WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 14:41:52 1 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:46.679 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flightthrough Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast that 12 years later is still completely terrified of backpacks. 2 00:00:46.799 --> 00:00:48.659 I'm Nathan. 3 00:00:48.719 --> 00:00:49.619 I'm James. 4 00:00:49.679 --> 00:00:50.579 I'm Brendan. 5 00:00:50.700 --> 00:01:08.819 Hello, I'm Joe. Well, this time it's David Tennant's week off, which is good because it turns out that the doctor is dead, but there's no time for us to mourn as the world collapses into a horrifying fascist dystopia, much like the plot of this week's Doctor Who episode, turn left. 6 00:01:34.140 --> 00:01:38.159 So, Joe, this is us hearing you for the first time on the podcast. 7 00:01:38.219 --> 00:01:44.819 Do you want to tell us how you feel generally about how series 4 has been going so far? 8 00:01:45.239 --> 00:01:47.099 Um, I love it. 9 00:01:47.159 --> 00:01:54.480 I, uh, those 1st 4 years of the new series are my favourite, um, to this date and I think turn left. 10 00:01:54.599 --> 00:01:59.640 What we're going to talk about sums up exactly why I love those 1st 4 years. 11 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:07.379 Um, I just think it's just the best solid run of Doctor Who there's ever been. 12 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:13.379 Uh, Donner is amazing, obviously, um, following on from Amazing Rose and Erasing Amazing Martha. 13 00:02:13.439 --> 00:02:18.479 Uh, and yeah, um, it's, uh, you know, obviously midnight is astonishing. 14 00:02:18.539 --> 00:02:27.000 And you think nothing's going to get better than midnight, and then turn left comes along the following week, and you think, ah, and anything, nothing's going to get better. 15 00:02:27.060 --> 00:02:34.620 And then you see the next time trainer at the end of turn left and you go, what did we do to deserve this amazing glorious piece of television? 16 00:02:34.680 --> 00:02:39.840 No, so I think it's just it's one of the most exciting periods in Doctor Who there's literally ever been. 17 00:02:40.139 --> 00:02:43.800 I think I would definitely agree with that. 18 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:57.360 And for me, and I think I've said this before on the podcast, that this run of sort of 7 episodes from Unicorn and the Wasp through to Journey's End is maybe the strongest run that the show has ever done. 19 00:02:57.419 --> 00:02:59.879 It's really something. 20 00:02:59.939 --> 00:03:01.740 Yeah, no, yeah. 21 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:22.199 I mean, it just, I think it feels like it's the culmination of all the world building Russell's done in torchwood and in the Sarah Jane adventures and of course in Doctor Who and We've never had that sense before and I don't think we ever really get it again of all this stuff happening in the same universe and all these amazingly detailed characters. 22 00:03:22.259 --> 00:03:24.360 I mean, I know they're all about return left. 23 00:03:24.419 --> 00:03:33.840 What Russell does so well in turn left is these characters like Rocco and even Donna's mates in the pub just feel like real people, real three-dimensional people. 24 00:03:33.900 --> 00:03:39.120 Um, which he does so well with just such a short amount of screen time. 25 00:03:39.180 --> 00:03:44.699 And so then to actually see in the next time trainer, Gwen and Yanto and Sarah Jane and everything like that. 26 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:48.840 Um, There were characters who said that even longer to develop. 27 00:03:48.900 --> 00:03:59.460 It's just so exciting and just seeing it all come together in one story, you know, coming up in one story, um, following on from this is just, yeah, it's so exciting. 28 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:02.939 Mind you, opening's a bit racist, Brendan. 29 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:15.000 Well, I think the opening scene on Shen Shen, which I believe in the script is described as the China planet, Shen Shen, right. 30 00:04:15.060 --> 00:04:18.240 I think it's a reference to Firefly. 31 00:04:18.300 --> 00:04:19.500 Ah, yes. 32 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:26.639 Because Joss Whedon's thought with Firefly and Russell has gone on record as saying he's a big fan of Joss's work. 33 00:04:26.699 --> 00:04:36.720 Joss Windsor on Firefly is, you know, in the far future, the 2 dominant cultures are the English speaking culture and the Chinese speaking culture and they kind of amalgamate and merge. 34 00:04:36.779 --> 00:04:39.779 Only there are no Asian people in Firefly to speak of. 35 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:41.459 No, exactly. 36 00:04:41.459 --> 00:04:44.399 It's a bit like Talons of Wing Chiangan. 37 00:04:44.459 --> 00:04:48.240 Well, so we're already one up in that we actually have Asian actors. 38 00:04:48.300 --> 00:04:53.699 I mean, I was going to say, to me, it feels like going into, you know, I live in London and you go into Chinatown. 39 00:04:53.819 --> 00:04:55.079 Yeah. in London. 40 00:04:55.139 --> 00:04:56.879 You know, China Planet. not racist. 41 00:04:56.939 --> 00:04:58.740 That's where a lot of Chinese people live. 42 00:04:58.800 --> 00:04:59.819 You know, I know what you mean. 43 00:04:59.879 --> 00:05:07.800 At 1st when it came on, I was like, oh, is this something that even now only, what are we, 10 years on that now might be seen as racist? 44 00:05:07.860 --> 00:05:12.360 But to me, it's no different from walking into Chinatown in London, you know? 45 00:05:12.420 --> 00:05:17.279 It's it looks like Chinatown in Soho, you know, it's it's very much that sort of vibe. 46 00:05:17.339 --> 00:05:20.160 Is it racist or is it cultural appropriation? 47 00:05:20.220 --> 00:05:21.899 Well, no, I don't think it's either of those. 48 00:05:21.959 --> 00:05:35.040 And I, look, I think that there probably is, you know, that the, the sort of foreign, um, you know, fortune teller woman is like that's sort of slightly awkward and we'll get onto that later. 49 00:05:35.100 --> 00:05:48.660 But I remember at the time thinking we've had so many planets in Doctor Who that are just inhabited by kind of Europeans and, you know, that kind of thing that actually seeing another culture in Doctor Who makes a change. 50 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:57.300 And I think that this is not the 1st time where Russell has kind of conceived of the doctor's travel as like tourism. 51 00:05:57.360 --> 00:06:06.120 So in the long game, for instance, he compares space travel or time travel to popping over to France and using the wrong verbs and things. 52 00:06:06.180 --> 00:06:12.720 And so those opening scenes of the doctor and Donna walking through a market really properly read like that, I think. 53 00:06:12.779 --> 00:06:37.079 Yeah, I mean, I think Russell really emphasised, and I think it was always, you know, I think in our heads, we always thought about it in the old series, but I think what Russell really emphasises is, Each week we see when they have a terrifying adventure, what we don't see is all the brilliant stuff, an exciting, fun places they visit in between each episode because that would be boring television. 54 00:06:37.139 --> 00:06:44.939 So, you know, nobody would stay with the doctor if you literally had 13 weeks of the trauma that they go through. 55 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:50.939 What makes it worth it is A saving people, but B, in between all those horrible things. 56 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:55.199 You get to have joy and get to, like you say, tourism. 57 00:06:55.259 --> 00:06:58.079 Um, and I think the opening scene of turn left really shows that. 58 00:06:58.139 --> 00:07:00.899 You've never seen Donna so relaxed than having such a great time. 59 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:03.600 Um, you know, because she's on holiday. 60 00:07:03.660 --> 00:07:07.860 She's on this big holiday where occasionally, they do amazing, brilliant things to save the universe. 61 00:07:07.980 --> 00:07:18.959 And I think there's a deliberate sort of visual similarity between this market and the marketplace in Pompeii, because the marketplace in Pompeii within 2 minutes. you know, they're in trouble. 62 00:07:19.019 --> 00:07:31.620 Whereas here we get a montage of them enjoying different things in the market and when Donna is lured into the fortune teller's room, the doctor is obviously bartering about something. 63 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:37.740 And I tried to lip read him this time and he's holding some sort of gourd and saying, this is clearly off. 64 00:07:38.699 --> 00:07:40.620 Then he starts laughing. 65 00:07:40.740 --> 00:07:42.180 So he's having a good time as well. 66 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:44.759 We've got Chippo Chung. 67 00:07:44.819 --> 00:07:46.319 Yes, from Utopia. 68 00:07:46.379 --> 00:07:48.300 From Chan from Utopia, though. 69 00:07:48.480 --> 00:07:50.339 Well done, yeah. 70 00:07:50.399 --> 00:07:58.800 But originally, apparently, she was going to be cast as the character who became Rocco. 71 00:07:58.860 --> 00:08:06.000 She was going to be someone Donna met after the disaster, who was then put in the back of a truck and taken away because she wasn't British. 72 00:08:06.060 --> 00:08:07.139 Right. 73 00:08:07.139 --> 00:08:10.500 But she was cast as the fortune teller instead. 74 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:16.319 And that may have informed, you know, the choice to make this the China planet Shen Shen. 75 00:08:16.379 --> 00:08:18.420 Yeah. did not know that. 76 00:08:23.220 --> 00:08:47.519 While we're talking backstory, though, this story kind of existed before we knew that Donna was coming back for series 4, at least in sort of some sense, apparently, that there was some idea when we were sort of throwing the idea of Penny around as the doctor's new companion, that there would be, you know, what would it have been like if she hadn't met the doctor? 77 00:08:47.580 --> 00:08:49.980 And then suddenly we get Catherine Tate. 78 00:08:50.039 --> 00:09:10.679 And it gives us an opportunity to do something really, really quite amazing, that wouldn't have otherwise been possible because now we get to see the doctor, um, the doctor dies at the end of series 2 at the end of his his 1st series in The Runaway Bride. 79 00:09:10.740 --> 00:09:18.059 And then we get to see him not there for this sort of long series of different sort of Doctor Who events. 80 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:19.019 And I guess we've seen that. 81 00:09:19.080 --> 00:09:28.559 I guess we saw it in Love and Monsters as well, where we get to see Elton's sort of outside viewpoint of what's been happening to Earth. 82 00:09:28.620 --> 00:09:36.059 But here it's really, really amazing because those things are given kind of real teeth. 83 00:09:36.120 --> 00:09:37.740 Do you know what I mean? 84 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:54.059 Like, you've got sort of cute fat monsters and you've got some the Titanic going to crash into into Buckingham Palace and all of those things are fun, silly Doctor Who threats that are taken seriously within the kind of programs they appear in. 85 00:09:54.179 --> 00:09:57.480 But suddenly when they're actually allowed to follow through. 86 00:09:57.600 --> 00:09:59.279 Like it's extraordinary. 87 00:09:59.340 --> 00:10:10.799 Like, it's really quite something that you get a sort of version of years and years, only it's caused by, you know, a giant radioactive replica of the Titanic crashing into Buckingham balance. 88 00:10:10.860 --> 00:10:22.200 I think what really makes it work is, again, it's the characters, um, is, you know, bringing back Morgenstone from Smith and Jones and things like that. 89 00:10:22.259 --> 00:10:29.820 It's seeing that combined with how we all react to when bad stuff happens. 90 00:10:29.879 --> 00:10:32.460 It doesn't affect us personally, we kind of get on their own lives. 91 00:10:32.519 --> 00:10:41.940 You know, the bit where the new support talks about Sarah Jane Smith dying and there's that gorgeous pitch of Liz Sladen. from actually from a few years ago, it's not a publicity photo. 92 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:44.759 It's a gorgeous sort of photo where she's just in a pub or something. 93 00:10:44.820 --> 00:10:53.159 And that is literally the 1st line after we hear that is Sylvia saying something about a whole punch because you get on with your life. 94 00:10:53.220 --> 00:10:56.700 And I think that really shows how we fall into that. 95 00:10:56.759 --> 00:11:00.299 And I did got, I mean, it was amazing watching as an adult. 96 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:08.039 Imagine watching as a kid, it must have been mind blowing to go, Sarah Jane Smith just died and Donna's mom is talking about a hole punch. 97 00:11:08.100 --> 00:11:10.080 So it's Sarah Jane Smith, Sylvia, Donna. 98 00:11:10.139 --> 00:11:44.700 It's all these characters that Russell has developed over, obviously Sarah was before, but he developed her, but it's all these characters we've seen in different settings and they're all coming together, but all, you know, rose coldly, coldly talking about Jack and Gwen and Yanto dying, and the kids on the moon, you know, it's just heartbreaking because it's saying to us, whenever, A terrible thing happens on the other side of the world or on the moon, or, you know, down the road, whenever there's a car accident, you know, when even right at the end when Donna and Sylvia were like, oh 99 00:11:44.700 --> 00:11:46.740 something's happened on the road, oh, well, we better turn left. 100 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:52.080 You know, not realising that it's actually Donna, who's there, it's really Russell saying to us. 101 00:11:52.200 --> 00:12:06.779 Every time something bad happens, there are people affected and there are people that, if you had, you know, if your life had taken a different journey, you might know that person that's just died, you might know, you know, the person and so you would feel that. 102 00:12:06.840 --> 00:12:10.019 You wouldn't be talking about hole punches and food and things like that. 103 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:11.159 I just think it's brilliant. 104 00:12:11.220 --> 00:12:15.480 It's so clever and to actually take something like the adipose. 105 00:12:15.539 --> 00:12:20.460 Which, you know, whether Trinity Wells says, what, 60000000 people have died or something. 106 00:12:20.580 --> 00:12:27.240 And Sylvia's face just decide, whatever, I don't care because she's so broken by events. 107 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:37.679 But yeah, like you say, I think it's the genius of Russell is to take the joy and silliness of partners of crime, adds Trinity Wells, which is the campus singer's ever been in Doctor Who. 108 00:12:37.740 --> 00:12:48.480 Um, put that in, have people in a fascist Britain watching that on the telly and have the amazing Jacqueline King who plays Sylvia, just have this amazing expression on her face. 109 00:12:48.539 --> 00:12:52.740 It's just taking all these things and turning it into this amazing, glorious piece of drama. 110 00:12:52.919 --> 00:13:02.039 That shot where Donna comes in to talk to Sylvia and the focus just stays on Sylvia and she's totally broken. 111 00:13:02.039 --> 00:13:15.480 And it's Catherine doing most of the talking, but we just stay on Jacqueline and, you know, we've seen her be so aggressive and sharp tongued and clever. 112 00:13:16.019 --> 00:13:29.879 And just it's over the course of the episode, as you say, Joe, we see her slowly losing that gumption, losing that gumption, and then, you know, and Graham Harper doesn't shy away from that. 113 00:13:29.940 --> 00:13:31.259 He's like look at this woman's face. 114 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:31.980 Yeah. 115 00:13:31.980 --> 00:13:34.620 Look at this humanity. 116 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:36.120 Because she's amazing. 117 00:13:36.179 --> 00:13:42.779 But also it's like, even though this episode is all about Donna and all about how important Donna is. 118 00:13:43.019 --> 00:13:49.799 Yeah, we're being forced to confront something terrible happening to someone who isn't us. 119 00:13:49.860 --> 00:13:58.679 It's so Twilight Zony, the way it turns on Sylvia in that way, that she was so dismissive of it earlier, but now she's in the middle of it. just breaks her. 120 00:13:58.740 --> 00:14:02.940 What it allows us to see as well is just what a three-dimensional character Donner is. 121 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:07.200 Because Donna isn't a terrible person before she meets a doctor. 122 00:14:07.259 --> 00:14:10.679 Donna's just a bit selfish, a bit broken down by life. 123 00:14:10.679 --> 00:14:13.259 And, you know, Sylvia is absolutely right. 124 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:14.940 Donna wants to go and work at H.C. 125 00:14:14.940 --> 00:14:18.960 Clemens because she wants to meet a rich man who will just sort out her life for it. 126 00:14:19.019 --> 00:14:21.960 She's just a bit selfish and uncaring about the world around it. 127 00:14:22.019 --> 00:14:24.720 And what we actually see in this story is you see Donna. 128 00:14:25.080 --> 00:14:32.340 Being broken by the events that are happening and then obviously being terrified at the end and then just this amazing hero at the end. 129 00:14:32.399 --> 00:14:41.279 But what you see with her, I think with Sylvia, is you see her Broken down, but when Sylvia absolutely break is broken, Donna does try. 130 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:48.600 You know, so you, You go from these scenes of Donna, trying to help her mum. 131 00:14:48.659 --> 00:14:52.080 And then at the next time calling Rocco Mussolini. 132 00:14:52.139 --> 00:15:02.460 You know, I think it just shows what an amazing developed character Donna actually is that she's not just Selfish woman whose life was changed by the doctor. 133 00:15:02.519 --> 00:15:06.840 All that stuff is in her already and she's constantly trying, but it just keeps breaking her down. 134 00:15:06.899 --> 00:15:10.320 And, you know, by having Sylvia and Will. 135 00:15:10.379 --> 00:15:13.019 As these really good characters around her. 136 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:13.919 It allows us. 137 00:15:13.980 --> 00:15:16.980 I think again, that's what Russell's done brilliantly by introducing the families to the show. 138 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:23.279 We see what has made the companions who they are and what they're fighting against as well as what they actually are. 139 00:15:23.340 --> 00:15:32.220 Yeah, I mean, in a few episodes time, we'll have the doctor lecturing, Sylvia, about the way that she's treated Donna. 140 00:15:32.220 --> 00:15:41.460 And here you've got, you know, the sort of comedy banter hectoring that they do in the car where she's calling her madam and, you know, talking down to her. 141 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:48.539 And then that scene that that Brendan mentioned is Sylvia's last scene in the episode. 142 00:15:48.539 --> 00:15:50.039 And she only says one word. 143 00:15:50.100 --> 00:16:02.399 She does speak, and it's Donna in the background says something like, I've always been a great disappointment to you, and she just quietly says yes, and she just really means it. 144 00:16:02.460 --> 00:16:15.840 Like, and that's so much more horrible and so much more heartbreaking than all of the loud, noisy performative put downs that we get normally from Sylvia and have been getting sort of all the way through. 145 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:18.299 I think that seems brilliant. 146 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:42.600 And it's sort of bookends with the scene in partners in crime where Don is sitting in the foreground, just staring into the distance while Sylvia is cleaning up the kitchen, you know, that sort of time lapse thing where Sylvia's just talking about how disappointed she is in Donner and how kind of worthless and useless she thinks Donna is. 147 00:16:42.659 --> 00:16:45.059 And she does all that without us hating it. 148 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:48.840 Like, I don't think we ever dislike Sylvia, however mean she is to Donna. 149 00:16:48.899 --> 00:16:51.299 We love Donna, but Sylvia's fantastic. 150 00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:57.360 I think Sylvia just wants, you know, it's actually that scene where the doctor tells Sylvia. 151 00:16:57.480 --> 00:16:58.740 He's right. 152 00:16:58.799 --> 00:17:00.720 She should tell Donna that she's proud of her. 153 00:17:00.779 --> 00:17:07.559 But at the same time, that's very easy for the doctor to say because he's not living in a family and not living in the real world. 154 00:17:07.619 --> 00:17:18.180 Again, I think it's brilliant because I think, I assume that it's deliberate that actually, well, we are on the doctor's side, it's actually very easy for someone like the doctor to come in and say that. 155 00:17:18.299 --> 00:17:21.359 It's not easy when you're living day-to-day life. 156 00:17:21.420 --> 00:17:22.920 Sylvia just wants the best for Donna. 157 00:17:22.980 --> 00:17:36.119 Yeah, Sylvia's not perfect, but she wants the best of Donna and Sylvia's been dealt the hard life, you know, especially when her husband dies, you know, so and she's got her dad living with her, you know, Sylvia, you know, has a, I don't know how old Donna's meant to be. 158 00:17:36.180 --> 00:17:37.259 She's in her 30s, isn't she? 159 00:17:37.319 --> 00:17:42.420 You know, Sylvia has an adult daughter living with her and her elderly dad living with her. 160 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:45.960 You know, Sylvia's at the time of her life, but she should be, is it the Wednesday girls? 161 00:17:46.019 --> 00:17:47.640 She goes out with him partners in crime. 162 00:17:47.700 --> 00:17:49.559 That should be Sylvia's life. 163 00:17:49.619 --> 00:17:54.420 She should be out. enjoying her late middle age or her middle age. 164 00:17:54.480 --> 00:18:00.720 She shouldn't be, looking after this daughter who's a bit feckless, and an elderly grandad who just goes and sits on a hill and watches the stars. 165 00:18:00.779 --> 00:18:08.339 You know, actually, when you look at it from Sylvia's point of view, she's got quite a, you know, just come on, family, give me some cut me some slack. 166 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:09.299 Let me live my life. 167 00:18:09.359 --> 00:18:13.319 So I actually very much can see Sylvia's point of view through a lot of it. 168 00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:41.460 I think also, I mean, yes, this, we, we've been talking quite a lot about the darkness and the brokenness of these characters, but then you still have moments until that sort of lasts 15 minutes where these characters are actually still finding joy and love from each other when they go on holiday because they, they win the, the raffle, they're actually enjoying themselves. 169 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:45.420 And Sylvia says to Donna, oh, your father would have loved this. 170 00:18:45.420 --> 00:18:48.359 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah, yeah. 171 00:18:48.420 --> 00:18:54.420 And, and, and, and you see, you can see that these characters actually, these people really love each other. 172 00:18:54.480 --> 00:19:03.960 And then there's that wonderful shot the next on Christmas morning when Sylvia's made Wolf sleep on the cow. 173 00:19:05.700 --> 00:19:06.720 Well, she's in bed. 174 00:19:06.779 --> 00:19:10.500 She's in bed wearing that gorgeous red silk thing, eating chocolate. 175 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:13.799 You know, I think getting out of bed till 10. 176 00:19:13.980 --> 00:19:15.420 She deserves this. 177 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:18.359 You know, Sylvia should be out with the Wednesday girls every night. 178 00:19:18.420 --> 00:19:25.980 She should be having Christmas with an adult single jobless daughter, you know, her dad. 179 00:19:26.039 --> 00:19:26.819 Yeah. 180 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:28.980 Oh my god, Suzette's dead. 181 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:30.480 I just... 182 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:31.680 Neres is dead. 183 00:19:31.740 --> 00:19:33.299 There's no loss. 184 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:36.119 I was once a... 185 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:37.680 It wasn't a convention, I don't think. 186 00:19:37.740 --> 00:19:39.539 It was a sort of gathering of Dr. He fans. 187 00:19:39.599 --> 00:19:48.059 There used to be a lot of Dr. get together and Just get very drunk and play silly games and stuff and someone did do, I think, a video or certainly acted it in front of us. 188 00:19:48.119 --> 00:19:49.559 I think it might have been Paul Condon. 189 00:19:49.619 --> 00:19:59.759 I've got a feeling it was Paul and um, it was him and somebody else and they just did, did an impression, a sketch about Donna and Sylvia remembering people who was dead. 190 00:19:59.819 --> 00:20:03.359 You know, just it kept going on and on until the point Donna was like, all right, let it go. 191 00:20:03.420 --> 00:20:04.319 They're all dead. 192 00:20:04.380 --> 00:20:05.940 We get it. everyone's there. 193 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:08.819 But I did think when you talk about the hope and the love. 194 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:14.039 There's the glorious moment where Donna goes screaming in to tell them to stop singing. 195 00:20:14.099 --> 00:20:21.180 And then the next shot of Sylvia just sat there trying so hard to be part of this whole singing group. 196 00:20:21.240 --> 00:20:24.180 And she just can't do it because she's not made that way. 197 00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:25.799 She's quite introverted, I think. 198 00:20:25.859 --> 00:20:27.900 She's not, she can't get on with strangers. 199 00:20:27.960 --> 00:20:31.740 But she's trying so hard because Donovan Will for making her try. 200 00:20:31.740 --> 00:20:34.259 And you just see a little bit of hope on her face. 201 00:20:34.319 --> 00:20:40.140 And again, it's just about these characters. knocking each other down, but also always building each other up. 202 00:20:40.200 --> 00:20:46.319 I think they're very sort of, I don't think, you know, if Sylvia and Donald were in another show and the doctor never came in. 203 00:20:46.380 --> 00:20:50.160 What you would see is Sylvia knocking anybody out who slagged off Donna. 204 00:20:50.220 --> 00:20:53.099 Sylvia would absolutely defend on her to the hill. 205 00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:56.519 She's just not going to say it to her face because she's not very good with her emotions. 206 00:20:56.579 --> 00:21:02.940 She'll be the 1st one to slag dollar off to her face, but the moment she hears a neighbour doing it, Donna Sylvia will be hitting her with a frying pan. 207 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:06.839 She would absolutely defend her daughter more than anyone in the world, I think. 208 00:21:07.380 --> 00:21:14.579 I think too, you get hints this series about how much she loves Wolf too. 209 00:21:14.640 --> 00:21:21.299 Like, you know, she bosses him around, won't let him have a webcam, you know, like sort of monsters him and orders him about. 210 00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:27.119 But that bit in the poison sky where she's crying in his arms and he's calling her my little girl. 211 00:21:27.180 --> 00:21:30.599 Like, it's it's really, really beautiful. 212 00:21:30.660 --> 00:21:31.680 It's so spectacular. 213 00:21:31.740 --> 00:21:57.539 I mean, we had, we had 2 years with the tilers, um, and just one year and a Christmas special, um, with the nobles, but I just think they're so, you know, the relationships, I think it's like what you said before, Joe, that it doesn't really take very much time for Russell to create a character, just the way that he's able to sketch out characters in a few lines of dialogue. 214 00:21:57.599 --> 00:21:59.640 He doesn't even need dialogue at times. 215 00:21:59.700 --> 00:22:11.039 I was the 1st one of the 1st jobs I had on the TV series or related to the TV series was, um, I did the series 2 spinoff websites, but I wrote Martha Jones is my space blog, which shows how old. 216 00:22:11.099 --> 00:22:12.240 Everything is now. 217 00:22:12.299 --> 00:22:13.380 It's a MySpace block. 218 00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:15.779 I think she was only... 219 00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:20.579 I think I only read on MySpace was Tom, you know, from the MySpace style. 220 00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:28.200 So I wrote the officials, it meant I got to read the scripts, obviously, to get to know the character so that the MySpace blogs would be up when the episode went out. 221 00:22:28.259 --> 00:22:32.339 And the opening of Smith and Jones. 222 00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:45.180 Russell creates that entire family, Martha's huge family, and absolutely, within a minute of a basically a montage of people having 2 or 3 lines. 223 00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:49.019 I absolutely know everything about Martha's family. 224 00:22:49.079 --> 00:22:49.619 I know. 225 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:54.240 I was able to write that MySpace page because it was just, Well, it's there. 226 00:22:54.299 --> 00:22:56.819 It's there in 30 seconds a minute of television. 227 00:22:56.880 --> 00:22:57.779 Russell has created. 228 00:22:57.900 --> 00:23:00.119 Characters and a setup. 229 00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:05.460 That are more developed than you might see after an hour of television written by somebody else. 230 00:23:05.519 --> 00:23:07.500 You know, I mean, that's the genius of what he does. 231 00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:12.119 So we absolutely know who Martha is because we see these snapshots of her family. 232 00:23:12.180 --> 00:23:13.680 And it's the same with Donna. 233 00:23:13.740 --> 00:23:30.599 We realise who Donna is, partly because Sylvia isn't the best mum in the world, but she's trying because of Will, you know, I mean, Will, actually, although he's very lovely, what does Will actually do to help his daughter or help his granddaughter, he doesn't actually, you know, there are dimensions to all of them, which I think are brilliant. 234 00:23:30.660 --> 00:23:43.019 And again, it's why the turn left, the next time trader at the end of turn left is just the most exciting thing in the world ever, not because of the Daleks invading Earth, but because we're seeing all these characters coming back from all these different things that Russell has created. 235 00:23:55.799 --> 00:23:57.539 Rose is back. 236 00:23:57.599 --> 00:23:58.440 Yay. 237 00:23:58.559 --> 00:23:59.099 Oh, is she? 238 00:23:59.160 --> 00:23:59.460 Yeah. 239 00:23:59.700 --> 00:24:01.440 Well, is she? 240 00:24:01.559 --> 00:24:02.519 Is she doing the voice? 241 00:24:02.579 --> 00:24:03.539 Is she doing the accent? 242 00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:04.440 Is she doing the teeth? 243 00:24:04.500 --> 00:24:07.019 Well, the teeth are new. 244 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:10.559 I think that she is amazing in this. 245 00:24:10.619 --> 00:24:14.819 And she hasn't had any dialogue yet this year. 246 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:15.539 Am I right? 247 00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:16.259 She's a peer. 248 00:24:16.319 --> 00:24:17.400 She's appeared. 249 00:24:17.460 --> 00:24:24.539 She has, um, she has said something to, no, she says something to, no, she doesn't say anything to Donna in partners in crime. 250 00:24:24.599 --> 00:24:25.740 Yeah, no. 251 00:24:25.799 --> 00:24:27.119 So she said no dialogue. 252 00:24:27.180 --> 00:24:31.079 So this is her back and she's having to be the doctor. 253 00:24:31.140 --> 00:24:34.319 And it turns out she's actually really good at it. 254 00:24:34.380 --> 00:24:35.160 That's right. 255 00:24:35.220 --> 00:24:36.299 Donna said something to her. 256 00:24:36.359 --> 00:24:37.019 Yes. 257 00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:39.480 Billy actually had trouble. 258 00:24:39.539 --> 00:24:41.519 She said in interviews around the time. 259 00:24:41.579 --> 00:24:45.059 She's like, I started reading script. 260 00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:45.720 She had to watch herself. 261 00:24:45.779 --> 00:24:48.900 She's like, I started reading the script and I don't know how to play this person anymore. 262 00:24:48.960 --> 00:25:03.660 So I went out and bought the 1st 2 series on TBD and watched to learn and I realised, oh, but, oh, no, she wouldn't, if she's like trying to save the world now, she wouldn't be like this and she wouldn't be getting jealous of Lucy with the pinot rolls at the party. 263 00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:04.980 That's not who she is anymore. 264 00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:08.819 Um, and, but she brings it. 265 00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:15.839 Like she brings this this believable thing that this is still rose and she's still a bit cheeky. 266 00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:23.880 Yeah, but she is a lot more determined and a lot more driven and a lot more focussed than she was previously. 267 00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:32.700 And I remember at the time when we saw her in partners in crime, No, it had been announced she was returning this series. 268 00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:40.440 So the shock of seeing Rose, to me at least, was the look on her face, you know, and not knowing what that meant. 269 00:25:40.500 --> 00:25:54.000 And I thought we might be in for evil rose, but we didn't we didn't get that, thankfully, because anytime you think, oh, this character might be evil, and if it ever comes true, it's like, well, that's very unsatisfying. 270 00:25:54.900 --> 00:25:59.640 So one thing I love about Rose in the episode is actually how detached she is. 271 00:25:59.700 --> 00:26:03.059 Like you say about her having to take on the role of the doctor. 272 00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:17.339 Um, This shows how much it shows on which he's developed and changed because Rose, the old Rose, and Martha, or anyone like that, the beginning of the episode would have gone up to Donna and gone, okay, here's what's happening. 273 00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:18.420 We can stop it now. 274 00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:20.759 Rose knows Donna needs to die. 275 00:26:20.819 --> 00:26:23.160 So she knows Donna needs to make that decision. 276 00:26:23.220 --> 00:26:28.079 So she allows all this horribleness to happen. 277 00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:34.019 And she keeps saying to Don, and when towards the end, she says to Donna, you will come back. you know, you will find me again. 278 00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:46.859 Um, it's just very, The bit where she talks about Jack, who remember she loved Captain Jack, and she talks about Captain Jack being taken to the Centaurin homeworld, and her face is just like, Yeah, this has to happen. 279 00:26:46.920 --> 00:26:48.599 And I just think it's brilliant. 280 00:26:48.660 --> 00:26:54.359 It's, it's, it's, quite cold and scary, but she knows what she has to do. 281 00:26:54.420 --> 00:26:57.960 And she only really, I feel, shows emotion. 282 00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:05.339 That glorious moment towards the end where the heroic music is playing and Donna's worked it all out. 283 00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:08.460 All I need to do is go and argue with myself and isn't it brilliant? 284 00:27:08.579 --> 00:27:10.619 And the audience are thinking, yes, it's brilliant. 285 00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:15.119 And then Billy Piper's face is just like, no, that's not what's going to happen. 286 00:27:15.180 --> 00:27:19.500 And that's when she really shows emotion and shows it on her face and then she just said she's sorry. 287 00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:20.339 It's just glorious. 288 00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:20.880 It's so. 289 00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:22.619 Doctor Who. 290 00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:23.940 She is just Doctor Who in the story. 291 00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:29.220 She responds to that thing about the argument where she says, wow, I'd really like to see that. 292 00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:34.559 And that is a sort of very, very sort of rose thing to say. 293 00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:37.079 Like you can really see that happening. 294 00:27:37.140 --> 00:27:56.220 But it's that thing where almost like Donna kind of basically knows the genre rules, you know, that if this timeline gets erased, you know, she'll live a happy life with the doctor, and she keeps saying, I'm not going to die because I'll live on with the doctor, but of course that's not what's going to happen at all. 295 00:27:56.279 --> 00:28:00.660 She is going to get hit by a drunk and we'll see her die. 296 00:28:00.660 --> 00:28:03.420 Like, and then in a couple of weeks, she'll die again. 297 00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:08.700 Yeah, but we kind of, you know, that's a thing that's really going to happen. 298 00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:09.599 Yeah. 299 00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:13.859 And what I found when rewatching it was, although obviously I know where it's going. 300 00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:15.660 There is a moment where you do sit there and go. 301 00:28:15.779 --> 00:28:18.000 Oh, perhaps that's what's going to happen. 302 00:28:18.059 --> 00:28:21.539 Donna just needs to go and talk to Donna and Sylvia in the car and say turn left. 303 00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:24.119 And won't that be brilliant watching Donna argue with herself? 304 00:28:24.180 --> 00:28:25.079 You want to watch that? 305 00:28:25.140 --> 00:28:33.240 You're with Rose. you're sitting there going, I want to see that And then just the music stopped as Rosie's face changes and you go, oh, that's not what's going to happen, is it? 306 00:28:33.299 --> 00:28:39.720 No, that's thank you, Russell, for teasing us with that moment of joy and then realising, no, you think it's been dark up until now. 307 00:28:39.779 --> 00:28:40.859 It's going to get even darker. 308 00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:58.019 The thing I picked up on this time that I'd never picked up on before, is that the reason that Rose knows that Donna is going to die is because we're not necessarily seeing Rose in order. 309 00:28:58.079 --> 00:29:02.339 Rose has already stood over Donna's body and said, tell him I said bad wolf. 310 00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:03.779 That's how she knows what to do. 311 00:29:04.500 --> 00:29:14.279 You notice too that you also have rose by someone's side after they hit by a car and waiting with them. 312 00:29:16.859 --> 00:29:19.200 God, Russell's brilliant. 313 00:29:19.259 --> 00:29:21.000 I never made that connection before. 314 00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:22.799 That's so good. 315 00:29:22.859 --> 00:29:24.359 That's brilliant. 316 00:29:24.420 --> 00:29:25.799 Bad Wolf? 317 00:29:27.059 --> 00:29:35.220 God, I remember Doctor Who magazine the week after that and every word on the cover was replaced by Bad Boys. 318 00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:41.279 And even the TARDIS, even where it's this police box on the Tartar, which has been sort of completely sacrosanct. 319 00:29:41.339 --> 00:29:44.160 I mean, you had to step up from having it graffitied on the wall. 320 00:29:44.220 --> 00:29:45.660 At the door side. 321 00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:46.980 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 322 00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:48.059 It's just tremendous. 323 00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:49.859 It's so great. so exciting. 324 00:29:49.920 --> 00:30:00.779 And I think I was reading about time, sort of tat wood talking about it, and grumbling about it, or something like that, you know, what's bad wolf meant to mean and all of that. 325 00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:04.920 But I mean, it was so central to series one. 326 00:30:04.980 --> 00:30:11.700 It's been mentioned over and over again And that moment is so incredibly exciting, like so thrilling. 327 00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:14.759 And can we mention Graham Harper? 328 00:30:14.819 --> 00:30:18.000 Um, you know, like it was just shot after shot after shot. 329 00:30:18.059 --> 00:30:19.559 The camera's sort of moving all the time. 330 00:30:19.619 --> 00:30:21.779 We're seeing just bad wolf all over the place. 331 00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:27.299 The music, you know, Murray's going crazy and it really is just the most exciting thing possible, I think. 332 00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:28.140 Yeah. 333 00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:32.220 And I think that's more important than us necessarily knowing 100% what Bad Wolf means. 334 00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:32.880 Oh, yes. 335 00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:33.900 You know, that's so much more. 336 00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:35.940 I mean, can't imagine being a, yeah, exactly. 337 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:39.119 Imagine being a kid watching that and going, bad wolf back from the birds. 338 00:30:39.180 --> 00:30:52.200 Because I mean, I found, because I didn't know anything about the 1st series when it was going out, when you gradually realised, well, watching the 1st series that Bad Wolf kept being mentioned, it was just like, oh, this isn't, this isn't just new Doctor Who. 339 00:30:52.259 --> 00:30:53.400 This is there's something going on. 340 00:30:53.460 --> 00:30:54.779 There's a mystery. 341 00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:56.940 And it kind of makes sense at the end. 342 00:30:57.000 --> 00:31:02.039 And yeah, I mean, I don't know why Rose doesn't just say to Donna, Rose Tyler, telling Rose Tyler. 343 00:31:02.099 --> 00:31:04.980 But you know, Rose likes the drama. 344 00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:08.160 She's, she's like, more exciting in Miss Bad Wolf. 345 00:31:08.220 --> 00:31:08.940 That'll be more exciting. 346 00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:11.400 And you know, doctor at the end says, it's the end of the universe. 347 00:31:11.460 --> 00:31:12.779 Don't quite know how he's got that. 348 00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:21.839 But um, He knows, you know, Bad Wolf before, Bad Wolf means Rose is back and, you know, big, big, big stuff is happening. 349 00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:27.180 I suppose if she'd said Rose Tyler, the doctor would have just been, oh, right, she's come around for a chat. 350 00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:28.380 It's like, okay, bad wolf. 351 00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:30.000 Oh, okay. 352 00:31:30.059 --> 00:31:33.119 Cloisterbell, red lighting, flames. 353 00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:34.319 Oh, dear. 354 00:31:35.940 --> 00:31:49.680 Yeah, I mean, the thing with Bad Wolf is, I think it makes enough sense in its initial in series one here and later on in Day of the Doctor. 355 00:31:49.740 --> 00:31:56.460 I think the usage of the word makes enough sense and it gives fans things to debate about, which is what we love. 356 00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:10.859 I mean, look at the, regardless of what you think of the episodes themselves, look at fan discussion after the Battle of Ranskorev Colos and look at fan discussion after the timeless children, fans love having something to speculate on, and it means this. 357 00:32:10.920 --> 00:32:11.759 No, it means that. 358 00:32:11.819 --> 00:32:23.099 And the whole thing is bad wolf kind of means whatever it needs to mean within the plot and it's always, it's what links the doctor and rose. 359 00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:25.259 That's all you really need to know. 360 00:32:25.380 --> 00:32:29.220 And as for why, you know, the lettering changes. 361 00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:38.460 Look, I always took it as it's the Tartar saying, yeah, some bad stuff's about to happen, but other people have said, no, the signs physically change. 362 00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:41.880 Yes, they can change because that's what she did. 363 00:32:41.940 --> 00:32:47.400 She put Bad Wolf all over the universe the 1st time and she's done it again somehow. 364 00:32:47.460 --> 00:32:48.420 Maybe she did. 365 00:32:48.420 --> 00:32:48.960 I don't care. 366 00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:49.799 At the end of series one. 367 00:32:49.859 --> 00:32:50.519 Maybe she did. 368 00:32:51.299 --> 00:32:54.119 See, fans debating things. 369 00:32:54.180 --> 00:32:56.400 So all the time and space at the same time. 370 00:32:56.519 --> 00:32:58.500 That's true, actually. 371 00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:00.420 Maybe she planted that there. 372 00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:07.680 Yeah, after she, after she breached the hull of satellite 5 with those letters she flung off into nowhere. 373 00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:10.079 And nobody died. 374 00:33:19.140 --> 00:33:24.299 Let's talk about the descent of Britain into a kind of fascist dystopia. 375 00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:25.619 Do you mean in the episode? 376 00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:28.140 Yeah, I mean, in the episode during real life. 377 00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:31.559 Yeah, you're not talking about the last... 378 00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:34.140 We've been living in years and years at the moment, so... 379 00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:36.900 Well, there's heaps of years and years in this, isn't there? 380 00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:47.220 I mean, there's scenes in years and years where people are billeted in people's houses after the flooding happens, people are kind of forcibly billeted in each other's houses like we get here. 381 00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:54.240 And there is a sort of hilarious thing where something happens to Rory Kinnear and he keeps turning left all the time. 382 00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:59.220 And I just want to think that that's Russell mentioning this episode title. 383 00:33:59.339 --> 00:34:02.819 So this is the 1st draft of years and years. 384 00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:03.420 The pilot. 385 00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:06.779 Yeah, no, you see that, don't you? 386 00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:09.599 it's an idea that's got stuck in his head. 387 00:34:09.659 --> 00:34:10.440 Yeah. 388 00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:18.840 Like, he did it in Doctor Who, and something chimed with him and he felt that's something I want to come back to. 389 00:34:18.900 --> 00:34:22.199 I wonder where there was there, there was some talk. 390 00:34:22.260 --> 00:34:38.880 Was it in the writer style where there was some a torchwood idea, an idea that he thought, you know, because, I mean, I guess there's also that a bit in children of earth where you've got the government kind of devolving into fascism as well as a result of the aliens. 391 00:34:39.300 --> 00:34:53.219 Well, I think it's, I mean, certainly the take I get from turn left, children of Earth, and then obviously years and years, um, is that, Too many people over here. 392 00:34:53.280 --> 00:35:00.599 It's not that people are necessarily racist or, you know, particularly right wing. 393 00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:03.780 It's just they hear migrants. 394 00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:07.619 They hear refugees and they think of people who are different to us. 395 00:35:07.739 --> 00:35:14.639 Um, you know, they think of these people have different cultures, different lives, different colour skin. 396 00:35:14.699 --> 00:35:16.139 Therefore, they are different. 397 00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:19.440 Therefore, we can slightly detach ourselves from their plight. 398 00:35:19.500 --> 00:35:27.480 And I think what Russell is always doing and does it so brilliantly in turn left is go, just one thing could happen and that's us. 399 00:35:27.539 --> 00:35:34.500 The, you know, the white working class middle class people in Britain, one thing could happen, and that's us. 400 00:35:34.739 --> 00:35:46.679 And so he's saying, you know, remember that those people who seem different to us who are trying to escape Syria or wherever, which we don't really understand. 401 00:35:46.739 --> 00:35:49.500 But it's saying, those people are just us. 402 00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:56.340 They are the normal people who live with their families and their friends and wanting to just live their lives. 403 00:35:56.400 --> 00:35:59.760 They're in this situation where they're fighting for life and they're trying to escape. 404 00:35:59.820 --> 00:36:08.639 Just take that into consideration that actually, and I think turn left does it brilliantly is a bit where, um, Sylvia says we don't even have the vote or something. 405 00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:11.099 Yeah, you know, where nobody. 406 00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:14.099 Just a couple of things could happen and you are nobody. 407 00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:20.219 You no longer have, you know, a right to, to, to, to democracy. 408 00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:22.619 And I think it's very terrifying. 409 00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:32.699 And, you know, sadly, there are elements of it, you know, creeping across the world at the moment, without getting too political. 410 00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:36.780 You know, there are moments where you go, okay, yeah, no, that's kind of happening. 411 00:36:36.900 --> 00:36:38.219 No, get political. 412 00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:42.420 I mean, years and years is not about the future, particularly. 413 00:36:42.539 --> 00:36:51.300 It is about things happening to other people in distant countries happening to a nice middle class family that we can easily identify with. 414 00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:53.820 I think, and you know, you know, financial collapse. 415 00:36:53.880 --> 00:37:03.780 People, um, suffering in the gig economy, you know, people making these sort of last stitch, desperate efforts to cross the sea to get to somewhere where they can live. 416 00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:06.239 All of those things are happening to people now. 417 00:37:06.300 --> 00:37:11.340 But Russell makes them all happen to a single family who we know and like. 418 00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:26.940 And you've got that here with the nobles kind of in number 29 with heaps and heaps of people, the merchandani family, and Rocco, and all of those people all sort of shoved into this sort of tiny terrace house. 419 00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:33.780 It ties into, I think, what I was saying earlier on about Sylvia talking about the whole punch. 420 00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:38.760 Or Donna talking about food while the, you know, Smith and Jones is happening. 421 00:37:38.820 --> 00:37:44.460 It's the fact that actually the only way we can get on with our lives. is to carry on living our lives. 422 00:37:44.579 --> 00:37:51.420 You know, but I'm very aware that while we're sitting here, babbling about an episode of Doctor Who that's 10 years old. 423 00:37:51.480 --> 00:38:05.820 There's people fighting for their lives elsewhere in the world, but we can't, you can't constantly be, um, you've got to get on with our own lives and and the, you know, the tiny things that actually matter to us like a whole punch or food or talking about Doctor Who. 424 00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:22.860 We have to get on with our own lives, but I think what turn left is doing is going, how very quickly you could be the person who one minute is talking about stationary and the next minute has nowhere to live, has no vote, has no friends left and is living with people who then gets into a concentration camp. 425 00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:24.900 You know, that can happen. 426 00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:41.699 Um, and actually I find turn left. more satisfying and more believable in a bizarre way, despite being science fiction, than years and years, because in years and years, I felt it got a bit melodramatic and it was just a bit everything is here, whereas turn left. 427 00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:49.079 I think I just watching it through the nobles, and seeing them go through that in 45 minutes. 428 00:38:49.139 --> 00:38:54.900 I think actually I found it much more heartbreaking and believable, let's say, than years and years. 429 00:38:55.199 --> 00:39:11.400 That, um, the thing about sort of Donna being oblivious, you know, the, that she is berating her workmates and things while Royal Hope hospitals on the moon, um, and stealing the whole punch and, you know, all that sort of stuff. 430 00:39:11.460 --> 00:39:24.239 And she's sort of shouting and shouting and it's just that moment where she sees Rocco Colosanto being... and she suddenly realises what that means. 431 00:39:24.300 --> 00:39:36.300 Like, it suddenly occurs to her to wonder, once, once Wilf kind of, you know, basically what's happening, then she's sort of running after the truck demanding to know what's going on. 432 00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:46.860 And there's there's a scene between the guy who plays Rocco and between Wilf, where Rocco has been this big, jolly, fun character who's everything's great. 433 00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:47.820 We're all living together. 434 00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:49.079 We love meeting nice new people. 435 00:39:49.139 --> 00:39:54.239 And he's even putting that face on to Donna just before that moment with Will as well. 436 00:39:54.300 --> 00:40:07.500 But then when they, when they salute one another, his face, and it's just the smallest movement, it's the slightest thing, and he, you can just see the fear because he knows where he's going. 437 00:40:07.500 --> 00:40:12.059 And obviously he can't show that to his children or, you know, his mother or whatever. 438 00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:19.500 But it's, it's, like, it's terrifying and absolutely heartbreaking. 439 00:40:19.500 --> 00:40:34.199 I find that very relevant today as well because quite rightly, there's a lot of people, and especially you see it on Twitter, of young people saying, listen to us young people, you know, especially when it comes to climate change and issues around race and gender. 440 00:40:34.619 --> 00:40:43.920 Um, but I think there's a very interesting point made where Wilf and Rocco saluted each other is that also listen to old people. 441 00:40:43.980 --> 00:40:52.800 Listen to people who know this has happened before and it will happen again, not necessarily because of a time beetle, but things like that will happen again. 442 00:40:52.860 --> 00:40:57.780 And that's why you should listen to older people as well because Donna doesn't realise. 443 00:40:57.780 --> 00:40:59.219 Donna's blinkered. 444 00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:02.219 She thinks Rocco's going off to do sewing in a nice camp. 445 00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:05.639 I mean, he literally calls it a labour camp and Donna doesn't make the connection. 446 00:41:05.699 --> 00:41:09.960 She needs Will to make the connection for her because Will is absolutely aware. 447 00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:12.960 And the way Rocco is absolutely aware. 448 00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:22.440 And Rocco trying to protect Donna is just, I mean, that was a bit that really, I mean, I cried pretty much as soon as the episode started when I 1st watched it and again today when I watched it this morning. 449 00:41:22.500 --> 00:41:41.699 But that scene is the one that makes me bore my eyes out because, again, it's Russell creating this character, Rocco, Rocco, could have just been a normal bloke who, a normal Italian bloke who lives in this house and then at the end, when he's getting taken away, he could have been screaming at the world. 450 00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:49.199 But to make him try and protect Donna from the truth, it's just, again, just that extra level of characterisation that he just wouldn't get from another writer. 451 00:41:49.260 --> 00:41:50.280 It's Russell doing that. 452 00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:56.159 And it follows on from a scene where Donna, jokingly almost as an insult causing Mussolini. 453 00:41:56.219 --> 00:41:59.820 Donald is racist, absolutely horrifically racist towards him. 454 00:41:59.880 --> 00:42:10.980 In a casual way, in the way that actually any one of us could well be casually raised this, and then 5 minutes later, he's being taken to a concentration camp where he's going to be killed. 455 00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:19.559 You know, and Donna realises, I mean, just the level of characterisation and things that are going on in every scene of this story, I just think it's astonishing. 456 00:42:22.619 --> 00:42:24.719 I've got something really random. 457 00:42:24.780 --> 00:42:25.619 Okay, go on. 458 00:42:25.739 --> 00:42:30.420 Rose and the Fortune Teller are wearing the same gold eyeshadow. 459 00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:43.619 And given that it is such an unusual colour of gold, I wonder if it's an indication that both of them are not quite in the right world. time sensitive or apart. 460 00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:44.940 Send tweet. 461 00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:45.480 Yeah. 462 00:42:45.480 --> 00:43:07.739 So there's a sense too in which this is kind of the reunification of the sort of Russell cinematic universe at this point because the, you know, we discover that the fortune teller is one of the tricksters brigade and the trickstar is, of course, marvellously from the Sarah Jane adventure. 463 00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:09.780 Yeah, it's like the main villain for 3 seasons. 464 00:43:10.019 --> 00:43:34.980 And also, then later in Torchwood Miracle Day, there's also another of the tricksters, brigade, like it's in one of the episodes where, like it's set in the 20s with Jack and his lover, and there's this creature that was supposed to kill the president and change the timeline so the Nazis won the war. 465 00:43:35.099 --> 00:43:44.340 Yeah, I mean, what rules I think by saying the Tricksters Brigade is if you know Doctor Who and you know Sarah Jane adventures, you know, oh, it's part of the Tricksters Brigade. 466 00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:46.800 If you don't know it, you think it's like the Medusa Child. 467 00:43:46.860 --> 00:43:48.539 It's just another thing in there, yeah. 468 00:43:48.599 --> 00:43:50.460 And I think what he does brilliantly. 469 00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:58.199 I mean, I remember on a Sarah Jane Adventures meeting, one thing he said was, we can do any story, no matter whether it's been done in Star Trek a 1000000 times. 470 00:43:58.260 --> 00:44:01.980 What you need to remember is for children watching it, it'll be the 1st time. 471 00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:04.679 So turn left is sort of like a parallel universe story. 472 00:44:04.739 --> 00:44:06.179 What would happen if something changed? 473 00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:15.239 But what Russell does is, makes it a very simple, very quick, easy sci-fi thing at the beginning and a sci-fi thing at the end. 474 00:44:15.300 --> 00:44:19.019 All we need to know is what we find out at the end is the time beetle feeds on time. 475 00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:25.860 You know, it's such a basic, simple concept that allows the audience, a family audience. 476 00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:34.920 It allows my mum to watch this episode, not caring, particularly why it's happening and, you know, Doctor Who says at the end, uh, Beetle feeds on time. 477 00:44:34.980 --> 00:44:35.340 That's it. 478 00:44:35.460 --> 00:44:49.199 But what my mum gets to do and what any normal non-geek person like us gets to do is watch this episode and go, oh my god, and they followed the emotional story and the drama and the characters rather than worrying about the huge sci-fi concepts behind it. 479 00:44:49.260 --> 00:44:51.900 And I just think again, it's just very clever. 480 00:44:51.960 --> 00:45:09.659 It's making Doctor Who, making science fiction, very, very easy to understand for mainstream viewers, which is why it became the huge hit it did, because anybody can watch this and know absolutely what's going on without caring about, you know, time vector coordinates or something, you know. 481 00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:11.340 On the time lords. 482 00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:13.619 I mean, it's such a big hit too. 483 00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:21.480 That Russell is able to kind of create a mythology just among the people who have been watching it since 2005. 484 00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:45.659 And so all of these references to Royal Hope Hospital, the references to Sarah Jane and Clyde and Maria, you know, the, the, the torch with stuff, all of these callbacks to recent Doctor Who episodes, you know, it's, it's wonderful how quickly he creates enough of a world to have new fans who've never even, you know, heard of Eric Sayword. 485 00:45:46.139 --> 00:45:54.119 Lucky, lucky, have something that they can really love and sort of get into and have a sort of flash of recognition about. 486 00:45:54.179 --> 00:46:03.000 The references to Royal Hope Hospital, to them, what the references to Venom Grubs in Hometown was to us. 487 00:46:03.059 --> 00:46:04.079 It's wonderful. 488 00:46:04.139 --> 00:46:07.199 I mean, I love the fact you even get a flash of Henrix. 489 00:46:07.260 --> 00:46:10.260 You get a flush of the headaches of the Christmas out. 490 00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:16.380 Because again, it was that mythology in that world that he built that it just, I love it. 491 00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:21.900 I mean, I wrote a couple of Jackie Tyler short trips, actually, and just came back and watching all that stuff and going, what can I mention? 492 00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:26.699 The Royal London Bank, you know, and, you know, the neighbours and the friends and everything. 493 00:46:26.820 --> 00:46:28.260 It's just brilliant. 494 00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:31.800 It's such such a great universe. 495 00:46:31.860 --> 00:46:38.159 And when you, you know, like you say, I mean, even I love that the sexy soldier from Santaran stratagem is back. 496 00:46:38.219 --> 00:46:40.199 Ah, the evil one. 497 00:46:40.260 --> 00:46:42.960 Harris, yeah, the one who gets taken over. 498 00:46:43.019 --> 00:46:44.880 I'm very happy. 499 00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:45.960 Have we wanted to get Ross back? 500 00:46:46.800 --> 00:47:04.260 Um, I did I did wonder that myself, and I got my complete history out, and all all it says about casting Harris was, there was a unit soldier in the script, and when Harris was cast in Santara and experiment, he was cast in turn left at the same time. 501 00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:21.599 So I think I think possibly he was casting the role before Christian Cook recorded his performance because I think if it had been after, they would have asked to get Christian Cook back because, of course, he was more of an audience identification figure in that story as Jenkins. 502 00:47:21.659 --> 00:47:28.440 And we could have had this sort of thing where Jenkins is alive in the parallel universe created when Donna turns right. 503 00:47:28.500 --> 00:47:33.000 And we're choosing to, maybe that would have been just an additional thing. 504 00:47:33.059 --> 00:47:35.039 But I just realised someone we haven't mentioned yet. 505 00:47:35.099 --> 00:47:37.380 Captain Aresa McGumbo. 506 00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:38.039 Oh my goodness. 507 00:47:38.099 --> 00:47:39.719 Who is amazing. 508 00:47:39.900 --> 00:47:42.239 It's like, don't get me wrong. 509 00:47:42.300 --> 00:47:50.159 I love when Kate Stewart turns up later on, but I have to confess every unit story since then, since Planet of the Dead, I should say. 510 00:47:50.219 --> 00:47:51.840 It like, where's a reason my company? 511 00:47:51.900 --> 00:47:56.880 bring her back for Big Finish, Joe. Give her own spinoff series. 512 00:47:56.940 --> 00:47:59.340 I would love to, you know, I love her. 513 00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:00.420 I think she's brilliant. 514 00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:02.460 And again, just seeing her back. 515 00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:15.420 I mean, it just shows the love and care that was going into Doctor Who at that time of, That could just be another unit, Captain, but it, you know, Russell presumably wrote it as her and said, look, try and get her back. 516 00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:15.960 We want her back. 517 00:48:16.019 --> 00:48:17.219 I want that soldier back. 518 00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:20.460 I want Morgan Stern back from Smith and Jones, you know, want these people back. 519 00:48:21.300 --> 00:48:33.179 Because it's the world and it could be anybody else, but actually by making it Morgan Stone, even if you don't remember him from Smith and Jones, because it was, you know, what, a year ago, 2 years ago, even if you don't necessarily particularly remember him. 520 00:48:33.300 --> 00:48:41.880 When you actually, all it needs is one member of your family to be watching it go, oh, he was Martha's mate in Smith and Jones, and the rest of the family are like, oh, that's really exciting. 521 00:48:41.940 --> 00:48:46.920 Um, you know, that's that, you know, even if you don't remember it yourself, it creates this little buzz about it. 522 00:48:46.980 --> 00:48:52.440 Um, So yeah, no, very happy to see her back and would love to see her back again. 523 00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:54.179 I miss her. 524 00:48:58.679 --> 00:49:01.199 There's a couple of wolf moments. 525 00:49:01.260 --> 00:49:02.219 I think are brilliant. 526 00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:11.880 One is when he says, you're not going to make the world better by shouting at it, which literally sums up Donna Oval's character, that Donna just shouts at things because she's constantly put down and angry. 527 00:49:11.880 --> 00:49:16.980 And when she's not shouting at the beginning of turn left, when she's having a great time with the doctor, it really shows. 528 00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:22.920 And that's why I think Turner especially works with Donna because Rose and Martha already had hope before they met the doctor. 529 00:49:22.980 --> 00:49:26.460 They had an idolism before they met the doctor. 530 00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:27.659 Donna didn't. 531 00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:28.619 Donna had no hope. 532 00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:33.179 Her only hope was perhaps only a rich bloke, and that'd be my life sorted. 533 00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:37.800 Um, she had love and everything, but it was kind of battened down behind. 534 00:49:37.860 --> 00:49:39.420 There's nothing else out there. 535 00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:42.239 So I'll just get on with it, marry a rich bloke and that's my life sorted. 536 00:49:42.300 --> 00:49:46.139 Rose and Martha always had aspirations to do a little bit more in life. 537 00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:55.619 So actually, one of the reasons turn left is so heartbreaking is because it's Donna, because we're seeing, we risk seeing her become who she was before. 538 00:49:55.679 --> 00:50:02.340 Um, which obviously then has repercussions into episodes time when she has everything taken away from her. 539 00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:06.960 Turn left actually succeeds that because you sit there and goes, this is a woman who has gone on such a journey. 540 00:50:07.019 --> 00:50:10.619 That woman who is having so much joy at the beginning of turn left. 541 00:50:10.679 --> 00:50:16.440 To see that woman become who she was before, quite this quite cold, selfish person before. 542 00:50:16.500 --> 00:50:30.000 Um, but actually, I think, What's amazing, and I never noticed it before, but I noticed its day is uh, Donna. goes to Rose, because Rose says, you know, you will come back to me. 543 00:50:30.059 --> 00:50:32.639 And Donna has already sorts, Rose, which is great. 544 00:50:32.699 --> 00:50:39.420 Donna is already on a bit of a journey and going, that woman, who I don't know, is going to be around here somewhere when the Atmos stuff happens. 545 00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:45.360 So she finds Rose and then Rose says to her, you'll come back to me and Donna does go back to her. 546 00:50:45.420 --> 00:50:51.000 And when I 1st watched it, I thought it was because Will says, oh, all the stars are going out. 547 00:50:51.059 --> 00:50:52.320 I can't see the stars anymore. 548 00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:54.360 And that's what makes Donna go to roads. 549 00:50:54.420 --> 00:50:57.119 But actually there's a moment before that, which is brilliant. 550 00:50:57.179 --> 00:50:59.039 I'd never picked up before and it's not overplayed. 551 00:50:59.099 --> 00:51:04.500 But Donna says something, um, about her being selfish or something like that. 552 00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:07.500 Wolf doesn't answer because he's distracted by the stars. 553 00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:10.019 And Donna says, you're meant to tell me I'm not like that. 554 00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:12.360 And Wilf doesn't comfort her. 555 00:51:12.420 --> 00:51:20.940 And it's such a small moment, but it shows just how Will whose automatic response is to comfort Donna and hide her and protect her. 556 00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:26.880 At that moment, even Wolf, doesn't tear around to Donner and go, oh, everything's fine. 557 00:51:26.940 --> 00:51:32.159 Will's just like, no time for your emotional journey right now, Donna, the stars are going out. 558 00:51:32.219 --> 00:51:34.079 I think that's part of the reason. 559 00:51:34.139 --> 00:51:37.199 For me anyway, now I've seen it again, just watching it again. 560 00:51:37.260 --> 00:51:43.139 I've gone in my head, I'm like, that's the reason Donna goes and finds Rose because her home grandfather. 561 00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:45.119 She was expecting it from her mum. 562 00:51:45.179 --> 00:51:46.980 When her mum says, yes, I am disappointed in you. 563 00:51:47.099 --> 00:51:49.199 She knew that would come one day from Sylvia. 564 00:51:49.260 --> 00:51:51.539 She would never expect Wolf to turn his back on her. 565 00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:54.059 And it's underplayed, so it's not as brutal. 566 00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:59.940 But it's the 1st time, she literally says, you're not, you're meant to comfort me here and he doesn't. 567 00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:01.980 He just talks about the stars going out. 568 00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:08.400 And I think that's part of the reason she goes to Rose because she's just like, if my grandad isn't going to comfort me, the world is completely broken. 569 00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:19.260 There's that thing where the script itself addresses Donna's character, by having Rose tell Donna, why the doctor travelled with her. 570 00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:24.539 And it's he thinks you're brilliant and she comes back with I'm useless. 571 00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:25.739 No, I'm useless. 572 00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:31.619 And it's not that travelling with a doctor has made her a better person. 573 00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:34.800 I don't think because right from partners in crime. 574 00:52:34.860 --> 00:52:38.280 She's immediately angry about what happens to Stacy. 575 00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:47.280 And then in Fires of Pompeii, she is so compassionate, you know, and Planet of the Ode, over and over again. 576 00:52:47.340 --> 00:52:57.059 Like the big thing, the big surprise about Donna is a regular character is how immediately compassionate she is and how much she cares about other people. 577 00:52:57.420 --> 00:53:06.239 But she kind of afford to be like that while Sylvia's at her and while everyone's telling her how useless she is. 578 00:53:06.300 --> 00:53:11.400 And the moment she's with the doctor, the doctor thinks she's brilliant and that's what she's like. 579 00:53:11.460 --> 00:53:21.000 And having seen that over the last few episodes, snapping back to a version of Donna, who calls Rocco Mussolini and who shouts at that woman. 580 00:53:21.059 --> 00:53:26.639 Oh, the woman in the street in Leeds, who is yelling at them. 581 00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:28.980 Fair of Duckwood. 582 00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:30.539 Yes, yeah, that's right. 583 00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:42.900 But again, just that tiny moment, she's yelling because the people at number 29 missed a single mortgage payment and they've been carted off to what, dead as prison or something or thrown out onto the street to be homeless. 584 00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:50.340 Just one line of just sort of tiny world building that, you know, the world is just much worse than you thought it was. 585 00:53:51.239 --> 00:53:54.480 Something that occurred to me though, watching that. 586 00:53:54.539 --> 00:54:01.079 You're absolutely right in terms of Donna, but Vera Duckworth shouting about how the nice family at number 29 got kicked out. 587 00:54:01.139 --> 00:54:03.539 They're not living in your house, are they, Vera? 588 00:54:03.599 --> 00:54:04.980 You haven't taken them in. 589 00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:09.000 Because, but she's being, Vera is being, I don't want southerners living here. 590 00:54:09.059 --> 00:54:11.159 You know, that's her point. 591 00:54:11.219 --> 00:54:14.579 You know, I genuinely think that's the point of the scene is it's her going. 592 00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:29.460 Yeah, obviously it's just not looking after her neighbours who've been kicked out, but she's also going, I don't want you lot coming here in the way that Donald then says, you're Mussolini, and in the way that they get, it's about tribalism, that we all, you know, that is except, you know, you see a lot in the world. 593 00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:32.159 But again, I think, yes, Donna has that compassion. 594 00:54:32.219 --> 00:54:37.440 But, Because real life is hard and I think, you know, real life is hard. 595 00:54:37.500 --> 00:54:38.880 You don't get to show that compassion. 596 00:54:38.940 --> 00:54:41.880 Donna's concerns before she meets the doctor are. 597 00:54:41.940 --> 00:54:43.320 I've got to find a job. 598 00:54:43.380 --> 00:54:44.639 I've got to not live with my mum. 599 00:54:44.699 --> 00:54:45.659 I've got to find a job. 600 00:54:45.719 --> 00:54:49.980 And the way she sees it is the only way she can do it is by finding a man. 601 00:54:50.039 --> 00:54:59.579 Um, and Again, a bit like what we talked about earlier on with, you know, talking about the whole punch while 2000 people die on the moon. 602 00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:03.059 It's that's what life is like. 603 00:55:03.119 --> 00:55:05.099 You have to get on with your own life. 604 00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:11.340 We all have to be quite selfish and get on with our own lives because if you show, it's much easier for Donna and the doctor to show compassion. 605 00:55:11.400 --> 00:55:13.019 Donner to show compassion in Pompeii. 606 00:55:13.079 --> 00:55:16.019 Because she's going to fly away at the end of it. 607 00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:17.820 She's not trying to pay a mortgage. 608 00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:22.619 She's not, you know, wondering where her next meal is coming from or how she can pay her next mortgage payment. 609 00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:24.780 I did think Russell explores all that stuff. 610 00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:30.360 I think it's all there under the skin of just what a complicated world we live in. 611 00:55:31.019 --> 00:55:45.119 Well, it's, I mean, that's very true and not just, you know, when there is world disaster or the Titanic has crashed into Buckingham Palace, most people are only 2 or 3 paycheques away from poverty. 612 00:55:45.179 --> 00:55:45.780 Yeah. 613 00:55:45.780 --> 00:55:47.400 Exactly. 614 00:55:47.460 --> 00:56:00.480 Like, if you lose your job and you cannot get your job and you don't have a support network, you're on the street, certainly in Australia and in the UK, within weeks, if you cannot find work. 615 00:56:00.539 --> 00:56:07.019 Yeah, I mean, it's very unlikely, I will ever, ever get a mortgage because I've not got a regular income because of my job being what it is. 616 00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:12.960 You know, Couple of twists in my life, I could be out on the street quite easily. 617 00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:13.500 It could happen. 618 00:56:13.500 --> 00:56:18.179 And I think, you know, that the turn left is saying that all the way through is going, Just think about other people. 619 00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:20.760 You know, because it could be you. 620 00:56:47.820 --> 00:56:50.340 Well, there, listen, that's all we have time for this week. 621 00:56:50.400 --> 00:56:57.960 We'll be back next week for an emotional reunion with everyone we've ever met, plus Daleks in the stolen Earth. 622 00:56:58.019 --> 00:57:13.860 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts, and you can keep up with us at flights for entirety on Facebook, add FTE Podcast on Twitter, and on our website, FlightthroughEntirety.com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger, and Jody into Terra. 623 00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:16.139 Joe, where can people find you? 624 00:57:16.619 --> 00:57:18.360 In the pub. 625 00:57:18.420 --> 00:57:19.800 James said. 626 00:57:19.860 --> 00:57:28.980 But no, you could buy me on Twitter, uh, uh, Joe Litster, J-O-E, L-I-D-S-D-E-R, um, that's about it. 627 00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:29.820 I'm on Instagram. 628 00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:31.619 Um, yeah, if I me there. 629 00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:34.260 Do anything particularly interesting on Twitter. 630 00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:37.199 It's used to do cat videos and things, but you know, I'm there. 631 00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:42.360 So until next time when you reach the Ealing Road, remember to turn left. 632 00:57:42.420 --> 00:57:47.579 After all, there are much worse things than city executives with money who need the practice. 633 00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:49.800 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 634 00:57:49.860 --> 00:57:50.699 Good night. 635 00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:51.480 Good night. 636 00:57:51.539 --> 00:57:51.900 Good night. 637 00:57:55.019 --> 00:58:00.780 That was Flight for Entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, Brendan Jones, Joe Lidster, and James Selwood. 638 00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:04.679 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, Strings performance by Jane Orberg. 639 00:58:04.739 --> 00:58:11.099 This episode, just one thing, was recorded on the 8th of March 2020 and released on the 24th of May. 640 00:58:14.460 --> 00:58:21.179 You know, when Billy Piper told me I had to run into a truck to save the timeline, I just told her to sod off. 641 00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:26.159 That was 2016 and it turns out that since then, everything's been just fine. 642 00:58:27.960 --> 00:58:30.119 That's it on that note. 643 00:58:30.179 --> 00:58:31.559 Yes, for charity. 644 00:58:31.980 --> 00:58:34.980 We're all going to die in poverty. 645 00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:35.699 I know. 646 00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:36.719 All right. 647 00:58:41.099 --> 00:58:42.659 All right. 648 00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:44.099 Thank you so much. 649 00:58:44.159 --> 00:58:46.260 That has been just like really something. 650 00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:47.159 That's been amazing. 651 00:58:47.219 --> 00:58:52.380 So, and just having that kind of having a writer's insight into character sort of thing. 652 00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:53.820 That's been really true. 653 00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:54.420 Yes, thank you. 654 00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:54.780 Thank you. 655 00:58:54.840 --> 00:59:05.940 I'm so glad that we spent that episode talking about Sylvia and Donna mostly and less about, you know, time Beatles and Donna's time anorak. 656 00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:13.920 Yeah, Rod asked me if I owned the official Time Beetle backpack and I had to tell them they didn't make one. 657 00:59:13.980 --> 00:59:15.239 And he's like, I was actually being serious. 658 00:59:15.300 --> 00:59:17.340 What do you mean they didn't make the time people? 659 00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:18.960 I'm amazed they didn't make a time. 660 00:59:19.019 --> 00:59:21.000 Oh, wait a minute, it wasn't Moffat's Doctor Who. 661 00:59:21.059 --> 00:59:21.780 No, no. 662 00:59:21.780 --> 00:59:37.559 I mean, I'd tell you, also, I just thought, one of my favourite moments is, and again, it's what Russell does so brilliantly is when Donna does get sent back, and she's in the wrong place, and she realises she's half a mile away, and she's like, oh, the stake, I'm half a mile away. 663 00:59:37.619 --> 00:59:39.059 That be my reaction. 664 00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:43.139 My reaction would be, fine, I'll save the universe, old kill myself. 665 00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:45.780 You want me to throw myself into a truck to save the universe? 666 00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:46.500 Absolutely. 667 00:59:46.559 --> 00:59:47.579 I'm half a mile away. 668 00:59:47.639 --> 00:59:50.099 I need to run half a mile to make this. 669 00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:51.840 No, no, no. 670 00:59:52.260 --> 00:59:57.119 It's kind of reminiscent of the whole, the ending of the hand of fear. 671 00:59:57.179 --> 01:00:00.360 It's like, this isn't Croydon. 672 01:00:00.420 --> 01:00:02.099 Can you get anything wrong?