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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast broadcasting from our bedroom in a wide variety of comedy fetish wear.

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I'm a nun.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm Peter.

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I'm Todd, and I'm an 11 year old's assortment of dietary allergens for this one.

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Well, we said farewell to Russell T. Davis last episode, and now the production office has been taken over by a grumpy Scotsman with an eye for the ladies, and the new young white guy star is surprisingly different from the previous one.

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Welcome to an entirely new era of our favourite TV show.

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It's the 11th hour.

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Let's start with a precredit sequence because I think it's a little bit interesting in the sense that it's telling us what the show's going to do in a sort of interesting way.

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It wasn't originally in it, was it?

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It wasn't.

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It was written and shot quite late on.

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So originally the episode was going to start with the scene with little Amy, Amelia, praying to Santa, and then the TARDIS would crash and you'd have the credits, but this was entirely fabric. and we'd have David Tennant if he hadn't decided to bugger off. absolutely.

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And in fact, that opening shot immediately after we come out of the credits is the bottom of the garden, which absolutely establishes the kind of fairy tale thing.

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But we do say goodbye to the iconography of the Russell T. Davis era, don't we?

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We have an opening shot where we start on the moon and then head down to earth, which we've had any number of times.

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We have London.

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We have David Tennant's TARDIS console room.

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We have something almost crashing into Big Ben, but in a more comedy way.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And and we have a thing that's going to really be a chief obsession of the Moffat era, which is anxiety about our masculinity.

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And dietary requirements.

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And so Matt breathes a sigh of relief when his testicles don't sort of crash into the spy at the top of Big Ben.

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Oh, I thought you were going to say it was like people hanging out of the TARDIS, like seemingly, you know, hanging on for dear life where there's nothing to hang on to.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I can actually spot the moment 48 minutes in when they descend.

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But I think it's a lovely sort of homage to Russell.

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Like it's got all these elements, but it's got, obviously, Stephen's got his own take on things.

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As you said many times, Nathan.

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It's so obvious that Stephen loves the RTD era and all he's done and this episode is so important in saying to everybody.

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I'm doing something new, but and it is actually very new, the whole thing, but it's sort of shrouded in the RTD sort of style or there's just enough there that people aren't going to be saying, let's so totally different.

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When in fact, when you drill down, it actually is very, very different.

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And that console is blowing up the best it's ever blown up.

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There are sparks and explosions everywhere.

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You would have thought that Matt would have learned not to hold it in the next time he regenerated, but he absolutely fails to learn that lesson.

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I was talking about spitting on the console. whole mouth of debris ready to spit over big Ben.

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It is very funny and it is actually kind of nice introducing Matt in a scene where he doesn't actually say anything.

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And, you know, it is, it sort of works really well.

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His face does more than some actors in the role of down in their entire careers.

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He is entirely.

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It does actually feel like something a child with a very creative bent would have made him plasticine, doesn't it?

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In space.

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It's not quite right.

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Well, the episode's full of those kind of raggedy man versions. is like cartoonish.

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Yeah, we're back to, I don't know, the books that Moffatt grew up with, but we're definitely back to Edith Nesbit and Children of Green.

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No.

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And the great traditions of British fantasy writing, which were not YA, young adult.

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They were the children, but they expected children to be already read and interesting and educated and have ideas and will respond to creative ideas.

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I think that for me, the big thing in this one is Amelia.

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And probably get to your thoughts on who you think should have actually stayed for the season.

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But I'm very, very fond of Amelia.

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And it's one of the few times that we see a child in Doctor Who that doesn't want to kill you.

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One child in dog 2 that you don't want to kill. slash.

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Yes.

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Or that actually shows us who the doctor is, is and that what he's actually about.

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And other artists and other actors and writers and just good people say that, um, if you can't speak to a child, friend Leibowitz on the current Netflix um, series by Scorsese, pretend it's a city, and she's one of the most acerbic vitriolic old Warhol crowd critics of the modern malaise of all since the 70s.

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And she says, you can't talk to a child.

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You're not a person, you let alone an adult.

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A child speaks truth.

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That questions are interesting, and they come from the heart.

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You get very little dissembling from a child because they haven't learnt to fake it yet.

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And that's the same with this doctor.

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I'm getting why we love this doctor instantly because he speaks to the reason we love Doctor Who, the little person inside. in my red cardigan and mismatching drag.

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Yes.

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Yeah, I mean, we'll get that again next week.

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But that sequence.

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You know, the 1st sort of 10 or so minutes, I guess, is it?

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Um, is uh, 15 or 16?

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It's that long?

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It's an absolute masterstroke.

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It's so incredibly good.

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And it starts with that children's literature thing that you mentioned.

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So she's praying to Santa.

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There's a mysterious portal in her wall that leads to another world.

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She's in her nightdress, you know, like Peter Pan.

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You know, it, um, it's, and, and we have something at the bottom of the garden.

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You know, someone sort of crashes, you know, into her world from another world altogether.

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Thankfully, it's not Capaldi.

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It would not have gone the same way.

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But it's like having the faraway tree.

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Yeah, the wishing chair at the front.

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Yes, the far away tree, off the garden.

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Yeah.

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Exactly.

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If one fell swoop, it introduces what this new series is going to be about.

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And what the moth idea is going to be about, but it also introduces you to Matt in all of his kind of childlike innocence through the eyes of a child.

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So there's no cynicism there at all.

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And the child, it's Caitlin Blackwood is incredibly good.

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It's a really good performance.

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To be fair, though, I mean, she was up for the replacement in the crankies.

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She's 46.

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A tragic thyroid condition. shouldn't make fun.

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She is kind of impressed by the doctor, but not too impressed.

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Well, she's sandy toxic.

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You know, she, um, there's one moment where, oh, it's when the doctor is eating the fish custard and she just looks at him and says, funny, you know.

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Again, the critiquing of this entire episode is by a child.

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Yeah, you know, talking about all of those kind of English fairy tales and that, you know, the explicit Winnie the Pooh kind of sequence with the food.

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Yeah.

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It means that like it doesn't wear grams at home.

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And you know, Matt's doctor is a tiger.

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It's like, oh, Tigger, isn't it?

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Everyone have a moment. and then the next seekers don't like bacon. followed by followed in 3 or 4 years by E or.

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Yes, yes.

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In fact, doesn't isn't the actual dialogue, doesn't the doctor say whatever it is eating?

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Let's say it's bacon.

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I like bacon.

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Yuck, I don't like bacon. explicit quote.

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And it's so well directed.

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Like, it's funny, like beautifully quick.

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Who's the director on this one?

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Adam Smith.

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Oh, we like it.

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What else is Mr. Smith done?

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He only does the Angels 2 parter, which is every bit as good, if not better.

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That's the 1st thing they filmed, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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Because that's outstanding.

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So this is the end of the 1st production block.

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No, they actually, they did The Angels, then they did episode 2 and 3 and then they came back to do this by itself.

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So they did the sort of Peter Davis and the thing where you do the 1st story after the actors had the chance to settle into the role.

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Only it turns out that wasn't necessary at all because Matt nails it completely straight from the beginning of the Angels too.

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Oh, you know, we'll talk about this in a couple of weeks.

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But yeah, that scene on the beach with River song, his very 1st scene and he's just utterly inhabiting the doctor.

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I mean, he is unbelievably great in this.

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Sometimes maybe, you know, there might be someone who might critique it for being maybe overtly or just a little bit too comedic, but I absolutely don't care.

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I think it's really funny.

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There's that moment where he's eating bread and butter and it's on a plate.

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And then we cut to him at the open door, frisbeeing the plate out of the door and then you hear a crash and a cat yowling.

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So he's hit a cat.

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It's really just so fun, just so wonderfully fun.

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He's never liked cats since not the same.

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I love the line you're Scottish, fry something.

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Which we only get away with because Stephen wrote it, I guess.

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We love Matt in those early scenes.

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It's all part of the post regenerative them, him being kind of broad like that, but he also gives off wonderful spiky reactions.

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So when you cut to the inside of the kitchen, when Amelia's about to prepare him some food, he's looking around quite suspiciously and awkwardly at all the corners of the kitchen.

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It's just a little moment thrown in and it's so doctor-ish.

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The other thing that I really like is when he talks about sort of about the time war, about being the last of his kind.

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And the way it's done is they're eating.

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And Amelia says, you know, I don't have parents.

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I've just got an aunt.

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And he goes, I don't even have an aunt.

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And she goes, you're lucky.

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And he goes, I know.

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So that's demonstrably untrue.

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He once had a giddy aunt.

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He did.

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Yeah, he did.

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What's he got against ants?

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I think the only aunt he's ever, the only aunt he's ever met is aunt Vanessa.

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He didn't like that sports car driving Harrodan.

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He only met her when she was an action figure.

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Yeah.

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It's a scene.

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Woodhouse.

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There's a lot of there's actually a lot of PG Woodhouse comedy in this.

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I actually love that they also hit on children's food allergies, which is what I was referring to, the whole thing, which is the glycophate roundup thing.

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So many children born since the 90s can't digest and have ADHD.

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It's all traced back to that now.

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Maybe a bond.

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And that's what it.

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Yes. it's just a lot of also children are very particular.

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It's one of the few things you can control at that age is what goes into your body.

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So, you know, we have no control over our lives, but we can say what we will and won't eat.

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There's all these tips and nods to the discomfiture of being a child in an adult world.

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And sort of casting Smith as a child.

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You know, like that...

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I think he just did it himself.

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Hell he looked like a child.

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He was 26.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Look, it's really interesting, all these things you've touched on because Stephen's not interested in having mum and dad's, you know, anymore.

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And like, so Amelia doesn't have one.

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We've just got this art that we see a couple of times.

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And, you know, he talks about, you know, Amelia's name being like a fairy tale.

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Yeah, he's setting up all this stuff.

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And that entire sequence, I love the fact that Peter, you mentioned it so broad.

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There's some of it, which I think plays really well, and others, which I think a couple of those sequences with the eating.

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It reminds me a bit of early Tom Baker, like with Harry in that, where he's just a little bit not quite what he ends up being, but it's, but it's sort of refreshing at night.

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And but it's at the moment where he actually says, you know what I think.

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Must be a hell of a scary crack in your wall.

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At that point, I was not expecting that delivery, that question.

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And although I didn't get it this time when I rewatched it, the 1st I said, you're the doctor.

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At that point when he said that, I just went, 0 my god, you are now the doctor.

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Sorry, the crack in the wall.

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I'm sorry, the crack in the wall is the moment for you.

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When he's talking to her and he says, you know what I think?

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And they're having a conversation, then he says, must be a hell of a scary crack in your wall.

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And I did not expect that line or that delivery.

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And, you know, ages ago, I mentioned, like we say, Sylvester McCoy, when he reads that rule book in Paradise Towers, that's the moment he becomes the doctor here.

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That's the moment he becomes the doctor for me and that's what, 10 minutes in?

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It's an amazing delivery too, because he's got his mouth full.

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Like, he's actually sort of eating around that line.

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That's the hardest thing for an actor to do is to eat and work.

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Yeah.

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But then to go into the bedroom and just the way the use of his fingers down that crop.

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Yes, yes.

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The physicality is just incredible.

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As if it's a keyboard.

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Yes, yes.

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But it's also his relationship with young Amelia.

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I think she's phenomenal and I just fell in love with her. throughout all this. and I know, of course, I knew that we'd be getting, Karen, and I just, I remember at the time in my head, How am I going to cope without her?

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She needs to be here for the whole season.

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This is like, you know, Doctor Who and Susie or whatever for...

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John and Julian.

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I actually thought, I want the doctor with, you know, this young girl.

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So it's not practical.

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No, it's not practical and, you know, as the original production team of Doctor Who realised a grown man and a girl unrelated to him travelling around together is possibly problematic.

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How long before Matt would have been giving a jolly good smacked bottoms?

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She'd give one to him.

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She probably would.

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I think too, the idea that the doctor is someone who's childlike and can therefore sympathise with children.

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The best line is that thing where he says, you know how adults tell you that everything's going to be all right, you suspect they're probably lying.

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Well, everything's going to be all right.

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And so he's playing the adult role, but he's absolutely aware of what children feel.

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You're saying I'm on your side and I'm not going to lie to you.

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Yeah exactly right.

218
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There's such an easy poetry to the dialogue in those scenes, which, you know, we just, you know, we really do miss at the moment when we had Russell and particularly Stephen.

219
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They can just take a scene like that.

220
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And like you were saying, Todd, just turn it on a dime at the end there and go from broad laughs to something which segues beautifully into the next scene.

221
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But what Russell does is sort of naturalistic TV dialogue.

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Like it's not naturalism, but it is, you know, TV dialogue.

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Whereas as Stephen Moffatt is more poetic, I think, and more artificial and much more deliberately calculated, I think, to sort of reveal...

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Rom-com dialogue versus soap dialogue.

225
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Yeah, maybe that's it.

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Maybe that's it.

227
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Although saying soap dialogue is doing a huge disservice to Russell, but you're right, more naturalistic.

228
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Whereas Moffat, I think, writes with a little bit more poetry in his dialogue.

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Yeah, yeah.

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We get to see that big giant eyeball through the crack in the wall, which then shoots out some sort of light that seems to go straight into Matt's crotch.

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We're going to start on about packages again, I do.

232
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No, Peter, I know I'm not.

233
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The eyeball is great.

234
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And when it's cicades, you know, when it does those little movements that your eyes do, there's a little whoosh sound that comes on.

235
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Yeah, it's like a Star Trek door.

236
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It's a grade sort of fabulous, well-designed monster.

237
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And again, it's not a sort of rubber alien or anything.

238
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It still fits with that sort of strange fairy tale atmosphere that we're going for.

239
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Do you think the Atraxi with its big eye on a stalk has a bitch off in space with the axons with their big eye on a stalk?

240
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No.

241
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So the Atraxi, we know where that comes from, don't we?

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More forton.

243
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And tonight's dinner is oh, that again.

244
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He just nicked the glass bill off the tray.

245
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Sorry, Barbara has wrecked the main course.

246
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Yeah, from Kate, friend of the podcast, Kate Orman's novel, vampire science.

247
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There's a mention of Atraxi 3.

248
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Oh, and so Moffat's just quietly lifted that and dropped it in.

249
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Wow.

250
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Well, he will he will refer to the novels or at least an alien race created for the novels at the end of the season.

251
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He is aware of them.

252
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Yeah, he's totally steeped in Doctor Who and he throws in things like we do for laughs.

253
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There's a few Anderson references.

254
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I think Stephen might have grown up with Space 1979 like the rest of us.

255
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There's a couple of those too, through the season.

256
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Yeah.

257
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And then everything has to end because we've got the Cloister Bell doctor's got to get back into the to the TARDIS and then deal with the swimming pool and I like the way automatically like he's expanding what's in the TARDIS, like...

258
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But always back to Lou Jamison in the pool, in the swimming pool and trying to lose Adric in the cloister room.

259
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So I think we did eject the swimming pool at one point in the 1980s, but obviously Paradise Towers. right.

260
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Well, they ejected it because it was leaking.

261
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Maybe it leaked into the library.

262
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The swimming pools in the library.

263
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So great.

264
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It's so funny.

265
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So the doctor disappears and then comes back and it's a very moffety thing, isn't it?

266
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I mean, I guess, I guess Chris Eccleston sort of disappeared and came back 18 months later, but this is really something very different.

267
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It's interesting that straight away in this episode, Stephen does all these time jumps, like he says, I'll be back in 5 minutes and it's not 5 minutes.

268
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He gets it wrong.

269
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Obviously, in Classic Who, the doctor can't control where he's going, but Stephen takes it where...

270
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We can now control the Tartars, but Matt just can't get the timing right.

271
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Keeps breaking bits off.

272
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Well, I mean, I mean, it is on fire, I think, probably when he does that little jump forward.

273
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But even like, you know, later in the episode, there's jump forward and if you look back at Russell's time, a lot of his stuff, there's very few episodes where that even happens, it only happens in the Moffatt episodes.

274
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Well, listen, yeah, Moffatt's plundering himself with the girl on the fireplace.

275
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Yeah, whereas Russell would just land and then we'd have everything play out in real time here, Stephen, and it's part of his fairy tale, part of his, I don't know, novel approach that he's willing to do time jumps within an episode, which is something very different.

276
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And of course, our time jump, then takes us a number of years into the future.

277
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Yeah, so it's 12 years in the future, and the purpose of this is to change really the premise of Doctor Who for this season where it's about a young woman who flees her own wedding the night before the wedding with her childhood imaginary friend.

278
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And it's absolutely that.

279
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And it's very, very different from the way the relationships between doctor and companion have been conceived.

280
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It is as if Sarah Jane is standing in the unit lab peeking through the doors watching Tom quick change and nodding with surprise because it really, I mean, I think this is the 1st time we've seen a companion. watch a doctor assume his costume and pull salacious grimaces.

281
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Well, I think that something is happening here too.

282
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That, you know, you know, in aliens of London where Russell has the word fart in the dialogue and we see aliens farting, and it's something, of course, it's happened before.

283
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Bob Holmes loves the old fart joke, but it is...

284
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I'm sure there's some bubbles in Pertwe's bath in Spearhead from Space, I'm sure there's a bit going on with Channing peering molestingly through the ribbed glass at him.

285
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Channing is controlling your bath salts.

286
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So here, Moffatt introduces sex to the show in a way.

287
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Well, but because this whole season is going to be about Amy's relationship with her adulthood.

288
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And remember that that is a fraught topic in children's literature.

289
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And of course, the, you know, the most important place that happens is, of course, in the Narnia books, where Susan ages out of being able to travel to Narnia because she's an adult woman who has become interested in Sam.

290
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There's so much to unpack in C.S. Lewis.

291
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Yeah, yeah.

292
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Well, Neil Gaiman writes a short story entirely about it called The Problem of Susan.

293
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And Sandra takes that up to talk about.

294
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She was talking about the reign of terror.

295
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Yeah, well, no, so Santa for repurposes that idea to talk about why Susan...

296
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Yeah, we talk about that in the 1st season, FT. 10,000 years ago.

297
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It's a very long time.

298
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So having Amy, we've had little child Amy, who's, how old is she?

299
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10 maybe, um, and then we have Karen, who, you know, Karen Gillon playing a version of that 12 years later, and she is instantly sexualised.

300
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So the 1st shot of Karen. is a shot that moves up her body.

301
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It's like when we 1st see Perry in Planet of Fire.

302
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It moves up her legs, which is a feature of Karen that Moffatt will upsettingly keep mentioning.

303
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And she's wearing stockings with seams up the back.

304
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She's wearing sort of sexy stockings and stuff.

305
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So she's instantly sexualised and particularly when we find out she's a kissogram.

306
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That is so crap.

307
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Yeah, that is a bit crap.

308
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Who's a kissogram?

309
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Like that's something from 19 Kissograms in 1970s these days.

310
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Do you even have them?

311
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Like, I really don't like that she's a physogram.

312
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I think it's introducing my career choices.

313
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Yes, yes, Peter.

314
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Yeah, I just, yeah, it doesn't seem well with me.

315
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It just seems, I don't know.

316
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Well, she does that to she does she do anything else?

317
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I think that's something for schoolgirls to get titillated over.

318
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He is writing for young people.

319
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So as a teenager, you'd go, oh, that's so racy.

320
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But it's also sort of a transient profession, it's not something that someone aims to make career out of.

321
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So it speaks to the fact that Amy's lost.

322
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Yeah, she hasn't carved out a life of her own.

323
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Oh, she is, she is, I think, the 1st sexual companion.

324
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I don't mean sexualise.

325
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She's the 1st sexual companion in that she speaks about desires and things like that.

326
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Romana just had the wand. was just threatening.

327
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Well, exactly, previous companions were romantic companions.

328
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They would speak about relationships and love, whereas Amy speaks about sex.

329
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She has desires.

330
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Yeah, I mean, Leila had a knife, but she still talked about love.

331
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But, I mean, Rose is having sex with Mickey, right?

332
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At some point, you know.

333
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And they, don't they plan in Boomtown to get a hotel together in Karma?

334
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Go off to a hotel, that's right.

335
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Yeah.

336
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And get rubber Mickey out of a bin and...

337
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He doesn't have a head, but it's fine. won't need one.

338
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But note how disappointed the doctor is by the fact that Amy is sexual.

339
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You know, he says you were a little girl 5 minutes ago.

340
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Because he sees them as one person.

341
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Yeah, of course.

342
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

343
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And from his point of view, you know, she was a little girl, now she's kissing strangers for money or whatever.

344
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We're all looking at Peter, I don't know. can I say?

345
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Have you got it, Flaunter?

346
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They give him money.

347
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Don't get your fingers caught in the coast draw.

348
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Reminds me of that scene in prisoner cell block H where B says, you know, I could go on the game and at a totally unscripted moment that they leave in the show.

349
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Lizzy says, what would you do with all the ¢2 pieces?

350
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I think that at some point this goes horribly wrong, um, because it does become an obsession with Moffatt, who is after all a rom-com writer, sort of primarily.

351
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So things like joking apart and obviously coupling are all about sex and all about love and sex.

352
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And I think that coupling does have an effect on what he ends up writing.

353
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And this story, this season is about Amy's relationship with her childhood and her refusal to grow up, she escapes at the moment of a huge adult milestone in order to run off into fairyland with her imaginary friend.

354
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But her adulthood is sort of um cast as sort of sexual in in some important way.

355
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Which again is a bit of a younger people thing, you know, when you're younger, you think in terms of, you know, one night stands and things like that.

356
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Whereas as you get older and, you know, head into middle age, you're starting to think more in terms of lasting relationships, I think.

357
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Yeah.

358
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Yeah, but I do think that, you know, just becoming sexual is like a marker of adulthood and a pretty sort of salient marker of adulthood.

359
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And we are going to spend the next couple of years raking over that, I think, because I think sometimes it doesn't work and is a problem, but it certainly isn't yet, I think. possibly not a great match for the series.

360
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Yeah.

361
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It's interesting that you're talking about this because, you know, a lot of the younger viewers may have been 12 or 13 when the show 1st started.

362
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And now they're like 17 or 18.

363
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That's that's the point.

364
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Yep.

365
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Yeah.

366
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Yep.

367
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And there's a lovely bridge in just in the styling of this story to take up from 2005 to where we are now.

368
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But I do agree with you.

369
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I think, Vampires of Venice, which I'll talk about in many weeks.

370
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I think that's the ultimate rom-com sexual sort of thing, and I don't think it works, the Amy Rory relationship in that.

371
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It's not a problem up from here. to that point because Rory's really not in it except that this episode.

372
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Yeah.

373
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But we'll talk about that.

374
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We haven't gotten we get to it.

375
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But Rory makes this season work for me and makes this episode work for me.

376
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In the way that older Amy actually doesn't, in this one.

377
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And if we're talking about the sexualising and the development of character and emotionality, I didn't want to cut you off, Todd, because I want to hear what you're saying, but I'm just sort of throwing this in to see what your reaction to this is, because for me, all the emotional intelligence is an 11 year old Amy.

378
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And yes, we know she's been in the psychiatrists for 6 or 7 years, but I wonder if that's aligned to just make up for the fact that we have a very removed and I would say, look, I don't want to get into how she acts yet, but they're very different people.

379
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Little Amy and Big Amy.

380
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Whereas the bridge is Rory because Rory's always Rory.

381
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I have mentioned that I have not liked.

382
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I'm not in love with Amy and I was certainly not, didn't think much of Karen as an actress.

383
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I've mentioned this many times.

384
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So coming back to this season, coming back to this episode in particular.

385
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I was really intrigued to see what I thought of the character versus the actress.

386
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And over the course of the last, sorry, the next 5 episodes, I really like Karen, the actress, more and more.

387
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:24.240
But the Martha problem I had many moons ago where I said it was just Martha Blankface because it was all based on her last episode, which of course I've scrubbed that.

388
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Here, I find that Karen's performance in those 1st sequences when she's in the policeman's outfit when she's in with prisoner 0 when they're walking up the path.

389
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She's like that emoji, just like that emoji with just the, the, the eyes, the bug eyes.

390
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It's just the same face.

391
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I just don't see enough differentiation in her performance at that point.

392
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And that's what I had a problem with, and that's what stuck in my mind.

393
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But it's really interesting when I went back because I was really watching to see if she was doing anything.

394
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And there's subtle, there is subtle things happening in her face.

395
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:05.579
And I think in this episode there's scenes where she's not, she's too subtle.

396
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The scenes where she's too subtle, and then there's other scenes where, well, I'm going to go to Elizabeth Sladen, where she gets to that point where it's heightened, and it works really well.

397
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And I actually think like in the beast below, and in victory of the Daleks, she's actually nailing it.

398
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I love her in the beast below.

399
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Absolutely.

400
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In this, I don't know whether it's a direction or perhaps because in the 1st filming block they've got River Song as somebody to bounce off here.

401
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It just her and Matt.

402
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There are sequences that I do struggle with.

403
00:30:38.460 --> 00:30:44.700
But I can then see in certain parts when she's with Arthur and that there's actually a lot more going on.

404
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So I'm actually liking her performance a lot more.

405
00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:49.319
Amy.

406
00:30:49.380 --> 00:31:06.599
Well, Amy is a sort of Moffat woman and it's fairly clear that Stephen Moffat likes bossy, competent women who are a bit dismissive of other people's feelings in uniform.

407
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Well, in uniform, dressed as nuns.

408
00:31:09.059 --> 00:31:17.819
And, and, you know, Linda Day from Press Gang is obviously in some senses what he's going for with Amy.

409
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And Amy is a kind of force of nature.

410
00:31:20.460 --> 00:31:30.119
There's that wonderful scene where she slams Cully's tie in his car door and tells him to go off and, you know, get a coffee or something.

411
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And it's clear that everyone is slightly scared of her.

412
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Everyone defers to her.

413
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Oh yes, Amy.

414
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Yeah, yeah.

415
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And I actually have to say that I quite like that.

416
00:31:41.339 --> 00:31:44.759
But there are one or 2 scenes where she's put on the back foot.

417
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Like when she breaks into Annette Crosby's house and has to kind of explain why she dresses, you know, as a nurse and a nun and all of that sort of thing and she's sort of slightly embarrassed.

418
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So I think she does comedy really well.

419
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And I think that these 3 who, you know, will bed down as the as the companions for the 2nd half of series 5 and all of series 6 are superb.

420
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I think they love one another.

421
00:32:13.619 --> 00:32:18.299
You know, like all 3 actors clearly got on really well.

422
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:22.319
I think Matt and Arthur went to drama school together or something.

423
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:25.319
And they're all the same age.

424
00:32:25.380 --> 00:32:29.579
It's like 3 attractive young people and they just seem to be having a blast.

425
00:32:29.579 --> 00:32:34.920
And I actually really like this TARDIS team quite a lot.

426
00:32:34.980 --> 00:32:39.480
Yeah, I don't think Rory makes a huge impression in this episode.

427
00:32:39.660 --> 00:32:41.940
I think he's quite forgettable.

428
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:50.220
He comes into his own later on, but he's really the 3rd wheel, um, and he doesn't have any scenes which um, focus you on him.

429
00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:52.319
Well, there's the scene with Dr. Ramsden.

430
00:32:52.380 --> 00:32:53.940
Yeah, I think he's a bit lost in that.

431
00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:59.579
I find him spectacular in the town square when we're doing the darting about.

432
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:05.579
I find he's as a reactive actor, he's the glue between the 2 of them that makes it really work for me.

433
00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:21.720
With Todd on this, I find some of, and it's nothing against Karen as such, but stylistically, I find that she's all over the park with her tie caught in the steering column, and it doesn't gel for me in a way that the young less playing, who did we say?

434
00:33:21.779 --> 00:33:22.740
Standy Toxic?

435
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:23.700
Caitlin Blackwood.

436
00:33:23.700 --> 00:33:25.920
Caitlin Blackwood, maybe it's just innocence or...

437
00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:26.640
Jeanette Cranky.

438
00:33:26.700 --> 00:33:27.779
Jeanette Cranky.

439
00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:30.299
Absolutely nails every moment for me.

440
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:31.680
Okay, she doesn't have to do as much.

441
00:33:31.740 --> 00:33:37.980
But Rory, I just thought, oh, look at all the emotional intelligence and the humour in that man.

442
00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:39.900
He's a really good actor.

443
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:45.599
Maybe acting is just all the innate stuff that a camera reveals explicitly.

444
00:33:45.660 --> 00:33:50.880
Well, I mean, he is just doing a comedy performance here and it's completely reactive.

445
00:33:50.940 --> 00:33:55.859
His performance will open up, but he's he's flustered and stuff with Dr. Ramsden.

446
00:33:55.920 --> 00:34:00.720
There's that sort of wonderful scene where he yells at the doctor for bringing the aliens back.

447
00:34:01.019 --> 00:34:08.099
But it is it is all just sort of nervous guy, you know, comedy.

448
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:12.900
But I think it's vampires of Venice where he really properly lands.

449
00:34:13.019 --> 00:34:14.039
I would agree.

450
00:34:14.099 --> 00:34:18.719
I don't actually think I'm struggling not to criticise Arthur because I think Arthur's fine.

451
00:34:18.780 --> 00:34:26.519
And I think Rory will turn out to be fine, but I think we have a slight Mickey problem at the start in that he doesn't have a very expressive face and he gets lost in the mix a bit.

452
00:34:26.579 --> 00:34:27.420
Yeah okay.

453
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:27.900
Oh, really?

454
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:28.440
Yeah.

455
00:34:28.500 --> 00:34:34.199
I would disagree, and I would say that I love all the subtle stuff that he does in this episode.

456
00:34:34.260 --> 00:34:37.500
He's not given a lot because it's not his focus.

457
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:45.780
The character is written to be that Mickey character and I think it actually does a disservice to Amy.

458
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:47.639
It's this rom-com thing that I don't like.

459
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:55.139
And I just think all of his little scenes he's seen with what's her name, Dr. Ramsden or Zainab from EastEnders.

460
00:34:55.139 --> 00:34:55.980
Fabulous.

461
00:34:56.039 --> 00:34:56.880
She is wonderful.

462
00:34:56.940 --> 00:35:01.139
But just his little subtle stuff like, oh, it's a raggedy doctor and he's so like, you know, oh.

463
00:35:01.139 --> 00:35:10.139
No, just, again, that sort of weird thing, you know, like he'd been forced by Amy to dress up as the raggedy doctor when he was a child.

464
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:12.780
Again, you know, Amy is just bossing everyone around.

465
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:21.300
I think too, what's really super interesting is the introduction of Jeff, who the doctor describes as not him, the good looking one.

466
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:22.139
Remember that?

467
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:31.440
And so when Amy leaves, like when we see in that final shot, her wedding dress, we don't actually know who she's getting married to at that point.

468
00:35:31.500 --> 00:35:32.519
That's right.

469
00:35:32.579 --> 00:35:38.699
And this could actually be part of my problem with Rory in this episode in that I think Moffatt's intentionally misdirecting us.

470
00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:48.599
So, again, Rory gets lost in the mix a little bit because your attention that should be on him is divided, as you question, what's going to happen in the future?

471
00:35:48.659 --> 00:35:50.760
It's funny too, isn't it?

472
00:35:50.820 --> 00:35:53.880
Because she denies that he's her boyfriend.

473
00:35:53.940 --> 00:35:55.980
He says he corrects it, doesn't he?

474
00:35:55.980 --> 00:35:58.139
and says boyfriend when she says friend.

475
00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:11.219
He does, and I'd never noticed that before, and I think it might be an artefact of there being a two-year gap between when that happens and when the doctor comes back and she's going to marry him at that stage, they might only just be sort of dating.

476
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:14.579
Except that next week.

477
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:17.579
She still doesn't know whether she'll end up marrying him.

478
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:18.840
Like, quite explicitly.

479
00:36:18.900 --> 00:36:19.619
She wonders.

480
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:23.880
Remember the voting machine is about to save her marital status in it.

481
00:36:23.940 --> 00:36:24.659
It doesn't.

482
00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:25.320
Yeah, yeah.

483
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:27.840
So she is this is part of her arc.

484
00:36:27.900 --> 00:36:33.599
She's embarrassed to admit that she's in a relationship with Rory to the doctor.

485
00:36:33.900 --> 00:36:46.440
And that relationship just develops to be absolutely the opposite of that, where by the end of the season, she will prioritise Rory over the doctor absolutely every time.

486
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:49.619
And it flips in the middle of the season.

487
00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:51.599
I think it's terrific.

488
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:06.960
I'd love to thank you brought up Jeff.

489
00:37:07.019 --> 00:37:10.079
Because he was in Merlin.

490
00:37:10.139 --> 00:37:11.460
He was one of the knights in Merlin.

491
00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:12.719
So I knew him from that.

492
00:37:12.780 --> 00:37:20.340
So I thought, oh, and I think he went on to do black sales and he got crispified in Game of Thrones after.

493
00:37:20.460 --> 00:37:21.300
Yeah, Melric Academy.

494
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:28.860
But he's actually also quite sexualised in terms of like, Jeff, get a girlfriend and delete your internet history.

495
00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:31.800
In fact, this is the 1st time the doctor's ever seen porn.

496
00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:35.219
Well, on screen anyway.

497
00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:39.059
Wasn't there something where Perchwee was in some sort of thing forced to watch something?

498
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:40.619
Yeah, that might have been porn.

499
00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:43.920
And there might have been porn in Space Museum among all those walruses.

500
00:37:44.940 --> 00:37:47.940
How did the 1st doctor break his monitor?

501
00:37:48.780 --> 00:37:51.719
Susan came in threw something at the screen.

502
00:37:51.780 --> 00:37:54.719
But it's quite explicit, like...

503
00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:56.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no. a phrisexual.

504
00:37:56.699 --> 00:37:57.420
Yeah, yeah.

505
00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:01.559
Again, it's Moffat doing sex comedy, which is his absolute wheelhouse.

506
00:38:01.619 --> 00:38:08.039
And I, you know, it's not that I think it's inappropriate for children because that sort of thing just sales over kids' heads.

507
00:38:08.099 --> 00:38:09.599
It doesn't matter, you know?

508
00:38:09.659 --> 00:38:12.179
But eventually I think it will become a problem.

509
00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:22.440
I just think it's very convenient that we just happen to break into Annette Crosby's house, and we love her from one foot in the grave, and we already had her husband back in the RU, my mummy episode, so we both own them.

510
00:38:22.500 --> 00:38:28.440
But it's just interesting how like these 2 characters that Amy happens to know and other people in the village like we never see again.

511
00:38:28.500 --> 00:38:32.159
Like again, Stephen's not interested in going down that track.

512
00:38:32.219 --> 00:38:38.159
So the world building is just basically the doctor, Amy, and eventually, of course, Rory and River.

513
00:38:38.219 --> 00:38:39.599
That's what is interesting.

514
00:38:39.659 --> 00:38:42.000
But this episode.

515
00:38:42.059 --> 00:38:44.760
We've still got like Russell.

516
00:38:44.820 --> 00:38:49.860
We've still got people she knows, the boyfriend, a potential boyfriend.

517
00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:51.000
There's still a world there.

518
00:38:51.059 --> 00:38:51.480
Yeah.

519
00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:56.519
So as I said earlier, like there's wrappings of Russell, but it's really not going there.

520
00:38:56.579 --> 00:39:01.079
We'll go back to the house again, weren't we, at the end of the at the end of the season.

521
00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:05.400
And we will see Caitlin Blackwood again at the end of the season.

522
00:39:05.460 --> 00:39:13.260
I heard someone online complaining about throwing away Annette Crosby and Olivia Coleman on very small roles.

523
00:39:13.260 --> 00:39:15.599
What about Cully from the Dominators?

524
00:39:15.659 --> 00:39:18.119
And Cully from the Dominators, obviously.

525
00:39:18.179 --> 00:39:19.500
Yeah, what was that all about?

526
00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:23.639
But hang on, you cast good people in those roles and that's what lifts them.

527
00:39:23.699 --> 00:39:25.260
That's what makes them.

528
00:39:25.260 --> 00:39:26.760
That's what those roles are for.

529
00:39:26.820 --> 00:39:27.059
Yeah.

530
00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:28.440
It's overcasting.

531
00:39:28.500 --> 00:39:29.639
I think it's a great thing.

532
00:39:29.699 --> 00:39:30.480
Exactly.

533
00:39:30.539 --> 00:39:35.099
It's just putting the little moments, the little highlights of jewellery in the tiara.

534
00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:36.960
I think so too.

535
00:39:37.019 --> 00:39:43.320
I think, you know, complaining that they've cast too good an actor in this role is seems like a very strange thing to be doing.

536
00:39:43.380 --> 00:40:00.480
When we had the lockdown tweet along of the 11th hour, which Stephen Moffatt joined in on, and so did Matt and Karen, and Arthur, I think, um, Stephen Moffatt said, oh, here's Olivia Coleman in what I like to think of as her breakout role.

537
00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:09.239
It's funny you say that because because I knew who she was, like, because you see her early in the episode, like in one of the beds.

538
00:40:09.300 --> 00:40:12.539
And I said, oh, I know who that is, but I didn't really know her.

539
00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:13.260
Yeah.

540
00:40:13.260 --> 00:40:14.760
Like we know, know her now.

541
00:40:14.820 --> 00:40:23.159
And then when she comes back later with her girls and gets to deliver all that biting dialogue to the doctor, she's just delicious.

542
00:40:23.219 --> 00:40:28.920
Well, I mean, it's the doctor's 1st confrontation with a villain and the villain is played by Olivia Coleman.

543
00:40:28.980 --> 00:40:32.519
I think it's superb and she is really, really, really good.

544
00:40:32.579 --> 00:40:34.380
She's really good in it.

545
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:36.840
Were they thinking of her as the doctor?

546
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:38.699
How could they not?

547
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:40.320
Yeah, how could they not?

548
00:40:40.380 --> 00:40:55.019
Well, I have to think because she had that starring role in Broadchurch that Chris Chibnall must have had her at the top of the list, but we know he did, in fact, that's been revealed for Gymnal series.

549
00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:56.159
But what about now?

550
00:40:56.219 --> 00:40:57.960
What about back for season?

551
00:40:58.019 --> 00:41:01.500
I don't think Stephen ever seriously entertained casting a female doctor.

552
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:02.760
But she had to have been in the mix.

553
00:41:02.820 --> 00:41:04.260
Like, just passion.

554
00:41:04.260 --> 00:41:06.300
I virtue of being there and so good.

555
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:07.199
Yeah, yeah.

556
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:10.199
And I think she'd already done beautiful people, hadn't she?

557
00:41:10.260 --> 00:41:11.219
Yes, and peep show.

558
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:14.039
Oh yeah, of course. show.

559
00:41:14.099 --> 00:41:16.199
I think British.

560
00:41:16.260 --> 00:41:21.059
The British would know her much better than like Australians at this point in time.

561
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:23.099
I mean, we watch a lot of British TV.

562
00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:24.119
So I knew who she was.

563
00:41:24.179 --> 00:41:24.840
Yeah.

564
00:41:24.900 --> 00:41:37.079
Well, she actually says in the David Tennant podcast, interview that she does, that her real breakout role is Broadchurch, and that's the moment where it becomes difficult for her to go out in public without being recognised and stuff.

565
00:41:37.139 --> 00:41:42.780
I mean, people knew her from Peep show, but she became really quite famous with Broadchurch.

566
00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:59.099
Can we talk about the doctor?

567
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:00.239
Because...

568
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:01.139
Absolutely not.

569
00:42:02.340 --> 00:42:29.460
Because in rows, and then again, in Christmas invasion, the 2 previous stories that introduce a new doctor, we hold off on introducing the doctor, and we actually create a world or go back to a sort of established world and we're forced to wait to see what the doctor's going to be like, and people talk about the doctor, and then he turns up.

570
00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:31.199
And you want him to be there.

571
00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:33.659
Yeah, at that and you have that longing.

572
00:42:33.780 --> 00:42:37.559
And here, well, we've got a whole new team.

573
00:42:37.619 --> 00:42:39.599
You've got to put in front of the centre.

574
00:42:39.659 --> 00:42:48.780
Yeah, you've got no one else to sort of hold onto, but I think it is also just a deliberate decision that Matt is in nearly every scene.

575
00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:50.519
And it's quite surprising.

576
00:42:50.579 --> 00:42:59.400
It's when Amy hits him in the face with a cricket bat and then we cut to the hospital and that's the 1st scene at that point that doesn't have the doctor in it.

577
00:42:59.460 --> 00:43:04.800
And he is absolutely just compelling to watch.

578
00:43:04.860 --> 00:43:07.019
Breath of fresh air.

579
00:43:07.139 --> 00:43:12.420
Sorry to roll up my cliches, but I just adore him.

580
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:25.440
He just has this frantic energy and the ability to deliver lines in a way that you never thought possible that works, and I don't know how many takes he does of things or anything like that, but just the whole story.

581
00:43:25.500 --> 00:43:35.280
I just adore watching what he's doing, as well as Murray Gold's little doctorary theme coming in as it goes along, you know?

582
00:43:35.340 --> 00:43:40.019
And you've got the Geronimo and you've got that who's the man that's never going to happen again.

583
00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:43.139
But all those things just make it.

584
00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:46.619
We have moments back to.

585
00:43:46.679 --> 00:44:04.619
Maybe it's the outsider's view, although I wouldn't hardly call Stephen Moffat an outsider, but I'm getting real flashes of the potential of Paul McGann and how excited we were in that story by McGann's performance in the same way than as when we were really little with Tom's surprises.

586
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:09.300
And I would say if we were older with Pat Troughton's surprising moments.

587
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:10.739
It's what makes the doctor the doctor.

588
00:44:10.860 --> 00:44:13.500
But it's also the way that Mothat will take the program.

589
00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:15.480
In Moffat situation of the program.

590
00:44:15.539 --> 00:44:17.039
The doctor is at the centre of it.

591
00:44:17.099 --> 00:44:19.860
Things revolve around the doctor.

592
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:30.119
Stories are created about the doctor and about people know him and the universe is aware of him, and you get stories about his background, which you haven't had in the past.

593
00:44:30.179 --> 00:44:34.559
So Moffa is interested in the doctor as a character rather than a catalyst.

594
00:44:34.619 --> 00:44:42.000
That's really interesting you say, like, the universe knows him because Olivia Coleman's character says, time for what?

595
00:44:42.059 --> 00:44:42.780
Time Lord.

596
00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:43.679
Yeah, right?

597
00:44:43.739 --> 00:44:47.639
And then, yeah, it's just like he is known.

598
00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:58.019
And then, of course, the Atraxi later in his showdown. can bring up all these images of him and all the monsters that he's defended the earth from, like he is known.

599
00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:07.619
I think that what Moffatt is interested in is Doctor Who as a type of story.

600
00:45:07.739 --> 00:45:36.780
And even though the universe that Doctor Who is set in doesn't revolve around the doctor, you know, up to now, like the doctor's just a person in that universe travelling around and interacting with people, a Doctor Who story does centre on the doctor because he's the main character and he's the person who will resolve it, and because Moffat isn't creating a coherent universe for these stories to take place in.

601
00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:40.320
I mean, he blows up the universe at the end of episode 12.

602
00:45:40.619 --> 00:45:43.139
He's not creating a universe.

603
00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:48.599
He's telling a type of story and that type of story has to centre on the doctor.

604
00:45:48.659 --> 00:46:04.980
And, you know, that's been how the program works since sometime in the middle of the Hartnell era where the doctor stops being the crazy old man who gets them into trouble and starts being the hero, you know, the main character in the show.

605
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:23.699
And so the doctor does become centred and it does become about questions about the doctor's identity and when there are character arcs, they're not about bad will for Mr. Saxon or things like that, they're all about the doctor and who the doctor is and maybe even what the doctor's relationship with the companion is.

606
00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:25.500
What his name is, et cetera.

607
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:26.280
Yeah, yeah.

608
00:46:26.340 --> 00:46:41.519
But I, I mean, I don't mind that, but you can see Moffatt having anxieties about it himself because, you know, the doctor tries to sort of wipe himself out of history at the end of series 6.

609
00:46:41.579 --> 00:46:41.940
Yeah.

610
00:46:41.940 --> 00:46:42.420
Yeah.

611
00:46:43.139 --> 00:46:46.139
Can we talk about that hero moment at the end?

612
00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:48.000
Where he calls them back.

613
00:46:48.059 --> 00:46:48.960
Yeah.

614
00:46:49.019 --> 00:46:49.619
Yeah.

615
00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:51.059
Enough of the raggedy.

616
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:56.940
And he steps through the past images of the doctor and he's got the bow tie.

617
00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:00.239
Well, in fact, we don't see the bow tie.

618
00:47:00.300 --> 00:47:03.360
The bow tie is actually really, really clever, right?

619
00:47:03.420 --> 00:47:13.320
So he steals all those clothes just like the 3rd doctor and the 8th doctor had before him in a hospital stealing clothes from people's lockers.

620
00:47:13.380 --> 00:47:17.460
Yeah, another Doctor Who introduction story that owes a debt to spearhead from space.

621
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:18.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

622
00:47:18.599 --> 00:47:20.159
I'd add terror of the autons to that.

623
00:47:20.219 --> 00:47:21.900
I'd add Smith and Jones.

624
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:23.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

625
00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:26.760
And so he's basically dressed, right?

626
00:47:26.820 --> 00:47:34.320
But he has like these crappy nylon ties around his neck, like a collection of these sort of terrible ties.

627
00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:36.840
And he's trying them on when he gets onto the roof.

628
00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:49.800
And it's only, we see him tie, but we don't see the tie until he steps through that ball, that projection ball showing all the previous doctors.

629
00:47:49.860 --> 00:47:51.780
And we can see that he ties it.

630
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:56.280
He's clearly settled on a tie, but that's the moment that he becomes a doctor.

631
00:47:56.340 --> 00:48:05.280
And it's really, really fun, that the bow tie, which is not cool, is absolutely emblematic of the doctor.

632
00:48:05.340 --> 00:48:07.559
He becomes the doctor when he puts the bow tie on.

633
00:48:07.619 --> 00:48:13.920
He stops being the doctor when he drops the bow tie to the floor in time of the doctor.

634
00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:16.139
Poetry isn't it?

635
00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:16.739
It's wonderful.

636
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:18.780
I mean that scene is absolutely incredible.

637
00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:21.480
And imagine Tennant doing that scene.

638
00:48:21.539 --> 00:48:26.039
All the teeth acting and showboating and stuff that would have gone into that sort of speech.

639
00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:28.440
Oh, Sean David Tennis.

640
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:30.539
Look, I mean, he's wonderful in all sorts of ways.

641
00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:33.000
But the way that Matt underplays it.

642
00:48:33.059 --> 00:48:46.139
The way that he underplays it, and how threatening he seems without shouting, when he says there's a tightness around his mouth, when he says, I'm the doctor, basically run.

643
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:53.219
And he, it's really, really, really quite threatening. sort of like mafia, you know, if you know what's good for you.

644
00:48:53.340 --> 00:48:54.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

645
00:48:54.900 --> 00:48:56.219
It's incredible, I think.

646
00:48:56.280 --> 00:48:58.860
Really, really quite extraordinary.

647
00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:10.260
And it's a scene that is just absolutely the doctor's Aristea, his hero moment where he does what River Song said that he was capable of doing in silence of the library.

648
00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:15.360
And you know, Moffat would have been delighted to get in some flashbacks there of the occasional sea devil.

649
00:49:15.420 --> 00:49:16.260
Yeah, yeah.

650
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:19.860
But that's also his agenda too, is like in that sequence.

651
00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:33.780
Suddenly you were getting more flashes of classic who, which he's going to keep on introducing as a sort of a maybe a buildup to a long-term plan, the 50th or whatever, or you can look at it like the 80s where the show sort of looked in upon itself.

652
00:49:33.900 --> 00:49:45.599
But something that Russell actively tried to avoid a lot of the time, less so towards the end of his time, but it's suddenly here in flashbacks and it will, it'll keep on popping up.

653
00:49:45.659 --> 00:49:51.900
Yeah, I mean, Moffatt is the showrunner that heals the rift between classic and new series.

654
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:53.099
Agreed.

655
00:49:53.219 --> 00:49:57.840
And you know, it's a shame because as much as I love Matt's outfit, it comes through.

656
00:49:57.900 --> 00:50:07.079
He does look very good in David's raggedy costume, and I think there is a precedent for doctors looking good in their predecessors outfits. already?

657
00:50:07.139 --> 00:50:08.340
Yeah, absolutely.

658
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:10.500
Jodie looks wonderful in this outfit.

659
00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:14.219
Silve looks much better in Colin's outfit than Colin does.

660
00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:15.239
Yeah.

661
00:50:15.300 --> 00:50:23.159
But I love I love it when, like, Prisoner Zero turns into the doctor and doctor going, oh, he's that. that's a bit rubbish.

662
00:50:23.219 --> 00:50:24.480
Is that meant to be?

663
00:50:24.659 --> 00:50:28.800
That's another brilliant moment because it's suddenly in the doctrine, you kind of think what?

664
00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:42.119
And then when Caitlin steps out from behind, that bit of direction and again, how evil she is as as prisoners error is just another wonderful moment in this direction-wise acting wise and yeah.

665
00:50:42.179 --> 00:50:44.340
See, one thing about that scene.

666
00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:49.380
And one thing that we haven't touched on in his portrayal of the doctor is that the doctor is suddenly clever.

667
00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:50.760
He's suddenly Sherlock Holmes.

668
00:50:50.820 --> 00:50:53.400
And so he does these deductions.

669
00:50:53.460 --> 00:51:05.820
So he deduces that Rory knows something important because he's not looking at the sun, he's looking at something else, and he's able to sort of deduce all kinds of things here.

670
00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:12.179
And so you get this face off where the doctor outwits prisoner Zero by being incredibly clever.

671
00:51:12.239 --> 00:51:20.519
And then prisoner 0 outwits the doctor by, and, and you know, like the doctor's scheme is super complicated.

672
00:51:20.579 --> 00:51:25.739
There's going to be zeros on every screen, the attracti will trace it to the phone.

673
00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:34.559
They'll see the photos of the various coma patients on the phone, so they'll be able to recognise them as prisoner zero.

674
00:51:34.619 --> 00:51:42.780
It's actually quite complicated And then prisoner Zero thwarts that by appearing as Caitlin holding hands with the doctor.

675
00:51:42.780 --> 00:51:55.559
And then the doctor thwarts prisoner Zero again by remembering that Amy saw prisoner Zero in its original form and getting Amy's subconscious to make prisoner Zero look like himself again.

676
00:51:56.280 --> 00:51:58.260
What's he hanging from?

677
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:01.139
Yes, I always wondered the ceiling tiles.

678
00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:04.500
There's very thin grip. like a baby Jagrafest.

679
00:52:07.619 --> 00:52:08.820
That means we don't have to do legs.

680
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:10.440
They're very hard in CG.

681
00:52:10.500 --> 00:52:14.699
Yeah, this was a lot plotier than I remembered it being.

682
00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:18.059
It's quite, it gets a little bit convoluted, I think, in the details.

683
00:52:18.119 --> 00:52:19.019
And I mean, that's fine.

684
00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:21.179
It's not important at all.

685
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:22.860
But in a way, the story is very simple.

686
00:52:22.980 --> 00:52:25.920
So the doctor meets Amy as a child.

687
00:52:25.980 --> 00:52:30.780
Then we establish what the threat is posed by the attraction prisoner zero.

688
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:38.940
And then, you know, the doctor goes and sees Jeff, they go to the hospital, they have that chat, and we resolve the problem.

689
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:43.260
As far as, you know, like a plot beats go, it's fairly simple.

690
00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:46.079
But story simple, plotting's not simple.

691
00:52:46.139 --> 00:52:52.500
Yeah, and I think, I think too, that one of the things that Moffat wants to do is to make the doctor clever again.

692
00:52:52.559 --> 00:53:01.980
That the, you know, tenants doctor is clever, but even when Moffat's writing the previous doctors, writing for Chris and David.

693
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:04.860
He makes the doctor clever.

694
00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:11.940
He gives the doctor puzzles to solve and writes him as clever in the way that he solves them.

695
00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:13.980
And that's that is a feature.

696
00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:17.639
You know, like David Tennant's doctor tells us he's clever, remember?

697
00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:20.820
But I don't recall.

698
00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:21.659
When did he do that?

699
00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:24.539
He literally does it in midnight.

700
00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:30.840
But the doctor that Moffatt writes is actually clever and we see him solving things.

701
00:53:30.900 --> 00:53:37.199
And that works with Smith's delivery as well, because Smith is visibly thinking as well.

702
00:53:37.260 --> 00:53:46.139
You know, like you can see the way that he delivers the way that he pauses when he's speaking. you know, as if he's thinking of the next word to say.

703
00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:49.800
Sometimes, you know, you know, it's just a torrent of words with David.

704
00:53:49.860 --> 00:53:53.940
But there's a real sort of deliberateness to the way that Smith's doctor speaks.

705
00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:56.280
And it makes him seem clever.

706
00:53:56.340 --> 00:53:57.360
And I love that.

707
00:53:57.420 --> 00:54:03.000
That's why I love the doctor, you know, because the doctor's clever, he outwits his enemies.

708
00:54:03.059 --> 00:54:07.440
There's a sense, though, I think that Moffat is challenging himself, because of course Moffat's an extremely clever man.

709
00:54:07.500 --> 00:54:07.980
Yeah.

710
00:54:07.980 --> 00:54:11.099
And so he's setting himself challenges in the rising.

711
00:54:11.159 --> 00:54:13.619
And as ever, the doctor is an analogue for the ricer.

712
00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:23.099
And, you know, it's why he tells stories out of narrative order because telling narrative order would be too simple and not interesting enough for him.

713
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:30.420
But I think it's really interesting, like you said, how simple it is, like going from this location to that.

714
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:31.980
Like, you can look at it at that level.

715
00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:44.219
But you come back to Stephen's stories, and then you find all these multi-layers and all this complication that is actually going on underneath, and I think that's what makes it so brilliant.

716
00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:46.500
And how I enjoy.

717
00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:52.199
A lot of it, sometimes I get a bit tired of things at certain points in ahead.

718
00:54:52.260 --> 00:54:56.400
But here it's refreshing and it's so appropriate.

719
00:54:56.460 --> 00:55:05.760
The other thing is like, with these story arcs that Russell's doing, as opposed to, um, Steven.

720
00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:11.159
Like, again, we've got, obviously, is Amy's running away from her wedding.

721
00:55:11.219 --> 00:55:15.119
But it's explicitly stated in the dialogue, the universe is cracked.

722
00:55:15.179 --> 00:55:18.900
We've actually got the crack, the Pandorica will open silence before.

723
00:55:18.960 --> 00:55:20.340
All these things were repeated.

724
00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:22.980
The doctor is aware of all this episode one.

725
00:55:23.099 --> 00:55:24.300
Yeah, not...

726
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:25.800
I'm on an adventure.

727
00:55:25.860 --> 00:55:33.300
We hear the words Harold Saxon at some point, totally aware, and then it just sort of all happens at the end of the season. seems very different.

728
00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:35.820
He sets up the whole season arc is there.

729
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:38.579
We're going to hook people in episode one and what's this, what's this?

730
00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:41.760
I need to find it out for the entire year.

731
00:55:41.820 --> 00:55:43.019
Yeah, yeah.

732
00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:45.659
And just putting the icing on the cake as well.

733
00:55:45.719 --> 00:55:50.159
If we ever had an episode title, which is that clever and means that many things.

734
00:55:50.219 --> 00:55:56.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because he's only got 20 minutes to save the world, so he's saving it at the 11th hour.

735
00:55:56.340 --> 00:56:00.420
It's why I'll always be disappointed that twice upon a time wasn't called 12th night.

736
00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:01.320
Yeah.

737
00:56:01.380 --> 00:56:02.159
Oh.

738
00:56:02.219 --> 00:56:04.559
That would have been brilliant.

739
00:56:04.619 --> 00:56:04.920
Yeah.

740
00:56:04.980 --> 00:56:06.179
Particularly around Christmas, right?

741
00:56:16.860 --> 00:56:21.059
The doctor runs back to the Tartars, goes into it.

742
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:21.900
We don't get to see it.

743
00:56:22.860 --> 00:56:28.980
Again, harking back, perhaps, to Rose, where she goes in and then out and we don't get to see it.

744
00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:32.280
And then we have another time jump.

745
00:56:32.579 --> 00:56:45.360
Yeah, so it's 2 years that she waits and we'll get to the point in power of 3 where Amy says it's 10 years since the doctor came back to Ledworth in the 11th hour.

746
00:56:45.420 --> 00:56:52.139
And so these time jumps are going to be characteristic of their relationship, but we don't get to see that because it's the story of the doctor.

747
00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:53.699
So we follow him all the time.

748
00:56:53.940 --> 00:56:56.760
And then we get to go in to the Tartars.

749
00:56:56.820 --> 00:56:58.019
What do we think of the sand?

750
00:56:58.139 --> 00:56:59.880
Yeah, orange.

751
00:56:59.940 --> 00:57:00.480
Yeah.

752
00:57:00.539 --> 00:57:05.880
I think I like the reveal, and it's not done quite the same way as it's done in other times.

753
00:57:05.940 --> 00:57:21.119
Like we don't get to see the whole of the console room until Matt has crossed that massive distance between the door and the console and we keep a close-up on Amy's face and so we see the background.

754
00:57:21.179 --> 00:57:29.340
We see Amy's big emoji eyes there and and then we get to see the doctor in the console uh room.

755
00:57:29.460 --> 00:57:32.519
I'm not a massive fan.

756
00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:34.559
In hindsight.

757
00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:36.719
I'm not a massive fan.

758
00:57:36.840 --> 00:57:42.360
I think at the time I was excited because it was so different and there was obviously stairs going up and all sorts of things happening.

759
00:57:42.420 --> 00:57:48.599
Um, and there was nods sort of back to perhaps the telemovie console with things.

760
00:57:48.659 --> 00:57:50.039
It's very busy.

761
00:57:50.099 --> 00:57:51.900
I do like the glass floor.

762
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:58.920
Yeah, I like the glass floor on the hammock and the stuff underneath, you know, like it ends up being a good place to shoot in, I think.

763
00:57:58.980 --> 00:58:03.239
And the television, I love his little scanner, television pull down scanner.

764
00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:04.380
Do you love it?

765
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:06.179
I'm not fan of the console itself.

766
00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:10.860
I think it sort of goes off in weird directions with taps and things like that.

767
00:58:10.860 --> 00:58:11.699
It's ridiculous.

768
00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:17.039
Yeah, nodding back to the shape of the brakaki, but still with the coral motifs.

769
00:58:17.159 --> 00:58:23.820
They could have just upturned an old piano on its side and just shot it all like that because that's really what it all looks like.

770
00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:25.800
Yeah No, I think it looks like a junkyard.

771
00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:26.760
I don't I don't like it.

772
00:58:26.820 --> 00:58:29.519
And it is, the junkyard's right to be outside.

773
00:58:29.579 --> 00:58:34.980
We're meant to be in the junkyard, not the junkyard. right. that's right I mean, it's trying to be fairy tale.

774
00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:38.099
It's trying to not be science fiction.

775
00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:41.760
And so it's various magical objects stuck on a table, I guess.

776
00:58:41.820 --> 00:58:46.260
It's one of those things which sounds like good idea as a concept, but just doesn't really come off.

777
00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:48.059
But I love this...

778
00:58:48.119 --> 00:58:49.980
I love the whole sequence from outside to inside.

779
00:58:50.099 --> 00:58:51.599
So there's so much stuff going on.

780
00:58:51.659 --> 00:58:53.400
Like he talks about bow ties are cool.

781
00:58:53.460 --> 00:58:55.260
The girl who waited.

782
00:58:56.519 --> 00:59:00.840
The new Sonic says dear to the TARDIS console.

783
00:59:00.900 --> 00:59:15.659
You know, just all these little seeds of dialogue that is going to keep recurring, that you don't think about at the time, but ends up being something that Stephen will use time and time again that, and you just love it for that, that fact.

784
00:59:15.659 --> 00:59:17.519
And, and the madman with a box.

785
00:59:17.579 --> 00:59:19.139
Like that line is brilliant.

786
00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:23.820
And when Matt goes, haha, yeah, that, the way he delivers that.

787
00:59:23.820 --> 00:59:25.079
Yes, I know what you mean.

788
00:59:25.079 --> 00:59:27.840
When he breathes out and does that, I was just like, and chills.

789
00:59:27.900 --> 00:59:30.179
Yeah, he's really good. chill.

790
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:43.440
You know, there is one ominous thing at the very end, and that is that TV, which is the TV that is used to tell you what Matt's thinking about because it shows a picture of the crack.

791
00:59:43.500 --> 00:59:51.599
And we see it when Amy asks the doctor why he is taking her on board.

792
00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:54.840
And he says something about, oh, I'm very lonely.

793
00:59:54.900 --> 01:00:04.380
So we see the crack on the wall depicted in the screen and it's the doctor's ulterior motive for taking her on board.

794
01:00:04.440 --> 01:00:06.960
She says, you know, why are you taking me on board?

795
01:00:07.019 --> 01:00:12.239
He says, I'm talking to myself and it's giving me an earache or whatever, and she says, oh, it's just because you're lonely then, and he says, yes.

796
01:00:12.300 --> 01:00:16.559
But in fact, he has an ulterior motive right from the get go.

797
01:00:16.619 --> 01:00:22.440
And then in season six, that's the same screen that will depict Amy's quantum pregnancy.

798
01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:25.380
He just wanted to know where all the ducks went.

799
01:00:25.440 --> 01:00:27.059
If it's a duck pond.

800
01:00:27.119 --> 01:00:28.500
Where are all the ducks?

801
01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:33.059
But the ducks are gone in the same way that Amy's parents are gone.

802
01:00:33.239 --> 01:00:35.280
That's a massive crack.

803
01:00:35.340 --> 01:00:36.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

804
01:00:36.300 --> 01:00:40.739
Well, I'm kind of thinking the ducks are back in Ledworth now that it's all been fixed.

805
01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:41.460
I don't know.

806
01:00:41.519 --> 01:00:46.980
Well, people talk about, you know, there's a lot of emphasis given to the duck and where all the ducks.

807
01:00:47.039 --> 01:00:54.300
I think it's just a moffat joke because later when the doctor's driving the fire engine. and he puts the ladder through the window.

808
01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:57.659
He sends Amy Pond a message saying duck.

809
01:00:57.719 --> 01:00:58.260
Yeah.

810
01:00:58.260 --> 01:01:07.619
But also, though, what we will discover is that massive, massive house with all of its rooms has one or 2 people living in it.

811
01:01:07.619 --> 01:01:14.519
And it's the absence of the rest of the ponds.

812
01:01:14.579 --> 01:01:15.300
Yes, yes, yes.

813
01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:21.420
And so I do think it does deliberately, it points towards exactly what's going wrong.

814
01:01:21.480 --> 01:01:26.460
The doctor will say to Amy, doesn't it worry you that your life doesn't make any sense.

815
01:01:26.519 --> 01:01:30.480
Why are you an orphan living in this massive, massive house with all these rooms?

816
01:01:30.539 --> 01:01:32.519
He might as well have said, where are all the ponds?

817
01:01:32.579 --> 01:01:33.360
Yeah, yeah.

818
01:01:33.420 --> 01:01:34.980
Dark.

819
01:01:35.039 --> 01:01:36.059
Correct.

820
01:02:03.119 --> 01:02:06.239
Well, good, listener, that's all we have time for this week.

821
01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:11.099
We'll be back next week with the next chapter of this fairy tale in The Beast Below.

822
01:02:11.280 --> 01:02:26.400
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts, and you can keep up with us at Flightthrough Entirety on Facebook, at FTE podcast on Twitter, and on our website, FlightthroughEntirety.com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger and Jody into Tara.

823
01:02:27.059 --> 01:02:38.820
Until next time, remember that when facing certain death at the hands of a mysterious alien threat, it's very important to have backup, or not to have backup, one of those.

824
01:02:38.880 --> 01:02:41.400
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

825
01:02:41.460 --> 01:02:42.480
Good night.

826
01:02:42.539 --> 01:02:43.619
See you soon.

827
01:02:43.679 --> 01:02:45.599
Keep your nighties firmly pressed.

828
01:02:49.079 --> 01:02:56.639
That was Flight through Entirety, starring Todd Bilby, Nathan Bottomley, Peter Griffiths, and Richard Stone, theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb.

829
01:02:56.760 --> 01:03:03.300
This episode, tickers don't like bacon, was recorded on the 24th of January 2021 and released on the 14th of March.

830
01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:22.199
Today we're announcing the launch of the new FDE Kissogram service in which an FDE host or guest comes over to your house for a quick snog, dressed as an actor or character from the 1966 story, The Ark, including, for this month only, Michael Sheard and Monicker the Elephant.

831
01:03:25.260 --> 01:03:27.719
There's only one other thing I'd like to discuss.

832
01:03:27.780 --> 01:03:31.980
And that's the new theme tune, rearrangement.

833
01:03:32.039 --> 01:03:39.119
I don't mind the theme tune rearrangement, but I do think that the opening thing looks like a colonoscopy.

834
01:03:40.260 --> 01:03:41.820
Oh, right.

835
01:03:42.420 --> 01:03:44.699
Did I miss that with that?

836
01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:46.380
Was that in terror of the vervoid?

837
01:03:46.440 --> 01:03:48.179
Straight back to the car.

838
01:03:48.239 --> 01:03:48.780
What?

839
01:03:48.780 --> 01:03:52.019
An explosive colonoscopy.

840
01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:54.300
I mean, the last time I don't remember it getting lightning.

841
01:03:54.360 --> 01:03:57.119
We're all over some of us are over 50.

842
01:03:57.300 --> 01:03:57.900
That's right.

843
01:03:57.960 --> 01:03:59.820
We know what we're talking about. is a sensitive topic.

844
01:03:59.880 --> 01:04:00.780
What made him regenerate?

845
01:04:00.900 --> 01:04:03.179
I didn't like it when it 1st started.

846
01:04:03.239 --> 01:04:06.000
You know that whole little intro bit?

847
01:04:06.059 --> 01:04:16.320
But now, the moment I hear that, it's like, this is a Matt Smith episode, and besides a few clangers here or there, it's Matt Smith, so I'm gonna like it.

848
01:04:16.380 --> 01:04:21.480
And it's just, well, yeah, it's that's what it is, and I love it.

849
01:04:21.539 --> 01:04:24.119
It's just like the sea devil, a few clangers here and there.

850
01:04:24.599 --> 01:04:26.940
Yeah, no, absolutely.

851
01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:29.880
And you, I didn't particularly like it at the time.

852
01:04:29.940 --> 01:04:34.860
I didn't feel particularly strongly about it, but now it is resonant of that particular era.

853
01:04:34.920 --> 01:04:39.900
And so, you know, it makes you happy because you know that what you're going to watch is likely to be pretty good.

854
01:04:39.960 --> 01:04:48.659
I just think that this whole episode is, it's my favourite introduction to a doctor in New Pooh.

855
01:04:48.719 --> 01:04:49.260
Yep, right?

856
01:04:49.320 --> 01:04:52.199
I think it might be my favourite introduction to a doctor full stop.

857
01:04:52.260 --> 01:04:54.300
I give it 11 out of 10.

858
01:04:54.840 --> 01:04:57.179
Sorry, I had to get that in, people.

859
01:04:57.360 --> 01:04:59.699
All right, I think that's an out.

860
01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:00.179
Yeah?

861
01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:01.019
Alright.