WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-04 at 17:44:52 1 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:39.299 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight Through 2 00:00:39.299 --> 00:00:39.780 Entirety. 3 00:00:39.899 --> 00:00:43.619 The only Doctor Who podcast, which makes you dangerous to yourself 4 00:00:43.619 --> 00:00:45.060 when we're around. 5 00:00:45.119 --> 00:00:46.920 I'm Nathan. 6 00:00:46.979 --> 00:00:47.700 I'm James. 7 00:00:47.759 --> 00:00:48.659 I'm Todd. 8 00:00:48.780 --> 00:00:49.619 I'm Karen. 9 00:00:49.679 --> 00:00:54.479 Well, this week we're all hiding inside this giant cake, ready to 10 00:00:54.479 --> 00:00:58.740 burst forth and either fix or ruin Amy and Rory's relationship. 11 00:00:58.799 --> 00:01:03.539 Will a romantic trip to a recently plague free Venice help? 12 00:01:03.600 --> 00:01:08.219 Let's find out, as we spend some quality holiday time, with the 13 00:01:08.219 --> 00:01:09.780 vampires of Venice. 14 00:01:24.840 --> 00:01:31.079 So, Karen, are you pro Matt Smith jumping out of a cake or anti 15 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:32.939 Matt Smith jumping out of the cake? 16 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:34.859 I'm going to have to say pro. 17 00:01:34.980 --> 00:01:38.400 I watched it last night for the 1st time in a long time and I 18 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:40.980 hadn't laughed so hard for so long. 19 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:44.219 It's a great moment It is, it is. 20 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:47.819 Just the look of total confusion on his face just adds to it 21 00:01:47.819 --> 00:01:48.000 really. 22 00:01:48.060 --> 00:01:50.879 He's trying to help, isn't he? 23 00:01:50.939 --> 00:01:54.299 And he sort of stuffs it up by telling literally everyone there 24 00:01:54.299 --> 00:01:57.480 that he's kissed Amy and then he thinks he'll fix that by saying 25 00:01:57.480 --> 00:01:58.859 she's a great kisser. 26 00:01:58.920 --> 00:02:00.719 And then he just sort of stands there. 27 00:02:00.780 --> 00:02:06.480 And it's so well edited because we're made to feel uncomfortable 28 00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:08.400 just waiting for the shot to end. 29 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:12.539 And he does something random with his like right hand to like 30 00:02:12.539 --> 00:02:16.500 brush some paper out of the way or something and he sort of gulps 31 00:02:16.500 --> 00:02:18.780 and stuff, but he absolutely nails it, I think. 32 00:02:18.840 --> 00:02:21.240 He's like one of those friends that you have. 33 00:02:21.300 --> 00:02:24.000 You absolutely love them dearly, but they just make your face palm 34 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:24.960 a lot. 35 00:02:25.020 --> 00:02:27.000 Whilst I agree with you. 36 00:02:27.060 --> 00:02:31.439 In terms of the editing of that, like, you know, it does make you 37 00:02:31.439 --> 00:02:34.259 sort of like embarrassed us to what's going on. 38 00:02:34.319 --> 00:02:37.500 I actually find the ending of that really just, I'm kind of going 39 00:02:37.500 --> 00:02:37.800 what? 40 00:02:37.860 --> 00:02:39.419 Like, that's sort of the end of it. 41 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:41.219 Like, I don't find it awkward. 42 00:02:41.280 --> 00:02:43.020 I just find it badly edited at that point. 43 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:47.219 It just sort of ends and I just don't like that bit of editing. 44 00:02:47.280 --> 00:02:49.319 See, I think it's a deliberate choice. 45 00:02:49.379 --> 00:02:53.219 And I think what this what this teaser does is it subverts the 46 00:02:53.219 --> 00:02:54.419 normal Doctor Who teaser. 47 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:56.699 So we've had the normal Doctor Who teaser. 48 00:02:56.819 --> 00:03:02.460 And is originally scripted and and edited. 49 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:08.699 It was actually Isabella screaming going into the title sequence 50 00:03:08.699 --> 00:03:13.080 and they decided to flip it and make it, you know, a comedy 51 00:03:13.080 --> 00:03:14.099 opening instead. 52 00:03:14.159 --> 00:03:16.560 And so that's the teaser. 53 00:03:16.620 --> 00:03:21.000 As you watch it, the teaser is very clearly, Guido presenting 54 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:26.219 Isabella to Rosanna, and then he leaves or is dragged out or 55 00:03:26.219 --> 00:03:30.180 whatever, and then she screams when she sees Francesco's fish 56 00:03:30.180 --> 00:03:31.080 teeth. 57 00:03:31.319 --> 00:03:34.319 And that's absolutely meant to be where the titles are. 58 00:03:34.379 --> 00:03:38.219 And instead, we intercut with Rory screaming at the same time at 59 00:03:38.219 --> 00:03:40.020 his sort of buck stew. 60 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:43.500 And then we get this sort of ludicrous scene. 61 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:47.879 And so the editing there where you're just kind of sitting there 62 00:03:47.879 --> 00:03:51.360 for a 2nd going, why aren't the opening credits coming in? 63 00:03:51.419 --> 00:03:55.560 Like that's a deliberate sort of attempt to make us feel as 64 00:03:55.560 --> 00:03:58.500 awkward as that situation sort of clearly is? 65 00:03:58.560 --> 00:04:04.020 And so, you know, like I reckon that the teaser is always about 66 00:04:04.020 --> 00:04:06.000 what the episode's going to be about. 67 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:10.860 And so a teaser that's all about Rosanna and Isabella and stuff 68 00:04:10.860 --> 00:04:14.520 gives the wrong impression because this is an episode about the 69 00:04:14.520 --> 00:04:18.540 doctor trying to fix Amy and Rory's relationship with varying 70 00:04:18.540 --> 00:04:19.259 degrees of success. 71 00:04:20.279 --> 00:04:23.160 Everybody keeps looking at me at this point. 72 00:04:23.220 --> 00:04:27.060 I actually think the whole, the way which is, the Amy Rory thing 73 00:04:27.060 --> 00:04:29.519 is it treated is, is like a rom-com. 74 00:04:29.579 --> 00:04:30.060 Yeah. 75 00:04:30.120 --> 00:04:31.560 And I don't think it's real. 76 00:04:31.620 --> 00:04:34.740 Like it actually an, it's a double-edged sword. 77 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:38.639 Like, I'm just going to say this, like, you've got Rory treated as 78 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:39.180 a eunuch. 79 00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:43.139 Then Rory is just as good to be her brother rather than her actual 80 00:04:43.139 --> 00:04:46.620 lover, and then Rory's little light thing is smaller than the 81 00:04:46.620 --> 00:04:47.100 doctors. 82 00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:49.319 And then Rory is saved by her. 83 00:04:49.379 --> 00:04:51.360 At no point in this at all. 84 00:04:51.480 --> 00:04:52.860 Does she ever say I'm sorry for this? 85 00:04:52.920 --> 00:04:54.600 She never says I love you to Rory? 86 00:04:54.660 --> 00:04:55.019 No. 87 00:04:55.079 --> 00:04:58.800 And I think for me, watching it the 1st time through, this is the 88 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:01.259 episode that did the most damage to Amy's character. 89 00:05:01.379 --> 00:05:03.420 I just thought you're a selfish cow. 90 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:08.100 And, um, and it doesn't make Rory feel like a real person. 91 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:10.860 In fact, I don't think Rory feels like a real person, probably 92 00:05:10.860 --> 00:05:14.639 until he's plastic, and their relationship isn't real until that 93 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:15.240 point either. 94 00:05:15.300 --> 00:05:19.439 But, as I said, it's a double-edged sword because imagine if you 95 00:05:19.439 --> 00:05:21.779 started with, let's sit down and let's talk about this. 96 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:23.160 I mean how boring would that be? 97 00:05:23.220 --> 00:05:25.319 So I actually really enjoy this episode. 98 00:05:25.379 --> 00:05:28.620 And I find a lot of those things very funny, but at the same time 99 00:05:28.620 --> 00:05:29.699 I do have a problem with... 100 00:05:29.699 --> 00:05:30.660 At the expense of the character. 101 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:31.680 Well, that's what I feel. 102 00:05:31.740 --> 00:05:34.920 And, you know, I've said in the past that I've had a problem with 103 00:05:34.920 --> 00:05:37.319 Amy and I've had a problem with Karen's performance, but I'm 104 00:05:37.319 --> 00:05:40.620 actually really liking Karen's performance this season because I 105 00:05:40.620 --> 00:05:43.019 watched past this as well and I think she does a great job at 106 00:05:43.019 --> 00:05:45.779 comedy and she actually plays this episode really well, but she 107 00:05:45.779 --> 00:05:46.680 can only play what's written. 108 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:47.100 Yeah. 109 00:05:47.100 --> 00:05:51.420 And so yeah, so for me, the one negative in this is that I just 110 00:05:51.420 --> 00:05:57.000 don't, I just feel that it's treated like a rom-com sitcom and it 111 00:05:57.000 --> 00:06:00.180 does a real disservice to her character for me in this. 112 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:01.860 That actually makes sense. 113 00:06:01.920 --> 00:06:03.540 Now that you say it. 114 00:06:03.660 --> 00:06:06.779 Because it's been so long since I've watched, I just sort of took 115 00:06:06.779 --> 00:06:10.139 it at face value and didn't think too deeply into it, but I can 116 00:06:10.139 --> 00:06:12.300 see exactly what you're getting at with that. 117 00:06:12.360 --> 00:06:13.019 It's quite true. 118 00:06:13.079 --> 00:06:18.839 I mean, we're going to talk next week about, I think, how that 119 00:06:18.839 --> 00:06:19.980 issue is solved. 120 00:06:19.980 --> 00:06:25.079 That that in fact, by the end of next week, it's very, very clear 121 00:06:25.079 --> 00:06:30.120 that Amy prefers Rory over the doctor. 122 00:06:30.180 --> 00:06:32.699 In this episode, it's still touch and go. 123 00:06:32.699 --> 00:06:37.800 And I think that scene, whether in Guido's place where they're 124 00:06:37.800 --> 00:06:45.300 arguing over who should accompany Amy to the school, and it's just 125 00:06:45.300 --> 00:06:50.699 assumed by Karen that the doctor should play her fiance, and then 126 00:06:50.699 --> 00:06:55.079 assumed by Karen that Rory should play her brother, and then Guido 127 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:58.620 interjects and says, oh, I thought you were, you know, the doctor 128 00:06:58.620 --> 00:07:00.240 were the fiance. 129 00:07:00.300 --> 00:07:02.879 So Whitehouse is sort of a comedy writer. 130 00:07:02.879 --> 00:07:05.759 And Moffatt definitely is a comedy writer. 131 00:07:05.759 --> 00:07:10.379 And so I think, yeah, we don't get a kind of level of realism 132 00:07:10.379 --> 00:07:11.579 about the relationship here. 133 00:07:11.699 --> 00:07:13.980 It is kind of being played for laughs. 134 00:07:14.040 --> 00:07:18.060 And I do think next week it won't be played for laughs. 135 00:07:18.120 --> 00:07:22.980 And from next week onwards, it becomes clear that whenever Amy is 136 00:07:22.980 --> 00:07:25.500 given the choice between Rory and the doctor, she will always 137 00:07:25.500 --> 00:07:26.639 choose Rory. 138 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:31.500 And also next week, and sort of fairly kind of implausibly, I 139 00:07:31.500 --> 00:07:37.199 think, Amy will say to Rory, I love you for the 1st time. which 140 00:07:37.199 --> 00:07:40.139 seems odd the night before their wedding. 141 00:07:40.199 --> 00:07:41.279 But whatever, you know. 142 00:07:41.339 --> 00:07:45.360 Yeah, well, I mean, I can see that because it's pretty clear 143 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:49.860 earlier than that, that she is very hesitant about getting married 144 00:07:49.860 --> 00:07:54.420 and I don't think it's because she doesn't like or love Rory. 145 00:07:54.480 --> 00:07:57.540 I just think it's one of those moments where you think, holy crap 146 00:07:57.540 --> 00:07:58.439 am I at that stage already? 147 00:07:58.500 --> 00:07:59.519 Yeah. 148 00:07:59.579 --> 00:07:59.819 Yeah. 149 00:07:59.879 --> 00:08:03.240 Well, I think this is about kind of escaping adulthood by 150 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:04.680 regressing into your childhood. 151 00:08:04.740 --> 00:08:08.579 It's um, it's a whole season of Doctor Who is the Runaway Bride. 152 00:08:08.639 --> 00:08:09.180 Yeah. 153 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:12.720 Yeah, but I mean, she's running away deliberately in order to 154 00:08:12.720 --> 00:08:17.579 avoid adulthood and the doctor kind of has started to be aware 155 00:08:17.579 --> 00:08:21.480 that this is all going wrong. and he wants to fix it, but he 156 00:08:21.480 --> 00:08:23.939 doesn't manage it really at all this episode. 157 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:28.680 It's just interesting because like next week, I don't know if she 158 00:08:28.680 --> 00:08:31.620 actually says, I love you to Rory, like when he's actually there, I 159 00:08:31.620 --> 00:08:33.779 thought he's actually dead by that stage and she says, I never 160 00:08:33.779 --> 00:08:34.379 said, I love you. 161 00:08:34.440 --> 00:08:35.399 Right? 162 00:08:35.460 --> 00:08:39.720 And so, and he says it to her and like she will die for him, but I 163 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:41.639 even next week's episode, which I dearly love. 164 00:08:41.700 --> 00:08:44.100 I still don't quite feel it at the end of it. 165 00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:45.419 I mean, that's just me. 166 00:08:45.480 --> 00:08:50.399 And it's only actually when she's with Vincent and the doctor. when 167 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:52.860 I really feel it and think she does a wonderful job and you 168 00:08:52.860 --> 00:08:55.379 realise how much she does love Rory at that point. 169 00:08:55.440 --> 00:08:58.740 So for me, I've still got these next few episodes with Wory where 170 00:08:58.740 --> 00:09:02.759 I still think that he's a mechanism for her plot lines. 171 00:09:02.820 --> 00:09:04.139 He's not really a real person. 172 00:09:04.200 --> 00:09:08.220 It's still moving all the pieces of the puzzle into the correct 173 00:09:08.220 --> 00:09:09.600 positions for the end of season. 174 00:09:09.659 --> 00:09:13.679 So I guess that's the one thing I'm finding about this season and 175 00:09:13.679 --> 00:09:17.460 this sequence that, for me, difference from your opinion, Nathan. 176 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:21.779 Well, I wonder whether it does, because I think maybe you're right 177 00:09:21.779 --> 00:09:25.679 because we've been spoiled by 5 years of Russell T. Davis writing 178 00:09:25.679 --> 00:09:30.539 sort of warm human relationships that we can really kind of 179 00:09:30.539 --> 00:09:32.460 believe on a sort of TV level. 180 00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:36.059 And now you've got Stephen Moffatt, who's a sitcom writer and a 181 00:09:36.059 --> 00:09:40.379 sort of general smart ass, writing complicated plot lines and that 182 00:09:40.379 --> 00:09:40.980 kind of thing. 183 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:45.059 And so it's unsurprising that for a lot of people, these episodes 184 00:09:45.059 --> 00:09:46.080 don't land. 185 00:09:46.139 --> 00:09:48.600 And you're certainly not the only person I've spoken to who 186 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:50.399 doesn't like this episode. 187 00:09:50.460 --> 00:09:53.460 No, I like this episode a lot. 188 00:09:53.519 --> 00:09:58.679 It's just that that aspect of it, when I think about it, it leaves 189 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:00.059 a bit of a bit of taste in my mouth. 190 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:01.980 I actually thoroughly enjoyed watching this. 191 00:10:02.039 --> 00:10:07.559 I think Helen Macquarie is just phenomenal as the villainess of 192 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:07.919 the piece. 193 00:10:07.980 --> 00:10:11.039 Matt Smith is knocking it out of the ballpark. 194 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:13.019 And the comedy stuff is really, really good. 195 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:14.220 Plus the location. 196 00:10:14.279 --> 00:10:17.279 I mean, when they land, like in Venice, which is not actually 197 00:10:17.279 --> 00:10:18.899 Venice, Croatia. 198 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:20.100 Yeah, yeah. 199 00:10:20.100 --> 00:10:22.500 But I think that's just wonderful. 200 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:25.259 And the use of the psychic paper there, yes, it's at the expense 201 00:10:25.259 --> 00:10:26.519 of Rory, but it's so funny. 202 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:31.139 Yeah, I'm a huge fan of this episode as well. 203 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:36.600 Like not just the sort of comedy sitcom relationship staff, but 204 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:39.419 just the actual plot. 205 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:42.659 And, you know, like next week, we wake up and it's all a dream. 206 00:10:42.720 --> 00:10:45.840 Like next week, the plot's going to be sort of fairly thin. 207 00:10:45.899 --> 00:10:49.440 But this is a proper Doctor Who episode, I think, that they 208 00:10:49.440 --> 00:10:50.399 managed to do at the same time. 209 00:10:50.460 --> 00:10:54.240 Yeah, it sort of has the same feeling of the old historicals they 210 00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:58.440 used to do in some places worse written in some places better 211 00:10:58.440 --> 00:10:58.980 written. 212 00:10:59.039 --> 00:11:00.960 It flows quite well. 213 00:11:01.019 --> 00:11:06.240 Yeah, I kind of get a mask of Mandragra vibe from this story. 214 00:11:06.299 --> 00:11:11.460 You know, the Italians setting. the fabulous costumes. 215 00:11:11.580 --> 00:11:12.240 Yeah. 216 00:11:12.299 --> 00:11:15.179 Yeah, it's really, I mean, it looks, it looks fantastic. 217 00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:19.980 I think this is actually the 1st time that I've watched Vampires 218 00:11:19.980 --> 00:11:23.940 of Venice since I've actually been to Venice for the 1st time 219 00:11:23.940 --> 00:11:24.240 right? 220 00:11:24.299 --> 00:11:29.279 And, you know, like it's not always 100% super convincing. 221 00:11:29.340 --> 00:11:31.679 It's not a feature film or anything like that and they didn't go 222 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:36.539 to Venice and some of the canals are sort of fairly clearly CG'd 223 00:11:36.539 --> 00:11:36.840 in there. 224 00:11:36.899 --> 00:11:42.000 So the canals are actually the moat of carefully castle. 225 00:11:42.059 --> 00:11:42.659 Okay. 226 00:11:42.659 --> 00:11:49.440 And then they composited them together with the Croatian filming. 227 00:11:49.500 --> 00:11:50.279 Right, right. 228 00:11:50.340 --> 00:11:54.659 There's one fantastic moment where Francesco dives into the water 229 00:11:54.659 --> 00:11:59.220 and we cut away just before he lands, and it's actually a sort of 230 00:11:59.220 --> 00:12:03.360 stylish directorial choice, but absolutely kind of compulsory 231 00:12:03.360 --> 00:12:06.240 because there wasn't any water there for him to fall into. 232 00:12:06.899 --> 00:12:10.019 But I think it looks amazing. 233 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:11.519 I just think it looks so good. 234 00:12:11.580 --> 00:12:15.539 This is the same recording block as Vincent and the doctor. 235 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:16.740 Yeah, but it's the same. 236 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:22.620 It's the same town. and they filmed Vincent in the hills 237 00:12:22.620 --> 00:12:24.539 around... 238 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:24.960 Right. 239 00:12:25.019 --> 00:12:28.440 And that was actually part of the Venetian Empire originally. 240 00:12:28.500 --> 00:12:31.980 So it's got kind of appropriate, you know, architecture. 241 00:12:32.039 --> 00:12:32.220 Yeah. 242 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:34.500 For the most part, I actually agree with you. 243 00:12:34.559 --> 00:12:37.620 I think I didn't even realise that a lot of those were composite 244 00:12:37.620 --> 00:12:39.059 shots with the water and that sort of thing. 245 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:40.080 I actually did not realise that. 246 00:12:40.139 --> 00:12:41.220 And I think that's how good it is. 247 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:46.500 Plus, the costumes, like the girls were wearing and the guards and 248 00:12:46.500 --> 00:12:49.379 even the over top stuff that mother and son are wearing. 249 00:12:49.799 --> 00:12:52.799 I just think just sell it completely. 250 00:12:52.860 --> 00:12:53.399 Yeah. 251 00:12:53.399 --> 00:12:58.679 So that scene when they 1st land and they're next to the Grand 252 00:12:58.679 --> 00:13:01.139 Canal, there's no water there. 253 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:07.799 That is, like it's a, it's a town square and they, they cut the 254 00:13:07.799 --> 00:13:12.779 scenes together so that just below the sort of the ledge where the 255 00:13:12.779 --> 00:13:15.000 water is, like it's just more ground. 256 00:13:15.059 --> 00:13:15.240 Right. 257 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:16.740 Like they just added it all together. 258 00:13:16.860 --> 00:13:18.779 It's really quite well done. 259 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:20.639 Photographically it works really, really well. 260 00:13:20.700 --> 00:13:21.600 Yeah. 261 00:13:21.659 --> 00:13:25.320 I do find there's 2 things that I don't like about the visual 262 00:13:25.320 --> 00:13:25.799 effects. 263 00:13:25.860 --> 00:13:30.360 One is the way in which, uh, is it Francesca? 264 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:34.200 The sun is sort of killed off within like the light beaming like a 265 00:13:34.200 --> 00:13:36.600 2nd by Amy, which I think is far too quick. 266 00:13:36.659 --> 00:13:39.480 And I don't think is, for me, that convincing. 267 00:13:39.539 --> 00:13:43.139 The other is when the doctor is up on the weather vane roof thing 268 00:13:43.139 --> 00:13:46.139 that looks pretty ropey. 269 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:50.340 It's one of those ones where you kind of think this is actually a 270 00:13:50.340 --> 00:13:53.279 bit more ambitious than they're capable of pulling off. 271 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:56.580 But then you kind of remember, essentially, Doctor Who's always 272 00:13:56.580 --> 00:13:57.840 kind of done that. 273 00:13:57.899 --> 00:14:00.480 And so I was prepared to give that a pass. 274 00:14:00.539 --> 00:14:05.340 So he's climbing up the campanile. in St. 275 00:14:05.340 --> 00:14:08.519 Mark's Square, which is absolutely recognisable. 276 00:14:09.059 --> 00:14:11.460 And of course, it has to happen there. 277 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:14.879 That's like the Empire State Building in New York or something. 278 00:14:14.940 --> 00:14:17.460 It's you know, the most salient landmark you can think of. 279 00:14:17.519 --> 00:14:21.240 Yes, it's like David Tennant climbing up to the top of of the 280 00:14:21.240 --> 00:14:24.779 Empire State building without falling and now Matt's climbing up 281 00:14:24.779 --> 00:14:28.980 this without falling in this rain and CG, whereas Tom can climb up 282 00:14:28.980 --> 00:14:32.759 something, but unfortunately, Lou's grip, like, without really 283 00:14:32.759 --> 00:14:33.539 losing. 284 00:14:33.539 --> 00:14:34.980 And then be harassed by all his companions. 285 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:38.519 I mean, it's a very David Tennanty kind of resolution. 286 00:14:38.580 --> 00:14:43.799 Like the big hero moment and all of that sort of thing. you know 287 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:47.340 fiddling with a big mechanism and stuff while there's thunder and 288 00:14:47.340 --> 00:14:50.519 all of that sort of thing and then pulling a tiny, tiny switch on 289 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:52.740 it, the smaller switch available to turn it off. 290 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:58.019 Though it's not quite a David Tennant RTD ending because it 291 00:14:58.019 --> 00:14:59.759 doesn't all end in one big explosion. 292 00:14:59.820 --> 00:15:00.840 It just kind of fizzes out. 293 00:15:10.919 --> 00:15:15.179 There's a speech that the doctor gives Rosanna when he confronts 294 00:15:15.179 --> 00:15:16.139 her for the second time. 295 00:15:16.259 --> 00:15:19.200 We should talk about how they play against each other because I 296 00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:22.259 think they're amazing, but there's an absolute David Tennant 297 00:15:22.259 --> 00:15:26.220 speech where he says he's going to tear down the house of Calvieri 298 00:15:26.220 --> 00:15:30.360 stone by stone because Helen McCrory didn't know Isabella's name. 299 00:15:30.419 --> 00:15:32.159 It's so tenanty. 300 00:15:32.220 --> 00:15:35.700 And he delivers it so absolutely differently. 301 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:38.159 It's I've written down here in my notes. 302 00:15:38.220 --> 00:15:40.740 It's just, I just found it extremely effective. 303 00:15:40.799 --> 00:15:41.220 Yeah. 304 00:15:41.220 --> 00:15:44.220 And it's because Matt is delivering it in a different way, but I 305 00:15:44.220 --> 00:15:46.740 just think they work so well together and it's such a shame they 306 00:15:46.740 --> 00:15:50.639 only have like a couple of major scenes, but they're delicious. 307 00:15:51.120 --> 00:15:54.720 She really gets her teeth stuck into things, doesn't she? 308 00:15:54.779 --> 00:15:58.620 I mean, she's going to deliver quite a bit of ongoing plot too 309 00:15:58.620 --> 00:16:02.580 about, you know, running from the silence and the cracks and and 310 00:16:02.580 --> 00:16:06.419 it's like, she knows about the doctor, which I find quite 311 00:16:06.419 --> 00:16:12.480 interesting, you know, and also to like the silence, you know, in 312 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:14.759 memory of the children lost to the silence. 313 00:16:14.820 --> 00:16:15.840 They're trying to build this up. 314 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:21.779 I don't think it pays off as to what the science actually become. 315 00:16:21.899 --> 00:16:23.399 How does she remember them? 316 00:16:23.460 --> 00:16:24.299 Exactly. 317 00:16:24.360 --> 00:16:26.159 And why are they killing all of her children? 318 00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:27.899 But they're the silence. 319 00:16:27.899 --> 00:16:31.500 And this is the silence. don't think so. 320 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:34.980 You're grasping at straws there. 321 00:16:35.039 --> 00:16:37.620 Remember when I was talking about those face palming moments? 322 00:16:39.659 --> 00:16:41.100 Yes. 323 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:47.159 Look, I really enjoy Helen McCrory and everything she I'd ever 324 00:16:47.159 --> 00:16:49.379 seen her and she's such a delightful actress. 325 00:16:49.440 --> 00:16:56.879 And she has such depth to sort of the character she plays, I 326 00:16:56.879 --> 00:16:57.120 think. 327 00:16:57.240 --> 00:17:03.539 I think here, the striking things about her are, firstly, that she 328 00:17:03.539 --> 00:17:05.519 genuinely doesn't think she's doing anything wrong. 329 00:17:05.579 --> 00:17:10.079 And it's not, it's not the sort of, she's not a megalomaniacal 330 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:11.160 villain or anything like that. 331 00:17:11.220 --> 00:17:14.700 She's going to kill 100s of 1000s of people, but she doesn't think 332 00:17:14.700 --> 00:17:15.660 she's doing anything wrong. 333 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:19.680 And right at the end, she says, you know, one city for an entire 334 00:17:19.680 --> 00:17:20.819 species. 335 00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:27.059 And, and that's not, like, obviously that's, that's morally wrong 336 00:17:27.059 --> 00:17:28.980 but it's not crazily wrong. 337 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:30.720 She's differently moral. 338 00:17:30.779 --> 00:17:32.279 Yeah, yeah, she's differently moral. 339 00:17:32.339 --> 00:17:34.440 And so she doesn't think she's a villain and she doesn't really 340 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:36.539 quite get why the doctor won't help her out. 341 00:17:36.599 --> 00:17:37.200 Yeah. 342 00:17:37.259 --> 00:17:42.299 But the other thing is, that she and the doctor are the same, that 343 00:17:42.299 --> 00:17:47.039 both of them are, in a sense, they're not quite the last of their 344 00:17:47.039 --> 00:17:51.539 species because she's got Francesco and she's got the husbands and 345 00:17:51.539 --> 00:17:51.900 all of that. 346 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:56.700 But they're both kind of people who fled from a planet that's been 347 00:17:56.700 --> 00:17:57.480 destroyed. 348 00:17:57.960 --> 00:18:01.380 So they kind of understand one another. 349 00:18:01.500 --> 00:18:06.779 And the way that's played is that they actually sort of circle one 350 00:18:06.779 --> 00:18:10.740 another and smile at one another all the time, and particularly 351 00:18:10.740 --> 00:18:12.960 her, you know, she's got this incredible smile. 352 00:18:13.019 --> 00:18:15.779 And I think it works really well because it's an older woman and a 353 00:18:15.779 --> 00:18:16.440 younger man. 354 00:18:16.500 --> 00:18:18.599 Like there's something super nice about it. 355 00:18:18.779 --> 00:18:25.319 She also very specifically modelled her movements in her behaviour 356 00:18:25.319 --> 00:18:28.140 on like a predatory fish. 357 00:18:28.920 --> 00:18:32.940 No, they're like, I mean, like, there's this whole thing where 358 00:18:32.940 --> 00:18:36.960 like, she actually had, you know, how they, like, they were a 359 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:37.440 piranha. 360 00:18:37.500 --> 00:18:40.859 Yeah, yeah, but how they were always doing like cyberman training 361 00:18:40.859 --> 00:18:44.460 or sort of like movement training for, you know, this type of 362 00:18:44.460 --> 00:18:47.940 alien, that type of, I mean, they actually they worked with her to 363 00:18:47.940 --> 00:18:49.680 get her to move like a fish. 364 00:18:49.740 --> 00:18:52.680 Did you know they actually contacted Rosalind de Winter? 365 00:18:52.740 --> 00:18:53.640 I believe she could help. 366 00:18:55.019 --> 00:18:57.119 She was unavailable. 367 00:18:57.240 --> 00:18:59.279 Nathan, you're quite right. 368 00:18:59.339 --> 00:19:02.460 Like, I think she's a really, she's, she's one of those villains 369 00:19:02.460 --> 00:19:05.160 that's not just out to destroy everything and take over 370 00:19:05.160 --> 00:19:05.700 everything. 371 00:19:05.759 --> 00:19:08.220 It's a much smaller scale. 372 00:19:08.279 --> 00:19:09.839 She's not out to destroy everybody. 373 00:19:09.960 --> 00:19:12.059 She's not necessarily evil. 374 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:13.259 She's just trying to save her people. 375 00:19:13.380 --> 00:19:15.660 And but she's also quite clever. 376 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:19.079 Like the whole Amy and Rory think they're going to trick her 377 00:19:19.079 --> 00:19:19.559 right? 378 00:19:19.619 --> 00:19:21.720 With the psychic paper and she plays them. 379 00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:23.160 Yeah, yeah. 380 00:19:23.220 --> 00:19:25.440 And you don't necessarily see that coming a lot of the time with 381 00:19:25.440 --> 00:19:29.099 Dr. Hubilans these days in the new series. 382 00:19:29.160 --> 00:19:31.680 Like the psycho paper will work on lots of people, so she's 383 00:19:31.680 --> 00:19:32.339 cleverer than that. 384 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:35.460 And I really like that about the episode. 385 00:19:35.519 --> 00:19:38.339 But I also like all the little things in this episode. 386 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:42.240 There's so many little bits of dialogue that are just so sweet 387 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:44.279 like, you know, Casanova liked Venice. 388 00:19:44.339 --> 00:19:47.039 Yeah, you know, that's sort of like a reference to David Tennant. 389 00:19:47.099 --> 00:19:51.180 That marvellous scene where the doctor is looking for the Calaveri 390 00:19:51.180 --> 00:19:51.539 girls. 391 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:54.359 And suddenly it's a jump start because they're behind him and he 392 00:19:54.359 --> 00:19:54.900 has to look around. 393 00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:55.740 I think that's wonderful. 394 00:19:55.799 --> 00:20:00.240 And then his whole William Hart and all library card. 395 00:20:00.299 --> 00:20:01.380 Yes, yes. 396 00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:03.359 Well, that little stuff just adds. 397 00:20:03.420 --> 00:20:04.259 Do you remember that? 398 00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:07.200 That was the 1st time that we saw Matt Smith in action. 399 00:20:07.259 --> 00:20:11.400 He was on like Friday night with Jonathan Ross or something. 400 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:13.319 They used that clip. 401 00:20:13.319 --> 00:20:18.539 Yeah, it was like it was the week before the 11th hour aired in in 402 00:20:18.539 --> 00:20:22.799 sort of March 2010. and the clip was released. 403 00:20:22.859 --> 00:20:25.680 So we didn't see Jonathan Ross. obviously, but the clip was 404 00:20:25.680 --> 00:20:26.039 released. 405 00:20:26.099 --> 00:20:29.220 And so it was the 1st time that we saw Matt Smith's doctor in 406 00:20:29.220 --> 00:20:32.099 action, and it is while the girls are there, and he's looking in 407 00:20:32.099 --> 00:20:35.339 the mirror, and he's pulling a face, like looking at his teeth and 408 00:20:35.339 --> 00:20:36.000 stuff. 409 00:20:36.059 --> 00:20:38.700 It was a good little tie in with Casanova because one of the girls 410 00:20:38.700 --> 00:20:40.079 was actually in Casanova. 411 00:20:40.140 --> 00:20:40.619 Oh, really? 412 00:20:40.680 --> 00:20:41.099 Yeah. 413 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:46.500 Helen McCrory played Heath Ledger's Casanova's mother and the 414 00:20:46.500 --> 00:20:48.660 film... 415 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:53.160 But I mean, that's it. is a terrific scene for him, isn't it? 416 00:20:53.220 --> 00:20:57.660 Because he's, we get that sort of weird physicality. 417 00:20:57.720 --> 00:21:00.660 You know, whenever he sort of spins around and his hands are sort 418 00:21:00.660 --> 00:21:03.960 of weird and stuff like, so we get to see how odd he is. 419 00:21:04.079 --> 00:21:08.700 We get to see how just sort of fun and enthusiastic he is. 420 00:21:08.759 --> 00:21:12.839 And we get to see him sort of confront a villain and not be kind 421 00:21:12.839 --> 00:21:15.420 of frightened or anything, just being sort of terribly excited. 422 00:21:15.480 --> 00:21:17.460 That's what I love about Matt. 423 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:20.819 He's such a, an unusual mover, I guess. 424 00:21:20.880 --> 00:21:22.079 He's awkward. 425 00:21:22.140 --> 00:21:25.440 Well, he looks awkward, but he pretty much dances across the 426 00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:25.740 screen. 427 00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:26.579 Yeah. 428 00:21:26.579 --> 00:21:30.299 When you think he's going to fall flat on his face, he doesn't. 429 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:30.839 Yeah. 430 00:21:30.900 --> 00:21:34.019 I think I think it's that and his tendency to underplay a big 431 00:21:34.019 --> 00:21:35.819 moments, which are really great. 432 00:21:35.880 --> 00:21:39.000 But the comedy is not just restricted to him. 433 00:21:39.059 --> 00:21:42.839 I actually think that Arthur Darville has quite a lot of comedy in 434 00:21:42.839 --> 00:21:43.079 this. 435 00:21:43.140 --> 00:21:45.480 Like, you know, when he's sitting on that the gunpowder. 436 00:21:45.539 --> 00:21:47.400 He just shuffles off to one side. 437 00:21:47.460 --> 00:21:48.180 It's very subtle. 438 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:52.079 It's, and, um, um, the sword fight. 439 00:21:52.140 --> 00:21:54.000 Yeah, the sword fight. 440 00:21:54.059 --> 00:21:55.500 I mean, he has to do physical stuff. 441 00:21:55.559 --> 00:21:59.160 I find that a bit, let's just play Rory for a complete fool, but 442 00:21:59.160 --> 00:22:00.420 he does a really great job of it. 443 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:05.160 I love the fact that he is just so unconvincing and an imbecile in 444 00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:08.819 front of Rosanna trying to palm off his sister. 445 00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:12.599 Like it's, I really find that scene really hilarious. 446 00:22:12.660 --> 00:22:15.539 Just he does a deadpan delivery of lines that when he's not 447 00:22:15.539 --> 00:22:17.039 convinced that he's going to be convincing. 448 00:22:17.099 --> 00:22:17.880 Do you know what I'm saying? 449 00:22:17.940 --> 00:22:18.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 450 00:22:18.539 --> 00:22:21.059 And he doesn't quite, like, they're still speaking sort of modern 451 00:22:21.059 --> 00:22:25.200 day English and stuff in Venice in 15 and 80, but he's not doing 452 00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:28.740 the sort of period drama sort of speaking that he needs to be 453 00:22:28.740 --> 00:22:29.099 doing. 454 00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:32.759 And so he's just speaking, sort of modern day English really 455 00:22:32.759 --> 00:22:33.779 awkwardly and stuff. 456 00:22:33.839 --> 00:22:36.779 And then he just ends that speech with sort of really embarrassed 457 00:22:36.779 --> 00:22:39.359 cheers, you know, at the end of it. 458 00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:40.619 Yeah, I think he's really great. 459 00:22:40.680 --> 00:22:45.180 That scene ends with that fantastic moment where he leaves and Amy 460 00:22:45.180 --> 00:22:49.619 is there and we just see Francesco out of focus in the 461 00:22:49.619 --> 00:22:50.039 background. 462 00:22:50.099 --> 00:22:51.299 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 463 00:22:51.359 --> 00:22:52.799 Yeah, yeah. bearing his fish teeth. 464 00:22:52.859 --> 00:22:57.420 And then I think the next scene is like having Isabella's father 465 00:22:57.420 --> 00:22:58.680 in Rory's stag shirt. 466 00:22:58.740 --> 00:22:59.700 Yeah, yeah. 467 00:22:59.759 --> 00:23:00.539 I love that. 468 00:23:00.779 --> 00:23:02.700 So great. 469 00:23:02.759 --> 00:23:07.019 In fact, what's really terrible is, um, you know, he's wearing 470 00:23:07.019 --> 00:23:12.900 that stupid shirt when his daughter fails to escape, um, from the 471 00:23:12.900 --> 00:23:17.819 Calvieri sort of household, and he's absolutely gutted, and so the 472 00:23:17.819 --> 00:23:22.619 actors having to play grief wearing the stupid, stupid shirt. 473 00:23:22.680 --> 00:23:25.920 But I think it's really tragic that both his daughter and him 474 00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:27.420 die. 475 00:23:27.480 --> 00:23:29.160 Like it's, we don't get a happy ending. 476 00:23:29.339 --> 00:23:35.039 No, we never do, but I don't know, for me, it would have been part 477 00:23:35.039 --> 00:23:37.619 of me would have liked her to have been able to come out into the 478 00:23:37.619 --> 00:23:40.380 light and them to escape, but obviously he has to sacrifice 479 00:23:40.380 --> 00:23:43.799 himself to get rid of all the girls. 480 00:23:43.859 --> 00:23:44.640 Yeah. 481 00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:50.099 When I was rewatching it, I had forgotten that she died and I was 482 00:23:50.099 --> 00:23:53.880 gutted because you, you know, you feel for him. 483 00:23:53.940 --> 00:23:55.200 You don't really know her. 484 00:23:55.259 --> 00:23:55.980 Yeah. 485 00:23:55.980 --> 00:24:00.000 But you feel for him and you're like, I just completely forgot. 486 00:24:00.059 --> 00:24:03.420 I hadn't watched this for like 10 years and it's just horrible. 487 00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:07.799 Like, is this one of the stories where practically it, not every 488 00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:10.319 every guest artist dies. 489 00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:11.339 Yeah. 490 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:14.880 Yeah, I think the harbour master or whatever the guy who, well 491 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:18.000 maybe he sort of vanishes in the final scene because we'll talk 492 00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:18.779 about that at the end. 493 00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:20.160 I'm not quite sure what's going on there. 494 00:24:20.220 --> 00:24:21.839 But basically everyone dies. 495 00:24:21.900 --> 00:24:25.380 And it is kind of super thin in that you've got Isabella, you've 496 00:24:25.380 --> 00:24:29.339 got, um, Guido, you've got Francesco and you've got Rosanna. 497 00:24:29.400 --> 00:24:33.299 You've basically only got 4 guest characters, which is 3 more than 498 00:24:33.299 --> 00:24:34.140 we'll get next week. 499 00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:35.099 Fishwives. 500 00:24:35.099 --> 00:24:38.039 And just sort of various fish people. 501 00:24:38.099 --> 00:24:40.559 And they are they are all killed. 502 00:24:40.619 --> 00:24:46.380 And I guess Isabella needs to be killed because we need to see 503 00:24:46.380 --> 00:24:51.359 what's going to happen when Rosanna kills herself the same way at 504 00:24:51.359 --> 00:24:52.440 the end of the episode. 505 00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:55.019 And her death scene is great. 506 00:24:55.079 --> 00:24:56.759 She's got this incredible voice. 507 00:24:56.819 --> 00:25:00.420 She's been really kind of a damsel in distress for the whole 508 00:25:00.420 --> 00:25:04.140 episode, but when she gets to sort of proudly stand there and 509 00:25:04.140 --> 00:25:08.160 declare that she's Venetian, and she's got an excellent voice 510 00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:10.980 she's so cool, and she really pulls it off. 511 00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:11.940 I really like it a lot. 512 00:25:12.779 --> 00:25:21.000 Remind me, do the, all the male fish people who eat their 513 00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:21.599 victims. 514 00:25:21.660 --> 00:25:22.559 Do they survive? 515 00:25:22.619 --> 00:25:23.640 No. 516 00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:24.720 How do they die? 517 00:25:24.779 --> 00:25:25.680 die out. 518 00:25:25.740 --> 00:25:29.819 So all the male fish people just die out. 519 00:25:29.880 --> 00:25:32.700 Yeah, because they've got nothing to eat. 520 00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:36.720 Could they eat other people who go in the canal in the meantime? 521 00:25:37.019 --> 00:25:39.960 Am I misremembering the end of the episode people? 522 00:25:40.019 --> 00:25:42.839 Well, there's no females there anyway, so they can't breed 523 00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:43.319 anyhow. 524 00:25:43.380 --> 00:25:44.160 So... 525 00:25:44.220 --> 00:25:45.000 Yeah, die of old age. 526 00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:46.500 Or starvation. 527 00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:50.220 I mean, maybe they've already eaten all the other fish in the in 528 00:25:50.220 --> 00:25:50.700 the canals. 529 00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:51.720 Yeah. 530 00:25:51.779 --> 00:25:54.480 Yeah, maybe they just died out last year. 531 00:25:54.480 --> 00:25:59.640 And so those fake pictures of porpoises in the canals in Venice or 532 00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:04.200 whatever weren't because of the pandemic at all, but were in fact 533 00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:07.200 because all of the Calviri sons had died out. 534 00:26:07.259 --> 00:26:10.740 They're basically the Humboldt Squid in the Gulf of Mexico. 535 00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:15.720 So, so, yeah, I think I think the idea is that they die out 536 00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:18.779 although I do like the idea that they maybe are deadly fish 537 00:26:18.779 --> 00:26:22.740 monsters in the canals in Venice for a little while after 15 538 00:26:22.740 --> 00:26:23.279 years. 539 00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:24.900 Yeah you don't go swimming in there. 540 00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:46.859 There's also that scene where Rory confronts the doctor, as 541 00:26:46.859 --> 00:26:52.859 they're going into rescue Isabella, and he says that the doctor 542 00:26:52.859 --> 00:26:58.200 makes people dangerous to themselves because they want to impress 543 00:26:58.200 --> 00:26:58.680 him. 544 00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:03.720 It's a very significant piece of dialogue from somebody who's only 545 00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:06.779 met the doctor briefly, don't you think? 546 00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:11.160 Yeah, and I think I think it needs to be in a way. 547 00:27:11.220 --> 00:27:12.180 Do you know what I mean? 548 00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:15.180 Because you've got to quickly create a relationship for the doctor 549 00:27:15.180 --> 00:27:20.400 and Rory to have because we've got a we've got a relationship 550 00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:24.299 between Rory and Amy sort of. 551 00:27:24.359 --> 00:27:27.900 We've definitely got a relationship between the doctor and Navy. 552 00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:32.039 But now what's the relationship between the doctor and Rory like? 553 00:27:32.099 --> 00:27:35.220 And I think what's really clear is it's a competitive relationship 554 00:27:35.220 --> 00:27:40.200 and it's that scene where, you know, they both pull out the the 555 00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:45.000 torches, like Rory's so proud that he's prepared and then the 556 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:47.339 doctor pulls out a sort of massively much bigger and more 557 00:27:47.339 --> 00:27:48.180 effective torch. 558 00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:53.220 But also all the way through to sort of like until sort of quite 559 00:27:53.220 --> 00:27:57.359 some way into the episode, Rory is a scold, you know, like he's 560 00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:02.700 desperate to be less fun and be more cautious than the doctor. 561 00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:05.819 And so there's a kind of antagonism between them. 562 00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:07.680 Yeah, I agree with you. 563 00:28:07.740 --> 00:28:10.799 And I think it's, I think that's part of the problem I have with 564 00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:13.259 the episode, is that you've got to try and set up this 565 00:28:13.259 --> 00:28:16.980 relationship and dynamics so quickly because you've only had Rory 566 00:28:16.980 --> 00:28:18.720 back in episode one. 567 00:28:18.779 --> 00:28:24.119 So here with the whole Amy as well, but you're trying to set up a 568 00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:27.000 separate kind of relationship with the doctor and where does he 569 00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:30.119 fit in and we don't want to do it the same as, say, Mickey back in 570 00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:30.839 season one. 571 00:28:30.900 --> 00:28:34.980 And so I just feel that it's maybe a bit rushed or a bit forced 572 00:28:34.980 --> 00:28:40.380 and so the dialogue is much deeper and heavier than I would 573 00:28:40.380 --> 00:28:40.799 expect. 574 00:28:40.859 --> 00:28:44.460 And it's sort of like, does he really have a problem with the 575 00:28:44.460 --> 00:28:49.259 doctor or is it really a reflection of his relationship with Amy 576 00:28:49.259 --> 00:28:53.700 and how insecure he actually is about her love for him? 577 00:28:53.759 --> 00:29:00.779 I think also it's that it's a theme that Moffat will come back to 578 00:29:00.779 --> 00:29:08.579 again and again, I mean, we talked about series 9 earlier, that 579 00:29:08.579 --> 00:29:12.960 whole series is about the doctor making people like him making 580 00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:18.779 people, like, risk their lives and and chase danger. 581 00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:22.740 And I think that's that's something that the Moffat is actually 582 00:29:22.740 --> 00:29:23.400 really interested in. 583 00:29:24.059 --> 00:29:27.779 It's a kind of the dark flip side of the idea that the doctor 584 00:29:27.779 --> 00:29:32.039 makes people better that the doctor inspires people to feats of 585 00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:33.359 bravery and stuff. 586 00:29:33.420 --> 00:29:36.960 You know, the way that he inspires Kathika to find out what's 587 00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:41.220 going on and be a proper journalist in the long game or... 588 00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:41.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 589 00:29:41.940 --> 00:29:44.880 And so this is the same thing, but told from a sort of negative 590 00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:45.420 point of view. 591 00:29:45.539 --> 00:29:51.420 I think Moffatt's doctor, however much we love Matt Smith, I think 592 00:29:51.420 --> 00:29:56.279 in some ways Moffatt's setting him up as a bad man and is setting 593 00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:58.680 Rory up as a good man. 594 00:29:58.740 --> 00:30:02.700 And Amy has to make the choice between the 2 of them. 595 00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:04.980 So we'll see you here next week. 596 00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:09.720 But that's very definitely what's happening here. 597 00:30:09.779 --> 00:30:14.880 And so initially Rory is less fun than the doctor, but he does 598 00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:15.480 come on board. 599 00:30:15.539 --> 00:30:17.339 There is that wonderful moment where the 2 of them are sort of 600 00:30:17.339 --> 00:30:18.119 super excited about that. 601 00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:20.940 Funnily enough, I was thinking about it and thinking of it being a 602 00:30:20.940 --> 00:30:23.279 parallel with the whole Mickey Dr. Rose thing. 603 00:30:23.339 --> 00:30:23.759 Yeah. 604 00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:27.539 But now that I think about it, it probably is, while it's sort of 605 00:30:27.539 --> 00:30:32.099 almost like they're harking back to that, it is totally opposite 606 00:30:32.099 --> 00:30:37.980 in terms of how it all ends up, whereas Rose chose the doctor. 607 00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:40.859 Amy chooses Rory. 608 00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:41.519 Yeah. 609 00:30:41.579 --> 00:30:43.859 Yes, Karen, you will get that payoff at the end. 610 00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:45.299 She will choose Rory over the doctor. 611 00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:46.740 And... 612 00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:48.900 But then she'll choose to have the doctor as well at the last 613 00:30:48.900 --> 00:30:49.140 minute. 614 00:30:49.259 --> 00:30:52.200 And I think that that's, I'll go on about this all year. 615 00:30:52.259 --> 00:30:55.440 But I think that that's sort of hugely great. that there's a thing 616 00:30:55.440 --> 00:31:00.059 going on in Amy's head that she's running away from adulthood 617 00:31:00.059 --> 00:31:04.920 going back to childhood, uncertain of her relationship with Rory 618 00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:09.480 and all of the stages of that and all of the things that happen to 619 00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:13.380 her and that she does throughout this year are kind of visible 620 00:31:13.380 --> 00:31:18.720 manifestations of that decision and it going sort of different 621 00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:19.200 ways. 622 00:31:19.259 --> 00:31:22.500 And then what happens at the Andes that she says, no, both. 623 00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:24.119 And I just think that's wonderful. 624 00:31:24.180 --> 00:31:28.319 And it ends up in something pretty damn good after that. 625 00:31:28.380 --> 00:31:33.599 It's very true Now that I've sort of complained a bit about how 626 00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:39.539 quick it's the doctor and Rory sort of relationship is developed, I 627 00:31:39.539 --> 00:31:43.200 do think I really love the fact that Rory is that perceptive and 628 00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:48.180 it actually helps his character a lot because he hasn't had many 629 00:31:48.180 --> 00:31:48.960 moments before that. 630 00:31:49.019 --> 00:31:53.519 And I really like the way Arthur and Matt play off each other. 631 00:31:53.579 --> 00:31:57.059 I think there's real chemistry between them. 632 00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:02.099 And I would have liked to have seen more episodes with them and 633 00:32:02.099 --> 00:32:06.119 without Amy, you know, just to see, just to see that dynamic. 634 00:32:06.180 --> 00:32:09.240 Maybe Amy should have been eaten by the crack at the end of 635 00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:09.839 episode nine. 636 00:32:09.900 --> 00:32:12.000 Yeah, it's her story though. 637 00:32:12.059 --> 00:32:15.779 But that's, I think, one of the great joys of this era. is that 638 00:32:15.779 --> 00:32:18.720 you've got these 3 attractive young people who all really, really 639 00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:22.740 like each other clearly and have great chemistry together, all 640 00:32:22.740 --> 00:32:23.880 travelling in the TARDIS together. 641 00:32:23.940 --> 00:32:24.960 I think it works just so well. 642 00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:40.799 I have a question, actually. 643 00:32:40.859 --> 00:32:45.240 It was something we spoke about earlier, about the light on 644 00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:46.680 killing Francesca. 645 00:32:46.740 --> 00:32:50.640 How does light kill him if he can go out in the sun anyway? 646 00:32:50.700 --> 00:32:54.420 I mean, what's so special about him suddenly exploding into 647 00:32:54.420 --> 00:32:55.079 ashes? 648 00:32:55.140 --> 00:33:00.660 I think it's a bit like the myth of vampires that you can still be 649 00:33:00.660 --> 00:33:05.640 in the shadows, but if you're in direct sunlight, then that's 650 00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:06.240 going to kill you. 651 00:33:06.299 --> 00:33:09.059 So if you notice they're always inside or they're in shade, even 652 00:33:09.059 --> 00:33:11.519 when they're outside, they're undercover, they're not in the 653 00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:13.259 direct beams of the sunlight. 654 00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:15.180 So that's the way... 655 00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:17.519 Yeah, so that's the way in which I read it as. 656 00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:21.299 But they can be in there perhaps for a little while, but the fact 657 00:33:21.299 --> 00:33:23.759 that that's a focussed beam, it obviously just takes 658 00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:24.779 milliseconds. 659 00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:30.180 And maybe the sun of their planet doesn't have this. 660 00:33:30.180 --> 00:33:31.500 They're underwater. 661 00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:33.059 Maybe that's it. 662 00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:34.259 Yeah, because they fish. 663 00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:36.599 Yes, or maybe the sun on their planet doesn't have the same 664 00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:37.019 effect. 665 00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:39.900 I think it's plot expediency. 666 00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:40.440 Oh yeah. 667 00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:43.859 Like we've got to have Amy kill himself. 668 00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:46.380 Is it product experience here or is it we can only do this special 669 00:33:46.380 --> 00:33:47.819 effect 2 seconds. 670 00:33:48.180 --> 00:33:51.779 It's a bit like a magnifying glass on an ant. 671 00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:54.420 How do you think the fish come off? 672 00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:57.299 Like the CG fish. 673 00:33:57.359 --> 00:33:59.579 The girls, when they switch between them? 674 00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:00.779 Oh, yeah, that's right. 675 00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:03.059 We get to see the girls as well outside the window. 676 00:34:03.119 --> 00:34:07.799 Oh, let me in, let me in, and then, of course, when Rosanna 677 00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:09.239 her... 678 00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:10.079 Perception filter? 679 00:34:10.139 --> 00:34:11.039 Malfunctions? 680 00:34:11.099 --> 00:34:11.400 Yeah. 681 00:34:12.059 --> 00:34:17.099 I think my favourite line in the entire episode is, aren't we on 682 00:34:17.099 --> 00:34:17.760 the 2nd floor? 683 00:34:18.179 --> 00:34:20.460 Is it 2nd floor, 1st floor? 684 00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:21.780 Well, there's 2 lines about that. 685 00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:25.559 So Guido's house, there's this sort of hilarious thing where I 686 00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:29.820 think the doctor says, gosh, the neighbours upstairs are noisy. 687 00:34:29.820 --> 00:34:32.099 And then Guido says, this is the top floor. 688 00:34:32.099 --> 00:34:35.340 And the doctor smiles and says, I knew you were going to say 689 00:34:35.340 --> 00:34:35.639 that. 690 00:34:35.699 --> 00:34:40.079 He just sort of awkwardly goes, this, there is no one upstairs. 691 00:34:40.619 --> 00:34:44.159 But it's really sort of genre aware. 692 00:34:44.219 --> 00:34:45.000 Do you know what I mean? 693 00:34:45.059 --> 00:34:47.460 Like Rory kind of knows what to expect when he goes into the 694 00:34:47.460 --> 00:34:50.519 TARDIS because he's been reading up on scientific theories or 695 00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:55.139 watching Star Trek or something and the doctor knows that Guido's 696 00:34:55.139 --> 00:34:56.880 going to say there's no floor above here. 697 00:34:56.940 --> 00:35:01.079 And the doctor also guesses that Amy is going to offer to present 698 00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:03.960 herself as a candidate because of course she is because that's 699 00:35:03.960 --> 00:35:05.460 what has to happen at this point in the episode. 700 00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:10.019 So I think Widhouse does do comedy and does do sort of genre stuff 701 00:35:10.019 --> 00:35:12.719 and I do think that some of the humour is just kind of 702 00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:17.579 deliberately sort of lampshading, the stuff that needs... 703 00:35:17.699 --> 00:35:19.920 Yeah, yeah, is a sort of obvious trove. 704 00:35:19.980 --> 00:35:22.559 Yeah, but I think he does actually finds a very good balance 705 00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:25.199 because there's still moments where you kind of think what's going 706 00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:27.780 to happen like when Amy gets taken down to be put in the chair so 707 00:35:27.780 --> 00:35:28.860 her blood can be transfused. 708 00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:30.719 And it's very effective. 709 00:35:30.780 --> 00:35:34.199 And I think that Karen does great job of screaming and struggling 710 00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:36.059 and that, yes, James? 711 00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:43.920 So when they were working on that scene, Helen McCrory wanted to 712 00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:47.519 she was like, well, I think she, I think she should bite Amy at 713 00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:47.940 this point. 714 00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:51.360 So they wrote it in. 715 00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:53.400 That's so great. 716 00:35:53.460 --> 00:35:55.619 I love Amy's line about Offsted. 717 00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:56.760 I think that's really great. 718 00:35:57.059 --> 00:36:00.420 You know, that she's from Offsted. 719 00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:01.800 She's come to inspect the school. 720 00:36:04.860 --> 00:36:07.800 Somehow, Rosanna must know what Offstead is because she's 721 00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:11.699 certainly very cross that Amy's making a joke at her expense. 722 00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:14.519 She might just pick up that she's being made fun of. 723 00:36:14.579 --> 00:36:17.880 She might not necessarily have to know, but there's no reason why 724 00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:18.480 she shouldn't. 725 00:36:18.539 --> 00:36:21.719 She, oh, well, I suppose it is a bit early in history for 726 00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:22.440 Offsted. 727 00:36:31.500 --> 00:36:36.900 The concept that Widhouse came up with for this slot was the 728 00:36:36.900 --> 00:36:40.500 doctor being trapped in a labyrinth that looked like a hotel. 729 00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:41.699 Ah. 730 00:36:41.699 --> 00:36:44.460 Well, that'd be ridiculous. 731 00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:46.019 Thank God no one ever approved that. 732 00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:49.920 But because there was a labyrinth in the previous two, like two 733 00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:49.920 parter. 734 00:36:49.980 --> 00:36:50.639 Ah, yeah. 735 00:36:50.699 --> 00:36:54.599 It was also initially they were they were going to call it blood 736 00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:55.139 and water. 737 00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:57.059 But then we had flesh and stone. 738 00:36:57.059 --> 00:36:58.260 Straight after flesh and stone. 739 00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:01.980 I think that would have been quite fun, but vampires of Venice is 740 00:37:01.980 --> 00:37:03.059 a great title. 741 00:37:03.179 --> 00:37:03.719 Yeah. 742 00:37:03.780 --> 00:37:04.440 Yeah. 743 00:37:04.500 --> 00:37:06.840 No, I just think it's just terrifically solid. 744 00:37:06.900 --> 00:37:10.679 You know, like it's got character work, whatever you think of it. 745 00:37:10.739 --> 00:37:13.199 It's got some pretty good monsters. 746 00:37:13.260 --> 00:37:18.119 It's got some just sort of fairly solid straightforward plotting 747 00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:18.960 it looks really good. 748 00:37:19.019 --> 00:37:20.519 And a great Gekkus cast. 749 00:37:20.579 --> 00:37:21.239 Yeah, yeah. 750 00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:24.599 And it's got the team, obviously, the 3 of these guys working well 751 00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:25.019 together. 752 00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:29.639 It's got recycled prisoners 0 teeth from episode one. 753 00:37:29.699 --> 00:37:32.880 Don't you think they look like the prisoner 0 teeth from the 1st 754 00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:34.679 episode of the season where... 755 00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:36.480 Weren't they? 756 00:37:36.539 --> 00:37:39.300 No, are they were CG in episode one? 757 00:37:39.300 --> 00:37:41.400 and these aren't their practical because they have to be in more 758 00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:41.880 shots. 759 00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:43.679 And the great thing too. 760 00:37:43.739 --> 00:37:48.840 Like, I would have just excused the fact that we could see their 761 00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:49.440 teeth. 762 00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:50.280 Do you know what I mean? 763 00:37:50.340 --> 00:37:50.940 Like, who cares? 764 00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:51.719 It's Doctor Who. 765 00:37:51.780 --> 00:37:52.800 That's how these things work. 766 00:37:52.860 --> 00:37:54.000 Their vampires and stuff. 767 00:37:54.059 --> 00:37:59.699 But in fact, we actually managed in some very quick sort of 768 00:37:59.699 --> 00:38:02.519 expository dialogue, explain all of it. 769 00:38:02.579 --> 00:38:07.619 You know, that we can see the teeth, despite the perception filter 770 00:38:07.619 --> 00:38:11.280 because our instincts for self-preservation make us see the teeth 771 00:38:11.340 --> 00:38:12.539 fabulous. 772 00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:13.800 Yeah, yeah, that's really good. 773 00:38:13.860 --> 00:38:17.880 And the reason we can't see them in the mirror is because we, our 774 00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:22.860 brains kind of see it because the perception filter doesn't change 775 00:38:22.860 --> 00:38:23.519 their form. 776 00:38:23.579 --> 00:38:26.280 It just changes our thoughts and it just interacts with the mirror 777 00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:29.039 in an odd way and we just put a blank space there. 778 00:38:29.099 --> 00:38:30.960 Speaking of the teeth. 779 00:38:31.019 --> 00:38:34.860 Alex Price had to ADR most of his dialogue. 780 00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:37.980 Because he couldn't speak through them. 781 00:38:38.460 --> 00:38:42.659 They're sort of fish teeth rather than vampire teeth. 782 00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:45.840 Well, they're very similar to piranha teeth. 783 00:38:45.900 --> 00:38:46.559 Yeah. 784 00:38:46.619 --> 00:38:53.519 I think, like, one objection I've, I've heard is that fish are 785 00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:55.619 actually a bit less interesting than vampires. 786 00:38:55.739 --> 00:38:58.380 And so it's sort of slightly disappointing. 787 00:38:58.380 --> 00:39:00.659 Like, in stage decay. 788 00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:04.440 The vampires are actual proper vampires and in fact, sort of 789 00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:07.320 somewhat more scarier and sort of mythical than vampires. 790 00:39:07.380 --> 00:39:10.019 Here they're somewhat less mythical in that they're fish. 791 00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:15.119 And partly, I think, I don't know how much Stephen Moffatt was 792 00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:20.400 involved in this, but Stephen Moffatt has said before that the 793 00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:24.300 word fish is inherently funny, and that he'll put it in dialogue 794 00:39:24.300 --> 00:39:24.840 all the time. 795 00:39:24.900 --> 00:39:28.800 So Matt's looking for an escaped fish in the beast below and we 796 00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:30.420 have Jim the Fish next year. 797 00:39:30.420 --> 00:39:35.880 And, you know, there's all those fish in a Christmas carol and 798 00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:36.119 stuff. 799 00:39:36.179 --> 00:39:39.480 So he likes there to be fish just so that people can say the word 800 00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:43.500 fish in dialogue and it certainly sort of does work here. 801 00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:48.239 But I kind of understand perhaps that it's a little bit less 802 00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:49.380 exciting than a vampire. 803 00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:53.340 It works really well in Monty Python, the meaning of life. 804 00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:54.360 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 805 00:39:54.420 --> 00:39:56.039 Fishy, fishy, fishy. 806 00:39:56.099 --> 00:39:57.960 No, it is a genuinely funny word. 807 00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:09.539 How does this one end? 808 00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:10.800 Is it a um... 809 00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:12.599 Is it a voiceover? 810 00:40:12.659 --> 00:40:15.119 No, well, sort of. 811 00:40:15.300 --> 00:40:18.840 So they go back to the TARDIS. 812 00:40:18.900 --> 00:40:25.139 And Amy does that sort of joke about my boys and stuff, which is 813 00:40:25.139 --> 00:40:27.539 sort of there to show that she's really learned nothing at all 814 00:40:27.539 --> 00:40:28.800 from this episode or something. 815 00:40:28.860 --> 00:40:31.380 Yes, another moment where I can go, great. 816 00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:33.960 So Rory's just one of the boys, not really her fiance. 817 00:40:34.019 --> 00:40:34.980 Thank you, Amy. 818 00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:35.579 Yeah. 819 00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:39.900 And then you get that great speech from Rosanna. 820 00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:40.920 Well, before that. 821 00:40:40.980 --> 00:40:42.360 Overdubbed over the top. 822 00:40:42.420 --> 00:40:46.559 Yeah, but before that, what happens is just there's dead silence. 823 00:40:46.619 --> 00:40:48.000 So there's no atmosphere sound. 824 00:40:48.059 --> 00:40:50.760 There's nothing like that, you know, I don't think you can even 825 00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:51.239 hear the water. 826 00:40:51.420 --> 00:40:54.300 No, it just goes completely silent. 827 00:40:54.360 --> 00:40:56.219 Yeah, and the doctor says, can you hear that? 828 00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:57.780 And Rory says, I can't hear anything. 829 00:40:57.780 --> 00:40:59.400 And he goes into the Tartars. 830 00:40:59.460 --> 00:41:03.360 And then we hear Rosanna's speech from before. 831 00:41:03.420 --> 00:41:08.519 And so it's introducing the silence for the 1st time and it's also 832 00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:10.139 saying something about the cracks. 833 00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:14.639 And so the doctor only saw the crack for the 1st time. 834 00:41:14.699 --> 00:41:17.519 Well, for the 2nd time, what, last week? 835 00:41:17.579 --> 00:41:22.260 And so this kind of is starting to beef that up a little bit. 836 00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:29.159 And so the cracks, like unlike in an RTD arc, you know, the cracks 837 00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:32.460 start to become a feature of the episodes, but the doctor is aware 838 00:41:32.460 --> 00:41:34.260 of them in some way. 839 00:41:34.380 --> 00:41:36.420 As opposed to RTD, I think. 840 00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:37.139 Yeah, yeah. 841 00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:39.300 So no, I think it's significant. 842 00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:42.360 And I think that's one thing about this episode with all of its 843 00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:48.000 light and humour and little things that we like about it, that it 844 00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:54.599 is moving the cracks and the silence into our minds and building 845 00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:58.320 this up at a crucial point in the season where we are halfway 846 00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:00.480 through, effectively this run. 847 00:42:00.539 --> 00:42:05.219 Are we supposed to think that basically everywhere that the doctor 848 00:42:05.219 --> 00:42:10.019 and Amy appear this year, there's a crack somewhere and that it 849 00:42:10.019 --> 00:42:13.139 destroys the people that we've grown to love through like during 850 00:42:13.139 --> 00:42:13.739 that episode. 851 00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:14.699 I don't think. 852 00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:16.320 So it's eaten it's eaten Venice. 853 00:42:16.380 --> 00:42:17.400 It's eaten Venice. 854 00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:19.199 It's eaten Starship UK. 855 00:42:19.260 --> 00:42:20.579 Is that what's happening? 856 00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:21.599 It's eaten. 857 00:42:22.139 --> 00:42:23.280 It's eaten Daisy Haggard. 858 00:42:23.340 --> 00:42:25.980 It's eaten the vampires of Venice. 859 00:42:26.039 --> 00:42:26.880 There you go. 860 00:42:26.940 --> 00:42:27.539 They're all gone. 861 00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:28.260 All the boys are gone. 862 00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:30.179 Oh, maybe they disappeared into the crash. 863 00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:30.900 Maybe they did. 864 00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:33.780 Yeah, Sounds reasonable if it suddenly goes dead silent. 865 00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:37.199 I think it's really ominous and I think that we just kind of never 866 00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:40.739 find out either way or whatever, but it does make for a good sort 867 00:42:40.739 --> 00:42:41.579 of final scene. 868 00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:42.960 And then weirdly as well. 869 00:42:43.019 --> 00:42:47.639 We go into the closing credits through the TARDIS keyhole for some 870 00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:49.019 reason for the 1st time. 871 00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:20.400 Well, dear listener, that's all we have time for this week. 872 00:43:20.460 --> 00:43:24.000 We'll be back next week to experience the horrible nightmare of 873 00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:26.699 ordinary family life in Amy's choice. 874 00:43:26.820 --> 00:43:30.780 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts 875 00:43:30.780 --> 00:43:33.539 and you can keep up with us at Flightthrough Entirety on Facebook 876 00:43:33.539 --> 00:43:36.599 at FTE podcast on Twitter, and on our website 877 00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:39.780 FlightthroughEntirety.com, where you'll find links to our other 878 00:43:39.780 --> 00:43:42.900 podcasts, Bondfinger and Jody and Tara. 879 00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:47.880 Until next time, whenever you visit the Campanile di San Marco 880 00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:51.119 please remember to keep your arms and legs completely inside the 881 00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:52.559 belfry at all times. 882 00:43:52.619 --> 00:43:55.199 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 883 00:43:55.260 --> 00:43:56.099 Good night. 884 00:43:56.159 --> 00:43:58.440 See you soon Ta-ta. 885 00:44:01.500 --> 00:44:06.000 That was Flight 3 Entirety, starring Todd Beelby, Nathan Bottomley 886 00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:07.619 Karen Carpenter, and James Selwood. 887 00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:09.780 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb. 888 00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:13.559 This episode, those face palming moments, was recorded on the 27th 889 00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:16.440 of February 2021 and released on the 18th of April. 890 00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:22.260 In 2000, Helen McCrory wrote about her rollers Anna Karanina in 891 00:44:22.260 --> 00:44:23.760 that year's Channel 4 production. 892 00:44:23.820 --> 00:44:27.900 How should a woman live her life, she said, survive to the age of 893 00:44:27.900 --> 00:44:31.679 70 fearfully being as everyone else instructed to be, or play the 894 00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:35.099 heroine passionately, in the knowledge that trying and failing 895 00:44:35.099 --> 00:44:36.719 need not equal defeat? 896 00:44:38.219 --> 00:44:41.400 What other percent is Toby Withouse right? 897 00:44:41.460 --> 00:44:43.079 So school reunion? 898 00:44:43.139 --> 00:44:44.940 The god complex. 899 00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:47.940 And the under the lake before the flood too, partner. 900 00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:50.340 And was there another? 901 00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:53.760 I mean, he created being human. 902 00:44:53.820 --> 00:44:55.199 Oh, I knew that. 903 00:44:55.260 --> 00:44:57.840 I just wanted to know what ones he'd written. 904 00:44:57.900 --> 00:45:01.199 I actually like all of those and especially like the under the 905 00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:03.480 lake before the flood 2 parter. 906 00:45:03.659 --> 00:45:07.860 Yeah, no, I think he's got the chops have been actually a really 907 00:45:07.860 --> 00:45:11.159 good showrunner for Doctor Who, quite frankly, if we were doing 6 908 00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:13.860 episodes a year based on his work on being human. 909 00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:16.320 Yeah. 6 to 8 episodes. 910 00:45:16.380 --> 00:45:16.619 Yeah. 911 00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:18.539 No, like that would be really good. 912 00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:22.139 It's funny, I think I was the last person still watching being 913 00:45:22.139 --> 00:45:24.780 human when it limped its way to the end. 914 00:45:24.780 --> 00:45:26.639 I liked being human. 915 00:45:26.699 --> 00:45:27.059 Did you? 916 00:45:27.059 --> 00:45:27.599 Did you get it? 917 00:45:27.659 --> 00:45:27.840 Yeah. 918 00:45:27.900 --> 00:45:28.980 I enjoyed it. 919 00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:31.500 I mean, even though you replace the entire cast. 920 00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:32.579 Yeah, yeah. 921 00:45:32.579 --> 00:45:35.460 I really like that final season cast. 922 00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:36.480 Yeah, yeah, me too. 923 00:45:36.539 --> 00:45:39.659 I mean, I love I love the original cast as well, but I really 924 00:45:39.659 --> 00:45:41.219 quite enjoyed what they did that season. 925 00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:46.139 And that ending or anyway, let's not talk about that in case they 926 00:45:46.139 --> 00:45:47.099 have nobody. 927 00:45:47.219 --> 00:45:50.880 Let's not talk about that in case the listener has not watched 928 00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:51.239 it. 929 00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:53.519 When are we doing the being human podcast? 930 00:45:53.579 --> 00:45:57.900 We're doing it sometime later in the year, probably. 931 00:45:58.260 --> 00:46:00.300 How does this one end? 932 00:46:00.420 --> 00:46:02.940 Is it a um, is it a voiceover?