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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety

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the only Doctor Who podcast that for one shining moment was the

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most important podcast in the whole wide universe.

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It was sometime in episode eight, I think.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm James.

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I'm Peter.

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And I'm Todd.

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Well, we've just been through what might be the most extraordinary

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13 week period in Doctor Who history.

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More celebrities, more guest stars, more Daleks, and more drowning

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fish than the show has ever seen before.

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How do we feel about it all now that we've reached the end?

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Let's find out in our series 4 retrospective.

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Welcome to the retrospective.

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I've got three broad topics for us to choose from.

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We've got series 4, Partners in Crime, and my brand new game, House

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Party, turn left, or turn right.

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So let's start with series 4.

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And here's my 1st question.

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One, two, three, or four.

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I definitely want to say four.

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And I feel bad saying this, and I have said it on the podcast

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before.

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I think series one is something incredibly special.

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Like, it's really amazing.

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But every year, I think they get better.

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They know what works and what doesn't.

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They're increasing in confidence.

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They're generally getting better at making the show.

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And so my order is literally one, two, three, four, uh, only the

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other way round, 4321, I think 4 is the best one, uh, and one is

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merely magnificent.

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But it's not as good as the other ones.

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Nathan, I'm going to agree with you broadly, but in a slightly

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different order.

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I think 4 is amazing because they just have this exuberance and

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this kind of this carefree confidence which comes with the fact

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that they know how to make this show and so it frees them up.

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They freeze them up creatively.

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Um, I actually think series one is probably second.

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I think series one has that very special thing where they don't

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know what they're doing and that frees them up creatively.

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So it would be 4 in one and then the others, which are very good.

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But 4 is clearly the best, I think.

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James?

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I think I agree totally with you, Nathan.

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It's it's 4321.

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For me, like 4 is top.

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Then down to one.

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Um, one is fresh and new and exciting.

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And 2 is a difficult 2nd child. 2nd child, 2nd child.

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I'm a 2nd child. 2 is a difficult 2nd album.

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Um, 3 is flawed, but has Freema in it, but 4 is just gorgeous.

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It's, you know, it's, everybody's firing on full, like full

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cylinders, um, Tenant and Tate are just wonderful together.

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And It's that culmination of, of, the 4 years of this new show and

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all these sort of threads that, um, that Russell had kind of

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pulled together over, over that time.

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It's, it's, oh, I love series four.

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I think, you know, series 4 and series 10 of the new series for me

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are the pinnacle of new Doctor Who.

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I don't think they can be bettered.

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James, I would agree.

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Wow, okay.

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Yes.

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Well, I'm going to get some hate mail in a moment.

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So I'm going to go 4312 and I'll just sleep it like that.

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I think that's a pretty good order.

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I think that, you know, Peter's right that one has the advantage

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of not knowing if it's going to succeed or not.

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And so it's super careful about making sure that it has an appeal

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to a broad audience, whereas 2 is a little bit smug about its own

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success, much like the Doctor and Rose actually in that whole

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season.

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It is.

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Yeah, but I mean, I do think sort of technically there's all sorts

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of things going on in 2 that they hadn't had the ambition or

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ability to do in one.

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So that's why it kind of edges it out for me, but it is very

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close.

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Do you think that the show is perhaps relying too much on monsters

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from the past, like every season, it's like the Daleks, or the

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Cyberman or the Master, or Davros and the Daleks this year.

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And then we've got all of this continuity stuff at the end of the

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season, which I think is brilliant.

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But one of the biggest criticisms of the show, the original series

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back in the 80s, the show was really eating itself with

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continuity.

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If there's one thing I'm going to say about Russell at this point

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in time is that, you know, absolutely fantastic with the family

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orientation of the show with the families is introduced.

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But if there's one thing, it's sort of like, I kind of go, We're

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relying on all these nostalgic things from the past.

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Is that a problem?

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Except that I think that they're relying on you being one of the

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sort of 8 to 10000000 people who've been watching this show.

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Do you know what I mean?

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It's not a niche thing to refer back to something that happened in

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series one.

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And what Russell has done, and we've said this before, that he

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reintroduces the most important things about Doctor Who, the

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Daleks, the cybermen, the master.

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He reintroduces them all in order so that they can be enjoyed by a

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new generation of fans.

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And I do think, you know, for instance, one of the reasons that

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the reaction to series 11 was a bit muted was that it didn't do

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that.

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It went too far in the other direction.

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I have no sympathy for people who complain that the RTD series

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finales are too big and they have too many Daleks in them and

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they're too exciting and they really just need to be scaled back a

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bit.

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And they were too popular.

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That's it.

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And Nathan, I think Russell had the right instinct where he wanted

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to jettison the canon.

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But that doesn't mean you always had to jettison the cannon.

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I think after 4 years, very popular series that the public was

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clearly invested in, it's right and good to refer back to its own

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canon.

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He's created a new history for the show, um, and a more recent

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history for the show, and that's fine.

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We love that.

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Although, you know, some people don't.

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I think friend of the podcast and contributor to the podcast, Simon

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Moore might disagree with us there.

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Yes, indeed.

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But I think it adds the texture of this season is just enriched by

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the mining of that recent history and bringing all of those

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threads together and it just is such a payoff, you know, in the

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last 3 episodes and turn left, which is one of my all-time

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favourite Doctor Who stories.

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It's a really difficult thing, given the show's premise to create

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a world, because we're somewhere different every week.

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And so how do you create a Doctor Who that takes place in a

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coherent universe?

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And I don't think you do it by, you know, having a cyberman story

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that references all the previous cyberman stories.

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I think you do it by having a group of people that the doctor

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knows and that have been affected by the doctor and who he loves

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and who love him.

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And I think the show never did this before, possibly, you know, the

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Pertoy era is a little bit like that. and it never does it again.

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One of the things that I will miss when Stephen Moffat takes over

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is not having a brilliant writer as a showrunner because we get

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that, but not having a Doctor Who, that takes place in a world

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that, that cohere is.

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You remember, when I 1st started watching Doctor Who in the 70s, it

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always struck me that no one ever remembered the previous story

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you know, and that was, that was, there was that 30 seconds at the

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start of time flight.

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Well, no, that's when it changes though, isn't it?

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It changes with season 18.

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And I think the reason, one of the reasons that we love season 18

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is it takes place in a coherent world.

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Bitmeat creates a world for it to take place in, and that's

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wonderful and magical after so many years where, you know, everyone

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would be sort of have their memory wiped every 4 weeks.

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And Russell does this literally better than anyone else who's ever

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run the show. absolutely right.

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It's not magical though, Nathan.

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It's science.

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It's science.

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Of course it is.

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I think series 4's success can be measured by the fact that it's

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very difficult to see where a Russell series 5 would have gone.

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It's hard to see how it could have been bettered or the stakes

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could have been raised.

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It just is a perfect culmination of his era.

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Well, look at Moffatt, who, for the following year's season finale

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has 5 people in a Dalek wandering around a museum.

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You know, the stakes are still high. still huge and interesting

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and and amazing, but he just can't do a giant kind of worldwide

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alien invasion anymore.

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Speaking of this series, like, okay, series four.

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We've talked about themes in the other series.

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Is there a theme underlying theme to this series or is it just

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what we've just talked about bringing all of this world together

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in one cohesive sort of to one cohesive point and celebrating

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that?

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Or is there something that you see in this series otherwise?

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Is it the value of friendship family?

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I think that Johnny got it right in our silence in the library

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episode, where he said that the thing that happens this season is

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kind of exposing the doctor to new challenges and things that he

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hasn't experienced before.

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So giving him a daughter, giving him a wife, you know, putting him

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on the back foot in midnight, you know, killing him off in turn

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left, like things are bigger and more interesting, the things that

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he faces.

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I'm not sure that's a theme, but I do think it's a thing that

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characterises this season.

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I don't think there is a noticeable themed series 4 except for

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celebration.

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It's a celebration of everything that the series has achieved and

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all that the characters have achieved. and so it's celebration

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kind of on and offscreen.

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But compared to something like series 3, which I think did have

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definite character themes.

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It may be that it's a little bit more on the shallow side, but not

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very much.

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Fair enough, James, anything to comment?

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I think that's the thing.

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It doesn't have themes.

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It has themes, I think.

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It has, you know, I don't think they're character themes though.

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I think they're, uh, They're more sort of plot threads or ideas or

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concepts that that kind of get woven through it.

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Like it's, it's, it's more, it's more, um, it's more plot, like

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plot ideas that like keep popping up.

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You know, the, the planets disappearing, the, like the Dr. Donna

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the, you know, like, I don't think that has an overarching theme

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no.

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I think it goes to show that the whole sort of season arc thing is

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actually much less important than they thought it was going to be

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in a way that doesn't matter.

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It was a sort of artificial way of trying to create continuity

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within a season.

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But, you know, I think the only one that's really interesting or

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important is the series 3 arc.

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But series 4 still coheres around a world because the characters

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remember what's happened to them and meet people that they've met

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before.

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And, you know, we dismissed the Santaran Tupada.

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But is it the 1st proper time where the doctor's gone back with a

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previous companion and the current companion and had both of them

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in a story together, the sort of thing that we always kind of, you

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know, fantasised might be possible, but never really properly

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happened before, 2 doctors maybe.

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But that's something that you can only do when you've made a world

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for the doctor to live in.

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What about school reunion?

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Ah, yeah.

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I think it kind of underscores the success of the 2 doctors

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actually, in that that's joyous, seeing JD and Perry hanging

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around together and Perry matched up with the 2nd doctrine, that

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whereas the Santaran, 2 part of just to put the boot in once again

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slightly misses that opportunity for the fun by separating Martha

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from the doctor and Donna.

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Yeah.

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All right, let's get our next category, sort of partners in crime

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and our partners in crime are Martha Jones and Rose Tyler.

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Oh my god, he found you.

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But it's continuing on what we've just been talking about in that

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you've got both of these other companions with the current

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companions at some point in the season and seeing those

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relationships and even they have their moments together.

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Um, It's just interesting having them in like 2 or 3 episodes with

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um, Donna.

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Like, it would be like having Sarah Jane with Joe Grant in a story

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or it is Shaw coming in with Joe Grant for a story.

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And I look, I love I love that interplay between Rose and Martha

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when they finally meet and, you know, after the journey that

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Martha's gone through in series 3 where, you know, she's in love

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with the doctor, she's heartbroken, she's really damaged by that.

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And to show that how far that character has come. that her

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response is joy.

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Like when she sees Rose in in the series finale.

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She says, oh my gosh, he found you.

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And she actually, she's happy about that.

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You can't imagine that happening 12 months ago.

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It brings a tear, like it brings a tear to my eye and makes me

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glad that's not much.

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She goes, oh, you bitch, you know?

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You were the one that caused me...

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Which is actually what Rose does in stolen Earth. screening going

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who the hell are you?

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I have a similar thing with Donna saying to the doctor, you know

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Rose is coming back.

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That's good, isn't it?

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And then Donna's reaction. when she sees Rose coming down the

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street towards them.

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Like she gets, she notices her before the doctor does.

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And it's so beautiful.

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It's so wonderful.

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And so many people were irritated by the relationship between the

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doctor and Rose, particularly in the series too, and to have both

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Martha and Donna eventually affirm it, is wonderful, just great.

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And also, we haven't been kind to what was done with Martha this

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season.

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She hasn't been particularly well catered for compared to when she

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was regular.

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But it really shows the fact that Martha of all of the modern

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companions is the most fully formed person.

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She's not someone who needed to be fixed by the doctor.

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She was able to kind of walk away on her own terms and

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everything.

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So when she comes back, there's no feelings of melancholy or

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longing or jealousy.

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She just reacts as a normal person would react.

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She's like, you were really missing this person.

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They've returned unhappy for you.

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Great observation, Peter.

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All right, well, I think on that note, it's time for our 1st house

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party.

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The companions.

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So it's a very easy game. left or right, yes or no.

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So here we go.

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Donna or Martha?

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Oh, it's such a terrible, terrible choice.

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I want both of them.

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Can I make it for you?

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Absolutely God.

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Yeah, okay.

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But it is what you said.

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Martha is like a real person.

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And she is terribly thoughtful and likeable.

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I think Donna is funnier and, you know, terribly self-assured and

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things.

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But it would be wrenching to go into that house party room and

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leave Martha behind.

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That's okay.

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James, just choose one.

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Donna or Martha quickly.

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On top of your head.

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This is rapid fire.

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Yes, this is rapid fire.

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I choose Catherine Tate because I'd just like to have a chat with

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her.

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Okay, Martha or Rose?

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Martha.

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Martha.

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Martha.

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Rose or Sarah Jane?

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Sarah Jane.

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Sarah Jane.

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Sarah Jane.

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Captain Jack or River Song?

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River song.

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Yep, river song.

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Dodo.

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Harriet Jones or France Dean Jones.

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Oh, my friends.

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Yes.

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Harriet.

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Harriet.

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I love Anjo, but I love Harriet Jones, and I still haven't

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forgiven Russell for killing her off.

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Or having her drop through a trapdoor and onto a motorbike and

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escape the Daleks.

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That is cannon.

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It is canon.

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Wilf or Sylvia?

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Oh, Wilf, because Sylvia's actually not a very nice person.

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Even though I adore her and could watch her all day.

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So if, if, if you're saying, should I watch an episode with Will

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for Sylvia in it, Sylvia, but if I have to spend a lot of time on

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a massive video chat with someone, definitely Will.

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Has to be Sabernan.

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I'm going to go for the Gestalt entity, Wilvia.

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Mickey or Jackie?

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Oh, come on.

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Jackie.

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Jackie.

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Jackie.

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And finally for this round of the companion.

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So half of them are going in one room and half of them going in

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the other.

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The Dr. Donna or Dr. 2?

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Oh, the Dr. Donna.

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Absolutely.

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Yep.

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She types it a 100 words a minute, Todd.

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She's so good.

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Very good.

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Excellent.

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All right.

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Well, speaking of the Dr. Donna.

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I'm going to go back to partners in crime in series 4 and let's

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talk about David Tennant, Catherine Tate, or the doctor and

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Donna.

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I think Donna is very good for the 10th doctor.

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I think she points out his foibles and undermines his

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grandstanding a little bit, and that's exactly what we needed.

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Um, I also think that because Catherine is such a big

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personality.

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She puts David's performance in perspective, whereas David

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previously looked like he was very big compared to the more

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subdued performances of Freema and Billy.

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I totally agree with that.

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I think so too.

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I also think too, that, you know, I mean, the show is how, or has

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been up till that point, um, for a lot of its run, you know, an

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older man and a younger woman.

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And the younger woman is kind of a bit sort of naive and has, you

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know, the doctor gets to boss her around and she gets in trouble

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for wandering off and all of that sort of thing.

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And it's nice not having that. having someone who's actually

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slightly older than the doctor and certainly as self-assured as

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the doctor.

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Look, I agree with your point that, Nathan, it's one. also one of

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the reasons why I say, you know, Evelyn Smythe and the 6 doctor

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work quite well, because it's more of an equal sort of pairing.

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There's a sort of acerbic, um, slightly catty interaction that

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they have, but you know that they love each other.

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I think that's pretty interesting because it's made explicit on

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screen in that very underrated episode, The Fires of Pompeii, where

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Donna says, I don't know about these kids you've been hanging

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around with, but I'm not one of them.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's really good.

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And I agree.

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It is a lot like Evelyn Smythe, because remember the 6 doctor can

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be a bit of a bully, and, you know, like he makes Perry carry his

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fishing gear all over the place and stuff.

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You know.

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So great.

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But Evelyn just wouldn't tolerate that.

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And it's the same with the tenth doctor.

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He's big and kind of a little bit self-involved.

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And so having someone come along and call him a prawn or a plum or

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a, you know, a dumbo all the time is actually really wonderful.

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She's the medicine he needed.

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Yeah, and I agree with everything that you're saying and I've said

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it before having a comic in that role just adds to how the whole

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thing is performed and she just, she's just wonderful.

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She is my favourite of these 3 companions.

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And, and, and I think David, like, we go on about his ticks and

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certain things, but I really do think, I really enjoy him in the

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moment.

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Most of 95% of the time, or 99% of the time, he just, he's very

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effortless, I kind of think.

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There's never any idea with David that he's not delivering a good

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performance.

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He's always working 110% on screen.

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It's just a question of whether what he's doing particularly

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appeals to you or not, but I agree with Todd.

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I think he delivers 99.5% of the time.

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And then there's another couple of things, but it's like with any

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doctor, it's relative, isn't it?

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You don't dislike any of them, and if you're asked to order them

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it's very difficult because they're all brilliant.

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I think, too, that even though Tenet isn't my favourite new series

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doctor.

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I am happy that he's the one that everyone remembers because I do

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think it's a conception of the doctor, a look, a style of

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interacting, all of that sort of stuff, which is magical, just

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incredible.

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And, you know, like I think I like Moffatt's doctors better, but I

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don't know.

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I think he spends so much time kind of working out his own anxiety

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is about masculinity and stuff, you know, through those doctors.

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It's a little bit nicer to have someone a little bit more sort of

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self-confident.

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He sort of creates an archetype, doesn't he?

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And it's interesting, I think, that regardless of how good the

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others are, Matt Smith, Matt Smith's doctor adheres to that

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archetype, and I would say is the most broadly successful next to

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David's.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So, obviously, besides Dr. and Donna, we have another 2 partners

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in crime that are part of this season.

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Nat is Wilfred Mott and Sylvia Noble.

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I think that they are amazing.

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And, um, so I do point it out quite a lot that last season we just

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didn't quite get enough of Martha's family to really warm to them

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in quite the same way, uh, that we did with Rose and and Jackie

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and Mickey uh, and maybe Peace a bit.

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But here, those 2, like they're both older, sort of veteran actors

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they're both incredibly strong, and the relationship between them

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is great.

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Like the way that Sylvia bosses him around and the way that he

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sort of resents it, but accepts it, you know, she sends him out

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out the back to do some stargazing to get him out of the house, she

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won't let him have a webcam.

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You know, she absolutely...

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She absolutely bosses him around.

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But then the times where she goes to him for comfort.

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There's just maybe 2 scenes in the series where he's reassuring

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her and he calls her my little girl and all of that is so moving

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when she's so prickly and so, so kind of unhappy and unlikeable

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and just having her want to be comforted by Will, humanises her

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enormously.

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I think Wolf is an incredible score.

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Like, it's tragic circumstances that lead to his casting, but he's

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amazingly great.

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Well, it's the same kind of alchemy where they got Catherine

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involved.

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They brought in Catherine for a one-off and then were lucky enough

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to get her in a regular role.

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They brought in Bernard Crippen's for a one off, and then the

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situation dictated.

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They went back to him and they lock enough to get him in for a

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regular role.

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So it was just alchemy.

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But it's also lucky enough that then their chemistry between both

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of them is just absolutely incredible.

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And the warmth of his character and the joy in his character is, is

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one of the things that I ideally love about this season.

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And I think with Sylvia, it is actually interesting going back to

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say, actually, what a cow she actually is a lot of the time.

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I didn't realise how actually unlikeable she, she actually is as a

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person, but you see these moments of warmth, like with her, uh

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both with, um, Wolf and with her and with Donna.

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And, and perhaps in that, in the last scenes of the season with

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the doctor, when she says like she's my daughter, and you should

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be leaving now, there's just that you just know that she's a

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changed person, and she's going to do better, and, and that

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combined with the turnlift episode where you actually see her at

501
00:26:38.579 --> 00:26:42.720
the depths of despair, and what she can deliver, as an actress

502
00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:43.680
which is just extraordinary.

503
00:26:43.980 --> 00:26:47.400
I wish there was another episode with her.

504
00:26:47.460 --> 00:26:49.559
You know, that's what I wish.

505
00:26:49.619 --> 00:26:52.799
And she's a flawed person, which is interesting.

506
00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:55.019
She's got a public face and a private face.

507
00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:58.500
And so you see it when she's out on the town with her girls in

508
00:26:58.500 --> 00:26:59.880
partners in crime.

509
00:26:59.940 --> 00:27:03.720
She's all bubbly and upbeat and sort of the life of the party and

510
00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:04.859
clearly happy to be with them.

511
00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:09.059
Yet when she's with her family, sort of that slips and she just

512
00:27:09.059 --> 00:27:12.900
sort of slides into a pattern of kind of low-key abusing them.

513
00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:15.960
But, you know, there are a lot of people like that.

514
00:27:16.019 --> 00:27:17.039
She's a fairly rounded person.

515
00:27:17.579 --> 00:27:21.359
Look, I tend to agree with you on that.

516
00:27:21.420 --> 00:27:26.579
I think the beauty of the, that, triptych, Is that the right

517
00:27:26.579 --> 00:27:27.420
word?

518
00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:32.759
Um, the beauty of that triptych of uh, of characters is probably

519
00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:36.480
one of the reasons why uh, why big finish keeps coming back to

520
00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:36.720
them.

521
00:27:36.779 --> 00:27:43.259
They, you know, they've had a number of box sets they've done with

522
00:27:43.259 --> 00:27:44.160
that cars.

523
00:27:44.220 --> 00:27:45.839
Not with Bernard as well.

524
00:27:45.900 --> 00:27:49.799
Bernard came in the most recent one, but you can see that they

525
00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:55.920
love series 4 so much and they love the fact that they can get

526
00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:59.579
those actors to appear in their in their audiobooks.

527
00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:01.980
They keep going back to that well.

528
00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:08.339
They've recently done a new box set, which is just Donna and her

529
00:28:08.339 --> 00:28:09.660
family.

530
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:12.000
Um, basically without the 10th doctor.

531
00:28:12.059 --> 00:28:14.160
Oh, wow, it's turn left.

532
00:28:14.220 --> 00:28:15.900
He's not dead.

533
00:28:15.900 --> 00:28:19.980
And bringing in Nicky Audley from the Catherine Tate show.

534
00:28:20.759 --> 00:28:24.119
And they keep working with Jackie King.

535
00:28:24.180 --> 00:28:25.740
They keep bringing her back for everything.

536
00:28:25.740 --> 00:28:29.460
They, like, she is one of their regular cast members.

537
00:28:29.460 --> 00:28:34.859
Like, in bit parts in, you know, I think they did a, they did an

538
00:28:34.859 --> 00:28:38.819
adaptation of the book of the Wizard of Oz, and she played the

539
00:28:38.819 --> 00:28:40.680
Wicked Witch or them.

540
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:42.779
Wonderful.

541
00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:49.019
Look, I, yeah, no, they are some of the best cast members of the

542
00:28:49.019 --> 00:28:50.039
of the revived series.

543
00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:52.440
They're just brilliant.

544
00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:56.759
Well, speaking of happy couples, it's now time for house party to

545
00:28:56.759 --> 00:28:57.539
happy couples.

546
00:28:58.859 --> 00:29:01.140
I'm going to love some of these.

547
00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:02.039
All right.

548
00:29:02.339 --> 00:29:05.400
Colonel Mace or Captain Price.

549
00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:08.579
I have no idea who the 2nd one is.

550
00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:10.140
The one that kisses him.

551
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:13.799
Oh, God, I still have no idea who it is.

552
00:29:13.859 --> 00:29:18.900
Wonderful lovers from the 2nd part of the Santara and there would

553
00:29:18.900 --> 00:29:21.480
have been more sexual chemistry if they'd had 2 Muppets kissing

554
00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:21.900
each other.

555
00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:23.759
And believe me, I've seen that.

556
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:27.900
She's to think that he's gay and that she's she's unrequitedly in

557
00:29:27.900 --> 00:29:28.319
love with him.

558
00:29:28.380 --> 00:29:30.359
No, he's gay and she's an alien.

559
00:29:30.420 --> 00:29:31.319
Let pay attention.

560
00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:33.599
We've answered the question.

561
00:29:33.660 --> 00:29:34.380
Let's move on.

562
00:29:36.359 --> 00:29:39.299
Val or Biff Kane?

563
00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:42.420
Oh, they're both so horrible.

564
00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:45.900
But I have to say that I really like Val.

565
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:48.420
She is so, so horrible.

566
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:56.400
And there's that moment where she appeals to Jethro, you know, come

567
00:29:56.400 --> 00:30:00.000
and be a horrible daily mail reader like us, you know, surely

568
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:02.099
you're going to be on our side.

569
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:08.279
That family is unbelievably, unbelievably gross and awful, and

570
00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:13.440
even that the dad joke about the pool being, what is it?

571
00:30:13.500 --> 00:30:15.059
Is it's a concept or something?

572
00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:16.920
Like it's so poor.

573
00:30:16.980 --> 00:30:20.700
Like, you know, in his goatee, like, I just hate the whole thing.

574
00:30:21.180 --> 00:30:25.440
I would have to go for Val as well because she's played by someone

575
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:27.420
who lit up EastEnders for a decade.

576
00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:28.140
Oh, wow.

577
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:29.160
James?

578
00:30:29.220 --> 00:30:30.599
Neither of them.

579
00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:32.519
Fair enough.

580
00:30:32.579 --> 00:30:34.740
I'm going to go with Dow because at 1st she'll love you.

581
00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:38.160
Then she'll hate you, then she'll deny hating you and try and

582
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:38.700
convince you.

583
00:30:38.940 --> 00:30:40.140
She'll try and throw you out of an airlock.

584
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:44.759
That bit at the end, isn't it, where she kind of denies having

585
00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:45.480
done anything.

586
00:30:45.539 --> 00:30:47.099
She denies any wrongdoing.

587
00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:50.460
She can't bring herself to kind of even mentally accept what

588
00:30:50.460 --> 00:30:51.059
they've done.

589
00:30:51.180 --> 00:30:52.740
She's she's horrible.

590
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:54.299
Gosh, that story is good.

591
00:30:54.420 --> 00:30:58.920
And she is also the character which that plot hinges on because

592
00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:01.619
she is the 1st one who the doctor's doing his whole.

593
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:03.960
You've all got to listen to me and I'm in charge, and I'm going to

594
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:07.319
save you, and she's the one who turns on him 1st and it's a real

595
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:07.619
shock.

596
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:10.380
Hmm, okay.

597
00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:11.819
All right.

598
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:14.640
Corn on the cob.

599
00:31:14.700 --> 00:31:16.380
General Cobb.

600
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:20.519
Or Luke Ratican.

601
00:31:20.579 --> 00:31:21.960
Oh, Luke.

602
00:31:22.019 --> 00:31:23.640
Ryan Sampson.

603
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:26.160
Because I love his Twitter.

604
00:31:26.220 --> 00:31:28.140
Oh, is he on Twitter?

605
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:29.880
Yes, yeah, yeah.

606
00:31:29.940 --> 00:31:35.519
No, um, somebody recently, maybe in the last year, um, tried to

607
00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:40.859
some homophobic bastard tried to get him to engage in conversation

608
00:31:40.859 --> 00:31:44.099
about something, and he posted a picture of him and his

609
00:31:44.099 --> 00:31:44.759
boyfriend.

610
00:31:44.819 --> 00:31:48.059
He's like, yeah, yeah, you're not going to you're not going to get

611
00:31:48.059 --> 00:31:49.079
my support in that, mate.

612
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:51.720
It was just it was just so sweet.

613
00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:57.660
And again, you know, I can't divorce that character from that

614
00:31:57.660 --> 00:32:02.339
actor because, like, the character is terrible, but the actor is

615
00:32:02.339 --> 00:32:05.940
one of the best comic actors in Britain at the moment.

616
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:12.599
Do you know, Peter was very full throated in his defence of Luke?

617
00:32:12.660 --> 00:32:13.799
What are you saying, Nathan?

618
00:32:14.700 --> 00:32:18.839
And I think that you won me over, Peter, actually.

619
00:32:18.900 --> 00:32:19.980
I think that you're right.

620
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:22.440
I mean, he is a sort of Sarah Jane character.

621
00:32:22.500 --> 00:32:25.200
You know, we spent a lot of time saying, why is he even in this

622
00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:29.940
episode, but you kind of said that he was doing a good job of the

623
00:32:29.940 --> 00:32:31.200
material that he was given.

624
00:32:31.259 --> 00:32:35.160
Yeah, I'd have to go with Luke every time because I think Ryan is

625
00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:37.440
handed a poison chalice and actually makes something of it.

626
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:39.299
Very true.

627
00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:40.859
I do agree with that Yes.

628
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:42.839
All right, here's my next happy couple.

629
00:32:42.900 --> 00:32:43.799
Oh yes, here we go.

630
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:45.480
Horrible.

631
00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:50.819
Oh, I can't even say his name.

632
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:51.599
What's his name?

633
00:32:51.660 --> 00:32:53.160
Lucius Paxtris Dexter.

634
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:53.700
There you go.

635
00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:54.539
Nope, no.

636
00:32:54.779 --> 00:32:57.000
No, Nathan, say it, please.

637
00:32:57.059 --> 00:33:00.539
So, so Lucius Petrist extras.

638
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:01.500
Or who?

639
00:33:01.500 --> 00:33:02.519
Parabile.

640
00:33:03.539 --> 00:33:06.240
Do you want bad teeth or bad skin?

641
00:33:06.299 --> 00:33:06.960
your choice.

642
00:33:08.339 --> 00:33:13.380
He has a like incorrect Latin name, and I spent a lot of time

643
00:33:13.380 --> 00:33:17.519
being very cross about all the incorrect Latin names in Fires of

644
00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:18.059
Pompeii.

645
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:25.079
He is fabulously revolting, I think, and is in everything that

646
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:25.559
he's in.

647
00:33:25.619 --> 00:33:27.420
I think I saw a picture of him.

648
00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:28.740
He's doing something at the moment.

649
00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:30.240
I've seen a recent picture of him.

650
00:33:30.299 --> 00:33:34.859
I can't remember what he's currently doing, but he is, he's kind

651
00:33:34.859 --> 00:33:38.759
of gross, sort of physically, and, you know, there's a lot of

652
00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:41.880
spittle, sort of around his mouth and stuff when he delivers his

653
00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:42.299
lines.

654
00:33:42.420 --> 00:33:44.400
So he's perfect, I think.

655
00:33:44.460 --> 00:33:49.559
So he's coming into your house party. on everything.

656
00:33:49.619 --> 00:33:52.559
Well, you know, like I just don't want to priestess at my party

657
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:52.980
frankly.

658
00:33:53.099 --> 00:33:58.920
He was also in the 2005 BBC adaptation of Bleak House, and he had

659
00:33:58.920 --> 00:34:01.559
a catchphrase where he was like sitting in his chair, and

660
00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:04.319
everything he said, he'd then go shake me up, Judy, and his poor

661
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:06.900
old minion would have to like shake him in his chair to sort of

662
00:34:06.900 --> 00:34:07.619
loosen his bones.

663
00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:12.960
Well, we mentioned that he was the devil in the final series of

664
00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:13.559
being human.

665
00:34:13.619 --> 00:34:18.360
And he was super, super gross and horrible in that.

666
00:34:18.420 --> 00:34:21.059
He does seem to be typecast, doesn't he?

667
00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:22.800
He does indeed.

668
00:34:22.860 --> 00:34:25.320
Given all that, I'd take Mrs. Pyrovile.

669
00:34:26.099 --> 00:34:27.599
All right.

670
00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:31.380
I think I choose handmade number three, a.k.a.

671
00:34:31.380 --> 00:34:34.500
Karen Gillen. doing her posh accent.

672
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:39.420
Agatha Christie or Lobus Caicillius.

673
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:41.880
Oh, it has to be Agatha Christie.

674
00:34:41.940 --> 00:34:44.400
I mean, I really like, you know, Cabaldi.

675
00:34:44.460 --> 00:34:48.420
There'll be plenty of time for Capaldi house parties, I imagine, in

676
00:34:48.420 --> 00:34:49.320
future seasons.

677
00:34:49.380 --> 00:34:53.340
But I have always loved Fenella Woolgar.

678
00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:57.599
There's a kind of terrible adaptation by Stephen Fry, of one of my

679
00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:01.199
favourite novels in the whole world, vile bodies by Evelyn Waugh.

680
00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:03.000
And she is in that.

681
00:35:03.059 --> 00:35:07.079
It's called Bright Young Things, the Fry Film Version.

682
00:35:07.139 --> 00:35:11.820
And it's much, much more sentimental than the war novel, which is

683
00:35:11.820 --> 00:35:16.079
why I hate it, because the war novel is so horrible. and so

684
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:16.679
unsentimental.

685
00:35:16.739 --> 00:35:22.440
And she plays Agatha Runcible, and she is so incredibly funny in

686
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:22.619
it.

687
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:23.820
So I've loved her forever.

688
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:28.139
And I think she's fantastic in Unicorn and the Wasp, both with

689
00:35:28.139 --> 00:35:29.880
Donna and with the doctor.

690
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:30.780
She's really great.

691
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:32.639
And also Agatha Roncible.

692
00:35:32.699 --> 00:35:35.400
I mean, haven't we missed out on that unicorn in the wasp and

693
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:36.659
deadly assassin crossover.

694
00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:37.679
We didn't know we needed.

695
00:35:37.739 --> 00:35:39.239
That's making a bitch.

696
00:35:39.300 --> 00:35:40.380
The unicorn?

697
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:41.579
Or the wasp.

698
00:35:42.179 --> 00:35:43.860
The wasp.

699
00:35:43.980 --> 00:35:45.659
Oh, the unicorn.

700
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:46.860
Oh, do you think?

701
00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:51.539
So the unicorn is, of course, Star Wars's Felicity Jones.

702
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:54.000
Oh, no, lovey can't say I do.

703
00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:59.880
And I love that hilarious cockney accent she suddenly starts to

704
00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:00.300
put on.

705
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:02.880
That's her normal accent because she's a villain.

706
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:04.019
Are you doing the accent?

707
00:36:05.940 --> 00:36:12.360
But, um, yeah, like the wasp, I guess, is sort of reasonably good

708
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:16.619
looking and stuff, but a bit wet and, you know, likely to the

709
00:36:16.619 --> 00:36:16.800
end.

710
00:36:16.860 --> 00:36:20.099
Well, yes. and likely to sort of beat you to death.

711
00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:20.699
Yeah, yeah.

712
00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:21.900
Or hit you with a pipe.

713
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:25.199
I think I'd have to go for the wasp over the unicorn because how

714
00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:26.159
do you want someone to respond?

715
00:36:26.219 --> 00:36:28.920
Do you want to say something and have someone go, how funny?

716
00:36:28.980 --> 00:36:32.219
What do you want to have them go?

717
00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:35.340
Every time.

718
00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:38.340
Peter, you're great with these these effects.

719
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:41.039
Okay, so we've got, I could just say...

720
00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:42.239
And who's the other one that you do?

721
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:44.699
That's the fish.

722
00:36:45.179 --> 00:36:49.260
Hello, I'm a hat.

723
00:36:49.260 --> 00:36:50.340
Here's my final happy couple.

724
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:52.440
Health or safety?

725
00:36:53.699 --> 00:36:56.280
I'll be healthy, be safety.

726
00:37:05.579 --> 00:37:06.599
All right.

727
00:37:06.659 --> 00:37:09.840
This has sort of opened up to, we've been talking about, I think, a

728
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:11.400
lot of guest stars, this season.

729
00:37:11.460 --> 00:37:16.019
Who are your most memorable or favourite performers in this series

730
00:37:16.019 --> 00:37:17.099
as guest stars?

731
00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:22.380
I mean, I obviously am going to say that Sky Sylvestri and her

732
00:37:22.380 --> 00:37:24.719
performance, what's the actress's name?

733
00:37:24.780 --> 00:37:26.340
Leslie Sharp.

734
00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:33.059
Leslie Sharp's performance at Sky Sylvester, I think, is one of

735
00:37:33.059 --> 00:37:34.559
the standouts for me this season.

736
00:37:34.860 --> 00:37:36.239
Yeah.

737
00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:38.699
I adore that.

738
00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:42.239
I don't think I would have gone to her first, but I think you're

739
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:42.420
right.

740
00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:45.000
But there's so many to choose from. isn't there?

741
00:37:45.420 --> 00:37:47.159
River song.

742
00:37:47.219 --> 00:37:48.659
I mean, that's a guest performance.

743
00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:51.179
And you have to say that Alex Kingston is great in that

744
00:37:51.179 --> 00:37:51.599
performance.

745
00:37:51.659 --> 00:37:53.880
Let's help forget Miss Foster.

746
00:37:53.940 --> 00:37:55.380
She was on my list as well.

747
00:37:55.440 --> 00:38:00.659
There's a lot of really strong female guest stars in this in this

748
00:38:00.659 --> 00:38:01.139
season.

749
00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:05.940
Yeah, I want to say Marisa Magumbo who is incredible in turn

750
00:38:05.940 --> 00:38:06.300
left.

751
00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:08.699
I think she's wonderful and I'm so glad they bring her back.

752
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:09.960
She's great.

753
00:38:10.019 --> 00:38:13.380
And in Unicorn and the Wasp, 2 female leads for Nella Woolgar and

754
00:38:13.380 --> 00:38:14.880
our favourite.

755
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:16.860
Felicity Jones.

756
00:38:16.980 --> 00:38:19.260
Oh, Felicity Kendall.

757
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:20.460
Correct.

758
00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:22.500
Felicity Kendall, the wrong Felicity.

759
00:38:22.619 --> 00:38:22.860
Yeah.

760
00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:26.219
Christopher Benjamin is wonderful in that too, and he's still

761
00:38:26.219 --> 00:38:26.579
alive.

762
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:27.480
It's so gorgeous.

763
00:38:27.539 --> 00:38:29.219
General Cobb.

764
00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:31.260
Well naturally.

765
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:33.840
What about Julian Beach's Davros?

766
00:38:33.900 --> 00:38:37.380
Is that one that you'd say there's a standout?

767
00:38:37.500 --> 00:38:42.059
Um, I think he is the best Davros.

768
00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:43.500
Fight me.

769
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:46.380
I honestly think he does a better job than Michael Wisher.

770
00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:49.199
And I think that he does that partly because he's able to build on

771
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:52.679
Michael Wisher and partly because he just has a vastly, vastly

772
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:55.260
better mask that enables him to do more acting.

773
00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:57.059
And I think he nails it.

774
00:38:57.119 --> 00:38:59.280
I think he absolutely nails that performance.

775
00:38:59.880 --> 00:39:04.559
So, I mean, he sort of is a bit sort of hanging around in a

776
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:07.019
basement kind of saying things to people.

777
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:10.199
He doesn't get to do much sort of plot stuff.

778
00:39:10.260 --> 00:39:12.000
I love how they lampshade that though.

779
00:39:12.059 --> 00:39:13.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

780
00:39:13.260 --> 00:39:16.619
But I mean, even when he comes back in Capaldi, I mean, the only

781
00:39:16.619 --> 00:39:20.579
reason he comes back is that Moffatt wants to sit him and Capaldi

782
00:39:20.579 --> 00:39:21.840
in a room and have them talk.

783
00:39:21.900 --> 00:39:27.420
So he doesn't get quite as much to do as Michael wishes Davros, but

784
00:39:27.420 --> 00:39:29.400
he is every bit as good, I think.

785
00:39:29.460 --> 00:39:30.179
Yeah.

786
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:35.219
Is there anybody else that you would think stands out at all?

787
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:39.000
I think Colin Morgan shows a lot of early promise in midnight.

788
00:39:39.059 --> 00:39:41.940
It's no coincidence that he went basically straight from that

789
00:39:41.940 --> 00:39:43.019
episode into Merlin.

790
00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:46.920
And I think maybe Capaldi, you know, I think...

791
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:48.960
Showing early promise, Peter Capaldi.

792
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:50.579
Go to years in his career.

793
00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:53.579
It's funny, isn't it?

794
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:56.760
Because he must have thought, maybe we made this point at the time

795
00:39:56.760 --> 00:39:58.980
but he must have thought, oh, I'm finally in Doctor Who.

796
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:03.300
I'm sort of done without sort of realising that he was the

797
00:40:03.300 --> 00:40:06.780
commander Maxwell all along and that he was going to get to have

798
00:40:06.780 --> 00:40:08.400
his own go at the role.

799
00:40:08.460 --> 00:40:12.179
And he is sort of funny and marvellous, I think.

800
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:16.079
It's a bit of a, you know, it's it's not John Frobisher in

801
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:16.800
Children of Earth.

802
00:40:16.860 --> 00:40:18.179
Like, it's not a massive part.

803
00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:20.400
There's not a lot of depth to it.

804
00:40:20.460 --> 00:40:25.079
But, you know, that scene at the very end, where he is just

805
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:28.019
visibly heartbroken about what's happened to his hometown.

806
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:29.579
It's that's beautiful.

807
00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:32.039
That's an extraordinary performance, I think.

808
00:40:32.099 --> 00:40:33.960
And he gets the pitch of that episode.

809
00:40:34.019 --> 00:40:35.039
Exactly right, doesn't he?

810
00:40:35.099 --> 00:40:37.860
I think it's interesting that when I start thinking about this, I

811
00:40:37.860 --> 00:40:40.500
always think of all the female guest stars in this season, probably

812
00:40:40.500 --> 00:40:42.480
1st before the male.

813
00:40:42.539 --> 00:40:47.699
Um, And that's not to say that the guys aren't doing a great job.

814
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:49.260
Patrick Trout and Son.

815
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:50.460
I think also does a wonderful job.

816
00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:51.119
Yeah.

817
00:40:52.619 --> 00:40:54.539
Christopher Ryan?

818
00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:55.260
Oh, yes.

819
00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:56.099
Oh, yeah.

820
00:40:56.159 --> 00:40:59.039
I think it is in all as general style.

821
00:40:59.099 --> 00:41:01.739
He really does do a great job in that.

822
00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:07.800
I mean, I think... getting hit by that ball in the back of the

823
00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:11.820
probic bed is one of my favourite, funniest scenes of the entire

824
00:41:11.820 --> 00:41:12.420
season.

825
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:16.619
But it's time for another house party and we're going for the

826
00:41:16.619 --> 00:41:17.400
female edition.

827
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:18.179
So get ready.

828
00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:18.719
Here we go.

829
00:41:19.500 --> 00:41:22.559
Stacy Campbell or Suzette Chambers?

830
00:41:22.619 --> 00:41:25.199
Oh, I love Suzette.

831
00:41:25.260 --> 00:41:29.820
I have to say, um, Stacy is incredible, and we do talk about that

832
00:41:29.820 --> 00:41:31.559
in our partners in crime episode.

833
00:41:31.619 --> 00:41:35.219
She's so good and it's so terrific that she's lost weight and so

834
00:41:35.219 --> 00:41:36.599
she's going to dump her boyfriend.

835
00:41:36.659 --> 00:41:38.039
I think that's so awesome.

836
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:40.019
She can do better.

837
00:41:40.139 --> 00:41:44.760
She's a, she is a really, really, really rustly character and a

838
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:46.019
really well drawn one.

839
00:41:46.139 --> 00:41:51.900
But I think Suzette is this season's Neres or Annelise, I think.

840
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:53.579
One and done.

841
00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:57.360
But she does keep getting mentioned.

842
00:41:57.420 --> 00:41:59.099
She does get mentioned from time to time.

843
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:01.019
Jenny or Penny?

844
00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:02.219
Jenny.

845
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:04.500
Can I, can I not have a headache?

846
00:42:06.539 --> 00:42:09.900
Solana Mercurio or Trinity Wells?

847
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:11.340
Trinity Wells.

848
00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:12.659
Every time.

849
00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:14.820
Solana is so good though.

850
00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:16.619
She's so good in that episode.

851
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:18.539
It's such a good part.

852
00:42:18.539 --> 00:42:21.300
And she just does it so perfectly.

853
00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:24.960
I think you pointed this out, Todd, in the episode where you kind

854
00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:28.920
of think this is the moment where she turns and joins the doctor's

855
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:30.900
side and she doesn't.

856
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:32.039
She doesn't do it.

857
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:36.239
And she becomes, you know, she was always sort of dodgy and

858
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:39.719
horribly corporate and all of that sort of thing, but she just

859
00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:42.960
genuinely becomes horrifically evil after that.

860
00:42:43.019 --> 00:42:47.219
And her death is so satisfying and she absolutely deserves it.

861
00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:51.900
It's a really, really, you know, well-performed and well-written

862
00:42:51.900 --> 00:42:52.559
part, I think.

863
00:42:52.739 --> 00:42:55.739
Miss Foster or Miss Evangelista?

864
00:42:56.519 --> 00:42:58.800
Oh, Miss Foster every time.

865
00:42:58.860 --> 00:42:59.280
Yes.

866
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:04.860
You know, we spent a lot of time in our silence in the library

867
00:43:04.860 --> 00:43:09.360
episode talking about Miss Evangelista, and I do think that she is

868
00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:15.239
pretty great, and that scene with her dying is unbelievable.

869
00:43:15.300 --> 00:43:17.820
There's just something about a face I don't like.

870
00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:20.159
Which one?

871
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:26.699
Okay, Sky Sylvestri or the hostess?

872
00:43:27.179 --> 00:43:28.980
The hostess.

873
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:31.739
Because she saves the day.

874
00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:35.760
They're both so good That is a great performance, which, I mean, I

875
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:39.659
wanted to bring that up because you look at Sky, you look at Val

876
00:43:39.659 --> 00:43:43.559
but that performance and you never find out her name is, it's so

877
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:46.920
affecting, you know, and just the motions that she goes through at

878
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:49.860
the beginning, like she's just going through the motions, like, oh

879
00:43:49.860 --> 00:43:52.980
yes, like you would if you were on a plane and they just

880
00:43:52.980 --> 00:43:56.460
automatically do their automatic talk to the passengers.

881
00:43:56.519 --> 00:44:00.780
It's sort of like, does she, is she just sort of like hollow and

882
00:44:00.780 --> 00:44:01.619
it's dead inside?

883
00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:02.280
you know?

884
00:44:02.340 --> 00:44:06.179
Um, But then she's really scared, isn't she?

885
00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:07.320
And then really brave.

886
00:44:07.380 --> 00:44:08.579
Like, she's amazing.

887
00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:12.599
It is, it's a bit of a thankless role, maybe, or something.

888
00:44:12.659 --> 00:44:15.300
It's a role that could have been thrown away and she really, really

889
00:44:15.300 --> 00:44:16.199
inhabits it.

890
00:44:16.260 --> 00:44:16.860
She's wonderful.

891
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:21.780
I mean, the Sky Sylvestry performance is so virtuoso and such an

892
00:44:21.780 --> 00:44:25.380
amazing, just technically amazing performance.

893
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:28.920
But yeah, the hostess is really something.

894
00:44:28.980 --> 00:44:32.820
And a moment of appreciation for midnight there because it's just

895
00:44:32.820 --> 00:44:33.840
people trapped in a room.

896
00:44:33.900 --> 00:44:36.840
It lives and dies by the quality of those characters and Russell

897
00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:39.480
just creates this incredible ensemble.

898
00:44:39.539 --> 00:44:40.920
Yeah.

899
00:44:40.980 --> 00:44:43.199
Yeah, it's a play, isn't it?

900
00:44:43.260 --> 00:44:46.800
You know, it's it's absolutely a play or a short story or

901
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:47.159
something.

902
00:44:47.219 --> 00:44:48.900
It's it's so good.

903
00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:50.159
It's so good.

904
00:44:50.940 --> 00:44:53.460
Okay, the Fortune Teller?

905
00:44:53.820 --> 00:44:56.280
Well, the Spanish made.

906
00:44:57.539 --> 00:44:59.940
They're both brilliant.

907
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:03.360
James?

908
00:45:03.780 --> 00:45:08.159
The fortune teller and the Spanish maid sounds like some sort of

909
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:10.559
Agatha Christie novel, doesn't it?

910
00:45:10.619 --> 00:45:13.800
One of them points at you and the other one does a wonderful

911
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:16.800
accent saying, oh, you've got red hair or something.

912
00:45:18.420 --> 00:45:21.000
Chan, that fortune teller though.

913
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:24.599
I love the Spanish mate.

914
00:45:24.659 --> 00:45:26.820
I'm sure I read this somewhere, but someone makes the point that

915
00:45:26.820 --> 00:45:30.420
she just thinks that if she says the thing repeatedly in Spanish

916
00:45:30.420 --> 00:45:33.059
to people that they'll eventually understand her.

917
00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:36.179
But it's such a multi-layered performance as well because there's

918
00:45:36.179 --> 00:45:37.260
not only the pointing.

919
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:38.400
There's also the scowling.

920
00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:43.320
She can point and scowl at the same time.

921
00:45:43.739 --> 00:45:45.480
Double threat.

922
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:51.719
And finally, the shadow architect or the great architect.

923
00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:54.840
Oh, I don't like that shadow architect.

924
00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:56.760
Or the great architect, actually.

925
00:45:56.820 --> 00:45:57.900
He's kind of terrible too.

926
00:46:08.099 --> 00:46:09.119
Okay, moving on.

927
00:46:10.019 --> 00:46:13.139
The stories of this season.

928
00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:16.679
I mean I always talk about the best and the worst.

929
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:20.099
Where does the season fit for you?

930
00:46:20.219 --> 00:46:25.739
I find, maybe I'll start with talking about this, is that my top 3

931
00:46:25.739 --> 00:46:29.639
are midnight turn left. and the stolen earth.

932
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:32.760
And they sit right at the top of this season.

933
00:46:32.820 --> 00:46:34.980
But then I've got these other tiers.

934
00:46:35.099 --> 00:46:38.519
I've got the 3 Martha episodes, which I think are the weakest, but

935
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:40.920
that's only by default really.

936
00:46:40.980 --> 00:46:42.840
I mean, they're not totally awful.

937
00:46:42.900 --> 00:46:47.940
Um, you've got you're beginning three, the past, present, and

938
00:46:47.940 --> 00:46:53.639
future, which I think are the strongest three, of the 4 series, um

939
00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:58.199
as a group, which I said weeks ago that I give all 9 out of 10

940
00:46:58.199 --> 00:46:58.619
to.

941
00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:01.800
And then I've got this other level that are almost at that same

942
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:07.199
level, which is the unicorn and the wasp, the library episodes.

943
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:12.300
And the final episode of the season, which fits somewhere, but, you

944
00:47:12.300 --> 00:47:13.500
know, around that as well.

945
00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:15.059
There's just so many strong episodes.

946
00:47:15.659 --> 00:47:20.579
I've said lots of times that I think the last 7 episodes of this

947
00:47:20.579 --> 00:47:25.500
season are the best run of episodes that Doctor Who has ever had.

948
00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:28.380
And I think Unicorn and the Wasp makes it in there because it's

949
00:47:28.380 --> 00:47:31.619
just such good comedy and just so well made.

950
00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:35.159
And they're all different from one another, which is what you want

951
00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:36.179
from Doctor Who.

952
00:47:36.300 --> 00:47:38.460
And they're all incredibly strong.

953
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:44.099
And like, I think silence in the library and Forest of the Dead

954
00:47:44.099 --> 00:47:48.000
are Moffatt's best contribution to the RTD era.

955
00:47:48.059 --> 00:47:50.940
I like them better.

956
00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:52.679
Oh maybe that's ridiculous.

957
00:47:52.739 --> 00:47:55.860
I think I like them as much as I like blink.

958
00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:57.659
They're very different.

959
00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:01.260
They're trying to do things that are very different, but I think

960
00:48:01.260 --> 00:48:03.900
they're so strong and so interesting.

961
00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:11.039
And so for me, I would put all of those seven, you know, at a very

962
00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:11.820
top level.

963
00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:14.820
I think the 1st 3 are great, and I agree with you, Todd, I think

964
00:48:14.820 --> 00:48:20.099
that the Martha ones are weakest, and I think I like the doctor's

965
00:48:20.099 --> 00:48:21.719
daughter a bit less than you do.

966
00:48:21.780 --> 00:48:23.579
I would say that's the weakest of the season.

967
00:48:24.179 --> 00:48:26.219
Before I get to the others.

968
00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:28.980
It's interesting you picked up on the Stephen Moffatt, because one

969
00:48:28.980 --> 00:48:32.099
of my other questions was Stephen Moffatt, Russell T. Davies.

970
00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:34.380
And for me, this is the 1st season where I actually do not

971
00:48:34.380 --> 00:48:38.340
consider the Stephen Moffat episodes to be vying for any of the

972
00:48:38.340 --> 00:48:39.840
top 3 or number one positions.

973
00:48:39.900 --> 00:48:43.500
In fact, they are so they are so far down the list.

974
00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:48.480
In fact, they fall after the 3 Martha episodes, they are the next

975
00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:51.300
2 that I would put in the season.

976
00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:53.760
Everything else for me is above.

977
00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:55.079
It's a bubble shot games.

978
00:48:57.300 --> 00:49:01.619
I guess at the time when I watched them, it was like the moment

979
00:49:01.619 --> 00:49:04.139
that Cal appeared.

980
00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:08.039
It was like, oh, this is all like a fake reality sort of world.

981
00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:11.699
And I guess I was looking for all the Moffat ticks in an episode

982
00:49:11.699 --> 00:49:15.059
for the 1st time and like I was counting people and waiting for

983
00:49:15.059 --> 00:49:15.900
the jump scares.

984
00:49:16.019 --> 00:49:21.239
So, although I thought they were good, I just, I don't know

985
00:49:21.239 --> 00:49:23.699
there's just episodes that I enjoy so much more in this season, and

986
00:49:23.699 --> 00:49:26.579
not to say that they're bad, they are really solid episodes, and

987
00:49:26.579 --> 00:49:29.039
in other seasons, they would be up there, but it's the 1st series

988
00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:33.659
where the Russell scripts are the ones that I prefer, which is

989
00:49:33.659 --> 00:49:36.059
which I find interesting, you know?

990
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:38.099
Told on, totally agree with you on that.

991
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:42.300
I think, even though, objectively, I think they are very good

992
00:49:42.300 --> 00:49:44.519
episodes, I don't warm to them at all.

993
00:49:44.579 --> 00:49:48.360
And I think it may be the 1st time that you see the parts moving.

994
00:49:48.420 --> 00:49:51.900
You see the way that Stephen is assembled this script to be

995
00:49:51.900 --> 00:49:52.320
clever.

996
00:49:52.380 --> 00:49:55.619
And for that reason, I think it appeals to a lot of people, but I

997
00:49:55.619 --> 00:49:56.579
just don't quite get it.

998
00:49:57.000 --> 00:50:02.099
I mean, I like the Russell scripts more, like I think Midnight and

999
00:50:02.099 --> 00:50:06.119
Turn left are better than Silence in the Library and Forest of the

1000
00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:08.280
Dead, but I love I love those.

1001
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:11.820
See, I've always liked Russell's writing more than Stevens, even

1002
00:50:11.820 --> 00:50:15.059
though, you know, technically Steven's stories are brilliant.

1003
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:16.199
Blink is amazing.

1004
00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:22.139
His his season one, 2 parter is fantastic.

1005
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:25.980
But I've always preferred the way that Russell approaches

1006
00:50:25.980 --> 00:50:26.699
storytelling.

1007
00:50:26.820 --> 00:50:28.860
I think it's interesting.

1008
00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:32.460
I mean, yeah, no, like, I think those 2 episodes in series 4 are

1009
00:50:32.460 --> 00:50:33.539
very strong.

1010
00:50:33.719 --> 00:50:39.000
But I think they are a dry run for his version of Doctor Who.

1011
00:50:39.300 --> 00:50:45.539
Like, you can see all of the story tricks, you know, that's him

1012
00:50:45.539 --> 00:50:48.780
you know, he's developed this over the last 4 years of working on

1013
00:50:48.780 --> 00:50:54.900
the show, and you can see that this is this is what he's going to

1014
00:50:54.900 --> 00:50:57.900
do over and over and over again when he's running the show.

1015
00:50:57.960 --> 00:50:58.860
Yeah.

1016
00:50:58.920 --> 00:51:01.019
I think there's sort of diminishing returns.

1017
00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:04.739
You know, like I'd like the Moffatt era less than I like RTDs era

1018
00:51:04.739 --> 00:51:08.039
but I like them off era a lot, but I do think it sort of flops

1019
00:51:08.099 --> 00:51:10.920
more frequently than Russell's does.

1020
00:51:10.980 --> 00:51:14.039
But I think that that's because he's more ambitious than Russell

1021
00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:14.340
is.

1022
00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:19.320
Russell makes the same series, you know, 4 times and it's a great

1023
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:20.699
series and I adore it.

1024
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:25.380
But, um, and I also think Russell has a clear idea of what the

1025
00:51:25.380 --> 00:51:28.139
show is than Moffatt does.

1026
00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:31.320
And so that's why I think he's more successful, but I do think

1027
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:35.639
that, and again, we say this in the silence in the library episode

1028
00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:37.920
that Moffat loves Russell's Doctor Who.

1029
00:51:37.980 --> 00:51:39.539
That's very, very clear.

1030
00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:45.599
So he does a really good job of writing Russell Lera stories.

1031
00:51:45.659 --> 00:51:51.059
And I think that silence in the library and Forrest of the Dead is

1032
00:51:51.059 --> 00:51:56.219
where he does his best job of writing an RTD era story.

1033
00:51:56.340 --> 00:52:01.380
It's less of an event and less of a standout than blink.

1034
00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:05.280
But I just think it's really good and really properly solid.

1035
00:52:05.340 --> 00:52:06.840
Hard to argue with any of that.

1036
00:52:06.900 --> 00:52:08.280
Yeah, totally.

1037
00:52:08.340 --> 00:52:12.179
I just think it's an interesting discussion to have, considering

1038
00:52:12.179 --> 00:52:16.920
where his stories are placed in, you know, with fans over the

1039
00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:21.599
years in these 1st 4 series and how we all like different aspects

1040
00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:24.599
of Russell's writing at different times, but it's the 1st time

1041
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:29.820
where, for me, Russell has outdone, Stephen, I'm going toe to toe

1042
00:52:29.820 --> 00:52:33.059
which is, I think, which I, which right now when I'm looking at

1043
00:52:33.059 --> 00:52:36.900
your, I'm actually smiling about, because, you know, this is his

1044
00:52:36.900 --> 00:52:38.699
show and, and, and that's great.

1045
00:52:39.300 --> 00:52:41.579
All right, I'm going to agree with you.

1046
00:52:41.639 --> 00:52:42.900
I know this will make you happy.

1047
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:47.519
Midnight, turn left, stolen earth, obviously, the height of the

1048
00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:48.239
season, I think.

1049
00:52:48.300 --> 00:52:52.860
But I would also say that the 2 comedy episodes, Partners in Crime

1050
00:52:52.860 --> 00:52:56.400
and the Unicorn and the Wasp, just hit it out of the park.

1051
00:52:56.460 --> 00:52:58.500
They're so funny and light.

1052
00:52:58.619 --> 00:53:02.460
But then at the other end of the scale, I think you have really

1053
00:53:02.460 --> 00:53:07.019
maybe one of the very few flops of the RTD era, which is the

1054
00:53:07.019 --> 00:53:10.679
doctor's daughter, which I sort of think of as most likely Doctor

1055
00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:13.920
Who candidates for defenestration since that Dalek in

1056
00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:14.940
resurrection.

1057
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:18.960
So, I could cheerfully eject that one.

1058
00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:21.780
Have I had my favourites?

1059
00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:22.739
I don't think I have.

1060
00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:26.159
Um, I think you're all wrong.

1061
00:53:26.219 --> 00:53:29.460
And it's the, uh, it's the Santaran 2-parter.

1062
00:53:30.659 --> 00:53:32.099
No.

1063
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:37.380
I think my favourite, my my favourite Doctor Who story of

1064
00:53:37.380 --> 00:53:40.920
Russell's era is probably turn left.

1065
00:53:41.460 --> 00:53:50.820
Just because it's, It's so perfect in its darkness and it's, The

1066
00:53:50.820 --> 00:53:53.760
the performances in that story are just amazing.

1067
00:53:53.820 --> 00:53:55.380
I mean, it's heartbreaking.

1068
00:53:55.800 --> 00:54:01.260
And it takes, you know, the the events of, you know, this season

1069
00:54:01.260 --> 00:54:04.860
and the and, you know, the major events for the last 4 years.

1070
00:54:04.920 --> 00:54:08.940
Or at least the last, you know, 2.5 years and turns on its head

1071
00:54:08.940 --> 00:54:15.900
and shows how dark the world would be without this character

1072
00:54:15.900 --> 00:54:16.739
helping people.

1073
00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:20.280
James, I totally agree with you.

1074
00:54:20.340 --> 00:54:24.059
And like I've seen other series try to do the same thing. whether

1075
00:54:24.059 --> 00:54:28.920
it be fantasy or general US series and I don't think this can be

1076
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:29.219
better.

1077
00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:32.099
Like I really, you know, I just think it is just that good.

1078
00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:36.300
And it packs such a one to punch with midnight, where one of them

1079
00:54:36.300 --> 00:54:39.599
knocks the stuffing out of the doctor and then the next one knocks

1080
00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:42.480
the stuffing out of Donna, and by the end of it, you're just

1081
00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:43.320
gasping for breath.

1082
00:54:43.619 --> 00:54:45.360
It's amazing.

1083
00:54:45.420 --> 00:54:49.440
We didn't say this when we were talking about Donna, but it's the

1084
00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:53.940
only time where they do a double banked episode where they hang it

1085
00:54:53.940 --> 00:54:55.320
entirely on the companion.

1086
00:54:55.380 --> 00:54:59.219
You know, they get someone else in to be the lead in series

1087
00:54:59.219 --> 00:54:59.880
three.

1088
00:54:59.940 --> 00:55:03.420
They get someone else in to be the lead in series too.

1089
00:55:03.480 --> 00:55:07.500
Um, you know, they, they don't hang it on Billy or Freema.

1090
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:09.059
They hang it on someone else entirely.

1091
00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:13.679
And now you've got someone who you are absolutely delighted to

1092
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:18.420
watch an entire episode centred on them for the very 1st time.

1093
00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:20.159
I would watch an entire series of that.

1094
00:55:20.219 --> 00:55:22.619
You can listen to it at Big Finish.

1095
00:55:23.340 --> 00:55:25.260
Of course you can.

1096
00:55:34.320 --> 00:55:36.539
Okay, we're going to do another house party.

1097
00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:39.360
Obviously coming up, 2 things you've got to think about, the Jenny

1098
00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:42.840
Laird Award, and the Bonnie Langford, for most startling

1099
00:55:42.840 --> 00:55:43.260
discovery.

1100
00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:45.239
Remember we started that last series.

1101
00:55:45.300 --> 00:55:49.380
But let's go into our next house party, which is a combination of

1102
00:55:49.380 --> 00:55:53.460
a mixed pot pourri of different things.

1103
00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:57.780
So here, location, location, and the enemy within.

1104
00:55:57.840 --> 00:55:58.679
All right.

1105
00:55:58.739 --> 00:56:02.219
Ood brain or the ood brain.

1106
00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:05.460
I'll have one for an entrée and one for a main.

1107
00:56:06.539 --> 00:56:08.340
All right, thank you.

1108
00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:11.820
The planet Messaline or a planet called Midnight.

1109
00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:14.219
Sorry, was that the planet Vaseline?

1110
00:56:15.900 --> 00:56:17.579
Midnight.

1111
00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:19.139
It's got a nice pool.

1112
00:56:19.380 --> 00:56:20.940
All right.

1113
00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:23.820
Project indigo or the subway network?

1114
00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:26.820
Oh, subway for work every time.

1115
00:56:26.880 --> 00:56:28.440
Yep, yep.

1116
00:56:28.500 --> 00:56:29.460
Right.

1117
00:56:29.460 --> 00:56:33.239
Although, Project Indigo does take you immediately to go and visit

1118
00:56:33.239 --> 00:56:36.659
Francine, so it does have does have that going for it.

1119
00:56:36.780 --> 00:56:37.380
Amazing.

1120
00:56:37.380 --> 00:56:39.900
And then to see German Daleks.

1121
00:56:39.960 --> 00:56:43.199
And also the subwave network keeps rose off it, so you know.

1122
00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:50.400
Oh, the reality bomb or the Osterhagen key.

1123
00:56:50.460 --> 00:56:52.320
The earth's gone key.

1124
00:56:53.699 --> 00:56:59.219
I love the reality bomb because it's a bomb that blows up reality

1125
00:56:59.219 --> 00:57:03.599
you know, like I just think it is the best bit of techno babble in

1126
00:57:03.599 --> 00:57:04.679
Doctor Who history.

1127
00:57:04.739 --> 00:57:06.840
It does exactly what it says on the team.

1128
00:57:06.900 --> 00:57:09.539
Most bombs, if they're big enough would sort of blow up reality.

1129
00:57:09.780 --> 00:57:14.639
But all of reality for the Hagen does keep it only if it's salted

1130
00:57:14.639 --> 00:57:15.119
caramel.

1131
00:57:18.179 --> 00:57:19.679
Okay.

1132
00:57:19.739 --> 00:57:23.940
Martha's unformed clone or the Trickster's Beetle.

1133
00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:29.880
The tricks is Beetle because you can wear it as a backpack.

1134
00:57:29.940 --> 00:57:30.840
Yep, yep.

1135
00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:32.039
Excellent.

1136
00:57:32.099 --> 00:57:34.199
Atmos or Google Maps?

1137
00:57:34.260 --> 00:57:39.300
Oh, I think I think Atmos is probably a little bit more respectful

1138
00:57:39.300 --> 00:57:40.199
of your privacy.

1139
00:57:40.260 --> 00:57:41.340
Yeah, less evil.

1140
00:57:41.400 --> 00:57:43.739
I'm going to go for COVID safe.

1141
00:57:47.460 --> 00:57:50.699
Dr. Moon or the Lost Moon of Poosh.

1142
00:57:54.179 --> 00:57:57.480
Well, Dr. Moon because he's just so gorgeous.

1143
00:57:57.539 --> 00:57:58.679
Yeah, hot.

1144
00:57:58.739 --> 00:57:59.820
He's terrific.

1145
00:57:59.880 --> 00:58:01.920
And just today.

1146
00:58:02.039 --> 00:58:05.940
It was revealed in the radio times, and I'll put this in the show

1147
00:58:05.940 --> 00:58:11.099
notes, that Dr. Moon was a future version of the doctor who has

1148
00:58:11.099 --> 00:58:15.539
died and uploaded himself to a computer so that he can look after

1149
00:58:15.539 --> 00:58:18.719
River song when she gets uploaded to the computer.

1150
00:58:18.780 --> 00:58:20.760
So, uh, that's Canon.

1151
00:58:20.820 --> 00:58:22.079
It's a multidoctor story.

1152
00:58:22.139 --> 00:58:26.940
Both Stephen and Russell verify that that's what they were

1153
00:58:26.940 --> 00:58:27.360
thinking about.

1154
00:58:27.420 --> 00:58:29.099
Are you kidding me?

1155
00:58:29.159 --> 00:58:30.840
Nope, absolutely.

1156
00:58:30.900 --> 00:58:33.900
Well, they were thinking that Chipnell has introduced a 1000 new

1157
00:58:33.900 --> 00:58:34.380
doctors.

1158
00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:35.820
Why don't we introduce another one as well?

1159
00:58:37.139 --> 00:58:38.579
Okay.

1160
00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:40.739
Sorry, I'm just taking a moment.

1161
00:58:41.699 --> 00:58:43.260
All right.

1162
00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:46.199
Well, this is for Nathan.

1163
00:58:46.260 --> 00:58:51.480
Miss Foster's henchman number one or Miss Foster's henchman number

1164
00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:51.960
two.

1165
00:58:52.019 --> 00:58:54.659
There is one of them that I really like.

1166
00:58:54.719 --> 00:58:58.500
There's one who's got sort of more of a shaved head and stuff and

1167
00:58:58.500 --> 00:59:01.500
is a little bit more sort of blocky and I like him.

1168
00:59:01.559 --> 00:59:03.840
I'm going to say poke no los dos.

1169
00:59:04.260 --> 00:59:08.219
I'll go for another Miss Foster employee, call centre guy.

1170
00:59:08.280 --> 00:59:09.300
Oh yeah.

1171
00:59:09.360 --> 00:59:10.199
Okay.

1172
00:59:10.260 --> 00:59:12.300
Davros or Dalek Khan?

1173
00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:14.519
Uh, Dafros.

1174
00:59:14.579 --> 00:59:16.739
I think you can have a better conversation with Dav Ross.

1175
00:59:16.980 --> 00:59:20.280
Though Dalek Khan saves the day in the end, really.

1176
00:59:20.340 --> 00:59:22.079
What an idiot.

1177
00:59:23.400 --> 00:59:25.619
It's a very convoluted plan.

1178
00:59:25.679 --> 00:59:29.280
My theory is the Dalek Khan is played by Terry Malloy because

1179
00:59:29.280 --> 00:59:32.579
Dalek Khan and Terry Malloy's Davros both have a nice line in

1180
00:59:32.579 --> 00:59:33.539
gurgling laughter.

1181
00:59:36.900 --> 00:59:39.480
The Santarian stratagem?

1182
00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:41.760
Or the Santarian experiment?

1183
00:59:41.820 --> 00:59:43.980
Oh, experiment every time.

1184
00:59:44.579 --> 00:59:49.619
I actually think that sometime experiment isn't very good, and

1185
00:59:49.619 --> 00:59:51.119
it's certainly horrible.

1186
00:59:51.659 --> 00:59:54.300
Who was I having this conversation with?

1187
00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:54.900
I can't remember.

1188
00:59:54.960 --> 00:59:55.980
I was talking to someone online.

1189
00:59:56.039 --> 00:59:59.940
But we were sort of saying that the problem with Santaran

1190
00:59:59.940 --> 01:00:03.000
experiment is that Liz Sladen's acting is too good.

1191
01:00:03.059 --> 01:00:07.679
And so it's too horrifying, much too horrifying.

1192
01:00:07.739 --> 01:00:11.820
And so in a way, Santarin strategy being a sort of light, silly

1193
01:00:11.820 --> 01:00:16.500
early season, RTD 2 parter, even though it has a lot of problems

1194
01:00:16.500 --> 01:00:20.820
is a bit less relentless than, you know, Santarin experimented

1195
01:00:20.820 --> 01:00:21.599
half the length.

1196
01:00:21.659 --> 01:00:25.559
I prefer this on taran experiment, South African agenda, to the

1197
01:00:25.559 --> 01:00:27.659
Santaran stratagems, Polish agenda.

1198
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:34.199
Um, and finally, Helen Rayner or Douglas McKinnon?

1199
01:00:34.260 --> 01:00:35.760
Oh dear.

1200
01:00:36.420 --> 01:00:38.280
Helen Rayner.

1201
01:00:38.340 --> 01:00:43.320
She brought us some Daleks in Manhattan, and there are some good

1202
01:00:43.320 --> 01:00:45.599
scenes in that Santara 2 parter.

1203
01:00:45.659 --> 01:00:47.099
James.

1204
01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:48.360
Anything?

1205
01:00:48.480 --> 01:00:50.159
Your face.

1206
01:00:50.219 --> 01:00:52.800
That is a really terrible choice. neither.

1207
01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:54.480
Neither.

1208
01:00:54.539 --> 01:00:55.980
Perfectly acceptable.

1209
01:01:00.360 --> 01:01:05.219
We're now up to 2 of our major awards.

1210
01:01:05.280 --> 01:01:10.500
Then Jenny Laird Award are nominations and the Bonnie Langford, the

1211
01:01:10.500 --> 01:01:11.519
most startling discovery.

1212
01:01:11.579 --> 01:01:12.239
Who would like to start?

1213
01:01:12.300 --> 01:01:14.219
I'll do it, Jenny.

1214
01:01:14.280 --> 01:01:19.079
And can I say Ed Thomas for the doctor's daughter?

1215
01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:24.420
That terrible, terrible decision to set it in lots of old theatres

1216
01:01:24.420 --> 01:01:26.699
and stuff for no readily apparent reason.

1217
01:01:26.760 --> 01:01:28.800
It's baffling and terrible.

1218
01:01:29.699 --> 01:01:34.139
I would like to add to that with my Jenny Laird Award nomination

1219
01:01:34.139 --> 01:01:34.500
Nathan.

1220
01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:36.239
I think that was a terrible decision.

1221
01:01:36.300 --> 01:01:39.659
And then I think casting general cobblers and putting him in those

1222
01:01:39.659 --> 01:01:42.119
locations was a doubly terrible decision.

1223
01:01:42.179 --> 01:01:43.380
General cob loaf.

1224
01:01:49.440 --> 01:01:51.239
Look, I think I have to agree.

1225
01:01:52.980 --> 01:01:57.840
That story could have been really quite interesting, given the

1226
01:01:57.840 --> 01:02:02.579
right setting and and some, you know, better creative choices.

1227
01:02:02.639 --> 01:02:07.440
Well, I'm agreeing with you on all of everything that you've just

1228
01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:07.619
said.

1229
01:02:07.739 --> 01:02:10.800
So we're all on the same page with this one.

1230
01:02:10.980 --> 01:02:15.599
It seems that, you know, everything has coalesced so that just

1231
01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:19.559
that one, there's that one not bright spark, but the one black

1232
01:02:19.559 --> 01:02:21.119
hole of Tartarus in this season.

1233
01:02:21.539 --> 01:02:25.139
So there's not so much, there's not so much nominations.

1234
01:02:25.199 --> 01:02:26.400
We've all nominated the same.

1235
01:02:26.460 --> 01:02:27.900
So the award games too.

1236
01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:29.519
Any aspect of that story.

1237
01:02:29.699 --> 01:02:32.340
Oh, and that's nothing against Georgia.

1238
01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:36.000
I think Georgia is actually the one shining light in that story.

1239
01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:41.880
She's a good actress. given a terrible story. agree with you.

1240
01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:45.360
And look, I mean, you can you can kind of see why they got married

1241
01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:47.219
because they had chemistry.

1242
01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:50.400
Like, you can, like, you can kind of see the beginnings of that

1243
01:02:50.400 --> 01:02:51.000
relationship.

1244
01:02:51.059 --> 01:02:54.420
Like, and now look what, they have 5 children, for God's sake.

1245
01:02:54.480 --> 01:02:58.500
Can you pinpoint the exact moment between studio days when they

1246
01:02:58.500 --> 01:03:00.300
consummated their relationship for the 1st time?

1247
01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:04.920
Please edit that out.

1248
01:03:04.980 --> 01:03:08.039
With an extra twinkle, there's an extra twinkle in the eye.

1249
01:03:09.119 --> 01:03:12.059
I think it was the day after she did the backflips.

1250
01:03:12.179 --> 01:03:14.519
There was something that lit up...

1251
01:03:14.579 --> 01:03:16.800
Um, scripture.

1252
01:03:16.920 --> 01:03:22.019
I was otherwise known as Kevin Bernard, has said those are not

1253
01:03:22.019 --> 01:03:22.559
backflips.

1254
01:03:22.619 --> 01:03:23.880
There you go.

1255
01:03:23.940 --> 01:03:25.860
The Bonnie Langford.

1256
01:03:25.920 --> 01:03:27.659
I'm giving it to RTD.

1257
01:03:27.719 --> 01:03:31.559
You know, I just, like maybe I shouldn't be surprised.

1258
01:03:31.619 --> 01:03:37.019
Maybe he's not, he doesn't quite fit the category, but every year

1259
01:03:37.019 --> 01:03:41.699
it's got better and better, and this year, in Doctor Who, and

1260
01:03:41.699 --> 01:03:45.719
particularly in the finale, he manages to bring together an entire

1261
01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:51.539
world that constitutes 4 series of Doctor Who and 2 spinoff shows

1262
01:03:51.539 --> 01:03:56.519
and just make something absolutely unforgettable out of it.

1263
01:03:56.579 --> 01:03:59.699
So he gets my Bonnie Langford.

1264
01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:01.800
Can I please give to Bonnie Langford?

1265
01:04:01.860 --> 01:04:02.340
Why not?

1266
01:04:02.340 --> 01:04:02.760
Why not?

1267
01:04:02.820 --> 01:04:05.159
I don't know between 2 Bonnies Langford?

1268
01:04:05.219 --> 01:04:07.380
Bonnie Langford, exactly.

1269
01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:10.980
Mel in her time in the Rani outfit and Mel in her Paradise Towers

1270
01:04:10.980 --> 01:04:11.340
out.

1271
01:04:12.360 --> 01:04:16.079
I would also build on what Nathan's saying there.

1272
01:04:16.139 --> 01:04:19.500
I would give it to Russell specifically for midnight, because I

1273
01:04:19.500 --> 01:04:23.579
think it's just, An indication of the talent that we had in

1274
01:04:23.579 --> 01:04:27.719
Russell, where they had a script, which apparently was a perfectly

1275
01:04:27.719 --> 01:04:31.380
serviceable script called Century House, which, for whatever

1276
01:04:31.380 --> 01:04:35.519
reason, was ditched at the last minute, and Russell said, I've got

1277
01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:38.639
an idea, I'll write you something, and in no time at all, produced

1278
01:04:38.639 --> 01:04:43.800
the amazing concept and drama of midnight.

1279
01:04:43.860 --> 01:04:45.659
And as you said earlier, Nathan.

1280
01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:48.840
It's a stage play, and it's a really damn good stage play.

1281
01:04:48.900 --> 01:04:52.679
So I think you've just got to give him all of the kudos for not

1282
01:04:52.679 --> 01:04:55.500
only being able to turn out brilliant things, but being able to do

1283
01:04:55.500 --> 01:04:56.639
them at the drop of the hat.

1284
01:04:56.820 --> 01:05:02.039
And also I would give my other Bonnie Langford to the character

1285
01:05:02.039 --> 01:05:06.840
development that Donna had in the Fires of Pompeii, which takes an

1286
01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:10.380
already brilliant character and gives her really wonderful depth

1287
01:05:10.380 --> 01:05:12.000
and emotional wallop.

1288
01:05:12.059 --> 01:05:16.920
And those last 5 minutes of Pompeii entirely rest on Donna's

1289
01:05:16.920 --> 01:05:17.940
reaction to what's happening.

1290
01:05:18.000 --> 01:05:19.380
And it's just brilliant.

1291
01:05:19.440 --> 01:05:21.480
I mean, hats off to you, Russell.

1292
01:05:21.539 --> 01:05:22.980
You absolutely know what you're doing.

1293
01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:31.440
My Bunny Langford Award is also for Russell, but for for nagging

1294
01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:35.820
Jane Tranter, for years and years every time he met her to let him

1295
01:05:35.820 --> 01:05:38.579
make Doctor Who, because otherwise we wouldn't be having this

1296
01:05:38.579 --> 01:05:39.360
conversation right now.

1297
01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:41.940
What's yours, Todd?

1298
01:05:42.059 --> 01:05:47.159
I'm not going to nominate Russell, although I think it's done

1299
01:05:47.159 --> 01:05:48.599
absolute brilliant work this year.

1300
01:05:48.659 --> 01:05:52.139
There's 2 startling discoveries for me this year.

1301
01:05:52.199 --> 01:05:53.340
One is Graham Harper.

1302
01:05:53.820 --> 01:05:57.659
Because I just think he puts an incredible performance as

1303
01:05:57.659 --> 01:05:58.980
incredible performance.

1304
01:05:59.039 --> 01:06:02.940
He does incredible job as a director on so many episodes, but in

1305
01:06:02.940 --> 01:06:06.900
Unicorn and the Wasp, he's absolutely absolutely brilliant and

1306
01:06:06.900 --> 01:06:10.920
he's not having to rescue things or do like explosions with fire

1307
01:06:10.920 --> 01:06:12.420
or have guns toting.

1308
01:06:12.480 --> 01:06:15.840
And but he does that in so well in so many other episodes, but

1309
01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:19.139
that's just, I was amazed at how many episodes he actually

1310
01:06:19.139 --> 01:06:22.679
directed and the variation, just absolutely underscoring this

1311
01:06:22.679 --> 01:06:22.980
season.

1312
01:06:23.039 --> 01:06:27.840
And sort of combined with that is Planet of the Oud, which is the

1313
01:06:27.840 --> 01:06:32.280
story for me that just sort of went from, oh, yeah, that's okay to

1314
01:06:32.280 --> 01:06:36.960
like this is a 9 out of 10, which I just did not expect.

1315
01:06:37.619 --> 01:06:41.340
It's so close to what Doctor Who should be about.

1316
01:06:41.400 --> 01:06:42.659
You know, it's so good.

1317
01:06:43.500 --> 01:06:48.719
Before we move on to wrap up, is there anything else that you'd

1318
01:06:48.719 --> 01:06:52.500
like to say about this season, in terms of any performances or

1319
01:06:52.500 --> 01:06:58.079
anything that we may have forgotten, um, I had the adipose.

1320
01:06:58.139 --> 01:06:58.739
That was the other thing.

1321
01:06:58.800 --> 01:06:59.820
I love the adipose.

1322
01:06:59.880 --> 01:07:04.679
If there's one if there's one creation this year that, you know, I

1323
01:07:04.679 --> 01:07:08.820
actually have an adipose, I don't buy, I don't buy like all this

1324
01:07:08.820 --> 01:07:14.579
Doctor Who merchandise stuff, but I do have my little friend, my

1325
01:07:14.579 --> 01:07:18.000
little adipose here with me today, right?

1326
01:07:18.059 --> 01:07:19.920
My God, Todd, watch out.

1327
01:07:19.980 --> 01:07:20.820
It might attack you.

1328
01:07:20.880 --> 01:07:22.619
You've already got the CSO kitchen.

1329
01:07:22.739 --> 01:07:23.940
It's got a fang.

1330
01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:30.179
I would say that very rarely is something at its most popular when

1331
01:07:30.179 --> 01:07:31.079
it's at its best.

1332
01:07:31.139 --> 01:07:34.380
Um, and Doctor Who manages it this season.

1333
01:07:34.440 --> 01:07:37.139
It manages to be the most popular.

1334
01:07:37.199 --> 01:07:40.440
It's ever been with the general public, and on the back of being

1335
01:07:40.440 --> 01:07:43.139
maybe the best it has ever been.

1336
01:07:43.199 --> 01:07:44.880
That's so unlikely.

1337
01:07:45.420 --> 01:07:48.719
Yeah, I'm actually going to miss Russell.

1338
01:07:48.780 --> 01:07:51.840
I'm looking forward to going through the Moffat era.

1339
01:07:51.900 --> 01:07:54.719
I mean, we've got a few specials and stuff later on this year to

1340
01:07:54.719 --> 01:07:59.760
do, but I am really looking forward to doing the Moffat era

1341
01:07:59.760 --> 01:08:04.500
because it's not something that I've necessarily revisited.

1342
01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:07.019
I've got a high opinion of it. think there are a lot of good

1343
01:08:07.019 --> 01:08:07.800
things there.

1344
01:08:07.860 --> 01:08:13.500
But for me, this is my Doctor Who, absolutely without question.

1345
01:08:13.559 --> 01:08:15.719
This whole era has been magnificent.

1346
01:08:15.780 --> 01:08:20.520
And we'll have the chance to express all these sentiments again in

1347
01:08:20.520 --> 01:08:25.319
the David Tennant retrospective, I think, but let's just say it

1348
01:08:25.319 --> 01:08:30.659
now because this is his last full series and we just didn't

1349
01:08:30.659 --> 01:08:31.260
deserve him.

1350
01:08:31.500 --> 01:08:33.000
Absolutely.

1351
01:08:42.060 --> 01:08:45.119
I always talk about, you know, what we go into next, what's your

1352
01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:47.699
feeling before we actually see the things, and the next thing is

1353
01:08:47.699 --> 01:08:48.420
the specials.

1354
01:08:48.479 --> 01:08:52.140
Do you have any comments to make about the specials at all before

1355
01:08:52.140 --> 01:08:53.279
we see them?

1356
01:08:53.340 --> 01:08:54.180
Where are you at with them?

1357
01:08:54.479 --> 01:08:59.279
I haven't rewatched them for the podcast, so I haven't sort of

1358
01:08:59.279 --> 01:09:00.239
seen them for a while.

1359
01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:03.960
I'm a little bit iffy about them, I think.

1360
01:09:04.020 --> 01:09:06.600
They're mostly disposable for me.

1361
01:09:06.659 --> 01:09:13.560
In a lot of ways, I wish that Dalek had killed David in

1362
01:09:13.560 --> 01:09:14.880
episode...

1363
01:09:14.880 --> 01:09:16.140
Well, maybe not David.

1364
01:09:16.140 --> 01:09:19.800
Well, you know.

1365
01:09:19.800 --> 01:09:25.560
Not because, like, I wanted the character to leave, but in some

1366
01:09:25.560 --> 01:09:32.220
ways, like, this, the final 2 part of this season is, is...

1367
01:09:33.060 --> 01:09:35.760
Perf- it's a perfect end to the show.

1368
01:09:35.819 --> 01:09:39.960
In some ways, having that character, you know, save the universe

1369
01:09:39.960 --> 01:09:45.060
with his friends and then regenerate would have would for me have

1370
01:09:45.060 --> 01:09:48.119
been a better end than what we got.

1371
01:09:49.199 --> 01:09:52.560
And look, not to say anything against the specials.

1372
01:09:52.619 --> 01:09:56.399
The specials are enjoyable, but they're, it feels like they've

1373
01:09:56.399 --> 01:10:01.020
been tacked on at the end because they had to buy another year for

1374
01:10:01.020 --> 01:10:05.520
um, Moffatt to get up to speed with with his version of the show.

1375
01:10:05.760 --> 01:10:10.199
I think specials are not a great way of doing Doctor Who, and

1376
01:10:10.199 --> 01:10:11.039
that's part of the problem.

1377
01:10:11.159 --> 01:10:14.100
The Doctor Who is something that has to happen every week and has

1378
01:10:14.100 --> 01:10:15.659
to be different from week to week.

1379
01:10:15.720 --> 01:10:17.579
And so, yeah, unless it's Christmas.

1380
01:10:17.640 --> 01:10:18.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1381
01:10:18.720 --> 01:10:22.439
Well, we'll get to talk about that at the end of the next, well, at

1382
01:10:22.439 --> 01:10:23.460
the end of the specials, really.

1383
01:10:23.520 --> 01:10:27.420
And, you know, for me, they're up and down and all over the place

1384
01:10:27.420 --> 01:10:30.060
and this would have been a great final.

1385
01:10:30.479 --> 01:10:33.779
Well, you know, I think they actually suffer from the loss of

1386
01:10:33.779 --> 01:10:34.920
production momentum.

1387
01:10:34.979 --> 01:10:39.600
I think that regardless of how exhausted Russell and Julie and

1388
01:10:39.600 --> 01:10:42.479
Phil and everyone else was as they sort of barrelled through 3

1389
01:10:42.479 --> 01:10:43.500
full-time seasons.

1390
01:10:43.560 --> 01:10:48.659
There's kind of a creative synergy that comes from that where they

1391
01:10:48.659 --> 01:10:51.659
just keep on being brilliant because they're naturally creative

1392
01:10:51.659 --> 01:10:51.899
people.

1393
01:10:51.960 --> 01:10:55.199
I think the moment that they take their foot off the accelerator.

1394
01:10:55.260 --> 01:10:58.680
Everything kind of collapses a little bit and they have to try

1395
01:10:58.680 --> 01:11:01.199
very hard to wind it back up into those specials.

1396
01:11:01.500 --> 01:11:04.560
Well, here we are at the end of series 4.

1397
01:11:04.859 --> 01:11:08.279
I was going to do one more house party, but they get that one

1398
01:11:08.279 --> 01:11:08.939
final time.

1399
01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:10.739
It's Snog, marry, avoid.

1400
01:11:11.579 --> 01:11:12.060
Hooray.

1401
01:11:12.119 --> 01:11:13.979
Zog, Mary, avoid.

1402
01:11:14.039 --> 01:11:16.859
So James, I'm starting with you.

1403
01:11:17.340 --> 01:11:19.739
Snog, Mario, void.

1404
01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:23.640
Friends of the Oud, the household gods.

1405
01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:29.340
The people visiting midnight in the car in that band thing with

1406
01:11:29.340 --> 01:11:29.640
the doctor.

1407
01:11:30.060 --> 01:11:35.460
I would avoid the people on the bus in midnight.

1408
01:11:35.520 --> 01:11:36.180
Good choice.

1409
01:11:36.239 --> 01:11:37.739
Because they're terrible people.

1410
01:11:38.220 --> 01:11:40.739
They're just a bunch of...

1411
01:11:41.939 --> 01:11:44.640
A bus floating between us.

1412
01:11:44.699 --> 01:11:47.100
Yes, yes, yes, I have.

1413
01:11:48.539 --> 01:11:50.939
So I'd avoid them.

1414
01:11:51.119 --> 01:11:59.640
I would marry friends of the Eude, because they have good politics

1415
01:11:59.640 --> 01:12:04.199
and seem to be decent people, and...

1416
01:12:04.199 --> 01:12:07.199
Oh, stock of the household gods.

1417
01:12:07.260 --> 01:12:11.220
Well, well, that's a threesome, David, Catherine Day.

1418
01:12:11.279 --> 01:12:11.939
Okay.

1419
01:12:12.899 --> 01:12:15.119
That's not, yeah.

1420
01:12:15.479 --> 01:12:17.100
All right.

1421
01:12:17.159 --> 01:12:17.880
Thank you.

1422
01:12:18.000 --> 01:12:19.380
Peter.

1423
01:12:19.800 --> 01:12:21.180
Yes.

1424
01:12:21.239 --> 01:12:22.020
Quintus.

1425
01:12:22.560 --> 01:12:26.279
Davenport, Ross Jenkins.

1426
01:12:27.600 --> 01:12:29.520
Good grief.

1427
01:12:29.579 --> 01:12:33.720
That's the argument for bigamy that we've been waiting for.

1428
01:12:33.779 --> 01:12:34.920
I mean, wow.

1429
01:12:35.039 --> 01:12:40.500
All right, so I would definitely Snog Ross because he's not a

1430
01:12:40.500 --> 01:12:42.420
particularly great actor, so I'm not sure you'd want him around

1431
01:12:42.420 --> 01:12:44.460
all of the time, but he'd be very good for snogging.

1432
01:12:44.520 --> 01:12:49.979
Um, I would um, avoid Davenport, unless he was bringing me a

1433
01:12:49.979 --> 01:12:57.180
sidecar cocktail and I would marry, um, I would marry Quintus

1434
01:12:57.180 --> 01:13:00.960
because I think marrying into that family would be great and you'd

1435
01:13:00.960 --> 01:13:03.359
have Peter Capaldi as your father-in-law.

1436
01:13:03.600 --> 01:13:05.399
There you go.

1437
01:13:05.460 --> 01:13:05.760
Wow.

1438
01:13:05.819 --> 01:13:06.180
Okay.

1439
01:13:06.239 --> 01:13:08.159
And Nathan, Snog Mario Void.

1440
01:13:08.220 --> 01:13:12.359
Theme park historicals, the doctor's daughter, the massacre.

1441
01:13:15.659 --> 01:13:18.180
Which are you going to avoid?

1442
01:13:18.239 --> 01:13:21.659
Well, I'll avoid the massacre for reasons that are now well

1443
01:13:21.659 --> 01:13:23.579
rehearsed and well understood.

1444
01:13:23.640 --> 01:13:24.659
Legion.

1445
01:13:24.720 --> 01:13:31.020
I would probably I would marry the doctor's daughter, but I would

1446
01:13:31.020 --> 01:13:36.060
obviously cheat on that story with celebrity historicals.

1447
01:13:36.119 --> 01:13:38.520
So that would be the one that I would snog.

1448
01:13:38.760 --> 01:13:40.439
That'd be great.

1449
01:13:40.500 --> 01:13:43.260
Can you imagine married to the doctor's daughter sitting in that

1450
01:13:43.260 --> 01:13:46.739
car bickering until the end of your life and just pining away for

1451
01:13:46.739 --> 01:13:48.300
being with Unicorn and the Wasp?

1452
01:14:15.659 --> 01:14:19.680
Well, dear listener, that's all we have time for this series.

1453
01:14:19.800 --> 01:14:23.340
So, we'll be having a few weeks' well earned break before

1454
01:14:23.340 --> 01:14:26.399
returning for Christmas in July with the next doctor.

1455
01:14:26.819 --> 01:14:30.539
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts

1456
01:14:30.539 --> 01:14:33.720
and you can keep up with us at Flightthrough Entirety on Facebook

1457
01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:37.319
add FTE Podcast on Twitter, and on our website, Flightthrough

1458
01:14:37.319 --> 01:14:40.619
Entirety.com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts

1459
01:14:40.619 --> 01:14:43.020
Bondfinger, and Jody into Terra.

1460
01:14:43.199 --> 01:14:48.420
Until next time, every night when it gets dark and the stars come

1461
01:14:48.420 --> 01:14:51.300
out, we'll look up at the sky and think of you.

1462
01:14:51.359 --> 01:14:54.359
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1463
01:14:54.420 --> 01:14:55.439
Good night.

1464
01:14:55.500 --> 01:14:56.760
Midnight.

1465
01:14:56.819 --> 01:14:57.899
See you soon.

1466
01:15:00.960 --> 01:15:04.380
That was Flight 3 Entirety, starring Todd Bealby, Nathan Bottomley

1467
01:15:04.380 --> 01:15:05.100
Peter Griffith, St.

1468
01:15:05.100 --> 01:15:05.939
James Selwood.

1469
01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:09.060
Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, Strings performance by Jane

1470
01:15:09.060 --> 01:15:09.899
Orberg.

1471
01:15:09.960 --> 01:15:13.920
This episode, Dalek Khan saves the day, was recorded on the 3rd of

1472
01:15:13.920 --> 01:15:16.859
May 2020 and released on the 14th of June.

1473
01:15:19.920 --> 01:15:23.159
Fans of Snogmarrier Void will be delighted to learn that the only

1474
01:15:23.159 --> 01:15:28.560
correct response this series would be to snob Dr. Moon to marry Dr

1475
01:15:28.560 --> 01:15:32.340
Moon and to avoid not snogging or marrying Dr. Moon.

1476
01:15:33.600 --> 01:15:36.659
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1477
01:15:36.720 --> 01:15:38.100
Good night.

1478
01:15:38.939 --> 01:15:40.619
Midnight.

1479
01:15:40.680 --> 01:15:42.420
At midnight.

1480
01:15:44.159 --> 01:15:45.960
See you soon.

1481
01:15:46.020 --> 01:15:47.159
Brilliant.

1482
01:15:47.220 --> 01:15:49.859
The 2 of you said good night at midnight at the same time.

1483
01:15:49.920 --> 01:15:52.020
No, because you're on different tracks.

1484
01:15:52.020 --> 01:15:52.859
I can fix it.

1485
01:15:52.979 --> 01:15:55.020
You can just cut this number, make it sound like idiot.

1486
01:15:55.079 --> 01:15:56.100
You can save it in post.

1487
01:15:56.220 --> 01:15:57.659
More like idiot than I usually do.

1488
01:15:57.720 --> 01:16:02.100
It's I notice I avoided Snorg Mario boy.

1489
01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:04.619
I'm being charged, so I am.

1490
01:16:04.619 --> 01:16:07.619
That was very cool of you giving me so many hotties.

1491
01:16:07.739 --> 01:16:09.420
Who are you?

1492
01:16:09.479 --> 01:16:11.279
No, you snog them.

1493
01:16:11.340 --> 01:16:13.560
Marry them and then avoid them all at once.

1494
01:16:13.619 --> 01:16:16.020
Well, in succession, I would think.

1495
01:16:16.380 --> 01:16:19.079
That's my grinder technique, as we well know.

1496
01:16:19.140 --> 01:16:20.100
Polyamorous.

1497
01:16:20.159 --> 01:16:21.720
Todd, that was fantastic.

1498
01:16:21.779 --> 01:16:22.680
That was so great.

1499
01:16:22.739 --> 01:16:25.319
Can I ask everyone to stop?

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Yep.

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In the name of love.