WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-04 at 13:09:32 1 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:40.140 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety 2 00:00:40.140 --> 00:00:42.359 the only Doctor Who podcast. 3 00:00:42.420 --> 00:00:44.579 Brendan, stop it. 4 00:00:44.640 --> 00:00:45.719 How are you doing that? 5 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:48.600 German expressionism? 6 00:00:48.719 --> 00:00:50.759 The massacre. 7 00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:53.939 But we're getting ahead of ourselves. 8 00:00:54.539 --> 00:00:57.780 I give this one a solid seven. 9 00:00:57.840 --> 00:00:58.740 0.4. 10 00:00:59.340 --> 00:01:01.979 That was like their entirety. 11 00:01:02.100 --> 00:01:03.659 Bang. 12 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:07.140 Barry, Jenny Ladd, Silla Black Tardis. 13 00:01:07.980 --> 00:01:11.879 Shamble, bobble, dibble, dibble. 14 00:01:12.420 --> 00:01:15.239 Oh, Nathan, you're the funny one. 15 00:01:15.299 --> 00:01:16.019 Yes, I am. 16 00:01:16.079 --> 00:01:16.500 Thank you. 17 00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:17.400 No, forget this. 18 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:17.879 I out. 19 00:01:17.939 --> 00:01:18.540 No, done. 20 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:22.739 You had to write that, didn't you? 21 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:25.260 I'm Nathan. 22 00:01:25.319 --> 00:01:26.879 I'm James I'm Brendan. 23 00:01:26.939 --> 00:01:27.659 I'm Josh. 24 00:01:27.719 --> 00:01:30.840 Well, Catherine Tate's got the week off and the sunlight here is 25 00:01:30.840 --> 00:01:34.560 poisonous, so we've decided to take a tour on a big space truck 26 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:37.920 with a bunch of daily mail readers across a diamond planet called 27 00:01:37.920 --> 00:01:38.579 Midnight. 28 00:01:38.640 --> 00:01:40.560 What could possibly go wrong? 29 00:01:40.620 --> 00:01:42.060 Do it again? 30 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:44.640 Do we do it again with love? 31 00:01:44.700 --> 00:01:45.780 Do we do it again? 32 00:01:45.900 --> 00:01:48.359 Do it, do it again with love? 33 00:01:48.420 --> 00:01:52.379 Hold him, holding, holding fast Never mind if it doesn't last Do 34 00:01:52.379 --> 00:01:53.280 it, do it again. 35 00:01:53.340 --> 00:01:56.340 Do it, do it again with love. 36 00:01:56.340 --> 00:01:59.640 Josh, you haven't been here for our discussion of series four. 37 00:01:59.700 --> 00:02:02.040 What's your feeling about it generally? 38 00:02:02.400 --> 00:02:05.459 Series 4 is my secret favourite. 39 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:10.560 I think it's when everything really goes right and Russell's 40 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:11.939 hitting his stride. 41 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:15.300 But yeah, it's definitely one of my favourites. 42 00:02:15.360 --> 00:02:18.539 When I think about all my favourite new series episodes, they're 43 00:02:18.539 --> 00:02:19.439 usually in series 4. 44 00:02:19.740 --> 00:02:22.259 And how about Midnight itself? 45 00:02:22.319 --> 00:02:23.039 How do you feel about that? 46 00:02:23.099 --> 00:02:26.759 Midnight is my 2nd favourite after turn left, which 47 00:02:26.759 --> 00:02:30.599 chronologically hasn't happened, yeah, that's next week, but yeah 48 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:35.460 basically, Doctor Who has no money, but they managed to make it 49 00:02:35.460 --> 00:02:35.699 work. 50 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:38.280 That's kind of what this episode is. 51 00:02:38.340 --> 00:02:40.560 It feels like, oh, we've run out of money for the budget for the 52 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:43.919 season, so we may as well just put it all, put nothing into this 53 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:45.180 episode and see what works. 54 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:47.340 It's the opposite of time flight. 55 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:48.360 Do you know what I mean? 56 00:02:48.419 --> 00:02:50.520 Like time flight. have no money and it's a mess. 57 00:02:50.580 --> 00:02:54.659 Whereas this one, they have no money for it, but they took out as 58 00:02:54.659 --> 00:02:57.000 an advantage, if that makes sense. 59 00:02:57.060 --> 00:03:00.360 It's one of those things about having Russell as a showrunner 60 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:04.979 because he's so incredibly good at making television and he knows 61 00:03:04.979 --> 00:03:05.639 what works. 62 00:03:05.699 --> 00:03:11.879 And so what he's decided to do here is basically a play on one 63 00:03:11.879 --> 00:03:12.479 set. 64 00:03:12.539 --> 00:03:16.680 And he relies on the actors to do all the special effects. 65 00:03:16.740 --> 00:03:17.939 I mean, it really is. 66 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:22.259 It's an episode maybe more than, you know, most Doctor Who 67 00:03:22.259 --> 00:03:25.860 episodes that gets what you can do in 42 minutes. 68 00:03:25.979 --> 00:03:29.039 It's really nearly perfect, I think. 69 00:03:29.099 --> 00:03:31.199 Oh, I just had to agree. 70 00:03:31.259 --> 00:03:34.860 I think this is one of my favourite Doctor Who stories of all 71 00:03:34.860 --> 00:03:35.219 time. 72 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:36.419 Yes, absolutely. 73 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:37.199 It was funny. 74 00:03:37.259 --> 00:03:40.020 Before I came down here, Rod said to me, what episode are you 75 00:03:40.020 --> 00:03:40.259 doing? 76 00:03:40.319 --> 00:03:41.939 And I said midnight. 77 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:43.379 He said, oh, that's so good. 78 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:44.699 It's really annoying. 79 00:03:44.819 --> 00:03:49.379 But he's like, I can see it's good, but I never want to watch it 80 00:03:49.379 --> 00:03:49.680 again. 81 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:53.039 Oh, it's so anxiety provoking, isn't it? 82 00:03:53.099 --> 00:03:56.520 Yeah, I just spent, I rewatched it last night in preparation 83 00:03:56.520 --> 00:03:57.479 podcast for once. 84 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:05.819 And, oh my god, I was just sitting on the edge of my seat going 85 00:04:05.819 --> 00:04:08.580 even though I watched it a 1000000 times before, I just, I 86 00:04:08.580 --> 00:04:09.900 couldn't turn away from the screen. 87 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:12.060 I was trying to write notes today. 88 00:04:12.180 --> 00:04:13.800 I just couldn't turn away. 89 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:17.160 Yeah, I felt the same because I was trying to write notes as 90 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:17.459 well. 91 00:04:17.519 --> 00:04:20.160 And then every time I just got distracted by just the drama of 92 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:20.399 it. 93 00:04:20.459 --> 00:04:23.579 It's just so well written and every moment you're kind of on the 94 00:04:23.579 --> 00:04:24.300 edge of your seat. 95 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:24.779 Yeah. 96 00:04:24.839 --> 00:04:28.079 Yeah, it reminds me so much of rope. 97 00:04:28.379 --> 00:04:32.939 The film by Hitchcock, because it's got that real-time element, but 98 00:04:32.939 --> 00:04:34.920 also the time is compressed. 99 00:04:34.980 --> 00:04:37.319 It's kind of like whenever the doctor gives a time call for how 100 00:04:37.319 --> 00:04:40.379 much longer they have left on the bus, not that much time has 101 00:04:40.379 --> 00:04:42.600 actually elapsed, but they're accelerating towards the ending. 102 00:04:42.660 --> 00:04:47.459 I think initially, it's an hour before they're going to be rescued 103 00:04:47.459 --> 00:04:49.500 and then a few minutes later, it's 50 minutes. 104 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:53.160 But it is still like an incredibly short amount of time. 105 00:04:53.220 --> 00:04:56.579 It's not the usual Doctor Who thing where things go for a day or 106 00:04:56.579 --> 00:04:59.699 we sleep for a night or, you know, something takes a long while to 107 00:04:59.699 --> 00:05:00.000 happen. 108 00:05:00.060 --> 00:05:02.160 It is just a very, very few hours. 109 00:05:02.220 --> 00:05:05.879 And so it's got a sort of real dramatic unity to it. 110 00:05:06.300 --> 00:05:12.060 Um, scene nine, which is the bulk of the episode. ran for 44 111 00:05:12.060 --> 00:05:12.600 pages. 112 00:05:12.660 --> 00:05:13.800 Wow. 113 00:05:13.860 --> 00:05:18.839 And so they, for recording, they split it up into 9A, 9B, et 114 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:23.339 cetera, right through to 9K. And unusually for modern television 115 00:05:23.339 --> 00:05:27.300 they actually had a full day's rehearsal, just the actors in a 116 00:05:27.300 --> 00:05:31.620 hall, old school style because Alice Trout and the director and 117 00:05:31.620 --> 00:05:35.399 Russell T. Davies went, because this is such an intimate setting 118 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:37.379 we actually want these actors to get to know each other a bit. 119 00:05:37.740 --> 00:05:42.120 That's the thing that hits you in this episode is that the 120 00:05:42.120 --> 00:05:44.759 characters have got to know each other. 121 00:05:44.819 --> 00:05:49.680 Before the midnight creature gets into the bus, you know, there's 122 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:53.459 that kind of montage of them, you know, becoming friendly after 123 00:05:53.459 --> 00:05:55.800 the doctors like destroyed the entertainment system. 124 00:05:55.860 --> 00:05:56.879 They have to talk to each other. 125 00:05:56.939 --> 00:06:01.560 They bond and then it, when it starts to turn, it's just so 126 00:06:01.560 --> 00:06:04.560 shocking because you've got to know these characters in the last 127 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:07.800 sort of 10, 15 minutes and, well, it's probably actually less than 128 00:06:07.800 --> 00:06:08.399 that. 129 00:06:08.699 --> 00:06:12.899 And, and when they start to turn on each other and then they turn 130 00:06:12.899 --> 00:06:16.139 on her and then they turn on the doctor, it is just gut 131 00:06:16.139 --> 00:06:16.680 wrenching. 132 00:06:16.740 --> 00:06:19.860 Do you think, though, I actually think that there's a good reason 133 00:06:19.860 --> 00:06:24.600 to believe that the characters are a problem even before things 134 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:25.620 start to go wrong. 135 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:30.060 And let's talk about the characters because there's only a small 136 00:06:30.060 --> 00:06:31.019 number of them. 137 00:06:31.019 --> 00:06:32.639 And they're really well drawn. 138 00:06:32.699 --> 00:06:35.939 This is a Russell script and so he's able to really kind of create 139 00:06:35.939 --> 00:06:39.420 characters with just a few lines of dialogue. 140 00:06:39.480 --> 00:06:42.839 You know, initially, I'm a little bit irritated by David Tennant 141 00:06:42.839 --> 00:06:45.000 destroying the horrible entertainment system. 142 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:49.019 Because, I mean, it is horrible and it's a joke, but it's a sort 143 00:06:49.019 --> 00:06:52.019 of boomerish, you know, everyone's got their heads stuck in their 144 00:06:52.019 --> 00:06:55.379 phones, you know, shouldn't we just talk to one another? 145 00:06:55.439 --> 00:06:57.480 And, you know, no one wants to do that. 146 00:06:57.540 --> 00:07:03.839 You know, and the interesting thing is the doctor's faith in 147 00:07:03.839 --> 00:07:08.519 humanity is what makes him think that talking to one another is 148 00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:10.199 going to be the right thing to do. 149 00:07:10.259 --> 00:07:15.420 And it kind of looks like it's working, but we've already seen, you 150 00:07:15.420 --> 00:07:20.220 know, there's a little bit of sort of tension between Jethro and 151 00:07:20.220 --> 00:07:23.879 Mr. and Mrs. Kane, you know, about who's paying for it. 152 00:07:23.939 --> 00:07:25.740 Jethro doesn't want to sit next to them. 153 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:30.779 They're kind of disappointed when the entertainment system goes 154 00:07:30.779 --> 00:07:34.620 down. everyone is getting ready to spend the trip in their own 155 00:07:34.620 --> 00:07:40.259 world, you know, Professor Hobbs and DD are going to have earplugs 156 00:07:40.259 --> 00:07:40.860 in. 157 00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:45.060 You know, they're all being given individual juice boxes and stuff 158 00:07:45.060 --> 00:07:45.420 like that. 159 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:48.959 The whole thing is set up for them to travel without interacting 160 00:07:48.959 --> 00:07:49.860 with one another. 161 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:54.720 And then in that bit where the doctor goes from person to person. 162 00:07:54.779 --> 00:07:58.500 You know, I think their flaws start to be revealed a bit. 163 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:02.939 The big floor that I think is sort of writ large at the beginning 164 00:08:02.939 --> 00:08:08.939 is where Professor Hobbs is just nattering away and DD says 165 00:08:08.939 --> 00:08:09.839 earplugs, please. 166 00:08:12.360 --> 00:08:15.779 I really don't want to listen to him talk about the miners on 167 00:08:15.779 --> 00:08:16.439 Peladon. 168 00:08:16.500 --> 00:08:18.060 Thank you. 169 00:08:18.060 --> 00:08:18.420 Thank you. 170 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:21.060 When he was dressing in royal drag. 171 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:23.639 That's right. 172 00:08:23.699 --> 00:08:26.220 Of course, this is David Trouton. 173 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:27.779 Television's David Trouton. 174 00:08:27.839 --> 00:08:29.459 I'm not even a real princess. 175 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:30.899 Don't worry, I am dead. 176 00:08:32.460 --> 00:08:36.000 I was thinking, though, like, it's not just the human characters 177 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:37.980 whose, you see their flaws. 178 00:08:38.039 --> 00:08:41.639 You also see the doctor's egotism is his because absolutely. 179 00:08:41.700 --> 00:08:45.419 And I think that everyone, every single character you got to see 180 00:08:45.419 --> 00:08:46.919 the worst of them, I really like that part of it. 181 00:08:46.980 --> 00:08:48.360 Yeah, yeah. 182 00:08:48.419 --> 00:08:51.299 Even the kind of arrogance of him deciding to just sort of take 183 00:08:51.299 --> 00:08:55.259 over the bus make everyone talk to one another and then sort of 184 00:08:55.259 --> 00:08:57.539 you know, go round from person to person. 185 00:08:57.659 --> 00:09:01.200 That scene where Biff and Val are telling that really, really 186 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:05.279 terrible anecdote about the abstract pool and they're laughing 187 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:08.460 uproariously at things that aren't funny and clearly Val has heard 188 00:09:08.460 --> 00:09:10.139 it 100s and 100s of times before. 189 00:09:10.200 --> 00:09:12.059 Jethro's rolling his eyes. 190 00:09:12.120 --> 00:09:17.220 Like it's so sort of fat Chino's dad jokey. 191 00:09:17.279 --> 00:09:19.139 You know, it's it's appalling. 192 00:09:19.200 --> 00:09:21.539 Like you're primed to kind of dislike those people. 193 00:09:21.600 --> 00:09:25.679 And it turns out the reason that you dislike them is exactly, you 194 00:09:25.679 --> 00:09:27.539 know, the character that they end up showing. 195 00:09:27.779 --> 00:09:32.039 The thing is, that anecdote actually really makes me like them. 196 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:36.840 Because he, because he's not laughing at how silly the idea of an 197 00:09:36.840 --> 00:09:37.799 abstract pool is. 198 00:09:37.860 --> 00:09:40.259 He's laughing at himself that he actually thought the pool was 199 00:09:40.259 --> 00:09:40.440 real. 200 00:09:40.500 --> 00:09:44.399 Yeah, I just, I think the shamboni stuff's a bit racist, Brendan 201 00:09:44.399 --> 00:09:44.580 actually. 202 00:09:44.639 --> 00:09:46.440 Yeah, I suppose. yeah, yeah. 203 00:09:46.500 --> 00:09:49.200 Yeah, with the lobes. 204 00:09:49.379 --> 00:09:52.799 Mind you, you know, we have we have just had tenant being 205 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:55.019 incredibly racist to Banacafalata. 206 00:09:55.080 --> 00:09:56.159 Yeah, yeah, that's true. 207 00:09:56.220 --> 00:09:57.840 Banana coffee latte. 208 00:09:57.899 --> 00:09:58.320 Yes. 209 00:09:58.379 --> 00:09:59.820 Oh, God, now I'm doing it. 210 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:12.720 I was madly in love with Jethro when I watched it on 1st broadcast 211 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:15.539 because, oh, how old I've been? 212 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:18.120 Maybe like 16, maybe 17? 213 00:10:18.179 --> 00:10:21.240 And I loved my 2008 emo boy. 214 00:10:21.299 --> 00:10:23.220 That was definitely my dream, man. 215 00:10:23.700 --> 00:10:26.279 He becomes huge, of course. 216 00:10:26.340 --> 00:10:29.519 He'll go on to be Merlin kind very, very soon after this. 217 00:10:29.580 --> 00:10:31.259 And he is really great. 218 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:36.899 And there's a sense too, in which the narrative sympathises with 219 00:10:36.899 --> 00:10:37.679 him a lot. 220 00:10:37.740 --> 00:10:39.240 Like the doctor looks to him. 221 00:10:39.299 --> 00:10:43.379 You know, there's a sense in which the doctor and his parents are 222 00:10:43.379 --> 00:10:47.399 fighting over him to see who they approve of. 223 00:10:47.519 --> 00:10:51.360 And the doctor's genuinely disappointed when Jethro kind of loses 224 00:10:51.360 --> 00:10:53.100 his bottle and joins in with them. 225 00:10:53.220 --> 00:10:57.059 Yeah, it strikes me that the only people the doctor is really 226 00:10:57.059 --> 00:11:02.159 disappointed in are Jethro, of course, and DD. 227 00:11:02.220 --> 00:11:04.980 Yeah, he's disappointed that he can't win the children over 228 00:11:04.980 --> 00:11:07.500 because that's the thing. 229 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:11.220 You know things have gone south when the doctor can't appeal to 230 00:11:11.220 --> 00:11:12.059 children. 231 00:11:12.120 --> 00:11:15.000 It seems to be, it seems to be what that is saying to me anyway. 232 00:11:15.059 --> 00:11:18.840 You know, he doesn't really expect to appeal to the adults. 233 00:11:18.899 --> 00:11:21.000 It is really belittling of them and whatnot. 234 00:11:21.059 --> 00:11:24.779 But he's never really belittling towards DD and Jethro. 235 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:26.639 Like even when he's saying, okay, Jethro, shut up. 236 00:11:26.700 --> 00:11:30.600 It's more, no, no, Jethro not helping rather than Jethro, you 237 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:31.200 stupid idiot. 238 00:11:31.259 --> 00:11:31.620 Yeah. 239 00:11:31.620 --> 00:11:31.980 Yeah. 240 00:11:32.039 --> 00:11:36.179 So the one character that we haven't mentioned is Sky Sylvestri 241 00:11:36.179 --> 00:11:39.899 who is played by Leslie Sharp, who Russell had worked with before 242 00:11:39.899 --> 00:11:44.159 because she plays Judith in the Second Coming. 243 00:11:44.220 --> 00:11:47.700 And so the 2nd coming, she's the kind of female lead in the 2nd 244 00:11:47.700 --> 00:11:51.659 coming, and the 2nd coming is, you know, the story of her kind of 245 00:11:51.659 --> 00:11:56.879 dealing with the arrival of the 2nd coming of Christ in the form 246 00:11:56.879 --> 00:11:58.200 of Christopher Eccleston. 247 00:11:58.320 --> 00:11:59.700 And she plays a massive role. 248 00:11:59.759 --> 00:12:02.940 She's the kind of main character, the person who actually ends up 249 00:12:02.940 --> 00:12:04.620 being the one telling the story. 250 00:12:04.679 --> 00:12:07.139 And she's clearly an incredible actor. 251 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:11.399 And so he's been waiting, I think, to give her something as 252 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:12.480 amazing as this. 253 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:18.120 Sky's an outsider, sort of straight away, isn't she? 254 00:12:18.179 --> 00:12:19.379 She's a lesbian. 255 00:12:19.440 --> 00:12:20.940 Well, yeah, so she's queer. 256 00:12:21.000 --> 00:12:22.679 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 257 00:12:22.740 --> 00:12:27.240 So she's a lesbian, but she's also isolated, you know, and there's 258 00:12:27.240 --> 00:12:30.600 a kind of heterosexuality to the other 2 pairings of people. 259 00:12:30.659 --> 00:12:33.360 You know, you've got DD and Professor Hobbs. 260 00:12:33.419 --> 00:12:36.659 We don't think they're on together, but it is a man and a woman in 261 00:12:36.659 --> 00:12:38.100 a sort of subordinate position. 262 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:42.059 And then you've got the middle class family on the other side 263 00:12:42.120 --> 00:12:43.500 she's on her own. 264 00:12:43.559 --> 00:12:46.679 And when the doctor talks to her, the others aren't kind of 265 00:12:46.679 --> 00:12:48.059 involved in that. 266 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:52.320 And she gets to explain that she is now on her own. 267 00:12:52.379 --> 00:12:55.860 Like her wife has left her and moved to a distant galaxy. 268 00:12:56.519 --> 00:12:58.320 I love that scene. 269 00:12:58.379 --> 00:12:59.159 Yeah. 270 00:12:59.220 --> 00:13:03.659 Yeah, because it's not, you know how, for a long time, queer 271 00:13:03.659 --> 00:13:07.980 characters in fiction are written either as comic relief or noble 272 00:13:07.980 --> 00:13:09.240 suffering AIDS victim. 273 00:13:09.299 --> 00:13:14.279 Not lesbian characters so much, but that's the only paradigm you 274 00:13:14.279 --> 00:13:14.639 could have. 275 00:13:14.700 --> 00:13:18.779 And even in the late 2000s, that's still quite a prevalent thing. 276 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:22.740 Look at most career representation, television apart from things 277 00:13:22.740 --> 00:13:24.059 written by Russell T. Davis. 278 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:31.679 And it's usually comic relief or somebody who's deeply sort of 279 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:34.860 damaged by a horrible thing that's happened to them. 280 00:13:34.919 --> 00:13:38.580 It's kind of refreshing to have her just be a normal person whose 281 00:13:38.580 --> 00:13:39.539 marriage has broken down. 282 00:13:39.720 --> 00:13:43.679 But I do think the reason that he makes her a lesbian isn't just 283 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:48.240 for representation, it is also to kind of put her on the outside. 284 00:13:48.299 --> 00:13:49.740 Yeah, to other. 285 00:13:49.799 --> 00:13:50.519 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 286 00:13:50.580 --> 00:13:52.440 So when the other characters gang up on her. 287 00:13:52.500 --> 00:13:53.460 Do you know what I mean? 288 00:13:53.519 --> 00:13:55.139 It has an added dimension. 289 00:13:55.200 --> 00:13:55.860 Yeah, exactly. 290 00:13:55.980 --> 00:13:56.580 Exactly. 291 00:13:56.700 --> 00:14:01.379 And plus I love that line about it being both beef and chicken. 292 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:04.379 That's so fantastic Bebop calf. 293 00:14:04.379 --> 00:14:07.080 Sorry. 294 00:14:11.580 --> 00:14:15.299 There's a lovely little bonding moment between them when he 295 00:14:15.299 --> 00:14:20.340 destroys the sound system because she looks over and she notices 296 00:14:20.340 --> 00:14:24.000 the Sonic screwdriver and notices everything switch off and then 297 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:26.340 she just looks at him and smiles and gets back to her book and 298 00:14:26.340 --> 00:14:28.320 she's got like a proper dead tree book. 299 00:14:28.379 --> 00:14:29.100 Yeah. 300 00:14:29.100 --> 00:14:32.639 Whereas everyone else is gonna, you know, watch Betty Boop and 301 00:14:32.639 --> 00:14:33.779 things like that. 302 00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:37.080 That's not believable, books are dead already now. 303 00:14:37.139 --> 00:14:39.539 This is 1000s of years in the past. 304 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:41.220 Dead media, like Blu-ray. 305 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:46.379 I'm literally looking at Nathan's Doctor Who, the collection Blu 306 00:14:45.899 --> 00:14:48.240 ray box sets on the shelf. 307 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:50.940 Well, they're pretty except for the 3 Australian ones with the 308 00:14:50.940 --> 00:14:52.139 giant ratings advancement. 309 00:14:52.200 --> 00:14:53.220 I haven't opened them. 310 00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:54.600 No, I'm sure they're great. 311 00:14:54.659 --> 00:14:56.580 Your box is pristine. 312 00:14:57.960 --> 00:15:00.659 And so your Blu-ray collections. 313 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:01.500 Sorry. 314 00:15:01.559 --> 00:15:07.559 So when they turn on the doctor, Val says what, like an 315 00:15:07.559 --> 00:15:08.220 immigrant? 316 00:15:09.779 --> 00:15:13.980 You know, he says, oh, I'm just a traveller and she says, what 317 00:15:13.980 --> 00:15:14.580 like an immigrant? 318 00:15:14.639 --> 00:15:19.679 Let's, before we get on to what happens when the whole thing 319 00:15:19.679 --> 00:15:23.159 breaks down and the characters are at each other's throats, let's 320 00:15:23.159 --> 00:15:25.980 talk a little bit about the monster and the way that the monster 321 00:15:25.980 --> 00:15:26.700 is presented. 322 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:31.679 Like, I think that the monster is so smart because, like, your 1st 323 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:34.860 rule of, like, you watch a lot of Doctor Who episodes and everyone 324 00:15:34.860 --> 00:15:37.799 laughs at the cheap monster, and this was where they're never 325 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:38.340 going to show it. 326 00:15:38.399 --> 00:15:42.779 So there was, you cut out that believability, the unbelievable 327 00:15:42.779 --> 00:15:43.440 factor of it. 328 00:15:43.500 --> 00:15:46.440 Whereas, like, I feel like midnight's one of those episodes you 329 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:48.299 could sit down with your family and you're not going to be 330 00:15:48.299 --> 00:15:49.019 embarrassed by it. 331 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:56.639 It, I mean, because its ambitions kind of aren't, it doesn't sort 332 00:15:56.639 --> 00:16:00.059 of strive to wow you with the special effect sequences. 333 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:02.399 I think it does have some nice special effect sequences, which 334 00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:07.860 look a bit dated now, but basically what it's doing is, you know 335 00:16:07.860 --> 00:16:12.059 music, acting, script actors, you know. 336 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:13.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 337 00:16:13.139 --> 00:16:17.340 Psychological suspense, thriller, audio play with visuals. 338 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:22.799 Yeah, and so the banging on the outside is genuinely properly 339 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:27.240 terrifying, and it's made that, I think, because the rules of 340 00:16:27.240 --> 00:16:30.419 midnight have been established, you know, that it's not just that 341 00:16:30.419 --> 00:16:31.440 there's no air out there. 342 00:16:31.500 --> 00:16:33.539 It's that the sunlight is deadly. 343 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:35.759 And so nothing can possibly be outside. 344 00:16:35.820 --> 00:16:40.200 And so Professor Hobbs's role for the whole sort of 1st part of it 345 00:16:40.200 --> 00:16:45.240 is to reinforce those rules so that we know because it's a made-up 346 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:45.600 world. 347 00:16:45.659 --> 00:16:46.919 You know, the rules could be anything. 348 00:16:46.980 --> 00:16:49.919 But because you've got a professor in a cardigan telling you what 349 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:50.460 the rules are. 350 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:53.820 So when they're broken. 351 00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:55.259 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. 352 00:16:55.379 --> 00:16:55.860 That's right. 353 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:59.279 And he continues to believe that there's nothing outside, even 354 00:16:59.279 --> 00:17:03.899 once the monster rips the cabin off the bus, he's still protesting 355 00:17:03.899 --> 00:17:05.819 that this can't possibly be happening. 356 00:17:05.880 --> 00:17:08.039 There can't possibly be anything outside. 357 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:10.500 Yeah, yeah. 358 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:14.819 I was watching this, thinking in sort of trout in terms, he's the 359 00:17:14.819 --> 00:17:16.440 intransigent base commander. 360 00:17:16.859 --> 00:17:20.339 He's the intransigent bus. 361 00:17:20.339 --> 00:17:24.779 Oh, I couldn't help myself. 362 00:17:24.839 --> 00:17:25.440 That was fair. 363 00:17:25.500 --> 00:17:27.779 That was worth the pain. 364 00:17:28.859 --> 00:17:34.259 But yeah, he's the he's like the guy in the wheel in space saying 365 00:17:34.259 --> 00:17:37.920 I don't like mysteries, so nothing strange is happening, Gemma. 366 00:17:37.980 --> 00:17:39.359 You know? 367 00:17:39.420 --> 00:17:41.160 That that that's his role. 368 00:17:41.220 --> 00:17:44.940 And kind of DD is the voice of reason kind of saying, okay, it's 369 00:17:44.940 --> 00:17:46.619 impossible, but it is happening. 370 00:17:46.680 --> 00:17:49.920 So let's actually talk about what's in front of us rather than 371 00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:52.200 just going, oh no, that can't possibly happen. 372 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:57.000 So there is that thing too, where, and I think this is Santa for 373 00:17:57.000 --> 00:17:58.799 who says this, that even... 374 00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:02.579 Take a drink, listener. that in a trout and kind of base under 375 00:18:02.579 --> 00:18:03.720 siege story. 376 00:18:03.779 --> 00:18:08.460 People's characters really consist in how competent they are and 377 00:18:08.460 --> 00:18:10.920 what they think of the external threat. 378 00:18:10.980 --> 00:18:15.599 And the reason that this is better than those base under siege 379 00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:21.359 stories is that the characters are more interesting and that we 380 00:18:21.359 --> 00:18:25.980 have something to say about, you know, kind of like about human 381 00:18:25.980 --> 00:18:26.339 nature. 382 00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:30.720 This has a really, really ambitious message, I think, this story. 383 00:18:30.779 --> 00:18:34.619 And we will get to it when we talk about the way that they turn on 384 00:18:34.619 --> 00:18:35.759 each other a little bit later. 385 00:18:36.420 --> 00:18:39.059 It's a bit like Brexit, really. 386 00:18:39.119 --> 00:18:40.920 Everything's like Brexit. 387 00:18:40.980 --> 00:18:42.359 What don't I get a vote? 388 00:18:42.359 --> 00:18:43.140 says Jethro. 389 00:18:43.200 --> 00:18:44.579 A17. 390 00:18:45.779 --> 00:18:47.759 No, you don't. 391 00:18:47.819 --> 00:18:51.720 And that's why you're going to be in poverty. 392 00:18:52.500 --> 00:18:55.799 I mean, something I found just visually interesting. 393 00:18:55.859 --> 00:19:00.180 Now, obviously for production reasons, the Space Bus isn't full 394 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:04.980 you know, because we can't have that many characters, unless 395 00:19:04.980 --> 00:19:10.079 you're orphan 55, But it's kind of like this is, you know, this is 396 00:19:10.079 --> 00:19:12.420 one of the leisure planets, but there's no one else at the pool 397 00:19:12.420 --> 00:19:13.140 with Donna. 398 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:20.099 There's only what, three, five, six, 7 passengers aboard this 399 00:19:20.099 --> 00:19:24.839 space bus, I think, has seats for about 15, 16? 400 00:19:24.900 --> 00:19:25.380 Yeah. 401 00:19:25.380 --> 00:19:25.920 You know. 402 00:19:25.980 --> 00:19:30.180 So there's there's already the impression that this is even even 403 00:19:30.180 --> 00:19:34.200 for the fantastic far off future with 15 plate glass and X tonic 404 00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:35.160 sunlight. 405 00:19:35.220 --> 00:19:37.859 This is a slightly rundown holiday camp. 406 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:41.579 And I like that because that's a very British traditional thing as 407 00:19:41.579 --> 00:19:42.299 well, you know. 408 00:19:42.359 --> 00:19:43.799 The macro terror. 409 00:19:44.039 --> 00:19:47.880 But yes, it's it's we're all happy here. 410 00:19:47.940 --> 00:19:49.740 Everything's fine here. 411 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:52.079 You know, we're just going to sit here and we're going to watch 412 00:19:52.079 --> 00:19:53.940 our cartoons or we're going to laze by the pool. 413 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:57.299 Nothing bad happens on this planet where, oh by the way, if a 414 00:19:57.299 --> 00:19:59.880 window breaks, you're going to be turned to dust in 6 seconds. 415 00:19:59.940 --> 00:20:02.400 The windows are 15 metres thick, though. 416 00:20:02.700 --> 00:20:06.359 Well, just get Peter Capaldi to punch it all over time. 417 00:20:08.819 --> 00:20:11.039 So what happens? 418 00:20:11.099 --> 00:20:12.900 We see a movement. 419 00:20:12.960 --> 00:20:18.779 So the bus stops and we meet Claude and Driver Joe. Oh, he's very 420 00:20:18.779 --> 00:20:19.200 sweet. 421 00:20:19.259 --> 00:20:22.200 He is very sweet. did like him at the time. 422 00:20:22.259 --> 00:20:24.779 Joe's very pretty in his own way as well. 423 00:20:24.839 --> 00:20:26.460 Yeah, well, yeah, we all are. 424 00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:28.500 But even you did. 425 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:32.759 And so we just see something move outside. 426 00:20:32.819 --> 00:20:34.019 It's heading towards the bus. 427 00:20:34.079 --> 00:20:37.920 It seems to be going outside, sort of knocking on all of the kind 428 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:38.880 of bus surfaces. 429 00:20:38.940 --> 00:20:40.440 It reminds me of. 430 00:20:40.500 --> 00:20:40.859 What? 431 00:20:40.980 --> 00:20:42.539 The twilight zone. 432 00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:45.480 Oh, um, a terror at 50,000 feet. 433 00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:48.299 Like the thing kind of pulling on the outside of the bus. 434 00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:50.519 And it is able to kind of rip the front off. 435 00:20:50.579 --> 00:20:53.940 So, and there's talk later that it's not, it doesn't have a body 436 00:20:53.940 --> 00:20:55.079 or something like that. 437 00:20:55.140 --> 00:20:57.960 Like, it's it's so brilliantly ill-defined. 438 00:20:58.019 --> 00:21:03.420 And it really just does what the story needs it to do. 439 00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:06.480 So we talked about the Weeping Angels and I said, they do what 440 00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:09.480 they do so that the story blink works. 441 00:21:09.900 --> 00:21:14.160 Here, the monster has to be a mystery because it doesn't really 442 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:18.359 work in any kind of sort of proper sense of, you know, writing a 443 00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:22.319 TARDIS WIKEA entry on its various abilities or something. 444 00:21:22.440 --> 00:21:26.460 But it is amazingly amazingly effective. 445 00:21:26.579 --> 00:21:29.160 Imagine the top trumps for that. 446 00:21:29.279 --> 00:21:34.140 I mean, I just wanted the action figure pack of, you know, listen 447 00:21:34.140 --> 00:21:36.720 creature, Midnight Monster, and crafeus. 448 00:21:37.500 --> 00:21:41.579 Wow, that would be cheap to produce. refuse this. 449 00:21:42.660 --> 00:21:46.619 The thing is like, what does it do when it's not doing the plot? 450 00:21:46.799 --> 00:21:49.140 Like what's its everyday life? 451 00:21:49.140 --> 00:21:54.059 It gets up, goes to the shops, you know, it's a member of the... 452 00:21:54.119 --> 00:21:55.680 Yeah, yeah. a member of the tennis club. 453 00:21:55.740 --> 00:21:56.640 That sort of thing. 454 00:21:56.700 --> 00:21:57.539 Like, that's exactly it. 455 00:21:57.599 --> 00:21:59.640 It doesn't exist outside the confines of the story. 456 00:21:59.700 --> 00:22:01.319 If the ball is your soul. 457 00:22:03.660 --> 00:22:08.940 In a way, that ill-definedness is what makes it so scary. 458 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:11.940 It's like Freddy Krueger. 459 00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:15.539 There's no rules to Freddy Krueger, except the one rule they have 460 00:22:15.539 --> 00:22:18.720 to come up with to end each movie, but not in such a way that he 461 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:19.920 is permanently destroyed. 462 00:22:20.099 --> 00:22:22.920 So it's kind of like at the end of this story. 463 00:22:22.980 --> 00:22:25.680 The doctor speculates that whatever it is is still out there 464 00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:31.380 because, of course, the sky's body may be destroyed when it goes 465 00:22:31.380 --> 00:22:31.980 outside. 466 00:22:32.039 --> 00:22:34.259 But that doesn't mean the creature is destroyed. 467 00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:37.440 And so the doctor's like, I'm going to get this whole thing taken 468 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:38.339 off this planet. 469 00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:40.079 But I do wonder with that ending. 470 00:22:40.140 --> 00:22:44.039 It's like, you couldn't convince 5 people in a bus that you knew 471 00:22:44.039 --> 00:22:44.880 what you were talking about. 472 00:22:44.940 --> 00:22:47.819 Do you really think you're going to basically convince the mayor 473 00:22:47.819 --> 00:22:51.180 from Jaws to take this place off? 474 00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:54.240 You know, and we've seen it in Orphan 55. 475 00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:57.000 And I pay out on Orphan 55, but one concept, I think it gets 476 00:22:57.000 --> 00:23:00.240 brilliantly, is that this is an incredibly dangerous place, but 477 00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:02.819 that means it's cheap and you can run a holiday business here. 478 00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:06.299 So why would you move unless you were being devoured alive? 479 00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:06.960 Yeah. 480 00:23:07.019 --> 00:23:08.940 Both the remnants of humanity. 481 00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:13.259 But in a sense, though, you know, one of the powers, one of the 482 00:23:13.259 --> 00:23:19.079 doctor's superpowers is his knowledge of aliens, you know, like 483 00:23:19.079 --> 00:23:22.019 he'll very frequently, even in a story where we're meeting someone 484 00:23:22.019 --> 00:23:24.839 for the 1st time, the doctor will know who they are. 485 00:23:24.839 --> 00:23:27.299 Here, that's taken away from him. 486 00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:30.900 He has no idea, no more idea of what's going on than anyone else. 487 00:23:31.200 --> 00:23:34.740 It's like you were saying earlier, Josh, with his arrogance. 488 00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:37.500 Usually that is tempered by the companion. 489 00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:41.700 There's that big bit where he just basically says, you lot need me 490 00:23:41.700 --> 00:23:44.039 and you can just hear in the back of your head. 491 00:23:44.099 --> 00:23:46.859 Donna then stepping forward and saying, he's right, he saved my 492 00:23:46.859 --> 00:23:47.759 life so many times. 493 00:23:47.819 --> 00:23:48.900 Why don't you listen to him? 494 00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:51.480 Or taking him down a peg and making him look like an idiot. 495 00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:53.460 Yeah, yeah, it's like... 496 00:23:53.519 --> 00:23:55.440 Okay, scaring people now time, Lord. 497 00:23:55.500 --> 00:23:59.519 But there's that moment where, like, he's like, oh, oh, what makes 498 00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:02.339 you, you know, like, you're the boss of all of us, basically? 499 00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:05.819 And he goes, because I'm clever and he goes, oh, I've gone too 500 00:24:05.819 --> 00:24:06.000 far. 501 00:24:06.059 --> 00:24:06.720 Yes. 502 00:24:06.720 --> 00:24:09.180 And he's like, look on his face like, oh, I've lost them. 503 00:24:09.240 --> 00:24:12.420 I just, you know, they're going to turn, they've turned, turning 504 00:24:12.420 --> 00:24:14.700 on me and now I've just gone too far. 505 00:24:14.819 --> 00:24:15.480 Yeah. 506 00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:18.420 Well, the problem is he hasn't proved that he's clever because he 507 00:24:18.420 --> 00:24:19.920 doesn't understand what's going on as well. 508 00:24:19.980 --> 00:24:21.599 He's as clueless as everyone else. 509 00:24:21.660 --> 00:24:25.259 So he can say he's clever and his egotism can do that, but you 510 00:24:25.259 --> 00:24:25.980 need to prove it. 511 00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:28.200 Yeah, and that whole outsider thing. 512 00:24:28.380 --> 00:24:33.720 He and Sky Sylvestri are the only 2 people on the bus without 513 00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:35.039 anyone to vouch for them. 514 00:24:35.099 --> 00:24:37.259 You know, the family can vouch for each other. 515 00:24:37.380 --> 00:24:43.079 The professor greatly underestimates DD, but in a way, that is 516 00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:47.460 like her validation to the others, because the Kane parents, you 517 00:24:47.460 --> 00:24:50.579 know, would obviously look down on DD, because of her age and 518 00:24:50.579 --> 00:24:54.240 defer to the professor because he's older and he's the expert. 519 00:24:54.299 --> 00:24:56.940 I think it's actually Biff who says, let's listen to the professor 520 00:24:56.940 --> 00:24:57.779 he's the expert. 521 00:24:57.839 --> 00:24:59.220 Yeah. 522 00:24:59.220 --> 00:24:59.759 Yeah. 523 00:24:59.819 --> 00:25:02.519 So it's an appeal to authority rather than an appeal to reason. 524 00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:09.180 And in fact, the outsider status of the doctor and Sky are used 525 00:25:09.180 --> 00:25:14.819 against them because the canes accuse them of conspiring, you 526 00:25:14.819 --> 00:25:15.059 know. 527 00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:20.099 And so the thing about this scene where they start tearing one 528 00:25:20.099 --> 00:25:22.980 another apart and the doctor is kind of yelling at them. 529 00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:29.039 The particular human evil here isn't just fear, but a particular 530 00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:30.960 type of reaction to fear. 531 00:25:31.259 --> 00:25:34.680 And I think it's embodied in the canes. 532 00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:36.299 I think they're the worst people on the bus. 533 00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:40.440 I mean, so you've got Mrs. Kane talking about immigrants. 534 00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:42.059 You've got Mr. Kane. 535 00:25:42.119 --> 00:25:46.619 You've got Biff, very sensitive to being called a coward and 536 00:25:46.619 --> 00:25:51.000 wanting to do violence in order to prove his masculinity, right? 537 00:25:51.059 --> 00:25:54.779 All of the stuff about, you know, when the doctor turns to them 538 00:25:54.779 --> 00:25:57.539 and says, could you murder someone? 539 00:25:57.599 --> 00:26:00.480 Could you push sky off the bus? 540 00:26:00.539 --> 00:26:06.119 He says, you know, he says that he could, because he sees that as 541 00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:07.559 a challenge to his masculinity. 542 00:26:07.619 --> 00:26:10.680 The doctor's saying, could you be so lacking in compassion? 543 00:26:10.740 --> 00:26:12.660 Could you bring yourself to murder someone? 544 00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:15.299 And he goes, yes, you know, I'm a man. 545 00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:16.140 I could do that. 546 00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:20.819 With like Jethro, because he was younger and he was a bit more 547 00:26:20.819 --> 00:26:21.420 sensitive. 548 00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:24.839 He was really reluctant to be violent, and everyone kind of 549 00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:27.359 convinced him to do so because he was like, well, this is what 550 00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:29.940 everyone, this is what society says you have to be masculine. 551 00:26:30.059 --> 00:26:32.160 So that's how I interpreted it as well. 552 00:26:32.220 --> 00:26:36.000 Yeah, no, he's definitely pressured into it. and they're his 553 00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:36.359 parents. 554 00:26:36.420 --> 00:26:37.619 You know, that's his dad. 555 00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:40.799 And they're definitely both pressuring him into behaving that 556 00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:41.339 way. 557 00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:44.160 And the doctor's disappointment in him is because he's given into 558 00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:44.460 that. 559 00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:47.759 You know, like he kind of knows better or doesn't want to do 560 00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:48.059 that. 561 00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:50.279 He's better than that, as the doctor would say. 562 00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:53.759 But he gives in under the strain. 563 00:26:53.819 --> 00:26:57.480 And as you were saying earlier, Josh. got that sort of goth 564 00:26:57.480 --> 00:27:00.539 aesthetic, and this is the 1st time I've noticed he actually has 565 00:27:00.539 --> 00:27:04.079 his fingernails painted, which... 566 00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:05.099 Oh, an eyeliner and stuff. 567 00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:06.240 An eyeliner, yeah. 568 00:27:06.299 --> 00:27:12.180 And even more so in 2008, that marks him out as not a 569 00:27:12.180 --> 00:27:15.900 stereotypical aspect of masculinity. 570 00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:20.460 And when Skye's behaviour changes throughout the possession 571 00:27:20.460 --> 00:27:23.819 process, he is the 1st to notice. 572 00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:29.160 He notices sky sitting at the end by herself, and then he notices 573 00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:32.279 that she is now synchronised. 574 00:27:32.339 --> 00:27:36.839 And then he notices that she has stopped repeating everyone else 575 00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:38.039 except the doctor. 576 00:27:38.099 --> 00:27:43.920 He is, you're right, Josh, entirely sensitive not only to others 577 00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:46.680 but to the situation and incredibly perceptive. 578 00:27:46.740 --> 00:27:51.420 So in a way, DD kind of has the smarts and the knowledge, she 579 00:27:51.420 --> 00:27:53.579 knows about the engines, she knows about the ship. 580 00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:58.799 She knows about myths and legends, about goblins, whereas Jethro 581 00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:04.319 is the more sensitive empathic person. and feeling and and he's 582 00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:08.519 coded because he's coat of femme and goth. 583 00:28:08.579 --> 00:28:10.019 He's coded as other. 584 00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:15.900 Even if it's, you know, unlike Sky's character who's not coded as 585 00:28:15.900 --> 00:28:20.579 queer, he's not coded as straight. 586 00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:25.259 Well, I mean, he's very quickly put into sort of conflict with his 587 00:28:25.259 --> 00:28:25.619 father. 588 00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:30.000 You know, he won't sit with them, but, you know, he's quite happy 589 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:33.660 for them to pay for his ticket, Biff says, you know, like, like 590 00:28:33.660 --> 00:28:36.900 he's taking that sort of masculine provider role. 591 00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:38.220 And what about Val? 592 00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:42.240 Like, maybe out of Biff, like, Biff is violent and, you know 593 00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:43.559 trying to be masculine. 594 00:28:43.619 --> 00:28:46.980 Valley's really, really quite horrible, I think. 595 00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:52.920 And she's the one who actually says that she saw the thing pass 596 00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:57.240 from Sky to the doctor and she repeats that several times and 597 00:28:57.240 --> 00:29:00.420 bullies Jethro into admitting it as well. 598 00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:04.380 And at the end when the situation's resolved, she says that she 599 00:29:04.380 --> 00:29:05.099 knew all along. 600 00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:06.839 Yeah, she's a coward. 601 00:29:06.900 --> 00:29:07.799 Yeah, yeah. 602 00:29:07.859 --> 00:29:12.900 But she, she will see what she needs to see in order to perform 603 00:29:12.900 --> 00:29:15.000 the violence that she wants perform. 604 00:29:15.059 --> 00:29:15.599 Yeah, yeah. 605 00:29:15.660 --> 00:29:17.819 Val wants to see a manager basically. 606 00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:18.839 Yeah, yeah. 607 00:29:18.900 --> 00:29:20.460 She should have been called Karen. 608 00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:22.200 Valley's short for Karen. 609 00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:40.799 Let's talk about maybe the most impressive being in the episode 610 00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:47.039 and that is the interplay between David Tennant and Leslie Sharp. 611 00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:50.220 It is just stunning. 612 00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:56.819 And this episode won several BAFTAs, scriptwriting, but also for 613 00:29:56.819 --> 00:29:57.900 sound and editing. 614 00:29:58.019 --> 00:29:58.920 Right. 615 00:29:58.980 --> 00:30:01.259 And this time around was the 1st time I've watched it with 616 00:30:01.259 --> 00:30:01.859 headphones. 617 00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:07.500 And as the camera moves around the room, the sound mix between 618 00:30:07.500 --> 00:30:12.720 Leslie Dunlop and whoever she's copying changes, it's so amazingly 619 00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:12.960 good. 620 00:30:13.019 --> 00:30:14.339 It is so incredible. 621 00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:18.480 But the thing is sometimes the camera will be next to like, um, the 622 00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:21.900 hostess, but you'll get Sky's audio in full. 623 00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:23.759 Yes, I noticed that. deliberate. 624 00:30:23.819 --> 00:30:26.700 It's deliberately offsetting and off-putting. 625 00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:30.660 One of Doctor Who's Great Triumphs is doing horror without doing 626 00:30:30.660 --> 00:30:31.680 blood and gore. 627 00:30:31.740 --> 00:30:32.339 Yeah. 628 00:30:32.339 --> 00:30:34.319 And this does that so well. 629 00:30:34.380 --> 00:30:36.960 Like I was watching this in a perfectly well lit room in the 630 00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:39.720 middle of the day and I had shivers up my spine. 631 00:30:40.259 --> 00:30:44.160 So before she starts saying the things at the same time as them. 632 00:30:44.220 --> 00:30:48.240 The thing that she's doing is the thing that your younger brother 633 00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:51.779 does to really irritate you, that kind of repeating thing. 634 00:30:52.500 --> 00:30:57.539 And it's clearly designed by Russell to be something that you can 635 00:30:57.539 --> 00:30:58.619 do in the playground. 636 00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:01.619 Do you all know how Russell pitched this episode to Phil 637 00:31:01.619 --> 00:31:02.220 Collinson? 638 00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:03.180 No. 639 00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:07.259 Well, Russell said, pretty much said to Phil Collinson, ask me a 640 00:31:07.259 --> 00:31:09.839 question, and Phil said, what did you have for lunch today? 641 00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:11.339 And Russell said, what did you have for lunch today? 642 00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:13.440 What are you doing? 643 00:31:13.500 --> 00:31:14.160 What are you doing? 644 00:31:14.220 --> 00:31:17.339 Oh, oh, thing is, right? 645 00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:19.380 So Phil gets it within 3 statements. 646 00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:24.420 Russell kept going for 10 minutes. before Phil finally said, okay 647 00:31:24.420 --> 00:31:24.720 I get it. 648 00:31:24.779 --> 00:31:25.559 This is terrifying. 649 00:31:26.460 --> 00:31:32.099 You know it took him 3 days to write the script. 650 00:31:32.220 --> 00:31:33.359 Yeah, yeah. 651 00:31:33.420 --> 00:31:38.700 It's a replacement for a script by Tom McRae. called Century House 652 00:31:38.700 --> 00:31:46.619 which was set on a reality TV, like haunted house show, like most 653 00:31:46.619 --> 00:31:47.279 haunted. 654 00:31:48.660 --> 00:31:54.539 And they had to drop it because it was too close to Unicorn the 655 00:31:54.539 --> 00:31:55.019 Wasp. 656 00:31:56.220 --> 00:32:00.059 And he had to write the script in 3 days. 657 00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:03.000 You know what the other inspirations were though? 658 00:32:03.059 --> 00:32:04.799 But he was writing this. 659 00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:06.180 Jeep as Creepers 2. 660 00:32:06.779 --> 00:32:08.400 Oh yeah. 661 00:32:08.460 --> 00:32:10.680 Actually, have seen it is good. 662 00:32:10.740 --> 00:32:13.920 It's about a bus that gets stuck and is preyed upon by a monster. 663 00:32:13.980 --> 00:32:19.259 And the other inspiration which Nathan will love is Dumok. 664 00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:21.420 Oh, yes, I think I had heard that. 665 00:32:21.539 --> 00:32:24.720 The Star Trek the Next Generation episode. 666 00:32:24.779 --> 00:32:28.859 But literally only the radio times listing. which I don't have to 667 00:32:28.859 --> 00:32:33.660 hand is something along the lines of the Enterprise must make 1st 668 00:32:33.660 --> 00:32:36.599 contact with an alien race whose language is unintelligible. 669 00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:39.420 And that was all Russell had to go on. 670 00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:40.559 He's like, I don't want to watch the episode. 671 00:32:40.619 --> 00:32:41.519 I don't want to be influenced. 672 00:32:41.579 --> 00:32:43.200 But this is where Russell takes that idea. 673 00:32:43.259 --> 00:32:44.220 Yeah, yeah. 674 00:32:44.220 --> 00:32:47.460 You know, Star Trek writers take it into the idea of, oh, you know 675 00:32:47.460 --> 00:32:51.180 they team up and kill a monster and there's peaceful contact 676 00:32:51.180 --> 00:32:52.500 between these 2 racers. 677 00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:57.720 Russell's like, I am going to tear apart a family. and destroy an 678 00:32:57.720 --> 00:32:58.200 academic. 679 00:32:58.259 --> 00:33:00.119 And you're going to like it. 680 00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:02.700 No, it's superb. great. 681 00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:04.079 That actually, you know what? 682 00:33:04.140 --> 00:33:08.579 I said earlier, this episode annoys Rod, when we watched Star Trek 683 00:33:08.579 --> 00:33:11.519 the Next Generation on Blu-ray, he refused to watch Darbok. 684 00:33:11.579 --> 00:33:13.440 He's like, I will never watch that again. 685 00:33:13.500 --> 00:33:16.680 I said, you watch the one which is the really racist planet of the 686 00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:18.599 black people and you won't watch this? 687 00:33:18.660 --> 00:33:19.740 No, no honour. 688 00:33:19.859 --> 00:33:21.180 Code of honour. 689 00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:22.559 You said, I can laugh at code of honour. 690 00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:25.200 But yeah, it's like, well, I'm a language geek, so I'm watching 691 00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:25.380 it. 692 00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:26.460 You said you're watching it on your own. 693 00:33:26.640 --> 00:33:31.440 Yeah, but it's just fascinating how 2 different writers can take 694 00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:32.460 the same idea. 695 00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:36.720 And especially Russell, who has that incredible side of darkness 696 00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:40.440 that we've seen in queer as folk and Doctor Who and cucumber and 697 00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:46.380 years and years, and, you know, writes about the optimism of the 698 00:33:46.380 --> 00:33:49.740 future of humanity and Doctor Who, not unfettered optimism, but 699 00:33:49.740 --> 00:33:52.920 optimism nonetheless. and gives us a story where basically there 700 00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:54.480 is no optimism for humanity. 701 00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:58.799 Do you think, like, I wonder whether it's because he's writing it 702 00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:03.480 in 3 days, and so it's unfiltered Russell, because Russell, despite 703 00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:07.019 we've said this before, but despite his big, giant, jolly 704 00:34:07.019 --> 00:34:09.960 performance where everything's marvellous and wonderful, like we 705 00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:14.099 saw him on all those Doctor Who confidentials, when you read the 706 00:34:14.099 --> 00:34:16.860 writer's tale, for instance, you can see that there's a real kind 707 00:34:16.860 --> 00:34:19.260 of bleak cynicism to his worldview. 708 00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:21.900 Yeah, he's bleak as F. Yeah, yeah. 709 00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:22.500 Yeah, yeah. 710 00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:23.519 Bleekers folk. 711 00:34:23.579 --> 00:34:25.739 Oh, bleak as folk. 712 00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:27.179 Very well, non-rendant. 713 00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:30.719 That's how queer as folk podcast. 714 00:34:30.780 --> 00:34:31.679 Bleak as folk. 715 00:34:31.739 --> 00:34:33.300 Now it's so bleak as folk. 716 00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:36.420 I mean, honestly, listener, if you decide to do a queers folk 717 00:34:36.420 --> 00:34:39.119 podcast, totally take that time when we are never going to get to 718 00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:39.239 it. 719 00:34:39.300 --> 00:34:41.039 And then we'll sue you. 720 00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:45.179 So that's absolutely here. 721 00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:49.559 The human the human race is kind of horrible. 722 00:34:49.619 --> 00:34:51.119 We're xenophobic. 723 00:34:51.179 --> 00:34:53.820 We defer to authority. 724 00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:57.539 There's all sorts of, you know, horrible issues with sort of toxic 725 00:34:57.539 --> 00:34:59.039 performative masculinity. 726 00:34:59.099 --> 00:35:01.679 We're easily frightened. 727 00:35:01.739 --> 00:35:04.619 We lash out when we're frightened, we form coalitions. 728 00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:06.539 All of those things that these people do. 729 00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:08.400 It's basically 2016. 730 00:35:08.579 --> 00:35:10.260 But it's now. 731 00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:11.820 I mean, but it was then then, you know. 732 00:35:11.820 --> 00:35:13.980 No, no, but it's... 733 00:35:13.980 --> 00:35:16.679 He is bleak, isn't he? 734 00:35:16.739 --> 00:35:21.539 And it's basically him going, humanity is a trash fire. 735 00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:22.980 Humanity is a trash fire. 736 00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:26.579 But there isn't even a moment of redemption. 737 00:35:26.639 --> 00:35:30.539 So one of my favourite scenes in the whole thing is where they've 738 00:35:30.539 --> 00:35:33.480 been through all of this and now they're stuck in the bus for the 739 00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:37.380 rest of the hour and they've got nothing to say to one another and 740 00:35:37.380 --> 00:35:40.860 Val does her little sort of self-justification thing and the 741 00:35:40.860 --> 00:35:43.079 doctor doesn't even dignify it with a response. 742 00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:46.139 Well, I was thinking about this story as well. 743 00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:49.199 Like, it could have been set in the 1800s on a train and it still 744 00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:52.440 would have been as relevant as it is in the far future because 745 00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:53.940 humanity is always the same. 746 00:35:53.940 --> 00:35:55.199 And I really love that. 747 00:35:55.260 --> 00:35:58.860 Yeah, well, I think I think that that's what it aspires to do. 748 00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:03.539 It does aspire to talk about humanity, not in a particular context 749 00:36:03.539 --> 00:36:05.880 but generally what we like. 750 00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:11.460 It's very interesting then that the final scene where Dr. and 751 00:36:11.460 --> 00:36:16.139 Donna are talking, you know, if this was, say, a pertly story, you 752 00:36:16.139 --> 00:36:19.619 would expect at the end for the brigadier to say, oh, you know 753 00:36:19.619 --> 00:36:22.019 well, the monster almost got your doctor and the doctor say, well 754 00:36:22.019 --> 00:36:24.420 no, actually, brigadier, it was humanity that almost got me, you 755 00:36:24.420 --> 00:36:24.659 know. 756 00:36:25.139 --> 00:36:30.000 But they leave that hanging for the audience to think about rather 757 00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:31.980 than tell us what we should think of that situation. 758 00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:37.559 It's quite obvious what Russell wants to present to us, but it's 759 00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:42.480 just like the situation on the bus itself, it's messy and kind of 760 00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:46.380 left as, okay, I've put this thing in the room, in the middle of 761 00:36:46.380 --> 00:36:49.739 the room, this is a piece of art, you react to it how you like. 762 00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:51.420 I'm not going to tell you what to think of this. 763 00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:57.300 And, you know, really, I think Chris Chibnall, or even Stephen 764 00:36:57.300 --> 00:37:00.420 Moffat would have had that last scene with the doctor and Donna 765 00:37:00.420 --> 00:37:04.079 and the doctor railing against humanity and how could, how could 766 00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:04.679 they have done this? 767 00:37:04.739 --> 00:37:06.780 That was a new creature, et cetera, et cetera. 768 00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:10.679 But instead, it's more personal and it's Donna expressing concern 769 00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:12.539 for what has happened to the doctor. 770 00:37:12.659 --> 00:37:16.860 I also think too that it riffs on a joke that's been done 3 times 771 00:37:16.860 --> 00:37:22.139 by this point in Doctor Who, including in the Infinite Quest, where 772 00:37:22.139 --> 00:37:27.599 the companion does an accent and the doctor goes, no, no, no, don't 773 00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:27.960 do that. 774 00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:32.880 I mean, we had that joke a few weeks ago also in Unicorn and the 775 00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:33.300 Wasp. 776 00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:38.340 And so here when Donna says Maltobaner, he does the no, no, no 777 00:37:38.340 --> 00:37:38.820 don't do that. 778 00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:43.199 And it's because, we said before, he's not equipped with any 779 00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:43.800 knowledge. 780 00:37:43.860 --> 00:37:46.500 So that's one superpower out of the way. 781 00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:49.920 But the other thing is that his speech not only doesn't work, but 782 00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:51.119 gets taken away from him. 783 00:37:51.539 --> 00:37:53.400 Yeah, absolutely. 784 00:37:53.460 --> 00:37:56.039 Like, the doctor's main weapon is words. 785 00:37:56.099 --> 00:37:58.860 You know, all Doctor Who showrunners are like, the doctor doesn't 786 00:37:58.860 --> 00:38:01.079 pick up a gun, he doesn't fire a bazooka at people. 787 00:38:01.139 --> 00:38:02.340 He doesn't open a candidate, people. 788 00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:05.340 His weapon is words, and the words are taken from him. 789 00:38:05.460 --> 00:38:08.940 First of all, they're taken from him because they have no power 790 00:38:08.940 --> 00:38:11.460 over these people who've never met him before. 791 00:38:11.519 --> 00:38:15.059 And there's no human with him to justify him. 792 00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:17.219 And then they're taken quite literally. 793 00:38:17.820 --> 00:38:23.280 So I think maybe for a Doctor Who fan watching the show, one of 794 00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:27.300 the most terrifying scenes is that incredibly directed scenes 795 00:38:27.300 --> 00:38:30.719 where Sky Silvestri is standing up, she's in the middle of the 796 00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:36.059 shot, her head is held high, and she's just playing those people 797 00:38:36.059 --> 00:38:40.980 you know, terrifying them about the monster that she says in 798 00:38:40.980 --> 00:38:45.960 habits, David Tennant's body, and he's just dragged along, fully 799 00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:47.820 conscious, but unable to speak. 800 00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:49.619 Like that seems to be the thing. 801 00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:52.920 He's not controlled or possessed or anything by her. 802 00:38:52.980 --> 00:38:57.900 He's just being made to repeat all of that sort of daily male fear 803 00:38:57.900 --> 00:39:00.480 mongering that Sky Sylvestri is saying. 804 00:39:00.900 --> 00:39:03.000 She's paralysed him. 805 00:39:03.059 --> 00:39:05.099 He's paralysed because like that's the whole thing. 806 00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:05.760 He can't move. 807 00:39:05.820 --> 00:39:09.539 So he's powerless and has no voice either. 808 00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:13.679 So, like, he's completely robbed of any agency. 809 00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:18.179 And then, you know, like, you can believe that this character is 810 00:39:18.179 --> 00:39:18.599 about to die. 811 00:39:18.659 --> 00:39:20.699 Like, he's not. 812 00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:21.360 It's Doctor Who. 813 00:39:21.420 --> 00:39:22.320 Of course, he's not going to die. 814 00:39:22.380 --> 00:39:24.539 Unless it's a season finale, it's about for a generator. 815 00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:30.000 But you can totally believe if you had never watched a show before 816 00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:34.019 if you had no idea about the main character, you could believe 817 00:39:34.019 --> 00:39:38.519 that this as a horror movie, that he is going to die and that's 818 00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:39.719 going to be the end of it. 819 00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:42.539 He's not the one who gets them out of it. 820 00:39:42.659 --> 00:39:46.800 No, no, it's, you know, it's kind of a throwback to Christopher 821 00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:49.320 Eccleston, where Christopher Eccleston would often inspire someone 822 00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:51.780 else to, who takes action. 823 00:39:51.780 --> 00:39:53.639 And so, does he even do that? 824 00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:57.119 Well, in a way, no, it's DD. 825 00:39:57.539 --> 00:40:05.219 Like it's DD's observed what's happening and the hostess, you know 826 00:40:05.219 --> 00:40:06.599 is convinced by that. 827 00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:09.900 And so it is DeeDee who fixes the problem. 828 00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:12.360 You know, Driver Joe's already called for rescue. 829 00:40:12.420 --> 00:40:14.639 There's no doubt that they'll be rescued. 830 00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:18.420 So it's the hostess and Didi that actually solved the problem and 831 00:40:18.420 --> 00:40:20.280 the doctor doesn't do anything. 832 00:40:20.340 --> 00:40:25.739 And they're clearly going to survive, and the only danger really 833 00:40:25.739 --> 00:40:29.519 is that they'll start killing one another, and the doctor looks 834 00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:31.380 like he's going to be the next victim. 835 00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:34.199 Like, I feel like there's a lot to say. 836 00:40:34.260 --> 00:40:37.079 Like, even with the final line being like the hostess, what's her 837 00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:37.320 name? 838 00:40:37.380 --> 00:40:38.519 That says a lot. 839 00:40:38.579 --> 00:40:42.480 And it says a lot about like, the whole thing is about like 840 00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:46.380 bigotry in every single way, classes and racism, the whole thing. 841 00:40:46.380 --> 00:40:50.760 And I think with the hostess saving the day and no one knowing her 842 00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:55.500 name said everything about humanity in that single moment. 843 00:40:56.579 --> 00:41:00.840 Remember, too, that the canes are constantly telling her that her 844 00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:02.519 job is to fix this. 845 00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:06.960 So in the context of that fight, that's just them putting her down 846 00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:09.360 and pulling rank on her with a customer. 847 00:41:09.420 --> 00:41:11.460 But it turns out it is her job to fix it. 848 00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:14.639 But also, Sky says that to us well. 849 00:41:14.699 --> 00:41:15.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 850 00:41:15.900 --> 00:41:17.519 It's your job to fix this. 851 00:41:17.579 --> 00:41:20.519 So it's kind of poetic that at the end of the story. 852 00:41:20.579 --> 00:41:23.639 It's that character, the character that's being treated like a 853 00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:24.360 piece of crap. 854 00:41:24.420 --> 00:41:29.219 For the entire episode, belittled, ignored, talked down to. 855 00:41:29.340 --> 00:41:32.280 She's the one that saves the day. 856 00:41:32.340 --> 00:41:35.400 She actually does her job. 857 00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:37.679 By rising up and killing a customer. 858 00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:43.320 Don't we all just want to? 859 00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:45.000 We all worked in retail, haven't we? 860 00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:50.880 The extraordinary thing I find about that scene is I was just 861 00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:56.460 looking at the staging of it and when the creature overtakes the 862 00:41:56.460 --> 00:42:00.179 doctor, it then asks the professor to help me up. 863 00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:04.079 And, you know, at the time, of course, I thought, oh, that's just 864 00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:07.559 you know, garnering sympathy, oh, look at me, I'm poor, I'm so 865 00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:08.099 helpless. 866 00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:10.619 You know, come and help me, please. 867 00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:14.579 But then I notice that when she gets into the middle of everyone. 868 00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:15.480 She hardly moves. 869 00:42:15.539 --> 00:42:16.320 She just talks. 870 00:42:16.380 --> 00:42:19.679 And I thought, 0 my God, she's gotten used to the speech. 871 00:42:19.739 --> 00:42:21.300 Now she's getting used to the body. 872 00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:22.320 Right. 873 00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:27.900 And her 1st independent movement is when the doctor's about to be 874 00:42:27.900 --> 00:42:32.039 thrown out, and she turns to face him and starts shouting, Malta 875 00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:32.820 Benet. 876 00:42:33.239 --> 00:42:36.119 And the great thing is, you then come to the doctor. 877 00:42:36.179 --> 00:42:39.420 Malta, Ben, Alonze. 878 00:42:39.539 --> 00:42:42.360 And in fact, it's that. 879 00:42:42.420 --> 00:42:45.179 There's that wonderful thing where he's trying to be jolly to the 880 00:42:45.179 --> 00:42:48.119 hostess and she is ignoring him. 881 00:42:48.179 --> 00:42:51.059 Like she isn't interested in any of his French. 882 00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:54.960 So when he tells her what animals he means, you know, she's 883 00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:58.139 absolutely not interested, she says something sort of hilariously 884 00:42:58.139 --> 00:43:02.460 dismissive, but it's her knowledge that that's the sort of thing 885 00:43:02.460 --> 00:43:06.780 that he would say that makes it clear to her that Sky has stolen 886 00:43:06.780 --> 00:43:07.380 his voice. 887 00:43:07.380 --> 00:43:11.340 Because everyone, everyone knows in this, in this future of people 888 00:43:11.340 --> 00:43:14.400 who want to chuck each other outside of space buses to be burned 889 00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:17.519 to death in 6 seconds, nobody could possibly speak French. 890 00:43:17.579 --> 00:43:17.940 No. 891 00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:20.639 Well, we know from Star Trek, the next generation that people 892 00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:22.380 French people in the future speak English. 893 00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:24.420 Yeah, except to their dogs, apparently. 894 00:43:25.500 --> 00:43:28.860 Well, we all know the doctor wouldn't be in the same train with 895 00:43:28.860 --> 00:43:29.639 someone who's French. 896 00:43:29.699 --> 00:43:31.980 We all saw twice upon a time he hates French people, apparently 897 00:43:31.980 --> 00:43:33.599 so... 898 00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:36.300 Why on? 899 00:43:36.300 --> 00:43:36.599 Yeah. 900 00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:40.800 Why on earth would you give that line to the doctor? 901 00:43:40.860 --> 00:43:44.880 When there is a British soldier from 1913 who probably thinks that 902 00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:46.019 standing right there? 903 00:43:46.139 --> 00:43:49.800 And not to mention the doctor's, the 1st doctor's favourite 904 00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:51.780 historical place is the French Revolution. 905 00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:52.619 Yes. 906 00:43:52.619 --> 00:43:55.559 But he didn't like their kitchen. 907 00:43:56.940 --> 00:43:59.159 He has to draw a line somewhere. 908 00:43:59.219 --> 00:44:00.840 Get me out of this place. 909 00:44:00.900 --> 00:44:01.739 It's full of restaurants. 910 00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:06.179 I don't think we're doing an episode on that because I don't think 911 00:44:06.179 --> 00:44:06.719 it ever happened. 912 00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:09.840 It didn't. 913 00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:10.260 No. 914 00:44:18.059 --> 00:44:21.539 We talked early about how the doctor turned all the technology off 915 00:44:21.539 --> 00:44:25.139 and forced everyone to talk, but I feel like David Tennant's 916 00:44:25.139 --> 00:44:25.380 doctor. 917 00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:29.039 The reason why the audience loved him so much was because that he 918 00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:33.239 would get along with anyone, despite who they were or anything. 919 00:44:33.300 --> 00:44:35.579 He would always start a conversation with everybody and he seemed 920 00:44:35.579 --> 00:44:37.260 like, oh, here's your bezy mate. 921 00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:40.559 Whereas, you know, someone like Peter Capoldi, who I love, a lot 922 00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:42.599 of people were like, oh, but he wouldn't even give me a hug. 923 00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:44.280 Why would I want to hang out with this guy? 924 00:44:44.340 --> 00:44:45.780 Do you know what I mean? 925 00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:47.340 Yeah, absolutely. 926 00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:50.579 I'm imagining now Peter Cabaldi shutting off that entertainment 927 00:44:50.579 --> 00:44:53.400 system and then when someone tries to start a conversation, no, I 928 00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:54.000 wanted silence. 929 00:44:54.059 --> 00:44:55.619 Thank you. 930 00:44:55.739 --> 00:44:57.239 But no, you're right. 931 00:44:57.300 --> 00:44:58.260 David Tennant. 932 00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:00.960 Yeah, he kind of does that for selfish reasons, but when he says 933 00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:03.840 no, I want to talk to you all, genuinely, I'm not here with 934 00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:04.199 Donna. 935 00:45:04.260 --> 00:45:04.980 New people. 936 00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:05.519 Hi. 937 00:45:05.579 --> 00:45:10.619 Yeah Who do you think is his favourite on the bus, Josh? 938 00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:16.079 Jethro, because he's my favourite, and you can't go wrong with a 939 00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:16.619 goth boy. 940 00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:17.159 What can I say? 941 00:45:17.219 --> 00:45:20.760 He's so pretty. quite quite right to it. 942 00:45:20.820 --> 00:45:21.480 I mean, that's the thing. 943 00:45:21.539 --> 00:45:24.300 I usually go for bigger and junkier, but there is something about 944 00:45:24.300 --> 00:45:24.539 him. 945 00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:25.500 There is. 946 00:45:25.500 --> 00:45:27.599 There is something about he's just such a good actor. 947 00:45:29.219 --> 00:45:31.139 Yes, that must be it. 948 00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:32.280 Must be. 949 00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:35.760 He's actually a really good actor as well. 950 00:45:35.820 --> 00:45:40.739 You know, but especially that bit of, you know, the boss has 951 00:45:40.739 --> 00:45:42.300 broken down in the middle of nowhere. 952 00:45:43.739 --> 00:45:48.659 Oh, when he does sort of 666 and, you know, like he gets some sky 953 00:45:48.659 --> 00:45:53.340 to repeat it, like he's being sort of scary and gothy and stuff. 954 00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:54.300 Yeah, meta. 955 00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:59.099 I actually get the impression during that whole sequence where the 956 00:45:59.099 --> 00:46:01.920 doctor wants to chat to everyone on the bus, it's like he's 957 00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:04.619 auditioning for who his companion is going to be this week. 958 00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:10.019 So, you know, we've got DD who is brilliantly intelligent, but 959 00:46:10.019 --> 00:46:15.840 sort of a bit trodden on and can only express her intelligence 960 00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:17.280 when she's away from the professor. 961 00:46:17.340 --> 00:46:21.480 We've got Jethro, who is jokey and says inappropriate things like 962 00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:24.420 666 but is also incredibly intelligent. 963 00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:28.559 And we've got Skye who has the traditional Doctor Who tragic 964 00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:30.840 backstory trademark, you know. 965 00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:32.760 But the 2 of them really hit it off. 966 00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:35.820 Like, I think they properly hit it off and we talked about the 967 00:46:35.820 --> 00:46:39.599 moment where, you know, she sees him disable the thing. 968 00:46:39.659 --> 00:46:42.119 I like that little scene. 969 00:46:42.179 --> 00:46:46.800 But it's also that, that, and that's, again, you know, she has 970 00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:52.380 been set up and coded as this is your companion figure for the 971 00:46:52.380 --> 00:46:52.739 week. 972 00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:58.079 And then, you know, she's the one that he hits it off with. 973 00:46:58.079 --> 00:46:59.699 Yes, she's one that he hits it off with. 974 00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:06.360 She is endangered and he rushes straight to help her. 975 00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:12.360 Yeah, and she she has a sympathetic backstory that makes you care 976 00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:13.980 about her. 977 00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:16.559 And then she's horribly murdered. 978 00:47:16.619 --> 00:47:20.820 Like by this, by this bizarre alien creature. 979 00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:22.559 And it's just horrible. 980 00:47:22.619 --> 00:47:24.119 It's so horrible. 981 00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:26.460 I love this story. 982 00:47:26.519 --> 00:47:28.380 It's so horrible. 983 00:47:56.099 --> 00:48:00.059 Well, there, listener, that's all we have time for this week. 984 00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:03.239 We'll be back next week in a terrifyingly familiar parallel 985 00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:06.780 universe to find out what happens when you don't turn left. 986 00:48:07.019 --> 00:48:11.039 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts 987 00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:13.920 and you can keep up with us at Flightthrough Entirety on Facebook 988 00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:18.480 at FT podcast on Twitter, and on our website, FlightthroughEntirety 989 00:48:16.980 --> 00:48:21.599 com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger and 990 00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:22.920 Jody into Terra. 991 00:48:23.099 --> 00:48:25.139 Josh, where can people find you? 992 00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:29.099 Yeah, you can find me on YouTube just as Josh Snares for more 993 00:48:29.099 --> 00:48:31.679 Doctor Who, Oddity, boring stuff. 994 00:48:31.739 --> 00:48:34.679 It's absolutely not boring at all. 995 00:48:34.739 --> 00:48:36.659 It's really quite extraordinary. 996 00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:38.579 So make sure you check it out. 997 00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:40.679 It's definitely worth a look. 998 00:48:40.739 --> 00:48:44.460 Until next time, when you go to the market this week, why not 999 00:48:44.460 --> 00:48:46.619 sling the goblin men a few, Bob? 1000 00:48:46.679 --> 00:48:50.159 Their fruits are syrupy and delicious and redolent with a erotic 1001 00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:50.699 subtext. 1002 00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:52.980 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 1003 00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:53.940 Good night. 1004 00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:54.599 Good night. 1005 00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:55.380 Bye. 1006 00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:02.340 That was flight for entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, Brendan 1007 00:49:02.340 --> 00:49:04.199 Jones, James Selwood, and Josh Snares. 1008 00:49:04.260 --> 00:49:07.079 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, strings performance by Jane 1009 00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:09.780 Orberg, closing joke by Douglas Adams. 1010 00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:13.320 This episode, your Besie mate, was recorded on the 13th of 1011 00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:16.260 February 2020 and released on the 17th of May. 1012 00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:22.500 Information about package holidays on midnight can be found in the 1013 00:49:22.500 --> 00:49:26.159 leaflets, some sapphires and suffering on the most totally evil 1014 00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:27.300 place in the galaxy. 1015 00:49:31.260 --> 00:49:34.320 Val wants to see a manager basically. 1016 00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:36.840 You should have been called Karen. 1017 00:49:36.900 --> 00:49:42.420 Yes, that is short for Karen. cabal. 1018 00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:44.219 No, that's a Blake 7 name. 1019 00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:44.699 Never mind. 1020 00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:46.019 Oh, Carven? 1021 00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:46.739 Carbon? 1022 00:49:46.739 --> 00:49:47.940 Carbon. 1023 00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:48.960 Creed of the Cromen. 1024 00:49:49.380 --> 00:49:51.480 Oh no, don't say that. 1025 00:49:51.539 --> 00:49:53.760 We've had Conrad on the podcast. 1026 00:49:53.820 --> 00:49:56.039 And he's delightful. gorgeous. 1027 00:49:57.539 --> 00:49:59.519 This is all going in. 1028 00:49:59.579 --> 00:50:01.199 It really isn't. 1029 00:50:02.579 --> 00:50:08.940 Let's talk about maybe the most impressive thing in the episode 1030 00:50:08.940 --> 00:50:14.760 and that is the interplay between David Tennant and Leslie Sharp. 1031 00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:19.019 You were you were about to say Dunlop, weren't you? 1032 00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:23.400 I'll never tire of that. 1033 00:50:25.739 --> 00:50:27.539 I'm sorry. 1034 00:50:28.019 --> 00:50:30.960 When are we doing the happiness patrol podcast? 1035 00:50:31.019 --> 00:50:32.820 We've done it like 12 times. 1036 00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:35.880 Right after Casino Rale. 1037 00:50:36.059 --> 00:50:39.179 No, it's it is just stunning.