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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety

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the only Doctor Who podcast broadcasting from our bedroom in a

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wide variety of comedy fetish wear.

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I'm a nun.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm Peter.

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I'm Todd, and I'm an 11 year old's assortment of dietary allergens

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for this one.

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Well, we said farewell to Russell T. Davis last episode, and now

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the production office has been taken over by a grumpy Scotsman

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with an eye for the ladies, and the new young white guy star is

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surprisingly different from the previous one.

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Welcome to an entirely new era of our favourite TV show.

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It's the 11th hour.

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Let's start with a precredit sequence because I think it's a

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little bit interesting in the sense that it's telling us what the

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show's going to do in a sort of interesting way.

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It wasn't originally in it, was it?

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It wasn't.

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It was written and shot quite late on.

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So originally the episode was going to start with the scene with

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little Amy, Amelia, praying to Santa, and then the TARDIS would

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crash and you'd have the credits, but this was entirely fabric. and

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we'd have David Tennant if he hadn't decided to bugger off

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absolutely.

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And in fact, that opening shot immediately after we come out of

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the credits is the bottom of the garden, which absolutely

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establishes the kind of fairy tale thing.

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But we do say goodbye to the iconography of the Russell T. Davis

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era, don't we?

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We have an opening shot where we start on the moon and then head

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down to earth, which we've had any number of times.

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We have London.

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We have David Tennant's TARDIS console room.

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We have something almost crashing into Big Ben, but in a more

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comedy way.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And and we have a thing that's going to really be a chief

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obsession of the Moffat era, which is anxiety about our

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masculinity.

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And dietary requirements.

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And so Matt breathes a sigh of relief when his testicles don't

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sort of crash into the spy at the top of Big Ben.

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Oh, I thought you were going to say it was like people hanging out

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of the TARDIS, like seemingly, you know, hanging on for dear life

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where there's nothing to hang on to.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I can actually spot the moment 48 minutes in when they descend.

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But I think it's a lovely sort of homage to Russell.

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Like it's got all these elements, but it's got, obviously

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Stephen's got his own take on things.

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As you said many times, Nathan.

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It's so obvious that Stephen loves the RTD era and all he's done

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and this episode is so important in saying to everybody.

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I'm doing something new, but and it is actually very new, the

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whole thing, but it's sort of shrouded in the RTD sort of style or

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there's just enough there that people aren't going to be saying

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let's so totally different.

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When in fact, when you drill down, it actually is very, very

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different.

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And that console is blowing up the best it's ever blown up.

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There are sparks and explosions everywhere.

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You would have thought that Matt would have learned not to hold it

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in the next time he regenerated, but he absolutely fails to learn

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that lesson.

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I was talking about spitting on the console. whole mouth of debris

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ready to spit over big Ben.

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It is very funny and it is actually kind of nice introducing Matt

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in a scene where he doesn't actually say anything.

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And, you know, it is, it sort of works really well.

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His face does more than some actors in the role of down in their

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entire careers.

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He is entirely.

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It does actually feel like something a child with a very creative

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bent would have made him plasticine, doesn't it?

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In space.

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It's not quite right.

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Well, the episode's full of those kind of raggedy man versions. is

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like cartoonish.

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Yeah, we're back to, I don't know, the books that Moffatt grew up

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with, but we're definitely back to Edith Nesbit and Children of

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Green.

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No.

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And the great traditions of British fantasy writing, which were

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not YA, young adult.

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They were the children, but they expected children to be already

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read and interesting and educated and have ideas and will respond

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to creative ideas.

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I think that for me, the big thing in this one is Amelia.

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And probably get to your thoughts on who you think should have

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actually stayed for the season.

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But I'm very, very fond of Amelia.

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And it's one of the few times that we see a child in Doctor Who

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that doesn't want to kill you.

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One child in dog 2 that you don't want to kill. slash.

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Yes.

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Or that actually shows us who the doctor is, is and that what he's

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actually about.

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And other artists and other actors and writers and just good

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people say that, um, if you can't speak to a child, friend

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Leibowitz on the current Netflix um, series by Scorsese, pretend

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it's a city, and she's one of the most acerbic vitriolic old

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Warhol crowd critics of the modern malaise of all since the 70s.

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And she says, you can't talk to a child.

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You're not a person, you let alone an adult.

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A child speaks truth.

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That questions are interesting, and they come from the heart.

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You get very little dissembling from a child because they haven't

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learnt to fake it yet.

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And that's the same with this doctor.

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I'm getting why we love this doctor instantly because he speaks to

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the reason we love Doctor Who, the little person inside. in my red

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cardigan and mismatching drag.

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Yes.

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Yeah, I mean, we'll get that again next week.

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But that sequence.

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You know, the 1st sort of 10 or so minutes, I guess, is it?

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Um, is uh, 15 or 16?

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It's that long?

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It's an absolute masterstroke.

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It's so incredibly good.

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And it starts with that children's literature thing that you

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mentioned.

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So she's praying to Santa.

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There's a mysterious portal in her wall that leads to another

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world.

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She's in her nightdress, you know, like Peter Pan.

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You know, it, um, it's, and, and we have something at the bottom

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of the garden.

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You know, someone sort of crashes, you know, into her world from

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another world altogether.

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Thankfully, it's not Capaldi.

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It would not have gone the same way.

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But it's like having the faraway tree.

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Yeah, the wishing chair at the front.

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Yes, the far away tree, off the garden.

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Yeah.

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Exactly.

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If one fell swoop, it introduces what this new series is going to

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be about.

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And what the moth idea is going to be about, but it also

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introduces you to Matt in all of his kind of childlike innocence

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through the eyes of a child.

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So there's no cynicism there at all.

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And the child, it's Caitlin Blackwood is incredibly good.

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It's a really good performance.

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To be fair, though, I mean, she was up for the replacement in the

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crankies.

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She's 46.

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A tragic thyroid condition. shouldn't make fun.

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She is kind of impressed by the doctor, but not too impressed.

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Well, she's sandy toxic.

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You know, she, um, there's one moment where, oh, it's when the

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doctor is eating the fish custard and she just looks at him and

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says, funny, you know.

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Again, the critiquing of this entire episode is by a child.

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Yeah, you know, talking about all of those kind of English fairy

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tales and that, you know, the explicit Winnie the Pooh kind of

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sequence with the food.

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It means that like it doesn't wear grams at home.

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And you know, Matt's doctor is a tiger.

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It's like, oh, Tigger, isn't it?

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Everyone have a moment. and then the next seekers don't like bacon

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followed by followed in 3 or 4 years by E or.

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Yes, yes.

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In fact, doesn't isn't the actual dialogue, doesn't the doctor say

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whatever it is eating?

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Let's say it's bacon.

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I like bacon.

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Yuck, I don't like bacon. explicit quote.

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And it's so well directed.

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Like, it's funny, like beautifully quick.

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Who's the director on this one?

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Adam Smith.

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Oh, we like it.

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What else is Mr. Smith done?

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He only does the Angels 2 parter, which is every bit as good, if

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not better.

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That's the 1st thing they filmed, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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Because that's outstanding.

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So this is the end of the 1st production block.

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No, they actually, they did The Angels, then they did episode 2

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and 3 and then they came back to do this by itself.

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So they did the sort of Peter Davis and the thing where you do the

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1st story after the actors had the chance to settle into the

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role.

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Only it turns out that wasn't necessary at all because Matt nails

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it completely straight from the beginning of the Angels too.

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Oh, you know, we'll talk about this in a couple of weeks.

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But yeah, that scene on the beach with River song, his very 1st

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scene and he's just utterly inhabiting the doctor.

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I mean, he is unbelievably great in this.

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Sometimes maybe, you know, there might be someone who might

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critique it for being maybe overtly or just a little bit too

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comedic, but I absolutely don't care.

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I think it's really funny.

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There's that moment where he's eating bread and butter and it's on

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a plate.

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And then we cut to him at the open door, frisbeeing the plate out

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of the door and then you hear a crash and a cat yowling.

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So he's hit a cat.

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It's really just so fun, just so wonderfully fun.

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He's never liked cats since not the same.

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I love the line you're Scottish, fry something.

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Which we only get away with because Stephen wrote it, I guess.

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We love Matt in those early scenes.

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It's all part of the post regenerative them, him being kind of

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broad like that, but he also gives off wonderful spiky reactions.

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So when you cut to the inside of the kitchen, when Amelia's about

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to prepare him some food, he's looking around quite suspiciously

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and awkwardly at all the corners of the kitchen.

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It's just a little moment thrown in and it's so doctor-ish.

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The other thing that I really like is when he talks about sort of

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about the time war, about being the last of his kind.

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And the way it's done is they're eating.

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And Amelia says, you know, I don't have parents.

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I've just got an aunt.

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And he goes, I don't even have an aunt.

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And she goes, you're lucky.

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And he goes, I know.

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So that's demonstrably untrue.

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He once had a giddy aunt.

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He did.

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Yeah, he did.

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What's he got against ants?

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I think the only aunt he's ever, the only aunt he's ever met is

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aunt Vanessa.

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He didn't like that sports car driving Harrodan.

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He only met her when she was an action figure.

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It's a scene.

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Woodhouse.

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There's a lot of there's actually a lot of PG Woodhouse comedy in

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this.

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I actually love that they also hit on children's food allergies

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which is what I was referring to, the whole thing, which is the

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glycophate roundup thing.

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So many children born since the 90s can't digest and have ADHD.

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It's all traced back to that now.

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Maybe a bond.

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And that's what it.

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Yes. it's just a lot of also children are very particular.

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It's one of the few things you can control at that age is what

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goes into your body.

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So, you know, we have no control over our lives, but we can say

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what we will and won't eat.

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There's all these tips and nods to the discomfiture of being a

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child in an adult world.

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And sort of casting Smith as a child.

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You know, like that...

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I think he just did it himself.

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Hell he looked like a child.

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He was 26.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Look, it's really interesting, all these things you've touched on

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because Stephen's not interested in having mum and dad's, you know

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anymore.

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And like, so Amelia doesn't have one.

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We've just got this art that we see a couple of times.

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And, you know, he talks about, you know, Amelia's name being like

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a fairy tale.

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Yeah, he's setting up all this stuff.

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And that entire sequence, I love the fact that Peter, you

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mentioned it so broad.

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There's some of it, which I think plays really well, and others

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which I think a couple of those sequences with the eating.

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It reminds me a bit of early Tom Baker, like with Harry in that

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where he's just a little bit not quite what he ends up being, but

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it's, but it's sort of refreshing at night.

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And but it's at the moment where he actually says, you know what I

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think.

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Must be a hell of a scary crack in your wall.

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At that point, I was not expecting that delivery, that question.

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And although I didn't get it this time when I rewatched it, the

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1st I said, you're the doctor.

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At that point when he said that, I just went, 0 my god, you are

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now the doctor.

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Sorry, the crack in the wall.

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I'm sorry, the crack in the wall is the moment for you.

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When he's talking to her and he says, you know what I think?

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And they're having a conversation, then he says, must be a hell of

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a scary crack in your wall.

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And I did not expect that line or that delivery.

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And, you know, ages ago, I mentioned, like we say, Sylvester McCoy

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when he reads that rule book in Paradise Towers, that's the moment

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he becomes the doctor here.

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That's the moment he becomes the doctor for me and that's what, 10

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minutes in?

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It's an amazing delivery too, because he's got his mouth full.

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Like, he's actually sort of eating around that line.

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That's the hardest thing for an actor to do is to eat and work.

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Yeah.

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But then to go into the bedroom and just the way the use of his

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fingers down that crop.

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Yes, yes.

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The physicality is just incredible.

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As if it's a keyboard.

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Yes, yes.

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But it's also his relationship with young Amelia.

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I think she's phenomenal and I just fell in love with her

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throughout all this. and I know, of course, I knew that we'd be

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getting, Karen, and I just, I remember at the time in my head, How

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am I going to cope without her?

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She needs to be here for the whole season.

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This is like, you know, Doctor Who and Susie or whatever for...

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John and Julian.

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I actually thought, I want the doctor with, you know, this young

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girl.

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So it's not practical.

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No, it's not practical and, you know, as the original production

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team of Doctor Who realised a grown man and a girl unrelated to

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him travelling around together is possibly problematic.

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How long before Matt would have been giving a jolly good smacked

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bottoms?

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She'd give one to him.

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She probably would.

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I think too, the idea that the doctor is someone who's childlike

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and can therefore sympathise with children.

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The best line is that thing where he says, you know how adults

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tell you that everything's going to be all right, you suspect

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they're probably lying.

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Well, everything's going to be all right.

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And so he's playing the adult role, but he's absolutely aware of

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what children feel.

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You're saying I'm on your side and I'm not going to lie to you.

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Yeah exactly right.

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There's such an easy poetry to the dialogue in those scenes, which

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you know, we just, you know, we really do miss at the moment when

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we had Russell and particularly Stephen.

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They can just take a scene like that.

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And like you were saying, Todd, just turn it on a dime at the end

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there and go from broad laughs to something which segues

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beautifully into the next scene.

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But what Russell does is sort of naturalistic TV dialogue.

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Like it's not naturalism, but it is, you know, TV dialogue.

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Whereas as Stephen Moffatt is more poetic, I think, and more

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artificial and much more deliberately calculated, I think, to sort

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of reveal...

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Rom-com dialogue versus soap dialogue.

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Yeah, maybe that's it.

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Maybe that's it.

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Although saying soap dialogue is doing a huge disservice to

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Russell, but you're right, more naturalistic.

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Whereas Moffat, I think, writes with a little bit more poetry in

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his dialogue.

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Yeah, yeah.

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We get to see that big giant eyeball through the crack in the wall

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which then shoots out some sort of light that seems to go straight

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into Matt's crotch.

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We're going to start on about packages again, I do.

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No, Peter, I know I'm not.

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The eyeball is great.

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And when it's cicades, you know, when it does those little

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movements that your eyes do, there's a little whoosh sound that

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comes on.

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Yeah, it's like a Star Trek door.

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It's a grade sort of fabulous, well-designed monster.

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And again, it's not a sort of rubber alien or anything.

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It still fits with that sort of strange fairy tale atmosphere that

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we're going for.

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Do you think the Atraxi with its big eye on a stalk has a bitch

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off in space with the axons with their big eye on a stalk?

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No.

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So the Atraxi, we know where that comes from, don't we?

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More forton.

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And tonight's dinner is oh, that again.

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He just nicked the glass bill off the tray.

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Sorry, Barbara has wrecked the main course.

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Yeah, from Kate, friend of the podcast, Kate Orman's novel, vampire

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science.

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There's a mention of Atraxi 3.

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Oh, and so Moffat's just quietly lifted that and dropped it in.

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Wow.

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Well, he will he will refer to the novels or at least an alien

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race created for the novels at the end of the season.

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He is aware of them.

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Yeah, he's totally steeped in Doctor Who and he throws in things

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like we do for laughs.

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There's a few Anderson references.

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I think Stephen might have grown up with Space 1979 like the rest

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of us.

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There's a couple of those too, through the season.

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Yeah.

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And then everything has to end because we've got the Cloister Bell

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doctor's got to get back into the to the TARDIS and then deal with

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the swimming pool and I like the way automatically like he's

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expanding what's in the TARDIS, like...

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But always back to Lou Jamison in the pool, in the swimming pool

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and trying to lose Adric in the cloister room.

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So I think we did eject the swimming pool at one point in the

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1980s, but obviously Paradise Towers. right.

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Well, they ejected it because it was leaking.

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Maybe it leaked into the library.

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The swimming pools in the library.

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So great.

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It's so funny.

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So the doctor disappears and then comes back and it's a very

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moffety thing, isn't it?

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I mean, I guess, I guess Chris Eccleston sort of disappeared and

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came back 18 months later, but this is really something very

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different.

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It's interesting that straight away in this episode, Stephen does

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all these time jumps, like he says, I'll be back in 5 minutes and

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it's not 5 minutes.

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He gets it wrong.

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Obviously, in Classic Who, the doctor can't control where he's

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going, but Stephen takes it where...

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We can now control the Tartars, but Matt just can't get the timing

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right.

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Keeps breaking bits off.

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Well, I mean, I mean, it is on fire, I think, probably when he

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does that little jump forward.

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But even like, you know, later in the episode, there's jump

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forward and if you look back at Russell's time, a lot of his stuff

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there's very few episodes where that even happens, it only happens

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in the Moffatt episodes.

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Well, listen, yeah, Moffatt's plundering himself with the girl on

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the fireplace.

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Yeah, whereas Russell would just land and then we'd have

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everything play out in real time here, Stephen, and it's part of

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his fairy tale, part of his, I don't know, novel approach that

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he's willing to do time jumps within an episode, which is

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something very different.

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And of course, our time jump, then takes us a number of years into

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the future.

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Yeah, so it's 12 years in the future, and the purpose of this is

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to change really the premise of Doctor Who for this season where

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it's about a young woman who flees her own wedding the night

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before the wedding with her childhood imaginary friend.

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And it's absolutely that.

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And it's very, very different from the way the relationships

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between doctor and companion have been conceived.

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It is as if Sarah Jane is standing in the unit lab peeking through

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the doors watching Tom quick change and nodding with surprise

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because it really, I mean, I think this is the 1st time we've seen

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a companion. watch a doctor assume his costume and pull salacious

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grimaces.

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Well, I think that something is happening here too.

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That, you know, you know, in aliens of London where Russell has

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the word fart in the dialogue and we see aliens farting, and it's

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something, of course, it's happened before.

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Bob Holmes loves the old fart joke, but it is...

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I'm sure there's some bubbles in Pertwe's bath in Spearhead from

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Space, I'm sure there's a bit going on with Channing peering

447
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molestingly through the ribbed glass at him.

448
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Channing is controlling your bath salts.

449
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So here, Moffatt introduces sex to the show in a way.

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Well, but because this whole season is going to be about Amy's

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relationship with her adulthood.

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And remember that that is a fraught topic in children's

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literature.

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And of course, the, you know, the most important place that

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happens is, of course, in the Narnia books, where Susan ages out

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of being able to travel to Narnia because she's an adult woman who

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has become interested in Sam.

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There's so much to unpack in C.S. Lewis.

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Yeah, yeah.

460
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Well, Neil Gaiman writes a short story entirely about it called

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The Problem of Susan.

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And Sandra takes that up to talk about.

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She was talking about the reign of terror.

464
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Yeah, well, no, so Santa for repurposes that idea to talk about

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why Susan...

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Yeah, we talk about that in the 1st season, FT. 10,000 years ago.

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It's a very long time.

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So having Amy, we've had little child Amy, who's, how old is she?

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10 maybe, um, and then we have Karen, who, you know, Karen Gillon

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playing a version of that 12 years later, and she is instantly

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sexualised.

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So the 1st shot of Karen. is a shot that moves up her body.

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It's like when we 1st see Perry in Planet of Fire.

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It moves up her legs, which is a feature of Karen that Moffatt

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will upsettingly keep mentioning.

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And she's wearing stockings with seams up the back.

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She's wearing sort of sexy stockings and stuff.

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So she's instantly sexualised and particularly when we find out

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she's a kissogram.

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That is so crap.

481
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Yeah, that is a bit crap.

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Who's a kissogram?

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Like that's something from 19 Kissograms in 1970s these days.

484
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Do you even have them?

485
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Like, I really don't like that she's a physogram.

486
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I think it's introducing my career choices.

487
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Yes, yes, Peter.

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Yeah, I just, yeah, it doesn't seem well with me.

489
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It just seems, I don't know.

490
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Well, she does that to she does she do anything else?

491
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I think that's something for schoolgirls to get titillated over.

492
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He is writing for young people.

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So as a teenager, you'd go, oh, that's so racy.

494
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But it's also sort of a transient profession, it's not something

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that someone aims to make career out of.

496
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So it speaks to the fact that Amy's lost.

497
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Yeah, she hasn't carved out a life of her own.

498
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Oh, she is, she is, I think, the 1st sexual companion.

499
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I don't mean sexualise.

500
00:24:02.099 --> 00:24:04.799
She's the 1st sexual companion in that she speaks about desires

501
00:24:04.799 --> 00:24:06.299
and things like that.

502
00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:09.539
Romana just had the wand. was just threatening.

503
00:24:09.599 --> 00:24:13.980
Well, exactly, previous companions were romantic companions.

504
00:24:14.039 --> 00:24:17.640
They would speak about relationships and love, whereas Amy speaks

505
00:24:17.640 --> 00:24:18.000
about sex.

506
00:24:18.059 --> 00:24:19.500
She has desires.

507
00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:22.740
Yeah, I mean, Leila had a knife, but she still talked about love.

508
00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:26.460
But, I mean, Rose is having sex with Mickey, right?

509
00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:28.319
At some point, you know.

510
00:24:28.380 --> 00:24:32.940
And they, don't they plan in Boomtown to get a hotel together in

511
00:24:32.940 --> 00:24:33.359
Karma?

512
00:24:33.420 --> 00:24:34.440
Go off to a hotel, that's right.

513
00:24:34.500 --> 00:24:34.920
Yeah.

514
00:24:34.980 --> 00:24:40.980
And get rubber Mickey out of a bin and...

515
00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:44.400
He doesn't have a head, but it's fine. won't need one.

516
00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:53.220
But note how disappointed the doctor is by the fact that Amy is

517
00:24:53.220 --> 00:24:54.000
sexual.

518
00:24:54.059 --> 00:24:56.759
You know, he says you were a little girl 5 minutes ago.

519
00:24:56.819 --> 00:24:58.619
Because he sees them as one person.

520
00:24:58.680 --> 00:24:59.279
Yeah, of course.

521
00:24:59.700 --> 00:25:00.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

522
00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:02.940
And from his point of view, you know, she was a little girl, now

523
00:25:02.940 --> 00:25:05.640
she's kissing strangers for money or whatever.

524
00:25:05.880 --> 00:25:10.799
We're all looking at Peter, I don't know. can I say?

525
00:25:10.859 --> 00:25:12.240
Have you got it, Flaunter?

526
00:25:12.299 --> 00:25:13.319
They give him money.

527
00:25:13.740 --> 00:25:16.440
Don't get your fingers caught in the coast draw.

528
00:25:16.559 --> 00:25:20.519
Reminds me of that scene in prisoner cell block H where B says, you

529
00:25:20.519 --> 00:25:23.579
know, I could go on the game and at a totally unscripted moment

530
00:25:23.579 --> 00:25:24.960
that they leave in the show.

531
00:25:25.019 --> 00:25:27.900
Lizzy says, what would you do with all the ¢2 pieces?

532
00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:43.380
I think that at some point this goes horribly wrong, um, because

533
00:25:43.380 --> 00:25:48.779
it does become an obsession with Moffatt, who is after all a rom

534
00:25:48.180 --> 00:25:50.519
com writer, sort of primarily.

535
00:25:50.579 --> 00:25:55.799
So things like joking apart and obviously coupling are all about

536
00:25:55.799 --> 00:25:58.200
sex and all about love and sex.

537
00:25:58.259 --> 00:26:01.799
And I think that coupling does have an effect on what he ends up

538
00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:02.940
writing.

539
00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:09.779
And this story, this season is about Amy's relationship with her

540
00:26:09.779 --> 00:26:14.039
childhood and her refusal to grow up, she escapes at the moment of

541
00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:18.180
a huge adult milestone in order to run off into fairyland with her

542
00:26:18.180 --> 00:26:19.559
imaginary friend.

543
00:26:19.859 --> 00:26:27.240
But her adulthood is sort of um cast as sort of sexual in in some

544
00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:28.019
important way.

545
00:26:28.259 --> 00:26:32.400
Which again is a bit of a younger people thing, you know, when

546
00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:36.240
you're younger, you think in terms of, you know, one night stands

547
00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:36.900
and things like that.

548
00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:40.559
Whereas as you get older and, you know, head into middle age

549
00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:42.599
you're starting to think more in terms of lasting relationships, I

550
00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:42.779
think.

551
00:26:42.839 --> 00:26:43.680
Yeah.

552
00:26:43.740 --> 00:26:48.359
Yeah, but I do think that, you know, just becoming sexual is like

553
00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:52.200
a marker of adulthood and a pretty sort of salient marker of

554
00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:52.859
adulthood.

555
00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:58.799
And we are going to spend the next couple of years raking over

556
00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:03.059
that, I think, because I think sometimes it doesn't work and is a

557
00:27:03.059 --> 00:27:07.740
problem, but it certainly isn't yet, I think. possibly not a great

558
00:27:07.740 --> 00:27:08.700
match for the series.

559
00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:09.779
Yeah.

560
00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:13.140
It's interesting that you're talking about this because, you know

561
00:27:13.140 --> 00:27:16.259
a lot of the younger viewers may have been 12 or 13 when the show

562
00:27:16.259 --> 00:27:16.740
1st started.

563
00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:19.140
And now they're like 17 or 18.

564
00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:20.819
That's that's the point.

565
00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:21.299
Yep.

566
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:21.900
Yeah.

567
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:22.500
Yep.

568
00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:27.420
And there's a lovely bridge in just in the styling of this story

569
00:27:27.420 --> 00:27:29.759
to take up from 2005 to where we are now.

570
00:27:29.819 --> 00:27:31.019
But I do agree with you.

571
00:27:31.079 --> 00:27:36.119
I think, Vampires of Venice, which I'll talk about in many weeks.

572
00:27:36.180 --> 00:27:40.619
I think that's the ultimate rom-com sexual sort of thing, and I

573
00:27:40.619 --> 00:27:43.380
don't think it works, the Amy Rory relationship in that.

574
00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:47.220
It's not a problem up from here. to that point because Rory's

575
00:27:47.220 --> 00:27:48.839
really not in it except that this episode.

576
00:27:48.900 --> 00:27:49.440
Yeah.

577
00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:50.819
But we'll talk about that.

578
00:27:50.819 --> 00:27:51.779
We haven't gotten we get to it.

579
00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:55.920
But Rory makes this season work for me and makes this episode work

580
00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:56.339
for me.

581
00:27:56.339 --> 00:28:02.220
In the way that older Amy actually doesn't, in this one.

582
00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:04.980
And if we're talking about the sexualising and the development of

583
00:28:04.980 --> 00:28:07.920
character and emotionality, I didn't want to cut you off, Todd

584
00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:09.420
because I want to hear what you're saying, but I'm just sort of

585
00:28:09.420 --> 00:28:13.680
throwing this in to see what your reaction to this is, because for

586
00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:17.640
me, all the emotional intelligence is an 11 year old Amy.

587
00:28:17.700 --> 00:28:21.299
And yes, we know she's been in the psychiatrists for 6 or 7 years

588
00:28:21.299 --> 00:28:24.480
but I wonder if that's aligned to just make up for the fact that

589
00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:31.920
we have a very removed and I would say, look, I don't want to get

590
00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:34.859
into how she acts yet, but they're very different people.

591
00:28:34.980 --> 00:28:37.500
Little Amy and Big Amy.

592
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:42.839
Whereas the bridge is Rory because Rory's always Rory.

593
00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:48.059
I have mentioned that I have not liked.

594
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:51.119
I'm not in love with Amy and I was certainly not, didn't think

595
00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:53.039
much of Karen as an actress.

596
00:28:53.099 --> 00:28:55.859
I've mentioned this many times.

597
00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:59.759
So coming back to this season, coming back to this episode in

598
00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:00.119
particular.

599
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:03.779
I was really intrigued to see what I thought of the character

600
00:29:03.779 --> 00:29:05.160
versus the actress.

601
00:29:05.339 --> 00:29:10.500
And over the course of the last, sorry, the next 5 episodes, I

602
00:29:10.500 --> 00:29:15.059
really like Karen, the actress, more and more.

603
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:19.680
But the Martha problem I had many moons ago where I said it was

604
00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:22.619
just Martha Blankface because it was all based on her last episode

605
00:29:22.619 --> 00:29:24.240
which of course I've scrubbed that.

606
00:29:24.299 --> 00:29:29.700
Here, I find that Karen's performance in those 1st sequences when

607
00:29:29.700 --> 00:29:35.099
she's in the policeman's outfit when she's in with prisoner 0 when

608
00:29:35.099 --> 00:29:36.119
they're walking up the path.

609
00:29:36.180 --> 00:29:40.740
She's like that emoji, just like that emoji with just the, the, the

610
00:29:40.740 --> 00:29:41.940
eyes, the bug eyes.

611
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:42.960
It's just the same face.

612
00:29:43.019 --> 00:29:47.759
I just don't see enough differentiation in her performance at that

613
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:48.059
point.

614
00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:50.640
And that's what I had a problem with, and that's what stuck in my

615
00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:50.880
mind.

616
00:29:50.940 --> 00:29:53.940
But it's really interesting when I went back because I was really

617
00:29:53.940 --> 00:29:55.619
watching to see if she was doing anything.

618
00:29:55.619 --> 00:29:59.579
And there's subtle, there is subtle things happening in her face.

619
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:05.099
And I think in this episode there's scenes where she's not, she's

620
00:30:05.099 --> 00:30:05.579
too subtle.

621
00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:09.779
The scenes where she's too subtle, and then there's other scenes

622
00:30:09.779 --> 00:30:13.740
where, well, I'm going to go to Elizabeth Sladen, where she gets

623
00:30:13.740 --> 00:30:16.799
to that point where it's heightened, and it works really well.

624
00:30:16.859 --> 00:30:20.039
And I actually think like in the beast below, and in victory of

625
00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:22.019
the Daleks, she's actually nailing it.

626
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:23.039
I love her in the beast below.

627
00:30:23.099 --> 00:30:23.640
Absolutely.

628
00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:28.079
In this, I don't know whether it's a direction or perhaps because

629
00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:34.319
in the 1st filming block they've got River Song as somebody to

630
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:34.980
bounce off here.

631
00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:35.940
It just her and Matt.

632
00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:38.400
There are sequences that I do struggle with.

633
00:30:38.460 --> 00:30:43.380
But I can then see in certain parts when she's with Arthur and

634
00:30:43.380 --> 00:30:44.700
that there's actually a lot more going on.

635
00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:47.819
So I'm actually liking her performance a lot more.

636
00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:49.319
Amy.

637
00:30:49.380 --> 00:30:57.299
Well, Amy is a sort of Moffat woman and it's fairly clear that

638
00:30:57.299 --> 00:31:03.059
Stephen Moffat likes bossy, competent women who are a bit

639
00:31:03.059 --> 00:31:06.599
dismissive of other people's feelings in uniform.

640
00:31:06.660 --> 00:31:09.000
Well, in uniform, dressed as nuns.

641
00:31:09.059 --> 00:31:14.819
And, and, you know, Linda Day from Press Gang is obviously in some

642
00:31:14.819 --> 00:31:17.819
senses what he's going for with Amy.

643
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:20.400
And Amy is a kind of force of nature.

644
00:31:20.460 --> 00:31:24.599
There's that wonderful scene where she slams Cully's tie in his

645
00:31:24.599 --> 00:31:29.640
car door and tells him to go off and, you know, get a coffee or

646
00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:30.119
something.

647
00:31:30.180 --> 00:31:34.079
And it's clear that everyone is slightly scared of her.

648
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:36.539
Everyone defers to her.

649
00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:37.440
Oh yes, Amy.

650
00:31:37.500 --> 00:31:38.099
Yeah, yeah.

651
00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:41.279
And I actually have to say that I quite like that.

652
00:31:41.339 --> 00:31:44.759
But there are one or 2 scenes where she's put on the back foot.

653
00:31:44.819 --> 00:31:49.140
Like when she breaks into Annette Crosby's house and has to kind

654
00:31:49.140 --> 00:31:53.880
of explain why she dresses, you know, as a nurse and a nun and all

655
00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:56.099
of that sort of thing and she's sort of slightly embarrassed.

656
00:31:56.220 --> 00:31:58.859
So I think she does comedy really well.

657
00:31:58.920 --> 00:32:05.039
And I think that these 3 who, you know, will bed down as the as

658
00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:09.240
the companions for the 2nd half of series 5 and all of series 6

659
00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:11.279
are superb.

660
00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:13.559
I think they love one another.

661
00:32:13.619 --> 00:32:18.299
You know, like all 3 actors clearly got on really well.

662
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:21.900
I think Matt and Arthur went to drama school together or

663
00:32:21.900 --> 00:32:22.319
something.

664
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:25.319
And they're all the same age.

665
00:32:25.380 --> 00:32:28.680
It's like 3 attractive young people and they just seem to be

666
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:29.579
having a blast.

667
00:32:29.579 --> 00:32:34.920
And I actually really like this TARDIS team quite a lot.

668
00:32:34.980 --> 00:32:39.480
Yeah, I don't think Rory makes a huge impression in this episode.

669
00:32:39.660 --> 00:32:41.940
I think he's quite forgettable.

670
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:46.319
He comes into his own later on, but he's really the 3rd wheel, um

671
00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:50.220
and he doesn't have any scenes which um, focus you on him.

672
00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:52.319
Well, there's the scene with Dr. Ramsden.

673
00:32:52.380 --> 00:32:53.940
Yeah, I think he's a bit lost in that.

674
00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:57.900
I find him spectacular in the town square when we're doing the

675
00:32:57.900 --> 00:32:59.579
darting about.

676
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:03.660
I find he's as a reactive actor, he's the glue between the 2 of

677
00:33:03.660 --> 00:33:05.579
them that makes it really work for me.

678
00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:09.539
With Todd on this, I find some of, and it's nothing against Karen

679
00:33:09.539 --> 00:33:13.079
as such, but stylistically, I find that she's all over the park

680
00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:18.180
with her tie caught in the steering column, and it doesn't gel for

681
00:33:18.180 --> 00:33:21.720
me in a way that the young less playing, who did we say?

682
00:33:21.779 --> 00:33:22.740
Standy Toxic?

683
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:23.700
Caitlin Blackwood.

684
00:33:23.700 --> 00:33:25.920
Caitlin Blackwood, maybe it's just innocence or...

685
00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:26.640
Jeanette Cranky.

686
00:33:26.700 --> 00:33:27.779
Jeanette Cranky.

687
00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:30.299
Absolutely nails every moment for me.

688
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:31.680
Okay, she doesn't have to do as much.

689
00:33:31.740 --> 00:33:35.640
But Rory, I just thought, oh, look at all the emotional

690
00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:37.980
intelligence and the humour in that man.

691
00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:39.900
He's a really good actor.

692
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:43.680
Maybe acting is just all the innate stuff that a camera reveals

693
00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:45.599
explicitly.

694
00:33:45.660 --> 00:33:50.279
Well, I mean, he is just doing a comedy performance here and it's

695
00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:50.880
completely reactive.

696
00:33:50.940 --> 00:33:54.599
His performance will open up, but he's he's flustered and stuff

697
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:55.859
with Dr. Ramsden.

698
00:33:55.920 --> 00:33:59.279
There's that sort of wonderful scene where he yells at the doctor

699
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:00.720
for bringing the aliens back.

700
00:34:01.019 --> 00:34:08.099
But it is it is all just sort of nervous guy, you know, comedy.

701
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:12.539
But I think it's vampires of Venice where he really properly

702
00:34:12.539 --> 00:34:12.900
lands.

703
00:34:13.019 --> 00:34:14.039
I would agree.

704
00:34:14.099 --> 00:34:17.579
I don't actually think I'm struggling not to criticise Arthur

705
00:34:17.579 --> 00:34:18.719
because I think Arthur's fine.

706
00:34:18.780 --> 00:34:21.719
And I think Rory will turn out to be fine, but I think we have a

707
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:24.539
slight Mickey problem at the start in that he doesn't have a very

708
00:34:24.539 --> 00:34:26.519
expressive face and he gets lost in the mix a bit.

709
00:34:26.579 --> 00:34:27.420
Yeah okay.

710
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:27.900
Oh, really?

711
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:28.440
Yeah.

712
00:34:28.500 --> 00:34:32.460
I would disagree, and I would say that I love all the subtle stuff

713
00:34:32.460 --> 00:34:34.199
that he does in this episode.

714
00:34:34.260 --> 00:34:37.500
He's not given a lot because it's not his focus.

715
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:43.260
The character is written to be that Mickey character and I think

716
00:34:43.260 --> 00:34:45.780
it actually does a disservice to Amy.

717
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:47.639
It's this rom-com thing that I don't like.

718
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:52.500
And I just think all of his little scenes he's seen with what's

719
00:34:52.500 --> 00:34:55.139
her name, Dr. Ramsden or Zainab from EastEnders.

720
00:34:55.139 --> 00:34:55.980
Fabulous.

721
00:34:56.039 --> 00:34:56.880
She is wonderful.

722
00:34:56.940 --> 00:34:59.460
But just his little subtle stuff like, oh, it's a raggedy doctor

723
00:34:59.460 --> 00:35:01.139
and he's so like, you know, oh.

724
00:35:01.139 --> 00:35:05.400
No, just, again, that sort of weird thing, you know, like he'd

725
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:09.840
been forced by Amy to dress up as the raggedy doctor when he was a

726
00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:10.139
child.

727
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:12.780
Again, you know, Amy is just bossing everyone around.

728
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:16.800
I think too, what's really super interesting is the introduction

729
00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:20.760
of Jeff, who the doctor describes as not him, the good looking

730
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:21.300
one.

731
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:22.139
Remember that?

732
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:27.659
And so when Amy leaves, like when we see in that final shot, her

733
00:35:27.659 --> 00:35:30.840
wedding dress, we don't actually know who she's getting married to

734
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:31.440
at that point.

735
00:35:31.500 --> 00:35:32.519
That's right.

736
00:35:32.579 --> 00:35:35.159
And this could actually be part of my problem with Rory in this

737
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:38.699
episode in that I think Moffatt's intentionally misdirecting us.

738
00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:43.559
So, again, Rory gets lost in the mix a little bit because your

739
00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:48.000
attention that should be on him is divided, as you question, what's

740
00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:48.599
going to happen in the future?

741
00:35:48.659 --> 00:35:50.760
It's funny too, isn't it?

742
00:35:50.820 --> 00:35:53.880
Because she denies that he's her boyfriend.

743
00:35:53.940 --> 00:35:55.980
He says he corrects it, doesn't he?

744
00:35:55.980 --> 00:35:58.139
and says boyfriend when she says friend.

745
00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:00.840
He does, and I'd never noticed that before, and I think it might

746
00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:04.739
be an artefact of there being a two-year gap between when that

747
00:36:04.739 --> 00:36:07.260
happens and when the doctor comes back and she's going to marry

748
00:36:07.260 --> 00:36:11.219
him at that stage, they might only just be sort of dating.

749
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:14.579
Except that next week.

750
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:17.579
She still doesn't know whether she'll end up marrying him.

751
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:18.840
Like, quite explicitly.

752
00:36:18.900 --> 00:36:19.619
She wonders.

753
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:23.699
Remember the voting machine is about to save her marital status in

754
00:36:23.699 --> 00:36:23.880
it.

755
00:36:23.940 --> 00:36:24.659
It doesn't.

756
00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:25.320
Yeah, yeah.

757
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:27.840
So she is this is part of her arc.

758
00:36:27.900 --> 00:36:32.880
She's embarrassed to admit that she's in a relationship with Rory

759
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:33.599
to the doctor.

760
00:36:33.900 --> 00:36:39.719
And that relationship just develops to be absolutely the opposite

761
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:44.099
of that, where by the end of the season, she will prioritise Rory

762
00:36:44.099 --> 00:36:46.440
over the doctor absolutely every time.

763
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:49.619
And it flips in the middle of the season.

764
00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:51.599
I think it's terrific.

765
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:06.960
I'd love to thank you brought up Jeff.

766
00:37:07.019 --> 00:37:10.079
Because he was in Merlin.

767
00:37:10.139 --> 00:37:11.460
He was one of the knights in Merlin.

768
00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:12.719
So I knew him from that.

769
00:37:12.780 --> 00:37:16.559
So I thought, oh, and I think he went on to do black sales and he

770
00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:20.340
got crispified in Game of Thrones after.

771
00:37:20.460 --> 00:37:21.300
Yeah, Melric Academy.

772
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:26.820
But he's actually also quite sexualised in terms of like, Jeff, get

773
00:37:26.820 --> 00:37:28.860
a girlfriend and delete your internet history.

774
00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:31.800
In fact, this is the 1st time the doctor's ever seen porn.

775
00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:35.219
Well, on screen anyway.

776
00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:38.099
Wasn't there something where Perchwee was in some sort of thing

777
00:37:38.099 --> 00:37:39.059
forced to watch something?

778
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:40.619
Yeah, that might have been porn.

779
00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:43.079
And there might have been porn in Space Museum among all those

780
00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:43.920
walruses.

781
00:37:44.940 --> 00:37:47.940
How did the 1st doctor break his monitor?

782
00:37:48.780 --> 00:37:51.719
Susan came in threw something at the screen.

783
00:37:51.780 --> 00:37:54.719
But it's quite explicit, like...

784
00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:56.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no. a phrisexual.

785
00:37:56.699 --> 00:37:57.420
Yeah, yeah.

786
00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:00.780
Again, it's Moffat doing sex comedy, which is his absolute

787
00:38:00.780 --> 00:38:01.559
wheelhouse.

788
00:38:01.619 --> 00:38:05.460
And I, you know, it's not that I think it's inappropriate for

789
00:38:05.460 --> 00:38:08.039
children because that sort of thing just sales over kids' heads.

790
00:38:08.099 --> 00:38:09.599
It doesn't matter, you know?

791
00:38:09.659 --> 00:38:12.179
But eventually I think it will become a problem.

792
00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:14.699
I just think it's very convenient that we just happen to break

793
00:38:14.699 --> 00:38:18.059
into Annette Crosby's house, and we love her from one foot in the

794
00:38:18.059 --> 00:38:21.059
grave, and we already had her husband back in the RU, my mummy

795
00:38:21.059 --> 00:38:22.440
episode, so we both own them.

796
00:38:22.500 --> 00:38:25.440
But it's just interesting how like these 2 characters that Amy

797
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:28.260
happens to know and other people in the village like we never see

798
00:38:28.260 --> 00:38:28.440
again.

799
00:38:28.500 --> 00:38:32.159
Like again, Stephen's not interested in going down that track.

800
00:38:32.219 --> 00:38:35.880
So the world building is just basically the doctor, Amy, and

801
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:38.159
eventually, of course, Rory and River.

802
00:38:38.219 --> 00:38:39.599
That's what is interesting.

803
00:38:39.659 --> 00:38:42.000
But this episode.

804
00:38:42.059 --> 00:38:44.760
We've still got like Russell.

805
00:38:44.820 --> 00:38:49.320
We've still got people she knows, the boyfriend, a potential

806
00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:49.860
boyfriend.

807
00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:51.000
There's still a world there.

808
00:38:51.059 --> 00:38:51.480
Yeah.

809
00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:55.800
So as I said earlier, like there's wrappings of Russell, but it's

810
00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:56.519
really not going there.

811
00:38:56.579 --> 00:39:00.300
We'll go back to the house again, weren't we, at the end of the at

812
00:39:00.300 --> 00:39:01.079
the end of the season.

813
00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:05.400
And we will see Caitlin Blackwood again at the end of the season.

814
00:39:05.460 --> 00:39:09.539
I heard someone online complaining about throwing away Annette

815
00:39:09.539 --> 00:39:13.260
Crosby and Olivia Coleman on very small roles.

816
00:39:13.260 --> 00:39:15.599
What about Cully from the Dominators?

817
00:39:15.659 --> 00:39:18.119
And Cully from the Dominators, obviously.

818
00:39:18.179 --> 00:39:19.500
Yeah, what was that all about?

819
00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:22.679
But hang on, you cast good people in those roles and that's what

820
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:23.639
lifts them.

821
00:39:23.699 --> 00:39:25.260
That's what makes them.

822
00:39:25.260 --> 00:39:26.760
That's what those roles are for.

823
00:39:26.820 --> 00:39:27.059
Yeah.

824
00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:28.440
It's overcasting.

825
00:39:28.500 --> 00:39:29.639
I think it's a great thing.

826
00:39:29.699 --> 00:39:30.480
Exactly.

827
00:39:30.539 --> 00:39:33.960
It's just putting the little moments, the little highlights of

828
00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:35.099
jewellery in the tiara.

829
00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:36.960
I think so too.

830
00:39:37.019 --> 00:39:40.860
I think, you know, complaining that they've cast too good an actor

831
00:39:40.860 --> 00:39:43.320
in this role is seems like a very strange thing to be doing.

832
00:39:43.380 --> 00:39:49.019
When we had the lockdown tweet along of the 11th hour, which

833
00:39:49.019 --> 00:39:53.159
Stephen Moffatt joined in on, and so did Matt and Karen, and

834
00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:57.000
Arthur, I think, um, Stephen Moffatt said, oh, here's Olivia

835
00:39:57.000 --> 00:40:00.480
Coleman in what I like to think of as her breakout role.

836
00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:05.760
It's funny you say that because because I knew who she was, like

837
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:08.940
because you see her early in the episode, like in one of the

838
00:40:08.940 --> 00:40:09.239
beds.

839
00:40:09.300 --> 00:40:12.539
And I said, oh, I know who that is, but I didn't really know her.

840
00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:13.260
Yeah.

841
00:40:13.260 --> 00:40:14.760
Like we know, know her now.

842
00:40:14.820 --> 00:40:18.840
And then when she comes back later with her girls and gets to

843
00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:21.239
deliver all that biting dialogue to the doctor, she's just

844
00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:23.159
delicious.

845
00:40:23.219 --> 00:40:26.519
Well, I mean, it's the doctor's 1st confrontation with a villain

846
00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:28.920
and the villain is played by Olivia Coleman.

847
00:40:28.980 --> 00:40:32.519
I think it's superb and she is really, really, really good.

848
00:40:32.579 --> 00:40:34.380
She's really good in it.

849
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:36.840
Were they thinking of her as the doctor?

850
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:38.699
How could they not?

851
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:40.320
Yeah, how could they not?

852
00:40:40.380 --> 00:40:43.860
Well, I have to think because she had that starring role in

853
00:40:43.860 --> 00:40:49.380
Broadchurch that Chris Chibnall must have had her at the top of

854
00:40:49.380 --> 00:40:53.639
the list, but we know he did, in fact, that's been revealed for

855
00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:55.019
Gymnal series.

856
00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:56.159
But what about now?

857
00:40:56.219 --> 00:40:57.960
What about back for season?

858
00:40:58.019 --> 00:41:00.780
I don't think Stephen ever seriously entertained casting a female

859
00:41:00.780 --> 00:41:01.500
doctor.

860
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:02.760
But she had to have been in the mix.

861
00:41:02.820 --> 00:41:04.260
Like, just passion.

862
00:41:04.260 --> 00:41:06.300
I virtue of being there and so good.

863
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:07.199
Yeah, yeah.

864
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:10.199
And I think she'd already done beautiful people, hadn't she?

865
00:41:10.260 --> 00:41:11.219
Yes, and peep show.

866
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:14.039
Oh yeah, of course. show.

867
00:41:14.099 --> 00:41:16.199
I think British.

868
00:41:16.260 --> 00:41:20.280
The British would know her much better than like Australians at

869
00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:21.059
this point in time.

870
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:23.099
I mean, we watch a lot of British TV.

871
00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:24.119
So I knew who she was.

872
00:41:24.179 --> 00:41:24.840
Yeah.

873
00:41:24.900 --> 00:41:28.199
Well, she actually says in the David Tennant podcast, interview

874
00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:32.340
that she does, that her real breakout role is Broadchurch, and

875
00:41:32.340 --> 00:41:35.280
that's the moment where it becomes difficult for her to go out in

876
00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:37.079
public without being recognised and stuff.

877
00:41:37.139 --> 00:41:40.260
I mean, people knew her from Peep show, but she became really

878
00:41:40.260 --> 00:41:42.780
quite famous with Broadchurch.

879
00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:59.099
Can we talk about the doctor?

880
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:00.239
Because...

881
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:01.139
Absolutely not.

882
00:42:02.340 --> 00:42:07.920
Because in rows, and then again, in Christmas invasion, the 2

883
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:13.019
previous stories that introduce a new doctor, we hold off on

884
00:42:13.019 --> 00:42:19.500
introducing the doctor, and we actually create a world or go back

885
00:42:19.500 --> 00:42:23.699
to a sort of established world and we're forced to wait to see

886
00:42:23.699 --> 00:42:27.119
what the doctor's going to be like, and people talk about the

887
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:29.460
doctor, and then he turns up.

888
00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:31.199
And you want him to be there.

889
00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:33.659
Yeah, at that and you have that longing.

890
00:42:33.780 --> 00:42:37.559
And here, well, we've got a whole new team.

891
00:42:37.619 --> 00:42:39.599
You've got to put in front of the centre.

892
00:42:39.659 --> 00:42:43.380
Yeah, you've got no one else to sort of hold onto, but I think it

893
00:42:43.380 --> 00:42:48.119
is also just a deliberate decision that Matt is in nearly every

894
00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:48.780
scene.

895
00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:50.519
And it's quite surprising.

896
00:42:50.579 --> 00:42:53.820
It's when Amy hits him in the face with a cricket bat and then we

897
00:42:53.820 --> 00:42:58.260
cut to the hospital and that's the 1st scene at that point that

898
00:42:58.260 --> 00:42:59.400
doesn't have the doctor in it.

899
00:42:59.460 --> 00:43:04.800
And he is absolutely just compelling to watch.

900
00:43:04.860 --> 00:43:07.019
Breath of fresh air.

901
00:43:07.139 --> 00:43:12.420
Sorry to roll up my cliches, but I just adore him.

902
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:16.500
He just has this frantic energy and the ability to deliver lines

903
00:43:16.500 --> 00:43:20.820
in a way that you never thought possible that works, and I don't

904
00:43:20.820 --> 00:43:23.820
know how many takes he does of things or anything like that, but

905
00:43:23.820 --> 00:43:25.440
just the whole story.

906
00:43:25.500 --> 00:43:30.900
I just adore watching what he's doing, as well as Murray Gold's

907
00:43:30.900 --> 00:43:35.280
little doctorary theme coming in as it goes along, you know?

908
00:43:35.340 --> 00:43:38.940
And you've got the Geronimo and you've got that who's the man

909
00:43:38.940 --> 00:43:40.019
that's never going to happen again.

910
00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:43.139
But all those things just make it.

911
00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:46.619
We have moments back to.

912
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:50.039
Maybe it's the outsider's view, although I wouldn't hardly call

913
00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:53.579
Stephen Moffat an outsider, but I'm getting real flashes of the

914
00:43:53.579 --> 00:43:58.380
potential of Paul McGann and how excited we were in that story by

915
00:43:58.380 --> 00:44:02.579
McGann's performance in the same way than as when we were really

916
00:44:02.579 --> 00:44:04.619
little with Tom's surprises.

917
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:08.880
And I would say if we were older with Pat Troughton's surprising

918
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:09.300
moments.

919
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:10.739
It's what makes the doctor the doctor.

920
00:44:10.860 --> 00:44:13.500
But it's also the way that Mothat will take the program.

921
00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:15.480
In Moffat situation of the program.

922
00:44:15.539 --> 00:44:17.039
The doctor is at the centre of it.

923
00:44:17.099 --> 00:44:19.860
Things revolve around the doctor.

924
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:24.599
Stories are created about the doctor and about people know him and

925
00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:27.780
the universe is aware of him, and you get stories about his

926
00:44:27.780 --> 00:44:30.119
background, which you haven't had in the past.

927
00:44:30.179 --> 00:44:34.079
So Moffa is interested in the doctor as a character rather than a

928
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:34.559
catalyst.

929
00:44:34.619 --> 00:44:38.039
That's really interesting you say, like, the universe knows him

930
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:42.000
because Olivia Coleman's character says, time for what?

931
00:44:42.059 --> 00:44:42.780
Time Lord.

932
00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:43.679
Yeah, right?

933
00:44:43.739 --> 00:44:47.639
And then, yeah, it's just like he is known.

934
00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:52.619
And then, of course, the Atraxi later in his showdown. can bring

935
00:44:52.619 --> 00:44:56.460
up all these images of him and all the monsters that he's defended

936
00:44:56.460 --> 00:44:58.019
the earth from, like he is known.

937
00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:06.780
I think that what Moffatt is interested in is Doctor Who as a type

938
00:45:06.780 --> 00:45:07.619
of story.

939
00:45:07.739 --> 00:45:15.119
And even though the universe that Doctor Who is set in doesn't

940
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:18.840
revolve around the doctor, you know, up to now, like the doctor's

941
00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:22.019
just a person in that universe travelling around and interacting

942
00:45:22.019 --> 00:45:26.280
with people, a Doctor Who story does centre on the doctor because

943
00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:29.400
he's the main character and he's the person who will resolve it

944
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:34.860
and because Moffat isn't creating a coherent universe for these

945
00:45:34.860 --> 00:45:36.780
stories to take place in.

946
00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:40.320
I mean, he blows up the universe at the end of episode 12.

947
00:45:40.619 --> 00:45:43.139
He's not creating a universe.

948
00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:47.760
He's telling a type of story and that type of story has to centre

949
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:48.599
on the doctor.

950
00:45:48.659 --> 00:45:54.119
And, you know, that's been how the program works since sometime in

951
00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:57.780
the middle of the Hartnell era where the doctor stops being the

952
00:45:57.780 --> 00:46:02.940
crazy old man who gets them into trouble and starts being the hero

953
00:46:02.940 --> 00:46:04.980
you know, the main character in the show.

954
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:09.900
And so the doctor does become centred and it does become about

955
00:46:09.900 --> 00:46:13.199
questions about the doctor's identity and when there are character

956
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:17.099
arcs, they're not about bad will for Mr. Saxon or things like that

957
00:46:17.099 --> 00:46:20.639
they're all about the doctor and who the doctor is and maybe even

958
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:23.699
what the doctor's relationship with the companion is.

959
00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:25.500
What his name is, et cetera.

960
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:26.280
Yeah, yeah.

961
00:46:26.340 --> 00:46:32.460
But I, I mean, I don't mind that, but you can see Moffatt having

962
00:46:32.460 --> 00:46:37.079
anxieties about it himself because, you know, the doctor tries to

963
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:41.519
sort of wipe himself out of history at the end of series 6.

964
00:46:41.579 --> 00:46:41.940
Yeah.

965
00:46:41.940 --> 00:46:42.420
Yeah.

966
00:46:43.139 --> 00:46:46.139
Can we talk about that hero moment at the end?

967
00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:48.000
Where he calls them back.

968
00:46:48.059 --> 00:46:48.960
Yeah.

969
00:46:49.019 --> 00:46:49.619
Yeah.

970
00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:51.059
Enough of the raggedy.

971
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:56.039
And he steps through the past images of the doctor and he's got

972
00:46:56.039 --> 00:46:56.940
the bow tie.

973
00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:00.239
Well, in fact, we don't see the bow tie.

974
00:47:00.300 --> 00:47:03.360
The bow tie is actually really, really clever, right?

975
00:47:03.420 --> 00:47:08.880
So he steals all those clothes just like the 3rd doctor and the

976
00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:12.480
8th doctor had before him in a hospital stealing clothes from

977
00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:13.320
people's lockers.

978
00:47:13.380 --> 00:47:16.619
Yeah, another Doctor Who introduction story that owes a debt to

979
00:47:16.619 --> 00:47:17.460
spearhead from space.

980
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:18.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

981
00:47:18.599 --> 00:47:20.159
I'd add terror of the autons to that.

982
00:47:20.219 --> 00:47:21.900
I'd add Smith and Jones.

983
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:23.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

984
00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:26.760
And so he's basically dressed, right?

985
00:47:26.820 --> 00:47:32.699
But he has like these crappy nylon ties around his neck, like a

986
00:47:32.699 --> 00:47:34.320
collection of these sort of terrible ties.

987
00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:36.840
And he's trying them on when he gets onto the roof.

988
00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:44.400
And it's only, we see him tie, but we don't see the tie until he

989
00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:48.960
steps through that ball, that projection ball showing all the

990
00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:49.800
previous doctors.

991
00:47:49.860 --> 00:47:51.780
And we can see that he ties it.

992
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:55.380
He's clearly settled on a tie, but that's the moment that he

993
00:47:55.380 --> 00:47:56.280
becomes a doctor.

994
00:47:56.340 --> 00:48:01.079
And it's really, really fun, that the bow tie, which is not cool

995
00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:05.280
is absolutely emblematic of the doctor.

996
00:48:05.340 --> 00:48:07.559
He becomes the doctor when he puts the bow tie on.

997
00:48:07.619 --> 00:48:11.639
He stops being the doctor when he drops the bow tie to the floor

998
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:13.920
in time of the doctor.

999
00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:16.139
Poetry isn't it?

1000
00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:16.739
It's wonderful.

1001
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:18.780
I mean that scene is absolutely incredible.

1002
00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:21.480
And imagine Tennant doing that scene.

1003
00:48:21.539 --> 00:48:24.420
All the teeth acting and showboating and stuff that would have

1004
00:48:24.420 --> 00:48:26.039
gone into that sort of speech.

1005
00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:28.440
Oh, Sean David Tennis.

1006
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:30.539
Look, I mean, he's wonderful in all sorts of ways.

1007
00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:33.000
But the way that Matt underplays it.

1008
00:48:33.059 --> 00:48:36.599
The way that he underplays it, and how threatening he seems

1009
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:41.340
without shouting, when he says there's a tightness around his

1010
00:48:41.340 --> 00:48:46.139
mouth, when he says, I'm the doctor, basically run.

1011
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:51.179
And he, it's really, really, really quite threatening. sort of

1012
00:48:51.179 --> 00:48:53.219
like mafia, you know, if you know what's good for you.

1013
00:48:53.340 --> 00:48:54.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1014
00:48:54.900 --> 00:48:56.219
It's incredible, I think.

1015
00:48:56.280 --> 00:48:58.860
Really, really quite extraordinary.

1016
00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:03.780
And it's a scene that is just absolutely the doctor's Aristea, his

1017
00:49:03.780 --> 00:49:08.579
hero moment where he does what River Song said that he was capable

1018
00:49:08.579 --> 00:49:10.260
of doing in silence of the library.

1019
00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:12.780
And you know, Moffat would have been delighted to get in some

1020
00:49:12.780 --> 00:49:15.360
flashbacks there of the occasional sea devil.

1021
00:49:15.420 --> 00:49:16.260
Yeah, yeah.

1022
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:19.860
But that's also his agenda too, is like in that sequence.

1023
00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:23.460
Suddenly you were getting more flashes of classic who, which he's

1024
00:49:23.460 --> 00:49:28.679
going to keep on introducing as a sort of a maybe a buildup to a

1025
00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:31.739
long-term plan, the 50th or whatever, or you can look at it like

1026
00:49:31.739 --> 00:49:33.780
the 80s where the show sort of looked in upon itself.

1027
00:49:33.900 --> 00:49:38.760
But something that Russell actively tried to avoid a lot of the

1028
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:42.719
time, less so towards the end of his time, but it's suddenly here

1029
00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:45.599
in flashbacks and it will, it'll keep on popping up.

1030
00:49:45.659 --> 00:49:48.960
Yeah, I mean, Moffatt is the showrunner that heals the rift

1031
00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:51.900
between classic and new series.

1032
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:53.099
Agreed.

1033
00:49:53.219 --> 00:49:57.360
And you know, it's a shame because as much as I love Matt's outfit

1034
00:49:57.360 --> 00:49:57.840
it comes through.

1035
00:49:57.900 --> 00:50:02.519
He does look very good in David's raggedy costume, and I think

1036
00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:05.280
there is a precedent for doctors looking good in their

1037
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:07.079
predecessors outfits. already?

1038
00:50:07.139 --> 00:50:08.340
Yeah, absolutely.

1039
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:10.500
Jodie looks wonderful in this outfit.

1040
00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:14.219
Silve looks much better in Colin's outfit than Colin does.

1041
00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:15.239
Yeah.

1042
00:50:15.300 --> 00:50:19.559
But I love I love it when, like, Prisoner Zero turns into the

1043
00:50:19.559 --> 00:50:23.159
doctor and doctor going, oh, he's that. that's a bit rubbish.

1044
00:50:23.219 --> 00:50:24.480
Is that meant to be?

1045
00:50:24.659 --> 00:50:27.780
That's another brilliant moment because it's suddenly in the

1046
00:50:27.780 --> 00:50:28.800
doctrine, you kind of think what?

1047
00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:32.159
And then when Caitlin steps out from behind, that bit of direction

1048
00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:36.300
and again, how evil she is as as prisoners error is just another

1049
00:50:36.300 --> 00:50:42.119
wonderful moment in this direction-wise acting wise and yeah.

1050
00:50:42.179 --> 00:50:44.340
See, one thing about that scene.

1051
00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:47.699
And one thing that we haven't touched on in his portrayal of the

1052
00:50:47.699 --> 00:50:49.380
doctor is that the doctor is suddenly clever.

1053
00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:50.760
He's suddenly Sherlock Holmes.

1054
00:50:50.820 --> 00:50:53.400
And so he does these deductions.

1055
00:50:53.460 --> 00:50:58.619
So he deduces that Rory knows something important because he's not

1056
00:50:58.619 --> 00:51:02.820
looking at the sun, he's looking at something else, and he's able

1057
00:51:02.820 --> 00:51:05.820
to sort of deduce all kinds of things here.

1058
00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:09.840
And so you get this face off where the doctor outwits prisoner

1059
00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:12.179
Zero by being incredibly clever.

1060
00:51:12.239 --> 00:51:17.699
And then prisoner 0 outwits the doctor by, and, and you know, like

1061
00:51:17.699 --> 00:51:20.519
the doctor's scheme is super complicated.

1062
00:51:20.579 --> 00:51:24.840
There's going to be zeros on every screen, the attracti will trace

1063
00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:25.739
it to the phone.

1064
00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:31.440
They'll see the photos of the various coma patients on the phone

1065
00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:34.559
so they'll be able to recognise them as prisoner zero.

1066
00:51:34.619 --> 00:51:38.099
It's actually quite complicated And then prisoner Zero thwarts

1067
00:51:38.099 --> 00:51:42.780
that by appearing as Caitlin holding hands with the doctor.

1068
00:51:42.780 --> 00:51:47.460
And then the doctor thwarts prisoner Zero again by remembering

1069
00:51:47.460 --> 00:51:52.739
that Amy saw prisoner Zero in its original form and getting Amy's

1070
00:51:52.739 --> 00:51:55.559
subconscious to make prisoner Zero look like himself again.

1071
00:51:56.280 --> 00:51:58.260
What's he hanging from?

1072
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:01.139
Yes, I always wondered the ceiling tiles.

1073
00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:04.500
There's very thin grip. like a baby Jagrafest.

1074
00:52:07.619 --> 00:52:08.820
That means we don't have to do legs.

1075
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:10.440
They're very hard in CG.

1076
00:52:10.500 --> 00:52:14.699
Yeah, this was a lot plotier than I remembered it being.

1077
00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:17.699
It's quite, it gets a little bit convoluted, I think, in the

1078
00:52:17.699 --> 00:52:18.059
details.

1079
00:52:18.119 --> 00:52:19.019
And I mean, that's fine.

1080
00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:21.179
It's not important at all.

1081
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:22.860
But in a way, the story is very simple.

1082
00:52:22.980 --> 00:52:25.920
So the doctor meets Amy as a child.

1083
00:52:25.980 --> 00:52:29.760
Then we establish what the threat is posed by the attraction

1084
00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:30.780
prisoner zero.

1085
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:35.159
And then, you know, the doctor goes and sees Jeff, they go to the

1086
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:38.940
hospital, they have that chat, and we resolve the problem.

1087
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:43.260
As far as, you know, like a plot beats go, it's fairly simple.

1088
00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:46.079
But story simple, plotting's not simple.

1089
00:52:46.139 --> 00:52:49.980
Yeah, and I think, I think too, that one of the things that Moffat

1090
00:52:49.980 --> 00:52:52.500
wants to do is to make the doctor clever again.

1091
00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:57.840
That the, you know, tenants doctor is clever, but even when

1092
00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:01.320
Moffat's writing the previous doctors, writing for Chris and

1093
00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:01.980
David.

1094
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:04.860
He makes the doctor clever.

1095
00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:10.199
He gives the doctor puzzles to solve and writes him as clever in

1096
00:53:10.199 --> 00:53:11.940
the way that he solves them.

1097
00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:13.980
And that's that is a feature.

1098
00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:17.219
You know, like David Tennant's doctor tells us he's clever

1099
00:53:17.219 --> 00:53:17.639
remember?

1100
00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:20.820
But I don't recall.

1101
00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:21.659
When did he do that?

1102
00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:24.539
He literally does it in midnight.

1103
00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:29.820
But the doctor that Moffatt writes is actually clever and we see

1104
00:53:29.820 --> 00:53:30.840
him solving things.

1105
00:53:30.900 --> 00:53:35.159
And that works with Smith's delivery as well, because Smith is

1106
00:53:35.159 --> 00:53:37.199
visibly thinking as well.

1107
00:53:37.260 --> 00:53:41.460
You know, like you can see the way that he delivers the way that

1108
00:53:41.460 --> 00:53:45.059
he pauses when he's speaking. you know, as if he's thinking of the

1109
00:53:45.059 --> 00:53:46.139
next word to say.

1110
00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:49.199
Sometimes, you know, you know, it's just a torrent of words with

1111
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:49.800
David.

1112
00:53:49.860 --> 00:53:53.400
But there's a real sort of deliberateness to the way that Smith's

1113
00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:53.940
doctor speaks.

1114
00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:56.280
And it makes him seem clever.

1115
00:53:56.340 --> 00:53:57.360
And I love that.

1116
00:53:57.420 --> 00:54:01.440
That's why I love the doctor, you know, because the doctor's

1117
00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:03.000
clever, he outwits his enemies.

1118
00:54:03.059 --> 00:54:05.280
There's a sense, though, I think that Moffat is challenging

1119
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:07.440
himself, because of course Moffat's an extremely clever man.

1120
00:54:07.500 --> 00:54:07.980
Yeah.

1121
00:54:07.980 --> 00:54:11.099
And so he's setting himself challenges in the rising.

1122
00:54:11.159 --> 00:54:13.619
And as ever, the doctor is an analogue for the ricer.

1123
00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:17.639
And, you know, it's why he tells stories out of narrative order

1124
00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:21.780
because telling narrative order would be too simple and not

1125
00:54:21.780 --> 00:54:23.099
interesting enough for him.

1126
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:28.800
But I think it's really interesting, like you said, how simple it

1127
00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:30.420
is, like going from this location to that.

1128
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:31.980
Like, you can look at it at that level.

1129
00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:38.099
But you come back to Stephen's stories, and then you find all

1130
00:54:38.099 --> 00:54:40.920
these multi-layers and all this complication that is actually

1131
00:54:40.920 --> 00:54:43.679
going on underneath, and I think that's what makes it so

1132
00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:44.219
brilliant.

1133
00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:46.500
And how I enjoy.

1134
00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:49.559
A lot of it, sometimes I get a bit tired of things at certain

1135
00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:52.199
points in ahead.

1136
00:54:52.260 --> 00:54:56.400
But here it's refreshing and it's so appropriate.

1137
00:54:56.460 --> 00:55:01.619
The other thing is like, with these story arcs that Russell's

1138
00:55:01.619 --> 00:55:05.760
doing, as opposed to, um, Steven.

1139
00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:10.679
Like, again, we've got, obviously, is Amy's running away from her

1140
00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:11.159
wedding.

1141
00:55:11.219 --> 00:55:14.699
But it's explicitly stated in the dialogue, the universe is

1142
00:55:14.699 --> 00:55:15.119
cracked.

1143
00:55:15.179 --> 00:55:18.420
We've actually got the crack, the Pandorica will open silence

1144
00:55:18.420 --> 00:55:18.900
before.

1145
00:55:18.960 --> 00:55:20.340
All these things were repeated.

1146
00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:22.980
The doctor is aware of all this episode one.

1147
00:55:23.099 --> 00:55:24.300
Yeah, not...

1148
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:25.800
I'm on an adventure.

1149
00:55:25.860 --> 00:55:29.639
We hear the words Harold Saxon at some point, totally aware, and

1150
00:55:29.639 --> 00:55:32.639
then it just sort of all happens at the end of the season. seems

1151
00:55:32.639 --> 00:55:33.300
very different.

1152
00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:35.820
He sets up the whole season arc is there.

1153
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:38.400
We're going to hook people in episode one and what's this, what's

1154
00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:38.579
this?

1155
00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:41.760
I need to find it out for the entire year.

1156
00:55:41.820 --> 00:55:43.019
Yeah, yeah.

1157
00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:45.659
And just putting the icing on the cake as well.

1158
00:55:45.719 --> 00:55:49.559
If we ever had an episode title, which is that clever and means

1159
00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:50.159
that many things.

1160
00:55:50.219 --> 00:55:54.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because he's only got 20 minutes to save the

1161
00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:56.280
world, so he's saving it at the 11th hour.

1162
00:55:56.340 --> 00:55:59.460
It's why I'll always be disappointed that twice upon a time wasn't

1163
00:55:59.460 --> 00:56:00.420
called 12th night.

1164
00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:01.320
Yeah.

1165
00:56:01.380 --> 00:56:02.159
Oh.

1166
00:56:02.219 --> 00:56:04.559
That would have been brilliant.

1167
00:56:04.619 --> 00:56:04.920
Yeah.

1168
00:56:04.980 --> 00:56:06.179
Particularly around Christmas, right?

1169
00:56:16.860 --> 00:56:21.059
The doctor runs back to the Tartars, goes into it.

1170
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:21.900
We don't get to see it.

1171
00:56:22.860 --> 00:56:27.840
Again, harking back, perhaps, to Rose, where she goes in and then

1172
00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:28.980
out and we don't get to see it.

1173
00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:32.280
And then we have another time jump.

1174
00:56:32.579 --> 00:56:38.099
Yeah, so it's 2 years that she waits and we'll get to the point in

1175
00:56:38.099 --> 00:56:43.500
power of 3 where Amy says it's 10 years since the doctor came back

1176
00:56:43.500 --> 00:56:45.360
to Ledworth in the 11th hour.

1177
00:56:45.420 --> 00:56:48.360
And so these time jumps are going to be characteristic of their

1178
00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:51.420
relationship, but we don't get to see that because it's the story

1179
00:56:51.420 --> 00:56:52.139
of the doctor.

1180
00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:53.699
So we follow him all the time.

1181
00:56:53.940 --> 00:56:56.760
And then we get to go in to the Tartars.

1182
00:56:56.820 --> 00:56:58.019
What do we think of the sand?

1183
00:56:58.139 --> 00:56:59.880
Yeah, orange.

1184
00:56:59.940 --> 00:57:00.480
Yeah.

1185
00:57:00.539 --> 00:57:04.440
I think I like the reveal, and it's not done quite the same way as

1186
00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:05.880
it's done in other times.

1187
00:57:05.940 --> 00:57:12.239
Like we don't get to see the whole of the console room until Matt

1188
00:57:12.239 --> 00:57:17.159
has crossed that massive distance between the door and the console

1189
00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:20.699
and we keep a close-up on Amy's face and so we see the

1190
00:57:20.699 --> 00:57:21.119
background.

1191
00:57:21.179 --> 00:57:26.760
We see Amy's big emoji eyes there and and then we get to see the

1192
00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:29.340
doctor in the console uh room.

1193
00:57:29.460 --> 00:57:32.519
I'm not a massive fan.

1194
00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:34.559
In hindsight.

1195
00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:36.719
I'm not a massive fan.

1196
00:57:36.840 --> 00:57:39.599
I think at the time I was excited because it was so different and

1197
00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:41.820
there was obviously stairs going up and all sorts of things

1198
00:57:41.820 --> 00:57:42.360
happening.

1199
00:57:42.420 --> 00:57:47.280
Um, and there was nods sort of back to perhaps the telemovie

1200
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:48.599
console with things.

1201
00:57:48.659 --> 00:57:50.039
It's very busy.

1202
00:57:50.099 --> 00:57:51.900
I do like the glass floor.

1203
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:54.719
Yeah, I like the glass floor on the hammock and the stuff

1204
00:57:54.719 --> 00:57:58.019
underneath, you know, like it ends up being a good place to shoot

1205
00:57:58.019 --> 00:57:58.920
in, I think.

1206
00:57:58.980 --> 00:58:02.579
And the television, I love his little scanner, television pull

1207
00:58:02.579 --> 00:58:03.239
down scanner.

1208
00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:04.380
Do you love it?

1209
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:06.179
I'm not fan of the console itself.

1210
00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:09.659
I think it sort of goes off in weird directions with taps and

1211
00:58:09.659 --> 00:58:10.860
things like that.

1212
00:58:10.860 --> 00:58:11.699
It's ridiculous.

1213
00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:16.019
Yeah, nodding back to the shape of the brakaki, but still with the

1214
00:58:16.019 --> 00:58:17.039
coral motifs.

1215
00:58:17.159 --> 00:58:21.000
They could have just upturned an old piano on its side and just

1216
00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:23.579
shot it all like that because that's really what it all looks

1217
00:58:23.579 --> 00:58:23.820
like.

1218
00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:25.800
Yeah No, I think it looks like a junkyard.

1219
00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:26.760
I don't I don't like it.

1220
00:58:26.820 --> 00:58:29.519
And it is, the junkyard's right to be outside.

1221
00:58:29.579 --> 00:58:33.179
We're meant to be in the junkyard, not the junkyard. right. that's

1222
00:58:33.179 --> 00:58:34.980
right I mean, it's trying to be fairy tale.

1223
00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:38.099
It's trying to not be science fiction.

1224
00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:41.760
And so it's various magical objects stuck on a table, I guess.

1225
00:58:41.820 --> 00:58:44.760
It's one of those things which sounds like good idea as a concept

1226
00:58:44.760 --> 00:58:46.260
but just doesn't really come off.

1227
00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:48.059
But I love this...

1228
00:58:48.119 --> 00:58:49.980
I love the whole sequence from outside to inside.

1229
00:58:50.099 --> 00:58:51.599
So there's so much stuff going on.

1230
00:58:51.659 --> 00:58:53.400
Like he talks about bow ties are cool.

1231
00:58:53.460 --> 00:58:55.260
The girl who waited.

1232
00:58:56.519 --> 00:59:00.840
The new Sonic says dear to the TARDIS console.

1233
00:59:00.900 --> 00:59:04.980
You know, just all these little seeds of dialogue that is going to

1234
00:59:04.980 --> 00:59:08.519
keep recurring, that you don't think about at the time, but ends

1235
00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:13.019
up being something that Stephen will use time and time again that

1236
00:59:13.019 --> 00:59:15.659
and you just love it for that, that fact.

1237
00:59:15.659 --> 00:59:17.519
And, and the madman with a box.

1238
00:59:17.579 --> 00:59:19.139
Like that line is brilliant.

1239
00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:23.820
And when Matt goes, haha, yeah, that, the way he delivers that.

1240
00:59:23.820 --> 00:59:25.079
Yes, I know what you mean.

1241
00:59:25.079 --> 00:59:27.840
When he breathes out and does that, I was just like, and chills.

1242
00:59:27.900 --> 00:59:30.179
Yeah, he's really good. chill.

1243
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:34.380
You know, there is one ominous thing at the very end, and that is

1244
00:59:34.380 --> 00:59:39.539
that TV, which is the TV that is used to tell you what Matt's

1245
00:59:39.539 --> 00:59:43.440
thinking about because it shows a picture of the crack.

1246
00:59:43.500 --> 00:59:51.059
And we see it when Amy asks the doctor why he is taking her on

1247
00:59:51.059 --> 00:59:51.599
board.

1248
00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:54.840
And he says something about, oh, I'm very lonely.

1249
00:59:54.900 --> 01:00:02.039
So we see the crack on the wall depicted in the screen and it's

1250
01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:04.380
the doctor's ulterior motive for taking her on board.

1251
01:00:04.440 --> 01:00:06.960
She says, you know, why are you taking me on board?

1252
01:00:07.019 --> 01:00:09.179
He says, I'm talking to myself and it's giving me an earache or

1253
01:00:09.179 --> 01:00:11.400
whatever, and she says, oh, it's just because you're lonely then

1254
01:00:11.400 --> 01:00:12.239
and he says, yes.

1255
01:00:12.300 --> 01:00:16.559
But in fact, he has an ulterior motive right from the get go.

1256
01:00:16.619 --> 01:00:20.099
And then in season six, that's the same screen that will depict

1257
01:00:20.099 --> 01:00:22.440
Amy's quantum pregnancy.

1258
01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:25.380
He just wanted to know where all the ducks went.

1259
01:00:25.440 --> 01:00:27.059
If it's a duck pond.

1260
01:00:27.119 --> 01:00:28.500
Where are all the ducks?

1261
01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:32.880
But the ducks are gone in the same way that Amy's parents are

1262
01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:33.059
gone.

1263
01:00:33.239 --> 01:00:35.280
That's a massive crack.

1264
01:00:35.340 --> 01:00:36.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1265
01:00:36.300 --> 01:00:39.360
Well, I'm kind of thinking the ducks are back in Ledworth now that

1266
01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:40.739
it's all been fixed.

1267
01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:41.460
I don't know.

1268
01:00:41.519 --> 01:00:44.820
Well, people talk about, you know, there's a lot of emphasis given

1269
01:00:44.820 --> 01:00:46.980
to the duck and where all the ducks.

1270
01:00:47.039 --> 01:00:50.639
I think it's just a moffat joke because later when the doctor's

1271
01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:54.000
driving the fire engine. and he puts the ladder through the

1272
01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:54.300
window.

1273
01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:57.659
He sends Amy Pond a message saying duck.

1274
01:00:57.719 --> 01:00:58.260
Yeah.

1275
01:00:58.260 --> 01:01:03.659
But also, though, what we will discover is that massive, massive

1276
01:01:03.659 --> 01:01:07.619
house with all of its rooms has one or 2 people living in it.

1277
01:01:07.619 --> 01:01:14.519
And it's the absence of the rest of the ponds.

1278
01:01:14.579 --> 01:01:15.300
Yes, yes, yes.

1279
01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:20.460
And so I do think it does deliberately, it points towards exactly

1280
01:01:20.460 --> 01:01:21.420
what's going wrong.

1281
01:01:21.480 --> 01:01:24.360
The doctor will say to Amy, doesn't it worry you that your life

1282
01:01:24.360 --> 01:01:26.460
doesn't make any sense.

1283
01:01:26.519 --> 01:01:29.699
Why are you an orphan living in this massive, massive house with

1284
01:01:29.699 --> 01:01:30.480
all these rooms?

1285
01:01:30.539 --> 01:01:32.519
He might as well have said, where are all the ponds?

1286
01:01:32.579 --> 01:01:33.360
Yeah, yeah.

1287
01:01:33.420 --> 01:01:34.980
Dark.

1288
01:01:35.039 --> 01:01:36.059
Correct.

1289
01:02:03.119 --> 01:02:06.239
Well, good, listener, that's all we have time for this week.

1290
01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:10.079
We'll be back next week with the next chapter of this fairy tale

1291
01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:11.099
in The Beast Below.

1292
01:02:11.280 --> 01:02:15.000
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts

1293
01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:17.699
and you can keep up with us at Flightthrough Entirety on Facebook

1294
01:02:17.699 --> 01:02:20.880
at FTE podcast on Twitter, and on our website

1295
01:02:20.880 --> 01:02:23.699
FlightthroughEntirety.com, where you'll find links to our other

1296
01:02:23.699 --> 01:02:26.400
podcasts, Bondfinger and Jody into Tara.

1297
01:02:27.059 --> 01:02:31.559
Until next time, remember that when facing certain death at the

1298
01:02:31.559 --> 01:02:35.099
hands of a mysterious alien threat, it's very important to have

1299
01:02:35.099 --> 01:02:38.820
backup, or not to have backup, one of those.

1300
01:02:38.880 --> 01:02:41.400
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1301
01:02:41.460 --> 01:02:42.480
Good night.

1302
01:02:42.539 --> 01:02:43.619
See you soon.

1303
01:02:43.679 --> 01:02:45.599
Keep your nighties firmly pressed.

1304
01:02:49.079 --> 01:02:52.739
That was Flight through Entirety, starring Todd Bilby, Nathan

1305
01:02:52.739 --> 01:02:55.679
Bottomley, Peter Griffiths, and Richard Stone, theme arrangement

1306
01:02:55.679 --> 01:02:56.639
by Cameron Lamb.

1307
01:02:56.760 --> 01:03:00.239
This episode, tickers don't like bacon, was recorded on the 24th

1308
01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:03.300
of January 2021 and released on the 14th of March.

1309
01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:09.420
Today we're announcing the launch of the new FDE Kissogram service

1310
01:03:09.420 --> 01:03:12.480
in which an FDE host or guest comes over to your house for a quick

1311
01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:16.800
snog, dressed as an actor or character from the 1966 story, The

1312
01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:21.719
Ark, including, for this month only, Michael Sheard and Monicker

1313
01:03:21.719 --> 01:03:22.199
the Elephant.

1314
01:03:25.260 --> 01:03:27.719
There's only one other thing I'd like to discuss.

1315
01:03:27.780 --> 01:03:31.980
And that's the new theme tune, rearrangement.

1316
01:03:32.039 --> 01:03:34.860
I don't mind the theme tune rearrangement, but I do think that the

1317
01:03:34.860 --> 01:03:39.119
opening thing looks like a colonoscopy.

1318
01:03:40.260 --> 01:03:41.820
Oh, right.

1319
01:03:42.420 --> 01:03:44.699
Did I miss that with that?

1320
01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:46.380
Was that in terror of the vervoid?

1321
01:03:46.440 --> 01:03:48.179
Straight back to the car.

1322
01:03:48.239 --> 01:03:48.780
What?

1323
01:03:48.780 --> 01:03:52.019
An explosive colonoscopy.

1324
01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:54.300
I mean, the last time I don't remember it getting lightning.

1325
01:03:54.360 --> 01:03:57.119
We're all over some of us are over 50.

1326
01:03:57.300 --> 01:03:57.900
That's right.

1327
01:03:57.960 --> 01:03:59.820
We know what we're talking about. is a sensitive topic.

1328
01:03:59.880 --> 01:04:00.780
What made him regenerate?

1329
01:04:00.900 --> 01:04:03.179
I didn't like it when it 1st started.

1330
01:04:03.239 --> 01:04:06.000
You know that whole little intro bit?

1331
01:04:06.059 --> 01:04:10.440
But now, the moment I hear that, it's like, this is a Matt Smith

1332
01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:15.539
episode, and besides a few clangers here or there, it's Matt Smith

1333
01:04:15.539 --> 01:04:16.320
so I'm gonna like it.

1334
01:04:16.380 --> 01:04:21.480
And it's just, well, yeah, it's that's what it is, and I love it.

1335
01:04:21.539 --> 01:04:24.119
It's just like the sea devil, a few clangers here and there.

1336
01:04:24.599 --> 01:04:26.940
Yeah, no, absolutely.

1337
01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:29.880
And you, I didn't particularly like it at the time.

1338
01:04:29.940 --> 01:04:32.099
I didn't feel particularly strongly about it, but now it is

1339
01:04:32.099 --> 01:04:34.860
resonant of that particular era.

1340
01:04:34.920 --> 01:04:37.920
And so, you know, it makes you happy because you know that what

1341
01:04:37.920 --> 01:04:39.900
you're going to watch is likely to be pretty good.

1342
01:04:39.960 --> 01:04:44.159
I just think that this whole episode is, it's my favourite

1343
01:04:44.159 --> 01:04:48.659
introduction to a doctor in New Pooh.

1344
01:04:48.719 --> 01:04:49.260
Yep, right?

1345
01:04:49.320 --> 01:04:51.900
I think it might be my favourite introduction to a doctor full

1346
01:04:51.900 --> 01:04:52.199
stop.

1347
01:04:52.260 --> 01:04:54.300
I give it 11 out of 10.

1348
01:04:54.840 --> 01:04:57.179
Sorry, I had to get that in, people.

1349
01:04:57.360 --> 01:04:59.699
All right, I think that's an out.

1350
01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:00.179
Yeah?

1351
01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:01.019
Alright.