:02.099 --> 00:33:02.759
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

685
00:33:03.299 --> 00:33:07.019
We really haven't spent all that much time talking about Georgia

686
00:33:07.019 --> 00:33:11.640
Moffat, and she is the eponymous character in this episode.

687
00:33:12.059 --> 00:33:14.160
How do you think she does?

688
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:17.099
I love her.

689
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:23.579
I think she's got so much energy and and pizzazz and that backflip

690
00:33:23.579 --> 00:33:25.259
sequence through the lasers.

691
00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:27.539
It's just the most hilarious thing.

692
00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:30.900
Like, you know, compare that to Richard Herndl and Tegan.

693
00:33:31.619 --> 00:33:35.160
The frigging floor in the 5 doctors.

694
00:33:35.220 --> 00:33:38.700
Shuffle any old wear and this is like, you know, it's out of the

695
00:33:38.700 --> 00:33:40.019
field.

696
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:42.359
It is as easy as pie.

697
00:33:42.420 --> 00:33:42.900
I just love it.

698
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:46.319
It's like when Lady Christina comes down from the ceiling like

699
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:48.299
Mission Impossible. next year.

700
00:33:48.839 --> 00:33:52.859
It's a great homage to an action movie.

701
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:54.119
I love I love her.

702
00:33:54.180 --> 00:33:57.480
I actually really like the reaction to where Donna kind of looks

703
00:33:57.480 --> 00:33:59.640
at the doctor and goes, oh, you know, like I'd love to see you

704
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:00.119
doing that.

705
00:34:00.180 --> 00:34:02.039
You know, this is a time lord thing.

706
00:34:02.099 --> 00:34:03.059
He said off you go.

707
00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:06.839
And she does actually listen to him.

708
00:34:06.900 --> 00:34:09.719
You know, like she does kind of earn her place in the TARDIS

709
00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:12.179
because she starts off as a soldier.

710
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:15.420
She's there ready to shoot them with those terrible guns that have

711
00:34:15.420 --> 00:34:18.539
flames coming out the end for no reason, whether they're shooting

712
00:34:18.539 --> 00:34:18.840
or not.

713
00:34:18.900 --> 00:34:23.400
And then she decides, no, I'll pull a trick, you know, and escape

714
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:24.599
in a sort of clever way.

715
00:34:24.659 --> 00:34:25.380
Yeah.

716
00:34:25.380 --> 00:34:30.300
Production information for why the guns like flash with that gas

717
00:34:30.300 --> 00:34:30.900
flame.

718
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:34.079
It was to save on buying blanks.

719
00:34:34.139 --> 00:34:36.719
They're like, this is how we can economise.

720
00:34:36.780 --> 00:34:38.519
We can have a gas cylinder on each gun.

721
00:34:38.579 --> 00:34:39.840
It makes it look slightly futuristic.

722
00:34:39.900 --> 00:34:42.059
We don't need to do a laser and we don't need to do blanks.

723
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:47.400
The backflip sequence was inspired by Britney Spears' toxic music

724
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:47.820
video.

725
00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:48.900
Of course it was.

726
00:34:50.099 --> 00:34:52.260
That's how Britney Spears.

727
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:55.139
But, you know, that in itself, as you say, Todd, was inspired by

728
00:34:55.139 --> 00:34:56.699
action movies.

729
00:34:56.760 --> 00:35:00.179
And while you may think, oh, well, you know, that's definitely a

730
00:35:00.179 --> 00:35:01.079
gymnast doing that.

731
00:35:01.139 --> 00:35:05.340
The final shot where Georgia Moffatt sort of flips back into

732
00:35:05.340 --> 00:35:05.820
screen.

733
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:09.360
Georgia Moffatt does do that last cartwheel and backflip.

734
00:35:09.420 --> 00:35:13.619
You know, so she's, she gets it done.

735
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:17.280
Sort of, they had a gymnast and a choreographer on set, and before

736
00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:20.579
the shot, the gymnast sort of said, well, I can do this, I can do

737
00:35:20.579 --> 00:35:21.840
this, I can do this, I can do this.

738
00:35:21.900 --> 00:35:23.579
And George Moff was like, well, I can do that.

739
00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:26.460
Well, work that is...

740
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:34.559
You see, having her played the doctor's daughter, she's clearly

741
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:36.059
not the 10th doctor's daughter.

742
00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:37.619
No, she's the 5th doctor.

743
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:39.659
Yeah, I mean, that's an icky thought given real life.

744
00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:44.579
But, you know, I would have loved an in universe explanation for

745
00:35:44.579 --> 00:35:46.139
why she looks like the 5th doctor.

746
00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:47.699
It would have been utterly ludicrous.

747
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:49.139
Really quite funny.

748
00:35:49.500 --> 00:35:52.019
Like, tenant removing his hand.

749
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:54.360
So he's like, I think they only got genetic information from my

750
00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:55.440
1st 5 incarnation.

751
00:35:55.500 --> 00:35:58.679
I would have given this episode a bit of a, you know, that sort of

752
00:35:58.679 --> 00:35:59.699
silly kick it needed.

753
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:02.820
You aren't on board with her performance, Peter.

754
00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:04.559
I think it's fine.

755
00:36:04.619 --> 00:36:08.039
I think she's doing what Freema is doing and she's doing

756
00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:09.239
everything she can with material.

757
00:36:09.300 --> 00:36:12.119
I don't think the character is particularly well defined.

758
00:36:12.179 --> 00:36:15.539
She doesn't get a lot of doing doctor-ish things.

759
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:18.480
We get a lot of Donna saying, see, she's like the doctor.

760
00:36:18.539 --> 00:36:19.380
I'd like to see more of that.

761
00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:22.980
I like to see her have a journey throughout the episode where she

762
00:36:22.980 --> 00:36:26.099
becomes less of a soldier and more of a thinker.

763
00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:27.719
I don't think we really do get that.

764
00:36:27.780 --> 00:36:30.840
I guess the closest thing is that scene that I just mentioned

765
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:34.260
where she has the choice to shoot Cobb and decides to shoot the

766
00:36:34.260 --> 00:36:35.340
thing in the ceiling instead.

767
00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:38.519
Yeah, I mean, that is sort of one of the most obvious kind of

768
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:40.920
iterations, though. like I would have liked to have seen more

769
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:41.280
too.

770
00:36:41.340 --> 00:36:43.079
I think the character had a lot of scope to be interesting.

771
00:36:43.139 --> 00:36:46.260
I think she's a fine actress, but like the rest of the episode, I

772
00:36:46.260 --> 00:36:46.920
don't think it gets there.

773
00:36:46.980 --> 00:36:49.440
Weren't they supposed to kill her off at the end and wasn't it

774
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:50.159
Stephen Moffatt?

775
00:36:50.219 --> 00:36:52.619
said to Russell keep her alive.

776
00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:55.500
And I kind of feel a bit cheated that, well, great, keep her alive

777
00:36:55.500 --> 00:36:56.880
but you know, bring her back.

778
00:36:56.940 --> 00:37:01.679
Well, I mean, I kind of, I'm never a big fan of bringing people

779
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:05.219
back because I think it actually probably rarely works unless

780
00:37:05.219 --> 00:37:07.739
you've got a good 2nd idea for them.

781
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:11.820
But I do like the scene at the end where she's in the shuttle and

782
00:37:11.820 --> 00:37:15.420
she says what she's going to do and she just lists the things that

783
00:37:15.420 --> 00:37:20.639
Donna said that the doctor does, you know, that he saves planets

784
00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:24.539
he fights monsters and she just gives that dialogue back and says

785
00:37:24.539 --> 00:37:25.500
that's what I'm off to do.

786
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:31.320
So I like the idea that she's now in our imagination out there

787
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:33.480
somewhere doing what the doctor does.

788
00:37:33.539 --> 00:37:37.739
And although we don't get to see her again, we do get to have

789
00:37:37.739 --> 00:37:38.099
that.

790
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:39.480
And I think that is quite nice.

791
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:40.739
I like that too.

792
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:43.320
My heartaway sinks a little bit when someone says, oh, we'll

793
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:45.900
recast her and bring her back or she's regenerated or whatever.

794
00:37:45.900 --> 00:37:47.639
And I just think, no, no, no.

795
00:37:47.699 --> 00:37:52.500
Let's not everything needs a big finish box set on it.

796
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:54.780
Like not everything needs to be explored.

797
00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:58.079
And it's quite nice to have that little loose end because it's a

798
00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:00.900
hopeful and kind of optimistic loose end, I think.

799
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:05.280
And I certainly think that killing her is just the most cliched

800
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:07.679
and appalling thing imaginable.

801
00:38:07.739 --> 00:38:09.900
And she doesn't die saving anyone.

802
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:11.699
She doesn't, do you know what I mean?

803
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:14.400
Like it is just, oh, she needs to be dead.

804
00:38:14.460 --> 00:38:16.800
So we'll just get cob to shoot her.

805
00:38:16.860 --> 00:38:21.179
And like Cobb shoots her because he is a warrior who can't accept

806
00:38:21.179 --> 00:38:21.900
peace.

807
00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:24.239
So there is a proper point being made.

808
00:38:24.300 --> 00:38:26.760
But otherwise, like it's it's super random.

809
00:38:26.820 --> 00:38:29.880
Yeah, and Stephen Moffat's objection was exactly that.

810
00:38:29.940 --> 00:38:34.920
It's like killing her is the cliche, and it's there to reset the

811
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:36.179
doctor's status quo.

812
00:38:36.179 --> 00:38:39.960
Because part of Stephen Greenhorn's brief for this script was

813
00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:42.659
based on an interview he gave about the Lazarus experiment.

814
00:38:42.659 --> 00:38:45.539
Because what he said in the interview was, this is my 1st time

815
00:38:45.539 --> 00:38:47.699
writing for Doctor Who, and he says, writing for Doctor Who is

816
00:38:47.699 --> 00:38:50.159
very different from writing for other drama, because in other

817
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:52.920
drama, you want to give your central character an emotional

818
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:55.500
journey, and you can't do that in Doctor Who because he has to

819
00:38:55.500 --> 00:38:56.219
stay the same.

820
00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:58.739
So you give the emotional journey to the companion.

821
00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:02.099
And Russell heard that and went, Actually, Stephen, that's a

822
00:39:02.099 --> 00:39:02.639
really good point.

823
00:39:02.699 --> 00:39:05.519
I want to give you a story where you give the doctor an emotional

824
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:05.880
journey.

825
00:39:05.940 --> 00:39:09.719
Except that that emotional journey then ends at the end of the

826
00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:12.119
episode and we never speak of it again.

827
00:39:12.179 --> 00:39:12.840
Yeah.

828
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:14.940
He's still right.

829
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:16.559
Right, don't get me wrong.

830
00:39:16.619 --> 00:39:21.599
But I just want to praise David Tennant and Georgia Moffatt's

831
00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:27.179
performance in her death scene. pretty much because again, it's

832
00:39:27.179 --> 00:39:30.900
not tenants spitting in the master's face that we got last year.

833
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:33.420
It's gentle and it's tender.

834
00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:37.139
We do have that really overacted.

835
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:38.280
I'm the man who never would.

836
00:39:38.340 --> 00:39:40.860
It's not just the acting.

837
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:43.619
That line of dialogue is absolute whippet.

838
00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:44.639
Do you know what I mean?

839
00:39:44.699 --> 00:39:45.480
It's terrible.

840
00:39:45.539 --> 00:39:48.119
As you always say, if the doctor picks up a gun?

841
00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:49.559
rewrite your script.

842
00:39:49.619 --> 00:39:53.880
But then wait, the thing I so love about that scene is after he's

843
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:56.340
done all that big thing, he just comes down and sits next to

844
00:39:56.340 --> 00:39:57.900
Jenny's body and he doesn't say anything else.

845
00:39:58.260 --> 00:40:04.500
Yeah, it only, it's only a few seconds, but the speech is

846
00:40:04.500 --> 00:40:05.400
performative.

847
00:40:05.460 --> 00:40:09.900
It's him performing a speech and then he's like, now leave me the

848
00:40:09.900 --> 00:40:13.380
hell alone because everything is about her right now.

849
00:40:13.500 --> 00:40:19.320
And there's a sort of there's a grandiosity to the speech as

850
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:19.559
well.

851
00:40:19.619 --> 00:40:23.820
It's like, I want you to base your society on how I behave right

852
00:40:23.820 --> 00:40:27.420
now when I pull the gun on the guy and then decide not to do it.

853
00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:31.260
And it kind of wrecks what's happened before, where they've all

854
00:40:31.260 --> 00:40:35.519
laid down their guns because, you know, the world has changed and

855
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:39.179
become, you know, beautiful and blah, blah, blah, and they've

856
00:40:39.179 --> 00:40:41.340
discovered what they're all there for or whatever.

857
00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:44.219
I mean, it doesn't come off, but they have their own reason not to

858
00:40:44.219 --> 00:40:49.500
find their own reason to not be warriors and his tenet inserting

859
00:40:49.500 --> 00:40:50.760
himself into the middle of it.

860
00:40:50.820 --> 00:40:53.280
Yeah, and it highlights the passivity, I think, of those

861
00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:56.940
characters and that they follow whatever the script gives them.

862
00:40:57.000 --> 00:40:59.820
They say, oh, okay, well, let's, you know, stop fighting and, oh

863
00:40:59.820 --> 00:41:02.099
that's a good point. you make doctor, you know, have the blah, blah

864
00:41:02.099 --> 00:41:06.239
blah, blah. none of it is owned, none of it has any emotional

865
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:06.780
weight to it.

866
00:41:07.019 --> 00:41:12.000
I also have a problem with the scene as well because there's no

867
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:14.400
blood or anything like when she gets shot.

868
00:41:14.460 --> 00:41:16.440
And I know Russell didn't want to show anything like that, but I

869
00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:18.599
just have a problem that she sort of just clutches her chest and

870
00:41:18.599 --> 00:41:21.840
then you look back and there's never any indication she's ever

871
00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:25.380
been shot or the anything's gone through what she's wearing.

872
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:27.119
And it just doesn't sell it for me.

873
00:41:27.179 --> 00:41:29.460
I just kind of go, that's if you're going to do that, you've got

874
00:41:29.460 --> 00:41:30.780
to direct it better than what it's direct.

875
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:33.719
Todd wanted bits coming out like condo.

876
00:41:34.260 --> 00:41:35.820
Not at all.

877
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:37.980
But a little hole in the t-shirt.

878
00:41:38.099 --> 00:41:38.639
Just something.

879
00:41:38.699 --> 00:41:41.519
And I just, and I just, it just, it's just rubbish.

880
00:41:41.579 --> 00:41:43.440
No, she looks like she's having a bit of a rest.

881
00:41:43.619 --> 00:41:47.639
Between scenes. waiting for a beauty treatment.

882
00:41:48.659 --> 00:41:53.340
You know, I was saying, like, I love doing these with you all, and

883
00:41:53.340 --> 00:41:57.599
often with Brendan, you actually make me love episodes more than

884
00:41:57.599 --> 00:41:59.099
what I initially thought.

885
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:01.019
I think with this one, I'm liking it a little bit less.

886
00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:04.079
Does that mean that I've influenced?

887
00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:07.199
Yes, Peter, it's now a 6 to a seven.

888
00:42:08.219 --> 00:42:10.980
Look, I give this one a 6 as well.

889
00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:14.760
I think I think it's flawed, but I still enjoy watching it.

890
00:42:14.820 --> 00:42:19.679
You know, I get to that scene in the garden and I'm like, oh, it's

891
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:20.639
almost the end of the episode.

892
00:42:20.699 --> 00:42:22.380
I didn't notice that time going by.

893
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:25.260
I'm not sitting here feeling like this is a slog like I do with

894
00:42:25.260 --> 00:42:26.280
Planet of the Oude.

895
00:42:26.340 --> 00:42:30.539
You know, I find that episode quite difficult to get through and

896
00:42:30.539 --> 00:42:34.860
it's just that I like the doctor actually doing stuff in the plot

897
00:42:34.860 --> 00:42:36.599
but that's not for him.

898
00:42:37.619 --> 00:42:42.000
I also really respect Russell four, right?

899
00:42:42.059 --> 00:42:44.039
In series 3 and this was the case at the time.

900
00:42:44.099 --> 00:42:46.980
The Dalek 2 parter was heavily criticised.

901
00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:49.199
Lazarus experiment was heavily criticised.

902
00:42:49.260 --> 00:42:52.500
And that was a two-parter by Helen Rayner bringing back an old

903
00:42:52.500 --> 00:42:55.380
monster and a new monster with Stephen Greenhorn.

904
00:42:55.679 --> 00:42:59.699
Rather than Russell say, okay, well, I'll do the middle two-parter

905
00:42:59.699 --> 00:43:01.920
and I'll get Stephen Moffatt to do the episode immediately after.

906
00:43:01.980 --> 00:43:04.619
He, like, actually, no, everyone out there.

907
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:07.380
These are 2 very talented writers, and you're going to have the

908
00:43:07.380 --> 00:43:09.360
same for them again next year, and you will like it.

909
00:43:10.019 --> 00:43:11.820
I mean, too.

910
00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:15.360
I'm mostly, I mostly like the Santaran 2-parter.

911
00:43:15.420 --> 00:43:16.920
It's fun, it's a bit of fluff.

912
00:43:16.980 --> 00:43:18.480
I like Colonel Mace.

913
00:43:18.539 --> 00:43:20.519
I like evil Martha.

914
00:43:20.579 --> 00:43:24.539
It's got cribbons. yeah It's got Jackie.

915
00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:28.500
Yeah, and this is a perfectly enjoyable 45 minutes if you don't

916
00:43:28.500 --> 00:43:31.320
think too hard about the world.

917
00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:33.840
Like, Brendan, I agree with you.

918
00:43:33.900 --> 00:43:37.380
Like, I'm going to be quite, well, I'm not surprised.

919
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:39.900
I mean, David Tennon is not my favourite. doctor, but this season

920
00:43:39.900 --> 00:43:43.320
is, I think, my favourite season of New Who.

921
00:43:43.380 --> 00:43:46.860
And in terms of shows dipping below six.

922
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:49.320
There's only, well, one in that category, which is this one, and

923
00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:51.900
everything else is like way above, and the back half of this

924
00:43:51.900 --> 00:43:54.659
season is just like, you know, from strengths and strengths or

925
00:43:54.659 --> 00:43:57.119
strength, and I love the 1st 3 stories.

926
00:43:57.179 --> 00:44:02.340
So, yeah, I just, yeah, it's quite incredible that this is my

927
00:44:02.340 --> 00:44:03.719
favourite season of New Who?

928
00:44:03.780 --> 00:44:06.480
What is it with them having terrible military characters?

929
00:44:06.539 --> 00:44:08.699
First of all, Colonel Mace, then general cobblers.

930
00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:09.659
They're all.

931
00:44:09.780 --> 00:44:11.699
I will give you this, Brandon.

932
00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:13.260
I don't think this episode is too boring.

933
00:44:13.380 --> 00:44:14.820
And boring is the number one crime.

934
00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:15.960
Yeah, yeah, I agree.

935
00:44:16.019 --> 00:44:18.239
It's like Orphan 55 this year.

936
00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:22.559
Like, it's my least favourite episode of this series, current

937
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:23.099
series.

938
00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:26.400
It's probably my 2nd least favourite of the Jodies.

939
00:44:26.460 --> 00:44:30.599
It's just above Battle of Ranscore of Colos because it's fun.

940
00:44:30.659 --> 00:44:31.619
Yeah.

941
00:44:31.619 --> 00:44:33.539
And this episode is fun.

942
00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:37.559
It's like, you know, my worst David Tennon episode is Fear Her

943
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:39.179
because it's not fun.

944
00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:40.380
It's boring.

945
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:41.760
There long periods with nothing happening.

946
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:45.420
You can't say that about the doctor's daughter.

947
00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:46.800
There's something happening every second.

948
00:44:46.860 --> 00:44:48.119
Just doesn't make sense.

949
00:44:48.179 --> 00:44:49.739
I wish it had been more fun.

950
00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:55.199
Yeah, I, for me, I think there's so much kind of ineptitude and so

951
00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:59.579
many cliches in the script and it is just a little bit of a mess.

952
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:03.300
I'm not bored, but maybe I'm irritated.

953
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:34.139
Well, the listener, that's just about as much as we can take this

954
00:45:34.139 --> 00:45:34.320
week.

955
00:45:34.380 --> 00:45:37.679
We'll be back next week to watch a vest perform drown in the

956
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:39.059
unicorn and the wasp.

957
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:43.980
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts

958
00:45:43.980 --> 00:45:46.199
and you can keep up with us at Flight Through Entirety, on

959
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:49.739
Facebook, at FTE Podcast, on Twitter, and on our website

960
00:45:49.739 --> 00:45:52.500
FlightthroughEntirety.com, where you'll find links to our other

961
00:45:52.500 --> 00:45:55.380
podcasts, Bondfinger, and Jody IntoTera.

962
00:45:55.440 --> 00:45:57.659
Brendan, is there anything you'd like to plug?

963
00:45:57.719 --> 00:45:58.440
Yes.

964
00:45:58.500 --> 00:46:03.659
So, it's 15 years since Doctor Who came back on our screens and on

965
00:46:03.659 --> 00:46:05.280
the anniversary of each episode.

966
00:46:05.340 --> 00:46:11.400
I am reviewing the relevant episode on my YouTube channel.

967
00:46:11.460 --> 00:46:14.219
So I'm in the midst of the Christopher Eccleston series at the

968
00:46:14.219 --> 00:46:16.619
moment, just giving my thoughts.

969
00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:21.300
And also, if you want to on Twitter or in a comment on the YouTube

970
00:46:21.300 --> 00:46:22.019
video.

971
00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:25.380
Please leave me your comments about next week's episode.

972
00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:27.179
As we're recording this ahead of time.

973
00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:29.340
I'm not quite sure where I'm up to, but just check out the channel

974
00:46:29.340 --> 00:46:34.619
and I will be reading some of them out in each review and kind of

975
00:46:34.619 --> 00:46:36.059
responding to them as well.

976
00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:39.659
So do please join me for that over on my YouTube channel, Brandy

977
00:46:39.659 --> 00:46:40.139
Bongos.

978
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:40.440
Thank you.

979
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:41.099
Brilliant.

980
00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:42.659
We'll have links to that in the show notes.

981
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:46.440
Until next time, may you never experience dad shock.

982
00:46:46.500 --> 00:46:47.820
It's easy to avoid.

983
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:49.920
Just ask any of us here on the podcast.

984
00:46:49.980 --> 00:46:52.320
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

985
00:46:52.380 --> 00:46:53.159
Good night.

986
00:46:53.219 --> 00:46:54.000
See you soon.

987
00:46:54.059 --> 00:46:54.719
Good night.

988
00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:01.440
That was Flight for Entirety, starring Todd Bilby, Nathan

989
00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:03.420
Bottomley, Peter Griffith, and Brendan Jones.

990
00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:06.480
Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, Strings performance by Jane

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Orberg.

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This episode about his man pain was recorded on the 22nd of

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February 2020 and released on the 19th of April.

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Stay tuned, of course, for the inevitable Big Finish Jenny box set

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comprising 6 story, starring Georgia Tennant, phoning it in as

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Jenny, with Michelle Collins as the War Briggs, and Ryan Sampson

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as loveable hat sidekick Glug.

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Hit the nail on the head in that the problem is with the design

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department.

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I think all the actors are pulling in the same direction, as

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opposed to season 24, where, you know, each story, there's someone

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who is not performing the same as everyone else, like Richard

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Briars.

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But even Cobb, who it's not a very interesting performance.

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Wait a sec.

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General cobblers.

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I'll see your woman die. a terrible thing.

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Nathan, that's no way to speak to Todd.

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I think I'm going to cry.

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What's the stupid name of this planet?

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Oh, it's miscellane.

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Vaseline.

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Vaseline.

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It's named after the wife of the emperor.

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Can I?

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Oh, Messalina.

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Is it Messalina?

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or is it Messalina?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, look, I finished that point about actors.

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I'll see your woman dies.

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We're not together.

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It's one of those ongoing...

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Yeah, yeah.

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You see, Brendan, I think that's really...

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Sorry, I'll start that again.

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You see, Brendan, that's really interesting because...

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We may as well just put a report in the middle of Pitt Street.

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I felt like that was a commentary on what I was going to say.

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I snoop a mouth and clue.

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You see, Brendan, you talk about season 24.