WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 15:00:09 1 00:00:36.060 --> 00:00:39.899 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety. 2 00:00:40.020 --> 00:00:48.119 The only Doctor Who podcast exploring an exciting new retail opportunity right in the heart of the 5th moon of Cinda Callista. 3 00:00:48.179 --> 00:00:49.979 I'm Nathan. 4 00:00:50.039 --> 00:00:50.520 I am Brendan. 5 00:00:50.579 --> 00:00:53.100 I'm Joe. And I'm Jack. 6 00:00:53.159 --> 00:01:03.299 Well, we're nearing the end of the season now, so we've decided to give Amy the week off and to spend some quality bro time with our new flatmate TV's James Corden. 7 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:10.620 It's a week of football, heterosexuality, and neglecting the housework as we discuss the lodger. 8 00:01:25.680 --> 00:01:30.120 So, Joe, your English, why does everyone hate James Corden? 9 00:01:30.239 --> 00:01:37.920 I've got absolutely no idea, because I think he's rather wonderful, and I thought he was rather wonderful in this episode, as well. 10 00:01:37.980 --> 00:01:41.640 What you say to me, I mean, what did you think of James Gordon in this? 11 00:01:41.760 --> 00:01:43.920 I really like him. 12 00:01:43.920 --> 00:01:47.340 I think he does a great job and I think he has great chemistry with Matt. 13 00:01:47.640 --> 00:01:52.620 I sometimes think of it, it's because he's, um, he's successful. 14 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:59.159 Like, he's he's somebody who started off in, uh, like doing sketch shows and sitcoms and things like that. 15 00:01:59.219 --> 00:02:03.239 Popped off to America and has made a fantastic career for himself. 16 00:02:03.299 --> 00:02:07.019 But in this episode, I thought he was absolutely brilliant. 17 00:02:07.140 --> 00:02:12.659 I thought, uh, very, well, not charismatic, but very likeable, very relatable and very funny. 18 00:02:13.259 --> 00:02:18.180 He has a sort of every man shtick, I think, that works really well. 19 00:02:18.300 --> 00:02:20.520 You know, like he's not too attractive. 20 00:02:20.580 --> 00:02:24.539 He's not too confident and that's exactly what the role needs, I think. 21 00:02:25.439 --> 00:02:44.520 And there's definitely a bit, the role requires James Corden to be a bit of a good sport because they do make fun of him quite relentlessly throughout the episode at various points in a very affectionate way, but nonetheless, it's when they're calling him like the sofa man and all that kind of stuff. 22 00:02:45.180 --> 00:02:58.560 I actually think he plays the reaction to that absolutely beautifully, you know, like, um, it could so easily have gone wrong and we don't quite know, you know, how he's going to react to the doctor because the doctor is so odd. 23 00:02:58.620 --> 00:03:12.180 And when he says that you're starting to look like your sofa line and Craig responds by laughing kind of and making it clear that it's sort of, you know, slightly the wrong thing to say. 24 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:16.620 Um, yeah, I think I think they have a great chemistry together. 25 00:03:16.740 --> 00:03:22.860 And of course, James Corden was just coming off the back of the original run of Gavin and Stacy. 26 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:27.780 Yep. at this and, of course, also had Horn and Corden, the sketch comedy show. 27 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:35.280 So getting him, I think he almost had the same profile as, say, getting Catherine Tate. 28 00:03:35.340 --> 00:03:38.219 Yeah, it is a big sort of casting thing. 29 00:03:38.219 --> 00:03:40.020 And we have had a few of those this year. 30 00:03:40.439 --> 00:03:44.580 Yeah, yeah, we've had Sophie Okinito, we've had Miracial. 31 00:03:44.699 --> 00:03:45.240 Yeah. 32 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:47.039 Um, just Olivia Coleman. 33 00:03:47.039 --> 00:03:49.259 Olivia Coleman for 10 seconds, yeah. 34 00:03:49.319 --> 00:03:55.439 Oh, what a waste of Olivia Coleman. 10 seconds of Olivia Coleman. coming soon to HBO. 35 00:03:55.500 --> 00:04:00.479 It is nice to see like a guest act well spotlight here. 36 00:04:00.539 --> 00:04:14.039 I think that is one of the weaknesses of this era, is occasionally people like Arabella Weir and Bill Bailey and Olivia Coleman are wasted on like tiny roles, whereas it's nice, you know, this is James Gordon's episode, you know, and he gets another one as well. 37 00:04:14.099 --> 00:04:17.639 And should we mention Daisy Haggard as well? 38 00:04:17.699 --> 00:04:19.199 Oh, marvellous. 39 00:04:19.259 --> 00:04:23.459 I don't know that she's quite as big at that point. 40 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:28.439 But she would still be recognisable to the audience. 41 00:04:28.500 --> 00:04:34.620 You know, it would be a matter of casual viewers tuning in would go, oh, it's that bloke and that and that woman. 42 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:35.819 I know them. 43 00:04:35.879 --> 00:04:43.920 I mean, I loved her since Psychoville, where she's like super stupid and super evil. 44 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:53.879 And then she's in episodes where she plays the head of comedy at that American TV network who doesn't get jokes and sort of never laughs or anything. 45 00:04:53.939 --> 00:04:56.040 And she's only quite amazing. 46 00:04:56.100 --> 00:05:00.779 And of course, since then she's gone on to create back to life, which I just think is really terrific. 47 00:05:00.839 --> 00:05:07.439 So she's a big catch, perhaps more in retrospect than at the time. 48 00:05:07.800 --> 00:05:14.040 And I think she's matched very perfectly against James Corden as well. 49 00:05:14.100 --> 00:05:36.420 Um, because especially in their opening scenes, um, together, after you kind of get through the sort of sci-fi hook with the doctor being dumped off, uh, on Earth, they build the kind of the, the, the history of their relationship and their kind of dynamic and the kind of awkwardness about, they both feel the same way, but they don't want to talk about. 50 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:41.100 They do that together so quickly before the doctor even shows up at the doorstep. 51 00:05:41.160 --> 00:05:42.899 It's they're brilliant together as well. 52 00:05:43.079 --> 00:05:46.139 This is a doctor who doing a comedy sitcom. 53 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:49.740 So the chemistry has got to be there and it really is. 54 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:53.220 Like, I think from the very 1st scene, there's great chemistry between those two. 55 00:05:53.339 --> 00:05:56.279 And you have to want them to get together and you do. 56 00:05:56.339 --> 00:05:57.540 Yeah. 57 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:01.920 I still say pizza booze telly all the time from this episode. 58 00:06:01.980 --> 00:06:09.060 That's a thing that I do every week is go over to my friend Robert's place and have pizza booze tally and it absolutely comes from that. 59 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:11.100 And there's a real warmth to that. 60 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:23.160 And, and I just love, you know, how reluctant she is to go and see her friend Melina because pizza boost Hell is so, you know, so important to her. 61 00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:28.259 And he's sort of disappointed when she says on the phone, oh, it's nothing. 62 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:30.240 I just, you know, it's just Craig. 63 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:42.720 But both of them, so both of them are downplaying pizza booze telly is an important thing to do, but both of them clearly, clearly love doing it and just love hanging out with each other. 64 00:06:43.259 --> 00:06:52.860 Yeah, one of my favourite little things in that scene is when James Cornen, he's got the pizza menu in his hand and he just throws it away, like it means nothing. 65 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:59.699 He's like, oh, yeah, it's just, it's just pizza boots. doesn't mean anything and he just like, he like throws it as far as away as he can. 66 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:00.540 It's so sweet. 67 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:02.879 And particularly with those characters. 68 00:07:02.939 --> 00:07:07.259 They feel really worn in, if that makes sense. 69 00:07:07.319 --> 00:07:24.600 Like, uh, when, um, you know, the doorbell rings and Craig realises that um, she's left her keys behind, that he says like every, like every time, um, and there's just like all those little things, like, it's the pizza booze and telly that they've clearly been doing this for ages. 70 00:07:24.660 --> 00:07:27.420 She's leaving her keys behind all the time. 71 00:07:27.480 --> 00:07:36.420 There's the photo of them on the fridge, which is immediately drawn attention to, and you just get a sense of how long they've been friends for, which I think is really lovely. 72 00:07:37.319 --> 00:07:38.939 Yeah, yeah. 73 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:53.879 And there's all these little moments in the episode where James Corden does something nonchalantly to hide how he's really feeling, like throwing the pizza menu, and then there's just this little flicker on his face of nobody throws a pizza menu to show. 74 00:07:53.939 --> 00:07:59.040 Yeah, it's it's that moment from friends where Joey says, you can't say you're breezy. 75 00:07:59.100 --> 00:08:04.560 That negates the fact that you're breezy. he's doing that all the way through. 76 00:08:04.620 --> 00:08:16.620 And it's a rom-com, but it also has a sort of 1940s screwball kind of mentality to the way Craig is written. 77 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:21.180 Like, you could imagine, say, Jerry Lewis or Donald O'Connor playing this part. 78 00:08:21.300 --> 00:08:22.680 Yeah. 79 00:08:22.740 --> 00:08:34.919 Yeah, I, I think, I think it's really, it's really warm and really lovely and the 2 of them bring, they bring that and they bring the believability. to it. 80 00:08:34.980 --> 00:08:39.299 And then, of course, that all gets steamrolled over once the doctor arrives. 81 00:08:45.419 --> 00:08:50.879 I'm guessing the reception must have been strong enough for this episode because is it done? 82 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:51.960 It's the next season, isn't it? 83 00:08:52.019 --> 00:08:52.919 They're back again, both of them. 84 00:08:52.980 --> 00:08:54.720 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 85 00:08:54.779 --> 00:08:58.019 Daisy Haggard just for a little bit, but James Gordon for a whole episode. 86 00:08:58.080 --> 00:09:05.940 Yeah, no, I can only imagine that Moffatt has just spoken to the writer and said, do it again, you know, do it again next year. 87 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:13.139 And he does that. in a sort of surprisingly similar way, which maybe we'll talk about when we get to it. 88 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:22.320 I still can't believe that there's a Doctor Who romantic sitcom in the Moffatt era that's not written by Stephen Moffatt, given that that's where he's come from. 89 00:09:22.379 --> 00:09:24.779 They handed that to another writer. 90 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:36.059 Well, I think, you know, like, I think probably Roberts and Moffatt have a pretty good relationship and Roberts is one of the experienced writers that he's brought across this year. 91 00:09:36.120 --> 00:09:56.519 And you can see that there are similarities thematically between this story and season 5 as a whole because season 5, as we've said many, many times over the last few episodes, is about a woman running away from adulthood and avoiding her wedding. 92 00:09:56.580 --> 00:10:02.039 And these 2 aren't, you know, avoiding getting married for quite the same reasons. 93 00:10:02.100 --> 00:10:03.779 They're just terribly clueless. 94 00:10:04.259 --> 00:10:07.559 But it's the same sort of theme. 95 00:10:07.620 --> 00:10:15.779 And then the following year, you know, there's a baby and that's also uh, upsettingly part of the uh, the series 6 arc. 96 00:10:16.860 --> 00:10:24.539 I think it's really interesting actually, now that you mention it, because you're right, the whole series is about Amy running away from her own wedding. 97 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:38.039 Um, and then in this episode where she's not there, you've got these 2 people who are kind of avoiding, uh, who are too nervous to fall into the, into their relationship, but they don't run away. 98 00:10:38.100 --> 00:10:38.879 They do the opposite. 99 00:10:38.940 --> 00:10:40.379 They stay exactly put. 100 00:10:40.440 --> 00:10:43.200 Um, and just stay rooted. 101 00:10:43.259 --> 00:10:46.080 They have all these dreams about maybe going somewhere. 102 00:10:46.139 --> 00:10:49.860 Well, Sophie in particular, it talks about going elsewhere, but she stays here. 103 00:10:49.919 --> 00:10:55.559 Uh, and it's the complete opposite of Amy, where, you know, she runs away the night before a wedding. 104 00:10:55.799 --> 00:11:05.580 Yeah, I think I think that's the thing that's really well drawn and it's obviously important for the science fiction plot, which we're not going to get to for a long time because it's super tedious. 105 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:13.980 But, um, you know, the idea that both of them are stuck where they are. basically because they love one another. 106 00:11:14.039 --> 00:11:24.179 So, um, Sophie is of no interest to the man upstairs at the beginning of the story because she wants to be with Craig and she says to the doctor, all my friends are here. 107 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:32.700 It'd be scary to go anywhere else and Craig famously can't see the point of London and can't see the point of Paris or anything like that. 108 00:11:32.759 --> 00:11:35.639 He just wants to be where he is. 109 00:11:36.179 --> 00:11:39.299 And it can't really explain why either. 110 00:11:39.419 --> 00:11:43.200 The doctor actually kind of asks him and he just kind of goes, oh, it's comfortable. 111 00:11:43.259 --> 00:11:43.799 It's nice. 112 00:11:44.159 --> 00:11:45.779 Yeah, yeah. 113 00:11:45.840 --> 00:11:49.379 When he says, I don't really see the point of London, he's sort of swirling his wine around it. 114 00:11:49.379 --> 00:11:54.539 I think that's another one of those moments where the interiority of that is, what a bloody stupid statement. 115 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:55.259 It's on the train. 116 00:11:55.679 --> 00:11:58.080 I can go there in an hour. 117 00:11:58.139 --> 00:12:03.299 But that's what I'm what I love so much about the characterisation of these two. 118 00:12:03.360 --> 00:12:06.480 I realised as I was watching this for the for the podcast. 119 00:12:06.899 --> 00:12:13.500 Every time Russell introduces a new companion at the at the top of a season. 120 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:29.220 So Rose, Smith and Jones are partners in crime where he reintroduces Donna, they're always juxtaposed with someone who's not good enough to travel with the doctor because they're phased by all the strange stuff. 121 00:12:29.279 --> 00:12:37.799 So with Rose, it's Mickey, with Martha, it's her friend Julia, who the doctor dismiss is saying leave her, she'll slow us down. 122 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:42.840 And then you've got Penny, the reporter, who's going to report them for weirdness. 123 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:49.500 And here, instead, the writer goes, no, no, no, there is strength in being comfortable. 124 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:54.120 So so long as you are truly comfortable in where you are. 125 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:58.740 So much so that, In an earlier draft of the script. 126 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:08.759 At the end, the doctor takes Craig and Sophie to see the Tartar and offers them a trip and they say, nope, Craig actually says I've got everything I need right here. 127 00:13:08.820 --> 00:13:14.100 And at the beginning of the episode, we're sort of invited to think, oh, that's really sad. 128 00:13:14.159 --> 00:13:16.559 He doesn't want to go to Paris, he doesn't want to do this. want to do that. 129 00:13:16.620 --> 00:13:19.919 With that ending, it's like, no, no, you really do have everything you want. 130 00:13:19.980 --> 00:13:20.820 Yeah. 131 00:13:21.299 --> 00:13:24.480 I mean, we do get the, I could see the point of Paris if you were there with me. 132 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:25.620 Yeah, yeah. 133 00:13:25.679 --> 00:13:27.960 There's a hint of there's a hint of expansion. 134 00:13:28.019 --> 00:13:28.559 Yeah. 135 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:37.980 You know, but it's, it's all, it's also, it's like that moment in Father's Day when Eccleston is talking to the married couple and they're like, we're not important. 136 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:39.120 He's like, of course you're important. 137 00:13:39.179 --> 00:13:41.279 But this actually backs it up. 138 00:13:41.340 --> 00:13:43.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 139 00:13:43.139 --> 00:13:45.120 Well, it gives us enough time with these people. 140 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:48.419 And that's the other thing that I like about this an enormous amount. 141 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:50.279 I think that Doctor Who. 142 00:13:50.460 --> 00:13:53.340 You know, because of the way it started. 143 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:58.440 It was always an exciting adventure, we'd land on a planet or there'd be aliens or whatever. 144 00:13:58.500 --> 00:14:02.519 But in 45 minutes, you don't actually have to do that. 145 00:14:02.580 --> 00:14:05.399 You could do something quite different. 146 00:14:05.460 --> 00:14:07.860 And this comes close to it. 147 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:10.200 I think the power of 3 comes close to it. 148 00:14:10.259 --> 00:14:19.080 Maybe, um, boom town, where we just kind of get to see what they're doing when they're not really in an adventure. 149 00:14:19.139 --> 00:14:26.940 And I think a lot of people dismiss those stories because the adventure or the science fiction element of them is so undercooked. 150 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:29.100 But I don't care. 151 00:14:29.159 --> 00:14:31.080 I would like to see more of that. 152 00:14:31.139 --> 00:14:35.700 And I think, um, like Morden Undead is a little bit like that. 153 00:14:35.700 --> 00:14:39.419 And, you know, the 1st episode of Black Orchid is like that. 154 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:41.460 I think Planet of Fire is a bit like that. 155 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:49.200 You know, there's a little bit of time to breathe and just see what the characters are doing when they're not being captured and escaping and stuff. 156 00:14:49.259 --> 00:14:57.600 And I certainly think you could afford to, you know, waste um, a single episode a season letting that sort of thing happen. 157 00:14:57.779 --> 00:15:05.940 Well, yeah, no, I find that especially interesting because I haven't, um, rewatched the lodger in an incredibly long time. 158 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:12.179 I can't even remember the last time I saw it, but I do kind of remember the 1st time I saw it when it went out on the air. 159 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:18.000 Um, and at that time, I was kind of, you know, I thought it was fine. 160 00:15:18.059 --> 00:15:28.799 I was like, oh, this is okay, but that was because I was like in my early kind of teens and uh, I was all kind of, you know, when you're, when you're in your teenage years and it's like, it's all got to be sci-fi plotting. 161 00:15:28.860 --> 00:15:31.200 It's all got to be. the sci-fi stuff I am here for. 162 00:15:31.259 --> 00:15:33.480 Not that this kind of comedy romance angle. 163 00:15:33.539 --> 00:15:52.799 And then, of course, many years later, when I, um, in here in 2021, when I watched it now, I was so delighted at how little the sci-fi side of the story intrudes upon, uh, the character dynamic, uh, and the fun of the story and the jokes as well. 164 00:15:53.100 --> 00:16:04.259 If um, if you'd have told me at some point that there would be a scene with the doctor playing football in the middle of an episode, I have no interest in football whatsoever. 165 00:16:04.259 --> 00:16:06.840 I would have been like, that, that episode would not be for me. 166 00:16:06.899 --> 00:16:10.019 I think it's my favourite scene in the entire episode. 167 00:16:10.139 --> 00:16:13.139 It's so unrepresentative what Doctor Who normally is. 168 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:15.419 It absolutely should be cheering. 169 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:16.919 It's so lovely, that scene in the middle. 170 00:16:16.980 --> 00:16:20.879 Like he's just embracing that life on earth and having so much fun. 171 00:16:21.299 --> 00:16:44.220 It clearly owes something to the scene from Black Orchard part one, which I really like as well, but it's better than that, because it has a proper character point, because that's the other thing that happens here is that the doctor arrives and he's super awkward and super weird, but he is better at Craig's life than Craig is. 172 00:16:44.279 --> 00:16:47.580 And so that scene is absolutely joyous. 173 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:58.019 Murray does his version of the doctor's hero theme of the 11th doctor's hero theme, but a much more sort of fun and exciting version of it. 174 00:16:58.080 --> 00:16:59.759 And it's wonderful. 175 00:16:59.820 --> 00:17:01.740 It's so, so enjoyable. 176 00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:09.000 And I do also love that it is a nod to the fact that Matt Smith was almost a professional. 177 00:17:09.059 --> 00:17:10.019 Yeah. 178 00:17:10.019 --> 00:17:14.099 And then had to retire at 16 from football because of a backing. 179 00:17:14.220 --> 00:17:15.359 He is extremely good, isn't he? 180 00:17:15.420 --> 00:17:16.500 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 181 00:17:16.559 --> 00:17:23.579 Um, and um, in terms of Black Orchid watching this last night with Rod, he turns to me and says, well, it's better than cricket. 182 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:29.279 You're a massive fan of Black Orchid, aren't you, Brendan? 183 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:34.500 I love Black Orchids, dear listener. 184 00:17:34.559 --> 00:17:39.779 Go look for Brandy Bongo's 5 Bottom Doctor Who stories... 185 00:17:39.779 --> 00:17:40.980 Enjoy in the show notes. 186 00:17:44.039 --> 00:17:46.500 Thing is, it's my sister's favourite story. 187 00:17:46.559 --> 00:17:48.779 Because she loves a good frock drama. 188 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:50.880 Yeah, well, and it's got lots of dancing and stuff. 189 00:17:50.940 --> 00:17:52.680 It has a lot of time wasting in part one. 190 00:17:52.740 --> 00:17:58.619 I think I remember saying that it was that was my favourite episode of the season, the favourite single episode of the season. 191 00:17:58.680 --> 00:17:59.759 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 192 00:17:59.819 --> 00:18:03.240 As Todd said at the time, Tegan finds her character when she gets drunk. 193 00:18:03.299 --> 00:18:04.200 Yeah, yeah. 194 00:18:05.519 --> 00:18:08.339 With Matt Smith's footballing as well. 195 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:19.440 I think something I picked up on as well because, you know, uh, I mean, the doctor playing football was obviously an idea uh, that was originally in the comic uh, that this was based off. 196 00:18:19.500 --> 00:18:28.859 Um, and uh, but and Matt Smith happened to be a really good footballer and they just kind of drew on one of the things he loved to do when he was younger. 197 00:18:28.920 --> 00:18:36.720 And I think they do that again with Peter Capaldi as well, whether Moffat draws on the fact that Peter Capaldi was in a rock band. 198 00:18:36.779 --> 00:18:43.319 So they make him play an electric guitar on a tank just to kind of reference that part of his of his of his youth. 199 00:18:43.380 --> 00:18:49.319 Yeah, well, I just think it's that whole scene is just tremendously, tremendously fun. 200 00:18:49.380 --> 00:18:51.299 And what's really fun about it. 201 00:18:51.359 --> 00:19:09.660 There's a moment where he's lying on the ground after having scored a goal and all the other guys like Sean and that run up and kind of rub his belly or whatever. kind of there's a sort of just a hilarious moment of male bonding, which is absolutely not very doctor-ish. 202 00:19:09.779 --> 00:19:13.079 No one rubbed John Pertuy's belly for the entire 5 years. 203 00:19:13.079 --> 00:19:14.400 He is the doctor. 204 00:19:14.460 --> 00:19:18.420 Well, as I understand the sport, that's that's actually offside. 205 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:19.559 Oh, okay. 206 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:22.920 I love that he's still wearing his jacket on the field. 207 00:19:23.279 --> 00:19:29.700 Yes, yes, he turns he turns up in in the football, in the football jersey and shorts, but with the jacket. 208 00:19:30.180 --> 00:19:39.059 You remember I said that James Gordon, as Craig, was very relatable and I found him the most relatable in that scene. 209 00:19:39.119 --> 00:19:48.779 I was quite a podgy child, and I was squeezed into very um, small football, uh, uniforms at, and God bless him. 210 00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:51.960 He looks so cute, but that uniform was so small on him. 211 00:19:52.019 --> 00:19:54.900 Like, it's his little belly was... 212 00:19:55.079 --> 00:19:58.799 I, I, I just felt like that was me, aged about 8 years old. 213 00:19:58.859 --> 00:20:09.839 There's that scene at the end where he's just standing there completely forlorn because he hasn't had a very good game and his little bellies there. was definitely me. 214 00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:12.960 And his shorts look like a skirt. 215 00:20:13.019 --> 00:20:14.039 Yeah, they? 216 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:15.839 Yeah, it looks like a netball skirt. 217 00:20:15.900 --> 00:20:18.119 Yeah, because of the scribes. 218 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:23.400 Yeah, so and that's just kind of the beginning of where, you know, there's a bit of an arc. 219 00:20:23.460 --> 00:20:26.519 And we haven't really talked about the doctor all that much yet. 220 00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:32.940 And there's a little bit there where the doctor starts to kind of take over Craig's life. 221 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:36.359 And I guess it starts with the football. 222 00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:38.519 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 223 00:20:38.579 --> 00:20:43.319 And then is he having he horns in on their date? 224 00:20:43.380 --> 00:20:50.640 Yep, where Craig is going to say that he loves Sophie, but he actually wrecks it. 225 00:20:50.700 --> 00:20:53.339 Yeah, he pops up behind from behind the sofa. 226 00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:54.299 From behind the sofa. 227 00:20:54.480 --> 00:20:56.700 Where the monsters can't get you. 228 00:20:56.819 --> 00:20:59.279 Is he unaware of what he's doing? 229 00:20:59.339 --> 00:21:05.099 Or is this just supposed to be kind of highlighting that this is an alien and he doesn't quite understand human interaction? 230 00:21:05.460 --> 00:21:14.160 Surely, because when they, uh, they, they ask him if he wants to stay and they're clearly queueing at him, do not stay. 231 00:21:14.220 --> 00:21:19.980 He says he says the fatal thing of saying, I don't mind. 232 00:21:19.980 --> 00:21:22.920 And social niceties kick in. 233 00:21:22.920 --> 00:21:25.619 So they go, well, okay, of course you can stay. 234 00:21:26.220 --> 00:21:30.960 And I think it's genuinely adorable because he just doesn't pick up on it. 235 00:21:31.619 --> 00:21:40.859 Except, you know, everything that's led up to this scene makes us think that the doctor doesn't understand what's going on among human beings. 236 00:21:40.920 --> 00:21:43.740 You know, he doesn't know how we greet one another these days. 237 00:21:43.799 --> 00:21:50.339 He thinks that Sean is threatening to literally annihilate the team next week. 238 00:21:50.519 --> 00:21:56.400 Stephen Moffatt will steal for the day of the doctor and basically just a rabbit. 239 00:21:58.500 --> 00:22:04.859 And and then he doesn't get that cue about them leaving. 240 00:22:04.920 --> 00:22:21.000 But it's in that conversation where he speaks to Sophie and you think that he's saying something really terrible that he shouldn't say, where he says, maybe you'll spend the rest of your life in a call centre being just sort of slightly miserable or maybe a call centres the best place for you. 241 00:22:21.059 --> 00:22:24.720 And she gets angry at him and then he smiles. 242 00:22:24.779 --> 00:22:34.920 And what he's done is intervene to try and get her to, to do, what he does is the doctor-ish thing of inspiring someone to be better. 243 00:22:34.980 --> 00:22:37.980 You know, that's the doctor. hes the doctor because he makes you better. 244 00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:45.240 And we think that he doesn't understand that Craig is going to react badly to that. 245 00:22:45.299 --> 00:22:52.980 But it's very clear too that he knows that they both love each other and they're not doing anything about it. 246 00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:59.039 And it's that brilliant line where he says 6000000000 people watching you 2 at work. 247 00:22:59.099 --> 00:23:01.200 I'm starting to wonder where they all come from. 248 00:23:01.319 --> 00:23:11.339 And so it's very clear that he knows that they should be a couple, but they're kind of hopeless together to add to that figure. 249 00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:15.839 So it's curious because so much time is spent making the doctor look weird. 250 00:23:15.900 --> 00:23:23.519 But in fact, he's very much more insightful than both Craig and Sophie about their relationship. 251 00:23:23.640 --> 00:23:37.740 And this is why I really, really love the doctor's characterisation in this particular story because obviously so much of the comedy comes from the doctor. from it's seeming like the doctor doesn't quite get it. 252 00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:49.140 But, um, uh, it's one of the things I really, I think when it works in the Moffat era, it works very well, which is they put a lot of emphasis on how smart the doctor is. 253 00:23:49.140 --> 00:23:58.740 And in there are some stories, and this is a really great example of it, where the doctor's intelligence is really focussed on people, and he gets to be smart about people. 254 00:23:58.920 --> 00:24:05.400 Um, so he, um, you know, he doesn't understand all the social cues. 255 00:24:05.460 --> 00:24:16.140 He doesn't understand how a football game works, even though he's inexplicably very talented at it, but he does notice that Craig is fondling the keys. 256 00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:28.319 And he has, he notices and he notices, you know, when, uh, you know, he's gone up and down the stairs in a towel, which I'm sure we'll talk a bit more about later. 257 00:24:28.380 --> 00:24:34.740 But, um, he, he says to Sophie, you know, you've got 2 set, he sets of keys to this house. 258 00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:36.059 You must like it here too. 259 00:24:36.119 --> 00:24:40.140 And he also later then says, like, you know, it's a big world. 260 00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:42.539 So if you work out what's really keeping you here. 261 00:24:42.599 --> 00:24:43.440 Yeah. 262 00:24:43.440 --> 00:25:00.000 And it's one of the delightful things in this story where you get the doctor in the kind of, he's still kind of in his usual headspace of being in puzzle solving mode, but it's in a sitcom way, his puzzle solving is directed on the people in the room. 263 00:25:00.059 --> 00:25:13.740 And instead of it being like some kind of murder mystery or something like that, it's just their social awkwardness, which is why when, you know, he's like making the omelet and Craig's has that wonderful line. like, I don't know why I'm telling you all this. 264 00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:15.420 It's like, oh, I've just got one of those faces. 265 00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:17.160 People just start blurting up their plans to me. 266 00:25:29.579 --> 00:25:42.839 Something I was struck by this time about the sort of cosiness of the flat because the 1st time I'd seen this, I'd never seen spaced with Simon Pegg and Jessica Hines. 267 00:25:42.900 --> 00:25:44.160 Oh, yeah. 268 00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:46.140 And watching it now. 269 00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:48.900 Down to the colour scheme. 270 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:51.960 It's very much like Tim and Daisy's flat. 271 00:25:52.019 --> 00:26:08.700 And now the thing is, with sort of space, Tim and Daisy are pretending to be a couple and there is a sort of will they won't they thing, but the whole point about it is, no, they're not going to because they've actually got something better. than the romances they've had before. 272 00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:18.539 And here, Craig and Daisy are afraid of pursuing something better in case it destroys what's there. 273 00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:19.140 Yeah. 274 00:26:19.140 --> 00:26:30.779 Which, you know, is incredibly sweet and incredibly relatable, but it's one of those things where if you see your friends going through that, you sort of go, just say it, just say something. 275 00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:32.700 But when you go, you're going through it yourself. 276 00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:34.259 You think, no, I can't possibly. 277 00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:36.839 I can't possibly say, I can't, I can't, I can't. 278 00:26:37.500 --> 00:26:40.319 It's um, oh, what's the word? 279 00:26:40.380 --> 00:26:41.640 It's dramatic irony. 280 00:26:41.700 --> 00:26:53.759 It's the dramatic irony of the situation in that the audience knows because this is a television show for a family audience that usually has happy endings that things will be fine. 281 00:26:53.819 --> 00:26:54.599 Yeah. 282 00:26:54.660 --> 00:27:00.960 But at the same time, they know if they were in that situation, they wouldn't be thinking that things would be fine. 283 00:27:01.019 --> 00:27:05.220 And, you know, you don't you don't get the meat cute in real life kind of thing. 284 00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:22.799 Yeah, I remember, I think it's a quote from John Cleese, and he was talking about, I think comedy, comedy in general, but farce in particular, where he said, all of this looks really funny to us, but for the people inside of farce. 285 00:27:22.859 --> 00:27:24.900 It's the worst day of their lives. 286 00:27:26.339 --> 00:27:33.839 And similarly on a slightly less extreme sort of measure. in a kind of more rom-comy kind of way. 287 00:27:33.900 --> 00:27:39.000 It's not it's not quite the worst day of their lives, but it's the, it's one of the more awkward days of their lives. 288 00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:39.900 Yeah. 289 00:27:39.900 --> 00:27:40.500 Yeah. 290 00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:41.220 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 291 00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:58.619 Well, you know, I think that scene in the call centre, after, you know, Craig's gone and touched the rot and the thing, I absolutely love the scene with the doctor bringing in the breakfast and reviving Craig and feeding him tea and he's like, you're important. 292 00:27:58.680 --> 00:27:59.460 So adorable. 293 00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:00.240 Yeah. 294 00:28:00.299 --> 00:28:02.279 The Charles and Diana wedding teapot. 295 00:28:02.339 --> 00:28:03.660 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 296 00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:07.619 Which, according to the script, was already in there when Craig moved in. 297 00:28:07.740 --> 00:28:10.980 So it's not that Craig collects commemorative teapots. 298 00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:11.940 It's that it got left behind. 299 00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:15.299 I want to believe that he collects commemorative teapots. 300 00:28:16.259 --> 00:28:26.880 But, you know, I think I think that then for Craig becomes that John Cleese's worst day of his life because the doctor has gone in. 301 00:28:26.940 --> 00:28:35.700 He's found his sort of manifest over how to run the company better and presented it and now he's getting rid of all Craig's clients because he doesn't need them anymore. 302 00:28:35.819 --> 00:28:43.319 I'm going to go back to that word relatable again because, uh, I've worked in a cool sensor. 303 00:28:43.380 --> 00:28:49.319 I have been that person and so the bit where the doctor basically says, go away and hangs out the phone. 304 00:28:49.380 --> 00:28:51.119 I was cheering in that moment. 305 00:28:51.180 --> 00:28:52.559 I have been that person. 306 00:28:53.220 --> 00:28:54.779 Oh yeah. 307 00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:56.220 Rude Mr. Lang. 308 00:28:58.380 --> 00:29:00.839 Please hold, I need to eat a biscuit. 309 00:29:00.900 --> 00:29:02.759 Oh, I love that so much. 310 00:29:04.380 --> 00:29:14.880 Also, can I just, can I just quickly say, I absolutely adore the fact that Craig's boss has been like, oh, yes, it is, is the doctor? 311 00:29:14.940 --> 00:29:15.779 isn't he marvellous? 312 00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:25.980 He went to the planning meeting and there's no explanation provided as to how the doctor just sorted on in and went into, what did he call it, like a platinum level meeting or something? 313 00:29:25.980 --> 00:29:31.319 It's not addressed how he did it, but you don't need to know. 314 00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:36.779 Um, and it's just so funny, especially when you see him sitting at his desk. 315 00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:44.759 I love when he's like blowing a raspberry down the telephone and the CEO is just doing like that little, it's just doing that thumbs up at him. 316 00:29:45.660 --> 00:29:49.140 Him smiling in the background is just marvellous. 317 00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:49.920 It's so great. 318 00:29:49.980 --> 00:29:54.000 Even when he does that, you have to go on hold now, I'm eating a biscuit. 319 00:29:54.059 --> 00:29:57.480 The boss is still absolutely delighted with his performance. 320 00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:03.299 Yes, if only we could all have that when we... 321 00:30:03.299 --> 00:30:14.519 The funniest bit for me was like the mad, violent farce of the doctor headbutting Craig in order to do like the contact moment and deliver all that information to him. 322 00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:17.039 And it wasn't even funny because of this episode. 323 00:30:17.099 --> 00:30:20.880 I had flashbacks of like the 5 doctors and stories like that. 324 00:30:20.940 --> 00:30:23.339 And I was thinking imagine if that was how they did it. 325 00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:26.819 And you had all of the doctors smacking each other in their head. 326 00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:37.440 Oh, that's that was a moment for me where I was like, oh, they must be so happy with that joke because they're literally making contact by headbutting. 327 00:30:37.500 --> 00:30:39.180 Yeah, it's so funny. 328 00:30:40.380 --> 00:30:52.140 I do remember Gallifrey bass back in the day with that moment to add, and a big thread about, won't someone think of the children who are now going to headbutt each other based on this episode? 329 00:30:53.039 --> 00:31:02.819 Looking back on it, the doctor and Craig make it very clear that this is an incredibly painful experience and my God, no one would ever want to do this. 330 00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:09.000 So I think they did think about that in terms of responsibility and went, this is a very bad idea. 331 00:31:09.059 --> 00:31:10.440 Don't do this at home, kids. 332 00:31:10.500 --> 00:31:11.640 Yeah. 333 00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:16.440 It plays out in that sort of mad, violent way, like an episode at bottom does, you know? 334 00:31:16.500 --> 00:31:18.779 And it is, it is really, really funny. 335 00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:19.319 Yeah, yes. 336 00:31:19.380 --> 00:31:26.039 So I think there are a lot of things like that contact has been made thing that Gareth references. 337 00:31:26.460 --> 00:31:30.599 You remember the time flow analogue in the time monster? 338 00:31:30.660 --> 00:31:34.680 Yeah, and when he creates that. 339 00:31:34.740 --> 00:31:39.660 When Pertwee creates that, Ruth says that it's a sort of terrible bit of modern art. 340 00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:48.660 And then we get the same thing here where the doctor creates that sensor thing out of, you know, traffic cones and an umbrella and a digital clock or whatever. 341 00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:50.640 And, you know, the next scene he's in the bar. 342 00:31:50.700 --> 00:31:55.559 I thought that was ridiculous enough in the Time Monster, you know, with a little cup of tea, you get on the top spinning around. 343 00:31:55.619 --> 00:31:58.200 Yeah, but this was something else. 344 00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:10.980 But I mean, the thing is that that was famously ridiculous in the time monster, and there's no way that Gareth Roberts didn't love that bit of the time monster, which is why he deliberately references it. 345 00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:24.240 And I think the doctor singing, um, La Donne Mobile, but like as Tara, Boomdie, or whatever in the shower, has got to be a reference to him sort of driving into the Inferno project or whatever. 346 00:32:24.299 --> 00:32:29.039 And you know, who's the only other doctor we've seen in the shower, John Pertley. 347 00:32:29.099 --> 00:32:29.700 That's right. 348 00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:30.240 That's right. 349 00:32:30.299 --> 00:32:46.319 So the whole thing is sort of chock full of things that we love from earlier episodes of Doctor Who, in classic series, stuff particularly, just done really confidently and really well, and in the service of a story that's sort of genuinely funny, I think. 350 00:32:46.380 --> 00:32:53.400 Yeah, and you mentioned the uh, with the time monster that it's another character who points out that it looks like a terrible piece of botanard. 351 00:32:53.460 --> 00:32:57.960 Here that's even funnier because you have the doctor defending it as a terrible piece of modern art. 352 00:32:58.019 --> 00:32:59.460 That's right. 353 00:32:59.519 --> 00:32:59.940 That's right. 354 00:33:00.059 --> 00:33:01.680 Ooh, it isn't. 355 00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:02.460 It's pretty awful. 356 00:33:07.619 --> 00:33:12.180 In terms of the bathroom scene, I remember again, the internet. 357 00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:13.380 Oh, a little bit of a flutter. 358 00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:16.980 With Matt Smith, with Matt Smith's chest running out. 359 00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:18.660 I had a little bit of a flutter. 360 00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:21.359 He's briefly naked, isn't he? 361 00:33:21.420 --> 00:33:25.740 Because he drops the towel by mistake and has to scramble to pick it up. 362 00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:30.539 And then when he's speaking to Craig later, He covers his nipples with his hand. 363 00:33:30.539 --> 00:33:32.940 Like, that's a thing that we do. 364 00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:33.599 Yeah. 365 00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:55.559 It's very cute, but he's, he's skinny, but, you know, the curious thing is, he's there, he's there in the towel, and, and, um, Daisy comes in, and, like, he's, he's in a towel, half naked, and he goes up to her and does, like, the little air kisses, like, completely, he doesn't care that he's... 366 00:33:55.619 --> 00:33:56.519 He's so good. 367 00:33:56.579 --> 00:34:00.420 I've got to say about Matt Smith in this episode because I'm not always kind about Matt Smith. 368 00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:04.079 This is a fantastic showcase for his doctor. 369 00:34:04.140 --> 00:34:14.460 I think I think this shows him at his absolute best, where he's dealing with people, where he's being funny and cute, where he's not juggling, like, you know, a 100 plot lines at once. 370 00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:17.880 It's all about Matt and Matt is gorgeous in this. 371 00:34:18.059 --> 00:34:21.420 I don't think another doctor could have done this. 372 00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:22.260 No. 373 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:30.719 Well, I'm funny you should say that because, you know, they kind of do the do this version of the story again in the caretaker and it's much less appealing. 374 00:34:30.780 --> 00:34:32.639 Oh yeah, no, that's much nastier. 375 00:34:32.699 --> 00:34:33.119 Yeah. 376 00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:46.860 And even with the original comic strip version of this, with David Tennant's doctor, it has it has a quite different ending because it doesn't have as big an alien threat because, you know, it's a one shot comic. 377 00:34:46.980 --> 00:35:00.539 And what's really remarkable about the ending is, you know, again, during it, you've got the doctor's better at football than Mickey and then he beats the pub trivia quiz machine repeatedly. 378 00:35:00.539 --> 00:35:08.639 And then he reveals that all of his tinkering in Mickey's flat has been to disguise the earth from an alien invasion. 379 00:35:08.699 --> 00:35:11.099 So they just go by and he doesn't have to fight anyone. 380 00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:13.079 And he spoils a date. 381 00:35:13.139 --> 00:35:15.480 Mickey's trying to have with a girl called Gina. 382 00:35:15.539 --> 00:35:19.920 He's playing a video game with Mickey and he doesn't play properly by the rules and he wins anyway. 383 00:35:19.980 --> 00:35:24.900 And Mickey kind of says to him, maybe people don't want you impressing them all the time. 384 00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:28.619 Maybe they just want to live their lives even if they're not quite doing it right. 385 00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:36.119 And the lesson the doctor learns there is when the TARDIS does finally land and Rose isn't aware anything's been wrong. 386 00:35:36.179 --> 00:35:37.500 It's only been a few seconds for her. 387 00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:39.480 The doctor says, actually, I've got some repairs to do. 388 00:35:39.539 --> 00:35:42.960 Why don't you go up and see Mickey by yourself and the last panel is Mickey realising. 389 00:35:43.019 --> 00:35:46.679 Oh my god, he did actually listen to me and he understands. 390 00:35:46.739 --> 00:35:47.159 Right. 391 00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:58.320 And it's very sweet and I don't think you could have done it here just because, yes, Matt Smith's doctor isn't that kind of grandstanding look. you know, thwarted an alien invasion from your kitchen. 392 00:35:58.380 --> 00:36:04.679 He's actually that more gentle figure who's goading Sophie, but he's goading Sophie and saying, you can do this. 393 00:36:04.739 --> 00:36:11.699 Whereas I think tenants doctor, he kind of does the same thing with with Gina in the comic, but actually on television. 394 00:36:11.820 --> 00:36:16.139 If he if he said to her, yeah, you're probably only good for a call centre, he would have meant it. 395 00:36:17.219 --> 00:36:21.900 Matt Smith plays this whole episode with like an air of innocence, doesn't he? 396 00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:24.480 And like the sweetest smile on his face all the time. 397 00:36:24.539 --> 00:36:30.780 If David Tennant had been in this, I think it would have been a bit nastier, a bit more uncomfortable to watch. 398 00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:34.079 He had, he had like sort of more of an acidic edge to him, didn't he? 399 00:36:34.139 --> 00:36:35.400 Whereas with Matt Smith. 400 00:36:35.460 --> 00:36:39.360 I don't know, I just don't get any sense of callousness, even if he knows what he's doing. 401 00:36:39.420 --> 00:36:40.559 It's all in how he plays it. 402 00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:45.780 I think sometimes there's an unpleasant edge to Matt Smith's doctor. 403 00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:46.739 Oh for sure. 404 00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:54.119 But there is something very sweet about the way he seems to be enjoying himself and underplaying it. 405 00:36:54.179 --> 00:37:03.599 And there's something disarming about his lack of competence and his lack of knowledge about human relationships, which David Tennant's doctor doesn't have. 406 00:37:03.659 --> 00:37:08.699 You know, David Tennant is very confident. and full of ego. 407 00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:12.480 And so he just wouldn't have been a good fit for this. 408 00:37:12.539 --> 00:37:17.099 And Capaldi, who does share Smith's awkwardness, has that nasty edge. 409 00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:19.079 So he wouldn't have fitted here at all. 410 00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:24.119 The only person, I think, who could remotely do it. would be Jody, I think. 411 00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:26.699 I mean, could you imagine? 412 00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:29.039 Could you imagine Capaldius, the 3rd wheel here? 413 00:37:29.099 --> 00:37:30.900 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 414 00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:31.260 No. 415 00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:32.760 Have you kissed yet? 416 00:37:32.940 --> 00:37:35.400 Human humans do the kissing thing. 417 00:37:35.460 --> 00:37:36.000 I don't. 418 00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:43.559 David Tenner would have just gnashed his teeth and gone, get on with it. 419 00:37:44.820 --> 00:37:47.099 I kissed a girl well. 420 00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:48.179 Well, I say a girl. 421 00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:51.659 More of a trampoline in my in my in my friend's body. 422 00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:53.099 Well, she wasn't always a trampoline. 423 00:37:53.159 --> 00:37:54.420 Sorry, where was I? 424 00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:04.860 But I made a point of reading the original comic as well before coming on. 425 00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:21.719 And although a lot of the jokes in the comic, uh, do transfer over uh, into the into the episode, um, the type of joke that it is just changes quite rapidly because it is because Tenet is very cool, very confident and much more aware. 426 00:38:21.780 --> 00:38:33.059 So it does feel, it's still quite earnest and sweet, but it is, you know, the doctor impressing people and kind of upstaging Mickey, which we've seen several dozen times. 427 00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:41.460 Um, and there is a slight undercurrent and unintended mean spiritness in the comic, whereas here the doctor just has no idea. 428 00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:47.280 Um, and the joke is that the doctor doesn't even know how good he is at most of these things. 429 00:38:47.340 --> 00:38:55.980 Um, so there's not even a remote sense of malice to any of it or even a sense, a desire to impress. 430 00:38:56.039 --> 00:39:02.639 He just genuinely wants to be like, um, you know, a good friend, a good, a good lodger, a good housemate and be helpful and friendly. 431 00:39:02.699 --> 00:39:03.840 Yeah, yeah. 432 00:39:03.900 --> 00:39:09.179 I think he's also a little bit trying to prove to Amy that he can be a normal bloke for 3 days. 433 00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:09.960 Yeah. 434 00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:10.619 Yeah. 435 00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:23.219 We haven't talked much about Amy, but yes, the whole point of this episode was if they had to follow the traditional structure of a Dr. Light and companion light episode, they could do that. 436 00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:27.179 But for some reason in this schedule, they didn't need a Dr. Light episode this year. 437 00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:29.340 So they came to the conclusion. 438 00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:31.920 Actually, we can have a bit more Amy in the early drafts. 439 00:39:31.980 --> 00:39:34.380 She had one scene at the beginning and one scene at the end. 440 00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:41.699 But the reason we keep coming back to her is they're like, okay, well, we've already structured it, but she's not going to be here, but let's give Karen more to do. 441 00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:42.300 Right. 442 00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:45.659 Including, including sort of piloting the TARDS. 443 00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:46.920 Yeah. 444 00:39:46.980 --> 00:39:53.760 And wasn't this episode originally a backup script, um, in production? 445 00:39:54.179 --> 00:39:56.039 Yes, that's right. 446 00:39:56.099 --> 00:40:00.059 So Stephen Moffat said to the writer, oh, look, why don't you adapt the lodger? 447 00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:04.380 And then like 6 months later, when it came time to do that, Moffatt had completely forgotten he said that. 448 00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:11.579 So there was another plot developed, which, you know, has never really come to light what the details were. 449 00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:14.699 And then it was decided, oh, no, we've got to. 450 00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:16.199 Yeah, that that's not quite working. 451 00:40:16.260 --> 00:40:17.579 Let's start developing the lodger. 452 00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:23.519 And then the lodger actually replaced a script called Bigger on the inside by Neil Gaiman. 453 00:40:23.579 --> 00:40:30.539 Oh, because it was decided they didn't have the budget to make that at that stage in the production and that became the doctor's wife. 454 00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:31.619 Yeah. 455 00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:48.900 And I, um, think it's incredibly telling that, you know, because, you know, you've got Stephen Moffatt in his 1st year as the showrunner and, um, you know, he's at this point, he's kind of the scary writer in Doctor Who, but his background is in sitcom comedy writing. 456 00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:55.320 And I do think it's quite telling that when, you know, a script falls through and he needs to reach for something else. 457 00:40:55.380 --> 00:40:58.559 He does reach for a sitcom comedy script, essentially. 458 00:40:58.619 --> 00:41:00.360 And that's the one he fills it with. 459 00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:03.059 And you've already got Richard Curtis in this series as well. 460 00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:07.199 So there's a very much Moffat leaning on his comedy chops when he has to. 461 00:41:19.739 --> 00:41:24.960 So, we haven't actually talked about the actual science fiction element. in this story. 462 00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:27.179 There's a reason for that. 463 00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:30.960 It's not very good. 464 00:41:31.019 --> 00:41:33.360 It's incredibly thin, isn't it? 465 00:41:33.420 --> 00:41:35.099 Like unbelievably thin. 466 00:41:36.179 --> 00:41:40.500 Much like one of the ears of the doctor's character reference. 467 00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:41.639 It's purely ornamental. 468 00:41:41.699 --> 00:41:42.900 I don't know. 469 00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:44.460 I quite like the execution. 470 00:41:44.699 --> 00:41:53.579 The execution of some of the scenes of the passer-bys coming past and sort of the shadowy figure at the top of the stairs. 471 00:41:53.639 --> 00:42:00.119 I was getting like echos of psycho of like this scary kind of shadowy figure at the top of the stairs. 472 00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:01.619 I did like the execution. 473 00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:08.519 It just, I don't know, it kind of rubbed up with what was happening elsewhere in the episode a bit awkwardly. 474 00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:11.460 Because it's so dark, you think? 475 00:42:11.820 --> 00:42:22.139 Uh, no, not because it was dark, just because, like, tonally it was very different and sort of we weren't getting any more information about that plot as the episode progressed. 476 00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:23.880 So really, it's not until the end. 477 00:42:23.940 --> 00:42:26.519 And even at the end, we don't really find out what it's all about. 478 00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:33.360 Like it's a it's a spaceship on top of the house, but it's answered, it's answered later, isn't it? 479 00:42:33.420 --> 00:42:34.619 In C series 6. 480 00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:43.199 Yeah, so we will get it picked up again in the series opener and we will be numb the wiser, in fact, after that. 481 00:42:43.980 --> 00:42:47.340 Yeah, the doctor just says very Aikman Road, doesn't he? 482 00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:49.019 And that's all that's really said about it. 483 00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:51.420 Yeah, yeah, they use the same design. 484 00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:53.519 I actually don't care. 485 00:42:53.579 --> 00:43:03.239 Um, and I think that anything that was more complex or interesting would take Vanderbilt's screen time away from Craig and Sophie. 486 00:43:03.300 --> 00:43:05.940 So I do want it to be as thin as possible. 487 00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:09.119 And so there are only 3 people who get lured upstairs. 488 00:43:09.179 --> 00:43:10.860 Things play out the same way. 489 00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:14.099 We discover there have been 17 people in total later. 490 00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:27.840 But we only see 3 of them, including that sort of tragic walk of shame woman who is coming home from the nightclub after having a fight with her boyfriend or something, which is super relatable. 491 00:43:27.900 --> 00:43:28.860 Well, yeah, that's right. 492 00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:35.460 But it's also, it's actually quite upsetting because she's the 1st person whom we see screaming and distressed and we get just get a little shot of that. 493 00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:39.900 And then there's the mousey woman who comes along later and we see that from her as well. 494 00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:44.280 Yeah, there was, there was intended to be one other person seen. 495 00:43:44.340 --> 00:43:48.780 Um, uh, and that was a young man with a holiday brochure. 496 00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:53.940 And that would have helped the doctor make the leap of logic as to what the thing wanted. 497 00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:55.079 Yeah, yeah. 498 00:43:55.139 --> 00:43:58.920 But instead, you know, he sort of has, he has to do it himself in a way. 499 00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:08.940 Yeah, and in fact, the what the science fiction thing has to do is it has to be at the service of the rom-com plot. 500 00:44:08.940 --> 00:44:18.480 And so it is a spaceship with a Voyager style emergency crash hologram. 501 00:44:18.539 --> 00:44:19.079 Yeah. 502 00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:20.519 And the, yeah. 503 00:44:20.579 --> 00:44:25.800 And Matt Smith even says, I'm Troy Hanson of International Rescue, please state the nature of your emergency. 504 00:44:25.860 --> 00:44:26.340 Yeah, yeah. 505 00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:30.599 He's openly admitting to stealing it from Voyager. 506 00:44:30.659 --> 00:44:31.500 Yeah, yeah. 507 00:44:31.500 --> 00:44:35.519 And and it just wants someone who wants to go. 508 00:44:35.579 --> 00:44:36.539 Yes. 509 00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:36.840 Yeah. 510 00:44:36.900 --> 00:44:37.260 Yeah. 511 00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:51.239 Which I actually think is is actually a really smart little bit of character plotting that it draws people in who want to leave because it ties in with the kind of character work that's been the actual subject of the episode. 512 00:44:51.300 --> 00:45:11.400 I think it's quite neat that you don't get this random conclusion that happened, this complicated sci-fi thing that has nothing to do with the kind of the rest of the episode, but um, the threat is based around drawing in people who want to leave and reminding the 2 characters why they want to stay and it's because they love each other. 513 00:45:11.460 --> 00:45:16.679 So I think the sci-fi elements tie in quite nicely with what the rest of the episode's been about. 514 00:45:17.280 --> 00:45:21.599 Well, I mean, the whole thing is resolved by Craig and Sophie Kissing. 515 00:45:21.659 --> 00:45:24.599 I mean, it's just brilliant, you know, like it couldn't possibly be better. 516 00:45:24.659 --> 00:45:27.239 What more satisfying conclusion can we have? 517 00:45:27.300 --> 00:45:28.800 Kiss the girl. 518 00:45:28.860 --> 00:45:30.360 It's so great. 519 00:45:30.420 --> 00:45:33.300 I mean, no one's flicking the switches or rewiring. 520 00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:40.679 It is a lovely moment, and it's a lovely moment here, and it's one of those love conquers all, and this is like the 1st time it's happened. 521 00:45:40.739 --> 00:45:41.880 So it is very cute. 522 00:45:42.300 --> 00:45:47.400 This would happen quite a lot in the future where it starts to get a little try. 523 00:45:47.460 --> 00:45:49.679 But as like the payoff for this episode. 524 00:45:49.739 --> 00:45:52.559 I think as a one time sort of love conquers all ending. 525 00:45:52.619 --> 00:45:54.059 It's marvellous. 526 00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:55.559 Mm. 527 00:45:55.559 --> 00:45:56.219 Mm. 528 00:45:56.280 --> 00:46:01.320 Yeah, no, but I mean, they kind of sell it because it's not quite love conquers all, is it? 529 00:46:01.380 --> 00:46:04.260 It's kind of like inertia conquers all. 530 00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:06.840 You know, like, I'm going to stay here. 531 00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:12.360 I'm not going to go and look after orangutans. 532 00:46:12.420 --> 00:46:15.539 So it has no power over me. 533 00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:20.219 And I actually think that that's kind of neat. 534 00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:26.820 It does lead to the, to the, that final scene, which has lots of like gooey squilchy kissing, the worst kind of kissing. 535 00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:29.460 It's nasty to listen to. 536 00:46:31.619 --> 00:46:34.139 But I'm glad they got there. 537 00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:35.760 I'm glad they admitted how they feel. 538 00:46:35.820 --> 00:46:36.300 Yeah. 539 00:46:36.300 --> 00:46:38.940 I had to turn the volume down during the kissing. 540 00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:39.840 It made me uncomfortable. 541 00:46:39.900 --> 00:46:41.039 It was revolting. 542 00:46:42.179 --> 00:46:52.619 And the thing is, if you watch the Doctor Who Confidential for one of the Silurian episodes, I think it's cold blood, it's all about the Foley artist and how she achieves the sounds. 543 00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:59.099 So she, those sounds that, I highly doubt that's James Corden and... 544 00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:07.320 That's this poor woman, like, I don't know, sticking a handful, sticking a hand into a glove full of dishwashing liquid. 545 00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:10.440 Give that woman a raise. 546 00:47:10.500 --> 00:47:11.400 Oh my god. 547 00:47:11.460 --> 00:47:15.179 I'm going to be thinking about that anytime I see an offscreen stage kiss now. 548 00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:17.159 You're welcome. 549 00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:27.539 We should talk about Megloss. 550 00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:27.960 Yes. 551 00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:29.340 I think we should. 552 00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:31.500 Why should we talk about Megloss, Brendan? 553 00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:38.159 So this script was initially commissioned under the title Megloss 2. 554 00:47:41.099 --> 00:47:56.519 And then colloquially referred to in the office as Mrs. Megloss because the Avatar was going to be a little old lady who lived above Craig, and that's how she was eliciting sympathy, because she's a little old lady who needs help. 555 00:47:56.940 --> 00:48:04.440 And the writer did publish an extract of the scripted issue of Doctor Who magazine because he said, I want to make this clear. 556 00:48:04.500 --> 00:48:05.280 People think I was joking. 557 00:48:05.340 --> 00:48:05.940 No here it is. 558 00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:06.780 Yeah. 559 00:48:06.780 --> 00:48:11.039 So was Megalos supposed to be the villain in the spaceship? 560 00:48:11.099 --> 00:48:21.659 Yeah, yeah, because the idea was, okay, we've got time distortion and Meglos had chronic hysteresis sees, and we've got something which can adopt form. 561 00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:26.940 So it was changed into a hologram, but it's like Megloss can adopt people's forms and it's looking for a new host. 562 00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:37.860 But it then figures out, Megloss then figures out the doctor's there and decides, oh, you know, I can get revenge on the doctor and the extract published in Doctor Who magazine. 563 00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:39.119 Does anyone else know about this? 564 00:48:39.179 --> 00:48:40.739 Oh, I've read it. 565 00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:41.340 It's so good. 566 00:48:41.699 --> 00:48:48.179 Yeah, it's, it's like, um, it is I, Dr. Meglos, the last Zolfathoran. 567 00:48:48.300 --> 00:48:49.559 And the doctor says, I'm sorry, who? 568 00:48:49.860 --> 00:48:53.940 The doctor just doesn't remember who Megloss is at all. 569 00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:55.739 And no one watched Megloss. 570 00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:56.579 And no one watch me. 571 00:48:56.639 --> 00:48:57.780 That's probably why. 572 00:48:57.840 --> 00:48:59.760 I've covered Meglosson say something nice. 573 00:48:59.820 --> 00:49:01.139 So obviously no one watched it. 574 00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:02.699 Wouldn't you? 575 00:49:02.699 --> 00:49:07.920 Wouldn't you just kill to see how they would have realised Megloss in 2000 whenever this was. 576 00:49:07.980 --> 00:49:09.960 Like a CGI Megloss. 577 00:49:10.019 --> 00:49:11.039 I'm there for that. 578 00:49:11.099 --> 00:49:12.480 Yeah, yeah. 579 00:49:12.539 --> 00:49:17.639 Part of the reason they didn't do it was the end of time had the Vinvocce. 580 00:49:17.699 --> 00:49:18.900 Ah. 581 00:49:19.380 --> 00:49:19.980 Oh, really? 582 00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:22.800 Yeah, that was part of the reason that scuppered it. 583 00:49:22.860 --> 00:49:32.460 And you know, they were already like, we're bringing back this one-time villain from a not particularly well-regarded 1980 Doctor Who story, and that just was the final nail in the coffin. 584 00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:37.559 Well, I mean, they brought back Alpha Centuri in that Mark Gator story. 585 00:49:37.619 --> 00:49:39.239 So that's why they're above doing that. 586 00:49:40.500 --> 00:50:01.500 I frankly find it utterly hysterical that between in the transition between the specials and series 5, that Russell T. Davis wasn't able to bring back the Daleks in the end of time, because they were appearing in series 5, and Stephen Muffet wasn't able to bring back Megloss because of the Vinvacci in the specials. 587 00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:05.880 Wow, who do you think was inconvenienced worse? 588 00:50:07.380 --> 00:50:10.139 Oh, Stephen Moffatt, for sure. 589 00:50:10.860 --> 00:50:27.900 I have to say that I'm glad that Meg Loss isn't in it because I think that it needs to be absolutely as thin as possible and not distract us from the main game of this episode, which is Craig and Sophie. 590 00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:32.820 And so it's super rudimentary and I'm absolutely there for that. 591 00:50:33.420 --> 00:50:40.019 In a way, in a way, using Meglos would have been like how briefly Olivia Coleman appears. 592 00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:40.619 Yeah. 593 00:50:40.619 --> 00:50:41.340 You know? 594 00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:44.219 And actually, God damn it. 595 00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:45.539 Chipnell, are you listening? 596 00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:46.679 I know you are. 597 00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:48.780 Series 13. 598 00:50:49.139 --> 00:50:51.840 Olivia Coleman is Meglos. 599 00:50:51.900 --> 00:50:53.039 Megloss. 600 00:50:53.099 --> 00:50:53.760 Oh my god. 601 00:50:53.820 --> 00:50:55.860 Academy Award winner. 602 00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:57.000 Olivia Coleman. 603 00:50:57.780 --> 00:51:00.119 He is a cactus. 604 00:51:00.179 --> 00:51:01.920 The role she was born for. 605 00:51:18.539 --> 00:51:31.500 So this episode ends with a scene that really has nothing very much to do with the rest of the episode and seems to be kind of leading into the finale, but I think it's worth mentioning. 606 00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:44.699 And we need to remember, I think, that Rory died just 2 weeks ago, and then in the last episode, Vincent mentions to Amy that Rory's gone. 607 00:51:44.820 --> 00:51:51.059 So as the viewing audience, we haven't had the chance to forget this, how do we think this plays? 608 00:51:51.900 --> 00:52:01.380 So, yeah, Amy discovering the ring in the TARDIS, which obviously sparks a memory about Rory and then kind of guides into the finale. 609 00:52:01.860 --> 00:52:06.780 First of all, I was immediately struck at kind of how well done that was. 610 00:52:06.900 --> 00:52:13.500 And I do think as we're heading into like this 2 part finale, you do need a reminder. 611 00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:20.159 But I do, I think it's like an unfortunate thing about modern television in that it is so serialised. 612 00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:27.539 That you can't really just watch a single episode and this on its own is a nice fluffy standalone episode. 613 00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:34.860 But if I gave this to somebody to watch, like, you know, one of my friends who never watched Doctor Who before, well, they'd be like, well, what was that all about? 614 00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:37.079 What the hell did that have to do with the episode at large? 615 00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:39.960 So I see the purpose of it. 616 00:52:40.019 --> 00:52:42.599 I just think like for rewatching a single episode. 617 00:52:42.780 --> 00:52:44.699 It's kind of a shame. 618 00:52:45.179 --> 00:52:52.860 I do think though, that because modern TV is so serialised, we kind of expect that to some degree. 619 00:52:52.920 --> 00:53:07.320 And certainly it's only a couple of minutes compared to the, like next year, um, a similar thing happens because, um, the sequel to this is in the same position in the season, isn't it? 620 00:53:07.380 --> 00:53:13.980 And that's a much weirder and less comprehensible ending than what we get here. 621 00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:28.500 I think it's a terrifying cliffhanger because what we have is the possibility that Amy is going to remember that her, you know, pre-wedding jitters have got her boyfriend killed. 622 00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:35.039 So, in context, and it's hard to remember what it was like at the time. 623 00:53:35.099 --> 00:53:39.780 In context, this was actually a really kind of shocking conclusion. 624 00:53:40.260 --> 00:53:44.699 Yeah, I remember it being a, oh, no moment. 625 00:53:44.820 --> 00:53:45.420 Yeah. 626 00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:50.940 Helped along by the fact that Karen Gillan is so facially expressive. 627 00:53:51.659 --> 00:53:54.599 Yeah, yeah, very much that. 628 00:53:54.659 --> 00:54:01.380 She does, um, do, like the way she looks at the ring in this kind of puzzled fear is really striking. 629 00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:18.000 And the way it's filmed as well, and just those tight close-ups of her, and the music especially is really chilly, where you've got that kind of do, do, do, opposite these kind of low cello kind of sounds. 630 00:54:18.059 --> 00:54:20.880 I find it really spooked me actually. 631 00:54:20.940 --> 00:54:21.900 I found it very ominous. 632 00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:23.219 So it was very good. 633 00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:26.400 And they use they use that same music, don't they? 634 00:54:26.400 --> 00:54:31.980 in Pandora are open as she's rediscovering at the end of that episode, so he kind of linked in too. 635 00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:38.460 It's, I just want to say for a 2nd the score in general for this episode and for this entire season. 636 00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:42.119 I think this is like peak Doctor Who music in the new series. 637 00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:58.980 Yeah, I have said before, I think that Murray sometimes just kind of recycles the same old cues and gets a little bit, perhaps a little bit complacent in the RTD era at some point, but he's certainly trying to impress his new boss this season, I think. 638 00:54:59.460 --> 00:55:08.340 And it is one of those cliffhangers that I love, which isn't like moment of jeopardy have been done to death in Doctor Who. 639 00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:11.639 It's one of those cliffhangers, which is like conceptual. 640 00:55:11.699 --> 00:55:13.619 It's an ideas, cliffhanger. 641 00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:19.559 So it's less about, oh, someone's in danger and more about, oh, where's the story going now? 642 00:55:19.619 --> 00:55:21.539 And I really like those. 643 00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:34.320 I think as I get older, I like those a lot more than I like the, you know, like the human nature family of blood, choose between so-and-so and so-and-so, this sort of underplayed subtle cliffhanger. is a lot more effective. 644 00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:02.099 Well, dear listener, that's all. 645 00:56:02.099 --> 00:56:03.300 We have time for this week. 646 00:56:03.420 --> 00:56:11.760 We'll be back next week for some hilarious sitcom Quippery as we hang around Stonehenge waiting until the Pandorica opens. 647 00:56:11.820 --> 00:56:27.300 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts and you can keep up with us at flight through entirety on Facebook, at FDE podcast on Twitter, and on our website, flightthroughentirety.com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger and Jody into Terra. 648 00:56:27.539 --> 00:56:30.420 Jack, where can people find you online? 649 00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:39.539 Um, so you can find me on Twitter if you're so inclined for some reason uh, at uh, Shaq Janahan. 650 00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:41.519 It's an injoke. 651 00:56:41.579 --> 00:56:42.960 It will make sense to somebody out there. 652 00:56:43.019 --> 00:56:53.699 Um, but you can also find, um, if you enjoyed Joe and I politely interrupting uh, Brendan and Nathan at various points. 653 00:56:53.820 --> 00:57:07.619 You can tune into our own podcast, which is, um, the Naimon be praised, uh, which Joe and I, um, spend essentially nattering at each other relentlessly and try to make each other laugh and disagree with each other. 654 00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:16.739 You can find us, and we've been very lucky to have Nathan on at some and we would love to have any of the rest of the FTE team on at some point as well. 655 00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:22.019 You can find us on Twitter at at Naimon Podcast. 656 00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:25.980 Just type the 91B praise or on Facebook as well. 657 00:57:26.579 --> 00:57:29.340 And Joe, where can people find you? 658 00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:31.199 Uh, right. 659 00:57:31.260 --> 00:57:39.239 Well, it feels slightly egotistical to do so, but I have a 2nd podcast out there called A Hamster with a Blunt Penknife. 660 00:57:39.300 --> 00:57:40.380 I hope you get the reference. 661 00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:43.380 And that is Doctor Who Coventaries. 662 00:57:43.440 --> 00:57:50.039 It's me and one guest, a different guest each time, watching through a Doctor Who story, and bantering, basically. 663 00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:58.920 On Twitter, I am at Doc Oho, DOC OHO, but you may have heard of my blog.coho reviews. 664 00:57:58.980 --> 00:58:00.179 That's the reference to that. 665 00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:06.360 But it's on every available platform, anchor, Spotify, Google Podcasts. 666 00:58:06.360 --> 00:58:17.219 And I have already had one of the hosts from today, Nathan Bottomey, records 3 stories already, one of which which is out already. 667 00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:24.659 That's aliens of London and World War 3 where he, for an hour and a half managed to convince the world that that was the best story ever. 668 00:58:25.260 --> 00:58:35.460 And I am going to be having um, Brendan, uh, my host here today, uh, on very soon to, um, it's a defensive time flight, isn't it, Brendan? 669 00:58:36.300 --> 00:58:38.099 Even Arab. 670 00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:40.260 Yes. 671 00:58:40.380 --> 00:58:42.480 Love time flight. 672 00:58:42.539 --> 00:58:44.579 Well, love is strong. 673 00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:47.280 I am comfortable with time fly. 674 00:58:47.340 --> 00:58:48.119 Well, comfortable. 675 00:58:48.179 --> 00:58:50.340 Um, it's gonna be fun. 676 00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:52.440 It's going to be fun. 677 00:58:53.099 --> 00:59:03.239 And I feel I should just mention before we go, that we, we, we consider ourselves your marketing team now because we literally mentioned this podcast on every episode. 678 00:59:03.300 --> 00:59:04.739 So you're welcome. 679 00:59:04.860 --> 00:59:07.860 Oh, well, thank that is very much appreciated, chaps. 680 00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:08.219 Thank you. 681 00:59:08.340 --> 00:59:16.920 Well, in that case, all that remains is for me to say, until next time, may you look less like your couch than we look like ours. 682 00:59:16.980 --> 00:59:19.739 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 683 00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:21.900 I knew I shouldn't have worn this. 684 00:59:21.960 --> 00:59:22.380 Good night. 685 00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:23.639 Good night. 686 00:59:23.699 --> 00:59:24.119 Good night. 687 00:59:28.800 --> 00:59:35.219 That was Flight 3 entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, Joe Ford, Brendan Jones and Jack Shanahan. 688 00:59:35.280 --> 00:59:37.199 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb. 689 00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:43.679 This episode, relatable, was recorded on the 14th of March 2021 and released on the 23rd of May. 690 00:59:46.739 --> 00:59:56.280 This episode is brought to you by Zencaster, the online podcasting tool that lends you see a pixelated slideshow of your remote guests, and occasionally hear some of the things they're saying. 691 00:59:56.400 --> 01:00:02.400 Go to zencaster.com and use the offer code tiresome at checkout. 692 01:00:05.460 --> 01:00:06.239 Hello? 693 01:00:07.019 --> 01:00:09.000 Joe, are you there? 694 01:00:09.420 --> 01:00:11.340 I'm here. 695 01:00:11.639 --> 01:00:14.099 I think we've lost them. 696 01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:19.139 Oh, okay, so so we can hear each other and they can't hear us. 697 01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:21.179 That's that's bizarre. 698 01:00:21.239 --> 01:00:22.079 Yeah. 699 01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:26.219 Hello and welcome to the Noble Be Praised. 700 01:00:26.280 --> 01:00:26.880 I'm Jack. 701 01:00:28.079 --> 01:00:31.260 Welcome to a hamster for blump and night. 702 01:00:32.820 --> 01:00:36.059 We shouldn't have done that. shameless. 703 01:00:36.119 --> 01:00:38.039 They're going to have to cut that. 704 01:00:38.519 --> 01:00:40.199 Are we back? 705 01:00:41.099 --> 01:00:42.780 I don't know. 706 01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:43.559 I can't hear them. 707 01:00:43.739 --> 01:00:45.659 We can hear you. 708 01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:46.980 You can't hear us. 709 01:00:47.039 --> 01:00:48.480 We can hear you. 710 01:00:48.539 --> 01:00:50.760 Wait, were you talking to me or to them? 711 01:00:51.539 --> 01:00:56.099 Wait, can I can hear you, Joe, but Jack is offline. 712 01:00:56.159 --> 01:00:57.780 Jack is not here anymore. 713 01:00:57.840 --> 01:00:59.579 Oh, I can hear you. 714 01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:01.019 I'm assuming both of us will. 715 01:01:01.079 --> 01:01:01.920 Yeah, I can hear Jack. 716 01:01:01.980 --> 01:01:03.960 I can hear Jack and I can hear you too. 717 01:01:04.019 --> 01:01:06.119 That's who I can hear. can hear everybody. 718 01:01:06.179 --> 01:01:07.619 You can hear Jack. 719 01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:09.599 I can't... 720 01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:12.420 Oh, I can't hear Nathan and Brendan. 721 01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:14.940 Jack, can you refresh the browser? 722 01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:16.320 Can you tell him to refresh the browser? 723 01:01:16.380 --> 01:01:17.340 Will that keep his recording? 724 01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:19.619 Uh... 725 01:01:19.619 --> 01:01:21.179 Let's stop and start. 726 01:01:21.300 --> 01:01:23.400 I feel as if I'm in a chronic hysteresis.