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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight from Entirety, the

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only Doctor Who commentary podcast created for the sole purpose of

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travelling back in time 27 years and bringing down Margaret

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Thatcher's government.

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I'm Nathan B. I'm James S. I'm Peter G. and I'm Todd B. Well, in

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November 2017, when we released our Sylvester McCoy retrospective

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which was episode 29 advocate for genocide, we actually had a

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poll.

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Sorry.

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Yes, I remember that.

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Yeah, yeah.

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We had a poll.

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It was 150 years ago now on which Sylvester McCoy story we should

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do a commentary on, and we thought it was very urgent that we get

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to it.

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So we've left it 3 years before finally getting around to it.

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Todd's choice was Battlefield.

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Brendan wanted to do time in the Rani.

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Richard chose silver nemesis.

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All fine choices, I have to say.

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What the hell were we thinking?

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No, we knew what we were thinking because who chose this?

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So Happiness Patrol was me.

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I chose that, and it got exactly 50% of the vote.

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I may have voted 3 times.

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Well, we're never doing that again.

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So this is the 2nd serial of season 25 and it was broadcast in

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November 1988.

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And we've all podcasted on this quite a bit already.

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Our own episode, which you'll find in the show notes is episode

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122, this neocon world.

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And then James elbowed his way onto the real McCoy podcast with

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Eric Stadnick and Adam Clegg.

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And dragged you along.

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And dragged me along.

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That's right.

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And we did that in December last year.

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So you'll find that in the show notes.

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And then there's a new to who Christmas special where James was

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asked.

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We were all asked, I think, what our favourite story was, and

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James shows the Happiness Patrol and talked about that.

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So this is a, we've run out of things to say.

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Nevertheless, we'll sit here mutely for an hour and 15 minutes or

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how long does this go for?

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hour and 15 minutes and just kind of just drooling in admiration

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probably.

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All right, but we have our DVD ready to go.

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We're on the main menu.

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Gilbert M is walking down the stairs into the candy kitchen as we

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speak, and I've got Peter here with the remote.

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I do have to remote.

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And I'm going to get everyone to press the play button together.

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When I next say the code word and the code word will be walkies.

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More of that later.

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All right.

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So we are ready to go.

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Walkies.

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And we're off.

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Peak 80s.

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The kids at the Doctor Who Club at school always laugh at this

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title sequence.

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Really?

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Well, it's very period.

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It's very purple.

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I think the only thing that lets down this opening title sequence

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is the asteroids.

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Yeah, they're terrible.

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And I wish they weren't in the, um, in the closing credits as

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well.

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That's hardest.

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This is brilliant though.

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It's the best the tardoise has ever looked in the opening time.

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Well, maybe.

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Up to this point.

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Yeah, that's one hell of a z. least the light's not wrong.

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I actually think that logo is really good.

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It's just the doctor on it is slightly light entertainment.

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It's very light entertainment.

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When I say slightly, I mean, very.

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So last night I watched all of the deleted scenes.

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As did I?

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And so this scene is savagely topped and tailed.

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And this is a bit of a problem in the in the era, isn't it?

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Do you know that they wanted Silla Black for this role?

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She reminds me of her.

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It's a good thing they got her.

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But the music here, the music here by Dominic Gling is just

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outstanding.

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Oh he's wonderful.

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So Dominic Glean is just incredible, isn't he?

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I think he's so underrated.

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Everybody talks about Mark Ayres, but I think Dominic means just

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stunning.

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Whatever you think of his theme tune and I actually really like

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it.

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Yeah, I do too.

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Like his incidental music for the show is fantastic.

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So what did he do?

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He did this.

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He did survival.

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Dragonfire and also the 1st 4 and last 2 episodes of Trial of a

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Timeline.

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Yeah, magnificent.

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We actually asked him, could we use the music for our time

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incorporated episode?

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And he very generously said yes.

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But the music is magnificent, isn't it?

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Magnificent.

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This is this is just wonderful.

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Sorry, Peter.

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I was going to say on the Dominic Glynn front.

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I know Dominic, because when I did my final film for university

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which was an hour long epic, which maybe should not have been

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attempted, I went to Dominic and he did the score for me.

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And so we were, you know, we went out for an afternoon, we talked

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all about it.

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He went away for a couple of weeks and came back with just an

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amazing musical score.

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It actually sounds quite like his Doctor Who score for maybe

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survival, with a little bit of ultimate foe thrown in, and I'll

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pay you a bit later.

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It's amazing.

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You missed have a nice, nice death.

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She talks like this all the time, Daisy K. She was a bit.

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Sean Connery, really.

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She's great.

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I love her.

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I love the fact that she always just skating on the edge.

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She's mental, isn't she?

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She should have been the 1st female bond.

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She, that scene actually ends in the extended scenes with her

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looking just absolutely crazed.

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And it's a perfect final shot for the 1st scene because it tells

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you what the story's going to be about.

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So we actually end on her face just grinning horribly.

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So, you know, one of the working titles for this story?

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Yeah, the crooked smile.

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So this is the kind of wonderful continuity stuff that I love with

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them coming out talking about how great invasion of the dinosaurs

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is.

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Because it absolutely is.

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When are we doing the Embijing the dinosaurs podcast?

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We never doing it again.

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Can I say one of the things about having these 3 episode stories

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and everything cut down?

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Like this...

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I find the dialogue here, to be quite still to like to get into

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it.

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Suddenly like she says the music's too happy.

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We've got to do something about it.

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It's just, it suffers in the editing.

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It's like, I'd love to see this redone and it's a film noir thing

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like now, given a little bit more time to sort of get into that.

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But, you know, we've just got to get into this, you know?

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And this is just well, I mean, she's absolutely incredible.

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But what's happened here, you know, Andrew Cartwell can't get the

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scripts to time, and it's an ongoing problem with his era, and

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it's not just the three-part stories, because Fenrick and

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Battlefield, both suffer from being, you know, Fenrick

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particularly, episode one is cut to rim, I think.

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Um, and what they tend to do is cut into the middle of a scene, um

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and cut stuff out of the middle of the scene, and so you just go

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backwards and forwards between to sort of plot through.

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That was J and T's thing.

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So to cut things down, you would basically cut a scene in half

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remove a chunk, and then go back and you thought it had increased

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pace, which it does, but in a case like this makes it a bit

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unintelligible.

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Well, here too, they're topping and tailing.

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So you go into and out of the scenes really quickly.

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We're about to see a scene where Ace goes down to the Candy

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Kitchen.

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She smells something and then wanders off and then we never find

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out what that is.

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You know, like there's things that don't make sense.

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And what gets cut out is character and atmosphere.

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And so there's all sorts of really fun things that we just don't

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get to see.

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But we get to see this, and I'm sure some people out there would

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have been having apoplexy at the moment this started.

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I love this so much.

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It's so pretty.

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I kind of wish they hadn't repainted it.

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Imagine what had happened when the kid, the kid wipes Bad Wolf, the

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kid who graffities the TARDIS with a bad wolf and starts rubbing

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the paint off and gets to the pink layer.

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That some missed opportunity.

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There's this scene here where they were just checking the bullet

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holes.

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In the missing scenes, the doctor and ace have been everywhere.

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They've been to the candy kitchen.

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They've been to the execution area and then they've come back to

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here.

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And so there's huge reams of story missing.

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Well, I mean, it's not story.

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It's not super essential, but it just gets us discovering the

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world at the same time as them.

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I think the great thing here is how the doctor reacts to the

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Tartish being painted pink and how much he likes it.

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You expect him to be really angry about it, but he's totally on

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board.

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The thing is, it does look really good.

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I would have been quite happy to have continued that way

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throughout the class era until Philip Siegel came in and said

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absolutely not.

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I want to do a custom repainter of one of those character options

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in the pig.

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Look, she is amazing here, Georgina Hale.

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I interviewed her in 1995, because Tapnestrol was one of my

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favourite stories, and so I made admission to talk to as many

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people as I could for Dog 2 magazine when I was doing the

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interviews for them.

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And some people had already been interviewed, but I got to speak

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to Georgina and Rachel Bell, who pays Priscilla and John

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Normington, who plays Trevor Sigma, Trevor Sigma, and also Chris

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Clough.

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And Georgina here was quite mad in real life as well, in a lovely

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way.

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And she said she decided to put on a slight American accent for it

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and she couldn't remember why.

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And you can shut off hair.

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That's what I was sharing earlier.

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She's just great.

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She is in one of my favourite. kids TV programs from when I was a

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child, tea bag.

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Oh, yes.

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Is teabagging still one of your favourites?

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Thank you, Peter.

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He, he's watching these disappearances like as, oh, I don't know

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what this is, you know, just routine disappearance number, whatever

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it was, and I just love it.

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So delicious.

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I think I think we go over 500,000 during the course of this

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night.

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Yeah.

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So it's it's 487 or 987 or something like that at the end and

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there's been like 20 something disappearances during the course of

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the evening.

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This is cut down as well.

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Like this was much longer.

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There's an extended scene of this speech, which, again, is

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introduces the important theme, that she is unable to deal with

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the fact that there is political dissent.

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You know, she we'll see in episode 3 that she can't accept that

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her regime is toppling, but it introduces the theme, that the

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happiness thing is not really, um, about happiness.

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It's about political descent.

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And it's interesting as well that this is not a front for her.

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She's not, she's not putting on this front for the population when

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she's in private with her husband.

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She's looking at him and saying, you should watch this.

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You'll find this instructor.

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She's an absolute true believer.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's a front that she's completely self-deceived.

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Yeah, yeah.

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She's a zealot.

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Yeah.

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So appalling.

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So great.

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And then the canned laughter.

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Yeah, she was married to, was it John Thor, is her husband?

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And apparently she came onto the studio floor and said to John

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Nathan Turner, my husband, who's, of course, got a lot of

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experience with working in TV drama, has looked at the short list

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you've got and said, you will never get this filmed and John

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Nathan Turner said, watches.

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Yeah, I think you'll just never get it aired though, sadly.

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We'll get in the camera.

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We just won't get half of it out again.

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It's all the smaller parts in this that are unsung heroes, like

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every single one.

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You're only as strong as your weakest think.

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She is incredible.

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Oh, she's amazing.

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The waiting zone.

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And the smile, just the way, again, that she goes from this sort

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of bland and she's she's like an usher rant, isn't she at a movie

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theatre with that box?

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But this, the music here and the sudden delivery of that line and

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Sylvester moving his leg back with his umbrella is so great.

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It's so stylised and so beautifully done.

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You know, people seem to have a problem with the sets for this

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story.

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They say that they don't look realistic, that it should have been

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shot on location, et cetera.

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I think the world that's created for this story.

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I mean, look at this set.

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It is beautiful.

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There's no attempt to sort of disguise the sound of the set.

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And so whenever anyone walks on stairs or anything, you can hear

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sort of echoing wood.

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And like I do think that you can hear the sound of the studio set

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in a way that undermines the realism.

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But basically it's a theatre piece.

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I think.

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None of the, none of the action sequences come off at all.

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And partly because they're sort of can't, but there aren't that

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many action sequences anyway. adds to it.

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Yeah, like, I mean, the theatricality, the the facade, and we said

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this in the podcast we did with Eric and Adam, like, it, it shows

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that this world is completely false, and, yeah, well, this is this

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is the camp thing.

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And it even says it on the DVD liner notes that there's an

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inversion here where I've arrived.

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Sorry, I just need Todd playing Gilbert M. John Normington said

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that he and Harold Innocent were lifelong friends and they'd never

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worked together until this, the only time they did.

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And they have that one scene together that's cut out.

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Well, no, it's still in there where, um, where Trevor Sigma comes

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into the palace and talks to, um, Helen A and Harold Innocent.

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Oh no, that's Joseph C.

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Oh no, you're right.

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No, there's a scene in the Candy Kitchen early on, which has a

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great gag.

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Again, if you've got the, if you've got the DVD, the extended and

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deleted scenes are absolute must watches, I had never seen them

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before last night.

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And they're brilliant.

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And that scene with Harold Innocent and John Norlington is so

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funny and has one line that had me laughing out loud.

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People said that Harold Innocent was absolutely hilarious.

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And so he kept everyone in hysterics.

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I mean, all of this, you know, the sort of, as James was saying

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the camp theatricality, and then the people who are on the outside

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are all wearing black, the drones and this political dissident

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here, I mean, what Harold V is a political dissident, we don't

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know what he's been caught for, an ostentatious display of public

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grief could be some kind of political protest.

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And I think I think that that's what's happening here.

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I like her little her little tiny pink button.

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He's got a little blue button.

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It's like Serverland's Ginka kilt.

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But the pink button kills you with pink stuff and then the blue

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button kills you with blue lightning as well.

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Like they're totally colour coordinated.

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Now, apparently it looks like some British sweet.

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Yeah, so Birdie Bassett, who was a logo for some kind of Bassett

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sweets, yeah.

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Well, look, I didn't know about it.

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So I had no problem with it.

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I think it's brilliant.

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I just think it's absolutely brilliant.

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And better masterpiece.

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Yeah, better than the original conception, which had him as a sort

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of pale figure.

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You know, like I think he just finishes done repeatedly.

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Of course.

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What if they brought back the candy man?

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They brought back the Candyman as...

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Graham Curran.

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Oh, God.

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Look at that.

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Imagine cleaning that up.

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Yeah, they got his bones back together and reconstituted him.

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So, so this, this scene here, he reaches his hand out at the end

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and it's heart.

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But what happens in the extended things is he wipes some of the

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the syrup off the guy's face, licks it, and then smiles and says

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strawberry.

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And it's so black.

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It's so wonderful and it's so heartbreaking that it's not in

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there.

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Todd thinks it goes too far.

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I do.

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I think sometimes I think sometimes scenes are cut for a reason.

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But there's a number in here, all the introductory ones that

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should could have been kept.

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I think some of these 3 episode stories need 25 to 27 minutes as

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opposed to 22.5 .

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Oh my god, there he goes.

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We see, the same thing could have befallen the last episode of

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Trial of a Timelord.

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That would have been cut to ribbons, except they got special

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disagentation to make it 30 minutes. 30 minutes would have been

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perfect.

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And 30 minutes, I mean, there's 30 minutes of material for each of

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these episodes, I think, or something close to that.

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27,28.

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I love this so...

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She's really good.

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But he's good in it as well.

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That little smile, he does, is so great.

391
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Sylvester is great throughout this story.

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Yeah.

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This is this is very much, you know, I've been reading Elle Sander

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for stuff about the new adventures lately because the book has

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just been released.

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And that conception of the doctor is a sort of darker figure who

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goes from place to place and, you know, has a plan and stuff.

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I think that's really starting here.

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Maybe remembrance.

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Yeah, I mean, it's very Patrick Trouton as well.

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The way that doctor would kind of, you know, just would nip into

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situations and wander around a little bit, kind of gather

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information and subverting.

404
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It's so different from the previous season.

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This too, where he overtalks her, where he just says yes while she

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is finishing the waiting zone go-kart line.

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Really well done.

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It's menacing in a really, really interesting way.

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And like he's super calm, you know, there's no anger, he's barely

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moving, but he's incredibly threatening. in the way he delivers

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his lives.

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Remembrance and this.

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You know, is the 1st 2 of this season.

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So it's just worked out what he wants to do. running's worked out

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what they want to do with him.

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It's just a great marriage and he's so he's so much better than

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the previous season.

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Well, the character, it just works well.

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So I want to give you Alfie's assessment of how realistic this

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puppet puppet is.

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So Alfie didn't react at all to that scene. you know, when I was

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watching it 2 days ago.

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But in a scene later on where you can see the whole puppet and

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Helena is taking the bandages off it and it's growling, he did

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growl at the screen then.

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That part was more convincing. it was more convincing.

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What isn't very captured?

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Is the go-karts here, which, of course, the same people, I believe

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were responsible for the vengeance on Barros go-karts as well.

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And, you know, they just, you know, is a getaway vehicle.

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They zip along, don't they?

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That shot of it actually where it's not clear how big it is is a

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problem because it looks a bit like a roller skate as well.

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So when you 1st see the 1st shot of it, and no one is in the shot

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with it.

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You can't work out how big it is.

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There is only 4 feet of corridors.

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No, I know.

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The set is so tight.

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I mean, and look at this, though.

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Doesn't this give the light to the fact that 1980s Doctor Who was

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never well lit?

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Yeah.

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This is beautifully lit.

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Well, there's a sort of noir-ish kind of thing going on, isn't

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there?

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Oh, look.

448
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It's good King Winchesters.

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The last time I watched this, I did watch it in black and white.

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Didn't that take something away from me?

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I love the pink. though.

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Well, yes, the colour.

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But in some ways, like some of it actually works better because

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the stark contrast between... actually adds as a certain amount

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of...

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Here we have Susan Q, and you can tell that she's an important

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character because she has a hero wig.

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You can see.

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Like she has a different wig from everyone else.

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She has actually been introduced already by this point in episode

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one. but that scenes can't.

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So the scene where she comes in and Priscilla P says, you know, we

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don't have any prisoners on Terra Alpha and she says, well, we

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don't have any now because they've escaped from the waiting zone.

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So she's already been introduced.

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That's another scene.

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And so, and all a whole heap of dialogue between her and Ace has

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disappeared, which is really good, where she talks about how she

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used to have a collection of blues albums and stuff.

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It's, you know, like I think that stuff's super important.

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I agree with you.

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I mean, right here, we just, we see her for 12nd, then we cut to

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this and, and straight away.

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I mean, obviously you're straight into the point that, you know

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she is tired of this life and all that it stands for.

476
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But where is that backstory?

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Yeah.

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Like, why is she so trusting of this girl, she's only just met.

479
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Yeah.

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And look at that.

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That is the same shot that's used at the end of episode three, but

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looking the other way.

483
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Again, I have a slight problem here is that like he's playing very

484
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melancholy stuff and surely they would have heard it from 5 feet

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away and then suddenly it's all, you know, lively and happy.

486
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Now, that short that we just had on Earl Sigma there was on a tilt

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on a Dutch angle.

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So the story with that was Chris Clough said that he wanted to

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shoot everything on tilts.

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So you'd have the middle camera in the studio, which was just

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normal, and then left-hand side camera was tilted one way, the

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right hand side camera was the other way.

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It's very noticeable in the opening scene.

494
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But he said that they shot about 3 or 4 scenes, so you can tell

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what was shot early, and he said, GNT in the gallery said, no, it's

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making me giddy.

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And so they took them off the angles and put them back onto the

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normal plane.

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What else has Chris directed?

500
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So Nemesis, Delta and Dragonfire, and Tear of the Vervoids

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ultimate foe.

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See, I don't think he's very good.

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And I think there are some really good camera work here, but I

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think that there's some the action scenes, such as they are. are

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super listless.

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I might say this is probably his best story and it's to do with

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casting.

508
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Yep.

509
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Yeah, I think so.

510
00:22:02.700 --> 00:22:06.240
I think the script and the performances are so superb that the

511
00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:08.039
fact that the direction is sort of a bit boring.

512
00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:12.900
With exceptions, there are some great individual scenes and shots

513
00:22:12.900 --> 00:22:13.200
and stuff.

514
00:22:13.319 --> 00:22:15.779
Do you know, I think this could have been over eggs, though.

515
00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:17.519
I mean we were talking about this last night.

516
00:22:17.579 --> 00:22:19.799
It might have needed more of a directorial voice.

517
00:22:19.859 --> 00:22:22.920
That could have made it better, but I think also having a director

518
00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:26.339
who just kind of shows what's happening, because what's happening

519
00:22:26.339 --> 00:22:29.039
is quite crazy, might actually make it a better story.

520
00:22:29.099 --> 00:22:31.980
He allows it, the actors, space.

521
00:22:32.039 --> 00:22:33.480
He allows them to breathe and do their thing.

522
00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:37.559
And you see that in their performances, which is, Peter, I think

523
00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:40.920
what you're saying, that actually works in its favour.

524
00:22:41.099 --> 00:22:42.960
So have a look here.

525
00:22:43.019 --> 00:22:45.059
I think we might get the tilts here if this was one of the early

526
00:22:45.059 --> 00:22:45.539
scenes.

527
00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:46.500
So that's the middle camera.

528
00:22:46.559 --> 00:22:51.059
So he's got a, he's got an underground newspaper called the grief

529
00:22:51.059 --> 00:22:54.960
that he's reading in that scene, the headline of it was briefly

530
00:22:54.960 --> 00:22:55.319
visible.

531
00:22:55.380 --> 00:22:58.680
And a lot of those restored scenes, if you know the novelisation

532
00:22:58.680 --> 00:22:59.460
they're all in it.

533
00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:05.099
This, I think, is making it very clear that the happiness stuff is

534
00:23:05.099 --> 00:23:09.000
all about political descent because we're replaying the 1st scene

535
00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:10.859
which is about being depressed.

536
00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:14.279
But here it's about politics, isn't it?

537
00:23:14.339 --> 00:23:14.700
Yes.

538
00:23:14.759 --> 00:23:16.079
See, on a tilt?

539
00:23:16.440 --> 00:23:18.180
Back to Sylvester on a different tilt.

540
00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:18.720
Yeah.

541
00:23:18.779 --> 00:23:21.000
But it works well for his scenes.

542
00:23:21.059 --> 00:23:25.019
Yeah, because their close-ups of his face and it's conspiratorial

543
00:23:25.019 --> 00:23:25.859
and stuff like that.

544
00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:30.180
I guess I never quite got the political sort of tilt.

545
00:23:30.180 --> 00:23:33.059
When I 1st watched it, like it was all about happiness and she

546
00:23:33.059 --> 00:23:34.079
wanted everybody to be happy.

547
00:23:34.140 --> 00:23:38.940
But I was clearly enough to understand that this was supposed to

548
00:23:38.940 --> 00:23:42.839
be Margaret Thatcher, you know, and in the 1980s with Margaret

549
00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:45.660
Thatcher and Ronald Reagan as a kid and all the news you got, you

550
00:23:45.660 --> 00:23:48.180
just thought of them as being these loved leaders who had, you

551
00:23:48.180 --> 00:23:52.380
know, who were standing up to communism and and whatever, but I

552
00:23:52.380 --> 00:23:56.220
never realised, you know, how divisive they actually were in their

553
00:23:56.220 --> 00:23:56.700
own countries.

554
00:23:56.759 --> 00:24:00.480
And it was really, perhaps only after this, that I began to sort

555
00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:01.859
of think about things like that.

556
00:24:01.920 --> 00:24:04.019
But, you know, straight away.

557
00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:07.079
I just thought, oh, this is, this is something to do with Margaret

558
00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:08.099
Thatcher, it's so obvious.

559
00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:10.920
I don't know how anybody could not ever.

560
00:24:10.980 --> 00:24:12.599
There's the fakeness.

561
00:24:12.660 --> 00:24:15.720
Remember, there was a well-known story that she had done vocal

562
00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:20.039
coaching in order to, you know, as she became a sort of more

563
00:24:20.039 --> 00:24:23.579
important political leader, she'd kind of done vocal coaching.

564
00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:24.359
So there we go.

565
00:24:24.420 --> 00:24:25.019
Yeah.

566
00:24:25.740 --> 00:24:29.460
And, you know, having an idiot husband and all of that sort of

567
00:24:29.460 --> 00:24:31.680
thing is all kind of part of it.

568
00:24:31.859 --> 00:24:37.140
But the iconography is, is like a crumbling South American

569
00:24:37.140 --> 00:24:38.700
dictatorship, isn't it?

570
00:24:38.759 --> 00:24:39.960
Like with the paint peeling everywhere.

571
00:24:40.019 --> 00:24:41.160
I would agree.

572
00:24:41.220 --> 00:24:41.819
Absolutely.

573
00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:42.960
I think that's hilarious.

574
00:24:43.019 --> 00:24:45.839
Daisy Kay is just must just hate Silas P. so much.

575
00:24:45.900 --> 00:24:47.460
She's just itching for him to make a mistake.

576
00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:48.660
They've been doing this for years.

577
00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:51.720
And then he just has this one moment where he's suddenly sitting

578
00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:54.779
there like, oh, you know, something's gone wrong and then she's

579
00:24:54.779 --> 00:24:56.220
he's blown away.

580
00:24:56.279 --> 00:25:01.500
I also wonder too, whether, because Helen A thinks he's too

581
00:25:01.500 --> 00:25:06.359
ambitious, they're not quite the very top, I hope, Silas B. You

582
00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:07.079
know, an instrument.

583
00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:08.039
I like that.

584
00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:13.680
That's good Oh, these sets are so beautiful.

585
00:25:13.740 --> 00:25:15.180
I absolutely love them.

586
00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:18.779
Yeah, they're a very strange choice, aren't they?

587
00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:22.380
The idea, like, you can imagine a designer deciding to go all out

588
00:25:22.380 --> 00:25:27.119
with the pink and the pastel colours and stuff and then deciding

589
00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:30.660
but here it's all black and white and it's all a bit shabby.

590
00:25:30.779 --> 00:25:33.779
I just like to say that I have more hair and I am younger than

591
00:25:33.779 --> 00:25:34.200
that man.

592
00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:37.740
But I could in fact do that at all.

593
00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:39.059
Definitely now.

594
00:25:39.420 --> 00:25:41.039
Thanks, James.

595
00:25:41.099 --> 00:25:41.819
Who invited you?

596
00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:43.799
And this they're so married.

597
00:25:43.859 --> 00:25:47.160
It's so wonderful. the what time do you call this line with the

598
00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:48.960
with the rolling pin earlier on.

599
00:25:49.019 --> 00:25:52.500
And this is absolutely sort of Hansel and Gretel.

600
00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:53.339
Do you know what I mean?

601
00:25:53.460 --> 00:25:55.079
Spinning eyes to it to me.

602
00:25:55.980 --> 00:25:59.759
So they have constant marital tests, don't they?

603
00:25:59.819 --> 00:26:03.960
Do you think that do you think that he's tasted the candy man's

604
00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:04.500
cane?

605
00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:07.440
Oh, this is a family.

606
00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:08.640
Definitely our speech.

607
00:26:08.700 --> 00:26:09.900
Definitely peppermint.

608
00:26:10.559 --> 00:26:13.019
Oh, and oh, dear.

609
00:26:13.740 --> 00:26:16.019
I can feel one of my moods coming on.

610
00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:21.180
And also, not only does the Candyman look brilliant.

611
00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:22.259
He sounds brilliant.

612
00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:24.660
There's a brilliant performance going on.

613
00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:25.980
Just so great.

614
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:30.359
And I love this, you know, its usual sort of cliffhanger phase, but

615
00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:33.779
we've just had this line about smiles on their faces and then you

616
00:26:33.779 --> 00:26:37.079
get this close-up of him grimacing. you know as he sort of moves

617
00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:37.680
out of the way.

618
00:26:37.740 --> 00:26:40.740
So it is, it's a perfect kind of cliffhanger face final shot

619
00:26:40.859 --> 00:26:41.759
absolutely.

620
00:26:41.819 --> 00:26:44.339
The thing, the thing that makes the canaman such a brilliant

621
00:26:44.339 --> 00:26:47.160
character. is that he's psychotic, but he also has a weird sense

622
00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:47.700
of fun.

623
00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:51.119
He banters with the doctor quite often.

624
00:26:51.180 --> 00:26:54.359
But they're the best Dr. Hoovillains when they've got a bit of a

625
00:26:54.359 --> 00:26:57.119
sense of humour, like, whether it be Harrison Chase or whoever.

626
00:26:57.180 --> 00:27:00.839
Like, they, they do make, they just make a...

627
00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:03.960
And also, the best Doctor Who villains also have a henchman who is

628
00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:05.579
sort of a lesser evil version of themselves.

629
00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:07.680
So you've got like Tobias Warren and Packer.

630
00:27:07.740 --> 00:27:09.420
He've got the Candyman and Harold.

631
00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:10.319
Yeah, yeah.

632
00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:14.279
But it's Harold really worse because he created him and he also

633
00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:16.079
was on another planet with him or whatever.

634
00:27:16.140 --> 00:27:17.400
Yeah, no, he's Gilbert.

635
00:27:17.460 --> 00:27:18.059
Gilbert.

636
00:27:18.059 --> 00:27:18.779
Oh, Gilbert, sorry.

637
00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:21.839
Oh, Harold, in a Sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah.

638
00:27:21.900 --> 00:27:22.619
They all refused.

639
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:23.880
How could we forget?

640
00:27:23.940 --> 00:27:26.819
This whole black...

641
00:27:26.819 --> 00:27:27.779
I can't talk.

642
00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:28.259
Backstory.

643
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:29.220
There's a whole backstory.

644
00:27:30.059 --> 00:27:35.579
In the novelisation, which explains, you know, how they came to be

645
00:27:35.579 --> 00:27:38.279
on the planet, which is...

646
00:27:38.339 --> 00:27:41.099
Isn't the audiobook of the novelisation read by someone

647
00:27:41.099 --> 00:27:41.579
interesting?

648
00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:45.720
Yes, it's read by...

649
00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:47.099
Resurrection of the Daleks.

650
00:27:47.099 --> 00:27:48.779
Ruler Lenska.

651
00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:49.500
Rulalenska.

652
00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:49.859
Wow.

653
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:51.180
What an interesting choice.

654
00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:55.019
Well, especially when she's doing Helena.

655
00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:56.819
She just does Margaret Thatch.

656
00:27:56.880 --> 00:28:00.720
She's already got that kind of plummy voice and Taylor Hancock's

657
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:01.619
just doing Margaret.

658
00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:05.819
But, you know, he's just doing Margaret Thatcher's voice.

659
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:08.279
I could see Ruler Linska actually playing that character.

660
00:28:08.339 --> 00:28:11.220
She's really good, ruler lens, because she was thrown away on

661
00:28:11.220 --> 00:28:13.079
Resurrection of the Daleks, I think.

662
00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:15.839
Well, those scenes would be much worse without her.

663
00:28:15.900 --> 00:28:17.759
She's great in the...

664
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:20.400
Oh, Nathan, your bile would be better directed than the enemy.

665
00:28:20.460 --> 00:28:23.880
She's getting the hitchhiker's...

666
00:28:23.940 --> 00:28:24.779
Yeah, yeah, she is.

667
00:28:24.839 --> 00:28:25.440
Yeah.

668
00:28:25.500 --> 00:28:26.880
Yeah, she's Lynn Tilla.

669
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:32.039
Yeah, the thing about Helen A and Margaret Thatcher is the watch

670
00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:35.640
Thatcher is often accused of is the destruction of society.

671
00:28:35.759 --> 00:28:40.980
So, um, you know, she sold off loads of council housing and she

672
00:28:40.980 --> 00:28:44.099
was responsible for the decimation of kind of northern mining

673
00:28:44.099 --> 00:28:45.240
communities and things like that.

674
00:28:45.299 --> 00:28:48.059
And that's really what Helen A is doing.

675
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:51.180
She's destroying her own society by trying to force them to be

676
00:28:51.180 --> 00:28:51.599
happy.

677
00:28:51.660 --> 00:28:53.099
How can you destroy something that doesn't exist?

678
00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:55.079
Yeah, well, she's, I mean, it is that thing.

679
00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:55.859
Yeah.

680
00:28:55.859 --> 00:28:57.599
She says no such thing as society.

681
00:28:57.660 --> 00:29:00.779
There are individuals and there are families and that's all that

682
00:29:00.779 --> 00:29:01.200
matters.

683
00:29:01.259 --> 00:29:05.940
And we see now what that approach, the effect that that approach

684
00:29:05.940 --> 00:29:06.599
has.

685
00:29:06.660 --> 00:29:13.259
Like it makes, you know, any kind of concerted, common sacrifice

686
00:29:13.259 --> 00:29:16.440
impossible, you know, and we're finding ourselves in a situation

687
00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:19.740
where that's absolutely kind of necessary to our survival.

688
00:29:19.740 --> 00:29:22.859
These right wing governments can't cope with it.

689
00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:26.039
And they've been pushing it ever since for exactly that reason.

690
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:27.000
Yeah, yeah.

691
00:29:27.059 --> 00:29:28.740
So we called it...

692
00:29:28.740 --> 00:29:31.200
We called this episode this neocon world.

693
00:29:31.259 --> 00:29:34.980
But, I mean, it's it's, you know, kind of neo-liberalism that's

694
00:29:34.980 --> 00:29:35.819
being attacked here.

695
00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:39.720
I love all the other happiness patrol members.

696
00:29:39.779 --> 00:29:41.099
Look at them. amazing.

697
00:29:41.220 --> 00:29:43.319
They're all just convincing enough.

698
00:29:43.380 --> 00:29:46.740
They're not quite good enough to be in the main cast, but they're

699
00:29:46.740 --> 00:29:49.019
all just good enough, you know, to sell it.

700
00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:52.619
There are some very, very ropey deleted scenes where they're

701
00:29:52.619 --> 00:29:53.759
trying to run up and downstairs.

702
00:29:53.819 --> 00:29:55.559
I'm sure, okay?

703
00:29:55.619 --> 00:29:59.819
You know, we almost had a reversed version of this in season one

704
00:29:59.880 --> 00:30:02.400
as in Series one?

705
00:30:02.460 --> 00:30:02.880
Season one.

706
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:03.480
Season one.

707
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:10.259
There was a script or not script necessary, but like a story

708
00:30:10.259 --> 00:30:19.019
concept that was pitched during the early 60s where the TARDIS

709
00:30:19.019 --> 00:30:25.740
would have landed an alternate version of the mid 40s in a society

710
00:30:25.740 --> 00:30:29.039
where to laugh was a crime.

711
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:31.079
I hadn't heard.

712
00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:32.759
And then we're going to call the story the Jokers.

713
00:30:32.819 --> 00:30:36.119
They would have gotten into trouble by Susan being unable to

714
00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:37.740
contain her peals of laughter.

715
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:41.880
Oh my god.

716
00:30:41.940 --> 00:30:45.960
We were at university, Peter, when this came out and told as

717
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:46.200
well.

718
00:30:46.259 --> 00:30:47.579
I was at uni.

719
00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:48.359
I wasn't at uni.

720
00:30:48.420 --> 00:30:48.779
I was at school.

721
00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:50.579
You're a year younger than me.

722
00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:50.880
Yeah.

723
00:30:50.940 --> 00:30:51.299
Yeah.

724
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:52.200
Yeah we were at school.

725
00:30:52.259 --> 00:30:53.400
You were at school.

726
00:30:53.460 --> 00:30:56.160
I seem to remember, though, getting to university and maybe it was

727
00:30:56.160 --> 00:30:59.220
sort of Kate Orman and various other people who had seen it and

728
00:30:59.220 --> 00:31:02.099
everyone was just doing lines from this all the time.

729
00:31:02.220 --> 00:31:04.019
Yeah, already it was iconic.

730
00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:05.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

731
00:31:05.460 --> 00:31:07.440
We have the waitings.

732
00:31:07.500 --> 00:31:09.119
And it moves to different places.

733
00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:09.779
I love that.

734
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:14.039
The story that we treat is iconic is iconoclastic.

735
00:31:14.099 --> 00:31:15.240
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

736
00:31:15.299 --> 00:31:15.900
Yeah.

737
00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:19.380
See, she's she is so good.

738
00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:21.720
She was one of the people who I interviewed and she was so

739
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:22.200
charming.

740
00:31:22.259 --> 00:31:26.400
She said, um, she'd been in a sitcom called Dear John, which was

741
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:29.579
um, quite popular, and she'd been in the Darling Buds of May.

742
00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:33.180
And she leaned across the cafe table to me and she said, um, only

743
00:31:33.180 --> 00:31:34.980
worked sporadically up until when I was 35.

744
00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:38.400
She said, but when I hit 35, it all came together and I worked

745
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:40.140
absolutely solidly for 10 years.

746
00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:42.960
And then she said, now, darling, you're not to do any sums.

747
00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:49.559
She was charming.

748
00:31:49.619 --> 00:31:52.619
There's that very final scene, which we'll talk about when we get

749
00:31:52.619 --> 00:31:57.660
there, where both her and Daisy K kind of drop the performance a

750
00:31:57.660 --> 00:31:59.339
bit and they're really funny.

751
00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:01.500
Like they just have that little exchange at the end.

752
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:04.440
I'm glad you're happy, Daisy. is so great.

753
00:32:05.220 --> 00:32:07.200
I think it's great.

754
00:32:07.259 --> 00:32:11.880
I do question that the Candyman gets killed, but none of the

755
00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:16.079
happiness patrol, hell, mate. none of them actually do, and you

756
00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:18.960
normally would expect at least one of them up and coming because

757
00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:22.740
Daisy K is actually like pretty terrible.

758
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:27.000
I think I think there's something sort of slightly grown up about

759
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:27.779
that though.

760
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:28.799
Do you know what I mean?

761
00:32:28.859 --> 00:32:31.319
The job is to overthrow the government rather than kill the

762
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:31.799
villains.

763
00:32:31.859 --> 00:32:35.640
You know, and I think that's probably okay, particularly if, like

764
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:41.880
you know, I didn't like Arachnids in the UK having a Donald Trump

765
00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:45.779
analogue and then having him not eaten by a spider at the end.

766
00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:48.000
That was the obvious thing to do, and it's absolutely

767
00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:52.259
heartbreaking that it didn't happen and shameful and a moral

768
00:32:52.259 --> 00:32:52.799
outrage.

769
00:32:53.220 --> 00:32:57.059
Sorry to be laughing, but Candyman's just got stuck to the floor.

770
00:32:57.119 --> 00:32:58.920
And it's just hilarious.

771
00:32:58.980 --> 00:33:03.180
And it, um, so I don't think killing Margaret Thatcher.

772
00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:06.059
I think that would have been kind of mean spirited sort of thing.

773
00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:08.579
I just felt that one of her henchmen may have.

774
00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:13.319
But I mean, obviously it is the Candyman that gets turned into...

775
00:33:13.380 --> 00:33:16.740
You can lock up a transdimensional gene marsh.

776
00:33:16.859 --> 00:33:17.220
Yeah, yeah.

777
00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:19.019
We didn't kill Jean Marsh next year.

778
00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:20.460
Gilbert.

779
00:33:21.660 --> 00:33:27.059
Candyman has a huge, has a huge mixer in his kitchen just there.

780
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:28.559
It's all this sort of 50s.

781
00:33:28.740 --> 00:33:29.940
Yes, yeah, it's amazing.

782
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:31.680
Well, look, that's on a tilt as well.

783
00:33:31.740 --> 00:33:36.839
There's a look at the radio on top of the on top of the poker

784
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:38.099
machine there as well.

785
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:41.279
It's again, very 50s. you know, sort of baker light radio.

786
00:33:41.339 --> 00:33:45.359
It's interesting, these characters, because I think that Priscilla

787
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:49.740
P is written and is specified later in the script as a fanatic.

788
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:53.519
Whereas because her performance is more subdued, maybe more

789
00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:56.819
controlled, actually Daisy K comes off as the fanatic.

790
00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:58.980
Yeah, she seems more mental, doesn't she?

791
00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:03.420
But they're just a great combination. both of them People have

792
00:34:03.420 --> 00:34:06.059
said, you know, there's a problem in that no one in the story is

793
00:34:06.059 --> 00:34:07.980
happy, but clearly that's the point.

794
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:10.619
Like nobody is actually happy.

795
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:13.079
Yeah, they're all super miserable.

796
00:34:13.139 --> 00:34:14.820
Like she's complaining.

797
00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:21.420
Oh, poor old Susie Q. Can we talk about how great she is?

798
00:34:21.539 --> 00:34:22.920
Phenomenally good.

799
00:34:22.980 --> 00:34:24.840
I mean, she was great in front of yours.

800
00:34:24.900 --> 00:34:26.880
I was in love with her in Frontios.

801
00:34:26.940 --> 00:34:28.019
I thought she was spectacular.

802
00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:31.559
Like I just adored her in Frontios and was so excited to see her

803
00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:31.800
back.

804
00:34:31.860 --> 00:34:36.480
Was she any other, like, long-term series or anything?

805
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:38.280
She was a mate December, wasn't she?

806
00:34:38.340 --> 00:34:39.900
She was...

807
00:34:39.900 --> 00:34:41.579
May.

808
00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:42.360
Oh, okay.

809
00:34:42.420 --> 00:34:43.980
Who was December?

810
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:48.059
Yeah, Leslie Donald. talking about Leslie Donald, I just thought

811
00:34:48.059 --> 00:34:50.219
that she would have had a bigger star.

812
00:34:50.940 --> 00:34:51.539
Because she's gray.

813
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:52.739
She's great.

814
00:34:52.739 --> 00:34:54.239
How long did you made December go for it?

815
00:34:54.300 --> 00:34:56.219
It was a long running zitcom.

816
00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:56.880
Okay.

817
00:34:56.940 --> 00:34:58.320
Sorry, I'm not familiar with it.

818
00:34:58.380 --> 00:35:06.599
It's basically she's a woman in her... 20s and she's married to an

819
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:10.619
older gentleman and it's a whole sort of, is it a 90 sitcom or?

820
00:35:10.619 --> 00:35:13.380
I think it was 90s or maybe late 80s.

821
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:13.860
Okay.

822
00:35:13.860 --> 00:35:18.360
Um, it could have actually been later than that, but yeah, it was

823
00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:19.199
quite enjoyable.

824
00:35:19.260 --> 00:35:20.519
I just love this fact.

825
00:35:20.579 --> 00:35:24.719
He's just going about, like, he's stuck to the floor and...

826
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:28.139
The scenes are gold.

827
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:29.519
Rant and rave.

828
00:35:29.579 --> 00:35:31.800
Well, there's that thing too.

829
00:35:31.860 --> 00:35:34.559
Remember where he says, oh, I thought of a way of unsticking you.

830
00:35:34.619 --> 00:35:39.480
And but then I forgot, but I wrote it down on a note, but then I

831
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:39.960
lost the note.

832
00:35:40.019 --> 00:35:41.639
That's one of the missing scenes.

833
00:35:44.820 --> 00:35:48.239
So talking about Leslie Dunlop, she was actually married to

834
00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:50.820
Christopher Guard, Bellboy in Greatest Show.

835
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:51.360
Oh wow.

836
00:35:51.420 --> 00:35:52.679
He's an attractive couple.

837
00:35:52.739 --> 00:35:54.059
Yeah, very much so.

838
00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:54.719
Oh, wow.

839
00:35:54.780 --> 00:35:57.539
And Todd, did you watch Emmerdale at some point?

840
00:35:57.599 --> 00:35:58.440
Yes, I did.

841
00:35:58.500 --> 00:35:59.760
Yeah, she's in Emmerdale.

842
00:35:59.820 --> 00:36:00.900
Oh, I'm a fool, of course.

843
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:02.519
Yeah, she is in Emmerdale.

844
00:36:02.579 --> 00:36:02.760
Yes.

845
00:36:02.820 --> 00:36:03.539
Yes, yes, yes.

846
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:05.099
And you know who she's married to now?

847
00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:07.920
You know who plays Pollard in Emmerdale in real life?

848
00:36:07.980 --> 00:36:09.239
Eric Pollard.

849
00:36:09.300 --> 00:36:09.659
Yeah.

850
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:11.340
Oh, wow.

851
00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:12.659
I would never have thought that.

852
00:36:12.659 --> 00:36:13.260
Isn't that amazing?

853
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:15.000
I think there's quite an age difference.

854
00:36:15.059 --> 00:36:16.739
Yes, I think so.

855
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:17.579
May to December.

856
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:18.659
Exactly.

857
00:36:18.659 --> 00:36:22.619
Ah, she's so good.

858
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:25.679
It's so wonderful Don't those weeks look great in close-up?

859
00:36:25.739 --> 00:36:27.960
Well, she's got a hero wig, as I said before.

860
00:36:28.019 --> 00:36:31.440
She was also in a production of Phoenix and the Carpet, but not

861
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:32.099
the same one.

862
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:34.079
I just think of them as a nice bovo.

863
00:36:34.619 --> 00:36:37.199
I don't know why I just do.

864
00:36:37.260 --> 00:36:39.360
Yeah, no, purple and pink, absolutely.

865
00:36:39.420 --> 00:36:41.820
And a bit of coconut.

866
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:44.400
These wonderful scenes.

867
00:36:44.460 --> 00:36:46.739
I mean, they're obviously very cheap sets, but they've turned the

868
00:36:46.739 --> 00:36:49.500
lighting so far down that you can barely see the actors' faces.

869
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:50.880
Wicked.

870
00:36:50.940 --> 00:36:53.820
I've really struggled to understand what these guys said the 1st

871
00:36:53.820 --> 00:36:56.219
time through and over the years, obviously, I've worked out what

872
00:36:56.219 --> 00:36:59.280
they've said, but on initial broadcast, it's like, what are they

873
00:36:59.280 --> 00:36:59.579
saying?

874
00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:00.119
Yeah.

875
00:37:00.179 --> 00:37:04.380
We spoke quite a bit about this when we were on the real McCoy?

876
00:37:04.500 --> 00:37:07.320
Because why what are they for?

877
00:37:07.380 --> 00:37:09.059
Like, why are they here?

878
00:37:09.659 --> 00:37:14.099
So episode 2 makes it clear the political thing because the

879
00:37:14.099 --> 00:37:19.320
depression, which is introduced at the beginning of episode 2, is

880
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:21.719
a political protest about factory conditions.

881
00:37:21.780 --> 00:37:25.320
You know, it is very explicitly a labour protest.

882
00:37:25.380 --> 00:37:28.199
And here there's something about colonialism.

883
00:37:28.260 --> 00:37:31.920
You know, they've colonised this planet, but it has...

884
00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:32.699
They're indigenous people.

885
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:34.380
Yeah, it has indigenous people there.

886
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:36.539
And they're oppressing them.

887
00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:40.199
And it's kind of hard to fit that into a kind of English context.

888
00:37:40.260 --> 00:37:45.179
But, but, and I think you said this when we were doing Real McCoy

889
00:37:45.179 --> 00:37:50.639
They, it had to, they had to tick the monster box in a way.

890
00:37:50.699 --> 00:37:53.340
And probably went a little too far.

891
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:56.579
I mean, that's something that we could probably have done without

892
00:37:56.579 --> 00:38:03.119
but, you know, we get the fact is that they are involved in the

893
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:05.039
resolution of the story as well.

894
00:38:05.099 --> 00:38:10.500
Um, and I guess, you know, being an evil colonialist is just

895
00:38:10.500 --> 00:38:13.679
another thing that we can say makes Helena terrible.

896
00:38:15.300 --> 00:38:19.679
Maybe she's connected to Power of Kroll in some way.

897
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:25.500
Is there an element of sort of tamping down the working classes as

898
00:38:25.500 --> 00:38:25.679
well?

899
00:38:26.099 --> 00:38:28.019
Yeah, I think so.

900
00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:33.539
So the depression, the depression is, you know, the depression is

901
00:38:33.539 --> 00:38:35.579
workers, isn't it?

902
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:37.860
The, the, the, could the pipe tests?

903
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:42.480
Yeah, it sounds like a weather condition, but it's actually

904
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:44.940
describing an emotional condition.

905
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:46.320
Well, no, a political decision.

906
00:38:46.380 --> 00:38:47.760
But it is a political thing.

907
00:38:47.820 --> 00:38:54.599
Like, again, she is characterising dissent as... yeah as

908
00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:55.199
unhappiness.

909
00:38:55.260 --> 00:38:56.460
And you get it all the time.

910
00:38:56.519 --> 00:38:58.320
Like tone policing is a thing as well.

911
00:38:58.380 --> 00:39:01.800
We've, you know, in this situation recently where people have been

912
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:05.820
saying that they object to being disagreed with on social media by

913
00:39:05.820 --> 00:39:07.079
people who are angry at them.

914
00:39:07.739 --> 00:39:11.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah. all of this sort of stuff And the idea that

915
00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:15.719
political debate has to be done from sort of this sort of Olympian

916
00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:20.460
kind of, you know, in this sort of calm, detached sort of way

917
00:39:20.460 --> 00:39:25.860
requiring people who are being oppressed to be calm and nice when

918
00:39:25.860 --> 00:39:27.179
they engage with you.

919
00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:30.780
You know, that behaviour, their existence.

920
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:31.440
That's it.

921
00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:32.340
That's right.

922
00:39:32.460 --> 00:39:37.019
And so that idea, and it's not, it's not, um, you know, invented

923
00:39:37.019 --> 00:39:42.539
by Graham Curry, there's a, there's a hilarious faulty, uh, faulty

924
00:39:42.539 --> 00:39:46.800
Towers, a Monty Python sketch, um, called Happy Valley, where

925
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:50.099
everyone who's miserable is put to death, along with the trade

926
00:39:50.099 --> 00:39:51.000
union leaders.

927
00:39:51.539 --> 00:39:57.840
You know, this is just about my favourite Fifi moment coming up.

928
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:04.079
Just at the very end of the scene, I just think is so, so superb.

929
00:40:04.860 --> 00:40:07.739
Look at Fee Fee.

930
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:10.980
And then Fifi's Fifi's about to do a snarl, which I just think is

931
00:40:10.980 --> 00:40:12.239
absolutely superb.

932
00:40:12.300 --> 00:40:13.019
Here we go.

933
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:15.420
You know the waiting zones.

934
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:18.840
There it is Look at that, look at the teeth.

935
00:40:18.900 --> 00:40:19.619
Look at the teeth.

936
00:40:20.039 --> 00:40:22.440
He looks like he's about to fart.

937
00:40:22.500 --> 00:40:25.860
You know, the waiting zones were actually a limitation of the

938
00:40:25.860 --> 00:40:26.219
plot.

939
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:28.679
There was originally supposed to be a prison.

940
00:40:28.739 --> 00:40:29.400
A prison set.

941
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:31.199
And they couldn't. afford it.

942
00:40:31.260 --> 00:40:36.960
So they decided, well, well, we'll make that actually a feature of

943
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:37.440
the plot.

944
00:40:37.500 --> 00:40:38.460
I mean, that's fantastic.

945
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:40.920
Can you imagine Eric Saywood coming up with anything half as

946
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:41.639
clever as that?

947
00:40:41.699 --> 00:40:42.719
Yeah, yeah.

948
00:40:42.780 --> 00:40:46.559
Yeah, like turning the limitations of your budget into a positive

949
00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:46.739
thing.

950
00:40:46.860 --> 00:40:51.480
Well, and getting them to, it's thematically about their refusal

951
00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:54.239
to accept that they're an impressive regime.

952
00:40:54.300 --> 00:40:55.559
We don't have prisons.

953
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:58.019
Everyone's happy on terra alpha.

954
00:40:58.079 --> 00:40:59.760
There's no prisons there, praising.

955
00:40:59.820 --> 00:41:00.480
Look at man pain.

956
00:41:00.539 --> 00:41:03.480
It's one of those serendipity moments where everything's firing

957
00:41:03.480 --> 00:41:07.559
again, in the show and so you get these moments where they take a

958
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:10.019
negative and they turn it into something that just adds to it.

959
00:41:10.500 --> 00:41:11.940
Yeah.

960
00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:16.260
The shot there of the 2 snipers who were just introduced.

961
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:20.099
It shows how much they were able to get out of these sets and that

962
00:41:20.099 --> 00:41:23.280
the studio is extremely small and the sets are just reused

963
00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:24.900
constantly and shot from different angles.

964
00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:26.579
So that redressed.

965
00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:30.900
Yeah, that balcony where the snipers are standing is actually part

966
00:41:30.900 --> 00:41:32.460
of the execution chamber.

967
00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:33.960
They've just turned down the lights on it.

968
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:36.960
It hung up black drape underneath.

969
00:41:37.500 --> 00:41:41.820
Now, some of the scenes that get cut out in episodes 2 and 3 are

970
00:41:41.820 --> 00:41:44.820
all about how much Helena loves Fifi, and obviously that's super

971
00:41:44.820 --> 00:41:46.679
important to the resolution of the story.

972
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:51.599
Here, the scene where she's leafing through a photo album of

973
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:55.559
lovely pictures of her with Phoebe when everyone comes in

974
00:41:55.559 --> 00:41:58.260
publicity shots from the...

975
00:41:58.260 --> 00:42:01.079
It's that thing that they used to do in series all the time in the

976
00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:03.420
70s, but when you'd have sort of a photo of someone.

977
00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:05.760
In fact, it's like Aunt Vanessa, Tegan's Aunt Vanessa.

978
00:42:05.820 --> 00:42:06.960
It's not a happy snap.

979
00:42:07.019 --> 00:42:08.280
It's her spotlight, obviously.

980
00:42:09.539 --> 00:42:13.860
But those photos, again, the artificiality of them, the fact that

981
00:42:13.860 --> 00:42:17.760
they look like publicity shots, you know, they're not, they're not

982
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:21.960
spontaneous pictures or anything, but she does love Fifi and

983
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:23.159
that's super, super important.

984
00:42:23.219 --> 00:42:27.239
She's, you know, she doesn't love Joseph C. you know there's no

985
00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:27.780
sign of that.

986
00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:28.739
He's gay.

987
00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:31.500
I love this interview between the doctor and her.

988
00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:32.280
Me too.

989
00:42:32.340 --> 00:42:34.079
It's got one of my favourite lines in the whole story.

990
00:42:34.139 --> 00:42:35.639
No more cues at the post office.

991
00:42:35.699 --> 00:42:36.300
Yes.

992
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:37.320
Yes.

993
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:40.679
Trevor Sigma is just brilliant.

994
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:45.059
I think John Warmington is so different from...

995
00:42:45.059 --> 00:42:45.659
Morgas.

996
00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:48.840
Recognisable instantly to a Doctor Who fan.

997
00:42:48.900 --> 00:42:51.119
But he's just brilliant.

998
00:42:51.420 --> 00:42:54.179
She didn't ask him to change his coat, though.

999
00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:57.960
John Normington said that even though it was a very happy

1000
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:01.500
production, there was a sense that the entire team was exhausted

1001
00:43:01.500 --> 00:43:04.559
by everything that had happened during the year with Greatest Show

1002
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:07.980
having to go on to location and then having no time to make silver

1003
00:43:07.980 --> 00:43:10.260
nemesis, he said, they just got to this and you could tell that

1004
00:43:10.260 --> 00:43:11.579
the cast and crew were exhausted.

1005
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:13.260
There you go.

1006
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:16.500
This is where we've gone over 500,000 disappearances.

1007
00:43:16.739 --> 00:43:19.440
That weariness probably adds to it, though.

1008
00:43:19.500 --> 00:43:20.400
Oh, that's true.

1009
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:25.019
So basically she'd controlled the population down by one-tenth of

1010
00:43:25.019 --> 00:43:35.099
the happiness patrol's average rating. 17% of the people have been

1011
00:43:35.099 --> 00:43:35.460
killed.

1012
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:39.000
Like this is the other thing too, the scale, like the fact that

1013
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:43.920
she has ordered half a 1000000 deaths puts her, you know, in the

1014
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:45.659
same kind of realm as the Daleks.

1015
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:47.519
I mean, you know, like it's it's crazy.

1016
00:43:47.579 --> 00:43:53.340
I love the way he just takes the, um, all those things with him to

1017
00:43:53.340 --> 00:43:56.760
go to the candy kitchen or the, the, the, like the, um, the, the

1018
00:43:56.760 --> 00:43:57.960
farm extinguisher.

1019
00:43:58.019 --> 00:43:58.260
Sorry.

1020
00:43:58.260 --> 00:44:03.000
It's, you know, the way that he kind of tricks John Normington's

1021
00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:06.179
character into just he's not allowed to ask him.

1022
00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:07.739
No one's allowed to ask him any questions.

1023
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:08.940
Was that a question?

1024
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:11.159
No, okay, then I'll say it.

1025
00:44:11.219 --> 00:44:14.760
Like, somehow he's just gained control of the situation just by

1026
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:16.079
kind of bluster and stuff.

1027
00:44:16.139 --> 00:44:18.539
It's clever is what it is.

1028
00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:21.960
And Doctor Who hadn't actually been clever for a little while and

1029
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:22.619
suddenly it is again.

1030
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:24.119
They still lives.

1031
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:29.400
The early archetype of the Matt Smith, doctor, you know, that sort

1032
00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:33.239
of angel that falls from the heavens destroys your world and then

1033
00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:33.659
disappears.

1034
00:44:33.780 --> 00:44:34.679
Yeah.

1035
00:44:34.739 --> 00:44:37.199
He falls out of the sky and tears down your world.

1036
00:44:37.260 --> 00:44:37.739
Yeah.

1037
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:39.840
I mean, we've had it before.

1038
00:44:39.900 --> 00:44:43.980
I think the savages is the er text for this, isn't it?

1039
00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:46.800
The savages is the 1st time the doctor just comes in and smashes

1040
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:48.960
an oppressive society and then leaves.

1041
00:44:49.019 --> 00:44:50.699
But remember, they were painted gold.

1042
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:52.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry.

1043
00:44:52.260 --> 00:44:56.940
But I guess the other one is the one that's most similar is

1044
00:44:56.940 --> 00:44:58.500
Sunmakers, isn't it?

1045
00:44:58.559 --> 00:44:58.860
Yeah.

1046
00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:02.760
And it's one night, which it is in the Sunmakers as well.

1047
00:45:02.820 --> 00:45:06.300
But he just comes here for a night and tears down a brutal

1048
00:45:06.300 --> 00:45:07.739
oppressive political ratio.

1049
00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:11.099
Originally, it was supposed to take place over 2 or 3 weeks. in

1050
00:45:11.099 --> 00:45:15.420
the original script and because of the limitations of the of the

1051
00:45:15.420 --> 00:45:17.280
budget, They decided to cut it down to one night.

1052
00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:19.440
But one night is so effective.

1053
00:45:19.500 --> 00:45:22.440
It works easily, but you still do have echos of that, such as

1054
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:24.599
where Thifi gets injured in the pipes.

1055
00:45:24.659 --> 00:45:28.079
And then you have Helena taking off the wrappings later and going

1056
00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:29.699
oh, you're better now after what, an hour?

1057
00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:31.800
Well, he's an Alsarian dog.

1058
00:45:31.860 --> 00:45:37.260
I just said they were super effective bandages that super healed

1059
00:45:37.260 --> 00:45:37.679
that creature.

1060
00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:40.019
Yeah, those times from inside the spaceship.

1061
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:40.559
Yes.

1062
00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:42.900
I borrowed them from Hartnell.

1063
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:46.019
It's super cartoonish is the effect of it, isn't it?

1064
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:49.980
Like you put the bandages on, like there's, it's funny that that

1065
00:45:49.980 --> 00:45:50.820
oh, here we go.

1066
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:54.119
Now, this scene is wonderful, and the performances of these 2 in

1067
00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:55.320
very small parts are great.

1068
00:45:55.380 --> 00:46:00.420
In fact, the other guy gets most of his lines, you know, there is

1069
00:46:00.420 --> 00:46:03.420
another deleted scene with these guys earlier on.

1070
00:46:03.900 --> 00:46:08.880
And clearly the guy who isn't pointing the gun at the doctor is

1071
00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:12.539
already dissatisfied with the political regime.

1072
00:46:12.780 --> 00:46:16.860
Like, and you know, isn't as obsessed with guns as this guy.

1073
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:21.840
I can't imagine a scene like this, which is um, just a superb

1074
00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:26.280
character scene, cropping up um, earlier in the 80s.

1075
00:46:26.340 --> 00:46:27.420
No, no.

1076
00:46:27.420 --> 00:46:29.880
They just weren't writing to this sort of standard.

1077
00:46:30.780 --> 00:46:32.760
It's so good.

1078
00:46:32.820 --> 00:46:36.300
Oh, also, because the scriptor did a thought that looking people

1079
00:46:36.300 --> 00:46:40.679
in the eye and pulling a trigger was a right thing to do and that

1080
00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:44.340
Pete should really have just blown Davros' head off and not doing

1081
00:46:44.340 --> 00:46:45.480
that was a moral failing.

1082
00:46:45.539 --> 00:46:49.920
I don't understand these people who say that McCoy can't do anger

1083
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:52.320
in... sometimes he can't.

1084
00:46:52.380 --> 00:46:54.599
No, well, he can't he can't do shouty.

1085
00:46:54.719 --> 00:47:00.659
Yeah, I think. and that really is really reductive.

1086
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:04.860
Like, I think he's actually great at doing quiet anger.

1087
00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:08.579
Well, that one in episode one where Ace, you know, where he's

1088
00:47:08.579 --> 00:47:13.019
grabbing Ace and trying to calm her down and assuring her that, yes

1089
00:47:13.019 --> 00:47:14.219
we will be making that.

1090
00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:16.019
It's the shouting that doesn't really well.

1091
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:20.579
And that I think people just paint his entire era with that

1092
00:47:20.579 --> 00:47:20.940
brush.

1093
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:24.960
Look, I don't think Sylvester McCoy is a very subtle actor and

1094
00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:28.320
certainly he's not as good as some of his predecessors.

1095
00:47:28.380 --> 00:47:32.280
Look, I'll say like in that sequence, he skates a very fine line

1096
00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:34.739
between not pulling it off and pulling it off.

1097
00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:35.340
I agree.

1098
00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:38.039
And so sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

1099
00:47:38.099 --> 00:47:41.340
There's some faces that work, sometimes not.

1100
00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:41.940
So, yeah.

1101
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:44.820
I do think, though, he's an interesting performer.

1102
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:46.679
You know, in the way that, say, Tom is.

1103
00:47:46.739 --> 00:47:48.659
Like he's he's interesting to watch.

1104
00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:49.679
He's not as big as Tom.

1105
00:47:49.739 --> 00:47:50.340
No one is.

1106
00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:52.860
But, well, maybe Colin is.

1107
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:58.380
But, um, he, you know, he's, he's just interesting to watch.

1108
00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:01.860
And his take on the doctor is so good.

1109
00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:05.340
That's what Tom always said that the part was actor proof.

1110
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:07.019
And I think Sylvester proves it.

1111
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:09.360
I'm not getting to him because I think he's, you know, very good

1112
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:13.320
in places, but it proves that if you're an idiosyncratic actor, you

1113
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:15.780
can make the part your own, you don't have to be a brilliant actor

1114
00:48:15.780 --> 00:48:16.199
to do it.

1115
00:48:16.260 --> 00:48:20.940
I think they're also, we forget this is quite early in Sylvester's

1116
00:48:20.940 --> 00:48:22.920
acting career.

1117
00:48:22.980 --> 00:48:24.780
He done light entertainment.

1118
00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:31.380
He'd done a lot of, you know, stage comedy, but this is actually

1119
00:48:31.380 --> 00:48:33.960
in a lot of ways, his big break.

1120
00:48:34.019 --> 00:48:36.539
He's become a better actor since this.

1121
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:40.320
This scene, which is going on now, I think, is superbly well

1122
00:48:40.320 --> 00:48:42.780
directed, you can follow exactly what's going on.

1123
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:44.280
All the shots mean something.

1124
00:48:44.340 --> 00:48:46.559
The music really builds to a crescendo.

1125
00:48:46.619 --> 00:48:49.320
I think this is an example of what I was saying earlier, where I

1126
00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:52.559
think Chris Clough gets out of the way sometimes and lets it

1127
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:52.920
happen.

1128
00:48:52.980 --> 00:48:55.920
That could have been shot in a more stylised way, but I think it

1129
00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:57.000
works brilliantly the way it is.

1130
00:48:57.659 --> 00:49:02.039
I do think it does, however, look like that, so Fildred is just

1131
00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:02.880
waiting to come down that.

1132
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:04.679
Yeah, yeah, that's slide.

1133
00:49:04.739 --> 00:49:06.960
That's the one criticism, that's like one foot long.

1134
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:09.599
Rules of the system.

1135
00:49:09.659 --> 00:49:11.699
I love his yellow tie. have that, thanks.

1136
00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:12.239
Yeah.

1137
00:49:12.300 --> 00:49:14.219
The whole outfit is brilliant.

1138
00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:18.119
Just the fact that he looks like a sort of mid-20th century man

1139
00:49:18.119 --> 00:49:20.699
who works in the civil service.

1140
00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:25.019
He looks like a timelord should show up to tell off John Pertway.

1141
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:26.519
I'm a candyman of my word.

1142
00:49:26.639 --> 00:49:28.199
I think that's brilliant.

1143
00:49:28.260 --> 00:49:30.900
And you see, that's what's great about the Candyman, is that he

1144
00:49:30.900 --> 00:49:32.460
actually is a Candyman of his work.

1145
00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:33.300
Yes, yeah, yeah.

1146
00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:36.119
And then it's like, well, you know, here we go again.

1147
00:49:38.219 --> 00:49:41.519
Do you think we knew that he was going to do that when he stole

1148
00:49:41.519 --> 00:49:43.139
the lemonade or...?

1149
00:49:43.139 --> 00:49:46.440
I've never noticed that the thinking of the background is a giant

1150
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:47.099
KitchenAid.

1151
00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:48.780
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1152
00:49:48.840 --> 00:49:49.440
Yeah, yeah.

1153
00:49:49.619 --> 00:49:51.599
We have one at home.

1154
00:49:51.900 --> 00:49:53.639
What colour?

1155
00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:55.679
sort of yellow.

1156
00:49:55.739 --> 00:49:59.880
I always adore these scenes where the companion and the villain

1157
00:49:59.880 --> 00:50:02.219
get their own confrontations.

1158
00:50:02.219 --> 00:50:03.599
It's brilliant.

1159
00:50:03.659 --> 00:50:05.460
Sarah used to get them all the time.

1160
00:50:06.539 --> 00:50:11.340
I love this too. again, there's an extended scene. where some just

1161
00:50:11.340 --> 00:50:15.119
random Terra Alphans walk past and Sylvester plays the spoons on

1162
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:15.300
them.

1163
00:50:16.380 --> 00:50:18.960
That was definitely kind. cut for a reason.

1164
00:50:19.019 --> 00:50:21.059
It's actually quite fun.

1165
00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:22.260
I think, oh.

1166
00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:25.739
Now this is my favourite cliffhanger of the 1980s and one of my

1167
00:50:25.739 --> 00:50:29.820
favourite cliffhangers of the entire classic series and it's an

1168
00:50:29.820 --> 00:50:30.239
accident.

1169
00:50:30.300 --> 00:50:33.780
Yeah, it wasn't going to be the original Cliffhanger.

1170
00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:34.199
Really?

1171
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:37.199
And it's much better than what the original Cliffhanger was.

1172
00:50:37.260 --> 00:50:38.579
And I tell you what I like.

1173
00:50:38.699 --> 00:50:41.760
You've got this guy who is the, like, the ticket seller who is

1174
00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:43.079
incredibly good.

1175
00:50:43.139 --> 00:50:44.159
Phenomenal.

1176
00:50:44.219 --> 00:50:46.800
And did we talk earlier about the fact that he has a missing scene

1177
00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:48.119
where he's equally good?

1178
00:50:48.179 --> 00:50:50.039
Yeah, his introduction scene is cut.

1179
00:50:50.099 --> 00:50:51.480
It's this music.

1180
00:50:51.480 --> 00:50:57.480
And the music, it is the music and that line, I don't think Daphne

1181
00:50:57.480 --> 00:51:00.300
S went down to, it doesn't look like Daphne S went down too well

1182
00:51:00.300 --> 00:51:01.260
now, does it?

1183
00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:03.780
Sorry, but it's just...

1184
00:51:03.780 --> 00:51:04.860
Brilliant.

1185
00:51:04.920 --> 00:51:08.940
Because she's dead and they're painting RIP in pink paint on her

1186
00:51:08.940 --> 00:51:10.440
on her poster.

1187
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:13.139
And it's also the final shot as well.

1188
00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:16.739
This, I mean, for God's sake, because look at Paul Daphne S. bless

1189
00:51:16.739 --> 00:51:17.099
her.

1190
00:51:17.340 --> 00:51:21.539
And the camera work looks like an engine on Sylvester and version

1191
00:51:21.539 --> 00:51:22.860
of Fatty Toxic.

1192
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:24.360
She's in the background there.

1193
00:51:24.420 --> 00:51:27.000
She's trapped because she's just a photograph.

1194
00:51:27.059 --> 00:51:29.219
There's, you know, it's so good.

1195
00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:30.480
It's so beautifully done.

1196
00:51:30.539 --> 00:51:33.539
That happiness before I remember, she's the go to one.

1197
00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:35.940
She's the best of the rest and she's often in a lot of shots

1198
00:51:35.940 --> 00:51:39.480
because she's just a little bit more in your face than the rest of

1199
00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:41.760
it. quite animated, isn't it?

1200
00:51:42.239 --> 00:51:44.219
That line as well.

1201
00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:46.679
I mean, we still use that line.

1202
00:51:46.739 --> 00:51:49.019
I can't do anything without my list now, can I?

1203
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:55.019
Yeah, he's such an angry jobsworth, isn't he?

1204
00:51:56.760 --> 00:52:03.239
I think Cornell Day and topping point him out, perhaps, in the

1205
00:52:03.239 --> 00:52:08.159
discontinuity guide, as a particularly grumpy Terra Alf, and, but

1206
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:10.920
you know, makes the point that that is really the point of the

1207
00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:11.159
story.

1208
00:52:11.219 --> 00:52:12.480
Correct.

1209
00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:15.480
Thank you, Don Babbage.

1210
00:52:15.539 --> 00:52:17.400
What a great job you did on this story.

1211
00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:20.099
Don did a lot of stories, didn't he?

1212
00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:21.780
He did. did a lot of the 80s, I think.

1213
00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:25.320
Yeah, yeah. his name comes up all the time And John Asbridge, who's

1214
00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:25.679
just amazing.

1215
00:52:26.820 --> 00:52:28.440
Excuse me.

1216
00:52:28.500 --> 00:52:30.780
Did he design anything else or was this his only one?

1217
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:35.340
I think he did Silver Nemesis and Delter and Dragonfire.

1218
00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:36.719
I think he worked with Chris Cloth a lot.

1219
00:52:36.780 --> 00:52:37.199
Right.

1220
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:38.219
And he may have done others.

1221
00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:42.900
Like the production crew on this are some of the better production

1222
00:52:42.900 --> 00:52:44.820
crew from the classic series.

1223
00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:46.800
I mean, you've got Dork and Radzik.

1224
00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:48.179
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1225
00:52:48.239 --> 00:52:51.719
Um, and Richard Croft.

1226
00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:54.480
Like he did like Morden, didn't he?

1227
00:52:54.539 --> 00:52:57.360
Oh, are the costume designer?

1228
00:52:57.420 --> 00:52:58.500
Yeah, yeah.

1229
00:52:58.559 --> 00:53:01.619
Oh, and Sylvan Nemesis, and Dulchant Dragon.

1230
00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:02.460
No, so there you go.

1231
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:04.559
He got it. group of people that he works for.

1232
00:53:04.619 --> 00:53:08.219
You see, I think Delta is up there with Chris's best work, Chris

1233
00:53:08.219 --> 00:53:08.760
Clough.

1234
00:53:08.820 --> 00:53:13.199
I think this and Delta and the Bannerman have a cohesive feel to

1235
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:14.460
them where it all comes together.

1236
00:53:14.460 --> 00:53:17.639
And in fact, this story, for many years after its original

1237
00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:23.099
broadcast was not very popular and was compared with the Paradise

1238
00:53:23.099 --> 00:53:26.280
Towers as being something where it had just kind of careened off

1239
00:53:26.280 --> 00:53:28.619
the rails and was something weird and oddball story.

1240
00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:31.320
Yeah, whereas this is actually completely different from Paradise

1241
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:34.980
Towers in that Paradise Towers suffers from, I think, a lack of

1242
00:53:34.980 --> 00:53:35.940
directorial vision.

1243
00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:38.579
So you've got performances all over the place on the different

1244
00:53:38.579 --> 00:53:39.000
page.

1245
00:53:39.059 --> 00:53:41.519
You've got a production, which is sometimes working against the

1246
00:53:41.519 --> 00:53:42.059
script.

1247
00:53:42.119 --> 00:53:45.000
Why this works is that everything is on the same page and

1248
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:45.960
everything's pulling together.

1249
00:53:46.019 --> 00:53:46.619
Yeah.

1250
00:53:46.619 --> 00:53:49.320
So Sylla B didn't go down very well.

1251
00:53:52.380 --> 00:53:54.360
Oh here she comes.

1252
00:53:55.380 --> 00:53:59.340
Yeah, so this is the original Cliffhanger, and you can see the

1253
00:53:59.340 --> 00:54:01.619
close-up Cliffhanger shot.

1254
00:54:01.679 --> 00:54:02.519
And it's stupid.

1255
00:54:02.579 --> 00:54:03.179
It's boring.

1256
00:54:03.239 --> 00:54:03.900
It's showtime.

1257
00:54:03.960 --> 00:54:05.639
I just don't think that's anywhere near.

1258
00:54:05.699 --> 00:54:06.780
Whoever made that decision.

1259
00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:07.920
Great decision.

1260
00:54:07.980 --> 00:54:08.460
I agree.

1261
00:54:08.699 --> 00:54:11.579
Oh, look, and it's the magic...

1262
00:54:11.579 --> 00:54:12.659
Magic healing tape.

1263
00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:14.519
Where are the red stripes?

1264
00:54:14.579 --> 00:54:17.579
Well, they've they've Disappeared.

1265
00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:18.480
Yeah, he's almost healed.

1266
00:54:18.539 --> 00:54:19.320
Yeah, that's exactly it.

1267
00:54:19.380 --> 00:54:22.739
Why does Helena have commas and or apostrophes all over her

1268
00:54:22.739 --> 00:54:23.219
wallpaper?

1269
00:54:23.340 --> 00:54:24.480
No, very strange.

1270
00:54:24.539 --> 00:54:32.039
And she's watching a scene from episode 2 of the same story.

1271
00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:34.559
How post-modern.

1272
00:54:35.460 --> 00:54:39.000
But I mean, this is very Orwellian in a way, isn't it?

1273
00:54:39.059 --> 00:54:40.920
I mean, she is she's big brother.

1274
00:54:40.980 --> 00:54:42.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1275
00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:42.780
Watching everything.

1276
00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:44.039
It's basically 1984.

1277
00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:46.260
This guy's amazing.

1278
00:54:46.380 --> 00:54:51.900
He may actually be one of the very best guest actors in a small

1279
00:54:51.900 --> 00:54:53.519
role ever in Doctor Who.

1280
00:54:53.579 --> 00:54:55.920
I agree with you, Peter 125%.

1281
00:54:55.980 --> 00:54:59.579
So there's a scene in part 2 where the doctor's escaping from

1282
00:54:59.579 --> 00:55:03.420
Helena's palace and he 1st meets him for the 1st time.

1283
00:55:03.480 --> 00:55:06.000
This is the bit that Alfie thought was particularly convincing.

1284
00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:09.719
And he's not a smart dog.

1285
00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:15.179
And the doctor's hiding behind a column or something like that.

1286
00:55:15.179 --> 00:55:19.500
And that guy gets to say, hey, or you need a permit to hide there

1287
00:55:19.500 --> 00:55:20.340
which is so great.

1288
00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:25.679
And look, she's acting her socks off in front of this stupid

1289
00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:26.340
puppet.

1290
00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:27.539
It's incredibly great.

1291
00:55:28.139 --> 00:55:30.059
Could you imagine doing that?

1292
00:55:30.659 --> 00:55:33.179
She's so good.

1293
00:55:33.239 --> 00:55:35.280
She absolutely sells it.

1294
00:55:35.340 --> 00:55:39.300
And the thing is, she looks a bit ridiculous with, you know, the

1295
00:55:39.300 --> 00:55:41.699
bright red wig and everything.

1296
00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:44.760
She totally sells it Yeah, absolutely sells it.

1297
00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:47.639
That's also the face paint.

1298
00:55:47.699 --> 00:55:48.239
Yeah.

1299
00:55:48.300 --> 00:55:48.840
Yeah, yeah.

1300
00:55:48.900 --> 00:55:50.400
It's so strange.

1301
00:55:50.460 --> 00:55:51.360
They're great.

1302
00:55:51.780 --> 00:55:54.599
I think what was it that Chris said?

1303
00:55:54.659 --> 00:56:01.559
They were going for kind of a Venetian kind of end of days era, you

1304
00:56:01.559 --> 00:56:04.500
know, sort of a crumbling empire, and that came all the way down

1305
00:56:04.500 --> 00:56:07.199
to kind of, you know, the makeup was cracking on people's faces

1306
00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:08.159
and things like that.

1307
00:56:08.219 --> 00:56:10.920
Well, just the way that there's, you know, the paint, you know

1308
00:56:10.920 --> 00:56:13.920
even in this shot, the background, you can see that like the paint

1309
00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:15.480
is peeling.

1310
00:56:15.539 --> 00:56:18.300
It's not really peeling, but it's painted to kind of look rough.

1311
00:56:18.360 --> 00:56:21.659
I also think some of the sort of weird things where architectural

1312
00:56:21.659 --> 00:56:26.820
features are painted on, you know, which is a...

1313
00:56:26.820 --> 00:56:27.480
Yeah, yeah.

1314
00:56:27.539 --> 00:56:33.719
But I, you know, what occurred to me when I was sort of revisiting

1315
00:56:33.719 --> 00:56:36.780
this story is, This story is incredibly prescient, especially

1316
00:56:36.780 --> 00:56:40.739
given what's been happening in China in the last sort of 5 years

1317
00:56:40.739 --> 00:56:45.300
with the, you know, social rankings, like, you know, like the

1318
00:56:45.300 --> 00:56:48.840
letter denotes how high up in society you are.

1319
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:52.139
It's like it's quite prescient.

1320
00:56:52.619 --> 00:56:58.079
So, I think this is us selling Priscilla P as a fanatic, you know

1321
00:56:58.079 --> 00:56:59.340
that she's, yeah.

1322
00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:01.019
It's interesting having those 2 on that.

1323
00:57:01.079 --> 00:57:02.219
Go-kart.

1324
00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:05.579
I didn't really pick that up very much until the last time I

1325
00:57:05.579 --> 00:57:05.820
watched it.

1326
00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:06.780
Yeah, why is he even there?

1327
00:57:06.900 --> 00:57:11.159
He has a brilliantly funny scene where when the doctor finally

1328
00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:12.239
sort of confronts them.

1329
00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:14.699
I love this so much.

1330
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:18.239
Apparently, they put this in because someone heard Sylvester

1331
00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:20.699
singing in the bar one night and they thought, that's a good idea

1332
00:57:20.760 --> 00:57:21.420
lets incorporate that.

1333
00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:24.840
And having him sing as time goes by as well.

1334
00:57:24.900 --> 00:57:26.159
You know, is perfect.

1335
00:57:26.219 --> 00:57:27.059
He does.

1336
00:57:27.059 --> 00:57:27.840
Yeah.

1337
00:57:27.900 --> 00:57:29.880
Better than the Jason Donovan version, isn't it?

1338
00:57:31.139 --> 00:57:33.599
Yes, Peter, I totally agree.

1339
00:57:34.260 --> 00:57:36.480
That can be said about many.

1340
00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:40.260
Jason Donovan's wonderful vocal. contributions to society.

1341
00:57:40.260 --> 00:57:45.900
In the long-running sitcom featuring Jeffrey Palmer and Judy...

1342
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:46.619
Yes, of course.

1343
00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:49.619
Oh, dear.

1344
00:57:49.679 --> 00:57:51.900
And again, the music at this point is so good.

1345
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:52.920
So good.

1346
00:57:55.980 --> 00:57:57.539
It's funny.

1347
00:57:57.599 --> 00:58:01.440
He actually doesn't have very much dialogue, does he, Joseph C, but

1348
00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:04.139
he does everything with his expressions. so good.

1349
00:58:04.199 --> 00:58:07.079
Weren't those, weren't the pipe people actually pay by children?

1350
00:58:07.139 --> 00:58:08.699
That's what I'd heard as well.

1351
00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:09.360
Yeah.

1352
00:58:09.420 --> 00:58:11.219
Or teenagers.

1353
00:58:11.219 --> 00:58:12.000
Like quarks.

1354
00:58:15.059 --> 00:58:16.800
They're both as intelligible as each other.

1355
00:58:16.860 --> 00:58:19.199
Oh, look at the nimbus of the Happiness Patrol.

1356
00:58:19.260 --> 00:58:20.639
The one on the left is fantastic.

1357
00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:26.760
This is terribly silly.

1358
00:58:27.960 --> 00:58:30.780
It works in the warped logic of the story.

1359
00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:31.619
Of course.

1360
00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:33.659
Of course.

1361
00:58:33.719 --> 00:58:36.900
And in fact, you know, what we've been saying all along is that

1362
00:58:36.900 --> 00:58:39.960
everyone on Terra Alpha is miserable and so the happiness patrols

1363
00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:42.659
start fighting each other because, of course, they're all sort of

1364
00:58:42.659 --> 00:58:43.800
horribly dissatisfied.

1365
00:58:43.980 --> 00:58:47.519
Look at the one in the middle, up the back there, pouting away.

1366
00:58:47.579 --> 00:58:51.300
No, the one on the left has got these pursed lips.

1367
00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:52.920
She looks superb.

1368
00:58:52.980 --> 00:58:53.940
This.

1369
00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:57.719
It's Gilbert M comes in with a line helping the doctor.

1370
00:58:57.780 --> 00:58:59.460
Like, he gets super excited.

1371
00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:04.260
And it's just terrifically funny. here we go They're all just

1372
00:59:04.260 --> 00:59:07.019
waiting for an excuse to revolt, basically.

1373
00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:10.380
Side town back in the middle of that shot or is it a different

1374
00:59:10.380 --> 00:59:10.679
person?

1375
00:59:12.059 --> 00:59:13.920
On the stairs.

1376
00:59:13.980 --> 00:59:15.119
Oh I don't know.

1377
00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:19.199
No, it's I like to think it's Prentice Hancock.

1378
00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:21.659
Grandpa Prince is that.

1379
00:59:23.099 --> 00:59:25.739
Should we talk about section 28.

1380
00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:27.719
What about this Veltschmert?

1381
00:59:27.780 --> 00:59:30.360
This where he supplies the word Velchmet?

1382
00:59:30.539 --> 00:59:33.960
And he's so excited to help the doctor.

1383
00:59:34.019 --> 00:59:37.380
Yeah, well, so section 28, I think we did talk about it at great

1384
00:59:37.380 --> 00:59:39.659
length in our, you know, actual episode.

1385
00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:42.659
An actual episode.

1386
00:59:42.719 --> 00:59:44.699
Well, no, no, no, like our actual episode.

1387
00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:45.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1388
00:59:45.300 --> 00:59:47.039
Otherwise known as Maggie getting the claws out.

1389
00:59:47.099 --> 00:59:48.300
Yeah, yeah.

1390
00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:52.800
So it's, you know, the idea that no counts or money can be spent

1391
00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:57.420
on LGBT on the promotion of homosexuality.

1392
00:59:57.480 --> 00:59:57.960
That's right.

1393
00:59:58.019 --> 01:00:02.340
And so, and it's all happening at this sort of really difficult

1394
01:00:02.340 --> 01:00:04.679
time for the gay community.

1395
01:00:05.460 --> 01:00:08.639
A brutally nasty piece of legislation.

1396
01:00:08.880 --> 01:00:13.619
And, you know, clearly, this is about that as well.

1397
01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:16.320
I just love how they're going for a walk this evening just around

1398
01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:18.659
this table where everybody gets executed.

1399
01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:22.380
That's probably Helena's back garden.

1400
01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:23.940
That's right.

1401
01:00:24.539 --> 01:00:28.079
Take them she takes them out the back and kills them.

1402
01:00:28.139 --> 01:00:30.780
Do you think, do you think that that's from Tracan?

1403
01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:33.539
I kept kind of, you know...

1404
01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:37.199
It's probably from cold it.

1405
01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:40.199
Yeah, so just had it in the proper arm.

1406
01:00:40.199 --> 01:00:42.659
The story just repainted it a different sort of shade of metal.

1407
01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:46.019
It'll turn up in EastEnders in 1998.

1408
01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:46.800
Of course.

1409
01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:50.940
I also love the chandeliers.

1410
01:00:51.059 --> 01:00:55.559
But all over the set, for some reason, outdoors.

1411
01:00:55.619 --> 01:00:58.440
I think these sets are beautiful. absolutely beautiful.

1412
01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:05.219
It's got that brilliant thing in multi-camera studios where

1413
01:01:05.219 --> 01:01:06.900
whenever you have to go down somewhere.

1414
01:01:06.960 --> 01:01:10.860
You have to build up sort of the place where you go in off the

1415
01:01:10.860 --> 01:01:12.659
ground so that people have room to go down.

1416
01:01:13.139 --> 01:01:17.820
It's like, why is this sewer vent raised?

1417
01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:19.920
I love this story so much.

1418
01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:25.139
So much that like my 1st fanzine was called the Happiness Patrol.

1419
01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:25.800
Yeah, yeah.

1420
01:01:25.860 --> 01:01:31.199
Well, I remember editing, didn't I edit Forum Square in...

1421
01:01:31.260 --> 01:01:32.099
Yeah, yeah, for some time.

1422
01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:37.019
And whenever it was a double feature, it was the forum rectangle.

1423
01:01:44.699 --> 01:01:47.400
I could watch these 3 all day long.

1424
01:01:47.460 --> 01:01:48.239
Oh, yeah.

1425
01:01:48.300 --> 01:01:49.619
And even this line.

1426
01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:51.059
You're in the waiting zone, wait.

1427
01:01:52.619 --> 01:01:54.599
Poor Priscilla.

1428
01:01:55.440 --> 01:01:57.599
Strictly speaking.

1429
01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:03.539
We actually don't get to see Priscilla captured, but we do in the

1430
01:02:03.539 --> 01:02:04.980
extended version.

1431
01:02:05.039 --> 01:02:05.519
Yes.

1432
01:02:05.519 --> 01:02:09.420
But, um, I love that shot.

1433
01:02:09.480 --> 01:02:10.199
We'll get to it.

1434
01:02:10.260 --> 01:02:12.900
But again, one of these incredible noir-ish shots.

1435
01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:18.659
That line I haven't I haven't met one of those since Birmingham

1436
01:02:18.659 --> 01:02:19.920
the 25th century.

1437
01:02:19.980 --> 01:02:20.880
That's right.

1438
01:02:20.940 --> 01:02:22.260
Not the planet Zog.

1439
01:02:23.219 --> 01:02:25.500
I want to see that adventure.

1440
01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:26.460
Where's Big Finish?

1441
01:02:26.820 --> 01:02:30.599
Birmingham in the 25th century and meets an annoyed rat.

1442
01:02:30.719 --> 01:02:33.659
You'd remember that too, because there's nothing else in Burnham.

1443
01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:38.039
Some ring roads.

1444
01:02:38.099 --> 01:02:40.260
And a very nice train station.

1445
01:02:40.739 --> 01:02:45.960
Like, the rebuilt new street train station is quite attractive.

1446
01:02:46.019 --> 01:02:47.880
But that's the only thing.

1447
01:02:48.420 --> 01:02:53.219
So this, I mean, this is it being a theatre piece, isn't it?

1448
01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:58.139
Where the collapse of the political system, as, you know, things

1449
01:02:58.139 --> 01:03:02.159
fall to the rebels, is all just done in dialogue. 1000s of them

1450
01:03:02.159 --> 01:03:02.579
out there.

1451
01:03:02.639 --> 01:03:03.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1452
01:03:03.360 --> 01:03:04.619
I built over a thousand.

1453
01:03:04.860 --> 01:03:06.780
They're revolting.

1454
01:03:06.840 --> 01:03:09.119
But I think it's more effective that you're just getting the

1455
01:03:09.119 --> 01:03:11.699
updates between the 2 of them and what's going on rather than

1456
01:03:11.699 --> 01:03:12.300
actually seeing it.

1457
01:03:12.360 --> 01:03:13.199
Yeah, yeah.

1458
01:03:13.260 --> 01:03:16.860
I think so too. you know, like it would only have been kind of

1459
01:03:16.860 --> 01:03:19.380
slightly terrible, I think, if we had seen it.

1460
01:03:19.500 --> 01:03:20.880
In 1988.

1461
01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:23.159
Yeah, so you could do it now, but yeah.

1462
01:03:23.460 --> 01:03:27.420
But I also think too, the important thing is her reaction to it

1463
01:03:27.420 --> 01:03:31.079
like her inability to realise that something has gone horribly

1464
01:03:31.079 --> 01:03:31.260
wrong.

1465
01:03:31.320 --> 01:03:36.659
Reminds me a bit of, I think, Power of the Daleks and their sort

1466
01:03:36.659 --> 01:03:37.380
of society.

1467
01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:38.219
Yeah.

1468
01:03:38.219 --> 01:03:41.699
Like, and the sort of the what's going on.

1469
01:03:41.760 --> 01:03:42.780
Yeah.

1470
01:03:42.840 --> 01:03:45.780
Yeah, I don't know, just has a bit of shades of that. everyone

1471
01:03:45.780 --> 01:03:47.699
having their own agendas and...

1472
01:03:47.699 --> 01:03:48.119
Yeah, yeah.

1473
01:03:48.239 --> 01:03:52.980
But then, like the Daleks go through the colony and murder

1474
01:03:52.980 --> 01:03:54.840
everyone and we just, we see it.

1475
01:03:54.900 --> 01:03:56.280
We see a scene of it, I think.

1476
01:03:56.340 --> 01:03:58.500
But there's different factions going on and different things

1477
01:03:58.500 --> 01:04:01.739
happening and the guards are, you know, there's a revolution going

1478
01:04:01.739 --> 01:04:02.760
on and all that sort of stuff.

1479
01:04:02.820 --> 01:04:05.340
It just reminds me a bit of that at times.

1480
01:04:05.400 --> 01:04:07.619
Oh, doesn't the dog die.com?

1481
01:04:07.679 --> 01:04:09.480
Oh.

1482
01:04:09.480 --> 01:04:10.739
Oh, poor Fifi.

1483
01:04:10.860 --> 01:04:15.960
So if you had not seen this story and went to that website, you'd

1484
01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:16.739
never have watched this story.

1485
01:04:16.800 --> 01:04:17.579
Probably not.

1486
01:04:17.639 --> 01:04:19.800
I still won't watch Mark of the Rani.

1487
01:04:20.280 --> 01:04:21.960
That's not true.

1488
01:04:22.019 --> 01:04:23.579
But the dog dies.

1489
01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:24.659
Is that the reason?

1490
01:04:24.659 --> 01:04:26.099
The master kills a dog.

1491
01:04:26.159 --> 01:04:28.320
Thank you, Eric, say what.

1492
01:04:28.679 --> 01:04:30.780
Ways to die.

1493
01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:33.780
I think being buried under crystalised sugar is not one of the

1494
01:04:33.780 --> 01:04:34.019
worst.

1495
01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:34.980
Delicious.

1496
01:04:35.039 --> 01:04:35.579
My favourite.

1497
01:04:35.699 --> 01:04:38.940
If you didn't die, you'd probably die of diabetes.

1498
01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:46.139
This, like I think these 2 together are really wonderful.

1499
01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:49.320
There's a, again, there's a deleted scene between the 2 of them

1500
01:04:49.320 --> 01:04:52.559
which I think is particularly brilliant one for some...

1501
01:04:52.559 --> 01:04:54.239
It's like Gorbian Chase.

1502
01:04:54.539 --> 01:04:56.340
You know what I'm saying?

1503
01:04:56.400 --> 01:04:57.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah. absolutely.

1504
01:04:59.219 --> 01:05:01.980
But seeing it on the telly.

1505
01:05:02.039 --> 01:05:06.420
Like we do actually see, you know, we do see Susie Q grab the gun

1506
01:05:06.420 --> 01:05:10.440
and and, you know, capture her in a deleted scene.

1507
01:05:10.500 --> 01:05:12.659
But that with the music and stuff.

1508
01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:14.400
It's so noir-ish, it's so good.

1509
01:05:14.460 --> 01:05:16.619
Get me the candy.

1510
01:05:16.679 --> 01:05:19.079
And this, you know, you're not unhappy about something.

1511
01:05:19.139 --> 01:05:22.800
Any admission that the government is not working is forbidden

1512
01:05:22.800 --> 01:05:24.059
and...

1513
01:05:24.539 --> 01:05:26.039
Hello?

1514
01:05:26.099 --> 01:05:27.300
Where's his ear?

1515
01:05:27.599 --> 01:05:29.340
It's wonderful.

1516
01:05:29.400 --> 01:05:31.500
He's got one of those old star telephones.

1517
01:05:31.559 --> 01:05:33.599
And when he answers, Candyman.

1518
01:05:33.659 --> 01:05:34.440
It so good.

1519
01:05:37.500 --> 01:05:44.400
Ah, dear, I love this scene. to them together.

1520
01:05:44.460 --> 01:05:45.900
Just so terrific.

1521
01:05:45.960 --> 01:05:48.960
The Candyman stands like Donald Trump.

1522
01:05:49.019 --> 01:05:51.300
You know how Donald Trump has that lean?

1523
01:05:51.360 --> 01:05:52.139
when he stands.

1524
01:05:52.199 --> 01:05:54.179
The candy man has the same lean in reverse.

1525
01:05:54.239 --> 01:05:56.099
He messed up the same scene.

1526
01:05:56.159 --> 01:05:58.739
Maybe Donald Trump is the candy man in a skin suit.

1527
01:05:58.800 --> 01:06:00.239
No, candy mats.

1528
01:06:01.920 --> 01:06:04.079
Only his lower half.

1529
01:06:06.599 --> 01:06:10.619
I would live for Mike Pence to turn around to Donald Trump and say

1530
01:06:10.619 --> 01:06:11.519
oh, hey, pimplehead.

1531
01:06:13.440 --> 01:06:20.219
And so this, of course, tiresome.

1532
01:06:20.280 --> 01:06:20.639
Thank you.

1533
01:06:20.880 --> 01:06:22.619
Oh, I love this.

1534
01:06:22.679 --> 01:06:24.179
That would be telling.

1535
01:06:25.260 --> 01:06:27.360
And then, woo.

1536
01:06:29.820 --> 01:06:33.900
It's not mentioned in the dialogue, but of course she gets the

1537
01:06:33.900 --> 01:06:38.519
doctor to catch a red hot poker and he just fortunately doesn't

1538
01:06:38.519 --> 01:06:40.440
catch the red hot end.

1539
01:06:40.619 --> 01:06:42.420
He's the doctor.

1540
01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:44.340
Isn't that the joy of Doctor Who?

1541
01:06:44.400 --> 01:06:49.019
And then, whoa, quickly, I must duck down this very small hole.

1542
01:06:49.079 --> 01:06:51.599
Very, very like...

1543
01:06:51.659 --> 01:06:53.699
How did he get his feet through?

1544
01:06:53.820 --> 01:06:54.780
It's fantastic.

1545
01:06:54.840 --> 01:06:57.840
One at a time. jiggling a lot.

1546
01:06:57.900 --> 01:07:00.119
That's another great line.

1547
01:07:00.179 --> 01:07:00.780
He'll keep.

1548
01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:03.119
He's full of colouring, flavouring and preservative.

1549
01:07:03.179 --> 01:07:06.840
In fact, there's a pity that Sylvester's face isn't in shot when

1550
01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:07.559
he delivers that.

1551
01:07:07.559 --> 01:07:08.639
He's behind us. a pipe.

1552
01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:12.179
And so, you know, you can imagine them wanting to reshoot it.

1553
01:07:12.239 --> 01:07:16.619
There's another deleted scene, another deleted line here, which I

1554
01:07:16.619 --> 01:07:20.699
think is absolutely superb and is a really good character moment

1555
01:07:20.699 --> 01:07:21.360
for the doctor.

1556
01:07:21.420 --> 01:07:25.860
So she says, he says wanton destruction of public property

1557
01:07:25.860 --> 01:07:26.340
certainly not.

1558
01:07:26.400 --> 01:07:29.699
And then there's a beat and then he says, oh, all right then.

1559
01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:35.699
And it's the same glee that Hartnell has with smashing the system

1560
01:07:35.699 --> 01:07:37.320
at the end of the savages.

1561
01:07:37.380 --> 01:07:42.119
You know, the doctor does want, you know, and does it hark back to

1562
01:07:42.119 --> 01:07:46.079
horror Fang Rock, where the doctor gets cross at Leila for

1563
01:07:46.079 --> 01:07:47.940
damaging the lighthouse.

1564
01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:50.699
You know, like for the quota government actor.

1565
01:07:50.760 --> 01:07:53.880
Yeah, yeah, saying it's against the law to damage sort of, you

1566
01:07:53.880 --> 01:07:55.860
know, it covers linehouses or whatever.

1567
01:07:55.920 --> 01:07:57.480
I love, look at a run.

1568
01:07:57.539 --> 01:07:58.500
It's just hilarious.

1569
01:07:58.860 --> 01:08:01.199
Don't run as fast as you can.

1570
01:08:01.260 --> 01:08:02.340
Can, you can't catch me.

1571
01:08:02.400 --> 01:08:12.539
I'm the candy man And again, that shot is really great, isn't it?

1572
01:08:12.599 --> 01:08:15.480
From the from the TV to her face.

1573
01:08:15.719 --> 01:08:19.979
Don't we need the controller from Day of the Daleks to crop up and

1574
01:08:19.979 --> 01:08:20.939
sing the Candyman?

1575
01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:27.479
I love how these guys actually worked out what controls to use in

1576
01:08:27.479 --> 01:08:28.199
the kitchen too.

1577
01:08:28.260 --> 01:08:30.239
And the music here too.

1578
01:08:30.239 --> 01:08:30.960
Yeah.

1579
01:08:31.020 --> 01:08:32.279
And a lovely lighting.

1580
01:08:32.460 --> 01:08:35.220
And some of that's practical lighting, isn't it?

1581
01:08:35.279 --> 01:08:36.119
Yeah, yeah.

1582
01:08:36.180 --> 01:08:36.659
Yeah.

1583
01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:40.020
Yeah, I had originally thought it was like CG or something, but

1584
01:08:40.020 --> 01:08:40.439
it's not.

1585
01:08:40.500 --> 01:08:41.880
Oh.

1586
01:08:41.880 --> 01:08:45.239
That's a little bit too quick.

1587
01:08:45.300 --> 01:08:49.140
I mean, obviously we can't afford to see him engulfed in

1588
01:08:49.140 --> 01:08:50.279
whatever.

1589
01:08:50.340 --> 01:08:52.020
What even happens to him?

1590
01:08:52.380 --> 01:08:56.100
I think he just... hot fudge, basically.

1591
01:08:56.159 --> 01:08:57.840
He came from Vasinet.

1592
01:08:58.619 --> 01:09:00.239
Oh, yes.

1593
01:09:00.300 --> 01:09:00.899
Yes.

1594
01:09:01.140 --> 01:09:03.779
So he's obviously done this once before.

1595
01:09:03.840 --> 01:09:05.279
He bought his bones with him.

1596
01:09:05.340 --> 01:09:07.800
Like, he's done something in Vaseline.

1597
01:09:07.859 --> 01:09:10.500
Well, killed half a 1000000 people, half of the population.

1598
01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:14.039
Look at his face when Joseph C says, oh, well, it wasn't your

1599
01:09:14.039 --> 01:09:16.020
fault. goes, no, no, it wasn't.

1600
01:09:20.460 --> 01:09:22.439
Oh, dear.

1601
01:09:22.500 --> 01:09:26.100
But give Big Finish another 30 years and they will.

1602
01:09:27.180 --> 01:09:31.319
There are candies next to Hellenese entry door. fantastic.

1603
01:09:31.380 --> 01:09:35.579
There's a little on, on the, on the table where they're sort of

1604
01:09:35.579 --> 01:09:36.899
sitting in, in episode one.

1605
01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:41.100
There's candies and they're in their rainbow colours, like they've

1606
01:09:41.100 --> 01:09:43.500
all been carefully arranged in the colour of a rainbow.

1607
01:09:46.560 --> 01:09:50.819
Just in case you're not sure what the allegory is.

1608
01:09:50.939 --> 01:09:52.020
Yeah, that's right.

1609
01:09:52.079 --> 01:09:54.420
Is Helen's suitcase a boom mic box?

1610
01:09:54.479 --> 01:09:55.859
I think it might be.

1611
01:09:55.979 --> 01:09:59.579
But she's got something fluffy in it that's still poking out the

1612
01:09:59.579 --> 01:10:00.060
sides.

1613
01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:02.279
A bit of thick, no choice.

1614
01:10:03.899 --> 01:10:07.680
One of the best scenes in the story coming up.

1615
01:10:07.739 --> 01:10:09.000
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1616
01:10:09.060 --> 01:10:11.100
I think I know what you mean.

1617
01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:20.579
Uh, we do see them again, I think, here we go.

1618
01:10:22.020 --> 01:10:23.520
Yeah.

1619
01:10:23.579 --> 01:10:25.560
So, yeah.

1620
01:10:25.619 --> 01:10:28.560
I mean, this final scene where he's just going from place to place

1621
01:10:28.560 --> 01:10:32.220
inciting people, you know, it's just tremendous, isn't it?

1622
01:10:32.279 --> 01:10:32.819
Yeah.

1623
01:10:32.880 --> 01:10:34.020
Here we go.

1624
01:10:34.140 --> 01:10:37.140
We think Helena has escaped at this point, don't we?

1625
01:10:37.380 --> 01:10:39.420
And then we cut to her.

1626
01:10:39.479 --> 01:10:39.720
Yeah.

1627
01:10:40.079 --> 01:10:42.899
Like how the screen tells your information.

1628
01:10:42.960 --> 01:10:45.479
The shuttle's in the orbit and here comes some communication.

1629
01:10:50.699 --> 01:10:55.319
The deadpan quality is so amazing.

1630
01:10:55.380 --> 01:10:58.859
And just another unsatisfactory relationship that he's now

1631
01:10:58.859 --> 01:10:59.279
started.

1632
01:10:59.340 --> 01:11:02.460
Like he was married to the Candyman.

1633
01:11:02.520 --> 01:11:04.020
Now he's with Joseph C.

1634
01:11:04.079 --> 01:11:05.760
The captain let me in.

1635
01:11:05.819 --> 01:11:06.960
He's not at all happy.

1636
01:11:08.039 --> 01:11:13.500
When are the Hunters Hill players doing the happiness?

1637
01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:17.760
With me.

1638
01:11:18.239 --> 01:11:20.279
It's a bit niche.

1639
01:11:20.399 --> 01:11:22.439
Oh that's fantastic.

1640
01:11:22.500 --> 01:11:24.659
This shot, not so great.

1641
01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:27.180
But whatever. you know it does what it needs to do.

1642
01:11:27.239 --> 01:11:29.579
What a brilliant ending for those 2 characters.

1643
01:11:29.640 --> 01:11:30.479
Oh, hello.

1644
01:11:33.779 --> 01:11:37.619
I'm delighted to see.

1645
01:11:38.279 --> 01:11:40.500
That's a bit crap as well.

1646
01:11:41.880 --> 01:11:45.659
She was just waiting for the fishing line to be. exactly.

1647
01:11:45.720 --> 01:11:49.020
Aces line here. face ache.

1648
01:11:49.140 --> 01:11:53.340
She has called her face ache once before. in a deleted scene.

1649
01:11:53.399 --> 01:11:56.819
She is like the most anarchist of Doctor Who come back.

1650
01:11:56.880 --> 01:11:57.300
Yeah, yeah.

1651
01:11:57.359 --> 01:11:58.859
Yeah, fantastic.

1652
01:11:58.979 --> 01:12:01.560
Like the hints of the young ones and Alexi Sale.

1653
01:12:01.619 --> 01:12:03.000
Yeah, Dodo.

1654
01:12:04.260 --> 01:12:06.060
Vicky, actually.

1655
01:12:06.119 --> 01:12:08.039
Vicky's pretty anarchist.

1656
01:12:08.100 --> 01:12:09.479
Revolution.

1657
01:12:09.539 --> 01:12:14.220
I mean, Vicky basically brings the Morocc regime down in the space

1658
01:12:14.220 --> 01:12:15.060
museum, doesn't she?

1659
01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:15.960
wonderful.

1660
01:12:16.020 --> 01:12:17.760
Very underrated story.

1661
01:12:17.880 --> 01:12:20.579
What about Barbara and the morpho brains?

1662
01:12:21.840 --> 01:12:23.640
Dexterity.

1663
01:12:23.699 --> 01:12:27.000
Even though we're watching this with the subtitles on it, no

1664
01:12:27.000 --> 01:12:27.359
sound.

1665
01:12:27.420 --> 01:12:28.439
I can hear that.

1666
01:12:28.500 --> 01:12:30.060
Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely.

1667
01:12:30.060 --> 01:12:32.520
I think this scene is absolutely stunning.

1668
01:12:32.579 --> 01:12:35.340
Like absolutely superb.

1669
01:12:35.399 --> 01:12:37.140
Wow, episode was supposed to end.

1670
01:12:37.199 --> 01:12:40.739
One of the best scenes in the history of Doctor Who.

1671
01:12:40.800 --> 01:12:41.520
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1672
01:12:41.579 --> 01:12:45.840
And certainly confronting the villain, where it's all about, you

1673
01:12:45.840 --> 01:12:49.500
know, revealing to her the problems with her politics, you know

1674
01:12:49.500 --> 01:12:53.760
trying to convince her that she's doing the wrong thing.

1675
01:12:53.880 --> 01:13:00.000
And and just the way it's resolved, you know, like, I actually, you

1676
01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:03.720
know, she's an awful person and it would have been fine if she'd

1677
01:13:03.720 --> 01:13:04.199
been killed.

1678
01:13:04.260 --> 01:13:06.779
She's killed a half a 1000000 people.

1679
01:13:06.840 --> 01:13:09.600
You know, she's she's she's appalling.

1680
01:13:09.659 --> 01:13:12.779
And like it's, there's a, you know, it's not realistic or

1681
01:13:12.779 --> 01:13:13.199
whatever.

1682
01:13:13.260 --> 01:13:13.859
It's not real.

1683
01:13:14.100 --> 01:13:21.180
But the fact that, you know, that the happiness here, she admits

1684
01:13:21.180 --> 01:13:22.680
that it's all about control.

1685
01:13:22.739 --> 01:13:24.600
It is all about politics.

1686
01:13:24.659 --> 01:13:26.399
The happiness thing is about...

1687
01:13:26.399 --> 01:13:27.779
No, it's for the good of the majority.

1688
01:13:27.899 --> 01:13:29.760
Yeah, that's extremely thatcherite.

1689
01:13:29.819 --> 01:13:30.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1690
01:13:30.899 --> 01:13:36.300
Like, there's, like, the coded language around families and yeah

1691
01:13:36.300 --> 01:13:37.619
yeah, it's very Thatcher.

1692
01:13:37.680 --> 01:13:39.359
If you're miserable in this regime.

1693
01:13:39.420 --> 01:13:43.739
It's your fault because you're not strong enough and you you are

1694
01:13:43.739 --> 01:13:49.380
weak, you know, and that's why you don't agree with this regime.

1695
01:13:49.439 --> 01:13:50.399
It's moral weakness.

1696
01:13:50.460 --> 01:13:54.720
And so it is absolutely political.

1697
01:13:54.779 --> 01:13:59.579
And then this thing where she, it's the moment that she says that

1698
01:13:59.579 --> 01:14:04.140
that love is overrated, that, you know, the doctor says, it's the

1699
01:14:04.140 --> 01:14:05.279
thing when you have dogs, right?

1700
01:14:05.340 --> 01:14:08.460
When you have a dog, you will outlive the dog.

1701
01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:12.180
And so what you're signing up for as well as years of sort of love

1702
01:14:12.180 --> 01:14:14.520
and loyalty is grief.

1703
01:14:14.579 --> 01:14:20.220
That's the deal and all relationships end, and they all end in

1704
01:14:20.220 --> 01:14:20.939
grief.

1705
01:14:21.000 --> 01:14:27.300
And like this stupid puppet, and, and, and, she is just absolutely

1706
01:14:27.300 --> 01:14:33.300
like, I can't watch this scene without crying, even though she's a

1707
01:14:33.300 --> 01:14:37.859
terrible person, she is just so, so brilliant.

1708
01:14:37.920 --> 01:14:39.539
Thank God she's not Jenny Laird.

1709
01:14:39.600 --> 01:14:43.439
Yeah, no, it wouldn't have worked, but she just acts herself.

1710
01:14:43.500 --> 01:14:45.960
And the fact that...

1711
01:14:46.020 --> 01:14:47.039
Yeah, yeah.

1712
01:14:47.100 --> 01:14:52.439
And and impassive, you know, because this is what taught her that

1713
01:14:52.439 --> 01:14:53.039
she's wrong.

1714
01:14:53.159 --> 01:14:54.899
This is how she gets overthrown.

1715
01:14:54.960 --> 01:14:57.180
She was wrong about all of this.

1716
01:14:57.239 --> 01:14:58.079
That's right.

1717
01:14:58.140 --> 01:14:59.460
This is the end of the episode.

1718
01:14:59.520 --> 01:15:02.640
I think it's a brilliant and music at this point.

1719
01:15:02.640 --> 01:15:04.380
What do you mean by as scripted?

1720
01:15:04.439 --> 01:15:07.500
Like that, like, they originally plan to end the episode there

1721
01:15:07.500 --> 01:15:08.819
without this coder at the end?

1722
01:15:08.880 --> 01:15:11.279
I think the coder is absolutely natural.

1723
01:15:11.340 --> 01:15:11.880
You need the coder.

1724
01:15:11.939 --> 01:15:12.359
Yep.

1725
01:15:12.420 --> 01:15:15.359
And look at the lighting, how everything's blue.

1726
01:15:15.420 --> 01:15:20.939
You get to see Daisy and Priscilla fixing, you know, like they're

1727
01:15:20.939 --> 01:15:24.779
being forced to do something to fix the society that they've been

1728
01:15:24.779 --> 01:15:27.539
terrorising and they get a sort of funny line.

1729
01:15:27.600 --> 01:15:29.340
The adulture in charge now.

1730
01:15:29.399 --> 01:15:32.760
And you've had no real hint of a romance between these two, but

1731
01:15:32.760 --> 01:15:34.680
right at the end you do and it's lovely.

1732
01:15:34.739 --> 01:15:36.060
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1733
01:15:36.119 --> 01:15:39.840
I also like in that last scene with Helen A. The doctor actually

1734
01:15:39.840 --> 01:15:40.619
doesn't convince her.

1735
01:15:40.680 --> 01:15:42.000
He fails at convincing her.

1736
01:15:42.359 --> 01:15:44.819
It's just the caprice of chance that Fifi is there.

1737
01:15:44.939 --> 01:15:48.840
Yeah, someone that she loved has died and like grief is the

1738
01:15:48.840 --> 01:15:54.899
appropriate thing, that being happy is not the right response, you

1739
01:15:54.899 --> 01:15:55.800
know, in every situation.

1740
01:15:55.859 --> 01:15:58.319
Yeah, that's a beautiful last shot.

1741
01:15:58.439 --> 01:16:00.119
Yeah, yeah, I agree.

1742
01:16:00.180 --> 01:16:02.159
Yeah. terrific.

1743
01:16:02.220 --> 01:16:04.920
Set off brilliantly by Dominic's music, as the whole story has

1744
01:16:04.920 --> 01:16:05.220
been.

1745
01:16:05.279 --> 01:16:06.420
Just tremendous.

1746
01:16:06.479 --> 01:16:11.039
What a wonderful way to spend Sunday morning watching this. which

1747
01:16:11.039 --> 01:16:11.640
is brilliant.

1748
01:16:11.699 --> 01:16:13.560
I could watch that every day of the week.

1749
01:16:13.619 --> 01:16:14.460
Yep, yep.

1750
01:16:14.520 --> 01:16:15.600
No, this is my 3rd time.

1751
01:16:15.600 --> 01:16:17.100
Twice on Sunday. watching that.

1752
01:16:17.100 --> 01:16:18.420
And you have?

1753
01:16:18.479 --> 01:16:20.100
Tim Scott.

1754
01:16:20.159 --> 01:16:24.300
Can we just have a cheer for Tim Scott, the forum doormat?

1755
01:16:24.359 --> 01:16:25.979
Fantastic.

1756
01:16:25.979 --> 01:16:26.699
So great.

1757
01:16:26.699 --> 01:16:30.060
I like to think that they open up into the forum and it's that big

1758
01:16:30.060 --> 01:16:34.020
cabinet thing from Star Wars episode one.

1759
01:16:34.079 --> 01:16:36.119
Is it episode one with all the Wolf Man 2?

1760
01:16:36.180 --> 01:16:39.359
No, episode two. all those little flying creatures in the big...

1761
01:16:39.359 --> 01:16:40.920
Oh, yes, geonosis.

1762
01:16:40.979 --> 01:16:42.420
The big arena.

1763
01:16:42.479 --> 01:16:42.960
Yes.

1764
01:16:43.260 --> 01:16:46.680
I kind of like how we don't get to see the forum.

1765
01:16:46.739 --> 01:16:47.399
That's good.

1766
01:16:47.460 --> 01:16:47.760
Yeah.

1767
01:16:47.760 --> 01:16:48.239
Yeah.

1768
01:16:49.500 --> 01:16:52.260
Because like that fits with the story.

1769
01:16:52.319 --> 01:16:54.720
The story is about the doctor fiddling around at the margins to

1770
01:16:54.720 --> 01:16:56.640
bring down a... like a regime.

1771
01:16:56.760 --> 01:16:57.659
Yeah, yeah.

1772
01:16:57.720 --> 01:16:59.699
So seeing, you know, being outside.

1773
01:16:59.760 --> 01:17:01.020
Well done, Chris.

1774
01:17:01.079 --> 01:17:01.979
Thank you very much.

1775
01:17:02.220 --> 01:17:04.560
Thanks, Graham Curry for the story.

1776
01:17:04.619 --> 01:17:05.939
Yeah, absolutely.

1777
01:17:06.000 --> 01:17:06.779
So good.

1778
01:17:06.899 --> 01:17:08.819
And the novelisation, I think, is magnificent.

1779
01:17:08.939 --> 01:17:11.100
Like I read and reread the novelisation.

1780
01:17:11.159 --> 01:17:14.460
Find and download the audio book of it.

1781
01:17:14.520 --> 01:17:15.180
It's fantastic.

1782
01:17:15.239 --> 01:17:15.779
Okay.

1783
01:17:15.840 --> 01:17:17.100
I've never listened to it and I shouldn't.

1784
01:17:17.100 --> 01:17:18.539
Because I love Ruler Lenska.

1785
01:17:19.199 --> 01:17:22.140
Well, any closing remarks?

1786
01:17:22.199 --> 01:17:24.300
I think we might be done.

1787
01:17:24.359 --> 01:17:25.920
Shall we go again?

1788
01:17:25.979 --> 01:17:26.939
Yeah, all right.

1789
01:17:27.000 --> 01:17:27.479
Let's go.

1790
01:17:27.539 --> 01:17:29.640
And the code word is walkies.

1791
01:17:29.699 --> 01:17:30.000
No.

1792
01:17:30.060 --> 01:17:32.640
I can feel one of my moves coming on.

1793
01:17:33.000 --> 01:17:34.560
Good mood.

1794
01:17:34.739 --> 01:17:38.039
Well, dear listener, that's all we have time for this week.

1795
01:17:38.100 --> 01:17:41.819
We'll be back later in the year for our coverage of the 2009

1796
01:17:41.819 --> 01:17:45.000
Doctor Who specials, starting with a trip to the Scorpion nebula

1797
01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:47.520
in a flying bus in Planet of the Dead.

1798
01:17:47.640 --> 01:17:51.119
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts

1799
01:17:51.119 --> 01:17:54.060
and you can keep up with us at flights for entirety on Facebook, at

1800
01:17:54.060 --> 01:17:58.319
FT Podcast on Twitter, and on our website, FlightthroughEntirety

1801
01:17:56.760 --> 01:18:01.500
com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger, and

1802
01:18:01.500 --> 01:18:02.460
Jody IntoTara.

1803
01:18:02.520 --> 01:18:06.779
Until next time, remember that the only true source of happiness

1804
01:18:06.779 --> 01:18:10.800
in this whole benighted world is the love of a savage dog.

1805
01:18:10.859 --> 01:18:13.439
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1806
01:18:13.560 --> 01:18:14.520
Good night.

1807
01:18:14.579 --> 01:18:17.520
Good night. happiness will prevail.