WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-04 at 13:36:15 1 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:39.840 Hello, dear listen, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety. 2 00:00:39.899 --> 00:00:43.920 The only Doctor Who podcast, which has never found itself weirdly 3 00:00:43.920 --> 00:00:46.500 distracted by the sight of the Venus de Milo. 4 00:00:46.560 --> 00:00:48.119 I'm Nathan. 5 00:00:48.179 --> 00:00:49.679 I'm Todd. 6 00:00:49.740 --> 00:00:54.600 I'm Simon, and I'm a sacrificial Scarlione Mona Lisa for this 7 00:00:54.600 --> 00:00:54.780 one. 8 00:00:55.079 --> 00:00:59.640 Well, implausibly enough, the Dr. Amy and Rory have arrived at 9 00:00:59.640 --> 00:01:02.399 Apalapicia during a global pandemic. 10 00:01:02.460 --> 00:01:06.540 And when their cosplay reenactment of the arc in space part one 11 00:01:06.540 --> 00:01:07.739 goes horribly wrong. 12 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:11.939 It looks like the cheerful, genial, carefree Amy, we've grown to 13 00:01:11.939 --> 00:01:15.840 love, will be lost forever under a massive layer of latex. 14 00:01:15.900 --> 00:01:18.480 Can the doctor resolve this paradox? 15 00:01:18.540 --> 00:01:22.260 Let's find out as we discuss the girl who waited. 16 00:01:46.379 --> 00:01:51.180 I want to start by saying, I think that the setup makes no sense. 17 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:56.939 And I don't normally care about these things at all, but I don't 18 00:01:56.939 --> 00:02:01.500 know what this wretched quarantine facility is supposed to be 19 00:02:01.500 --> 00:02:01.799 doing. 20 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:07.680 Isn't it supposed to be, um, allowing people who have one day to 21 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:09.960 live to basically live out the rest of their life? 22 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:11.280 Exactly. 23 00:02:11.340 --> 00:02:15.719 I'm pining for, I'm pining for budget departure lounges as we 24 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:20.400 speak, that one day, that one day that stretches into what feels 25 00:02:20.400 --> 00:02:23.280 like eternity, who would have thought we would long for such 26 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:23.580 things? 27 00:02:25.020 --> 00:02:27.840 I think it's the Millennium Centre, isn't it? 28 00:02:27.900 --> 00:02:29.819 The lobbying sort of upstairs. 29 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:30.960 Really? 30 00:02:31.020 --> 00:02:33.780 I thought it was Cardiff National Airways. 31 00:02:34.740 --> 00:02:39.900 It has featured very prominently as another hospital in New Earth 32 00:02:39.900 --> 00:02:40.500 I think. 33 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:43.139 We have certainly sort of seen that area before. 34 00:02:43.259 --> 00:02:49.319 No, so it is meant to allow people who have a day to live, to live 35 00:02:49.319 --> 00:02:53.699 a sort of long life in that day, and that's the effect that we 36 00:02:53.699 --> 00:02:54.000 see. 37 00:02:54.060 --> 00:03:01.979 But if they have only a day to live and the time is speeded up, why 38 00:03:01.979 --> 00:03:05.520 is the sort of advancement of the disease not speeded up as well? 39 00:03:05.580 --> 00:03:06.539 Just... 40 00:03:06.659 --> 00:03:09.300 Well, it's clear that Amy, when she was waiting 2 weeks or 3 weeks 41 00:03:09.300 --> 00:03:13.500 or however long it was in that 1st advance that she has, she says 42 00:03:13.500 --> 00:03:15.300 you know, the doctor asks, what did you eat? 43 00:03:15.900 --> 00:03:17.280 And she says, well, I didn't feel hungry. 44 00:03:17.340 --> 00:03:22.439 And so it's obvious to me anyway, that all those things. 45 00:03:22.500 --> 00:03:26.099 Like, it's probably in the 36 odd years that Amy's there that she 46 00:03:26.099 --> 00:03:28.439 doesn't even have a sandwich to keep her going. 47 00:03:28.500 --> 00:03:31.680 It's like, you know, people on television, never having to go to 48 00:03:31.680 --> 00:03:32.159 the toilet. 49 00:03:32.219 --> 00:03:33.419 The same principle applies here. 50 00:03:33.479 --> 00:03:35.219 Yes, okay. 51 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:35.580 Okay. 52 00:03:35.639 --> 00:03:36.360 So I'm with that. 53 00:03:36.419 --> 00:03:40.500 So there is some kind of metabolic thing happening that means that 54 00:03:40.500 --> 00:03:43.439 they really sort of actually only experience a day. 55 00:03:43.500 --> 00:03:46.319 They're probably peckish by the end of it, you know, at the end of 56 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:46.740 the day. 57 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:50.759 Yes, but they're distracted by Disneyland Clom and various other 58 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:51.180 things. 59 00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:54.479 And so that sort of keeps them going. 60 00:03:54.539 --> 00:03:57.840 I was very, very confused and it's the 1st time I've even thought 61 00:03:57.840 --> 00:03:58.319 to wonder. 62 00:03:58.979 --> 00:04:03.659 Reminds me of a Star Trek Voyager or TNG episode. 63 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:04.740 It does. 64 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:06.539 I thought that too. really is. 65 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:08.219 Is there a specific one? 66 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:10.740 No, just one. generally. 67 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:14.699 I think there's a Voyager episode called Wink of an Eye. 68 00:04:14.759 --> 00:04:16.019 Did I dream that? 69 00:04:16.019 --> 00:04:17.160 or Blinker. 70 00:04:17.220 --> 00:04:18.720 I can't remember which of those. 71 00:04:18.779 --> 00:04:21.600 Mid-season, but it is a special, I believe it's also called. 72 00:04:21.660 --> 00:04:23.040 That's right. 73 00:04:23.100 --> 00:04:23.699 That's right. 74 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:29.100 It does have a very sort of high concept Star Trek feel to it in a 75 00:04:29.100 --> 00:04:32.699 way that is a little bit unusual for Doctor Who. 76 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:35.759 But I felt that way initially about Amy's choice last year as 77 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:36.000 well. 78 00:04:36.060 --> 00:04:39.660 I thought that that was not really a traditional sort of Doctor 79 00:04:39.660 --> 00:04:40.560 Who approach. 80 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:44.519 Another closely observed story of a tight cast. 81 00:04:44.579 --> 00:04:47.819 May I say, this is one of my favourites of the season and watching 82 00:04:47.819 --> 00:04:48.420 it again. 83 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:51.060 I like it even more than I did the 1st time. 84 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:52.319 I agree. 85 00:04:52.439 --> 00:04:56.220 Yeah, I loved it and it only gets better on repeated viewings. 86 00:04:56.279 --> 00:04:59.759 Because it allows the actors to show us the reason they're on 87 00:04:59.759 --> 00:05:00.180 screen. 88 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:04.620 They're great performers and they have a brilliant dynamic and 89 00:05:04.620 --> 00:05:07.920 empathy with each other and it's a superb episode. 90 00:05:07.980 --> 00:05:10.500 I also think Tom McRae is very good. 91 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:12.660 Again, I'm surprised at the subtleties. 92 00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:13.980 It shouldn't work. 93 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:17.279 It's a bit hokey and as you said, it actually feels, I don't even 94 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:18.420 know if it's Voyager. 95 00:05:18.540 --> 00:05:22.920 It feels more lower decks with less jokes in that it's just, it 96 00:05:22.920 --> 00:05:25.379 just feels one of those tightly confined things that feels as if 97 00:05:25.379 --> 00:05:28.500 it's a lampoon of the show itself or it starts off that way. 98 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:29.879 Oh, look, there's a choice. 99 00:05:29.939 --> 00:05:30.660 There's a lift. 100 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:31.680 Oh, we're in a white room. 101 00:05:31.740 --> 00:05:32.579 It's so meta. 102 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:36.420 And again, Matt Smith and the doctor will also throw in a few of 103 00:05:36.420 --> 00:05:38.639 those lines just to show that, oh, no, it's all a bit light. 104 00:05:38.699 --> 00:05:42.000 And then suddenly, we're facing the idea of ageing alone and being 105 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:45.959 separated from those we love and having to survive in our heads. 106 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:48.600 And you didn't mention lockdown, did you, Nathan? 107 00:05:48.660 --> 00:05:49.379 So I shan't. 108 00:05:52.319 --> 00:05:57.959 But I think, Nathan, if I can say, um, and Todd, uh, I think the 109 00:05:57.959 --> 00:06:02.579 reason it feels like uh, a bit like a Star Trek episode, um, and I 110 00:06:02.579 --> 00:06:05.459 don't think it's just the, the art direction. 111 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:08.939 I think it's the fact that it's one of those examples of the new 112 00:06:08.939 --> 00:06:13.379 series doing a 45 minute episode which feels like it's designed to 113 00:06:13.379 --> 00:06:15.240 be a 45 minute episode. 114 00:06:15.240 --> 00:06:17.699 And that, of course, is what the Star Trek format is. 115 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:18.420 Yeah. 116 00:06:18.420 --> 00:06:22.139 I think where, I mean, I've heard this conversation many times, I 117 00:06:22.139 --> 00:06:24.839 know, but I'll bring it up, again, I think for me when modern 118 00:06:24.839 --> 00:06:29.100 Doctor Who is unsatisfactory is when it's trying to do a story of 119 00:06:29.100 --> 00:06:33.480 the scope of the classic series in terms of length, but squishing 120 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:34.439 it into 45 minutes. 121 00:06:34.500 --> 00:06:38.040 Sometimes that works, but sometimes it's just unsatisfactory. 122 00:06:38.100 --> 00:06:43.620 I think when the new series is spectacular, this, the doctor's 123 00:06:43.620 --> 00:06:46.500 wife, for instance, another one notable from this season, it's 124 00:06:46.500 --> 00:06:50.399 when it's doing something that the original series never touched 125 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:53.279 because it works in the 45 minute format. 126 00:06:53.339 --> 00:06:58.620 Yeah, you certainly, I think, couldn't do this as a four-parter. 127 00:06:58.680 --> 00:06:59.939 No, it'd be terrible. 128 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:01.139 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 129 00:07:01.199 --> 00:07:01.740 Yeah. 130 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:05.519 This is one of my 3 favourite episodes of the season. 131 00:07:05.579 --> 00:07:08.939 If I don't count the Christmas Carol Christmas special, the 132 00:07:08.939 --> 00:07:11.339 other's been the doctor's wife and next week's episode, the gold 133 00:07:11.339 --> 00:07:12.779 complex, which I think is extraordinary. 134 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:15.300 But my big question is, like, would you have pushed the green 135 00:07:15.300 --> 00:07:19.259 button or the red button, like, like, I just would have normally 136 00:07:19.259 --> 00:07:19.980 gone for green. 137 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:23.459 I don't know why, like, you know, like, I just think that's really 138 00:07:23.459 --> 00:07:23.759 funny. 139 00:07:23.819 --> 00:07:25.740 And the doctor's coat. 140 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:27.540 This is the 1st time he wears that long coat. 141 00:07:28.139 --> 00:07:30.660 No, he actually wore it. 142 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:32.160 Where did he wear it? 143 00:07:32.220 --> 00:07:34.500 Let's kill Hitler. in Let's kill Hitler. 144 00:07:34.560 --> 00:07:34.920 Yeah, yeah. 145 00:07:34.980 --> 00:07:38.699 Yes, we did have a discussion of it back then and Simon was not a 146 00:07:38.699 --> 00:07:40.259 fan, I seem to remember. 147 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:42.180 I love the line of the original. 148 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:45.300 No, Jody wasn't the 1st doctor to go to the op shop. 149 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:46.860 Do you remember Army? 150 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:51.420 Do you remember Army Surplus in the 80s when there was a battalion 151 00:07:51.420 --> 00:07:52.620 of students wearing these things? 152 00:07:52.740 --> 00:07:52.920 Yeah. 153 00:07:52.980 --> 00:07:54.899 Yeah, it was definitely a thing. 154 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:57.540 Often roleplaying games, weren't they? 155 00:07:58.500 --> 00:08:01.860 Well, I'm feeling a bit attacked right now. 156 00:08:09.060 --> 00:08:13.079 You mentioned the God complex, Todd, and this is, I think, Nick 157 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:18.660 Curran's 1st episode as director, and he will do the God complex 158 00:08:18.660 --> 00:08:23.160 next week, and I think he does an extraordinary job. 159 00:08:23.220 --> 00:08:25.319 He will be back. 160 00:08:25.379 --> 00:08:31.319 I mean, he does the Angels of Manhattan and the Star of the Daleks 161 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:32.279 and then Dave the Doctor. 162 00:08:32.340 --> 00:08:36.899 And I think all these episodes have the film, the way it's filmed 163 00:08:36.899 --> 00:08:40.080 and the locations. 164 00:08:40.139 --> 00:08:41.580 I just, I think he's a great director. 165 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:42.299 I really do. 166 00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:44.100 I can see why he's caught back. 167 00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:48.240 Yeah, the white rooms, which could look really cheesy, and in the 168 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:51.059 classic series, when it sort of attempted to do white rooms to do 169 00:08:51.059 --> 00:08:54.419 sort of ultra modern things, the lighting wasn't up to it, and 170 00:08:54.419 --> 00:08:58.139 perhaps the people painting the sets weren't as careful as they 171 00:08:58.139 --> 00:08:58.740 might have been. 172 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:00.240 And it never... 173 00:09:00.299 --> 00:09:01.500 There'd usually be footprints. 174 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:02.879 That's right. 175 00:09:02.940 --> 00:09:05.039 It never, ever quite comes off. 176 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:07.080 But here I think it's just beautifully done. 177 00:09:07.139 --> 00:09:10.620 And there's an incredible shot actually where the TARDIS is seen 178 00:09:10.620 --> 00:09:11.519 through the doors. 179 00:09:11.580 --> 00:09:14.879 So the doors are the 1st thing that Rory sees when the tartar 180 00:09:14.879 --> 00:09:15.539 store opens. 181 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:18.000 And they're just sort of perfectly framed. 182 00:09:18.059 --> 00:09:19.919 Like everything is very symmetrical. 183 00:09:19.980 --> 00:09:21.419 Everything is very clinical. 184 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:23.700 And I think it looks amazing. 185 00:09:23.820 --> 00:09:27.659 And just the fact that those buttons are just essentially lift 186 00:09:27.659 --> 00:09:28.379 buttons. 187 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:30.419 You know, they're not space buttons or anything like that. 188 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:33.179 They are exactly what we see every day. 189 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:36.059 I think it works really well. 190 00:09:36.120 --> 00:09:40.980 And in scenes where you have, for instance, to Amy speaking to one 191 00:09:40.980 --> 00:09:45.960 another, he finds interesting ways of doing that, of, you know, of 192 00:09:45.960 --> 00:09:49.320 getting us to see both of their faces, for instance, in those 193 00:09:49.320 --> 00:09:49.799 scenes. 194 00:09:49.860 --> 00:09:51.720 He's really extraordinary. 195 00:09:51.779 --> 00:09:55.019 He's responsible for a lot of the look of Sherlock, I think, and 196 00:09:55.019 --> 00:09:59.220 it is, I think, a much bigger departure from the way the Doctor 197 00:09:59.220 --> 00:10:01.860 Who has been directed before than it seems initially. 198 00:10:02.159 --> 00:10:04.980 I'll just use the word elegant. 199 00:10:05.340 --> 00:10:10.919 I think that's, for me, the word that summarises the style. not 200 00:10:10.919 --> 00:10:14.940 showy, it's not over the top, but everything feels like it's 201 00:10:14.940 --> 00:10:16.440 placed perfectly. 202 00:10:17.100 --> 00:10:21.299 I mean, there are extraordinary shots though, like and very 203 00:10:21.299 --> 00:10:22.139 strange things. 204 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:24.960 I think about, you know, there's a conversation that old Amy has 205 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:27.480 through the Tartar store with Rory, where it almost looks like 206 00:10:27.480 --> 00:10:31.559 they're touching, and it is just a sort of strange fade. 207 00:10:31.620 --> 00:10:33.059 There's some wipes. 208 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:37.139 There's all sorts of, you know, things that Doctor Who doesn't 209 00:10:37.139 --> 00:10:40.139 normally do, but they're not intrusive. 210 00:10:40.139 --> 00:10:43.080 And yeah, maybe elegant is the right word for it. 211 00:10:43.139 --> 00:10:47.580 Design wise, it's it's actually mannerist, not just with the white 212 00:10:47.580 --> 00:10:49.740 gardens, but also with the topia. 213 00:10:49.799 --> 00:10:53.820 It's, there was that period after, anyway, in the 18th century 214 00:10:53.820 --> 00:10:57.299 when everyone was painting their houses, all ivory. 215 00:10:57.360 --> 00:11:01.259 And doing this sort of thing to their gardens, and you're right 216 00:11:01.259 --> 00:11:04.440 with the swipes, because there's a, it's a whole period of French 217 00:11:04.440 --> 00:11:06.000 cinema that does a very similar thing. 218 00:11:06.059 --> 00:11:11.820 They're very staged shots, you know, right through the, yeah, very 219 00:11:11.820 --> 00:11:16.500 composed, very, very studied, assumed and mannered. 220 00:11:16.740 --> 00:11:20.879 These things don't last long as a period of design and interior. 221 00:11:20.940 --> 00:11:24.840 Sorry, Morm did it to the whole Somerset Morm's wife, apparently 222 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:25.500 did it to the whole thing. 223 00:11:25.500 --> 00:11:27.299 No coward said, everyone looks anaemic. 224 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:28.080 You can't touch a thing. 225 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:32.460 So they didn't laugh, doesn't last long as a design trend. 226 00:11:32.519 --> 00:11:34.379 But it's definitely the style of this. 227 00:11:34.379 --> 00:11:39.539 And that kind of removal that a cinema maker or a filmmaker puts 228 00:11:39.539 --> 00:11:43.740 in when you're aware of stylistic qualities of it, I think, really 229 00:11:43.740 --> 00:11:47.100 serves this because that little bit of removal, when you're 230 00:11:47.100 --> 00:11:50.279 noticing the camera trick, so you're noticing, the position of the 231 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:52.379 camera, you're noticing the subtleties of it. 232 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:54.960 It pulls you away and gives you a moment to breathe. 233 00:11:55.320 --> 00:11:58.500 I think it works really well with this sort of thing when you're 234 00:11:58.500 --> 00:12:00.960 encouraged to be so close to the characters. 235 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:06.360 Yeah, I mean, you basically just have the 3 regulars, don't you? 236 00:12:06.419 --> 00:12:09.000 You've got Emelda Staunton as a voice. 237 00:12:09.059 --> 00:12:13.919 You've got the projected woman kind of behind the reception desk 238 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:15.840 and that's about it, isn't it? 239 00:12:15.899 --> 00:12:18.600 And the hand bots who have no kind of character. 240 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:21.000 I never realised it was a melder. 241 00:12:21.059 --> 00:12:22.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 242 00:12:22.500 --> 00:12:25.320 Yeah, it was only when the closing credits come up, they went, 0 243 00:12:25.320 --> 00:12:25.679 my goodness. 244 00:12:25.740 --> 00:12:29.519 Yeah, well, we had Michael Sheen earlier on this season doing a 245 00:12:29.519 --> 00:12:31.860 voiceover and now we have Imelda Staunton doing one. 246 00:12:31.919 --> 00:12:33.419 So it's... 247 00:12:33.419 --> 00:12:34.200 Just like Frasier. 248 00:12:34.259 --> 00:12:37.379 It's a way of getting shoe horning. 249 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:38.100 Yes, that's right. 250 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:42.720 A big name in who might otherwise not have wanted to spend a lot 251 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:44.399 of time in makeup, I think. 252 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:51.299 Obviously, Karen spends a lot of time in makeup. or doesn't, as 253 00:12:51.299 --> 00:12:52.139 the case may be. 254 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:55.980 I actually do think that, um, even on a rewatch, um, the 255 00:12:55.980 --> 00:12:58.860 prosthetics on her, I just wanted to be a bit older. 256 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:02.220 I mean, I know that sounds incredible to say that. 257 00:13:02.759 --> 00:13:04.740 She's our age. 258 00:13:05.340 --> 00:13:07.799 I think she was thinking that. 259 00:13:11.220 --> 00:13:13.919 I think she looks overdone. 260 00:13:13.980 --> 00:13:15.360 She looks overcooked. 261 00:13:16.259 --> 00:13:18.600 No, I love the prosthetics. 262 00:13:18.659 --> 00:13:23.100 I don't think that high definition is very kind to them, I have to 263 00:13:23.100 --> 00:13:23.279 say. 264 00:13:23.340 --> 00:13:27.059 It's very difficult to do that on the budget for the time and to 265 00:13:27.059 --> 00:13:29.340 get it all effective, but she also does it. 266 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:32.759 The actress herself does it with the position of her face and the 267 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:35.879 way her expressions and pulling back and obviously you can't emote 268 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:38.519 too much when you've got a face covered in Zygon. 269 00:13:40.919 --> 00:13:43.620 It's funny, maybe I've got lower... 270 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:46.139 Maybe I've got lower standards, but I actually thought that it was 271 00:13:46.139 --> 00:13:49.200 really, really good, ageing prosthetic. 272 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:54.840 And also, I'm glad that they didn't age her too much. 273 00:13:54.899 --> 00:13:58.620 Like, it feels, it felt sort of almost understated rather than 274 00:13:58.620 --> 00:14:02.460 comedy ageing, and I think that made it more powerful, and 275 00:14:02.460 --> 00:14:05.159 probably does allow just touching what Bridges say, probably does 276 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:08.100 allow the actress to emote a little bit more through facial 277 00:14:08.100 --> 00:14:10.379 expressions where heavier ageing makeup might prevent that. 278 00:14:10.740 --> 00:14:17.820 I think she's extremely good, and this is obviously her episode to 279 00:14:17.820 --> 00:14:18.240 shine. 280 00:14:18.299 --> 00:14:25.200 And I think old Amy is properly different from our Amy. 281 00:14:25.320 --> 00:14:30.539 And it's also fun to see little moments of our Amy break through 282 00:14:30.539 --> 00:14:33.120 in that performance. 283 00:14:33.179 --> 00:14:37.139 You know, when she smiles, when she laughs, you know, her 1st 284 00:14:37.139 --> 00:14:40.500 laugh in 36 years about the doctor's fares. 285 00:14:40.919 --> 00:14:44.279 And that's a little bit of whiplash, isn't it? 286 00:14:44.340 --> 00:14:48.059 Because we get the relief of seeing that our Amy is still in there 287 00:14:48.059 --> 00:14:52.379 but she immediately has to tell us that she's had a miserable 36 288 00:14:52.379 --> 00:14:55.799 years, sort of straight after that moment, just to kind of make 289 00:14:55.799 --> 00:14:57.299 Rory feel worse, I guess. 290 00:14:57.840 --> 00:15:01.259 Yeah, I mean, what do you think of the performance? 291 00:15:01.980 --> 00:15:07.379 I think there's an underlying anger in it, and I actually think 292 00:15:07.379 --> 00:15:10.799 her performance is great, and going back to the makeup, I think 293 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:13.679 the makeup distracts me from the performance, like because I 294 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:16.919 wanted, I wanted to be a little bit more than what it actually is 295 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:17.220 right? 296 00:15:17.279 --> 00:15:21.120 And I can see why that they've, you know, they want her to remote 297 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:21.720 through it. 298 00:15:21.779 --> 00:15:25.860 But I just get distracted by the differences between them. 299 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:26.580 I want. 300 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:30.600 I just visually, I just want it to be a bit more, but I really 301 00:15:30.600 --> 00:15:33.720 truly thought it was a tour de force, Karen, the only criticism 302 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:35.460 I'm going to have her entire performance is her. 303 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:38.879 She's, I don't think she's a natural fighter, and I think, you 304 00:15:38.879 --> 00:15:40.320 know, in the fighting sequences. 305 00:15:40.379 --> 00:15:43.259 It's very choreographed, and at times I just think it doesn't look 306 00:15:43.259 --> 00:15:46.019 she doesn't look natural, like it looks like it's more cut 307 00:15:46.019 --> 00:15:50.220 together, you know, but I think she's just phenomenal in this 308 00:15:50.220 --> 00:15:55.139 episode, really, and, uh, it continues my journey to say that I've 309 00:15:55.139 --> 00:15:58.500 reevaluated Karen quite substantially in what she can deliver. 310 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:01.919 The, um, fight sequences are pretty amazing again. 311 00:16:01.980 --> 00:16:05.340 Again, it's that sort of dropped frames and use of sort of 312 00:16:05.340 --> 00:16:10.320 speeding up and slowing down and stuff like that to make it kind 313 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:15.419 of a bit artificial again, to give you the distance that Richard 314 00:16:15.419 --> 00:16:17.639 was talking about and make it a little bit more visually 315 00:16:17.639 --> 00:16:18.720 interesting, I think. 316 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:22.919 What do you do with a ninja cat lady? 317 00:16:22.980 --> 00:16:23.879 for certain years. 318 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:28.799 I do wish there'd been a canine cameos somehow. 319 00:16:28.860 --> 00:16:31.500 It just would have felt right or as a cat. 320 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:32.820 Todd said it. 321 00:16:32.879 --> 00:16:36.179 This works because of Karen, and this was a make or break. 322 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:40.019 The whole thing posits on her ability to sell the performance. 323 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:45.059 But I think when they're also together, you really do see the 324 00:16:45.059 --> 00:16:49.139 difference between her normal performance and the older and it's 325 00:16:49.139 --> 00:16:50.039 really quiet. 326 00:16:50.100 --> 00:16:50.759 You do, don't you? 327 00:16:50.879 --> 00:16:53.039 The subtleties are really quite extraordinary. 328 00:16:53.100 --> 00:16:56.940 And I think also having Arthur there, because I think he's amazing 329 00:16:56.940 --> 00:16:57.899 in this as well. 330 00:16:57.960 --> 00:17:00.360 Um, They shine, yeah. 331 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:03.720 Just about, just to bounce off, you know, really. 332 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:06.119 Like, he allows her to shine. 333 00:17:06.180 --> 00:17:08.279 He's a strength, I think, anyway. 334 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:10.980 Is this a Dr. Light episode? 335 00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:13.079 I think it must be. 336 00:17:13.140 --> 00:17:15.359 I was working trying to work that out when I was watching it last 337 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:15.599 night. 338 00:17:15.660 --> 00:17:18.359 I got that impression because he's basically just in the TARDIS 339 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:21.000 and immediately in the room outside. 340 00:17:21.059 --> 00:17:24.599 So it's it's the sort of semi-light episode. 341 00:17:24.660 --> 00:17:25.500 Yeah, yes. 342 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:30.299 A little bit like Karen in The Lodger, where, you know, you could 343 00:17:30.299 --> 00:17:32.220 shoot her stuff in a day. 344 00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:35.220 And so she's sort of not required for most of the episode and 345 00:17:35.220 --> 00:17:39.059 everything that's very complicated involves Arthur and Karen and 346 00:17:39.059 --> 00:17:42.839 Karen in particular who's got makeup and appears twice in the same 347 00:17:42.839 --> 00:17:44.099 scene and stuff like that. 348 00:17:44.220 --> 00:17:47.519 So they keep Matt Smith out of it, a beard. 349 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:49.019 But he's still... 350 00:17:49.019 --> 00:17:49.619 Rightly so. 351 00:17:50.940 --> 00:17:54.119 I think he's very, very good in it though, I have to say. 352 00:17:54.180 --> 00:17:57.420 He takes the attack very well, doesn't he? 353 00:17:57.539 --> 00:17:59.339 It's exactly the right pitch. 354 00:17:59.700 --> 00:18:01.920 He doesn't argue with her. 355 00:18:01.980 --> 00:18:06.900 He knows when to be quiet and when to when to suffer the righteous 356 00:18:06.900 --> 00:18:07.380 indignation. 357 00:18:07.859 --> 00:18:11.940 I was really impressed with that scene. you know, when you're on 358 00:18:11.940 --> 00:18:12.720 the edge of the sofa. 359 00:18:12.779 --> 00:18:14.880 Don't argue with her, let her speak. 360 00:18:14.940 --> 00:18:16.500 She has every right. 361 00:18:16.559 --> 00:18:18.599 She's carried it so successfully. 362 00:18:18.660 --> 00:18:22.140 John Woodnut didn't have to deal with all of that air galbumin on 363 00:18:22.140 --> 00:18:25.380 his face when he was up to up for Broton, you know. 364 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:27.059 Hard work. 365 00:18:27.539 --> 00:18:32.579 If I can just touch on what Todd was saying about Arthur and Rory 366 00:18:32.579 --> 00:18:34.799 I think that that performance is so good. 367 00:18:34.859 --> 00:18:38.579 And one of the things I loved about it was the way it communicates 368 00:18:38.579 --> 00:18:42.059 how a relationship can develop over the decades. 369 00:18:42.119 --> 00:18:48.720 You know, having myself now been in a relationship for 22, 23 370 00:18:48.720 --> 00:18:49.140 years. 371 00:18:49.200 --> 00:18:50.339 I'll get into trouble for that later. 372 00:18:50.400 --> 00:18:51.539 Edit that today. 373 00:18:53.819 --> 00:18:57.180 Married legally for 2 of them, but in a relationship for such a 374 00:18:57.180 --> 00:18:57.539 long time. 375 00:18:57.599 --> 00:19:00.599 It's amazing how you do see your other half, almost through the 376 00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:04.380 same eyes as when you 1st met them, regardless of how much the 377 00:19:04.380 --> 00:19:07.319 ageing process changes someone physically. 378 00:19:07.380 --> 00:19:10.259 And, you know, you look at an old photograph and you're reminded 379 00:19:10.259 --> 00:19:13.380 oh my god, that's right. you know, this, this, this bit about them 380 00:19:13.380 --> 00:19:14.519 has physically changed. 381 00:19:14.579 --> 00:19:20.640 And so Arthur, well, Rory is able to accept the older Amy in a 382 00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:21.299 complete way. 383 00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:24.359 And even at the end when, you know, he's been tricked by the 384 00:19:24.359 --> 00:19:28.019 doctor and they are going to leave the old Amy behind, he still 385 00:19:28.019 --> 00:19:34.440 has that connection with her as his wife, as his wife of 36 years 386 00:19:34.440 --> 00:19:35.220 effectively. 387 00:19:35.279 --> 00:19:38.339 And I think that's just so heartbreaking, I felt. 388 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:42.359 I think it's a great way to spice up everybody's long-term 389 00:19:42.359 --> 00:19:46.140 relationships, shove them in a bit of domaru armour and see what 390 00:19:46.140 --> 00:19:46.799 comes about. 391 00:19:46.920 --> 00:19:50.220 Or duplicating them in some way. 392 00:19:50.279 --> 00:19:51.839 You don't think. 393 00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:54.180 You want 2 husbands, do you? 394 00:19:54.180 --> 00:19:54.779 Yeah, no. 395 00:19:55.140 --> 00:19:56.819 One's enough. 396 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:12.599 There is that moment, though, isn't there, where, and it's the 397 00:20:12.599 --> 00:20:20.700 thing that convinces Amy, old Amy, um, that young Amy really needs 398 00:20:20.700 --> 00:20:28.019 to be saved, and she says that it's, you were carrying her, and 399 00:20:28.019 --> 00:20:30.660 you were looking at her the way that you used to look at me. 400 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:35.880 And there's, like, I think the most interesting thing about the 401 00:20:35.880 --> 00:20:39.900 episode isn't essentially the kind of moral dilemma at the end 402 00:20:39.900 --> 00:20:43.259 because that really just happens for space reasons, doesn't it? 403 00:20:43.319 --> 00:20:48.180 Like the only reason we can't have more than one Amy and the 404 00:20:48.180 --> 00:20:51.000 TARDIS is because that's a rule we made up. 405 00:20:51.059 --> 00:20:54.720 There's no kind of... 406 00:20:54.720 --> 00:20:57.660 You watched the 5 doctors as well from my memory after that. 407 00:20:58.140 --> 00:21:00.539 I think it's a little bit more than that. 408 00:21:00.599 --> 00:21:02.160 I think it does make a story sense. 409 00:21:02.220 --> 00:21:04.500 I mean, I know it's a space reason that you can't have the older 410 00:21:04.500 --> 00:21:08.819 AB coexisting with the young AB having had a separate life, but 411 00:21:08.819 --> 00:21:11.640 you know, I think we're allowed to have that as a space reason. 412 00:21:11.700 --> 00:21:13.619 And I'm glad that, yeah. 413 00:21:13.680 --> 00:21:17.819 And I'm glad, though, that that choice isn't taken away from us by 414 00:21:17.819 --> 00:21:22.619 the old Amy being killed or anaesthetised by the robots. 415 00:21:22.619 --> 00:21:23.880 And so she can't get away. 416 00:21:23.940 --> 00:21:27.180 You know, I like the fact that they had to make a choice or the 417 00:21:27.180 --> 00:21:28.319 doctor had to close the door on her. 418 00:21:28.380 --> 00:21:29.279 I think that's so powerful. 419 00:21:29.339 --> 00:21:31.980 They do a fake out though, don't they? 420 00:21:32.099 --> 00:21:33.180 Just before the end of it. 421 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:37.140 We see her fighting the robots and then Rory sort of runs off with 422 00:21:37.140 --> 00:21:40.740 Amy before she's sort of anaesthetized and we think that that's 423 00:21:40.740 --> 00:21:44.940 going to be old Amy sacrifices herself nobly so that her younger 424 00:21:44.940 --> 00:21:46.559 counterpart and Rory can get away. 425 00:21:46.619 --> 00:21:48.539 And that isn't a thing. 426 00:21:48.599 --> 00:21:51.599 And I also really like too. 427 00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:59.160 Um, I like the fact that we are told by Matt's misperformance that 428 00:21:59.160 --> 00:22:02.039 he's lying to Rory. 429 00:22:02.099 --> 00:22:08.460 And it is just when he just shakes his head subtly when we talk 430 00:22:08.460 --> 00:22:11.160 about the prospect of bringing them both back. 431 00:22:11.220 --> 00:22:15.180 And then he's really kind of playing it straight and he, you know 432 00:22:15.180 --> 00:22:17.880 like, we don't know what the rules are. 433 00:22:17.940 --> 00:22:21.299 We know probably that they're not going to get Karen to be 2 434 00:22:21.299 --> 00:22:24.180 Karens and put on ageing makeup and stuff for the rest of the 435 00:22:24.180 --> 00:22:24.420 season. 436 00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:26.579 We know that's probably not going to happen. 437 00:22:26.640 --> 00:22:34.079 But, you know, when he starts to talk about the prospect of 438 00:22:34.079 --> 00:22:37.680 rescuing them both, and he comes up with all of this sort of 439 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:40.680 techno babble, why it might work, we already know that he's not 440 00:22:40.680 --> 00:22:41.339 telling the truth. 441 00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:45.900 I can now pick that up in hindsight, but I confess I didn't pick 442 00:22:45.900 --> 00:22:46.920 that up while watching it. 443 00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:50.099 Yeah, there's a little moment, yeah, where he shakes his head when 444 00:22:50.099 --> 00:22:51.720 they're discussing the prospect of it. 445 00:22:51.779 --> 00:22:55.259 You know, I think Rory might be asking, is it possible? 446 00:22:55.319 --> 00:22:59.519 And we just see a shot of Matt looking at that screen and just 447 00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:01.380 subtly shaking his head. 448 00:23:01.440 --> 00:23:03.359 There's no reason why. 449 00:23:03.420 --> 00:23:05.759 Yeah, but there's no reason why, I mean, they couldn't have done 450 00:23:05.759 --> 00:23:06.000 it. 451 00:23:06.059 --> 00:23:08.400 I mean, they could have dropped the old Amy in a parallel universe 452 00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:09.900 like they did with the other David Tennant. 453 00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:10.380 I mean, you know. 454 00:23:10.619 --> 00:23:11.039 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 455 00:23:11.099 --> 00:23:14.099 She could have ended up on the planet Kolkakron, which is my 456 00:23:14.099 --> 00:23:16.200 favourite place for dropping people off. 457 00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:20.819 Is that where the garage gets dropped off? 458 00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:22.799 It is where... 459 00:23:26.339 --> 00:23:30.000 Yeah, I mean, they could have done that, but then you lose the 460 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:31.319 kind of thing at the end. 461 00:23:31.380 --> 00:23:37.259 But I actually think what is more interesting is the way that Amy 462 00:23:37.259 --> 00:23:43.740 convinces the other Amy to rescue, you know, the old Amy is 463 00:23:43.740 --> 00:23:46.559 absolutely adamant that she's not going to permit it to happen. 464 00:23:46.619 --> 00:23:51.900 She's had the conversation as the young Amy before and it didn't 465 00:23:51.900 --> 00:23:53.039 turn out that way. 466 00:23:53.099 --> 00:23:55.980 And so she decides. 467 00:23:56.099 --> 00:24:00.299 And it's it's Rory is the entire reason for it. 468 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:04.140 You know, this is an episode more than Amy's choice. 469 00:24:04.200 --> 00:24:08.460 I think that it is about Amy's relationship with Rory. 470 00:24:14.579 --> 00:24:18.660 Todd, you were saying before, that this is one of your favourites 471 00:24:18.660 --> 00:24:19.440 of the season. 472 00:24:19.500 --> 00:24:22.680 It's actually my it is my favourite of the season, and I'm 473 00:24:22.680 --> 00:24:25.140 surprised, you know, myself to say it as a fan. 474 00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:27.000 What made it work for you? 475 00:24:27.059 --> 00:24:32.279 Well, I think Karen is that good, but I also, I think Arthur and 476 00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:36.480 Rory's journey, his relationship with the wife and all this 477 00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:39.599 relationship with the doctor is very defined in this, you know, he 478 00:24:39.599 --> 00:24:42.660 especially at the end where, you know, he's quite angry at the 479 00:24:42.660 --> 00:24:43.380 doctor for turning. 480 00:24:43.440 --> 00:24:46.619 You're turning me into you and he doesn't want that. 481 00:24:46.680 --> 00:24:49.859 And I think it underlines their relationship all the way through. 482 00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:53.940 He's there with Amy, but not really with the doctor. 483 00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:55.799 Like, it's always Amy for him. 484 00:24:55.859 --> 00:25:01.019 Um, I think throughout his entire run, really, in the show, um, and 485 00:25:01.019 --> 00:25:04.259 he obviously has a respect for the doctor in the end, but it's 486 00:25:04.259 --> 00:25:07.559 never, they're never like, you know, it's never the doctor in just 487 00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:07.980 roaring. 488 00:25:08.039 --> 00:25:08.819 Do you know what I'm saying? 489 00:25:09.359 --> 00:25:13.140 And I think he looks wonderful, like, with his Rory Cam and having 490 00:25:13.140 --> 00:25:18.839 the big magnifying glass, like his, like, um, um, Indiana Jones or 491 00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:19.200 whatever. 492 00:25:19.259 --> 00:25:23.400 And then we've also got that, we've got the robot Rory, which is 493 00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:26.940 so cute and and, uh, yeah, sit down, Rory. 494 00:25:28.500 --> 00:25:32.819 My favourite beat is where they're sort of hugging or crying or 495 00:25:32.819 --> 00:25:36.839 something and robot Rory just sort of turns, turns away to give 496 00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:38.039 them a little bit of privacy. 497 00:25:38.099 --> 00:25:39.539 I think that's sort of gorgeous. 498 00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:42.420 That's actually super telling, isn't it? 499 00:25:42.480 --> 00:25:45.960 Because she's initially really hostile to Rory, and it looks like 500 00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:49.980 calling the robot Rory is dismissive, and she even refers to him 501 00:25:49.980 --> 00:25:51.059 as her pet. 502 00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:55.740 And that's always this sort of ugly suspicion we have about the 503 00:25:55.740 --> 00:26:00.180 relationship is that Amy just bosses Rory around and treats him 504 00:26:00.180 --> 00:26:02.940 really kind of terribly and stuff like that. 505 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:05.759 But it absolutely establishes that that's not what the 506 00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:06.960 relationship is at all. 507 00:26:07.259 --> 00:26:10.859 I think that's one of the things here is that what you've just 508 00:26:10.859 --> 00:26:14.519 said, you think that's where it's going, but then it actually 509 00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:15.240 doesn't go there. 510 00:26:15.299 --> 00:26:20.819 Like it actually shows you, And emphatically how much she loves 511 00:26:20.819 --> 00:26:23.160 him and their relationship, whereas there's other episodes that 512 00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:26.039 make you frustrated because it's like, you're treating him like 513 00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:28.500 dirt and you're not showing me that you really love him. 514 00:26:28.559 --> 00:26:30.359 But here I think it really does. 515 00:26:30.420 --> 00:26:33.839 It's also, I think, an acknowledgement that, and I think there has 516 00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:36.059 to be some sort of acknowledgement that there's going to be some 517 00:26:36.059 --> 00:26:40.259 sort of resentment, that she's been left there for decades, uh 518 00:26:40.259 --> 00:26:41.880 left behind, as it were, again. 519 00:26:41.940 --> 00:26:45.599 And so I think, you're right, Told, it communicates at warmly, but 520 00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:48.240 I think it also has that slight little, just enough little edge 521 00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:49.259 there, just to communicate. 522 00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:50.579 Yes, there is some level of resentment. 523 00:26:50.819 --> 00:26:56.759 It sits uncomfortably in a season, well, nostalgically in a season 524 00:26:56.759 --> 00:27:01.440 where it feels like Philip Hinchcliffe is back. giving our heroin 525 00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:05.099 just the right amount of dush that he gave Sarah Jane. 526 00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:07.380 I really want what's going to happen to her next week should be 527 00:27:07.380 --> 00:27:08.400 stuck in a bucket. 528 00:27:08.460 --> 00:27:10.440 Forced to be in a swamp. 529 00:27:10.500 --> 00:27:15.539 She has had a bad time and this is another... 530 00:27:15.539 --> 00:27:18.119 She has to go and save her again. 531 00:27:18.180 --> 00:27:19.019 Not a great year. 532 00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:20.039 Yeah. 533 00:27:20.099 --> 00:27:20.940 Yeah. 534 00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:26.039 We talked a little bit in last week's episode about how that plot 535 00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:30.119 thread about the abduction of Amy's daughter has kind of gone 536 00:27:30.119 --> 00:27:34.440 dormant, and it was for obvious reasons last week, and clearly we 537 00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:36.059 don't want to deal with it this week either. 538 00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:39.420 But it will obviously be back in a few weeks time. 539 00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:41.579 The other thing with its episode. 540 00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:44.220 I guess the reason why I'm really liking it this time through is 541 00:27:44.220 --> 00:27:48.059 because I think maybe the 1st time or through, I was just unsure 542 00:27:48.059 --> 00:27:51.599 whether I really liked it as much as I did, because for me, it 543 00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:53.940 came on the back of a string of episodes which I don't like. 544 00:27:53.940 --> 00:27:55.380 Like, I don't like the gang of stuff. 545 00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:57.779 I don't like the 2 Stephen Moffatt episodes with River. 546 00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:00.059 I mean, there's some clever stuff in there, but I don't think they 547 00:28:00.059 --> 00:28:00.660 hang together. 548 00:28:00.660 --> 00:28:02.759 And I really detest last week's episode. 549 00:28:02.819 --> 00:28:03.299 Sorry. 550 00:28:03.660 --> 00:28:06.779 And then you've got the pirate one. 551 00:28:06.779 --> 00:28:09.660 And it's just like besides the doctor's wife. 552 00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:11.640 Like, this is suddenly a really good episode. 553 00:28:11.700 --> 00:28:15.059 So sometimes I'm a bit sort of like, is it because I've been so 554 00:28:15.059 --> 00:28:15.779 down on things. 555 00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:18.119 Is this shining because of that? 556 00:28:18.180 --> 00:28:19.980 But I don't think so. 557 00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:24.779 I'm really, really think it just is a beautiful shining beacon of 558 00:28:24.779 --> 00:28:25.140 life. 559 00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:26.220 You know? 560 00:28:26.940 --> 00:28:31.920 And I felt that from sort of the moment it starts, there's 561 00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:36.000 something about the way it kicks off, which establishes this 562 00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:37.920 terrible sense of foreboding. 563 00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:42.059 When she presses and we touched on it earlier, you know, Todd, why 564 00:28:42.059 --> 00:28:44.640 would you press the red button, why would you press the green 565 00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:45.119 button? 566 00:28:45.180 --> 00:28:49.680 But as soon as she presses the red waterfall, you know something 567 00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:54.240 is going to go wrong and it's going to be an irrevocable 568 00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:54.779 decision. 569 00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:57.119 That's made as soon as she walks through that door. 570 00:28:57.180 --> 00:28:59.700 And it's established when then Rory tries to come back and walk 571 00:28:59.700 --> 00:29:03.240 through the red anchor door. you know, it doesn't work and that's 572 00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:05.640 kind of reinforced when, you know, after we've established that 573 00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:08.099 Amy's timeline is moving at a far, faster rate. 574 00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:12.480 They go back to the TARDIS and this, you know, 80s bedside digital 575 00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:18.000 clock radio is clicking over at this absolutely rapid rate and it 576 00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:22.079 just makes me, that sort of time disappearing like that, just 577 00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:25.200 makes me sick to my stomach every time I watch it. 578 00:29:25.259 --> 00:29:27.240 It's so subtle. but so disturbing. 579 00:29:28.380 --> 00:29:32.279 Simon, did you think of, I was trying to remember the title? 580 00:29:32.579 --> 00:29:34.799 elevated to the gala? 581 00:29:34.859 --> 00:29:37.680 less, uh, Asansurp or Lesher? 582 00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:38.640 Oh, I'm not familiar with that, sorry. 583 00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:39.960 Anyway, it's Louis Mal. 584 00:29:40.019 --> 00:29:44.220 It's that French film where illicit lovers become trapped in an 585 00:29:44.220 --> 00:29:46.799 elevator and there's a murder plot. 586 00:29:46.859 --> 00:29:48.960 Miles Davis did the score. 587 00:29:49.019 --> 00:29:51.900 It's a beautiful piece of new wave cinema. 588 00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:56.220 And there are some nods to that in this in the way the shots are 589 00:29:56.220 --> 00:29:56.759 composed. 590 00:29:56.819 --> 00:30:00.480 So there's lots of, there's lots of great cred and history in 591 00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:01.019 this. 592 00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:02.460 This isn't an accidental episode. 593 00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:07.440 I'm with Todd when he says, this just feels artfully done, whereas 594 00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:11.160 all the others feel like a panic response to having to do some 595 00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:13.559 wild story arcs and get some drama in. 596 00:30:13.619 --> 00:30:16.859 This is real drama because it's about the relationship of 2 597 00:30:16.859 --> 00:30:17.160 people. 598 00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:24.059 And and that thing about choice, you know, um, There's a story 599 00:30:24.059 --> 00:30:28.380 about human nature where in the original novel, Paul Cornell makes 600 00:30:28.380 --> 00:30:31.259 the, you know, the little, instead of a watch. 601 00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:32.819 It's a cricket ball, I think. 602 00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:36.000 And it's Russell's decision to make it a watch because you can 603 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:37.079 decide to open it. 604 00:30:37.140 --> 00:30:43.259 And so you can physically see a decision being made just by a 605 00:30:43.259 --> 00:30:43.680 prop. 606 00:30:43.740 --> 00:30:46.019 And then that thing where you have 2 buttons. 607 00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:48.720 There's no reason to prefer one over the other. 608 00:30:48.779 --> 00:30:53.400 You just pick one at random and just the consequences of that are 609 00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:54.000 so great. 610 00:30:54.059 --> 00:30:58.740 And we've seen a hint of it in aliens of London, of all things 611 00:30:58.740 --> 00:31:02.519 where, you know, the doctor sets the Tartars a bit wrong and 612 00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:05.759 suddenly 18 months have passed and, you know, Jackie's life has 613 00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:07.380 been kind of ruined and all of that. 614 00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:11.039 And just the sort of the momentous nature of what the doctor 615 00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:11.519 does. 616 00:31:11.579 --> 00:31:15.539 And I adore that speech where Rory shouts at him and says, you 617 00:31:15.539 --> 00:31:19.200 think you could get a history book out and just find out whether 618 00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:22.859 there's a global pandemic on the planet that we're about to land. 619 00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:27.660 You know, the doctors, the doctor's incredible kind of casual 620 00:31:27.660 --> 00:31:30.359 disregard of things. 621 00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:37.200 And, and the way that, um, the way that time travel in this era is 622 00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:41.279 able to have these sort of incredible bizarre consequences. 623 00:31:41.339 --> 00:31:49.019 So just magnifying that tiny binary choice into this sort of 36 624 00:31:49.019 --> 00:31:52.799 year nightmare just because you press the wrong button. 625 00:31:52.859 --> 00:31:55.440 It's really terrifically interesting, I think. 626 00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:16.740 Amy's very, uh, skilled because she's managed to make a sonic 627 00:32:16.740 --> 00:32:17.579 probe as well. 628 00:32:17.700 --> 00:32:18.660 Yes. 629 00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:20.400 I mean, is she really, is she really that good? 630 00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:24.539 And reprogramming the interface as well. 631 00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:25.799 She manages to do that somehow. 632 00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:28.619 And not eat, as you've said. 633 00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:31.920 There's a few little things here that I find very Star Treky that 634 00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:34.680 you sort of, you gloss over those things or they're in there and 635 00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:35.099 that's fine. 636 00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:37.380 You know, it's probably why it's not my favourite of the season. 637 00:32:37.980 --> 00:32:42.720 I like the Sonic Pro because it is used as a character thing 638 00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:46.680 because she calls it a sonic probe, not a sonic screwdriver 639 00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:47.819 because she hates the doctor. 640 00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:51.660 And then she eventually grudgingly admits that it is a Sonic 641 00:32:51.660 --> 00:32:52.319 screwdriver. 642 00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:56.640 This is exactly how I wanted the 13th doctor to be portrayed. 643 00:32:56.940 --> 00:32:59.880 A really sort of samurai style. 644 00:32:59.940 --> 00:33:03.539 Commodionly and slightly furious with the world and there's 645 00:33:03.539 --> 00:33:07.200 probably a cat there somewhere, probably a whole troop of them. 646 00:33:07.259 --> 00:33:12.059 But yes, and a nice nod to the 6th doctor's sonic probe there 647 00:33:12.059 --> 00:33:12.420 too. 648 00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:15.359 What do we think of the threat? 649 00:33:15.420 --> 00:33:17.220 What do we think of the handbots? 650 00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:21.299 love it Especially when you encounter the secondary injection 651 00:33:21.299 --> 00:33:21.720 system. 652 00:33:21.779 --> 00:33:23.160 With all of them? 653 00:33:23.220 --> 00:33:25.079 That is so good. 654 00:33:25.140 --> 00:33:28.740 Yeah, yeah, that looks properly terrifying. 655 00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:30.779 Because I mean, they're kind of ludicrous. 656 00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:33.599 You just need to, they're another sort of Doctor Who monster that 657 00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:36.180 you can stroll briskly away from. 658 00:33:36.779 --> 00:33:41.759 And I guess it's just the sort of numbers of them that teleport in 659 00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:43.380 and kind of block your path and stuff. 660 00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:46.859 But that secondary injection system, which just looks like a sort 661 00:33:46.859 --> 00:33:51.119 of big Dalek gun coming out of a face with these teeth, like, you 662 00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:53.039 know, like it's so incredibly great. 663 00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:56.220 And designed that. 664 00:33:56.279 --> 00:34:01.380 Who in the, who was part of the medical fraternity of this, of 665 00:34:01.380 --> 00:34:07.079 this relaxation kindness hostice was thinking, how can we... 666 00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:10.139 What about tourist numbers, you know? 667 00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:13.739 It does add to the whole sinister nature of it, because remember 668 00:34:13.739 --> 00:34:17.579 the robots aren't actually there to deliberately try and kill or 669 00:34:17.579 --> 00:34:18.300 harm her. 670 00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:19.739 It's a kindness. 671 00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:22.860 And as the doctor says, their kindness will kill you because, you 672 00:34:22.860 --> 00:34:25.199 know, she's of a different of a different species. 673 00:34:25.260 --> 00:34:28.800 It goes back to what I was trying to say about the let's kill 674 00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:31.619 Hitler things when we were doing that episode, the like the, you 675 00:34:31.619 --> 00:34:34.679 know, the antibody amoeba things in the test select or whatever it 676 00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:34.920 was called. 677 00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:44.099 The catchphrase that they would having was so obvious and basic 678 00:34:44.099 --> 00:34:46.980 this one is, you know, this is a kindness. 679 00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:47.940 Do not be alarmed. 680 00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:49.860 It's the exact opposite of that. 681 00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:54.059 It's an actual nice thing to say, but it's so threatening and 682 00:34:54.059 --> 00:34:57.420 menacing because you know that the kindness will kill her. 683 00:34:57.480 --> 00:34:59.820 And this is what I was trying to say during the Let's Kill Hitler 684 00:34:59.820 --> 00:35:02.099 episode, that it was all a bit too obvious, right? 685 00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:05.099 Whereas this has got that extra layer in it, which makes it so 686 00:35:05.099 --> 00:35:05.699 much more interesting. 687 00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:07.019 No, I agree. 688 00:35:07.260 --> 00:35:11.099 There's something towards the end as well where it sort of takes 689 00:35:11.099 --> 00:35:17.400 on a secondary meaning too, as if releasing Amy from 36 years of 690 00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:20.400 her kind of torment and stuff like that. 691 00:35:20.460 --> 00:35:24.659 The sort of results of that just random decision that she made 692 00:35:24.659 --> 00:35:28.619 releasing her from the sort of torment of that, is accompanied by 693 00:35:28.619 --> 00:35:31.800 the idea that they're doing her a kindness. 694 00:35:31.860 --> 00:35:35.820 So I think it does sort of take on a secondary meaning. 695 00:35:36.300 --> 00:35:40.739 Something that I really like about this is that there's elements 696 00:35:40.739 --> 00:35:45.059 of this that come back into play, perhaps in season 10, like the 697 00:35:45.059 --> 00:35:48.000 whole, the room full of all the doors that Amy has to go through 698 00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:53.219 reminds me of Bill and Nardo having the room full of different, um 699 00:35:53.219 --> 00:35:58.260 uh, doors in that trilogy episode, and obviously we get the 700 00:35:58.260 --> 00:36:03.179 magnificent garden where Missy is, um, and, uh, Is that the same 701 00:36:03.179 --> 00:36:03.719 location, is it? 702 00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:04.619 Yeah. 703 00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:07.440 And also some of the dialogue, like, I was waiting. 704 00:36:07.500 --> 00:36:08.219 I waited. 705 00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:09.059 I waited for you. 706 00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:13.139 This is something that Stephen will bring back with Bill very much 707 00:36:13.139 --> 00:36:13.800 later on. 708 00:36:13.860 --> 00:36:17.039 There's this little, there's this little moments in here for me 709 00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:20.280 having obviously, you know, watched so far ahead that they just 710 00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:22.920 sort of take back or rework, you know, later on, just little 711 00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:23.400 elements. 712 00:36:23.460 --> 00:36:24.420 And I kind of like that. 713 00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:27.960 It's sort of like, oh, wow, you've referenced this or whether you 714 00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:28.559 know it or not. 715 00:36:28.619 --> 00:36:31.199 It's come back into play because it's something that's sort of in 716 00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:34.800 your subconscious and that sort of, I just think underlines how 717 00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:36.239 good it is perhaps, you know? 718 00:36:36.300 --> 00:36:36.780 Yeah. 719 00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:41.340 I mean, it's that Moffat thing of the timing, whiminess once 720 00:36:41.340 --> 00:36:41.579 again. 721 00:36:41.639 --> 00:36:44.639 I mean, I know it's not a Moffat written story, but, you know, it's 722 00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:46.739 in the Moffat showrunner era. 723 00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:48.119 The long way round. 724 00:36:48.179 --> 00:36:56.460 Moffatt loves to play with the aspect of time, which is damaging 725 00:36:56.460 --> 00:37:00.659 which is awful, which, you know, so the long way round in the girl 726 00:37:00.659 --> 00:37:03.539 in the fireplace, you know, Rory takes the long way round by being 727 00:37:03.539 --> 00:37:06.300 the centurion for 1900 years, whatever it is. 728 00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:08.519 You've got Capaldi Laser in heaven sent. 729 00:37:08.579 --> 00:37:12.360 As you sort of mentioned, Todd, these themes keep coming up again 730 00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:18.179 and again, and each time they come up, they're usually somewhat 731 00:37:18.179 --> 00:37:18.900 terrifying. 732 00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:21.719 In fact, even the way Amy and Rory are written out of the program 733 00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:24.000 have that aspect as well. 734 00:37:24.059 --> 00:37:28.380 It's actually incredibly uncomfortable the more you think about it 735 00:37:28.380 --> 00:37:29.519 and that's why I think it's great. 736 00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:33.659 I really think, um, I totally agree with you, Simon there. 737 00:37:33.719 --> 00:37:35.639 But I just think some of the dialogue. 738 00:37:35.699 --> 00:37:38.159 Like, you know, besides, you know, I waited, I waited for you and 739 00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:39.119 other things that we've mentioned. 740 00:37:39.179 --> 00:37:41.579 But, you know, Rory is the most beautiful man. 741 00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:44.880 I'd ever met, or, you know, I'm giving her the days with you. 742 00:37:44.940 --> 00:37:47.940 These lines are so affecting, I think. 743 00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:54.539 And I think underline a bit of their exit, spoiler alert, at the 744 00:37:54.539 --> 00:37:55.260 end of next week. 745 00:37:55.320 --> 00:37:58.739 Like, you know, there is a little bit of, I think, underlining 746 00:37:58.739 --> 00:38:02.099 buildup that they can accept that maybe it is time to move on 747 00:38:02.099 --> 00:38:06.539 because these things keep happening, these bad things and they get 748 00:38:06.539 --> 00:38:09.480 we're always having to save Amy again and she's had to go through 749 00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:13.440 all this and we've had the whole river, daughter saga and 750 00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:14.940 everything that she's been put through this season. 751 00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:17.820 So I actually find that, although it's perhaps not specifically 752 00:38:17.820 --> 00:38:21.599 flag posted, I think there is an underlying current here, which 753 00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:24.360 helps, I think, build to the end of next week as well, I just 754 00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:26.039 think anyway, with their characters. 755 00:38:26.099 --> 00:38:28.980 And the possibility of moving on from the doctor. 756 00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:34.500 You know, there is that central scene, which I alluded to before 757 00:38:34.500 --> 00:38:38.880 where the 2 Amys are speaking and young Amy is trying to convince 758 00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:40.860 old Amy to save her. 759 00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:44.639 And the whole conversation is around Rory. 760 00:38:44.699 --> 00:38:51.480 Um, And it's, it's shot so that we can see both of them at the 761 00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:51.960 same time. 762 00:38:52.019 --> 00:38:55.019 We can watch them react to one another. 763 00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:59.039 And it's another pivotal speech because it's another choice. 764 00:38:59.099 --> 00:39:02.940 You know, it's like Amy's choice between the 2 buttons at the 765 00:39:02.940 --> 00:39:03.420 beginning. 766 00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:07.619 It's a choice that's played out and presumably has continued to 767 00:39:07.619 --> 00:39:12.360 play out circularly as a result of this whole sort of weird 768 00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:13.440 paradox thing. 769 00:39:13.500 --> 00:39:16.019 You know, it's happened over and over again, young and old Amy 770 00:39:16.019 --> 00:39:16.739 talk. 771 00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:23.159 And this time, she is broken out of it by Rory, you know, looking 772 00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:29.039 over at Rory and saying, do you want to deny him those years with 773 00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:29.400 you? 774 00:39:29.460 --> 00:39:34.800 Um, and even the point where they, you know, they come together at 775 00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:37.260 the end and they have to think one thing. 776 00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:42.000 They have to have one thought together and it's the Macarena. 777 00:39:42.059 --> 00:39:44.880 They're doing the Macarena and you think, oh, there's some zany 778 00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:49.619 wacky Doctor Who nonsense that's just, just a few years out of 779 00:39:49.619 --> 00:39:51.059 dates as usual. 780 00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:55.380 But then it turns out that that was that was where their 1st kiss 781 00:39:55.380 --> 00:39:55.980 happened. 782 00:39:56.039 --> 00:40:01.019 You know, even that ends up being about their love for Rory and 783 00:40:01.019 --> 00:40:02.579 their relationship with Rory. 784 00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:06.239 And in a season where, you know, we've seen her sort of play hide 785 00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:09.420 and seek with him and run off or dismiss him for being gay or all 786 00:40:09.420 --> 00:40:13.019 of that sort of thing, it is actually really great that that love 787 00:40:13.019 --> 00:40:14.880 is so central and so apparent. 788 00:40:14.940 --> 00:40:15.840 I think in this episode. 789 00:40:28.619 --> 00:40:32.639 I just found this episode such an easy episode to watch. 790 00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:36.960 I know that sounds ridiculous, but I've just had weeks and weeks 791 00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:39.420 of not finding it easy to watch episodes. 792 00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:43.380 Like I find them hard slogs or just totally mind confusing or 793 00:40:43.380 --> 00:40:47.820 whatever or just, but I just found it just played out and I just 794 00:40:47.820 --> 00:40:51.179 Let it wash over me and I just loved it so much. 795 00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:55.440 I was just happy they turned the lights on for once. 796 00:40:56.579 --> 00:40:59.039 Especially now the last one. 797 00:40:59.099 --> 00:41:01.019 Eventually that does get to you, doesn't it? 798 00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:05.699 I think the thing about this episode is that it just to echo what 799 00:41:05.699 --> 00:41:08.460 Todd was saying is that it's so easy to watch, but I think it's so 800 00:41:08.460 --> 00:41:11.760 easy to watch because it's all on the on the right level, but it's 801 00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:13.139 all on the on the same level. 802 00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:17.159 It's not, there's nothing about it which is confused and despite 803 00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:19.380 the timey, wimey elements. 804 00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:21.599 I don't really feel that there's anything about it which is 805 00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:22.019 confusing. 806 00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:25.920 The visual style is so impactful. 807 00:41:25.980 --> 00:41:28.920 And just going back to the toperi in the garden. 808 00:41:28.980 --> 00:41:33.780 I mean, just, just the Dr. Seussness of it, is just a lovely 809 00:41:33.780 --> 00:41:38.460 little thing just to say we are on an alien planet without having 810 00:41:38.460 --> 00:41:40.320 stupid space things everywhere. 811 00:41:40.380 --> 00:41:44.400 You know, you only need a little bit to communicate that you're 812 00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:45.780 somewhere else and somewhere different. 813 00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:49.619 And so that's why I think that it is such a good episode because 814 00:41:49.619 --> 00:41:53.760 everyone seems to be working towards the same goal and everyone 815 00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:55.260 gets to that goal. 816 00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:55.679 Very much so. 817 00:42:23.280 --> 00:42:26.519 Well, they listener, that's all we have time for this week. 818 00:42:26.579 --> 00:42:31.559 We'll be back next week to confront our greatest cheers, again, in 819 00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:32.820 the God complex. 820 00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:36.840 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts 821 00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:39.480 and you can keep up with us at Flight Through Entirety on Facebook 822 00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:45.179 at FTE podcast on Twitter and on our website, FlightthroughEntirety 823 00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:47.820 com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger 824 00:42:47.820 --> 00:42:53.039 Jody InterTara, maximum power, and Untitled Star Trek Project. 825 00:42:53.099 --> 00:42:57.719 Until next time, May, all the bacteria you're carrying be properly 826 00:42:57.719 --> 00:42:59.280 registered and authorised. 827 00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:01.500 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 828 00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:03.000 See you soon. 829 00:43:03.059 --> 00:43:04.019 Bye for now. 830 00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:04.860 Good night. 831 00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:13.139 That was Flight Through Entirety, starring Todd Bealby, Nathan 832 00:43:13.139 --> 00:43:15.119 Bottomley, Simon Moore, and Richard Stone. 833 00:43:15.179 --> 00:43:17.519 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb. 834 00:43:17.579 --> 00:43:21.239 This episode, the word elegant, was recorded on the 29th of August 835 00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:24.000 2021 and released on the 21st of November. 836 00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:31.800 If you want to recreate the experience of 36 years alone without 837 00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:35.699 having a sandwich or going to the toilet, and I recommend visiting 838 00:43:35.699 --> 00:43:37.860 the planet Earth in the year 2020. 839 00:43:38.099 --> 00:43:41.159 Might be a good idea to get your shots first. 840 00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:48.900 I just need to drop in a little bit of trivia. 841 00:43:48.900 --> 00:43:49.679 Do this. 842 00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:54.059 For those of you who, uh, like Wentworth or have watched Wentworth 843 00:43:54.059 --> 00:43:57.719 and, you know, a friend of the podcast, Pete McTie, the girl who 844 00:43:57.719 --> 00:44:02.400 waited is one of the nods to Doctor Who he gave to an episode 845 00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:06.420 title, I think it was the 3rd episode, uh, Wentworth, and he 846 00:44:06.420 --> 00:44:09.780 called the girl who waited, and um, others being fear her and hell 847 00:44:09.780 --> 00:44:10.260 bent. 848 00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:13.619 I know that has to be mentioned. 849 00:44:13.860 --> 00:44:16.800 Surely there was a love and monsters as well. 850 00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:21.659 If there wasn't, they certainly shouldn't have. 851 00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:25.619 Had a gunfighters, I hope. 852 00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:27.599 Yeah, well. 853 00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:29.579 Prison in space. 854 00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:35.340 But I think the thing about this episode is that it just to 855 00:44:35.340 --> 00:44:35.722 echo...