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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight from Entirety, the

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only Doctor Who commentary podcast that thinks that nothing is

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more festive than widowhood, child labour, and violently

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electrocuting a bunch of old white men.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Todd, and I'm a hastily put together copper kettle with one of

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Katie Manning's old black stray cats, hand me downs draped all

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over it, much like this podcast.

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So it's Christmas in July.

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Uh, and uh, as is now traditional uh, at Yuletide.

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We've all gathered together in order to look at the 2008, I want

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to say, Christmas special, which is the next doctor.

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So we have taken a bit of a break and we will continue to take a

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bit of a break.

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We're going to be back later in the year with the rest of the

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specials.

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But for now, what could be more Christmassy than July and some

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sort of faux Victorian stuff and some even faux snow?

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Victorian values All right.

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So we have our Blu-ray on the menu screen. and I'm going to ask

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Brendan to press play and the viewer to press play when I next say

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our code word.

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And what is our code word?

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Our code word is mercy.

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So when I next say that word, I want everyone at home to press the

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play button, all right, here goes mercy.

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We'll need it. we're off.

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Yeah, this looks super fake, doesn't it?

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Whooshing.

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Peter Bush.

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Oh, so do we want to talk about what was going to lead into this

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at the end of...

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Well, drunkenness, I think, about the speed which it appears to

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have been written in.

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So I think Nathan is referring to the fact that there was a

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cliffhanger ending filmed for Journey's end where the doctor is

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travelling in the TARD. having dropped Donna off and 2 cybermen

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appear behind him.

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And he gets to say what, what, what?

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And he gets to say, what, what, what?

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And the 1st scene of this was then going to be the sidemen fading

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away, the doctor realising they were in the vortex and following

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them, Russell quite rightly decided to get rid of that before this

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was shot.

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Um, so, uh, look, I love this opening scene. because the last time

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we have seen the doctor, you know, he is heartbroken with what he

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has had to do to Donna, and this scene just tells us, you know, we

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are not going to have another year, like with Martha, where he's

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pining for his lost companion for 13 episodes.

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No, we are straight in and we are having fun.

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Well, except that we are pining for his companion in this.

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We will lace to discover. but you're right And the viewer is?

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Well, I mean, how many weeks is it?

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Is it months between?

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Oh, it's months.

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It's now months.

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So we're allowed to have forgotten Donna.

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Oh, look.

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So this is Rosita.

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She is absolutely superb.

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What do you think Todd?

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Yes, I like her a lot.

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Rosita.

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Yeah.

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Oh, and look, it's the new doctor.

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It's it's CBS's answer to Dr. Pin Medicine, where you're 1996.

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Oh, really?

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Well, I'm just saying like if CBS were going to cast somebody, they

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would cast David Morrissey in that coach and everything and call

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it Doctor Who, time traveller.

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I think he works for me.

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He's got a very old young face.

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Yeah, old face.

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No, he's got a very old kind of a classic doctor kind of vibe to

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him, you know, it's a big, it's a big performance.

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It's a sort of Colin Bake-ish performance.

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I think it's a bit Jack D on uppers.

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He's got, if you know, the current host of, I'm sorry, I haven't a

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clue in everything else that he does.

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I like David Morrissey from what I've just seen of all .3 seconds

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of him is because he's a lot naughtier and bigger than how he's

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playing it.

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I think he'd be one of those rambunctious, bit more Tom.

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What's his favourite thing you like to do, Dr. Pubs?

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like doing pubs?

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Oh dear.

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Meeting ladies in pubs.

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Yes.

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That is I want to say it's crap, but I have a cat that does that.

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But it's not even a cat, like that is actually quite shocking, that

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cyber shade thing.

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It feels like Shilly Bassie's comeback. don't know why.

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I just think it's...

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I just think as an Taryn Woodbeast, that Sidemen had picked up and

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then slapped on a mask.

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My head pennon is that it is a cat.

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Um, but which is why it has has um, brass hands so that it can

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climb things.

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And so later on it can, you know, drive a hansom cab later.

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But the whole cyber kind of process floods it with hormones and

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turns it into a person in a sort of gorilla suit.

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I haven't seen any of this.

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I'd like to think Russell is having a go at the Tyron Woodbeast.

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I really liked, and it wasn't just that he wrote it at 3 AM in the

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morning after 2 bottles of whiskey.

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I also think it didn't turn out the way it originally intended.

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And the names cyber shade suggests this, that they were going to

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be sort of more ghost.

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Raston warrior skin suit thing.

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But I mean, this is fun.

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This is Christmas and we're already pissed, you know, like this is

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fun.

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Ow, ow, ow, ow.

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And we've got like, you know, we're having David Tennant's bums

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you know?

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That's really hurting.

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We're not going to burn through our... trousers at all.

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No, but, you know, like a scene where David Tennant... that

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hurts.

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Good.

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I've wanted that for 3 years.

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Morrissey is completely unconvincing as the doctor.

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I don't mind it a bit.

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No, I think so too.

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I think this is the big problem.

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He's your dad's idea of who Doctor Who is. exactly.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He was never going to be the next doctor because he's not cockney

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and he doesn't know pop culture and it was never, ever going to be

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this.

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But I think we didn't know that.

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Did we or did we?

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No, no, we didn't.

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We absolutely didn't.

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They kept it under wraps.

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As soon as confidential comes out, you know, Russell says, of

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course, he was never going to be the doctor, but because we'd just

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done this fake out regeneration a few weeks ago.

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And because everyone knows that David is leaving by now.

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So between that, um, actually, no, it was before, um, Journey's

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End went out that it was announced that Tennant was leaving, which

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is why that regeneration had such an impact, um, they're playing

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with it again here.

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And I think Richard, in terms of him being unconvincing, it is, as

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Nathan says, because he is the public's idea of what the old

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Doctor Who's are.

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And to the point that as opposed to tenet, he is very sexless.

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of looks at him and he's completely oblivious too to any romantic

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overtures because he's a classic Doctor Who.

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But he said that he actually went and looked at like the 1st 4

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doctors.

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That's who he studied to come up with this.

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But I like the fact that he is so unconvincing because we know

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that he's not the doctor and the doctor's half fooled by it, you

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know?

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Yeah, should we have moments of honesty?

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These were the days when several of us were being very careful to

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not look at the giveaways, weren't we?

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I think Brendan, you and I were.

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I thought he was.

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You did.

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Yeah, well, I didn't believe as such.

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Pretty handsome in that shot.

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It's dashing.

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I mean, he can see incredible.

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I can see him coming emerging erectly from a mill pond and

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exciting 18th century young ladies in Bordices.

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He's a lovely pile, you have, Mr. Arcy.

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He is a plausible choice to cast for the next one.

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It's a plausible choice.

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And he's dashed, and looking, he's doing he's doing scrute.

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He's doing pert we stare?

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He's kind of lovely.

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He's just so enormously Irish.

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I'm not being racialist.

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He's just enormously Irish.

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I actually think that the best thing about him is him being sort

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of, you know, a bit lost.

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And then later on, I think he does a great job, you know, when he

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finds out who he is.

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But it does, I mean, this is supposed to be, you know, the hook

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for the story, isn't it?

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Like it's called the next doctor.

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That's what all the publicity was about.

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He was appearing on chat shows and people were saying, are you the

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next doctor and stuff like that?

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Like it was a thing, but I just don't know that it works as a

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hook.

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Well, maybe initially, but it becomes very obvious that he's not

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the next doctor.

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I think it's the moment where he says the cyberman landed onto

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London or appeared onto London or something.

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It's kind of like, you haven't really mastered the whole kind of

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lingo thing.

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He's a little bit too Victorian, I think.

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Well, he's probably hung over.

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Yeah, something I love about this story is bat cyberman.

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The way the cybermen are directed.

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There's although there's all those shots from beneath.

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We've got the cyber leader with, you know, the black carapace and

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brain, brain.

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Big black Teflon cyber crotch.

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Hello.

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This is directed by Andy Goddard.

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I think this is the only Doctor Who he does, but he does 6

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Torchwoods.

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Is that why did he not?

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Oh, just cause torchwood.

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I like that he's doing a lot of interesting woo-woo, as you were

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saying.

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It feels very much how you would film now rather than even 5 years

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ago.

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And I think also, possibly part of the reason he doesn't go on to

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do more is, of course, very few, if any, um, directors from

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Russell's era go on to the Moffatt era, Ashley Way does, I know

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who, um, uh, he did Attack of the Grasp.

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But I think it's not so much a conscious choice of, I don't want

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these people, but more probably more a choice of, I know I want

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these people.

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Um, so I don't think it's a JNT thing of, I don't want anyone more

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experienced than me because I think, you know, Moffat was so

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established as a producer that I don't think he would have thought

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that.

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And of course he gets writers back, certainly, from the Russell

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era.

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But I think it's probably a matter of Moffatt going, I know, I

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know the directors I want to work with and bring them on.

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And also people like Eros Lynn have kind of said, you know, when

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Russell and Julie went, they were my team.

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So I learned as well, et cetera.

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And certainly no directors from the Moffeteer I have thus far

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directed for the Chibnol era.

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I think, you know, like, when you take over making a big change to

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how the show looks, and both mop it.

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Both Moppet and Chiefnell have done that.

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So you're going to have your own directors rather than bringing

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back people who have a certain style associated with the previous

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showrunner.

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Well, I think this Sonic joke. love it.

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I love it.

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Um, I just, I just find this episode so much fun and it, it hangs

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on the chemistry between these 2 who had worked together. before

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in Blackpool.

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The TV series, not necessarily the location.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I'm getting a bit of a vibe that they've both snogged and both

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decided to put it behind them and never mentioned it again.

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It's that kind of chemistry element, yeah.

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Also, girls not getting much of a look in.

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No.

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So this scene is the one where Russell on the commentary says

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actually, this is not our Doctor Who style.

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The camera's too, um, you know, it moves too much.

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It's a little bit more modern.

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This is what we do in torture.

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Doctor Who's house style doesn't actually do this.

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Yeah, it's all handheld.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It is quite different.

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Whereas it's that, you know, stylised hyper real thing that Doctor

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Who normally does in this era.

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But yeah, I like the uneasiness of this camera work.

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It works for the plot because we don't know what's going on and

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the viewer themselves are uncomfortable and uncertain, but I don't

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know whether that's a conscious creative choice or not.

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I think, you know, I think that this is the sort of thing that

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Moffatt would have done better than Russell, because all Russell

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is going to come up with is it was a tech thing that did it.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Whereas you would have to think that Moffatt, you know, when he

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creates a mystery.

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He properly pays it off and does something that, you know, is

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incredibly clever, that you feel like you would never have thought

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of.

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And Russell will Russell said later that as soon as he watched it

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on broadcast, he realised what he got wrong about the ending.

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Yeah, I love that bit with the pocket watch.

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It's just a broken pocket watch.

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I still wasn't convinced.

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Does anyone else remember their 1st viewing of this?

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I do, actually, because it was the 1st episode I viewed when I

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moved to the UK.

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Oh, and I was at my then boyfriend's house.

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Hello, Lee, if you're listening.

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His family house, right, because they took me in for Christmas

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which was lovely.

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On the doorstep in a tiny basket.

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He's not...

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Dear listener.

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He doesn't take up a lot of space.

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But yeah, you know, this, this, as Nathan says, we're all, you

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know, we're already drunk watching this, this is the perfect

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episode to watch in a large crowd of people.

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We've had fans and non-fans.

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Yes.

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Oh, hello.

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Yeah.

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I'm getting little.

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Do you sensing that this is already the 4th album and they're just

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trying to go.

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They're just going over the highlights and past successes.

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Well, no, because I mean, I think this is different from the

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previous Christmas specials.

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I mean, all of the other previous Christmas specials were set.

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What, in earth, like on earth in the present day?

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Did I, is that crazy?

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No you're right.

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Yeah, they're all, and so this is the 1st one in the past.

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Yes, exactly.

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And so it's the perfect time.

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Moffatt's going to get, you know, like in 2 years time when he

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gets his 1st go at the Christmas special.

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He's going to produce something, you know, beyond incredible. love

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Moffatt's Christmas specials.

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I love all of them.

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I know that's not a popular.

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I love all of them, but I do love the 1st one.

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I love them all except for the 1st one and the last one.

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Oh my god.

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Oh the last one's absolute nonsense.

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Is that the one when they all get married to River song again?

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No, no, that's good.

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I love that one. the one where they all get married to David

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Bradley.

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Yeah, that's shockingly bad.

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I'm not going to comment on that.

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Because I like them all except for that horrible widow wardrobe.

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You don't like that one?

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I love that one.

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That's my favourite.

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She's the worst.

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Gasp.

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But I don't particularly like this one.

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I didn't like it very much on the first viewing.

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Like, I think it's the weakest of the...

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I want some darker humour.

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This should be, it looks like a set from Black Garder if they'd

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had some money, but it's also a bit black books.

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Oh, hello.

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That's pretty good.

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That's pretty good. door.

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And we've got Tams and Greg on set again.

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She was very tall.

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Did you realise how tall?

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as it actually is.

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There she is again.

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Yeah, I just think the problem is that it doesn't know what it's

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doing.

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I mean, the 1st one is, you know, the Christmas invasion, a big

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giant invasion with all of the people that we love waiting for the

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doctor to come and save them.

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You know, the 2nd one is Donna, for God's sake, what else do you

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need?

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And the 3rd one is the Titanic.

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Panic with Kylie.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And what's this?

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I mean, I think that he thinks, or that he must have thought that

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the David Morrissey thing would be big enough to be the thing.

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But there's nothing else around it.

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But, but hang on, you mean, you have to have to say that, you know

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the last 3 or 4 episodes of the show in series 4 has gotten bigger

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and bigger and bigger.

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And so where do you go from there?

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Yeah, no, that is true.

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But I don't mean that it's the stakes aren't high because, I mean

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in a way they are.

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It's just like, what are we doing?

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Like, what are we supposed to be, you know, feeling or how do we

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some, you know, like, what's the elevator pitch, you know?

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And particularly since this mystery here.

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Who are they listening to?

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Tragedy.

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I can't go on.

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Only time we can afford that this episode.

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It was a Jason Donovan USB stick.

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From a few from ouch.

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Look, I think it, I think the other thing that it has going, Fred

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apart from Morrissey, um, is um, the villain and we'll talk about

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her when she comes because I think she's something.

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She's a bit telly-scaled Diana Rigg, isn't she?

394
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Well, I think she's great.

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Yeah, I think she is, you know, one of the best villains of the

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year.

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Until we get tired, Rick.

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The thing is, though, and I was discussing this with someone on

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Twitter this morning, today, this week, I should say, where they

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kind of said Diana Rigg was completely wasted in the Crimson

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Horror.

402
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I'm very sorry.

403
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I greatly respect you.

404
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I think I think it might have been Will Maddox.

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Um, But I said, Diana Rig. turns up and instead of being glamorous

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like she even is in Game of Thrones.

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She goes, no, I am going to go completely arching over the top

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like I've never performed anything before.

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And to me, that is respecting the part to play so against her

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type.

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Well, speaking of arch and over the time.

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Actually, no, I think this red dress and her whole look is

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fantastic.

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This is Dynasty Colby's, isn't it?

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It's even Nancy Reagan Red.

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It's Coronation Street, 1851.

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Is she Pat Phoenix?

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This, I mean, this is very strange in that, of course, it's, you

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know, being shot, what, in August or something.

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And so it's not a very hot day.

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I think they've probably done a better job with it than they did

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with a runaway bride.

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Still very bright, isn't it?

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It is very bright, though, isn't it?

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It is.

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Yeah, and the snow is very localised.

427
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She is so great. d'oeuvre curve, I think.

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She is great.

429
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She's apparently now in Big Finish.

430
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She's now doing the...

431
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The Miss Partican 4 box set.

432
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Make it a new Miss Quill?

433
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She's a new Miss Quill.

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Oh, really?

435
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Yeah, yeah.

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Could they get her back?

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They got her for the original one, yes, for the 1st lot.

438
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Oh, and they she regenerated into...

439
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And I can kind of hear it in her inflections and tone and that

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sort of thing.

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I can see that and choice.

442
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Yeah, very good choice.

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It's clear that she's a former prostitute.

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Uh, well, she she talks about men, men asserting themselves

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against her in the night.

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Which could just mean.

447
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And she calls out the guy who recognises, like, who knows her last

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name.

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One of these old men knows her last name. and she calls him a

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cheeky boy.

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I love this.

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I loved the Cyberman coming through the snow in this.

453
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That was my one of my favourite things.

454
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Yeah, it's 10th planet.

455
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I mean that's what Russell's doing.

456
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She is the David Bradley of this episode.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's a great shot.

460
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Look at that.

461
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And I think there is...

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Possibly a deliberate choice here that the person who confronts

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her is the priest because, of course, D'Euveau Kirvin's breakout

464
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role was in Ballet Kiss Angel, where she falls in love with the

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priest.

466
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And she then left that show to do Good Night, Sweetheart, as the

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original Phoebe.

468
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She left that show after one series and was replaced with, if I

469
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may say, an actress who was much better for the role and I very

470
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much prefer the 2nd Phoebe in that show.

471
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Oh.

472
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Now, see, you have to enjoy this.

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These are people who run workhouses and priests and they all

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deserve to die.

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And so this is a massive triumph.

476
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Yeah, and the Tyron would beasts are involved.

477
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They are involved as well.

478
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Mr. Cole and Mr. Scones could be referenced to Doctor Who Author

479
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Stephen Cole, and...

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The Historian... an author.

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Paul.

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I was going to say Paul Scones, yes.

483
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Paul Scoon.

484
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But I think there was a visual effects assistant.

485
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But Ian Scones was just a model maker and not I don't mean just

486
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but everyone, you know, everyone liked his work.

487
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Yes.

488
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He built the fabulous, come on, invasion of time.

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Varden Starship.

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Out of an old vacuum cleaner. pretty much like the acting style of

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this episode.

492
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She's so good, isn't she?

493
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And this line, which really drops like a brick, but let's go for

494
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it.

495
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The point is they'd all still vote for her.

496
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They will give them another 100, what, 30 years?

497
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Yeah, just a blink of another.

498
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The sexless here.

499
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Rosita hugs him and he admonishes her very gently, but like, oh, a

500
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little decorum, darling.

501
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It's also a very Victorian thing to do.

502
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How did she get to know him again?

503
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He saved her again from 2 men who asserted themselves against her

504
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in the night.

505
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Oh, no, they were Cybermen though, weren't they?

506
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It was the Cyberman.

507
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I believe she talks about it later, but I could be wrong and I

508
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could be conflating that with later when Miss Hartigan says, I

509
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don't think he's paid you to talk.

510
00:22:33.599 --> 00:22:37.140
Yeah, so that is a very dark line from Russell.

511
00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:42.900
But remember when, when she talks, where Miss Hardigan later talks

512
00:22:42.900 --> 00:22:47.640
about the cyberman will rise and then she says, so like a man, and

513
00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:51.779
it's clearly a reference to, you know, sort of downstairs.

514
00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:58.980
And, and so both of them, both Rosita and, um, Miss Hardican are

515
00:22:58.980 --> 00:23:03.240
like, at least kind of hinted at as being prostitutes, right?

516
00:23:03.299 --> 00:23:07.559
And see, what I think is super interesting and maybe the only

517
00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:11.160
properly interesting thing about this episode is that Miss

518
00:23:11.160 --> 00:23:16.259
Arctican is an absolute genius who is one of the most powerful

519
00:23:16.259 --> 00:23:19.799
minds on the planet who is able to assert herself over the cyber

520
00:23:19.799 --> 00:23:20.099
king.

521
00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:21.660
All of that.

522
00:23:21.720 --> 00:23:28.319
And because she's a woman, there's no way that that brilliance and

523
00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:32.579
superbness could ever be recognised or acknowledged, and she lives

524
00:23:32.579 --> 00:23:35.640
in this sort of society where she's sort of condemned to cleaning

525
00:23:35.640 --> 00:23:37.559
the floor of workhouses or whatever.

526
00:23:37.980 --> 00:23:40.440
And no one sort of comments.

527
00:23:40.500 --> 00:23:43.440
No one says, you're just a woman or you're just a, you know

528
00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:45.900
scullery, wench or whatever.

529
00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:48.480
How can you be such a genius?

530
00:23:48.539 --> 00:23:52.980
And I think that's, that's perhaps the only kind of interesting

531
00:23:52.980 --> 00:23:53.640
thing happening.

532
00:23:54.779 --> 00:23:56.339
Hmm.

533
00:23:56.400 --> 00:23:58.920
Yeah, I think, yeah, there's some very interesting stuff happening

534
00:23:58.920 --> 00:24:02.339
with with Rosita and Mercy.

535
00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:04.440
And you're quite right, Nathan.

536
00:24:04.500 --> 00:24:07.859
She just said there that a cyberman. came out of the shadow.

537
00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:11.940
So Jackson Lake here is set up exactly the way Christopher

538
00:24:11.940 --> 00:24:17.579
Ecclson's doctor met Rose, you know, saving her from a monster, a

539
00:24:17.579 --> 00:24:19.440
man made of plastic, a man made of metal.

540
00:24:19.500 --> 00:24:20.039
Yeah, you know?

541
00:24:20.099 --> 00:24:23.579
Do you think she's gone to the Bonnie Langford school of hair?

542
00:24:24.299 --> 00:24:26.220
It's very curly.

543
00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:28.140
It's fantastic.

544
00:24:28.200 --> 00:24:29.339
Her hair is fantastic.

545
00:24:29.400 --> 00:24:30.240
She just looks amazing.

546
00:24:30.299 --> 00:24:32.759
She is like, she looks stunning.

547
00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:35.880
Before we started recording Todd, you said she hasn't done much

548
00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:36.720
acting work since.

549
00:24:36.779 --> 00:24:40.319
She's done some things, but it seems to be quite sporadic.

550
00:24:40.380 --> 00:24:43.440
It's a shame because I really like her in this.

551
00:24:44.759 --> 00:24:46.619
This is a great moment.

552
00:24:46.680 --> 00:24:48.420
It's a balloon, Penelope.

553
00:24:49.140 --> 00:24:53.579
And he's wearing a perchwee style kind of cape thing, too.

554
00:24:53.700 --> 00:24:54.299
Yes.

555
00:24:54.299 --> 00:24:54.779
Keep.

556
00:24:54.779 --> 00:24:55.799
Yes.

557
00:24:55.859 --> 00:24:56.759
No, you're right.

558
00:24:56.819 --> 00:24:58.079
Heartigan.

559
00:24:58.140 --> 00:24:58.980
What's her name?

560
00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:00.960
Doran...

561
00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:01.799
Yeah, Hardigan.

562
00:25:01.859 --> 00:25:02.700
Yachenachen.

563
00:25:02.759 --> 00:25:04.559
Yeah, that actress does bring this.

564
00:25:04.619 --> 00:25:05.819
But no, Morrissey, together.

565
00:25:05.880 --> 00:25:08.099
They've got great warmth and they mirror each other.

566
00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:09.059
Oh, I know.

567
00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:10.140
Very pretty, Jeb.

568
00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:15.599
Vala Tubishire, I believe, is the actress playing Rosita.

569
00:25:15.660 --> 00:25:16.619
Yeah.

570
00:25:16.680 --> 00:25:18.000
Who's this person?

571
00:25:18.059 --> 00:25:19.859
So this is Jake.

572
00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:20.880
Oh, Jeb.

573
00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:22.019
Jed, Jed, you're right.

574
00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:22.500
Jed?

575
00:25:22.500 --> 00:25:23.400
Jed or Jed?

576
00:25:23.460 --> 00:25:24.000
J Jed.

577
00:25:24.299 --> 00:25:26.279
Just got to write this down.

578
00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:31.319
I've got to do research, you see.

579
00:25:31.380 --> 00:25:32.819
Rospectives and things.

580
00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:33.839
Yeah, that's right.

581
00:25:33.900 --> 00:25:36.660
He's the he's the nardol of this story.

582
00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:38.099
Oh, oh.

583
00:25:38.099 --> 00:25:43.920
She's the bill and which makes him the...

584
00:25:43.920 --> 00:25:48.000
That reminds me of Ian Chesterton's sort of cloak from Marco

585
00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:48.480
Polo.

586
00:25:48.539 --> 00:25:49.079
Yes.

587
00:25:49.079 --> 00:25:51.420
Did Z was built for two?

588
00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:55.680
Morrissey brings human warmth to this and it's pretty much the

589
00:25:55.680 --> 00:25:56.880
giveaway that it's not the doctor.

590
00:25:57.359 --> 00:26:01.319
Yeah, there's and I've got to admit, much as I'm, you know

591
00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:03.240
probably not a great fan of Tenet.

592
00:26:03.299 --> 00:26:04.559
He does give otherness.

593
00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:06.180
Yeah.

594
00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:07.019
Yeah.

595
00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:08.940
And he also plays this one with humility.

596
00:26:09.420 --> 00:26:11.759
This is beautiful, wasn't it?

597
00:26:11.819 --> 00:26:16.740
Yeah, he's not lording it over. this other person who he already

598
00:26:16.740 --> 00:26:19.500
suspects might not be the doctor, but he's...

599
00:26:19.500 --> 00:26:22.319
No, he knows. because he's listened to his heartbeat in an earlier

600
00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:22.680
scene.

601
00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:24.420
That's the moment at which he definitely knows.

602
00:26:24.539 --> 00:26:26.279
Yeah, he's so gentle with him.

603
00:26:29.339 --> 00:26:30.420
AirPods.

604
00:26:30.420 --> 00:26:30.960
AirPods.

605
00:26:31.019 --> 00:26:32.160
Oh, sorry.

606
00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:32.880
Snap.

607
00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:36.900
She is the Jacqueline Pierce of this season, isn't she?

608
00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:37.440
Oh, yes.

609
00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:38.220
Yeah.

610
00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:40.140
She's so jolly though.

611
00:26:40.259 --> 00:26:43.980
She would have been great if she'd been like a recurring villain

612
00:26:43.980 --> 00:26:44.400
for the season.

613
00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:46.440
Oh, look at that smile.

614
00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:49.680
She's so good I will come in a rescued woman.

615
00:26:49.740 --> 00:26:51.059
Yes.

616
00:26:51.059 --> 00:26:53.519
I think travel, go for the next story.

617
00:26:53.579 --> 00:26:54.539
Sorry, friend.

618
00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:57.240
I was just gonna say, I will come back to the possibility of her

619
00:26:57.240 --> 00:26:59.160
returning later, Todd.

620
00:26:59.220 --> 00:27:02.880
Someone else who they considered...

621
00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:08.819
So Russell, sorry, Russell wrote this script in about 6 days

622
00:27:08.819 --> 00:27:12.059
recovering from chickenpox.

623
00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:12.480
Yes.

624
00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:13.980
Is that what he called it?

625
00:27:13.980 --> 00:27:16.440
And something else.

626
00:27:16.500 --> 00:27:17.700
I do have it written down here.

627
00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:20.099
But yeah, he was pretty much really poorly.

628
00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:23.099
They had to extend the schedule by a week because this is

629
00:27:23.099 --> 00:27:27.420
effectively the 15th episode in the production block because they

630
00:27:27.420 --> 00:27:30.720
started with Voyager the Damned and just went straight through.

631
00:27:31.500 --> 00:27:34.319
And, you know, it took a toll.

632
00:27:34.380 --> 00:27:39.539
The they had already planned to do a sort of gap here to let the

633
00:27:39.539 --> 00:27:42.539
next producer who ended up being Stephen Moffatt get his stuff

634
00:27:42.539 --> 00:27:43.079
together.

635
00:27:43.140 --> 00:27:46.500
But the BBC was so scared of taking it off the air for a year

636
00:27:46.500 --> 00:27:48.779
basically, that they almost overruled Russell.

637
00:27:48.900 --> 00:27:53.460
And there was a new controller at the BBC and they're like, this

638
00:27:53.460 --> 00:27:54.720
is our most popular thing.

639
00:27:54.779 --> 00:27:56.400
We don't want to get rid of it.

640
00:27:56.460 --> 00:27:57.660
But yeah, so long ago.

641
00:27:57.720 --> 00:27:58.920
Yeah, Jane, yeah.

642
00:27:58.980 --> 00:28:04.319
Jane Jane Tranter and Julie Gardner basically argued, no, you know

643
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:09.660
what we're not taking it off the air, we are rationing it.

644
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:14.339
So when the new doctor starts and when Stephen Moffatt starts

645
00:28:14.339 --> 00:28:15.839
they're going to need people hungry for it.

646
00:28:15.900 --> 00:28:19.619
Event television, I feel, really works for Doctor Who.

647
00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:21.539
See, I feel the opposite.

648
00:28:21.660 --> 00:28:24.059
Yeah, and I think I said this.

649
00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:27.960
I think I probably said this in the retrospective, because Doctor

650
00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:30.900
Who is a different thing each week, and so...

651
00:28:30.900 --> 00:28:33.180
That's why I think it has a polarity.

652
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:35.220
And you can reverse that.

653
00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:36.839
But if you so choose.

654
00:28:36.900 --> 00:28:37.680
But it does.

655
00:28:37.740 --> 00:28:41.339
It's a new, it's a new heavenly sphere every time it appears.

656
00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:42.480
I agree with you on that.

657
00:28:42.539 --> 00:28:45.119
The freshness of it, but I think that can be spaced out just as

658
00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:45.359
well.

659
00:28:45.420 --> 00:28:47.039
I don't need to see it every week to be excited.

660
00:28:47.099 --> 00:28:51.420
Yeah, I just, I guess I like the sort of change from week to

661
00:28:51.420 --> 00:28:51.900
week.

662
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:54.059
You know, you don't know where you're going to go next week.

663
00:28:54.119 --> 00:28:56.099
I guess you can kind of spread that out.

664
00:28:56.160 --> 00:29:00.599
But I think in practice what we discover from 2009.

665
00:29:00.900 --> 00:29:07.079
And maybe it's just the series of events around 2009 that caused

666
00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:08.940
this, that it isn't that successful.

667
00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:12.000
I absolutely adore this because this is the 1st time.

668
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:17.279
Here we go. in Russell's Who, where all of the old doctors are

669
00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:19.140
directly referenced.

670
00:29:19.140 --> 00:29:19.500
Cannon.

671
00:29:19.500 --> 00:29:20.279
Cannon.

672
00:29:20.339 --> 00:29:21.900
Yep Paul is Canon.

673
00:29:22.259 --> 00:29:25.259
He nearly wasn't in queer as folk, remember?

674
00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:29.759
Now, if only they put that cutaway of Jackson Lake in between Paul

675
00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:33.480
McGann and Christopher Eccleston, we could have an explanation as

676
00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:34.799
to why we don't see John Hurt.

677
00:29:39.240 --> 00:29:41.400
He wasn't invented yet.

678
00:29:41.460 --> 00:29:42.720
No, no.

679
00:29:42.779 --> 00:29:43.559
Time war.

680
00:29:43.619 --> 00:29:47.400
No, he was still, wasn't he still a CG dragon in Merlin?

681
00:29:47.460 --> 00:29:49.440
Was that happening yet?

682
00:29:49.500 --> 00:29:49.859
Yes.

683
00:29:50.220 --> 00:29:51.119
It was?

684
00:29:52.259 --> 00:29:56.759
See, this is like, um, what's the, uh, what's the bond title

685
00:29:56.759 --> 00:30:00.779
sequence where they're um, projecting films onto the bodies of

686
00:30:00.779 --> 00:30:01.440
naked ladies?

687
00:30:01.500 --> 00:30:02.339
That's probably right.

688
00:30:02.339 --> 00:30:03.359
Yeah, with a golden wank.

689
00:30:03.420 --> 00:30:04.079
Yes.

690
00:30:04.140 --> 00:30:05.880
Yeah, because that's happening here, isn't it?

691
00:30:05.940 --> 00:30:07.680
Oh, the Morris Binder.

692
00:30:07.740 --> 00:30:09.960
And actually wasn't Bindu who came up with that. was that other

693
00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:10.500
bloke.

694
00:30:11.579 --> 00:30:14.759
Oh, and that's a lovely bit of teleacting there.

695
00:30:14.819 --> 00:30:15.720
Yeah.

696
00:30:16.019 --> 00:30:21.119
And yeah, I again, I just love how gentle the doctor is here.

697
00:30:21.180 --> 00:30:24.240
He's like, yes, you're not who you think you are, but you have all

698
00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:25.319
your achievements are still yours.

699
00:30:25.380 --> 00:30:28.380
He's still smart enough to know that there's something coming

700
00:30:28.380 --> 00:30:29.279
doesn't he?

701
00:30:29.339 --> 00:30:33.660
And I love how the doctor solves her because a lot of the earlier

702
00:30:33.660 --> 00:30:36.839
stuff was about the void and all sorts of science fiction, you

703
00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:37.920
know, claptrap.

704
00:30:37.980 --> 00:30:41.099
And here it's just, you have too much luggage for one man.

705
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:42.420
I'm sorry.

706
00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:43.559
It's lovely.

707
00:30:44.220 --> 00:30:46.619
Yeah, isn't that so good?

708
00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:49.920
Well, as I said in retrospective, David Tennant is terribly

709
00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:54.900
underrated at times and I have actually enjoyed him, very much in

710
00:30:54.900 --> 00:30:58.740
the moment, despite ticks and clicks that we talk about.

711
00:30:59.099 --> 00:31:01.200
I find him very watchable.

712
00:31:01.259 --> 00:31:05.339
I do wonder if it's because usually the companion, especially

713
00:31:05.339 --> 00:31:09.359
Catherine Tate, is given the duty of being compassionate and the

714
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:13.079
listener. while David Tennant is allowed to gnash his teeth at

715
00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:13.380
things.

716
00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:16.799
So you take away the companion and Tenant has to do that and he

717
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:17.819
does it brilliantly.

718
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:18.720
Very nicely.

719
00:31:18.779 --> 00:31:23.339
Well, normally those, you know, sad, soulful eyebrows are reserved

720
00:31:23.339 --> 00:31:25.799
but sort of are reserved for his own man pain.

721
00:31:26.940 --> 00:31:32.519
Or the women he's about to disappoint. on so many levels.

722
00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:34.740
And in the show.

723
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:38.400
Oh here we go.

724
00:31:38.460 --> 00:31:41.339
I think Maurice is doing a wonderful job Yeah.

725
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:44.099
I love fear in this whole sequence.

726
00:31:44.220 --> 00:31:48.000
You know, the fake doctor thing is fun, but this is this is

727
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:48.900
properly good, I think.

728
00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:55.440
And, you know, he Doctor Who does therapy, sorry.

729
00:31:55.799 --> 00:31:58.140
That doesn't happen very often, though.

730
00:31:58.200 --> 00:32:00.960
He is a smaller version of the doctor.

731
00:32:01.019 --> 00:32:03.420
You know, he has saved his companion from a monster.

732
00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:06.900
The doctor lost Gallifrey and the Time Lords Jackson has lost his

733
00:32:06.900 --> 00:32:07.319
wife.

734
00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:12.660
Jackson is heroic, even though he doesn't really have a sonic

735
00:32:12.660 --> 00:32:16.140
screwdriver or gadgets or a property.

736
00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:17.099
Sonic.

737
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:18.000
But you know what I mean?

738
00:32:18.059 --> 00:32:20.460
He's heroic without all those things.

739
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:25.259
There's no payoff to that, though, is there?

740
00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:26.460
And that's a problem.

741
00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:27.960
It's coming. coming.

742
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:34.019
Because, because, you know, I know a lot has been said about the

743
00:32:34.019 --> 00:32:36.660
timeless children, but...

744
00:32:36.660 --> 00:32:38.279
Can we not talk about that?

745
00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:44.819
It has a similar element to this in that being the doctor is less

746
00:32:44.819 --> 00:32:48.180
about, you know, having 2 hearts and being from the planet

747
00:32:48.180 --> 00:32:50.460
Gallifrey, and the constellation of Custurbus and it's more about

748
00:32:50.460 --> 00:32:52.920
being heroic and compassionate and kind.

749
00:32:52.980 --> 00:32:56.700
Well, I mean, that's the that's the RTD era, though.

750
00:32:56.759 --> 00:33:01.019
He's constantly inspiring people to do that Everyone talked about

751
00:33:01.019 --> 00:33:02.819
how Eccleston doesn't solve the problem.

752
00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:06.299
He just inspires someone else to solve the problem as if that's a

753
00:33:06.299 --> 00:33:06.720
bad thing.

754
00:33:07.619 --> 00:33:12.599
Also extremists, you know, where you can be, where you can be the

755
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:15.839
doctor even if you're really just sort of Mario.

756
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:18.000
I love extremes.

757
00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:21.240
So do I. Yeah, it's good.

758
00:33:21.299 --> 00:33:26.160
Before we started, before we started recording, I was rather

759
00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:29.700
surprised, your listener, I believe my fellow podcasters in this

760
00:33:29.700 --> 00:33:33.599
room really don't think highly of this story, and I'm curious to

761
00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:37.980
know from each of you what you think is, what's the central

762
00:33:37.980 --> 00:33:38.279
floor?

763
00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:40.859
Todd.

764
00:33:42.059 --> 00:33:44.220
Maybe it's the stakes.

765
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:44.819
I don't know.

766
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:46.740
I think after the end of last season.

767
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:57.240
I can't answer that until again, but I just feel like What's

768
00:33:57.240 --> 00:33:57.599
happening?

769
00:33:57.660 --> 00:34:01.019
Like we're having a lot of little stuff, but, but I'm, I don't

770
00:34:01.019 --> 00:34:01.200
know.

771
00:34:01.259 --> 00:34:03.539
Is it the how it builds?

772
00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:04.380
I'm not sure.

773
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:07.680
Like, it feels like an operetta without the songs.

774
00:34:07.740 --> 00:34:10.860
Definitely there's a bit of G and S in this.

775
00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:11.579
Yeah.

776
00:34:11.579 --> 00:34:14.820
Even like this with the little kids being marched into a thing.

777
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:15.840
Even the way they're moving about.

778
00:34:15.900 --> 00:34:18.239
Brendan, I don't think it's necessarily awful.

779
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:21.900
Like, I just not in love with it. fair enough.

780
00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:25.679
Yeah, I just think, as I've said, I don't think it has a central

781
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:27.000
thing that it's about.

782
00:34:28.019 --> 00:34:32.159
And I think that, you know, we're halfway through and we've

783
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:34.679
ditched the Jackson Lake thing completely.

784
00:34:34.739 --> 00:34:37.500
And so, you know, what are we doing now?

785
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:39.059
Here are all the timeless children.

786
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:42.780
They're all the doctor all the time.

787
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:48.780
I'm warming to the cyber shades, though, I'm just saying.

788
00:34:48.780 --> 00:34:52.079
I thought you had a theory that every showrunner has one crap

789
00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:53.039
cyberman thing.

790
00:34:53.099 --> 00:34:53.699
Yeah, yeah.

791
00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:55.739
So that it's the cyber shades here.

792
00:34:56.219 --> 00:34:57.900
And the dad.

793
00:34:57.900 --> 00:35:00.119
And the cyber dad, I guess.

794
00:35:00.179 --> 00:35:03.360
Although I actually will forgive the cyber dad when it comes.

795
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:06.239
I think what's Moffat's one?

796
00:35:06.300 --> 00:35:07.739
Oh, it's cyber brig, isn't it?

797
00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:09.480
Well, that's what I called it, the cyber deck.

798
00:35:09.539 --> 00:35:12.480
Oh, I thought you meant James Corden.

799
00:35:12.539 --> 00:35:15.179
Well, that's almost forgivable as well.

800
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:17.760
And he invents the cyber mites as well, remember?

801
00:35:17.820 --> 00:35:18.539
Oh.

802
00:35:18.539 --> 00:35:20.400
I love all those things.

803
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:24.599
Brendan and I are on the same page on so many things, right?

804
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:26.519
Not that.

805
00:35:26.579 --> 00:35:30.360
I like the cybermites and I like the cyber James Corden.

806
00:35:30.420 --> 00:35:34.320
I wonder if it's that Doctor Who at Christmas is not Doctor Who.

807
00:35:34.380 --> 00:35:35.639
It's a different show.

808
00:35:35.699 --> 00:35:38.340
Well, you know, the cyber James Corder.

809
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:40.920
The fact that he sells everything by love or whatever.

810
00:35:40.980 --> 00:35:47.639
That's awesome But here, she overpowers the Cyberman by her by

811
00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:51.420
just being her being brilliant. by being superb.

812
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:54.179
So being an impressive person. there is a precedent for it.

813
00:35:54.300 --> 00:35:54.840
Yeah.

814
00:35:54.900 --> 00:35:55.980
I'm warming to the idea.

815
00:35:57.780 --> 00:35:59.159
Yeah.

816
00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:02.699
I do I do love that she hasn't been converted.

817
00:36:02.820 --> 00:36:03.960
She is choosing this.

818
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:06.000
Yeah, liberation.

819
00:36:06.059 --> 00:36:08.519
But see, there's also the thing.

820
00:36:08.579 --> 00:36:11.280
And I don't quite know how to...

821
00:36:11.340 --> 00:36:11.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

822
00:36:11.940 --> 00:36:12.360
Yeah, yeah.

823
00:36:12.420 --> 00:36:13.619
I don't think you paid you to talk.

824
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:16.739
I don't know how to feel about it because the idea is that she's

825
00:36:16.739 --> 00:36:19.500
full of rage and revenge and abuse and stuff.

826
00:36:19.559 --> 00:36:23.639
There's that line that the doctor, you know, characterises her.

827
00:36:23.699 --> 00:36:25.619
And so that's why she's evil.

828
00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:30.840
Um, you know, as a result of kind of patriarchy and and the class

829
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:33.900
system and Victorian values, essentially.

830
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:37.619
But that turns her evil and she's sort of a villain.

831
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:40.500
And like, why aren't we on her side?

832
00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:41.039
You know?

833
00:36:41.099 --> 00:36:43.019
Well, I think some of us are.

834
00:36:44.579 --> 00:36:47.219
I think possibly the answer to that.

835
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:50.280
And I agree. it's not fully developed Oh, an evil flesh.

836
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:55.860
Yeah, I think possibly the answer to that is that she and Rosita

837
00:36:55.860 --> 00:36:57.539
have pretty much had the same experience.

838
00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:02.280
As you say, they're both implied to be ladies of the night, and

839
00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:07.260
they have both been oppressed by men because it is this society.

840
00:37:08.219 --> 00:37:12.360
Rosita sides with the hero and she sides with the villain.

841
00:37:12.420 --> 00:37:16.920
They're 2 sides of what can happen.

842
00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:21.059
And I think possibly the reason it doesn't work is Rosita is given

843
00:37:21.059 --> 00:37:21.840
so little to do.

844
00:37:22.019 --> 00:37:26.460
Because the doctor and Jackson Lake are the centre of the plot.

845
00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:30.360
I love glad to have been part of your very last conversation.

846
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:33.420
What were you going to say, Tom?

847
00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:35.039
No, I can't remember.

848
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:41.219
So this is the heroic thing where he comes back.

849
00:37:41.280 --> 00:37:42.300
He's got a headache.

850
00:37:42.300 --> 00:37:43.019
Part of it, certainly.

851
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:47.280
It's a great hero shot, isn't it?

852
00:37:47.340 --> 00:37:49.500
With the smoke clearing.

853
00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:50.940
CBS 1996.

854
00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:54.960
Yes.

855
00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:55.199
Yes.

856
00:37:55.260 --> 00:37:55.920
Oh well done.

857
00:37:57.420 --> 00:38:00.059
Can I say I completely disapprove?

858
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:03.900
I stole that line when I was the doctor for Planet Scara Audio's

859
00:38:03.900 --> 00:38:07.739
and I changed it to, basically, we had a Boris Johnson style Prime

860
00:38:07.739 --> 00:38:12.360
Minister in 2011 when we made these and my assistant punches him

861
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:15.599
in the face and I say, normally I would completely disapprove, but

862
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:17.039
in his case, I shall make an exception.

863
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:28.199
He does look smart in Jan Chapel's belt.

864
00:38:29.940 --> 00:38:31.739
Lanyard.

865
00:38:32.699 --> 00:38:36.420
Someone posted on Twitter this week that Trevor Hoyle actually

866
00:38:36.420 --> 00:38:42.300
explains what the Time Squad were in his novelisation of Blake 7

867
00:38:42.300 --> 00:38:43.619
and the Time Squad.

868
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:45.000
Oh, there's a relief.

869
00:38:45.059 --> 00:38:45.539
Yes.

870
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:50.219
They were always called the finders fiends because they, they were

871
00:38:50.219 --> 00:38:52.619
like, frozen fishing.

872
00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:56.579
They weren't fit, were they?

873
00:39:01.019 --> 00:39:03.420
Oh, the little fascinators, not really.

874
00:39:03.539 --> 00:39:04.800
Are you looking at my cerebellum?

875
00:39:04.860 --> 00:39:05.699
The ascension.

876
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:07.920
So it's Ascension of the Cyberman.

877
00:39:08.219 --> 00:39:12.360
Mr. Milligan, he looks like Spike Milligan.

878
00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:13.980
Sorry.

879
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:18.360
So the brain, I think Russell has said before that he has a very

880
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:22.739
strong childhood memory of Tomb of the Cyberman and the cyber

881
00:39:22.739 --> 00:39:24.119
dude's brain.

882
00:39:24.179 --> 00:39:26.340
What sort of cyber thing was he?

883
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:27.900
He wasn't a cyber controller.

884
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:28.380
What was he?

885
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:30.119
He was a cyber controller.

886
00:39:30.179 --> 00:39:31.500
He was the cybercontroller.

887
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:32.760
Yes, the big Chrome dome.

888
00:39:32.820 --> 00:39:33.599
Yeah, yeah.

889
00:39:33.659 --> 00:39:36.179
Because, you know, he thought it was the brain because it has

890
00:39:36.179 --> 00:39:38.880
those veins crawling up the inside of it or whatever.

891
00:39:38.940 --> 00:39:43.980
And so that's why the brain is visible there and it's got little

892
00:39:43.980 --> 00:39:45.599
kind of, you know, things.

893
00:39:45.659 --> 00:39:48.659
That is that child is 40.

894
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:52.440
The other scale doesn't...

895
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:54.239
Well, it's worked wonders.

896
00:39:54.300 --> 00:39:57.420
It really does need songs, doesn't it?

897
00:39:57.480 --> 00:39:58.139
It does.

898
00:39:58.199 --> 00:39:59.219
But what is this for?

899
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:00.780
Like, I don't know what's happening here.

900
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:03.119
These children are being oppressed, but what are we saying?

901
00:40:03.179 --> 00:40:07.500
That's the source from the doctor's daughter, that globe that went

902
00:40:07.500 --> 00:40:07.980
along.

903
00:40:08.820 --> 00:40:11.159
Like we're saying is it's Christmas.

904
00:40:11.219 --> 00:40:12.840
So we need suffering orphans.

905
00:40:12.900 --> 00:40:14.280
Yeah, well, maybe that's it.

906
00:40:14.340 --> 00:40:15.059
Maybe that's it.

907
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:17.880
But wouldn't be Christmas without children in need.

908
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:20.940
But don't you think there's a version of this that's not too far

909
00:40:20.940 --> 00:40:28.320
away where these children exist to fuel something, you know, it's

910
00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:29.699
called a cyber king?

911
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:33.960
It has factory chimneys coming off the back of it.

912
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:37.800
We get a reference to the sort of 2nd industrial revolution from

913
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:39.480
Miss Hardigan.

914
00:40:39.539 --> 00:40:43.679
You know, like it's so close to saying something about sort of

915
00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:48.179
class or empire or colonialism and it just doesn't do it.

916
00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:50.340
Look, it's Chibnalls Dalek emperor.

917
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:52.920
That's it.

918
00:40:52.980 --> 00:40:54.420
It's like Der...

919
00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:56.219
Sure it is.

920
00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:56.639
You watch.

921
00:40:56.699 --> 00:41:00.420
I think I think the script needed another week in that regard.

922
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:03.480
It was, it was Russell going, and I'm go, and I'm going to have

923
00:41:03.480 --> 00:41:04.739
like, um...

924
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:08.460
I'm going to have children in workhouses.

925
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:09.539
What are they for, Russell?

926
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:11.219
To have children in workhouses.

927
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:12.840
The Victorian era.

928
00:41:12.900 --> 00:41:14.159
You need to finish it a week earlier.

929
00:41:14.219 --> 00:41:15.300
Walk away.

930
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:16.679
Come back.

931
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:17.519
Yeah, and do another.

932
00:41:17.579 --> 00:41:19.679
Because it nearly is things.

933
00:41:19.739 --> 00:41:23.579
Like it seems to hint at something about, you know, the Victorian

934
00:41:23.579 --> 00:41:24.539
era.

935
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:28.800
Does Mickey theorise that there's a cyber king in doomsday or

936
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:29.280
something like that?

937
00:41:29.340 --> 00:41:31.199
Yes, he mentioned the word.

938
00:41:31.260 --> 00:41:32.400
Yeah, yeah.

939
00:41:35.460 --> 00:41:37.860
That was designated a lot.

940
00:41:37.860 --> 00:41:39.059
That is a great line.

941
00:41:40.019 --> 00:41:43.980
Promises to aliens have no validity.

942
00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:50.639
That's not quite posh enough. getting a bit rough, is it?

943
00:41:52.019 --> 00:41:54.539
It's still Nick Briggs, isn't it?

944
00:41:54.539 --> 00:41:55.739
Doing all the voice.

945
00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:58.320
Well, who's playing Cyberleader for this one?

946
00:41:58.380 --> 00:42:01.380
I suspect it is...

947
00:42:01.380 --> 00:42:01.980
Paul Casey.

948
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:02.760
Paul Casey.

949
00:42:02.820 --> 00:42:04.079
He's usually the lead.

950
00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:05.460
Is he doing the vodcha?

951
00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:07.199
No, it's Briggs doing the vot, isn't it?

952
00:42:07.260 --> 00:42:08.340
Yeah, always.

953
00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:08.639
Yeah.

954
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:12.059
I like how this is designed for her hair.

955
00:42:13.260 --> 00:42:17.820
And again, I love the sort of cyberpunkness to it, like as if

956
00:42:17.820 --> 00:42:21.179
they've constructed it out of stuff that they have available.

957
00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:26.460
So it's a sort of beautiful brass, you know, cyberpunk excitement

958
00:42:26.460 --> 00:42:26.699
thing.

959
00:42:26.940 --> 00:42:29.639
And now she's Queen Amadala.

960
00:42:30.659 --> 00:42:32.760
Queen Amygdala?

961
00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:37.199
She might just be clever enough to have bypassed, I hope so.

962
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:41.340
Ooh, those look painful to wear.

963
00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:42.599
Or do you think they're CGI?

964
00:42:42.659 --> 00:42:44.639
No, they are contact lenses.

965
00:42:44.699 --> 00:42:45.659
Yuck.

966
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:48.239
Yeah, just like Daphne.

967
00:42:48.300 --> 00:42:50.400
That's the same shot of that globe going.

968
00:42:50.460 --> 00:42:52.260
Just like Daphne Ashbrook had to wear.

969
00:42:52.500 --> 00:42:55.139
Oh, yeah, that's horrible.

970
00:42:56.400 --> 00:43:00.719
And Marine the Surtees in a few scenes of things.

971
00:43:00.780 --> 00:43:01.500
Ooh.

972
00:43:01.500 --> 00:43:03.480
In conundrum.

973
00:43:03.539 --> 00:43:04.619
Oh, that looks a bit fake.

974
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:07.260
It looks a bit Capaldi opening titles, doesn't it?

975
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:08.699
No, it looks like a candy kitchen.

976
00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:09.360
It does.

977
00:43:09.420 --> 00:43:10.800
All about your talking.

978
00:43:10.860 --> 00:43:12.659
Where are the bees in the therament?

979
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:16.380
Yeah.

980
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:20.400
Yeah, like it should look like that because it should be a sort of

981
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:21.599
fairy tale thing.

982
00:43:21.659 --> 00:43:24.960
You know, like it's Christmas and it's orphans and stuff.

983
00:43:25.019 --> 00:43:26.760
So it's supposed to look like that.

984
00:43:26.820 --> 00:43:27.539
I like that.

985
00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:29.099
But I just, what's it for?

986
00:43:30.059 --> 00:43:31.860
What's it for?

987
00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:34.920
Yeah, no, I'm being Tom in Pirate Planet.

988
00:43:34.980 --> 00:43:36.000
What's it for?

989
00:43:36.420 --> 00:43:41.519
Yes, and all coming soon, Mary Tam in the pirate planet sort of

990
00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:42.780
action figure.

991
00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:51.119
Do your top up, Mary. 20th of July, apparently now, Richard.

992
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:52.139
Oh, to be out by now.

993
00:43:52.260 --> 00:43:53.940
Yes, yes.

994
00:43:58.860 --> 00:44:02.460
Yeah, see, she's not having any of that Sidemen crap.

995
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:03.719
Not your naunch.

996
00:44:03.780 --> 00:44:05.340
I miss Hardigan.

997
00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:07.320
No Cyberman pain.

998
00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:13.500
Yeah, she's stronger than the conditioning like James Corden is

999
00:44:13.500 --> 00:44:13.860
later on.

1000
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:17.760
Yeah, but she's it's because she's brilliant.

1001
00:44:17.820 --> 00:44:23.159
You know, she's been sidelined by this society, but she's better

1002
00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:24.239
than anyone else in it.

1003
00:44:24.300 --> 00:44:27.599
But it's only hint of that, do you know?

1004
00:44:28.739 --> 00:44:33.179
She's so good See, in a way, I wish that the cyber king and her

1005
00:44:33.179 --> 00:44:36.840
escape through the vortex to come back in a sequel. yeah.

1006
00:44:36.900 --> 00:44:38.940
They could have been in the girl who waited.

1007
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:39.780
Zap.

1008
00:44:40.019 --> 00:44:43.079
They could have been in last season's finale.

1009
00:44:43.139 --> 00:44:45.360
Wow, that would have been awesome.

1010
00:44:45.420 --> 00:44:47.699
Well, yes, it would have been awesome.

1011
00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:50.699
Except that this story never happened.

1012
00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:55.980
We actually find out in um series 5.

1013
00:44:56.159 --> 00:44:59.699
We find out in series 5 that the cracks in time, wipe this story

1014
00:44:59.699 --> 00:45:01.380
out because there's a really interesting thing here.

1015
00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:06.360
When the doctor arrives in 1851, he says, oh, this is very dull

1016
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:07.440
and nothing ever happens.

1017
00:45:07.980 --> 00:45:12.420
And then Jackson Lake at the end will say this is something that

1018
00:45:12.420 --> 00:45:13.679
will be talked about for centuries.

1019
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:15.599
So the doctor goes, oh, funny that.

1020
00:45:15.659 --> 00:45:17.219
And then it's never followed up.

1021
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:20.039
Matt Smith does mention it.

1022
00:45:20.099 --> 00:45:22.500
It's never followed up by Russell Oh, I bet.

1023
00:45:22.500 --> 00:45:26.159
And then and then Moffat comes in and makes it clear that's what

1024
00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:26.699
happened.

1025
00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:29.760
That's why the cyberkink's not ever remembered because this whole

1026
00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:31.139
story gets swallowed up by the cracks.

1027
00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:33.059
The elderly children are rescue.

1028
00:45:33.659 --> 00:45:38.099
Now, we have coming up the worst performance in the episode.

1029
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:41.699
Oh, that Gormless child actor standing at the top who needs to be

1030
00:45:41.699 --> 00:45:42.059
rescued.

1031
00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:42.840
God.

1032
00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:45.360
He is wearing so much.

1033
00:45:45.420 --> 00:45:46.739
I mean, I don't want to shame him.

1034
00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:47.579
Do you know what I mean?

1035
00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:49.739
But he's wearing a lot of mascara.

1036
00:45:49.860 --> 00:45:52.980
Yeah, and, you know, the implication is that he's not like these

1037
00:45:52.980 --> 00:45:53.760
poor children.

1038
00:45:53.820 --> 00:45:56.639
He's a rich child who has been caught up in the workhouse, but

1039
00:45:56.639 --> 00:45:58.619
it's just too he's too polished.

1040
00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:01.800
I'm getting ahead of myself because I thought we might actually

1041
00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:02.760
cut to him, but no.

1042
00:46:02.820 --> 00:46:03.780
No not yet.

1043
00:46:04.139 --> 00:46:07.860
You know, look, I love the fact that they commit to the cyber

1044
00:46:07.860 --> 00:46:09.900
shades, despite the fact they look a bit rubbish.

1045
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:11.099
Oh, me too.

1046
00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:11.880
No, no.

1047
00:46:11.940 --> 00:46:14.880
And I am absolutely on board with the one that drives the hansom

1048
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:15.179
cab.

1049
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:16.260
I think that's a bird.

1050
00:46:16.380 --> 00:46:17.820
Yeah, why not?

1051
00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:22.679
Yeah, I just wish they'd been more shade-like and ethereal. rather

1052
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:24.719
than just gorilla suits.

1053
00:46:24.780 --> 00:46:25.260
Yeah.

1054
00:46:25.260 --> 00:46:27.719
I mean, yeah, look, let that one.

1055
00:46:27.780 --> 00:46:28.860
Howard that one's 40.

1056
00:46:32.099 --> 00:46:34.559
They're ill- favoured poor children, aren't they?

1057
00:46:34.619 --> 00:46:35.579
That's a hobbit.

1058
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:38.579
Okay, that's a few hobbit.

1059
00:46:40.139 --> 00:46:42.059
Oh, dear.

1060
00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:45.360
Some great flashback acting there from Morrissey.

1061
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:49.199
It's these children.

1062
00:46:49.260 --> 00:46:50.099
They ruin the episode.

1063
00:46:51.659 --> 00:46:53.340
Oh, wait.

1064
00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:54.119
Wait.

1065
00:46:54.179 --> 00:46:55.079
There we go.

1066
00:46:55.139 --> 00:46:56.760
So that's some acting from the kid?

1067
00:46:56.820 --> 00:46:57.840
Yeah, I know.

1068
00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:00.420
That shot of Morrissey where he looks up puzzledly.

1069
00:47:00.420 --> 00:47:02.219
Oh, God.

1070
00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:04.320
My God, the child is terrible.

1071
00:47:04.380 --> 00:47:06.360
No, the chance okay in the flash bag.

1072
00:47:06.420 --> 00:47:07.440
Yeah, Charm is terrible.

1073
00:47:07.500 --> 00:47:08.579
But look at it.

1074
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:11.039
Look how much mascara he's got on.

1075
00:47:11.099 --> 00:47:14.579
Like, why he has no emotion upon seeing his father.

1076
00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:16.739
Well, he's traumatised.

1077
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:18.719
Oh, but God, just push.

1078
00:47:19.139 --> 00:47:22.019
None of the other children are traumatised.

1079
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:22.500
They all run.

1080
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:25.619
I suppose they're all pre-traumatized from being workhouse. they're

1081
00:47:25.619 --> 00:47:25.980
poor people.

1082
00:47:26.039 --> 00:47:27.539
It was okay for them to be put to work.

1083
00:47:28.500 --> 00:47:31.199
But, yeah.

1084
00:47:31.260 --> 00:47:31.800
Anyway.

1085
00:47:31.860 --> 00:47:32.760
Oh, here we go.

1086
00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:41.340
Now, when I was watching this at the time, something I had said to

1087
00:47:41.340 --> 00:47:46.019
my boyfriend of the time in the week before, you know what, Doctor

1088
00:47:46.019 --> 00:47:48.539
Who's never done, Transformers.

1089
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:51.000
You got your wish.

1090
00:47:51.059 --> 00:47:51.719
I did.

1091
00:47:51.780 --> 00:47:54.239
So why does Jackson Lake?

1092
00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:56.159
If he's the doctor.

1093
00:47:56.280 --> 00:48:00.119
If we want to show him being heroic, why does he not get to do

1094
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:00.239
this?

1095
00:48:00.300 --> 00:48:01.320
Yeah, no, I agree.

1096
00:48:01.380 --> 00:48:01.800
I agree.

1097
00:48:01.860 --> 00:48:02.639
It's just a mistake.

1098
00:48:02.699 --> 00:48:03.360
I think.

1099
00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:04.440
Tenant's the star.

1100
00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:07.139
But Tenant gets to...

1101
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:12.179
So, but Tennant gets to wipe out the cyber king and save Fred.

1102
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:17.460
And I think that David Morrisey's doctor has to do one of those.

1103
00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:22.199
Like he just has to do one of those, but all he does is sort of

1104
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:24.059
stand there looking up into the sky weeping.

1105
00:48:24.059 --> 00:48:27.599
And then later on he does a sort of fair amount of kind of talking

1106
00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:29.940
and looking up into the sky weeping again.

1107
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:32.880
You know, like he doesn't get his proper hero moment.

1108
00:48:32.940 --> 00:48:36.719
And I don't think him running in with a bandoleer full of, you

1109
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:40.019
know, USB sticks really kind of cuts it.

1110
00:48:40.679 --> 00:48:43.019
Would have been great, don't you think?

1111
00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:44.519
No, I totally agree.

1112
00:48:44.579 --> 00:48:45.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah. totally agree with you.

1113
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:50.460
Yeah, and the thing is, just, you know, just swap the 2 swap the 2

1114
00:48:50.460 --> 00:48:51.659
roles in that scene.

1115
00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:52.320
It's simple.

1116
00:48:52.380 --> 00:48:58.380
Or or get him to be clever enough to have learnt enough to save

1117
00:48:58.380 --> 00:49:00.420
you know, to defeat the cyber king.

1118
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:03.300
Now, as the cyber king was rising there, we had a poster of Lee

1119
00:49:03.300 --> 00:49:07.920
Sen Chang in the corner, there it is. despite the fact that this

1120
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:10.739
is almost 50 years before the talent of Wang Chang.

1121
00:49:11.159 --> 00:49:13.920
He was a char prodigy.

1122
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:17.159
That is so great.

1123
00:49:17.219 --> 00:49:18.360
It's fantastic.

1124
00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:21.840
Todd, you like the cyber king, the look of the cyber king or not?

1125
00:49:21.900 --> 00:49:23.219
I like the look of it.

1126
00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:24.599
I don't understand why it is.

1127
00:49:24.659 --> 00:49:25.440
Yeah, yeah.

1128
00:49:25.500 --> 00:49:26.099
That's fair enough.

1129
00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:29.039
Like, I mean, if I'm invaded planets, aren't you wasting resources

1130
00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:29.880
building something like that?

1131
00:49:29.940 --> 00:49:32.039
Wouldn't you be that it looks cool?

1132
00:49:32.099 --> 00:49:32.760
It does.

1133
00:49:32.820 --> 00:49:36.239
And it's something that you've brought up time and time again, this

1134
00:49:36.239 --> 00:49:38.519
past series that, you know, Russell likes to do things that are

1135
00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:40.019
fun, right?

1136
00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:44.940
And sometimes I forget about the fun over, over...

1137
00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:47.940
Oh, does it make complete sense, but it doesn't.

1138
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:51.719
It doesn't, but it's... yeah, it's fun. is fun.

1139
00:49:51.780 --> 00:49:56.099
And I'm surprised, you know, like I wondered, and I think maybe at

1140
00:49:56.099 --> 00:50:00.059
the time I wondered whether the fact that this is, you know, like

1141
00:50:00.059 --> 00:50:05.039
a great sort of history breaking event, you know, how come none of

1142
00:50:05.039 --> 00:50:09.780
us know that a giant thing, you know, like that this happened in

1143
00:50:09.780 --> 00:50:12.000
1851 on Christmas morning.

1144
00:50:12.059 --> 00:50:15.539
Um, like that that was going to feed into all of these sort of

1145
00:50:15.539 --> 00:50:18.719
time Lord Victoria shenanigans that ended up happening, but it

1146
00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:19.380
just gets dropped.

1147
00:50:19.500 --> 00:50:21.780
I'm glad that Moffatt picks it up.

1148
00:50:21.900 --> 00:50:26.099
It's one of my bits of evidence that Moffatt loves RTDs, Doctor

1149
00:50:26.099 --> 00:50:26.400
Who.

1150
00:50:26.460 --> 00:50:28.320
Oh yes, yes, absolutely.

1151
00:50:31.380 --> 00:50:34.139
And yeah, yeah, the doctor runs off into Danger here because he's

1152
00:50:34.139 --> 00:50:34.739
got nothing to live for.

1153
00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:37.139
Yeah, he's escaped to danger.

1154
00:50:37.380 --> 00:50:41.760
I remember at the time with that being annoyed that Moffat was

1155
00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:44.579
being, you know, putting his imprimada over the entire history of

1156
00:50:44.579 --> 00:50:47.039
Doctor Who, but considering what we've seen in the last 2 years.

1157
00:50:47.099 --> 00:50:49.019
I think I got off lightly.

1158
00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:50.460
Yeah, that's right.

1159
00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:52.079
That's very true.

1160
00:50:52.139 --> 00:50:55.139
Look, I actually like it because I think it is picking up a plot

1161
00:50:55.139 --> 00:50:58.500
thread that was deliberately kind of, you know, that annoyed

1162
00:50:58.500 --> 00:50:59.159
people like us.

1163
00:50:59.219 --> 00:51:03.059
No, no, but I think that Moffatt that Russell might have followed

1164
00:51:03.059 --> 00:51:03.420
up.

1165
00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:07.199
You know, because he deliberately kind of comments on it.

1166
00:51:07.260 --> 00:51:08.280
He sticks it out. there.

1167
00:51:08.400 --> 00:51:10.679
It's not something that Moffatt thought of.

1168
00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:12.719
He does recommend.

1169
00:51:12.780 --> 00:51:17.280
I can see Freddie Mercury playing this part. the same rostrum.

1170
00:51:17.340 --> 00:51:21.059
Don't you think it reminds you of the end of time where you've got

1171
00:51:21.059 --> 00:51:24.300
wrestling and you've got the 2 women either side and the other

1172
00:51:24.300 --> 00:51:25.440
other tunnels?

1173
00:51:25.500 --> 00:51:26.519
Yeah, but I like this.

1174
00:51:26.820 --> 00:51:28.500
That's very true.

1175
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:30.119
This should have been a musical.

1176
00:51:30.179 --> 00:51:32.760
I think that's why I think this is why it's annoying us because

1177
00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:33.780
this is prog rock.

1178
00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:38.460
Really, this is a 70s album coming in this whole thing.

1179
00:51:38.519 --> 00:51:40.800
Jeff Wayne would have done it and opens up into a bifold and

1180
00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:42.900
you've paid far too much for it, but it's great.

1181
00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:44.519
No, no, it needs songs.

1182
00:51:44.579 --> 00:51:45.239
I want songs.

1183
00:51:45.420 --> 00:51:49.019
Yeah, well, look, Russell talked about doing a musical all the

1184
00:51:49.019 --> 00:51:50.519
time, and I agree with you, Richard.

1185
00:51:50.579 --> 00:51:52.500
This would have been perfect because we have all these heightened

1186
00:51:52.500 --> 00:51:54.360
people's ultra-saturated.

1187
00:51:54.420 --> 00:51:55.139
That's the category.

1188
00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:55.679
Thank you.

1189
00:51:55.739 --> 00:51:56.699
Thank you, Netflix.

1190
00:51:56.760 --> 00:51:58.500
Oh, no, she turns, she turns.

1191
00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:00.360
She's not liking something on the screen.

1192
00:52:00.420 --> 00:52:02.219
Oh, it's that child.

1193
00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:09.420
Yeah, look, I so very love the cyberkick.

1194
00:52:09.480 --> 00:52:10.800
It's utterly impractical.

1195
00:52:13.860 --> 00:52:14.820
Oh, it's brilliant.

1196
00:52:14.940 --> 00:52:16.800
Does it make tea?

1197
00:52:16.860 --> 00:52:19.440
It does look like it might make tea.

1198
00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:22.199
Revel's tea tea's made.

1199
00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:28.559
I think the cat's going to unplug the mixing board.

1200
00:52:28.980 --> 00:52:30.840
I think we're okay.

1201
00:52:31.739 --> 00:52:36.119
And look, see, he gets to see the Tartars fly, but he should be

1202
00:52:36.119 --> 00:52:37.079
flying at them.

1203
00:52:37.139 --> 00:52:42.900
It's a shame because all a tenant does is do his usual, I'll give

1204
00:52:42.900 --> 00:52:45.840
you one chance and then sort of fires a whole heap of kind of

1205
00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:48.179
special effects at her until everyone goes away.

1206
00:52:48.239 --> 00:52:50.940
You know, it's not a great resolution.

1207
00:52:52.500 --> 00:52:55.800
I can see why RTD chose to do it this way.

1208
00:52:55.860 --> 00:52:57.719
He wants David's going.

1209
00:52:57.780 --> 00:52:59.639
He wants to make let him be the star.

1210
00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:02.039
Yeah, it's like it's like Planet of the Spiders.

1211
00:53:02.099 --> 00:53:03.119
Yeah, yeah.

1212
00:53:03.179 --> 00:53:04.320
Well, I guess so.

1213
00:53:04.380 --> 00:53:06.659
There's no flying car, damn it.

1214
00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:09.360
I want the flying car, back.

1215
00:53:09.420 --> 00:53:10.079
Wouldn't that be great?

1216
00:53:10.139 --> 00:53:13.199
Chippers off, we give you everything if you bring back.

1217
00:53:13.619 --> 00:53:16.619
I'm sure hair trembles with emotion.

1218
00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:19.139
Yeah, that's a meme.

1219
00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:22.019
Well, that shot wasn't great in the upscale.

1220
00:53:22.380 --> 00:53:25.860
I reckon the thing looks surprisingly good in the upscale.

1221
00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:26.519
No, no, no.

1222
00:53:26.579 --> 00:53:28.380
It was the balloon basket.

1223
00:53:28.380 --> 00:53:29.099
Yeah.

1224
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:32.280
Oh yeah, like the, yeah, tenant hanging in the balloon against

1225
00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:33.659
black drapes is not good.

1226
00:53:35.159 --> 00:53:38.400
It's, it's very Trouton.

1227
00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:44.159
Yeah, see, this, this, give me some politics, Russell.

1228
00:53:44.219 --> 00:53:44.760
Yeah.

1229
00:53:44.820 --> 00:53:49.199
See, this is the scene where Russell watching at home at Christmas

1230
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:54.179
as he was watching this, said, I made a mistake with the ending.

1231
00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:56.280
So what does he say should happen?

1232
00:53:56.340 --> 00:54:00.539
What he says should happen is, and look, I'm pressaging it because

1233
00:54:00.539 --> 00:54:02.099
I forget how long this chat goes on for.

1234
00:54:02.340 --> 00:54:06.480
So he's about to set Miss Hartigan free, at which point she

1235
00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:09.420
screams at the sidemen and they blow up and the thing starts

1236
00:54:09.420 --> 00:54:12.300
falling over and the doctor has to zap it into the vortex.

1237
00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:18.659
And the thing is Russell watching it at home went, no, he should

1238
00:54:18.659 --> 00:54:21.840
have set her free and then she sends it into the vortex.

1239
00:54:21.900 --> 00:54:23.159
She saves London.

1240
00:54:23.219 --> 00:54:24.360
Yes.

1241
00:54:24.420 --> 00:54:27.000
That was what Russell thought was wrong.

1242
00:54:27.059 --> 00:54:29.400
And that way, you know, she gets redemption.

1243
00:54:29.460 --> 00:54:31.260
Yeah, I'd have liked redemption.

1244
00:54:31.320 --> 00:54:31.800
Yeah.

1245
00:54:31.860 --> 00:54:34.920
Because she just explodes into, like, it's only her frock left.

1246
00:54:34.980 --> 00:54:36.000
It's fabulous, actually.

1247
00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:40.079
It's fabulous, but it makes less sense than the Cyber King

1248
00:54:40.079 --> 00:54:40.380
itself.

1249
00:54:40.739 --> 00:54:42.840
But it is that idea.

1250
00:54:42.900 --> 00:54:46.320
Like she's supposed to see what she's become and this is her doing

1251
00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:47.099
that.

1252
00:54:47.159 --> 00:54:47.940
Is it no?

1253
00:54:48.000 --> 00:54:48.420
Not yet.

1254
00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:52.380
But it happens in a sec, but then she doesn't do anything with

1255
00:54:52.380 --> 00:54:53.760
that except explode everyone.

1256
00:54:53.820 --> 00:54:54.659
Yeah exactly.

1257
00:54:55.079 --> 00:54:58.739
And then we get another different special effect where the doctor

1258
00:54:58.739 --> 00:55:00.719
attacks the cyber king with the title sequence.

1259
00:55:00.780 --> 00:55:01.440
Yes.

1260
00:55:05.219 --> 00:55:07.079
Yeah, here she is.

1261
00:55:07.139 --> 00:55:08.699
Yeah, I'm sorry.

1262
00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:10.679
He's completely right at this point.

1263
00:55:10.739 --> 00:55:11.699
She needed to.

1264
00:55:11.699 --> 00:55:12.480
Yeah.

1265
00:55:12.539 --> 00:55:13.380
Redemption.

1266
00:55:14.099 --> 00:55:17.039
Oh, and she's acting a socks off.

1267
00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:18.239
Oh, yes, yes.

1268
00:55:19.440 --> 00:55:23.460
But yeah, it's that thing of, you know, Russell clearly didn't

1269
00:55:23.460 --> 00:55:27.960
have distance from the script as he usually would because he had

1270
00:55:27.960 --> 00:55:32.820
to write 15, Well, not write 15, but produce slash write 15

1271
00:55:32.820 --> 00:55:34.739
scripts in the time he would usually have for 13.

1272
00:55:34.860 --> 00:55:36.480
Oh, and there you go.

1273
00:55:36.539 --> 00:55:37.380
There's a frock.

1274
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:39.239
Yeah.

1275
00:55:39.300 --> 00:55:43.920
So, and now it's going to fall on Rosita and everyone.

1276
00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:47.880
Yeah, so, like, he's now the, he's the Greek chorus.

1277
00:55:47.940 --> 00:55:50.699
Now the doctor's just, I mean, yeah, Morrissey's just get, you

1278
00:55:50.699 --> 00:55:53.940
know, reduced to telling us what we just saw in the previous

1279
00:55:53.940 --> 00:55:54.599
scene.

1280
00:55:58.980 --> 00:56:02.039
It's Prometheus, run sideways.

1281
00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:10.260
Looks great doesn't it?

1282
00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:13.320
I mean, it's an absolute cartoon, but who cares?

1283
00:56:16.380 --> 00:56:17.219
Oh yeah, here we go.

1284
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:21.539
I mean, yeah, I mean, Russell's starting point is, anytime you

1285
00:56:21.539 --> 00:56:24.780
well, you said this as well, Nathan, anytime your resolution is

1286
00:56:24.780 --> 00:56:27.599
the doctor fires a gun at something. rewrite.

1287
00:56:27.659 --> 00:56:28.440
Yeah.

1288
00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:32.400
It's the same problem that I had with Rise of Skywalker.

1289
00:56:32.460 --> 00:56:36.420
It's just who is able to project the most lightning from their

1290
00:56:36.420 --> 00:56:38.219
things, wins.

1291
00:56:38.340 --> 00:56:40.260
You know, it's just not very interesting.

1292
00:56:42.059 --> 00:56:46.320
Yeah, I think I think I'm not really satisfied by it.

1293
00:56:46.380 --> 00:56:47.400
I think that's the thing.

1294
00:56:47.460 --> 00:56:48.000
Yeah.

1295
00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:51.360
It's, there's some nice elements, but, yeah.

1296
00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:52.679
It's average.

1297
00:56:52.739 --> 00:56:54.420
Like I give it I give it 7 out of 10.

1298
00:56:54.659 --> 00:56:55.739
0.4.

1299
00:56:56.460 --> 00:56:58.440
I give it a six.

1300
00:56:58.559 --> 00:56:59.820
0.6.

1301
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:02.159
No, I think I'm with you.

1302
00:57:02.219 --> 00:57:06.480
It's like a, it's it's just not that memorable.

1303
00:57:06.539 --> 00:57:07.380
Yeah.

1304
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:10.199
It's, look, I would argue of these specials.

1305
00:57:10.260 --> 00:57:13.440
The only one Russell really gets right is the waters of Mars and

1306
00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:14.579
end of time 2.

1307
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:19.019
End of time one, I think is the worst episode Russell writes for

1308
00:57:19.019 --> 00:57:19.380
the show.

1309
00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:23.219
I think there's a lot going for episode one, but it is him kind of

1310
00:57:23.219 --> 00:57:26.519
running on empty and kind of riding out the clock a bit.

1311
00:57:26.579 --> 00:57:27.239
Yeah.

1312
00:57:27.239 --> 00:57:32.340
I'm looking forward to see what I think of Planet of the Dead

1313
00:57:32.340 --> 00:57:35.460
because I have a little bit of a soft spot for it.

1314
00:57:35.519 --> 00:57:37.860
Planets of the Dead, I find is like this.

1315
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:40.320
It's like there's nothing I pointed and go, that's absolutely

1316
00:57:40.320 --> 00:57:43.860
disastrous, and it's like, I enjoyed the last hour, but I'm not

1317
00:57:43.860 --> 00:57:46.260
you know, it's not extremists, let's say.

1318
00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:48.719
But I mean, it is a season opener.

1319
00:57:48.780 --> 00:57:50.880
We'll get to that. later on.

1320
00:57:50.940 --> 00:57:52.500
Oh my god, a child just showed emotion.

1321
00:57:58.800 --> 00:58:00.659
Yeah, I mean, what's this shot?

1322
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:03.179
He's staring into the dead air of the conversation.

1323
00:58:06.420 --> 00:58:09.360
Oh, and here we are back in the thing.

1324
00:58:09.420 --> 00:58:12.000
And I mean, I think this seems quite agreeable as well.

1325
00:58:12.059 --> 00:58:12.960
Yes, yeah.

1326
00:58:16.019 --> 00:58:19.199
Yeah, see that's spoken of for centuries to come, you know.

1327
00:58:22.260 --> 00:58:28.559
Yeah, what's great about Moffat is that Moffat gives Um, no less

1328
00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:34.320
than 3 explanations in his 1st 2 years as to why people don't

1329
00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:34.920
remember things.

1330
00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:40.800
Yeah, no, well, he wipes out the two-part season finale of series

1331
00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:41.400
four.

1332
00:58:41.460 --> 00:58:42.539
Yeah, that never happened.

1333
00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:43.619
Yeah, yeah.

1334
00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:44.579
There's cracks.

1335
00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:45.960
And then he resets the universe twice.

1336
00:58:46.019 --> 00:58:47.039
Yeah, yeah.

1337
00:58:47.099 --> 00:58:48.480
I kind of like that.

1338
00:58:48.539 --> 00:58:49.440
Oh me too.

1339
00:58:49.500 --> 00:58:52.860
But we'll talk about this over the next number of years.

1340
00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:56.760
It's his approach to the show is not to create a coherent world

1341
00:58:56.760 --> 00:58:57.599
for it to happen.

1342
00:58:57.659 --> 00:59:00.659
He's interested in telling different types of stories.

1343
00:59:00.780 --> 00:59:02.880
Don't let the cat sit on the remote.

1344
00:59:02.940 --> 00:59:03.360
No.

1345
00:59:03.360 --> 00:59:09.059
That was a good leap Netflix, which is bad.

1346
00:59:10.019 --> 00:59:16.440
Yes, it's in Chesterson's coat from Marco Polo..

1347
00:59:16.500 --> 00:59:18.960
Oh, hello, this is a bit beautiful.

1348
00:59:19.019 --> 00:59:19.980
Yeah, isn't it?

1349
00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:20.400
Yeah.

1350
00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:24.960
And I'm pretty sure that's the same archway that they park in in

1351
00:59:24.960 --> 00:59:25.739
the Unquiet Dead.

1352
00:59:25.800 --> 00:59:27.599
Yeah, I think I was thinking that too.

1353
00:59:27.659 --> 00:59:27.840
Yeah.

1354
00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:28.260
Yeah.

1355
00:59:28.559 --> 00:59:30.480
In Swansea.

1356
00:59:30.539 --> 00:59:31.920
You lied to me, Jackson.

1357
00:59:31.980 --> 00:59:33.000
There is a Swansea.

1358
00:59:34.380 --> 00:59:37.079
I've got this toy now.

1359
00:59:37.139 --> 00:59:38.940
I've got the toy of this.

1360
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:39.659
Have you?

1361
00:59:39.659 --> 00:59:40.500
It's beautiful.

1362
00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:42.780
It's really easy to put together.

1363
00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:47.699
It struck me watching this too, how much that stuff above the

1364
00:59:47.699 --> 00:59:50.219
central column looks like a balloon.

1365
00:59:50.219 --> 00:59:51.539
Yes, yes.

1366
00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:52.860
Yes, it does.

1367
00:59:53.880 --> 00:59:55.920
I love this reaction.

1368
01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:03.719
It's great, isn't it?

1369
01:00:03.780 --> 01:00:04.500
Like, he loves it.

1370
01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:07.019
He's not distressed by it, but that's enough.

1371
01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:11.579
Oh, and there's the, yeah, that's lovely.

1372
01:00:11.639 --> 01:00:14.400
Now, to me, this is Jackson's heroic moment.

1373
01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:15.719
Yeah, maybe you're right.

1374
01:00:15.780 --> 01:00:16.260
Yeah.

1375
01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:21.719
Because like everyone in Journey's end lets the doctor walk away

1376
01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:23.519
because they think someone else is looking after him.

1377
01:00:23.579 --> 01:00:27.179
Yeah, and Jackson refuses to accept that.

1378
01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:29.699
And I just think that's beautiful.

1379
01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:33.179
Um, yeah.

1380
01:00:33.239 --> 01:00:36.780
And again, tenants doctor, you know, he's, he is in pining mode

1381
01:00:36.780 --> 01:00:40.380
here, but he's not whinging about it the way he does over rose.

1382
01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:43.320
He's he's resigned to it and he's accepting it.

1383
01:00:43.380 --> 01:00:46.440
He's expecting Jackson to say, oh, that's so sad. off you go.

1384
01:00:46.500 --> 01:00:47.699
Yeah.

1385
01:00:47.760 --> 01:00:52.199
Yeah, I guess I would have liked a proper, proper hero moment.

1386
01:00:52.260 --> 01:00:52.619
I get that.

1387
01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:53.099
I get that.

1388
01:00:53.159 --> 01:00:55.920
And I agree, especially rescuing a sound.

1389
01:00:55.920 --> 01:00:57.119
And sometimes they break my heart.

1390
01:00:57.179 --> 01:01:00.480
Yeah, that's sort of. you think he looks tired?

1391
01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:03.659
15 episodes.

1392
01:01:03.780 --> 01:01:04.380
That's right.

1393
01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:09.059
There's our 1st reference to Donna.

1394
01:01:09.119 --> 01:01:10.440
Yeah.

1395
01:01:14.400 --> 01:01:17.639
He's accepting Christmas dinner here just like he did with

1396
01:01:17.639 --> 01:01:18.179
Jackie.

1397
01:01:18.239 --> 01:01:18.840
Yeah.

1398
01:01:18.840 --> 01:01:20.639
Yeah, well, people call Jack.

1399
01:01:20.699 --> 01:01:21.539
He likes them.

1400
01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:26.400
Yeah, good.

1401
01:01:26.579 --> 01:01:27.480
Remember to close the door.

1402
01:01:27.539 --> 01:01:29.039
I'm always really anxious when you're fine.

1403
01:01:29.099 --> 01:01:32.099
I can't bear it when I do. in classic series when they don't do

1404
01:01:32.099 --> 01:01:32.280
it.

1405
01:01:32.340 --> 01:01:34.260
It's like, oh, really?

1406
01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:36.239
That's how you...

1407
01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:40.800
Planet of that.

1408
01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:42.420
Ah, well, there we go.

1409
01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:43.800
That was a happy Christmas.

1410
01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:44.639
Tremendous cars.

1411
01:01:44.760 --> 01:01:46.500
Paul Casey's, in fact, the cyber leader?

1412
01:01:46.559 --> 01:01:47.400
Yep, of course he is.

1413
01:01:47.699 --> 01:01:50.880
And a lot of people that worked very hard.

1414
01:01:50.940 --> 01:01:52.739
Yeah, well, a lot of people.

1415
01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:54.900
Well, they're allowed to do proper credits now.

1416
01:01:55.500 --> 01:01:56.880
Yes.

1417
01:01:56.880 --> 01:01:59.760
Yeah, well, they've slowed the credits down again in Doctor Who.

1418
01:01:59.820 --> 01:02:01.079
It's a bit jiggery, though.

1419
01:02:01.139 --> 01:02:03.300
I mean, that's a jigger jigger, I think.

1420
01:02:03.360 --> 01:02:03.599
Yeah.

1421
01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:08.340
Well, do we have closing statements or do we think we've more or

1422
01:02:08.340 --> 01:02:09.300
less exhausted this?

1423
01:02:09.780 --> 01:02:12.000
It's an agreeable hour.

1424
01:02:12.059 --> 01:02:12.840
Yeah.

1425
01:02:13.260 --> 01:02:14.099
I think that's fair.

1426
01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:17.460
It's totally okay, but I'm not I'm not in love with it.

1427
01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:21.840
I liked elements as we were watching it, but, you know, I'm going

1428
01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:25.139
to forget about it in, by the time I drive home tonight.

1429
01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:29.039
It's perfect Christmas repast.

1430
01:02:29.099 --> 01:02:32.820
I don't believe it sets out to do any more than it's required to.

1431
01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:36.119
In the end, it's, have I been given truth?

1432
01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:41.340
Do the performers believe in their own actions and there's no one

1433
01:02:41.340 --> 01:02:42.480
in this that lets me down?

1434
01:02:42.539 --> 01:02:45.539
I know what you're saying about the children, but I would have

1435
01:02:45.539 --> 01:02:47.400
liked...

1436
01:02:47.460 --> 01:02:51.059
Maybe, yeah, maybe as a two-parter with some spinning up, but it's

1437
01:02:51.059 --> 01:02:51.480
for Christmas.

1438
01:02:51.539 --> 01:02:53.460
So we just get high notes.

1439
01:02:53.519 --> 01:02:55.019
There's a lot of sugar in this.

1440
01:02:55.079 --> 01:02:56.400
Yeah.

1441
01:02:56.460 --> 01:02:57.059
Yeah.

1442
01:02:57.780 --> 01:03:01.139
Hence, we're all going to do a shot of insulin to go.

1443
01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:02.940
Another one of these cakes.

1444
01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:04.559
Vicious cakes.

1445
01:03:04.619 --> 01:03:05.340
Thank you, Richard.

1446
01:03:05.340 --> 01:03:06.539
Bringing them back to the podcast.

1447
01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:08.099
That's brilliant.

1448
01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:10.079
Little angel cake, was it?

1449
01:03:11.159 --> 01:03:15.239
Well, I guess all that remains is for me to say, well, dear

1450
01:03:15.239 --> 01:03:17.820
listener, that's all we have time for this week.

1451
01:03:17.820 --> 01:03:21.719
We'll be back in a few weeks time for a somewhat fly-blown trip to

1452
01:03:21.719 --> 01:03:24.179
Dubai in Planet of the Dead.

1453
01:03:24.900 --> 01:03:28.739
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts

1454
01:03:28.739 --> 01:03:31.739
and you can keep up with us at Flightthrough Entirety on Facebook

1455
01:03:31.739 --> 01:03:35.099
at FTE podcast on Twitter, and on our website

1456
01:03:35.099 --> 01:03:38.219
flightthroughentirety.com, where you'll find links to our other

1457
01:03:38.219 --> 01:03:41.159
podcasts, Bondfinger, and Jody into Terra.

1458
01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:45.179
Until next time, remember, always to be nice to the help.

1459
01:03:45.239 --> 01:03:49.320
It's the only way to ensure your invitation to one of the Cyber

1460
01:03:49.320 --> 01:03:50.639
King's garden parties.

1461
01:03:50.699 --> 01:03:53.159
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1462
01:03:53.219 --> 01:03:54.300
Good night.

1463
01:03:54.360 --> 01:03:56.400
See you soon Good then.