WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 15:10:13 1 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:39.840 Hello, dear listen, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety. 2 00:00:39.899 --> 00:00:46.500 The only Doctor Who podcast, which has never found itself weirdly distracted by the sight of the Venus de Milo. 3 00:00:46.560 --> 00:00:48.119 I'm Nathan. 4 00:00:48.179 --> 00:00:49.679 I'm Todd. 5 00:00:49.740 --> 00:00:54.780 I'm Simon, and I'm a sacrificial Scarlione Mona Lisa for this one. 6 00:00:55.079 --> 00:01:02.399 Well, implausibly enough, the Dr. Amy and Rory have arrived at Apalapicia during a global pandemic. 7 00:01:02.460 --> 00:01:07.739 And when their cosplay reenactment of the arc in space part one goes horribly wrong. 8 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:15.840 It looks like the cheerful, genial, carefree Amy, we've grown to love, will be lost forever under a massive layer of latex. 9 00:01:15.900 --> 00:01:18.480 Can the doctor resolve this paradox? 10 00:01:18.540 --> 00:01:22.260 Let's find out as we discuss the girl who waited. 11 00:01:46.379 --> 00:01:51.180 I want to start by saying, I think that the setup makes no sense. 12 00:01:51.359 --> 00:02:01.799 And I don't normally care about these things at all, but I don't know what this wretched quarantine facility is supposed to be doing. 13 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:09.960 Isn't it supposed to be, um, allowing people who have one day to live to basically live out the rest of their life? 14 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:11.280 Exactly. 15 00:02:11.340 --> 00:02:23.580 I'm pining for, I'm pining for budget departure lounges as we speak, that one day, that one day that stretches into what feels like eternity, who would have thought we would long for such things? 16 00:02:25.020 --> 00:02:27.840 I think it's the Millennium Centre, isn't it? 17 00:02:27.900 --> 00:02:29.819 The lobbying sort of upstairs. 18 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:30.960 Really? 19 00:02:31.020 --> 00:02:33.780 I thought it was Cardiff National Airways. 20 00:02:34.740 --> 00:02:40.500 It has featured very prominently as another hospital in New Earth, I think. 21 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:43.139 We have certainly sort of seen that area before. 22 00:02:43.259 --> 00:02:54.000 No, so it is meant to allow people who have a day to live, to live a sort of long life in that day, and that's the effect that we see. 23 00:02:54.060 --> 00:03:05.520 But if they have only a day to live and the time is speeded up, why is the sort of advancement of the disease not speeded up as well? 24 00:03:05.580 --> 00:03:06.539 Just... 25 00:03:06.659 --> 00:03:15.300 Well, it's clear that Amy, when she was waiting 2 weeks or 3 weeks or however long it was in that 1st advance that she has, she says, you know, the doctor asks, what did you eat? 26 00:03:15.900 --> 00:03:17.280 And she says, well, I didn't feel hungry. 27 00:03:17.340 --> 00:03:22.439 And so it's obvious to me anyway, that all those things. 28 00:03:22.500 --> 00:03:28.439 Like, it's probably in the 36 odd years that Amy's there that she doesn't even have a sandwich to keep her going. 29 00:03:28.500 --> 00:03:32.159 It's like, you know, people on television, never having to go to the toilet. 30 00:03:32.219 --> 00:03:33.419 The same principle applies here. 31 00:03:33.479 --> 00:03:35.219 Yes, okay. 32 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:35.580 Okay. 33 00:03:35.639 --> 00:03:36.360 So I'm with that. 34 00:03:36.419 --> 00:03:43.439 So there is some kind of metabolic thing happening that means that they really sort of actually only experience a day. 35 00:03:43.500 --> 00:03:46.740 They're probably peckish by the end of it, you know, at the end of the day. 36 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:51.180 Yes, but they're distracted by Disneyland Clom and various other things. 37 00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:54.479 And so that sort of keeps them going. 38 00:03:54.539 --> 00:03:58.319 I was very, very confused and it's the 1st time I've even thought to wonder. 39 00:03:58.979 --> 00:04:03.659 Reminds me of a Star Trek Voyager or TNG episode. 40 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:04.740 It does. 41 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:06.539 I thought that too. really is. 42 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:08.219 Is there a specific one? 43 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:10.740 No, just one. generally. 44 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:14.699 I think there's a Voyager episode called Wink of an Eye. 45 00:04:14.759 --> 00:04:16.019 Did I dream that? 46 00:04:16.019 --> 00:04:17.160 or Blinker. 47 00:04:17.220 --> 00:04:18.720 I can't remember which of those. 48 00:04:18.779 --> 00:04:21.600 Mid-season, but it is a special, I believe it's also called. 49 00:04:21.660 --> 00:04:23.040 That's right. 50 00:04:23.100 --> 00:04:23.699 That's right. 51 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:32.699 It does have a very sort of high concept Star Trek feel to it in a way that is a little bit unusual for Doctor Who. 52 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:36.000 But I felt that way initially about Amy's choice last year as well. 53 00:04:36.060 --> 00:04:40.560 I thought that that was not really a traditional sort of Doctor Who approach. 54 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:44.519 Another closely observed story of a tight cast. 55 00:04:44.579 --> 00:04:48.420 May I say, this is one of my favourites of the season and watching it again. 56 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:51.060 I like it even more than I did the 1st time. 57 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:52.319 I agree. 58 00:04:52.439 --> 00:04:56.220 Yeah, I loved it and it only gets better on repeated viewings. 59 00:04:56.279 --> 00:05:00.180 Because it allows the actors to show us the reason they're on screen. 60 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:07.920 They're great performers and they have a brilliant dynamic and empathy with each other and it's a superb episode. 61 00:05:07.980 --> 00:05:10.500 I also think Tom McRae is very good. 62 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:12.660 Again, I'm surprised at the subtleties. 63 00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:13.980 It shouldn't work. 64 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:18.420 It's a bit hokey and as you said, it actually feels, I don't even know if it's Voyager. 65 00:05:18.540 --> 00:05:28.500 It feels more lower decks with less jokes in that it's just, it just feels one of those tightly confined things that feels as if it's a lampoon of the show itself or it starts off that way. 66 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:29.879 Oh, look, there's a choice. 67 00:05:29.939 --> 00:05:30.660 There's a lift. 68 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:31.680 Oh, we're in a white room. 69 00:05:31.740 --> 00:05:32.579 It's so meta. 70 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:38.639 And again, Matt Smith and the doctor will also throw in a few of those lines just to show that, oh, no, it's all a bit light. 71 00:05:38.699 --> 00:05:45.959 And then suddenly, we're facing the idea of ageing alone and being separated from those we love and having to survive in our heads. 72 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:48.600 And you didn't mention lockdown, did you, Nathan? 73 00:05:48.660 --> 00:05:49.379 So I shan't. 74 00:05:52.319 --> 00:06:05.459 But I think, Nathan, if I can say, um, and Todd, uh, I think the reason it feels like uh, a bit like a Star Trek episode, um, and I don't think it's just the, the art direction. 75 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:15.240 I think it's the fact that it's one of those examples of the new series doing a 45 minute episode which feels like it's designed to be a 45 minute episode. 76 00:06:15.240 --> 00:06:17.699 And that, of course, is what the Star Trek format is. 77 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:18.420 Yeah. 78 00:06:18.420 --> 00:06:34.439 I think where, I mean, I've heard this conversation many times, I know, but I'll bring it up, again, I think for me when modern Doctor Who is unsatisfactory is when it's trying to do a story of the scope of the classic series in terms of length, but squishing it into 45 minutes. 79 00:06:34.500 --> 00:06:38.040 Sometimes that works, but sometimes it's just unsatisfactory. 80 00:06:38.100 --> 00:06:53.279 I think when the new series is spectacular, this, the doctor's wife, for instance, another one notable from this season, it's when it's doing something that the original series never touched because it works in the 45 minute format. 81 00:06:53.339 --> 00:06:58.620 Yeah, you certainly, I think, couldn't do this as a four-parter. 82 00:06:58.680 --> 00:06:59.939 No, it'd be terrible. 83 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:01.139 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 84 00:07:01.199 --> 00:07:01.740 Yeah. 85 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:05.519 This is one of my 3 favourite episodes of the season. 86 00:07:05.579 --> 00:07:12.779 If I don't count the Christmas Carol Christmas special, the other's been the doctor's wife and next week's episode, the gold complex, which I think is extraordinary. 87 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:19.980 But my big question is, like, would you have pushed the green button or the red button, like, like, I just would have normally gone for green. 88 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:23.759 I don't know why, like, you know, like, I just think that's really funny. 89 00:07:23.819 --> 00:07:25.740 And the doctor's coat. 90 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:27.540 This is the 1st time he wears that long coat. 91 00:07:28.139 --> 00:07:30.660 No, he actually wore it. 92 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:32.160 Where did he wear it? 93 00:07:32.220 --> 00:07:34.500 Let's kill Hitler. in Let's kill Hitler. 94 00:07:34.560 --> 00:07:34.920 Yeah, yeah. 95 00:07:34.980 --> 00:07:40.259 Yes, we did have a discussion of it back then and Simon was not a fan, I seem to remember. 96 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:42.180 I love the line of the original. 97 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:45.300 No, Jody wasn't the 1st doctor to go to the op shop. 98 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:46.860 Do you remember Army? 99 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:52.620 Do you remember Army Surplus in the 80s when there was a battalion of students wearing these things? 100 00:07:52.740 --> 00:07:52.920 Yeah. 101 00:07:52.980 --> 00:07:54.899 Yeah, it was definitely a thing. 102 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:57.540 Often roleplaying games, weren't they? 103 00:07:58.500 --> 00:08:01.860 Well, I'm feeling a bit attacked right now. 104 00:08:09.060 --> 00:08:23.160 You mentioned the God complex, Todd, and this is, I think, Nick Curran's 1st episode as director, and he will do the God complex next week, and I think he does an extraordinary job. 105 00:08:23.220 --> 00:08:25.319 He will be back. 106 00:08:25.379 --> 00:08:32.279 I mean, he does the Angels of Manhattan and the Star of the Daleks. and then Dave the Doctor. 107 00:08:32.340 --> 00:08:40.080 And I think all these episodes have the film, the way it's filmed and the locations. 108 00:08:40.139 --> 00:08:41.580 I just, I think he's a great director. 109 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:42.299 I really do. 110 00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:44.100 I can see why he's caught back. 111 00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:58.740 Yeah, the white rooms, which could look really cheesy, and in the classic series, when it sort of attempted to do white rooms to do sort of ultra modern things, the lighting wasn't up to it, and perhaps the people painting the sets weren't as careful as they might have been. 112 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:00.240 And it never... 113 00:09:00.299 --> 00:09:01.500 There'd usually be footprints. 114 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:02.879 That's right. 115 00:09:02.940 --> 00:09:05.039 It never, ever quite comes off. 116 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:07.080 But here I think it's just beautifully done. 117 00:09:07.139 --> 00:09:11.519 And there's an incredible shot actually where the TARDIS is seen through the doors. 118 00:09:11.580 --> 00:09:15.539 So the doors are the 1st thing that Rory sees when the tartar store opens. 119 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:18.000 And they're just sort of perfectly framed. 120 00:09:18.059 --> 00:09:19.919 Like everything is very symmetrical. 121 00:09:19.980 --> 00:09:21.419 Everything is very clinical. 122 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:23.700 And I think it looks amazing. 123 00:09:23.820 --> 00:09:28.379 And just the fact that those buttons are just essentially lift buttons. 124 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:30.419 You know, they're not space buttons or anything like that. 125 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:33.179 They are exactly what we see every day. 126 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:36.059 I think it works really well. 127 00:09:36.120 --> 00:09:49.799 And in scenes where you have, for instance, to Amy speaking to one another, he finds interesting ways of doing that, of, you know, of getting us to see both of their faces, for instance, in those scenes. 128 00:09:49.860 --> 00:09:51.720 He's really extraordinary. 129 00:09:51.779 --> 00:10:01.860 He's responsible for a lot of the look of Sherlock, I think, and it is, I think, a much bigger departure from the way the Doctor Who has been directed before than it seems initially. 130 00:10:02.159 --> 00:10:04.980 I'll just use the word elegant. 131 00:10:05.340 --> 00:10:16.440 I think that's, for me, the word that summarises the style. not showy, it's not over the top, but everything feels like it's placed perfectly. 132 00:10:17.100 --> 00:10:22.139 I mean, there are extraordinary shots though, like and very strange things. 133 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:31.559 I think about, you know, there's a conversation that old Amy has through the Tartar store with Rory, where it almost looks like they're touching, and it is just a sort of strange fade. 134 00:10:31.620 --> 00:10:33.059 There's some wipes. 135 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:40.139 There's all sorts of, you know, things that Doctor Who doesn't normally do, but they're not intrusive. 136 00:10:40.139 --> 00:10:43.080 And yeah, maybe elegant is the right word for it. 137 00:10:43.139 --> 00:10:49.740 Design wise, it's it's actually mannerist, not just with the white gardens, but also with the topia. 138 00:10:49.799 --> 00:10:57.299 It's, there was that period after, anyway, in the 18th century, when everyone was painting their houses, all ivory. 139 00:10:57.360 --> 00:11:06.000 And doing this sort of thing to their gardens, and you're right with the swipes, because there's a, it's a whole period of French cinema that does a very similar thing. 140 00:11:06.059 --> 00:11:16.500 They're very staged shots, you know, right through the, yeah, very composed, very, very studied, assumed and mannered. 141 00:11:16.740 --> 00:11:20.879 These things don't last long as a period of design and interior. 142 00:11:20.940 --> 00:11:25.500 Sorry, Morm did it to the whole Somerset Morm's wife, apparently, did it to the whole thing. 143 00:11:25.500 --> 00:11:27.299 No coward said, everyone looks anaemic. 144 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:28.080 You can't touch a thing. 145 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:32.460 So they didn't laugh, doesn't last long as a design trend. 146 00:11:32.519 --> 00:11:34.379 But it's definitely the style of this. 147 00:11:34.379 --> 00:11:52.379 And that kind of removal that a cinema maker or a filmmaker puts in when you're aware of stylistic qualities of it, I think, really serves this because that little bit of removal, when you're noticing the camera trick, so you're noticing, the position of the camera, you're noticing the subtleties of it. 148 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:54.960 It pulls you away and gives you a moment to breathe. 149 00:11:55.320 --> 00:12:00.960 I think it works really well with this sort of thing when you're encouraged to be so close to the characters. 150 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:06.360 Yeah, I mean, you basically just have the 3 regulars, don't you? 151 00:12:06.419 --> 00:12:09.000 You've got Emelda Staunton as a voice. 152 00:12:09.059 --> 00:12:15.840 You've got the projected woman kind of behind the reception desk, and that's about it, isn't it? 153 00:12:15.899 --> 00:12:18.600 And the hand bots who have no kind of character. 154 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:21.000 I never realised it was a melder. 155 00:12:21.059 --> 00:12:22.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 156 00:12:22.500 --> 00:12:25.679 Yeah, it was only when the closing credits come up, they went, 0 my goodness. 157 00:12:25.740 --> 00:12:31.860 Yeah, well, we had Michael Sheen earlier on this season doing a voiceover and now we have Imelda Staunton doing one. 158 00:12:31.919 --> 00:12:33.419 So it's... 159 00:12:33.419 --> 00:12:34.200 Just like Frasier. 160 00:12:34.259 --> 00:12:37.379 It's a way of getting shoe horning. 161 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:38.100 Yes, that's right. 162 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:44.399 A big name in who might otherwise not have wanted to spend a lot of time in makeup, I think. 163 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:52.139 Obviously, Karen spends a lot of time in makeup. or doesn't, as the case may be. 164 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:58.860 I actually do think that, um, even on a rewatch, um, the prosthetics on her, I just wanted to be a bit older. 165 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:02.220 I mean, I know that sounds incredible to say that. 166 00:13:02.759 --> 00:13:04.740 She's our age. 167 00:13:05.340 --> 00:13:07.799 I think she was thinking that. 168 00:13:11.220 --> 00:13:13.919 I think she looks overdone. 169 00:13:13.980 --> 00:13:15.360 She looks overcooked. 170 00:13:16.259 --> 00:13:18.600 No, I love the prosthetics. 171 00:13:18.659 --> 00:13:23.279 I don't think that high definition is very kind to them, I have to say. 172 00:13:23.340 --> 00:13:29.340 It's very difficult to do that on the budget for the time and to get it all effective, but she also does it. 173 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:38.519 The actress herself does it with the position of her face and the way her expressions and pulling back and obviously you can't emote too much when you've got a face covered in Zygon. 174 00:13:40.919 --> 00:13:43.620 It's funny, maybe I've got lower... 175 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:49.200 Maybe I've got lower standards, but I actually thought that it was really, really good, ageing prosthetic. 176 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:54.840 And also, I'm glad that they didn't age her too much. 177 00:13:54.899 --> 00:14:10.379 Like, it feels, it felt sort of almost understated rather than comedy ageing, and I think that made it more powerful, and probably does allow just touching what Bridges say, probably does allow the actress to emote a little bit more through facial expressions where heavier ageing makeup might prevent that. 178 00:14:10.740 --> 00:14:18.240 I think she's extremely good, and this is obviously her episode to shine. 179 00:14:18.299 --> 00:14:25.200 And I think old Amy is properly different from our Amy. 180 00:14:25.320 --> 00:14:33.120 And it's also fun to see little moments of our Amy break through in that performance. 181 00:14:33.179 --> 00:14:40.500 You know, when she smiles, when she laughs, you know, her 1st laugh in 36 years about the doctor's fares. 182 00:14:40.919 --> 00:14:44.279 And that's a little bit of whiplash, isn't it? 183 00:14:44.340 --> 00:14:57.299 Because we get the relief of seeing that our Amy is still in there, but she immediately has to tell us that she's had a miserable 36 years, sort of straight after that moment, just to kind of make Rory feel worse, I guess. 184 00:14:57.840 --> 00:15:01.259 Yeah, I mean, what do you think of the performance? 185 00:15:01.980 --> 00:15:17.220 I think there's an underlying anger in it, and I actually think her performance is great, and going back to the makeup, I think the makeup distracts me from the performance, like because I wanted, I wanted to be a little bit more than what it actually is, right? 186 00:15:17.279 --> 00:15:21.720 And I can see why that they've, you know, they want her to remote through it. 187 00:15:21.779 --> 00:15:25.860 But I just get distracted by the differences between them. 188 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:26.580 I want. 189 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:35.460 I just visually, I just want it to be a bit more, but I really, truly thought it was a tour de force, Karen, the only criticism I'm going to have her entire performance is her. 190 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:40.320 She's, I don't think she's a natural fighter, and I think, you know, in the fighting sequences. 191 00:15:40.379 --> 00:15:58.500 It's very choreographed, and at times I just think it doesn't look, she doesn't look natural, like it looks like it's more cut together, you know, but I think she's just phenomenal in this episode, really, and, uh, it continues my journey to say that I've reevaluated Karen quite substantially in what she can deliver. 192 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:01.919 The, um, fight sequences are pretty amazing again. 193 00:16:01.980 --> 00:16:18.720 Again, it's that sort of dropped frames and use of sort of speeding up and slowing down and stuff like that to make it kind of a bit artificial again, to give you the distance that Richard was talking about and make it a little bit more visually interesting, I think. 194 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:22.919 What do you do with a ninja cat lady? 195 00:16:22.980 --> 00:16:23.879 for certain years. 196 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:28.799 I do wish there'd been a canine cameos somehow. 197 00:16:28.860 --> 00:16:31.500 It just would have felt right or as a cat. 198 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:32.820 Todd said it. 199 00:16:32.879 --> 00:16:36.179 This works because of Karen, and this was a make or break. 200 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:40.019 The whole thing posits on her ability to sell the performance. 201 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:50.039 But I think when they're also together, you really do see the difference between her normal performance and the older and it's really quiet. 202 00:16:50.100 --> 00:16:50.759 You do, don't you? 203 00:16:50.879 --> 00:16:53.039 The subtleties are really quite extraordinary. 204 00:16:53.100 --> 00:16:57.899 And I think also having Arthur there, because I think he's amazing in this as well. 205 00:16:57.960 --> 00:17:00.360 Um, They shine, yeah. 206 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:03.720 Just about, just to bounce off, you know, really. 207 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:06.119 Like, he allows her to shine. 208 00:17:06.180 --> 00:17:08.279 He's a strength, I think, anyway. 209 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:10.980 Is this a Dr. Light episode? 210 00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:13.079 I think it must be. 211 00:17:13.140 --> 00:17:15.599 I was working trying to work that out when I was watching it last night. 212 00:17:15.660 --> 00:17:21.000 I got that impression because he's basically just in the TARDIS and immediately in the room outside. 213 00:17:21.059 --> 00:17:24.599 So it's it's the sort of semi-light episode. 214 00:17:24.660 --> 00:17:25.500 Yeah, yes. 215 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:32.220 A little bit like Karen in The Lodger, where, you know, you could shoot her stuff in a day. 216 00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:44.099 And so she's sort of not required for most of the episode and everything that's very complicated involves Arthur and Karen and Karen in particular who's got makeup and appears twice in the same scene and stuff like that. 217 00:17:44.220 --> 00:17:47.519 So they keep Matt Smith out of it, a beard. 218 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:49.019 But he's still... 219 00:17:49.019 --> 00:17:49.619 Rightly so. 220 00:17:50.940 --> 00:17:54.119 I think he's very, very good in it though, I have to say. 221 00:17:54.180 --> 00:17:57.420 He takes the attack very well, doesn't he? 222 00:17:57.539 --> 00:17:59.339 It's exactly the right pitch. 223 00:17:59.700 --> 00:18:01.920 He doesn't argue with her. 224 00:18:01.980 --> 00:18:07.380 He knows when to be quiet and when to when to suffer the righteous indignation. 225 00:18:07.859 --> 00:18:12.720 I was really impressed with that scene. you know, when you're on the edge of the sofa. 226 00:18:12.779 --> 00:18:14.880 Don't argue with her, let her speak. 227 00:18:14.940 --> 00:18:16.500 She has every right. 228 00:18:16.559 --> 00:18:18.599 She's carried it so successfully. 229 00:18:18.660 --> 00:18:25.380 John Woodnut didn't have to deal with all of that air galbumin on his face when he was up to up for Broton, you know. 230 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:27.059 Hard work. 231 00:18:27.539 --> 00:18:34.799 If I can just touch on what Todd was saying about Arthur and Rory, I think that that performance is so good. 232 00:18:34.859 --> 00:18:42.059 And one of the things I loved about it was the way it communicates how a relationship can develop over the decades. 233 00:18:42.119 --> 00:18:49.140 You know, having myself now been in a relationship for 22, 23 years. 234 00:18:49.200 --> 00:18:50.339 I'll get into trouble for that later. 235 00:18:50.400 --> 00:18:51.539 Edit that today. 236 00:18:53.819 --> 00:18:57.539 Married legally for 2 of them, but in a relationship for such a long time. 237 00:18:57.599 --> 00:19:07.319 It's amazing how you do see your other half, almost through the same eyes as when you 1st met them, regardless of how much the ageing process changes someone physically. 238 00:19:07.380 --> 00:19:14.519 And, you know, you look at an old photograph and you're reminded, oh my god, that's right. you know, this, this, this bit about them has physically changed. 239 00:19:14.579 --> 00:19:21.299 And so Arthur, well, Rory is able to accept the older Amy in a complete way. 240 00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:35.220 And even at the end when, you know, he's been tricked by the doctor and they are going to leave the old Amy behind, he still has that connection with her as his wife, as his wife of 36 years effectively. 241 00:19:35.279 --> 00:19:38.339 And I think that's just so heartbreaking, I felt. 242 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:46.799 I think it's a great way to spice up everybody's long-term relationships, shove them in a bit of domaru armour and see what comes about. 243 00:19:46.920 --> 00:19:50.220 Or duplicating them in some way. 244 00:19:50.279 --> 00:19:51.839 You don't think. 245 00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:54.180 You want 2 husbands, do you? 246 00:19:54.180 --> 00:19:54.779 Yeah, no. 247 00:19:55.140 --> 00:19:56.819 One's enough. 248 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:30.660 There is that moment, though, isn't there, where, and it's the thing that convinces Amy, old Amy, um, that young Amy really needs to be saved, and she says that it's, you were carrying her, and you were looking at her the way that you used to look at me. 249 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:43.259 And there's, like, I think the most interesting thing about the episode isn't essentially the kind of moral dilemma at the end because that really just happens for space reasons, doesn't it? 250 00:20:43.319 --> 00:20:51.000 Like the only reason we can't have more than one Amy and the TARDIS is because that's a rule we made up. 251 00:20:51.059 --> 00:20:54.720 There's no kind of... 252 00:20:54.720 --> 00:20:57.660 You watched the 5 doctors as well from my memory after that. 253 00:20:58.140 --> 00:21:00.539 I think it's a little bit more than that. 254 00:21:00.599 --> 00:21:02.160 I think it does make a story sense. 255 00:21:02.220 --> 00:21:11.640 I mean, I know it's a space reason that you can't have the older AB coexisting with the young AB having had a separate life, but, you know, I think we're allowed to have that as a space reason. 256 00:21:11.700 --> 00:21:13.619 And I'm glad that, yeah. 257 00:21:13.680 --> 00:21:22.619 And I'm glad, though, that that choice isn't taken away from us by the old Amy being killed or anaesthetised by the robots. 258 00:21:22.619 --> 00:21:23.880 And so she can't get away. 259 00:21:23.940 --> 00:21:28.319 You know, I like the fact that they had to make a choice or the doctor had to close the door on her. 260 00:21:28.380 --> 00:21:29.279 I think that's so powerful. 261 00:21:29.339 --> 00:21:31.980 They do a fake out though, don't they? 262 00:21:32.099 --> 00:21:33.180 Just before the end of it. 263 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:46.559 We see her fighting the robots and then Rory sort of runs off with Amy before she's sort of anaesthetized and we think that that's going to be old Amy sacrifices herself nobly so that her younger counterpart and Rory can get away. 264 00:21:46.619 --> 00:21:48.539 And that isn't a thing. 265 00:21:48.599 --> 00:21:51.599 And I also really like too. 266 00:21:51.720 --> 00:22:02.039 Um, I like the fact that we are told by Matt's misperformance that he's lying to Rory. 267 00:22:02.099 --> 00:22:11.160 And it is just when he just shakes his head subtly when we talk about the prospect of bringing them both back. 268 00:22:11.220 --> 00:22:17.880 And then he's really kind of playing it straight and he, you know, like, we don't know what the rules are. 269 00:22:17.940 --> 00:22:24.420 We know probably that they're not going to get Karen to be 2 Karens and put on ageing makeup and stuff for the rest of the season. 270 00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:26.579 We know that's probably not going to happen. 271 00:22:26.640 --> 00:22:41.339 But, you know, when he starts to talk about the prospect of rescuing them both, and he comes up with all of this sort of techno babble, why it might work, we already know that he's not telling the truth. 272 00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:46.920 I can now pick that up in hindsight, but I confess I didn't pick that up while watching it. 273 00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:51.720 Yeah, there's a little moment, yeah, where he shakes his head when they're discussing the prospect of it. 274 00:22:51.779 --> 00:22:55.259 You know, I think Rory might be asking, is it possible? 275 00:22:55.319 --> 00:23:01.380 And we just see a shot of Matt looking at that screen and just subtly shaking his head. 276 00:23:01.440 --> 00:23:03.359 There's no reason why. 277 00:23:03.420 --> 00:23:06.000 Yeah, but there's no reason why, I mean, they couldn't have done it. 278 00:23:06.059 --> 00:23:09.900 I mean, they could have dropped the old Amy in a parallel universe like they did with the other David Tennant. 279 00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:10.380 I mean, you know. 280 00:23:10.619 --> 00:23:11.039 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 281 00:23:11.099 --> 00:23:16.200 She could have ended up on the planet Kolkakron, which is my favourite place for dropping people off. 282 00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:20.819 Is that where the garage gets dropped off? 283 00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:22.799 It is where... 284 00:23:26.339 --> 00:23:31.319 Yeah, I mean, they could have done that, but then you lose the kind of thing at the end. 285 00:23:31.380 --> 00:23:46.559 But I actually think what is more interesting is the way that Amy convinces the other Amy to rescue, you know, the old Amy is absolutely adamant that she's not going to permit it to happen. 286 00:23:46.619 --> 00:23:53.039 She's had the conversation as the young Amy before and it didn't turn out that way. 287 00:23:53.099 --> 00:23:55.980 And so she decides. 288 00:23:56.099 --> 00:24:00.299 And it's it's Rory is the entire reason for it. 289 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:04.140 You know, this is an episode more than Amy's choice. 290 00:24:04.200 --> 00:24:08.460 I think that it is about Amy's relationship with Rory. 291 00:24:14.579 --> 00:24:19.440 Todd, you were saying before, that this is one of your favourites of the season. 292 00:24:19.500 --> 00:24:25.140 It's actually my it is my favourite of the season, and I'm surprised, you know, myself to say it as a fan. 293 00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:27.000 What made it work for you? 294 00:24:27.059 --> 00:24:43.380 Well, I think Karen is that good, but I also, I think Arthur and Rory's journey, his relationship with the wife and all this relationship with the doctor is very defined in this, you know, he, especially at the end where, you know, he's quite angry at the doctor for turning. 295 00:24:43.440 --> 00:24:46.619 You're turning me into you and he doesn't want that. 296 00:24:46.680 --> 00:24:49.859 And I think it underlines their relationship all the way through. 297 00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:53.940 He's there with Amy, but not really with the doctor. 298 00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:55.799 Like, it's always Amy for him. 299 00:24:55.859 --> 00:25:07.980 Um, I think throughout his entire run, really, in the show, um, and he obviously has a respect for the doctor in the end, but it's never, they're never like, you know, it's never the doctor in just roaring. 300 00:25:08.039 --> 00:25:08.819 Do you know what I'm saying? 301 00:25:09.359 --> 00:25:19.200 And I think he looks wonderful, like, with his Rory Cam and having the big magnifying glass, like his, like, um, um, Indiana Jones or whatever. 302 00:25:19.259 --> 00:25:26.940 And then we've also got that, we've got the robot Rory, which is so cute and and, uh, yeah, sit down, Rory. 303 00:25:28.500 --> 00:25:38.039 My favourite beat is where they're sort of hugging or crying or something and robot Rory just sort of turns, turns away to give them a little bit of privacy. 304 00:25:38.099 --> 00:25:39.539 I think that's sort of gorgeous. 305 00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:42.420 That's actually super telling, isn't it? 306 00:25:42.480 --> 00:25:51.059 Because she's initially really hostile to Rory, and it looks like calling the robot Rory is dismissive, and she even refers to him as her pet. 307 00:25:51.480 --> 00:26:02.940 And that's always this sort of ugly suspicion we have about the relationship is that Amy just bosses Rory around and treats him really kind of terribly and stuff like that. 308 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:06.960 But it absolutely establishes that that's not what the relationship is at all. 309 00:26:07.259 --> 00:26:15.240 I think that's one of the things here is that what you've just said, you think that's where it's going, but then it actually doesn't go there. 310 00:26:15.299 --> 00:26:28.500 Like it actually shows you, And emphatically how much she loves him and their relationship, whereas there's other episodes that make you frustrated because it's like, you're treating him like dirt and you're not showing me that you really love him. 311 00:26:28.559 --> 00:26:30.359 But here I think it really does. 312 00:26:30.420 --> 00:26:41.880 It's also, I think, an acknowledgement that, and I think there has to be some sort of acknowledgement that there's going to be some sort of resentment, that she's been left there for decades, uh, left behind, as it were, again. 313 00:26:41.940 --> 00:26:49.259 And so I think, you're right, Told, it communicates at warmly, but I think it also has that slight little, just enough little edge there, just to communicate. 314 00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:50.579 Yes, there is some level of resentment. 315 00:26:50.819 --> 00:27:05.099 It sits uncomfortably in a season, well, nostalgically in a season where it feels like Philip Hinchcliffe is back. giving our heroin just the right amount of dush that he gave Sarah Jane. 316 00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:08.400 I really want what's going to happen to her next week should be stuck in a bucket. 317 00:27:08.460 --> 00:27:10.440 Forced to be in a swamp. 318 00:27:10.500 --> 00:27:15.539 She has had a bad time and this is another... 319 00:27:15.539 --> 00:27:18.119 She has to go and save her again. 320 00:27:18.180 --> 00:27:19.019 Not a great year. 321 00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:20.039 Yeah. 322 00:27:20.099 --> 00:27:20.940 Yeah. 323 00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:36.059 We talked a little bit in last week's episode about how that plot thread about the abduction of Amy's daughter has kind of gone dormant, and it was for obvious reasons last week, and clearly we don't want to deal with it this week either. 324 00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:39.420 But it will obviously be back in a few weeks time. 325 00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:41.579 The other thing with its episode. 326 00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:53.940 I guess the reason why I'm really liking it this time through is because I think maybe the 1st time or through, I was just unsure, whether I really liked it as much as I did, because for me, it came on the back of a string of episodes which I don't like. 327 00:27:53.940 --> 00:27:55.380 Like, I don't like the gang of stuff. 328 00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:57.779 I don't like the 2 Stephen Moffatt episodes with River. 329 00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:00.660 I mean, there's some clever stuff in there, but I don't think they hang together. 330 00:28:00.660 --> 00:28:02.759 And I really detest last week's episode. 331 00:28:02.819 --> 00:28:03.299 Sorry. 332 00:28:03.660 --> 00:28:06.779 And then you've got the pirate one. 333 00:28:06.779 --> 00:28:09.660 And it's just like besides the doctor's wife. 334 00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:11.640 Like, this is suddenly a really good episode. 335 00:28:11.700 --> 00:28:15.779 So sometimes I'm a bit sort of like, is it because I've been so down on things. 336 00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:18.119 Is this shining because of that? 337 00:28:18.180 --> 00:28:19.980 But I don't think so. 338 00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:25.140 I'm really, really think it just is a beautiful shining beacon of life. 339 00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:26.220 You know? 340 00:28:26.940 --> 00:28:37.920 And I felt that from sort of the moment it starts, there's something about the way it kicks off, which establishes this terrible sense of foreboding. 341 00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:45.119 When she presses and we touched on it earlier, you know, Todd, why would you press the red button, why would you press the green button? 342 00:28:45.180 --> 00:28:54.779 But as soon as she presses the red waterfall, you know something is going to go wrong and it's going to be an irrevocable decision. 343 00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:57.119 That's made as soon as she walks through that door. 344 00:28:57.180 --> 00:29:08.099 And it's established when then Rory tries to come back and walk through the red anchor door. you know, it doesn't work and that's kind of reinforced when, you know, after we've established that Amy's timeline is moving at a far, faster rate. 345 00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:25.200 They go back to the TARDIS and this, you know, 80s bedside digital clock radio is clicking over at this absolutely rapid rate and it just makes me, that sort of time disappearing like that, just makes me sick to my stomach every time I watch it. 346 00:29:25.259 --> 00:29:27.240 It's so subtle. but so disturbing. 347 00:29:28.380 --> 00:29:32.279 Simon, did you think of, I was trying to remember the title? 348 00:29:32.579 --> 00:29:34.799 elevated to the gala? 349 00:29:34.859 --> 00:29:37.680 less, uh, Asansurp or Lesher? 350 00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:38.640 Oh, I'm not familiar with that, sorry. 351 00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:39.960 Anyway, it's Louis Mal. 352 00:29:40.019 --> 00:29:46.799 It's that French film where illicit lovers become trapped in an elevator and there's a murder plot. 353 00:29:46.859 --> 00:29:48.960 Miles Davis did the score. 354 00:29:49.019 --> 00:29:51.900 It's a beautiful piece of new wave cinema. 355 00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:56.759 And there are some nods to that in this in the way the shots are composed. 356 00:29:56.819 --> 00:30:01.019 So there's lots of, there's lots of great cred and history in this. 357 00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:02.460 This isn't an accidental episode. 358 00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:13.559 I'm with Todd when he says, this just feels artfully done, whereas all the others feel like a panic response to having to do some wild story arcs and get some drama in. 359 00:30:13.619 --> 00:30:17.160 This is real drama because it's about the relationship of 2 people. 360 00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:31.259 And and that thing about choice, you know, um, There's a story about human nature where in the original novel, Paul Cornell makes the, you know, the little, instead of a watch. 361 00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:32.819 It's a cricket ball, I think. 362 00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:37.079 And it's Russell's decision to make it a watch because you can decide to open it. 363 00:30:37.140 --> 00:30:43.680 And so you can physically see a decision being made just by a prop. 364 00:30:43.740 --> 00:30:46.019 And then that thing where you have 2 buttons. 365 00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:48.720 There's no reason to prefer one over the other. 366 00:30:48.779 --> 00:30:54.000 You just pick one at random and just the consequences of that are so great. 367 00:30:54.059 --> 00:31:07.380 And we've seen a hint of it in aliens of London, of all things, where, you know, the doctor sets the Tartars a bit wrong and suddenly 18 months have passed and, you know, Jackie's life has been kind of ruined and all of that. 368 00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:11.519 And just the sort of the momentous nature of what the doctor does. 369 00:31:11.579 --> 00:31:22.859 And I adore that speech where Rory shouts at him and says, you think you could get a history book out and just find out whether there's a global pandemic on the planet that we're about to land. 370 00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:30.359 You know, the doctors, the doctor's incredible kind of casual disregard of things. 371 00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:41.279 And, and the way that, um, the way that time travel in this era is able to have these sort of incredible bizarre consequences. 372 00:31:41.339 --> 00:31:52.799 So just magnifying that tiny binary choice into this sort of 36 year nightmare just because you press the wrong button. 373 00:31:52.859 --> 00:31:55.440 It's really terrifically interesting, I think. 374 00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:17.579 Amy's very, uh, skilled because she's managed to make a sonic probe as well. 375 00:32:17.700 --> 00:32:18.660 Yes. 376 00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:20.400 I mean, is she really, is she really that good? 377 00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:24.539 And reprogramming the interface as well. 378 00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:25.799 She manages to do that somehow. 379 00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:28.619 And not eat, as you've said. 380 00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:35.099 There's a few little things here that I find very Star Treky that you sort of, you gloss over those things or they're in there and that's fine. 381 00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:37.380 You know, it's probably why it's not my favourite of the season. 382 00:32:37.980 --> 00:32:47.819 I like the Sonic Pro because it is used as a character thing because she calls it a sonic probe, not a sonic screwdriver, because she hates the doctor. 383 00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:52.319 And then she eventually grudgingly admits that it is a Sonic screwdriver. 384 00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:56.640 This is exactly how I wanted the 13th doctor to be portrayed. 385 00:32:56.940 --> 00:32:59.880 A really sort of samurai style. 386 00:32:59.940 --> 00:33:07.200 Commodionly and slightly furious with the world and there's probably a cat there somewhere, probably a whole troop of them. 387 00:33:07.259 --> 00:33:12.420 But yes, and a nice nod to the 6th doctor's sonic probe there too. 388 00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:15.359 What do we think of the threat? 389 00:33:15.420 --> 00:33:17.220 What do we think of the handbots? 390 00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:21.720 love it Especially when you encounter the secondary injection system. 391 00:33:21.779 --> 00:33:23.160 With all of them? 392 00:33:23.220 --> 00:33:25.079 That is so good. 393 00:33:25.140 --> 00:33:28.740 Yeah, yeah, that looks properly terrifying. 394 00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:30.779 Because I mean, they're kind of ludicrous. 395 00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:36.180 You just need to, they're another sort of Doctor Who monster that you can stroll briskly away from. 396 00:33:36.779 --> 00:33:43.380 And I guess it's just the sort of numbers of them that teleport in and kind of block your path and stuff. 397 00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:53.039 But that secondary injection system, which just looks like a sort of big Dalek gun coming out of a face with these teeth, like, you know, like it's so incredibly great. 398 00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:56.220 And designed that. 399 00:33:56.279 --> 00:34:07.079 Who in the, who was part of the medical fraternity of this, of this relaxation kindness hostice was thinking, how can we... 400 00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:10.139 What about tourist numbers, you know? 401 00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:18.300 It does add to the whole sinister nature of it, because remember, the robots aren't actually there to deliberately try and kill or harm her. 402 00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:19.739 It's a kindness. 403 00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:25.199 And as the doctor says, their kindness will kill you because, you know, she's of a different of a different species. 404 00:34:25.260 --> 00:34:34.920 It goes back to what I was trying to say about the let's kill Hitler things when we were doing that episode, the like the, you know, the antibody amoeba things in the test select or whatever it was called. 405 00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:46.980 The catchphrase that they would having was so obvious and basic, this one is, you know, this is a kindness. 406 00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:47.940 Do not be alarmed. 407 00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:49.860 It's the exact opposite of that. 408 00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:57.420 It's an actual nice thing to say, but it's so threatening and menacing because you know that the kindness will kill her. 409 00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:02.099 And this is what I was trying to say during the Let's Kill Hitler episode, that it was all a bit too obvious, right? 410 00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:05.699 Whereas this has got that extra layer in it, which makes it so much more interesting. 411 00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:07.019 No, I agree. 412 00:35:07.260 --> 00:35:20.400 There's something towards the end as well where it sort of takes on a secondary meaning too, as if releasing Amy from 36 years of her kind of torment and stuff like that. 413 00:35:20.460 --> 00:35:31.800 The sort of results of that just random decision that she made, releasing her from the sort of torment of that, is accompanied by the idea that they're doing her a kindness. 414 00:35:31.860 --> 00:35:35.820 So I think it does sort of take on a secondary meaning. 415 00:35:36.300 --> 00:36:03.719 Something that I really like about this is that there's elements of this that come back into play, perhaps in season 10, like the whole, the room full of all the doors that Amy has to go through reminds me of Bill and Nardo having the room full of different, um, uh, doors in that trilogy episode, and obviously we get the magnificent garden where Missy is, um, and, uh, Is that the same location, is it? 416 00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:04.619 Yeah. 417 00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:07.440 And also some of the dialogue, like, I was waiting. 418 00:36:07.500 --> 00:36:08.219 I waited. 419 00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:09.059 I waited for you. 420 00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:13.800 This is something that Stephen will bring back with Bill very much later on. 421 00:36:13.860 --> 00:36:23.400 There's this little, there's this little moments in here for me having obviously, you know, watched so far ahead that they just sort of take back or rework, you know, later on, just little elements. 422 00:36:23.460 --> 00:36:24.420 And I kind of like that. 423 00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:28.559 It's sort of like, oh, wow, you've referenced this or whether you know it or not. 424 00:36:28.619 --> 00:36:36.239 It's come back into play because it's something that's sort of in your subconscious and that sort of, I just think underlines how good it is perhaps, you know? 425 00:36:36.300 --> 00:36:36.780 Yeah. 426 00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:41.579 I mean, it's that Moffat thing of the timing, whiminess once again. 427 00:36:41.639 --> 00:36:46.739 I mean, I know it's not a Moffat written story, but, you know, it's in the Moffat showrunner era. 428 00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:48.119 The long way round. 429 00:36:48.179 --> 00:37:06.300 Moffatt loves to play with the aspect of time, which is damaging, which is awful, which, you know, so the long way round in the girl in the fireplace, you know, Rory takes the long way round by being the centurion for 1900 years, whatever it is. 430 00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:08.519 You've got Capaldi Laser in heaven sent. 431 00:37:08.579 --> 00:37:18.900 As you sort of mentioned, Todd, these themes keep coming up again and again, and each time they come up, they're usually somewhat terrifying. 432 00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:24.000 In fact, even the way Amy and Rory are written out of the program, have that aspect as well. 433 00:37:24.059 --> 00:37:29.519 It's actually incredibly uncomfortable the more you think about it and that's why I think it's great. 434 00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:33.659 I really think, um, I totally agree with you, Simon there. 435 00:37:33.719 --> 00:37:35.639 But I just think some of the dialogue. 436 00:37:35.699 --> 00:37:39.119 Like, you know, besides, you know, I waited, I waited for you and other things that we've mentioned. 437 00:37:39.179 --> 00:37:41.579 But, you know, Rory is the most beautiful man. 438 00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:44.880 I'd ever met, or, you know, I'm giving her the days with you. 439 00:37:44.940 --> 00:37:47.940 These lines are so affecting, I think. 440 00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:55.260 And I think underline a bit of their exit, spoiler alert, at the end of next week. 441 00:37:55.320 --> 00:38:14.940 Like, you know, there is a little bit of, I think, underlining buildup that they can accept that maybe it is time to move on because these things keep happening, these bad things and they get, we're always having to save Amy again and she's had to go through all this and we've had the whole river, daughter saga and everything that she's been put through this season. 442 00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:26.039 So I actually find that, although it's perhaps not specifically flag posted, I think there is an underlying current here, which helps, I think, build to the end of next week as well, I just think anyway, with their characters. 443 00:38:26.099 --> 00:38:28.980 And the possibility of moving on from the doctor. 444 00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:40.860 You know, there is that central scene, which I alluded to before, where the 2 Amys are speaking and young Amy is trying to convince old Amy to save her. 445 00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:44.639 And the whole conversation is around Rory. 446 00:38:44.699 --> 00:38:51.960 Um, And it's, it's shot so that we can see both of them at the same time. 447 00:38:52.019 --> 00:38:55.019 We can watch them react to one another. 448 00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:59.039 And it's another pivotal speech because it's another choice. 449 00:38:59.099 --> 00:39:03.420 You know, it's like Amy's choice between the 2 buttons at the beginning. 450 00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:13.440 It's a choice that's played out and presumably has continued to play out circularly as a result of this whole sort of weird paradox thing. 451 00:39:13.500 --> 00:39:16.739 You know, it's happened over and over again, young and old Amy talk. 452 00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:29.400 And this time, she is broken out of it by Rory, you know, looking over at Rory and saying, do you want to deny him those years with you? 453 00:39:29.460 --> 00:39:37.260 Um, and even the point where they, you know, they come together at the end and they have to think one thing. 454 00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:42.000 They have to have one thought together and it's the Macarena. 455 00:39:42.059 --> 00:39:51.059 They're doing the Macarena and you think, oh, there's some zany, wacky Doctor Who nonsense that's just, just a few years out of dates as usual. 456 00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:55.980 But then it turns out that that was that was where their 1st kiss happened. 457 00:39:56.039 --> 00:40:02.579 You know, even that ends up being about their love for Rory and their relationship with Rory. 458 00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:14.880 And in a season where, you know, we've seen her sort of play hide and seek with him and run off or dismiss him for being gay or all of that sort of thing, it is actually really great that that love is so central and so apparent. 459 00:40:14.940 --> 00:40:15.840 I think in this episode. 460 00:40:28.619 --> 00:40:32.639 I just found this episode such an easy episode to watch. 461 00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:39.420 I know that sounds ridiculous, but I've just had weeks and weeks of not finding it easy to watch episodes. 462 00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:51.179 Like I find them hard slogs or just totally mind confusing or whatever or just, but I just found it just played out and I just, Let it wash over me and I just loved it so much. 463 00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:55.440 I was just happy they turned the lights on for once. 464 00:40:56.579 --> 00:40:59.039 Especially now the last one. 465 00:40:59.099 --> 00:41:01.019 Eventually that does get to you, doesn't it? 466 00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:13.139 I think the thing about this episode is that it just to echo what Todd was saying is that it's so easy to watch, but I think it's so easy to watch because it's all on the on the right level, but it's all on the on the same level. 467 00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:19.380 It's not, there's nothing about it which is confused and despite the timey, wimey elements. 468 00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:22.019 I don't really feel that there's anything about it which is confusing. 469 00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:25.920 The visual style is so impactful. 470 00:41:25.980 --> 00:41:28.920 And just going back to the toperi in the garden. 471 00:41:28.980 --> 00:41:40.320 I mean, just, just the Dr. Seussness of it, is just a lovely little thing just to say we are on an alien planet without having stupid space things everywhere. 472 00:41:40.380 --> 00:41:45.780 You know, you only need a little bit to communicate that you're somewhere else and somewhere different. 473 00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:55.260 And so that's why I think that it is such a good episode because everyone seems to be working towards the same goal and everyone gets to that goal. 474 00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:55.679 Very much so. 475 00:42:23.280 --> 00:42:26.519 Well, they listener, that's all we have time for this week. 476 00:42:26.579 --> 00:42:32.820 We'll be back next week to confront our greatest cheers, again, in the God complex. 477 00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:53.039 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts, and you can keep up with us at Flight Through Entirety on Facebook at FTE podcast on Twitter and on our website, FlightthroughEntirety.com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger, Jody InterTara, maximum power, and Untitled Star Trek Project. 478 00:42:53.099 --> 00:42:59.280 Until next time, May, all the bacteria you're carrying be properly registered and authorised. 479 00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:01.500 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 480 00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:03.000 See you soon. 481 00:43:03.059 --> 00:43:04.019 Bye for now. 482 00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:04.860 Good night. 483 00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:15.119 That was Flight Through Entirety, starring Todd Bealby, Nathan Bottomley, Simon Moore, and Richard Stone. 484 00:43:15.179 --> 00:43:17.519 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb. 485 00:43:17.579 --> 00:43:24.000 This episode, the word elegant, was recorded on the 29th of August 2021 and released on the 21st of November. 486 00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:37.860 If you want to recreate the experience of 36 years alone without having a sandwich or going to the toilet, and I recommend visiting the planet Earth in the year 2020. 487 00:43:38.099 --> 00:43:41.159 Might be a good idea to get your shots first. 488 00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:48.900 I just need to drop in a little bit of trivia. 489 00:43:48.900 --> 00:43:49.679 Do this. 490 00:43:49.800 --> 00:44:10.260 For those of you who, uh, like Wentworth or have watched Wentworth and, you know, a friend of the podcast, Pete McTie, the girl who waited is one of the nods to Doctor Who he gave to an episode title, I think it was the 3rd episode, uh, Wentworth, and he called the girl who waited, and um, others being fear her and hell bent. 491 00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:13.619 I know that has to be mentioned. 492 00:44:13.860 --> 00:44:16.800 Surely there was a love and monsters as well. 493 00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:21.659 If there wasn't, they certainly shouldn't have. 494 00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:25.619 Had a gunfighters, I hope. 495 00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:27.599 Yeah, well. 496 00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:29.579 Prison in space. 497 00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:35.722 But I think the thing about this episode is that it just to echo...