WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-04 at 13:24:31 1 00:00:36.899 --> 00:00:40.740 Hello, dear listener and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety. 2 00:00:40.799 --> 00:00:45.060 The only Doctor Who podcast that has this nagging feeling that we 3 00:00:45.060 --> 00:00:47.640 might have forgotten to turn something off upstairs. 4 00:00:48.420 --> 00:00:50.219 I'm Nathan. 5 00:00:50.280 --> 00:00:51.119 I'm Todd. 6 00:00:51.179 --> 00:00:51.899 I'm Brendan. 7 00:00:51.960 --> 00:00:53.100 And I'm Eric. 8 00:00:53.159 --> 00:00:57.659 Well, over the years, the Silurians have been exploded twice and 9 00:00:57.659 --> 00:01:01.259 poisoned with hexachromite gas once, so we have good reason to be 10 00:01:01.259 --> 00:01:04.319 a little anxious about how things are going to turn out today. 11 00:01:04.379 --> 00:01:08.939 Still, Marvin the Paranoid Android seems nice and the decor here 12 00:01:08.939 --> 00:01:10.200 is comforting and familiar. 13 00:01:10.260 --> 00:01:15.299 So let's find out how the negotiations pan out in cold blood. 14 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:33.719 Can I say something about the decor? 15 00:01:33.780 --> 00:01:36.599 It's that thing I hinted at last week that will make Todd ever so 16 00:01:36.599 --> 00:01:36.840 happy? 17 00:01:36.900 --> 00:01:38.159 Oh, what's that? 18 00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:42.719 Um, so part of this was filmed at the same botanical gardens that 19 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:44.640 the end of the doctor's daughter takes place in. 20 00:01:44.700 --> 00:01:46.980 I'm estatic about that. 21 00:01:48.180 --> 00:01:52.200 Oh, another point deducted from this episode. 22 00:01:52.260 --> 00:01:55.920 And much like this episode, I just paid off the cliffhanger I set 23 00:01:55.920 --> 00:01:57.120 up last week with a voiceover. 24 00:01:57.659 --> 00:02:03.060 So we start this episode with a picture of the earth and it's a 25 00:02:03.060 --> 00:02:05.459 voiceover from a 1000 years in the future. 26 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:07.079 Do we know that at this point? 27 00:02:07.140 --> 00:02:11.939 The monologue does mention that this is the story of a day a 1000 28 00:02:11.939 --> 00:02:14.879 years past where we started sharing the planet with humanity? 29 00:02:14.939 --> 00:02:16.319 So it cheats? 30 00:02:16.439 --> 00:02:17.219 It cheats. 31 00:02:17.280 --> 00:02:18.840 Imagine that. 32 00:02:18.900 --> 00:02:20.759 Moffat era story cheating. 33 00:02:20.819 --> 00:02:21.539 I know. 34 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:23.039 It's extraordinary. 1st few seconds. 35 00:02:23.099 --> 00:02:28.860 So the other cliffhanger resolution, which is, of course, Amy is 36 00:02:28.860 --> 00:02:34.020 about to be vivisected, is resolved in a classic, say, with era 37 00:02:34.020 --> 00:02:39.599 way by, um, it's not someone coming in saying, no, stop, but it is 38 00:02:39.599 --> 00:02:44.939 basically a, uh, PA announcement, uh, telling Malik that he has to 39 00:02:44.939 --> 00:02:45.360 stop. 40 00:02:45.419 --> 00:02:46.680 And so he leaves. 41 00:02:46.740 --> 00:02:50.759 Yeah, the motion detector's gone off and the lights on the front 42 00:02:50.759 --> 00:02:51.599 porch have come on. 43 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:54.479 And these kids need to get out of our front yard. 44 00:02:54.539 --> 00:02:58.800 No, I mean, he's got to, he's got some more people to vivisect, I 45 00:02:58.800 --> 00:02:58.919 guess. 46 00:02:58.979 --> 00:03:00.539 Yeah, and D-Louse. 47 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:00.780 Yeah. 48 00:03:00.780 --> 00:03:01.800 He's got to delouse them. 49 00:03:01.860 --> 00:03:03.900 But doesn't she manage to pick his pocket? 50 00:03:03.960 --> 00:03:06.000 Oh, dear, oh dear. 51 00:03:06.060 --> 00:03:07.680 It really, you know, honestly. 52 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:09.539 Yeah. 53 00:03:09.599 --> 00:03:13.560 She is somehow completely restrained in such a way that she can't 54 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:16.560 even move her hands and yet she picks his pocket. 55 00:03:16.620 --> 00:03:19.979 It is, I feel frustrating. 56 00:03:20.039 --> 00:03:21.180 It's so frustrating. 57 00:03:22.500 --> 00:03:28.439 And and given how in the 11th hour, um, while dressed as a 58 00:03:28.439 --> 00:03:33.180 kissogram, she's known to Khali from the dominators and steals his 59 00:03:33.180 --> 00:03:35.159 car keys to lock. 60 00:03:35.219 --> 00:03:36.659 Yeah, that's Cully from the Dominators. 61 00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:36.960 Yeah. 62 00:03:37.020 --> 00:03:41.039 It's it's set up that she nicks stuff from people that she's 63 00:03:41.039 --> 00:03:42.659 kissogram for me. 64 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:46.919 I mean, you know, I suppose kidsogram can't pay terribly well. 65 00:03:46.979 --> 00:03:50.280 No, she'd have to steal the occasional car, I think, to make ends 66 00:03:50.280 --> 00:03:50.699 meet. 67 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:53.460 I'm just smiling at those comments. 68 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:58.800 So, I mean, there is a weird thing about the characterisation of 69 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:02.819 Malakare now because he has been vivisecting people, including 70 00:04:02.819 --> 00:04:06.240 attractive father of one Mo Northover. 71 00:04:06.300 --> 00:04:08.219 Yeah, but he's fine. 72 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:09.719 He's fine. 73 00:04:09.780 --> 00:04:11.099 But now he's lovely. 74 00:04:11.159 --> 00:04:12.060 Now we love him. 75 00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:14.460 Hasn't he been doing it for a very long time? 76 00:04:14.520 --> 00:04:17.519 Yes, he's been vivisecting people for a very long time. 77 00:04:17.579 --> 00:04:23.579 And this is part of, um, again, the cut scenes from this story, and 78 00:04:23.579 --> 00:04:26.160 there's a line later on where he says, no, no, I never do that to 79 00:04:26.160 --> 00:04:26.639 the young ones. 80 00:04:26.699 --> 00:04:27.240 Yes. 81 00:04:27.240 --> 00:04:30.180 But he says, I've taken some of them and I've taken their genetic 82 00:04:30.180 --> 00:04:33.180 code and extrapolated and they live for ages and you're like, you 83 00:04:33.180 --> 00:04:34.379 don't see any other humans running around. 84 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:40.800 But no, there's a cut bit. where um, Amy and Mo discover that he's 85 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:44.220 got basically his own private petting zoo, if you like, you 86 00:04:44.220 --> 00:04:48.600 including Tony's dog from when Mo was a kid and the dog ran away. 87 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:49.500 Wow. 88 00:04:49.500 --> 00:04:52.139 But the dog is down here and it's fine. 89 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:56.100 It's been living there for 30 years because Malakare has been 90 00:04:56.100 --> 00:04:58.379 extending all these animals lives. 91 00:04:58.439 --> 00:05:00.779 So when he's talking about the young ones, he's not making a 92 00:05:00.779 --> 00:05:05.699 distinction between humans and, um, other animals because to the 93 00:05:05.699 --> 00:05:06.899 solarians, we are pets. 94 00:05:06.899 --> 00:05:08.160 Or mammals. 95 00:05:08.279 --> 00:05:09.180 Or mammals, yes. 96 00:05:09.540 --> 00:05:14.279 That does not increase my enjoyment at all. 97 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:17.759 There's a Silurian petting zoo. 98 00:05:17.819 --> 00:05:19.319 I would have loved to see that. 99 00:05:19.379 --> 00:05:23.759 Yeah, it's one of those moments where they need this Allurians, all 100 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:26.519 of them, to be a horrible threat in episode one. 101 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:29.100 And so they're all horrible threat in episode one. 102 00:05:29.100 --> 00:05:33.120 In episode two, he needs some of them to be good guys and some of 103 00:05:33.120 --> 00:05:34.199 them to be bad guys. 104 00:05:34.259 --> 00:05:37.980 And so suddenly, Malachi, the scientist, who is essentially a 105 00:05:37.980 --> 00:05:42.180 Megala type figure in part one, becomes, oh, friendly old 106 00:05:42.180 --> 00:05:45.240 scientist dude, that the doctor thinks is wonderful and wants to 107 00:05:45.240 --> 00:05:46.199 have a makeout session with. 108 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:48.600 It is horribly done. 109 00:05:49.079 --> 00:05:52.740 The other problem I have is the fact that all the mouse celery 110 00:05:52.740 --> 00:05:55.439 insane to be quite reasonable people, but all the female salarians 111 00:05:55.439 --> 00:05:58.079 who seem to be worries, just want to destroy everybody. 112 00:05:58.139 --> 00:06:01.620 And I don't, I mean, whether it's casting or whatever, I just find 113 00:06:01.620 --> 00:06:02.160 that a problem. 114 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:06.060 Well, in fact, it becomes more of a problem when you realise it's 115 00:06:06.060 --> 00:06:08.160 the single female. 116 00:06:08.220 --> 00:06:13.199 Well, Nasrene accepted, but the only other female human character 117 00:06:13.199 --> 00:06:15.240 is also a problem. 118 00:06:15.300 --> 00:06:22.680 So in a sense, this is a peace negotiation that is derailed by the 119 00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:26.519 fact that women are unable to control their emotions. 120 00:06:27.720 --> 00:06:31.439 In the scripting stage, it was sort of a couch 22, because 121 00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:33.600 originally Restac was Alaya's brother. 122 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:34.860 Ah. 123 00:06:34.860 --> 00:06:39.600 And the reason they, um, they decided not to do that was, 1st of 124 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:44.939 all, they didn't want a layer to be, A, the token woman, Solurian 125 00:06:44.939 --> 00:06:48.180 and also B, the dead woman, Silurian. 126 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:48.660 Yeah. 127 00:06:48.660 --> 00:06:52.800 And then they struck on the idea of, okay, well, what if the women 128 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:53.819 are the Warriors? 129 00:06:53.879 --> 00:06:58.019 And, you know, we're getting a bit of Edgar Rice Burrows there and 130 00:06:58.019 --> 00:07:00.480 Amazon's kind of kind of vibe. 131 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:04.620 Oh, and what if it's the same woman and they're part of the gene 132 00:07:04.620 --> 00:07:08.939 pool and yeah, okay, we save on an actress, but also we introduce 133 00:07:08.939 --> 00:07:13.259 the idea that these people have advanced genetic technology, which 134 00:07:13.259 --> 00:07:15.180 again would have been paid off with the petting zoo. 135 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:15.779 Yeah. 136 00:07:15.779 --> 00:07:19.680 But yeah, it does then create its own problem. 137 00:07:19.740 --> 00:07:24.420 And that's something the Moffat era does quite a bit in that they 138 00:07:24.420 --> 00:07:27.060 sort of go down a route of saying, well, hey, let's do something 139 00:07:27.060 --> 00:07:30.779 progressive and let's have women aliens as well as men aliens 140 00:07:30.779 --> 00:07:34.500 because we rarely sell them in the classic series, but then not 141 00:07:34.500 --> 00:07:36.120 think about the roles they're giving them. 142 00:07:36.180 --> 00:07:39.899 And yes, Todd, absolutely, making all the women aggressors 143 00:07:39.899 --> 00:07:45.000 including the, um, just the soldiers wearing the masks, there's no 144 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:46.740 male shapes. 145 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:48.720 There's no, there's no men's soldiers. 146 00:07:48.779 --> 00:07:52.980 So the 2 male solurians we meet, you know, the scientist and the 147 00:07:52.980 --> 00:07:55.620 wise elder who's like, well, if you kill those humans, you're 148 00:07:55.620 --> 00:07:57.959 going to have to kill me and 0 god, I'm very depressed. 149 00:07:59.100 --> 00:08:04.139 But yeah, it does then create that unfortunate situation 150 00:08:04.139 --> 00:08:05.699 especially when you have Ambrose as well. 151 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:09.060 It's sort of men reliable women unreliable. 152 00:08:09.120 --> 00:08:13.500 And I think it's unintentional, but it comes from a place of not 153 00:08:13.500 --> 00:08:14.279 thinking about it enough. 154 00:08:14.339 --> 00:08:16.259 Yeah, no, I agree with you. 155 00:08:16.319 --> 00:08:18.360 I don't think it was their intentions to do that. 156 00:08:18.420 --> 00:08:21.420 But by the choices they've made, they've gone down a certain path 157 00:08:21.420 --> 00:08:24.240 and that's the that's the outcome at the end of the day. 158 00:08:24.300 --> 00:08:28.139 I mean, the whole Ambrose pot I just find so painful and annoying 159 00:08:28.139 --> 00:08:32.580 throughout the whole thing and I just couldn't care less for her. 160 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:35.639 I even don't think the, I don't even feel that a layer's death is 161 00:08:35.639 --> 00:08:36.299 even earned. 162 00:08:36.360 --> 00:08:38.460 Like I just don't think there's enough. 163 00:08:38.580 --> 00:08:41.340 I't know, I just wanted to build it up more to that point even. 164 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:43.080 It's just there because we need it to be there. 165 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:43.919 Yeah. 166 00:08:43.980 --> 00:08:44.940 Yeah. 167 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:48.000 And it's not, I think I want, just to add the sort of little bit 168 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:52.500 of complexity to the women are irrational and can't handle emotion 169 00:08:52.500 --> 00:08:52.740 thing. 170 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:54.539 It specifically about family. 171 00:08:54.659 --> 00:09:01.980 It's that these females, uh, Ambrose and rest tack can't handle 172 00:09:01.980 --> 00:09:05.340 that their family members are in danger. 173 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:10.259 And it's so it's very much this idea of the sort of mother, mother 174 00:09:10.259 --> 00:09:13.320 bear, you know, protecting the cuff. 175 00:09:13.379 --> 00:09:17.279 It's so trite and predictable. 176 00:09:17.340 --> 00:09:20.700 It's Kipling, the female of the species more deadly than male. 177 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:23.580 So, um, I think you're right. 178 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:25.799 I think they were trying to sort of do something progressive and 179 00:09:25.799 --> 00:09:30.000 it's not sort of painting them into a very tropic sort of corner 180 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:35.279 but it is, it's still, it's still problematic and, um, Yeah, I 181 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:38.700 generally kind of wish the entire Ambrose thing had been cut 182 00:09:38.700 --> 00:09:39.960 almost. 183 00:09:40.019 --> 00:09:44.159 I find her presence and her role throughout this entire 2nd 184 00:09:44.159 --> 00:09:46.379 episode to be so awful. 185 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:48.720 She's so horrendous as a human being. 186 00:09:48.779 --> 00:09:52.919 Uh, I could, especially compared with everyone else that she's 187 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:53.100 around. 188 00:09:53.159 --> 00:09:53.580 It's bad. 189 00:09:54.299 --> 00:09:58.440 It's also, you know, the fact that she doesn't learn her lesson. 190 00:09:58.500 --> 00:10:03.779 Like she kills someone and like Tony has that sort of, you know, my 191 00:10:03.779 --> 00:10:05.340 little girl, what have you done? 192 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:08.460 And she sort of faced with the consequences of it. 193 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:13.259 She knows that she's going to have to take the dead body down and 194 00:10:13.259 --> 00:10:15.360 kind of confront the Silurians. 195 00:10:15.419 --> 00:10:18.960 No one else is prepared to sort of whitewash it or lie on her 196 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:19.500 behalf. 197 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:22.559 But she doesn't learn a lesson. 198 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:28.620 And she then goes to set the drill up to actually like kind of 199 00:10:28.620 --> 00:10:29.820 kill everyone. 200 00:10:29.879 --> 00:10:31.559 Better and better. 201 00:10:31.620 --> 00:10:32.940 It's crazy. 202 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:36.000 Elliot's going to be in therapy for years and they're not going to 203 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:37.080 like her much when he gets old. 204 00:10:37.139 --> 00:10:37.799 No. 205 00:10:37.860 --> 00:10:42.179 But the thing the thing is, I do think then when when Elliot finds 206 00:10:42.179 --> 00:10:46.200 out what she's done and walks away from her, and it is an 207 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:49.500 underplayed moment, you know, I think in the hands of a less 208 00:10:49.500 --> 00:10:53.580 capable director, that would have been the moment where Ambrose 209 00:10:53.580 --> 00:10:56.519 snaps and tries to grab one of the Solurians gun and then she 210 00:10:56.519 --> 00:10:56.879 shot. 211 00:10:56.940 --> 00:11:01.860 And not to insult anyone, but I think if the story had been made 212 00:11:01.860 --> 00:11:04.080 in the 80s, that probably would have happened and it would have 213 00:11:04.080 --> 00:11:06.179 been the episode 3 cliffhanger, so you don't have to pay her for 214 00:11:06.179 --> 00:11:06.779 episode four. 215 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:15.179 But I, but the thing is, I also think that that moment with her 216 00:11:15.179 --> 00:11:19.559 and the doctor standing in the church doorway at the end and the 217 00:11:19.559 --> 00:11:24.240 thing is, her, her punishment is not a big speech for the doctor. 218 00:11:24.299 --> 00:11:26.279 The doctor does say to her, you've ruined this. 219 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:31.139 You know, it's your actions that have ruined this, but at the end 220 00:11:31.139 --> 00:11:33.899 her punishment is actually just the doctor saying to her very 221 00:11:33.899 --> 00:11:36.179 quietly, well, your son's going to have to be better than you 222 00:11:36.179 --> 00:11:37.740 because you screwed it up. 223 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:39.960 There's no coming back from the fact that you're a murderer. 224 00:11:40.019 --> 00:11:46.320 It's kind of like, Killing her character as as a punishment for 225 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:46.620 that. 226 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:48.960 And I know no one's suggesting that, but I feel like your 2 227 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:51.419 options are, she survives, or you kill her. 228 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:53.039 And if you kill her character. 229 00:11:53.340 --> 00:11:57.600 You know, the doctor says an eye for an eye with the implication 230 00:11:57.600 --> 00:11:58.860 that that's a terrible idea. 231 00:11:58.919 --> 00:12:03.120 So instead, her punishment is that she has to live with what she's 232 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:03.360 done. 233 00:12:04.019 --> 00:12:09.779 But there is that glimmer of hope that that is going to make her 234 00:12:09.779 --> 00:12:11.279 pass on the lesson that it's not worth it. 235 00:12:11.340 --> 00:12:14.039 Do you know, I hate that scene. 236 00:12:14.100 --> 00:12:19.860 And the reason that I hate that scene. is that the doctor lets her 237 00:12:19.860 --> 00:12:21.299 off so lightly. 238 00:12:21.419 --> 00:12:28.019 And the 2 of them smile at one another as the scene ants. 239 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:29.700 The doctor isn't menacing. 240 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:34.259 He's not even, he's trying to be nice thing that he was doing last 241 00:12:34.259 --> 00:12:34.860 episode. 242 00:12:34.919 --> 00:12:39.779 He absolutely just kind of lets her get away with it. 243 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:41.220 Oh, it's understandable. 244 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:44.460 We've all had maternal instincts that have led us to murder 245 00:12:44.460 --> 00:12:45.840 someone from time to time. 246 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:48.600 And that's, you know, that's regrettable. 247 00:12:48.659 --> 00:12:53.279 But I just think she's, you know, kind of let off far, far too 248 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:53.700 lightly. 249 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:59.340 Especially considering as, as, as you were saying that she, she 250 00:12:59.340 --> 00:13:01.740 murders one and it's like she gets a taste for it, so she 251 00:13:01.740 --> 00:13:03.299 escalates straight to genocide. 252 00:13:03.419 --> 00:13:07.259 She sets the drill to destroy their entire civilisation. 253 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:10.559 And and the doctor does nothing. 254 00:13:10.620 --> 00:13:12.899 She does not repent during the story. 255 00:13:12.960 --> 00:13:16.980 We see her feel a little bad, I suppose, but she does not have a 256 00:13:16.980 --> 00:13:21.120 moral enlightening, for all we know, she's going to continue in 257 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:25.860 this same path, because all the rewards she has received have been 258 00:13:25.860 --> 00:13:26.700 positive. 259 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:27.539 She has not been punished. 260 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:31.500 She has been, all the reinforcement has been, you got your son 261 00:13:31.500 --> 00:13:35.279 back, you got Mo back, the alien lizard people went back to 262 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:35.639 sleep. 263 00:13:35.700 --> 00:13:37.980 You didn't have to sacrifice anything. 264 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:38.639 Woohoo. 265 00:13:38.700 --> 00:13:39.960 Kill more people. 266 00:13:40.019 --> 00:13:41.159 Maybe you'll get more cool stuff. 267 00:13:41.220 --> 00:13:43.559 It was, I find it... 268 00:13:43.620 --> 00:13:45.720 Yeah, except your father. 269 00:13:45.779 --> 00:13:46.799 But he was old anyway. 270 00:13:46.860 --> 00:13:52.500 And I find that moment and her resolution really troubling from a 271 00:13:52.500 --> 00:13:53.820 moral perspective. 272 00:13:53.879 --> 00:13:57.960 And it, but I think that's something that's consistent with uh 273 00:13:57.960 --> 00:13:58.919 chibnal stories. 274 00:13:58.980 --> 00:14:04.919 He is willing to have the doctor, quote unquote, punish aliens or 275 00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:09.240 have aliens have repercussions, but when humans have actual moral 276 00:14:09.240 --> 00:14:12.720 failings, he seems very inclined to just sort of say, well, what 277 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:13.320 you going to do? 278 00:14:13.379 --> 00:14:17.820 Humans are flawed creatures and try not to be quite so flawed. 279 00:14:17.940 --> 00:14:20.759 And it's more than that, isn't it? 280 00:14:20.820 --> 00:14:26.340 Because it's her attitude, her attitude and rest tax attitude. 281 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:34.679 It's the most belligerent and unreasonable people who are 282 00:14:34.679 --> 00:14:37.320 accommodated in the final decision. 283 00:14:37.379 --> 00:14:42.059 And so we have a situation here where 2 groups of people have 284 00:14:42.059 --> 00:14:44.279 equal claim to the land. 285 00:14:44.399 --> 00:14:47.279 They're trying to work out. 286 00:14:47.340 --> 00:14:48.360 There's this speech. 287 00:14:48.419 --> 00:14:54.419 The doctor gives this speech where he tells Eldane and Nazarene 288 00:14:54.419 --> 00:14:59.159 and Amy to be bold and be imaginative and think about the future 289 00:14:59.159 --> 00:15:03.539 and Murray puts the 11th doctor, sort of hero music over that. 290 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:04.679 It's a great moment. 291 00:15:04.740 --> 00:15:08.519 And what happens, we better not do anything for a 1000 years 292 00:15:08.519 --> 00:15:12.000 because it will upset all of the racists in this story. 293 00:15:12.059 --> 00:15:18.299 And it's just that tedious centrism of chibnal that just 294 00:15:18.299 --> 00:15:21.480 infuriates me, just makes me infuriated. 295 00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:25.559 And and like maybe Doctor Who doesn't want to do. 296 00:15:25.620 --> 00:15:27.179 You mentioned this last week, Eric. 297 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:30.779 Maybe Doctor Who doesn't want to have a world where there are 298 00:15:30.779 --> 00:15:36.659 Silurians living in you know, deserts or whatever, uh, in 299 00:15:36.659 --> 00:15:38.159 settlements in the future. 300 00:15:38.220 --> 00:15:43.320 But then you're just setting the story up to be a failure where 301 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:46.679 nothing happens and nothing happens in a much, much less 302 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:51.179 interesting way. than the way in which nothing happened in 1970. 303 00:15:51.539 --> 00:15:57.299 Yeah, I do think, I do think, uh, since we had a discussion, uh, uh 304 00:15:57.299 --> 00:16:00.539 on last week's episode, I did think about the fact that Moffat 305 00:16:00.539 --> 00:16:04.500 would revisit this idea of integrating an alien race into human 306 00:16:04.500 --> 00:16:08.639 society with Zigons and actually do something with it, do 307 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:12.419 something, both actually have it happen, have them negotiate a 308 00:16:12.419 --> 00:16:16.080 peace treaty, and then follow up and see how that's doing a few 309 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:16.620 years later. 310 00:16:16.679 --> 00:16:20.940 Um, in a way that here, yeah, it's exactly this sort of, well, in 311 00:16:20.940 --> 00:16:23.580 a 1000 years from now, we're, we're all going to be better. 312 00:16:23.820 --> 00:16:25.320 Sure. 313 00:16:25.379 --> 00:16:26.639 Okay, if you say so. 314 00:16:27.960 --> 00:16:31.559 It's like going 0 carbon by 2050. 315 00:16:31.799 --> 00:16:34.139 You know, it won't cost us anything because we'll be dead. 316 00:16:47.700 --> 00:16:52.980 The thing is, I find with that, it's kind of a quiet indictment of 317 00:16:52.980 --> 00:16:57.299 humanity, because as much as we've got that voiceover at the 318 00:16:57.299 --> 00:17:00.539 beginning hinting at what is going to happen or not happen in this 319 00:17:00.539 --> 00:17:04.079 episode, Nazarene at the very beginning of negotiation says, we 320 00:17:04.079 --> 00:17:06.299 can't even feed everyone who's on the planet. 321 00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:09.779 And it's like, well, actually, mathematically, you can, but also 322 00:17:09.779 --> 00:17:11.579 mathematically capitalism. 323 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:16.500 Um, So, you know, it's kind of set up from the beginning that the 324 00:17:16.500 --> 00:17:21.240 failure of this is going to be down to selfishness. 325 00:17:21.420 --> 00:17:26.579 Um, and also, you know, the the other thing is, you know, I agree 326 00:17:26.579 --> 00:17:30.180 that accommodating the violent threat is wrong, but also you're 327 00:17:30.180 --> 00:17:32.940 accommodating a violent threat, who do have heat rays that can 328 00:17:32.940 --> 00:17:34.980 just totally kill you in a 2nd. 329 00:17:35.039 --> 00:17:40.380 And so The thing is, then the doctor takes the reins back, which I 330 00:17:40.380 --> 00:17:41.339 think is kind of weird. 331 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:44.700 I think you could have had Nazarene stay in charge with that and 332 00:17:44.700 --> 00:17:48.180 Nasrene and Eldane go, neither of our species are ready. 333 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:51.779 And the thing is, Eldane is just representing one city. 334 00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:54.059 Nazreen is just representing one community. 335 00:17:54.119 --> 00:17:56.400 So it's flawed anyway, but at least that way it's the 336 00:17:56.400 --> 00:17:59.099 representatives of the 2 species talking about it. 337 00:17:59.279 --> 00:18:03.359 The other problem I have with that negotiation scene is Amy's 338 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:04.079 proposed solution. 339 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:08.220 Taking land off indigenous people and giving it to Silurian. 340 00:18:08.279 --> 00:18:09.119 Yeah pretty much. 341 00:18:09.240 --> 00:18:12.960 It's like, even in 2010, it's like, they can use the Australian 342 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:16.799 outback and I just went, ooh, and I was living in London and my 343 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:17.759 housemate's like, what? 344 00:18:17.819 --> 00:18:18.059 What? 345 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:18.539 am I? 346 00:18:18.539 --> 00:18:22.140 and, um, Do you know that people live in the Australian app? 347 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:23.099 No. 348 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:24.779 I'm like, well, they do. 349 00:18:24.839 --> 00:18:28.200 And then this time when I watch it, I think because I was so 350 00:18:28.200 --> 00:18:30.180 shocked with that, it never occurred to me that they also 351 00:18:30.180 --> 00:18:33.599 mentioned the Sahara Desert, which has like 2000000 people in it 352 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:34.799 who are nomadic tribes. 353 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:38.160 Yes, I think some people might own Nirvada as well. 354 00:18:38.220 --> 00:18:43.559 Like, uh, it's, uh, you know, it, it is a child's storybook 355 00:18:43.559 --> 00:18:44.519 solution. 356 00:18:44.759 --> 00:18:49.500 And if Amy had suggested that, but then Nasreen turned around and 357 00:18:49.500 --> 00:18:51.299 said, you do know there's people living there. 358 00:18:51.299 --> 00:18:55.319 And Eldane could say, well, we can negotiate directly with them 359 00:18:55.319 --> 00:18:57.000 but this is an idea and a start. 360 00:18:57.059 --> 00:18:59.819 That's something, but it's just lazy. 361 00:18:59.880 --> 00:19:04.500 Oh, but, but the thing is, right, that the, the Silurians are all 362 00:19:04.500 --> 00:19:10.259 about questions of colonialism and settler societies and and, and 363 00:19:10.259 --> 00:19:10.859 all of that. 364 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:14.039 Who has who has a proper sort of claim to the land? 365 00:19:14.099 --> 00:19:17.279 And what does the doctor tell the Silurians? 366 00:19:17.339 --> 00:19:21.119 You don't have a claim now because these people have come along 367 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:21.660 later? 368 00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:24.779 Things have changed and these people are here now. 369 00:19:24.839 --> 00:19:29.819 And then that, the sort of tone deaf failure, to even take 370 00:19:29.819 --> 00:19:32.579 indigenous peoples into account in the solution? 371 00:19:32.700 --> 00:19:34.140 I just think it's bad. 372 00:19:34.680 --> 00:19:38.819 I think it's, I think it's, I, you know, I think I said last week 373 00:19:38.819 --> 00:19:43.380 that the sort of, uh, the 1970s salarian story ends up sort of 374 00:19:43.380 --> 00:19:44.220 raising a problem. 375 00:19:44.279 --> 00:19:46.799 It is in not any way capable of addressing. 376 00:19:46.859 --> 00:19:48.539 And the same thing happens here. 377 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:52.740 It's like the Silurians are, would be, were they to be real, would 378 00:19:52.740 --> 00:19:57.480 be a massive, huge earth shattering sort of problem to try to 379 00:19:57.480 --> 00:20:01.740 confront that would bring out probably both the best and worst of 380 00:20:01.740 --> 00:20:03.119 both kinds of species. 381 00:20:03.180 --> 00:20:06.660 And they're trying to do something with 3 people around a table 382 00:20:06.660 --> 00:20:11.700 negotiating on behalf of 2 completely separate, you know, species. 383 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:14.339 It's like, this is not how this would happen. 384 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:17.460 It's never going to work this way, and you're going to get a very 385 00:20:17.460 --> 00:20:21.480 limited basic sort of simplistic view of what this would actually 386 00:20:21.480 --> 00:20:24.059 look like to do it this way, which means that things like 387 00:20:24.059 --> 00:20:28.079 considering indigenous peoples, the fact that there is not a 388 00:20:28.079 --> 00:20:32.700 spokesman for the human race, there are 150, whatever it is 389 00:20:32.700 --> 00:20:36.420 nations on earth, plus all the sort of indigenous tribes that are 390 00:20:36.420 --> 00:20:38.279 semi-autonomous, or fully autonomous. 391 00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:38.940 Like, this is not. 392 00:20:39.059 --> 00:20:43.619 This is not how any of this works, and it's tremendously 393 00:20:43.619 --> 00:20:47.400 frustrating, especially because you know it's not going to result 394 00:20:47.400 --> 00:20:48.299 in the end. 395 00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:52.500 You know, you know the entire time as a viewer that Aleia is 396 00:20:52.500 --> 00:20:53.039 dead. 397 00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:56.519 It's like, well, Okay. 398 00:20:56.579 --> 00:20:58.079 This is all pointless. 399 00:20:58.200 --> 00:20:59.519 Why are we watching this again? 400 00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:01.079 Exactly. 401 00:21:01.140 --> 00:21:04.019 I just I just don't buy the whole negotiation thing right from the 402 00:21:04.019 --> 00:21:04.200 start. 403 00:21:04.259 --> 00:21:07.619 Now, for all the reasons that you have pointed out, which I didn't 404 00:21:07.619 --> 00:21:11.759 necessarily think about at the time, but just having like these 2 405 00:21:11.759 --> 00:21:16.200 women and a solurian in the room that can just really just resolve 406 00:21:16.200 --> 00:21:16.619 all of this? 407 00:21:16.680 --> 00:21:18.420 Like, I mean, I just don't buy it. 408 00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:19.500 I just don't buy it. 409 00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:23.339 You know, I get the impression that whatever they come up with 410 00:21:23.339 --> 00:21:24.599 it's not legally binding. 411 00:21:24.660 --> 00:21:28.380 It's like, okay, you know, we'll we'll take this to God. 412 00:21:28.440 --> 00:21:31.500 Oh, God, it's 20, it's 2020. 413 00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:33.299 We'll take this to Boris Johnson. 414 00:21:34.380 --> 00:21:36.539 And Donald Trump. 415 00:21:36.599 --> 00:21:38.519 Oh my god. 416 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:40.500 And hold on. 417 00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:42.720 Yes, no, it was Scott Morrison in 2020. 418 00:21:42.839 --> 00:21:44.460 It gets hard to keep track of over here. 419 00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:48.720 Um, The thing is, the, the whole thing with, you know, we know 420 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:49.920 Alaya's dead. 421 00:21:49.980 --> 00:21:50.940 I think I mentioned this last week. 422 00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:55.259 I actually quite, I think the dramatic irony of that, that we as 423 00:21:55.259 --> 00:21:58.680 the viewer know something that the doctor doesn't, is very well 424 00:21:58.680 --> 00:22:02.160 played, and we do have that awful moment you alluded to last week 425 00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:05.940 Nathan, where someone comes in and shouts, stop, so no one gets 426 00:22:05.940 --> 00:22:06.539 executed. 427 00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:10.019 But I think Matt Smith on the screen afterwards is hilarious. 428 00:22:10.079 --> 00:22:11.579 Todd is waving frantically. 429 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:12.779 Yes, yes. 430 00:22:12.839 --> 00:22:16.799 Like, Eldane walks in and says, stop Amy's execution. 431 00:22:16.859 --> 00:22:17.880 We've never seen him before. 432 00:22:17.940 --> 00:22:22.140 It's just this miracle to get out the device of the pot because 433 00:22:22.140 --> 00:22:24.059 we've woken him up because we need it. 434 00:22:24.119 --> 00:22:26.519 Yeah, no, absolute say word era sort of stuff. 435 00:22:26.579 --> 00:22:28.200 I'm hating this more. 436 00:22:28.259 --> 00:22:29.579 My marks are going down. 437 00:22:29.640 --> 00:22:34.140 But, you know, when even when Restac calls them up on what was 438 00:22:34.140 --> 00:22:38.220 meant to be a broken down all in one iMac, like from when they 439 00:22:38.220 --> 00:22:40.920 relaunch, that was was what was suggested in the script. 440 00:22:40.980 --> 00:22:46.680 Um, when Restat calls them, they all, before they go, go on the 441 00:22:46.680 --> 00:22:48.180 call, they're like, we don't tell her what's happened. 442 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:50.759 We don't, and then the doctor comes on and says, and bring a layer 443 00:22:50.759 --> 00:22:54.119 with you, and everyone's just like, Oh, dear. 444 00:23:03.180 --> 00:23:07.259 I think I can possibly get behind it just because I, um, I feel 445 00:23:07.259 --> 00:23:09.000 all the actors in this are very good. 446 00:23:09.059 --> 00:23:14.339 And I think even Ambrose, whom, you know, you don't like for what 447 00:23:14.339 --> 00:23:14.880 she's done. 448 00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:18.660 The actress does a great job of performing a role you don't like. 449 00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:19.559 Yeah sure. 450 00:23:19.619 --> 00:23:24.240 And something I'm finding as I go through this season is I am 451 00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:30.660 liking Amy a lot more than I did in 2010 and then I think in 2014 452 00:23:30.660 --> 00:23:32.819 2015 is when I did the great journey of life and watched 453 00:23:32.819 --> 00:23:34.920 everything through and I really didn't like Amy. 454 00:23:34.980 --> 00:23:36.779 I like Karen Gill and in other things. 455 00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:40.859 Um, That's how I know she's a good actress because I like her and 456 00:23:40.859 --> 00:23:41.579 I don't like the character. 457 00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:44.700 But I'm actually really liking her here. 458 00:23:44.759 --> 00:23:48.960 What I didn't like was I felt there was a lack of vulnerability. 459 00:23:49.019 --> 00:23:53.279 But we get that here because yeah, she's she's about to be 460 00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:55.859 vivisected and whatnot, but she does not stop talking. 461 00:23:55.859 --> 00:24:00.839 And she's doing the sort of Wendy Padring Katie Manning thing of 462 00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:04.680 being brave and scared at the same time. you know, which is which 463 00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:05.400 is essential. 464 00:24:05.460 --> 00:24:10.799 And the other thing I kind of like is when she and Mo find Elliot 465 00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:13.500 and Mo says, we're going to go get some weapons. 466 00:24:13.619 --> 00:24:17.700 It's kind of like, you know, if that was Donna or Rose or Martha 467 00:24:17.700 --> 00:24:19.740 they would go, oh, no, no weapons, we don't do weapons. 468 00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:21.119 The doctor says we don't do weapons. 469 00:24:21.180 --> 00:24:24.059 Whereas Amy is more like, um, yeah, okay. 470 00:24:24.119 --> 00:24:28.859 I think she visibly kind of just in her facial expression 471 00:24:28.859 --> 00:24:31.140 expresses reservations about that. 472 00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:35.700 Yes, but it looks like she just doesn't want to kind of contradict 473 00:24:35.700 --> 00:24:37.019 him, which kind of fair enough. 474 00:24:37.019 --> 00:24:37.920 It's his kid. 475 00:24:37.980 --> 00:24:40.619 Yeah, and she does then take one. 476 00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:42.839 But when she's given the chance to fire it, the whole character 477 00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:45.240 point is that she's not going to shoot someone in the face. 478 00:24:45.900 --> 00:24:51.539 It's interesting that you've brought up Amy and Karen because I've 479 00:24:51.539 --> 00:24:55.559 mentioned it a number of times already that I did not like her 480 00:24:55.559 --> 00:24:58.859 performances, Amy, and I did not like Amy throughout this entire 481 00:24:58.859 --> 00:24:59.400 season. 482 00:24:59.460 --> 00:25:02.579 And I'm really liking her performance so much more. 483 00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:07.799 And and I'm liking Amy a lot more, um, except in Vampires of 484 00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:09.720 Venice, where I think there's a lot of disservice to that 485 00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:10.259 character. 486 00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:13.619 But I've mentioned that already a few weeks ago. 487 00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:18.480 But yeah, here again, I actually am liking Karen and what she's 488 00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:19.619 actually bringing to the role. 489 00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:21.359 I think she's good. 490 00:25:21.420 --> 00:25:24.480 I'm a big fan and kind of always have been. 491 00:25:24.539 --> 00:25:26.339 I love this TARDIS team. 492 00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:29.880 I've said it before this year that the 3 of them, 3 sort of 493 00:25:29.880 --> 00:25:33.660 reasonably attractive young people who all have really sort of 494 00:25:33.660 --> 00:25:35.099 good chemistry and like one another. 495 00:25:35.220 --> 00:25:36.299 Lovely hair. 496 00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:37.200 Lovely hair. 497 00:25:37.259 --> 00:25:40.859 It's a version of the Tartis crew that I actually really like a 498 00:25:40.859 --> 00:25:41.220 great deal. 499 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:43.740 And I think Arthur does a really good job. 500 00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:46.500 I mean, although he's not as prominent as last week, even in all 501 00:25:46.500 --> 00:25:49.799 those sequences up on the surface, having to deal with the 502 00:25:49.799 --> 00:25:52.740 ramifications, I think he's actually really, really good in all of 503 00:25:52.740 --> 00:25:52.980 those. 504 00:25:53.039 --> 00:25:56.759 Yeah, I actually quite like this grouping as well, and I think 505 00:25:56.759 --> 00:26:01.799 they all, yeah, as we said, Rory gets more to do in Hungary or 506 00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:06.839 certainly, but he's still, he's still around and sort of trying 507 00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:07.500 it's interesting. 508 00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:11.880 Both Rory and Amy are sort of trying and failing to be the doctor 509 00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:12.720 in some way. 510 00:26:12.779 --> 00:26:16.619 Like Rory is trying to sort of keep people from shooting each 511 00:26:16.619 --> 00:26:20.160 other and murdering the innocent, not the innocent, murdering the 512 00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:25.019 captured combatant, and Amy is trying and failing to keep people 513 00:26:25.019 --> 00:26:28.019 from resorting to guns when they're running around an alien base. 514 00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:33.779 Um, it is interesting to see that both of them, while they kind of 515 00:26:33.779 --> 00:26:36.180 think they can handle things maybe a little bit more than they 516 00:26:36.180 --> 00:26:41.339 actually can, the story makes it very clear that actually, That 517 00:26:41.339 --> 00:26:45.900 they are also flawed, um, and, you know, Mo saying they have my 518 00:26:45.900 --> 00:26:50.099 son is enough for Amy to brush aside her concerns about weapons 519 00:26:50.099 --> 00:26:54.839 and Rory clearly also has enough understanding of where Ambrose is 520 00:26:54.839 --> 00:26:58.559 coming from, but he he does not do anything to punish her. 521 00:26:58.619 --> 00:27:01.680 Like, he does not like, okay, you get tied up and changed now and 522 00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:04.559 we hand you over to the Salurians as an exchange. 523 00:27:04.619 --> 00:27:07.799 Like, which is something that I would have proposed. 524 00:27:07.859 --> 00:27:10.740 I'd have been like, okay, you, she murdered your one of you. 525 00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:11.339 You take her now. 526 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:12.000 She's yours. 527 00:27:12.059 --> 00:27:12.299 Here. 528 00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:20.759 See, something I said months ago on the beast below is I don't 529 00:27:20.759 --> 00:27:25.740 like the doctor in the moment where he screams at Amy for not 530 00:27:25.740 --> 00:27:29.279 telling him about the star whale and blah, blah, and I thought 531 00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:30.420 like that was a bad choice. 532 00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:34.680 So here, when people fail him, he makes it clear that he's not 533 00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:37.920 happy with them, but he also makes it clear that. 534 00:27:38.099 --> 00:27:41.640 They're human and well, he may not approve of what they do 535 00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:47.279 especially with, say, Ambrose, um, that, He. 536 00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:52.380 He understands why what happened happened kind of thing. 537 00:27:52.500 --> 00:27:58.619 And I also think that feeds into the inevitability of this story 538 00:27:58.619 --> 00:28:02.099 because again, there were scenes cut from this episode, and one 539 00:28:02.099 --> 00:28:07.500 scene, and you may have seen a picture of this floating around. 540 00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:08.940 It has been floating around for a few years. 541 00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:11.640 I think it was even released officially by the BBC's publicity 542 00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:15.119 before they realised they'd cut this scene out, where Rory brings 543 00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:16.799 a layer, a tray of food. 544 00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:17.880 Oh, okay. 545 00:28:17.940 --> 00:28:21.839 And it's like a bowl of cereal and a banana and juice and milk and 546 00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:22.859 Ape food. 547 00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:23.940 Ape food, yeah. 548 00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:26.220 And she's like, she's basically, I don't want egg food. 549 00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:27.059 Why would I want to eat food? 550 00:28:27.180 --> 00:28:28.980 And they have a discussion about faith. 551 00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:30.119 Wow. 552 00:28:30.180 --> 00:28:34.619 And she's basically, oh, like, yeah, kind of like the vest perform 553 00:28:34.619 --> 00:28:37.019 you primitive apes with your tribal sky gods. 554 00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:37.859 We been observing you. 555 00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:40.440 We've been looking at your communications and we see that. 556 00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:44.640 And but Rory, Rory doesn't directly say that he has faith. 557 00:28:44.700 --> 00:28:48.180 He actually talks about his dad, but he's like, this is why humans 558 00:28:48.180 --> 00:28:51.960 have faith and he tries to get to know her and understand her and 559 00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:54.660 even says to her, the skin on your face is so different. 560 00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:56.039 May I touch your face? 561 00:28:56.099 --> 00:28:57.299 Ooh, creepy. 562 00:28:57.359 --> 00:28:58.319 Which is creepy. 563 00:28:58.319 --> 00:28:59.700 And she says, why? 564 00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:01.980 And he says, I'm a nurse if anything goes wrong. 565 00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:05.519 And that's why he knows how to feel for a pulse later. 566 00:29:05.579 --> 00:29:07.500 But, you know, that's a that's an instinctual thing. 567 00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:10.680 Um, but again, that's also slightly insensitive from Jubile. 568 00:29:10.740 --> 00:29:13.680 If you're chained up, can I touch your face kind of thing, which 569 00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:15.299 could be another reason it was cut. 570 00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:21.720 But as such, there's a lot in this that is building up to, and I 571 00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:23.940 know we'll come back to this later, but it is building up to 572 00:29:23.940 --> 00:29:28.380 Rory's death because there's a few conversations he has where he's 573 00:29:28.380 --> 00:29:30.299 like, I won't allow that to happen. 574 00:29:30.299 --> 00:29:34.200 And it's like, okay, the implication to this is over my dead 575 00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:34.619 body. 576 00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:36.180 Oh dear, you're gonna die. 577 00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:41.400 And when Arthur Darville got the script for this, Because the way 578 00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:44.220 the production blocks worked is he's in one episode of the next 579 00:29:44.220 --> 00:29:48.299 block of two, then it's the Pandora opens Big Bang and then he's 580 00:29:48.299 --> 00:29:51.660 in another episode at the end, he hadn't had the script for the 581 00:29:51.660 --> 00:29:55.019 finale yet, he said, he said in an interview, I know I'm filming 582 00:29:55.019 --> 00:29:55.319 more. 583 00:29:55.380 --> 00:30:01.619 At the time of getting this script, I don't know if this death is 584 00:30:01.619 --> 00:30:02.160 permanent. 585 00:30:02.220 --> 00:30:05.700 So at the time he recorded this, he didn't know about the Pandora 586 00:30:05.700 --> 00:30:07.380 Opens and Big Bang Twist. 587 00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:07.980 Right. 588 00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:13.980 So, and I think that is the most sensible idea because it informs 589 00:30:13.980 --> 00:30:15.119 the actor's performance. 590 00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:18.480 If they if they know that this is a temporary death and they're 591 00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:18.839 coming back. 592 00:30:19.259 --> 00:30:22.079 They're not going to play it like a real death. 593 00:30:22.140 --> 00:30:27.420 And the thing is, this had impact back then, people believed it 594 00:30:27.420 --> 00:30:30.059 for a few weeks that he was really dead. 595 00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:31.079 Did they? 596 00:30:31.259 --> 00:30:33.359 In in the UK they did. 597 00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:35.160 As I recall. 598 00:30:35.220 --> 00:30:36.359 I did. 599 00:30:36.420 --> 00:30:37.319 I believed it. 600 00:30:37.380 --> 00:30:38.700 Did you? 601 00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:39.420 I didn't. 602 00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:40.440 I thought no, he's coming back. 603 00:30:40.500 --> 00:30:41.940 Well, because he died last week. 604 00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:43.740 Yes, death number two. 605 00:30:43.799 --> 00:30:46.799 I just kind of went, you know, okay, he's died and then we're 606 00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:47.880 keeping the engagement ring. 607 00:30:47.940 --> 00:30:48.960 Why would that still be there? 608 00:30:49.019 --> 00:30:50.579 And I just went, no, there's something here. 609 00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:58.079 I am someone who doesn't think that Rory dies too often and that 610 00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:06.059 actually likes this idea, even though I'm not sold on the 611 00:31:06.059 --> 00:31:09.059 execution of the actual death. 612 00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:14.460 So, So it's a Meglos episode 4 death, isn't it? 613 00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:19.259 It's Jacqueline Hill gets killed by a random person who we thought 614 00:31:19.259 --> 00:31:19.920 was dead. 615 00:31:19.980 --> 00:31:23.880 She leaps in front of the doctor for some reason and then gets 616 00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:26.519 shot and we do that exactly again. 617 00:31:26.579 --> 00:31:28.619 Nothing really has been leading up to it. 618 00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:31.140 We didn't need to see Rastak again. 619 00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:33.779 She could have just sort of died or whatever. 620 00:31:33.900 --> 00:31:39.240 But instead, we have her turn up just for the express purpose of 621 00:31:39.240 --> 00:31:42.180 killing Rory for the purpose of this scene. 622 00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:44.220 And the crack. 623 00:31:44.220 --> 00:31:46.680 Yeah, and then the sort of crack comes along. 624 00:31:46.740 --> 00:31:48.720 But I mean, what's happening here? 625 00:31:48.779 --> 00:31:53.220 We've talked about this season's arc, which is Amy runs off with 626 00:31:53.220 --> 00:31:56.579 her childhood friend the night before her wedding, the whole thing 627 00:31:56.579 --> 00:32:01.740 is about childhood and adulthood, and we're going to get to the 628 00:32:01.740 --> 00:32:06.839 point where she accepts adulthood goes through with the wedding 629 00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:09.960 and then decides actually that's not good enough and I'm going to 630 00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:11.579 have childhood as well. 631 00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:12.900 And that happens in the finale. 632 00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:17.759 Here, I think, we're at the point where the doctor has tried to 633 00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:23.819 course correct in vampires of Venice and sort of Amy's choice and 634 00:32:23.819 --> 00:32:25.259 things look like they're going well. 635 00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:29.039 And then Rory is killed and she can't even remember him. 636 00:32:29.099 --> 00:32:32.460 She's so completely rejected her adulthood. 637 00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:35.039 He's no longer someone that she even remembers. 638 00:32:35.099 --> 00:32:38.759 And so in a way, this is the point where the season kind of where 639 00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:43.680 her escape from her wedding goes horribly wrong and gets out of 640 00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:43.980 control. 641 00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:48.059 She's really, really good in these scenes, Karen. 642 00:32:48.180 --> 00:32:49.319 Do you? 643 00:32:49.380 --> 00:32:50.579 I think they're a bit overwrought. 644 00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:54.779 I think this is a time to go over overwrought though. 645 00:32:54.839 --> 00:33:00.240 And especially because she has been someone who is so cagey about 646 00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:04.440 her level of emotion for Rory, like her reaction last week to 647 00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:06.000 seeing themselves on the other heelers. 648 00:33:06.059 --> 00:33:07.619 It's 10 years and we're still together. 649 00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:10.980 Yeah, well, I think her last sort of proper words to him are wrong 650 00:33:10.980 --> 00:33:11.759 way idiot. 651 00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:12.839 Yeah, yeah. 652 00:33:12.900 --> 00:33:15.059 So I think it's actually fully appropriate. 653 00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:19.440 Yeah, because it's alluded to several times this season that the 654 00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:22.980 doctor leaving her as a child really messed her up. 655 00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:28.140 And so she puts on a very fierce exterior, but actually she's 656 00:33:28.140 --> 00:33:28.799 quite hurt. 657 00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:33.900 And yeah, and getting through and getting through her life and not 658 00:33:33.900 --> 00:33:35.099 letting that stop her. 659 00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:39.960 But this moment opens up the floodgates of that trauma. 660 00:33:40.019 --> 00:33:44.099 And I think once we see sort of real, the real depth of despair 661 00:33:44.099 --> 00:33:44.880 from a companion. 662 00:33:45.299 --> 00:33:46.680 Yeah. 663 00:33:46.740 --> 00:33:51.660 No, I actually, I'm inclined to think that maybe it is a bit big 664 00:33:51.660 --> 00:33:54.779 but I'm fine with big because it's a big emotional moment. 665 00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:58.079 I find myself actually rather affected, even though I know how the 666 00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:02.759 rest of the season goes and and everything because partly because 667 00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:06.900 I thought Darvel's performance as dying Rory was actually 668 00:34:06.900 --> 00:34:08.099 tremendously effective. 669 00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:13.619 Uh, and because Matt Smith was really playing the genuine idea 670 00:34:13.619 --> 00:34:17.159 that Matt, I believed that Matt Smith didn't know how the season 671 00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:18.300 was going to turn out. 672 00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:22.320 And so the doctor really seemed to be believing, I need to keep 673 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:25.860 Rory alive in Amy's memory because otherwise I don't know how I'm 674 00:34:25.860 --> 00:34:26.519 going to bring him back. 675 00:34:26.579 --> 00:34:31.559 Uh, and so, yeah, I quite, I quite found that whole thing uh, quite 676 00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:32.219 emotionally. 677 00:34:32.460 --> 00:34:37.860 Touching, I would have preferred it without the uh, portentous 678 00:34:37.860 --> 00:34:41.820 voiceover from Eldane about all the doctor's losses and all the 679 00:34:41.820 --> 00:34:44.639 doctor's losses yet to come, which is just ripping off what they 680 00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:46.380 say to Donna at the end of season four. 681 00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:49.800 Um, it's how does he know? 682 00:34:49.860 --> 00:34:51.539 How did they know any of this? 683 00:34:51.659 --> 00:34:53.460 Yeah, yeah. 684 00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:55.800 Well, he's the narrator at that point, I think, probably. 685 00:34:55.860 --> 00:35:03.300 But Matt's urgency about making sure that Amy remembers Rory is 686 00:35:03.300 --> 00:35:03.659 right. 687 00:35:03.780 --> 00:35:05.940 Rory comes back because Amy remembers him. 688 00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:24.239 There is quite a few things going on here at the end. 689 00:35:24.300 --> 00:35:29.460 We get that really pathetic stock explosion of the... 690 00:35:29.460 --> 00:35:30.119 Big mining thing? 691 00:35:30.179 --> 00:35:31.199 Oh, I think it's terrible. 692 00:35:31.260 --> 00:35:32.099 I love it. 693 00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:34.079 Yeah, that looks a bit Sarah Jane Adventures. 694 00:35:34.139 --> 00:35:35.940 No, I agree with not an insult. 695 00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:37.380 It is sometimes. 696 00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:42.119 You said last week how good the actual plant looked, but I think 697 00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:45.119 the explosion this week looks as cheap as tacky as anything 698 00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:45.900 right? 699 00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:48.780 And of course, then we get the wonderful moment where Amy gets to 700 00:35:48.780 --> 00:35:50.579 say hello to herself up on the heel. 701 00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:51.179 Yeah, great. 702 00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:52.920 I care back to 0 from me. 703 00:35:52.980 --> 00:35:55.619 And of course, then the doctor's got a piece of the TARDIS to 704 00:35:55.619 --> 00:35:58.559 reveal so we can all go ooh ah, which actually I really like. 705 00:35:58.619 --> 00:35:59.940 I think that's amazing. 706 00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:00.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 707 00:36:01.019 --> 00:36:10.079 That was a huge thing in in 2010 in in the year 2010 AD. No, it 708 00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:10.320 was. 709 00:36:10.380 --> 00:36:13.500 That moment is you are literally there going, 0 my goodness, what 710 00:36:13.500 --> 00:36:14.880 is really going on with this crack? 711 00:36:14.940 --> 00:36:17.340 Like I really, I was blown away by that. 712 00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:20.400 It doesn't save the episode, which has gone down 2 points, I'd 713 00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:20.940 like to tell. 714 00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:22.920 So we're down to a 4 out of 10. 715 00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:31.980 Can I just say, I would love later this year for, um, Tardis lands 716 00:36:31.980 --> 00:36:33.420 on a street? 717 00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:36.599 Dr. Yaz, step out. 718 00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:38.940 Doctor, why there, lizard men? 719 00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:40.559 Oh, it's 3020. 720 00:36:40.739 --> 00:36:42.239 It worked. 721 00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:42.960 Nice. 722 00:36:43.019 --> 00:36:46.860 Unfortunately, though, Stephen Moore passed away 2 years ago. 723 00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:49.500 So we won't, we won't be seeing Eldane's outlet. 724 00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:51.900 But we could have, um, we could have Nasrene back. 725 00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:53.099 We could have Miraciel. 726 00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:54.420 That'd be awesome. 727 00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:59.940 And to top it all off, this was the result of several years of 728 00:36:59.940 --> 00:37:03.480 Miraciel getting her agent to contact the Doctor Who production 729 00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:04.739 office and saying, let me in. 730 00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:10.860 And it looks like part of part of what got her in was she she was 731 00:37:10.860 --> 00:37:11.460 in Jekyll. 732 00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:12.539 Ah. 733 00:37:12.539 --> 00:37:15.000 She was in Stephen Moffatt's Jekyll. 734 00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:19.860 So, um, and with the greatest of respect to Olivia Common, I'm so 735 00:37:19.860 --> 00:37:22.980 glad that she got a meteor role than Olivia Coleman did. 736 00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:25.800 Although Olivia played that role perfectly well. 737 00:37:25.860 --> 00:37:29.940 I'm so glad to have Mira Ciel all throughout this, and it's, and 738 00:37:29.940 --> 00:37:33.780 again, the bit where she decides to stay with Tony and going to 739 00:37:33.780 --> 00:37:38.159 hibernation, that could have been sickly sweet and overwrought, yes 740 00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:38.460 Todd? 741 00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:41.699 Yes, completely twee, but she's great in this episode despite 742 00:37:41.699 --> 00:37:43.260 everything else going on around her. 743 00:37:43.260 --> 00:37:47.519 And that sells that moment and I really, I think it's a beautiful 744 00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:50.880 ending for her and Tony, I guess, in a way, like the best that we 745 00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:53.579 can make out of this entire Chris Chibnall script. 746 00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:58.380 Yeah, it's all a bit kind of let's tidy them away at the end and 747 00:37:58.380 --> 00:37:58.679 stuff. 748 00:37:58.739 --> 00:38:03.900 I mean, that whole resolution is so sort of horribly disappointing 749 00:38:03.900 --> 00:38:06.239 you know, and we get another countdown. 750 00:38:06.300 --> 00:38:10.679 You know, like it's 12 minutes until the drill hits us in 10 751 00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:14.940 minutes until the poison gas goes through the city and like it is 752 00:38:14.940 --> 00:38:17.940 all just incredibly rose, I think. 753 00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:19.260 Yeah. 754 00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:21.059 No, I completely agree with that. 755 00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:25.079 I find it, um, it's a, it's a sort of climax that needs to either 756 00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:28.679 put all the toys back in the box or find new boxes for the toys, uh 757 00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:31.800 without creating any actual significant change, the status quo 758 00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:36.539 because I said Lurians are too big of a problem in some way for 759 00:38:36.539 --> 00:38:39.900 Doctor Who to actually effectively and properly handle. 760 00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:43.800 And so, Gymnal just does, okay, everything goes back to normal and 761 00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:48.539 again, as we said, a 1000 years later, it'll humanity will be fine 762 00:38:48.539 --> 00:38:52.619 and these, uh, these lizard people will all be fine and everything 763 00:38:52.619 --> 00:38:53.099 will be great. 764 00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:58.139 On that, Eric, um, with, you know, the the whole thing of they're 765 00:38:58.139 --> 00:38:59.039 going to wake up in the future. 766 00:38:59.099 --> 00:39:02.519 Um, and you know, we've put all the toys back in the box. 767 00:39:02.579 --> 00:39:08.880 That whole voiceover kind of reminds me of the final Planet of the 768 00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:13.380 Apes film in the original 1970s run of the films called Battle for 769 00:39:13.380 --> 00:39:18.719 the Planet of the Apes, which ends with A few 100 years in the 770 00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:23.340 future, um, ape children and human children learning the history 771 00:39:23.340 --> 00:39:26.579 of how the humans and the apes made peace alongside each other a 772 00:39:26.579 --> 00:39:27.360 1000 years ago. 773 00:39:27.420 --> 00:39:31.019 And it's a really mawkish ending because the children aren't very 774 00:39:31.019 --> 00:39:36.360 good, and then the camera pans across to a statue of Roddy 775 00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:40.920 McDowell's ape, and a tear comes out of the statue because all of 776 00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:42.179 the cycle could begin again. 777 00:39:42.900 --> 00:39:46.260 The thing is, when I 1st saw this episode, I hadn't seen that 778 00:39:46.260 --> 00:39:49.320 movie and now I have, I think it's a direct crib from that. 779 00:39:49.380 --> 00:39:53.039 And that final Planet of the Apes movie actually is pretty good 780 00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:56.760 until you get to that moment and the screenwriters tried to get 781 00:39:56.760 --> 00:39:59.460 their name taken off it because they didn't write that. 782 00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:07.139 I just, you know, like I think had we seen it, had anything other 783 00:40:07.139 --> 00:40:11.579 than just voiceover saying that it was all going to be okay. 784 00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:15.659 You know, that might have helped, perhaps, but it's very 785 00:40:15.659 --> 00:40:19.500 unambitious in that it doesn't desire to really go anywhere. 786 00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:21.059 And I think that's the problem. 787 00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:21.780 Yeah. 788 00:40:22.139 --> 00:40:27.719 So do we think that Silurians can't be done anymore? 789 00:40:27.780 --> 00:40:28.380 Is that it? 790 00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:31.019 Can we never have another Silurian story? 791 00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:32.340 I don't know. 792 00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:36.360 I kind of think of them and the Santarans, like the Ferengi of 793 00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:40.860 Star Trek, where they tried to make them all menacing and 794 00:40:40.860 --> 00:40:43.860 everything, but they work much better when they're sort of out of 795 00:40:43.860 --> 00:40:44.340 character. 796 00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:49.079 Like, when it's Madame Bastra as a single detective solder in, that 797 00:40:49.079 --> 00:40:51.900 works really well, when it strikes in comedy mode, et cetera. 798 00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:54.599 That works really well, but as a collective, do they really work 799 00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:54.960 that well? 800 00:40:55.019 --> 00:40:55.500 I don't know. 801 00:40:55.559 --> 00:41:00.300 Maybe if they're just people, you know, maybe from now on, they 802 00:41:00.300 --> 00:41:06.179 appear and they're just people and we can't do the story again of 803 00:41:06.179 --> 00:41:10.500 how we work towards trying to find a way to share the planet and 804 00:41:10.500 --> 00:41:10.980 failing. 805 00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:14.820 Yeah, I think we don't need to jump a 1000 years ahead. 806 00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:17.880 We need to jump 1500 years ahead to where they've already been 807 00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:21.480 around for 500 years and the 2 societies are integrated. 808 00:41:21.539 --> 00:41:24.900 We just need the doctor to land on a spaceship that has humans and 809 00:41:24.900 --> 00:41:30.239 Silurians on it on the same crew, like, you know, Captain James T 810 00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:30.960 Silurian. 811 00:41:31.019 --> 00:41:31.619 Yeah. 812 00:41:31.619 --> 00:41:35.940 And, you know, his his his human crew and Niamh McIntosh as 813 00:41:35.940 --> 00:41:38.699 another Silorian, as the communications officer. 814 00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:42.480 You know, we just, we just need to get to the point where, yep, in 815 00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:46.019 the future, humans and homoreptilia are sharing the planet and 816 00:41:46.019 --> 00:41:46.739 everything's fine. 817 00:41:47.820 --> 00:41:52.860 So I have one more Silurian theory, um, which is this. 818 00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:57.599 Every time the Silurians appear, they get given a scientifically 819 00:41:57.599 --> 00:41:59.340 impossible new name. 820 00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:04.139 So if they were homo reptilia, like that makes no sense. 821 00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:08.159 No one who knows anything about the way species are named would 822 00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:11.099 like it just absolutely makes no sense. 823 00:42:11.159 --> 00:42:13.260 They can't be in the same genus as us. 824 00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:15.000 So that's absurd. 825 00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:18.900 And we tried with Silurians initially because it sounded cool and 826 00:42:18.900 --> 00:42:22.139 then we tried with EO scenes because that sounded cool as well. 827 00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:26.519 Um, I can't work out when they live because there are apes and 828 00:42:26.519 --> 00:42:30.780 like, who the hell knows what's even going on, apes and and 829 00:42:30.780 --> 00:42:32.940 tyrannosauruses and all sorts of things. 830 00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:34.440 But no moon. 831 00:42:34.500 --> 00:42:35.519 No moon. 832 00:42:35.579 --> 00:42:36.059 That's it. 833 00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:37.019 No egg. 834 00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:40.500 Sorry, but I'm jumping ahead of ourselves. 835 00:42:55.019 --> 00:42:57.539 All right, so it's part two of a two part story. 836 00:42:57.599 --> 00:42:58.739 God help us. 837 00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:02.639 And so it's time for picks of the week. 838 00:43:03.179 --> 00:43:04.739 Todd. 839 00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:08.519 My peak of the week is called Warriors of the Deep. 840 00:43:08.579 --> 00:43:11.760 It's a classic Doctor Who story that involves the Silurians. 841 00:43:11.820 --> 00:43:12.780 I think you'll just love it. 842 00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:14.579 Brilliant. 843 00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:15.300 We will. 844 00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:16.320 We promise we will. 845 00:43:16.380 --> 00:43:18.659 Um, Eric, do you have a pick of the week? 846 00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:20.820 I do have a pick of the week. 847 00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:23.099 It is not Doctor Who related, unfortunately. 848 00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:26.760 Uh, it is a Broadway musical called Natasha Pierre and the great 849 00:43:26.760 --> 00:43:29.820 comet of 1812, uh, written by Dave Malloy. 850 00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:33.900 It was on Broadway a few years ago now, about 2016, 2017. 851 00:43:34.139 --> 00:43:39.239 Um, and it is, um, it's something that's, I've, I love, and it's 852 00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:41.219 been a favour for a while, but I've been revisiting it recently. 853 00:43:41.219 --> 00:43:44.519 And it's just one of the most astounding works of human 854 00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:45.300 imagination. 855 00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:49.199 Essentially, Dave Malloy took a chunk of War and Peace, and 856 00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:53.159 musicalized it and using a ton of different styles, everything 857 00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:57.420 from traditional Russian music to electronic dance, and it's wild 858 00:43:57.420 --> 00:44:00.300 and incredible, and more people should check it up. 859 00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:02.340 So Natasha Pier and the Great Comed of 1812. 860 00:44:03.179 --> 00:44:04.800 Marvellous. 861 00:44:04.860 --> 00:44:06.719 Best peak of the weekend, I think. 862 00:44:06.780 --> 00:44:07.139 Yeah. 863 00:44:07.139 --> 00:44:08.699 Brendan. 864 00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:10.500 Yeah, I have a pick of the week. 865 00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:12.059 It is a Spotify playlist. 866 00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:18.960 And this is by the official steps, Spotify account, and it's 867 00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:22.739 heartbreaking the city, steps anti-Valentine's playlist. 868 00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:27.480 So it's a bunch of sad step songs, but being steps, you know 869 00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:29.699 there's also dance remixes of the sad songs. 870 00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:33.900 Um, and yeah, you can find it on Spotify. one hour and 11 minutes 871 00:44:33.900 --> 00:44:37.079 and Nathan, I will send you the link to put up on the website, just 872 00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:39.780 because I've been listening to that on the bus this week, and it's 873 00:44:39.780 --> 00:44:41.880 awesome. brilliant. 874 00:44:41.940 --> 00:44:44.579 All right, so I have 2 picks of the week. 875 00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:49.800 One is a former student of mine and a friend of his have started a 876 00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:53.820 podcast thereabout, sort of 25, 26 episodes in at the time of 877 00:44:53.820 --> 00:44:56.880 recording, and they are releasing regularly. 878 00:44:56.940 --> 00:44:58.679 It's called Pilot Club. 879 00:44:58.739 --> 00:45:05.579 And each week they look at 3 TV pilots that are from this year 880 00:45:05.579 --> 00:45:06.599 from the current year. 881 00:45:06.659 --> 00:45:12.780 So there's so much TV out there and a pilot from the past, they've 882 00:45:12.780 --> 00:45:17.340 done the prisoner and um, they did the Mary Tyler Moore show and 883 00:45:17.340 --> 00:45:18.960 and all sorts of things like that. 884 00:45:19.019 --> 00:45:24.900 Billy and Drew are both very sensitive and insightful critics. 885 00:45:25.019 --> 00:45:29.039 The show is extremely clever and it's absolutely worth listening 886 00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:29.400 to. 887 00:45:29.460 --> 00:45:35.880 The 2nd podcast is called a hamster with a blunt penknife, which 888 00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:41.639 is hosted by friend of the podcast, Joe Ford, and he gets guests 889 00:45:41.639 --> 00:45:48.179 on and gets them to pick a story and the 2 of them record a 890 00:45:48.179 --> 00:45:48.719 commentary. 891 00:45:48.719 --> 00:45:54.480 And some of us have been or are soon to be on the podcast with 892 00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:54.780 him. 893 00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:57.780 So check that out in your podcatcher of choice. 894 00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:30.659 Well, no, sir, that's all. 895 00:46:30.780 --> 00:46:31.860 We have time for this week. 896 00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:35.579 We'll be back next week to see what Richard Curtis can do on a 897 00:46:35.579 --> 00:46:38.639 Doctor Who budget in Vincent and the Doctor. 898 00:46:40.019 --> 00:46:43.619 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts 899 00:46:43.619 --> 00:46:46.800 and you can keep up with us at flights or entirety on Facebook, at 900 00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:51.300 FDE podcast on Twitter, and on our website, flightthroughentirety 901 00:46:49.619 --> 00:46:54.539 com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger and 902 00:46:54.539 --> 00:46:55.619 Jody into terror. 903 00:46:55.800 --> 00:46:58.619 Eric, where can people find you online? 904 00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:02.760 Oh, people can find me on Twitter at SJC after night? 905 00:47:02.820 --> 00:47:07.440 That's S-J-C-A-U-S-T-E-N-I-T, and they can find me in the 906 00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:10.559 podcasting world on Doctor Who, the writer's room, where we look 907 00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:13.860 at Doctor Who from a writing perspective, and the real McCoy 908 00:47:13.860 --> 00:47:18.659 podcast, where we talk about the Dr. Ship of Sylvester McCoy. 909 00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:22.920 Until next time, may you find a way to cross off all the major 910 00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:27.360 things on your to-do list sometime before the year 3020? 911 00:47:27.420 --> 00:47:30.360 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 912 00:47:30.420 --> 00:47:31.380 See you soon. 913 00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:32.099 Good night. 914 00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:33.179 Toodles. 915 00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:41.400 That was Flight Through Entirety, starring Todd Bealby, Nathan 916 00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:43.619 Bottomley, Brendan Jones, and Eric Stadnick. 917 00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:45.659 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb. 918 00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:49.380 This episode, the status quo was recorded on the 21st of February 919 00:47:49.380 --> 00:47:52.079 2021 and released on the 9th of May. 920 00:47:55.260 --> 00:47:58.800 Now that you've heard us trashing a couple of Chris Chibnell 921 00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:01.679 episodes of Doctor Who, we hope you'll like and subscribe to our 922 00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:05.219 YouTube channel, why we hate girls and fun and telly and have 923 00:48:05.219 --> 00:48:07.559 literally never had sex, you'll love it. 924 00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:08.519 No, you won't. 925 00:48:13.019 --> 00:48:19.980 And, uh, some of us, I think, uh, have been or are soon to be on 926 00:48:19.980 --> 00:48:20.940 the podcast with him. 927 00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:24.000 So check that out in your podcatcher of choice. 928 00:48:24.059 --> 00:48:25.860 I'm going to be doing time flight. 929 00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:33.179 He made me do Resurrection of the Daleks because I told him I 930 00:48:33.179 --> 00:48:34.019 hated it so much. 931 00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:37.800 So he let me do Aliens of London and then I did Resurrection of 932 00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:38.460 the Daleks. 933 00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:40.920 And it is actually really hard to talk about Resurrection of the 934 00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:46.320 Daleks for like 2 hours because you just keep on saying, here are 935 00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:47.280 more people with guns. 936 00:48:47.340 --> 00:48:48.179 Why is this happening? 937 00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:49.739 Well, somebody's just died. 938 00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:50.699 Yeah. 939 00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:51.900 Yeah, it's awful. 940 00:48:52.380 --> 00:48:55.079 Have you seen It's a Sin, Eric? 941 00:48:55.139 --> 00:48:59.940 No, I'm actually probably not going to watch it. 942 00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:04.860 I find, uh, as you know, my my RTD tolerance for when he goes sort 943 00:49:04.860 --> 00:49:09.300 of full, uh, depressing drama is quite low. 944 00:49:09.300 --> 00:49:13.139 And I honestly think I would just, and everyone has said, oh, it's 945 00:49:13.139 --> 00:49:13.440 gutting. 946 00:49:13.500 --> 00:49:14.099 It's so emotional. 947 00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:15.960 I'm like, I don't need that right now. 948 00:49:16.019 --> 00:49:19.980 I don't need an excuse to sit and cry for 7 hours. 949 00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:20.940 I could do that on my own. 950 00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:21.480 Thank you very much. 951 00:49:21.539 --> 00:49:26.039 So I think I'll probably maybe come back to it at a later time. 952 00:49:26.099 --> 00:49:28.079 But everyone says it's fantastic. 953 00:49:28.139 --> 00:49:29.400 It is very good. 954 00:49:29.460 --> 00:49:32.579 It's the same thing with years and years and sort of cucumber and 955 00:49:32.579 --> 00:49:32.760 stuff. 956 00:49:32.820 --> 00:49:36.059 When I 1st watched cucumber, I was alone in the house. 957 00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:40.260 Calvin had moved to Tokyo for a year and so I was completely alone 958 00:49:40.260 --> 00:49:40.679 in the house. 959 00:49:40.739 --> 00:49:45.000 And episode 6 has the most upsetting death that I've ever ever 960 00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:46.079 seen on television. 961 00:49:46.139 --> 00:49:50.159 It was absolutely heartbreaking, and I was completely destroyed 962 00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:55.380 and I was on my own totally, and it's, I think it's an episode of 963 00:49:55.380 --> 00:49:58.320 TV that I can't ever bring myself the watch again. 964 00:49:58.380 --> 00:50:00.000 Um, it was brilliant. 965 00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:03.599 It was brilliant, but you know, absolutely. sort of impossible to 966 00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:03.780 watch. 967 00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:06.119 All right. 968 00:50:06.179 --> 00:50:11.099 Okay, so let's do the outro. 969 00:50:11.340 --> 00:50:12.719 Okay. 970 00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:17.579 Oh, I've got a really cruel potential outro, which I think I won't 971 00:50:17.579 --> 00:50:19.619 do, but I'll record it anyway. 972 00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:20.880 I'll do them both. 973 00:50:20.940 --> 00:50:23.699 You can use the laugh from the cruel one on the other one. 974 00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:26.400 Lisa, you might hate me. for this one. 975 00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:28.920 Here we go. 976 00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:33.659 Well, dear listener, that's all we have time for this week. 977 00:50:33.719 --> 00:50:36.780 We'll be back next week to make a whole bunch of bourgeois 978 00:50:36.780 --> 00:50:39.960 liberals cry in Vincent and the doctor. 979 00:50:40.139 --> 00:50:43.199 Sorry, that was that was my watch telling me. 980 00:50:43.739 --> 00:50:45.480 Oh, okay, sorry, I will record that again. 981 00:50:45.539 --> 00:50:46.619 That's intolerable, isn't it? 982 00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:47.340 I can't air that. 983 00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:47.940 That's terrible. 984 00:50:48.059 --> 00:50:49.980 Yeah, and you can record it again. 985 00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:51.719 I know, but it's unuseable. 986 00:50:52.500 --> 00:50:54.840 I'm going to do it again anyway. 987 00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:58.440 I'll release it as a bonus track. 988 00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:02.460 Well, dear listener, that's all we have time for this week.