WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-04 at 13:26:59 1 00:00:36.060 --> 00:00:39.420 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight Through 2 00:00:39.420 --> 00:00:39.899 Entirety. 3 00:00:40.020 --> 00:00:44.039 The only Doctor Who podcast exploring an exciting new retail 4 00:00:44.039 --> 00:00:48.119 opportunity right in the heart of the 5th moon of Cinda Callista. 5 00:00:48.179 --> 00:00:49.979 I'm Nathan. 6 00:00:50.039 --> 00:00:50.520 I am Brendan. 7 00:00:50.579 --> 00:00:53.100 I'm Joe. And I'm Jack. 8 00:00:53.159 --> 00:00:56.880 Well, we're nearing the end of the season now, so we've decided to 9 00:00:56.880 --> 00:01:00.719 give Amy the week off and to spend some quality bro time with our 10 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:03.299 new flatmate TV's James Corden. 11 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:07.500 It's a week of football, heterosexuality, and neglecting the 12 00:01:07.500 --> 00:01:10.620 housework as we discuss the lodger. 13 00:01:25.680 --> 00:01:30.120 So, Joe, your English, why does everyone hate James Corden? 14 00:01:30.239 --> 00:01:35.159 I've got absolutely no idea, because I think he's rather wonderful 15 00:01:35.159 --> 00:01:37.920 and I thought he was rather wonderful in this episode, as well. 16 00:01:37.980 --> 00:01:41.459 What you say to me, I mean, what did you think of James Gordon in 17 00:01:41.459 --> 00:01:41.640 this? 18 00:01:41.760 --> 00:01:43.920 I really like him. 19 00:01:43.920 --> 00:01:46.439 I think he does a great job and I think he has great chemistry 20 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:47.340 with Matt. 21 00:01:47.640 --> 00:01:52.620 I sometimes think of it, it's because he's, um, he's successful. 22 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:57.180 Like, he's he's somebody who started off in, uh, like doing sketch 23 00:01:57.180 --> 00:01:59.159 shows and sitcoms and things like that. 24 00:01:59.219 --> 00:02:03.000 Popped off to America and has made a fantastic career for 25 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:03.239 himself. 26 00:02:03.299 --> 00:02:07.019 But in this episode, I thought he was absolutely brilliant. 27 00:02:07.140 --> 00:02:11.400 I thought, uh, very, well, not charismatic, but very likeable, very 28 00:02:11.400 --> 00:02:12.659 relatable and very funny. 29 00:02:13.259 --> 00:02:17.400 He has a sort of every man shtick, I think, that works really 30 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:18.180 well. 31 00:02:18.300 --> 00:02:20.520 You know, like he's not too attractive. 32 00:02:20.580 --> 00:02:24.300 He's not too confident and that's exactly what the role needs, I 33 00:02:24.300 --> 00:02:24.539 think. 34 00:02:25.439 --> 00:02:31.560 And there's definitely a bit, the role requires James Corden to be 35 00:02:31.560 --> 00:02:35.759 a bit of a good sport because they do make fun of him quite 36 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:38.819 relentlessly throughout the episode at various points in a very 37 00:02:38.819 --> 00:02:42.599 affectionate way, but nonetheless, it's when they're calling him 38 00:02:42.599 --> 00:02:44.520 like the sofa man and all that kind of stuff. 39 00:02:45.180 --> 00:02:49.080 I actually think he plays the reaction to that absolutely 40 00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:53.400 beautifully, you know, like, um, it could so easily have gone 41 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:56.759 wrong and we don't quite know, you know, how he's going to react 42 00:02:56.759 --> 00:02:58.560 to the doctor because the doctor is so odd. 43 00:02:58.620 --> 00:03:02.400 And when he says that you're starting to look like your sofa line 44 00:03:02.400 --> 00:03:09.060 and Craig responds by laughing kind of and making it clear that 45 00:03:09.060 --> 00:03:12.180 it's sort of, you know, slightly the wrong thing to say. 46 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:16.620 Um, yeah, I think I think they have a great chemistry together. 47 00:03:16.740 --> 00:03:20.699 And of course, James Corden was just coming off the back of the 48 00:03:20.699 --> 00:03:22.860 original run of Gavin and Stacy. 49 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:27.180 Yep. at this and, of course, also had Horn and Corden, the sketch 50 00:03:27.180 --> 00:03:27.780 comedy show. 51 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:34.319 So getting him, I think he almost had the same profile as, say 52 00:03:34.319 --> 00:03:35.280 getting Catherine Tate. 53 00:03:35.340 --> 00:03:38.219 Yeah, it is a big sort of casting thing. 54 00:03:38.219 --> 00:03:40.020 And we have had a few of those this year. 55 00:03:40.439 --> 00:03:44.580 Yeah, yeah, we've had Sophie Okinito, we've had Miracial. 56 00:03:44.699 --> 00:03:45.240 Yeah. 57 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:47.039 Um, just Olivia Coleman. 58 00:03:47.039 --> 00:03:49.259 Olivia Coleman for 10 seconds, yeah. 59 00:03:49.319 --> 00:03:54.120 Oh, what a waste of Olivia Coleman. 10 seconds of Olivia Coleman 60 00:03:54.240 --> 00:03:55.439 coming soon to HBO. 61 00:03:55.500 --> 00:04:00.479 It is nice to see like a guest act well spotlight here. 62 00:04:00.539 --> 00:04:03.419 I think that is one of the weaknesses of this era, is occasionally 63 00:04:03.419 --> 00:04:07.860 people like Arabella Weir and Bill Bailey and Olivia Coleman are 64 00:04:07.860 --> 00:04:11.280 wasted on like tiny roles, whereas it's nice, you know, this is 65 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:13.860 James Gordon's episode, you know, and he gets another one as 66 00:04:13.860 --> 00:04:14.039 well. 67 00:04:14.099 --> 00:04:17.639 And should we mention Daisy Haggard as well? 68 00:04:17.699 --> 00:04:19.199 Oh, marvellous. 69 00:04:19.259 --> 00:04:23.459 I don't know that she's quite as big at that point. 70 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:28.439 But she would still be recognisable to the audience. 71 00:04:28.500 --> 00:04:32.819 You know, it would be a matter of casual viewers tuning in would 72 00:04:32.819 --> 00:04:34.620 go, oh, it's that bloke and that and that woman. 73 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:35.819 I know them. 74 00:04:35.879 --> 00:04:41.819 I mean, I loved her since Psychoville, where she's like super 75 00:04:41.819 --> 00:04:43.920 stupid and super evil. 76 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:48.120 And then she's in episodes where she plays the head of comedy at 77 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:52.980 that American TV network who doesn't get jokes and sort of never 78 00:04:52.980 --> 00:04:53.879 laughs or anything. 79 00:04:53.939 --> 00:04:56.040 And she's only quite amazing. 80 00:04:56.100 --> 00:04:58.980 And of course, since then she's gone on to create back to life 81 00:04:58.980 --> 00:05:00.779 which I just think is really terrific. 82 00:05:00.839 --> 00:05:07.259 So she's a big catch, perhaps more in retrospect than at the 83 00:05:07.259 --> 00:05:07.439 time. 84 00:05:07.800 --> 00:05:13.800 And I think she's matched very perfectly against James Corden as 85 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:14.040 well. 86 00:05:14.100 --> 00:05:19.379 Um, because especially in their opening scenes, um, together, after 87 00:05:19.379 --> 00:05:22.139 you kind of get through the sort of sci-fi hook with the doctor 88 00:05:22.139 --> 00:05:28.199 being dumped off, uh, on Earth, they build the kind of the, the 89 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:31.560 the history of their relationship and their kind of dynamic and 90 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:35.399 the kind of awkwardness about, they both feel the same way, but 91 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:36.420 they don't want to talk about. 92 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:40.379 They do that together so quickly before the doctor even shows up 93 00:05:40.379 --> 00:05:41.100 at the doorstep. 94 00:05:41.160 --> 00:05:42.899 It's they're brilliant together as well. 95 00:05:43.079 --> 00:05:46.139 This is a doctor who doing a comedy sitcom. 96 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:49.740 So the chemistry has got to be there and it really is. 97 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:52.379 Like, I think from the very 1st scene, there's great chemistry 98 00:05:52.379 --> 00:05:53.220 between those two. 99 00:05:53.339 --> 00:05:56.279 And you have to want them to get together and you do. 100 00:05:56.339 --> 00:05:57.540 Yeah. 101 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:01.920 I still say pizza booze telly all the time from this episode. 102 00:06:01.980 --> 00:06:04.620 That's a thing that I do every week is go over to my friend 103 00:06:04.620 --> 00:06:08.699 Robert's place and have pizza booze tally and it absolutely comes 104 00:06:08.699 --> 00:06:09.060 from that. 105 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:11.100 And there's a real warmth to that. 106 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:17.759 And, and I just love, you know, how reluctant she is to go and see 107 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:22.319 her friend Melina because pizza boost Hell is so, you know, so 108 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:23.160 important to her. 109 00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:28.019 And he's sort of disappointed when she says on the phone, oh, it's 110 00:06:28.019 --> 00:06:28.259 nothing. 111 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:30.240 I just, you know, it's just Craig. 112 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:35.699 But both of them, so both of them are downplaying pizza booze 113 00:06:35.699 --> 00:06:39.420 telly is an important thing to do, but both of them clearly 114 00:06:39.420 --> 00:06:42.720 clearly love doing it and just love hanging out with each other. 115 00:06:43.259 --> 00:06:47.100 Yeah, one of my favourite little things in that scene is when 116 00:06:47.100 --> 00:06:50.040 James Cornen, he's got the pizza menu in his hand and he just 117 00:06:50.040 --> 00:06:52.860 throws it away, like it means nothing. 118 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:55.680 He's like, oh, yeah, it's just, it's just pizza boots. doesn't 119 00:06:55.680 --> 00:06:59.279 mean anything and he just like, he like throws it as far as away 120 00:06:59.279 --> 00:06:59.699 as he can. 121 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:00.540 It's so sweet. 122 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:02.879 And particularly with those characters. 123 00:07:02.939 --> 00:07:07.259 They feel really worn in, if that makes sense. 124 00:07:07.319 --> 00:07:10.860 Like, uh, when, um, you know, the doorbell rings and Craig 125 00:07:10.860 --> 00:07:15.060 realises that um, she's left her keys behind, that he says like 126 00:07:15.060 --> 00:07:20.100 every, like every time, um, and there's just like all those little 127 00:07:20.100 --> 00:07:23.339 things, like, it's the pizza booze and telly that they've clearly 128 00:07:23.339 --> 00:07:24.600 been doing this for ages. 129 00:07:24.660 --> 00:07:27.420 She's leaving her keys behind all the time. 130 00:07:27.480 --> 00:07:30.779 There's the photo of them on the fridge, which is immediately 131 00:07:30.779 --> 00:07:33.720 drawn attention to, and you just get a sense of how long they've 132 00:07:33.720 --> 00:07:36.420 been friends for, which I think is really lovely. 133 00:07:37.319 --> 00:07:38.939 Yeah, yeah. 134 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:42.360 And there's all these little moments in the episode where James 135 00:07:42.360 --> 00:07:46.920 Corden does something nonchalantly to hide how he's really feeling 136 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:49.379 like throwing the pizza menu, and then there's just this little 137 00:07:49.379 --> 00:07:53.879 flicker on his face of nobody throws a pizza menu to show. 138 00:07:53.939 --> 00:07:57.600 Yeah, it's it's that moment from friends where Joey says, you 139 00:07:57.600 --> 00:07:59.040 can't say you're breezy. 140 00:07:59.100 --> 00:08:03.899 That negates the fact that you're breezy. he's doing that all the 141 00:08:03.899 --> 00:08:04.560 way through. 142 00:08:04.620 --> 00:08:11.819 And it's a rom-com, but it also has a sort of 1940s screwball kind 143 00:08:11.819 --> 00:08:16.620 of mentality to the way Craig is written. 144 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:20.639 Like, you could imagine, say, Jerry Lewis or Donald O'Connor 145 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:21.180 playing this part. 146 00:08:21.300 --> 00:08:22.680 Yeah. 147 00:08:22.740 --> 00:08:26.639 Yeah, I, I think, I think it's really, it's really warm and really 148 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:33.480 lovely and the 2 of them bring, they bring that and they bring the 149 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:34.919 believability. to it. 150 00:08:34.980 --> 00:08:38.580 And then, of course, that all gets steamrolled over once the 151 00:08:38.580 --> 00:08:39.299 doctor arrives. 152 00:08:45.419 --> 00:08:48.960 I'm guessing the reception must have been strong enough for this 153 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:50.879 episode because is it done? 154 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:51.960 It's the next season, isn't it? 155 00:08:52.019 --> 00:08:52.919 They're back again, both of them. 156 00:08:52.980 --> 00:08:54.720 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 157 00:08:54.779 --> 00:08:57.779 Daisy Haggard just for a little bit, but James Gordon for a whole 158 00:08:57.779 --> 00:08:58.019 episode. 159 00:08:58.080 --> 00:09:02.519 Yeah, no, I can only imagine that Moffatt has just spoken to the 160 00:09:02.519 --> 00:09:05.940 writer and said, do it again, you know, do it again next year. 161 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:10.980 And he does that. in a sort of surprisingly similar way, which 162 00:09:10.980 --> 00:09:13.139 maybe we'll talk about when we get to it. 163 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:17.340 I still can't believe that there's a Doctor Who romantic sitcom in 164 00:09:17.340 --> 00:09:21.059 the Moffatt era that's not written by Stephen Moffatt, given that 165 00:09:21.059 --> 00:09:22.320 that's where he's come from. 166 00:09:22.379 --> 00:09:24.779 They handed that to another writer. 167 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:28.440 Well, I think, you know, like, I think probably Roberts and 168 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:32.519 Moffatt have a pretty good relationship and Roberts is one of the 169 00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:36.059 experienced writers that he's brought across this year. 170 00:09:36.120 --> 00:09:41.100 And you can see that there are similarities thematically between 171 00:09:41.100 --> 00:09:47.580 this story and season 5 as a whole because season 5, as we've said 172 00:09:47.580 --> 00:09:51.659 many, many times over the last few episodes, is about a woman 173 00:09:51.659 --> 00:09:56.519 running away from adulthood and avoiding her wedding. 174 00:09:56.580 --> 00:10:01.019 And these 2 aren't, you know, avoiding getting married for quite 175 00:10:01.019 --> 00:10:02.039 the same reasons. 176 00:10:02.100 --> 00:10:03.779 They're just terribly clueless. 177 00:10:04.259 --> 00:10:07.559 But it's the same sort of theme. 178 00:10:07.620 --> 00:10:11.279 And then the following year, you know, there's a baby and that's 179 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:15.779 also uh, upsettingly part of the uh, the series 6 arc. 180 00:10:16.860 --> 00:10:20.100 I think it's really interesting actually, now that you mention it 181 00:10:20.100 --> 00:10:23.580 because you're right, the whole series is about Amy running away 182 00:10:23.580 --> 00:10:24.539 from her own wedding. 183 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:28.440 Um, and then in this episode where she's not there, you've got 184 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:34.740 these 2 people who are kind of avoiding, uh, who are too nervous 185 00:10:34.740 --> 00:10:37.740 to fall into the, into their relationship, but they don't run 186 00:10:37.740 --> 00:10:38.039 away. 187 00:10:38.100 --> 00:10:38.879 They do the opposite. 188 00:10:38.940 --> 00:10:40.379 They stay exactly put. 189 00:10:40.440 --> 00:10:43.200 Um, and just stay rooted. 190 00:10:43.259 --> 00:10:46.080 They have all these dreams about maybe going somewhere. 191 00:10:46.139 --> 00:10:49.139 Well, Sophie in particular, it talks about going elsewhere, but 192 00:10:49.139 --> 00:10:49.860 she stays here. 193 00:10:49.919 --> 00:10:53.519 Uh, and it's the complete opposite of Amy, where, you know, she 194 00:10:53.519 --> 00:10:55.559 runs away the night before a wedding. 195 00:10:55.799 --> 00:11:00.120 Yeah, I think I think that's the thing that's really well drawn 196 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:02.879 and it's obviously important for the science fiction plot, which 197 00:11:02.879 --> 00:11:05.039 we're not going to get to for a long time because it's super 198 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:05.580 tedious. 199 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:10.980 But, um, you know, the idea that both of them are stuck where they 200 00:11:10.980 --> 00:11:13.980 are. basically because they love one another. 201 00:11:14.039 --> 00:11:18.720 So, um, Sophie is of no interest to the man upstairs at the 202 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:22.379 beginning of the story because she wants to be with Craig and she 203 00:11:22.379 --> 00:11:24.179 says to the doctor, all my friends are here. 204 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:29.039 It'd be scary to go anywhere else and Craig famously can't see the 205 00:11:29.039 --> 00:11:32.399 point of London and can't see the point of Paris or anything like 206 00:11:32.399 --> 00:11:32.700 that. 207 00:11:32.759 --> 00:11:35.639 He just wants to be where he is. 208 00:11:36.179 --> 00:11:39.299 And it can't really explain why either. 209 00:11:39.419 --> 00:11:42.419 The doctor actually kind of asks him and he just kind of goes, oh 210 00:11:42.419 --> 00:11:43.200 it's comfortable. 211 00:11:43.259 --> 00:11:43.799 It's nice. 212 00:11:44.159 --> 00:11:45.779 Yeah, yeah. 213 00:11:45.840 --> 00:11:48.179 When he says, I don't really see the point of London, he's sort of 214 00:11:48.179 --> 00:11:49.379 swirling his wine around it. 215 00:11:49.379 --> 00:11:52.559 I think that's another one of those moments where the interiority 216 00:11:52.559 --> 00:11:54.539 of that is, what a bloody stupid statement. 217 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:55.259 It's on the train. 218 00:11:55.679 --> 00:11:58.080 I can go there in an hour. 219 00:11:58.139 --> 00:12:02.700 But that's what I'm what I love so much about the characterisation 220 00:12:02.700 --> 00:12:03.299 of these two. 221 00:12:03.360 --> 00:12:06.480 I realised as I was watching this for the for the podcast. 222 00:12:06.899 --> 00:12:12.840 Every time Russell introduces a new companion at the at the top of 223 00:12:12.840 --> 00:12:13.500 a season. 224 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:18.000 So Rose, Smith and Jones are partners in crime where he 225 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:23.820 reintroduces Donna, they're always juxtaposed with someone who's 226 00:12:23.820 --> 00:12:27.899 not good enough to travel with the doctor because they're phased 227 00:12:27.899 --> 00:12:29.220 by all the strange stuff. 228 00:12:29.279 --> 00:12:35.159 So with Rose, it's Mickey, with Martha, it's her friend Julia, who 229 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:37.799 the doctor dismiss is saying leave her, she'll slow us down. 230 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:41.879 And then you've got Penny, the reporter, who's going to report 231 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:42.840 them for weirdness. 232 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:48.360 And here, instead, the writer goes, no, no, no, there is strength 233 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:49.500 in being comfortable. 234 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:54.120 So so long as you are truly comfortable in where you are. 235 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:58.740 So much so that, In an earlier draft of the script. 236 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:03.779 At the end, the doctor takes Craig and Sophie to see the Tartar 237 00:13:03.779 --> 00:13:07.559 and offers them a trip and they say, nope, Craig actually says 238 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:08.759 I've got everything I need right here. 239 00:13:08.820 --> 00:13:12.960 And at the beginning of the episode, we're sort of invited to 240 00:13:12.960 --> 00:13:14.100 think, oh, that's really sad. 241 00:13:14.159 --> 00:13:16.320 He doesn't want to go to Paris, he doesn't want to do this. want 242 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:16.559 to do that. 243 00:13:16.620 --> 00:13:19.440 With that ending, it's like, no, no, you really do have everything 244 00:13:19.440 --> 00:13:19.919 you want. 245 00:13:19.980 --> 00:13:20.820 Yeah. 246 00:13:21.299 --> 00:13:24.000 I mean, we do get the, I could see the point of Paris if you were 247 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:24.480 there with me. 248 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:25.620 Yeah, yeah. 249 00:13:25.679 --> 00:13:27.960 There's a hint of there's a hint of expansion. 250 00:13:28.019 --> 00:13:28.559 Yeah. 251 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:33.240 You know, but it's, it's all, it's also, it's like that moment in 252 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:36.539 Father's Day when Eccleston is talking to the married couple and 253 00:13:36.539 --> 00:13:37.980 they're like, we're not important. 254 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:39.120 He's like, of course you're important. 255 00:13:39.179 --> 00:13:41.279 But this actually backs it up. 256 00:13:41.340 --> 00:13:43.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 257 00:13:43.139 --> 00:13:45.120 Well, it gives us enough time with these people. 258 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:48.120 And that's the other thing that I like about this an enormous 259 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:48.419 amount. 260 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:50.279 I think that Doctor Who. 261 00:13:50.460 --> 00:13:53.340 You know, because of the way it started. 262 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:57.179 It was always an exciting adventure, we'd land on a planet or 263 00:13:57.179 --> 00:13:58.440 there'd be aliens or whatever. 264 00:13:58.500 --> 00:14:02.519 But in 45 minutes, you don't actually have to do that. 265 00:14:02.580 --> 00:14:05.399 You could do something quite different. 266 00:14:05.460 --> 00:14:07.860 And this comes close to it. 267 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:10.200 I think the power of 3 comes close to it. 268 00:14:10.259 --> 00:14:16.559 Maybe, um, boom town, where we just kind of get to see what 269 00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:19.080 they're doing when they're not really in an adventure. 270 00:14:19.139 --> 00:14:22.860 And I think a lot of people dismiss those stories because the 271 00:14:22.860 --> 00:14:26.220 adventure or the science fiction element of them is so 272 00:14:26.220 --> 00:14:26.940 undercooked. 273 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:29.100 But I don't care. 274 00:14:29.159 --> 00:14:31.080 I would like to see more of that. 275 00:14:31.139 --> 00:14:35.700 And I think, um, like Morden Undead is a little bit like that. 276 00:14:35.700 --> 00:14:39.419 And, you know, the 1st episode of Black Orchid is like that. 277 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:41.460 I think Planet of Fire is a bit like that. 278 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:44.399 You know, there's a little bit of time to breathe and just see 279 00:14:44.399 --> 00:14:48.179 what the characters are doing when they're not being captured and 280 00:14:48.179 --> 00:14:49.200 escaping and stuff. 281 00:14:49.259 --> 00:14:54.000 And I certainly think you could afford to, you know, waste um, a 282 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:57.600 single episode a season letting that sort of thing happen. 283 00:14:57.779 --> 00:15:01.320 Well, yeah, no, I find that especially interesting because I 284 00:15:01.320 --> 00:15:05.940 haven't, um, rewatched the lodger in an incredibly long time. 285 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:08.820 I can't even remember the last time I saw it, but I do kind of 286 00:15:08.820 --> 00:15:12.179 remember the 1st time I saw it when it went out on the air. 287 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:17.460 Um, and at that time, I was kind of, you know, I thought it was 288 00:15:17.460 --> 00:15:18.000 fine. 289 00:15:18.059 --> 00:15:20.580 I was like, oh, this is okay, but that was because I was like in 290 00:15:20.580 --> 00:15:25.379 my early kind of teens and uh, I was all kind of, you know, when 291 00:15:25.379 --> 00:15:27.720 you're, when you're in your teenage years and it's like, it's all 292 00:15:27.720 --> 00:15:28.799 got to be sci-fi plotting. 293 00:15:28.860 --> 00:15:31.200 It's all got to be. the sci-fi stuff I am here for. 294 00:15:31.259 --> 00:15:33.480 Not that this kind of comedy romance angle. 295 00:15:33.539 --> 00:15:38.580 And then, of course, many years later, when I, um, in here in 2021 296 00:15:38.580 --> 00:15:43.980 when I watched it now, I was so delighted at how little the sci-fi 297 00:15:43.980 --> 00:15:50.460 side of the story intrudes upon, uh, the character dynamic, uh, and 298 00:15:50.460 --> 00:15:52.799 the fun of the story and the jokes as well. 299 00:15:53.100 --> 00:15:58.019 If um, if you'd have told me at some point that there would be a 300 00:15:58.019 --> 00:16:01.259 scene with the doctor playing football in the middle of an episode 301 00:16:01.259 --> 00:16:04.259 I have no interest in football whatsoever. 302 00:16:04.259 --> 00:16:06.840 I would have been like, that, that episode would not be for me. 303 00:16:06.899 --> 00:16:10.019 I think it's my favourite scene in the entire episode. 304 00:16:10.139 --> 00:16:13.139 It's so unrepresentative what Doctor Who normally is. 305 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:15.419 It absolutely should be cheering. 306 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:16.919 It's so lovely, that scene in the middle. 307 00:16:16.980 --> 00:16:20.639 Like he's just embracing that life on earth and having so much 308 00:16:20.639 --> 00:16:20.879 fun. 309 00:16:21.299 --> 00:16:26.279 It clearly owes something to the scene from Black Orchard part one 310 00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:31.139 which I really like as well, but it's better than that, because it 311 00:16:31.139 --> 00:16:34.259 has a proper character point, because that's the other thing that 312 00:16:34.259 --> 00:16:37.679 happens here is that the doctor arrives and he's super awkward and 313 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:44.220 super weird, but he is better at Craig's life than Craig is. 314 00:16:44.279 --> 00:16:47.580 And so that scene is absolutely joyous. 315 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:52.259 Murray does his version of the doctor's hero theme of the 11th 316 00:16:52.259 --> 00:16:56.639 doctor's hero theme, but a much more sort of fun and exciting 317 00:16:56.639 --> 00:16:58.019 version of it. 318 00:16:58.080 --> 00:16:59.759 And it's wonderful. 319 00:16:59.820 --> 00:17:01.740 It's so, so enjoyable. 320 00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:06.839 And I do also love that it is a nod to the fact that Matt Smith 321 00:17:06.839 --> 00:17:09.000 was almost a professional. 322 00:17:09.059 --> 00:17:10.019 Yeah. 323 00:17:10.019 --> 00:17:14.099 And then had to retire at 16 from football because of a backing. 324 00:17:14.220 --> 00:17:15.359 He is extremely good, isn't he? 325 00:17:15.420 --> 00:17:16.500 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 326 00:17:16.559 --> 00:17:21.359 Um, and um, in terms of Black Orchid watching this last night with 327 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:23.579 Rod, he turns to me and says, well, it's better than cricket. 328 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:29.279 You're a massive fan of Black Orchid, aren't you, Brendan? 329 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:34.500 I love Black Orchids, dear listener. 330 00:17:34.559 --> 00:17:39.779 Go look for Brandy Bongo's 5 Bottom Doctor Who stories... 331 00:17:39.779 --> 00:17:40.980 Enjoy in the show notes. 332 00:17:44.039 --> 00:17:46.500 Thing is, it's my sister's favourite story. 333 00:17:46.559 --> 00:17:48.779 Because she loves a good frock drama. 334 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:50.880 Yeah, well, and it's got lots of dancing and stuff. 335 00:17:50.940 --> 00:17:52.680 It has a lot of time wasting in part one. 336 00:17:52.740 --> 00:17:54.960 I think I remember saying that it was that was my favourite 337 00:17:54.960 --> 00:17:58.380 episode of the season, the favourite single episode of the 338 00:17:58.380 --> 00:17:58.619 season. 339 00:17:58.680 --> 00:17:59.759 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 340 00:17:59.819 --> 00:18:02.940 As Todd said at the time, Tegan finds her character when she gets 341 00:18:02.940 --> 00:18:03.240 drunk. 342 00:18:03.299 --> 00:18:04.200 Yeah, yeah. 343 00:18:05.519 --> 00:18:08.339 With Matt Smith's footballing as well. 344 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:12.660 I think something I picked up on as well because, you know, uh, I 345 00:18:12.660 --> 00:18:16.319 mean, the doctor playing football was obviously an idea uh, that 346 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:19.440 was originally in the comic uh, that this was based off. 347 00:18:19.500 --> 00:18:24.119 Um, and uh, but and Matt Smith happened to be a really good 348 00:18:24.119 --> 00:18:27.779 footballer and they just kind of drew on one of the things he 349 00:18:27.779 --> 00:18:28.859 loved to do when he was younger. 350 00:18:28.920 --> 00:18:32.759 And I think they do that again with Peter Capaldi as well, whether 351 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:36.720 Moffat draws on the fact that Peter Capaldi was in a rock band. 352 00:18:36.779 --> 00:18:40.380 So they make him play an electric guitar on a tank just to kind of 353 00:18:40.380 --> 00:18:43.319 reference that part of his of his of his youth. 354 00:18:43.380 --> 00:18:47.160 Yeah, well, I just think it's that whole scene is just 355 00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:49.319 tremendously, tremendously fun. 356 00:18:49.380 --> 00:18:51.299 And what's really fun about it. 357 00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:55.440 There's a moment where he's lying on the ground after having 358 00:18:55.440 --> 00:18:59.160 scored a goal and all the other guys like Sean and that run up and 359 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:03.299 kind of rub his belly or whatever. kind of there's a sort of just 360 00:19:03.299 --> 00:19:08.880 a hilarious moment of male bonding, which is absolutely not very 361 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:09.660 doctor-ish. 362 00:19:09.779 --> 00:19:13.079 No one rubbed John Pertuy's belly for the entire 5 years. 363 00:19:13.079 --> 00:19:14.400 He is the doctor. 364 00:19:14.460 --> 00:19:18.420 Well, as I understand the sport, that's that's actually offside. 365 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:19.559 Oh, okay. 366 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:22.920 I love that he's still wearing his jacket on the field. 367 00:19:23.279 --> 00:19:27.839 Yes, yes, he turns he turns up in in the football, in the football 368 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:29.700 jersey and shorts, but with the jacket. 369 00:19:30.180 --> 00:19:35.339 You remember I said that James Gordon, as Craig, was very 370 00:19:35.339 --> 00:19:39.059 relatable and I found him the most relatable in that scene. 371 00:19:39.119 --> 00:19:44.339 I was quite a podgy child, and I was squeezed into very um, small 372 00:19:44.339 --> 00:19:48.779 football, uh, uniforms at, and God bless him. 373 00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:51.960 He looks so cute, but that uniform was so small on him. 374 00:19:52.019 --> 00:19:54.900 Like, it's his little belly was... 375 00:19:55.079 --> 00:19:58.799 I, I, I just felt like that was me, aged about 8 years old. 376 00:19:58.859 --> 00:20:02.400 There's that scene at the end where he's just standing there 377 00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:07.140 completely forlorn because he hasn't had a very good game and his 378 00:20:07.140 --> 00:20:09.839 little bellies there. was definitely me. 379 00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:12.960 And his shorts look like a skirt. 380 00:20:13.019 --> 00:20:14.039 Yeah, they? 381 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:15.839 Yeah, it looks like a netball skirt. 382 00:20:15.900 --> 00:20:18.119 Yeah, because of the scribes. 383 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:22.319 Yeah, so and that's just kind of the beginning of where, you know 384 00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:23.400 there's a bit of an arc. 385 00:20:23.460 --> 00:20:26.519 And we haven't really talked about the doctor all that much yet. 386 00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:31.019 And there's a little bit there where the doctor starts to kind of 387 00:20:31.019 --> 00:20:32.940 take over Craig's life. 388 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:36.359 And I guess it starts with the football. 389 00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:38.519 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 390 00:20:38.579 --> 00:20:43.319 And then is he having he horns in on their date? 391 00:20:43.380 --> 00:20:49.380 Yep, where Craig is going to say that he loves Sophie, but he 392 00:20:49.380 --> 00:20:50.640 actually wrecks it. 393 00:20:50.700 --> 00:20:53.339 Yeah, he pops up behind from behind the sofa. 394 00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:54.299 From behind the sofa. 395 00:20:54.480 --> 00:20:56.700 Where the monsters can't get you. 396 00:20:56.819 --> 00:20:59.279 Is he unaware of what he's doing? 397 00:20:59.339 --> 00:21:02.460 Or is this just supposed to be kind of highlighting that this is 398 00:21:02.460 --> 00:21:05.099 an alien and he doesn't quite understand human interaction? 399 00:21:05.460 --> 00:21:10.680 Surely, because when they, uh, they, they ask him if he wants to 400 00:21:10.680 --> 00:21:14.160 stay and they're clearly queueing at him, do not stay. 401 00:21:14.220 --> 00:21:19.980 He says he says the fatal thing of saying, I don't mind. 402 00:21:19.980 --> 00:21:22.920 And social niceties kick in. 403 00:21:22.920 --> 00:21:25.619 So they go, well, okay, of course you can stay. 404 00:21:26.220 --> 00:21:30.539 And I think it's genuinely adorable because he just doesn't pick 405 00:21:30.539 --> 00:21:30.960 up on it. 406 00:21:31.619 --> 00:21:37.680 Except, you know, everything that's led up to this scene makes us 407 00:21:37.680 --> 00:21:40.140 think that the doctor doesn't understand what's going on among 408 00:21:40.140 --> 00:21:40.859 human beings. 409 00:21:40.920 --> 00:21:43.740 You know, he doesn't know how we greet one another these days. 410 00:21:43.799 --> 00:21:49.619 He thinks that Sean is threatening to literally annihilate the 411 00:21:49.619 --> 00:21:50.339 team next week. 412 00:21:50.519 --> 00:21:55.319 Stephen Moffatt will steal for the day of the doctor and basically 413 00:21:55.319 --> 00:21:56.400 just a rabbit. 414 00:21:58.500 --> 00:22:04.859 And and then he doesn't get that cue about them leaving. 415 00:22:04.920 --> 00:22:09.599 But it's in that conversation where he speaks to Sophie and you 416 00:22:09.599 --> 00:22:12.599 think that he's saying something really terrible that he shouldn't 417 00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:16.380 say, where he says, maybe you'll spend the rest of your life in a 418 00:22:16.380 --> 00:22:19.500 call centre being just sort of slightly miserable or maybe a call 419 00:22:19.500 --> 00:22:21.000 centres the best place for you. 420 00:22:21.059 --> 00:22:24.720 And she gets angry at him and then he smiles. 421 00:22:24.779 --> 00:22:31.920 And what he's done is intervene to try and get her to, to do, what 422 00:22:31.920 --> 00:22:34.619 he does is the doctor-ish thing of inspiring someone to be 423 00:22:34.619 --> 00:22:34.920 better. 424 00:22:34.980 --> 00:22:37.680 You know, that's the doctor. hes the doctor because he makes you 425 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:37.980 better. 426 00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:43.799 And we think that he doesn't understand that Craig is going to 427 00:22:43.799 --> 00:22:45.240 react badly to that. 428 00:22:45.299 --> 00:22:51.299 But it's very clear too that he knows that they both love each 429 00:22:51.299 --> 00:22:52.980 other and they're not doing anything about it. 430 00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:57.420 And it's that brilliant line where he says 6000000000 people 431 00:22:57.420 --> 00:22:59.039 watching you 2 at work. 432 00:22:59.099 --> 00:23:01.200 I'm starting to wonder where they all come from. 433 00:23:01.319 --> 00:23:06.539 And so it's very clear that he knows that they should be a couple 434 00:23:06.539 --> 00:23:11.339 but they're kind of hopeless together to add to that figure. 435 00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:15.119 So it's curious because so much time is spent making the doctor 436 00:23:15.119 --> 00:23:15.839 look weird. 437 00:23:15.900 --> 00:23:21.839 But in fact, he's very much more insightful than both Craig and 438 00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:23.519 Sophie about their relationship. 439 00:23:23.640 --> 00:23:27.539 And this is why I really, really love the doctor's 440 00:23:27.539 --> 00:23:32.400 characterisation in this particular story because obviously so 441 00:23:32.400 --> 00:23:36.359 much of the comedy comes from the doctor. from it's seeming like 442 00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:37.740 the doctor doesn't quite get it. 443 00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:42.900 But, um, uh, it's one of the things I really, I think when it 444 00:23:42.900 --> 00:23:46.259 works in the Moffat era, it works very well, which is they put a 445 00:23:46.259 --> 00:23:49.140 lot of emphasis on how smart the doctor is. 446 00:23:49.140 --> 00:23:52.500 And in there are some stories, and this is a really great example 447 00:23:52.500 --> 00:23:56.220 of it, where the doctor's intelligence is really focussed on 448 00:23:56.220 --> 00:23:58.740 people, and he gets to be smart about people. 449 00:23:58.920 --> 00:24:04.559 Um, so he, um, you know, he doesn't understand all the social 450 00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:05.400 cues. 451 00:24:05.460 --> 00:24:10.079 He doesn't understand how a football game works, even though he's 452 00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:15.420 inexplicably very talented at it, but he does notice that Craig is 453 00:24:15.420 --> 00:24:16.140 fondling the keys. 454 00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:23.700 And he has, he notices and he notices, you know, when, uh, you 455 00:24:23.700 --> 00:24:27.059 know, he's gone up and down the stairs in a towel, which I'm sure 456 00:24:27.059 --> 00:24:28.319 we'll talk a bit more about later. 457 00:24:28.380 --> 00:24:33.420 But, um, he, he says to Sophie, you know, you've got 2 set, he 458 00:24:33.420 --> 00:24:34.740 sets of keys to this house. 459 00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:36.059 You must like it here too. 460 00:24:36.119 --> 00:24:40.140 And he also later then says, like, you know, it's a big world. 461 00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:42.539 So if you work out what's really keeping you here. 462 00:24:42.599 --> 00:24:43.440 Yeah. 463 00:24:43.440 --> 00:24:46.740 And it's one of the delightful things in this story where you get 464 00:24:46.740 --> 00:24:51.059 the doctor in the kind of, he's still kind of in his usual 465 00:24:51.059 --> 00:24:55.859 headspace of being in puzzle solving mode, but it's in a sitcom 466 00:24:55.859 --> 00:25:00.000 way, his puzzle solving is directed on the people in the room. 467 00:25:00.059 --> 00:25:03.720 And instead of it being like some kind of murder mystery or 468 00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:07.200 something like that, it's just their social awkwardness, which is 469 00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:11.579 why when, you know, he's like making the omelet and Craig's has 470 00:25:11.579 --> 00:25:13.559 that wonderful line. like, I don't know why I'm telling you all 471 00:25:13.559 --> 00:25:13.740 this. 472 00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:15.420 It's like, oh, I've just got one of those faces. 473 00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:17.160 People just start blurting up their plans to me. 474 00:25:29.579 --> 00:25:36.240 Something I was struck by this time about the sort of cosiness of 475 00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:40.079 the flat because the 1st time I'd seen this, I'd never seen spaced 476 00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:42.839 with Simon Pegg and Jessica Hines. 477 00:25:42.900 --> 00:25:44.160 Oh, yeah. 478 00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:46.140 And watching it now. 479 00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:48.900 Down to the colour scheme. 480 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:51.960 It's very much like Tim and Daisy's flat. 481 00:25:52.019 --> 00:25:56.400 And now the thing is, with sort of space, Tim and Daisy are 482 00:25:56.400 --> 00:25:59.640 pretending to be a couple and there is a sort of will they won't 483 00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:03.900 they thing, but the whole point about it is, no, they're not going 484 00:26:03.900 --> 00:26:07.380 to because they've actually got something better. than the 485 00:26:07.380 --> 00:26:08.700 romances they've had before. 486 00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:16.559 And here, Craig and Daisy are afraid of pursuing something better 487 00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:18.539 in case it destroys what's there. 488 00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:19.140 Yeah. 489 00:26:19.140 --> 00:26:24.240 Which, you know, is incredibly sweet and incredibly relatable, but 490 00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:27.240 it's one of those things where if you see your friends going 491 00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:30.779 through that, you sort of go, just say it, just say something. 492 00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:32.700 But when you go, you're going through it yourself. 493 00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:34.259 You think, no, I can't possibly. 494 00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:36.839 I can't possibly say, I can't, I can't, I can't. 495 00:26:37.500 --> 00:26:40.319 It's um, oh, what's the word? 496 00:26:40.380 --> 00:26:41.640 It's dramatic irony. 497 00:26:41.700 --> 00:26:45.839 It's the dramatic irony of the situation in that the audience 498 00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:50.819 knows because this is a television show for a family audience that 499 00:26:50.819 --> 00:26:53.759 usually has happy endings that things will be fine. 500 00:26:53.819 --> 00:26:54.599 Yeah. 501 00:26:54.660 --> 00:26:58.319 But at the same time, they know if they were in that situation 502 00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:00.960 they wouldn't be thinking that things would be fine. 503 00:27:01.019 --> 00:27:04.140 And, you know, you don't you don't get the meat cute in real life 504 00:27:04.140 --> 00:27:05.220 kind of thing. 505 00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:10.259 Yeah, I remember, I think it's a quote from John Cleese, and he 506 00:27:10.259 --> 00:27:15.180 was talking about, I think comedy, comedy in general, but farce in 507 00:27:15.180 --> 00:27:19.920 particular, where he said, all of this looks really funny to us 508 00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:22.799 but for the people inside of farce. 509 00:27:22.859 --> 00:27:24.900 It's the worst day of their lives. 510 00:27:26.339 --> 00:27:32.220 And similarly on a slightly less extreme sort of measure. in a 511 00:27:32.220 --> 00:27:33.839 kind of more rom-comy kind of way. 512 00:27:33.900 --> 00:27:37.019 It's not it's not quite the worst day of their lives, but it's the 513 00:27:37.019 --> 00:27:39.000 it's one of the more awkward days of their lives. 514 00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:39.900 Yeah. 515 00:27:39.900 --> 00:27:40.500 Yeah. 516 00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:41.220 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 517 00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:46.380 Well, you know, I think that scene in the call centre, after, you 518 00:27:46.380 --> 00:27:51.779 know, Craig's gone and touched the rot and the thing, I absolutely 519 00:27:51.779 --> 00:27:54.900 love the scene with the doctor bringing in the breakfast and 520 00:27:54.900 --> 00:27:58.259 reviving Craig and feeding him tea and he's like, you're 521 00:27:58.259 --> 00:27:58.619 important. 522 00:27:58.680 --> 00:27:59.460 So adorable. 523 00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:00.240 Yeah. 524 00:28:00.299 --> 00:28:02.279 The Charles and Diana wedding teapot. 525 00:28:02.339 --> 00:28:03.660 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 526 00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:07.079 Which, according to the script, was already in there when Craig 527 00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:07.619 moved in. 528 00:28:07.740 --> 00:28:10.980 So it's not that Craig collects commemorative teapots. 529 00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:11.940 It's that it got left behind. 530 00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:15.299 I want to believe that he collects commemorative teapots. 531 00:28:16.259 --> 00:28:22.079 But, you know, I think I think that then for Craig becomes that 532 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:26.400 John Cleese's worst day of his life because the doctor has gone 533 00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:26.880 in. 534 00:28:26.940 --> 00:28:30.839 He's found his sort of manifest over how to run the company better 535 00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:34.079 and presented it and now he's getting rid of all Craig's clients 536 00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:35.700 because he doesn't need them anymore. 537 00:28:35.819 --> 00:28:42.240 I'm going to go back to that word relatable again because, uh, I've 538 00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:43.319 worked in a cool sensor. 539 00:28:43.380 --> 00:28:46.380 I have been that person and so the bit where the doctor basically 540 00:28:46.380 --> 00:28:49.319 says, go away and hangs out the phone. 541 00:28:49.380 --> 00:28:51.119 I was cheering in that moment. 542 00:28:51.180 --> 00:28:52.559 I have been that person. 543 00:28:53.220 --> 00:28:54.779 Oh yeah. 544 00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:56.220 Rude Mr. Lang. 545 00:28:58.380 --> 00:29:00.839 Please hold, I need to eat a biscuit. 546 00:29:00.900 --> 00:29:02.759 Oh, I love that so much. 547 00:29:04.380 --> 00:29:10.140 Also, can I just, can I just quickly say, I absolutely adore the 548 00:29:10.140 --> 00:29:14.579 fact that Craig's boss has been like, oh, yes, it is, is the 549 00:29:14.579 --> 00:29:14.880 doctor? 550 00:29:14.940 --> 00:29:15.779 isn't he marvellous? 551 00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:19.319 He went to the planning meeting and there's no explanation 552 00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:23.519 provided as to how the doctor just sorted on in and went into, what 553 00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:25.980 did he call it, like a platinum level meeting or something? 554 00:29:25.980 --> 00:29:31.319 It's not addressed how he did it, but you don't need to know. 555 00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:36.299 Um, and it's just so funny, especially when you see him sitting at 556 00:29:36.299 --> 00:29:36.779 his desk. 557 00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:40.680 I love when he's like blowing a raspberry down the telephone and 558 00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:43.680 the CEO is just doing like that little, it's just doing that 559 00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:44.759 thumbs up at him. 560 00:29:45.660 --> 00:29:49.140 Him smiling in the background is just marvellous. 561 00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:49.920 It's so great. 562 00:29:49.980 --> 00:29:53.640 Even when he does that, you have to go on hold now, I'm eating a 563 00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:54.000 biscuit. 564 00:29:54.059 --> 00:29:57.480 The boss is still absolutely delighted with his performance. 565 00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:03.299 Yes, if only we could all have that when we... 566 00:30:03.299 --> 00:30:08.759 The funniest bit for me was like the mad, violent farce of the 567 00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:12.240 doctor headbutting Craig in order to do like the contact moment 568 00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:14.519 and deliver all that information to him. 569 00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:17.039 And it wasn't even funny because of this episode. 570 00:30:17.099 --> 00:30:20.880 I had flashbacks of like the 5 doctors and stories like that. 571 00:30:20.940 --> 00:30:23.339 And I was thinking imagine if that was how they did it. 572 00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:26.819 And you had all of the doctors smacking each other in their head. 573 00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:32.220 Oh, that's that was a moment for me where I was like, oh, they 574 00:30:32.220 --> 00:30:35.579 must be so happy with that joke because they're literally making 575 00:30:35.579 --> 00:30:37.440 contact by headbutting. 576 00:30:37.500 --> 00:30:39.180 Yeah, it's so funny. 577 00:30:40.380 --> 00:30:45.000 I do remember Gallifrey bass back in the day with that moment to 578 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:48.420 add, and a big thread about, won't someone think of the children 579 00:30:48.420 --> 00:30:52.140 who are now going to headbutt each other based on this episode? 580 00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:57.539 Looking back on it, the doctor and Craig make it very clear that 581 00:30:57.539 --> 00:31:01.920 this is an incredibly painful experience and my God, no one would 582 00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:02.819 ever want to do this. 583 00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:06.720 So I think they did think about that in terms of responsibility 584 00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:09.000 and went, this is a very bad idea. 585 00:31:09.059 --> 00:31:10.440 Don't do this at home, kids. 586 00:31:10.500 --> 00:31:11.640 Yeah. 587 00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:15.299 It plays out in that sort of mad, violent way, like an episode at 588 00:31:15.299 --> 00:31:16.440 bottom does, you know? 589 00:31:16.500 --> 00:31:18.779 And it is, it is really, really funny. 590 00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:19.319 Yeah, yes. 591 00:31:19.380 --> 00:31:23.579 So I think there are a lot of things like that contact has been 592 00:31:23.579 --> 00:31:26.039 made thing that Gareth references. 593 00:31:26.460 --> 00:31:30.599 You remember the time flow analogue in the time monster? 594 00:31:30.660 --> 00:31:34.680 Yeah, and when he creates that. 595 00:31:34.740 --> 00:31:38.400 When Pertwee creates that, Ruth says that it's a sort of terrible 596 00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:39.660 bit of modern art. 597 00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:43.259 And then we get the same thing here where the doctor creates that 598 00:31:43.259 --> 00:31:47.519 sensor thing out of, you know, traffic cones and an umbrella and a 599 00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:48.660 digital clock or whatever. 600 00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:50.640 And, you know, the next scene he's in the bar. 601 00:31:50.700 --> 00:31:53.460 I thought that was ridiculous enough in the Time Monster, you know 602 00:31:53.460 --> 00:31:55.559 with a little cup of tea, you get on the top spinning around. 603 00:31:55.619 --> 00:31:58.200 Yeah, but this was something else. 604 00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:02.819 But I mean, the thing is that that was famously ridiculous in the 605 00:32:02.819 --> 00:32:06.299 time monster, and there's no way that Gareth Roberts didn't love 606 00:32:06.299 --> 00:32:10.079 that bit of the time monster, which is why he deliberately 607 00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:10.980 references it. 608 00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:16.200 And I think the doctor singing, um, La Donne Mobile, but like as 609 00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:20.099 Tara, Boomdie, or whatever in the shower, has got to be a 610 00:32:20.099 --> 00:32:24.000 reference to him sort of driving into the Inferno project or 611 00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:24.240 whatever. 612 00:32:24.299 --> 00:32:27.299 And you know, who's the only other doctor we've seen in the shower 613 00:32:27.299 --> 00:32:29.039 John Pertley. 614 00:32:29.099 --> 00:32:29.700 That's right. 615 00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:30.240 That's right. 616 00:32:30.299 --> 00:32:33.839 So the whole thing is sort of chock full of things that we love 617 00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:39.119 from earlier episodes of Doctor Who, in classic series, stuff 618 00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:43.380 particularly, just done really confidently and really well, and in 619 00:32:43.380 --> 00:32:46.319 the service of a story that's sort of genuinely funny, I think. 620 00:32:46.380 --> 00:32:50.099 Yeah, and you mentioned the uh, with the time monster that it's 621 00:32:50.099 --> 00:32:52.259 another character who points out that it looks like a terrible 622 00:32:52.259 --> 00:32:53.400 piece of botanard. 623 00:32:53.460 --> 00:32:56.099 Here that's even funnier because you have the doctor defending it 624 00:32:56.099 --> 00:32:57.960 as a terrible piece of modern art. 625 00:32:58.019 --> 00:32:59.460 That's right. 626 00:32:59.519 --> 00:32:59.940 That's right. 627 00:33:00.059 --> 00:33:01.680 Ooh, it isn't. 628 00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:02.460 It's pretty awful. 629 00:33:07.619 --> 00:33:12.180 In terms of the bathroom scene, I remember again, the internet. 630 00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:13.380 Oh, a little bit of a flutter. 631 00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:16.980 With Matt Smith, with Matt Smith's chest running out. 632 00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:18.660 I had a little bit of a flutter. 633 00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:21.359 He's briefly naked, isn't he? 634 00:33:21.420 --> 00:33:25.380 Because he drops the towel by mistake and has to scramble to pick 635 00:33:25.380 --> 00:33:25.740 it up. 636 00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:29.400 And then when he's speaking to Craig later, He covers his nipples 637 00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:30.539 with his hand. 638 00:33:30.539 --> 00:33:32.940 Like, that's a thing that we do. 639 00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:33.599 Yeah. 640 00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:40.500 It's very cute, but he's, he's skinny, but, you know, the curious 641 00:33:40.500 --> 00:33:45.660 thing is, he's there, he's there in the towel, and, and, um, Daisy 642 00:33:45.660 --> 00:33:49.740 comes in, and, like, he's, he's in a towel, half naked, and he 643 00:33:49.740 --> 00:33:52.619 goes up to her and does, like, the little air kisses, like 644 00:33:52.619 --> 00:33:55.559 completely, he doesn't care that he's... 645 00:33:55.619 --> 00:33:56.519 He's so good. 646 00:33:56.579 --> 00:33:59.279 I've got to say about Matt Smith in this episode because I'm not 647 00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:00.420 always kind about Matt Smith. 648 00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:04.079 This is a fantastic showcase for his doctor. 649 00:34:04.140 --> 00:34:07.559 I think I think this shows him at his absolute best, where he's 650 00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:11.519 dealing with people, where he's being funny and cute, where he's 651 00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:14.460 not juggling, like, you know, a 100 plot lines at once. 652 00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:17.880 It's all about Matt and Matt is gorgeous in this. 653 00:34:18.059 --> 00:34:21.420 I don't think another doctor could have done this. 654 00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:22.260 No. 655 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:25.559 Well, I'm funny you should say that because, you know, they kind 656 00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:29.639 of do the do this version of the story again in the caretaker and 657 00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:30.719 it's much less appealing. 658 00:34:30.780 --> 00:34:32.639 Oh yeah, no, that's much nastier. 659 00:34:32.699 --> 00:34:33.119 Yeah. 660 00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:37.619 And even with the original comic strip version of this, with David 661 00:34:37.619 --> 00:34:41.760 Tennant's doctor, it has it has a quite different ending because 662 00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:45.659 it doesn't have as big an alien threat because, you know, it's a 663 00:34:45.659 --> 00:34:46.860 one shot comic. 664 00:34:46.980 --> 00:34:51.360 And what's really remarkable about the ending is, you know, again 665 00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:54.420 during it, you've got the doctor's better at football than Mickey 666 00:34:54.420 --> 00:35:00.539 and then he beats the pub trivia quiz machine repeatedly. 667 00:35:00.539 --> 00:35:04.559 And then he reveals that all of his tinkering in Mickey's flat has 668 00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:08.639 been to disguise the earth from an alien invasion. 669 00:35:08.699 --> 00:35:11.099 So they just go by and he doesn't have to fight anyone. 670 00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:13.079 And he spoils a date. 671 00:35:13.139 --> 00:35:15.480 Mickey's trying to have with a girl called Gina. 672 00:35:15.539 --> 00:35:18.239 He's playing a video game with Mickey and he doesn't play properly 673 00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:19.920 by the rules and he wins anyway. 674 00:35:19.980 --> 00:35:23.219 And Mickey kind of says to him, maybe people don't want you 675 00:35:23.219 --> 00:35:24.900 impressing them all the time. 676 00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:27.840 Maybe they just want to live their lives even if they're not quite 677 00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:28.619 doing it right. 678 00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:32.940 And the lesson the doctor learns there is when the TARDIS does 679 00:35:32.940 --> 00:35:36.119 finally land and Rose isn't aware anything's been wrong. 680 00:35:36.179 --> 00:35:37.500 It's only been a few seconds for her. 681 00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:39.480 The doctor says, actually, I've got some repairs to do. 682 00:35:39.539 --> 00:35:41.820 Why don't you go up and see Mickey by yourself and the last panel 683 00:35:41.820 --> 00:35:42.960 is Mickey realising. 684 00:35:43.019 --> 00:35:46.679 Oh my god, he did actually listen to me and he understands. 685 00:35:46.739 --> 00:35:47.159 Right. 686 00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:49.980 And it's very sweet and I don't think you could have done it here 687 00:35:49.980 --> 00:35:53.880 just because, yes, Matt Smith's doctor isn't that kind of 688 00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:57.840 grandstanding look. you know, thwarted an alien invasion from your 689 00:35:57.840 --> 00:35:58.320 kitchen. 690 00:35:58.380 --> 00:36:02.039 He's actually that more gentle figure who's goading Sophie, but 691 00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:04.679 he's goading Sophie and saying, you can do this. 692 00:36:04.739 --> 00:36:08.219 Whereas I think tenants doctor, he kind of does the same thing 693 00:36:08.219 --> 00:36:11.699 with with Gina in the comic, but actually on television. 694 00:36:11.820 --> 00:36:14.820 If he if he said to her, yeah, you're probably only good for a 695 00:36:14.820 --> 00:36:16.139 call centre, he would have meant it. 696 00:36:17.219 --> 00:36:21.480 Matt Smith plays this whole episode with like an air of innocence 697 00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:21.900 doesn't he? 698 00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:24.480 And like the sweetest smile on his face all the time. 699 00:36:24.539 --> 00:36:28.199 If David Tennant had been in this, I think it would have been a 700 00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:30.780 bit nastier, a bit more uncomfortable to watch. 701 00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:33.900 He had, he had like sort of more of an acidic edge to him, didn't 702 00:36:33.900 --> 00:36:34.079 he? 703 00:36:34.139 --> 00:36:35.400 Whereas with Matt Smith. 704 00:36:35.460 --> 00:36:38.400 I don't know, I just don't get any sense of callousness, even if 705 00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:39.360 he knows what he's doing. 706 00:36:39.420 --> 00:36:40.559 It's all in how he plays it. 707 00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:45.360 I think sometimes there's an unpleasant edge to Matt Smith's 708 00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:45.780 doctor. 709 00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:46.739 Oh for sure. 710 00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:51.900 But there is something very sweet about the way he seems to be 711 00:36:51.900 --> 00:36:54.119 enjoying himself and underplaying it. 712 00:36:54.179 --> 00:36:58.800 And there's something disarming about his lack of competence and 713 00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:01.679 his lack of knowledge about human relationships, which David 714 00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:03.599 Tennant's doctor doesn't have. 715 00:37:03.659 --> 00:37:08.699 You know, David Tennant is very confident. and full of ego. 716 00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:12.480 And so he just wouldn't have been a good fit for this. 717 00:37:12.539 --> 00:37:16.619 And Capaldi, who does share Smith's awkwardness, has that nasty 718 00:37:16.619 --> 00:37:17.099 edge. 719 00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:19.079 So he wouldn't have fitted here at all. 720 00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:23.880 The only person, I think, who could remotely do it. would be Jody 721 00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:24.119 I think. 722 00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:26.699 I mean, could you imagine? 723 00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:29.039 Could you imagine Capaldius, the 3rd wheel here? 724 00:37:29.099 --> 00:37:30.900 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 725 00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:31.260 No. 726 00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:32.760 Have you kissed yet? 727 00:37:32.940 --> 00:37:35.400 Human humans do the kissing thing. 728 00:37:35.460 --> 00:37:36.000 I don't. 729 00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:43.199 David Tenner would have just gnashed his teeth and gone, get on 730 00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:43.559 with it. 731 00:37:44.820 --> 00:37:47.099 I kissed a girl well. 732 00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:48.179 Well, I say a girl. 733 00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:51.659 More of a trampoline in my in my in my friend's body. 734 00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:53.099 Well, she wasn't always a trampoline. 735 00:37:53.159 --> 00:37:54.420 Sorry, where was I? 736 00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:03.239 But I made a point of reading the original comic as well before 737 00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:04.860 coming on. 738 00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:09.420 And although a lot of the jokes in the comic, uh, do transfer over 739 00:38:09.420 --> 00:38:14.880 uh, into the into the episode, um, the type of joke that it is 740 00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:18.659 just changes quite rapidly because it is because Tenet is very 741 00:38:18.659 --> 00:38:21.719 cool, very confident and much more aware. 742 00:38:21.780 --> 00:38:27.119 So it does feel, it's still quite earnest and sweet, but it is, you 743 00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:31.380 know, the doctor impressing people and kind of upstaging Mickey 744 00:38:31.380 --> 00:38:33.059 which we've seen several dozen times. 745 00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:37.559 Um, and there is a slight undercurrent and unintended mean 746 00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:40.860 spiritness in the comic, whereas here the doctor just has no 747 00:38:40.860 --> 00:38:41.460 idea. 748 00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:45.780 Um, and the joke is that the doctor doesn't even know how good he 749 00:38:45.780 --> 00:38:47.280 is at most of these things. 750 00:38:47.340 --> 00:38:54.000 Um, so there's not even a remote sense of malice to any of it or 751 00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:55.980 even a sense, a desire to impress. 752 00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:59.519 He just genuinely wants to be like, um, you know, a good friend, a 753 00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:02.039 good, a good lodger, a good housemate and be helpful and 754 00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:02.639 friendly. 755 00:39:02.699 --> 00:39:03.840 Yeah, yeah. 756 00:39:03.900 --> 00:39:07.559 I think he's also a little bit trying to prove to Amy that he can 757 00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:09.179 be a normal bloke for 3 days. 758 00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:09.960 Yeah. 759 00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:10.619 Yeah. 760 00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:16.139 We haven't talked much about Amy, but yes, the whole point of this 761 00:39:16.139 --> 00:39:19.980 episode was if they had to follow the traditional structure of a 762 00:39:19.980 --> 00:39:23.219 Dr. Light and companion light episode, they could do that. 763 00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:26.400 But for some reason in this schedule, they didn't need a Dr. Light 764 00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:27.179 episode this year. 765 00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:29.340 So they came to the conclusion. 766 00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:31.920 Actually, we can have a bit more Amy in the early drafts. 767 00:39:31.980 --> 00:39:34.380 She had one scene at the beginning and one scene at the end. 768 00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:38.039 But the reason we keep coming back to her is they're like, okay 769 00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:40.079 well, we've already structured it, but she's not going to be here 770 00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:41.699 but let's give Karen more to do. 771 00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:42.300 Right. 772 00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:45.659 Including, including sort of piloting the TARDS. 773 00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:46.920 Yeah. 774 00:39:46.980 --> 00:39:53.219 And wasn't this episode originally a backup script, um, in 775 00:39:53.219 --> 00:39:53.760 production? 776 00:39:54.179 --> 00:39:56.039 Yes, that's right. 777 00:39:56.099 --> 00:39:59.280 So Stephen Moffat said to the writer, oh, look, why don't you 778 00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:00.059 adapt the lodger? 779 00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:03.059 And then like 6 months later, when it came time to do that, Moffatt 780 00:40:03.059 --> 00:40:04.380 had completely forgotten he said that. 781 00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:09.420 So there was another plot developed, which, you know, has never 782 00:40:09.420 --> 00:40:11.579 really come to light what the details were. 783 00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:14.699 And then it was decided, oh, no, we've got to. 784 00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:16.199 Yeah, that that's not quite working. 785 00:40:16.260 --> 00:40:17.579 Let's start developing the lodger. 786 00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:21.539 And then the lodger actually replaced a script called Bigger on 787 00:40:21.539 --> 00:40:23.519 the inside by Neil Gaiman. 788 00:40:23.579 --> 00:40:27.300 Oh, because it was decided they didn't have the budget to make 789 00:40:27.300 --> 00:40:30.119 that at that stage in the production and that became the doctor's 790 00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:30.539 wife. 791 00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:31.619 Yeah. 792 00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:37.679 And I, um, think it's incredibly telling that, you know, because 793 00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:39.960 you know, you've got Stephen Moffatt in his 1st year as the 794 00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:44.579 showrunner and, um, you know, he's at this point, he's kind of the 795 00:40:44.579 --> 00:40:48.239 scary writer in Doctor Who, but his background is in sitcom comedy 796 00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:48.900 writing. 797 00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:52.739 And I do think it's quite telling that when, you know, a script 798 00:40:52.739 --> 00:40:55.320 falls through and he needs to reach for something else. 799 00:40:55.380 --> 00:40:58.559 He does reach for a sitcom comedy script, essentially. 800 00:40:58.619 --> 00:41:00.360 And that's the one he fills it with. 801 00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:03.059 And you've already got Richard Curtis in this series as well. 802 00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:06.900 So there's a very much Moffat leaning on his comedy chops when he 803 00:41:06.900 --> 00:41:07.199 has to. 804 00:41:19.739 --> 00:41:23.760 So, we haven't actually talked about the actual science fiction 805 00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:24.960 element. in this story. 806 00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:27.179 There's a reason for that. 807 00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:30.960 It's not very good. 808 00:41:31.019 --> 00:41:33.360 It's incredibly thin, isn't it? 809 00:41:33.420 --> 00:41:35.099 Like unbelievably thin. 810 00:41:36.179 --> 00:41:40.500 Much like one of the ears of the doctor's character reference. 811 00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:41.639 It's purely ornamental. 812 00:41:41.699 --> 00:41:42.900 I don't know. 813 00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:44.460 I quite like the execution. 814 00:41:44.699 --> 00:41:50.579 The execution of some of the scenes of the passer-bys coming past 815 00:41:50.579 --> 00:41:53.579 and sort of the shadowy figure at the top of the stairs. 816 00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:58.500 I was getting like echos of psycho of like this scary kind of 817 00:41:58.500 --> 00:42:00.119 shadowy figure at the top of the stairs. 818 00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:01.619 I did like the execution. 819 00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:05.280 It just, I don't know, it kind of rubbed up with what was 820 00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:08.519 happening elsewhere in the episode a bit awkwardly. 821 00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:11.460 Because it's so dark, you think? 822 00:42:11.820 --> 00:42:16.019 Uh, no, not because it was dark, just because, like, tonally it 823 00:42:16.019 --> 00:42:19.260 was very different and sort of we weren't getting any more 824 00:42:19.260 --> 00:42:22.139 information about that plot as the episode progressed. 825 00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:23.880 So really, it's not until the end. 826 00:42:23.940 --> 00:42:26.340 And even at the end, we don't really find out what it's all 827 00:42:26.340 --> 00:42:26.519 about. 828 00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:31.980 Like it's a it's a spaceship on top of the house, but it's 829 00:42:31.980 --> 00:42:33.360 answered, it's answered later, isn't it? 830 00:42:33.420 --> 00:42:34.619 In C series 6. 831 00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:39.539 Yeah, so we will get it picked up again in the series opener and 832 00:42:39.539 --> 00:42:43.199 we will be numb the wiser, in fact, after that. 833 00:42:43.980 --> 00:42:47.340 Yeah, the doctor just says very Aikman Road, doesn't he? 834 00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:49.019 And that's all that's really said about it. 835 00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:51.420 Yeah, yeah, they use the same design. 836 00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:53.519 I actually don't care. 837 00:42:53.579 --> 00:42:59.460 Um, and I think that anything that was more complex or interesting 838 00:42:59.460 --> 00:43:03.239 would take Vanderbilt's screen time away from Craig and Sophie. 839 00:43:03.300 --> 00:43:05.940 So I do want it to be as thin as possible. 840 00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:09.119 And so there are only 3 people who get lured upstairs. 841 00:43:09.179 --> 00:43:10.860 Things play out the same way. 842 00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:14.099 We discover there have been 17 people in total later. 843 00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:19.320 But we only see 3 of them, including that sort of tragic walk of 844 00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:23.579 shame woman who is coming home from the nightclub after having a 845 00:43:23.579 --> 00:43:27.840 fight with her boyfriend or something, which is super relatable. 846 00:43:27.900 --> 00:43:28.860 Well, yeah, that's right. 847 00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:31.139 But it's also, it's actually quite upsetting because she's the 1st 848 00:43:31.139 --> 00:43:34.380 person whom we see screaming and distressed and we get just get a 849 00:43:34.380 --> 00:43:35.460 little shot of that. 850 00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:39.000 And then there's the mousey woman who comes along later and we see 851 00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:39.900 that from her as well. 852 00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:44.280 Yeah, there was, there was intended to be one other person seen. 853 00:43:44.340 --> 00:43:48.780 Um, uh, and that was a young man with a holiday brochure. 854 00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:52.619 And that would have helped the doctor make the leap of logic as to 855 00:43:52.619 --> 00:43:53.940 what the thing wanted. 856 00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:55.079 Yeah, yeah. 857 00:43:55.139 --> 00:43:58.619 But instead, you know, he sort of has, he has to do it himself in 858 00:43:58.619 --> 00:43:58.920 a way. 859 00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:04.320 Yeah, and in fact, the what the science fiction thing has to do is 860 00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:08.940 it has to be at the service of the rom-com plot. 861 00:44:08.940 --> 00:44:17.639 And so it is a spaceship with a Voyager style emergency crash 862 00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:18.480 hologram. 863 00:44:18.539 --> 00:44:19.079 Yeah. 864 00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:20.519 And the, yeah. 865 00:44:20.579 --> 00:44:24.300 And Matt Smith even says, I'm Troy Hanson of International Rescue 866 00:44:24.300 --> 00:44:25.800 please state the nature of your emergency. 867 00:44:25.860 --> 00:44:26.340 Yeah, yeah. 868 00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:30.599 He's openly admitting to stealing it from Voyager. 869 00:44:30.659 --> 00:44:31.500 Yeah, yeah. 870 00:44:31.500 --> 00:44:35.519 And and it just wants someone who wants to go. 871 00:44:35.579 --> 00:44:36.539 Yes. 872 00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:36.840 Yeah. 873 00:44:36.900 --> 00:44:37.260 Yeah. 874 00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:40.559 Which I actually think is is actually a really smart little bit of 875 00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:43.980 character plotting that it draws people in who want to leave 876 00:44:43.980 --> 00:44:49.619 because it ties in with the kind of character work that's been the 877 00:44:49.619 --> 00:44:51.239 actual subject of the episode. 878 00:44:51.300 --> 00:44:55.860 I think it's quite neat that you don't get this random conclusion 879 00:44:55.860 --> 00:44:58.980 that happened, this complicated sci-fi thing that has nothing to 880 00:44:58.980 --> 00:45:03.539 do with the kind of the rest of the episode, but um, the threat is 881 00:45:03.539 --> 00:45:08.219 based around drawing in people who want to leave and reminding the 882 00:45:08.219 --> 00:45:11.159 2 characters why they want to stay and it's because they love each 883 00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:11.400 other. 884 00:45:11.460 --> 00:45:15.539 So I think the sci-fi elements tie in quite nicely with what the 885 00:45:15.539 --> 00:45:16.679 rest of the episode's been about. 886 00:45:17.280 --> 00:45:21.059 Well, I mean, the whole thing is resolved by Craig and Sophie 887 00:45:21.059 --> 00:45:21.599 Kissing. 888 00:45:21.659 --> 00:45:24.119 I mean, it's just brilliant, you know, like it couldn't possibly 889 00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:24.599 be better. 890 00:45:24.659 --> 00:45:27.239 What more satisfying conclusion can we have? 891 00:45:27.300 --> 00:45:28.800 Kiss the girl. 892 00:45:28.860 --> 00:45:30.360 It's so great. 893 00:45:30.420 --> 00:45:33.300 I mean, no one's flicking the switches or rewiring. 894 00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:37.260 It is a lovely moment, and it's a lovely moment here, and it's one 895 00:45:37.260 --> 00:45:40.380 of those love conquers all, and this is like the 1st time it's 896 00:45:40.380 --> 00:45:40.679 happened. 897 00:45:40.739 --> 00:45:41.880 So it is very cute. 898 00:45:42.300 --> 00:45:46.619 This would happen quite a lot in the future where it starts to get 899 00:45:46.619 --> 00:45:47.400 a little try. 900 00:45:47.460 --> 00:45:49.679 But as like the payoff for this episode. 901 00:45:49.739 --> 00:45:52.559 I think as a one time sort of love conquers all ending. 902 00:45:52.619 --> 00:45:54.059 It's marvellous. 903 00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:55.559 Mm. 904 00:45:55.559 --> 00:45:56.219 Mm. 905 00:45:56.280 --> 00:45:59.760 Yeah, no, but I mean, they kind of sell it because it's not quite 906 00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:01.320 love conquers all, is it? 907 00:46:01.380 --> 00:46:04.260 It's kind of like inertia conquers all. 908 00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:06.840 You know, like, I'm going to stay here. 909 00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:12.360 I'm not going to go and look after orangutans. 910 00:46:12.420 --> 00:46:15.539 So it has no power over me. 911 00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:20.219 And I actually think that that's kind of neat. 912 00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:23.400 It does lead to the, to the, that final scene, which has lots of 913 00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:26.820 like gooey squilchy kissing, the worst kind of kissing. 914 00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:29.460 It's nasty to listen to. 915 00:46:31.619 --> 00:46:34.139 But I'm glad they got there. 916 00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:35.760 I'm glad they admitted how they feel. 917 00:46:35.820 --> 00:46:36.300 Yeah. 918 00:46:36.300 --> 00:46:38.940 I had to turn the volume down during the kissing. 919 00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:39.840 It made me uncomfortable. 920 00:46:39.900 --> 00:46:41.039 It was revolting. 921 00:46:42.179 --> 00:46:46.260 And the thing is, if you watch the Doctor Who Confidential for one 922 00:46:46.260 --> 00:46:49.440 of the Silurian episodes, I think it's cold blood, it's all about 923 00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:52.619 the Foley artist and how she achieves the sounds. 924 00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:57.119 So she, those sounds that, I highly doubt that's James Corden 925 00:46:57.119 --> 00:46:59.099 and... 926 00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:03.360 That's this poor woman, like, I don't know, sticking a handful 927 00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:07.320 sticking a hand into a glove full of dishwashing liquid. 928 00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:10.440 Give that woman a raise. 929 00:47:10.500 --> 00:47:11.400 Oh my god. 930 00:47:11.460 --> 00:47:14.159 I'm going to be thinking about that anytime I see an offscreen 931 00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:15.179 stage kiss now. 932 00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:17.159 You're welcome. 933 00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:27.539 We should talk about Megloss. 934 00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:27.960 Yes. 935 00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:29.340 I think we should. 936 00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:31.500 Why should we talk about Megloss, Brendan? 937 00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:37.860 So this script was initially commissioned under the title Megloss 938 00:47:37.860 --> 00:47:38.159 2. 939 00:47:41.099 --> 00:47:46.739 And then colloquially referred to in the office as Mrs. Megloss 940 00:47:46.739 --> 00:47:51.780 because the Avatar was going to be a little old lady who lived 941 00:47:51.780 --> 00:47:54.900 above Craig, and that's how she was eliciting sympathy, because 942 00:47:54.900 --> 00:47:56.519 she's a little old lady who needs help. 943 00:47:56.940 --> 00:48:01.860 And the writer did publish an extract of the scripted issue of 944 00:48:01.860 --> 00:48:04.440 Doctor Who magazine because he said, I want to make this clear. 945 00:48:04.500 --> 00:48:05.280 People think I was joking. 946 00:48:05.340 --> 00:48:05.940 No here it is. 947 00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:06.780 Yeah. 948 00:48:06.780 --> 00:48:11.039 So was Megalos supposed to be the villain in the spaceship? 949 00:48:11.099 --> 00:48:15.059 Yeah, yeah, because the idea was, okay, we've got time distortion 950 00:48:15.059 --> 00:48:20.280 and Meglos had chronic hysteresis sees, and we've got something 951 00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:21.659 which can adopt form. 952 00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:24.539 So it was changed into a hologram, but it's like Megloss can adopt 953 00:48:24.539 --> 00:48:26.940 people's forms and it's looking for a new host. 954 00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:30.840 But it then figures out, Megloss then figures out the doctor's 955 00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:35.280 there and decides, oh, you know, I can get revenge on the doctor 956 00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:37.860 and the extract published in Doctor Who magazine. 957 00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:39.119 Does anyone else know about this? 958 00:48:39.179 --> 00:48:40.739 Oh, I've read it. 959 00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:41.340 It's so good. 960 00:48:41.699 --> 00:48:47.219 Yeah, it's, it's like, um, it is I, Dr. Meglos, the last 961 00:48:47.219 --> 00:48:48.179 Zolfathoran. 962 00:48:48.300 --> 00:48:49.559 And the doctor says, I'm sorry, who? 963 00:48:49.860 --> 00:48:53.940 The doctor just doesn't remember who Megloss is at all. 964 00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:55.739 And no one watched Megloss. 965 00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:56.579 And no one watch me. 966 00:48:56.639 --> 00:48:57.780 That's probably why. 967 00:48:57.840 --> 00:48:59.760 I've covered Meglosson say something nice. 968 00:48:59.820 --> 00:49:01.139 So obviously no one watched it. 969 00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:02.699 Wouldn't you? 970 00:49:02.699 --> 00:49:05.699 Wouldn't you just kill to see how they would have realised Megloss 971 00:49:05.699 --> 00:49:07.920 in 2000 whenever this was. 972 00:49:07.980 --> 00:49:09.960 Like a CGI Megloss. 973 00:49:10.019 --> 00:49:11.039 I'm there for that. 974 00:49:11.099 --> 00:49:12.480 Yeah, yeah. 975 00:49:12.539 --> 00:49:16.860 Part of the reason they didn't do it was the end of time had the 976 00:49:16.860 --> 00:49:17.639 Vinvocce. 977 00:49:17.699 --> 00:49:18.900 Ah. 978 00:49:19.380 --> 00:49:19.980 Oh, really? 979 00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:22.800 Yeah, that was part of the reason that scuppered it. 980 00:49:22.860 --> 00:49:25.619 And you know, they were already like, we're bringing back this one 981 00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:28.679 time villain from a not particularly well-regarded 1980 Doctor Who 982 00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:32.460 story, and that just was the final nail in the coffin. 983 00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:37.199 Well, I mean, they brought back Alpha Centuri in that Mark Gator 984 00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:37.559 story. 985 00:49:37.619 --> 00:49:39.239 So that's why they're above doing that. 986 00:49:40.500 --> 00:49:45.599 I frankly find it utterly hysterical that between in the 987 00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:51.599 transition between the specials and series 5, that Russell T. Davis 988 00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:54.719 wasn't able to bring back the Daleks in the end of time, because 989 00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:58.440 they were appearing in series 5, and Stephen Muffet wasn't able to 990 00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:01.500 bring back Megloss because of the Vinvacci in the specials. 991 00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:05.880 Wow, who do you think was inconvenienced worse? 992 00:50:07.380 --> 00:50:10.139 Oh, Stephen Moffatt, for sure. 993 00:50:10.860 --> 00:50:17.460 I have to say that I'm glad that Meg Loss isn't in it because I 994 00:50:17.460 --> 00:50:22.800 think that it needs to be absolutely as thin as possible and not 995 00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:27.360 distract us from the main game of this episode, which is Craig and 996 00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:27.900 Sophie. 997 00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:32.820 And so it's super rudimentary and I'm absolutely there for that. 998 00:50:33.420 --> 00:50:38.579 In a way, in a way, using Meglos would have been like how briefly 999 00:50:38.579 --> 00:50:40.019 Olivia Coleman appears. 1000 00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:40.619 Yeah. 1001 00:50:40.619 --> 00:50:41.340 You know? 1002 00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:44.219 And actually, God damn it. 1003 00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:45.539 Chipnell, are you listening? 1004 00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:46.679 I know you are. 1005 00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:48.780 Series 13. 1006 00:50:49.139 --> 00:50:51.840 Olivia Coleman is Meglos. 1007 00:50:51.900 --> 00:50:53.039 Megloss. 1008 00:50:53.099 --> 00:50:53.760 Oh my god. 1009 00:50:53.820 --> 00:50:55.860 Academy Award winner. 1010 00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:57.000 Olivia Coleman. 1011 00:50:57.780 --> 00:51:00.119 He is a cactus. 1012 00:51:00.179 --> 00:51:01.920 The role she was born for. 1013 00:51:18.539 --> 00:51:24.059 So this episode ends with a scene that really has nothing very 1014 00:51:24.059 --> 00:51:27.780 much to do with the rest of the episode and seems to be kind of 1015 00:51:27.780 --> 00:51:31.500 leading into the finale, but I think it's worth mentioning. 1016 00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:36.960 And we need to remember, I think, that Rory died just 2 weeks ago 1017 00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:44.400 and then in the last episode, Vincent mentions to Amy that Rory's 1018 00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:44.699 gone. 1019 00:51:44.820 --> 00:51:48.599 So as the viewing audience, we haven't had the chance to forget 1020 00:51:48.599 --> 00:51:51.059 this, how do we think this plays? 1021 00:51:51.900 --> 00:51:56.280 So, yeah, Amy discovering the ring in the TARDIS, which obviously 1022 00:51:56.280 --> 00:52:00.840 sparks a memory about Rory and then kind of guides into the 1023 00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:01.380 finale. 1024 00:52:01.860 --> 00:52:06.239 First of all, I was immediately struck at kind of how well done 1025 00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:06.780 that was. 1026 00:52:06.900 --> 00:52:11.940 And I do think as we're heading into like this 2 part finale, you 1027 00:52:11.940 --> 00:52:13.500 do need a reminder. 1028 00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:17.940 But I do, I think it's like an unfortunate thing about modern 1029 00:52:17.940 --> 00:52:20.159 television in that it is so serialised. 1030 00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:25.079 That you can't really just watch a single episode and this on its 1031 00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:27.539 own is a nice fluffy standalone episode. 1032 00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:31.260 But if I gave this to somebody to watch, like, you know, one of my 1033 00:52:31.260 --> 00:52:33.960 friends who never watched Doctor Who before, well, they'd be like 1034 00:52:33.960 --> 00:52:34.860 well, what was that all about? 1035 00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:37.079 What the hell did that have to do with the episode at large? 1036 00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:39.960 So I see the purpose of it. 1037 00:52:40.019 --> 00:52:42.599 I just think like for rewatching a single episode. 1038 00:52:42.780 --> 00:52:44.699 It's kind of a shame. 1039 00:52:45.179 --> 00:52:50.219 I do think though, that because modern TV is so serialised, we 1040 00:52:50.219 --> 00:52:52.860 kind of expect that to some degree. 1041 00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:58.739 And certainly it's only a couple of minutes compared to the, like 1042 00:52:58.739 --> 00:53:04.320 next year, um, a similar thing happens because, um, the sequel to 1043 00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:07.320 this is in the same position in the season, isn't it? 1044 00:53:07.380 --> 00:53:13.500 And that's a much weirder and less comprehensible ending than what 1045 00:53:13.500 --> 00:53:13.980 we get here. 1046 00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:18.900 I think it's a terrifying cliffhanger because what we have is the 1047 00:53:18.900 --> 00:53:25.440 possibility that Amy is going to remember that her, you know, pre 1048 00:53:24.179 --> 00:53:28.500 wedding jitters have got her boyfriend killed. 1049 00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:34.739 So, in context, and it's hard to remember what it was like at the 1050 00:53:34.739 --> 00:53:35.039 time. 1051 00:53:35.099 --> 00:53:39.119 In context, this was actually a really kind of shocking 1052 00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:39.780 conclusion. 1053 00:53:40.260 --> 00:53:44.699 Yeah, I remember it being a, oh, no moment. 1054 00:53:44.820 --> 00:53:45.420 Yeah. 1055 00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:50.340 Helped along by the fact that Karen Gillan is so facially 1056 00:53:50.340 --> 00:53:50.940 expressive. 1057 00:53:51.659 --> 00:53:54.599 Yeah, yeah, very much that. 1058 00:53:54.659 --> 00:53:59.159 She does, um, do, like the way she looks at the ring in this kind 1059 00:53:59.159 --> 00:54:01.380 of puzzled fear is really striking. 1060 00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:06.780 And the way it's filmed as well, and just those tight close-ups of 1061 00:54:06.780 --> 00:54:11.219 her, and the music especially is really chilly, where you've got 1062 00:54:11.219 --> 00:54:16.679 that kind of do, do, do, opposite these kind of low cello kind of 1063 00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:18.000 sounds. 1064 00:54:18.059 --> 00:54:20.880 I find it really spooked me actually. 1065 00:54:20.940 --> 00:54:21.900 I found it very ominous. 1066 00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:23.219 So it was very good. 1067 00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:26.400 And they use they use that same music, don't they? 1068 00:54:26.400 --> 00:54:29.880 in Pandora are open as she's rediscovering at the end of that 1069 00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:31.980 episode, so he kind of linked in too. 1070 00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:36.420 It's, I just want to say for a 2nd the score in general for this 1071 00:54:36.420 --> 00:54:38.460 episode and for this entire season. 1072 00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:42.119 I think this is like peak Doctor Who music in the new series. 1073 00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:47.099 Yeah, I have said before, I think that Murray sometimes just kind 1074 00:54:47.099 --> 00:54:51.420 of recycles the same old cues and gets a little bit, perhaps a 1075 00:54:51.420 --> 00:54:56.219 little bit complacent in the RTD era at some point, but he's 1076 00:54:56.219 --> 00:54:58.980 certainly trying to impress his new boss this season, I think. 1077 00:54:59.460 --> 00:55:04.260 And it is one of those cliffhangers that I love, which isn't like 1078 00:55:04.260 --> 00:55:08.340 moment of jeopardy have been done to death in Doctor Who. 1079 00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:11.639 It's one of those cliffhangers, which is like conceptual. 1080 00:55:11.699 --> 00:55:13.619 It's an ideas, cliffhanger. 1081 00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:18.179 So it's less about, oh, someone's in danger and more about, oh 1082 00:55:18.179 --> 00:55:19.559 where's the story going now? 1083 00:55:19.619 --> 00:55:21.539 And I really like those. 1084 00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:24.239 I think as I get older, I like those a lot more than I like the 1085 00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:28.199 you know, like the human nature family of blood, choose between so 1086 00:55:27.480 --> 00:55:32.340 and-so and so-and-so, this sort of underplayed subtle cliffhanger 1087 00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:34.320 is a lot more effective. 1088 00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:02.099 Well, dear listener, that's all. 1089 00:56:02.099 --> 00:56:03.300 We have time for this week. 1090 00:56:03.420 --> 00:56:07.500 We'll be back next week for some hilarious sitcom Quippery as we 1091 00:56:07.500 --> 00:56:11.760 hang around Stonehenge waiting until the Pandorica opens. 1092 00:56:11.820 --> 00:56:15.420 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts 1093 00:56:15.420 --> 00:56:18.239 and you can keep up with us at flight through entirety on Facebook 1094 00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:21.300 at FDE podcast on Twitter, and on our website 1095 00:56:21.300 --> 00:56:24.300 flightthroughentirety.com, where you'll find links to our other 1096 00:56:24.300 --> 00:56:27.300 podcasts, Bondfinger and Jody into Terra. 1097 00:56:27.539 --> 00:56:30.420 Jack, where can people find you online? 1098 00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:36.360 Um, so you can find me on Twitter if you're so inclined for some 1099 00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:39.539 reason uh, at uh, Shaq Janahan. 1100 00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:41.519 It's an injoke. 1101 00:56:41.579 --> 00:56:42.960 It will make sense to somebody out there. 1102 00:56:43.019 --> 00:56:50.099 Um, but you can also find, um, if you enjoyed Joe and I politely 1103 00:56:50.099 --> 00:56:53.699 interrupting uh, Brendan and Nathan at various points. 1104 00:56:53.820 --> 00:56:58.800 You can tune into our own podcast, which is, um, the Naimon be 1105 00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:03.539 praised, uh, which Joe and I, um, spend essentially nattering at 1106 00:57:03.539 --> 00:57:06.300 each other relentlessly and try to make each other laugh and 1107 00:57:06.300 --> 00:57:07.619 disagree with each other. 1108 00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:11.519 You can find us, and we've been very lucky to have Nathan on at 1109 00:57:11.519 --> 00:57:15.719 some and we would love to have any of the rest of the FTE team on 1110 00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:16.739 at some point as well. 1111 00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:22.019 You can find us on Twitter at at Naimon Podcast. 1112 00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:25.980 Just type the 91B praise or on Facebook as well. 1113 00:57:26.579 --> 00:57:29.340 And Joe, where can people find you? 1114 00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:31.199 Uh, right. 1115 00:57:31.260 --> 00:57:34.739 Well, it feels slightly egotistical to do so, but I have a 2nd 1116 00:57:34.739 --> 00:57:39.239 podcast out there called A Hamster with a Blunt Penknife. 1117 00:57:39.300 --> 00:57:40.380 I hope you get the reference. 1118 00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:43.380 And that is Doctor Who Coventaries. 1119 00:57:43.440 --> 00:57:46.980 It's me and one guest, a different guest each time, watching 1120 00:57:46.980 --> 00:57:50.039 through a Doctor Who story, and bantering, basically. 1121 00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:57.239 On Twitter, I am at Doc Oho, DOC OHO, but you may have heard of my 1122 00:57:57.239 --> 00:57:58.920 blog.coho reviews. 1123 00:57:58.980 --> 00:58:00.179 That's the reference to that. 1124 00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:05.460 But it's on every available platform, anchor, Spotify, Google 1125 00:58:05.460 --> 00:58:06.360 Podcasts. 1126 00:58:06.360 --> 00:58:11.519 And I have already had one of the hosts from today, Nathan 1127 00:58:11.519 --> 00:58:16.800 Bottomey, records 3 stories already, one of which which is out 1128 00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:17.219 already. 1129 00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:21.179 That's aliens of London and World War 3 where he, for an hour and 1130 00:58:21.179 --> 00:58:23.579 a half managed to convince the world that that was the best story 1131 00:58:23.579 --> 00:58:24.659 ever. 1132 00:58:25.260 --> 00:58:30.960 And I am going to be having um, Brendan, uh, my host here today, uh 1133 00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:35.099 on very soon to, um, it's a defensive time flight, isn't it 1134 00:58:35.099 --> 00:58:35.460 Brendan? 1135 00:58:36.300 --> 00:58:38.099 Even Arab. 1136 00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:40.260 Yes. 1137 00:58:40.380 --> 00:58:42.480 Love time flight. 1138 00:58:42.539 --> 00:58:44.579 Well, love is strong. 1139 00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:47.280 I am comfortable with time fly. 1140 00:58:47.340 --> 00:58:48.119 Well, comfortable. 1141 00:58:48.179 --> 00:58:50.340 Um, it's gonna be fun. 1142 00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:52.440 It's going to be fun. 1143 00:58:53.099 --> 00:58:57.539 And I feel I should just mention before we go, that we, we, we 1144 00:58:57.539 --> 00:59:00.659 consider ourselves your marketing team now because we literally 1145 00:59:00.659 --> 00:59:03.239 mentioned this podcast on every episode. 1146 00:59:03.300 --> 00:59:04.739 So you're welcome. 1147 00:59:04.860 --> 00:59:07.860 Oh, well, thank that is very much appreciated, chaps. 1148 00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:08.219 Thank you. 1149 00:59:08.340 --> 00:59:12.719 Well, in that case, all that remains is for me to say, until next 1150 00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:16.920 time, may you look less like your couch than we look like ours. 1151 00:59:16.980 --> 00:59:19.739 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 1152 00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:21.900 I knew I shouldn't have worn this. 1153 00:59:21.960 --> 00:59:22.380 Good night. 1154 00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:23.639 Good night. 1155 00:59:23.699 --> 00:59:24.119 Good night. 1156 00:59:28.800 --> 00:59:33.179 That was Flight 3 entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, Joe Ford 1157 00:59:33.179 --> 00:59:35.219 Brendan Jones and Jack Shanahan. 1158 00:59:35.280 --> 00:59:37.199 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb. 1159 00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:41.699 This episode, relatable, was recorded on the 14th of March 2021 1160 00:59:41.699 --> 00:59:43.679 and released on the 23rd of May. 1161 00:59:46.739 --> 00:59:50.639 This episode is brought to you by Zencaster, the online podcasting 1162 00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:53.460 tool that lends you see a pixelated slideshow of your remote 1163 00:59:53.460 --> 00:59:56.280 guests, and occasionally hear some of the things they're saying. 1164 00:59:56.400 --> 01:00:02.400 Go to zencaster.com and use the offer code tiresome at checkout. 1165 01:00:05.460 --> 01:00:06.239 Hello? 1166 01:00:07.019 --> 01:00:09.000 Joe, are you there? 1167 01:00:09.420 --> 01:00:11.340 I'm here. 1168 01:00:11.639 --> 01:00:14.099 I think we've lost them. 1169 01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:19.139 Oh, okay, so so we can hear each other and they can't hear us. 1170 01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:21.179 That's that's bizarre. 1171 01:00:21.239 --> 01:00:22.079 Yeah. 1172 01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:26.219 Hello and welcome to the Noble Be Praised. 1173 01:00:26.280 --> 01:00:26.880 I'm Jack. 1174 01:00:28.079 --> 01:00:31.260 Welcome to a hamster for blump and night. 1175 01:00:32.820 --> 01:00:36.059 We shouldn't have done that. shameless. 1176 01:00:36.119 --> 01:00:38.039 They're going to have to cut that. 1177 01:00:38.519 --> 01:00:40.199 Are we back? 1178 01:00:41.099 --> 01:00:42.780 I don't know. 1179 01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:43.559 I can't hear them. 1180 01:00:43.739 --> 01:00:45.659 We can hear you. 1181 01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:46.980 You can't hear us. 1182 01:00:47.039 --> 01:00:48.480 We can hear you. 1183 01:00:48.539 --> 01:00:50.760 Wait, were you talking to me or to them? 1184 01:00:51.539 --> 01:00:56.099 Wait, can I can hear you, Joe, but Jack is offline. 1185 01:00:56.159 --> 01:00:57.780 Jack is not here anymore. 1186 01:00:57.840 --> 01:00:59.579 Oh, I can hear you. 1187 01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:01.019 I'm assuming both of us will. 1188 01:01:01.079 --> 01:01:01.920 Yeah, I can hear Jack. 1189 01:01:01.980 --> 01:01:03.960 I can hear Jack and I can hear you too. 1190 01:01:04.019 --> 01:01:06.119 That's who I can hear. can hear everybody. 1191 01:01:06.179 --> 01:01:07.619 You can hear Jack. 1192 01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:09.599 I can't... 1193 01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:12.420 Oh, I can't hear Nathan and Brendan. 1194 01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:14.940 Jack, can you refresh the browser? 1195 01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:16.320 Can you tell him to refresh the browser? 1196 01:01:16.380 --> 01:01:17.340 Will that keep his recording? 1197 01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:19.619 Uh... 1198 01:01:19.619 --> 01:01:21.179 Let's stop and start. 1199 01:01:21.300 --> 01:01:23.400 I feel as if I'm in a chronic hysteresis.