WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 14:57:32 1 00:00:36.899 --> 00:00:40.740 Hello, dear listener and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety. 2 00:00:40.799 --> 00:00:47.640 The only Doctor Who podcast that has this nagging feeling that we might have forgotten to turn something off upstairs. 3 00:00:48.420 --> 00:00:50.219 I'm Nathan. 4 00:00:50.280 --> 00:00:51.119 I'm Todd. 5 00:00:51.179 --> 00:00:51.899 I'm Brendan. 6 00:00:51.960 --> 00:00:53.100 And I'm Eric. 7 00:00:53.159 --> 00:01:04.319 Well, over the years, the Silurians have been exploded twice and poisoned with hexachromite gas once, so we have good reason to be a little anxious about how things are going to turn out today. 8 00:01:04.379 --> 00:01:10.200 Still, Marvin the Paranoid Android seems nice and the decor here is comforting and familiar. 9 00:01:10.260 --> 00:01:15.299 So let's find out how the negotiations pan out in cold blood. 10 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:33.719 Can I say something about the decor? 11 00:01:33.780 --> 00:01:36.840 It's that thing I hinted at last week that will make Todd ever so happy? 12 00:01:36.900 --> 00:01:38.159 Oh, what's that? 13 00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:44.640 Um, so part of this was filmed at the same botanical gardens that the end of the doctor's daughter takes place in. 14 00:01:44.700 --> 00:01:46.980 I'm estatic about that. 15 00:01:48.180 --> 00:01:52.200 Oh, another point deducted from this episode. 16 00:01:52.260 --> 00:01:57.120 And much like this episode, I just paid off the cliffhanger I set up last week with a voiceover. 17 00:01:57.659 --> 00:02:05.459 So we start this episode with a picture of the earth and it's a voiceover from a 1000 years in the future. 18 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:07.079 Do we know that at this point? 19 00:02:07.140 --> 00:02:14.879 The monologue does mention that this is the story of a day a 1000 years past where we started sharing the planet with humanity? 20 00:02:14.939 --> 00:02:16.319 So it cheats? 21 00:02:16.439 --> 00:02:17.219 It cheats. 22 00:02:17.280 --> 00:02:18.840 Imagine that. 23 00:02:18.900 --> 00:02:20.759 Moffat era story cheating. 24 00:02:20.819 --> 00:02:21.539 I know. 25 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:23.039 It's extraordinary. 1st few seconds. 26 00:02:23.099 --> 00:02:45.360 So the other cliffhanger resolution, which is, of course, Amy is about to be vivisected, is resolved in a classic, say, with era, way by, um, it's not someone coming in saying, no, stop, but it is basically a, uh, PA announcement, uh, telling Malik that he has to stop. 27 00:02:45.419 --> 00:02:46.680 And so he leaves. 28 00:02:46.740 --> 00:02:51.599 Yeah, the motion detector's gone off and the lights on the front porch have come on. 29 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:54.479 And these kids need to get out of our front yard. 30 00:02:54.539 --> 00:02:58.919 No, I mean, he's got to, he's got some more people to vivisect, I guess. 31 00:02:58.979 --> 00:03:00.539 Yeah, and D-Louse. 32 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:00.780 Yeah. 33 00:03:00.780 --> 00:03:01.800 He's got to delouse them. 34 00:03:01.860 --> 00:03:03.900 But doesn't she manage to pick his pocket? 35 00:03:03.960 --> 00:03:06.000 Oh, dear, oh dear. 36 00:03:06.060 --> 00:03:07.680 It really, you know, honestly. 37 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:09.539 Yeah. 38 00:03:09.599 --> 00:03:16.560 She is somehow completely restrained in such a way that she can't even move her hands and yet she picks his pocket. 39 00:03:16.620 --> 00:03:19.979 It is, I feel frustrating. 40 00:03:20.039 --> 00:03:21.180 It's so frustrating. 41 00:03:22.500 --> 00:03:35.159 And and given how in the 11th hour, um, while dressed as a kissogram, she's known to Khali from the dominators and steals his car keys to lock. 42 00:03:35.219 --> 00:03:36.659 Yeah, that's Cully from the Dominators. 43 00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:36.960 Yeah. 44 00:03:37.020 --> 00:03:42.659 It's it's set up that she nicks stuff from people that she's kissogram for me. 45 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:46.919 I mean, you know, I suppose kidsogram can't pay terribly well. 46 00:03:46.979 --> 00:03:50.699 No, she'd have to steal the occasional car, I think, to make ends meet. 47 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:53.460 I'm just smiling at those comments. 48 00:03:53.639 --> 00:04:06.240 So, I mean, there is a weird thing about the characterisation of Malakare now because he has been vivisecting people, including attractive father of one Mo Northover. 49 00:04:06.300 --> 00:04:08.219 Yeah, but he's fine. 50 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:09.719 He's fine. 51 00:04:09.780 --> 00:04:11.099 But now he's lovely. 52 00:04:11.159 --> 00:04:12.060 Now we love him. 53 00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:14.460 Hasn't he been doing it for a very long time? 54 00:04:14.520 --> 00:04:17.519 Yes, he's been vivisecting people for a very long time. 55 00:04:17.579 --> 00:04:26.639 And this is part of, um, again, the cut scenes from this story, and there's a line later on where he says, no, no, I never do that to the young ones. 56 00:04:26.699 --> 00:04:27.240 Yes. 57 00:04:27.240 --> 00:04:34.379 But he says, I've taken some of them and I've taken their genetic code and extrapolated and they live for ages and you're like, you don't see any other humans running around. 58 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:48.600 But no, there's a cut bit. where um, Amy and Mo discover that he's got basically his own private petting zoo, if you like, you, including Tony's dog from when Mo was a kid and the dog ran away. 59 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:49.500 Wow. 60 00:04:49.500 --> 00:04:52.139 But the dog is down here and it's fine. 61 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:58.379 It's been living there for 30 years because Malakare has been extending all these animals lives. 62 00:04:58.439 --> 00:05:06.899 So when he's talking about the young ones, he's not making a distinction between humans and, um, other animals because to the solarians, we are pets. 63 00:05:06.899 --> 00:05:08.160 Or mammals. 64 00:05:08.279 --> 00:05:09.180 Or mammals, yes. 65 00:05:09.540 --> 00:05:14.279 That does not increase my enjoyment at all. 66 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:17.759 There's a Silurian petting zoo. 67 00:05:17.819 --> 00:05:19.319 I would have loved to see that. 68 00:05:19.379 --> 00:05:26.519 Yeah, it's one of those moments where they need this Allurians, all of them, to be a horrible threat in episode one. 69 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:29.100 And so they're all horrible threat in episode one. 70 00:05:29.100 --> 00:05:34.199 In episode two, he needs some of them to be good guys and some of them to be bad guys. 71 00:05:34.259 --> 00:05:46.199 And so suddenly, Malachi, the scientist, who is essentially a Megala type figure in part one, becomes, oh, friendly old scientist dude, that the doctor thinks is wonderful and wants to have a makeout session with. 72 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:48.600 It is horribly done. 73 00:05:49.079 --> 00:05:58.079 The other problem I have is the fact that all the mouse celery insane to be quite reasonable people, but all the female salarians who seem to be worries, just want to destroy everybody. 74 00:05:58.139 --> 00:06:02.160 And I don't, I mean, whether it's casting or whatever, I just find that a problem. 75 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:08.160 Well, in fact, it becomes more of a problem when you realise it's the single female. 76 00:06:08.220 --> 00:06:15.240 Well, Nasrene accepted, but the only other female human character is also a problem. 77 00:06:15.300 --> 00:06:26.519 So in a sense, this is a peace negotiation that is derailed by the fact that women are unable to control their emotions. 78 00:06:27.720 --> 00:06:33.600 In the scripting stage, it was sort of a couch 22, because originally Restac was Alaya's brother. 79 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:34.860 Ah. 80 00:06:34.860 --> 00:06:48.180 And the reason they, um, they decided not to do that was, 1st of all, they didn't want a layer to be, A, the token woman, Solurian, and also B, the dead woman, Silurian. 81 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:48.660 Yeah. 82 00:06:48.660 --> 00:06:53.819 And then they struck on the idea of, okay, well, what if the women are the Warriors? 83 00:06:53.879 --> 00:07:00.480 And, you know, we're getting a bit of Edgar Rice Burrows there and Amazon's kind of kind of vibe. 84 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:15.180 Oh, and what if it's the same woman and they're part of the gene pool and yeah, okay, we save on an actress, but also we introduce the idea that these people have advanced genetic technology, which again would have been paid off with the petting zoo. 85 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:15.779 Yeah. 86 00:07:15.779 --> 00:07:19.680 But yeah, it does then create its own problem. 87 00:07:19.740 --> 00:07:36.120 And that's something the Moffat era does quite a bit in that they sort of go down a route of saying, well, hey, let's do something progressive and let's have women aliens as well as men aliens because we rarely sell them in the classic series, but then not think about the roles they're giving them. 88 00:07:36.180 --> 00:07:46.740 And yes, Todd, absolutely, making all the women aggressors, including the, um, just the soldiers wearing the masks, there's no male shapes. 89 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:48.720 There's no, there's no men's soldiers. 90 00:07:48.779 --> 00:07:57.959 So the 2 male solurians we meet, you know, the scientist and the wise elder who's like, well, if you kill those humans, you're going to have to kill me and 0 god, I'm very depressed. 91 00:07:59.100 --> 00:08:05.699 But yeah, it does then create that unfortunate situation, especially when you have Ambrose as well. 92 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:09.060 It's sort of men reliable women unreliable. 93 00:08:09.120 --> 00:08:14.279 And I think it's unintentional, but it comes from a place of not thinking about it enough. 94 00:08:14.339 --> 00:08:16.259 Yeah, no, I agree with you. 95 00:08:16.319 --> 00:08:18.360 I don't think it was their intentions to do that. 96 00:08:18.420 --> 00:08:24.240 But by the choices they've made, they've gone down a certain path and that's the that's the outcome at the end of the day. 97 00:08:24.300 --> 00:08:32.580 I mean, the whole Ambrose pot I just find so painful and annoying throughout the whole thing and I just couldn't care less for her. 98 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:36.299 I even don't think the, I don't even feel that a layer's death is even earned. 99 00:08:36.360 --> 00:08:38.460 Like I just don't think there's enough. 100 00:08:38.580 --> 00:08:41.340 I't know, I just wanted to build it up more to that point even. 101 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:43.080 It's just there because we need it to be there. 102 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:43.919 Yeah. 103 00:08:43.980 --> 00:08:44.940 Yeah. 104 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:52.740 And it's not, I think I want, just to add the sort of little bit of complexity to the women are irrational and can't handle emotion thing. 105 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:54.539 It specifically about family. 106 00:08:54.659 --> 00:09:05.340 It's that these females, uh, Ambrose and rest tack can't handle that their family members are in danger. 107 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:13.320 And it's so it's very much this idea of the sort of mother, mother bear, you know, protecting the cuff. 108 00:09:13.379 --> 00:09:17.279 It's so trite and predictable. 109 00:09:17.340 --> 00:09:20.700 It's Kipling, the female of the species more deadly than male. 110 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:23.580 So, um, I think you're right. 111 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:39.960 I think they were trying to sort of do something progressive and it's not sort of painting them into a very tropic sort of corner, but it is, it's still, it's still problematic and, um, Yeah, I generally kind of wish the entire Ambrose thing had been cut almost. 112 00:09:40.019 --> 00:09:46.379 I find her presence and her role throughout this entire 2nd episode to be so awful. 113 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:48.720 She's so horrendous as a human being. 114 00:09:48.779 --> 00:09:53.100 Uh, I could, especially compared with everyone else that she's around. 115 00:09:53.159 --> 00:09:53.580 It's bad. 116 00:09:54.299 --> 00:09:58.440 It's also, you know, the fact that she doesn't learn her lesson. 117 00:09:58.500 --> 00:10:05.340 Like she kills someone and like Tony has that sort of, you know, my little girl, what have you done? 118 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:08.460 And she sort of faced with the consequences of it. 119 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:15.360 She knows that she's going to have to take the dead body down and kind of confront the Silurians. 120 00:10:15.419 --> 00:10:19.500 No one else is prepared to sort of whitewash it or lie on her behalf. 121 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:22.559 But she doesn't learn a lesson. 122 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:29.820 And she then goes to set the drill up to actually like kind of kill everyone. 123 00:10:29.879 --> 00:10:31.559 Better and better. 124 00:10:31.620 --> 00:10:32.940 It's crazy. 125 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:37.080 Elliot's going to be in therapy for years and they're not going to like her much when he gets old. 126 00:10:37.139 --> 00:10:37.799 No. 127 00:10:37.860 --> 00:10:56.879 But the thing the thing is, I do think then when when Elliot finds out what she's done and walks away from her, and it is an underplayed moment, you know, I think in the hands of a less capable director, that would have been the moment where Ambrose snaps and tries to grab one of the Solurians gun and then she shot. 128 00:10:56.940 --> 00:11:06.779 And not to insult anyone, but I think if the story had been made in the 80s, that probably would have happened and it would have been the episode 3 cliffhanger, so you don't have to pay her for episode four. 129 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:24.240 But I, but the thing is, I also think that that moment with her and the doctor standing in the church doorway at the end and the thing is, her, her punishment is not a big speech for the doctor. 130 00:11:24.299 --> 00:11:26.279 The doctor does say to her, you've ruined this. 131 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:37.740 You know, it's your actions that have ruined this, but at the end, her punishment is actually just the doctor saying to her very quietly, well, your son's going to have to be better than you because you screwed it up. 132 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:39.960 There's no coming back from the fact that you're a murderer. 133 00:11:40.019 --> 00:11:46.620 It's kind of like, Killing her character as as a punishment for that. 134 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:51.419 And I know no one's suggesting that, but I feel like your 2 options are, she survives, or you kill her. 135 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:53.039 And if you kill her character. 136 00:11:53.340 --> 00:11:58.860 You know, the doctor says an eye for an eye with the implication that that's a terrible idea. 137 00:11:58.919 --> 00:12:03.360 So instead, her punishment is that she has to live with what she's done. 138 00:12:04.019 --> 00:12:11.279 But there is that glimmer of hope that that is going to make her pass on the lesson that it's not worth it. 139 00:12:11.340 --> 00:12:14.039 Do you know, I hate that scene. 140 00:12:14.100 --> 00:12:21.299 And the reason that I hate that scene. is that the doctor lets her off so lightly. 141 00:12:21.419 --> 00:12:28.019 And the 2 of them smile at one another as the scene ants. 142 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:29.700 The doctor isn't menacing. 143 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:34.860 He's not even, he's trying to be nice thing that he was doing last episode. 144 00:12:34.919 --> 00:12:39.779 He absolutely just kind of lets her get away with it. 145 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:41.220 Oh, it's understandable. 146 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:45.840 We've all had maternal instincts that have led us to murder someone from time to time. 147 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:48.600 And that's, you know, that's regrettable. 148 00:12:48.659 --> 00:12:53.700 But I just think she's, you know, kind of let off far, far too lightly. 149 00:12:54.000 --> 00:13:03.299 Especially considering as, as, as you were saying that she, she murders one and it's like she gets a taste for it, so she escalates straight to genocide. 150 00:13:03.419 --> 00:13:07.259 She sets the drill to destroy their entire civilisation. 151 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:10.559 And and the doctor does nothing. 152 00:13:10.620 --> 00:13:12.899 She does not repent during the story. 153 00:13:12.960 --> 00:13:26.700 We see her feel a little bad, I suppose, but she does not have a moral enlightening, for all we know, she's going to continue in this same path, because all the rewards she has received have been positive. 154 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:27.539 She has not been punished. 155 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:35.639 She has been, all the reinforcement has been, you got your son back, you got Mo back, the alien lizard people went back to sleep. 156 00:13:35.700 --> 00:13:37.980 You didn't have to sacrifice anything. 157 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:38.639 Woohoo. 158 00:13:38.700 --> 00:13:39.960 Kill more people. 159 00:13:40.019 --> 00:13:41.159 Maybe you'll get more cool stuff. 160 00:13:41.220 --> 00:13:43.559 It was, I find it... 161 00:13:43.620 --> 00:13:45.720 Yeah, except your father. 162 00:13:45.779 --> 00:13:46.799 But he was old anyway. 163 00:13:46.860 --> 00:13:53.820 And I find that moment and her resolution really troubling from a moral perspective. 164 00:13:53.879 --> 00:13:58.919 And it, but I think that's something that's consistent with uh, chibnal stories. 165 00:13:58.980 --> 00:14:13.320 He is willing to have the doctor, quote unquote, punish aliens or have aliens have repercussions, but when humans have actual moral failings, he seems very inclined to just sort of say, well, what you going to do? 166 00:14:13.379 --> 00:14:17.820 Humans are flawed creatures and try not to be quite so flawed. 167 00:14:17.940 --> 00:14:20.759 And it's more than that, isn't it? 168 00:14:20.820 --> 00:14:26.340 Because it's her attitude, her attitude and rest tax attitude. 169 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:37.320 It's the most belligerent and unreasonable people who are accommodated in the final decision. 170 00:14:37.379 --> 00:14:44.279 And so we have a situation here where 2 groups of people have equal claim to the land. 171 00:14:44.399 --> 00:14:47.279 They're trying to work out. 172 00:14:47.340 --> 00:14:48.360 There's this speech. 173 00:14:48.419 --> 00:15:03.539 The doctor gives this speech where he tells Eldane and Nazarene and Amy to be bold and be imaginative and think about the future, and Murray puts the 11th doctor, sort of hero music over that. 174 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:04.679 It's a great moment. 175 00:15:04.740 --> 00:15:12.000 And what happens, we better not do anything for a 1000 years because it will upset all of the racists in this story. 176 00:15:12.059 --> 00:15:21.480 And it's just that tedious centrism of chibnal that just infuriates me, just makes me infuriated. 177 00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:25.559 And and like maybe Doctor Who doesn't want to do. 178 00:15:25.620 --> 00:15:27.179 You mentioned this last week, Eric. 179 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:38.159 Maybe Doctor Who doesn't want to have a world where there are Silurians living in you know, deserts or whatever, uh, in settlements in the future. 180 00:15:38.220 --> 00:15:51.179 But then you're just setting the story up to be a failure where nothing happens and nothing happens in a much, much less interesting way. than the way in which nothing happened in 1970. 181 00:15:51.539 --> 00:16:16.620 Yeah, I do think, I do think, uh, since we had a discussion, uh, uh, on last week's episode, I did think about the fact that Moffat would revisit this idea of integrating an alien race into human society with Zigons and actually do something with it, do something, both actually have it happen, have them negotiate a peace treaty, and then follow up and see how that's doing a few years later. 182 00:16:16.679 --> 00:16:23.580 Um, in a way that here, yeah, it's exactly this sort of, well, in a 1000 years from now, we're, we're all going to be better. 183 00:16:23.820 --> 00:16:25.320 Sure. 184 00:16:25.379 --> 00:16:26.639 Okay, if you say so. 185 00:16:27.960 --> 00:16:31.559 It's like going 0 carbon by 2050. 186 00:16:31.799 --> 00:16:34.139 You know, it won't cost us anything because we'll be dead. 187 00:16:47.700 --> 00:17:06.299 The thing is, I find with that, it's kind of a quiet indictment of humanity, because as much as we've got that voiceover at the beginning hinting at what is going to happen or not happen in this episode, Nazarene at the very beginning of negotiation says, we can't even feed everyone who's on the planet. 188 00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:11.579 And it's like, well, actually, mathematically, you can, but also mathematically capitalism. 189 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:21.240 Um, So, you know, it's kind of set up from the beginning that the failure of this is going to be down to selfishness. 190 00:17:21.420 --> 00:17:34.980 Um, and also, you know, the the other thing is, you know, I agree that accommodating the violent threat is wrong, but also you're accommodating a violent threat, who do have heat rays that can just totally kill you in a 2nd. 191 00:17:35.039 --> 00:17:41.339 And so The thing is, then the doctor takes the reins back, which I think is kind of weird. 192 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:48.180 I think you could have had Nazarene stay in charge with that and Nasrene and Eldane go, neither of our species are ready. 193 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:51.779 And the thing is, Eldane is just representing one city. 194 00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:54.059 Nazreen is just representing one community. 195 00:17:54.119 --> 00:17:59.099 So it's flawed anyway, but at least that way it's the representatives of the 2 species talking about it. 196 00:17:59.279 --> 00:18:04.079 The other problem I have with that negotiation scene is Amy's proposed solution. 197 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:08.220 Taking land off indigenous people and giving it to Silurian. 198 00:18:08.279 --> 00:18:09.119 Yeah pretty much. 199 00:18:09.240 --> 00:18:17.759 It's like, even in 2010, it's like, they can use the Australian outback and I just went, ooh, and I was living in London and my housemate's like, what? 200 00:18:17.819 --> 00:18:18.059 What? 201 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:18.539 am I? 202 00:18:18.539 --> 00:18:22.140 and, um, Do you know that people live in the Australian app? 203 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:23.099 No. 204 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:24.779 I'm like, well, they do. 205 00:18:24.839 --> 00:18:34.799 And then this time when I watch it, I think because I was so shocked with that, it never occurred to me that they also mentioned the Sahara Desert, which has like 2000000 people in it who are nomadic tribes. 206 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:38.160 Yes, I think some people might own Nirvada as well. 207 00:18:38.220 --> 00:18:44.519 Like, uh, it's, uh, you know, it, it is a child's storybook solution. 208 00:18:44.759 --> 00:18:51.299 And if Amy had suggested that, but then Nasreen turned around and said, you do know there's people living there. 209 00:18:51.299 --> 00:18:57.000 And Eldane could say, well, we can negotiate directly with them, but this is an idea and a start. 210 00:18:57.059 --> 00:18:59.819 That's something, but it's just lazy. 211 00:18:59.880 --> 00:19:10.859 Oh, but, but the thing is, right, that the, the Silurians are all about questions of colonialism and settler societies and and, and all of that. 212 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:14.039 Who has who has a proper sort of claim to the land? 213 00:19:14.099 --> 00:19:17.279 And what does the doctor tell the Silurians? 214 00:19:17.339 --> 00:19:21.660 You don't have a claim now because these people have come along later? 215 00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:24.779 Things have changed and these people are here now. 216 00:19:24.839 --> 00:19:32.579 And then that, the sort of tone deaf failure, to even take indigenous peoples into account in the solution? 217 00:19:32.700 --> 00:19:34.140 I just think it's bad. 218 00:19:34.680 --> 00:19:44.220 I think it's, I think it's, I, you know, I think I said last week that the sort of, uh, the 1970s salarian story ends up sort of raising a problem. 219 00:19:44.279 --> 00:19:46.799 It is in not any way capable of addressing. 220 00:19:46.859 --> 00:19:48.539 And the same thing happens here. 221 00:19:48.599 --> 00:20:03.119 It's like the Silurians are, would be, were they to be real, would be a massive, huge earth shattering sort of problem to try to confront that would bring out probably both the best and worst of both kinds of species. 222 00:20:03.180 --> 00:20:11.700 And they're trying to do something with 3 people around a table, negotiating on behalf of 2 completely separate, you know, species. 223 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:14.339 It's like, this is not how this would happen. 224 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:38.279 It's never going to work this way, and you're going to get a very limited basic sort of simplistic view of what this would actually look like to do it this way, which means that things like considering indigenous peoples, the fact that there is not a spokesman for the human race, there are 150, whatever it is, nations on earth, plus all the sort of indigenous tribes that are semi-autonomous, or fully autonomous. 225 00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:38.940 Like, this is not. 226 00:20:39.059 --> 00:20:48.299 This is not how any of this works, and it's tremendously frustrating, especially because you know it's not going to result in the end. 227 00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:53.039 You know, you know the entire time as a viewer that Aleia is dead. 228 00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:56.519 It's like, well, Okay. 229 00:20:56.579 --> 00:20:58.079 This is all pointless. 230 00:20:58.200 --> 00:20:59.519 Why are we watching this again? 231 00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:01.079 Exactly. 232 00:21:01.140 --> 00:21:04.200 I just I just don't buy the whole negotiation thing right from the start. 233 00:21:04.259 --> 00:21:16.619 Now, for all the reasons that you have pointed out, which I didn't necessarily think about at the time, but just having like these 2 women and a solurian in the room that can just really just resolve all of this? 234 00:21:16.680 --> 00:21:18.420 Like, I mean, I just don't buy it. 235 00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:19.500 I just don't buy it. 236 00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:24.599 You know, I get the impression that whatever they come up with, it's not legally binding. 237 00:21:24.660 --> 00:21:28.380 It's like, okay, you know, we'll we'll take this to God. 238 00:21:28.440 --> 00:21:31.500 Oh, God, it's 20, it's 2020. 239 00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:33.299 We'll take this to Boris Johnson. 240 00:21:34.380 --> 00:21:36.539 And Donald Trump. 241 00:21:36.599 --> 00:21:38.519 Oh my god. 242 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:40.500 And hold on. 243 00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:42.720 Yes, no, it was Scott Morrison in 2020. 244 00:21:42.839 --> 00:21:44.460 It gets hard to keep track of over here. 245 00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:49.920 Um, The thing is, the, the whole thing with, you know, we know Alaya's dead. 246 00:21:49.980 --> 00:21:50.940 I think I mentioned this last week. 247 00:21:51.000 --> 00:22:06.539 I actually quite, I think the dramatic irony of that, that we as the viewer know something that the doctor doesn't, is very well played, and we do have that awful moment you alluded to last week, Nathan, where someone comes in and shouts, stop, so no one gets executed. 248 00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:10.019 But I think Matt Smith on the screen afterwards is hilarious. 249 00:22:10.079 --> 00:22:11.579 Todd is waving frantically. 250 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:12.779 Yes, yes. 251 00:22:12.839 --> 00:22:16.799 Like, Eldane walks in and says, stop Amy's execution. 252 00:22:16.859 --> 00:22:17.880 We've never seen him before. 253 00:22:17.940 --> 00:22:24.059 It's just this miracle to get out the device of the pot because we've woken him up because we need it. 254 00:22:24.119 --> 00:22:26.519 Yeah, no, absolute say word era sort of stuff. 255 00:22:26.579 --> 00:22:28.200 I'm hating this more. 256 00:22:28.259 --> 00:22:29.579 My marks are going down. 257 00:22:29.640 --> 00:22:40.920 But, you know, when even when Restac calls them up on what was meant to be a broken down all in one iMac, like from when they relaunch, that was was what was suggested in the script. 258 00:22:40.980 --> 00:22:48.180 Um, when Restat calls them, they all, before they go, go on the call, they're like, we don't tell her what's happened. 259 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:54.119 We don't, and then the doctor comes on and says, and bring a layer with you, and everyone's just like, Oh, dear. 260 00:23:03.180 --> 00:23:09.000 I think I can possibly get behind it just because I, um, I feel all the actors in this are very good. 261 00:23:09.059 --> 00:23:14.880 And I think even Ambrose, whom, you know, you don't like for what she's done. 262 00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:18.660 The actress does a great job of performing a role you don't like. 263 00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:19.559 Yeah sure. 264 00:23:19.619 --> 00:23:34.920 And something I'm finding as I go through this season is I am liking Amy a lot more than I did in 2010 and then I think in 2014, 2015 is when I did the great journey of life and watched everything through and I really didn't like Amy. 265 00:23:34.980 --> 00:23:36.779 I like Karen Gill and in other things. 266 00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:41.579 Um, That's how I know she's a good actress because I like her and I don't like the character. 267 00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:44.700 But I'm actually really liking her here. 268 00:23:44.759 --> 00:23:48.960 What I didn't like was I felt there was a lack of vulnerability. 269 00:23:49.019 --> 00:23:55.859 But we get that here because yeah, she's she's about to be vivisected and whatnot, but she does not stop talking. 270 00:23:55.859 --> 00:24:05.400 And she's doing the sort of Wendy Padring Katie Manning thing of being brave and scared at the same time. you know, which is which is essential. 271 00:24:05.460 --> 00:24:13.500 And the other thing I kind of like is when she and Mo find Elliot and Mo says, we're going to go get some weapons. 272 00:24:13.619 --> 00:24:19.740 It's kind of like, you know, if that was Donna or Rose or Martha, they would go, oh, no, no weapons, we don't do weapons. 273 00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:21.119 The doctor says we don't do weapons. 274 00:24:21.180 --> 00:24:24.059 Whereas Amy is more like, um, yeah, okay. 275 00:24:24.119 --> 00:24:31.140 I think she visibly kind of just in her facial expression expresses reservations about that. 276 00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:37.019 Yes, but it looks like she just doesn't want to kind of contradict him, which kind of fair enough. 277 00:24:37.019 --> 00:24:37.920 It's his kid. 278 00:24:37.980 --> 00:24:40.619 Yeah, and she does then take one. 279 00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:45.240 But when she's given the chance to fire it, the whole character point is that she's not going to shoot someone in the face. 280 00:24:45.900 --> 00:24:59.400 It's interesting that you've brought up Amy and Karen because I've mentioned it a number of times already that I did not like her performances, Amy, and I did not like Amy throughout this entire season. 281 00:24:59.460 --> 00:25:02.579 And I'm really liking her performance so much more. 282 00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:10.259 And and I'm liking Amy a lot more, um, except in Vampires of Venice, where I think there's a lot of disservice to that character. 283 00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:13.619 But I've mentioned that already a few weeks ago. 284 00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:19.619 But yeah, here again, I actually am liking Karen and what she's actually bringing to the role. 285 00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:21.359 I think she's good. 286 00:25:21.420 --> 00:25:24.480 I'm a big fan and kind of always have been. 287 00:25:24.539 --> 00:25:26.339 I love this TARDIS team. 288 00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:35.099 I've said it before this year that the 3 of them, 3 sort of reasonably attractive young people who all have really sort of good chemistry and like one another. 289 00:25:35.220 --> 00:25:36.299 Lovely hair. 290 00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:37.200 Lovely hair. 291 00:25:37.259 --> 00:25:41.220 It's a version of the Tartis crew that I actually really like a great deal. 292 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:43.740 And I think Arthur does a really good job. 293 00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:52.980 I mean, although he's not as prominent as last week, even in all those sequences up on the surface, having to deal with the ramifications, I think he's actually really, really good in all of those. 294 00:25:53.039 --> 00:26:07.500 Yeah, I actually quite like this grouping as well, and I think they all, yeah, as we said, Rory gets more to do in Hungary or certainly, but he's still, he's still around and sort of trying, it's interesting. 295 00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:12.720 Both Rory and Amy are sort of trying and failing to be the doctor in some way. 296 00:26:12.779 --> 00:26:28.019 Like Rory is trying to sort of keep people from shooting each other and murdering the innocent, not the innocent, murdering the captured combatant, and Amy is trying and failing to keep people from resorting to guns when they're running around an alien base. 297 00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:58.559 Um, it is interesting to see that both of them, while they kind of think they can handle things maybe a little bit more than they actually can, the story makes it very clear that actually, That they are also flawed, um, and, you know, Mo saying they have my son is enough for Amy to brush aside her concerns about weapons and Rory clearly also has enough understanding of where Ambrose is coming from, but he he does not do anything to punish her. 298 00:26:58.619 --> 00:27:04.559 Like, he does not like, okay, you get tied up and changed now and we hand you over to the Salurians as an exchange. 299 00:27:04.619 --> 00:27:07.799 Like, which is something that I would have proposed. 300 00:27:07.859 --> 00:27:10.740 I'd have been like, okay, you, she murdered your one of you. 301 00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:11.339 You take her now. 302 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:12.000 She's yours. 303 00:27:12.059 --> 00:27:12.299 Here. 304 00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:30.420 See, something I said months ago on the beast below is I don't like the doctor in the moment where he screams at Amy for not telling him about the star whale and blah, blah, and I thought like that was a bad choice. 305 00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:37.920 So here, when people fail him, he makes it clear that he's not happy with them, but he also makes it clear that. 306 00:27:38.099 --> 00:27:47.279 They're human and well, he may not approve of what they do, especially with, say, Ambrose, um, that, He. 307 00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:52.380 He understands why what happened happened kind of thing. 308 00:27:52.500 --> 00:28:07.500 And I also think that feeds into the inevitability of this story, because again, there were scenes cut from this episode, and one scene, and you may have seen a picture of this floating around. 309 00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:08.940 It has been floating around for a few years. 310 00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:16.799 I think it was even released officially by the BBC's publicity before they realised they'd cut this scene out, where Rory brings a layer, a tray of food. 311 00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:17.880 Oh, okay. 312 00:28:17.940 --> 00:28:22.859 And it's like a bowl of cereal and a banana and juice and milk and Ape food. 313 00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:23.940 Ape food, yeah. 314 00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:26.220 And she's like, she's basically, I don't want egg food. 315 00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:27.059 Why would I want to eat food? 316 00:28:27.180 --> 00:28:28.980 And they have a discussion about faith. 317 00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:30.119 Wow. 318 00:28:30.180 --> 00:28:37.019 And she's basically, oh, like, yeah, kind of like the vest perform, you primitive apes with your tribal sky gods. 319 00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:37.859 We been observing you. 320 00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:40.440 We've been looking at your communications and we see that. 321 00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:44.640 And but Rory, Rory doesn't directly say that he has faith. 322 00:28:44.700 --> 00:28:54.660 He actually talks about his dad, but he's like, this is why humans have faith and he tries to get to know her and understand her and even says to her, the skin on your face is so different. 323 00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:56.039 May I touch your face? 324 00:28:56.099 --> 00:28:57.299 Ooh, creepy. 325 00:28:57.359 --> 00:28:58.319 Which is creepy. 326 00:28:58.319 --> 00:28:59.700 And she says, why? 327 00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:01.980 And he says, I'm a nurse if anything goes wrong. 328 00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:05.519 And that's why he knows how to feel for a pulse later. 329 00:29:05.579 --> 00:29:07.500 But, you know, that's a that's an instinctual thing. 330 00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:10.680 Um, but again, that's also slightly insensitive from Jubile. 331 00:29:10.740 --> 00:29:15.299 If you're chained up, can I touch your face kind of thing, which could be another reason it was cut. 332 00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:30.299 But as such, there's a lot in this that is building up to, and I know we'll come back to this later, but it is building up to Rory's death because there's a few conversations he has where he's like, I won't allow that to happen. 333 00:29:30.299 --> 00:29:34.619 And it's like, okay, the implication to this is over my dead body. 334 00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:36.180 Oh dear, you're gonna die. 335 00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:55.319 And when Arthur Darville got the script for this, Because the way the production blocks worked is he's in one episode of the next block of two, then it's the Pandora opens Big Bang and then he's in another episode at the end, he hadn't had the script for the finale yet, he said, he said in an interview, I know I'm filming more. 336 00:29:55.380 --> 00:30:02.160 At the time of getting this script, I don't know if this death is permanent. 337 00:30:02.220 --> 00:30:07.380 So at the time he recorded this, he didn't know about the Pandora Opens and Big Bang Twist. 338 00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:07.980 Right. 339 00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:15.119 So, and I think that is the most sensible idea because it informs the actor's performance. 340 00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:18.839 If they if they know that this is a temporary death and they're coming back. 341 00:30:19.259 --> 00:30:22.079 They're not going to play it like a real death. 342 00:30:22.140 --> 00:30:30.059 And the thing is, this had impact back then, people believed it for a few weeks that he was really dead. 343 00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:31.079 Did they? 344 00:30:31.259 --> 00:30:33.359 In in the UK they did. 345 00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:35.160 As I recall. 346 00:30:35.220 --> 00:30:36.359 I did. 347 00:30:36.420 --> 00:30:37.319 I believed it. 348 00:30:37.380 --> 00:30:38.700 Did you? 349 00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:39.420 I didn't. 350 00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:40.440 I thought no, he's coming back. 351 00:30:40.500 --> 00:30:41.940 Well, because he died last week. 352 00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:43.740 Yes, death number two. 353 00:30:43.799 --> 00:30:47.880 I just kind of went, you know, okay, he's died and then we're keeping the engagement ring. 354 00:30:47.940 --> 00:30:48.960 Why would that still be there? 355 00:30:49.019 --> 00:30:50.579 And I just went, no, there's something here. 356 00:30:51.119 --> 00:31:09.059 I am someone who doesn't think that Rory dies too often and that actually likes this idea, even though I'm not sold on the execution of the actual death. 357 00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:14.460 So, So it's a Meglos episode 4 death, isn't it? 358 00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:19.920 It's Jacqueline Hill gets killed by a random person who we thought was dead. 359 00:31:19.980 --> 00:31:26.519 She leaps in front of the doctor for some reason and then gets shot and we do that exactly again. 360 00:31:26.579 --> 00:31:28.619 Nothing really has been leading up to it. 361 00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:31.140 We didn't need to see Rastak again. 362 00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:33.779 She could have just sort of died or whatever. 363 00:31:33.900 --> 00:31:42.180 But instead, we have her turn up just for the express purpose of killing Rory for the purpose of this scene. 364 00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:44.220 And the crack. 365 00:31:44.220 --> 00:31:46.680 Yeah, and then the sort of crack comes along. 366 00:31:46.740 --> 00:31:48.720 But I mean, what's happening here? 367 00:31:48.779 --> 00:32:11.579 We've talked about this season's arc, which is Amy runs off with her childhood friend the night before her wedding, the whole thing is about childhood and adulthood, and we're going to get to the point where she accepts adulthood goes through with the wedding and then decides actually that's not good enough and I'm going to have childhood as well. 368 00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:12.900 And that happens in the finale. 369 00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:25.259 Here, I think, we're at the point where the doctor has tried to course correct in vampires of Venice and sort of Amy's choice and things look like they're going well. 370 00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:29.039 And then Rory is killed and she can't even remember him. 371 00:32:29.099 --> 00:32:32.460 She's so completely rejected her adulthood. 372 00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:35.039 He's no longer someone that she even remembers. 373 00:32:35.099 --> 00:32:43.980 And so in a way, this is the point where the season kind of where her escape from her wedding goes horribly wrong and gets out of control. 374 00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:48.059 She's really, really good in these scenes, Karen. 375 00:32:48.180 --> 00:32:49.319 Do you? 376 00:32:49.380 --> 00:32:50.579 I think they're a bit overwrought. 377 00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:54.779 I think this is a time to go over overwrought though. 378 00:32:54.839 --> 00:33:06.000 And especially because she has been someone who is so cagey about her level of emotion for Rory, like her reaction last week to seeing themselves on the other heelers. 379 00:33:06.059 --> 00:33:07.619 It's 10 years and we're still together. 380 00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:11.759 Yeah, well, I think her last sort of proper words to him are wrong way idiot. 381 00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:12.839 Yeah, yeah. 382 00:33:12.900 --> 00:33:15.059 So I think it's actually fully appropriate. 383 00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:22.980 Yeah, because it's alluded to several times this season that the doctor leaving her as a child really messed her up. 384 00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:28.799 And so she puts on a very fierce exterior, but actually she's quite hurt. 385 00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:35.099 And yeah, and getting through and getting through her life and not letting that stop her. 386 00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:39.960 But this moment opens up the floodgates of that trauma. 387 00:33:40.019 --> 00:33:44.880 And I think once we see sort of real, the real depth of despair from a companion. 388 00:33:45.299 --> 00:33:46.680 Yeah. 389 00:33:46.740 --> 00:33:54.779 No, I actually, I'm inclined to think that maybe it is a bit big, but I'm fine with big because it's a big emotional moment. 390 00:33:54.839 --> 00:34:08.099 I find myself actually rather affected, even though I know how the rest of the season goes and and everything because partly because I thought Darvel's performance as dying Rory was actually tremendously effective. 391 00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:18.300 Uh, and because Matt Smith was really playing the genuine idea that Matt, I believed that Matt Smith didn't know how the season was going to turn out. 392 00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:26.519 And so the doctor really seemed to be believing, I need to keep Rory alive in Amy's memory because otherwise I don't know how I'm going to bring him back. 393 00:34:26.579 --> 00:34:32.219 Uh, and so, yeah, I quite, I quite found that whole thing uh, quite emotionally. 394 00:34:32.460 --> 00:34:46.380 Touching, I would have preferred it without the uh, portentous voiceover from Eldane about all the doctor's losses and all the doctor's losses yet to come, which is just ripping off what they say to Donna at the end of season four. 395 00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:49.800 Um, it's how does he know? 396 00:34:49.860 --> 00:34:51.539 How did they know any of this? 397 00:34:51.659 --> 00:34:53.460 Yeah, yeah. 398 00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:55.800 Well, he's the narrator at that point, I think, probably. 399 00:34:55.860 --> 00:35:03.659 But Matt's urgency about making sure that Amy remembers Rory is right. 400 00:35:03.780 --> 00:35:05.940 Rory comes back because Amy remembers him. 401 00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:24.239 There is quite a few things going on here at the end. 402 00:35:24.300 --> 00:35:29.460 We get that really pathetic stock explosion of the... 403 00:35:29.460 --> 00:35:30.119 Big mining thing? 404 00:35:30.179 --> 00:35:31.199 Oh, I think it's terrible. 405 00:35:31.260 --> 00:35:32.099 I love it. 406 00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:34.079 Yeah, that looks a bit Sarah Jane Adventures. 407 00:35:34.139 --> 00:35:35.940 No, I agree with not an insult. 408 00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:37.380 It is sometimes. 409 00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:45.900 You said last week how good the actual plant looked, but I think the explosion this week looks as cheap as tacky as anything, right? 410 00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:50.579 And of course, then we get the wonderful moment where Amy gets to say hello to herself up on the heel. 411 00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:51.179 Yeah, great. 412 00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:52.920 I care back to 0 from me. 413 00:35:52.980 --> 00:35:58.559 And of course, then the doctor's got a piece of the TARDIS to reveal so we can all go ooh ah, which actually I really like. 414 00:35:58.619 --> 00:35:59.940 I think that's amazing. 415 00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:00.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 416 00:36:01.019 --> 00:36:10.320 That was a huge thing in in 2010 in in the year 2010 AD. No, it was. 417 00:36:10.380 --> 00:36:14.880 That moment is you are literally there going, 0 my goodness, what is really going on with this crack? 418 00:36:14.940 --> 00:36:17.340 Like I really, I was blown away by that. 419 00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:20.940 It doesn't save the episode, which has gone down 2 points, I'd like to tell. 420 00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:22.920 So we're down to a 4 out of 10. 421 00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:33.420 Can I just say, I would love later this year for, um, Tardis lands on a street? 422 00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:36.599 Dr. Yaz, step out. 423 00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:38.940 Doctor, why there, lizard men? 424 00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:40.559 Oh, it's 3020. 425 00:36:40.739 --> 00:36:42.239 It worked. 426 00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:42.960 Nice. 427 00:36:43.019 --> 00:36:46.860 Unfortunately, though, Stephen Moore passed away 2 years ago. 428 00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:49.500 So we won't, we won't be seeing Eldane's outlet. 429 00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:51.900 But we could have, um, we could have Nasrene back. 430 00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:53.099 We could have Miraciel. 431 00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:54.420 That'd be awesome. 432 00:36:54.960 --> 00:37:04.739 And to top it all off, this was the result of several years of Miraciel getting her agent to contact the Doctor Who production office and saying, let me in. 433 00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:11.460 And it looks like part of part of what got her in was she she was in Jekyll. 434 00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:12.539 Ah. 435 00:37:12.539 --> 00:37:15.000 She was in Stephen Moffatt's Jekyll. 436 00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:22.980 So, um, and with the greatest of respect to Olivia Common, I'm so glad that she got a meteor role than Olivia Coleman did. 437 00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:25.800 Although Olivia played that role perfectly well. 438 00:37:25.860 --> 00:37:38.460 I'm so glad to have Mira Ciel all throughout this, and it's, and again, the bit where she decides to stay with Tony and going to hibernation, that could have been sickly sweet and overwrought, yes, Todd? 439 00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:43.260 Yes, completely twee, but she's great in this episode despite everything else going on around her. 440 00:37:43.260 --> 00:37:53.579 And that sells that moment and I really, I think it's a beautiful ending for her and Tony, I guess, in a way, like the best that we can make out of this entire Chris Chibnall script. 441 00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:58.679 Yeah, it's all a bit kind of let's tidy them away at the end and stuff. 442 00:37:58.739 --> 00:38:06.239 I mean, that whole resolution is so sort of horribly disappointing, you know, and we get another countdown. 443 00:38:06.300 --> 00:38:17.940 You know, like it's 12 minutes until the drill hits us in 10 minutes until the poison gas goes through the city and like it is all just incredibly rose, I think. 444 00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:19.260 Yeah. 445 00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:21.059 No, I completely agree with that. 446 00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:39.900 I find it, um, it's a, it's a sort of climax that needs to either put all the toys back in the box or find new boxes for the toys, uh, without creating any actual significant change, the status quo, because I said Lurians are too big of a problem in some way for Doctor Who to actually effectively and properly handle. 447 00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:53.099 And so, Gymnal just does, okay, everything goes back to normal and again, as we said, a 1000 years later, it'll humanity will be fine and these, uh, these lizard people will all be fine and everything will be great. 448 00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:59.039 On that, Eric, um, with, you know, the the whole thing of they're going to wake up in the future. 449 00:38:59.099 --> 00:39:02.519 Um, and you know, we've put all the toys back in the box. 450 00:39:02.579 --> 00:39:27.360 That whole voiceover kind of reminds me of the final Planet of the Apes film in the original 1970s run of the films called Battle for the Planet of the Apes, which ends with A few 100 years in the future, um, ape children and human children learning the history of how the humans and the apes made peace alongside each other a 1000 years ago. 451 00:39:27.420 --> 00:39:42.179 And it's a really mawkish ending because the children aren't very good, and then the camera pans across to a statue of Roddy McDowell's ape, and a tear comes out of the statue because all of the cycle could begin again. 452 00:39:42.900 --> 00:39:49.320 The thing is, when I 1st saw this episode, I hadn't seen that movie and now I have, I think it's a direct crib from that. 453 00:39:49.380 --> 00:39:59.460 And that final Planet of the Apes movie actually is pretty good until you get to that moment and the screenwriters tried to get their name taken off it because they didn't write that. 454 00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:11.579 I just, you know, like I think had we seen it, had anything other than just voiceover saying that it was all going to be okay. 455 00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:19.500 You know, that might have helped, perhaps, but it's very unambitious in that it doesn't desire to really go anywhere. 456 00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:21.059 And I think that's the problem. 457 00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:21.780 Yeah. 458 00:40:22.139 --> 00:40:27.719 So do we think that Silurians can't be done anymore? 459 00:40:27.780 --> 00:40:28.380 Is that it? 460 00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:31.019 Can we never have another Silurian story? 461 00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:32.340 I don't know. 462 00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:44.340 I kind of think of them and the Santarans, like the Ferengi of Star Trek, where they tried to make them all menacing and everything, but they work much better when they're sort of out of character. 463 00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:51.900 Like, when it's Madame Bastra as a single detective solder in, that works really well, when it strikes in comedy mode, et cetera. 464 00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:54.960 That works really well, but as a collective, do they really work that well? 465 00:40:55.019 --> 00:40:55.500 I don't know. 466 00:40:55.559 --> 00:41:10.980 Maybe if they're just people, you know, maybe from now on, they appear and they're just people and we can't do the story again of how we work towards trying to find a way to share the planet and failing. 467 00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:14.820 Yeah, I think we don't need to jump a 1000 years ahead. 468 00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:21.480 We need to jump 1500 years ahead to where they've already been around for 500 years and the 2 societies are integrated. 469 00:41:21.539 --> 00:41:30.960 We just need the doctor to land on a spaceship that has humans and Silurians on it on the same crew, like, you know, Captain James T. Silurian. 470 00:41:31.019 --> 00:41:31.619 Yeah. 471 00:41:31.619 --> 00:41:38.699 And, you know, his his his human crew and Niamh McIntosh as another Silorian, as the communications officer. 472 00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:46.739 You know, we just, we just need to get to the point where, yep, in the future, humans and homoreptilia are sharing the planet and everything's fine. 473 00:41:47.820 --> 00:41:52.860 So I have one more Silurian theory, um, which is this. 474 00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:59.340 Every time the Silurians appear, they get given a scientifically impossible new name. 475 00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:04.139 So if they were homo reptilia, like that makes no sense. 476 00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:11.099 No one who knows anything about the way species are named would like it just absolutely makes no sense. 477 00:42:11.159 --> 00:42:13.260 They can't be in the same genus as us. 478 00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:15.000 So that's absurd. 479 00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:22.139 And we tried with Silurians initially because it sounded cool and then we tried with EO scenes because that sounded cool as well. 480 00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:32.940 Um, I can't work out when they live because there are apes and like, who the hell knows what's even going on, apes and and tyrannosauruses and all sorts of things. 481 00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:34.440 But no moon. 482 00:42:34.500 --> 00:42:35.519 No moon. 483 00:42:35.579 --> 00:42:36.059 That's it. 484 00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:37.019 No egg. 485 00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:40.500 Sorry, but I'm jumping ahead of ourselves. 486 00:42:55.019 --> 00:42:57.539 All right, so it's part two of a two part story. 487 00:42:57.599 --> 00:42:58.739 God help us. 488 00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:02.639 And so it's time for picks of the week. 489 00:43:03.179 --> 00:43:04.739 Todd. 490 00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:08.519 My peak of the week is called Warriors of the Deep. 491 00:43:08.579 --> 00:43:11.760 It's a classic Doctor Who story that involves the Silurians. 492 00:43:11.820 --> 00:43:12.780 I think you'll just love it. 493 00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:14.579 Brilliant. 494 00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:15.300 We will. 495 00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:16.320 We promise we will. 496 00:43:16.380 --> 00:43:18.659 Um, Eric, do you have a pick of the week? 497 00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:20.820 I do have a pick of the week. 498 00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:23.099 It is not Doctor Who related, unfortunately. 499 00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:29.820 Uh, it is a Broadway musical called Natasha Pierre and the great comet of 1812, uh, written by Dave Malloy. 500 00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:33.900 It was on Broadway a few years ago now, about 2016, 2017. 501 00:43:34.139 --> 00:43:41.219 Um, and it is, um, it's something that's, I've, I love, and it's been a favour for a while, but I've been revisiting it recently. 502 00:43:41.219 --> 00:43:45.300 And it's just one of the most astounding works of human imagination. 503 00:43:45.360 --> 00:44:00.300 Essentially, Dave Malloy took a chunk of War and Peace, and musicalized it and using a ton of different styles, everything from traditional Russian music to electronic dance, and it's wild and incredible, and more people should check it up. 504 00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:02.340 So Natasha Pier and the Great Comed of 1812. 505 00:44:03.179 --> 00:44:04.800 Marvellous. 506 00:44:04.860 --> 00:44:06.719 Best peak of the weekend, I think. 507 00:44:06.780 --> 00:44:07.139 Yeah. 508 00:44:07.139 --> 00:44:08.699 Brendan. 509 00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:10.500 Yeah, I have a pick of the week. 510 00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:12.059 It is a Spotify playlist. 511 00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:22.739 And this is by the official steps, Spotify account, and it's heartbreaking the city, steps anti-Valentine's playlist. 512 00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:29.699 So it's a bunch of sad step songs, but being steps, you know, there's also dance remixes of the sad songs. 513 00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:41.880 Um, and yeah, you can find it on Spotify. one hour and 11 minutes, and Nathan, I will send you the link to put up on the website, just because I've been listening to that on the bus this week, and it's awesome. brilliant. 514 00:44:41.940 --> 00:44:44.579 All right, so I have 2 picks of the week. 515 00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:56.880 One is a former student of mine and a friend of his have started a podcast thereabout, sort of 25, 26 episodes in at the time of recording, and they are releasing regularly. 516 00:44:56.940 --> 00:44:58.679 It's called Pilot Club. 517 00:44:58.739 --> 00:45:06.599 And each week they look at 3 TV pilots that are from this year from the current year. 518 00:45:06.659 --> 00:45:18.960 So there's so much TV out there and a pilot from the past, they've done the prisoner and um, they did the Mary Tyler Moore show and and all sorts of things like that. 519 00:45:19.019 --> 00:45:24.900 Billy and Drew are both very sensitive and insightful critics. 520 00:45:25.019 --> 00:45:29.400 The show is extremely clever and it's absolutely worth listening to. 521 00:45:29.460 --> 00:45:48.719 The 2nd podcast is called a hamster with a blunt penknife, which is hosted by friend of the podcast, Joe Ford, and he gets guests on and gets them to pick a story and the 2 of them record a commentary. 522 00:45:48.719 --> 00:45:54.780 And some of us have been or are soon to be on the podcast with him. 523 00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:57.780 So check that out in your podcatcher of choice. 524 00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:30.659 Well, no, sir, that's all. 525 00:46:30.780 --> 00:46:31.860 We have time for this week. 526 00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:38.639 We'll be back next week to see what Richard Curtis can do on a Doctor Who budget in Vincent and the Doctor. 527 00:46:40.019 --> 00:46:55.619 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts and you can keep up with us at flights or entirety on Facebook, at FDE podcast on Twitter, and on our website, flightthroughentirety.com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger and Jody into terror. 528 00:46:55.800 --> 00:46:58.619 Eric, where can people find you online? 529 00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:02.760 Oh, people can find me on Twitter at SJC after night? 530 00:47:02.820 --> 00:47:18.659 That's S-J-C-A-U-S-T-E-N-I-T, and they can find me in the podcasting world on Doctor Who, the writer's room, where we look at Doctor Who from a writing perspective, and the real McCoy podcast, where we talk about the Dr. Ship of Sylvester McCoy. 531 00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:27.360 Until next time, may you find a way to cross off all the major things on your to-do list sometime before the year 3020? 532 00:47:27.420 --> 00:47:30.360 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 533 00:47:30.420 --> 00:47:31.380 See you soon. 534 00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:32.099 Good night. 535 00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:33.179 Toodles. 536 00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:43.619 That was Flight Through Entirety, starring Todd Bealby, Nathan Bottomley, Brendan Jones, and Eric Stadnick. 537 00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:45.659 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb. 538 00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:52.079 This episode, the status quo was recorded on the 21st of February 2021 and released on the 9th of May. 539 00:47:55.260 --> 00:48:07.559 Now that you've heard us trashing a couple of Chris Chibnell episodes of Doctor Who, we hope you'll like and subscribe to our YouTube channel, why we hate girls and fun and telly and have literally never had sex, you'll love it. 540 00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:08.519 No, you won't. 541 00:48:13.019 --> 00:48:20.940 And, uh, some of us, I think, uh, have been or are soon to be on the podcast with him. 542 00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:24.000 So check that out in your podcatcher of choice. 543 00:48:24.059 --> 00:48:25.860 I'm going to be doing time flight. 544 00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:34.019 He made me do Resurrection of the Daleks because I told him I hated it so much. 545 00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:38.460 So he let me do Aliens of London and then I did Resurrection of the Daleks. 546 00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:47.280 And it is actually really hard to talk about Resurrection of the Daleks for like 2 hours because you just keep on saying, here are more people with guns. 547 00:48:47.340 --> 00:48:48.179 Why is this happening? 548 00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:49.739 Well, somebody's just died. 549 00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:50.699 Yeah. 550 00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:51.900 Yeah, it's awful. 551 00:48:52.380 --> 00:48:55.079 Have you seen It's a Sin, Eric? 552 00:48:55.139 --> 00:48:59.940 No, I'm actually probably not going to watch it. 553 00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:09.300 I find, uh, as you know, my my RTD tolerance for when he goes sort of full, uh, depressing drama is quite low. 554 00:49:09.300 --> 00:49:13.440 And I honestly think I would just, and everyone has said, oh, it's gutting. 555 00:49:13.500 --> 00:49:14.099 It's so emotional. 556 00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:15.960 I'm like, I don't need that right now. 557 00:49:16.019 --> 00:49:19.980 I don't need an excuse to sit and cry for 7 hours. 558 00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:20.940 I could do that on my own. 559 00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:21.480 Thank you very much. 560 00:49:21.539 --> 00:49:26.039 So I think I'll probably maybe come back to it at a later time. 561 00:49:26.099 --> 00:49:28.079 But everyone says it's fantastic. 562 00:49:28.139 --> 00:49:29.400 It is very good. 563 00:49:29.460 --> 00:49:32.760 It's the same thing with years and years and sort of cucumber and stuff. 564 00:49:32.820 --> 00:49:36.059 When I 1st watched cucumber, I was alone in the house. 565 00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:40.679 Calvin had moved to Tokyo for a year and so I was completely alone in the house. 566 00:49:40.739 --> 00:49:46.079 And episode 6 has the most upsetting death that I've ever ever seen on television. 567 00:49:46.139 --> 00:49:58.320 It was absolutely heartbreaking, and I was completely destroyed, and I was on my own totally, and it's, I think it's an episode of TV that I can't ever bring myself the watch again. 568 00:49:58.380 --> 00:50:00.000 Um, it was brilliant. 569 00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:03.780 It was brilliant, but you know, absolutely. sort of impossible to watch. 570 00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:06.119 All right. 571 00:50:06.179 --> 00:50:11.099 Okay, so let's do the outro. 572 00:50:11.340 --> 00:50:12.719 Okay. 573 00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:19.619 Oh, I've got a really cruel potential outro, which I think I won't do, but I'll record it anyway. 574 00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:20.880 I'll do them both. 575 00:50:20.940 --> 00:50:23.699 You can use the laugh from the cruel one on the other one. 576 00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:26.400 Lisa, you might hate me. for this one. 577 00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:28.920 Here we go. 578 00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:33.659 Well, dear listener, that's all we have time for this week. 579 00:50:33.719 --> 00:50:39.960 We'll be back next week to make a whole bunch of bourgeois liberals cry in Vincent and the doctor. 580 00:50:40.139 --> 00:50:43.199 Sorry, that was that was my watch telling me. 581 00:50:43.739 --> 00:50:45.480 Oh, okay, sorry, I will record that again. 582 00:50:45.539 --> 00:50:46.619 That's intolerable, isn't it? 583 00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:47.340 I can't air that. 584 00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:47.940 That's terrible. 585 00:50:48.059 --> 00:50:49.980 Yeah, and you can record it again. 586 00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:51.719 I know, but it's unuseable. 587 00:50:52.500 --> 00:50:54.840 I'm going to do it again anyway. 588 00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:58.440 I'll release it as a bonus track. 589 00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:02.460 Well, dear listener, that's all we have time for this week.