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Hello, dear listener and welcome back to Fly Through Entirety, the

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only Doctor Who podcast that's thin, fat, gay, and married, but

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still somehow needs names as well.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm James.

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I'm Peter and I'm Adam.

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Well, it's our last episode before we take an unexpected break, and

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so it's time for everything to come to a head in a story stuffed

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with monks, clerics, turfs, sontara nurses, lesbian lizard ladies

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and the worst case of infant reflux ever seen on television.

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So let's see if we can work out what the hell happens when a good

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man goes to war.

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So, Adam, we haven't actually seen you since RTD was running the

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show.

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I know.

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How do you feel about the Moffat era generally?

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Um, I love season one of Moffat.

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So that's what season five?

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and I love season 10.

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And if you look at what he was doing, they're the only seasons he

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wasn't also writing Sherlock.

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I just don't think the man was very good at multitasking.

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Because like this one we had this like this week, we've got this

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weird break in the middle of the season, which it's like, oh, yeah

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it's not on for 3 months.

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See ya.

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Have fun.

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And that happened twice or maybe 3 times?

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He did that a few times.

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Yeah, so series 7 gets sort of broken over 2 years.

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Like there's a much bigger season break next season.

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And then there are years where the show's not on.

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But this is kind of the 1st time and it is a break that is

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occurring because he can't get the show out.

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Is that correct?

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I'm guessing it's either he hasn't written it in time.

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The production was running slow.

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I mean, you know, like Russell T. Davis obviously was very good at

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going, I can only have 6 people and 2 sets without this falling

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into a heap.

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And so he was riding, you know, bottle shows like midnight and

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things like that where it's like, oh, this can all just take place

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in one room and where they can film something else at the same

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time.

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Whereas Moffatt's like, I need all of the actors who've ever been

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in the show ever to be in this week.

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Which is a lot of setup.

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I think there might have been a certain element of preventative

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kind of arrangements in there.

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They might have realised that they just weren't going to hit it

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and so they sort of put these plans into motion a couple of months

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beforehand.

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So it wasn't like a last minute thing where they think, we've just

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got to stop the season.

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They sort of planned for it, but yeah.

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But, you know, you only plan for these things when you go, I can

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see that this is not going to land where it's meant to land.

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Also, they've moved into HD.

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So the special effects take literally 4 times as long to render.

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Like it's like, I know from someone who sits over there.

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Um, like every now and again they get a call to go, can you render

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this in 4K and he's like, well, there goes 2 days of just my

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computer whirling around. making a rendering thing.

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So yeah, it's that's obviously a problem.

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But as much as I love the shocks and the surprises and the, oh

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look, this funny turner phrase and this exciting thing that's

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happening, I find that Moffatt very rarely lands anything.

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In fact, I still think there are about 423 plot points in the air

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like to this day.

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From this entire run of episodes.

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I'm like, that was a big thing.

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What happened to that?

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It's like, shush.

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Pretend you never saw the crack of the wall again?

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And it meant something completely different the next time it

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turned up.

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It's nothing, it's nothing that you thought it was.

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Yeah, so I, from the, you know, Russell T. Davis would just tie

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everything up in a bow every week just about.

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And anything he was seeding through the show was, oh yeah, they

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just mentioned Bad Wolf every week and now that's a big thing.

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Oh, they mentioned Harold Saxon every week.

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Whereas here we're expected to remember things from two, 3 months

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prior the year before.

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And when you get to the final Matt Smith episode, it's like, can

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you please remember things from 7 years ago?

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Like even Coronation Street doesn't ask you to remember something

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from 7 years ago as a big plot point at the end.

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Joanna Lumley will remind you that she was in Coronation Street in

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1973.

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Every chance she gets.

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I mean, some people in Coronation Street died and then came back

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as someone else entirely.

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Tim Barlow, yeah.

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But yeah, it's, although on the positive side, I love Matt Smith

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with every fibre of my being, like just amazing performances, and

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this episode in particular, like we get to see his fury just

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suddenly turn into childlike glee, and he has this weird face

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where he can look like an ancient old man and then a 10 year old

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and I have huge admiration for him as an actor.

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I just think he is doing incredible work.

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And when you've seen, because you know, oh, maybe this was just a

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fluke, you got some great scripts, you know, great dialogue that

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he was able to perform, but having seen his performances and other

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things, since you're like, oh, no, no, he's really good.

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Whereas sometimes I feel like David Tennant is always David

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Tennant.

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Like he's just, you know, I'm always a little bit cheeky.

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Look at me.

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I think we have spent the last few episodes kind of saying that

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about Matt Smith pretty much every week and certainly this week.

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There are some extraordinary speeches that he gets to give.

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And and we are kept waiting for him this week.

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Like he, it's really quite extraordinary how long it takes before

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he arrives.

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And I think Stephen Moffat has a particular failure mode, and I

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think it's in evidence here, which is that he relies on, um, he

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relies on sort of very rightly things like, like sort of

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flashbacks and and voiceovers and and all of that kind of thing.

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The sort of thing that you would probably, once you're more

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confident in the story that you're telling, that you would

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probably kind of get rid of in favour of the story.

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It's very rightly, I think, at the beginning.

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And so here we have a story where there is a lot of incident.

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But it's hard to say that it actually sort of coheres into an

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actual story in some ways.

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I think Stephen Moffatt lives or dies by his directors.

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Like, having, I don't know if you've read Rachel Talley's blog

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when she's talking about directing his scripts, but she kind of

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points out that they, they're not very friendly to directors, like

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she had to go through and pull things out to work out what she's

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shooting.

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It's all, you know, like if you've got a narrative-minded director

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then you get a really strong narrative episode.

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But if you've got a director who's just banking pretty pictures

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then you just get this confusing mess of a show because it's like

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he hasn't really pointed out where things are happening and why

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they're happening.

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So I think the reason there are so many strong directors in this

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era is because they were necessary and the ones who are not very

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strong narratively, you do just get like, oh, now this Spiderman

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heads coming at me.

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And this week we have a director who never comes back, is that

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right?

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This is the only time that this particular director.

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Peter Hall.

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He has done a Vera.

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I know that much.

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By the way, I'm starting the campaign for Brenda Blethin, it's the

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new Doctor Who.

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Ooh.

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I'll add her to the list.

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I like that idea a lot.

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I think it's an oddly structured episode.

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It's mostly setup and then not much climax.

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The climax is kind of dealt with in about 5 minutes.

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And then there's 10 minutes of downtime where Stephen kind of

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vamps and then there's a twist.

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It's quite an odd episode.

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And I think what you were saying, Nathan, keeping the doctor out

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of the action for 20 minutes, it does service the plot, but

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actually it's a big part of the reason why I don't particularly

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like this episode because I want to see the doctor.

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Yeah, I have a friend who can't stand that last Freeman adjumen

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season when the doctor's in the cage because he's like, well, I

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don't want to watch a show about desiccated doctor.

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I want to watch the actual doctor beating things instead of one of

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his mates wandering around the world doing stuff.

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The 20 minutes before the doctor arrives all about the doctor.

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And there is an issue that a lot of people have with Moffat's era

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in particular, which is that the doctor becomes a kind of fetish

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object, like the doctor is now suddenly famous and everyone has

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this sort of massive opinion of him.

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And that's exactly what's happening in this episode.

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He's being set up to be an incredibly frightening figure.

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And the entire 1st half of the episode is about that.

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And then there's a twist at the end about how that's a problem.

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The fact that he is so frightening is what has caused the

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abduction of Amy's baby and said all of this in motion, that in

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some way, he's at fault.

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universe for the doctor to operate in and is mostly interested in

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kind of TV realistic characters.

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So, you know, like soap characters, not real realism, but

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television realism.

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Whereas Moffatt's characters are programmatic.

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They are sitcom characters in a way.

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They behave in a way that we can predict and they behave in a way

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that makes jokes about them sort of easier.

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You know, we know how Amy's going to react to something.

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We know how Raw is going to react.

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And it makes sense for him to make the doctor, the centre because

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he's telling Doctor Who stories and the doctor's the star of the

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show.

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And so what he's doing is he has a doctor, not a doctor that just

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sort of wanders through the universe, but a doctor who has starred

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in 100s and 100s of Doctor Who stories, in all of which he's kind

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of blown the enemy up or something like that, he's defeated them

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in part four.

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And so his doctor is this mythic figure about whom stories are

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told and who always sort of defeats people in the end.

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It's the peak of doctor as legend, isn't it?

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And I'm glad that I'm glad that Moffat does deal with that in a

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story way, but to my mind, it's just never as interesting as when

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the doctor's wandering minstrel when he just kind of turns up

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somewhere and says, I'm the doctor and sort of sneaks his way into

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a situation.

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So if you take that to the 8th degree.

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I mean, Moffat's characters only really exist as cyphers for the

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storytelling to the point that with later companions, that as

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Brenton has often pointed out, there are 3 different versions of

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Clara. 3 main different versions of Clara, depending on which

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season you're in.

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And that's before you add in all of the little splinters.

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And like, and that's supposed to be the same person, that main

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character is supposed to be the same person, but she operates

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completely differently because that's what the script needs her to

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do.

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But we're getting ahead of ourselves.

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She has different jobs in different families.

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Well, and and that's an approach that Doctor Who fans often don't

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like because Doctor Who fans want to regard all of this stuff as

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real events that happen to made up people and that all take place

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in a sort of consistent world.

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And Moffat aggressively dislikes that approach and actually kind

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of deliberately fights against it.

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And like, I think that's okay.

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Like, I think, you know, a version of Doctor Who that's kind of

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aware that it's a story and that it's not real and that plays with

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narrative can be sort of terribly interesting.

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But the one thing that I think you really lose is the ability to

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kind of identify with and sympathise with the characters.

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And that's not just because they're a bit unlikeable.

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Like I really like Amy and Rory and River.

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I love this crew.

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I think they're really fun.

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They're funny, they're witty, they're interesting.

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But what the problem is that such terrible things happen to them

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that they stop seeming like real people in any way.

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A bit like Sarah Jane in season 12 and 13.

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Yeah.

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It's something like it's right there in the teaser as well, that

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uncomfortable marriage of kind of Doctor Who's standard adventure

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and optimism and then the reality of someone having their baby

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torn from their arms.

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And so I think you're right, Amy ceased being a real person.

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Karen is still brilliant, but Amy's been held captive and sort of

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forced to carry a baby to term, and yet her distress can't be

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shown to viscerally.

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So it's only kind of hinted at awkwardly in amid all her oncoming

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storm guff about the doctor.

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And it feels like such a reverse or on the past few seasons where

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we've had, you know, huge overhauls to people's families, you know

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that the end of doomsday is just like this devastating emotional

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moment and you would think someone having their baby ripped out of

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their arms.

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Uh, never to be seen again, essentially, would be more distressing

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than just being on the other side of a wall from someone you kind

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of liked.

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But no, this is treated like, oh, it's another inconvenience in

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our day of inconveniences.

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In fact, the doctor fixes Rose's family in doomsday.

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You know, the big hole at the centre of Rose's family, the absence

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of Pete, the death of her farmer, is fixed.

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The doctor leaves that family better than when he found it.

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Um, He, like, this is so awful.

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And I just don't know why, why he thinks that it's okay.

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And we'll look next week at how he tries to make up for it and he

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also tries to make up for it in the season finale.

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He does do things that try to make this okay.

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But I just can't see how that's even possible because it's not

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just the sort of the incredible body horror at the end of last

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week's episode where you wake up pregnant with Francis Barber

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looking down at your personal details.

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And you're suddenly pregnant and you're giving birth, and then the

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baby gets taken off you, and then the baby collapses into a pile

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of sick, you know, while you're holding it in your arms.

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And then the baby turns out to be that woman from ER.

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Like, it's a very strange episode.

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Very complicated.

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You could have said giving birth in front of a turf, but...

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She's so awful.

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Part of me wonders if Moffat wasn't having a very good time in his

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personal life because George Lucas and Stephen Spielberg have

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spoken at length about the fact that they don't think Indiana

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Jones and the Temple of Doom, which is one of my favourite films

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is very successful.

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They think it's too dark and it goes to places which aren't

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appropriate because they weren't having a good time in their

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personal lives.

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So I wonder if there was something happening with Moffat where he

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just kind of lost his filter over what would quite be appropriate

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and what was a little bit over the line.

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I think he was trying to do too much.

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Like, you know, when Davis is running the show, there were 2 other

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shows running concurrently.

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Um, and Moffatt's really struggling to do this and Sherlock at the

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same time.

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Like, it's he's obviously missing deadlines all over the place.

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It's things aren't going to plan.

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It's, yeah.

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And also, you know, where heading towards the 50th anniversary

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which turned into some crazy nightmare of a situation.

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But yeah, I just think he's not on top of, I think his writing is

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like you were saying before earlier, Nathan, about the, you know

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all the riderly things that you go, you would have changed at it

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like later on.

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I just don't think you ever got around to that 3rd draft.

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I think he just never got around to, oh, this is actually terrible

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with a voiceover.

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Let's change it.

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This is terrible with a flashback.

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Let's fix it.

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But he just didn't have time to go, I don't have time for another

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draft.

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This is this is how this episode is now.

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Just go make it. got other things to do.

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And he's such a brilliant writer that even when he delivers

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something like this, which is a little bit disjointed and doesn't

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quite have a real plot holding it together.

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It's still full of great things.

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And you think if he did get round to that 3rd draft, it would

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probably be brilliant.

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Yeah, there's a lot in what you're saying.

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I have to say, even though it's probably having been in lockdown

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since, you know, the dawn of time now.

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Um, I, I actually had a tear at the end when, when River gives the

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whole, you're my parents kind of bit and it's like, are you sure I

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just wasn't, are you sure it wasn't a splatter of baby gunk?

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It could have been baby gun.

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It does smile.

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Having said that, I have cried about 4 TV shows this week, so I

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might be in some sort of emotional distress of my own.

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Don't let me write Doctor Who this week.

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I think the other problem is that so last year was all about Amy

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Amy's decision between adulthood and childhood.

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You know, do I become an adult and get married?

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Or do I run away with my imaginary friend from childhood?

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And the sort of synthesis at the end is actually, why not both?

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And so that's what ends up happening.

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But that arc, which we really liked, does make marriage an

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important marker of adulthood for a woman.

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And that's, I mean, it's true, but there's something kind of

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slightly uncomfortable about that.

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And then to kind of go into, which is a very television thing

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isn't it?

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That you have sex on your wedding night and then you're

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immediately pregnant.

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And then we age up the child.

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Do you know what I mean?

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So that it can continue to be in this television show.

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Like, there's something uncomfortable about that.

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It's not okay.

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No, no, and and also just kind of making pregnancy so pregnancy

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and childbirth.

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So kind of weird and upsetting and alien, you know, that...

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Well, also weirdly functional.

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Like it's, it's just like, oh, you can do this in a cupboard with

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a peephole. fine.

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This is the man that gave us the John Hurt moment in coupling for

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Jane's pregnancy.

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Oh my god, yeah, yeah, yeah. that's right I had forgotten about

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that.

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And like I do think that coupling is important to kind of go back

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and look at because his weird attitudes to women, I don't know.

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I think it's just the perils of putting a heterosexual man in

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charge of the show, I think, probably.

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It shouldn't be permitted.

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It has the same kind of awkward feeling as if Rachel from Friends

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had gotten pregnant, but then Phoebe decided to steal the baby, and

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then fallen on the subway tracks, and Rachel instead had taken one

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of Ross's, but yeah, it's that kind of thing where you think this

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doesn't work at all.

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I'm not feeling this.

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It doesn't fit the show.

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Do you know what?

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When you were talking about season one just now or season five

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technically, but Moffat's 1st series.

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The subtext of both of these series is we start with a little kid

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or at even an infant, and then we see that the next time we see

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them, they're hypersexualized and an adult.

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So we've gone from little girl Amy to Amy the strippergram.

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Yeah. like hypersexualized adult.

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And then we've gone from this infant to River song who is

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constantly trying to bone the doctor.

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So it's like, what is what are you trying to say about children

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and what happens to them in the blink of an eye?

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It is a really, it's a troubling subtext through the whole

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series.

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He doesn't have any daughters, does he?

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He's got kids, but yeah.

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There probably is stuff playing on Mothat's mind about kind of

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families and raising families.

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And I think this goes back to what you were saying earlier, Adam

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about time.

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Moffat was a father and had a family.

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And so his time is finite.

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I have some sympathy for him.

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And Russell D. Davis did make himself quite ill running all those

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shows.

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Like he was not in a good way by the end of all that.

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Didn't he end up with pneumonia during the making of the

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specials?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He was not okay.

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No, there's a there's a really quite troubling scene in the

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writer's heart where he talks about actually having a panic attack

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during a signing.

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You know, he really, really did drive himself into the ground.

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And Moffatt is, as you said before, Adam, doing something more

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ambitious than what Russell is doing.

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Like, I love Russell's Doctor Who to death, I think it's the best

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the program's ever been.

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But if you were to complain that he made the same season 4 years

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in a row, it would be pretty hard to kind of argue against that.

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Whereas, whereas what Moffat's doing is, is more ambitious, and

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this arc in particular is the most ambitious arc the show ever

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attempts.

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What about the arc?

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What?

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That is also ambitious.

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It is very ambient.

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There's a lot of balls in the air.

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You know, there's a lot of things going on and a lot of moving

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parts to kind of fit together and he does that sort of reasonably

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well.

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But yeah, it's clearly kind of getting out of hand, I think, at

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this point.

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It is really entertaining, like, all the way through.

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Like, it's relentlessly entertaining.

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Like that opening gambit with Rory in the centurion outfit for

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reasons that can only be described as hilarious.

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And then the exploding cyberfleet.

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Although I will say that was another thing watching this episode

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that reminded me of how Moffat minimised the shows legendary kind

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of monsters and aliens. and made them kind of props, for want of a

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bit of word.

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Like ciphermen are only ever kind of props.

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And didn't we just do that 9 episodes ago as well?

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Essentially.

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Yeah, that's absolutely right.

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They're there for a throwaway line.

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And it's a great throwaway line.

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I mean, Rory stressed as a centurion because we're doing that

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thing where we have Amy doing a voiceover to melody about someone

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who's coming to save them and us thinking that that's the doctor

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only to discover that she's talking about Rory.

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And so he's dressed as a centurion because suddenly instead of the

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lone censure and he's the last centurion, so that the he's the

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last of his kind line works and becomes kind of ambiguous.

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So it's, you know, you can see how he's sort of trying to get

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there, but it is pretty great.

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And, and it's nice to see Rory not operating in his sort of

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standard nervous sitcom male role.

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And but when he just sort of says, like, do you remember Sylvester

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McCoy not flinching as he walks away from the tent exploding in

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greatest show, Rory has what is admittedly like a giant CG

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explosion happening behind him.

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But just that, would you like me to repeat the question line?

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is so great.

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It's really, really, properly good.

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Yeah, it just reminded me that Moffatt, like, used the Daleks as

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set dressing.

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Never a menace, really.

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Um, except maybe a sign of the Daleks, where they're kind of

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horrific and terrifying and always around the corner.

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But yeah, like it, it's always like he's, it's taken the, the

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tropes of the show and made them into, you know, oh, we have to

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have a cyberman.

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We'll just pop it in for 4 minutes and then we can move on.

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We'll have a Silurian and she's a Victorian lesbian.

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It's fine.

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It is just real.

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I don't understand the weird kind of like, 0 yeah, this is we're

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having some cosplay on the stand.

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I actually think that this is the 1st episode that renders the

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Santarans completely unuseable from here on in.

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I don't know how you can have them as monsters.

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And I think Chibnell last year made the Siberian's completely

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unuseable from here on in.

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And so I actually don't mind that they're there and I think that

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they are genuinely funny.

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Like, I think Strax is hilarious and, you know, he's obviously

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brought back over and over again because he is so incredibly good

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and his shtick is really great.

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I mean, he dies this episode, but that doesn't stop Moffatt

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bringing him back.

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It's like his 4th Santarian.

493
00:26:33.059 --> 00:26:34.259
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

494
00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:35.220
Dan Starkey.

495
00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:37.619
It's the 4th time he's playing different sometimes.

496
00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:38.339
And he's great.

497
00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:39.000
He's terrific.

498
00:26:39.059 --> 00:26:40.380
Moffat does do that a lot.

499
00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:40.980
Yeah, yeah.

500
00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:43.859
He kills people off and then goes, oh, actually, I like that.

501
00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:45.240
Yeah, they can just come back.

502
00:26:45.299 --> 00:26:46.079
It's Doctor Who.

503
00:26:46.140 --> 00:26:49.259
Let's get let's get Nadol back from wherever he went to.

504
00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:51.299
He does it with Rory all the time.

505
00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:53.819
Killed off Rory.

506
00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:54.599
Oh no, I like him.

507
00:26:54.660 --> 00:26:55.380
Let's bring that.

508
00:26:55.500 --> 00:27:01.079
I love how practically 2 years later, they even did a pickup

509
00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:06.059
prequel for the snowman where they explained why he wasn't dead

510
00:27:06.059 --> 00:27:09.480
like they actually filmed a scene to explain why it wasn't dead.

511
00:27:09.539 --> 00:27:12.960
And then thoughtfully left it out so that we didn't have to watch

512
00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:13.259
it.

513
00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:18.059
And I think Vastra and Jenny are really great as well.

514
00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:23.579
And, you know, like he's, he, I think I remember him being made

515
00:27:23.579 --> 00:27:28.380
aware that there were no queer characters in series 5 and so he

516
00:27:28.380 --> 00:27:30.839
decides to include some queer characters here.

517
00:27:30.900 --> 00:27:35.940
And I think in neither case are they at all successful?

518
00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:43.380
So we had the fat, thin, gay married Anglicans.

519
00:27:43.380 --> 00:27:45.180
And Moffat seemed...

520
00:27:45.180 --> 00:27:45.960
Anglican Marines.

521
00:27:46.019 --> 00:27:49.680
Yeah, Moffatt seems to think that gay Anglicans are in some way

522
00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:50.460
unusual.

523
00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:53.519
You know, like it's like he knows literally nothing about the

524
00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:54.599
church at all.

525
00:27:54.660 --> 00:28:00.839
It's lousy with gay organists and gay verges and all of that.

526
00:28:00.900 --> 00:28:03.480
Like, I don't know why he thinks they would.

527
00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:06.240
I don't know why he thinks they wouldn't need names.

528
00:28:06.299 --> 00:28:07.500
It's very strange.

529
00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:12.059
And of course, we bet, you know, one of them is killed or, you

530
00:28:12.059 --> 00:28:13.019
know, beheaded.

531
00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:16.740
As soon as anyone says they're gay in the Moffatt area, they are

532
00:28:16.740 --> 00:28:16.920
gone.

533
00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:18.240
Yeah, yeah.

534
00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:21.420
It's a case of bury your gays head in a box.

535
00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:22.500
Yeah, yeah.

536
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:27.839
And then you've got Jenny and Madame Vastra.

537
00:28:27.900 --> 00:28:31.259
And like, I think they're really sort of fun, but I do think that

538
00:28:31.259 --> 00:28:36.420
they are very much a sort of straight man's lesbian fantasy.

539
00:28:36.539 --> 00:28:38.579
Especially when the tongue comes out.

540
00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:39.779
The tongue joke.

541
00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:42.420
It's like the tub joke is genuinely properly funny.

542
00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:44.220
I do think it's funny.

543
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:48.359
But it is, you know, straight man writing lesbians.

544
00:28:48.420 --> 00:28:48.960
Absolutely.

545
00:28:49.019 --> 00:28:54.779
And like, this is the man who brought us lesbian spank Inferno as

546
00:28:54.779 --> 00:28:56.700
an episode of coupling.

547
00:28:56.759 --> 00:28:57.539
Do you know what I mean?

548
00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:01.259
That was his character's favourite porn video.

549
00:29:01.619 --> 00:29:05.099
Victorian, lizard, lesbians, Bank Inferno.

550
00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:07.380
Is that something to do with Liz Shaw?

551
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:12.000
I mean, that's why he named it that.

552
00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:17.819
The name of the video did come from Inferno. like he was inspired

553
00:29:17.819 --> 00:29:21.299
by that and then developed it into a lesbian joke.

554
00:29:21.539 --> 00:29:26.819
Private gentleman time imagining Petra and Liz, you know, in

555
00:29:26.819 --> 00:29:29.880
during their off hours, maybe.

556
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:33.539
Maybe... in the Inferno nightclub with somebody who knows.

557
00:29:34.140 --> 00:29:35.940
Oh, Lord.

558
00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:39.240
Don't have grinding up on Polly.

559
00:29:53.220 --> 00:29:56.759
The retrofitting of Vastra and Jenny is married.

560
00:29:56.819 --> 00:30:01.380
Make those scenes where Jenny is clearly just a household servant

561
00:30:01.380 --> 00:30:02.579
a little bit uncomfortable for me.

562
00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:06.660
It's like, widely carry on this pretence when no one else is

563
00:30:06.660 --> 00:30:06.900
around.

564
00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:11.519
I always read it as they were in a relationship, even in this

565
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:14.400
episode, because there's that whole sort of thing.

566
00:30:14.460 --> 00:30:16.559
Like, I mean, yes, they're married later.

567
00:30:16.619 --> 00:30:21.299
Or like, does she refer to her wife in her wife in this episode?

568
00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:24.539
No, no, but they're clearly boning.

569
00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:27.059
Like they're clearly having sex because otherwise...

570
00:30:27.059 --> 00:30:28.920
Well, they're having weird, doesn't work. tongue sex.

571
00:30:28.980 --> 00:30:29.519
Yeah, yeah.

572
00:30:29.700 --> 00:30:32.519
But only when her poison sack is empty.

573
00:30:32.579 --> 00:30:33.660
Yeah.

574
00:30:33.660 --> 00:30:36.000
I went too fast, sorry.

575
00:30:36.420 --> 00:30:38.579
That is not too far at all.

576
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:40.920
But I think that I think Pete's right.

577
00:30:40.980 --> 00:30:44.279
There is something weird about her still being an employee and

578
00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:49.319
being a domestic employee and also is she like, does that imply

579
00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:50.519
she's some sort of sex life?

580
00:30:50.579 --> 00:30:51.420
Like, what is?

581
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:54.660
Yeah, there's nothing in that 1st scene of them where you sort of

582
00:30:54.660 --> 00:30:57.359
think, you know, that you learn that there's more to it later on

583
00:30:57.359 --> 00:30:59.460
but it just looks like employer and employee.

584
00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:00.779
And you think no one else is around.

585
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:02.220
Is this just like your play?

586
00:31:02.460 --> 00:31:03.000
this what you do?

587
00:31:03.059 --> 00:31:06.359
Or is this or is this troubling power dynamics?

588
00:31:06.420 --> 00:31:07.619
Is Jenny have like, no.

589
00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:09.839
No agency at all.

590
00:31:09.900 --> 00:31:10.440
She's into it.

591
00:31:10.500 --> 00:31:12.539
She's totally Except for the one that got her the job.

592
00:31:14.220 --> 00:31:18.839
So that is actually a really terrifically funny scene as well, I

593
00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:19.799
think, you know.

594
00:31:19.859 --> 00:31:26.460
And that's the other thing, that I think it's Santa who says that

595
00:31:26.460 --> 00:31:31.619
Bob Holmes could write Doctor Who in his sleep, and we know that

596
00:31:31.619 --> 00:31:33.359
because we've seen the results.

597
00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:41.099
And it's true here with Moffatt that Moffatt can just vamp.

598
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:44.339
Like he can just spend 20 minutes kind of delaying the doctor's

599
00:31:44.339 --> 00:31:49.440
arrival with all of this stuff and still make entertaining TV, I

600
00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:49.680
think.

601
00:31:49.740 --> 00:31:53.940
And I think it is, there is a point to it, of course, because

602
00:31:53.940 --> 00:31:58.740
fetishising the doctor is a problem and becomes a problem.

603
00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:06.359
And so we learn for the 2nd time, again, Peter, sort of 98

604
00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:10.380
episodes ago, that the real issue here is that the doctor is

605
00:32:10.380 --> 00:32:15.000
appears so powerful that the doctor defeats everyone in episode 4

606
00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:21.660
so many 100s of times that he is the cause of all of this.

607
00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:26.400
And he's presented as a frightening figure even to his allies in

608
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:29.099
those opening scenes where the TARDIS appears and we don't see

609
00:32:29.099 --> 00:32:29.579
him.

610
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:32.099
And the Tartis appears as a threat.

611
00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:35.160
He's calling in various debts.

612
00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:39.539
And Dorium, actually, you know, he actually says, oh, you know, I

613
00:32:39.539 --> 00:32:45.059
pity the people who the TARDIS is turning up and meeting right now

614
00:32:45.059 --> 00:32:48.779
just before the TARDIS turns up and kind of takes him.

615
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:50.339
He's fantastic in that.

616
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:52.019
That's a delicious performance, isn't it?

617
00:32:52.619 --> 00:32:54.299
He's so great.

618
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:55.500
I'm fat, I'm old.

619
00:32:55.559 --> 00:32:56.940
I'm blue, you know.

620
00:32:56.940 --> 00:33:02.099
I do like how they got Matt's stunt double to stand in for his

621
00:33:02.099 --> 00:33:05.039
silhouette. silhouette.

622
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:07.559
It's a completely different haircut.

623
00:33:07.619 --> 00:33:11.279
I was just like, like a little sort of cardboard cutout.

624
00:33:11.819 --> 00:33:16.619
I mean, I do wonder if this is, you know, if this is Moffatt's

625
00:33:16.619 --> 00:33:18.900
attempt to give Matt Smith a week off work.

626
00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:22.680
You know, some parts of the episode have obviously been filmed

627
00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:24.539
during other episodes.

628
00:33:24.660 --> 00:33:27.720
Like, for instance, the, old mate, from Downton Abbey as the

629
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:30.240
pirate, like they would have just shot that on the day he was in.

630
00:33:30.299 --> 00:33:32.339
There's no for him to come back and do that.

631
00:33:32.339 --> 00:33:35.579
Because he doesn't interact with the rest of the story at all.

632
00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:38.099
Yeah, he's not even in shot with anybody else.

633
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:38.940
No.

634
00:33:38.940 --> 00:33:43.740
And the Danny Boy stuff is all voice, you know, it's all just kind

635
00:33:43.740 --> 00:33:48.059
of ADR and footage from victory of the Daleks.

636
00:33:48.119 --> 00:33:49.559
Like there's nothing new there at all.

637
00:33:49.619 --> 00:33:52.920
I was going to say they recorded they actually thought ahead and

638
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:55.079
recorded that when they were recording victory of the Dale.

639
00:33:55.140 --> 00:33:56.640
I think so.

640
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:04.380
But yeah, I did love that aspect of like, you know, because that's

641
00:34:04.380 --> 00:34:06.539
something you always wished for when you were watching Doctor Who

642
00:34:06.539 --> 00:34:07.019
as a kid.

643
00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:09.840
It's like, oh, I wish, you know, the brigadier would just pop up

644
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:11.880
for like 2 minutes and go, yeah, yeah, it's all sorted.

645
00:34:11.940 --> 00:34:13.860
But instead it's just, you know, like in time flight.

646
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:16.380
It's like, oh, just call unit and someone will sort it out.

647
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:18.119
It's like, we're not hiring Nick, that's cool.

648
00:34:18.179 --> 00:34:18.719
Yeah, yeah.

649
00:34:18.780 --> 00:34:21.480
Well, you see, I'm a big fan of the time monster.

650
00:34:21.539 --> 00:34:23.760
And what would have made the time was to complete if it wasn't

651
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:26.820
Ruth, but it was actually Liz Shaw, who was up there at Cambridge

652
00:34:26.820 --> 00:34:29.400
doing those things and she'd actually come back like, you know, a

653
00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:31.860
season or 2 later and she interacted with the master.

654
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:33.360
That would have been brilliant.

655
00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:35.820
And that's the kind of thing that we do get in modern Doctor Who.

656
00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:36.539
Yeah.

657
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:38.400
I feel like this is a lot of fan service.

658
00:34:38.460 --> 00:34:39.300
Yeah.

659
00:34:39.300 --> 00:34:42.300
They'll just recast her with her daughter and get her to come back

660
00:34:42.300 --> 00:34:44.639
and be turned into a Primord for big commercial.

661
00:34:44.699 --> 00:34:47.039
That was a very strange episode.

662
00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:51.719
So we wait 20 minutes for the doctor to come back.

663
00:34:51.780 --> 00:34:57.840
And the doctor defeats the villains in the absolute most doctor

664
00:34:57.300 --> 00:35:03.000
ish way possible by kind of, uh, like he's fun and silly when he

665
00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:03.480
arrives.

666
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:06.840
Like the moment he arrives, he's being talked up as this big giant

667
00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:08.460
terrifying threat.

668
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:11.400
And, you know, we pull the hood down and it's him and it's just

669
00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:14.699
Matt Smith being a sort of big idiot, like he always is, which is

670
00:35:14.699 --> 00:35:16.440
just kind of terribly delightful.

671
00:35:16.500 --> 00:35:22.380
And then he creates tension between the monks and the clerics.

672
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:25.380
You know, like he gets, he sort of tricks them.

673
00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:30.719
He gives that fantastic speech to Colonel Manton, which is just

674
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:32.579
Matt being sort of incredible.

675
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:34.260
So it's all Matt talking.

676
00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:35.760
And then we get this announcement.

677
00:35:35.820 --> 00:35:38.460
We've captured demons run without a shot fired.

678
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:39.420
Everyone leaves.

679
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:40.679
You know, all of that.

680
00:35:40.739 --> 00:35:43.980
And so we get the doctor fetishized as this sort of horrible

681
00:35:43.980 --> 00:35:47.340
threat, but then when he arrives, so we see the usual sort of fun

682
00:35:47.340 --> 00:35:49.320
doctorary way of solving the problem.

683
00:35:49.380 --> 00:35:52.679
And then you've got this kind of terribly awkward feeling because

684
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:55.380
there's still kind of 15 minutes of episode left.

685
00:35:55.980 --> 00:36:02.099
And so this can't be, you know, this can't be him winning the

686
00:36:02.099 --> 00:36:02.280
day.

687
00:36:02.340 --> 00:36:06.000
Even in this episode, we're not going to spend 15 minutes spinning

688
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:10.380
our wheels and then having the TARDIS materialise.

689
00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:13.139
There is something terribly Doctor Who-ish in the fact that the

690
00:36:13.139 --> 00:36:16.980
doctor's army is made up of distractors and the random pirate

691
00:36:16.980 --> 00:36:19.980
captains and their sons from Emmerdale, that feels right.

692
00:36:19.980 --> 00:36:23.579
Because when Doctor Who does military, military is never very

693
00:36:23.579 --> 00:36:24.000
interesting.

694
00:36:24.059 --> 00:36:27.119
I think we talked about this, Adam, on the Santaran structure.

695
00:36:27.539 --> 00:36:31.619
The way that unit is presented is not very fun. 70s unit works

696
00:36:31.619 --> 00:36:34.260
because it's the lovely old brigadier and his friends.

697
00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:37.139
Whereas when it becomes, you know, a crack operation with lorries

698
00:36:37.139 --> 00:36:38.579
and swanky blackberries.

699
00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:39.360
It's no fun.

700
00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:44.219
And so in this episode, the doctor's army is comprised of fun

701
00:36:44.219 --> 00:36:48.539
characters up against this kind of faceless religious army.

702
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:50.699
Yeah, and this army is quite boring.

703
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:54.780
Like even, oh, mate, Bucket, like we're meant to love her and

704
00:36:54.780 --> 00:36:56.940
she's like, look, I've done some embroidery.

705
00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:58.440
I met the doctor when I was a kid.

706
00:36:59.699 --> 00:37:02.699
And now I'm going to pass away on some stairs.

707
00:37:04.260 --> 00:37:08.039
Like, you kind of want to feel for her because she's written as a

708
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:12.000
character that you should feel for, but she's never really given

709
00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:14.159
anything to do to care about.

710
00:37:14.219 --> 00:37:18.780
Like, everyone sort of talks about her or talks to her in a way

711
00:37:18.780 --> 00:37:20.219
it's like, oh, bless, you're here.

712
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:21.360
Oh, you met the doctor once.

713
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:21.840
How nice.

714
00:37:21.900 --> 00:37:24.179
And then he has no idea who she is.

715
00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:27.719
I think I actually really like that because if we are critiquing

716
00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:28.739
the doctor as a character.

717
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:32.579
Like if we're saying that the doctor's a problem, having these

718
00:37:32.579 --> 00:37:38.280
people die because of the doctor, this young woman who ends up in

719
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:41.039
this army just so she can meet the doctor again and the doctor

720
00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:45.840
doesn't even remember her, and that's particularly gutting, I

721
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:47.880
think, because he pretends to remember her.

722
00:37:47.940 --> 00:37:49.860
And for a 2nd you think, 0 yeah, he does.

723
00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:50.579
He does.

724
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:52.920
And then she dies and it's like, who was that?

725
00:37:52.980 --> 00:37:55.440
Like, that's kind of awful?

726
00:37:55.500 --> 00:37:56.460
Like the doctor.

727
00:37:56.519 --> 00:38:01.440
And that's one of the things that Moffat does is even Matt Smith's

728
00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:06.659
doctor, who is sort of cuddly and silly and fun, is also kind of a

729
00:38:06.659 --> 00:38:07.199
problem.

730
00:38:07.260 --> 00:38:12.539
He's kind of unlikeable and a bit a bit dreadful.

731
00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:16.559
And, you know, there's a sort of self-portrait aspect to that, I

732
00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:16.739
think.

733
00:38:17.219 --> 00:38:19.260
So I like that.

734
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:23.099
And the other thing that I like her in is in that scene with Karen

735
00:38:23.099 --> 00:38:27.179
which I think is incredibly good, because the relationship between

736
00:38:27.179 --> 00:38:31.860
them seems to change in some way, like line by line.

737
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:36.000
You know, there's that wonderful thing where she sort of comes in

738
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:40.500
and is sort of trying to apologise and you wonder whether Karen's

739
00:38:40.500 --> 00:38:42.059
going to warm to that.

740
00:38:42.059 --> 00:38:45.960
And she says, can I borrow your gun, which is almost impossible to

741
00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:48.119
kind of understanding context, like what's happening?

742
00:38:48.179 --> 00:38:52.500
And it's, you know, because I've got a feeling you're going to

743
00:38:52.500 --> 00:38:53.159
keep talking.

744
00:38:53.219 --> 00:38:55.619
And it's nice cold.

745
00:38:55.679 --> 00:39:00.179
It's really, but by the end of it, she has accepted the gift and

746
00:39:00.179 --> 00:39:01.500
has warm to her.

747
00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:05.519
And I think I think the 2 of them work really, really well

748
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:06.360
together.

749
00:39:06.420 --> 00:39:08.159
It's it's a good scene.

750
00:39:08.219 --> 00:39:12.900
So, like, I can see what she's doing there, I think.

751
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:17.400
She's not just there to drop the clue, you know, for the, you know

752
00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:18.480
the thing.

753
00:39:18.539 --> 00:39:19.500
She is there.

754
00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:20.460
I think.

755
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:24.360
I thought she was there to allow Moffatt to use that idea that

756
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:28.980
he'd come up with on Records, Doctor Who in 1995, that the name of

757
00:39:28.980 --> 00:39:32.280
the doctor was what inspired the word doctor.

758
00:39:32.340 --> 00:39:33.840
Yeah, okay.

759
00:39:33.900 --> 00:39:35.460
Yeah, yeah, there's that.

760
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:37.619
And that, I think, is super telling as well.

761
00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:41.219
You know, like the, we've had the master say that the doctor chose

762
00:39:41.219 --> 00:39:44.699
his name because he's the person who makes people better.

763
00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:49.139
And so to have the idea that in fact, no, for the people of the

764
00:39:49.139 --> 00:39:53.639
gamma forest or whatever, the word doctor means a mighty warrior.

765
00:39:54.539 --> 00:39:58.980
And River, doing that speech, you know, when you're a silly old

766
00:39:58.980 --> 00:40:02.579
man and you left in the junkyard and all of that, she doesn't say

767
00:40:02.579 --> 00:40:02.880
that.

768
00:40:02.940 --> 00:40:06.179
But like when you 1st started out, you set out to explore the

769
00:40:06.179 --> 00:40:10.019
universe and instead you've just been blowing bad guys up for like

770
00:40:10.019 --> 00:40:13.800
32 seasons or whatever, look what you've turned into.

771
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:16.320
Like, you know, I think that's good.

772
00:40:16.380 --> 00:40:17.219
I think that's interesting.

773
00:40:17.699 --> 00:40:22.019
Yeah, I love all that stuff, but it's, yeah, there's just, I don't

774
00:40:22.019 --> 00:40:22.199
know.

775
00:40:22.260 --> 00:40:25.500
Like, it's one of those things where I feel like this episode is

776
00:40:25.500 --> 00:40:28.619
less than the sum of its parts, because there's so many fun things

777
00:40:28.619 --> 00:40:31.739
in it, and it's so entertaining, and you've got that emotional gut

778
00:40:31.739 --> 00:40:34.739
punch at the end, and then you get to the end of it, and you're

779
00:40:34.739 --> 00:40:36.420
like, did anything happen?

780
00:40:38.820 --> 00:40:44.039
Other than a couple of, you know, ongoing plot points being a

781
00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:48.119
vaguely resolved with, you know, who is River, which has been

782
00:40:48.119 --> 00:40:51.659
going on for 3 years now, um, 4 years actually.

783
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:57.900
And then, oh, but where's the baby, what's happening next?

784
00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:00.119
Like, where's what is going on with all this stuff?

785
00:41:00.179 --> 00:41:02.460
We've still got the unresolved thing from episode one hanging over

786
00:41:02.460 --> 00:41:02.820
our head.

787
00:41:02.940 --> 00:41:03.659
Yeah.

788
00:41:03.659 --> 00:41:09.179
And yeah, it feels like it's it's doing a lot to do nothing.

789
00:41:09.659 --> 00:41:13.800
It reminds me of kind of 80s Doctor Who. like relentlessly

790
00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:15.659
entertaining heaps of guest stars.

791
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:20.219
Amazing lighting, but who the fuck knows what happens in earth

792
00:41:20.219 --> 00:41:20.940
shop, really.

793
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:34.260
You kind of get the feeling with this episode that it's really a

794
00:41:34.260 --> 00:41:37.679
rearranging of chess pieces on a board to get them into the

795
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:39.960
position you need for the rest of the season.

796
00:41:40.019 --> 00:41:43.380
And then you don't really use it until the last episode anyway.

797
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:44.039
Yeah.

798
00:41:44.099 --> 00:41:48.119
I want to compare it to Planet of Fire.

799
00:41:48.179 --> 00:41:49.139
Right.

800
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:49.920
Oh, yeah.

801
00:41:49.980 --> 00:41:55.019
And Planet of Fire has to write out the Master has to introduce

802
00:41:55.019 --> 00:42:00.780
Perry, has to write out a Chameleon has to write out Turlow.

803
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:05.579
And it doesn't quite function as a story because of that.

804
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:09.840
But I don't mind that.

805
00:42:09.900 --> 00:42:14.219
Like, I actually think that the idea that the doctor has to have a

806
00:42:14.219 --> 00:42:16.079
sort of complex adventure every week.

807
00:42:16.139 --> 00:42:20.699
I think that's a problem and it's much, much more interesting to

808
00:42:20.699 --> 00:42:23.159
do something, say, like Boomtown, right?

809
00:42:23.219 --> 00:42:27.539
Where there isn't really a story there, but there's a lot of

810
00:42:27.539 --> 00:42:30.780
character interaction and there's a central moral dilemma and

811
00:42:30.780 --> 00:42:34.260
there's a theme and some interesting, funny stuff.

812
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:40.320
And so, while I don't think this is as successful as Boomtown at

813
00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:42.480
all, like I'm not nearly.

814
00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:47.039
I'm absolutely having that badland in it, so it can't be

815
00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:47.699
successful.

816
00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:48.420
Well, that's it.

817
00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:49.440
By definition.

818
00:42:49.500 --> 00:42:54.900
They're the rules But I'm not completely cross at it because it

819
00:42:54.900 --> 00:42:57.719
doesn't actually manage to have a story in a way.

820
00:42:58.260 --> 00:43:02.159
It feels to me like this is an arc condensed into an episode.

821
00:43:02.219 --> 00:43:05.219
So all the things that happen in this episode without any real

822
00:43:05.219 --> 00:43:08.940
linking story or themes to them. other things that feel like they

823
00:43:08.940 --> 00:43:12.239
should be spread over a season or half a season to get to this

824
00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:12.420
point.

825
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:13.500
Yeah.

826
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:15.960
And I mean, bringing all the, I guess, bringing all those people

827
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:19.920
back from previous episodes is trying to go, well, that's why they

828
00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:22.320
were in that episode because they were really integral to this

829
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:22.559
one.

830
00:43:22.619 --> 00:43:25.019
It's like, no, you've done it the wrong way around, right?

831
00:43:26.760 --> 00:43:33.840
Each episode since the day of the moon has reiterated the arc

832
00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:36.480
elements, but hasn't progressed them in any way.

833
00:43:36.539 --> 00:43:41.099
So all that we've had are scenes reminding us that Amy knows the

834
00:43:41.099 --> 00:43:44.760
doctor's going to die, that the doctor knows that Amy has some

835
00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:48.059
weird quantum pregnancy that might be happening or might not be

836
00:43:48.059 --> 00:43:48.420
happening.

837
00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:51.179
We've had...

838
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:53.880
So we keep being reminded of those things.

839
00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:58.199
And I think we decided that their presence in Curse of the Black

840
00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:02.159
Spot actually caused proper problems with that story.

841
00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:06.119
But they don't progress the arc at all.

842
00:44:06.179 --> 00:44:09.059
So basically you've got the impossible astronaut that sets up all

843
00:44:09.059 --> 00:44:11.940
of these kind of weird plot things.

844
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:15.360
You've got this which seems to have no function other than to

845
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:18.840
progress the bigger plot, but doesn't actually manage really to be

846
00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:20.159
a story in itself.

847
00:44:20.219 --> 00:44:24.539
And it, like, I think we might find that that continues next time

848
00:44:24.539 --> 00:44:25.199
as well.

849
00:44:25.260 --> 00:44:30.780
I think part of my distaste with this episode is because of it

850
00:44:30.780 --> 00:44:32.880
felt like it was going somewhere amazing.

851
00:44:32.940 --> 00:44:38.820
And then most of the exposition that relates to where this, where

852
00:44:38.820 --> 00:44:42.360
this went after this is done kind of offscreen.

853
00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:46.440
It's sort of like, oh, yeah, I was raised to be a psychopath.

854
00:44:46.500 --> 00:44:48.840
I was like, okay.

855
00:44:48.900 --> 00:44:51.900
And part of it is high expectations as well.

856
00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:54.360
I'm used to Moffat delivering, damn it.

857
00:44:54.420 --> 00:44:57.900
I'm used to him delivering all this arc stuff and telling a really

858
00:44:57.900 --> 00:44:58.980
good story at the same time.

859
00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:00.840
So when he doesn't, I'm like, come on.

860
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:05.699
I just find, yeah, I think he's just like, the ending is

861
00:45:05.699 --> 00:45:12.480
emotionally satisfying, but I feel like narratively, it doesn't, it

862
00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:13.380
doesn't satisfy.

863
00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:16.619
Also, again, this is because future episodes kind of tear it apart

864
00:45:16.619 --> 00:45:19.500
but we've had 3 really impactful deaths right here at the end.

865
00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:24.599
And at least 2 of them turn up again in some form, even though one

866
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:25.440
is ahead in a box.

867
00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:29.579
And one of them is an idiot nurse.

868
00:45:29.699 --> 00:45:34.320
But, you know, like the only real death is the one character who

869
00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:37.440
was not really well developed, except for one scene she had with

870
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:38.519
Amy.

871
00:45:38.579 --> 00:45:44.699
So it's, Yeah, I feel like it's, I don't know, like, after the

872
00:45:44.699 --> 00:45:50.880
death of the flight attendant in midnight, who you just go, Reiki

873
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:55.380
just doing an amazing job, like you really get a sense of her as a

874
00:45:55.380 --> 00:45:55.800
character.

875
00:45:55.860 --> 00:45:58.739
And so that sacrifice at the end of that episode is quite

876
00:45:58.739 --> 00:46:00.239
impactful.

877
00:46:00.300 --> 00:46:02.519
But here people are being killed left, right and centre and you're

878
00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:03.420
like, oh, yeah.

879
00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:04.079
Okay.

880
00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:09.300
I also think too, that if the if the central thing of the story is

881
00:46:09.300 --> 00:46:13.139
learning something about the doctor, that the doctor is a problem

882
00:46:13.139 --> 00:46:17.519
in some way and that the doctor has caused this.

883
00:46:17.579 --> 00:46:21.000
But we're not really in a position for the doctor to be able to

884
00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:25.500
learn from that and do better in future because the story is about

885
00:46:25.500 --> 00:46:28.800
him going to planets and saving them and blowing up bad guys.

886
00:46:28.860 --> 00:46:33.599
And so this revelation is interesting to us in a way.

887
00:46:33.659 --> 00:46:37.980
It gives us pause about whether the doctor is a good person or

888
00:46:37.980 --> 00:46:38.280
not.

889
00:46:38.340 --> 00:46:40.860
And that's something that he'll continue to develop.

890
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:45.539
But like, what does it, what does the doctor learn from this?

891
00:46:45.659 --> 00:46:48.179
How is he going to mend his ways?

892
00:46:48.239 --> 00:46:49.559
How can he possibly do that?

893
00:46:49.739 --> 00:46:52.079
It's slightly meaningless, isn't it?

894
00:46:53.099 --> 00:46:55.800
Like it's, again, it's all fun.

895
00:46:55.860 --> 00:46:58.619
Like it is relentlessly fun all the way through.

896
00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:03.059
Great gags, amazing, you know, big explosive moments, but then

897
00:47:03.059 --> 00:47:07.260
it's, I don't know, it's, at the end, you feel like you've had too

898
00:47:07.260 --> 00:47:10.199
much sugar and there have been no vegetables for dinner.

899
00:47:10.260 --> 00:47:12.300
That's just dinner for me.

900
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:43.920
Well, the listener, that's all we have time for this week.

901
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:47.579
We'll be taking a short mid season break, but we'll be back soon

902
00:47:47.579 --> 00:47:51.719
to continue the search from Melody Pond in Let's Kill Hitler.

903
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:55.500
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts

904
00:47:55.500 --> 00:47:58.739
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905
00:47:58.739 --> 00:48:03.480
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906
00:48:01.739 --> 00:48:06.659
com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger

907
00:48:06.659 --> 00:48:09.539
Jody interterra, and maximum power.

908
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:12.780
Adam, where can people find you?

909
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:16.139
Uh, just in my house, like everyone else.

910
00:48:16.619 --> 00:48:18.539
Not allowed to leave.

911
00:48:18.599 --> 00:48:21.840
I'm at Adam Richard on Twitter and Instagram.

912
00:48:21.900 --> 00:48:25.380
Fabulous Adam Richard on Facebook, and you can listen to my Daily

913
00:48:25.380 --> 00:48:29.760
Doctor Who podcast, which is Adam Richard has a theory, where I

914
00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:30.059
do.

915
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:31.019
It was only 10 minutes a day.

916
00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:32.159
Dont worry, I'm not gonna freak you out.

917
00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:36.300
Well, until next time, remember that when someone tries to convert

918
00:48:36.300 --> 00:48:39.360
you to their religion, it's usually a good idea to decline

919
00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:40.739
politely.

920
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:43.619
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

921
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:44.940
Good night.

922
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:46.079
Good night.

923
00:48:46.139 --> 00:48:46.619
Good night.

924
00:48:50.820 --> 00:48:54.780
That was flight through entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, Peter

925
00:48:54.780 --> 00:48:56.760
Gritter, Adam, Richard, and James Selwood.

926
00:48:56.820 --> 00:48:58.860
Theme arrangement by Cameron Lam.

927
00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:02.699
This episode, Lesbian Spank Inferno, was recorded on the 22nd of

928
00:49:02.699 --> 00:49:05.760
August 2021 and released on the 24th of October.

929
00:49:06.300 --> 00:49:10.199
It was nearly 3 months between the 1st broadcast of a good man

930
00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:13.619
goes to war and let's kill Hitler, but we'll be back with you on

931
00:49:13.619 --> 00:49:14.519
the 7th of November.

932
00:49:14.579 --> 00:49:18.480
Before then, we'll have the television debut of Series 13 of

933
00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:21.599
Doctor Who and the return of Jody into Terra a couple of days

934
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:21.900
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935
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:25.619
So go to JodyintoTera.com and subscribe now.

936
00:49:26.639 --> 00:49:29.039
There have been no vegetables for dinner.

937
00:49:30.059 --> 00:49:32.159
That's just dinner for me.

938
00:49:33.539 --> 00:49:36.119
Add lollies for dinner again.

939
00:49:36.179 --> 00:49:37.739
It's lockdown.

940
00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:38.579
You're allowed to have anything.

941
00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:40.019
I think that's an out.

942
00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:41.159
Do you know what I mean?

943
00:49:41.219 --> 00:49:42.119
Like, I think that's an ow.

944
00:49:42.179 --> 00:49:43.260
That sounds like a summary.

945
00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:44.159
Do you know what I mean?

946
00:49:44.219 --> 00:49:45.960
I think that sounds like a thing to go out on.

947
00:49:46.019 --> 00:49:46.619
Cool.

948
00:49:46.619 --> 00:49:49.079
So, yeah.

949
00:49:49.139 --> 00:49:53.820
Did you know, and I couldn't work this in at the time, because

950
00:49:53.820 --> 00:49:56.699
there wasn't no space, you know what Peter Hall went on to direct

951
00:49:56.699 --> 00:49:57.179
Nathan?

952
00:49:57.300 --> 00:49:58.679
No.

953
00:49:58.679 --> 00:49:59.579
It's a sin.

954
00:49:59.699 --> 00:50:01.139
Wow.

955
00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:02.400
The whole thing.

956
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:03.119
Yeah.

957
00:50:03.179 --> 00:50:04.500
He directed the entire thing.

958
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:05.519
Yeah.

959
00:50:05.579 --> 00:50:06.179
Wow.

960
00:50:06.300 --> 00:50:08.340
You know what he started on?

961
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:09.420
Grange Hill.

962
00:50:09.539 --> 00:50:11.219
Oh, bless.

963
00:50:11.219 --> 00:50:12.000
Yay.

964
00:50:12.059 --> 00:50:16.260
That sounds like a pretty natural trajectory for sort of an

965
00:50:16.260 --> 00:50:17.099
English.

966
00:50:17.099 --> 00:50:20.760
Surprisingly little emotional growth between those 2 things.

967
00:50:22.500 --> 00:50:24.360
Oh, God.

968
00:50:24.420 --> 00:50:25.559
Seriously.

969
00:50:28.619 --> 00:50:30.780
Did anyone else really like the name Lorna Bucket?

970
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:32.820
It's Amy Pond?

971
00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:34.260
I mean, it is just AB Pond.

972
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:36.360
It's another one of his...

973
00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:37.860
Sherrytale names.

974
00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:41.940
That's carrying... the puddle.

975
00:50:42.059 --> 00:50:42.360
No.

976
00:50:42.420 --> 00:50:45.420
But, you know, like as in, she's the one that delivers the thing

977
00:50:45.420 --> 00:50:49.920
about the names being like water related.

978
00:50:49.980 --> 00:50:50.579
She's a bucket.

979
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:51.420
It's a bucket.

980
00:50:51.480 --> 00:50:51.840
Yeah, yeah.

981
00:50:51.900 --> 00:50:54.300
Like, she, oh my god.

982
00:50:54.900 --> 00:51:00.360
No, it's I think that that that's it. you know, anyway, the gamma

983
00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:01.440
forest who gives a shit?

984
00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:07.320
My head can enter as being the offspring of Charlie Bucket from

985
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:10.079
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and Hyacinth Bucket.

986
00:51:12.059 --> 00:51:13.800
Bouquet.

987
00:51:13.800 --> 00:51:16.980
Bouquet.

988
00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:22.019
I decided the other day that Susan is Jenny's daughter.

989
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:24.179
Oh, brilliant.

990
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:25.260
That's canon.

991
00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:28.199
So that the doctor never has to have sex.

992
00:51:28.260 --> 00:51:30.599
Yeah, he's never had sex.

993
00:51:31.260 --> 00:51:36.719
Excepting that night that lasts 24 years in the husband's room.

994
00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:38.159
Jigsaw puzzles and stuff.

995
00:51:38.219 --> 00:51:41.940
Look, I think she was perpetually randy, but you know, sorting

996
00:51:41.940 --> 00:51:44.880
herself out. fiddling with his sonic screendriver.

997
00:51:44.940 --> 00:51:48.360
And she's fiddling with hers. putting up shelves.

998
00:51:48.420 --> 00:51:49.800
It has threesomes.

999
00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:50.400
That was a trowel.

1000
00:51:50.460 --> 00:51:53.820
Hey, James, James, I'm sure you'll be able to tell me this.

1001
00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:55.139
Were they back at the paper mill?

1002
00:51:55.440 --> 00:51:58.500
Um, for which scenes?

1003
00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:01.739
Well, all of them, sort of.

1004
00:52:01.739 --> 00:52:02.579
No, no.

1005
00:52:02.639 --> 00:52:04.139
I don't think they were at a paper mill.

1006
00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:05.039
Like they were...

1007
00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:06.719
I do have it.

1008
00:52:06.780 --> 00:52:07.320
Yeah.

1009
00:52:08.460 --> 00:52:10.139
So...

1010
00:52:10.139 --> 00:52:14.099
The battlefield is a cement factory.

1011
00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:16.320
Excellent.

1012
00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:19.199
Like, you know, where they pick up tracks, yeah.

1013
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:28.079
And then the Demon's Run is an a mega army hanger.

1014
00:52:28.139 --> 00:52:31.019
Like, um, yep.

1015
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:38.699
And, and then the, the sort of subterranean bits of that are um, or

1016
00:52:38.699 --> 00:52:40.199
a power station in Newport.

1017
00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:43.500
What if it wasn't the paper mill?

1018
00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:47.280
I was going to say it was oddly missing it, you know, so painful.

1019
00:52:47.340 --> 00:52:49.199
I just wanted to be back there.

1020
00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:53.460
Ed Thomas is standing in front of that paper mill with a shotgun

1021
00:52:53.460 --> 00:52:55.619
and he won't let Pickwode anywhere near it.

1022
00:52:57.179 --> 00:52:59.340
You can't touch it.

1023
00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:00.960
That's it.

1024
00:53:01.019 --> 00:53:05.639
Ed Thomas had been eating out of his misery from leaving the

1025
00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:07.619
series and was now cast as Dorian.

1026
00:53:08.340 --> 00:53:10.079
We're all there.

1027
00:53:10.139 --> 00:53:11.940
I'll be there by the end of lockdown.

1028
00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:12.480
I tell you what.

1029
00:53:12.539 --> 00:53:13.860
I'll be there by the end of the podcast.

1030
00:53:13.860 --> 00:53:16.320
Did you know that Dorian was actually meant to be was actually

1031
00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:17.400
meant to be Captain Jack?

1032
00:53:17.699 --> 00:53:19.079
Really?

1033
00:53:19.139 --> 00:53:21.420
Yeah, Captain Jack was meant to be back.

1034
00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:24.119
But I think...

1035
00:53:24.119 --> 00:53:24.840
Miracle Day.

1036
00:53:25.260 --> 00:53:29.340
They also they also filmed a scene with Ud Sigma.

1037
00:53:29.400 --> 00:53:33.420
Like they filmed the scene with a Sigma and cut it for time.

1038
00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:37.079
Yeah, because the ud get a credit at the end.

1039
00:53:37.139 --> 00:53:38.760
Yeah, that's why the credits in the end.

1040
00:53:38.820 --> 00:53:39.059
Yeah.

1041
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:41.340
Yeah, it's created by.

1042
00:53:41.400 --> 00:53:42.900
I was like, I don't remember an oo.

1043
00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:44.340
Yeah.

1044
00:53:45.539 --> 00:53:50.579
It was already, you know, all of Moffat's day poll figures, you

1045
00:53:50.579 --> 00:53:52.739
know, like pulled out of the cupboard.

1046
00:53:52.980 --> 00:53:55.079
Sorted with no cap.

1047
00:53:55.139 --> 00:53:57.119
And day Paul figures.

1048
00:53:57.539 --> 00:54:00.059
Oh, no, that's...

1049
00:54:00.059 --> 00:54:02.099
Well, that's what's...

1050
00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:04.320
Webber fear part three.

1051
00:54:04.380 --> 00:54:05.159
Don't talk about that.

1052
00:54:05.219 --> 00:54:06.119
I haven't got it yet.

1053
00:54:06.179 --> 00:54:07.079
I haven't ordered it.

1054
00:54:07.139 --> 00:54:08.880
I've only watched it.

1055
00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:12.360
You can come over and watch it at mine when I get received the Blu

1056
00:54:11.880 --> 00:54:15.960
ray. break lockdown to watch that. be illegal.

1057
00:54:16.860 --> 00:54:19.320
Mick Fuller would come around to my house.

1058
00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:21.960
All right.

1059
00:54:22.019 --> 00:54:23.039
Okay, here goes.

1060
00:54:23.099 --> 00:54:24.059
So let's do the outro.

1061
00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:31.679
Well, dear listener, that's all we have time for this week.