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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight from Entirety, the only Doctor Who commentary podcast created for the sole purpose of travelling back in time 27 years and bringing down Margaret Thatcher's government.

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I'm Nathan B. I'm James S. I'm Peter G. and I'm Todd B. Well, in November 2017, when we released our Sylvester McCoy retrospective, which was episode 29 advocate for genocide, we actually had a poll.

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Sorry.

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Yes, I remember that.

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Yeah, yeah.

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We had a poll.

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It was 150 years ago now on which Sylvester McCoy story we should do a commentary on, and we thought it was very urgent that we get to it.

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So we've left it 3 years before finally getting around to it.

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Todd's choice was Battlefield.

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Brendan wanted to do time in the Rani.

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Richard chose silver nemesis.

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All fine choices, I have to say.

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What the hell were we thinking?

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No, we knew what we were thinking because who chose this?

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So Happiness Patrol was me.

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I chose that, and it got exactly 50% of the vote.

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I may have voted 3 times.

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Well, we're never doing that again.

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So this is the 2nd serial of season 25 and it was broadcast in November 1988.

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And we've all podcasted on this quite a bit already.

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Our own episode, which you'll find in the show notes is episode 122, this neocon world.

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And then James elbowed his way onto the real McCoy podcast with Eric Stadnick and Adam Clegg.

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And dragged you along.

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And dragged me along.

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That's right.

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And we did that in December last year.

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So you'll find that in the show notes.

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And then there's a new to who Christmas special where James was asked.

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We were all asked, I think, what our favourite story was, and James shows the Happiness Patrol and talked about that.

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So this is a, we've run out of things to say.

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Nevertheless, we'll sit here mutely for an hour and 15 minutes or how long does this go for?

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hour and 15 minutes and just kind of just drooling in admiration, probably.

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All right, but we have our DVD ready to go.

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We're on the main menu.

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Gilbert M is walking down the stairs into the candy kitchen as we speak, and I've got Peter here with the remote.

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I do have to remote.

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And I'm going to get everyone to press the play button together.

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When I next say the code word and the code word will be walkies.

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More of that later.

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All right.

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So we are ready to go.

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Walkies.

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And we're off.

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Peak 80s.

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The kids at the Doctor Who Club at school always laugh at this title sequence.

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Really?

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Well, it's very period.

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It's very purple.

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I think the only thing that lets down this opening title sequence is the asteroids.

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Yeah, they're terrible.

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And I wish they weren't in the, um, in the closing credits as well.

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Yeah.

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That's hardest.

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This is brilliant though.

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It's the best the tardoise has ever looked in the opening time.

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Well, maybe.

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Up to this point.

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Yeah, that's one hell of a z. least the light's not wrong.

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No.

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I actually think that logo is really good.

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It's just the doctor on it is slightly light entertainment.

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It's very light entertainment.

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Yeah.

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When I say slightly, I mean, very.

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So last night I watched all of the deleted scenes.

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As did I?

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And so this scene is savagely topped and tailed.

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And this is a bit of a problem in the in the era, isn't it?

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Do you know that they wanted Silla Black for this role?

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She reminds me of her.

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It's a good thing they got her.

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But the music here, the music here by Dominic Gling is just outstanding.

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Oh he's wonderful.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So Dominic Glean is just incredible, isn't he?

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I think he's so underrated.

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Everybody talks about Mark Ayres, but I think Dominic means just stunning.

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Whatever you think of his theme tune and I actually really like it.

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Yeah, I do too.

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Like his incidental music for the show is fantastic.

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So what did he do?

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He did this.

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He did survival.

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Dragonfire and also the 1st 4 and last 2 episodes of Trial of a Timeline.

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Yeah, magnificent.

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We actually asked him, could we use the music for our time incorporated episode?

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And he very generously said yes.

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But the music is magnificent, isn't it?

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Magnificent.

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This is this is just wonderful.

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Sorry, Peter.

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I was going to say on the Dominic Glynn front.

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I know Dominic, because when I did my final film for university, which was an hour long epic, which maybe should not have been attempted, I went to Dominic and he did the score for me.

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And so we were, you know, we went out for an afternoon, we talked all about it.

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He went away for a couple of weeks and came back with just an amazing musical score.

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It actually sounds quite like his Doctor Who score for maybe survival, with a little bit of ultimate foe thrown in, and I'll pay you a bit later.

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It's amazing.

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You missed have a nice, nice death.

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She talks like this all the time, Daisy K. She was a bit.

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Sean Connery, really.

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She's great.

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I love her.

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I love the fact that she always just skating on the edge.

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She's mental, isn't she?

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She should have been the 1st female bond.

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She, that scene actually ends in the extended scenes with her looking just absolutely crazed.

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And it's a perfect final shot for the 1st scene because it tells you what the story's going to be about.

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So we actually end on her face just grinning horribly.

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So, you know, one of the working titles for this story?

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Yeah, the crooked smile.

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Yeah.

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So this is the kind of wonderful continuity stuff that I love with them coming out talking about how great invasion of the dinosaurs is.

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Because it absolutely is.

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When are we doing the Embijing the dinosaurs podcast?

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We never doing it again.

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Can I say one of the things about having these 3 episode stories and everything cut down?

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Like this...

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I find the dialogue here, to be quite still to like to get into it.

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Suddenly like she says the music's too happy.

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We've got to do something about it.

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It's just, it suffers in the editing.

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It's like, I'd love to see this redone and it's a film noir thing like now, given a little bit more time to sort of get into that.

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But, you know, we've just got to get into this, you know?

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And this is just well, I mean, she's absolutely incredible.

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But what's happened here, you know, Andrew Cartwell can't get the scripts to time, and it's an ongoing problem with his era, and it's not just the three-part stories, because Fenrick and Battlefield, both suffer from being, you know, Fenrick, particularly, episode one is cut to rim, I think.

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Um, and what they tend to do is cut into the middle of a scene, um, and cut stuff out of the middle of the scene, and so you just go backwards and forwards between to sort of plot through.

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That was J and T's thing.

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So to cut things down, you would basically cut a scene in half, remove a chunk, and then go back and you thought it had increased pace, which it does, but in a case like this makes it a bit unintelligible.

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Well, here too, they're topping and tailing.

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So you go into and out of the scenes really quickly.

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We're about to see a scene where Ace goes down to the Candy Kitchen.

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She smells something and then wanders off and then we never find out what that is.

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You know, like there's things that don't make sense.

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And what gets cut out is character and atmosphere.

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And so there's all sorts of really fun things that we just don't get to see.

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But we get to see this, and I'm sure some people out there would have been having apoplexy at the moment this started.

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I love this so much.

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It's so pretty.

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I kind of wish they hadn't repainted it.

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Imagine what had happened when the kid, the kid wipes Bad Wolf, the kid who graffities the TARDIS with a bad wolf and starts rubbing the paint off and gets to the pink layer.

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That some missed opportunity.

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There's this scene here where they were just checking the bullet holes.

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In the missing scenes, the doctor and ace have been everywhere.

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They've been to the candy kitchen.

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They've been to the execution area and then they've come back to here.

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And so there's huge reams of story missing.

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Yeah.

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Well, I mean, it's not story.

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It's not super essential, but it just gets us discovering the world at the same time as them.

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I think the great thing here is how the doctor reacts to the Tartish being painted pink and how much he likes it.

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You expect him to be really angry about it, but he's totally on board.

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The thing is, it does look really good.

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I would have been quite happy to have continued that way throughout the class era until Philip Siegel came in and said, absolutely not.

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I want to do a custom repainter of one of those character options. in the pig.

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Look, she is amazing here, Georgina Hale.

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I interviewed her in 1995, because Tapnestrol was one of my favourite stories, and so I made admission to talk to as many people as I could for Dog 2 magazine when I was doing the interviews for them.

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And some people had already been interviewed, but I got to speak to Georgina and Rachel Bell, who pays Priscilla and John Normington, who plays Trevor Sigma, Trevor Sigma, and also Chris Clough.

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And Georgina here was quite mad in real life as well, in a lovely way.

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And she said she decided to put on a slight American accent for it and she couldn't remember why.

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And you can shut off hair.

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That's what I was sharing earlier.

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She's just great.

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She is in one of my favourite. kids TV programs from when I was a child, tea bag.

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Oh, yes.

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Is teabagging still one of your favourites?

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Thank you, Peter.

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He, he's watching these disappearances like as, oh, I don't know what this is, you know, just routine disappearance number, whatever it was, and I just love it.

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So delicious.

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I think I think we go over 500,000 during the course of this night.

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Yeah.

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So it's it's 487 or 987 or something like that at the end and there's been like 20 something disappearances during the course of the evening.

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This is cut down as well.

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Like this was much longer.

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There's an extended scene of this speech, which, again, is introduces the important theme, that she is unable to deal with the fact that there is political dissent.

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You know, she we'll see in episode 3 that she can't accept that her regime is toppling, but it introduces the theme, that the happiness thing is not really, um, about happiness.

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It's about political descent.

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And it's interesting as well that this is not a front for her.

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She's not, she's not putting on this front for the population when she's in private with her husband.

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She's looking at him and saying, you should watch this.

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You'll find this instructor.

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She's an absolute true believer.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's a front that she's completely self-deceived.

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Yeah, yeah.

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She's a zealot.

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Yeah.

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So appalling.

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So great.

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And then the canned laughter.

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Yeah, she was married to, was it John Thor, is her husband?

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And apparently she came onto the studio floor and said to John Nathan Turner, my husband, who's, of course, got a lot of experience with working in TV drama, has looked at the short list you've got and said, you will never get this filmed and John Nathan Turner said, watches.

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Yeah, I think you'll just never get it aired though, sadly.

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We'll get in the camera.

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We just won't get half of it out again.

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It's all the smaller parts in this that are unsung heroes, like every single one.

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You're only as strong as your weakest think.

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She is incredible.

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Oh, she's amazing.

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The waiting zone.

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And the smile, just the way, again, that she goes from this sort of bland and she's she's like an usher rant, isn't she at a movie theatre with that box?

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But this, the music here and the sudden delivery of that line and Sylvester moving his leg back with his umbrella is so great.

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It's so stylised and so beautifully done.

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You know, people seem to have a problem with the sets for this story.

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They say that they don't look realistic, that it should have been shot on location, et cetera.

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I think the world that's created for this story.

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I mean, look at this set.

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It is beautiful.

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There's no attempt to sort of disguise the sound of the set.

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And so whenever anyone walks on stairs or anything, you can hear sort of echoing wood.

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And like I do think that you can hear the sound of the studio set in a way that undermines the realism.

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But basically it's a theatre piece.

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I think.

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None of the, none of the action sequences come off at all.

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And partly because they're sort of can't, but there aren't that many action sequences anyway. adds to it.

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Yeah, like, I mean, the theatricality, the the facade, and we said this in the podcast we did with Eric and Adam, like, it, it shows that this world is completely false, and, yeah, well, this is this is the camp thing.

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And it even says it on the DVD liner notes that there's an inversion here where I've arrived.

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Sorry, I just need Todd playing Gilbert M. John Normington said that he and Harold Innocent were lifelong friends and they'd never worked together until this, the only time they did.

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And they have that one scene together that's cut out.

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Well, no, it's still in there where, um, where Trevor Sigma comes into the palace and talks to, um, Helen A and Harold Innocent.

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Oh no, that's Joseph C.

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Oh no, you're right.

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No, there's a scene in the Candy Kitchen early on, which has a great gag.

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Again, if you've got the, if you've got the DVD, the extended and deleted scenes are absolute must watches, I had never seen them before last night.

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And they're brilliant.

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And that scene with Harold Innocent and John Norlington is so funny and has one line that had me laughing out loud.

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People said that Harold Innocent was absolutely hilarious.

227
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And so he kept everyone in hysterics.

228
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I mean, all of this, you know, the sort of, as James was saying, the camp theatricality, and then the people who are on the outside are all wearing black, the drones and this political dissident here, I mean, what Harold V is a political dissident, we don't know what he's been caught for, an ostentatious display of public grief could be some kind of political protest.

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And I think I think that that's what's happening here.

230
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I like her little her little tiny pink button.

231
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He's got a little blue button.

232
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It's like Serverland's Ginka kilt.

233
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But the pink button kills you with pink stuff and then the blue button kills you with blue lightning as well.

234
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Like they're totally colour coordinated.

235
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Now, apparently it looks like some British sweet.

236
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Yeah, so Birdie Bassett, who was a logo for some kind of Bassett sweets, yeah.

237
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Well, look, I didn't know about it.

238
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So I had no problem with it.

239
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I think it's brilliant.

240
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I just think it's absolutely brilliant.

241
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And better masterpiece.

242
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Yeah, better than the original conception, which had him as a sort of pale figure.

243
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You know, like I think he just finishes done repeatedly.

244
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Of course.

245
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What if they brought back the candy man?

246
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They brought back the Candyman as...

247
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Graham Curran.

248
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Oh, God.

249
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Look at that.

250
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Imagine cleaning that up.

251
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Yeah, they got his bones back together and reconstituted him.

252
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So, so this, this scene here, he reaches his hand out at the end and it's heart.

253
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But what happens in the extended things is he wipes some of the the syrup off the guy's face, licks it, and then smiles and says strawberry.

254
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And it's so black.

255
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It's so wonderful and it's so heartbreaking that it's not in there.

256
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Todd thinks it goes too far.

257
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I do.

258
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I think sometimes I think sometimes scenes are cut for a reason.

259
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But there's a number in here, all the introductory ones that should could have been kept.

260
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I think some of these 3 episode stories need 25 to 27 minutes as opposed to 22.5 .

261
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Oh my god, there he goes.

262
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We see, the same thing could have befallen the last episode of Trial of a Timelord.

263
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That would have been cut to ribbons, except they got special disagentation to make it 30 minutes. 30 minutes would have been perfect.

264
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And 30 minutes, I mean, there's 30 minutes of material for each of these episodes, I think, or something close to that.

265
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27,28.

266
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I love this so...

267
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She's really good.

268
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But he's good in it as well.

269
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That little smile, he does, is so great.

270
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Sylvester is great throughout this story.

271
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Yeah.

272
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This is this is very much, you know, I've been reading Elle Sander for stuff about the new adventures lately because the book has just been released.

273
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And that conception of the doctor is a sort of darker figure who goes from place to place and, you know, has a plan and stuff.

274
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I think that's really starting here.

275
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Maybe remembrance.

276
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Yeah, I mean, it's very Patrick Trouton as well.

277
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The way that doctor would kind of, you know, just would nip into situations and wander around a little bit, kind of gather information and subverting.

278
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It's so different from the previous season.

279
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This too, where he overtalks her, where he just says yes while she is finishing the waiting zone go-kart line.

280
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Really well done.

281
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It's menacing in a really, really interesting way.

282
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And like he's super calm, you know, there's no anger, he's barely moving, but he's incredibly threatening. in the way he delivers his lives.

283
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Remembrance and this.

284
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You know, is the 1st 2 of this season.

285
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So it's just worked out what he wants to do. running's worked out what they want to do with him.

286
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It's just a great marriage and he's so he's so much better than the previous season.

287
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Well, the character, it just works well.

288
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So I want to give you Alfie's assessment of how realistic this puppet puppet is.

289
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So Alfie didn't react at all to that scene. you know, when I was watching it 2 days ago.

290
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But in a scene later on where you can see the whole puppet and Helena is taking the bandages off it and it's growling, he did growl at the screen then.

291
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That part was more convincing. it was more convincing.

292
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What isn't very captured?

293
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Is the go-karts here, which, of course, the same people, I believe, were responsible for the vengeance on Barros go-karts as well.

294
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And, you know, they just, you know, is a getaway vehicle.

295
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They zip along, don't they?

296
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That shot of it actually where it's not clear how big it is is a problem because it looks a bit like a roller skate as well.

297
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So when you 1st see the 1st shot of it, and no one is in the shot with it.

298
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You can't work out how big it is.

299
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There is only 4 feet of corridors.

300
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No, I know.

301
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The set is so tight.

302
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I mean, and look at this, though.

303
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Doesn't this give the light to the fact that 1980s Doctor Who was never well lit?

304
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Yeah.

305
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This is beautifully lit.

306
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Well, there's a sort of noir-ish kind of thing going on, isn't there?

307
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Oh, look.

308
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It's good King Winchesters.

309
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The last time I watched this, I did watch it in black and white.

310
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Didn't that take something away from me?

311
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I love the pink. though.

312
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Well, yes, the colour.

313
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But in some ways, like some of it actually works better because the stark contrast between... actually adds as a certain amount of...

314
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Here we have Susan Q, and you can tell that she's an important character because she has a hero wig.

315
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You can see.

316
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Like she has a different wig from everyone else.

317
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She has actually been introduced already by this point in episode one. but that scenes can't.

318
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So the scene where she comes in and Priscilla P says, you know, we don't have any prisoners on Terra Alpha and she says, well, we don't have any now because they've escaped from the waiting zone.

319
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So she's already been introduced.

320
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That's another scene.

321
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And so, and all a whole heap of dialogue between her and Ace has disappeared, which is really good, where she talks about how she used to have a collection of blues albums and stuff.

322
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It's, you know, like I think that stuff's super important.

323
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I agree with you.

324
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I mean, right here, we just, we see her for 12nd, then we cut to this and, and straight away.

325
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I mean, obviously you're straight into the point that, you know, she is tired of this life and all that it stands for.

326
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But where is that backstory?

327
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Yeah.

328
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Like, why is she so trusting of this girl, she's only just met.

329
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Yeah.

330
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And look at that.

331
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That is the same shot that's used at the end of episode three, but looking the other way.

332
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Again, I have a slight problem here is that like he's playing very melancholy stuff and surely they would have heard it from 5 feet away and then suddenly it's all, you know, lively and happy.

333
00:21:03.839 --> 00:21:08.579
Now, that short that we just had on Earl Sigma there was on a tilt, on a Dutch angle.

334
00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:13.259
So the story with that was Chris Clough said that he wanted to shoot everything on tilts.

335
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So you'd have the middle camera in the studio, which was just normal, and then left-hand side camera was tilted one way, the right hand side camera was the other way.

336
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It's very noticeable in the opening scene.

337
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But he said that they shot about 3 or 4 scenes, so you can tell what was shot early, and he said, GNT in the gallery said, no, it's making me giddy.

338
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And so they took them off the angles and put them back onto the normal plane.

339
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What else has Chris directed?

340
00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:43.319
So Nemesis, Delta and Dragonfire, and Tear of the Vervoids ultimate foe.

341
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See, I don't think he's very good.

342
00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:54.240
And I think there are some really good camera work here, but I think that there's some the action scenes, such as they are. are super listless.

343
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I might say this is probably his best story and it's to do with casting.

344
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Yep.

345
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Yeah, I think so.

346
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I think the script and the performances are so superb that the fact that the direction is sort of a bit boring.

347
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With exceptions, there are some great individual scenes and shots and stuff.

348
00:22:13.319 --> 00:22:15.779
Do you know, I think this could have been over eggs, though.

349
00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:17.519
I mean we were talking about this last night.

350
00:22:17.579 --> 00:22:19.799
It might have needed more of a directorial voice.

351
00:22:19.859 --> 00:22:29.039
That could have made it better, but I think also having a director who just kind of shows what's happening, because what's happening is quite crazy, might actually make it a better story.

352
00:22:29.099 --> 00:22:31.980
He allows it, the actors, space.

353
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He allows them to breathe and do their thing.

354
00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:40.920
And you see that in their performances, which is, Peter, I think, what you're saying, that actually works in its favour.

355
00:22:41.099 --> 00:22:42.960
So have a look here.

356
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I think we might get the tilts here if this was one of the early scenes.

357
00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:46.500
So that's the middle camera.

358
00:22:46.559 --> 00:22:55.319
So he's got a, he's got an underground newspaper called the grief that he's reading in that scene, the headline of it was briefly visible.

359
00:22:55.380 --> 00:22:59.460
And a lot of those restored scenes, if you know the novelisation, they're all in it.

360
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This, I think, is making it very clear that the happiness stuff is all about political descent because we're replaying the 1st scene, which is about being depressed.

361
00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:14.279
But here it's about politics, isn't it?

362
00:23:14.339 --> 00:23:14.700
Yes.

363
00:23:14.759 --> 00:23:16.079
See, on a tilt?

364
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Back to Sylvester on a different tilt.

365
00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:18.720
Yeah.

366
00:23:18.779 --> 00:23:21.000
But it works well for his scenes.

367
00:23:21.059 --> 00:23:25.859
Yeah, because their close-ups of his face and it's conspiratorial and stuff like that.

368
00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:30.180
I guess I never quite got the political sort of tilt.

369
00:23:30.180 --> 00:23:34.079
When I 1st watched it, like it was all about happiness and she wanted everybody to be happy.

370
00:23:34.140 --> 00:23:56.700
But I was clearly enough to understand that this was supposed to be Margaret Thatcher, you know, and in the 1980s with Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan as a kid and all the news you got, you just thought of them as being these loved leaders who had, you know, who were standing up to communism and and whatever, but I never realised, you know, how divisive they actually were in their own countries.

371
00:23:56.759 --> 00:24:01.859
And it was really, perhaps only after this, that I began to sort of think about things like that.

372
00:24:01.920 --> 00:24:04.019
But, you know, straight away.

373
00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:08.099
I just thought, oh, this is, this is something to do with Margaret Thatcher, it's so obvious.

374
00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:10.920
I don't know how anybody could not ever.

375
00:24:10.980 --> 00:24:12.599
There's the fakeness.

376
00:24:12.660 --> 00:24:23.579
Remember, there was a well-known story that she had done vocal coaching in order to, you know, as she became a sort of more important political leader, she'd kind of done vocal coaching.

377
00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:24.359
So there we go.

378
00:24:24.420 --> 00:24:25.019
Yeah.

379
00:24:25.740 --> 00:24:31.680
And, you know, having an idiot husband and all of that sort of thing is all kind of part of it.

380
00:24:31.859 --> 00:24:38.700
But the iconography is, is like a crumbling South American dictatorship, isn't it?

381
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Like with the paint peeling everywhere.

382
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I would agree.

383
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Absolutely.

384
00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:42.960
I think that's hilarious.

385
00:24:43.019 --> 00:24:45.839
Daisy Kay is just must just hate Silas P. so much.

386
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She's just itching for him to make a mistake.

387
00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:48.660
They've been doing this for years.

388
00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:56.220
And then he just has this one moment where he's suddenly sitting there like, oh, you know, something's gone wrong and then she's he's blown away.

389
00:24:56.279 --> 00:25:07.079
I also wonder too, whether, because Helen A thinks he's too ambitious, they're not quite the very top, I hope, Silas B. You know, an instrument.

390
00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:08.039
I like that.

391
00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:13.680
That's good Oh, these sets are so beautiful.

392
00:25:13.740 --> 00:25:15.180
I absolutely love them.

393
00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:18.779
Yeah, they're a very strange choice, aren't they?

394
00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:30.660
The idea, like, you can imagine a designer deciding to go all out with the pink and the pastel colours and stuff and then deciding, but here it's all black and white and it's all a bit shabby.

395
00:25:30.779 --> 00:25:34.200
I just like to say that I have more hair and I am younger than that man.

396
00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:37.740
But I could in fact do that at all.

397
00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:39.059
Definitely now.

398
00:25:39.420 --> 00:25:41.039
Thanks, James.

399
00:25:41.099 --> 00:25:41.819
Who invited you?

400
00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:43.799
And this they're so married.

401
00:25:43.859 --> 00:25:48.960
It's so wonderful. the what time do you call this line with the with the rolling pin earlier on.

402
00:25:49.019 --> 00:25:52.500
And this is absolutely sort of Hansel and Gretel.

403
00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:53.339
Do you know what I mean?

404
00:25:53.460 --> 00:25:55.079
Spinning eyes to it to me.

405
00:25:55.980 --> 00:25:59.759
So they have constant marital tests, don't they?

406
00:25:59.819 --> 00:26:04.500
Do you think that do you think that he's tasted the candy man's cane?

407
00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:07.440
Oh, this is a family.

408
00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:08.640
Definitely our speech.

409
00:26:08.700 --> 00:26:09.900
Definitely peppermint.

410
00:26:10.559 --> 00:26:13.019
Oh, and oh, dear.

411
00:26:13.740 --> 00:26:16.019
I can feel one of my moods coming on.

412
00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:21.180
And also, not only does the Candyman look brilliant.

413
00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:22.259
He sounds brilliant.

414
00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:24.660
There's a brilliant performance going on.

415
00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:25.980
Just so great.

416
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:37.680
And I love this, you know, its usual sort of cliffhanger phase, but we've just had this line about smiles on their faces and then you get this close-up of him grimacing. you know as he sort of moves out of the way.

417
00:26:37.740 --> 00:26:41.759
So it is, it's a perfect kind of cliffhanger face final shot. absolutely.

418
00:26:41.819 --> 00:26:47.700
The thing, the thing that makes the canaman such a brilliant character. is that he's psychotic, but he also has a weird sense of fun.

419
00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:51.119
He banters with the doctor quite often.

420
00:26:51.180 --> 00:26:57.119
But they're the best Dr. Hoovillains when they've got a bit of a sense of humour, like, whether it be Harrison Chase or whoever.

421
00:26:57.180 --> 00:27:00.839
Like, they, they do make, they just make a...

422
00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:05.579
And also, the best Doctor Who villains also have a henchman who is sort of a lesser evil version of themselves.

423
00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:07.680
So you've got like Tobias Warren and Packer.

424
00:27:07.740 --> 00:27:09.420
He've got the Candyman and Harold.

425
00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:10.319
Yeah, yeah.

426
00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:16.079
But it's Harold really worse because he created him and he also was on another planet with him or whatever.

427
00:27:16.140 --> 00:27:17.400
Yeah, no, he's Gilbert.

428
00:27:17.460 --> 00:27:18.059
Gilbert.

429
00:27:18.059 --> 00:27:18.779
Oh, Gilbert, sorry.

430
00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:21.839
Oh, Harold, in a Sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah.

431
00:27:21.900 --> 00:27:22.619
They all refused.

432
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:23.880
How could we forget?

433
00:27:23.940 --> 00:27:26.819
This whole black...

434
00:27:26.819 --> 00:27:27.779
I can't talk.

435
00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:28.259
Backstory.

436
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:29.220
There's a whole backstory.

437
00:27:30.059 --> 00:27:38.279
In the novelisation, which explains, you know, how they came to be on the planet, which is...

438
00:27:38.339 --> 00:27:41.579
Isn't the audiobook of the novelisation read by someone interesting?

439
00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:45.720
Yes, it's read by...

440
00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:47.099
Resurrection of the Daleks.

441
00:27:47.099 --> 00:27:48.779
Ruler Lenska.

442
00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:49.500
Rulalenska.

443
00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:49.859
Wow.

444
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:51.180
What an interesting choice.

445
00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:55.019
Well, especially when she's doing Helena.

446
00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:56.819
She just does Margaret Thatch.

447
00:27:56.880 --> 00:28:01.619
She's already got that kind of plummy voice and Taylor Hancock's just doing Margaret.

448
00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:05.819
But, you know, he's just doing Margaret Thatcher's voice.

449
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:08.279
I could see Ruler Linska actually playing that character.

450
00:28:08.339 --> 00:28:13.079
She's really good, ruler lens, because she was thrown away on Resurrection of the Daleks, I think.

451
00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:15.839
Well, those scenes would be much worse without her.

452
00:28:15.900 --> 00:28:17.759
She's great in the...

453
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:20.400
Oh, Nathan, your bile would be better directed than the enemy.

454
00:28:20.460 --> 00:28:23.880
She's getting the hitchhiker's...

455
00:28:23.940 --> 00:28:24.779
Yeah, yeah, she is.

456
00:28:24.839 --> 00:28:25.440
Yeah.

457
00:28:25.500 --> 00:28:26.880
Yeah, she's Lynn Tilla.

458
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:35.640
Yeah, the thing about Helen A and Margaret Thatcher is the watch Thatcher is often accused of is the destruction of society.

459
00:28:35.759 --> 00:28:45.240
So, um, you know, she sold off loads of council housing and she was responsible for the decimation of kind of northern mining communities and things like that.

460
00:28:45.299 --> 00:28:48.059
And that's really what Helen A is doing.

461
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:51.599
She's destroying her own society by trying to force them to be happy.

462
00:28:51.660 --> 00:28:53.099
How can you destroy something that doesn't exist?

463
00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:55.079
Yeah, well, she's, I mean, it is that thing.

464
00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:55.859
Yeah.

465
00:28:55.859 --> 00:28:57.599
She says no such thing as society.

466
00:28:57.660 --> 00:29:01.200
There are individuals and there are families and that's all that matters.

467
00:29:01.259 --> 00:29:06.599
And we see now what that approach, the effect that that approach has.

468
00:29:06.660 --> 00:29:19.740
Like it makes, you know, any kind of concerted, common sacrifice impossible, you know, and we're finding ourselves in a situation where that's absolutely kind of necessary to our survival.

469
00:29:19.740 --> 00:29:22.859
These right wing governments can't cope with it.

470
00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:26.039
And they've been pushing it ever since for exactly that reason.

471
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:27.000
Yeah, yeah.

472
00:29:27.059 --> 00:29:28.740
So we called it...

473
00:29:28.740 --> 00:29:31.200
We called this episode this neocon world.

474
00:29:31.259 --> 00:29:35.819
But, I mean, it's it's, you know, kind of neo-liberalism that's being attacked here.

475
00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:39.720
I love all the other happiness patrol members.

476
00:29:39.779 --> 00:29:41.099
Look at them. amazing.

477
00:29:41.220 --> 00:29:43.319
They're all just convincing enough.

478
00:29:43.380 --> 00:29:49.019
They're not quite good enough to be in the main cast, but they're all just good enough, you know, to sell it.

479
00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:53.759
There are some very, very ropey deleted scenes where they're trying to run up and downstairs.

480
00:29:53.819 --> 00:29:55.559
I'm sure, okay?

481
00:29:55.619 --> 00:30:02.400
You know, we almost had a reversed version of this in season one. as in Series one?

482
00:30:02.460 --> 00:30:02.880
Season one.

483
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:03.480
Season one.

484
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:29.039
There was a script or not script necessary, but like a story concept that was pitched during the early 60s where the TARDIS would have landed an alternate version of the mid 40s in a society where to laugh was a crime.

485
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:31.079
I hadn't heard.

486
00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:32.759
And then we're going to call the story the Jokers.

487
00:30:32.819 --> 00:30:37.740
They would have gotten into trouble by Susan being unable to contain her peals of laughter.

488
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:41.880
Oh my god.

489
00:30:41.940 --> 00:30:46.200
We were at university, Peter, when this came out and told as well.

490
00:30:46.259 --> 00:30:47.579
I was at uni.

491
00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:48.359
I wasn't at uni.

492
00:30:48.420 --> 00:30:48.779
I was at school.

493
00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:50.579
You're a year younger than me.

494
00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:50.880
Yeah.

495
00:30:50.940 --> 00:30:51.299
Yeah.

496
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:52.200
Yeah we were at school.

497
00:30:52.259 --> 00:30:53.400
You were at school.

498
00:30:53.460 --> 00:31:02.099
I seem to remember, though, getting to university and maybe it was sort of Kate Orman and various other people who had seen it and everyone was just doing lines from this all the time.

499
00:31:02.220 --> 00:31:04.019
Yeah, already it was iconic.

500
00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:05.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

501
00:31:05.460 --> 00:31:07.440
We have the waitings.

502
00:31:07.500 --> 00:31:09.119
And it moves to different places.

503
00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:09.779
I love that.

504
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:14.039
The story that we treat is iconic is iconoclastic.

505
00:31:14.099 --> 00:31:15.240
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

506
00:31:15.299 --> 00:31:15.900
Yeah.

507
00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:19.380
See, she's she is so good.

508
00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:22.200
She was one of the people who I interviewed and she was so charming.

509
00:31:22.259 --> 00:31:29.579
She said, um, she'd been in a sitcom called Dear John, which was um, quite popular, and she'd been in the Darling Buds of May.

510
00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:34.980
And she leaned across the cafe table to me and she said, um, only worked sporadically up until when I was 35.

511
00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:40.140
She said, but when I hit 35, it all came together and I worked absolutely solidly for 10 years.

512
00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:42.960
And then she said, now, darling, you're not to do any sums.

513
00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:49.559
She was charming.

514
00:31:49.619 --> 00:31:59.339
There's that very final scene, which we'll talk about when we get there, where both her and Daisy K kind of drop the performance a bit and they're really funny.

515
00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:01.500
Like they just have that little exchange at the end.

516
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:04.440
I'm glad you're happy, Daisy. is so great.

517
00:32:05.220 --> 00:32:07.200
I think it's great.

518
00:32:07.259 --> 00:32:22.740
I do question that the Candyman gets killed, but none of the happiness patrol, hell, mate. none of them actually do, and you normally would expect at least one of them up and coming because Daisy K is actually like pretty terrible.

519
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:27.779
I think I think there's something sort of slightly grown up about that though.

520
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:28.799
Do you know what I mean?

521
00:32:28.859 --> 00:32:31.799
The job is to overthrow the government rather than kill the villains.

522
00:32:31.859 --> 00:32:45.779
You know, and I think that's probably okay, particularly if, like, you know, I didn't like Arachnids in the UK having a Donald Trump analogue and then having him not eaten by a spider at the end.

523
00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:52.799
That was the obvious thing to do, and it's absolutely heartbreaking that it didn't happen and shameful and a moral outrage.

524
00:32:53.220 --> 00:32:57.059
Sorry to be laughing, but Candyman's just got stuck to the floor.

525
00:32:57.119 --> 00:32:58.920
And it's just hilarious.

526
00:32:58.980 --> 00:33:03.180
And it, um, so I don't think killing Margaret Thatcher.

527
00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:06.059
I think that would have been kind of mean spirited sort of thing.

528
00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:08.579
I just felt that one of her henchmen may have.

529
00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:13.319
But I mean, obviously it is the Candyman that gets turned into...

530
00:33:13.380 --> 00:33:16.740
You can lock up a transdimensional gene marsh.

531
00:33:16.859 --> 00:33:17.220
Yeah, yeah.

532
00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:19.019
We didn't kill Jean Marsh next year.

533
00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:20.460
Gilbert.

534
00:33:21.660 --> 00:33:27.059
Candyman has a huge, has a huge mixer in his kitchen just there.

535
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:28.559
It's all this sort of 50s.

536
00:33:28.740 --> 00:33:29.940
Yes, yeah, it's amazing.

537
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:31.680
Well, look, that's on a tilt as well.

538
00:33:31.740 --> 00:33:38.099
There's a look at the radio on top of the on top of the poker machine there as well.

539
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:41.279
It's again, very 50s. you know, sort of baker light radio.

540
00:33:41.339 --> 00:33:49.740
It's interesting, these characters, because I think that Priscilla P is written and is specified later in the script as a fanatic.

541
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:56.819
Whereas because her performance is more subdued, maybe more controlled, actually Daisy K comes off as the fanatic.

542
00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:58.980
Yeah, she seems more mental, doesn't she?

543
00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:07.980
But they're just a great combination. both of them People have said, you know, there's a problem in that no one in the story is happy, but clearly that's the point.

544
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:10.619
Like nobody is actually happy.

545
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:13.079
Yeah, they're all super miserable.

546
00:34:13.139 --> 00:34:14.820
Like she's complaining.

547
00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:21.420
Oh, poor old Susie Q. Can we talk about how great she is?

548
00:34:21.539 --> 00:34:22.920
Phenomenally good.

549
00:34:22.980 --> 00:34:24.840
I mean, she was great in front of yours.

550
00:34:24.900 --> 00:34:26.880
I was in love with her in Frontios.

551
00:34:26.940 --> 00:34:28.019
I thought she was spectacular.

552
00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:31.800
Like I just adored her in Frontios and was so excited to see her back.

553
00:34:31.860 --> 00:34:36.480
Was she any other, like, long-term series or anything?

554
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:38.280
She was a mate December, wasn't she?

555
00:34:38.340 --> 00:34:39.900
She was...

556
00:34:39.900 --> 00:34:41.579
May.

557
00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:42.360
Oh, okay.

558
00:34:42.420 --> 00:34:43.980
Who was December?

559
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:50.219
Yeah, Leslie Donald. talking about Leslie Donald, I just thought that she would have had a bigger star.

560
00:34:50.940 --> 00:34:51.539
Because she's gray.

561
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:52.739
She's great.

562
00:34:52.739 --> 00:34:54.239
How long did you made December go for it?

563
00:34:54.300 --> 00:34:56.219
It was a long running zitcom.

564
00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:56.880
Okay.

565
00:34:56.940 --> 00:34:58.320
Sorry, I'm not familiar with it.

566
00:34:58.380 --> 00:35:10.619
It's basically she's a woman in her... 20s and she's married to an older gentleman and it's a whole sort of, is it a 90 sitcom or?

567
00:35:10.619 --> 00:35:13.380
I think it was 90s or maybe late 80s.

568
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:13.860
Okay.

569
00:35:13.860 --> 00:35:19.199
Um, it could have actually been later than that, but yeah, it was quite enjoyable.

570
00:35:19.260 --> 00:35:20.519
I just love this fact.

571
00:35:20.579 --> 00:35:24.719
He's just going about, like, he's stuck to the floor and...

572
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:28.139
The scenes are gold.

573
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:29.519
Rant and rave.

574
00:35:29.579 --> 00:35:31.800
Well, there's that thing too.

575
00:35:31.860 --> 00:35:34.559
Remember where he says, oh, I thought of a way of unsticking you.

576
00:35:34.619 --> 00:35:39.960
And but then I forgot, but I wrote it down on a note, but then I lost the note.

577
00:35:40.019 --> 00:35:41.639
That's one of the missing scenes.

578
00:35:44.820 --> 00:35:50.820
So talking about Leslie Dunlop, she was actually married to Christopher Guard, Bellboy in Greatest Show.

579
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:51.360
Oh wow.

580
00:35:51.420 --> 00:35:52.679
He's an attractive couple.

581
00:35:52.739 --> 00:35:54.059
Yeah, very much so.

582
00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:54.719
Oh, wow.

583
00:35:54.780 --> 00:35:57.539
And Todd, did you watch Emmerdale at some point?

584
00:35:57.599 --> 00:35:58.440
Yes, I did.

585
00:35:58.500 --> 00:35:59.760
Yeah, she's in Emmerdale.

586
00:35:59.820 --> 00:36:00.900
Oh, I'm a fool, of course.

587
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:02.519
Yeah, she is in Emmerdale.

588
00:36:02.579 --> 00:36:02.760
Yes.

589
00:36:02.820 --> 00:36:03.539
Yes, yes, yes.

590
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:05.099
And you know who she's married to now?

591
00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:07.920
You know who plays Pollard in Emmerdale in real life?

592
00:36:07.980 --> 00:36:09.239
Eric Pollard.

593
00:36:09.300 --> 00:36:09.659
Yeah.

594
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:11.340
Oh, wow.

595
00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:12.659
I would never have thought that.

596
00:36:12.659 --> 00:36:13.260
Isn't that amazing?

597
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:15.000
I think there's quite an age difference.

598
00:36:15.059 --> 00:36:16.739
Yes, I think so.

599
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:17.579
May to December.

600
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:18.659
Exactly.

601
00:36:18.659 --> 00:36:22.619
Ah, she's so good.

602
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:25.679
It's so wonderful Don't those weeks look great in close-up?

603
00:36:25.739 --> 00:36:27.960
Well, she's got a hero wig, as I said before.

604
00:36:28.019 --> 00:36:32.099
She was also in a production of Phoenix and the Carpet, but not the same one.

605
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:34.079
I just think of them as a nice bovo.

606
00:36:34.619 --> 00:36:37.199
I don't know why I just do.

607
00:36:37.260 --> 00:36:39.360
Yeah, no, purple and pink, absolutely.

608
00:36:39.420 --> 00:36:41.820
And a bit of coconut.

609
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:44.400
These wonderful scenes.

610
00:36:44.460 --> 00:36:49.500
I mean, they're obviously very cheap sets, but they've turned the lighting so far down that you can barely see the actors' faces.

611
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:50.880
Wicked.

612
00:36:50.940 --> 00:36:59.579
I've really struggled to understand what these guys said the 1st time through and over the years, obviously, I've worked out what they've said, but on initial broadcast, it's like, what are they saying?

613
00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:00.119
Yeah.

614
00:37:00.179 --> 00:37:04.380
We spoke quite a bit about this when we were on the real McCoy?

615
00:37:04.500 --> 00:37:07.320
Because why what are they for?

616
00:37:07.380 --> 00:37:09.059
Like, why are they here?

617
00:37:09.659 --> 00:37:21.719
So episode 2 makes it clear the political thing because the depression, which is introduced at the beginning of episode 2, is a political protest about factory conditions.

618
00:37:21.780 --> 00:37:25.320
You know, it is very explicitly a labour protest.

619
00:37:25.380 --> 00:37:28.199
And here there's something about colonialism.

620
00:37:28.260 --> 00:37:31.920
You know, they've colonised this planet, but it has...

621
00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:32.699
They're indigenous people.

622
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:34.380
Yeah, it has indigenous people there.

623
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:36.539
And they're oppressing them.

624
00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:40.199
And it's kind of hard to fit that into a kind of English context.

625
00:37:40.260 --> 00:37:50.639
But, but, and I think you said this when we were doing Real McCoy, They, it had to, they had to tick the monster box in a way.

626
00:37:50.699 --> 00:37:53.340
And probably went a little too far.

627
00:37:53.400 --> 00:38:05.039
I mean, that's something that we could probably have done without, but, you know, we get the fact is that they are involved in the resolution of the story as well.

628
00:38:05.099 --> 00:38:13.679
Um, and I guess, you know, being an evil colonialist is just another thing that we can say makes Helena terrible.

629
00:38:15.300 --> 00:38:19.679
Maybe she's connected to Power of Kroll in some way.

630
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:25.679
Is there an element of sort of tamping down the working classes as well?

631
00:38:26.099 --> 00:38:28.019
Yeah, I think so.

632
00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:35.579
So the depression, the depression is, you know, the depression is workers, isn't it?

633
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:37.860
The, the, the, could the pipe tests?

634
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:44.940
Yeah, it sounds like a weather condition, but it's actually describing an emotional condition.

635
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:46.320
Well, no, a political decision.

636
00:38:46.380 --> 00:38:47.760
But it is a political thing.

637
00:38:47.820 --> 00:38:55.199
Like, again, she is characterising dissent as... yeah as unhappiness.

638
00:38:55.260 --> 00:38:56.460
And you get it all the time.

639
00:38:56.519 --> 00:38:58.320
Like tone policing is a thing as well.

640
00:38:58.380 --> 00:39:07.079
We've, you know, in this situation recently where people have been saying that they object to being disagreed with on social media by people who are angry at them.

641
00:39:07.739 --> 00:39:27.179
Yeah, yeah, yeah. all of this sort of stuff And the idea that political debate has to be done from sort of this sort of Olympian kind of, you know, in this sort of calm, detached sort of way, requiring people who are being oppressed to be calm and nice when they engage with you.

642
00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:30.780
You know, that behaviour, their existence.

643
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:31.440
That's it.

644
00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:32.340
That's right.

645
00:39:32.460 --> 00:39:51.000
And so that idea, and it's not, it's not, um, you know, invented by Graham Curry, there's a, there's a hilarious faulty, uh, faulty Towers, a Monty Python sketch, um, called Happy Valley, where everyone who's miserable is put to death, along with the trade union leaders.

646
00:39:51.539 --> 00:39:57.840
You know, this is just about my favourite Fifi moment coming up.

647
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:04.079
Just at the very end of the scene, I just think is so, so superb.

648
00:40:04.860 --> 00:40:07.739
Look at Fee Fee.

649
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:12.239
And then Fifi's Fifi's about to do a snarl, which I just think is absolutely superb.

650
00:40:12.300 --> 00:40:13.019
Here we go.

651
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:15.420
You know the waiting zones.

652
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:18.840
There it is Look at that, look at the teeth.

653
00:40:18.900 --> 00:40:19.619
Look at the teeth.

654
00:40:20.039 --> 00:40:22.440
He looks like he's about to fart.

655
00:40:22.500 --> 00:40:26.219
You know, the waiting zones were actually a limitation of the plot.

656
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:28.679
There was originally supposed to be a prison.

657
00:40:28.739 --> 00:40:29.400
A prison set.

658
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:31.199
And they couldn't. afford it.

659
00:40:31.260 --> 00:40:37.440
So they decided, well, well, we'll make that actually a feature of the plot.

660
00:40:37.500 --> 00:40:38.460
I mean, that's fantastic.

661
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:41.639
Can you imagine Eric Saywood coming up with anything half as clever as that?

662
00:40:41.699 --> 00:40:42.719
Yeah, yeah.

663
00:40:42.780 --> 00:40:46.739
Yeah, like turning the limitations of your budget into a positive thing.

664
00:40:46.860 --> 00:40:54.239
Well, and getting them to, it's thematically about their refusal to accept that they're an impressive regime.

665
00:40:54.300 --> 00:40:55.559
We don't have prisons.

666
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:58.019
Everyone's happy on terra alpha.

667
00:40:58.079 --> 00:40:59.760
There's no prisons there, praising.

668
00:40:59.820 --> 00:41:00.480
Look at man pain.

669
00:41:00.539 --> 00:41:10.019
It's one of those serendipity moments where everything's firing, again, in the show and so you get these moments where they take a negative and they turn it into something that just adds to it.

670
00:41:10.500 --> 00:41:11.940
Yeah.

671
00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:16.260
The shot there of the 2 snipers who were just introduced.

672
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:24.900
It shows how much they were able to get out of these sets and that the studio is extremely small and the sets are just reused constantly and shot from different angles.

673
00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:26.579
So that redressed.

674
00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:32.460
Yeah, that balcony where the snipers are standing is actually part of the execution chamber.

675
00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:33.960
They've just turned down the lights on it.

676
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:36.960
It hung up black drape underneath.

677
00:41:37.500 --> 00:41:46.679
Now, some of the scenes that get cut out in episodes 2 and 3 are all about how much Helena loves Fifi, and obviously that's super important to the resolution of the story.

678
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:58.260
Here, the scene where she's leafing through a photo album of lovely pictures of her with Phoebe when everyone comes in publicity shots from the...

679
00:41:58.260 --> 00:42:03.420
It's that thing that they used to do in series all the time in the 70s, but when you'd have sort of a photo of someone.

680
00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:05.760
In fact, it's like Aunt Vanessa, Tegan's Aunt Vanessa.

681
00:42:05.820 --> 00:42:06.960
It's not a happy snap.

682
00:42:07.019 --> 00:42:08.280
It's her spotlight, obviously.

683
00:42:09.539 --> 00:42:23.159
But those photos, again, the artificiality of them, the fact that they look like publicity shots, you know, they're not, they're not spontaneous pictures or anything, but she does love Fifi and that's super, super important.

684
00:42:23.219 --> 00:42:27.780
She's, you know, she doesn't love Joseph C. you know there's no sign of that.

685
00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:28.739
He's gay.

686
00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:31.500
I love this interview between the doctor and her.

687
00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:32.280
Me too.

688
00:42:32.340 --> 00:42:34.079
It's got one of my favourite lines in the whole story.

689
00:42:34.139 --> 00:42:35.639
No more cues at the post office.

690
00:42:35.699 --> 00:42:36.300
Yes.

691
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:37.320
Yes.

692
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:40.679
Trevor Sigma is just brilliant.

693
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:45.059
I think John Warmington is so different from...

694
00:42:45.059 --> 00:42:45.659
Morgas.

695
00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:48.840
Recognisable instantly to a Doctor Who fan.

696
00:42:48.900 --> 00:42:51.119
But he's just brilliant.

697
00:42:51.420 --> 00:42:54.179
She didn't ask him to change his coat, though.

698
00:42:54.719 --> 00:43:11.579
John Normington said that even though it was a very happy production, there was a sense that the entire team was exhausted by everything that had happened during the year with Greatest Show having to go on to location and then having no time to make silver nemesis, he said, they just got to this and you could tell that the cast and crew were exhausted.

699
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:13.260
There you go.

700
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:16.500
This is where we've gone over 500,000 disappearances.

701
00:43:16.739 --> 00:43:19.440
That weariness probably adds to it, though.

702
00:43:19.500 --> 00:43:20.400
Oh, that's true.

703
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:35.460
So basically she'd controlled the population down by one-tenth of the happiness patrol's average rating. 17% of the people have been killed.

704
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:45.659
Like this is the other thing too, the scale, like the fact that she has ordered half a 1000000 deaths puts her, you know, in the same kind of realm as the Daleks.

705
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:47.519
I mean, you know, like it's it's crazy.

706
00:43:47.579 --> 00:43:57.960
I love the way he just takes the, um, all those things with him to go to the candy kitchen or the, the, the, like the, um, the, the farm extinguisher.

707
00:43:58.019 --> 00:43:58.260
Sorry.

708
00:43:58.260 --> 00:44:06.179
It's, you know, the way that he kind of tricks John Normington's character into just he's not allowed to ask him.

709
00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:07.739
No one's allowed to ask him any questions.

710
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:08.940
Was that a question?

711
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:11.159
No, okay, then I'll say it.

712
00:44:11.219 --> 00:44:16.079
Like, somehow he's just gained control of the situation just by kind of bluster and stuff.

713
00:44:16.139 --> 00:44:18.539
It's clever is what it is.

714
00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:22.619
And Doctor Who hadn't actually been clever for a little while and suddenly it is again.

715
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:24.119
They still lives.

716
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:33.659
The early archetype of the Matt Smith, doctor, you know, that sort of angel that falls from the heavens destroys your world and then disappears.

717
00:44:33.780 --> 00:44:34.679
Yeah.

718
00:44:34.739 --> 00:44:37.199
He falls out of the sky and tears down your world.

719
00:44:37.260 --> 00:44:37.739
Yeah.

720
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:39.840
I mean, we've had it before.

721
00:44:39.900 --> 00:44:43.980
I think the savages is the er text for this, isn't it?

722
00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:48.960
The savages is the 1st time the doctor just comes in and smashes an oppressive society and then leaves.

723
00:44:49.019 --> 00:44:50.699
But remember, they were painted gold.

724
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:52.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry.

725
00:44:52.260 --> 00:44:58.500
But I guess the other one is the one that's most similar is Sunmakers, isn't it?

726
00:44:58.559 --> 00:44:58.860
Yeah.

727
00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:02.760
And it's one night, which it is in the Sunmakers as well.

728
00:45:02.820 --> 00:45:07.739
But he just comes here for a night and tears down a brutal oppressive political ratio.

729
00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:17.280
Originally, it was supposed to take place over 2 or 3 weeks. in the original script and because of the limitations of the of the budget, They decided to cut it down to one night.

730
00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:19.440
But one night is so effective.

731
00:45:19.500 --> 00:45:24.599
It works easily, but you still do have echos of that, such as where Thifi gets injured in the pipes.

732
00:45:24.659 --> 00:45:29.699
And then you have Helena taking off the wrappings later and going, oh, you're better now after what, an hour?

733
00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:31.800
Well, he's an Alsarian dog.

734
00:45:31.860 --> 00:45:37.679
I just said they were super effective bandages that super healed, that creature.

735
00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:40.019
Yeah, those times from inside the spaceship.

736
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:40.559
Yes.

737
00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:42.900
I borrowed them from Hartnell.

738
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:46.019
It's super cartoonish is the effect of it, isn't it?

739
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:50.820
Like you put the bandages on, like there's, it's funny that that, oh, here we go.

740
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:55.320
Now, this scene is wonderful, and the performances of these 2 in very small parts are great.

741
00:45:55.380 --> 00:46:03.420
In fact, the other guy gets most of his lines, you know, there is another deleted scene with these guys earlier on.

742
00:46:03.900 --> 00:46:12.539
And clearly the guy who isn't pointing the gun at the doctor is already dissatisfied with the political regime.

743
00:46:12.780 --> 00:46:16.860
Like, and you know, isn't as obsessed with guns as this guy.

744
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:26.280
I can't imagine a scene like this, which is um, just a superb character scene, cropping up um, earlier in the 80s.

745
00:46:26.340 --> 00:46:27.420
No, no.

746
00:46:27.420 --> 00:46:29.880
They just weren't writing to this sort of standard.

747
00:46:30.780 --> 00:46:32.760
It's so good.

748
00:46:32.820 --> 00:46:45.480
Oh, also, because the scriptor did a thought that looking people in the eye and pulling a trigger was a right thing to do and that Pete should really have just blown Davros' head off and not doing that was a moral failing.

749
00:46:45.539 --> 00:46:52.320
I don't understand these people who say that McCoy can't do anger in... sometimes he can't.

750
00:46:52.380 --> 00:46:54.599
No, well, he can't he can't do shouty.

751
00:46:54.719 --> 00:47:00.659
Yeah, I think. and that really is really reductive.

752
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:04.860
Like, I think he's actually great at doing quiet anger.

753
00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:14.219
Well, that one in episode one where Ace, you know, where he's grabbing Ace and trying to calm her down and assuring her that, yes, we will be making that.

754
00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:16.019
It's the shouting that doesn't really well.

755
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:20.940
And that I think people just paint his entire era with that brush.

756
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:28.320
Look, I don't think Sylvester McCoy is a very subtle actor and certainly he's not as good as some of his predecessors.

757
00:47:28.380 --> 00:47:34.739
Look, I'll say like in that sequence, he skates a very fine line between not pulling it off and pulling it off.

758
00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:35.340
I agree.

759
00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:38.039
And so sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

760
00:47:38.099 --> 00:47:41.340
There's some faces that work, sometimes not.

761
00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:41.940
So, yeah.

762
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:44.820
I do think, though, he's an interesting performer.

763
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:46.679
You know, in the way that, say, Tom is.

764
00:47:46.739 --> 00:47:48.659
Like he's he's interesting to watch.

765
00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:49.679
He's not as big as Tom.

766
00:47:49.739 --> 00:47:50.340
No one is.

767
00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:52.860
But, well, maybe Colin is.

768
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:58.380
But, um, he, you know, he's, he's just interesting to watch.

769
00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:01.860
And his take on the doctor is so good.

770
00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:05.340
That's what Tom always said that the part was actor proof.

771
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:07.019
And I think Sylvester proves it.

772
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:16.199
I'm not getting to him because I think he's, you know, very good in places, but it proves that if you're an idiosyncratic actor, you can make the part your own, you don't have to be a brilliant actor to do it.

773
00:48:16.260 --> 00:48:22.920
I think they're also, we forget this is quite early in Sylvester's acting career.

774
00:48:22.980 --> 00:48:24.780
He done light entertainment.

775
00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:33.960
He'd done a lot of, you know, stage comedy, but this is actually, in a lot of ways, his big break.

776
00:48:34.019 --> 00:48:36.539
He's become a better actor since this.

777
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:42.780
This scene, which is going on now, I think, is superbly well directed, you can follow exactly what's going on.

778
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:44.280
All the shots mean something.

779
00:48:44.340 --> 00:48:46.559
The music really builds to a crescendo.

780
00:48:46.619 --> 00:48:52.920
I think this is an example of what I was saying earlier, where I think Chris Clough gets out of the way sometimes and lets it happen.

781
00:48:52.980 --> 00:48:57.000
That could have been shot in a more stylised way, but I think it works brilliantly the way it is.

782
00:48:57.659 --> 00:49:02.880
I do think it does, however, look like that, so Fildred is just waiting to come down that.

783
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:04.679
Yeah, yeah, that's slide.

784
00:49:04.739 --> 00:49:06.960
That's the one criticism, that's like one foot long.

785
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:09.599
Rules of the system.

786
00:49:09.659 --> 00:49:11.699
I love his yellow tie. have that, thanks.

787
00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:12.239
Yeah.

788
00:49:12.300 --> 00:49:14.219
The whole outfit is brilliant.

789
00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:20.699
Just the fact that he looks like a sort of mid-20th century man who works in the civil service.

790
00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:25.019
He looks like a timelord should show up to tell off John Pertway.

791
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:26.519
I'm a candyman of my word.

792
00:49:26.639 --> 00:49:28.199
I think that's brilliant.

793
00:49:28.260 --> 00:49:32.460
And you see, that's what's great about the Candyman, is that he actually is a Candyman of his work.

794
00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:33.300
Yes, yeah, yeah.

795
00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:36.119
And then it's like, well, you know, here we go again.

796
00:49:38.219 --> 00:49:43.139
Do you think we knew that he was going to do that when he stole the lemonade or...?

797
00:49:43.139 --> 00:49:47.099
I've never noticed that the thinking of the background is a giant KitchenAid.

798
00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:48.780
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

799
00:49:48.840 --> 00:49:49.440
Yeah, yeah.

800
00:49:49.619 --> 00:49:51.599
We have one at home.

801
00:49:51.900 --> 00:49:53.639
What colour?

802
00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:55.679
sort of yellow.

803
00:49:55.739 --> 00:50:02.219
I always adore these scenes where the companion and the villain get their own confrontations.

804
00:50:02.219 --> 00:50:03.599
It's brilliant.

805
00:50:03.659 --> 00:50:05.460
Sarah used to get them all the time.

806
00:50:06.539 --> 00:50:15.300
I love this too. again, there's an extended scene. where some just random Terra Alphans walk past and Sylvester plays the spoons on them.

807
00:50:16.380 --> 00:50:18.960
That was definitely kind. cut for a reason.

808
00:50:19.019 --> 00:50:21.059
It's actually quite fun.

809
00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:22.260
I think, oh.

810
00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:30.239
Now this is my favourite cliffhanger of the 1980s and one of my favourite cliffhangers of the entire classic series and it's an accident.

811
00:50:30.300 --> 00:50:33.780
Yeah, it wasn't going to be the original Cliffhanger.

812
00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:34.199
Really?

813
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:37.199
And it's much better than what the original Cliffhanger was.

814
00:50:37.260 --> 00:50:38.579
And I tell you what I like.

815
00:50:38.699 --> 00:50:43.079
You've got this guy who is the, like, the ticket seller who is incredibly good.

816
00:50:43.139 --> 00:50:44.159
Phenomenal.

817
00:50:44.219 --> 00:50:48.119
And did we talk earlier about the fact that he has a missing scene where he's equally good?

818
00:50:48.179 --> 00:50:50.039
Yeah, his introduction scene is cut.

819
00:50:50.099 --> 00:50:51.480
It's this music.

820
00:50:51.480 --> 00:51:01.260
And the music, it is the music and that line, I don't think Daphne S went down to, it doesn't look like Daphne S went down too well now, does it?

821
00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:03.780
Sorry, but it's just...

822
00:51:03.780 --> 00:51:04.860
Brilliant.

823
00:51:04.920 --> 00:51:10.440
Because she's dead and they're painting RIP in pink paint on her, on her poster.

824
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:13.139
And it's also the final shot as well.

825
00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:17.099
This, I mean, for God's sake, because look at Paul Daphne S. bless her.

826
00:51:17.340 --> 00:51:22.860
And the camera work looks like an engine on Sylvester and version of Fatty Toxic.

827
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:24.360
She's in the background there.

828
00:51:24.420 --> 00:51:27.000
She's trapped because she's just a photograph.

829
00:51:27.059 --> 00:51:29.219
There's, you know, it's so good.

830
00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:30.480
It's so beautifully done.

831
00:51:30.539 --> 00:51:33.539
That happiness before I remember, she's the go to one.

832
00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:41.760
She's the best of the rest and she's often in a lot of shots because she's just a little bit more in your face than the rest of it. quite animated, isn't it?

833
00:51:42.239 --> 00:51:44.219
That line as well.

834
00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:46.679
I mean, we still use that line.

835
00:51:46.739 --> 00:51:49.019
I can't do anything without my list now, can I?

836
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:55.019
Yeah, he's such an angry jobsworth, isn't he?

837
00:51:56.760 --> 00:52:11.159
I think Cornell Day and topping point him out, perhaps, in the discontinuity guide, as a particularly grumpy Terra Alf, and, but, you know, makes the point that that is really the point of the story.

838
00:52:11.219 --> 00:52:12.480
Correct.

839
00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:15.480
Thank you, Don Babbage.

840
00:52:15.539 --> 00:52:17.400
What a great job you did on this story.

841
00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:20.099
Don did a lot of stories, didn't he?

842
00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:21.780
He did. did a lot of the 80s, I think.

843
00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:25.679
Yeah, yeah. his name comes up all the time And John Asbridge, who's just amazing.

844
00:52:26.820 --> 00:52:28.440
Excuse me.

845
00:52:28.500 --> 00:52:30.780
Did he design anything else or was this his only one?

846
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:35.340
I think he did Silver Nemesis and Delter and Dragonfire.

847
00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:36.719
I think he worked with Chris Cloth a lot.

848
00:52:36.780 --> 00:52:37.199
Right.

849
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:38.219
And he may have done others.

850
00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:44.820
Like the production crew on this are some of the better production crew from the classic series.

851
00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:46.800
I mean, you've got Dork and Radzik.

852
00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:48.179
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

853
00:52:48.239 --> 00:52:51.719
Um, and Richard Croft.

854
00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:54.480
Like he did like Morden, didn't he?

855
00:52:54.539 --> 00:52:57.360
Oh, are the costume designer?

856
00:52:57.420 --> 00:52:58.500
Yeah, yeah.

857
00:52:58.559 --> 00:53:01.619
Oh, and Sylvan Nemesis, and Dulchant Dragon.

858
00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:02.460
No, so there you go.

859
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:04.559
He got it. group of people that he works for.

860
00:53:04.619 --> 00:53:08.760
You see, I think Delta is up there with Chris's best work, Chris Clough.

861
00:53:08.820 --> 00:53:14.460
I think this and Delta and the Bannerman have a cohesive feel to them where it all comes together.

862
00:53:14.460 --> 00:53:28.619
And in fact, this story, for many years after its original broadcast was not very popular and was compared with the Paradise Towers as being something where it had just kind of careened off the rails and was something weird and oddball story.

863
00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:35.940
Yeah, whereas this is actually completely different from Paradise Towers in that Paradise Towers suffers from, I think, a lack of directorial vision.

864
00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:39.000
So you've got performances all over the place on the different page.

865
00:53:39.059 --> 00:53:42.059
You've got a production, which is sometimes working against the script.

866
00:53:42.119 --> 00:53:45.960
Why this works is that everything is on the same page and everything's pulling together.

867
00:53:46.019 --> 00:53:46.619
Yeah.

868
00:53:46.619 --> 00:53:49.320
So Sylla B didn't go down very well.

869
00:53:52.380 --> 00:53:54.360
Oh here she comes.

870
00:53:55.380 --> 00:54:01.619
Yeah, so this is the original Cliffhanger, and you can see the close-up Cliffhanger shot.

871
00:54:01.679 --> 00:54:02.519
And it's stupid.

872
00:54:02.579 --> 00:54:03.179
It's boring.

873
00:54:03.239 --> 00:54:03.900
It's showtime.

874
00:54:03.960 --> 00:54:05.639
I just don't think that's anywhere near.

875
00:54:05.699 --> 00:54:06.780
Whoever made that decision.

876
00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:07.920
Great decision.

877
00:54:07.980 --> 00:54:08.460
I agree.

878
00:54:08.699 --> 00:54:11.579
Oh, look, and it's the magic...

879
00:54:11.579 --> 00:54:12.659
Magic healing tape.

880
00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:14.519
Where are the red stripes?

881
00:54:14.579 --> 00:54:17.579
Well, they've they've Disappeared.

882
00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:18.480
Yeah, he's almost healed.

883
00:54:18.539 --> 00:54:19.320
Yeah, that's exactly it.

884
00:54:19.380 --> 00:54:23.219
Why does Helena have commas and or apostrophes all over her wallpaper?

885
00:54:23.340 --> 00:54:24.480
No, very strange.

886
00:54:24.539 --> 00:54:32.039
And she's watching a scene from episode 2 of the same story.

887
00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:34.559
How post-modern.

888
00:54:35.460 --> 00:54:39.000
But I mean, this is very Orwellian in a way, isn't it?

889
00:54:39.059 --> 00:54:40.920
I mean, she is she's big brother.

890
00:54:40.980 --> 00:54:42.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

891
00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:42.780
Watching everything.

892
00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:44.039
It's basically 1984.

893
00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:46.260
This guy's amazing.

894
00:54:46.380 --> 00:54:53.519
He may actually be one of the very best guest actors in a small role ever in Doctor Who.

895
00:54:53.579 --> 00:54:55.920
I agree with you, Peter 125%.

896
00:54:55.980 --> 00:55:03.420
So there's a scene in part 2 where the doctor's escaping from Helena's palace and he 1st meets him for the 1st time.

897
00:55:03.480 --> 00:55:06.000
This is the bit that Alfie thought was particularly convincing.

898
00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:09.719
And he's not a smart dog.

899
00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:15.179
And the doctor's hiding behind a column or something like that.

900
00:55:15.179 --> 00:55:20.340
And that guy gets to say, hey, or you need a permit to hide there, which is so great.

901
00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:26.340
And look, she's acting her socks off in front of this stupid puppet.

902
00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:27.539
It's incredibly great.

903
00:55:28.139 --> 00:55:30.059
Could you imagine doing that?

904
00:55:30.659 --> 00:55:33.179
She's so good.

905
00:55:33.239 --> 00:55:35.280
She absolutely sells it.

906
00:55:35.340 --> 00:55:41.699
And the thing is, she looks a bit ridiculous with, you know, the bright red wig and everything.

907
00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:44.760
She totally sells it Yeah, absolutely sells it.

908
00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:47.639
That's also the face paint.

909
00:55:47.699 --> 00:55:48.239
Yeah.

910
00:55:48.300 --> 00:55:48.840
Yeah, yeah.

911
00:55:48.900 --> 00:55:50.400
It's so strange.

912
00:55:50.460 --> 00:55:51.360
They're great.

913
00:55:51.780 --> 00:55:54.599
I think what was it that Chris said?

914
00:55:54.659 --> 00:56:08.159
They were going for kind of a Venetian kind of end of days era, you know, sort of a crumbling empire, and that came all the way down to kind of, you know, the makeup was cracking on people's faces and things like that.

915
00:56:08.219 --> 00:56:15.480
Well, just the way that there's, you know, the paint, you know, even in this shot, the background, you can see that like the paint is peeling.

916
00:56:15.539 --> 00:56:18.300
It's not really peeling, but it's painted to kind of look rough.

917
00:56:18.360 --> 00:56:26.820
I also think some of the sort of weird things where architectural features are painted on, you know, which is a...

918
00:56:26.820 --> 00:56:27.480
Yeah, yeah.

919
00:56:27.539 --> 00:56:48.840
But I, you know, what occurred to me when I was sort of revisiting this story is, This story is incredibly prescient, especially given what's been happening in China in the last sort of 5 years with the, you know, social rankings, like, you know, like the letter denotes how high up in society you are.

920
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:52.139
It's like it's quite prescient.

921
00:56:52.619 --> 00:56:59.340
So, I think this is us selling Priscilla P as a fanatic, you know, that she's, yeah.

922
00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:01.019
It's interesting having those 2 on that.

923
00:57:01.079 --> 00:57:02.219
Go-kart.

924
00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:05.820
I didn't really pick that up very much until the last time I watched it.

925
00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:06.780
Yeah, why is he even there?

926
00:57:06.900 --> 00:57:12.239
He has a brilliantly funny scene where when the doctor finally sort of confronts them.

927
00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:14.699
I love this so much.

928
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:21.420
Apparently, they put this in because someone heard Sylvester singing in the bar one night and they thought, that's a good idea. lets incorporate that.

929
00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:24.840
And having him sing as time goes by as well.

930
00:57:24.900 --> 00:57:26.159
You know, is perfect.

931
00:57:26.219 --> 00:57:27.059
He does.

932
00:57:27.059 --> 00:57:27.840
Yeah.

933
00:57:27.900 --> 00:57:29.880
Better than the Jason Donovan version, isn't it?

934
00:57:31.139 --> 00:57:33.599
Yes, Peter, I totally agree.

935
00:57:34.260 --> 00:57:36.480
That can be said about many.

936
00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:40.260
Jason Donovan's wonderful vocal. contributions to society.

937
00:57:40.260 --> 00:57:45.900
In the long-running sitcom featuring Jeffrey Palmer and Judy...

938
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:46.619
Yes, of course.

939
00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:49.619
Oh, dear.

940
00:57:49.679 --> 00:57:51.900
And again, the music at this point is so good.

941
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:52.920
So good.

942
00:57:55.980 --> 00:57:57.539
It's funny.

943
00:57:57.599 --> 00:58:04.139
He actually doesn't have very much dialogue, does he, Joseph C, but he does everything with his expressions. so good.

944
00:58:04.199 --> 00:58:07.079
Weren't those, weren't the pipe people actually pay by children?

945
00:58:07.139 --> 00:58:08.699
That's what I'd heard as well.

946
00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:09.360
Yeah.

947
00:58:09.420 --> 00:58:11.219
Or teenagers.

948
00:58:11.219 --> 00:58:12.000
Like quarks.

949
00:58:15.059 --> 00:58:16.800
They're both as intelligible as each other.

950
00:58:16.860 --> 00:58:19.199
Oh, look at the nimbus of the Happiness Patrol.

951
00:58:19.260 --> 00:58:20.639
The one on the left is fantastic.

952
00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:26.760
This is terribly silly.

953
00:58:27.960 --> 00:58:30.780
It works in the warped logic of the story.

954
00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:31.619
Of course.

955
00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:33.659
Of course.

956
00:58:33.719 --> 00:58:43.800
And in fact, you know, what we've been saying all along is that everyone on Terra Alpha is miserable and so the happiness patrols start fighting each other because, of course, they're all sort of horribly dissatisfied.

957
00:58:43.980 --> 00:58:47.519
Look at the one in the middle, up the back there, pouting away.

958
00:58:47.579 --> 00:58:51.300
No, the one on the left has got these pursed lips.

959
00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:52.920
She looks superb.

960
00:58:52.980 --> 00:58:53.940
This.

961
00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:57.719
It's Gilbert M comes in with a line helping the doctor.

962
00:58:57.780 --> 00:58:59.460
Like, he gets super excited.

963
00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:07.019
And it's just terrifically funny. here we go They're all just waiting for an excuse to revolt, basically.

964
00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:10.679
Side town back in the middle of that shot or is it a different person?

965
00:59:12.059 --> 00:59:13.920
On the stairs.

966
00:59:13.980 --> 00:59:15.119
Oh I don't know.

967
00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:19.199
No, it's I like to think it's Prentice Hancock.

968
00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:21.659
Grandpa Prince is that.

969
00:59:23.099 --> 00:59:25.739
Should we talk about section 28.

970
00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:27.719
What about this Veltschmert?

971
00:59:27.780 --> 00:59:30.360
This where he supplies the word Velchmet?

972
00:59:30.539 --> 00:59:33.960
And he's so excited to help the doctor.

973
00:59:34.019 --> 00:59:39.659
Yeah, well, so section 28, I think we did talk about it at great length in our, you know, actual episode.

974
00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:42.659
An actual episode.

975
00:59:42.719 --> 00:59:44.699
Well, no, no, no, like our actual episode.

976
00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:45.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

977
00:59:45.300 --> 00:59:47.039
Otherwise known as Maggie getting the claws out.

978
00:59:47.099 --> 00:59:48.300
Yeah, yeah.

979
00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:57.420
So it's, you know, the idea that no counts or money can be spent on LGBT on the promotion of homosexuality.

980
00:59:57.480 --> 00:59:57.960
That's right.

981
00:59:58.019 --> 01:00:04.679
And so, and it's all happening at this sort of really difficult time for the gay community.

982
01:00:05.460 --> 01:00:08.639
A brutally nasty piece of legislation.

983
01:00:08.880 --> 01:00:13.619
And, you know, clearly, this is about that as well.

984
01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:18.659
I just love how they're going for a walk this evening just around this table where everybody gets executed.

985
01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:22.380
That's probably Helena's back garden.

986
01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:23.940
That's right.

987
01:00:24.539 --> 01:00:28.079
Take them she takes them out the back and kills them.

988
01:00:28.139 --> 01:00:30.780
Do you think, do you think that that's from Tracan?

989
01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:33.539
I kept kind of, you know...

990
01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:37.199
It's probably from cold it.

991
01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:40.199
Yeah, so just had it in the proper arm.

992
01:00:40.199 --> 01:00:42.659
The story just repainted it a different sort of shade of metal.

993
01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:46.019
It'll turn up in EastEnders in 1998.

994
01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:46.800
Of course.

995
01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:50.940
I also love the chandeliers.

996
01:00:51.059 --> 01:00:55.559
But all over the set, for some reason, outdoors.

997
01:00:55.619 --> 01:00:58.440
I think these sets are beautiful. absolutely beautiful.

998
01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:06.900
It's got that brilliant thing in multi-camera studios where whenever you have to go down somewhere.

999
01:01:06.960 --> 01:01:12.659
You have to build up sort of the place where you go in off the ground so that people have room to go down.

1000
01:01:13.139 --> 01:01:17.820
It's like, why is this sewer vent raised?

1001
01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:19.920
I love this story so much.

1002
01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:25.139
So much that like my 1st fanzine was called the Happiness Patrol.

1003
01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:25.800
Yeah, yeah.

1004
01:01:25.860 --> 01:01:31.199
Well, I remember editing, didn't I edit Forum Square in...

1005
01:01:31.260 --> 01:01:32.099
Yeah, yeah, for some time.

1006
01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:37.019
And whenever it was a double feature, it was the forum rectangle.

1007
01:01:44.699 --> 01:01:47.400
I could watch these 3 all day long.

1008
01:01:47.460 --> 01:01:48.239
Oh, yeah.

1009
01:01:48.300 --> 01:01:49.619
And even this line.

1010
01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:51.059
You're in the waiting zone, wait.

1011
01:01:52.619 --> 01:01:54.599
Poor Priscilla.

1012
01:01:55.440 --> 01:01:57.599
Strictly speaking.

1013
01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:04.980
We actually don't get to see Priscilla captured, but we do in the extended version.

1014
01:02:05.039 --> 01:02:05.519
Yes.

1015
01:02:05.519 --> 01:02:09.420
But, um, I love that shot.

1016
01:02:09.480 --> 01:02:10.199
We'll get to it.

1017
01:02:10.260 --> 01:02:12.900
But again, one of these incredible noir-ish shots.

1018
01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:19.920
That line I haven't I haven't met one of those since Birmingham, the 25th century.

1019
01:02:19.980 --> 01:02:20.880
That's right.

1020
01:02:20.940 --> 01:02:22.260
Not the planet Zog.

1021
01:02:23.219 --> 01:02:25.500
I want to see that adventure.

1022
01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:26.460
Where's Big Finish?

1023
01:02:26.820 --> 01:02:30.599
Birmingham in the 25th century and meets an annoyed rat.

1024
01:02:30.719 --> 01:02:33.659
You'd remember that too, because there's nothing else in Burnham.

1025
01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:38.039
Some ring roads.

1026
01:02:38.099 --> 01:02:40.260
And a very nice train station.

1027
01:02:40.739 --> 01:02:45.960
Like, the rebuilt new street train station is quite attractive.

1028
01:02:46.019 --> 01:02:47.880
But that's the only thing.

1029
01:02:48.420 --> 01:02:53.219
So this, I mean, this is it being a theatre piece, isn't it?

1030
01:02:53.280 --> 01:03:02.579
Where the collapse of the political system, as, you know, things fall to the rebels, is all just done in dialogue. 1000s of them out there.

1031
01:03:02.639 --> 01:03:03.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1032
01:03:03.360 --> 01:03:04.619
I built over a thousand.

1033
01:03:04.860 --> 01:03:06.780
They're revolting.

1034
01:03:06.840 --> 01:03:12.300
But I think it's more effective that you're just getting the updates between the 2 of them and what's going on rather than actually seeing it.

1035
01:03:12.360 --> 01:03:13.199
Yeah, yeah.

1036
01:03:13.260 --> 01:03:19.380
I think so too. you know, like it would only have been kind of slightly terrible, I think, if we had seen it.

1037
01:03:19.500 --> 01:03:20.880
In 1988.

1038
01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:23.159
Yeah, so you could do it now, but yeah.

1039
01:03:23.460 --> 01:03:31.260
But I also think too, the important thing is her reaction to it, like her inability to realise that something has gone horribly wrong.

1040
01:03:31.320 --> 01:03:37.380
Reminds me a bit of, I think, Power of the Daleks and their sort of society.

1041
01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:38.219
Yeah.

1042
01:03:38.219 --> 01:03:41.699
Like, and the sort of the what's going on.

1043
01:03:41.760 --> 01:03:42.780
Yeah.

1044
01:03:42.840 --> 01:03:47.699
Yeah, I don't know, just has a bit of shades of that. everyone having their own agendas and...

1045
01:03:47.699 --> 01:03:48.119
Yeah, yeah.

1046
01:03:48.239 --> 01:03:54.840
But then, like the Daleks go through the colony and murder everyone and we just, we see it.

1047
01:03:54.900 --> 01:03:56.280
We see a scene of it, I think.

1048
01:03:56.340 --> 01:04:02.760
But there's different factions going on and different things happening and the guards are, you know, there's a revolution going on and all that sort of stuff.

1049
01:04:02.820 --> 01:04:05.340
It just reminds me a bit of that at times.

1050
01:04:05.400 --> 01:04:07.619
Oh, doesn't the dog die.com?

1051
01:04:07.679 --> 01:04:09.480
Oh.

1052
01:04:09.480 --> 01:04:10.739
Oh, poor Fifi.

1053
01:04:10.860 --> 01:04:16.739
So if you had not seen this story and went to that website, you'd never have watched this story.

1054
01:04:16.800 --> 01:04:17.579
Probably not.

1055
01:04:17.639 --> 01:04:19.800
I still won't watch Mark of the Rani.

1056
01:04:20.280 --> 01:04:21.960
That's not true.

1057
01:04:22.019 --> 01:04:23.579
But the dog dies.

1058
01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:24.659
Is that the reason?

1059
01:04:24.659 --> 01:04:26.099
The master kills a dog.

1060
01:04:26.159 --> 01:04:28.320
Thank you, Eric, say what.

1061
01:04:28.679 --> 01:04:30.780
Ways to die.

1062
01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:34.019
I think being buried under crystalised sugar is not one of the worst.

1063
01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:34.980
Delicious.

1064
01:04:35.039 --> 01:04:35.579
My favourite.

1065
01:04:35.699 --> 01:04:38.940
If you didn't die, you'd probably die of diabetes.

1066
01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:46.139
This, like I think these 2 together are really wonderful.

1067
01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:52.559
There's a, again, there's a deleted scene between the 2 of them, which I think is particularly brilliant one for some...

1068
01:04:52.559 --> 01:04:54.239
It's like Gorbian Chase.

1069
01:04:54.539 --> 01:04:56.340
You know what I'm saying?

1070
01:04:56.400 --> 01:04:57.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah. absolutely.

1071
01:04:59.219 --> 01:05:01.980
But seeing it on the telly.

1072
01:05:02.039 --> 01:05:10.440
Like we do actually see, you know, we do see Susie Q grab the gun and and, you know, capture her in a deleted scene.

1073
01:05:10.500 --> 01:05:12.659
But that with the music and stuff.

1074
01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:14.400
It's so noir-ish, it's so good.

1075
01:05:14.460 --> 01:05:16.619
Get me the candy.

1076
01:05:16.679 --> 01:05:19.079
And this, you know, you're not unhappy about something.

1077
01:05:19.139 --> 01:05:24.059
Any admission that the government is not working is forbidden and...

1078
01:05:24.539 --> 01:05:26.039
Hello?

1079
01:05:26.099 --> 01:05:27.300
Where's his ear?

1080
01:05:27.599 --> 01:05:29.340
It's wonderful.

1081
01:05:29.400 --> 01:05:31.500
He's got one of those old star telephones.

1082
01:05:31.559 --> 01:05:33.599
And when he answers, Candyman.

1083
01:05:33.659 --> 01:05:34.440
It so good.

1084
01:05:37.500 --> 01:05:44.400
Ah, dear, I love this scene. to them together.

1085
01:05:44.460 --> 01:05:45.900
Just so terrific.

1086
01:05:45.960 --> 01:05:48.960
The Candyman stands like Donald Trump.

1087
01:05:49.019 --> 01:05:51.300
You know how Donald Trump has that lean?

1088
01:05:51.360 --> 01:05:52.139
when he stands.

1089
01:05:52.199 --> 01:05:54.179
The candy man has the same lean in reverse.

1090
01:05:54.239 --> 01:05:56.099
He messed up the same scene.

1091
01:05:56.159 --> 01:05:58.739
Maybe Donald Trump is the candy man in a skin suit.

1092
01:05:58.800 --> 01:06:00.239
No, candy mats.

1093
01:06:01.920 --> 01:06:04.079
Only his lower half.

1094
01:06:06.599 --> 01:06:11.519
I would live for Mike Pence to turn around to Donald Trump and say, oh, hey, pimplehead.

1095
01:06:13.440 --> 01:06:20.219
And so this, of course, tiresome.

1096
01:06:20.280 --> 01:06:20.639
Thank you.

1097
01:06:20.880 --> 01:06:22.619
Oh, I love this.

1098
01:06:22.679 --> 01:06:24.179
That would be telling.

1099
01:06:25.260 --> 01:06:27.360
And then, woo.

1100
01:06:29.820 --> 01:06:40.440
It's not mentioned in the dialogue, but of course she gets the doctor to catch a red hot poker and he just fortunately doesn't catch the red hot end.

1101
01:06:40.619 --> 01:06:42.420
He's the doctor.

1102
01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:44.340
Isn't that the joy of Doctor Who?

1103
01:06:44.400 --> 01:06:49.019
And then, whoa, quickly, I must duck down this very small hole.

1104
01:06:49.079 --> 01:06:51.599
Very, very like...

1105
01:06:51.659 --> 01:06:53.699
How did he get his feet through?

1106
01:06:53.820 --> 01:06:54.780
It's fantastic.

1107
01:06:54.840 --> 01:06:57.840
One at a time. jiggling a lot.

1108
01:06:57.900 --> 01:07:00.119
That's another great line.

1109
01:07:00.179 --> 01:07:00.780
He'll keep.

1110
01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:03.119
He's full of colouring, flavouring and preservative.

1111
01:07:03.179 --> 01:07:07.559
In fact, there's a pity that Sylvester's face isn't in shot when he delivers that.

1112
01:07:07.559 --> 01:07:08.639
He's behind us. a pipe.

1113
01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:12.179
And so, you know, you can imagine them wanting to reshoot it.

1114
01:07:12.239 --> 01:07:21.360
There's another deleted scene, another deleted line here, which I think is absolutely superb and is a really good character moment for the doctor.

1115
01:07:21.420 --> 01:07:26.340
So she says, he says wanton destruction of public property, certainly not.

1116
01:07:26.400 --> 01:07:29.699
And then there's a beat and then he says, oh, all right then.

1117
01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:37.320
And it's the same glee that Hartnell has with smashing the system at the end of the savages.

1118
01:07:37.380 --> 01:07:47.940
You know, the doctor does want, you know, and does it hark back to horror Fang Rock, where the doctor gets cross at Leila for damaging the lighthouse.

1119
01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:50.699
You know, like for the quota government actor.

1120
01:07:50.760 --> 01:07:55.860
Yeah, yeah, saying it's against the law to damage sort of, you know, it covers linehouses or whatever.

1121
01:07:55.920 --> 01:07:57.480
I love, look at a run.

1122
01:07:57.539 --> 01:07:58.500
It's just hilarious.

1123
01:07:58.860 --> 01:08:01.199
Don't run as fast as you can.

1124
01:08:01.260 --> 01:08:02.340
Can, you can't catch me.

1125
01:08:02.400 --> 01:08:12.539
I'm the candy man And again, that shot is really great, isn't it?

1126
01:08:12.599 --> 01:08:15.480
From the from the TV to her face.

1127
01:08:15.719 --> 01:08:20.939
Don't we need the controller from Day of the Daleks to crop up and sing the Candyman?

1128
01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:28.199
I love how these guys actually worked out what controls to use in the kitchen too.

1129
01:08:28.260 --> 01:08:30.239
And the music here too.

1130
01:08:30.239 --> 01:08:30.960
Yeah.

1131
01:08:31.020 --> 01:08:32.279
And a lovely lighting.

1132
01:08:32.460 --> 01:08:35.220
And some of that's practical lighting, isn't it?

1133
01:08:35.279 --> 01:08:36.119
Yeah, yeah.

1134
01:08:36.180 --> 01:08:36.659
Yeah.

1135
01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:40.439
Yeah, I had originally thought it was like CG or something, but it's not.

1136
01:08:40.500 --> 01:08:41.880
Oh.

1137
01:08:41.880 --> 01:08:45.239
That's a little bit too quick.

1138
01:08:45.300 --> 01:08:50.279
I mean, obviously we can't afford to see him engulfed in whatever.

1139
01:08:50.340 --> 01:08:52.020
What even happens to him?

1140
01:08:52.380 --> 01:08:56.100
I think he just... hot fudge, basically.

1141
01:08:56.159 --> 01:08:57.840
He came from Vasinet.

1142
01:08:58.619 --> 01:09:00.239
Oh, yes.

1143
01:09:00.300 --> 01:09:00.899
Yes.

1144
01:09:01.140 --> 01:09:03.779
So he's obviously done this once before.

1145
01:09:03.840 --> 01:09:05.279
He bought his bones with him.

1146
01:09:05.340 --> 01:09:07.800
Like, he's done something in Vaseline.

1147
01:09:07.859 --> 01:09:10.500
Well, killed half a 1000000 people, half of the population.

1148
01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:16.020
Look at his face when Joseph C says, oh, well, it wasn't your fault. goes, no, no, it wasn't.

1149
01:09:20.460 --> 01:09:22.439
Oh, dear.

1150
01:09:22.500 --> 01:09:26.100
But give Big Finish another 30 years and they will.

1151
01:09:27.180 --> 01:09:31.319
There are candies next to Hellenese entry door. fantastic.

1152
01:09:31.380 --> 01:09:36.899
There's a little on, on the, on the table where they're sort of sitting in, in episode one.

1153
01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:43.500
There's candies and they're in their rainbow colours, like they've all been carefully arranged in the colour of a rainbow.

1154
01:09:46.560 --> 01:09:50.819
Just in case you're not sure what the allegory is.

1155
01:09:50.939 --> 01:09:52.020
Yeah, that's right.

1156
01:09:52.079 --> 01:09:54.420
Is Helen's suitcase a boom mic box?

1157
01:09:54.479 --> 01:09:55.859
I think it might be.

1158
01:09:55.979 --> 01:10:00.060
But she's got something fluffy in it that's still poking out the sides.

1159
01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:02.279
A bit of thick, no choice.

1160
01:10:03.899 --> 01:10:07.680
One of the best scenes in the story coming up.

1161
01:10:07.739 --> 01:10:09.000
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1162
01:10:09.060 --> 01:10:11.100
I think I know what you mean.

1163
01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:20.579
Uh, we do see them again, I think, here we go.

1164
01:10:22.020 --> 01:10:23.520
Yeah.

1165
01:10:23.579 --> 01:10:25.560
So, yeah.

1166
01:10:25.619 --> 01:10:32.220
I mean, this final scene where he's just going from place to place, inciting people, you know, it's just tremendous, isn't it?

1167
01:10:32.279 --> 01:10:32.819
Yeah.

1168
01:10:32.880 --> 01:10:34.020
Here we go.

1169
01:10:34.140 --> 01:10:37.140
We think Helena has escaped at this point, don't we?

1170
01:10:37.380 --> 01:10:39.420
And then we cut to her.

1171
01:10:39.479 --> 01:10:39.720
Yeah.

1172
01:10:40.079 --> 01:10:42.899
Like how the screen tells your information.

1173
01:10:42.960 --> 01:10:45.479
The shuttle's in the orbit and here comes some communication.

1174
01:10:50.699 --> 01:10:55.319
The deadpan quality is so amazing.

1175
01:10:55.380 --> 01:10:59.279
And just another unsatisfactory relationship that he's now started.

1176
01:10:59.340 --> 01:11:02.460
Like he was married to the Candyman.

1177
01:11:02.520 --> 01:11:04.020
Now he's with Joseph C.

1178
01:11:04.079 --> 01:11:05.760
The captain let me in.

1179
01:11:05.819 --> 01:11:06.960
He's not at all happy.

1180
01:11:08.039 --> 01:11:13.500
When are the Hunters Hill players doing the happiness?

1181
01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:17.760
With me.

1182
01:11:18.239 --> 01:11:20.279
It's a bit niche.

1183
01:11:20.399 --> 01:11:22.439
Oh that's fantastic.

1184
01:11:22.500 --> 01:11:24.659
This shot, not so great.

1185
01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:27.180
But whatever. you know it does what it needs to do.

1186
01:11:27.239 --> 01:11:29.579
What a brilliant ending for those 2 characters.

1187
01:11:29.640 --> 01:11:30.479
Oh, hello.

1188
01:11:33.779 --> 01:11:37.619
I'm delighted to see.

1189
01:11:38.279 --> 01:11:40.500
That's a bit crap as well.

1190
01:11:41.880 --> 01:11:45.659
She was just waiting for the fishing line to be. exactly.

1191
01:11:45.720 --> 01:11:49.020
Aces line here. face ache.

1192
01:11:49.140 --> 01:11:53.340
She has called her face ache once before. in a deleted scene.

1193
01:11:53.399 --> 01:11:56.819
She is like the most anarchist of Doctor Who come back.

1194
01:11:56.880 --> 01:11:57.300
Yeah, yeah.

1195
01:11:57.359 --> 01:11:58.859
Yeah, fantastic.

1196
01:11:58.979 --> 01:12:01.560
Like the hints of the young ones and Alexi Sale.

1197
01:12:01.619 --> 01:12:03.000
Yeah, Dodo.

1198
01:12:04.260 --> 01:12:06.060
Vicky, actually.

1199
01:12:06.119 --> 01:12:08.039
Vicky's pretty anarchist.

1200
01:12:08.100 --> 01:12:09.479
Revolution.

1201
01:12:09.539 --> 01:12:15.060
I mean, Vicky basically brings the Morocc regime down in the space museum, doesn't she?

1202
01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:15.960
wonderful.

1203
01:12:16.020 --> 01:12:17.760
Very underrated story.

1204
01:12:17.880 --> 01:12:20.579
What about Barbara and the morpho brains?

1205
01:12:21.840 --> 01:12:23.640
Dexterity.

1206
01:12:23.699 --> 01:12:27.359
Even though we're watching this with the subtitles on it, no sound.

1207
01:12:27.420 --> 01:12:28.439
I can hear that.

1208
01:12:28.500 --> 01:12:30.060
Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely.

1209
01:12:30.060 --> 01:12:32.520
I think this scene is absolutely stunning.

1210
01:12:32.579 --> 01:12:35.340
Like absolutely superb.

1211
01:12:35.399 --> 01:12:37.140
Wow, episode was supposed to end.

1212
01:12:37.199 --> 01:12:40.739
One of the best scenes in the history of Doctor Who.

1213
01:12:40.800 --> 01:12:41.520
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1214
01:12:41.579 --> 01:12:53.760
And certainly confronting the villain, where it's all about, you know, revealing to her the problems with her politics, you know, trying to convince her that she's doing the wrong thing.

1215
01:12:53.880 --> 01:13:04.199
And and just the way it's resolved, you know, like, I actually, you know, she's an awful person and it would have been fine if she'd been killed.

1216
01:13:04.260 --> 01:13:06.779
She's killed a half a 1000000 people.

1217
01:13:06.840 --> 01:13:09.600
You know, she's she's she's appalling.

1218
01:13:09.659 --> 01:13:13.199
And like it's, there's a, you know, it's not realistic or whatever.

1219
01:13:13.260 --> 01:13:13.859
It's not real.

1220
01:13:14.100 --> 01:13:22.680
But the fact that, you know, that the happiness here, she admits that it's all about control.

1221
01:13:22.739 --> 01:13:24.600
It is all about politics.

1222
01:13:24.659 --> 01:13:26.399
The happiness thing is about...

1223
01:13:26.399 --> 01:13:27.779
No, it's for the good of the majority.

1224
01:13:27.899 --> 01:13:29.760
Yeah, that's extremely thatcherite.

1225
01:13:29.819 --> 01:13:30.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1226
01:13:30.899 --> 01:13:37.619
Like, there's, like, the coded language around families and yeah, yeah, it's very Thatcher.

1227
01:13:37.680 --> 01:13:39.359
If you're miserable in this regime.

1228
01:13:39.420 --> 01:13:49.380
It's your fault because you're not strong enough and you you are weak, you know, and that's why you don't agree with this regime.

1229
01:13:49.439 --> 01:13:50.399
It's moral weakness.

1230
01:13:50.460 --> 01:13:54.720
And so it is absolutely political.

1231
01:13:54.779 --> 01:14:05.279
And then this thing where she, it's the moment that she says that, that love is overrated, that, you know, the doctor says, it's the thing when you have dogs, right?

1232
01:14:05.340 --> 01:14:08.460
When you have a dog, you will outlive the dog.

1233
01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:14.520
And so what you're signing up for as well as years of sort of love and loyalty is grief.

1234
01:14:14.579 --> 01:14:20.939
That's the deal and all relationships end, and they all end in grief.

1235
01:14:21.000 --> 01:14:37.859
And like this stupid puppet, and, and, and, she is just absolutely like, I can't watch this scene without crying, even though she's a terrible person, she is just so, so brilliant.

1236
01:14:37.920 --> 01:14:39.539
Thank God she's not Jenny Laird.

1237
01:14:39.600 --> 01:14:43.439
Yeah, no, it wouldn't have worked, but she just acts herself.

1238
01:14:43.500 --> 01:14:45.960
And the fact that...

1239
01:14:46.020 --> 01:14:47.039
Yeah, yeah.

1240
01:14:47.100 --> 01:14:53.039
And and impassive, you know, because this is what taught her that she's wrong.

1241
01:14:53.159 --> 01:14:54.899
This is how she gets overthrown.

1242
01:14:54.960 --> 01:14:57.180
She was wrong about all of this.

1243
01:14:57.239 --> 01:14:58.079
That's right.

1244
01:14:58.140 --> 01:14:59.460
This is the end of the episode.

1245
01:14:59.520 --> 01:15:02.640
I think it's a brilliant and music at this point.

1246
01:15:02.640 --> 01:15:04.380
What do you mean by as scripted?

1247
01:15:04.439 --> 01:15:08.819
Like that, like, they originally plan to end the episode there without this coder at the end?

1248
01:15:08.880 --> 01:15:11.279
I think the coder is absolutely natural.

1249
01:15:11.340 --> 01:15:11.880
You need the coder.

1250
01:15:11.939 --> 01:15:12.359
Yep.

1251
01:15:12.420 --> 01:15:15.359
And look at the lighting, how everything's blue.

1252
01:15:15.420 --> 01:15:27.539
You get to see Daisy and Priscilla fixing, you know, like they're being forced to do something to fix the society that they've been terrorising and they get a sort of funny line.

1253
01:15:27.600 --> 01:15:29.340
The adulture in charge now.

1254
01:15:29.399 --> 01:15:34.680
And you've had no real hint of a romance between these two, but right at the end you do and it's lovely.

1255
01:15:34.739 --> 01:15:36.060
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1256
01:15:36.119 --> 01:15:40.619
I also like in that last scene with Helen A. The doctor actually doesn't convince her.

1257
01:15:40.680 --> 01:15:42.000
He fails at convincing her.

1258
01:15:42.359 --> 01:15:44.819
It's just the caprice of chance that Fifi is there.

1259
01:15:44.939 --> 01:15:55.800
Yeah, someone that she loved has died and like grief is the appropriate thing, that being happy is not the right response, you know, in every situation.

1260
01:15:55.859 --> 01:15:58.319
Yeah, that's a beautiful last shot.

1261
01:15:58.439 --> 01:16:00.119
Yeah, yeah, I agree.

1262
01:16:00.180 --> 01:16:02.159
Yeah. terrific.

1263
01:16:02.220 --> 01:16:05.220
Set off brilliantly by Dominic's music, as the whole story has been.

1264
01:16:05.279 --> 01:16:06.420
Just tremendous.

1265
01:16:06.479 --> 01:16:11.640
What a wonderful way to spend Sunday morning watching this. which is brilliant.

1266
01:16:11.699 --> 01:16:13.560
I could watch that every day of the week.

1267
01:16:13.619 --> 01:16:14.460
Yep, yep.

1268
01:16:14.520 --> 01:16:15.600
No, this is my 3rd time.

1269
01:16:15.600 --> 01:16:17.100
Twice on Sunday. watching that.

1270
01:16:17.100 --> 01:16:18.420
And you have?

1271
01:16:18.479 --> 01:16:20.100
Tim Scott.

1272
01:16:20.159 --> 01:16:24.300
Can we just have a cheer for Tim Scott, the forum doormat?

1273
01:16:24.359 --> 01:16:25.979
Fantastic.

1274
01:16:25.979 --> 01:16:26.699
So great.

1275
01:16:26.699 --> 01:16:34.020
I like to think that they open up into the forum and it's that big cabinet thing from Star Wars episode one.

1276
01:16:34.079 --> 01:16:36.119
Is it episode one with all the Wolf Man 2?

1277
01:16:36.180 --> 01:16:39.359
No, episode two. all those little flying creatures in the big...

1278
01:16:39.359 --> 01:16:40.920
Oh, yes, geonosis.

1279
01:16:40.979 --> 01:16:42.420
The big arena.

1280
01:16:42.479 --> 01:16:42.960
Yes.

1281
01:16:43.260 --> 01:16:46.680
I kind of like how we don't get to see the forum.

1282
01:16:46.739 --> 01:16:47.399
That's good.

1283
01:16:47.460 --> 01:16:47.760
Yeah.

1284
01:16:47.760 --> 01:16:48.239
Yeah.

1285
01:16:49.500 --> 01:16:52.260
Because like that fits with the story.

1286
01:16:52.319 --> 01:16:56.640
The story is about the doctor fiddling around at the margins to bring down a... like a regime.

1287
01:16:56.760 --> 01:16:57.659
Yeah, yeah.

1288
01:16:57.720 --> 01:16:59.699
So seeing, you know, being outside.

1289
01:16:59.760 --> 01:17:01.020
Well done, Chris.

1290
01:17:01.079 --> 01:17:01.979
Thank you very much.

1291
01:17:02.220 --> 01:17:04.560
Thanks, Graham Curry for the story.

1292
01:17:04.619 --> 01:17:05.939
Yeah, absolutely.

1293
01:17:06.000 --> 01:17:06.779
So good.

1294
01:17:06.899 --> 01:17:08.819
And the novelisation, I think, is magnificent.

1295
01:17:08.939 --> 01:17:11.100
Like I read and reread the novelisation.

1296
01:17:11.159 --> 01:17:14.460
Find and download the audio book of it.

1297
01:17:14.520 --> 01:17:15.180
It's fantastic.

1298
01:17:15.239 --> 01:17:15.779
Okay.

1299
01:17:15.840 --> 01:17:17.100
I've never listened to it and I shouldn't.

1300
01:17:17.100 --> 01:17:18.539
Because I love Ruler Lenska.

1301
01:17:19.199 --> 01:17:22.140
Well, any closing remarks?

1302
01:17:22.199 --> 01:17:24.300
I think we might be done.

1303
01:17:24.359 --> 01:17:25.920
Shall we go again?

1304
01:17:25.979 --> 01:17:26.939
Yeah, all right.

1305
01:17:27.000 --> 01:17:27.479
Let's go.

1306
01:17:27.539 --> 01:17:29.640
And the code word is walkies.

1307
01:17:29.699 --> 01:17:30.000
No.

1308
01:17:30.060 --> 01:17:32.640
I can feel one of my moves coming on.

1309
01:17:33.000 --> 01:17:34.560
Good mood.

1310
01:17:34.739 --> 01:17:38.039
Well, dear listener, that's all we have time for this week.

1311
01:17:38.100 --> 01:17:47.520
We'll be back later in the year for our coverage of the 2009 Doctor Who specials, starting with a trip to the Scorpion nebula in a flying bus in Planet of the Dead.

1312
01:17:47.640 --> 01:18:02.460
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts, and you can keep up with us at flights for entirety on Facebook, at FT Podcast on Twitter, and on our website, FlightthroughEntirety.com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger, and Jody IntoTara.

1313
01:18:02.520 --> 01:18:10.800
Until next time, remember that the only true source of happiness in this whole benighted world is the love of a savage dog.

1314
01:18:10.859 --> 01:18:13.439
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1315
01:18:13.560 --> 01:18:14.520
Good night.

1316
01:18:14.579 --> 01:18:17.520
Good night. happiness will prevail.