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Hello, Delistra, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the

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only Doctor Who podcast, still having very vivid dreams about John

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Sim every night for the last 11 years.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm James I'm Peter.

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And I'm Skeletor.

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Well, Christmas is cancelled.

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There's a crazed billionaire running the world and leering at his

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half-wit daughter, and Tony Blair is wandering the wastelands and

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eating the homeless.

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So things are very much business as usual in the penultimate

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episode of the David Tennant era, the end of time part one.

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I think we're gonna break with tradition and just start at the

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very beginning.

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Very good place to start.

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Yeah.

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So we actually start with the classic Russell T. Davis shot for

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the last time of the Earth from space, don't we?

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We don't sort of descend through the clouds into Chiswick, but we

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do start with that particular moment, I thought it was worth

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noting because it's our last one, sort of.

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And of course, Moffo will do that.

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Start next season's a cheeky little reference.

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Yeah, although he has a different take on the on the opening scene

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after the credits begin, but we're getting ahead of ourselves.

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How do we feel about this opening scene?

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It's got Sir Bernard in it, so obviously it's superb.

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I think it's great to see him trundling along and, you know, um

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with his shopping and it's Christmas and then we're going into the

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church and there's the whole voiceover stuff and I just love all

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the stuff with, um, you know, as he spies the TARDIS in the

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stained glass window.

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I just really like, like, I have a notion.

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Yeah, it's not going to be particularly Christmassy, is it?

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But this is the most Christmassy bit.

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I think maybe it's choir practice because no one else seems to be

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in the church.

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And we have Wilf in front of a war memorial, which will be

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important, I think, you know, both this week and particularly next

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week.

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And we have Timothy Dalton.

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And I am not a big fan of voiceovers.

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And I think the way this story relies on voiceovers makes me think

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that perhaps another revision might have not gone Australia.

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It always seems to be a sort of crutch a bit.

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But it does the Moffat trick where the person doing the voiceover

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the narrator actually ends up being a major character.

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That's an absolute Moffat thing to do.

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And it is, of course, Timothy Dalton, who is incredibly great.

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But Nathan, I think that the voiceovers in this paper over the

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cracks in the plot, really, like they're holding it together.

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Yeah.

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And he's never used it before, has he?

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Well, I mean, no, he does at the beginning of doomsday, I think, or

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what is it?

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Army of Ghost starts with Billy's voiceover.

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Yeah, that's Rose, though.

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It's not a character who's just sort of, you know, its omnipotent

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voice.

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And I guess we've got Elton telling the story of love and

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monsters.

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And he sort of has control over the narrative in the way that sort

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of wrestle on Will.

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But it is sort of a sort of slightly strange thing, I think.

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Well, it's the kind of thing which Russell's always shied away

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from.

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And I think it might be indicative of a few of the problems I have

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with this episode and that he's fallen back on that and he never

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has done in the past. hm, where's this leading?

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In fact, it puts me in mind of Romana.

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Remember she says portentous?

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Well, that's what it is, but pretentious is the word.

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I can forgive all the cracks that this episode has because it has

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wealth in it.

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Getting back to Bernard Crippen's like, I love the fact that he

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becomes a companion for 2 episodes.

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I think that's fantastic.

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And he's in the opening credits, so the master's a companion as

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well.

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And the fact that the opening focusses on Wolf means that this is

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going to be to a certain extent good because you know it's going

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to have an industrial level of will in it.

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And it is Wolf's story.

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I mean, the job of the pre-credit sequences to tell us what the

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episode will be about.

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And so that pre-credit sequence ends with the master laughing

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which is the dream that everyone in the world or possibly the

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universe.

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It's hard to tell has been having for the last little while.

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And so it goes from Wilf.

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It touches on his war thing.

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It touches on the, you know, what the doctor's job is.

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Um, and then it hits the beat with the master.

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Yeah, and you've got the mystery woman in white just apparating in

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and out, you know, as part of the plot.

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I think it's Chancellor Flavia.

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Rodan.

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Well, she certainly wrote an in from somewhere.

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So Brendan, father of the podcast, Brendan, agrees with Russell T

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Davis that it's the doctor's mum.

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It very clearly has to be a doctor's mum, in which case it's

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abusive torturer Tech Teune, which is a sort of fairly upsetting

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thought.

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Don't bring Chris Tripple into this.

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Well why not?

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I mean, there's lots of time lords, galafray nonsense.

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In fact, I think, now, I'm a big fan of hating on Gallifrey, and

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we will talk more about Gallifrey next week, because it's

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obviously hugely important, and this episode doesn't really do

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Gallifrey, but I do think after absolutely not doing Gallifrey for

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5 years, I think it's inevitable here.

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And I think it's Julie Gardner as well, who agreed with that, that

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we now get to touch on Galafray, we now get to do the thing that

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the show started with, which, which was the reveal of the time

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war.

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I think it was inevitable as well, but unfortunately, I think they

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stuffed it up.

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Yeah.

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That's entirely possible.

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So here we have something that's all set up.

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Is that right?

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This episode really is establishing the players and shifting

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things into place and the voiceover actually kind of says that.

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So Timothy Dalton comes back at about 29 minutes.

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It's the whole episode is basically a 60 minute pre-credit

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sequence for the 2nd episode.

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And it often happens that that's the case with a two-parter

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doesn't it?

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Yes, and especially the Russell two-parters.

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Like, we're just marking time and moving people around and trying

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to give red herrings and give funny bits of dialogue and bits of

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heart and but also, you know, put you off track and and have you

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guessing and not give you all the information until, you know, we

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get into part two.

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Yeah, episodes one's all build up, so 2 is all payoff.

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Well, it should be.

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Well, that's what I think might be a structural problem and that

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episode one builds up to the big cliffhanger, but then the big

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cliffhanger is kind of thrown away, and episode 2 doesn't pay it

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off.

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So it's a strange structure.

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We will talk about the cliffhanger at the end, of course.

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I think it's spectacular for a couple of reasons, but we will get

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to it.

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Well, we start off with the oud, really.

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The doctor turning up in a comedy classic scene of, you know, with

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his keys to the TARDIS and...

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So you know where that scene was filmed?

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Alaska.

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Whoopie hole.

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W wonderful. found out this could only have been improved by one

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of those cybermen turning up and maybe the vogan round the

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corner.

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Can anyone give?

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And possibly someone almost drowning?

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So I think this scene is super weird. and I think it actually

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points to why the specials kind of fail.

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So we build up to this massive, massive character moment at the

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end of Waters of Mars, which I think doesn't work at all and

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showcases all of the worst things about David Tennant's

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performances, the doctor.

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And then we kind of throw it away.

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And I don't know, are we meant to read his kind of offhanded

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comedy thing is menacing because he's not really playing it like

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that.

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Yeah, I think maybe we're meant to read it as the doctor is kind

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of vamping a little bit and having fun because he doesn't want to

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face what's going on, but it just comes across as misplaced

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whimsy.

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I mean, you know, like comedy in Doctor Who is great and naming a

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galaxy.

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Alison is a pretty cool thing to do, but I just don't know.

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We had this big, big giant moment.

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You know, the doctor had gone crazy and he'd gone too far because

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he saved a bunch of people and that was wrong for some reason.

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And now he's, like, and there's no, is there any, any cost to

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that?

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You know, the doctor has been fooling about instead of doing what

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Bude Sigma told him to do.

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I think the cost is however much you're willing to pay for Time

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Lord Victorious.

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Yeah, no, that would be right.

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Whatever that is. a lot I think it could have worked, but it

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actually needed to be funny, and the problem with those scenes is

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they're not actually very funny.

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You know, the TARDIS kind of thing clicked locket and...

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It's not actually very amusing.

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Whereas it'd be genuinely funny. would have gone along with it.

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I think part of it is that it is just intentionally broad because

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it's Christmas.

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Do you know what I mean?

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And so the joke that that the sort of sonic screwdriver being the

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you know, key fob for your car.

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Like, that's cute and sort of funny.

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It's not super witty or anything.

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And Russell doesn't go for like massively hilarious jokes sort of

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generally.

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I don't know, I just found it irritating.

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There is a line of dialogue that says, you know, if only you'd

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come straight here or whatever, something might have been better

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but there don't seem to be any consequences to her.

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There's a cleverness lacking in the scene, I think, which I'm used

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to from Russell.

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Russell's an extremely clever, an able writer, and yet they feel a

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little bit disappointing, and it's got to be the fact that he was

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running on empty, having written so many episodes and like come

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back for the specials when, you know, he basically from the next

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doctor, he'd sort of run out of steam a little bit.

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But yeah, I'm disappointed him and I'm not I'm not bagging him for

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that because my expectations of Russell are so high.

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This is like the 10th episode in a row he's written.

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Oh, next week, it's the 10th episode.

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Right is written, I think.

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Oh, I don't mind it.

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Well, I mean, I think it's, I think it's agreeable enough.

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I think it's a way into the next bit, which is the ood telling

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what's going on now and having flashbacks to the end of series 3

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with the master and trying to do a big, huge info dump with the

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master, the master's wife, the naysmiths, and all of that

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happening kind of all at once. which I think Russell does very

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well.

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You know, he gets all that information out there.

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And you don't feel like it's a headless chicken or whatever they

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what's that, the timeless children episode where you just get the

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where you just get spoken to, right?

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And so boring.

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Whereas whereas here he's trying, we're going from the comedy bit

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into this info dump and we're trying to make it as easy as

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possible so that everybody's on the same page.

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So we have the oud talking about a prophecy, and at this moment in

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our episode, I want to do a prophecy count.

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So how many prophecies are out there kind of kicking around at

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this point.

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You will knock 4 times.

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He'll knock 4 times.

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The Oudes prophecy.

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He is returning.

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He is returning. returning. returning.

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So is it three?

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It's they and he.

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Okay, that can be 5 then.

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Martha and Mickey will get together.

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Yeah.

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So I want that spinoff.

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I actually think it's just about permissible.

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Okay.

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You hate prophecies, Todd?

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Is it you who hate its prophecies?

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No, you're good with them.

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I don't know.

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I'm so tired.

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I have no idea.

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I no idea.

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On that note, do you know what I don't like about prophecies?

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I don't like mysterious figures?

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and this will appear, I think, at the start of the next episode

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where we're getting a little bit ahead of ourselves, but

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mysterious figures who talk nonsense and are delivering

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prophecies.

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And there's one with the time lords.

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The old woman who's scratching away at the things and going, blah

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blah, blah, he will return.

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It's exactly the same as Dalek Khan from Journey Zend, who is

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infinitely more entertaining.

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You're not sure reminds me of the Rybots operation.

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Yes.

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Yes, if only you could have had anti, I'd imagine boons of our

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fathers.

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Oh, this is our kids.

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There's no way that Russell didn't steal that from there.

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Of course.

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And she's got a sort of sisterhood of Khan vibe.

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But I think that the prophecies kind of work in a way, because

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prophecies and coincidences, because we've not even mentioned

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Claire Bloom prophesying either, so we're probably up to about 12

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by now.

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Because the time lords are returning and because the time lords

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have this relationship with time, that Russell makes properly

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mysterious, Russell's time lords have a much more kind of weird

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you know.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And so time, you know, causality goes backwards and there are

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coincidences and all of these things are happening because gala

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phrase is about to kind of burst onto the stage.

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So I'm going to let it pass even though it is probably a bit of a

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cheat.

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But also, if you're going to have big portentous slash pretentious

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prophecies.

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These are the episodes to do it.

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These are like the big banner episodes.

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It's an important series for the public.

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Do something big.

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That's fine.

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Clan likes to prophesy, doesn't she?

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Doesn't get our prophecies very right. like, you know, tell the

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doctor of nothing of this.

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His life could still be saved as long as you tell him nothing.

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Really, honey, he's got 2 episodes to go, he's not going to be

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safe.

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Well, he doesn't get killed.

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He just turns into Matt Smith. which is not such a bad thing.

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But also, if you're going to tell the doctor nothing.

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Why are you bothering to tell Wolf?

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That's right.

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Just don't mention it.

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And she tries to get him to take the gun, right?

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Like later on when they're watching the queen's speech and I love

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the fact that she's got that sort of hair and the pearl necklace

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and all of that sort of thing and she turns up on the tally

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instead of the queen being sort of terribly posh.

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Everyone in Russell stories turns up on the telly.

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Rose did.

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If you got a telly, there they are.

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Yeah, speaking of turning up on the telly, you know that Lachelle

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Carl was actually supposed to have a guest role in this, not on

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the telly.

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Trinity Wells was actually going to appear in person reporting, I

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think, at one point.

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I think it's the scene where the doctor arrives at the prison.

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Ah, yeah.

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And she would have been reporting on the scene and would have

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given him some information that would have moved the plot on.

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You see, if they hadn't have had the oud in the 2nd half, we will

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sing you to your sleep.

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They could have had Trinity Wells turn up without a mic and

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everything.

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Dr. Staggers towards the Tartars. amazing.

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What dramatically reporting of this man is taking to it?

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We have seen Rose Tyler walk up the stairs to the flat.

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Oh dear.

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Or maybe before we launch into the our analysis of the episode as

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a whole, there is another introductory scene that we need to talk

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about, which is obviously the prisoner cell block age scene.

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Can I just say it's just absolutely hilarious that we have like

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the governor, right?

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And then Mrs. Trefusius?

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I wonder if she she obviously made it across from Spain or

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wherever.

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The Stone Circle, she did.

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And Lucy Saxon, you've got all of that going on.

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It's like a game of you know, because they put down one card, right

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to say, well, we've trumped you because we've got the books of

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Saxon.

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And then Lucy's doing something.

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So she tries to trump her with the next you know card.

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It's like, it's layer upon layer upon layer, and it makes, like

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it's just ridiculous.

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It makes me smile, but it's just so like, well, look at us.

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We've started this and we've countering you and we're countering

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you and curse of fatal death.

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Well, I mean, that scene can only have been improved if the freak

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had turned up, gloves and all.

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Well, I think that the missus whatever.

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She's not the governor, but the sort of chief.

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I mean, the governor sort of Erica Davison, perhaps, you know, just

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a few decades earlier.

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And then that sort of grey-haired woman has a very kind of Maggie

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Kirkpatrick sort of vibe.

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She does.

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She could have brought back Harold Saxon from the dead and got a

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cut of the poke money or story at the same time.

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But I love the way in which it is tied back to season 3 and that

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was always an ouch.

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Like, that was always set up, which is great.

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I mean, if we'd just got this as a cutaway that wasn't back in

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that episode with the master dying, then I would have been quite

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irritated, but he's obviously, again, it's this Russell thing

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where he does things, and then I pay off later, even if he hasn't

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got it fully planned at the time.

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Yeah, I suspect that he didn't have it fully planned, but he knows

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that you're always going to want to bring the master back.

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He's a child of the 80s.

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Yeah, exactly right.

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He knows, you know, that scene in Planet of Fire, where I

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genuinely thought as a kid that that was it.

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The master was dead.

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He burned up. you know, how can he get out of this?

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And so Russell absolutely kills him.

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Has the doctor burned his body and then leaves an out.

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And it's fantastic that Chris Chibnall has actually built on that

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because when the master has to live through the 20th century, He

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obviously has written the 5 or 10 volumes of the books of Saxon in

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that time because he's not going to interfere with any of his

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other history during that time.

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So he's just sat in a room and he's written all these books that

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they can then use.

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I think that you should email that to Christian all because that

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will be the basis of a future episode.

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I can hardly wait.

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The next season finale.

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Yeah, I would think.

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You see, I'm sad that they brought the master back because not

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because I don't like the master, but because I thought his

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character arc was so good in sound of drums and last of the time

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lords, that he's kind of brought back for nothing but to be a

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spectacle in these episodes.

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There's no sort of character development there, really.

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Oh, you don't think?

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No, no, no.

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I think that there's really interesting character development.

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I think we'll leave it till our next episode.

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But he is brought back for a reason.

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And the other reason I think he's brought back.

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I mean, you know, Russell knows about the final game and the fact

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that Pertley didn't get to face off against the master in his

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regeneration story, which was sort of rather tragic.

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So he's obviously pairing them again.

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What has he got to do every single season finale?

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And this is functionally a season finale, isn't it?

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The series finale, has had the master or the cybermen or the

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Daleks.

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And so, you know, he always goes big for the series finale.

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So he brings the master back.

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And there's no monsters in this story.

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Well, he kind of turns the master into a little bit of a monster

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in those scenes and that's actually one of my problems with the

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character.

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I think it debases the character a little bit.

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But don't you think that that's what's actually happened?

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Because so he's still the master.

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And I think the costuming is really brilliant because he's wearing

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a black hoodie.

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So he's got a hood and you can see his red t-shirt, like the hem

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of his red t-shirt.

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And actually, this was at the same time that David Cameron, pre

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being Prime Minister, was running his whole hugger hoodie

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campaign.

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All right.

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So he goes from being Prime Minister of Great Britain to being, you

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know, one of the kind of lowest members of society as far as

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status is concerned.

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I think that's kind of interesting because I think this story, and

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I'll get into it a bit later, is about hierarchy and status, you

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know, in a huge way.

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That I have no problem with.

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I think that's really good.

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But then what becomes of the master, you don't get character

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moments between him and the doctor, you don't get any exploration

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of that theme.

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You get the master turning into a Marvel or DC sort of villain and

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bouncing round the place and firing energy bolts from his hands

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and things.

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And I think that could have been any villain.

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Why is that the master?

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See, I agree with both of you.

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I think it's an interesting thing to make the master this sort of

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debased character who has lost all his power and sophistication

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and status.

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But I think making him into some sort of weird flying skeleton man

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is a move too far.

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But except that wonderful scene with the food truck where he eats

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the 2 ladies who are making sandwiches.

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Like we go back to the food truck and they're just kind of charred

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skeletons.

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And that's our only kind of death.

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Todd, you must have been hanging out for it. just love that.

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They cut back to it and you've got them still in their outfits, but

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they're child skeletons.

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I 1st out laughing because in the 1980s, the original series of V

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there was this triangle between Charles, Diana, and Lydia, and

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Lydia was trying to poison Diana, but instead, the poison cup goes

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to Charles, and Lydia walks in, and she's talking to Charles, and

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the chair spins around, and there's this skeleton of a lizard in

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the V outfit, and it just reminded me of that so much.

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I think it's brilliant.

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And I love the fact that the master's this super, um, skeletor, you

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know, type creature because I think in, in all of this, the

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brilliance of Russell Teen Davis actually shines through because

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he keeps coming back to Wilf and saying, you know, you're not

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special or you're special and, and I keep meeting you, right?

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And at no point I actually think that it's going to be the knock 4

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times thing, right?

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He's got all these other red herrings all the way through.

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It kind of reminds me a bit of the mask of men, Dragra, where

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you've got the count who thinks he's the main villain, right?

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But he's not.

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That's the Naysmiths, then you've got Hieronymus, which is really

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the master.

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And but behind all of that, you've got the Mandrago Helix, which

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of course is Wrestleon and the Time Lord.

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And then we've also got the cactus people.

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So you've got all these different things that he's set up where

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you think, well, they're going to be the villain, they're going to

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be the villain, who is the villain, and everything keeps coming

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back to Will all the time to keep, but then they break away with a

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joke or a heartfelt moment or some plot thing.

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And so I have no problem with the master turning into Skeletor at

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all.

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I actually think it's really funny Although it does give us that

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appalling moment in David Tennant's acting where he's on the

499
00:23:46.680 --> 00:23:51.599
ground with John Sim and asks him something and I just thought

500
00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:54.119
that is the worst bit of acting that David Tennant has ever done

501
00:23:54.119 --> 00:23:56.039
in the history of his time on Doctor Who.

502
00:23:56.099 --> 00:23:58.079
I've got to find it in my notes.

503
00:23:58.140 --> 00:23:58.440
Sorry.

504
00:23:58.980 --> 00:24:03.539
Oh, yes, the master he is, he is like one, two, three, four, and

505
00:24:03.539 --> 00:24:05.339
the doctor says, what's inside your head?

506
00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:08.039
It's the worst bit of acting David Tennant has ever done.

507
00:24:08.099 --> 00:24:13.200
Is that the moment where the doctor realises and therefore the

508
00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:17.220
master realises that the 4 beats inside his head are real.

509
00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:19.319
So they're audible to tenet.

510
00:24:19.380 --> 00:24:20.940
I don't like that moment.

511
00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:23.700
But I think John Simmons spectacular in this, and I give him

512
00:24:23.700 --> 00:24:27.900
absolute kudos for all of the things that he has to get into all

513
00:24:27.900 --> 00:24:30.240
of those different outfits, you know, at the end and play all

514
00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:31.799
those different characters slightly differently.

515
00:24:31.859 --> 00:24:36.059
And even when he says like the master race, like it could have

516
00:24:36.059 --> 00:24:40.019
been so like so cheesy, but I just adore it.

517
00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:46.380
Like, I did not like John Sim back in season 3 originally at all

518
00:24:46.380 --> 00:24:47.160
right?

519
00:24:47.220 --> 00:24:48.359
Second time through.

520
00:24:48.420 --> 00:24:49.740
Much improve.

521
00:24:49.740 --> 00:24:52.319
And I think he does a spectacular job here.

522
00:24:52.380 --> 00:24:56.579
And when he's hungry all the time, like ripping, doesn't it make

523
00:24:56.579 --> 00:24:59.279
you feel a bit sick, seeing all of that fast motion eating?

524
00:24:59.339 --> 00:25:01.559
It's meant to, isn't it?

525
00:25:01.619 --> 00:25:03.900
absolutely intentional. doesn't mean I want to watch it.

526
00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:08.759
And he's ripping that turkey apart and what we're doing now.

527
00:25:10.500 --> 00:25:12.420
Thanks, Peter.

528
00:25:13.019 --> 00:25:15.839
And David Harewood, is it?

529
00:25:15.900 --> 00:25:16.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

530
00:25:16.559 --> 00:25:19.079
David Herald is like mortified from Supergirl.

531
00:25:19.140 --> 00:25:19.799
Yeah.

532
00:25:19.859 --> 00:25:22.319
You know, I can't take him seriously.

533
00:25:22.380 --> 00:25:23.819
Like he's got gravitas.

534
00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:27.000
But he's got the English accent here and I'm so used to him being

535
00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:31.079
in retirement mode in Supergirl using John Jones using the

536
00:25:31.079 --> 00:25:32.220
American accent.

537
00:25:32.279 --> 00:25:35.039
But here, like the nice Mr. Built Up, and I'm going to make my

538
00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:38.759
daughter discovered the secret books and, you know, really, she's

539
00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:42.000
just like from the secret housewives of, you know, Cambridge on

540
00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:42.960
Thames or something like that.

541
00:25:43.019 --> 00:25:46.019
And so for me, it's like, I love the fact that Russell has created

542
00:25:46.019 --> 00:25:49.500
these really super crap villains who think they're all that, but

543
00:25:49.500 --> 00:25:50.460
they really are all crap.

544
00:25:50.519 --> 00:25:51.480
Yeah, yeah.

545
00:25:51.539 --> 00:25:54.420
And the fact that he loves her so much and he's going to put it on

546
00:25:54.420 --> 00:25:55.920
a pedestal and she's so appalling.

547
00:25:55.980 --> 00:25:59.099
Like it just is just, it's delicious.

548
00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:01.140
That is one of the things I quite like about this episode.

549
00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:03.720
The supervillains in it are really inept.

550
00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:06.119
Yeah, well, it's kind of funny, isn't it?

551
00:26:06.180 --> 00:26:07.740
And it is because they're a faint.

552
00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:10.559
It is because they're not the real villains.

553
00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:14.880
But I do think making them billionaires is interesting because

554
00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:17.160
you've got homeless people.

555
00:26:17.220 --> 00:26:21.359
You've got the middle class family, you know, the noble family

556
00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:22.980
you've got billionaires.

557
00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:27.599
You've got the master who is makes his way up that hierarchy.

558
00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:31.259
Only, you know, once he hits the top of the hierarchy, suddenly

559
00:26:31.259 --> 00:26:35.160
he's SmackDown because there's something much, much worse than

560
00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:37.740
anything we've ever seen before in Doctor Who.

561
00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:39.299
And you've got the aristocracy coming back.

562
00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:40.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

563
00:26:40.500 --> 00:26:42.180
Well, that yeah, that's exactly it.

564
00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:42.599
Yeah.

565
00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:46.799
And you've got June Whitfield and the Silver Cloak.

566
00:26:46.859 --> 00:26:50.519
You've spent weeks now talking about how crap June Whitfield is in

567
00:26:50.519 --> 00:26:53.039
this, but I actually think...

568
00:26:53.099 --> 00:26:56.400
No, you're the one, Peter.

569
00:26:56.460 --> 00:27:00.660
You're the one, Peter, who has talked about how rubbish shit.

570
00:27:00.779 --> 00:27:01.859
June Whitfield can bite me.

571
00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:06.420
I think there's very, very little between her performances, mother

572
00:27:06.420 --> 00:27:09.180
on Ab Fab and her performance here.

573
00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:13.500
It's not quite as sort of demented as the mother in ab fab.

574
00:27:13.559 --> 00:27:14.940
Isn't that the whole point?

575
00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:16.259
Yeah, exactly.

576
00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:16.859
Yeah.

577
00:27:16.859 --> 00:27:20.279
Like, she is supposed to be, you know, we've had a few whiskeys

578
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:22.859
and scotches and, oh, it's June Whitfield and she knows she's

579
00:27:22.859 --> 00:27:26.339
comedy relief and she's playing for comedy relief, but it totally

580
00:27:26.339 --> 00:27:28.500
takes me out of things watching it now.

581
00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:30.660
It's a mugging for the camera.

582
00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:32.279
I mean, it's 0 god.

583
00:27:32.339 --> 00:27:36.299
And her friend, her friend who's so into David Tenner. who looks

584
00:27:36.299 --> 00:27:38.579
like who Richard Franklin friend.

585
00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:40.500
Oh, a bit of crumpet or whatever.

586
00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:42.839
He really wants David Tennant's photo.

587
00:27:42.900 --> 00:27:43.680
But that's the problem.

588
00:27:43.740 --> 00:27:44.519
They're both into him.

589
00:27:44.579 --> 00:27:47.339
And I afraid that being old doesn't give you license to grab

590
00:27:47.339 --> 00:27:48.180
someone's arse.

591
00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:49.680
Hashtag mini too.

592
00:27:49.740 --> 00:27:55.619
And she did it like every take, she pitched his parmada.

593
00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:58.619
But I think it works, Lieutenant, because Tenant is so kind of

594
00:27:58.619 --> 00:28:00.660
sexually confident as the doctor, you know?

595
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:02.160
Oh, so he doesn't have a bumby, has he?

596
00:28:02.220 --> 00:28:04.920
That's right. should lose a hand.

597
00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:09.359
So I don't, you know, like, I don't mind that at all.

598
00:28:09.420 --> 00:28:13.559
And I also like the fact that Russell allows old people to be

599
00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:18.000
sexual, which is not a thing that is normally sort of permitted on

600
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:18.480
television.

601
00:28:18.539 --> 00:28:19.740
Junkie.

602
00:28:19.859 --> 00:28:21.599
She's not that old.

603
00:28:21.660 --> 00:28:24.119
Speaking as an old person.

604
00:28:24.180 --> 00:28:25.859
She's younger than you.

605
00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:26.640
No, no.

606
00:28:26.700 --> 00:28:28.200
Actually, June Whitfield is fine.

607
00:28:28.259 --> 00:28:31.500
She does mug for the camera and it is irritating and I love her.

608
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:34.140
So, you know, me, my bones rot saying it.

609
00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:35.400
I love it too.

610
00:28:35.460 --> 00:28:36.779
But I just think it's hilarious.

611
00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:40.619
Like, you know, the master and the doctor are in that junkyard or

612
00:28:40.619 --> 00:28:43.500
boatyard or wherever they are.

613
00:28:43.559 --> 00:28:44.339
What is it?

614
00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:48.240
Well, I walked into that, didn't I?

615
00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:53.400
And then they just enter from stage left, like out of nowhere.

616
00:28:53.460 --> 00:28:56.940
Like, the camera just sort of cuts to them and it's like, where's

617
00:28:56.940 --> 00:28:57.359
the bus?

618
00:28:57.420 --> 00:28:58.019
Where they come from?

619
00:28:58.079 --> 00:28:59.279
Oh, no, they were all as a pack.

620
00:28:59.339 --> 00:29:01.319
They're moving as a pack and they've found him as a pack.

621
00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:04.619
And I just laugh at that bit of direction by Euroslim.

622
00:29:04.740 --> 00:29:07.019
They were just waiting behind some scrap.

623
00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:08.160
For their cue.

624
00:29:08.220 --> 00:29:09.839
Exactly, James, exactly.

625
00:29:09.900 --> 00:29:10.799
That is what it looks like.

626
00:29:10.859 --> 00:29:13.140
They're just polished off the remains of those people in the

627
00:29:13.140 --> 00:29:14.279
truck.

628
00:29:14.339 --> 00:29:16.859
Yeah, no, this is indicative of the problem.

629
00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:17.880
June wheatfield is fine.

630
00:29:17.940 --> 00:29:20.940
But the silver cloak is just dressing.

631
00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:23.759
And that's all this episode is it's all dressing.

632
00:29:23.819 --> 00:29:25.859
There's no meat on the bones, so to speak.

633
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:29.339
You know, the silver cloak was actually a discarded idea that

634
00:29:29.339 --> 00:29:31.559
Russell came up with for partners in crime.

635
00:29:31.619 --> 00:29:33.000
Oh, really?

636
00:29:33.059 --> 00:29:35.220
It's also what the Vardens wore in the invasion of time.

637
00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:40.079
So, so was the idea, because it took Donna a year to find the

638
00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:45.059
doctor and the silver cloak do it in about 15 minutes, was it, was

639
00:29:45.059 --> 00:29:49.140
Wilf helping Donna find the doctor originally?

640
00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:50.640
Is that what was that the plan?

641
00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:52.500
Who knows?

642
00:29:52.619 --> 00:29:53.220
That's better.

643
00:29:53.220 --> 00:29:54.180
That's all I know.

644
00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:57.599
Yeah, Will wasn't really a live thing in the planning of series 4

645
00:29:57.599 --> 00:29:58.319
in any case.

646
00:29:58.380 --> 00:30:00.059
He just ended up being there.

647
00:30:00.420 --> 00:30:04.019
Yeah, I mean, it's another one of those coincidences.

648
00:30:04.019 --> 00:30:07.920
And you can just about sell it because there's a line about there

649
00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:11.339
being lots of coincidences, you know, or no such thing as

650
00:30:11.339 --> 00:30:11.940
coincidence.

651
00:30:13.019 --> 00:30:16.680
The thing is, you have all that scene with, you know, let's get a

652
00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:19.319
photograph with the doctor and just as I'm beginning to get

653
00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:20.220
irritated.

654
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:24.539
We then jump to Will from the doctor in the cafe, having that

655
00:30:24.539 --> 00:30:29.039
conversation with Donna turning up outside and just the emotional

656
00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:33.660
resonance and how sort of affected that I get by it all the time.

657
00:30:33.779 --> 00:30:37.140
So just when you have a, I find that in this episode, when I have

658
00:30:37.140 --> 00:30:40.079
a moment where it's like, oh, that's a bit crap.

659
00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:43.680
I then suddenly have a moment where I'm laughing or I'm really

660
00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:47.099
that he goes for the heart strings.

661
00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:50.940
I think David Tennant is really good in that scene.

662
00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:56.099
And when David Tennant has to cry and stuff, I usually find him

663
00:30:56.099 --> 00:30:57.599
like super irritating.

664
00:30:57.660 --> 00:31:02.220
But here, there's that moment where he's just about to burst into

665
00:31:02.220 --> 00:31:06.539
tears and where Wolf, you know, is so kind of heartbroken and his

666
00:31:06.539 --> 00:31:08.700
response is so just sort of warm and beautiful.

667
00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:12.779
And then it's diffused, like they kind of laugh or, you know, he

668
00:31:12.779 --> 00:31:14.220
doesn't quite come back.

669
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:17.819
It's not quite jolly, but he sort of, he sort of pulls it together

670
00:31:17.819 --> 00:31:19.980
and kind of tries to make light of it.

671
00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:23.400
And it's so real and it's so good and tenant is great in it.

672
00:31:23.460 --> 00:31:24.720
It's a really good scene.

673
00:31:24.839 --> 00:31:27.180
And it's not overwrought. melancholy.

674
00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:28.380
Yeah, yeah, that's what you want.

675
00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:29.880
There will be overwrought later.

676
00:31:29.940 --> 00:31:32.940
Right, absolutely, there will. agree with you.

677
00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:35.460
It's one of the highlights of dated tenant in this episode, but

678
00:31:35.460 --> 00:31:37.980
it's also the fact that he's against Bernard Crippis, who's almost

679
00:31:37.980 --> 00:31:38.759
breaking down as well.

680
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:43.259
And the scene also has a lot of like info sort of dump dialogue

681
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:44.160
you know, I'm going to die.

682
00:31:44.220 --> 00:31:46.200
He will knock full times, we keep coming back to that.

683
00:31:46.259 --> 00:31:50.279
And even if I change it feels like dying, some new man goes

684
00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:55.140
sauntering away, like all that foreshadowing of what's to come and

685
00:31:55.140 --> 00:31:58.799
and we've been through it all before, you know, these new, the new

686
00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:04.079
series fans have experienced it once already quite out of the

687
00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:04.380
blue.

688
00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:08.339
So now for the 2nd time with the doctor, they've loved for 3 years

689
00:32:08.339 --> 00:32:10.259
and universally loved.

690
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:14.819
They know where it's all heading and how they're going to feel.

691
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:19.619
And so I think those fields begin in that scene in this episode.

692
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:21.299
It's funny, isn't it?

693
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:25.140
Because when someone like Russell talks about or, you know, Moffatt

694
00:32:25.140 --> 00:32:30.000
or or people who grew up on the old series, talk about how it

695
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:31.200
feels to have a new doctor.

696
00:32:31.500 --> 00:32:37.079
The show isn't apparently aware of that, you know, like there'll

697
00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:41.220
be a sort of heartwarming moment or something, possibly, um, or

698
00:32:41.220 --> 00:32:45.240
you know, the Rani will just turn him over and it'll be, you know

699
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:46.740
Sylvester McCoy in a wig.

700
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:48.480
I was heart warmed by that.

701
00:32:48.900 --> 00:32:52.200
But this show is super aware of it.

702
00:32:52.259 --> 00:32:54.539
And because it's the most popular show on TV.

703
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:57.359
And I think we talked about this in our Planet of the Dead episode

704
00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:01.319
or I said that regeneration is a bit of a hack, you know, it's a

705
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:07.680
bit of a, it's a tiny bit crap. they really do need to kind of let

706
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:11.220
you know that they know how you're going to be feeling about

707
00:33:11.220 --> 00:33:11.700
this.

708
00:33:11.759 --> 00:33:18.539
And so the idea that the doctor fears regenerating and feels like

709
00:33:18.539 --> 00:33:23.220
it's an annihilation of his kind of self, that's not in the old

710
00:33:23.220 --> 00:33:27.539
show at all, but it sort of works here.

711
00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:31.440
Do you remember in Death of the Doctor, the Sarah Jane Adventures

712
00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:32.039
episode?

713
00:33:32.099 --> 00:33:35.460
where Matt Smith doctor says that it hurts, that it always does

714
00:33:35.460 --> 00:33:37.380
that it's painful, you know?

715
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:39.960
So that's that from the other direction.

716
00:33:40.019 --> 00:33:43.559
It's what we were saying about on the stolen Earth and Journey's

717
00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:47.579
End podcast about the fact that the audience is complicit in

718
00:33:47.579 --> 00:33:50.579
doctor at this stage because it is so popular and it is such an

719
00:33:50.579 --> 00:33:54.420
icon of television that you've got complete license to be

720
00:33:54.420 --> 00:33:57.059
emotional about the fact that David Tennant, the most popular

721
00:33:57.059 --> 00:34:00.059
doctor there has ever been, is leaving the series.

722
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:03.960
I don't particularly like seeing the doctor get very emotional but

723
00:34:03.960 --> 00:34:05.819
it's totally warranted here.

724
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:07.920
I kind of like it.

725
00:34:07.980 --> 00:34:11.519
It is the thing that that Russell's brought to the program is

726
00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:13.260
giving the doctor some interiority.

727
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:17.820
And I remember that moment, the moment where Eccleston like tears

728
00:34:17.820 --> 00:34:18.420
up.

729
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:21.360
You know, his face is otherwise completely immobile.

730
00:34:21.420 --> 00:34:24.360
He doesn't cry or, you know, there's no quivering bottom leap or

731
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:27.119
anything, but he tears up when Jabe is talking to him about the

732
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:27.960
Time Lords.

733
00:34:28.019 --> 00:34:31.619
I thought that that was an absolute just revelation.

734
00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:33.360
You know, it was so amazing.

735
00:34:33.420 --> 00:34:35.880
And I'm glad that he brought that to the show.

736
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:39.179
I think my problem with it is that David Tennant tends to kind of

737
00:34:39.179 --> 00:34:41.639
overplay it a bit and he doesn't in this scene.

738
00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:42.900
No, he gets it right.

739
00:34:50.579 --> 00:34:54.480
The other thing that appears in this scene is, of course, Donna

740
00:34:54.480 --> 00:35:00.719
and I think that she's amazing in this.

741
00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:03.119
I totally agree.

742
00:35:03.179 --> 00:35:08.460
You can see that the character, Nathan, has she's still Donna, but

743
00:35:08.460 --> 00:35:10.500
she's not the Donna from the Runaway bride.

744
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:15.420
She she's not the donner that she ended up being, but there is

745
00:35:15.420 --> 00:35:16.079
growth there.

746
00:35:16.139 --> 00:35:19.440
The fact that she actually has a fiance and she can still give it

747
00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:20.820
to the ticket officer woman.

748
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:21.659
Yeah.

749
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:27.059
It's just lovely seeing Catherine Tate come back and do these

750
00:35:27.059 --> 00:35:27.780
small parts.

751
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:31.860
It's intensely frustrating because I want these episodes to be

752
00:35:31.860 --> 00:35:32.699
about Donna.

753
00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:35.760
I want them her to be all throughout them and I wish she was.

754
00:35:35.820 --> 00:35:39.599
However, it was the correct decision by Russell. not to do that.

755
00:35:39.659 --> 00:35:43.380
And he knows that you wish she was the star of it.

756
00:35:43.380 --> 00:35:44.400
And that's incredible thing.

757
00:35:44.460 --> 00:35:49.860
And initially she, in the original draft original drafts of the

758
00:35:49.860 --> 00:35:52.739
script, she was in it a lot less.

759
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:56.340
She was only supposed to make a short cameo and he decided to put

760
00:35:56.340 --> 00:36:01.739
her in more, but as this character who is floating around in the

761
00:36:01.739 --> 00:36:03.840
background is a shadow of her former self.

762
00:36:03.900 --> 00:36:07.860
But it works too, because it also gives the opportunity to bring

763
00:36:07.860 --> 00:36:10.559
in Sylvia.

764
00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:15.239
Yeah, and see the growth in Sylvia, like that hilarious scene

765
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:18.360
where she says hello to the doctor or Merry Christmas or

766
00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:18.659
whatever.

767
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:21.599
And, you know, the last time they did not end on very good terms.

768
00:36:22.019 --> 00:36:27.119
But, you know, she seems to have gotten past that to an extent and

769
00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:31.920
can share a bit of a moment and then berate him.

770
00:36:31.980 --> 00:36:33.119
Exactly, James.

771
00:36:33.179 --> 00:36:36.719
You know, I do want to say one more thing about that cafe scene

772
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:40.860
because there's a choice that Auros makes, which is to shoot Donna

773
00:36:40.860 --> 00:36:41.880
and Sean through the window.

774
00:36:41.940 --> 00:36:43.739
Yeah, maintain that distance.

775
00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:44.760
Yeah, yeah.

776
00:36:44.820 --> 00:36:48.119
And so we are kept away from them.

777
00:36:48.179 --> 00:36:51.480
And there's that other scene where we see them opening Christmas

778
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:54.480
presents and watching the Queen's speech and stuff like that.

779
00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:58.320
But they're also in the background too, because it's all, yes.

780
00:36:58.320 --> 00:36:59.880
From Wolf's perspective.

781
00:36:59.940 --> 00:37:00.360
Yeah.

782
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:00.960
Yeah.

783
00:37:01.019 --> 00:37:04.079
So it is amazing getting her back, you know, having a companion

784
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:06.900
back, but she's not allowed to interact with a doctor, she can

785
00:37:06.900 --> 00:37:08.579
never interact with a doctor at any point.

786
00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:12.900
And we so wanted it because those 2 were so magical together.

787
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:14.940
It's really good.

788
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:17.880
And so Russell makes you feel the way that you feel.

789
00:37:17.940 --> 00:37:21.719
It's an exercise in restraint on Russell's behalf, and it's

790
00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:24.539
absolutely the right decision, but it's so frustrating.

791
00:37:24.659 --> 00:37:29.460
But it is the brilliance in his writing here that I think shines

792
00:37:29.460 --> 00:37:32.400
through all this emotional stuff that you want that to happen, but

793
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:34.139
you're not going to get that.

794
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:37.559
And then in that scene, giving Wolf the moment to piece together

795
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:39.239
the naysmiths and the book.

796
00:37:39.300 --> 00:37:43.139
You know, it's another clue as to his importance.

797
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:45.659
But you don't really realise that when you're watching it.

798
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:47.880
Yeah, the 1st time through, it's just, it just happens, but it

799
00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:52.139
keeps coming back to him and keeps coming back to him and then he

800
00:37:52.139 --> 00:37:56.340
gets to get into the TARDIS and... thinks it's dirty.

801
00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:58.920
It's not as clean as I expected.

802
00:37:58.980 --> 00:38:02.400
So doesn't the script lampshade that bit where it's not really a

803
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:05.159
good idea to park the TARDIS in the street outside where Donna

804
00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:05.639
lives?

805
00:38:09.659 --> 00:38:15.960
Lovely little comic moments with the emotional resonance that, you

806
00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:17.760
know, Russell gives us.

807
00:38:17.820 --> 00:38:19.860
And this episode gets it so right.

808
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:22.619
You just want to spend more time with these characters and you get

809
00:38:22.619 --> 00:38:24.059
more time with these characters.

810
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:29.699
And I think that that's what, I think that that's what he's doing

811
00:38:29.699 --> 00:38:33.539
and I think the reason, perhaps, that the plot isn't particularly

812
00:38:33.539 --> 00:38:39.000
satisfying, there's almost nothing at all to it, is because his

813
00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:45.840
last, you know, biggest season finale ever, was so stuffed, had so

814
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:48.840
many characters in it and was super plotty.

815
00:38:48.900 --> 00:38:52.920
And this time it's kind of like, no, let's just give David Tennant

816
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:54.840
some time to do some things.

817
00:38:54.900 --> 00:38:58.920
Let's just let the audience spend some time in the world that the

818
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:02.460
last 5 years of Doctor Who has created.

819
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:06.900
And so, you know, there's a way in which this is a bit indulgent

820
00:39:06.900 --> 00:39:12.000
but there is also a way in which he's giving space for us to say

821
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:16.559
goodbye to this version of Doctor Who and cluttering it up with

822
00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:21.059
plot and science fiction things and stuff would just detract from

823
00:39:21.059 --> 00:39:21.599
that.

824
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:23.639
I mean, I agree in one respect.

825
00:39:23.699 --> 00:39:26.519
I think Russell played his best hand with the stolen earth

826
00:39:26.519 --> 00:39:27.480
journey's hand.

827
00:39:27.539 --> 00:39:30.599
That felt like it should have been the end of the doctor because

828
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:34.260
it was so warmly resonant at the show that had come.

829
00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:37.380
However, I slightly disagree because I think these episodes

830
00:39:37.380 --> 00:39:40.679
especially this 1st one, are stuffed with plot, but it's

831
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:41.519
meaningless plot.

832
00:39:41.579 --> 00:39:44.039
It's just it's talking about big plot.

833
00:39:44.099 --> 00:39:47.340
And so that detracts from these lovely scenes which you have with

834
00:39:47.340 --> 00:39:49.380
the family and everything because it gets in the way of those.

835
00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:53.039
I think you still have to give everyone sort of Doctor Who-ey

836
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:54.000
things to do.

837
00:39:54.179 --> 00:39:57.300
But I mean, it's not like anything's very complex.

838
00:39:57.360 --> 00:39:58.559
It's not blink or anything.

839
00:39:58.619 --> 00:40:03.900
It is just super linear and a little bit sort of throwaway.

840
00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:07.920
There's a kind of, this is never an insult, but there is a kind of

841
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:13.320
Sarah Jane adventures kind of vibe to the, to the nasmiths in a

842
00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:13.559
way.

843
00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:16.800
They're very two-dimensional, but for a reason.

844
00:40:16.860 --> 00:40:20.940
But I like the fact that we're now getting drawn into their world

845
00:40:20.940 --> 00:40:26.039
actually to their mansion and we're seeing their scientists that

846
00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:33.119
are helping them and the absolutely brilliant Sinead Keenan, who

847
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:36.179
plays Adams, the scientist.

848
00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:41.219
And I'd just seen her, I think, playing Russell Toby's girlfriend

849
00:40:41.219 --> 00:40:43.440
Nina, the werewolf, being human.

850
00:40:43.500 --> 00:40:45.179
In being human.

851
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:47.340
And so I was really excited that she was in it.

852
00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:51.059
And it's interesting how like her and her offsider, whose name I

853
00:40:51.059 --> 00:40:51.539
cannot.

854
00:40:51.539 --> 00:40:52.440
I think it's Rossiter.

855
00:40:52.500 --> 00:40:53.460
It is Rossiter.

856
00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:54.900
I just call them the Meglos twins.

857
00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:56.219
Wow, that's super racist.

858
00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:57.480
Initially...

859
00:40:57.480 --> 00:41:00.179
Initially...

860
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:03.659
Initially they were supposed to be called Shanshay and Shanshay.

861
00:41:03.840 --> 00:41:07.559
And with a slightly different pronunciation, but Wolf couldn't

862
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:08.940
work out what the difference.

863
00:41:09.059 --> 00:41:11.820
I love the fact that they're sort of in the background and now

864
00:41:11.820 --> 00:41:14.280
they're sort of, you know, coming to the forefront and you know

865
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:15.179
something's not right.

866
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:18.659
And then, of course, David Tennant gets to meet them when they go

867
00:41:18.659 --> 00:41:22.320
downstairs and he gets to say the word Shimmer.

868
00:41:22.380 --> 00:41:26.219
And I love how he says Schimmer. schlock from the reboss of

869
00:41:26.219 --> 00:41:26.760
Horatia.

870
00:41:26.820 --> 00:41:27.960
And he keeps saying it.

871
00:41:28.019 --> 00:41:29.280
I just want to keep saying Shrimmer.

872
00:41:29.340 --> 00:41:30.239
Shrimer.

873
00:41:30.300 --> 00:41:31.199
And she's so great.

874
00:41:31.260 --> 00:41:33.659
I just love her energy as one of the cactus people.

875
00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:33.900
Sorry.

876
00:41:33.960 --> 00:41:36.659
She's kind of not putting up with any of his crap.

877
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:39.900
I mean, that just seems to be her kind of default thing.

878
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:43.860
She's kind of annoyed with him and not intimidated by him.

879
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:45.179
I think she's really good.

880
00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:48.239
And do you remember that makeup?

881
00:41:48.300 --> 00:41:51.719
The green makeup is entirely computer generated.

882
00:41:51.780 --> 00:41:53.820
They didn't paint the actor's green.

883
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:55.860
They put green prosthetics on them.

884
00:41:55.920 --> 00:42:01.559
And kind of faded into their skin tones and then had to digitally

885
00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:05.880
retouch every shot that they were in green because they went, oh

886
00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:07.019
actually, that looks a bit pants.

887
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:10.739
And in fact, another use of CG, and I've just read about time.

888
00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:16.260
So I didn't know this before this, that the turkey in the Queen's

889
00:42:16.260 --> 00:42:19.440
Christmas speech scene, because that takes place at 3 o'clock in

890
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:23.699
the afternoon, the speech normally, rather than the morning.

891
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:26.280
The turkey was raw on the set.

892
00:42:26.340 --> 00:42:29.159
And Russell realised that, of course, by 3 the turkey would be

893
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:33.239
cooked, so they digitally cooked it in post-production.

894
00:42:33.300 --> 00:42:34.860
It's a computer effect.

895
00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:37.019
I didn't have too much budget on this show.

896
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:38.579
Oh, that's fantastic.

897
00:42:46.019 --> 00:42:48.780
They've got the immortality gate.

898
00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:52.559
I love these names that Russell comes up with and the Nace Miske

899
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:55.739
to talk about the immortality gate, but yet again, it's a slight

900
00:42:55.739 --> 00:42:58.440
misdirection because what they believe it to do is not actually

901
00:42:58.440 --> 00:42:59.460
what it actually does.

902
00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:05.039
And it's like with Donna having been memory wiped and if she

903
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:06.659
remembers everything, she's going to die.

904
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:09.659
Well, that's not exactly true, and this is another Russell trope

905
00:43:09.659 --> 00:43:13.500
that he likes to sort of give a certain information or an

906
00:43:13.500 --> 00:43:16.619
interpretation of what something actually does.

907
00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:20.460
It's our last anti-plastic of the era, isn't it?

908
00:43:20.579 --> 00:43:22.980
It's the immortality gate.

909
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:24.300
It makes people immortal.

910
00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:27.659
It's really very simple and does what it says on the tin.

911
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:31.260
It's the sort of techno babble that I actually really quite like.

912
00:43:31.260 --> 00:43:35.159
Because again, this is a Christmas special and it's being half

913
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:37.559
watched, while drunk and full of turkey.

914
00:43:37.619 --> 00:43:39.900
And so it needs to be straightforward.

915
00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:42.539
But I like the fact that the master has the ability to repair it.

916
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:43.320
He's a timelord.

917
00:43:43.380 --> 00:43:43.980
He's repairing it.

918
00:43:44.099 --> 00:43:48.780
And at the same time, then, you know, when he's talking to Adam's

919
00:43:48.780 --> 00:43:51.960
the doctor's talking to Adams, you know, it makes people better

920
00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:55.619
but why so big and there's these questions and then it's like, well

921
00:43:55.619 --> 00:43:58.139
it doesn't, men's whole planets and then it's like the David

922
00:43:58.139 --> 00:44:01.320
Tennant run. like, this is much worse than we expected.

923
00:44:01.380 --> 00:44:03.480
Which we had at the beginning of the episode when he runs back to

924
00:44:03.480 --> 00:44:04.139
the Tartars.

925
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:06.000
Like, this is really bad and then it's the run.

926
00:44:06.059 --> 00:44:08.280
You know how he jumps off the wall and it's like we've got to stop

927
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:12.000
this and then it's all hell breaks loose because Skeletor gets to

928
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:15.719
you know, zap his hands and jump into the gate and everybody

929
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:17.099
begins to shimmer.

930
00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:20.039
You know, things are really bad when David Tennant does that big

931
00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:21.599
run with his arms and legs everywhere.

932
00:44:21.659 --> 00:44:22.619
I love it.

933
00:44:22.739 --> 00:44:25.260
And it's such a new series thing because you can't run in the

934
00:44:25.260 --> 00:44:25.679
studio.

935
00:44:25.739 --> 00:44:27.420
You just don't have the space for it.

936
00:44:27.539 --> 00:44:30.420
And so now we're in location, the doctor can properly run.

937
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:33.960
Wasn't there a story that either David Tennant, Matt Smith or Matt

938
00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:37.019
Smith and Peter Capaldi needed the same operation done on their

939
00:44:37.019 --> 00:44:39.659
knee because of the running down corridors.

940
00:44:39.659 --> 00:44:41.219
Tennant and Capaldi.

941
00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:45.539
So, Todd, let's talk about the cliffhanger then.

942
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:51.960
I contend that it, well, I went on Twitter.

943
00:44:52.019 --> 00:44:56.099
I actually live tweeted my watching of this hashtag, Final Days of

944
00:44:56.099 --> 00:45:00.179
Planet Earth, and I made the bold contention that this was the

945
00:45:00.179 --> 00:45:05.039
best cliffhanger of the era, and I kind of want to defend that.

946
00:45:05.099 --> 00:45:11.099
And part of the reason is that I'd forgotten the final scene.

947
00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:15.539
And so I expected it to end with the master running around and I

948
00:45:15.539 --> 00:45:18.780
think Sim is wonderful in this because he's running from place to

949
00:45:18.780 --> 00:45:22.679
place and when he sees another one of him, he's super excited and

950
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:25.320
he throws his arms out and he's jumping up and down.

951
00:45:25.380 --> 00:45:26.460
He's wearing dresses.

952
00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:29.039
I don't know how he did it as an actor.

953
00:45:29.099 --> 00:45:32.880
You would be so tired to have to go through all of those costume

954
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:33.480
changes.

955
00:45:33.539 --> 00:45:37.980
I hope to God that they actually filmed it over several days.

956
00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:39.659
All on one fee as well.

957
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:42.360
It deserves an extra fee for it.

958
00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:47.280
But I also like the fact that he talks about like in here, I think

959
00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:50.159
Russell throws in hypnotism and mind control and they're all going

960
00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:50.820
to become me.

961
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:54.000
Like, I like all these little subtle explanations back or links

962
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:54.840
back to the original series.

963
00:45:54.900 --> 00:45:59.340
It's like Shada, where Christopher Nemes' character, Skagra, wants

964
00:45:59.340 --> 00:46:01.980
to put his mind into everyone in the universe.

965
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:05.639
And for a 2nd the doctor thinks that that's what the master's plan

966
00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:06.059
is.

967
00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:09.719
But the master's plan is much better than that because it's so

968
00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:10.320
ridiculous.

969
00:46:10.380 --> 00:46:15.179
And so those wonderful scenes where like Sylvia and Sean and

970
00:46:15.179 --> 00:46:18.480
Barack Obama all turning into the master.

971
00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:24.539
And remember, this is set on Christmas Day, let's say at the time

972
00:46:24.539 --> 00:46:25.679
it was broadcast.

973
00:46:25.739 --> 00:46:30.179
So it's also happening to the viewers at home and Barack Obama.

974
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:31.920
My head was spinning watching this.

975
00:46:31.980 --> 00:46:36.360
But Barack Obama, it's like we've never mentioned the real...

976
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:37.800
No, this is real.

977
00:46:37.860 --> 00:46:39.179
Why Obama?

978
00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:42.840
He went to great pains to avoid Tony Blair and George W.

979
00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:44.460
Bush in the sound of...

980
00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:45.360
Well, did he though?

981
00:46:45.420 --> 00:46:48.059
I mean, someone like George W.

982
00:46:48.059 --> 00:46:49.440
Bush was cast.

983
00:46:49.500 --> 00:46:53.699
And he kills Tony Blair and stuffs him in a closet in Aliens of

984
00:46:53.699 --> 00:46:53.940
London.

985
00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:56.460
He turns President Obama into the master.

986
00:46:56.579 --> 00:47:00.840
I mean, it's very definitely Obama, and I wonder why I made that

987
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:01.139
decision.

988
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:05.639
But I think it's so that it's the viewers at home because one of

989
00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:11.280
the things that you can do with, remember Pirate Planet episode 4

990
00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:16.500
where Xanac is about to materialise around Earth, and I like to

991
00:47:16.500 --> 00:47:19.920
imagine that it's going to materialise around Earth while you're

992
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:21.659
sitting watching the program, right?

993
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:23.400
And that that's what the doctor prevents.

994
00:47:23.460 --> 00:47:26.639
He's actually preventing you, the viewing audience from being

995
00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:27.059
killed.

996
00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:31.500
Or in Daleks masterplan, where we know that the Daleks are on

997
00:47:31.500 --> 00:47:35.940
their way to contemporary Earth while we're watching it in those

998
00:47:35.940 --> 00:47:37.079
sort of middle episodes.

999
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:38.280
On Christmas Day.

1000
00:47:38.340 --> 00:47:39.119
Yeah, yeah.

1001
00:47:39.179 --> 00:47:43.800
And so this is a cliffhanger that affects everyone who's watching

1002
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:44.639
the show.

1003
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:46.199
And so it has that.

1004
00:47:46.260 --> 00:47:50.400
And so, you see, you're, like, your touchstone to be, to make it

1005
00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:50.760
the real world.

1006
00:47:50.820 --> 00:47:52.679
Yeah, that makes sense. that we're in.

1007
00:47:52.739 --> 00:47:53.760
And so there's that.

1008
00:47:53.820 --> 00:47:56.940
And I think that cliffhanger is visually superb and it's got John

1009
00:47:56.940 --> 00:47:58.619
Sim being as fun as he ever is.

1010
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:03.179
It's really silly and funny, but also really quite threatening and

1011
00:48:03.179 --> 00:48:03.719
terrifying.

1012
00:48:03.780 --> 00:48:08.400
And then you get the 2nd cliffhanger, which is the narrator has

1013
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:09.420
been wrestle on all along.

1014
00:48:09.780 --> 00:48:13.380
But before we get to that, we're also getting Donna having all of

1015
00:48:13.380 --> 00:48:17.280
her flashbacks, which is intercut with the John Sims stuff

1016
00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:17.760
happening.

1017
00:48:17.820 --> 00:48:22.380
And so you've actually got 3 different things happening at once, is

1018
00:48:22.380 --> 00:48:23.400
Donna going to die?

1019
00:48:23.460 --> 00:48:26.340
Everybody's turning into the master race.

1020
00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:27.420
I still want that.

1021
00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:34.500
And then we get, I get chills with that narration when he says, you

1022
00:48:34.500 --> 00:48:38.579
know, this was the day, the time lords returned, and then for

1023
00:48:38.579 --> 00:48:42.000
galafre, for victory, for the end of time itself, I just, I'm

1024
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:43.079
getting chills now.

1025
00:48:43.139 --> 00:48:48.119
I, I, it's just incredible that, it's, they, you look at me

1026
00:48:48.119 --> 00:48:49.739
complete just staying.

1027
00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:53.280
Listeners, it's like, you know, Nathan's in one corner, like, you

1028
00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:57.780
know, Jolly, Jolene, Peter's looking at me like, really, really.

1029
00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:00.719
I do think that dialogue's a bit rubbish.

1030
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:03.119
Oh, it's super ripe, but of course it is.

1031
00:49:03.179 --> 00:49:04.800
But it sells it.

1032
00:49:04.860 --> 00:49:07.260
I just think it is, it's stunning.

1033
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:08.519
It gets to me every single time.

1034
00:49:08.579 --> 00:49:10.139
I've got problems with the episode.

1035
00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:11.760
You'll notice in my special book here.

1036
00:49:11.820 --> 00:49:13.440
I've said, look at your special book.

1037
00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:14.039
Not bad.

1038
00:49:14.099 --> 00:49:18.900
I'm not in love with it. 7 out of 10 because I really, there are

1039
00:49:18.900 --> 00:49:23.880
these moments that just get to me, which currently the current

1040
00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:25.139
writing of Doctor Who doesn't do.

1041
00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:26.400
Not bad, 7 out of 10.

1042
00:49:26.579 --> 00:49:27.300
I am not in love with it.

1043
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:29.639
Is this your story notes or is this your little black book?

1044
00:49:30.179 --> 00:49:31.800
Go away.

1045
00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:32.760
I invited you.

1046
00:49:32.820 --> 00:49:35.039
So I loved you in your race.

1047
00:49:35.099 --> 00:49:38.519
Can I just say as well, that's taking Russell back to the start.

1048
00:49:38.579 --> 00:49:41.519
That's that three-tiered cliffhanger, which was the 1st one he

1049
00:49:41.519 --> 00:49:42.840
ever did for aliens of London.

1050
00:49:42.900 --> 00:49:47.699
But admittedly, that cliffhanger was 3 instances of people

1051
00:49:47.699 --> 00:49:49.800
unzipping themselves and threatening someone.

1052
00:49:49.860 --> 00:49:50.639
Do you know what I mean?

1053
00:49:50.699 --> 00:49:52.440
Like it, wow, that sounded...

1054
00:49:52.500 --> 00:49:53.099
Yeah, that's right.

1055
00:49:53.099 --> 00:49:55.320
So that didn't quite work.

1056
00:49:55.380 --> 00:49:59.340
I mean, it worked in the sense that it lent on Jackie Tyler and

1057
00:49:59.340 --> 00:50:02.760
how much we love her already, and it was Jackie Tyler in peril.

1058
00:50:02.820 --> 00:50:06.840
So this has everyone turning into the master, Donna, who we also

1059
00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:10.800
love in peril, with some exciting little flashback moments, which

1060
00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:11.820
is sort of pretty cool.

1061
00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:17.639
And then you've got James Bond himself in his richest kind of

1062
00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:22.380
voice, in profile, spitting as he delivers this sort of terrifying

1063
00:50:22.380 --> 00:50:24.059
speech because he's virtually rabid.

1064
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:25.500
Not the James Bond.

1065
00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:28.679
Anyone cares about, no, but one of the best ones ever, though.

1066
00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:30.239
Oh, don't you dare.

1067
00:50:30.420 --> 00:50:34.380
You know that they actually initially asked Patrick Stewart.

1068
00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:39.119
I don't think he's as good an actor as Timothy Doctor.

1069
00:50:39.179 --> 00:50:42.480
I'm glad it's Timothy Dalton and he's got that craggy face and

1070
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:42.900
everything.

1071
00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:45.420
I think he looks, he absolutely looks the bar.

1072
00:50:45.539 --> 00:50:49.199
The only thing I don't particularly like at this point in all this

1073
00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:52.920
is I do think the cutting to all the different masters around the

1074
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:56.699
world and all the paners ups and zones out does go on too long.

1075
00:50:56.760 --> 00:50:59.219
I do sit there going, oh, just please, just quickly.

1076
00:50:59.280 --> 00:50:59.880
Yeah.

1077
00:50:59.880 --> 00:51:01.079
Like it's just a little bit.

1078
00:51:01.139 --> 00:51:05.460
I think it helps having one of the scenes, the reason that we're

1079
00:51:05.460 --> 00:51:08.400
in the council estate is because that's where Winston lives, which

1080
00:51:08.400 --> 00:51:10.079
is Wilf's friend.

1081
00:51:10.139 --> 00:51:14.099
And so that's why we get to be there and we get to see that

1082
00:51:14.099 --> 00:51:14.579
happening.

1083
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:17.460
But yeah, I wanted it to be June Whitfield.

1084
00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:20.280
I love that zoom out.

1085
00:51:20.340 --> 00:51:23.699
You get that zoom out where everybody on the balcony is the

1086
00:51:23.699 --> 00:51:23.880
master.

1087
00:51:23.940 --> 00:51:27.659
No, but don't we zoom out even further and we zoom out over London

1088
00:51:27.659 --> 00:51:30.119
and all you can hear is the master laughing.

1089
00:51:30.179 --> 00:51:33.119
And it's not moaha laughing.

1090
00:51:33.179 --> 00:51:34.800
You know, I now control the world.

1091
00:51:34.860 --> 00:51:38.099
He's laughing because he's just delighted to see himself, you

1092
00:51:38.099 --> 00:51:38.340
know?

1093
00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:43.019
I really feel for John Sim having to keep laughing and laughing.

1094
00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:44.280
John, we need another laugh.

1095
00:51:44.340 --> 00:51:45.420
We need another laugh.

1096
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:46.679
Can you get dressed into this?

1097
00:51:46.739 --> 00:51:49.739
But also, again, it is the audience because they've just finished

1098
00:51:49.739 --> 00:51:51.420
watching this episode, like the master.

1099
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:54.360
They're full of Christmas turkey and whatever else is stuffed. he's

1100
00:51:54.360 --> 00:51:54.659
face with.

1101
00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:56.639
And they're having a good old laugh because they've just had a

1102
00:51:56.639 --> 00:51:57.119
good time as well.

1103
00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:30.239
Well, that's all we have time for this Christmas.

1104
00:52:30.300 --> 00:52:34.260
We'll be back next week to clean up the mess and say au revoir to

1105
00:52:34.260 --> 00:52:37.199
David Tennant's doctor in the end of time, part two.

1106
00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:41.400
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts

1107
00:52:41.400 --> 00:52:44.639
and you can keep up with us at flight through entirety on Facebook

1108
00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:47.699
at FDE Podcast on Twitter, and on our website, flight

1109
00:52:47.699 --> 00:52:51.119
throughentirety.com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts

1110
00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:53.340
Bondfinger, and Jody into Terror.

1111
00:52:53.400 --> 00:52:56.760
Until next time, have a very merry Christmas.

1112
00:52:56.820 --> 00:53:00.900
Enjoy your pork and beef and fat, and we'll see you again in

1113
00:53:00.900 --> 00:53:01.860
2021.

1114
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:04.440
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1115
00:53:04.500 --> 00:53:05.579
Ta-ta.

1116
00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:06.000
Good night.

1117
00:53:06.059 --> 00:53:06.780
See you soon.

1118
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:13.920
That was Flight 3 Entirety, starring Harold Saxon, Harold Saxon

1119
00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:15.659
Harold Saxon, Harold Saxon.

1120
00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:19.019
Theme arrangement by Harold Saxon, String's performance by Harold

1121
00:53:19.019 --> 00:53:19.619
Saxon.

1122
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:23.099
This episode, Do Something Big, was recorded on the 13th of

1123
00:53:23.099 --> 00:53:25.619
December 2020 and released on Christmas Day.

1124
00:53:29.460 --> 00:53:32.880
Of course, if Georgia Tennant is listening, we would like to

1125
00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:35.760
apologise for any negative comments this episode about David

1126
00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:36.840
Tennant's bum.

1127
00:53:36.900 --> 00:53:39.719
Please don't be mean to us on Twitter, Mrs. Tennant.

1128
00:53:39.780 --> 00:53:40.440
It's Christmas.

1129
00:53:43.500 --> 00:53:44.639
I think we'd probably end it there.

1130
00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:46.559
Don't you think?

1131
00:53:46.619 --> 00:53:47.039
Yeah.

1132
00:53:47.099 --> 00:53:48.420
All right, let me just read.

1133
00:53:48.420 --> 00:53:51.780
Maybe I should redo that in my end of episode, sort of voice.

1134
00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:54.840
Don't spit on the certain hate.

1135
00:53:54.900 --> 00:53:58.139
And so we pull out and the audience has had a great time and so

1136
00:53:58.139 --> 00:54:01.019
they're laughing along as well.

1137
00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:05.099
The end of time.

1138
00:54:05.099 --> 00:54:09.719
For Gallifrey, for victory, for June Whitfield herself.

1139
00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:12.780
So good.

1140
00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:16.260
It's got to be it's asking a tissue.

1141
00:54:16.320 --> 00:54:19.500
It's got to be, it has to be that big, I reckon.

1142
00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:20.340
It just has to be.

1143
00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:22.079
It's so good It's so good.

1144
00:54:22.139 --> 00:54:23.159
It's got such gramitous.

1145
00:54:23.219 --> 00:54:26.760
But you know, this 3 tier cliffhanger has Eros Lynn directing it.

1146
00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:28.679
The 1st one had Keith Bowack directing it.

1147
00:54:28.739 --> 00:54:31.800
Can I just say, I hate the way he says the word master. because

1148
00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:32.639
he's no master.

1149
00:54:32.699 --> 00:54:33.840
He's Welsh.

1150
00:54:33.900 --> 00:54:34.860
He doesn't know any better.

1151
00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:36.480
Oh, I thought it sounded American.

1152
00:54:36.539 --> 00:54:37.980
I just kind of thought, oh, can you just say Mars?

1153
00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:39.360
That's a Welsh thing.

1154
00:54:39.420 --> 00:54:40.139
Yeah, okay.

1155
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:41.940
Okay.