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Hello, and welcome back to Quite Your Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast who, in recent years, has been sending probes deeper and deeper into Spain.

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Sorry about that.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Nathan And I'm a big mannequin on the back of your Gregory Pix scooter for this episode.

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Which means I'm actually Kim Catchell from Sex and the City Otto.

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There you go.

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She played.

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She was the eponymous hero in mannequin.

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Would love to say about fetishising of mannequins today, so do stay tuned. in the 70s. wasn't expecting this at all.

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So without any further ado, we're breaking the last taboo and going into colour, with spearhead from space.

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Now, Richard, I do believe this was yours.

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Honestly, it's not just backwards in time or indeed forward some time into colour.

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Should we just say something exciting because wearing colour?

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It is totally different, isn't it?

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What is this universe?

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This isn't anywhere I've been before.

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It's all film, isn't it?

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I mean, it's all shot up.

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You know why it's all a middle film. don't you?

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Dear fellow.

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But I'll let you say.

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No, no, it's just because, you know, there was there was a bit of a strike with the rehearsals, spaces, but there actually could have still gone onto VT, but the BBC weren't going to sacrifice any of their rehearsal time for their 2 absolutely lead shows which could never be cut.

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Do you know what they were?

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The black and white minstrel show.

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And yes, it's Lulu.

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There are lots of French and Saunders crossovers in this, or should they add that crossovers?

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So yeah, Lulu is the reason that we get so many 7 parts in this season.

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She's very greedy, Lulu.

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More champagne for Lulu.

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She's the reason for the season in fact.

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Oh, yeah.

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It's going to be like that, isn't it?

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Oh, sorry.

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Well, we're in colour.

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I wonder we're all coming up daisies.

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I do like what you're wearing.

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I actually think there's a snide reference to the strike in the actual dialogue because General Scobe tools autoplastics, and he's impressed by the automation, you know, replacing everything with machines.

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He says, damn machines can't go on strike, can they?

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Yeah, that's that is a real, and you know it's homes or Terrence sticks, big, smarty pants about it, good for them.

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Um, yeah, we're in we're in this beautiful coloured, lovely, lovely thing, which I'm really happy to see if Mary Whitehouse was with us had the very 1st nude scene in Doctor Who.

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Oh, it is too.

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It's a complete afterthought.

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They were actually everything filmed, including the Brigadiers, Weirdly, the Brigadiers Office, and the Cottage Hospital.

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All the rest and the grounds, it's all in the one place.

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It's one of the earl of the area, some old house, and it had been used as an army base in the war, but that little coronet is because he'd been an earl, and so he had a coronet over his little, it was off one of the, um, changing rooms off one of his drawing rooms.

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And yes, yes, all of that is there, but you get to see, you actually get to see a little bit of the back bottom cleft of Uncle Pertwick.

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No, I should actually say the cough 6 shock shot, shouldn't I?

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And the tattoo.

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And did you notice people took, you know, he got that.

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He doesn't remember getting that in the war one night, so it was even in a drunken rage, but have you did you notice the shape of it?

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Is it a snake thing?

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It's curled around about, have another look at the doctor's wife.

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It's the corsair symbol, which really makes me think, well, you know, of course there had been another forms and other shapes.

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I'm wondering if there'd been a bit of time lord branding, with a bit of heavy corsair on doctor action in a past life or indeed in season 6B. Well, yeah, because Matt Smith's doctor does say the Corsair was a naughty woman at one point or worth to that effect.

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I'm putting it out there.

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Well, I do wish you wouldn't because it's not a virtually getting it on with really anything.

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No, it's kind of prospect.

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There's kind of lovely rompy innocence to this.

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We talked.

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Well, this is not the 70s, to be honest.

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This is still 1969, written in 69 filmed in 69.

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The moon landing occurred during filming.

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Yeah.

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Because John Pertwee was disgusted that nobody else wanted to watch it.

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So Carrie John sat down to watch it with him and they bonded over that.

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Okay.

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Because they were staying in a hotel and everyone else was off having a drink and like sitting in the foyer looking at the television saying, this is important.

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Why isn't anybody else here?

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Unbelievable, the Doctor Who team would not be sitting and watching the thing that really is, you know, ostensibly what most of Australia is supposed to be about, ish, except it's not really, is it?

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Yeah, well, Terence Sticks was probably saying, oh, we did that last year, but with ice quarries.

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Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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That's the thing.

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You just touched on something that's probably, you know, we've got colour.

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Sorry.

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No, no. exciting and new and beautiful things, but we've actually got Carrie John.

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Oh, she's spectacular.

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This is how you know it's not a kid show anymore.

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Yeah.

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We've got a grown-up, just banging on about, please, can we have another Barbara figure, a mature type of woman in it again?

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I think we got one.

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When the show starts, I think Jackie Hill is 34, said, ooh.

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Um, and carries carries 30.

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So we have another grown-up. for the 1st time.

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And she's terrific.

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She's really, really funny and sarcastic with the brigadier.

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How could she not be in a pre-proto-bubble wrap camel here?

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Oh, terrible.

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What is that?

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Is it just the earliest sign of airbags because the cars didn't come with it and she was just really concerned for humanity?

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She's so into a jacket.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's really just how she could withstand the Gormous gaze of Derek Sherman.

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You did get to see him, as we know, that, you know, the big producer guy.

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He is the one standing in the undercroft in the car park.

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What kind of deal?

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What actor could not have delivered a line?

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A non-audible line that he just had to look gormous and open his mouth?

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He's really terrible in that role.

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He's really terrible in that role too.

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There's something going on there.

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His name was Gilbert, the actor who was kicked out and skilled.

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Oh, do we know that?

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Yes, we do.

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Yes.

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So Gilbert got sadly shafted so that he could wear an outfit.

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But back to Carrie, though, she really is the best companion since Barbara.

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It's not even, yeah, it's not, it's the closest easy game, Swanson, the Avengers, but it's also quite strange report, character of Annabel in that, or Jason King, where you have, I've got the succession of women in, around, you know, Justin King played by Patrick.

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Peter Winger?

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Peter and Go, whom we own, who was also in Planet of Fire and Prison.

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No, he was number 2 in the prisoner.

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He was number 2 in the prisoner.

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Yeah, his career was sadly curtailed in the 70s and really, really going really well when he was discovered in his very own form of cottage hospital on one of the commons in London, which is very sad.

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He'd been Alan Bates's partner for ever and ever and ever.

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It's very sad.

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We've actually got a doctor now who's, You see the least doctor-ish so far of the doctors?

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One of the things about this is how peripheral the doctor is for the action.

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It's great, isn't it?

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It is terrific.

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And, you know, for a while, perhaps he has some elastic passed over his mouth, which is nice.

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But he's doing his own stunts too.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But he's not elastic.

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He's a bit sort of trout-ish.

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There are little moments, you know, the Delphons or the Delphoids or whatever the hell they are who, you know, can be with their eyebrows.

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As I'm doing now, dear listener.

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And he does the chair.

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The only way I can get away with swearing on this.

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But he's quite charming with Liz, you know, he is sort of funny, but no one really knows who he is yet and his character doesn't really properly settle down until later in the season.

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Which is a really good way of doing it.

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They did it sort of with Pat. in Power of the Daleks when he was really playing it, you know, hype away and jumping about.

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Yeah, and we weren't sure, you know, where he was going to be coming from.

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So then this has to be, and it's kind of a throwback throw forward to Capaldi.

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Am I a good man?

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We're getting that with Pat.

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With this one, we're actually getting the adventures of Cat Weasel in a wheelchair.

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Or actually, if Jason King and Tara King have had a lovely daughter.

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I think he would be a 3rd doctor.

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See, I think that it's really very effective, but pushing him to the periphery because it does mean that when he finally comes to the unit base.

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The brigadier doesn't trust him.

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And even though we've seen him fall out of the TARDIS and we, the viewer, know that he was going to be sent to earth with a new face, we don't really trust him either.

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It's really harking back to the fact that we didn't trust Hartnall's doctor because of the mystery around him.

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And yeah, we didn't trust Pat's doctor, but we did have Polly saying, oh, no, he is the doctor to build up the, there's no really to build up the trust here. very unnerving.

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You've just got it.

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This is why this is such a risk, not just for the for the viewer in the sitting room, but for the BBC because apart from the brig.

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And, you know, thumbs up if you remember him because it's only 2 stories and it's a while ago.

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If you don't remember the character of the brigadier or the word unit, there is nothing in this to tell you it's Doctor Who other than the words on maybe a bit the theme-ish.

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Oh, and the TARS. which is pick and then it's gone.

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You know, it turns up again as a box in the corner.

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That's it.

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Yeah, and you don't see the interior, which...

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You don't see the interior.

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The iconic bit, if you like, because police boxes were still not uncommon at this point.

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So the really unique thing about the show was the big white gleaming controller.

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But a nor was John Perkley.

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Not uncommon, but he, you know, we forget what a huge star, what a big thing radio comedy was, you mentioned before the people.

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You know, around the hall was getting over 20000000 listeners on a Sunday afternoon.

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The Navy Lark, which had been going since the late 50s, was still going and would be recorded through the Pertwear era. was massive, massive hit, and he played Chief Petty Officer get this for casting pert week.

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Yeah, everyone used the same names in that.

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It also had Leslie Phillips and I'd still played on BBC 4 extra.

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I keep plugging it every week and it's lovely.

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It's quite sure it's dated.

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But it's naturally, I'm going to still listen to it and it's lovely.

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It just makes me think how miserable life in how post-war it still was.

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It sort of was, and it's sort of charming, but it's, no, it gets a bit risqué in sort of Leslie Phillips.

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It gets quite blue by the 70s and it's much more like, I'm sorry, I'll read that again, which, of course, Brendan's mentioned before, are the goodies and the Pythons before they became, before the goodies became the goodies and the Pythons.

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Bertley is a big, big hit.

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Was it Carrie who said I wanted to do it because pertly I'd been a fan of pertly as a little girl and he just gave her a shuddering little concept. mean, my dear.

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But the thing that's so interesting about this is, is, we get a monster that's really surprising.

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We get the, when they talk about the, um, the yeti and the loo in Tooting Vic, and are you all aware that the monster was actually until reasonably late in the day going to be the yeti?

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Oh, yes, a bloody Gen.

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Yep, that's why you got the yetis on his on his photo call, his 2nd photo call.

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Yeah.

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See, I wonder why, because he invents the Yeti in the loo on Toosing Baker at least popularises that as a phrase.

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You just sort of think, well, you never had any.

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Yes, you would.

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Yeah, well, we don't know what happened, do we, in Tooting Beck, because what with the cast and call or why they were called off.

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What happened in tears?

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In tears.

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Tears of fuzzy fur filts.

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But yeah, we've got we've got mannequins and I think it's the most exciting and creepy thing.

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I looked into this because it really, it's the bit everyone remembers.

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But funnily enough, when you read the papers at the time, you know, I admitted to being nerdy enough to go back and read stuff in the papers.

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People thought it was an episode of The Avengers.

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They actually got English reviews, and I love that episode of the Avengers last week when the dummies burst out of it.

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No, it just ended, dear.

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We're still getting Tara King Epps in the 70, weren't we?

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Is it the 1st instance?

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of a monster which is a commonplace everyday item turned into a monster.

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I think it might be.

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Apart from foam.

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Apart from foam.

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And I suppose the whole radio thing with the side member, you know, the real guys.

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That was a nice touch, wasn't it?

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that the little...

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You're right.

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And the 70s will do it beautifully.

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What do you think about the premise?

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There is now, you know, no spinning TARDIS as such that we landed on earth with a different place.

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We're actually doing Adam adamant or mini James Bond or actually department S shows that ITC had been famous for, which kind of already passed glory.

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Strange reports are what I mentioned.

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I mean, is it trying to be Avengers-ish as well, like the lovely car and...

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I think it's trying to be war machines.

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I just, well, look, I'll have things to say.

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I think when we reach the end of the season, I've been through 25 episodes. looking forward to that, too, listen.

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But it is it does seem like they've cancelled my show and replaced it.

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I really get what you said.

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Yeah, I really get what you meant last time when you said this is the end of Doctor Who and I thought, well, no, it's just the beginning, but it really isn't Doctor Who at all.

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No.

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And we're getting into interesting worlds.

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I'm not just talking about the cop 6 shock shot, which I have to say again, because I really have to practice saying that.

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But we've got Bob Holmes on illicit love.

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And he's quite a quirky bloke and he does like playing with people's heads.

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He was very naughty in rehearsals.

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He was the one spinning the proto-colum bacon, cheeky jokes and playing it up, especially with the ladies.

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Um, and terroristics love that, which is one of the reasons they had him around so much, he was fun.

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The whole concept of the lifelike mannequin.

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Had actually caused a kind of stir.

219
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Can we say for some?

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Have a drink with a woman called Mary Brosnan.

221
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And her company was called Carriage Trade, and it was a US company in the 1950s.

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Before that, they'd been quite stylised and they looked actually not unlike current day meal game and cybermen.

223
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The store dummies were quite deco and stylised and streamlined.

224
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But then we started getting actual really lifelike ones.

225
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Um, there was a really big American fashion designer called Lester Garber in the 50s.

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He was ostensibly queer, but he actually, and there is a name for this autoerotica, he fell in love. with a dummy called her Cynthia.

227
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She became his constant, constant companion, and he took her to every 1st night, and every dinner party.

228
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Liza Minnelli's own mother, Judy.

229
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Judy Garland actually commented on, oh, Leicester has brought his tire gam.

230
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It's a note in one of the books of one of the diaries.

231
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Yeah.

232
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He was notorious for it, but this became fetishising of mannequins became a big thing.

233
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It must start with Pygmalia, mate.

234
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Surely.

235
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That's a nice thought.

236
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Yeah, it's a statue and it comes to life. you know, that's a very old myth.

237
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But the whole thing is fashion with when the Xandra Rhodes ones, Adele Rootstein, what a name, was Mary Brosnan's equal in the UK, produced, ever more lifelike thing, and there was actually a thing between these 2 women to produce even more.

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The Xandra Rhodes dummies, if you remember Xandra Rhodes, look with a shock of pink hair in the 70s, and her very, it's actually pre-boy George, the look, that in the 70s, beautiful fabric's very gauzy, and really pronounced nipples, and then they were sent over to the US, they were sawn off before they could be...

239
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Yeah, before they would be allowed to be shown in the US and they started to get very anatomically correct to the point that they were having to then change other sections of these things.

240
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So there was a sort of this kind of thing of the dummies must have been, I'm hoping, at least in Bob Holmes's head when he wrote this story, just because.

241
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There is something about the face of them and being so close, and of course he touches on it also with 2 swords, the uncanny valley, 2 like to be comfortable.

242
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Well, I think that's it.

243
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And I think that I mean, I've heard stories of children being unnerved and frightened by mannequins.

244
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Well, it's us, isn't it?

245
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Yeah, absolutely.

246
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On watching the show when we were little.

247
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This was on for the English listener.

248
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This was on constantly pretty much in the late 70s, early 80s, wasn't it?

249
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I'm looking at you.

250
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Yeah, yeah, it's great.

251
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Not bread.

252
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They used to show from Spearhead from Space all the way through to whatever.

253
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But we didn't get the other 3 stories.

254
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No, we see them soon.

255
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No.

256
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Or any of season 8 because the master was in it.

257
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That's right.

258
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We never saw Delgado.

259
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Yeah, it repeat, yeah.

260
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So they would just repeat sort of bits and pieces.

261
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My actual person counted with this story, though, was in Terrence Dix's novel, Doctor Who and the Auton invasion, which I still think is actually superior to the transmitted story.

262
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It's really, really.

263
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It was one of the 1st or was it the 1st new target novel to come out?

264
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I think it was.

265
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Because before that, they'd republished the...

266
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Exactly.

267
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Crusaders.

268
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We're Planet?

269
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Yes, the exciting adventure with the Zabi, exciting adventure of Daleks, an exciting adventure with rapey Saracens. right.

270
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So this was this was quite an early one.

271
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And like I was a kid.

272
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We've talked about this.

273
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I used to get maybe 7 Doctor Who novelisations and lay by them at David Jones.

274
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I used to get them from the local news agency.

275
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They were there each Saturday, yeah.

276
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And, you know, they were like $2 a year.

277
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Yeah, something I would say, but my pocket money and then take more home.

278
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And I read and reread the auton invasion.

279
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And then my friend at primary school told me that all-time invasion was actually on television and I was shocked to hear that it was called Spearhead from Space.

280
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Which makes no sense at all.

281
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Well, I still think it makes no sense.

282
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No, the original working type of facsimile.

283
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I like that.

284
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There's so much things.

285
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I think that's possibly better for an adult audience.

286
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There might have been a lot of children who didn't immediately know what facsimile was.

287
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That being said, I didn't need him.

288
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He's a bit...

289
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They were going up to it as well.

290
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They were going much more adulty in the original than the original.

291
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There were so many drafts from what we know, but, you know, much more adulty and kind of and more violent.

292
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They turned down the violence.

293
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Or the transmitted thing.

294
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They were really being influenced by, you know, the film industry had suddenly jumped to grishy realism.

295
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It was very English thing, but it actually, from what I could see, it actually started with Steve McQueen's bullet in 1968.

296
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Have you seen that?

297
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It's in itself influenced by advertising at the time, which was which became moments of people just sitting staring out into the blue and smoking grisly with a girl sitting there, almost in her dialogue and just the flowers moving, all the cars moving, great speed and jump cutting and such like, this is kind of like our boy's own version of that style.

298
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It's almost like a Mike Hodges film.

299
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You know, get Carter with Michael Kane, that kind of, or an episode of the Sweeney.

300
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And we're getting some even more of that as we go on in this season and action by havoc starts to jump in.

301
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Sadly, we don't have them just yet.

302
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But, um, what are they going for here?

303
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The tone is all over the shop.

304
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But in this 1st one, it still feels that like that lovely Indian summer, we've talked about the end of the 60s where childhood drama and all these other new kinds of making film for TV and are together.

305
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So we've got silly romps in wheelchairs that are more like a Margaret Rutherford wheeling film from the 50s when he's racing along.

306
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And then we have, I think, my favourite villain of the early 70s, shot through vertical broadline glass so that his eyes look like a flies.

307
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It's Channing.

308
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It's Hugh Burton's chatting.

309
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Chatting.

310
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I think I think he's the...

311
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He's actually the Delgado of season seven.

312
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He's just superb.

313
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He was so terrifying in the novel and in those illustrations that I was actually finally a bit disappointed when I saw him in real life.

314
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Yeah, but I actually find him, he's in immobility.

315
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The fact where he just stands in the phone box doesn't do anything doesn't need to lift the receiver.

316
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I think that is terrific.

317
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And the shot that you mentioned where he is shot through the glass and he looks like he has multiple eyes and things.

318
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I think that is terrifically good.

319
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What really gets me about his character is Robert Holmes sort of takes the trick out of David Whitaker's book in that he puts off the confrontation between the doctor and Channing.

320
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Aside from Channing, trying to kidnap the doctor.

321
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They don't meet until that last 5 minutes.

322
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Well, in fact, the doctor's so sideline.

323
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Because we're setting up the premise of the show, the new premise in episodes one and two.

324
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His sideline, but the episode two, Cliffhanger, is ransom in peril.

325
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And then the episode three, Cliffhanger, is Scobe in peril.

326
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Like the doctor is interacting with the plot enough to be in peril enough to motivator cliffhanger.

327
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He really is, you know, on the sideline completely.

328
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And so, It really is only an episode 4 that he gets in any way involved in the plot.

329
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And I guess, you know, that's a little bit like the Christmas invasion.

330
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But I don't think it's quite as conscious or as clever as what happened in the Christmas invasion, which is the Christmas invasion shows you how the characters can't cope with the aliens in the absence of the doctor.

331
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That's not quite what we get here.

332
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Do you know what I mean?

333
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He is just sort of sidelined because we kind of want to see him swinging into action once he's bedded into place and we know what his relationship is with Liz and what his relationship is with the brigadier and why he's staying and, you know, what's going on in this sort of new premise.

334
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See, what I really love about that scene is it gives us the best idea of Pert, his character in the story, which is when he comes in and confronts Channing.

335
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He's just very conversational.

336
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Like they're talking about a piece of modern art at a party when they're talking about the nestine.

337
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Let's not say what body part it looks like pulsating in the cabinet.

338
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No, I think we have to, when we get up to that because I'm sorry, it is the 1st sphincter in space.

339
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And we get, no, really it is even as a boy.

340
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I thought, is this Kenny Everett doing a special effects?

341
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Because Captain Kremen?

342
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It's very, it's very Thagoid, isn't it?

343
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That's amazing.

344
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Not until the Blu-ray. you realise there's green dungeon there as well.

345
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You can't see that on the thing either.

346
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That's a new machine.

347
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Did you know about the new green guns machine?

348
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We'll see a lot more of it.

349
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Yes, we do indeed.

350
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In the, in the novelisation, again, the, um, there's a great superb picture of this sort of terrifying octopus, um, advancing on Pertu and Liz, and just seeing that it was a sort of sad box with some playing film in it and someone throwing tentacles out of it, um, was a huge, hideous disappointment to me.

351
00:23:05.460 --> 00:23:10.980
And pirtually, you know, he's still acting in season seven, but he will retire from acting.

352
00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:12.599
Oh, yeah.

353
00:23:12.599 --> 00:23:13.500
Surely soon.

354
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He has a few tips, you know, that he increasingly relies on. like rubbing the back of his neck or rubbing the side of his mouth or the famous pertwee death pose with one knee.

355
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He's being poised.

356
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Lots of less is more.

357
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And here we get his 1st real proper gurney.

358
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You know, he'll go.

359
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He'll go in again when he's attacked by the Silurians in Doctor Who and the Silurians, but he really sells the being attacked by tentacles by rolling his mouth about and crossing his eyes and things.

360
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It really is a virtuoso performance.

361
00:23:45.059 --> 00:23:50.279
The thing about Pertley's performance is that he's the one that's really out of sorts in this.

362
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He's famously, he said, you know, when he when he asked Bryant and Sherman when they appointed him how to play it.

363
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He said, well, we want Pert Week.

364
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Who the hell is that?

365
00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:07.799
And you can see he's, he was apparently quite nervous that um, even of Nick, because Nick had been in the show before and knew what he was doing.

366
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And Carrie, because she'd just been working with Olivier.

367
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That was enough to daunt him, but he's a very multi-layered man, as we know from, I've got his book here, Moonboots and dinner suits. put a picture up there and it doesn't really come across because he's such a raconteur, but he was terribly nervous and will go on later in the season about himself as a performer.

368
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He was very reliable to be able to do pretty much any accent, Kenneth Williams school of any accent as long as it's John.

369
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You can always tell it's him.

370
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But um, and do any role.

371
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I mean, it can be, you know, as camp and as silly and fun as you like.

372
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But yeah, he had no handle on this.

373
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And I think that's actually why he's so likeable in this story.

374
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You really do get the feeling that he's finding his feet.

375
00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:56.279
He does become much less likeable in later series and he...

376
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Even later through this.

377
00:24:57.299 --> 00:25:02.819
Yeah, later he starts to get a little bit too London Club, doesn't he?

378
00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:09.660
Yeah, there's that, but there's also just the fact that he antagonises people in a way that actually makes it more difficult for him.

379
00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:14.759
And the, in particular the way that he antagonises Dr. Lawrence in the next story.

380
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Yeah.

381
00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:17.819
But Boffins were famous for doing that.

382
00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:20.819
And he sort of doesn't, oh, he doesn't.

383
00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:21.420
Oh, yeah.

384
00:25:21.420 --> 00:25:23.579
You know, like he is just obnoxious.

385
00:25:23.940 --> 00:25:35.039
And he starts to do it to Ralph Cornish and the brigadier pulls him up and then he kind of backs off and actually ends up having quite a nice relationship with him.

386
00:25:35.099 --> 00:25:41.099
But he, yeah, it's, it's not a take on the doctor that I like very much.

387
00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:45.539
I don't think he's that much fun to watch.

388
00:25:45.660 --> 00:25:50.339
Well, I think you and I are going to disagree a lot during this.

389
00:25:50.339 --> 00:25:59.099
Because I do see the qualities you're talking about, but I think that they are more complicated than just the doctor being obnoxious.

390
00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:01.440
Yeah, I mean, he's always been a novel.

391
00:26:01.500 --> 00:26:03.180
Just remember Lau saying, oh, don't mind him.

392
00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:04.619
He just likes to irritate people.

393
00:26:04.680 --> 00:26:09.960
You know, like he has always been irritating, but there's a particular kind of irritating.

394
00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:11.339
There's a very Oxbridge.

395
00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:25.980
I just saw the imitation going last night with Benedict Cumberbatch. we own him as Alan Turing and that very much Oxbridge professor thing, really indifferent and caustic and callous and indismissive, is all throughout the film.

396
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:33.839
And when you think about other portrayals, we've seen the films shot in the 60s and earlier of those sort of, it's, Not necessarily making excuses.

397
00:26:33.900 --> 00:26:35.940
I'm just trying to see where Perp's character was coming from.

398
00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:37.920
I'd like to think it's not who he is himself.

399
00:26:38.039 --> 00:26:42.359
It is patrician and patronising.

400
00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:46.319
It does make him difficult to like on occasion, doesn't it?

401
00:26:46.380 --> 00:26:50.279
I think and I think they really like what character is the brigadier in this.

402
00:26:50.339 --> 00:26:51.539
And I think he's really terrific.

403
00:26:51.539 --> 00:27:00.359
And it's something about Courtney's performance, and you don't quite get it in the 60s ones, although he's heading towards their invasion.

404
00:27:00.420 --> 00:27:10.619
But he always does it with a slight curl of the lip, but he is amused by what's going on and not really phased. quite sardonic in this one, isn't he?

405
00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:12.539
And almost flirtatious with Carrie.

406
00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:13.319
There's little moments.

407
00:27:13.380 --> 00:27:14.400
Yes, my dear.

408
00:27:14.460 --> 00:27:19.140
Well, yeah, he tries to be and then she just complains. is amazing.

409
00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:20.220
Funny.

410
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:22.200
Like, oh, I was even such.

411
00:27:22.259 --> 00:27:24.059
Yes, it's quite a music, don't you think?

412
00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:26.220
No, no, you don't.

413
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:31.680
That's what we were hearing about. bubble wrap going in the spare room.

414
00:27:31.740 --> 00:27:33.539
I thought, hang on, it's not arking space.

415
00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:34.680
What's all that bubble wrap?

416
00:27:35.339 --> 00:27:37.500
The new scheme for this.

417
00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:39.119
You're a reason we're on Earth.

418
00:27:39.180 --> 00:27:40.799
It's actually just budget cutting.

419
00:27:40.859 --> 00:27:46.980
The BBC agreed to it because with colour they just couldn't afford all the extra stuff and a new space set every week.

420
00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:53.220
Is what's happening that they've been somewhat surprised to get an extra season.

421
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They're in colour.

422
00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:58.200
But seeing this as the last season. fully expected that this is it.

423
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Kind of like the 2005 season, which is maybe why everyone's putting concerted bidding to really make it work.

424
00:28:04.140 --> 00:28:08.519
Just like 2005 season is so strong to watch again.

425
00:28:08.579 --> 00:28:10.920
Yeah, because they don't know they're a sure thing.

426
00:28:10.980 --> 00:28:11.880
Yeah, yeah.

427
00:28:11.940 --> 00:28:27.000
Just this week, I watched documentary on Stan Lee, the comics creator and he was talking about his early work in the industry and how it became so hamstrung because with McCarthyism and chasing comic books and saying they corrupted juveniles and what have you.

428
00:28:27.059 --> 00:28:30.059
Pretty much he had to lay off his whole comics department.

429
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:32.339
He was the only one working on them.

430
00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:34.680
And he said to his wife, I'm going to get out.

431
00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:35.880
And his wife said, don't be stupid.

432
00:28:35.940 --> 00:28:36.779
You love doing this.

433
00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:41.220
But if you're gonna get out, do one comic. the way you want to do it.

434
00:28:41.579 --> 00:28:45.240
And, okay, if they fire you, who cares you're going to get out?

435
00:28:45.299 --> 00:28:46.920
And that comic was the fantastic four.

436
00:28:46.980 --> 00:28:48.299
Oh, yeah.

437
00:28:48.299 --> 00:28:49.859
That's how the fantastic talk about.

438
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:53.400
And that's how this Doctor Who is coming about because they think they're going to be cancelled anyway.

439
00:28:53.460 --> 00:28:59.099
Let's just go for broke, make it this gritty adult scary show.

440
00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:02.759
We'll see a lot of that in the next story. the one after that.

441
00:29:02.819 --> 00:29:05.759
Yeah, and much like the Fantastic Four, it paid off.

442
00:29:05.819 --> 00:29:06.599
Yeah.

443
00:29:06.660 --> 00:29:11.160
I mean, they do have to substantially retool it when they come back in the following year, spoiler alert.

444
00:29:11.220 --> 00:29:14.220
It isn't the direction the show will take from now on.

445
00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:16.559
It is a kind of a blind alley.

446
00:29:16.619 --> 00:29:23.640
The received wisdom for a long time was that the Pertoy era was okay, but season 7 was great.

447
00:29:23.700 --> 00:29:43.140
But having recently watched season 7 in context, the whole time I was disappointed about the show that they threw under the bus, you know, and this doesn't have all of the things that I loved about Doctor Who in it.

448
00:29:43.500 --> 00:29:46.079
And I think that's a great shame.

449
00:29:46.140 --> 00:29:52.259
See, I adore season 7 and I do think that what was happening in the 60s was starting to become a bit stale.

450
00:29:52.259 --> 00:29:54.180
I think it did need a massive shakeup.

451
00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:56.099
Not exactly tires up, just stale.

452
00:29:56.160 --> 00:29:57.660
It didn't make me tired.

453
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:02.099
It just made me go, oh, it's this again.

454
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:03.180
Oh, that's nice.

455
00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:06.359
But you've got to feel that way by the end of season seven, don't you?

456
00:30:06.420 --> 00:30:07.200
You would say, oh.

457
00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:11.220
Oddly not, but I think I think I'll discuss that more when we get to the internal.

458
00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:13.319
Yeah, the moment for the logicians.

459
00:30:13.380 --> 00:30:20.400
We are assuming that everybody knows this story, but I mean, really, if you're listening to the podcast, you've got to know this story because it's just been around.

460
00:30:20.460 --> 00:30:29.339
It's had more iterations on more kinds of medium than anything else we've seen, not just the book, the audio read novelisation.

461
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:31.380
We had it on video.

462
00:30:31.380 --> 00:30:34.259
It's the only one we've now got on Blu-ray officially and properly.

463
00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:39.420
The one bit that really annoys me, can I just have a little nerdism in my head here?

464
00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:42.960
Why do they put the real people in Madame Tussords?

465
00:30:43.019 --> 00:30:43.440
Why?

466
00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:48.059
It's just so stupid, so it can easily be discovered if something happens to the auton facsimile.

467
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:49.140
Why put them on display?

468
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:51.359
Apparently there isn't deleted scene.

469
00:30:51.420 --> 00:30:52.799
Scripted below.

470
00:30:52.859 --> 00:30:58.079
They explain that much like Zygons, they need to keep the original patent alive.

471
00:30:58.140 --> 00:30:59.400
So you put them up on big display.

472
00:30:59.579 --> 00:31:02.279
What's in the script and it was filmed?

473
00:31:02.339 --> 00:31:10.500
I wish we'd got it on the Blu-ray, but it just just doesn't exist. is that the Scobi-Fox facsimile is having to risk detection.

474
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:14.400
So the original is kept alive to mask the signal, but it has to be nearby.

475
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:18.119
And for some reason, it was easier to have it.

476
00:31:18.180 --> 00:31:21.900
It has to be very close to the, oh, look, it doesn't make sense when I say it out loud.

477
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:23.579
I don't know, there's probably why they cut it.

478
00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:25.740
But yeah, it is Doctor Who.

479
00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:27.359
I mean, that's a really mass.

480
00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:28.920
And it's just over that shock.

481
00:31:28.980 --> 00:31:30.599
It is actually Madame Tussault, I think.

482
00:31:30.660 --> 00:31:31.200
Yes, yeah, yeah.

483
00:31:31.259 --> 00:31:36.539
I thought, no, it just looks like a really weak BBC curtain on a rep rehearsal stage.

484
00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:42.000
It is, and they're filming it at one in the morning, and all those extras are really patient, aren't they?

485
00:31:42.059 --> 00:31:43.019
Yeah, sitting around.

486
00:31:43.140 --> 00:31:59.819
I will say, though, that when you're writing science fiction and you come up with a great idea or a great image such as replacing a bunch of people with dummies and putting the real people in the place of the dummies, it can be so hard to dislodge in your brain that when you think to yourself, oh, I don't actually have a reason for that.

487
00:31:59.940 --> 00:32:00.480
Oh, who cares?

488
00:32:00.539 --> 00:32:00.960
It's cool.

489
00:32:01.019 --> 00:32:03.240
And Doctor Who is very much like that.

490
00:32:03.299 --> 00:32:06.359
I mean, the set pieces and visual things and all of that sort of thing.

491
00:32:06.420 --> 00:32:16.920
It's a little bit like, you know, the way that James Bond films have, you know, giant action set pieces and then paper thin reasons for them to actually exist and then this time.

492
00:32:16.980 --> 00:32:18.240
It's pretty much...

493
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:21.119
That's the reason behind every script that Eric Saywood ever wrote.

494
00:32:21.180 --> 00:32:22.559
And you want set pieces.

495
00:32:22.619 --> 00:32:23.640
It's a TV show.

496
00:32:23.700 --> 00:32:25.019
You know, you want something memorable.

497
00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:27.779
You want something to act out in the playground the next day.

498
00:32:27.900 --> 00:32:29.940
And this one is absolutely full of it.

499
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:32.880
I mean, you talk about the Sorry.

500
00:32:32.940 --> 00:32:34.019
That's my Altonga.

501
00:32:34.619 --> 00:32:41.759
You talk, Richard, about how many iterations of this there have been, but every single relaunch of the shows.

502
00:32:41.819 --> 00:32:46.319
Yes, it was cancelled has borrowed massively heavily from this.

503
00:32:46.380 --> 00:32:53.220
So the TV movie lifts Paul McGann taking the costume out of the lockers of the hospital.

504
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:55.680
All of that stuff in the hospital.

505
00:32:55.740 --> 00:32:59.700
You know, Rose has the autons and...

506
00:32:59.700 --> 00:33:01.200
There was nothing else they could have used.

507
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:02.880
In in rows as well.

508
00:33:02.940 --> 00:33:11.160
They're actually able to afford the scene that everyone imagined had happened, but didn't really, which was the autons breaking the way through the shop with those.

509
00:33:11.220 --> 00:33:21.720
In fact, all that you get is, you know, cutting away from the shop windows to the BBC sound effect record of glass breaking and then they're walking through because they can't afford to break any windows.

510
00:33:21.779 --> 00:33:22.740
Still works.

511
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:27.839
And it's, 0 yeah, no, it works terrifically well and was clearly in the minds of just generations.

512
00:33:27.900 --> 00:33:31.019
You think that's why BBC Wales did it just so they could show glass broken?

513
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:32.460
So we can afford this.

514
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:51.180
But do you remember, you remember, in fact, if you read the script book, the script of Rose was published along with the scripts of all of series one, and Russell wants the autons to be terribly elegant and well dressed because they're wearing great clothes, so he wants them to move very elegantly.

515
00:33:51.180 --> 00:34:06.119
And I remember, I remember too, that when we were 1st getting kind of spoilers and stuff to series one, there was a hint that one of the crucial auton battles would happen out the front of a bridal shop.

516
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:11.340
And I remember thinking, oh, please, please let there be autons in bridal gowns.

517
00:34:11.340 --> 00:34:12.780
And of course, there were.

518
00:34:12.900 --> 00:34:20.880
And but then the subsequent relaunch under Moffatt too, in the 11th hour, again, borrows hugely heavily.

519
00:34:20.940 --> 00:34:26.519
We have the doctor in a hospital going through the lockers, you know, getting his costume together.

520
00:34:26.579 --> 00:34:32.219
You know, this is something that has been the template for starting the new show.

521
00:34:32.340 --> 00:34:34.139
And that's wrong.

522
00:34:34.260 --> 00:34:38.579
Thanks for mentioning that because the big chase that you get in 11th power is very much the chase.

523
00:34:38.579 --> 00:34:43.019
Okay, they get a fire engine rather than a wheelchair, but it's very much the same feeling.

524
00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:50.400
Yeah, so it is, it's like a regeneration story or a launching your show again story and that's very much what's happening here.

525
00:34:50.460 --> 00:35:01.260
And in fact, the one big relaunch of the show that borrows heavily from this is, of course, the following year's terror of the autons, which is just as much a relaunch of Doctor Who's this is.

526
00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:05.699
So this is a very, very important story, I think, for the history of the program.

527
00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:12.059
You should just mention how well it did, the US bought the rest of season 789 as a job lot.

528
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:16.380
And, of course, in Australia, Hong Kong and Dubai, so, you know, bought all the 14 stories.

529
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:20.280
The Americans weren't offered spearhead from space.

530
00:35:20.340 --> 00:35:21.000
They didn't get it.

531
00:35:21.059 --> 00:35:26.699
So if we had, you know, if anyone's listening, who grew up in the US, you've got every right to go, huh?

532
00:35:26.820 --> 00:35:31.139
So, yeah, it's like, why would they not have done that?

533
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:44.880
Surely if it's just film, if it's filmed, like the Avengers and all the other ITC shows, they were deliberately done on films, so they could be easily transferred to NTSC rather than doing it on Powell and then transferring it.

534
00:35:44.940 --> 00:35:49.800
I believe that America and Canada were the only other countries who got pertly in colour initially.

535
00:35:49.860 --> 00:35:53.639
Australia still got 16 millimetre black and white film.

536
00:35:53.699 --> 00:35:54.179
Oh, we still got more.

537
00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:54.599
Mon Chrome.

538
00:35:54.659 --> 00:35:54.840
Okay.

539
00:35:54.900 --> 00:35:55.380
Yeah, yeah.

540
00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:57.480
We had an odd way of showing it back then too.

541
00:35:57.539 --> 00:35:58.920
It was really delayed and choppy.

542
00:35:58.980 --> 00:36:01.860
The 16 millimetre film things.

543
00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:05.760
In some cases, the only thing that survived.

544
00:36:05.820 --> 00:36:06.300
Isn't that right?

545
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:19.139
There are no missing episodes from the Pertoy era, but there were plenty, including in this season that needed to be recolorized because the only existing copies of them were the 16 millimetre prints.

546
00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:22.320
And so that was one of the reasons why these things weren't shown.

547
00:36:22.380 --> 00:36:25.679
The whole episodes of the Silurians don't exist in their own.

548
00:36:25.739 --> 00:36:26.639
And ambassadors are death.

549
00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:29.099
Technically, earning this episode one is colour.

550
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:30.360
Everything else was monochrome.

551
00:36:30.420 --> 00:36:31.079
Yeah, yeah.

552
00:36:31.139 --> 00:36:32.639
Next season even.

553
00:36:32.699 --> 00:36:37.320
And as late as, as per to his last season, of course, episode one, invasion of the dinosaurs.

554
00:36:37.380 --> 00:36:39.900
So they only existed in black and white.

555
00:36:39.960 --> 00:36:44.579
So we are so old of seeing a reconstructed...

556
00:36:44.579 --> 00:36:45.179
Yeah, aren't we?

557
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:46.380
It's a repond.

558
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:46.800
Yeah.

559
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:51.119
I don't really want to move leave this story. just so cool.

560
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:54.599
If you haven't seen it, this is the one to watch.

561
00:36:54.659 --> 00:36:55.260
Yeah.

562
00:36:55.260 --> 00:37:04.260
I mean, this constantly is on lists when you when you go on Facebook or forums or Twitter and someone says, I'm introducing a friend to classic doctor, what should I watch?

563
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:07.739
90% of people say show them spearhead from space.

564
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:11.340
Other mad people say show them caves of Andrazani, which is a silly idea.

565
00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:13.739
Well, it's a great episode of Lake 7.

566
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:14.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

567
00:37:14.460 --> 00:37:16.079
But no, spearhead from spaceship.

568
00:37:16.139 --> 00:37:22.440
If you're listening and you want to introduce a friend to classic doctor, show them spearhead and then get them to listen to this podcast.

569
00:37:28.619 --> 00:37:38.099
So moving on to Doctor Who and the Silurians with that wonderful score from Kerri Blyton, Kazoos.

570
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:39.300
It is so weird.

571
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:42.119
We're still with Kenny Everett and Captain Crewman, aren't we?

572
00:37:42.179 --> 00:37:43.440
That's great.

573
00:37:43.500 --> 00:37:46.619
So you didn't you did make a mistake just now.

574
00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:48.780
It is Doctor Who and the side.

575
00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:49.679
I just said that.

576
00:37:49.980 --> 00:37:51.300
Oh, good. okay I thought you said the sign.

577
00:37:51.780 --> 00:37:56.460
No, no. okay. we should just talk about the title as if it's a French symposium.

578
00:37:57.059 --> 00:38:03.539
So it was called the Silurians and they used to call the things Doctor Who and the Miler.

579
00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:05.760
Oh, okay monsters in one of the...

580
00:38:05.820 --> 00:38:06.780
No, no, that's what the...

581
00:38:06.780 --> 00:38:08.940
No, the novel, but it just calls the monsters.

582
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:12.420
Yeah It was frequently called the monsters in the...

583
00:38:12.420 --> 00:38:17.099
The format, poor Doctor Who script, to that point, was to call them Doctor Who and.

584
00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:22.860
So, um, Apple Hook's previous co-writing with Terrence Dix, or Doctor Who and the War Games.

585
00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:27.599
This was director Tim Coon's 1st job on Doctor Who.

586
00:38:27.659 --> 00:38:31.320
And he didn't realise you were meant to cut off the prefix.

587
00:38:31.380 --> 00:38:33.539
So that's why it's...

588
00:38:33.539 --> 00:38:35.159
That's why it's like that.

589
00:38:35.219 --> 00:38:42.119
And of course, this was Barry Lett's 1st full story of producery had a lot going on because, you know, he didn't want to make 7 parters.

590
00:38:42.179 --> 00:38:44.340
Ambassadors of death was in terrible trouble.

591
00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:49.739
Inferno still needed extra elements added to its 7 episodes.

592
00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:52.320
So it just slipped between the cracks.

593
00:38:52.380 --> 00:38:57.179
You know, the titles were ordered and of course titles were laid on as they were recording.

594
00:38:57.300 --> 00:39:04.800
So by the time anyone saw it, it was like, okay, do we really want to spend £100 to do this edit to make new titles?

595
00:39:04.860 --> 00:39:05.760
It's like, ugh.

596
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:09.239
Let it go, let it go.

597
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:12.960
So yeah, nothing more, nothing more sinister than that.

598
00:39:13.019 --> 00:39:14.699
But yeah, it's a wonderful title.

599
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:16.860
Doctor Who, Doctor Who, and the Solarians.

600
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:18.599
So is this mine?

601
00:39:18.659 --> 00:39:18.900
yours.

602
00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:19.679
This is mine.

603
00:39:19.739 --> 00:39:21.719
I am going to talk my life.

604
00:39:21.780 --> 00:39:22.260
Yes, I know.

605
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:24.059
Can we talk about the other aspect of the time?

606
00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:26.159
Which is the website.

607
00:39:26.219 --> 00:39:31.440
Yes, of course, because the dinosaurs themselves hadn't hadn't even evolved in the Silurian era.

608
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:32.400
I believe is correct.

609
00:39:32.460 --> 00:39:35.099
It's 4430000 years ago.

610
00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:36.480
Oh, what's that between?

611
00:39:38.699 --> 00:39:40.260
Whereas...

612
00:39:40.260 --> 00:39:46.559
There were only plants and arthropods on land and there were no reptiles or apes or dinosaurs of any kind.

613
00:39:46.619 --> 00:39:48.659
I mean it is 100s of 1000000s of years.

614
00:39:48.719 --> 00:39:54.360
And the production team, I think, were aware of this, but they just thought it's a cool name.

615
00:39:54.420 --> 00:40:00.360
Kind of like being a child in the early 1970s with the shops only open till 12 PM on a Saturday.

616
00:40:00.420 --> 00:40:01.679
That was it.

617
00:40:01.739 --> 00:40:04.860
It was actually very slowly rean era.

618
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:05.460
Yes, yeah, yeah.

619
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:07.260
They like this idea in era.

620
00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:10.440
So, you know, it is a pretty cool name, I suppose.

621
00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:15.360
And nerdy children like us, yeah.

622
00:40:15.420 --> 00:40:16.559
They get it, right?

623
00:40:16.619 --> 00:40:18.420
It seems too hard to say.

624
00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:19.559
And it's wrong anyway.

625
00:40:19.619 --> 00:40:20.400
It doesn't work either.

626
00:40:20.460 --> 00:40:22.800
I don't know.

627
00:40:22.860 --> 00:40:25.199
So it's a giant mistake as well.

628
00:40:25.260 --> 00:40:35.099
Yeah, you see, I think the original mistake is a bit more forgivable because the person who calls them Silurians is a nuclear physicist who is an amateur potholer, an archeologist.

629
00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:36.300
So clearly he's just an idiot.

630
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:38.639
Well, it's just not his thing.

631
00:40:38.699 --> 00:40:42.420
Yeah, I'm a Latin teacher and I can crack an encyclopedia, I forgot to say.

632
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:44.639
No, I mean, it's not that hard.

633
00:40:44.699 --> 00:40:47.280
Now, is this a Barry Litt story?

634
00:40:47.340 --> 00:40:48.780
Speaking of people who should have known better?

635
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:49.019
Yes.

636
00:40:49.019 --> 00:40:56.519
So this was Barry's producer, but he didn't, he didn't commission it.

637
00:40:56.579 --> 00:40:57.119
I don't think.

638
00:40:57.239 --> 00:40:58.739
I think it was commissioned by Derek Sherwood.

639
00:40:58.800 --> 00:40:59.639
Was he working on it?

640
00:40:59.699 --> 00:41:02.519
Because Sher was working on special project here, wasn't he?

641
00:41:02.579 --> 00:41:03.840
With Dr. Martin King.

642
00:41:03.840 --> 00:41:06.900
From the, you know, the long forgotten, was it John Rollison?

643
00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:07.980
Yeah, John the Avengers.

644
00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:12.659
Who was Harold Chawney in Web of Fear, which who we've all had the fortune to see now?

645
00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:14.880
as the irritating reporter.

646
00:41:14.940 --> 00:41:17.579
Because you can see, you wonder why that didn't get off the ground, can't you?

647
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:33.840
But no, it would have been a fantastic Cord of RAF fabulous show about really lavish overseas production to rival the persuaders on the other network with Tony Curtis and Roger Moore, you know, being all terribly rap and fabulous and everyone had a moustache.

648
00:41:34.019 --> 00:41:36.360
We'll get to that later in the season.

649
00:41:36.420 --> 00:41:36.960
Yeah.

650
00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:41.820
So this is the 1st 7 part story since the evil of the Dalek.

651
00:41:41.880 --> 00:41:43.320
Gosh, it is too.

652
00:41:43.380 --> 00:41:46.679
And so it's also the 3rd longest story since then.

653
00:41:46.739 --> 00:41:52.139
We had the invasion, which was longer, but that had the sidemen and we had the war games, which was longer out of necessity.

654
00:41:52.199 --> 00:42:01.320
So we have the 1st example of these 7 episode stories, which was a decision made by Derek Sherwin, which Barry Letts hated but had to live with.

655
00:42:01.380 --> 00:42:03.239
Is it a budget tree decision?

656
00:42:03.300 --> 00:42:04.380
ED's about a tree decision.

657
00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:07.920
It's cheaper to do longer stories because you can use the sentence for longer.

658
00:42:07.980 --> 00:42:10.679
Episode one is always very expensive.

659
00:42:10.739 --> 00:42:11.519
Yeah, exactly.

660
00:42:11.579 --> 00:42:13.559
Let's not forget, though, for a second.

661
00:42:13.619 --> 00:42:19.559
Just how much outside broadcast filming was actually allocated for Spearhead.

662
00:42:19.619 --> 00:42:21.360
All their shops.

663
00:42:21.420 --> 00:42:23.039
I mean, yeah, there wasn't really.

664
00:42:23.099 --> 00:42:26.340
I just think maybe, you know, it was used as a bit of an excuse.

665
00:42:26.400 --> 00:42:31.559
I think they wanted a big bang at the beginning of the season and they, yeah, they used up all their money.

666
00:42:31.619 --> 00:42:33.719
And it's, oh, look what happened, all that naughty strike.

667
00:42:33.780 --> 00:42:35.400
I think they were really glad for the strike.

668
00:42:35.460 --> 00:42:38.820
It allowed them to actually get all of this across.

669
00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:42.239
Hugely breaks free from the studio look of the 60s.

670
00:42:42.300 --> 00:42:44.519
And so it does, it's even more than colour.

671
00:42:44.579 --> 00:42:47.820
That's a really good point. look amazingly different.

672
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:50.880
Because I just wanted to you bring up your next point, Brendan.

673
00:42:50.940 --> 00:42:54.599
Did anyone here feel a little bit, you know, lachrymosal bored with the 7 partters?

674
00:42:54.659 --> 00:42:55.920
Because I didn't.

675
00:42:55.980 --> 00:42:57.179
The weird thing is no.

676
00:42:57.239 --> 00:42:57.719
No.

677
00:42:57.780 --> 00:43:02.940
They've got this amazing quality whereby instead of having one overarching plot.

678
00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:04.619
They had several overlapping plots.

679
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:07.619
So for each of the 7 parties this season, I've written down the overlapping.

680
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:18.239
For sure and actually writes in that interview, I was quoting the other week, they were deliberately trying to make every single episode within each story, let alone each story, subsequent, utterly different from the one you'd watched the week before.

681
00:43:18.300 --> 00:43:25.380
So you might get a repetition of the plot at episode 3 again in episode five, but it'll be in a different location.

682
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:32.460
They were really trying to spin it as play of the week looking as different as they can within the module of being the same story.

683
00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:36.420
Yeah, so in this story, it starts off as being about a mysterious power drain.

684
00:43:36.539 --> 00:43:40.860
And yeah, because Britain was having those terrible power strikes at the time.

685
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:48.300
And you get all these theories that, you know, it's saboteurs from the other side, you know, that mysterious...

686
00:43:48.360 --> 00:43:52.199
Molly Sutton was suffering from it exactly the same time. are you being served, yeah.

687
00:43:52.260 --> 00:43:56.039
Now, the power drain is then explained, but not soft, because it's monsters behind it.

688
00:43:56.099 --> 00:43:58.079
And that's the 2nd plot, this plot about the monsters.

689
00:43:58.199 --> 00:43:59.219
Commies.

690
00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:00.420
Yes, indeed.

691
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:03.900
You know, they're insidious. don't think so.

692
00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:05.940
The monster...

693
00:44:05.940 --> 00:44:07.019
The monster.

694
00:44:07.139 --> 00:44:08.519
They're tiresome.

695
00:44:09.659 --> 00:44:10.619
What are you doing about?

696
00:44:10.679 --> 00:44:11.760
Still talking.

697
00:44:13.380 --> 00:44:25.860
So the monster's plot is almost solved because the leader of the monster says, yes, we will work in peace with mankind, but then they unleash a virus, but then the virus doesn't work, so they go for a full-blown invasion.

698
00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:33.840
And so what happens is as each of these plots is partially resolved or at least explained, it opens up the next plot.

699
00:44:33.900 --> 00:44:37.800
And I think that's why this story isn't Tyson because it's not just about one thing.

700
00:44:37.860 --> 00:44:41.639
It's the same as the war games. wasn't just about one plot happening.

701
00:44:41.699 --> 00:44:43.199
Things overlap.

702
00:44:43.260 --> 00:44:45.840
As they do in real life and in real war.

703
00:44:45.900 --> 00:44:46.500
Absolutely.

704
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:55.619
I think that the Siurians of the 7 parters in the season is the most successful one and you have identified precisely why, that it does move along.

705
00:44:55.739 --> 00:44:56.699
It goes from place to place.

706
00:44:56.699 --> 00:45:01.739
And I think neither of the 2 that we're going to discuss next episode do that quite so successfully.

707
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:03.780
I just...

708
00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:05.159
But it's all right.

709
00:45:05.219 --> 00:45:06.659
You've been wrong before.

710
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:10.079
Um, so...

711
00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:14.880
Oh, it's just like the production too, man.

712
00:45:15.059 --> 00:45:17.099
Real life, isn't it?

713
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:19.800
We all know the colourful monsters is green, Nathan.

714
00:45:20.699 --> 00:45:23.880
But it wouldn't be doctor if things ran smoothly, would it?

715
00:45:23.940 --> 00:45:27.420
And it often leads to really great things happening.

716
00:45:27.539 --> 00:45:29.760
Recently, perhaps not.

717
00:45:29.820 --> 00:45:31.139
But yeah, I really like Dr. Quinn.

718
00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:33.599
I kept expecting Jane Seymour, though.

719
00:45:33.659 --> 00:45:34.980
That's not the Dr. Queen.

720
00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:36.059
I thought, oh, not her.

721
00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:45.840
And that French and Saunders line, when Jen Saunders says, I just asked myself, you know, what would JC will do in this difficult situation?

722
00:45:45.900 --> 00:45:48.480
Yes, I don't think she would have kept it.

723
00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:51.059
No way.

724
00:45:51.179 --> 00:45:52.019
What would she have done?

725
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:54.960
plastic surgery and just had a drink.

726
00:45:55.019 --> 00:46:05.039
Okay, is just always wonderful because he has that wonderful look about him where he looks all sweet and affable, but he's he can actually play nasty, really, really well.

727
00:46:05.099 --> 00:46:06.420
You know why he got the role, don't you?

728
00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:12.420
Well, you know, he was after Ron Moody and Bertus, he was up for the role of wearing the big cake.

729
00:46:12.539 --> 00:46:14.880
I think we did know that. as the 3rd doctor.

730
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:15.840
The 3rd doctor.

731
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:17.159
He was up for the 3rd doctor.

732
00:46:17.219 --> 00:46:18.480
He was in the top 5 choices.

733
00:46:18.539 --> 00:46:25.079
Yeah, it's a lovely moment on the making of where Carol and John talks about working with Hawton McKay and she says, oh, God, you know, he was so naughty.

734
00:46:25.139 --> 00:46:28.440
He would say, Carolyn, if you stand on this side of me, I think that'd be best.

735
00:46:28.500 --> 00:46:30.719
And John, if you stand, he just wanted to be in the middle.

736
00:46:30.780 --> 00:46:32.280
Easy every single shot.

737
00:46:32.340 --> 00:46:39.119
But we really knew what was going on and you can watch it on that level and just see, sure, the doctors look very agitated in the scene, isn't he?

738
00:46:39.179 --> 00:46:46.199
Well, that scene when he goes to the cottage, it confronts Dr. Quinn is rather like...

739
00:46:46.260 --> 00:46:46.500
Yes.

740
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:47.340
Yeah, yeah.

741
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:55.860
It's rather like that scene where he confronts Channing, where, you know, he's all affable, but there is just this simmering resentment between the...

742
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:56.639
I got your scene.

743
00:46:58.139 --> 00:47:08.340
The doctor being aware that he's irritating people and he really, and the bit, the stupid comedy bit where uh, Mackay thinks he's gone where Dr. Quinn thinks he's gone.

744
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:13.199
He just looks in through the window and it smirks and then sort of wanders off.

745
00:47:13.260 --> 00:47:15.900
He's sort of fabulously irritating in this.

746
00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:17.400
See, that's the thing.

747
00:47:17.460 --> 00:47:24.239
I think we're getting a much better idea of Pertwee's character here because he is being deliberately irritating to Dr. Quinn, Dr. Lawrence.

748
00:47:24.300 --> 00:47:48.539
But in the case of Miss Dawson, he tries to be very sympathetic with her, yes, to find out what she knows, but also because he recognises that she is actually a very strong character and it takes a very strong person to try to maintain a secret trust, even though the right thing to do would be to break it, but she has Dr. Quinn's trust.

749
00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:49.679
And...

750
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:50.820
I really like her character.

751
00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:53.280
And if we look at the novelisation, it was Matt Hook's.

752
00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:54.179
Oh, it's amazing.

753
00:47:54.239 --> 00:48:00.659
It was Matt Hawke's intention that she was actually in love with Dr. Quinn, but it was completely unrequited and she is such a...

754
00:48:00.659 --> 00:48:08.039
On paper, you know, you would go, oh, that is a very weak character, a woman with unrequited love for a man, but actually she is an incredibly strong character.

755
00:48:08.099 --> 00:48:08.820
She's wonderful.

756
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:11.820
The way that Hulk does this too.

757
00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:16.199
And it's something that he does in all of his novels is he gives a much more background to the characters.

758
00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:22.800
You get the impression sometimes with Terrence that he's just taking the script and the sticking he said and she said into it.

759
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:24.179
Then look, I've got a lovely novel.

760
00:48:24.239 --> 00:48:26.699
He did have to write like 3000 a year.

761
00:48:26.760 --> 00:48:27.960
Yeah, no, that is true.

762
00:48:28.019 --> 00:48:30.119
But Hulk.

763
00:48:30.179 --> 00:48:37.980
There's a whole chapter that really corresponds to nothing at all that we see on screen where she's unmarried.

764
00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:40.440
She's probably looked after a sick mother or something I can't remember.

765
00:48:40.500 --> 00:48:43.920
And she's kind of passed the point where she's going to get married.

766
00:48:43.980 --> 00:48:46.440
She likes Dr. Quinn.

767
00:48:46.500 --> 00:48:48.239
It's a sort of older kind of world.

768
00:48:48.360 --> 00:49:02.519
It's very clearly the 70s and so conventions are a bit different, but he goes over, she goes over to his place, I think, for Sunday lunch, you know, regularly and they bond and then they talk about his discovery of the silurins and what his ambitions and things are.

769
00:49:02.579 --> 00:49:11.579
And it's really lovely and it makes her she doesn't get really the chance to show that the script doesn't really bring any of that stuff out on screen.

770
00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:13.920
But it's lovely in the novelisation.

771
00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:16.440
And I'm going to go on and on about the novelisation.

772
00:49:16.500 --> 00:49:17.760
I think it's extremely good.

773
00:49:17.820 --> 00:49:25.500
It was the 1st I 1st encountered the this story as the Hulk novel and I think it's one of the best of the range.

774
00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:27.420
It still stands up.

775
00:49:27.539 --> 00:49:35.400
Oh, and if you haven't read it, you could actually just watch the Matt Smith Silurian stories because so much of it is used as backstory.

776
00:49:35.460 --> 00:49:40.619
We should talk about that too at some point because I think that the Matt Smith story while it's not great.

777
00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:44.280
It actually does, and this is kind of great.

778
00:49:44.340 --> 00:49:45.960
I think this story is kind of great.

779
00:49:46.019 --> 00:49:48.000
I think the Matt Smith one isn't really that great.

780
00:49:48.059 --> 00:49:50.519
Buddy's Chibnol's plotting though, isn't it?

781
00:49:50.579 --> 00:50:00.059
Well, it does some things better than this story does, I think, and we'll talk about them. you know, why a bit later, I think.

782
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:09.119
I mean, what are wonderful things about this story is the way it came about, which was when Terence Dix was talking to Malcolm Hawke about the new premise for the show.

783
00:50:09.179 --> 00:50:10.320
You know, it's going to be Earthbound.

784
00:50:10.380 --> 00:50:11.519
It's going to be like Quatumats.

785
00:50:11.579 --> 00:50:14.579
Malcolm Hawke's response was, well, you realise Robin Terrence.

786
00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:16.199
You've got 2 theories now.

787
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:18.059
You've got mad scientists and alien invasion.

788
00:50:18.119 --> 00:50:20.280
And Terence said, oh, dear, you're quite right.

789
00:50:20.340 --> 00:50:23.880
And so Macolt turned around and said, what if the aliens were always here?

790
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:26.159
And that...

791
00:50:26.219 --> 00:50:31.860
Yeah, which Terrence Dixon spins are saying that he claims he simply replied, dinosaur men want their planet back, Mac.

792
00:50:31.980 --> 00:50:52.860
And it's not, you know, because yeah, because Max said, you know, this is the same thing you're giving us, you know, all we've got is invaders from space or scientists potting around in their lab with lots of burgers and petri dishes and we know we've all said, you said last time, how boring would that have been to have watched Pat be doing this season of the doctor as doing that?

793
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:56.280
Do you think it is dull because of that?

794
00:50:56.340 --> 00:50:57.719
I will say the story.

795
00:50:57.780 --> 00:51:00.059
One part of the story that I feel doesn't work very well.

796
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:01.619
Is that whole business in the lab?

797
00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:08.699
But it does interrupted fabulously by Peter Miles's camp comedy breakdown as well.

798
00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:11.099
Oh, I think that's I think that's absolutely wonderful.

799
00:51:11.159 --> 00:51:12.000
Terrific.

800
00:51:12.059 --> 00:51:15.900
Simply because he's such a restrained character all the way through.

801
00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:20.760
And really, his power has been eroded. bit by bit by bit.

802
00:51:20.820 --> 00:51:24.059
Am I to take it who have now arrested my security office?

803
00:51:24.119 --> 00:51:25.320
He's so funny.

804
00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:31.019
He's actually my favourite intransigent base commander so far.

805
00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:32.880
Because he's the most realistic in a way.

806
00:51:32.940 --> 00:51:36.300
No, no, because he's the most camp and kind of ridiculous, I think.

807
00:51:36.420 --> 00:51:40.500
Well, you see, I think he's quite realistic for the same reason that I thought Hobson was realistic.

808
00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:46.260
A scientific based commander does not need to be this dashing heroic figure.

809
00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:48.960
Like Peter Barkwer is actually quite dashing.

810
00:51:49.019 --> 00:51:50.460
Like he's a dashing older man.

811
00:51:50.519 --> 00:51:54.780
And Roland Lee Hunt, has this great shock of white hair.

812
00:51:54.840 --> 00:51:56.219
He's very visually imposing.

813
00:51:56.280 --> 00:51:57.480
Peter Miles.

814
00:51:57.539 --> 00:52:02.340
Is this sort of very skinny, tall, comb over kind of?

815
00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:03.480
He does look like a civil servant.

816
00:52:03.539 --> 00:52:04.800
Exactly, exactly.

817
00:52:04.860 --> 00:52:05.400
And he is.

818
00:52:05.460 --> 00:52:07.860
He is a civil 7 because he's got a government job.

819
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:16.380
And, um, yeah, he's very much the chap who, you know, the trains need to run on time because the trains need to run on time because the trains didn't run on time.

820
00:52:16.380 --> 00:52:18.000
The trains wouldn't run on time.

821
00:52:18.059 --> 00:52:20.039
The moral duty of the trades.

822
00:52:20.099 --> 00:52:21.780
Yes, exactly. preventing that, aren't you?

823
00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:22.619
Don't get me started.

824
00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:31.019
Yeah, and for that reason, like Peter Miles cites that breakdown is one of his favourite scenes he ever did in Doctor Who.

825
00:52:31.139 --> 00:52:36.539
And he says that part of what made it so good was it took ages to put the makeup on.

826
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:38.159
And there was word coming up from the studio.

827
00:52:38.219 --> 00:52:39.420
Like, where's Peter?

828
00:52:39.480 --> 00:52:40.920
Why is Peter taking so long?

829
00:52:40.980 --> 00:52:43.380
So he was actually ropable when he came?

830
00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:49.860
When he jumps over the table because it's not just the repression of the last 6 episodes getting to him.

831
00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:52.019
It's the repression of his entire life.

832
00:52:52.139 --> 00:53:00.719
And that's why where Macolp is so successful because everyone in this story is a character, including the monsters.

833
00:53:00.780 --> 00:53:02.699
Each of the...

834
00:53:02.760 --> 00:53:04.920
Everyone who has more than 2 lines.

835
00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:07.619
Look, I think that that's the intention.

836
00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:14.940
And the reason why I think the monsters would have been a very, very clever title for it. is, of course, that they're meant to be people.

837
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:19.920
And in the novelisation, you know, they're Morca, Optal, and Cato.

838
00:53:19.980 --> 00:53:29.699
Um, you know, the, I get, I get the, the mixed up, but I think uh, Morgan is, Morgan is the young Silurian and, uh, and then...

839
00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:31.380
No, no, no, Optal.

840
00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:31.800
Okay.

841
00:53:31.800 --> 00:53:34.860
Octylsolita, morc is the young one and Cato's the scientist.

842
00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:35.579
Oh right.

843
00:53:35.639 --> 00:53:42.539
And so they're clearly intended to be people, which is why it's such a bizarre decision to get Peter Halliday to do all of their voices.

844
00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:45.960
So he's doing slightly different funny voices for them.

845
00:53:46.019 --> 00:53:49.559
And that kind of undermines them being people.

846
00:53:49.619 --> 00:54:01.500
And again, they're undermined being people by being sort of rubber suits with really obvious seams and places for the zippers to go and things that are clearly designed to cover the zippers and stuff and flaps. and things.

847
00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:06.239
And, you know, like it's the 70s and this is probably the best we can expect from the costume department.

848
00:54:06.300 --> 00:54:08.099
Do you know what else was going on though?

849
00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:10.139
It was Christie Lawrence who'd done all with his eyes.

850
00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:11.940
Apparently, they look really good in rehearsal.

851
00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:20.400
But on location, the cast and crew was staying in a hotel in Godalming that they were sharing with a conference for Olivetti typewriters.

852
00:54:20.460 --> 00:54:27.900
And apparently the 2 parties had drinking games to outdrink each other every single night of the shoot.

853
00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:31.800
And they, and the extras were, over salarians were the worst of the lot.

854
00:54:31.860 --> 00:54:34.920
So they just all terribly hung over and didn't get zipped up the next day.

855
00:54:34.980 --> 00:54:38.280
It actually colours Perley's performance quite tellingly.

856
00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:49.800
He seems talking around and I'm like, where the new series gets this right and it is partly sort of technically and people whinge whenever the new series reinvents the look of a monster.

857
00:54:49.860 --> 00:54:51.239
But here they get it right.

858
00:54:51.300 --> 00:54:56.340
And I know that there's Silurians in the hungry earth and Madame Vastra and things like that.

859
00:54:56.400 --> 00:55:02.280
People complain, oh, they look like monsters from Voyager, and they do look exactly like the aliens from distant origin.

860
00:55:02.340 --> 00:55:04.079
Which would rip off.

861
00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:05.699
Which was very...

862
00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:10.139
But you can, it's like what Pertuy says about the Draconians.

863
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:11.460
You can see the human mouth.

864
00:55:11.519 --> 00:55:17.039
You can see the eyes, the actors get to act, and they get to be different people.

865
00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:21.780
The Hungary Earther even has an old Silurian, a young Silurian, a Silurian scientist.

866
00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:22.500
You know what I mean?

867
00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:28.860
Exactly the same thing, but they're much, much more identifiable as people and monsters.

868
00:55:28.920 --> 00:55:35.340
And I think that, and that if you're going to have a story which is, it's about colonialism and it's about immigration.

869
00:55:35.340 --> 00:55:41.099
I think it's undermined by having them be rubbery lizard head people instead of people.

870
00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:48.840
See, I disagree because when I watch this story, I can very easily distinguish which southern is which?

871
00:55:48.900 --> 00:55:56.460
Yeah, no, one is sort of Peter Halliday doing a high voice, one's Peter Halliday doing a middle voice and one's Pete Halliday doing it, sort of another voice.

872
00:55:56.460 --> 00:55:57.480
You can tell my part.

873
00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:00.659
Yeah, not because of the voices, because of the physicality of the actors.

874
00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:05.159
The 3 actors do put in very different physical performances.

875
00:56:05.639 --> 00:56:10.440
And it actually makes them look different to each other on screen.

876
00:56:10.500 --> 00:56:12.300
Certainly the voices help.

877
00:56:12.360 --> 00:56:16.079
And to be honest, before I knew it was Peter Halliday doing all 3 voices, I didn't know it was one person.

878
00:56:16.139 --> 00:56:23.460
And I guess the idea of calling them the monsters is, you know, the big discovery is the rubberheaded guys are actually just people, you know.

879
00:56:23.519 --> 00:56:26.280
And so I guess there is some ambiguity there.

880
00:56:26.340 --> 00:56:30.960
So the whole idea of colonialism is hugely present.

881
00:56:31.019 --> 00:56:34.860
And one thing that I want to recommend is that people should watch the documentary.

882
00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:37.739
If you have the DVD, there's an hour long documentary on it.

883
00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:40.800
And I think it's one of the best things that they've ever done.

884
00:56:40.860 --> 00:56:53.460
It barely mentions Doctor Who at all, but it does talk about kind of racial politics and stuff like that at the time and, you know, Enoch Powell and all of that sort of thing.

885
00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:55.139
It's really, really terrific.

886
00:56:55.199 --> 00:56:56.519
The rivers of blood.

887
00:56:56.519 --> 00:56:57.539
Yeah.

888
00:56:57.599 --> 00:56:58.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

889
00:56:58.260 --> 00:57:08.219
And so and so it talks about, you know, in a sense, the Saudi are sort of colonial overlords who used to oppress the human's ancestors and now it's the other way around.

890
00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:09.119
You know what I mean?

891
00:57:09.179 --> 00:57:19.980
Or you could say that the Siberians are an indigenous people whose land we've taken and now or, you know, the cellurians are immigrants and we have to learn to live with them and so on.

892
00:57:19.980 --> 00:57:25.920
And, you know, all of these things underlie the story and I think make it more interesting.

893
00:57:25.980 --> 00:57:27.239
And it is one of these things.

894
00:57:27.300 --> 00:57:30.480
Malcolm Hulk is famous for 2 things, I think, in the 70s.

895
00:57:30.539 --> 00:57:34.139
One is he writes the annual story about giant lizards.

896
00:57:34.199 --> 00:57:39.900
He writes one story a year for poetry and each story features giant lizards of some kind.

897
00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:48.719
So he's there goes to a giant lizard guy, but he's someone who writes about progressive politics and all his stories have a political message under them.

898
00:57:48.780 --> 00:57:57.179
And I think this one is the one that's most interesting in that it has so many different kind of things underlying it informing it.

899
00:57:57.239 --> 00:57:58.380
So many.

900
00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:05.940
One thing I didn't get to say earlier, we should be really grateful that Peter Halliday lent us his prodigious talents.

901
00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:08.400
Do you know who was actually lined up to do the voices?

902
00:58:08.460 --> 00:58:10.619
Sheila Grant?

903
00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:14.280
Yes, she of the voice of the...

904
00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:16.860
That's what they were going for.

905
00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:20.639
So it was actually Barry Letts, who said, what the hell?

906
00:58:20.699 --> 00:58:22.019
Let's get Peter on the phone.

907
00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:23.579
There's been lots of noises.

908
00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:27.960
No, no, no.

909
00:58:28.019 --> 00:58:29.820
No, perfect.

910
00:58:29.880 --> 00:58:33.179
So Peter Halliday did, um, he, his packer.

911
00:58:33.239 --> 00:58:35.159
Oh, obviously from the invasion, isn't it?

912
00:58:35.219 --> 00:58:36.780
But he has some pub wash.

913
00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:38.219
Really?

914
00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:39.000
He is.

915
00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:40.980
But he did lots of voices before.

916
00:58:40.980 --> 00:58:42.059
He used the prosons.

917
00:58:42.059 --> 00:58:43.559
Yeah, we can forgive him.

918
00:58:43.619 --> 00:58:44.099
Yeah, yeah.

919
00:58:44.159 --> 00:58:45.059
Yeah, he is pretty good.

920
00:58:45.179 --> 00:58:47.699
And he'll be doing a voice again next door.

921
00:58:47.760 --> 00:58:48.059
He will.

922
00:58:48.119 --> 00:58:50.880
Now, we do have a lot of firsts in this story.

923
00:58:50.940 --> 00:58:55.380
It is, of course, the 1st appearance of Bessie, who Kate Orman's theory.

924
00:58:55.440 --> 00:59:10.320
I think it was Kate Orman's theory, is that the reason that Liz reacts the way that she does to that news because the doctor says, oh, she's called Bassie and Liz just goes, I see, is that she realises that the doctor's named the car after her.

925
00:59:10.380 --> 00:59:12.420
Yeah, yeah, Beth, Elizabeth.

926
00:59:12.539 --> 00:59:13.679
Yeah, perfectly done.

927
00:59:13.739 --> 00:59:17.639
She, well, it is built on a Ford popular chazis, isn't it?

928
00:59:18.719 --> 00:59:22.019
No offence, Dr. Shaw.

929
00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:23.699
Oh, there's another thing.

930
00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:25.139
Why is she not called Dr. Shaw?

931
00:59:25.199 --> 00:59:27.780
She's a bloody scientist with how many degrees by the age of 30.

932
00:59:28.019 --> 00:59:31.619
They only do that in parallel fascist parallel universes.

933
00:59:31.679 --> 00:59:32.880
I think she's a surgeon.

934
00:59:33.000 --> 00:59:34.380
And other people have said this as well.

935
00:59:34.440 --> 00:59:37.380
She's did a biomed engineered degree, didn't she?

936
00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:39.239
But, no, they're really vague about it.

937
00:59:39.300 --> 00:59:44.820
She says physics and meteorites and half a dozen other things and she claims to be a doctor, a medical doctor later.

938
00:59:44.880 --> 00:59:49.019
Well, the nice thing is, though, she does surgery, that's the whole thing, you know, because surgeons are called Misto.

939
00:59:49.079 --> 00:59:57.780
It comes around about because of the old naval tradition, but she's so I'd like to think that she's actually a surgeon and that's why she gets to be called Miss.

940
00:59:57.840 --> 01:00:02.280
I'm hoping it's not just another bit of rampant sexism in the production.

941
01:00:02.340 --> 01:00:03.900
We'll get to it in Inferno.

942
01:00:03.960 --> 01:00:08.219
I do love that the 1st time we see Bessie driving.

943
01:00:08.280 --> 01:00:09.780
She's driving down a busy street.

944
01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:14.219
Every other car is like gray or dull green.

945
01:00:14.340 --> 01:00:21.960
The buildings are like beige brick and you've got this gigantic yellow car right in the middle, which you can only see on the new version.

946
01:00:22.019 --> 01:00:27.420
I think we have to call it a sprightly yellow. the yellow road, despite the fact that it's actually a tour.

947
01:00:27.599 --> 01:00:30.539
A roadster only has 2 seats.

948
01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:32.159
A tour has four.

949
01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:32.940
So there you go.

950
01:00:33.000 --> 01:00:33.719
See you knowing that.

951
01:00:33.719 --> 01:00:35.460
I know it's cars.

952
01:00:35.579 --> 01:00:43.320
Steve McQueen had just driven something that looked exactly like it, 1905 Winton Flyer in the Rivers that came out the year before.

953
01:00:43.380 --> 01:00:48.599
And of course, there's Gabriel from the Secret Service, Jerry Anderson's really weird, wacky.

954
01:00:48.659 --> 01:00:50.340
Gosh, if you're looking for...

955
01:00:50.340 --> 01:00:53.760
It's a puppet vicar who sold the crime. who's sometimes a real person.

956
01:00:53.820 --> 01:00:56.699
It's actually my favourite Jerry Anderson show of all time.

957
01:00:56.760 --> 01:01:03.059
That is what I should have mentioned for war games. because it has quite a weirdly off-centered reality thing of it.

958
01:01:03.119 --> 01:01:08.699
But yeah, he drives a cute little yellow car, Gabriel, which is also in every bloody episode of UFO you've ever turned on.

959
01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:10.860
And also for the final season of The Avengers.

960
01:01:10.980 --> 01:01:16.079
Patrick McNee traded in his Green Bentley for series of yellow Rolls Royces.

961
01:01:16.139 --> 01:01:17.099
Not sure how we feel about that.

962
01:01:17.159 --> 01:01:22.920
I do have a sort of theory that John Pertu is kind of cut price, John Steed.

963
01:01:22.980 --> 01:01:26.340
And Adam Adamant, and the pop stars of the time.

964
01:01:26.460 --> 01:01:30.300
He's actually, he's dressed in the rags of the rich hippies.

965
01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:33.239
Which is interesting because as we've already said, like those things were on the way out.

966
01:01:33.300 --> 01:01:35.820
And so Doctor Who starts to do them now.

967
01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:43.500
You notice that the car has replaced the tartars completely and the tartars doesn't even get mentioned or seen in this story at all.

968
01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:44.460
That's true.

969
01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:44.940
That's true.

970
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:47.400
I think and that's the 1st time that's happened. that a bad thing?

971
01:01:47.460 --> 01:01:50.280
Yeah, it is, I think they're genisoning.

972
01:01:50.340 --> 01:02:02.699
I think that, again, when we do terror, the autons, we'll see exactly what decisions for this season that they immediately reverse, and that's one of them, is backgrounding the TARDIS.

973
01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:12.539
Well, Barry Letz did say that, you know, if he'd been setting up the premise, they would have had, for instance, 3 stories on Earth and one story off Earth.

974
01:02:12.539 --> 01:02:17.099
As proven in next season, spoiler alert, he does get the TARDIS working again, kind of.

975
01:02:17.159 --> 01:02:23.760
We also have the 1st appearances of Peter Miles, whom we've already discussed, and Jeffrey Palmer.

976
01:02:23.820 --> 01:02:25.440
Isn't he great?

977
01:02:25.500 --> 01:02:26.880
So awesome.

978
01:02:26.940 --> 01:02:28.199
So no Wendy Craig.

979
01:02:28.260 --> 01:02:31.619
No, he wasn't married to Wendy Craig for about 10,000 years.

980
01:02:31.679 --> 01:02:32.699
What was that show called?

981
01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:34.739
Butterflies, which was lovely.

982
01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:36.960
Carla Lane wrote that, who wrote the Liva Birds.

983
01:02:37.019 --> 01:02:41.699
And Wendy Craig is currently making Mother Makes three, which would then be Mother Makes four.

984
01:02:41.760 --> 01:02:44.460
She the early 70s or a great time for TV.

985
01:02:44.519 --> 01:02:45.599
No, I've got them.

986
01:02:45.659 --> 01:02:46.199
They gorgeous.

987
01:02:46.260 --> 01:02:47.219
She's a great comic actor.

988
01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:49.559
This is the nice thing about this season that you're getting.

989
01:02:49.619 --> 01:02:50.340
Paddy was doing it.

990
01:02:50.400 --> 01:02:51.960
But it was more for children.

991
01:02:52.019 --> 01:03:00.900
This is adult and gritty and kids and fantasy all at once, and you can jump scene to scene and have a completely different show, even within an episode.

992
01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:04.320
Yeah, it doesn't it doesn't go all out gritty, does it?

993
01:03:04.380 --> 01:03:05.039
I mean, you still do.

994
01:03:05.159 --> 01:03:07.380
We're going to see that in the next story.

995
01:03:07.500 --> 01:03:12.599
Yeah, I think Ambassadors of Death is certainly the peak of that approach, isn't it?

996
01:03:12.719 --> 01:03:15.300
But this is the experimental season.

997
01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:16.500
Let's see what we can do this.

998
01:03:16.559 --> 01:03:19.800
It does at least have sort of dinosaurs and lizards.

999
01:03:19.860 --> 01:03:20.579
Yeah, yeah.

1000
01:03:20.639 --> 01:03:25.559
And still in the public consciousness at this point was 2001, the film.

1001
01:03:25.980 --> 01:03:37.199
And this is, in a way, it's a reverse. of 2001 because 2001 was about an alien species. sort of trying to evolve man to the point where they can come out and visit them.

1002
01:03:37.260 --> 01:03:39.659
I've been here a lot longer than anybody realises.

1003
01:03:39.719 --> 01:03:40.199
Exactly.

1004
01:03:40.260 --> 01:03:46.559
Whereas this is, this is a species on Earth, who've woken up and gone, oh, man's got a bit of a bit of his station.

1005
01:03:46.619 --> 01:03:49.500
Let's bring him back down again to the level we prefer.

1006
01:03:49.679 --> 01:04:04.920
And what is really great about that is, you know, we've had alien menaces trying to pluck for a man, his mastery of space, back with the animus, and attack humanity in the future with the ice worries trying to take on team out.

1007
01:04:04.980 --> 01:04:09.179
But these stories are set now or in the near future.

1008
01:04:09.300 --> 01:04:13.320
They are a recognisable world for the viewers.

1009
01:04:13.380 --> 01:04:16.860
So this danger instead of being some hypothetical thing.

1010
01:04:16.920 --> 01:04:18.179
This danger is immediate.

1011
01:04:18.239 --> 01:04:19.260
This danger could happen now.

1012
01:04:19.320 --> 01:04:21.840
And by using a virus.

1013
01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:24.119
Measles was still a problem.

1014
01:04:24.179 --> 01:04:27.420
Smallpox and chicken pox in certain parts of the world was still a problem.

1015
01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:31.199
So it was quite feasible that a virus could wipe out most of the population.

1016
01:04:31.320 --> 01:04:31.739
It is.

1017
01:04:31.739 --> 01:04:32.579
It was a big deal.

1018
01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:34.739
Those scenes are so frightening too.

1019
01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:35.579
They're really awful.

1020
01:04:35.699 --> 01:04:38.340
When was the 1st anthrax terrorist?

1021
01:04:38.400 --> 01:04:40.320
scare. anthrax certainly existed.

1022
01:04:40.380 --> 01:04:46.800
Well, I was wondering when survivors starts, but that's not... for a few more years. late 70s.

1023
01:04:46.860 --> 01:04:46.980
Yeah.

1024
01:04:47.099 --> 01:04:49.139
But those scenes.

1025
01:04:49.260 --> 01:04:57.960
So that, again, is there's a bit of a sort of longer towards the end of the story where Pertwee's in a room testing drugs I talked about. last time.

1026
01:04:58.019 --> 01:05:01.260
It feels like it goes on for ages, but it is actually only about half an episode.

1027
01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:07.079
But it is Intercart with those scenes at Marlowbone Station, where people are just dying in the street.

1028
01:05:07.199 --> 01:05:10.800
It's really awful and the police come and all of that.

1029
01:05:10.800 --> 01:05:19.139
And in fact, the chase chasing masters and all of that stuff is really, really good, but it is really as grim as the show's ever got.

1030
01:05:19.199 --> 01:05:24.900
Jeffrey Palmer has the wonderful distinction in Doctor Who of dying horribly every time he appears.

1031
01:05:24.960 --> 01:05:27.960
You know, I think it's the biggest name actor that that happens to.

1032
01:05:28.019 --> 01:05:29.760
Oh, you know what he's doing?

1033
01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:31.619
He's a...

1034
01:05:31.679 --> 01:05:33.719
Which was with Billy, wasn't it?

1035
01:05:33.780 --> 01:05:37.500
Yeah, so he was actually, he has more right to be dying than anybody else.

1036
01:05:37.559 --> 01:05:43.079
Because he dies of a virus in this in the mutants. shot in episode one.

1037
01:05:43.199 --> 01:05:45.539
Shot an episode one. and famously very painful, I think.

1038
01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:52.559
Famously, in the discontinuity guy, the authors say Jeffrey Palmer's the best thing about these dead before the end of episode one.

1039
01:05:52.619 --> 01:05:57.480
And he has half a bulkhead fall on him in Voyage of the Damned.

1040
01:05:57.900 --> 01:06:01.260
Oh, of course, he's back in voyage of the dam.

1041
01:06:01.320 --> 01:06:02.400
I completely forgotten.

1042
01:06:02.460 --> 01:06:07.019
After he shot Russell Toby, which makes him one of the most evil people in Doctor Who ever.

1043
01:06:07.139 --> 01:06:08.639
Wow, I must watch that again.

1044
01:06:08.699 --> 01:06:09.840
I missed that this Christmas.

1045
01:06:09.900 --> 01:06:13.739
It is kind of terrible, but I forgot that Jeffrey Palmer is in it. fantastic.

1046
01:06:13.800 --> 01:06:15.840
And of course, Paul Darrow.

1047
01:06:15.900 --> 01:06:18.119
Yes, very young.

1048
01:06:18.119 --> 01:06:19.500
Jimmy Darrow for this.

1049
01:06:19.559 --> 01:06:23.219
Yes, we've had Jimmy Monroe and Jimmy Bloody Everybody, Jimmy.

1050
01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:24.780
Yeah, that's Jimmy.

1051
01:06:24.780 --> 01:06:27.420
Jimmy's Magic Flute from HR Puff and stuff.

1052
01:06:27.480 --> 01:06:30.119
I think was a captain in the next story, isn't it?

1053
01:06:30.179 --> 01:06:34.500
Yeah, it's really weird that we keep having changing unit captains.

1054
01:06:34.559 --> 01:06:35.460
Was there a reason for that?

1055
01:06:35.519 --> 01:06:36.179
Cool.

1056
01:06:36.179 --> 01:06:37.019
I'm glad you asked.

1057
01:06:37.079 --> 01:06:39.360
Yeah, there was...

1058
01:06:39.420 --> 01:06:41.099
Derek's just smooth as tap on.

1059
01:06:41.159 --> 01:06:42.599
Derek Sherwin had this thing.

1060
01:06:42.659 --> 01:06:53.039
I won't call it an idea that it looks so much more capacious and UN and not just another episode of the Champions if you have a completely different underling team, every single story.

1061
01:06:53.159 --> 01:06:54.119
It will seem vast.

1062
01:06:54.179 --> 01:06:54.840
No, it won't.

1063
01:06:54.900 --> 01:07:01.139
It'll seem choppy and discordant and that's why we get Mr. Benton for the rest of her happy years.

1064
01:07:01.199 --> 01:07:03.300
And then we get, and another captain coming in.

1065
01:07:03.360 --> 01:07:04.860
Not called Jimmy next year.

1066
01:07:04.980 --> 01:07:11.760
Well, in fact, in fact, he is kind of right because next year when it does settle down to being, you know, Captain...

1067
01:07:11.760 --> 01:07:12.780
Dad's army in the future.

1068
01:07:12.840 --> 01:07:16.019
Well, you know, now unit consists of 4 people, essentially.

1069
01:07:16.079 --> 01:07:17.639
It's not true, actually, isn't it?

1070
01:07:18.179 --> 01:07:29.340
At the same time, when you see senior army officers in anything else, they do have an adjutant, they have one person who is their assistant. you know.

1071
01:07:29.400 --> 01:07:30.659
So it is understandable.

1072
01:07:30.719 --> 01:07:33.300
But yeah, at the same time, unit does start to feel a bit smaller.

1073
01:07:33.360 --> 01:07:34.920
I miss Captain Monroe.

1074
01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:36.840
Captain Monroe was great.

1075
01:07:36.900 --> 01:07:38.340
But Captain Hawkins.

1076
01:07:38.400 --> 01:07:40.380
Paul Darrow, he's not actually that bad.

1077
01:07:40.440 --> 01:07:42.059
He plays his dead streak.

1078
01:07:42.119 --> 01:07:43.260
No, he doesn't.

1079
01:07:43.320 --> 01:07:44.639
He's really camp again.

1080
01:07:44.699 --> 01:07:55.860
And he hasn't quite, you know, he hasn't quite got that snarling over enunciation that Avon has, but he still he still waves his gun around the way that Avon does in this sort of massively.

1081
01:07:55.920 --> 01:07:58.320
Yeah, sort of florid way.

1082
01:07:58.380 --> 01:08:00.659
He's saluting the troops at the colour, yes.

1083
01:08:00.719 --> 01:08:01.800
He's fabulous.

1084
01:08:01.860 --> 01:08:05.699
He is really great and he's got a very sort of piercing voice.

1085
01:08:05.760 --> 01:08:08.760
He'll come back as male and tanker and he'll sort of out.

1086
01:08:08.940 --> 01:08:10.500
Colin Baker.

1087
01:08:10.559 --> 01:08:11.940
Like, it's not a great moment.

1088
01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:17.640
He's revenge camping Colin Baker there, but I suppose here no one has wronged him yet.

1089
01:08:17.699 --> 01:08:19.380
So he gives a lovely.

1090
01:08:19.439 --> 01:08:21.479
I actually think it's quite an understated performance.

1091
01:08:21.539 --> 01:08:23.279
For him, I think it really is.

1092
01:08:23.340 --> 01:08:23.699
Yeah.

1093
01:08:23.699 --> 01:08:27.180
And the one sort of pity about that is...

1094
01:08:27.180 --> 01:08:29.579
You don't even know if he dies or not.

1095
01:08:29.640 --> 01:08:32.699
Like a Silurian zaps him for a 2nd and he falls down.

1096
01:08:32.760 --> 01:08:33.840
And he never sees me again.

1097
01:08:33.899 --> 01:08:34.800
Yeah, he's probably dead.

1098
01:08:34.920 --> 01:08:39.539
Miss Dawson, who catches the plague and then we never hear.

1099
01:08:39.600 --> 01:08:40.560
I'm sure she's better.

1100
01:08:40.619 --> 01:08:44.939
I'm sure she's visiting her mother soon after, you know, everything explodes.

1101
01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:51.899
And she and she finds and nice gentlemen to settle down with, which is, you know, what she wanted.

1102
01:08:51.960 --> 01:08:54.180
Yeah, she wanted to find someone to take care of.

1103
01:08:54.239 --> 01:08:55.979
Maybe octail survives.

1104
01:08:56.039 --> 01:08:58.199
Yes, she settles down with him.

1105
01:08:58.260 --> 01:09:02.579
Initially, how about how about Miss Dawkins and Captain Hawkins?

1106
01:09:02.640 --> 01:09:05.640
Oh, that would be, this story is a bit Old Testament.

1107
01:09:05.699 --> 01:09:07.800
They all die horribly in one of the many plays.

1108
01:09:08.640 --> 01:09:11.880
Maybe she settles down with Ivan Orton.

1109
01:09:11.939 --> 01:09:13.859
Did you notice that in Spearhead?

1110
01:09:13.859 --> 01:09:22.619
Because they re- they reshot the space sphincter in the space tank for the final episode, that was a re- that was a remount.

1111
01:09:22.680 --> 01:09:23.159
Yeah, yeah.

1112
01:09:23.220 --> 01:09:27.000
They remounted the Space Fix, which is why...

1113
01:09:27.060 --> 01:09:30.000
Which is why it's brilliant the only bit in the story.

1114
01:09:30.300 --> 01:09:32.340
I reckon that Pertwee looks relaxed.

1115
01:09:32.399 --> 01:09:35.880
Because he knew it was a reshoot and if they got it wrong, they'd do it again.

1116
01:09:35.939 --> 01:09:37.140
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1117
01:09:37.199 --> 01:09:43.380
But Hugh Burton had was back doing his other show on ITC based on the Edgar Waller stories.

1118
01:09:43.439 --> 01:09:50.220
So it's a bloke lying down in Channing's suit, but he's billed as Ivan Orton.

1119
01:09:50.279 --> 01:09:53.399
Oh, yeah, Ivan Orton.

1120
01:09:53.460 --> 01:09:53.880
Brilliant.

1121
01:09:53.939 --> 01:10:02.460
So it's probably Torah Wilcox or Barry Glitter or someone or Jimmy Savile, someone famous that we own or don't want to know.

1122
01:10:02.520 --> 01:10:05.159
Yeah, we don't want to.

1123
01:10:05.159 --> 01:10:05.699
We don't know.

1124
01:10:06.539 --> 01:10:15.779
And I just want to send out there a very big thank you to the restoration team because the colour version of this story is pretty damn good.

1125
01:10:15.779 --> 01:10:17.880
I loved the black and white version as a child.

1126
01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:19.680
Once I finally actually sat down and watched it.

1127
01:10:19.739 --> 01:10:22.739
And then I never saw the colour VHS.

1128
01:10:22.800 --> 01:10:32.100
So the 1st time I saw it in colour was when I bought the DVD and it was like, 0 my god, the base meeting room is burnt orange. horrible.

1129
01:10:32.159 --> 01:10:33.479
There's a lot of orange in this story.

1130
01:10:33.539 --> 01:10:36.359
Yeah, actually the young Silurian is pretty orange too.

1131
01:10:36.420 --> 01:10:39.960
And the Silurian base, I think benefits from colour as well.

1132
01:10:40.020 --> 01:10:43.380
Yeah, it's very sort of agate green.

1133
01:10:43.439 --> 01:10:50.159
Well, there's a lot of really weird psychedelic colours that are coming up this particularly next season.

1134
01:10:50.220 --> 01:10:50.939
Yeah.

1135
01:10:50.939 --> 01:10:54.779
Next season, I think it hits a time, but it is a feature of the Perto era.

1136
01:10:54.840 --> 01:11:02.880
So we've had black and white now we have this really, really kind of off-putting psychedelic kind of rock top of the pops.

1137
01:11:02.939 --> 01:11:06.420
We're not just in colour wearing bloody colour.

1138
01:11:06.479 --> 01:11:14.279
You know, the opening titles were going to have pert wheat frocking about with his cape and his cape would rise and drop to reveal the swirls.

1139
01:11:14.340 --> 01:11:21.119
That was one version they filmed, or one where he's doing a Christopher Lee Dracula thing with his arms outstretched in the Coke wings.

1140
01:11:21.239 --> 01:11:23.640
And one way famously is, but we saved himself.

1141
01:11:23.699 --> 01:11:24.720
I had 3 noses.

1142
01:11:24.779 --> 01:11:25.920
So we didn't go with that one.

1143
01:11:26.220 --> 01:11:29.399
Which is different to the usual.

1144
01:11:29.460 --> 01:11:33.239
Did you feel that it was a bit, the score of this cut?

1145
01:11:33.300 --> 01:11:36.239
You either love it or hated, you know, because as we know, there's mediaeval instruments.

1146
01:11:36.300 --> 01:11:43.619
It isn't synth, some of it, it sounds like synth is actually a mediaeval oboe that he played to Barry Letts down the phone and he said, it sounded execrable.

1147
01:11:44.819 --> 01:11:47.640
But how do you feel about the sound of this?

1148
01:11:47.760 --> 01:11:49.859
Do you know, I really like it.

1149
01:11:49.920 --> 01:11:53.220
Yes, do I. It's not doing what Doctor Who themes do now.

1150
01:11:53.279 --> 01:11:59.579
It is just sort of creating weird counterpoints to the action or something.

1151
01:11:59.640 --> 01:12:01.859
It's quite intrusive, isn't it?

1152
01:12:01.920 --> 01:12:02.640
But then, really?

1153
01:12:02.640 --> 01:12:05.880
I think it balances the Salurian calling device.

1154
01:12:05.880 --> 01:12:07.199
Yeah, really nicely.

1155
01:12:07.260 --> 01:12:14.340
And, you know, it's some things like when we're in the cage, you'll hear dripping water and the music will sound like dripping water.

1156
01:12:14.399 --> 01:12:15.600
It'll sound like where we are.

1157
01:12:15.659 --> 01:12:19.260
It'll sound a bit more technological or it will sound a bit more natural.

1158
01:12:19.319 --> 01:12:20.340
Um, I think.

1159
01:12:20.340 --> 01:12:23.220
Oh, clutes, crumbles and circumstance.

1160
01:12:23.279 --> 01:12:24.300
That what you're hearing in those things.

1161
01:12:24.359 --> 01:12:25.319
Yes, of course.

1162
01:12:25.380 --> 01:12:27.600
I just think it's really atmospheric.

1163
01:12:28.260 --> 01:12:37.739
And because it's surprising because it's not electronic and it has the sound of breathing in it and something that doesn't belong to our time or our place.

1164
01:12:37.859 --> 01:12:50.100
Look, I mean, by sort of next year or the year after, we'll think of this as sort of classical music, because the entire sort of per twee score thing goes completely mental.

1165
01:12:50.100 --> 01:12:50.880
Yeah, Dudley Jones.

1166
01:12:50.939 --> 01:12:53.819
Yeah, and Malcolm...

1167
01:12:53.880 --> 01:12:57.239
No, it's like someone playing a single ringtone.

1168
01:12:58.680 --> 01:13:04.020
We get carried back for Death to the Daleks and Revenge of the Cybermen. watching the song.

1169
01:13:04.020 --> 01:13:04.439
Yeah.

1170
01:13:04.500 --> 01:13:05.399
What exactly?

1171
01:13:05.399 --> 01:13:07.020
Jets of the Dianx has got gray.

1172
01:13:07.020 --> 01:13:07.979
I love it.

1173
01:13:07.979 --> 01:13:13.260
And the other, the saxophone. watching this again, I thought, oh, actually, I didn't watch it.

1174
01:13:13.319 --> 01:13:18.300
I listened to Carrie reading it on the audio, like I just got right here.

1175
01:13:18.359 --> 01:13:19.800
Terrific, isn't it?

1176
01:13:19.859 --> 01:13:21.180
She does the best pert.

1177
01:13:21.239 --> 01:13:22.979
I really enjoyed it this time. is wonderful.

1178
01:13:23.039 --> 01:13:24.180
I love those podcasts.

1179
01:13:24.479 --> 01:13:29.279
I'm listening to it this time around in that version really worked for me. really worked for me.

1180
01:13:29.579 --> 01:13:32.880
Carrie Plyton, I should say, I mean, Carrie John.

1181
01:13:32.939 --> 01:13:43.739
Carrie Blythe and other great calls the fame of adding the clarinet to the Andy Pandy theme, writing the bananas in pyjamas theme for which he got constantly paid.

1182
01:13:43.800 --> 01:13:44.880
He didn't really have to work after that.

1183
01:13:44.939 --> 01:13:46.739
And his aunt wrote the noddy theme.

1184
01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:50.340
So when you're thinking this sounds a little bit like Play School, you're actually right.

1185
01:13:52.020 --> 01:14:08.640
The last thing I want to talk about is just the technology in the story and specifically the Cyclotron, which being used as a method of power was quite unusual, but much like the use of plate tectonics in the plot, it was cutting edge science at the time.

1186
01:14:08.699 --> 01:14:13.920
A lot of palaeontologists still didn't believe that plate technonics were a thing in 1917.

1187
01:14:14.159 --> 01:14:15.539
I know it's so weird, isn't it?

1188
01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:19.079
We just think we must have always known that, but it was really recent.

1189
01:14:19.140 --> 01:14:21.659
We didn't even know about black holes when this was filmed.

1190
01:14:21.720 --> 01:14:23.279
No, 3 years off, yeah.

1191
01:14:23.340 --> 01:14:28.859
But the Cyclotron very much interested me because when I sort of really listened to what it does.

1192
01:14:28.920 --> 01:14:32.039
I'm like, that's just a large Hadrinkolider.

1193
01:14:32.100 --> 01:14:33.119
That's CERN.

1194
01:14:33.180 --> 01:14:34.439
It's a particle accelerator.

1195
01:14:34.439 --> 01:14:35.640
Yeah, it's described.

1196
01:14:35.760 --> 01:14:46.199
And, you know, it's amazing that We go from that being a cutting edge idea in 1970 to being a mainstream idea.

1197
01:14:46.260 --> 01:14:57.960
Certain part, certainly particle accelerators and particle colliders existed before the large hadron collider, but that's really when it hit currency in about 2010 with people going, 0 my god, yeah, that's amazing.

1198
01:14:58.020 --> 01:15:00.659
Look at that. 40 years.

1199
01:15:00.720 --> 01:15:01.380
That's it.

1200
01:15:01.439 --> 01:15:02.340
How is it going?

1201
01:15:02.399 --> 01:15:07.140
years ago and Peter Miles had one..

1202
01:15:07.199 --> 01:15:09.060
How was going to be a power source?

1203
01:15:10.079 --> 01:15:13.380
Well, I mean, is the other thing the Van Allen belt as well?

1204
01:15:13.500 --> 01:15:16.500
Yes, I mean, science that we'd get from, is that the thing?

1205
01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:21.180
Yeah, the schoolboys were riding into Mac Holt, according to the production office, saying, got that long.

1206
01:15:21.180 --> 01:15:22.920
Yeah, yeah.

1207
01:15:23.039 --> 01:15:26.819
Yeah, apparently is a thing, but it wouldn't have actually affected the way they were talking.

1208
01:15:26.880 --> 01:15:27.420
Oh, okay.

1209
01:15:27.479 --> 01:15:27.899
Yeah.

1210
01:15:27.960 --> 01:15:35.340
But there is a belt of the atmosphere, whose name escapes me at the moment, where if you stripped that away, would have the effect Liz was talking about.

1211
01:15:35.399 --> 01:15:37.260
The ozone lighter.

1212
01:15:37.319 --> 01:15:38.939
We've lost that.

1213
01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:39.720
Quite possibly.

1214
01:15:39.779 --> 01:15:41.279
No, we haven't.

1215
01:15:41.279 --> 01:15:41.760
Almost.

1216
01:15:41.819 --> 01:15:43.380
A cup burnt phone.

1217
01:15:43.800 --> 01:15:45.539
We're inside.

1218
01:15:46.319 --> 01:15:49.020
There is a kind of moral dilemma here.

1219
01:15:49.079 --> 01:15:52.199
And the very last moment, I think, is pretty well done.

1220
01:15:52.260 --> 01:15:54.720
So you've got the doctor and Liz in Bessie.

1221
01:15:54.779 --> 01:15:55.920
Bessie stalled.

1222
01:15:55.979 --> 01:16:00.000
The brigadier thinks the doctor and Lisa have gone already, but they haven't.

1223
01:16:00.060 --> 01:16:05.159
The doctor does something very Troutonian with his uh, with the car.

1224
01:16:05.220 --> 01:16:08.760
He puts something silly in the in the crack.

1225
01:16:08.819 --> 01:16:10.619
Yeah, tracks it.

1226
01:16:10.680 --> 01:16:11.039
It's cute.

1227
01:16:11.880 --> 01:16:20.340
So there's a little bit of silly fun and and Liz is wearing like an atrocious headscarf for no kind of reason.

1228
01:16:20.460 --> 01:16:30.239
And then things start exploding and it turns out that the brigadier has killed all of the Siurians, that they've all been exploded.

1229
01:16:30.300 --> 01:16:33.779
He's blown up the sleeping banks as well, is blown up.

1230
01:16:33.840 --> 01:16:35.399
Yeah, that's and that's how we meant to read it.

1231
01:16:35.460 --> 01:16:36.720
It is so genocide.

1232
01:16:36.779 --> 01:16:42.119
And it's a really cold, cool, realistic moment for pert weed.

1233
01:16:42.180 --> 01:16:45.420
It's kind of the birth and death of Doctor Who in these last 2 stories.

1234
01:16:45.479 --> 01:16:51.899
This is the season 7, beginning and end with the previous story in this one, and after this, we'll have a whole different show.

1235
01:16:51.960 --> 01:16:53.039
Barry Letts did this.

1236
01:16:53.100 --> 01:16:54.960
This was Barry's writing at the end of it.

1237
01:16:55.020 --> 01:16:56.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1238
01:16:56.279 --> 01:17:00.359
The doctor in Mac Hulk's script was apparently getting all excited about the new science-y stuff.

1239
01:17:00.359 --> 01:17:01.800
That was scripted.

1240
01:17:01.859 --> 01:17:06.420
But there was no death to the infidels as you get in this one.

1241
01:17:06.539 --> 01:17:08.939
Well, it's appalling, isn't it?

1242
01:17:09.000 --> 01:17:12.300
Well, like I, Santa says it blows up the program.

1243
01:17:12.359 --> 01:17:12.960
Do you know what I mean?

1244
01:17:13.020 --> 01:17:18.000
He says, well, you know, why on earth would the doctor ever consider continuing to work?

1245
01:17:18.060 --> 01:17:20.939
Yeah, why would you come back after the, it's his moral duty?

1246
01:17:21.000 --> 01:17:21.840
moral duty?

1247
01:17:21.899 --> 01:17:25.439
But I actually think that the script does go out of its way to try and justify it.

1248
01:17:25.500 --> 01:17:31.079
So, you know, Morca, um, is staying alive.

1249
01:17:31.140 --> 01:17:32.100
Do you know what I mean?

1250
01:17:32.159 --> 01:17:33.180
He's not.

1251
01:17:33.239 --> 01:17:34.739
And he's going to release everyone again.

1252
01:17:34.800 --> 01:17:36.239
He's about to release.

1253
01:17:36.239 --> 01:17:37.380
So he's about to release everyone.

1254
01:17:37.439 --> 01:17:44.939
Everyone's set anyway to wake up in 50 years time and Morpus says make sure that you kill all the humans, you know, or deal with them and stuff.

1255
01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:54.479
And with the death of octail, you know, again, we have this thing where the Silurians are meant to be people, but they're just sort of genocidal lizards, really, with the exception of octail.

1256
01:17:54.539 --> 01:17:57.239
You know, all of them are quite willing to kill everyone.

1257
01:17:57.420 --> 01:18:01.859
And so, you know, it is painted as a moral dilemma.

1258
01:18:01.920 --> 01:18:07.500
It's certainly directed that way and the very last shot of the story is, you know, explosions on the hillside.

1259
01:18:07.560 --> 01:18:15.479
So we are left with that image, but I have to say the script tries at least to justify the brigadier's position.

1260
01:18:15.539 --> 01:18:17.640
It's very up to date, is it?

1261
01:18:17.760 --> 01:18:22.920
What it also does is it really enhances the characters we've got.

1262
01:18:22.979 --> 01:18:27.899
You know, it shows us that the brigadier is ruthless in the pursuit of his duty.

1263
01:18:27.960 --> 01:18:35.340
But it's also a great character moment for Liz because in the revised version of the script.

1264
01:18:35.520 --> 01:18:37.079
Liz was in on it.

1265
01:18:37.140 --> 01:18:44.100
Liz knew what the brigady had made and so sort of bundled the doctor out of the place and then they broke down and...

1266
01:18:44.159 --> 01:18:47.939
Well, Carol and John actually put her foot down and said, well, no, I think Liz would agree with the doctor.

1267
01:18:48.000 --> 01:18:50.279
She a scientist and she's not a murderer.

1268
01:18:50.340 --> 01:18:56.340
And but we said, how is the doctor meant to live with this character of Liz?

1269
01:18:56.399 --> 01:18:56.939
She's his friend.

1270
01:18:57.000 --> 01:18:58.260
The brigadier is just a colleague.

1271
01:18:58.319 --> 01:19:00.960
You know, he can sort of put that, he can't do that with his friends.

1272
01:19:01.020 --> 01:19:01.979
They're stuck up for each other.

1273
01:19:02.039 --> 01:19:09.840
Similarly, right at the beginning of the story, when they go down into the caves, in the script, Liz was meant to go down into the caves in her miniskirt.

1274
01:19:09.840 --> 01:19:12.479
And Carolyn John was like, well, that's a bit stupid.

1275
01:19:12.539 --> 01:19:14.340
Why can't, you know, it's not realistic.

1276
01:19:14.399 --> 01:19:17.460
And Pertwee actually said that director, that That's completely ridiculous.

1277
01:19:17.520 --> 01:19:22.979
The doctor would not hang out with anyone so stupid as to go caving in a miniskirt, get her into a boiler suit.

1278
01:19:23.100 --> 01:19:26.640
So, you know, but it's the only time of his life he ever said that.

1279
01:19:26.699 --> 01:19:29.100
Yeah, it all changes next to you.

1280
01:19:29.159 --> 01:19:33.840
But, you know, we have heard stories that John and Kara may not have got on.

1281
01:19:33.899 --> 01:19:36.840
There was apparently some tension between them on the 75 doctors.

1282
01:19:36.899 --> 01:19:48.000
But really, more recently, um, with the now sadly departed Carrie John on DVD extras, it sounds like there was a great deal of um, fondness and respect between them.

1283
01:19:48.060 --> 01:19:52.859
I think you were saying earlier, Richard, she idolised him and he was amazed because she'd worked with Olivier.

1284
01:19:52.920 --> 01:19:53.579
Yeah.

1285
01:19:53.579 --> 01:19:55.079
They are nice together.

1286
01:19:55.140 --> 01:19:56.460
I think they are nice.

1287
01:19:56.579 --> 01:19:57.180
Their dream team.

1288
01:19:57.239 --> 01:19:58.979
I'd have liked another year, thanks.

1289
01:19:59.039 --> 01:20:04.199
I mean, it wasn't possible because she was ready to find out. or alone.

1290
01:20:16.380 --> 01:20:21.300
Well, that's, um, that's all the time we have for these two stories.

1291
01:20:21.420 --> 01:20:28.920
We will be back to discuss the ambassador's death and inferno, but just before we go, gentlemen, do we know what yesterday was?

1292
01:20:30.479 --> 01:20:31.979
Saturday.

1293
01:20:32.039 --> 01:20:40.859
It was Saturday, the 3rd of January, therefore 45 years since the broadcast of episode one of Spearhead from Space.

1294
01:20:40.920 --> 01:20:42.840
Oh, how exciting.

1295
01:20:42.899 --> 01:20:44.760
In the UK, not here, yeah.

1296
01:20:44.819 --> 01:20:47.100
Yeah, in the UK. 45 years.

1297
01:20:47.159 --> 01:20:47.819
Goodness.

1298
01:20:47.880 --> 01:20:49.020
Just seems like yesterday.

1299
01:20:49.079 --> 01:20:52.319
So, celebrating 45 years of pert week.

1300
01:20:52.380 --> 01:20:53.880
This is quite through entirety signing off.

1301
01:20:53.939 --> 01:20:54.180
Good night.

1302
01:20:54.239 --> 01:20:54.779
Good night.

1303
01:20:54.840 --> 01:20:55.319
Goodbye.

1304
01:20:55.380 --> 01:20:55.619
Thank you.

1305
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That was Fletcher Entitled to you, Nathan Bottle, Roman Jones, and Richard Stone.

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This episode, they've cancelled my show, was recorded on January the 3rd, 2015.

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The next episode will be released on February 2nd.

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You can find us online to entirety.com, fly the entirety on Facebook and iTunes at FTA podcast on Twitter.

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I'm not sure if we're with 150000000 pins, but that seems a very odd unit of currency anyway.

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Do you remember the, um, The French and Saunders sketch.

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With the solorians.

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I am the side you're in, and I'm going on my tea break.