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Hello, dear listen, and welcome back to Flightthrough Entirety, a Doctor Who podcast of great power and wisdom and consolation to the soul in times of need.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm James.

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I'm Peter.

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And I'm Todd.

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Well, we're in a world entirely populated by John Sims, and I can't see any particularly persuasive reasons for leaving.

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Still, David's ultimate immolation approaches, and so it's time for us to sit down, wipe Timothy Dalton's spittle from our clothing, and discuss the final episode of Russell T. Davis's era, The End of Time Part 2.

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I think that this is really great, and I have to say that as someone who hates Galafre and, you know, I think it was pretty good in Deadly Assassin, but ever since then, it's been shockingly bad, and so this, I think, is really kind of magnificent, and, you know, it's very CG, like it's perhaps a little bit more ambitious than they can properly realise, but we go into this negative space, like a completely empty black room.

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Senate chamber from the Phantom Menace?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Wasn't it at the end of the last episode or was it this episode?

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So we did see that, but we also see him walking from that senate room across a kind of tree.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And then they're in this sort of space.

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And now we get the time war and it's been the thing that's been hanging over the program ever since it started and now we actually kind of see it.

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And we see it in a Doctor Who way.

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It's a lot of people talking about it, but we actually see it.

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I do love that they name check the moment.

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Yeah, so this is the introduction of the moment.

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And in fact, we were talking about this during the week.

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This is happening.

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This scene is happening at exactly the same time as the scenes with the general in.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So we report that the doctor has the moment he's going to destroy us all, somewhere else in the capital.

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The general's having that meeting.

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Oh, yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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I didn't know that.

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And Moffat does change things a bit because he wants to tell a slightly different story, but he rewrites this ending for the time war, but he refers to this ending and the moment he's Russell's creation.

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You said that you really like it.

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I have problems with this whole scene.

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I think Timothy Dolton, when he screams, I will not die, is so over the top.

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I just kind of go ugh.

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And then he doesn't know that it's earth, right?

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It has to be revealed through the visionary that's where they are.

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But in the previous episode, he's narrating the master and the doctor and what they're doing.

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So he knows what they're doing, but then he doesn't know where they are.

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So how does he know what they're doing, where they are, and he doesn't know where they are?

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I'm completely confused by logic.

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So that final speech looks like it's still part of the narration that Timothy Dalton's doing.

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And so perhaps it looks like he's telling that narration to the high council or whoever that is in that big room.

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But perhaps in retrospect, that's not what's happening because, as you say, why is he talking to the High Council about Earth and people having dreams and things?

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So generation episode one is occurring after this 1st sequence here when he knows where it is, and then, so it's all out of sync with time itself, which is a really appalling sort of, we're just explaining away plot holes.

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Well, I don't think it's a plot hole because I do think that what happens is you've got, you know, distinguished actor Timothy Dalton giving a narration and then that narration turns into him addressing the timelords.

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And so if you want to look at it that way, no one actually says that that's the narration for the 1st half of the story.

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He's not telling that story to the assembled time lords in Gallifrey. telling it to us.

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But then he intrudes into the story and it turns out he's a character.

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And so it doesn't quite work.

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But I think it's Timothy Dalton.

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I kind of agree with all of you to an extent.

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I think it does look good, although it's mostly played against black drapes and then against white drapes later on.

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But I'm so disappointed in the conception of the Time Lords from Russell, because Robert Holmes made something of them.

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He made them organic and interesting and funny.

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Whereas what Russell falls back on here is just standard sort of politicking and theatrics of people sitting around a big table remonstrating with each other.

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There's no charm and there's no wittiness to them at all.

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But isn't that the point?

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It may be the point.

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It's not entertaining to watch at all.

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So, I mean, what something has happened to the time lord since we last saw them?

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So in the initial scripting, Russell had wanted the time I was to have formed an alliance with the Daleks to show how far they had become debased in their attempts to escape from the time lock.

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Right.

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And then just toss that away.

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Okay, so they were all in the time locked together.

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Yeah, and trying to escape, but then Moffatt said, oh, I want to use them in victory of the Taleks. so he didn't.

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Yeah, I mean, he couldn't have destroyed the Daleks forever sort of thing.

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You never really did.

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We just brought him back.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But you see what I mean?

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lack of wittiness. in any of those scenes.

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And I understand that that's what he's going for.

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But that's not a reason to do it.

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I think because what's happening in this story is that the time lords are the most evil threat that the doctor has ever faced, that they've stopped being his home planet.

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And he knew that all along.

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And so while ever he was talking about his home planet and how it had gone and how he was the last of the time lords.

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The reason his last of the time lords is because he killed them all because they were going to destroy the entirety of creation.

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And so they are more evil than the daleks.

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And I think that's a really, really great thing to do.

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Even if it means that what you've got.

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I don't think there's no pleasure to be derived from Timothy Dalton shouting at people and exploding people and stuff at the table.

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And I think that you could still, you could still tell that story and keep Timothy Dalton's wrestle on pretty well unchanged.

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But the characters around him are utterly faceless.

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And so it's really just him shouting at the camera and at other people.

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Yeah.

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I do like when he explodes that woman, the partisan.

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I think that's sort of really quite fabulous.

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I thought it was Chancellor Flavia.

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No, no, no, it's Thalia.

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Are you sure?

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Yes.

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Is there anyone who doesn't think that the addition of like, you know, an Engian or a Kelna or a mind probe would not have made those scenes better and more fun?

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Well, there is that other guy that's there that keeps explaining it's grovelling a bit.

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I think that's probably that character.

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But he's not funny enough, is he?

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Maybe he could have been funnier.

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But what you were saying about the time lords and what they've become.

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I don't get that sense.

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But I mean, they are trying to destroy literally everything else.

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But I don't get that sense.

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Not at this point.

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At all. at all.

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Until right at the end where you suddenly get an info dump saying we want to transcend to beans of whatever.

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That's the only moment in time.

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And so I just don't think for me, Yeah, they're coming back, but I never get the sense of the real threat.

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It's all words spoken by David Tennant as opposed to showing us.

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So I just don't feel it as much as perhaps what you are feeling it.

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Yeah, I think that's fair.

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I mean, you get it a little, you get a little sense of it from Dalton's performance.

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I mean, he's so clearly a villain and he's wearing the torchwood resurrection glove, isn't he?

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I think we're meant to understand that that's what that is.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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I do see the similarity in the glove.

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I didn't necessarily think it was that particular glove, I want it to be.

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Let it let's have it be that.

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And you're right.

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We don't actually hear it.

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And when we do hear it, it's word peril, but it is that revelation at that point in the story, that what, and the master doesn't know it.

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You know, the master doesn't know that the time lords are.

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The problem that the time lords are going to pose to him isn't that they're going to lock him up or erase him from existence or anything like that.

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It is that they're going to destroy everything, that they're so much worse than him.

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And because he was away, he missed the end of the time or he didn't know that.

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I guess some of their, of what they've become, does perhaps shine through in the fact that they've used the master from a child and putting the beats into his head.

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And I do get that from that.

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That's my problem with the time laws in this episode.

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They've become Zog from the planet Zog.

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What you were saying, Todd, is we're meant to care about the fact that they're going to destroy the universe because we're told to care about it.

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It's Russell doing Omega from the Ark of Infinity.

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We're meant to care who Omega is because we're told to care about it as opposed to there being any resonance or involvement for the audience to make them appreciate it.

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At one point, Emmeka was supposed to be in this story.

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Oh really?

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What do you think about being wrestling?

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Because I liked jolly old wrestle on back from the 5 doctors when he was a floating head with a red beard and I kind of thought, oh, yes, he was a nice old soul that, you know, sort of steered the Time Lords in the days of old and he's obviously been resurrected like the master.

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I mean, could it have been Barusa or?

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So what we're trying to do, I think, is this is the 1st time that the people in the new series have seen Galafre.

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They know nothing of the mind probe.

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They know nothing of those plastic sofas.

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This is their 1st shot at Galifre.

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And I think Russell gives them the name Rassalon, so they can have that as well.

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And so it could have been anyone.

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The name Rassalon is thrown away in one line of dialogue.

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He's just the president until then.

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And it's a surprise to us who have seen the show before, but it doesn't matter.

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Now the kids have a wrestleon and they can have that word as well as part of their Doctor Who fandom.

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So I thought that was a kind of generous thing to do.

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And the partisan, that fabulous, who I do think is really quite fabulous.

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She's sort of super poshen, a little bit dismissive.

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She says people are dying and being resurrected and dying and being resurrected.

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This is a time war.

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It's super weird.

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Russell's time war is much weirder than Moffatt's time war.

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Moffatt's time war is just, you know, guns.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Whereas, whereas Russell's is always sort of much weirder than that.

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He has like the silver devastation.

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Maybe the silver cloak is part of the nightmare.

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It's all those all those things that David Tennant spurts out like, which make no sense in my head at all.

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And I think that's the point of them.

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I think the time war is ultimately supposed to be incomprehensible. got to be described in terms that are super suggestive but utterly weird.

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Is that dramatically satisfying?

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Well, I mean, how much more dramatically satisfying is, I guess those scenes in the time war in Day of the Doctor are pretty good, but they're also pretty generic as well.

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That scene where the doctor is facing off against Wrestleon, and is there in a big dramatic moment, the music swelling, saying, back into hell, Wrestleon, or whatever that line is, is, I think, the Nadir of Russell's Doctor Who, because it's everything he set out not to do when he brought the show back.

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He didn't want the doctor remonstrating against kind of aliens in pompous terms, against sci-fi settings and things.

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He wanted some character warmth there.

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And I think he shouldn't have brought back the time lords.

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Or if he did, he should have done something interesting, put a spin on them, like Bob Holmes did, because otherwise he's left with the thing he didn't want to do, and he was right.

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He was vindicated in that decision.

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I mean, I guess the spin that he puts on them is that they're more evil than the Daleks, but maybe that's not so interesting.

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I mean, it's, you know, we have to remember that all of the people, all of the 10000000 people watching this know what Galafre is and know who timelords are.

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Actually 12.270000000 by the end of it.

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Right.

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So there's like 272 or 12.273.

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Well, mine is the naceness.

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But so I think Julie was right in saying this is the one thing we haven't touched and we need to do it before we go.

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But yeah.

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Well, I'm glad that he did.

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And I don't necessarily have a problem that there is generical whatever we want to say.

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You like them a lot, Nathan, you don't, Peter.

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He's proving why we don't want them and we've brought them back and we've now covered that and we can never see them again. move forward.

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They lack campness.

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Yeah.

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And I'm surprised to Russell for that.

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But, and, you know, I want to emphasise the fact that the only reason I'm disappointed is that I expected Russell would do so much more with them.

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You have a camp villain, though, already in the master.

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And one of the ways of coding someone is villainous in Doctor Who is to give them no sense of humour.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So we obviously cut back from Galifre back into what's going on on Earth and the master's got the doctor all strapped up.

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Donna's phoning Wilf.

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The master winks at Wolf, I think, is hilarious, and then I love that line.

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He loves playing with Earth girls.

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What is all that winking because Tenant does it as well?

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Tenet winks at the master?

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Right, leading a defence weapon for Donna, again, with the Donna flashbacks and her hole exploding with energy and collapses and the typical Russell has not told us the whole story.

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This is, you know, he's got a get out of jail free card for Donna.

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Yeah, it's one of those things where it's not exactly what we were told and almost certainly not what he was thinking at the time, but it's like I have this sort of set piece that I want to do for the cliffhanger and I'll just paper over it a little bit with a little bit of dialogue.

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But I love that the master doesn't want to hear anything from the doctor, right?

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He doesn't want to hear anything and then when this happens, then he does take off the tape over the doctor's mouth and then the doctor's trying to persuade him to travel with the stars and with my honour.

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So I kind of like this scene for the interaction between all 3 of them, but particularly John Sim and David Tennant.

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Yeah, I think the last episode was lacking some of this.

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And something that Moffat returns to with Missy in a big way.

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And the show is all better for that, I think.

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But we're getting ahead of ourselves.

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But you mean the idea that the master could be redeemed?

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He could actually make a decision he doesn't have to own the world.

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He can just see it.

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And the doctor just gives him a Florana speech, doesn't he?

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And he kind of rejects it.

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And the only reason that he rejects it, why?

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Everybody's water wing.

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No, you know why he rejects it because he then says, will the drumming in my head stop?

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And so the only reason he can't be redeemed is because the Time Lords did that to him. in this episode do it to him.

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And so that also, you know, puts them above him as villains, makes them his enemy and makes them more evil and manipulative.

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Like so now they're responsible for every death that the master has caused for all of the harm that he's caused.

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Yeah.

217
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It makes narrative and thematic sense. as we knew it would with Russell Rice in it.

218
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I just question it's entertainment value.

219
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Yeah, no that's fair enough.

220
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And I do like the entertainment value towards the end of this scene where the master gets distracted because he wants to triangulate with a 6000000000 of himself.

221
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And then, you know, the smugness of the doctor like that person is one inch too tall.

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And then he gets rescued.

223
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Master just gets knocked out and it's like worst rescue ever.

224
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I think it's the most hilarious line as they're coming down the stairs.

225
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I love that.

226
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Meg Lost Twins to the rescue.

227
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You know how we were talking last week about David Tennant being injured?

228
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He had actually had just threw some head back surgery before that scene.

229
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And in long shots.

230
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It's a mannequin.

231
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Yeah, it's plastic David Tennant.

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You can tell if you look closely, but it is pretty well done.

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You may not ever have noticed, and it's clear from the confidential that it's not David Tennant in the trolly going down the stairs.

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Wow.

235
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But before we do that, there is a whole bunch of staff, when I tweeted about this earlier in the week, friend of the podcast, Kevin, tweeted to me some excerpts from the script where the master seems to be hitting on himself, where one of the masters, like I think the Chinese one, who the master speaking to, is sort of super hyper, as if he's been on drugs.

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I think he says, I think this one's been self-medicating, and then the master instructs him to go off and shoot himself and he shoots himself in the head, like off camera and stuff.

237
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And so there's all this sort of fun camp interaction between all of the masters that just doesn't make it to the final version of the story.

238
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And it might have been more fun because, you know, at that moment where he winks at Wilf, he's doing the master thing, which is be more fun than the doctor, threaten to be more charismatic and interesting than the doctor.

239
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And I love that.

240
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That's the best thing about the character.

241
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It's Perry from the caves around Rosani, isn't it?

242
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Why is she doing that British accent because there's a whole cut scene where she's mocking the doctor's British accent?

243
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Yeah.

244
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Yeah, okay.

245
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That's cool.

246
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Yeah, no, it's really fun.

247
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You're going to have to give it to John Sim.

248
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The amount of stuff that he had to do and now this as well.

249
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All of the new series Masters are pretty attractive.

250
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They get more attractive as they go along.

251
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It has to be said.

252
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Yeah, no, I think John Sim is really great.

253
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I think we have been really lucky with all 3 of them.

254
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John seems a star performance.

255
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I mean, he undoubtedly brings the scenes that he's in in these episodes to life, even more so than in the sound of drums because these episodes are not placing the master at the centre of the show.

256
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Yeah.

257
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I think there are some scenes and we did say this at the time.

258
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I think there are some scenes in sound of drums in particular that I where I don't think his performance quite comes off.

259
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But here is perfect.

260
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I just think he's wonderful.

261
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He actually nails it in the Capaldi 2 parter, where the master is not intrinsic to proceedings at all and is more of a Greek chorus kind of standing by going, well, that'll never work.

262
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Now, come on.

263
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And so maybe he works better when he's not at the centre of a scene.

264
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Can you explain to me, like, you know how Timothy Dalton throws that white point star into the projection, is that supposed to be the time vortex just right there in front of his table?

265
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I think it's almost literally magic, isn't it?

266
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Like he throws the white point star at an image of Earth and then it ends up landing on Earth.

267
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I don't understand how it can get out of the so there's just some technology or something.

268
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Oh, they do say that, something small and perfect.

269
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In fact, one of the things people...

270
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People often accuse Russell of being a bit sort of sloppy with this sort of stuff or failing to explain bits of it or whatever.

271
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And whether it's because, as you say, Peter, he's running out of steam and he has to feel in the running time or something.

272
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But they go to great length to explain how that works. the reason that they do it like that is because it looks good.

273
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Yeah.

274
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Yeah, you paper over it with dialogue.

275
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Yeah.

276
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So I think the idea is that they can send the message, can't they, through the untempered schism to drive the master mad and then they can hear that so that they can get something out of the timelock to where they want to end up, which is a...

277
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Yeah, but it's something small and perfect.

278
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Or there's some dialogue saying, yeah, that that's that's why it's going to work.

279
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And then it lands and the master finds it and he brings them.

280
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I don't have a problem with the dialogue.

281
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I think you're quite right.

282
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Russell often has explanations that people miss because it's it's a short explanation that he doesn't want to go into, but it's enough to explain it, but it's just the throwing of that into that thing about the table that I just kind of go, is this where you would do it or is there a specific point?

283
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It just throws me a bit.

284
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It gets it done really quickly without it, us having to go to the teleport chamber or something like that.

285
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And it works on the logic of, you know, a visual logic where that's a picture of earth and so it ends up in earth.

286
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Or an open-ended power boosted transit beam.

287
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You know, in the 5 doctors special edition, how they replace the black triangle with the Mr. Whippy crystal thing.

288
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I'm still angry about that.

289
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Doesn't it look like one of those little things that he throws into the...

290
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So anyway, they get beamed up to a spaceship.

291
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Oh, yeah, that happens really quickly, doesn't it?

292
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One last trip to the paper mill.

293
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Ed Thomas's famous paper mill.

294
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But right from the get go, you've got wolf looking out at earth from above and the emotions that he gets from it and you are taking that on board.

295
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It's back to the end of the world, isn't it?

296
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The same scene where Rose is looking out of the porthole down at Earth.

297
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It's really, it's really great.

298
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You know that the original idea, one of, you know, Russell in the writer's tale talks about some of his, some of the things that led to the story.

299
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And this was always supposed to be a small scale one.

300
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He wanted the doctor to regenerate to save one person and someone just any someone else.

301
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He lands on an alien spaceship and they're, the reactor is about to go critical and he saves them but dies in the process of saving a normal family.

302
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Yeah.

303
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Oh, Moffat steals that wholesale.

304
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Well, I mean, he saves a planet, doesn't he?

305
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Night of the doctor.

306
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Yeah.

307
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Oh, yeah.

308
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Yeah.

309
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So this is kind of the remnants of that, this spaceship, isn't it?

310
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And so it's just 2 random aliens on a spaceship.

311
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And it is really just marking time, isn't it?

312
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That scene with Wolf looking out over the earth and talking to the doctor is like a coder to the scene in episode one, whether in the cafe, because, again, it's just the 2 of them talking and you get flashes of that Russell brilliance in that scene.

313
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The dialogue, my wife's buried down there.

314
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Yeah.

315
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Who would have thought of that?

316
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It's beautiful.

317
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And the fact he's talking about his war service.

318
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It's just like, you know, the entire episode is filled with flashes like that, but unfortunately they're just flashes.

319
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Yeah.

320
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And that was inspired by a conversation that Russell had had with Bernard.

321
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He had been in the war in Palestine at the end of the war.

322
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And so that's actually him, you know, paying tribute to him.

323
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It's great too, that scene, because a lesser writer, well, maybe even just an ordinary writer would, in order to emphasise how dire the threat is.

324
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The doctor would have taken the gun.

325
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And he doesn't, he refuses it a bunch of times, and when does he finally take it?

326
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It's at the end of the seniors.

327
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It doesn't work. push it onto him?

328
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At the end of the scene, I think, when doesn't the master broadcast that it's a white point star?

329
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Yeah.

330
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And so the thing that makes him take the gun is that the time laws are right.

331
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Yeah, until then he won't.

332
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He won't take the gun to kill the master.

333
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He absolutely won't.

334
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You know, even when, even when Will says to him, don't prioritise the master, don't put the master ahead of all of the people on earth.

335
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Don't you dare.

336
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Don't you dare.

337
00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:17.759
You know, it's so good.

338
00:25:17.819 --> 00:25:23.819
It's such a good scene and even then he won't take the gun and then, oh, it's the time lords are back.

339
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Then he takes the gun immediately.

340
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It's so good.

341
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I love the fact that that, I think that scene is probably one of the most stunning scenes in this entire 2 parter.

342
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But I like the fact that leading up to it, Wilf has had another encounter with the woman in white, and then when we get to the end of that scene, then they're running back through corridors to repair the ship, and David's doing a huge info dump about the time lords as he repairs the ship, but it's, it's, I just find it very clever writing that you, you have that moment in the middle of running through corridors and running through the paper mill before it and after it.

343
00:26:01.980 --> 00:26:06.839
There's a lot of really time efficient writing here.

344
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Yeah, he keeps it going.

345
00:26:08.819 --> 00:26:15.839
It is essentially sort of marking time until the plot kicks back into gear, but it's not that nothing happens.

346
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They're not just sitting around talking.

347
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That's right. not people sitting around a table and talking, though that might be intercut with it.

348
00:26:22.259 --> 00:26:25.500
It's still, the stuff in the spaceship is actually really good.

349
00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:38.759
And the structure of this episode, I think, is better than the last one, because you do get quieter scenes like that, and that's followed up by that big Han Luke and the Millennium Falcon shooting at Thai Fighters scene with Wilf, which is just, you know, you've got to love that.

350
00:26:38.819 --> 00:26:42.720
Yes, but he gets to say, Alon Z, you know?

351
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One last time.

352
00:26:43.619 --> 00:26:44.880
Yeah, it's great.

353
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I think that that is really good, isn't it?

354
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Because he's up there.

355
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We can't do anything.

356
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We're trapped.

357
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We, you know, what's going to happen.

358
00:26:53.220 --> 00:26:58.740
And then he just sort of goes, actually no, it's time for me to be the doctor and actually kind of do this.

359
00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:01.859
And so he gets a hero moment on the way out.

360
00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:07.619
Doctor Who fans, I think, hate spectacle.

361
00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:09.839
They love plot, but they hate spectacle.

362
00:27:09.900 --> 00:27:12.480
They think spectacle is meretricious.

363
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It's cheap.

364
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They could never afford it back in the back in the classic series.

365
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That's right.

366
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Because we spent 26 years watching squabbling rubber and people standing talking urgently in corridors.

367
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We decided that that was much more grown up, but that was a much greater televisual pleasure than special effects and things, you know, that's for stupid people.

368
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But in fact, that sequence where, you know, the master's firing his missiles and Wilf is in the cockpit in Luke's cockpit on the Vinvocci spacecraft is absolutely superb.

369
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You can't have a heart of stone not to enjoy it.

370
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I just love the fact that Sinead is so, like, not into the whole thing and then she's running from one side of the ship to the other and throwing up her hands and going, whatever, you know, it's like, it's just comedy gold, which feels great tumbling from side to side acting like in Star Trek.

371
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But I just love all the point of view shots with all the missiles and going around and it's just it's, it's, you need that bit of action to lift the episode into the final moments.

372
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But the way they get written out.

373
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Oh, he said he was going to die.

374
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And they just bugger off.

375
00:28:23.819 --> 00:28:26.339
That's great, Jay, I think is hilarious.

376
00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:27.900
Eric Saywood would have had them killed.

377
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Horribly, horribly.

378
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I think they should come back.

379
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Say it 3 times.

380
00:28:33.539 --> 00:28:34.980
They'll get their own big finish series.

381
00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:36.900
They've been bot cheated in botch.

382
00:28:36.900 --> 00:28:40.319
I mean, they've tried to do a sequel to Megloss before and it didn't come off.

383
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It's waiting there for Chris to, you know, take that on.

384
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Volce and me.

385
00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:45.779
He said, yeah, it's great.

386
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:48.359
All of these sort of the quieter scenes and then the action scenes.

387
00:28:48.420 --> 00:28:51.119
It is masking the fact a little bit that there is not much plot.

388
00:28:51.180 --> 00:28:54.359
I mean, we've basically had capture, escape, recapture.

389
00:28:54.420 --> 00:28:56.160
If I wanted that, I watched Frontier in space.

390
00:28:56.339 --> 00:28:58.140
I mean, it's fine.

391
00:28:58.200 --> 00:28:59.279
It's absolutely fine.

392
00:29:08.339 --> 00:29:18.839
Then the doctor jumps out of a spaceship from a very large height and survives that fall, which is a precedent to the woman who fell to earth.

393
00:29:18.900 --> 00:29:22.799
Yeah, well, she just regenerated so she can fall through a whole railway carriage.

394
00:29:22.859 --> 00:29:25.200
I don't think he falls all that far, does he?

395
00:29:25.259 --> 00:29:34.380
Like when we see the spaceship, it's flying sort of fairly low over the water and stuff and heading towards the sort of thing. still think it's a very large fall.

396
00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:36.960
I think that's a nice little throwback to Legopolis.

397
00:29:37.019 --> 00:29:38.099
I think it's a fake out.

398
00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:40.200
I think that we think that's what's going to kill him, right?

399
00:29:40.259 --> 00:29:45.720
And, of course, the other thing that we think is going to kill him is the time lords, and they don't.

400
00:29:45.779 --> 00:29:50.640
And instead what actually kills him, I mean, literally kills him, is radiation.

401
00:29:50.700 --> 00:29:54.000
So that's another throwback to Planet of the Spiders.

402
00:29:54.059 --> 00:29:54.539
Yeah.

403
00:29:54.539 --> 00:29:55.140
Yeah.

404
00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:56.640
But I think it's a it's a faint.

405
00:29:56.759 --> 00:29:59.339
I think that we're supposed to think that he's gonna die of this.

406
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:00.240
From that, yes.

407
00:30:00.299 --> 00:30:01.680
Yeah, because he's covered in blood and stuff.

408
00:30:01.740 --> 00:30:03.059
No, totally agree.

409
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:06.900
Literally, we thought he was going to be war games.

410
00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:10.259
Then planted the spiders and then Lagopolis.

411
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:12.839
If only he'd been time in the Rani.

412
00:30:12.900 --> 00:30:17.339
No, David Tendon is not going to regenerate because of some massive thing.

413
00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:21.240
He going to bump his head on the console, that dirty console and regenerate.

414
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:30.779
So we're now at the time lords are returning and they're materialising in Naismith's parlour.

415
00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:33.180
Yes, because that's where the link is.

416
00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:41.940
And then it's Timothy Dalton, his guards, and these 2 women who have their hands up over their faces, one of whom we get to see, and the other one we don't.

417
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:43.680
Yeah, the other one's Susan.

418
00:30:43.740 --> 00:30:44.339
Yeah, yeah.

419
00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:45.240
Snap.

420
00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:47.759
Who else is it going to be?

421
00:30:47.819 --> 00:30:48.420
His mother.

422
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:50.099
No, Claire Bloom's his mother.

423
00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:53.279
So the other one is the woman that's covering her face.

424
00:30:53.819 --> 00:30:54.119
Yeah.

425
00:30:54.180 --> 00:30:58.259
Do you know, were those sequences shot at different times?

426
00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:00.539
Was Timothy Dalton's just shot from one point of view?

427
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:01.680
Does anybody know?

428
00:31:01.740 --> 00:31:03.059
Bills like that, doesn't it?

429
00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:05.640
Just the way in which the camera is positioned.

430
00:31:05.700 --> 00:31:10.319
I just get the feeling that they could be talking to somebody off camera rather than the actual.

431
00:31:10.859 --> 00:31:13.980
I think sometimes we see, you know, the reverse shot.

432
00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:18.660
I think sometimes we see tenet, like the tenets between the camera.

433
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:21.180
The blocking is very stagey in that sense.

434
00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:23.099
I think I don't think that really works.

435
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:25.799
That scene where he turns around and around and around and around.

436
00:31:25.859 --> 00:31:26.880
I think that's a bit stupid.

437
00:31:26.940 --> 00:31:31.619
And I think too, we've had the master wink at Will.

438
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:35.819
It would be great if the doctor winks at the master and the master gets it.

439
00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:42.599
You know, this is smart, and then he shoots the, you know, the link out or whatever.

440
00:31:42.660 --> 00:31:47.220
I think that would have been good because at that point, the master and the doctor are on the same side, aren't they?

441
00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:52.380
that they're facing something much, much more evil and much more destructive than either of them.

442
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:56.579
And so it would have been nice to have seen them work together, sort of one last time.

443
00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:02.519
And it does become obvious in that scene how far gone the time lords are.

444
00:32:02.579 --> 00:32:12.720
And I do like, I do like the staging as to an extent with the doctor and the gun clicks, although that's technically not how that revolver works.

445
00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:21.839
And the music and the shaking and all that then stops at a certain point, but I'm jumping a bit ahead, you know, Rustling gets to change everybody back.

446
00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:30.900
Yeah. from the master into themselves and so you get to see the characters you care about. and Smith.

447
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:35.579
And yeah, and Gallifrey, of course, materialising outside and...

448
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:38.039
Yeah, see, that's that's Russell's greatest hits, isn't it?

449
00:32:38.099 --> 00:32:39.660
You know, the planet's in the sky again.

450
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:42.900
And he makes a difference by making that planet so incredibly big.

451
00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:45.480
It looks it looks really ominous.

452
00:32:45.539 --> 00:32:49.619
And it's rolling towards us in the shots on earth.

453
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:57.960
So the planet is actually rolling towards us, which makes it, you know, it's just Sylvia in the foreground going, oh, another one, another planet.

454
00:32:58.019 --> 00:33:01.200
I'll have to get some more new ornaments after this.

455
00:33:01.259 --> 00:33:04.980
Like a steamroller towards a loony tune on the phone.

456
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:07.259
So good.

457
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:15.420
But I think it's really great that the master gets the opportunity to take that down. wrestle on ultimately.

458
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:17.220
I'm not sure where the master goes.

459
00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:19.980
Everything just fades to white, so does he just get sucked in with them?

460
00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:21.000
Yeah.

461
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:23.339
Well, it goes to Mondas, doesn't he?

462
00:33:25.619 --> 00:33:35.519
I think it's a good payoff because the last time Rastlon and the masterface to off-wrestle on was a pantomime ghost and the master was trussed up like a chicken on the floor of the vault.

463
00:33:38.819 --> 00:33:41.220
So that's a Christmas story as well.

464
00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:43.980
So it's the master's revenge.

465
00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:44.819
Correct.

466
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:48.119
Whose crimes will be punished in the end?

467
00:33:48.420 --> 00:33:59.579
I will say, I didn't, when I, when I watched this originally, I didn't get it that the doctor was going to shoot the machine so that it would then explode and everything would just revert back, like I didn't see it coming.

468
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:07.079
Um, like when everything fades to white and wolf is trapped.

469
00:34:07.619 --> 00:34:24.179
All throughout these 2 episodes watching this again, there are so many, Russell's pointing us in the direction of wealth all the time and then suddenly just doing a left or right turn very quickly with humour, with some emotional beat, something else, to take our mind away for it, but he keeps on directing it back.

470
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:34.139
And until he knocks that 4 times, like I, and the music then just goes from triumphant and then slowly goes, like goes down.

471
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:36.360
It's so well done.

472
00:34:36.420 --> 00:34:38.159
It's super well done.

473
00:34:38.219 --> 00:34:43.019
And it's one of those things that writers do, good writers do all the time.

474
00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:45.119
They tell you what they're going to do.

475
00:34:45.179 --> 00:34:46.440
It's exactly what you said.

476
00:34:46.500 --> 00:34:47.820
Wolf's all the way there.

477
00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:49.019
He's central.

478
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:50.519
We're told it over and over again.

479
00:34:50.579 --> 00:34:53.099
He's bound up with a doctor's fate.

480
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:53.880
All of that.

481
00:34:53.940 --> 00:35:02.519
We know it's wealth, but we've even forgotten wealth is there, and it's completely quiet, and it's kind of like, well, what possible threat is there?

482
00:35:02.579 --> 00:35:03.659
Do you know what I mean?

483
00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:05.280
Like he fell through the roof.

484
00:35:05.340 --> 00:35:06.539
That's not going to kill him.

485
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:08.219
Rastalon's not going to kill him.

486
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:12.780
He's not sacrificing himself to get Gallifrey to go because the master does that.

487
00:35:12.780 --> 00:35:13.739
And he's there.

488
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:15.480
It's just like, well, what's going to kill me then?

489
00:35:15.539 --> 00:35:18.780
And that's what we're thinking because we all know it's a regeneration story.

490
00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:20.460
And he even has the line.

491
00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:21.420
I'm alive.

492
00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:22.139
I'm alive.

493
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:26.880
And then knock, knock, knock, and it's like, oh, my God, like, exactly.

494
00:35:26.940 --> 00:35:33.480
You see it coming now. you see it coming and then every single time you just get misdirected away from it.

495
00:35:33.539 --> 00:35:37.739
Just when you, I think you're about to make that link in your head, you get distracted.

496
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:39.239
It's very clever.

497
00:35:39.300 --> 00:35:43.500
And I love the fact that it's 4 knocks, but it's 4 lots of 4 knocks.

498
00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:45.179
Like it just, it just, yeah.

499
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:50.820
And it's, they sort of tend to, if not, too. you know, we had the master hitting barrels with a with a big stick.

500
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:56.639
And last episode, even like you only get 3 knocks in the waters of Mars thing as well.

501
00:35:56.699 --> 00:35:59.460
It's always these big bangs, but this time it's not.

502
00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:02.099
It's just him tapping with his nail on the glass.

503
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:09.420
And the reason he's in that position is that he allows a young technician to escape.

504
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:14.699
So the technician says, I can't get out unless that door is closed.

505
00:36:15.059 --> 00:36:18.780
And so he takes the young technician's place.

506
00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:22.980
So he's rescued someone and then there he is.

507
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:36.780
And the scene is so, like, it's really quiet, you know, like it's completely quiet, and all of this sort of histrionics and stuff has all gone away, and it's, it's very, very good, I think.

508
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:44.760
See, I find the whole speech from the doctor to Wilf. really, really cruel.

509
00:36:44.820 --> 00:36:45.900
It's awful.

510
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:47.460
I think it's meant to be, though.

511
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:52.019
I think it's meant to be the doctor wallowing and he's self-pity before he does the right thing.

512
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:55.199
But I think that's a step too far.

513
00:36:55.260 --> 00:37:03.659
It just, it feels really wrong in in the character's mouth and and to say that to a character we've grown to love.

514
00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:05.699
To Bernard Crippens.

515
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:08.460
You don't yell at Bernard Cribbons. rule one.

516
00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:10.500
It's terrible.

517
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:11.639
I really really hate it.

518
00:37:11.699 --> 00:37:13.019
That's why he should die.

519
00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:16.199
But I think we're being put in the place of the audience there.

520
00:37:16.260 --> 00:37:19.920
We talk about the fact the audience was participants in this era of the show.

521
00:37:19.980 --> 00:37:26.039
And so the audience is there, even though it's lovely Bernard Cribbons, going, what, so you've killed our favourite doctor.

522
00:37:26.460 --> 00:37:26.940
Well done.

523
00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:27.960
That's right.

524
00:37:28.019 --> 00:37:28.800
And how old are you?

525
00:37:28.860 --> 00:37:31.980
Exactly, if you hadn't saved that young technician, he would let him fry.

526
00:37:32.340 --> 00:37:34.619
Just the, who are you?

527
00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:36.179
I could have done so much.

528
00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:38.219
I could do so much more.

529
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:39.000
I hate that moment.

530
00:37:39.059 --> 00:37:40.139
I really do.

531
00:37:40.139 --> 00:37:43.079
And I really don't like David Tennant in that moment.

532
00:37:43.139 --> 00:37:45.900
I just find him completely OTT and out of control.

533
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:48.239
Well, see, I love that moment, but for the same reasons.

534
00:37:48.300 --> 00:37:50.099
I really don't like the doctor.

535
00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:51.000
Yeah.

536
00:37:51.059 --> 00:37:58.800
So you're saying that that it's the doctor being awful and it's clearly time for him to go.

537
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:01.139
No, I'm not saying that.

538
00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:04.199
It's just like you'll feel less bad when he's not in the next episode.

539
00:38:04.260 --> 00:38:08.340
No, it's more the fact that the audience is on the doctor's side in this.

540
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:09.659
It's loveable as wealth is.

541
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:11.639
The audience doesn't want the doctor to go.

542
00:38:11.699 --> 00:38:18.840
And so the doctor is allowed to stand there and say, well, great, because you are basically stupid and now I've got to save you.

543
00:38:18.900 --> 00:38:20.699
I don't want to go.

544
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:22.079
The audience doesn't want me to go.

545
00:38:22.139 --> 00:38:23.099
I'm going to say that.

546
00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:26.940
However, now I am going to do the right thing and I'm going to do it anyway.

547
00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:32.039
Yeah, I totally see your point of view, but I just, I don't like some of the dialogue.

548
00:38:32.099 --> 00:38:37.679
I don't like David's performance at that and I just, it's all the things that I don't like about his doctor.

549
00:38:37.739 --> 00:38:39.059
Yeah, I agree.

550
00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:52.260
I'm now recognising moments in these last sequence of run, just in the last 6 or 7 episodes where it's these over the top moments, or this is what's sticking my mind, but it's actually not indicative of his performance actually all the way through.

551
00:38:52.320 --> 00:39:00.420
I think it's a very raw moment for the doctor and we're not used to seeing that rawness where the doctor blames other people and is cruel to other people.

552
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:03.659
But I think give him that moment because of what he's about to do.

553
00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:06.360
Yeah, I don't know.

554
00:39:06.420 --> 00:39:07.019
I don't know.

555
00:39:07.139 --> 00:39:09.119
I see where you're coming from and I totally understand.

556
00:39:09.179 --> 00:39:10.139
Yeah.

557
00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:10.920
I don't feel it.

558
00:39:10.980 --> 00:39:12.119
No, I don't like it.

559
00:39:12.179 --> 00:39:21.659
And I don't, it is that tenant performance, which the worst thing about David Tennant's doctor, and it's absolutely in that scene and the way he delivers it.

560
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:23.400
I think he's been excellent throughout this story.

561
00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:24.420
Yeah, yeah.

562
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:24.900
Yeah.

563
00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:36.239
Yeah, I just have a problem with that moment in episode one, and I have a problem with this moment, because then he comes back with, oh, yeah, now it opens or whatever. that is so, yeah, I love that moment.

564
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:37.679
It's beautifully played.

565
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:40.320
It's a great release of tension, I think.

566
00:39:40.380 --> 00:39:41.400
Thank you, Nathan.

567
00:39:41.460 --> 00:39:43.739
Yeah, yeah. is a great release of tension.

568
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:45.300
A great release of tenant.

569
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:56.820
But in that same moment, you know, then, you know, he puts his hands over his face and the scars are gone and you get to see the hug from Will and Donna wake up and Sylvia smiling at the doctor.

570
00:39:56.880 --> 00:39:58.559
Yes, she's smiling.

571
00:39:58.619 --> 00:40:04.800
She's smiling, and then, look, I'll see you one more time, and I'm going to get my reward.

572
00:40:04.860 --> 00:40:08.280
So from Wolf knocking on the glass to the end of the episode.

573
00:40:08.340 --> 00:40:11.460
I think might be one of the most perfect stretches of Doc 2 ever.

574
00:40:11.519 --> 00:40:14.639
Everyone, here's my experience.

575
00:40:14.699 --> 00:40:19.019
Everyone that I speak to really loves it, but believes everyone else hates it.

576
00:40:19.139 --> 00:40:23.280
And I think there are people who think it's self-indulgent.

577
00:40:23.340 --> 00:40:23.760
It is?

578
00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:25.440
Yeah, I think it is too.

579
00:40:25.500 --> 00:40:28.980
And so was the end of Journeys End, too.

580
00:40:29.099 --> 00:40:37.199
But the actual visiting, the companions actually only takes about 5 minutes.

581
00:40:37.260 --> 00:40:38.880
It's not very long.

582
00:40:38.940 --> 00:40:43.800
And I think it's absolutely superb.

583
00:40:43.860 --> 00:40:45.059
And I think it's necessary.

584
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:46.500
And they've earned it.

585
00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:47.639
Yeah, they've earned it.

586
00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:52.079
That's why it's not there for the doctor. for them to play a part in the end of the year.

587
00:40:52.139 --> 00:40:52.800
And for us.

588
00:40:52.860 --> 00:40:58.619
You know, to remind us of what we've been through over the last 5 years and it does it perfectly.

589
00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:00.539
You hate it, Todd.

590
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:03.480
No, I absolutely and utterly adore it.

591
00:41:03.539 --> 00:41:07.800
At the time, I was going, what is this?

592
00:41:07.860 --> 00:41:08.639
Why is this?

593
00:41:08.699 --> 00:41:15.059
The doctor just sort of regenerates and we have floating heads and flashbacks and this is not the way Doctor Who works, right?

594
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:20.880
Russell has just, uh, he's just been self-indulgent and, you know, he should just regenerate right now.

595
00:41:20.940 --> 00:41:23.579
He can't go on for another 16 minutes before regenerating.

596
00:41:24.300 --> 00:41:27.480
Of course, as always, I've changed my tune.

597
00:41:27.539 --> 00:41:29.760
We now know 5 to a nine.

598
00:41:29.820 --> 00:41:32.519
You now know that we can hold it in for a whole special.

599
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:35.340
Correct.

600
00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:37.320
We go back to Todd's little black book.

601
00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:44.400
Who invited you, Patrick Griffiths, who invited you?

602
00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:47.159
I really love it.

603
00:41:47.219 --> 00:41:49.860
And it is earnt and it's necessary.

604
00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:53.280
And I think what's really great is that everybody comes back to do it.

605
00:41:53.340 --> 00:41:53.940
Yeah.

606
00:41:53.940 --> 00:42:06.480
And I think that's testament to the family atmosphere of the show and how the show is run and it's a reflection of the viewers and how all these people are part of their family and have been.

607
00:42:06.539 --> 00:42:07.019
Yeah.

608
00:42:07.019 --> 00:42:13.800
Well, I think I think that we are probably more impressed by that as classic Doctor Who fans because it literally never happened.

609
00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:18.420
Or not never, but very, you know, seldom actually happened.

610
00:42:18.539 --> 00:42:23.400
Matthew Waterhouse, um, in Andresani, yeah.

611
00:42:23.460 --> 00:42:26.519
Well, in fact, they all come back from Rosani. just for a brief thing.

612
00:42:26.579 --> 00:42:28.380
But it's sort of crap.

613
00:42:28.980 --> 00:42:30.659
No, it is.

614
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:31.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

615
00:42:31.980 --> 00:42:34.800
But this, I think is just tremendous.

616
00:42:34.860 --> 00:42:39.780
And we saw them go off into an unknown future at the end of Journey's end.

617
00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:41.820
Now we see where they are now.

618
00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:43.860
And so it's not just a repeat.

619
00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:47.820
So we've got Martha and Mickey and they're married versus Santaran.

620
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:49.440
How do we feel about the marriage?

621
00:42:49.500 --> 00:42:51.179
I'm fine with that.

622
00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:52.139
Yeah, I don't mind.

623
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:53.039
I kind of love it.

624
00:42:53.099 --> 00:42:53.760
Yeah.

625
00:42:53.820 --> 00:42:54.900
It's so hilarious.

626
00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:56.400
Like, it's like, and they're married?

627
00:42:56.460 --> 00:42:57.960
She gave up Lucifer.

628
00:42:58.019 --> 00:43:00.059
He's got dreadlocks?

629
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:01.380
That's great.

630
00:43:01.380 --> 00:43:03.360
I'd give up Lucifer and all Clark.

631
00:43:03.420 --> 00:43:04.079
Yeah, yeah.

632
00:43:04.139 --> 00:43:04.800
He's sorry.

633
00:43:04.860 --> 00:43:06.780
I mean, Lucifer's hot.

634
00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:09.840
Oh, yeah. come and meet you on a beach in the middle of the night.

635
00:43:10.380 --> 00:43:12.599
Is that a euphemism?

636
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:22.380
And then we've got Luke and obviously the doctor saves Luke and he name checks Clyde and Mr. Smith and then the final appearance of Liz.

637
00:43:22.500 --> 00:43:27.059
Liz looking at the doctor, the doctor looking at Liz is guaranteed to bring a lump to your throat.

638
00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:29.039
Oh, no, I was crying by that point.

639
00:43:29.099 --> 00:43:37.980
So you know the saving of Luke is an in-joke by Russell because the kids never looked left or right when they crossed the street outside the house.

640
00:43:38.460 --> 00:43:42.840
And they get into closed off street for filming, et cetera.

641
00:43:42.900 --> 00:43:52.980
Well, no, no, like they and they do it even when they weren't filming, like just walking sort of around and they kept being told off for it.

642
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:55.079
And so he made that part of the story.

643
00:43:55.139 --> 00:44:15.599
But you see, it's these vignettes. accompanied by some of Murray's best ever music, which have all of that Russell warmth and cleverness and the ability just to draft a complete emotional arc in 30 seconds, which the rest of the episode does lack occasionally, but is utterly redeemed by these sequences.

644
00:44:15.659 --> 00:44:19.440
Totally agree, and you've just summarised that utterly brilliantly.

645
00:44:19.500 --> 00:44:21.059
I tried my best.

646
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:25.679
And then we get the cantina with, let's have every single monster that we possibly can.

647
00:44:26.280 --> 00:44:30.179
With Captain Jack and Alonso from Voyage of the Damned.

648
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:31.619
It's just...

649
00:44:31.619 --> 00:44:32.519
You know where that's set?

650
00:44:32.579 --> 00:44:34.380
on the planet Zog.

651
00:44:35.820 --> 00:44:38.280
See, I think they missed a trick there.

652
00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:39.599
It shouldn't have been Alonso.

653
00:44:39.659 --> 00:44:40.679
It should have been Jenny.

654
00:44:40.739 --> 00:44:42.539
Jenny needed a reappearance.

655
00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:44.579
The doctor could have set up Jack with his own daughter.

656
00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:45.360
How about that?

657
00:44:47.699 --> 00:44:53.280
It would have just tie in with Mr. Nasmith and his daughter. in the prison cell.

658
00:44:53.639 --> 00:45:01.380
Then the surprising one to me is the Verity Newman book launch, but my goodness, doesn't it get to you?

659
00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:09.480
It's the very last line of the scene where he's asked Verity if her grandmother was happy.

660
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:12.239
And she blatantly lies and says yes.

661
00:45:12.300 --> 00:45:13.079
Yes.

662
00:45:13.139 --> 00:45:15.239
And then she says, were you?

663
00:45:15.300 --> 00:45:21.840
And again, because Tenant chooses to underplay it, it's not a slappable moment for him.

664
00:45:21.900 --> 00:45:23.699
It's actually really pretty good.

665
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:27.719
And apparently did an early cut of the episode, leave it out.

666
00:45:27.780 --> 00:45:41.820
Yes, Russell or Julie or somebody said that when Eros assembled the edit, he took that scene out for reasons unknown, maybe for piecing or for duration or whatever, and it took them several times watching it to go, wait, where's the Jessica Heinz scene?

667
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:43.380
Yeah, interesting.

668
00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:54.119
Then we do get a bit of levity and joy in the Donanoble wedding and Neres, friends and Neres.

669
00:45:54.179 --> 00:45:56.699
Again, generally in long shot.

670
00:45:56.820 --> 00:45:57.480
Yeah.

671
00:45:57.480 --> 00:46:09.659
But then bringing it back to Will and Sylvia, and my goodness, the moment the doctor says that he borrowed the money from Sylvia's husband, Jeffrey Noble.

672
00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:10.260
Yeah.

673
00:46:10.260 --> 00:46:11.579
It just got to me.

674
00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:14.519
I actually burst into tears the 1st time I watched it at that point.

675
00:46:14.579 --> 00:46:30.960
And it's not only David Tennant's performance, it's actually Jackie's performance. as Sylvia, and that character arc, and the playoff of that character where, yeah, obviously she was in turn left a lot, but a lot of the other times she's just in the background doing things.

676
00:46:31.019 --> 00:46:37.079
I just think is an absolute testament to her, to Bernard and to David and the way they work.

677
00:46:37.139 --> 00:46:45.780
It's the big important Sylvia moment that we've been waiting for, all story, and she gets it finally right at the end and pulls your heart to pieces.

678
00:46:45.900 --> 00:46:54.420
There's the famous GIF, of course, of Wilf saluting, which is taken from that moment as well as the doctor leaves.

679
00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:55.019
It's wonderful.

680
00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:57.719
It's so beautifully shot as well.

681
00:46:57.780 --> 00:47:04.440
I mean, the music, obviously, but the wind machine blowing the leaves across the Tardis is, I mean, it's beautiful television.

682
00:47:04.500 --> 00:47:07.800
Oh, and he gets to tell the doctor the nasmiths were locked up.

683
00:47:07.860 --> 00:47:08.820
Yeah, yeah.

684
00:47:08.820 --> 00:47:09.599
And his daughter.

685
00:47:10.139 --> 00:47:12.179
That's actually really cute.

686
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:15.179
Like, it's just like, let's tie up this air. you know, who cares?

687
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:18.539
Was anyone wondering, you know, but there we go.

688
00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:26.400
And then it just cuts into 2 lovely ladies walking home together.

689
00:47:26.460 --> 00:47:27.659
I will say this.

690
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:31.139
I do think Billy Piper looks too thin in this scene.

691
00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:33.900
I think because her teeth are bigger.

692
00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:37.260
I was going to say, I'm not sure about her teeth. not saying it's criticism.

693
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:38.639
She actually looks really thin.

694
00:47:38.699 --> 00:47:43.860
I think she's really great in this and I think she she nails Rose.

695
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:49.739
Like, after all this time, after all those times we've talked about how she comes back in series 4 and can't remember how to play it or whatever.

696
00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:52.559
This is her playing the original character.

697
00:47:52.619 --> 00:47:53.940
She's given Jackie.

698
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:54.840
She's given the estate.

699
00:47:54.900 --> 00:47:55.739
She's right back there.

700
00:47:55.860 --> 00:47:57.000
It's so good.

701
00:47:57.059 --> 00:47:58.019
It's so great.

702
00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:00.179
I mean, having Jackie back.

703
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:01.139
Yeah, yeah.

704
00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:04.199
Having Rose telling her not to stay out too late.

705
00:48:04.260 --> 00:48:04.800
We get that.

706
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:06.719
And, you know, 30 seconds.

707
00:48:06.780 --> 00:48:10.980
Russell, beautiful emotional arc with Jackie saying at my age I'm not gonna get any better.

708
00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:13.260
Rose stopping and saying, don't say that.

709
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:17.760
Yeah, this is an important moment between those 2 characters, jammed into this tiny scene.

710
00:48:17.820 --> 00:48:19.260
It's wonderful, isn't it?

711
00:48:19.380 --> 00:48:20.340
It's so good.

712
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:22.139
And because how else are you gonna do it?

713
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:31.260
And it's perfect because it brings the entire show back full circle. where the show starts and where his doctor starts.

714
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:34.920
And you know that they're going to get a happy ending as well.

715
00:48:34.980 --> 00:48:37.199
Well, she's gonna marry a mechanic.

716
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:51.900
This also has a personal resonance for me. because the 1st time I ever saw David Tennant in action was visiting the set when they were shooting scenes for the Christmas invasion on the estate.

717
00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:52.500
Right.

718
00:48:52.500 --> 00:49:06.300
And I stood there with Frenemy of the podcast, Paul Masters, and we watched these scenes and we watched the little sort of bottom of the TARDIS that they flew above Jackie and Mickey as it came into land and we watched David Tennant in it.

719
00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:08.760
And I couldn't help thinking when I was watching this.

720
00:49:08.820 --> 00:49:13.980
It just took me back to that and I thought, how far the show had come in those 4 years.

721
00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:15.360
I mean, it was just incredible.

722
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:16.739
Yeah.

723
00:49:16.860 --> 00:49:20.340
I think that that is one hell of a great sequence.

724
00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:25.739
The final scene, on the other hand, I don't really like very much.

725
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:31.800
Oh, when he, what, staggers to the wall and then and then the music is too over the top.

726
00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:33.360
Yeah, yeah.

727
00:49:33.420 --> 00:49:36.780
You've got the oude and like that oude was cross at him before.

728
00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:38.699
I liked the od when he was crossed.

729
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:39.960
Now the od's all over him.

730
00:49:40.019 --> 00:49:44.340
I think he just needed to stagger to the Tartars. and get him to the Tartars.

731
00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:45.659
We didn't need that.

732
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:47.639
Yeah, I think it's too much.

733
00:49:47.699 --> 00:49:48.659
It's bit overwrought.

734
00:49:48.719 --> 00:49:49.860
Yeah, I think so too.

735
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:59.820
And just look, you know, it's it's Doctor Who, and it can be operatic and melodramatic, it's not prestige TV.

736
00:49:59.880 --> 00:50:10.380
We've got Murray telling us how to feel about that and that's exactly what incidental music is for, but I just think it's too much, just far too much.

737
00:50:10.500 --> 00:50:12.599
And when tenants acting in it.

738
00:50:12.659 --> 00:50:15.420
That's precisely the sort of tenet acting that I hate.

739
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:26.940
So his last moment is him gnashing his teeth, crawling along, you know, his bottom lip wobbling, he's in tears, and it's all just, you know, overwrought?

740
00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:28.139
Yeah I just want him to go.

741
00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:40.860
There were several takes of the very last line, including one where he was much more overall, and they used kind of the middling one, which I think was the right decision. number three, where he's almost, almost fraught.

742
00:50:40.920 --> 00:50:43.260
I don't mind me, I don't want to go.

743
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:46.260
First to number 4 where he's past wrought.

744
00:50:46.320 --> 00:51:03.719
But isn't it the story of Doc 2 all over, that you have this huge dramatic moment with big emotions and swelling music and the console room on fire, and then you bring in the new doctor who just gets comedy moments, kissing his legs and going, I'm not ginger and going, ooh, then the TARDIS explodes on him.

745
00:51:03.780 --> 00:51:08.460
And I think every subsequent regeneration, you feel the same way.

746
00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:09.659
Do you know what I mean?

747
00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:17.940
Like, and I don't know whether it's because all of the doctors out stay their welcome or something, but it's kind of like, oh, so Smith's gone, here's Capoldi.

748
00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:19.559
He's like really scary and interesting.

749
00:51:19.619 --> 00:51:28.440
You get that terrible, terrible twice upon a time where, um, and the doctor gives an 18 minute speech at the end and then and is thinking about killing himself.

750
00:51:28.500 --> 00:51:31.260
And then suddenly Jody turns up and goes, wow, brilliant.

751
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:33.179
And, you know, like the whole thing.

752
00:51:33.239 --> 00:51:34.320
It's always a relief.

753
00:51:34.380 --> 00:51:36.960
This is a template for every regeneration since.

754
00:51:37.019 --> 00:51:37.739
Yeah.

755
00:51:37.739 --> 00:51:42.360
And and the show suffers for it, I think, in the long run.

756
00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:46.619
I really hate the way he spits on the console too, and he says, I'm crashing.

757
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:47.760
I was very unimpressed.

758
00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:49.920
I was quite determined to hate him from that point.

759
00:51:49.980 --> 00:51:54.960
That's because all of the debris falling from the set got in his mouth.

760
00:51:54.960 --> 00:52:00.239
And he was literally spitting stuff out of his mouth as he was saying that.

761
00:52:00.300 --> 00:52:01.500
Did they not do a retail?

762
00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:04.380
No, they were exploding the set in the background.

763
00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:08.519
No, they were going to cut it out, but Russell insisted that they keep it in.

764
00:52:08.579 --> 00:52:09.300
I quite like it.

765
00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:10.980
It has to be said. hate that bit.

766
00:52:11.460 --> 00:52:13.920
I like him immediately, though.

767
00:52:13.980 --> 00:52:20.099
Like, I think he does, he's a bit squeaky voice and he never really properly does that again.

768
00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:28.019
But it is that thing where you've had a doctor who's been like dreading this and then he gets through it and actually it's all right.

769
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:32.519
Everything's fine and it turns out he's really funny and silly and super doctor-ish.

770
00:52:32.579 --> 00:52:36.539
And he used to say Geronimo and I'm thinking, really, are they going to keep that?

771
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:37.980
That's going to be like the word?

772
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:42.360
I think he only ends up saying it 3 times or 4 times in all.

773
00:52:42.420 --> 00:52:43.860
It doesn't become a catchphrase.

774
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:49.199
And as much as I do like Matt Smith's 1st outfit as the doctor, he looks great in David Tennant's costume.

775
00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:49.980
Yeah, yeah.

776
00:52:50.039 --> 00:52:50.519
Yeah.

777
00:52:50.579 --> 00:53:01.500
Yeah, I've sounded really negative on Matt Smith right here at this point, but I adore him as the doctor, but at this point in time, I was struggling with the new guy.

778
00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:07.679
And also that, you know, when he was interviewed, like when he was announced and I just thought, oh, yeah, well that's right.

779
00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:08.460
More too young.

780
00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:10.500
It's going to be Peter Davidson all over again.

781
00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:11.940
It's too cold.

782
00:53:12.059 --> 00:53:19.019
He's too fat Well, I just thought, oh, really, it's just another kind of sort of wacky white guy.

783
00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:19.800
Do you know what I mean?

784
00:53:19.860 --> 00:53:22.079
Like, it just didn't, anyway.

785
00:53:22.139 --> 00:53:23.940
We will be talking about this.

786
00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:27.119
We will be discovering the joy of Matt Smith.

787
00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:29.039
Over the next five. few years.

788
00:53:29.099 --> 00:53:34.260
And of course, there is no doctor who's ever nailed it in his 1st scene as much as Matt does.

789
00:53:34.380 --> 00:53:38.159
That doctor that you get there is pretty much the doctor that we get.

790
00:53:47.460 --> 00:53:52.320
Okay, so it's part two, so it's time for picks of the week.

791
00:53:52.380 --> 00:53:57.239
My pick of the week is the YouTube channel, Mary Claire's life.

792
00:53:57.300 --> 00:54:22.920
She's a new who fan who's gone back to the beginning of the classic series, and she's watched every single episode up to the Robots of Death, when she's an absolute joy and delight to watch because she's tried not to be spoiled on anything, and just her discovering the show and the characters and her joy for it, and telling Yoo-hoo fans, these people that don't want to know anything about classic who they've got rocks in their heads.

793
00:54:22.980 --> 00:54:23.579
I just love her.

794
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:26.579
And I continue to watch her, go and find that channel.

795
00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:28.619
I'll put a link to it in the show notes.

796
00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:29.579
That's a delightful choice.

797
00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:34.320
Isn't it delightful having a Doctor Who fan on YouTube who likes Doctor Who?

798
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:35.880
That's it.

799
00:54:35.940 --> 00:54:37.440
There's a couple of others.

800
00:54:37.500 --> 00:54:40.440
Cesca says and Medusa Cascade are also doing this journey.

801
00:54:40.500 --> 00:54:41.099
Cesca.

802
00:54:41.159 --> 00:54:42.659
Yes, she's a fantastic.

803
00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:44.639
I saw my real name, but it's just fantastic.

804
00:54:44.699 --> 00:54:48.179
They're also doing the same journey and they're at different points.

805
00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:54.480
And so I watch all 3 of them and all 3 women are just loving different aspects of the show and it's brilliant.

806
00:54:54.539 --> 00:54:56.880
But Mary Claire's my pick at the moment.

807
00:54:57.000 --> 00:55:08.340
So my pick of the week is W1A. The BBC 2 mockumentary comedy, featuring Q Bonneville and Jessica Hines.

808
00:55:09.659 --> 00:55:17.820
It's kind of a bit like, say, uh, Utopia or um, the games.

809
00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:27.179
It's a spinoff from 2012, which was the BBC's version of the games, basically, with the same characters from that story.

810
00:55:27.239 --> 00:55:31.619
And tenant does the narration.

811
00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:32.519
Oh, okay.

812
00:55:32.579 --> 00:55:36.179
And is better in it than Doctor Who.

813
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:37.980
But no, I just love it.

814
00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:39.539
It's just so enjoyable.

815
00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:46.920
It's basically set behind the scenes at the BBC with their sort of spin doctor PR department.

816
00:55:47.579 --> 00:56:02.400
My pick of the week, or indeed the month, um, given that President Obama is name checked so much in these episodes and Wolf talks about the fact that he's got a big plan to save the planet, I'm not sure that ever came to fruition, but I think he did try.

817
00:56:02.460 --> 00:56:38.099
My pick of the week will be to go back and look at some of the post-election coverage from 2020 with Donald Trump refusing to concede in a very autocratic way, and Joe Biden winning the election and becoming the president elect, because it turns out that because President Obama, then Senator Obama took Joe Biden and made him vice president and gave him that platform, and he then ran for the presidency, and I think it's becoming increasingly clear that maybe he was the only Democrat who could win against Donald Trump and indeed did, President Obama did, in fact, save the planet.

818
00:56:38.219 --> 00:56:40.860
So go back and watch some of the coverage and enjoy.

819
00:56:40.980 --> 00:56:52.199
I'm going to go for a TV show, um, and it is uh, The Boys, which is on Amazon Prime, uh, and I am just really enjoying it.

820
00:56:52.260 --> 00:56:54.420
I've watched the 1st 2 seasons all the way through.

821
00:56:54.480 --> 00:56:57.960
I'm someone who doesn't do violence and gore very well.

822
00:56:58.019 --> 00:57:06.960
I like to watch, you know, the sort of violence that I like is where someone gets shot in the stomach and then they clutch their throes or whatever and then they fall to the ground.

823
00:57:07.019 --> 00:57:08.400
Space 1999.

824
00:57:08.579 --> 00:57:10.679
Yeah, yeah, just something something gentle.

825
00:57:10.739 --> 00:57:12.000
This is super gory.

826
00:57:12.059 --> 00:57:18.719
And eventually the gore is hilariously funny, and that's not normally how I kind of process it.

827
00:57:18.780 --> 00:57:20.400
And it is slightly ironic.

828
00:57:20.460 --> 00:57:25.440
The boys are a group of sort of people who are fighting against superheroes.

829
00:57:25.500 --> 00:57:28.739
So it's a little bit like the Avengers in Avengers Assemble.

830
00:57:28.800 --> 00:57:38.760
Only they're run by a giant evil corporation, and they sort of represent American capitalism and American imperialism and stuff like that.

831
00:57:38.820 --> 00:57:43.139
And there's a bracing dash of white supremacy in series 2.

832
00:57:43.139 --> 00:57:55.860
It is really, really kind of great satire with really, really fun performances and it's delightful that it comes to as courtesy of the largest and most evil corporation on the planet.

833
00:58:21.059 --> 00:58:23.940
Well, that's all we have time for this week.

834
00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:34.019
We'll be back next week, Frau Russell T. Davis retrospective, where we'll be talking about the entirety of the first five years of the 21st century version of Doctor Who.

835
00:58:34.139 --> 00:58:50.340
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts, and you can keep up with us at Flights or Entirety on Facebook, at FTE podcast on Twitter, and on our website, Flightthrough Entirety.com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger, and Jody into Terror.

836
00:58:50.460 --> 00:58:57.239
Until next time, may the next person who saves your life, at least try to be a little bit gracious about it.

837
00:58:57.300 --> 00:59:00.000
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

838
00:59:00.059 --> 00:59:01.320
Happy New Year.

839
00:59:01.380 --> 00:59:02.699
See you soon.

840
00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:03.780
Good night.

841
00:59:03.840 --> 00:59:05.579
I don't want to go.

842
00:59:05.639 --> 00:59:07.260
He's always saying that.

843
00:59:11.280 --> 00:59:17.099
That was Flight 3 Entirety, starring Todd, but it'll be Nathan Bottomley, Peter Griffiths, and James Selwood.

844
00:59:17.159 --> 00:59:20.699
Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, strings performance by Jane Orberg.

845
00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:27.539
This episode, a great release of tension, was recorded on the 13th of December 2020 and released on New Year's Day.

846
00:59:30.599 --> 00:59:37.860
That was the last episode of our coverage of the 2009 specials, and so it's time to thank our guests over the last few weeks.

847
00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:41.219
Simon Moore, Pete Lambert, and Conrad Westmers.

848
00:59:41.280 --> 00:59:42.599
We'll see you next week.

849
00:59:43.619 --> 00:59:46.260
Sorry, did I ruin the outro there?

850
00:59:46.320 --> 00:59:47.280
No, no, no, that's it.

851
00:59:47.340 --> 00:59:48.000
Let do pics of the week.

852
00:59:48.119 --> 00:59:50.940
I didn't get to say that I gave it 7 out of 10.

853
00:59:51.300 --> 00:59:53.400
Used to be a 6.8.

854
00:59:53.639 --> 00:59:55.500
Yeah, you revised it up.

855
00:59:55.559 --> 00:59:59.280
Well, I had a total Todd moment rewatching this, like doing the thing.

856
00:59:59.340 --> 01:00:04.260
Like because I just thought, oh, you know, this is a bit of a mess and it doesn't go anywhere or anything.

857
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:07.500
And then I re-watched it and live tweeted it and really enjoyed it.

858
01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:09.539
Wow, it is a mess that doesn't go.

859
01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:10.079
But it's quite good.

860
01:00:10.139 --> 01:00:11.940
Well, I mean, like I like it.

861
01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:14.639
I'd always thought that Russell kind of vamping.

862
01:00:14.699 --> 01:00:34.500
You know that thing is that Xander, who says that Bob Holmes could write Doctor Who in his sleep, and the reason we know that is because he frequently did, and I think both Russell and Moffatt. can do Doctor Who in their sleep, and this may be, this is kind of like Russell on empty.

863
01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:36.719
Yeah, not giving it all his energy.

864
01:00:36.780 --> 01:00:40.079
He wakes up and writes the last 10 minutes.

865
01:00:40.199 --> 01:00:42.780
Well, no, but the last 10 minutes is really his wheelhouse.

866
01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:43.500
There's no plot.

867
01:00:43.559 --> 01:00:47.340
He doesn't have to do anything beyond just those little vineyards. that's true.

868
01:00:47.820 --> 01:00:50.400
It's him on easy mode, you know.

869
01:00:50.460 --> 01:00:51.719
So good.

870
01:00:51.780 --> 01:00:52.320
I know.

871
01:00:52.380 --> 01:00:55.679
I was going to say something, but now I've completely gone blank.

872
01:00:55.739 --> 01:00:57.239
Was it about Nesmith's daughter?

873
01:00:57.719 --> 01:00:59.219
Peter.

874
01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:00.719
No, no, no.

875
01:01:00.780 --> 01:01:09.900
I think all the emotional beats throughout these episodes are the things that keep me going, just when I'm going to get annoyed with some plot point or something I don't particularly like.

876
01:01:09.960 --> 01:01:13.139
And yeah, I liked it.

877
01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:22.619
I didn't love it, and I can, and he uses every trick in his book. that, that, and it, it hangs together.

878
01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:25.199
It does what it has to do, I think.

879
01:01:25.260 --> 01:01:27.840
But the choice to do, I think this is a tag.

880
01:01:27.900 --> 01:01:43.619
The choice to do, um, like something that's not plotty at all, that is just, let's spend some time with these people and give David some acting moments on the way out the door, uh, and will re resolve the Galafray thing.

881
01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:44.940
And I think that's the right decision.

882
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:49.559
I think doing a big giant overstuffed spectacle, you know.

883
01:01:49.619 --> 01:01:57.960
Well, I just done that with stolen earth and Jameson, but also it proves again, even exhausted and running on empty and having nothing much left to say.

884
01:01:58.019 --> 01:02:00.539
Russell is incapable of writing bad Doctor Who.

885
01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:02.820
All right.

886
01:02:02.880 --> 01:02:07.500
Okay, so it's part two, so it's time for picks of the week.