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All right, now you can see we're recording.

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Look at the little sideways. the counter and then like a red, the

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international sign of recording. and sign waves.

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So this is Victory of the Daleks take two.

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We've recorded an entire episode before this.

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And today is the day of my humiliation, the 31st of January 2021.

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Hello, Alyssa, and welcome back to Fly Through Entirety, the only

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Doctor Who podcast Primed to Explode at the merest mention of the

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1984 Doctor Who classic Resurrection of the Daleks.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm James I'm Carl, and I'm just a cigar for this one.

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Oh, big it.

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An imperialist colonialist buttoned.

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And you know, probably a bit racist as well.

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Well, it's World War II.

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London is under constant attack, and the doctor's greatest enemies

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are about to return in a range of colours, each more Toyietic than

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the last.

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So all we can do is to stay calm and keep buggering on as we

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contemplate the ultimate victory of the daleks.

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This is every book colouring in book that gators grew up with

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isn't it?

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I mean, it is.

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We talked about Power of the Daleks previously on FGE, and we had

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a lot of fun with it, didn't we?

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We did.

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So this is him, obviously, going back and mining power of the

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Daleks for, and and I think to some degree, evil of the Daleks

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paradigms, progenitor.

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Yeah, that identity thing about are we Daleks or are we not?

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Are we lollies?

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Yeah, yeah, that's right.

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Are we mini coopers?

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So, Cole.

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Yes.

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Are you a Dalek man?

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I am a Dalek man.

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Particularly an Ironside Dalek man.

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I think they're gorgeous.

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I love the little Union Jack under the eye stalk, the army

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saddlebags on the side.

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I love that they're carting greens. should they?

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There should be an ethics cube calling.

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I feel like those things. your dad used to make when your mother

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was ignoring it.

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Pull up your Olympics, kids.

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And there's a lovely little figurine of them.

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I saw online yesterday where he had a little tray with a teacup.

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I thought that was really cute.

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And did it come with the extra vinyl Ian McNeese?

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That originally issued as a two-pack.

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You had to assemble it, I know.

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I have to wait for the reissue.

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I wish I bought it now.

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It's probably going to be huge after this podcast.

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Yeah, no. pounds and pounds for the meal on the interwips.

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I do think that Gatus gives the ironside some just utterly

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hilarious dialogue.

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And I do have at least one friend where every so often we'll turn

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to one another and go, you know, would you care for some tea?

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And there's some sort of a hilarious moment where Matt's wailing

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on one with a wrench and it says, um, you do not require tea, which

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I just think is absolutely spectacular.

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And it goes even further power of the Daleks, right?

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I think the Dalek offers someone, you know, a glass of liquid or

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something.

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Yeah, and the darlic carrying the military box file around is

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pretty fantastic.

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So we are back in London during the blitz, as we were way back in

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series one.

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How do you reckon this?

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uh, sort of version of London during the blitz dax art, Bridget.

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Well, I'm glad you asked.

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It does feel as if now Brexit had been not even disgusted at this

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stage.

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No, they've been discussing it ever.

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Honestly, it feels like a quality street assortment of what Brexit

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was going to bring back to us, wasn't it?

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Which is garage balloons, segues to dad's army offsiders, blowing

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raspberries. you know what I mean?

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Because if that little bloke in the ARP put those lights out, I

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think isn't Bill Pert, we would like to know what he...

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He's got a great Dennis Little moustache.

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I mean, imagine the mischief he could do to the Luftwaff with

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that.

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I've come away from this.

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At the time, I want to know what you and Coldford as well and

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James, I thought this is far too short for what it's trying to

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do.

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It was actually written, apparently, Gatus thought it would be 2

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parter.

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And so there's a lovely backstory with the girl in the war room

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who is a lady of colour.

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Apparently none of them would have either got a job there

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apparently, because, um, and then he's on record for saying this.

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The prime minister despised people who were not white and said, you

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know, and was all about taking whatever money and rich resources

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he could get out of India before Britain moved out.

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And he's on record for saying it.

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So I'm not, you know, I'm not putting anything that you can't just

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read.

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So he's not the, he's not the grandfatherly historical figure that

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a lot of British people like to see.

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You know, he gets very, almost, as far as we know, no tolerance

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for people have come.

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No, he was terribly wasted.

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I need to get that out.

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Because he's so freaking cuddly in this one, isn't he?

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I think it's a problem.

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And, you know, we recently had Doctor Who do the partition of

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India from 1947, which I'm not.

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He wasn't prime minister there and he was leader of the opposition

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but he was a huge supporter of partition.

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And it did see, you know, maybe up to 2000000 people, and maybe

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20000000 people displaced.

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But he was prime minister during the famine in Bengal in 1943

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which may have killed as many as 3000000 people.

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And he didn't care.

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He hated Gandhi.

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Oh, he actually, yeah.

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Absolutely despised Gandhi and tried, in fact, in every way good

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to have him signlined.

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And in fact, you know, we don't know the actual details, but he

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was very much for putting Gandhi out of the picture.

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So Doctor Who can sort of deal with that, as we saw from demons of

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the Punjab, even though that's mostly the story of actual Indian

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people, and not of the British people who caused it.

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Um, but nevertheless, in spite of that, you know, he still

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continues to be regarded very highly, and extremely highly.

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He's the picture boy for Brexit.

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Well, because it's that mid-20th century post-war Britain that we

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were kind of harking back to.

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It's it's Churchill in the 66 World Cup.

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That's really the only things that Britain talks about.

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It is, um, you know, Gatis does nostalgia and and that's his thing

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but nostalgia is a problem.

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I think just sort of politically.

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Um, and maybe, I don't know, like what do you do?

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I mean, I think it's unpleasant to have the doctor be quite so

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chummy with him.

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I like better the way they're going to do it in the future, spoiler

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alert when the doctor meets Nixon.

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I think that was handled much more delicately.

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And I would suggest, I'm with you on this one, Nathan, but perhaps

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when the doctor does deal with born Doctor Who deals with politics

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it takes something more of the purple era's position, which was

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lovely sitting in a very comfy chair.

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You're not actually convinced he's taking sides, although you'll

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take whatever port the cigars are going around.

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Yeah, which is actually worse if you stop and think about it.

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But anyway.

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I mean, nevertheless, McNese's performance is great. spot on and

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cuddly and lovely.

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Yes, yeah.

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And he's a fun character and it's no surprise they have him back.

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Yeah, and you might argue this is a children's show and we need

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heroes.

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That's why I think that it's not historically accurate, but it

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might have been the right choice to represent Churchill. sort of

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as that cuddly friend of the doctor, because it is a family show.

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And I kind of think that the grim and dark alternatives.

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They probably better suit like the Virgin New Adventures maybe

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or.

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Um, Do you think so, though?

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Because when Doctor Who does that and free ex-villains that are

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nuanced, I think we end up with a much more interesting story.

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Yeah, but how far do we go though?

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Do we make Churchill a villain?

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I mean, maybe more truthful.

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I don't know.

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I don't know that you could do that in a single part.

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The text is already too dense with this.

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And I guess we'll get to the paradigm Daleks, but maybe that

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shouldn't have been in this one.

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I do have a problem with it because it does align something

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important about Churchill that perhaps people should know about.

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Current Britain, when we look at what's happened recently and what

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was happening, you know, even at the time and the whip rush

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generation and how they were treated after this point.

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Oh, I think that Doctor Who handles this kind of thing very, very

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well.

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And actually always has, even in Billy's era, there are stories

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that touch on segregation.

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Savages is a great one.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So I think this is actually the place to discuss it because if

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anyone is going to get it.

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It's young people.

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I mean, they want to have Churchill because that makes the show

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more excited.

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Have you saved the country?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And and the end of last week's episode, that hilarious scene in

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the TARDIS on the phone where Amy's trying to narrow down who's

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called.

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Oh, it's the prime minister, prime minister of what?

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Which prime minister of Britain?

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You know, that's fun and funny.

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It's nearly a teaser for this episode.

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Actually, to be truthful.

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You didn't say the country during saving the country.

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That church will do nothing to help during when it was Turin's

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working on in your device that actually allowed the British naval

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forces to keep going those extra few months at that crucial

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point.

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So, and Churchill did nothing to help him during his scandalous

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incursions.

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If you if they ever reopen the borders again, go to Butchley

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Park.

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They've made it into a really interesting museum.

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We're touching on my picks of the week, this one.

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Now that we're doing picks of the week.

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This is one butter.

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We're doing a couple of things. if you love this story for the

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reason that I love this story and it is the nostalgia and it is

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the boy's own comic and it is all that.

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Spitfires and space bubbles.

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That's pure dandare.

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It's gorgeous Did you know that the man that created the Spitfire

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engine, the the bullet.

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Supermarine Spitfire engineer.

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The, the, Bill Dunn was Sheila Dunn's father.

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Oh, really?

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So, Petra, Petra, William's father.

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From your turno.

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Yeah.

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What?

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Yes, Dougie Campfield's bike.

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Came up with the Supermarine Merlin engine.

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Yeah, they're bulletproof.

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It had fantastic aluminium alloy. distance, it could go much, much

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faster and the heat distribution of using aluminium.

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How do we know this?

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Because with fan lawyers, that's how.

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And they could go into space.

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I mean, how ahead of his time is he...

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So we're in the cabinet war rooms, which I think have sort of been

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really quite well recreated.

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And if you, do you remember the Doctor Who Confidential?

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That where?

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I looked I looked to see if there was an episode for this one.

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I couldn't find it.

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So they still do confidential for series 5 and 6 and it's not

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quite the same as it was during the RTD years, but this one is

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actually Mark Gaze is in a very natty suit wandering around

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cabinet war rooms, isn't it?

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The real ones?

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Yes.

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Because I did read that he went there for research, yeah.

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I mean, they look really good.

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I think it's, it really kind of sells it, sort of smoke filled and

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full of action and stuff like that.

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And there are some kind of likeable characters, including Miss

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Breen, who Richard mentioned earlier.

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And there was going to be a whole other story about, you know, her

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it was being cocked very Bridgeton with her, her husband.

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Yeah.

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Well, so we get a little bit of that at the end.

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She actually gets told or hears, does she get a, she gets a, she

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hears that he's been lost in action.

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Yeah, they just got word or whatever. that he was shot down over

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the channel or something.

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It doesn't translate that well in the, in a one part of the, does

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it?

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Do you think?

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I mean, I kind of think we didn't even need to have it.

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I'm surprised it's still there.

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I mean, it doesn't go anywhere.

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No.

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Um, Ace's mother in Curse of Fenrich.

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Oh, yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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But, I mean, the problem is that it doesn't go anywhere, it

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doesn't seem to have anything to do with what there's.

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I mean, what are they saying about the war?

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There is a, you know, there's a reading of it where you get

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Churchill prepared to sort of team up with the Daleks to defeat

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the Nazis.

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And it's super weird because the dialects are sort of Nazis

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anyway.

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And there aren't really, you know, we don't actually see Nazis or

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anything in this.

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But, you know, the idea is there, I just don't think there is

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because Gatus.

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But are we edging, you know, is there a possibility of a critique

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of the British war effort?

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You know, it's the war that the Brits won.

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So they get to say that it was a moral war and a great triumph, and

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obviously their enemy was unspeakably evil.

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But we do have, you know, the bombing of Dresden.

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We do have, is it a bit of a moral stretch?

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You say that we are also culpable because we used dialects.

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Yes.

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It might be, but I mean, no, no.

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But you can see, you see that, you know, that, is it making a

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commentary on the British?

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Yeah, no, I think probably, is it?

302
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I think it's just that we're really right back from Whittaker

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Daleks, I'm calling that because he's the one that actually made

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them interesting.

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Yeah, he's editing that makes them so fascinating.

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And so nuanced, Steve, back in the day, and not just, and you can

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see when other lesser writers get hold of them, and certain

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directors, like Terry Nation, and it's just that it is just, but

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with this one, it's like trying to drive the 69 Cooper up a hill.

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Speaking of the chase, which is why I needed to reboot.

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Yes, but, um, every little boy and girl thought watching these

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things, oh, they're just like single person tanks, don't they?

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That's really what they are.

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So I was just like, 0 my god, you've been reading my mind, my

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child mind, Mr. Ages.

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So it's this season, really, from his food, Mr. Moffatt, and his

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contemporaries is all about what to be loved most as a child.

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Can I just say my 1st drawing of Doctor Who, at the age of 9, was

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just a square with a head popping out of it, and it was the time

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that Crashland had been looked at from the bottom with these

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doctor's head pods?

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That's actually what in my drawing, I did that fat age.

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And so I love it that the 1st thing we see as a doctor is what a 9

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year old imagined the most exciting thing the doctor could ever

325
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have was a crash land at times.

326
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So do you think that this sort of weird idealised nostalgic

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storybook version of Britney in World War 2?

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Is like just part of the theme of the season as a whole.

329
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I mean, it's an interesting choice.

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The Daleks in a World War 2 story, I mean, everyone, everyone

331
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knows how that they resulted as an analogue for the Nazis and it

332
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seems maybe a little bit too, um, I don't know.

333
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I see Gatus getting very excited with the idea of maybe getting a

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little bit carried away with himself.

335
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Could sort of see him going, ooh, Daleks and Nazis.

336
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Oh, World War II.

337
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Oh, Churchill.

338
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Oh.

339
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Yeah, yeah, he did that confidential.

340
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Yeah, it doesn't mean that.

341
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But it is the back page of a TV 21 colour by numbers.

342
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Do you remember that dalek stratagem board game, which was just

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snakes and ladders with a few diets withdrawn?

344
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One of the things.

345
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Yeah, I mean, that's all this actually is.

346
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I don't know that it even works on any deeper level, doesn't it?

347
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I don't think it's necessarily even trying to.

348
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But then again, it's Doctor Who.

349
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So even unwittingly, it always does touch on those things.

350
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Yeah.

351
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I think that it's a bit of a mess.

352
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It's trying to do a hell of a long 45 minutes.

353
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That's the, that's it.

354
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That's exactly it.

355
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And I think the 1st 13.5 minutes and I did actually count it, is

356
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actually really good engaging Doctor Who.

357
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Well paced, isn't it?

358
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For that 1st part, yeah.

359
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But then there's so much.

360
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There's so much they try and cram into the remaining sort of 28

361
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minutes or whatever.

362
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I think it suffers for it.

363
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You know why, Paul, don't you?

364
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Why?

365
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Because that 1st part you just talked about is the original script

366
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of the 2 part.

367
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Yes.

368
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So this is what, I mean, I walked away thinking when I rewatched

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it the other day, yeah, like you say, like a two-parter could have

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been, it could be something like Better the Devil, you know, and

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stick with what we've got, or it could have actually benefitted

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from another part.

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Yeah, I agree.

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If we're going to have the paradigms, then it needs a 2nd part.

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Yeah, yeah.

376
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I think I'm on record as saying that this would make a good 2

377
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parter is almost always a mistake.

378
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And what we would end up with is another 45 minutes of victory of

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the bloody dark.

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See, that's exactly right.

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And you could even sort of like mirror it to that sort of that

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dreaded part 3 filler from classic era.

383
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Is that what we would end up with?

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You know, you want it to be paced better, but would adding another

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part make it get paced better?

386
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Yes, because you get more doctor.

387
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Why am I here?

388
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Look, excuse me.

389
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Have we all forgotten the Daleks in Manhattan?

390
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Have we all forgotten just how wonderful a two-part Dalek in a

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historic setting can be?

392
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Thank you.

393
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I actually think that this is nowhere near as good as Staleks in

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that.

395
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It is.

396
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It doesn't have the... you know, I love this story.

397
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Yeah.

398
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I love this story.

399
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I'll be very happy to see it stretched out.

400
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We tend to not be saying it out loud, Mr. Gatis. you're not

401
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listening, but we don't tend to regard Mr. Gatis as perhaps the

402
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most profoundly rounded of the new era, right?

403
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He has a lane, and he does, he does in things like crimson horror

404
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and sleep no more.

405
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They're both wonderful.

406
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And he leaves that lane and does something interesting.

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But otherwise he is sort of fairly straightforward nostalgia.

408
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But I mean, that was always a feature of Doctor Who.

409
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You know, I actually forget what Doctor Who was lying.

410
00:20:04.380 --> 00:20:07.319
Yeah, sort of fitted this would have been the most exciting thing

411
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in a per preseason.

412
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Yeah, well, I mean, well, actually, it feels more trouted for some

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reason.

414
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Oh, yeah, thinking Hinchcliffe, because although it's Trout

415
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because it has Whittaker's Daleks in, at least for the 1st 13.5

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years.

417
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And it's quite poppy, and Charlton was very much the pop-up

418
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doctor.

419
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But but Hinchcliffe has that obsession with the early 20th

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century.

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Like setting stories in the late 19th, early 20th century is what

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we think of as Hinchcliffe's forte.

423
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And, you know, strip mining old movies and things that we have

424
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nostalgia for...

425
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Charles Chilton's journey into space.

426
00:20:46.019 --> 00:20:49.859
Actually, there's some nods to this. to that, I should say, in

427
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this story as well.

428
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So what he does still belongs in Doctor Who, and is still a sort

429
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of valid expression of Doctor Who.

430
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But I do think that sometimes it's a little bit thin.

431
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And I think what's happened here. something has happened here.

432
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So the story because that 1st 13.5 minutes is great and we've got

433
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the Daleks being sneaky.

434
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We don't know what they're up to.

435
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I like that too.

436
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I think it's more scary than them barking orders, you know?

437
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Yeah, well, because everyone's sort of walking around the dialects

438
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completely unconcerned about their photos.

439
00:21:25.019 --> 00:21:30.720
Yeah, and we can see that look, we were long past needing the

440
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Daleks to be intelligent again.

441
00:21:31.980 --> 00:21:36.180
I'm so tired of being told, yes, yes. they can't even they shoot

442
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like storm troops.

443
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And they were like chopping trollies left out in the car.

444
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It worked really well in 1966.

445
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Why not do it again?

446
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Yeah.

447
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Well, no, I bet that's absolutely right.

448
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It did work well and I think it works well here.

449
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And I really like the doctor playing off them as well.

450
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We haven't talked about that since.

451
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We haven't talked about it.

452
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Yes, yes, yes, yes.

453
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And original viewing to current viewing of how we feel about

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that.

455
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So I didn't really rate.

456
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I thought that his performance, and particularly when he gets

457
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angry with the dalek to try and provoke it.

458
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I thought that that wasn't actually all that good, but I do, in

459
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retrospect, like it a great deal.

460
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I like it a hell of a lot more now than I did.

461
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Yeah, it actually works for me now.

462
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And it didn't when I 1st saw it. yeah.

463
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And that's the thing, right?

464
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Because there's been a lot of Doctor Who in the 10 plus years

465
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since this one would have aired.

466
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So for me, it's been a while since I've watched a bit of Matt

467
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Smith and I loved it.

468
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Going back and seeing how good he actually is.

469
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I hadn't forgotten how good he was, but just to see it again was

470
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like, oh, yeah, I love this doctor.

471
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I love Matt Smith in the role.

472
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For me, it's the way that he underplays it because Tenant, when

473
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faced with a Daleks, sores over the top.

474
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Um, and while Matt does get angry and, you know, like he has that

475
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scene where he smacks that one, um, with the red wrench.

476
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With the giant, giant wrench.

477
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But generally he pitches it quite low.

478
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And even when he has a flare of anger, you know, the next line

479
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will be delivered in a really menacing way, but in a really kind

480
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of low key way.

481
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And I think that all of that stuff is really great, up until the

482
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reveal, up until the Daleks reveal who they are, which is then

483
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turns into the back page of TB21.

484
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That's your 13.5 minute mark right there.

485
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Can we talk about the Freudian wrench and the Freudian cigarette?

486
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He does, because the wrench is the feminine of the cigar. as a

487
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female engine, not a male engine.

488
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That is actually how it's called.

489
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Right.

490
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Yeah.

491
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Yeah, it's gripping.

492
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Yay, patriarchy.

493
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Oh, yeah.

494
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Hardwares.

495
00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:52.859
Hardware wars.

496
00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:57.359
But yeah, it's Smith kind of had nowhere else to go with that.

497
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I do feel that, um, in the new era that the ninth doctor would

498
00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:07.140
have handled it absolutely stunningly and it would have been

499
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breathtaking.

500
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Tenant would have been all eyes and teeth.

501
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And this one is kind of somewhere in the middle.

502
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I would have liked to have seen Tom Baker do it.

503
00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:18.539
I think he would have only had a little bit of rush at the end

504
00:24:18.539 --> 00:24:20.880
because this performance feels very Tom to me.

505
00:24:20.940 --> 00:24:24.480
He has a way of saying things that are menacing without being

506
00:24:24.480 --> 00:24:29.339
while only being sort of very visually menacing in a very subtle

507
00:24:29.339 --> 00:24:30.779
way, I think.

508
00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:34.380
And this is clearly something written before his performance has

509
00:24:34.380 --> 00:24:34.980
been seen.

510
00:24:35.039 --> 00:24:38.339
And so it's, it was written before he was carved.

511
00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:39.180
Yeah, right.

512
00:24:39.240 --> 00:24:44.460
And so, and so, they don't know what his strengths are later on in

513
00:24:44.460 --> 00:24:46.200
the era later on in Matt Smith's era.

514
00:24:46.259 --> 00:24:49.680
They'll just write the sort of things that he's been successful

515
00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:54.180
doing before, and that's a bit of a shame because, um, you know, he

516
00:24:54.180 --> 00:24:56.160
kind of falls into a groove a little bit.

517
00:24:56.220 --> 00:25:00.599
But his own performance is so, so good all the time, I think.

518
00:25:00.660 --> 00:25:02.039
And yeah, yeah.

519
00:25:02.099 --> 00:25:03.539
So I mean, I really like that.

520
00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:05.460
I think Amy's pretty good in this as well.

521
00:25:05.519 --> 00:25:05.940
Really?

522
00:25:05.940 --> 00:25:07.079
I do too.

523
00:25:07.140 --> 00:25:10.319
I, I, again, watching them together.

524
00:25:10.380 --> 00:25:13.859
I thought, this is actually a really good doctor companion

525
00:25:13.859 --> 00:25:14.460
relationship.

526
00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:15.480
There's chemistry there.

527
00:25:15.539 --> 00:25:18.599
I don't think you get the same thing with Clara, for example.

528
00:25:18.660 --> 00:25:24.779
Um, I could even say that they're as good as perhaps Tom Baker and

529
00:25:24.779 --> 00:25:25.680
Elizabeth Slade?

530
00:25:25.740 --> 00:25:26.220
I don't know.

531
00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:27.119
What do you guys think?

532
00:25:27.180 --> 00:25:32.339
I tell you what, when Rory joins the crew in a couple of weeks

533
00:25:32.339 --> 00:25:32.759
time.

534
00:25:32.819 --> 00:25:36.660
You've got these 3 young people are all roughly the same age.

535
00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:38.640
They all get on very well.

536
00:25:38.700 --> 00:25:40.440
I think they all have great chemistry.

537
00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:43.740
And I really enjoy watching them.

538
00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:46.980
I can see her working in the margins in this one.

539
00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:49.259
I don't, that's what we've always said about Doctor Who.

540
00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:52.859
I like it when the actors are naturalistic and this Latin would

541
00:25:52.859 --> 00:25:55.500
have been totally believable and yet pulling the same faces.

542
00:25:55.559 --> 00:25:58.559
But with Karen, it's always so personal, isn't it?

543
00:25:58.619 --> 00:26:02.099
No, I can just see that she's, but it's just a little too

544
00:26:02.099 --> 00:26:03.180
disingenuous.

545
00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:06.119
It is nice that they play off each other and they certainly have a

546
00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:10.799
lot of personality and in fact facial traits that work together.

547
00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:14.099
And there's a beautiful moment because Moffat will always alume

548
00:26:14.099 --> 00:26:16.619
this with, you know, because he's a clever boy.

549
00:26:16.680 --> 00:26:21.480
And this goes back to, of course, the, um, to the imprinting of

550
00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:23.880
the raggedy doctor on a little, on the little girl.

551
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:27.420
So she actually, you could say, has grown up with those memories

552
00:26:27.420 --> 00:26:30.000
and taken them on board as part of her own personality.

553
00:26:30.059 --> 00:26:31.920
I'd like to think it's that clever.

554
00:26:32.460 --> 00:26:36.779
I have to say, though, there is one misstep in their relationship

555
00:26:36.779 --> 00:26:39.660
and this comes in quite at the end, but let's just talk about it

556
00:26:39.660 --> 00:26:44.099
now, which is the hint that she fancies the doctor.

557
00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:46.079
Yeah, yeah.

558
00:26:46.140 --> 00:26:49.980
So when she's talking to Bracewell at the end. more about that

559
00:26:49.980 --> 00:26:50.460
later.

560
00:26:50.519 --> 00:26:55.500
Um, she just says something about fancying someone you shouldn't.

561
00:26:55.500 --> 00:26:58.079
And then kind of smirks. and then, yeah.

562
00:26:58.619 --> 00:27:00.720
Well, I think the camera looks at the doctor at that point.

563
00:27:00.779 --> 00:27:02.039
We get a shot at it.

564
00:27:02.099 --> 00:27:02.880
So it's not Jeff.

565
00:27:04.380 --> 00:27:06.480
It could be, Jack.

566
00:27:06.539 --> 00:27:08.519
It should be, Jeff.

567
00:27:08.579 --> 00:27:12.420
She's metaphorically winking down the camera though, isn't she?

568
00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:12.960
Yeah.

569
00:27:13.019 --> 00:27:14.160
Yeah, but she's winking at him.

570
00:27:14.220 --> 00:27:14.880
Do you know what I mean?

571
00:27:14.940 --> 00:27:17.099
Because she's trying to get some bonding thing happening.

572
00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:21.660
But yes, but, you know, I remember watching that at the time and

573
00:27:21.660 --> 00:27:23.579
thinking, oh, no, not again.

574
00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:29.160
And also, I think we're going to discover during the course of the

575
00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:33.359
season that there's something a bit icky about the choice to have

576
00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:38.940
her wanting to bone, you know, her imaginary childhood friend.

577
00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:39.779
Oh my goodness.

578
00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:41.099
That's Freudian.

579
00:27:41.220 --> 00:27:44.400
They could so easily have decided not to do.

580
00:27:44.460 --> 00:27:45.599
This is where plushies.

581
00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:09.839
So, let's go on to what happens after the doctor's testimony is

582
00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:10.200
accepted.

583
00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:13.680
Are we going to talk about the Volkswagens now?

584
00:28:13.740 --> 00:28:15.299
I think so.

585
00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:17.700
Very British.

586
00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:27.119
They're the Spice Girls. now If they're mini coopers, does that

587
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:29.880
make the dollar operators mini drivers?

588
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:32.039
I'm going to buy you.

589
00:28:32.099 --> 00:28:33.960
Oh my god.

590
00:28:34.019 --> 00:28:38.099
So we head up to Ed Thomas's tobacco factory.

591
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:39.180
Yeah, I know.

592
00:28:39.180 --> 00:28:40.799
Fred Encounter with the Darlings.

593
00:28:40.859 --> 00:28:41.579
It works.

594
00:28:41.579 --> 00:28:42.240
It works.

595
00:28:42.299 --> 00:28:43.200
Get it?

596
00:28:43.259 --> 00:28:45.420
I really hate it so much.

597
00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:53.220
So there are pipes in the ceiling and it's like my office.

598
00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:54.299
You know what I mean?

599
00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:58.259
Like, it's not a thrilling fantasy science fiction space.

600
00:28:58.319 --> 00:28:59.039
It's my office.

601
00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:03.960
Brian Williams space in it. supply closet.

602
00:29:04.019 --> 00:29:05.579
Yes, he does.

603
00:29:05.700 --> 00:29:07.140
It's recording with Peter Tapes.

604
00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:11.400
Yeah, no, I don't like it at all.

605
00:29:11.460 --> 00:29:16.680
And then we get the Dalek paradigm things.

606
00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:20.700
Oh, the Dalek paradigm.

607
00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:25.319
Free gift with purchase with built-in Christmas LEDs.

608
00:29:25.380 --> 00:29:28.380
And honestly, you know if you open it up, it just contains the

609
00:29:28.380 --> 00:29:31.140
cheapest bottle of something nasty you'd never put on in your

610
00:29:31.140 --> 00:29:31.319
life.

611
00:29:31.380 --> 00:29:32.519
No, that's right.

612
00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:35.700
It really is the cutest little thing.

613
00:29:35.819 --> 00:29:37.079
You think, oh, it should be on a tree.

614
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:38.220
What's it doing, you know?

615
00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:39.240
humidor.

616
00:29:39.299 --> 00:29:43.259
I mean, I have 2 plastic ones. one here and one at work.

617
00:29:43.319 --> 00:29:44.880
Are we talking about the paradigm dollars?

618
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:46.440
I thought we projected the device.

619
00:29:46.500 --> 00:29:47.279
No, no.

620
00:29:47.339 --> 00:29:49.859
The progenitive device does, as you say, look like.

621
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:51.599
Daleks of pleasuring.

622
00:29:51.660 --> 00:29:53.940
It's a love egg.

623
00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:04.019
Nathan, what colours?

624
00:30:04.019 --> 00:30:06.599
I just want to know what colours you chose to purchase for your 2

625
00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:07.859
paradigm toys.

626
00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:10.980
So I think I think one of them might have been given to me as a

627
00:30:10.980 --> 00:30:11.279
gift.

628
00:30:11.339 --> 00:30:18.480
I have a an orange one and a blue one. strategist and scientist.

629
00:30:18.539 --> 00:30:19.200
Maybe.

630
00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:21.000
Yeah, because he always...

631
00:30:21.059 --> 00:30:22.619
Yeah, there was a thing, wasn't there?

632
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:25.440
They were all ranked, weren't they, by colours?

633
00:30:25.500 --> 00:30:28.319
I don't know if buttercup yellow is my idea of eternity, but I

634
00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:31.980
suppose it's...

635
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:36.299
I love the story that they tell in confidential about this.

636
00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:41.579
So Mark Gauge just came up with 4 names for, for the Daleks.

637
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:45.480
And we couldn't think of a 5th, and so I suggested a journal, which

638
00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:47.579
means, I don't know.

639
00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:53.940
I think, to be fair, though, his idea was that you could decide

640
00:30:53.940 --> 00:30:54.960
what that meant.

641
00:30:55.019 --> 00:30:55.799
Do you know what I mean?

642
00:30:55.859 --> 00:30:58.740
Like that, that he wasn't going to impose that.

643
00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:01.200
It was going to be a bit of law that wasn't explained, and I'm

644
00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:02.460
absolutely all for that.

645
00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:04.859
And they aren't eternal either, are they?

646
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:05.880
Because they never get used again.

647
00:31:05.940 --> 00:31:07.079
No, we do.

648
00:31:07.140 --> 00:31:12.539
So, the, I think they're re-sprayed and have their bum shaved off

649
00:31:12.539 --> 00:31:15.900
for a sign on the fadar, and then after that, you don't see them.

650
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:19.079
Because I think they wreck one of the props, you know, when they

651
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:23.579
have the stone dalek that's chasing them in the in the museum in

652
00:31:23.579 --> 00:31:25.200
the 2 part finale.

653
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:29.460
And so I think that might have sort of taken care of one of the

654
00:31:29.460 --> 00:31:29.880
props.

655
00:31:29.940 --> 00:31:32.700
And when Doctor Who, the Problems came to Sydney, to the Sydney

656
00:31:32.700 --> 00:31:37.680
Opera House, Calvin bought me tickets, and I think we all went.

657
00:31:37.740 --> 00:31:40.200
Yeah, and I was sat in the front row.

658
00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:43.559
And so the Paradigm Dalek, you know, I think it was the blue one

659
00:31:43.559 --> 00:31:47.220
was going past, like directly in front of me.

660
00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:50.039
I could have reached out and touched it. and they're so tall and

661
00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:53.339
they're so imposing. and I think they look really fantastic in

662
00:31:53.339 --> 00:31:55.319
real life. think they're gorgeous.

663
00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:59.160
They look like something you want to play with, which is what the

664
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:00.119
Daleks always were.

665
00:32:00.180 --> 00:32:01.859
Yeah, brought it back to the playground.

666
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:03.900
And it is the nostalgia thing.

667
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:08.460
I mean, they are very, very clearly wanting to hark back to the

668
00:32:08.460 --> 00:32:10.019
movie dialects, aren't they?

669
00:32:10.140 --> 00:32:12.059
That's what I think.

670
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:13.859
I think it doesn't translate too well.

671
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:15.240
I have a question.

672
00:32:15.299 --> 00:32:17.279
Is it a cracker or a clanger?

673
00:32:17.339 --> 00:32:18.299
I'm going with clangour.

674
00:32:19.019 --> 00:32:20.759
Wrong podcast.

675
00:32:20.819 --> 00:32:24.299
I'm going to say it's definitely a clacker.

676
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:25.680
Okay.

677
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:27.900
No, look, I want a clacker?

678
00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:35.640
I like them in a sense, but I think the problem is that the

679
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:37.920
silhouette is all wrong.

680
00:32:37.980 --> 00:32:40.440
And so they're too spot.

681
00:32:40.500 --> 00:32:43.980
Yeah, they are the 5 door minis, not...

682
00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:45.180
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

683
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:46.740
It's dumb countrymen.

684
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:47.880
Yeah it is.

685
00:32:47.940 --> 00:32:50.039
And I was never popular with that one myself.

686
00:32:50.099 --> 00:32:54.119
Think about, let's compare them to the Dalek drones that were

687
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:56.819
introduced in Revolution of the Daleks.

688
00:32:56.880 --> 00:33:02.160
Like my natural feeling about the Dalek redesign was, you know

689
00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:07.259
that sort of fan, the Todd reaction. you know, I don't like this

690
00:33:07.259 --> 00:33:07.619
at all.

691
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:08.160
This is terrible.

692
00:33:08.220 --> 00:33:09.000
Where's the door?

693
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:18.059
But I actually, I actually really grew to like them, and I think, I

694
00:33:18.059 --> 00:33:20.819
thought that they were really effective, and I do think the thing

695
00:33:20.819 --> 00:33:24.539
about them was that it didn't interfere very much with the

696
00:33:24.539 --> 00:33:25.140
silhouette.

697
00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:26.400
They were very similar.

698
00:33:26.460 --> 00:33:30.059
They were a bit smaller. and a little bit narrower at the top, but

699
00:33:30.059 --> 00:33:33.539
it still had that basic kind of, you know, a flat back and a

700
00:33:33.539 --> 00:33:36.059
sloped front and stuff like that.

701
00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:38.160
And they hadn't done that the previous year.

702
00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:41.160
I thought that the Dalekin resolution looked terrible, not just

703
00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:43.140
because it was made out of junk, because that was part of the

704
00:33:43.140 --> 00:33:45.599
story, but just they seemed to get the silhouette wrong.

705
00:33:45.660 --> 00:33:47.160
Whereas I thought these ones were fine.

706
00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:51.900
But however much I have a massive soft spot for, um, the new

707
00:33:51.900 --> 00:33:53.220
paradigm Dialects.

708
00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:56.039
I'm not sorry, but they didn't stick around.

709
00:33:56.099 --> 00:34:00.720
Also, they're meant to have wandered off into the Universe to go

710
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:03.660
and take over and be marvellous and clever, and they also shoot

711
00:34:03.660 --> 00:34:04.980
anything that doesn't look like them.

712
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:05.819
Yeah.

713
00:34:05.819 --> 00:34:07.079
The pretty box things.

714
00:34:07.140 --> 00:34:08.699
I thought that was actually a real nod too.

715
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:10.260
I've taken over RTD.

716
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:12.960
Yes, yes.

717
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:14.579
Yeah, good luck.

718
00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:17.340
Wasn't there some, wasn't there some talk on set at the time?

719
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:21.179
like, wasn't Moffat referring to series 5 as series one?

720
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:23.219
Yes.

721
00:34:23.219 --> 00:34:25.260
This is something that Steve was telling me.

722
00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:27.059
Seriously, just yesterday.

723
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:29.099
Yeah, you're right. one or 31.

724
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:30.780
That's all he would allow.

725
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:32.099
I mean, yeah, look, trip enough.

726
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:33.059
That's probably just puppies.

727
00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:33.780
I think this world.

728
00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:35.159
They did it in Twim.

729
00:34:35.219 --> 00:34:36.659
Like Dwim renumbered it.

730
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:37.800
Like that season.

731
00:34:37.860 --> 00:34:39.659
And they went, oh, actually, that's not a good idea.

732
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:45.239
I mean, the other thing that he does, which is pretty daring is he

733
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:47.699
I'm not going to say wipes out of continuity because those words

734
00:34:47.699 --> 00:34:51.840
have no meaning, but no one on earth can now remember the stolen

735
00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:55.860
earth and journey's end, which is merely sort of 4 episodes.

736
00:34:55.860 --> 00:34:57.659
They saw the doctor's crap.

737
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:01.380
And his time crack.

738
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:02.340
Yeah, yeah.

739
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:05.159
I'm not gonna finish my thought there.

740
00:35:05.219 --> 00:35:05.820
Sorry.

741
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:11.579
And like I've said before, that Moffatt likes Russell's Doctor Who

742
00:35:11.579 --> 00:35:14.639
and he does refer to it, and this isn't the last time that he'll

743
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:17.880
refer explicitly to things that happen in RTDs, Doctor Who.

744
00:35:17.940 --> 00:35:22.199
Um, but yeah, I do think the optics of the Moffatt, Daleks

745
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:27.780
shooting the, uh, RTD dialects into non-existence, uh, it's a very

746
00:35:27.780 --> 00:35:28.260
resonant.

747
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:39.119
I do think that the ensuing scene is incredibly boring.

748
00:35:39.780 --> 00:35:46.739
Well, so once we have the reveal of the new paradigm dialect, ducks

749
00:35:46.739 --> 00:35:47.460
and runs away.

750
00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:48.300
Yeah, yeah.

751
00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:49.320
All of them.

752
00:35:49.380 --> 00:35:50.699
Yeah, that's terribly fun.

753
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:51.840
That is so fun.

754
00:35:51.900 --> 00:35:53.519
But then we just get a long...

755
00:35:53.579 --> 00:35:55.559
They all turn their backs on him and watch the telly.

756
00:35:56.639 --> 00:36:00.360
I think that's my favourite thing about Matt Smith, Doctor, is

757
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:01.500
very Trouton.

758
00:36:01.619 --> 00:36:04.079
Except twice the height.

759
00:36:04.139 --> 00:36:05.820
Very much so in this story.

760
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:08.820
Although in China never really lost his temper either.

761
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:12.059
I don't think it's a good idea for actors in this role to do that

762
00:36:12.059 --> 00:36:13.679
because it's bulgarized.

763
00:36:13.739 --> 00:36:14.579
You can always overplay it.

764
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:17.340
I think Eggleston would have got it more right than any of them.

765
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:18.900
And I think Tom would have got it very right.

766
00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:22.800
Billy would have also got it perfectly and just under pitch boys

767
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:23.639
under pitch.

768
00:36:23.699 --> 00:36:25.019
But what else is Matt going to do?

769
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:27.539
You got a bloody 12 inch wrench in your hand?

770
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:28.980
Actually, 24 inch range.

771
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:29.519
What are you going to do?

772
00:36:29.579 --> 00:36:30.179
Yeah, yeah.

773
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:34.260
Wave it magically. so I don't think so.

774
00:36:34.500 --> 00:36:37.260
Gabby, it gives it an impressive while.

775
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:38.400
He does whale on that thing.

776
00:36:38.460 --> 00:36:39.179
Oh yeah.

777
00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:41.219
I don't know. really goes for it.

778
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:42.840
I think it's polystary, though.

779
00:36:42.900 --> 00:36:43.739
I wasn't worried.

780
00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:45.780
That ring was evidently lightweight.

781
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:52.739
But I mean, the ensuing scene is really just now he's 5 minutes of

782
00:36:52.739 --> 00:36:57.300
the doctor and the Daleks explaining why we're introducing these

783
00:36:57.300 --> 00:37:00.420
new toy Daleks and what the testimony is and all of that.

784
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:03.960
And I think, you know, like they managed to divide the dialogue up

785
00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:06.719
between the doctor and the Daleks because the doctor's smart.

786
00:37:06.780 --> 00:37:08.460
He deduces what's going on.

787
00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:11.639
But it does grind the stories or hold, I think.

788
00:37:11.699 --> 00:37:13.440
Yes, it does.

789
00:37:13.500 --> 00:37:16.320
And that's why again, I don't feel that this would have suffered

790
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:17.280
from being a 2 partner.

791
00:37:17.340 --> 00:37:20.460
Maybe they didn't because what they saw from Daleks and

792
00:37:20.460 --> 00:37:21.059
Manhattan.

793
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:26.639
Maybe they just, but that also had squid root head dialling, you

794
00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:27.900
know, speaking of Freud.

795
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:30.059
Well, speaking of Whittaker as well.

796
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:32.039
You know, humans and daleks.

797
00:37:32.099 --> 00:37:33.900
Yeah, exactly, the paranoid.

798
00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:38.159
I don't think you can go wrong with Doctor Who when you put enough

799
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:42.719
thought into it and just go into the tertiary level of what this

800
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:43.320
can mean.

801
00:37:43.380 --> 00:37:47.820
And Doctor Who, I feel, always fails when it treats itself too

802
00:37:47.820 --> 00:37:51.539
thinly, as if it's a kid show, and it always had done, right way

803
00:37:51.539 --> 00:37:51.780
back.

804
00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:55.500
In fact, I think the 70s, um, are actually more guilty of that.

805
00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:58.380
I'm not going to talk about script editors in particular, though I

806
00:37:58.380 --> 00:38:01.860
think the 80s is in fact trying too hard on some levels to be

807
00:38:01.860 --> 00:38:03.119
something that Doctor Who isn't.

808
00:38:03.179 --> 00:38:07.260
But you might sort of see that even in the 70s and very light

809
00:38:07.260 --> 00:38:07.860
stories.

810
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:13.199
So, some Taran, um, invasion, but that 2 partner. where you could

811
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:15.900
say that that's not really pushing the limits either.

812
00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:19.980
But of course it is because it's about human endurance and about

813
00:38:19.980 --> 00:38:22.980
community and how much we actually care for each other and what

814
00:38:22.980 --> 00:38:26.579
happens when compassion is discarded.

815
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:30.000
Now that could have been, it really only needs a note like that in

816
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:30.599
this story.

817
00:38:30.659 --> 00:38:33.360
I mean, you can see it's trying for that, but he's kind of like a

818
00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:36.480
kid that's just been given his 1st pianoism and he's hitting all

819
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:37.199
the keys at once.

820
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:38.039
Yeah.

821
00:38:38.099 --> 00:38:43.320
Well, I wonder too, whether if the Dalek redesign was imposed on

822
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:43.619
them.

823
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:44.519
It was.

824
00:38:44.579 --> 00:38:49.800
They've scooped out the middle of the story and replaced it with a

825
00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:51.360
sort of fairly long introduction.

826
00:38:51.900 --> 00:38:55.199
That stuff doesn't say anything very much.

827
00:38:55.619 --> 00:38:57.360
It's just merch.

828
00:38:57.480 --> 00:38:58.320
Yeah, yeah.

829
00:38:58.380 --> 00:38:58.980
Well, that's it.

830
00:38:59.039 --> 00:38:59.639
Yeah, that's right.

831
00:38:59.699 --> 00:39:01.260
Toy companies rubbing their hands.

832
00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:05.159
I think my favourite use of these new Daleks was on the cover of

833
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:06.179
the radio times.

834
00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:11.219
During the 2010 election, they had a blue dog, a red dog, and a

835
00:39:11.219 --> 00:39:11.820
yellow dog.

836
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:13.980
What does that say about politician?

837
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:16.559
They were now mad monsters.

838
00:39:16.619 --> 00:39:18.300
Don't blame me.

839
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:19.440
I voted for Kodos.

840
00:39:21.179 --> 00:39:25.619
Yeah, so it leaves the story not being about anything.

841
00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:26.820
Is that the problem?

842
00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:28.679
It's about comics.

843
00:39:28.739 --> 00:39:33.420
We know how much Gatis admires Neil Gaiman, and this is really

844
00:39:33.420 --> 00:39:37.860
trying to be what if Doctor Who had started as a graphic novel.

845
00:39:37.980 --> 00:39:39.960
Because I can't say comics anymore.

846
00:39:40.019 --> 00:39:43.320
But it has a feel of game and style to it without actually going

847
00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:44.099
into his depth.

848
00:39:44.340 --> 00:39:47.820
Yeah, I think it is very sort of service.

849
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:54.659
I mean, I guess the closest thing that there is to, It trying to

850
00:39:54.659 --> 00:39:59.519
be about something is the scene at the end with the Braithwell

851
00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:00.119
robot.

852
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:05.940
So do we talk about the love conquers all ending and whether it's

853
00:40:05.940 --> 00:40:07.260
a cracker or whether it's a clangour?

854
00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:08.039
do you think?

855
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:10.380
I think it's a clanger.

856
00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:12.119
I think it's a tired...

857
00:40:13.019 --> 00:40:15.840
I'm going to say that the casting for this story is quite good in

858
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:16.260
the sense.

859
00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:19.860
I like, I'm not sure who it is who plays Bracewell, but I do like

860
00:40:19.860 --> 00:40:20.099
him.

861
00:40:20.460 --> 00:40:23.340
He makes you, I felt for him.

862
00:40:23.340 --> 00:40:28.019
And also, in principle, the love conquers all ending is right.

863
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:33.179
But writing wise, I'm not sure the plot is constructed well enough

864
00:40:33.179 --> 00:40:33.599
for it.

865
00:40:33.659 --> 00:40:38.280
Um, defeating hate with love is the right message, I think.

866
00:40:38.340 --> 00:40:42.480
But I feel like we've seen it touched too many times before

867
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:42.659
maybe.

868
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:44.460
And we are going to see it again.

869
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:47.699
I think I think it's a little bit more complicated than just love

870
00:40:47.699 --> 00:40:50.880
conquers all because you remember that what the doctor tries to do

871
00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:53.519
is to get him to have human feelings.

872
00:40:53.820 --> 00:40:55.619
Yeah, and I want to talk about that too.

873
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:59.519
Like how do you, how do you, how do you convince a bomb into

874
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:00.840
thinking that it isn't a bomb?

875
00:41:00.900 --> 00:41:03.719
I just think it's Doctor Who and do you know what I mean?

876
00:41:04.980 --> 00:41:06.960
Yeah, you don't.

877
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:11.280
But, you know, like the doctor gets him to try and remember his

878
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:16.860
dead parents, like the 1st World War and stuff and it just makes

879
00:41:16.860 --> 00:41:17.699
it accelerate.

880
00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:21.480
And Amy, for the 2nd time in a row.

881
00:41:21.539 --> 00:41:26.159
Yes, yeah, actually comes up with a solution and she's the one who

882
00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:27.599
suggests it's about love.

883
00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:31.199
Yeah, that's right, once again. she brings in the murder

884
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:32.820
unrequited blue balls.

885
00:41:44.940 --> 00:41:47.219
That's originally scripted.

886
00:41:47.219 --> 00:41:50.940
They were supposed to take him back to the little village post

887
00:41:50.940 --> 00:41:51.539
office.

888
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:53.400
Oh, Yeah.

889
00:41:53.460 --> 00:41:54.659
How lovely that would have been.

890
00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:57.119
I would have liked a bit, but they hastily rewrote it because they

891
00:41:57.119 --> 00:41:58.199
could afford it.

892
00:41:58.260 --> 00:42:01.739
And to find Dorabella and explain why he's got wires hanging out

893
00:42:01.739 --> 00:42:02.159
of his wrist.

894
00:42:02.460 --> 00:42:06.659
And who the hell he is because...

895
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:09.179
That's right.

896
00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:11.699
I mean, he probably sat behind her in English, you know, when they

897
00:42:11.699 --> 00:42:12.179
were nine.

898
00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:14.880
She probably wouldn't have any idea who it was. to go back there

899
00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:17.760
and find that the Bill Patterson character is married to Dora

900
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:19.800
Bella. and then the poor...

901
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:21.059
It's a dark replicant.

902
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:22.260
Pamelia.

903
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:23.820
Now that would be interesting.

904
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:27.059
What happens to him maybe goes stays with the TARDIS for a week.

905
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:29.400
Maybe he actually will be serious.

906
00:42:29.460 --> 00:42:31.619
Or like angel finding one moment of pleasure.

907
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:32.280
Sorry.

908
00:42:33.179 --> 00:42:37.920
I mean, he does pack a suitcase and sort of head off at the end.

909
00:42:39.059 --> 00:42:44.579
But then he's back in the cabinet war room sort of for episode, you

910
00:42:44.579 --> 00:42:45.840
know, 12 or whatever.

911
00:42:45.900 --> 00:42:49.199
So I don't know whether that actually takes.

912
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:53.760
Because Dorabella was an implanted memory, he probably didn't find

913
00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:54.059
her.

914
00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:57.239
Oh, that's so unromantic though.

915
00:42:57.300 --> 00:42:59.159
It's sad, yeah.

916
00:42:59.699 --> 00:43:04.440
There is one line that he's he's a copy that, you know, yeah.

917
00:43:04.500 --> 00:43:07.679
I think the diet's got the imagination to come up with adorable.

918
00:43:07.739 --> 00:43:08.340
Right.

919
00:43:08.340 --> 00:43:08.820
Yeah.

920
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:11.219
Yeah, that he's someone else's stolen name.

921
00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:13.320
He can't stand the...

922
00:43:13.380 --> 00:43:15.239
Yeah, yeah.

923
00:43:15.300 --> 00:43:17.699
There's every all braceable up there.

924
00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:19.739
No, I but I agree.

925
00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:20.699
I think he is lovely.

926
00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:22.679
He's, um...

927
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:23.460
Yeah, everything.

928
00:43:23.699 --> 00:43:26.340
The scene where they where they let him go.

929
00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:30.000
Yeah, and he's just, he's just so dim.

930
00:43:31.260 --> 00:43:34.320
You want to bundle in up and protect him, don't you?

931
00:43:34.380 --> 00:43:35.099
Yeah.

932
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:39.000
And he's amazingly shredded once you get his shirt off.

933
00:43:39.539 --> 00:43:41.699
Like very metal as well.

934
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:44.159
Taught.

935
00:43:44.219 --> 00:43:45.780
Very taught.

936
00:43:45.780 --> 00:43:46.500
Bronzed.

937
00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:52.980
I think there's also sort of evidence that something has been cut

938
00:43:52.980 --> 00:43:57.179
out in the middle because, like, I think that scene, that

939
00:43:57.179 --> 00:44:01.800
incredible scene, the, you know, jeopardy, the Daleks brilliantly

940
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:04.860
can't blow the planet up or can't blow London up, so they just

941
00:44:04.860 --> 00:44:06.059
turn all the lights on.

942
00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:08.579
Like, I think that's tremendous.

943
00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:10.260
And then...

944
00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:13.019
Then, of course, we get the Spitfires attacking.

945
00:44:13.139 --> 00:44:20.460
Um, but how exactly, like, I hate people whose criticism of shows

946
00:44:20.460 --> 00:44:24.480
consists of, uh, you know, the complaint that the plot is full of

947
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:25.079
whole.

948
00:44:25.139 --> 00:44:26.579
Or the science doesn't.

949
00:44:26.699 --> 00:44:27.179
Yeah, yeah.

950
00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:27.780
Who cares?

951
00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:28.739
It's Doctor Who.

952
00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:32.820
But I did actually, I found it sort of super annoying that we're

953
00:44:32.820 --> 00:44:35.099
told that the Germans are coming in 10 minutes.

954
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:36.659
They've been spotted.

955
00:44:36.780 --> 00:44:41.099
Somehow they've managed to retrofit Spitfires with gravity bubbles

956
00:44:41.219 --> 00:44:43.320
10 minutes. 10 minutes.

957
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:43.739
Yeah.

958
00:44:43.860 --> 00:44:47.579
There's a little thing that sort of seems to be bolted to the back

959
00:44:47.579 --> 00:44:50.519
of the cockpit, like a flashing lights thing, which is clearly

960
00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:52.380
intended to be whatever the hell it is.

961
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:53.159
Yeah.

962
00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:58.440
But, you know, the gravity bubbles thing seems to be, seems to be

963
00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:03.420
kind of paperwork when Bracewell kind of brandishes it.

964
00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:05.159
It doesn't actually seem to have been made.

965
00:45:05.219 --> 00:45:06.179
It's just an idea.

966
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:08.400
And it could have been so easily fixed.

967
00:45:08.460 --> 00:45:11.099
All you would have had to do is have him something along the

968
00:45:11.099 --> 00:45:11.280
lines.

969
00:45:11.340 --> 00:45:13.139
Well, how long is it going to take to make this thing and he's go

970
00:45:13.139 --> 00:45:14.639
well, I've already got some prototypes and that's it.

971
00:45:14.699 --> 00:45:16.500
It's like, just come to my laboratory.

972
00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:19.559
Yeah, and and, you know, that sort of thing, you can head

973
00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:22.199
candidate or whatever, and it doesn't actually matter all that

974
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:27.960
much, but it just looked to me like evidence that some story stuff

975
00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:34.320
had been kind of cut in order for the long paradigm dalek scene to

976
00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:35.219
kind of play out.

977
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:37.260
Yeah.

978
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:39.719
It does feel sandwiched in there, doesn't it?

979
00:45:39.780 --> 00:45:45.659
Yeah, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a bit of a front-end collision or

980
00:45:45.659 --> 00:45:48.059
I should say, a rear end collision of 2 stories.

981
00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:50.699
And then it's my 2nd story.

982
00:45:50.699 --> 00:45:53.340
And the 2nd story belongs only in a comic book.

983
00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:54.659
It doesn't really work on TV.

984
00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:56.340
Oh, it does, but not in a comic.

985
00:45:56.460 --> 00:45:58.260
Maybe it does work in the context of this.

986
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:00.659
It's not making people's favourite story, but I actually really

987
00:46:00.659 --> 00:46:05.039
love it for, for the funness of it and it hits all the child

988
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:05.460
spots.

989
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:07.739
I think if you're 7, you're watching this. you gonna love it.

990
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:09.480
Yeah, it is fun.

991
00:46:09.539 --> 00:46:10.559
It really is fun.

992
00:46:10.619 --> 00:46:14.880
I think that's absolutely worth remembering, speaking as people

993
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:19.860
who've been producing a very, very long podcast about how tight.

994
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:39.480
So, for Richard, this will always be the two part of it never was

995
00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:41.519
and so he has a pick of a week for us.

996
00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:42.659
Two for you.

997
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:43.559
Young people.

998
00:46:43.619 --> 00:46:47.579
Um, if you love the feel of this, I would say, hurry along to

999
00:46:47.579 --> 00:46:52.500
radio 4, radio 4 extract, which is on the interwebs and free for

1000
00:46:52.500 --> 00:46:57.360
everyone, Hut 33, which I might have mentioned before that has, uh

1001
00:46:57.360 --> 00:47:01.679
big finishes Alexander McQueen as one of the Masters and our own

1002
00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:05.460
Olivia Coleman, a lot of other great folk, and it's about

1003
00:47:05.460 --> 00:47:06.480
Bletchley Park.

1004
00:47:06.539 --> 00:47:08.280
It's about the wrong end.

1005
00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:11.699
It's like Dan's Army said, Bletchley Park, and it's really, really

1006
00:47:11.699 --> 00:47:12.059
funny.

1007
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:14.699
And the other one that I'm loving in the moment, which is on radio

1008
00:47:14.699 --> 00:47:19.019
4, is called Dot by Ed Harris, who is a terrific comic writer

1009
00:47:19.019 --> 00:47:22.679
who's had great success at Edinburgh Fringe, and it stars our own

1010
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:24.000
Vanilla Woolgar.

1011
00:47:24.059 --> 00:47:28.199
And Jane Slayton, who, of course, is a big Finnish 4th doctor

1012
00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:32.159
companion, and is equally hilarious, and it's about the cabinet

1013
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:36.360
war rooms and the girls, and it's horrendous, and it's all about

1014
00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:39.900
bigger fame, racism, sexism in the funniest, wittiest way.

1015
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:41.159
I really do think.

1016
00:47:41.340 --> 00:47:45.719
Maybe this show would have actually worked better as an audio for

1017
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:46.619
the same reasons.

1018
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:49.440
You know, Nick gets it right.

1019
00:47:49.500 --> 00:47:51.539
They're able to go far deeper into.

1020
00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:55.500
Um, you look at their fantastic master's range with um, with

1021
00:47:55.500 --> 00:47:59.280
Jacobi and just how great the character development is in those

1022
00:47:59.280 --> 00:47:59.639
shows.

1023
00:47:59.699 --> 00:48:03.539
Say it quickly 3 times and you'll get a dark paradigm spinoff

1024
00:48:03.539 --> 00:48:03.960
series.

1025
00:48:04.019 --> 00:48:07.079
Um...

1026
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:10.920
I like that won't stop Nicholas Briggs.

1027
00:48:37.980 --> 00:48:40.679
Well, new listener, that's all we have time for this week.

1028
00:48:40.739 --> 00:48:44.579
We'll be back next week for a quick trip to church on the planet

1029
00:48:44.579 --> 00:48:47.820
Alpha from Matraxus in the time of angels.

1030
00:48:48.119 --> 00:48:52.019
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts

1031
00:48:52.019 --> 00:48:54.960
and you can keep up with us at Flightthrough Entirety on Facebook

1032
00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:59.579
at FTE podcast on Twitter, and on our website, FlightForEntirety

1033
00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:02.639
com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger and

1034
00:49:02.639 --> 00:49:03.719
Jody IntoTara.

1035
00:49:03.780 --> 00:49:06.059
Cole, where can people find you?

1036
00:49:06.119 --> 00:49:10.679
Oh, well, you can find me over the pond at New To Who.

1037
00:49:10.739 --> 00:49:13.019
We're on iTunes.

1038
00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:16.320
We're on Facebook, we're on Twitter at Utahoo podcast.

1039
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:23.039
Also, email address, email us at Utahoo podcast at gmail.com.

1040
00:49:23.099 --> 00:49:23.760
We don't get many.

1041
00:49:23.820 --> 00:49:25.679
We're trying to record more episodes.

1042
00:49:25.739 --> 00:49:29.760
It's been a little bit staggered lately, but um, yeah, we're still

1043
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:30.719
around anyway.

1044
00:49:30.780 --> 00:49:34.260
Um, and there's a bit of a back catalogue there if anyone wants to

1045
00:49:34.260 --> 00:49:35.760
jump in and have a listen.

1046
00:49:35.820 --> 00:49:39.480
And also, I want to plug the wonderful Joe Ford, who is his

1047
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:42.300
upcoming podcast, Hamps, with a blunt penknife.

1048
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:46.139
I'll be jumping on there at some point as well, and look out for

1049
00:49:46.139 --> 00:49:46.920
it because he's great.

1050
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:51.239
Until next time, please try and remember that while the power of

1051
00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:54.780
love is not generally the most effective way of diffusing a bomb

1052
00:49:54.780 --> 00:49:58.380
it is nevertheless a force from above, which cleans the soul.

1053
00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:00.599
So make it your goal.

1054
00:50:00.659 --> 00:50:03.360
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1055
00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:04.380
Good night.

1056
00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:05.760
Good night.

1057
00:50:05.820 --> 00:50:07.139
Good vending.

1058
00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:14.639
That was Flight Through Entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, James

1059
00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:16.619
Selwood, Paul Solito, and Richard Stone.

1060
00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:18.840
Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb.

1061
00:50:18.900 --> 00:50:22.739
This episode, 13.5 minutes, was recorded on the 31st of January

1062
00:50:22.739 --> 00:50:25.800
2021 and released on the 28th of March.

1063
00:50:28.980 --> 00:50:33.179
Today we announced the release of a series of plastic figurines of

1064
00:50:33.179 --> 00:50:36.780
your favourite FDE hosts and guests, available in a range of

1065
00:50:36.780 --> 00:50:39.539
colours and an upsettingly large range of sizes.

1066
00:50:39.599 --> 00:50:44.039
Preorder them today, we can't wait to find out what you end up

1067
00:50:44.039 --> 00:50:45.179
doing with them.

1068
00:50:48.239 --> 00:50:51.300
All right, I'll put that at the end, but do we want, um, do we

1069
00:50:51.300 --> 00:50:55.019
want, does anyone have a sort of final statement or something they

1070
00:50:55.019 --> 00:50:58.559
want to say or a way of summing up where we, where we came to?

1071
00:50:58.619 --> 00:51:01.980
Maybe that talk about it being fun is the way to end it.

1072
00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:02.760
Yeah.

1073
00:51:02.820 --> 00:51:03.420
Yeah.

1074
00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:04.500
Because it is fun.

1075
00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:06.300
Yeah, I think that's, yeah.

1076
00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:09.239
And like, as Richard said, a 7 year old is going to absolutely

1077
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:10.019
adore it.

1078
00:51:10.019 --> 00:51:12.719
And I think that's always important to remember with Doctor Who.

1079
00:51:12.780 --> 00:51:14.400
Yeah, and the memories.

1080
00:51:14.519 --> 00:51:17.940
It's about visual keys and they will stay in their heads and

1081
00:51:17.940 --> 00:51:18.360
yeah.

1082
00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:21.599
That's right And you want them to grow up with it, much like we

1083
00:51:21.599 --> 00:51:21.900
all have.

1084
00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:22.500
You want them to.

1085
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:27.420
I always think that people who complain that like the RTD era is

1086
00:51:27.420 --> 00:51:29.460
full of set pieces. too popular.

1087
00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:32.340
I haven't been paying attention to the best of Doctor Who for a

1088
00:51:32.340 --> 00:51:35.940
start and haven't been paying attention to the way the Doctor Who

1089
00:51:35.940 --> 00:51:36.659
is perceived.

1090
00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:37.679
Do you know what I mean?

1091
00:51:37.739 --> 00:51:40.019
Like as a series of like these amazing moments.

1092
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:43.500
How well did this do in the race?

1093
00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:44.460
Oh, it's early in the season.

1094
00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:48.900
Um, It got in the final rating was 7.82 million.

1095
00:51:49.019 --> 00:51:50.099
That's not too bad.

1096
00:51:50.099 --> 00:51:52.019
An appreciation to end up in 84.

1097
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:56.280
It came right behind Britain's got talent as number two, I think.

1098
00:51:56.940 --> 00:51:58.500
In the week.

1099
00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:04.380
No, it's his 4th most viewed program on the BBC and 11th most

1100
00:52:04.380 --> 00:52:06.179
viewed program of the week.

1101
00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:08.099
Okay, maybe the evening now.

1102
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:09.840
Maybe the evening.

1103
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:11.880
All right.

1104
00:52:11.940 --> 00:52:12.360
Okay.

1105
00:52:12.420 --> 00:52:16.139
Well, I'll do a, uh, the outro.