WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 15:05:39 1 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:46.439 Hello, Delister, and welcome back to Flight of Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast that was sure there were 6 bullets in the cylinder of this revolver just a minute ago. 2 00:00:46.500 --> 00:00:47.880 I'm Nathan. 3 00:00:47.939 --> 00:00:49.140 I'm Brendan. 4 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:50.640 I'm Todd. 5 00:00:50.700 --> 00:01:03.780 I'm Maxwell Well, it seems like we've spent 3 months running around Utah with helicopters flying overhead, so I guess it's time to settle down, get a grip, and resolve every single mystery that we introduced last week. 6 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:11.040 It's one small step for a man and one giant leap in the history of arc-based storytelling. 7 00:01:11.099 --> 00:01:12.599 It's day of the moon. 8 00:01:21.719 --> 00:01:28.920 Do you know, I was born in between when last week's episode was set and when this week's episode is set. 9 00:01:28.980 --> 00:01:29.700 Oh wow. 10 00:01:29.760 --> 00:01:51.840 So the moon landing happened in a world that I existed in. and I was actually born between the broadcast of the 2nd last episode of Star Trek and the final episode Turnabout Intruder, which is one of the worst pieces of television, I think, ever to air in the history of the world. 11 00:01:51.900 --> 00:01:53.280 So there you go. 12 00:01:54.180 --> 00:01:55.920 But this isn't. 13 00:01:55.980 --> 00:01:58.019 No, this is really great. 14 00:01:58.079 --> 00:02:05.340 This is not, and rather charmingly, the moon landing actually happened while Spearhead from Space was being filmed. 15 00:02:05.640 --> 00:02:08.340 Ooh, on location. 16 00:02:08.340 --> 00:02:10.139 On the moon? 17 00:02:10.199 --> 00:02:15.240 On the moon. that's right Yeah, John Pertwin, his moon boot and his dinner suit. 18 00:02:15.300 --> 00:02:27.120 But the reason we know that is Carol and John has told us that she and John Pertwee bonded because in the pub everyone was staying at during filming for Spearheadrum space. 19 00:02:27.180 --> 00:02:37.740 John Pertwee was sitting in the TV room by himself, watching the moon landing, lamenting about how the rest of the casting crew were Philistines for not watching this moment in history. 20 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:39.180 So Carrie John went and joined it. 21 00:02:39.300 --> 00:02:42.240 Which is a very doctorary thing to do, isn't it? 22 00:02:42.300 --> 00:02:43.199 Yeah, yeah. 23 00:02:43.259 --> 00:02:44.520 He took the part very seriously. 24 00:02:44.699 --> 00:02:47.159 But also it's the effing moon. 25 00:02:47.219 --> 00:02:48.060 Come on people. 26 00:02:49.800 --> 00:02:52.800 Everyone else is just drinking a piping. 27 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:54.240 Like, yeah, yeah, we see it every night, whatever. 28 00:02:54.300 --> 00:02:54.840 Yeah. 29 00:02:54.840 --> 00:03:03.659 I think it does mean that John Pertwee and Carolyn John killed a whole bunch of silence in their time then after that. 30 00:03:03.719 --> 00:03:04.919 Oh, totally. 31 00:03:04.979 --> 00:03:05.819 Yeah. 32 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:08.219 Yeah, Carol and John hit them with her pipe. 33 00:03:09.419 --> 00:03:11.039 That's it. 34 00:03:11.460 --> 00:03:18.180 Dear, I can imagine myself as a 4 month old, you know, like biting their ankles or something like that. 35 00:03:19.379 --> 00:03:22.919 So how do we think the cliffhanger resolves itself? 36 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:29.520 Well, it's typical Stephen Moffatt, in that, the cliffhanger is not resolved to begin with. 37 00:03:29.580 --> 00:03:32.159 We start a completely different point in the story. 38 00:03:32.219 --> 00:03:40.439 Three months later, we've got Amy in the valley of the gods in Utah, and, you know, with lots of little markings on her and she gets shot by Canton. 39 00:03:40.500 --> 00:03:49.620 And then um, rivers in New York and America's occupied and so she decides to throw herself off the 50th floor of the whatever building that is. 40 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:51.120 They never say what it is. 41 00:03:51.180 --> 00:03:59.580 And then Rory is in the Glen Canyon Dam, and so he's got so many markings and he also gets shot by Canton. 42 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:03.539 And then he turns up at where is it? 43 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:10.259 Is it Area 51 with the doctor with a lot of um, uh, with a beard. 44 00:04:10.319 --> 00:04:21.959 And, you know, thank goodness that he's the one doing the shooting because otherwise, you know, Amy and Rory would possibly be dead, having to hold their breath for a very long time in those body bags. 45 00:04:22.860 --> 00:04:25.079 Okay, I'm so sorry. 46 00:04:25.139 --> 00:04:32.699 I love that that scene had so much tension and so much confusion and 0 no, Canton has betrayed them. 47 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:38.040 But I still, from a narrative standpoint, don't understand why that all happened. 48 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:47.160 And I get that he was playing a part and he was on their side all the time, but I don't understand why that needed to happen because Nixon is clearly not compromised by the silence. 49 00:04:47.220 --> 00:04:51.540 He's totally down with everything that the doctor and Amy and Rory and River want to do. 50 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:56.819 So I was trying to figure out what was going on there that they needed to be so deceptive about. 51 00:04:56.879 --> 00:05:09.720 And the only thing I could think of was that it was the FBI that was compromised because like Nixon said that he didn't trust them, but we also still never see a scene where the silence put the whammy on someone and be like, this is the subliminal message. 52 00:05:09.779 --> 00:05:17.459 So it was very unclear why that was happening, and I still don't really understand if the silence were involved in that at all. 53 00:05:17.519 --> 00:05:27.000 I mean, clearly they were to some degree, but, you know, it just doesn't make sense because, like, the person at the top, Nixon is, you know, obviously not calling the shots here. 54 00:05:27.060 --> 00:05:28.319 So what's going on? 55 00:05:28.379 --> 00:05:42.240 I think it's what we said last week and it is just that is something that Moffatt doesn't want you to push too hard against because it is a really, really spectacular and upsetting scene. 56 00:05:42.300 --> 00:05:45.899 Um, and confusing is exactly right. 57 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:48.839 But he doesn't let us stay confused for very long. 58 00:05:48.899 --> 00:05:55.199 I mean, by the time the opening credits come in, that's all resolved. 59 00:05:55.259 --> 00:06:00.779 So we aren't required to wait for a long time or hold that question in our heads for particularly long. 60 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:05.639 And we also aren't allowed to be too upset for too long, I think. 61 00:06:05.699 --> 00:06:14.100 I think it does go back to the fact that, you know, it's cinematic, we're reinforcing we're in America, we've got those locations, it all looks great. 62 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:27.720 Even the whole, um, the doctor in the, in the cell, the way in which that whole cell builds itself and then, you know, they're up out of their body bags. river goes diving into the swimming pool, you know, you know, there's a bit of a fun there. 63 00:06:27.779 --> 00:06:31.019 It's all to, you know, to get us back into the story. 64 00:06:31.079 --> 00:06:38.879 Yes, there's been a time jump with obvious plot points happening, which we haven't filled in yet, and now we're going to fill them in. 65 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:40.620 Yeah. 66 00:06:40.740 --> 00:06:43.319 So our flashback comes in in that section. 67 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:56.699 And what I find interesting is Moffat has said that he loves cliffhangers, that cliffhanger resolutions are very often sort of prosaic and dull. you know, in the 80s we criticised. 68 00:06:56.759 --> 00:06:58.379 You know, the cliffhanger's great. 69 00:06:58.439 --> 00:07:01.800 The doctor's forced to his knees and someone raised an axe above his head and what's the resolution? 70 00:07:01.920 --> 00:07:03.899 Another person wanders in and says, no, stop. 71 00:07:03.959 --> 00:07:07.980 You know, the Clitanger resolution is often less interesting. 72 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:23.160 So Moffatt, and he said this recently in an interview with Thumbjock 2 magazine about writing, is the reason there's so many time jumps in his work, is he's like, just cut to the interesting bits and make the dull bit a 2 line explanation of what's happened in the meantime. 73 00:07:23.220 --> 00:07:24.839 He's like, this isn't theatre. 74 00:07:24.899 --> 00:07:25.680 You can do that. 75 00:07:25.740 --> 00:07:27.540 And that's what he does here. 76 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:37.019 And then, yep, in the flashback, he gives us the prosaic cliffhanger explanation of Amy Shot went a bit wide and everyone ran back to the TARDIS. 77 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:50.579 It's like, Now, if that had happened in the 1st scene of the episode, you go, oh, I'm glad they're all safe, but instead you get this dynamic opening, which, as you say, Max, when you sort of scrutinised the narrative is like, uh, really? 78 00:07:50.639 --> 00:07:51.000 Okay. 79 00:07:51.060 --> 00:07:54.120 But it is visually interesting. 80 00:07:54.180 --> 00:08:06.420 And again, friend of the podcast, Matt H, when I was watching it with him, he's like, I love that Rory has clearly had the worst time of it because he is the most capable person aboard the TARD. 81 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:08.879 So he's seen the most amount of silence. 82 00:08:08.939 --> 00:08:12.480 He is the most dishevelled and he is the last to get caught. 83 00:08:13.620 --> 00:08:30.180 That's so funny that you mentioned the wide shot because if you actually look at the astronaut suit later on, and maybe this was still there in the 1st episode, you'll see the book where the bullet hit the suit, but didn't penetrate it because it has the crack around it. 84 00:08:30.180 --> 00:08:34.139 So I think she actually did hit the shell of the suit. 85 00:08:34.200 --> 00:08:34.919 Oh, yeah, yeah. 86 00:08:34.980 --> 00:08:36.539 But then she doesn't have the visor up, does she? 87 00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:37.919 No, she has the helmet on. 88 00:08:37.980 --> 00:08:39.000 Okay, whatever. 89 00:08:39.059 --> 00:08:40.080 I'm not gonna think about it too much. 90 00:08:40.139 --> 00:08:42.059 So she got the inner visor. 91 00:08:42.120 --> 00:08:42.419 Yeah. 92 00:08:42.419 --> 00:08:43.019 Yeah. 93 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:58.019 I think that what happens is the child is so small that its head is low in the visor and so the bit that she hits would have gone through an adult's head, but it misses because it's a child and the child is very small in this sort of massively oversized suit. 94 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:08.159 I also just had a disturbing realisation that if the whole idea is that the silence have compromised the FBI, but Nixon is the free agent here. 95 00:09:08.220 --> 00:09:12.720 That means we're on Nixon's side against the FBI, with how gross of a thought is that? 96 00:09:12.840 --> 00:09:18.059 compared to real events because now we're siding with Nick's son being like, oh, no, he was totally valid. 97 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:19.200 See, there were aliens. 98 00:09:19.679 --> 00:09:21.480 Oh, Chris. 99 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:32.340 This episode is much, much less Lydia than the last one. 100 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:45.539 So the last episode, despite the sort of weird time travel shenanigans we have with the 2 doctors, really just sort of goes from, you know, the picnic to the cafe to the TARDIS, to the Oval Office, to the warehouse. 101 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:53.039 Whereas this has a few things going on and it absolutely goes backwards and forwards kind of all the time. 102 00:09:53.220 --> 00:10:00.059 And so we leave the opening credits and we're going into, is it Greystark Hall? 103 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:01.620 Grey Star Orphanage? 104 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:02.519 Is that right? 105 00:10:02.879 --> 00:10:20.580 And again, I think that that's foregrounded because that's a massively more interesting and atmospheric moment in the story than what we flash back to, which is us standing in the TARDIS telling everyone what we learned last week and what the nano recorders do. 106 00:10:20.700 --> 00:10:23.159 You know, what's so interesting about that? 107 00:10:23.220 --> 00:10:27.360 See, it is that, 1st of all, there's no building in America called Grey Star Hall. 108 00:10:27.419 --> 00:10:28.500 It's entirely too British. 109 00:10:29.220 --> 00:10:31.320 Especially in Florida. 110 00:10:32.399 --> 00:10:33.779 Weird. 111 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:34.679 Second. 112 00:10:34.799 --> 00:10:37.500 I remember on my 2nd watch. 113 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:44.039 I forgetting that character, the creepy caretakers, that like weird kind of moonlight and magnolia is like southern drawl he has. 114 00:10:44.159 --> 00:10:47.039 I forgot that what his name was. 115 00:10:47.100 --> 00:10:51.179 And when the door opened, I was like, oh, it's like a Rainsford character from Dracula. 116 00:10:51.240 --> 00:10:52.980 And he's like, my name's Rainfrew. 117 00:10:53.100 --> 00:10:55.559 I'm like, oh, I see what you're doing there, Moffin. 118 00:10:55.620 --> 00:10:56.460 Very well done. 119 00:10:57.419 --> 00:11:06.480 It just reminds me of Angels episode. like you've got a creepy house with, you know, darkness and writing on the wall. 120 00:11:06.539 --> 00:11:19.740 He's sort of ripping off a bit of his own writing in that aspect, um, And then that's into come with, you know, the whole um, leto recorder stuff explanation that's going to be pivotal. 121 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:22.259 And of course, Amy's not told Rory that she's pregnant. 122 00:11:23.039 --> 00:11:26.100 The nano recorders, I think, are brilliant. 123 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:27.960 I think that they are really interesting. 124 00:11:28.019 --> 00:11:40.679 And Moffat has long had an obsession with telephones, including the pivotal kind of series 2 cliffhanger of press gang, which is just 2 characters staring at a telephone to see what's going to happen. 125 00:11:40.740 --> 00:11:45.360 And a lot of his stuff is around, you know, phone messages and stuff like that. 126 00:11:45.419 --> 00:11:47.039 I met him. 127 00:11:47.100 --> 00:12:02.580 Todd, you remember, at that day event where we met Stephen Moffat, and I actually asked him how you're doing a telephone joke in a World War 2 story, and of course, he has the TARDIS telephone ring, and someone call on that. 128 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:04.259 We had the telephone calls last week. 129 00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:09.600 It's all mysterious telephone calls from a little girl to the president. 130 00:12:09.659 --> 00:12:12.779 So these, this is like a phone answering machine. 131 00:12:12.840 --> 00:12:18.240 You know, and it even has the little LED light flashing to show you that you've got a message. 132 00:12:18.299 --> 00:12:21.480 And I think it is incredibly effective. 133 00:12:21.539 --> 00:12:31.200 And we see a trick here, that is a feature of those scenes in the orphanage, which is that we see things from the character's point of view. 134 00:12:31.259 --> 00:12:52.019 So when they see the silence and then forget them, we don't see that, what we see is, you know, the scene on either side of that that seems uninterrupted, so suddenly the character will have an extra mark on their face, or suddenly the character's thing will be flashing because they've encountered the silence, but we're not allowed to see it. 135 00:12:52.080 --> 00:13:01.500 And it's a similar trick to what is done with the weeping angels, which is not only do the characters never see the move, but we count as an observer. 136 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:03.899 So we don't see them move either. 137 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:17.279 And so it's a sort of standard directorial trick with the silence, which I think is incredibly effective because we get to feel what it's like to not know that we've encountered them. 138 00:13:17.340 --> 00:13:19.200 I think it's brilliant. 139 00:13:19.259 --> 00:13:19.919 I just love that. 140 00:13:19.980 --> 00:13:23.039 It's so creepy and it sort of just shocks you knowing that it's just happened. 141 00:13:23.100 --> 00:13:27.299 And then, you know, even in the TARDIS, with the creature in the TARDIS. like you know? 142 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:28.440 Oh my god. 143 00:13:28.500 --> 00:13:29.759 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 144 00:13:29.820 --> 00:13:34.740 I had kind of forgotten that scene to some degree, even though I actually watched it earlier this year. 145 00:13:34.799 --> 00:13:37.980 So, you know, what sort of year it's been. 146 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:43.980 The fact that Canton's nano recording is flashing when he's in the TARDIS. 147 00:13:44.039 --> 00:13:46.259 And you think, wait, there's a silence in here? 148 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:47.159 Like, what's happening? 149 00:13:47.220 --> 00:13:49.080 And Heath just thinks it's a mistake. 150 00:13:49.139 --> 00:13:52.440 Like he just says, no, no, no, like I didn't receive a message. 151 00:13:52.500 --> 00:13:53.639 And of course, he did. 152 00:13:53.700 --> 00:13:54.720 It's so well done. 153 00:13:54.779 --> 00:13:58.620 It sets that directorial trick up for us as well. 154 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:08.700 It gives us a little training wheels version of it where it's explained and so then he can go on to do it for all of those scenes in the orphanage. 155 00:14:08.759 --> 00:14:11.519 I think my challenge to my disbelief. 156 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:32.220 And all of this was the fact that we, um, as an audience had to accept the fact that we could get a clear 40 K holographic image from a 2011 flip phone. you just wouldn't believe the machine learning chip at the time. has. 157 00:14:32.279 --> 00:14:33.240 It's really something. 158 00:14:34.379 --> 00:14:49.980 You're talking about the flashing hand. like, you know, with Amy investigating, you know, with all the stuff on her face and when she looks up at that pod of the silence on the roof, it's just jump scanning, just creepy and I love the visuals. 159 00:14:50.039 --> 00:14:54.360 It's got a real time in the Rani kind of feel to it, doesn't it? 160 00:14:55.080 --> 00:14:58.320 Well, what? 161 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:00.360 Todd is grimacing. 162 00:15:00.539 --> 00:15:19.860 Well, you know, the tetraps hanging through the ceiling in time of the rowdy, although, you know, the chittering that they do and the fact that they're all like bunched up together against one another, like we observed last week, like it makes them really, it makes them really animalistic and kind of massively, massively off-putting. 163 00:15:19.919 --> 00:15:23.100 I think those scenes are as scary as anything that he's ever done. 164 00:15:24.419 --> 00:15:38.279 Much like time in the Rani, there was a physical cluster maquette model of the silence for a visual reference for Karen Gillan to look up at and ended up at the Doctor Who exhibition in London. 165 00:15:38.519 --> 00:15:49.799 And when I was teaching in the UK, I took a group of students to the Doctor Who exhibition and rather than pay for a guided tour, you know, I just used me because I can identify everything there. 166 00:15:49.860 --> 00:16:05.399 So when we got to that silence hang from the roof, I turned around and I said, now, you guys remember these ones, they're the silence, they're from last year's season, and the special thing about those is when you look away, you can't remember them. 167 00:16:05.460 --> 00:16:06.299 And I turn back to the group. 168 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:12.419 And then I turn back to the model and I said, now, these are the silence from last year's season and the thing about them. 169 00:16:12.779 --> 00:16:14.759 And how did that go down? 170 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:17.940 They actually loved it. 171 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:18.840 They actually loved it. 172 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:38.460 So one of the interesting things about it is that that seeing the silence and then turning away from them and saying the thing that you were saying before, like the actual forgetting the science is, even though it's horrifying sometimes, it's completely played for laughs at other times, I think. 173 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:39.840 That's really terribly clever. 174 00:16:39.899 --> 00:16:41.879 With all this spookiness. 175 00:16:41.940 --> 00:16:57.779 We intercut with the lecture theatre, which reminds me of the Castle Theatre, actually, um, from the 1960s, um, at City University, with river and Rory, the background, and Nixon, and I love Rivers look, and Rory's look. 176 00:16:57.840 --> 00:16:59.580 Oh, the Mad Men is FedEx. 177 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:01.200 The fashion design is fantastic. 178 00:17:01.259 --> 00:17:01.919 Oh, yes. 179 00:17:01.980 --> 00:17:15.059 What about the scene leading up to that where Amy rings the doctor and the doctor takes the call and then we discover that he's in the, you know, command module of the Apollo 11, which is just so fantastic. 180 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:19.980 And even though there's just a bit leftover thing, which is such a sort of dad joke. 181 00:17:20.039 --> 00:17:28.200 I mean, it's such a, you know, it's the observation that everyone makes when they're assembling IKEA furniture or repairing Bessie. 182 00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:30.119 You know, there's always one bit left over. 183 00:17:30.180 --> 00:17:33.480 It's a little bit of a limp joke, but it works so incredibly well. 184 00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:42.839 And that amazing CG pullout shot where we just move out away from the rocket and we see Kennedy Space Centre. 185 00:17:42.900 --> 00:17:44.759 It's so incredibly great. 186 00:17:44.819 --> 00:17:46.019 That's so brilliant. 187 00:17:46.079 --> 00:17:51.539 And then Matt, in the lecture theatre, trying to bite through the handcuffs. 188 00:17:51.660 --> 00:17:52.440 Why is he doing that? 189 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:12.720 This might be a good time to talk about how this episode was originally gonna pay off the Easter Island gag. 190 00:18:12.779 --> 00:18:13.799 Yes. 191 00:18:13.859 --> 00:18:20.759 I've been wondering about that So the doctor was going to keep the beard for much longer into the episode. 192 00:18:20.819 --> 00:18:35.519 So in the previously mentioned scene where he's explaining the nano recorder, after he finished his explanation, River was going to pull out a bowl of hot water and a straight razor and a towel and say, and now, darling, and he's like, no, I'm keeping a beard. 193 00:18:35.579 --> 00:18:36.240 Beards are cool. 194 00:18:36.299 --> 00:18:52.140 So he was going to have the beard when he was up in the lunar module and then when he's trying to bite through the handcuffs and then when he gets back into the Tartars, River was not going to uncuff him in order to then shave his beard off. a little bit kinky. 195 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:59.160 And then like, and then later on when he was talking to Nixon, he was going to be constantly distracted by the fact that she's done it wrong. 196 00:18:59.220 --> 00:19:00.539 My chin looks enormous. 197 00:19:03.180 --> 00:19:11.160 I was actually going to herald the return of the BBC press on Beard because it is really bad. 198 00:19:11.279 --> 00:19:12.720 Yes, it is. 199 00:19:12.779 --> 00:19:23.220 I think I think later on for the wedding of River song, he is allowed to grow his own, but this is very obviously a BBC press on state of decay beard. 200 00:19:23.279 --> 00:19:24.240 Yes. 201 00:19:24.240 --> 00:19:26.460 So 18 minutes in. 202 00:19:26.579 --> 00:19:32.039 A woman with an eye patch opens a sliding window and says she's just dreaming. 203 00:19:32.220 --> 00:19:35.279 So another mystery is set up. 204 00:19:35.940 --> 00:19:37.319 Yes. 205 00:19:37.380 --> 00:19:39.660 Is she credited in this episode? 206 00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:43.920 So this is eye patch lady whose name we will discover a bit later? 207 00:19:44.519 --> 00:19:48.119 Yeah, she is just credited as eye patch lady. 208 00:19:48.180 --> 00:19:49.079 Yeah. 209 00:19:49.140 --> 00:19:49.680 Yeah. 210 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:52.319 And that will obviously pay off later. 211 00:19:52.380 --> 00:19:56.279 And I think we're going to be reminded of it throughout the 1st half of the season. 212 00:19:56.339 --> 00:19:58.740 It does happen again next week, I think. 213 00:19:58.920 --> 00:20:10.079 Yeah, and look, Amy's investigating a child's room and we see pictures of, ultimately see a picture of Amy with the baby and um, and an astronaut enters from behind. 214 00:20:10.559 --> 00:20:18.000 I think this is utterly terrifying, this scene, like absolutely, incredibly frightening. 215 00:20:18.059 --> 00:20:25.259 And again, it's one of those moments where I think Karen's acting is slightly too good for the program. 216 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:42.299 Because, no, the reason that I say that, I think we probably say this about Caves of Andrazani, one of the reasons that what happens to Perry in Caves of Andrazani is so upsetting is because Nicola is doing too good a job. 217 00:20:42.359 --> 00:20:46.740 She's not doing kind of light entertainment scared acting. 218 00:20:46.799 --> 00:20:48.839 She's doing proper drama scared acting. 219 00:20:48.900 --> 00:20:50.640 And I think that's happening here. 220 00:20:50.640 --> 00:20:53.819 And it certainly happened last week when the doctor was shot. 221 00:20:53.880 --> 00:20:59.579 But she is so convincingly terrified in this that she really, really properly sells it. 222 00:20:59.579 --> 00:21:03.000 And it was a fairly terrifying scene already, I think. 223 00:21:03.299 --> 00:21:11.759 It's so much like lost in that kind of just Moffatt is hitting us again and again with just weird turns, weird questions. 224 00:21:11.819 --> 00:21:13.380 We're just WTF moments. 225 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:17.880 Like, when she picks up the picture of her holding the baby, you're just like, what is going on? 226 00:21:19.799 --> 00:21:21.539 And then, of course, eye patch lady. 227 00:21:21.599 --> 00:21:28.619 Yeah, so that means at this point we know that the little girl is the child that she's pregnant with. 228 00:21:28.680 --> 00:21:32.759 Um, and she says she's not pregnant. 229 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:37.019 Has she already told the doctor that she's not pregnant anymore? 230 00:21:37.079 --> 00:21:39.299 Yeah, she's like, oh, it was a mistake. 231 00:21:39.359 --> 00:21:46.920 We must know that because it's 3 months, you know, and she's still running around adventuring and stuff rather than taking it slightly easy. 232 00:21:46.980 --> 00:21:51.180 I don't know, but um, so something odd is going on there. 233 00:21:51.240 --> 00:22:07.079 And I wonder whether it's a sort of moffity cheat to get the pregnancy into episode one because, you know, we needed to be pregnant going on and we'll find out at the end of the episode that is a sort of shrading as pregnancy. 234 00:22:09.119 --> 00:22:13.920 But it is like absolutely confusing and terrifying, I think. 235 00:22:15.119 --> 00:22:23.579 And the thing for me is on 1st viewing, I definitely recall that when she screams and the scene ends. 236 00:22:23.640 --> 00:22:32.759 I thought, well, and you know, then when we got to later on in the season, I'm like, 0 my God, that's the moment she's abducted, but it can't be because she's already seen Madame Cavarian open the hatch. 237 00:22:32.819 --> 00:22:37.740 And this is another example, I think, of Stephen Moffatt wanting the audience to make up their own mind. 238 00:22:37.799 --> 00:23:01.500 There is no definitive moment of when she's taken because the next possible, obvious moment you think of is, oh, you know, river discovers those burn marks outside Amy's house in the Pandora opens, but it can't be then because we also discovered that Amy, the real Amy had to be aboard the TARDIS between the Big Bang and a Christmas carol. 239 00:23:01.559 --> 00:23:05.220 I think it's the 3 month interval where they're on the run that they took her. 240 00:23:05.279 --> 00:23:05.880 Fair enough. 241 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:06.660 Yeah that makes sense. 242 00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:10.859 I think it does make sense because she's on a planet infested by silence. 243 00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:16.559 And so you have to think that they have abducted her and taken her to Madame Cavarian. 244 00:23:16.619 --> 00:23:20.819 But at no point is that even addressed, is it? 245 00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:24.420 Like, I suppose it's not super important when it happened. 246 00:23:24.539 --> 00:23:26.460 It just happened. 247 00:23:26.460 --> 00:23:38.339 And it puts me in mind of the Doctor magazine comic ground zero, which friends of the podcast, Josh Snares, has just done a fantastic motion comic of on YouTube. 248 00:23:38.339 --> 00:23:48.539 Because in the lead up to that, there were these stories with past doctors where at some point in the story, a companion would be taken, but then returned at the end and you didn't know what that was about. 249 00:23:48.539 --> 00:23:51.240 And it turned out they were all in this big arc story at the end. 250 00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:56.460 And yeah, it sort of reminded me a bit of that. 251 00:23:56.519 --> 00:24:01.859 But yeah, here, you know, you see her get taken and locked up in the silence ship. 252 00:24:01.920 --> 00:24:06.720 But in a way, it sort of, it sort of wrongfoots us for when we find out later in the season. 253 00:24:06.779 --> 00:24:07.500 Oh, no, no, no. 254 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:08.460 She was taken ages ago. 255 00:24:08.519 --> 00:24:11.160 It's the usual Moffat thing of, no, I already told you this happened. 256 00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:13.500 Yeah, yeah. 257 00:24:13.559 --> 00:24:20.519 I think it's very disturbing when you actually actually find Amy's recording device that's out of her. 258 00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:23.339 Like, how do you get that out? 259 00:24:23.400 --> 00:24:32.759 You know, and Amy's crying on the other end and wonderful moment with Arthur, you know, and Rory, so resolute that, you know, um, that Amy knows that he's coming for her. 260 00:24:32.819 --> 00:24:35.039 I think all of that is just beautiful. 261 00:24:35.339 --> 00:24:42.059 Although it's so horribly undercut almost immediately when it's clear that she's calling for the doctor. 262 00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:54.480 Um, and like Rory tries to say face a bit by saying, I'm going to lead the doctor, you know, I'm going to lead you to her, but he is kind of embarrassed, I think, and humiliated by that. 263 00:24:54.539 --> 00:25:03.720 I actually find the weird resurrection of the love triangle between the doctor, Amy and Rory, a bit off putting here. 264 00:25:03.779 --> 00:25:05.940 I hated it so much in this. 265 00:25:08.099 --> 00:25:15.420 We said last year that from Amy's choice onwards in series five. 266 00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:25.200 There's no question at all that Amy loves Rory and cares for him more than she cares about the doctor. 267 00:25:25.259 --> 00:25:28.259 Like, I think that that's made absolutely clear. 268 00:25:28.319 --> 00:25:35.099 And all of the sort of attempts to have sex with him at the end of Time of Angels, you know, is a blip. 269 00:25:35.160 --> 00:25:41.579 All of that is thrown away because their love is made absolutely definite. 270 00:25:41.640 --> 00:26:18.299 And I think there's a really, really kind of heartbreaking juxtaposition of Amy calling for the doctor and Rory hearing her speak and assuming that she's referring to the doctor and the doctor sitting with Rory and asking him about his time as the lone centurion, where the incredible loyalty of Rory is emphas at a time where we can't tell whether Amy feels the same way. 271 00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:29.519 And I mean, it is resolved by kind of Rory being told not to be so silly, you know, and she sort of earned that, I think. 272 00:26:29.579 --> 00:26:31.380 I think she has sort of earned that. 273 00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:34.740 But it does seem like a bit of a cheat. 274 00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:37.920 I'm not quite sure why why we're doing that. 275 00:26:37.980 --> 00:26:42.299 It's a beautiful conversation between the doctor and Rory. written that down here in my notes. 276 00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:49.140 But I mean, even later in the episode where again, Roy says, I wasn't sure who you were talking about and they kiss. 277 00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:58.259 I think there are some beats in this, again with the Rory, Amy, doctor relationship, Nathan, which I agree with you, which don't sit well with me. 278 00:26:58.440 --> 00:27:00.839 Hmm, I thought we were over it. 279 00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:05.579 It's just Amy being like, you stupid face, and like, how could you think that? 280 00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:11.400 Amy, to me, is just like gaslight, girl boss ginger. 281 00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:16.319 She's so like toxic sometimes. 282 00:27:16.380 --> 00:27:19.740 And I get that she has like a really screwed up childhood and whatever. 283 00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:22.980 But like, I'm on her side until she does something so, like, rude. 284 00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:25.440 And I'm like, Amy, slow your roll. 285 00:27:25.500 --> 00:27:28.019 Like, stop like whipping this man. 286 00:27:28.140 --> 00:27:34.559 See, I think that Stephen Moffatt likes being treated like that by women and that's why... 287 00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:36.180 He's a dirty little piggy. 288 00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:36.839 Yeah, yeah. 289 00:27:36.900 --> 00:27:42.059 And to be fair, both the doctor and Rory do have stupid faces. 290 00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:43.920 So there is that too. 291 00:27:43.980 --> 00:27:45.960 It's a built in ambiguity. 292 00:27:46.019 --> 00:27:48.119 They're what I like to call a weird hob. 293 00:27:48.180 --> 00:27:49.799 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 294 00:27:49.859 --> 00:27:50.099 Yeah. 295 00:27:50.160 --> 00:28:01.680 But even at the end, you know, when the doctor's talking to Amy about, you know, why shouldn't tell Rory she was pregnant and he's got the listening device, you know, to listen to that and then they sort of resolve it. 296 00:28:01.740 --> 00:28:06.000 It's, I just kind of go, to be needed? 297 00:28:06.599 --> 00:28:17.940 I think that's made okay, though, by the fact that Amy makes it clear that she knew all along that Rory was listening, that she wasn't speaking behind his back at all. 298 00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:25.500 She knew that he was listening in and then she calls him in to say, all right, come on, I'm going to take that off you if you're going to use it to spy on me. 299 00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:30.480 So it does seem much worse than it actually ends up being, I think. 300 00:28:30.539 --> 00:28:36.359 Yeah, I find it a cheap joke and I kind of think, you know, like to be really needed. 301 00:28:36.420 --> 00:28:42.000 Like, just adds to that little bit in this episode where I think, personally, I don't like this episode as much as last week. 302 00:28:42.059 --> 00:28:54.779 Like if last week I gave a 9 out of 10 here, I think it's an 8 and there's just some little things in here that, and even with the resolution of the season and what's to come, retrospectively, I look back on it and think it's, the shine takes off just a little for me anyway. 303 00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:56.759 Yeah, yeah. 304 00:28:56.819 --> 00:28:57.299 It's fair. 305 00:28:57.420 --> 00:29:11.940 As we're talking about relationships, I'd also like to mention something from the end, which is the reveal that the reason that Canton left or was kicked out of the FBI is that he is in a relationship with a man whom he wants to marry. 306 00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:22.619 And I think this highlights that Stephen Moffat does at this stage have a little bit of a problem in writing for queer characters. 307 00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:27.359 And if we look back at coupling, which was, you know, his other big success before this. 308 00:29:27.420 --> 00:29:32.519 Like, I know he had press gang and joking apart, which were very popular, coupling is what sort of catapulted him into the spotlight. 309 00:29:32.579 --> 00:29:37.559 There's one explicitly gay character throughout the whole thing. 310 00:29:37.619 --> 00:29:48.359 And Stephen Moffat, 1st of all, has Jane constantly trying to seduce him as a comedy thing, but also he's like, how can I make a gay character interesting? 311 00:29:48.420 --> 00:29:50.759 I'll make him a huge fan of Margaret Thatcher. 312 00:29:51.539 --> 00:29:53.339 Yeah, yeah. 313 00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:53.880 What? 314 00:29:53.940 --> 00:29:54.660 Yeah, yeah. 315 00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:56.460 How is that a choice? 316 00:29:56.759 --> 00:30:00.359 And you know, also, how do I define him as gay? 317 00:30:00.420 --> 00:30:07.079 I'll have him say, when I was born, I turned around and said, don't turn me back in that big scary cave, you know? 318 00:30:07.140 --> 00:30:13.200 And it's just, it's straight writers writing for gay characters, sort of cheat book. 319 00:30:13.259 --> 00:30:21.359 And here, um, obviously, we can't rewrite history to have same-sex marriage be legal in 1969. 320 00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:27.000 But the fact that it is a Canton sexuality is a punchline. 321 00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:37.799 It still makes me chuckle in a dark way, but I'm kind of like one of the things that Moffat was criticised for in series 5 is it's like there's no queer rep in the show. 322 00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:40.380 And Moffatt even spoke about that in an interview. 323 00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:41.220 He was like, you know what? 324 00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:44.700 It didn't occur to me and that is a problem and I'm going to address it. 325 00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:51.660 And the characters here dresses it with in this season. 1st of all, there's Canton. 326 00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:56.640 And 2nd of all, there's the couple in, um, a good man goes to war. 327 00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:02.460 And also Jenny and Vastra and how their relationship is sort of treated. 328 00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:04.380 It kind of like, oh, Stephen, you're trying. 329 00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:06.779 Yeah, I can see that you're trying. 330 00:31:06.900 --> 00:31:11.160 Although the line, this is my, this is my lizard wife from the dawn of time. 331 00:31:11.220 --> 00:31:12.119 It was pretty great. 332 00:31:12.180 --> 00:31:13.380 Yes, that is a great life. 333 00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:16.559 Yeah, Jenny and Bastor's relationship gets better as it goes along. absolutely. 334 00:31:16.980 --> 00:31:21.059 I have to say though, that he is genuinely trying. 335 00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:22.079 I do think he's trying. 336 00:31:22.140 --> 00:31:38.460 And I do think that making a character that is integral to the plot, who gets to be part of the main team, and who is really good and really competent and terribly likably played by Mark Shepard, and then revealing that he's gay at the end. 337 00:31:38.579 --> 00:31:41.940 You know, like, I think there's something to be said for that. 338 00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:43.019 That's okay. 339 00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:52.500 And I do think it gives like the punchline, which is Nixon pulls a face because he's gay. 340 00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:54.779 And remember, Nixon is a horrible person. 341 00:31:55.079 --> 00:32:05.099 And he's got all of those prosthetics and he does pull this sort of hilarious Google-eyed, rubber face kind of eye-rolling thing at the very end. 342 00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:07.680 I also like tend to think that's funny. 343 00:32:07.740 --> 00:32:13.680 I actually think that we overestimate how good Doctor Who is at queer representation generally. 344 00:32:13.740 --> 00:32:22.200 And even in the RTD era, there isn't all that much of it. everyone assumes there is, but there actually isn't really. 345 00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:26.579 Yeah, yeah, it's got a gay sensibility. 346 00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:29.460 It's got an absolute gay sensibility for sure. 347 00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:38.700 And so I've, you know, I think we feel included in that for that very reason, you know, in a real way it's made for us on all sorts of levels. 348 00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:42.359 But the explicit queer representation is pretty rare. 349 00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:46.619 And I don't think Doctor Who has ever really got that right. 350 00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:54.480 I think, you know, there's Praxius, which I think is a really, really good example of that actually going well. 351 00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:56.460 But I can't think of many others. 352 00:32:56.519 --> 00:32:58.619 I'd make an argument for Bill. 353 00:32:58.680 --> 00:32:59.700 Oh, yeah. 354 00:32:59.700 --> 00:33:18.960 Because I know that's later days, but I will say when it came to that romance or whatever that was, even though there wasn't a lot of development there, I did like the queering of those characters and I thought it very romantic in a very kind of two-dimensional way that I, you know, I could see myself, I guess, as a lesbian being like, this is really cute. 355 00:33:19.019 --> 00:33:19.440 I love it. 356 00:33:19.500 --> 00:33:33.299 My problem with Bill was the fact that she was a black woman who was subjected to a lot of violence and trauma, that other pretty white Jenna Coleman's, God bless them, were not subjugated to too much throughout the series. 357 00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:36.059 And I think that just really bothered me, especially her getting shot. 358 00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:36.900 That was a really big thing. 359 00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:42.660 But I did like the queering of Bill and Heather slash alien goop lady. 360 00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:43.799 I thought that was cute. 361 00:33:43.859 --> 00:33:45.180 Gwyneth Paltrow. 362 00:33:48.420 --> 00:34:08.519 I have to say that one of the things that Moffat does is torture his regular characters, and I think that part of the problem is that there's a sort of I'm colourblind approach to what Moffat does or what happens to black characters in Moffat's era, which is not good enough. 363 00:34:08.579 --> 00:34:09.599 Do you know what I mean? 364 00:34:09.659 --> 00:34:11.159 Which is it's a problem. 365 00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:28.199 Yeah, it's more like, I'd be okay if that was universal, but there are certain things I think you should avoid with people of colour in terms of violence, in the context of fiction, and one of those things is anything too close to the real world or that's a pervasive problem. 366 00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:32.280 And just, you know, shooting the shooting a black character. 367 00:34:32.340 --> 00:34:42.480 I think maybe that maybe resonates with me more as an American who's just like one of the gross ills of our society is just how many black people get shot on a daily basis by the police in America. 368 00:34:42.539 --> 00:34:44.820 But seeing that to Bill. 369 00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:46.019 That was the 1st thing I thought of. 370 00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:47.159 And it was really upsetting. 371 00:34:47.219 --> 00:34:49.320 It just like the whole wide shot with the whole other stomach. 372 00:34:49.380 --> 00:34:50.219 I was like, this is not okay. 373 00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:52.139 But that's later days. 374 00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:54.599 Let's talk about, let's talk about Day of the Moon. 375 00:34:54.659 --> 00:35:13.079 It's very interesting because, like, throughout the whole episode, Stephen leads you on a path to think that Canton's just going out with a black woman, not a man, and that just seems, that just seems to be thrown in at the end that, oh, no, it's not a woman, it's actually a man. 376 00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:24.599 So he says he wants to get married and that's why he got kicked out of the FBI and then someone, Amy perhaps says it's not a crime, is it? 377 00:35:24.659 --> 00:35:26.039 And he says, yes, it is. 378 00:35:26.099 --> 00:35:28.739 And so that's a hint, okay? 379 00:35:28.980 --> 00:35:31.260 beforehand. 380 00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:38.820 And then, of course, and and you know, like our default is to assume that characters are heterosexual, that's what people do. 381 00:35:38.820 --> 00:35:42.960 They just assume that unless told otherwise characters are heterosexual. 382 00:35:43.019 --> 00:35:47.400 I get asked questions by people on the phone about my wife. from time to time. 383 00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:53.099 And so there's a hint that he's queer, you know, before the show ends. 384 00:35:53.099 --> 00:35:59.039 And I love the fact that Nixon guesses wrong, but doesn't guess wrong. 385 00:35:59.099 --> 00:36:07.320 Guesses that the problem is that he wants to marry someone black and then talks about I'm a bit more liberal than you know, people give me credit for. 386 00:36:07.380 --> 00:36:14.940 You know, like it's actually sort of quite a good moment and then suddenly, no, that's a bridge too far in 1969. 387 00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:21.360 So I think it's a well constructed gag and, you know, like I'm prepared to give it a pass. 388 00:36:21.420 --> 00:36:28.260 And I think I'm prepared to see Stephen Moffatt actually growing and responding to criticism in that area, I think. 389 00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:30.599 He won't get it right for a while though. 390 00:36:40.440 --> 00:37:04.260 Speaking of, like, Canton, I think it's really great that he gets to film the silence for what becomes such a pivotal moment in this particular episode with the landing on the moon and the using of that footage, but the fact that the silence has been here and influence humans for 1000s of years, is quite, um, I don't know, it's sort of like I sat there going, 1st time through going, oh, really? 391 00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:15.360 Like, you know, suddenly you're reinventing the wheel by putting them into the history of the show, but it's actually, again, it's a very Stephen Moffatt thing to do, and it's, it's rather brilliant, I think, in retrospect. 392 00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:26.760 I would have been more okay with that if the payoff, because we don't really know who the silence are until the end of or the middle of this season. 393 00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:48.059 And for me, that almost felt like sort of a, maybe something that was in the original draft that didn't get edited out because we ultimately find out that they're a religious order whose whole, like, you know, modus operada is trying to kill the doctor to prevent him from, you know, reigniting the time war, and I won't get too much into that because it's coming up later on. 394 00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:53.340 But that really undercut the silence for me as a terrifying villain. 395 00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:57.179 So yeah, for who they built them up to be, it did not pay off. 396 00:37:57.239 --> 00:38:02.519 I thought they were going to be some real, like kind of like love crafting, super sinister. 397 00:38:02.579 --> 00:38:04.920 Maybe we wouldn't really fully comprehend their motives. 398 00:38:04.980 --> 00:38:08.699 Like, what they represented as these really terrifying, bizarre. 399 00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:23.760 Like, again, love crafty and villains, in my eyes, was not what it ended up being, which I can see why the stylist would want to invest that much time on the back end of the planet's history to screw with the doctor, but it just the payoff wasn't there for me in regards to them. 400 00:38:23.820 --> 00:38:24.900 It undercut them as villains. 401 00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:27.960 But you see, I don't care a bad man. 402 00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:29.940 Which is fine. 403 00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:36.659 What I think is super, super interesting and fantastic is, again, Moffat rewriting the history of the show. 404 00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:47.699 I mean, I don't know how the silence kind of influenced human evolution unless it was like on Scaroff and the Fendal's day off. you know what I mean? 405 00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:49.320 Or Azal, frankly. 406 00:38:49.380 --> 00:38:53.280 Like all of the other monsters that have influenced human evolution. 407 00:38:53.340 --> 00:38:59.099 And so what he does is he rewrites human history, it's not the silence doing it. 408 00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:05.519 It's Moffat rewrites human history and inserts these terrifying monsters into it so that they're around all the time. 409 00:39:05.579 --> 00:39:07.320 They're like the Vasht Narada. 410 00:39:07.380 --> 00:39:14.340 They're on your planet and they will get you when you're not looking and they're responsible for all of the scary things that happen. 411 00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:30.059 I think later, in time of the doctor, when we discover that they're a scary religious order or whatever, that that is just essentially Moffat going, here's a hilarious gag about this thing that I never got round to resolving and don't really care about. 412 00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:35.760 And so my feeling is that the silence as a religious order is a joke. 413 00:39:35.820 --> 00:39:36.960 Do you know what I mean? 414 00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:42.000 And I don't think it affects the way that we end up kind of feeling about them here. 415 00:39:42.059 --> 00:39:44.820 And the story needs them to be. 416 00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:46.860 As you said last week, Maxwell. 417 00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:49.500 This kind of terrifying presence. 418 00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:50.579 They're always there. 419 00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:51.780 They're always in the background. 420 00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:53.400 They're the source of our paranoia. 421 00:39:53.460 --> 00:39:57.480 They're the source of the paranoia in the US in 1969. 422 00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:08.280 But Moffat always tries to make his monsters a threat to you, the audience, which is why he's not interested in sort of lizard people invading the home counties or anything like that. 423 00:40:08.340 --> 00:40:17.579 The monster always has to be under your bed, whether it's a face spider or an angel or the bastard or the silence. 424 00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:19.619 That's what he tries to do. 425 00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:35.159 And so, and and also, for the purposes of the resolution, he needs to make them absolutely terrifying and omnipresent and utterly, utterly evil so that it's all right to shoot them in the face when you encounter them. 426 00:40:35.219 --> 00:40:40.260 They really capitalise on America's propensity for violence in the end, don't they? 427 00:40:41.820 --> 00:40:43.860 Did you forget where you were? 428 00:40:43.980 --> 00:40:45.239 Bang, bang. 429 00:40:46.019 --> 00:40:48.480 But there's more of them in America. 430 00:40:48.539 --> 00:40:51.179 So hence the more gun violence, I think. 431 00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:52.920 They're concentrated in America. 432 00:40:52.980 --> 00:40:59.579 So you all have guns so that you can shoot the silence whenever you see them. such a grim fight. 433 00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:21.239 I think I'm with Maxwell on this, in that, I think for these 2 partters, like they're built up to be these scary things and we've been waiting for them to arrive, but I actually do think what happens down the track with the religious order and how they're sort of subordinate to other things makes them less scarier later on, which for me does influence my feelings about them now. 434 00:41:21.300 --> 00:41:34.559 But it doesn't stop the fact that I think the whole use of the moon landing and you should kill us all on site, like the whole use of that editing of that sequence and as that happens, is nothing short of, I think, wonderful television. 435 00:41:34.619 --> 00:41:35.880 Yes, absolutely. 436 00:41:35.940 --> 00:41:51.599 Oh, and using the footage from NASA command, where, of course, you know, those cameras were on these poor, tired workers, and so they're blinking and whatever, and they use the footage of them kind of blinking as the kind of like, oh, we've got a subliminal message now. 437 00:41:51.659 --> 00:41:55.679 Using that real footage in that context was so clever. 438 00:41:55.739 --> 00:42:12.900 And God bless the archivist who had to just wait for like a shift through hours of footage of like Houston or whatever, waiting for some poor, tired guy who's probably been chain smoking all day and drinking liquid lunches to just like blink or like, you know, just kind of do this for a 2nd just to get that clip. 439 00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:14.579 Like, come on, that's great. 440 00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:16.199 Use real history. beautiful. 441 00:42:16.260 --> 00:42:20.760 Having worked on an archive documentary series last year, it is exactly that. 442 00:42:20.820 --> 00:42:28.199 It is trawling through newsreels to find just the right emotion on Hitler's face to support the voiceover. 443 00:42:29.340 --> 00:42:32.579 With the you should kill us all on site. 444 00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:37.500 And the retrospect of knowing, you know, what the silence are. 445 00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:44.519 I look at that line now and I think, is that the silence gloating or is that the silence ashamed? 446 00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:47.940 Because we find out that they are a splinter group. 447 00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:49.500 Of the church? 448 00:42:49.739 --> 00:42:52.860 They're not the church itself. 449 00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:57.119 They are a splinter group. and is this the silence saying, yeah, you should kill us all on site. 450 00:42:57.179 --> 00:42:57.719 Ha, ha, ha. 451 00:42:57.780 --> 00:42:59.519 Or is it someone saying, please kill us. 452 00:42:59.579 --> 00:43:01.980 We, you know, we are being used. 453 00:43:02.219 --> 00:43:18.960 It's, it's ambiguous and look, I think there is more in the text to support them being villainous than that reading I just gave, but it is layered and built upon because the other thing I sort of look at is, why else would the silence say that? 454 00:43:18.960 --> 00:43:31.260 Like, okay, it could be gloating and we think it may have enjoyed killing Joy last week and it may enjoy what it's doing, or does its voice just sound scary? 455 00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:32.820 So anything it says is scary. 456 00:43:32.940 --> 00:43:34.860 Or did Marfa just need that line? 457 00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:47.099 Yeah, it's like sometimes people in Moffat scripts say things that you need to move the plot forward like when the doctor says, no one says saved, you say safe. 458 00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:53.519 It's like, no, no, lots of people say saved in the context of 20 people saved. 459 00:43:53.579 --> 00:43:55.739 Steve, I'm going to go with you. 460 00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:56.579 Okay. 461 00:43:56.639 --> 00:43:58.920 But that's tenuous. 462 00:43:58.980 --> 00:44:06.599 But yeah, it's it is an amazing moment of triumph. 463 00:44:07.019 --> 00:44:21.420 But it also brings to me the thing that makes me slightly uncomfortable about this season, which is the doctor waltzes in and does his usual thing of saying, right, I'm giving you a chance to get off this planet before I enact my plan. 464 00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:23.699 But then when he enacts the plan. 465 00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:26.159 He says I was never going to give you a chance to escape. 466 00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:33.000 It really shocked me in 2011 when I saw that because I'm like, well, no hold on. 467 00:44:33.059 --> 00:44:39.780 As ranty and toothy as David Tennant ever got, it was always, I'm giving you a chance. 468 00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:48.960 You know, he even walked up to Dalek Khan at the end of the evolution of the Daleks and said, look, let's just work together with the last 2 survivors. 469 00:44:49.019 --> 00:44:52.199 You know, he said that to a dalek, but now... 470 00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:54.719 The doctor is merciless. 471 00:44:54.780 --> 00:44:57.360 And it's, I don't think it's a mistake. 472 00:44:57.420 --> 00:45:03.900 I think it's a conscious choice and I think it's an interesting dramatic choice, but it makes me feel uncomfortable as a long-term viewer. 473 00:45:04.619 --> 00:45:06.659 I really like it. 474 00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:08.099 I have to say. 475 00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:18.360 I like the fact that Moffat's doctors are a problem, that they're not sort of unambiguously good guys. 476 00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:32.159 And, you know, the doctor's refusal to have a gun himself, but his admission that he finds River with a gun actually kind of hot, which, fair enough, she absolutely is like incredible. 477 00:45:33.659 --> 00:45:43.139 But, but also the fact that he has constructed these aliens to be the sort of thing that it's right for you to kill. 478 00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:49.500 And why is it right to kill them because they are oppressing us? 479 00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:52.380 We are in their thrall. 480 00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:59.579 They are controlling all of humanity, and it's right to rise up against them and overthrow them. 481 00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:08.579 And remember, in Planet of the Oud, how excited I was by the Oud, you know, killing all of those people, including the lovely girl from marketing. 482 00:46:08.699 --> 00:46:10.320 It's the same here. 483 00:46:10.380 --> 00:46:15.239 I'm absolutely on board. with all of us killing the silence. 484 00:46:15.300 --> 00:46:17.400 They deserve it and it's right to do so. 485 00:46:17.579 --> 00:46:26.099 Including River in that sequence where she's just, you know, firing left, right and centre round the, you know. 486 00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:28.559 So good. 487 00:46:28.619 --> 00:46:30.119 It is very liberating. 488 00:46:30.179 --> 00:46:31.079 It's very cathartic. 489 00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:38.579 After 2 episodes of feeling completely powerless under these beings, which says such a testament to the writing and the depiction and everything. 490 00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:41.460 And then just the N word, we just kick their asses. 491 00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:44.219 Oh, it's so such a great release. 492 00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:46.500 And it's setting up another mystery. 493 00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:50.940 Like it is, or it's setting up another piece of the puzzle because that only happens. 494 00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:58.559 Like she admits that she can probably kill 8 or 9 of them before, you know, they overpower her or whatever. 495 00:46:58.619 --> 00:47:00.059 But she's lying. 496 00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:03.420 And after the doctor and Amy go into the TARDIS. 497 00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:07.500 And Rory comes out for some reason to kind of tell it to get inside or something like that. 498 00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:10.139 But the doctor doesn't see this. 499 00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:15.119 And it's the river is in fact a highly trained assassin thing. 500 00:47:15.179 --> 00:47:19.199 And she tells Rory not to tell the doctor about it. 501 00:47:19.260 --> 00:47:21.900 So it's another part of the puzzle. 502 00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:30.599 It's another indication that she is the person in the astronaut suit that's been trained to assassinate, you know. 503 00:47:32.219 --> 00:47:41.639 Something I wanted to point out about this scene is the doctor does when he sees the inside of the silent spaceship say, this is very Aikman Road. 504 00:47:41.699 --> 00:47:45.780 So he does link it and say, oh, I wonder how that got there. 505 00:47:45.780 --> 00:47:52.380 And there is a fan theory that this silence ship ends up on the top of Craig's house. 506 00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:55.679 Yeah. after this episode. 507 00:47:55.739 --> 00:48:00.300 So there is a silence somewhere who takes it and tries to escape and Crashlands in 2010. 508 00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:07.019 It's interesting that they're bringing that character back for the forthcoming season, is what I've read. 509 00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:09.900 Just interested to see if they do anything more with him. 510 00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:13.440 Um, I sense that we're coming sort of to a close here. 511 00:48:13.500 --> 00:48:25.260 Uh, but I just want to say, I would love to see another episode with the silence in the same way that uh, time of the angels was to blink. 512 00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:40.860 I would love to see an equivalent for this two-parter that elevates them more because we haven't really seen them since the, um, you know, aside from one or 2 gags, we've seen, you know, after the the ending of this season, we don't really see them again. 513 00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:51.000 And, you know, now that theoretically they're no longer aligned with the church, what are they like on their own as a species, what are their motives? 514 00:48:51.000 --> 00:49:08.159 You know, because, you know, in many ways, we saw their potential to be so scary and omnipresent and mess with human history for 1000s of 1000 years, but that was what they were kind of a subordinate, or, you know, they had a cause that was connected to some other humans who just had a grudge against the doctor. 515 00:49:08.219 --> 00:49:12.119 I love to see how terrifying they are when they have their own agenda. 516 00:49:18.179 --> 00:49:26.159 So the doctor obviously returns River to her cell, and they have some very interesting words. 517 00:49:26.219 --> 00:49:34.739 I mean, she kisses him and says, like, you're acting like we've never done that before, and, you know, there's a 1st time for everything in a last. 518 00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:44.219 Stephen's dialogue is always just so infuriating me fun like, you know, he doesn't tell you anything, but he tells you everything. 519 00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:47.699 I think too, is the different reactions to that. 520 00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:59.099 The doctor is like a bit, like he sort of likes it, but is a bit confused and a little bit silly, like his reaction is a sort of comedy Matt Smith reaction. 521 00:49:59.099 --> 00:50:03.900 And it's a real moment of heartbreak for River. 522 00:50:03.960 --> 00:50:12.719 Like it's it's amazingly well played by her because she's already explained the implications of this in the last episode. 523 00:50:12.780 --> 00:50:25.019 So this is the last time that River gets to kiss the doctor goodbye, that she now knows that she's reaching the endpoint of her relationship with him. 524 00:50:25.019 --> 00:50:30.239 And I think that's, that is amazingly well played. 525 00:50:30.300 --> 00:50:32.639 And there is something, you know, Moffat. 526 00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:36.300 Mistreets his character so poorly that sometimes it's hard to. 527 00:50:36.420 --> 00:50:38.699 It's hard to empathise with them. 528 00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:42.239 Like, why aren't they punching the doctor in the face more often? 529 00:50:42.599 --> 00:50:53.699 And he's so clever and so self-consciously clever, but sometimes he's able to just create, despite that context, these incredibly emotional scenes. 530 00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:55.380 And I think that's a really great one. 531 00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:59.460 Alex Kingston is amazing. and um, yeah. 532 00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:04.739 Involvement in this era of the show cannot be underestimated. in the least. 533 00:51:04.920 --> 00:51:06.599 Yeah, yeah. 534 00:51:06.659 --> 00:51:11.340 No, she's a huge, huge important part of it and a superb part of it. 535 00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:17.460 But also this scene, of course, is yet another thing for this season is that people know there's going to be some sort of answer coming soon. 536 00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:21.300 You know, we've got eye patch lady now, we've got this. 537 00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:28.920 And then, you know, in a moment, we're going to have, Is Amy pregnant, what's going on with that, you know? 538 00:51:28.980 --> 00:51:42.960 Um, this 2 parter is just setting up all these questions, which, you know, Stephen is now putting front and centre visually in dialogue, um, to make sure that fans and new people stay invested in the whole season. 539 00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:47.219 In fact, he's repeating a trope from last year, isn't he? 540 00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:56.940 Remember that he takes Amy on board, not just because she's lovely or whatever, but because there's the crack in her wall that he wants to investigate. 541 00:51:57.000 --> 00:52:11.519 And we see him in the 11th hour, when she says, why are you inviting me on board, he says, oh, I'm lonely, but he's looking at that screen, which has a picture of the crack on it. 542 00:52:11.579 --> 00:52:14.099 And I think he later admits that to her. 543 00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:17.340 And here, we're having a conversation. 544 00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:22.199 He's looking at a picture on the screen and there's her quantum pregnancy kind of happening. 545 00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:26.039 And he chooses not to tell her about it. 546 00:52:26.159 --> 00:52:32.699 And again, there's something really kind of upsetting about that choice. 547 00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:36.719 It seems like a bad choice and it makes the doctor seem like a bad person. 548 00:52:36.780 --> 00:52:38.099 And I think... 549 00:52:38.099 --> 00:52:38.880 But it kind of is sometimes. 550 00:52:38.940 --> 00:52:39.719 Yeah. 551 00:52:39.780 --> 00:52:40.860 Oh, I think it's deliberate. 552 00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:42.239 I think it's absolutely deliberate. 553 00:52:42.300 --> 00:52:42.900 Yeah. 554 00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:47.519 Yeah, I like when the doctor gets a little bit sinister and like we're not always on their side. 555 00:52:47.940 --> 00:52:53.820 I think we're also reminded too, that they're keeping a secret from him in that scene as well. 556 00:52:53.880 --> 00:52:57.360 And so that's another thing, yet another thing. 557 00:52:57.420 --> 00:52:58.559 So the pregnancy. 558 00:52:58.619 --> 00:53:07.500 Madame Cavarian, you know, Rivers an assassin, all of these things that are still left completely up in the air at the end of this. 559 00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:12.780 And your brain is trying to sort of come up with answers to these things and is on an overload. 560 00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:16.079 Like, I mean, I'm thinking, how can Amy be pregnant and not pregnant, you know? 561 00:53:16.139 --> 00:53:21.539 And that's just in my head constantly and reinforced in upcoming episodes as well? 562 00:53:22.019 --> 00:53:25.800 And and so, you know, we've got all of that going on. 563 00:53:26.039 --> 00:53:28.679 And then it cuts to a scene. 564 00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:31.320 On the street with with the little girl. 565 00:53:31.800 --> 00:53:35.820 So are we in New York 6 months later or something like that? 566 00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:36.960 Yep. 567 00:53:37.019 --> 00:53:38.280 Manhattan. 568 00:53:38.340 --> 00:53:39.659 We near the Chrysler Building. 569 00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:41.159 Right, right. 570 00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:53.519 And, and again, that's very short, and it is like kind of upsetting, and I think we'll come back to this later in the season when more of the arc has been filled in for us. 571 00:53:53.579 --> 00:53:59.639 Um, but the little girl uh, says she's dying and then regenerates. 572 00:54:01.019 --> 00:54:04.860 And again, we've been introduced to regeneration last episode. 573 00:54:05.579 --> 00:54:08.219 My brain was just going on overload. 574 00:54:08.280 --> 00:54:11.039 I was just stunned that this little girl was regenerating. 575 00:54:11.099 --> 00:54:12.659 Oh my goodness, there's another timeline. 576 00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:13.619 Is it Ramana? 577 00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:14.519 Is it the Rani? 578 00:54:14.579 --> 00:54:14.940 Who is it? 579 00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:20.519 I thought it might be like the doctor's kid in some capacity. 580 00:54:20.579 --> 00:54:25.440 Um, I never thought it was going to be who it ends up being. 581 00:54:25.500 --> 00:54:38.880 The thing is, is that dialogue in the TARDIS where the doctor and Amy are discussing the pregnancy and she says that she didn't want to tell Rory in case the baby had a time head and guess what? 582 00:54:38.940 --> 00:54:40.860 It has a tight head. 583 00:54:43.980 --> 00:54:48.659 On the topic of casting, Sidney Wade is playing the young girl. 584 00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:59.639 Sidney Wade and Alex Kingston had just been seen on BBC One in the show Marchlands playing mother and daughter. 585 00:55:02.760 --> 00:55:04.920 The girl is British. 586 00:55:04.980 --> 00:55:05.940 Yes. 587 00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:08.340 That's so interesting they decide. 588 00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:15.059 Well, I guess maybe that was to throw them off the track by giving her an American accent, and I guess it makes sense because she was raised in America, but that was an interesting choice. 589 00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:19.860 And I think I think also giving her an American accent is a way to distance her. 590 00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:21.719 Yeah. 591 00:55:21.780 --> 00:55:31.260 Throwing up from anyone we know because, you know, no one in the regular cast of the show has an American accent, so she can't be related to them is how your brain automatically works. 592 00:55:32.039 --> 00:55:36.719 Yeah, yeah, but I don't know if that casting was deliberate. 593 00:55:36.780 --> 00:55:40.199 The book I read it in just states it as a matter of fact. 594 00:55:40.260 --> 00:55:42.059 I think Alex may have suggested that. 595 00:55:42.480 --> 00:55:45.179 That's entirely possible, you know? 596 00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:49.079 So Alex was informed of the season art. 597 00:55:49.139 --> 00:55:51.179 She was told this is where we're going. 598 00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:52.619 Matt Smith wasn't. 599 00:55:54.840 --> 00:56:04.320 But Matt, Karen, and Arthur knew that Alex knew and were constantly bugging her on set and she wouldn't tell them. for her. 600 00:56:04.380 --> 00:56:06.000 Because Spoilers. 601 00:56:06.300 --> 00:56:12.000 Moffat's whole rationale is, from River's perspective, this is the last story of the season. 602 00:56:12.900 --> 00:56:15.420 She's been through all of it already. 603 00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:17.880 So of course she's going to know everything. 604 00:56:17.940 --> 00:56:19.800 That still does my head in. 605 00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:23.159 Every time. 606 00:56:23.219 --> 00:56:24.420 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 607 00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:28.860 Look, look, yeah, I remember I was the same as you, Todd. 608 00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:31.320 I was, ah, it's Romani, it's Susa. 609 00:56:31.380 --> 00:56:32.820 Chancellor of Flavia. 610 00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:35.099 I'm the one with the time head. 611 00:56:51.659 --> 00:57:01.739 Well, it's episode 2 of the season, but weirdly enough, it's also part 2 of a two-part story, and that can only mean picks of the week. 612 00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:03.179 Todd. 613 00:57:03.239 --> 00:57:05.579 I'm going to go for a Netflix series. 614 00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:06.780 There's only one season of this. 615 00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:08.940 It's called AJ and the Queen. 616 00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:09.960 RuPaul. 617 00:57:10.019 --> 00:57:13.139 Um, who we all know and love stars in it. 618 00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:23.159 Um, The young girl in it is extremely annoying, but he's he's great and uh, It's very heartwarming. 10 episodes, go and watch it. 619 00:57:23.219 --> 00:57:24.539 AJ and the Queen. 620 00:57:24.599 --> 00:57:28.619 I thought you were going to tell us to watch, you know, the deadly assassin or something. 621 00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:29.880 Yeah. 622 00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:32.460 It's a much better choice. 623 00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:33.539 Yes. 624 00:57:33.599 --> 00:57:34.679 Brandon? 625 00:57:35.820 --> 00:57:39.059 I am going to choose something from Big Finish. 626 00:57:39.119 --> 00:57:44.099 I have recently relistened to, which is the Blake 7 Crossfire miniseries. 627 00:57:44.340 --> 00:57:48.900 It is the final appearance of the late Jacqueline Pierce in the range. 628 00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:55.440 It is one of the early appearances of Yasmin Bannerman as Dana, and we own her. 629 00:57:55.500 --> 00:58:08.940 She was Jade in the end of the world, and it also brings in Hugh Fraser as the previous president of the Federation and has a fabulous civil war plot arc set in between the last 2 episodes of series C. 630 00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:11.519 So that is Blake 7 crossfire. 631 00:58:12.119 --> 00:58:17.099 Well, you've done an audio and a TV show, so I guess I'll recommend a video game. 632 00:58:17.159 --> 00:58:36.119 Shin Magami Tensei Nocturne has just been rereleased in HD on the Switch and other platforms, and it's basically like Pokemon for adults because it's, instead of Pokemon, it's creatures and gods and goddesses from mythology, like from all over the world. 633 00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:39.840 And it takes place in a post-apocalyptic environment. 634 00:58:39.900 --> 00:58:41.340 It's very tough. 635 00:58:41.400 --> 00:58:53.699 It's very challenging, but just aesthetically, and narratively, it's really rich, and they are coming out with a sequel on the Switch this November, the 5th iteration of Shinagami Tensei. 636 00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:58.199 So it's a good, which is, I think, going to be a pretty big game, a pretty big release. 637 00:58:58.260 --> 00:59:04.380 So this would be a good time to cut your teeth if you're a gamer and you like RPGs and you like a bit of a challenge. 638 00:59:04.559 --> 00:59:08.579 Good, good setting, pretty spooky, definitely check it out. 639 00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:10.619 All right. 640 00:59:10.679 --> 00:59:13.500 Well, I'm going to recommend going outside. 641 00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:31.380 It's a new thing that I've been sort of doing lately going for very, very long walks with the dogs by the water and basically enjoying the fresh air and it is literally a thing that I haven't remembered to do for a very long time. 642 00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:42.960 And as a result of very circumstances, it's a thing that I'm still able to do, and I can absolutely recommend it to all of you out there at home. 643 00:59:43.019 --> 00:59:46.619 And while you're on your walk, if you see a little girl with glowing hands. 644 00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:47.880 Don't worry, she'll be fine. 645 00:59:47.940 --> 00:59:49.260 Just fine. 646 01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:15.659 Well, dear listener, that's all we have time for this week. 647 01:00:15.780 --> 01:00:22.139 We'll be back next week for a jolly old roggering from Henry Avery in the Curse of the Black Spot. 648 01:00:22.679 --> 01:00:39.119 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts, and you can keep up with us at flights or entirety on Facebook, at FTE Podcast on Twitter, and on our website, flightthroughentirety.com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger and Jody InterTara. 649 01:00:39.179 --> 01:00:41.880 Maxwell, where can people find you online? 650 01:00:42.420 --> 01:00:51.300 You can find me at Relic, the Lost Treasure podcast, which is a podcast I do on, as the title would imply, Lost Treasures and Artefacts. 651 01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:53.940 You could just Google, relic the Lost Treasure podcast. 652 01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:59.880 You'll come up with Stitcher links, Apple podcasts, whatever they're calling it these days. 653 01:00:59.940 --> 01:01:02.159 They seem to change it every 5 minutes, Spotify. 654 01:01:02.219 --> 01:01:05.340 Um, I also do streaming when we're not in a pandemic. 655 01:01:05.340 --> 01:01:11.579 Um, at uh, Twitch slash Treasurehunter Maxwell and just follow me on Twitter. 656 01:01:11.639 --> 01:01:13.980 I like to talk to people and that's atlaw treasure pod. 657 01:01:14.039 --> 01:01:26.460 Until next time, remember that if the doctor asks you to tape all the conversations you have in your office, it's probably best to stop doing that sometime soon after the end of the episode. 658 01:01:26.519 --> 01:01:29.039 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 659 01:01:29.099 --> 01:01:30.360 Good night. 660 01:01:30.420 --> 01:01:32.219 See you soon Cheers. 661 01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:43.739 That was Flight Through Entirety, starring Todd Beelby, Nathan Bottomley, Maxwell, Coviello, and Brendan Jones. 662 01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:45.900 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb. 663 01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:53.820 This episode, Gaslight Girl Boss Ginger was recorded on the 1st of August 2021 and released on the 19th of September. 664 01:01:54.480 --> 01:02:08.219 Now that you've listened to this episode, head on over to maximumpowerpodcast.com and subscribe to the new Blake 7 podcast featuring many of the hosts and guests from FDE and now available in all good podcatchers everywhere. 665 01:02:12.599 --> 01:02:15.360 Doing it now. doing it now. 666 01:02:15.539 --> 01:02:17.340 Doing it now. 667 01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:21.000 Okay, I'm clearly audible. 668 01:02:24.059 --> 01:02:25.320 All good? 669 01:02:25.380 --> 01:02:26.280 Yep. 670 01:02:26.280 --> 01:02:26.940 Yep. 671 01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:30.480 Okay, I'm going into do not disturb mode. 672 01:02:31.679 --> 01:02:34.139 Not on my phone just generally. 673 01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:35.940 Um, okay. 674 01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:41.760 So let's start with the, let's start with the um, the plug. 675 01:02:43.019 --> 01:02:48.300 From the end of for the end of episode 216. 676 01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:53.099 So, Maxwell, where can people find you?