WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 15:05:02 1 00:00:36.060 --> 00:00:39.840 Hello, Nilissa, and welcome back to Flight through Entirety. 2 00:00:39.960 --> 00:00:46.140 The only Doctor Who podcast still standing around wondering where the boatswain got to. 3 00:00:46.200 --> 00:00:47.219 I'm Nathan. 4 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:48.240 I'm James. 5 00:00:48.299 --> 00:00:49.679 I'm Todd. 6 00:00:49.740 --> 00:00:57.780 And I'm Robert Picardo as Lily Cole in a crunchy, soggy, crimply nighty for this one. 7 00:00:57.840 --> 00:01:02.520 You really are. hospital night to your fat, yeah. 8 00:01:02.579 --> 00:01:10.620 Well, Pirates of the Caribbean was a huge hit just 7 years ago, and so it's time for Doctor Who to do what it does best. 9 00:01:10.739 --> 00:01:15.480 Cash in on a massive craze long after everyone else has well and truly moved on. 10 00:01:15.540 --> 00:01:26.219 So let's check in on Hugh Bonneville and his crew of scurvy bearded lads while we're all trying to avoid catching the curse of the black spots. 11 00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:40.500 I loved the smugglers. 12 00:01:40.560 --> 00:01:41.040 How about you? 13 00:01:41.099 --> 00:01:43.319 Yeah, no, I think the smugglers... 14 00:01:43.439 --> 00:01:44.219 I'm kind of serious. 15 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:53.159 This feels like a reboot of Billy's last one, which is a favourite of this podcast, if you go back and listen to our recording. 16 00:01:53.219 --> 00:01:56.340 Yeah, so it was probably not deadly bored by it. 17 00:01:56.400 --> 00:01:58.680 It's sort of a prequel to it, isn't it? 18 00:01:58.739 --> 00:02:05.459 I'm blowing my powder early, but I honestly feel that, Okay, let's see what do we all feel about this one? 19 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:18.599 I think that it doesn't quite deserve the bad reputation that it has until about 30 minutes in when it all goes horribly wrong. 20 00:02:19.139 --> 00:02:21.180 What about you, Todd? 21 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:23.939 I think it deserves the bad reputation. 22 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:30.240 And from 30 minutes in, it's pretty obvious it just falls collapses in upon itself. 23 00:02:30.300 --> 00:02:34.259 And I have problems with some of the casting as well, including Hugh Bonavill and Oscar Lloyd. 24 00:02:34.319 --> 00:02:35.219 Goodness. 25 00:02:35.280 --> 00:02:36.599 James. 26 00:02:36.659 --> 00:02:38.280 I think you're all wrong. 27 00:02:38.340 --> 00:02:40.439 No, no, no. 28 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:43.500 I remember this being terrible. 29 00:02:43.680 --> 00:02:47.639 And I was pleasantly whelmed. 30 00:02:47.699 --> 00:02:49.680 I wasn't overwhelmed. 31 00:02:49.740 --> 00:02:51.960 I wasn't underwhelmed, I was whelmed. 32 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:55.080 You just pushed through it. 33 00:02:55.560 --> 00:02:58.800 I think that's the wrong podcast, shit. 34 00:03:00.180 --> 00:03:05.639 The reason I mention the smugglers, it's just, I feel this is a perfect trout and bolly and pen. 35 00:03:05.699 --> 00:03:06.539 See what I did there? 36 00:03:06.599 --> 00:03:10.020 This is a perfect early trout and vehicle. 37 00:03:10.080 --> 00:03:12.960 And the only thing that lets it down is hasty. 38 00:03:13.020 --> 00:03:16.259 I suspect, hasty rewriting and looking for an hour. 39 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:19.379 But the beginning of it, I think, is lovely, and Hugh Bonnable. 40 00:03:19.439 --> 00:03:20.280 Oh my god. 41 00:03:20.699 --> 00:03:27.060 I think, I mean, I'm going to put my cards on the table and think that Hugh Bonneville should basically be in everything. 42 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:28.979 He is... 43 00:03:28.979 --> 00:03:30.719 He's the best reactive actor. 44 00:03:30.780 --> 00:03:36.599 We paid a fortune for a major star to react to Glad Rap hanging in. 45 00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:39.360 In the studio. 46 00:03:39.419 --> 00:03:42.419 Acting is just... reacting. 47 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:46.740 I think it's horrible and it's such a wicked waste of a talent. 48 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:50.460 Yeah, yeah, I mean, he's got a sort of good, I don't know. 49 00:03:50.939 --> 00:03:55.139 I don't agree with Todd about Bonneville or Lloyd. 50 00:03:55.199 --> 00:03:56.759 I think uh, the boy. 51 00:03:56.819 --> 00:04:01.740 Toby is actually really quite subtle and seems to know what he's doing. 52 00:04:01.740 --> 00:04:09.060 And according to Peter, He had a fantastic turn in Emmerdale being pulled through a hedge. 53 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:15.659 So it clearly didn't affect his future career, except he doesn't seem to have worked since 2017. 54 00:04:15.900 --> 00:04:25.920 But if the dear listener decides to Google some images, they'll see that he has cheekbones that you could actually cut yourself on, I think. 55 00:04:25.980 --> 00:04:28.860 He's turned into a handsome young man. 56 00:04:28.920 --> 00:04:42.060 See, I knew him from Emmerdale because he was in there just prior and I was watching it at the time and Amanda Donahue was his mother and he had unfortunate storylines, the hedge storyline and getting kicked in the head by a horse. 57 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:44.100 But you know, he was... 58 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:50.220 He was the youngest of the family. 59 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:51.899 There were much bigger things going on. 60 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:56.220 So he got, you know, the more tame sort of storylines. 61 00:04:56.279 --> 00:05:12.000 I actually think is very good, and I think Hugh is very good as well, but I just think they're just too nice for pirates, you know, and when I think Lee Ross is actually doing, and the other members are doing much more down and dirty sort of pirating, and they're just sort of the upper crust of the pirating. 62 00:05:12.060 --> 00:05:12.839 Do you know what I mean? 63 00:05:12.899 --> 00:05:17.639 Like, I just kind of think there's something a little bit amiss there that that's what I was trying to say earlier on. 64 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:21.420 I like that he plays a gentleman pirate. 65 00:05:21.540 --> 00:05:23.819 This is very Robert Louis Stevenson's kidnapped. 66 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:30.000 The Smugglers was Dr. we talked about Dr. Sin and Moonfleets. 67 00:05:30.060 --> 00:05:31.379 It had its own antecedents. 68 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:34.620 I love that when Doctor Who does current hits. 69 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:36.420 It doesn't go to Pirates of the Caribbean. 70 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:42.180 It goes to the literary antecedent of 100 years, something years ago. which is, I think, very cute. 71 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:49.500 But yeah, he's a gentleman pirate, and when he discovers his son there, as Lee Ross's character says, oh, no, he's gone solved. 72 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:54.600 So we can believe that he was a cutthroat R and a stabby type person. 73 00:05:54.660 --> 00:05:57.420 How good is Amy in Captain Pirate drag? 74 00:05:57.480 --> 00:05:59.279 She looks gorgeous. 75 00:05:59.339 --> 00:06:06.720 I actually think that that might be the best thing about it is that wonderful scene where Amy's in Pirate Drag. 76 00:06:06.779 --> 00:06:09.120 She looks up after finding the cutlass. 77 00:06:09.180 --> 00:06:15.720 Obviously they've locked all the cutlasses away so they don't sort of injure one another by mistake or anything. 78 00:06:15.779 --> 00:06:21.660 And then she sort of looks up at the wall and there's a pirate outfit hanging there and she sort of thinks, all right, I'll have that. 79 00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:27.899 And suddenly she's swinging from the yard arm and stuff and she thinks she's doing a really fantastic job. 80 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:35.939 Like she thinks she's being incredibly threatening without realising, of course, that they're terrified of literally the slightest Nick at all. 81 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:41.459 I think that that's absolutely really fun and I would have loved more of that. 82 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:58.860 And that's part of the problem, I think, is that all the really fun piracy stuff like making Matt Smith walk the plank, you know, having Amy swinging off the rigging and stuff, all of that stuff basically goes away really, really quickly. 83 00:06:58.920 --> 00:07:04.680 And we end up just sort of wandering around the pirate ship for quite a lot of time. 84 00:07:05.100 --> 00:07:15.360 Do you think uh, Karen in the Pirate Trag is the reason why Disney thought it was a good idea to reboot um, Pirates of the Caribbean with her a few years ago? 85 00:07:16.139 --> 00:07:17.819 Could be. 86 00:07:17.819 --> 00:07:18.600 Maybe. 87 00:07:18.959 --> 00:07:21.060 Did we know that Disney cast's purely on visuals? 88 00:07:21.180 --> 00:07:22.259 Yeah. 89 00:07:22.259 --> 00:07:37.019 And she is, she is sort of properly good in this, I think, you know, I'm always astounded watching her by how kind of subtle she is, and there'll be more of that next week where I think she puts in an amazing performance. 90 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:42.000 But here I think she is just kind of solidly reliable. 91 00:07:42.060 --> 00:07:43.259 I think she's really good. 92 00:07:43.319 --> 00:07:52.379 And in fact, I think we'll get to this at the end, she's a little bit too good for the material in places and that can cause a problem. 93 00:07:52.439 --> 00:07:53.819 I agree with you, Nathan. 94 00:07:53.819 --> 00:07:57.060 I think she's, she does a really great job. throughout this. 95 00:07:57.120 --> 00:07:58.199 And I also love... 96 00:07:58.259 --> 00:08:02.639 I also love Arthur Darvel's acting when he's under the influence of the siren, like in that sequence. 97 00:08:02.759 --> 00:08:03.540 It's so good. 98 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:04.740 So delicious. 99 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:07.860 He leaves the cast in reactive acting. 100 00:08:08.100 --> 00:08:09.540 Yes. 101 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:13.199 If only there was something for them all to react to. 102 00:08:14.579 --> 00:08:19.620 Monitor reacts to hanging glad rap on a south stage. 103 00:08:19.680 --> 00:08:25.139 At the cheapest fan production reboot of caretaker. 104 00:08:25.199 --> 00:08:28.680 This really is, this really is Voyager on the holodeck, isn't it? 105 00:08:41.820 --> 00:08:52.320 We should mention the smugglers, actually, while we were talking about it as being the first casting and speaking part of an actor of colour in Doctor Who. 106 00:08:52.379 --> 00:08:58.440 And so it's nice to see a mirror of things that happened then and happening again in this one. 107 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:03.480 I like, I like the 1st 3 quarters of this a lot more than I thought I did. 108 00:09:03.779 --> 00:09:06.419 And Richard, I do agree with. 109 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:07.559 I do agree with you all. 110 00:09:07.620 --> 00:09:12.720 Like, I mean, I'm being rather, you know, blunt and harsh, but, you know, I was quite, I was, yeah, it is my job. 111 00:09:12.779 --> 00:09:13.679 It's my contract. 112 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:25.799 But I was enjoying the 1st 20 minutes, but then I just got more and more annoyed as it went to the conclusion and then it just sort of, I just kind of, just, everything began to irritate me, you know? 113 00:09:25.860 --> 00:09:27.240 Yeah, I think so. 114 00:09:27.299 --> 00:09:38.879 Look, I do want to talk about that a little bit later, but I also just kind of want to talk a bit about the good bits before we all kind of start tearing into it. 115 00:09:38.940 --> 00:09:50.460 I have to say that I think, you know, having Matt unable to kind of communicate with them properly because he keeps wanting to talk about senses and things, that that's kind of adorable. 116 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:59.879 I like the little bit of jockeying for position between the doctor and Captain Avery, about who's the proper captain. 117 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:09.779 I think it's sort of adorable the way that that pirate disappears and Matt kind of catches his hat before it hits the ground and now he's wearing the guy's pirate at. 118 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:12.360 Like all of that stuff is actually really quite good. 119 00:10:12.419 --> 00:10:14.639 There's plenty of good stuff going on. 120 00:10:14.700 --> 00:10:17.399 There's a little life lesson in this for young people. 121 00:10:17.460 --> 00:10:19.320 And it really struck me this time. 122 00:10:19.379 --> 00:10:26.580 It's when, as you just said it, when the doctor hands over the standard controlled and says, oh, Captain, what do we do now? 123 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:31.139 Which is actually a dangerous thing because we know the doctor knows everything. 124 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:32.820 Can you imagine Tom doing that? 125 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:38.879 Again, this is why it feels like a Pat Trouton story. 126 00:10:38.940 --> 00:10:48.000 It reminds me a little bit, too, of like, you know, I think there's some beautiful visuals with the with the pirate ship becalmed and the siren coming out of the water. 127 00:10:48.059 --> 00:10:53.940 Reminds me a little bit of like the highlanders with the ship sort of in that where there bends in the water and that sort of thing. 128 00:10:54.000 --> 00:11:00.600 That very memorable scene, which we don't get to see of Ben in a wet shirt, sort of coming out of the water. 129 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:06.000 They better do that justice when they reanimated in, you know, 2045. 130 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:07.440 They had better. 131 00:11:07.799 --> 00:11:09.840 Yeah, I don't know. 132 00:11:09.899 --> 00:11:23.759 It seems to have been something that was possible like a long time ago and possible on a Doctor Who budget, you know, as early as the chase to have a ship in water that you can shoot on. 133 00:11:23.820 --> 00:11:25.740 And I think it is very effective here. 134 00:11:25.799 --> 00:11:27.240 Lake El Street. 135 00:11:27.299 --> 00:11:28.740 Right, right, right. 136 00:11:28.799 --> 00:11:29.340 Right. 137 00:11:29.399 --> 00:11:34.200 Well, I mean, it's a great choice and it does give us some good visuals. 138 00:11:34.259 --> 00:11:35.700 The sheep is terribly convincing. 139 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:44.580 The scene later on where they finally stop being becalmed and run into a storm is tremendously good and quite exciting. 140 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:47.220 There's a great bit of sort of piratory in that. 141 00:11:47.279 --> 00:11:51.899 I think it was a good choice for a Doctor Who story. 142 00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:56.460 And I think that pirates are just reliably, terribly fun. 143 00:11:57.120 --> 00:12:00.419 So I'm absolutely on board with it. 144 00:12:00.480 --> 00:12:09.659 The problem is, I think, that far too early, they sort of switch from pirates to space corridors and, you know, that's where everything goes wrong. 145 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:13.799 I would have found it more interesting visually. 146 00:12:13.860 --> 00:12:17.519 And maybe, I think, I feel like they ran out of time with this one. 147 00:12:17.580 --> 00:12:32.039 But it went through some structural changes, but it visually the pirate void or the alternate ship in the mirror universe should have all had goatees and beards, and it's been an evil version. 148 00:12:32.100 --> 00:12:33.720 No, sorry, that's Star Trek, isn't it? 149 00:12:33.779 --> 00:12:38.100 But just if they've gone with the liquid motif or just gone with something that was very surreal. 150 00:12:38.220 --> 00:12:49.679 I feel it's just let down by the budget crash and that terrible year 12 version of Voyager Caretaker. you see in the, I mean, seriously. 151 00:12:49.740 --> 00:12:56.399 And you've got Hugh Bonnable wandering about looking astonished at Gurneys and floating slabs. 152 00:12:56.460 --> 00:12:57.059 It's not good. 153 00:12:57.120 --> 00:12:57.960 No. 154 00:12:58.019 --> 00:12:58.740 No. 155 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:05.759 So how do we feel about our siren, our stroppy homicidal mermaid, as the doctor calls her? 156 00:13:05.820 --> 00:13:08.039 I think she's absolutely beautiful. 157 00:13:08.100 --> 00:13:31.080 Like, I love the change of colours from green to red and all of that and her song and there's some beautiful moments, but you know, does it really make much sense that, you know, she goes homicidal on them and and like, and even at the end with, you know, trying to get the permission to, to let them be cured or whatever, or whatever, even I'm not convinced by that whole plot either. 158 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:38.519 See, I'm kind of glad they didn't get Lily Cole to act because have you seen the imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus? 159 00:13:38.580 --> 00:13:39.480 No? 160 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:42.000 Not good. 161 00:13:42.059 --> 00:13:48.779 No, she's not an actor, but she was one of the highest paid, the 10 highest paid models of the year before in the UK. 162 00:13:48.840 --> 00:13:53.340 It was it was a massive coup getting her publicity wise. 163 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:57.299 But yeah, it shouldn't, we shouldn't have gone to such a static realm. 164 00:13:57.360 --> 00:14:00.539 If it had been something of a mystery. 165 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:09.600 If rather than the holographic doctor from Voyager, if we'd actually had a little bit of, well, what if what's happening here? 166 00:14:09.659 --> 00:14:21.899 If, say, the aliens existed in a liquid environment, and they weren't exactly just put into a make do sick bay, and there was some, I don't know how visually you would do that. 167 00:14:21.960 --> 00:14:28.080 But, as I say, if you just truncated that last half or quarter into a smaller moment. 168 00:14:28.139 --> 00:14:29.340 But I guess that's the point. 169 00:14:29.399 --> 00:14:31.200 This is a very thin premise, isn't it? 170 00:14:31.259 --> 00:14:32.279 Yeah. 171 00:14:32.340 --> 00:14:39.419 And I think the bit early on where we're trying to discover what's going on. 172 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:53.820 So the problem is set up immediately in the teaser, which is just largely played for laughs, I think, where poor old McGrath kind of slightly nicks his hand or whatever and suddenly he goes outside and he's completely disappeared. 173 00:14:53.879 --> 00:14:56.759 And then you have the doctor coming along to try and solve it. 174 00:14:56.820 --> 00:14:59.340 And the doctor comes up with a sort of series of theories. 175 00:14:59.399 --> 00:15:04.019 I think there's 4 theories that he presents that are just disproved. 176 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:27.000 And even though that doesn't go anywhere or do anything, it's a nice change from a Doctor Who turns up and immediately knows what's going on and is just able to say, you know, this is from the planet Zog, and I know how it works and all of that, we actually see him doing what the doctor used to do a lot more frequently, I think, which is to try and work out what the rules are. 177 00:15:27.059 --> 00:15:29.580 And so he comes up with a theory it's falsified. 178 00:15:29.639 --> 00:15:31.500 He has to come up with another theory and so on. 179 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:34.379 And I think that that's actually quite good. 180 00:15:34.500 --> 00:15:43.320 And I also like the idea that suddenly it's reflective surfaces that are the danger. 181 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:51.899 Initially, we think it's water and then we find out it's any sort of reflective surfaces at all and having them hide in the powder room where there's the powder room. 182 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:56.519 The armoury, the arsenal, where there's no protective services. 183 00:15:56.580 --> 00:16:02.639 All of that's actually sort of quite interesting and that develops and that's how the plot propels itself. 184 00:16:02.759 --> 00:16:05.940 I believe that pirates have a powder room. 185 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:09.240 They are very, they are very pretty pirates. 186 00:16:13.500 --> 00:16:15.779 They do have bad teeth. 187 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:17.940 I think there is quite a lot of bad. 188 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:19.860 Another nod to the heart no era, yes. 189 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:22.860 But they do have a big manicurist. 190 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:25.379 They have lovely beards, don't they? 191 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:32.460 I would have liked the final moment. to continue from Dave the Moon. where everyone is now sporting a beard. 192 00:16:33.419 --> 00:16:39.059 That's right Matt turns around and Amy and Rory have beards. 193 00:16:39.120 --> 00:16:42.720 Yeah, so all of that is quite good. 194 00:16:42.779 --> 00:16:47.220 And there are some sort of decent jump scares as well. 195 00:16:47.279 --> 00:16:55.200 So, you know, like, I think, I think for a while we're doing okay here, at what point does it go wrong? 196 00:16:55.500 --> 00:17:04.500 For me, they're just little things that begin to sort of add up, like, you know, I just find, And I started to be so negative. 197 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:06.240 I just I really do. 198 00:17:06.299 --> 00:17:07.079 I'm so sorry. 199 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:17.039 Like, the goal, like all the pirate treasure reminds me of the treasure from the ultimate foe that, um, Anthony Amy tries to bribe bits with. 200 00:17:17.099 --> 00:17:19.980 It looks like fake sort of pantomime stuff. 201 00:17:20.039 --> 00:17:21.000 Do you know what I mean? 202 00:17:21.059 --> 00:17:30.119 And then, you know, suddenly Hugh Bonneville is so cuddly and he's in the TARDIS and also accepting and does that really stick? 203 00:17:30.180 --> 00:17:30.779 you know what I mean? 204 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:38.759 And then, like, we find his son and he's supposed to be hiding away for, I don't know how long, but it's like, surely he would have been discovered before then. 205 00:17:38.819 --> 00:17:43.859 Like, there's just, for me, there's little tiny things that, Just begin to add up. 206 00:17:43.859 --> 00:17:56.640 And then, of course, when they do get taken, and we know that, of course, Lee Ross's character gets taken, but we don't see that happen because of the having to re-edit the episode, because it was moved in the sequence of the season and have the eye passionating in. 207 00:17:56.700 --> 00:18:00.539 That always irritates me, that the fact that we don't see that. 208 00:18:00.599 --> 00:18:04.680 I mean, I know that I just find it a very Star Trek Voyager thing. 209 00:18:04.740 --> 00:18:28.019 You might all disagree with me, but there's these little things that just begin to just, for me, just slowly sort of add up to the point then when we are in Star Trek Voyager holodeck with the doctor, that by the end when we have to watch, Rory died, again, and I think the really appalling attempts at reviving him, and it's not Karen's fault. 210 00:18:28.079 --> 00:18:33.480 It's the way it's shot and just totally unconvincing that whole CPR sequence. 211 00:18:33.539 --> 00:18:34.680 That really just irritates me. 212 00:18:34.680 --> 00:18:35.759 Like, totally. 213 00:18:35.819 --> 00:18:45.480 Like, I really, that just, well, sorry, I'm just, you know, that whole sequence just really just, is the icing on the cake for me as, as the whole thing collapses in upon itself towards the end. 214 00:18:45.539 --> 00:18:46.920 I'm so sorry. 215 00:18:46.980 --> 00:18:47.640 I'm so sorry. 216 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:51.299 I'm going to get much worse than that, Todd. no need to apologise. 217 00:18:51.359 --> 00:19:13.259 The, the, I think that you identified earlier on, Todd, something that is a problem in the episode, and that is the Hugh Bonneville learns a valuable lesson about the importance of fatherhood, is such a sort of weird anachronistic and kind of cheesy and trite character arc for him. 218 00:19:13.319 --> 00:19:22.380 You know, like he learns that, um, it's very important to look after his son, he tries to throw away the treasure to kind of protect him from the siren. 219 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:26.519 He can't bring himself to throw away that cheesy, fake looking crown. 220 00:19:26.579 --> 00:19:29.579 And then he loses his son. 221 00:19:29.640 --> 00:19:37.500 It's all just incredibly kind of tedious and kind of played. 222 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:41.460 It's it's, there's nothing really very interesting about it. 223 00:19:41.519 --> 00:19:43.799 So I think that's a problem. 224 00:19:43.859 --> 00:19:48.599 I think that going to the TARDIS in the middle of the episode kills it. 225 00:19:49.559 --> 00:19:51.240 Very much so. 226 00:19:51.299 --> 00:19:53.160 But it is, it is that thing. 227 00:19:53.220 --> 00:19:56.579 It's that thing where it seems to be marking time. 228 00:19:56.640 --> 00:20:00.299 We've run out of pirate things to do, so are you going to do this? 229 00:20:00.359 --> 00:20:11.880 I had the same experience with my Lego pirate ship after I built it and very quickly it descended into sodomy and after that there wasn't much else to do until he brought in the Ghostbusters. 230 00:20:11.940 --> 00:20:12.420 I mean. 231 00:20:27.779 --> 00:20:29.880 I mean, so there's that. 232 00:20:29.940 --> 00:20:31.619 There is, there is that. 233 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:42.059 And there's some kind of character development going on there in that tartar scene, but the whole point of the episode is just that sort of the piratiness of it. 234 00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:43.859 And so that's not there. 235 00:20:43.920 --> 00:20:52.140 You take the least pirate pirate out of the plot for a while so that they can hang around the TARDIS in a way that doesn't go anywhere. 236 00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:55.079 Like it doesn't seem to develop the plot any further. 237 00:20:55.140 --> 00:20:59.700 It does just seem to be marking time and I just think it's probably a mistake. 238 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:03.720 And then there's the disappearance of Lee Ross. 239 00:21:03.779 --> 00:21:07.500 Now, James, you didn't notice that. 240 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:08.279 Is that right? 241 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:15.000 Yeah, look, I just, um, I thought that she was just a really efficient killer mermaid. 242 00:21:15.059 --> 00:21:17.339 Like, she just killed him between cuts. 243 00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:21.240 Yeah And that's clearly what happened. 244 00:21:21.299 --> 00:21:24.839 But we're left in the arsenal with him threatening them. 245 00:21:24.900 --> 00:21:30.240 There's conflict between him and Toby, and then suddenly the next time we come back, he's gone. 246 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:38.460 So there was something happening there, some kind of conflict which looked like it was set up as being important, and then it disappears completely. 247 00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:50.700 And they've clearly edited it because Mulligan's disappearance was sort of similar or something, and I think James, maybe you even kind of thought that that was Lee Ross disappearing through the door. 248 00:21:50.759 --> 00:21:59.460 But in any case, it was sacrificed for the overall plot arc, right? 249 00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:07.259 And so what's gone into this episode, when it's moved up, it's exchanged with night terrors in the running order. 250 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:08.099 Am I right about that? 251 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:08.880 Yes. 252 00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:12.599 And so it is now a pre-gangers episode. 253 00:22:12.660 --> 00:22:20.400 And so we have to have the eye patch lady appearing to kind of continue with that plot thread, but that doesn't take very long. 254 00:22:20.460 --> 00:22:22.019 That's about 30 seconds probably. 255 00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:23.400 That's right. 256 00:22:23.460 --> 00:22:24.240 I timed it. 257 00:22:24.299 --> 00:22:26.039 Like I went, this is a 22nd scene. 258 00:22:26.099 --> 00:22:28.619 It doesn't, like, you know, it's seen such a feeble excuse. 259 00:22:28.680 --> 00:22:45.779 But what else goes on at the end of the episode is a bit longer where we have an ending to this episode that is essentially there for the people who have forgotten how last week's episode ended because last week's episode ended exactly the same way. 260 00:22:46.140 --> 00:22:52.440 With Amy and Rory going, oh, we mustn't tell the doctor that we saw him die. 261 00:22:52.500 --> 00:22:59.819 And the doctor looking at his screen going, we can't tell Amy that she is and simultaneously isn't pregnant. 262 00:22:59.880 --> 00:23:04.079 And that's exactly how the previous episode ended. 263 00:23:04.140 --> 00:23:11.400 And next week we're going to pick up with a scene where Amy and Rory discussed the fact that they saw the doctor die. 264 00:23:11.460 --> 00:23:19.259 I just don't see that that scene, which is clearly what ate up the running time that saw Lee Ross edited out. 265 00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:21.900 I don't know why that's there. you know. 266 00:23:21.960 --> 00:23:26.220 Lee Ross, he is absolutely the best player in this. 267 00:23:26.279 --> 00:23:27.119 He's great number. 268 00:23:27.180 --> 00:23:31.500 Johnny Spandrel, guest of the podcast, and possible friend of the podcast. 269 00:23:31.559 --> 00:23:44.099 Mentioned this in his in his random Hoonist thing when he talks about the jumping of the editing to fit in, um, you know, this anodyne plot line. 270 00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:54.420 It's meant to be jigging us up, isn't it, for every single week, but I'm actually finding it a bit trying to drive a mini moke when you've never tried a manual gearbox before. 271 00:23:54.480 --> 00:23:57.539 I just keep getting stuck and I don't care. 272 00:23:57.599 --> 00:24:00.359 And that's my real problem with the season. 273 00:24:00.420 --> 00:24:03.119 I know we'll probably get to this further on, but yeah, is she pregnant? 274 00:24:03.180 --> 00:24:04.200 Is she not pregnant? 275 00:24:04.259 --> 00:24:09.779 I don't know that things that are so personal to the characters really work in this situation. 276 00:24:09.839 --> 00:24:13.680 It's too big an event to make such lightness of. 277 00:24:13.799 --> 00:24:24.480 Yeah, I think that we will definitely be getting onto that too, probably. at the, you know, at the end of this sort of 1st half of the season at the kind of mid-season cliffhanger. 278 00:24:24.539 --> 00:24:27.119 But I agree with you exactly, Richard. 279 00:24:27.180 --> 00:24:28.740 I think that's the problem with that plot. 280 00:24:28.859 --> 00:24:39.839 But, you know, people complain that the plot is too complicated, but here we have a situation where we're seeing things that we've seen before and I don't know why we have to see them again. 281 00:24:39.900 --> 00:24:47.099 We won't get Madame Cavaria next week, but she will reappear in the gangers 2 parter, I think. 282 00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:48.420 Am I right? 283 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:49.980 I can't remember. 284 00:24:50.039 --> 00:24:51.720 But we just didn't need it. 285 00:24:51.779 --> 00:24:55.440 And it wrecks the episode to some degree, I think. 286 00:24:55.500 --> 00:24:57.720 Can you explain something to me? 287 00:24:57.779 --> 00:25:03.059 When the doctor realises what's going on with the siren and they all cut themselves simultaneously? 288 00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:04.259 They all get taken. 289 00:25:04.319 --> 00:25:05.099 All 3 of them. 290 00:25:05.160 --> 00:25:07.980 Why don't they all get put into like on the beds and everything like that? 291 00:25:08.039 --> 00:25:12.660 What's the, can you, like, everybody else seems to be connected to it and unconscious, but they're not. 292 00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:14.579 Yes, yeah. 293 00:25:14.640 --> 00:25:16.079 Okay. 294 00:25:16.140 --> 00:25:17.400 So, all right. 295 00:25:17.460 --> 00:25:30.779 The very, very 1st time I think that we've had a medical device out of control, instead of a villain, is in the vastly superior empty child doctor dances. 296 00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:34.619 Although Vira goes a bit AWOL on Nertha Beacon. 297 00:25:39.660 --> 00:25:46.200 And that, everyone agrees that that story is absolutely tremendous. 298 00:25:46.259 --> 00:26:04.200 But you don't actually need to push very hard before realising that the Chula ambulances, medical technology and the nano genes are really just doing whatever it is that we need in order to get the plot to work. 299 00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:12.599 In order for us to get to that big climax at the end, where Nancy tells Jamie, that she's his mother, right? 300 00:26:12.660 --> 00:26:17.460 The only other reason the Chula ambulance behaves like that is so that we can get creepy gas mask monsters. 301 00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:19.319 So it's analysed human beings. 302 00:26:19.380 --> 00:26:31.559 It's decided because it's really not very good that this thing made out of rubber and metal is part of a normal functioning human being and that it goes rewriting people so that they're all like that. 303 00:26:31.619 --> 00:26:33.660 And none of that makes any sense. 304 00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:36.000 You get away with that once, I think. 305 00:26:36.059 --> 00:26:55.319 And here, what we have is a medical AI that's out of control that does whatever it needs to do to look like a spooky, stroppy homicidal mermaid in the 1st half of the story, and then to suddenly unexpectedly reveal itself to be a medical device at the end. 306 00:26:55.380 --> 00:27:00.539 And the other thing about that is that who cares? 307 00:27:02.819 --> 00:27:05.279 We have no villain now. 308 00:27:05.339 --> 00:27:06.900 We have nothing to overcome. 309 00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:09.119 We found out that it's a medical thing. 310 00:27:09.180 --> 00:27:12.720 We sign a form and then we escape. 311 00:27:12.779 --> 00:27:27.900 And so it's so undramatic and so, so tedious and it has absolutely nothing to do with the piratry in the 1st half of the episode. except the captain does get to fly the ship at the end. 312 00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:30.480 I mean, obviously he's just a genius at space technology. 313 00:27:30.779 --> 00:27:34.740 That's kind of what the scene in the TARDIS was for, wasn't it? 314 00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:37.440 It's like my ship and your ship aren't that different. 315 00:27:37.500 --> 00:27:39.720 The astrolabe, you know, the all of that. 316 00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:42.779 I get it, but I don't care. just don't care. 317 00:27:43.859 --> 00:27:45.299 Yeah. 318 00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:46.259 Yeah. 319 00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:52.380 A very slim premise is taken at 90 degrees and shoved down a space corridor and then we left with the results. 320 00:27:54.480 --> 00:28:08.519 You know, I think it's, I think it's, um, Xander, who sort of makes the point that in underworld, the Golden Fleece is guarded by a dragon, you know, like a worm or something like that. 321 00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:25.680 And when the doctor meets the version of that in underworld, the exciting science fiction version of that in underworld, it's actually vastly less interesting than a dragon because it's just a sort of CSO tunnel that he floats up. 322 00:28:25.740 --> 00:28:29.460 You know, the invisible dragon, so we don't have to pay to realise them. 323 00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:30.839 They're terrible, you know. 324 00:28:30.900 --> 00:28:32.700 And I think that that's what we get here. 325 00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:37.920 We're promised pirates and we get space corridors and we don't just get space corridors. 326 00:28:37.980 --> 00:28:44.940 We get the cheapest, most low effort space corridors that the show has done in an incredibly long time. 327 00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:51.000 They might as well have just been in like one of Ed Thomas's warehouses. 328 00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:53.400 I think they may as well. 329 00:28:53.460 --> 00:28:57.960 They may as well have been in, you know, a spaceship from season 17. 330 00:28:58.200 --> 00:29:04.019 Like they're poor and they're cheap and they're visually... is exactly the same, yeah. 331 00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:07.440 They should be trapped in hyperspace forever. 332 00:29:08.700 --> 00:29:11.940 But the stones of blood pulls that off so much better. 333 00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:14.279 Yes, yes, exactly. 334 00:29:14.339 --> 00:29:18.480 That spaceship is visually interesting in a way that this is not in any way. 335 00:29:18.539 --> 00:29:20.819 You're doing a top ramp, Nathan. 336 00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:23.160 No, sorry. 337 00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:23.819 No, not at all. 338 00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:24.839 Not at all. 339 00:29:24.900 --> 00:29:29.039 You know, this is like a 5 out of 10 to a six. 340 00:29:29.099 --> 00:29:34.619 Like, this is bad. bad news and this is not my least favourite episode of the season. 341 00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:37.140 I was wondering when we get your rating. 342 00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:47.099 It says beautiful directorial talent in the beginning, the lovely shot of the TARDIS materialising as a reflection in the water. 343 00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:48.779 It's just gorgeous. 344 00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:50.880 There's some really lovely visual moments. 345 00:29:50.940 --> 00:30:02.279 And then you realise that the problem is that we're making a television series that's got to be crammed into a certain time slot and made in a certain order and we lose what makes it work. 346 00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:08.400 See, you know, all of the below deck scenes are actually in studio at upper boat. 347 00:30:08.460 --> 00:30:10.319 That that's not the ship. 348 00:30:10.380 --> 00:30:10.920 Yes. 349 00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:11.940 Right. 350 00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:13.319 I mean, I think they look great. 351 00:30:13.380 --> 00:30:15.119 I mean, they look tremendous. 352 00:30:15.180 --> 00:30:24.660 That, the set for the, uh, what we are now calling the powder room, um, is is stunning and detailed, the set of Avery's quarters looks great. 353 00:30:24.779 --> 00:30:30.000 You know, all of that stuff is incredibly good, but they decide to throw it all away. 354 00:30:30.059 --> 00:30:33.359 They're not confident enough to make it the setting for an entire episode. 355 00:30:33.660 --> 00:30:36.240 It's like Jody's 2nd episode. 356 00:30:36.299 --> 00:30:41.519 It looks parts of this look absolutely stunning, but that does not save a story. 357 00:30:41.579 --> 00:30:42.420 Do you know what I mean? 358 00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:43.500 No. 359 00:30:43.559 --> 00:31:00.420 But imagine if the spaceship had looked like the spaceship in the Saranga conundrum, you know, that if it had been a real contrast to what we've what we'd seen, but instead it's just lit with the same sort of greeny colour palette and stuff like that, it's it's boring. 360 00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:01.859 It's just visually dull. 361 00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:03.299 And cheap as hell. 362 00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:06.720 I'm still going with the liquid environment thing. 363 00:31:06.779 --> 00:31:13.680 I want the threat to have been proper, not just ostensible because it's the podcast that we use ostensible every episode. 364 00:31:13.740 --> 00:31:20.819 I would have liked, maybe they'd have to transmogrify into liquid form. 365 00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:23.039 So that they do in die in a way. 366 00:31:23.099 --> 00:31:26.880 I don't know how you get the doctor and Amy out of that and Rory, but it doesn't really matter. 367 00:31:26.940 --> 00:31:30.900 But the idea of the alien, just being in a space set. 368 00:31:30.900 --> 00:31:34.140 With, with focussing. 369 00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:35.039 Yeah, exactly. 370 00:31:35.099 --> 00:31:39.000 I would have liked that there is some sacrifice in changing over to that other world. 371 00:31:39.059 --> 00:31:46.319 And no, and they do fly, maybe they fly around in a big, in an universe in, they have to give up their bodies. 372 00:31:46.380 --> 00:31:56.220 It becomes a little bit, a little bit woo woo, a little bit sad, a little bit, yeah, because the fact that they're still pirates in the same gear on a space bridge. 373 00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:56.700 Yeah. 374 00:31:57.240 --> 00:31:59.819 But again, that would have been great. 375 00:32:00.059 --> 00:32:08.519 That would have been more fun if it had been gleaming white futuristic corridors, but you have sort of scurvy, filthy pirates, you know. 376 00:32:08.579 --> 00:32:13.559 Yeah, yeah, you've got pirates kind of flying the enterprise around the galaxy. 377 00:32:13.619 --> 00:32:15.839 That would have been actually a lot more fun. 378 00:32:15.900 --> 00:32:24.119 But instead, you've got them in the same grungy ass corridors that they were in on the spaceship who cares, you know, it's just not that interesting. 379 00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:26.099 I don't just say it. 380 00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:47.160 Like, I mean, if this hadn't kept its same position in the season and not had to go like the re-edits, like coming after quite a strong two-parter to begin with, maybe we might think a little bit more of it, like if it had been placed a bit later on in the season, like, you know, rather than here, it's wedged between what I think is a good 2 partner and the doctor's wife, which I adore, right? 381 00:32:47.220 --> 00:32:51.240 So for me, it's sort of, there's a bit of that going on too, I have to say. 382 00:32:51.299 --> 00:32:52.559 Yeah. 383 00:32:52.619 --> 00:33:14.880 The other thing too, Nathan, you were saying, and you've said a number of times, like, you know, from this point forward, like the writers are now writing for Matt Smith, and they're purposely writing eccentric things for him to do, and I'm really beginning to pick up on it in this episode, like ultra-accentive, lots of throwaway lines and asides, and this is something that I'm seeing a lot more, and I think early on in the episode it works really well. 384 00:33:14.940 --> 00:33:21.240 Later on, there's that whole alien bogies joke, which I just think falls completely flat for me. 385 00:33:21.299 --> 00:33:25.619 It's another thing that really just gets to me and I just kind of think, oh, really? 386 00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:27.900 Like that, probably think it's the best thing ever. 387 00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:28.500 But, you know. 388 00:33:28.619 --> 00:33:31.559 Do you know who sells that is Karen? 389 00:33:31.619 --> 00:33:43.079 So when he wipes his hand on Karen's jacket and she does this look, which is like, this is literally the kind of crap I have to put up with from this idiot all the time. 390 00:33:43.140 --> 00:33:46.559 Like, it's really quite subtle, but it's perfect. 391 00:33:46.619 --> 00:33:49.019 She absolutely makes that joke work. 392 00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:51.420 But I agree, the alien bogies thing. 393 00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:54.180 It's like bumpy wumpy a couple of weeks ago. 394 00:33:54.240 --> 00:34:05.579 Like, it is, I think, leaning too much into that sort of stuff, whereas the genius of Matt is the spin that he gives on new things that you give him to do. 395 00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:15.719 And so he is starting maybe at this point to become a little bit of an impression of himself. 396 00:34:16.500 --> 00:34:19.980 I'm going to say, I, and it's not a bad thing. 397 00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:20.760 I do agree with you. 398 00:34:20.820 --> 00:34:23.940 That's the one thing that I picked up on a number of episodes this season. 399 00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:28.980 I know I'm jumping ahead, but I just began to notice it more and stuff like that. 400 00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:33.000 And this was the 1st time I kind of thought, oh, That's what you're doing. 401 00:34:33.059 --> 00:34:36.300 This is, I don't want to say this is the David Tenant shtick. 402 00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:38.159 It's like, this is your default, you know? 403 00:34:38.219 --> 00:34:45.539 And I'm sorry to sort of be putting it into this episode because I think Matt's great and I really love him as the doctor, but it's just something that I observed. 404 00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:04.739 Can I have another rant about that horrible CPR scene and having, like, Rory lying there dead in the TARDIS? 405 00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:12.179 Like, they then transport him from the Sick Bay into the Tartars, just so we can do that there, like, for no apparent reason. 406 00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:13.739 It just annoys me so much. 407 00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:17.519 It's just like we don't know how to end this and this is what we're going to do. 408 00:35:17.579 --> 00:35:20.579 It's utterly pretend drama. 409 00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:22.440 There's no drama here at all. 410 00:35:22.500 --> 00:35:29.219 So the doctor doesn't do it and doesn't cure him for literally no reason at all. 411 00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:32.219 It's just so that we get Amy to do it. 412 00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:36.719 He's standing there kind of biting his fingernails and stuff, not doing anything. 413 00:35:36.780 --> 00:35:45.059 You know, like in a few years time, he'll be replacing Ram's leg in the 1st episode of class, you know, or Nardol's whole body. 414 00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:55.079 Like, it's clear the doctor could have done this, but doesn't, and that's just so that we can have Amy do some acting for this scene. 415 00:35:55.139 --> 00:35:57.239 And there's no drama to it. 416 00:35:57.300 --> 00:35:59.099 We know that Rory's not going to die. 417 00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:00.960 Of course, it's not going to die. 418 00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:02.340 Everything's going to be okay. 419 00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:04.380 No, it doesn't matter. 420 00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:08.400 It's absolute, it's the simulacrum of drama. 421 00:36:08.460 --> 00:36:10.559 It's utterly pretend. 422 00:36:10.619 --> 00:36:12.420 There's no stakes. 423 00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:14.579 Everyone's overwrought. 424 00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:19.619 Karen's acting her socks off in a scene that doesn't matter in any way. 425 00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:21.539 I think it's dreadful. 426 00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:25.079 Oh my god, it's the lockdown of Doctor Who. 427 00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:35.039 You know, like to be fair, they couldn't have filmed that scene on one of those beds because they would have shaken too much. 428 00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:52.559 Like, they gave, they gave the actors. a direction on those beds that please don't move too much and don't breathe too heavily because it would set up this sort of swaying motion of of the beds on the wires. 429 00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:54.059 It would have been more dramatic. 430 00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:58.619 That's the most movement you've seen in the 2nd half of the episode. 431 00:36:58.739 --> 00:37:04.920 Like a 70s executive desk toy with all the little crunch forks bouncing and fixed up. 432 00:37:04.980 --> 00:37:05.639 Exactly. 433 00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:10.320 We needed a Vivian Fay in this. 434 00:37:10.380 --> 00:37:17.820 We needed like, you know, Lee Ross to actually be silver and be between both the ship and the spaceship or something. 435 00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:20.099 I don't know, not the stupid buddy hologram. 436 00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:21.179 I agree. 437 00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:22.920 It needed a villain. 438 00:37:22.980 --> 00:37:24.599 It needed something to overcome. 439 00:37:24.659 --> 00:37:34.139 Basically all that happened is they made a guess that everyone was being kept alive before they realised that she was a medical device. 440 00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:37.739 They appear and there's no threat. 441 00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:39.119 There's nothing to overcome. 442 00:37:39.179 --> 00:37:41.820 There's nothing clever to do. 443 00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:43.019 There is no one to defeat. 444 00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:47.760 Like, I just think that it makes for a dull story. 445 00:37:47.820 --> 00:37:57.360 And they're trying to do something dramatic at the end, but it's so meretricious and so kind of specious that no one cares. 446 00:37:57.420 --> 00:37:58.980 Like, how could you possibly care? 447 00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:01.739 I think it's a great shame. 448 00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:09.480 I think it is a great shame because there's some great stuff early on, but it all just craters spectacularly at the end. 449 00:38:09.539 --> 00:38:25.440 But you know what, for me, is the worst thing is the fact that, you know, I like this episode more than the Gangers episode and Night Terrace. you know, it's for me, it's not the worst of the season. and but last year we had some problems with a number of episodes, one I'll write off. 450 00:38:25.500 --> 00:38:29.099 But ending stuck, or there were minor things. 451 00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:30.780 This, you know, it's so right, Nathan. 452 00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:32.099 It just, this just craters. 453 00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:40.380 Like, a lot of us didn't like the ending of, say, victory of the Daleks, which is diffusing a bomb, you know, it's a little bit similar. 454 00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:44.699 You've got someone lying there and we're trying to kind of make them better or whatever. 455 00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:49.440 But there are kind of, there are interesting things there. 456 00:38:49.500 --> 00:38:51.900 You know, there's some character stuff there. 457 00:38:51.960 --> 00:39:09.360 There's some stuff about, you know, grief and hurt and identity, and it's all very kind of thin and underdone, but there is at least something going on there, which is very different from this, which is just Rory's going to die, and Amy really doesn't want him to. 458 00:39:09.420 --> 00:39:13.440 And that's absolutely in no way interesting, I think. 459 00:39:13.500 --> 00:39:15.300 Yeah, no, I agree. 460 00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:19.139 Like, I mean, the 1st time through that ending of victory at the Daleks really irritated me. 461 00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:23.400 But coming back to it, I actually like it a lot more, whereas coming back to this, it just irritates me more. 462 00:39:51.059 --> 00:39:54.539 Well, listen, that's all we have time for this week. 463 00:39:54.659 --> 00:40:01.380 We'll be back next week for our regular meeting of the Suran Jones Appreciation Society in the Doctor's Wife. 464 00:40:01.500 --> 00:40:18.000 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts, and you can keep up with us at flight through entirety on Facebook, at FTE podcast on Twitter, and on our website, flightthroughentirety.com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger, and Jody into Terror. 465 00:40:18.059 --> 00:40:28.139 Until next time, remember that nothing is more important than family, apart from your collection of Blu-ray box sets and day pole figurines. 466 00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:30.840 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 467 00:40:30.900 --> 00:40:32.039 Good night. 468 00:40:32.099 --> 00:40:33.059 See you soon. 469 00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:34.860 Keep your water wings on. 470 00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:41.460 That was Flight Through Entirety. 471 00:40:41.460 --> 00:40:44.460 Sorry, Todd Building, Nathan Bottomley, James Selwood, and Richard Stone. 472 00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:46.679 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lan. 473 00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:53.820 This episode, everyone is now sporting a beard was recorded on the 8th of August 2021 and released on the 26th of September. 474 00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:02.280 If any of you know how to get in touch with Tenaya Miller's people, can you please DM me? 475 00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:08.400 There's a fantastic new job opportunity opening up in 2023, and I think she'd be just perfect for it. 476 00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:17.400 Do you think we've got an out there? 477 00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:20.099 We're at 45 minutes. 478 00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:27.119 I don't think we need to do, like, an hour long episode of this, like we did for the Impossible. doesn't deserve it. 479 00:41:27.420 --> 00:41:37.619 Did you know that, I mean, this, the plot of this is inspired by an actual mermaid story from Cornwall. 480 00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:40.380 Who cares? 481 00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:42.300 And it turned out it was a seal. 482 00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:48.000 It was a seal all along that was kidnapping the pirates. 483 00:41:48.539 --> 00:41:49.800 James, that could go at the beginning. 484 00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:50.880 Do you know anything more about it? 485 00:41:50.940 --> 00:42:01.920 Um, It's a Cornish legend, um, The Mermaid of Zenor, or Xenor, or Castria. 486 00:42:01.980 --> 00:42:03.239 No, um... 487 00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:08.400 It's obviously a very... 488 00:42:08.460 --> 00:42:09.780 No, I mean, that's a different... 489 00:42:09.780 --> 00:42:11.880 That's all I've got. 490 00:42:11.940 --> 00:42:14.460 I don't think that's of much use to the episode. 491 00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:16.380 Yeah, it's all right. 492 00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:17.940 It's a tag. 493 00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:18.539 All right. 494 00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:19.679 I'm going to do the out track. 495 00:42:19.739 --> 00:42:21.659 There you go. 496 00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:25.260 Look, what a sweet, precious angel. 497 00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:28.619 Until she suffocates you in your sleep. 498 00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:31.019 Yeah, well, that's cats. 499 00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:32.039 All right, here goes. 500 00:42:32.699 --> 00:42:36.119 Well, dear listener, that's all we have time for this week.