WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 14:47:39 1 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:47.159 Hello, Delistra, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast, still having very vivid dreams about John Sim every night for the last 11 years. 2 00:00:47.219 --> 00:00:49.079 I'm Nathan. 3 00:00:49.140 --> 00:00:51.000 I'm James I'm Peter. 4 00:00:51.119 --> 00:00:52.920 And I'm Skeletor. 5 00:00:54.060 --> 00:00:56.579 Well, Christmas is cancelled. 6 00:00:56.640 --> 00:01:04.500 There's a crazed billionaire running the world and leering at his half-wit daughter, and Tony Blair is wandering the wastelands and eating the homeless. 7 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:13.260 So things are very much business as usual in the penultimate episode of the David Tennant era, the end of time part one. 8 00:01:25.379 --> 00:01:29.459 I think we're gonna break with tradition and just start at the very beginning. 9 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:31.079 Very good place to start. 10 00:01:31.140 --> 00:01:31.620 Yeah. 11 00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:38.819 So we actually start with the classic Russell T. Davis shot for the last time of the Earth from space, don't we? 12 00:01:38.879 --> 00:01:49.980 We don't sort of descend through the clouds into Chiswick, but we do start with that particular moment, I thought it was worth noting because it's our last one, sort of. 13 00:01:50.040 --> 00:01:52.019 And of course, Moffo will do that. 14 00:01:52.079 --> 00:01:54.000 Start next season's a cheeky little reference. 15 00:01:54.060 --> 00:02:02.819 Yeah, although he has a different take on the on the opening scene after the credits begin, but we're getting ahead of ourselves. 16 00:02:03.599 --> 00:02:06.359 How do we feel about this opening scene? 17 00:02:06.420 --> 00:02:09.479 It's got Sir Bernard in it, so obviously it's superb. 18 00:02:09.780 --> 00:02:27.120 I think it's great to see him trundling along and, you know, um, with his shopping and it's Christmas and then we're going into the church and there's the whole voiceover stuff and I just love all the stuff with, um, you know, as he spies the TARDIS in the stained glass window. 19 00:02:27.180 --> 00:02:30.960 I just really like, like, I have a notion. 20 00:02:31.020 --> 00:02:34.259 Yeah, it's not going to be particularly Christmassy, is it? 21 00:02:34.319 --> 00:02:36.180 But this is the most Christmassy bit. 22 00:02:36.240 --> 00:02:40.259 I think maybe it's choir practice because no one else seems to be in the church. 23 00:02:40.740 --> 00:02:48.840 And we have Wilf in front of a war memorial, which will be important, I think, you know, both this week and particularly next week. 24 00:02:48.840 --> 00:02:50.879 And we have Timothy Dalton. 25 00:02:50.939 --> 00:02:53.580 And I am not a big fan of voiceovers. 26 00:02:53.639 --> 00:03:04.379 And I think the way this story relies on voiceovers makes me think that perhaps another revision might have not gone Australia. 27 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:06.419 It always seems to be a sort of crutch a bit. 28 00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:13.379 But it does the Moffat trick where the person doing the voiceover, the narrator actually ends up being a major character. 29 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:15.900 That's an absolute Moffat thing to do. 30 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:19.740 And it is, of course, Timothy Dalton, who is incredibly great. 31 00:03:19.800 --> 00:03:28.139 But Nathan, I think that the voiceovers in this paper over the cracks in the plot, really, like they're holding it together. 32 00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:28.860 Yeah. 33 00:03:28.860 --> 00:03:30.900 And he's never used it before, has he? 34 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:35.219 Well, I mean, no, he does at the beginning of doomsday, I think, or what is it? 35 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:37.560 Army of Ghost starts with Billy's voiceover. 36 00:03:37.620 --> 00:03:38.699 Yeah, that's Rose, though. 37 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:41.759 It's not a character who's just sort of, you know, its omnipotent voice. 38 00:03:41.819 --> 00:03:42.780 No. 39 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:47.639 And I guess we've got Elton telling the story of love and monsters. 40 00:03:47.699 --> 00:03:52.620 And he sort of has control over the narrative in the way that sort of wrestle on Will. 41 00:03:52.740 --> 00:03:57.840 But it is sort of a sort of slightly strange thing, I think. 42 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:01.139 Well, it's the kind of thing which Russell's always shied away from. 43 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:11.219 And I think it might be indicative of a few of the problems I have with this episode and that he's fallen back on that and he never has done in the past. hm, where's this leading? 44 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:13.740 In fact, it puts me in mind of Romana. 45 00:04:13.800 --> 00:04:14.939 Remember she says portentous? 46 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:17.459 Well, that's what it is, but pretentious is the word. 47 00:04:19.019 --> 00:04:24.360 I can forgive all the cracks that this episode has because it has wealth in it. 48 00:04:24.420 --> 00:04:30.660 Getting back to Bernard Crippen's like, I love the fact that he becomes a companion for 2 episodes. 49 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:31.500 I think that's fantastic. 50 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:32.519 Yeah, no. 51 00:04:32.579 --> 00:04:35.100 And he's in the opening credits, so the master's a companion as well. 52 00:04:35.699 --> 00:04:45.540 And the fact that the opening focusses on Wolf means that this is going to be to a certain extent good because you know it's going to have an industrial level of will in it. 53 00:04:45.660 --> 00:04:46.199 Yeah. 54 00:04:46.259 --> 00:04:47.879 And it is Wolf's story. 55 00:04:47.939 --> 00:04:52.980 I mean, the job of the pre-credit sequences to tell us what the episode will be about. 56 00:04:53.040 --> 00:05:01.620 And so that pre-credit sequence ends with the master laughing, which is the dream that everyone in the world or possibly the universe. 57 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:04.439 It's hard to tell has been having for the last little while. 58 00:05:04.500 --> 00:05:06.060 And so it goes from Wilf. 59 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:07.680 It touches on his war thing. 60 00:05:07.740 --> 00:05:10.500 It touches on the, you know, what the doctor's job is. 61 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:14.279 Um, and then it hits the beat with the master. 62 00:05:14.339 --> 00:05:20.879 Yeah, and you've got the mystery woman in white just apparating in and out, you know, as part of the plot. 63 00:05:20.939 --> 00:05:22.439 I think it's Chancellor Flavia. 64 00:05:22.500 --> 00:05:23.579 Rodan. 65 00:05:26.819 --> 00:05:29.579 Well, she certainly wrote an in from somewhere. 66 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:37.920 So Brendan, father of the podcast, Brendan, agrees with Russell T. Davis that it's the doctor's mum. 67 00:05:37.980 --> 00:05:46.199 It very clearly has to be a doctor's mum, in which case it's abusive torturer Tech Teune, which is a sort of fairly upsetting thought. 68 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:48.899 Don't bring Chris Tripple into this. 69 00:05:49.019 --> 00:05:50.699 Well why not? 70 00:05:50.819 --> 00:05:54.060 I mean, there's lots of time lords, galafray nonsense. 71 00:05:54.899 --> 00:06:15.360 In fact, I think, now, I'm a big fan of hating on Gallifrey, and we will talk more about Gallifrey next week, because it's obviously hugely important, and this episode doesn't really do Gallifrey, but I do think after absolutely not doing Gallifrey for 5 years, I think it's inevitable here. 72 00:06:15.420 --> 00:06:28.199 And I think it's Julie Gardner as well, who agreed with that, that we now get to touch on Galafray, we now get to do the thing that the show started with, which, which was the reveal of the time war. 73 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:31.560 I think it was inevitable as well, but unfortunately, I think they stuffed it up. 74 00:06:31.620 --> 00:06:32.160 Right. 75 00:06:32.220 --> 00:06:32.459 Yeah. 76 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:32.819 Yeah. 77 00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:33.779 That's entirely possible. 78 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:37.199 So here we have something that's all set up. 79 00:06:37.259 --> 00:06:37.980 Is that right? 80 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:45.240 This episode really is establishing the players and shifting things into place and the voiceover actually kind of says that. 81 00:06:45.300 --> 00:06:48.600 So Timothy Dalton comes back at about 29 minutes. 82 00:06:48.660 --> 00:06:54.240 It's the whole episode is basically a 60 minute pre-credit sequence for the 2nd episode. 83 00:06:54.300 --> 00:06:58.800 And it often happens that that's the case with a two-parter, doesn't it? 84 00:06:58.860 --> 00:07:01.740 Yes, and especially the Russell two-parters. 85 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:19.259 Like, we're just marking time and moving people around and trying to give red herrings and give funny bits of dialogue and bits of heart and but also, you know, put you off track and and have you guessing and not give you all the information until, you know, we get into part two. 86 00:07:19.319 --> 00:07:22.920 Yeah, episodes one's all build up, so 2 is all payoff. 87 00:07:22.980 --> 00:07:23.639 Well, it should be. 88 00:07:23.699 --> 00:07:34.500 Well, that's what I think might be a structural problem and that episode one builds up to the big cliffhanger, but then the big cliffhanger is kind of thrown away, and episode 2 doesn't pay it off. 89 00:07:34.560 --> 00:07:36.060 So it's a strange structure. 90 00:07:36.120 --> 00:07:38.879 We will talk about the cliffhanger at the end, of course. 91 00:07:38.939 --> 00:07:46.199 I think it's spectacular for a couple of reasons, but we will get to it. 92 00:07:55.259 --> 00:07:57.600 Well, we start off with the oud, really. 93 00:07:57.660 --> 00:08:04.980 The doctor turning up in a comedy classic scene of, you know, with his keys to the TARDIS and... 94 00:08:04.980 --> 00:08:06.180 So you know where that scene was filmed? 95 00:08:06.240 --> 00:08:06.959 Alaska. 96 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:09.420 Whoopie hole. 97 00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:17.759 W wonderful. found out this could only have been improved by one of those cybermen turning up and maybe the vogan round the corner. 98 00:08:17.819 --> 00:08:19.379 Can anyone give? 99 00:08:19.560 --> 00:08:22.439 And possibly someone almost drowning? 100 00:08:22.740 --> 00:08:31.680 So I think this scene is super weird. and I think it actually points to why the specials kind of fail. 101 00:08:32.039 --> 00:08:46.500 So we build up to this massive, massive character moment at the end of Waters of Mars, which I think doesn't work at all and showcases all of the worst things about David Tennant's performances, the doctor. 102 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:48.240 And then we kind of throw it away. 103 00:08:48.299 --> 00:08:57.179 And I don't know, are we meant to read his kind of offhanded comedy thing is menacing because he's not really playing it like that. 104 00:08:57.240 --> 00:09:09.539 Yeah, I think maybe we're meant to read it as the doctor is kind of vamping a little bit and having fun because he doesn't want to face what's going on, but it just comes across as misplaced whimsy. 105 00:09:09.659 --> 00:09:10.500 Yeah. 106 00:09:10.559 --> 00:09:14.460 I mean, you know, like comedy in Doctor Who is great and naming a galaxy. 107 00:09:14.519 --> 00:09:18.659 Alison is a pretty cool thing to do, but I just don't know. 108 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:21.659 We had this big, big giant moment. 109 00:09:21.720 --> 00:09:28.740 You know, the doctor had gone crazy and he'd gone too far because he saved a bunch of people and that was wrong for some reason. 110 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:34.919 And now he's, like, and there's no, is there any, any cost to that? 111 00:09:34.980 --> 00:09:41.039 You know, the doctor has been fooling about instead of doing what Bude Sigma told him to do. 112 00:09:41.100 --> 00:09:45.779 I think the cost is however much you're willing to pay for Time Lord Victorious. 113 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:48.120 Yeah, no, that would be right. 114 00:09:48.179 --> 00:09:55.559 Whatever that is. a lot I think it could have worked, but it actually needed to be funny, and the problem with those scenes is they're not actually very funny. 115 00:09:55.740 --> 00:10:02.759 You know, the TARDIS kind of thing clicked locket and... 116 00:10:02.820 --> 00:10:04.259 It's not actually very amusing. 117 00:10:04.320 --> 00:10:06.480 Whereas it'd be genuinely funny. would have gone along with it. 118 00:10:06.539 --> 00:10:12.120 I think part of it is that it is just intentionally broad because it's Christmas. 119 00:10:12.179 --> 00:10:13.740 Do you know what I mean? 120 00:10:13.860 --> 00:10:19.799 And so the joke that that the sort of sonic screwdriver being the, you know, key fob for your car. 121 00:10:19.860 --> 00:10:20.820 Oh, yeah. 122 00:10:20.820 --> 00:10:22.379 Like, that's cute and sort of funny. 123 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:23.759 It's not super witty or anything. 124 00:10:23.820 --> 00:10:28.379 And Russell doesn't go for like massively hilarious jokes sort of generally. 125 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:31.259 I don't know, I just found it irritating. 126 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:40.200 There is a line of dialogue that says, you know, if only you'd come straight here or whatever, something might have been better, but there don't seem to be any consequences to her. 127 00:10:40.320 --> 00:10:45.179 There's a cleverness lacking in the scene, I think, which I'm used to from Russell. 128 00:10:45.299 --> 00:11:01.799 Russell's an extremely clever, an able writer, and yet they feel a little bit disappointing, and it's got to be the fact that he was running on empty, having written so many episodes and like come back for the specials when, you know, he basically from the next doctor, he'd sort of run out of steam a little bit. 129 00:11:01.860 --> 00:11:09.120 But yeah, I'm disappointed him and I'm not I'm not bagging him for that because my expectations of Russell are so high. 130 00:11:09.179 --> 00:11:12.360 This is like the 10th episode in a row he's written. 131 00:11:12.419 --> 00:11:14.519 Oh, next week, it's the 10th episode. 132 00:11:14.519 --> 00:11:15.419 Right is written, I think. 133 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:16.080 Yeah. 134 00:11:16.139 --> 00:11:17.700 Oh, I don't mind it. 135 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:20.879 Well, I mean, I think it's, I think it's agreeable enough. 136 00:11:20.940 --> 00:11:43.379 I think it's a way into the next bit, which is the ood telling what's going on now and having flashbacks to the end of series 3 with the master and trying to do a big, huge info dump with the master, the master's wife, the naysmiths, and all of that happening kind of all at once. which I think Russell does very well. 137 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:46.620 You know, he gets all that information out there. 138 00:11:46.620 --> 00:11:57.360 And you don't feel like it's a headless chicken or whatever they, what's that, the timeless children episode where you just get the, where you just get spoken to, right? 139 00:11:57.419 --> 00:11:58.440 And so boring. 140 00:11:58.500 --> 00:12:07.259 Whereas whereas here he's trying, we're going from the comedy bit into this info dump and we're trying to make it as easy as possible so that everybody's on the same page. 141 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:14.820 So we have the oud talking about a prophecy, and at this moment in our episode, I want to do a prophecy count. 142 00:12:14.879 --> 00:12:19.980 So how many prophecies are out there kind of kicking around at this point. 143 00:12:20.100 --> 00:12:21.539 You will knock 4 times. 144 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:22.679 He'll knock 4 times. 145 00:12:22.740 --> 00:12:24.899 The Oudes prophecy. 146 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:26.039 He is returning. 147 00:12:26.100 --> 00:12:29.220 He is returning. returning. returning. 148 00:12:29.279 --> 00:12:30.360 So is it three? 149 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:32.100 It's they and he. 150 00:12:32.159 --> 00:12:34.200 Okay, that can be 5 then. 151 00:12:34.259 --> 00:12:36.480 Martha and Mickey will get together. 152 00:12:39.539 --> 00:12:40.740 Yeah. 153 00:12:40.799 --> 00:12:42.840 So I want that spinoff. 154 00:12:43.019 --> 00:12:47.039 I actually think it's just about permissible. 155 00:12:47.100 --> 00:12:48.059 Okay. 156 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:49.559 You hate prophecies, Todd? 157 00:12:49.620 --> 00:12:51.120 Is it you who hate its prophecies? 158 00:12:51.179 --> 00:12:53.220 No, you're good with them. 159 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:54.059 I don't know. 160 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:54.659 I'm so tired. 161 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:55.980 I have no idea. 162 00:12:56.039 --> 00:12:57.539 I no idea. 163 00:12:57.600 --> 00:13:00.659 On that note, do you know what I don't like about prophecies? 164 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:03.179 I don't like mysterious figures? 165 00:13:03.240 --> 00:13:11.700 and this will appear, I think, at the start of the next episode where we're getting a little bit ahead of ourselves, but mysterious figures who talk nonsense and are delivering prophecies. 166 00:13:11.759 --> 00:13:13.139 And there's one with the time lords. 167 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:16.980 The old woman who's scratching away at the things and going, blah, blah, blah, he will return. 168 00:13:17.039 --> 00:13:21.779 It's exactly the same as Dalek Khan from Journey Zend, who is infinitely more entertaining. 169 00:13:21.840 --> 00:13:24.720 You're not sure reminds me of the Rybots operation. 170 00:13:24.779 --> 00:13:25.320 Yes. 171 00:13:25.379 --> 00:13:29.879 Yes, if only you could have had anti, I'd imagine boons of our fathers. 172 00:13:29.940 --> 00:13:30.779 Oh, this is our kids. 173 00:13:30.899 --> 00:13:34.139 There's no way that Russell didn't steal that from there. 174 00:13:34.200 --> 00:13:34.559 Of course. 175 00:13:34.559 --> 00:13:36.600 And she's got a sort of sisterhood of Khan vibe. 176 00:13:36.659 --> 00:13:50.519 But I think that the prophecies kind of work in a way, because prophecies and coincidences, because we've not even mentioned Claire Bloom prophesying either, so we're probably up to about 12 by now. 177 00:13:51.299 --> 00:14:06.600 Because the time lords are returning and because the time lords have this relationship with time, that Russell makes properly mysterious, Russell's time lords have a much more kind of weird, you know. 178 00:14:06.659 --> 00:14:07.379 Yeah, yeah. 179 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:18.299 And so time, you know, causality goes backwards and there are coincidences and all of these things are happening because gala phrase is about to kind of burst onto the stage. 180 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:23.820 So I'm going to let it pass even though it is probably a bit of a cheat. 181 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:28.679 But also, if you're going to have big portentous slash pretentious prophecies. 182 00:14:28.740 --> 00:14:30.000 These are the episodes to do it. 183 00:14:30.059 --> 00:14:32.460 These are like the big banner episodes. 184 00:14:32.519 --> 00:14:35.039 It's an important series for the public. 185 00:14:35.100 --> 00:14:35.879 Do something big. 186 00:14:35.940 --> 00:14:36.299 That's fine. 187 00:14:40.980 --> 00:14:44.100 Clan likes to prophesy, doesn't she? 188 00:14:44.159 --> 00:14:48.120 Doesn't get our prophecies very right. like, you know, tell the doctor of nothing of this. 189 00:14:48.179 --> 00:14:51.120 His life could still be saved as long as you tell him nothing. 190 00:14:51.179 --> 00:14:55.019 Really, honey, he's got 2 episodes to go, he's not going to be safe. 191 00:14:55.080 --> 00:14:56.940 Well, he doesn't get killed. 192 00:14:57.000 --> 00:14:59.940 He just turns into Matt Smith. which is not such a bad thing. 193 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:01.919 But also, if you're going to tell the doctor nothing. 194 00:15:01.980 --> 00:15:03.480 Why are you bothering to tell Wolf? 195 00:15:03.539 --> 00:15:05.159 That's right. 196 00:15:05.220 --> 00:15:05.940 Just don't mention it. 197 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:08.820 And she tries to get him to take the gun, right? 198 00:15:08.879 --> 00:15:20.220 Like later on when they're watching the queen's speech and I love the fact that she's got that sort of hair and the pearl necklace and all of that sort of thing and she turns up on the tally instead of the queen being sort of terribly posh. 199 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:23.039 Everyone in Russell stories turns up on the telly. 200 00:15:23.100 --> 00:15:23.820 Rose did. 201 00:15:24.779 --> 00:15:26.039 If you got a telly, there they are. 202 00:15:26.100 --> 00:15:33.480 Yeah, speaking of turning up on the telly, you know that Lachelle Carl was actually supposed to have a guest role in this, not on the telly. 203 00:15:33.539 --> 00:15:38.639 Trinity Wells was actually going to appear in person reporting, I think, at one point. 204 00:15:38.700 --> 00:15:44.279 I think it's the scene where the doctor arrives at the prison. 205 00:15:44.340 --> 00:15:45.179 Ah, yeah. 206 00:15:45.179 --> 00:15:51.360 And she would have been reporting on the scene and would have given him some information that would have moved the plot on. 207 00:15:51.419 --> 00:15:56.399 You see, if they hadn't have had the oud in the 2nd half, we will sing you to your sleep. 208 00:15:56.460 --> 00:16:00.059 They could have had Trinity Wells turn up without a mic and everything. 209 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:02.940 Dr. Staggers towards the Tartars. amazing. 210 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:07.259 What dramatically reporting of this man is taking to it? 211 00:16:07.259 --> 00:16:10.379 We have seen Rose Tyler walk up the stairs to the flat. 212 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:13.860 Oh dear. 213 00:16:13.919 --> 00:16:25.620 Or maybe before we launch into the our analysis of the episode as a whole, there is another introductory scene that we need to talk about, which is obviously the prisoner cell block age scene. 214 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:31.440 Can I just say it's just absolutely hilarious that we have like the governor, right? 215 00:16:31.500 --> 00:16:34.620 And then Mrs. Trefusius? 216 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:39.000 I wonder if she she obviously made it across from Spain or wherever. 217 00:16:39.059 --> 00:16:40.740 The Stone Circle, she did. 218 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:44.159 And Lucy Saxon, you've got all of that going on. 219 00:16:44.220 --> 00:16:50.700 It's like a game of you know, because they put down one card, right, to say, well, we've trumped you because we've got the books of Saxon. 220 00:16:50.700 --> 00:16:52.320 And then Lucy's doing something. 221 00:16:52.379 --> 00:16:54.659 So she tries to trump her with the next you know card. 222 00:16:54.720 --> 00:16:58.860 It's like, it's layer upon layer upon layer, and it makes, like, it's just ridiculous. 223 00:16:58.919 --> 00:17:03.120 It makes me smile, but it's just so like, well, look at us. 224 00:17:03.179 --> 00:17:07.680 We've started this and we've countering you and we're countering you and curse of fatal death. 225 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:13.559 Well, I mean, that scene can only have been improved if the freak had turned up, gloves and all. 226 00:17:13.619 --> 00:17:16.079 Well, I think that the missus whatever. 227 00:17:16.140 --> 00:17:18.299 She's not the governor, but the sort of chief. 228 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:23.460 I mean, the governor sort of Erica Davison, perhaps, you know, just a few decades earlier. 229 00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:30.299 And then that sort of grey-haired woman has a very kind of Maggie Kirkpatrick sort of vibe. 230 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:31.259 She does. 231 00:17:31.259 --> 00:17:36.420 She could have brought back Harold Saxon from the dead and got a cut of the poke money or story at the same time. 232 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:42.660 But I love the way in which it is tied back to season 3 and that was always an ouch. 233 00:17:42.720 --> 00:17:44.759 Like, that was always set up, which is great. 234 00:17:44.819 --> 00:18:02.039 I mean, if we'd just got this as a cutaway that wasn't back in that episode with the master dying, then I would have been quite irritated, but he's obviously, again, it's this Russell thing where he does things, and then I pay off later, even if he hasn't got it fully planned at the time. 235 00:18:02.099 --> 00:18:08.400 Yeah, I suspect that he didn't have it fully planned, but he knows that you're always going to want to bring the master back. 236 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:10.200 He's a child of the 80s. 237 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:11.400 Yeah, exactly right. 238 00:18:11.460 --> 00:18:17.579 He knows, you know, that scene in Planet of Fire, where I genuinely thought as a kid that that was it. 239 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:18.480 The master was dead. 240 00:18:18.539 --> 00:18:20.819 He burned up. you know, how can he get out of this? 241 00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:24.059 And so Russell absolutely kills him. 242 00:18:24.119 --> 00:18:26.880 Has the doctor burned his body and then leaves an out. 243 00:18:26.940 --> 00:18:43.559 And it's fantastic that Chris Chibnall has actually built on that because when the master has to live through the 20th century, He obviously has written the 5 or 10 volumes of the books of Saxon in that time because he's not going to interfere with any of his other history during that time. 244 00:18:43.619 --> 00:18:46.140 So he's just sat in a room and he's written all these books that they can then use. 245 00:18:46.200 --> 00:18:50.759 I think that you should email that to Christian all because that will be the basis of a future episode. 246 00:18:50.819 --> 00:18:52.559 I can hardly wait. 247 00:18:52.619 --> 00:18:53.819 The next season finale. 248 00:18:53.880 --> 00:18:54.839 Yeah, I would think. 249 00:18:54.960 --> 00:19:13.380 You see, I'm sad that they brought the master back because not because I don't like the master, but because I thought his character arc was so good in sound of drums and last of the time lords, that he's kind of brought back for nothing but to be a spectacle in these episodes. 250 00:19:13.440 --> 00:19:16.079 There's no sort of character development there, really. 251 00:19:16.140 --> 00:19:17.819 Oh, you don't think? 252 00:19:17.880 --> 00:19:18.720 No, no, no. 253 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:21.480 I think that there's really interesting character development. 254 00:19:21.539 --> 00:19:24.000 I think we'll leave it till our next episode. 255 00:19:24.059 --> 00:19:25.859 But he is brought back for a reason. 256 00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:27.779 And the other reason I think he's brought back. 257 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:40.200 I mean, you know, Russell knows about the final game and the fact that Pertley didn't get to face off against the master in his regeneration story, which was sort of rather tragic. 258 00:19:40.259 --> 00:19:42.900 So he's obviously pairing them again. 259 00:19:42.960 --> 00:19:46.140 What has he got to do every single season finale? 260 00:19:46.200 --> 00:19:49.380 And this is functionally a season finale, isn't it? 261 00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:55.380 The series finale, has had the master or the cybermen or the Daleks. 262 00:19:55.440 --> 00:20:00.059 And so, you know, he always goes big for the series finale. 263 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:01.140 So he brings the master back. 264 00:20:01.200 --> 00:20:03.059 And there's no monsters in this story. 265 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:10.440 Well, he kind of turns the master into a little bit of a monster in those scenes and that's actually one of my problems with the character. 266 00:20:10.500 --> 00:20:11.940 I think it debases the character a little bit. 267 00:20:12.059 --> 00:20:16.200 But don't you think that that's what's actually happened? 268 00:20:16.319 --> 00:20:19.200 Because so he's still the master. 269 00:20:19.259 --> 00:20:23.460 And I think the costuming is really brilliant because he's wearing a black hoodie. 270 00:20:23.579 --> 00:20:29.519 So he's got a hood and you can see his red t-shirt, like the hem of his red t-shirt. 271 00:20:29.579 --> 00:20:35.640 And actually, this was at the same time that David Cameron, pre-being Prime Minister, was running his whole hugger hoodie campaign. 272 00:20:35.700 --> 00:20:36.720 All right. 273 00:20:36.779 --> 00:20:46.859 So he goes from being Prime Minister of Great Britain to being, you know, one of the kind of lowest members of society as far as status is concerned. 274 00:20:46.920 --> 00:20:55.859 I think that's kind of interesting because I think this story, and I'll get into it a bit later, is about hierarchy and status, you know, in a huge way. 275 00:20:55.920 --> 00:20:57.359 That I have no problem with. 276 00:20:57.420 --> 00:20:58.380 I think that's really good. 277 00:20:58.440 --> 00:21:05.819 But then what becomes of the master, you don't get character moments between him and the doctor, you don't get any exploration of that theme. 278 00:21:05.880 --> 00:21:15.720 You get the master turning into a Marvel or DC sort of villain and bouncing round the place and firing energy bolts from his hands and things. 279 00:21:15.779 --> 00:21:18.119 And I think that could have been any villain. 280 00:21:18.180 --> 00:21:18.960 Why is that the master? 281 00:21:19.019 --> 00:21:21.420 See, I agree with both of you. 282 00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:33.059 I think it's an interesting thing to make the master this sort of debased character who has lost all his power and sophistication and status. 283 00:21:33.119 --> 00:21:41.039 But I think making him into some sort of weird flying skeleton man is a move too far. 284 00:21:41.099 --> 00:21:46.980 But except that wonderful scene with the food truck where he eats the 2 ladies who are making sandwiches. 285 00:21:47.099 --> 00:21:50.640 Like we go back to the food truck and they're just kind of charred skeletons. 286 00:21:50.700 --> 00:21:53.339 And that's our only kind of death. 287 00:21:53.400 --> 00:21:57.779 Todd, you must have been hanging out for it. just love that. 288 00:21:57.839 --> 00:22:02.519 They cut back to it and you've got them still in their outfits, but they're child skeletons. 289 00:22:02.579 --> 00:22:30.359 I 1st out laughing because in the 1980s, the original series of V, there was this triangle between Charles, Diana, and Lydia, and Lydia was trying to poison Diana, but instead, the poison cup goes to Charles, and Lydia walks in, and she's talking to Charles, and the chair spins around, and there's this skeleton of a lizard in the V outfit, and it just reminded me of that so much. 290 00:22:30.420 --> 00:22:31.859 I think it's brilliant. 291 00:22:31.920 --> 00:22:52.319 And I love the fact that the master's this super, um, skeletor, you know, type creature because I think in, in all of this, the brilliance of Russell Teen Davis actually shines through because he keeps coming back to Wilf and saying, you know, you're not special or you're special and, and I keep meeting you, right? 292 00:22:52.380 --> 00:22:56.640 And at no point I actually think that it's going to be the knock 4 times thing, right? 293 00:22:56.700 --> 00:22:59.220 He's got all these other red herrings all the way through. 294 00:22:59.279 --> 00:23:07.019 It kind of reminds me a bit of the mask of men, Dragra, where you've got the count who thinks he's the main villain, right? 295 00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:08.039 But he's not. 296 00:23:08.099 --> 00:23:12.180 That's the Naysmiths, then you've got Hieronymus, which is really the master. 297 00:23:12.180 --> 00:23:18.119 And but behind all of that, you've got the Mandrago Helix, which of course is Wrestleon and the Time Lord. 298 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:20.880 And then we've also got the cactus people. 299 00:23:20.940 --> 00:23:35.339 So you've got all these different things that he's set up where you think, well, they're going to be the villain, they're going to be the villain, who is the villain, and everything keeps coming back to Will all the time to keep, but then they break away with a joke or a heartfelt moment or some plot thing. 300 00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:39.599 And so I have no problem with the master turning into Skeletor at all. 301 00:23:39.660 --> 00:23:56.039 I actually think it's really funny Although it does give us that appalling moment in David Tennant's acting where he's on the ground with John Sim and asks him something and I just thought that is the worst bit of acting that David Tennant has ever done in the history of his time on Doctor Who. 302 00:23:56.099 --> 00:23:58.079 I've got to find it in my notes. 303 00:23:58.140 --> 00:23:58.440 Sorry. 304 00:23:58.980 --> 00:24:05.339 Oh, yes, the master he is, he is like one, two, three, four, and the doctor says, what's inside your head? 305 00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:08.039 It's the worst bit of acting David Tennant has ever done. 306 00:24:08.099 --> 00:24:17.220 Is that the moment where the doctor realises and therefore the master realises that the 4 beats inside his head are real. 307 00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:19.319 So they're audible to tenet. 308 00:24:19.380 --> 00:24:20.940 I don't like that moment. 309 00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:31.799 But I think John Simmons spectacular in this, and I give him absolute kudos for all of the things that he has to get into all of those different outfits, you know, at the end and play all those different characters slightly differently. 310 00:24:31.859 --> 00:24:40.019 And even when he says like the master race, like it could have been so like so cheesy, but I just adore it. 311 00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:47.160 Like, I did not like John Sim back in season 3 originally at all, right? 312 00:24:47.220 --> 00:24:48.359 Second time through. 313 00:24:48.420 --> 00:24:49.740 Much improve. 314 00:24:49.740 --> 00:24:52.319 And I think he does a spectacular job here. 315 00:24:52.380 --> 00:24:59.279 And when he's hungry all the time, like ripping, doesn't it make you feel a bit sick, seeing all of that fast motion eating? 316 00:24:59.339 --> 00:25:01.559 It's meant to, isn't it? 317 00:25:01.619 --> 00:25:03.900 absolutely intentional. doesn't mean I want to watch it. 318 00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:08.759 And he's ripping that turkey apart and what we're doing now. 319 00:25:10.500 --> 00:25:12.420 Thanks, Peter. 320 00:25:13.019 --> 00:25:15.839 And David Harewood, is it? 321 00:25:15.900 --> 00:25:16.500 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 322 00:25:16.559 --> 00:25:19.079 David Herald is like mortified from Supergirl. 323 00:25:19.140 --> 00:25:19.799 Yeah. 324 00:25:19.859 --> 00:25:22.319 You know, I can't take him seriously. 325 00:25:22.380 --> 00:25:23.819 Like he's got gravitas. 326 00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:32.220 But he's got the English accent here and I'm so used to him being in retirement mode in Supergirl using John Jones using the American accent. 327 00:25:32.279 --> 00:25:42.960 But here, like the nice Mr. Built Up, and I'm going to make my daughter discovered the secret books and, you know, really, she's just like from the secret housewives of, you know, Cambridge on Thames or something like that. 328 00:25:43.019 --> 00:25:50.460 And so for me, it's like, I love the fact that Russell has created these really super crap villains who think they're all that, but they really are all crap. 329 00:25:50.519 --> 00:25:51.480 Yeah, yeah. 330 00:25:51.539 --> 00:25:55.920 And the fact that he loves her so much and he's going to put it on a pedestal and she's so appalling. 331 00:25:55.980 --> 00:25:59.099 Like it just is just, it's delicious. 332 00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:01.140 That is one of the things I quite like about this episode. 333 00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:03.720 The supervillains in it are really inept. 334 00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:06.119 Yeah, well, it's kind of funny, isn't it? 335 00:26:06.180 --> 00:26:07.740 And it is because they're a faint. 336 00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:10.559 It is because they're not the real villains. 337 00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:17.160 But I do think making them billionaires is interesting because you've got homeless people. 338 00:26:17.220 --> 00:26:22.980 You've got the middle class family, you know, the noble family, you've got billionaires. 339 00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:27.599 You've got the master who is makes his way up that hierarchy. 340 00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:37.740 Only, you know, once he hits the top of the hierarchy, suddenly he's SmackDown because there's something much, much worse than anything we've ever seen before in Doctor Who. 341 00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:39.299 And you've got the aristocracy coming back. 342 00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:40.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 343 00:26:40.500 --> 00:26:42.180 Well, that yeah, that's exactly it. 344 00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:42.599 Yeah. 345 00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:46.799 And you've got June Whitfield and the Silver Cloak. 346 00:26:46.859 --> 00:26:53.039 You've spent weeks now talking about how crap June Whitfield is in this, but I actually think... 347 00:26:53.099 --> 00:26:56.400 No, you're the one, Peter. 348 00:26:56.460 --> 00:27:00.660 You're the one, Peter, who has talked about how rubbish shit. 349 00:27:00.779 --> 00:27:01.859 June Whitfield can bite me. 350 00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:09.180 I think there's very, very little between her performances, mother on Ab Fab and her performance here. 351 00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:13.500 It's not quite as sort of demented as the mother in ab fab. 352 00:27:13.559 --> 00:27:14.940 Isn't that the whole point? 353 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:16.259 Yeah, exactly. 354 00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:16.859 Yeah. 355 00:27:16.859 --> 00:27:28.500 Like, she is supposed to be, you know, we've had a few whiskeys and scotches and, oh, it's June Whitfield and she knows she's comedy relief and she's playing for comedy relief, but it totally takes me out of things watching it now. 356 00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:30.660 It's a mugging for the camera. 357 00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:32.279 I mean, it's 0 god. 358 00:27:32.339 --> 00:27:38.579 And her friend, her friend who's so into David Tenner. who looks like who Richard Franklin friend. 359 00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:40.500 Oh, a bit of crumpet or whatever. 360 00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:42.839 He really wants David Tennant's photo. 361 00:27:42.900 --> 00:27:43.680 But that's the problem. 362 00:27:43.740 --> 00:27:44.519 They're both into him. 363 00:27:44.579 --> 00:27:48.180 And I afraid that being old doesn't give you license to grab someone's arse. 364 00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:49.680 Hashtag mini too. 365 00:27:49.740 --> 00:27:55.619 And she did it like every take, she pitched his parmada. 366 00:27:55.680 --> 00:28:00.660 But I think it works, Lieutenant, because Tenant is so kind of sexually confident as the doctor, you know? 367 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:02.160 Oh, so he doesn't have a bumby, has he? 368 00:28:02.220 --> 00:28:04.920 That's right. should lose a hand. 369 00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:09.359 So I don't, you know, like, I don't mind that at all. 370 00:28:09.420 --> 00:28:18.480 And I also like the fact that Russell allows old people to be sexual, which is not a thing that is normally sort of permitted on television. 371 00:28:18.539 --> 00:28:19.740 Junkie. 372 00:28:19.859 --> 00:28:21.599 She's not that old. 373 00:28:21.660 --> 00:28:24.119 Speaking as an old person. 374 00:28:24.180 --> 00:28:25.859 She's younger than you. 375 00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:26.640 No, no. 376 00:28:26.700 --> 00:28:28.200 Actually, June Whitfield is fine. 377 00:28:28.259 --> 00:28:31.500 She does mug for the camera and it is irritating and I love her. 378 00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:34.140 So, you know, me, my bones rot saying it. 379 00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:35.400 I love it too. 380 00:28:35.460 --> 00:28:36.779 But I just think it's hilarious. 381 00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:43.500 Like, you know, the master and the doctor are in that junkyard or boatyard or wherever they are. 382 00:28:43.559 --> 00:28:44.339 What is it? 383 00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:48.240 Well, I walked into that, didn't I? 384 00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:53.400 And then they just enter from stage left, like out of nowhere. 385 00:28:53.460 --> 00:28:57.359 Like, the camera just sort of cuts to them and it's like, where's the bus? 386 00:28:57.420 --> 00:28:58.019 Where they come from? 387 00:28:58.079 --> 00:28:59.279 Oh, no, they were all as a pack. 388 00:28:59.339 --> 00:29:01.319 They're moving as a pack and they've found him as a pack. 389 00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:04.619 And I just laugh at that bit of direction by Euroslim. 390 00:29:04.740 --> 00:29:07.019 They were just waiting behind some scrap. 391 00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:08.160 For their cue. 392 00:29:08.220 --> 00:29:09.839 Exactly, James, exactly. 393 00:29:09.900 --> 00:29:10.799 That is what it looks like. 394 00:29:10.859 --> 00:29:14.279 They're just polished off the remains of those people in the truck. 395 00:29:14.339 --> 00:29:16.859 Yeah, no, this is indicative of the problem. 396 00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:17.880 June wheatfield is fine. 397 00:29:17.940 --> 00:29:20.940 But the silver cloak is just dressing. 398 00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:23.759 And that's all this episode is it's all dressing. 399 00:29:23.819 --> 00:29:25.859 There's no meat on the bones, so to speak. 400 00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:31.559 You know, the silver cloak was actually a discarded idea that Russell came up with for partners in crime. 401 00:29:31.619 --> 00:29:33.000 Oh, really? 402 00:29:33.059 --> 00:29:35.220 It's also what the Vardens wore in the invasion of time. 403 00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:49.140 So, so was the idea, because it took Donna a year to find the doctor and the silver cloak do it in about 15 minutes, was it, was Wilf helping Donna find the doctor originally? 404 00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:50.640 Is that what was that the plan? 405 00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:52.500 Who knows? 406 00:29:52.619 --> 00:29:53.220 That's better. 407 00:29:53.220 --> 00:29:54.180 That's all I know. 408 00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:58.319 Yeah, Will wasn't really a live thing in the planning of series 4 in any case. 409 00:29:58.380 --> 00:30:00.059 He just ended up being there. 410 00:30:00.420 --> 00:30:04.019 Yeah, I mean, it's another one of those coincidences. 411 00:30:04.019 --> 00:30:11.940 And you can just about sell it because there's a line about there being lots of coincidences, you know, or no such thing as coincidence. 412 00:30:13.019 --> 00:30:20.220 The thing is, you have all that scene with, you know, let's get a photograph with the doctor and just as I'm beginning to get irritated. 413 00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:33.660 We then jump to Will from the doctor in the cafe, having that conversation with Donna turning up outside and just the emotional resonance and how sort of affected that I get by it all the time. 414 00:30:33.779 --> 00:30:40.079 So just when you have a, I find that in this episode, when I have a moment where it's like, oh, that's a bit crap. 415 00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:47.099 I then suddenly have a moment where I'm laughing or I'm really that he goes for the heart strings. 416 00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:50.940 I think David Tennant is really good in that scene. 417 00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:57.599 And when David Tennant has to cry and stuff, I usually find him like super irritating. 418 00:30:57.660 --> 00:31:08.700 But here, there's that moment where he's just about to burst into tears and where Wolf, you know, is so kind of heartbroken and his response is so just sort of warm and beautiful. 419 00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:14.220 And then it's diffused, like they kind of laugh or, you know, he doesn't quite come back. 420 00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:19.980 It's not quite jolly, but he sort of, he sort of pulls it together and kind of tries to make light of it. 421 00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:23.400 And it's so real and it's so good and tenant is great in it. 422 00:31:23.460 --> 00:31:24.720 It's a really good scene. 423 00:31:24.839 --> 00:31:27.180 And it's not overwrought. melancholy. 424 00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:28.380 Yeah, yeah, that's what you want. 425 00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:29.880 There will be overwrought later. 426 00:31:29.940 --> 00:31:32.940 Right, absolutely, there will. agree with you. 427 00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:38.759 It's one of the highlights of dated tenant in this episode, but it's also the fact that he's against Bernard Crippis, who's almost breaking down as well. 428 00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:44.160 And the scene also has a lot of like info sort of dump dialogue. you know, I'm going to die. 429 00:31:44.220 --> 00:31:46.200 He will knock full times, we keep coming back to that. 430 00:31:46.259 --> 00:32:04.380 And even if I change it feels like dying, some new man goes sauntering away, like all that foreshadowing of what's to come and and we've been through it all before, you know, these new, the new series fans have experienced it once already quite out of the blue. 431 00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:10.259 So now for the 2nd time with the doctor, they've loved for 3 years and universally loved. 432 00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:14.819 They know where it's all heading and how they're going to feel. 433 00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:19.619 And so I think those fields begin in that scene in this episode. 434 00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:21.299 It's funny, isn't it? 435 00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:31.200 Because when someone like Russell talks about or, you know, Moffatt or or people who grew up on the old series, talk about how it feels to have a new doctor. 436 00:32:31.500 --> 00:32:46.740 The show isn't apparently aware of that, you know, like there'll be a sort of heartwarming moment or something, possibly, um, or, you know, the Rani will just turn him over and it'll be, you know, Sylvester McCoy in a wig. 437 00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:48.480 I was heart warmed by that. 438 00:32:48.900 --> 00:32:52.200 But this show is super aware of it. 439 00:32:52.259 --> 00:32:54.539 And because it's the most popular show on TV. 440 00:32:54.599 --> 00:33:11.700 And I think we talked about this in our Planet of the Dead episode or I said that regeneration is a bit of a hack, you know, it's a bit of a, it's a tiny bit crap. they really do need to kind of let you know that they know how you're going to be feeling about this. 441 00:33:11.759 --> 00:33:27.539 And so the idea that the doctor fears regenerating and feels like it's an annihilation of his kind of self, that's not in the old show at all, but it sort of works here. 442 00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:32.039 Do you remember in Death of the Doctor, the Sarah Jane Adventures episode? 443 00:33:32.099 --> 00:33:37.380 where Matt Smith doctor says that it hurts, that it always does, that it's painful, you know? 444 00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:39.960 So that's that from the other direction. 445 00:33:40.019 --> 00:34:00.059 It's what we were saying about on the stolen Earth and Journey's End podcast about the fact that the audience is complicit in doctor at this stage because it is so popular and it is such an icon of television that you've got complete license to be emotional about the fact that David Tennant, the most popular doctor there has ever been, is leaving the series. 446 00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:05.819 I don't particularly like seeing the doctor get very emotional but it's totally warranted here. 447 00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:07.920 I kind of like it. 448 00:34:07.980 --> 00:34:13.260 It is the thing that that Russell's brought to the program is giving the doctor some interiority. 449 00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:18.420 And I remember that moment, the moment where Eccleston like tears up. 450 00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:21.360 You know, his face is otherwise completely immobile. 451 00:34:21.420 --> 00:34:27.960 He doesn't cry or, you know, there's no quivering bottom leap or anything, but he tears up when Jabe is talking to him about the Time Lords. 452 00:34:28.019 --> 00:34:31.619 I thought that that was an absolute just revelation. 453 00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:33.360 You know, it was so amazing. 454 00:34:33.420 --> 00:34:35.880 And I'm glad that he brought that to the show. 455 00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:41.639 I think my problem with it is that David Tennant tends to kind of overplay it a bit and he doesn't in this scene. 456 00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:42.900 No, he gets it right. 457 00:34:50.579 --> 00:35:00.719 The other thing that appears in this scene is, of course, Donna, and I think that she's amazing in this. 458 00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:03.119 I totally agree. 459 00:35:03.179 --> 00:35:10.500 You can see that the character, Nathan, has she's still Donna, but she's not the Donna from the Runaway bride. 460 00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:16.079 She she's not the donner that she ended up being, but there is growth there. 461 00:35:16.139 --> 00:35:20.820 The fact that she actually has a fiance and she can still give it to the ticket officer woman. 462 00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:21.659 Yeah. 463 00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:27.780 It's just lovely seeing Catherine Tate come back and do these small parts. 464 00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:32.699 It's intensely frustrating because I want these episodes to be about Donna. 465 00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:35.760 I want them her to be all throughout them and I wish she was. 466 00:35:35.820 --> 00:35:39.599 However, it was the correct decision by Russell. not to do that. 467 00:35:39.659 --> 00:35:43.380 And he knows that you wish she was the star of it. 468 00:35:43.380 --> 00:35:44.400 And that's incredible thing. 469 00:35:44.460 --> 00:35:52.739 And initially she, in the original draft original drafts of the script, she was in it a lot less. 470 00:35:52.800 --> 00:36:03.840 She was only supposed to make a short cameo and he decided to put her in more, but as this character who is floating around in the background is a shadow of her former self. 471 00:36:03.900 --> 00:36:10.559 But it works too, because it also gives the opportunity to bring in Sylvia. 472 00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:18.659 Yeah, and see the growth in Sylvia, like that hilarious scene where she says hello to the doctor or Merry Christmas or whatever. 473 00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:21.599 And, you know, the last time they did not end on very good terms. 474 00:36:22.019 --> 00:36:31.920 But, you know, she seems to have gotten past that to an extent and can share a bit of a moment and then berate him. 475 00:36:31.980 --> 00:36:33.119 Exactly, James. 476 00:36:33.179 --> 00:36:41.880 You know, I do want to say one more thing about that cafe scene because there's a choice that Auros makes, which is to shoot Donna and Sean through the window. 477 00:36:41.940 --> 00:36:43.739 Yeah, maintain that distance. 478 00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:44.760 Yeah, yeah. 479 00:36:44.820 --> 00:36:48.119 And so we are kept away from them. 480 00:36:48.179 --> 00:36:54.480 And there's that other scene where we see them opening Christmas presents and watching the Queen's speech and stuff like that. 481 00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:58.320 But they're also in the background too, because it's all, yes. 482 00:36:58.320 --> 00:36:59.880 From Wolf's perspective. 483 00:36:59.940 --> 00:37:00.360 Yeah. 484 00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:00.960 Yeah. 485 00:37:01.019 --> 00:37:08.579 So it is amazing getting her back, you know, having a companion back, but she's not allowed to interact with a doctor, she can never interact with a doctor at any point. 486 00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:12.900 And we so wanted it because those 2 were so magical together. 487 00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:14.940 It's really good. 488 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:17.880 And so Russell makes you feel the way that you feel. 489 00:37:17.940 --> 00:37:24.539 It's an exercise in restraint on Russell's behalf, and it's absolutely the right decision, but it's so frustrating. 490 00:37:24.659 --> 00:37:34.139 But it is the brilliance in his writing here that I think shines through all this emotional stuff that you want that to happen, but you're not going to get that. 491 00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:39.239 And then in that scene, giving Wolf the moment to piece together the naysmiths and the book. 492 00:37:39.300 --> 00:37:43.139 You know, it's another clue as to his importance. 493 00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:45.659 But you don't really realise that when you're watching it. 494 00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:56.340 Yeah, the 1st time through, it's just, it just happens, but it keeps coming back to him and keeps coming back to him and then he gets to get into the TARDIS and... thinks it's dirty. 495 00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:58.920 It's not as clean as I expected. 496 00:37:58.980 --> 00:38:05.639 So doesn't the script lampshade that bit where it's not really a good idea to park the TARDIS in the street outside where Donna lives? 497 00:38:09.659 --> 00:38:17.760 Lovely little comic moments with the emotional resonance that, you know, Russell gives us. 498 00:38:17.820 --> 00:38:19.860 And this episode gets it so right. 499 00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:24.059 You just want to spend more time with these characters and you get more time with these characters. 500 00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:48.840 And I think that that's what, I think that that's what he's doing, and I think the reason, perhaps, that the plot isn't particularly satisfying, there's almost nothing at all to it, is because his last, you know, biggest season finale ever, was so stuffed, had so many characters in it and was super plotty. 501 00:38:48.900 --> 00:38:54.840 And this time it's kind of like, no, let's just give David Tennant some time to do some things. 502 00:38:54.900 --> 00:39:02.460 Let's just let the audience spend some time in the world that the last 5 years of Doctor Who has created. 503 00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:21.599 And so, you know, there's a way in which this is a bit indulgent, but there is also a way in which he's giving space for us to say goodbye to this version of Doctor Who and cluttering it up with plot and science fiction things and stuff would just detract from that. 504 00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:23.639 I mean, I agree in one respect. 505 00:39:23.699 --> 00:39:27.480 I think Russell played his best hand with the stolen earth journey's hand. 506 00:39:27.539 --> 00:39:34.260 That felt like it should have been the end of the doctor because it was so warmly resonant at the show that had come. 507 00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:41.519 However, I slightly disagree because I think these episodes, especially this 1st one, are stuffed with plot, but it's meaningless plot. 508 00:39:41.579 --> 00:39:44.039 It's just it's talking about big plot. 509 00:39:44.099 --> 00:39:49.380 And so that detracts from these lovely scenes which you have with the family and everything because it gets in the way of those. 510 00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:54.000 I think you still have to give everyone sort of Doctor Who-ey things to do. 511 00:39:54.179 --> 00:39:57.300 But I mean, it's not like anything's very complex. 512 00:39:57.360 --> 00:39:58.559 It's not blink or anything. 513 00:39:58.619 --> 00:40:03.900 It is just super linear and a little bit sort of throwaway. 514 00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:13.559 There's a kind of, this is never an insult, but there is a kind of Sarah Jane adventures kind of vibe to the, to the nasmiths in a way. 515 00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:16.800 They're very two-dimensional, but for a reason. 516 00:40:16.860 --> 00:40:36.179 But I like the fact that we're now getting drawn into their world actually to their mansion and we're seeing their scientists that are helping them and the absolutely brilliant Sinead Keenan, who plays Adams, the scientist. 517 00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:43.440 And I'd just seen her, I think, playing Russell Toby's girlfriend, Nina, the werewolf, being human. 518 00:40:43.500 --> 00:40:45.179 In being human. 519 00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:47.340 And so I was really excited that she was in it. 520 00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:51.539 And it's interesting how like her and her offsider, whose name I cannot. 521 00:40:51.539 --> 00:40:52.440 I think it's Rossiter. 522 00:40:52.500 --> 00:40:53.460 It is Rossiter. 523 00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:54.900 I just call them the Meglos twins. 524 00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:56.219 Wow, that's super racist. 525 00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:57.480 Initially... 526 00:40:57.480 --> 00:41:00.179 Initially... 527 00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:03.659 Initially they were supposed to be called Shanshay and Shanshay. 528 00:41:03.840 --> 00:41:08.940 And with a slightly different pronunciation, but Wolf couldn't work out what the difference. 529 00:41:09.059 --> 00:41:15.179 I love the fact that they're sort of in the background and now they're sort of, you know, coming to the forefront and you know something's not right. 530 00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:22.320 And then, of course, David Tennant gets to meet them when they go downstairs and he gets to say the word Shimmer. 531 00:41:22.380 --> 00:41:26.760 And I love how he says Schimmer. schlock from the reboss of Horatia. 532 00:41:26.820 --> 00:41:27.960 And he keeps saying it. 533 00:41:28.019 --> 00:41:29.280 I just want to keep saying Shrimmer. 534 00:41:29.340 --> 00:41:30.239 Shrimer. 535 00:41:30.300 --> 00:41:31.199 And she's so great. 536 00:41:31.260 --> 00:41:33.659 I just love her energy as one of the cactus people. 537 00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:33.900 Sorry. 538 00:41:33.960 --> 00:41:36.659 She's kind of not putting up with any of his crap. 539 00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:39.900 I mean, that just seems to be her kind of default thing. 540 00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:43.860 She's kind of annoyed with him and not intimidated by him. 541 00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:45.179 I think she's really good. 542 00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:48.239 And do you remember that makeup? 543 00:41:48.300 --> 00:41:51.719 The green makeup is entirely computer generated. 544 00:41:51.780 --> 00:41:53.820 They didn't paint the actor's green. 545 00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:55.860 They put green prosthetics on them. 546 00:41:55.920 --> 00:42:07.019 And kind of faded into their skin tones and then had to digitally retouch every shot that they were in green because they went, oh, actually, that looks a bit pants. 547 00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:10.739 And in fact, another use of CG, and I've just read about time. 548 00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:23.699 So I didn't know this before this, that the turkey in the Queen's Christmas speech scene, because that takes place at 3 o'clock in the afternoon, the speech normally, rather than the morning. 549 00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:26.280 The turkey was raw on the set. 550 00:42:26.340 --> 00:42:33.239 And Russell realised that, of course, by 3 the turkey would be cooked, so they digitally cooked it in post-production. 551 00:42:33.300 --> 00:42:34.860 It's a computer effect. 552 00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:37.019 I didn't have too much budget on this show. 553 00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:38.579 Oh, that's fantastic. 554 00:42:46.019 --> 00:42:48.780 They've got the immortality gate. 555 00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:59.460 I love these names that Russell comes up with and the Nace Miske to talk about the immortality gate, but yet again, it's a slight misdirection because what they believe it to do is not actually what it actually does. 556 00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:06.659 And it's like with Donna having been memory wiped and if she remembers everything, she's going to die. 557 00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:16.619 Well, that's not exactly true, and this is another Russell trope that he likes to sort of give a certain information or an interpretation of what something actually does. 558 00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:20.460 It's our last anti-plastic of the era, isn't it? 559 00:43:20.579 --> 00:43:22.980 It's the immortality gate. 560 00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:24.300 It makes people immortal. 561 00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:27.659 It's really very simple and does what it says on the tin. 562 00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:31.260 It's the sort of techno babble that I actually really quite like. 563 00:43:31.260 --> 00:43:37.559 Because again, this is a Christmas special and it's being half watched, while drunk and full of turkey. 564 00:43:37.619 --> 00:43:39.900 And so it needs to be straightforward. 565 00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:42.539 But I like the fact that the master has the ability to repair it. 566 00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:43.320 He's a timelord. 567 00:43:43.380 --> 00:43:43.980 He's repairing it. 568 00:43:44.099 --> 00:44:01.320 And at the same time, then, you know, when he's talking to Adam's, the doctor's talking to Adams, you know, it makes people better, but why so big and there's these questions and then it's like, well, it doesn't, men's whole planets and then it's like the David Tennant run. like, this is much worse than we expected. 569 00:44:01.380 --> 00:44:04.139 Which we had at the beginning of the episode when he runs back to the Tartars. 570 00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:06.000 Like, this is really bad and then it's the run. 571 00:44:06.059 --> 00:44:17.099 You know how he jumps off the wall and it's like we've got to stop this and then it's all hell breaks loose because Skeletor gets to, you know, zap his hands and jump into the gate and everybody begins to shimmer. 572 00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:21.599 You know, things are really bad when David Tennant does that big run with his arms and legs everywhere. 573 00:44:21.659 --> 00:44:22.619 I love it. 574 00:44:22.739 --> 00:44:25.679 And it's such a new series thing because you can't run in the studio. 575 00:44:25.739 --> 00:44:27.420 You just don't have the space for it. 576 00:44:27.539 --> 00:44:30.420 And so now we're in location, the doctor can properly run. 577 00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:39.659 Wasn't there a story that either David Tennant, Matt Smith or Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi needed the same operation done on their knee because of the running down corridors. 578 00:44:39.659 --> 00:44:41.219 Tennant and Capaldi. 579 00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:45.539 So, Todd, let's talk about the cliffhanger then. 580 00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:51.960 I contend that it, well, I went on Twitter. 581 00:44:52.019 --> 00:45:05.039 I actually live tweeted my watching of this hashtag, Final Days of Planet Earth, and I made the bold contention that this was the best cliffhanger of the era, and I kind of want to defend that. 582 00:45:05.099 --> 00:45:11.099 And part of the reason is that I'd forgotten the final scene. 583 00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:25.320 And so I expected it to end with the master running around and I think Sim is wonderful in this because he's running from place to place and when he sees another one of him, he's super excited and he throws his arms out and he's jumping up and down. 584 00:45:25.380 --> 00:45:26.460 He's wearing dresses. 585 00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:29.039 I don't know how he did it as an actor. 586 00:45:29.099 --> 00:45:33.480 You would be so tired to have to go through all of those costume changes. 587 00:45:33.539 --> 00:45:37.980 I hope to God that they actually filmed it over several days. 588 00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:39.659 All on one fee as well. 589 00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:42.360 It deserves an extra fee for it. 590 00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:50.820 But I also like the fact that he talks about like in here, I think Russell throws in hypnotism and mind control and they're all going to become me. 591 00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:54.840 Like, I like all these little subtle explanations back or links back to the original series. 592 00:45:54.900 --> 00:46:01.980 It's like Shada, where Christopher Nemes' character, Skagra, wants to put his mind into everyone in the universe. 593 00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:06.059 And for a 2nd the doctor thinks that that's what the master's plan is. 594 00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:10.320 But the master's plan is much better than that because it's so ridiculous. 595 00:46:10.380 --> 00:46:18.480 And so those wonderful scenes where like Sylvia and Sean and Barack Obama all turning into the master. 596 00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:25.679 And remember, this is set on Christmas Day, let's say at the time it was broadcast. 597 00:46:25.739 --> 00:46:30.179 So it's also happening to the viewers at home and Barack Obama. 598 00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:31.920 My head was spinning watching this. 599 00:46:31.980 --> 00:46:36.360 But Barack Obama, it's like we've never mentioned the real... 600 00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:37.800 No, this is real. 601 00:46:37.860 --> 00:46:39.179 Why Obama? 602 00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:42.840 He went to great pains to avoid Tony Blair and George W. 603 00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:44.460 Bush in the sound of... 604 00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:45.360 Well, did he though? 605 00:46:45.420 --> 00:46:48.059 I mean, someone like George W. 606 00:46:48.059 --> 00:46:49.440 Bush was cast. 607 00:46:49.500 --> 00:46:53.940 And he kills Tony Blair and stuffs him in a closet in Aliens of London. 608 00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:56.460 He turns President Obama into the master. 609 00:46:56.579 --> 00:47:01.139 I mean, it's very definitely Obama, and I wonder why I made that decision. 610 00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:21.659 But I think it's so that it's the viewers at home because one of the things that you can do with, remember Pirate Planet episode 4 where Xanac is about to materialise around Earth, and I like to imagine that it's going to materialise around Earth while you're sitting watching the program, right? 611 00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:23.400 And that that's what the doctor prevents. 612 00:47:23.460 --> 00:47:27.059 He's actually preventing you, the viewing audience from being killed. 613 00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:37.079 Or in Daleks masterplan, where we know that the Daleks are on their way to contemporary Earth while we're watching it in those sort of middle episodes. 614 00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:38.280 On Christmas Day. 615 00:47:38.340 --> 00:47:39.119 Yeah, yeah. 616 00:47:39.179 --> 00:47:44.639 And so this is a cliffhanger that affects everyone who's watching the show. 617 00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:46.199 And so it has that. 618 00:47:46.260 --> 00:47:50.760 And so, you see, you're, like, your touchstone to be, to make it the real world. 619 00:47:50.820 --> 00:47:52.679 Yeah, that makes sense. that we're in. 620 00:47:52.739 --> 00:47:53.760 And so there's that. 621 00:47:53.820 --> 00:47:58.619 And I think that cliffhanger is visually superb and it's got John Sim being as fun as he ever is. 622 00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:03.719 It's really silly and funny, but also really quite threatening and terrifying. 623 00:48:03.780 --> 00:48:09.420 And then you get the 2nd cliffhanger, which is the narrator has been wrestle on all along. 624 00:48:09.780 --> 00:48:17.760 But before we get to that, we're also getting Donna having all of her flashbacks, which is intercut with the John Sims stuff happening. 625 00:48:17.820 --> 00:48:23.400 And so you've actually got 3 different things happening at once, is Donna going to die? 626 00:48:23.460 --> 00:48:26.340 Everybody's turning into the master race. 627 00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:27.420 I still want that. 628 00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:43.079 And then we get, I get chills with that narration when he says, you know, this was the day, the time lords returned, and then for galafre, for victory, for the end of time itself, I just, I'm getting chills now. 629 00:48:43.139 --> 00:48:49.739 I, I, it's just incredible that, it's, they, you look at me, complete just staying. 630 00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:57.780 Listeners, it's like, you know, Nathan's in one corner, like, you know, Jolly, Jolene, Peter's looking at me like, really, really. 631 00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:00.719 I do think that dialogue's a bit rubbish. 632 00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:03.119 Oh, it's super ripe, but of course it is. 633 00:49:03.179 --> 00:49:04.800 But it sells it. 634 00:49:04.860 --> 00:49:07.260 I just think it is, it's stunning. 635 00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:08.519 It gets to me every single time. 636 00:49:08.579 --> 00:49:10.139 I've got problems with the episode. 637 00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:11.760 You'll notice in my special book here. 638 00:49:11.820 --> 00:49:13.440 I've said, look at your special book. 639 00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:14.039 Not bad. 640 00:49:14.099 --> 00:49:25.139 I'm not in love with it. 7 out of 10 because I really, there are these moments that just get to me, which currently the current writing of Doctor Who doesn't do. 641 00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:26.400 Not bad, 7 out of 10. 642 00:49:26.579 --> 00:49:27.300 I am not in love with it. 643 00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:29.639 Is this your story notes or is this your little black book? 644 00:49:30.179 --> 00:49:31.800 Go away. 645 00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:32.760 I invited you. 646 00:49:32.820 --> 00:49:35.039 So I loved you in your race. 647 00:49:35.099 --> 00:49:38.519 Can I just say as well, that's taking Russell back to the start. 648 00:49:38.579 --> 00:49:42.840 That's that three-tiered cliffhanger, which was the 1st one he ever did for aliens of London. 649 00:49:42.900 --> 00:49:49.800 But admittedly, that cliffhanger was 3 instances of people unzipping themselves and threatening someone. 650 00:49:49.860 --> 00:49:50.639 Do you know what I mean? 651 00:49:50.699 --> 00:49:52.440 Like it, wow, that sounded... 652 00:49:52.500 --> 00:49:53.099 Yeah, that's right. 653 00:49:53.099 --> 00:49:55.320 So that didn't quite work. 654 00:49:55.380 --> 00:50:02.760 I mean, it worked in the sense that it lent on Jackie Tyler and how much we love her already, and it was Jackie Tyler in peril. 655 00:50:02.820 --> 00:50:11.820 So this has everyone turning into the master, Donna, who we also love in peril, with some exciting little flashback moments, which is sort of pretty cool. 656 00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:24.059 And then you've got James Bond himself in his richest kind of voice, in profile, spitting as he delivers this sort of terrifying speech because he's virtually rabid. 657 00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:25.500 Not the James Bond. 658 00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:28.679 Anyone cares about, no, but one of the best ones ever, though. 659 00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:30.239 Oh, don't you dare. 660 00:50:30.420 --> 00:50:34.380 You know that they actually initially asked Patrick Stewart. 661 00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:39.119 I don't think he's as good an actor as Timothy Doctor. 662 00:50:39.179 --> 00:50:42.900 I'm glad it's Timothy Dalton and he's got that craggy face and everything. 663 00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:45.420 I think he looks, he absolutely looks the bar. 664 00:50:45.539 --> 00:50:56.699 The only thing I don't particularly like at this point in all this is I do think the cutting to all the different masters around the world and all the paners ups and zones out does go on too long. 665 00:50:56.760 --> 00:50:59.219 I do sit there going, oh, just please, just quickly. 666 00:50:59.280 --> 00:50:59.880 Yeah. 667 00:50:59.880 --> 00:51:01.079 Like it's just a little bit. 668 00:51:01.139 --> 00:51:10.079 I think it helps having one of the scenes, the reason that we're in the council estate is because that's where Winston lives, which is Wilf's friend. 669 00:51:10.139 --> 00:51:14.579 And so that's why we get to be there and we get to see that happening. 670 00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:17.460 But yeah, I wanted it to be June Whitfield. 671 00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:20.280 I love that zoom out. 672 00:51:20.340 --> 00:51:23.880 You get that zoom out where everybody on the balcony is the master. 673 00:51:23.940 --> 00:51:30.119 No, but don't we zoom out even further and we zoom out over London and all you can hear is the master laughing. 674 00:51:30.179 --> 00:51:33.119 And it's not moaha laughing. 675 00:51:33.179 --> 00:51:34.800 You know, I now control the world. 676 00:51:34.860 --> 00:51:38.340 He's laughing because he's just delighted to see himself, you know? 677 00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:43.019 I really feel for John Sim having to keep laughing and laughing. 678 00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:44.280 John, we need another laugh. 679 00:51:44.340 --> 00:51:45.420 We need another laugh. 680 00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:46.679 Can you get dressed into this? 681 00:51:46.739 --> 00:51:51.420 But also, again, it is the audience because they've just finished watching this episode, like the master. 682 00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:54.659 They're full of Christmas turkey and whatever else is stuffed. he's face with. 683 00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:57.119 And they're having a good old laugh because they've just had a good time as well. 684 00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:30.239 Well, that's all we have time for this Christmas. 685 00:52:30.300 --> 00:52:37.199 We'll be back next week to clean up the mess and say au revoir to David Tennant's doctor in the end of time, part two. 686 00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:53.340 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts and you can keep up with us at flight through entirety on Facebook, at FDE Podcast on Twitter, and on our website, flight throughentirety.com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger, and Jody into Terror. 687 00:52:53.400 --> 00:52:56.760 Until next time, have a very merry Christmas. 688 00:52:56.820 --> 00:53:01.860 Enjoy your pork and beef and fat, and we'll see you again in 2021. 689 00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:04.440 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 690 00:53:04.500 --> 00:53:05.579 Ta-ta. 691 00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:06.000 Good night. 692 00:53:06.059 --> 00:53:06.780 See you soon. 693 00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:15.659 That was Flight 3 Entirety, starring Harold Saxon, Harold Saxon, Harold Saxon, Harold Saxon. 694 00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:19.619 Theme arrangement by Harold Saxon, String's performance by Harold Saxon. 695 00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:25.619 This episode, Do Something Big, was recorded on the 13th of December 2020 and released on Christmas Day. 696 00:53:29.460 --> 00:53:36.840 Of course, if Georgia Tennant is listening, we would like to apologise for any negative comments this episode about David Tennant's bum. 697 00:53:36.900 --> 00:53:39.719 Please don't be mean to us on Twitter, Mrs. Tennant. 698 00:53:39.780 --> 00:53:40.440 It's Christmas. 699 00:53:43.500 --> 00:53:44.639 I think we'd probably end it there. 700 00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:46.559 Don't you think? 701 00:53:46.619 --> 00:53:47.039 Yeah. 702 00:53:47.099 --> 00:53:48.420 All right, let me just read. 703 00:53:48.420 --> 00:53:51.780 Maybe I should redo that in my end of episode, sort of voice. 704 00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:54.840 Don't spit on the certain hate. 705 00:53:54.900 --> 00:54:01.019 And so we pull out and the audience has had a great time and so they're laughing along as well. 706 00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:05.099 The end of time. 707 00:54:05.099 --> 00:54:09.719 For Gallifrey, for victory, for June Whitfield herself. 708 00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:12.780 So good. 709 00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:16.260 It's got to be it's asking a tissue. 710 00:54:16.320 --> 00:54:19.500 It's got to be, it has to be that big, I reckon. 711 00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:20.340 It just has to be. 712 00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:22.079 It's so good It's so good. 713 00:54:22.139 --> 00:54:23.159 It's got such gramitous. 714 00:54:23.219 --> 00:54:26.760 But you know, this 3 tier cliffhanger has Eros Lynn directing it. 715 00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:28.679 The 1st one had Keith Bowack directing it. 716 00:54:28.739 --> 00:54:32.639 Can I just say, I hate the way he says the word master. because he's no master. 717 00:54:32.699 --> 00:54:33.840 He's Welsh. 718 00:54:33.900 --> 00:54:34.860 He doesn't know any better. 719 00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:36.480 Oh, I thought it sounded American. 720 00:54:36.539 --> 00:54:37.980 I just kind of thought, oh, can you just say Mars? 721 00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:39.360 That's a Welsh thing. 722 00:54:39.420 --> 00:54:40.139 Yeah, okay. 723 00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:41.940 Okay.