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Hello, dear listen, and welcome back to Flightthrough Entirety, a

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Doctor Who podcast of great power and wisdom and consolation to

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the soul in times of need.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm James.

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I'm Peter.

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And I'm Todd.

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Well, we're in a world entirely populated by John Sims, and I

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can't see any particularly persuasive reasons for leaving.

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Still, David's ultimate immolation approaches, and so it's time

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for us to sit down, wipe Timothy Dalton's spittle from our

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clothing, and discuss the final episode of Russell T. Davis's era

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The End of Time Part 2.

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I think that this is really great, and I have to say that as

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someone who hates Galafre and, you know, I think it was pretty

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good in Deadly Assassin, but ever since then, it's been shockingly

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bad, and so this, I think, is really kind of magnificent, and, you

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know, it's very CG, like it's perhaps a little bit more ambitious

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than they can properly realise, but we go into this negative space

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like a completely empty black room.

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Senate chamber from the Phantom Menace?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Wasn't it at the end of the last episode or was it this episode?

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So we did see that, but we also see him walking from that senate

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room across a kind of tree.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And then they're in this sort of space.

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And now we get the time war and it's been the thing that's been

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hanging over the program ever since it started and now we actually

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kind of see it.

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And we see it in a Doctor Who way.

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It's a lot of people talking about it, but we actually see it.

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I do love that they name check the moment.

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Yeah, so this is the introduction of the moment.

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And in fact, we were talking about this during the week.

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This is happening.

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This scene is happening at exactly the same time as the scenes

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with the general in.

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Yeah.

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So we report that the doctor has the moment he's going to destroy

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us all, somewhere else in the capital.

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The general's having that meeting.

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Oh, yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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I didn't know that.

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And Moffat does change things a bit because he wants to tell a

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slightly different story, but he rewrites this ending for the time

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war, but he refers to this ending and the moment he's Russell's

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creation.

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You said that you really like it.

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I have problems with this whole scene.

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I think Timothy Dolton, when he screams, I will not die, is so

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over the top.

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I just kind of go ugh.

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And then he doesn't know that it's earth, right?

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It has to be revealed through the visionary that's where they

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are.

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But in the previous episode, he's narrating the master and the

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doctor and what they're doing.

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So he knows what they're doing, but then he doesn't know where

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they are.

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So how does he know what they're doing, where they are, and he

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doesn't know where they are?

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I'm completely confused by logic.

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So that final speech looks like it's still part of the narration

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that Timothy Dalton's doing.

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And so perhaps it looks like he's telling that narration to the

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high council or whoever that is in that big room.

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But perhaps in retrospect, that's not what's happening because, as

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you say, why is he talking to the High Council about Earth and

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people having dreams and things?

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So generation episode one is occurring after this 1st sequence

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here when he knows where it is, and then, so it's all out of sync

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with time itself, which is a really appalling sort of, we're just

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explaining away plot holes.

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Well, I don't think it's a plot hole because I do think that what

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happens is you've got, you know, distinguished actor Timothy

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Dalton giving a narration and then that narration turns into him

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addressing the timelords.

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And so if you want to look at it that way, no one actually says

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that that's the narration for the 1st half of the story.

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He's not telling that story to the assembled time lords in

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Gallifrey. telling it to us.

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But then he intrudes into the story and it turns out he's a

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character.

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And so it doesn't quite work.

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But I think it's Timothy Dalton.

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I kind of agree with all of you to an extent.

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I think it does look good, although it's mostly played against

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black drapes and then against white drapes later on.

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But I'm so disappointed in the conception of the Time Lords from

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Russell, because Robert Holmes made something of them.

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He made them organic and interesting and funny.

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Whereas what Russell falls back on here is just standard sort of

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politicking and theatrics of people sitting around a big table

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remonstrating with each other.

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There's no charm and there's no wittiness to them at all.

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But isn't that the point?

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It may be the point.

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It's not entertaining to watch at all.

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So, I mean, what something has happened to the time lord since we

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last saw them?

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So in the initial scripting, Russell had wanted the time I was to

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have formed an alliance with the Daleks to show how far they had

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become debased in their attempts to escape from the time lock.

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Right.

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And then just toss that away.

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Okay, so they were all in the time locked together.

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Yeah, and trying to escape, but then Moffatt said, oh, I want to

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use them in victory of the Taleks. so he didn't.

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Yeah, I mean, he couldn't have destroyed the Daleks forever sort

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of thing.

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You never really did.

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We just brought him back.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But you see what I mean?

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lack of wittiness. in any of those scenes.

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And I understand that that's what he's going for.

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But that's not a reason to do it.

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I think because what's happening in this story is that the time

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lords are the most evil threat that the doctor has ever faced, that

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they've stopped being his home planet.

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And he knew that all along.

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And so while ever he was talking about his home planet and how it

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had gone and how he was the last of the time lords.

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The reason his last of the time lords is because he killed them

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all because they were going to destroy the entirety of creation.

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And so they are more evil than the daleks.

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And I think that's a really, really great thing to do.

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Even if it means that what you've got.

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I don't think there's no pleasure to be derived from Timothy

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Dalton shouting at people and exploding people and stuff at the

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table.

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And I think that you could still, you could still tell that story

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and keep Timothy Dalton's wrestle on pretty well unchanged.

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But the characters around him are utterly faceless.

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And so it's really just him shouting at the camera and at other

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people.

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I do like when he explodes that woman, the partisan.

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I think that's sort of really quite fabulous.

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I thought it was Chancellor Flavia.

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No, no, no, it's Thalia.

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Are you sure?

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Yes.

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Is there anyone who doesn't think that the addition of like, you

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know, an Engian or a Kelna or a mind probe would not have made

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those scenes better and more fun?

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Well, there is that other guy that's there that keeps explaining

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it's grovelling a bit.

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I think that's probably that character.

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But he's not funny enough, is he?

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Maybe he could have been funnier.

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But what you were saying about the time lords and what they've

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become.

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I don't get that sense.

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But I mean, they are trying to destroy literally everything else.

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But I don't get that sense.

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Not at this point.

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At all. at all.

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Until right at the end where you suddenly get an info dump saying

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we want to transcend to beans of whatever.

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That's the only moment in time.

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And so I just don't think for me, Yeah, they're coming back, but I

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never get the sense of the real threat.

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It's all words spoken by David Tennant as opposed to showing us.

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So I just don't feel it as much as perhaps what you are feeling

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it.

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Yeah, I think that's fair.

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I mean, you get it a little, you get a little sense of it from

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Dalton's performance.

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I mean, he's so clearly a villain and he's wearing the torchwood

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resurrection glove, isn't he?

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I think we're meant to understand that that's what that is.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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I do see the similarity in the glove.

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I didn't necessarily think it was that particular glove, I want it

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to be.

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Let it let's have it be that.

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And you're right.

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We don't actually hear it.

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And when we do hear it, it's word peril, but it is that revelation

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at that point in the story, that what, and the master doesn't know

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it.

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You know, the master doesn't know that the time lords are.

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The problem that the time lords are going to pose to him isn't

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that they're going to lock him up or erase him from existence or

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anything like that.

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It is that they're going to destroy everything, that they're so

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much worse than him.

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And because he was away, he missed the end of the time or he

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didn't know that.

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I guess some of their, of what they've become, does perhaps shine

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through in the fact that they've used the master from a child and

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putting the beats into his head.

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And I do get that from that.

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That's my problem with the time laws in this episode.

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They've become Zog from the planet Zog.

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What you were saying, Todd, is we're meant to care about the fact

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that they're going to destroy the universe because we're told to

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care about it.

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It's Russell doing Omega from the Ark of Infinity.

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We're meant to care who Omega is because we're told to care about

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it as opposed to there being any resonance or involvement for the

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audience to make them appreciate it.

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At one point, Emmeka was supposed to be in this story.

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Oh really?

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What do you think about being wrestling?

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Because I liked jolly old wrestle on back from the 5 doctors when

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he was a floating head with a red beard and I kind of thought, oh

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yes, he was a nice old soul that, you know, sort of steered the

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Time Lords in the days of old and he's obviously been resurrected

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like the master.

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I mean, could it have been Barusa or?

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So what we're trying to do, I think, is this is the 1st time that

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the people in the new series have seen Galafre.

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They know nothing of the mind probe.

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They know nothing of those plastic sofas.

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This is their 1st shot at Galifre.

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And I think Russell gives them the name Rassalon, so they can have

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that as well.

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And so it could have been anyone.

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The name Rassalon is thrown away in one line of dialogue.

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He's just the president until then.

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And it's a surprise to us who have seen the show before, but it

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doesn't matter.

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Now the kids have a wrestleon and they can have that word as well

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as part of their Doctor Who fandom.

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So I thought that was a kind of generous thing to do.

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And the partisan, that fabulous, who I do think is really quite

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fabulous.

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She's sort of super poshen, a little bit dismissive.

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She says people are dying and being resurrected and dying and

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being resurrected.

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This is a time war.

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It's super weird.

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Russell's time war is much weirder than Moffatt's time war.

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Moffatt's time war is just, you know, guns.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Whereas, whereas Russell's is always sort of much weirder than

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that.

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He has like the silver devastation.

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Maybe the silver cloak is part of the nightmare.

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It's all those all those things that David Tennant spurts out like

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which make no sense in my head at all.

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And I think that's the point of them.

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I think the time war is ultimately supposed to be incomprehensible

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got to be described in terms that are super suggestive but utterly

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weird.

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Is that dramatically satisfying?

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Well, I mean, how much more dramatically satisfying is, I guess

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those scenes in the time war in Day of the Doctor are pretty good

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but they're also pretty generic as well.

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That scene where the doctor is facing off against Wrestleon, and

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is there in a big dramatic moment, the music swelling, saying, back

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into hell, Wrestleon, or whatever that line is, is, I think, the

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Nadir of Russell's Doctor Who, because it's everything he set out

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not to do when he brought the show back.

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He didn't want the doctor remonstrating against kind of aliens in

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pompous terms, against sci-fi settings and things.

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He wanted some character warmth there.

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And I think he shouldn't have brought back the time lords.

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Or if he did, he should have done something interesting, put a

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spin on them, like Bob Holmes did, because otherwise he's left

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with the thing he didn't want to do, and he was right.

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He was vindicated in that decision.

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I mean, I guess the spin that he puts on them is that they're more

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evil than the Daleks, but maybe that's not so interesting.

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I mean, it's, you know, we have to remember that all of the people

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all of the 10000000 people watching this know what Galafre is and

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know who timelords are.

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Actually 12.270000000 by the end of it.

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Right.

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So there's like 272 or 12.273.

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Well, mine is the naceness.

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But so I think Julie was right in saying this is the one thing we

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haven't touched and we need to do it before we go.

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But yeah.

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Well, I'm glad that he did.

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And I don't necessarily have a problem that there is generical

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whatever we want to say.

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You like them a lot, Nathan, you don't, Peter.

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He's proving why we don't want them and we've brought them back

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and we've now covered that and we can never see them again. move

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forward.

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They lack campness.

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Yeah.

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And I'm surprised to Russell for that.

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But, and, you know, I want to emphasise the fact that the only

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reason I'm disappointed is that I expected Russell would do so

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much more with them.

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You have a camp villain, though, already in the master.

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And one of the ways of coding someone is villainous in Doctor Who

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is to give them no sense of humour.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So we obviously cut back from Galifre back into what's going on on

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Earth and the master's got the doctor all strapped up.

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Donna's phoning Wilf.

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The master winks at Wolf, I think, is hilarious, and then I love

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that line.

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He loves playing with Earth girls.

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What is all that winking because Tenant does it as well?

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Tenet winks at the master?

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Right, leading a defence weapon for Donna, again, with the Donna

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flashbacks and her hole exploding with energy and collapses and

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the typical Russell has not told us the whole story.

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This is, you know, he's got a get out of jail free card for

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Donna.

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Yeah, it's one of those things where it's not exactly what we were

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told and almost certainly not what he was thinking at the time, but

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it's like I have this sort of set piece that I want to do for the

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cliffhanger and I'll just paper over it a little bit with a little

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bit of dialogue.

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But I love that the master doesn't want to hear anything from the

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doctor, right?

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He doesn't want to hear anything and then when this happens, then

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he does take off the tape over the doctor's mouth and then the

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doctor's trying to persuade him to travel with the stars and with

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my honour.

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So I kind of like this scene for the interaction between all 3 of

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them, but particularly John Sim and David Tennant.

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Yeah, I think the last episode was lacking some of this.

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And something that Moffat returns to with Missy in a big way.

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And the show is all better for that, I think.

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But we're getting ahead of ourselves.

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But you mean the idea that the master could be redeemed?

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He could actually make a decision he doesn't have to own the

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world.

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He can just see it.

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And the doctor just gives him a Florana speech, doesn't he?

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And he kind of rejects it.

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And the only reason that he rejects it, why?

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Everybody's water wing.

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No, you know why he rejects it because he then says, will the

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drumming in my head stop?

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And so the only reason he can't be redeemed is because the Time

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Lords did that to him. in this episode do it to him.

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And so that also, you know, puts them above him as villains, makes

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them his enemy and makes them more evil and manipulative.

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Like so now they're responsible for every death that the master

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has caused for all of the harm that he's caused.

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Yeah.

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It makes narrative and thematic sense. as we knew it would with

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Russell Rice in it.

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I just question it's entertainment value.

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Yeah, no that's fair enough.

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And I do like the entertainment value towards the end of this

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scene where the master gets distracted because he wants to

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triangulate with a 6000000000 of himself.

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And then, you know, the smugness of the doctor like that person is

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one inch too tall.

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And then he gets rescued.

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Master just gets knocked out and it's like worst rescue ever.

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I think it's the most hilarious line as they're coming down the

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stairs.

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I love that.

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Meg Lost Twins to the rescue.

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You know how we were talking last week about David Tennant being

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injured?

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He had actually had just threw some head back surgery before that

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scene.

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And in long shots.

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It's a mannequin.

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Yeah, it's plastic David Tennant.

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You can tell if you look closely, but it is pretty well done.

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You may not ever have noticed, and it's clear from the

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confidential that it's not David Tennant in the trolly going down

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the stairs.

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Wow.

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But before we do that, there is a whole bunch of staff, when I

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tweeted about this earlier in the week, friend of the podcast

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Kevin, tweeted to me some excerpts from the script where the

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master seems to be hitting on himself, where one of the masters

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like I think the Chinese one, who the master speaking to, is sort

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of super hyper, as if he's been on drugs.

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I think he says, I think this one's been self-medicating, and then

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the master instructs him to go off and shoot himself and he shoots

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himself in the head, like off camera and stuff.

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And so there's all this sort of fun camp interaction between all

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of the masters that just doesn't make it to the final version of

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the story.

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And it might have been more fun because, you know, at that moment

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where he winks at Wilf, he's doing the master thing, which is be

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more fun than the doctor, threaten to be more charismatic and

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interesting than the doctor.

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And I love that.

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That's the best thing about the character.

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It's Perry from the caves around Rosani, isn't it?

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Why is she doing that British accent because there's a whole cut

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scene where she's mocking the doctor's British accent?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, okay.

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That's cool.

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Yeah, no, it's really fun.

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You're going to have to give it to John Sim.

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The amount of stuff that he had to do and now this as well.

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All of the new series Masters are pretty attractive.

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They get more attractive as they go along.

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It has to be said.

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Yeah, no, I think John Sim is really great.

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I think we have been really lucky with all 3 of them.

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John seems a star performance.

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I mean, he undoubtedly brings the scenes that he's in in these

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episodes to life, even more so than in the sound of drums because

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these episodes are not placing the master at the centre of the

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show.

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Yeah.

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I think there are some scenes and we did say this at the time.

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I think there are some scenes in sound of drums in particular that

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I where I don't think his performance quite comes off.

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But here is perfect.

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I just think he's wonderful.

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He actually nails it in the Capaldi 2 parter, where the master is

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not intrinsic to proceedings at all and is more of a Greek chorus

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kind of standing by going, well, that'll never work.

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Now, come on.

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And so maybe he works better when he's not at the centre of a

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scene.

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Can you explain to me, like, you know how Timothy Dalton throws

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that white point star into the projection, is that supposed to be

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the time vortex just right there in front of his table?

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I think it's almost literally magic, isn't it?

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Like he throws the white point star at an image of Earth and then

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it ends up landing on Earth.

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I don't understand how it can get out of the so there's just some

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technology or something.

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Oh, they do say that, something small and perfect.

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In fact, one of the things people...

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People often accuse Russell of being a bit sort of sloppy with

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this sort of stuff or failing to explain bits of it or whatever.

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And whether it's because, as you say, Peter, he's running out of

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steam and he has to feel in the running time or something.

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But they go to great length to explain how that works. the reason

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that they do it like that is because it looks good.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, you paper over it with dialogue.

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Yeah.

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So I think the idea is that they can send the message, can't they

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through the untempered schism to drive the master mad and then

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they can hear that so that they can get something out of the

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timelock to where they want to end up, which is a...

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Yeah, but it's something small and perfect.

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Or there's some dialogue saying, yeah, that that's that's why it's

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going to work.

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And then it lands and the master finds it and he brings them.

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I don't have a problem with the dialogue.

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I think you're quite right.

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Russell often has explanations that people miss because it's it's

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a short explanation that he doesn't want to go into, but it's

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enough to explain it, but it's just the throwing of that into that

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thing about the table that I just kind of go, is this where you

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would do it or is there a specific point?

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It just throws me a bit.

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It gets it done really quickly without it, us having to go to the

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teleport chamber or something like that.

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And it works on the logic of, you know, a visual logic where

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that's a picture of earth and so it ends up in earth.

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Or an open-ended power boosted transit beam.

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You know, in the 5 doctors special edition, how they replace the

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black triangle with the Mr. Whippy crystal thing.

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I'm still angry about that.

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Doesn't it look like one of those little things that he throws

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into the...

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So anyway, they get beamed up to a spaceship.

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Oh, yeah, that happens really quickly, doesn't it?

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One last trip to the paper mill.

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Ed Thomas's famous paper mill.

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But right from the get go, you've got wolf looking out at earth

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from above and the emotions that he gets from it and you are

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taking that on board.

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It's back to the end of the world, isn't it?

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The same scene where Rose is looking out of the porthole down at

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Earth.

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It's really, it's really great.

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You know that the original idea, one of, you know, Russell in the

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writer's tale talks about some of his, some of the things that led

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to the story.

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And this was always supposed to be a small scale one.

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He wanted the doctor to regenerate to save one person and someone

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just any someone else.

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He lands on an alien spaceship and they're, the reactor is about

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to go critical and he saves them but dies in the process of saving

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a normal family.

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Yeah.

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Oh, Moffat steals that wholesale.

489
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Well, I mean, he saves a planet, doesn't he?

490
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Night of the doctor.

491
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Yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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So this is kind of the remnants of that, this spaceship, isn't

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it?

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And so it's just 2 random aliens on a spaceship.

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And it is really just marking time, isn't it?

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That scene with Wolf looking out over the earth and talking to the

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doctor is like a coder to the scene in episode one, whether in the

500
00:23:48.660 --> 00:23:52.380
cafe, because, again, it's just the 2 of them talking and you get

501
00:23:52.380 --> 00:23:54.839
flashes of that Russell brilliance in that scene.

502
00:23:54.900 --> 00:23:56.700
The dialogue, my wife's buried down there.

503
00:23:56.759 --> 00:23:57.480
Yeah.

504
00:23:57.480 --> 00:23:58.680
Who would have thought of that?

505
00:23:58.740 --> 00:24:00.059
It's beautiful.

506
00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:02.220
And the fact he's talking about his war service.

507
00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:06.299
It's just like, you know, the entire episode is filled with

508
00:24:06.299 --> 00:24:08.519
flashes like that, but unfortunately they're just flashes.

509
00:24:08.579 --> 00:24:08.940
Yeah.

510
00:24:08.940 --> 00:24:13.559
And that was inspired by a conversation that Russell had had with

511
00:24:13.559 --> 00:24:15.420
Bernard.

512
00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:21.839
He had been in the war in Palestine at the end of the war.

513
00:24:21.900 --> 00:24:25.680
And so that's actually him, you know, paying tribute to him.

514
00:24:25.740 --> 00:24:31.980
It's great too, that scene, because a lesser writer, well, maybe

515
00:24:31.980 --> 00:24:37.799
even just an ordinary writer would, in order to emphasise how dire

516
00:24:37.799 --> 00:24:38.700
the threat is.

517
00:24:39.059 --> 00:24:41.400
The doctor would have taken the gun.

518
00:24:41.579 --> 00:24:46.500
And he doesn't, he refuses it a bunch of times, and when does he

519
00:24:46.500 --> 00:24:47.039
finally take it?

520
00:24:47.279 --> 00:24:49.380
It's at the end of the seniors.

521
00:24:49.380 --> 00:24:51.240
It doesn't work. push it onto him?

522
00:24:51.299 --> 00:24:53.819
At the end of the scene, I think, when doesn't the master

523
00:24:53.819 --> 00:24:55.559
broadcast that it's a white point star?

524
00:24:55.619 --> 00:24:56.400
Yeah.

525
00:24:56.460 --> 00:25:00.779
And so the thing that makes him take the gun is that the time laws

526
00:25:00.779 --> 00:25:01.259
are right.

527
00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:03.180
Yeah, until then he won't.

528
00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:04.799
He won't take the gun to kill the master.

529
00:25:04.859 --> 00:25:06.000
He absolutely won't.

530
00:25:06.059 --> 00:25:11.160
You know, even when, even when Will says to him, don't prioritise

531
00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:13.799
the master, don't put the master ahead of all of the people on

532
00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:14.160
earth.

533
00:25:14.220 --> 00:25:14.940
Don't you dare.

534
00:25:14.940 --> 00:25:15.900
Don't you dare.

535
00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:17.759
You know, it's so good.

536
00:25:17.819 --> 00:25:21.839
It's such a good scene and even then he won't take the gun and

537
00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:23.819
then, oh, it's the time lords are back.

538
00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:26.579
Then he takes the gun immediately.

539
00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:27.720
It's so good.

540
00:25:27.779 --> 00:25:31.619
I love the fact that that, I think that scene is probably one of

541
00:25:31.619 --> 00:25:33.779
the most stunning scenes in this entire 2 parter.

542
00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:36.960
But I like the fact that leading up to it, Wilf has had another

543
00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:41.099
encounter with the woman in white, and then when we get to the end

544
00:25:41.099 --> 00:25:44.160
of that scene, then they're running back through corridors to

545
00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:49.140
repair the ship, and David's doing a huge info dump about the time

546
00:25:49.140 --> 00:25:52.920
lords as he repairs the ship, but it's, it's, I just find it very

547
00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:55.920
clever writing that you, you have that moment in the middle of

548
00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:59.339
running through corridors and running through the paper mill

549
00:25:59.339 --> 00:26:01.920
before it and after it.

550
00:26:01.980 --> 00:26:06.839
There's a lot of really time efficient writing here.

551
00:26:06.900 --> 00:26:08.759
Yeah, he keeps it going.

552
00:26:08.819 --> 00:26:12.779
It is essentially sort of marking time until the plot kicks back

553
00:26:12.779 --> 00:26:15.839
into gear, but it's not that nothing happens.

554
00:26:15.900 --> 00:26:17.579
They're not just sitting around talking.

555
00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:21.059
That's right. not people sitting around a table and talking, though

556
00:26:21.059 --> 00:26:22.200
that might be intercut with it.

557
00:26:22.259 --> 00:26:25.500
It's still, the stuff in the spaceship is actually really good.

558
00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:28.200
And the structure of this episode, I think, is better than the

559
00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:31.319
last one, because you do get quieter scenes like that, and that's

560
00:26:31.319 --> 00:26:34.619
followed up by that big Han Luke and the Millennium Falcon

561
00:26:34.619 --> 00:26:38.099
shooting at Thai Fighters scene with Wilf, which is just, you know

562
00:26:38.099 --> 00:26:38.759
you've got to love that.

563
00:26:38.819 --> 00:26:42.720
Yes, but he gets to say, Alon Z, you know?

564
00:26:42.779 --> 00:26:43.559
One last time.

565
00:26:43.619 --> 00:26:44.880
Yeah, it's great.

566
00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:47.339
I think that that is really good, isn't it?

567
00:26:47.460 --> 00:26:49.019
Because he's up there.

568
00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:49.799
We can't do anything.

569
00:26:49.859 --> 00:26:50.519
We're trapped.

570
00:26:50.579 --> 00:26:53.160
We, you know, what's going to happen.

571
00:26:53.220 --> 00:26:56.220
And then he just sort of goes, actually no, it's time for me to be

572
00:26:56.220 --> 00:26:58.740
the doctor and actually kind of do this.

573
00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:01.859
And so he gets a hero moment on the way out.

574
00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:07.619
Doctor Who fans, I think, hate spectacle.

575
00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:09.839
They love plot, but they hate spectacle.

576
00:27:09.900 --> 00:27:12.480
They think spectacle is meretricious.

577
00:27:12.539 --> 00:27:13.079
It's cheap.

578
00:27:13.920 --> 00:27:16.680
They could never afford it back in the back in the classic

579
00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:17.099
series.

580
00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:18.119
That's right.

581
00:27:18.180 --> 00:27:21.599
Because we spent 26 years watching squabbling rubber and people

582
00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:24.359
standing talking urgently in corridors.

583
00:27:24.420 --> 00:27:28.079
We decided that that was much more grown up, but that was a much

584
00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:32.579
greater televisual pleasure than special effects and things, you

585
00:27:32.579 --> 00:27:34.920
know, that's for stupid people.

586
00:27:34.920 --> 00:27:40.200
But in fact, that sequence where, you know, the master's firing

587
00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:45.059
his missiles and Wilf is in the cockpit in Luke's cockpit on the

588
00:27:45.059 --> 00:27:48.599
Vinvocci spacecraft is absolutely superb.

589
00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:51.059
You can't have a heart of stone not to enjoy it.

590
00:27:51.180 --> 00:27:56.940
I just love the fact that Sinead is so, like, not into the whole

591
00:27:56.940 --> 00:27:59.160
thing and then she's running from one side of the ship to the

592
00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:01.859
other and throwing up her hands and going, whatever, you know, it's

593
00:28:01.859 --> 00:28:07.019
like, it's just comedy gold, which feels great tumbling from side

594
00:28:07.019 --> 00:28:09.240
to side acting like in Star Trek.

595
00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:13.079
But I just love all the point of view shots with all the missiles

596
00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:16.859
and going around and it's just it's, it's, you need that bit of

597
00:28:16.859 --> 00:28:19.140
action to lift the episode into the final moments.

598
00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:20.700
But the way they get written out.

599
00:28:20.759 --> 00:28:22.200
Oh, he said he was going to die.

600
00:28:22.259 --> 00:28:23.759
And they just bugger off.

601
00:28:23.819 --> 00:28:26.339
That's great, Jay, I think is hilarious.

602
00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:27.900
Eric Saywood would have had them killed.

603
00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:29.460
Horribly, horribly.

604
00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:30.839
I think they should come back.

605
00:28:31.619 --> 00:28:33.480
Say it 3 times.

606
00:28:33.539 --> 00:28:34.980
They'll get their own big finish series.

607
00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:36.900
They've been bot cheated in botch.

608
00:28:36.900 --> 00:28:39.779
I mean, they've tried to do a sequel to Megloss before and it

609
00:28:39.779 --> 00:28:40.319
didn't come off.

610
00:28:40.380 --> 00:28:43.140
It's waiting there for Chris to, you know, take that on.

611
00:28:43.140 --> 00:28:43.980
Volce and me.

612
00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:45.779
He said, yeah, it's great.

613
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:47.819
All of these sort of the quieter scenes and then the action

614
00:28:47.819 --> 00:28:48.359
scenes.

615
00:28:48.420 --> 00:28:51.119
It is masking the fact a little bit that there is not much plot.

616
00:28:51.180 --> 00:28:54.359
I mean, we've basically had capture, escape, recapture.

617
00:28:54.420 --> 00:28:56.160
If I wanted that, I watched Frontier in space.

618
00:28:56.339 --> 00:28:58.140
I mean, it's fine.

619
00:28:58.200 --> 00:28:59.279
It's absolutely fine.

620
00:29:08.339 --> 00:29:12.059
Then the doctor jumps out of a spaceship from a very large height

621
00:29:12.059 --> 00:29:18.299
and survives that fall, which is a precedent to the woman who fell

622
00:29:18.299 --> 00:29:18.839
to earth.

623
00:29:18.900 --> 00:29:21.599
Yeah, well, she just regenerated so she can fall through a whole

624
00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:22.799
railway carriage.

625
00:29:22.859 --> 00:29:25.200
I don't think he falls all that far, does he?

626
00:29:25.259 --> 00:29:28.200
Like when we see the spaceship, it's flying sort of fairly low

627
00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:32.400
over the water and stuff and heading towards the sort of thing

628
00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:34.380
still think it's a very large fall.

629
00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:36.960
I think that's a nice little throwback to Legopolis.

630
00:29:37.019 --> 00:29:38.099
I think it's a fake out.

631
00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:40.200
I think that we think that's what's going to kill him, right?

632
00:29:40.259 --> 00:29:43.859
And, of course, the other thing that we think is going to kill him

633
00:29:43.859 --> 00:29:45.720
is the time lords, and they don't.

634
00:29:45.779 --> 00:29:49.980
And instead what actually kills him, I mean, literally kills him

635
00:29:49.980 --> 00:29:50.640
is radiation.

636
00:29:50.700 --> 00:29:54.000
So that's another throwback to Planet of the Spiders.

637
00:29:54.059 --> 00:29:54.539
Yeah.

638
00:29:54.539 --> 00:29:55.140
Yeah.

639
00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:56.640
But I think it's a it's a faint.

640
00:29:56.759 --> 00:29:59.339
I think that we're supposed to think that he's gonna die of this.

641
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:00.240
From that, yes.

642
00:30:00.299 --> 00:30:01.680
Yeah, because he's covered in blood and stuff.

643
00:30:01.740 --> 00:30:03.059
No, totally agree.

644
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:06.900
Literally, we thought he was going to be war games.

645
00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:10.259
Then planted the spiders and then Lagopolis.

646
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:12.839
If only he'd been time in the Rani.

647
00:30:12.900 --> 00:30:16.920
No, David Tendon is not going to regenerate because of some

648
00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:17.339
massive thing.

649
00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:20.460
He going to bump his head on the console, that dirty console and

650
00:30:20.460 --> 00:30:21.240
regenerate.

651
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:28.019
So we're now at the time lords are returning and they're

652
00:30:28.019 --> 00:30:30.779
materialising in Naismith's parlour.

653
00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:33.180
Yes, because that's where the link is.

654
00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:38.099
And then it's Timothy Dalton, his guards, and these 2 women who

655
00:30:38.099 --> 00:30:40.920
have their hands up over their faces, one of whom we get to see

656
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:41.940
and the other one we don't.

657
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:43.680
Yeah, the other one's Susan.

658
00:30:43.740 --> 00:30:44.339
Yeah, yeah.

659
00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:45.240
Snap.

660
00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:47.759
Who else is it going to be?

661
00:30:47.819 --> 00:30:48.420
His mother.

662
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:50.099
No, Claire Bloom's his mother.

663
00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:53.279
So the other one is the woman that's covering her face.

664
00:30:53.819 --> 00:30:54.119
Yeah.

665
00:30:54.180 --> 00:30:58.259
Do you know, were those sequences shot at different times?

666
00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:00.539
Was Timothy Dalton's just shot from one point of view?

667
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:01.680
Does anybody know?

668
00:31:01.740 --> 00:31:03.059
Bills like that, doesn't it?

669
00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:05.640
Just the way in which the camera is positioned.

670
00:31:05.700 --> 00:31:08.759
I just get the feeling that they could be talking to somebody off

671
00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:10.319
camera rather than the actual.

672
00:31:10.859 --> 00:31:13.980
I think sometimes we see, you know, the reverse shot.

673
00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:18.420
I think sometimes we see tenet, like the tenets between the

674
00:31:18.420 --> 00:31:18.660
camera.

675
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:21.180
The blocking is very stagey in that sense.

676
00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:23.099
I think I don't think that really works.

677
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:25.500
That scene where he turns around and around and around and

678
00:31:25.500 --> 00:31:25.799
around.

679
00:31:25.859 --> 00:31:26.880
I think that's a bit stupid.

680
00:31:26.940 --> 00:31:31.619
And I think too, we've had the master wink at Will.

681
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:35.099
It would be great if the doctor winks at the master and the master

682
00:31:35.099 --> 00:31:35.819
gets it.

683
00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:40.920
You know, this is smart, and then he shoots the, you know, the

684
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:42.599
link out or whatever.

685
00:31:42.660 --> 00:31:45.000
I think that would have been good because at that point, the

686
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:47.220
master and the doctor are on the same side, aren't they?

687
00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:50.400
that they're facing something much, much more evil and much more

688
00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:52.380
destructive than either of them.

689
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:55.619
And so it would have been nice to have seen them work together

690
00:31:55.619 --> 00:31:56.579
sort of one last time.

691
00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:00.839
And it does become obvious in that scene how far gone the time

692
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:02.519
lords are.

693
00:32:02.579 --> 00:32:07.019
And I do like, I do like the staging as to an extent with the

694
00:32:07.019 --> 00:32:11.640
doctor and the gun clicks, although that's technically not how

695
00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:12.720
that revolver works.

696
00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:16.740
And the music and the shaking and all that then stops at a certain

697
00:32:16.740 --> 00:32:21.000
point, but I'm jumping a bit ahead, you know, Rustling gets to

698
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:21.839
change everybody back.

699
00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:27.720
Yeah. from the master into themselves and so you get to see the

700
00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:30.900
characters you care about. and Smith.

701
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:35.579
And yeah, and Gallifrey, of course, materialising outside and...

702
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:38.039
Yeah, see, that's that's Russell's greatest hits, isn't it?

703
00:32:38.099 --> 00:32:39.660
You know, the planet's in the sky again.

704
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:42.599
And he makes a difference by making that planet so incredibly

705
00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:42.900
big.

706
00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:45.480
It looks it looks really ominous.

707
00:32:45.539 --> 00:32:49.619
And it's rolling towards us in the shots on earth.

708
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:53.880
So the planet is actually rolling towards us, which makes it, you

709
00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:56.940
know, it's just Sylvia in the foreground going, oh, another one

710
00:32:56.940 --> 00:32:57.960
another planet.

711
00:32:58.019 --> 00:33:01.200
I'll have to get some more new ornaments after this.

712
00:33:01.259 --> 00:33:04.980
Like a steamroller towards a loony tune on the phone.

713
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:07.259
So good.

714
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:10.859
But I think it's really great that the master gets the opportunity

715
00:33:10.859 --> 00:33:15.420
to take that down. wrestle on ultimately.

716
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:17.220
I'm not sure where the master goes.

717
00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:19.799
Everything just fades to white, so does he just get sucked in with

718
00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:19.980
them?

719
00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:21.000
Yeah.

720
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:23.339
Well, it goes to Mondas, doesn't he?

721
00:33:25.619 --> 00:33:29.640
I think it's a good payoff because the last time Rastlon and the

722
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:33.059
masterface to off-wrestle on was a pantomime ghost and the master

723
00:33:33.059 --> 00:33:35.519
was trussed up like a chicken on the floor of the vault.

724
00:33:38.819 --> 00:33:41.220
So that's a Christmas story as well.

725
00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:43.980
So it's the master's revenge.

726
00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:44.819
Correct.

727
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:48.119
Whose crimes will be punished in the end?

728
00:33:48.420 --> 00:33:52.559
I will say, I didn't, when I, when I watched this originally, I

729
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:55.680
didn't get it that the doctor was going to shoot the machine so

730
00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:58.559
that it would then explode and everything would just revert back

731
00:33:58.559 --> 00:33:59.579
like I didn't see it coming.

732
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:07.079
Um, like when everything fades to white and wolf is trapped.

733
00:34:07.619 --> 00:34:11.280
All throughout these 2 episodes watching this again, there are so

734
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:14.880
many, Russell's pointing us in the direction of wealth all the

735
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:17.699
time and then suddenly just doing a left or right turn very

736
00:34:17.699 --> 00:34:21.599
quickly with humour, with some emotional beat, something else, to

737
00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:24.179
take our mind away for it, but he keeps on directing it back.

738
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:29.340
And until he knocks that 4 times, like I, and the music then just

739
00:34:29.340 --> 00:34:34.139
goes from triumphant and then slowly goes, like goes down.

740
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:36.360
It's so well done.

741
00:34:36.420 --> 00:34:38.159
It's super well done.

742
00:34:38.219 --> 00:34:42.659
And it's one of those things that writers do, good writers do all

743
00:34:42.659 --> 00:34:43.019
the time.

744
00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:45.119
They tell you what they're going to do.

745
00:34:45.179 --> 00:34:46.440
It's exactly what you said.

746
00:34:46.500 --> 00:34:47.820
Wolf's all the way there.

747
00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:49.019
He's central.

748
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:50.519
We're told it over and over again.

749
00:34:50.579 --> 00:34:53.099
He's bound up with a doctor's fate.

750
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:53.880
All of that.

751
00:34:53.940 --> 00:34:58.199
We know it's wealth, but we've even forgotten wealth is there, and

752
00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:01.739
it's completely quiet, and it's kind of like, well, what possible

753
00:35:01.739 --> 00:35:02.519
threat is there?

754
00:35:02.579 --> 00:35:03.659
Do you know what I mean?

755
00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:05.280
Like he fell through the roof.

756
00:35:05.340 --> 00:35:06.539
That's not going to kill him.

757
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:08.219
Rastalon's not going to kill him.

758
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:12.119
He's not sacrificing himself to get Gallifrey to go because the

759
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:12.780
master does that.

760
00:35:12.780 --> 00:35:13.739
And he's there.

761
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:15.480
It's just like, well, what's going to kill me then?

762
00:35:15.539 --> 00:35:18.059
And that's what we're thinking because we all know it's a

763
00:35:18.059 --> 00:35:18.780
regeneration story.

764
00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:20.460
And he even has the line.

765
00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:21.420
I'm alive.

766
00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:22.139
I'm alive.

767
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:26.400
And then knock, knock, knock, and it's like, oh, my God, like

768
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:26.880
exactly.

769
00:35:26.940 --> 00:35:31.320
You see it coming now. you see it coming and then every single

770
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:33.480
time you just get misdirected away from it.

771
00:35:33.539 --> 00:35:36.599
Just when you, I think you're about to make that link in your head

772
00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:37.739
you get distracted.

773
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:39.239
It's very clever.

774
00:35:39.300 --> 00:35:42.960
And I love the fact that it's 4 knocks, but it's 4 lots of 4

775
00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:43.500
knocks.

776
00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:45.179
Like it just, it just, yeah.

777
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:48.360
And it's, they sort of tend to, if not, too. you know, we had the

778
00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:50.820
master hitting barrels with a with a big stick.

779
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:55.739
And last episode, even like you only get 3 knocks in the waters of

780
00:35:55.739 --> 00:35:56.639
Mars thing as well.

781
00:35:56.699 --> 00:35:59.460
It's always these big bangs, but this time it's not.

782
00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:02.099
It's just him tapping with his nail on the glass.

783
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:08.039
And the reason he's in that position is that he allows a young

784
00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:09.420
technician to escape.

785
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:14.159
So the technician says, I can't get out unless that door is

786
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:14.699
closed.

787
00:36:15.059 --> 00:36:18.780
And so he takes the young technician's place.

788
00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:22.980
So he's rescued someone and then there he is.

789
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:29.099
And the scene is so, like, it's really quiet, you know, like it's

790
00:36:29.099 --> 00:36:33.000
completely quiet, and all of this sort of histrionics and stuff

791
00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:36.780
has all gone away, and it's, it's very, very good, I think.

792
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:44.219
See, I find the whole speech from the doctor to Wilf. really

793
00:36:44.219 --> 00:36:44.760
really cruel.

794
00:36:44.820 --> 00:36:45.900
It's awful.

795
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:47.460
I think it's meant to be, though.

796
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:50.280
I think it's meant to be the doctor wallowing and he's self-pity

797
00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:52.019
before he does the right thing.

798
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:55.199
But I think that's a step too far.

799
00:36:55.260 --> 00:37:00.599
It just, it feels really wrong in in the character's mouth and and

800
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:03.659
to say that to a character we've grown to love.

801
00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:05.699
To Bernard Crippens.

802
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:08.460
You don't yell at Bernard Cribbons. rule one.

803
00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:10.500
It's terrible.

804
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:11.639
I really really hate it.

805
00:37:11.699 --> 00:37:13.019
That's why he should die.

806
00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:16.199
But I think we're being put in the place of the audience there.

807
00:37:16.260 --> 00:37:19.260
We talk about the fact the audience was participants in this era

808
00:37:19.260 --> 00:37:19.920
of the show.

809
00:37:19.980 --> 00:37:23.099
And so the audience is there, even though it's lovely Bernard

810
00:37:23.099 --> 00:37:26.039
Cribbons, going, what, so you've killed our favourite doctor.

811
00:37:26.460 --> 00:37:26.940
Well done.

812
00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:27.960
That's right.

813
00:37:28.019 --> 00:37:28.800
And how old are you?

814
00:37:28.860 --> 00:37:31.500
Exactly, if you hadn't saved that young technician, he would let

815
00:37:31.500 --> 00:37:31.980
him fry.

816
00:37:32.340 --> 00:37:34.619
Just the, who are you?

817
00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:36.179
I could have done so much.

818
00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:38.219
I could do so much more.

819
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:39.000
I hate that moment.

820
00:37:39.059 --> 00:37:40.139
I really do.

821
00:37:40.139 --> 00:37:43.079
And I really don't like David Tennant in that moment.

822
00:37:43.139 --> 00:37:45.900
I just find him completely OTT and out of control.

823
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:48.239
Well, see, I love that moment, but for the same reasons.

824
00:37:48.300 --> 00:37:50.099
I really don't like the doctor.

825
00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:51.000
Yeah.

826
00:37:51.059 --> 00:37:57.599
So you're saying that that it's the doctor being awful and it's

827
00:37:57.599 --> 00:37:58.800
clearly time for him to go.

828
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:01.139
No, I'm not saying that.

829
00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:03.840
It's just like you'll feel less bad when he's not in the next

830
00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:04.199
episode.

831
00:38:04.260 --> 00:38:07.980
No, it's more the fact that the audience is on the doctor's side

832
00:38:07.980 --> 00:38:08.340
in this.

833
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:09.659
It's loveable as wealth is.

834
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:11.639
The audience doesn't want the doctor to go.

835
00:38:11.699 --> 00:38:15.659
And so the doctor is allowed to stand there and say, well, great

836
00:38:15.659 --> 00:38:18.840
because you are basically stupid and now I've got to save you.

837
00:38:18.900 --> 00:38:20.699
I don't want to go.

838
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:22.079
The audience doesn't want me to go.

839
00:38:22.139 --> 00:38:23.099
I'm going to say that.

840
00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:26.579
However, now I am going to do the right thing and I'm going to do

841
00:38:26.579 --> 00:38:26.940
it anyway.

842
00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:31.019
Yeah, I totally see your point of view, but I just, I don't like

843
00:38:31.019 --> 00:38:32.039
some of the dialogue.

844
00:38:32.099 --> 00:38:36.360
I don't like David's performance at that and I just, it's all the

845
00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:37.679
things that I don't like about his doctor.

846
00:38:37.739 --> 00:38:39.059
Yeah, I agree.

847
00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:43.199
I'm now recognising moments in these last sequence of run, just in

848
00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:47.159
the last 6 or 7 episodes where it's these over the top moments, or

849
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:50.039
this is what's sticking my mind, but it's actually not indicative

850
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:52.260
of his performance actually all the way through.

851
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:56.280
I think it's a very raw moment for the doctor and we're not used

852
00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:59.400
to seeing that rawness where the doctor blames other people and is

853
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:00.420
cruel to other people.

854
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:03.420
But I think give him that moment because of what he's about to

855
00:39:03.420 --> 00:39:03.659
do.

856
00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:06.360
Yeah, I don't know.

857
00:39:06.420 --> 00:39:07.019
I don't know.

858
00:39:07.139 --> 00:39:09.119
I see where you're coming from and I totally understand.

859
00:39:09.179 --> 00:39:10.139
Yeah.

860
00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:10.920
I don't feel it.

861
00:39:10.980 --> 00:39:12.119
No, I don't like it.

862
00:39:12.179 --> 00:39:15.599
And I don't, it is that tenant performance, which the worst thing

863
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:19.380
about David Tennant's doctor, and it's absolutely in that scene

864
00:39:19.380 --> 00:39:21.659
and the way he delivers it.

865
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:23.400
I think he's been excellent throughout this story.

866
00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:24.420
Yeah, yeah.

867
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:24.900
Yeah.

868
00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:28.500
Yeah, I just have a problem with that moment in episode one, and I

869
00:39:28.500 --> 00:39:31.139
have a problem with this moment, because then he comes back with

870
00:39:31.139 --> 00:39:36.059
oh, yeah, now it opens or whatever. that is so, yeah, I love that

871
00:39:36.059 --> 00:39:36.239
moment.

872
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:37.679
It's beautifully played.

873
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:40.320
It's a great release of tension, I think.

874
00:39:40.380 --> 00:39:41.400
Thank you, Nathan.

875
00:39:41.460 --> 00:39:43.739
Yeah, yeah. is a great release of tension.

876
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:45.300
A great release of tenant.

877
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:49.260
But in that same moment, you know, then, you know, he puts his

878
00:39:49.260 --> 00:39:53.039
hands over his face and the scars are gone and you get to see the

879
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:56.820
hug from Will and Donna wake up and Sylvia smiling at the doctor.

880
00:39:56.880 --> 00:39:58.559
Yes, she's smiling.

881
00:39:58.619 --> 00:40:04.019
She's smiling, and then, look, I'll see you one more time, and I'm

882
00:40:04.019 --> 00:40:04.800
going to get my reward.

883
00:40:04.860 --> 00:40:08.280
So from Wolf knocking on the glass to the end of the episode.

884
00:40:08.340 --> 00:40:11.460
I think might be one of the most perfect stretches of Doc 2 ever.

885
00:40:11.519 --> 00:40:14.639
Everyone, here's my experience.

886
00:40:14.699 --> 00:40:18.179
Everyone that I speak to really loves it, but believes everyone

887
00:40:18.179 --> 00:40:19.019
else hates it.

888
00:40:19.139 --> 00:40:23.280
And I think there are people who think it's self-indulgent.

889
00:40:23.340 --> 00:40:23.760
It is?

890
00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:25.440
Yeah, I think it is too.

891
00:40:25.500 --> 00:40:28.980
And so was the end of Journeys End, too.

892
00:40:29.099 --> 00:40:36.599
But the actual visiting, the companions actually only takes about

893
00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:37.199
5 minutes.

894
00:40:37.260 --> 00:40:38.880
It's not very long.

895
00:40:38.940 --> 00:40:43.800
And I think it's absolutely superb.

896
00:40:43.860 --> 00:40:45.059
And I think it's necessary.

897
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:46.500
And they've earned it.

898
00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:47.639
Yeah, they've earned it.

899
00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:51.179
That's why it's not there for the doctor. for them to play a part

900
00:40:51.179 --> 00:40:52.079
in the end of the year.

901
00:40:52.139 --> 00:40:52.800
And for us.

902
00:40:52.860 --> 00:40:56.820
You know, to remind us of what we've been through over the last 5

903
00:40:56.820 --> 00:40:58.619
years and it does it perfectly.

904
00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:00.539
You hate it, Todd.

905
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:03.480
No, I absolutely and utterly adore it.

906
00:41:03.539 --> 00:41:07.800
At the time, I was going, what is this?

907
00:41:07.860 --> 00:41:08.639
Why is this?

908
00:41:08.699 --> 00:41:11.579
The doctor just sort of regenerates and we have floating heads and

909
00:41:11.579 --> 00:41:15.059
flashbacks and this is not the way Doctor Who works, right?

910
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:19.619
Russell has just, uh, he's just been self-indulgent and, you know

911
00:41:19.619 --> 00:41:20.880
he should just regenerate right now.

912
00:41:20.940 --> 00:41:23.579
He can't go on for another 16 minutes before regenerating.

913
00:41:24.300 --> 00:41:27.480
Of course, as always, I've changed my tune.

914
00:41:27.539 --> 00:41:29.760
We now know 5 to a nine.

915
00:41:29.820 --> 00:41:32.519
You now know that we can hold it in for a whole special.

916
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:35.340
Correct.

917
00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:37.320
We go back to Todd's little black book.

918
00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:44.400
Who invited you, Patrick Griffiths, who invited you?

919
00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:47.159
I really love it.

920
00:41:47.219 --> 00:41:49.860
And it is earnt and it's necessary.

921
00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:53.039
And I think what's really great is that everybody comes back to do

922
00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:53.280
it.

923
00:41:53.340 --> 00:41:53.940
Yeah.

924
00:41:53.940 --> 00:41:58.079
And I think that's testament to the family atmosphere of the show

925
00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:03.420
and how the show is run and it's a reflection of the viewers and

926
00:42:03.420 --> 00:42:06.480
how all these people are part of their family and have been.

927
00:42:06.539 --> 00:42:07.019
Yeah.

928
00:42:07.019 --> 00:42:10.800
Well, I think I think that we are probably more impressed by that

929
00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:13.800
as classic Doctor Who fans because it literally never happened.

930
00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:18.420
Or not never, but very, you know, seldom actually happened.

931
00:42:18.539 --> 00:42:23.400
Matthew Waterhouse, um, in Andresani, yeah.

932
00:42:23.460 --> 00:42:26.280
Well, in fact, they all come back from Rosani. just for a brief

933
00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:26.519
thing.

934
00:42:26.579 --> 00:42:28.380
But it's sort of crap.

935
00:42:28.980 --> 00:42:30.659
No, it is.

936
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:31.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

937
00:42:31.980 --> 00:42:34.800
But this, I think is just tremendous.

938
00:42:34.860 --> 00:42:38.880
And we saw them go off into an unknown future at the end of

939
00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:39.780
Journey's end.

940
00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:41.820
Now we see where they are now.

941
00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:43.860
And so it's not just a repeat.

942
00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:46.800
So we've got Martha and Mickey and they're married versus

943
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:47.820
Santaran.

944
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:49.440
How do we feel about the marriage?

945
00:42:49.500 --> 00:42:51.179
I'm fine with that.

946
00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:52.139
Yeah, I don't mind.

947
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:53.039
I kind of love it.

948
00:42:53.099 --> 00:42:53.760
Yeah.

949
00:42:53.820 --> 00:42:54.900
It's so hilarious.

950
00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:56.400
Like, it's like, and they're married?

951
00:42:56.460 --> 00:42:57.960
She gave up Lucifer.

952
00:42:58.019 --> 00:43:00.059
He's got dreadlocks?

953
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:01.380
That's great.

954
00:43:01.380 --> 00:43:03.360
I'd give up Lucifer and all Clark.

955
00:43:03.420 --> 00:43:04.079
Yeah, yeah.

956
00:43:04.139 --> 00:43:04.800
He's sorry.

957
00:43:04.860 --> 00:43:06.780
I mean, Lucifer's hot.

958
00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:09.659
Oh, yeah. come and meet you on a beach in the middle of the

959
00:43:09.659 --> 00:43:09.840
night.

960
00:43:10.380 --> 00:43:12.599
Is that a euphemism?

961
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:16.980
And then we've got Luke and obviously the doctor saves Luke and he

962
00:43:16.980 --> 00:43:20.699
name checks Clyde and Mr. Smith and then the final appearance of

963
00:43:20.699 --> 00:43:22.380
Liz.

964
00:43:22.500 --> 00:43:25.739
Liz looking at the doctor, the doctor looking at Liz is guaranteed

965
00:43:25.739 --> 00:43:27.059
to bring a lump to your throat.

966
00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:29.039
Oh, no, I was crying by that point.

967
00:43:29.099 --> 00:43:33.719
So you know the saving of Luke is an in-joke by Russell because

968
00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:36.840
the kids never looked left or right when they crossed the street

969
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:37.980
outside the house.

970
00:43:38.460 --> 00:43:42.840
And they get into closed off street for filming, et cetera.

971
00:43:42.900 --> 00:43:46.260
Well, no, no, like they and they do it even when they weren't

972
00:43:46.260 --> 00:43:50.519
filming, like just walking sort of around and they kept being told

973
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:52.980
off for it.

974
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:55.079
And so he made that part of the story.

975
00:43:55.139 --> 00:43:59.400
But you see, it's these vignettes. accompanied by some of Murray's

976
00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:03.900
best ever music, which have all of that Russell warmth and

977
00:44:03.900 --> 00:44:08.280
cleverness and the ability just to draft a complete emotional arc

978
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:12.780
in 30 seconds, which the rest of the episode does lack

979
00:44:12.780 --> 00:44:15.599
occasionally, but is utterly redeemed by these sequences.

980
00:44:15.659 --> 00:44:18.900
Totally agree, and you've just summarised that utterly

981
00:44:18.900 --> 00:44:19.440
brilliantly.

982
00:44:19.500 --> 00:44:21.059
I tried my best.

983
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:24.539
And then we get the cantina with, let's have every single monster

984
00:44:24.539 --> 00:44:25.679
that we possibly can.

985
00:44:26.280 --> 00:44:30.179
With Captain Jack and Alonso from Voyage of the Damned.

986
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:31.619
It's just...

987
00:44:31.619 --> 00:44:32.519
You know where that's set?

988
00:44:32.579 --> 00:44:34.380
on the planet Zog.

989
00:44:35.820 --> 00:44:38.280
See, I think they missed a trick there.

990
00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:39.599
It shouldn't have been Alonso.

991
00:44:39.659 --> 00:44:40.679
It should have been Jenny.

992
00:44:40.739 --> 00:44:42.539
Jenny needed a reappearance.

993
00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:44.579
The doctor could have set up Jack with his own daughter.

994
00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:45.360
How about that?

995
00:44:47.699 --> 00:44:52.380
It would have just tie in with Mr. Nasmith and his daughter. in

996
00:44:52.380 --> 00:44:53.280
the prison cell.

997
00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:59.519
Then the surprising one to me is the Verity Newman book launch, but

998
00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:01.380
my goodness, doesn't it get to you?

999
00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:08.340
It's the very last line of the scene where he's asked Verity if

1000
00:45:08.340 --> 00:45:09.480
her grandmother was happy.

1001
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:12.239
And she blatantly lies and says yes.

1002
00:45:12.300 --> 00:45:13.079
Yes.

1003
00:45:13.139 --> 00:45:15.239
And then she says, were you?

1004
00:45:15.300 --> 00:45:20.460
And again, because Tenant chooses to underplay it, it's not a

1005
00:45:20.460 --> 00:45:21.840
slappable moment for him.

1006
00:45:21.900 --> 00:45:23.699
It's actually really pretty good.

1007
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:27.719
And apparently did an early cut of the episode, leave it out.

1008
00:45:27.780 --> 00:45:32.400
Yes, Russell or Julie or somebody said that when Eros assembled

1009
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:35.280
the edit, he took that scene out for reasons unknown, maybe for

1010
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:38.099
piecing or for duration or whatever, and it took them several

1011
00:45:38.099 --> 00:45:41.820
times watching it to go, wait, where's the Jessica Heinz scene?

1012
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:43.380
Yeah, interesting.

1013
00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:49.559
Then we do get a bit of levity and joy in the Donanoble wedding

1014
00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:54.119
and Neres, friends and Neres.

1015
00:45:54.179 --> 00:45:56.699
Again, generally in long shot.

1016
00:45:56.820 --> 00:45:57.480
Yeah.

1017
00:45:57.480 --> 00:46:02.340
But then bringing it back to Will and Sylvia, and my goodness, the

1018
00:46:02.340 --> 00:46:08.400
moment the doctor says that he borrowed the money from Sylvia's

1019
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:09.659
husband, Jeffrey Noble.

1020
00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:10.260
Yeah.

1021
00:46:10.260 --> 00:46:11.579
It just got to me.

1022
00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:14.280
I actually burst into tears the 1st time I watched it at that

1023
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:14.519
point.

1024
00:46:14.579 --> 00:46:18.300
And it's not only David Tennant's performance, it's actually

1025
00:46:18.300 --> 00:46:23.639
Jackie's performance. as Sylvia, and that character arc, and the

1026
00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:27.480
playoff of that character where, yeah, obviously she was in turn

1027
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:30.000
left a lot, but a lot of the other times she's just in the

1028
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:30.960
background doing things.

1029
00:46:31.019 --> 00:46:34.739
I just think is an absolute testament to her, to Bernard and to

1030
00:46:34.739 --> 00:46:37.079
David and the way they work.

1031
00:46:37.139 --> 00:46:40.619
It's the big important Sylvia moment that we've been waiting for

1032
00:46:40.619 --> 00:46:45.179
all story, and she gets it finally right at the end and pulls your

1033
00:46:45.179 --> 00:46:45.780
heart to pieces.

1034
00:46:45.900 --> 00:46:51.300
There's the famous GIF, of course, of Wilf saluting, which is

1035
00:46:51.300 --> 00:46:54.420
taken from that moment as well as the doctor leaves.

1036
00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:55.019
It's wonderful.

1037
00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:57.719
It's so beautifully shot as well.

1038
00:46:57.780 --> 00:47:01.380
I mean, the music, obviously, but the wind machine blowing the

1039
00:47:01.380 --> 00:47:04.440
leaves across the Tardis is, I mean, it's beautiful television.

1040
00:47:04.500 --> 00:47:07.800
Oh, and he gets to tell the doctor the nasmiths were locked up.

1041
00:47:07.860 --> 00:47:08.820
Yeah, yeah.

1042
00:47:08.820 --> 00:47:09.599
And his daughter.

1043
00:47:10.139 --> 00:47:12.179
That's actually really cute.

1044
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:15.179
Like, it's just like, let's tie up this air. you know, who cares?

1045
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:18.539
Was anyone wondering, you know, but there we go.

1046
00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:26.400
And then it just cuts into 2 lovely ladies walking home together.

1047
00:47:26.460 --> 00:47:27.659
I will say this.

1048
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:31.139
I do think Billy Piper looks too thin in this scene.

1049
00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:33.900
I think because her teeth are bigger.

1050
00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:36.840
I was going to say, I'm not sure about her teeth. not saying it's

1051
00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:37.260
criticism.

1052
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:38.639
She actually looks really thin.

1053
00:47:38.699 --> 00:47:43.019
I think she's really great in this and I think she she nails

1054
00:47:43.019 --> 00:47:43.860
Rose.

1055
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:46.980
Like, after all this time, after all those times we've talked

1056
00:47:46.980 --> 00:47:49.019
about how she comes back in series 4 and can't remember how to

1057
00:47:49.019 --> 00:47:49.739
play it or whatever.

1058
00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:52.559
This is her playing the original character.

1059
00:47:52.619 --> 00:47:53.940
She's given Jackie.

1060
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:54.840
She's given the estate.

1061
00:47:54.900 --> 00:47:55.739
She's right back there.

1062
00:47:55.860 --> 00:47:57.000
It's so good.

1063
00:47:57.059 --> 00:47:58.019
It's so great.

1064
00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:00.179
I mean, having Jackie back.

1065
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:01.139
Yeah, yeah.

1066
00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:04.199
Having Rose telling her not to stay out too late.

1067
00:48:04.260 --> 00:48:04.800
We get that.

1068
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:06.719
And, you know, 30 seconds.

1069
00:48:06.780 --> 00:48:10.139
Russell, beautiful emotional arc with Jackie saying at my age I'm

1070
00:48:10.139 --> 00:48:10.980
not gonna get any better.

1071
00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:13.260
Rose stopping and saying, don't say that.

1072
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:16.320
Yeah, this is an important moment between those 2 characters

1073
00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:17.760
jammed into this tiny scene.

1074
00:48:17.820 --> 00:48:19.260
It's wonderful, isn't it?

1075
00:48:19.380 --> 00:48:20.340
It's so good.

1076
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:22.139
And because how else are you gonna do it?

1077
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:25.260
And it's perfect because it brings the entire show back full

1078
00:48:25.260 --> 00:48:31.260
circle. where the show starts and where his doctor starts.

1079
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:34.920
And you know that they're going to get a happy ending as well.

1080
00:48:34.980 --> 00:48:37.199
Well, she's gonna marry a mechanic.

1081
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:43.320
This also has a personal resonance for me. because the 1st time I

1082
00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:47.460
ever saw David Tennant in action was visiting the set when they

1083
00:48:47.460 --> 00:48:51.900
were shooting scenes for the Christmas invasion on the estate.

1084
00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:52.500
Right.

1085
00:48:52.500 --> 00:48:56.159
And I stood there with Frenemy of the podcast, Paul Masters, and

1086
00:48:56.159 --> 00:49:00.000
we watched these scenes and we watched the little sort of bottom

1087
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:04.139
of the TARDIS that they flew above Jackie and Mickey as it came

1088
00:49:04.139 --> 00:49:06.300
into land and we watched David Tennant in it.

1089
00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:08.760
And I couldn't help thinking when I was watching this.

1090
00:49:08.820 --> 00:49:12.059
It just took me back to that and I thought, how far the show had

1091
00:49:12.059 --> 00:49:13.980
come in those 4 years.

1092
00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:15.360
I mean, it was just incredible.

1093
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:16.739
Yeah.

1094
00:49:16.860 --> 00:49:20.340
I think that that is one hell of a great sequence.

1095
00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:25.559
The final scene, on the other hand, I don't really like very

1096
00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:25.739
much.

1097
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:30.239
Oh, when he, what, staggers to the wall and then and then the

1098
00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:31.800
music is too over the top.

1099
00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:33.360
Yeah, yeah.

1100
00:49:33.420 --> 00:49:36.780
You've got the oude and like that oude was cross at him before.

1101
00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:38.699
I liked the od when he was crossed.

1102
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:39.960
Now the od's all over him.

1103
00:49:40.019 --> 00:49:43.860
I think he just needed to stagger to the Tartars. and get him to

1104
00:49:43.860 --> 00:49:44.340
the Tartars.

1105
00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:45.659
We didn't need that.

1106
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:47.639
Yeah, I think it's too much.

1107
00:49:47.699 --> 00:49:48.659
It's bit overwrought.

1108
00:49:48.719 --> 00:49:49.860
Yeah, I think so too.

1109
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:55.440
And just look, you know, it's it's Doctor Who, and it can be

1110
00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:59.820
operatic and melodramatic, it's not prestige TV.

1111
00:49:59.880 --> 00:50:03.480
We've got Murray telling us how to feel about that and that's

1112
00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:07.920
exactly what incidental music is for, but I just think it's too

1113
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:10.380
much, just far too much.

1114
00:50:10.500 --> 00:50:12.599
And when tenants acting in it.

1115
00:50:12.659 --> 00:50:15.420
That's precisely the sort of tenet acting that I hate.

1116
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:19.500
So his last moment is him gnashing his teeth, crawling along, you

1117
00:50:19.500 --> 00:50:25.320
know, his bottom lip wobbling, he's in tears, and it's all just

1118
00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:26.940
you know, overwrought?

1119
00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:28.139
Yeah I just want him to go.

1120
00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:32.099
There were several takes of the very last line, including one

1121
00:50:32.099 --> 00:50:34.920
where he was much more overall, and they used kind of the middling

1122
00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:38.639
one, which I think was the right decision. number three, where

1123
00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:40.860
he's almost, almost fraught.

1124
00:50:40.920 --> 00:50:43.260
I don't mind me, I don't want to go.

1125
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:46.260
First to number 4 where he's past wrought.

1126
00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:50.039
But isn't it the story of Doc 2 all over, that you have this huge

1127
00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:54.420
dramatic moment with big emotions and swelling music and the

1128
00:50:54.420 --> 00:50:57.900
console room on fire, and then you bring in the new doctor who

1129
00:50:57.900 --> 00:51:01.199
just gets comedy moments, kissing his legs and going, I'm not

1130
00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:03.719
ginger and going, ooh, then the TARDIS explodes on him.

1131
00:51:03.780 --> 00:51:08.460
And I think every subsequent regeneration, you feel the same way.

1132
00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:09.659
Do you know what I mean?

1133
00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:13.019
Like, and I don't know whether it's because all of the doctors out

1134
00:51:13.019 --> 00:51:16.500
stay their welcome or something, but it's kind of like, oh, so

1135
00:51:16.500 --> 00:51:17.940
Smith's gone, here's Capoldi.

1136
00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:19.559
He's like really scary and interesting.

1137
00:51:19.619 --> 00:51:23.820
You get that terrible, terrible twice upon a time where, um, and

1138
00:51:23.820 --> 00:51:27.420
the doctor gives an 18 minute speech at the end and then and is

1139
00:51:27.420 --> 00:51:28.440
thinking about killing himself.

1140
00:51:28.500 --> 00:51:31.260
And then suddenly Jody turns up and goes, wow, brilliant.

1141
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:33.179
And, you know, like the whole thing.

1142
00:51:33.239 --> 00:51:34.320
It's always a relief.

1143
00:51:34.380 --> 00:51:36.960
This is a template for every regeneration since.

1144
00:51:37.019 --> 00:51:37.739
Yeah.

1145
00:51:37.739 --> 00:51:42.360
And and the show suffers for it, I think, in the long run.

1146
00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:45.960
I really hate the way he spits on the console too, and he says, I'm

1147
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:46.619
crashing.

1148
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:47.760
I was very unimpressed.

1149
00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:49.920
I was quite determined to hate him from that point.

1150
00:51:49.980 --> 00:51:54.659
That's because all of the debris falling from the set got in his

1151
00:51:54.659 --> 00:51:54.960
mouth.

1152
00:51:54.960 --> 00:51:59.820
And he was literally spitting stuff out of his mouth as he was

1153
00:51:59.820 --> 00:52:00.239
saying that.

1154
00:52:00.300 --> 00:52:01.500
Did they not do a retail?

1155
00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:04.380
No, they were exploding the set in the background.

1156
00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:08.039
No, they were going to cut it out, but Russell insisted that they

1157
00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:08.519
keep it in.

1158
00:52:08.579 --> 00:52:09.300
I quite like it.

1159
00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:10.980
It has to be said. hate that bit.

1160
00:52:11.460 --> 00:52:13.920
I like him immediately, though.

1161
00:52:13.980 --> 00:52:18.900
Like, I think he does, he's a bit squeaky voice and he never

1162
00:52:18.900 --> 00:52:20.099
really properly does that again.

1163
00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:24.900
But it is that thing where you've had a doctor who's been like

1164
00:52:24.900 --> 00:52:27.780
dreading this and then he gets through it and actually it's all

1165
00:52:27.780 --> 00:52:28.019
right.

1166
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:31.139
Everything's fine and it turns out he's really funny and silly and

1167
00:52:31.139 --> 00:52:32.519
super doctor-ish.

1168
00:52:32.579 --> 00:52:35.519
And he used to say Geronimo and I'm thinking, really, are they

1169
00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:36.539
going to keep that?

1170
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:37.980
That's going to be like the word?

1171
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:42.360
I think he only ends up saying it 3 times or 4 times in all.

1172
00:52:42.420 --> 00:52:43.860
It doesn't become a catchphrase.

1173
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:47.579
And as much as I do like Matt Smith's 1st outfit as the doctor, he

1174
00:52:47.579 --> 00:52:49.199
looks great in David Tennant's costume.

1175
00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:49.980
Yeah, yeah.

1176
00:52:50.039 --> 00:52:50.519
Yeah.

1177
00:52:50.579 --> 00:52:53.940
Yeah, I've sounded really negative on Matt Smith right here at

1178
00:52:53.940 --> 00:52:59.340
this point, but I adore him as the doctor, but at this point in

1179
00:52:59.340 --> 00:53:01.500
time, I was struggling with the new guy.

1180
00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:04.860
And also that, you know, when he was interviewed, like when he was

1181
00:53:04.860 --> 00:53:07.679
announced and I just thought, oh, yeah, well that's right.

1182
00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:08.460
More too young.

1183
00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:10.500
It's going to be Peter Davidson all over again.

1184
00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:11.940
It's too cold.

1185
00:53:12.059 --> 00:53:16.199
He's too fat Well, I just thought, oh, really, it's just another

1186
00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:19.019
kind of sort of wacky white guy.

1187
00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:19.800
Do you know what I mean?

1188
00:53:19.860 --> 00:53:22.079
Like, it just didn't, anyway.

1189
00:53:22.139 --> 00:53:23.940
We will be talking about this.

1190
00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:27.119
We will be discovering the joy of Matt Smith.

1191
00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:29.039
Over the next five. few years.

1192
00:53:29.099 --> 00:53:32.699
And of course, there is no doctor who's ever nailed it in his 1st

1193
00:53:32.699 --> 00:53:34.260
scene as much as Matt does.

1194
00:53:34.380 --> 00:53:37.980
That doctor that you get there is pretty much the doctor that we

1195
00:53:37.980 --> 00:53:38.159
get.

1196
00:53:47.460 --> 00:53:52.320
Okay, so it's part two, so it's time for picks of the week.

1197
00:53:52.380 --> 00:53:57.239
My pick of the week is the YouTube channel, Mary Claire's life.

1198
00:53:57.300 --> 00:54:01.559
She's a new who fan who's gone back to the beginning of the

1199
00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:06.179
classic series, and she's watched every single episode up to the

1200
00:54:06.179 --> 00:54:09.900
Robots of Death, when she's an absolute joy and delight to watch

1201
00:54:09.900 --> 00:54:13.320
because she's tried not to be spoiled on anything, and just her

1202
00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:16.860
discovering the show and the characters and her joy for it, and

1203
00:54:16.860 --> 00:54:20.519
telling Yoo-hoo fans, these people that don't want to know

1204
00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:22.920
anything about classic who they've got rocks in their heads.

1205
00:54:22.980 --> 00:54:23.579
I just love her.

1206
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:26.579
And I continue to watch her, go and find that channel.

1207
00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:28.619
I'll put a link to it in the show notes.

1208
00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:29.579
That's a delightful choice.

1209
00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:33.599
Isn't it delightful having a Doctor Who fan on YouTube who likes

1210
00:54:33.599 --> 00:54:34.320
Doctor Who?

1211
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:35.880
That's it.

1212
00:54:35.940 --> 00:54:37.440
There's a couple of others.

1213
00:54:37.500 --> 00:54:40.440
Cesca says and Medusa Cascade are also doing this journey.

1214
00:54:40.500 --> 00:54:41.099
Cesca.

1215
00:54:41.159 --> 00:54:42.659
Yes, she's a fantastic.

1216
00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:44.639
I saw my real name, but it's just fantastic.

1217
00:54:44.699 --> 00:54:47.699
They're also doing the same journey and they're at different

1218
00:54:47.699 --> 00:54:48.179
points.

1219
00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:52.199
And so I watch all 3 of them and all 3 women are just loving

1220
00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:54.480
different aspects of the show and it's brilliant.

1221
00:54:54.539 --> 00:54:56.880
But Mary Claire's my pick at the moment.

1222
00:54:57.000 --> 00:55:04.800
So my pick of the week is W1A. The BBC 2 mockumentary comedy

1223
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:08.340
featuring Q Bonneville and Jessica Hines.

1224
00:55:09.659 --> 00:55:17.820
It's kind of a bit like, say, uh, Utopia or um, the games.

1225
00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:23.159
It's a spinoff from 2012, which was the BBC's version of the games

1226
00:55:23.159 --> 00:55:27.179
basically, with the same characters from that story.

1227
00:55:27.239 --> 00:55:31.619
And tenant does the narration.

1228
00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:32.519
Oh, okay.

1229
00:55:32.579 --> 00:55:36.179
And is better in it than Doctor Who.

1230
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:37.980
But no, I just love it.

1231
00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:39.539
It's just so enjoyable.

1232
00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:44.880
It's basically set behind the scenes at the BBC with their sort of

1233
00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:46.920
spin doctor PR department.

1234
00:55:47.579 --> 00:55:52.739
My pick of the week, or indeed the month, um, given that President

1235
00:55:52.739 --> 00:55:56.880
Obama is name checked so much in these episodes and Wolf talks

1236
00:55:56.880 --> 00:56:00.300
about the fact that he's got a big plan to save the planet, I'm

1237
00:56:00.300 --> 00:56:02.400
not sure that ever came to fruition, but I think he did try.

1238
00:56:02.460 --> 00:56:06.179
My pick of the week will be to go back and look at some of the

1239
00:56:06.179 --> 00:56:11.159
post-election coverage from 2020 with Donald Trump refusing to

1240
00:56:11.159 --> 00:56:15.840
concede in a very autocratic way, and Joe Biden winning the

1241
00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:18.059
election and becoming the president elect, because it turns out

1242
00:56:18.059 --> 00:56:22.980
that because President Obama, then Senator Obama took Joe Biden

1243
00:56:22.980 --> 00:56:26.519
and made him vice president and gave him that platform, and he

1244
00:56:26.519 --> 00:56:29.099
then ran for the presidency, and I think it's becoming

1245
00:56:29.099 --> 00:56:32.340
increasingly clear that maybe he was the only Democrat who could

1246
00:56:32.340 --> 00:56:37.139
win against Donald Trump and indeed did, President Obama did, in

1247
00:56:37.139 --> 00:56:38.099
fact, save the planet.

1248
00:56:38.219 --> 00:56:40.860
So go back and watch some of the coverage and enjoy.

1249
00:56:40.980 --> 00:56:46.619
I'm going to go for a TV show, um, and it is uh, The Boys, which

1250
00:56:46.619 --> 00:56:52.199
is on Amazon Prime, uh, and I am just really enjoying it.

1251
00:56:52.260 --> 00:56:54.420
I've watched the 1st 2 seasons all the way through.

1252
00:56:54.480 --> 00:56:57.960
I'm someone who doesn't do violence and gore very well.

1253
00:56:58.019 --> 00:57:01.079
I like to watch, you know, the sort of violence that I like is

1254
00:57:01.079 --> 00:57:04.019
where someone gets shot in the stomach and then they clutch their

1255
00:57:04.019 --> 00:57:06.960
throes or whatever and then they fall to the ground.

1256
00:57:07.019 --> 00:57:08.400
Space 1999.

1257
00:57:08.579 --> 00:57:10.679
Yeah, yeah, just something something gentle.

1258
00:57:10.739 --> 00:57:12.000
This is super gory.

1259
00:57:12.059 --> 00:57:15.960
And eventually the gore is hilariously funny, and that's not

1260
00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:18.719
normally how I kind of process it.

1261
00:57:18.780 --> 00:57:20.400
And it is slightly ironic.

1262
00:57:20.460 --> 00:57:24.539
The boys are a group of sort of people who are fighting against

1263
00:57:24.539 --> 00:57:25.440
superheroes.

1264
00:57:25.500 --> 00:57:28.739
So it's a little bit like the Avengers in Avengers Assemble.

1265
00:57:28.800 --> 00:57:34.860
Only they're run by a giant evil corporation, and they sort of

1266
00:57:34.860 --> 00:57:38.340
represent American capitalism and American imperialism and stuff

1267
00:57:38.340 --> 00:57:38.760
like that.

1268
00:57:38.820 --> 00:57:43.139
And there's a bracing dash of white supremacy in series 2.

1269
00:57:43.139 --> 00:57:48.719
It is really, really kind of great satire with really, really fun

1270
00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:53.039
performances and it's delightful that it comes to as courtesy of

1271
00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:55.860
the largest and most evil corporation on the planet.

1272
00:58:21.059 --> 00:58:23.940
Well, that's all we have time for this week.

1273
00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:27.960
We'll be back next week, Frau Russell T. Davis retrospective, where

1274
00:58:27.960 --> 00:58:31.619
we'll be talking about the entirety of the first five years of the

1275
00:58:31.619 --> 00:58:34.019
21st century version of Doctor Who.

1276
00:58:34.139 --> 00:58:37.920
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts

1277
00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:41.039
and you can keep up with us at Flights or Entirety on Facebook, at

1278
00:58:41.039 --> 00:58:45.840
FTE podcast on Twitter, and on our website, Flightthrough Entirety

1279
00:58:44.820 --> 00:58:49.199
com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger, and

1280
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:50.340
Jody into Terror.

1281
00:58:50.460 --> 00:58:55.079
Until next time, may the next person who saves your life, at least

1282
00:58:55.079 --> 00:58:57.239
try to be a little bit gracious about it.

1283
00:58:57.300 --> 00:59:00.000
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1284
00:59:00.059 --> 00:59:01.320
Happy New Year.

1285
00:59:01.380 --> 00:59:02.699
See you soon.

1286
00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:03.780
Good night.

1287
00:59:03.840 --> 00:59:05.579
I don't want to go.

1288
00:59:05.639 --> 00:59:07.260
He's always saying that.

1289
00:59:11.280 --> 00:59:15.059
That was Flight 3 Entirety, starring Todd, but it'll be Nathan

1290
00:59:15.059 --> 00:59:17.099
Bottomley, Peter Griffiths, and James Selwood.

1291
00:59:17.159 --> 00:59:19.980
Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb, strings performance by Jane

1292
00:59:19.980 --> 00:59:20.699
Orberg.

1293
00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:24.539
This episode, a great release of tension, was recorded on the 13th

1294
00:59:24.539 --> 00:59:27.539
of December 2020 and released on New Year's Day.

1295
00:59:30.599 --> 00:59:35.219
That was the last episode of our coverage of the 2009 specials, and

1296
00:59:35.219 --> 00:59:37.860
so it's time to thank our guests over the last few weeks.

1297
00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:41.219
Simon Moore, Pete Lambert, and Conrad Westmers.

1298
00:59:41.280 --> 00:59:42.599
We'll see you next week.

1299
00:59:43.619 --> 00:59:46.260
Sorry, did I ruin the outro there?

1300
00:59:46.320 --> 00:59:47.280
No, no, no, that's it.

1301
00:59:47.340 --> 00:59:48.000
Let do pics of the week.

1302
00:59:48.119 --> 00:59:50.940
I didn't get to say that I gave it 7 out of 10.

1303
00:59:51.300 --> 00:59:53.400
Used to be a 6.8.

1304
00:59:53.639 --> 00:59:55.500
Yeah, you revised it up.

1305
00:59:55.559 --> 00:59:58.800
Well, I had a total Todd moment rewatching this, like doing the

1306
00:59:58.800 --> 00:59:59.280
thing.

1307
00:59:59.340 --> 01:00:02.699
Like because I just thought, oh, you know, this is a bit of a mess

1308
01:00:02.699 --> 01:00:04.260
and it doesn't go anywhere or anything.

1309
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:07.320
And then I re-watched it and live tweeted it and really enjoyed

1310
01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:07.500
it.

1311
01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:09.539
Wow, it is a mess that doesn't go.

1312
01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:10.079
But it's quite good.

1313
01:00:10.139 --> 01:00:11.940
Well, I mean, like I like it.

1314
01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:14.639
I'd always thought that Russell kind of vamping.

1315
01:00:14.699 --> 01:00:19.380
You know that thing is that Xander, who says that Bob Holmes could

1316
01:00:19.380 --> 01:00:22.559
write Doctor Who in his sleep, and the reason we know that is

1317
01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:28.679
because he frequently did, and I think both Russell and Moffatt

1318
01:00:28.739 --> 01:00:32.820
can do Doctor Who in their sleep, and this may be, this is kind of

1319
01:00:32.820 --> 01:00:34.500
like Russell on empty.

1320
01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:36.719
Yeah, not giving it all his energy.

1321
01:00:36.780 --> 01:00:40.079
He wakes up and writes the last 10 minutes.

1322
01:00:40.199 --> 01:00:42.780
Well, no, but the last 10 minutes is really his wheelhouse.

1323
01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:43.500
There's no plot.

1324
01:00:43.559 --> 01:00:46.679
He doesn't have to do anything beyond just those little vineyards

1325
01:00:46.739 --> 01:00:47.340
that's true.

1326
01:00:47.820 --> 01:00:50.400
It's him on easy mode, you know.

1327
01:00:50.460 --> 01:00:51.719
So good.

1328
01:00:51.780 --> 01:00:52.320
I know.

1329
01:00:52.380 --> 01:00:55.679
I was going to say something, but now I've completely gone blank.

1330
01:00:55.739 --> 01:00:57.239
Was it about Nesmith's daughter?

1331
01:00:57.719 --> 01:00:59.219
Peter.

1332
01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:00.719
No, no, no.

1333
01:01:00.780 --> 01:01:03.960
I think all the emotional beats throughout these episodes are the

1334
01:01:03.960 --> 01:01:06.420
things that keep me going, just when I'm going to get annoyed with

1335
01:01:06.420 --> 01:01:09.900
some plot point or something I don't particularly like.

1336
01:01:09.960 --> 01:01:13.139
And yeah, I liked it.

1337
01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:18.480
I didn't love it, and I can, and he uses every trick in his book

1338
01:01:18.539 --> 01:01:22.619
that, that, and it, it hangs together.

1339
01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:25.199
It does what it has to do, I think.

1340
01:01:25.260 --> 01:01:27.840
But the choice to do, I think this is a tag.

1341
01:01:27.900 --> 01:01:33.719
The choice to do, um, like something that's not plotty at all, that

1342
01:01:33.719 --> 01:01:38.099
is just, let's spend some time with these people and give David

1343
01:01:38.099 --> 01:01:41.880
some acting moments on the way out the door, uh, and will re

1344
01:01:41.880 --> 01:01:43.619
resolve the Galafray thing.

1345
01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:44.940
And I think that's the right decision.

1346
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:49.559
I think doing a big giant overstuffed spectacle, you know.

1347
01:01:49.619 --> 01:01:53.340
Well, I just done that with stolen earth and Jameson, but also it

1348
01:01:53.340 --> 01:01:56.820
proves again, even exhausted and running on empty and having

1349
01:01:56.820 --> 01:01:57.960
nothing much left to say.

1350
01:01:58.019 --> 01:02:00.539
Russell is incapable of writing bad Doctor Who.

1351
01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:02.820
All right.

1352
01:02:02.880 --> 01:02:07.500
Okay, so it's part two, so it's time for picks of the week.