WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-04 at 13:24:19 1 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:40.619 Hello, Delissa, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the 2 00:00:40.619 --> 00:00:44.579 only Doctor Who podcast with knobbly knees and turned out toes and 3 00:00:44.579 --> 00:00:46.619 a poisonous wart on the end of its nose. 4 00:00:46.679 --> 00:00:48.299 I'm Nathan. 5 00:00:48.359 --> 00:00:49.500 I'm Todd. 6 00:00:49.560 --> 00:00:50.460 I'm Brendan. 7 00:00:50.520 --> 00:00:51.600 And I'm Eric. 8 00:00:51.659 --> 00:00:54.960 Well, we've been bringing back classic Doctor Who monsters at the 9 00:00:54.960 --> 00:00:58.500 rate of about one a year for a few years now, and so this week 10 00:00:58.500 --> 00:01:02.340 it's time to see how the Siberians have been getting on 40 years 11 00:01:02.340 --> 00:01:05.939 after their 1st introduction by resident Pertwee giant lizard 12 00:01:05.939 --> 00:01:07.859 enthusiast Malcolm Hulk. 13 00:01:07.920 --> 00:01:10.620 Can they live up to the weight of our expectations? 14 00:01:10.680 --> 00:01:14.519 Let's find out as we discuss the hungry earth. 15 00:01:35.640 --> 00:01:40.500 So, Eric, are you a Silurians fan? 16 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:45.719 Of the story or the race of subterranean reptile people? 17 00:01:45.780 --> 00:01:49.140 Well, let's start with the let's start with the 1970s story. 18 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:51.060 I quite enjoy it. 19 00:01:51.120 --> 00:01:57.239 It suffers from a lot of the sort of 70s, the part we air, to be 20 00:01:57.239 --> 00:02:00.959 particular, issue of maybe it's an episode or 2 too long 21 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:01.560 arguably. 22 00:02:01.620 --> 00:02:03.780 Uh, but I actually quite like it. 23 00:02:03.840 --> 00:02:08.580 It is, along with Inferno, I think it's as adult and dark as the 24 00:02:08.580 --> 00:02:10.500 show has ever gotten. 25 00:02:10.620 --> 00:02:16.979 Um, It is morally complex in a way that Doctor Who rarely actually 26 00:02:16.979 --> 00:02:17.639 is. 27 00:02:17.699 --> 00:02:21.300 It likes to pretend to be morally complex, but is actually usually 28 00:02:21.300 --> 00:02:22.439 quite simplistic. 29 00:02:22.500 --> 00:02:26.099 Uh, whereas with the Salurians, There's genuinely no good answer 30 00:02:26.099 --> 00:02:30.479 um, in a way that is uh, depressing is all hell, but convincing to 31 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:30.840 reality. 32 00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:37.259 And I think that the, um, you know, the rubber monsters and things 33 00:02:37.259 --> 00:02:40.319 like that, you could sort of wave away, as I'm inclined to do with 34 00:02:40.319 --> 00:02:41.759 bad special effects from the past. 35 00:02:41.819 --> 00:02:46.259 But I think the story, and I think the dilemma presented, and the 36 00:02:46.259 --> 00:02:48.900 conflict between the doctor and the brigadier and the conflict 37 00:02:48.900 --> 00:02:52.860 with the Nissellirian society are all very realistic seeming and 38 00:02:52.860 --> 00:02:57.180 um, sort of give an indication about why certain races are just 39 00:02:57.180 --> 00:03:00.120 always going to have wars because they, they're always going to be 40 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:01.020 people who want wars. 41 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:05.759 And I mean, it's true to say that this covers a lot of the same 42 00:03:05.759 --> 00:03:07.139 ground. 43 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:10.500 It's clearly intended to be a sort of tribute. 44 00:03:10.620 --> 00:03:15.419 Yeah, a tribute of homage to the original story. 45 00:03:15.479 --> 00:03:18.360 I really like the original Silurian story a lot. 46 00:03:18.419 --> 00:03:22.979 The rubber suits of the Silurians, however, are, you know, a bit 47 00:03:22.979 --> 00:03:24.900 lamentable when you look back on things. 48 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:30.180 Yeah, um, you know, I love Pertwe's 1st season. 49 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:35.159 I don't necessarily think that tone was sustainable for, say, 5 50 00:03:35.159 --> 00:03:38.460 years, so I'm glad they pretty much reinvent the tone of pert Wii 51 00:03:38.460 --> 00:03:40.199 every couple of years, which I think is a great idea. 52 00:03:41.460 --> 00:03:46.800 And I do I do think this episode is a bit of a remix of those 53 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:51.539 themes, but I like, I like what new stuff is introduced here. 54 00:03:51.599 --> 00:03:57.599 And um, Chris Chibnall did say at the time that while uh, Stephen 55 00:03:57.599 --> 00:04:00.780 Moffatt encouraged him to use the ideas as laid down by Malcolm 56 00:04:00.780 --> 00:04:01.199 Hulk. 57 00:04:01.259 --> 00:04:06.840 Chris Gibnall said his main inspiration from that was actually the 58 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:07.680 novelisation. 59 00:04:08.039 --> 00:04:11.699 Which goes deeper into the characterisation of various people 60 00:04:11.699 --> 00:04:15.659 tells more from the perspective of the Silurians themselves and is 61 00:04:15.659 --> 00:04:17.040 one of the best target books. 62 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:19.019 I think it's brilliant. 63 00:04:19.079 --> 00:04:23.220 I think cave monsters is absolutely one of the best of the range. 64 00:04:23.279 --> 00:04:27.300 And Hulk's novelisations are always, I think, really very good. 65 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:29.279 Yeah, it makes colony in space. 66 00:04:29.339 --> 00:04:30.180 Exciting. 67 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:30.839 Yeah, yeah. 68 00:04:30.899 --> 00:04:36.180 The, what what it does do, what the cave monsters does do is it 69 00:04:36.180 --> 00:04:39.360 fixes the biggest problem with asylurans, which is that they're 3 70 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:43.319 rubber monsters all voiced by Peter Hawkins, and none of them have 71 00:04:43.319 --> 00:04:44.220 names. 72 00:04:44.279 --> 00:04:49.740 And so by giving them names and giving them characters, which are 73 00:04:49.740 --> 00:04:52.319 present in the script, but maybe not in the production. 74 00:04:52.379 --> 00:04:57.779 Um, You know, the, wasn't the working title the monsters or the 75 00:04:57.779 --> 00:05:01.800 cave monsters and and the whole idea of this was the people in 76 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:03.660 rubber suits are actually people. 77 00:05:04.500 --> 00:05:08.939 Yeah, it's definitely one of the, it's definitely one of the pert 78 00:05:08.939 --> 00:05:13.740 wee stories, uh, that spends at least some time trying to 79 00:05:13.740 --> 00:05:19.259 delineate and sort of, uh, interest the reader, the reader, the 80 00:05:19.259 --> 00:05:21.600 watcher, if you're watching on TV, the reader, if you're reading 81 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:24.779 the book, in sort of the society and the characters of the 82 00:05:24.779 --> 00:05:25.319 individual. 83 00:05:25.379 --> 00:05:27.899 You know, quote unquote, aliens. 84 00:05:27.959 --> 00:05:33.600 Like these are not Ogrons, these are not, you know, whatever, uh 85 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:34.560 Zog aliens. 86 00:05:34.620 --> 00:05:37.680 These are cellurians and they have different roles and they have 87 00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:39.360 different personalities and different outlooks. 88 00:05:39.420 --> 00:05:40.259 And I think you're right. 89 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:43.560 I think the lack of communicability through the rubber suit and 90 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:46.620 the same voice and the sort of need to just sort of shake your 91 00:05:46.620 --> 00:05:50.399 head to indicate which one of you is talking is problematic in the 92 00:05:50.399 --> 00:05:50.699 show. 93 00:05:50.819 --> 00:05:57.600 But the idea is clearly there to establish that the Salarians have 94 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:00.480 a society, they are not a monolith. 95 00:06:00.540 --> 00:06:03.180 They have a diverse society of viewpoints and opinions. 96 00:06:03.240 --> 00:06:07.139 And that's something that, uh, Hulk would do again when he 97 00:06:07.139 --> 00:06:09.899 invented draconians, it's something he played again with a little 98 00:06:09.899 --> 00:06:13.800 bit when he brought in, uh, the sea devils, the aquatic cousin, of 99 00:06:13.800 --> 00:06:14.040 course. 100 00:06:14.100 --> 00:06:19.319 It's one of the times where the show, I think, actually tries to 101 00:06:19.319 --> 00:06:24.240 have the viewer identified not just with the humans, but identify 102 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:26.279 with the quote unquote aliens as well. 103 00:06:26.699 --> 00:06:31.379 I think there's still a little bit of a problem in that eventually 104 00:06:31.379 --> 00:06:34.199 we just sort of settle on the idea that they want to kill us all 105 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:39.240 and, you know, the old guy gets killed and the and Morca, is it 106 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:39.720 Morca? 107 00:06:39.779 --> 00:06:43.920 I can never remember, the young Silurian kind of takes over and 108 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:47.279 immediately just wants to kind of infect us all. 109 00:06:47.339 --> 00:06:52.560 And so they end up to some degree playing the role of monsters. 110 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:55.139 And they probably do that a bit too quickly. 111 00:06:55.379 --> 00:06:59.220 I mean, I mean, too quickly is debateable in a 7 part story. 112 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:00.420 But I understand what you're saying. 113 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:03.180 It's sort of once they go evil. 114 00:07:03.540 --> 00:07:08.639 Once they go evil, it sort of happens all at once and that seems 115 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:09.899 that is problematic. 116 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:14.519 But I do think it's, um, The show raises an actual question, an 117 00:07:14.519 --> 00:07:19.199 actual problem that it doesn't really have the ability to solve 118 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:23.639 within the confines of the show without, so drastically, you'll be 119 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:27.120 working its version of Earth as to be unrecognisable. 120 00:07:27.180 --> 00:07:30.779 Like, it would be wild if after season 7, there were just, oh, and 121 00:07:30.779 --> 00:07:34.500 there are Salurian settlements all over the world, and people were 122 00:07:34.500 --> 00:07:37.439 just hanging out there with the Salarian building weird cave 123 00:07:37.439 --> 00:07:38.160 cities and stuff. 124 00:07:38.220 --> 00:07:38.759 That would be wild. 125 00:07:39.300 --> 00:07:41.699 We will get onto that next week. 126 00:07:41.819 --> 00:07:43.800 Katie Manning is a solo road. 127 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:50.220 I'm just visioning in my head that cartoon image of that Solurian 128 00:07:50.220 --> 00:07:53.819 that's sitting in the, the interview chair with the, with the, is 129 00:07:53.819 --> 00:07:54.600 it cigarette? 130 00:07:54.660 --> 00:07:57.600 You know, the one that's all over the interwear? 131 00:07:57.660 --> 00:07:58.800 Yes, yes, yeah. 132 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:02.040 So in a way. 133 00:08:02.040 --> 00:08:08.519 In a way, the production of this solves some of those problems 134 00:08:08.519 --> 00:08:09.060 doesn't it? 135 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:10.920 Does it? 136 00:08:10.980 --> 00:08:16.199 Well, you have Silurians who can indicate that they're speaking by 137 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:18.180 actually just speaking. 138 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:24.300 Um, you have people's eyes and and mouths and things like that. 139 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:27.000 So you get an actor's performance. 140 00:08:27.060 --> 00:08:30.540 Remember, when Pertwee talks about the draconians, one of the 141 00:08:30.540 --> 00:08:33.299 reasons that he likes them is that they're an acting performance 142 00:08:33.299 --> 00:08:34.919 rather than a monster performance. 143 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:38.820 And so you get silurians with names, you do get silurians with 144 00:08:38.820 --> 00:08:40.259 different opinions. 145 00:08:40.320 --> 00:08:43.919 And rather than just being 3 people in a room, you get this sort 146 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:47.820 of big silurian settlement that looks pretty amazing. 147 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:50.039 Next episode. 148 00:08:50.100 --> 00:08:50.820 Wow. 149 00:08:50.820 --> 00:08:53.639 We're getting ahead of us. we are. 150 00:08:54.179 --> 00:08:58.679 Well, that might be a good time to talk about the new Silurian 151 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:01.679 design because we weren't meant to see it this episode. 152 00:09:01.740 --> 00:09:02.879 Oh, okay. 153 00:09:02.940 --> 00:09:05.279 In Chibnall's original outline. 154 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:08.340 The sort of Silurian face reveal was the cliffhanger. 155 00:09:08.399 --> 00:09:12.419 It was the traditional monster reveal and dinosaurs. 156 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:15.840 We're going to be chasing them around the village, um, in the in 157 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:16.259 the bubble. 158 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:17.519 That would have been great. 159 00:09:17.580 --> 00:09:24.720 But pretty much millennium FX and Milk came back to Stephen 160 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:27.480 Moffatt and said, right, you can have the prosthetics or you can 161 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:29.639 have the CG dinosaurs, which is it? 162 00:09:29.700 --> 00:09:33.179 And they're like, well, we have to have the Solurians, and that's 163 00:09:33.179 --> 00:09:36.120 where the character of a layer came from. 164 00:09:36.419 --> 00:09:40.019 It's like, okay, well, not only, right, we'll introduce the 165 00:09:40.019 --> 00:09:44.039 Silurian halfway through episode one, but they can now be taken 166 00:09:44.039 --> 00:09:48.059 hostage and so we mirror the situation under the surface above the 167 00:09:48.059 --> 00:09:48.419 surface. 168 00:09:48.659 --> 00:09:51.840 Oh, but how much budget do we have for actors? 169 00:09:51.899 --> 00:09:52.139 Right. 170 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:53.759 So Lurian's now a clone race? 171 00:09:56.039 --> 00:10:00.179 Very clear budgetary move, isn't it, to have? 172 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:02.159 We'll see that next week, of course. 173 00:10:02.220 --> 00:10:06.000 But they do they do throw a red herring in the fact that they have 174 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:08.820 the mask over their faces, which makes them look a bit more like 175 00:10:08.820 --> 00:10:11.220 like the original rubber monsters. 176 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:14.820 And I remember being bitterly disappointed at the face of you 177 00:10:14.820 --> 00:10:18.600 going, oh, well, they're just another Star Trek Babylon 5 sort of 178 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:22.740 creature, as opposed to rubber men in suits, you know, at the time 179 00:10:22.740 --> 00:10:24.120 I was really not happy about it. 180 00:10:24.179 --> 00:10:27.299 But now actually it's the best decision they made. 181 00:10:27.360 --> 00:10:32.039 I think, yeah, I think you lose something because, because I think 182 00:10:32.039 --> 00:10:38.100 that the genius of the original story was to have us treat rubber 183 00:10:38.100 --> 00:10:39.360 monsters as people. 184 00:10:39.419 --> 00:10:43.139 Whereas here we're encouraged to take the incredible step of 185 00:10:43.139 --> 00:10:44.279 treating people as people. 186 00:10:44.340 --> 00:10:45.960 And so you kind of lose that. 187 00:10:46.019 --> 00:10:50.279 And, you know, when you call them Star Trek monsters, Todd, of 188 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:54.240 course, they're the Voth from distant origin in Voyager, aren't 189 00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:54.360 they? 190 00:10:54.419 --> 00:10:59.580 Yes, who return heavily ripped off the Silurians to the point of 191 00:10:59.580 --> 00:11:02.159 basically saying to Chikotay, no, you can't have evolved on this 192 00:11:02.159 --> 00:11:02.519 planet. 193 00:11:02.580 --> 00:11:03.600 We evolved on this planet. 194 00:11:03.659 --> 00:11:04.799 What are you talking about? 195 00:11:04.860 --> 00:11:07.259 I have to say, I'm with you there, Todd. 196 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:11.100 I was quite disappointed in 2010 when, you know, there's not even 197 00:11:11.100 --> 00:11:12.179 the 3rd eye. 198 00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:13.860 Yes, there's no 3rd. 199 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:16.740 The reasoning behind that as well is so weird. 200 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:20.220 It was actually Stephen Moffatt, who said no 3rd eye, because 201 00:11:20.220 --> 00:11:24.120 that's Davros's thing now, and like our younger viewers who saw 202 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:27.659 Davros 2 years ago might associate that, which I think is rather 203 00:11:27.659 --> 00:11:28.440 an odd decision. 204 00:11:28.500 --> 00:11:31.679 I do think allowing the actor's performance to get through the 205 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:35.100 mask is the right decision and looking back on it now. 206 00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:39.840 Also, I think as good as those original Silurian heads are, you 207 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:42.000 put that on telly in 2010. 208 00:11:42.179 --> 00:11:46.860 And, you know, try and treat it seriously and do that message of 209 00:11:46.860 --> 00:11:51.419 everyone in their story as a person who, you know, has a right to 210 00:11:51.419 --> 00:11:55.080 a home and liberty and to live free of war. 211 00:11:55.139 --> 00:11:58.259 And people are just gonna laugh at that because it's like human 212 00:11:58.259 --> 00:12:00.480 face and weird rubber thing. 213 00:12:00.539 --> 00:12:04.620 That being said, in recent years, people have been, um 214 00:12:04.620 --> 00:12:11.460 Photoshopping an original Solurian head onto Madame Vastra, and it 215 00:12:11.460 --> 00:12:16.139 looks, it looks hilarious, but also it suits what that character 216 00:12:16.139 --> 00:12:18.779 will become getting way ahead of ourselves. 217 00:12:19.019 --> 00:12:22.379 I don't think they're fully successful, I have to say. 218 00:12:22.440 --> 00:12:24.539 I think, like the Santarians. 219 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:31.139 They only work with Vastra and Strax for me, but I think that's 220 00:12:31.139 --> 00:12:33.360 more of it in the next episode, as far as I'm concerned. 221 00:12:33.419 --> 00:12:38.460 Yeah, I mean, so we've gotten, um, Neva McIntosh, don't we? 222 00:12:38.519 --> 00:12:45.419 Yeah, so Niamh McIntosh is a layer, and we've also got Malocare 223 00:12:45.419 --> 00:12:45.899 the scientist. 224 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:48.600 That's such a chibnal space name, isn't it? 225 00:12:48.659 --> 00:12:51.600 Well, it's based on Malcolm Hulk. 226 00:12:51.659 --> 00:12:59.340 Oh, and Restack. is, and this is a bit more of a stretch is based 227 00:12:59.340 --> 00:13:00.179 on Terence Dix. 228 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:01.080 Okay. 229 00:13:01.139 --> 00:13:04.860 So it, they are chip no space names, but they're also bidmead 230 00:13:04.860 --> 00:13:05.399 space names. 231 00:13:05.460 --> 00:13:06.419 Yeah, yeah. 232 00:13:06.480 --> 00:13:07.620 That's probably fair enough. 233 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:10.620 And L Dane is based on nothing at all. 234 00:13:10.679 --> 00:13:12.480 He should have been called Larry Betts, obviously. 235 00:13:25.259 --> 00:13:29.340 So, of course, we don't start with the Silurians, because it's a 236 00:13:29.340 --> 00:13:31.980 Doctor Who story, and we have to sort of faff about for a bit and 237 00:13:31.980 --> 00:13:32.940 introduce everyone. 238 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:37.980 And I think we do that at quite a leisurely pace in this story. 239 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:43.919 It kind of like the last big non-season finale 2 parter, isn't 240 00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:44.100 it? 241 00:13:44.159 --> 00:13:46.080 I'm not counting series 9, I guess. 242 00:13:46.139 --> 00:13:51.240 Um, But everything is is a little bit sort of stately. 243 00:13:51.299 --> 00:13:54.720 But in fact, that's actually not such a bad thing, is it? 244 00:13:55.019 --> 00:14:00.659 I, maybe, I don't, I, I, I think stately is a nice way of saying 245 00:14:00.659 --> 00:14:01.799 stodgy, I think. 246 00:14:01.860 --> 00:14:08.700 Uh, and I do actually find the the pacing of this story to be, to 247 00:14:08.700 --> 00:14:10.799 be quite slow for modern Doctor Who. 248 00:14:10.860 --> 00:14:15.419 Um, I think Chib Noel kind of only really has enough plot, such as 249 00:14:15.419 --> 00:14:19.559 it is for maybe an episode and a half or a 75 minute long episode 250 00:14:19.559 --> 00:14:21.720 and he has to stretch it out every 2 full ones. 251 00:14:21.779 --> 00:14:24.240 So everything just kind of takes a bit longer. 252 00:14:24.299 --> 00:14:28.019 There's the entire thing where you spend, you know, 5 minutes 253 00:14:28.019 --> 00:14:32.519 building this electronic perimeter only to have it completely 254 00:14:32.519 --> 00:14:36.659 destroyed as soon as a cellar range arrived, so it's just, oh, so 255 00:14:36.659 --> 00:14:38.100 that script time was just wasted. 256 00:14:38.220 --> 00:14:38.759 Okay. 257 00:14:38.820 --> 00:14:40.919 That's that's that's great. 258 00:14:40.980 --> 00:14:43.919 And I mean, that feels a very classic series where you spend half 259 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:46.379 of episode 2 doing something that's not going to work so you can 260 00:14:46.379 --> 00:14:47.159 get a cliffhanger. 261 00:14:47.220 --> 00:14:53.879 Uh, yeah, I, I, I, I do, it's very chibnally feeling to me, the 262 00:14:53.879 --> 00:14:58.080 introduction of little Elliot, the dyslexic boy and his poor mom 263 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:02.940 and then just all very like, oh, look, I'm trying to do like RTD 264 00:15:02.100 --> 00:15:05.399 ish stuff and introduce a family and these relationships, but he 265 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:06.480 just doesn't do it as well. 266 00:15:06.539 --> 00:15:09.899 And it feels strangely out of place in the Moffat era, so it's 267 00:15:09.899 --> 00:15:12.000 sort of like, huh, this is a weird fit. 268 00:15:12.059 --> 00:15:17.220 I do think, though, he does a reasonable job of kind of 269 00:15:17.220 --> 00:15:19.320 delineating the human characters. 270 00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:22.080 I've been watching ahead and I did get to the end of another 271 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:27.179 actual sort of 2 parter, which slipped my mind just now, which is 272 00:15:27.179 --> 00:15:30.659 the gangers 2 parter, and by the end of the 1st episode, I didn't 273 00:15:30.659 --> 00:15:33.419 know how many people were on the base or what any of their names 274 00:15:33.419 --> 00:15:33.840 were. 275 00:15:33.899 --> 00:15:38.159 And here I do think like Elliot, I think is quite a successful 276 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:38.700 character. 277 00:15:38.759 --> 00:15:41.399 I do like that little scene at the beginning. 278 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:47.279 Um, the line where Mo says to Elliot, um, who loves you more than 279 00:15:47.279 --> 00:15:52.559 me, and it's like no one, and then, and then Ambrose, who will 280 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:55.379 obviously become a massive problem later in the episode, is 281 00:15:55.379 --> 00:15:57.419 actually really rather sweet there as well. 282 00:15:57.480 --> 00:16:00.779 And I guess that needs to be established given what her 283 00:16:00.779 --> 00:16:02.759 motivations are for the rest of the episode. 284 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:06.059 And so I don't think that that's badly done. 285 00:16:06.120 --> 00:16:11.159 And I certainly think that Mira Ciel's character, um, who is just 286 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:16.080 there briefly in that sort of pre-credits teaser is really 287 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:16.440 something. 288 00:16:16.620 --> 00:16:21.059 Yeah, I mean, I love Miraciel in every, everything I see her in 289 00:16:21.059 --> 00:16:25.259 but yeah, her, her as, as Nazarene, you know, continuing the new 290 00:16:25.259 --> 00:16:30.360 series thing of, um, women scientists that you want to jump in the 291 00:16:30.360 --> 00:16:34.320 Tartars at some point, 0 my god, she does, you know, and I'm like 292 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:37.860 Ida Scott, she's fully conscious and is just lovely in the Tartars 293 00:16:37.860 --> 00:16:38.940 towards the end of this episode. 294 00:16:39.299 --> 00:16:42.539 But yeah, I love the family as well. 295 00:16:42.539 --> 00:16:47.879 And the Moffat era will not always successfully handle child 296 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:53.820 characters, but I think Elliot is absolutely delightful. 297 00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:56.220 He wasn't terribly experienced. 298 00:16:56.279 --> 00:17:00.539 The production team saw him being interviewed as himself, I think 299 00:17:00.539 --> 00:17:03.539 for a news item about wanting to be an actor. 300 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:07.440 And so invited him to audition for the part. 301 00:17:07.500 --> 00:17:11.460 And there's there's interview footage of him just saying, I love 302 00:17:11.460 --> 00:17:15.240 Doctor Who, and I'm having a fantastic tie, but what have you 303 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:20.099 which is just lovely. and much like another character Chris 304 00:17:20.099 --> 00:17:21.539 Chipnall will write later. 305 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:26.880 His dyslexia is written, I think, with sort of great sympathy, and 306 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:30.839 just it also gives Matt Smith's doctor the chance to say that 307 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:34.200 wonderful line when Elliot says, oh, I can draw your map, but I 308 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:36.660 can't do the words and the doctor just leans down and says, well, I 309 00:17:36.660 --> 00:17:38.940 can't make a very good meringue, but, you know, this is your job 310 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:40.079 that's what I want you to do. 311 00:17:40.140 --> 00:17:43.019 And those 2 are just so lovely together. 312 00:17:43.079 --> 00:17:45.960 Matt Smith and Samuel Davies. 313 00:17:46.019 --> 00:17:47.400 Yeah, I agree. 314 00:17:47.460 --> 00:17:48.720 I think that's a beautiful moment. 315 00:17:49.380 --> 00:17:55.559 Ambrose, I'd grow to dislike intensely, like, I just really hate 316 00:17:55.559 --> 00:17:59.099 that character so much, but more about that next week. 317 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:01.380 Nazarene is fantastic. 318 00:18:01.440 --> 00:18:05.220 She really does stand out as something in this era, you know, as 319 00:18:05.220 --> 00:18:07.799 somebody who is just suddenly there, but she has this instant 320 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:10.740 connection with the doctor and believes in him right from the get 321 00:18:10.740 --> 00:18:11.099 go. 322 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:13.980 I found it really interesting watching it just to see how 323 00:18:13.980 --> 00:18:17.759 sympathetic she is towards him and is and open-minded to what is 324 00:18:17.759 --> 00:18:18.299 going on. 325 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:23.099 And I really enjoyed her entire performance in this entire 2 326 00:18:23.099 --> 00:18:23.460 part. 327 00:18:24.119 --> 00:18:29.819 Mo, of course, gets taken down underneath right at the beginning. 328 00:18:29.880 --> 00:18:32.819 I really have a problem with that scene because he's putting his 329 00:18:32.819 --> 00:18:35.519 hands down 1st to get sucked down and then it cuts away and comes 330 00:18:35.519 --> 00:18:37.799 back and then he's being dragged in by the legs. 331 00:18:37.859 --> 00:18:40.200 Yes, and it just irritates me so much. 332 00:18:40.259 --> 00:18:41.940 It's the 1st problem I have with this episode. 333 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:43.079 Yeah, yeah. 334 00:18:43.140 --> 00:18:45.420 There is an editing problem in that scene. 335 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:48.000 There's 15 minutes of cut footage from this episode. 336 00:18:48.059 --> 00:18:48.660 Really? 337 00:18:48.779 --> 00:18:49.380 Yeah. 338 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:52.559 Yeah, I do wonder because I don't think Ashley Way returns to the 339 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:55.079 show after this, and I do wonder if that's why, because part of 340 00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:59.220 the director's job. in the planning stage is to is to inform the 341 00:18:59.220 --> 00:19:00.779 production team if the script is too long. 342 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:03.599 Um, there was stuff cut from M2 as well. 343 00:19:03.660 --> 00:19:06.240 But yeah, there's 15 minutes cut from F1, including where the 344 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:08.519 funding is coming from from the drill. 345 00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:10.319 I'm sorry to have lost that. 346 00:19:10.380 --> 00:19:14.759 Um, but it's all, but also that's why they are pushing. 347 00:19:14.819 --> 00:19:19.319 They are, but that's why they're pushing so hard and why, it's 348 00:19:19.319 --> 00:19:21.720 part of the reason that they don't discover what's down there. 349 00:19:21.779 --> 00:19:24.359 They haven't actually done the proper scans because they're 350 00:19:24.359 --> 00:19:28.259 pushing, which harks back to 42, where they don't scan the sun 351 00:19:28.259 --> 00:19:31.980 before they go scooping because they're on a, they're on a tight 352 00:19:31.980 --> 00:19:32.400 schedule. 353 00:19:32.460 --> 00:19:37.140 So, you know, it, I, I think Chibnell has a thing of scientists 354 00:19:37.140 --> 00:19:41.160 having to be irresponsible because of the pressure they're under. 355 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:46.440 And yeah, so, you know, it's not a big problem to have lost it. 356 00:19:46.500 --> 00:19:49.680 But it does mean we just get a bit of ADR where the doctor says 357 00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:53.400 you were only seeing what you wanted to see when you scanned 358 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:53.640 this. 359 00:19:53.700 --> 00:19:54.480 Yeah. 360 00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:57.359 I don't have a problem with that. 361 00:19:57.839 --> 00:20:01.500 It's all the little lines about, you know, we have to bus people 362 00:20:01.500 --> 00:20:05.460 in from the village and and so they're going to be isolated, so 363 00:20:05.460 --> 00:20:06.480 it's going to be a small cast. 364 00:20:06.539 --> 00:20:07.980 I'm all okay with that. 365 00:20:08.039 --> 00:20:09.539 I actually really like all of that stuff. 366 00:20:09.599 --> 00:20:12.299 Did we know that the Salarians are coming back? 367 00:20:12.359 --> 00:20:15.299 I really don't know, but I think we might have, yeah. 368 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:19.559 But I was seeing that, yes, babe, we've got a big drill and we're 369 00:20:19.559 --> 00:20:23.099 going down and 0 my goodness, it's probably the Silurians and, and 370 00:20:23.099 --> 00:20:26.160 then, you know, we're going to be cut off from everybody else. 371 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:29.940 Chris sets things up very obviously. 372 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:31.079 Yeah. 373 00:20:31.079 --> 00:20:35.039 And that's another thing which irritates me is at the beginning of 374 00:20:35.039 --> 00:20:37.619 the episode when Amy and Rory come out of the TARS and they see 375 00:20:37.619 --> 00:20:40.859 themselves waving from the future, like they're there from the 376 00:20:40.859 --> 00:20:42.420 future, sort of like, well, this has never happened before. 377 00:20:42.480 --> 00:20:45.779 And so I kind of go, well, is this going to come into play? 378 00:20:45.779 --> 00:20:48.059 Like, it's like, it's almost like he wants it at the end. 379 00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:49.319 So we're going to put it at the beginning. 380 00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:52.440 And then Rory has to put the engagement ring back in the Tartar. 381 00:20:52.500 --> 00:20:56.700 Well, I don't know, it's just, it just irritates, like it's not 382 00:20:56.700 --> 00:21:00.839 irritating at the time, but it just big red flags as this is where 383 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:03.000 I want to be at the end, so I'm going to join the dots to get to 384 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:03.420 that point. 385 00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:06.119 I think with that material in particular. 386 00:21:06.180 --> 00:21:11.220 It's very hard to disentangle what Moffatt might have been 387 00:21:11.220 --> 00:21:16.380 responsible for, given that the story doesn't look like it's 388 00:21:16.380 --> 00:21:20.400 written in any way to lead up to what happens at the end of next 389 00:21:20.400 --> 00:21:20.759 week. 390 00:21:20.940 --> 00:21:23.099 And so I don't know. 391 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:26.460 Do you think that might be something Stevens put in, possibly 392 00:21:26.460 --> 00:21:26.819 possibly. 393 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:31.619 I um, I do, I do commend um, future Amy and Rory from the year 394 00:21:31.619 --> 00:21:32.279 2020. 395 00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:34.799 They are obviously champions of social distancing. 396 00:21:34.980 --> 00:21:37.380 They are a long way away. 397 00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:50.400 Like you, Todd, I really like the small cast, and it makes episode 398 00:21:50.400 --> 00:21:53.759 one a base under siege story. 399 00:21:53.819 --> 00:21:57.240 But without the intransigent base commander. 400 00:21:57.299 --> 00:22:00.599 You know, we do have people in heightened emotional states for 401 00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:02.880 understandable reasons, like their loved ones have gone missing 402 00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:06.299 but none of them outright, say to the doctor, oh, no, you can't do 403 00:22:06.299 --> 00:22:07.859 that, install the plot for 10 minutes. 404 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:10.380 They just go, okay, yeah, weird stuff is happening. 405 00:22:10.440 --> 00:22:12.960 You're here and you know about the weird stuff. 406 00:22:13.019 --> 00:22:14.220 All right, what do we do? 407 00:22:14.279 --> 00:22:17.400 And it's only when, you know, Elliot gets taken, that they start 408 00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:18.359 to question him. 409 00:22:18.420 --> 00:22:20.160 But even then when he turns around and says, right, this is what 410 00:22:20.160 --> 00:22:21.599 I'm going to do now and this is what you're going to do. 411 00:22:21.660 --> 00:22:25.619 They all kind of grudgingly go, well, you know, we don't have much 412 00:22:25.619 --> 00:22:26.220 other option. 413 00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:28.200 And I like that. 414 00:22:28.259 --> 00:22:30.660 I like that even though they're all under duress. 415 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:31.619 They're not idiot. 416 00:22:31.859 --> 00:22:34.319 Yeah, yeah, I mean. 417 00:22:34.920 --> 00:22:39.660 There is a difficulty with this episode, isn't it, in that we're 418 00:22:39.660 --> 00:22:43.559 discussing an episode that is largely just set up. 419 00:22:43.619 --> 00:22:47.099 And it does that. 420 00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:49.500 I think it does that reasonably effectively. 421 00:22:49.619 --> 00:22:55.079 Um, but, but I'm just not sort of super uh, sold on how 422 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:55.740 interesting it is. 423 00:22:55.859 --> 00:23:00.599 I mean, the thing that we normally say about this 2 parter is that 424 00:23:00.599 --> 00:23:04.140 episode one is sort of quite good and episode 2 it all sort of 425 00:23:04.140 --> 00:23:04.859 goes to hell. 426 00:23:05.039 --> 00:23:10.440 Episode one is is, though, a bit thin, I think. 427 00:23:10.500 --> 00:23:14.099 You know, like I just don't think there's all that much to it. 428 00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:15.660 But I like that. 429 00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:19.319 I'm inclined to agree with Nathan about the thinness. 430 00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:24.359 In and of itself, the sort of, uh, the small town, you know, or 431 00:23:24.359 --> 00:23:28.380 the idea of there's only these few people and Elliot and Ambrose 432 00:23:28.380 --> 00:23:31.500 and the grave feeding people like, oh, all the sort of character 433 00:23:31.500 --> 00:23:34.079 stuff done in part one is fine. 434 00:23:34.259 --> 00:23:39.839 Um, I think it's very difficult, though, to watch it and sort of 435 00:23:39.839 --> 00:23:44.700 disconnect your knowledge of that most of it goes to waste or is 436 00:23:44.700 --> 00:23:50.160 not developed interestingly or whatever in in the 2nd part that he 437 00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:53.519 does this sort of establishment of who Elliot is, and then Elliot 438 00:23:53.519 --> 00:23:55.440 is essentially not really a character in part two. 439 00:23:55.500 --> 00:24:01.259 He does this work to make Ambrose vaguely sympathetic, but also 440 00:24:01.259 --> 00:24:04.259 establishing from the beginning that she's someone who reaches for 441 00:24:04.259 --> 00:24:08.039 a gun at a moment's notice, which is maybe not great. 442 00:24:08.099 --> 00:24:12.839 Um, and Tony is just sort of nice old guy, which I suppose 443 00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:16.380 everyone needs a nice old guy sometimes, but I think the only one 444 00:24:16.380 --> 00:24:19.559 who really comes out of the entire 2 part of feeling like a proper 445 00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:20.819 character is Nazarene. 446 00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:23.339 I think that's probably just because she gets to hang out with the 447 00:24:23.339 --> 00:24:26.220 doctor and therefore she gets the most screen time and gets the 448 00:24:26.220 --> 00:24:27.420 most interesting stuff to do. 449 00:24:27.480 --> 00:24:32.759 Yeah, it's it's thin, it's fine, but it kind of all leads nowhere 450 00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:36.960 in the end, I think, or leads to things that are just so 451 00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:39.720 outlandish as to be, you almost wish they didn't happen. 452 00:24:39.779 --> 00:24:41.339 It's, I don't know. 453 00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:46.619 It's it's a really weird contrast between the 2 parts in some ways 454 00:24:46.619 --> 00:24:50.460 where this one definitely is sort of like a fun monstery based 455 00:24:50.460 --> 00:24:51.720 under CG sort of thing. 456 00:24:51.779 --> 00:24:54.299 And then we just get slammed and just something completely 457 00:24:54.299 --> 00:24:55.440 different the following week. 458 00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:59.700 And I completely agree with you, and that's why I love this 459 00:24:59.700 --> 00:25:01.500 episode and I loved it at the time. 460 00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:05.880 I love seeing Rory without Amy because he's just been an adjunct 461 00:25:05.880 --> 00:25:07.319 to her over the last 2 episodes. 462 00:25:07.380 --> 00:25:10.920 And here he gets to stand in his own 2 feet and work with the 463 00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:13.380 doctor and meet these people by himself. 464 00:25:13.380 --> 00:25:15.420 And I really love Arthur and I love that. 465 00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:18.299 I like the fact that Karen's a bit sidelined for the episode. 466 00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:22.079 Um, But, you know, she's still there, obviously, at the beginning 467 00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:25.319 and I just like the way in which halfway through, suddenly we've 468 00:25:25.319 --> 00:25:27.960 got the whole dome and everything goes dark, and that's something 469 00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:31.799 that I really enjoy, and I love the music that goes with it, and 470 00:25:31.799 --> 00:25:33.960 all the buildup. 471 00:25:34.019 --> 00:25:37.440 And I mean, you know that obviously when Amy gets taken, she's 472 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:40.140 going to be okay, but honestly, that scene where she's in the 473 00:25:40.140 --> 00:25:43.859 perspects coffin thing always gets to me, it's so claustrophobic. 474 00:25:43.920 --> 00:25:45.299 It really is, actually. 475 00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:47.940 Just noticing how close that glass is to her face. 476 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:48.839 Yes. 477 00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:51.660 You know, it would actually have been sort of quite uncomfortable 478 00:25:51.660 --> 00:25:52.380 for the actor. 479 00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:56.339 And I think she does a really great job there. 480 00:25:56.579 --> 00:25:59.339 It is per to his greatest hits. 481 00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:02.819 It's a love letter to the Pertwi era or is it just sort of mining 482 00:26:02.819 --> 00:26:06.420 the Pertwi era for sort of set pieces that have worked in the 483 00:26:06.420 --> 00:26:06.839 past? 484 00:26:06.900 --> 00:26:12.960 I think it is using some of the set pieces, but It's as if, okay 485 00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:15.539 if we had come up with these ideas in 2010, what would they look 486 00:26:15.539 --> 00:26:15.779 like? 487 00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:16.440 Yeah. 488 00:26:16.440 --> 00:26:21.119 And one particular thing I love about the direction in those 489 00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:24.359 sequences is there's a bit where Rory is setting up a camera. 490 00:26:24.420 --> 00:26:26.819 So you got Rory in the foreground up a ladder, you got docked 491 00:26:26.819 --> 00:26:30.059 behind him and they look up and it's getting dark and when you 492 00:26:30.059 --> 00:26:31.440 come back to them, it's night. 493 00:26:31.500 --> 00:26:34.380 They're in exactly the same positions, the camera is in the same 494 00:26:34.380 --> 00:26:38.039 position, and my god, that would have taken, you know, that would 495 00:26:38.039 --> 00:26:39.180 have taken effort to set up. 496 00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:41.819 It's not quite as effective the other way around with the meals on 497 00:26:41.819 --> 00:26:47.640 wheels, man, but capturing a Silurian in a meals on wheels van. is 498 00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:48.000 pretty good. 499 00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:51.359 That is that is brilliant, especially because, you know, Ambrose 500 00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:54.119 really is at the point where she's going to pick up a weapon and 501 00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:58.380 hit the 1st thing that moves. whether that's the doctor or not. 502 00:26:58.440 --> 00:27:04.619 So that is, it is a clever solution that is operating on reptiles 503 00:27:04.619 --> 00:27:08.039 don't like cold, but it is not a cruel solution. 504 00:27:08.099 --> 00:27:08.759 Yeah. 505 00:27:08.819 --> 00:27:12.480 You know, it's not a pit full of spears kind of thing or yeah. 506 00:27:12.539 --> 00:27:18.000 I, can I just say that Matt is really amazing in that scene, that 507 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:23.700 um, that scene where he confronts Ambrose and tells her that she 508 00:27:23.700 --> 00:27:27.420 doesn't need the weapons and that's not how we do things. 509 00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:35.279 Um, Matt has a way of being frightening by toning it down. 510 00:27:35.339 --> 00:27:38.400 But here he tones it down even further than that. 511 00:27:38.460 --> 00:27:39.720 He's not frightening. 512 00:27:39.779 --> 00:27:44.759 He's kind of friendly in a sort of odd way, as if he's trying to 513 00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:46.619 jolly her along, but it's not. 514 00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:51.900 It's not warm, you know, like he's, he just pitches it absolutely 515 00:27:51.900 --> 00:27:53.220 perfectly, I think. 516 00:27:53.819 --> 00:27:56.640 Yeah, he just says very offhandedly. 517 00:27:56.700 --> 00:27:57.660 I'm asking nicely. 518 00:27:57.720 --> 00:27:58.980 Yeah, yeah, but he is. 519 00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:04.079 Yeah, he is asking nicely, but he is asking nicely in the most 520 00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:05.519 threatening way possible. 521 00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:08.279 I think Matt Smith. 522 00:28:08.339 --> 00:28:12.299 It has been a number of years since I have watched a Matt Smith 523 00:28:12.299 --> 00:28:15.960 episode that wasn't Day of the Doctor, I think, probably, because 524 00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:17.819 I tend to rewatch that sometimes. 525 00:28:17.940 --> 00:28:22.019 But especially just watching a straight up season 5 story his 1st 526 00:28:22.019 --> 00:28:22.259 season. 527 00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:25.680 He's incredibly good in this role. 528 00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:29.160 I like, I've always been like, oh, the 11th doctor is one of my 529 00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:29.519 favourites. 530 00:28:29.579 --> 00:28:30.059 I adore him. 531 00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:30.900 Watching this. 532 00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:34.019 I'm like, Jesus Christ, we did know how lucky we were at the time 533 00:28:34.019 --> 00:28:34.920 to have this guy. 534 00:28:34.980 --> 00:28:35.700 He's amazing. 535 00:28:35.819 --> 00:28:40.200 That scene is phenomenal where he's talking with Ambrose and as 536 00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:42.240 you say, he does the sort of polite threatening. 537 00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:45.720 His scene with Elliot, as we mentioned, is great. 538 00:28:45.779 --> 00:28:49.200 Um, him talking with Amy and Rory are really great. 539 00:28:49.259 --> 00:28:50.940 Like everything he's doing is fantastic. 540 00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:56.039 Um, at his scene where he comes in uh, with the chair to 541 00:28:56.039 --> 00:29:01.619 interrogate Aleia. is just like a sort of a masterclass in how to 542 00:29:01.619 --> 00:29:05.819 go from friendly to threatening all at the same time and sitting 543 00:29:05.819 --> 00:29:09.480 there in a folding chair, even his physicality in that scene where 544 00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:12.420 he sort of lithely sort of lifting the chair around. 545 00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:16.500 And then he quotes McCoy in a series, in an episode full of Pertwi 546 00:29:16.500 --> 00:29:18.960 homages, he quotes McCoy and says, there will be no battle here 547 00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:19.259 today. 548 00:29:19.380 --> 00:29:24.420 And he sort of just strides out, confident as ever, that as the 549 00:29:24.420 --> 00:29:29.819 doctor, he's going to fix things, and he does, but at a cost, but 550 00:29:29.819 --> 00:29:32.160 it is, it's a phenomenal performance from him. 551 00:29:32.220 --> 00:29:36.839 It was the thing I was by far most uh, most astounded by in most 552 00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:40.200 uh, most uh, such a pleasure to revisit when we watched this. 553 00:29:40.740 --> 00:29:48.180 My 2 things are, the moment where he says that he's the last of 554 00:29:48.180 --> 00:29:54.240 his species, um, without being sort of tenancy and overwrought is 555 00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:59.519 super refreshing, and then the scene where everyone turns to look 556 00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:04.980 at him, because he's let Elliot go off on his own, and he's sort 557 00:30:04.980 --> 00:30:09.839 of embarrassed and mortified and completely silent, and, and I 558 00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:11.279 just think that's extraordary. 559 00:30:11.339 --> 00:30:12.539 He's so good. 560 00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:16.980 I've just enjoyed his performance all this season and uh, you know 561 00:30:16.980 --> 00:30:20.279 when Nasreen claps him after his that scene. 562 00:30:20.339 --> 00:30:23.339 I mean, she is us and that's why I love her so much, but it's just 563 00:30:23.339 --> 00:30:25.019 it's so earned from that character. 564 00:30:25.140 --> 00:30:28.319 It's so earned. he nobody dies today. 565 00:30:28.380 --> 00:30:30.599 He really is just phenomenal in this. 566 00:30:30.660 --> 00:30:31.740 Yeah. 567 00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:34.140 Can I say I hate that speech? 568 00:30:34.619 --> 00:30:39.180 And I think the reason I hate that speech is that we know what's 569 00:30:39.180 --> 00:30:39.839 going to happen. 570 00:30:39.900 --> 00:30:45.599 It's so clearly the doctor setting up the, now, everyone. 571 00:30:45.660 --> 00:30:48.839 Just make sure you don't kill the lizard lady. 572 00:30:48.900 --> 00:30:52.619 And you just kind of think, it would have been so easy not to kill 573 00:30:52.619 --> 00:30:56.940 the lizard lady, but like it's definitely a thing that's going to 574 00:30:56.940 --> 00:30:57.359 happen. 575 00:30:57.420 --> 00:30:58.980 And also, you know what? 576 00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:03.660 I wasn't considering it, but now... now that you put it into my 577 00:31:03.660 --> 00:31:03.839 mind. 578 00:31:03.900 --> 00:31:06.480 Yeah, and then codiles really tasty. 579 00:31:06.539 --> 00:31:07.859 It is. 580 00:31:07.859 --> 00:31:11.099 And then she even takes it on board herself and says, I know which 581 00:31:11.099 --> 00:31:12.299 one review is going to kill me. 582 00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:14.160 How generous. 583 00:31:14.220 --> 00:31:18.000 Now, the thing is, I have to say with that, and I've spoken about 584 00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:20.940 this on our waters of Mars Thick. 585 00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:27.660 I do kind of enjoy stories sometimes where you as the viewer 586 00:31:27.660 --> 00:31:31.500 inevitably know that the thing that the characters say must not 587 00:31:31.500 --> 00:31:33.180 happen is gonna happen. 588 00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:38.099 And I think, I think a lot of, a lot of Doctor Who writers have 589 00:31:38.099 --> 00:31:38.640 have used that. 590 00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:43.200 And, you know, I reckon in a way, Russell uses it in turn left 591 00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:46.500 because we as the viewer know the events of the Doctor Who 592 00:31:46.500 --> 00:31:49.019 universe and how they're going to unfold. 593 00:31:49.019 --> 00:31:54.059 And, um, sort of when Donna and Will say things like, oh, you know 594 00:31:54.059 --> 00:31:57.119 things can't get much worse and the cars start spewing out toxic 595 00:31:57.119 --> 00:31:58.079 gas or what have you. 596 00:31:58.140 --> 00:32:01.619 Yeah, no, I just think I think it sort of sets up this moral 597 00:32:01.619 --> 00:32:05.880 dilemma for the characters in a way that just a little bit too on 598 00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:06.359 the nose. 599 00:32:07.140 --> 00:32:10.920 Yeah, and I actually, I'm inclined to agree with Nathan again. 600 00:32:10.980 --> 00:32:14.039 Uh, this is why Nathan and uh, like having me on. 601 00:32:14.099 --> 00:32:16.680 I agree with that. about that speech. 602 00:32:16.740 --> 00:32:19.619 I think Nazarene's clapping is entirely earned and perfectly 603 00:32:19.619 --> 00:32:20.220 justified. 604 00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:23.579 I do think, though, it feels too much like a speech. 605 00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:28.559 It feels too much like a pep talk from the coach, which means it 606 00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:33.539 feels performative in a way that sort of pushes me out a bit. 607 00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:38.519 I also do think it's one of those situations where, okay, doctor 608 00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:41.519 is this a test for the humans in this room? 609 00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:44.940 Because if you wanted Alaya to be safe, you could lock her in the 610 00:32:44.940 --> 00:32:47.220 TARDIS where no one could get at her and she would be fine. 611 00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:51.539 Like, you're locking her in this room in the church because you 612 00:32:51.539 --> 00:32:55.740 want her to be available to be killed conveniently. 613 00:32:55.799 --> 00:32:58.859 It's almost like the doctor is testing to see whether humanity is 614 00:32:58.859 --> 00:33:02.039 up to the job, and of course, humanity fails because it's a 615 00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:02.640 chymnal script. 616 00:33:02.700 --> 00:33:07.500 So I, yeah, that moment and the entire thing with Ambrose, which 617 00:33:07.500 --> 00:33:08.400 we'll get into next episode. 618 00:33:08.460 --> 00:33:11.039 It really bothers me. 619 00:33:11.099 --> 00:33:16.980 Uh, but, but I suppose it's, Season 5 is there's a lot of like 620 00:33:16.980 --> 00:33:18.660 let's give the doctor a big speech moment. 621 00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:21.779 And I guess this is his chance to have one in this episode. 622 00:33:37.019 --> 00:33:42.059 Look, as obvious as some of these little signposts are of where 623 00:33:42.059 --> 00:33:46.079 things are going to go, I actually, I actually really enjoy it, you 624 00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:50.519 know, for that fact, it does hearken back to classic Doctor Who, I 625 00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:52.079 think, in so many aspects in this episode. 626 00:33:52.140 --> 00:33:54.299 And I know that it's all set up, and I know that it's all going to 627 00:33:54.299 --> 00:33:59.160 fall apart in part 2 as inevitably, in virtually quite a few 628 00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:03.660 classic and knew whose stories it does. 629 00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:07.740 But I just, I just really love the whole setup, the music, what 630 00:34:07.740 --> 00:34:08.519 they do generally. 631 00:34:08.579 --> 00:34:11.039 I mean, it is quite funny that, you know, a layer can run really 632 00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:13.500 fast and capture small boys and everything, but the moment she's 633 00:34:13.500 --> 00:34:16.440 captured, then she sort of loses all of her superpowers, like in 634 00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:20.699 other episodes where people are sort of have that sort of 635 00:34:20.699 --> 00:34:21.300 ability. 636 00:34:21.539 --> 00:34:24.960 And I like the fact too, that they try and do things with the 637 00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:30.360 Silurians, like even the tongue poisoning thing, which, you know 638 00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:34.260 is a bit of a side point for Tony, but I think some of that must 639 00:34:34.260 --> 00:34:37.980 have been cut from the episode because it's sort of there and then 640 00:34:37.980 --> 00:34:39.300 it's not a bit and... 641 00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:44.280 Yeah, they give Matt a line saying it takes 24 hours to refill the 642 00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:45.000 venom sack. 643 00:34:45.059 --> 00:34:48.659 Which is why, which is why a layer is not a threat. 644 00:34:49.019 --> 00:34:53.760 But the, um, the tongue was, After Chipnall was told he wasn't 645 00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:57.059 allowed to have the 3rd eye, he's like, well, you know, in, in 646 00:34:57.059 --> 00:34:58.500 that case, they're just walking lizards. 647 00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:03.599 We need to give them something lizard like that gives them an edge 648 00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:07.559 over the humans and he came up with a chameleon-esque tongue that 649 00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:09.119 delivers a poison. 650 00:35:09.179 --> 00:35:13.079 But I mean, Tony Mac takes the Barbara Rice approach to being 651 00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:16.079 poisoned, which is just not to mention it. 652 00:35:16.139 --> 00:35:16.679 Yeah. 653 00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:17.219 Yeah. 654 00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:21.599 Because I was, I was watching F1 going, hold on, why doesn't the 655 00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:23.639 doctor just give him something for the hardest medical care? 656 00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:26.159 That's because he does, and I realised, oh, he never actually 657 00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:26.820 tells anyone. 658 00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:30.239 But doesn't the doctor also see it happen? 659 00:35:30.420 --> 00:35:32.639 is a bit of a problem there. 660 00:35:32.699 --> 00:35:37.199 But yeah, maybe he's like, oh, you know, if there was, if there 661 00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:39.780 was something green spreading under his skin, Tell me. 662 00:35:39.900 --> 00:35:41.940 I'm sure he'd bring it up. 663 00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:45.960 It does rely heavily on the idiot plot at moment. 664 00:35:46.019 --> 00:35:52.320 Yeah, um, where uh, Rory doesn't say, no, I'm not a policeman. 665 00:35:52.380 --> 00:35:53.699 This is just a bucks. 666 00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:57.239 It's, you know, he makes up some lie about like, oh, no, it's a 667 00:35:57.239 --> 00:35:57.780 it's a toy. 668 00:35:57.840 --> 00:35:58.980 Sorry, not actually the police. 669 00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:02.820 Tony doesn't say anything about the venom tunk. 670 00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:06.000 Like, people just aren't saying things that would actually 671 00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:09.900 expedite the plot because Gibnal needs the plot about a certain 672 00:36:09.900 --> 00:36:10.199 way. 673 00:36:10.260 --> 00:36:12.179 And so people are just sort of not saying stuff. 674 00:36:12.300 --> 00:36:14.579 And because it's a two-parter. 675 00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:16.980 And because he couldn't think of a more elegant way to handle 676 00:36:16.980 --> 00:36:17.460 these things. 677 00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:22.800 So one thing I really dislike about this is while Amy's being 678 00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:23.880 dragged underground. 679 00:36:24.059 --> 00:36:30.119 Um, there, you know, there's some quite good sort of very um 680 00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:33.360 stabbing strings, heavy music from Murray. 681 00:36:33.420 --> 00:36:35.099 But as the scene drags on. 682 00:36:35.099 --> 00:36:39.360 And, you know, she's very slowly being dragged onto the ground. 683 00:36:39.420 --> 00:36:42.719 It segues into the piano section from AB's theme. 684 00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:47.039 And then just the fact that you're left with Karen, just Karen 685 00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:51.480 Gillan's face with no hair or body or anything slowly sinking into 686 00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:52.260 the dust. 687 00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:54.840 It's it becomes hilarious. 688 00:36:54.900 --> 00:36:59.099 And it really shouldn't be a hilarious moment, but because you've 689 00:36:59.099 --> 00:37:01.980 got ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding 690 00:37:01.980 --> 00:37:04.199 ding, I'm like, for God's sake, really? 691 00:37:13.260 --> 00:37:17.159 I think just sort of modern production values and having a budget 692 00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:21.599 and things for the 1st time means that we can do things that we 693 00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:24.179 did in the pertu era in a really different way. 694 00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:29.639 And one of the things that's really striking is how great the big 695 00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:30.960 mining thing looks. 696 00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:35.760 You know, what the drill was like in Inferno and we all love 697 00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:41.820 Inferno to some degree, um, You know, it's a shiny room with a big 698 00:37:41.820 --> 00:37:44.219 sort of perspex thing in the middle of it. 699 00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:48.480 And so having this drill, which is actually largely a fairly cheap 700 00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:51.599 kind of graphic on a computer screen most of the time. 701 00:37:51.659 --> 00:37:56.880 But like the actual building and the computer screens and the 702 00:37:56.880 --> 00:38:01.199 giant tower and all of that looks great, we can now do the energy 703 00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:05.159 barrier from the demons with sort of modern special effects and 704 00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:05.820 that looks really good. 705 00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:07.619 The energy barrier is fantastic. 706 00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:08.699 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 707 00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:10.619 Like I'm sort of totally up for that. 708 00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:13.980 And going back and seeing what these things look like now in 709 00:38:13.980 --> 00:38:14.460 2010. 710 00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:16.199 What do you think of the blue green grass? 711 00:38:16.260 --> 00:38:19.320 Yeah, yeah, someone's worked very hard on that. 712 00:38:21.300 --> 00:38:24.599 I actually wonder if that's all done in grading. 713 00:38:25.260 --> 00:38:28.199 No, I think they're, I think they're props. 714 00:38:28.260 --> 00:38:30.480 I think some guys are, yeah, no, it's definitely thing. 715 00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:34.559 Because in Stargate, whenever they went to another planet, which 716 00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:37.500 was actually just the outer wilds of Vancouver, they would just 717 00:38:37.500 --> 00:38:39.539 digitally recolour the plants. 718 00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:41.940 Yeah, well that's how Battlestar Galactica worked. 719 00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:42.360 Yeah. 720 00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:47.820 I love it at the end, when nursery's in the TARDIS, and they get 721 00:38:47.820 --> 00:38:48.420 dragged down. 722 00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:50.639 Does that mean the Tartar just goes down like one of those little 723 00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:52.920 vent things, like that's, yeah, yeah. 724 00:38:52.980 --> 00:38:56.099 Well, I think we see on the screen the sort of earth moving sort 725 00:38:56.099 --> 00:38:57.599 of rapidly outside. 726 00:38:58.139 --> 00:39:00.659 You see anybody else around when that happens? 727 00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:03.900 doesn't land on anyone, which is kind of fortunate, I guess. 728 00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:05.760 Yes. 729 00:39:05.820 --> 00:39:08.579 But I love the fact that they go down and then they're exploring 730 00:39:08.579 --> 00:39:10.860 and I had all this anticipation of what they were going to find 731 00:39:10.860 --> 00:39:13.800 because I just thought it'd be like, you know, by Silurians 732 00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:16.800 there'd be a little lab and they'd have to go past some sort of 733 00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:17.760 roaring monster. 734 00:39:17.820 --> 00:39:18.719 A kazoo. 735 00:39:18.780 --> 00:39:23.400 But then, when they actually, that reveal at the end when she 736 00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:27.420 calls a doctor to come and look, I was completely blown away. 737 00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:29.940 I did not expect to see an entire civilisation. 738 00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:33.239 It just threw me for 6 at the time thinking, 0 my goodness, where 739 00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:33.900 is this going to go? 740 00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:37.139 This entire city civilisation is here. 741 00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:38.340 I swore. 742 00:39:38.579 --> 00:39:42.000 I went, oh, yes. 743 00:39:42.059 --> 00:39:43.380 Sugar nuts. 744 00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:44.340 I think it looks amazing. 745 00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:48.420 I do think it looks really something and it's sort of, you know 746 00:39:48.420 --> 00:39:52.440 stylishly done and the plants, all the tropical plants and stuff. 747 00:39:52.500 --> 00:39:56.519 There's a real kind of sweaty humidity to the kind of look of it 748 00:39:56.519 --> 00:39:58.980 and the way that it's lit and stuff like that. 749 00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:01.619 And I'm a big fan. 750 00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:03.480 I guess we're talking about the cliffhanger. 751 00:40:03.900 --> 00:40:08.579 I'm a big fan of the cliffhanger, which is not, we're in peril, but 752 00:40:08.579 --> 00:40:13.139 oh goodness me, this is a different situation than what we thought 753 00:40:13.139 --> 00:40:13.800 it was. 754 00:40:13.860 --> 00:40:19.500 Um, or, uh, he's an interesting new piece of information or or 755 00:40:19.500 --> 00:40:20.940 what on earth is going to happen next. 756 00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:23.639 I think that's a much more interesting approach to the 757 00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:24.300 cliffhanger. 758 00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:28.500 Yeah, I actually quite like that element of the cliffhanger 759 00:40:28.500 --> 00:40:32.219 although I have always wondered who brought the TARDIS down and 760 00:40:32.219 --> 00:40:35.880 why weren't they waiting for it at the bottom of the tunnel. 761 00:40:35.940 --> 00:40:39.420 They just sort of get dragged down and their left to wander around 762 00:40:39.420 --> 00:40:42.119 on their own for a bit so they can have a cliffhanger. 763 00:40:42.300 --> 00:40:42.780 But strange. 764 00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:49.980 Um, but it is, yeah, that that reveal of the, like, how, how 765 00:40:49.980 --> 00:40:56.639 substantial this, uh, this pod of, if you will, is, is really 766 00:40:56.639 --> 00:41:00.420 incredible, and it looks fantastic, especially, uh, because they 767 00:41:00.420 --> 00:41:02.280 they don't actually focus on it too long, which is nice. 768 00:41:02.340 --> 00:41:04.500 It's sort of a fairly quick shot, which is good. 769 00:41:04.619 --> 00:41:08.880 The other cliffhanger is dire, I think, the... 770 00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:10.380 Oh, something's coming towards Amy. 771 00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:13.199 Oh no, that feels very, yeah. 772 00:41:13.260 --> 00:41:14.760 A big needle, isn't it? 773 00:41:14.820 --> 00:41:16.920 Yeah, I don't like that at all. 774 00:41:16.980 --> 00:41:21.239 And we'll talk about it next week, obviously, but kind of the idea 775 00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:26.159 that Amy is now waiting to be kind of cut open while conscious. 776 00:41:26.219 --> 00:41:32.340 I actually think that that's too much for Doctor Who and for a 777 00:41:32.340 --> 00:41:33.300 companion in particular. 778 00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:36.960 And it's all right to do it to Mo, I guess, although Mo's lovely. 779 00:41:37.139 --> 00:41:41.400 But, like, I don't like that as a threat. 780 00:41:41.460 --> 00:41:44.519 And I just think the kind of horror of that. 781 00:41:44.579 --> 00:41:48.000 Like, I think it does horror quite well earlier, this episode, like 782 00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:51.059 the, like Elliot, in particular, in the dark, through the 783 00:41:51.059 --> 00:41:52.920 graveyard being chased by a layer. 784 00:41:52.980 --> 00:41:53.699 That's great. 785 00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:55.679 Well, that buildup to that is great. 786 00:41:55.739 --> 00:41:56.699 All that horror is great. 787 00:41:56.760 --> 00:41:59.159 But I don't, I think the Amy thing is too much. 788 00:41:59.219 --> 00:42:02.159 It's interesting that Eric's just said like, you know, with the 789 00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:06.300 cliffhanger, when you start to think about various plot points in 790 00:42:06.300 --> 00:42:09.300 this episode, it is very typical Chris Chipnell, where it doesn't 791 00:42:09.300 --> 00:42:11.099 really hang together when you start to think about things. 792 00:42:11.159 --> 00:42:13.739 I was going to give this a 9 out of 10. one of my favourite 793 00:42:13.739 --> 00:42:14.639 episodes of the season. 794 00:42:14.699 --> 00:42:16.920 Now that we're talking, I think I'm going to downgrade it to 795 00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:17.219 eight. 796 00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:20.579 That's our job to ruin Doctor Who for Todd. 797 00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:27.239 I've got some information about next week's episode that'll ruin 798 00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:28.679 this story for Todd further. 799 00:42:28.739 --> 00:42:31.019 So look forward to that. ruined next week's episode. 800 00:42:31.139 --> 00:42:32.219 It's already ruined. 801 00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:36.780 Oh, well, this is this is a deep cut, which will um, which will 802 00:42:36.780 --> 00:42:40.320 shake your hive council to its very foundations. 803 00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:42.900 Only I may impose order. 804 00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:45.420 So vaguely anticipate that, Brendan. 805 00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:14.280 Well, dear listener, that's all we have time for this week. 806 00:43:14.340 --> 00:43:18.659 We'll be back next week to resolve our differences and find an 807 00:43:18.659 --> 00:43:21.900 exciting new way for all of Earth's inhabitants to live together 808 00:43:21.900 --> 00:43:26.460 in peace and justice, or not, in cold blood. 809 00:43:26.699 --> 00:43:30.539 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts 810 00:43:30.539 --> 00:43:33.480 and you can keep up with us at Flightthrough Entirety on Facebook 811 00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:36.599 at FDE podcast on Twitter, and on our website 812 00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:39.719 FlightthroughEntirety.com, where you'll find links to our other 813 00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:42.840 podcasts, Bondfinger and Jody into Tara. 814 00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:46.079 Eric, where can people find you online? 815 00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:49.739 Sure, I have 2 Doctor Who podcasts. 816 00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:52.320 People might be interested to check out. 817 00:43:52.380 --> 00:43:55.860 One is called Doctor Who, the Writers Room, where my co-host, Kyle 818 00:43:55.860 --> 00:43:58.559 Anderson and I, talk about Doctor Who, from a writing 819 00:43:58.559 --> 00:43:59.159 perspective. 820 00:43:59.219 --> 00:44:02.820 We did all the classic series a few years ago and have recently 821 00:44:02.820 --> 00:44:06.360 started doing the modern 2005 series. 822 00:44:06.420 --> 00:44:09.239 So we'll be getting around to this two-parter in a few years. 823 00:44:09.300 --> 00:44:13.079 Um, it probably won't improve upon another few years of 824 00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:13.860 rewatching. 825 00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:19.800 I also have a podcast called The Real McCoy, which I co-host with 826 00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:24.360 my friend Adam Clegg, in which we talk about the Sylvester McCoy 827 00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:27.480 era of Doctor Who, including the novels and the audience. 828 00:44:27.539 --> 00:44:29.159 So, exciting stuff. 829 00:44:29.219 --> 00:44:34.980 And you can find me on Twitter at SJC Austinite, that's SJC A-U-S 830 00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:39.840 T-E-N-I-T-E. So until next time, remember to install a good UPS in 831 00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:42.900 your local church building so that your exciting installing 832 00:44:42.900 --> 00:44:46.619 security cameras montage doesn't go completely to waste. 833 00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:49.320 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 834 00:44:49.380 --> 00:44:50.579 See you soon. 835 00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:51.239 Good night. 836 00:44:51.300 --> 00:44:52.619 Ta-da. 837 00:44:55.679 --> 00:44:59.280 That was Flight through Entirety, starring Tom Bilby, Nathan 838 00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:01.380 Bottomley, Brendan Jones, and Eric Stadnick. 839 00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:03.360 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb. 840 00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:07.019 This episode, Don't Kill the Lizard Lady, was recorded on the 21st 841 00:45:07.019 --> 00:45:09.719 of February 2021 and released on the 2nd of May. 842 00:45:15.780 --> 00:45:18.300 Our lawyers here at FDE have asked me to state that the prediction 843 00:45:18.300 --> 00:45:21.300 that you're about to hear me making does not in any way constitute 844 00:45:21.300 --> 00:45:23.940 an admission of guilt, and that I am not claiming responsibility 845 00:45:23.940 --> 00:45:27.119 for any harm that may have befallen any individual referred to 846 00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:27.599 hereafter. 847 00:45:33.659 --> 00:45:35.940 I can't believe we haven't been recording. 848 00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:36.840 That was all gold. 849 00:45:36.900 --> 00:45:38.400 Yeah, well, you'll never hear it. 850 00:45:38.460 --> 00:45:40.860 Well, I mean, Prince Philip, it's Sue us. 851 00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:42.360 Well, yeah, as usual. 852 00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:45.119 It's from beyond the ground. 853 00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:46.920 From being with, probably. out. 854 00:45:46.980 --> 00:45:48.960 No, but this doesn't go out until kind of. 855 00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:50.579 What do you mean, no, he died? 856 00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:53.340 No, no, he's still alive, but he will be dead by the time. 857 00:45:57.059 --> 00:46:00.239 So Richard can finally tell a story about the wetsuit. 858 00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:02.039 Yeah, that's right. 859 00:46:02.099 --> 00:46:02.579 That's right. 860 00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:07.800 So, um, So I think this is sort of, this seems to be working okay 861 00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:10.440 although we are sort of quiet and Eric sort of flipping. 862 00:46:10.500 --> 00:46:11.159 Is that? 863 00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:11.880 Oh, that was good. 864 00:46:11.940 --> 00:46:12.840 Well, that was a big laugh. 865 00:46:12.900 --> 00:46:13.380 Yeah. 866 00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:15.960 And what happens? 867 00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:17.340 I try to move away when I laugh. 868 00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:23.280 So I think that what happens...