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Hello, D listener, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety.

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The only Doctor Who podcast, whose life doesn't make any sense.

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But whose does?

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Todd, and I'm your plastic groom who's fun to be with now with multiple marital attachments.

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Well, the stars have never existed.

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The universe has been destroyed and it's been a long time since we could get away with ending an episode with a brief shot of some scary floor tiles.

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So what the hell could possibly happen next?

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Let's find out as we discuss the Big Bang.

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So, one of our listeners, Nick H, at Heisenberg Pod, ask us this question.

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Please explain the season ending 2 parter.

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I do not get it at all.

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That's because he lives in an uncertainty principle.

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Well, on that note, Nathan, please explain.

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Okay, I'm going to do it in 30, no, I'm not going to do it.

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I can have a go.

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So Gossini and Udozo wrote and directed last week's episode, including the Cleopatra, please.

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It really was.

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And this week's one is more Warner Brothers.

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As Scribble comedy.

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It actually feels like Myrna Loy and William Powell and Carol Lombardo, because it's me and I'm on the podcast.

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But, you know, this is what we talk about.

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But you can see the pace and the direction.

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Moffatt's really playing with his film, his film history and everything he loves in his box of delights.

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I get a real sapphire and steel vibe from it.

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Yeah.

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But I was awake for this one.

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It's shorter.

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Yeah, funnier, but it takes place in a sort of eccentric space.

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I mean, we'll talk about the opening a little bit later, but most of the stuff in that museum happens in a world where the rules don't normally apply.

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And the way that Moffat achieves this is by inventing the total, what is it?

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Not the total perspective.

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The total event collapsed.

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You remember Matt was a complex space-time event in Time of Angels.

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And now we've got perfect, perfect. you know, better than bidmead, techno babble here, total event collapse does what it says on the tin.

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But basically what it means is that rules don't apply.

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And so we exist in this sort of weird world that is sort of our world.

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But it's a world where there's no stars, where there's no sun, where history is gradually unhappening around them.

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And all of that sort of strange time thing and the emphasis on historical artefacts and stuff seems to me classic sapphire and steel.

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I feel it's classic Douglas Adams.

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There's a lot of Douglas Adams.

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I actually feel that Moffat is in his own manic manner, which is always more frenetic than Adam's even at his at his most Parisian.

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Adams was never quite as frenetic as this, as this storytelling is, but I really do feel it's his thinking, who's been the best story writer?

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I felt this is more of picking these last 2 episodes.

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We've been picking over the history of Doctor Who for the Christmas box best bits.

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We certainly saw that last week with all the sort of, you know, day poll mini figures sort of collected at the end.

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I mean, the Adams thing.

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Moffatt owes a lot to Adams because Adams does the puzzle box plot with time travel, and not so much in Doctor Who, but certainly in Dirk Gently's holistic detective agency, which is absolutely constructed like that, where a whole heap of inexplicable events happen.

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And then there's time travel and they're sort of explained and plus jokes.

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And also the rebooting the universe out of a small amount of matter that was in the Pandora car seems to me like the total perspective vortex extrapolating the universe. to fairy coat.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, so I think when Nick's asking sort of what happens.

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It's exactly that.

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It's kind of like ghostlight in that everything you need to know about what is happening in this episode happens in an info dump in one scene.

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It's the scene just before the doctor gets shot by the Dalek, where when he explains inside the Pandora, all these molecules from the beginning of the universe, we've seen that the light from the Pandoraca revives things.

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So let's just turn it up to 11. actually surprised they didn't use that line.

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But I do have to wonder then what made all the styles blow up in the 1st place.

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Well, that's a total event collapse.

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Okay.

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In the dictionary, Brandon.

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The stars.

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Not the planets.

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Well, no, because Earth survives, but I suppose where the stars exploding at every point in their history.

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They probably never generated planets.

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A lot of planets. point in history.

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Yeah, but they're an anomaly. at the eye of the storm.

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So the only reason the earth exists, the earth couldn't have existed in this reality, but the only reason it exists is because it did exist.

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And it's the eye of the storm and it's magic.

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You see, there are enough kind of space reasons given for the people who want there to be some sort of coherent scientific thing that they can hang their hat on.

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But basically, this works on the logic of a fairy tale, and it works with magic, and that's how the story is resolved.

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It's funny that like Rory says, no, not getting it.

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And I actually, as I said there, I went, well, me finally getting it 11 years later.

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Like all the answers are there or he set everything up and whether you like the space reasons or buy them or whatever for somebody like me who wants everything answered, they are there, but you've just got to accept some of them are more magic science and I think it's your perspective on what you think science fiction or Doctor Who actually is.

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Yeah, I I had canon that the reason the stars exploded is because the TARDIS exploded and the TARDIS has been everywhere in the universe.

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So if it's exploding at every point in the universe, the Tatars blew up all the stars.

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Yeah, well I think that's clear that that's what's happening.

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Although I will...

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I will say that watching it this time through is the 1st time I understood why, when River opens the TARDIS doors, there's a block of concrete in front of them, because the doctor says the TARDIS has sealed off the control room and river in a pocket dimension.

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Ah, made of concrete and put her in a time loop.

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So at the point of the explosion, she loops back a few seconds so she never gets blown up, but the rest of the TARDIS does.

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And it's like, okay, no, I can accept that.

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But again, magic.

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Magic I think.

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Hashtag space reason.

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So we begin?

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Yeah. 1894 years later, so with young Amy, am I correct?

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Yeah, so it's Little Amelia.

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In fact, the 1st shot there is the 1st shot of series five.

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So what happens here, I think, is that Amy gets a do over.

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We see what happens when she runs off with her imaginary friend the night before her wedding, it ends in catastrophe.

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It ends with the universe blowing up.

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That be a salutary list.

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Wayward girl.

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When you're an adult, nothing good happens after midnight.

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Sorry, turn left.

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Yeah, or before midnight, really.

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But now she gets a do over, right?

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The doctor never comes.

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And so she does that prayer and she goes up to the window expecting the doctor to be there, but instead of hearing the sort of wheezing, groaning sound, all we hear is the sound of the wind.

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And so this is a world where the doctor never came for her.

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And because of that, it's a world that has no stars and no magic, you know, and she's trying to hold on to that because that's Amy.

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But instead she lives in a much bleaker and more desolate world where the doctor never shows up.

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Mind you, he turns up 4 minutes in because he can't help himself.

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And needs to invite her to the museum.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Her aunt gives up on her in that, you know?

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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You know, Lost Child Museum?

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Well, whatever.

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I'll go back tomorrow. she'll be there.

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It reminds me of this short film I saw when I was a kid, and I don't know if it was like a public service announcement or something, but brother and sister get locked overnight in a supermarket and they have to eat the frozen food and what have you.

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And it was Australian.

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I remember it was Australian.

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But I remember as a kid going, hasn't their mum or dad like called up and said, I last saw them in the supermarket.

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Can someone go in and law?

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Yeah, they've cracked open a couple of bottles of red, I would think.

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But yeah, enjoying the quiet.

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Yeah, Aunt Sharon's clearly like, Quiet night.

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No little ginger talking about stars.

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I can live with this.

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Also, I think too, it's an answer to the kind of objection that the doctor's sort of driven her mad in the original timeline because she's visiting all those psychologists and biting them and stuff like that.

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That's the thing that still happens in this version where the doctor doesn't show.

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Maybe not as much.

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She seems quite cool and collected, and she follows the procedure, and she, I mean, all she ever does is I'm thirsty.

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It's not really difficult for an 11 year old.

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It all.

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No, I think just Auntie Sharon is a cow.

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Yeah, yeah, that's it, yeah.

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We don't see her again, do we?

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She burn very brightly?

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She is at the wedding.

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She's at the wedding. at the wedding, right at the back.

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But, you know, we need us.

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In this pre-credits teaser, obviously, we've got post-chit notes and the soda stolen and stick around pond and all of that's going to come back later on in the episode.

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Again, it's front loading it.

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It's a puzzle box because we open the Pandorica expecting to see the doctor inside and it's Amy and she says, all right, kid, this is where it gets complicated.

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And it's already fairly complicated.

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Like we've seen clearly the doctor has snatched her drink.

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We know that the doctors left the notes.

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It's the red pen from the lodger.

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It's all sort of this sort of careful, complex setup where we don't see the reasons for any of the things that happen.

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And then we end with this sort of big surprise that can't possibly be true.

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And then he will go back after the credits, which don't come in until sort of 7.5 minutes again and give us every reason for all of those things that happen.

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It's also Stephen doing what he does now with 2 partters where you just don't have a direct continuation like what Russell would or classic Doctor Who.

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You know, he throws us in at some and those answers are going to happen at some point through the episode, he's going to explain what's going on, but you're sort of thrown by where you're at and what's actually going on.

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Did you guys think it was going to be Amy even when she touched the Pandora?

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No.

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No, absolutely.

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Not originally, no, no.

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And that was a lovely, lovely bit.

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Although you are, I mean, it's all predicated, isn't it?

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Oh, she has to live.

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How will she live?

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Put her in the fridge.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's a great surprise and sort of very deliberately that.

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Or a disappointment.

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Depending on your position as the viewer.

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Is that too much?

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And then we go 1894 years previously, with Rory talking to dead Amy, and a ridiculous miracle happens.

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I think I said this last week and I just want to reiterate.

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I don't know what it is, but somehow Stephen Moffat manages to write. a man shooting his girlfriend in the stomach and not have it be utterly horrific.

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It is disturbing and upsetting, but I think...

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I think, though, even last week, because it's so ridiculous, like Rory shoots Amy, then the doctor gets locked in a box, then the entire universe explodes.

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Then we pull out to reveal all the stars exploding.

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I think at that point you go, well, obviously they're going to get out of this.

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This isn't series nine.

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See, I can see Tom having huge fun with this, but I can see David Tennant just being quite cross with it all. wouldn't have been...

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But it is quite fun, I think.

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Like, you're comparing to Douglas Adams and the humour and the wit of Stephen Moffat to give you answers, but to have that in there so that you're not disturbed by the fact that Rory has shot Amy in the stomach and the doctor coming back with the fez and the mop and all of that ridiculousness and you're sort of chuckling away what's going on and that I think is marvellous.

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It is a moment of great despair, though, isn't it?

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And I think that's, of course, Arthur Darville really carries the scene.

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Oh, yes.

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I don't think it would have worked if it was anyone else in the car.

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And immediately when we hit that despair, something ridiculous happens.

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And the one thing I had never noticed before is that he appears 3 times and the 1st time he has the mop and the fairs.

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The 2nd time he doesn't have the mop, I didn't actually notice that before, and it's one of those sort of continuity errors.

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You know, you might have thought it was a continuity error.

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Except when we replay it from the other end.

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You see him deliberately putting the mop down so that he doesn't appear with the mop in the 2nd thing.

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And all of that is setting us up for the moment where the doctor is going to jump back in time and appear and then die.

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And so when that happens, we're already primed to be aware that things happen to the doctor in this episode in the wrong order.

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And so it's gently set up for us, I think.

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The same way that last week, Rory coming back, which we thought was the point of all that talk about, if you can remember something, it can come back.

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Rory comes back and we think, okay, we understand that.

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And so when the doctor comes back at the end of this episode, we're already primed to understand how that works.

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I like all of the dialogue with Rory about the nestines.

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And there's quite a lot of explanations there about him, you know, being more than just an esteem duplicate.

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And it's stuff that I missed the 1st time around.

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I think I keep saying it when you come back to Stephen Margaret episodes, you can keep coming back and finding new stuff year after year after year.

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There's density like there is with atoms writing as well.

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Yeah, there's things.

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I don't think he's as fun.

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Well, he is fun.

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He is as fun and he certainly has a manic quality more so than Douglas Adams, surprisingly.

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But I don't know that his complexity is as fluid.

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And Adam's story.

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You can't, you can see, it's perfectly whole.

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There's really no other way this could have gone within its own tenets, but when you look at a Moffatt thing, I'm thinking, you're writing this at 4 in the morning, aren't you?

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And you're really, and the adrenaline's a lot of fun, but you're really just edging it.

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I think the paradox probably is.

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Douglas Adams seems to write character 1st and then sees what weird stuff he can fit in around that.

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Whereas Stephen Moffat, I think, is very much a plot 1st writer.

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He wants the plot to make as much sense as possible.

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And then he inserts the characters into it.

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So whereas Douglas Adams, if you like, is coming up with the theme park ride first, whereas Stephen Moffatt's going, yes, but what are the engineering tolerances of the roller coaster?

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I mean, Moffat's characters are very clearly drawn.

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Like you know how Amy and Rory and the doctor are going to react to things. but that doesn't make them realistic.

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No.

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Oh, goodness.

214
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Well, it's it's some, the Sarah Jane principle, again, if these characters were realistic, they would stay home, they would not be putting up with this week after week, especially next year.

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What would Harry and Sarah have done in a similar situation?

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Well, I mean, I think the thing is that there's much less whimsy in season 12, it's really sort of gruelling and bleak and sort of horrendous and kind of realistic sort of action adventure realistic in that it's sort of drawing from Nazism and stuff like that all the way through.

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And so when we did season 12 and we were all on it together, I think.

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We kept observing just how awful this is and how are these people going through this and why did Sarah get back on board the TARDIS at the end of Terror of the Zygons?

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Why doesn't she sort of punch him in the face and run screaming away from him?

220
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Which is the big difference because in this one they actually do like each other.

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Yeah.

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Well, I mean, it seriously, I think Harry would have gone to make a cup of tea for 2000 years.

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Just leave it.

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Talking about that point of 2000 years, I think that's just a beautiful moment, I just love, I had tears the 1st time through.

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I still get emotional when it talks about him guarding that and the night of the blitz or whatever and he's not been seen.

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I just, I adore that.

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But then again, I adore Rory and Arthur Darville.

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I mean, it's his penance for shooting, Amy, isn't it?

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Like he has to be, in order to still be a good guy.

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He has to kind of go through that.

231
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But again, it's sort of very well told in the 2 time period.

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So we see it being set up, being decided in 102 AD, and then we hear Nicholas Briggs telling us, I'm assuming it's Nicholas Briggs, telling us all about it in the museum 1900 years later. getting so many little windows into the Moffatt virtue, own home life. be screwed.

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It is amazing how it takes Rory 1900 years to go, you know what?

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Maybe I'll get rid of the skirt.

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Hey, maybe I'll get some modern clothes.

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I thought they were plastic, which is a way to stay in.

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Bold vision of the future and it never needs ironing.

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But here at the museum, we've got Amy and Amelia, they get to hug each other or hold each other's hands.

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Isn't there some sort of effect that's supposed to happen with that?

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Lenovich limitation effect, but total event collapse, I'm afraid, trumps it.

241
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Yeah, that's my thing as well.

242
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But the Sonic screwdrivers do spark when they touch each other.

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But that is 2000 years ago.

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So maybe 2000 years later, the universe is so small. that the Blinovic limitation effect doesn't happen anymore.

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Yes, maybe that's it.

246
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I mean, they don't annihilate each other. don't annihilate each other.

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No reapers appear.

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They don't, you know, short out and kill a bunch of immortals and give Nicholas Courtney a nervous breakdown.

249
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No none of that.

250
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Did you notice the doctor's advice to Rory, which is stay away from radio signals when they come because they'll make him suffocate Katie Manning?

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It's very subtle.

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I noticed it this time and I went, 0 my goodness, that's such a nod.

253
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He just says radio signals, doesn't he?

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There's nothing.

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Heaton radio signals. radio signals.

256
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And then he says, and stay out of.

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And it could have been a duel factory. anything.

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And then when he appears in the present, he says the word trouble.

259
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So, you know, again, we've got that idea that the events are playing out over 2 time streams, absolutely rammed home so that you don't miss what's going on.

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There's a couple of moments around here.

261
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Matt's look or the doctor's look on his face as Amy and Rory continue to kiss and hug is just hilarious.

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Breathe.

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I love Amy's little Amelia's take on it too.

264
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He's definitely, it's one of those lovely moments, and there's many of them in these 2 episodes where you can see the doctor is the 11 year old person watching the events of these so-called adults and just finding it all.

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Very untidy.

266
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That drink is, of course, circular.

267
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It's a paradox.

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Like the reason that she needs a drink and asks for one is that he took it away in the teaser and she wouldn't have been thirsty if he hadn't done that.

269
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So there's no actual reason for that to happen.

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And that is just stuck in there by Moffatt because he can.

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Like, there's no doubt that he knows that that's what he's doing. clever clogs.

272
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I just say like a, and I'll say it, oh, man. a walking cliche.

273
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I really disliked it the 1st time around.

274
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Yes, you're so clever that the doctor appears, you know, because the doctor appears in the past to get himself out of the Pandora, then, oh, look, I've lost the plot.

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I'm sorry, but do you know what I'm saying?

276
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the fact that he has to come back from the future to get himself out of the past, but in the past.

277
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Oh, I just still can't explain it.

278
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I just, it does my head in.

279
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And I'm just struggling to explain any of it that right now and I don't know how Nathan's going to even edit back.

280
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But I do think it's very clever and it works wonderfully well and I think you can get away with it once.

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Yeah.

282
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Yeah.

283
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And I think this is a great moment.

284
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It is a great moment.

285
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I really do enjoy it even though my head just has my head in.

286
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Look, I mean, he doesn't reach for it all that often and like a normal, a normal sort of non-event episode will happen sort of in a linear way and won't have the doctor sort of nipping back to fix things, sort of Bill and Ted style in order to get out of something and maybe that would be tedious.

287
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But certainly it's, I think it's fun when it does happen here.

288
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Oh yeah.

289
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And how good does the Paradigm Dalek look in stone?

290
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Isn't it lovely?

291
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And we've not seen that finish yet.

292
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Have we?

293
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brand new one.

294
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That's right.

295
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I'm looking forward to...

296
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Well, we've had bronze.

297
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Yep, and we've had do co...

298
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Now we've got.

299
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Yes, what?

300
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I can't wait for barnacles on their bottom for the seafaring episodes to come out next year.

301
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Well, that one that came out of the river in Dale Convasion of Earth.

302
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That's probably got barnacles.

303
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Barnacles on its bottom.

304
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But it's very nice to have a Dalek in the season finale because, you know, we have to keep up that tradition as much as we possibly can, you know, even though we had a few where they haven't been there, but, you know, more finales.

305
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Well, I was actually initially disappointed by this episode.

306
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I had the Todd experience.

307
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Because back in the day, yeah. title.

308
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Hot experience.

309
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It's only good things, man.

310
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I've got to say, I did too.

311
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I just thought it was messy and you're pulling all the strings out and it just felt like the 11 hour panic attack that you've got a script due.

312
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And when Russell did it, because we've seen this a lot in the last, however many years we've been doing this show.

313
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Russell was doing it constantly.

314
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Maybe there was something that Brendan said in this Douglas Adams style and that the characters always came 1st and in this one it's plot.

315
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So even though we're familiar with them and we and we do love the people that are in it and that's what saves it.

316
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It's not the impetus for the action.

317
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So in any of the Russell fantasy acres, because they are that big, it's about the character and what's happening with the characters 1st and foremost.

318
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I still think the best one is the Dalek 2-parter at the end of Eccleston's 1st only series, that really makes it all work.

319
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Yeah, maybe that's why you weren't so captivated.

320
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It's not actually.

321
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The reason is that I was after a big dumb spectacle and instead...

322
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I did.

323
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And instead, I had 4 people talking in a museum.

324
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I promised a big bang.

325
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Yes, exactly. in the title.

326
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And so even though the universe has been destroyed, like really comprehensively.

327
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I mean, it's a bigger end of episode 12 catastrophe than we've ever had.

328
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Suddenly we're all just sort of standing around talking.

329
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But that's what Stephen Muffet does.

330
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He doesn't do the big, huge spectacles in these episodes.

331
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He brings it back to his core cast and you tend to have less periphery cast around and other things going on.

332
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But I actually do think this is his season.

333
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This is what has been in his head for a very long time and I do think that it is actually very well constructed and plotted out.

334
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And again, to harp on.

335
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It's like going back and rereading the novel and coming up with new or seeing all the answers for the 1st time or seeing answers that were already there in plain sight, but you missed them because you were concentrating on other things and expecting had other expectations, perhaps.

336
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Yeah.

337
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I remember watching this in 2010.

338
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And the scene where Amelia disappears.

339
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I remember my exact thought was, this is the introspective finale.

340
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Yeah.

341
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So all of Russell's finales, as you say, it's big bangs, the world is coming to an end.

342
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There's things flying in the sky shooting lasers, whereas Stephen Moffat, I think, makes a conscious decision of, I'm sure I could do more of the same.

343
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I'm sure I could do that, but it's going to invite comparison anyway to what the last 4 series have been.

344
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I am going to do something that is harder to directly compare.

345
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And I'm still going to have the big universal stakes.

346
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And, you know, he does 6 season finales.

347
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And I would say 4 of them are this kind of introspective focussing on the lead characters and their relationships with each other with a very small guest cast.

348
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Now, here, because in the last episode, we had a bunch of Romans and this episode, we've got a wedding.

349
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It's not as noticeable as some of his later ones, but it's still noticeable.

350
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And for me, I was watching that, and I kind of went, oh, okay, it's not going to be a big alien invasion story, but I can accept that because it's consciously making that decision and it doesn't, it doesn't feel like Stephen Moffat going, oh, no, I can't do that because eventually he will do that and it'll be good.

351
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But it's more Stephen Moffatt going, I'm a fan.

352
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I know what fans are like.

353
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If I try and do Russell's thing, people will either Gallifrey Base will be split asunder by people saying that Moffatt did it better or Russell did it better and I'll have to close it down for a few days again.

354
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So rather than that, I'm going to do something that plays to my strengths and do something that focusses on basically my 3 regulars and my recurring character River song.

355
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So the other thing is that all of Davey's finales, once the big dumb spectacle is over, have a big character moment, and often that's because we've got a cast change or whatever at the end, but it's things calm down a bit, and then we have time to see where the characters all are as a result.

356
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Whereas this one, you know, we talk about the plot being the most important thing here.

357
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But in many ways, the most important thing is Amy.

358
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And I've been saying this all year.

359
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This is the story where Amy decides to accept being an adult.

360
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And I haven't said this before, you know, the idea of a woman getting married as a the most important sign of adulthood is obviously a problem.

361
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But, yes. the sort of problem that is only going to get worse next year, I think.

362
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But in any case, she accepts her adulthood and then says no, actually, that's not enough.

363
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I want childhood as well and calls the doctor back into existence.

364
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And so that's the point of this.

365
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And Moffatt's finales are much, much more centred around the characters.

366
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And what's happening to the characters, even if they are sort of science fiction, things like the hybrid or being turned into a Spiderman or something like that, something very serious centres the story on the characters in a way that, you know, Daleks invade Canary Wharf isn't about any of the characters, particularly.

367
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But I guess with all the Russell finales, there is like, you know, there's somebody leaving every year in a different way and that happens right at the end after that big spectacle.

368
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It's always been writing dark, hasn't it?

369
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He's always been writing, it's a sin. ever since Queer as Folk.

370
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I just thought it was fun and jolly because it was Doctor Who.

371
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No, really wasn't.

372
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No, no.

373
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Nothing this nice ever happens to people in Russell's universe.

374
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

375
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This is actually nice.

376
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Yeah, people are happy, Russell.

377
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Go on to nice lives.

378
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Russell.

379
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In, in, in regards to people leaving sort of once a year, now having the complete RTD era and the complete Moffat irritable back on.

380
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As a producer who decides the cast.

381
00:31:07.619 --> 00:31:09.180
Russell is actually quite ruthless.

382
00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:22.319
Because series one, obviously Christopher Eccleston leaves, so Billy Piper has to stay on, but they did film an ending where Rose died and they did plan another ending where Rose left.

383
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Then Rose leaves at the end of series too.

384
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Freema is contracted for half of series four, but they decide the character's not working so writer out of Doctor Who and have her as a have her as a guest role elsewhere.

385
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And Catherine Tate.

386
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They wrote her out without even asking whether she would have continued because they realised they were having so much fun, but they're like, oh, we've already written her out.

387
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But then afterwards they said to her, oh, we would have loved you to stay on.

388
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She's like, of course I would have stayed on.

389
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Why didn't you ask me?

390
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So Russell kind of goes, okay, no, I have my unit of the companion story that is being told and then you're out.

391
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Whereas twice.

392
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Moffatt has his companions, writes a perfect ending for them, but then the actor wants to stay on.

393
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So he's like, oh, okay.

394
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On you go, arguably to their detriment.

395
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Yeah.

396
00:32:11.819 --> 00:32:18.000
Um, But I've noticed a symmetry to this episode surrounding the companions.

397
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So the story starts with Amelia slash Amy.

398
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Then Rory is in the story, then the doctor is in the story, then river, then river disappears, and the doctor is going back through his timeline, and then we end on Amy and Rory, and then the last shot of the episode before the TARDIS flies off into the opening title sequence, which is amazing.

399
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Is Amy looking up?

400
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It's got this pyramid structure.

401
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But is it digetic?

402
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Well, something I did notice that's digetic in that symmetry. is when Amelia disappears in the foyer of the museum.

403
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Rory runs down the stairs shouting, Amelia, Amelia.

404
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Then the doctor from the future appears at the top of the stairs, falls down.

405
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They run upstairs, do all the thing.

406
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When they come back down, the dying doctor is gone, and Rory runs down the stairs screaming doctor, doctor.

407
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Right, right.

408
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It's very nice.

409
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It's very nice.

410
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And I think Arthur Darvel even faces left, then faces right in both occasions.

411
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See, that is how clever Stephen Moffatt is, and you don't always see that until somebody like yourself points it out and you think, 0 my goodness.

412
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Absolute Uber fan child.

413
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I just say something at this point.

414
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I do get annoyed with Matt Smith having to talk into the ear of that very bad doctor double.

415
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Like it just takes me out of that moment every single time.

416
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I go, that is not Matt Smith.

417
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The hair is all wrong.

418
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That's Edward Watts's bum from Edmund Warwick.

419
00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:53.339
Well, have you seen the guy in the Doctor Who Confidential who's Matt Smith's double?

420
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:53.640
No.

421
00:33:53.700 --> 00:33:54.720
He's like twice his age.

422
00:33:55.140 --> 00:33:57.599
Everyone is twice.

423
00:33:57.599 --> 00:33:58.140
That's true.

424
00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:00.720
But yeah, he's he's Matt Smith's stunt double.

425
00:34:00.779 --> 00:34:01.619
He did the horse riding.

426
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:03.779
Oh, like...

427
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:05.700
He kicked all the goals.

428
00:34:10.139 --> 00:34:12.239
Harsh but fair.

429
00:34:12.300 --> 00:34:14.760
And Caitlin Blackwood, but we don't.

430
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:17.519
That's why Matt needed to use time double next year.

431
00:34:17.579 --> 00:34:22.079
That's you if you ever go into television front of camera.

432
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:23.400
What, me, Caitlin Blackwood?

433
00:34:23.579 --> 00:34:25.800
We've seen you do the frog.

434
00:34:25.860 --> 00:34:31.199
Actually, who wants to see right in, dear listener, if you want to see Brendan do Amelia Pond.

435
00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:35.880
It's a thing, now say it 3 times quick.

436
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:39.360
He's doing it.

437
00:34:39.420 --> 00:34:40.619
You doing it now, aren't you, though?

438
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:42.059
You're doing it now. wearing it now.

439
00:34:57.119 --> 00:35:01.559
So, after we get rid of the dead fake Dr. Deadwood.

440
00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:02.820
Oh no, that's Russell.

441
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:04.619
We go up to the roof.

442
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:09.900
And I didn't pick it that the sun was going to be...

443
00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:12.059
We haven't had river.

444
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:16.199
We get that wonderful lime or what sort of time do you call this when the doctor actually appears in the time?

445
00:35:16.260 --> 00:35:16.619
Yeah, yeah.

446
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:17.639
He says, hi, honey, I'm home.

447
00:35:17.699 --> 00:35:20.099
I mean, and that's the thing too.

448
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:21.840
The mystery of who River is.

449
00:35:21.900 --> 00:35:24.000
Could she possibly be the doctor's wife?

450
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:25.139
Guess what?

451
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:26.340
You know?

452
00:35:26.340 --> 00:35:27.960
Yeah.

453
00:35:28.019 --> 00:35:30.300
And that's the Moffat approach.

454
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:31.440
Missy is the master.

455
00:35:31.500 --> 00:35:32.639
Like, who else could she be?

456
00:35:32.699 --> 00:35:37.199
He just, these mysteries are not fun to resolve.

457
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:39.360
And so he resolves them in the most obvious way.

458
00:35:39.420 --> 00:35:41.219
Could have been the Mistress Romana.

459
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:44.760
Yes, please.

460
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:46.920
Yes, please.

461
00:35:46.980 --> 00:35:52.500
But this is the thing. is Paul Cornell talking to Stephen Moffat now because this is, we've done it.

462
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:54.539
We've said it so many times before, haven't we?

463
00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:55.679
This is Benny.

464
00:35:55.739 --> 00:35:56.760
Yes.

465
00:35:56.820 --> 00:36:00.659
I mean, really, really is Benny to the point that why do we need a river salt?

466
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:13.619
I just listened to an episode of Doctor Who, the Writer's Room, where they did Timeworm Revelation, and they were constantly drawing parallels between Cornell and Moffatt's concerns.

467
00:36:13.619 --> 00:36:14.940
Styles, actually.

468
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:15.840
Yeah, yeah.

469
00:36:15.900 --> 00:36:23.699
And they were friends and, you know, they got to know each other over the writing. cats when they passed each other now.

470
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:26.579
Did they go to Tavern together and stuff?

471
00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:27.179
Yeah, they did.

472
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:29.039
They knew each other for a while.

473
00:36:29.099 --> 00:36:36.780
And so a lot of the staff that Moffatt does is stuff that Cornell did during the wilderness years as well.

474
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:48.539
Yeah, very, well, you can see this is, I was actually going to say, I'm really enjoying these lovely fanfic productions that the BBC is kindly donating cash to the last few years.

475
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:50.699
This just feels like another one of them.

476
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:58.199
This is honestly all the lads who were, and it is mostly lads we really need to say to the point that it'd be nice to see a lady writers.

477
00:36:59.219 --> 00:37:00.300
Yeah, more than maybe once.

478
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:06.360
It is something that Moffatt became very conscious of towards the end of his time and went to some lengths to try and rectify.

479
00:37:06.420 --> 00:37:13.440
And then I think Chibnall has taken that even further by hiring more female directors and writers than sort of ever before.

480
00:37:13.500 --> 00:37:16.800
Yeah, even in the 90s, we had a Kate Orman, didn't we?

481
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:17.099
We did.

482
00:37:17.099 --> 00:37:24.659
Getting increasingly annoyed with each passing novel that she was the only woman writing for the range and her about the author's action.

483
00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:29.519
What even has Kate Orban is still the only woman to have written a new adventure, drums, fingers.

484
00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:32.760
I think that's on the back of sleep.

485
00:37:32.820 --> 00:37:38.099
I can see I can see that Moffatt's right, rubbing his hands together, just as Russell did right.

486
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:39.840
Now we can do everything at once.

487
00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:43.199
So does that, is that the sense that you're getting from this episode?

488
00:37:43.260 --> 00:37:45.059
All my Christmases at once.

489
00:37:45.179 --> 00:37:48.480
Well, I mean, the new adventures did do the time things.

490
00:37:48.539 --> 00:37:58.199
You know, the doctor going back, there are a few new adventures that end with the doctor going back to put things in place so that...

491
00:37:58.260 --> 00:38:01.139
See Brendan's probably read them more recently than the rest of us.

492
00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:03.420
Oh, I'm stuck on the pit at the moment.

493
00:38:04.019 --> 00:38:07.920
But at the... we call it.

494
00:38:07.980 --> 00:38:09.599
That's a big.

495
00:38:10.380 --> 00:38:12.659
That's meals.

496
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:15.059
We just did the hands deal with them.

497
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:16.199
We just did the hands.

498
00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:17.400
I think I ever got through that.

499
00:38:17.460 --> 00:38:18.480
No, terrible.

500
00:38:18.539 --> 00:38:22.260
I'm thinking of just putting it down so I can move on to deceit, I think, is next.

501
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:23.400
I didn't finish it either.

502
00:38:23.460 --> 00:38:26.400
You will have the same experience with deceit. fair enough.

503
00:38:26.460 --> 00:38:30.480
I can't remember who it's doing, but I will send you the link, Nathan.

504
00:38:30.539 --> 00:38:33.960
There has just been a fan production of The Pit released.

505
00:38:34.019 --> 00:38:38.940
So I may I may just listen to that because it's going to be better than the novel.

506
00:38:39.059 --> 00:38:39.780
Well, yeah.

507
00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:43.500
Can I bring things back to the roof?

508
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:44.340
Yeah.

509
00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:44.820
Yes.

510
00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:51.960
Because the doctor and river obviously get out of the TARDIS with the time vortex manipulator.

511
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:56.280
So she's up there with Amy and the plastic centurion.

512
00:38:56.340 --> 00:38:58.139
Her parents, right?

513
00:38:58.199 --> 00:38:58.860
Yeah.

514
00:38:58.920 --> 00:38:59.699
Which, sorry.

515
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:00.960
Spoiler alert.

516
00:39:01.019 --> 00:39:04.800
But it's like, at this point in time, Alex Kingston wouldn't have known.

517
00:39:04.860 --> 00:39:07.320
I wonder if Moffatt knew.

518
00:39:07.380 --> 00:39:08.159
Maybe he knew.

519
00:39:08.219 --> 00:39:15.960
I don't know, it always annoys me a little that you never get any sort of subtle thing where she'll give a slight look or something knowing that they are her parents.

520
00:39:16.019 --> 00:39:17.039
Do you know what I mean?

521
00:39:17.099 --> 00:39:31.380
Like, I mean, if you if you told the actress, it would, of course, then influence her performance, but I just kind of sometimes feel like that river's ability to completely not give anything away is just too good an act.

522
00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:31.920
Yeah.

523
00:39:31.980 --> 00:39:36.420
But, you know, she does get to say what in the name of sanity have you got on your head?

524
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:38.099
I love that.

525
00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:41.099
Well, and that miss... love.

526
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:49.260
Oh, the fairs is so great, but it is that thing where she's his wife and he's an idiot and she doesn't want him to look like an idiot.

527
00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:51.179
And so she puts a stop to him.

528
00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:57.059
Like, both of the women, like, doesn't Amy take the fez and throw it in the air so that River can shoot it.

529
00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:00.780
And then that will happen at the beginning of next year with the Stetson as well.

530
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:06.780
She's constantly intervening to stop her husband looking like an idiot in public.

531
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:11.219
And it's the most wifely thing that I can kind of imagine.

532
00:40:11.460 --> 00:40:18.780
On the topic of whether Alex Kingston, new or not, in Babylon 5, which, of course, Nathan, you've never heard of.

533
00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:19.500
Yeah, what is it?

534
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:36.179
Of course, that had a five-year story arc, but the actors were never informed of what the story arc was because the writer JMS said, if you know that your character will eventually lead to the downfall of your civilisation.

535
00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:38.460
You might play that early on.

536
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:43.139
And the whole point of your character is they think they're doing the right thing and it leads them down this dark path.

537
00:40:43.260 --> 00:40:45.599
This is Hellenic theatre.

538
00:40:45.659 --> 00:40:47.340
Wow, isn't it?

539
00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:50.340
Gods cannot divulge.

540
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:51.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

541
00:40:51.780 --> 00:40:54.840
And I think that gods have been canine because he's the day of six.

542
00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:58.440
Canis X-Machina.

543
00:40:58.500 --> 00:40:59.699
I am your daughter.

544
00:41:01.739 --> 00:41:03.659
I have your what?

545
00:41:05.340 --> 00:41:08.400
Can you imagine John Leeson in these things?

546
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:10.320
Max Kingston.

547
00:41:10.380 --> 00:41:12.000
He wouldn't, it'd be fantastic.

548
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:14.579
I think it would be literally no different at all.

549
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:16.320
Dr. Bank's fault.

550
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:17.159
Messi.

551
00:41:17.219 --> 00:41:18.300
I am K man.

552
00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:25.139
Oh, Nathan, we're not going to do any...

553
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:27.900
I'm going to leave it up to the 2 professionals.

554
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:38.639
But the other thing about whether Moffat knew at this point is he has since said the title, The Big Bang, is a direct reference to this is the night that Melody was conceived.

555
00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:42.840
Oh, I really did not want to know.

556
00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:57.000
But no, he said he said he when he was thinking of a title, he came up with that title thinking of Amy and Rory's honeymoon rather than Big Bang 2 and then he remembered, oh, I've got the Big Bang 2 in the script.

557
00:41:57.059 --> 00:42:02.039
I thought that the party was a big bang as well, and that was a sort of a double meaning.

558
00:42:02.099 --> 00:42:02.820
A nice reading.

559
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:03.420
Yeah.

560
00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:07.199
It's absolutely a sitcom relationship, isn't it?

561
00:42:07.260 --> 00:42:11.340
They get married and then have sex and then she gets pregnant immediately.

562
00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:15.179
You know, it's classic sort of collapsing of time.

563
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:16.860
WandaVision, isn't it?

564
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:23.460
And and, you know, the thing where you come back next season and the baby is like, you know, can talk and stuff like that.

565
00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:26.880
Like again, absolute sort of sitcom staff.

566
00:42:26.940 --> 00:42:35.820
And they've avoided the awkward point where they have to put Karen Gillan in a lab coat with tools that she never uses despite the fact she's an end.

567
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:37.079
Oh, sorry, that's Voyager.

568
00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:42.480
I like that we keep looping back to the roof just like it's the episode.

569
00:42:42.780 --> 00:42:47.519
Well, that is the fulcrum point of the episode. still hasn't had his roof moment.

570
00:42:48.059 --> 00:42:49.500
Go on.

571
00:42:49.619 --> 00:42:50.940
What are you talking about?

572
00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:52.619
We keep coming back to the roof.

573
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:54.300
Well, we're now going to go down from the roof.

574
00:42:54.300 --> 00:42:59.820
Okay, did we work out why the TARDIS has taken 16000000000 years to explode?

575
00:42:59.940 --> 00:43:01.920
Because it's all happening at the same time.

576
00:43:01.980 --> 00:43:04.500
It's 3 points in history.

577
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:05.159
Yeah.

578
00:43:05.219 --> 00:43:07.380
According to the quantum field, exists all at once.

579
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:11.159
Also, much like this point. space reasons.

580
00:43:11.219 --> 00:43:22.320
And I just listened to the hollows of time this week by Christopher Hamilton bid mead, which has a quantum gravity engine, but it's basically just space reasons.

581
00:43:22.380 --> 00:43:22.860
Yeah.

582
00:43:22.860 --> 00:43:24.480
Well, I mean, this is...

583
00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:26.760
I've never come on this podcast, you know.

584
00:43:26.820 --> 00:43:28.079
I mean, this has been medium.

585
00:43:28.139 --> 00:43:33.059
This is like the collapse of the architecture in Castra Valva. as castravalva folds in on itself.

586
00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:38.280
And it's also like that eccentric space in Warrior's Gate.

587
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:44.639
So there's a very sort of mid median feel to this and that's that's a good thing.

588
00:43:44.699 --> 00:43:55.739
But unlike Bidmead, Moffat acknowledges that essentially this is just magic that you can recreate things that have been lost through memory and so on.

589
00:43:55.800 --> 00:44:02.519
You know, the reason Rory comes back not as a plastic auton is because Amy really loved him and remembered him very well.

590
00:44:02.579 --> 00:44:05.099
Magic is just science unexplained.

591
00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:10.679
Well, no magic is manipulating symbols in order to manipulate reality.

592
00:44:10.739 --> 00:44:12.900
We've actually got to Oprah now.

593
00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:14.039
No, I'm serious.

594
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:15.119
We've actually got to new age.

595
00:44:15.179 --> 00:44:18.000
I don't know how hippie woo-woo Moffatt really is.

596
00:44:18.059 --> 00:44:28.860
I suspect he isn't, but all of this contemplation is the new age spiritualism, the Ecart Toll, the things we don't tend to talk about on the podcast.

597
00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:40.559
Everything you've just talked about is how they discuss, how the new age, and it's a big thing and a lot of people are into it now. not just a little, not just a little fringe thing anymore, but you know, New York Times bestsellers.

598
00:44:40.619 --> 00:44:49.260
Yeah, and Carol, Miss, and all of those folk, they talk about the quantum field as being everything relevant and everything happening at once, and that is why wish fulfilment.

599
00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:50.639
And there's a lot.

600
00:44:50.699 --> 00:44:57.599
A lot of people have done it, made a lot out of, if you believe in it, hard enough, and you push yourself. you truly pursue it.

601
00:44:57.659 --> 00:44:58.260
It will come to you.

602
00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:01.500
And if you like to surf and turf in that order.

603
00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:11.519
But it's also the logic of narrative where you can use words and manipulate symbols in order to create a world and make events happen.

604
00:45:11.579 --> 00:45:14.039
And Moffatt is all about story.

605
00:45:14.099 --> 00:45:19.800
And as a storyteller, he has the power to bring something back that's been forgotten.

606
00:45:19.860 --> 00:45:22.619
And I think.

607
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:23.579
Is it the doctor?

608
00:45:23.639 --> 00:45:35.880
It's, no, it's, it's Amy realises that the doctor was trying to get her to sort of bring him back into being through her words at the wedding.

609
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:37.980
And that's absolutely magic.

610
00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:39.360
That's conjuring, you know.

611
00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:42.000
But let's go back to the roof.

612
00:45:42.780 --> 00:45:52.500
So we've gone up the ladder to the roof, but now we're coming back down and it's river versus the Dalek, which I just adore that scene.

613
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:55.679
Like it's sort of a parallel to the doctor, you know, look me up, you know.

614
00:45:55.739 --> 00:45:58.320
Yeah, yeah, see Mercy with the Dalek.

615
00:45:58.380 --> 00:46:05.280
And then, of course, Amy and Rory discover that the doctor is not lying on the steps and River says, well, the doctor lies.

616
00:46:05.340 --> 00:46:05.820
Rule one.

617
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:09.360
So we're coming back to something that Stephen's been setting up for some time.

618
00:46:09.420 --> 00:46:12.960
Can we talk about the confrontation with the dalek though?

619
00:46:13.019 --> 00:46:13.440
Sure.

620
00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:15.360
It's amazingly well shot.

621
00:46:15.420 --> 00:46:19.380
So you've got Dutch angles, you've got the camera moving in on both of them.

622
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:31.860
And it is clearly intended to set up the themes of the next season by having her just kill a dalek and cold blood.

623
00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:35.579
And, you know, shooting Daleks, I think, is a fine thing to do.

624
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:37.860
You know, it seems perfectly moral to me.

625
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:42.360
But here, it is a sign that she's a bit of a psychopath.

626
00:46:42.420 --> 00:46:43.800
And she taunts it.

627
00:46:43.860 --> 00:46:44.519
She torments it.

628
00:46:44.579 --> 00:46:45.960
It's the gloating.

629
00:46:46.019 --> 00:46:50.219
It's not necessarily the act of killing Dalek itself because...

630
00:46:50.219 --> 00:46:52.139
She's the doctor in this one.

631
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:55.619
Yeah, well, but the Dalek has killed her husband just now.

632
00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:58.739
I mean, you know, like has shot him dead.

633
00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:01.320
And so, you know, I'd be annoyed.

634
00:47:01.380 --> 00:47:03.840
Back to Greek theatre again, aren't we?

635
00:47:03.900 --> 00:47:05.460
Yeah, she's allowed to take revenge.

636
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:06.420
It's proper.

637
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:08.519
But we get down to the Pandorica.

638
00:47:08.579 --> 00:47:14.099
And I love the way Matt, the lighting and how he shot while he's in that.

639
00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:16.019
Yeah, lovely bluey green.

640
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:17.699
Doesn't he look like Prince Philip?

641
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:19.380
He really does.

642
00:47:19.500 --> 00:47:20.460
Like not right now.

643
00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:40.860
But, you know, just the whole conversations down there, explanations like, you know, to Pandora, a restoration field powered by an exploding TARDIS at every point in history and, and, you know, talking to Amy about, you know, the girl who waited and bringing back all, you know, talking to her about the mum and dad, you know, I lost my mum and dad.

644
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:45.360
There's just so much richness in the explanations and what's going on.

645
00:47:45.420 --> 00:47:48.000
It's pulling everything together, unless you may not agree with me.

646
00:47:48.059 --> 00:47:48.719
No, no.

647
00:47:48.780 --> 00:47:58.679
I think the really interesting moment is the moment that Amy realises for the 1st time that she doesn't know what happened to her parents.

648
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:05.519
And because it's never come up in the narrative, we assume that there's a real story that we don't know about.

649
00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:07.860
But that's not how narrative works.

650
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:09.059
There's no real world.

651
00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:10.920
There's no fact of the matter.

652
00:48:10.980 --> 00:48:18.599
And so the fact that it's never been mentioned what happened to her parents ends up being a sign that no one actually knows.

653
00:48:18.780 --> 00:48:28.380
And we've seen the crack in her wall, suck people up. and no one remembers them right back in sort of episode five.

654
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:32.219
And so that's where we discover what happened to Amy's parents.

655
00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:35.699
But it's Moffatt does this all the time.

656
00:48:35.699 --> 00:48:39.960
And in a way that I think annoys people who love the universe.

657
00:48:40.019 --> 00:48:44.460
You know, there's an imagined universe that's consistent in which all these stories take place.

658
00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:50.219
Moffatt absolutely not only doesn't care about that, but is its active enemy.

659
00:48:50.280 --> 00:49:01.559
I think he's meta-ing the doctor and the construction of the last 30 years of something of Doctor Who in that you just keep forgetting your own past obliquely and very quickly.

660
00:49:01.619 --> 00:49:02.219
Yeah.

661
00:49:02.219 --> 00:49:09.420
I also think calling the doctor back into existence is what they've been doing for the last five, 6 years.

662
00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:13.139
How generous of the BBC to find so much fan fiction.

663
00:49:14.579 --> 00:49:17.340
Because that's all this is to me, really.

664
00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:18.840
I have to say it out bad.

665
00:49:18.900 --> 00:49:20.400
When someone says, do you want to talk to who I got?

666
00:49:20.460 --> 00:49:22.380
Oh, yes, I just watched Seeds of Doom the other day.

667
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:23.099
What?

668
00:49:24.360 --> 00:49:26.340
That is doctor.

669
00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:32.159
The way Matt underplays that scene.

670
00:49:32.219 --> 00:49:33.119
He does, doesn't he?

671
00:49:33.179 --> 00:49:34.440
is beautiful.

672
00:49:34.500 --> 00:49:40.440
It's tempting to make the joke that Tennant would have done it with lots of teeth breathing and what have you.

673
00:49:40.500 --> 00:49:50.400
But Tennant was capable of underplaying things, like in gridlock when he's talking about galafray, but even that is kind of heightened compared to what Matt Smith is doing here.

674
00:49:50.460 --> 00:50:01.199
Matt Smith here, he's talking about sacrificing himself to save Amy's parents, whom he has never met, plus the universe, plus the universe.

675
00:50:01.260 --> 00:50:04.440
But there's no...

676
00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:05.519
I could have done so much more.

677
00:50:05.579 --> 00:50:07.440
There's no I don't want to go.

678
00:50:07.500 --> 00:50:13.380
There is, this is the right thing to do and I'm the only one capable of doing it and you're going to have a wonderful life.

679
00:50:13.500 --> 00:50:18.300
It's also like that 12 minute speech earlier on, you know, if 12 minutes left to live.

680
00:50:18.360 --> 00:50:20.159
You can do a lot in 12 minutes, very short bath.

681
00:50:20.219 --> 00:50:25.139
You know, like there's no there's no kind of mopey weepiness about all of that.

682
00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:26.400
It's refreshing.

683
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:45.300
We're about 17 minutes or something like that from the end of the episode, and, you know, everything's resolved and back to normal.

684
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:49.500
So the plot has ended in a sense, but the story hasn't ended.

685
00:50:49.559 --> 00:50:58.860
And so the next 7 minutes we rewind through the doctor's life, but it's not really the doctor's life that we rewind through, is that it's Amy's story.

686
00:50:58.920 --> 00:50:59.760
Yeah.

687
00:50:59.820 --> 00:51:01.980
And it's the story of this season.

688
00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:07.559
And he explicitly says actually, I'm popping off before we get to the end of time part two.

689
00:51:07.619 --> 00:51:08.099
Thanks.

690
00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:10.380
No fares.

691
00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:22.260
But then we go back to the forest in flesh and stone with that particular scene, that seemed out of place at the time or not as avid fans would know.

692
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:27.119
And we go back, obviously, to, I mean, this house the night she waited for the doctor.

693
00:51:27.179 --> 00:51:31.019
And he came and he actually came and put it to bed.

694
00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:34.199
And that is the scene that makes me ugly cry.

695
00:51:34.260 --> 00:51:41.940
Every time when he puts her to bed and tells her a story and then says, I don't belong here anymore.

696
00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:42.599
I'm going to go.

697
00:51:42.659 --> 00:51:44.400
It's so beautifully done.

698
00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:46.619
And it's played.

699
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:47.820
It's absolutely played.

700
00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:50.280
Like, this is his last speech before he goes.

701
00:51:50.340 --> 00:52:01.440
But we later discover there's another meaning to that story because he tells the story of the Tartars and it does the most clever thing with it, I think.

702
00:52:01.500 --> 00:52:02.519
Which is?

703
00:52:02.579 --> 00:52:12.239
Well, you know, there's something old, something new. something borrowed, something blue, that old wedding thing, as Rory calls it.

704
00:52:12.300 --> 00:52:14.519
You know, we all know that.

705
00:52:14.579 --> 00:52:21.179
And applying that to the Tartars is so perfect and I don't know of anyone having done it before.

706
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:24.059
No, it's so obvious when you see it.

707
00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:28.199
And that's that's what's so good about Moffat at his best.

708
00:52:28.260 --> 00:52:28.980
I think.

709
00:52:29.099 --> 00:52:32.760
And so obvious when you, when you see it, but you would never have thought it.

710
00:52:32.820 --> 00:52:33.480
No, self.

711
00:52:33.539 --> 00:52:33.840
Yeah.

712
00:52:33.900 --> 00:52:34.559
Yeah.

713
00:52:34.619 --> 00:52:45.719
That last bit where Matt is talking to young Amelia and says like we're all stories in the end and then says, you know, daft old man who stole a magic box.

714
00:52:45.780 --> 00:52:52.139
I think that's the 1st time I knew who that it's actually really vocalised, that he stole a box, you know?

715
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:54.300
Yeah, like universe law.

716
00:52:54.360 --> 00:52:58.380
Because we've been highlighting Billy Harton all season, haven't we?

717
00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:00.719
As in going back to origins.

718
00:53:00.780 --> 00:53:11.099
This is the 1st time in the series, possibly since 5 doctors, that we've had 1st doctor explicitly shown on screen and because I'm talking about his library card.

719
00:53:11.159 --> 00:53:11.940
Oh, yeah.

720
00:53:11.940 --> 00:53:14.039
Just assume everybody's.

721
00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:16.260
Just goes back and watches that constantly.

722
00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:18.420
I do.

723
00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:20.579
I got a heart leap.

724
00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:25.139
You and I talked about this Todd back in the day when that was 1st on 2000 and whatever this is.

725
00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:29.159
And she's like, oh, he's really made me feel, oh, yeah.

726
00:53:29.219 --> 00:53:32.340
Okay, so yeah, it's definitely an origency.

727
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:33.059
Yeah.

728
00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:33.659
Yeah.

729
00:53:33.719 --> 00:53:35.340
And just the borrowing.

730
00:53:35.460 --> 00:53:43.019
I mean, that was something that the doctor used to say, but I don't think has said in the new series about the Tartars, and so it was always something borrowed.

731
00:53:43.139 --> 00:53:48.539
Yeah, and he even then says to Amelia, and therefore us, did I ever tell you I stole it?

732
00:53:48.599 --> 00:53:50.400
I was always gonna return it.

733
00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:52.320
You know?

734
00:53:52.380 --> 00:53:56.099
So it's Moffatt does all these knowing winks to the audience.

735
00:53:56.159 --> 00:54:05.519
By the time we get to Capaldi, like Capaldi actually delivers a fair chunk of dialogue down, the camera in a couple of episodes, but it's fine by then because we know that that's what this era does.

736
00:54:05.579 --> 00:54:09.179
The doctor will occasionally tell the companion things that he's directly telling us.

737
00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:10.139
Yeah.

738
00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:16.440
I think the scene ends beautifully as well when he decides to go into the crack and we don't see him do it.

739
00:54:16.500 --> 00:54:18.360
We just see it's a shadow play on the wall.

740
00:54:18.420 --> 00:54:24.119
You see the light coming from the crack and then you see Matt sort of figure heading towards it.

741
00:54:24.179 --> 00:54:28.559
And it would have looked stupid if you'd seen it, but that actually looks really beautiful, I think.

742
00:54:28.619 --> 00:54:36.000
And then we look at the, once he does that, we look at the window and the stars are all back. stars are all back.

743
00:54:36.059 --> 00:54:36.659
Yeah.

744
00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:48.659
And the world is at rights and we get to see Amy's mum and tiny little dad for a few scenes and they're never, they're not, Steve's not interested in exploring them ever again.

745
00:54:48.719 --> 00:54:51.420
So this is their moment to shine.

746
00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:58.619
Yes, it was my little one moment of having a mother in this whole season and you know how much I love that.

747
00:54:59.820 --> 00:55:01.679
Do you think she's good?

748
00:55:01.739 --> 00:55:10.619
She's a little bit like Amy with her husband, you know, your father made the breakfast so you can tip it out the window if it's an atrocity.

749
00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:13.139
I just think it's tremendous.

750
00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:17.880
Could we have had a whole series next year with them in the background as doting grandparents?

751
00:55:17.940 --> 00:55:18.480
I mean, who knows?

752
00:55:18.539 --> 00:55:19.860
Yeah, I mean, they would have worked.

753
00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:25.980
Brian Williams works quite well as a father in Series 7.

754
00:55:26.039 --> 00:55:26.820
Yeah.

755
00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:35.400
We've got Toby Haynes directing.

756
00:55:35.400 --> 00:55:37.199
We like.

757
00:55:37.260 --> 00:55:39.300
What else has he done?

758
00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:41.760
He done Sherlock and being human in Black Mirror.

759
00:55:41.820 --> 00:55:45.900
So yeah, it's very, and something's called Jonathan Strange and Dr. Narell, which I love the book.

760
00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:48.599
I didn't, haven't seen it as a, as a telling show.

761
00:55:48.659 --> 00:55:52.800
It's Peter Harness, a Doctor Who's Peter Harness, who writes it.

762
00:55:52.860 --> 00:55:55.739
What do we think about the direction of this one?

763
00:55:55.800 --> 00:55:57.599
Oh, I think it's stunning.

764
00:55:57.659 --> 00:56:02.099
I think it's very tight, and it's very, and you all touched on it.

765
00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:04.320
It's a really difficult piece to direct successfully.

766
00:56:04.380 --> 00:56:11.880
Yeah, well, it is for people speaking in a museum. you know, for people, 4.5 people and a dalek, chatting in a museum.

767
00:56:11.940 --> 00:56:13.440
It's tough to make interesting.

768
00:56:13.500 --> 00:56:22.619
Yeah, and you've got the same scenes repeated in different sequences, so you need to film them at the same time and make sure that all the angles and perspectives all work that editing sequence.

769
00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:27.179
Script editor Lindsay Alford has no entry on Wiki or anything else.

770
00:56:27.239 --> 00:56:31.019
I'm considering that Lindsay probably compressed.

771
00:56:31.500 --> 00:56:35.219
Quantum singularity. the season.

772
00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:39.900
I will say regarding the direction.

773
00:56:39.960 --> 00:56:42.300
I wasn't going to bring this up because it's a bit of a nitpick.

774
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:55.380
But at around 13 minutes and 35 seconds, when, around, around that, when Amy is doing the sort of height comparison with Amelia, there is actually a person.

775
00:56:55.440 --> 00:57:01.500
Ooh, just in the right of shot who realises the camera has pulled out and gets out of the way.

776
00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:07.199
And I did think, is it security guard Rory, but with Amy's eyeline, she would have seen him.

777
00:57:07.260 --> 00:57:13.079
It's a member of the crew. who, unfortunately, and they could have digitally painted them out.

778
00:57:13.139 --> 00:57:19.800
Like, it's literally just the cameras pulling back their, like, a fingers width into the screen as you're looking at the screen and then they go, oh.

779
00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:27.239
So, do you think it's the person with a clipboard in Earthshock doing a set tour?

780
00:57:27.300 --> 00:57:28.559
Yeah, it's Val McRriman.

781
00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:28.860
Yeah.

782
00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:33.000
Oh, I'm on camera again.

783
00:57:33.059 --> 00:57:38.159
But look, yes, aside from that, Toby Haynes does this very deftly.

784
00:57:38.219 --> 00:57:40.320
He was a Doctor Who fan.

785
00:57:40.380 --> 00:57:43.739
He had a subscription to Doctor Who magazine.

786
00:57:43.800 --> 00:57:50.519
Yeah, and, you know, he did all the wonderful stuff in Stonehenge last week and, of course, Foamhenge, just down the road.

787
00:57:51.900 --> 00:58:08.159
I like how some of the stuff in the wedding is actually filmed, like, you know, with River slowly walking past the windows, although I still don't get how she's there to give the diary, so she remembers the doctor as well.

788
00:58:08.219 --> 00:58:10.320
Is that just a space reason?

789
00:58:10.440 --> 00:58:12.119
collapse. total event collapse.

790
00:58:12.179 --> 00:58:14.159
And the book is blank.

791
00:58:14.159 --> 00:58:15.059
It's empty.

792
00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:34.019
And I love, again, it's just a moment of absolute magic where she's crying and we had this in Vincent and we had it last week where Amy is crying because there's someone who's not here who she doesn't even properly remember.

793
00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:39.599
But at the same time, he makes, he makes a joke out of it, like, you know, happy Mrs. Rory.

794
00:58:39.659 --> 00:58:40.500
No, I'm sad.

795
00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:40.920
Great.

796
00:58:40.980 --> 00:58:47.760
You know, you just like, you go, you know, you're affected and then you've got a bit of witticism.

797
00:58:47.820 --> 00:59:01.019
But maybe it's the whole thing that, you know, Amy remembers the doctrine when he comes back into existence, then river from the future knows what's going on, so she comes back to make it happen. just perform to make it happen, another loopy thing.

798
00:59:01.079 --> 00:59:01.739
I don't know.

799
00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:03.719
It's grasping at straw.

800
00:59:03.780 --> 00:59:06.000
It happens because it looks fantastic.

801
00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:12.719
And there's the slow motion, like the tear drops, you know, so it's absolutely magic.

802
00:59:12.780 --> 00:59:17.280
You know, magic uses blood and tears and things that represent things.

803
00:59:17.340 --> 00:59:23.760
You know, it's her tear falls onto something that represents the TARDIS that represents the doctor's absence from the story.

804
00:59:23.820 --> 00:59:27.719
All of those things happen and that's when she gets up and gives her speech.

805
00:59:27.780 --> 00:59:31.440
And her speech is absolutely superb.

806
00:59:31.559 --> 00:59:36.420
It's only then that we get something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue, isn't it?

807
00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:38.400
And then she yells at him.

808
00:59:38.460 --> 00:59:39.780
So good.

809
00:59:39.840 --> 00:59:42.780
Like she gets up to go on about her imaginary friend.

810
00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:48.659
Aunt Sharon's there rolling her eyes, you know, the mum is not this again.

811
00:59:48.719 --> 00:59:50.579
Yeah, I was plastic.

812
00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:54.119
You know, you get you get to see the bow tie and the...

813
00:59:54.119 --> 00:59:57.059
Yes, yeah, little shots of things that remind her of him.

814
00:59:57.119 --> 01:00:03.420
And I mean, the doctor did exist as the raggedy man as her imaginary friend. in this version of reality.

815
01:00:03.480 --> 01:00:05.460
It's just that he wasn't real.

816
01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:11.219
What do you think about, like, Amy saying you made definitely kiss the bride?

817
01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:13.500
Like, do you like that line?

818
01:00:13.800 --> 01:00:15.599
Oh yes, I do.

819
01:00:15.659 --> 01:00:16.679
Yeah, okay.

820
01:00:16.739 --> 01:00:17.880
See, I don't.

821
01:00:18.000 --> 01:00:19.980
Oh, come on, just give it up, girl, you know?

822
01:00:20.039 --> 01:00:22.139
But no, you're married now.

823
01:00:22.199 --> 01:00:24.059
And like he makes it quite clear.

824
01:00:24.119 --> 01:00:35.940
No, that's I'll leave that up to Mr. Pond and now it's Mr. Pond and like we're always like so complicit and it's, you know, you're talking about, you know, it's all about getting married, but in the end, he's taking on her name.

825
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:37.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

826
01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:39.420
Because she's the star.

827
01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:42.119
It's her name in the credits at the beginning at the moment.

828
01:00:42.179 --> 01:00:43.920
Arthur Darville's not in them.

829
01:00:43.980 --> 01:00:46.920
This is the diary of a fangirl, is it?

830
01:00:46.980 --> 01:00:49.380
If Billy Piper had been playing it.

831
01:00:49.500 --> 01:00:51.599
It's rather than a call girl.

832
01:00:51.659 --> 01:00:52.980
But it's so wonderful.

833
01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:54.000
It's so wonderful.

834
01:00:54.059 --> 01:01:01.139
That sort of thing is it doesn't work like that because, you know, the doctor doesn't understand things like pregnancy or football or anything like that.

835
01:01:01.199 --> 01:01:02.699
It doesn't work like that, doctor.

836
01:01:02.760 --> 01:01:04.139
He just goes, yeah, it does.

837
01:01:04.199 --> 01:01:05.820
And he goes, yeah, it does.

838
01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:13.380
You know, and so all of that stuff about having a snog in the bushes with Matt or you may definitely kiss the bride.

839
01:01:13.440 --> 01:01:19.019
Like there's no doubt, though, that it's Rory.

840
01:01:19.079 --> 01:01:26.699
She's absolutely in love with Rory and she's just being kind of slightly sexually aggressive in a funny way.

841
01:01:26.760 --> 01:01:35.880
And so it post-me too, that sort of comedy sexual aggression, you know, it's a little bit less problematic coming from a woman.

842
01:01:35.940 --> 01:01:43.619
But I do think in terms of Moffatt's, you know, 90s rom-com sitcom background, it's fun.

843
01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:44.940
It's intended to be fun.

844
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:49.679
I don't think that we're supposed to think that Amy will cheat on her husband or anything like that.

845
01:01:49.739 --> 01:01:50.760
We never imagined that for a second.

846
01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:52.619
No, no, I mean, I do agree.

847
01:01:52.679 --> 01:01:53.699
I just, I don't know.

848
01:01:53.760 --> 01:01:59.699
I just kind of think, oh, I'm kind of with you, Todd, in that, just by the time we get here, we've done this joke.

849
01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:00.719
Yeah.

850
01:02:00.780 --> 01:02:03.059
We've done this joke several times over the season.

851
01:02:03.179 --> 01:02:07.559
Except that she does want to have sex with him at the end of Legenstone.

852
01:02:07.619 --> 01:02:08.519
Yes, that's true.

853
01:02:08.639 --> 01:02:09.480
Yes.

854
01:02:10.019 --> 01:02:17.519
I don't I don't think you'd necessarily show evolution by doing the same joke again and say, oh, but this time we're kidding.

855
01:02:17.579 --> 01:02:19.199
You know what I mean?

856
01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:20.039
That's gross.

857
01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:23.400
Oh dear.

858
01:02:23.460 --> 01:02:24.719
I mean, it's a minor.

859
01:02:24.780 --> 01:02:25.860
It's a minor blip.

860
01:02:25.860 --> 01:02:29.159
And the fact the matter is, Matt's response to it is hilarious.

861
01:02:29.219 --> 01:02:30.000
Yeah.

862
01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:33.300
And Rose response to the comment later.

863
01:02:33.360 --> 01:02:35.940
It's my wedding, I can do what I want.

864
01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:37.679
Our wedding.

865
01:02:37.739 --> 01:02:42.539
I like how he's brushing his teeth, but he's dressed for the wedding.

866
01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:50.219
Like, he completely gets dressed, puts his tie on, his being, his little corsage thing, and then decides, oh, I better brush my teeth, I think.

867
01:02:50.219 --> 01:02:53.460
To be honest, when I brush my teeth in the morning, I'm usually fully dressed as well.

868
01:02:53.940 --> 01:02:56.400
Because I hate brushing my teeth, so I always put it off.

869
01:02:56.460 --> 01:02:58.260
But I would get it down my front.

870
01:02:58.320 --> 01:02:59.579
Oh, well, that's the thing.

871
01:02:59.699 --> 01:03:04.860
I sort of, I sort of, I sort of, you can't see me listening, but I'm jutting my chin forward.

872
01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:06.360
I sort of lean forward like that.

873
01:03:06.420 --> 01:03:10.260
That's why morning suits and dinner jackets have little bibs, little.

874
01:03:10.320 --> 01:03:12.179
That's the toothpaste.

875
01:03:12.239 --> 01:03:14.340
That's why they're white. and shiny.

876
01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:19.079
In the end, the doctor only came for the damn thing.

877
01:03:19.619 --> 01:03:21.659
It's so good.

878
01:03:21.719 --> 01:03:25.559
And his dancing is hilarious. with the kids. boys dancing.

879
01:03:25.619 --> 01:03:30.300
He just works so well with children like Matt just has that energy with them.

880
01:03:30.360 --> 01:03:35.940
But then you get that, but then you take that to the TARDIS, like, like with River and his conversation.

881
01:03:36.000 --> 01:03:36.719
Did you dance?

882
01:03:36.780 --> 01:03:37.800
You know?

883
01:03:37.860 --> 01:03:39.059
Yeah, yeah.

884
01:03:39.119 --> 01:03:40.920
And that, are you married?

885
01:03:40.980 --> 01:03:41.639
Are you asking?

886
01:03:41.699 --> 01:03:42.059
Yes.

887
01:03:42.119 --> 01:03:52.380
Well, the yes, yes, yes. enigmatic thing that we had, you know, at the end of flesh and stone, where the doctor asked River, can I trust you?

888
01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:57.420
And her response is, if you like, which I think is wonderful.

889
01:03:57.480 --> 01:04:11.820
And here she literally just gives nothing at all away, but it is absolutely 100% clear that the only possible non-stupid resolution to this mystery is yes, she is the doctor's wife.

890
01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:39.599
So, we're now, in the TARDIS, off on new adventures with Amy and Rory, they, well, they appear, like, from their wedding, and do we have something about the silence?

891
01:04:39.659 --> 01:04:40.860
I'm quite confused.

892
01:04:40.920 --> 01:04:44.760
Yeah, so the doctor's like, we still don't know why the Tardos exploded.

893
01:04:44.820 --> 01:04:48.840
It's something to do with the silence, the silence out there, and now I need to get the phone.

894
01:04:48.900 --> 01:04:49.980
Yeah.

895
01:04:50.039 --> 01:04:54.119
So we do get we do get that in season comedy moment.

896
01:04:54.179 --> 01:05:03.659
You know, there's a Egyptian goddess loose on the own express in space, and I fully expected that's what we were going to get for Christmas.

897
01:05:03.719 --> 01:05:04.380
Christmas.

898
01:05:04.440 --> 01:05:05.159
Yeah, yeah.

899
01:05:05.219 --> 01:05:05.639
Yep, yep.

900
01:05:05.699 --> 01:05:08.219
I think we end up getting something a lot better.

901
01:05:08.280 --> 01:05:13.980
It is, it's, again, a sort of funny sitcom line to emphasise they're off on new adventures.

902
01:05:14.039 --> 01:05:22.320
But the bit that I like is the moment when they say this is time to say goodbye because she's married.

903
01:05:22.440 --> 01:05:23.639
Her story is finished.

904
01:05:23.699 --> 01:05:28.139
She is like Vicki or Leila or Susan.

905
01:05:28.199 --> 01:05:29.940
Once a woman knows, she's dead.

906
01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:34.019
Yeah, or Joe. You have to leave the series once you're married.

907
01:05:34.079 --> 01:05:36.659
And Stephen subverts that.

908
01:05:36.719 --> 01:05:41.699
And this is also the 1st time where Rory willingly participates.

909
01:05:41.760 --> 01:05:43.800
And so they both go out.

910
01:05:43.860 --> 01:05:45.599
You know, she goes out to say goodbye.

911
01:05:45.659 --> 01:05:58.260
Yes, it's time to say goodbye, but it's time to say goodbye to Ledworth and it is that usual thing of having people say things that mean something different from what we expect.

912
01:05:58.320 --> 01:06:02.400
So we are sort of tricked for a moment into thinking that this is goodbye.

913
01:06:02.460 --> 01:06:05.219
But of course, it's not goodbye to the thing that we thought it was.

914
01:06:05.340 --> 01:06:10.139
And thanks to Russell, we have come to expect that the companion leaves in episode 13.

915
01:06:10.260 --> 01:06:10.739
Yeah.

916
01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:13.800
Especially if they have something to leave too.

917
01:06:13.860 --> 01:06:16.679
Like, you know, Martha leaves to look after her family.

918
01:06:16.739 --> 01:06:18.599
Amy and Rory are married.

919
01:06:18.659 --> 01:06:21.480
They're going to go off and have some boring children.

920
01:06:21.539 --> 01:06:25.079
But no, they're still going to fly off into time and space.

921
01:06:25.139 --> 01:06:26.880
They might not be boring.

922
01:06:27.960 --> 01:06:33.000
They just might be a puddle of stick on the floor, but more of that next year.

923
01:06:33.059 --> 01:06:33.599
Sorry.

924
01:06:33.599 --> 01:06:33.719
Sorry.

925
01:06:34.199 --> 01:06:36.360
Yes, it doesn't go world.

926
01:06:36.420 --> 01:06:39.480
No, it's a bit of a disaster.

927
01:06:39.539 --> 01:06:42.659
But I just think that this is an absolute high point.

928
01:06:42.719 --> 01:06:46.019
We get the hero music coming in at the very end.

929
01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:49.500
It's really, truly exciting and satisfying.

930
01:06:49.559 --> 01:07:07.679
And it is that thing you said before, Richard, where every previous season finale has been sort of bleak and terrible in some kind of way and to have this go out on such a high note with the story resolved and something very, very exciting over the horizon.

931
01:07:07.739 --> 01:07:10.679
I think it's one of Doctor Who's absolute high points ever.

932
01:07:10.739 --> 01:07:13.019
The last chapter of this novel.

933
01:07:13.079 --> 01:07:13.860
Yeah.

934
01:07:13.860 --> 01:07:14.219
Yeah.

935
01:07:14.280 --> 01:07:20.519
Yes. of this particular novel and it's leaving on a positive because we're going to come back in the sequel.

936
01:07:21.420 --> 01:07:24.179
The sequel novel, more adventures of this TARDIS team.

937
01:07:24.239 --> 01:07:25.260
Of the Tomorrow people.

938
01:07:25.679 --> 01:07:28.619
But it never has been like that, has it?

939
01:07:28.739 --> 01:07:31.320
The season has never been. might not be again.

940
01:07:31.380 --> 01:07:33.780
As you no, I don't think it ever will be again.

941
01:07:33.840 --> 01:07:36.539
It's unified and it says something.

942
01:07:36.599 --> 01:07:43.500
What did it get, 6.70000 viewers, audience appreciation of, I think, the highest, 89 or something?

943
01:07:43.559 --> 01:07:47.159
Okay, I'm sounding like dot, but not as informed.

944
01:07:47.219 --> 01:07:51.059
It also, because I think I was at the World Con this year.

945
01:07:51.119 --> 01:07:52.500
I remember getting, Yeah, I was.

946
01:07:52.559 --> 01:07:57.360
This is to the 2011 Hugo Awards presentation, which they have at World Conage year.

947
01:07:57.420 --> 01:07:58.019
This one won.

948
01:07:58.139 --> 01:08:04.800
This script won for, I think it's short performance drama, but it won the, it, Hugo's a big deals.

949
01:08:04.860 --> 01:08:09.960
Yeah, it won the Hugo for best short dramatic presentation.

950
01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:12.360
It's it's really something.

951
01:08:12.539 --> 01:08:15.780
I just think it's very cleverly written.

952
01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:32.939
It brings everything from this season to a, well, most things to a conclusion that, you know, there's still a few things that need to be answered next season, but the majority of Amy's journey to this point, there have been answers for, and it's deeply satisfying.

953
01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:38.039
I don't know if for Nick, whether we've actually explained.

954
01:08:42.359 --> 01:08:46.020
Well enough so that, you know, he...

955
01:08:46.199 --> 01:08:52.560
Maybe, maybe Nick, you've and listeners, you get it a bit more.

956
01:08:52.619 --> 01:08:55.319
I get it a bit more, but then I don't.

957
01:08:55.380 --> 01:08:57.420
So I think that's what it's supposed to be.

958
01:08:57.479 --> 01:09:01.380
Maybe the explanation was the confusion we all had along the way.

959
01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:19.140
Okay, so it is part two of a two part story, which means pics of the week.

960
01:09:19.260 --> 01:09:19.920
Todd.

961
01:09:19.979 --> 01:09:31.260
Well, I think that I should go with a deeply satisfying season finale that alludes to a marriage and it's just going to conclude a season just so wonderfully, like the whole plot lines for the whole season.

962
01:09:31.319 --> 01:09:32.939
So I'm going with the invasion of time.

963
01:09:33.239 --> 01:09:34.979
I thought so.

964
01:09:35.640 --> 01:09:41.939
From my favourite season of the 1970.

965
01:09:42.300 --> 01:09:43.560
Brace yourself for the box set.

966
01:09:45.779 --> 01:09:50.520
So please go and watch the invasion of time and then come and watch this and tell me which is better.

967
01:09:50.579 --> 01:09:51.600
Yeah, watch it twice.

968
01:09:51.659 --> 01:09:53.220
I actually love the invite.

969
01:09:53.279 --> 01:09:54.840
I do too.

970
01:09:54.899 --> 01:09:59.279
I could have nominated the Armageddon factor, but, you know, besides Mary Tam, it's a slog.

971
01:09:59.340 --> 01:10:00.840
We like our listeners.

972
01:10:01.439 --> 01:10:02.819
Right.

973
01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:07.260
My pick of the week is also marriage related, but it's marriage.

974
01:10:07.319 --> 01:10:08.159
It's great.

975
01:10:09.060 --> 01:10:11.100
I've just done it for a year.

976
01:10:11.159 --> 01:10:11.760
I might keep going.

977
01:10:11.939 --> 01:10:17.579
No, the what I'm picking, it's something we started watching recently.

978
01:10:17.640 --> 01:10:23.220
Rod saw it back when it was originally on, and this is my 1st time watching it, and it shows what might have happened to Amy and Rory.

979
01:10:23.279 --> 01:10:26.340
Had they decided to stay in Leadworth and have 2 boring children?

980
01:10:26.399 --> 01:10:29.279
And I think Richard is going to like this recommendation.

981
01:10:29.340 --> 01:10:34.260
It's butterflies featuring Wendy Craig and Jeffrey Palmer.

982
01:10:34.319 --> 01:10:35.699
Carla Lane.

983
01:10:35.760 --> 01:10:36.600
Yeah.

984
01:10:36.659 --> 01:10:39.420
Now, I am only halfway through season one.

985
01:10:39.479 --> 01:10:51.420
And I have no idea what happens with the relationships that Rhea, the lead, is forming both in her family and outside.

986
01:10:51.479 --> 01:10:52.439
Hello, Leonard.

987
01:10:52.500 --> 01:10:54.840
I haven't seen this since it was on.

988
01:10:54.899 --> 01:10:56.579
No, me either, but I did watch it.

989
01:10:56.640 --> 01:10:57.420
Yeah.

990
01:10:57.479 --> 01:11:12.300
So I'm only halfway through season one and I will say, especially for a modern audience expecting a sitcom, there is some, there is some confronting language in there and concepts, but it is done with a certain lightness of touch.

991
01:11:12.359 --> 01:11:20.880
It also has very young Nicholas Lyndhurst as one of her sons, one of her painfully thin sons, because it's 1978.

992
01:11:21.060 --> 01:11:23.939
Oh, wait, just on the Prince and the Pauper.

993
01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:25.560
If you ever saw that one.

994
01:11:25.619 --> 01:11:27.479
He's a good actor right from the word go.

995
01:11:27.539 --> 01:11:30.359
I think it's on Britbox if you want to see it.

996
01:11:30.420 --> 01:11:31.560
Yes.

997
01:11:31.619 --> 01:11:33.060
So butterflies.

998
01:11:33.720 --> 01:11:45.539
For me, if you like exploding things and time out of sequence and marriages that you hope will go right, but you expect they won't, I'm really enjoying Disney's the right stuff.

999
01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:47.579
I know shock horror.

1000
01:11:47.640 --> 01:11:53.880
It's Mad Men in space and it even has some of the same actors, but it's beautifully done, beautifully written, and it doesn't pull punches.

1001
01:11:53.939 --> 01:12:02.399
So it's the Thunderbirds crew, as in Scott, John, Alan, Gordon, and Virgil, but they're actually the mercury astronauts.

1002
01:12:03.300 --> 01:12:09.359
And considering these are based on real persons and they're only recently deceased.

1003
01:12:09.420 --> 01:12:15.899
It goes over the complexity, as I said, it's, it's, it's, um, madmen with rockets.

1004
01:12:15.960 --> 01:12:29.460
So it doesn't pull punches with people with real people's history, but it's very interesting and it doesn't paint Werner von Braun in anything but a truthful and historically accurate light.

1005
01:12:29.520 --> 01:12:31.920
It gets quite dark. really, really enjoying that.

1006
01:12:31.979 --> 01:12:39.659
And I also grabbed Doctor Who season 8 Blu-ray off Nathan's shelf because I just think everyone should have one.

1007
01:12:41.699 --> 01:12:44.039
Well, I'm going to pick something.

1008
01:12:44.100 --> 01:12:47.159
I guess we've had sort of rom-com things happening.

1009
01:12:47.340 --> 01:12:53.399
I'm going to pick a show called Love Victor, which I don't think I've mentioned before.

1010
01:12:53.699 --> 01:13:07.020
So you might remember Love Simon was a film in which a sort of well-off white kid who was gay, came out to his parents and nothing really bad happened and then he got a boyfriend and the whole thing ended.

1011
01:13:07.199 --> 01:13:09.300
I really liked it.

1012
01:13:09.359 --> 01:13:11.220
It was a good rom-com.

1013
01:13:11.279 --> 01:13:18.539
It was sort of fun and sweet and it was unusual to have just a gay rom-com that isn't about being gay necessarily.

1014
01:13:18.600 --> 01:13:25.079
But people observed at the time that it was very wise and very kind of middle class and stuff.

1015
01:13:25.140 --> 01:13:28.979
And so there is a sequel TV series.

1016
01:13:29.039 --> 01:13:45.180
It was originally going to be Disney, but they had a little bit of stage fright about it, and then it was released by Hulu, and it is about a kid who arrives in Atlanta after moving from Texas.

1017
01:13:45.239 --> 01:13:56.340
His family is Hispanic, they're working class or sort of kind of working class, and he has a much sort of rougher time, and it's slower, it's more complicated.

1018
01:13:56.399 --> 01:13:58.140
It's got a lovely cast of characters.

1019
01:13:58.199 --> 01:14:10.739
And I'm a bit of a sucker for TV shows set in schools just because, you know, I'm a schoolteacher and it's, again, nice to have a romantic comedy that centres on sort of gay concerns.

1020
01:14:10.800 --> 01:14:11.760
It's fun.

1021
01:14:11.819 --> 01:14:14.699
I really, really enjoyed it. it's quite moving in places as well.

1022
01:14:37.020 --> 01:14:40.140
Well, new listener, that's all we have time for this week.

1023
01:14:40.199 --> 01:14:48.479
We'll be back next week to revel in what might be Doctor Who's most coherent season ever in our Series 5 retrospective.

1024
01:14:48.479 --> 01:15:04.199
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts, and you can keep up with us at Flightthrough Entirety on Facebook, at FTE podcast on Twitter, and on our website, FlightthroughEntirety.com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger and Jody into Terror.

1025
01:15:04.439 --> 01:15:09.779
Until next time, if something can be remembered, it can come back.

1026
01:15:09.840 --> 01:15:21.119
So close your eyes, wish really hard, and one day, maybe, we can all sit down together and watch Zenia Merton dancing in Marco Polo, part three.

1027
01:15:21.720 --> 01:15:24.840
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1028
01:15:24.899 --> 01:15:27.539
I'm manifesting my house keys.

1029
01:15:27.659 --> 01:15:27.960
Good night.

1030
01:15:28.020 --> 01:15:30.720
See you soon Good, baby.

1031
01:15:33.840 --> 01:15:38.699
That was Flight through Entirety, starring Todd Building, Nathan Bottomley, Brendan Jones and Richard Stone.

1032
01:15:38.760 --> 01:15:40.859
Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb.

1033
01:15:40.920 --> 01:15:47.579
This episode, the Todd experience, was recorded on the 16th of May 2021, and released on the 6th of June.

1034
01:15:48.840 --> 01:15:55.140
Nothing is more ridiculous or miraculous than the continued love and support. we received from our listeners.

1035
01:15:55.199 --> 01:16:02.520
So this week I'd like to thank Liam McNicholas, who has been releasing incredible artwork every week to accompany our series 5 episodes.

1036
01:16:02.640 --> 01:16:05.760
Check him out on Twitter at Liam McNicholas.

1037
01:16:05.819 --> 01:16:07.680
There'll be a link in this week's show notes.

1038
01:16:14.760 --> 01:16:21.119
I don't know why it only says I have 2 hours and 4 minutes left on the, for recording.

1039
01:16:21.180 --> 01:16:22.199
And you've just cleared the card.

1040
01:16:22.199 --> 01:16:23.760
And I've just cleared the entire card.

1041
01:16:23.819 --> 01:16:26.640
We're not gonna go for 2 hours and 4 minutes, are we?

1042
01:16:26.699 --> 01:16:28.500
No, okay, good.

1043
01:16:28.560 --> 01:16:29.159
All right.

1044
01:16:29.220 --> 01:16:31.140
I've got Vincent and the doctor to put out.

1045
01:16:32.220 --> 01:16:34.560
Which means listening to it again.

1046
01:16:35.520 --> 01:16:42.720
Our title this week, by the way, is balancing the darkness, which I think is pretty good.

1047
01:16:42.779 --> 01:16:43.199
Yes.

1048
01:16:43.199 --> 01:16:43.739
Yes.

1049
01:16:43.800 --> 01:16:50.039
Given the rule that it has to be the guest on their 1st appearance.

1050
01:16:51.300 --> 01:16:52.859
Okay.

1051
01:16:52.920 --> 01:16:57.300
So everyone say something funny and compete for the title of this week's one.

1052
01:16:57.960 --> 01:17:07.979
We've already decided the title for the one that we recorded last week is Space Reasons because I'm desperate to get space reasons to happen.

1053
01:17:09.840 --> 01:17:10.979
Yes, we must do that this way.

1054
01:17:11.039 --> 01:17:12.479
It was Peter.

1055
01:17:12.779 --> 01:17:14.340
Peter.

1056
01:17:14.399 --> 01:17:23.460
And I just think space reasons are so much better than like, we're talking about stupid science fiction reasons, but space reasons is much funnier because it's like space corridors.

1057
01:17:23.760 --> 01:17:27.600
Space Reasons is something you can imagine being set in lower decks.

1058
01:17:27.659 --> 01:17:30.119
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1059
01:17:30.420 --> 01:17:33.180
Dr. Tana, what's caused with virus?

1060
01:17:33.239 --> 01:17:33.899
space reasons.

1061
01:17:33.960 --> 01:17:43.979
Well, I mean, I can actually literally hear it happening in Blake Severn series A. my degree, my degree in space critical theory.

1062
01:17:46.680 --> 01:17:48.239
All right.

1063
01:17:48.960 --> 01:17:51.300
Yeah, it works for me too.

1064
01:17:52.199 --> 01:17:54.960
All right, should we get started?

1065
01:17:55.020 --> 01:17:57.899
So I'm going to throw it to Todd at the beginning.

1066
01:17:57.960 --> 01:18:02.760
I mean, Todd's going to just start talking at the beginning rather than me throwing to him.

1067
01:18:05.819 --> 01:18:07.859
I watched this last night.

1068
01:18:07.920 --> 01:18:08.939
Yes.

1069
01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:11.819
And a week ago and before that.

1070
01:18:11.880 --> 01:18:12.899
Okay.

1071
01:18:14.279 --> 01:18:19.020
So Nathan Brendan told Richard the traditional order.

1072
01:18:19.140 --> 01:18:19.859
Yeah.

1073
01:18:19.920 --> 01:18:20.880
There we go.

1074
01:18:20.939 --> 01:18:21.479
Okay.

1075
01:18:22.260 --> 01:18:26.279
Hello, D-listener, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety.