WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 14:42:08 1 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:46.799 Hello, dear listener and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast that wouldn't even be mildly surprised by a sudden Dalek invasion right now. 2 00:00:46.859 --> 00:00:49.079 Bring it on 2020. 3 00:00:49.079 --> 00:00:50.520 I'm Nathan. 4 00:00:50.579 --> 00:00:51.479 I'm James. 5 00:00:51.539 --> 00:00:52.859 I'm pizza. 6 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:54.179 And I'm Todd. 7 00:00:54.240 --> 00:01:01.740 Well, it's the end of the world, which is now an honoured tradition at this time of year, but it's the end of the world like you've never seen it before. 8 00:01:01.799 --> 00:01:10.500 Every spinoff, every companion, and nearly every mum turn up to say goodbye to David Tennant's doctor 18 months too early. 9 00:01:10.560 --> 00:01:14.819 It's an all singing, all dancing apocalyptic extravaganza. 10 00:01:14.879 --> 00:01:16.980 It's the stolen earth. 11 00:01:36.120 --> 00:01:39.540 So, we hit Earth running. 12 00:01:39.599 --> 00:01:50.219 We've come straight from the end of the previous episode, and we land in a street where the, what, the last ever milkman in Britain is delivering milk. 13 00:01:50.280 --> 00:01:52.560 It's milk delivered these days. 14 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:55.140 Cotton. 15 00:01:55.980 --> 00:02:07.200 I think it's very definitely, you know, just an attempt to do sort of suburban normality, but all I could think of was John Pertley driving the float for his old dad. 16 00:02:07.260 --> 00:02:11.460 I think Russell missed a Mr. Comeback there for all Jones the Hill. 17 00:02:11.580 --> 00:02:13.680 I just got survival. 18 00:02:13.740 --> 00:02:18.120 I was expecting a Kitling to kidnap that Norman at any second. 19 00:02:18.240 --> 00:02:19.680 Yes, of course. 20 00:02:19.740 --> 00:02:22.379 I'd forgotten the milkman in survival. 21 00:02:22.620 --> 00:02:26.400 I think that this is a really, really well structured scene. 22 00:02:26.639 --> 00:02:29.219 I think it's brilliant. 23 00:02:29.280 --> 00:02:34.259 I mean, the entire precredit sequence is just, I mean, could you ask for anything more perfect than that? 24 00:02:34.319 --> 00:02:35.099 Yeah. 25 00:02:35.159 --> 00:02:37.500 So it starts with the milkman? 26 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:49.560 And then we get, you know, the doctor and Donna arriving, we get earth disappearing from underneath them, and then we get these sort of 2 plot threads, 3 plot threads, don't we? 27 00:02:49.620 --> 00:02:51.479 The 2 spinoffs and Martha. 28 00:02:51.659 --> 00:02:53.639 Martha starts it off. 29 00:02:53.699 --> 00:02:54.479 Yeah. 30 00:02:54.539 --> 00:03:01.020 And then we go to Captain Jack and and them in Torchwood, then to Sarah Jane, and then back to Wilfrid and Sylvia. 31 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:02.460 They always want the women. 32 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:03.360 Yep. 33 00:03:03.360 --> 00:03:05.400 And then Rose with her big gun. 34 00:03:05.460 --> 00:03:14.699 I mean, and she gets to look up at the sky and we get to see, you know, gazillion planets and it's the Marvel's crossover event we never knew we wanted or needed, you know? 35 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:16.139 It's incredible. 36 00:03:16.199 --> 00:03:19.319 It is sort of the, it's the story of Doctor Who, isn't it? 37 00:03:19.379 --> 00:03:21.780 It's Doctor Who, the spinoffs, and Martha. 38 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:26.099 Don't worry, big things will make one for her soon. 39 00:03:26.879 --> 00:03:45.960 Well, I think the amazingly clever thing about it is that it's circular, that every one of the little inset scenes have a character being encouraged to look at the sky, but we don't get to see what's in the sky until Rose turns up and we see it from the milkman's point of view. 40 00:03:46.020 --> 00:03:52.919 So we start an end on the milkman and on that massive reveal, which is just, it's bonkers. 41 00:03:52.979 --> 00:03:57.479 I mean, it is unbelievable, you know, to have the earth moved out of position. 42 00:03:57.539 --> 00:03:59.580 I mean, there's a lot of competition. 43 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:07.259 You know, every single series finale has been huge and has had to sort of outdo the previous one. 44 00:04:07.439 --> 00:04:15.599 And I think at the time people expressed sort of reservations about that or thought it was tiresome or whatever, but I'm absolutely on board with it. 45 00:04:15.659 --> 00:04:18.600 You know, make it huge and and they do. 46 00:04:18.660 --> 00:04:20.160 It's it's mental. 47 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:22.680 It's fantastic. 48 00:04:22.740 --> 00:04:25.920 It's the Doctor Who cinematic universe coming together. 49 00:04:25.980 --> 00:04:28.860 And Russell's ahead of his time on this. 50 00:04:28.920 --> 00:04:32.040 He's sort of assembled the whole team and he throws in everything else. 51 00:04:32.100 --> 00:04:32.819 He throws in. 52 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:39.899 We've got Harriet Jones and Davros and the Daleks and the most seismic event in the Doctor Who universe, which is a regeneration. 53 00:04:40.379 --> 00:04:41.759 We've got all that to come in this episode. 54 00:04:41.819 --> 00:04:48.959 And you know it's special just from the pre-credits teaser and from those endless names swooping past in the opening titles. 55 00:04:49.019 --> 00:04:51.899 It's wildly confident. 56 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:58.740 And I think only a series and a writer at the top of their game could even attempt to pull this off. 57 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:08.279 I agree, and over the course of these 2 episodes, Every single semi-regular character is basically either in it or name checked. 58 00:05:08.339 --> 00:05:08.879 Yeah. 59 00:05:08.879 --> 00:05:19.620 And the fact it says volumes, the fact that they can get back all these people back to the show and they're willing to come back and do these episodes when obviously some of them have very busy schedules. 60 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:20.699 So I think it's amazing. 61 00:05:20.759 --> 00:05:23.579 Yes, and this show made stars of these people. 62 00:05:23.639 --> 00:05:24.480 That's why they're busy. 63 00:05:24.600 --> 00:05:28.980 Well, also, I mean, Rose is almost not in it. 64 00:05:29.699 --> 00:05:33.000 They had scheduling issues. 65 00:05:33.060 --> 00:05:40.319 They had to move the schedule about quite a lot because she was on her honeymoon when this was due to be filmed. 66 00:05:40.740 --> 00:05:45.060 And they almost had to rewrite her out of it. 67 00:05:45.300 --> 00:06:02.399 In fact, I think she got married while Russell was writing one of these episodes and Russell actually bailed on her wedding because the writing of it was so sort of enormously complex and Russell was reaching the end of 4 years of just an incredible amount of work. 68 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:04.139 And he got sick as well. 69 00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:11.339 So, yeah, he skipped out of the wedding and something else as well. 70 00:06:11.579 --> 00:06:14.459 Like a holiday with his husband or something? 71 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:18.540 Like he had to cancel everything like at the last minute to get this finished. 72 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:28.139 Do you know, I'll be a little bit controversial and say that I think if Rose had been written out of this, it might have made it a better story, and that's not a judgement. 73 00:06:28.199 --> 00:06:29.759 That's no judgement on Billy at all. 74 00:06:29.819 --> 00:06:30.600 I love Rose. 75 00:06:30.660 --> 00:06:32.579 I love Billy and it's great to see them back. 76 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:39.000 But Rose's story was in some ways completed, and I think this diminishes the character a little bit. 77 00:06:39.060 --> 00:07:01.019 I think we'll get onto that next week because I agree with you a little bit, but I do like the fact that in this episode, Rose is sidelined, and she discovers that since she's gone, the doctor has built up this huge network of people who, you know, love him and care about him, and she's on the outer. 78 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:02.699 That Zoom call that they have. 79 00:07:02.759 --> 00:07:04.560 Her reaction to Martha. 80 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:05.279 Who are you? 81 00:07:06.540 --> 00:07:09.839 Well, it's good to see that she hasn't changed a tune. 82 00:07:09.899 --> 00:07:12.720 She's still a stroppy little silk-centered so-and-so. 83 00:07:13.620 --> 00:07:23.100 But it's all done with humour and I think that's so great, is that, is that she, she is building up this antagonism towards Martha in a lot of the things that she says. 84 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:29.579 So I think, um, who she, you know, former companion to the doctor or so was I, like things like that. 85 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:33.000 I think there's a payoff next week when they do finally meet. 86 00:07:33.060 --> 00:07:33.839 Yeah. 87 00:07:33.899 --> 00:07:37.800 And this episode is just, I'm just going to put on the table now. 88 00:07:38.699 --> 00:07:51.720 These three, the 3 episodes, this, the 3rd episode in a row, which I would give more than 10 out of 10 to, like from midnight, turn left in this, are just, I don't think they're surpassed in classic or new who. 89 00:07:51.779 --> 00:07:54.899 I was talking 10.2, 10.2, did you turn it up to 11.? 90 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:57.899 No, no, it's 11 out of 10. 91 00:07:58.139 --> 00:08:01.199 These 3 episodes, honestly, that's how I feel. 92 00:08:01.259 --> 00:08:04.199 And I just think it's just extraordinary. 93 00:08:04.259 --> 00:08:07.439 All the buildup through this, then you're wanting rose to meet. 94 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:09.600 Obviously, meet the doctor. 95 00:08:09.660 --> 00:08:11.879 You know that's not going to happen until, you know, the bitter end. 96 00:08:12.420 --> 00:08:15.420 Oh, it's just the anticipation. 97 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:17.819 And everybody's slowly meeting each other. 98 00:08:18.060 --> 00:08:19.439 Yeah. 99 00:08:19.500 --> 00:08:23.399 Well, that was always the thing that we fantasised about as kids as well. 100 00:08:23.459 --> 00:08:35.519 And I think there were new adventures that kind of touched on this, the idea that there were people on earth, you know, living at the same time, who had travelled with the doctor, and we imagine them kind of meeting one another. 101 00:08:35.580 --> 00:08:46.980 And here it gets to happen, you know, that because it's modern TV rather than classic Doctor Who, where such a thing just would never have been possible. 102 00:08:47.039 --> 00:08:50.879 Like, I guess we get the brigadier back in Morden Undead. 103 00:08:50.940 --> 00:08:53.460 But by then, sort of Doctor Who's eating itself a bit. 104 00:08:53.519 --> 00:09:00.240 Here you have people who are invited back for sort of guest roles and we love it. 105 00:09:00.299 --> 00:09:01.500 We love it. 106 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:03.480 And the thing that Russell has done. 107 00:09:03.539 --> 00:09:20.820 The thing, the big triumph of these 4 years is to take a show that fights against the creation of a coherent world, a show where every episode is said in a different time and place, where every episode has a different tone. 108 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:32.220 And it creates a coherent world, not by bringing the cybermen back to do their greatest hits or by constantly referencing previous stories, but by having these characters. 109 00:09:32.279 --> 00:09:34.200 You know, a whole cast of characters. 110 00:09:34.259 --> 00:09:40.139 The doctor has a group of friends who are all really well drawn who we really like. 111 00:09:40.200 --> 00:09:44.700 Um, and we get to see them slowly coming together in his absence. 112 00:09:44.759 --> 00:10:00.840 And in a way, it's like the Christmas invasion only on a small scale because, you know, the Christmas invasion sidelines the doctor and relies on the fact that we have Harriet Jones and Jackie and Mickey and Rose and that we love them and care about them and enjoy watching them. 113 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:04.679 And we're willing to wait for the doctor to turn up. 114 00:10:04.980 --> 00:10:12.120 And so, you know, the doctor's role in this episode is really sort of fairly minimal, isn't it? 115 00:10:12.179 --> 00:10:18.360 It was a kind of journey to the shadow proclamation, which is maybe the least successful part of the episode. 116 00:10:18.419 --> 00:10:25.320 Yeah, I think he had a much, much bigger scale thing in mind for the shadow proclamation. 117 00:10:25.379 --> 00:10:34.500 To me, like he, when I was reading the writer's tale, the list goes on and on and on. 118 00:10:34.559 --> 00:10:43.919 He wanted to bring back every CG monster they'd ever created and get all the prosthetics out as well. 119 00:10:43.980 --> 00:10:49.019 Um, and he was going to bring back Baby Margaret Slithine. 120 00:10:49.679 --> 00:10:57.360 So there is actually a big cartoon that he does of his version of the shadow proclamation because he's a very skilled cartoonist. 121 00:10:57.360 --> 00:11:03.240 And so he draws that version of the shadow proclamation and it's included in the writer's tale. 122 00:11:03.299 --> 00:11:04.980 It's really great. 123 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:10.259 And so that was going to be huge and it does end up being a little bit crab. 124 00:11:10.320 --> 00:11:33.299 Um, well, yeah, yeah, I would agree that it, because what you get, you should get, the woman with the red eyes and her offsider who likes to have visions of the future or a trope that he uses next year where everybody can talk about what's going to happen to a certain character or situations, and then you've got the Judune in the background, and you know, what's the, what's the name of the woman in charge of the shadow proclamation? 125 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:35.100 I think her name is Madge Proclamation? 126 00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:37.019 I think her name is the Shadow Architect. 127 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:39.480 No, she's Magic Proclamation. 128 00:11:39.779 --> 00:11:43.080 Otherwise known as frizzy white hair, what's her name? 129 00:11:43.139 --> 00:11:44.759 From a long line of matches. 130 00:11:47.580 --> 00:11:51.120 Madge is actually not so bad. 131 00:11:51.179 --> 00:11:54.720 And I do enjoy that scene where the dog's not good either. 132 00:11:54.779 --> 00:11:55.440 No, no. 133 00:11:55.500 --> 00:12:00.600 But that scene where the doctor and Donna, and particularly Donna, work out what's going on. 134 00:12:00.659 --> 00:12:06.120 So they've detected like 24 missing planets or 23 missing planets. 135 00:12:06.120 --> 00:12:12.600 And Donna, because she's clever, remember, works out, you know, what the missing planets are. 136 00:12:12.659 --> 00:12:17.340 And then we see the doctor work out what they're for. 137 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:26.700 And her line, her line about I'm a human and I'm just as important as a time lord is super important to the plot as well. 138 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:41.580 No, I like all the, the, all the froth. should I say, like, you know, if you're having copy, all the, all the icing, like, you know, talking about all these planets that we've seen, like, or not seeing like the adipose breeding planet, the Lost Moon of Poosh. 139 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:43.740 They talk about Calufrax Minor. 140 00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:46.860 Yeah, I mean, that's just wonderful. 141 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:49.620 And then, you know, relating things to the bees. 142 00:12:49.679 --> 00:13:04.919 And so although the doctor is somewhat obviously sidelined, um, A lot of the dialogue I actually really enjoy in those scenes, like there's sprinkling of things that just make you smile or there's payoff, you know? 143 00:13:04.980 --> 00:13:12.059 Yeah, even if that woman at the end declares that she's, that they have, they're going to declare, well, right across the universe, and then what does she do? 144 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:13.740 Just sit there and do nothing because they never turn up. 145 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:16.019 Yeah, keep your frizzy white hair on, match. 146 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:29.879 I actually think that that's the doctor rejecting the role that he had in the time war that we're about to sort of see the time war start again and the doctor puts a stop to it. 147 00:13:29.940 --> 00:13:32.039 Like he just says, nope, I'm not going to do that. 148 00:13:32.100 --> 00:13:43.259 And that's important for next episode, you know, the way that this story resolves itself, involves a rejection of that kind of thing, but we're getting ahead of ourselves. 149 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:45.779 And it's also not a grandstanding moment. 150 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:49.200 So, the 10th doctor. just says, I'm just going to go over here now. 151 00:13:49.259 --> 00:13:50.879 And that's how he gets out of it. 152 00:13:51.539 --> 00:13:55.500 We also get Donna's side eye when the doctor speaks Jadoon. 153 00:13:55.559 --> 00:13:57.480 That, worth the price of entry alone. 154 00:13:58.139 --> 00:14:02.220 Let's see another... another wonderful comic moment. 155 00:14:02.279 --> 00:14:19.080 I think Doctor Who is at its best when, when you have, when it's so, there's so much comedy within so much action, you know, that is the joy of Doctor Who, unlike other things that take themselves so seriously, it's the comedy in these situations that are dire. absolutely. 156 00:14:19.139 --> 00:14:22.860 And that's absolutely Russell's strength. 157 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:28.860 He can just pivot between sort of drama and comedy and tragedy and farce just like that. 158 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:32.220 He's so clever at it. he does it so well. 159 00:14:32.340 --> 00:14:38.100 And a lot of the reason that we love the characters is because they're funny. 160 00:14:38.399 --> 00:14:51.899 I think it may be the single biggest difference between the 3rd series and the 4th is that you have Martha, who's perfectly good character, but she doesn't bring a lot of comedy, whereas Donna does and it just elevates things slightly. 161 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:52.799 Yeah. 162 00:14:52.860 --> 00:14:53.519 Yeah. 163 00:15:02.580 --> 00:15:05.940 So I think this story clearly has one aim. 164 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:08.399 And that's just to be event television. 165 00:15:08.460 --> 00:15:11.399 Um, the point is that it's an event. 166 00:15:11.460 --> 00:15:16.440 It doesn't set out to be the best piece of doc whoever, regardless of whether it turns out to be or not. 167 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:27.600 The only equivalence I can think of in the history of the show are the 5 doctors and maybe the Dalek invasion of Earth, they set out to be events for the audience. 168 00:15:27.659 --> 00:15:34.440 And I think you could only do it at this point with the show like an apex of popularity. 169 00:15:34.500 --> 00:15:40.980 You need kind of an enthusiastic receptive audience to be able to deliver this to them. 170 00:15:41.039 --> 00:15:43.440 You need them to be active participants. 171 00:15:43.500 --> 00:16:01.799 And an audience that has been sort of properly watching it for all of this time, or at least aware of it, even if you'd kind of dipped in and out, even if you weren't a committed fan, you would know about Rose and Martha and Donna, and they would have been on the telly and there are news stories about them. 172 00:16:01.860 --> 00:16:15.600 You've got Bernard Cribbons, you know, you've got mums, all of these minor characters that people remember, you know, Harriet Jones is huge in a Christmas special, which was watched by, you know, how many people, 10000000 people or whatever. 173 00:16:15.659 --> 00:16:17.700 You just can't do it otherwise. 174 00:16:17.759 --> 00:16:21.299 And if you compare it, I think the 5 doctors is the nearest equivalent. 175 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:30.000 And if you compare it to the 5 doctors, you know, Liz Shaw is in it or whatever and kind of like we love Liz Shaw, but frankly, who cares? 176 00:16:30.360 --> 00:16:36.960 Whereas this has earned the right to do all of this stuff. 177 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:56.639 And all of the little kids who are watching Sarah Jane adventures get to see Luke and Sarah Jane, they get that, they get that moment, the 1st moment when it's made clear that Mr. Smith's fanfare is diagetic, that it can be heard by the people in the room and isn't just added in post-production. 178 00:16:57.240 --> 00:16:59.220 It's so great. 179 00:16:59.279 --> 00:17:00.360 It's okay. 180 00:17:00.419 --> 00:17:10.740 And the people who are watching Torchwood get to see, you know, after that horrible, horrible finale where Tosh and Owen are killed. 181 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:19.500 Now you get them back in a sort of fun, silly Doctor Who story with Yanto doing jokes and all of that sort of thing. 182 00:17:19.559 --> 00:17:29.400 It's hilarious that you compare it to the 5 doctors because, like, I mean, who would who would be the Richard Herndel character, like, I kind of think, they could have got Billy Piper. 183 00:17:29.460 --> 00:17:31.559 Maybe they could have got the doctor's daughter back for that role. 184 00:17:31.680 --> 00:17:32.519 Do you know what I mean? 185 00:17:32.579 --> 00:17:33.839 That's true. 186 00:17:33.900 --> 00:17:37.259 Well, they could have just recast it with Sonya. 187 00:17:38.579 --> 00:17:52.200 I think the relationship with the audience is key to these episodes, and you talk about sort of kids watching and having, you know, these kids would have had like action figures which they would have brought and they would have put characters together. 188 00:17:52.259 --> 00:18:00.900 They would have had Donna and Rose and Jack, having a scene together, or they would have had Rose hang out with Wilf and Sylvia, and we get all of that here. 189 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:03.119 We get that kind of mixing up for the characters. 190 00:18:03.180 --> 00:18:14.519 Well, Russell actually described his creative process with this story as, I wanted this to be something the kids would play in the playground. 191 00:18:14.579 --> 00:18:20.880 I wanted this to be a crossover that a child would make with their action figures. 192 00:18:20.940 --> 00:18:22.619 Did he say that? 193 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:23.880 Oh, okay, I haven't read that. 194 00:18:23.940 --> 00:18:25.259 But yeah, no, you definitely get that. 195 00:18:25.319 --> 00:18:27.779 But all the characters get their moments. 196 00:18:27.839 --> 00:18:44.700 Like, having Liz Sladen react to exterminate first, I think, is just marvellous, because it's for us classic fans, we know this, but for the new people watching it as well. 197 00:18:44.759 --> 00:18:47.339 It's like, oh, she knows about them. 198 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:48.240 Do you know what I mean? 199 00:18:48.299 --> 00:18:51.779 Like, it just ties in little plot points like that, you know? 200 00:18:51.839 --> 00:18:54.720 The doctor says someone tried to move the earth once before. 201 00:18:54.779 --> 00:19:05.819 Like, it's a throwaway line, but, you know, I thought it was Dalek invasion of earth, but Peter, you were saying before that you thought it was more the mysterious planet, like, you know? 202 00:19:05.940 --> 00:19:08.339 Well, that was the 1st thing that occurred to me. 203 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:10.619 I mean, it makes sense to be Daleks in context of the story. 204 00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:18.359 In fact, we get the Dalek music before the opening credits, before we know that the Daleks are involved. 205 00:19:18.420 --> 00:19:24.119 We get the Dalek music when we see the shot of the planets for the 1st time. 206 00:19:24.720 --> 00:19:36.180 Let's talk about the Daleks because, I mean, this is the best that they've ever been, I think, and they haven't been as good as this since then, ever. 207 00:19:36.299 --> 00:19:42.960 So you get Dalek sources, you know, attacking New York, flying down Broadway, you know. 208 00:19:43.019 --> 00:19:44.099 Exterminate, tortured. 209 00:19:45.420 --> 00:19:47.279 Were they fans? 210 00:19:47.339 --> 00:19:48.720 They're also fans. 211 00:19:48.779 --> 00:19:53.220 Russell wanted to destroy New York in one of the scripts. 212 00:19:53.220 --> 00:20:04.920 In one of the, in one of the drafts of the script, Russell was planning to destroy New York, but then went, maybe that'll stuff up um, series 5 for Moffatt. 213 00:20:04.980 --> 00:20:12.480 But also perhaps, given that this is 2008, it's perhaps not in the best possible taste. 214 00:20:12.539 --> 00:20:25.140 But you can see why they do it because he's already established that New York is a city that gets rebuilt and rebuilt and rebuilt, you know, and that exists as a kind of symbol of humanity for 1000000000s of years. 215 00:20:25.200 --> 00:20:31.500 So you can sort of tell that he's toying with it and that's clearly why Martha's there because New York is important. 216 00:20:31.559 --> 00:20:42.720 Yeah, it's such a shame, however, that, like, you don't have familiar unit characters there to be killed off, like that fool who's in charge of units back in the two-parter earlier in the season. 217 00:20:42.779 --> 00:20:44.640 I mean, Colonel Mace. 218 00:20:44.700 --> 00:20:47.400 Yeah, because... 219 00:20:47.400 --> 00:20:49.980 Deserve to be exterminated. 220 00:20:50.039 --> 00:20:59.819 Well, in fact, they get someone much better and much more interesting to play the lead in unit and that scene with Martha, where she's on the phone to Jack. 221 00:20:59.880 --> 00:21:00.779 It's just wonderful. 222 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:01.920 She's on the phone to Jack. 223 00:21:01.980 --> 00:21:04.019 She's been in Torchwood for a few episodes. 224 00:21:04.079 --> 00:21:13.500 He makes a sort of sly reference, voice of a nightingale, is a reference to series 2 of Torchwood, where she does, what, 3 episodes? 225 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:27.779 And having him talk to her while she's sort of making this decision, having general, whatever his name is, kind of, say, you answer to me, you don't answer to torchwood, having Jack begging her not to use the indigo project. 226 00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:29.039 All of that stuff. 227 00:21:29.099 --> 00:21:40.440 There's such a scale to it and it is just what we would have wished would happen. you know, has that got to be a joke of Russell's calling it the indigo project because it was salvaged from Santaran hardware. 228 00:21:40.500 --> 00:21:45.000 And for some inexplicable reason, that 2 potter is bathed in purple light. 229 00:21:45.420 --> 00:21:47.519 That was deliberate, yes. 230 00:21:49.440 --> 00:22:00.000 I think it's amazing having the Daleks involved in seeing everyone's reaction to them because it's a reminder of just how woven into the fabric of Doctor Who that the Daleks are. 231 00:22:00.059 --> 00:22:02.700 So Sarah was there at their creation. 232 00:22:02.759 --> 00:22:05.039 Jack was killed by them. 233 00:22:05.099 --> 00:22:10.619 Martha's thinking back to her terrifying encounter with a dalek kloac or in a pinstripe suit. 234 00:22:11.519 --> 00:22:17.460 The individual reactions to the Dalek voice are superb because they're the audience reaction. 235 00:22:17.579 --> 00:22:21.359 It's every time you have a 1st night with the Daleks and the old series. 236 00:22:21.420 --> 00:22:25.859 It's every time you know that they're coming back for a season finale in the new series. 237 00:22:25.920 --> 00:22:26.940 Yeah. 238 00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:30.539 People were complaining at the time that there were too many Daleks. 239 00:22:30.599 --> 00:22:34.259 We have Daleks in 3 out of 4 of Russell series finales. 240 00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:40.740 And I just kind of think that's like saying like too much chocolate or, you know, like too many martinis. 241 00:22:40.799 --> 00:22:41.579 It's absurd. 242 00:22:41.700 --> 00:22:43.500 You know, you're watching Doctor Who. 243 00:22:43.559 --> 00:22:44.759 There's daleks in it. 244 00:22:44.819 --> 00:22:48.539 Remember those long stretches where we had no Daleks at all. 245 00:22:48.599 --> 00:22:56.279 And sure, you know, that allowed people to explore and do other things, but the show hasn't been short of creativity for the last 4 years. 246 00:22:56.339 --> 00:22:59.819 And the Daleks here are magnificent. 247 00:22:59.819 --> 00:23:03.660 And they take so many cues from Dalek Invasion of Earth, don't they? 248 00:23:03.720 --> 00:23:05.039 Even catchphrases. 249 00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:06.839 The descendants. 250 00:23:06.900 --> 00:23:12.480 Yes, the males, the females, the descendants, you know, we are the masters of earth. 251 00:23:12.539 --> 00:23:19.140 All of that stuff. just classic 60s Daleks only on a massive budget. 252 00:23:19.200 --> 00:23:20.039 It's so good. 253 00:23:20.099 --> 00:23:30.839 And on that level, I mean, the most meta that the story could possibly be, having Wilf fighting the Daleks after having fought them on the big screen in the 60s. 254 00:23:31.319 --> 00:23:34.500 You know that was actually a suggestion. 255 00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:52.380 The paint gun scene was a suggestion by Bernard Cribben's to Russell. saying, you know, I think would be great if I got to shoot a Dalek because there was a reference, like he wanted a reference to his original story. 256 00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:57.359 And then he ad-lived that line about swapping the BFG with Rose as well. 257 00:23:57.779 --> 00:24:01.319 But also my vision is not impaired. 258 00:24:01.380 --> 00:24:03.480 Yes, so good. 259 00:24:03.539 --> 00:24:05.279 So brilliant. 260 00:24:05.339 --> 00:24:12.779 And even just the look of it, because you think he's he's done it, and then, you know, the paint sort of bubbles off and starts sort of dropping away. 261 00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:14.039 Like it just looks so good. 262 00:24:14.099 --> 00:24:16.019 It's the garlic's reactions. 263 00:24:16.079 --> 00:24:17.880 It's their relationships with each character. 264 00:24:17.940 --> 00:24:19.019 Even Harriet Jones. 265 00:24:19.079 --> 00:24:22.319 They have a relationship with Harriet Jones, former PM. 266 00:24:22.380 --> 00:24:23.940 Yes, we know who you are. 267 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:29.160 I must have written that at 3 o'clock in the morning, chortling away to himself. 268 00:24:30.059 --> 00:24:35.700 And they, there's, there is a sort of slight crap homespunness to the Daleks. 269 00:24:35.759 --> 00:24:40.680 They're definitely aliens conceived of in the 1960s by Terry Nation. 270 00:24:40.740 --> 00:24:43.019 And the show doesn't hide away from that. 271 00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:52.319 You know, Dalek in series one, tried to create them, recreate them as a credible threat, you know, as something really, truly terrifying. 272 00:24:52.380 --> 00:24:56.579 And so the script upgrades the Daleks there. 273 00:24:56.640 --> 00:25:06.000 But once you have sort of 200 ships and 1000s of Daleks, they can afford to be a bit cheesy and sort of lean into the show's history. 274 00:25:06.059 --> 00:25:07.200 And I just think it's wonderful. 275 00:25:07.380 --> 00:25:10.859 Dialects do not accept human apologies. 276 00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:13.380 You know, it's so good. 277 00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:15.480 And attack pattern seven. 278 00:25:15.539 --> 00:25:17.220 Remember Dialect Attack pattern 7? 279 00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:28.380 There's that family that refuses to stay out on the street that wants to go back into the house and the guy throws a brick and the family all goes inside and they go Dalek attack pattern 7. 280 00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:32.519 And Dalek Attack Patent 7 is clearly just 3 Dalek standing in a line. 281 00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:37.740 And then and then they blow up the house. 282 00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:39.420 And it's so great. 283 00:25:39.480 --> 00:25:41.160 It's so superb. 284 00:25:41.220 --> 00:25:48.059 But I like the fact that he adds a new element to it, which, of course, is the creator, Davros. 285 00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:59.099 And I have to wonder at the time, what knew who fans actually thought of the person in the shadows, what is this person in the shadows and then actually seeing it for the 1st time, you know, with no reference really to it. 286 00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:03.359 For us, it's like, you know, we know who that is. and 0 my goodness, what a performance. 287 00:26:03.420 --> 00:26:11.039 But with no previous reference isn't an element that adds to the story for people who've only known knew who. 288 00:26:11.099 --> 00:26:12.539 It's just a question. 289 00:26:12.660 --> 00:26:28.079 So there's a, there's an oblique reference to Davros in Dalek, and I think there's an oblique reference in the Dalek 2 parter in series 3 as well, to, you know, them having a creator and so on. 290 00:26:28.140 --> 00:26:31.019 And so maybe knew who people have that. 291 00:26:31.079 --> 00:26:34.680 But remember that Davros, I think, is huge. 292 00:26:34.740 --> 00:26:41.339 He's one of the mythic things that Classic Doctor Who created. 293 00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:45.660 He's rooted in popular culture, along with the Daleks, the Sidemen and the Master. 294 00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:48.539 It's those 3 and Davros from the original series. 295 00:26:48.660 --> 00:26:50.640 And we've said this before. 296 00:26:50.700 --> 00:27:01.380 He introduces Russell reintroduces the Daleks in series one, the Cybermen in series 2, the Master in series 3, and Davros in series 4. 297 00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:06.059 And so he brings to New Who all of that mythology. 298 00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:07.200 Not all at once. 299 00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:10.440 It's not the opening speech of the TV movie. 300 00:27:10.500 --> 00:27:20.279 He holds his fire and brings them out in order. so that knew who owns it as much as we do. 301 00:27:20.339 --> 00:27:25.200 I did just question at the time whether certain people would actually know what that is. 302 00:27:25.259 --> 00:27:27.480 You know, obviously there's so much other fanfare going on. 303 00:27:27.539 --> 00:27:33.599 It doesn't matter if one element doesn't quite work for somebody, but it's just something that has always been a question in my mind. 304 00:27:34.019 --> 00:27:40.500 I think it, the dialogue makes it very clear eventually that, you know, who Davros is. 305 00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:47.519 And so having him, this mysterious, shadowy, dalek like figure with that fabulous music from Murray. 306 00:27:47.579 --> 00:27:50.759 Um, like I think that that works on its own terms. 307 00:27:51.059 --> 00:27:54.599 And he's very physically distinctive, I think, Davrell. 308 00:27:54.660 --> 00:27:59.339 So even if people hadn't watched the show and didn't really know who he was, they would recognise the image of him. 309 00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:00.839 I mean, he's not the macra. 310 00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:07.559 They, um, you know, they they were going to approach Terry Malloy to return at one point. 311 00:28:10.259 --> 00:28:19.980 And also, they, they didn't, they didn't give him a name in the, well, they called him Dave Ross in the script. 312 00:28:20.099 --> 00:28:26.940 Yeah, they were calling him Dave, I think, on set, you know, just to sort of hide the fact that it was Stavrost coming back. 313 00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:33.240 I think that Julian Bleach is the best Davros. 314 00:28:33.299 --> 00:28:34.559 Because. 315 00:28:34.619 --> 00:28:37.440 My cool issue is turning in his grave. 316 00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:40.079 I think Michael Wisher is very good. 317 00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:47.099 But the mask is nowhere near as good as the mask that bleach gets. 318 00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:51.900 And so that means that Bleach gets to give like a proper performance. 319 00:28:51.960 --> 00:29:08.519 And what he nails is the 2 registers that Davros has, the sort of quiet, thoughtful, menacing sort of register and the sort of huge shouty register as well. 320 00:29:08.579 --> 00:29:15.420 And because he's, he's got a better mask, we can see inside his mouth, his face is more mobile. 321 00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:17.640 I know, yeah, yeah. 322 00:29:17.700 --> 00:29:21.480 And we sort of had them, didn't we, with Michael Wisher, but... 323 00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:22.920 They were just an HST. 324 00:29:23.339 --> 00:29:25.200 Sorry, Michael. 325 00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:29.640 The big book of British smiles. 326 00:29:30.299 --> 00:29:37.440 I like to think of the 2nd registrar of Dan Ross's voice as being his branded burglaration. 327 00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:53.460 Yeah, well, I mean, they, you know, I think that remembrance of the Daleks makes a very, very clear parallel between Hitler on television during the Second World War and and, you know, Davros, the way that he shouts as well. 328 00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:55.859 I'm sorry, I've been mispronouncing that. 329 00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:57.420 It should be Dar Ross. 330 00:29:57.480 --> 00:29:58.380 Dar Ross. 331 00:29:58.380 --> 00:29:59.220 Dar Ross. 332 00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:01.259 Dar Ross is coming. 333 00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:22.019 We'll talk more about him next week because I think that as we discover his plan and, you know, when we get him interacting with the doctor in person, I think we get to see how genuinely good he is. 334 00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:27.900 It's interesting how all of these separate sort of plot prints come together. 335 00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:35.940 With the doctor and Donna being in the TARDIS and the trail stops dead, the Medusa Cascade, and the doctor sort of gives up. 336 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:38.460 It's a bit like Colin Baker in Venice on Varos, really. 337 00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:40.140 Yeah, he's out of Zeiton 7. 338 00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:41.400 He doesn't know what to do next. 339 00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:48.299 Maybe Donna could have brought him the TARDIS manual and that would have set off a, you know, wonderful plot thread. 340 00:30:48.599 --> 00:31:04.200 I'm not sure that that works that scene because the doctor, you know, but I guess we want to make it clear just how sort of truly defeated he feels or how big the thread is. 341 00:31:04.259 --> 00:31:10.319 And it also, of course, gives Catherine Tate the chance to sort of act against him while he's not doing anything. 342 00:31:10.380 --> 00:31:13.680 And of course, she's as magnificent as she always is. 343 00:31:13.740 --> 00:31:16.380 Yeah, it's building the scale of the thread, isn't it? 344 00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:17.460 Yes, it is. 345 00:31:17.700 --> 00:31:28.079 But that whole moment meant, you know, you then get Harriet Jones coming in, you get the subway network, you get, you know, all that comedy stuff. 346 00:31:28.140 --> 00:31:31.200 She wouldn't let me have a webcam because they're naughty. 347 00:31:31.259 --> 00:31:33.779 I mean, that is just one of the most hilarious things ever. 348 00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:36.299 Rose going off, but, you know, Martha. 349 00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:39.059 And having the flashback with Martha, you know, with her mum. 350 00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:43.440 I mean, you came home at the end of the world, you came back to me. 351 00:31:43.500 --> 00:31:45.000 Thanks, Francine. 352 00:31:45.059 --> 00:31:51.000 It's always about you Still a much more mellow version of Francine than we've seen. 353 00:31:51.059 --> 00:31:51.599 That's true. 354 00:31:51.660 --> 00:31:52.500 Yeah, that's true. 355 00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:53.819 I mean, I like her a lot more. 356 00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:54.779 I still don't love her. 357 00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:56.880 But it's great to have that, you know. 358 00:31:56.940 --> 00:32:10.500 And and and I love the fact that the subwave network was created by the Mr. Copper Foundation going back to the Christmas special, like it's a subtle little tie in, but it's a payoff for everybody who's been watching to go, oh. 359 00:32:10.859 --> 00:32:16.079 You know, Russell was actually planning to bring back the famous miserable bastard in this episode. 360 00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:21.180 Yes, it was a very begrudging corporation. 361 00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:25.680 He was going to bring back Russell Toby as a companion for this story as well. 362 00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:27.180 Really? 363 00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:27.599 Yeah. 364 00:32:27.660 --> 00:32:48.480 I mean, he will get to bring Russell Tovey back at the end of next year or, you know, but he was really throwing everything he could possibly throw at the script and working around availability and and just kind of what was practical, you know, in sort of 2 inflated episodes. 365 00:32:48.539 --> 00:32:52.619 But James, what I love is the fact that Russell does have all these ideas. 366 00:32:52.740 --> 00:33:09.720 It's about bringing back all these things and he'll, he'll do a draft or whatever, and then something will not practically work and realise, no, no, no, that's not right, or, or that's not going to work in this instance, or it's just serendipity, that they can't be brought back, and it sort of all just works out beautifully. for him. 367 00:33:09.779 --> 00:33:21.660 Like there's just something magical about this time on the show where decisions are made, whether they be 2 or 3 years ago and they're all paying off now and he makes decisions in scripts or people aren't available and it just works out, you know? 368 00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:23.700 You know, Todd Talent will win out in the end. 369 00:33:23.819 --> 00:33:27.480 Russell is just supremely talented and makes it look easy. 370 00:33:27.539 --> 00:33:28.740 Yeah. 371 00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:45.299 I think it's really well worth going back to the writer's tale and rereading the sections on this because all of this, just seeing him creates and winnow ideas and and reject things and and be sorry that things don't work out and stuff. 372 00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:52.680 Just having that incredible access to his creative process is really, really interesting, I think. 373 00:33:52.799 --> 00:34:01.859 I think also you can underestimate the amount of creativity and wit is needed to pull off a story like this. 374 00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:08.039 I mean, it's television before it's time with kind of crossover universes and characters coming back and everything. 375 00:34:08.099 --> 00:34:19.500 J and T had a sense of this kind of thing way back in the 80s, but he didn't really have the wit to pull it off or more importantly, the audience goodwill, I think, to pull it off. 376 00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:24.900 The only point where he ever really successfully made event TV like this was Earthshock. 377 00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:31.559 And I think that's because that was part of his only genuinely successful season of Doctor Who. 378 00:34:31.619 --> 00:34:35.699 So, many writers and many showrunners could have attempted this. 379 00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:37.260 I think very few could have pulled it off. 380 00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:50.219 Yeah, I don't think we, you know, like I think, um, Stephen Moffatt is a supremely talented writer, and you know, someone that we're very lucky to have had in charge of the show for so long. 381 00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:53.639 He's written more Doctor Who on screen than anyone else at all. 382 00:34:53.699 --> 00:34:58.139 But this is not what he's interested in. 383 00:34:58.860 --> 00:35:02.519 And it's not playing to his wheelhouse. 384 00:35:02.579 --> 00:35:16.199 And for me, I've said before so many times that I feel sad about a version of Doctor Who that's just the doctor and a companion and they have no friends and they don't exist in a world. 385 00:35:16.260 --> 00:35:31.380 And Russell has just made something so spectacular that the show hasn't properly attempted again, maybe a little bit in the tubinal era, to try and give the show a sort of earthbound context. 386 00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:34.019 And I think that that's what the show needs. 387 00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:37.440 It's like the unit era, only writ large. 388 00:35:37.500 --> 00:35:39.000 Absolutely. 389 00:35:39.059 --> 00:35:42.900 Doctor Who has family and the audience or willing participants in that. 390 00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:43.860 We're all part of the family. 391 00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:48.119 Yeah It's like fandom, actually, but it's extended to the general viewership. 392 00:35:48.179 --> 00:35:48.780 Yeah. 393 00:35:48.840 --> 00:35:50.699 Yeah, well, that was it. 394 00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:52.619 They all got invited in to enjoy our thing. 395 00:35:52.739 --> 00:35:59.579 And people who are down on Russell for being populist, I think, miss the fact that that was the point. 396 00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:00.840 It was inviting everybody in. 397 00:36:00.900 --> 00:36:08.219 It was a Saturday night family drama on a mainstream broadcast channel. 398 00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:10.440 It needs to be populous entertainment. 399 00:36:10.500 --> 00:36:16.800 And that's the point that, Although I really love a lot of what Moffatt did. 400 00:36:16.860 --> 00:36:22.559 He's making it for the fans after series 5, it's being made for the fans. 401 00:36:22.619 --> 00:36:32.639 And, you know, Chipwell attempted to do that again in series 11, but, you know, probably went too far. 402 00:36:32.699 --> 00:36:36.659 And then went completely in the opposite direction the next season. 403 00:36:37.019 --> 00:36:39.960 I think there is a midpoint to be chartered there. 404 00:36:40.019 --> 00:36:44.880 I mean, I understand that there are arguments from some people who say that Russell was too populist. 405 00:36:44.940 --> 00:36:48.059 I don't necessarily agree with that, but I understand where it's coming from. 406 00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:53.639 I think there's a midpoint to be chartered, and I think Moffatt did actually get that quite right for a couple of seasons. 407 00:36:53.699 --> 00:36:56.639 But there's no denying Russell's instincts here. 408 00:36:56.699 --> 00:36:57.480 His instincts are correct. 409 00:36:58.019 --> 00:37:08.699 And also when he decides to kill off one of our um, semi-regulars in Harriet Jones, um, there has to be some sort of price to pay. 410 00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:11.340 You know, he's not going to kill off certain people at this point in time. 411 00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:21.659 And to have it be her and not see it, but hear it, you know, the way it's written is and structured is just brilliant. 412 00:37:21.780 --> 00:37:24.719 Like, you can feel it. about that. 413 00:37:24.780 --> 00:37:26.219 No, no, no, Russia's not dead. 414 00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:28.500 She dropped through a trap door and escaped on a motorbike. 415 00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:38.159 Russell secretly thinks that he he, the fun thing about Russell's approach to the show is that he's a fan of his own version of Doctor Who in a way that we are. 416 00:37:38.219 --> 00:37:41.820 And so he makes jokes about Chancellor Flavia. 417 00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:43.260 And he has this theory. 418 00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:49.079 I think, again, in the writer's tale, isn't there a cartoon of Harriet Jones escaping the Taleks? 419 00:37:49.139 --> 00:37:51.599 So he's engaged with it on that same level. 420 00:37:51.659 --> 00:37:58.380 Obviously, Harriet Jones dies and in part as penance for her destruction of the secret acts at Christmas day. 421 00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:03.179 But, you know, Russell is still having fun with his own show. 422 00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:07.860 But he's left it, he's left it so that you, you know, they say exterminate. 423 00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:09.179 She could escape, right? 424 00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:16.500 Like if you wanted to bring her back now, like some showrunner could say, well, she actually did escape. 425 00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:18.659 It's a bit like a milk. was teleported where it last minute. 426 00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:26.219 It's a bit like Melrose place where they kill off Kimberly offscreen and then she comes back half a season later with a wig and a big scar. 427 00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:36.599 Like, I mean, it's that sort of thing that he just knows when to leave things open enough that if you wanted to, Big Finish could come in and do 15 box sets of Harriet Jones. 428 00:38:36.659 --> 00:38:39.599 You know, they probably will if they can get Penelope Wilton. 429 00:38:39.659 --> 00:38:43.980 And James, you said she might have been teleported away. did this not remind you? 430 00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:47.880 There was just enough wiggle room to have server land in the teleport in terminal, you know? 431 00:38:47.940 --> 00:38:48.539 Oh, yes. 432 00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:13.500 So, of course, with her extermination, the subwave network is transferred to Torchwood, um, We're all talking to the doctor at this point, aren't we? 433 00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:14.880 We're all about to talk to the doctor. 434 00:39:14.940 --> 00:39:15.719 Yeah. 435 00:39:15.780 --> 00:39:16.380 Yeah. 436 00:39:16.380 --> 00:39:18.000 And that call goes through. 437 00:39:18.059 --> 00:39:27.300 And that's just a glorious moment when they're all on their phones, you know, trying to get the signal through to the doctor and then they're all appearing and all, who's that? 438 00:39:27.300 --> 00:39:27.780 and all. 439 00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:34.139 I mean, let's just get that one front on shot of Gwen typing away at the thing, which is used about 5 different times. 440 00:39:35.099 --> 00:39:43.800 But when the doctor finally comes in on the Zoom call, like it is, it's so great and he's so excited to see them all and so incredibly happy. 441 00:39:43.860 --> 00:39:53.159 And my favourite thing, and it comes up again next week, is that, of course, the thing that we all know about Jack is that he hits on people all the time. 442 00:39:53.219 --> 00:39:54.599 So he hits on Chanto. 443 00:39:54.659 --> 00:39:57.480 He hits on Martha in Utopia when he comes back. 444 00:39:58.019 --> 00:40:03.539 He hits on Sarah in this call and Sarah really likes it. 445 00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:04.079 Like she. 446 00:40:04.380 --> 00:40:09.780 Ooh, she's, you know, sort of quite flattered, but he doesn't hit on Donna because Donna hits on him. 447 00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:12.300 Like Donna is going, who's that? 448 00:40:12.420 --> 00:40:20.579 and pointing to the screen and kind of doing sort of hilarious comedy, sort of sexy face on the call, and she will do that next week. 449 00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:27.480 Jack never hits on Donna because Donna is more sexually confident and more outgoing than Jack. 450 00:40:28.739 --> 00:40:45.659 And then, of course, some good old, you know, the doctor in that moment as well, of course, is sad that that Rose is not there. and then and then something's coming through and you think, oh, could it be, but you know it's going to be Darrox? 451 00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:51.239 And I'm so and I'm so glad that Sarah even gets to react to to just that, that, you know? 452 00:40:51.300 --> 00:40:57.659 It's little touches like that, that make the writing so good that she gets that moment in the midst of everything else. 453 00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:01.559 And of course, we'll have the utter fangasm pay off to that next week. 454 00:41:01.619 --> 00:41:04.139 But I mean, think about the 5 doctors. 455 00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:05.039 Do you know what I mean? 456 00:41:05.099 --> 00:41:17.880 Like, in the 5 doctors, at the very end, on the top floor of the tower, They're all there and like the brigadier is there and all of these people who should be surprised to see one another and who never react to one another at all. 457 00:41:17.940 --> 00:41:20.880 But Russell doesn't let that happen here. 458 00:41:20.940 --> 00:41:25.199 And so having Sarah react, recognise Davros. 459 00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:50.579 And, you know, he decides that he has to make them interact in some way, just as you said before, Todd, where it's Sarah who gets to hear about the Daleks 1st because, you know, she met them twice and met them in this incredible story from the 1970s and then having her respond to Davros's voice and having Davros recognise her later. 460 00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:51.780 It's so good. 461 00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:53.159 I mean, it's so good. 462 00:41:53.219 --> 00:41:54.659 Without weighing it down. 463 00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:56.039 It didn't have to weigh it down. 464 00:41:56.099 --> 00:42:02.940 It didn't have to be something that you had to read a whole heap of Peter Haning coffee table books to understand. 465 00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:05.940 I just love the fact that, yes, the classic series fans. 466 00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:06.420 It's there. 467 00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:10.079 But it's also a way of saying to you who fans. 468 00:42:10.139 --> 00:42:13.199 Well, come on, you need to come and watch some of these old stories. 469 00:42:13.260 --> 00:42:16.739 It's very subtle and I really love the fact that that's there. 470 00:42:16.860 --> 00:42:19.079 And Russell knows his audience. 471 00:42:19.139 --> 00:42:20.400 He knows how to pick and choose. 472 00:42:20.460 --> 00:42:30.420 And so he's not referring to, you know, the leisure hive or Meglos, who's referring to possibly the most famous story from the original run, Genesis of the Daleks. 473 00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:35.280 So even the wider viewership is going to have some awareness of this fact, I think. 474 00:42:35.340 --> 00:42:40.199 Yeah, and, you know, we've already heard about Sarah travelling with a doctor. 475 00:42:40.260 --> 00:42:45.900 We had her give her laundry list of things that she'd encountered during her time with him. 476 00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:50.460 So even if you've only watched the new series. 477 00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:57.179 You're not going to be surprised that Sarah recognises the Daleks and Sarah recognises Davros's voice. 478 00:42:57.360 --> 00:43:07.440 And of course, all of that then runs into, you know, the doctor having a bit of a confrontation with Davros, but then it's like, you know, I've only got one thing to say to you. 479 00:43:07.500 --> 00:43:08.579 Bye. 480 00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:11.280 So David said it. 481 00:43:11.340 --> 00:43:12.179 It's so cool. 482 00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:18.360 And, and, and, and it then just sets off the chain of events to the cliffhanger with everybody in peril. 483 00:43:18.900 --> 00:43:23.519 I just think this cliffhanger is unbelievably great. 484 00:43:23.579 --> 00:43:25.139 Amazing Yeah. 485 00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:28.800 Like possibly the best one ever, but certainly up there. 486 00:43:28.860 --> 00:43:44.940 And so the, very early on in the episode, like in that sort of 1st scene in the Tardis, um, where Donna says, but I know everything's terrible, but Rose's coming back isn't that good. 487 00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:54.719 And you see David Tennant, and for a 2nd you wonder whether he's going to say, that's not important, it's all too dangerous or whatever, but he just is so genuine. 488 00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:58.920 You know, like Tenet is so artificial in his performance so often. 489 00:43:58.980 --> 00:44:05.039 But here he's just genuinely excited that he's going to see Rose again and it's beautiful. 490 00:44:05.099 --> 00:44:06.300 It's so lovely. 491 00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:20.940 And again, Donna gets this incredible role in that scene where she appears and the doctor's back is to her and Donna sees her 1st and she smiles in this subtle way. 492 00:44:20.940 --> 00:44:22.320 Totally. 493 00:44:22.380 --> 00:44:25.139 And, you know, when she says, ask her yourself. 494 00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:40.739 Like, you know, the emotion in that, and you can just, I just, you know, feel waves of emotion go over my whole person every time I watch that combined with Murray's music and that whole run, like, and the looks, and it's just this payoff. 495 00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:49.800 Julie Gardner's talked about that, the fact that the doctor running towards Rose is so big and romantic, the full on pelt that he sort of puts on. 496 00:44:49.860 --> 00:44:55.559 And it's the 1st thing that him and Rose ever do together is hold hands and run. 497 00:44:55.679 --> 00:45:00.300 You know, running is what they do and it was what their relationship was about. 498 00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:07.679 You know, like many people I sometimes found rose and Tennant kind of irritating together in series 2. 499 00:45:07.860 --> 00:45:09.840 And I think that was partly by design. 500 00:45:09.900 --> 00:45:12.239 I think you know, Russell intended it. 501 00:45:12.300 --> 00:45:17.880 So I wasn't one of those people who sort of ship the doctor and rose in a sort of tumbler kind of way. 502 00:45:18.420 --> 00:45:26.460 But nevertheless, I'm absolutely sold by the romance of that run. 503 00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:30.300 And just, of course, a dalek comes and shoots in. 504 00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:31.320 Of course, that happens. 505 00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:33.840 Russell whipping the rug out from underneath us. 506 00:45:33.900 --> 00:45:34.500 Yeah. 507 00:45:34.500 --> 00:45:38.699 But I love the fact that it's not a full on extermination. 508 00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:43.440 It's a brush past, like, you know, Yeah, it hits one of his hearts. 509 00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:54.000 And even the, when they come together, like when they, you know, he's lying on the ground, she's speaking to him and it's like, hi, yes, I've been busy. 510 00:45:54.059 --> 00:45:56.099 You know, like the conversation. 511 00:45:56.159 --> 00:45:58.320 He's so normal and so. 512 00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:00.000 I like your dental world. beautiful, you know. 513 00:46:01.860 --> 00:46:03.539 New teeth. 514 00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:12.780 I think that whole sequence from the TARDIS touching down outside the church through the end of the episode is one of the most perfect stretches of Doctor Who ever. 515 00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:22.199 It's beautifully written, it's beautifully performed, but let's not lose sight of how... marshalled it is by Graham Harper. 516 00:46:22.260 --> 00:46:30.119 This story could have spun out of control so easily, and Graham Harper keeps it all perfectly in sync. 517 00:46:30.179 --> 00:46:31.679 He is fantastic. 518 00:46:31.739 --> 00:46:41.099 Like, he is the perfect man for the job, especially in the TARDIS, when the TARDIS needs to have fire, for God knows what reason coming up, you know, when they're trying to get back. 519 00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:42.420 You know, he does that so well. 520 00:46:42.420 --> 00:46:45.960 And thank God it's not, is it Douglas McKinnon? 521 00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:48.599 He directed the Santantu part. 522 00:46:48.659 --> 00:46:52.800 Thank God he's not him because he's like the... 523 00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:54.900 He's that folk of series 4. 524 00:46:55.079 --> 00:46:58.260 And I think you mentioned previously, James, or somebody did. 525 00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:02.579 He's like the Peter Moffatt of classics. 526 00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:03.719 We don't want him. 527 00:47:03.780 --> 00:47:13.199 Graham Harper is the right man for the job, and at every point in this, he just, he just chooses the right shots, the right angles, the right performances. 528 00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:21.659 And it's such a good script, but I think moving so seamlessly between so many plot elements is so much harder than it looks. 529 00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:26.340 It could have easily come off as a little bit of a mess, and yet it absolutely doesn't. 530 00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:37.139 Perhaps the one thing I will say here at the end is that intercutting between all of the cliffhangers with torture would under attack, Sarah James seems to be getting exterminated for quite some time in her car. 531 00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:44.699 It's the one thing that I kind of go, okay, okay, they're just gonna keep on saying that for 5 minutes whilst other things happen. 532 00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:45.300 I can live with that. 533 00:47:46.139 --> 00:47:49.139 I think you have to do that in the cliffhanger. 534 00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:54.960 Like it's a good practice, I think, for all of the plot threads to come to a head at the same time. 535 00:47:55.019 --> 00:48:00.480 And they did it in their very, very 1st ever Keith Poke directed cliffhanger. 536 00:48:00.539 --> 00:48:03.900 Let's just have a bit of comparing critras between that and this. 537 00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:14.460 Yeah, but I mean, even that, you know, it's a Russell script and a really great Russell script and, you know, it doesn't quite come off, but it's the right instinct and he does that here. 538 00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:24.900 So having Sarah confronted by the Daleks and Torchwood about to be attacked by the Daleks and so on, like all of this stuff happening at the same time is great. 539 00:48:25.019 --> 00:48:29.699 I think Graham is just a confident, supremely confident directory. 540 00:48:29.699 --> 00:48:30.480 He knows what he's doing. 541 00:48:30.539 --> 00:48:34.679 And so he knows when to pull out his bag of tricks, but he knows when to get out of away as well. 542 00:48:34.739 --> 00:48:35.460 Yeah. 543 00:48:35.460 --> 00:48:42.539 Well, you know, that's the thing that's most striking about the difference between his stuff in the 80s and his stuff in the new series. 544 00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:44.519 The stuff in the 80s is so stylised. 545 00:48:44.579 --> 00:48:51.719 And so artfully directed and stands out so much from everything else around it. 546 00:48:51.780 --> 00:49:10.139 Whereas, you know, he does use tricks, there are all sorts of fun, silly things that he does in the unicorn and the wasp that no one else has ever done in the new show, but he really just stands out because he's confident and competent and not because he's trying sort of to do auntie moves with the camera so much. 547 00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:17.940 So the other thing, the most incredible thing. 548 00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:21.659 We're at a point, I think, do we know David's leaving at the end of next year? 549 00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:23.340 So we didn't know what was going to happen? 550 00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:25.199 It was announced at the NTAs, wasn't it? 551 00:49:25.260 --> 00:49:29.400 Yes, he announced at the NTAs, which was in October of that year, so about 4 months later. 552 00:49:29.460 --> 00:49:34.199 So we do know by the time the next doctor is airing, but we don't know it yet. 553 00:49:34.260 --> 00:49:35.340 Yes. 554 00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:39.000 We do know that Russell is leaving and that Moffatt is taking over. 555 00:49:39.059 --> 00:49:39.900 Yes. 556 00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:46.199 So we have to be wondering what's going to happen with Tennant, I think, at this point. 557 00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:56.219 And so this cliffhanger, which is not just the doctor in peril, because he's not, actually, he's regenerating, he's going to be fine. 558 00:49:56.280 --> 00:49:57.840 We know that he's going to be fine. 559 00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:04.800 The cliffhanger is a cliffhanger because it puts us in peril in a way. 560 00:50:04.860 --> 00:50:06.780 Like it's affecting us. 561 00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:08.880 What is going to happen next? 562 00:50:08.940 --> 00:50:12.900 What is going to happen to David Tennant's doctor, who we adore. 563 00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:14.519 What's going to happen now? 564 00:50:14.699 --> 00:50:18.360 He's breaking the rules of regeneration. 565 00:50:18.420 --> 00:50:20.820 Of course, there are no rules, but in our head, canon. 566 00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:27.719 There are rules, like you just don't have the doctor exterminated and regenerating unless he's actually regenerating into a new person. 567 00:50:27.780 --> 00:50:30.900 We're going to find something out next week. 568 00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:38.820 But at this point, some of us on this podcast, probably me, are enraged that this is happening the 1st time round. 569 00:50:38.880 --> 00:50:41.699 How dare you do this with your generation? 570 00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:43.199 You're wasting it if he's going to come back. 571 00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:45.360 Regenerating a bathroom, destroying it. 572 00:50:45.420 --> 00:50:52.380 This is absolutely appalling, but it's absolutely the best thing and the most wonderful thing coming back to it and watching it. 573 00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:53.820 It's just divine. 574 00:50:54.239 --> 00:51:11.400 You know how sometimes people say it's just a massive pity that we know when the doctor's leaving and we've never seen a Doctor Who story in the new series where we haven't known that the doctor's going to regenerate at the end and who the doctor's going to regenerate into. 575 00:51:11.460 --> 00:51:18.480 Like, that just never happens and can't possibly ever happen again, because they announce the casting of a new doctor. 576 00:51:18.539 --> 00:51:19.320 It's a big story. 577 00:51:19.380 --> 00:51:27.480 It's part of the whole program's paratext, is this discussion of who's going to play the doctor next and when they're leaving and when they're joining. 578 00:51:27.539 --> 00:51:29.099 And so we can't have that again. 579 00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:31.800 But we get it here. 580 00:51:31.860 --> 00:51:39.119 You know, we get a surprise regeneration, and it's absolutely unbelievable. 581 00:51:39.179 --> 00:51:43.380 And when Moffat tries that trick again in his last season. 582 00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:44.340 It's horrible. 583 00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:49.739 But here it's just so spectacular. 584 00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:57.179 It's just unimaginable And it's, there's no, like he cuts the thing right in the middle of the regeneration. 585 00:51:57.239 --> 00:51:59.579 It's not coming, it's not going to be thwarted. 586 00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:04.139 He's standing there in the TARDIS with the light pouring out of every orifice. 587 00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:06.300 You know, we, there's no stopping it now. 588 00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:08.699 We know it's happening and then it goes. 589 00:52:08.820 --> 00:52:10.139 No next time trailer either. 590 00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:11.219 No, that's right. 591 00:52:11.280 --> 00:52:21.900 Do you think that's him making up for the fact that Eccleston ruined... 2nd bite at the cherry. 592 00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:22.559 Yeah. 593 00:52:22.619 --> 00:52:31.199 So like, you know, like initially, you know, when they realised Eccleston wasn't returning, it was going to be a complete surprise. 594 00:52:31.260 --> 00:52:33.360 They weren't going to announce tenant. 595 00:52:33.420 --> 00:52:39.539 He was just going to become him at the end of series one and it was leaked. 596 00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:41.460 Yeah, they almost pulled it off. 597 00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:43.920 The series was actually airing before it got leaked. 598 00:52:43.980 --> 00:52:44.579 So they came close. 599 00:52:44.699 --> 00:52:49.559 Well, in fact, it got leaked, you know, between episodes one and two, didn't it? 600 00:52:49.619 --> 00:52:49.920 Yeah. 601 00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:50.159 Yeah. 602 00:52:50.219 --> 00:52:50.699 Yeah. 603 00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:54.900 It goes back, I think, to what I was saying earlier about the fact that the audience is complicit in this. 604 00:52:54.960 --> 00:53:00.059 I don't think he can just throw in a regeneration like Mothat did in his last year and have it work. 605 00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:09.900 It has to be a big audience moment, which there, and between the stolen earth and journey's end in the UK, where I was living at the time, with the Regeneration Cliffhanger. 606 00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:12.059 Doctor Who was everywhere. 607 00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:15.360 The not we were talking about it in the office. 608 00:53:15.420 --> 00:53:19.920 There were endless news reports and interviews and TV discussion analysis. 609 00:53:19.980 --> 00:53:22.860 It was the genuine TV event that they tried to make it. 610 00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:26.400 Yeah, it's just unthinkable, isn't it? 611 00:53:26.460 --> 00:53:27.239 Wonderful. 612 00:53:27.300 --> 00:53:42.599 Yeah, it's it's spectacular and I think this cliffhanger is is just astounding and the whole episode is just a culmination of the past weeks and the past 4 years and it really is just brilliant television. 613 00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:13.500 Well, that's all we have time for this week. 614 00:54:13.559 --> 00:54:19.139 We'll be back next week for the first episode of the David Morrissey era, apparently, in Journey's End. 615 00:54:19.260 --> 00:54:34.739 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts, and you can keep up with us at Flightthrough Entirety on Facebook at FTE podcast on Twitter and on our website, FlightthroughEntirety.com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger and Jody into Terra. 616 00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:38.519 Until next time, remember to look after the bees. 617 00:54:38.579 --> 00:54:43.139 Without them, the doctor won't be able to save us from the coming apocalypse. 618 00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:45.539 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 619 00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:46.559 Good night. 620 00:54:46.619 --> 00:54:47.280 Good night. 621 00:54:47.340 --> 00:54:48.420 See you soon. 622 00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:55.679 That was Flight 3 Entirety, starring Todd, Billby, Nathan Bottomley, Peter Griffith, St. 623 00:54:55.679 --> 00:54:56.519 James, Selwood. 624 00:54:56.579 --> 00:55:00.239 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, Strings performance by Jane Orberg. 625 00:55:00.300 --> 00:55:08.219 This episode, Mr. Smith's fanfare is digetic, was recorded on the 13th of April 2020 and released on the 31st of May. 626 00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:18.059 If you normally hit stop on your iPhone at this point in the podcast, you're missing out on several minutes of top quality content every week. 627 00:55:18.119 --> 00:55:22.739 So stay tuned now and you'll hear Peter and Nathan make an alarming admission. 628 00:55:23.760 --> 00:55:26.460 Okay, let's end it there, do you think? 629 00:55:26.519 --> 00:55:26.880 Yeah. 630 00:55:26.880 --> 00:55:28.860 That was good. 631 00:55:28.920 --> 00:55:29.519 That was good. 632 00:55:29.639 --> 00:55:32.579 I didn't get to throw in my big character development surprise. 633 00:55:32.760 --> 00:55:34.800 Ah, what was it? 634 00:55:34.860 --> 00:55:36.599 Give me a tag. 635 00:55:36.659 --> 00:55:37.199 Okay. 636 00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:41.219 So talking about unexpected character development. 637 00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:42.659 Wilf is a Tory. 638 00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:47.880 I, well, so years, seen from years and years. 639 00:55:47.940 --> 00:55:57.239 So I read, um, I read um, about times entry on this before we did it. and they read it, and I think they read it wrong. 640 00:55:57.300 --> 00:56:01.380 I think they read it that Jackie's a Tory. 641 00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:07.019 And so when Wilford admits to voting for labour, her response is, no, you didn't. 642 00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:21.360 But remember that scene in years and years where everyone goes to the polls for the general election and Russell Toby's character votes conservative after being sort of super sort of liberal and terribly annoying and stuff. 643 00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:24.539 So I think it's a little sort of anticipation of that. 644 00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:28.139 I think that maybe he did what he did. 645 00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:29.760 Well, you see, I think their reading of it. 646 00:56:29.820 --> 00:56:31.320 Again, I agree with you. 647 00:56:31.380 --> 00:56:35.280 I can because he looks very chastened when Jack says that. 648 00:56:35.340 --> 00:56:36.239 So this is my thinking. 649 00:56:36.300 --> 00:56:42.119 So he says he voted for Harriet Jones, who was definitely Labour, because she was one of Blair's babes. 650 00:56:42.300 --> 00:56:44.039 Sylvia Schuszim, says he did not. 651 00:56:44.099 --> 00:56:45.599 So that means he voted Tory. 652 00:56:45.659 --> 00:56:52.440 And I mean, that's no great surprise since he lives in Chiswick, which is a conservative hotspot in the borough of Britain Nyworth. 653 00:56:52.500 --> 00:56:57.480 It's just about conceivable that he voted 3rd party, like Lib Demo or something. 654 00:56:57.539 --> 00:57:01.860 But if Harriet did win in a landslide, the Lib Dem vote must have collapsed. 655 00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:04.320 Ergo, Wilf is a suburban toy. 656 00:57:04.380 --> 00:57:06.000 Horrifying. 657 00:57:06.059 --> 00:57:07.380 I'll never... 658 00:57:07.380 --> 00:57:08.340 I'm totally fine with that. 659 00:57:08.579 --> 00:57:11.340 Because that scene is hilarious. 660 00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:14.940 Really funny, isn't it? 661 00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:15.960 You did not. 662 00:57:16.019 --> 00:57:18.780 Like, whatever she says it, it's very good. 663 00:57:18.840 --> 00:57:19.800 So good. 664 00:57:19.860 --> 00:57:25.199 Well, they're so good. like when the line you referenced earlier, Todd, where, you know, they always want the women. 665 00:57:25.260 --> 00:57:26.760 She could have reused her line. 666 00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:29.280 I know why you came to earth, Dafros. 667 00:57:29.340 --> 00:57:30.420 You think you'll meet a woman. 668 00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:34.800 That just reminds me of that... 669 00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:40.800 That episode of AbFab, um, where Patsy is playing boobarella. 670 00:57:40.860 --> 00:57:45.599 She came to earth to save womankind for herself. 671 00:57:49.139 --> 00:57:51.179 I love Boober. 672 00:57:51.239 --> 00:57:52.559 I do too. 673 00:57:52.619 --> 00:57:54.000 All right, here goes.