WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 14:54:32 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.919 All right, now you can see we're recording. 2 00:00:01.980 --> 00:00:03.000 Oh, yeah, look at that. 3 00:00:03.060 --> 00:00:11.279 Look at the little sideways. the counter and then like a red, the international sign of recording. and sign waves. 4 00:00:11.339 --> 00:00:12.119 Yeah, that's right. 5 00:00:12.179 --> 00:00:15.539 So this is Victory of the Daleks take two. 6 00:00:15.599 --> 00:00:18.660 We've recorded an entire episode before this. 7 00:00:18.719 --> 00:00:27.000 And today is the day of my humiliation, the 31st of January 2021. 8 00:01:03.119 --> 00:01:16.140 Hello, Alyssa, and welcome back to Fly Through Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast Primed to Explode at the merest mention of the 1984 Doctor Who classic Resurrection of the Daleks. 9 00:01:16.200 --> 00:01:17.640 I'm Nathan. 10 00:01:17.700 --> 00:01:21.599 I'm James I'm Carl, and I'm just a cigar for this one. 11 00:01:21.659 --> 00:01:23.219 Oh, big it. 12 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:26.700 An imperialist colonialist buttoned. 13 00:01:26.819 --> 00:01:30.299 And you know, probably a bit racist as well. 14 00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:32.760 Well, it's World War II. 15 00:01:32.819 --> 00:01:40.920 London is under constant attack, and the doctor's greatest enemies are about to return in a range of colours, each more Toyietic than the last. 16 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:49.620 So all we can do is to stay calm and keep buggering on as we contemplate the ultimate victory of the daleks. 17 00:02:04.980 --> 00:02:10.620 This is every book colouring in book that gators grew up with, isn't it? 18 00:02:11.159 --> 00:02:12.240 I mean, it is. 19 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:17.400 We talked about Power of the Daleks previously on FGE, and we had a lot of fun with it, didn't we? 20 00:02:17.460 --> 00:02:18.300 We did. 21 00:02:18.360 --> 00:02:31.319 So this is him, obviously, going back and mining power of the Daleks for, and and I think to some degree, evil of the Daleks, paradigms, progenitor. 22 00:02:31.500 --> 00:02:35.819 Yeah, that identity thing about are we Daleks or are we not? 23 00:02:35.879 --> 00:02:37.020 Are we lollies? 24 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:38.460 Yeah, yeah, that's right. 25 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:40.560 Are we mini coopers? 26 00:02:40.860 --> 00:02:43.680 So, Cole. 27 00:02:43.680 --> 00:02:44.159 Yes. 28 00:02:44.219 --> 00:02:45.120 Are you a Dalek man? 29 00:02:45.180 --> 00:02:46.560 I am a Dalek man. 30 00:02:46.620 --> 00:02:49.620 Particularly an Ironside Dalek man. 31 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:50.639 I think they're gorgeous. 32 00:02:50.699 --> 00:02:54.659 I love the little Union Jack under the eye stalk, the army saddlebags on the side. 33 00:02:54.719 --> 00:02:57.960 I love that they're carting greens. should they? 34 00:02:57.960 --> 00:02:59.340 There should be an ethics cube calling. 35 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:03.180 I feel like those things. your dad used to make when your mother was ignoring it. 36 00:03:03.360 --> 00:03:05.759 Pull up your Olympics, kids. 37 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:07.860 And there's a lovely little figurine of them. 38 00:03:07.919 --> 00:03:11.159 I saw online yesterday where he had a little tray with a teacup. 39 00:03:11.219 --> 00:03:12.240 I thought that was really cute. 40 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:16.620 And did it come with the extra vinyl Ian McNeese? 41 00:03:17.280 --> 00:03:20.460 That originally issued as a two-pack. 42 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:22.860 You had to assemble it, I know. 43 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:24.599 I have to wait for the reissue. 44 00:03:24.659 --> 00:03:26.039 I wish I bought it now. 45 00:03:26.099 --> 00:03:28.500 It's probably going to be huge after this podcast. 46 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:31.919 Yeah, no. pounds and pounds for the meal on the interwips. 47 00:03:31.979 --> 00:03:37.979 I do think that Gatus gives the ironside some just utterly hilarious dialogue. 48 00:03:37.979 --> 00:03:46.860 And I do have at least one friend where every so often we'll turn to one another and go, you know, would you care for some tea? 49 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:59.039 And there's some sort of a hilarious moment where Matt's wailing on one with a wrench and it says, um, you do not require tea, which I just think is absolutely spectacular. 50 00:03:59.099 --> 00:04:01.979 And it goes even further power of the Daleks, right? 51 00:04:02.039 --> 00:04:06.180 I think the Dalek offers someone, you know, a glass of liquid or something. 52 00:04:07.020 --> 00:04:12.479 Yeah, and the darlic carrying the military box file around is pretty fantastic. 53 00:04:25.439 --> 00:04:33.240 So we are back in London during the blitz, as we were way back in series one. 54 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:35.639 How do you reckon this? 55 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:40.379 uh, sort of version of London during the blitz dax art, Bridget. 56 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:42.660 Well, I'm glad you asked. 57 00:04:43.019 --> 00:04:48.480 It does feel as if now Brexit had been not even disgusted at this stage. 58 00:04:48.540 --> 00:04:50.579 No, they've been discussing it ever. 59 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:55.379 Honestly, it feels like a quality street assortment of what Brexit was going to bring back to us, wasn't it? 60 00:04:55.439 --> 00:05:02.040 Which is garage balloons, segues to dad's army offsiders, blowing raspberries. you know what I mean? 61 00:05:02.040 --> 00:05:09.839 Because if that little bloke in the ARP put those lights out, I think isn't Bill Pert, we would like to know what he... 62 00:05:09.899 --> 00:05:12.060 He's got a great Dennis Little moustache. 63 00:05:12.899 --> 00:05:16.920 I mean, imagine the mischief he could do to the Luftwaff with that. 64 00:05:18.660 --> 00:05:21.000 I've come away from this. 65 00:05:21.060 --> 00:05:27.480 At the time, I want to know what you and Coldford as well and James, I thought this is far too short for what it's trying to do. 66 00:05:27.540 --> 00:05:32.040 It was actually written, apparently, Gatus thought it would be 2 parter. 67 00:05:32.100 --> 00:05:38.939 And so there's a lovely backstory with the girl in the war room who is a lady of colour. 68 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:45.660 Apparently none of them would have either got a job there, apparently, because, um, and then he's on record for saying this. 69 00:05:45.720 --> 00:05:55.079 The prime minister despised people who were not white and said, you know, and was all about taking whatever money and rich resources he could get out of India before Britain moved out. 70 00:05:55.139 --> 00:05:56.579 And he's on record for saying it. 71 00:05:56.639 --> 00:05:59.639 So I'm not, you know, I'm not putting anything that you can't just read. 72 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:06.839 So he's not the, he's not the grandfatherly historical figure that a lot of British people like to see. 73 00:06:06.899 --> 00:06:10.560 You know, he gets very, almost, as far as we know, no tolerance for people have come. 74 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:12.360 No, he was terribly wasted. 75 00:06:12.360 --> 00:06:13.680 I need to get that out. 76 00:06:13.740 --> 00:06:16.139 Because he's so freaking cuddly in this one, isn't he? 77 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:17.759 I think it's a problem. 78 00:06:17.819 --> 00:06:25.079 And, you know, we recently had Doctor Who do the partition of India from 1947, which I'm not. 79 00:06:25.139 --> 00:06:30.420 He wasn't prime minister there and he was leader of the opposition, but he was a huge supporter of partition. 80 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:38.040 And it did see, you know, maybe up to 2000000 people, and maybe 20000000 people displaced. 81 00:06:38.100 --> 00:06:46.860 But he was prime minister during the famine in Bengal in 1943, which may have killed as many as 3000000 people. 82 00:06:46.860 --> 00:06:49.980 And he didn't care. 83 00:06:50.040 --> 00:06:51.300 He hated Gandhi. 84 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:53.399 Oh, he actually, yeah. 85 00:06:53.459 --> 00:06:58.980 Absolutely despised Gandhi and tried, in fact, in every way good to have him signlined. 86 00:06:58.980 --> 00:07:06.420 And in fact, you know, we don't know the actual details, but he was very much for putting Gandhi out of the picture. 87 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:19.500 So Doctor Who can sort of deal with that, as we saw from demons of the Punjab, even though that's mostly the story of actual Indian people, and not of the British people who caused it. 88 00:07:19.560 --> 00:07:30.660 Um, but nevertheless, in spite of that, you know, he still continues to be regarded very highly, and extremely highly. 89 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:32.879 He's the picture boy for Brexit. 90 00:07:32.939 --> 00:07:38.819 Well, because it's that mid-20th century post-war Britain that we were kind of harking back to. 91 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:41.939 It's it's Churchill in the 66 World Cup. 92 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:45.060 That's really the only things that Britain talks about. 93 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:54.420 It is, um, you know, Gatis does nostalgia and and that's his thing, but nostalgia is a problem. 94 00:07:54.480 --> 00:07:58.319 I think just sort of politically. 95 00:07:58.379 --> 00:08:01.920 Um, and maybe, I don't know, like what do you do? 96 00:08:01.980 --> 00:08:07.920 I mean, I think it's unpleasant to have the doctor be quite so chummy with him. 97 00:08:07.980 --> 00:08:13.259 I like better the way they're going to do it in the future, spoiler alert when the doctor meets Nixon. 98 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:15.660 I think that was handled much more delicately. 99 00:08:15.720 --> 00:08:27.300 And I would suggest, I'm with you on this one, Nathan, but perhaps when the doctor does deal with born Doctor Who deals with politics, it takes something more of the purple era's position, which was lovely sitting in a very comfy chair. 100 00:08:27.360 --> 00:08:32.580 You're not actually convinced he's taking sides, although you'll take whatever port the cigars are going around. 101 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:36.779 Yeah, which is actually worse if you stop and think about it. 102 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:37.320 But anyway. 103 00:08:37.379 --> 00:08:42.480 I mean, nevertheless, McNese's performance is great. spot on and cuddly and lovely. 104 00:08:42.539 --> 00:08:43.080 Yes, yeah. 105 00:08:43.139 --> 00:08:46.200 And he's a fun character and it's no surprise they have him back. 106 00:08:46.259 --> 00:08:48.840 Yeah, and you might argue this is a children's show and we need heroes. 107 00:08:48.899 --> 00:08:49.559 Yeah. 108 00:08:49.559 --> 00:09:01.500 That's why I think that it's not historically accurate, but it might have been the right choice to represent Churchill. sort of as that cuddly friend of the doctor, because it is a family show. 109 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:05.460 And I kind of think that the grim and dark alternatives. 110 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:09.179 They probably better suit like the Virgin New Adventures maybe or. 111 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:12.659 Um, Do you think so, though? 112 00:09:12.720 --> 00:09:19.440 Because when Doctor Who does that and free ex-villains that are nuanced, I think we end up with a much more interesting story. 113 00:09:19.500 --> 00:09:21.600 Yeah, but how far do we go though? 114 00:09:21.659 --> 00:09:23.460 Do we make Churchill a villain? 115 00:09:23.519 --> 00:09:25.440 I mean, maybe more truthful. 116 00:09:25.500 --> 00:09:26.759 I don't know. 117 00:09:26.820 --> 00:09:30.299 I don't know that you could do that in a single part. 118 00:09:30.419 --> 00:09:33.000 The text is already too dense with this. 119 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:37.080 And I guess we'll get to the paradigm Daleks, but maybe that shouldn't have been in this one. 120 00:09:37.139 --> 00:09:48.600 I do have a problem with it because it does align something important about Churchill that perhaps people should know about. 121 00:09:48.659 --> 00:09:58.620 Current Britain, when we look at what's happened recently and what was happening, you know, even at the time and the whip rush generation and how they were treated after this point. 122 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:01.679 Oh, I think that Doctor Who handles this kind of thing very, very well. 123 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:07.320 And actually always has, even in Billy's era, there are stories that touch on segregation. 124 00:10:07.379 --> 00:10:08.340 Savages is a great one. 125 00:10:08.399 --> 00:10:09.120 Yeah, yeah. 126 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:13.500 So I think this is actually the place to discuss it because if anyone is going to get it. 127 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:14.519 It's young people. 128 00:10:14.580 --> 00:10:15.000 Yeah. 129 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:21.299 I mean, they want to have Churchill because that makes the show more excited. 130 00:10:21.360 --> 00:10:22.440 Have you saved the country? 131 00:10:22.500 --> 00:10:24.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 132 00:10:24.179 --> 00:10:34.019 And and the end of last week's episode, that hilarious scene in the TARDIS on the phone where Amy's trying to narrow down who's called. 133 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:36.659 Oh, it's the prime minister, prime minister of what? 134 00:10:36.659 --> 00:10:38.340 Which prime minister of Britain? 135 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:40.139 You know, that's fun and funny. 136 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:42.960 It's nearly a teaser for this episode. 137 00:10:43.019 --> 00:10:44.580 Actually, to be truthful. 138 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:47.279 You didn't say the country during saving the country. 139 00:10:47.340 --> 00:10:59.340 That church will do nothing to help during when it was Turin's working on in your device that actually allowed the British naval forces to keep going those extra few months at that crucial point. 140 00:10:59.399 --> 00:11:04.860 So, and Churchill did nothing to help him during his scandalous incursions. 141 00:11:04.919 --> 00:11:09.000 If you if they ever reopen the borders again, go to Butchley Park. 142 00:11:09.360 --> 00:11:13.259 They've made it into a really interesting museum. 143 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:16.080 We're touching on my picks of the week, this one. 144 00:11:16.139 --> 00:11:18.000 Now that we're doing picks of the week. 145 00:11:18.059 --> 00:11:18.960 This is one butter. 146 00:11:19.019 --> 00:11:28.799 We're doing a couple of things. if you love this story for the reason that I love this story and it is the nostalgia and it is the boy's own comic and it is all that. 147 00:11:28.799 --> 00:11:32.039 Spitfires and space bubbles. 148 00:11:32.100 --> 00:11:33.840 That's pure dandare. 149 00:11:33.899 --> 00:11:42.840 It's gorgeous Did you know that the man that created the Spitfire engine, the the bullet. 150 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:44.340 Supermarine Spitfire engineer. 151 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:49.080 The, the, Bill Dunn was Sheila Dunn's father. 152 00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:51.419 Oh, really? 153 00:11:51.840 --> 00:11:55.500 So, Petra, Petra, William's father. 154 00:11:56.100 --> 00:11:58.200 From your turno. 155 00:11:58.259 --> 00:11:58.440 Yeah. 156 00:11:58.500 --> 00:11:58.799 What? 157 00:11:58.799 --> 00:12:00.659 Yes, Dougie Campfield's bike. 158 00:12:00.960 --> 00:12:04.259 Came up with the Supermarine Merlin engine. 159 00:12:04.379 --> 00:12:06.539 Yeah, they're bulletproof. 160 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:14.159 It had fantastic aluminium alloy. distance, it could go much, much faster and the heat distribution of using aluminium. 161 00:12:14.220 --> 00:12:14.879 How do we know this? 162 00:12:14.940 --> 00:12:17.940 Because with fan lawyers, that's how. 163 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:19.200 And they could go into space. 164 00:12:19.259 --> 00:12:22.379 I mean, how ahead of his time is he... 165 00:12:22.379 --> 00:12:28.080 So we're in the cabinet war rooms, which I think have sort of been really quite well recreated. 166 00:12:28.139 --> 00:12:31.559 And if you, do you remember the Doctor Who Confidential? 167 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:33.840 That where? 168 00:12:33.899 --> 00:12:37.139 I looked I looked to see if there was an episode for this one. 169 00:12:37.200 --> 00:12:37.860 I couldn't find it. 170 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:54.840 So they still do confidential for series 5 and 6 and it's not quite the same as it was during the RTD years, but this one is actually Mark Gaze is in a very natty suit wandering around cabinet war rooms, isn't it? 171 00:12:54.899 --> 00:12:56.100 The real ones? 172 00:12:56.159 --> 00:12:56.639 Yes. 173 00:12:56.700 --> 00:12:59.639 Because I did read that he went there for research, yeah. 174 00:12:59.700 --> 00:13:01.259 I mean, they look really good. 175 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:06.539 I think it's, it really kind of sells it, sort of smoke filled and full of action and stuff like that. 176 00:13:06.600 --> 00:13:14.399 And there are some kind of likeable characters, including Miss Breen, who Richard mentioned earlier. 177 00:13:15.539 --> 00:13:22.259 And there was going to be a whole other story about, you know, her, it was being cocked very Bridgeton with her, her husband. 178 00:13:22.259 --> 00:13:23.340 Yeah. 179 00:13:23.399 --> 00:13:25.919 Well, so we get a little bit of that at the end. 180 00:13:25.980 --> 00:13:32.100 She actually gets told or hears, does she get a, she gets a, she hears that he's been lost in action. 181 00:13:32.159 --> 00:13:36.960 Yeah, they just got word or whatever. that he was shot down over the channel or something. 182 00:13:37.620 --> 00:13:42.539 It doesn't translate that well in the, in a one part of the, does it? 183 00:13:42.600 --> 00:13:42.899 Do you think? 184 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:45.360 I mean, I kind of think we didn't even need to have it. 185 00:13:45.419 --> 00:13:47.580 I'm surprised it's still there. 186 00:13:47.639 --> 00:13:49.919 I mean, it doesn't go anywhere. 187 00:13:49.980 --> 00:13:51.240 No. 188 00:13:51.240 --> 00:13:55.740 Um, Ace's mother in Curse of Fenrich. 189 00:13:55.799 --> 00:13:56.460 Oh, yeah. 190 00:13:56.519 --> 00:13:57.419 Oh, yeah. 191 00:13:57.480 --> 00:14:03.480 But, I mean, the problem is that it doesn't go anywhere, it doesn't seem to have anything to do with what there's. 192 00:14:03.539 --> 00:14:05.399 I mean, what are they saying about the war? 193 00:14:05.460 --> 00:14:16.559 There is a, you know, there's a reading of it where you get Churchill prepared to sort of team up with the Daleks to defeat the Nazis. 194 00:14:16.620 --> 00:14:21.299 And it's super weird because the dialects are sort of Nazis anyway. 195 00:14:21.360 --> 00:14:26.159 And there aren't really, you know, we don't actually see Nazis or anything in this. 196 00:14:26.220 --> 00:14:32.460 But, you know, the idea is there, I just don't think there is because Gatus. 197 00:14:32.519 --> 00:14:38.399 But are we edging, you know, is there a possibility of a critique of the British war effort? 198 00:14:38.460 --> 00:14:41.039 You know, it's the war that the Brits won. 199 00:14:41.100 --> 00:14:48.059 So they get to say that it was a moral war and a great triumph, and obviously their enemy was unspeakably evil. 200 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:53.460 But we do have, you know, the bombing of Dresden. 201 00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:56.159 We do have, is it a bit of a moral stretch? 202 00:14:56.279 --> 00:15:00.299 You say that we are also culpable because we used dialects. 203 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:00.720 Yes. 204 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:03.960 It might be, but I mean, no, no. 205 00:15:04.019 --> 00:15:10.919 But you can see, you see that, you know, that, is it making a commentary on the British? 206 00:15:10.980 --> 00:15:12.539 Yeah, no, I think probably, is it? 207 00:15:12.600 --> 00:15:18.840 I think it's just that we're really right back from Whittaker Daleks, I'm calling that because he's the one that actually made them interesting. 208 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:22.379 Yeah, he's editing that makes them so fascinating. 209 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:39.299 And so nuanced, Steve, back in the day, and not just, and you can see when other lesser writers get hold of them, and certain directors, like Terry Nation, and it's just that it is just, but with this one, it's like trying to drive the 69 Cooper up a hill. 210 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:42.600 Speaking of the chase, which is why I needed to reboot. 211 00:15:42.659 --> 00:15:50.159 Yes, but, um, every little boy and girl thought watching these things, oh, they're just like single person tanks, don't they? 212 00:15:50.220 --> 00:15:51.480 That's really what they are. 213 00:15:51.539 --> 00:15:56.220 So I was just like, 0 my god, you've been reading my mind, my child mind, Mr. Ages. 214 00:15:56.279 --> 00:16:03.120 So it's this season, really, from his food, Mr. Moffatt, and his contemporaries is all about what to be loved most as a child. 215 00:16:03.179 --> 00:16:15.720 Can I just say my 1st drawing of Doctor Who, at the age of 9, was just a square with a head popping out of it, and it was the time that Crashland had been looked at from the bottom with these doctor's head pods? 216 00:16:15.779 --> 00:16:18.480 That's actually what in my drawing, I did that fat age. 217 00:16:18.539 --> 00:16:26.759 And so I love it that the 1st thing we see as a doctor is what a 9 year old imagined the most exciting thing the doctor could ever have was a crash land at times. 218 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:38.759 So do you think that this sort of weird idealised nostalgic storybook version of Britney in World War 2? 219 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:45.419 Is like just part of the theme of the season as a whole. 220 00:16:45.720 --> 00:16:48.299 I mean, it's an interesting choice. 221 00:16:49.080 --> 00:17:01.139 The Daleks in a World War 2 story, I mean, everyone, everyone knows how that they resulted as an analogue for the Nazis and it seems maybe a little bit too, um, I don't know. 222 00:17:01.200 --> 00:17:05.039 I see Gatus getting very excited with the idea of maybe getting a little bit carried away with himself. 223 00:17:05.099 --> 00:17:09.240 Could sort of see him going, ooh, Daleks and Nazis. 224 00:17:09.299 --> 00:17:10.079 Oh, World War II. 225 00:17:10.140 --> 00:17:10.859 Oh, Churchill. 226 00:17:10.920 --> 00:17:11.160 Oh. 227 00:17:11.220 --> 00:17:13.380 Yeah, yeah, he did that confidential. 228 00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:15.900 Yeah, it doesn't mean that. 229 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:18.839 But it is the back page of a TV 21 colour by numbers. 230 00:17:18.900 --> 00:17:24.059 Do you remember that dalek stratagem board game, which was just snakes and ladders with a few diets withdrawn? 231 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:27.240 One of the things. 232 00:17:27.299 --> 00:17:28.980 Yeah, I mean, that's all this actually is. 233 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:31.799 I don't know that it even works on any deeper level, doesn't it? 234 00:17:31.859 --> 00:17:33.900 I don't think it's necessarily even trying to. 235 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:35.220 But then again, it's Doctor Who. 236 00:17:35.279 --> 00:17:38.339 So even unwittingly, it always does touch on those things. 237 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:39.059 Yeah. 238 00:17:39.119 --> 00:17:42.539 I think that it's a bit of a mess. 239 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:45.900 It's trying to do a hell of a long 45 minutes. 240 00:17:45.960 --> 00:17:47.460 That's the, that's it. 241 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:48.359 That's exactly it. 242 00:17:48.420 --> 00:17:55.500 And I think the 1st 13.5 minutes and I did actually count it, is actually really good engaging Doctor Who. 243 00:17:55.619 --> 00:17:56.579 Well paced, isn't it? 244 00:17:56.700 --> 00:17:58.200 For that 1st part, yeah. 245 00:17:58.259 --> 00:17:59.759 But then there's so much. 246 00:17:59.819 --> 00:18:04.019 There's so much they try and cram into the remaining sort of 28 minutes or whatever. 247 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:05.640 I think it suffers for it. 248 00:18:05.700 --> 00:18:07.380 You know why, Paul, don't you? 249 00:18:07.500 --> 00:18:08.339 Why? 250 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:14.220 Because that 1st part you just talked about is the original script of the 2 part. 251 00:18:14.220 --> 00:18:14.759 Yes. 252 00:18:14.819 --> 00:18:26.519 So this is what, I mean, I walked away thinking when I rewatched it the other day, yeah, like you say, like a two-parter could have been, it could be something like Better the Devil, you know, and stick with what we've got, or it could have actually benefitted from another part. 253 00:18:26.579 --> 00:18:28.019 Yeah, I agree. 254 00:18:28.079 --> 00:18:30.480 If we're going to have the paradigms, then it needs a 2nd part. 255 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:31.740 Yeah, yeah. 256 00:18:31.799 --> 00:18:40.019 I think I'm on record as saying that this would make a good 2 parter is almost always a mistake. 257 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:45.839 And what we would end up with is another 45 minutes of victory of the bloody dark. 258 00:18:45.900 --> 00:18:48.599 See, that's exactly right. 259 00:18:48.660 --> 00:18:56.700 And you could even sort of like mirror it to that sort of that dreaded part 3 filler from classic era. 260 00:18:56.759 --> 00:18:57.900 Is that what we would end up with? 261 00:18:57.960 --> 00:19:01.619 You know, you want it to be paced better, but would adding another part make it get paced better? 262 00:19:01.680 --> 00:19:03.660 Yes, because you get more doctor. 263 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:08.460 Why am I here? 264 00:19:08.519 --> 00:19:10.319 Look, excuse me. 265 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:15.420 Have we all forgotten the Daleks in Manhattan? 266 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:20.640 Have we all forgotten just how wonderful a two-part Dalek in a historic setting can be? 267 00:19:20.700 --> 00:19:21.059 Thank you. 268 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:25.559 I actually think that this is nowhere near as good as Staleks in that. 269 00:19:25.619 --> 00:19:26.220 It is. 270 00:19:26.220 --> 00:19:28.740 It doesn't have the... you know, I love this story. 271 00:19:28.859 --> 00:19:29.579 Yeah. 272 00:19:29.700 --> 00:19:30.420 I love this story. 273 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:32.819 I'll be very happy to see it stretched out. 274 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:44.039 We tend to not be saying it out loud, Mr. Gatis. you're not listening, but we don't tend to regard Mr. Gatis as perhaps the most profoundly rounded of the new era, right? 275 00:19:44.160 --> 00:19:50.519 He has a lane, and he does, he does in things like crimson horror and sleep no more. 276 00:19:50.579 --> 00:19:52.019 They're both wonderful. 277 00:19:52.019 --> 00:19:54.720 And he leaves that lane and does something interesting. 278 00:19:54.779 --> 00:19:58.799 But otherwise he is sort of fairly straightforward nostalgia. 279 00:19:58.859 --> 00:20:01.799 But I mean, that was always a feature of Doctor Who. 280 00:20:01.859 --> 00:20:04.319 You know, I actually forget what Doctor Who was lying. 281 00:20:04.380 --> 00:20:08.460 Yeah, sort of fitted this would have been the most exciting thing in a per preseason. 282 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:12.059 Yeah, well, I mean, well, actually, it feels more trouted for some reason. 283 00:20:12.119 --> 00:20:20.519 Oh, yeah, thinking Hinchcliffe, because although it's Trout because it has Whittaker's Daleks in, at least for the 1st 13.5 years. 284 00:20:20.640 --> 00:20:23.940 And it's quite poppy, and Charlton was very much the pop-up doctor. 285 00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:30.180 But but Hinchcliffe has that obsession with the early 20th century. 286 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:37.200 Like setting stories in the late 19th, early 20th century is what we think of as Hinchcliffe's forte. 287 00:20:37.259 --> 00:20:43.500 And, you know, strip mining old movies and things that we have nostalgia for... 288 00:20:43.559 --> 00:20:45.960 Charles Chilton's journey into space. 289 00:20:46.019 --> 00:20:50.880 Actually, there's some nods to this. to that, I should say, in this story as well. 290 00:20:50.940 --> 00:20:56.400 So what he does still belongs in Doctor Who, and is still a sort of valid expression of Doctor Who. 291 00:20:56.460 --> 00:20:59.819 But I do think that sometimes it's a little bit thin. 292 00:20:59.880 --> 00:21:02.700 And I think what's happened here. something has happened here. 293 00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:10.440 So the story because that 1st 13.5 minutes is great and we've got the Daleks being sneaky. 294 00:21:10.500 --> 00:21:12.599 We don't know what they're up to. 295 00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:14.640 I like that too. 296 00:21:14.700 --> 00:21:17.279 I think it's more scary than them barking orders, you know? 297 00:21:17.339 --> 00:21:24.960 Yeah, well, because everyone's sort of walking around the dialects completely unconcerned about their photos. 298 00:21:25.019 --> 00:21:31.920 Yeah, and we can see that look, we were long past needing the Daleks to be intelligent again. 299 00:21:31.980 --> 00:21:37.200 I'm so tired of being told, yes, yes. they can't even they shoot like storm troops. 300 00:21:37.259 --> 00:21:41.220 And they were like chopping trollies left out in the car. 301 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:43.859 It worked really well in 1966. 302 00:21:44.039 --> 00:21:44.759 Why not do it again? 303 00:21:44.880 --> 00:21:45.180 Yeah. 304 00:21:45.180 --> 00:21:47.039 Well, no, I bet that's absolutely right. 305 00:21:47.099 --> 00:21:48.839 It did work well and I think it works well here. 306 00:21:48.900 --> 00:21:52.500 And I really like the doctor playing off them as well. 307 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:53.880 We haven't talked about that since. 308 00:21:53.940 --> 00:21:55.680 We haven't talked about it. 309 00:21:55.680 --> 00:21:56.519 Yes, yes, yes, yes. 310 00:21:56.579 --> 00:22:01.140 And original viewing to current viewing of how we feel about that. 311 00:22:01.680 --> 00:22:05.220 So I didn't really rate. 312 00:22:05.279 --> 00:22:09.539 I thought that his performance, and particularly when he gets angry with the dalek to try and provoke it. 313 00:22:09.599 --> 00:22:15.180 I thought that that wasn't actually all that good, but I do, in retrospect, like it a great deal. 314 00:22:15.299 --> 00:22:17.640 I like it a hell of a lot more now than I did. 315 00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:19.200 Yeah, it actually works for me now. 316 00:22:19.259 --> 00:22:21.539 And it didn't when I 1st saw it. yeah. 317 00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:23.339 And that's the thing, right? 318 00:22:23.400 --> 00:22:29.160 Because there's been a lot of Doctor Who in the 10 plus years since this one would have aired. 319 00:22:29.220 --> 00:22:34.079 So for me, it's been a while since I've watched a bit of Matt Smith and I loved it. 320 00:22:34.140 --> 00:22:36.539 Going back and seeing how good he actually is. 321 00:22:36.660 --> 00:22:42.119 I hadn't forgotten how good he was, but just to see it again was like, oh, yeah, I love this doctor. 322 00:22:42.180 --> 00:22:43.799 I love Matt Smith in the role. 323 00:22:43.859 --> 00:22:52.680 For me, it's the way that he underplays it because Tenant, when faced with a Daleks, sores over the top. 324 00:22:52.980 --> 00:23:03.240 Um, and while Matt does get angry and, you know, like he has that scene where he smacks that one, um, with the red wrench. 325 00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:05.339 With the giant, giant wrench. 326 00:23:05.400 --> 00:23:08.640 But generally he pitches it quite low. 327 00:23:08.700 --> 00:23:17.519 And even when he has a flare of anger, you know, the next line will be delivered in a really menacing way, but in a really kind of low key way. 328 00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:27.720 And I think that all of that stuff is really great, up until the reveal, up until the Daleks reveal who they are, which is then turns into the back page of TB21. 329 00:23:28.079 --> 00:23:30.420 That's your 13.5 minute mark right there. 330 00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:34.200 Can we talk about the Freudian wrench and the Freudian cigarette? 331 00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:43.140 He does, because the wrench is the feminine of the cigar. as a female engine, not a male engine. 332 00:23:43.200 --> 00:23:44.160 That is actually how it's called. 333 00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:45.240 Right. 334 00:23:45.299 --> 00:23:46.079 Yeah. 335 00:23:46.140 --> 00:23:47.160 Yeah, it's gripping. 336 00:23:47.220 --> 00:23:48.240 Yay, patriarchy. 337 00:23:48.359 --> 00:23:49.980 Oh, yeah. 338 00:23:49.980 --> 00:23:51.000 Hardwares. 339 00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:52.859 Hardware wars. 340 00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:57.359 But yeah, it's Smith kind of had nowhere else to go with that. 341 00:23:57.480 --> 00:24:07.980 I do feel that, um, in the new era that the ninth doctor would have handled it absolutely stunningly and it would have been breathtaking. 342 00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:10.259 Tenant would have been all eyes and teeth. 343 00:24:10.380 --> 00:24:13.920 And this one is kind of somewhere in the middle. 344 00:24:13.980 --> 00:24:16.500 I would have liked to have seen Tom Baker do it. 345 00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:20.880 I think he would have only had a little bit of rush at the end because this performance feels very Tom to me. 346 00:24:20.940 --> 00:24:30.779 He has a way of saying things that are menacing without being while only being sort of very visually menacing in a very subtle way, I think. 347 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:34.980 And this is clearly something written before his performance has been seen. 348 00:24:35.039 --> 00:24:38.339 And so it's, it was written before he was carved. 349 00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:39.180 Yeah, right. 350 00:24:39.240 --> 00:24:46.200 And so, and so, they don't know what his strengths are later on in the era later on in Matt Smith's era. 351 00:24:46.259 --> 00:24:56.160 They'll just write the sort of things that he's been successful doing before, and that's a bit of a shame because, um, you know, he kind of falls into a groove a little bit. 352 00:24:56.220 --> 00:25:00.599 But his own performance is so, so good all the time, I think. 353 00:25:00.660 --> 00:25:02.039 And yeah, yeah. 354 00:25:02.099 --> 00:25:03.539 So I mean, I really like that. 355 00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:05.460 I think Amy's pretty good in this as well. 356 00:25:05.519 --> 00:25:05.940 Really? 357 00:25:05.940 --> 00:25:07.079 I do too. 358 00:25:07.140 --> 00:25:10.319 I, I, again, watching them together. 359 00:25:10.380 --> 00:25:14.460 I thought, this is actually a really good doctor companion, relationship. 360 00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:15.480 There's chemistry there. 361 00:25:15.539 --> 00:25:18.599 I don't think you get the same thing with Clara, for example. 362 00:25:18.660 --> 00:25:25.680 Um, I could even say that they're as good as perhaps Tom Baker and Elizabeth Slade? 363 00:25:25.740 --> 00:25:26.220 I don't know. 364 00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:27.119 What do you guys think? 365 00:25:27.180 --> 00:25:32.759 I tell you what, when Rory joins the crew in a couple of weeks time. 366 00:25:32.819 --> 00:25:36.660 You've got these 3 young people are all roughly the same age. 367 00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:38.640 They all get on very well. 368 00:25:38.700 --> 00:25:40.440 I think they all have great chemistry. 369 00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:43.740 And I really enjoy watching them. 370 00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:46.980 I can see her working in the margins in this one. 371 00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:49.259 I don't, that's what we've always said about Doctor Who. 372 00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:55.500 I like it when the actors are naturalistic and this Latin would have been totally believable and yet pulling the same faces. 373 00:25:55.559 --> 00:25:58.559 But with Karen, it's always so personal, isn't it? 374 00:25:58.619 --> 00:26:03.180 No, I can just see that she's, but it's just a little too disingenuous. 375 00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:10.799 It is nice that they play off each other and they certainly have a lot of personality and in fact facial traits that work together. 376 00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:16.619 And there's a beautiful moment because Moffat will always alume this with, you know, because he's a clever boy. 377 00:26:16.680 --> 00:26:23.880 And this goes back to, of course, the, um, to the imprinting of the raggedy doctor on a little, on the little girl. 378 00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:30.000 So she actually, you could say, has grown up with those memories and taken them on board as part of her own personality. 379 00:26:30.059 --> 00:26:31.920 I'd like to think it's that clever. 380 00:26:32.460 --> 00:26:44.099 I have to say, though, there is one misstep in their relationship, and this comes in quite at the end, but let's just talk about it now, which is the hint that she fancies the doctor. 381 00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:46.079 Yeah, yeah. 382 00:26:46.140 --> 00:26:50.460 So when she's talking to Bracewell at the end. more about that later. 383 00:26:50.519 --> 00:26:55.500 Um, she just says something about fancying someone you shouldn't. 384 00:26:55.500 --> 00:26:58.079 And then kind of smirks. and then, yeah. 385 00:26:58.619 --> 00:27:00.720 Well, I think the camera looks at the doctor at that point. 386 00:27:00.779 --> 00:27:02.039 We get a shot at it. 387 00:27:02.099 --> 00:27:02.880 So it's not Jeff. 388 00:27:04.380 --> 00:27:06.480 It could be, Jack. 389 00:27:06.539 --> 00:27:08.519 It should be, Jeff. 390 00:27:08.579 --> 00:27:12.420 She's metaphorically winking down the camera though, isn't she? 391 00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:12.960 Yeah. 392 00:27:13.019 --> 00:27:14.160 Yeah, but she's winking at him. 393 00:27:14.220 --> 00:27:14.880 Do you know what I mean? 394 00:27:14.940 --> 00:27:17.099 Because she's trying to get some bonding thing happening. 395 00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:23.579 But yes, but, you know, I remember watching that at the time and thinking, oh, no, not again. 396 00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:38.940 And also, I think we're going to discover during the course of the season that there's something a bit icky about the choice to have her wanting to bone, you know, her imaginary childhood friend. 397 00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:39.779 Oh my goodness. 398 00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:41.099 That's Freudian. 399 00:27:41.220 --> 00:27:44.400 They could so easily have decided not to do. 400 00:27:44.460 --> 00:27:45.599 This is where plushies. 401 00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:10.200 So, let's go on to what happens after the doctor's testimony is accepted. 402 00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:13.680 Are we going to talk about the Volkswagens now? 403 00:28:13.740 --> 00:28:15.299 I think so. 404 00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:17.700 Very British. 405 00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:29.880 They're the Spice Girls. now If they're mini coopers, does that make the dollar operators mini drivers? 406 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:32.039 I'm going to buy you. 407 00:28:32.099 --> 00:28:33.960 Oh my god. 408 00:28:34.019 --> 00:28:38.099 So we head up to Ed Thomas's tobacco factory. 409 00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:39.180 Yeah, I know. 410 00:28:39.180 --> 00:28:40.799 Fred Encounter with the Darlings. 411 00:28:40.859 --> 00:28:41.579 It works. 412 00:28:41.579 --> 00:28:42.240 It works. 413 00:28:42.299 --> 00:28:43.200 Get it? 414 00:28:43.259 --> 00:28:45.420 I really hate it so much. 415 00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:53.220 So there are pipes in the ceiling and it's like my office. 416 00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:54.299 You know what I mean? 417 00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:58.259 Like, it's not a thrilling fantasy science fiction space. 418 00:28:58.319 --> 00:28:59.039 It's my office. 419 00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:03.960 Brian Williams space in it. supply closet. 420 00:29:04.019 --> 00:29:05.579 Yes, he does. 421 00:29:05.700 --> 00:29:07.140 It's recording with Peter Tapes. 422 00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:11.400 Yeah, no, I don't like it at all. 423 00:29:11.460 --> 00:29:16.680 And then we get the Dalek paradigm things. 424 00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:20.700 Oh, the Dalek paradigm. 425 00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:25.319 Free gift with purchase with built-in Christmas LEDs. 426 00:29:25.380 --> 00:29:31.319 And honestly, you know if you open it up, it just contains the cheapest bottle of something nasty you'd never put on in your life. 427 00:29:31.380 --> 00:29:32.519 No, that's right. 428 00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:35.700 It really is the cutest little thing. 429 00:29:35.819 --> 00:29:37.079 You think, oh, it should be on a tree. 430 00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:38.220 What's it doing, you know? 431 00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:39.240 humidor. 432 00:29:39.299 --> 00:29:43.259 I mean, I have 2 plastic ones. one here and one at work. 433 00:29:43.319 --> 00:29:44.880 Are we talking about the paradigm dollars? 434 00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:46.440 I thought we projected the device. 435 00:29:46.500 --> 00:29:47.279 No, no. 436 00:29:47.339 --> 00:29:49.859 The progenitive device does, as you say, look like. 437 00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:51.599 Daleks of pleasuring. 438 00:29:51.660 --> 00:29:53.940 It's a love egg. 439 00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:04.019 Nathan, what colours? 440 00:30:04.019 --> 00:30:07.859 I just want to know what colours you chose to purchase for your 2 paradigm toys. 441 00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:11.279 So I think I think one of them might have been given to me as a gift. 442 00:30:11.339 --> 00:30:18.480 I have a an orange one and a blue one. strategist and scientist. 443 00:30:18.539 --> 00:30:19.200 Maybe. 444 00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:21.000 Yeah, because he always... 445 00:30:21.059 --> 00:30:22.619 Yeah, there was a thing, wasn't there? 446 00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:25.440 They were all ranked, weren't they, by colours? 447 00:30:25.500 --> 00:30:31.980 I don't know if buttercup yellow is my idea of eternity, but I suppose it's... 448 00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:36.299 I love the story that they tell in confidential about this. 449 00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:41.579 So Mark Gauge just came up with 4 names for, for the Daleks. 450 00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:47.579 And we couldn't think of a 5th, and so I suggested a journal, which means, I don't know. 451 00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:54.960 I think, to be fair, though, his idea was that you could decide what that meant. 452 00:30:55.019 --> 00:30:55.799 Do you know what I mean? 453 00:30:55.859 --> 00:30:58.740 Like that, that he wasn't going to impose that. 454 00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:02.460 It was going to be a bit of law that wasn't explained, and I'm absolutely all for that. 455 00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:04.859 And they aren't eternal either, are they? 456 00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:05.880 Because they never get used again. 457 00:31:05.940 --> 00:31:07.079 No, we do. 458 00:31:07.140 --> 00:31:15.900 So, the, I think they're re-sprayed and have their bum shaved off for a sign on the fadar, and then after that, you don't see them. 459 00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:25.200 Because I think they wreck one of the props, you know, when they have the stone dalek that's chasing them in the in the museum in the 2 part finale. 460 00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:29.880 And so I think that might have sort of taken care of one of the props. 461 00:31:29.940 --> 00:31:37.680 And when Doctor Who, the Problems came to Sydney, to the Sydney Opera House, Calvin bought me tickets, and I think we all went. 462 00:31:37.740 --> 00:31:40.200 Yeah, and I was sat in the front row. 463 00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:47.220 And so the Paradigm Dalek, you know, I think it was the blue one was going past, like directly in front of me. 464 00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:55.319 I could have reached out and touched it. and they're so tall and they're so imposing. and I think they look really fantastic in real life. think they're gorgeous. 465 00:31:55.440 --> 00:32:00.119 They look like something you want to play with, which is what the Daleks always were. 466 00:32:00.180 --> 00:32:01.859 Yeah, brought it back to the playground. 467 00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:03.900 And it is the nostalgia thing. 468 00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:10.019 I mean, they are very, very clearly wanting to hark back to the movie dialects, aren't they? 469 00:32:10.140 --> 00:32:12.059 That's what I think. 470 00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:13.859 I think it doesn't translate too well. 471 00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:15.240 I have a question. 472 00:32:15.299 --> 00:32:17.279 Is it a cracker or a clanger? 473 00:32:17.339 --> 00:32:18.299 I'm going with clangour. 474 00:32:19.019 --> 00:32:20.759 Wrong podcast. 475 00:32:20.819 --> 00:32:24.299 I'm going to say it's definitely a clacker. 476 00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:25.680 Okay. 477 00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:27.900 No, look, I want a clacker? 478 00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:37.920 I like them in a sense, but I think the problem is that the silhouette is all wrong. 479 00:32:37.980 --> 00:32:40.440 And so they're too spot. 480 00:32:40.500 --> 00:32:43.980 Yeah, they are the 5 door minis, not... 481 00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:45.180 Yeah, yeah, that's right. 482 00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:46.740 It's dumb countrymen. 483 00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:47.880 Yeah it is. 484 00:32:47.940 --> 00:32:50.039 And I was never popular with that one myself. 485 00:32:50.099 --> 00:32:56.819 Think about, let's compare them to the Dalek drones that were introduced in Revolution of the Daleks. 486 00:32:56.880 --> 00:33:07.619 Like my natural feeling about the Dalek redesign was, you know, that sort of fan, the Todd reaction. you know, I don't like this at all. 487 00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:08.160 This is terrible. 488 00:33:08.220 --> 00:33:09.000 Where's the door? 489 00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:25.140 But I actually, I actually really grew to like them, and I think, I thought that they were really effective, and I do think the thing about them was that it didn't interfere very much with the silhouette. 490 00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:26.400 They were very similar. 491 00:33:26.460 --> 00:33:36.059 They were a bit smaller. and a little bit narrower at the top, but it still had that basic kind of, you know, a flat back and a sloped front and stuff like that. 492 00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:38.160 And they hadn't done that the previous year. 493 00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:45.599 I thought that the Dalekin resolution looked terrible, not just because it was made out of junk, because that was part of the story, but just they seemed to get the silhouette wrong. 494 00:33:45.660 --> 00:33:47.160 Whereas I thought these ones were fine. 495 00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:53.220 But however much I have a massive soft spot for, um, the new paradigm Dialects. 496 00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:56.039 I'm not sorry, but they didn't stick around. 497 00:33:56.099 --> 00:34:04.980 Also, they're meant to have wandered off into the Universe to go and take over and be marvellous and clever, and they also shoot anything that doesn't look like them. 498 00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:05.819 Yeah. 499 00:34:05.819 --> 00:34:07.079 The pretty box things. 500 00:34:07.140 --> 00:34:08.699 I thought that was actually a real nod too. 501 00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:10.260 I've taken over RTD. 502 00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:12.960 Yes, yes. 503 00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:14.579 Yeah, good luck. 504 00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:17.340 Wasn't there some, wasn't there some talk on set at the time? 505 00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:21.179 like, wasn't Moffat referring to series 5 as series one? 506 00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:23.219 Yes. 507 00:34:23.219 --> 00:34:25.260 This is something that Steve was telling me. 508 00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:27.059 Seriously, just yesterday. 509 00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:29.099 Yeah, you're right. one or 31. 510 00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:30.780 That's all he would allow. 511 00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:32.099 I mean, yeah, look, trip enough. 512 00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:33.059 That's probably just puppies. 513 00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:33.780 I think this world. 514 00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:35.159 They did it in Twim. 515 00:34:35.219 --> 00:34:36.659 Like Dwim renumbered it. 516 00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:37.800 Like that season. 517 00:34:37.860 --> 00:34:39.659 And they went, oh, actually, that's not a good idea. 518 00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:55.860 I mean, the other thing that he does, which is pretty daring is he, I'm not going to say wipes out of continuity because those words have no meaning, but no one on earth can now remember the stolen earth and journey's end, which is merely sort of 4 episodes. 519 00:34:55.860 --> 00:34:57.659 They saw the doctor's crap. 520 00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:01.380 And his time crack. 521 00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:02.340 Yeah, yeah. 522 00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:05.159 I'm not gonna finish my thought there. 523 00:35:05.219 --> 00:35:05.820 Sorry. 524 00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:17.880 And like I've said before, that Moffatt likes Russell's Doctor Who, and he does refer to it, and this isn't the last time that he'll refer explicitly to things that happen in RTDs, Doctor Who. 525 00:35:17.940 --> 00:35:28.260 Um, but yeah, I do think the optics of the Moffatt, Daleks, shooting the, uh, RTD dialects into non-existence, uh, it's a very resonant. 526 00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:39.119 I do think that the ensuing scene is incredibly boring. 527 00:35:39.780 --> 00:35:47.460 Well, so once we have the reveal of the new paradigm dialect, ducks and runs away. 528 00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:48.300 Yeah, yeah. 529 00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:49.320 All of them. 530 00:35:49.380 --> 00:35:50.699 Yeah, that's terribly fun. 531 00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:51.840 That is so fun. 532 00:35:51.900 --> 00:35:53.519 But then we just get a long... 533 00:35:53.579 --> 00:35:55.559 They all turn their backs on him and watch the telly. 534 00:35:56.639 --> 00:36:01.500 I think that's my favourite thing about Matt Smith, Doctor, is very Trouton. 535 00:36:01.619 --> 00:36:04.079 Except twice the height. 536 00:36:04.139 --> 00:36:05.820 Very much so in this story. 537 00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:08.820 Although in China never really lost his temper either. 538 00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:13.679 I don't think it's a good idea for actors in this role to do that because it's bulgarized. 539 00:36:13.739 --> 00:36:14.579 You can always overplay it. 540 00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:17.340 I think Eggleston would have got it more right than any of them. 541 00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:18.900 And I think Tom would have got it very right. 542 00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:23.639 Billy would have also got it perfectly and just under pitch boys under pitch. 543 00:36:23.699 --> 00:36:25.019 But what else is Matt going to do? 544 00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:27.539 You got a bloody 12 inch wrench in your hand? 545 00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:28.980 Actually, 24 inch range. 546 00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:29.519 What are you going to do? 547 00:36:29.579 --> 00:36:30.179 Yeah, yeah. 548 00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:34.260 Wave it magically. so I don't think so. 549 00:36:34.500 --> 00:36:37.260 Gabby, it gives it an impressive while. 550 00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:38.400 He does whale on that thing. 551 00:36:38.460 --> 00:36:39.179 Oh yeah. 552 00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:41.219 I don't know. really goes for it. 553 00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:42.840 I think it's polystary, though. 554 00:36:42.900 --> 00:36:43.739 I wasn't worried. 555 00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:45.780 That ring was evidently lightweight. 556 00:36:46.920 --> 00:37:00.420 But I mean, the ensuing scene is really just now he's 5 minutes of the doctor and the Daleks explaining why we're introducing these new toy Daleks and what the testimony is and all of that. 557 00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:06.719 And I think, you know, like they managed to divide the dialogue up between the doctor and the Daleks because the doctor's smart. 558 00:37:06.780 --> 00:37:08.460 He deduces what's going on. 559 00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:11.639 But it does grind the stories or hold, I think. 560 00:37:11.699 --> 00:37:13.440 Yes, it does. 561 00:37:13.500 --> 00:37:17.280 And that's why again, I don't feel that this would have suffered from being a 2 partner. 562 00:37:17.340 --> 00:37:21.059 Maybe they didn't because what they saw from Daleks and Manhattan. 563 00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:27.900 Maybe they just, but that also had squid root head dialling, you know, speaking of Freud. 564 00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:30.059 Well, speaking of Whittaker as well. 565 00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:32.039 You know, humans and daleks. 566 00:37:32.099 --> 00:37:33.900 Yeah, exactly, the paranoid. 567 00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:43.320 I don't think you can go wrong with Doctor Who when you put enough thought into it and just go into the tertiary level of what this can mean. 568 00:37:43.380 --> 00:37:51.780 And Doctor Who, I feel, always fails when it treats itself too thinly, as if it's a kid show, and it always had done, right way back. 569 00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:55.500 In fact, I think the 70s, um, are actually more guilty of that. 570 00:37:55.559 --> 00:38:03.119 I'm not going to talk about script editors in particular, though I think the 80s is in fact trying too hard on some levels to be something that Doctor Who isn't. 571 00:38:03.179 --> 00:38:07.860 But you might sort of see that even in the 70s and very light stories. 572 00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:15.900 So, some Taran, um, invasion, but that 2 partner. where you could say that that's not really pushing the limits either. 573 00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:26.579 But of course it is because it's about human endurance and about community and how much we actually care for each other and what happens when compassion is discarded. 574 00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:30.599 Now that could have been, it really only needs a note like that in this story. 575 00:38:30.659 --> 00:38:37.199 I mean, you can see it's trying for that, but he's kind of like a kid that's just been given his 1st pianoism and he's hitting all the keys at once. 576 00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:38.039 Yeah. 577 00:38:38.099 --> 00:38:43.619 Well, I wonder too, whether if the Dalek redesign was imposed on them. 578 00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:44.519 It was. 579 00:38:44.579 --> 00:38:51.360 They've scooped out the middle of the story and replaced it with a sort of fairly long introduction. 580 00:38:51.900 --> 00:38:55.199 That stuff doesn't say anything very much. 581 00:38:55.619 --> 00:38:57.360 It's just merch. 582 00:38:57.480 --> 00:38:58.320 Yeah, yeah. 583 00:38:58.380 --> 00:38:58.980 Well, that's it. 584 00:38:59.039 --> 00:38:59.639 Yeah, that's right. 585 00:38:59.699 --> 00:39:01.260 Toy companies rubbing their hands. 586 00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:06.179 I think my favourite use of these new Daleks was on the cover of the radio times. 587 00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:11.820 During the 2010 election, they had a blue dog, a red dog, and a yellow dog. 588 00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:13.980 What does that say about politician? 589 00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:16.559 They were now mad monsters. 590 00:39:16.619 --> 00:39:18.300 Don't blame me. 591 00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:19.440 I voted for Kodos. 592 00:39:21.179 --> 00:39:25.619 Yeah, so it leaves the story not being about anything. 593 00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:26.820 Is that the problem? 594 00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:28.679 It's about comics. 595 00:39:28.739 --> 00:39:37.860 We know how much Gatis admires Neil Gaiman, and this is really trying to be what if Doctor Who had started as a graphic novel. 596 00:39:37.980 --> 00:39:39.960 Because I can't say comics anymore. 597 00:39:40.019 --> 00:39:44.099 But it has a feel of game and style to it without actually going into his depth. 598 00:39:44.340 --> 00:39:47.820 Yeah, I think it is very sort of service. 599 00:39:47.880 --> 00:40:00.119 I mean, I guess the closest thing that there is to, It trying to be about something is the scene at the end with the Braithwell robot. 600 00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:07.260 So do we talk about the love conquers all ending and whether it's a cracker or whether it's a clangour? 601 00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:08.039 do you think? 602 00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:10.380 I think it's a clanger. 603 00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:12.119 I think it's a tired... 604 00:40:13.019 --> 00:40:16.260 I'm going to say that the casting for this story is quite good in the sense. 605 00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:20.099 I like, I'm not sure who it is who plays Bracewell, but I do like him. 606 00:40:20.460 --> 00:40:23.340 He makes you, I felt for him. 607 00:40:23.340 --> 00:40:28.019 And also, in principle, the love conquers all ending is right. 608 00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:33.599 But writing wise, I'm not sure the plot is constructed well enough for it. 609 00:40:33.659 --> 00:40:38.280 Um, defeating hate with love is the right message, I think. 610 00:40:38.340 --> 00:40:42.659 But I feel like we've seen it touched too many times before, maybe. 611 00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:44.460 And we are going to see it again. 612 00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:53.519 I think I think it's a little bit more complicated than just love conquers all because you remember that what the doctor tries to do is to get him to have human feelings. 613 00:40:53.820 --> 00:40:55.619 Yeah, and I want to talk about that too. 614 00:40:55.679 --> 00:41:00.840 Like how do you, how do you, how do you convince a bomb into thinking that it isn't a bomb? 615 00:41:00.900 --> 00:41:03.719 I just think it's Doctor Who and do you know what I mean? 616 00:41:04.980 --> 00:41:06.960 Yeah, you don't. 617 00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:17.699 But, you know, like the doctor gets him to try and remember his dead parents, like the 1st World War and stuff and it just makes it accelerate. 618 00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:21.480 And Amy, for the 2nd time in a row. 619 00:41:21.539 --> 00:41:27.599 Yes, yeah, actually comes up with a solution and she's the one who suggests it's about love. 620 00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:32.820 Yeah, that's right, once again. she brings in the murder unrequited blue balls. 621 00:41:44.940 --> 00:41:47.219 That's originally scripted. 622 00:41:47.219 --> 00:41:51.539 They were supposed to take him back to the little village post office. 623 00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:53.400 Oh, Yeah. 624 00:41:53.460 --> 00:41:54.659 How lovely that would have been. 625 00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:58.199 I would have liked a bit, but they hastily rewrote it because they could afford it. 626 00:41:58.260 --> 00:42:02.159 And to find Dorabella and explain why he's got wires hanging out of his wrist. 627 00:42:02.460 --> 00:42:06.659 And who the hell he is because... 628 00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:09.179 That's right. 629 00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:12.179 I mean, he probably sat behind her in English, you know, when they were nine. 630 00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:19.800 She probably wouldn't have any idea who it was. to go back there and find that the Bill Patterson character is married to Dora Bella. and then the poor... 631 00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:21.059 It's a dark replicant. 632 00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:22.260 Pamelia. 633 00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:23.820 Now that would be interesting. 634 00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:27.059 What happens to him maybe goes stays with the TARDIS for a week. 635 00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:29.400 Maybe he actually will be serious. 636 00:42:29.460 --> 00:42:31.619 Or like angel finding one moment of pleasure. 637 00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:32.280 Sorry. 638 00:42:33.179 --> 00:42:37.920 I mean, he does pack a suitcase and sort of head off at the end. 639 00:42:39.059 --> 00:42:45.840 But then he's back in the cabinet war room sort of for episode, you know, 12 or whatever. 640 00:42:45.900 --> 00:42:49.199 So I don't know whether that actually takes. 641 00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:54.059 Because Dorabella was an implanted memory, he probably didn't find her. 642 00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:57.239 Oh, that's so unromantic though. 643 00:42:57.300 --> 00:42:59.159 It's sad, yeah. 644 00:42:59.699 --> 00:43:04.440 There is one line that he's he's a copy that, you know, yeah. 645 00:43:04.500 --> 00:43:07.679 I think the diet's got the imagination to come up with adorable. 646 00:43:07.739 --> 00:43:08.340 Right. 647 00:43:08.340 --> 00:43:08.820 Yeah. 648 00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:11.219 Yeah, that he's someone else's stolen name. 649 00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:13.320 He can't stand the... 650 00:43:13.380 --> 00:43:15.239 Yeah, yeah. 651 00:43:15.300 --> 00:43:17.699 There's every all braceable up there. 652 00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:19.739 No, I but I agree. 653 00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:20.699 I think he is lovely. 654 00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:22.679 He's, um... 655 00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:23.460 Yeah, everything. 656 00:43:23.699 --> 00:43:26.340 The scene where they where they let him go. 657 00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:30.000 Yeah, and he's just, he's just so dim. 658 00:43:31.260 --> 00:43:34.320 You want to bundle in up and protect him, don't you? 659 00:43:34.380 --> 00:43:35.099 Yeah. 660 00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:39.000 And he's amazingly shredded once you get his shirt off. 661 00:43:39.539 --> 00:43:41.699 Like very metal as well. 662 00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:44.159 Taught. 663 00:43:44.219 --> 00:43:45.780 Very taught. 664 00:43:45.780 --> 00:43:46.500 Bronzed. 665 00:43:49.559 --> 00:44:06.059 I think there's also sort of evidence that something has been cut out in the middle because, like, I think that scene, that incredible scene, the, you know, jeopardy, the Daleks brilliantly can't blow the planet up or can't blow London up, so they just turn all the lights on. 666 00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:08.579 Like, I think that's tremendous. 667 00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:10.260 And then... 668 00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:13.019 Then, of course, we get the Spitfires attacking. 669 00:44:13.139 --> 00:44:25.079 Um, but how exactly, like, I hate people whose criticism of shows consists of, uh, you know, the complaint that the plot is full of whole. 670 00:44:25.139 --> 00:44:26.579 Or the science doesn't. 671 00:44:26.699 --> 00:44:27.179 Yeah, yeah. 672 00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:27.780 Who cares? 673 00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:28.739 It's Doctor Who. 674 00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:35.099 But I did actually, I found it sort of super annoying that we're told that the Germans are coming in 10 minutes. 675 00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:36.659 They've been spotted. 676 00:44:36.780 --> 00:44:43.320 Somehow they've managed to retrofit Spitfires with gravity bubbles. 10 minutes. 10 minutes. 677 00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:43.739 Yeah. 678 00:44:43.860 --> 00:44:52.380 There's a little thing that sort of seems to be bolted to the back of the cockpit, like a flashing lights thing, which is clearly intended to be whatever the hell it is. 679 00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:53.159 Yeah. 680 00:44:53.159 --> 00:45:03.420 But, you know, the gravity bubbles thing seems to be, seems to be kind of paperwork when Bracewell kind of brandishes it. 681 00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:05.159 It doesn't actually seem to have been made. 682 00:45:05.219 --> 00:45:06.179 It's just an idea. 683 00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:08.400 And it could have been so easily fixed. 684 00:45:08.460 --> 00:45:11.280 All you would have had to do is have him something along the lines. 685 00:45:11.340 --> 00:45:14.639 Well, how long is it going to take to make this thing and he's go, well, I've already got some prototypes and that's it. 686 00:45:14.699 --> 00:45:16.500 It's like, just come to my laboratory. 687 00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:35.219 Yeah, and and, you know, that sort of thing, you can head candidate or whatever, and it doesn't actually matter all that much, but it just looked to me like evidence that some story stuff had been kind of cut in order for the long paradigm dalek scene to kind of play out. 688 00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:37.260 Yeah. 689 00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:39.719 It does feel sandwiched in there, doesn't it? 690 00:45:39.780 --> 00:45:48.059 Yeah, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a bit of a front-end collision or, I should say, a rear end collision of 2 stories. 691 00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:50.699 And then it's my 2nd story. 692 00:45:50.699 --> 00:45:53.340 And the 2nd story belongs only in a comic book. 693 00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:54.659 It doesn't really work on TV. 694 00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:56.340 Oh, it does, but not in a comic. 695 00:45:56.460 --> 00:45:58.260 Maybe it does work in the context of this. 696 00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:05.460 It's not making people's favourite story, but I actually really love it for, for the funness of it and it hits all the child spots. 697 00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:07.739 I think if you're 7, you're watching this. you gonna love it. 698 00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:09.480 Yeah, it is fun. 699 00:46:09.539 --> 00:46:10.559 It really is fun. 700 00:46:10.619 --> 00:46:19.860 I think that's absolutely worth remembering, speaking as people who've been producing a very, very long podcast about how tight. 701 00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:41.519 So, for Richard, this will always be the two part of it never was, and so he has a pick of a week for us. 702 00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:42.659 Two for you. 703 00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:43.559 Young people. 704 00:46:43.619 --> 00:47:06.480 Um, if you love the feel of this, I would say, hurry along to radio 4, radio 4 extract, which is on the interwebs and free for everyone, Hut 33, which I might have mentioned before that has, uh, big finishes Alexander McQueen as one of the Masters and our own Olivia Coleman, a lot of other great folk, and it's about Bletchley Park. 705 00:47:06.539 --> 00:47:08.280 It's about the wrong end. 706 00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:12.059 It's like Dan's Army said, Bletchley Park, and it's really, really funny. 707 00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:24.000 And the other one that I'm loving in the moment, which is on radio 4, is called Dot by Ed Harris, who is a terrific comic writer who's had great success at Edinburgh Fringe, and it stars our own Vanilla Woolgar. 708 00:47:24.059 --> 00:47:39.900 And Jane Slayton, who, of course, is a big Finnish 4th doctor companion, and is equally hilarious, and it's about the cabinet war rooms and the girls, and it's horrendous, and it's all about bigger fame, racism, sexism in the funniest, wittiest way. 709 00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:41.159 I really do think. 710 00:47:41.340 --> 00:47:46.619 Maybe this show would have actually worked better as an audio for the same reasons. 711 00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:49.440 You know, Nick gets it right. 712 00:47:49.500 --> 00:47:51.539 They're able to go far deeper into. 713 00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:59.639 Um, you look at their fantastic master's range with um, with Jacobi and just how great the character development is in those shows. 714 00:47:59.699 --> 00:48:03.960 Say it quickly 3 times and you'll get a dark paradigm spinoff series. 715 00:48:04.019 --> 00:48:07.079 Um... 716 00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:10.920 I like that won't stop Nicholas Briggs. 717 00:48:37.980 --> 00:48:40.679 Well, new listener, that's all we have time for this week. 718 00:48:40.739 --> 00:48:47.820 We'll be back next week for a quick trip to church on the planet Alpha from Matraxus in the time of angels. 719 00:48:48.119 --> 00:49:03.719 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts, and you can keep up with us at Flightthrough Entirety on Facebook, at FTE podcast on Twitter, and on our website, FlightForEntirety.com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger and Jody IntoTara. 720 00:49:03.780 --> 00:49:06.059 Cole, where can people find you? 721 00:49:06.119 --> 00:49:10.679 Oh, well, you can find me over the pond at New To Who. 722 00:49:10.739 --> 00:49:13.019 We're on iTunes. 723 00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:16.320 We're on Facebook, we're on Twitter at Utahoo podcast. 724 00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:23.039 Also, email address, email us at Utahoo podcast at gmail.com. 725 00:49:23.099 --> 00:49:23.760 We don't get many. 726 00:49:23.820 --> 00:49:25.679 We're trying to record more episodes. 727 00:49:25.739 --> 00:49:30.719 It's been a little bit staggered lately, but um, yeah, we're still around anyway. 728 00:49:30.780 --> 00:49:35.760 Um, and there's a bit of a back catalogue there if anyone wants to jump in and have a listen. 729 00:49:35.820 --> 00:49:42.300 And also, I want to plug the wonderful Joe Ford, who is his upcoming podcast, Hamps, with a blunt penknife. 730 00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:46.920 I'll be jumping on there at some point as well, and look out for it because he's great. 731 00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:58.380 Until next time, please try and remember that while the power of love is not generally the most effective way of diffusing a bomb, it is nevertheless a force from above, which cleans the soul. 732 00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:00.599 So make it your goal. 733 00:50:00.659 --> 00:50:03.360 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 734 00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:04.380 Good night. 735 00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:05.760 Good night. 736 00:50:05.820 --> 00:50:07.139 Good vending. 737 00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:16.619 That was Flight Through Entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, James Selwood, Paul Solito, and Richard Stone. 738 00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:18.840 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb. 739 00:50:18.900 --> 00:50:25.800 This episode, 13.5 minutes, was recorded on the 31st of January 2021 and released on the 28th of March. 740 00:50:28.980 --> 00:50:39.539 Today we announced the release of a series of plastic figurines of your favourite FDE hosts and guests, available in a range of colours and an upsettingly large range of sizes. 741 00:50:39.599 --> 00:50:45.179 Preorder them today, we can't wait to find out what you end up doing with them. 742 00:50:48.239 --> 00:50:58.559 All right, I'll put that at the end, but do we want, um, do we want, does anyone have a sort of final statement or something they want to say or a way of summing up where we, where we came to? 743 00:50:58.619 --> 00:51:01.980 Maybe that talk about it being fun is the way to end it. 744 00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:02.760 Yeah. 745 00:51:02.820 --> 00:51:03.420 Yeah. 746 00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:04.500 Because it is fun. 747 00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:06.300 Yeah, I think that's, yeah. 748 00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:10.019 And like, as Richard said, a 7 year old is going to absolutely adore it. 749 00:51:10.019 --> 00:51:12.719 And I think that's always important to remember with Doctor Who. 750 00:51:12.780 --> 00:51:14.400 Yeah, and the memories. 751 00:51:14.519 --> 00:51:18.360 It's about visual keys and they will stay in their heads and yeah. 752 00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:21.900 That's right And you want them to grow up with it, much like we all have. 753 00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:22.500 You want them to. 754 00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:29.460 I always think that people who complain that like the RTD era is full of set pieces. too popular. 755 00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:36.659 I haven't been paying attention to the best of Doctor Who for a start and haven't been paying attention to the way the Doctor Who is perceived. 756 00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:37.679 Do you know what I mean? 757 00:51:37.739 --> 00:51:40.019 Like as a series of like these amazing moments. 758 00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:43.500 How well did this do in the race? 759 00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:44.460 Oh, it's early in the season. 760 00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:48.900 Um, It got in the final rating was 7.82 million. 761 00:51:49.019 --> 00:51:50.099 That's not too bad. 762 00:51:50.099 --> 00:51:52.019 An appreciation to end up in 84. 763 00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:56.280 It came right behind Britain's got talent as number two, I think. 764 00:51:56.940 --> 00:51:58.500 In the week. 765 00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:06.179 No, it's his 4th most viewed program on the BBC and 11th most viewed program of the week. 766 00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:08.099 Okay, maybe the evening now. 767 00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:09.840 Maybe the evening. 768 00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:11.880 All right. 769 00:52:11.940 --> 00:52:12.360 Okay. 770 00:52:12.420 --> 00:52:16.139 Well, I'll do a, uh, the outro.