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Hello, dear listener and welcome back to Flight for Entirety, the

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only Doctor Who podcast that did it in the library with Roger and

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the Footman.

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They were surprisingly disinhibited.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Peter.

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I'm Max.

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So, Lady Clemency Edison and the honourable Hugh Kirbishley

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requests the pleasure of your company for cocktails on the lawn

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followed by a comedy vest perform killing spree in the form of an

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Agatha Christie mystery.

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Keep a close eye on your valuables, everyone.

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It's the unicorn and the wasp.

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So, Max, you're back with us this week.

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But we haven't heard what you have thought about series 4 so far.

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Yeah, I've, it's been, it's been delightful kind of going back and

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rewatching it because this was, I think I've spoken on the podcast

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before about these 3 years, particularly from series 2 to series 4

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kind of the, the point in my sort of childhood adoration of the

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show that is sort of richest in my memory, I think.

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And it's sort of most coloured with like, like memories of sort of

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like acting out the episodes in the playground and all that kind

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of stuff.

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And I think, I think series 4 sort of rewatching it as sort of

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like refired all these memories that I had, which were just, I

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think, and I'm sure you've spoken about it too, but before, but

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but the show at its sort of most popular and its sort of greater

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saturation point, um, and I, I've just sort of found that going

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back over the episodes, I've, I've just sort of had such a

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wonderful time going back and rewatching them and, and, and

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refinding those, those memories of just, of just being So obsessed

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with the show with my friends and, um, Because I think they were

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airing on Sunday nights at this point in this series.

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And I remember then coming back at Monday or the start of the

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school week and it being all you would talk about for just the

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entirety of the day, um, and everyone getting excited about the

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next time trailers.

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And it was just, and this was also just then, I have a, I have a

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brother who's like 9 years older than me, and he would, he would

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occasionally pirate episodes onto like sort of DVDs in a really

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2008 kind of way.

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So I would occasionally get sort of advanced copies of them.

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So I would occasionally know more than my friends and I would sort

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of laud it over them in a really like pretentious kind of annoying

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sort of 12 year old way.

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But I am...

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That's how you know that you're a true fan.

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So that's been, that's been, I, I, and so rewatching all the

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series four.

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I've had these sort of wonderful, wonderful, sort of personal

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memories come back and just the, I think the quality of the series

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again, is just held up so, so wonderfully.

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I'm I'm just continually delighted by Donanoble and I just think

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it's, she's just, she's just spectacular.

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And that's sort of been my. yeah, yeah.

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So I've sort of, I'm going concurrently with these episodes, so

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I've just got up to Unicorn and the Wasp, and I'm just having such

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a wonderful time.

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Brilliant.

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I think that this is going to be a theme of the rest of our series

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4 run, but my hot take is that this is the 1st of a run of 7

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episodes of Doctor Who that is probably unparallelled in quality

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in the history of the show.

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Or at the very least, it's, you know, my favourite run of Doctor

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Who stories.

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Yeah, they kind of all flapper, no slapper, aren't they?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Controversial.

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When this was 1st on this episode, I did not get it at all.

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Like, I came away from this the 1st time ago, and I sort of moaned

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and shook my head through the flashbacks and all the title drops

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and what have you.

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And for about 2 or 3 years afterwards, I'm like, this is a 6 out

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of 10.

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Wow.

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I'm like, no, I don't, I don't like.

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I think it was my big rewatch with Robert around like 2013 to 2015

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where I watched this again and went, what was I thinking?

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This is genius.

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This is, you know, I don't know.

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I must have been through a rough breakup that week or something.

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But also, Brendan, I can understand that original reaction from

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you because the last time Doctor Who did drinks outside a manor

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house on a terrace.

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You loved it so much.

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Yeah, I mean at least it's a nice day in this one.

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At least she let her child go out into the world and, you know, rub

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them, lock him in the attic and admittedly both of them end up

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killing a bunch of people.

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So...

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Who's right and who's wrong?

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So this is our 4th celebrity historical, I guess, since it comes

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back.

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We've done one a year.

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And this is the 3rd celebrity historical with a famous ricer.

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So Gareth did the Shakespeare code, what, last year?

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And obviously we had Mark Gatis doing Charles Dickens in the very

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what, 3rd episode?

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It does get Queen Victoria.

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Yes, although less of a literary figure than a sort of Augusta.

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Queen and Empress of India.

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Oh, wow, this werewolf can only murder me.

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Tarah.

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I wasn't a massive fan of the Shakespeare code.

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I liked it well enough, but I did think it had a very, very

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superficial take on Shakespeare.

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And, you know, that was really all it was intended to do.

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I do think that the comedy thing here just works tremendously well

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though, with Agatha Christie.

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These stories are kind of more superficial.

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They don't have the sort of historical weight that Shakespeare

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So you can afford to be a bit more fun with it.

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It's not a smug either, I don't think.

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I think also like the kind of famish glee sort of comes across a

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lot more genuinely in this episode, maybe.

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And maybe that's also the construction of the episode and how

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Agatha fits into it, but it is such a sort of meta.

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It's such of a meta, um, episode in, in how Agatha Christie is a

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proponent in a, in a story that's surrounded by people who all

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know they're in a sort of Agatha Christie story they know Agatha

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Christie. been reading Agatha Christie.

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And everyone's kind of, everyone's kind of making jokes on this, on

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the same level, and then you've got the doctor and Donna that are

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sort of operating on another meta level on top of it, and it just

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sort of creates this.

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I think in comparison to the Shakespeare code, I think there's an

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excitement to be telling this story that really comes across and

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is sort of contagious as well.

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What do we think of the way that Gareth kind of justifies it?

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I mean, Mark Gators didn't have to, you know, lampshade the fact

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that we were meeting Charles Dickens in a situation near Christmas

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where there are a lot of ghosts around.

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Here, um, Gareth Roberts actually kind of pokes fun at the fact

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that Noah noticed how sort of weird that was in the unquiet dead

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and goes to sort of extraordinary hand wavy lengths in order to

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justify why Agatha Christie finds herself in an Agatha Christie

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mystery.

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I think that's the sort of thing where Buffy couldn't have got

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away with doing a musical episode in season one.

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So the Unquiet Dead has to be very po-faced and very serious about

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the fact that it's dickens and ghosts and Christmas and just have

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a couple of sly references to it without lampshading it

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massively.

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humourous, but nowhere near as broadly comic as it ends up being.

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It was actually Russell who said, no, no, no, we want this as an

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out and out comedy pastiche.

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And it was Russell pushing him.

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So perhaps putting that comment in was kind of Garrett's way of

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saying, if this doesn't work, you know, we are aware.

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But it's also Doctor Who has that confidence.

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As you were saying earlier, Max, you know, this is when it was

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totally riding high and everyone was talking about it, even if

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they weren't watching it.

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They were talking about it.

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You know, of course, comparing ratings from 10 years ago to

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ratings now isn't particularly fair, but if we look at audience

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share, the tenant episodes were getting close to a 40% audience

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share, the Whittaker episodes and the Capaldi episodes get between

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20 and 25, which is still respectable.

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this 40% audience share almost.

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It is riding height.

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So it's not exactly an apology to bring up, oh yeah, this is a bit

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silly, but it's saying to the audience, look, we respect you

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enough to know that you've seen Joan Hickson.

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You've seen Geraldine McEwan.

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You've seen David Soucher.

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We know that you know that we know that this is a bit weird.

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But as you were saying, Brendan, there's also a sense that the

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series is so confident now, it can kind of get away with anything

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that they can sort of, they can put anything on the screen and

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people would watch.

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And so they just go for it.

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A drowning fish.

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about the upcoming run of episodes.

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I think that confidence, like, it's kind of, it exudes out in sort

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of almost every aspect of this episode.

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Russell, you can read Russell's like initial series 4 document

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that he sent out to, I think, all the production, or maybe just

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sort of the production heads, I think.

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bit as it goes along, but there are these tent pulse throughout, um

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the series that sort of stay sort of remarkably, remarkably close

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to what, um, what eventuates like on screen.

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episode seven.

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Gareth Roberts and it's sort of just like, yeah, it's just Agatha

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Christie, we're just going to go nuts.

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And I remember there's also an email, there's an email maybe 2

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months later, which is just him sort of stressing, stressing about

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another script, but he's saying, I'm putting it off by just

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cramming more Agatha Christie puns into this one.

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Isn't it interesting that the one pun that they don't make is the

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man in the brown suit because, you know, who is the man in the

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brown suit?

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I actually have to confess that I'm not much of a sort of Christy

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file, and I've read a couple of her books and I've seen a couple

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of movies based on them and things.

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There was a reasonably recent run of 3 or 4 adaptations of Agatha

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Christie books on television by sort of female writers and

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directors, which I thought was really quite extraordinary, and

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I'll fling them in the show notes if I can somehow find them

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again.

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And so I'd seen those.

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But so a lot of this kind of, for me, the effect of it just relies

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on the fact that Agatha Christie has been pastiched over and over

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again.

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And perhaps never more in Doctor Who than in Robots of Death, which

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is, I think, um, El Xander points out, that Asimov's robot

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detective was in the sort of hard-boiled kind of film noir sort of

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genre.

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And so robots of death was kind of, well, we can do that only with

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an Agatha Christie sensibility.

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Hence the design of the sand miner and everything.

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And don't forget, Pip and Jane, we can do that with plant

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creatures.

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And I think that's what's really wonderful about this, the secrets

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that everyone has.

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And perhaps that wonderful, wonderful comedy scene, perhaps the

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most deliberate sort of comedy scene where the doctor and Christy

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are interviewing everyone and we discovered their secrets, you

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know, Lady Edison's, you know, are drunk and and the colonel is

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leafing through pornography and and, you know, even the thing

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where the flashbacks, are kind of interacted with by the

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characters, you know, Dave flashbacks in Flash.

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flashback and then again out of the other flashback or Lady Edison

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narrating a previous scene that the doctor was in.

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actually a flashback to a text story that was on the BBC website

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in 2008 called The Lonely Computer, written by my lovely old pal

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Rupert Late, who's sadly no longer with us.

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Wow.

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And so it's actually a flashback to something, which was never

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seen on screen and was now made canon.

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That's brilliant.

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It's so perfect too, as a sort of silly Doctor Who premise.

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You know, Charlemagne gets kidnapped by a computer. because of

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course he does.

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At this point, you know, we had a long-running Marple series.

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We had a long-running Poirot series.

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Agatha Christie's other main characters who hadn't really had

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their own series a little bit.

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They had a little bit of a series.

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Tommy and Tuppence.

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Right.

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And then they would get made about 8 years later with David

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Williams and Jessica Rain, who was Verity Lambert.

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And do you know who Jessica Rain is married to?

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Reverend Golightly.

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Oh my goodness.

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I did not know that.

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Do you know who Sasha Dawan is dating?

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Me?

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Angeli Mohindra.

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Really?

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Oh, wow, what a pretty couple.

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What a pretty couple.

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Yeah, I thought it was me too.

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That's a shame.

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What?

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We need to get back to him and talk to him about.

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Somebody posted a shirtless picture of him the other day and well

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look, my baby is due in about 9 months.

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While we're on that subject.

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Actually, Brandon.

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Topless Sasha to one?

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Well, let's say representation.

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We, um, we, weirdly, and I'm going to open the kimono for a

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second.

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We're recording this while series 12 is still airing.

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So we're from a recent past where we have no idea what the

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timeless child is.

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But we have just had what I think is the best gay male

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representation in Doctor Who Today in Praxis.

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And I think at the time I said that everyone sort of assumes there

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are a lot of gay men in Doctor Who because Russell and Gareth and

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all of that, but there aren't really.

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And here we get Roger and the footman, Davenport.

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You're saying the footman was being Roger.

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Are you here?

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I don't think the explicit tag counts for 1920 swang.

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Sorry.

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What do we think of it?

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I mean, it is just kind of played for laughs, I think.

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Or is it?

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Um, look, there is a bit of commentary there because the family

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clearly no, because there's that little quip, you know, there's no

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children in this house and there's not bloody likely to be.

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Oh, I love how quickly Donna spots it as well.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, who'd have guessed that Donald would be a massive fag

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hagger?

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But it's also Donna who then gives us that bit of commentary when

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Roger is killed and Donna walks in the room and she says, oh, that

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poor footman.

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So you know she's been off talking to the footman and you know

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that no one else is.

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And she says, he can't even mourn Roger.

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This is more like the Middle Ages.

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And yeah, it's it's a very clever succinct way of kind of raising

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oh, you know, yeah, we're having this jolly hockey 6 time, but

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there is there is prejudice in this age as well.

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And we've played this relationship for laughs, but there is this

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serious side to it.

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And of course, the idea of silent mourning in the queer community

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especially in the 80s and 90s with the AIDS HIV epidemic and

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governments saying basically, well, these people shouldn't be

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mourned why you mourning.

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They, you know, they deserve this horrible disease.

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And I think certainly for Russell. you know, looking back at his

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stuff with Queera's folk and him talking about his clubbing days

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in the 90s, I don't think that is a coincidence.

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I think that is not necessarily a reference, but just the kind of

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thing of the, you know, the more times change.

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The more they stay the same.

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I think it serves a narrative purpose as well because it

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foreshadows the disgrace of Lady Edison.

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So her alcoholism is played for laughs in the flashback scene, but

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it becomes clear that the reason that she drinks is because she

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she got pregnant before she was married.

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She was forced to carry the child to term and then give it up and

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never, ever see it again.

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All through her life, she's carried on.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And so you have Roberts critiquing the kind of sexual morality of

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the 1920s.

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And like, I don't want to go into great detail about Roberts over

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the last few years, but here at least he is, you know, he's

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contemplative.

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Well, yeah, yeah, he's being thoughtful and and thinking about the

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the way that, you know, queer people and women were harmed by sort

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of traditional sexual morality.

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Yeah.

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And even when Agatha Christie turns up at the party and Lady

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Edison's 1st question to her is, where's your husband?

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Yeah.

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Where she's the, you know, Agatha Christie's a guest of honour and

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it still wears your husband.

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And of course, he's off having a wonderful time. with this new

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woman he's just met.

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Whereas Agatha has to go to this party while she is in rage and

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especially enraged by arrogant men.

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Like the 2nd the doctor's like, oh, isn't this wonderful?

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She like, no, it's not bloody wonderful.

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Someone's dead.

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That's great.

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Yes, it is.

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And he's properly counted.

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Agatha is carrying on.

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Exactly.

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The thing is, I love how cowed he is because he does immediately

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rein it in.

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You know, it's not trying to make Queen Victoria say whether she's

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amused or not.

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He kind of goes, okay, no, I'm not gonna going to push this and

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I'm not going to treat her like an amusement park kind of thing.

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He's probably embarrassed, I think, by being called out.

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The doctor is always in awe of kind of great creative figures

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isn't he?

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They always put him in his place.

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Well, because he's being written by writers.

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Just to tell back to what we were saying about sort of the gay

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relationship in this episode as well.

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I think it's slightly problematic, I think, that Roger dies in the

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narrative.

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I mean, obviously that is a well-worn trope and it's not being

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lampshaded here.

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It's just because everyone is dying.

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They're being picked off.

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But Lady Edison's reaction to that is far too muted, I think.

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It takes away credibility from the character in that she just does

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carry on and you don't really see her grieving.

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She sort of sits in a corner looking a bit sad.

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Oh, she does.

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Her initial reaction is, you know, is very good. comes away 2

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seconds later.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's kind of a Doctor Who thing.

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Like deaths, you know, should land more in Doctor Who than they do

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but since there are so many deaths in a given Doctor Who episode

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you know, it would be the morning show, wouldn't it?

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Like everyone would just be grieving all the time.

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It'd be series nine.

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I think maybe it should have been Davenport who died, but then

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that brings up its own problems of kind, you know, classism and

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things like that.

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Yeah.

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And you wouldn't have gone.

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I mean, the death is played for very broad comedy with the face in

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the soup and the big knife in the back and stuff and it's very

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silly.

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I actually think there's, I think it might almost be a problem of

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just, because I think the script is, like, impressively nuanced in

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terms of how much it packs into a 45 minute episode.

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Like, like, like we were all saying, like it functions as this

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pretty, a sort of a properly detailed kind of murder mystery and

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and, and giving, giving sort of a cast of abouts of 8, 9

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characters all this, a secret and then, and then sort of largely

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sort of balancing all their interactions really skilfully.

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I think, I think occasionally there is, you just get that, the

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outcome of that kind of squeeze to just, and most of the times I

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think it's successful, and, um, and I think maybe just, yeah

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sometimes those, like, emotional beats maybe don't line with the

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strength that you'd want just because there's just so much, they'll

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sort of, there's so much machinery going on underneath it, I

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think.

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You're right.

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And it's not the tone of the episode.

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It's not what the episode is going for.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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So, do you know what really happened with Agatha Christie?

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No.

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So it's not as big a mystery as Gareth says.

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Apparently she was discovered in that Harrogate hotel partying

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having checked in under the name of her husband's mistress.

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Shaded by Agatha Chris.

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I wish we'd seen that.

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I was a little bit disappointed to see sort of Fenella Woolgar

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with a sort of stunned look on her face standing next to the sign

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of the sort of unimaginatively named Harrogate Hotel. you know

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whereas really she was just sort of partying on. which I just

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think is so superb.

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Do you know, there's those, in the deleted scenes, you can see the

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original, I think, I think there was like a sort of abridging

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narrative of Agatha, like old Agatha in on her deathbed.

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Yeah.

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I'm so glad they dropped that.

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Yeah, they're pretty weird.

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But, but it's, what I wish, I wish we'd had the bridging, uh, the

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bridging narrative of her just checking into the, uh, checking

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into the party would have been fantastic.

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That was...

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So did they have Fanella Woolgar in ageing makeup or did they have

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someone else playing all day?

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They had someone else, right?

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It was another actress and so the pre-titles was going to be

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Agatha Christie in this aged care home in the 70s. tossing and

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turning in a nightmare and screaming, doctor.

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And that would go into the titles.

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And then the original last scene was the doctor and Donna coming

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to visit her and Agatha saying, I've just remembered.

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And the doctor showing her the book from the year 5 billion.

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Oh, okay.

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But to be honest, the actress playing old Agatha is really bad.

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I hear they got it back for Orphan 55.

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Shout out for you, Todd.

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And also friend of the podcast, Pete.

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You know, we were talking earlier about the fact that Russell had

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some input into this.

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What strikes me about this script is how unfiltered Gareth it is.

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I mean, it's so, it's so charming and kind of fun, which Gareth is

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like I've known Gareth for many years and he's charming and witty

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and urbane.

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And this script is just very him.

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I don't see Russell's voice in the script much at all.

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Do you know what it reminds me of?

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You know, when Paul Cornell talks about human nature and sending

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scripts back to Russell and Russell saying, actually, no, put more

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of the novel in, make it more like what you wrote originally, um

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you know, I think that that given the subject matter and given the

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tone that Gareth is exactly the right person to do it, he was

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always the one who wrote the sort of witty, uh, kind of trope

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aware, new adventures novels.

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In fact, there were huge runs of the new adventures novels that

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were utterly unreadable but would have a Gareth, you know, one in

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the middle.

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That's right, they saw a lowbrow highbrow.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

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And so I mean, he's perfect for this.

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Thing about the scene, where the doctor's poisoned.

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So the scene where he's poisoned and he goes down to the kitchen

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for the antidote.

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Ginger beer.

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Ginger...

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Harvey Wallbanger, you know, and like it's so urgent that he gets

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sold that when Donna sort of fails to do the mime, he actually

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spends a few lines criticising her rather than just saying the

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word salt.

493
00:25:17.220 --> 00:25:21.059
And that whole thing is just, like, it's not only funny, but it's

494
00:25:21.059 --> 00:25:23.460
perfectly tailored for the 2 actors as well.

495
00:25:23.940 --> 00:25:28.019
Which is extraordinary when you consider this is the 1st episode

496
00:25:28.019 --> 00:25:30.240
Catherine Tate filmed for this series.

497
00:25:30.299 --> 00:25:31.859
I forgot that.

498
00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:34.680
And don't both of them just look overjoyed throughout the whole

499
00:25:34.680 --> 00:25:34.980
thing.

500
00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:36.660
They both look so happy to be there.

501
00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:37.559
Yeah.

502
00:25:37.619 --> 00:25:40.980
I mean, later on in the season, tenant will start to look very

503
00:25:40.980 --> 00:25:43.740
freckly, like later on in the filming.

504
00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:49.980
Apparently, uh, I have heard that all the night shoots on partners

505
00:25:49.980 --> 00:25:53.160
in crime, David just, during the production period, never really

506
00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:55.920
recovered from, like he never recovered the tiredness and the

507
00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:56.160
sleep.

508
00:25:56.220 --> 00:25:59.339
And there is kind of a division in this series.

509
00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:03.000
I'm a few episodes ahead in my watch at the moment.

510
00:26:03.059 --> 00:26:03.960
I'm watching midnight.

511
00:26:04.019 --> 00:26:05.400
Just his skin looks horrid.

512
00:26:05.460 --> 00:26:07.859
Whereas here he looks like fresh as a daisy.

513
00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:11.579
But yeah, so the 1st seeing Catherine filmed, obviously, after

514
00:26:11.579 --> 00:26:14.880
Runaway Bride is the scene where they actually walk out of the

515
00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:15.480
TARDIS.

516
00:26:15.539 --> 00:26:16.140
Wow.

517
00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:19.319
And I like to think that's why we never get this hair again.

518
00:26:19.380 --> 00:26:22.500
I'm thinking someone looked at the rushes and kind of went, oh

519
00:26:22.500 --> 00:26:22.740
no.

520
00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:24.720
No we don't want that.

521
00:26:24.779 --> 00:26:26.880
Possibly Catherine herself.

522
00:26:26.940 --> 00:26:31.259
Like, apparently Catherine was very conscious of how she looked on

523
00:26:31.259 --> 00:26:33.779
screen and would communicate with the directors and the

524
00:26:33.779 --> 00:26:34.200
designers.

525
00:26:34.259 --> 00:26:37.740
Not in a demanding way, but just kind of, oh no, I think I would

526
00:26:37.740 --> 00:26:39.779
look better in this or I would think I would look.

527
00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:42.660
It's also why we never got the Catherine Tate bride action

528
00:26:42.660 --> 00:26:43.140
figure.

529
00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:44.640
Wow, okay.

530
00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:49.380
Because apparently Catherine thought she looked a bit big.

531
00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:53.099
She looked at it and thought, is that an auton from Rose?

532
00:26:54.180 --> 00:27:01.619
It is kind of funny. because she is older than Tennant?

533
00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:02.700
Yes.

534
00:27:02.819 --> 00:27:08.579
And so the 1st regular companion to be older than the doctor?

535
00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:09.299
Yes.

536
00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:15.359
And, I mean, she isn't cast necessarily as someone for the dads

537
00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:18.960
you know, so you've got how do we dress this middle-aged female

538
00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:19.799
companion.

539
00:27:19.859 --> 00:27:23.579
We've never had, you know, a companion this age.

540
00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:25.259
And I think she looks fantastic.

541
00:27:25.380 --> 00:27:26.339
Do you know what I mean?

542
00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:28.559
The clothes that they have are in...

543
00:27:28.980 --> 00:27:35.160
And you already see, that kind of makes sense because in early in

544
00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:40.799
the series, we've noticed just how incredibly compassionate she is

545
00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:45.599
the big surprising thing is that you get Catherine Tate in and she

546
00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:50.880
is the most caring and compassionate companion, you know, and the

547
00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:54.900
one who is most angered by injustice and unfairness and things.

548
00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:56.400
And you get that here.

549
00:27:56.460 --> 00:27:58.619
And so it turns out it's for the 1st time.

550
00:27:59.099 --> 00:28:04.440
I think it also explains the sort of some of the scenes where I

551
00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:07.319
think her broad performance doesn't pay off.

552
00:28:07.380 --> 00:28:11.519
And in particular, it's that very long scene in the accusing

553
00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:12.180
parlour.

554
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:14.460
Oh my god, I love that performance.

555
00:28:14.579 --> 00:28:16.380
Oh my god.

556
00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:19.559
She's stopping her face the entire time.

557
00:28:19.619 --> 00:28:23.579
It's fantastic That's us at home watching the last 10 minutes of

558
00:28:23.579 --> 00:28:24.180
Poirot.

559
00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:27.059
I totally got, that's what that was.

560
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:28.140
Cohesia killer.

561
00:28:29.220 --> 00:28:34.019
I also, I love, I love this, and there's some little, there's some

562
00:28:34.019 --> 00:28:37.980
little, just, just cutaways to her reactions when I think, um, I

563
00:28:37.980 --> 00:28:40.740
think the doctor says towards the end, murder at vicars rage, and

564
00:28:40.740 --> 00:28:43.140
then her look of just disdain at him.

565
00:28:44.579 --> 00:28:46.740
Yeah, just fantastic.

566
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:50.700
And that utterly charming scene where she's exploring the bedroom

567
00:28:50.700 --> 00:28:51.900
by herself.

568
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:53.640
Oh, so good.

569
00:28:53.700 --> 00:28:54.059
Yeah.

570
00:28:54.119 --> 00:28:56.880
And it's always a challenge for any actor if you're in a scene by

571
00:28:56.880 --> 00:29:01.019
yourself to make the words work and make it not just, this is

572
00:29:01.019 --> 00:29:01.740
television.

573
00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:03.720
So I must continue to speak.

574
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:07.019
So you know that something is happening and nothing is wrong with

575
00:29:07.019 --> 00:29:07.619
your set.

576
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:10.559
And she does it so very well.

577
00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:14.519
And she does the scared of monsters thing really well.

578
00:29:14.579 --> 00:29:15.539
Acting to nothing.

579
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:19.200
Well, you know, no one does a better walking down a corridor

580
00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:22.319
looking into the middle distance performance than Catherine Tate.

581
00:29:22.380 --> 00:29:23.880
Just incredible.

582
00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:29.880
I mean, in that scene, she does call out and she calls out for the

583
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:33.960
doctor, but she actually escapes from the vest perform herself

584
00:29:34.019 --> 00:29:35.339
without any help from him.

585
00:29:35.400 --> 00:29:37.259
And she does it by being clever.

586
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:40.920
And it's another thing that they junk from the runaway bride, where

587
00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:43.440
you have Lance, you know, saying she couldn't find Germany on a

588
00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:43.859
map.

589
00:29:43.980 --> 00:29:46.920
She is clever as well.

590
00:29:46.980 --> 00:29:52.200
So there has been like a sort of careful rewriting of her

591
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:55.440
character and it looks like that's right from the 1st episode they

592
00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:55.859
shoot.

593
00:29:56.579 --> 00:30:00.960
And on that topic of her intelligence and her compassion.

594
00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:04.380
When Agatha Christie is despairing that she can't solve this

595
00:30:04.380 --> 00:30:05.099
mystery.

596
00:30:05.099 --> 00:30:09.779
And Donna goes out to talk to her and brings up the fact that her

597
00:30:09.779 --> 00:30:12.839
husband has left her, which she's not meant to know about.

598
00:30:12.900 --> 00:30:18.900
It's kind of a parallel to that scene in Rise of the Cybermen, also

599
00:30:18.900 --> 00:30:22.680
directed by Graham Harper, where Rose is talking to Jackie.

600
00:30:22.740 --> 00:30:26.519
But the difference there is Rose, of course, has a personal stake

601
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:29.519
in this and is basically saying take him back, take him back.

602
00:30:29.579 --> 00:30:32.880
Whereas Donna's just like, yeah, that's really horrid, you know?

603
00:30:32.940 --> 00:30:34.079
Oh, you poor thing.

604
00:30:34.140 --> 00:30:37.859
Yeah, that is, and it's more about just affirming what Agatha is

605
00:30:37.859 --> 00:30:41.099
saying and affirming Agatha rather than playing any of her own

606
00:30:41.099 --> 00:30:41.640
agenda.

607
00:30:41.700 --> 00:30:42.599
Yeah.

608
00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:46.259
I think she's on that exact point.

609
00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:49.980
I think she's what makes her so successful and and like we've been

610
00:30:49.980 --> 00:30:52.380
saying clearly from the 1st shooting block as well.

611
00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:54.960
She's sort of, she's sort of the mate that you wanted to travel

612
00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:56.940
around in space and time with.

613
00:30:57.000 --> 00:30:59.039
She's sort of the person that she just seems like.

614
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:00.720
And her, and this is her.

615
00:31:00.779 --> 00:31:03.059
I think this is Catherine Tate, like just has sort of natural

616
00:31:03.059 --> 00:31:05.519
charm coming through as well a lot of the time.

617
00:31:05.579 --> 00:31:08.880
But it's just, yeah, her sort of compassion and then her ability

618
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:12.839
to listen to Agatha and take on board what she's saying and sort

619
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:16.440
of gently nudge her in an encouraging way, but in a way that you

620
00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:19.200
feel like she's being sort of a genuine friend to people and she's

621
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:19.980
looking out for people.

622
00:31:19.980 --> 00:31:23.099
And I think when she, and that, and that, I think reaches a really

623
00:31:23.099 --> 00:31:27.359
interesting point when she, when she ultimately, um, so when she

624
00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:31.440
throws the Firestone into the lake and, and I think her line is, I

625
00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:33.660
couldn't help myself or I couldn't help myself either.

626
00:31:33.779 --> 00:31:37.859
And I just, I think there's, there's something really lovely and

627
00:31:37.859 --> 00:31:41.880
nuanced in, in the way she's written here, even in those scenes

628
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:45.180
that she is sort of being the surrogant audience at home and, um

629
00:31:45.180 --> 00:31:48.240
she's sort of doing a lot in the service of the narrative, but

630
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:51.779
she's also just coming across as just such a, a sort of magnetic

631
00:31:51.779 --> 00:31:55.259
personality that you can see the doctor just sort of just

632
00:31:55.259 --> 00:31:57.779
travelling with for years because she's just, she's just such a

633
00:31:57.779 --> 00:32:01.259
great mate that sort of, and also like holds him accountable when

634
00:32:01.259 --> 00:32:06.240
he, you know, makes a terrible pun or when he, or when he, like

635
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:09.779
earlier in the series, even when he sort of, at that end of the

636
00:32:09.779 --> 00:32:11.579
Fire of Pompeii, that scene as well.

637
00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:14.579
Like, she's just, she's just so magnetic in that way, I think.

638
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:14.880
Yeah.

639
00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:19.200
This is my theory of why Donna is such a successful companion.

640
00:32:19.259 --> 00:32:20.640
Well, she's the archetype, really.

641
00:32:20.700 --> 00:32:24.359
She and Sarah Jane share the same thing in that they're an

642
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:26.099
analogue of the show itself.

643
00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:30.660
They're smart, they're compassionate, they're empathetic and

644
00:32:30.660 --> 00:32:31.380
witty.

645
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:33.240
They can be broad sometimes.

646
00:32:33.299 --> 00:32:34.859
They can be subtle sometimes.

647
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:38.279
And I think it's the reason she's so successful, is that she

648
00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:41.579
captures Russell's Doctor Who, you know, it's alchemy.

649
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:43.440
She captures Russell's Doctor Who in one character.

650
00:32:43.500 --> 00:32:45.599
And of course, she's played by Catherine Tate.

651
00:32:45.660 --> 00:32:46.380
Yeah.

652
00:32:46.380 --> 00:32:47.099
Yeah.

653
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:50.940
The other companion, I would throw into that comparison as well.

654
00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:52.500
I mean, actually, more than one.

655
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:56.099
But I would also say Clara, specifically in series eight.

656
00:32:56.160 --> 00:33:00.000
I think that's the only time Clara really works and it's because

657
00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:04.859
again, she is keeping the doctor in check, just as we as the

658
00:33:04.859 --> 00:33:08.160
audience do, with early Capaldi, where he's being, you know

659
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:09.420
objectionable and rude.

660
00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:12.359
Clara's the one who turns around and says, no, we don't act like

661
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:12.599
that.

662
00:33:12.660 --> 00:33:14.579
That's not what we do.

663
00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:17.640
She's teaching him how to be the doctor again.

664
00:33:17.700 --> 00:33:22.740
She's also Moffatt's version of Doctor Who and a character that

665
00:33:22.740 --> 00:33:25.200
Moffatt's been writing ever since press gang, you know?

666
00:33:25.259 --> 00:33:31.079
So she is a sort of distilled version of that Moffatt who kind of

667
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:32.220
energy, I think.

668
00:33:39.539 --> 00:33:43.380
Can we go back to something that I had completely forgotten

669
00:33:43.380 --> 00:33:43.920
about?

670
00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:46.500
Why is Graham Harper directing this?

671
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:50.700
I think it might have just been scheduled lottery, but I mean

672
00:33:50.700 --> 00:33:56.220
Graham previously has had all of those kind of big budget kind of

673
00:33:56.220 --> 00:33:59.099
action stories because that plays to his strengths.

674
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:02.039
But then he's given Planets of Theude, which is a character piece

675
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:06.000
and Unicorn and the Wasp, which is an historical comedy, and he

676
00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:07.140
does fabulously on both.

677
00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:08.760
He is just an amazing director.

678
00:34:08.820 --> 00:34:10.739
It's really perfect, isn't it?

679
00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:14.219
And I've said before, I think that, you know, Harper stands out

680
00:34:14.219 --> 00:34:17.159
extraordinarily in the 80s because he's just streets ahead of

681
00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:17.940
everyone else.

682
00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:21.780
And then in the new series, he's a bit ahead of everyone else.

683
00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:25.679
But I think I've probably undersold him because he just gets this

684
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:26.639
completely right.

685
00:34:27.300 --> 00:34:32.639
Yeah, and there's just some amazing moments like the Dolly Zoom on

686
00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:38.159
Felicity Kendall when she realises that her son is the vicar and a

687
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:38.760
wasp.

688
00:34:38.820 --> 00:34:40.199
Yeah.

689
00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:42.960
Hold on, white Anglo-Saxon Protestant.

690
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:50.340
Oh my God, that has to be a thing.

691
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:51.719
Surely, surely.

692
00:34:53.039 --> 00:35:00.360
And things like the the view of the monster, like the segmented

693
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:04.260
thing, so we know it's an insect even before we see it, that

694
00:35:04.260 --> 00:35:07.199
lovely high screen shot right at the start when the car's arriving

695
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:07.500
outside.

696
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:08.340
Yeah.

697
00:35:08.340 --> 00:35:08.699
Yeah.

698
00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:12.480
Or even the shot of the shadow of the lead piping come down.

699
00:35:12.539 --> 00:35:17.039
I think he's so skilled at finding these moments that just stick

700
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:19.320
in your head and there's like these little visuals from this

701
00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:23.699
episode that I just, I think I've just in my head permanently

702
00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:27.539
makes me think, you know, if Arc of Infinity had been made as a

703
00:35:27.539 --> 00:35:28.380
deliberate comedy.

704
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:31.500
The whole impulse laser line would now be a classic.

705
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:32.159
Exactly.

706
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:34.260
Still sort of a classic.

707
00:35:34.380 --> 00:35:35.940
What are you doing with that lead piping?

708
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:38.460
What do you think, I'm sure?

709
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:42.000
That is my favourite line in the same time.

710
00:35:42.059 --> 00:35:45.840
I say, what are you doing with that lead piping is just, I think

711
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:46.619
it's gold.

712
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:49.739
I said that Sasha just the other day.

713
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:54.300
See, I think this is white.

714
00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:57.179
This episode looks so brilliant because it looks like it doesn't

715
00:35:57.179 --> 00:35:58.920
have the budget of some of the other episodes.

716
00:35:58.980 --> 00:35:59.880
It doesn't need the budget.

717
00:35:59.940 --> 00:36:04.079
And yet Graham brings such a visual flair to it.

718
00:36:04.139 --> 00:36:05.460
It looks a 1000000 bucks.

719
00:36:05.579 --> 00:36:09.000
Yeah, I mean, it's a, you know, it's a truism to talk about the

720
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:13.320
BBC doing period staff, you know, but this is the thing that 100s

721
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:17.340
and 100s of hours of this sort of TV come out every year, perhaps

722
00:36:17.340 --> 00:36:19.260
without a giant CG wasp in it.

723
00:36:19.380 --> 00:36:21.480
And it looks fantastic.

724
00:36:21.539 --> 00:36:25.739
Even just the fact that, you know, the opening scene is set at a

725
00:36:25.739 --> 00:36:27.119
cocktail party on the lawn.

726
00:36:27.179 --> 00:36:31.920
You know, like that is more expensive than setting it inside a

727
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:36.059
room and stuff and it's sunny and great and we get introduced to

728
00:36:36.059 --> 00:36:38.699
just this incredible cast as well.

729
00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:40.619
And Donna drinks sidecars.

730
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:43.139
I love a side.

731
00:36:44.460 --> 00:36:46.500
On the direction.

732
00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:50.460
I think something, Graham does, that's very clever, is obviously

733
00:36:50.460 --> 00:36:53.039
where cribbing left, right, and centre from Agatha Christie

734
00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:53.639
adaptations.

735
00:36:53.699 --> 00:36:57.239
But the Dolly Zoom, of course, made famous in Jaws.

736
00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:01.679
And the death of Miss Chandrakala is straight out of the omen.

737
00:37:01.739 --> 00:37:03.119
Oh, wow, okay.

738
00:37:03.179 --> 00:37:04.260
It's shot.

739
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:07.800
It shot in exactly the same way as the spire killing Patrick

740
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:08.699
Trouton.

741
00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:12.900
Even right down to, the actress playing this Chandra Khala does

742
00:37:12.900 --> 00:37:16.320
the same had gestures at the same kind of scream.

743
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:22.199
It's a very deliberate crib and, you know, if you've only seen

744
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:27.000
those movies like once and you're not a big movie Afficionado, your

745
00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:30.360
subconscious will just go, oh, this comes from something of very

746
00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:30.840
high quality.

747
00:37:30.900 --> 00:37:31.380
Yeah.

748
00:37:31.860 --> 00:37:34.920
Whereas if you are a bit more of a film buff and you're able to

749
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:36.300
pick out those antecedents.

750
00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:39.539
You go, oh, yeah, so I say I'm what you're doing, yeah.

751
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:41.880
I'm going to enjoy my port and cigar.

752
00:37:41.940 --> 00:37:43.139
You're very clever Mr. Harper.

753
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:49.619
It actually reminds me a bit of Edgar Wright's kind of style.

754
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:53.519
Like, there's like a real, there's a real sort of, um, an

755
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:58.199
enthusiasm on using sort of like, or embracing sort of tropes, but

756
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:01.440
also sort of having a real, like, relish and glee with them and

757
00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:05.159
sort of, and them being sort of, like, obviously serving the

758
00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:07.920
script super well, but, but there is, like you said, there is that

759
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:10.559
opportunity that if you recognise it, it just enhances your

760
00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:11.699
enjoyment of it further.

761
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:16.139
Agatha says to the doctor at one point, um, you talk quite like

762
00:38:16.139 --> 00:38:17.099
Edward Lear.

763
00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:20.099
And I think that's Gareth as well.

764
00:38:20.219 --> 00:38:21.960
Yeah, his writing is like Edward Lear.

765
00:38:22.019 --> 00:38:23.340
Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

766
00:38:30.179 --> 00:38:34.920
So we have finally got Felicity Kendall on Doctor Who.

767
00:38:34.980 --> 00:38:35.460
Hooray.

768
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:40.320
Yes, completely completing the goods.

769
00:38:40.380 --> 00:38:41.699
So we've had Richard Briars.

770
00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:42.239
Yes.

771
00:38:42.300 --> 00:38:45.420
And Richard Briers will turn up in Torchwood as well or has just

772
00:38:45.420 --> 00:38:48.000
turned up in Torchwood season two before this.

773
00:38:48.840 --> 00:38:51.719
But yes, Felicity Goddamn Kendall.

774
00:38:51.780 --> 00:38:52.619
Yeah, yeah.

775
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:56.639
It's really good too, to have her sort of playing against type in

776
00:38:56.639 --> 00:38:56.940
a way.

777
00:38:57.000 --> 00:39:00.659
Like the, she is so sort of wholesome as Barbara Good.

778
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:05.519
So having her sort of secretly alcoholic and things, you know, like

779
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:08.820
burping after her flashback because she's just been drinking and

780
00:39:08.820 --> 00:39:11.400
things, is sort of terribly, terribly funny.

781
00:39:11.460 --> 00:39:17.219
And then Christopher Benjamin, who, you know, he was such a large

782
00:39:17.219 --> 00:39:22.920
middle-aged man way back in, um, even in, inferno, that it's kind

783
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:27.719
of surprising to see him still sort of up and about in 2008. fairly

784
00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:28.500
unchanged as well.

785
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:31.139
He's looking he's looking pretty healthy there.

786
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:35.699
The thing is, Felicity Kendall had just come off playing in

787
00:39:35.699 --> 00:39:37.139
Rosemary and time.

788
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:41.099
Oh, which is a mystery solving gardener with Pantheras.

789
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:41.880
Delightful.

790
00:39:41.940 --> 00:39:44.940
I can't remember if she's rosemary or time.

791
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:49.320
And then, of course, this bit of casting is more interesting in

792
00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:51.360
retrospect and it's Felicity Jones.

793
00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:54.059
Star Wars is Felicity Jones.

794
00:39:54.119 --> 00:39:56.699
Andy, we're going to take someone who's going to be very famous

795
00:39:56.699 --> 00:39:58.199
next year and cast them this year.

796
00:39:58.260 --> 00:40:00.179
It's amazing how he does that.

797
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:02.579
He's got an incredible track record of doing it.

798
00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:06.900
But he makes a very clever decision, though, of not casting her as

799
00:40:06.900 --> 00:40:09.599
someone you would necessarily desperately want to see as a

800
00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:12.119
companion and whose name would be brought up again and again every

801
00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:14.460
time they would cast a companion, Carrie Mulligan.

802
00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:17.820
But now who is now far too big to do Doctor Who.

803
00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:21.539
Whereas Jenna Coleman, later on, would have the good sense to be

804
00:40:21.539 --> 00:40:24.179
in Captain America before she did Doctor Who.

805
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:26.639
So, is she in Captain America?

806
00:40:26.699 --> 00:40:31.320
She's Bucky Barnes' date in the 1940s.

807
00:40:31.380 --> 00:40:33.599
So Karen Gillan trajectory, but backwards.

808
00:40:33.659 --> 00:40:35.940
She has like 2 lights.

809
00:40:37.380 --> 00:40:41.039
I love Felicity Jones in this. she's fantastic.

810
00:40:41.099 --> 00:40:42.420
All right, then.

811
00:40:42.900 --> 00:40:48.420
That's such a wonderfully sort of, you know, mannered performance

812
00:40:48.420 --> 00:40:48.900
isn't it?

813
00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:53.099
It's like, I'm completely dropping the accent and going all comedy

814
00:40:53.099 --> 00:40:54.179
working class.

815
00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:57.659
Like it doesn't convince for a second, but it's absolutely not

816
00:40:57.659 --> 00:40:58.139
supposed to.

817
00:40:58.199 --> 00:40:59.820
It's so fun Yeah.

818
00:40:59.880 --> 00:41:03.719
And of course, as one of the footmen, Sandy McDonald, David

819
00:41:03.719 --> 00:41:04.619
Tennant's dad.

820
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:05.940
Oh yeah.

821
00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:08.219
I think he's serving drinks at the party at the start.

822
00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:11.099
He is, I think he's in the 1st like the 1st panning shot.

823
00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:12.360
I think it's him.

824
00:41:16.139 --> 00:41:18.480
Can we talk about David for a moment?

825
00:41:18.539 --> 00:41:19.440
Yeah.

826
00:41:19.500 --> 00:41:22.800
I think this is one of David's best performances.

827
00:41:22.860 --> 00:41:24.179
He's very light.

828
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:24.960
He's very fun.

829
00:41:25.019 --> 00:41:28.800
He's channelling the 5th doctor with his kind of specs and with

830
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:31.320
his over-the-top enthusiasm for things.

831
00:41:31.380 --> 00:41:34.739
And I think the doctor works really well at the heart of this

832
00:41:34.739 --> 00:41:36.480
story because he's Poirot.

833
00:41:36.539 --> 00:41:39.179
And if you think about Poirot's trait.

834
00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:41.760
He is kind of eccentric, but establishment.

835
00:41:41.820 --> 00:41:44.519
He's overly obsessed with his appearance.

836
00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:47.099
I mean, who does that remind you of?

837
00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:47.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

838
00:41:48.420 --> 00:41:52.380
I think we've talked about it just briefly before, but in that

839
00:41:52.380 --> 00:41:55.679
sort of wonderful, like, physical comedy scene with the poison.

840
00:41:55.739 --> 00:42:00.360
I think I think he's, I think he's actually really often, I, I

841
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:03.179
know we've talked a bit on the podcast before about him

842
00:42:03.179 --> 00:42:06.960
occasionally in sort of the Hammier moments, being a bit great, but

843
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:09.719
I think that it's, I think he's fantastic in that scene.

844
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:12.900
And I think he's just, and I think maybe there is that excitement

845
00:42:12.900 --> 00:42:16.800
about, um, Catherine and David working sort of for the, like

846
00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:19.320
meeting again and working on this 1st episode again, but there's

847
00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:21.000
just such a, I think that's it.

848
00:42:21.059 --> 00:42:23.820
I think there's a nimbleness to his performance that, that, that

849
00:42:23.820 --> 00:42:28.559
maybe is, I think, is quite refreshing to see and and I think he's

850
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:30.539
um, yeah, just some of the delivery of that.

851
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:33.840
I think he's, yeah, what his delivery of the camptown races is

852
00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:35.460
just...

853
00:42:36.900 --> 00:42:39.599
I think that's his funniest moment of in Doctor Who.

854
00:42:39.659 --> 00:42:43.559
I think that just the, as he's getting eaten away by Sinai, he's

855
00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:45.300
just, oh, Countdown races.

856
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:45.960
You're kidding.

857
00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:52.980
It does make me wonder if our sort of occasional problem with

858
00:42:52.980 --> 00:42:57.780
Tenet mugging it a bit for the camera is possibly because his

859
00:42:57.780 --> 00:43:00.719
other 2 companions he's had up till this point.

860
00:43:00.780 --> 00:43:06.059
Billy and Freema play them quite naturalistically.

861
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:10.019
Like no one ever gives a full naturalistic performance in Doctor

862
00:43:10.019 --> 00:43:13.320
Who, I would argue because of the heightened nature of it, but

863
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:16.739
because they are as close to naturalistic as possible.

864
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:18.300
His performance looks so much bigger.

865
00:43:18.360 --> 00:43:22.619
Catherine comes in and is giving the same kind of performance as

866
00:43:22.619 --> 00:43:23.579
tenant.

867
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:28.500
And so, yeah, I don't know that he's necessarily changed all that

868
00:43:28.500 --> 00:43:32.039
much, but just, because you've got the 2 of them together, and

869
00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:36.059
particularly because she's so, she's a bit more effortless with

870
00:43:36.059 --> 00:43:40.619
the comedy than tenant is, because that's her background.

871
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:44.880
Richard's not here today, of course, but he has always said about

872
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:48.840
Catherine Tate, if you want someone to give good drama, hire a

873
00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:50.460
comedian.

874
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:54.179
And I think she, perhaps she doesn't necessarily bring out the

875
00:43:54.179 --> 00:43:57.420
best intenant, but it's like a flavour pairing.

876
00:43:57.480 --> 00:43:58.920
Yeah, yeah.

877
00:43:58.980 --> 00:44:00.900
I think they work tremendously well together.

878
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:04.800
And I think the 10th doctor is suited to jolly japes like this

879
00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:07.920
because he doesn't have to be big and strong, you know

880
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:10.679
grandstanding and making sort of big speeches.

881
00:44:10.739 --> 00:44:12.900
He's just enjoying himself and so is David.

882
00:44:13.980 --> 00:44:18.239
You know how I said that this is uh, the beginning of a run of 7

883
00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:21.239
episodes that I think uh, really amazing.

884
00:44:21.300 --> 00:44:27.000
One of the things that I think, is amazing about this particular

885
00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:32.760
run, is the different textures and different tones of all of the

886
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:33.719
episodes as well.

887
00:44:33.780 --> 00:44:38.340
And we are going to go into something that is going to be very big

888
00:44:38.340 --> 00:44:43.800
um, and we've got episodes like midnight and turn left and the

889
00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:46.920
finale coming up, which will be hugely emotional.

890
00:44:46.980 --> 00:44:51.599
And there'll be comedy, but it won't be the focus, and some of

891
00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:56.280
them will be, you know, quite upsetting and difficult.

892
00:44:56.340 --> 00:45:02.579
And so I think, as you said, Max, this is perfect at this point in

893
00:45:02.579 --> 00:45:07.139
the season to do something as fun and comic and enjoyable as

894
00:45:07.139 --> 00:45:07.500
this.

895
00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:09.059
I think it works tremendously well.

896
00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:10.679
It's like a clearing of the palate.

897
00:45:10.739 --> 00:45:11.639
Yeah.

898
00:45:38.699 --> 00:45:41.579
Well, there listener, we've decided to slip away before Agatha

899
00:45:41.579 --> 00:45:43.380
Christie's wild party really kicks off.

900
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:47.219
Instead, we might just curl up in a shady corner somewhere with a

901
00:45:47.219 --> 00:45:48.000
very good book.

902
00:45:48.119 --> 00:45:51.719
We'll see you next week for silence in the library.

903
00:45:51.780 --> 00:45:55.679
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts

904
00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:58.679
and you can keep up with us at flights for entirety on Facebook, at

905
00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:03.059
FTE podcast on Twitter, and on our website, flightthroughentirety

906
00:46:01.500 --> 00:46:06.239
com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger and

907
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:07.380
Jody into Terror.

908
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:10.739
Until next time, don't touch the soup.

909
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:13.800
It's full of pipperine and I think they might have found a dead

910
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:14.519
body in it.

911
00:46:14.579 --> 00:46:16.980
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

912
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:18.059
Good night.

913
00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:18.659
Good night.

914
00:46:18.719 --> 00:46:19.440
Good night.

915
00:46:22.619 --> 00:46:26.519
That was Flight for Entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, Peter

916
00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:28.679
Griffiths, Max Gel Barton, Brendan Jones.

917
00:46:28.739 --> 00:46:31.739
Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, Strings performance by Jane

918
00:46:31.739 --> 00:46:32.519
Allberg.

919
00:46:32.579 --> 00:46:35.940
This episode, Lowbrow Highbrow, was recorded on the 15th of

920
00:46:35.940 --> 00:46:38.820
February 2020 and released on the 26th of April.

921
00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:44.880
As is, of course, well known, Dame Agatha Christie passed away on

922
00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:49.139
the 12th of January 1976, which means that she died without ever

923
00:46:49.139 --> 00:46:52.320
finding out if Sarah Jane Smith would get her eyesight back.

924
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:53.760
Makes you think.

925
00:46:54.780 --> 00:46:56.880
That's a good out I think.

926
00:46:56.940 --> 00:46:58.440
Yeah, I think that probably is a good hour.

927
00:46:58.500 --> 00:46:59.280
What do you think?

928
00:46:59.340 --> 00:47:01.980
Max, is there anything that you wanted to cover that we didn't get

929
00:47:01.980 --> 00:47:02.219
to?

930
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:07.019
No, it's just sort of a vague.

931
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:08.340
There was this...

932
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:10.920
I have a point of I was just going to mention about like sort of

933
00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:14.340
how the shape of like where this falls in the shape of series 4

934
00:47:14.340 --> 00:47:17.159
and how sort of the shape of each series is is been sort of

935
00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:19.559
identical to each other, but it was kind of a very vague ephemeral

936
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:20.940
point that I don't think is actually that interesting.

937
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:21.960
So forget that.

938
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:29.699
I once admitted on when I was guessing on a podcast that RTD does

939
00:47:29.699 --> 00:47:33.960
make the same series 4 times in a row.

940
00:47:34.019 --> 00:47:35.219
Moffatt makes it once.

941
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:40.079
No, Moffat kind of lurches from, God knows what, to God knows

942
00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:40.380
what.

943
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:41.579
He doesn't know what he's doing.

944
00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:44.159
Each season he's reacting against the previous season, I think.

945
00:47:44.219 --> 00:47:45.360
With the previous one.

946
00:47:45.420 --> 00:47:48.119
Yeah, whereas Russell...

947
00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:51.840
Well, because I think what the unicorn, what I've noticed with

948
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:55.800
watching the unicorn and wasp was that there's this sort of and I

949
00:47:55.800 --> 00:47:58.980
think it's what Moffin Moffat tries to correct in series 6 where

950
00:47:58.980 --> 00:48:02.460
of this sense of like a sort of mid-series kind of slump, but I

951
00:48:02.460 --> 00:48:04.500
was going to say that I think the unicorn and the wasp

952
00:48:04.500 --> 00:48:07.920
particularly after last week is this is this beautiful like pop of

953
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:10.860
champagne in the middle of the, in the middle of the series that I

954
00:48:10.860 --> 00:48:15.000
think is actually almost what he's been almost what each series.

955
00:48:15.059 --> 00:48:17.760
I mean, the 1st series kind of avoids it with Dalek a little bit.

956
00:48:17.820 --> 00:48:19.920
You've got like the midseries kind of tempole thing.

957
00:48:19.980 --> 00:48:24.119
But I think, um, but I think particularly reacted against last

958
00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:26.940
year, there's this real, I think the Unicorn the Wasp is exactly

959
00:48:26.940 --> 00:48:29.519
what they need in the middle of a series like this, if it's 13

960
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:30.119
episodes.

961
00:48:30.179 --> 00:48:33.599
I think it's something that is just, like sort of, I think, I

962
00:48:33.599 --> 00:48:36.059
think something that is just a, and I think Amy's choice does it

963
00:48:36.059 --> 00:48:39.119
again in series 5, like something that is just sort of really

964
00:48:39.119 --> 00:48:42.840
funny and witty, but kind of just an incredibly quality episode

965
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:45.420
just in the middle of the run, I think is, I think that's what

966
00:48:45.420 --> 00:48:46.980
makes this also such a joy.

967
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:47.400
Yeah.

968
00:48:47.460 --> 00:48:48.539
Just wait a second.

969
00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:52.079
I think we can probably, Alfie's crying outside the door, but we

970
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:52.739
just let him in.

971
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:54.719
Oh, okay.

972
00:48:54.780 --> 00:48:55.739
Just close it all.

973
00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:56.280
Good boy.

974
00:48:56.340 --> 00:48:57.780
Good boy.

975
00:48:57.840 --> 00:48:59.159
Sit down, mate.

976
00:48:59.219 --> 00:48:59.760
Sit.

977
00:48:59.820 --> 00:49:01.199
Okay.

978
00:49:01.739 --> 00:49:03.780
I actually think...

979
00:49:03.780 --> 00:49:05.340
What's up?

980
00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:06.059
I say one thing?

981
00:49:06.119 --> 00:49:06.539
Yep.

982
00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:07.920
So Agatha Christie.

983
00:49:07.980 --> 00:49:12.239
Just her work was known for its language.

984
00:49:12.300 --> 00:49:16.440
So kind of simple language and colourful descriptions which then

985
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:21.239
gave way to kind of pace and lots of dialogue and her prolific

986
00:49:21.239 --> 00:49:21.840
quality.

987
00:49:21.900 --> 00:49:24.780
I mean, in the Doctor Who world, who do we know who resembles

988
00:49:24.780 --> 00:49:24.900
that?

989
00:49:25.380 --> 00:49:27.239
Terrence Sticks?

990
00:49:27.300 --> 00:49:28.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

991
00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:30.360
He's our Agatha Christie.

992
00:49:30.420 --> 00:49:31.739
Yeah, just sort of solid.

993
00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:32.519
Super.

994
00:49:32.579 --> 00:49:33.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

995
00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:39.179
And you absolutely don't have to include this, but the colour for

996
00:49:39.179 --> 00:49:40.679
monsters this season is purple.

997
00:49:40.739 --> 00:49:41.639
Yes.

998
00:49:41.699 --> 00:49:44.280
Because the Santarans have purple lights everywhere.

999
00:49:44.340 --> 00:49:45.119
They do.

1000
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:46.260
The Hatha purple.

1001
00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:49.380
The best perform pink is purple.

1002
00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:52.019
There's a bit of purple in the library.

1003
00:49:53.699 --> 00:49:57.599
But yeah, I just, I just noticed watching this, it's like, oh, the

1004
00:49:57.599 --> 00:49:59.460
colour, the colour for monsters is purple.

1005
00:49:59.579 --> 00:50:01.920
Are you sure there are any Vince just you can get a job lot of

1006
00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:02.400
gels?

1007
00:50:02.460 --> 00:50:03.900
Yeah, almost.

1008
00:50:03.900 --> 00:50:08.159
All right, let's try the outro.

1009
00:50:08.219 --> 00:50:12.000
But, I mean, where I really noticed it was the vicars flashback

1010
00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:12.360
scene.

1011
00:50:12.420 --> 00:50:15.179
Yeah, he's going bizz.

1012
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:17.400
And yeah, you know, they just shine a purple light in his face, but

1013
00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:21.059
also, like, those guys are robbing the church in the dead of

1014
00:50:21.059 --> 00:50:21.480
night.

1015
00:50:21.539 --> 00:50:25.920
It's streaming sunlight from the outside, Mr. Harper.

1016
00:50:25.980 --> 00:50:27.119
Maybe it's summer.

1017
00:50:27.179 --> 00:50:30.659
I always just assume that in Britain, you know, I've seen Carnival

1018
00:50:30.659 --> 00:50:31.260
of Monsters.

1019
00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:38.099
And when Agatha runs out of the room with the gem towards the end

1020
00:50:38.099 --> 00:50:41.400
sort of freeze frame it and go by frame by frame, there's a really

1021
00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:42.119
weird jump cut.

1022
00:50:42.179 --> 00:50:44.280
They've used 2 different takes of her running out the door.

1023
00:50:44.340 --> 00:50:45.719
Really?

1024
00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:46.679
Yeah, yeah.

1025
00:50:46.739 --> 00:50:49.800
Or they've they've lost a few frames there somehow.

1026
00:50:49.860 --> 00:50:52.860
I'm not, I'm not mentioning that as the main part of the podcast

1027
00:50:52.860 --> 00:50:54.840
because that is just pedantry.

1028
00:50:54.900 --> 00:50:56.159
Okay, Alfie.

1029
00:50:56.400 --> 00:51:00.119
Alfie won't sexually molest you because he's not Coco.

1030
00:51:00.179 --> 00:51:01.559
Oh, boy.

1031
00:51:01.619 --> 00:51:02.940
And he has been on the podcast before.

1032
00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:06.539
Yeah, I'll give him a hug so he doesn't he doesn't whinge and ruin

1033
00:51:06.539 --> 00:51:07.440
you. a good boy.

1034
00:51:07.500 --> 00:51:08.760
Oh, okay, let's see.

1035
00:51:08.820 --> 00:51:09.480
Did we talk about?

1036
00:51:09.539 --> 00:51:09.900
Oh, sorry.

1037
00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:13.019
I was just, is it worth, um, just with, what's the name of it?

1038
00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:13.380
Tom.

1039
00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:15.059
What's his Tom Goodman Hill?

1040
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:15.960
Is that the Reverend?

1041
00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:16.800
Yes.

1042
00:51:17.460 --> 00:51:18.420
Is that the reverend actor?

1043
00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:18.659
Yeah.

1044
00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:23.400
Oh, I was just going to say that his his his commitment to the to

1045
00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:24.780
the reveal buzzing.

1046
00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:29.940
I'm actually a monster moment, I think, sells what it must be a

1047
00:51:29.940 --> 00:51:31.739
hard, a hard thing to say.

1048
00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:33.659
I think is...

1049
00:51:33.659 --> 00:51:36.659
I think that was a big ask of an actor.

1050
00:51:36.780 --> 00:51:38.099
It's a big us.

1051
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:39.000
It's really funny.

1052
00:51:39.059 --> 00:51:40.139
He's good.

1053
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:41.039
I think he's good.

1054
00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:44.519
I think he's, I think he takes...

1055
00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:46.739
So he also goes on to be a lead role in humans.

1056
00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:47.519
Did you see humans?

1057
00:51:47.579 --> 00:51:48.179
No, I didn't.

1058
00:51:48.179 --> 00:51:48.360
No.

1059
00:51:48.420 --> 00:51:49.199
No I didn't know that.

1060
00:51:49.500 --> 00:51:53.340
And he is amazing in that and really kind of subtle.

1061
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:56.280
Yeah, it's entirely different performance, but yeah, it's great.

1062
00:51:56.340 --> 00:51:58.260
I love that season 4 trailer.

1063
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:02.280
I remember the season 4 trailer coming up in season 4 and it's it

1064
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:05.880
ends with just a vicar sitting on a couch going, well, this really

1065
00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:07.739
has been a most entertaining.

1066
00:52:08.400 --> 00:52:10.800
Go back to what we were saying earlier.

1067
00:52:10.860 --> 00:52:12.719
This is a series that can get away with it.

1068
00:52:12.780 --> 00:52:14.039
So great.

1069
00:52:14.099 --> 00:52:15.420
So great.